Jacob Collier Jams With His Fans via Video

A master class in harmony

MusicSeptember 2016 • Views: 38,181

Time for music! Here’s Jacob Collier again, with the second video he’s done where he takes melodies submitted by fans and overlays his inimitable vocal harmonies over them. The results are short little gems of musical genius.

This video contains submissions from two pretty well-known musicians: Kevin Olusola of the vocal band Pentatonix, and the great Ben Folds with some messy-ass hair.

Here’s the second compilation of harmonised melodies from the #InMyRoomJC #IHarmU Patreon campaign, which ended on July 1st! There are many more melodies still to come.

Keep up with all the melodies via:
Facebook ➪ facebook.com
Instagram ➪ instagram.com
Twitter ➪ twitter.com
Website ➪ jacobcollier.co.uk
Join in on Patreon:
patreon.com

#IHarmU Vol. 2 Listing:
Kevin Olusola 0:02
Ted Evans 1:17
Soléy May 2:17
Isaac Palmer 2:48
Melody Rose 3:39
Simon Rentner 4:08
Ben Folds 4:37
Marco Mengato 5:07
Hugo Seilern 5:41
Dominik Ivančík 6:15
Jamie Dubberly 6:49
Camilo Menjura 7:20
Hildy Hulet 7:53
Rohit Jepegnanam 8:24

© Jacob Collier 2016

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nines09 Sep 2, 2016 • 6:28:19pm

#TacoTrucksOnEveryCorner Have fun with https://t.co/l6SdaykvBE pic.twitter.com/S9fan2kogw

— nines09 (@Mescalero09) September 3, 2016

Charles Johnson Sep 2, 2016 • 6:29:38pm

Oh, just fuck off with your idiotic memes. @Flkittie

— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) September 3, 2016

teleskiguy Sep 2, 2016 • 6:32:45pm

Winner winner chicken dinner.

“Questions…..Morphology? Longevity? Incept dates?” pic.twitter.com/AJ5SMfSvKZ

— Matt Oswalt (@MattOswaltVA) September 3, 2016

Charles Johnson Sep 2, 2016 • 6:37:14pm

The sequel to “It Follows.” https://t.co/XXNt65x9fj @MattOswaltVA

— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) September 3, 2016

Lidane Sep 2, 2016 • 6:38:35pm

More of this please:

This!!!

Democrats have parked a taco truck that also registers voters outside a Trump campaign office in Colorado https://t.co/rQI4FyUvah

— Victoria Brownworth (@VABVOX) September 3, 2016

EPR-radar Sep 2, 2016 • 6:38:36pm

re: #2 Charles Johnson

An internet moron giving his hero an implausibly high IQ. Must be a day ending in ‘y’.

Charles Johnson Sep 2, 2016 • 6:41:55pm

Mark Cuban is exactly right. https://t.co/0WhFCQy3vM @mcuban @HillaryClinton

— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) September 3, 2016

jaunte Sep 2, 2016 • 6:56:47pm

re: #3 teleskiguy

EPR-radar Sep 2, 2016 • 7:01:44pm

re: #8 jaunte

“You will be assimilated” always reminds me of the classic parody line: “I am dyslexic of Borg. You will be asslaminated.”

nines09 Sep 2, 2016 • 7:03:10pm

OK. Good day for me musically. This is good news. Here’s Marcus King, all 20 years of age. I think he’s got it.

At only 20 years of age, Marcus King’s dazzling musical ability is evident throughout The Marcus King Band, the young phenom’s 2nd full-length LP and first for Fantasy Records (available October 7). Operating within the fiery brand of American roots music that King calls “soul-influenced psychedelic southern rock,” the album highlights King’s gorgeous, rough-hewn vocals, soaring guitar work and heartfelt songwriting all amidst a group of masterful musicians who, together, are quickly becoming one of the country’s most sought after live acts.

A longtime champion of King’s songwriting and guitar prowess, Warren Haynes produced every track on The Marcus King Band (and contributed his trademark slide guitar on “Virginia”), expertly capturing the group’s live sound for a cohesive collection reflecting the band’s expansive explorations.

