Why Are Hillary Clinton and Jimmy Kimmel Trying to Kill Alex Jones?

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Courtesy of Right Wing Watch: Alex Jones: Hillary Clinton And Jimmy Kimmel Are Trying To Kill Me!

The Trump campaign is closely connected to Jones. Trump himself has appeared on Jones’s batshit crazy conspiracy show, his adviser Roger Stone is a frequent guest, and Trump’s son Donald Trump Jr. often tweets links to Alex Jones’s website. This is a guy who has the ear of the Republican Party’s candidate for president of the United States, folks.

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Stanley Sea  Aug 29, 2016 • 7:43:43pm

I believe Jr. linked again today.

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Shiplord Kirel  Aug 29, 2016 • 7:48:25pm

Don’t know if Hillary could pull it off, but if Kimmel wanted someone dead, they would be dead.
//

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Big Beautiful Door  Aug 29, 2016 • 7:48:34pm

Was that a threat of violence by Jones at the end of that?

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GlutenFreeJesus  Aug 29, 2016 • 7:49:56pm

P.S. Rich athletes have no standing to protest against racism.

My Facebook is so informative tonight.

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Stanley Sea  Aug 29, 2016 • 7:51:40pm

Read this thread, the NYT’s take on Huma & Hillary’s failings.

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Stanley Sea  Aug 29, 2016 • 7:54:37pm

Another Gator I follow on twitter is at Def Leppard. Her feed will be better than this shit.

GAH

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(((The Engineer Lobuno)))  Aug 29, 2016 • 8:00:07pm

That’s the brilliance of Kimmel and Clinton’s plan! Now they force people to take the pickle jar test, and, the effort combined with the chemtrails from the air, can kill a delicate man like Jones!

// Sorry, I couldn’t tie more conspiracy theories in my sleepiness state. Given enough time, someone can tie the Illuminati.

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Stanley Sea  Aug 29, 2016 • 8:01:12pm
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FormerDirtDart  Aug 29, 2016 • 8:04:15pm
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mr.fusion  Aug 29, 2016 • 8:11:47pm

Any time I hear Alex Jones start a story with “I was told by a genetic engineer,” I’m like…..”alright, I’m totally in…let’s do this”

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ramex  Aug 29, 2016 • 8:12:46pm

Operation Bowl of Nuts

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Big Beautiful Door  Aug 29, 2016 • 8:14:39pm

re: #9 FormerDirtDart

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Of course he didn’t take Trump seriously on immigration; a bullshitter knows bullshit when he hears it.

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Stanley Sea  Aug 29, 2016 • 8:20:27pm

You may have seen this already

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Stanley Sea  Aug 29, 2016 • 8:20:58pm

re: #12 Big Beautiful Door

Of course he didn’t take Trump seriously on immigration; a bullshitter knows bullshit when he hears it.

But Trump’s brownshirts? They confused.

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Joe Bacon  Aug 29, 2016 • 8:22:29pm

Criswell Bacon Predicts that Alex Jones and Rush Limbaugh buy from the same Oxycontin Dealer!

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teleskiguy  Aug 29, 2016 • 8:23:12pm
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Charles Johnson  Aug 29, 2016 • 8:24:41pm
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Joe Bacon  Aug 29, 2016 • 8:25:52pm

I have such love for the folks at the BBC because they smacked Alex Jones right in the ol’ Tropic of Capricorn!

Something that the stenographers who masquerade as American “journalists” would never think of doing!

Alex Jones blasts at the BBC One Sunday Politics

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majii  Aug 29, 2016 • 8:39:36pm

re: #14 Stanley Sea

“But Trump’s brownshirts? They confused.”

The important question is, “When are they not confused?” I read a great article about why some on the right vote against their best interests at Alternet years ago. The writer noted that many of them are poorly educated and depend on others to explain the world to them. I think Rupert Murdoch and Roger Ailes noticed this and acted on it when Fox News began operating in 1996, which is why I think that so many on the right today believe things that are not true. This has trickled down to GOP politicians who also parrot Fox News talking points. Some of them are well-educated, but I think they’re too lazy to think for themselves, so they do what Trump does—-they turn on Fox News to have complex issues explained to them in bumper-sticker language.

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Lidane  Aug 29, 2016 • 8:40:48pm

I can think of three reasons why this will be an epic dumpster fire:

1. It’s Rick Perry.
2. It’s Rick Perry.
3. Uh…um…

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jaunte  Aug 29, 2016 • 8:41:28pm

re: #16 teleskiguy

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teleskiguy  Aug 29, 2016 • 8:42:37pm
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Stanley Sea  Aug 29, 2016 • 8:43:27pm

re: #20 Lidane

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I can think of three reasons why this will be an epic dumpster fire:

1. It’s Rick Perry.
2. It’s Rick Perry.
3. Uh…um…

Sister Sarah loves his ass.

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Targetpractice  Aug 29, 2016 • 8:43:33pm

I consider it absolutely amazing how, in 8 years, we went from conservatives blowing off Alex Jones to even the more “reasonable” ones going “He might be on to something.” God only knows where we’ll be in another 8 years.

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Stanley Sea  Aug 29, 2016 • 8:44:09pm

re: #22 teleskiguy

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Lidane  Aug 29, 2016 • 8:47:11pm

When I first moved to Austin in the 90s, Alex Jones was a raving nutcase with a public access TV show. Now he’s a raving nutcase who speaks to the Republican nominee on the regular. WTF.

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Targetpractice  Aug 29, 2016 • 8:55:14pm

re: #26 Lidane

When I first moved to Austin in the 90s, Alex Jones was a raving nutcase with a public access TV show. Now he’s a raving nutcase who speaks to the Republican nominee on the regular. WTF.

We are through the looking glass.

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Khal Wimpo (no longer entitled to his own facts)  Aug 29, 2016 • 9:00:31pm

re: #27 Targetpractice

We are through the looking glass.

The RWNJs have spent 30 years in a bubble, where they were told that they were the guardians of All Truth And Light, and that if they just voted for the sharp-toothed grifters to cut taxes on the rich, that all would be right with the world, and rainbow-farting unicorns would bring stable blue-collar jobs and endless cases of Budweiser to their doorsteps.

30 years later, they have the suspicion that they’ve been lied to, because none of the goodies they were promised ever showed up.

But rather than affix blame to themselves and the choices they’ve made, they prefer to sink deep into dark and complex conspiracies. Alex Jones is perfect for this.

Read the end of “Wisconsin Death Trip.” The farmers back in the late 1800s became paranoid-delusional-murderous, because they finally figured out that the promises that had been made to them - that their hard work and sacrifice would be rewarded - were lies.

All lies.

They reacted with nihilistic violence and murderous rampages.

See: what happens after Hilary is elected.

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whitebeach  Aug 29, 2016 • 9:01:07pm

re: #24 Targetpractice

I consider it absolutely amazing how, in 8 years, we went from conservatives blowing off Alex Jones to even the more “reasonable” ones going “He might be on to something.” God only knows where we’ll be in another 8 years.

“Chief Justice Jones, please explain for our viewers your decision that, under the Constitution, Senator Rubio can declare himself president for life even though he lost the election by forty points?”

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teleskiguy  Aug 29, 2016 • 9:03:44pm
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KGxvi  Aug 29, 2016 • 9:21:07pm

re: #5 Stanley Sea

Read this thread, the NYT’s take on Huma & Hillary’s failings.

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That is what is classically known as a paradox, a Catch-22, a rock and a hard place, damned if you do and damned if you don’t… see, if Hillary would have left Bill in 1997 or Huma left Weiner in 2011*, they’d not have been praised for being strong independent women, they would have been criticized for not taking their marriage vows seriously and trying to work it out; but since they stayed and tried to work it out, they are criticized for not being strong independent women.

*I posted this earlier, but it works again:

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Stanley Sea  Aug 29, 2016 • 9:22:56pm

re: #31 KGxvi

That is what is classically known as a paradox, a Catch-22, a rock and a hard place, damned if you do and damned if you don’t… see, if Hillary would have left Bill in 1997 or Huma left Weiner in 2011*, they’d not have been praised for being strong independent women, they would have been criticized for not taking their marriage vows seriously and trying to work it out; but since they stayed and tried to work it out, they are criticized for not being strong independent women.

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Boiling down to Women are treated differently than Men.

It shows, every single day.

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KGxvi  Aug 29, 2016 • 9:24:50pm

re: #9 FormerDirtDart

Of course Limbaugh didn’t take Trump seriously when he said he’d deport 10 million people. Limbaugh hasn’t taken anything he’s said himself seriously in 20 years. I’m fairly convinced Limbaugh isn’t a true believer in anything other than himself and the number of commas in his paycheck - so it would shock me in no way if he didn’t believe a third of the shit he says, let alone what someone else says.

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Stanley Sea  Aug 29, 2016 • 9:26:14pm

He fucked around on his wives. Cheated on each to get to the next.

No prob! GOP candidate for President 2016.

But you women, how in the hell did you let your man stray?

We still live in such a patriarchal society. No one sees this for what it is.

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KGxvi  Aug 29, 2016 • 9:29:55pm

re: #32 Stanley Sea

Boiling down to Women are treated differently than Men.

It shows, every single day.

Perhaps, though I think these cases are mostly about politics and the idea that you criticize your political opponents regardless of what they do. I think in the context of relationships and cheating spouses/significant others, we’ve reached a point as a society where we accept (and even applaud) the cheatee leaving the cheater and are confused by those who stay (30 years ago, it would have been the opposite). And I really don’t think it makes much of a difference which partner cheated. But I’m typically not one to judge people I don’t know (I’ve had some people close to me be the cheatee and as a result there needed to be a third person in the room with me and the cheater at all times, but that’s a story for another time), so if they choose to try and work it out, good for them, and if they choose to go their separate ways, good for them.

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Targetpractice  Aug 29, 2016 • 9:34:20pm

re: #35 KGxvi

Perhaps, though I think these cases are mostly about politics and the idea that you criticize your political opponents regardless of what they do. I think in the context of relationships and cheating spouses/significant others, we’ve reached a point as a society where we accept (and even applaud) the cheatee leaving the cheater and are confused by those who stay (30 years ago, it would have been the opposite). And I really don’t think it makes much of a difference which partner cheated. But I’m typically not one to judge people I don’t know (I’ve had some people close to me be the cheatee and as a result there needed to be a third person in the room with me and the cheater at all times, but that’s a story for another time), so if they choose to try and work it out, good for them, and if they choose to go their separate ways, good for them.

That’s where we are as a society, but not where we are in terms of politics. When a Republican man is found to have been screwing around behind his wife’s back, protocol is she stands there on stage with a blank face while he tearfully asks for her forgiveness, which she’s expected to give without fail. Meanwhile, if a Democrat man is found to have cheated on his wife, then his political career is immediately deemed over. She’s expected to leave him and if she chooses to work through it, it’s viewed as being purely politics and she’s somehow failed as a “strong woman” by failing to kick his ass to the curb.

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BeenHereAwhile  Aug 29, 2016 • 9:35:11pm

re: #27 Targetpractice

We are through the looking glass.

Slow glass.

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The Ghost of a Flea  Aug 29, 2016 • 9:40:07pm

re: #27 Targetpractice

We are through the looking glass.

Not so much the looking glass as a glass of a batch of especially methanol-y bathtub absinthe.

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Targetpractice  Aug 29, 2016 • 9:41:27pm

Consider the two cases of Anthony Weiner and Mark Sanford.

When Weiner couldn’t deny the sexting allegations any longer, he immediately announced his resignation from office. His political career has pretty much been, if not dead, then on life support ever since. There’s no way in Hell that anybody would seriously consider electing him back to Congress, let alone the presidency.

Meanwhile, Mark Sanford got caught banging a mistress in another country and on the state dime. He refused to resign from the governorship and instead begged the public’s forgiveness for his actions. Then he went on to win a seat in Congress and has been there ever since.

“Family values,” my ass.

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teleskiguy  Aug 29, 2016 • 9:41:33pm

re: #38 The Ghost of a Flea

Not so much the looking glass as a glass of a batch of especially methanol-y bathtub absinthe.

I’m privy to the ecstasy/ketamine/nitrous oxide combo myself. Although bathtub absinthe sounds rather enticing.

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KGxvi  Aug 29, 2016 • 9:43:03pm

re: #36 Targetpractice

That’s where we are as a society, but not where we are in terms of politics. When a Republican man is found to have been screwing around behind his wife’s back, protocol is she stands there on stage with a blank face while he tearfully asks for her forgiveness, which she’s expected to give without fail. Meanwhile, if a Democrat man is found to have cheated on his wife, then his political career is immediately deemed over. She’s expected to leave him and if she chooses to work through it, it’s viewed as being purely politics and she’s somehow failed as a “strong woman” by failing to kick his ass to the curb.

From the GOP side, it’s playing to perceptions… they see themselves as the party of “good christian family values”, so of course they’re going to forgive and work it out. They see Democrats at feminists in the “a woman needs a man like a fish needs a bicycle” archetype, so of course she’s failed if she doesn’t leave him. Personally, I think making political hay out of anyone’s infidelities (with very few exceptions, like Petraeus possibly divulging classified information to a mistress) is punching below the belt, but I occasionally have a conscious, which is why I’d probably not make a very good politician.

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teleskiguy  Aug 29, 2016 • 9:49:30pm

In seven weeks I get my mail-in ballot. Can’t wait to vote “D” all across and down the motherfucker.

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Stanley Sea  Aug 29, 2016 • 9:53:24pm
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The Ghost of a Flea  Aug 29, 2016 • 9:58:16pm

re: #40 teleskiguy

I’m privy to the ecstasy/ketamine/nitrous oxide combo myself. Although bathtub absinthe sounds rather enticing.

Bear in mind the historical absinthe’s famed qualities as a trip likely had nothing to do with wormwood and the chemical thujone, and more to do with how much cheap absinthe was basically dilute poison and methanol. The point of my metaphor being…toxicity plus the craziness of a brain depraved of vital ingredients.

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teleskiguy  Aug 29, 2016 • 9:59:47pm

re: #44 The Ghost of a Flea

Been there, done that, won’t go back. Know whachu mean, brotha …

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Targetpractice  Aug 29, 2016 • 10:00:28pm

re: #41 KGxvi

From the GOP side, it’s playing to perceptions… they see themselves as the party of “good christian family values”, so of course they’re going to forgive and work it out. They see Democrats at feminists in the “a woman needs a man like a fish needs a bicycle” archetype, so of course she’s failed if she doesn’t leave him. Personally, I think making political hay out of anyone’s infidelities (with very few exceptions, like Petraeus possibly divulging classified information to a mistress) is punching below the belt, but I occasionally have a conscious, which is why I’d probably not make a very good politician.

It’s a very patriarchal way of thinking that guides them in such circumstances. The whole “lady in the living room, whore in the bedroom” belief that says a woman’s job in the marriage is to keep hubby happy and if she’s failing that job then it’s on her and not him when he strays. That if he comes back to her and begs forgiveness, then she’s expected to forgive him and work to address her failure to satisfy him. But he keeps straying and she stands by him, then it reflects negatively on her because he’s not getting what he “needs” at home and is looking elsewhere. But, of course, since it’s a patriarchal thought process, the flip side is if she walks out on his ass for his cheating, then she’s responsible for the marriage’s failure because she’s supposed to stand by him “til death do them part.”

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Joe Bacon  Aug 29, 2016 • 10:02:43pm

Well, now I know why the Republican Pollster ran those questions by me alleging Hillary and Huma are “Involved” and witnesses will come forward alleging they have proof of their affair.

No doubt Putin and his pal Assange are fabricating the “evidence” as I post this.

I’m just waiting for the pollsters to call again to see just how sleazier their next set of questions will be…

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TedStriker  Aug 29, 2016 • 10:04:57pm

re: #46 Targetpractice

It’s a very patriarchal way of thinking that guides them in such circumstances. The whole “lady in the living room, whore in the bedroom” belief that says a woman’s job in the marriage is to keep hubby happy and if she’s failing that job then it’s on her and not him when he strays. That if he comes back to her and begs forgiveness, then she’s expected to forgive him and work to address her failure to satisfy him. But he keeps straying and she stands by him, then it reflects negatively on her because he’s not getting what he “needs” at home and is looking elsewhere. But, of course, since it’s a patriarchal thought process, the flip side is if she walks out on his ass for his cheating, then she’s responsible for the marriage’s failure because she’s supposed to stand by him “til death do them part.”

IOW, for men so disposed, “heads I win, tails you lose”.

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Great White Snark  Aug 29, 2016 • 10:05:41pm

re: #44 The Ghost of a Flea

Bear in mind the historical absinthe’s famed qualities as a trip likely had nothing to do with wormwood and the chemical thujone, and more to do with how much cheap absinthe was basically dilute poison and methanol. The point of my metaphor being…toxicity plus the craziness of a brain depraved of vital ingredients.

The poison is always in the dose.

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Joe Bacon  Aug 29, 2016 • 10:06:28pm

Holy Mother of Sweet Breakfast Meats!

