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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 31, 2016 • 1:09:06pm

I hope Trumps translator is on point.

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De Kolta Chair  Aug 31, 2016 • 1:09:32pm

A blast (of hot air) from the past, now with flag relevance!

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lockjawcanbefun  Aug 31, 2016 • 1:09:45pm

At least nobody will be yelling “Speak English!” from the audience during this.

I think.

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Sir John Barron  Aug 31, 2016 • 1:11:05pm

re: #2 De Kolta Chair

A blast (of hot air) from the past:

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“Everybody is talking….”

This guy

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Mattand  Aug 31, 2016 • 1:11:06pm

What’s most upsetting about Trump, to me, is that no matter what fucking stupid thing he does, his idiot followers lap it up. Look at what’s happening already with his utterly going back on “Round ‘em up, ship ‘em back”. Even the fucking white nationalists are convicnig themselves that he hasn’t screwed them.

And I don’t even want to think about the “independents” I know who are going to view this as Nixon going to China.

Every American with a conscience should be embarrassed beyond belief that this guy has gotten as far as he has.

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Kragar  Aug 31, 2016 • 1:11:25pm
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Skip Intro  Aug 31, 2016 • 1:11:52pm

I’m surprised Trump isn’t wearing his stupid hat.

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Kragar  Aug 31, 2016 • 1:13:03pm
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Jenner7  Aug 31, 2016 • 1:13:17pm

Trump looks like an idiot.

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makeitstop  Aug 31, 2016 • 1:13:25pm

Trump with his fish face on. He looks like such a mook.

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Maxwell Not So Smart  Aug 31, 2016 • 1:14:25pm

No teleprompter for Trump. Expecting offensive word salad.

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Decatur Deb  Aug 31, 2016 • 1:14:36pm

Hope they told Trump “pinga” means “nice tie”.

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Skip Intro  Aug 31, 2016 • 1:15:32pm

Trump’s getting bored.

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Jenner7  Aug 31, 2016 • 1:15:35pm

Trump looks bored.

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Belafon  Aug 31, 2016 • 1:16:35pm

re: #13 Skip Intro

Trump’s getting bored.

re: #14 Jenner7

Trump looks bored.

He probably throught Nieto was Spanish for Pope.

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A wild WITHAK appeared!  Aug 31, 2016 • 1:16:41pm

Peña Nieto says international trade doesn’t need to be a zero-sum game, which is an idea that’s anathema to Trump.

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Jenner7  Aug 31, 2016 • 1:16:48pm

lol

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Maxwell Not So Smart  Aug 31, 2016 • 1:17:17pm

Trump: I like this guy my hands are almost as big as his.

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JP Chgo  Aug 31, 2016 • 1:17:26pm
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Jenner7  Aug 31, 2016 • 1:18:01pm
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Skip Intro  Aug 31, 2016 • 1:18:08pm

This is the longest time in his life that Trump’s been on stage and no one has said his name. He hates it.

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BlueSpotinAL  Aug 31, 2016 • 1:18:24pm

re: #12 Decatur Deb

Hope they told Trump “pinga” means “nice tie”.

or that muy grande pendejo - means my grand pendant.

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Lidane  Aug 31, 2016 • 1:18:25pm
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ipsos  Aug 31, 2016 • 1:18:40pm

Repost from downstairs:

Quick reminder to Charles et al. as this thread winds its way down: when you’re dealing with most Hispanic names, to just say “President Nieto” on second reference is not correct. His surnames, plural, are “Pena Nieto” (paternal and maternal), and so you’d properly call him either “Peña” or “Peña Nieto.”

Or at least that’s what some are saying…

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De Kolta Chair  Aug 31, 2016 • 1:19:12pm

re: #8 Kragar

Agreed, and the beauty part is, according to news reports, neither Nieto or his admin expected Trump to take them up on their offer. For instance, the foreign minister had to rush home from Wisconsin, after opening a new consulate yesterday in Madison.

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Lidane  Aug 31, 2016 • 1:20:24pm
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makeitstop  Aug 31, 2016 • 1:20:31pm

Trump’s hand just slipped off the podium. I think he’s falling asleep.

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Lidane  Aug 31, 2016 • 1:21:17pm
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De Kolta Chair  Aug 31, 2016 • 1:22:59pm

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makeitstop  Aug 31, 2016 • 1:23:14pm

Conway told him to talk slooooooooowwwwwwwwwww.

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A wild WITHAK appeared!  Aug 31, 2016 • 1:23:23pm

He sounds like a junior high kid giving a presentation on Mexico after looking everything up on Wikipedia the night before

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Maxwell Not So Smart  Aug 31, 2016 • 1:24:12pm

I’m not a bigot I have a friends that aren’t drug smugglers Believe me.

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makeitstop  Aug 31, 2016 • 1:24:31pm

Oh, God. ‘Tremendous feelings’ for Mexican-Americans, especially the ones he employs.

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FormerDirtDart  Aug 31, 2016 • 1:25:01pm
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Jenner7  Aug 31, 2016 • 1:25:23pm

Oh my god, did his campaign drug him?!?

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GlutenFreeJesus  Aug 31, 2016 • 1:25:25pm

re: #12 Decatur Deb

One of my dishwashers at a restaurant I worked at years ago tried to convince me “puñeta” was fork. :))))

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Maxwell Not So Smart  Aug 31, 2016 • 1:25:43pm

Worse and worse and worse. See he does have the best words.

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Bubblehead II  Aug 31, 2016 • 1:25:46pm

Stilted. This speech goes against everything he believes in.

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makeitstop  Aug 31, 2016 • 1:26:00pm

re: #35 Jenner7

Oh my god, did his campaign drug him?!?

He does sound like he’s sedated.

Very low-energy. Sad.

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Jenner7  Aug 31, 2016 • 1:26:24pm
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Decatur Deb  Aug 31, 2016 • 1:26:32pm

re: #36 GlutenFreeJesus

One of my dishwashers at a restaurant I worked at years ago tried to convince me “puñeta” was fork. :))))

It is in this Hungarian dictionary I got in England.

