White Supremacists Absolutely Loved Trump’s Anti-Immigrant Speech in Phoenix

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Just thought I’d take a run around the Twitter accounts of some of the more well-known white supremacists tonight, to see what they thought of Donald Trump’s utterly berserk anti-immigrant speech, and would you be surprised to learn that they all loved it?

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Jenner7  Aug 31, 2016 • 8:39:18pm

I wish I had the money to donate to Clinton.

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retired cynic  Aug 31, 2016 • 8:39:31pm

I’m so horrified, I can’t say anything!

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jaunte  Aug 31, 2016 • 8:39:42pm
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retired cynic  Aug 31, 2016 • 8:40:11pm

re: #1 Jenner7

I wish I had the money to donate to Clinton.

I sent her $25 at the end of the speech, and $25 to the DCCC.

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austin_blue  Aug 31, 2016 • 8:41:00pm

Well, of course they did. It was the perfect mix of paranoia and hate that makes them awake with morning wood.

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teleskiguy  Aug 31, 2016 • 8:41:31pm

That Spencer tweet. I read it and actually vocalized WHAT THE FUCK to my computer screen. That is fucking vile beyond anything, ludicrously horrible and hateful. Jayzuz …

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austin_blue  Aug 31, 2016 • 8:42:13pm

re: #1 Jenner7

I wish I had the money to donate to Clinton.

You do. Send her five bucks.

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austin_blue  Aug 31, 2016 • 8:45:58pm

re: #2 retired cynic

I’m so horrified, I can’t say anything!

Of course you can! Go to your window, open it up, and yell

“I’m mad as hell and I’m not going to take it anymore!”

Paddy Chayefsky would be proud.

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Targetpractice  Aug 31, 2016 • 8:46:25pm

And tomorrow, the media will find ways to insist that this speech was actually beneficial for Trump because he “stayed on message” and it “energized” his supporters. Before going to great lengths to contort his speech every which way possible to call it anything but racist.

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teleskiguy  Aug 31, 2016 • 8:46:42pm

Is Richard Spencer wanting to bring back the days of lynching? All I can read in that evil fucking tweet in this post is that he wants The Rule of Law ignored for mob justice in the name of the white Europeans in the United States. Nazi assholes.

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retired cynic  Aug 31, 2016 • 8:47:41pm

re: #8 austin_blue

Of course you can! Go to your window, open it up, and yell

“I’m mad as hell and I’m not going to take it anymore!”

Paddy Chayefsky would be proud.

I’d scare the horses.

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Charles Johnson  Aug 31, 2016 • 8:48:48pm

re: #10 teleskiguy

Is Richard Spencer wanting to bring back the days of lynching? All I can read in that evil fucking tweet in this post is that he wants The Rule of Law ignored for mob justice in the name of the white Europeans in the United States. Nazi assholes.

That’s exactly what he’s saying. He wants to roll back the Civil Rights Act and bring back the KKK and lynching.

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jaunte  Aug 31, 2016 • 8:50:53pm
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Lidane  Aug 31, 2016 • 8:50:54pm

re: #10 teleskiguy

Is Richard Spencer wanting to bring back the days of lynching? All I can read in that evil fucking tweet in this post is that he wants The Rule of Law ignored for mob justice in the name of the white Europeans in the United States. Nazi assholes.

I assume he’s referring to the Immigration and Nationality Act of 1965 and the Immigration Act of 1924.

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Jenner7  Aug 31, 2016 • 8:51:59pm

Media never fails to disappoint…..

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Targetpractice  Aug 31, 2016 • 8:52:44pm

re: #13 jaunte

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austin_blue  Aug 31, 2016 • 8:53:13pm

re: #10 teleskiguy

Is Richard Spencer wanting to bring back the days of lynching? All I can read in that evil fucking tweet in this post is that he wants The Rule of Law ignored for mob justice in the name of the white Europeans in the United States. Nazi assholes.

Well, yes, that is exactly what he wants. Whoever thought anything different?

The fucker wants a race war. Why is that so difficult to understand? He wants a civil war in the United States between His Side and everyone else.

He’s a fucking oxygen thief and if someone turned his lights off (not that I am advocating that that happen) it would be win/win for humanity.

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jaunte  Aug 31, 2016 • 8:53:31pm

Not exactly a “stark turnaround.” More like a “round up a posse of vigilantes, boys.”

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Targetpractice  Aug 31, 2016 • 8:54:48pm

Seriously, is this what the NYT is gonna go with? A kinder, gentler form of mass deportation?

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jaunte  Aug 31, 2016 • 8:55:15pm
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Jenner7  Aug 31, 2016 • 8:57:09pm
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Targetpractice  Aug 31, 2016 • 8:59:47pm

re: #21 Jenner7

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“Both Sides” is gonna be the epitaph on this nation’s tombstone.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Aug 31, 2016 • 9:04:36pm

Checking on Trump’s allegations about criminals whose home countries refuse their deportation, I find we’re talking about roughly 8,000 people.since 2013. Granted, those people might be dangerous felons, but a few thousand are not going to bring the USA to its knees.

nytimes.com

But Trump finessed the small numbers by bringing his Angel Moms to deliver heartrending stories of how illegal aliens killed their kids, fulfilling the audience expectation that ALL immigrants are unworthy to grace our pristine, crime-free shores.

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Lidane  Aug 31, 2016 • 9:04:49pm
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Targetpractice  Aug 31, 2016 • 9:06:39pm

re: #20 jaunte

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For context, the same author who wrote this article wrote another earlier this week saying Huma’s separation from her hubby “cast a cloud” over Hillary’s campaign.

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teleskiguy  Aug 31, 2016 • 9:06:44pm
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austin_blue  Aug 31, 2016 • 9:07:40pm

re: #19 Targetpractice

Seriously, is this what the NYT is gonna go with? A kinder, gentler form of mass deportation?

Back in the bad old days here on LGF, Ben Hur and his cohort of bigots used the term “Transfer” to soften the concept of removing all non-jews from Judea. It was code for ethnic cleansing.

What we had today was a Presidential candidate who advocated ethnic cleansing of Hispanics from America. He wants to “Transfer” them back to Mexico and points south. It’s ethnic cleansing, American style, and it is absolutely supported by white supremacists, who are over the moon by this speech tonight.

Any other interpretation of that speech is well wide of the mark.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 31, 2016 • 9:11:25pm

It’s amazing contrast. Fly to Mexico on a half assed effort to appeal to Latino voters then piss all over them two hours later when you get home.

It’s like the asshole at work who is always nice to your face but badmouthing you behind your back.

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jaunte  Aug 31, 2016 • 9:11:33pm
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ExpatGirl  Aug 31, 2016 • 9:12:08pm

First the internet reacted in horror when Trump was speaking. Now it is reacting in horror to how white guys in the media interpreted it. Those white supremacists heard Trump right. Lawrence O’Donnell heard Trump “softening”.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 31, 2016 • 9:12:16pm

re: #29 jaunte

I think I hate Twitter more each day now.

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jaunte  Aug 31, 2016 • 9:14:31pm

Like all the rest of the white supremacists.

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Targetpractice  Aug 31, 2016 • 9:15:52pm

re: #32 jaunte

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Like all the rest of the white supremacists.

Again proving #NeverTrump was always a joke.

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teleskiguy  Aug 31, 2016 • 9:16:06pm

re: #31 Eclectic Cyborg

Oh I love it! I saw this today on my lunch break.

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retired cynic  Aug 31, 2016 • 9:17:01pm

re: #34 teleskiguy

Oh I love it! I saw this today on my lunch break.

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Frozen teeth!

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TedStriker  Aug 31, 2016 • 9:17:11pm

re: #34 teleskiguy

Oh I love it! I saw this today on my lunch break.

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Well, that big-ass smile on dude’s frozen face says it all ;-)

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Kryptik: Just Done With It.  Aug 31, 2016 • 9:18:43pm

As the youngest son of Filipino immigrants who managed to get out from under Marcos, whose parents only naturalized after my birth, and had visa lapses for sure, this motherfucker and his supporters wants to say that my family, who have been in this country for at least 10 years prior to my birth and virtually known no other country, are invaders and might just need to be under consideration for deportation.

Again, the message is clear: “you’re not American, you can never be American, you’re not allowed to be American, you invading human disease’. And we’re not even the targets of this bullshit.

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Jenner7  Aug 31, 2016 • 9:18:58pm

I got in trouble, but I donated 5 bucks. I don’t care. This is too damn important.

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teleskiguy  Aug 31, 2016 • 9:20:01pm

Ludwig van Beethoven - Moonlight Sonata ( 3rd Movement ) Tina S Cover

17 years old. I was still trying to master major and minor power chords when I was 17 years old.

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Jenner7  Aug 31, 2016 • 9:21:52pm

She’s on right now.

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William Lewis  Aug 31, 2016 • 9:23:46pm

re: #31 Eclectic Cyborg

I think I hate Twitter more each day now.

That is why I refuse to use it. Nothing worth it.

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William Lewis  Aug 31, 2016 • 9:24:40pm

re: #39 teleskiguy

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17 years old. I was still trying to master major and minor power chords when I was 17 years old.

I posted that a while back. I like here playing of The Trooper.

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retired cynic  Aug 31, 2016 • 9:29:50pm

re: #39 teleskiguy

Holy cow.

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Kragar  Aug 31, 2016 • 9:30:04pm
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austin_blue  Aug 31, 2016 • 9:38:26pm

Here’s what I’d like to see tomorrow on Hilary’s twitter feed:

The alt.right, white supremacists, and the KKK loved Donald Trump’s speech advocating the ethnic cleansing of immigrants from the United States.

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Bill and Opus for 2016!  Aug 31, 2016 • 9:43:06pm

What really disheartens me about the Trump campaign statements and the fact that even mainstream media outlets are allowing this rhetoric to go unchallenged is the fact that as a result of it we are going to see yet another instance of some far-right “lone wolf” committing yet another act of targeted violence.

We’ve seen this scenario repeat itself many, many times and afterward those who were fanning the flames of hatred simply shrugging their shoulders asking how an Erik Rudolph, Timothy McVeigh, Anders Breivik, Dylan Roof or any other of a litany of similar actors could possibly get their motivation to commit such acts.

Now, they’ve got a presidential candidate whose closest confidants (including family members) who have openly advocated a race war against non-whites, and no matter how the election turns out, will have empowered the next person or persons to act out on that fantasy.

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jaunte  Aug 31, 2016 • 9:43:49pm
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austin_blue  Aug 31, 2016 • 9:53:44pm

re: #46 Bill and Opus for 2016!

What really disheartens me about the Trump campaign statements and the fact that even mainstream media outlets are allowing this rhetoric to go unchallenged is the fact that as a result of it we are going to see yet another instance of some far-right “lone wolf” committing yet another act of targeted violence.

We’ve seen this scenario repeat itself many, many times and afterward those who were fanning the flames of hatred simply shrugging their shoulders asking how an Erik Rudolph, Timothy McVeigh, Anders Breivik, Dylan Roof or any other of a litany of similar actors could possibly get their motivation to commit such acts.

Now, they’ve got a presidential candidate whose closest confidants (including family members) who have openly advocated a race war against non-whites, and no matter how the election turns out, will have empowered the next person or persons to act out on that fantasy.

I can’t accept that it will go to that extreme, yet. Is it possible? Yes. Has the Gaaaaah! increased the chances? Yes.

I just hope that individuals won’t go after candidates. I would not be surprised if individual voters will die during this election cycle, although it makes me sick to think of it, but candidates?

Geez.

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Jenner7  Aug 31, 2016 • 9:54:49pm
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Jenner7  Aug 31, 2016 • 9:59:19pm

And now Trump is vomiting all over twitter.

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Dr Lizardo  Aug 31, 2016 • 9:59:27pm

I just had a rather disturbing thought. It wouldn’t surprise me in the slightest that if/when Mr. Trump loses, some (perhaps a relative handful) of these supporters of his might try moving to Europe - where they will say they’re in “self-imposed exile” and try to hook up with their European fascist counterparts. I’m sure they’re already in touch with each other. The ones that can afford to do it and aren’t too tied down in the US might entertain the idea.

Yeesh……that’s the last thing Europe needs.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Aug 31, 2016 • 10:06:26pm

I’m having some trouble uploading an image to Twitter. Probably the fault of the Great Firewall of China and my VPN.

So here it is.

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Dr Lizardo  Aug 31, 2016 • 10:12:18pm

Anyway, back later. Off to work. The bills aren’t gonna pay themselves.

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teleskiguy  Aug 31, 2016 • 10:13:30pm

re: #32 jaunte

Jonah “doughy pantload” Goldberg was upset about this tweet tonight.

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austin_blue  Aug 31, 2016 • 10:16:52pm

re: #51 Dr Lizardo

I just had a rather disturbing thought. It wouldn’t surprise me in the slightest that if/when Mr. Trump loses, some (perhaps a relative handful) of these supporters of his might try moving to Europe - where they will say they’re in “self-imposed exile” and try to hook up with their European fascist counterparts. I’m sure they’re already in touch with each other. The ones that can afford to do it and aren’t too tied down in the US might entertain the idea.

Yeesh……that’s the last thing Europe needs.

You’ve already got a strong cohort of idjits in Europe now. The last thing you need is an influx of American idjits. One thing to remember is that the vast majority of American idjits have neither passports nor the money to relo to Europe.

Count your blessings

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William Lewis  Aug 31, 2016 • 10:19:16pm

re: #51 Dr Lizardo

They’d sure have a surprise when they couldn’t own all the gunz they want over there. Bet most of them couldn’t pass the Czech Republic tests for a license.

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Scout  Aug 31, 2016 • 10:20:53pm

This is from a tweet by one of the NY Times reporters earlier:

I’m just going to quickly flash back to what Trump told our editorial board earlier this year, when he said that he uses the border-wall reference as a way to jolt the crowd when he sees them losing interest

Trump really does use Hitler as his model on the stump.

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Dave In Austin  Aug 31, 2016 • 10:26:44pm

re: #54 teleskiguy

Did you go through that thread? Lordy…. I need a shower.

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austin_blue  Aug 31, 2016 • 10:28:37pm

re: #58 Dave In Austin

Did you go through that thread? Lordy…. I need a shower.

Anyone who looked at it does. Ick.

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KGxvi  Aug 31, 2016 • 10:36:02pm

re: #37 Kryptik: Just Done With It.

Again, the message is clear: “you’re not American, you can never be American, you’re not allowed to be American, you invading human disease’. And we’re not even the targets of this bullshit.

We talk a lot about American exceptionalism and what “makes America great”, but we rarely ever actually talk about those things that make America great, that make America exceptional. One of those things, perhaps the most important think, is that America is as much an idea as it is a place. And because it is an idea, it is open to anyone who wants to join. You can move to Germany, you can learn German, you can become a German citizen, but that won’t make you German. You can move to China, you can learn Mandarin, you can become a Chinese citizen, but that won’t make you Chinese. But America? You can come to America, you can learn just the basics of our common (but not official) language, and you can become a citizen… and just like that, you’re an American. You’re as American as the decedents of Thomas Jefferson.

Have we always lived up to this ideal? Sadly, no. There have always been those among us who say “no more.” But they have usually been, throughout our history, the minority. Because deep down, we all know that we had an ancestor who rode a freighter to the port at Ellis Island, in the gaze of grand dame Liberty, or who sailed through the Golden Gate, or crossed the Rio Grande… and so we strive, as we always have to build that more perfect union that the Framers dreamed of.

So to those who say “no more”, I say:

Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!

Because that is what makes America great.

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teleskiguy  Aug 31, 2016 • 10:36:33pm

Trump people. They paid attention in English class.

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teleskiguy  Aug 31, 2016 • 10:38:43pm

re: #61 teleskiguy

Shit, she deleted the tweet. No matter.

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Scout  Aug 31, 2016 • 10:39:40pm

re: #60 KGxvi

Hear hear!

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majii  Aug 31, 2016 • 10:50:34pm

re: #47 jaunte

“Houston’s Jacob Monty has resigned…”

I’ll never understand why anyone would ever expect Trump to keep his word about anything. His record shows that he has stiffed many persons in the past. If Mr. Monty and other Hispanics/Latinos expected compassion from Trump in regard to his immigration policy, they’re way more gullible than I thought they were. A major reason Trump’s support among Black Americans hasn’t increased since he began his “black outreach” gig is because we know that his actions don’t match his words, and that he has never planned to do anything for us or any other group of Americans other than for his rich peers, and his plan is to lower their taxes at everyone else’s expense. We’re not as stupid as he thinks we are.

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austin_blue  Aug 31, 2016 • 11:03:31pm

re: #64 majii

“Houston’s Jacob Monty has resigned…”

I’ll never understand why anyone would ever expect Trump to keep his word about anything. His record shows that he has stiffed many persons in the past. If Mr. Monty and other Hispanics/Latinos expected compassion from Trump in regard to his immigration policy, they’re way more gullible than I thought they were. A major reason Trump’s support among Black Americans hasn’t increased since he began his “black outreach” gig is because we know that his actions don’t match his words, and that he has never planned to do anything for us or any other group of Americans other than for his rich peers, and his plan is to lower their taxes at everyone else’s expense. We’re not as stupid as he thinks we are.

Sadly, many are.

And good night, all. Sweet skinky dreams.

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Snarknado!  Aug 31, 2016 • 11:18:11pm

re: #51 Dr Lizardo

I just had a rather disturbing thought. It wouldn’t surprise me in the slightest that if/when Mr. Trump loses, some (perhaps a relative handful) of these supporters of his might try moving to Europe - where they will say they’re in “self-imposed exile” and try to hook up with their European fascist counterparts. I’m sure they’re already in touch with each other. The ones that can afford to do it and aren’t too tied down in the US might entertain the idea.

Yeesh……that’s the last thing Europe needs.

Nah. They wouldn’t be allowed to take their guns.

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Dave In Austin  Aug 31, 2016 • 11:20:28pm
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Anymouse  Aug 31, 2016 • 11:31:29pm

re: #37 Kryptik: Just Done With It.

As the youngest son of Filipino immigrants who managed to get out from under Marcos, whose parents only naturalized after my birth, and had visa lapses for sure, this motherfucker and his supporters wants to say that my family, who have been in this country for at least 10 years prior to my birth and virtually known no other country, are invaders and might just need to be under consideration for deportation.

Again, the message is clear: “you’re not American, you can never be American, you’re not allowed to be American, you invading human disease’. And we’re not even the targets of this bullshit.

As the grandson of illegal immigrants that got away from the freakin’ Nazis in Poland, Trump and Rep. Steve King (R-Ia) and others like them want me deported too.

I get that message and I feel for you, too.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 1, 2016 • 12:03:37am

I would support a “wall” (in the form of highly restricted access to US territory) as part of a comprehensive immigration reform plan. But that would involve amnesty, and registering, rather than rounding up all aliens living here.

Right now, there are too many vested interests against a plan like that.

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goddamnedfrank  Sep 1, 2016 • 12:06:12am
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Anymouse  Sep 1, 2016 • 12:09:39am

msnbc.com

I did not watch Trump’s speech but did watch Rachel Maddow’s take on it.

Holy crap. Fascism 101.

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Anymouse  Sep 1, 2016 • 12:18:46am

Veterans for Kaepernick hashtag has thousands and thousands of tweets from veterans, active duty and reservists, Gold Star Families, &c arguing for the 49ers quarterback’s position and the right to do what he is doing (exercising his I Amendment rights).
twitter.com

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 1, 2016 • 12:24:08am

re: #55 austin_blue

You’ve already got a strong cohort of idjits in Europe now. The last thing you need is an influx of American idjits. One thing to remember is that the vast majority of American idjits have neither passports nor the money to relo to Europe.

Count your blessings

Nor could they stand the decadent state of Socialist economy and secularist culture there. And the waiters are snobby, the drinks don’t have enough ice and none of the shops are open 24/7.

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Anymouse  Sep 1, 2016 • 12:27:16am

re: #69 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I would support a “wall” (in the form of highly restricted access to US territory) as part of a comprehensive immigration reform plan. But that would involve amnesty, and registering, rather than rounding up all aliens living here.

Right now, there are too many vested interests against a plan like that.

And we’re left with what “highly restricted access” means. It is already difficult to get a US visa, even for tourism.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 1, 2016 • 12:37:19am

re: #74 Anymouse

And we’re left with what “highly restricted access” means. It is already difficult to get a US visa, even for tourism.

Because once you are in the country, it is very easy to hunker down and stay illegally. The only thing that would change that situation would be a national ID card (one for citizens, one for legal resident aliens) and a system by which people would need to register one fixed address.

But since that is not about to happen, and since “The Wall” is just a propaganda talking point that is impossible to realize, we are going to have nothing but a patchwork of local solutions that do nothing but kick the can down the road or even make things worse.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Sep 1, 2016 • 12:39:15am

re: #75 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Because once you are in the country, it is very easy to hunker down and stay illegally. The only thing that would change that situation would be a national ID card (one for citizens, one for legal resident aliens) and a system by which people would need to register one fixed address.

But since that is not about to happen, and since “The Wall” is just a propaganda talking point that is impossible to realize, we are going to have nothing but a patchwork of local solutions that do nothing but kick the can down the road or even make things worse.

Not just any wall. It’ll be a Super Wall, extending below and above ground, with sensors and watch towers. It’ll make your head spin!

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Anymouse  Sep 1, 2016 • 12:43:18am

re: #75 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Because once you are in the country, it is very easy to hunker down and stay illegally. The only thing that would change that situation would be a national ID card (one for citizens, one for legal resident aliens) and a system by which people would need to register one fixed address.

But since that is not about to happen, and since “The Wall” is just a propaganda talking point that is impossible to realize, we are going to have nothing but a patchwork of local solutions that do nothing but kick the can down the road or even make things worse.

National ID card is a non-starter for conservatives.

Moreover, the one thing that would prevent a large number of undocumented immigrants from working (thus having a reason to stay) is enforcing the Felony law for hiring them.

Entering the country without passing a customs house is the actual law for entering undocumented, a civil offence carrying a small fine and deportation.

Hiring an undocumented immigrant carries asset forfeiture of a business and a ten-year prison sentence.

I guarantee you if you sent even one major corporation’s board to jail, that would end hiring.

The Republicans don’t want a solution to this problem: it gives them an issue to scare their voters with. They even abandoned their own immigration reform law (the Gang of Eight bill).

Conservatives are not interested in immigrants, other than how they can be used to scare conservative voters.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 1, 2016 • 12:43:30am

re: #76 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Not just any wall. It’ll be a Super Wall, extending below and above ground, with sensors and watch towers. It’ll make your head spin!

And moats filled with laser sharks and atomic alligators!!!

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Dr Lizardo  Sep 1, 2016 • 12:45:22am

re: #56 William Lewis

They’d sure have a surprise when they couldn’t own all the gunz they want over there. Bet most of them couldn’t pass the Czech Republic tests for a license.