Could Alex Jones be right about them shape shifting lizard people?

Beware! They’re Here!
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Targetpractice  Aug 29, 2016 • 10:07:31pm

re: #50 Joe Bacon

Holy Mother of Sweet Breakfast Meats!

Could Alex Jones be right about them shape shifting lizard people?

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I didn’t know Meet the Applegates was a documentary.

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majii  Aug 29, 2016 • 10:08:13pm

re: #48 TedStriker

“IOW, for men so disposed, “heads I win, tails you lose”.”

I call this a “My way or the highway” way of looking at marriage.

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whitebeach  Aug 29, 2016 • 10:09:56pm

re: #46 Targetpractice

It’s a very patriarchal way of thinking that guides them in such circumstances. The whole “lady in the living room, whore in the bedroom” belief that says a woman’s job in the marriage is to keep hubby happy and if she’s failing that job then it’s on her and not him when he strays. That if he comes back to her and begs forgiveness, then she’s expected to forgive him and work to address her failure to satisfy him. But he keeps straying and she stands by him, then it reflects negatively on her because he’s not getting what he “needs” at home and is looking elsewhere. But, of course, since it’s a patriarchal thought process, the flip side is if she walks out on his ass for his cheating, then she’s responsible for the marriage’s failure because she’s supposed to stand by him “til death do them part.”

The mental backflips you’re so accurately describing is how we got Tammy Wynette having “Stand By Your Man” as her biggest hit even though she was divorced, what, five or six times? And of course why her second-biggest hit was about what a tragedy it is to have a “D-I-V-O-R-C-E.”

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Targetpractice  Aug 29, 2016 • 10:11:26pm

re: #48 TedStriker

IOW, for men so disposed, “heads I win, tails you lose”.

Ayep, but only for Republican men. When you’re a Democrat, both parties are irreparably damaged. He’s a cheating cad who can never be trusted again, and she’s either a doormat for standing by him or a money-grubbing witch for divorcing him.

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Anymouse  Aug 29, 2016 • 10:13:44pm

Wife took me away to pin and cut her pattern pieces for her new dress.

Holy crap that’s complicated; her instructions on where to pin, line up, and cut were all English words but they made no sense.

McCall’s patterns are full of biases. They are printed right on the pattern pieces. Then there’s the bias tape. Are they part of the “liberal media?” /s

And that “diversity nonsense”: A pattern from the Sixties printed in five languages? Liberals started the subversion of America long ago! /s

I’m glad I became an aviation electronics technician in the Navy and not a sailmaker; electronics is a lot easier. /s

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The Ghost of a Flea  Aug 29, 2016 • 10:15:16pm

re: #49 Great White Snark

The poison is always in the dose.

Read The Poisoner’s Handbook, by Deborah Blum. In spite of the name, it’s more about the history of forensic scientists—specifically a team in New York—trying to identify harmful agents than about killers. And it doesn’t just cover actual poisons used in crimes…also stuff like tetraethyl lead and radium.

Methanol features prominently in the story, though, because of Prohibition…and it’s terrifying. Drunk…maybe a bit drunker than normal…then dead.

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majii  Aug 29, 2016 • 10:18:26pm

re: #55 Anymouse

Sewing is fun. I used to make all of my clothes and most of my daughter’s, that is, until my eyesight got to a point where my eyes couldn’t take the strain of doing so much close work. Good on you for helping your wife with her sewing!

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Charles Johnson  Aug 29, 2016 • 10:29:06pm
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Anymouse  Aug 29, 2016 • 10:31:57pm

re: #57 majii

Sewing is fun. I used to make all of my clothes and most of my daughter’s, that is, until my eyesight got to a point where my eyes couldn’t take the strain of doing so much close work. Good on you for helping your wife with her sewing!

For varying definitions of “fun.” (::

To be fair, my wife asked me to help her, I didn’t volunteer. She is still recovering from her knee injury during our Canada trip and we don’t have a sewing table. (The cloth had to be cut on the floor.)

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Targetpractice  Aug 29, 2016 • 10:32:11pm

re: #58 Charles Johnson

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He’s like an obsessed ex-boyfriend, trying again and again to trick Twitter into taking him back.

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teleskiguy  Aug 29, 2016 • 10:33:12pm

re: #58 Charles Johnson

Eh, why not?!?

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN  Aug 29, 2016 • 10:41:03pm

philly.com

I was just reading that “Trading Places” was supposed to be a Gene WIlder/Richard Pryor movie. You don’t need to click, basically Pryor and Wilder were coming off a couple of hits but Pryor got badly burned in an accident so the producers recast Eddie Murphy and John Landis then insisted on Akroyd.

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Targetpractice  Aug 29, 2016 • 10:43:58pm

re: #62 SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN

philly.com

I was just reading that “Trading Places” was supposed to be a Gene WIlder/Richard Pryor movie. You don’t need to click, basically Pryor and Wilder were coming off a couple of hits but Pryor got badly burned in an accident so the producers recast Eddie Murphy and John Landis then insisted on Akroyd.

That’s a familiar story in Hollywood, a movie written/pitched as a vehicle for a currently popular star, said star being unavailable for some reason (working on another film, injured, prima donna, etc), and the studio recasting with “lesser” stars.

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teleskiguy  Aug 29, 2016 • 10:45:47pm
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Ia! Ia! Trump Ftaghn! (née Sophist)  Aug 29, 2016 • 10:45:57pm

re: #58 Charles Johnson

It’s almost like he doesn’t have a life or something.

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Anymouse  Aug 29, 2016 • 10:49:25pm

re: #65 Ia! Ia! Trump Ftaghn! (née Sophist)

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It’s almost like he doesn’t have a life or something.

It’s almost like he doesn’t understand what censorship is.

Milo meanwhile:

wonkette.com

Breitbart’s Milo knows how to make women happy: uninventing washing machines and The Pill. Really.

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teleskiguy  Aug 29, 2016 • 10:55:02pm

:(

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teleskiguy  Aug 29, 2016 • 11:13:41pm

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Dr Lizardo  Aug 29, 2016 • 11:14:16pm

re: #24 Targetpractice

I consider it absolutely amazing how, in 8 years, we went from conservatives blowing off Alex Jones to even the more “reasonable” ones going “He might be on to something.” God only knows where we’ll be in another 8 years.

I’m old enough to remember when Alex Jones was considered persona non grata over at the Free Republic feverswamp. Anything that linked to him was pulled down very quickly.

Now it’s getting hard to tell the difference between FR and, let’s say, InfoWars or Prison Planet.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 29, 2016 • 11:24:32pm

re: #68 teleskiguy

My condolences dude. Seems like she was one heck of a lady.

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Nyet  Aug 29, 2016 • 11:25:15pm

One may agree or disagree with the reasons not to stand up for anthem, but *insisting* on other people standing up for it in the first place is creepy.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 29, 2016 • 11:26:59pm

re: #71 Nyet

Right and I love the point up there about people not standing in their living rooms.

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Nyet  Aug 29, 2016 • 11:32:59pm

There are good sides to patriotism (which boil down to a sincere loyalty to the country one resides in - as long as the country is not a cancerous growth on the world’s body), but making a cult out of it has never ended well.

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Ia! Ia! Trump Ftaghn! (née Sophist)  Aug 29, 2016 • 11:34:59pm

re: #71 Nyet

One may agree or disagree with the reasons not to stand up for anthem, but *insisting* on standing up for it in the first place is creepy.

I demand that you stand during a song praising this country as “the land of the free”!

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Anymouse  Aug 29, 2016 • 11:37:03pm

re: #68 teleskiguy

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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 29, 2016 • 11:38:15pm

re: #74 Ia! Ia! Trump Ftaghn! (née Sophist)

Fucking this. Couldn’t have put it better myself!

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Targetpractice  Aug 29, 2016 • 11:40:43pm

“You should be free to have negative opinions! And free to express those opinions as you wish!”

“I’m going to sit through the National Anthem to express my opposition to racial oppression in this country.”

“HOW DARE YOU SHOW LESS THAN ABSOLUTE LOYALTY TO AMERICA?!”

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Anymouse  Aug 29, 2016 • 11:46:46pm

re: #77 Targetpractice

“You should be free to have negative opinions! And free to express those opinions as you wish!”

“I’m going to sit through the National Anthem to express my opposition to racial oppression in this country.”

“HOW DARE YOU SHOW LESS THAN ABSOLUTE LOYALTY TO AMERICA?!”

Psst. Don’t tell conservatives. When a US Navy ship pulls into a foreign port, they play the national anthems of our country and the foreign country. Military personnel are expected to salute through both anthems.

That even occurred on the rare occasions when our ships pulled into Soviet ports.

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Targetpractice  Aug 29, 2016 • 11:48:37pm

re: #78 Anymouse

Psst. Don’t tell conservatives. When a US Navy ship pulls into a foreign port, they play the national anthems of our country and the foreign country. Military personnel are expected to salute through both anthems.

That even occurred on the rare occasions when our ships pulled into Soviet ports.

These are the people who went apeshit when Coke made a commercial where “America, The Beautiful” was sang in more languages than just English and played it during the Superbowl.

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Anymouse  Aug 30, 2016 • 12:02:47am

re: #78 Anymouse

(from a Wonkette non-commentator): Second Law of [conservation of] conservative grievance: The less you are personally affected by something, the more deeply offensive it is to you.

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Targetpractice  Aug 30, 2016 • 12:19:58am

Abe Vigoda, David Bowie, Prince, Alan Rickman, Glenn Frey, Harper Lee, Garry Shandling, Muhammad Ali, Anton Yelchin, Elie Wiesel, Miss Cleo, and now Gene Wilder.

2016’s got a bigger body count than a George R. R. Martin novel.

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Nyet  Aug 30, 2016 • 12:43:41am

re: #81 Targetpractice

Abe Vigoda, David Bowie, Prince, Alan Rickman, Glenn Frey, Harper Lee, Garry Shandling, Muhammad Ali, Anton Yelchin, Elie Wiesel, Miss Cleo, and now Gene Wilder.

2016’s got a bigger body count than a George R. R. Martin novel.

*And* there are still whole 4 months left.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Aug 30, 2016 • 12:43:41am

re: #67 teleskiguy

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Global Times, the newspaper mouthpiece of the Chinese Communist Party, ran an opinion column recently, which alleged that the shell-shocked Syrian refugee boy photo was staged. This writer claimed that the US and EU supporters of the rebels were using the photo as propaganda against the Assad regime, which by the way China supports.

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Targetpractice  Aug 30, 2016 • 12:44:39am

re: #82 Nyet

*And* there are still whole 4 months left.

Well, if 2016 is a novel written by Martin, then November and December will never get here, he’ll just keep putting them off for another year.

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Nyet  Aug 30, 2016 • 12:49:26am

re: #84 Targetpractice

I’ve never read a Martin novel (and probably never will), so I don’t know what that means ;)

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Single-handed sailor  Aug 30, 2016 • 12:57:26am

re: #85 Nyet

I’ve never read a Martin novel (and probably never will), so I don’t know what that means ;)

You’ve probably heard about the character death rate in Game of Thrones through online media and discussions.

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Nyet  Aug 30, 2016 • 1:04:09am

re: #86 Single-handed sailor

You’ve probably heard about the character death rate in Game of Thrones through online media and discussions.

Yes, but not about winter months…

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Nyet  Aug 30, 2016 • 1:04:40am
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Single-handed sailor  Aug 30, 2016 • 1:07:18am

re: #87 Nyet

Yes, but not about winter months…

Ah, I lost track of the conversation. I see now.

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Single-handed sailor  Aug 30, 2016 • 1:11:04am

From what I gather in GoT winter has been coming for all 7 seasons, but if I recall their winters are like small ice ages decades long.

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The Ghost of a Flea  Aug 30, 2016 • 1:19:11am

re: #88 Nyet

Hey Nyet, I got a weird question, and it’s Russian-culture related and I am totally profiling you.

If you take a phrase in modern literary Russian (Bulgakov: рукописи не горят specifically) and rendering in Church Slavonic script…specifically, Vyaz (вязь) calligraphy…it that a comprehensible gloss, or does it just make no sense?

It’s for something I’m thinking of making as a gift.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Aug 30, 2016 • 1:24:49am

re: #90 Single-handed sailor

From what I gather in GoT winter has been coming for all 7 seasons, but if I recall their winters are like small ice ages decades long.

The GoT world has long periods of summer, followed by brutally long winters that allow the Ice White Walkers to roam southward. Martin has not explained why or how this happens. Apparently, they’ve not had winter in such a long time that people have forgotten about the threat from the other side of the Wall. So, the Night’s Watch is undermanned, some posts are abandoned, and the seven kingdoms are are all galloping about trying to win the Iron Throne from each other, while the world goes all to hell.

Sounds familiar, in a lot of ways.

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Nyet  Aug 30, 2016 • 1:26:02am

re: #91 The Ghost of a Flea

Hey Nyet, I got a weird question, and it’s Russian-culture related and I am totally profiling you.

If you take a phrase in modern literary Russian (Bulgakov: рукописи не горят specifically) and rendering in Church Slavonic script…specifically, Vyaz (вязь) calligraphy…it that a comprehensible gloss, or does it just make no sense?

It’s for something I’m thinking of making as a gift.

Well, at this particular moment it needs more explanation, perhaps I’m missing context. For example, why vyaz? Only to make it stereotypically Russian-like or does it add to the message in a substantive way?

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Nyet  Aug 30, 2016 • 1:30:03am

If you want finer connections (and I can only speak of myself): vyaz I would associate with letopisi, but not necessarily with rukopisi (albeit letopisi were necessarily rukopisi).
Moreover, for someone who knows about the origin of the phrase, the associations brought forth by the novel are not “Slavic” per se.
My mental picture of a generic rukopis’ is more like Image: p2_0100.jpg

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Anymouse  Aug 30, 2016 • 1:47:30am
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Nyet  Aug 30, 2016 • 1:50:01am

re: #95 Anymouse

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Ming5000  Aug 30, 2016 • 1:56:38am

re: #13 Stanley Sea

You may have seen this already

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Thanks! I enjoyed it. A great way to start the day. Some good perspective.

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Timothy Watson  Aug 30, 2016 • 1:57:15am

re: #95 Anymouse

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I heard a radio ad for Johnson while I was flipping through stations yesterday. It was on a local talkradio station, given the time it was probably airing during Sean Hannity’s show (I didn’t stick around to check).

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Targetpractice  Aug 30, 2016 • 1:58:20am

re: #95 Anymouse

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Johnson’s of the “Small enough to drown in a bathtub” variety of conservative, while Stein so far has done everything possible to convince me she’s what it would like to have the high school mean girl run for the presidency.

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Nyet  Aug 30, 2016 • 1:58:28am

I wondered what happened to the ultra-racist and plain unfunny Israeli “comedy show” Latma TV - they stopped putting videos on their channel about a year ago.

Turns out they “went big” and instead of internet are now being shown on some Israeli TV channel.

forward.com

Ugh.

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Nyet  Aug 30, 2016 • 1:59:07am

...

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Nyet  Aug 30, 2016 • 2:07:03am
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Ming5000  Aug 30, 2016 • 2:07:43am

re: #34 Stanley Sea

He fucked around on his wives. Cheated on each to get to the next.

No prob! GOP candidate for President 2016.

But you women, how in the hell did you let your man stray?

We still live in such a patriarchal society. No one sees this for what it is.

Stanley Sea is batting 1000 so far this thread! Upding!

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Anymouse  Aug 30, 2016 • 2:12:07am

Programming Note: My wife and I have been cordially invited to attend the county Democratic Party meeting this evening.

Good to know the only elected Democrat in the county finally gets invited to attend after I’ve held office for four freakin’ years.

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Ming5000  Aug 30, 2016 • 2:13:52am

re: #104 Anymouse

The tide is turning!

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Ming5000  Aug 30, 2016 • 2:14:49am

OT. Am I using too many exclamation points?!

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Dr Lizardo  Aug 30, 2016 • 2:16:59am

So, I see in the more tabloidish media that SETI has observed a signal in the direction of HD164595 and naturally, the usual suspects - guys with crazy hair, for example - are going gaga. Most likely, it’s nothing.

Personally, I think receiving a genuine, bona fide artificial signal from somewhere else, let’s say, within a 200 light year radius, would be incredible news, to put it mildly. Such a day would completely change our understanding of the universe and our place in it.

This little snippet, the opening of The X-Files episode “Little Green Men”, remains perhaps my favorite, because it is so nicely understated. I remember watching this one years and years ago, and it sent a thrill of excitement down my spine, mostly because by saying so very little, it said so much.

Little green men (The X-Files)

Now if something like that ever happened……..well, holy shit. There would be endless speculation and fascination; I have little doubt there would also be a good many people filled with the most unspeakable terror.

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Timothy Watson  Aug 30, 2016 • 2:17:49am

re: #43 Stanley Sea

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It’s nice that we let people who have (allegedly) committed multi-million dollars worth of fraud, but don’t shoplift $5 from a convenience store or you’re be sitting in jail until trial!

