Donald Trump Jr. Retweets Notorious White Supremacist Antisemite Kevin MacDonald

The rotten apple doesn’t fall far from the rotten tree
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So today, the son of the Republican Party’s nominee for president of the United States, Donald Trump Jr., retweeted one of the most notorious antisemitic white supremacists in the country, psychology professor Kevin MacDonald.

The retweet is still visible in his timeline as I write this, but here’s a screenshot because Trump Jr. tends to delete these things when he’s exposed.

Notice how many retweets and likes MacDonald’s tweet received — a direct result of the high visibility he gets from Trump Jr.’s endorsement.

Trump Jr. has reportedly been taking a large role in his father’s campaign, and this isn’t his first association with the white supremacist movement. Earlier this year, he gave an interview to vile racist/antisemitic radio show The Political Cesspool, and subsequently the host of that show was invited by the Trump campaign to attend the Republican National Convention and was given press credentials.

Also, last month we exposed Trump Jr. following — and “liking” tweets by — two of the worst and most active “alt-right” freaks on Twitter. Shortly after we published our article, Trump Jr. unfollowed both of these accounts, and then blocked me on Twitter. All of this without ever renouncing them, or even making any kind of statement, even though I contacted him directly and asked for one.

This retweet of Kevin MacDonald is another step further for Trump Jr. though; this is basically the equivalent of retweeting David Duke. And in fact David Duke is also a huge fan of MacDonald, praising his antisemitic books on the dangers of Jews.

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Targetpractice  Aug 30, 2016 • 5:32:35pm

But remember, folks, Hillary is the real racist because Robert Byrd.

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Shiplord Kirel  Aug 30, 2016 • 5:36:58pm

TANJ (“there ain’t no justice”):

MacDonald is 72 but 2016 hasn’t killed him (not yet at least).

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EPR-radar  Aug 30, 2016 • 5:41:46pm

re: #2 Shiplord Kirel

TANJ (“there ain’t no justice”):

MacDonald is 72 but 2016 hasn’t killed him (not yet at least).

MacDonald is the kind of evil piece of shit that lives a long time because Satan doesn’t want the competition.

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bratwurst  Aug 30, 2016 • 5:42:40pm
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Charles Johnson  Aug 30, 2016 • 5:44:17pm
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teleskiguy  Aug 30, 2016 • 5:45:48pm

re: #5 Charles Johnson

Well that’s a little vague! Which campaign?

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bratwurst  Aug 30, 2016 • 5:45:52pm

re: #5 Charles Johnson

Bannon getting canned?

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Brian J.  Aug 30, 2016 • 5:46:31pm

re: #5 Charles Johnson

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In light of the recent passing of Gene Wilder, perhaps this kind of explosive:

Blazing Saddles Fart Scene

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teleskiguy  Aug 30, 2016 • 5:47:14pm
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Charles Johnson  Aug 30, 2016 • 5:47:28pm

Oh. Big whoop.

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jaunte  Aug 30, 2016 • 5:48:06pm

“considering”

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Aug 30, 2016 • 5:48:28pm

re: #10 Charles Johnson

Oh. Big whoop.

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Yeah, that’ll turn things around for sure.

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jaunte  Aug 30, 2016 • 5:48:33pm

I’d like to see the President of Mexico leave Trump hanging.

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teleskiguy  Aug 30, 2016 • 5:48:52pm

I was hoping The Donald™ was firing Mike Pence.

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Targetpractice  Aug 30, 2016 • 5:48:55pm

re: #10 Charles Johnson

Oh. Big whoop.

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“We’re not paying for your damn wall, Don.”

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Brian J.  Aug 30, 2016 • 5:49:12pm

Honestly, the baked beans would have been more explosive.

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Stanley Sea  Aug 30, 2016 • 5:51:22pm

re: #15 Targetpractice

“We’re not paying for your damn wall, Don.”

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jaunte  Aug 30, 2016 • 5:51:28pm

Why would Nieto want to meet Trump?

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FormerDirtDart  Aug 30, 2016 • 5:52:27pm

Nothing kills an attempt at a 13th term in Congress like a federal corruption indictment…
The redistricting may have had an influence too

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Decatur Deb  Aug 30, 2016 • 5:52:47pm

re: #18 jaunte

Why would Nieto want to meet Trump?

Grooming advice.

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Targetpractice  Aug 30, 2016 • 5:52:58pm

The campaign that snickers about a bottle of hot sauce as “pandering” is “considering” a meeting with the President of Mexico.

Make of that what you will.

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jaunte  Aug 30, 2016 • 5:54:21pm

Here too.

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Stanley Sea  Aug 30, 2016 • 5:54:30pm

re: #11 jaunte

“considering”

Everyone is being played. Art of the con.

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whitebeach  Aug 30, 2016 • 5:54:45pm

re: #3 EPR-radar

MacDonald is the kind of evil piece of shit that lives a long time because Satan doesn’t want the competition.

I don’t know that competition is the issue. Satan’s probably just worried about the property values in his neighborhood.

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Stanley Sea  Aug 30, 2016 • 5:54:59pm

re: #18 jaunte

Why would Nieto want to meet Trump?

He wouldn’t.

It’s a con.

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Stanley Sea  Aug 30, 2016 • 5:55:41pm

re: #25 Stanley Sea

He wouldn’t.

It’s a con.

And I want to puke how he’s WWE’ing everyone.

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Charles Johnson  Aug 30, 2016 • 5:56:30pm

I hope Nieto doesn’t go for this. Trump is trying to use this to convince Hispanics to vote for him, and Nieto should not help him do this in any way. I can’t see any up side for Mexico in agreeing to a meeting with this fascist piece of shit.

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jaunte  Aug 30, 2016 • 5:56:44pm
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Brian J.  Aug 30, 2016 • 5:57:39pm

re: #27 Charles Johnson

I hope Nieto doesn’t go for this. Trump is trying to use this to convince Hispanics to vote for him, and Nieto should not help him do this in any way. I can’t see any up side for Mexico in agreeing to a meeting with this fascist piece of shit.

I can’t imagine anyone with an IQ exceeding his hat size doing so. I honestly wonder what it’d take for Sr. Nieto to have a few federales show him what Mexican prisons are really like.

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teleskiguy  Aug 30, 2016 • 5:57:58pm
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Targetpractice  Aug 30, 2016 • 5:58:25pm

re: #27 Charles Johnson

I hope Nieto doesn’t go for this. Trump is trying to use this to convince Hispanics to vote for him, and Nieto should not help him do this in any way. I can’t see any up side for Mexico in agreeing to a meeting with this fascist piece of shit.

I imagine his campaign thinks he wins no matter what the response. Nieto agrees to the meeting, Trump proclaims that he’s “building bridges” or some such shit. Nieto tells him to fuck off, he proclaims that it shows Mexico can’t be bargained with and he’s right to treat it as hostile to America.

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teleskiguy  Aug 30, 2016 • 5:58:49pm
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FormerDirtDart  Aug 30, 2016 • 5:59:37pm

Alan Grayson’s wife has failed to secure the Democratic nomination for his congressional seat.
Murphy has destroyed Grayson for the Dem Senate nom. I’m worried how much damage Grayson has done to Murphy’s chances in Nov. He ran a very negative campaign against Murphy. Every ad I saw was scathing. While I never saw Murphy attack him.

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Charles Johnson  Aug 30, 2016 • 6:00:00pm

re: #31 Targetpractice

I imagine his campaign thinks he wins no matter what the response. Nieto agrees to the meeting, Trump proclaims that he’s “building bridges” or some such shit. Nieto tells him to fuck off, he proclaims that it shows Mexico can’t be bargained with and he’s right to treat it as hostile to America.

Exactly. There’s no way this comes out as a plus for Nieto or Mexico. Trump is trying to use him to trick Hispanics into voting for him, and it’s totally obvious.

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ObserverArt  Aug 30, 2016 • 6:04:51pm

re: #11 jaunte

“considering”

I hope Mexico tells him without consideration to go fuck himself.

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Brian J.  Aug 30, 2016 • 6:06:36pm

re: #34 Charles Johnson

Exactly. There’s no way this comes out as a plus for Nieto or Mexico. Trump is trying to use him to trick Hispanics into voting for him, and it’s totally obvious.

With all due respect, I am pretty sure it’s “Trump is trying to use him to trick ‘wetback’-hating bigots into voting for him, and it’s totally obvious.” Just like his stunningly successful black outreach program. (I though zero percent approval rating was meant to be exaggerated, but here we are.)

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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 30, 2016 • 6:07:32pm

TheHill “BOTH SIDES HURR DURR” has got on my last nerve.

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Brian J.  Aug 30, 2016 • 6:09:23pm

re: #37 The Vicious Babushka

TheHill “BOTH SIDES HURR DURR” has got on my last nerve.

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The Hill really seems to print anything that’s submitted to it these days. Clickbait, or the last lurch toward bankruptcy? IBM says You Make The Call!

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Targetpractice  Aug 30, 2016 • 6:09:33pm

About the best thing Nieto could do in response to this news is say that if Trump wants a meeting, he’ll be happy to have that meeting…after the election. But that he’s sure he’ll still be addressing him as “Sr. Trump” in six months and not “Mr. President.”

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Brian J.  Aug 30, 2016 • 6:11:22pm

And the AP calls DWS the winner in FL-23. Three point three million in Berner money down the toilet.

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Belafon  Aug 30, 2016 • 6:13:14pm

re: #37 The Vicious Babushka

TheHill “BOTH SIDES HURR DURR” has got on my last nerve.

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I’m debating clicking on the link. Is the former doctor Obama’s middle school pediatrician?

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Snarknado!  Aug 30, 2016 • 6:13:56pm

re: #41 Belafon

I’m debating clicking on the link? Is the former doctor Obama’s middle school pediatrician?

Or one of his law school professors with a Ph.D.?

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Stanley Sea  Aug 30, 2016 • 6:14:47pm

This is a typical Trump PR scam. That Costas fell for it, well. PR is made to do this shit.

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sagehen  Aug 30, 2016 • 6:15:29pm

Let’s talk about Colin Powell’s foundation, that he started in 1997 and turned over to his wife when he became Secretary of State.

vox.com

The Foundation that Enron and AT&T made huge donations to, while Powell was SoS and his son was chair of the FCC.

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Targetpractice  Aug 30, 2016 • 6:16:12pm

re: #40 Brian J.

And the AP calls DWS the winner in FL-23. Three point three million in Berner money down the toilet.

I have issues with her handling of the party as chairman, but the Bros actually made me angry enough to put those aside for the current election. I want to see her win reelection just to hear their screams of impotent rage.

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Shiplord Kirel  Aug 30, 2016 • 6:17:24pm

Trump is devious and ruthless but rather naive about political maneuvering.

Peña Nieto can meet Trump, denounce him to his face, then turn around and conduct a cordial meeting with Secretary Clinton a few days later. Trumperati will probably squeal that Peña Nieto is trying to influence the election, but Trump will look like a fool for having initiated the meetings.

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EPR-radar  Aug 30, 2016 • 6:19:13pm

re: #45 Targetpractice

I have issues with her handling of the party as chairman, but the Bros actually made me angry enough to put those aside for the current election. I want to see her win reelection just to hear their screams of impotent rage.

My take as well, and I really didn’t like some of what DWS got up to (e.g., supporting some Republicans).

Sanders supporters need to take a good look at the bridge-burning the Sanders campaign did in this primary.

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Targetpractice  Aug 30, 2016 • 6:20:00pm

re: #46 Shiplord Kirel

Trump is devious and ruthless but rather naive about political maneuvering.

Peña Nieto can meet Trump, denounce him to his face, then turn around and conduct a cordial meeting with Secretary Clinton a few days later. Trumperati will probably squeal that Peña Nieto is trying to influence the election, but Trump will look like a fool for having initiated the meetings.

According to Costa’s “source,” Trump’s wanting to schedule this meeting just hours before his “immigration speech.” I suspect it would be much like his “helping” in Louisiana: Fly in, shake Nieto’s hand while mugging for the cameras, using Nieto as a prop while he bellows insults at HIllary, then rushing back to the plane. All in the space of a couple hours.

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ObserverArt  Aug 30, 2016 • 6:20:08pm

re: #43 Stanley Sea

This is a typical Trump PR scam. That Costas fell for it, well. PR is made to do this shit.

Costas is just doing what all media is doing. They treat Trump as some phenomena that is doing surprisingly well against the extremely established, but baggage carrying Hillary Clinton.

And of course they don’t treat any of Trumps past as anything more than his way to becoming rich.

I guess being a novice politician and running for president gives you some kind of a “starting a new career” cleaning of the slate.

If you’ve been around in politics for 25 years or so, you get no such thing. Every pimple over those years is fair game.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 30, 2016 • 6:22:35pm

re: #45 Targetpractice

I have issues with her handling of the party as chairman, but the Bros actually made me angry enough to put those aside for the current election. I want to see her win reelection just to hear their screams of impotent rage.

And of course, All Politics Is Local, so the Screams of the Bernie Bros may not have moved the people who’ve been sending her to Congress for some time, not to mention Clinton cleaned Sanders’ clock in the Florida Primary.

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Great White Snark  Aug 30, 2016 • 6:22:55pm

vox.com

The value of the presumption of innocence

Because Colin Powell did not have the reputation in the mid- to late ’90s of being a corrupt or shady character, his decision to launch a charity in 1997 was considered laudable. Nobody would deny that the purpose of the charity was, in part, to keep his name in the spotlight and keep his options open for future political office. Nor would anybody deny that this wasn’t exactly a case of Powell having super-relevant expertise. What he had to offer was basically celebrity and his good name. By supporting Powell’s charity, your company could participate in Powell’s halo.

But when the press thinks of you as a good guy, leveraging your good reputation in this way is considered a good thing to do. And since the charity was considered a good thing to do, keeping the charity going when Powell was in office as secretary of state was also considered a good thing to do. And since Powell was presumed to be innocent — and since Democrats did not make attacks on Powell part of their partisan strategy — his charity was never the subject of a lengthy investigation.

Which is lucky for him, because as Clinton could tell you, once you are the subject of a lengthy investigation, the press doesn’t like to report, “Well, we looked into it and we didn’t find anything interesting.”

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bratwurst  Aug 30, 2016 • 6:23:10pm

re: #43 Stanley Sea

This is a typical Trump PR scam. That Costas fell for it, well. PR is made to do this shit.

He was a longtime National Review guy…so his level of discernment may not be real high.

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Targetpractice  Aug 30, 2016 • 6:23:14pm

re: #47 EPR-radar

My take as well, and I really didn’t like some of what DWS got up to (e.g., supporting some Republicans).

Sanders supporters need to take a good look at the bridge-burning the Sanders campaign did in this primary.

The Bros pretty much wiped out any “good” that could have come from his campaign. Even legitimate gripes about the DNC and how it’s running things has been lost in the screaming and gnashing of teeth over shit like “disenfranchisement” and “stolen primaries.”

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EPR-radar  Aug 30, 2016 • 6:23:20pm

re: #49 ObserverArt

I just want the media to do their damn job. There is only one political story in the US, and that story is Trump’s complete and total unfitness for office. The follow-up to that story is the longer term story of how the Republican party debased itself to the point where its nominee ends up being a turd like Trump.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 30, 2016 • 6:24:54pm
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FormerDirtDart  Aug 30, 2016 • 6:25:35pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 30, 2016 • 6:25:50pm

re: #55 Backwoods_Sleuth

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EPR-radar  Aug 30, 2016 • 6:26:23pm

re: #53 Targetpractice

The Bros pretty much wiped out any “good” that could have come from his campaign. Even legitimate gripes about the DNC and how it’s running things has been lost in the screaming and gnashing of teeth over shit like “disenfranchisement” and “stolen primaries.”

Another ‘present’ from the Sanders campaign is the death of the idea of running against the plutocracy for the foreseeable future.

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Charles Johnson  Aug 30, 2016 • 6:26:27pm

re: #36 Brian J.

With all due respect, I am pretty sure it’s “Trump is trying to use him to trick ‘wetback’-hating bigots into voting for him, and it’s totally obvious.” Just like his stunningly successful black outreach program. (I though zero percent approval rating was meant to be exaggerated, but here we are.)

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Trump already has that demographic sewn up. But he knows he needs to get some support from Hispanic voters or he’s fucked. Hence, this dumb idea. He’s flailing around in desperation.

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Belafon  Aug 30, 2016 • 6:26:47pm
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Targetpractice  Aug 30, 2016 • 6:26:49pm

re: #56 FormerDirtDart

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So the “consideration” part is not the Trump campaign reaching out to Mexico in hopes of a meeting, it’s Mexico looking to have a meeting with both parties. Well, that’s a whole different kettle of fish…one even less favorable to Trump.

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Shiplord Kirel  Aug 30, 2016 • 6:28:24pm

re: #48 Targetpractice

According to Costa’s “source,” Trump’s wanting to schedule this meeting just hours before his “immigration speech.” I suspect it would be much like his “helping” in Louisiana: Fly in, shake Nieto’s hand while mugging for the cameras, using Nieto as a prop while he bellows insults at HIllary, then rushing back to the plane. All in the space of a couple hours.

It wouldn’t take Nieto long to say, “Mexico has all the electoral votes you’re likely to get and, by the way, you’re an asshole.”

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Charles Johnson  Aug 30, 2016 • 6:28:25pm
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EPR-radar  Aug 30, 2016 • 6:28:55pm

re: #59 Charles Johnson

Trump already has that demographic sewn up. But he knows he needs to get some support from Hispanic voters or he’s fucked. Hence, this dumb idea. He’s flailing around in desperation.

It isn’t going to work. Minorities in the US can’t afford to be as stupid as whites. Sure Trump will find a few tokens here and there, but that won’t make up for the lost votes.

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Targetpractice  Aug 30, 2016 • 6:30:07pm

re: #59 Charles Johnson

Trump already has that demographic sewn up. But he knows he needs to get some support from Hispanic voters or he’s fucked. Hence, this dumb idea. He’s flailing around in desperation.

The demographic he doesn’t have sewn up is the same one that he’s trying to woo with his “What have you got to lose?” tone-deaf speeches, namely the fence-sitters in the GOP ranks who are considering staying home or voting for Johnson. He’s trying to overcome their guilt by assuring them that they’re not voting for a racist, even though it’s pretty obvious to everybody else that that’s exactly what they’d be voting for.

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Patricia Kayden  Aug 30, 2016 • 6:30:18pm

re: #10 Charles Johnson

Isn’t Trump terrified of visiting a country full of rapists and ne’er do wells?

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teleskiguy  Aug 30, 2016 • 6:34:06pm

re: #66 Patricia Kayden

Isn’t Trump terrified of visiting a country full of rapists and ne’er do wells?

I’m tweeting this!

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Shiplord Kirel  Aug 30, 2016 • 6:34:34pm

Trump’s pitiful attempts at fence mending (so to speak) with Hispanics are likely to alienate enough bigots to easily outnumber the few Hispanics he can win over.

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EPR-radar  Aug 30, 2016 • 6:34:51pm

re: #65 Targetpractice

The demographic he doesn’t have sewn up is the same one that he’s trying to woo with his “What have you got to lose?” tone-deaf speeches, namely the fence-sitters in the GOP ranks who are considering staying home or voting for Johnson. He’s trying to overcome their guilt by assuring them that they’re not voting for a racist, even though it’s pretty obvious to everybody else that that’s exactly what they’d be voting for.

The best way for Trump to woo the fence-sitters and GOP leaners that aren’t comfortable with full KKK mode racism would be to shut up.

If Trump were to say nothing between now and the election, 99% of these people would end up voting Republican because that’s what they always do.

However, Trump being silent is never going to happen. It’s good that what might possibly be Trump’s most effective general election strategy isn’t going to happen.

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Charles Johnson  Aug 30, 2016 • 6:36:17pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 30, 2016 • 6:37:54pm

re: #59 Charles Johnson

Trump already has that demographic sewn up. But he knows he needs to get some support from Hispanic voters or he’s fucked. Hence, this dumb idea. He’s flailing around in desperation.

I don’t see him making any inroads with Hispanic voters who don’t already support him. That train has sailed.

BUT he’s also losing white college-educated voters because they see him as either racist or appealing to racism, so he thinks maybe he can get them back with a show of not being an asshole.

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TK-421  Aug 30, 2016 • 6:40:08pm

Sen. Ron Johnson has another awkward campaign moment

Republican U.S. Sen. Ron Johnson is suggesting that poor single moms take jobs in the day care centers watching their children, a practice Wisconsin restricted seven years ago after massive fraud involving government subsidies.

Johnson’s solution for addressing poverty is the latest awkward comment from the freshman senator who compared voting in November to the decision by doomed 9/11 passengers on Flight 93 to storm the cockpit, criticized “The Lego Movie” as anti-business propaganda and appeared to suggest that a documentary could replace teachers.

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Shiplord Kirel  Aug 30, 2016 • 6:41:49pm
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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 30, 2016 • 6:42:17pm

re: #71 Blind Frog Belly White

I don’t see him making any inroads with Hispanic voters who don’t already support him. That train has sailed.

BUT he’s also losing white college-educated voters because they see him as either racist or appealing to racism, so he thinks maybe he can get them back with a show of not being an asshole.

Trump will never not be an asshole. He is the asshole that other assholes point to and say “Now there is an asshole!”

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Targetpractice  Aug 30, 2016 • 6:43:04pm

re: #72 TK-421

Sen. Ron Johnson has another awkward campaign moment

Another day, another reminder to Democrats on why sitting at home in midterms is not an option if you want a functioning country.

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Bill and Opus for 2016!  Aug 30, 2016 • 6:44:12pm

re: #63 Charles Johnson

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Belafon  Aug 30, 2016 • 6:47:23pm

I kept trying to think of something to say to go with #VeteransForKaepernick, but it was hard to get into a tweet.

I don’t really care for the national anthem or the pledge. I don’t like traditions for the sake of traditions and I don’t care for reciting things just because everyone else does. They don’t prove anything. I see too many people recite the pledge and do nothing that shows to me they understand what they recited.

Plus, I don’t really care for pledging an allegiance to a flag.

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jaunte  Aug 30, 2016 • 6:49:40pm

re: #72 TK-421

That article you linked contains the wingnut politician trifecta:

“…Sen. Ron Johnson’s biggest impediment to re-election may be Ron Johnson himself with statements ranging from bizarre to insulting to simply ignorant,” said Scot Ross with the liberal advocacy group One Wisconsin Now.”
………
…But Johnson backer Nancy Milholland, of Mount Pleasant, said she finds him to be refreshing.
“Ron, to me, comes across as down to earth and genuine,” Milholland said. “I think he just tells the truth. That’s just how I see him.”
…………
“…After the “idiot inner-city kids” comment, a spokeswoman argued that he was being sarcastic and the senator backed equal opportunity in education.”

Ignorant pol perceived as honest and refreshing by his fans, just being sarcastic!

