Hispanic Trump Surrogates Bailing Out After “Mass Deportation” Speech in Phoenix

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By now it’s no secret that Donald Trump’s “outreach” to African Americans and Hispanics isn’t working; his poll numbers with these groups remain abysmally low. In the latest survey by Public Policy Polling, Trump’s approval rating among African Americans currently stands at approximately zero.

Yes, I said “zero.”

And after his extremist anti-immigration rant last night, even his own campaign’s few Latino surrogates are starting to admit Trump’s outreach effort is a scam.

Jacob Monty, a member of Trump’s National Hispanic Advisory Council, quickly resigned after the speech. Another member, Ramiro Pena, a Texas pastor, said Trump’s speech likely cost him the election and said he’d have to reconsider being part of a “scam.” And Alfonso Aguilar, the president of the Latino Partnership for Conservative Principles, said in an interview that he is “inclined” to pull his support.

“I was a strong supporter of Donald Trump when I believed he was going to address the immigration problem realistically and compassionately,” said Monty, a Houston attorney who has aggressively made the Latino case for Trump. “What I heard today was not realistic and not compassionate.”

He withdrew from the board following Trump’s speech in Phoenix, which was heavy on calls for border security and emphasized that all immigrants in the country illegally were subject to deportation.

Pena delivered a harsh condemnation in an email to senior Trump and Republican National Committee leaders, obtained by POLITICO.

“I am so sorry but I believe Mr. Trump lost the election tonight,” said Pena, a pastor at Waco’s Christ the King Church. “The ‘National Hispanic Advisory Council’ seems to be simply for optics and I do not have the time or energy for a scam.”

Of course, Trump did solidify his support among one demographic group: White Supremacists Absolutely Loved Trump’s Anti-Immigrant Speech in Phoenix.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 1, 2016 • 11:22:33am

I really hope Trump suffers an epic loss in November. Let the GOP get destroyed so badly they’re calling for Reinces head on a silver platter.

Zero percent favourable support among blacks.

ZERO.

That’s got to be a political first.

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wrenchwench  Sep 1, 2016 • 11:23:01am

There’s thinking that Trump might have a point, and then there’s finding out that’s why he combs his hair like that. Most everyone has the capacity to learn and change their mind.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 1, 2016 • 11:23:27am

Not to mention Trumps insane speech makes his meeting in Mexico yesterday seem like even more of a sham than it already was.

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plansbandc  Sep 1, 2016 • 11:23:31am

Why anyone would think the fascist has even an ounce of compassion in him is beyond me.

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EPR-radar  Sep 1, 2016 • 11:24:16am

Better late than never, but these Trump supporters were being willfully blind.

Trump won the GOP primary with his opening shot, which was the “Mexican rapists” crap. Anyone expecting anything from Trump other than offensive and crude pandering to bigots, xenophobes and nativist haters simply was not paying attention.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 1, 2016 • 11:25:12am

re: #4 plansbandc

Why anyone would think the fascist has even an ounce of compassion in him is beyond me.

This. i mean I am sorry but what the hell were these people doing hedging their bets on Trump in the first place. It’s not like this is new territory for him. This is what got him nominated and this is what the GOP base wants out of its nominee on immigration. If more easier naturalization of immigrants is an issue of importance for you, you really shouldn’t be a Republican or supporting Republican candidates. They and their party don’t want that.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 1, 2016 • 11:25:17am

Can we say now Trump is the most exclusionary Presidential candidate to ever run for the office??

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HappyWarrior  Sep 1, 2016 • 11:25:24am

re: #5 EPR-radar

Better late than never, but these Trump supporters were being willfully blind.

Trump won the GOP primary with his opening shot, which was the “Mexican rapists” crap. Anyone expecting anything from Trump other than offensive and crude pandering to bigots, xenophobes and nativist haters simply was not paying attention.

Zactly.

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Kragar  Sep 1, 2016 • 11:25:54am
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EPR-radar  Sep 1, 2016 • 11:26:05am

re: #1 Eclectic Cyborg

I really hope Trump suffers an epic loss in November. Let the GOP get destroyed so badly they’re calling for Reinces head on a silver platter.

Zero percent favourable support among blacks.

ZERO.

That’s got to be a political first.

I’d like to see Trump duplicate that feat with latinos, especially in Texas. Let’s see Texas turn blue decades ahead of schedule.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 1, 2016 • 11:26:12am

re: #7 Eclectic Cyborg

Can we say now Trump is the most exclusionary Presidential candidate to ever run for the office??

Gosh he’s up there for major party candidates. His greatest equivalent of George Wallace but Wallace wasn’t nominated by a major party nor was Strom Thurmond.

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lawhawk  Sep 1, 2016 • 11:26:53am
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Huge numbers of Mexican Americans working for him.
Working for him? Doing the jobs Americans wont do? Or just doing jobs cheaper than say if he used union labor.

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Belafon  Sep 1, 2016 • 11:30:17am

re: #12 lawhawk

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Huge numbers of Mexican Americans working for him.
Working for him? Doing the jobs Americans wont do? Or just doing jobs cheaper than say if he used union labor.

Is he giving us hints as to where his new wife is coming from?

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Charles Johnson  Sep 1, 2016 • 11:30:41am
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lawhawk  Sep 1, 2016 • 11:30:54am

What kind of person thinks that Trump’s statements on Hispanics and Latino outreach meant that he was sincere in his outreach until now? There isn’t any. These people were deluding themselves until now, and that Trump’s speech yesterday made that abundantly clear shows that there’s some people who will buy anything Trump sells no matter how much BS he’s spewing. But there is a line that can be crossed with some.

Trump keeps finding that line - and crossing it.

That also explains why he’s polling behind 3d party candidates among African Americans these days.

The only group where Trump has consistent support is the white nationalist/bigot brigade vote.

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Jenner7  Sep 1, 2016 • 11:30:57am
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So, the wall is going to go up immediately, but Mexico will pay for it eventually. In the mean time, who is paying for it?

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EPR-radar  Sep 1, 2016 • 11:31:28am

re: #7 Eclectic Cyborg

Can we say now Trump is the most exclusionary Presidential candidate to ever run for the office??

Trump is certainly the worst I’ve ever seen in action, by far. However, it wouldn’t surprise me if there were major party presidential candidates that were worse, especially in the early part of the 20th century. Eugenics was broadly popular in the US then, and the immigration law passed in 1924 was a racist piece of crap.

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Skip Intro  Sep 1, 2016 • 11:36:34am

re: #17 EPR-radar

Trump is certainly the worst I’ve ever seen in action, by far. However, it wouldn’t surprise me if there were major party presidential candidates that were worse, especially in the early part of the 20th century. Eugenics was broadly popular in the US then, and the immigration law passed in 1924 was a racist piece of crap.

No, I don’t think when you look at the whole package you can honestly say there’s ever been a worse person running for the presidency as head of one of the two major parties.

Trump is in a zone all by himself, and without the 24/7 support of all the media outlets he’d be running at 20% max.

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Timothy Watson  Sep 1, 2016 • 11:36:41am

re: #16 Jenner7

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So, the wall is going to go up immediately, but Mexico will pay for it eventually. In the mean time, who is paying for it?

Check’s in the mail.

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Sir John Barron  Sep 1, 2016 • 11:38:10am

From downstairs:

Trump: “It will be an inclusive society, one that offers hope and opportunity to every part of this country — including our inner cities. We will ensure that every child in this land, including African-American and Hispanic children, are put on the American ladder of success: a good education, which they’re not getting now,” he said.

I know that words don’t mean anything and nothing matters but that paragraph and that sentence are pretty….ambitious. Far-reaching. Not very severely conservative.

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Belafon  Sep 1, 2016 • 11:38:22am

re: #16 Jenner7

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So, the wall is going to go up immediately, but Mexico will pay for it eventually. In the mean time, who is paying for it?

They’ll offer to pay for it, and then renege to try to push the price down.

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petesh  Sep 1, 2016 • 11:39:02am

re: #16 Jenner7

Remember the story about Trump backing down when confronted by the Rolling Stones’ roadies? It’s a pretty good analog — Trump won’t take no for an answer, insists he won’t take no for an answer, triple down on it … and eventually quits.

He’s going to keep spouting this crap, and I say, bring it on.

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Skip Intro  Sep 1, 2016 • 11:39:05am

re: #19 Timothy Watson

Trump will award himself the contract to build the wall, with 50% payment up front and a guaranteed payment of the other 50% regardless of whether the wall gets built or not.

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Sir John Barron  Sep 1, 2016 • 11:39:46am

re: #23 Skip Intro

Trump will award himself the contract to build the wall, with 50% payment up front and a guaranteed payment of the other 50% regardless of whether the wall gets built or not.

Meanwhile our media will still be talking about improper contacts by the Clinton Foundation and emails…..

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EPR-radar  Sep 1, 2016 • 11:39:55am

re: #18 Skip Intro

No, I don’t think when you look at the whole package you can honestly say there’s ever been a worse person running for the presidency as head of one of the two major parties.

Trump is in a zone all by himself, and without the 24/7 support of all the media outlets he’d be running at 20% max.

I agree with you on the whole package point. My point was more that Trump’s brand of nativist xenophobia was probably mainstream early in the 20th century, so on that issue in isolation he might not be the “worst ever”.

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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 1, 2016 • 11:40:14am

re: #20 Sir John Barron

From downstairs:

I know that words don’t mean anything and nothing matters but that paragraph and that sentence are pretty….ambitious. Far-reaching. Not very severely conservative.

Trump’s plan for “a good education” is government vouchers for Bible-teaching charter schools.

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jaunte  Sep 1, 2016 • 11:40:20am
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Barefoot Grin  Sep 1, 2016 • 11:40:46am

“I was a strong supporter of Donald Trump when I believed he was going to address the immigration problem realistically and compassionately,” said Monty, a Houston attorney who has aggressively made the Latino case for Trump. “What I heard today was not realistic and not compassionate.”

No snark: I really don’t ever remember any evidence that Trump was going to do anything “realistically” or “compassionately.”

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Charles Johnson  Sep 1, 2016 • 11:42:32am
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EPR-radar  Sep 1, 2016 • 11:42:49am

re: #24 Sir John Barron

Meanwhile our media will still be talking about improper contacts by the Clinton Foundation and emails…..

Let’s see what another issue would look like when run through the US media both-siderist mill:

Jews in Europe in the 20th century: “The final solution was deplorable, but Jews really did seem to dominate international banking. We investigate.”

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Sir John Barron  Sep 1, 2016 • 11:42:57am

re: #28 Barefoot Grin

“I was a strong supporter of Donald Trump when I believed he was going to address the immigration problem realistically and compassionately,” said Monty, a Houston attorney who has aggressively made the Latino case for Trump. “What I heard today was not realistic and not compassionate.”

No snark: I really don’t ever remember any evidence that Trump was going to do anything “realistically” or “compassionately.”

“Even after Trump complained about the Mexican judge, I was a strong supporter of his and then…..”

/

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wrenchwench  Sep 1, 2016 • 11:43:25am

re: #20 Sir John Barron

From downstairs:

I know that words don’t mean anything and nothing matters but that paragraph and that sentence are pretty….ambitious. Far-reaching. Not very severely conservative.

People WANT to believe. Often they WANT to believe the wrong people for the wrong reasons, but it can be hard to blame someone who has been lied to all their life for believing.

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Decatur Deb  Sep 1, 2016 • 11:43:41am

re: #29 Charles Johnson

Hair is too natural.

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jaunte  Sep 1, 2016 • 11:44:03am

re: #28 Barefoot Grin

Monty, a Houston attorney who has aggressively made the Latino case for Trump.

A lot of well-off Latinos who have been voting Republican for lower taxes are beginning to understand that Trump’s vigilantes won’t distinguish them from illegal immigrants when the time comes.

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EPR-radar  Sep 1, 2016 • 11:45:14am

re: #32 wrenchwench

People WANT to believe. Often they WANT to believe the wrong people for the wrong reasons, but it can be hard to blame someone who has been lied to all their life for believing.

My patience for willful ignorance is at an end. It is evil waiting to happen and is simply much too dangerous to excuse.

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jaunte  Sep 1, 2016 • 11:45:28am

re: #29 Charles Johnson

He has that “with fava beans and a nice Chianti” expression.