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Aug 30, 2016 • 2:19:46am

re: #108 Timothy Watson

It’s nice that we let people who have (allegedly) committed multi-million dollars worth of fraud, but don’t shoplift $5 from a convenience store or you’re be sitting in jail until trial!

The best way to rob a bank is to own one.

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Nyet  Aug 30, 2016 • 2:22:18am

re: #107 Dr Lizardo

setiathome.berkeley.edu

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Ming5000  Aug 30, 2016 • 2:24:09am

re: #88 Nyet
BLÜCHER!

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Anymouse  Aug 30, 2016 • 2:25:12am

re: #107 Dr Lizardo

I run the SETI Boinc program on my computer. SETI already weighed in on this; they sent out a message to us (possibly from Proxima Centauri) to note this is not the big deal the press is making of it:

SETI@home: “Baffling” “signal” “from HD 164595” is probably none of the above.
I’m sure that many of you have seen the news reports of a “SETI signal” detected from the star HD 164595

I was one of the many people who received the the email with the subject “Candidate SETI SIGNAL DETECTED by Russians from star HD 164595 by virtue of RATAN-600 radio telescope.” Since the email did come from known SETI researchers, I looked over the presentation. I was unimpressed. In one out of 39 scans that passed over star showed a signal at about 4.5 times the mean noise power with a profile somewhat like the beam profile. Of course SETI@home has seen millions of potential signals with similar characteristics, but it takes more than that to make a good candidate. Multiple detections are a minimum criterion.

Because the receivers used were making broad band measurements, there’s really nothing about this “signal” that would distinguish it from a natural radio transient (stellar flare, active galactic nucleus, microlensing of a background source, etc.) There’s also nothing that could distinguish it from a satellite passing through the telescope field of view. All in all, it’s relatively uninteresting from a SETI standpoint.

But, of course, it’s been announced to the media. Reporters won’t have the background to know it’s not interesting. Because the media has it, and since this business runs on media, everyone will look at it. ATA is looking at it. I assume Breakthrough will look at it. Someone will look at it with Arecibo, and we’ll be along for the ride. And I’ll check the SETI@home database around that position. And we’ll all find nothing. It’s not our first time at this rodeo, so we know how it works.

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Anymouse  Aug 30, 2016 • 2:29:09am

re: #106 Ming5000

OT. Am I using too many exclamation points?!

NEeds Moar CAPS LOCK!!one!11!!uno!!eleventy!!q!!

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Anymouse  Aug 30, 2016 • 2:30:50am

The Onion weighs in:

theonion.com
What Is the Alt-Right?

LOLOL

Against

Political correctness, immigration, feminism

For

Being against political correctness, immigration, feminism

Notable Achievements

Finally convincing Twitter to take online harassment seriously

More at the article

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freetoken  Aug 30, 2016 • 2:31:20am

re: #113 Anymouse

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Timothy Watson  Aug 30, 2016 • 2:39:11am

re: #115 freetoken

[Insert Metal Gear Solid reference here.]

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Ming5000  Aug 30, 2016 • 2:42:15am

James R. Clapper Jr., the director of national intelligence, has told Congress that ma­nipu­la­tion or deletion of data is the next big cyberthreat — “the next push on the envelope.”

This hacking stuff seems to be more intense and concerted than before when it seemed to be from a bunch of amateurs. At what point does “hacking” rise to the point of serious national response? I am thinking of open, serious, diplomatic engagement.

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Nyet  Aug 30, 2016 • 3:12:48am

re: #114 Anymouse

Long lineage of conservative philosophers including Hans-Hermann Hoppe, Julius Evola, and “U Mad Bro” 4chan meme

A pretty succinct description.

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Nyet  Aug 30, 2016 • 3:28:56am

An update on the mess that is the English “translation” (a partial falsification, really) of Hitler’s table talks:

richardcarrier.info

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Alephnaught  Aug 30, 2016 • 3:38:43am

Apple’s going to have to pay some money back to Ireland…

Apple ordered to pay up to €13bn after EU rules Ireland broke state aid laws.

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Anymouse  Aug 30, 2016 • 3:43:47am

Tropical Storm Warning posted for North Carolina as Depression 8 approaches:

nhc.noaa.gov

Depression 9 (entering the Gulf of Mexico) is also expected to become a Tropical Storm in twelve hours, and the National Weather Service expects it to threaten North Florida.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Aug 30, 2016 • 4:03:22am

re: #112 Anymouse

I run the SETI Boinc program on my computer. SETI already weighed in on this; they sent out a message to us (possibly from Proxima Centauri) to note this is not the big deal the press is making of it:

Multiple detections are a minimum criterion.

That’s just exactly what you’re never going to get, though. What they’re saying is that they’re absolutely committed to never saying a signal is artificial.

Look at it from the other end. If the radio beam from Earth to one of our Outer Planet spacecraft swept across someone’s location and they detected it, it would be centuries, if not millennia, before another signal from us hit them, even with a lot heavier traffic than we have now.

An obviously artificial signal lasting a few seconds or minutes, like the Wow! Signal, is the best you can hope for. If you’ve said up front that you won’t accept it, you might as well give up.

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Nyet  Aug 30, 2016 • 4:04:51am

OK, *that* approach is the winning strategy (as opposed to only mock debates and poring over policy binders).

Hillary Clinton’s advisers are talking to Donald J. Trump’s ghostwriter of “The Art of the Deal,” seeking insights about Mr. Trump’s deepest insecurities as they devise strategies to needle and undermine him in four weeks at the first presidential debate, the most anticipated in a generation.

Her team is also getting advice from psychology experts to help create a personality profile of Mr. Trump to gauge how he may respond to attacks and deal with a woman as his sole adversary on the debate stage.

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Anymouse  Aug 30, 2016 • 4:06:22am

Facebook Post

Holy salad shooter, Batman! This used to be a conservative Website (before I came here).

If there are any conservatives left, can someone explain what the hell Sarah Palin is trying to say in this Facebook post? (Includes pictures of her head injury yesterday). The words are English, but it reads like authentic frontier gibberish.

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Nyet  Aug 30, 2016 • 4:07:19am

re: #123 Nyet

Mrs. Clinton, a deeply competitive debater, wants to crush Mr. Trump on live television, but not with an avalanche of policy details; she is searching for ways to bait him into making blunders.

They get it. Very good.

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Anymouse  Aug 30, 2016 • 4:10:58am

re: #122 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

On multiple detections, they are not referring to multiple signals sent from the same source. They are referring to multiple receptions from different locations on Earth.

Something like an astronomer reporting a supernova, but other astronomers looking at the same part of the sky did not see it.

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Nyet  Aug 30, 2016 • 4:11:26am

re: #124 Anymouse

Sarah is the common clay of the New West.

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Nyet  Aug 30, 2016 • 4:18:13am
Mr. Trump’s search so far seems to be less exhaustive: He said his daughter Ivanka could end up playing Mrs. Clinton.

Of course.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Aug 30, 2016 • 4:30:39am

re: #58 Charles Johnson

This has to be most juvenile attempt to gain attention ever. What does he really expect Twitter ops to do? He’s repeatedly violated the terms of service, which amounts to a legal contract. They’re not going to suddenly decide, oh heck, just let the kid back on. What harm can it do?

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dangerman  Aug 30, 2016 • 4:31:03am

re: #107 Dr Lizardo

So, I see in the more tabloidish media that SETI has observed a signal in the direction of HD164595 and naturally, the usual suspects - guys with crazy hair, for example - are going gaga. Most likely, it’s nothing.

Personally, I think receiving a genuine, bona fide artificial signal from somewhere else, let’s say, within a 200 light year radius, would be incredible news, to put it mildly. Such a day would completely change our understanding of the universe and our place in it.

This little snippet, the opening of The X-Files episode “Little Green Men”, remains perhaps my favorite, because it is so nicely understated. I remember watching this one years and years ago, and it sent a thrill of excitement down my spine, mostly because by saying so very little, it said so much.

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Now if something like that ever happened……..well, holy shit. There would be endless speculation and fascination; I have little doubt there would also be a good many people filled with the most unspeakable terror.

i ran seti@home on a bunch of computers for a lot of years
distributed cooperative computing - what a concept

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dangerman  Aug 30, 2016 • 4:33:48am

re: #130 dangerman

i ran seti@home on a bunch of computers for a lot of years
distributed cooperative computing - what a concept

oh, ok - i should at least read the *recent* part of the thread before jumping in

its amazing (to me) how much we are connected and have in common with each other

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dangerman  Aug 30, 2016 • 4:42:22am

another strategy i read in comments at politicalwire.com

hipsteriac • 8 hours ago

My strategery for Hillary is to ignore Trump altogether. Literally. Do not respond to anything he says, or even turn her head toward him — no matter how provocative or outlandish he gets. There is simply nothing an egotist hates worse than being ignored. When a moderator asks Hillary if she wants to respond to Trump, she says, “No, I prefer to share how I intend to move this country forward.” Then answer the question.

Once that pattern is well established, when Trump expects to hear nothing from her, out of the blue, she turns to him and says, “By the way, Donald, have you released your taxes yet?” Before he can answer, she turns away, and resumes ignoring him. Repeat the tax question as necessary to drive Trump insane.

It would swing all the moderator and audience attention to her — everybody would be hanging on her next words — wondering if and when she is going to return fire. What Trump says would increasingly not matter, and sensing that from the mods, Trump would lose control — a spiral he probably would not be able to pull himself out of.

It would be a gamble, of course, but in another way it would be a very safe play — Hillary would be able to stay within her comfort zone of policy wonkery, and avoid the risks inherent with trading barbs.

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Anymouse  Aug 30, 2016 • 4:44:30am

re: #130 dangerman

i ran seti@home on a bunch of computers for a lot of years
distributed cooperative computing - what a concept

I also run medical projects with Boinc. Looking for cancer genes, potential vaccines or treatments for Zika, AIDS, and tuberculosis, &c.

Distributed computing puts hundreds of millions of personal computers around the world together that makes even the most advanced supercomputer a Commodore 64 by comparison.

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Targetpractice  Aug 30, 2016 • 4:47:34am

re: #124 Anymouse

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Holy salad shooter, Batman! This used to be a conservative Website (before I came here).

If there are any conservatives left, can someone explain what the hell Sarah Palin is trying to say in this Facebook post? (Includes pictures of her head injury yesterday). The words are English, but it reads like authentic frontier gibberish.

Basically, Princess Dumbass of the North Woods is trying to use her injury to attack Hillary for something she’s not doing: Playing the gender card. Claiming that Hillary and her supporters are deflecting questions about her health by accusing the questioners of being misogynists.

Apparently she’s been nursing a grudge since people saw past the pretty exterior and found that there’s not much to damage inside the head of the Half-Term Governor.

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Nyet  Aug 30, 2016 • 5:01:14am

OK, I have finished watching Weiner. It’s really a unique documentary, fulfilling the usual “if only I got to be a fly on the wall” wish. I guess it was one of Weiner’s many bad decisions (for him; good for us) to allow so much access. There were fears that it might somehow hurt Hillary, but Huma is the only sympathetic character pictured there.

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Anymouse  Aug 30, 2016 • 5:01:16am

Hurricane Watch is posted for the Big Island of Hawai’i as Hurricane Madeline approaches.

prh.noaa.gov

Hurricane Madeline has 130 mph winds. Tropical storm season is getting busy.

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Emptor scriptor Remorse  Aug 30, 2016 • 5:18:15am
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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 30, 2016 • 5:20:55am
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Emptor scriptor Remorse  Aug 30, 2016 • 5:23:58am

Poll: Donald Trump Chips Away at Hillary Clinton’s National Lead

Hillary Clinton’s national lead over Donald Trump has narrowed slightly to 6 points, according to the latest NBC News|SurveyMonkey Weekly Election Tracking Poll

Clinton now enjoys 48 percent support, while Trump holds steady with 42 percent. Last week, Clinton led Trump by 8 points. The latest NBC News|SurveyMonkey poll was conducted online from August 22 through August 28 among registered voters.

Clinton outspent Trump in campaign advertising

The Trump camp began an ad campaign today likely to cost as much as $10 million over the next week, USA Today reported
The ad buy is his biggest so far; the spot is focused on the economy and is slated to air in 9 battleground states, according to Trump camp
Trump’s ad spending shows signs of a surge, Bloomberg Intelligence analysts Matthew Schettenhelm and Tamlin Bason wrote in note
While Trump didn’t fund any TV or radio advertising in July, late this month he launched a $4 million effort in Florida, North Carolina, Ohio and Pennsylvania
Clinton spent more than $25 million on media purchases in July and has disclosed $77 million of spending for ads coming in September and October

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Nyet  Aug 30, 2016 • 5:26:26am

re: #139 Emptor scriptor Remorse

So many dumb and bigoted people in the USA.

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Ia! Ia! Trump Ftaghn! (née Sophist)  Aug 30, 2016 • 5:32:12am

re: #133 Anymouse

I also run medical projects with Boinc. Looking for cancer genes, potential vaccines or treatments for Zika, AIDS, and tuberculosis, &c.

Scientific progress goes Boinc?

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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 30, 2016 • 5:35:15am

Hillary’s lead in RCP polls dropped to 5 pts overnight. OMG IT’S A HORSE RACE.

In 2012 Obama and Romney were never separated by more than 3 pts.

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jeffreyw  Aug 30, 2016 • 5:39:57am

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Good morning!

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BlueSpotinAL  Aug 30, 2016 • 5:43:08am

re: #134 Targetpractice

Basically, Princess Dumbass of the North Woods is trying to use her injury to attack Hillary for something she’s not doing: Playing the gender card. Claiming that Hillary and her supporters are deflecting questions about her health by accusing the questioners of being misogynists.

Apparently she’s been nursing a grudge since people saw past the pretty exterior and found that there’s not much to damage inside the head of the Half-Term Governor.

Sarah Palin’s “damage” is all due to a creed equivalent to that of IBM: This mind is intentionally left blank.

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Timothy Watson  Aug 30, 2016 • 5:44:48am

re: #138 The Vicious Babushka

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Decatur Deb  Aug 30, 2016 • 5:49:22am

re: #142 The Vicious Babushka

Hillary’s lead in RCP polls dropped to 5 pts overnight. OMG IT’S A HORSE RACE.

In 2012 Obama and Romney were never separated by more than 3 pts.

Survey Monkey has a C- rating on 538, effectively the lowest they will aggregate.

SurveyMonkey C- 24,104 RV

projects.fivethirtyeight.com

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lawhawk  Aug 30, 2016 • 5:56:42am

So, Alex Jones thinks Clintons are out to get him and that if he dies a suspicious death, they’re to blame.

That’s the perfect response for someone who likely blows cats, gets screwed by horses, and is likely to be found dead of autoerotic asphyxiation with a bunch of hookers and blow. Classy to the end - complete with his own conspiracy theory on how to avoid being seen as the creep he is.

/sarcasm not sarcasm.

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lawhawk  Aug 30, 2016 • 5:57:23am

Meanwhile, NBC Politics did their own homage to honor Gene Wilder on his passing.

Read it all…

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Targetpractice  Aug 30, 2016 • 6:07:18am

re: #139 Emptor scriptor Remorse

Poll: Donald Trump Chips Away at Hillary Clinton’s National Lead

Clinton outspent Trump in campaign advertising

So the prediction seems to be holding true, the media will try to maintain the “horse race” narrative by playing up any shift in the polls, no matter how small.

As for the outspending bit, I notice the media doesn’t include the millions they’ve been giving him in free advertising.

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BeenHereAwhile  Aug 30, 2016 • 6:16:12am

re: #130 dangerman

i ran seti@home on a bunch of computers for a lot of years
distributed cooperative computing - what a concept

In the mid 90’s some of the Netcom subscribers grumbled about other Netcommie subscribers running SETI@home in the background on Netcom servers, thus using precious processor resources.

Niceness prevailed.

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Jenner7  Aug 30, 2016 • 6:17:53am

re: #142 The Vicious Babushka

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Sir John Barron  Aug 30, 2016 • 6:19:43am

re: #142 The Vicious Babushka

Hillary’s lead in RCP polls dropped to 5 pts overnight. OMG IT’S A HORSE RACE.

In 2012 Obama and Romney were never separated by more than 3 pts.

In fairness, Romney was Washingtonian compared to Trump.

/

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Targetpractice  Aug 30, 2016 • 6:20:05am

re: #151 Jenner7

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Even then, a 4 pt lead on a conservative-leaning site shows just how fraked Comrade Combover is.

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lawhawk  Aug 30, 2016 • 6:23:23am

re: #151 Jenner7

The issues with the RCP are precisely the reason to use them - all the talk about how Trump is doing this or that well, or gaining ground has to be seen through the lens of how they’ve selected the polls to include in the average.

And despite how they’re trying to manipulate those averages, the reality is that it isn’t nearly as close as the GOP wishes it to be.

That’s a problem too - since you’ve got a GOP electorate that’s priming itself for the claims that the election is rigged or that the fix is in on votes, even though the polling shows Trump losing across the board and that it’s not even close in most states, including the battlegrounds.