Hell, a lot of Czechs can’t pass the test for a gun license.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 1, 2016 • 12:46:18am

re: #77 Anymouse

National ID card is a non-starter for conservatives.

I guarantee you if you sent even one major corporation’s board to jail, that would end hiring.

The Republicans don’t want a solution to this problem: it gives them an issue to scare their voters with. They even abandoned their own immigration reform law (the Gang of Eight bill).

Conservatives are not interested in immigrants, other than how they can be used to scare conservative voters.

National ID card would also be a red-flag issue for Libertarians and extreme leftists.

But it ain’t gonna happen.

And you did sum it up very well: there are too many vested interests in keeping illegal immigrants in the country to exploit them and drive down wages for legal residents.

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Anymouse  Sep 1, 2016 • 12:49:32am

Do you know how often I use my ID as a citizen (well, Steve King thinks I should be deported, but most people think I am a citizen because I was born here)?

The last time I used any form of ID was my passport when I re-entered the country from Ontario in the beginning of August. Before that: When I entered Saskatchewan in July. Before that, my military ID to enter a military base in Wyoming.

The ID nonsense about “you use your ID to cash a cheque, you should use it to vote” is exactly that: Nonsense.

I have not used an ID to cash a cheque in years. Not to pay my property tax, not to get license plates, not to vote (funny how a deeply red state like Nebraska has mail voting just like Oregon), not for anything at all. I only have it (drivers license) because the law requires it.

I didn’t even need my license to buy my car.

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Single-handed sailor  Sep 1, 2016 • 1:02:00am

Hey! Have you seen Kyle?

He’s about this tall!

Seen Kyle?!

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 1, 2016 • 1:05:53am

re: #81 Anymouse

Do you know how often I use my ID as a citizen (well, Steve King thinks I should be deported, but most people think I am a citizen because I was born here)?

The last time I used any form of ID was my passport when I re-entered the country from Ontario in the beginning of August. Before that: When I entered Saskatchewan in July. Before that, my military ID to enter a military base in Wyoming.

The ID nonsense about “you use your ID to cash a cheque, you should use it to vote” is exactly that: Nonsense.

And that is a big difference to life in Germany, where you need to show ID and registered address to sign a lease or an employment contract, open a bank account, register a car or even buy a mobile phone card.

Not to mention obtaining any form of social services or registering children for school.

But for that, you just show up at the local polling place on election day, your name is already on the list (since your address is registered for that precinct), you show your ID and they cross your name off the list.

Means that voter fraud is not an issue at all here.

It is a shame that such a simple and cost-effective means of solving a lot of problems is simply not politically possible.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Sep 1, 2016 • 1:10:30am

In China, everyone has to show ID in order to buy a rail or air ticket, but not a bus ticket. Go figure.

Citizens with a national ID card and an ATM card can use an automatic kiosk to buy rail tickets, but foreigners have to stand in glacially slow lines to talk to a human ticket seller.

Everyone also has to show ID to book a hotel room. No “John Smiths” allowed.

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teleskiguy  Sep 1, 2016 • 1:12:18am
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Anymouse  Sep 1, 2016 • 1:13:40am
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Anymouse  Sep 1, 2016 • 1:15:55am

re: #83 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

And that is a big difference to life in Germany, where you need to show ID and registered address to sign a lease or an employment contract, open a bank account, register a car or even buy a mobile phone card.

Not to mention obtaining any form of social services or registering children for school.

But for that, you just show up at the local polling place on election day, your name is already on the list (since your address is registered for that precinct), you show your ID and they cross your name off the list.

Means that voter fraud is not an issue at all here.

It is a shame that such a simple and cost-effective means of solving a lot of problems is simply not politically possible.

Voter fraud is not an issue here either. Just a ruse to scare conservative voters.

And every registered voter already has a voter ID: Its called a voter registration card.

The idea that someone would risk massive fines and long jail sentences to cast one single ballot in person in the stead of someone else is ludicrous; equally so an undocumented migrant, who is trying to stay off the police’s radar.

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Anymouse  Sep 1, 2016 • 1:35:50am

huffingtonpost.com;

Indiana woman charged with child abuse invokes Mike Pence’s Religious Freedom Restoration Act law in her defence.

huffingtonpost.com;

Woman in Oklahoma today who killed her daughter with a crucifix and religious medallion claimed in court she was concerned her child was possessed by the Devil.

When are all Christians going to stand up against these atrocities, in the same way they demand all Muslims stand up against the atrocities of a few?

Ruth Bader Ginsberg had it right on the Hobby Lobby case: that ruling in favour of Hobby Lobby and Conestoga Wood Products would open this can of worms.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 1, 2016 • 1:51:09am

re: #87 Anymouse

Voter fraud is not an issue here either. Just a ruse to scare conservative voters.

And every registered voter already has a voter ID: Its called a voter registration card.

The idea that someone would risk massive fines and long jail sentences to cast one single ballot in person in the stead of someone else is ludicrous; equally so an undocumented migrant, who is trying to stay off the police’s radar.

There should be no problem with issuing everyone a citizen ID card at birth or when they are naturalized. It was not an issue to the framers of the Constitution, when people all lived in small communities where nobody was anonymous.

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Barefoot Grin  Sep 1, 2016 • 1:58:04am

re: #9 Targetpractice

And tomorrow, the media will find ways to insist that this speech was actually beneficial for Trump because he “stayed on message” and it “energized” his supporters. Before going to great lengths to contort his speech every which way possible to call it anything but racist.

That’s exactly what I just heard on cnn.

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Anymouse  Sep 1, 2016 • 1:59:00am

re: #89 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

There should be no problem with issuing everyone a citizen ID card at birth or when they are naturalized. It was not an issue to the framers of the Constitution, when people all lived in small communities where nobody was anonymous.

I live in a small community where nobody is anonymous.

I had a letter published in the Scottsbluff Star-Herald the other day. When I went to the county Democratic Party meeting the other day, I got a number of atta-boys for it.

starherald.com

To the Editor:

Donald Trump’s attack on the Khan family (and by extension all Gold Star Families) should be condemned by all Republican politicians. They will not do so. They are as craven as Mr. Trump.

I am a member of a group I would never wish upon anyone, a Gold Star Family member myself. My father died in Vietnam when I was 7 years old. I met the Navy staff car that came to notify my mother of my father’s death in Vietnam.

As both my parents did, I served in the US Navy. Mr. Trump compared his “sacrifice” of constructing buildings to that of the Khan family losing a son in combat. He also stated in the past that his “personal Vietnam” was the danger of acquiring an STD. Republican politicians such as Senator Deb Fischer continue to support Mr. Trump, showing their true calling (party over country).

Though I am of the opposite party from Senator Ben Sasse, I applaud his decision not to support Mr. Trump back in February. As a Gold Star Family member, I eagerly await Senator Fischer’s condemnation of her candidate’s egregious remarks. I do not expect it, however (party over country).

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Ming5000  Sep 1, 2016 • 2:24:42am

Gosh dang it, you mean government does matter?

Dallas Morning News

Texas is home to the largest number of judicial vacancies in the country, a total of 12 vacancies at the district and circuit court levels. All of them have been declared judicial emergencies because of their extreme caseloads.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 1, 2016 • 2:27:44am

re: #92 Ming5000

Gosh dang it, you mean government does matter?

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Dallas Morning News

If it”s good enough for the Supreme Court, it’s good enough for Texas!!!

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Ming5000  Sep 1, 2016 • 2:44:34am

And meanwhile, the only news we see is Trump and HRC emails.

I gotta run, but I found Elizabeth Warren’s report:
Going to Extremes: The Supreme Court and Senate Republicans’ Unprecedented
Record of Obstruction of President Obama’s Nominees
(Huffpo article indicates the report came out 6/6/16)

Almost none of PBO’s noncontroversial district court nominees were confirmed within 100 days.

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Timothy Watson  Sep 1, 2016 • 3:30:09am

THE POOR BUSINESSES NEED THEIR CHEAP CHILD LABOR!!!1!

Maryland Gov. Larry Hogan issued an executive order Wednesday requiring public schools in the state to delay their start dates next year until after Labor Day.

Hogan made the announcement in Ocean City along with Maryland State Comptroller Peter Franchot, who has long pushed for the calendar change.

The order, which goes into effect next year, will also require schools to end their school year by June 15, but it won’t change the overall number of instructional days, the Republican governor said.

Hogan and Franchot said the change gives families more time to enjoy summer vacations in August and would provide an economic boost to the tourism industry and small businesses in the state.

wtop.com

And now the school districts in Maryland are trying to figure out how they’re suppose to accomplish that:

Maryland Gov. Larry Hogan’s executive order requiring schools to push back reopening after summer vacation until after Labor Day means some school districts will have to squeeze a full year of teaching into a shorter time frame.

That’s because in addition to mandating a school-free August, Hogan’s order also requires schools to wrap up teaching no later than June 15 each year.
Some districts say that time crunch could force them to cut back on breaks throughout the year, such as spring break, or cut teacher training days.

Adhering to the governor’s schedule is expected to lead to some planning headaches — especially for those districts that have gradually lengthened their school years of late, experts say.

wtop.com

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Targetpractice  Sep 1, 2016 • 3:48:28am

re: #95 Timothy Watson

THE POOR BUSINESSES NEED THEIR CHEAP CHILD LABOR!!!1!

wtop.com

And now the school districts in Maryland are trying to figure out how they’re suppose to accomplish that:

wtop.com

That’s how a lot of schools operate here in VA, start after Labor Day and done by the middle of June. And largely on the same reasoning, i.e they’re “tourist destinations” that require their child labor force for the last big hurrah of the summer season, then 80-90% of tourism-based businesses shut down for the winter months.

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Thanos  Sep 1, 2016 • 3:58:47am

re: #24 Lidane

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Wahnsinn = Madness
Hetzer - variously translated as agitator, rabble rouser, hunter, baiter. malicious agitator.

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Targetpractice  Sep 1, 2016 • 4:24:35am

Well, I suppose that explains a few things:

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 1, 2016 • 4:34:35am

re: #97 Thanos

Wahnsinn = Madness
Hetzer - variously translated as agitator, rabble rouser, hunter, baiter. malicious agitator.

Hetzer was also a little tank! Vouldt you like to go for a ride in my little tank?

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Barefoot Grin  Sep 1, 2016 • 4:36:33am

re: #99 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Hetzer was also a little tank! Vouldt you like to go for a ride in my little tank?

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Oh yes, Happy Invasion of Poland Day! //

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Tigger2005  Sep 1, 2016 • 4:39:34am

re: #11 retired cynic

I’d scare the horses.

Just avoid saying “Frau Blucher.”

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Targetpractice  Sep 1, 2016 • 4:49:28am

Conway: “Alright Don, we’ve got the trip to Mexico all set up just in time for your speech.”

Trump: “I don’t wanna do it.”

C: “Don, we talked about this, it’ll be big news and you’ll look awesome doing it.”

T: “Alright, but you gotta let me do the speech like I wanna do it.”

C: “Sure, sure, we’ll talk about that after you get back. It should be ready by then.”

*One press conference later*

C: “Ok, we’re all set up, here’s your copy of the speech.”

T: “Keep it, I’m doing my own thing.”

C: “That wasn’t our agreement, Don.”

T: “Sure it was, I didn’t agree to give the speech you wanted. Now watch me hit it out of the park.”

*Spittle-flecked speech later*

T: “That was great! The people love me! This is gonna be YUGE!”

C:

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 1, 2016 • 4:53:31am

re: #100 Barefoot Grin

Oh yes, Happy Invasion of Poland Day! //

September’s here and the time is right for Danzig in the streets!!!

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Anymouse  Sep 1, 2016 • 5:00:41am

On the Invasion of Poland Day, my wife completed her red dress with white polka dots.

Screw Steve King wanting to deport me to Poland. He can do that after he pries my Congressional Gold Star Family pin off my cold dead lapel.

talkingpointsmemo.com

Over at Talking Points Memo, no love for President Nieto of Mexico after Mr. Trump made his visit. A comment there:

As someone who has spent considerable time in Mexico and has been an on-again, off-again observer of the Mexican political scene, I feel comfortable in making this prediction about Pena Nieto’s reception of Trump: It’s a bloody freaking disaster of the first magnitude. I cannot imagine a greater sin than kowtowing to American imperialism. It’s like a Mexican saying they wish they could time travel to the 19th century, to suck James Polk’s cock.

One of the most important monuments in Mexico City is for the child heroes, the military cadets who resisted the American invasion, wrapping themselves in the Mexican flag and jumping to their death rather than be captured by the Americans. Pena Nieto just took a giant whiz on this monument. While wrapped in an American flag.

Pena Nieto was unpopular anyway. Now everyone, all across the political spectrum, will be recoiling in horror and disgust.

A flaming act of political suicide. Stunning.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Sep 1, 2016 • 5:02:21am

re: #98 Targetpractice

Well, I suppose that explains a few things:

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Yeah, the speech sounded like 95% Trump, 5% sane person. I wonder how much of the text was scripted and how much ad libitum.

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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 1, 2016 • 5:02:35am

Good morning!

I just donated $25 to the Hillary Clinton campaign.

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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 1, 2016 • 5:04:04am

re: #105 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Yeah, the speech sounded like 95% Trump, 5% sane person. I wonder how much of the text was scripted and how much ad libitum.

I’m going to take a wild eyed guess that the script was written weeks ago when the Mexico junket was first planned, by Ivanka and/or Jared who demanded that Daddy rehearse it at least once a day.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Sep 1, 2016 • 5:09:35am

re: #107 The Vicious Babushka

I’m going to take a wild eyed guess that the script was written weeks ago when the Mexico junket was first planned, by Ivanka and/or Jared who demanded that Daddy rehearse it at least once a day.

The difference in tone of the speech and the tone of Trump’s remarks in Mexico was jarring, as if they were delivered by two different people. Absolutely no consistency, but since the speech was such a rabble rouser, his fans won’t care about his wimpy behavior in Mexico.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 1, 2016 • 5:12:05am

re: #108 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

The difference in tone of the speech and the tone of Trump’s remarks in Mexico was jarring, as if they were delivered by two different people. Absolutely no consistency, but since the speech was such a rabble rouser, his fans won’t care about his wimpy behavior in Mexico.

We must not forget that DT is a master of sound byte, the Tweet and the 24/7 media news cycle. He can kill the outrage over one day’s remarks by saying something else outrageous the next day. He knows that most viewers are too media-ADD to piece together a comprehensive image.

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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 1, 2016 • 5:13:00am

re: #108 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

The difference in tone of the speech and the tone of Trump’s remarks in Mexico was jarring, as if they were delivered by two different people. Absolutely no consistency, but since the speech was such a rabble rouser, his fans won’t care about his wimpy behavior in Mexico.

During the Mexico event he looked like he was Xanaxed to the gills. He must have gobbled a bunch of speedballs on the plane to Arizona.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Sep 1, 2016 • 5:14:51am

re: #109 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

We must not forget that DT is a master of sound byte, the Tweet and the 24/7 media news cycle. He can kill the outrage over one day’s remarks by saying something else outrageous the next day. He knows that most viewers are too media-ADD to piece together a comprehensive image.

Especially his loyal followers. If he had told that crowd in Phoenix to go outside and bust some windows, they would have done it willingly. As scary as Trump is, his supporters are even more alarming.

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Targetpractice  Sep 1, 2016 • 5:16:24am

And now here’s the NYT, trying to pull a fast one:

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Sep 1, 2016 • 5:16:26am

re: #110 The Vicious Babushka

During the Mexico event he looked like he was Xanaxed to the gills. He must have gobbled a bunch of speedballs on the plane to Arizona.

I hadn’t considered a chemical reason for the difference, but it would explain a lot. Someone said they noticed his hand slipping off the podium in Mexico City, as if he were falling asleep.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 1, 2016 • 5:17:20am

re: #113 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

I hadn’t considered a chemical reason for the difference, but it would explain a lot. Someone said they noticed his hand slipping off the podium in Mexico City, as if he were falling asleep.

would be irresponsible not to speculate. we want medical records!!!

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Sep 1, 2016 • 5:19:23am

OT, but I’ve spent the last few weeks watching all five seasons of Person of Interest. I finished today, and now I feel somewhat bereft. It was a really good show.

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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 1, 2016 • 5:19:26am

WASHINGTON POST STOP THIS LAME SHIT & DO YOUR DAMN JOB

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Patricia Kayden  Sep 1, 2016 • 5:23:10am

re: #62 teleskiguy

Shit, she deleted the tweet. No matter.

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She speaks Palinese very well, I see.

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I Would Prefer Not To  Sep 1, 2016 • 5:25:46am

When’s the pivot?

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Targetpractice  Sep 1, 2016 • 5:26:47am

Trump gives closest thing to a Nuremberg Rally in ages, press immediately tries to find ways to present it as “tough talk” and Trump as just an ordinary politician…all because he’s running against a Clinton.

Yegods.

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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 1, 2016 • 5:26:50am

re: #118 I Would Prefer Not To

When’s the pivot?

He pivoted twice and now is back where he started.

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Targetpractice  Sep 1, 2016 • 5:28:08am

re: #118 I Would Prefer Not To

When’s the pivot?

He pivoted from the far-right to the alt-right.

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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 1, 2016 • 5:32:10am
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Anymouse  Sep 1, 2016 • 5:43:11am

My son lives in Jacksonville, Fla. JAX is now under a Tropical Storm Warning from soon-to-be Hurricane Hermine … I would call, but I suspect he has more important things to do (like prepare for a landside tropical storm).

Further up the coast, there are tropical storm watches to North Carolina, and a hurricane warning as it appears the site of landfall will be Apalachicola.

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harlequinade  Sep 1, 2016 • 5:43:19am

re: #115 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

I watched it season by season. It was an astoundingly audacious series: the way it gave us a perfect cyberpunk series, disguised as a weekly procedural AND asked us to think about surveillance society - in prime time, to a general audience.

Was brilliant. Will miss.

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Targetpractice  Sep 1, 2016 • 5:46:14am

re: #123 Anymouse

My son lives in Jacksonville, Fla. JAX is now under a Tropical Storm Warning from soon-to-be Hurricane Hermine … I would call, but I suspect he has more important things to do (like prepare for a landside tropical storm).

Further up the coast, there are tropical storm watches to North Carolina, and a hurricane warning as it appears the site of landfall will be Apalachicola.

They’re saying it’ll be off the coast here in VA by Saturday…right in time for Labor Day weekend. Something tells me my boss is about to start issuing a whole lot of refunds.

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Timothy Watson  Sep 1, 2016 • 5:47:55am

re: #96 Targetpractice

That’s how a lot of schools operate here in VA, start after Labor Day and done by the middle of June. And largely on the same reasoning, i.e they’re “tourist destinations” that require their child labor force for the last big hurrah of the summer season, then 80-90% of tourism-based businesses shut down for the winter months.

But more and more schools in Virginia are starting before Labor Day. Here’s a story from last year about the number of waivers:
newsleader.com

And the current status:

It hasn’t gotten to the Hampton Roads area, where most of the traditional tourist areas are, but it’s expanding. Meanwhile, Maryland is using a top-down approach to protect the poor businesses, even for areas that aren’t tourism hotspots.

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Timothy Watson  Sep 1, 2016 • 5:50:23am

re: #115 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

OT, but I’ve spent the last few weeks watching all five seasons of Person of Interest. I finished today, and now I feel somewhat bereft. It was a really good show.

I watched the final season when it aired and now have the Blu-Rays too but for some reason have been putting off watching the Blu-Rays. I think it’s because watching the Blu-Rays will mean it’s truly over for me. :(

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Targetpractice  Sep 1, 2016 • 5:51:37am

re: #126 Timothy Watson

But more and more schools in Virginia are starting before Labor Day. Here’s a story from last year about the number of waivers:
newsleader.com

And the current status:
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It hasn’t gotten to the Hampton Roads area, where most of the traditional tourist areas are, but it’s expanding. Meanwhile, Maryland is using a top-down approach to protect the poor businesses, even for areas that aren’t tourism hotspots.

I doubt they’ll ever successfully get the whole of VA starting before Labor Day weekend. It would totally disrupt the economy here in Hampton Roads, which relies upon that weekend as the last big money-making weekend before the summer season officially ends. We have Neptune Festival here in VA Beach, but even that doesn’t come close to the sort of turnout for Labor Day.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Sep 1, 2016 • 5:54:52am

re: #124 harlequinade

I watched it season by season. It was an astoundingly audacious series: the way it gave us a perfect cyberpunk series, disguised as a weekly procedural AND asked us to think about surveillance society - in prime time, to a general audience.

Was brilliant. Will miss.

Since I live in China and am largely cut off from American network TV, I missed the show entirely. Maybe I caught part of one episode while visiting family, but for whatever reason I ignored it. Then, I started hearing some buzz about it here at LGF, and decided to give it go.

I swear, it was so good I may watch the whole series again from the beginning.

It’s the kind of TV that other shows aspire to, but fall far short of the mark.

Meanwhile, I need to catch up on Dark Matter and Mr Robot.

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lawhawk  Sep 1, 2016 • 5:56:18am

re: #92 Ming5000

The GOP always states that government fails, and that they’re the answer.

No. The GOP is the reason government is failing - because they’re destroying the very institutions that provide for the general welfare and protection.

The GOP complains that government fails, but they’re controlling Congress and a majority of state legislatures and governorships. If it’s failing, it’s because GOP policies are failures. Trickle down is a failure. Tax cuts do nothing except cut revenue and the only way is a death spiral to destroying safety net programs, infrastructure spending, and education funding. We see it all over the nation - from Kansas to New Jersey.

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A Mom Anon  Sep 1, 2016 • 5:56:41am

re: #77 Anymouse

A feature, not a bug. Same thing with abortion. They don’t have any intention of repealing the laws making it legal. Yes, they will do what they can to shut down clinics through whatever means they can find, but they scaremonger with it more than anything, as a means to raise money. I know young, college educated women who still believe the line of shit about late term abortions being performed on a whim, where scissors are stuck into the baby’s neck or back while the child is cruelly murdered during delivery. They honestly have bought into the bullshit that this is the most common type of abortion. Not stopping to think that if this was true, it’s not something you’d do in a standard clinic setting without a whole lot of women dying.

This is who conservatives are and what they do. Create a problem to fight against (“war on Christmas/Christianity” anyone?) , use it to scare the everloving shit out of people, raise money off it, ignore actual real problems (and when they don’t ignore them they make it nearly impossible to fix things) and then demonize anything and anyone trying to make lives better.

I really do loathe these people. With every fiber of my being.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 1, 2016 • 6:02:43am

re: #130 lawhawk

The GOP always states that government fails, and that they’re the answer.

No. The GOP is the reason government is failing - because they’re destroying the very institutions that provide for the general welfare and protection.