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philosophus invidius  Aug 30, 2016 • 6:51:05pm

I didn’t know how bad the Daily Caller is. They describe MacDonald as a “leading intellectual for his innovative work on group evolutionary theory and advocacy of Western culture” with many “scholarly” publications translated into many languages, qualifying this praise only by saying that the SPLC has “called” him anti-Semitic. And then they qualify that qualification by implying that the SPLC throws these kinds of accusations about wily-nily.

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Stanley Sea  Aug 30, 2016 • 6:51:21pm
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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 30, 2016 • 6:51:30pm
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Charles Johnson  Aug 30, 2016 • 6:52:51pm

Wow. I just took a look at that Daily Caller article for the first time, and the comments are overwhelmingly in favor of Kevin MacDonald.

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Big Beautiful Door  Aug 30, 2016 • 6:53:27pm

re: #34 Charles Johnson

Exactly. There’s no way this comes out as a plus for Nieto or Mexico. Trump is trying to use him to trick Hispanics into voting for him, and it’s totally obvious.

Trump is actually using him to convince moderate Republicans to vote for Trump. Its all about convincing whites he isn’t a bigot.

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ObserverArt  Aug 30, 2016 • 6:53:42pm

re: #77 Belafon

I kept trying to think of something to say to go with #VeteransForKaepernick, but it was hard to get into a tweet.

I don’t really care for the national anthem or the pledge. I don’t like traditions for the sake of traditions and I don’t care for reciting things just because everyone else does. They don’t prove anything. I see too many people recite the pledge and do nothing that shows to me they understand what they recited.

Plus, I don’t really care for pledging an allegiance to a flag.

I’m sure you are very familiar with the term “going through the motions.”

American’s are real good for that kind of thing. Go through the motions with everyone else and you are good to go as you fit in.

The comments about Kaepernick that I think are amazing are the folks that say he has every right to do what he is doing, that is what all the wars were for.

And then they rip him up one side and down another because he is taking part in all that freedom.

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Lidane  Aug 30, 2016 • 6:54:39pm

re: #70 Charles Johnson

Thankfully, everyone involved realized that NBC’s stupidity would’ve destroyed The Walking Dead.

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jaunte  Aug 30, 2016 • 6:55:20pm

CSI: Zombie

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BlueSpotinAL  Aug 30, 2016 • 6:55:44pm

re: #85 Lidane

Thankfully, everyone involved realized that NBC’s stupidity would’ve destroyed The Walking Dead.

Law and Order: Special Zombies Unit.

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Lidane  Aug 30, 2016 • 6:56:31pm

re: #83 Big Beautiful Door

Trump is actually using him to convince moderate Republicans to vote for Trump. Its all about convincing whites he isn’t a bigot.

The PRI in Mexico are pretty ruthless. They’ll find a way to have both the Clinton and Trump visits benefit them.

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Barefoot Grin  Aug 30, 2016 • 6:56:47pm

re: #77 Belafon

I kept trying to think of something to say to go with #VeteransForKaepernick, but it was hard to get into a tweet.

I don’t really care for the national anthem or the pledge. I don’t like traditions for the sake of traditions and I don’t care for reciting things just because everyone else does. They don’t prove anything. I see too many people recite the pledge and do nothing that shows to me they understand what they recited.

Plus, I don’t really care for pledging an allegiance to a flag.

Makes me think of all those great “Life in Hell” pledges….

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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 30, 2016 • 6:57:00pm

Well shitfire. I know exactly where this intersection is.

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Lidane  Aug 30, 2016 • 6:57:10pm

re: #87 BlueSpotinAL

Law and Order: Special Zombies Unit.

Chicago Zombie

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jaunte  Aug 30, 2016 • 6:57:49pm

“Bones”

Oh wait.

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William Lewis  Aug 30, 2016 • 6:58:05pm

I’m just gonna drop this here before I run off to work. Beautiful voice…

Carpenters - Rainy Days And Mondays - Acapella (near)

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TedStriker  Aug 30, 2016 • 6:58:26pm

re: #90 The Vicious Babushka

Well shitfire. I know exactly where this intersection is.

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They all look mighty pale to me…and old.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Aug 30, 2016 • 6:58:51pm

re: #91 Lidane

Chicago Zombie

America’s Got Zombies

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teleskiguy  Aug 30, 2016 • 6:59:04pm

re: #90 The Vicious Babushka

Damn, gas is cheaper here! $2.29/gal.

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Lidane  Aug 30, 2016 • 6:59:37pm

re: #94 TedStriker

They all look mighty pale to me…and old.

It’s mighty white of them to rally for Cheeto Jesus.

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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 30, 2016 • 6:59:39pm

re: #94 TedStriker

They all look mighty pale to me…and old.

That black lady in the picture is waiting to cross the street. She’s probably thinking “Don’t these crackers have jobs?”

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LastYearsMan  Aug 30, 2016 • 7:01:16pm

re: #91 Lidane

Mix it with Dancing With the Stars and you’d have The Waltzing Dead.

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Lidane  Aug 30, 2016 • 7:01:19pm

Not The Onion:

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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 30, 2016 • 7:01:19pm
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Charles Johnson  Aug 30, 2016 • 7:01:34pm
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TedStriker  Aug 30, 2016 • 7:02:01pm

re: #100 Lidane

Not The Onion:

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Looks like someone doesn’t like getting their picture taken..

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Belafon  Aug 30, 2016 • 7:02:07pm

re: #84 ObserverArt

I’m sure you are very familiar with the term “going through the motions.”

American’s are real good for that kind of thing. Go through the motions with everyone else and you are good to go as you fit in.

The comments about Kaepernick that I think are amazing are the folks that say he has every right to do what he is doing, that is what all the wars were for.

And then they rip him up one side and down another because he is taking part in all that freedom.

“Going through the motions” it the phrase I was looking for.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Aug 30, 2016 • 7:02:27pm

Looking over NBC’s lineup of shows, i see “Better Late Than Never,” which appears to be a last ditch effort to give some middle-aged (or older*) celebs a paycheck.

* Bill Shatner is like 81. He’s past middle-aged in my book.

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Stanley Sea  Aug 30, 2016 • 7:04:16pm
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philosophus invidius  Aug 30, 2016 • 7:04:23pm

re: #82 Charles Johnson

Wow. I just took a look at that Daily Caller article for the first time, and the comments are overwhelmingly in favor of Kevin MacDonald.

This is the comment that the author was too chicken to write explicitly, but was clearly implied: “I’m glad that conservatives are starting to smarten up on this issue and not let the SPLC shut down any discussion on the subject. We should be able to freely talk about Jewish influence in media and politics without immediately smearing people as “anti-Semites.”“

Good to know Daily Caller!

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Lidane  Aug 30, 2016 • 7:05:25pm

*cough*

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Belafon  Aug 30, 2016 • 7:07:18pm

re: #108 Lidane

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Charles Johnson  Aug 30, 2016 • 7:08:09pm
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Targetpractice  Aug 30, 2016 • 7:09:15pm

re: #70 Charles Johnson

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I’d say I was shocked, but that would be giving network TV too much credit. Anything with a story arc longer than a two-parter always gives a network exec heartburn, worse if that story arc carries through to the end of the season. That means you’ve actually gotta spend money to ensure things look the same from week to week, instead of short-changing this week’s episode because last week’s went over an arbitrarily set budget.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Aug 30, 2016 • 7:09:34pm

re: #93 William Lewis

I’m just gonna drop this here before I run off to work. Beautiful voice…

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Imma be in my bunk—BBL….

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Belafon  Aug 30, 2016 • 7:09:58pm

In case you were thinking good thoughts about Shaun King:

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Great White Snark  Aug 30, 2016 • 7:10:02pm
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Targetpractice  Aug 30, 2016 • 7:10:27pm

re: #108 Lidane

*cough*

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How? Does Coppins really believe Nieto’s gonna wrap an arm around Comrade Combover and declare ‘Yes, we’ll gladly pay for that wall because we are a country of rapists and murderers!”?

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Targetpractice  Aug 30, 2016 • 7:10:53pm

re: #113 Belafon

In case you were thinking good thoughts about Shaun King:

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Shaun who?

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De Kolta Chair  Aug 30, 2016 • 7:12:07pm

Rumors of Trump flying to Mexico City are reminiscent of that one time he drank alcohol at a high school party and confessed to classmates that he “totally dug” Jack Kerouac’s “Mexico City Blues.”

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Stanley Sea  Aug 30, 2016 • 7:14:18pm

So, Trump is going to go to this meeting, then to his big immigration speech & say what? They agreed to pay!!!!!!!!!!

So WWE.

Note, this proves they haven’t even decided on his immigration speech. The day before.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Aug 30, 2016 • 7:16:01pm

Here’s a follow-up to the hair style controversy at Pretoria High School for Girls in South Africa. The school has suspended its hair rules, after black students protested that the rules were racist, and that white staff insulted their hair styles.

bbc.com

PHSG was whites-only during apartheid (I suspect not willingly, since it was an English-medium school, and not Afrikaans-medium), but diversified its student population when apartheid ended.

My daughter spent the 8th grade there, BTW. I taught at the affiliated Boys High.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 30, 2016 • 7:16:29pm

re: #105 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

If you can believe it, Shatner is 85.

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Lidane  Aug 30, 2016 • 7:16:46pm

This seems relevant:

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Targetpractice  Aug 30, 2016 • 7:17:10pm

re: #118 Stanley Sea

So, Trump is going to go to this meeting, then to his big immigration speech & say what? They agreed to pay!!!!!!!!!!

So WWE.

Note, this proves they haven’t even decided on his immigration speech. The day before.

It tells me they still can’t decide, the day before his big speech, just what theme he wants to go with. Whether he wants to be “nice guy” Trump or “thunderous blowhard” Trump.

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philosophus invidius  Aug 30, 2016 • 7:17:16pm

re: #102 Charles Johnson

The author is seeking the adulation of those cretins, so I’m sure he’s pleased.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Aug 30, 2016 • 7:19:23pm

re: #120 Eclectic Cyborg

If you can believe it, Shatner is 85.

I think he’s discovered the secret to immortality.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 30, 2016 • 7:22:28pm

re: #124 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Honestly I think it has a lot to do with not taking oneself too seriously. Why be stressed out when you don’t need to be?

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Targetpractice  Aug 30, 2016 • 7:23:20pm

re: #124 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

I think he’s discovered the secret to immortality.

Beheading his former co-stars and absorbing their Quickening, until the Gathering when he’ll face off against the other actors who played Star Trek captains?

//

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Lidane  Aug 30, 2016 • 7:27:16pm

re: #124 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

I think he’s discovered the secret to immortality.

It probably has something to do with arguing with Outlander fans on Twitter. He does that a lot.

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sagehen  Aug 30, 2016 • 7:32:11pm

re: #105 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Looking over NBC’s lineup of shows, i see “Better Late Than Never,” which appears to be a last ditch effort to give some middle-aged (or older*) celebs a paycheck.

* Bill Shatner is like 81. He’s past middle-aged in my book.

I watched it; it’s actually kind of fun.

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De Kolta Chair  Aug 30, 2016 • 7:33:43pm

BREAKING — According to Kellyanne Conway, Trump is considering flying to India, and not Mexico, tomorrow because “there are a lot more non-white people to piss off there.”

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Charles Johnson  Aug 30, 2016 • 7:34:09pm
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Skip Intro  Aug 30, 2016 • 7:35:32pm

“Very much forward”?

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Aug 30, 2016 • 7:35:56pm

re: #128 sagehen

I watched it; it’s actually kind of fun.

Shit My Dad Says was pretty funny—didn’t last long, though.

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Charles Johnson  Aug 30, 2016 • 7:36:40pm
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Lidane  Aug 30, 2016 • 7:37:11pm

re: #130 Charles Johnson

Trump: Mangling the English Language Again

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Ia! Ia! Trump Ftaghn! (née Sophist)  Aug 30, 2016 • 7:37:52pm

re: #105 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Looking over NBC’s lineup of shows, i see “Better Late Than Never,” which appears to be a last ditch effort to give some middle-aged (or older*) celebs a paycheck.

* Bill Shatner is like 81. He’s past middle-aged in my book.

Unless you’re a Sequoia, 81 is past middle-aged in any book.

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jaunte  Aug 30, 2016 • 7:37:57pm
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Lidane  Aug 30, 2016 • 7:40:17pm

re: #133 Charles Johnson

Oh, they do. Trump is HATED in Mexico. The PRI would be stupid to not push back against his idiocy.

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calochortus  Aug 30, 2016 • 7:40:18pm

re: #130 Charles Johnson

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Freepers remain undecided as to whether this is brilliantly presidential or an invitation to being kidnapped and murdered by brown people.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Aug 30, 2016 • 7:41:56pm

re: #125 Eclectic Cyborg

Honestly I think it has a lot to do with not taking oneself too seriously. Why be stressed out when you don’t need to be?

I have to say, Shatner is a guy who’s clearly happy with who he is and what he does. He’s seems to be happily married, has good relations with his kids, and enjoys his horses. I should be so lucky at age 85.

I’ve met him. Back when I was a reporter, Shatner paid a visit to Owensboro, KY, for some product endorsement or something. This was about the time of the first Star Trek movie, or shortly thereafter, and the fact that it was a flop may have colored his demeanor. Anyway, I found him to be a really affable fellow, not to full of himself, and quite willing to give me his autograph.

re: #127 Lidane

It probably has something to do with arguing with Outlander fans on Twitter. He does that a lot.

Yeah, I follow him on Twitter. He’s really good at live tweeting TV shows and arguing with fans.

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whitebeach  Aug 30, 2016 • 7:43:21pm

re: #137 Lidane

Oh, they do. Trump is HATED in Mexico. The PRI would be stupid to not push back against his idiocy.

The scenario I want is this: Trump’s staff being incompetent across the board, they forget to pack his passport and Mexico busts him as an illegal immigrant.

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Ia! Ia! Trump Ftaghn! (née Sophist)  Aug 30, 2016 • 7:43:41pm

re: #124 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

I think he’s discovered the secret to immortality.

An all-scenery diet?

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teleskiguy  Aug 30, 2016 • 7:43:49pm
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GlutenFreeJesus  Aug 30, 2016 • 7:45:49pm

When trump leaves for Mexico, Obama builds the wall.

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Jenner7  Aug 30, 2016 • 7:45:51pm
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Jenner7  Aug 30, 2016 • 7:46:33pm

This is fucking crazy.

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Lidane  Aug 30, 2016 • 7:46:35pm

First tweet - the office of Mexico’s president confirming the meeting with Trump.

Second tweet - the first of many Mexicans telling both Trump AND Nieto to go fuck themselves.

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Charles Johnson  Aug 30, 2016 • 7:47:04pm
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Jenner7  Aug 30, 2016 • 7:47:40pm

I saw that President Nieto has a 23% approval rating.

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teleskiguy  Aug 30, 2016 • 7:49:02pm

Ignore his past. Yeah, great idea.

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jaunte  Aug 30, 2016 • 7:50:34pm

re: #149 teleskiguy

He gives his life for the country.

But his campaign contributors have to pay him millions for the Trump airplane.

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teleskiguy  Aug 30, 2016 • 7:51:00pm

re: #149 teleskiguy

Fuck! Parody account. I feel stupid.

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Skip Intro  Aug 30, 2016 • 7:51:11pm

re: #148 Jenner7

I saw that President Nieto has a 23% approval rating.

He seems to be almost as corrupt as Trump. They should hit it off well.

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Targetpractice  Aug 30, 2016 • 7:51:34pm

re: #147 Charles Johnson

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Only way I can see this making any sort of sense is if Nieto is inviting Trump for the purpose of personally spitting in his face.

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teleskiguy  Aug 30, 2016 • 7:52:33pm
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Lidane  Aug 30, 2016 • 7:53:11pm

re: #148 Jenner7

I saw that President Nieto has a 23% approval rating.

Plenty of incentive to be a dick to Trump, then. Trump is hated more than Nieto.

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Stanley Sea  Aug 30, 2016 • 7:53:28pm

Diplomacy?

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Jenner7  Aug 30, 2016 • 7:53:35pm

Question. How can he negotiate anything with the President of Mexico? Isn’t that a big no no? He has no authority to do that.

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Ia! Ia! Trump Ftaghn! (née Sophist)  Aug 30, 2016 • 7:53:38pm

re: #153 Targetpractice

Only way I can see this making any sort of sense is if Nieto is inviting Trump for the purpose of personally spitting in his face.

What if when the time comes, Nieto just doesn’t show up? Would that play as well in Mexico as it would in my living room?

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De Kolta Chair  Aug 30, 2016 • 7:54:17pm
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philosophus invidius  Aug 30, 2016 • 7:54:53pm

re: #158 Ia! Ia! Trump Ftaghn! (née Sophist)

I’m sure that Trump assumes that Nieto is stupid, and that Nieto is ready to exploit this.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Aug 30, 2016 • 7:55:49pm

So Trump didn’t say anything unusually stupid in Everett? I am disappoint!

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Jenner7  Aug 30, 2016 • 7:56:33pm

Not getting shot is a civil rights of our time, says Trump.

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Jenner7  Aug 30, 2016 • 7:56:52pm
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Stanley Sea  Aug 30, 2016 • 7:58:19pm

Hot shower & clean sheets is the only thing that’s gonna save me from this BS tonight.

see ya.

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Eventual Carrion  Aug 30, 2016 • 7:58:39pm

re: #149 teleskiguy

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Ignore his past. Yeah, great idea.

Damn, fake account. I answered too

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calochortus  Aug 30, 2016 • 7:59:25pm

re: #157 Jenner7

Question. How can he negotiate anything with the President of Mexico? Isn’t that a big no no? He has no authority to do that.

He can’t negotiate anything, but they can get to know each other-so when Trump loses and Peña Nieto gets thrown out of office they can go golfing together.

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Charles Johnson  Aug 30, 2016 • 8:00:20pm
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jaunte  Aug 30, 2016 • 8:00:27pm
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philosophus invidius  Aug 30, 2016 • 8:00:46pm

re: #166 calochortus

I does seem like a Hail Mary by Trump.

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Targetpractice  Aug 30, 2016 • 8:01:25pm

God only knows how conservative pundits will spin this, but I imagine it being a major coup for him will be the majority of the spin. He gets to meet with the President of Mexico just before his “big” immigration speech, making it look as if Mexico is ready to support him on his “self-deport” idea. They’re taking the idea of a Trump presidency seriously, while there’s no similar meeting with Hillary because they don’t think she can win and Nieto may even be afraid of being seen with a “criminal.” This will totally silence any concern about Trump’s foreign policy experience because world leaders are meeting with him even before the election!

Yes, I’m a cynic, why do you ask?

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philosophus invidius  Aug 30, 2016 • 8:01:33pm

re: #167 Charles Johnson

The comment section of that article is also a useful source for Talmud quotes.

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Jenner7  Aug 30, 2016 • 8:02:20pm

But how can he get away with saying that?

I know, it’s Trump, but this has real implications to our relationship with Mexico.

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calochortus  Aug 30, 2016 • 8:03:24pm

re: #170 Targetpractice

I thought Peña Nieto offered to meet with both Trump and Clinton?

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Jenner7  Aug 30, 2016 • 8:04:00pm

re: #173 calochortus

He did.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Aug 30, 2016 • 8:04:23pm

re: #8 Brian J.

I ran across this about Blazing Saddles, with interviews. It’s damn good.

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Pawn of the Oppressor  Aug 30, 2016 • 8:04:46pm

Unless it’s a fake-out and Nieto leaves Trump standing on the apron for hours.

“President Nieto… What about Mister Trump? He is at the airport since lunchtime.”
“Oh, was that today?” *laughs* “That’s too bad. Tell him to come back some other time, we’re busy raping and stealing American jobs. HEYOOOOOOO” *high-fives all around*

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whitebeach  Aug 30, 2016 • 8:04:53pm

re: #169 philosophus invidius

I does seem like a Hail Mary by Trump.

I think he may be playing for a Nixon-in-South-America moment. Large crowds of furriners throwing things and damning him to hell. Good for a momentary surge of admiration and sympathy among a certain knee-jerk audience back home.

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teleskiguy  Aug 30, 2016 • 8:04:54pm

The press pool camera panned across the arena in Washington state. Look at all those empty seats!

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GlutenFreeJesus  Aug 30, 2016 • 8:05:02pm

re: #149 teleskiguy

Dont worry about it. Sean actually feels this way.

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teleskiguy  Aug 30, 2016 • 8:08:29pm

Oh god, he’s doing the snake …

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Targetpractice  Aug 30, 2016 • 8:08:51pm

re: #173 calochortus

I thought Peña Nieto offered to meet with both Trump and Clinton?

He did, but that will be lost in the rush to polish Comrade Combover’s posterior. Or they’ll spare a moment to suggest that the reason she’s not accepted the invitation is she’s as afraid of the Mexican press as she is the American press, while the wingnut pundits will whisper it’s because she’s ill and doesn’t want to travel.

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teleskiguy  Aug 30, 2016 • 8:11:26pm

OK, I’ve had enough of The Donald™ ranting. It’s the same shit over and over.

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jaunte  Aug 30, 2016 • 8:13:41pm
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Charles Johnson  Aug 30, 2016 • 8:14:55pm
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Targetpractice  Aug 30, 2016 • 8:19:59pm

As if we didn’t need more proof after their “Shut Down The Foundation” op-ed to realize the New York Times is out of their frakin’ gourds:

I’ll say it again, the bar has been set so low for Trump that he’ll be dubbed the “winner” of the first debate just for not shitting his pants on-stage.

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bratwurst  Aug 30, 2016 • 8:20:02pm

re: #184 Charles Johnson

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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 30, 2016 • 8:20:19pm

re: #184 Charles Johnson

Many people are white nationalists.Maybe engage our ideas instead of being religiously paranoid.

To misquote George Carlin, “Many people are fucking stupid!”

White nationalism. Feh. If you need white privilege to get ahead, then you probably don’t deserve to be where you are.

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jaunte  Aug 30, 2016 • 8:21:17pm

Checkmate, Libs!

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Targetpractice  Aug 30, 2016 • 8:22:06pm

re: #188 jaunte

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Checkmate, Libs!

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(alpuz)  Aug 30, 2016 • 8:22:53pm

re: #175 Eric The Fruit Bat

I ran across this about Blazing Saddles, with interviews. It’s damn good.

oh, man. All the up dings! Thanks

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GlutenFreeJesus  Aug 30, 2016 • 8:23:00pm

re: #188 jaunte

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teleskiguy  Aug 30, 2016 • 8:25:13pm

re: #185 Targetpractice

I’ll say it again, the bar has been set so low for Trump that he’ll be dubbed the “winner” of the first debate just for not shitting his pants on-stage.

This is assuming that The Donald™ will even show up to the debates, which I think he won’t.

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Stanley Sea  Aug 30, 2016 • 8:26:18pm

Hey, as I’m curled up with my kit I’m realizing Curious Lurker hasn’t been around. Have I just missed her?

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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 30, 2016 • 8:27:00pm

re: #188 jaunte

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Checkmate, Libs!

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Targetpractice  Aug 30, 2016 • 8:27:19pm

re: #192 teleskiguy

This is assuming that The Donald™ will even show up to the debates, which I think he won’t.