A handful of polls, including a few that are sketchy at best, showing a close race are cherry picking favorites - such as Trump pimping some People’s Pundit’s poll, which still showed him losing (42.1 to 41.9, but rounding shows as a tie).

While the media would prefer the horse race, they could do just as well by setting the table with a landslide. Just how big - how epic, etc. That’d get eyeballs too.

If anything, the media still prefers to be deferential to Trump and all his issues (racism/bigotry/nativism/white supremacist reachout, etc) and attack Clinton on everything, including what happens to her subordinate’s marriage.

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Decatur Deb  Aug 30, 2016 • 6:24:26am

Polls are feel-good meds. Arbitrarily assume HRC is ahead by 2 and act accordingly.

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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 30, 2016 • 6:25:24am

Butthurt Berniebro in my mentions now.

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Targetpractice  Aug 30, 2016 • 6:25:56am

re: #154 lawhawk

The issues with the RCP are precisely the reason to use them - all the talk about how Trump is doing this or that well, or gaining ground has to be seen through the lens of how they’ve selected the polls to include in the average.

And despite how they’re trying to manipulate those averages, the reality is that it isn’t nearly as close as the GOP wishes it to be.

That’s a problem too - since you’ve got a GOP electorate that’s priming itself for the claims that the election is rigged or that the fix is in on votes, even though the polling shows Trump losing across the board and that it’s not even close in most states, including the battlegrounds.

A handful of polls, including a few that are sketchy at best, showing a close race are cherry picking favorites - such as Trump pimping some People’s Pundit’s poll, which still showed him losing (42.1 to 41.9, but rounding shows as a tie).

While the media would prefer the horse race, they could do just as well by setting the table with a landslide. Just how big - how epic, etc. That’d get eyeballs too.

If anything, the media still prefers to be deferential to Trump and all his issues (racism/bigotry/nativism/white supremacist reachout, etc) and attack Clinton on everything, including what happens to her subordinate’s marriage.

I was about to say the same thing, that even with RCP cherry-picking the polls it wants to use and trying to create the illusion of a much closer race, the best they can do is closing the gap to 4 points. I’m reminded of 2012 and the efforts that they went to trying to make Willard look “competitive” when by the end of August the writing was already on the wall.

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Sir John Barron  Aug 30, 2016 • 6:31:13am

re: #77 Targetpractice

“You should be free to have negative opinions! And free to express those opinions as you wish!”

“I’m going to sit through the National Anthem to express my opposition to racial oppression in this country.”

“HOW DARE YOU SHOW LESS THAN ABSOLUTE LOYALTY TO AMERICA?!”

Hurr hurr, people so PC and sensitive want free spaces and delicate little feelings get hurt.

“I’m not going to stand during the National Anthem because of killings of African Americans by police officers.”

FUCKR!!!! Watch me burn your jersey!!! Burn in hell mutherfkin libtard America hater!!!! Arrggugugugugu!!!!

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Sir John Barron  Aug 30, 2016 • 6:31:57am

re: #156 The Vicious Babushka

Butthurt Berniebro in my mentions now.

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This one sure sounds special.

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Patricia Kayden  Aug 30, 2016 • 6:32:31am

re: #22 teleskiguy

Thank you. Down with this fake patriotism which places flags and anthems above human beings and freedom of speech. And Jerry Rice’s “All lives matter” b.s. is tiring.

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Barefoot Grin  Aug 30, 2016 • 6:33:52am

re: #81 Targetpractice

Abe Vigoda, David Bowie, Prince, Alan Rickman, Glenn Frey, Harper Lee, Garry Shandling, Muhammad Ali, Anton Yelchin, Elie Wiesel, Miss Cleo, and now Gene Wilder.

2016’s got a bigger body count than a George R. R. Martin novel.

What the hell did all these people do to the Clintons?

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lawhawk  Aug 30, 2016 • 6:34:16am
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Nyet  Aug 30, 2016 • 6:34:52am
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Great White Snark  Aug 30, 2016 • 6:38:55am

re: #155 Decatur Deb

Polls are feel-good meds. Arbitrarily assume HRC is ahead by 2 and act accordingly.

Take two polls and call me in November.

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lawhawk  Aug 30, 2016 • 6:40:16am

We hold these things to be self evident. All men (and women) are equal. These nuts would like to see things revert back to the bad old days where segregation and Jim Crow meant separate but unequal and blacks were seen, but not heard. Where minorities were trashed for being minorities - where they were discriminated against so whites could get to live in certain neighborhoods, and minorities were forced to live across the tracks.

Where racial discrimination and profiling by cops was known, but whites don’t care, because it didn’t happen to them. Those minorities deserve it after all, and while the 2A applies to everyone and are meant to protect against the tyranny of the government, blacks and other minorities have to be careful not to give any cop any kind of attitude because that’s a killing offense - for their own good of course.

Throw in that these nuts also are pushing white supremacist claptrap, this is yet another outgrowth of the Trump ascendancy in the GOP - a GOP that has been pushing these kinds of policies all along, just with less attention to the overt racism inherent in their policies.

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Decatur Deb  Aug 30, 2016 • 6:42:40am

re: #165 lawhawk

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We hold these things to be self evident. All men (and women) are equal. These nuts would like to see things revert back to the bad old days where segregation and Jim Crow meant separate but unequal and blacks were seen, but not heard. Where minorities were trashed for being minorities - where they were discriminated against so whites could get to live in certain neighborhoods, and minorities were forced to live across the tracks.

Where racial discrimination and profiling by cops was known, but whites don’t care, because it didn’t happen to them. Those minorities deserve it after all, and while the 2A applies to everyone and are meant to protect against the tyranny of the government, blacks and other minorities have to be careful not to give any cop any kind of attitude because that’s a killing offense - for their own good of course.

Throw in that these nuts also are pushing white supremacist claptrap, this is yet another outgrowth of the Trump ascendancy in the GOP - a GOP that has been pushing these kinds of policies all along, just with less attention to the overt racism inherent in their policies.

Just the Klan dressed for Casual Friday.

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Sir John Barron  Aug 30, 2016 • 6:43:04am

re: #81 Targetpractice

Abe Vigoda, David Bowie, Prince, Alan Rickman, Glenn Frey, Harper Lee, Garry Shandling, Muhammad Ali, Anton Yelchin, Elie Wiesel, Miss Cleo, and now Gene Wilder.

2016’s got a bigger body count than a George R. R. Martin novel.

Miss Cleo….

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Sir John Barron  Aug 30, 2016 • 6:43:40am

re: #165 lawhawk

White Lives Matter is an actual group?

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FormerDirtDart  Aug 30, 2016 • 6:45:27am

re: #81 Targetpractice

Abe Vigoda, David Bowie, Prince, Alan Rickman, Glenn Frey, Harper Lee, Garry Shandling, Muhammad Ali, Anton Yelchin, Elie Wiesel, Miss Cleo, and now Gene Wilder.

2016’s got a bigger body count than a George R. R. Martin novel.

re: #167 Sir John Barron

Miss Cleo….

Mr. Fuji

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makeitstop  Aug 30, 2016 • 6:46:05am

‘Morning,

Someone here gave me the idea for this last week. I went and found all the pieces, and while waiting for the go to launch a site update, I finally put it together.

(I realize that wingnuts with no sense of irony might like it too, but that’s on them.)

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GlutenFreeJesus  Aug 30, 2016 • 6:48:53am

re: #166 Decatur Deb

Heh. I had to.

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Dr. Matt  Aug 30, 2016 • 6:49:54am

re: #169 FormerDirtDart

Mr. Fuji

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2016 continues to be an asshole.

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Dr. Matt  Aug 30, 2016 • 6:52:32am

Posted without comment:

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Sir John Barron  Aug 30, 2016 • 6:53:05am

re: #169 FormerDirtDart

Mr. Fuji was pretty long-lived for WWE stars.

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Sir John Barron  Aug 30, 2016 • 6:53:44am

re: #173 Dr. Matt

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Does ABC not want people to watch DWTS?

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Jenner7  Aug 30, 2016 • 6:54:41am

Yup.

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b.d.  Aug 30, 2016 • 6:55:05am

re: #173 Dr. Matt

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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 30, 2016 • 6:58:14am
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Le Lapin Tueur  Aug 30, 2016 • 6:59:15am

re: #178 Dr. Matt

Spoiler tags, please

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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 30, 2016 • 7:00:23am

SMOTI’s latest WOW BREAKING NEWS!!!!! from 20 years ago.

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Sir John Barron  Aug 30, 2016 • 7:01:00am

re: #181 The Vicious Babushka

SMOTI’s latest WOW BREAKING NEWS!!!!! from 20 years ago.

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WOW! Wow.

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Anymouse  Aug 30, 2016 • 7:03:48am

re: #173 Dr. Matt

Posted without comment:

Yeah, that would be the Rick Perry who used his platform to attack the Khan family for daring to exercise free speech. (I understand that free speech doesn’t free one from criticism, but Perry is in the group of GOPers who think that the Khans should have no speech at all.)

This tweet bears repeating:

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Le Lapin Tueur  Aug 30, 2016 • 7:04:00am

re: #181 The Vicious Babushka

Hillary Clinton accused Republicans and Donald Trump supporters of being racist thugs. The speech was widely panned by YouTube viewers.

Yup, the highly discerning, unbiased, self-selecting, and highly coveted YouTube viewership commenters. Pretty much scrapping underneath the barrel for demographics.

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The Ghost of a Flea  Aug 30, 2016 • 7:04:13am

re: #93 Nyet

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Sir John Barron  Aug 30, 2016 • 7:05:48am

re: #184 Le Lapin Tueur

The speech was widely panned by YouTube viewers.

That’s the most Dim Jim thing ever.

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Sir John Barron  Aug 30, 2016 • 7:06:43am

re: #184 Le Lapin Tueur

Yup, the highly discerning, unbiased, self-selecting, and highly coveted YouTube viewership commenters. Pretty much scrapping underneath the barrel for demographics.

You tube commenters are the most highly educated, least alt-right racists people anywheres…..

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Anymouse  Aug 30, 2016 • 7:07:13am
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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 30, 2016 • 7:07:25am

STUPIDEST MEME OF THE DAY==>

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Timothy Watson  Aug 30, 2016 • 7:07:44am

re: #184 Le Lapin Tueur

Yup, the highly discerning, unbiased, self-selecting, and highly coveted YouTube viewership commenters. Pretty much scrapping underneath the barrel for demographics.

Like the ones who were posting comments full of swastikas every three seconds.

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ramex  Aug 30, 2016 • 7:08:53am

SMOTI admits the confederate flag is racist. Shouldn’t that anger his loyal followers?

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Anymouse  Aug 30, 2016 • 7:10:50am

… grr … can’t post tweet … takedown of Kelly Ayotte … . for supporting Donald Trump despite slurring vets, POWs, and Gold Star Families …

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Anymouse  Aug 30, 2016 • 7:15:03am

Trump ready to deport Kaepernick for Anti-Flag Crimethink:

wonkette.com

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lawhawk  Aug 30, 2016 • 7:16:42am
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Dr Lizardo  Aug 30, 2016 • 7:19:22am

re: #184 Le Lapin Tueur

Yup, the highly discerning, unbiased, self-selecting, and highly coveted YouTube viewership commenters. Pretty much scrapping underneath the barrel for demographics.

More like scraping the bottom of the septic tank.

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Anymouse  Aug 30, 2016 • 7:19:30am

Kelly Ayotte (R-NH) getting pilloried on Twitter:

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Anymouse  Aug 30, 2016 • 7:22:07am

pesky replies won’t post here. Grr argh. Need more whiskey and Kool-Aid.

Nevertheless, Senator Ayotte is not having a good time with this post.

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Jenner7  Aug 30, 2016 • 7:34:10am

I mean, he’s literally paying his own business with campaign money. And the media?

::crickets::

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Belafon  Aug 30, 2016 • 7:34:57am

re: #196 Anymouse

Is she arguing for increasing military pay, VA spending, or improving Tricare?

Because there really isn’t any other kind of “standing up for military families.”

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Anymouse  Aug 30, 2016 • 7:35:30am

re: #198 Jenner7

Perhaps if it were renamed? /s

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Anymouse  Aug 30, 2016 • 7:36:19am

re: #199 Belafon

Is she arguing for increasing military pay, VA spending, or improving Tricare?

Because there really isn’t any other kind of “standing up for military families.”

Of course not. She opposed all those things. “Fiscal conservative” y’know.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 30, 2016 • 7:37:13am

It is now a matter of RWNJ faith that the Clinton Foundation is nothing but a slush fund that the Clintons use for their own personal gain.

No point in arguing with them about it.

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Sir John Barron  Aug 30, 2016 • 7:38:00am

re: #199 Belafon

Is she arguing for increasing military pay, VA spending, or improving Tricare?

Because there really isn’t any other kind of “standing up for military families.”

No, she’s “standing up for the military and military families”!!

Standing. Standing up. Gosh, what more do you people want. /

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Sir John Barron  Aug 30, 2016 • 7:38:30am

re: #202 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

It is now a matter of RWNJ faith that the Clinton Foundation is nothing but a slush fund that the Clintons use for their own personal gain.

No point in arguing with them about it.

Confirmed. FACT.

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stpaulbear  Aug 30, 2016 • 7:40:21am

re: #165 lawhawk

I just dropped a check in the mail to SPLC this weekend. I started donating to them a couple of years ago.

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Anymouse  Aug 30, 2016 • 7:40:31am

re: #202 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

It is now a matter of RWNJ faith that the Clinton Foundation is nothing but a slush fund that the Clintons use for their own personal gain.

No point in arguing with them about it.

I’ve had some local discussions, which have helped counter the FOX News narrative.

While my House district is the most likely to go for Trump according to Nate Silver’s Website, this village isn’t going to in my uber-conservative state. Something about a disabled vet on the village board vehemently opposed to Mr. Trump’s and his New York campaign manager’s slander of a Gold Star Family (a group I wish I wasn’t also a part of).

All politics is local.

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Jenner7  Aug 30, 2016 • 7:43:06am

Hmm, sounds awfully familiar….

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sagehen  Aug 30, 2016 • 7:45:06am

re: #176 Jenner7

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Yup.

It does seem reasonable to me that the Clintons should remove themselves from the Foundation while she’s in office.

And hey, you know who’s going to be out of a job in January?

Barak and Michelle can’t spend all their time writing books, this might be something they’d really enjoy.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 30, 2016 • 7:45:08am

re: #204 Sir John Barron

Divine. TRUTH

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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 30, 2016 • 7:47:36am

what in the utter fuck

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Jenner7  Aug 30, 2016 • 7:47:47am

re: #208 sagehen

To be clear, I don’t mind the questions about the foundation. But, I’d like the media to apply the same questions to the other candidate’s foundations and businesses.

And I think that if she does win, she and Bill should separate from the foundation.

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FormerDirtDart  Aug 30, 2016 • 7:48:51am

What The Actual FUCK…

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Belafon  Aug 30, 2016 • 7:49:11am

re: #208 sagehen

It does seem reasonable to me that the Clintons should remove themselves from the Foundation while she’s in office.

And hey, you know who’s going to be out of a job in January?

Barak and Michelle can’t spend all their time writing books, this might be something they’d really enjoy.

That’s a suggestion to run to both families. They could even change the name.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 30, 2016 • 7:49:59am

re: #212 FormerDirtDart

NC pastor for Trump wants to end joblessness by ‘returning’ blacks to Africa to build roads

how could that possibly work? after all, the black man is naturally lazy and averse to hard work…

/

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Belafon  Aug 30, 2016 • 7:50:08am

re: #210 The Vicious Babushka

what in the utter fuck

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I’d prefer “returning” him to Europe.

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Sir John Barron  Aug 30, 2016 • 7:50:17am

re: #212 FormerDirtDart

What The Actual FUCK…

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Well, the American Colonization Society has been rather lax lately.

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ObserverArt  Aug 30, 2016 • 7:50:42am

re: #173 Dr. Matt

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Rick Perry on Dancing with the Stars is a sure sign his political career is officially over.

This is a good thing.

Bring on the mockery.

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lawhawk  Aug 30, 2016 • 7:50:50am

So, about that so called KKK Grand Dragon who supposedly donated to Clinton.

This is all KKK trolling - not only to get name out there, but to cast aspersions on Clinton while backing Trump.

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Stanley Sea  Aug 30, 2016 • 7:50:55am

From May

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lawhawk  Aug 30, 2016 • 7:52:06am

re: #212 FormerDirtDart

re: #210 The Vicious Babushka

I’m going to go with…

How entirely… predictable in the Trump surrogate WTF moments.

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Anymouse  Aug 30, 2016 • 7:54:09am

On the wingnut butthurt over the football player who will not stand for the National Anthem, I wonder:

How many —

a) fly a flag that is torn or soiled
b) fly a flag at night without illumination
c) fly the flag in foul weather

These are actual violations of the Flag Code. As a liberal who maintains the flags in my village and on my home, I know this.