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Lidane  Aug 31, 2016 • 1:26:52pm
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Kragar  Aug 31, 2016 • 1:26:57pm
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Nyet  Aug 31, 2016 • 1:27:25pm

Dunno. So far makes him appear more “serious” than he is. Don’t see the presser as a good idea at this moment.

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Bubblehead II  Aug 31, 2016 • 1:27:27pm

oh fuck. The wall. We must build it.

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Mattand  Aug 31, 2016 • 1:27:36pm

re: #41 Decatur Deb

It is in this Hungarian dictionary I got in England.

My nipples explode with delight.

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Lidane  Aug 31, 2016 • 1:28:08pm
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A wild WITHAK appeared!  Aug 31, 2016 • 1:28:11pm

re: #46 Mattand

My nipples explode with delight.

My hovercraft is full of eels.

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wrenchwench  Aug 31, 2016 • 1:28:13pm

Did Trump say ‘a billion dollars per year trade’ between the two countries? It’s a billion dollars per DAY.

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Lidane  Aug 31, 2016 • 1:28:39pm
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A wild WITHAK appeared!  Aug 31, 2016 • 1:28:48pm

re: #45 Bubblehead II

oh fuck. The wall. We must build it.

My feed is skipping all over the place; what did he say? I think it might be behind, as well.

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Maxwell Not So Smart  Aug 31, 2016 • 1:29:26pm

They are talking past each other. That’s why Trump wasn’t paying attention to Pena when he was talking. He didn’t care what he was saying.

Words mean nothing to Trump.

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Jenner7  Aug 31, 2016 • 1:29:32pm

Keep jobs and wealth in our hemisphere?

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Bubblehead II  Aug 31, 2016 • 1:29:35pm

Noticed. Keep the jobs and wealth in our HEMISPHERE, not the United States.

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Mattand  Aug 31, 2016 • 1:29:49pm

re: #49 wrenchwench

Did Trump say ‘a billion dollars per year trade’ between the two countries? It’s a billion dollars per DAY.

I’m taking this is turning into the shit show that was predicted?

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Lidane  Aug 31, 2016 • 1:30:16pm
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Bubblehead II  Aug 31, 2016 • 1:30:51pm

He’s actually taking questions.

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Jenner7  Aug 31, 2016 • 1:30:51pm

They didn’t discuss who is paying for the wall.

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Lidane  Aug 31, 2016 • 1:31:42pm
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Lidane  Aug 31, 2016 • 1:32:20pm
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wrenchwench  Aug 31, 2016 • 1:32:27pm

re: #55 Mattand

I’m taking this is turning into the shit show that was predicted?

It was early in Trump’s remarks. i looked for confirmation, found none.

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Charles Johnson  Aug 31, 2016 • 1:32:29pm
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Jenner7  Aug 31, 2016 • 1:33:03pm

WHY DID HE BOW TO Nieto???!?!

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De Kolta Chair  Aug 31, 2016 • 1:33:05pm

What crazy gringo magic did the American reporters invoke to get those front row seats?

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Lidane  Aug 31, 2016 • 1:33:27pm
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A wild WITHAK appeared!  Aug 31, 2016 • 1:34:41pm

wow, that was weaksauce

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Nyet  Aug 31, 2016 • 1:34:45pm

I don’t know what Nieto was thinking.

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Stanley Sea  Aug 31, 2016 • 1:34:49pm
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Jenner7  Aug 31, 2016 • 1:35:06pm

That was something.

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Lidane  Aug 31, 2016 • 1:35:20pm
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Jenner7  Aug 31, 2016 • 1:36:06pm

re: #70 Lidane

Yes, we know. It’s tremendously disgusting.

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De Kolta Chair  Aug 31, 2016 • 1:36:23pm

Nicolle Wallace is such an inane chucklehead.

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Lidane  Aug 31, 2016 • 1:36:36pm

LOL:

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EmmaAnne  Aug 31, 2016 • 1:36:36pm

He wasn’t as cringe inducing as usual. He did talk about “Mexicans who work for me” rather than “Mexicans and Mexican Americans I work with.” So still not a model of tact or anything.

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Sir John Barron  Aug 31, 2016 • 1:36:58pm

re: #49 wrenchwench

Did Trump say ‘a billion dollars per year trade’ between the two countries? It’s a billion dollars per DAY.

“A billion here, a billion there, pretty soon you’re talking about real money.”

/

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Nyet  Aug 31, 2016 • 1:37:44pm

It was a “rambling” speech for a) partisans, b) intellectuals.
I think an average lukewarm “moderate” will see that Trump “is not so scary” and can “hold his own” when meeting with a foreign head of state.
This may give Trump a bump.

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Sir John Barron  Aug 31, 2016 • 1:38:20pm

re: #63 Jenner7

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WHY DID HE BOW TO Nieto???!?!

See how presidential Trump is. He traveled abroad, didn’t fall down and flop around like a fish. Presidential!

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Sir John Barron  Aug 31, 2016 • 1:38:50pm

re: #76 Nyet

It was a “rambling” speech for a) partisans, b) intellectuals.
I think an average lukewarm “moderate” will see that Trump “is not so scary” and can “hold his own” when meeting with a foreign head of state.
This may give Trump a bump.

unfortunately this is probably so.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Aug 31, 2016 • 1:39:05pm

He didn’t start The Alamo 2.0. He’s so presidential!

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 31, 2016 • 1:39:13pm

re: #76 Nyet

It was a “rambling” speech for a) partisans, b) intellectuals.
I think an average lukewarm “moderate” will see that Trump “is not so scary” and can “hold his own” when meeting with a foreign head of state.
This may give Trump a bump.

He is actually making efforts to seem qualified to be a head of state. But he is not. Certainly not in comparison to his opponent.

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Jenner7  Aug 31, 2016 • 1:39:13pm

How on earth does this make him look presidential??