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Kragar  Sep 1, 2016 • 11:46:07am
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Sir John Barron  Sep 1, 2016 • 11:46:13am

“Yes, even after Trump said that awful thing about Megyn Kelly in the primary, I still figured he’d be compassionate…..”

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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 1, 2016 • 11:49:30am

re: #34 jaunte

A lot of well-off Latinos who have been voting Republican for lower taxes are beginning to understand that Trump’s vigilantes won’t distinguish them from illegal immigrants when the time comes.

There were wealthy German Jews who told themselves “Er spricht nicht über uns, er spricht über die Ostjuden”

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Sir John Barron  Sep 1, 2016 • 11:49:31am

“Even after Trump hired that awful Steve Bannon from Breitbart I still believed he would be generous and compassionate….”

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KGxvi  Sep 1, 2016 • 11:50:53am

re: #27 jaunte

dammit, Cuban trolling Trump is making me start to like him. And I really don’t want to like him because he always seems like such a douche (I had the same problem when he’d troll David Stern while he was running the NBA).

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wrenchwench  Sep 1, 2016 • 11:52:07am

re: #35 EPR-radar

My patience for willful ignorance is at an end. It is evil waiting to happen and is simply much too dangerous to excuse.

Not all ignorance is willful. It is dangerous, and we do need to go after it, but we don’t need to blame the (apparent) idiots. Until the ignorance is shown to be willful. Then we show no mercy.

Some of the idiots will become allies. That needs to be allowed for.

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Sherlock Hound  Sep 1, 2016 • 11:54:48am

re: #39 The Vicious Babushka

There were wealthy German Jews who told themselves “Er spricht nicht über uns, er spricht über die Ostjuden”

A sad corollary to Neimoller: “They came for the Jews, but not for me, for I was connected and my gau liked me!”

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ObserverArt  Sep 1, 2016 • 11:55:34am

I get the impression many of the Trump supporters see low Hispanic/Latino numbers and zero support by African Americans as a plus and a great reason to vote for him. Their true White Candidate, untouched by “those peoples” votes.

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wrenchwench  Sep 1, 2016 • 11:56:01am

re: #29 Charles Johnson

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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 1, 2016 • 11:56:40am

re: #43 Sherlock Hound

A sad corollary to Neimoller: “They came for the Jews, but not for me, for I was connected and my gau liked me!”

I am sorry to say there are some very stupid Juice who support Trump because of Jared and Ivanka.

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Nyet  Sep 1, 2016 • 11:56:55am

re: #3 Eclectic Cyborg

Not to mention Trumps insane speech makes his meeting in Mexico yesterday seem like even more of a sham than it already was.

Not smart, is he? Pena Nieto’s misstep gave him such an opportunity, and instead of basking in “he did not shit his pants on stage, so presidential” he had to go and shit his pants on stage.

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Belafon  Sep 1, 2016 • 11:57:31am

re: #41 KGxvi

dammit, Cuban trolling Trump is making me start to like him. And I really don’t want to like him because he always seems like such a douche (I had the same problem when he’d troll David Stern while he was running the NBA).

I’m in the Dallas area, so I see a bit more of Mark than most, but I don’t know him personally. I suspect he’s the kind of guy that likes being the loudest at a party, and he’s ambitious, but those aren’t the worst traits in people by far. He’s been a good owner over all for the Mavericks, and the worst thing you can say about him as a team owner is that he fights with the NBA heads. And he’ll make fun of himself.

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sagehen  Sep 1, 2016 • 11:59:06am

re: #1 Eclectic Cyborg

I really hope Trump suffers an epic loss in November. Let the GOP get destroyed so badly they’re calling for Reinces head on a silver platter.

Zero percent favourable support among blacks.

ZERO.

That’s got to be a political first.

David Duke is running for Senate in Louisiana… even he has 2% support from black voters.

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De Kolta Chair  Sep 1, 2016 • 11:59:09am

re: #16 Jenner7

So, the wall is going to go up immediately, but Mexico will pay for it eventually. In the mean time, who is paying for it?

BILL CLINTON’S PENSION!!!11!!

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ObserverArt  Sep 1, 2016 • 12:00:21pm

re: #28 Barefoot Grin

“I was a strong supporter of Donald Trump when I believed he was going to address the immigration problem realistically and compassionately,” said Monty, a Houston attorney who has aggressively made the Latino case for Trump. “What I heard today was not realistic and not compassionate.”

No snark: I really don’t ever remember any evidence that Trump was going to do anything “realistically” or “compassionately.”

It was pretty easy to miss that very brief softening wasn’t it?

Zip…and it was gone!

By the way…has Kellyanne Conway been out to excuse last night in Arizona? I am not watching anything that covers politics today other than that YouTube from Ohio today I put up today in the last part of the previous thread.

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KGxvi  Sep 1, 2016 • 12:00:37pm

re: #48 Belafon

I’m in the Dallas area, so I see a bit more of Mark than most, but I don’t know him personally. I suspect he’s the kind of guy that likes being the loudest at a party, and he’s ambitious, but those aren’t the worst traits in people by far. He’s been a good owner over all for the Mavericks, and the worst thing you can say about him as a team owner is that he fights with the NBA heads. And he’ll make fun of himself.

He’s been a really good owner, and I’m glad he fights with the league office as much as he does (it’s made the NBA better). I just get a douche vibe from him when I see him on TV (probably that loudest guy at the party thing).

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makeitstop  Sep 1, 2016 • 12:01:17pm

re: #41 KGxvi

dammit, Cuban trolling Trump is making me start to like him. And I really don’t want to like him because he always seems like such a douche (I had the same problem when he’d troll David Stern while he was running the NBA).

Cuban can slap Trump around at will because he can buy and sell Trump.

You might notice that Trump never, ever swings back.

He’s afraid of people with more money than him.

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Barefoot Grin  Sep 1, 2016 • 12:02:25pm

re: #51 ObserverArt

It was pretty easy to miss that very brief softening wasn’t it?

Zip…and it was gone!

By the way…has Kellyanne Conway been out to excuse last night in Arizona? I am not watching anything that covers politics today other than that YouTube from Ohio today I put up today in the last part of the previous thread.

I started to have anger sweats watching CNN this morning, so I’m avoiding media, too.

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wrenchwench  Sep 1, 2016 • 12:02:31pm

It is possible that Trump’s effect on conservative people of color will end up making them not be conservatives at all in their futures. Trump is exposing the whole political outlook as a sham. The same could be true of conservative women.

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petesh  Sep 1, 2016 • 12:03:59pm

re: #53 makeitstop

Cuban can slap Trump around at will because he can by and sell Trump.

You might notice that Trump never, ever swings back.

He’s afraid of people with more money than him.

My fave Hillary-tweet line so far was (from memory):

Trump’s tax plan only benefits billionaires, and millionaires like him.

Boom!

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danarchy  Sep 1, 2016 • 12:04:16pm

re: #53 makeitstop

Cuban can slap Trump around at will because he can by and sell Trump.

You might notice that Trump never, ever swings back.

He’s afraid of people with more money than him.

According to Forbes Cuban is worth about 3.2Billion and Trump is worth 4.5Billion

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Barefoot Grin  Sep 1, 2016 • 12:04:35pm

OT: but I got home early to an empty house. Cranked up the amp and played Iggy Pop’s “I’m Bored.” Catharsis.

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petesh  Sep 1, 2016 • 12:05:37pm

re: #57 danarchy

According to Forbes Cuban is worth about 3.2Billion and Trump is worth 4.5Billion

How much of Cuban’s net worth is the value of his personal brand? And how much of Trump’s?

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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 1, 2016 • 12:07:17pm

This is a terrible, horrible, no good very bad graphic but it is a good explanation of CLINTON OR TRUMP

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makeitstop  Sep 1, 2016 • 12:08:00pm

re: #57 danarchy

According to Forbes Cuban is worth about 3.2Billion and Trump is worth 4.5Billion

Until tax returns are released, Trump’s worth according to anyone is nothing but hype as far as I’m concerned.

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ObserverArt  Sep 1, 2016 • 12:08:16pm

re: #55 wrenchwench

It is possible that Trump’s effect on conservative people of color will end up making them not be conservatives at all in their futures. Trump is exposing the whole political outlook as a sham. The same could be true of conservative women.

Oh I hope so!

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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 1, 2016 • 12:08:52pm

What if the plate of vomit is from the last person who ate the tuna salad?

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I Would Prefer Not To  Sep 1, 2016 • 12:09:52pm

re: #57 danarchy

According to Forbes Cuban is worth about 3.2Billion and Trump is worth 4.5Billion

Cuban’s stock is going up and Trump’s is moving in the opposite direction.

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Nyet  Sep 1, 2016 • 12:10:14pm

re: #60 The Vicious Babushka

Both tuna salad and onions are tasty. Where’s the catch?

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Bubblehead II  Sep 1, 2016 • 12:10:31pm

re: #60 The Vicious Babushka

This is a terrible, horrible, no good very bad graphic but it is a good explanation of CLINTON OR TRUMP

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Can I get some dill pickle mixed in with that Tuna Salad?

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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 1, 2016 • 12:10:56pm

re: #65 Nyet

Both tuna salad and onions are tasty. Where’s the catch?

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See #63 above

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Lidane  Sep 1, 2016 • 12:11:58pm
“The ‘National Hispanic Advisory Council’ seems to be simply for optics and I do not have the time or energy for a scam.”

Of course they were a scam. These are a bunch of deluded idiots who think that the GOP has room for them as voters. It’s no different than the Log Cabin yahoos who stupidly think they can make the GOP like gay people if they just hide the fact that they’re gay and focus on taxes instead.

My relatives are these kind of Latino Republicans. They think that because they’ve done well for themselves and they went to Texas A&M and pull the lever for the (R)s that the national Republicans respect them. It never dawns on them that if they go anywhere north of San Antonio they’re just another illegal that’s stealing jobs from Real Murica.

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danarchy  Sep 1, 2016 • 12:12:19pm

re: #61 makeitstop

Until tax returns are released, Trump’s worth according to anyone is nothing bt hype as far as I’m concerned.

Tax returns deal mainly with income and not wealth, so it won’t tell you anything much about his net worth. Forbes has most of his wealth tied up in real estate(obviously) but the property he has ownership or an ownership stake in is pretty much public record.

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Nyet  Sep 1, 2016 • 12:13:07pm

re: #67 The Vicious Babushka

Yeah, but vomit is not an option. The main dish is tasty enough on its own ;)

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Sir John Barron  Sep 1, 2016 • 12:13:31pm

re: #57 danarchy

According to Forbes Cuban is worth about 3.2Billion and Trump is worth 4.5Billion

Many people are saying that Trump’s net worth is actually zero.

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lawhawk  Sep 1, 2016 • 12:15:33pm
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That’s the least bad thing to happen with the NYT in past week. Their atrocious coverage of Trump and Clinton takes the cake. Playing magical balance fairy between apples and unicorn farts is no way to provide anyone facts and news.

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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 1, 2016 • 12:15:55pm

re: #71 Sir John Barron

Many people are saying that Trump’s net worth is actually zero.

Trump sued some guy who said he was not really a billionaire and probably only a thousandaire. In the deposition Trump said that the amount of money he claims he has is sometimes based on his feels.

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makeitstop  Sep 1, 2016 • 12:16:46pm

re: #71 Sir John Barron

Many people are saying that Trump’s net worth is actually zero.

Well, I’m not saying that. I wouldn’t say that, but many people are.

Trump’s ‘brand’ is every bit as illusory as his campaign. As lawhawk would put it, vaporware.

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Lidane  Sep 1, 2016 • 12:17:29pm

re: #53 makeitstop

Cuban can slap Trump around at will because he can buy and sell Trump.

You’re thinking of Bloomberg and Buffett. They can both buy everything Trump owns, burn it all to the ground, and never notice the loss.

Cuban doesn’t have as much net worth as Trump, but he ALSO isn’t heavily leveraged to foreign banks and he actively works to try and help people other than himself.

You might notice that Trump never, ever swings back.

He’s afraid of people with more money than him.

Bullies never swing back. They can dish it out, but they can’t take it.

Cartman crying !!