Then there is the question of how many of these wingnuts fly the Dixie Swastika, a flag of a group of traitors who actually took up arms against the nation (the actual definition of treason in the Constitution).

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sagehen  Aug 30, 2016 • 7:58:43am

re: #213 Belafon

That’s a suggestion to run to both families. They could even change the name.

We could call it the D ex-Presidents Foundation.

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Belafon  Aug 30, 2016 • 8:02:51am

re: #222 sagehen

We could call it the D ex-Presidents Foundation.

I was thinking The Obama Foundation to continue blowing Republican heads, but yours works, too.

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Anymouse  Aug 30, 2016 • 8:08:04am

G’night y’all (well, it’s actually morning in mythical Mountain Time Zone, but you get the idea). I have to get some sleep before I attend my county Democratic meeting this evening. (Yowzers! They actually sent me a post card, handwritten even, requesting my presence. They finally figured out there in fact is a Democrat elected to office here after four freakin’ years.)

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lawhawk  Aug 30, 2016 • 8:16:59am

Oh Drudge, never change:

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A wild WITHAK appeared!  Aug 30, 2016 • 8:18:52am

re: #225 lawhawk

But, Hillary is embracing another woman. Clearly, she is a lesbian.

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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 30, 2016 • 8:19:13am

Oh yeah this memo is totally legit //
Donald J Trump Jr retweeted:

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Timothy Watson  Aug 30, 2016 • 8:19:20am

re: #225 lawhawk

Oh Drudge, never change:

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LIES HILLARY JUST LIKES WEIRD COSPLAY!1!!

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lizardofid  Aug 30, 2016 • 8:21:18am

re: #207 Jenner7

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Hmm, sounds awfully familiar….

You know, It’s been a few days now since the incident in Nice that brought all this out in to the light. I may not have mentioned it, but if back in the day, the police had treated my mother, the way that lady was treated that day, it may well have radicalized an 18 year old me. Just sayin.

Oh, and good morning everyone!

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Timothy Watson  Aug 30, 2016 • 8:21:58am

re: #227 The Vicious Babushka

Oh yeah this memo is totally legit //
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How would that even work? Rig the polls so Hillary is up by more…to what point and purpose? To be like Mitt Romney who paid pollsters to lie to him?

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Jenner7  Aug 30, 2016 • 8:22:03am
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nines09  Aug 30, 2016 • 8:25:42am

Meanwhile, back at the trough…..

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Belafon  Aug 30, 2016 • 8:27:20am

re: #232 nines09

Meanwhile, back at the trough…..

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While I don’t think it should cost $300, you also have to pay for the pen, which is a nontrivial mechanism for quickly delivering the medicine.

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Sherlock Hound  Aug 30, 2016 • 8:27:22am

re: #99 Targetpractice

Johnson’s of the “Small enough to drown in a bathtub” variety of conservative, while Stein so far has done everything possible to convince me she’s what it would like to have the high school mean girl run for the presidency.

No. Stein reminds me much more of a type that is too common in my state. She is the Neighborhood Activist Who Knows It All. Last summer, one of the neighborhoods in my city had a VERY bitter dispute over, of all things, cobblestones.

Jill would have fit right in with an obligatory speech about the dangers of WiFi that would be totally off-topic for the meeting. But of course, she CARES!

It’s a Massachusetts thing. I guarantee we Massholes see right through it.

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Belafon  Aug 30, 2016 • 8:28:08am

re: #234 Sherlock Hound

No. Stein reminds me much more of a type that is too common in my state. She is the Neighborhood Activist Who Knows It All. Last summer, one of the neighborhoods in my city had a VERY bitter dispute over, of all things, cobblestones.

Jill would have fit right in with an obligatory speech about the dangers of WiFi that would be totally off-topic for the meeting. But of course, she CARES!

It’s a Massachusetts thing. I guarantee we Massholes see right through it.

She’d be an HOA president here in Texas.

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Timothy Watson  Aug 30, 2016 • 8:28:30am

re: #234 Sherlock Hound

No. Stein reminds me much more of a type that is too common in my state. She is the Neighborhood Activist Who Knows It All. Last summer, one of the neighborhoods in my city had a VERY bitter dispute over, of all things, cobblestones.

Jill would have fit right in with an obligatory speech about the dangers of WiFi that would be totally off-topic for the meeting. But of course, she CARES!

It’s a Massachusetts thing. I guarantee we Massholes see right through it.

You guys need to stop exporting those types to Virginia!

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sagehen  Aug 30, 2016 • 8:29:36am

re: #233 Belafon

While I don’t think it should cost $300, you also have to pay for the pen, which is a nontrivial mechanism for quickly delivering the medicine.

The injector costs about $3 to manufacture. And Mylan did not invent it; it was invented by the US Military, originally given to soldiers and filled with nerve gas antidote.

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nines09  Aug 30, 2016 • 8:30:01am

re: #233 Belafon

Read the article. “This is a 100-year-old drug in a 40-year-old injection technology that was invented in connection with Department of Defense projects, meaning that taxpayers already paid for a considerable amount of the research associated with this—with this product”

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Timothy Watson  Aug 30, 2016 • 8:30:17am

re: #237 sagehen

The injector costs about $3 to manufacture. And Mylan did not invent it; it was invented by the US Military, originally given to soldiers and filled with nerve gas antidote.

How did they get a patent on it if the military created the mechanism?

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Sir John Barron  Aug 30, 2016 • 8:30:33am

re: #231 Jenner7

FBI to release a report on the Hillary Clinton email investigation as soon as Wednesday cnn.com pic.twitter.com
— CNN

Media: both sides say racial stuff and raise money and do things and OMG FBI TO RELEASE REPORT FINALLY ON HILLARY EMAILS MAYBE THEY WILL RECOMMEND PROSECUTE!!!

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Belafon  Aug 30, 2016 • 8:31:02am

re: #235 Belafon

She’d be an HOA president here in Texas.

Our HOA has only had a quorum twice in the 15 years I’ve been in my house, and here’s the reason: One year, the HOA was hoping to get approval to buy golf carts so they could drive around easier and inspect people’s property. People were like, “Nope.” The first time a quorum was achieved was the first meeting, the second time was most recently, when the city put out the final plans for the city street that will run through our neighborhood.

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A wild WITHAK appeared!  Aug 30, 2016 • 8:31:55am

re: #233 Belafon

While I don’t think it should cost $300, you also have to pay for the pen, which is a nontrivial mechanism for quickly delivering the medicine.

Yup, the auto-injector is the whole point of the thing. Taking $1 worth of epinephrine in a different way, say orally, won’t have quite the life-saving effect of the pen.

The cost of these things is probably way too high, but as with all drugs, more than just the manufacturing-cost-per-unit needs to be taken into account to determine what the “fair” price is.

Edit: Apparently I have some reading to do.

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calochortus  Aug 30, 2016 • 8:32:19am

re: #239 Timothy Watson

How did they get a patent on it if the military created the mechanism?

Just a drive-by. I don’t know if this has been posted before, but I think it’s a good explanation of the situation.

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nines09  Aug 30, 2016 • 8:33:16am

re: #242 A wild WITHAK appeared!

Mylan has a near monopoly in the U.S., and the company has seen its profits from the EpiPen alone skyrocket to $1 billion a year. Meanwhile, Mylan CEO Heather Bresch’s total compensation has spiked from around $2.5 million in 2007 to almost $19 million today.

Market value?

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sagehen  Aug 30, 2016 • 8:34:22am

re: #239 Timothy Watson

How did they get a patent on it if the military created the mechanism?

They bought it.

Mylan’s other contribution was a lobbying and marketing campaign to ensure the pens would be stocked at restaurants, school nurses’ offices, on airplanes, etc.

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nines09  Aug 30, 2016 • 8:34:57am

The wholesale price of a single pen was about $47 in 2007, and it rose to $284 this summer, according to Richard Evans, a health care analyst at SSR. But consumers can no longer buy a single pen, so the retail price to fill a prescription today at Walgreens is about $633, according to GoodRX.

Via NPR

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bratwurst  Aug 30, 2016 • 8:35:37am

OH NOES!

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Belafon  Aug 30, 2016 • 8:38:09am

re: #247 bratwurst

OH NOES!

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lawhawk  Aug 30, 2016 • 8:39:21am

re: #233 Belafon

The costs for the meds are about $1. The cost for the injector is perhaps $10-20 for a pair. The injector was invented more than 20 years ago, which means it’s outside patent protection as well.

The whole kit can cost under $50 and still garner a significant profit for Mylan, especially since the pen is invaluable and critical to maintaining the health of those who have various allergies. The company has been pushing to have these pens required in schools and other public places in the same way that AEDs are required. I think that’s a good idea, but reality is that the company is gouging everyone, even with this so called generic version that is still $200 more than it was charging just a few years ago even as there’s no change in quality, costs to produce, or distribute. The only thing that’s changed is the company’s profit margins as a result of this product’s pricing being jacked through the roof.

Shareholders benefit. Everyone else feels that great big sucking sound as the injectors have to be replaced periodically since the meds expire. That means you’re talking about a permanent cost.

FYI: the injector was developed by Maryland company called Survival Technology in the 1970s by engineers who included a man named Sheldon Kaplan. The DoD adapted it for administering antidotes for nerve agents.

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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 30, 2016 • 8:40:18am

STUPIDEST MEME OF THE DAY==>

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Lidane  Aug 30, 2016 • 8:42:11am

The political savant known as Larry the Cable Guy has declared that Hillary will be the end of Murica. Wheee!

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Timothy Watson  Aug 30, 2016 • 8:42:18am

re: #245 sagehen

They bought it.

Mylan’s other contribution was a lobbying and marketing campaign to ensure the pens would be stocked at restaurants, school nurses’ offices, on airplanes, etc.

I was under the impression that something created by the government wasn’t subject to patent.

One thing that people ignore are the fixed costs of creating a plant to make a drug once the drug loses its patent protection.

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Belafon  Aug 30, 2016 • 8:43:00am

re: #249 lawhawk

The costs for the meds are about $1. The cost for the injector is perhaps $10-20 for a pair. The injector was invented more than 20 years ago, which means it’s outside patent protection as well.

The whole kit can cost under $50 and still garner a significant profit for Mylan, especially since the pen is invaluable and critical to maintaining the health of those who have various allergies. The company has been pushing to have these pens required in schools and other public places in the same way that AEDs are required. I think that’s a good idea, but reality is that the company is gouging everyone, even with this so called generic version that is still $200 more than it was charging just a few years ago even as there’s no change in quality, costs to produce, or distribute. The only thing that’s changed is the company’s profit margins as a result of this product’s pricing being jacked through the roof.

Shareholders benefit. Everyone else feels that great big sucking sound as the injectors have to be replaced periodically since the meds expire. That means you’re talking about a permanent cost.

FYI: the injector was developed by Maryland company called Survival Technology in the 1970s by engineers who included a man named Sheldon Kaplan. The DoD adapted it for administering antidotes for nerve agents.

I was responding to the fact that they mentioned $1 for the medicine. I guess my point was that it should have said something like “Why Are We Paying $300 for an EpiPen That Only Costs $30 To Manufacture?”

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A wild WITHAK appeared!  Aug 30, 2016 • 8:43:17am

re: #251 Lidane

The political savant known as Larry the Cable Guy has declared that Hillary will be the end of Murica. Wheee!

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Timothy Watson  Aug 30, 2016 • 8:43:47am

re: #249 lawhawk

One story says the price increases started just a couple years before the patent was set to expire with the explication that they were trying to milk the patent for as much as possible before it expired.

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Sir John Barron  Aug 30, 2016 • 8:44:03am

re: #243 calochortus

Just a drive-by. I don’t know if this has been posted before, but I think it’s a good explanation of the situation.

Thanks, I tweeted it as well since I may have outrage tweeted something a little less informed a few days ago.

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lawhawk  Aug 30, 2016 • 8:45:47am

re: #253 Belafon

I was responding to the fact that they mentioned $1 for the medicine. I guess my point was that it should have said something like “Why Are We Paying $300 for an EpiPen That Only Costs $30 To Manufacture?”

Marketing.

The same reason that slap an Apple logo on a phone and it suddenly is valued more than the price of a comparable product.

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FormerDirtDart  Aug 30, 2016 • 8:46:28am
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nines09  Aug 30, 2016 • 8:47:32am

re: #249 lawhawk

Shelf Life is short and very susceptible to heat and cold along with light. Must be replaced every 18 months. Short time for overall cost. But that’s a plus if you sell them with a virtual monopoly. I have bad, not life threatening, but bad breathing and swelling reactions to wasp stings. I used to keep them around, but I have insurance. Forget what they cost me. Just looked and mine expired in 8/14.

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Belafon  Aug 30, 2016 • 8:48:04am

re: #257 lawhawk

Marketing.

The same reason that slap an Apple logo on a phone and it suddenly is valued more than the price of a comparable product.

Agree.

The Epipen isn’t an Epipen without the pen part. The delivery system is just as important as the medicine in this case.

And yes, marketing and profits (and the ACA as Stonekettle talks about) have allowed the price to go way higher than it should have.

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Timothy Watson  Aug 30, 2016 • 8:52:56am

I am confused as to how anyone can blame the ACA for the price going up. The price I’ve seen quoted is the no insurance price, right?

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sagehen  Aug 30, 2016 • 8:53:40am

re: #260 Belafon

Agree.

The Epipen isn’t an Epipen without the pen part. The delivery system is just as important as the medicine in this case.

And yes, marketing and profits (and the ACA as Stonekettle talks about) have allowed the price to go way higher than it should have.

Insurance companies also have zero incentive to try to pressure manufacturers to keep prices from rising so fast. Part of ACA says the insurance companies have to spend 80% of their premiums on actual claims, no more than 20% of their revenue can be for their own overhead, salaries and profit. So raising the cost to the insurance company by $400 means the insurance company can raise their premiums by $500 and make an extra $100 profit for themselves.

Many of those premiums are subsidized now, raising the cost to the taxpayer. So the insurance company has higher profits, the pharma company has higher profits, salaries to the insurance co and pharma top management are raised…. and now all of them can whine about why are their taxes so high to pay for health care for the moochers. Everybody gets a talking point.

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lawhawk  Aug 30, 2016 • 8:56:18am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 30, 2016 • 8:59:02am

re: #263 lawhawk

Limbaugh on Trump’s deportation flip-flop: “I never took him seriously on this”

another one for the Trump generator:
EVEN RUSH DOESN’T TAKE HIM SERIOUSLY

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lawhawk  Aug 30, 2016 • 9:00:32am

re: #264 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Indeed

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nines09  Aug 30, 2016 • 9:01:16am

re: #261 Timothy Watson

I just read Stonekettle, and I see no finger pointed or mention of ACA as having anything whatsoever to do with the cost. CONGRESS on the other hand, could do something, but when you are trying to kill an entire ACA, why do anything? The crux of the entire argument is Mylan deserves to make a profit. But this smells to high heaven, and anyone who can add knows it. And anyone who knows what a clusterf^^k our Congress is, knows it could be fixed if they were not trying to purposely sabotage Obama. Or any other Democrat for that matter.

Mine are expired. It’s fall soon and the ground wasps will be scavenging. I have had difficulty when hit by them, but that was a few years back. Don’t know what my reaction would be now. Should I roll the dice like the last year? I might have to spring for a PAIR, since you cannot buy ONE.

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Belafon  Aug 30, 2016 • 9:01:52am

re: #261 Timothy Watson

I am confused as to how anyone can blame the ACA for the price going up. The price I’ve seen quoted is the no insurance price, right?

See #262.

There’s nothing in the ACA keeping the costs of medicine in check, thus it actually benefits the health insurance companies if the price of medicine goes up.

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lawhawk  Aug 30, 2016 • 9:02:37am

re: #266 nines09

Alternatively, there is the multidose vial and regular injectors that you could get that would cost far less (but you’d have to get trained on how to do this). Not nearly as simple as the epipen.

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A wild WITHAK appeared!  Aug 30, 2016 • 9:02:51am

Having never been stung by a bee/wasp/whathaveyou, I have always dreaded that I would find out the hard way that I’m severely allergic to their stings. $300 is a lot to pay for peace of mind of that sort.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 30, 2016 • 9:04:08am

re: #269 A wild WITHAK appeared!

Having never been stung by a bee/wasp/whathaveyou, I have always dreaded that I would find out the hard way that I’m severely allergic to their stings. $300 is a lot to pay for peace of mind of that sort.

But it brings peace of mind to a lot of pharma executives and stockholders

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nines09  Aug 30, 2016 • 9:04:25am

re: #268 lawhawk

Yes. My wife found that. Vial and syringe. Jam it in the upper thigh I believe, as the Epi. Thanks.

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nines09  Aug 30, 2016 • 9:04:56am

re: #267 Belafon

You spell CONGRESS as ACA?

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Aug 30, 2016 • 9:06:47am

Trump Campaign Expands To Get Help Saying Offensive Things

you’re not really with trump until you apologize on national tv

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Belafon  Aug 30, 2016 • 9:09:41am

re: #272 nines09

You spell CONGRESS as ACA?