The GOP complains that government fails, but they’re controlling Congress and a majority of state legislatures and governorships. If it’s failing, it’s because GOP policies are failures. Trickle down is a failure. Tax cuts do nothing except cut revenue and the only way is a death spiral to destroying safety net programs, infrastructure spending, and education funding. We see it all over the nation - from Kansas to New Jersey.

Conservatives love to claim re: spending on things like education and infrastructure that you can’t spend your way out of a problem but they sure as hell love to overspend on the military and on frivolous things like enforcing who goes to the bathroom. I believe a spin off of what P.J O’Rourke said. the GOP says the government doesn’t work and then they get elected and convince people it doesn’t. Government could be efficient but the GOP has its head up their asses.

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Anymouse  Sep 1, 2016 • 6:03:59am

re: #132 HappyWarrior

Conservatives love to claim re: spending on things like education and infrastructure that you can’t spend your way out of a problem but they sure as hell love to overspend on the military and on frivolous things like enforcing who goes to the bathroom. I believe a spin off of what P.J O’Rourke said. the GOP says the government doesn’t work and then they get elected and convince people it doesn’t. Government could be efficient but the GOP has its head up their asses.

At this point, we can hope the Cheeto Benito takes a large number of them out with him.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 1, 2016 • 6:05:24am

re: #131 A Mom Anon

I really do loathe these people. With every fiber of my being.

Guys like Ted Cruz. He is educated well enough to know better, but he knows what sort of ideology sells with his target audience.

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A Mom Anon  Sep 1, 2016 • 6:05:33am

Doing a drive by this morning Lizards. In laws are in town, helping us build the bedrooms for the daughter and grandkids. It’s almost done, drywall went up and is being finished today, doors and trim have to be put up and then it’s paint, and floors go in. Then the furnishings and other stuff. I may or may not collapse in an exhausted heap before then.

Sending hugs to those who need ‘em and asking for your good thoughts as we go through this process. Will post more next week once the mess is cleaned up and company has left.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 1, 2016 • 6:06:36am

re: #133 Anymouse

At this point, we can hope the Cheeto Benito takes a large number of them out with him.

Yep..

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Sep 1, 2016 • 6:06:41am

re: #127 Timothy Watson

I watched the final season when it aired and now have the Blu-Rays too but for some reason have been putting off watching the Blu-Rays. I think it’s because watching the Blu-Rays will mean it’s truly over for me. :(

TBH, I felt as if the final season was a bit rushed, as if the showrunners were trying to wrap it all up in 13 episodes. I liked the casual, oh by the way, introduction of another team based in DC, and the friendship between Elias and the rest of the crew.

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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 1, 2016 • 6:07:50am

Automatic Blocking Function triggered==>

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jeffreyw  Sep 1, 2016 • 6:08:44am

Imgur


Good morning!

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Sep 1, 2016 • 6:08:46am

re: #135 A Mom Anon

Doing a drive by this morning Lizards. In laws are in town, helping us build the bedrooms for the daughter and grandkids. It’s almost done, drywall went up and is being finished today, doors and trim have to be put up and then it’s paint, and floors go in. Then the furnishings and other stuff. I may or may not collapse in an exhausted heap before then.

Sending hugs to those who need ‘em and asking for your good thoughts as we go through this process. Will post more next week once the mess is cleaned up and company has left.

It sounds like you have things worked out regarding custody, etc.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 1, 2016 • 6:09:04am

re: #138 The Vicious Babushka

Automatic Blocking Function triggered==>

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In other words, I’m a conservative caricature and I think I’m offending liberals when I’m actually just another right wing asshole with a Twitter account.

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mmmirele  Sep 1, 2016 • 6:09:16am

I fell asleep early last night. (I went on vacation to the East Coast and am still trying to adjust to the three hour time change.) So I am given to understand that the short-fingered vulgarian’s latest speech here in Phoenix was worse than a dumpster fire, breezed past a large tire fire and was apparently as bad as the still-burning Centralia coal mine fire?

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HappyWarrior  Sep 1, 2016 • 6:09:42am

re: #139 jeffreyw

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Good morning!

Reminds me of Christmas morning, we always had cinnamon buns when I was a kid on Christmas day.

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Eventual Carrion  Sep 1, 2016 • 6:09:52am

re: #114 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

would be irresponsible not to speculate. we want medical records!!!

They are all positive.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 1, 2016 • 6:10:46am

Thankfully, I did manage to avoid politics when my friend visited over the past couple days. Made it clear to him that we’re not going to agree on politics and he respected that.

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Anymouse  Sep 1, 2016 • 6:12:21am

Here’s one for you Twtterati to block or mock from the Gold Star Families hashtag:

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Targetpractice  Sep 1, 2016 • 6:12:42am

re: #142 mmmirele

I fell asleep early last night. (I went on vacation to the East Coast and am still trying to adjust to the three hour time change.) So I am given to understand that the short-fingered vulgarian’s latest speech here in Phoenix was worse than a dumpster fire, breezed past a large tire fire and was apparently as bad as the still-burning Centralia coal mine fire?

Basically, the media got rolled and got rolled hard. They got sold a choreographed photo-op yesterday on the promise of the famed “pivot” happening, and then Trump showed up in Phoenix and played “Adolf’s Greatest Hits: 1933-1945.” Now they’re trying to save face by insisting that it’s all an act and Trump is just “talking tough.”

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 1, 2016 • 6:13:21am

re: #133 Anymouse

At this point, we can hope the Cheeto Benito takes a large number of them out with him.

That we can count on. A lot of DT supporters simply hate politics and politicians, regardless of their ilk, and there are a lot of Republicans who detest DT.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Sep 1, 2016 • 6:13:30am

re: #142 mmmirele

I fell asleep early last night. (I went on vacation to the East Coast and am still trying to adjust to the three hour time change.) So I am given to understand that the short-fingered vulgarian’s latest speech here in Phoenix was worse than a dumpster fire, breezed past a large tire fire and was apparently as bad as the still-burning Centralia coal mine fire?

It was everything you could imagine from Trump, and then some. It was not a policy speech, unless you consider telling the crowd immigrants are all criminals and killers and job stealers, and need to be gone, now!

My photo commentary:

Deportation, whatever you wanna call it, they’ll be gone!
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Belafon  Sep 1, 2016 • 6:14:41am

re: #116 The Vicious Babushka

WASHINGTON POST STOP THIS LAME SHIT & DO YOUR DAMN JOB

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“After cordial beginning, guest protests Lecter’s choice of kidneys and liver for dinner.”

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GlutenFreeJesus  Sep 1, 2016 • 6:15:38am

re: #146 Anymouse

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HappyWarrior  Sep 1, 2016 • 6:15:39am

re: #149 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

It was everything you could imagine from Trump, and then some. It was not a policy speech, unless you consider telling the crowd immigrants are all criminals and killers and job stealers, and need to be gone, now!

My photo commentary:

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I’m guessing he found out that the attempt to sound more “gentle” on immigration wasn’t working in the polls and he decided to give the crowd the oldies. Did he demand that Mexico pay for the wall too?

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Anymouse  Sep 1, 2016 • 6:17:28am

re: #148 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

That we can count on. A lot of DT supporters simply hate politics and politicians, regardless of their ilk, and there are a lot of Republicans who detest DT.

We can hope enough of them hate politics that they are not clear on how to vote.

I was in for Sen. Sanders when he was running (in for Sec’y Clinton now), but boy, there were a lot of Sanders supporters who had no clue how elections actually work.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 1, 2016 • 6:17:32am

re: #151 GlutenFreeJesus

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And frankly the four families who lost their loved ones at Benghazi aren’t Gold Star families. And most importantally of all, the Stevens family, you know the family of the ambassador whose corpse the right loves to hump has told them repeatedly to stop using their dead son and brother to promote Trump and trash Clinton. Oh and deport Hillary? Deport her where. Another right winger with a child’s like understanding of law.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Sep 1, 2016 • 6:17:48am

re: #152 HappyWarrior

I’m guessing he found out that the attempt to sound more “gentle” on immigration wasn’t working in the polls and he decided to give the crowd the oldies. Did he demand that Mexico pay for the wall too?

100%!!

Plus the Gulf States will pay for “safe zones” to house refugees, so they won’t need to come to the USA.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 1, 2016 • 6:18:40am

re: #155 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

100%!!

Plus the Gulf States will pay for “safe zones” to house refugees, so they won’t need to come to the USA.

Who the hell is advising him on this? This isn’t policy. This is a mad man.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Sep 1, 2016 • 6:19:39am

re: #153 Anymouse

Or government for that matter.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 1, 2016 • 6:19:43am

re: #153 Anymouse

We can hope enough of them hate politics that they are not clear on how to vote.

I was in for Sen. Sanders when he was running (in for Sec’y Clinton now), but boy, there were a lot of Sanders supporters who had no clue how elections actually work.

There were plenty of them who did not know how primaries work…

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Romantic Heretic  Sep 1, 2016 • 6:20:26am

re: #52 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

And today is the seventy seventh anniversary of the war Herr Schicklegruber started.

War - World at War opening title - Thames Television

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Anymouse  Sep 1, 2016 • 6:20:44am

re: #154 HappyWarrior

And frankly the four families who lost their loved ones at Benghazi aren’t Gold Star families. And most importantally of all, the Stevens family, you know the family of the ambassador whose corpse the right loves to hump has told them repeatedly to stop using their dead son and brother to promote Trump and trash Clinton. Oh and deport Hillary? Deport her where. Another right winger with a child’s like understanding of law.

A lot of them keep banging the drum that those killed in Benghazi are Gold Star Families. They don’t understand how that actually works (or don’t care as long as they can bash Hillary Clinton). They also don’t seem to remember the huge number of people killed or maimed at embassies under Geo. W. Bush.

The fact remains that embassy duty has always been dangerous. An embassy cannot protect itself from a concerted attack even by a civilian mob.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Sep 1, 2016 • 6:21:00am

re: #156 HappyWarrior

Who the hell is advising him on this? This isn’t policy. This is a mad man.

Let me put it this way, it could have been parody if it had been on a comedy show like SNL, and been funny in a scary way.

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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 1, 2016 • 6:22:11am
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HappyWarrior  Sep 1, 2016 • 6:23:21am

re: #160 Anymouse

A lot of them keep banging the drum that those killed in Benghazi are Gold Star Families. They don’t understand how that actually works (or don’t care as long as they can bash Hillary Clinton). They also don’t seem to remember the huge number of people killed or maimed at embassies under Geo. W. Bush.

The fact remains that embassy duty has always been dangerous. An embassy cannot protect itself from a concerted attack even by a civilian mob.

When I planned to take the foreign service officer test, they reminded us that embassies and consulates can be dangerous place. The narrative the right has wanted to put on Benghazi is that it was somehow unique. Now what did make Benghazi unique is that we did lose an ambassador but we did lose more people to embassy and consulate attacks in the Bush years and that’s something the Republicans and the Benghazi assholes on Twitters either don’t care about or don’t know.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 1, 2016 • 6:24:16am

re: #162 The Vicious Babushka

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Obama gave me only one free Obamaphone but I got coupons for tofu.

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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 1, 2016 • 6:26:40am

There is no freaking way Trump is not jacked up on speed although he was on downers in Mexico.

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Anymouse  Sep 1, 2016 • 6:26:40am

re: #163 HappyWarrior

When I planned to take the foreign service officer test, they reminded us that embassies and consulates can be dangerous place. The narrative the right has wanted to put on Benghazi is that it was somehow unique. Now what did make Benghazi unique is that we did lose an ambassador but we did lose more people to embassy and consulate attacks in the Bush years and that’s something the Republicans and the Benghazi assholes on Twitters either don’t care about or don’t know.

We lost an ambassador under Geo. W. Bush as well.

List of all embassy attacks under President Bush:

January 22, 2002. Calcutta, India. Gunmen associated with Harkat-ul-Jihad al-Islami attack the U.S. Consulate. Five people are killed.

June 14, 2002. Karachi, Pakistan. Suicide bomber connected with al Qaeda attacks the U.S. Consulate, killing 12 and injuring 51.

October 12, 2002. Denpasar, Indonesia. U.S. diplomatic offices bombed as part of a string of “Bali Bombings.” No fatalities.

February 28, 2003. Islamabad, Pakistan. Several gunmen fire upon the U.S. Embassy. Two people are killed.

May 12, 2003. Riyadh, Saudi Arabia. Armed al Qaeda terrorists storm the diplomatic compound, killing 36 people including nine Americans. The assailants committed suicide by detonating a truck bomb.

July 30, 2004. Tashkent, Uzbekistan. A suicide bomber from the Islamic Movement of Uzbekistan attacks the U.S. Embassy, killing two people.

December 6, 2004. Jeddah, Saudi Arabia. Al Qaeda terrorists storm the U.S. Consulate and occupy the perimeter wall. Nine people are killed.

March 2, 2006. Karachi, Pakistan again. Suicide bomber attacks the U.S. Consulate killing four people, including U.S. diplomat David Foy who was directly targeted by the attackers. (I wonder if Lindsey Graham or Fox News would even recognize the name “David Foy.” This is the third Karachi terrorist attack in four years on what’s considered American soil.)

September 12, 2006. Damascus, Syria. Four armed gunmen shouting “Allahu akbar” storm the U.S. Embassy using grenades, automatic weapons, a car bomb and a truck bomb. Four people are killed, 13 are wounded.

January 12, 2007. Athens, Greece. Members of a Greek terrorist group called the Revolutionary Struggle fire a rocket-propelled grenade at the U.S. Embassy. No fatalities.

March 18, 2008. Sana’a, Yemen. Members of the al-Qaeda-linked Islamic Jihad of Yemen fire a mortar at the U.S. Embassy. The shot misses the embassy, but hits nearby school killing two.

July 9, 2008. Istanbul, Turkey. Four armed terrorists attack the U.S. Consulate. Six people are killed.

September 17, 2008. Sana’a, Yemen. Terrorists dressed as military officials attack the U.S. Embassy with an arsenal of weapons including RPGs and detonate two car bombs. Sixteen people are killed, including an American student and her husband (they had been married for three weeks when the attack occurred). This is the second attack on this embassy in seven months.

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dangerman  Sep 1, 2016 • 6:27:46am

re: #163 HappyWarrior

When I planned to take the foreign service officer test, they reminded us that embassies and consulates can be dangerous place. The narrative the right has wanted to put on Benghazi is that it was somehow unique. Now what did make Benghazi unique is that we did lose an ambassador but we did lose more people to embassy and consulate attacks in the Bush years and that’s something the Republicans and the Benghazi assholes on Twitters either don’t care about or don’t know.

if hillary was secretary of housing and urban development theyd still make benghazi her fault

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Decatur Deb  Sep 1, 2016 • 6:27:48am

Finished mowing the grass by 0800, with apoplogies to the neighbors. We’re going to be on the wet side of Hermine, but only expecting TS winds. It did wipe out our Tom Kaine rally, and might submerge the Panama City fish joint we were planning to scarf.

And the Trump goes on…

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 1, 2016 • 6:29:03am

re: #166 Anymouse

List of all embassy attacks under President Bush:

But these were not caused by the failure of a President and Secretary of State to use the words “Radical Islamic Terrorism”!!!

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dangerman  Sep 1, 2016 • 6:29:42am

re: #160 Anymouse

A lot of them keep banging the drum that those killed in Benghazi are Gold Star Families. They don’t understand how that actually works (or don’t care as long as they can bash Hillary Clinton). They also don’t seem to remember the huge number of people killed or maimed at embassies under Geo. W. Bush.

The fact remains that embassy duty has always been dangerous. An embassy cannot protect itself from a concerted attack even by a civilian mob.

see: Iran

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Anymouse  Sep 1, 2016 • 6:29:43am
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HappyWarrior  Sep 1, 2016 • 6:29:53am

re: #166 Anymouse

We lost an ambassador under Geo. W. Bush as well.

List of all embassy attacks under President Bush:

January 22, 2002. Calcutta, India. Gunmen associated with Harkat-ul-Jihad al-Islami attack the U.S. Consulate. Five people are killed.

June 14, 2002. Karachi, Pakistan. Suicide bomber connected with al Qaeda attacks the U.S. Consulate, killing 12 and injuring 51.

October 12, 2002. Denpasar, Indonesia. U.S. diplomatic offices bombed as part of a string of “Bali Bombings.” No fatalities.

February 28, 2003. Islamabad, Pakistan. Several gunmen fire upon the U.S. Embassy. Two people are killed.

May 12, 2003. Riyadh, Saudi Arabia. Armed al Qaeda terrorists storm the diplomatic compound, killing 36 people including nine Americans. The assailants committed suicide by detonating a truck bomb.

July 30, 2004. Tashkent, Uzbekistan. A suicide bomber from the Islamic Movement of Uzbekistan attacks the U.S. Embassy, killing two people.

December 6, 2004. Jeddah, Saudi Arabia. Al Qaeda terrorists storm the U.S. Consulate and occupy the perimeter wall. Nine people are killed.

March 2, 2006. Karachi, Pakistan again. Suicide bomber attacks the U.S. Consulate killing four people, including U.S. diplomat David Foy who was directly targeted by the attackers. (I wonder if Lindsey Graham or Fox News would even recognize the name “David Foy.” This is the third Karachi terrorist attack in four years on what’s considered American soil.)

September 12, 2006. Damascus, Syria. Four armed gunmen shouting “Allahu akbar” storm the U.S. Embassy using grenades, automatic weapons, a car bomb and a truck bomb. Four people are killed, 13 are wounded.

January 12, 2007. Athens, Greece. Members of a Greek terrorist group called the Revolutionary Struggle fire a rocket-propelled grenade at the U.S. Embassy. No fatalities.
Oh my bad, I thought we didn’t but still those are all attacks that happened in the Bush years and none of them got a single Congressional investigation or demands that Bush/Rice/Powell be imprisoned for them.
March 18, 2008. Sana’a, Yemen. Members of the al-Qaeda-linked Islamic Jihad of Yemen fire a mortar at the U.S. Embassy. The shot misses the embassy, but hits nearby school killing two.

July 9, 2008. Istanbul, Turkey. Four armed terrorists attack the U.S. Consulate. Six people are killed.

September 17, 2008. Sana’a, Yemen. Terrorists dressed as military officials attack the U.S. Embassy with an arsenal of weapons including RPGs and detonate two car bombs. Sixteen people are killed, including an American student and her husband (they had been married for three weeks when the attack occurred). This is the second attack on this embassy in seven months.

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darthstar  Sep 1, 2016 • 6:30:37am

I couldn’t watch Trump’s speech - didn’t want to, actually. My wife and I sat in the front room and talked while the TV was on in the other room with his speech as background noise. Every now and then something he said would carry into the room and we’d look at each other and say, “Did he really fucking say that?”

Then the tent revival part of the show came at the end of his speech. “Hi, I’m brown and my dad came to the US legally and I’m for Trump.”(The first person to get up got me to say to my wife, “That sounds like a random person from the crowd”)…then “My son was killed by an illegal and I’m for Trump.” “I’m just a garden variety bigot and I’m for Trump.”…it sounded like people were coming up from the audience to accept Trump as their personal lord and savior.

That was when I realized just how dangerous his speech was…and of course it was long - over an hour. And the reason his speeches are so long is he wants people to watch him but not stick around for the after-show analysis…which I admit I didn’t do either.

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Romantic Heretic  Sep 1, 2016 • 6:32:06am

re: #81 Anymouse

I’m with Heinlein on the matter of IDs.

If a country requires you to carry a method of identification at all times, get out of there. You might save yourself but there’s no saving that country.

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Anymouse  Sep 1, 2016 • 6:33:27am

re: #173 darthstar

I couldn’t watch Trump’s speech - didn’t want to, actually. My wife and I sat in the front room and talked while the TV was on in the other room with his speech as background noise. Every now and then something he said would carry into the room and we’d look at each other and say, “Did he really fucking say that?”

Then the tent revival part of the show came at the end of his speech. “Hi, I’m brown and my dad came to the US legally and I’m for Trump.”(The first person to get up got me to say to my wife, “That sounds like a random person from the crowd”)…then “My son was killed by an illegal and I’m for Trump.” “I’m just a garden variety bigot and I’m for Trump.”…it sounded like people were coming up from the audience to accept Trump as their personal lord and savior.

That was when I realized just how dangerous his speech was…and of course it was long - over an hour. And the reason his speeches are so long is he wants people to watch him but not stick around for the after-show analysis…which I admit I didn’t do either.

Summary of his speech:

huffingtonpost.com

They weren’t impressed either.

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lawhawk  Sep 1, 2016 • 6:34:43am

Doesn’t sound good:

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makeitstop  Sep 1, 2016 • 6:34:56am

re: #156 HappyWarrior

Who the hell is advising him on this? This isn’t policy. This is a mad man.

Bannon, with Conway providing what little sugar coating there is.

And Ailes is providing cover with the events to make him look ‘moderate.’ The two sides are working at odds to one another, and they’re obviously hoping that they can continue doing so and people won’t notice.

It’s a long-shot strategy, but his polling is so bad that they have no other option.

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Belafon  Sep 1, 2016 • 6:35:02am

re: #174 Romantic Heretic

I’m with Heinlein on the matter of IDs.

Heinlein’s country wasn’t very complicated. On the other hand, ours is in the real world. An ID would help with things like voting. And anyway, most of us already have an ID, our drivers license. The only thing we’re really missing is the federal government saying everyone should have an ID and they’ll be free.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 1, 2016 • 6:35:42am

re: #174 Romantic Heretic

I’m with Heinlein on the matter of IDs.

If a country requires you to carry a method of identification at all times, get out of there. You might save yourself but there’s no saving that country.

It is a fine, but outdated notion. We no longer live in communities where nobody is anonymous and interact only with people whose reputations are known to us.

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dangerman  Sep 1, 2016 • 6:35:55am

re: #174 Romantic Heretic

i fear they havent thought this through because i dont see it as ID’s for all. it’s gonna be IDs for “them”.

its why arpaio is in contempt

this is stars on your clothing territory

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lawhawk  Sep 1, 2016 • 6:37:28am

More media mendacity - and pure unadulterated BS:

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dangerman  Sep 1, 2016 • 6:38:25am

re: #179 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

If a country requires you to carry a method of identification at all times, get out of there. You might save yourself but there’s no saving that country.

It is a fine, but outdated notion. We no longer live in communities where nobody is anonymous and interact only with people whose reputations are known to us.

its not just having an id thats at issue
its the being required to carry and produce it

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Anymouse  Sep 1, 2016 • 6:38:40am

re: #178 Belafon

Heinlein’s country wasn’t very complicated. On the other hand, ours is in the real world. An ID would help with things like voting. And anyway, most of us already have an ID, our drivers license. The only thing we’re really missing is the federal government saying everyone should have an ID and they’ll be free.

And a great number of us don’t. Consider my own little group of disabled people, those with epilepsy. Only a small portion of us can get drivers licenses.