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Nyet  Aug 31, 2016 • 1:39:56pm

re: #80 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

He is actually making efforts to seem qualified to be a head of state. But he is not. Certainly not in comparison to his opponent.

We know that. An average voter? We’ll see.

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De Kolta Chair  Aug 31, 2016 • 1:39:57pm
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Kragar  Aug 31, 2016 • 1:40:16pm
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KGxvi  Aug 31, 2016 • 1:40:44pm

re: #52 Maxwell Not So Smart

They are talking past each other. That’s why Trump wasn’t paying attention to Pena when he was talking. He didn’t care what he was saying.

Words mean nothing to Trump.

As they say in Westeros, “words are wind.”

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wrenchwench  Aug 31, 2016 • 1:40:53pm

Now Trump flies to Arizona. Nap on the plane is in order.

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austin_blue  Aug 31, 2016 • 1:41:04pm

re: #81 Jenner7

How on earth does this make him look presidential??

He didn’t throw up on his shoes? He didn’t call Pena Nieto a mojado?

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Nyet  Aug 31, 2016 • 1:41:28pm

re: #84 Kragar

Yes, it will be “the new Trump” all the way.
Big mistake.

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KGxvi  Aug 31, 2016 • 1:41:57pm

re: #64 De Kolta Chair

What crazy gringo magic did the American reporters invoke to get those front row seats?

It was part of the all inclusive package at the resort…

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Bubblehead II  Aug 31, 2016 • 1:42:17pm

This whole thing was a nothing burger. They both needed to look good to their respective base. I wonder what it will look like when (and if) Hillary meets with him. Lay odds it will NOT receive as much media attention.

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Nyet  Aug 31, 2016 • 1:42:18pm

See, even we went from “he calls Mexicans rapists” to “his speech was shitty”.

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Interesting Times  Aug 31, 2016 • 1:42:49pm

re: #87 austin_blue

He didn’t throw up on his shoes? He didn’t call Pena Nieto a mojado?

Is the MSM gushing and salivating at how it’s OMG MOST IMPRESSIVE PRESIDENSHUL PIVOT EVAH!!!111!! ? (can’t bring myself to watch their idiocracy-level commentary, since it makes me want to throw things…)

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austin_blue  Aug 31, 2016 • 1:43:49pm

re: #92 Interesting Times

Is the MSM gushing and salivating at how it’s OMG MOST IMPRESSIVE PRESIDENSHUL PIVOT EVAH!!!111!! ? (can’t bring myself to watch their idiocracy-level commentary, since it makes me want to throw things…)

Desk flipping may be a result…

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 31, 2016 • 1:45:58pm

Ladies and gentlemen, we have the horse race the media have been looking for and they are totally pleased with themselves.

And I was wrong, they will keep fawning over Trump until the very end.

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blueraven  Aug 31, 2016 • 1:46:26pm

re: #76 Nyet

It was a “rambling” speech for a) partisans, b) intellectuals.
I think an average lukewarm “moderate” will see that Trump “is not so scary” and can “hold his own” when meeting with a foreign head of state.
This may give Trump a bump.

But for anyone who has been paying attention, it was the total opposite of his usual nasty rhetoric about Mexico. It is like he just choked. Didn’t talk about The Wall. What about deportation?

You may be right…his tone was different. I don’t know if this will fool many, but it is possible.

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Bubblehead II  Aug 31, 2016 • 1:47:05pm

re: #80 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

He is actually making efforts to seem qualified to be a head of state. But he is not. Certainly not in comparison to his opponent.

It was a canned speech. He read it from a piece of paper in front of him. I am actually surprised he followed it. When I say canned, just look at the way he delivered it. It left a very foul taste in his mouth.

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wrenchwench  Aug 31, 2016 • 1:47:50pm

re: #95 blueraven

But for anyone who has been paying attention, it was the total opposite of his usual nasty rhetoric about Mexico. It is like he just choked. Didn’t talk about The Wall. What about deportation?

You may be right…his tone was different. I don’t know if this will fool many, but it is possible.

He’ll catch shit for it in Phoenix.

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Tigger2  Aug 31, 2016 • 1:47:59pm

re: #95 blueraven

But for anyone who has been paying attention, it was the total opposite of his usual nasty rhetoric about Mexico. It is like he just choked. Didn’t talk about The Wall. What about deportation?

You may be right…his tone was different. I don’t know if this will fool many, but it is possible.

But it could also backfire on him with some of his more rabid base.

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leftynyc  Aug 31, 2016 • 1:48:54pm

re: #95 blueraven

I think a lot of that will depend on his speech in AZ. I had thought this trip to Mexico was to take attention away from that because he’s likely to somewhat soften his stance on immigration (anything less than a gestapo force rounding up undocumented families will be anathema to his supporters) at that speech tonight. He wanted THIS to be the story, not the speech.

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KGxvi  Aug 31, 2016 • 1:49:22pm

re: #94 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Ladies and gentlemen, we have the horse race the media have been looking for and they are totally pleased with themselves.

And I was wrong, they will keep fawning over Trump until the very end.

I still expect a Trump meltdown at some point. For the media and their horse race (which is understandable since they need higher ratings to make more money on ad buys), a meltdown would be good for business, just not this early. Nobody talks about the football game where the quarterback throws 5 interceptions before half time while the other team runs up the score… but the game where the quarterback throws three straight interceptions in the fourth quarter and a 21-21 games goes to 42-21? That’s a story.

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Nyet  Aug 31, 2016 • 1:49:27pm

re: #95 blueraven

His hardcore voters will vote for him anyway (SCOTUS) and he did mention his intent to build the wall. They will also rationalize it as having to negotiate, etc.

I don’t see any positives in this presser.

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blueraven  Aug 31, 2016 • 1:49:28pm

re: #97 wrenchwench

He’ll catch shit for it in Phoenix.

I bet his tone will change.

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wrenchwench  Aug 31, 2016 • 1:51:13pm

re: #102 blueraven

I bet his tone will change.

He will make a crack about how long EPN went on.