“Marcus is the first player I’ve heard since Derek Trucks to play with the maturity of a musician well beyond his age. He’s very much influenced by the blues, but also by jazz, rock, soul music, and any timeless genres of music. You can hear the influences, but it all comes through him in his own unique way. He has one of those voices that instantly draws you in, and his guitar playing is an extension of his voice and vice versa.”
- Warren Haynes

Gov’t Mule (w/ Marcus King) - “What is Hip” (Tower of Power) - Mountain Jam 2016

Good night

GlutenFreeJesus Sep 2, 2016 • 7:06:24pm

Ok I know some of us are still playing Pokemon. Well. They’ll have an update out in a few days. You can pick a Pokemon to have as a buddy. As you walk together you’ll gain candies and other rewards (which they aren’t mentioning now). This almost makes up for them killing the tracker.

pokemongolive.com

jeffreyw Sep 2, 2016 • 7:07:02pm

Mmm… tacos!

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stpaulbear Sep 2, 2016 • 7:09:13pm

re: #12 jeffreyw

Mmm… tacos!

I was going to ask what happened to the taco on the far right but then I realized it wasn’t one.

Looks very good.

austin_blue Sep 2, 2016 • 7:12:07pm

re: #3 teleskiguy

Winner winner chicken dinner.

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Donnie Deuce looks like he’s about to cry and run screaming from the room, Eric looks like he is having an especially painful hemorrhoidal flare-up, and Ivana, well, she may be a child of privilege and without a single clue as to how the real world works, but that is a very handsome woman.

I’ll chalk that up to her mom.

dangerman Sep 2, 2016 • 7:13:03pm

re: #5 Lidane

More of this please:

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These are smart people

Belafon Sep 2, 2016 • 7:13:06pm

Rosa’s and Taco Bueno already offer specials for their taco platters on Tuesday, but the Mexican restaurants ought to offer something on election day if you have a voted sticker.

allegro Sep 2, 2016 • 7:13:15pm

I called it earlier. The Mexican restaurant we went to (it was a 2 really BIG frozen margarita night *hic*) was packed, at least twice the crowd as usual and it wasn’t big parties. Trump’s asshole surrogate generated a lot of extra business for tacos (and related) tonight. We had a terrific time. Did I mention 2 really BIG frozen margaritas?

jeffreyw Sep 2, 2016 • 7:14:29pm

re: #13 stpaulbear

I was going to ask what happened to the taco on the far right but then I realized it wasn’t one.

Looks very good.

Yeah some refries than were a tad soupier than my usual.

austin_blue Sep 2, 2016 • 7:17:08pm

re: #18 jeffreyw

Yeah some refries than were a tad soupier than my usual.

I generally go for the barachos or the black beans. I’ll do refried on a breakfast taco (with bacon, white cheese, and salsa) but not on a plate meal.

Meh.

austin_blue Sep 2, 2016 • 7:26:05pm

re: #17 allegro

I called it earlier. The Mexican restaurant we went to (it was a 2 really BIG frozen margarita night *hic*) was packed, at least twice the crowd as usual and it wasn’t big parties. Trump’s asshole surrogate generated a lot of extra business for tacos (and related) tonight. We had a terrific time. Did I mention 2 really BIG frozen margaritas?

We walked down the hill to El Alma’s tonight and had a kick-ass salmon ceviche w/mango, avocado, shaved onions, cilantro, and dill. Two margs for each of us, too. Fortunately a two block walk home.

(El Alma’s is an Interior Mexican joint, most definitely not Tex-Mex. Most of our country hasn’t seen this style of food, which is a shame. It gives classical European a run for its money. If you haven’t tasted huitlacoche, you haven’t had Real Mexican Food.)

retired cynic Sep 2, 2016 • 7:27:40pm

re: #20 austin_blue

We walked down the hill to El Alma’s tonight and had a kick-ass salmon ceviche w/mango, avocado, shaved onions, cilantro, and dill. Two margs for each of us, too. Fortunately a two block walk home.