I suspect he’ll show up for one debate, then immediately decide it wasn’t “fair” to him and refuse to participate in the other two debates. The hope being that he can pull off some sort of Reagan-esque miracle by winning over voters with a single debate performance.

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Jenner7  Aug 30, 2016 • 8:28:25pm

WHAT?

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jaunte  Aug 30, 2016 • 8:28:47pm

re: #193 Stanley Sea

She’s been in and out.

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teleskiguy  Aug 30, 2016 • 8:30:11pm
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Jenner7  Aug 30, 2016 • 8:30:13pm

Does it really matter if he does? It’s Trump.

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jaunte  Aug 30, 2016 • 8:30:36pm

re: #196 Jenner7

I heard it, but I couldn’t understand what he was talking about.

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Jenner7  Aug 30, 2016 • 8:32:00pm

Jeebus.

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teleskiguy  Aug 30, 2016 • 8:33:08pm

Maricopa County’s voters are hateful morons.

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Jenner7  Aug 30, 2016 • 8:34:15pm

re: #200 jaunte

Okay, that makes more sense.

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jaunte  Aug 30, 2016 • 8:35:59pm

re: #203 Jenner7

That’s the sort of sure grasp of the facts I’m looking forward to during the debates.

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teleskiguy  Aug 30, 2016 • 8:36:18pm

Interesting take:

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Jenner7  Aug 30, 2016 • 8:38:11pm
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Targetpractice  Aug 30, 2016 • 8:38:11pm

re: #205 teleskiguy

Interesting take:

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As we saw with Coulter, his base will mentally edit their own views in real-time to continue to believe that he still thinks Mexico is a nation of murderers and rapists.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 30, 2016 • 8:38:19pm

So Trump’s meeting with the only guy in Mexico giving him a run for the money in unpopularity.

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Targetpractice  Aug 30, 2016 • 8:38:46pm

re: #206 Jenner7

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He’ll accept an invitation from the President of Mexico, but not the NAACP.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 30, 2016 • 8:39:12pm

re: #207 Targetpractice

As we saw with Coulter, his base will mentally edit their own views in real-time to continue to believe that he still thinks Mexico is a nation of murderers and rapists.

Nah! They sent all their rapists and murderers HERE!

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Aug 30, 2016 • 8:39:22pm
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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Aug 30, 2016 • 8:41:14pm

re: #210 Blind Frog Belly White

Nah! They sent all their rapists and murderers HERE!

Worked for Cuba in the Mariel Boatlift, so why not?

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CuriousLurker  Aug 30, 2016 • 8:41:34pm

I’m not sure what the goal of this invitation to Mexico is, but Peña Nieto isn’t a political neophyte, so I assume he thinks there’s some benefit in it for him. I guess we’ll see how it pans tomorrow.

Any word on when/if HRC is going?

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jaunte  Aug 30, 2016 • 8:43:49pm
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GlutenFreeJesus  Aug 30, 2016 • 8:45:28pm

Trump lands. Huge protests. Violent. He doesn’t even get off the plane. Turns around after refueling in a matter of minutes and flies back.

“See. I told you they were all bad people!”

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CuriousLurker  Aug 30, 2016 • 8:46:02pm

re: #214 jaunte

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ಠ_ಠ Uh-huh. Please proceed.

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jaunte  Aug 30, 2016 • 8:46:59pm
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bratwurst  Aug 30, 2016 • 8:47:38pm

Is it any wonder Twitter struggles as a business when authoring an article like this results in heaps of abuse?

I salute Charles, Lawhawk and others here willing to do battle with human dreck on a daily basis. I hate hearing from these people so much that I keep a fairly low profile…learned my lesson after replying to Drudge, Scott “Dilbert” Adams and Glenn Beck tweets.

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Jenner7  Aug 30, 2016 • 8:48:23pm
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Targetpractice  Aug 30, 2016 • 8:48:31pm

re: #214 jaunte

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Ah, so he’s chosen seppuku.

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jaunte  Aug 30, 2016 • 8:50:10pm

‘Pena Nieto is participating in the propaganda of one of the worst enemies of the country.’

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BlueGrl21  Aug 30, 2016 • 8:50:36pm

re: #214 jaunte

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Donald Trump is not a world leader and dialogue with him is ridiculous. I don’t see Justin Trudeau inviting Donald up north to take in the sights. There is no reason to legitimize Donald Trump, especially when he has managed to insult your entire country. None.

Trump can do nothing to serve the international interests of Mexico unless they’re working to get the Miss Universe pageant there in 2018.

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jaunte  Aug 30, 2016 • 8:51:45pm

Reload, I messed up formatting on 221

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GlutenFreeJesus  Aug 30, 2016 • 8:53:36pm

Maybe Nieto punches him in the face and reverses his popularity in his country.

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Jenner7  Aug 30, 2016 • 8:53:56pm
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jaunte  Aug 30, 2016 • 8:54:04pm

“It’s sort of a strange time,” said Artemio “Temo” Muniz, chairman of the Texas Federation of Hispanic Republicans.
texastribune.org

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CuriousLurker  Aug 30, 2016 • 8:54:14pm

I wonder if Von ClownStick has forgotten his El Chapo dis? I’ll bet El Chapo hasn’t, so it’s prolly a good thing for the Oompa Loompa that he’s back in custody.

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Jenner7  Aug 30, 2016 • 8:55:34pm
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MsJ  Aug 30, 2016 • 8:56:26pm

re: #15 Targetpractice

“We’re not paying for your damn wall, Don.”

Actually, I believe the quote was specifically, “I’m not gonna pay for that fucking wall”.

digg.com

Or the current President: Nope.

cnn.com

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KingKenrod  Aug 30, 2016 • 8:59:46pm

Nieto’s term is up in 2018. Perhaps he’s thinking that a “favor” to Trump now may payoff big for him personally when his term is up. Such a favor would be meaningless after Trump loses the election.

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Targetpractice  Aug 30, 2016 • 9:01:44pm

re: #225 Jenner7

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Smart thing would be to say she’ll happily meet with Nieto next year, when they can meet as fellow heads of state.

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jaunte  Aug 30, 2016 • 9:02:52pm
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Joe Bacon  Aug 30, 2016 • 9:04:23pm
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De Kolta Chair  Aug 30, 2016 • 9:09:39pm

Original artwork for the Japanese poster of Francis Ford Coppola’s Apocalypse Now (1979)

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jaunte  Aug 30, 2016 • 9:11:19pm
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BigPapa  Aug 30, 2016 • 9:11:46pm

re: #233 Joe Bacon

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MsJ  Aug 30, 2016 • 9:13:27pm

Hubby just said that Trump and the Mexican president meet…then Nieto walks out and says that “It’s ok, Trump told me there won’t be any wall and he’s just saying that to feed the chumps for votes.”

Honestly, I’d pay money for that to happen.

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Jenner7  Aug 30, 2016 • 9:14:31pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 30, 2016 • 9:18:40pm

“Ready the Trump sized Pinata!”

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teleskiguy  Aug 30, 2016 • 9:24:20pm

re: #233 Joe Bacon

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goddamnedfrank  Aug 30, 2016 • 9:25:36pm
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Targetpractice  Aug 30, 2016 • 9:26:29pm

White House tomorrow: “Maybe Trump’s right, maybe we should renegotiate NAFTA.”

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BigPapa  Aug 30, 2016 • 9:26:35pm

‘If Trump comes back tomorrow with a check..’

OMG. He’s fucking serious.

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teleskiguy  Aug 30, 2016 • 9:29:17pm
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goddamnedfrank  Aug 30, 2016 • 9:37:50pm
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freetoken  Aug 30, 2016 • 9:40:10pm

Of course they do:

Adventists to Open Creation Study Center at ‘Birthplace of Evolution’

Charles Darwin may have seen the archipelago of Galápagos as the inspiration for his evolutionist work The Origin of Species in 1859.

But Seventh-day Adventist scientists see it as an ideal environment to study biblical Creation.

[…]

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KGxvi  Aug 30, 2016 • 9:47:53pm

Nieto’s smartest play would have been something like:

Donald Trump is running for president of the United States, it would be inappropriate for me, as head of government/state of another country to meet with him prior to the election. Out of respect for the democratic process, we should strive to avoid interfering with elections in other nations.

And then ended with former President Fox’s response:

Former Mexican President to Trump: ‘I’m not going to pay for that fucking wall’

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KGxvi  Aug 30, 2016 • 9:49:52pm

re: #241 goddamnedfrank

I mentioned before, I know Canova, he was one of my law professors… It’s a shame to see him go out like that. He really is a better guy than that.

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Targetpractice  Aug 30, 2016 • 9:50:39pm

re: #247 KGxvi

Nieto’s smartest play would have been something like:

And then ended with former President Fox’s response:

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Apparently the initial reports were a bit mistaken, it was Nieto who extended the invitations, or at least that’s how it seems to read. If so, then I really do wonder what his thinking is here…and if the thinking has a “₽” in front of it.

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KGxvi  Aug 30, 2016 • 9:55:24pm

re: #249 Targetpractice

Apparently the initial reports were a bit mistaken, it was Nieto who extended the invitations, or at least that’s how it seems to read. If so, then I really do wonder what his thinking is here…and if the thinking has a “₽” in front of it.

Reading up on it now… apparently Nieto made an invitation to both Trump and Clinton. Not sure I like the move, as I said, it’s somewhat bad form for a head of state to get involved in another country’s election. Trump is definitely up to something, I just don’t know what it is… as I think Nate Silver said on 538, Trump may be listening to five different people and going with who ever spoke last.

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teleskiguy  Aug 30, 2016 • 10:21:40pm

Highly recommended. I’m sure some Lizards actually saw this ad on TV back in the day.

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MsJ  Aug 30, 2016 • 10:24:11pm
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MsJ  Aug 30, 2016 • 10:29:39pm

re: #251 teleskiguy

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Highly recommended. I’m sure some Lizards actually saw this ad on TV back in the day.

That was eerily…redundant. Outstanding find that was.

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Targetpractice  Aug 30, 2016 • 10:29:54pm

re: #252 MsJ

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Major ad buy? When the media’s giving him millions in free advertising and spending hours daily attacking his opponent because she won’t play footsie with them?

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teleskiguy  Aug 30, 2016 • 10:33:27pm

re: #253 MsJ

That was eerily…redundant.

INORITE?!?

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LastYearsMan  Aug 30, 2016 • 10:34:04pm
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MsJ  Aug 30, 2016 • 10:34:45pm

re: #254 Targetpractice

Major ad buy? When the media’s giving him millions in free advertising and spending hours daily attacking his opponent because she won’t play footsie with them?

I know, right? I can’t turn on a news or political show without it being nothing but trump. I can’t stand it anymore. Just listening to trump speak is making me nuts.

I’m going to kill my husband for his constant need to watch political bullshit. One of us is going down. Likely both of us when I kill him and then wind up in prison for life.

Thank god I’m going away this weekend.

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MsJ  Aug 30, 2016 • 10:43:04pm

Republicans, man.

“How can you have a gang, and have one in your gang get stabbed, and do nothing?” another member asked. “You got to stab somebody, or else what’s the point of having a gang?”

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MsJ  Aug 30, 2016 • 10:45:23pm

These clown are the gift of laughter that keeps on giving.

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freetoken  Aug 30, 2016 • 10:53:46pm

So, governor Good Hair is doing DWTS - because of course he is - and here is the blurb on the ABC news site:

RICK PERRY - Rick Perry is a veteran of the United States Air Force, a former farmer and the former governor of Texas. He has devoted his adult life to creating prosperity and opportunity for families. As the 47th and longest-serving governor of the Lone Star State, he championed conservative principles that helped Texas become America’s economic engine. He married his childhood sweetheart, Anita, in 1982. They have two children and two beautiful granddaughters. See Rick Perry’s full bio on his cast page. Rick teams with pro partner Emma Slater.

Not really journalism, but we probably shouldn’t expect that from reality TV.

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Targetpractice  Aug 30, 2016 • 10:59:37pm

re: #258 MsJ

Republicans, man.

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It’s amazing that Boehner hasn’t dropped dead from laughter yet, watching all the shit that the “Freedom Caucus” morons spent years piling atop his head now coming down on Ryan’s.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 30, 2016 • 11:24:14pm

re: #258 MsJ

We’re at the point now where being Speaker of the House is like being the drummer for Spinal Tap.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 30, 2016 • 11:25:59pm

re: #260 freetoken

Reality TV has almost nothing to do with actual reality.

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Lancelot Link  Aug 30, 2016 • 11:34:03pm
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Ia! Ia! Trump Ftaghn! (née Sophist)  Aug 30, 2016 • 11:35:12pm

re: #262 Eclectic Cyborg

We’re at the point now where being Speaker of the House is like being the drummer for Spinal Tap.

Or second in command of Al Qaeda.

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Nyet  Aug 30, 2016 • 11:41:10pm

This post could be updated with some of the more interesting details of MacDonald’s past and present (not many will read the long SPLC article): his role as a defense “expert” on Jews in the Irving v. Lipstadt trial, his close association with Duke (not simply Duke praising him but rather them collaborating frequently), him heading a neofascist party…

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Anymouse  Aug 30, 2016 • 11:45:45pm

re: #50 Blind Frog Belly White

And of course, All Politics Is Local, so the Screams of the Bernie Bros may not have moved the people who’ve been sending her to Congress for some time, not to mention Clinton cleaned Sanders’ clock in the Florida Primary.

Speaking of local: Got back a couple hours ago from the county Democratic Party meeting.

There were about ten people there. Our county party is primarily elderly, and one of the issues brought up was how to increase membership.

My wife introduced herself (having only been to the caucus in the past since switching parties). The treasurer lead the meeting (because the chair and vice-chair were not present).

My wife straight away noted she was a Libertarian Party member in the past, to dispel the notion she was trying to rodent-copulate the group. She then put forth her idea to put up an entirely new Website for our county party. (My wife runs a Webhosting service.)

She noted that the best way for a small group like ours here would be to put up a blog-style Website, and distribute the password to make posts to all the party officials and others they deemed appropriate. The purpose of the blog would be to post upcoming events, issues coming up in the Unicameral, and issues coming up in the county board of supervisors and the three incorporated cities in the county.

The county party (with my abstention since she is my wife) agreed to put my wife in charge of a new Website. On the issue of paying for it, we opted to eat the cost ourselves (it isn’t very much). The county party will notify the state party that our new official Website will be hers.

She will set it up so people can E-mail officials through the site, so they do not need to expose private E-mail addresses to hate mail (you should see what comes through my E-mail box).

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Nyet  Aug 30, 2016 • 11:47:26pm

re: #159 De Kolta Chair

Em, consider the source. And don’t forget the existence of Photoshop.

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Nyet  Aug 30, 2016 • 11:56:41pm

Ben Garrison is getting more disgusting with each cartoon.

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Nyet  Aug 31, 2016 • 12:21:14am

Patton Oswalt with Nick Bougas AKA “A. Wyatt Mann”, the author of the dozens of “classic” neo-Nazi cartoons, including the “Happy Merchant” meme.

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Nyet  Aug 31, 2016 • 12:30:15am

From the DailyCaller article on Donny Ratface’s retweet:

Kevin MacDonald, who earned a Ph.D. from the University of Connecticut in biobehavioral sciences in 1981, is well-known in alt-right circles as a leading intellectual for his innovative work on group evolutionary theory and advocacy of Western culture. During his career, MacDonald has written more than 100 scholarly articles and seven books.

He has, however, been widely accused of anti-semitism by organizations like the Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC) for his research on ethnic competition — in particular his arguments that Jews on average have higher verbal IQs and levels of ethnocentrism, compared to whites, which they then use to advance Jewish interests at the expense of the given host society. His academic work has been translated into Danish, Dutch, Finnish, German, Russian and many other languages.

The SPLC has also classified the Family Research Council as a hate group for apparently promoting hate and intolerance towards the LGBT community.

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Nyet  Aug 31, 2016 • 12:52:18am

How to win friends and influence people:

Will Black Lives Matters drive a wedge between Jews and African-Americans?

As I wrote earlier, BLM’s shot in own foot.

—-

From the same site, on Netanyahu’s bromance with Eurofascists:

Why Europe’s far-right political parties are gaining ground?

So why are members of the ruling Likud party in Israel making increasing efforts to engage with the young leadership of conservative parties throughout Europe? The belief, according to Michael Kleiner, president of Likud’s tribunal, is that these parties share their ideology.

“This is a bloc that is becoming stronger in the European Parliament,” Kleiner told jns.org. He contends the parties are pro-Israel and have taken steps to clean house, apologizing for their anti-Semitic pasts.

“The fascist party in Italy was taken over by [Gianfranco] Fini,” Kleiner said. “He cleaned the platform and made it pro-Israel, pro-Jews and apologized for that part of the platform which was anti-Jewish in the 1930s.”

Kleiner has been inviting far-right party leaders to Israel, including representatives from Germany’s Christian Democrats, the Danish People’s Party, France’s National Front and Austria’s Freedom Party.

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Nyet  Aug 31, 2016 • 1:04:17am

re: #272 Nyet

BTW, remembering the weird discussion where my opponent denied that that was a BLM platform that claimed Israel committed genocide against Palestinians, here’s the linguist John McWhorter:

courier-journal.com

There was a time when Black Lives Matter was committed, principally, to protecting black people from being killed by police. They have expanded their purview lately.

Last week, a consortium of over 60 independent Black Lives Matter organizations released a platform addressing issues facing African Americans. They’ve come a long way, indeed, from a cluster of activists demonstrating and tweeting from Ferguson, Mo. Their platform has six main planks, each with several sub-planks, constituting a list of demands that would make the heart of any progressive civil rights leader swoon.

[…]

By the time the platform gets to breaking up big banks and getting big money out of politics, it becomes clear that Black Lives Matter has grown from a very specific - and noble - mission into a call for an entire leftist revolution. In the parlance of contemporary social media discourse, Black Lives Matter is the quintessence of “woke.”

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sagehen  Aug 31, 2016 • 1:07:23am

re: #267 Anymouse

You need one of these

vintage 1972
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Nyet  Aug 31, 2016 • 1:16:10am

re: #269 Nyet

re: #270 Nyet

Garrison’s drawing style reminds me of AWM/Bougas’.

Now I find this (excuse the link to Enc.Dram.):
(Warning: NSFW, racist graphics)

Image: Who_is_Ben_Garrison.jpg

It’s getting curioser and curioser.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 31, 2016 • 1:17:55am

re: #55 Backwoods_Sleuth

Looks like crowd of protesters outside Trump WA rally now outnumber line of supporters immediately outside of arena

Crowd attendance means nothing/everything, as do polling results, depending on who they support.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 31, 2016 • 1:28:29am

re: #84 ObserverArt

I’m sure you are very familiar with the term “going through the motions.”

American’s are real good for that kind of thing. Go through the motions with everyone else and you are good to go as you fit in.

I recall a comment on this site about how people who really do not understand what concepts like patriotism, Christianity or manhood truly mean simply cling to arbitrary symbols like flag lapel pins, crosses or large-magazine weapons, and are very upset when the latter are not treated with “due respect”.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 31, 2016 • 1:34:53am

re: #202 teleskiguy

Latest: Sheriff Joe Arpaio beats 3 rivals to win the Republican nomination in his bid for a 7th term

Maricopa County’s voters are hateful morons.

People there wanted Law and Order writ big and Low Taxes writ even bigger. Sheriff Joe was the logical outcome.

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Anymouse  Aug 31, 2016 • 1:56:00am

re: #277 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I recall a comment on this site about how people who really do not understand what concepts like patriotism, Christianity or manhood truly mean simply cling to arbitrary symbols like flag lapel pins, crosses or large-magazine weapons, and are very upset when the latter are not treated with “due respect”.

I am a disabled veteran.

I do not wear a flag lapel pin (and certainly not a cross, since I am an atheist). I do wear a Gold Star Family pin. I do have a shotgun, which I keep locked up.

And as a veteran, although I don’t like the catchphrase “I defended freedom,” in one way I did: That includes such things as the right to have different opinions about flags, pins, crosses, and respect.

On the latter, respect is not given; respect is earned.

In a patriotic ceremony in my county (like a parade here in my village, or the annual Veterans Appreciation Day function in the county seat), I will salute a paraded flag (as the Flag Code says I may). Long hair, atheist Democrat and all.

Someone else who does not place hand over heart or remove their hat? Ain’t my business.

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Nyet  Aug 31, 2016 • 1:59:09am

Wait, the Antichrist came yesterday?

removed

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Dr Lizardo  Aug 31, 2016 • 2:03:05am

re: #280 Nyet

Wait, the Antichrist came yesterday?

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These people (regardless of their faith) continue to make fools of themselves on a routine basis, yet their following continues. Just as how it was pointed out in “When Prophecy Fails”.

Sad, but true.

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Nyet  Aug 31, 2016 • 2:14:00am

re: #280 Nyet

Seems to come from a dodgy channel that has such video titles without much relation to what’s actually in the videos…

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Shiplord Kirel  Aug 31, 2016 • 2:14:15am

re: #272 Nyet

How to win friends and influence people:

Will Black Lives Matters drive a wedge between Jews and African-Americans?

As I wrote earlier, BLM’s shot in own foot.

—-

From the same site, on Netanyahu’s bromance with Eurofascists:

“The fascist party in Italy was taken over by [Gianfranco] Fini,” Kleiner said. “He cleaned the platform and made it pro-Israel, pro-Jews and apologized for that part of the platform which was anti-Jewish in the 1930s.”

Kleiner has been inviting far-right party leaders to Israel, including representatives from Germany’s Christian Democrats, the Danish People’s Party, France’s National Front and Austria’s Freedom Party.

Why Europe’s far-right political parties are gaining ground?

What the actual fuck? Israel in bed with honest-to-God Mussolini fascists? Shoot me now, I’ve seen everything.

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Anymouse  Aug 31, 2016 • 2:14:42am

re: #281 Dr Lizardo

These people (regardless of their faith) continue to make fools of themselves on a routine basis, yet their following continues. Just as how it was pointed out in “When Prophecy Fails”.

Sad, but true.

Well, the Antichrist might have come on August 30, but he has to grow up first. /s

And if conservatives were not so intransigent about abortion, they could have taken care of it. /s

Therefore, it’s conservatives that promote the Antichrist, QED.

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Timothy Watson  Aug 31, 2016 • 2:21:01am

re: #272 Nyet

Kleiner has been inviting far-right party leaders to Israel, including representatives from Germany’s Christian Democrats, the Danish People’s Party, France’s National Front and Austria’s Freedom Party.

Since when was CDU “far-right”?

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 31, 2016 • 2:22:51am

re: #285 Timothy Watson

Since when was CDU “far-right”?

A party that allows over a million Syrian and Middle Eastern refugees into the country is “far right”?

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Nyet  Aug 31, 2016 • 2:25:17am

re: #283 Shiplord Kirel

What the actual fuck? Israel in bed with honest-to-God Mussolini fascists? Shoot me now, I’ve seen everything.

Not Israel as a whole, but rather the spiritual ancestors of Jabotinsky.

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Nyet  Aug 31, 2016 • 2:25:37am

re: #285 Timothy Watson

Since when was CDU “far-right”?