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Mike Lamb  Aug 31, 2016 • 1:51:18pm

Seems like Drumpf is trying to lose as badly as possible. This obvious stunt won’t convince anyone with a brain that he has changed. Meanwhile, his mouthbreathing, alt-right fanbois will be furious.

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blueraven  Aug 31, 2016 • 1:52:31pm

re: #101 Nyet

His hardcore voters will vote for him anyway (SCOTUS) and he did mention his intent to build the wall. They will also rationalize it as having to negotiate, etc.

I don’t see any positives in this presser.

Yeah, well quite different from the chant and response at his rallies.

Trump: Who will pay for the wall?
Crowd: MEXICO!!!
Trump: 100 percent

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Jenner7  Aug 31, 2016 • 1:53:27pm

Uh oh…

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Stanley Sea  Aug 31, 2016 • 1:53:50pm

Arpaio is on CNN defending him.

Nothing matters anymore.

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leftynyc  Aug 31, 2016 • 1:54:21pm

re: #106 Jenner7

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Uh oh…

And the walk back begins. I think I just may tune into that speech tonight even though listening to him makes my ears bleed.

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Charles Johnson  Aug 31, 2016 • 1:55:26pm
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blueraven  Aug 31, 2016 • 1:56:01pm

Next Trump spin. Well, we don’t really need a PHYSICAL wall.

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Nyet  Aug 31, 2016 • 1:56:30pm

re: #105 blueraven

They know it’s not a rally (even freepers will probably use this excuse) and he conveniently postponed the talks about who pays for the wall. They’re going to vote against Hillary in any case, so even temporary fury doesn’t really mean much. It may sway some brainless so-called “moderates” though.

To be fair: if there will be a bump, I don’t believe it will be a big one. But it’s Trump, so even a small one is too much.

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Lidane  Aug 31, 2016 • 1:56:48pm

re: #106 Jenner7

LOL. Fucking cowards, all of them.

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wrenchwench  Aug 31, 2016 • 1:57:15pm

re: #107 Stanley Sea

Arpaio is on CNN defending him.

Nothing matters anymore.

Arpaio won his primary yesterday because he had three opponents. He’s due back in court soon.

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Lancelot Link  Aug 31, 2016 • 1:58:00pm

Can we call this the first stop on his “apology tour”?

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Nyet  Aug 31, 2016 • 1:58:45pm

re: #111 Nyet

Nieto also made an opening with his “reversal”. If weapons etc. are being brought from the US to Mexico, Trump will use this to buttress his point that Mexico is gonna pay for the wall - now because of self-interest.

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Interesting Times  Aug 31, 2016 • 1:59:38pm

re: #111 Nyet

But do you understand, now, why so many of us despise the MSM? They’re the ones giving trump billions in free advertising, they’re the ones smearing the Clinton Foundation and creating all manner of false equivalences, they’re the ones with endless negative coverage of HRC, and they’re the ones making this election far, far closer than it should ever be.

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leftynyc  Aug 31, 2016 • 1:59:43pm

I’m assuming everyone here has already seen this but I want to make sure. Joe Scarborough did a “tribute” to Amnestydon. It’s pretty devastating.

“Amnesty Don” MSNBC Joe Scarborough tribute to Donald Trump

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Sir John Barron  Aug 31, 2016 • 2:01:02pm

re: #114 Lancelot Link

Can we call this the first stop on his “apology tour”?

Only Obama does ‘apology tours’. Whatever Trump does is OK with his base.
//

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Jenner7  Aug 31, 2016 • 2:01:38pm

Absolutely. Our media doesn’t care. Unless it’s Clinton who said it.

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Nyet  Aug 31, 2016 • 2:02:01pm

re: #116 Interesting Times

I don’t accept generalizations and the current anti-all-media craze is merely another narrative that many on the left share with many on the right. I won’t be a part of it.

*And* this has nothing to do with media in any case: the stupid idea was Nieto’s.

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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 31, 2016 • 2:02:20pm

I just got back from Meijer. Went grocery shopping and bought some “what did you bring me?” crap for the grandkids on the other side of the border. What did I miss?

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Sir John Barron  Aug 31, 2016 • 2:02:39pm

re: #106 Jenner7

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Uh oh…

Even if it’s not really a real wall….

/

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Sir John Barron  Aug 31, 2016 • 2:03:30pm

Daily reminder: Trump’s campaign manager is the dude who runs breitbart.com.

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wrenchwench  Aug 31, 2016 • 2:04:18pm

re: #117 leftynyc

I’m assuming everyone here has already seen this but I want to make sure. Joe Scarborough did a “tribute” to Amnestydon. It’s pretty devastating.

Proves that the Republicans have way more problems than just their Presidential candidate.

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Charles Johnson  Aug 31, 2016 • 2:05:12pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 31, 2016 • 2:05:40pm

So, the president of Mexico breathed new life into “Fast and Furious”.

good grief…

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Sir John Barron  Aug 31, 2016 • 2:06:14pm

re: #119 Jenner7

Is it really going to be that easy to drop this?

Releasing tax returns has been a presidential candidate norm for decades.

Trump won’t release his, media like, “meh”.

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Interesting Times  Aug 31, 2016 • 2:06:59pm

re: #120 Nyet

I don’t accept generalizations and the current anti-all-media craze is merely another narrative that many on the left share with many on the right. I won’t be a part of it.

*And* this has nothing to do with media in any case: the stupid idea was Nieto’s.

But the MSM will give it stupid coverage. Also see what Charles said here, and this from Leslie Moonves:

Not that the CBS executive chairman and CEO might vote for the Republican presidential frontrunner, but he likes the ad money Trump and his competitors are bringing to the network.

“It may not be good for America, but it’s damn good for CBS,” he said of the presidential race.

99% certain the other networks feel the same.

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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 31, 2016 • 2:07:51pm
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Jenner7  Aug 31, 2016 • 2:08:15pm
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Sir John Barron  Aug 31, 2016 • 2:08:44pm

re: #129 The Vicious Babushka

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This is the most Dim Jim thing ever.