(El Alma’s is an Interior Mexican joint, most definitely not Tex-Mex. Most of our country hasn’t seen this style of food, which is a shame. It gives classical European a run for its money. If you haven’t tasted huitlacoche, you haven’t had Real Mexican Food.)

I like living in the boonies, I really do, but we don’t have the options you do. I had a bacon cheeseburger.

Eric The Fruit Bat Sep 2, 2016 • 7:28:21pm

re: #9 EPR-radar

The parody line I rem embed was: “I am Loquacious of Borg. Prepared to be bored.”

Eric The Fruit Bat Sep 2, 2016 • 7:32:21pm

re: #16 Belafon

It’s always Taco Tuesday at Don Pablo’s for lunch (which is one of the reasons why I usually crawl into the office on Tuesdays-Thursday’s we have lunch with the DBA’s, and it get depressing/frightening enough that we go to Boston Market.)

jaunte Sep 2, 2016 • 7:36:46pm

“The only rule was you weren’t to look in that cupboard.” pic.twitter.com/Qo34bbPC6t

— Duke (@DukeStJournal) September 3, 2016

jaunte Sep 2, 2016 • 7:37:20pm

My timeline looks like ‘Village of the Damned’ right now

— Jared Keller (@jaredbkeller) September 3, 2016

allegro Sep 2, 2016 • 7:37:50pm

re: #20 austin_blue

We walked down the hill to El Alma’s tonight and had a kick-ass salmon ceviche w/mango, avocado, shaved onions, cilantro, and dill. Two margs for each of us, too. Fortunately a two block walk home.

(El Alma’s is an Interior Mexican joint, most definitely not Tex-Mex. Most of our country hasn’t seen this style of food, which is a shame. It gives classical European a run for its money. If you haven’t tasted huitlacoche, you haven’t had Real Mexican Food.)

Strangely, or not, that’s the Mexican fare I was introduced to… in Chicago. My parents went to Los Amigos for years every Friday night for dinner and dancing (when that was still a thing - this was the 60s/70s). It was definitely fine dining, live 4 piece band, terrific strolling Mariachis during band breaks. The food was so different from the Tex-Mex we get here. I admit I’ve never acquired a taste for huitlacoche, however.

austin_blue Sep 2, 2016 • 7:37:58pm

re: #21 retired cynic

I like living in the boonies, I really do, but we don’t have the options you do. I had a bacon cheeseburger.

Well, but bacon!

Belafon Sep 2, 2016 • 7:38:02pm

re: #24 jaunte

American Horror Story Season 7.

TK-421 Sep 2, 2016 • 7:38:15pm

“Where are they now?”

Charles Johnson Sep 2, 2016 • 7:40:54pm

Jacob Collier and his mom Suzie.

Skylark - Suzie & Jacob Collier

austin_blue Sep 2, 2016 • 7:44:53pm

re: #26 allegro

Strangely, or not, that’s the Mexican fare I was introduced to… in Chicago. My parents went to Los Amigos for years every Friday night for dinner and dancing (when that was still a thing - this was the 60s/70s). It was definitely fine dining, live 4 piece band, terrific strolling Mariachis during band breaks. The food was so different from the Tex-Mex we get here. I admit I’ve never acquired a taste for huitlacoche, however.

I know what you’re saying. Yes, it’s a mushroom on steroids, almost truffley thing. I love it when used as almost an herb or a spice. I tried eating a small bowl of it sautéed in olive oil w/ garlic, onion and mild peppers, and it was too much. Love the flavor, but the intensity can be overwhelming. Great in a bisque with regular corn and crab, though. That’s just killer bee.

Sherlock Hound Sep 2, 2016 • 7:45:38pm

re: #22 Eric The Fruit Bat

The parody line I rem embed was: “I am Loquacious of Borg. Prepared to be bored.”

“I am Tweety of Borg! I taut I attimuated a puddy-tat!”
“Poor puddy-tat, he got attimuated!”