Since never.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 31, 2016 • 2:26:24am

re: #287 Nyet

Not Israel as a whole, but rather the spiritual ancestors of Jabotinsky.

and distant relatives of Kick Buttowski?

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goddamnedfrank  Aug 31, 2016 • 2:27:10am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 31, 2016 • 2:30:05am

re: #290 goddamnedfrank

Why would nationalist bigots in US align themselves with Putin?

Because he rides bareback, bare-chested, and kills bears with his bare hands. And they have a weakness for manly men who do manly things in a manly manner.

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Nyet  Aug 31, 2016 • 2:31:24am

re: #291 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Because he rides bearback, bear-chested, and kills bears with his bear hands.

ftfy

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Timothy Watson  Aug 31, 2016 • 2:33:12am

re: #286 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

re: #288 Nyet

That’s what I thought given my limited knowledge of German politics.

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Anymouse  Aug 31, 2016 • 2:34:40am

re: #283 Shiplord Kirel

What the actual fuck? Israel in bed with honest-to-God Mussolini fascists? Shoot me now, I’ve seen everything.

The convergence of derp.

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Nyet  Aug 31, 2016 • 2:37:32am

re: #287 Nyet

Not Israel as a whole, but rather the spiritual ancestors of Jabotinsky.

To wit:

herut.org.il

Herut: the National Movement proudly maintains the vision of Greater Israel. This vision was promised by our Father in Heaven to our ancestors Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.

The Party considers Israel’s demographic problem as the most serious threat to the existence of the Jewish State. This issue must be elevated to the level of national priority.
The Party favors the establishment of a Government Ministry of Demographic Affairs that will be mandated to deal with this issue.

The Party will work toward educating the public regarding the demographic problem, which stems from the disloyalties of the majority of the Israeli Arab population.

The Party will introduce legislation supporting emigration to Arab countries. The legislation will call for an emigration financial compensation package for every resident of Israel who will emigrate to an Arab country and who will renounce his Israeli citizenship and/or resident status.

Kleiner runs this sub-party.

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Nyet  Aug 31, 2016 • 2:48:10am

re: #295 Nyet

Kleiner has been at it for some time. From an older article about Netanyahu’s flirting with Eurofascists:

Many conservatives in Israel now see the European right wing as being the only reliable partner on a continent where, they say, anti-Semitism has become rooted in the political mainstream. Right-wing parties, says Kleiner of Likud, “are better at recognising the real danger that Europe is facing from the Muslims … . They are less naive than the Left.”

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Nyet  Aug 31, 2016 • 2:49:44am

re: #296 Nyet

Far-Right Austrian Leader Visits Israel, Yad Vashem
Why did Likud invite Heinz-Christian Strache, who has been accused of anti-Semitism in the past?

Israel’s Channel 1 named Eli Hazan, head of the Likud’s department for foreign diplomacy and external ties, and Michael Kleiner, president of Likud’s tribunal, as those actively pushing for closer ties with Austria’s far right. “Kleiner has connections to Strache and the FPÖ, and has been trying for years to persuade Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, senior cabinet members, and the Foreign Ministry to change their attitude to them and to lift the ban forbidding any association with them,” Barak Ravid wrote in Haaretz.

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Shiplord Kirel  Aug 31, 2016 • 2:50:59am

re: #285 Timothy Watson

Since when was CDU “far-right”?

I was a bit puzzled by that myself. The most prominent far right party in Germany is the Alternative for Germany, currently run by Frauke Petry. The author might be confusing the National Democratic Party with someone else, but NDP remains virulently antisemitic.

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Nyet  Aug 31, 2016 • 2:54:10am

re: #298 Shiplord Kirel

Just a brainfart on the author’s part. It doesn’t change what Kleiner said.

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goddamnedfrank  Aug 31, 2016 • 3:05:57am

re: #272 Nyet

How to win friends and influence people:

Will Black Lives Matters drive a wedge between Jews and African-Americans?

There seems to be a phenomenon where reform movements over time tend to become increasingly co-opted by an accumulation of interests unrelated to their original inception. Decentralization speeds this process, as does any lack of focus or adherence to a clear, concise, single cause of action. As such Occupy Wall Street didn’t last long before it became a smorgasbord of fringe liberal causes. My theory is that BLM (at least the semi-official MBL org) held out somewhat longer because the original focus was much better defined and as a black dominated movement it was for some time better situated to resist the accretion of assorted proglodyte nonsense. Now that era seems to be over.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 31, 2016 • 3:07:29am

re: #300 goddamnedfrank

There seems to be a phenomenon where reform movements over time tend to become increasingly co-opted by an accumulation of interests unrelated to their original inception. Decentralization speeds this process, as does any lack of focus or adherence to a clear, concise, single cause of action. As such Occupy Wall Street didn’t last long before it became a smorgasbord of fringe liberal causes. My theory is that BLM (at least the semi-official MBL org) held out somewhat longer because the original focus was much better defined and as a black dominated movement it was for some time better situated to resist the accretion of assorted proglodyte nonsense. Now that era seems to be over.

And a lot of people have an interest in seeing BLM become subverted and dream of the day when it can be branded an “extremist” or “hate” group.

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Nyet  Aug 31, 2016 • 3:18:47am

re: #300 goddamnedfrank

Mission creep.
Could have probably been stemmed by other leaders (like McKesson, who is notably not a part of the platform-supporting coalition) publicly distancing themselves. It would have caused some (probably minor) infighting but would have also shown that BLM is not a monolith (which is a fact in real life, but not necessarily in the mediasphere) and speaks in many voices.

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Nyet  Aug 31, 2016 • 3:19:52am

re: #301 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

And a lot of people have an interest in seeing BLM become subverted and dream of the day when it can be branded an “extremist” or “hate” group.

Some idiots already dream of this: Outlawing the Racist “Black Lives Matter” Movement.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 31, 2016 • 3:24:00am

re: #303 Nyet

Some idiots already dream of this: Outlawing the Racist “Black Lives Matter” Movement.

They are also miffed that the SPLC has labelled White Lives Matter as a hate group and just want to get their own back.

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Nyet  Aug 31, 2016 • 3:26:45am

re: #304 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

They are also miffed that the SPLC has labelled White Lives Matter as a hate group and just want to get their own back.

I dunno if they necessarily support WLM, since WLM would probably want to put them in the ovens.

Then again, as excerpts above demonstrate, suicidal pacts are nothing new.

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Nyet  Aug 31, 2016 • 3:27:37am

Get a load of this.

twitter.com

Apparently some rrrrevolutionaries who think BLM/Deray/etc. are govt stooges.

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Anymouse  Aug 31, 2016 • 3:30:51am

re: #304 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

They are also miffed that the SPLC has labelled White Lives Matter as a hate group and just want to get their own back.

I’ve been going through some of the extremist files at SPLC on various individuals and organisations this evening.

Imagine my surprise that George Wallace’s “Wallace Youth Alliance” became the best-organised and dangerous neo-Nazi group, the National Alliance. Further, folk like Pamela Geller and Richard Spencer were inspired by such people. The White Citizens Councils became the Concerned Conservative Citizens (directly), and includes to this day a number of GOP politicians.

Actually, not surprised at all. And the GOP claims they wonder where Donald Trump came from? He’s practically their Messiah.

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Nyet  Aug 31, 2016 • 3:31:20am

re: #306 Nyet

E.g.:

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Anymouse  Aug 31, 2016 • 3:32:38am

re: #308 Nyet

I’ll bet this fellow has no clue what “neo-liberal” even means.

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Nyet  Aug 31, 2016 • 3:33:01am

re: #308 Nyet

Didn’t you hear?

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Nyet  Aug 31, 2016 • 3:33:23am

re: #309 Anymouse

I’ll bet this fellow has no clue what “neo-liberal” even means.

Just a buzzword that’s losing its meaning fast.

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Nyet  Aug 31, 2016 • 3:34:10am
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Timothy Watson  Aug 31, 2016 • 3:35:11am

re: #308 Nyet

E.g.:

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Is there a term for the words and phrases used by the “revolutionaries”?

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 31, 2016 • 3:36:31am

re: #307 Anymouse

I’ve been going through some of the extremist files at SPLC on various individuals and organisations this evening.

Imagine my surprise that George Wallace’s “Wallace Youth Alliance” became the best-organised and dangerous neo-Nazi group, the National Alliance. Further, folk like Pamela Geller and Richard Spencer were inspired by such people. The White Citizens Councils became the Concerned Conservative Citizens (directly), and includes to this day a number of GOP politicians.

Actually, not surprised at all. And the GOP claims they wonder where Donald Trump came from? He’s practically their Messiah.

So basically, the GOP Southern Strategy has broken loose and is now invading the North…

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Nyet  Aug 31, 2016 • 3:37:03am

re: #312 Nyet

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Nyet  Aug 31, 2016 • 3:38:13am

OK, that’s like BernieBro JillShills on Russian steroids.

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Anymouse  Aug 31, 2016 • 3:38:19am

re: #313 Timothy Watson

Is there a term for the words and phrases used by the “revolutionaries”?

Well, “word salad” has already been claimed by Sarah Palin.

Perhaps “sentence garden?”

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 31, 2016 • 3:39:13am

re: #317 Anymouse

Well, “word salad” has already been claimed by Sarah Palin.

Perhaps “sentence garden?”

logoplasma is the term from particle physics

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Anymouse  Aug 31, 2016 • 3:40:34am

re: #318 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

logoplasma is the term from particle physics

Logolacking?

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Nyet  Aug 31, 2016 • 3:42:02am

re: #318 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

logoplasma is the term from particle physics

Logorrhaea.

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Anymouse  Aug 31, 2016 • 3:46:56am

re: #320 Nyet

Logorrhaea.

For the win.

I surrender to your superior wit.

I am reading now about an “alliance” of racist groups, which SPLC characterises as “desperation” by those groups due to declining interest.

Not quite sure about that, but it is an interesting read.

splcenter.org

Right-wing groups, very much like left-wing groups, tend to take on both causes not germane to their founding, and egos that cannot be constrained by the groups’ goals. They tend to self-destruct in squabbles over goals, money, or power within the group.

For the most part though (like Occupy), left-wing groups don’t do it with guns, like The Order or the Posse Comitatus.

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Nyet  Aug 31, 2016 • 3:50:31am

re: #321 Anymouse

Back in the Occupy days I never supported OWS as such - also for the reason you outline, although I did write a lot in defense of it against the unfair attacks (from the likes of Killgore Trout).

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William Lewis  Aug 31, 2016 • 3:53:33am

re: #322 Nyet

I must admit I enjoyed poking KT with a sharp stick over his hilarious ideas of what the left is. I wonder if he’s still looking for Reds under his Bed?

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Anymouse  Aug 31, 2016 • 3:54:10am

re: #322 Nyet

Back in the Occupy days I never supported OWS as such - also for the reason you outline, although I did write a lot in defense of it against the unfair attacks (from the likes of Killgore Trout).

I mostly didn’t pay much attention to OWS. It seemed clear to me from the beginning of the movement they had no idea what they were doing, or what they even really wanted.

I would rather work in a pragmatic fashion to achieve more liberal goals (like run for office and bring forth ideas in a political forum).

Reading now about William Pierce. Boy, he was a real piece of work
splcenter.org

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Nyet  Aug 31, 2016 • 3:55:39am

re: #324 Anymouse

Such movements have their place. How do you achieve progress without being pushed? In that sense I think BLM was more successful than OWS (if only because it has already influenced the woman who will be the next US President).

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Nyet  Aug 31, 2016 • 3:57:04am

I promised I won’t attack Bernie… but really. This whole Our Revolution/Weaver story is just such a great example of incompetence.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 31, 2016 • 3:57:26am

re: #324 Anymouse

I mostly didn’t pay much attention to OWS. It seemed clear to me from the beginning of the movement they had no idea what they were doing, or what they even really wanted.

OWS was a group (or rather various groups) of people occupying public parks and spaces while demanding various things, some of which I agreed with (at least in principle).

But their very structure made it impossible to hold any one particular member or members responsible for the actions of other members.

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Emptor scriptor Remorse  Aug 31, 2016 • 4:00:49am

What is the difference between a hurricane, a cyclone, and a typhoon?

Hurricanes, cyclones, and typhoons are all the same weather phenomenon; we just use different names for these storms in different places. In the Atlantic and Northeast Pacific, the term “hurricane” is used. The same type of disturbance in the Northwest Pacific is called a “typhoon” and “cyclones” occur in the South Pacific and Indian Ocean.

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Anymouse  Aug 31, 2016 • 4:02:33am

I wonder if this is where Donald Trump got his ideas on marriage: from the National Alliance leader Pierce I noted I was reading about above.

According to Fame of a Dead Man’s Deeds, Pierce married five times. His first wife was Patricia Jones, whom he met while at the California Institute of Technology. They were married in 1957 and had twins sons, Kelvin and Erik, born in 1962. The marriage ended in divorce in 1982. Pierce was remarried that same year to Elizabeth Prostel, who worked for the NA. The marriage ended in 1985, when Pierce moved his headquarters to West Virginia. In Fame of a Dead Man’s Deeds, Pierce talks of preferring immigrant women from Eastern Europe. He married Hungarian Olga Skerlecz in 1986, a marriage that lasted until 1990, when she left Pierce and West Virginia “for greener pastures in California.” Pierce then wed a woman named Zsuzsannah, also Hungarian, in early 1991. They met through an ad that Pierce placed in a Hungarian women’s magazine. Zsuzsannah left him for Florida in mid-1996. His last marriage, which lasted until his death, was with another Eastern European woman whom he married in 1997. He was sharp and condescending toward his last wife, identified only with the pseudonym Irena in Fame, when he was not ignoring her. Irena was miserable living with the savior of the white race.

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Nyet  Aug 31, 2016 • 4:04:01am

re: #328 Emptor scriptor Remorse

What’s the reason for this?

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peguyjaures  Aug 31, 2016 • 4:04:56am

MESS Festival 2016 poster

Today in worldwide Trump news, I give you the freshly-issued poster for the MESS theater festival in Sarajevo… :D

Short background: MESS is a veteran festival founded in the heydays of Yugoslavia, back in the 60s. It has been active ever since, even during the war years and the siege (when Susan Sontag came to stage-direct a Samuel Beckett play). MESS stands for the original name of the festival in “the language formerly known as Serbo-Croatian”: International Festival of Small and Experimental Scene.

It was always edgy and subversive, bringing to Sarajevo experimental theater from East and West.
Enjoy their take on Trump!

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 31, 2016 • 4:04:57am

re: #328 Emptor scriptor Remorse

What is the difference between a hurricane, a cyclone, and a typhoon?

I also assumed that cyclones rotate counterclockwise.

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Anymouse  Aug 31, 2016 • 4:08:45am

re: #332 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I also assumed that cyclones rotate counterclockwise.

Unless you’re talking about a cyclone on the High Plains (a tornado).

Cyclones in the Southern Hemisphere (whether tornadoes or tropical storms) rotate clockwise.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Aug 31, 2016 • 4:08:53am

re: #331 peguyjaures

….MESS stands for the original name of the festival in “the language formerly known as Serbo-Croatian”….

Formerly? What’s it known as now? I’ve never called it anything else.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 31, 2016 • 4:11:38am

re: #334 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Formerly? What’s it known as now? I’ve never called it anything else.

according to Wiki:

Serbo-Croatian was standardized in the mid-19th-century Vienna Literary Agreement by Croatian and Serbian writers and philologists, decades before a Yugoslav state was established…The breakup of Yugoslavia affected language attitudes, so that social conceptions of the language separated on ethnic and political lines. Since the breakup of Yugoslavia, Bosnian has likewise been established as an official standard in Bosnia and Herzegovina, and there is an ongoing movement to codify a separate Montenegrin standard. Serbo-Croatian thus generally goes by the ethnic names Serbian, Croatian, Bosnian, and sometimes Montenegrin and Bunjevac

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Nyet  Aug 31, 2016 • 4:14:10am

re: #334 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Formerly? What’s it known as now?

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Aug 31, 2016 • 4:17:15am

re: #335 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

according to Wiki:

Serbo-Croatian was standardized in the mid-19th-century Vienna Literary Agreement by Croatian and Serbian writers and philologists, decades before a Yugoslav state was established…The breakup of Yugoslavia affected language attitudes, so that social conceptions of the language separated on ethnic and political lines. Since the breakup of Yugoslavia, Bosnian has likewise been established as an official standard in Bosnia and Herzegovina, and there is an ongoing movement to codify a separate Montenegrin standard. Serbo-Croatian thus generally goes by the ethnic names Serbian, Croatian, Bosnian, and sometimes Montenegrin and Bunjevac

I know that Serbo-Croatian is divided into three dialects, but the dialect lines cut straight across these ethnic groupings. These new ethnic names for the same language seem really misleading from a linguistic point of view.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 31, 2016 • 4:18:30am

re: #337 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

I know that Serbo-Croatian is divided into three dialects, but the dialect lines cut straight across these ethnic groupings. These new ethnic names for the same language seem really misleading from a linguistic point of view.

My grandmother was an acerbic Croatian.

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Anymouse  Aug 31, 2016 • 4:19:46am

re: #338 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

My grandmother was an acerbic Croatian.

:p

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peguyjaures  Aug 31, 2016 • 4:20:02am

re: #334 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Well, tricky question actually, as it depends both on where you are (geographically) and where you stand (politically)… To over-simplify, it’s now called Bosnian, Serbian, Croatian and now even Montenegrin… Although most Bosnian Serbs and Croats would call it “Serbian” and “Croatian” - even when they speak the same local variant distinct from Serbian from Serbia and Croatian from Croatia…

International organisations often use the acronym “BCSM” to designate the language…

As for locals, it’s quite common that they avoid the debate altogether and refer to the language as “nas jezik”, “our language”…

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Nyet  Aug 31, 2016 • 4:21:08am

I’ll go visit a local BCSM club.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Aug 31, 2016 • 4:21:12am

re: #337 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Of course, I let people call Hindi and Urdu different languages on the exact same basis as “Serbian” and “Croatian” without blinking, so what do I know….

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Aug 31, 2016 • 4:21:47am

re: #338 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

My grandmother was an acerbic Croatian.

What other kind of Croatian is there?///

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dangerman  Aug 31, 2016 • 4:25:33am

re: #342 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Of course, I let people call Hindi and Urdu different languages on the exact same basis as “Serbian” and “Croatian” without blinking, so what do I know….

none of these are interchangeable in crossword puzzles ;-)

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 31, 2016 • 4:27:25am

re: #343 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

What other kind of Croatian is there?///

There are also those who insist on strict ethnic segregation of fitness facilities:
the Gym Croatians

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Aug 31, 2016 • 4:31:30am
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Timothy Watson  Aug 31, 2016 • 4:37:07am

re: #346 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Aug 31, 2016 • 4:40:21am

re: #347 Timothy Watson

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Seriously, though, this is a private meeting. I suspect we’re going to get two totally different, completely incompatible stories about what happens, intended by each side for domestic consumption.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 31, 2016 • 4:41:10am

re: #348 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Seriously, though, this is a private meeting. I suspect we’re going to get two totally different, completely incompatible stories about what happens, intended by each side for domestic consumption.

Schroedingers Taco Bowl

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Emptor scriptor Remorse  Aug 31, 2016 • 4:42:00am

re: #330 Nyet

News of Hawaii and the impending hurricane.

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Anymouse  Aug 31, 2016 • 4:44:12am

re: #272 Nyet

How to win friends and influence people:

Will Black Lives Matters drive a wedge between Jews and African-Americans?

As I wrote earlier, BLM’s shot in own foot.

Sounds a bit like the rhetoric from the Nation of Islam under Louis Ferrakhan, which doesn’t share much with Islam other than the name.

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Anymouse  Aug 31, 2016 • 4:46:13am

re: #350 Emptor scriptor Remorse

News of Hawaii and the impending hurricane.

A hurricane warning is up for the Island of Hawaii, and tropical storm warnings are up for the other islands.

prh.noaa.gov

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Anymouse  Aug 31, 2016 • 4:49:56am

Tropical storm warnings and hurricane watches are up for the northwest and west-central coast of Florida, due to Tropical Depression Nine in the Gulf of Mexico.
nhc.noaa.gov

Tropical Depression Eight (off North Carolina) is expected to become a tropical storm in a few hours, but is moving away from the coastline.
nhc.noaa.gov

Hurricane Gaston (Cat II) in the central Atlantic is expected to re-intensify to category III in the next few hours. The storm is expected to come very close to the Azores, though the National Hurricane Center has not yet posted hurricane watches or warnings.
nhc.noaa.gov

Looks like tropical season is getting started.

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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 31, 2016 • 5:09:09am
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Nyet  Aug 31, 2016 • 5:10:45am

re: #351 Anymouse

I wouldn’t go so far as to directly compare this to Farrakhan’s rants, but accusing Israel of genocide is a sure sign of nuttiness and extremism (and maybe more). That some radicals would join was inevitable, but that they would play the first fiddle…

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Nyet  Aug 31, 2016 • 5:11:29am

re: #350 Emptor scriptor Remorse

News of Hawaii and the impending hurricane.

… are the reason for why cyclones have different names in different places?

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Anymouse  Aug 31, 2016 • 5:11:55am

re: #354 The Vicious Babushka

Apparently he would be safer in Mexico?

Or more likely, he is afraid either
a) the parishioners of the church won’t show up, or
b) they will show up and humiliate him

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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 31, 2016 • 5:12:37am

This was in Trump’s telepromptered speech that someone else wrote for him==>

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Aug 31, 2016 • 5:17:51am

re: #356 Nyet

… are the reason for why cyclones have different names in different places?

Europeans first encountered them in different places and borrowed local words. Huracán entered Spanish from Arawak (probably) referring to Caribbean cyclones. “T’ai Fun” (Big Wind) is from Chinese, referring to Pacific cyclones.

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Nyet  Aug 31, 2016 • 5:18:49am

re: #359 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Clear, but why not use the same words today?

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 31, 2016 • 5:19:21am

re: #360 Nyet

Clear, but why not use the same words today?

Because language and logic are two different things entirely.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 31, 2016 • 5:20:44am

re: #358 The Vicious Babushka

Tonight, Trump called Democrats the party of Jim Crow:

Proof again that he is not speaking to blacks; he is addressing white bigots, who are the only people who buy that view of history and politics in the USA.

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Nyet  Aug 31, 2016 • 5:22:44am

re: #361 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Because language and logic are two different things entirely.

What does this have to do with logic?

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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 31, 2016 • 5:22:50am
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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Aug 31, 2016 • 5:23:21am

re: #360 Nyet

Clear, but why not use the same words today?

Seems like they’re converging on “hurricane”. It used to be hurricane in the Atlantic and typhoon in the Pacific. Now it seems like if it’s on the American side of the Pacific, they call it a hurricane and typhoon is restricted to the Asian side.

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Nyet  Aug 31, 2016 • 5:24:23am

re: #365 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

OK, that’s progress.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 31, 2016 • 5:27:34am

re: #363 Nyet

What does this have to do with logic?