Or someone like my mother, who has not had one in many years, because she lives in Chicago and doesn’t need one.

An ID does no such thing as “help with voting.” I already have an ID for that, a voter registration card. And ID does nothing for our all mail system here in Nebraska. (Gee, on voter ID, conservatives only want to impose that in states where elections are close. I wonder why that is?)

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Great White Snark  Sep 1, 2016 • 6:39:00am

Flying rockets is a dangerous business.

CAPE CANAVERAL, Fla. (AP) — An explosion has rocked the SpaceX launch site in Florida.

NASA says SpaceX was conducting a test firing of its unmanned rocket when the blast occurred Thursday morning. The test, considered routine, was in advance of a planned Saturday launch from Cape Canaveral Air Force Station.

Buildings several miles away shook from the blast, and multiple explosions continued for several minutes. A cloud of dark smoke filled the overcast sky.

Additional details were not immediately available. But sirens could be heard in the aftermath.

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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 1, 2016 • 6:39:05am

Butthurt Berniebro Jillshill wingbro dudenut in my mentions==>
It’s remarkable how quickly they pick up every wingnut meme. The Circle of Derp.

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Decatur Deb  Sep 1, 2016 • 6:39:56am

re: #179 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

re: #183 Anymouse

In less than a generation technology is going to make the ID question moot.

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Anymouse  Sep 1, 2016 • 6:40:31am

re: #185 The Vicious Babushka

Like Jill Stein and her Holocaust denying VP candidate, who went to Moscow to hang out with Russian leaders and oligarchs and put it on her own freakin’ campaign Website?

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nines09  Sep 1, 2016 • 6:41:05am

re: #181 lawhawk

Media? Where? Journalists? Who? What a sad sorry time in American Press. You watch the nightly news and it’s like watching goldfish. Cable is full of Trump ass kissing, and the wire services are stooges. Very dark days for a so called free press.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 1, 2016 • 6:42:04am

re: #182 dangerman

its not just having an id thats at issue
its the being required to carry and produce it

I see your point there, and kind of overlooked that clause: if you must carry it at all times and produce it on demand, then yes, that is wrong.

But being asked to identify yourself in order to vote, open a bank account, apply for social services, etc., is fully in line with the spirit of maintaining the common welfare.

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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 1, 2016 • 6:42:20am

re: #187 Anymouse

Like Jill Stein and her Holocaust denying VP candidate, who went to Moscow to hang out with Russian leaders and oligarchs and put it on her own freakin’ campaign Website?

Jill Stein has exactly 0 chance of winning the election, so every vote for her is just a butthurt coward vote for Trump.

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Belafon  Sep 1, 2016 • 6:42:51am

re: #183 Anymouse

And a great number of us don’t. Consider my own little group of disabled people, those with epilepsy. Only a small portion of us can get drivers licenses.

Or someone like my mother, who has not had one in many years, because she lives in Chicago and doesn’t need one.

An ID does no such thing as “help with voting.” I already have an ID for that, a voter registration card. And ID does nothing for our all mail system here in Nebraska. (Gee, on voter ID, conservatives only want to impose that in states where elections are close. I wonder why that is?)

A drivers license is a form of ID, an ID is not a drivers license. My son has an ID that is not a drivers license; he had to get it to open a bank account. And that’s my point, we already require identification to do a lot of things. The only thing missing is standardizing.

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Anymouse  Sep 1, 2016 • 6:43:16am

re: #188 nines09

Media? Where? Journalists? Who? What a sad sorry time in American Press. You watch the nightly news and it’s like watching goldfish. Cable is full of Trump ass kissing, and the wire services are stooges. Very dark days for a so called free press.

If the press wants to sell a horserace to gain advertising revenue, perhaps selling whilst standing on the track in front of the racing horses is not the best idea… .

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 1, 2016 • 6:43:30am

re: #186 Decatur Deb

In less than a generation technology is going to make the ID question moot.

Just as it was irrelevant in 1787

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A wild WITHAK appeared!  Sep 1, 2016 • 6:44:33am

re: #185 The Vicious Babushka

Butthurt Berniebro Jillshill wingbro dudenut in my mentions==>
It’s remarkable how quickly they pick up every wingnut meme. The Circle of Derp.

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I like how “cunning” is used as an insult here. That’s creative.

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FormerDirtDart  Sep 1, 2016 • 6:44:51am

re: #184 Great White Snark

Flying rockets is a dangerous business.

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William Lewis  Sep 1, 2016 • 6:47:02am

re: #174 Romantic Heretic

I’m with Heinlein on the matter of IDs.

Almost every American has had some form of ID since, depending on how you consider it, SS or Driver’s Licensing came into play. Even when he said that, ol’ Bob was in one of his crotchety reactionary moments. This was the same fellow who, in 1959, suggested that only those who had done national service (military or otherwise) could be full citizens. Pray tell me how you’ll know who is who without an ID?

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Anymouse  Sep 1, 2016 • 6:47:06am

re: #191 Belafon

A drivers license is a form of ID, an ID is not a drivers license. My son has an ID that is not a drivers license; he had to get it to open a bank account. And that’s my point, we already require identification to do a lot of things. The only thing missing is standardizing.

I opened a bank account with no ID. I do not use ID for anything. As I noted above, the last time I was required to use an ID was my passport entering Michigan from Ontario last month. The time before was entering Saskatchewan from Montana in July. Before that, a few months ago a military ID to enter an Air Force base in Wyoming.

I don’t need ID to write a cheque. I don’t need ID to withdraw money from my bank. I don’t need it to buy cigarettes or alcohol; I didn’t need it to buy a freakin’ car, or ammunition or a gun in my town.

And, I don’t need one to vote. Overwhelmingly red state. We don’t have any of the nonsense voter ID laws that closely battled states are trying to impose. Our voting laws are much like Oregon’s. I wonder why that is?

Couldn’t be they only need voter ID in states where liberal candidates might win.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 1, 2016 • 6:48:20am

re: #190 The Vicious Babushka

Jill Stein has exactly 0 chance of winning the election, so every vote for her is just a butthurt coward vote for Trump.

She’s not even on the ballot in all 50 states for crying out loud. I mean even if one is sympathetic to Stein’s far lefty message, shouldn’t one expect their candidate to be competent enough to get on the ballot of all 50 states? Stein is an as big a joke as Trump is.

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A wild WITHAK appeared!  Sep 1, 2016 • 6:49:59am

re: #197 Anymouse

I opened a bank account with no ID. I do not use ID for anything. As I noted above, the last time I was required to use an ID was my passport entering Michigan from Ontario last month. The time before was entering Saskatchewan from Montana in July. Before that, a few months ago a military ID to enter an Air Force base in Wyoming.

I don’t need ID to write a cheque. I don’t need ID to withdraw money from my bank. I don’t need it to buy cigarettes or alcohol; I didn’t need it to buy a freakin’ car.

And, I don’t need one to vote. Overwhelmingly red state. We don’t have any of the nonsense voter ID laws that closely battled states are trying to impose. Our voting laws are much like Oregon’s. I wonder why that is?

Couldn’t be they only need voter ID in states where liberal candidates might win.

The only reason I carry my license, outside of needing it for actual driving, is so I can purchase beer on the odd chance I’ll be carded. Don’t need it to vote, and I live in a blue state that (thankfully) rejected the voter ID nonsense awhile back.

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dangerman  Sep 1, 2016 • 6:50:06am

re: #196 William Lewis

Almost every American has had some form of ID since, depending on how you consider it, SS or Driver’s Licensing came into play. Even when he said that, ol’ Bob was in one of his crotchety reactionary moments. This was the same fellow who, in 1959, suggested that only those who had done national service (military or otherwise) could be full citizens. Pray tell me how you’ll know who is who without an ID?

ill repeat what i said below:

its not just having an id thats at issue
or its use in certain situations to (constitutionally) verify identity

its the being required to carry it at all times so it can be produce on demand in situations where right now no id is required. ie walking on the street

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William Lewis  Sep 1, 2016 • 6:50:20am

re: #197 Anymouse

I opened a bank account with no ID.

Since 9/11? Then they broke federal law. Probably because they knew you but still they’re legally guilty of a federal felony offence.

This can be good or bad, depending on your point of view but it remains the law either way.

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Decatur Deb  Sep 1, 2016 • 6:50:29am

NPR just described Trump’s Mexico/Phoenix adventure as “Magical Realism”.

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Belafon  Sep 1, 2016 • 6:50:33am

re: #197 Anymouse

I opened a bank account with no ID.

I don’t know when you opened it, but after 9/11, the laws were changed, and you are required to have an ID to open a bank account.

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dangerman  Sep 1, 2016 • 6:50:38am

re: #195 FormerDirtDart

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apparently testing them is more dangerous ;-)

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nines09  Sep 1, 2016 • 6:50:45am

re: #192 Anymouse

I’m all out of witty things to say about the entire package. If I wished to be ill or un informed or outright lied to, I could go to a vast network of right wing sewage. Considering that most people get their info from TV and print, there is no source of critical thinking. Even MSNBC is doing a crap job. It’s disheartening.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 1, 2016 • 6:52:48am

re: #196 William Lewis

Almost every American has had some form of ID since, depending on how you consider it, SS or Driver’s Licensing came into play. Even when he said that, ol’ Bob was in one of his crotchety reactionary moments. This was the same fellow who, in 1959, suggested that only those who had done national service (military or otherwise) could be full citizens. Pray tell me how you’ll know who is who without an ID?

He did not suggest that. Please. Starship Troopers is not a political manifesto. He was describing human society after World War III.

This war did not end with a treaty, it ended because the warring nations collapsed, leaving millions of soldiers and POWs stranded wherever they were.

In the ensuing chaos, it was groups of veterans who restored order and instituted some form of public service as a condition of citizenship.

The novel is a discussion on the balance between rights and responsibilities.

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Anymouse  Sep 1, 2016 • 6:53:34am

re: #201 William Lewis

Since 9/11? Then they broke federal law. Probably because they knew you but still they’re legally guilty of a federal felony offence.

This can be good or bad, depending on your point of view but it remains the law either way.

The best form of identification is personal recognition.

The U.S. Patriot Act makes a customer identity program, or CIP, mandatory for all U.S. financial institutions as a terrorism deterrent. Section 326 of this law allows them to set their own criteria for verifying a new account holder’s identity, provided they gather at least four key types of information: Name, address, date of birth and taxpayer identification number.

ehow.com

They got the information, setting their own criteria (they knew me).

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Belafon  Sep 1, 2016 • 6:54:02am

re: #197 Anymouse

Couldn’t be they only need voter ID in states where liberal candidates might win.

Texas has been pretty proactive on that. It’ll be a while before the state goes blue but they’ve already put voter ID in place. The flip side is, though, I don’t need a voter registration card any more.

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darthstar  Sep 1, 2016 • 6:54:04am
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Belafon  Sep 1, 2016 • 6:55:22am

re: #207 Anymouse

The best form of identification is personal recognition.

ehow.com

They got the information, setting their own criteria (they knew me).

Yeah, that’s not going to work in the DFW area, with 6.5M people.

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lawhawk  Sep 1, 2016 • 6:55:23am

re: #209 darthstar

90% of those are the WTF did Trump really say? He really meant that? Is Trump insane? Etc.

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Decatur Deb  Sep 1, 2016 • 6:55:58am

re: #209 darthstar

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I probably Google Trump 25 times more often than HRC. Maybe I’m a fan and don’t know it.

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Anymouse  Sep 1, 2016 • 6:56:14am

re: #208 Belafon

Texas has been pretty proactive on that. It’ll be a while before the state goes blue but they’ve already put voter ID in place. The flip side is, though, I don’t need a voter registration card any more.

A concealed carry permit in Texas issued by the state is good, a student ID issued by the state is not. Funny how that works, almost as if those who would more likely support liberal candidates ID is no good.

And women? Drivers licences have maiden names for married women, which do not match birth certificates. Texas prevented a bloody judge from voting a couple years ago over that.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 1, 2016 • 6:56:59am

re: #207 Anymouse

The best form of identification is personal recognition.

And that worked fine when most people lived in small communities and rarely traveled more than 100 miles away from it in their lifetime.

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Anymouse  Sep 1, 2016 • 6:57:15am

re: #210 Belafon

Yeah, that’s not going to work in the DFW area, with 6.5M people.

But it’s still legal. A cardboard square with my picture on it is not required to open a bank account.

It is not even required in Dallas-Fort Worth if the tellers or banker knows the person.

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Dr Lizardo  Sep 1, 2016 • 6:57:30am

re: #211 lawhawk

90% of those are the WTF did Trump really say? He really meant that? Is Trump insane? Etc.

It’s like a student of mine put it; “I can’t stop watching Trump - it’s like if I saw a plane falling from the sky on fire. Of course I’d watch until it exploded in flames when it hit the ground. It would be horrifying - but I’d watch all the same.”

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HappyWarrior  Sep 1, 2016 • 6:57:51am

re: #216 Dr Lizardo

It’s like a student of mine put it; “I can’t stop watching Trump - it’s like if I saw a plane falling from the sky on fire. Of course I’d watch until it exploded in flames when it hit the ground. It would be horrifying - but I’d watch all the same.”

The Trainwreck effect.

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FormerDirtDart  Sep 1, 2016 • 6:58:23am

I watched the clip so you don’t have to…
It’s one minute and nineteen seconds of billowing smoke…

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Sep 1, 2016 • 6:58:42am

re: #203 Belafon

I don’t know when you opened it, but after 9/11, the laws were changed, and you are required to have an ID to open a bank account.

It’s required even when you open an account with an Internet bank, plus some verification of your home address, like a utility bill. All part of the Know Your Customer (KYC) regulations promulgated by the PATRIOT Act. They went into effect in 2003.

en.wikipedia.org

Many foreign banks have similar requirements now, especially for American customers.
en.wikipedia.org

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Dr Lizardo  Sep 1, 2016 • 6:58:47am

re: #217 HappyWarrior

The Trainwreck effect.

Exactly.

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Belafon  Sep 1, 2016 • 6:59:10am

With the way the media is doing “all news is good news” for Trump, you would think one of them would say “At least Benghazi and Emailgate is keeping Clinton in the news.”

I take serious solace in the fact that Romney got way more press than Obama in 2012. Luckily, there are plenty of adults in this country.

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FormerDirtDart  Sep 1, 2016 • 6:59:36am

re: #213 Anymouse

A concealed carry permit in Texas issued by the state is good, a student ID issued by the state is not. Funny how that works, almost as if those who would more likely support liberal candidates ID is no good.

And women? Drivers licences have maiden names for married women, which do not match birth certificates. Texas prevented a bloody judge from voting a couple years ago over that.

If a concealed carry permit is good, why isn’t someones voter registration card?

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dangerman  Sep 1, 2016 • 7:00:11am

re: #221 Belafon

With the way the media is doing “all news is good news” for Trump, you would think one of them would say “At least Benghazi and Emailgate is keeping Clinton in the news.”

I take serious solace in the fact that Romney got way more press than Obama in 2012. Luckily, there are plenty of adults in this country.

im counting on this

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HappyWarrior  Sep 1, 2016 • 7:00:51am

re: #222 FormerDirtDart

If a concealed carry permit is good, why isn’t someones voter registration card?

What I didn’t get is how the CCP was okay to many Republicans but a student ID card wasn’t. And remember a college ID is always a photo ID these day and to boot technically a government issued ID.

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Targetpractice  Sep 1, 2016 • 7:01:09am

re: #221 Belafon

With the way the media is doing “all news is good news” for Trump, you would think one of them would say “At least Benghazi and Emailgate is keeping Clinton in the news.”

I take serious solace in the fact that Romney got way more press than Obama in 2012. Luckily, there are plenty of adults in this country.

Trump has dominated the news for months, and yet he’s never held the lead.

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darthstar  Sep 1, 2016 • 7:01:24am

re: #211 lawhawk

90% of those are the WTF did Trump really say? He really meant that? Is Trump insane? Etc.

Probably. But all I see in my TL on twitter is Trump, Trump, Trump, or Clinton compared to Trump. or Clinton being wrongly compared to Trump. But always in the context of Trump. Even the stories about her debate prep - how she’s going to attack Trump, what psychologists are saying she should do, etc. while he isn’t preparing at all because he knows how to talk about Trump. But it’s about Trump.

I did expect the number of results to be a lot closer than that though…160 million is a pretty wide margin.

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Belafon  Sep 1, 2016 • 7:01:27am

re: #222 FormerDirtDart

If a concealed carry permit is good, why isn’t someones voter registration card?

Conservatives are the largest holders of CHLs. I didn’t say the law was fair, I just said Texas was being proactive.

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dangerman  Sep 1, 2016 • 7:01:30am

re: #222 FormerDirtDart

If a concealed carry permit is good, why isn’t someones voter registration card?

obviously because you can lie or buy fake id to get a voters card but it’s impossible to do that to get a c/c permit

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HappyWarrior  Sep 1, 2016 • 7:01:37am

What I’m counting on is that Trump has alienated so many key groups that he has a lot of digging out to whether it’s with women, African-Americans, Hispanics, etc.

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Anymouse  Sep 1, 2016 • 7:01:40am

re: #219 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

It’s required even when you open an account with an Internet bank, plus some verification of your home address, like a utility bill. All part of the Know Your Customer (KYC) regulations promulgated by the PATRIOT Act. They went into effect in 2003.

en.wikipedia.org

Many foreign banks have similar requirements now, especially for American customers.
en.wikipedia.org

Strange, the Louisiana company that is my telephone company in Nebraska didn’t require I send photocopies of documentation to get a telephone, neither did our electric cooperative. They just wanted cheques (also without ID; as long as they were good so were the companies).

It’s almost as if they can set their own criteria, as the law also says.

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dangerman  Sep 1, 2016 • 7:02:17am

re: #228 dangerman

obviously because you can lie or buy fake id to get a voters card but it’s impossible to do that to get a c/c permit

sorry- left off the big /s

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Anymouse  Sep 1, 2016 • 7:02:28am

re: #224 HappyWarrior

What I didn’t get is how the CCP was okay to many Republicans but a student ID card wasn’t. And remember a college ID is always a photo ID these day and to boot technically a government issued ID.

Because a person with a CCP is more likely to vote for conservatives, with student ID not so much.

The laws are not about “securing the vote.”

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HappyWarrior  Sep 1, 2016 • 7:02:41am

re: #226 darthstar

Probably. But all I see in my TL on twitter is Trump, Trump, Trump, or Clinton compared to Trump. or Clinton being wrongly compared to Trump. But always in the context of Trump. Even the stories about her debate prep - how she’s going to attack Trump, what psychologists are saying she should do, etc. while he isn’t preparing at all because he knows how to talk about Trump. But it’s about Trump.

I did expect the number of results to be a lot closer than that though…160 million is a pretty wide margin.

It’s Twitter. Twitter and networks like that are always going to favor the more sensationalized candidate. Meanwhile Clinton released a very detailed position paper on mental health. The WaPo to its credit mentioned and praised it in its editorial section today.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 1, 2016 • 7:03:06am

re: #232 Anymouse

Because a person with a CCP is more likely to vote for conservatives, with student ID not so much.

Yep fuckers.

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Belafon  Sep 1, 2016 • 7:03:15am

re: #230 Anymouse

Strange, the Louisiana company that is my telephone company in Nebraska didn’t require I send photocopies of documentation to get a telephone, neither did our electric cooperative. They just wanted cheques (also without ID; as long as they were good so were the companies).

It’s almost as if they can set their own criteria, as the law also says.

He didn’t quite explain it well. In order to set up an online bank account, you’re required to provide proof of residency, which includes something like a utility bill.

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darthstar  Sep 1, 2016 • 7:03:15am

7am. Time to walk the dog and get off to work.

Play nice, everyone. I’ll pop in later to share in the enthusiasm for the other candidate in the race.

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dangerman  Sep 1, 2016 • 7:03:28am

re: #226 darthstar

Probably. But all I see in my TL on twitter is Trump, Trump, Trump, or Clinton compared to Trump. or Clinton being wrongly compared to Trump. But always in the context of Trump. Even the stories about her debate prep - how she’s going to attack Trump, what psychologists are saying she should do, etc. while he isn’t preparing at all because he knows how to talk about Trump. But it’s about Trump.

I did expect the number of results to be a lot closer than that though…160 million is a pretty wide margin.

how many times they are googled is not an indication of anything relevant

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Sep 1, 2016 • 7:03:55am

re: #222 FormerDirtDart

If a concealed carry permit is good, why isn’t someones voter registration card?

While I was traveling in July, a man ahead of me in the TSA line had neglected to bring his ID (driver’s license, I think) with him. They pulled him aside, and he pulled out every other kind of ID he had: car insurance card, SS card, credit cards. I’m not sure if they let him past security, but he seemed pretty harmless — a somewhat befuddled middle aged fellow.

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Anymouse  Sep 1, 2016 • 7:04:37am

re: #235 Belafon

He didn’t quite explain it well. In order to set up an online bank account, you’re required to provide proof of residency, which includes something like a utility bill.

I use a real bank.

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darthstar  Sep 1, 2016 • 7:04:49am

re: #233 HappyWarrior

It’s Twitter. Twitter and networks like that are always going to favor the more sensationalized candidate. Meanwhile Clinton released a very detailed position paper on mental health. The WaPo to its credit mentioned and praised it in its editorial section today.

That’s good to hear.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Sep 1, 2016 • 7:05:13am

re: #230 Anymouse

Strange, the Louisiana company that is my telephone company in Nebraska didn’t require I send photocopies of documentation to get a telephone, neither did our electric cooperative. They just wanted cheques (also without ID; as long as they were good so were the companies).

It’s almost as if they can set their own criteria, as the law also says.

KYC only applies to financial institutions.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 1, 2016 • 7:05:58am

re: #232 Anymouse

Because a person with a CCP is more likely to vote for conservatives, with student ID not so much.

The laws are not about “securing the vote.”

argument is that student could be from out of state and also registered to vote there

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Anymouse  Sep 1, 2016 • 7:06:06am

re: #241 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

KYC only applies to financial institutions.

My bank is a financial institution. They may set their own criteria for identification, as the law also says.

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Anymouse  Sep 1, 2016 • 7:06:41am

re: #242 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

argument is that student could be from out of state and also registered to vote there

Students may vote in the place where they go to school, long settled by the Supreme Court.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Sep 1, 2016 • 7:07:22am

re: #243 Anymouse

My bank is a financial institution. They may set their own criteria for identification, as the law also says.

Yes. I was not contradicting you.