“I yam Popeye of Borg. Prepare to be askmiligrated.”

FormerDirtDart Sep 2, 2016 • 7:47:41pm

Do you like Huey Lewis and The News? pic.twitter.com/39WJvhEbcv

— WB Young (@FormerDirtDart) September 3, 2016

Ziggy_TARDIS Sep 2, 2016 • 7:47:55pm

OT, but this year has been a catastrophe for Music.

Not talking about the deaths of people like Bowie, Prince, Glen Frey, Maurice White, Merle Haggard, and so many more.

The actual Music released this year has been complete and utter garbage, with a small number of exceptions that haven’t charted. This might be the worst year for music in my lifetime.

I was born in 1990, and I can and do like some Pop Music, and do watch the charts.

The worst thing about this year is the continued popularity of Meghan Trainor.

Belafon Sep 2, 2016 • 7:49:29pm

The decoration in the library at my youngest son’s school:

Ziggy_TARDIS Sep 2, 2016 • 7:50:05pm

re: #35 Belafon

I see no TARDIS.

Belafon Sep 2, 2016 • 7:50:36pm

re: #34 Ziggy_TARDIS

You’re just getting old.

Belafon Sep 2, 2016 • 7:50:57pm

re: #36 Ziggy_TARDIS

I see no TARDIS.

He’s in the Star Trek universe, not the Star Wars one.

Eric The Fruit Bat Sep 2, 2016 • 7:52:47pm

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allegro Sep 2, 2016 • 7:54:50pm

re: #31 austin_blue

I know what you’re saying. Yes, it’s a mushroom on steroids, almost truffley thing. I love it when used as almost an herb or a spice. I tried eating a small bowl of it sautéed in olive oil w/ garlic, onion and mild peppers, and it was too much. Love the flavor, but the intensity can be overwhelming. Great in a bisque with regular corn and crab, though. That’s just killer bee.

Actually huitlacoche is a corn fungus which to me is just psychologically a ew thing that’s hard to overcome. Does taste powerfully earthy and mushroomy. Used as you suggest, as a spice, I might be able to get used to it like I did cilantro which I hated for a long time but now I adore it.

Ziggy_TARDIS Sep 2, 2016 • 7:55:49pm

re: #37 Belafon

Except for the fact that I loved 2015 for music.

Things don’t flip in a year.

teleskiguy Sep 2, 2016 • 7:57:23pm

I can see how Stephen Colbert is not too quick to shed his persona he developed on Comedy Central in this monologue on The Late Show. I think CBS knew it was going to be an awkward transition and their numbers would suffer. But good business is about longevity, so we’ll see. I liked it. Reminded me of The Colbert Report.

After His Mexico Trip, ‘Statesmanlike’ Trump Lasted All of Three Minutes

stpaulbear Sep 2, 2016 • 7:58:02pm

re: #34 Ziggy_TARDIS

Parquet Courts put out a pretty nice little album this year. I like it a lot.

retired cynic Sep 2, 2016 • 8:00:06pm

re: #40 allegro

Actually huitlacoche is a corn fungus which to me is just psychologically a ew thing that’s hard to overcome. Does taste powerfully earthy and mushroomy. Used as you suggest, as a spice, I might be able to get used to it like I did cilantro which I hated for a long time but now I adore it.

If you’d seen it growing in large quantities, as we do in corn country, you might not be able to get used to it. I guess I’d have to try it, but my first reaction is as yours: ew!

austin_blue Sep 2, 2016 • 8:03:38pm

re: #34 Ziggy_TARDIS

OT, but this year has been a catastrophe for Music.

Not talking about the deaths of people like Bowie, Prince, Glen Frey, Maurice White, Merle Haggard, and so many more.

The actual Music released this year has been complete and utter garbage, with a small number of exceptions that haven’t charted. This might be the worst year for music in my lifetime.

I was born in 1990, and I can and do like some Pop Music, and do watch the charts.

The worst thing about this year is the continued popularity of Meghan Trainor.