My English students in Germany go nuts over the way that English has several words for the same thing: a Punkt in German can be a period, dot or point depending on how it is used, while we have other words that have several unrelated meanings, like “fine”.

German, for all its clunkiness and grammar rules and endings, is a highly logical language without a lot of overlapping or multiple meanings compared to English.

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Nyet  Aug 31, 2016 • 5:37:30am

re: #367 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

My English students in Germany go nuts over the way that English has several words for the same thing: a Punkt in German can be a period, dot or point depending on how it is used, while we have other words that have several unrelated meanings, like “fine”.

German, for all its clunkiness and grammar rules and endings, is a highly logical language without a lot of overlapping or multiple meanings compared to English.

I strongly disagree about German, it’s as much of a mess as English or Russian.

That’s not the Punkt though. It’s not about why language as such originally has different words for what more logically could be named with one term. Rather it’s why there hasn’t been more unification considering the scientific aspect of it: for science it shouldn’t matter where the cyclone takes place, all of those things can be named with one word. And science usually uses its own language. Yet science seems to pay respect to tradition in this case. Albeit above it has been indicated that this may be changing.

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Emptor scriptor Remorse  Aug 31, 2016 • 5:43:48am

Please pay attention in work zones, my life, the many dedicated construction personnel lives, and the traveling public depends on you.

news10.com

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 31, 2016 • 5:43:58am

re: #368 Nyet

That’s not the Punkt though. It’s not about why language as such originally has different words for what more logically could be named with one term. Rather it’s why there hasn’t been more unification considering the scientific aspect of it: for science it shouldn’t matter where the cyclone takes place, all of those things can be named with one word. And science usually uses its own language. Yet science seems to pay respect to tradition in this case. Albeit above it has been indicated that this may be changing.

There is the famous case of creationists stating that “Evolution is just a theory!”, which shows that they do not understand the scientific definition of “theory”, namely a hypothesis that has been subjected to experimental investigation and confirmed by observed and repeatable facts.

I have a personal theory that they are pretty ignorant of scientific method…

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Aug 31, 2016 • 5:47:03am

re: #367 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

My English students in Germany go nuts over the way that English has several words for the same thing: a Punkt in German can be a period, dot or point depending on how it is used, while we have other words that have several unrelated meanings, like “fine”.

German, for all its clunkiness and grammar rules and endings, is a highly logical language without a lot of overlapping or multiple meanings compared to English.

Most languages don’t borrow a new word for every little nuance of meaning, the way English does. as Mark Twain said:

…ours is a mongrel language which started with a child’s vocabulary of three hundred words, and now consists of two hundred and twenty-five thousand; the whole lot, with the exception of the original and legitimate three hundred, borrowed, stolen, smouched from every unwatched language under the sun, the spelling of each individual word of the lot locating the source of the theft and preserving the memory of the revered crime.

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Nyet  Aug 31, 2016 • 5:53:00am

re: #367 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

My English students in Germany go nuts over the way that English has several words for the same thing: a Punkt in German can be a period, dot or point depending on how it is used, while we have other words that have several unrelated meanings, like “fine”.

While English has one additional meaning of “fine”, German has feine Partikel and feiner Wein and a couple more. Plus things like der Leiter and die Leiter. So what you wrote stimmt simply nicht. ;)

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 31, 2016 • 5:54:16am

re: #371 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Most languages don’t borrow a new word for every little nuance of meaning, the way English does. as Mark Twain said:

ours is a mongrel language which started with a child’s vocabulary of three hundred words, and now consists of two hundred and twenty-five thousand; the whole lot, with the exception of the original and legitimate three hundred, borrowed, stolen, smouched from every unwatched language under the sun, the spelling of each individual word of the lot locating the source of the theft and preserving the memory of the revered crime.

Yes, I read a description of how English does not so much borrow words from other languages as it chases them down a dark alley, beats them up and rifles their pockets

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Barefoot Grin  Aug 31, 2016 • 5:58:21am

re: #371 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Most languages don’t borrow a new word for every little nuance of meaning, the way English does. as Mark Twain said:

This summer I received a little booklet of transcribed letters between my great-great grandmother and her husband who was away at Chickamauga (it also had photocopies of the originals) during the Civil War (he was injured there, but survived). The spelling was pretty good, but I was amused to see that they variously spelled “rebel” as “reble,” “rebell,” and “rebbel,” only rarely using the current spelling.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Aug 31, 2016 • 6:01:59am

re: #373 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

ours is a mongrel language which started with a child’s vocabulary of three hundred words, and now consists of two hundred and twenty-five thousand; the whole lot, with the exception of the original and legitimate three hundred, borrowed, stolen, smouched from every unwatched language under the sun, the spelling of each individual word of the lot locating the source of the theft and preserving the memory of the revered crime.

Yes, I read a description of how English does not so much borrow words from other languages as it chases them down a dark alley, beats them up and rifles their pockets

Yeah, that was the quote I was looking for, but I couldn’t find it. Mencken, maybe?

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Nyet  Aug 31, 2016 • 6:04:19am

re: #373 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Yes, I read a description of how English does not so much borrow words from other languages as it chases them down a dark alley, beats them up and rifles their pockets

Same with German, Russian.

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Jenner7  Aug 31, 2016 • 6:06:02am

Hillary is super unpopular and “journalists” took to twitter to whine about how her supporters are whiny.

“If she’d only have a press conference so I can ask her how unpopular she is…”

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Aug 31, 2016 • 6:06:28am

re: #373 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

ours is a mongrel language which started with a child’s vocabulary of three hundred words, and now consists of two hundred and twenty-five thousand; the whole lot, with the exception of the original and legitimate three hundred, borrowed, stolen, smouched from every unwatched language under the sun, the spelling of each individual word of the lot locating the source of the theft and preserving the memory of the revered crime.

Yes, I read a description of how English does not so much borrow words from other languages as it chases them down a dark alley, beats them up and rifles their pockets

English has changed so much in the last 1,000 years, that few of us today could understand Anglo-Saxon. Its “mongrelization” started in a small way with the Viking occupation, but really got into swing with the Norman Conquest. It accelerated with the Age of Exploration and colonialism.

Meanwhile, Chinese has changed so little in that same time span that most educated Chinese can read poems from 1,000 years ago.

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Nyet  Aug 31, 2016 • 6:07:55am

re: #378 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Meanwhile, Chinese has changed so little in that same time span that most educated Chinese can read poems from 1,000 years ago.

Where do they learn the pre-reform symbols?

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Jenner7  Aug 31, 2016 • 6:08:52am

And he got his phone today….

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Barefoot Grin  Aug 31, 2016 • 6:11:52am

re: #376 Nyet

Same with German, Russian.

A few years ago an internal government directive in Japan told bureaucrats to stop using so many “gairaigo” (foreign imports). The directive itself was chock-full of such borrowed “katakana” words.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Aug 31, 2016 • 6:13:10am

re: #379 Nyet

Where do they learn the pre-reform symbols?

If they are Chinese lit majors, they learn in college (on the mainland). The traditional characters are still standard in Hong Kong, Taiwan and other Chinese-speaking areas in Asia. However, the simplified characters developed by the CCP in the 1950s are becoming more widespread, especially in the West.

For those Chinese who are not lit majors, the traditional characters can still be recognized with some effort, from the context, as not all of the traditional characters were simplified.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Aug 31, 2016 • 6:14:12am

re: #378 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

English has changed so much in the last 1,000 years, that few of us today could understand Anglo-Saxon. Its “mongrelization” started in a small way with the Viking occupation, but really got into swing with the Norman Conquest. It accelerated with the Age of Exploration and colonialism.

Meanwhile, Chinese has changed so little in that same time span that most educated Chinese can read poems from 1,000 years ago.

English would look very strange with only native words. I’m sure everyone here is familiar with Poul Anderson’s Uncleftish Beholding.

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Targetpractice  Aug 31, 2016 • 6:18:00am

re: #377 Jenner7

Hillary is super unpopular and “journalists” took to twitter to whine about how her supporters are whiny.

“If she’d only have a press conference so I can ask her how unpopular she is…”

They so badly want a press conference with her because they still want to believe they’re relevant. They think of the days past, when they were the ones who controlled a politician’s access to the public and weren’t being bypassed by emails or tweets. You know, back in the 90s when they totally controlled the narrative and so kept people focused on their nothingburger “scandals.”

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Jenner7  Aug 31, 2016 • 6:18:45am

We’re going to see this ALL fucking day.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Aug 31, 2016 • 6:19:34am

re: #384 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

English would look very strange with only native words. I’m sure everyone here is familiar with Poul Anderson’s Uncleftish Beholding.

I have a paragraph socked away on some hard drive that says if we took out every word in the paragraph that did not derive from Latin, the only word left would be “the.”

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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 31, 2016 • 6:22:00am

I just can’t even

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 31, 2016 • 6:22:12am

re: #386 Jenner7

Clinton’s favorability among women drops to 45-52% in new ABC/WaPo poll, first time in a year most women have viewed her unfavorably.

We’re going to see this ALL fucking day.

Because they need a horse race to keep up our interest.

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lizardofid  Aug 31, 2016 • 6:22:25am

re: #378 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

English has changed so much in the last 1,000 years, that few of us today could understand Anglo-Saxon. Its “mongrelization” started in a small way with the Viking occupation, but really got into swing with the Norman Conquest. It accelerated with the Age of Exploration and colonialism.

Meanwhile, Chinese has changed so little in that same time span that most educated Chinese can read poems from 1,000 years ago.

English is not always the same,where ever you go? I had no idea.

The Black Country Dialect (Part One)

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Targetpractice  Aug 31, 2016 • 6:23:23am

So the prediction was right, they’re going to trumpet every fractional move in the poll numbers to maintain the “horse race” narrative. “Trump’s moved up a tenth of a point! He’s surging back into contention!”

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Belafon  Aug 31, 2016 • 6:27:06am

Regarding hurricane vs typhoon vs cyclone: Why do we insist on calling countries by names different than the ones used in the country itself? And I’m not talking about language translations like what the United States of America is called in Spanish. Why don’t we call Germany Deutschland?

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 31, 2016 • 6:27:20am

re: #372 Nyet

While English has one additional meaning of “fine”, German has feine Partikeln and feiner Wein and a couple more. Plus things like der Leiter and die Leiter. So what you wrote stimmt simply nicht. ;)

It has to do with the way Germans approach and learn things: they like a logical, comprehensive approach in which one learns a body of theory and then applies it in practice.

But that falls on its face when teaching language, especially a foreign language that is highly irregular and rich in idiom.

I know, because I make my living teaching English to people who all had at least five years of it in school but still cannot use it at all.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 31, 2016 • 6:28:36am

re: #392 Belafon

Regarding hurricane vs typhoon vs cyclone: Why do we insist on calling countries by names different than the ones used in the country itself? And I’m not talking about language translations like what the United States of America is called in Spanish. Why don’t we call Germany Deutschland?

And why Carthage and not Carthago?

And why America and not Vespucciland?

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Nyet  Aug 31, 2016 • 6:29:23am

re: #392 Belafon

Regarding hurricane vs typhoon vs cyclone: Why do we insist on calling countries by names different than the ones used in the country itself? And I’m not talking about language translations like what the United States of America is called in Spanish. Why don’t we call Germany Deutschland?

Are you sure it’s “regarding hurricane vs typhoon vs cyclone”? I, for one, don’t see the connection…

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Jenner7  Aug 31, 2016 • 6:29:55am

If I only read just the headlines, I’d think Hillary was responsible for Benghazi and covered it up by having her own email server.

We’re a lazy country with lazy journalism.

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lizardofid  Aug 31, 2016 • 6:30:50am

re: #394 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

And why Carthage and not Carthago?

And why America and not Vespucciland?

“Vespucciland, F… Yeah”

hmmmmmmm, maybe.

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Sir John Barron  Aug 31, 2016 • 6:30:53am

re: #358 The Vicious Babushka

This was in Trump’s telepromptered speech that someone else wrote for him==>

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I hope Trump mentions that Frederick Douglass was a GOP.

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Sir John Barron  Aug 31, 2016 • 6:31:50am

re: #396 Jenner7

If I only read just the headlines, I’d think Hillary was responsible for Benghazi and covered it up by having her own email server.

We’re a lazy country with lazy journalism.

Also that Hillary’s State Department and the Clinton Foundation were in league together doing things.

//

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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 31, 2016 • 6:32:02am

re: #398 Sir John Barron

I hope Trump mentions that Frederick Douglass was a GOP.

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So was Booker T. Washington.

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Nyet  Aug 31, 2016 • 6:32:15am

re: #393 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

It has to do with the way Germans approach and learn things: they like a logical, comprehensive approach in which one learns a body of theory and then applies it in practice.

But that falls on its face when teaching language, especially a foreign language that is highly irregular and rich in idiom.

I know, because I make my living teaching English to people who all had at least five years of it in school but still cannot use it at all.

If they had to learn German (not as children) they would get exactly the same problems. A plethora of meanings expressed with one word, idioms etc.

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Nyet  Aug 31, 2016 • 6:32:58am

re: #397 lizardofid

Vespuccia.

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makeitstop  Aug 31, 2016 • 6:34:24am

re: #402 Nyet

Vespuccia.

Sounds like an appetizer.

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lizardofid  Aug 31, 2016 • 6:35:27am

re: #402 Nyet

Vespuccia.

“Vespuccia, F… Yeah”

Ok, yeah, that is better, thanks!

; )

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Belafon  Aug 31, 2016 • 6:35:32am

re: #395 Nyet

Are you sure it’s “regarding hurricane vs typhoon vs cyclone”? I, for one, don’t see the connection…

Because it’s a choice of language and identification. The choice between the three terms is mainly a regional thing. It’s a lot like soda vs cola vs coke here in the US. I’m just curious why this particular thing in our language has happened as well.

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Nyet  Aug 31, 2016 • 6:37:03am

re: #404 lizardofid

“Vespuccia, F… Yeah”

Ok, yeah, that is better, thanks!

; )

Doesn’t sound that good for the Russian ear :)

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Aug 31, 2016 • 6:38:30am

re: #393 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

It has to do with the way Germans approach and learn things: they like a logical, comprehensive approach in which one learns a body of theory and then applies it in practice.

But that falls on its face when teaching language, especially a foreign language that is highly irregular and rich in idiom.

I know, because I make my living teaching English to people who all had at least five years of it in school but still cannot use it at all.

Ditto, but in my case its people who have had English instruction since grade 3, but still have trouble writing a coherent paragraph or speaking conversational English. The Chinese method of instruction (grammar/translation) treats English as a logical construction of grammar and syntactic rules, and encourages students to believe word-by-word translation from Chinese to English is possible. The result is the Chinglish we so often mock on road signs and instruction booklets.

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Sir John Barron  Aug 31, 2016 • 6:41:29am

On the continuing voter prevention in NC, today’s NYT has this:

He was referring to a proposal by the board’s two Republicans to allow 106.5 hours of early voting before the Nov. 8 election — less than a quarter of the time allowed in the 2012 presidential election — and to limit early balloting to a single polling place in the county seat of a largely rural eastern North Carolina county that sprawls over 403 square miles.

In a county where Democrats outnumber Republicans by better than two to one, and four in 10 voters are black, the election plan limits voting to a single weekend day, and on weekdays demands that residents, including those who are poor and do not own cars, make long trips to cast a ballot.

Republicans, who wrote and passed the 2013 law and control all 100 county election boards, deny the rules reflect anything inappropriate.

Are there any NC Lizards among us who can help explain this—Republicans control all 100 county election boards? Does the State appoint each county’s election boards? I would expect they’d be elected separately by each county. And to read that counties where Dems outnumber GOP 2-1, the GOP still controls its election board is kind of mind-boggling.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Aug 31, 2016 • 6:44:26am

re: #401 Nyet

If they had to learn German (not as children) they would get exactly the same problems. A plethora of meanings expressed with one word, idioms etc.

The older the word, the more meanings it acquires over time.

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Timothy Watson  Aug 31, 2016 • 6:46:57am

re: #270 Nyet

Patton Oswalt with Nick Bougas AKA “A. Wyatt Mann”, the author of the dozens of “classic” neo-Nazi cartoons, including the “Happy Merchant” meme.

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Has anyone asked Oswalt about this? I thought him was pretty liberal from the stuff I’ve seen posted on Twitter.

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Nyet  Aug 31, 2016 • 6:47:55am

re: #405 Belafon

Because it’s a choice of language and identification. The choice between the three terms is mainly a regional thing. It’s a lot like soda vs cola vs coke here in the US.

You probably wouldn’t use in a neutral, say, statistical report “soda” for some areas and “coke” for others, as separate categories, meaning the same substance. You would use one, or another, or a third, more formal term.

Whereas typhoon, cyclone and hurricane will all be used in the same report, the only diff. being where the event happens. You being or not being from that region would play no role. So it’s exactly this non-regional use of “regionalized” terms that got me interested.

But I just remembered another thing that can serve as a true analogy: astronauts, cosmonauts and taikonauts. Same thing, traditionally different terms.

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Nyet  Aug 31, 2016 • 6:48:31am

re: #410 Timothy Watson

Somebody asked under that tweet.

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Timothy Watson  Aug 31, 2016 • 6:48:43am

re: #388 The Vicious Babushka

I just can’t even

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The question is whether the change was statistically significant, but most people in the media don’t know what that means.

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Dr Lizardo  Aug 31, 2016 • 6:48:44am

re: #378 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

English has changed so much in the last 1,000 years, that few of us today could understand Anglo-Saxon. Its “mongrelization” started in a small way with the Viking occupation, but really got into swing with the Norman Conquest. It accelerated with the Age of Exploration and colonialism.

Meanwhile, Chinese has changed so little in that same time span that most educated Chinese can read poems from 1,000 years ago.

Look at the original of Beowulf:

Hwæt! We Gardena in geardagum,
þeodcyninga, þrym gefrunon,
hu ða æþelingas ellen fremedon.
Oft Scyld Scefing sceaþena þreatum,

monegum mægþum, meodosetla ofteah,
egsode eorlas. Syððan ærest wearð
feasceaft funden, he þæs frofre gebad,
weox under wolcnum, weorðmyndum þah,
oðþæt him æghwylc þara ymbsittendra

ofer hronrade hyran scolde,
gomban gyldan. þæt wæs god cyning!
ðæm eafera wæs æfter cenned,
geong in geardum, þone god sende
folce to frofre; fyrenðearfe ongeat

Utterly unrecognizable to a modern English speaker. And that dates from 975 to 1025 CE.

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dangerman  Aug 31, 2016 • 6:48:49am

re: #377 Jenner7

Hillary is super unpopular and “journalists” took to twitter to whine about how her supporters are whiny.

“If she’d only have a press conference so I can ask her how unpopular she is…”

she does almost an interview a day and yet never “speaks to the press”

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Nyet  Aug 31, 2016 • 6:50:51am

re: #414 Dr Lizardo

independent.co.uk

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Sir John Barron  Aug 31, 2016 • 6:51:11am

re: #408 Sir John Barron

On the continuing voter prevention in NC, today’s NYT has this:

Are there any NC Lizards among us who can help explain this—Republicans control all 100 county election boards? Does the State appoint each county’s election boards? I would expect they’d be elected separately by each county. And to read that counties where Dems outnumber GOP 2-1 to read that the GOP still controls its election board is kind of mind-boggling.

In what was otherwise a good article, the journalist didn’t seem to think this matter something to be explained.

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Sir John Barron  Aug 31, 2016 • 6:51:40am

re: #415 dangerman

she does almost an interview a day and yet never “speaks to the press”

Those press interviews aren’t real press encounters.

/

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dangerman  Aug 31, 2016 • 6:52:40am

re: #391 Targetpractice

So the prediction was right, they’re going to trumpet every fractional move in the poll numbers to maintain the “horse race” narrative. “Trump’s moved up a tenth of a point! He’s surging back into contention!”

unless it changes the map (and even sometimes then), i ignore it all

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Belafon  Aug 31, 2016 • 6:55:24am

re: #411 Nyet

You probably wouldn’t use in a neutral, say, statistical report “soda” for some areas and “coke” for others, as separate categories, meaning the same substance. You would use one, or another, or a third, more formal term.

Whereas typhoon, cyclone and hurricane will all be used in the same report, the only diff. being where the event happens. You being or not being from that region would play no role. So it’s exactly this non-regional use of “regionalized” terms that got me interested.

But I just remembered another thing that can serve as a true analogy: astronauts, cosmonauts and taikonauts. Same thing, traditionally different terms.

Also, though, we were talking about language. I used it as an opening to insert my question. Seemed as good as anything else.

I would still like to find out why we don’t call it Deutschland? Where did Germany come from? Yes, I could probably look it up. But if we have an expert here, it’s so much easier.

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Decatur Deb  Aug 31, 2016 • 6:56:08am

re: #420 Belafon

Also, though, we were talking about language. I used it as an opening to insert my question. Seemed as good as anything else.

I would still like to find out why we don’t call it Deutschland? Where did Germany come from? Yes, I could probably look it up. But if we have an expert here, it’s so much easier.

Latin. A surprising number of groups/places are named by their enemies.

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makeitstop  Aug 31, 2016 • 6:56:50am

re: #418 Sir John Barron

Those press interviews aren’t real press encounters.

/

I had a former BernieBro tell me exactly that - that the press availabilities and gaggles ‘don’t count.’ Why not, he didn’t say.

My new stock answer is ‘The national media is irrelevant, and she’s getting her message out to local media more effectively.’

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Timothy Watson  Aug 31, 2016 • 6:57:23am

re: #420 Belafon

Also, though, we were talking about language. I used it as an opening to insert my question. Seemed as good as anything else.

I would still like to find out why we don’t call it Deutschland? Where did Germany come from? Yes, I could probably look it up. But if we have an expert here, it’s so much easier.

“Germania” in Latin and Greek.

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Belafon  Aug 31, 2016 • 6:57:49am

re: #420 Belafon

Also, when I was in college, we had an entire discussion over whether it’s cola, soda, or coke. In Texas, where I grew up, it was coke - “Would you like a coke?” “Sure.” “What kind?” “Dr Pepper.” - but I’ve change from that to soda, even though I’m still in Texas.

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Belafon  Aug 31, 2016 • 6:58:21am

re: #421 Decatur Deb

re: #423 Timothy Watson

Thanks.

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Decatur Deb  Aug 31, 2016 • 6:59:02am

re: #424 Belafon

Also, when I was in college, we had an entire discussion over whether it’s cola, soda, or coke. In Texas, where I grew up, it was coke - “Would you like a coke?” “Sure.” “What kind?” “Dr Pepper.” - but I’ve change from that to soda, even though I’m still in Texas.

It’s all “pop” in Pittsburgh.