Which is Stonekettle’s point, #243.

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Sir John Barron  Aug 30, 2016 • 9:11:35am

re: #263 lawhawk

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so nothing really matters. Rusty has made a lot of money to tell people basically nothing for the past few decades.

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Aug 30, 2016 • 9:12:23am

Trump Handlers Vow Candidate Will Refrain From Biting Head Off Live Chicken At Debate

aim to present “highly managable sociopath” at debate to reassure wavering american voters

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Nyet  Aug 30, 2016 • 9:14:27am

re: #215 Belafon

I’d prefer “returning” him to Europe.

Since he has no roots in Europe, why would you want return him to Europe?

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FormerDirtDart  Aug 30, 2016 • 9:14:28am
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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 30, 2016 • 9:15:09am

re: #215 Belafon

I’d prefer “returning” him to Europe.

Let’s “return” him to Mt. Doom in Mordor.

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Belafon  Aug 30, 2016 • 9:15:42am

re: #277 Nyet

Since he has no roots in Europe, why would you want return him to Europe?

Well, if we can return blacks to Africa, why can’t we return him to Europe?

I’m making the same argument he’s making.

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FormerDirtDart  Aug 30, 2016 • 9:15:43am
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Timothy Watson  Aug 30, 2016 • 9:16:53am

re: #266 nines09

Now, a side effect of this increase in availability, combined with unforeseen side effects with the ACA, resulted in massive price increases for the EpiPen. Some of which was deliberate on the part of Mylan, but not all.

And the usual crowd is also blaming the ACA because of high deductible plans.

But it ignores the fact that the company has raised the base price of the Epipens. More people on insurance should allow the insurance companies to get discounts from the company. E.g.: “I got 500,000 more people buying Epipens. My company wants a discounted contract on them and we’re going to pass half that discount to our beneficiaries.”

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Nyet  Aug 30, 2016 • 9:17:18am

re: #280 Belafon

Well, if we can return blacks to Africa, why can’t we return him to Europe?

I’m making the same argument he’s making.

Why Europe?

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Sir John Barron  Aug 30, 2016 • 9:20:04am

re: #276 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

Trump Handlers Vow Candidate Will Refrain From Biting Head Off Live Chicken At Debate

aim to present “highly managable sociopath” at debate to reassure wavering american voters

Excellent, Trump is really trying hard at this presidenting thing, so why can’t Hillary show equal commitment by firing Huma, quitting the race herself because of the emails and the CF, and surrendering herself to prison somewhere.

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BlueSpotinAL  Aug 30, 2016 • 9:20:10am

re: #210 The Vicious Babushka

what in the utter fuck

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Ironically, the shortened link had the character string “Poe” in it.

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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 30, 2016 • 9:20:31am

Raging Trumporrhoid calls down a bunch of assholes I blocked years ago to harass me.

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Belafon  Aug 30, 2016 • 9:21:02am

re: #283 Nyet

You are correct. Talk about a bad assumption. I assumed an idiot that would talk like him would have been white.

I’ve explained to my kids before that just because most blacks voted for Obama, that you cannot assume that a particular black person has. But I didn’t think “send blacks back to Africa” was something that I would have to think a black person would say.

Well, that blows that up.

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Nyet  Aug 30, 2016 • 9:21:51am

re: #287 Belafon

Remember the ATLAH? ;)

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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 30, 2016 • 9:22:49am

re: #174 Sir John Barron

Mr. Fuji was pretty long-lived for WWE stars.

Well for one his prime wrestling days were before the 1980s when wrestlers started getting roided up.

Also most of his later career was spent as a manager, not a wrestler, hence less strain on the body.

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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 30, 2016 • 9:23:53am
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Sir John Barron  Aug 30, 2016 • 9:25:03am

re: #289 Eclectic Cyborg

Well for one his prime wrestling days were before the 1980s when wrestlers started getting roided up.

Also most of his later career was spent as a manager, not a wrestler, hence less strain on the body.

Yup, and yup.

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Nyet  Aug 30, 2016 • 9:25:37am

re: #290 The Vicious Babushka

WTF

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Skip Intro  Aug 30, 2016 • 9:28:05am

re: #290 The Vicious Babushka

“Honestly, they are the most crooked agency I’ve ever worked for, and I’ve worked for quite a few,” said Rachel Blais.

Trump never changes.

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Le Lapin Tueur  Aug 30, 2016 • 9:29:35am

re: #269 A wild WITHAK appeared!

Having never been stung by a bee/wasp/whathaveyou, I have always dreaded that I would find out the hard way that I’m severely allergic to their stings. $300 is a lot to pay for peace of mind of that sort.

If you look at it from a risk perspective, it’s a very simple analysis:

Your risk analysis says that not having a rapid mechanism to mediate an allergic reaction is extremely bad - the end point is death.

Your risk economics says the (current) fixed cost is $300/pen which needs to be replaced every X months or when consumed.

So, your risk manager has a very simple conclusion. It’s worth it if you want to stay alive.

This doesn’t take into account any of the aspects such as can you afford it vs. is the cost reasonable within the stricture of the company making a reasonable profit. But, that is not what risk analysis is about.

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Stanley Sea  Aug 30, 2016 • 9:30:59am

re: #278 FormerDirtDart

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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 30, 2016 • 9:35:10am
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GlutenFreeJesus  Aug 30, 2016 • 9:36:31am

Tempted to post this on my FB wall without comment.

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Sir John Barron  Aug 30, 2016 • 9:36:57am

re: #296 The Vicious Babushka

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sagehen  Aug 30, 2016 • 9:40:13am

re: #284 Sir John Barron

Excellent, Trump is really trying hard at this presidenting thing, so why can’t Hillary show equal commitment by firing Huma, quitting the race herself because of the emails and the CF, and surrendering herself to prison somewhere.

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They’re having trouble finding a moderator for the 9/26 debate, because Trump is whining about it having to be someone who’ll be “fair” to him.

He’s running an affirmative action campaign; we should give extra points for effort because he’s new to politics and doesn’t have the background. But god forbid a university should give 3% of their freshman slots to people whose test scores or previous track record suggests we’re taking a chance on someone who hasn’t yet proved himself qualified.

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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 30, 2016 • 9:42:44am

re: #299 sagehen

They’re having trouble finding a moderator for the 9/26 debate, because Trump is whining about it having to be someone who’ll be “fair” to him.

He’s running an affirmative action campaign; we should give extra points for effort because he’s new to politics and doesn’t have the background. But god forbid a university should give 3% of their freshman slots to people whose test scores or previous track record suggests we’re taking a chance on someone who hasn’t yet proved himself qualified.

Trump defines “fair” as someone who will polish his balls, like Sean Hannity or SMOTI.

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Dr Lizardo  Aug 30, 2016 • 9:44:58am

re: #299 sagehen

They’re having trouble finding a moderator for the 9/26 debate, because Trump is whining about it having to be someone who’ll be “fair” to him.

He’s running an affirmative action campaign; we should give extra points for effort because he’s new to politics and doesn’t have the background. But god forbid a university should give 3% of their freshman slots to people whose test scores or previous track record suggests we’re taking a chance on someone who hasn’t yet proved himself qualified.

I’d love to do it. Nothing in life would perhaps give me greater pleasure than to expose Mr. Trump for the fraud that he is on live national television.

I’d have him crying like a toddler. Moderator? I’d be more like an interrogator.

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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 30, 2016 • 9:45:26am
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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 30, 2016 • 9:50:01am

re: #297 GlutenFreeJesus

Tempted to post this on my FB wall without comment.

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Not presuming to know your point, but I gotta say I’m sensing a lot of racism in the reaction to Kaepernick’s protest. A lot of “We paid you $119 Million, what do you have to complain about?”

Comes across as “Dance, monkey, dance!”

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Dr. Matt  Aug 30, 2016 • 9:52:49am

re: #303 Blind Frog Belly White

Not presuming to know your point, but I gotta say I’m sensing a lot of racism in the reaction to Kaepernick’s protest. A lot of “We paid you $119 Million, what do you have to complain about?”

Comes across as “Dance, monkey, dance!”

If Kaepernick was a White Christian male protesting the same way in opposition to Obama “big government overreach” (or some other fantastical faux outrage), the right-wing would be making him out to be a hero.

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makeitstop  Aug 30, 2016 • 9:53:12am

Mother Jones has been putting in the work on Trump. They’ve got a daily feature called ‘The Trump Files,’ and the stories are equal parts hilarious and creepy.

This one’s pretty insane: Watch a Clip of the Awful TV Show Drumpf Wanted to Make About Himself

There’s video at the link, but it’s so amateurish I have to assume it’s parody.

(Isn’t it?)

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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 30, 2016 • 9:53:56am

re: #303 Blind Frog Belly White

Interestingly, a lot of it is coming from folks whom I would not identify as racist, who even support BLM, or at least the IDEA of BLM. Something about black athletes who are highly paid, that they should shut up because society has been good to them, rather than seeing it as “I’ve reached a position of prominence, where if I protest, people might pay attention.”

Really shows how deep the racism in society runs. We feel like if we pay people enough, they give up their right to an opinion that isn’t “Gosh, everything is just so GREAT!!!”

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Belafon  Aug 30, 2016 • 9:54:00am

re: #304 Dr. Matt

If Kaepernick was a White Christian male protesting the same way in opposition to Obama “big government overreach” persecution for being a Christian (or some other fantastical faux outrage), the right-wing would be making him out to be a hero.

There’s a history of that.

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TK-421  Aug 30, 2016 • 9:54:00am

Life saving $5 pens cost $600 because far too many people have deluded themselves that what they do in life is important. When in fact they would be less of a drain on society digging and filling holes. Specifically, the insurance industry.

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TK-421  Aug 30, 2016 • 9:55:04am

Go to a baseball game, see the thousands of dudebros with their stupid fucking BA’s ball caps on during the anthem? Nuf said.

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FormerDirtDart  Aug 30, 2016 • 9:56:22am

It’s relatively easy to determine which people replying to this tweet didn’t see fit to even glance at the article

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Nyet  Aug 30, 2016 • 9:57:03am

re: #304 Dr. Matt

If Kaepernick was a White Christian male protesting the same way in opposition to Obama “big government overreach” (or some other fantastical faux outrage), the right-wing would be making him out to be a hero.

See: Bundy ranch thugs.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 30, 2016 • 9:57:06am

re: #304 Dr. Matt

If Kaepernick was a White Christian male protesting the same way in opposition to Obama “big government overreach” (or some other fantastical faux outrage), the right-wing would be making him out to be a hero.

Tebow, anyone?

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Belafon  Aug 30, 2016 • 9:57:09am

re: #306 Blind Frog Belly White

Interestingly, a lot of it is coming from folks whom I would not identify as racist, who even support BLM, or at least the IDEA of BLM. Something about black athletes who are highly paid, that they should shut up because society has been good to them, rather than seeing it as “I’ve reached a position of prominence, where if I protest, people might pay attention.”

Really shows how deep the racism in society runs. We feel like if we pay people enough, they give up their right to an opinion that isn’t “Gosh, everything is just so GREAT!!!”

Which is also why, when an actor makes a statement, we can’t just dismiss it out of hand with “why should they get more attention.” They get a bigger megaphone just because.

Edited.

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lawhawk  Aug 30, 2016 • 9:58:33am

What else is there to say. Hoft thinks that this is either a positive development, or thinks that his supporters/trolls should overwhelm the guy.

I’ll go with both:

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Nyet  Aug 30, 2016 • 9:59:55am

re: #310 FormerDirtDart

People absolutely do reform. One of my co-bloggers is a former denier. One of the experts on European and Russian fascists I know is a former fascist. Always give a chance.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Aug 30, 2016 • 10:00:08am

re: #303 Blind Frog Belly White

Yup. Keep hearing “What does he know? He was raised by white adoptive parents and is a millionaire”. As if any of that makes racism not a thing. Or something.

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makeitstop  Aug 30, 2016 • 10:01:44am

re: #312 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Tebow, anyone?

Bingo.

I saw a meme on FB yesterday which went something like this:

‘Tim Tebow does this (pic of him praying), media criticizes him non-stop. Colin Kaepernick disgraces the flag, media silent.’

I mean, dude. It’s been the goddamn lead story everywhere for nearly a week now. But those inside the Bubble O’Derp could have Rush or some other douche tell them that the media is being silent and it’s as good as gospel.

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FormerDirtDart  Aug 30, 2016 • 10:02:53am

Florida Man. No one else will ever be like Florida Man…

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Dr Lizardo  Aug 30, 2016 • 10:05:04am

re: #315 Nyet

People absolutely do reform. One of my co-bloggers is a former denier. One of the experts on European and Russian fascists I know is a former fascist. Always give a chance.

And who could perhaps better explain the motivations and rationale behind Islamic extremism than a former extremist? It’s actually quite logical when considered rationally.

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TK-421  Aug 30, 2016 • 10:05:06am

The NFL is practically a recruiting tool. Fuck their fake ass patriotism.

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FormerDirtDart  Aug 30, 2016 • 10:06:07am

But, talking to Cuba and Iran will always be TREASON!!!

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 30, 2016 • 10:06:21am

re: #317 makeitstop

Bingo.

I saw a meme on FB yesterday which went something like this:

‘Tim Tebow does this (pic of him praying), media criticizes him non-stop. Colin Kaepernick disgraces the flag, media silent.’

I mean, dude. It’s been the goddamn lead story everywhere for nearly a week now. But those inside the Bubble O’Derp could have Rush or some other douche tell them that the media is being silent and it’s as good as gospel.

If they equate “massive flap in social media/blogosphere” with “media” then they really do live in their own version of reality

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Nyet  Aug 30, 2016 • 10:08:14am

re: #318 FormerDirtDart

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

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KGxvi  Aug 30, 2016 • 10:09:12am

re: #317 makeitstop

Bingo.

I saw a meme on FB yesterday which went something like this:

‘Tim Tebow does this (pic of him praying), media criticizes him non-stop. Colin Kaepernick disgraces the flag, media silent.’

I mean, dude. It’s been the goddamn lead story everywhere for nearly a week now. But those inside the Bubble O’Derp could have Rush or some other douche tell them that the media is being silent and it’s as good as gospel.

The funniest part of that is that the media never criticized Tebow for praying - a lot of normal people turned “Tebowing” into a thing for a while, but that was it. The (sports) media criticized Tebow for being a below average NFL quarterback; the wider media talked about him incessantly because he was immensely popular despite being a below average NFL quaterback.

Likewise, what has annoyed me about the Kaepernick stuff is that all the criticism has been about the mechanics and nothing has been said about the reason for it. Of course, this makes sense, because it would mean (white) people would have to have a conversation about race and nothing makes them more uncomfortable than that.

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Nyet  Aug 30, 2016 • 10:10:17am

re: #319 Dr Lizardo

And, not to equate but to illustrate, this blog has reformed quite radically too.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 30, 2016 • 10:10:44am

re: #324 KGxvi

The funniest part of that is that the media never criticized Tebow for praying - a lot of normal people turned “Tebowing” into a thing for a while, but that was it. The (sports) media criticized Tebow for being a below average NFL quarterback; the wider media talked about him incessantly because he was immensely popular despite being a below average NFL quaterback.

Likewise, what has annoyed me about the Kaepernick stuff is that all the criticism has been about the mechanics and nothing has been said about the reason for it. Of course, this makes sense, because it would mean (white) people would have to have a conversation about race and nothing makes them more uncomfortable than that.

The War on Tebow was treated like the War on Christmas: a lot of flap to demonstrate to “good Christians” that their religion was under attack by the forces of cynical, militant secularism.

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FormerDirtDart  Aug 30, 2016 • 10:12:47am

re: #317 makeitstop

Bingo.

I saw a meme on FB yesterday which went something like this:

‘Tim Tebow does this (pic of him praying), media criticizes him non-stop. Colin Kaepernick disgraces the flag, media silent.’

I mean, dude. It’s been the goddamn lead story everywhere for nearly a week now. But those inside the Bubble O’Derp could have Rush or some other douche tell them that the media is being silent and it’s as good as gospel.

re: #322 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

If they equate “massive flap in the RW blogosphere” with “media” then they really do live in their own version of reality

Also, it seems that never mentioned is that Kaepernick didn’t go out and make a public statement. He merely sat out the anthem, and honestly answered questions when the media came running. He had actually just finished his turn at the post-game presser (never said anything about anthem) when he was approached one-on-one by a correspondent from the NFL Network.

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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 30, 2016 • 10:13:19am

BUT THEY WERE ENTERED INTO A LOTTERY TO BECOME THE NEXT MRS. TRUMP!!!!!!

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Timothy Watson  Aug 30, 2016 • 10:16:27am

re: #328 The Vicious Babushka

BUT THEY WERE ENTERED INTO A LOTTERY TO BECOME THE NEXT MRS. TRUMP!!!!!!

Sounds like a horror movie plot. Or Taken 4.