Well, here’s a little song that has a tangential connection to Oklahoma by the “third band” from Athens, Georgia (i.e., not the Bees or REM) from 1985. It’s Guadalcanal Diary with Trail of Tears. I saw them live in Austin a couple of times. Great live show:

Guadalcanal Diary - Trail Of Tears (1985)

allegro Sep 2, 2016 • 8:06:58pm

re: #42 teleskiguy

I can see how Stephen Colbert is not too quick to shed his persona he developed on Comedy Central in this monologue on The Late Show. I think CBS knew it was going to be an awkward transition and their numbers would suffer. But good business is about longevity, so we’ll see. I liked it. Reminded me of The Colbert Report.

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Colbert is a national treasure. At least someone is calling Trump as nuts and full of shit as we all know he is.

Lidane Sep 2, 2016 • 8:07:37pm

GOP consultant dude from Austin:

Pretty damning, factual report on the unhinged nut case now serving as CEO of the Trump campaign
https://t.co/cM6s7sKwZv

— Matt Mackowiak (@MattMackowiak) September 2, 2016

There is no such thing as a “campaign CEO”. This is a weasel way of trying to hide the fact that Bannon is actually in charge of things and Kellyanne Conway is just a figurehead whose only job is to try and spin things more coherently than Katrina Pierson.

gocart mozart Sep 2, 2016 • 8:10:51pm

Neil Innes - Godfrey Daniel

austin_blue Sep 2, 2016 • 8:21:36pm

re: #47 Lidane

GOP consultant dude from Austin:

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There is no such thing as a “campaign CEO”. This is a weasel way of trying to hide the fact that Bannon is actually in charge of things and Kellyanne Conway is just a figurehead whose only job is to try and spin things more coherently than Katrina Pierson.

I loved the comment the other night that noted that the poster had seen that face in the caskets of Irish drinks throughout his life in Pittsburgh. Well, I’m Irish, and I have seen that face at many a funeral, too.

He may be a high-functioning alcoholic, but that man will not be with us long with that kind of damage to his body. Also, most alpha-male drunks are really mean drunks. It goes with the testosterone.

Whiskey: It’s what kept the Irish from conquering the world.

retired cynic Sep 2, 2016 • 8:23:49pm

re: #49 austin_blue

… Whiskey: It’s what kept the Irish from conquering the world.

And it’s keeping me up right now!

austin_blue Sep 2, 2016 • 8:29:06pm

re: #50 retired cynic

And it’s keeping me up right now!

In moderation, a wee dram is a lovely thing. I am sipping an Ardbeg single 14-year old.

The nice thing about single malts is that they are so fucking expensive that it’s very difficult to be a lush unless you’ve got scads of money. I don’t.

Apparently, Steve Bannon has scads of money.

retired cynic Sep 2, 2016 • 8:30:09pm

re: #51 austin_blue

In moderation, a wee dram is a lovely thing. I am sipping an Ardbeg single 14-year old.

The nice thing about single malts is that they are so fucking expensive that it’s very difficult to be a lush unless you’ve got scads of money. I don’t.

Apparently, Steve Bannon has scads of money.

Me, neither. Jack D is expensive enough for me, and that keeps me from going too far.

Barefoot Grin Sep 2, 2016 • 8:30:44pm

Just learned that Jon Polito, character actor in many Coen Bros. movies, has died. He was especially memorable as Johnny Caspar in “Miller’s Crossing” (“Are you givin’ me the high hat?”) I loved him in every role, without actually knowing who he was.

William Lewis Sep 2, 2016 • 8:33:32pm

More of why I refuse to use Twitter:

White Nationalist Movement grew on Twitter by 600% in 4 years, outperforming ISIS

sagehen Sep 2, 2016 • 8:35:03pm

re: #34 Ziggy_TARDIS

OT, but this year has been a catastrophe for Music.

Not talking about the deaths of people like Bowie, Prince, Glen Frey, Maurice White, Merle Haggard, and so many more.