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dangerman  Aug 31, 2016 • 6:59:26am

re: #414 Dr Lizardo

Look at the original of Beowulf:

Hwæt! We Gardena in geardagum,
þeodcyninga, þrym gefrunon,
hu ða æþelingas ellen fremedon.
Oft Scyld Scefing sceaþena þreatum,

monegum mægþum, meodosetla ofteah,
egsode eorlas. Syððan ærest wearð
feasceaft funden, he þæs frofre gebad,
weox under wolcnum, weorðmyndum þah,
oðþæt him æghwylc þara ymbsittendra

ofer hronrade hyran scolde,
gomban gyldan. þæt wæs god cyning!
ðæm eafera wæs æfter cenned,
geong in geardum, þone god sende
folce to frofre; fyrenðearfe ongeat

Utterly unrecognizable to a modern English speaker. And that dates from 975 to 1025 CE.

isnt that the beginning of Jabberwocky?

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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 31, 2016 • 6:59:37am

re: #418 Sir John Barron

Those press interviews aren’t real press encounters.

/

A “Real Press Conference” would consist of a passel of journalists asking the same Benghazi/email question over and over and over and over.

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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 31, 2016 • 7:00:21am

Automatic Blocking Function triggered==>

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Nyet  Aug 31, 2016 • 7:00:50am

re: #420 Belafon

Just a matter of where the word was borrowed from and when. Germania probably from Latin (remember Germanicus?). People were not big in those times on respecting the self-designations, they “knew better” how to call other lands and peoples, and we’re stuck with the traditions.

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dangerman  Aug 31, 2016 • 7:01:35am

re: #418 Sir John Barron

Those press interviews aren’t real press encounters.

/

right
way more chance to obfuscate, change the subject, pivot the question etc in a one-on-one
remember what they did to sanders by printing the exact transcript of the interview?
/s

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dangerman  Aug 31, 2016 • 7:03:16am

re: #422 makeitstop

I had a former BernieBro tell me exactly that - that the press availabilities and gaggles ‘don’t count.’ Why not, he didn’t say.

My new stock answer is ‘The national media is irrelevant, and she’s getting her message out to local media more effectively.’

ie the people she’s actually visiting that day - what a concept

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 31, 2016 • 7:03:32am

re: #401 Nyet

If they had to learn German (not as children) they would get exactly the same problems. A plethora of meanings expressed with one word, idioms etc.

Yes, but they get it within the context of a native language that they speak and live. Much different than learning a foreign language.

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dangerman  Aug 31, 2016 • 7:05:26am

re: #424 Belafon

Also, when I was in college, we had an entire discussion over whether it’s cola, soda, or coke. In Texas, where I grew up, it was coke - “Would you like a coke?” “Sure.” “What kind?” “Dr Pepper.” - but I’ve change from that to soda, even though I’m still in Texas.

i worked one summer in rural massachusetts and people from the boston area called it “tonic”

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 31, 2016 • 7:05:51am

re: #403 makeitstop

Vespuccia.

Sounds like an appetizer.

followed by a Vespuccino

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Decatur Deb  Aug 31, 2016 • 7:06:57am

re: #434 dangerman

i worked one summer in rural massachusetts and people from the boston area called it “tonic”

Visiting Ayers, I learned that an ice cream soda was a “frappe” (frap).

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 31, 2016 • 7:07:15am

re: #409 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

The older the word, the more meanings it acquires over time.

We still “dial” a phone number, although anybody born after 1990 has probably never stuck their finger in a phone dial and turned it to actually dial a number.

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dangerman  Aug 31, 2016 • 7:07:15am

re: #424 Belafon

Also, when I was in college, we had an entire discussion over whether it’s cola, soda, or coke. In Texas, where I grew up, it was coke - “Would you like a coke?” “Sure.” “What kind?” “Dr Pepper.” - but I’ve change from that to soda, even though I’m still in Texas.

coke, pepsi, etc have spent years and $ trying to be the “kleenex, xerox, jello” etc of soft drinks

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Nyet  Aug 31, 2016 • 7:07:18am

re: #433 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Yes, but they get it within the context of a native language that they speak and live. Much different than learning a foreign language.

I’m never sure about how to respond to such comments - with sarcasm, with pointing out that that’s what I said (or does not contradict what I said, or is already assumed in what I said) or simply ignoring them.

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dangerman  Aug 31, 2016 • 7:07:43am

re: #428 The Vicious Babushka

A “Real Press Conference” would consist of a passel of journalists asking the same Benghazi/email question over and over and over and over.

winner winner

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Belafon  Aug 31, 2016 • 7:07:55am

re: #426 Decatur Deb

It’s all “pop” in Pittsburgh.

I’d forgotten that one. That was in the discussion as well.

re: #434 dangerman

i worked one summer in rural massachusetts and people from the boston area called it “tonic”

That is interesting. My first attempt at college was in Worcester, but that one never came up.

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Skip Intro  Aug 31, 2016 • 7:08:26am

So today the SF Chronicle has an article (featuring a pic of Milo) seemingly attempting to mainstream the alt-right assholes.

Tomorrow, no doubt, they’ll be cheering Trump the Great’s tremendous diplomatic skills in Mexico and his well thought out speech on immigration, completely ignoring everything he’s said and done over the last 400 days.

I don’t know how much more of this bullshit I can stand.

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makeitstop  Aug 31, 2016 • 7:08:26am

re: #432 dangerman

ie the people she’s actually visiting that day - what a concept

And I submit that talking to local media is better than national, in that it gives the campaign more insight into what’s important on a local level.

But no, unless it’s a formal news conference where the ‘right’ questions are asked, it doesn’t count.
/

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Timothy Watson  Aug 31, 2016 • 7:09:34am

re: #438 dangerman

coke, pepsi, etc have spent years and $ trying to be the “kleenex, xerox, jello” etc of soft drinks

The bad thing is that it makes trademark enforcement harder if the term becomes a generic trademark.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 31, 2016 • 7:12:13am

re: #439 Nyet

I’m never sure about how to respond to such comments - with sarcasm, with pointing out that that’s what I said (or does not contradict what I said, or is already assumed in what I said) or simply ignoring them.

Try the latter

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dangerman  Aug 31, 2016 • 7:12:53am

re: #443 makeitstop

And I submit that talking to local media is better than national, in that it gives the campaign more insight into what’s important on a local level.

But no, unless it’s a formal news conference where the ‘right’ questions are asked, it doesn’t count.
/

the next time the clinton campaign hears that “she hasnt done a news conference in x days” they should just print and publish the list of the actual hundreds of encounters / interviews for those exact number of days.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 31, 2016 • 7:14:55am

re: #446 dangerman

the next time the clinton campaign hears that “she hasnt done a news conference in x days” they should just print and publish the list of the actual hundreds of encounters / interviews for those exact number of days.

Remember when networks decided they would rather show an empty podium waiting for Trump to step up to it than broadcast a major speech that HRC is making to a disabled group?

We get the impression that the only time HRC approaches the media is to make ad hominem attacks against Trump.

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Bubblehead II  Aug 31, 2016 • 7:15:07am

re: #437 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

We still “dial” a phone number, although anybody born after 1990 has probably never stuck their finger in a phone dial and turned it to actually dial a number.

Or have ever seen a phone with the tone/pulse switch because the local exchange didn’t support DTMF.

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Nyet  Aug 31, 2016 • 7:15:10am

re: #442 Skip Intro

So today the SF Chronicle has an article (featuring a pic of Milo) seemingly attempting to mainstream the alt-right assholes.

Tomorrow, no doubt, they’ll be cheering Trump the Great’s tremendous diplomatic skills in Mexico and his well though out speech on immigration, completely ignoring everything he’s said and done over the last 400 days.

I don’t know how much more of the bullshit I can stand.

I didn’t like the premise of the article, but I’ll cut them some slack for not mincing words about what happened:

Twitter made headlines when controversial conservative blogger Milo Yiannopoulos was banned after leading racist attacks against actress and comedian Leslie Jones.

Note that they don’t hide behind “he said/she said” but directly and correctly characterize his actions.

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dangerman  Aug 31, 2016 • 7:15:39am

re: #444 Timothy Watson

The bad thing is that it makes trademark enforcement harder if the term becomes a generic trademark.

while true, in some areas, if you do it right you can become a defacto standard:

“pdf”

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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 31, 2016 • 7:18:02am

re: #437 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

We still “dial” a phone number, although anybody born after 1990 has probably never stuck their finger in a phone dial and turned it to actually dial a number.

Or use the expression “broken record” even though most people do not have the experience of listening to a scratched platter.

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dangerman  Aug 31, 2016 • 7:18:02am

re: #447 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Remember when networks decided they would rather show an empty podium waiting for Trump to step up to it than broadcast a major speech that HRC is making to a disabled group?

We get the impression that the only time HRC approaches the media is to make ad hominem attacks against Trump.

yeah i know
and going tit-for-tat is probably not the best strategy, which is why i[‘m not on the campaign staff.

though in this case it would be powerful to point to the list and say which of these news outlets, reporters, interviewers, dont count?

oh, you mean its not a press conference unless i talk to “you”?

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dangerman  Aug 31, 2016 • 7:19:36am

re: #448 Bubblehead II

Or have ever seen a phone with the tone/pulse switch because the local exchange didn’t support DTMF.

“Oh is that you Myrt?”

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dangerman  Aug 31, 2016 • 7:21:53am

re: #451 The Vicious Babushka

Or use the expression “broken record” even though most people do not have the experience of listening to a scratched platter.

i made recordings of lp’s, with pops, scratches, skips etc, onto cassettes, that eventually were transferred and converted to mp3. still with pops, scratches and skips intact.

wonder what they should be called

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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 31, 2016 • 7:22:32am

re: #454 dangerman

i made recordings of lp’s, with pops, scratches, skips etc, onto cassettes, that eventually were transferred and converted to mp3. still with pops, scratches and skips intact.

wonder what they should be called

Instead of “broken record” may I suggest “Trump speech”

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Aug 31, 2016 • 7:23:28am

re: #430 Nyet

Just a matter of where the word was borrowed from and when. Germania probably from Latin (remember Germanicus?). People were not big in those times on respecting the self-designations, they “knew better” how to call other lands and peoples, and we’re stuck with the traditions.

Here’s a map from Wikimedia Commons of the Roman Empire in the 2nd Century. Some of the Greco-Latin regional names have stuck, while others have been dropped — at least in English.

Note also that some names followed the migrations of the people referred to: the Burgundians moved to what is now France. The Saxons invaded Britannia and left the place names Wessex and Sussex (West Saxons and Southern Saxons).

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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 31, 2016 • 7:24:46am

JMO but I do not think pops, scratches, hisses and other artifacts of vinyl playback enhance the listening experience. I own digital remasterings of many symphony orchestras and vastly prefer the cleaned-up versions.

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Jenner7  Aug 31, 2016 • 7:26:19am

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Aug 31, 2016 • 7:26:48am

re: #454 dangerman

i made recordings of lp’s, with pops, scratches, skips etc, onto cassettes, that eventually were transferred and converted to mp3. still with pops, scratches and skips intact.

wonder what they should be called

Phase Linear’s Autocorrelator was pretty good at filtering them out.

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BlueSpotinAL  Aug 31, 2016 • 7:27:19am

re: #454 dangerman

i made recordings of lp’s, with pops, scratches, skips etc, onto cassettes, that eventually were transferred and converted to mp3. still with pops, scratches and skips intact.

wonder what they should be called

Mixtapes.

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Bubblehead II  Aug 31, 2016 • 7:28:24am

re: #453 dangerman

“Oh is that you Myrt?”

Way before my time.

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Alyosha  Aug 31, 2016 • 7:29:39am

I wonder at the precision of our words and that we are so caught up in some deliberate focus upon the evils of the world that our own earnest desire for immediate justice prevents us from describing it properly. That in our rush to attack it, we have somehow broken the object into a million invincible shards.

Even now, in attempting to attack the problem - in my own mind - my quarry has evaporated, my argument has failed; I have been thwarted by my inability to conquer my own tongue.

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dangerman  Aug 31, 2016 • 7:33:37am

re: #457 The Vicious Babushka

JMO but I do not think pops, scratches, hisses and other artifacts of vinyl playback enhance the listening experience. I own digital remasterings of many symphony orchestras and vastly prefer the cleaned-up versions.

i agree and also have remastered copies of many of my important favorites - ie probably more than 6 different recordings/masterings/formats of “Allman Brothers At Fillmore East”

some of it is nostalgia
some is that when i heard things originally, those sounds were a seamless part of the thing- whether a spoken comedy album or music or whatever. especially skips - the elided words didnt exist and werent missed until years later when i found out what wasnt there.

clarified some things, and in others, took away the mystery

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lawhawk  Aug 31, 2016 • 7:34:43am

Welcome to the Donald Trump world. Where whatever he says and does doesn’t matter, and his supporters love him no matter what. Spew nonsensical ravings? Love him. Flip flop? Love him.

For instance, from 2014:

Mexico is the enemy? Really? Really puts his longstanding claims against Mexicans into stark relief doesn’t it.

It should. Because you don’t use terms like enemies when you’re talking about allies, trading partners, and friends. You could use rival, if you’re peaceful but at odds over various issues - words have meanings. But Trump doesn’t care about meanings - only that he uses the best words.

That’s dangerous as a president, because he’d just as soon as call Germany or France or Israel an enemy because reasons. He’s already said he’d trash our longstanding alliances and relationships (NATO), and everyone else is all like WTF Donny?

Trump is dangerous - to the point that many GOP foreign policy folks are openly opposed to Trump (but not on his bigoted, racist, white supremacist ties, only that he’s more likely to start a world war than be a responsible steward for the nation over the next four years).

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Aug 31, 2016 • 7:34:58am

re: #322 Nyet

I did go to one Occupy Protest, and I thought they had some fair economic points.

On the other hand, their foreign policy was dildos.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 31, 2016 • 7:35:34am

re: #464 lawhawk

Welcome to the Donald Trump world. Where whatever he says and does doesn’t matter, and his supporters love him no matter what. Spew nonsensical ravings? Love him. Flip flop? Love him.

For instance, from 2014:

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Mexico is the enemy? Really? Really puts his longstanding claims against Mexicans into stark relief doesn’t it.

It should. Because you don’t use terms like enemies when you’re talking about allies, trading partners, and friends. You could use rival, if you’re peaceful but at odds over various issues - words have meanings. But Trump doesn’t care about meanings - only that he uses the best words.

That’s dangerous as a president, because he’d just as soon as call Germany or France or Israel an enemy because reasons. He’s already said he’d trash our longstanding alliances and relationships (NATO), and everyone else is all like WTF Donny?

Trump is dangerous - to the point that many GOP foreign policy folks are openly opposed to Trump (but not on his bigoted, racist, white supremacist ties, only that he’s more likely to start a world war than be a responsible steward for the nation over the next four years).

Remember: his message has not changed, he just uses different words.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Aug 31, 2016 • 7:36:04am

re: #350 Emptor scriptor Remorse

First one is 24 years.

Last time this happened, every branch of the NHC was hit in the same year.

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lizardofid  Aug 31, 2016 • 7:36:36am

re: #424 Belafon

Also, when I was in college, we had an entire discussion over whether it’s cola, soda, or coke. In Texas, where I grew up, it was coke - “Would you like a coke?” “Sure.” “What kind?” “Dr Pepper.” - but I’ve change from that to soda, even though I’m still in Texas.

A little confession here. I suppose it’s a combination of my age, location, and family, but I can distinctly remember asking my “Grand Daddy” if we could stop off at the gas station for a “Sodi Water”.

; )

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Aug 31, 2016 • 7:36:46am

Change of subject: this guy flogged his Tesla Model S for 100,000 miles and summarized how much it cost him, and how he made money off the car. I’m impressed.

medium.com

He’s a bit too enthusiastic about driving for Uber to suit me, but hey, maybe he likes being an independent contractor with no benefits.

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dangerman  Aug 31, 2016 • 7:37:53am

re: #459 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Phase Linear’s Autocorrelator was pretty good at filtering them out.

in the beginning i was recording onto one of these:

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 31, 2016 • 7:37:57am

re: #468 lizardofid

A little confession here. I suppose it’s a combination of my age, location, and family, but I can distinctly remember asking my “Grand Daddy” if we could stop off at the gas station for a “Sodi Water”.

; )

And in Glaswegian, you ask for a “ginger” when requesting a carbonated beverage.

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dangerman  Aug 31, 2016 • 7:38:54am

re: #461 Bubblehead II

Way before my time.

mine too
old radio recordings my parents got for us (on lp)

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dangerman  Aug 31, 2016 • 7:40:21am

re: #462 Alyosha

I wonder at the precision of our words and that we are so caught up in some deliberate focus upon the evils of the world that our own earnest desire for immediate justice prevents us from describing it properly. That in our rush to attack it, we have somehow broken the object into a million invincible shards.

Even now, in attempting to attack the problem - in my own mind - my quarry has evaporated, my argument has failed; I have been thwarted by my inability to conquer my own tongue.

if only my mouth could say or hand could write what is so clear in my mind

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Decatur Deb  Aug 31, 2016 • 7:40:28am

re: #468 lizardofid

A little confession here. I suppose it’s a combination of my age, location, and family, but I can distinctly remember asking my “Grand Daddy” if we could stop off at the gas station for a “Sodi Water”.

; )

Pittsburghese “pop” co-exists with “soda”. If you start south into hill country, they combine for “soda pop”.

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Decatur Deb  Aug 31, 2016 • 7:41:51am

re: #470 dangerman

in the beginning i was recording onto one of these:

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That was very much the first mass storage device for our Apple II knockoff.

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dangerman  Aug 31, 2016 • 7:43:37am

re: #475 Decatur Deb

That was very much the first mass storage device for our Apple II knockoff.

yes!
mine was a trs-80. radio shack
dubbed the trash-80

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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 31, 2016 • 7:45:36am

Baby Whiplash and Hugh Hewitt are having a slapfight on Twitter right now. Full of LOLZ as Hugh refuses to acknowledge that alt-rights have attacked other conservatives (like Li’l Whipsies)

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 31, 2016 • 7:46:12am

re: #462 Alyosha

I wonder at the precision of our words and that we are so caught up in some deliberate focus upon the evils of the world that our own earnest desire for immediate justice prevents us from describing it properly. That in our rush to attack it, we have somehow broken the object into a million invincible shards.

Even now, in attempting to attack the problem - in my own mind - my quarry has evaporated, my argument has failed; I have been thwarted by my inability to conquer my own tongue.

you have just summed up Stephane Mallarme’s approach to language and poetry. We have to kill a thing to describe it…

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Decatur Deb  Aug 31, 2016 • 7:46:51am

re: #476 dangerman

yes!
mine was a trs-80. radio shack
dubbed the trash-80

Korean ‘Apple II’ —$500.
Rana 148K? single-sided 5.25” disc drive —$400.

All in 1980 dollars.

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Belafon  Aug 31, 2016 • 7:47:31am

re: #476 dangerman

yes!
mine was a trs-80. radio shack
dubbed the trash-80

If it were more tan, it would be the Vic20 storage, which we got for free by buying a video game, Omega Race.

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Timothy Watson  Aug 31, 2016 • 7:47:42am

re: #477 The Vicious Babushka

Baby Whiplash and Hugh Hewitt are having a slapfight on Twitter right now. Full of LOLZ as Hugh refuses to acknowledge that alt-rights have attacked other conservatives (like Li’l Whipsies)

Is the precious Baby Whiplash upset someone attacked him?

To paraphrase what I said about Andrea Tantaros, have you been reading yourself for the past 10+ years Whiplash?

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danarchy  Aug 31, 2016 • 7:48:37am

re: #424 Belafon

Also, when I was in college, we had an entire discussion over whether it’s cola, soda, or coke. In Texas, where I grew up, it was coke - “Would you like a coke?” “Sure.” “What kind?” “Dr Pepper.” - but I’ve change from that to soda, even though I’m still in Texas.

It’s always been soda for me, but pop is acceptable. coke is just dumb, when I first heard there were places where all soda was called coke it made me think of the movie Demolition Man where all restaurants are taco bell.

If you want an actual coke, do you have to order a Coke coke?

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Timothy Watson  Aug 31, 2016 • 7:49:17am

Speaking of Tantaros, don’t media outlets usually not report on lawsuits they’re involved in? I almost feel sorry for Fox’s lawyers.

Fox legal filing says harassment suit by Andrea Tantaros is ‘filled with falsehoods’

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Aug 31, 2016 • 7:49:35am

re: #470 dangerman

in the beginning i was recording onto one of these:

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I had one of those, and an old record player with no outputs. I’d have its speaker pointing under the bed and the tape recorder on the other side, using the under-box-spring space to mellow out the sound a little bit. Worked surprisingly well.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Aug 31, 2016 • 7:50:35am

re: #482 danarchy

It’s always been soda for me, but pop is acceptable. coke is just dumb, when I first heard there were places where all soda was called coke it made me think of the movie Demolition Man where all restaurants are taco bell.

If you want an actual coke, do you have to order a Coke coke?

Co-cola

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lizardofid  Aug 31, 2016 • 7:53:04am

re: #474 Decatur Deb

Pittsburghese “pop” co-exists with “soda”. If you start south into hill country, they combine for “soda pop”.

For me it was “Sodee Water” for the most part, or the very generic sounding “cold drink”.

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Decatur Deb  Aug 31, 2016 • 7:56:36am

In 1950s Pgh, the southern migration was Black migration, found mainly on The Hill. If you were in the Hill District, you would see the only Dr Pepper signs in town. Thus the regional Dr Pepper became an exotic ‘Colored’ product.

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dangerman  Aug 31, 2016 • 7:57:03am

re: #479 Decatur Deb

Korean Apple II —$500.
Rana 148K? single-sided 5.25” disc drive —$400.

All in 1980 dollars.

for nostalgia, not one-upmanship

to save on timesharing costs (1200baud modem, “dial” up), the first computer i/my company bought for business was a Wang 2200 SVP
the monitor cost like $3k.
the cpu was way more
aside from the size and weight this is my takeaway:

cpu - 56k (yes k)
no internal disk drive
2 1MB 8 inch floppy drives - one for programs one for data

today a generic phone is free with a 2 year plan and fits in my pocket….

nevertheless we saved and made a fortune with that boat anchor

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Nyet  Aug 31, 2016 • 7:57:38am

DERP!

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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 31, 2016 • 7:58:48am

re: #489 Nyet

DERP!

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Lena Dunham should take out a restraining order against Li’l Whipsies.

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dangerman  Aug 31, 2016 • 8:00:04am

re: #484 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

I had one of those, and an old record player with no outputs. I’d have its speaker pointing under the bed and the tape recorder on the other side, using the under-box-spring space to mellow out the sound a little bit. Worked surprisingly well.

exactly.
with the microphone!

Ma, tellem to be quiet. im recording !!!!!!!!

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Decatur Deb  Aug 31, 2016 • 8:00:33am

re: #488 dangerman

for nostalgia, not one-upmanship

to save on timesharing costs (1200baud modem, “dial” up), the first computer i/my company bought for business was a Wang 2200 SVP
the monitor cost like $3k.
the cpu was way more
aside from the size and weight this is my takeaway:

cpu - 56k (yes k)
no internal disk drive
2 1MB 8 inch floppy drives - one for programs one for data

today a generic phone is free with a 2 year plan and fits in my pocket….

nevertheless we saved and made a fortune with that boat anchor

Army was still buying a lot of desktop Wangs, phasing them out in the late 80s. My shop had one of the few remaining ones in a distant overseas base, so at staff meetings I could boast that I had “the last functioning Wang in the command”.