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Decatur Deb  Aug 30, 2016 • 10:16:35am

re: #328 The Vicious Babushka

BUT THEY WERE ENTERED INTO A LOTTERY TO BECOME THE NEXT MRS. TRUMP!!!!!!

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Nyet  Aug 30, 2016 • 10:17:20am

re: #9 FormerDirtDart

Quite a damning article showing that either Rush did take Trump seriously on immigration and lies now, or did not and lied then.

theatlantic.com

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lizardofid  Aug 30, 2016 • 10:18:13am

re: #310 FormerDirtDart

It’s relatively easy to determine which people replying to this tweet didn’t see fit to even glance at the article

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NPR did an interview with him, (I think it was on last night) he’s an interesting case. He comes across as either, incredibly sincere in his rejection of his previously held ideology, or an incredibly effective actor. I had the distinct feeling that accurately discerning which was probably above my pay grade. Either way, he has a wealth of experience that would make him a unique asset, and seemed scary smart.

ymmv

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plansbandc  Aug 30, 2016 • 10:19:27am

When Tebow is mentioned on FB or ESPN or pretty much any place online, there are always comments saying he was drummed out of the NFL for being a Christian. Seriously. Not his lack of talent at QB. No no. He’s an all pro talent who has been black balled by the NFL for being too Christian.

When he played for the Broncos, I would talk to people who KNEW he was going to be a better QB than John Elway. Hardcore Christian Republican blinders on for sure.

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Sir John Barron  Aug 30, 2016 • 10:20:01am

re: #317 makeitstop

Bingo.

I saw a meme on FB yesterday which went something like this:

‘Tim Tebow does this (pic of him praying), media criticizes him non-stop. Colin Kaepernick disgraces the flag, media silent.’

I mean, dude. It’s been the goddamn lead story everywhere for nearly a week now. But those inside the Bubble O’Derp could have Rush or some other douche tell them that the media is being silent and it’s as good as gospel.

also not sure where media ever criticized Tebo praying, since almost every player does the kneel down prayer after every score anyway.

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lawhawk  Aug 30, 2016 • 10:20:46am

re: #331 Nyet

New theorems and rules:

Trump’s Cat: He simultaneously is both straight talking and a mealy mouthed skin job who has taken all positions and no positions.

Trump’s Razor: (multiple definitions) including:
1) If he’s mentioning statistics, odds are he’s lying.
2) If he’s talking about minority outreach, it is a dog whistle meant to energize the white nationalists/white supremacists, not to gain support from minorities.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 30, 2016 • 10:22:34am

re: #290 The Vicious Babushka

See and that’s the two faced thing when it comes to illegal immigration.

The GOP line on illegal immigration is that illegal immigration is bad because those immigrants are coming to America and taking jobs from good hard working Americans.

In fact, immigrants are doing jobs that “good hard working Americans” either don’t want to do or don’t want to do for a low wage.

Sure, you could get Americans to pick berries in a field and pay them $10/hour but then the price of berries goes up and people start bitching about the cost increase and - guess what- they’ll start buying their berries from some other guy who is still using illegal labor and still selling cheap. Free market, indeed.

The American consumer economy is built on low prices. A lot of the time you can’t have low prices without someone on the supply chain getting screwed.

This country would screech to a halt if all the illegal immigrants just disappeared.

Consider a well paid company executive in town for a business meeting. Who do you think:

- is changing the sheets on the bed in her hotel room?

- is driving the Uber vehicle that’s taking her to dinner?

- picked the vegetables that are now steamed alongside the steak on her plate?

- Cleaned the floors and windows in the conference room where the meeting took place?

- Picks the trash up on the street in front of the hotel?

Illegal immigrants do all these jobs and so much more each day in America, but a lot of us don’t even notice.

Companies love illegal labor. They have absolute power over these workers. You eat where they tell you, live where they tell you, pay what they tell you and oh? Any passport or ID you have? They’ll take it from you as a deterrent to keep you from running away or seeking work elsewhere. Step out of line and here comes INS!

In addition, with illegal labor, all compensation is under the table. There’s no taxes, no insurance, no labor protections, no incentive for the companies to do anything for these people besides exploit them for maximum gain.

And as long as we maintain our addiction to low, low prices, this cycle will continue.

America, fuck yeah…

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lawhawk  Aug 30, 2016 • 10:23:13am

re: #333 plansbandc

When Tebow is mentioned on FB or ESPN or pretty much any place online, there are always comments saying he was drummed out of the NFL for being a Christian. Seriously. Not his lack of talent at QB. No no. He’s an all pro talent who has been black balled by the NFL for being too Christian.

When he played for the Broncos, I would talk to people who KNEW he was going to be a better QB than John Elway. Hardcore Christian Republican blinders on for sure.

Always commenters who ignore that anyone who studies quarterbacks knows that Tebow had awful mechanics and his physicality was limited by fact that he couldn’t get the ball downfield to open up the field for his running. He led runners and gave away who he was throwing too, and all too often left his WRs out to hang. The teams had to go with 2 TE sets and 2 WRs, to provide additional protection while he tried to make something happen (which didn’t).

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Nyet  Aug 30, 2016 • 10:24:51am
Managers tried to get Putin to leave but he refused.

Are you *really* sure it’s a different guy?

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TK-421  Aug 30, 2016 • 10:25:07am

Immigrants should be paid well for their labor. I care not that you have to pay more for fruit.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 30, 2016 • 10:25:30am

re: #336 Eclectic Cyborg

Companies love illegal labor. They have absolute power over these workers. You eat where they tell you, live where they tell you, pay what they tell you and oh? Any passport or ID you have? They’ll take it from you as a deterrent to keep you from running away or seeking work elsewhere. Step out of line and here comes INS!

In addition, with illegal labor, all compensation is under the table. There’s no taxes, no insurance, no labor protections, no incentive for the companies to do anything for these people besides exploit them for maximum gain.

Which is why there will never be comprehensive immigration reform. Too many moneyed interests opposed to it. Instead, we will get a patchwork of “solutions” that just kick the can down the road or even make things worse.

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Dr. Matt  Aug 30, 2016 • 10:25:38am

re: #333 plansbandc

When Tebow is mentioned on FB or ESPN or pretty much any place online, there are always comments saying he was drummed out of the NFL for being a Christian. Seriously. Not his lack of talent at QB. No no. He’s an all pro talent who has been black balled by the NFL for being too Christian.

When he played for the Broncos, I would talk to people who KNEW he was going to be a better QB than John Elway. Hardcore Christian Republican blinders on for sure.

Yeah, because Tebow was the first openly Christian to ever play in the NFL.

He played on 4 different teams in five years. That pretty much sums up his NFL “cred”.

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FormerDirtDart  Aug 30, 2016 • 10:25:38am

OK, I’m off to go vote.
But, as a Florida Indy not much on the ballot. Two Circuit judgeship’s, a re-directing of a half-cent sales tax to now cover the city underfunded pension liability, while also requiring increased participation/contribution by employees. And a state constitutional amendment to exempt solar/renewable energy devices from taxation and assessment…

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 30, 2016 • 10:26:33am

re: #339 TK-421

Immigrants should be paid well for their labor. I care not that you have to pay more for fruit.

If our legal workers have to pay more for fruit, then they will start complaining about their own wages…

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TK-421  Aug 30, 2016 • 10:27:17am

See, I would love to have a maid. But I don’t. Why? Because I don’t make enough money. And if I could only pay the maid substandard wages, I still can’t afford it. So your broke ass should watch your own fucking kids or stop being a cheapskate.

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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 30, 2016 • 10:27:37am

Seriously can anyone imagine Hillary talking like this?

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sagehen  Aug 30, 2016 • 10:28:08am

re: #335 lawhawk

New theorems and rules:

Trump’s Cat: He simultaneously is both straight talking and a mealy mouthed skin job who has taken all positions and no positions.

Trump’s Razor: (multiple definitions) including:
1) If he’s mentioning statistics, odds are he’s lying.
2) If he’s talking about minority outreach, it is a dog whistle meant to energize the white nationalists/white supremacists, not to gain support from minorities.

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TK-421  Aug 30, 2016 • 10:29:46am

That’s like, I don’t care that you have cheap shit to buy at Walmart. Your cheap shit, costs me money because you don’t want to pay labor so I have to pay higher taxes for food stamps.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 30, 2016 • 10:30:46am

I’m a legal immigrant, but I am still an immigrant and I take immigrant issues seriously.

I get so fucking tired of RWNJ style “True blue, red blooded Americans” saying shit about immigrants, illegal or otherwise, that isn’t true.

I work my ass off every day for myself and my family, I don’t take anything this country offers for granted and I am anything but lazy. Lazy is people who sit on a couch in front of a TV all day watching Fox News and bitching about immigrants who come here and do nothing but live off the government.

The road of an immigrant is one you can’t understand unless you’ve walked it. Don’t try to fucking tell me what I should or shouldn’t be and I’ll give you the same courtesy, okay?

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TK-421  Aug 30, 2016 • 10:31:38am

20 years in the federal pen for employing illegals and immediate confiscation of your profits. Its the business community that’s full of fucking thieves.

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Nyet  Aug 30, 2016 • 10:31:49am

re: #345 The Vicious Babushka

What’s he hiding?

Dr Evil - Why make trillions when we can make… Billions

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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 30, 2016 • 10:32:28am

re: #349 TK-421

20 years in the federal pen for employing illegals and immediate confiscation of your profits. Its the business community that’s full of fucking thieves.

Yeah, but the lobbyists would kill any incentive like that so fast it would probably never make the news.

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sagehen  Aug 30, 2016 • 10:33:20am

re: #336 Eclectic Cyborg

The American consumer economy is built on low prices. A lot of the time you can’t have low prices without someone on the supply chain getting screwed.

This country would screech to a halt if all the illegal immigrants just disappeared.

A few years ago Georgia passed some draconian anti-illegal-immigrant legislation, to try to scare them out of the state.

It worked so well, the crops rotted in the fields. Farmers tried bringing in busloads of unemployed city people, they tried convict labor, none of which worked at all. Turns out, picking peaches is an actual skill. And since the pay is per bucket rather than per hour, the legal American novice pickers were making about $3/hr, most of which went to the bus company, and by the third day they weren’t showing up.

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TK-421  Aug 30, 2016 • 10:33:25am

No one is more coddled in this world than the american business man. No one.

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ObserverArt  Aug 30, 2016 • 10:33:48am

So, is this Trump Modeling Agency thing a September surprise?

And, we still have a month to go for the October edition.

It will be interesting to see how it is dealt with by the media.

The Clinton Foundation is a big “thing” but it has nothing in it that goes against Hillary’s beliefs and her proposed policies.

Where the modeling revelation flies totally in the face of what Trump stands for.*

More creative excuse making coming.

*Though it should be obvious all he stands for is getting over on people for monetary rewards.

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Sir John Barron  Aug 30, 2016 • 10:36:20am

re: #354 ObserverArt

So, is this Trump Modeling Agency thing a September surprise?

And, we still have a month to go for the October edition.

It will be interesting to see how it is dealt with by the media.

The Clinton Foundation is a big “thing” but it has nothing in it that goes against Hillary’s beliefs and her proposed policies.

Where the modeling revelation flies totally in the face of what Trump stands for.*

More creative excuse making coming.

*Though it should be obvious all he stands for is getting over on people for monetary rewards.

Trump replaced his Russian stooge campaign manager with the head of Breitbart and the media is all like “well what about the Clinton Foundation and emails and our press conferences?”

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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 30, 2016 • 10:38:26am

re: #352 sagehen

Exactly, now multiply that by 50 and imagine how badly Trumps immigration plan would fuck up this country.

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A wild WITHAK appeared!  Aug 30, 2016 • 10:38:46am

re: #354 ObserverArt

So, is this Trump Modeling Agency thing a September surprise?

And, we still have a month to go for the October edition.

It will be interesting to see how it is dealt with by the media.

The Clinton Foundation is a big “thing” but it has nothing in it that goes against Hillary’s beliefs and her proposed policies.

Where the modeling revelation flies totally in the face of what Trump stands for.*

More creative excuse making coming.

*Though it should be obvious all he stands for is getting over on people for monetary rewards.

What I want is a hard-hitting expose about how Trump is just funneling campaign cash back to his companies, his children, and himself — and honestly, just collecting what we already know about that topic in one article or report would be enough to move the needle, IMO.

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freetoken  Aug 30, 2016 • 10:39:44am

re: #355 Sir John Barron

The consumption habits of information, or “journalism”, has changed somewhat during my lifetime. I’m afraid that the internet’s effects on what we think of as “news” continues and I see no reason why that will stop.

I suspect that most of us, most of the time, are really looking to be entertained more than to be informed.

Escapism is at the heart of “entertainment” - we watch/listen to entertainment to escape the pains of the real world.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 30, 2016 • 10:40:43am

re: #357 A wild WITHAK appeared!

What I want is a hard-hitting expose about how Trump is just funneling campaign cash back to his companies, his children, and himself — and honestly, just collecting what we already know about that topic in one article or report would be enough to move the needle, IMO.

Not a chance. Media need something they can sell as a horse race, which means beating Hillary at every opportunity.

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Dr Lizardo  Aug 30, 2016 • 10:42:25am

re: #357 A wild WITHAK appeared!

What I want is a hard-hitting expose about how Trump is just funneling campaign cash back to his companies, his children, and himself — and honestly, just collecting what we already know about that topic in one article or report would be enough to move the needle, IMO.

Sounds like a job for 60 Minutes.

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TK-421  Aug 30, 2016 • 10:42:25am

Kareem Abdul-Jabbar has a thoughtful op-ed at Washpo. He is really something.

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lawhawk  Aug 30, 2016 • 10:44:04am
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Barefoot Grin  Aug 30, 2016 • 10:44:16am

re: #349 TK-421

20 years in the federal pen for employing illegals and immediate confiscation of your profits. Its the business community that’s full of fucking thieves.

There was an interesting “60 Minutes” last Sunday showing lawyers describing to the representative of some shady fictional African politician how to launder money through the US system (and consequently why the USA is the favored means for doing so). When asked if it was a problem, one lawyer basically said, ‘no, because we lawyers make the laws; we’re a privileged class’). The corruption runs deep.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 30, 2016 • 10:45:09am

re: #362 lawhawk

He does know Tim Cook is gay right?

//

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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 30, 2016 • 10:46:42am

Can you imagine Hillary talking like this in an interview?

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freetoken  Aug 30, 2016 • 10:50:15am

re: #362 lawhawk

He’s desperate to rekindle the “job creator” meme, just so that Republicans have something to talk about other than Drumpfskind.

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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 30, 2016 • 10:54:40am

THIS IS THE STUPIDEST THING YOU WILL READ ALL DAY==>

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lizardofid  Aug 30, 2016 • 10:56:46am

re: #358 freetoken

The consumption habits of information, or “journalism”, has changed somewhat during my lifetime. I’m afraid that the internet’s effects on what we think of as “news” continues and I see no reason why that will stop.

I suspect that most of us, most of the time, are really looking to be entertained more than to be informed.

Escapism is at the heart of “entertainment” - we watch/listen to entertainment to escape the pains of the real world.

“Amusing Ourselves to Death” by Neil Postman has a pretty good take on that.

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Lidane  Aug 30, 2016 • 10:57:09am

re: #367 The Vicious Babushka

Written by a Hucakbee team member:

theiowastatesman.com

Pratik Chougule - Policy Coordinator: Pratik served as a George W. Bush appointee at the State Department in the Office of the Under Secretary for Arms Control and International Security. He has helped a number of fmr. government officials with the writing and research of their memoirs. Chougule holds a J.D. from Yale Law School and an A.B., Phi Beta Kappa, from Brown University.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 30, 2016 • 10:59:26am

Got some idiot on my FB talking about how Hillary will not do good leading the country through a war because she will be prone to “mood swings” that will cloud her judgment and make her indecisive.

It just never stops with these people.

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TK-421  Aug 30, 2016 • 10:59:56am

Inefficiencies create jobs. Newsflash, your boss gives a flying fuck if you have a job. If you could be replaced by a turnip your shit would be at the curb tomorrow.

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freetoken  Aug 30, 2016 • 11:01:02am

re: #367 The Vicious Babushka

It may be “stupid” but I think it is also serious.

There is now serious cover being given to the alt-right folk by the supposed mainstream conservatives, who are trying to polish that t*rd.

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Sir John Barron  Aug 30, 2016 • 11:01:36am

re: #367 The Vicious Babushka

THIS IS THE STUPIDEST THING YOU WILL READ ALL DAY==>

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“smear”?

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lawhawk  Aug 30, 2016 • 11:01:53am

re: #370 Eclectic Cyborg

As opposed to Trump mood swings, which are far more extreme and as President is likely to nuke France or Germany or Turkey or Syria, just because he thinks that’s how to deal with IS.

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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 30, 2016 • 11:03:02am

re: #372 freetoken

It may be “stupid” but I think it is also serious.

There is now serious cover being given to the alt-right folk by the supposed mainstream conservatives, who are trying to polish that t*rd.

They are attempting to hide it by denying that it exists.