The actual Music released this year has been complete and utter garbage, with a small number of exceptions that haven’t charted. This might be the worst year for music in my lifetime.

I was born in 1990, and I can and do like some Pop Music, and do watch the charts.

The worst thing about this year is the continued popularity of Meghan Trainor.

Not a Lemonade fan, huh?

Blind Frog Belly White Sep 2, 2016 • 8:35:05pm

re: #35 Belafon

The decoration in the library at my youngest son’s school:

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That’s no moon….

Ziggy_TARDIS Sep 2, 2016 • 8:35:39pm

re: #55 sagehen

That was an exception. That slipped my mind, between everything else.

Lidane Sep 2, 2016 • 8:36:36pm

fixed it pic.twitter.com/NejaqyI3CF

— Ashley Feinberg (@ashleyfeinberg) September 3, 2016

Ia! Ia! Trump Ftaghn! (née Sophist) Sep 2, 2016 • 8:36:54pm

austin_blue Sep 2, 2016 • 8:46:29pm

re: #53 Barefoot Grin

Just learned that Jon Polito, character actor in many Coen Bros. movies, has died. He was especially memorable as Johnny Caspar in “Miller’s Crossing” (“Are you givin’ me the high hat?”) I loved him in every role, without actually knowing who he was.

The genius of Polito was that he could go from avuncular Italian goombah to a full-on psychopath halfway through a line with a twist of his eyebrows. The Coen’s wrote for him beautifully.

Great White Snark Sep 2, 2016 • 8:48:16pm

Beauty break anyone?

Spring Bee, 2016

teleskiguy Sep 2, 2016 • 8:49:15pm

re: #61 Great White Snark

Bee got a big ol’ butt …

austin_blue Sep 2, 2016 • 8:49:31pm

re: #61 Great White Snark

Beauty break anyone?

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Nice! Acacia plant?

Stanley Sea Sep 2, 2016 • 8:50:03pm

re: #49 austin_blue

I loved the comment the other night that noted that the poster had seen that face in the caskets of Irish drinks throughout his life in Pittsburgh. Well, I’m Irish, and I have seen that face at many a funeral, too.

He may be a high-functioning alcoholic, but that man will not be with us long with that kind of damage to his body. Also, most alpha-male drunks are really mean drunks. It goes with the testosterone.

Whiskey: It’s what kept the Irish from conquering the world.

DDeb was the eyewitness.

Stanley Sea Sep 2, 2016 • 8:51:42pm

re: #55 sagehen

Not a Lemonade fan, huh?

Formation Explicit

Thanks for reminding me to watch this again.

austin_blue Sep 2, 2016 • 8:53:12pm

re: #64 Stanley Sea

DDeb was the eyewitness.

Was that him? I didn’t know he was from Pittsburgh. I just kept laughing and popping the +1 button because it was so true.

Barefoot Grin Sep 2, 2016 • 8:55:36pm

re: #60 austin_blue

The genius of Polito was that he could go from avuncular Italian goombah to a full-on psychopath halfway through a line with a twist of his eyebrows. The Coen’s wrote for him beautifully.

Beautifully put. That is absolutely the Miller’s Crossing character. And then he slaps the kid, then hugs him in contrition. Of course, since that is one of my favorite movies of all time, I think all the actors are brilliant. And the Coens made them so.

Great White Snark Sep 2, 2016 • 8:57:41pm

re: #63 austin_blue

Nice! Acacia plant?

Flax, I dunno but ‘been told.

Dave In Austin Sep 2, 2016 • 9:01:59pm

Evening all.

I don’t even have a clever caption. I just know it will be retweeted. I’ve given up. pic.twitter.com/6skkVv4Nac

— Dave Septemberkowitz (@davelozo) September 3, 2016

stpaulbear Sep 2, 2016 • 9:04:05pm

re: #48 gocart mozart

Godfrey Daniel - Whole Lotta Love (Led Zeppelin Doo-wop Cover)

Eclectic Cyborg Sep 2, 2016 • 9:04:15pm

re: #3 teleskiguy

Children of the Trump

stpaulbear Sep 2, 2016 • 9:07:44pm

re: #71 Eclectic Cyborg

Children of the Trump

Children of the Corp.