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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 1, 2016 • 12:17:48pm
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jaunte  Sep 1, 2016 • 12:18:08pm

Today’s dispatch from Bizzarro World.

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Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Sep 1, 2016 • 12:18:42pm

re: #65 Nyet

Both tuna salad and onions are tasty. Where’s the catch?

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but there’s no celery!

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lawhawk  Sep 1, 2016 • 12:19:38pm

re: #71 Sir John Barron

So I’ve read online, so it must be true. ///

Seriously though, the reality is that Trump’s worth is tied to real estate, and that his income is tied mostly to licensing deals for his name to be plastered on buildings that he isn’t building (others are building and branding them as Trump).

Being in real estate conveys certain tax advantages, but it means there’s little liquidity - because you’d need to sell or refinance to take money from those buildings (and real estate sales do become public knowledge).

That’s unlike Cuban and other known billionaires who have run publicly held corporations, etc. We can figure out their wealth portfolios more easily.

Trump’s probably leveraged up the ying yang and has little liquidity.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 1, 2016 • 12:21:17pm

re: #77 jaunte

That’s the problem with these people. They think a successful diplomatic meeting is one in which you make the other person come off as a whiny little bitch.

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ObserverArt  Sep 1, 2016 • 12:22:05pm

re: #72 lawhawk

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That’s the least bad thing to happen with the NYT in past week. Their atrocious coverage of Trump and Clinton takes the cake. Playing magical balance fairy between apples and unicorn farts is no way to provide anyone facts and news.

So, Trump was right. The Times is a failing paper that is just not any good anymore and deserves to go out of business. /

Or, did Trump scare them into this balancing problem as he made them fear he could affect them with his digs?

Strange times in American media. They are all struggling with their futures.*

*This is a personal opinion of American media. I am in no position to speak for anyone but myself! One must understand their standing on such issues.

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jaunte  Sep 1, 2016 • 12:22:14pm

re: #80 Eclectic Cyborg

Strange “domination” where the other party tells everyone you’re lying about what was said in private.

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lawhawk  Sep 1, 2016 • 12:23:05pm

FYI for those in the NYC metro area - particularly those with a view of the Hudson River tomorrow:

Notification issued 9/1/16 at 3:00 PM. Seven military F-16s will be conducting a planned flyover over the Hudson River on Friday, 9/2, at about 9:30 AM. The aircraft will be making two southbound passes and two northbound passes at approximately 2,000 feet and at high speed.

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Lidane  Sep 1, 2016 • 12:25:31pm
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Dr Lizardo  Sep 1, 2016 • 12:26:43pm

re: #71 Sir John Barron

Many people are saying that Trump’s net worth is actually zero.

I can’t remember were I read it now, but some time back, Trump went to Deutsche Bank to get a loan - he’s pretty much been blackballed by American banks as too much of a credit risk - and DB concluded he was only worth about $675 million or so.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 1, 2016 • 12:27:03pm

re: #83 lawhawk

Jade Helm 16!

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Charles Johnson  Sep 1, 2016 • 12:28:11pm
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Translation: “I repeat what I said personally, Mr. Trump: Mexico would never pay for a wall.”

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Charles Johnson  Sep 1, 2016 • 12:30:14pm
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Lidane  Sep 1, 2016 • 12:32:03pm

re: #87 Charles Johnson

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Translation: “I repeat what I said personally, Mr. Trump: Mexico would never pay for a wall.”

Slight correction — it’s actually “Mexico will never pay for a wall”.

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Nyet  Sep 1, 2016 • 12:32:56pm

One of Trump’s supporters:

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Sir John Barron  Sep 1, 2016 • 12:33:25pm

re: #74 makeitstop

Well, I’m not saying that. I wouldn’t say that, but many people are.

Trump’s ‘brand’ is every bit as illusory as his campaign. As lawhawk would put it, vaporware.

Yeah, I’m not saying it. I’m just saying that many, many people are saying it.

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Timothy Watson  Sep 1, 2016 • 12:35:03pm

re: #90 Nyet

One of Trump’s supporters:

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How old is he? 12?

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lawhawk  Sep 1, 2016 • 12:36:18pm

re: #90 Nyet

White genocide believer. Yeah, that’s weapons grade derp right there.

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Stanley Sea  Sep 1, 2016 • 12:36:24pm

So Trump paid off Bondi with funds from his foundation. He never ever cuts a check himself unless @fahrenthold makes him.

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Lidane  Sep 1, 2016 • 12:37:42pm
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For the sake of comparison, Seitz-Wald points out that Obama raised $114M in August 2012.

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Charles Johnson  Sep 1, 2016 • 12:39:11pm

re: #90 Nyet

That guy tries to have the first response to every single tweet by Trump. It’s so relentless some people think it’s a bot. But I think it’s a real person.

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Charles Johnson  Sep 1, 2016 • 12:41:07pm
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austin_blue  Sep 1, 2016 • 12:43:34pm

Hermine is now a hurricane, already spawning tornadoes in west central Florida. Tough weekend for the coastal bend.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Sep 1, 2016 • 12:43:53pm

Atlas Juggs is off her meds again:

Pamela Geller Can Hardly Believe Hillary Clinton Plans To Shut Down Breitbart Using THE SHARIA!

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Belafon  Sep 1, 2016 • 12:44:39pm

re: #95 Lidane

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For the sake of comparison, Seitz-Wald points out that Obama raised $114M in August 2012.

But she’s not raising money for down ticket races!
She’s not concerned enough about winning the presidency!

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Charles Johnson  Sep 1, 2016 • 12:44:43pm
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Nyet  Sep 1, 2016 • 12:44:59pm

re: #99 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Atlas Juggs is off her meds again:

Pamela Geller Can Hardly Believe Hillary Clinton Plans To Shut Down Breitbart Using THE SHARIA!

Thank God for THE SHARIA then!

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Romantic Heretic  Sep 1, 2016 • 12:45:36pm

re: #7 Eclectic Cyborg

I think the ‘Know-Nothings’ might have beat Trump for that title, but not by much if at all.

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Nyet  Sep 1, 2016 • 12:47:54pm

re: #102 Nyet

Oh, Wonkette has the greatest Geller photo ever.

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wrenchwench  Sep 1, 2016 • 12:49:51pm

re: #104 Nyet

Oh, Wonkette has the greatest Geller photo ever.

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Isn’t that what the ‘private’ tag was made for?!?!?

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Dr Lizardo  Sep 1, 2016 • 12:50:16pm

re: #103 Romantic Heretic

I think the ‘Know-Nothings’ might have beat Trump for that title, but not by much if at all.

I’ve been poking around reading deeply weird shit on the internet (which I like to do every now and then) and then I remembered these people:

en.wikipedia.org

I guess the alt-right isn’t as fresh and new as they like to think they are.

In regards to some of the wackier beliefs, I was surprised to find that there’s still groups out there dedicated to Ariosophy. And that’s some weapons-grade wackiness right there. Hell, it’s taking lunacy to the next level. I expect the alt-right will be there in a few more years.

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Nyet  Sep 1, 2016 • 12:50:21pm

re: #104 Nyet

Trump is supported both by David Duke and by David Duke in a skirt.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Sep 1, 2016 • 12:50:48pm

re: #94 Stanley Sea

From the article:

Then, the Trump Foundation told the IRS about a gift that did not exist.

The foundation told the IRS that it had given $25,000 to a third group, a charity in Kansas with a similar name, “Justice for All.” In fact, the Trump Foundation had not actually sent the Kansas group any money.

This new, incorrect listing had the effect of camouflaging the prohibited gift. Trump’s CFO said that the listing of the Kansas group was another mistake, made by the foundation’s accountants.

Yeah. A mistake? BS.

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Nyet  Sep 1, 2016 • 12:50:49pm

re: #105 wrenchwench

Yeah, I know. It’s almost porn.

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Charles Johnson  Sep 1, 2016 • 12:51:16pm

Wow.

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Sir John Barron  Sep 1, 2016 • 12:51:28pm

re: #102 Nyet

Thank God for THE SHARIA then!

About time THE SHARIA did something useful around here.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Sep 1, 2016 • 12:52:25pm

re: #106 Dr Lizardo

I give them until November 9.

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Bubblehead II  Sep 1, 2016 • 12:53:10pm

re: #104 Nyet

Oh, Wonkette has the greatest Geller photo ever.

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lawhawk  Sep 1, 2016 • 12:53:17pm

re: #110 Charles Johnson

You get the feeling that one campaign isn’t taking chances, and is working to help down ticket races. The other? Not so much.

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gwangung  Sep 1, 2016 • 12:53:28pm

re: #110 Charles Johnson

Wow.

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Hm. Guess that’s a good thing.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Sep 1, 2016 • 12:54:22pm

re: #106 Dr Lizardo

I’ve been poking around reading deeply weird shit on the internet (which I like to do every now and then) and then I remembered these people:

en.wikipedia.org

I guess the alt-right isn’t as fresh and new as they like to think they are.

In regards to some of the wackier beliefs, I was surprised to find that there’s still groups out there dedicated to Ariosophy. And that’s some weapons-grade wackiness right there. Hell, it’s taking lunacy to the next level. I expect the alt-right will be there in a few more years.

People used to call the hypothetical linguistic substrate that made the Germanic languages depart so much from the rest of the Indo-European family “Völkisch”. They don’t use that name much anymore. (Or “Aryan” for the Indo-Iranian branch either.)

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Nyet  Sep 1, 2016 • 12:55:20pm

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Nyet  Sep 1, 2016 • 12:56:38pm

re: #106 Dr Lizardo

Alt-rightism is nothing but paleoconservatism, only as espoused by 4chan trolls instead of old men smelling of urine.

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Dr Lizardo  Sep 1, 2016 • 12:57:11pm

re: #113 Bubblehead II

re: #104 Nyet

Oh, Wonkette has the greatest Geller photo ever.

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Nyet  Sep 1, 2016 • 12:58:25pm

re: #117 Nyet

BTW, Charles, making your own meme generator would be a good idea. We would make memes with LGF logo, more clicks for the blog…

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EPR-radar  Sep 1, 2016 • 12:58:56pm

re: #118 Nyet

Alt-rightism is nothing but paleoconservatism, only as espoused by 4chan trolls instead of old men smelling of urine.

In other words, a vile mixture of neo-Nazis and unreconstructed Confederates.

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Nyet  Sep 1, 2016 • 12:59:07pm

re: #120 Nyet

BTW, Charles, making your own meme generator would be a good idea. We would make memes with LGF logo, more clicks for the blog…

(Only for users with a lot of karma though - to avoid trolls misusing it.)

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Decatur Deb  Sep 1, 2016 • 1:01:53pm

re: #121 EPR-radar

In other words, a vile mixture of neo-Nazis and unreconstructed Confederates.

With a unique concern for the ethics of gaming journalism.

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Lidane  Sep 1, 2016 • 1:01:58pm

Afternoon soundtrack:

Talking Heads - This Must Be The Place (Naive Melody)

Always loved these guys. SO underrated.

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Lidane  Sep 1, 2016 • 1:04:28pm

re: #123 Decatur Deb

With a unique concern for the ethics of gaming journalism.

And an unhealthy obsession with watching their wives have sex with black men.

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austin_blue  Sep 1, 2016 • 1:04:44pm

re: #119 Dr Lizardo

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wrenchwench  Sep 1, 2016 • 1:05:39pm
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Eventual Carrion  Sep 1, 2016 • 1:05:53pm

re: #16 Jenner7

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So, the wall is going to go up immediately, but Mexico will pay for it eventually. In the mean time, who is paying for it?

Iraqis?

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lawhawk  Sep 1, 2016 • 1:07:16pm

So, in listening to Joe Bonamassa at the North Sea Festival (2007), came across the final song from that set, and it was Dance on the Volcano from Genesis. Always loved the song, but Joe does a pretty nice interpretation:

Youtube Video

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Kragar  Sep 1, 2016 • 1:07:54pm

re: #127 wrenchwench

My mom lives in Pasadena

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wrenchwench  Sep 1, 2016 • 1:08:23pm

re: #130 Kragar

My mom lives in Pasadena

Does she have a pool?

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Kragar  Sep 1, 2016 • 1:09:11pm

re: #131 wrenchwench

I checked, its not ours.

Probably up closer to the foothills.