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Lidane  Aug 30, 2016 • 11:03:05am

re: #370 Eclectic Cyborg

Got some idiot on my FB talking about how Hillary will not do good leading the country through a war because she will be prone to “mood swings” that will cloud her judgment and make her indecisive.

It just never stops with these people.

Idiot DOES realize that Hillary likely hit menopause in the 90’s, right? The usual “bleeding out of her whatever” arguments don’t work on a woman that’s in her sixties.

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lawhawk  Aug 30, 2016 • 11:03:09am

That’s CNN employee Corey Lewandowski. Who still gets to avoid scrutiny for his cozy relationship with Trump.

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Nyet  Aug 30, 2016 • 11:03:14am

Trump is a very positive Christian.

/iykwim

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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 30, 2016 • 11:03:31am

re: #374 lawhawk

“Trump is a businessman, he’s used to making decisions under pressure.”

You just can’t reason with these people.

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freetoken  Aug 30, 2016 • 11:05:20am

re: #375 The Vicious Babushka

They are attempting to hide it by denying that it exists.

I think it is even worse than that. As the entry in The Hill gives example, there is an attempt to say that the alt-right is just anti-“political correctness”, instead of calling out the alt-right for its blatant bigotry.

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Belafon  Aug 30, 2016 • 11:05:29am

re: #379 Eclectic Cyborg

“Trump is a businessman, he’s used to making decisions under pressure.”

You just can’t reason with these people.

Bad decisions, but I guess they’re decisions.

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jaunte  Aug 30, 2016 • 11:07:20am

re: #367 The Vicious Babushka

THIS IS THE STUPIDEST THING YOU WILL READ ALL DAY==>

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“Pratik Chougule is the former Policy Coordinator to the presidential campaigns of Gov. Mike Huckabee and Donald Trump.”

Heckuva job, Pratik!

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Sir John Barron  Aug 30, 2016 • 11:07:35am

re: #380 freetoken

I think it is even worse than that. As the entry in The Hill gives example, there is an attempt to say that the alt-right is just anti-“political correctness”, instead of calling out the alt-right for its blatant bigotry.

So they’re embracing it then. Good. I think.

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lawhawk  Aug 30, 2016 • 11:07:37am

re: #379 Eclectic Cyborg

“Trump is a businessman, he’s used to making decisions under pressure.”

But they were all bad. /Arnold voice.

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freetoken  Aug 30, 2016 • 11:09:10am

re: #382 jaunte

Given how Pratik is trying to give the alt-right cover, this then shows that these people are on the inside of candidacies like Huckabee and Drumpfskind.

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jaunte  Aug 30, 2016 • 11:10:48am
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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 30, 2016 • 11:10:58am

TRUMP IS SHOCKED, SHOCKED TO LEARN THAT SOME OF HIS SUPPORTERS CALL HILLARY A “BITCH”

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Nyet  Aug 30, 2016 • 11:12:25am

re: #387 The Vicious Babushka

But again no condemnation.

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freetoken  Aug 30, 2016 • 11:12:34am

re: #387 The Vicious Babushka

But his crowds are getting “bigger and bigger”.

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Kragar  Aug 30, 2016 • 11:13:56am

re: #387 The Vicious Babushka

“Did you see the crowds are getting bigger?”

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freetoken  Aug 30, 2016 • 11:14:40am

re: #390 Kragar

… but not his hands.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 30, 2016 • 11:14:43am

re: #362 lawhawk

Paul Ryan:
The EU’s decision to slam a job creator with a giant tax bill years after the fact is awful

It is awful of Apple: they could have paid their taxes fairly and in full when they were due, and avoided this…

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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 30, 2016 • 11:16:53am

You got to to wonder what the people at Foxconn think of Apple’s “job creation” policies.

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lawhawk  Aug 30, 2016 • 11:16:59am
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Stanley Sea  Aug 30, 2016 • 11:19:57am

re: #365 The Vicious Babushka

Can you imagine Hillary talking like this in an interview?

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These interview excerpts are insane.

Such a no-nothing braggart.

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Charles Johnson  Aug 30, 2016 • 11:20:15am
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Timothy Watson  Aug 30, 2016 • 11:20:42am

re: #396 Charles Johnson

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Another Chuck bites the dust.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 30, 2016 • 11:23:59am

re: #397 Timothy Watson

Another Chuck bites the dust.

And another one gone and another one gone…

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Belafon  Aug 30, 2016 • 11:24:34am

re: #393 Eclectic Cyborg

You got to to wonder what the people at Foxconn think of Apple’s “job creation” policies.

What about Apple’s “Job” creation policies?

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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 30, 2016 • 11:25:01am

re: #399 Belafon

Well played, sir.

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lawhawk  Aug 30, 2016 • 11:25:05am
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Sir John Barron  Aug 30, 2016 • 11:27:36am

re: #396 Charles Johnson

And Chuck C. Johnson’s 21st sock puppet account is now history. @chuckhatescucks
— Charles Johnson

Getting banned by Twitter every day is no way to go through life, son….

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Dr Lizardo  Aug 30, 2016 • 11:28:43am

re: #402 Sir John Barron

Getting banned by Twitter every day is no way to go through life, son….

The Floorshitter will be back with another one in a day or so. And it’ll get banned and on and on ad infinitum.

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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 30, 2016 • 11:29:04am

My surprise. Let me show you it.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 30, 2016 • 11:29:40am

It’s like his daily fix. Go on Twitter for awhile, post shit, get the high, then get suspended, then do it all again tomorrow.

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jaunte  Aug 30, 2016 • 11:30:35am
Wayne Allen Root, who has spoken at presidential rallies with Donald Trump, this week called strip voting rights from welfare recipients and women who use “free contraception” provided by the Affordable Care Act.

We seem to be the single advanced democracy in the world in which the defense of voting rights is a constant battle.

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Jenner7  Aug 30, 2016 • 11:31:13am
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William Lewis  Aug 30, 2016 • 11:31:32am

Where’s that cartoon that shows a guy and gal talking - he says Hillary and Trump are the same and she says except for …?

I have a place it needs posting.

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wrenchwench  Aug 30, 2016 • 11:32:51am

re: #406 jaunte

Wayne Allen Root, who has spoken at presidential rallies with Donald Trump, this week called strip voting rights from welfare recipients and women who use “free contraception” provided by the Affordable Care Act.

We seem to be the single advanced democracy in the world in which the defense of voting rights is a constant battle.

Looks like the only women who can vote are pregnant. Do they get two?

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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 30, 2016 • 11:33:12am

re: #407 Jenner7

Some of the toughest women I know are Liberals. Go figure.

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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 30, 2016 • 11:33:14am

re: #408 William Lewis

Where’s that cartoon that shows a guy and gal talking - he says Hillary and Trump are the same and she says except for …?

I have a place it needs posting.

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William Lewis  Aug 30, 2016 • 11:33:56am

re: #411 The Vicious Babushka

Thanks!!!

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Sir John Barron  Aug 30, 2016 • 11:34:06am

re: #404 The Vicious Babushka

My surprise. Let me show you it.

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Just kidding. Didn’t really mean it. Don’t take it seriously. Words don’t mean anything. Nothing matters.

///

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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 30, 2016 • 11:34:43am

re: #413 Sir John Barron

Just kidding. Didn’t really mean it. Don’t take it seriously. Words don’t mean anything. Nothing matters.

///

TRUMP: WAYNE ALLEN ROOT, WHO IS HE I NEVER HEARD OF HIM

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jaunte  Aug 30, 2016 • 11:35:15am
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Kragar  Aug 30, 2016 • 11:35:26am
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Kragar  Aug 30, 2016 • 11:36:42am
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Flying Squirrel Girl  Aug 30, 2016 • 11:38:44am

re: #339 TK-421

I’ve argued for years that some conservative should start a construction company that uses only Americans as their labor force. I mean, they are so vehemently against illegal immigration, and the majority of the country agrees with them (or so we’ve been told) that other conservatives would line up to use their services, right? Each time I have made this argument, it’s been met with sputtering and backtracking that amounts to, “But they wouldn’t be able to be competitive!!!” Which has shown me that conservatives want it BOTH ways: they want cheap immigrant labor with no immigrants involved.

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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 30, 2016 • 11:39:30am

re: #416 Kragar

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They got one wrong.
“May I have the privilege of sewing your shroud” Mayn fargnigen tzu naien deine takhrikhim

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Kragar  Aug 30, 2016 • 11:40:27am
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Kragar  Aug 30, 2016 • 11:40:43am

re: #419 The Vicious Babushka

That one was my favorite

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Belafon  Aug 30, 2016 • 11:41:15am

re: #415 jaunte

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I guess that’s one way to keep Georgia Republican.

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jaunte  Aug 30, 2016 • 11:41:20am

re: #418 Flying Squirrel Girl

Republicans in Texas are all going to vote for Trump and his Wall rhetoric, but they don’t want anyone asking their housekeepers or gardeners for papers.

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lawhawk  Aug 30, 2016 • 11:41:45am
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Nyet  Aug 30, 2016 • 11:42:38am

re: #417 Kragar

So even wrapping yourself in flag doesn’t help…

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Kragar  Aug 30, 2016 • 11:44:12am
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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 30, 2016 • 11:44:48am

Baby Whiplash checks every night for Communists hiding under the bed and in back of the closet. It must suck so hard to be him. Communists don’t really give a fuck about you, Li’l Whipsies.

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Sir John Barron  Aug 30, 2016 • 11:45:47am

re: #427 The Vicious Babushka

Baby Whiplash checks every night for Communists hiding under the bed and in back of the closet. It must suck so hard to be him. Communists don’t really give a fuck about you, Li’l Whipsies.

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Baby Ben has his own separate Twitter “quotes” account? Some delusions of grandeur there.

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Kragar  Aug 30, 2016 • 11:46:17am

re: #425 Nyet

Bet you anything this guy has at least one shirt like this in his closet.

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Flying Squirrel Girl  Aug 30, 2016 • 11:46:25am

re: #423 jaunte

My Southern Baptist MIL is beside herself this election season because she can’t bring herself to vote for Trump and would never even think of voting for anyone other than a Republican.

She’s a good Christian who started closing the garage door when her lawn crew came to mow after they bought a used Lexus because…you know…

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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 30, 2016 • 11:47:04am

re: #428 Sir John Barron

Baby Ben has his own separate Twitter “quotes” account? Some delusions of grandeur there.

And he even has a “Thug Life” YouTube channel, even though he whitesplains that Black people who are shot by police deserved it because they were “thugs”

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Nyet  Aug 30, 2016 • 11:48:31am

re: #419 The Vicious Babushka

Acc. to Weinreich soyve is also a shroud. Though I couldn’t find it outside of Weinreich. Apparently Polish Yiddish.

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Belafon  Aug 30, 2016 • 11:49:18am

From Kos himself, The DC press corps doesn’t matter. Clinton is right to ignore them. :

It’s become rote in DC press circles to whine about Hillary Clinton’s lack of press access. She hasn’t done any press conferences since the start of 2016! What is she afraid of?

The reality, of course, is that she’s been very available to the press, with her campaign claiming at least 300 interviews. Oh, and even some press conferences! For example, there’s this one, but it didn’t count because it was in a room full of black journalists. NPR also has plenty of reasons why those other press avails don’t count. First of all, their review found that the Clinton campaign had understated the number of press avails. The actual number was 350.

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Sir John Barron  Aug 30, 2016 • 11:49:19am

re: #430 Flying Squirrel Girl

My Southern Baptist MIL is beside herself this election season because she can’t bring herself to vote for Trump and would never even think of voting for anyone other than a Republican.

She’s a good Christian who started closing the garage door when her lawn crew came to mow after they bought a used Lexus because…you know…

didn’t want chopped grass getting on their awesome wheels?

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Tigger2  Aug 30, 2016 • 11:50:06am
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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 30, 2016 • 11:51:06am

re: #432 Nyet

Acc. to Weinreich soyve is also a shroud. Though I couldn’t find it outside of Weinreich. Apparently Polish Yiddish.

I have never heard a Yiddish speaker refer to burial shrouds by any other word than takhrikhim.

Zedushka’s mother was Polish and his father was Palestinian. Their Yiddish conversations were interesting.

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Nyet  Aug 30, 2016 • 11:52:44am

re: #436 The Vicious Babushka

Probably just a rare and/or obsolete word. I wonder how it even got into that dictionary.

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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 30, 2016 • 11:54:02am

re: #437 Nyet

Probably just a rare and/or obsolete word. I wonder how it even got into that dictionary.

Could be a local dialect.

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Flying Squirrel Girl  Aug 30, 2016 • 11:54:24am

re: #434 Sir John Barron

Yes, I’m sure that’s the reason. ///

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Sir John Barron  Aug 30, 2016 • 11:55:00am

re: #439 Flying Squirrel Girl

Yes, I’m sure that’s the reason. ///

afraid the help might steal it?

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Nyet  Aug 30, 2016 • 11:56:36am

re: #436 The Vicious Babushka

Oh, found in one other book.

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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 30, 2016 • 11:58:32am

re: #441 Nyet

Oh, found in one other book.

Another book or a different edition of the same book?

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Nyet  Aug 30, 2016 • 11:59:26am

re: #442 The Vicious Babushka

Another book or a different edition of the same book?

Not the same book, but the author could be same, hard to say.

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Skip Intro  Aug 30, 2016 • 12:01:55pm

re: #365 The Vicious Babushka

Can you imagine Hillary talking like this in an interview?

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Trump is one of the greatest philanderists of all time. Ask anybody.

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ObserverArt  Aug 30, 2016 • 12:02:52pm

re: #426 Kragar

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Did you or anyone make sure that those alt-right tweet examples were tweeted to The Hill in answer to their article mentioned in VBs #367?

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Nyet  Aug 30, 2016 • 12:03:01pm

re: #443 Nyet

Not the same book, but the author could be same, hard to say.

OK, now I think it’s another edition (diff.font) of the same book, because this appears in the “Yiddish-English” section on p.159.

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Timothy Watson  Aug 30, 2016 • 12:06:15pm

re: #444 Skip Intro

Trump is one of the greatest philanderists of all time. Ask anybody.

CARNIEGE HAS NOTHING ON ME!!!1!

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TedStriker  Aug 30, 2016 • 12:11:30pm

re: #416 Kragar

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Nojay UK  Aug 30, 2016 • 12:14:03pm

re: #392 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

It is awful of Apple: they could have paid their taxes fairly and in full when they were due, and avoided this…

Actually they did. Apple got a sweetheart deal with the Irish government on corporation tax (normally 12.5%, low for a European nation) in exchange for employing a bunch of people “and other considerations” (Irish politicians are known for their ethical flexibility and financial misprobity while in office). Other big multinationals have/had the same privileges giving them entry to the EU markets in an English-speaking nation with very favourable tax benefits.

The EU administration has now decided the sweetheart tax rate deals are against EU rules and are ordering the Irish government to enforce their own tax rate laws and recover lost revenue. Apple is only the first multinational to face this enforcement order, in part because they’re the biggest fish. The multinationals might bail from Ireland but they’ll face the same situation anywhere in the EU. If they want to make profits here they’ll have to pay the published tax rates like the locals do. If they repatriate profits made in the EU directly to the States the IRS will be waiting for them with big flensing knives.

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Nyet  Aug 30, 2016 • 12:14:24pm

From Weinreich:

10.3.1 A distinctive feature of the Middle Yiddish period is the
formation of the system of Yiddish codialects. The difference between
western and eastern Yiddish had certainly existed even before; such
lexical contrasts as orn (pray) ~ dav(e)nen, tfile (prayer book) ~ sider,
soyve (shroud) ~ takhrikhim, sholet (a Sabbath dish) ~ tsholnt, barkhes
(Sabbath loaves), tetsherl ~ khale, khomets batlen (search for bread) ~
boydek khomets zayn, oymern (count the days between Passover and
Shabuoth) ~ tseyln sfire, /snodern/ (pledge) ~ menader zayn possibly
already existed in the Old Yiddish period. But in the period of Middle
Yiddish, the difference West ~ East became very marked. About the
areal differences within western Yiddish itself we know little, and
mostly from a later period, but they must have existed then too. Detailed
study has much to achieve in this field.

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No Country For Old Haters  Aug 30, 2016 • 12:37:59pm

re: #308 TK-421

Life saving $5 pens cost $600 because far too many people have deluded themselves that what they do in life is important. When in fact they would be less of a drain on society digging and filling holes. Specifically, the insurance industry.

You had me, and then you lost me when you got specific. Insurance companies don’t want to pay insane drug costs, they want to keep drug costs down wherever possible. It’s the people selling the drugs that set prices.

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stpaulbear  Aug 30, 2016 • 1:00:56pm

re: #435 Tigger2

#Trump rally emcee: Ban women voters who use free contraception and we’ll win every election

He might as well just come out and say that only women who only have sex to produce babies get to vote.

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Decatur Deb  Aug 30, 2016 • 1:30:20pm

re: #435 Tigger2

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Pharmaceuticaled that for you.


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