CleverToad Sep 2, 2016 • 9:11:10pm

re: #39 Eric The Fruit Bat

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Best wishes for you and yours in this transition (and pats for the kitteh). As caregiver to caregiver, I salute you — not always an easy road, but worth the journey.

JasonA Sep 2, 2016 • 9:13:25pm

re: #71 Eclectic Cyborg

Children of the Trump

Children of the Scorn.

Romantic Heretic Sep 2, 2016 • 9:15:04pm

re: #49 austin_blue

Also, most alpha-male drunks are really mean drunks. It goes with the testosterone.

That was my first thought the first time I saw a picture of Bannon. “That man is a mean drunk.”

austin_blue Sep 2, 2016 • 9:20:06pm

re: #75 Romantic Heretic

That was my first thought the first time I saw a picture of Bannon. “That man is a mean drunk.”

Granted, we have made assumptions and a diagnosis based on a patient who we have not examined, which we rail against here, and well we should, but good dog, the past history of his life is blinking really bright red lights, isn’t it?

Still, he could have rosacea and is a puppy dog in real life. What are the odds?

austin_blue Sep 2, 2016 • 9:22:16pm

re: #74 JasonA

Children of the Scorn.

That’s the one! Winner, winner, chicken dinner!

retired cynic Sep 2, 2016 • 9:23:59pm

re: #76 austin_blue

Granted, we have made assumptions and a diagnosis based on a patient who we have not examined, but good dog, the past history of his life is blinking really bright red lights, isn’t it?

Still, he could have rosacea and is a puppy dog in real life. What are the odds?

I have a friend who has rosacea and I would swear has never taken a drink in her life. But she isn’t heading up Breitbart and Trump Political Inc., either!

Interesting Times Sep 2, 2016 • 9:24:40pm

Now that the debate moderators have been announced, something else occurred to me - we’ve mostly speculated that trump will either skip all the debates, or the last two if the first one goes horribly…but is there a chance he’ll do the opposite, and only attend the *last* debate? That’s the one where Fox’s Chris Wallace is the moderator.

retired cynic Sep 2, 2016 • 9:26:16pm

re: #79 Interesting Times

Now that the debate moderators have been announced, something else occurred to me - we’ve mostly speculated that trump will either skip all the debates, or the last two if the first one goes horribly…but is there a chance he’ll do the opposite, and only attend the *last* debate? That’s the one where Fox’s Chris Wallace is the moderator.

He could try that, but why would anybody else go along with it?

retired cynic Sep 2, 2016 • 9:29:39pm

re: #80 retired cynic

If the Fox moderator was first, I can see him trying something like that. Do it; say they weren’t ‘fair,’ and cut out on the rest of them.

KingKenrod Sep 2, 2016 • 9:29:49pm

Children of the Con. pic.twitter.com/J09iDDi4Ut

— emily nussbaum (@emilynussbaum) September 3, 2016

Stanley Sea Sep 2, 2016 • 9:32:01pm

re: #75 Romantic Heretic

That was my first thought the first time I saw a picture of Bannon. “That man is a mean drunk.”

He has a fucking scab on his nose. And that photo is from the Trump African American (the black interns from the RNC) meeting. So rather fresh.

austin_blue Sep 2, 2016 • 9:38:24pm

re: #79 Interesting Times

Now that the debate moderators have been announced, something else occurred to me - we’ve mostly speculated that trump will either skip all the debates, or the last two if the first one goes horribly…but is there a chance he’ll do the opposite, and only attend the *last* debate? That’s the one where Fox’s Chris Wallace is the moderator.

I don’t think he can. The problem for Trump is that he can’t get above 42% nationally. That’s a disaster for down-ballot races. He’s got to go in and WIN! at the first debate. If he skates on the first two, to be crude, he’ll look like a pussyboy for not going up against a girl.

At this point, he cannot cede any ground.