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Nyet  Sep 1, 2016 • 1:10:50pm

re: #127 wrenchwench

Where’s Goldilocks?

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Decatur Deb  Sep 1, 2016 • 1:12:56pm

re: #16 Jenner7

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So, the wall is going to go up immediately, but Mexico will pay for it eventually. In the mean time, who is paying for it?

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Sep 1, 2016 • 1:18:02pm

/peeks out from under the rock

Is it safe yet?

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The Dude Abides  Sep 1, 2016 • 1:23:05pm

re: #129 lawhawk

There’s some notes from “Squonk” in there too, which is what Genesis did on “Los Endos,” a combination of songs from earlier in the album plus a massive drum solo from Phil/Chester.

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Kragar  Sep 1, 2016 • 1:24:25pm

re: #135 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Never

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wrenchwench  Sep 1, 2016 • 1:25:06pm

re: #129 lawhawk

So, in listening to Joe Bonamassa at the North Sea Festival (2007), came across the final song from that set, and it was Dance on the Volcano from Genesis. Always loved the song, but Joe does a pretty nice interpretation:

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Video

Joe is already as good as an old man because he started so young.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Sep 1, 2016 • 1:25:36pm

re: #104 Nyet

Oh, Wonkette has the greatest Geller photo ever.

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I debated adding that to my post, but decided I’d get the reaction you’ve been getting. ;-)

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Stanley Sea  Sep 1, 2016 • 1:30:54pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 1, 2016 • 1:34:11pm

re: #87 Charles Johnson

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Translation: “I repeat what I said personally, Mr. Trump: Mexico would never pay for a wall.”

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GlutenFreeJesus  Sep 1, 2016 • 1:34:25pm

Colin Kaepernick isn’t wrong.

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Romantic Heretic  Sep 1, 2016 • 1:35:00pm

re: #104 Nyet

She looks like her human disguise is slipping.

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wrenchwench  Sep 1, 2016 • 1:35:51pm

It’s raining so hard right now they just closed the street because the downhill flow is making the cross street into a river.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Sep 1, 2016 • 1:36:26pm

re: #144 wrenchwench

It’s raining so hard right now they just closed the street because the downhill flow is making the cross street into a river.

I miss rain. :(

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Nyet  Sep 1, 2016 • 1:36:35pm

re: #139 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

All for the glory of the Old Ones!

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wrenchwench  Sep 1, 2016 • 1:37:24pm

re: #145 klys (maker of Silmarils)

I miss rain. :(

Come on down! It won’t miss you!

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Sep 1, 2016 • 1:38:00pm

re: #147 wrenchwench

Come on down! It won’t miss you!

But this weekend is harps and bagpipes!

And lots and lots of men in kilts.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 1, 2016 • 1:38:08pm

re: #104 Nyet

Oh, Wonkette has the greatest Geller photo ever.

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She has Michele Bachmann’s eyes…

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 1, 2016 • 1:38:42pm
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wrenchwench  Sep 1, 2016 • 1:40:09pm

re: #148 klys (maker of Silmarils)

But this weekend is harps and bagpipes!

And lots and lots of men in kilts.

This isn’t good weather for any of those things. Except a kilt might be good for crossing the street. There was a guy out there with his phone in a baggy so he could take a photo.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 1, 2016 • 1:40:46pm

HAHAHAHAHAAAA….

No, Joe:

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EPR-radar  Sep 1, 2016 • 1:42:35pm

re: #152 Backwoods_Sleuth

The real lesson from Trump’s campaign is that it is now completely clear how the Nazis were able to get a significant share of votes cast in elections in Weimar Germany.

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Lidane  Sep 1, 2016 • 1:42:45pm

ROFL:

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Bubblehead II  Sep 1, 2016 • 1:45:00pm

re: #135 klys (maker of Silmarils)

/peeks out from under the rock

Is it safe yet?

Nope. He’s still on the loose.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Sep 1, 2016 • 1:45:31pm

re: #153 EPR-radar

The real lesson from Trump’s campaign is that it is now completely clear how the Nazis were able to get a significant share of votes cast in elections in Weimar Germany.

Also why they peaked at 42% of the vote.

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EPR-radar  Sep 1, 2016 • 1:46:52pm

re: #156 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Also why they peaked at 42% of the vote.

Indeed. Trump’s floor and ceiling for his popularity are rather similar to what the Nazis had when they still contested elections.

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Barefoot Grin  Sep 1, 2016 • 1:47:47pm

We’ll invite Herr Trump in so that we can co-opco-opt(?) his supporters and have better control of him…..

(It’s been a long day of meetings. I can’t believe I’ve forgotten how to spell simple words.)

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KGxvi  Sep 1, 2016 • 1:48:59pm

re: #53 makeitstop

Cuban can slap Trump around at will because he can buy and sell Trump.

You might notice that Trump never, ever swings back.

He’s afraid of people with more money than him.

It probably doesn’t help Trump’s ego that Cuban is a self-made billionaire. If Trump hadn’t come from money, he’d be living on a Social Security check and the twenty bucks his 401(k) would be worth.

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EPR-radar  Sep 1, 2016 • 1:51:18pm

re: #155 Bubblehead II

Nope. He’s still on the loose.

Trump is what he is. These days my real irritation is reserved for the media.

For example, the media’s response to Trump ranting like a fascist bigot yesterday seems mostly to be “I’d like to hear more about this final solution.”

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dangerman  Sep 1, 2016 • 1:54:21pm

hey klys (and runners):

I gotta crow:

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Stanley Sea  Sep 1, 2016 • 1:55:13pm
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Mike Lamb  Sep 1, 2016 • 1:55:36pm

re: #152 Backwoods_Sleuth

HAHAHAHAHAAAA….

No, Joe:

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Gee…if there was only some mechanism available to test that theory…oh right…polling.

[Checks polls]

Deadbeat needs to shut the fuck up.

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Nyet  Sep 1, 2016 • 1:57:43pm
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Damn media.

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Decatur Deb  Sep 1, 2016 • 1:58:20pm

Getting a run of Trump ads before a lot of Youtube music vids.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Sep 1, 2016 • 1:58:37pm

re: #161 dangerman

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Charles Johnson  Sep 1, 2016 • 1:58:56pm

re: #120 Nyet

BTW, Charles, making your own meme generator would be a good idea. We would make memes with LGF logo, more clicks for the blog…

I’ve actually started working on something like this. Having some issues getting the outlined text to look good, but I’ll solve it.

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Lidane  Sep 1, 2016 • 1:58:57pm
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Mike Lamb  Sep 1, 2016 • 1:59:24pm

re: #164 Nyet

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Damn media.

So either he was mimicking a disabled reporter or he had a seizure and we should really question his health. Which is it?

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Nyet  Sep 1, 2016 • 2:01:11pm

Ann wants to deport 60000000.

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Bubblehead II  Sep 1, 2016 • 2:02:09pm

re: #160 EPR-radar

Trump is what he is. These days my real irritation is reserved for the media.

For example, the media’s response to Trump ranting like a fascist bigot yesterday seems mostly to be “I’d like to hear more about this final solution.”

Yep, the 4th estate has failed in its duty to inform and educate. All it wants any more is the advertising $$$. As long as they can portray tRump as a viable candidate and rake in the $$ they will.

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Decatur Deb  Sep 1, 2016 • 2:02:19pm

re: #162 Stanley Sea

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That is the most murderous takedown since the Medicis.

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Nyet  Sep 1, 2016 • 2:03:04pm

I hope Ann isn’t near any guns on Nov. 8/9…

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EPR-radar  Sep 1, 2016 • 2:04:12pm

re: #164 Nyet

Ann Coulter needs to go back in time to join Hitler in his bunker.

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makeitstop  Sep 1, 2016 • 2:05:22pm

re: #144 wrenchwench

It’s raining so hard right now they just closed the street because the downhill flow is making the cross street into a river.

It is teeming here, and has been for the past 20 minutes or so. Flash flood warnings up for my area, and I gotta drive to a rehearsal later. Maybe the waters will recede by the time I gotta get out of here. Hopefully, anyway.

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dangerman  Sep 1, 2016 • 2:05:27pm

re: #166 klys (maker of Silmarils)

excellent news.

keep em flying

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ObserverArt  Sep 1, 2016 • 2:07:46pm

re: #170 Nyet

Ann wants to deport 60000000.

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Can we deport Ann? She lives on wingnut welfare and is a product of immigrants.

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Nyet  Sep 1, 2016 • 2:08:01pm

You can watch the whole thing, or the highlight at 7:55.

Congressman John Lewis: “Get in Trouble. Good Trouble”

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wrenchwench  Sep 1, 2016 • 2:08:25pm

re: #175 makeitstop

It is teeming here, and has been for the past 20 minutes or so. Flash flood warnings up for my area, and I gotta drive to a rehearsal later. Maybe the waters will recede by the time I gotta get out of here. Hopefully, anyway.

I made a sale while this is going on. The woman took off her shoes and left them outside because they were so wet. I’m not even open today.

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Mike Lamb  Sep 1, 2016 • 2:08:44pm

re: #173 Nyet

I hope Ann isn’t near any guns on Nov. 8/9…

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It’s still amazing to me that people believe that there was something substantive in the Mexico visit. How are Republicans able to lower the bar for success for their candidates to the point of being subterranean?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 1, 2016 • 2:09:00pm

MrBWS just told me that he ran over a box of Trump signs on one of the interstates in Cincinnati today.
At the next off ramp was a rotund man wearing black shorts, black patent leather shoes, black socks and sock garters.
Said sadly dressed man was standing sadly next to a pickup truck filled with boxes of Trump signs that were previously held on board with (now broken) restraining straps.

Very sad….

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Nyet  Sep 1, 2016 • 2:09:01pm

re: #177 ObserverArt

Can we deport Ann? She lives on wingnut welfare and is a product of immigrants.

Half-measures.

Want to make Ann really miserable? You can do it on Nov. 8.

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wrenchwench  Sep 1, 2016 • 2:11:05pm

re: #181 Backwoods_Sleuth

MrBWS just told me that he ran over a box of Trump signs on one of the interstates in Cincinnati today.
At the next off ramp was a rotund man wearing black shorts, black patent leather shoes, black socks and sock garters.
Said sadly dressed man was standing sadly next to a pickup truck filled with boxes of Trump signs that were previously held on board with (now broken) restraining straps.

Very sad….

Hilariously sad. Maybe his sock garters can function as bungee cords.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Sep 1, 2016 • 2:13:39pm

re: #181 Backwoods_Sleuth

That genuinely does make me feel sad for the guy.

(An overabundance of empathy is occasionally inconvenient.)

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Decatur Deb  Sep 1, 2016 • 2:14:24pm

Better run that wall up the East Coast.

Tommy Makem ~ Cherish The Ladies

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makeitstop  Sep 1, 2016 • 2:14:57pm

re: #179 wrenchwench

I made a sale while this is going on. The woman took off her shoes and left them outside because they were so wet. I’m not even open today.

Pennies from Heaven! Or something…

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Stanley Sea  Sep 1, 2016 • 2:16:01pm

re: #181 Backwoods_Sleuth

MrBWS just told me that he ran over a box of Trump signs on one of the interstates in Cincinnati today.
At the next off ramp was a rotund man wearing black shorts, black patent leather shoes, black socks and sock garters.
Said sadly dressed man was standing sadly next to a pickup truck filled with boxes of Trump signs that were previously held on board with (now broken) restraining straps.

Very sad….

He’s sad because Trump is going to be charging him for the loss.

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Sir John Barron  Sep 1, 2016 • 2:16:30pm

re: #181 Backwoods_Sleuth

MrBWS just told me that he ran over a box of Trump signs on one of the interstates in Cincinnati today.
At the next off ramp was a rotund man wearing black shorts, black patent leather shoes, black socks and sock garters.
Said sadly dressed man was standing sadly next to a pickup truck filled with boxes of Trump signs that were previously held on board with (now broken) restraining straps.

Very sad….

Did he then accidently back up over them again and again?

Would be a shame if not.

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Sir John Barron  Sep 1, 2016 • 2:17:48pm

re: #170 Nyet

Ann wants to deport 60000000.

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Ann wants to purge the whole country. Charming.