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dangerman  Aug 31, 2016 • 8:01:55am

re: #486 lizardofid

For me it was “Sodee Water” for the most part, or the very generic sounding “cold drink”.

cold drink he dont make it:

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Nyet  Aug 31, 2016 • 8:02:25am

re: #490 The Vicious Babushka

Lena Dunham should take out a restraining order against Li’l Whipsies.

His obsession with child sexuality is evident.

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Nyet  Aug 31, 2016 • 8:04:13am

If we go by substance and not by labels, the GOP is the party of segregationists, the Dems are the party of Lincoln.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Aug 31, 2016 • 8:04:41am

re: #494 Nyet

His obsession with child sexuality is evident.

Only kind Virgin Ben’s got….

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Sir John Barron  Aug 31, 2016 • 8:04:57am

re: #489 Nyet

DERP!

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Ben sure has a Lena Dunham fixation. He should get help.

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dangerman  Aug 31, 2016 • 8:05:16am

re: #492 Decatur Deb

Army was still buying a lot of desktop Wangs, phasing them out in the late 80s. My shop had one of the few remaining ones in a distant overseas base, so at staff meetings I could complain that I had “the last functioning Wang in the command”.

built and ran my first distributed wan with a wang 2200 lvpc until we migrated to dec/vax. would seem i left a trail of dead companies in my wake…(still working on microsoft)

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Nyet  Aug 31, 2016 • 8:05:49am

If two wine bottles’ contents are exchanged, the wine in each bottle is no longer the same, no matter what is written on the bottle.

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dangerman  Aug 31, 2016 • 8:06:06am

re: #495 Nyet

If we go by substance and not by labels, the GOP is the party of segregationists, the Dems are the the party of Lincoln.

cant do that
the argument wouldnt work

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Emptor scriptor Remorse  Aug 31, 2016 • 8:06:35am

No Man’s Sky is becoming a No refund dude!

Recently, unhappy No Man’s Sky gamers began reporting successfully returning the game to retailers like Steam and Amazon, and even Sony . These disgruntled players were issued refunds, even though in some cases they fell outside the return policies of the companies in question.

User reviews for No Man’s Sky on Steam are “Mostly Negative” with a litany of issues ranging from technical performance, to missing features. It’s little wonder that Steam has been hit with myriad requests.

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Nyet  Aug 31, 2016 • 8:07:29am

re: #500 dangerman

cant do that
the argument wouldnt work

Not in the “dumb it down” environment, true.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Aug 31, 2016 • 8:07:49am

re: #495 Nyet

If we go by substance and not by labels, the GOP is the party of segregationists, the Dems are the party of Lincoln.

Exactly. I freely admit that if this was 1856 or 1860 or 1864 or 1868 or 1872—conceivably 1876, I don’t know—I’d be voting Republican. I can guara-damn-tee that if Abraham Lincoln were alive today, he’d be voting Democratic. How hard is this to understand?

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Sir John Barron  Aug 31, 2016 • 8:09:05am

re: #442 Skip Intro

So today the SF Chronicle has an article (featuring a pic of Milo)

I don’t think even the Freedom of the Press guarantee can protect this.

//

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Nyet  Aug 31, 2016 • 8:09:12am

re: #503 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Yep. Important is to use present tense verbs. Sure, the Dems were the segregationists. Now the GOP is their home.

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Nyet  Aug 31, 2016 • 8:12:18am

lolololol
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Decatur Deb  Aug 31, 2016 • 8:14:00am

re: #505 Nyet

Yep. Important is to use present tense verbs. Sure, the Dems were the segregationists. Now the GOP is their home.

The parties started turning themselves inside-out by Teddy Roosevelt’s time, and had pretty much completed the reversal under LBJ.

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Scottishdragon  Aug 31, 2016 • 8:14:13am

re: #34 Charles Johnson

Exactly. There’s no way this comes out as a plus for Nieto or Mexico. Trump is trying to use him to trick Hispanics into voting for him, and it’s totally obvious.

Nieto is at 23% approval rating right now in Mexico. Publicly stiffing Trump in Mexico would be a huge win for him. Mexican citizens would absolutely love to see a sitting Mexican president get the upper hand on a loathed American candidate for POTUS.

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A wild WITHAK appeared!  Aug 31, 2016 • 8:14:53am

At what time is the Taco Bowl Summit supposed to occur?

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Decatur Deb  Aug 31, 2016 • 8:15:37am

re: #509 A wild WITHAK appeared!

At what time is the Taco Bowl Summit supposed to occur?

Manana is soon enough for me.

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dangerman  Aug 31, 2016 • 8:16:23am

re: #503 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Exactly. I freely admit that if this was 1856 or 1860 or 1864 or 1868 or 1872—conceivably 1876, I don’t know—I’d be voting Republican. I can guara-damn-tee that if Abraham Lincoln were alive today, he’d be voting Democratic. How hard is this to understand?

because as you know it’s not about understanding
its about crafting an irrefutable argument

all those people are dead so who they are/were doesnt matter
the names dem and rep continue
ergo, ipso facto, qed, quid pro quo, whatever — i proved it

the institutions themselves evolved and descendants of those people plus all the new people may have switched which of nyet’s bottles they were comfortable in

this is obvious to a gnat sized brain and is doesnt matter - it doesnt support the argument

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Nyet  Aug 31, 2016 • 8:17:55am

re: #507 Decatur Deb

Simple fact: Lincoln is hated in the GOP bastion states, by the GOP base.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Aug 31, 2016 • 8:19:12am

re: #503 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Exactly. I freely admit that if this was 1856 or 1860 or 1864 or 1868 or 1872—conceivably 1876, I don’t know—I’d be voting Republican. I can guara-damn-tee that if Abraham Lincoln were alive today, he’d be voting Democratic. How hard is this to understand?

Conservatives are immune to the idea of evolution.

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(((The Engineer Lobuno)))  Aug 31, 2016 • 8:19:34am

re: #463 dangerman

i agree and also have remastered copies of many of my important favorites - ie probably more than 6 different recordings/masterings/formats of “Allman Brothers At Fillmore East”

some of it is nostalgia
some is that when i heard things originally, those sounds were a seamless part of the thing- whether a spoken comedy album or music or whatever. especially skips - the elided words didnt exist and werent missed until years later when i found out what wasnt there.

clarified some things, and in others, took away the mystery

Something similar happened to a local rock band on one of their best known songs. The original song has a swear word, but it was altered for radio. That version became popular enough that they had to use it for their shows. When asked, they basically shrugged and said that they were giving the audience what they wanted.

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Decatur Deb  Aug 31, 2016 • 8:19:37am

re: #512 Nyet

Simple fact: Lincoln is hated in the GOP bastion states, by the GOP base.

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There are assholes who celebrate John Wilkes Booth’s birthday. They’re not Democrats.

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Nyet  Aug 31, 2016 • 8:20:25am

re: #511 dangerman

There are other levels of understanding than the purely literal one.
That said, proving the premise “the GOP is the Party of Lincoln” (as opposed to was) requires some work too. Lincoln is dead, after all.

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lawhawk  Aug 31, 2016 • 8:20:29am

re: #507 Decatur Deb

Which party would Lincoln or TR or Eisenhower or FDR feel most at home with now?

It isn’t the GOP - all would be Democrats based on word and deed of the current party actions/statements/positions.

The right wing extremists have moved the GOP beyond all bounds, and are engaging in revisionist history otherwise.

They’re also trying to hitch a ride on the Party of Lincoln stuff to ignore the reality that the party is no longer in line with the words and deeds of Lincoln.

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Timothy Watson  Aug 31, 2016 • 8:20:54am

re: #512 Nyet

Simple fact: Lincoln is hated in the GOP bastion states, by the GOP base.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Aug 31, 2016 • 8:22:56am

re: #512 Nyet

Simple fact: Lincoln is hated in the GOP bastion states, by the GOP base.

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Nyet  Aug 31, 2016 • 8:24:02am

re: #519 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Good idea for a zombie comedy.

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Nyet  Aug 31, 2016 • 8:25:46am

It’s not at all evident that, rhetorically speaking, the legal continuation is more important than the spiritual one. Hence I think my argument is possible.

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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 31, 2016 • 8:29:34am

My kids grew up with “Willie Wonka and the Chocolate Factory” as one of their favorite movies. Yes, some parts of it were scary and bad things happened to kids, but they were “bad kids” who deserved to be punished for their psychopathic behavior.

I never watched the Johnny Depp remake, but I heard it was toned down a lot to be less scary.

The original book by Roald Dahl is even more horrifying than the Gene Wilder movie. In it, Wonka was an imperialistic slave owner. He invaded a small African country and captured and enslaved an entire pygmy tribe to work in his chocolate sweatshop. The movie changed the indigenous Africans to a race of Donald Trump mini-mes. The Johnny Depp remake IIRC made CGI Oompa Loompas, thereby depriving Little People of much needed employment.

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dangerman  Aug 31, 2016 • 8:29:48am

re: #516 Nyet

There are other levels of understanding than the purely literal one.
That said, proving the premise “the GOP is the Party of Lincoln” (as opposed to was) requires some work too. Lincoln is dead, after all.

yes you are right

“the GOP is the Party of Trump” is easier and i intend to help that one along

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Charles Johnson  Aug 31, 2016 • 8:30:26am
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Jenner7  Aug 31, 2016 • 8:31:27am

Gee, I can’t figure out why it’s happening or why it’s now acceptable.

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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 31, 2016 • 8:32:26am

re: #524 Charles Johnson

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Twitter must have some filter for the f-word embedded in user names.

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dangerman  Aug 31, 2016 • 8:33:11am

re: #524 Charles Johnson

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i’m sure they hired a guy (or girl) gave ‘em a desk, and has but one job…

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Interesting Times  Aug 31, 2016 • 8:34:08am

re: #525 Jenner7

twitter.com

Gee, I can’t figure out why it’s happening or why it’s now acceptable.

I propose a name for it: The Trollification of America :/

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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 31, 2016 • 8:35:15am

re: #525 Jenner7

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Gee, I can’t figure out why it’s happening or why it’s now acceptable.

“Political correctness is killing us, believe me folks. It’s killing us, okay? Okay?”

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Belafon  Aug 31, 2016 • 8:35:55am

re: #522 The Vicious Babushka

All of the Oompa Loompas were played by one person, Deep Roy. He would be filmed multiple times for the same scene, portraying different Oompa Loompas. If you watch the movie, you will notice that they don’t move exactly the same way in a particular scene.

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scottslemmons  Aug 31, 2016 • 8:36:42am

re: #528 Interesting Times

I propose a name for it: The Trollification of America :/

I blame Fox for helping to normalize sociopathy.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 31, 2016 • 8:39:55am

re: #531 scottslemmons

I blame Fox for helping to normalize sociopathy.

Well, when every little thing is The Final Clash Of Civilization Against The Barbarian Hordes, it doesn’t encourage politeness.

The funny thing is, by seeing every election as a last ditch fight against the Apocalypse rather than a swing of the pendulum, they’ve managed to make this election into the last ditch fight against the Apocalypse.

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philosophus invidius  Aug 31, 2016 • 8:39:55am

Now Sarah Palin is down with Alex Jones

I guess I shouldn’t be surprised.

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Sir John Barron  Aug 31, 2016 • 8:41:16am

re: #533 philosophus invidius

Now Sarah Palin is down with Alex Jones

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I guess I shouldn’t be surprised.

So the Russians/Putin are the good guys, the bad guys? Not sure what the RWNJ messaging is these days.

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ObserverArt  Aug 31, 2016 • 8:41:21am

Okay…I made it through this thread from last being a part late last night. A couple points.

Soft drinks. A term used on many a menu and in stores, etc. Always cut through the regional ‘pop’ and ‘soda’ issues.

Trump going to Mexico. Remember 2008 and Obama giving the speech in Germany as a candidate? Remember all the moaning from the likes of Rush Limbaugh and Fox News and the like. If I remember correctly that started the whole “excuse maker” label that is still used.

Anyway…Trump in Mexico. You know the conservative press will “excuse” him for it.

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Jenner7  Aug 31, 2016 • 8:41:39am
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Nyet  Aug 31, 2016 • 8:42:50am

re: #533 philosophus invidius

Sarah was Trump before Trump… and Trump loves him some Alex.

All the red lines have been crossed and don’t exist. Overton spinning in his grave.

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makeitstop  Aug 31, 2016 • 8:42:50am

re: #534 Sir John Barron

So the Russians/Putin are the good guys, the bad guys? Not sure what the RWNJ messaging is these days.

///

They just go with whatever works at the moment.

Consistency is the hobgoblin of small minds people with functioning brains.

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dangerman  Aug 31, 2016 • 8:42:59am

i am sad
this election season is disappointing and i’m a bit disgusted

i look forward to the presidential races. it’s not often, so there’s plenty of time for recovery and to get stuff done. then it comes back…

i always liked following the (somewhat) horserace info on 538 et al - since before 2000 way back when believe it or not (unless you yourself remember) when imdb of all places had a huge commenting presence re: gwb, because of those movies.

and there was always wonderful political theater. and as i guess is obvious - things while sometimes got weird always existed inside a sort of place /boundaries and stayed there - flirting with the edges was —wow…

my metaphor for today is that in a sense opera and wrestling are both entertainment - and when i watch an opera i expect certain things to happen and others not. theres still villains, crime, good guys bad ones, etc. but theres a format…a kind of structure or artificial world. and you could have mikado or pagliacci or pinafore or carmen, don giovanni, What’s Opera Doc?, all who could coexist in that same world.

now two things have happened that depress me
first this particular campaign has shined the light on how much of america are downright racist/evil and how many are just really bad thinkers

i think trump supporters are mainly 2 types - the obvious ones that believe what he says - these really depress me
and those that simply have/had to convince themselves that they have to vote for him

anyway the second and more depressing is that opera and WWE have been merged or the walls torn down or whatever. now when i go to sit down in my seat to watch the opera world theatre, i get wwe and am totally shocked and unprepared for it. it doesnt comport with the opera world and is scary to me its in the building at all.

this is not the fault of some avant garde director (campaign managers). that didnt get them in the house. its more than that.

im hoping this is not the new normal campaign for president paradigm. that glaring unfitness, lack of facts and detailed policies - heck even this bizarre lack of desire for the position fade quickly away. let alone open disdain for large minority segments of the population

i’m hoping its a one season thing and will revert back somewhat to die valkyrie, fleidermaus, barber of seville, rigoletto - or at least a compilation album like “opera for people who hate opera”

(ok im done - back to the silliness du jour)

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Sir John Barron  Aug 31, 2016 • 8:44:12am

re: #533 philosophus invidius

Russia Positions Troops 50 Miles From Alaska » Alex Jones’ Infowars: There’s a war on for your mind! infowars.com
— Sarah Palin

So, an amphibious assault? Doesn’t sound particularly efficient.

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Timothy Watson  Aug 31, 2016 • 8:45:05am

re: #533 philosophus invidius

Now Sarah Palin is down with Alex Jones

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I guess I shouldn’t be surprised.

The Russians stationing troops in their own country?! HOW DARE THEY?!?!?!

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ObserverArt  Aug 31, 2016 • 8:45:06am

re: #475 Decatur Deb

That was very much the first mass storage device for our Apple II knockoff.

In one of the bands I was in the late 80s we had a Chroma Polaris keyboard. It had different programs (sounds) you could load. They were on a data cassette and we had a Radio Shack data cassette player just for that purpose.

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Timothy Watson  Aug 31, 2016 • 8:47:40am
F-22 Raptors based at Joint Base Elmendorf-Richardson will also have difficulty responding to Russian air incursions, as they have done in the past, if the Iskander ballistic missile system were deployed to the Russian Far East. The Iskander is a mobile missile system capable of targeting aircraft and launching nuclear-armed missiles at targets up to 300 miles away.

Uh…what? Since when could a ballistic missile system “target[] aircraft”?

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Snarknado!  Aug 31, 2016 • 8:49:20am

re: #522 The Vicious Babushka

My kids grew up with “Willie Wonka and the Chocolate Factory” as one of their favorite movies. Yes, some parts of it were scary and bad things happened to kids, but they were “bad kids” who deserved to be punished for their psychopathic behavior.

I never watched the Johnny Depp remake, but I heard it was toned down a lot to be less scary.

The original book by Roald Dahl is even more horrifying than the Gene Wilder movie. In it, Wonka was an imperialistic slave owner. He invaded a small African country and captured and enslaved an entire pygmy tribe to work in his chocolate sweatshop. The movie changed the indigenous Africans to a race of Donald Trump mini-mes. The Johnny Depp remake IIRC made CGI Oompa Loompas, thereby depriving Little People of much needed employment.

Actually, the Oompa Loompas were glad to go with him because they lived on caterpillars in their homeland, and he offered them chocolate. Won’t meet current fair labor standards, I fear, but it’s okay for a children’s fantasy.

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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 31, 2016 • 8:52:39am

re: #544 Snarknado!

Actually, the Oompa Loompas were glad to go with him because they lived on caterpillars in their homeland, and he offered them chocolate. Won’t meet current fair labor standards, I fear, but it’s okay for a children’s fantasy.

I don’t think it’s OK for a children’s fantasy to condone slavery, but I’m just an old SJW that way.

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lawhawk  Aug 31, 2016 • 8:52:52am

The real reason Trump’s going to Mexico - to get a stash of cane sugar Coca Cola, and not the HFCS stuff they ordinarily sell here in the US (except for the Kosher for Passover variety and some of the imported stuff). /sarc not sarc

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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 31, 2016 • 8:53:37am

re: #546 lawhawk

The real reason Trump’s going to Mexico - to get a stash of cane sugar Coca Cola, and not the HFCS stuff they ordinarily sell here in the US (except for the Kosher for Passover variety and some of the imported stuff). /sarc not sarc

I thought Trump drinks only diet coke *gag*

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A wild WITHAK appeared!  Aug 31, 2016 • 8:55:06am

The latest 538 chat is full of snark, as always:

micah: Yeah, it seems like even if he shits positions, Anna, voters won’t forget about his old one.

* “Shifts,” that should say.

natesilver: I think “shits” is more accurate tbh.

micah: We can’t publish that.

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ObserverArt  Aug 31, 2016 • 8:56:00am

re: #546 lawhawk

The real reason Trump’s going to Mexico - to get a stash of cane sugar Coca Cola, and not the HFCS stuff they ordinarily sell here in the US (except for the Kosher for Passover variety and some of the imported stuff). /sarc not sarc

Isn’t Coke changing to sugar? I’ve seen commercials here in Ohio for it. It might not available everywhere yet, but I think they are headed that way.

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Snarknado!  Aug 31, 2016 • 9:00:04am

re: #545 The Vicious Babushka

I don’t think it’s OK for a children’s fantasy to condone slavery, but I’m just an old SJW that way.

I don’t recall it as slavery, but a job offer (but I probably WAS a child the last time I read it.)

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Snarknado!  Aug 31, 2016 • 9:01:20am

re: #549 ObserverArt

Isn’t Coke changing to sugar? I’ve seen commercials here in Ohio for it. It might not available everywhere yet, but I think they are headed that way.

Coke “made with real sugar” is available some places here (CA bay area).

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Belafon  Aug 31, 2016 • 9:04:22am

re: #550 Snarknado!

I don’t recall it as slavery, but a job offer (but I probably WAS a child the last time I read it.)

From Wikipedia:

Oompa-Loompas are knee-high beings who originate from Loompaland. The Oompa-Loompas would end up being preyed upon or attacked by the various predators that also reside in Loompaland before Wonka invited them to work at his factory and are paid in their favorite food, cocoa beans, which were extremely rare on their island. The Oompa-Loompas are also mischievous, loving practical jokes and singing songs which, according to Wonka, they are very good at improvising. With each misbehaving child’s exit, the Oompa-Loompas sing moralizing songs of the child’s folly.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 31, 2016 • 9:05:27am

re: #551 Snarknado!

Coke “made with real sugar” is available some places here (CA bay area).

Yeah. Out here, we call it ‘Mexican Coke’, because the stuff made in Mexico uses cane sugar instead of what Mrs. FBW refers to as ‘High Fucked Up Conr Syrup’.

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Snarknado!  Aug 31, 2016 • 9:07:12am

re: #553 Blind Frog Belly White

Yeah. Out here, we call it ‘Mexican Coke’, because the stuff made in Mexico uses cane sugar instead of what Mrs. FBW refers to as ‘High Fucked Up Conr Syrup’.

… although I never understood the problem HFCS, except that they put it in everything. Sugar is sugar, after all.

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makeitstop  Aug 31, 2016 • 9:07:33am

re: #551 Snarknado!

Coke “made with real sugar” is available some places here (CA bay area).

We get it here on LI, but you gotta go looking for it. Not available in all stores for some reason.

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Bubblehead II  Aug 31, 2016 • 9:08:03am
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Targetpractice  Aug 31, 2016 • 9:10:22am

re: #543 Timothy Watson

Uh…what? Since when could a ballistic missile system “target[] aircraft”?

Iskander is the second replacement for the infamous “Scud” after the Oka was killed by the INF Treaty. It goes up and it comes down, it does not serve as a SAM. Whoever wrote that paragraph needs to be pistol whipped until they RTFM.

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makeitstop  Aug 31, 2016 • 9:11:24am

So, Trump ditched the media for the Taco Bowl Summit?

Members of the press corps assigned to cover Donald Trump’s campaign have criss-crossed the country on the trail with the GOP nominee for months, but they won’t be in Mexico for Trump’s big meeting on Wednesday with President Enrique Peña Nieto.

The last-minute jaunt, which was announced late Tuesday, further strained the campaign’s relations with the press corps. Although there is a chartered plane for members of the Trump press corps, it was redirected to Phoenix ahead of the GOP nominee’s scheduled speech on immigration there on Wednesday evening.

How to win friends and influence people.
/////

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Targetpractice  Aug 31, 2016 • 9:12:19am

re: #558 makeitstop

So, Trump ditched the media for the Taco Bowl Summit?

How to win friends and influence people.
/////

Translation: Trump doesn’t want the press there to contradict him when he insists that Nieto dropped to the floor to kiss his shoes.