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DodgerFan1988  Aug 31, 2016 • 2:09:54pm

The way Trump spoke of his admiration of the Mexican people it’s only a matter of time before the Alt-Right will call him a “cuck.”

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Nyet  Aug 31, 2016 • 2:11:40pm

re: #128 Interesting Times

But the MSM will give it stupid coverage.

Just another generalization. Here is the truth: some will give it stupid coverage; others will give it good coverage. Nobody praises “the media” when they do good, but everybody is a critic when they fuck up (which they do regularly, of course). Sorry, I’m not on board with the nihilist Lügenmedien/Lügenpresse meme.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 31, 2016 • 2:11:55pm
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Jenner7  Aug 31, 2016 • 2:12:05pm
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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 31, 2016 • 2:13:13pm

Trump didn’t jump on Pena Nieto and shave his head.
OMG SO PRESIDENTIAL!!!!11!!!!

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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 31, 2016 • 2:13:27pm

re: #131 Sir John Barron

This is the most Dim Jim thing ever.

Yeah, but realize that Hoft can’t understand how Obama got to be President in the first place, let alone got reelected, or why anyone would ever vote for Hillary ever, or why everyone doesn’t just LOVE Donald Trump, or why blacks don’t vote Republican, or why there are so few gay Republicans.

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Kragar  Aug 31, 2016 • 2:14:13pm

re: #129 The Vicious Babushka

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Dave In Austin  Aug 31, 2016 • 2:14:20pm
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Kragar  Aug 31, 2016 • 2:15:08pm
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jaunte  Aug 31, 2016 • 2:15:14pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 31, 2016 • 2:16:17pm

re: #139 Dave In Austin

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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 31, 2016 • 2:17:01pm

Um, no Li’l Whipsies. “The Left” (whatever that is) is not saying Trump was “emasculated” but “some people” are saying he was Valiumed as fuck.

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Shiplord Kirel  Aug 31, 2016 • 2:17:57pm

Peña Nieto has roughly the approval ratings of the herpes simplex virus. He likes Trump because Trump is one of the few people who are less popular in Mexico than Peña Nieto himself.

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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 31, 2016 • 2:18:31pm

Li’l Whips has boarded the Trump Train. You knew this was coming.

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jaunte  Aug 31, 2016 • 2:18:31pm

re: #143 The Vicious Babushka

So the left’s new argument is that Trump was emasculated. That’s not going to play, since their original argument was that he was INSANE.

Why are these two conditions mutually exclusive?

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TK-421  Aug 31, 2016 • 2:18:58pm

re: #143 The Vicious Babushka

Um, no Li’l Whipsies. “The Left” (whatever that is) is not saying Trump was “emasculated” but “some people” are saying he was Valiumed as fuck.

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From manchild’s own article.

That meant abandoning his Trumpian persona. Yes, Trump’s energy level was Jeb!-esque, almost churlishly anti-enthused. But for Trump, this passes for sobriety. Yes, Trump completely abandoned talk about making Mexico pay for his famed Great Wall of Trumpia. But for Trump, that passes for diplomacy.

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Targetpractice  Aug 31, 2016 • 2:19:38pm

re: #145 The Vicious Babushka

Li’l Whips has boarded the Trump Train. You knew this was coming.

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Dems have no line of attack against a disciplined, moderate Trump. Their whole routine was that he was a nutjob radical.

Trump supporters fell in love with that nutjob radical, are now making excuses for why they’re willing to let him back off his promises just to get elected.

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Nyet  Aug 31, 2016 • 2:21:46pm
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Targetpractice  Aug 31, 2016 • 2:26:43pm

In the course of two weeks, wingnuts went from “Fuck yeah, Trump’s gonna build the wall, kick out the illegals, and make Mexico pay for it all!” to “Well, sure we can’t make them all leave, and that wall’s gonna happen even if Mexico doesn’t pay for it.”

Way to stand up for your principles, fellas. //////

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Stanley Sea  Aug 31, 2016 • 2:27:16pm
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Stanley Sea  Aug 31, 2016 • 2:28:26pm
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Lidane  Aug 31, 2016 • 2:28:33pm

Freepers are convinced that Trump will babble about using remittances to build his wall, either by impounding remittances sent to Mexico or taxing the shit out of them.

Never mind the fact that both of those ideas would be DOA because of the banking and financial services sectors objecting to it. Somehow, Trump will magically force Mexico to still pay for the wall even if he doesn’t force Mexico to pay for the wall.

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De Kolta Chair  Aug 31, 2016 • 2:28:58pm
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I Would Prefer Not To  Aug 31, 2016 • 2:30:38pm

Is there any law that says that Trump has to come back to the USA?

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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 31, 2016 • 2:31:04pm

The night Trump tied up the nomination, he gave the second or third of the “OMG! HE’S PIVOTING!!!” speeches, and one of the commenters summed him up succinctly - there are only two Trumps, Crazy Trump, and Boring Trump. Whenever he tries to not be crazy Trump, he’s completely uninteresting. And when he tries to be interesting, he’s crazy.

That’s really all there is, and it is also true on the policy front - he’s either sspeaking clearly about a batch of completely crazy, stupid, racist policies, or he’s making a complete muddled hash of them. At no point does he ever articulate a moderate position. He just uses weasel words that cause people to ask if he’s softening, till someone pins him down and asks him - or he’s talking to one of his rallies - and he goes back to crazy.

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Targetpractice  Aug 31, 2016 • 2:31:12pm

re: #155 I Would Prefer Not To

Is there any law that says that Trump has to come back to the USA?

I’m pretty sure there’s laws against dumping our trash in Mexico.

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Jebediah, RBG  Aug 31, 2016 • 2:31:30pm

re: #155 I Would Prefer Not To

Murphy’s.

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jaunte  Aug 31, 2016 • 2:31:46pm
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Targetpractice  Aug 31, 2016 • 2:32:16pm

re: #159 jaunte

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Thank you, Captain Obvious.