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EPR-radar  Sep 1, 2016 • 2:17:49pm

re: #180 Mike Lamb

It’s still amazing to me that people believe that there was something substantive in the Mexico visit. How are Republicans able to lower the bar for success for their candidates to the point of being subterranean?

The GOP has an enormous built-in advantage simply by being the party of the rich and powerful. That automatically normalizes just about any crazy shit they do, up to and including nominating a grotesquely unqualified fascist demagogue for president.

When this is combined with the complete failure of most in the media to do their jobs, the result is as we see.

Send the Sunday morning talk show pundits back in time and they’d be perfectly happy doing round tables on how best to implement the final solution. They’d roll over on cue and accept any demands for access to people like Heydrich, Himmler, Goebbels, etc.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Sep 1, 2016 • 2:18:06pm

re: #167 Charles Johnson

I’ve actually started working on something like this. Having some issues getting the outlined text to look good, but I’ll solve it.

I can add text to any photo in a few seconds in Preview, but I can’t seem to find a nice fat font like the one Nyet was using on my machine. Any idea what that’s called, or a similar one on a Mac?

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KGxvi  Sep 1, 2016 • 2:18:46pm

re: #170 Nyet

Ann wants to deport 60000000.

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She must be counting the children of illegal immigrants who were born here, you know… natural born citizens. And probably the children of those natural born citizens.

Also, too… 60 million out of 315 million is like 19% of the population. That is utterly insane.

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Sir John Barron  Sep 1, 2016 • 2:18:53pm

re: #101 Charles Johnson

Uh… National poll: Clinton up 7 points on Trump politico.com

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@realDonaldTrump
— Charles Johnson

SMOTI said after Trump’s Mexico visit, or his immigration rant speech, whatever, that something would need to be seriously wrong with the American people for Trump not to have pulled ahead.

So….

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Decatur Deb  Sep 1, 2016 • 2:19:34pm

re: #192 KGxvi

She must be counting the children of illegal immigrants who were born here, you know… natural born citizens. And probably the children of those natural born citizens.

Also, too… 60 million out of 315 million is like 19% of the population. That is utterly insane.

Going to have to import some Mexicans so we can deport them.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 1, 2016 • 2:19:35pm

re: #188 Sir John Barron

Did he then accidently back up over them again and again?

Would be a shame if not.

Interstate, so no.
But the inclination was there…

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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 1, 2016 • 2:21:31pm

re: #104 Nyet

Oh, Wonkette has the greatest Geller photo ever.

*vomits*

put that in spoiler tags. gah.

*vomits again*

Team America Vomit Scene

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Patricia Kayden  Sep 1, 2016 • 2:21:37pm

re: #16 Jenner7

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So, the wall is going to go up immediately, but Mexico will pay for it eventually. In the mean time, who is paying for it?

I think you know quite well who will be paying for the wall. The Wall Fairy, of course. She has bright orange hair and a twinkle in her eyes. It’s true! Believe me!

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sagehen  Sep 1, 2016 • 2:22:12pm

re: #181 Backwoods_Sleuth

MrBWS just told me that he ran over a box of Trump signs on one of the interstates in Cincinnati today.
At the next off ramp was a rotund man wearing black shorts, black patent leather shoes, black socks and sock garters.
Said sadly dressed man was standing sadly next to a pickup truck filled with boxes of Trump signs that were previously held on board with (now broken) restraining straps.

Very sad….

And he didn’t stop to take a picture!?! Tell MrBWS he’s let us down.

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makeitstop  Sep 1, 2016 • 2:22:17pm

re: #191 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

I can add text to any photo in a few seconds in Preview, but I can’t seem to find a nice fat font like the one Nyet was using on my machine. Any idea what that’s called, or a similar one on a Mac?

The standard meme font is called ‘Impact’ on my PC.

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Dr Lizardo  Sep 1, 2016 • 2:23:04pm

re: #181 Backwoods_Sleuth

MrBWS just told me that he ran over a box of Trump signs on one of the interstates in Cincinnati today.
At the next off ramp was a rotund man wearing black shorts, black patent leather shoes, black socks and sock garters.
Said sadly dressed man was standing sadly next to a pickup truck filled with boxes of Trump signs that were previously held on board with (now broken) restraining straps.

Very sad….

MrBWS met Roderick Spode? Interesting.

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lawhawk  Sep 1, 2016 • 2:24:44pm

Hoft being Hoft:

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We know how much Hillary’s raised. We know her reach, and Hoft’s still holding on to the delusion that self-selecting rally crowds is proof he’s doing better than polls suggest.

Reality is Trump’s losing the money game, the polling game, and come November, the GOP will lose the vote for the WH (and control of the Senate at a minimum).

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Charles Johnson  Sep 1, 2016 • 2:24:56pm

OK, cool. Here’s an image with dynamically generated (with ImageMagick) meme text - not done in Photoshop, created with code.

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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 1, 2016 • 2:24:59pm

re: #173 Nyet

I hope Ann isn’t near any guns on Nov. 8/9…

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I don’t hope Ann isn’t near any guns on 11/9/16

I’m not a bad person I just don’t give a shit.

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Big Beautiful Door  Sep 1, 2016 • 2:26:07pm

re: #114 lawhawk

You get the feeling that one campaign isn’t taking chances, and is working to help down ticket races. The other? Not so much.

There is a real chance, though small, that the Democrats could win control of the House and the Senate. That would be huge if the Democrats have the balls to abolish or severely restrict filibusters; it would give them two years to pass some badly needed legislation.

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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 1, 2016 • 2:26:46pm

re: #181 Backwoods_Sleuth

MrBWS just told me that he ran over a box of Trump signs on one of the interstates in Cincinnati today.
At the next off ramp was a rotund man wearing black shorts, black patent leather shoes, black socks and sock garters.
Said sadly dressed man was standing sadly next to a pickup truck filled with boxes of Trump signs that were previously held on board with (now broken) restraining straps.

Very sad….

I’ll guess the guy crapped his pants when his truck lost the trumpload. But that doesn’t explain why he would keep on the crapped underpants.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Sep 1, 2016 • 2:27:56pm

re: #199 makeitstop

The standard meme font is called ‘Impact’ on my PC.

As a test—“Impact” on my machine isn’t quite as good, but as long as you stick with all caps, it’ll do. Thanks!

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ObserverArt  Sep 1, 2016 • 2:28:38pm

re: #201 lawhawk

Hoft being Hoft:

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We know how much Hillary’s raised. We know her reach, and Hoft’s still holding on to the delusion that self-selecting rally crowds is proof he’s doing better than polls suggest.

Reality is Trump’s losing the money game, the polling game, and come November, the GOP will lose the vote for the WH (and control of the Senate at a minimum).

I gave a small donation in August. Glad to know I’m an elitist rich donor.

Because I’m not rich or an elitist.

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Nyet  Sep 1, 2016 • 2:30:39pm

re: #203 The Vicious Babushka

I don’t hope Ann isn’t near any guns on 11/9/16

I’m not a bad person I just don’t give a shit.

I do. She might hurt some actual humans.

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scottslemmons  Sep 1, 2016 • 2:31:30pm

re: #206 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

As a test—“Impact” on my machine isn’t quite as good, but as long as you stick with all caps, it’ll do. Thanks!

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I think meme text generally includes a bit of black outline around the letters. It often doesn’t look right if you use Impact without it. It also seems to help with legibility and visibility…

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wrenchwench  Sep 1, 2016 • 2:32:05pm

re: #202 Charles Johnson

OK, cool. Here’s an image with dynamically generated (with ImageMagick) meme text - not done in Photoshop, created with code.

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Needs more Magick (I can still see Geller).

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scottslemmons  Sep 1, 2016 • 2:34:20pm

So not a good day for me, so far…

Instagram

This is my niece Hyla. She is no longer with us. She was my sweet baby and a Noble Beast. I am so sad, and I think I’ll disappear for a while.

Worse for my brother, since she was his dog, but I’ve always been her Fat Uncle, so I’m feeling her absence strongly. Sixteen years is a good run for any dog, but it’s never, ever long enough.

In brighter news… I dunno, might be having some chocolate pudding later. :/

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN  Sep 1, 2016 • 2:35:02pm

re: #196 The Vicious Babushka

*vomits*

put that in spoiler tags. gah.

*vomits again*

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I’ll raise you:

Scary Movie 2 - The Exorcist (Projectile Vomit Scene)

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Nyet  Sep 1, 2016 • 2:35:31pm

re: #211 scottslemmons

What a sweet dog. My condolences!

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Mattand  Sep 1, 2016 • 2:36:29pm

“Hey, it’s just an eagle! No big deal!”

That’s a paraphrase from the head of the fucking police union in Philadelphia.

My cousin’s kid just became a cop. She’s been on a Facebook tear about how cops are blameless saints.

Can’t wait to see her justification for that one.

Oh, wait; I can.

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Stanley Sea  Sep 1, 2016 • 2:36:55pm

re: #211 scottslemmons

Very sorry.

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lockjawcanbefun  Sep 1, 2016 • 2:37:31pm

It looks like a Canadian Conservative leadership candidate was inspired by last night’s speech.

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Fortunately, most of the reaction seems to be that she’s f’n nuts.

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makeitstop  Sep 1, 2016 • 2:39:23pm

re: #210 wrenchwench

Needs more Magick (I can still see Geller).

How’s this?

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Big Beautiful Door  Sep 1, 2016 • 2:39:40pm

re: #189 Sir John Barron

Ann wants to purge the whole country. Charming.

Yep. I guarantee you they reach that number by stripping native born Hispanics of their citizenship based on their parents’ immigrant status when they were born. It would be like Nazi Germany when they were using the racial laws to determine who was a jew.

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Nyet  Sep 1, 2016 • 2:40:53pm

re: #217 makeitstop

The crazy eye got through.

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makeitstop  Sep 1, 2016 • 2:41:31pm

re: #219 Nyet

The crazy eye got through.

Needs moar nope.

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Stanley Sea  Sep 1, 2016 • 2:42:34pm
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Decatur Deb  Sep 1, 2016 • 2:43:18pm

re: #214 Mattand

“Hey, it’s just an eagle! No big deal!”

That’s a paraphrase from the head of the fucking police union in Philadelphia.

My cousin’s kid just became a cop. She’s been on a Facebook tear about how cops are blameless saints.

Can’t wait to see her justification for that one.

Oh, wait; I can.

If I were head of the city’s police union, I would be trying my best to get the likely Nazi motherfucker the best deal possible. Because that’s the job description of a union leader. We don’t get to choose.

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wrenchwench  Sep 1, 2016 • 2:43:26pm

re: #217 makeitstop

How’s this?

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BIG improvement. Now for the ‘absent’ improvement.

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TK-421  Sep 1, 2016 • 2:45:53pm

Milwaukee lawmaker thrown to ground by cops, arrested at scene of Sylville Smith shooting and violent unrest

A Wisconsin state lawmaker who was thrown to the ground and arrested Tuesday night at the scene of a fatal police shooting and violent unrest in Milwaukee said he was just trying to help.

Rep. Jonathan Brostoff went to the Sherman Park neighborhood at 10 p.m. after hearing of the arrests of approximately 10 people, he said. Residents had complained that 30 to 40 people gathered around 8 p.m. near the area where Sylville Smith, 23, was fatally shot by an officer earlier this month.

The 10 were busted for disorderly conduct and resisting an officer about two hours before Brostoff arrived.

Brostoff, a Milwaukee Democrat, said most of the crowd had left and he was talking with the people who remained when officers approached.

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN  Sep 1, 2016 • 2:46:34pm

re: #222 Decatur Deb

My mother was president of her local school nurses’ union and she had to represent nurses that she felt were lazy or otherwise substandard.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 1, 2016 • 2:47:36pm

re: #170 Nyet

Ann wants to deport 60000000.

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With 1 out of 5 people deported, housing would be a lot cheaper. So, there’s that.

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Mattand  Sep 1, 2016 • 2:48:23pm

re: #222 Decatur Deb

If I were head of the city’s police union, I would be trying my best to get the likely Nazi motherfucker the best deal possible. Because that’s the job description of a union leader. We don’t get to choose.

If I were the head of the city’s police union, I’d have a strict “No fucking Nazis on my watch” rule.

I get what you’re saying, but this is bullshit. I’ve had my fill of white nationalists since last July. The last thing this nation needs is cops excusing the fucking Nazis on their department.