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dangerman  Sep 1, 2016 • 7:07:38am

re: #242 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

argument is that student could be from out of state and also registered to vote there

anyone (more or less) could be registered in more than one place

the student id “identifies” you - it doesnt ensure your right to vote - you still have to be registered in the state, swear to the oath, follow the rules, etc

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 1, 2016 • 7:07:40am

re: #244 Anymouse

Students may vote in the place where they go to school, long settled by the Supreme Court.

not saying it was a valid argument…

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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 1, 2016 • 7:08:57am
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dangerman  Sep 1, 2016 • 7:09:30am

im off to carpe some diem

enjoy your walk on the path today

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HappyWarrior  Sep 1, 2016 • 7:09:56am

re: #242 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

argument is that student could be from out of state and also registered to vote there

Well the argument is about using a student ID. Honestly, it’s a GOP tactic from suppressing the vote for a demographic they know is unfavoralbe to them. I’ve seen it myself when the local GOP opposed allowing a precinct on campus even though the previous precinct was 10 minutes driving away and none of the Freshmen are allowed to have cars.

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Anymouse  Sep 1, 2016 • 7:11:19am

It’s almost as if red states really don’t care about their voter rolls:

When I moved to Nebraska from Oklahoma, I registered here. That did not remove me from the voter rolls in Oklahoma.

I contacted the Kay County elections clerk; she told me that to remove myself from the voter rolls, I had to get a witnessed, notary stamped letter, and then send it and my Oklahoma voter registration card in.

I did that, which cost me money for the notary. I did not want my vote nullified in Nebraska because someone said “You’re registered in two states”

In closely fought states though (like Florida or North Carolina), it seems pretty easy to just throw people off the rolls without any checks whatsoever.

When my wife lived in Colorado, the wingnuts in Colorado Springs kept changing her party from Libertarian to Republican. Every election. Claimed every time it was a computer error.

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Belafon  Sep 1, 2016 • 7:11:51am

re: #239 Anymouse

I use a real bank.

What’s a real bank? Seriously. Mine’s in a Walmart. It has Saturday and Sunday hours.

I love your small town shtick, but I live in a 6.5M people metroplex. Your rules don’t even scale to the 45K people town I live in.

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Anymouse  Sep 1, 2016 • 7:12:11am

re: #246 dangerman

anyone (more or less) could be registered in more than one place

the student id “identifies” you - it doesnt ensure your right to vote - you still have to be registered in the state, swear to the oath, follow the rules, etc

Which is what a voter registration card requires.

The law in Texas is not about using a student ID or a CCW to register, it is for voting after you are registered.

And Texas won’t let you use your voter registration card as ID either.

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Anymouse  Sep 1, 2016 • 7:13:27am

re: #252 Belafon

What’s a real bank? Seriously. Mine’s in a Walmart. It has Saturday and Sunday hours.

I love your small town shtick, but I live in a 6.5M people metroplex. Your rules don’t even scale to the 45K people town I live in.

Sure they do, if the tellers or bank manager know you personally, it doesn’t matter how big the town is.

A real bank: A bank in its own building, with a safe and deposit boxes and everything.

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Decatur Deb  Sep 1, 2016 • 7:13:28am

Last production of US-made cluster bombs is shutting down.

yahoo.com

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Anymouse  Sep 1, 2016 • 7:16:12am

re: #252 Belafon

What’s a real bank? Seriously. Mine’s in a Walmart. It has Saturday and Sunday hours.

I love your small town shtick, but I live in a 6.5M people metroplex. Your rules don’t even scale to the 45K people town I live in.

The claim was it was illegal for my bank to open an account for me here without ID. It is not. It is only illegal if you cannot identify the person or gather the required information. The size of the town does not matter if the bank’s personnel know you.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 1, 2016 • 7:17:57am

re: #256 Anymouse

The claim was it was illegal for my bank to open an account for me here without ID. It is not. It is only illegal if you cannot identify the person or gather the required information. The size of the town does not matter if the bank’s personnel know you.

I assume that the bank would have to bear partial liability if they opened an account under a false name.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Sep 1, 2016 • 7:19:22am

re: #254 Anymouse

Sure they do, if the tellers or bank manager know you personally, it doesn’t matter how big the town is.

A real bank: A bank in its own building, with a safe and deposit boxes and everything.

Ally, Simple and other online banks are still banks under the law, protected by FDIC and the whole shmeer. I use one because my credit union closed my account for inactivity while I was in China, and they had no provision for my re-opening the account other than physically presenting myself at my branch office, which was out of the question. If and when I return to the USA, I’ll probably open an account at a “real bank” but for now the one I have provides all the services I need.

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Anymouse  Sep 1, 2016 • 7:19:32am

re: #257 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I assume that the bank would have to bear partial liability if they opened an account under a false name.

Sure, they are subject to the law concerning proper identification.

If someone walked in off they street they did not know, I presume they would require some form of identification to comply with the law.

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William Lewis  Sep 1, 2016 • 7:20:48am

re: #255 Decatur Deb

Last production of US-made cluster bombs is shutting down.

yahoo.com

Huh. I want to say “Good riddance” and yet I know that there were real tactical reason for them in the first place. Damned if we do damned if we don’t …

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 1, 2016 • 7:22:08am

re: #260 William Lewis

Huh. I want to say “Good riddance” and yet I know that there were real tactical reason for them in the first place. Damned if we do damned if we don’t …

we actually let humanitarian concerns get in the way of tactical efficiency? what is the world coming to?

/

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William Lewis  Sep 1, 2016 • 7:22:23am

re: #256 Anymouse

My understanding of the law, as explained by the banks _I_ have done business with, was that there was, in fact, no alternative to ID. If that is incorrect, then it changes what I had said.

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William Lewis  Sep 1, 2016 • 7:23:17am

re: #261 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

/

This… ;)

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Anymouse  Sep 1, 2016 • 7:24:03am

re: #260 William Lewis

Huh. I want to say “Good riddance” and yet I know that there were real tactical reason for them in the first place. Damned if we do damned if we don’t …

The only tactical reason I can see for them is to lay a minefield without knowing where the mines are.

The bomblets survive long after the war is over, killing and maiming for years afterwards. Funny how we wouldn’t sign the Convention on Cluster Munitions, almost as if we were protecting our manufacturers.

en.wikipedia.org

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Sir John Barron  Sep 1, 2016 • 7:24:36am
1965 will be repealed.

1924 will be revived. #TrumpAZ

— Richard B. Spencer

What a gross statement.

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Belafon  Sep 1, 2016 • 7:26:28am

re: #254 Anymouse

So, they already have your SS number on file? According to the law, they had to get your tax ID number. Then you had to be ID’d ad some point. I’ll grant you that yes, after they’ve established identification, you don’t need to reshow (I’ve opened up two others at my bank after my first), but when changed an account of mine to have both me and my son on it, we had to get an ID for my son that the bank had to record for him to have his name put on the account.

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Sir John Barron  Sep 1, 2016 • 7:26:32am

My work laptop has gone kaput so for the moment I’m back on an old fashioned tower thing and only one monitor. The hardships I endure…..

/

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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 1, 2016 • 7:26:41am
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Decatur Deb  Sep 1, 2016 • 7:26:42am

re: #260 William Lewis

Huh. I want to say “Good riddance” and yet I know that there were real tactical reason for them in the first place. Damned if we do damned if we don’t …

Dud rate was just too high, like the early 40mm Cobra rounds. Effectively made them into uncontrolled mine scatterers.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Sep 1, 2016 • 7:26:53am

re: #262 William Lewis

My understanding of the law, as explained by the banks _I_ have done business with, was that there was, in fact, no alternative to ID. If that is incorrect, then it changes what I had said.

Larger banks, I suspect, have to toe the line more closely than small town banks do.

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Decatur Deb  Sep 1, 2016 • 7:27:13am

re: #261 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

we actually let humanitarian concerns get in the way of tactical efficiency? what is the world coming to?

/

The nature of the threat changed.

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Sir John Barron  Sep 1, 2016 • 7:27:19am

re: #190 The Vicious Babushka

Jill Stein has exactly 0 chance of winning the election, so every vote for her is just a butthurt coward vote for Trump.

That sounds rather high.

/

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Anymouse  Sep 1, 2016 • 7:30:05am

re: #262 William Lewis

My understanding of the law, as explained by the banks _I_ have done business with, was that there was, in fact, no alternative to ID. If that is incorrect, then it changes what I had said.

Nope.

Section 326 of the Act provides that the regulations must contain certain requirements.
At a minimum, the regulations must require financial institutions to implement reasonable
procedures for (1) verifying the identity of any person seeking to open an account, to the extent
reasonable and practicable; (2) maintaining records of the information used to verify the person’s
identity, including name, address, and other identifying information; and (3) determining
whether the person appears on any lists of known or suspected terrorists or terrorist organizations
provided to the financial institution by any government agency.

re: #266 Belafon

So, they already have your SS number on file? According to the law, they had to get your tax ID number. Then you had to be ID’d ad some point. I’ll grant you that yes, after they’ve established identification, you don’t need to reshow (I’ve opened up two others at my bank after my first), but when changed an account of mine to have both me and my son on it, we had to get an ID for my son that the bank had to record for him to have his name put on the account.

No, I gave it to them. They can check that, just as an employer can.

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Decatur Deb  Sep 1, 2016 • 7:30:21am

Nate is in a cheery mood this morning:

Election Update: As The Race Tightens, Don’t Assume The Electoral College Will Save Clinton

fivethirtyeight.com

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HappyWarrior  Sep 1, 2016 • 7:32:25am

re: #274 Decatur Deb

Nate is in a cheery mood this morning:

Election Update: As The Race Tightens, Don’t Assume The Electoral College Will Save Clinton

fivethirtyeight.com

I saw that. Meh some tightening was inevitable I guess. I’m not worried. HRC is ahead of Obama 2012 and she’s got a decent ground game and Trump has none of that.

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Anymouse  Sep 1, 2016 • 7:32:28am

Pesky .pdf addresses don’t make links here, they show the top page of a document.

treasury.gov /resource-center/terrorist-illicit-finance/Terrorist-Finance-Tracking/Documents/staterule.pdf (remove the space)

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Sir John Barron  Sep 1, 2016 • 7:33:12am

re: #274 Decatur Deb

Nate is in a cheery mood this morning:

Election Update: As The Race Tightens, Don’t Assume The Electoral College Will Save Clinton

fivethirtyeight.com

Yeah, thanks, Nate.

/

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lawhawk  Sep 1, 2016 • 7:33:39am

re: #274 Decatur Deb

Reminder of the Day:

GOTV matters. Assume nothing about the race, no matter what the polls show (and bear in mind they do show Clinton generally leading Trump by a significant margin).

If anything, this should spur people to vote to make sure that Trump stands no chance at all. That down ticket GOPers lose. All of them.

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Sir John Barron  Sep 1, 2016 • 7:34:06am

re: #275 HappyWarrior

I saw that. Meh some tightening was inevitable I guess. I’m not worried. HRC is ahead of Obama 2012 and she’s got a decent ground game and Trump has none of that.

Hard to see Trump matching Romney’s numbers. Romney was like a functioning human being.

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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 1, 2016 • 7:34:35am

re: #274 Decatur Deb

Nate is in a cheery mood this morning:

Election Update: As The Race Tightens, Don’t Assume The Electoral College Will Save Clinton

fivethirtyeight.com

Well isn’t he a little fucking ray of sunshine

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HappyWarrior  Sep 1, 2016 • 7:34:59am

re: #279 Sir John Barron

Hard to see Trump matching Romney’s numbers. Romney was like a functioning human being.

Yeah I don’t either. It’s just a pity that this thing won’t be a ‘36, ‘64, ‘72, or ‘84 type landslide.

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Belafon  Sep 1, 2016 • 7:35:11am

re: #274 Decatur Deb

Nate is in a cheery mood this morning:

Election Update: As The Race Tightens, Don’t Assume The Electoral College Will Save Clinton

fivethirtyeight.com

A runaway would be boring for him as well. I don’t see him saying “She’s down by 1 point, therefore she’s going to lose,” but he can make up his own doom and gloom scenarios. “Here’s what happens to the election if all polling stations close at 2pm.”

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 1, 2016 • 7:35:35am

re: #281 HappyWarrior

Yeah I don’t either. It’s just a pity that this thing won’t be a ‘36, ‘64, ‘72, or ‘84 type landslide.

anything less than 5% and they will insist that Hillary stole it

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Anymouse  Sep 1, 2016 • 7:36:20am

Sam Wang doesn’t have it the same way as Nate Silver:

election.princeton.edu

Deuling pollsters at twenty paces?

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Decatur Deb  Sep 1, 2016 • 7:36:53am

re: #283 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

anything less than 5% and they will insist that Hillary stole it

Anything less than HRC +20 is a national disgrace.

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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 1, 2016 • 7:36:55am

re: #282 Belafon

A runaway would be boring for him as well. I don’t see him saying “She’s down by 1 point, therefore she’s going to lose,” but he can make up his own doom and gloom scenarios. “Here’s what happens to the election if all polling stations close at 2pm.”

Obama was never ahead by more than 4 pts in 2012 and by the end of the race he and Romney were head to head.

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Timothy Watson  Sep 1, 2016 • 7:37:52am

re: #280 The Vicious Babushka

Well isn’t he a little fucking ray of sunshine

Didn’t he add CYA points in Romney’s favor in 2012?

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Belafon  Sep 1, 2016 • 7:37:53am

re: #285 Decatur Deb

Anything less than HRC +20 is a national disgrace.

And the media will blame Clinton.

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Belafon  Sep 1, 2016 • 7:39:10am

re: #284 Anymouse

Sam Wang doesn’t have it the same way as Nate Silver:

election.princeton.edu

Deuling pollsters at twenty paces?

re: #287 Timothy Watson

Didn’t he add CYA points in Romney’s favor in 2012?

From what I understand, Nate plays with his models quite a bit, while Wang doesn’t. I believe in 2012, Nate’s playing didn’t get him any close to the actual result than Wang.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 1, 2016 • 7:40:22am

re: #283 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

anything less than 5% and they will insist that Hillary stole it

I saw something the other day, that though the race may be tightening, it’s not because Trump’s doing better. It’s because Clinton is doing worse. I wonder it a lot of that isn’t because people came out of the Conventions and were scared shitless of Trump winning, so a lot of people who would never vote for Trump said they’d vote for Clinton. Then, when she was getting polls with 10 and 12% leads, they relaxed and said, “eh, maybe I could vote for Johnson or Stein, since Clinton’s got this in the bag.”

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HappyWarrior  Sep 1, 2016 • 7:41:23am

re: #284 Anymouse

Sam Wang doesn’t have it the same way as Nate Silver:

election.princeton.edu

Deuling pollsters at twenty paces?

I respect Nate but I trust Sam more since Sam is purely academic.

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Anymouse  Sep 1, 2016 • 7:42:01am

Section 326 of the Act provides that the regulations must contain certain requirements.
At a minimum, the regulations must require financial institutions to implement reasonable procedures for (1) verifying the identity of any person seeking to open an account, to the extent reasonable and practicable;

One teller is on my village board with me; the bank manager also knows me

(2) maintaining records of the information used to verify the person’s identity, including name, address, and other identifying information;

They have the cards I filled out for my account and safe deposit box

and (3) determining whether the person appears on any lists of known or suspected terrorists or terrorist organizations provided to the financial institution by any government agency.

I presume if the government ask them that, then they’ll try to determine that.

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blueraven  Sep 1, 2016 • 7:42:43am

re: #276 Anymouse

Pesky .pdf addresses don’t make links here, they show the top page of a document.

treasury.gov /resource-center/terrorist-illicit-finance/Terrorist-Finance-Tracking/Documents/staterule.pdf (remove the space)

Actually it embeds the entire pdf doc. You just have to scroll.

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Decatur Deb  Sep 1, 2016 • 7:42:43am

re: #291 HappyWarrior

I respect Nate but I trust Sam more since Sam is purely academic.

I always trust the one that doesn’t tell me what I want to hear. My biases are part of the process.

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Great White Snark  Sep 1, 2016 • 7:44:32am

re: #284 Anymouse

Sam Wang doesn’t have it the same way as Nate Silver:

election.princeton.edu

Deuling pollsters at twenty paces?

I never saw that source at all before, thanks. Like Nate Silver, math centric. I was looking at the LA Times pages and from what I could gather the threat to HRC is not Trump picking up some Republicans or indies. It seems to be disaffected Dems or left leaners. That might be the group to really watch for now.

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Anymouse  Sep 1, 2016 • 7:44:33am

re: #293 blueraven

Actually it embeds the entire pdf doc. You just have to scroll.

For some reason that doesn’t work on my computer. Must be a Hewlett-Packard thing, or maybe Windows 10, or it doesn’t like Firefox, or the phase of the moon… .

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HappyWarrior  Sep 1, 2016 • 7:45:04am

re: #294 Decatur Deb

I always trust the one that doesn’t tell me what I want to hear. My biases are part of the process.

That’s true as well. That said, Nate’s articles are more interesting. Sam’s very math orientated and me, well me and math haven’t gotten along for a long time. Hey though DD, wanted to ask you something since you know Pittsburgh pretty well. How well do you know the area by former Three Rivers Stadium? I believe the neighborhood is Manchester. That’s where my Irish Pittsburghers lived. Perhaps some of your kin and mine crossed paths.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Sep 1, 2016 • 7:46:49am

re: #296 Anymouse

For some reason that doesn’t work on my computer. Must be a Hewlett-Packard thing, or maybe Windows 10, or it doesn’t like Firefox, or the phase of the moon… .

You have to show your ID to the webcam.

//

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Great White Snark  Sep 1, 2016 • 7:46:57am

re: #289 Belafon

From what I understand, Nate plays with his models quite a bit, while Wang doesn’t. I believe in 2012, Nate’s playing didn’t get him any close to the actual result than Wang.

Nate seems to regard it all as a grand experiment to build on. Dynamic, but of course more subject to surprises.

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Targetpractice  Sep 1, 2016 • 7:47:55am

re: #290 Blind Frog Belly White

I saw something the other day, that though the race may be tightening, it’s not because Trump’s doing better. It’s because Clinton is doing worse. I wonder it a lot of that isn’t because people came out of the Conventions and were scared shitless of Trump winning, so a lot of people who would never vote for Trump said they’d vote for Clinton. Then, when she was getting polls with 10 and 12% leads, they relaxed and said, “eh, maybe I could vote for Johnson or Stein, since Clinton’s got this in the bag.”

I strongly suspect that is closer to the truth, that the convention swing was an emotional reaction to the insanity of the RNC, and the “tightening” we’ve seen since is fence-sitters who weeks ago said they’d vote Hillary just to prevent a Trump presidency now feeling that she’s comfortably in the lead and they can afford to go back to contemplating a third party vote. Which isn’t helped by the wall-to-wall “Did you know Hillary is the anti-Christ for not giving us a press conference?!” coverage from the media.

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Anymouse  Sep 1, 2016 • 7:48:43am

re: #295 Great White Snark

I never saw that source at all before, thanks. Like Nate Silver, math centric. I was looking at the LA Times pages and from what I could gather the threat to HRC is not Trump picking up some Republicans or indies. It seems to be disaffected Dems or left leaners. That might be the group to really watch for now.

The main site for Sam Wang is here:
election.princeton.edu

He has some interesting articles and charts and all sorts of things as well.

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Anymouse  Sep 1, 2016 • 7:49:52am

re: #298 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

You have to show your ID to the webcam.

//

Haha. I’ll have to pull off the electrical tape first then.

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Decatur Deb  Sep 1, 2016 • 7:50:59am

re: #297 HappyWarrior

That’s true as well. That said, Nate’s articles are more interesting. Sam’s very math orientated and me, well me and math haven’t gotten along for a long time. Hey though DD, wanted to ask you something since you know Pittsburgh pretty well. How well do you know the area by former Three Rivers Stadium? I believe the neighborhood is Manchester. That’s where my Irish Pittsburghers lived. Perhaps some of your kin and mine crossed paths.

I lived a bit upriver from Manchester, between Alleghany General and the river. (Mother was a nurse at AG and Divine Providence.) Among teens, Manchester was serious Black turf and we observed the boundaries. We lived all over Pgh, something to do with paying the rent.

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Sherlock Hound  Sep 1, 2016 • 7:51:11am

re: #103 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

September’s here and the time is right for Danzig in the streets!!!

“The Politics of Danzig”

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HappyWarrior  Sep 1, 2016 • 7:53:23am

re: #303 Decatur Deb

I lived a bit upriver from Manchester, between Alleghany General and the river. (Mother was a nurse at AG and Divine Providence.) Among teens, Manchester was serious Black turf and we observed the boundaries. We lived all over Pgh, something to do with paying the rent.

Thanks. Seems that my grandmother’s family lived all over the city too.

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Targetpractice  Sep 1, 2016 • 7:54:00am

I’d get upset about Nate’s attitude if I hadn’t already seen it in 2012. He did much the same thing, beginning to openly contemplate possible scenarios where Romney might actually hold a competitive edge, how the polls might be wrong and he was actually closer to winning than the projections appeared. How if turnout was down here or up there, he might just win enough EC votes to defeat Obama.

Or, in other words, Nate always likes to hedge his bets. That way if his model comes up wrong, he can shrug and say he never said it was a sure thing.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 1, 2016 • 7:54:00am

re: #304 Sherlock Hound

“The Politics of Danzig”

Danzig with Tear Gas in my Eyes

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CuriousLurker  Sep 1, 2016 • 7:54:19am

re: #226 darthstar

Probably. But all I see in my TL on twitter is Trump, Trump, Trump, or Clinton compared to Trump. or Clinton being wrongly compared to Trump. But always in the context of Trump. Even the stories about her debate prep - how she’s going to attack Trump, what psychologists are saying she should do, etc. while he isn’t preparing at all because he knows how to talk about Trump. But it’s about Trump.

I did expect the number of results to be a lot closer than that though…160 million is a pretty wide margin.

More interesting would be to look at more specific stats, for example since June 2015 (when DT announced). Google Trends breaks that down for you. You can get even more granular if you really want to dig in. I didn’t since our election isn’t decided based on who has the highest number of Google queries/page results (or the largest crowds at their stump speeches).

Where it gets really interesting is if you add in a third comparison, for example ISIS. Searches for them have beat HRC for a good portion of that time—for example from 11/01/15 through 01/16/16—in fact they even surpassed DT for most of November 2015 through the first week in in December.

Interest doesn’t indicate a positive opinion—if it did then I guess al-Baghdadi could’ve beaten HRC & DT to become our president had the election been held in November 2015, and had he been able to bypass the natural born citizen requirement—according to birthers like DT Obama got away with it, so who knows? //

ಠ_ಠ

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HappyWarrior  Sep 1, 2016 • 7:54:44am

Nate understandably and I agree with him that this is a strange election so you can’t expect the usual patterns. Honestly, I predict now that Clinton will exceed what her polls have her at on election day. I don’t know if she makes 50% though. Johnson seems primed to do well for a third party candidate. However, I do think she’ll have a convincing win.