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jaunte  Aug 31, 2016 • 2:32:20pm

“He knows nothing, but his fly is zipped!”

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Nyet  Aug 31, 2016 • 2:32:31pm

re: #153 Lidane

I also see many freepers being happy about Trump’s move.
No fury, as expected.

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De Kolta Chair  Aug 31, 2016 • 2:33:03pm
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jaunte  Aug 31, 2016 • 2:34:42pm
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wrenchwench  Aug 31, 2016 • 2:34:47pm

re: #159 jaunte

[ Trump can benefit from low expectations.]

The lowest of expectations! So low!

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Mike Lamb  Aug 31, 2016 • 2:34:51pm

re: #145 The Vicious Babushka

Li’l Whips has boarded the Trump Train. You knew this was coming.

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Meanwhile, Shapiro is admitting that the bar was so low that all Trump had to do was not fling feces at the gallery to claim success. His tweets are, shickingly, lacking in credibility.

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Nyet  Aug 31, 2016 • 2:35:47pm

Pena Nieto lifted Trump from “Hitler” to almost an equal. Job well done.

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Great White Snark  Aug 31, 2016 • 2:35:54pm

re: #155 I Would Prefer Not To

Is there any law that says that Trump has to come back to the USA?

re: #157 Targetpractice

I’m pretty sure there’s laws against dumping our trash in Mexico.

OTOH he is from a country known to have terrorist activity. By his own proposal we can deny him landing rights.

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De Kolta Chair  Aug 31, 2016 • 2:36:05pm

OT but I just have to share this great news with fellow GOT fans…

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Mike Lamb  Aug 31, 2016 • 2:36:06pm

re: #145 The Vicious Babushka

Li’l Whips has boarded the Trump Train. You knew this was coming.

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Also too, let’s try this Ben:

Was he lying when he was a “nutjob radical” or is he lying now that he’s “disciplined” and “moderate”.

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Targetpractice  Aug 31, 2016 • 2:36:18pm

Again, as if we needed a working example of how fucked up our system is, that the first woman president must hit all the notes perfectly and on cue or else she’s failed, but the male candidate gets praised if he comes out of the bathroom without toilet paper stuck to the bottom of his shoe.

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wrenchwench  Aug 31, 2016 • 2:38:07pm

re: #24 ipsos

Repost from downstairs:

Quick reminder to Charles et al. as this thread winds its way down: when you’re dealing with most Hispanic names, to just say “President Nieto” on second reference is not correct. His surnames, plural, are “Pena Nieto” (paternal and maternal), and so you’d properly call him either “Peña” or “Peña Nieto.”

Or at least that’s what some are saying…

Repeated because I keep seeing ‘Nieto’ alone. Not always by lizards….

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Nyet  Aug 31, 2016 • 2:38:39pm

re: #172 wrenchwench

Thanks.

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jaunte  Aug 31, 2016 • 2:39:28pm
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Charles Johnson  Aug 31, 2016 • 2:41:25pm
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Targetpractice  Aug 31, 2016 • 2:43:30pm

Week 1: *Trump raves like a nutter*

Media: “Well yes, this is all very disconcerting, but Hillary won’t hold a press conference so we’ll obsess over a nontroversy to ‘balance’ the election coverage.”

Week 2: *Trump mumbles like he’s on Ambien*

Media: “Wow, look how presidential he sounds! He got through the speech without foaming at the mouth! That’s who we need in office!”

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jaunte  Aug 31, 2016 • 2:44:35pm

“Words-mean-nothing” campaign.

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jaunte  Aug 31, 2016 • 2:45:21pm
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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Aug 31, 2016 • 2:47:19pm

re: #172 wrenchwench

Repeated because I keep seeing ‘Nieto’ alone. Not always by lizards….

My impulse is, for the sake of brevity, or fewer capital letters maybe, to say “Peña” alone, but I wasn’t sure it was proper.

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Timothy Watson  Aug 31, 2016 • 2:47:27pm

re: #178 jaunte

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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 31, 2016 • 2:47:44pm
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wrenchwench  Aug 31, 2016 • 2:48:44pm

re: #179 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

My impulse is, for the sake of brevity, or fewer capital letters maybe, to say “Peña” alone, but I wasn’t sure it was proper.

It’s too hard for me to get the tilde in the right place.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Aug 31, 2016 • 2:50:00pm

re: #182 wrenchwench

It’s too hard for me to get the tilde in the right place.

Just option + n, n for me.

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Targetpractice  Aug 31, 2016 • 2:50:16pm

The same media which has for months played up Trump as a guy who “says it like it is” is now making excuses for Trump making every effort to tip-toe around every single spittle-flecked mine he’s laid down between the US and Mexico.

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EPR-radar  Aug 31, 2016 • 2:50:17pm

We are not presently at war with Mexico as a result of Trump’s visit. The main stream media will try to spin this as some kind of great achievement for Trump.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Aug 31, 2016 • 2:51:59pm

re: #185 EPR-radar

We are not presently at war with Mexico as a result of Trump’s visit. The main stream media will try to spin this as some kind of great achievement for Trump.

Why am I reminded of the President in The Marching Morons?

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jaunte  Aug 31, 2016 • 2:52:29pm
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Belafon  Aug 31, 2016 • 2:53:02pm

Unlike SMOTI and Ben-of-the-baby-corn, most of us can remeber the current and previous times Trump spoke, and can compare them to see the Trump is trying to pull a fast one.

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wrenchwench  Aug 31, 2016 • 2:53:29pm
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Charles Johnson  Aug 31, 2016 • 2:54:41pm
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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Aug 31, 2016 • 2:55:33pm

re: #188 Belafon

Unlike SMOTI and Ben-of-the-baby-corn, most of us can remeber the current and previous times Trump spoke, and can compare them to see the Trump is trying to pull a fast one.

To be a right-winger, you have to be so full of grievance that nothing else will fit in your memory. Let one more fact in, and something else will fall out, like Kelly Bundy’s brain.