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Decatur Deb  Sep 1, 2016 • 2:48:47pm

re: #225 SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN

My mother was president of her local school nurses’ union and she had to represent nurses that she felt were lazy or otherwise substandard.

It’s an adversarial system, not perfect but the only thing that works. Management has money, power, and lawyers enough to make a case without the union throwing away its reason to exist.

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Decatur Deb  Sep 1, 2016 • 2:50:11pm

re: #227 Mattand

If I were the head of the city’s police union, I’d have a strict “No fucking Nazis on my watch” rule.

I get what you’re saying, but this is bullshit. I’ve had my fill of white nationalists since last July. The last thing this nation needs is cops excusing the fucking Nazis on their department.

If the stench is unbearable, the union chief can quit. That’s about all he can do and still call himself a union official.

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Mattand  Sep 1, 2016 • 2:50:32pm

re: #225 SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN

My mother was president of her local school nurses’ union and she had to represent nurses that she felt were lazy or otherwise substandard.

You’re seriously going to compare lazy nurses to white nationalist cops on a major city police force?

L.
O.
L.

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Jebediah, RBG  Sep 1, 2016 • 2:51:21pm

re: #211 scottslemmons

So sorry. Such a sweet face!
Doesn’t matter if she wasn’t yours - you loved her, and you are going to miss her.
I hope you get past the sadness soon, and on the the part where the happy memories make you smile.

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Nyet  Sep 1, 2016 • 2:51:55pm

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Lidane  Sep 1, 2016 • 2:52:38pm
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Decatur Deb  Sep 1, 2016 • 2:53:16pm

The union doesn’t get to hire and fire cops/union members. That’s the responsibility of the management chain-of-command, all the way back through the mayor and legislators.

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lizardofid  Sep 1, 2016 • 2:55:22pm

re: #222 Decatur Deb

If I were head of the city’s police union, I would be trying my best to get the likely Nazi motherfucker the best deal possible. Because that’s the job description of a union leader. We don’t get to choose.

Exactly. Police Unions’ interests do not always mirror those of the civilian population. A classic example is in Dallas, where it was just announced today that Chief Brown is retiring. He had all the police association sniping at him earlier in the year, (community policing can be a strain on the rank and file) and I guess the pressure is just too great. Dallas will miss him.

nbcnews.com

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GlutenFreeJesus  Sep 1, 2016 • 2:57:46pm

re: #214 Mattand

“FATHERLAND”

Yeah. No big deal. It’s just a cute Pidgey tattoo.

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Mattand  Sep 1, 2016 • 2:58:35pm

re: #229 Decatur Deb

If the stench is unbearable, the union chief can quit. That’s about all he can do and still call himself a union official.

re: #234 Decatur Deb

The union doesn’t get to hire and fire cops/union members. That’s the responsibility of the management chain-of-command, all the way back through the mayor and legislators.

He has to defend the guy? Fine.

Saying that it’s just an eagle and is no big deal tells you all you need to know about the Philly PD.

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Decatur Deb  Sep 1, 2016 • 3:00:18pm

re: #236 GlutenFreeJesus

“FATHERLAND”

Yeah. No big deal. It’s just a cute Pidgey tattoo.

It’s reason enough for the bosses to make an in-depth investigation, and probably fire the asshole. They can do that without union complicity.

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Nyet  Sep 1, 2016 • 3:00:43pm

It’s just a Buddhist holy symbol and a couple of ancient runes, what’s the big deal?

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Decatur Deb  Sep 1, 2016 • 3:02:26pm

re: #239 Nyet

It’s just a Buddhist holy symbol and a couple of ancient runes, what’s the big deal?

/

His chain-of-command saw it every time he dressed out like that. If someone wants to make a case, direct it there.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 1, 2016 • 3:03:15pm

re: #239 Nyet

It’s just a Buddhist holy symbol and a couple of ancient runes, what’s the big deal?

/

“It’s just a flag, a piece of cloth, that connects me to my heritage. What’s the big deal?”

Oh, well. You won’t mind if I burn it, then?

“SACRILEGE!!!!”

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Nyet  Sep 1, 2016 • 3:03:21pm

re: #240 Decatur Deb

His chain-of-command saw it every time he dressed out like that. If someone wants to make a case, direct it there.

He’s innocent. He was just following orders.

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Mattand  Sep 1, 2016 • 3:05:17pm

re: #240 Decatur Deb

His chain-of-command saw it every time he dressed out like that. If someone wants to make a case, direct it there.

He’s been on the force for 14 years. His chain of command obviously doesn’t give a shit.

The two civilians making a case of it now on Facebook are probably looking at harassment and/or hospital stays if they live in Philly.

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Decatur Deb  Sep 1, 2016 • 3:05:53pm

re: #242 Nyet

He’s innocent. He was just following orders.

Almost certainly not. The question is: Was he violating clearly published valid orders? If the PD doesn’t know how to run a PD, he slides and they have a bigger problem.

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calochortus  Sep 1, 2016 • 3:06:34pm

OK, so I’ve kind of caught up here, and unlike earlier today, so far the phone hasn’t rung, no one has come to the door, I haven’t had to go do something time-sensitive. I wonder how long that will last? At least Mr. C. volunteered to go get new tires for the car. Yay!

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Decatur Deb  Sep 1, 2016 • 3:06:55pm

re: #243 Mattand

He’s been on the force for 14 years. His chain of command obviously doesn’t give a shit.

The two civilians making a case of it now on Facebook are probably looking at harassment and/or hospital stays if they live in Philly.

Then why is everyone focused on the union, the one organization that is not supposed to get rid of him?

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Nyet  Sep 1, 2016 • 3:09:17pm

re: #244 Decatur Deb

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Nyet  Sep 1, 2016 • 3:10:12pm
Those of our readers who have been Anti-Fascists for a few years may remember that during a period from 2010-2012 there were several successful hacks of Neo-Nazi websites that led to the identification of dozens of Neo-Nazis and White Nationalists.

One of the more interesting cases was that of Ian Hans Lichterman. Lichterman was listed as a member of Blood and Honour, an international network of Neo-Nazi organizations started by Ian Stuart Donaldson, the lead singer of Skrewdriver. Upon some investigating, it was discovered that Lichterman was also a Philly PD officer who had even recently been commended at a crime stoppers awards ceremony.

phillyantifa.noblogs.org

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stpaulbear  Sep 1, 2016 • 3:10:19pm

re: #172 Decatur Deb

That is the most murderous takedown since the Medicis.

Keillor did an equally brutal takedown of Norm Coleman not too long after Paul Wellstone died. There wasn’t much left to pick up afterwards.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 1, 2016 • 3:10:24pm

re: #246 Decatur Deb

Then why is everyone focused on the union, the one organization that is not supposed to get rid of him?

If I had to guess, it’s because the last couple years have caused many to look askance at police union officials for their perennial defense of any cop who shoots an unarmed person, no matter how unjustifiable?

IOW, they’ve pretty much used up all the sympathy anyone had for them.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Sep 1, 2016 • 3:11:37pm

The best part of the day is when one of the cats decides it is time for petting and jumps up into my lap to INSIST that there are scritches NOW.

Guess what just happened?

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Skip Intro  Sep 1, 2016 • 3:12:01pm

re: #154 Lidane

ROFL:

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This part cracked me up.

appropriate Trump Person

Here’s the whole thing for those who are interested. You’d have to be crazy to sign this.

talk.donaldjtrump.com

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Timothy Watson  Sep 1, 2016 • 3:12:55pm

re: #244 Decatur Deb

Almost certainly not. The question is: Was he violating clearly published valid orders? If the PD doesn’t know how to run a PD, he slides and they have a bigger problem.

Most police departments have a general order book the size of War and Peace. There’s almost certainly a general order on tattoos and probably prohibits any tattoo that shows gang affiliation or are racist, sexist, etc.

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Nyet  Sep 1, 2016 • 3:13:59pm

re: #248 Nyet

Allegedly from his flickr:

Image: Capture2.jpg

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lizardofid  Sep 1, 2016 • 3:14:34pm

re: #250 Blind Frog Belly White

If I had to guess, it’s because the last couple years have caused many to look askance at police union officials for their perennial defense of any cop who shoots an unarmed person, no matter how unjustifiable?

IOW, they’ve pretty much used up all the sympathy anyone had for them.

I understand what you’re saying. It helps me to think of them just like defense lawyers. Their job is to advocate, regardless of the smell.

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Decatur Deb  Sep 1, 2016 • 3:14:55pm

re: #250 Blind Frog Belly White

If I had to guess, it’s because the last couple years have caused many to look askance at police union officials for their perennial defense of any cop who shoots an unarmed person, no matter how unjustifiable?

IOW, they’ve pretty much used up all the sympathy anyone had for them.

That’s because most people who haven’t been in a union were never taught how union-management conflict works. Would you be sympathetic to a defense lawyer who sits down with the DA and decides his client is a scumbag that should hang?

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Sep 1, 2016 • 3:14:55pm

re: #254 Nyet

…what’s a “solicalst”?

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Skip Intro  Sep 1, 2016 • 3:15:31pm

re: #174 EPR-radar

Ann Coulter needs to go back in time to join Hitler in his bunker.

Strangely, nothing she ever says keeps her off of MSNBC. Even David Duke doesn’t get that treatment. How is what Coulter says any different?

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Mattand  Sep 1, 2016 • 3:16:05pm

re: #246 Decatur Deb

Then why is everyone focused on the union, the one organization that is not supposed to get rid of him?

Jesus Fucking Christ, I’m focused on it because of the cavalier dismissal of a cop wearing the symbol of a group of people who worship the fucking monsters that ran the fucking Holocaust.

I mean, WTF? He’s got to defend the guy? Fine. I get it. To take a cavalier and flip attitude about it? Fuck. That.

I know a fucking racist who use to have a gun and a badge. To this day, he’s fucking unapologetic about harassing every black person that came within 3 feet of him. He passed that ignorance on to some of his kids.

Forgive me for not putting on my calm rational hat about this.

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Decatur Deb  Sep 1, 2016 • 3:16:47pm

re: #253 Timothy Watson

Most police departments have a general order book the size of War and Peace. There’s almost certainly a general order on tattoos and probably prohibits any tattoo that shows gang affiliation or are racist, sexist, etc.

Then it’s time to start at the Director of Public Safety and start tearing off asses until the situation improves.

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Nyet  Sep 1, 2016 • 3:16:49pm

re: #257 klys (maker of Silmarils)

…what’s a “solicalst”?

Must be some pagan festival devoted to the Sun.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Sep 1, 2016 • 3:18:10pm

re: #251 klys (maker of Silmarils)

The downside: I am now covered in cat hair.

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calochortus  Sep 1, 2016 • 3:18:35pm

re: #262 klys (maker of Silmarils)

The downside: I am now covered in cat hair.

It’s a fashion statement.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 1, 2016 • 3:18:56pm

re: #255 lizardofid

re: #256 Decatur Deb

Defense counsel are responsible for defending their client. The thing is, the union is responsible for the wellbeing of ALL THEIR MEMBERS, and in something like policing, a guy like this is a liability for all the other members. Making it somebody else’s responsibility to get rid of him while you try to prevent it is how this crap gets perpetuated, and normalized.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 1, 2016 • 3:20:24pm

re: #262 klys (maker of Silmarils)

The downside: I am now covered in cat hair.

Greyhounds don’t jump up in your lap and demand to be petted.

They don’t need to. Their heads are already at table height….

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Decatur Deb  Sep 1, 2016 • 3:20:26pm

re: #259 Mattand

Jesus Fucking Christ, I’m focused on it because of the cavalier dismissal of a cop wearing the symbol of a group of people who worship the fucking monsters that ran the fucking Holocaust.

I mean, WTF? He’s got to defend the guy? Fine. I get it. To take a cavalier and flip attitude about it? Fuck. That.

I know a fucking racist who use to have a gun and a badge. To this day, he’s fucking unapologetic about harassing every black person that came within 3 feet of him. He passed that ignorance on to some of his kids.

Forgive me for not putting on my calm rational hat about this.

I wouldn’t have used his approach unless I were sure it was the most effective way to fulfill my obligation to defend him. Seems like it didn’t work very well.