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Anymouse  Sep 1, 2016 • 7:57:23am

re: #309 HappyWarrior

Nate understandably and I agree with him that this is a strange election so you can’t expect the usual patterns. Honestly, I predict now that Clinton will exceed what her polls have her at on election day. I don’t know if she makes 50% though. Johnson seems primed to do well for a third party candidate. However, I do think she’ll have a convincing win.

President Obama won with 7 and 5 million votes respectively, and that was not convincing enough.

President Clinton got dragged through an impeachment hearing by guys doing worse than him.

They wouldn’t be convinced if she got 30 million more votes. They aren’t interested in a democratic election. (Back on the issue of voter ID in close states, where none is required in deeply red states.)

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CuriousLurker  Sep 1, 2016 • 7:59:01am

re: #308 CuriousLurker

One other thing: It’s weird how even though Google is manipulating their search results to favor HRC, she still can’t win the count, huh? // ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 1, 2016 • 7:59:28am

re: #310 Anymouse

President Obama won with 7 and 5 million votes respectively, and that was not convincing enough.

President Clinton got dragged through an impeachment hearing by guys doing worse than him.

They wouldn’t be convinced if she got 30 million more votes. They aren’t interested in a democratic election. (Back on the issue of voter ID in close states, where none is required in deeply red states.)

Realists know that DT has little chance of winning, so their strategy is to attack HRC’s legitimacy wherever and whenever possible.

After which they will commence impeachment hearings.

Any bets on how many days after inauguration before that happens?

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HappyWarrior  Sep 1, 2016 • 7:59:48am

re: #310 Anymouse

President Obama won with 7 and 5 million votes respectively, and that was not convincing enough.

President Clinton got dragged through an impeachment hearing by guys doing worse than him.

They wouldn’t be convinced if she got 30 million more votes. They aren’t interested in a democratic election. (Back on the issue of voter ID in close states, where none is required in deeply red states.)

I meant convincing in a generic sense that she’ll win by 5-7 points and by several states electorally. No, she could win every state in the Union and the Republicans would find someway to claim it wasn’t legitimate. Believe me, I remember Obama’s 2008 quite well.

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Belafon  Sep 1, 2016 • 8:00:20am

re: #312 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Realists know that DT has little chance of winning, so their strategy is to attack HRC’s legitimacy wherever and whenever possible.

After which they will commence impeachment hearings.

Any bets on how many days after inauguration before that happens?

Which is one of the reasons Clinton is setting up field offices in states like Arizona.

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Dr Lizardo  Sep 1, 2016 • 8:00:37am

re: #312 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Realists know that DT has little chance of winning, so their strategy is to attack HRC’s legitimacy wherever and whenever possible.

After which they will commence impeachment hearings.

Any bets on how many days hours after inauguration before that happens?

FTFY.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 1, 2016 • 8:00:46am

re: #312 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Realists know that DT has little chance of winning, so their strategy is to attack HRC’s legitimacy wherever and whenever possible.

After which they will commence impeachment hearings.

Any bets on how many days after inauguration before that happens?

From what, I’ve been ready, they’re already talking about how they plan to handle the 2018 midterms. Pretty crass if you ask me since they have no idea what she’s going to if elected and it just reeks of the Ryan-Cantor-McCarthy meeting on 1-20-09.

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CuriousLurker  Sep 1, 2016 • 8:01:47am

Anyway, I’m out. Later.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 1, 2016 • 8:02:08am

re: #314 Belafon

Which is one of the reasons Clinton is setting up field offices in states like Arizona.

She’s polling well in Georgia and North Carolina too. Both states that have hardly been friendly to the Democrats in recent years. I’ve seen it throughout but a Republican especially Trump had a lot of digging out to. The problem with the Republicans is their primary electorate is so much different than the general election electorate.

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Decatur Deb  Sep 1, 2016 • 8:03:50am

re: #312 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Realists know that DT has little chance of winning, so their strategy is to attack HRC’s legitimacy wherever and whenever possible.

After which they will commence impeachment hearings.

Any bets on how many days after inauguration before that happens?

It would be pretty risky to try an impeachment on issues that existed before the election. They would need a new bombshell, and they have pretty much hunted out that woods.

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Anymouse  Sep 1, 2016 • 8:04:27am

re: #312 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

re: #313 HappyWarrior

I suspect they are already planning on their obstruction and how to make her a one-term President.

The GOP to me at this point seems to have gotten so stuck, and have invited so many different groups in (Tea Party, evangelicals, business-friendly, small government, big military, &c) that I don’t see how they can keep themselves together as a party.

One of our state senators said “enough” and jumped over to the Libertarian Party; so did one in Iowa.

If a trickle like that can’t be staunched by the GOP, it will become a flood.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 1, 2016 • 8:05:52am

re: #320 Anymouse

I suspect they are already planning on their obstruction and how to make her a one-term President.

The GOP to me at this point seems to have gotten so stuck, and have invited so many different groups in (Tea Party, evangelicals, business-friendly, small government, big military, &c) that I don’t see how they can keep themselves together as a party.

One of our state senators said “enough” and jumped over to the Libertarian Party; so did one in Iowa.

If a trickle like that can’t be staunched by the GOP, it will become a flood.

I’m waiting for Texas to become competitive at the electoral level. That will be really interesting to see. I don’t think it happens this time but I think Clinton begins the groundwork to make a Democratic win in Texas possible by 2024 maybe even 2020.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 1, 2016 • 8:07:05am

re: #319 Decatur Deb

It would be pretty risky to try an impeachment on issues that existed before the election. They would need a new bombshell, and they have pretty much hunted out that woods.

They do not care, they just want impeachment. Anything to call her mandate and legitimacy into question.

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Anymouse  Sep 1, 2016 • 8:08:04am

re: #322 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

They do not care, they just want impeachment. Anything to call her mandate and legitimacy into question.

Presuming the Senate goes to the Democrats in this election, that ain’t goin’ anywhere.

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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 1, 2016 • 8:08:14am

YA THINK?

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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 1, 2016 • 8:08:40am

re: #322 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

They do not care, they just want impeachment. Anything to call her mandate and legitimacy into question.

They want execution. In public.

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danarchy  Sep 1, 2016 • 8:08:58am

re: #312 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Realists know that DT has little chance of winning, so their strategy is to attack HRC’s legitimacy wherever and whenever possible.

After which they will commence impeachment hearings.

Any bets on how many days after inauguration before that happens?

If they haven’t started impeachment hearings on Obama in 8 years I don’t think this is a very likely scenario.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 1, 2016 • 8:09:07am

re: #324 The Vicious Babushka

YA THINK?

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Ya don’t say!

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Anymouse  Sep 1, 2016 • 8:10:38am

re: #326 danarchy

If they haven’t started impeachment hearings on Obama in 8 years I don’t think this is a very likely scenario.

Yup. Like abortion and undocumented immigration and the endless votes on the ACA, they use impeachment as a means to scare up their voters.

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Sir John Barron  Sep 1, 2016 • 8:10:57am

re: #277 Sir John Barron

Yeah, thanks, Nate.

/

Nate still has HRC at 70+% to win. But the popular vote percentage looks pretty small right now on his site, about 3%.

Normally I’d say the debates should help her but given our media’s behavior of late, they’re likely to give Trump bonus points just for showing up.

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Anymouse  Sep 1, 2016 • 8:12:07am

re: #329 Sir John Barron

Nate still has HRC at 70+% to win. But the popular vote percentage looks pretty small right now on his site, about 3%.

Normally I’d say the debates should help her but given our media’s behavior of late, they’re likely to give Trump bonus points just for showing up.

Look! Hillary flew in with a small private jet, while Donald has that honkin’ passenger liner! Ten points to Teh Donald.

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Dr Lizardo  Sep 1, 2016 • 8:13:42am

OT, but holy crap, I just found Deutschland im Herbst (Germany In Autumn) by Rainer Werner Fassbinder on YouTube with English subtitles.

Watch it while you can, Lizards.

en.wikipedia.org

ETA: Put in spoiler tags for some NSFW content in the film.

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Decatur Deb  Sep 1, 2016 • 8:13:42am

re: #322 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

They do not care, they just want impeachment. Anything to call her mandate and legitimacy into question.

They also want to keep their jobs in 2018.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 1, 2016 • 8:14:10am

re: #326 danarchy

If they haven’t started impeachment hearings on Obama in 8 years I don’t think this is a very likely scenario.

They truly hate Hillary more deeply and intensely than they have ever hated Obama…

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 1, 2016 • 8:15:08am

re: #332 Decatur Deb

They also want to keep their jobs in 2018.

And their job profile includes demonstrating how much they loathe Hillary.

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Anymouse  Sep 1, 2016 • 8:15:54am

re: #332 Decatur Deb

They also want to keep their jobs in 2018.

I would deeply like to see my representative in the unemployment line.

The Democrats didn’t even bother to run a candidate against him, though there is an independent write-in candidate from Grand Island running. Our county party endorsed her.

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Decatur Deb  Sep 1, 2016 • 8:16:36am

re: #334 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

And their job profile includes demonstrating how much they loathe Hillary.

If anything could bring the Dems out in an off-year, it would be another Whitewater fiasco.

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Anymouse  Sep 1, 2016 • 8:19:11am

re: #336 Decatur Deb

If anything could bring the Dems out in an off-year, it would be another Whitewater fiasco.

I’d rather the GOP show how incompetent they are, and Democrats care about that.

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Anymouse  Sep 1, 2016 • 8:20:59am

For four months running, at every village board meeting, I’ve asked our Republican county prosecutor (who is also our village attorney) when he is going to open an investigation on me using a private E-mail server.

I think I will do that again Tuesday at our next board meeting.

(He uses a private E-mail server, too.)

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HappyWarrior  Sep 1, 2016 • 8:24:19am

re: #333 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

They truly hate Hillary more deeply and intensely than they have ever hated Obama…

They’ll hate whoever replaces them. My conservative friend was really really getting into Bernie hate.

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Anymouse  Sep 1, 2016 • 8:26:35am

A message I received this morning:

I’m not even a Democrat, and I’ll vote for Hillary even if an email is released where she admits to murdering JFK. Trump will never step foot in the White House.

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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 1, 2016 • 8:27:47am

The usual wingnuts are jibbering today about Kaepernick’s socks. HIS FUCKING SOCKS.

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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 1, 2016 • 8:28:52am
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HappyWarrior  Sep 1, 2016 • 8:30:07am

re: #341 The Vicious Babushka

The usual wingnuts are jibbering today about Kaepernick’s socks. HIS FUCKING SOCKS.

As I’ve said, for the people who cry about SJWs “crying”, these people sure do waste a lot of time whining about frivolous bullshit.

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Anymouse  Sep 1, 2016 • 8:30:10am

re: #341 The Vicious Babushka

The usual wingnuts are jibbering today about Kaepernick’s socks. HIS FUCKING SOCKS.

Funny thing is, that photo circulating about the socks do not show anything above the socks. There is no way to tell if it is Kaepernick’s socks.

On the other hand, NFL teams have uniform socks. It would seem likely to me that those socks would not meet the NFL requirements for a uniform.

In other words, someone took a photo of socks and lied about it.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 1, 2016 • 8:33:11am

re: #339 HappyWarrior

They’ll hate whoever replaces them. My conservative friend was really really getting into Bernie hate.

Which is one of the reasons behind the massive ratfucking going on during the Democratic primaries. The GOP wanted Bernie to win the nomination.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 1, 2016 • 8:34:16am

re: #344 Anymouse

Funny thing is, that photo circulating about the socks do not show anything above the socks. There is no way to tell if it is Kaepernick’s socks.

On the other hand, NFL teams have uniform socks. It would seem likely to me that those socks would not meet the NFL requirements for a uniform.

In other words, someone took a photo of socks and lied about it.

We are dealing with a higher truth, namely that this fellow is a Traitor who deserves to be burnt at the stake as part of the pre-game show at the Hillary auto-da-fe.

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danarchy  Sep 1, 2016 • 8:34:32am

re: #344 Anymouse

Funny thing is, that photo circulating about the socks do not show anything above the socks. There is no way to tell if it is Kaepernick’s socks.

On the other hand, NFL teams have uniform socks. It would seem likely to me that those socks would not meet the NFL requirements for a uniform.

In other words, someone took a photo of socks and lied about it.

He is wearing them at practice, so uniform regulations don’t really apply. There is a story on cbs sports about it, apparently he has been wearing them since aug 10th

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Anymouse  Sep 1, 2016 • 8:36:11am

re: #347 danarchy

He is wearing them at practice, so uniform regulations don’t really apply. There is a story on cbs sports about it, apparently he has been wearing them since aug 10th

Hmm, okay then. I did not know the context of the photo. I just keep seeing the photo along with “Burn the 49ers quarterback at the stake!!!11!!!uno!!1!eleventy!!1

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KGxvi  Sep 1, 2016 • 8:36:34am

re: #95 Timothy Watson

it seems really strange to me that school starts before Labor Day. I always remembered starting after Labor Day through high school.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 1, 2016 • 8:37:06am

re: #347 danarchy

He is wearing them at practice, so uniform regulations don’t really apply. There is a story on cbs sports about it, apparently he has been wearing them since aug 10th

Yeah I did some Google fu. Shrug, they’re socks. Honestly, it’s his right to wear them. Frankly, I’m a lot more offended by people who get away without so much as a prosecution for shooting someone unarmed than a choice of socks. He wouldn’t be allowed to wear these to g game so who the fuck is it really hurting that he wears these to practice.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 1, 2016 • 8:37:12am

re: #349 KGxvi

it seems really strange to me that school starts before Labor Day. I always remembered starting after Labor Day through high school.

yes. very

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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 1, 2016 • 8:39:05am

Next big wingnut meltdown==>

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HappyWarrior  Sep 1, 2016 • 8:39:17am

What people need to understand is Colin has the right to not stand during the national anthem and you also have the right to criticize him for it. I really hate this mob mentality that I’m seeing though. You know what, I respect our military, my grandfather was a Korean war vet and so many of my family have served. I can’t speak for how veterans feel but I really do think part of the freedom we have is not just the freedom to stand and I always stand during the National Anthem- hand over heart even but it’s also someone’s right not to do that. Sometimes liberty and freedom is the freedom to do nothing at all just as religious freedom includes the freedom not to believe in a deity or deities.

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Timothy Watson  Sep 1, 2016 • 8:39:51am

re: #352 The Vicious Babushka

Next big wingnut meltdown==>

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If babies want diapers they can go get a job!1!!!

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Anymouse  Sep 1, 2016 • 8:40:12am

re: #350 HappyWarrior

Yeah I did some Google fu. Shrug, they’re socks. Honestly, it’s his right to wear them. Frankly, I’m a lot more offended by people who get away without so much as a prosecution for shooting someone unarmed than a choice of socks. He wouldn’t be allowed to wear these to g game so who the fuck is it really hurting that he wears these to practice.

But but but “Blue Lives Matter!” (Free speech optional to conservative opinions.)

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HappyWarrior  Sep 1, 2016 • 8:40:18am

re: #354 Timothy Watson

If babies want diapers they can go get a job!1!!!

Mah tax dollars ain’t going to some freeloader who can’t afford his own diapers. //

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A wild WITHAK appeared!  Sep 1, 2016 • 8:40:18am

re: #341 The Vicious Babushka

The usual wingnuts are jibbering today about Kaepernick’s socks. HIS FUCKING SOCKS.

That was the lead story on NPR this morning — Colin Kaepernick. A 2nd-string QB playing in the most meaningless of meaningless football games aside from the Pro Bowl is somehow more news than the Taco Bowl Summit, Trump’s subsequent immigration logorrhea in Arizona, any of Clinton’s policy announcements (or even the “scandals” she’s involved in), or even hurricanes and other bad weather.

Football above all else. I love it too, but this nation has a disease when it comes to sport.

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danarchy  Sep 1, 2016 • 8:40:29am

re: #349 KGxvi

it seems really strange to me that school starts before Labor Day. I always remembered starting after Labor Day through high school.

yeah, school always started after labor day for me too. Starting before Labor Day is like cruel and unusual punishment man.

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Belafon  Sep 1, 2016 • 8:40:54am

re: #349 KGxvi

it seems really strange to me that school starts before Labor Day. I always remembered starting after Labor Day through high school.

Yes, but the amount of stuff we require kids to learn, and the amount of days devoted to taking tests, has made the school year longer.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 1, 2016 • 8:41:36am

re: #355 Anymouse

But but but “Blue Lives Matter!” (Free speech optional to conservative opinions.)

You know what I love? It’s how conservatives pretend they care about the cops but then they champion people like the Bundy Ranch fuckwads who actually did put guns on law enforcement but hey BLM is just awful because they demand law enforcement have accountability for their actions and not be above the law. I haven’t seen a single FB post from my ultra-conservative friend once about the Bundy Ranch asses, gee wonder why.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 1, 2016 • 8:43:01am

re: #358 danarchy

yeah, school always started after labor day for me too. Starting before Labor Day is like cruel and unusual punishment man.

My Dad’s always viewed the beginning of summer as Memorial Day weekend and the end as Labor Day weekend. Now that I think about it, that fits in quite nicely with the pool schedule.

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A wild WITHAK appeared!  Sep 1, 2016 • 8:43:14am

re: #358 danarchy

yeah, school always started after labor day for me too. Starting before Labor Day is like cruel and unusual punishment man.

School only starts before Labor Day in Minnesota in (some/all of?) Minneapolis; anywhere else it’s sacrilege. For the next school year, due to much-needed construction, my kids’ district will be starting early (sometime in late August) and ending early as well, and some parents are flipping their shit as if they’d canceled the football season.

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calochortus  Sep 1, 2016 • 8:43:49am

re: #359 Belafon

Yes, but the amount of stuff we require kids to learn, and the amount of days devoted to taking tests, has made the years longer.

I don’t think the number of days of instruction have increased in most places-the students just get more breaks during the year. This way teachers don’t really have the ability to take that traditional summer job that keeps them solvent…

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danarchy  Sep 1, 2016 • 8:44:26am

re: #357 A wild WITHAK appeared!

That was the lead story on NPR this morning — Colin Kaepernick. A 2nd-string QB playing in the most meaningless of meaningless football games aside from the Pro Bowl is somehow more news than the Taco Bowl Summit, Trump’s subsequent immigration logorrhea in Arizona, any of Clinton’s policy announcements (or even the “scandals” she’s involved in), or even hurricanes and other bad weather.

Football above all else. I love it too, but this nation has a disease when it comes to sport.

This nation? Have you seen how most of the world is with soccer…

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 1, 2016 • 8:44:30am

re: #357 A wild WITHAK appeared!

Football above all else. I love it too, but this nation has a disease when it comes to sport.

Sport, especially our national ballsports of foot, basket and base, are inextricably tied up with our sense of patriotism and national identity.

To attack them is an affront against American ideals and virtues, and a player who uses a game to protest other dear and cherished symbols of America (like the flag) is going to suffer the same storm of vituperation as a country music act who criticizes a (GOP) President.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 1, 2016 • 8:45:12am

Virginia is weird. We always started after Labor Day in Fairfax County but when the family moved to neighboring Loudoun, I started to see school start in late August. I guess it could be worse. School could be year round like it is in the UK. When I visited my cousin and her family in the UK one summer, her little girl was going to school and I just couldn’t imagine it. Now the plus side is they do have a little bit more vacations but I always loved that last day of school. It never got old.

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Dr Lizardo  Sep 1, 2016 • 8:45:59am

re: #362 A wild WITHAK appeared!

School only starts before Labor Day in Minnesota in (some/all of?) Minneapolis; anywhere else it’s sacrilege. For the next school year, due to much-needed construction, my kids’ district will be starting early (sometime in late August) and ending early as well, and some parents are flipping their shit as if they’d canceled the football season.

Here in the Czech Republic, school starts on September 1st, unless it’s a weekend. If it’s a weekend, it starts the first Monday after.

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danarchy  Sep 1, 2016 • 8:46:15am

re: #360 HappyWarrior

You know what I love? It’s how conservatives pretend they care about the cops but then they champion people like the Bundy Ranch fuckwads who actually did put guns on law enforcement but hey BLM is just awful because they demand law enforcement have accountability for their actions and not be above the law. I haven’t seen a single FB post from my ultra-conservative friend once about the Bundy Ranch asses, gee wonder why.

if you mention the Bundy’s and BLM in the same post the immediate translation in my head is Bureau of Land Management…

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HappyWarrior  Sep 1, 2016 • 8:46:44am

re: #368 danarchy

if you mention the Bundy’s and BLM in the same post the immediate translation in my head is Bureau of Land Management…

A natural reaction.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 1, 2016 • 8:47:15am

Hell I still think of the Irish Republican Army when I hear people talk about IRAs- Individual Retirement Accounts.

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danarchy  Sep 1, 2016 • 8:48:40am

re: #370 HappyWarrior

Hell I still think of the Irish Republican Army when I hear people talk about IRAs- Individual Retirement Accounts.

Best be careful with that, investing in one is prudent, investing in the other will get you on a terror watch list.

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Anymouse  Sep 1, 2016 • 8:49:24am

re: #353 HappyWarrior

What people need to understand is Colin has the right to not stand during the national anthem and you also have the right to criticize him for it. I really hate this mob mentality that I’m seeing though. You know what, I respect our military, my grandfather was a Korean war vet and so many of my family have served. I can’t speak for how veterans feel but I really do think part of the freedom we have is not just the freedom to stand and I always stand during the National Anthem- hand over heart even but it’s also someone’s right not to do that. Sometimes liberty and freedom is the freedom to do nothing at all just as religious freedom includes the freedom not to believe in a deity or deities.

Sure, others have the right to criticise him. The mob mentality is coming from those who think he should be kicked off the team for daring to sit during a song.

In the meantime, thousands of active duty, reservists, and veterans have taken to Twitter to note that conservatives do not speak for them, and that their service is exactly for his right to protest.

The issue is of course that it is never the right time for an African-American to bring up unequal treatment. Riot, and they get called out for rioting. Protest with signs, and they get called out for protesting with signs. Sitting down (like Rosa Parks, or Woolworth’s) and they get called out for sitting down.

The butthurt from the right wing chickenhawks that were never in the military is that they are protesting at all.

The test of your convictions to the Bill of Rights is when you are defending someone with whom you do not agree.

I was in the Navy, for seventeen years. Colin’s free expression is what I was allegedly serving in the military for (isn’t that what conservatives keep conservasplaining to the public, the military serves and dies to protect your freedom). They are shouting down Colin for exercising his rights. The rights I supposedly served to protect.

They are putting words in our mouths, supposedly saying veterans and active duty are offended. Let us speak for ourselves, conservatives.

VeteransForKaepernick at Twitter:
twitter.com

Thousands of military personnel telling conservatives to let us speak for ourselves, or supporting Colin’s right to protest.