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Targetpractice  Aug 31, 2016 • 2:55:51pm

re: #188 Belafon

Unlike SMOTI and Ben-of-the-baby-corn, most of us can remeber the current and previous times Trump spoke, and can compare them to see the Trump is trying to pull a fast one.

Yeah, but the media’s news cycle lasts a week at the most, so this “pivot” will be hailed as the start of the “presidential” Trump. We can simply forget about all the shit he’s said for the past year, this is the Trump we’ve been waiting for, the guy who’s gonna buckle down and be like all those other candidates we’ve seen before.

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makeitstop  Aug 31, 2016 • 2:56:30pm

Marshall’s quick take makes a lot of sense.

Third is I think the big thing, what we’ll remember about this in a week and a month: given the opportunity, Drumpf didn’t even discuss who would pay for his border wall let alone demand that Mexico do so. I strongly suspect that will be the big takeaway for Drumpf and that it will not wear will. Drumpf’s line throughout this campaign has been that he’ll tell Mexico to pay for the wall and Mexico will. In a face to face meeting with the actual Mexican President, even one as pliant as this, he was unwilling to do so.

Drumpf’s brand is “dominance politics.” He’s toured the country for a year telling crowds that Mexico will pay. He’ll make them. And yet, when given the opportunity to sit down with the President of Mexico, he didn’t bring it up? There are words for that kind of person, just not words that are any longer acceptable today. For the moment Drumpf is the paradoxical beneficiary of “political correctness.”

If he can’t stand up to an unpopular Mexican president, how will he stand up to Putin?

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EPR-radar  Aug 31, 2016 • 2:57:20pm

re: #192 Targetpractice

Yeah, but the media’s news cycle lasts a week at the most, so this “pivot” will be hailed as the start of the “presidential” Trump. We can simply forget about all the shit he’s said for the past year, this is the Trump we’ve been waiting for, the guy who’s gonna buckle down and be like all those other candidates we’ve seen before.

Rather than pretend that Trump is going to do a non-exixtent pivot, the MSM would be more gainfully employed by researching Scottish insults for Trump and elaborating on that theme.

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Charles Johnson  Aug 31, 2016 • 2:58:26pm
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jaunte  Aug 31, 2016 • 2:58:41pm

Trump website:

Compelling Mexico to Pay for the Wall

Introduction: The provision of the Patriot Act, Section 326 - the “know your customer” provision, compelling financial institutions to demand identity documents before opening accounts or conducting financial transactions is a fundamental element of the outline below. That section authorized the executive branch to issue detailed regulations on the subject, found at 31 CFR 130.120-121. It’s an easy decision for Mexico: make a one-time payment of $5-10 billion to ensure that $24 billion continues to flow into their country year after year. There are several ways to compel Mexico to pay for the wall including the following:

donaldjtrump.com

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Aug 31, 2016 • 3:00:14pm

Peña Nieto is enormously unpopular, we’re told—it seems like Mexican Presidents are always enormously unpopular. So how do these guys keep getting elected? The PRI just throws them up and they’re not allowed to lose?

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Aug 31, 2016 • 3:04:40pm

re: #192 Targetpractice

Yeah, but the media’s news cycle lasts a week at the most, so this “pivot” will be hailed as the start of the “presidential” Trump. We can simply forget about all the shit he’s said for the past year, this is the Trump we’ve been waiting for, the guy who’s gonna buckle down and be like all those other candidates we’ve seen before.

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Timothy Watson  Aug 31, 2016 • 3:04:52pm

re: #188 Belafon

Unlike SMOTI and Ben-of-the-baby-corn, most of us can remeber the current and previous times Trump spoke, and can compare them to see the Trump is trying to pull a fast one.

One of the main reasons that I’m not a conservative anymore is that I remember future tea baggers (e.g., Hannity), who now claim to love the Constitution, saying that it wasn’t Congress’s job to declare war (authorize military force) against Iraq.

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TK-421  Aug 31, 2016 • 3:08:36pm
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Targetpractice  Aug 31, 2016 • 3:08:54pm

re: #198 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

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We’re talking a media that sat watching an empty podium in anticipation of a Trump speech while ignoring a live speech that Hillary was giving. That lets Trump call in his “interviews” but insists it will only be satisfied if Hillary consents to a press conference. And will cover Trump unfiltered but only covers Hillary in soundbytes.

This whole “pivot” is Ailes handy work and he knows how to play the media like a harp from Hell. He’s capitalizing on their short attention span to convince them that Trump has changed, he’s suddenly become that “moderate” the media loves, while Hillary is still a liar and a cheat.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 31, 2016 • 3:15:37pm

re: #178 jaunte

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re: #180 Timothy Watson

NORTH AMERICAN UNION!1!!!

Sounds awfully a lot like NAFTA…..

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN  Aug 31, 2016 • 3:16:30pm

re: #202 Backwoods_Sleuth

We’ll call the currency “Noros”.

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jaunte  Aug 31, 2016 • 3:16:36pm

re: #202 Backwoods_Sleuth

Oddly enough!

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Stanley Sea  Aug 31, 2016 • 3:17:41pm

re: #195 Charles Johnson

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And very low energy.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 31, 2016 • 3:18:28pm

re: #203 SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN

We’ll call the currency “Noros”.

Rhymes with Soros and we got trouble in River City!!!!!!!1111!!!!!

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN  Aug 31, 2016 • 3:18:30pm

I think we can look forward to simultaneous referendums (referenda?):
Do you want to join the North American Union?
DO you want to leave the North American Union?

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jaunte  Aug 31, 2016 • 3:19:08pm
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wrenchwench  Aug 31, 2016 • 3:19:54pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 31, 2016 • 3:20:23pm

thunderstorms and lightning, very very frightening…
Over 100 pounds of dogs hiding under my desk at my feet.
And the wet dog smell wafting up…ewwwwwwww!!!!!!!

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jaunte  Aug 31, 2016 • 3:21:14pm

re: #209 wrenchwench

Breitbart: ño webfont skills.