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Nyet  Sep 1, 2016 • 3:22:22pm

re: #262 klys (maker of Silmarils)

The downside: I am now covered in cat hair.

Ancient torture: tarred and catted.

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Decatur Deb  Sep 1, 2016 • 3:22:33pm

re: #264 Blind Frog Belly White

Defense counsel are responsible for defending their client. The thing is, the union is responsible for the wellbeing of ALL THEIR MEMBERS, and in something like policing, a guy like this is a liability for all the other members. Making it somebody else’s responsibility to get rid of him while you try to prevent it is how this crap gets perpetuated, and normalized.

That’s the way it works. Various European systems have developed more collegial labor-relations systems. They depend on guarantees in law that will not get passed here.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 1, 2016 • 3:22:37pm

re: #266 Decatur Deb

I wouldn’t have used his approach unless I were sure it was the most effective way to fulfill my obligation to defend him. Seems like it didn’t work very well.

So here’s how you defend him - “This guy is a Fascist scumbag who should not be a cop, but he hasn’t violated any rules that you’ve written yet, hint, hint….”

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Sep 1, 2016 • 3:23:54pm

re: #267 Nyet

Ancient torture: tarred and catted.

It gets everywhere. I really don’t understand how.

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Mattand  Sep 1, 2016 • 3:24:32pm

re: #266 Decatur Deb

I wouldn’t have used his approach unless I were sure it was the most effective way to fulfill my obligation to defend him. Seems like it didn’t work very well.

That’s the problem. It was the first approach. As Blind Frog pointed out, that kind of a response is also a big “Fuck you” to every cop of color on the force. Intentional or not, it sends a clear signal that the union, at least, thinks white supremacy is not a big deal.

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Decatur Deb  Sep 1, 2016 • 3:24:45pm

re: #269 Blind Frog Belly White

So here’s how you defend him - “This guy is a Fascist scumbag who should not be a cop, but he hasn’t violated any rules that you’ve written yet, hint, hint….”

As a lowest-level shop steward, I let my conscience be my guide, but I knew that defending the occasional douchebag came with the job.

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lizardofid  Sep 1, 2016 • 3:24:48pm

re: #264 Blind Frog Belly White

Defense counsel are responsible for defending their client. The thing is, the union is responsible for the wellbeing of ALL THEIR MEMBERS, and in something like policing, a guy like this is a liability for all the other members. Making it somebody else’s responsibility to get rid of him while you try to prevent it is how this crap gets perpetuated, and normalized.

I hear ya. It’s a conflicted mess. But there it is. Not nearly as serious a situation as we’re discussing now, but I always thought the players union would have been interested in seeing PEDs out of their game, for the good of the “clean” players. Not so much.

Again, I’m not comparing the seriousness of the two situations.

Peace all

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Sep 1, 2016 • 3:27:24pm

re: #272 Decatur Deb

As a lowest-level shop steward, I let my conscience be my guide, but I knew that defending the occasional douchebag came with the job.

And head of the union is - at least sometimes - a political position, in that you’re elected by the people you represent. With all the human politicking that comes along with that.

I am not saying this is good or bad, just another point to consider.

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calochortus  Sep 1, 2016 • 3:28:19pm

re: #270 klys (maker of Silmarils)

It gets everywhere. I really don’t understand how.

It’s the feline superpower. My daughter’s cat even grows a special undercoat just to spread around the house.

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EPR-radar  Sep 1, 2016 • 3:28:37pm

re: #271 Mattand

That’s the problem. It was the first approach. As Blind Frog pointed out, that kind of a response is also a big “Fuck you” to every cop of color on the force. Intentional or not, it sends a clear signal that the union, at least, thinks white supremacy is not a big deal.

Another point can also be made here. Needlessly offensive advocacy on behalf of its members contributes to the withering away of unions in the US.

A certain level of political support is needed for unions to continue to exist, and I think it clear that this minimal level of support is not present in the US right now.

Given this background, unions really need to ensure they do their jobs in a way that doesn’t end up being self-destructive.

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lizardofid  Sep 1, 2016 • 3:29:44pm

Everyone have a good evening! It’s time for a Early Times and a little family round table.

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goddamnedfrank  Sep 1, 2016 • 3:30:53pm
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Decatur Deb  Sep 1, 2016 • 3:31:14pm

re: #274 klys (maker of Silmarils)

And head of the union is - at least sometimes - a political position, in that you’re elected by the people you represent. With all the human politicking that comes along with that.

I am not saying this is good or bad, just another point to consider.

Even shop steward (c100 workers) was an elected slot in our IUE local, the largest union local east of the Mississippi—20,000 General Electric workers then.

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Stanley Sea  Sep 1, 2016 • 3:32:31pm
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Stanley Sea  Sep 1, 2016 • 3:32:47pm

re: #278 goddamnedfrank

DAMMIT FRANK

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Decatur Deb  Sep 1, 2016 • 3:33:04pm

re: #276 EPR-radar

Another point can also be made here. Needlessly offensive advocacy on behalf of its members contributes to the withering away of unions in the US.

A certain level of political support is needed for unions to continue to exist, and I think it clear that this minimal level of support is not present in the US right now.

Given this background, unions really need to ensure they do their jobs in a way that doesn’t end up being self-destructive.

But rule one is: “Don’t sell out”.

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Stanley Sea  Sep 1, 2016 • 3:33:56pm
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jaunte  Sep 1, 2016 • 3:34:35pm

re: #278 goddamnedfrank

When asked about his vision for black Americans, the script suggests that Mr. Trump stay positive, advising that he use lines such as “If we are to make America great again, we must reduce, rather than highlight, issues of race in this country” and “I want to make race disappear as a factor in government and governance.”

So, basically continuing the pretense that there has been no effort to marginalize minorities; that’s all in the past.

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EPR-radar  Sep 1, 2016 • 3:34:54pm

re: #278 goddamnedfrank

Here come the GOP apparatchiks, trying to pretend once again that Trump (or even the GOP in general) has anything to offer black people other than various forms of racism.

“Here’s your shit sandwich. Do you want me to grind some fresh pepper onto it?”

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN  Sep 1, 2016 • 3:35:29pm

re: #230 Mattand

You’re seriously going to compare lazy nurses to white nationalist cops on a major city police force?

L.
O.
L.

No, I’m comparing union presidents’ jobs. Sheesh

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EPR-radar  Sep 1, 2016 • 3:38:14pm

re: #282 Decatur Deb

But rule one is: “Don’t sell out”.

It doesn’t seem too difficult to avoid selling out while also avoiding pointless antagonism.

If a cop is accused of having Nazi paraphernalia, there is no need for the union guy to run to the media and pooh-pooh the significance of Nazi paraphernalia.

Similarly, if a teacher is accused of sexually abusing a child, there is no need for the union guy to try the credibility of the child in a media circus.

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Pawn of the Oppressor  Sep 1, 2016 • 3:40:40pm

re: #170 Nyet

Ann wants to deport 60000000.

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She has really gone around the bend.

Why stop at 60 million? 100! A THOUSAND! A THOUSAND MILLION! RIGHT HERE IN MY YARD CRAWLING ALL OVER ME WHILE I DRINK!

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Mattand  Sep 1, 2016 • 3:40:43pm

re: #287 EPR-radar

If a cop is accused of having Nazi paraphernalia, there is no need for the union guy to run to the media and pooh-pooh the significance of Nazi paraphernalia.

Thank you.

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN  Sep 1, 2016 • 3:41:22pm

re: #259 Mattand

…Forgive me for not putting on my calm rational hat about this.

No. Wearing your calm rational hat is part of being a member of a peaceful society, so put the damn thing on.

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Skip Intro  Sep 1, 2016 • 3:41:24pm

re: #278 goddamnedfrank

Of all the proposed answers, the most Trump-like might be his reply to the final question of the interview: What he would say to undecided black voters?

“If you want a strong partner in this journey, you will vote for me. I will never let you down,” Mr. Trump is directed to say, adding, “By the way, my support is now up to 8 percent and climbing.”

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Sep 1, 2016 • 3:41:40pm

The reality of climate in the Bay Area, AKA why I get irritated when people associate SF weather with what I get to put up with.

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calochortus  Sep 1, 2016 • 3:43:17pm

re: #292 klys (maker of Silmarils)

The reality of climate in the Bay Area, AKA why I get irritated when people associated SF weather with what I get to put up with.

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Yeah, I tell out-of-area people to look at San Jose’s weather, not San Francisco’s.

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Pawn of the Oppressor  Sep 1, 2016 • 3:43:55pm

re: #278 goddamnedfrank

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“Greetings Negro Americans. I am so very proud to speak to you today. I am very angry that Obama has cut your bread ration. I promise you will get more bread and… *squints at teleprompter* Menthol cigarettes. I love all Africans. I am descended from a long line of African lovers! You will be the best people and I want you as my African American community. Thank you and god bless Nigeria and Angola and giraffes. I love giraffes just like you! Good night, Make America Great Again.”

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Jenner7  Sep 1, 2016 • 3:43:58pm
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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Sep 1, 2016 • 3:44:04pm

re: #293 calochortus

Yeah, I tell out-of-area people to look at San Jose’s weather, not San Francisco’s.

The cloud layer stuck around until almost 10 this morning? Progress?

(…sigh…)

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calochortus  Sep 1, 2016 • 3:48:09pm

re: #296 klys (maker of Silmarils)

The cloud layer stuck around until almost 10 this morning? Progress?

(…sigh…)

Interesting. We’ve had a fair number of overcast mornings in the last 2 or 3 weeks, but not the last couple mornings. I guess that’s because you had the clouds? Don’t worry. We still have time for more heat with the early Fall off-shore flow.

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Mattand  Sep 1, 2016 • 3:50:32pm

re: #290 SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN

No. Wearing your calm rational hat is part of being a member of a peaceful society, so put the damn thing on.

I just can’t be that sanguine about white nationalists running around like some. That’s part of the fucking problem with this country. I know far, far too many people who will look at this situation and rationalize it 38 ways to Sunday.

We have a goddamn Republican candidate for President who’s emboldened people like this cop. Fuck being Mr. Spock about this shit.

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Decatur Deb  Sep 1, 2016 • 3:53:05pm

re: #287 EPR-radar

It doesn’t seem too difficult to avoid selling out while also avoiding pointless antagonism.

If a cop is accused of having Nazi paraphernalia, there is no need for the union guy to run to the media and pooh-pooh the significance of Nazi paraphernalia.

Similarly, if a teacher is accused of sexually abusing a child, there is no need for the union guy to try the credibility of the child in a media circus.

Once again, the task is effective advocacy. Think of a lawyer trying to minimize whatever his client did and influence public opinion/jury pool. The problem might be that the Philadelphia power structure has proven that this approach has worked in the past.

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wrenchwench  Sep 1, 2016 • 3:55:29pm

re: #298 Mattand

I just can’t be that sanguine about white nationalists running around like some. That’s part of the fucking problem with this country. I know far, far too many people who will look at this situation and rationalize it 38 ways to Sunday.

We have a goddamn Republican candidate for President who’s emboldened people like this cop. Fuck being Mr. Spock about this shit.

Don’t be Spock. Keep the emotion. It’s driving you in the right direction. Deb is trying to help with strategy.

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Decatur Deb  Sep 1, 2016 • 3:57:11pm

re: #290 SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN

No. Wearing your calm rational hat is part of being a member of a peaceful society, so put the damn thing on.

I have no problem with outrage, just want to direct it to where it can do the most good—the actual people who hire, train, and retain asshole cops.

I’m sure I mentioned that my city chief of police and former county sheriff are almost certainly Klan. For that I’m going after the Mayor and City Manager.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 1, 2016 • 3:59:04pm

re: #292 klys (maker of Silmarils)

The reality of climate in the Bay Area, AKA why I get irritated when people associate SF weather with what I get to put up with.

OTOH…

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Nyet  Sep 1, 2016 • 4:01:28pm

Oh… kay. That’s different than before.

DIE ANTWOORD - BANANA BRAIN (Official Video)

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HappyWarrior  Sep 1, 2016 • 4:02:23pm

re: #295 Jenner7

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EPR-radar  Sep 1, 2016 • 4:03:45pm

re: #299 Decatur Deb

Once again, the task is effective advocacy. Think of a lawyer trying to minimize whatever his client did and influence public opinion/jury pool. The problem might be that the Philadelphia power structure has proven that this approach has worked in the past.