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Belafon  Aug 31, 2016 • 9:12:36am

Here’s a story to make your eyes water (pictures in the Daily Kos link):

Several times lately I have tried to remember my time in middle school, did I like all my teachers, do I even remember them? Did I have many friends? Did I sit with anyone at lunch? Just how mean were kids really? I remember one kid on the bus called me “Tammy Fay Baker” bc I started awkwardly wearing eye liner in the sixth grade, I remember being tough and calling him a silly name back, but when he couldn’t see me anymore I cried. I do remember middle school being scary, and hard. Now that I have a child starting middle school, I have feelings of anxiety for him, and they can be overwhelming if I let them. Sometimes I’m grateful for his autism. That may sound like a terrible thing to say, but in some ways I think, I hope, it shields him. He doesn’t seem to notice when people stare at him when he flaps his hands. He doesn’t seem to notice that he doesn’t get invited to birthday parties anymore. And he doesn’t seem to mind if he eats lunch alone. It’s one of my daily questions for him. Was there a time today you felt sad? Who did you eat lunch with today? Sometimes the answer is a classmate, but most days it’s nobody. Those are the days I feel sad for him, but he doesn’t seem to mind. He is a super sweet child, who always has a smile and hug for everyone he meets. A friend of mine sent this beautiful picture to me today and when I saw it with the caption “Travis Rudolph is eating lunch with your son” I replied “who is that?” He said “FSU football player”, then I had tears streaming down my face. Travis Rudolph, a wide receiver at Florida State, and several other FSU players visited my sons school today. I’m not sure what exactly made this incredibly kind man share a lunch table with my son, but I’m happy to say that it will not soon be forgotten. This is one day I didn’t have to worry if my sweet boy ate lunch alone, because he sat across from someone who is a hero in many eyes. Travis Rudolph thank you so much, you made this momma exceedingly happy, and have made us fans for life!

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Aug 31, 2016 • 9:13:27am

re: #459 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

I use Adobe’s Audition to do LP clean-up’s. Works real well.

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Dr. Matt  Aug 31, 2016 • 9:14:21am

Election 2016 Presidential Polls

Wednesday, August 31
General Election: Clinton +5

Tuesday, August 30
General Election: Clinton +5
General Election: Clinton +4

Monday, August 29
General Election: Clinton +7
General Election: Clinton +7

realclearpolitics.com

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danarchy  Aug 31, 2016 • 9:14:29am

re: #554 Snarknado!

… although I never understood the problem HFCS, except that they put it in everything. Sugar is sugar, after all.

Yeah, technically HFCS is slightly sweeter than cane sugar so theoretically you can use less of it, not that that ever happens. There really is minimal difference in the way the body metabolizes HFCS vs cane sugar though, so equal calories of each will get you just as fat.

*EDIT: There is a distinct flavor difference though. I prefer cane sugar myself.

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Dr. Matt  Aug 31, 2016 • 9:22:11am

Does Trump’s trip to Mexico violate the Logan Act?

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Belafon  Aug 31, 2016 • 9:23:45am

re: #564 Dr. Matt

Does Trump’s trip to Mexico violate the Logan Act?

Only if he attempts to negotiate.

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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 31, 2016 • 9:30:04am

re: #563 danarchy

Yeah, technically HFCS is slightly sweeter than cane sugar so theoretically you can use less of it, not that that ever happens. There really is minimal difference in the way the body metabolizes HFCS vs cane sugar though, so equal calories of each will get you just as fat.

HFCS is used in place of sugar because it is cheaper.

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Lidane  Aug 31, 2016 • 9:30:07am

re: #559 Targetpractice

Translation: Trump doesn’t want the press there to contradict him when he insists that Nieto dropped to the floor to kiss his shoes.

Too bad for Cheeto Jesus that a lot of major media outlets like CNN, AP, NBC, CBS, and ABC, and the Washington Post all have Mexico City bureaus.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 31, 2016 • 9:35:01am

re: #533 philosophus invidius

Did she confirm that report by looking out her window?

//

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Interesting Times  Aug 31, 2016 • 9:36:57am

re: #563 danarchy

Yeah, technically HFCS is slightly sweeter than cane sugar so theoretically you can use less of it, not that that ever happens. There really is minimal difference in the way the body metabolizes HFCS vs cane sugar though, so equal calories of each will get you just as fat.

Well, there’s this: Corn Syrup Has Nastier Effects Than Sugar On Female Mice

Corn syrup was found to be more toxic to female mice than table sugar, shortening their lives and cutting their rate of reproduction, according to a study by University of Utah researchers published online in a scientific journal on Monday.

The study showed that female mice fed a diet which contained 25 percent of calories from added fructose and glucose carbohydrates known as monosaccharides that are found in corn syrup died at a rate 1.87 times higher than female mice on a diet in which 25 percent of calories came from sucrose.

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makeitstop  Aug 31, 2016 • 9:38:10am

Clinton going on in Cincinnati now.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Aug 31, 2016 • 9:38:24am

re: #554 Snarknado!

… although I never understood the problem HFCS, except that they put it in everything. Sugar is sugar, after all.

Well, we’re supposed to eat fruit instead of candy, so fructose is good. But high-fructose corn syrup is bad because reasons. But while HF40 is high fructose for corn syrup, it actually has less fructose than cane or beet sugar (50%). So it must be glucose that’s bad, right? But glucose is our bodies’ energy currency—we convert everything into glucose. Your brain runs on nothing else. Have the HFCS panic-mongers get back to me when they figure out what the hell they’re talking about. I’ll be holding my breath over here….

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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 31, 2016 • 9:38:30am

Yes I much prefer cane sugar. That’s why American ketchup will always be inferior to Canadian.

Also I hate HFCS loaded drinks. They leave a nasty after texture in my mouth.

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Bubblehead II  Aug 31, 2016 • 9:41:23am

re: #570 makeitstop

Clinton going on in Cincinnati now.

added the Youtube link

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Aug 31, 2016 • 9:42:35am
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Dr. Matt  Aug 31, 2016 • 9:42:42am

re: #570 makeitstop

Clinton going on in Cincinnati now.

Meanwhile: Trump Flies To Mexico, Trump’s Traveling Press Corps Left Behind In America

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lawhawk  Aug 31, 2016 • 9:43:46am

re: #574 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Fox ‘Doctor’ Keith Ablow: Trump Talking About His Dick On TV Proves He’s Super Sane

Proof that Ablow is blowing chunks about, well, everything.

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Dr. Matt  Aug 31, 2016 • 9:49:40am

re: #576 lawhawk

Proof that Ablow is blowing chunks about, well, everything.

He’s nothing but a GOP cabana boy.

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Sir John Barron  Aug 31, 2016 • 9:50:30am

re: #574 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Fox ‘Doctor’ Keith Ablow: Trump Talking About His Dick On TV Proves He’s Super Sane

Words don’t mean anything, nothing matters.

//

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 31, 2016 • 9:50:37am
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Jenner7  Aug 31, 2016 • 9:50:57am

Hillary is making sense.

How unusual in this election.

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Sir John Barron  Aug 31, 2016 • 9:51:48am

re: #573 Bubblehead II

added the Youtube link

Dim Jim: BREAKING: YouTube commenters hate Clinton speech.

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Jenner7  Aug 31, 2016 • 9:52:48am
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Bubblehead II  Aug 31, 2016 • 9:52:53am

re: #581 Sir John Barron

Dim Jim: BREAKING: YouTube commenters hate Clinton speech.

108 dislike v 45 likes

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 31, 2016 • 9:53:15am
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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Aug 31, 2016 • 9:53:16am

Clinton To Give Speech On ‘American Exceptionalism’ With Bush Official In OH

Hillary Clinton will jump back on the campaign trail on Wednesday with a scheduled foreign policy speech in Cincinnati, Ohio in which she will reportedly boost the idea of “American exceptionalism.”

The former secretary of state will be joined onstage by George W. Bush’s former deputy assistant secretary of state, James Clad, who announced his endorsement in a Tuesday statement.

“For Republicans and Democrats alike, everything in national security requires clarity and steadiness, whether managing nuclear weapons or balancing great power rivalries,” Clad said in the statement. “Never losing sight of the national interest is key - a discipline which Secretary Clinton possesses in full measure.”

Without mentioning Donald Trump by name, Clad dismissed the GOP nominee as “an incoherent amateur” who cannot win in November.

“Our adversaries must never hear flippancy or ignorance in America’s voice. They should never take satisfaction from an incompetent president,” he said. “Giving an incoherent amateur the keys to the White House this November will doom us to second or third class status.”

So nobody but me remembers Reagan?

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Sir John Barron  Aug 31, 2016 • 9:53:17am

Dim Jim:WOW! BREAKING! Commenters at GateWay Pundit hate Clinton speech, say Trump will make America great again!

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Dr. Matt  Aug 31, 2016 • 9:54:05am

re: #585 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Clinton To Give Speech On ‘American Exceptionalism’ With Bush Official In OH

Meanwhile, Trump has spent the last 18 months convincing his sheeple that America is a terrible place.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 31, 2016 • 9:54:14am

re: #576 lawhawk

Proof that Ablow is blowing chunks about, well, everything.

So he’s got the right name then?

/

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Sir John Barron  Aug 31, 2016 • 9:55:06am

re: #584 Backwoods_Sleuth

Clinton: ‘you don’t build coalitions by insulting our friends and acting like a loose cannon.’ @Local12
— Jeff Hirsh

Not acting like a loose cannon. Being a loose cannon.

But I’ll forgive HRC for this mis-statement. /

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 31, 2016 • 9:55:43am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 31, 2016 • 9:57:21am
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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Aug 31, 2016 • 9:57:36am

re: #581 Sir John Barron

Dim Jim: BREAKING: YouTube commenters hate Clinton speech.

You forgot WOW!!

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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 31, 2016 • 9:57:55am

re: #590 Backwoods_Sleuth

It’s like the divorced father who never sends birthday cards or Christmas gifts and only visits his son once a year for a few hours yet is still convinced he’s doing a good job at being part of the boys life.

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mmmirele  Aug 31, 2016 • 9:58:23am

re: #202 teleskiguy

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Maricopa County’s voters are hateful morons.

Uhhhhh, some of us are registered Dems and don’t deserve the opprobrium. Trust me, we’re real frustrated with the abuses, etc with Arpaio.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 31, 2016 • 9:58:50am

re: #591 Backwoods_Sleuth

Contrast with Trump:

“Pay up or we won’t defend you anymore.”

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makeitstop  Aug 31, 2016 • 10:00:26am

This is a good speech. She’s hitting all the right notes, and getting plenty of shots in on Trump.

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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 31, 2016 • 10:01:02am
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De Kolta Chair  Aug 31, 2016 • 10:04:29am
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Sir John Barron  Aug 31, 2016 • 10:05:42am

[Andrea Mitchell]Hillary Clinton speaking to the American Legion today. Noted author, Ann Coulter, is with us. Ann, what did you think of her speech?[/Andrea Mitchell]

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mmmirele  Aug 31, 2016 • 10:06:41am

re: #246 freetoken

Of course they do:

Adventists to Open Creation Study Center at ‘Birthplace of Evolution’

We have the Seventh Day Adventists to thank for the absurdity of young earth creationism.

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Bubblehead II  Aug 31, 2016 • 10:07:20am
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Sir John Barron  Aug 31, 2016 • 10:07:32am

re: #597 The Vicious Babushka

“I completely reject anyone, including my opponent, who calls the American military a ‘disaster.’” —Hillary to the @AmericanLegion
— Hillary Clinton

We never win anymore. ISIS. How come we can’t get rid of them? I will start bombing immediately and we will win.

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Dr. Matt  Aug 31, 2016 • 10:10:19am

re: #599 Sir John Barron

[Andrea Mitchell] Hillary Clinton speaking to the American Legion today. Noted author, Ann Coulter, is with us. First, Congrats on your new book! Second, Ann, what did you think of her outfit? [/Andrea Mitchell]

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Sir John Barron  Aug 31, 2016 • 10:11:10am

re: #246 freetoken

Of course they do:

Adventists to Open Creation Study Center at ‘Birthplace of Evolution’

Well, I wouldn’t call it “study”, exactly.

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Interesting Times  Aug 31, 2016 • 10:12:24am

Bwahaha:

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Sir John Barron  Aug 31, 2016 • 10:12:51am

re: #600 mmmirele

We have the Seventh Day Adventists to thank for the absurdity of young earth creationism.

I was an SDA for my first 40ish years. Yeah, YEC is pretty important to them.

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Timothy Watson  Aug 31, 2016 • 10:15:00am

The Android user-interface on my phone is different.

I don’t like that.

/ (Half)

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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 31, 2016 • 10:16:43am

The 1st day…

President Trump: Bomb ISIS! Get me the biggest bombs, the best bombs.

Adviser: Well what specific targets did you-

Trump: Bomb ISIS!

Adviser: Well we can do that sir but we need to…

Trump: Bomb ISIS! Blow them up! Blow them all up! And start hiring contractors for the wall!

Adviser: Sigh…

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Sir John Barron  Aug 31, 2016 • 10:17:11am

re: #603 Dr. Matt

[Andrea Mitchell] Hillary Clinton speaking to the American Legion today. Noted author, Ann Coulter, is with us. First, Congrats on your new book! Second, Ann, what did you think of her outfit? [/Andrea Mitchell]

[Andrea Mitchell]Ann, nobody trusts Hillary Clinton. In your new great book, you say we should trust Trump. Tell us why.[/Andrea Mitchell]

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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 31, 2016 • 10:17:24am

re: #607 Timothy Watson

The Android user-interface on my phone is different.

I don’t like that.

/ (Half)

6.0 Marshmallow update?

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Sir John Barron  Aug 31, 2016 • 10:18:10am

re: #608 Eclectic Cyborg

The 1st day…

President Trump: Bomb ISIS! Get me the biggest bombs, the best bombs.

Adviser: Well what specific targets did you-

Trump: Bomb ISIS!

Adviser: Well we can do that sir but we need to…

Trump: Bomb ISIS! Blow them up! Blow them all up! And start hiring contractors for the wall!

Adviser: Sigh…

Advisor: Well, we can continue Obama’s bombing campaign.

Trump: Great, do that. Amazing. Very big.

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wrenchwench  Aug 31, 2016 • 10:18:53am
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Jenner7  Aug 31, 2016 • 10:21:37am

Sigh. Sweet Jesus, Wolf. The President of Mexico invited BOTH candidates. Not just Trump.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 31, 2016 • 10:21:51am
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Jenner7  Aug 31, 2016 • 10:23:06am

CNN talked about Clinton’s speech for about 1 minute, then went to Trump.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 31, 2016 • 10:23:17am

heh

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jabowery  Aug 31, 2016 • 10:23:30am

At this video:

Academic Freedom Conference II: Session 7: Kevin McDonald

You’ll witness Donald Trump Jr.’s “Professor of Psychology” as an open sewer main gushing forth white supremacist antisemitism.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Aug 31, 2016 • 10:24:13am
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Sir John Barron  Aug 31, 2016 • 10:25:35am

re: #617 Backwoods_Sleuth

heh

[Embedded content]

“This is my last press conference. You won’t have Nixon to kick…”

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Timothy Watson  Aug 31, 2016 • 10:26:48am

re: #610 Eclectic Cyborg

6.0 Marshmallow update?

Yep.

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Sir John Barron  Aug 31, 2016 • 10:27:17am

re: #616 Jenner7

CNN talked about Clinton’s speech for about 1 minute, then went to Trump.

Media: many people say campaigns lack substance and that they would rather hear about issues than personality. When we get back we’ll talk to Corey Lewanski who knows Trump well.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Aug 31, 2016 • 10:27:26am

re: #617 Backwoods_Sleuth

heh

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IOKIYAR.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 31, 2016 • 10:27:54am

re: #615 Backwoods_Sleuth

Funny, I don’t remember Nixon calling the Chinese rapists and criminals…

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Sir John Barron  Aug 31, 2016 • 10:27:59am

re: #618 jabowery

Does this guy actually teach anywhere? Hope there isn’t a university that has to put up with this guy.

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dangerman  Aug 31, 2016 • 10:28:05am

re: #617 Backwoods_Sleuth

heh

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how dare you use my spoken (tape recorded) words against me - that i said should be made public.

and dont you dare use my future written statements either.

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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 31, 2016 • 10:28:36am

Automatic Blocking Function triggered==>

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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 31, 2016 • 10:29:19am

re: #624 Eclectic Cyborg

Funny, I don’t remember Nixon calling the Chinese rapists and criminals…

I don’t remember the US not having diplomatic relations with Mexico for 50 years.

629
Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 31, 2016 • 10:30:05am

re: #619 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Now if they could just nail down that whole “spinning like a tornado” thing…

630
sagehen  Aug 31, 2016 • 10:31:00am

translation:
Mexican novelist Antonio Ortuño: “Montezuma invited Hernán Cortés to lunch and it went really well. That’s what Peña Nieto’s advisors told him. And here we go.”

631
lawhawk  Aug 31, 2016 • 10:31:06am

LePage is taking a page from Trump - refuse to speak to the press and manipulate them all the same.

LePage lies about drug crimes in ME like it’s going out of style - blaming minorities for crimes, making easily debunked claims that 90% of the drug crimes are caused by minorities in a state that is overwhelmingly white.

632
wrenchwench  Aug 31, 2016 • 10:31:44am

re: #618 jabowery

Welcome, hatchling.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Aug 31, 2016 • 10:31:50am

re: #628 The Vicious Babushka

I don’t remember the US not having diplomatic relations with Mexico for 50 years.

Well, the French did manage to sneak in Maximilian and Carlotta while we were otherwise occupied.

634
Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 31, 2016 • 10:32:27am

hahahahahaaaa

635
Timothy Watson  Aug 31, 2016 • 10:33:02am

re: #631 lawhawk

LePage is taking a page from Trump - refuse to speak to the press and manipulate them all the same.

LePage lies about drug crimes in ME like it’s going out of style - blaming minorities for crimes, making easily debunked claims that 90% of the drug crimes are caused by minorities in a state that is overwhelmingly white.

Did he ever respond to the ACLU FOIA request for his binders full of drug dealers?

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Aug 31, 2016 • 10:33:04am

re: #630 sagehen

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translation:
Mexican novelist Antonio Ortuño: “Montezuma invited Hernán Cortés to lunch and it went really well. That’s what Peña Nieto’s advisors told him. And here we go.”

BAM!!

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Kryptik: Just Done With It.  Aug 31, 2016 • 10:33:20am

re: #619 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Here’s a little good news, maybe:

Tasmanian devils are rapidly evolving resistance to a contagious cancer

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Wow, that’s great to hear! I only knew about this because of one of the Backyard Scientist’s videos, so hearing that there’s progress there is fantastic.

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wrenchwench  Aug 31, 2016 • 10:34:06am

re: #625 Sir John Barron

Does this guy actually teach anywhere? Hope there isn’t a university that has to put up with this guy.

Cal State Long Beach, retired, the introducer says.

639
The Vicious Babushka  Aug 31, 2016 • 10:34:24am

re: #634 Backwoods_Sleuth

hahahahahaaaa

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“People are in need in Louisiana?”

WE WENT RIGHT THERE WITH TRUCKLOADS OF PLAY DOH!!!!11!!

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Alephnaught  Aug 31, 2016 • 10:34:52am

re: #285 Timothy Watson

Since when was CDU “far-right”?

I know. You’d think they’d know better, especially after the way you hear the RWNJs going on about Angela Merkel. Even the left of centre First Minister of Scotland Nicola Sturgeon respects her, to point of copying her look for her first couple of years in the Scottish Parliament.

Didn’t the RWNJs try to imply Hilary Clinton was trying to emulate Angela Merkel recently? (ie “She’ll let all the immigrants in OOGAH-BOOGAH etc”.)

641
wrenchwench  Aug 31, 2016 • 10:36:21am
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dangerman  Aug 31, 2016 • 10:36:31am

re: #634 Backwoods_Sleuth

hahahahahaaaa

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clinton and pena neito already met, havent they?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 31, 2016 • 10:36:59am

re: #642 dangerman

clinton and pena neito already met, havent they?

yes.

644
Kryptik: Just Done With It.  Aug 31, 2016 • 10:37:31am

re: #640 Alephnaught

I know. You’d think they’d know better, especially after the way you hear the RWNJs going on about Angela Merkel. Even the left of centre First Minister of Scotland Nicola Sturgeon respects her, to point of copying her look for her first couple of years in the Scottish Parliament.

Didn’t the RWNJs try to imply Hilary Clinton was trying to emulate Angela Merkel recently? (ie “She’ll let all the immigrants in OOGAH-BOOGAH etc”.)

Trump for sure did. And god help me, how many assholes are acting like Germany is an infested crater thanks to ‘immigrants and Muslims’ and bullshit like that. The way they say it, all of Europe is a miserable ghetto, a Caliphate, and a ‘SJW safespace’ all in one. It’s bullshit, but it feeds into the massive amount of nativists here looking for a movement to latch on to.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Aug 31, 2016 • 10:38:12am

re: #643 Backwoods_Sleuth

yes.

Plus Obama, Trudeau, and Peña Nieto recently all met. I think we’re good….

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lawhawk  Aug 31, 2016 • 10:39:33am
647
Timothy Watson  Aug 31, 2016 • 10:40:10am

Grr…I can’t skip tracks on the Music player now from the lock screen anymore.

648
Bubblehead II  Aug 31, 2016 • 10:40:26am
649
dangerman  Aug 31, 2016 • 10:40:38am

re: #642 dangerman

clinton and pena neito already met, havent they?

so if conway wants to play first-post-in-a-blog, who’s the leader here? (nyah, nyah)

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wrenchwench  Aug 31, 2016 • 10:40:41am
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Kryptik: Just Done With It.  Aug 31, 2016 • 10:43:17am

re: #650 wrenchwench

JFK greeted in Mexico. Pope Francis greeted in Mexico. Donald Trump “greeted” in Mexico. #TrumpInMexico]

Just a minor fix to that tweet.

652
dangerman  Aug 31, 2016 • 10:43:21am

re: #648 Bubblehead II

its amazing.
just his own voice - unedited - completely sourceable and citeable
no need for narration or explanation

653
Sir John Barron  Aug 31, 2016 • 10:44:37am

re: #652 dangerman

its amazing.
just his own voice - unedited - completely sourceable and citeable
no need for narration or explanation

Taking Trump’s exact words again? Terrible, biased, lies.

///

654
Alephnaught  Aug 31, 2016 • 10:44:48am

re: #390 lizardofid

English is not always the same,where ever you go? I had no idea.

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I know!

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Glasgow Song - Laugh I Nearly Paid My Licence Fee

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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 31, 2016 • 10:45:16am

POETRY BREAK

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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 31, 2016 • 10:47:33am

re: #655 The Vicious Babushka

Is that Prince William??

657
Bubblehead II  Aug 31, 2016 • 10:47:50am

re: #652 dangerman

its amazing.
just his own voice - unedited - completely sourceable and citeable
no need for narration or explanation

And it is just as we predicted. That if tRump got the nomination, Hillary’s campaign would use his own words against him with devastating effect.

To steal that line from Mcd’s I’m loving it.

658
Dr. Matt  Aug 31, 2016 • 10:48:50am

Despite the shit show off the coast of Florida, flights are still relatively on-time.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 31, 2016 • 10:50:25am

re: #658 Dr. Matt

Despite the shit show off the coast of Florida, flights are still relatively on-time.

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including this one:

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wrenchwench  Aug 31, 2016 • 10:51:12am
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Dr. Matt  Aug 31, 2016 • 10:52:16am

“gimme, gimme, gimme, gimme, gimme, gimme”

Instagram

Chipmunk Acrobatics
Photo by @adrian.sarvari

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 31, 2016 • 10:53:27am
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lawhawk  Aug 31, 2016 • 11:03:41am

re: #661 Dr. Matt

Stop touching that chipmunk’s nuts!


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