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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 1, 2016 • 8:50:12am

He wants to reintroduce the Bellamy Salute

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Bubblehead II  Sep 1, 2016 • 8:50:51am
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Timothy Watson  Sep 1, 2016 • 8:50:52am

re: #371 danarchy

Best be careful with that, investing in one is prudent, investing in the other will get you on a terror watch list.

Or make you a sitting United States Congressman (Peter King).

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HappyWarrior  Sep 1, 2016 • 8:52:12am

re: #371 danarchy

Best be careful with that, investing in one is prudent, investing in the other will get you on a terror watch list.

Indeed!

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HappyWarrior  Sep 1, 2016 • 8:53:03am

re: #373 The Vicious Babushka

He wants to reintroduce the Bellamy Salute

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Says the guy whose campaign stump speech is America sux, vote for me. Forced patriotism isn’t patriotism.

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Anymouse  Sep 1, 2016 • 8:53:15am

re: #376 HappyWarrior

Indeed!

Not the Indian Rugby Association?/s

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A wild WITHAK appeared!  Sep 1, 2016 • 8:54:23am

re: #373 The Vicious Babushka

He wants to reintroduce the Bellamy Salute

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Yay, meaningless ritual over real solutions!

I always thought that the Pledge was creepy when I was a kid, and I don’t remember ever taking it seriously. In fact, if the teachers had been paying attention to the way we altered some of the words occasionally, we would have been in deep trouble.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 1, 2016 • 8:54:46am

re: #375 Timothy Watson

Or make you a sitting United States Congressman (Peter King).

You know the only reason why Petey turned on Sinn Fein is that Gerry and the lads opposed the Iraq War. I’m of Irish descent like IRA Petey and I’ll be the first to concede some sympathies with the goals (read not the terroristic methods) of some Irish Republicans). Thus Petey’s guilt by association of American-Muslims drives me nuts.

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Belafon  Sep 1, 2016 • 8:55:17am

re: #363 calochortus

I don’t think the number of days of instruction have increased in most places-the students just get more breaks during the year. This way teachers don’t really have the ability to take that traditional summer job that keeps them solvent…

The school years here in Texas were stretching from the beginning of August to the middle of June. The state passed a low fixing the beginning and end dates, due to pressure from the tourism industry (using it as a nebulous term to capture all things related to summer spending). Around here, the schools that were stretching the school years were the schools in cities where parents expected their kids to be ready for college - Rockwall, Allen, Frisco, McKinney, etc - and be able to skip college classes through AP exams or something equivalent. The further away you got from those cities, the shorter the years would get.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 1, 2016 • 8:55:50am

re: #378 Anymouse

Not the Indian Rugby Association?/s

Nor the Italian Ravoli Association.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 1, 2016 • 8:56:02am

re: #367 Dr Lizardo

Here in the Czech Republic, school starts on September 1st, unless it’s a weekend. If it’s a weekend, it starts the first Monday after.

‘Coz youse guys still got that godless communist Labor Day in May.

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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 1, 2016 • 8:56:19am

re: #379 A wild WITHAK appeared!

Yay, meaningless ritual over real solutions!

I always thought that the Pledge was creepy when I was a kid, and I don’t remember ever taking it seriously. In fact, if the teachers had been paying attention to the way we altered some of the words occasionally, we would have been in deep trouble.

We obediently recited the Pledge while in elementary school but by the time I got to high school (it was the ‘60’s) we would have jeered it, even mooned it.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 1, 2016 • 8:57:48am

re: #379 A wild WITHAK appeared!

Yay, meaningless ritual over real solutions!

I always thought that the Pledge was creepy when I was a kid, and I don’t remember ever taking it seriously. In fact, if the teachers had been paying attention to the way we altered some of the words occasionally, we would have been in deep trouble.

My brother and I were talking about it. I never liked it since it seemed force and he was saying that how robotic it sounded bothered him. He gets why the National Anthem is a little more sacred though I was interested to read more about the lyrics directed at the slaves who helped the British hoping for independence. I mean I knew Key was a slaveowner but didn’t know about that. Anyhow, part of freedom and liberty is the freedom to stand or not stand if you want to. It’s sad how people like Turmp and so many people don’t get that.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 1, 2016 • 8:58:19am

The pledge ironically enough written by a socialist pastor.

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TK-421  Sep 1, 2016 • 8:58:20am

“Ideological certification” should scare the fuck out of america.

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KGxvi  Sep 1, 2016 • 8:58:43am

re: #363 calochortus

I don’t think the number of days of instruction have increased in most places-the students just get more breaks during the year. This way teachers don’t really have the ability to take that traditional summer job that keeps them solvent…

I know a lot of districts in southern California have started giving students (and teachers) the full week of Thanksgiving off. And I’m sure there’s probably a few more days they get, but it just seems strange to me.

As for those who suggest it’s about testing… I just want to repeat my position that most of the standardized tests we impose on students are incredibly stupid.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 1, 2016 • 8:59:00am

“Your National Anthem is racist, therefore your nation is invalid.”

/

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 1, 2016 • 8:59:47am

re: #388 KGxvi

As for those who suggest it’s about testing… I just want to repeat my position that most of the standardized tests we impose on students are incredibly stupid.

We need objective standards so we have an excuse to cut funding.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 1, 2016 • 9:00:20am

re: #387 TK-421

“Ideological certification” should scare the fuck out of america.

It’s the kind of shit that was used to limit immigration from Eastern Europe because Trump’s ideological ancestors thought my ancestors were Bolsheviks and Anarchists. My great grandmother emigrated right before the 1924 Immigration Act. Saw the post from earlier from Richard Spencer who wants to bring that back and reverse the 1965 immigration law that loosened restrictions from other parts of the world.

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calochortus  Sep 1, 2016 • 9:01:10am

re: #388 KGxvi

I know a lot of districts in southern California have started giving students (and teachers) the full week of Thanksgiving off. And I’m sure there’s probably a few more days they get, but it just seems strange to me.

As for those who suggest it’s about testing… I just want to repeat my position that most of the standardized tests we impose on students are incredibly stupid.

Then there’s the ever-popular “winter break” a.k.a. “ski week” in late January and Presidents’ Birthday week in Feb. Whatever. I’m long past having kids in school, so it doesn’t matter much.

I definitely agree about the testing.

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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 1, 2016 • 9:01:16am

I saw this Tweet from Baby Whiplash and now I have to shove my fist in my mouth to keep from LOL

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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 1, 2016 • 9:01:40am

I think he likes his LGF nickname.

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TK-421  Sep 1, 2016 • 9:03:11am

The press is fucked. From NPR to local news, they won’t say exactly what LaPage said. Turning it into another MBF act of both sides do it. I used to like NPR but they’ve morphed into something different.

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A wild WITHAK appeared!  Sep 1, 2016 • 9:04:01am

re: #393 The Vicious Babushka

I saw this Tweet from Baby Whiplash and now I have to shove my fist in my mouth to keep from LOL

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WTF is he complaining about? The Dark Knight is on the list.

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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 1, 2016 • 9:04:44am

re: #396 A wild WITHAK appeared!

WTF is he complaining about? The Dark Knight is on the list.

He liked Batman vs Superman, which can die in a fire.

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Sir John Barron  Sep 1, 2016 • 9:04:47am

re: #379 A wild WITHAK appeared!

Yay, meaningless ritual over real solutions!

I always thought that the Pledge was creepy when I was a kid, and I don’t remember ever taking it seriously. In fact, if the teachers had been paying attention to the way we altered some of the words occasionally, we would have been in deep trouble.

I didn’t mind it as a kid, but I find it coercive when it’s done at the beginning of sporting events in which I attend. And then after 911 they started with the God Bless America during the 7th inning stretch and I’m just, No. I haven’t gone to a game this year but in the past I manage to arrange it that I’m getting food or something else during that time.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 1, 2016 • 9:05:29am

re: #393 The Vicious Babushka

I saw this Tweet from Baby Whiplash and now I have to shove my fist in my mouth to keep from LOL

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Any list that has Coen Brothers movies can’t be all bad.

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Anymouse  Sep 1, 2016 • 9:05:29am

re: #391 HappyWarrior

It’s the kind of shit that was used to limit immigration from Eastern Europe because Trump’s ideological ancestors thought my ancestors were Bolsheviks and Anarchists. My great grandmother emigrated right before the 1924 Immigration Act. Saw the post from earlier from Richard Spencer who wants to bring that back and reverse the 1965 immigration law that loosened restrictions from other parts of the world.

That, and they thought Eastern Europeans were intellectually inferior. (Eugenics and scientific racism was all the rage at the time.)

Good thing at least part of my family got out of Gdansk and arrived here immigration law or no. Those that didn’t, Stutthof Concentration Camp (Germany’s first such death camp outside its borders).

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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 1, 2016 • 9:05:47am

re: #398 Sir John Barron

I didn’t mind it as a kid, but I find it coercive when it’s done at the beginning of sporting events in which I attend. And then after 911 they started with the God Bless America during the 7th inning stretch and I’m just, No. I haven’t gone to a game this year but in the past I manage to arrange it that I’m getting food or something else during that time.

I’m just waiting for someone to Tweet a picture of a guy in a Trump shirt waiting in the beer line during the NA.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 1, 2016 • 9:06:03am

re: #395 TK-421

The press is fucked. From NPR to local news, they won’t say exactly what LaPage said. Turning it into another MBF act of both sides do it. I used to like NPR but they’ve morphed into something different.

They also have to make sure that they do not get their funding slashed…

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HappyWarrior  Sep 1, 2016 • 9:06:25am

re: #396 A wild WITHAK appeared!

WTF is he complaining about? The Dark Knight is on the list.

#33.

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Sir John Barron  Sep 1, 2016 • 9:06:50am

re: #387 TK-421

“Ideological certification” should scare the fuck out of america.

Ideological certification is to make sure we aren’t being politically correct.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 1, 2016 • 9:06:52am

re: #401 The Vicious Babushka

I’m just waiting for someone to Tweet a picture of a guy in a Trump shirt waiting in the beer line during the NA.

as long as he is standing…

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Bubblehead II  Sep 1, 2016 • 9:06:52am
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Sir John Barron  Sep 1, 2016 • 9:07:20am

re: #397 The Vicious Babushka

He liked Batman vs Superman, which can die in a fire.

Still haven’t seen yet. Maybe this weekend on pay-per-view.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 1, 2016 • 9:08:14am

re: #394 The Vicious Babushka

I think he likes his LGF nickname.

I did hear that movie was quite good. That Miles Teller is a good young and up comer. Also has the always great J.K Simmons. Ben should realize though that movie listings are just that. People are going to disagree. I’ve always felt Citizen Kane while technically a well done and innovative movie was fairly boring. I also think that Revolution Road is one of Leo’s best movies but that’s in part because I love the novel.

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Dr Lizardo  Sep 1, 2016 • 9:08:16am

re: #407 Sir John Barron

Still haven’t seen yet. Maybe this weekend on pay-per-view.

From what I gather, Zack Snyder’s Director’s Cut (basically, the R-rated version of the film) is supposed to be much better than the theatrical release.

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A wild WITHAK appeared!  Sep 1, 2016 • 9:08:41am

re: #407 Sir John Barron

Still haven’t seen yet. Maybe this weekend on pay-per-view.

Yeah, I had intended to hate-watch that in the fancy theater with a few beers; now I can do it in the comfort of my own home, with cheaper drinks and no other patrons!

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danarchy  Sep 1, 2016 • 9:09:53am

re: #393 The Vicious Babushka

I saw this Tweet from Baby Whiplash and now I have to shove my fist in my mouth to keep from LOL

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He is right though, that is the worst list ever. There are a few good movies on there, but if I were forced to watch that list in marathon style I might kill myself.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 1, 2016 • 9:10:23am

re: #400 Anymouse

That, and they thought Eastern Europeans were intellectually inferior. (Eugenics and scientific racism was all the rage at the time.)

Good thing at least part of my family got out of Gdansk and arrived here immigration law or no. Those that didn’t, Stutthof Concentration Camp (Germany’s first such death camp outside its borders).

We still have family in Slovakia. One of my cousins is the mayor of the village even. But you’re right, there was racism directed at Slavs and before them the Irish and Italians. It’s that kind of stuff why I always laugh when white supremacists ask white people to “unite.” Why the hell would I want to unite with people like you(not you AM but the white supremacists) who put down my ancestors because they weren’t Anglo-Saxon Protestants. I’ve said it before. I’m a proud mutt.

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Sir John Barron  Sep 1, 2016 • 9:11:17am

re: #393 The Vicious Babushka

I saw this Tweet from Baby Whiplash and now I have to shove my fist in my mouth to keep from LOL

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I thought Baby Whiplash would be more outraged by #40.

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Sir John Barron  Sep 1, 2016 • 9:12:48am

re: #408 HappyWarrior

I did hear that movie was quite good. That Miles Teller is a good young and up comer. Also has the always great J.K Simmons. Ben should realize though that movie listings are just that. People are going to disagree. I’ve always felt Citizen Kane while technically a well done and innovative movie was fairly boring. I also think that Revolution Road is one of Leo’s best movies but that’s in part because I love the novel.

Lefties are so sensitive and PC and This list is the worst list ever how come my favorite water-boarding movie isn’t #1??.

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Anymouse  Sep 1, 2016 • 9:13:23am

OT: Great news! The village’s automated tornado siren just fired.

The automated part of that hasn’t worked since this spring; the village finally got it repaired.

I have been on duty all summer (minus the time I was in Canada) to go out and push the manual button in case of a tornado warning. My favourite way of hunkering down for a tornado is to go outside and push a button. (I am the closest trustee to the tornado siren, so I get the job.)

The Storm Prediction Center has us up in the Nebraska Panhandle for slight chance of tornadoes today, due to landfalling Tropical Storm Hermine in Florida. (The storm is affecting our weather here.)

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 1, 2016 • 9:14:47am

re: #412 HappyWarrior

We still have family in Slovakia. One of my cousins is the mayor of the village even. But you’re right, there was racism directed at Slavs and before them the Irish and Italians. It’s that kind of stuff why I always laugh when white supremacists ask white people to “unite.” Why the hell would I want to unite with people like you(not you AM but the white supremacists) who put down my ancestors because they weren’t Anglo-Saxon Protestants. I’ve said it before. I’m a proud mutt.

Our family changed the spelling of our name, it used to contain a -cz- in the middle, to a
-ch- spelling.

I am not sure if this was done by the officials at Ellis island or if they simply did not want to sound like a Hungarian anarchist and presidential assassin (Leon Czolgosz, who shot President McKinley)

Probably the former, although the family probably preferred it that way

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HappyWarrior  Sep 1, 2016 • 9:14:56am

re: #414 Sir John Barron

Lefties are so sensitive and PC and This list is the worst list ever how come my favorite water-boarding movie isn’t #1??.

Yeah he comes off childish calling it the worst list ever.

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Timothy Watson  Sep 1, 2016 • 9:14:58am

Fuck you BBC:

For the purposes of this poll we have decided that a list of the greatest films of the 21st Century should include the year 2000, even though we recognise that there was no ‘Year Zero’ and that 2001 is mathematically the start of the century. Not only did we all celebrate the turn of the millennium on 31 December 1999, but the year 2000 was a landmark in global cinema, and, in particular, saw the emergence of new classics from Asia like nothing we had ever seen before.

“We admit that we’re wrong, but we’re still right.”

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Anymouse  Sep 1, 2016 • 9:16:51am

re: #418 Timothy Watson

Fuck you BBC:

“We admit that we’re wrong, but we’re still right.”

Yup. No decent films from Asia before 2000.

What is a “new classic?”

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Sir John Barron  Sep 1, 2016 • 9:17:59am

re: #398 Sir John Barron

I didn’t mind it as a kid, but I find it coercive when it’s done at the beginning of sporting events in which I attend. And then after 911 they started with the God Bless America during the 7th inning stretch and I’m just, No. I haven’t gone to a game this year but in the past I manage to arrange it that I’m getting food or something else during that time.

I’m not saying the sports teams or stadiums shouldn’t have the NA before games. I just don’t particularly care for it. People express their patriotism in different ways.

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Timothy Watson  Sep 1, 2016 • 9:18:22am

re: #419 Anymouse

Yup. No decent films from Asia before 2000.

Yeah, no one’s ever seen Rashomon after all.

(One of the few foreign films I’ve actually seen.)

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HappyWarrior  Sep 1, 2016 • 9:18:36am

re: #416 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Our family changed the spelling of our name, it used to contain a -cz- in the middle, to a
-ch- spelling.

I am not sure if this was done by the officials at Ellis island or if they simply did not want to sound like a Hungarian anarchist and presidential assassin (Leon Czolgosz, who shot President McKinley)

Probably the former, although the family probably preferred it that way

I have something like that on my mom’s dad’s side. His father’s name was much more Slavic sounding but it was changed (he always told us by a teacher) to something more IMO Germanic sounding. Don’t know why they changed it.

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Dr Lizardo  Sep 1, 2016 • 9:19:25am

re: #419 Anymouse

Yup. No decent films from Asia before 2000.

The Scent Of Green Papaya? Yeah, totally didn’t happen in 1993.

imdb.com

*headdesk at BBC fail*

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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 1, 2016 • 9:19:30am

re: #416 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Our family changed the spelling of our name, it used to contain a -cz- in the middle, to a
-ch- spelling.

I am not sure if this was done by the officials at Ellis island or if they simply did not want to sound like a Hungarian anarchist and presidential assassin (Leon Czolgosz, who shot President McKinley)

Probably the former, although the family probably preferred it that way

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ChuckJager95  Sep 1, 2016 • 9:19:55am

re: #421 Timothy Watson

Yeah, no one’s ever seen Rashomon after all.

(One of the few foreign films I’ve actually seen.)

“High and Low? Seven Samurai? Garbage!”

EDIT: Misread their criteria, carry on

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Anymouse  Sep 1, 2016 • 9:20:35am

re: #416 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Our family changed the spelling of our name, it used to contain a -cz- in the middle, to a -ch- spelling.

As for me, you will pry the cz off the end of my surname only when I am dead.

As for my Polish relatives in Massachusetts, I like the idea they have so many consonants in their name with only one vowel. (Ten letters, one vowel.)

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HappyWarrior  Sep 1, 2016 • 9:21:22am

re: #423 Dr Lizardo

The Scent Of Green Papaya? Yeah, totally didn’t happen in 1993.

imdb.com

*headdesk at BBC fail*

I thought the list was supposed to be purely 21st century? Anyhow, Rashomon was a good one. My brother told me he wanted to see some Kurosawa films and I recommened that one. Very technically well done but also very compelling story too. I remember seeing a Chinese one I liked in Chinese history class called Red Sorghum that was pretty interesting too. I do like foreign films. Silent films less so though I did like the Buster Keaton and Charlie Chaplin films I saw when I took film study class as an elective.

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TK-421  Sep 1, 2016 • 9:22:31am

My favorite Indian movie was “Salaam Bombay”. See it if you haven’t.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 1, 2016 • 9:22:49am

re: #426 Anymouse

As for me, you will pry the cz off the end of my surname only when I am dead.

As for my Polish relatives in Massachusetts, I like the idea they have so many consonants in their name with only one vowel. (Ten letters, one vowel.)

It gets more fun now that I have moved back to Germany and they insist on pronouncing the -ch- in my name as a German guttural ch (like Channukah) instead of the sibilliant (church)

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Dr Lizardo  Sep 1, 2016 • 9:22:53am

re: #421 Timothy Watson

Yeah, no one’s ever seen Rashomon after all.

(One of the few foreign films I’ve actually seen.)

Shichinin no samurai (Seven Samurai) from 1956 or 1953’s Tôkyô monogatari (Tokyo Story) - yeah, no one’s ever heard of those. Totally not at all regarded as two of the greatest films ever made. Yep.

*sigh*

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HappyWarrior  Sep 1, 2016 • 9:23:05am

re: #426 Anymouse

As for me, you will pry the cz off the end of my surname only when I am dead.

As for my Polish relatives in Massachusetts, I like the idea they have so many consonants in their name with only one vowel. (Ten letters, one vowel.)

Rusyn Slovak- -cik :). I think the Hungarians made it -chik. It’s always interesting to find the old baptismal records that were either done in Magyar or Latin. They’re still a stateless people to this day. Poland is literally within walking distance of my great grandpa’s home village.

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Anymouse  Sep 1, 2016 • 9:23:10am

On names:

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 1, 2016 • 9:24:15am

re: #428 TK-421

My favorite Indian movie was “Salaam Bombay”. See it if you haven’t.

I think I saw that one. Used to go watch a lot of foreign films at the local Art Cinema. Remember going to see “La Cage Aux Folles”, not knowing at all what it was about, and laughing my ass off.

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makeitstop  Sep 1, 2016 • 9:24:15am

Trump is ranting in Ohio today.

Nothing has kicked off yet (late as usual), but I’m looking at the live stream and the crowd is looking pretty sparse.

Scratch that - very sparse. Looks like a bunch of olds wandering aimlessly. Walkers in plain sight.

Maybe they’re waiting for the drugs to kick in before he hits the stage. Don’t wanna look low-energy or anything…

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Timothy Watson  Sep 1, 2016 • 9:24:42am

re: #427 HappyWarrior

I thought the list was supposed to be purely 21st century? Anyhow, Rashomon was a good one. My brother told me he wanted to see some Kurosawa films and I recommened that one. Very technically well done but also very compelling story too. I remember seeing a Chinese one I liked in Chinese history class called Red Sorghum that was pretty interesting too. I do like foreign films. Silent films less so though I did like the Buster Keaton and Charlie Chaplin films I saw when I took film study class as an elective.

It is, but they included the year 2000 in the 21 Century because “the year 2000 was a landmark in global cinema, and, in particular, saw the emergence of new classics from Asia like nothing we had ever seen before.”

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 1, 2016 • 9:25:22am

re: #431 HappyWarrior

Rusyn Slovak- -cik :). I think the Hungarians made it -chik. It’s always interesting to find the old baptismal records that were either done in Magyar or Latin. They’re still a stateless people to this day. Poland is literally within walking distance of my great grandpa’s home village.

Ditto here. Not walking distance, but Krakow and L’viv were the nearest big cities.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 1, 2016 • 9:26:14am

re: #435 Timothy Watson

It is, but they included the year 2000 in the 21 Century because “the year 2000 was a landmark in global cinema, and, in particular, saw the emergence of new classics from Asia like nothing we had ever seen before.”

Aha! That makes sense. Anyhow, I do need to see more foreign films. Here’s a good German one though- The Lives of Others. Probably the only film I’ve aver seen set in the GDR.

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makeitstop  Sep 1, 2016 • 9:26:15am

Weird. Now the NBC feed says ‘This live stream has ended.’

Maybe they couldn’t wake his old ass up.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 1, 2016 • 9:27:33am

re: #436 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Ditto here. Not walking distance, but Krakow and L’viv were the nearest big cities.