There is a moral obligation for an advocate to consider both what is likely to work (or has worked before) and the damage to the community inherent in certain kinds of advocacy. E.g., a priori there is no justification for putting a child’s credibility on trial in a media circus, even though that might be helpful to the case of an accused child molester.

Similarly, it is completely unacceptable for an advocate to use the ‘gay panic’ defense in a murder case, even if that seems to be a good (or even the best) chance to get an acquittal.

In other words, advocates have to be held to a standard higher than ‘winning at all cost’.

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m0nkeyb0y  Sep 1, 2016 • 4:04:37pm

re: #55 wrenchwench

It is possible that Trump’s effect on conservative people of color will end up making them not be conservatives at all in their futures. Trump is exposing the whole political outlook as a sham. The same could be true of conservative women.

Too true, as I witnessed in my own family.

I am 50 and from rural Arkansas. My father’s family has always been full of no-nonsense, rock-ribbed Republican men. But my maternal grandfather, PawPaw, was a staunch Democrat to the end of his days due to his experience with the area’s dominate Republican landowner during The Depression.

PawPaw had to drop out of school ~8 years old to feed the family during The Depression when his father was disabled by a stroke. PaPa was one of three children and his sacrifice also allowed his sister and mentally-disabled brother to stay in school.

Even though he was small for his age he once took a job picking cotton by hand with other young boys for the local Big Republican. This entailed dragging a canvas bag, up to 12’ foot long for adults, down the rows while picking the scratchy, dusty bolls in the hot sun. Workers were paid by the pound but the Big Republican would pay the kids less because he could get away with it. I am certain he was aware of PawPaw’s situation in such a small community.

PawPaw was furious and asked his Mom (his Dad could speak but a few words due to the stroke) what they should do. She told him to just accept it as they had to eat. Well, PawPaw and his crew of boys started fortifying their bags with rocks and it did not take long for Big Republican to figure this out. PawPaw got beaten by said Republican and voted Democratic the rest of his life.

He lived long enough to see Obama defeat Hillary for the nomination and was none too happy. He asked me what I thought about this n——r running for president. I assured him that the Clintons were on board and Obama would essentially leverage their resources and be a continuation of Bill’s and Hillary’s policies. “Well”, he said, “that’s good enough for me”.

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Bubblehead II  Sep 1, 2016 • 4:05:59pm

Time to call it a night. As usual, may the Deity of your choice smile down upon you.

Edit. No music this time.

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Decatur Deb  Sep 1, 2016 • 4:06:37pm

re: #305 EPR-radar

There is a moral obligation for an advocate to consider both what is likely to work (or has worked before) and the damage to the community inherent in certain kinds of advocacy. E.g., a priori there is no justification for putting a child’s credibility on trial in a media circus, even though that might be helpful to the case of an accused child molester.

Similarly, it is completely unacceptable for an advocate to use the ‘gay panic’ defense in a murder case, even if that seems to be a good (or even the best) chance to get an acquittal.

In other words, advocates have to be held to a standard higher than ‘winning at all cost’.

As I said above, the union official can quit. The union can’t, or it flushes a hundred years of struggle.

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Feline Fearless Leader  Sep 1, 2016 • 4:08:53pm

re: #124 Lidane

Afternoon soundtrack:

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Always loved these guys. SO underrated.

Love that song. I am particularly fond of this version.

David Byrne This Must Be The Place Live Jools Holland 2004

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HappyWarrior  Sep 1, 2016 • 4:10:40pm

re: #306 m0nkeyb0y

Too true, as I witnessed in my own family.

I am 50 and from rural Arkansas. My father’s family has always been full of no-nonsense, rock-ribbed Republican men. But my maternal grandfather, PawPaw, was a staunch Democrat to the end of his days due to his experience with the area’s dominate Republican landowner during The Depression.

PawPaw had to drop out of school ~8 years old to feed the family during The Depression when his father was disabled by a stroke. PaPa was one of three children and his sacrifice also allowed his sister and mentally-disabled brother to stay in school.

Even though he was small for his age he once took a job picking cotton by hand with other young boys for the local Big Republican. This entailed dragging a canvas bag, up to 12’ foot long for adults, down the rows while picking the scratchy, dusty bolls in the hot sun. Workers were paid by the pound but the Big Republican would pay the kids less because he could get away with it. I am certain he was aware of PawPaw’s situation in such a small community.

PawPaw was furious and asked his Mom (his Dad could speak but a few words due to the stroke) what they should do. She told him to just accept it as they had to eat. Well, PawPaw and his crew of boys started fortifying their bags with rocks and it did not take long for Big Republican to figure this out. PawPaw got beaten by said Republican and voted Democratic the rest of his life.

He lived long enough to see Obama defeat Hillary for the nomination and was none too happy. He asked me what I thought about this n——r running for president. I assured him that the Clintons were on board and Obama would essentially leverage their resources and be a continuation of Bill’s and Hillary’s policies. “Well”, he said, “that’s good enough for me”.

Reminds me of my mom’s dad. Coal miner’s kid who ended up being a brick mason. He didn’t think much of Obama. He died during the time in between Bush and Obama becoming President. I like to think Obama would have grown on him like he did with my grandma. I really hope that Trump’s message wouldn’t have appealed to him since there are some things about some of Trump’s rhetoric that may have attracted him but OTOH, I do think he would have been pissed off about Trump’s attitude about war.

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Charles Johnson  Sep 1, 2016 • 4:11:37pm

There’s a critical update to Safari out today - if you use Safari, go to App Store->Updates ASAP. This fixes a serious vulnerability that could allow an attacker to execute arbitrary code simply by having you visit a maliciously crafted website.

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Skip Intro  Sep 1, 2016 • 4:16:17pm
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Decatur Deb  Sep 1, 2016 • 4:17:30pm

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN  Sep 1, 2016 • 4:18:12pm

(OT) In our town, WOGL is playing the #1’s from their time (mid 60s to early 90s). Anyway, somehow, incredibly, the barking dogs “Jingle Bells” must have been a #1! They do it in alphabetical order, but I think chronological order would be far more interesting.

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Skip Intro  Sep 1, 2016 • 4:21:49pm

re: #313 Decatur Deb

And a little mustache.

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Mattand  Sep 1, 2016 • 4:22:51pm

re: #311 Charles Johnson

There’s a critical update to Safari out today - if you use Safari, go to App Store->Updates ASAP. This fixes a serious vulnerability that could allow an attacker to execute arbitrary code simply by having you visit a maliciously crafted website.

On it. Gracias.

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Mattand  Sep 1, 2016 • 4:26:13pm

re: #312 Skip Intro

I was reading something the other day about how Christie was a driving force behind Capt. Stubby Hands’ Mexican Adventure.

My first reaction was that Christie knew it would be a bad idea and did it as revenge for Trump allowing his son-in-law to fuck up Christie’s place in the campaign.

Just a theory.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Sep 1, 2016 • 4:27:40pm

Ha!

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darthstar  Sep 1, 2016 • 4:28:46pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 1, 2016 • 4:40:29pm
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MrBWS said he saw one of these flags for the first time today and had no idea what they meant. I had to google it and learned all about “Thin Blue Line”…

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Skip Intro  Sep 1, 2016 • 4:42:04pm
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calochortus  Sep 1, 2016 • 4:42:50pm

re: #322 Skip Intro

My eyes!

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Timothy Watson  Sep 1, 2016 • 4:45:06pm

re: #321 Backwoods_Sleuth

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MrBWS said he saw one of these flags for the first time today and had no idea what they meant. I had to google it and learned all about “Thin Blue Line”…

But flag desecration should be banned.

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Skip Intro  Sep 1, 2016 • 4:45:24pm
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GlutenFreeJesus  Sep 1, 2016 • 4:45:45pm

re: #278 goddamnedfrank

His outreach, like his hair, is phony.

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Maxwell Not So Smart  Sep 1, 2016 • 4:50:52pm

Kind of dumb but worth a few seconds.

Life through the eyes of a Trump voter.

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calochortus  Sep 1, 2016 • 4:50:55pm

So I’m checking in on the Cal Fire site to see if there’s anything going on east of Redding where we’ll be next week and I realize I’m smelling smoke. Then I remember that Mr. C. has just gone out to light the grill. Neither sudden local wildfire or an overactive imagination.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Sep 1, 2016 • 4:51:34pm

re: #328 calochortus

So I’m checking in on the Cal Fire site to see if there’s anything going on east of Redding where we’ll be next week and I realize I’m smelling smoke. Then I remember that Mr. C. has just gone out to light the grill. Neither sudden local wildfire or an overactive imagination.

I’m glad there is a logical explanation that does not involve the need for the fire department.

Hopefully.

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Stanley Sea  Sep 1, 2016 • 4:53:17pm

Went to the store, pulled out a $20.

Lucky me. Now lucky store guy.

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Charles Johnson  Sep 1, 2016 • 4:54:13pm

The LGF Meme Generator is gonna be sweet.

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calochortus  Sep 1, 2016 • 5:03:32pm

Oh great. The local news is still carrying on about Kaepernick. I guess it’s just a matter of no news in the lead up to Labor Day weekend.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Sep 1, 2016 • 5:04:46pm

re: #332 calochortus

Oh great. The local news is still carrying on about Kaepernick. I guess it’s just a matter of no news in the lead up to Labor Day weekend.

It’s more “fun” than the controversy over who’s going to be the starting quarterback and the depressing realization for the local sports fans that the 49ers are going to suck again this year.

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calochortus  Sep 1, 2016 • 5:32:38pm

re: #333 klys (maker of Silmarils)

It’s more “fun” than the controversy over who’s going to be the starting quarterback and the depressing realization for the local sports fans that the 49ers are going to suck again this year.

Fortunately, I have absolutely no interest in football.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Sep 1, 2016 • 5:36:08pm

re: #334 calochortus

Fortunately, I have absolutely no interest in football.

Neither do I. But it’s just another way the media is going to ignore the substance of what he’s saying. Now it’ll be that he’s not the starter because of this and not because they were seriously looking at starting whatever-the-hell-the-other-guy’s-name-is before this. And just. It’s all stupid. (For the record, I think he has a right to say what he wants to and I agree with his viewpoint that things need to improve.)

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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 1, 2016 • 5:36:48pm

re: #278 goddamnedfrank

His canned answers are the usual horrific worthless shit==>

What would your administration do to bring down the racial tension that is in our Country? In the Bible Jesus said that a house divided cannot stand.

We have to reform our tax system so that we can spur economic growth for the long haul. We have to have stronger enforcement of immigration laws. We have to renegotiate our trade deals so that we can bring advantage back to the American workforce.

We must bring school choice programs to our cities and we must get rid of Common Core.

Mr. Trump what is your vision for America? And specifically Black America?

As for the Affordable Care Act, I will work to repeal the act and replace it with market driven solutions that will offer more access to healthcare at more affordable prices. Every American should be able to purchase health insurance across state lines, have health savings account that belong to them, have price transparency so they can shop for the best services at the best prices and know that they will not have to compete with those who are clogging the system simply because they are in this country illegally.

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m0nkeyb0y  Sep 1, 2016 • 7:38:41pm

re: #310 HappyWarrior

Yes, it is nice when a loved one rises above a prejudice; I was very proud of my Paw Paw. Unfortunately my Father, who is far more educated, ambitious and successful than he, has been poisoned by all the disgraceful, dishonest slander and attacks on Obama and the Clintons. Every stupid, ridiculous political email he forwards makes me sad for him and infuriated with the Fox-Republican Axis of Evil.

Hey, congratulations alleged “Conservatives”, at this point I can never, ever imagine voting Republican. If real moderates ever manage to wrest back control of your party, my now ingrained global distrust of your motives and honesty may well be an insurmountable barrier!

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cat-tikvah  Sep 1, 2016 • 7:42:48pm

re: #211 scottslemmons

No it’s never enough, even when we know it’s time to say goodbye.

We have a house full of cats and I still pine for the ones who have left us.

That sappy Rainbow Bridge piece makes me cry
every time I read it.

“Mixed species families” understand how exquisitely it hurts to love and lose these wonderful companions.


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