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sagehen  Aug 31, 2016 • 3:22:50pm

re: #179 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

My impulse is, for the sake of brevity, or fewer capital letters maybe, to say “Peña” alone, but I wasn’t sure it was proper.

Most of the Mexican twitterers call him EPN.

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Charles Johnson  Aug 31, 2016 • 3:23:09pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 31, 2016 • 3:23:33pm

re: #209 wrenchwench

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN  Aug 31, 2016 • 3:23:47pm

re: #211 jaunte

I don’t know why they bothered if they couldn’t do it right. If they just put a standard N up there it would have gone unnoticed by their readership.

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Patricia Kayden  Aug 31, 2016 • 3:26:33pm

re: #129 The Vicious Babushka

What happened at the press conference that would cause polls to change so dramatically in Trump’s favor? All he did was read from notes and looked bored while EPN spoke. This one speech doesn’t erase all of the bigotry Trump has spewed over the last year.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 31, 2016 • 3:27:21pm
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Skip Intro  Aug 31, 2016 • 3:31:47pm

ñre: #216 Patricia Kayden

What happened at the press conference that would cause polls to change so dramatically in Trump’s favor? All he did was read from notes and looked bored while EPN spoke. This one speech doesn’t erase all of the bigotry Trump has spewed over the last year.

That’s all he has to do. Trump could set one of his hotels on fire to collect the insurance money and the media would become bored with the story after 24 hours.

Meanwhile, Trump surrogates go on the media and make all kinds of claims against Hillary, all of which the media feels it has an obligation to investigate and keep alive.

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Targetpractice  Aug 31, 2016 • 3:32:04pm

Like all Internet Tough Guys, Trump said a lot of shit online that he didn’t have the balls to say IRL. If we’re electing presidents based upon their online personas, there’s guys on Youtube I’d vote for before I’d ever vote for Trump.

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Charles Johnson  Aug 31, 2016 • 3:35:00pm
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lockjawcanbefun  Aug 31, 2016 • 3:36:18pm
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Charles Johnson  Aug 31, 2016 • 3:36:49pm
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Timothy Watson  Aug 31, 2016 • 3:37:04pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 31, 2016 • 3:38:30pm

re: #220 Charles Johnson

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Just throw Strom Thurmond back at them, too.

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Charles Johnson  Aug 31, 2016 • 3:39:12pm
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Pawn of the Oppressor  Aug 31, 2016 • 3:39:47pm

re: #143 The Vicious Babushka

Um, no Li’l Whipsies. “The Left” (whatever that is) is not saying Trump was “emasculated” but “some people” are saying he was Valiumed as fuck.

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What is it with this kid and penises? Emasculation, cuckolding, everything is dick dick dick with him 24/7. What a weird little boy.

Edit: And his absolute terror/revulsion at all things trans. He sees everything in terms of defending “manhood”. He’s obsessed with protecting weenies at a Dr. Strangelove level.

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Skip Intro  Aug 31, 2016 • 3:44:52pm
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wrenchwench  Aug 31, 2016 • 3:46:01pm

I’m sure Hillary knows what this is. I’m almost sure Trump has never heard of it.

Merida Initiative

The Merida Initiative is an unprecedented partnership between the United States and Mexico to fight organized crime and associated violence while furthering respect for human rights and the rule of law. Based on principles of common and shared responsibility, mutual trust, and respect for sovereign independence, the two countries’ efforts have built confidence that is transforming the bilateral relationship.

[…]

Merida Programs and Activities

The U.S. Congress has appropriated $2.3 billion since the Merida Initiative began in Fiscal Year 2008. […]

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KGxvi  Aug 31, 2016 • 3:46:09pm

re: #226 Pawn of the Oppressor

What is it with this kid and penises? Emasculation, cuckolding, everything is dick dick dick with him 24/7. What a weird little boy.

Um… nah, you know what, that’s too easy and I’m going to take the high road.

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Pawn of the Oppressor  Aug 31, 2016 • 3:47:04pm

re: #176 Targetpractice

Week 1: *Trump raves like a nutter*

Media: “Well yes, this is all very disconcerting, but Hillary won’t hold a press conference so we’ll obsess over a nontroversy to ‘balance’ the election coverage.”

Week 2: *Trump mumbles like he’s on Ambien*

Media: “Wow, look how presidential he sounds! He got through the speech without foaming at the mouth! That’s who we need in office!”

We live in a Post-Truth Society.

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Skip Intro  Aug 31, 2016 • 3:48:22pm

More world news.

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Targetpractice  Aug 31, 2016 • 3:48:49pm

re: #225 Charles Johnson

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As Josh Marshall has noted, Trump is all about “dominance politics.” Being the one in control of the narrative and making others kneel before him. Now he’s record as backing down from Mexico while Mexico calls him a liar. He’ll have to find some way to reassert his dominance or else risk losing face with his fans.

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Jenner7  Aug 31, 2016 • 3:50:44pm
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wrenchwench  Aug 31, 2016 • 3:52:26pm

re: #233 Jenner7

Repost on next thread….>>>>

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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 31, 2016 • 3:54:10pm

re: #226 Pawn of the Oppressor

What is it with this kid and penises? Emasculation, cuckolding, everything is dick dick dick with him 24/7. What a weird little boy.

Edit: And his absolute terror/revulsion at all things trans. He sees everything in terms of defending “manhood”. He’s obsessed with protecting weenies at a Dr. Strangelove level.

Except when he is talking about Lena Dunham and her sister. Now that is what drives his fantasies.

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No Country For Old Haters  Aug 31, 2016 • 3:55:09pm

re: #198 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

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GlutenFreeJesus  Aug 31, 2016 • 3:55:27pm

re: #231 Skip Intro

Haha

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Scottishdragon  Aug 31, 2016 • 3:58:41pm

re: #227 Skip Intro

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That uncomfortable moment when the North Koreans actually make a sharp, valid and substantive critical observation about your country…

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No Country For Old Haters  Aug 31, 2016 • 4:04:37pm

re: #220 Charles Johnson

That one’s an obvious troll.


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