Family legend is that my great grandfather worked in Siberia as a young man before emigrating to the US. I always thought that was odd since Slovakia was Austro-Hungarian empire turf but seeing where he was born and raised, it all makes sense now. Still love that I got a shot of Jager from a Slovak bartender in Vienna for being part Slovak. Fun times!

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ObserverArt  Sep 1, 2016 • 9:27:51am

Dang…can’t get any work done and keep up with the thread!

I have one question in two parts…maybe it has been covered.

1a - Where the heck has Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren been lately?

1b.- Are politicians like them abandoning Hillary at an important time?

It almost seems like everyone has gone silent…like maybe they do not like how Clinton is running the campaign. Maybe they did not like her going after Trump on the alt-right thing or something or all the talk about Republicans like Negroponte endorsing her.

Yes, it concerns me. It is just too damn important to keep Trump away from that office to be butt hurt over anything.

I hope it is just a wait until after Labor Day thing.

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Anymouse  Sep 1, 2016 • 9:28:24am

Mike Pence under fire for sitting on lead results in water for two years before they were reported.
wateronline.com

Seems to be a problem with GOP governors… .

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Dr Lizardo  Sep 1, 2016 • 9:29:37am

re: #437 HappyWarrior

Aha! That makes sense. Anyhow, I do need to see more foreign films. Here’s a good German one though- The Lives of Others. Probably the only film I’ve aver seen set in the GDR.

That’s an outstanding film.

From Turkey: Once Upon In Anatolia or Winter Sleep from director Nuri Bilge Ceylan.

imdb.com

imdb.com

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Sir John Barron  Sep 1, 2016 • 9:30:20am

re: #440 ObserverArt

It almost seems like everyone has gone silent…like maybe they do not like how Clinton is running the campaign. Maybe they did not like her going after Trump on the alt-right thing or something or all the talk about Republicans like Negroponte endorsing her.

I’m pretty sure that’s not it. Bernie I don’t know about. But I imagine we’ll be hearing more from Warren and others after Labor Day. Biden and Obama will be hitting the trail, too. Of course the media might continue making everything about Trump.

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Belafon  Sep 1, 2016 • 9:31:32am

re: #440 ObserverArt

Dang…can’t get any work done and keep up with the thread!

I have one question in two parts…maybe it has been covered.

1a - Where the heck has Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren been lately?

1b.- Are politicians like them abandoning Hillary at an important time?

It almost seems like everyone has gone silent…like maybe they do not like how Clinton is running the campaign. Maybe they did not like her going after Trump on the alt-right thing or something or all the talk about Republicans like Negroponte endorsing her.

Yes, it concerns me. It is just too damn important to keep Trump away from that office to be butt hurt over anything.

I hope it is just a wait until after Labor Day thing.

I think the Clinton campaign is mainly waiting on that stuff until after Labor Day. But there was a report that Sanders has started helping campaign for Congressional races.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 1, 2016 • 9:31:39am

re: #440 ObserverArt

1a - Where the heck has Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren been lately?

I hope it is just a wait until after Labor Day thing.

Bernie does not surprise me, but yeah, what about Elizabeth?

Maybe she’s just enjoying summer recess…

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HappyWarrior  Sep 1, 2016 • 9:33:02am

re: #444 Belafon

I think the Clinton campaign is mainly waiting on that stuff until after Labor Day. But there was a report that Sanders has started helping campaign for Congressional races.

I’m hoping with college starting up again, Bernie makes his way to some of the campuses.

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Anymouse  Sep 1, 2016 • 9:34:12am

Sun’s up, time for bed.

Night y’all (for varying definitions of “night”)

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makeitstop  Sep 1, 2016 • 9:34:30am

Some commenters on TPM are saying that he did appear, and spoke for less than 10 minutes.

Very strange.

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Timothy Watson  Sep 1, 2016 • 9:35:20am

re: #448 makeitstop

Some commenters on TPM are saying that he did appear, and spoke for less than 10 minutes.

Very strange.

Low energy! Sad!

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Stanley Sea  Sep 1, 2016 • 9:36:12am

Missed this!

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makeitstop  Sep 1, 2016 • 9:39:11am

From ‘steviedee111’ at TPM:

On and done in a blink. Content free pablum throughtout (sic). Millions of new jobs. Companies will no longer leave the U.S. ISIS will be defeated. The world can’t believe what’s become of America (said without a hint of irony or self reflection, ha!). Roads, bridges, dams and airports will be rebuilt. Taxes will be lowered. Regulations will be eliminated. People wanting to come hear (sic) must love America and love Americans before entry. Extreme vetting. America will once again be one culture shared by one people (I guess Quakers, Amish, Mennonites can all leave?). Essentially elect Trump and nirvana will envelop the nation.

Either he’s losing interest completely, or something else is up.

I’m leaning towards exhaustion. It would be irresponsible not to speculate.

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Sir John Barron  Sep 1, 2016 • 9:42:33am

re: #448 makeitstop

Some commenters on TPM are saying that he did appear, and spoke for less than 10 minutes.

Very strange.

Where was this? The American Legion speech in Ohio?

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A wild WITHAK appeared!  Sep 1, 2016 • 9:43:16am

re: #451 makeitstop

From ‘steviedee111’ at TPM:

Either he’s losing interest completely, or something else is up.

I’m leaning towards exhaustion. It would be irresponsible not to speculate.

I heard from a reputable source that he has super-syphilis.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 1, 2016 • 9:43:26am

re: #450 Stanley Sea

Missed this!

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DUDEEEEEEEEEE!

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Sep 1, 2016 • 9:45:03am

Trump Partisans Praise Their Hero:

He has worked and made mistakes but he could handle being president

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mmmirele  Sep 1, 2016 • 9:45:42am

I sent more money to Hillary. Every time the short-fingered vulgarian makes a speech like the one last night in Phoenix, I feel like I have to do my duty to make sure he never sees the inside of the Oval Office, EVER.

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SteelPH  Sep 1, 2016 • 9:46:36am

re: #453 A wild WITHAK appeared!

I heard from a reputable source that he has super-syphilis.

My sources say he has Foot-In-Mouth Disease.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Sep 1, 2016 • 9:49:37am

re: #441 Anymouse

Mike Pence under fire for sitting on lead results in water for two years before they were reported.
wateronline.com

Seems to be a problem with GOP governors… .

Been covered here locally. Residents will be forced to move within 90 days with barely any help from the state. Just some $ thrown at them.

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makeitstop  Sep 1, 2016 • 9:50:22am

re: #452 Sir John Barron

Where was this? The American Legion speech in Ohio?

It only said ‘Wilmington, Ohio’ in the description.

But it could have been. Before the stream went to color bars, it showed the crowd. Like I said, it looked more than half empty with people just milling around.

Maybe he saw that it wasn’t a yooge crowd and just decided to mail it in.

Or exhaustion. Must be rough on an old, possibly sick dude, flying all over the place. Poor thing is most likely very tired, and likely very ill.

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Sir John Barron  Sep 1, 2016 • 9:52:33am

re: #448 makeitstop

Some commenters on TPM are saying that he did appear, and spoke for less than 10 minutes.

Very strange.

Maybe he didn’t like the non-yuuuuge crowd.

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lawhawk  Sep 1, 2016 • 9:55:04am

Space X was testing the rocket before launch. The craft and its payload - a satellite owned by an Israeli company - was destroyed:

Amos 6, the private satellite the rocket was due to carry into Earth’s orbit Saturday, was slated to provide communication services including home internet for Africa, the Middle East, and Europe for a partnership between Facebook (FB, Tech30) and French satellite firm Eutelsat Communications. The satellite was owned by Israeli company Spacecom, which contracted with SpaceX to carry it into orbit. Facebook has not responded to requests for comment.

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makeitstop  Sep 1, 2016 • 9:59:58am

Now I’m wondering what the shrieking heads wold be saying right now if Hillary cut a campaign speech short…

Meanwhile, nothing on NBC News’ site. Not even a mention of the appearance. Nada.

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makeitstop  Sep 1, 2016 • 10:03:45am

Here’s a local review.

“We’ll keep America out of (Trans-Pacific Partnership) … It’s going to be ‘America first’,” Drumpf said.

Trump said he would bring about tax cuts, school choice, an end to Common Core standards and a replacement for Obamacare.

“I’m fighting for everyone who doesn’t have a voice,” Trump said. “I am your voice.”

Sorry, old man. Not my voice. Never in a million years.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Sep 1, 2016 • 10:04:03am

Chicago boss of the Fraternal Order of Police just told CPD officers to not take overtime this weekend. I guess there’s one Union Republicans will support.

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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 1, 2016 • 10:08:04am

Automatic Blocking Function triggered==>

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Timothy Watson  Sep 1, 2016 • 10:09:07am

re: #465 The Vicious Babushka

Automatic Blocking Function triggered==>

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RWNJ using a picture from Dr. Strangelove?

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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 1, 2016 • 10:09:34am

TOMORROW BELONGS TO ME

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Belafon  Sep 1, 2016 • 10:10:06am

re: #463 makeitstop

Here’s a local review.

Sorry, old man. Not my voice. Never in a million years.

He wants to be a voice for all those white people who don’t understand why the n*****s and wet***** aren’t afraid of them any more.

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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 1, 2016 • 10:10:11am

re: #466 Timothy Watson

RWNJ using a picture from Dr. Strangelove?

The Good Old Days when you could launch all the nukes you wanted!

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lawhawk  Sep 1, 2016 • 10:10:23am

re: #466 Timothy Watson

Particularly ironic given that Trump seems to be a cross between Gen. Ripper, Major Kong, and Strangelove himself. Mein Fuhrer! I can walk!!!!!

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lawhawk  Sep 1, 2016 • 10:10:54am
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Timothy Watson  Sep 1, 2016 • 10:12:39am

re: #470 lawhawk

Particularly ironic given that Trump seems to be a cross between Gen. Ripper, Major Kong, and Strangelove himself. Mein Fuhrer! I can walk!!!!!

And the Freudian excuses of many characters in the film versus the Freudian obsession with guns today among the RWNJs.

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makeitstop  Sep 1, 2016 • 10:13:03am

re: #467 The Vicious Babushka

TOMORROW BELONGS TO ME

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That’s not a pic from today’s venue. The stage didn’t have the flags.

More bullshit.

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KGxvi  Sep 1, 2016 • 10:14:45am

re: #463 makeitstop

Here’s a local review.

Sorry, old man. Not my voice. Never in a million years.

So, apparently the wingnuts don’t seem to understand that they have a voice, because they managed to elect a bunch of Tea Party idiots… their problem is just that their voice has spent the last eight years say “no, fuck you, fuck you, LALALALALALA CAN’T HEAR YOU!”

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Bubblehead II  Sep 1, 2016 • 10:20:12am

Falcon 9 explosion occurred during propellant loading.

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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 1, 2016 • 10:26:37am

Automatic Blocking Function triggered==>

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Alephnaught  Sep 1, 2016 • 10:30:36am

re: #476 The Vicious Babushka

Automatic Blocking Function triggered==>

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What’s the Angry Bird profile pic about? Is this tweep indicating he has the mental capacity of an angry bird?

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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 1, 2016 • 10:31:54am

re: #477 Alephnaught

What’s the Angry Bird profile pic about? Is this tweep indicating he has the mental capacity of an angry bird?

I did not ask nor did I bother to view its timeline. The #FreeMilo hashtag told me everything I need to know.

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Timothy Watson  Sep 1, 2016 • 10:32:37am

re: #477 Alephnaught

What’s the Angry Bird profile pic about? Is this tweep indicating he has the mental capacity of an angry bird?

I would say yes, given the photoshop of the Starship Troopers film. I guess he didn’t realize the film was a parody.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 1, 2016 • 10:34:52am

re: #479 Timothy Watson

I would say yes, given the photoshop of the Starship Troopers film. I guess he didn’t realize the film was a parody.

This immigrant is scared!

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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 1, 2016 • 10:35:26am
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Mattand  Sep 1, 2016 • 10:37:05am

Off-topic: just finished up the latest Bob and Chez podcast, which basically ended with another one of their “We’re liberal and we’re proud to say “Fuck Islam” rants.

I get the points they’re trying to make; a burqua or a “burkini”, in this case, is dumb IMO. It’s just that every time I hear them go on one of these rants, all I hear are my relatives going “I don’t hate black people, just the n*****s that cause all the crime.”

My relatives then flip their shit every time they see a black person, because, you just never know what those people are going to do.

It’s the same goddamn thing with these guys. It’s the whole “I’m not saying all Muslims are all monsters, but <insert rant about how Islam is a danger to the free world here>.”

I’m atheist for a reason. There’s plenty to pick apart about Islam. It’s a religion. But goddamn; these guys sound like every “I’m not a bigot, but…” rocket scientist I’ve met in my life.

Still find it interesting that they’re the official podcast of this blog, given the ideological 180 that this site underwent. I realize you’re never going to agree with anyone 100%, but still…

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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 1, 2016 • 10:37:58am

LOL

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Jenner7  Sep 1, 2016 • 10:39:17am

I guess Trump didn’t sound Hiltery enough for journalists, so we got two nothingburger stories on Bill and Hillary.

First one Hillary emailed someone at the state department and Bill used existing law for ex presidents to pay staff.

I hate our media.

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Interesting Times  Sep 1, 2016 • 10:39:22am

re: #483 The Vicious Babushka

LOL

Army Aviator @Dr__JamesRustle
@viciousbabushka @HillaryClinton while DJT’s website crashed because he was getting so many donations after his speech.
1:36 PM - 1 Sep 2016

Recurring donations that can never be cancelled, so checkmate, libtards.

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jaunte  Sep 1, 2016 • 10:39:35am

re: #482 Mattand

Yes, I don’t understand how they miss the middle ground of objecting to women being forced to wear what a man tells them to wear no matter where that happens.

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gwangung  Sep 1, 2016 • 10:41:22am

re: #483 The Vicious Babushka

LOL

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Doesn’t say much about his competence, does it?

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Sir John Barron  Sep 1, 2016 • 10:43:52am

re: #478 The Vicious Babushka

I did not ask nor did I bother to view its timeline. The #FreeMilo hashtag told me everything I need to know.

What is “MAGA”? Another wingnut acronym I guess.

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sagehen  Sep 1, 2016 • 10:44:24am

re: #415 Anymouse

OT: Great news! The village’s automated tornado siren just fired.

The automated part of that hasn’t worked since this spring; the village finally got it repaired.

Um… great news if it’s a test run and now you know it’s working. Congrats.

Not great news if it means you’re going to be whisked off to Oz by the end of the day. Be safe.

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jaunte  Sep 1, 2016 • 10:44:25am

re: #488 Sir John Barron

“Make America Grotesquely Awful”

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lawhawk  Sep 1, 2016 • 10:44:39am
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makeitstop  Sep 1, 2016 • 10:45:02am

re: #488 Sir John Barron

What is “MAGA”? Another wingnut acronym I guess.

Make America great again.

I personally prefer ‘MMGAA.’

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lawhawk  Sep 1, 2016 • 10:45:02am

re: #488 Sir John Barron

Make America great again.

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Kragar  Sep 1, 2016 • 10:45:09am

re: #488 Sir John Barron

Make
America
Great
Again

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Bubblehead II  Sep 1, 2016 • 10:45:49am

re: #491 lawhawk

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Damn, beat me to it. :-)

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Alephnaught  Sep 1, 2016 • 10:46:01am

re: #483 The Vicious Babushka

LOL

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Obvious question, but is it an established fact that the website crashed at all?

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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 1, 2016 • 10:47:07am
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Kragar  Sep 1, 2016 • 10:49:10am
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Kragar  Sep 1, 2016 • 10:50:51am
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Timothy Watson  Sep 1, 2016 • 10:55:02am

re: #496 Alephnaught

Obvious question, but is it an established fact that the website crashed at all?

And if it did, I am sure it had as much to do with Trump’s campaign using the lowest bidder and worst service than anything to do with the amount of traffic.

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Sir John Barron  Sep 1, 2016 • 10:56:37am

re: #494 Kragar

Make
America
Great
Again

Are you f*$*#A)@ kidding me?

Only TGDN is dumber.

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Sir John Barron  Sep 1, 2016 • 10:59:09am

re: #501 Sir John Barron

Are you f*$*#A)@ kidding me?

Only TGDN is dumber.

The Donald Trump cult has to be the lamest cult of all-time, with the possible exception of the Sarah Palin cult.

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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 1, 2016 • 10:59:40am

re: #496 Alephnaught

Obvious question, but is it an established fact that the website crashed at all?

Well, SMOTI reported it

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Sir John Barron  Sep 1, 2016 • 11:00:02am

re: #503 The Vicious Babushka

Well, SMOTI reported it

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Well, we have to believe it then.

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Decatur Deb  Sep 1, 2016 • 11:01:41am

re: #470 lawhawk

Particularly ironic given that Trump seems to be a cross between Gen. Ripper, Major Kong, and Strangelove himself. Mein Fuhrer! I can walk!!!!!

Leave Major Kong out of this—he was the only competent professional in the movie.

—Friends of Kong

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Sir John Barron  Sep 1, 2016 • 11:02:46am

re: #503 The Vicious Babushka

BREAKING: Trump Website CRASHES Due to HIGH VOLUME of Donors After Immigration Speech thegatewaypundit.com via @gatewaypundit
— Jim Hoft

Shouldn’t a website be Great enough to handle a rush of donations?

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Alephnaught  Sep 1, 2016 • 11:02:52am

re: #500 Timothy Watson

And if it did, I am sure it had as much to do with Trump’s campaign using the lowest bidder and worst service than anything to do with the amount of traffic.

Well, yes. If it did, but, given Trump and his supporters, we can’t even rely on that.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 1, 2016 • 11:03:59am

re: #506 Sir John Barron

Shouldn’t a website be Great enough to handle a rush of donations?

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probably designed by an unpaid twelve-year-old in Ohio

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Alephnaught  Sep 1, 2016 • 11:05:03am

re: #503 The Vicious Babushka

Well, SMOTI reported it

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Which is about as far from an established fact as one can get.

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makeitstop  Sep 1, 2016 • 11:08:44am

re: #508 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

probably designed by an unpaid twelve-year-old in Ohio

Actually, his web guy is one of the few people who actually gets paid, and he gets paid a bunch - over $8 mil in July.

But like everyone else involved with the campaign, he’s a little shady.

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ObserverArt  Sep 1, 2016 • 11:10:42am

If anyone wants to watch…here is YouTube video of Trump in Ohio today at the American Legions in Cincinnati. It was up on the Columbus Dispatch site. I’ll post some of the article in a second. I have not watched, so no idea what’s in it.

Donald Trump Rally in Wilmington, OH 9/1/16

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ObserverArt  Sep 1, 2016 • 11:13:58am

Here is a bit of The Columbus Dispatch article on Trump in Ohio today.

Trump calls for changes to keep ‘terrorists and extremists out of our country’

CINCINNATI — Less than 24 hours after detailing his plan to control immigration, Donald Trump took the stage a couple of thousand miles away at the American Legion national convention this morning said the changes are needed “to help keep terrorists and extremists out of our country.”

“We have enough problems. We don’t need that one. That includes stopping the influx of Syrian refugees,” he told the Legionnaires from across the country.

But, in somewhat of a rarity, he also painted a bright future for the U.S.

“It will be an inclusive society, one that offers hope and opportunity to every part of this country — including our inner cities. We will ensure that every child in this land, including African-American and Hispanic children, are put on the American ladder of success: a good education, which they’re not getting now,” he said.

“In this future, we will have an honest government — and that includes an honest State Department, not pay-for-play,” Trump said.

In a departure from his script to acknowledge that Democrat Hillary Clinton spoke to the group Wednesday afternoon, he quipped, “She probably didn’t mention that to you yesterday.”

He added that “government access and favors will no longer be for sale, and important email records will no longer be deleted and digitally altered, which is something they just found out two days ago — bleached.”

Trump called for a “total reform” of the Veterans Administration.

“We’re going to give you fantastic service. It’s going to happen. Believe me,” he said.

“People are not doing to die waiting in line to see a doctor. It’s not going to happen.”

The Clinton campaign responded by saying how Trump has demonstrated disrespect for veterans “from firing employees because of their military service, to lying about donations to veterans’ charities, to scamming veterans through Trump University.” They also assembled a pair of Democratic veterans outside the Duke Energy Convention Center to pan his speech.

- - CUT - - More at link.

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makeitstop  Sep 1, 2016 • 11:14:06am

re: #511 ObserverArt

If anyone wants to watch…here is YouTube video of Trump in Ohio today at the American Legions in Cincinnati. It was up on the Columbus Dispatch site. I’ll post some of the article in a second. I have not watched, so no idea what’s in it.

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Video

Ten seconds of Rudy and I bailed.

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EmmaAnne  Sep 1, 2016 • 11:15:25am

re: #482 Mattand

I get the points they’re trying to make; a burqua or a “burkini”, in this case, is dumb IMO.

Burkas are awful (IMO) because they are smotheringly hot and heavy and the women can’t see properly out of them. Their isn’t anything wrong with Burkinis, though, in spite of the name similarity. They just cover up more skin, but they are comfortable and practical. And pretty cute I think.

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EPR-radar  Sep 1, 2016 • 11:15:27am

re: #502 Sir John Barron

The Donald Trump cult has to be the lamest cult of all-time, with the possible exception of the Sarah Palin cult.

I’m sure GOP primary and general election campaigns in the 2020 election will provide instances of worse crap than the Trump or Palin cults.

The GOP is in a perpetual state of “the worst shit to date”.

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Sir John Barron  Sep 1, 2016 • 11:16:59am

re: #512 ObserverArt

“In this future, we will have an honest government — and that includes an honest State Department, not pay-for-play,” Trump said.

Does Trump know of any country, leader, person, whoever, that was involved in any kind of pay for play deal? I’m guessing not.

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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 1, 2016 • 11:17:46am

FAKE OUTRAGE NOTHINGBURGER OF THE DAY
Bill Clinton donated his entire pension (which all former Presidents are entitled to receive)

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lawhawk  Sep 1, 2016 • 11:18:05am

The circle of derpularity. Alex Jones always seems to work his way into this.

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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 1, 2016 • 11:18:31am

re: #514 EmmaAnne

Burkas are awful (IMO) because they are smotheringly hot and heavy and the women can’t see properly out of them. Their isn’t anything wrong with Burkinis, though, in spite of the name similarity. They just cover up more skin, but they are comfortable and practical. And pretty cute I think.

Not to mention very practical if you want to go to the beach but don’t want to get Zika.

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ObserverArt  Sep 1, 2016 • 11:31:50am

re: #516 Sir John Barron

Does Trump know of any country, leader, person, whoever, that was involved in any kind of pay for play deal? I’m guessing not.

You are asking for facts! Don’t you know any better? /

This is already accepted as the trooth* by the wing nuts and Trumpians. Even some in the media have used the words to hint it…so that makes it real.

*Trooth…not real truth.


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