I simply cannot wait. She is going to rip him a new asshole, half-hang, draw, quarter, and disembowel him on national TV.

She Who Must Be Obeyed and I have acquired Very Special Popcorn (The Best!) for the inevitable slaughter. Can’t wait!

Stanley Sea Sep 2, 2016 • 9:43:34pm

Ya’ll seen this one?

When Ruline was born in 1913, women couldn’t vote.

In 2016, she’ll cast her vote to elect the 1st woman president. pic.twitter.com/QSCZI7JbrV

— Hillary Clinton (@HillaryClinton) September 2, 2016

teleskiguy Sep 2, 2016 • 9:44:24pm

re: #84 austin_blue

She Who Must Be Obeyed and I have acquired Very Special Popcorn (The Best!) for the inevitable slaughter. Can’t wait!

Drugs Are Good

Grunthos the Flatulent Sep 2, 2016 • 9:47:20pm

Spotted this on the shelves in my local supermarket here down under. Without comment:

Lancelot Link Sep 2, 2016 • 9:53:04pm

re: #75 Romantic Heretic

That was my first thought the first time I saw a picture of Bannon. “That man is a mean drunk.”

I’m sure he’s mean sober, too.

JasonA Sep 2, 2016 • 9:53:05pm

re: #87 Grunthos the Flatulent

Spotted this on the shelves in my local supermarket here down under. Without comment:

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I have nothing but hate for IPAs, so I guess this works.

Targetpractice Sep 2, 2016 • 10:04:03pm

So I see they have pictures from the new remake of Invasion of the Body Snatchers…oh wait, those are the Trump kids. Nevermind.

teleskiguy Sep 2, 2016 • 10:04:33pm

re: #89 JasonA

I have nothing but hate for IPAs

Blasphemy.

austin_blue Sep 2, 2016 • 10:04:50pm

re: #89 JasonA

I have nothing but hate for IPAs, so I guess this works.

Try Lagunitas’ Wilco Tango Foxtrot. A hoppy, but balanced brown ale. Very nice.

I’ll agree that most American IPA’s make me wince. If you are marketing a beer called Hop Stoopid, it’s probably stupidly bitter.

I can see the CDC Report in five years: Hop Aromatics- The Silent Killers!

plansbandc Sep 2, 2016 • 10:08:30pm

plansbandc Sep 2, 2016 • 10:09:56pm

re: #89 JasonA

I loathe them also, and I generally love beer!

Alyosha Sep 2, 2016 • 10:17:24pm

[hat tip @saladinahmed] pic.twitter.com/vWQdoPeAEb

— Rob Beschizza (@Beschizza) September 3, 2016

Alyosha Sep 2, 2016 • 10:19:50pm

Helpind my step-aunt move. Tensions are bubbling up lol

austin_blue Sep 2, 2016 • 10:22:01pm

re: #95 Alyosha

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That’s brilliant.

Grunthos the Flatulent Sep 2, 2016 • 10:23:05pm

re: #89 JasonA

I have nothing but hate for IPAs, so I guess this works.

Your error is noted. I will pray for your enlightenment.

Blind Frog Belly White Sep 2, 2016 • 10:25:21pm

re: #98 Grunthos the Flatulent

Your error is noted. I will pray for your enlightenment.

I feel like every brewer in America is saying, “Look! I, too, can buy a shitload of hops to make your teeth feel etched after a few sips!”

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Grunthos the Flatulent Sep 2, 2016 • 10:26:35pm

re: #99 Blind Frog Belly White

I feel like every brewer in America is saying, “Look! I, too, can buy a shitload of hops to make your teeth feel etched after a few sips!”

Or you can do it properly.

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Blind Frog Belly White Sep 2, 2016 • 10:28:38pm

There’s so much more to beer than fucking IPAs, but that’s 2/3 of the microbrews I see. Nothing necessarily wrong with IPAs, but for cripes sake, TRY TO MAKE SOMETHING ELSE!

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Bass Reeves Sep 2, 2016 • 10:30:48pm

I swear, if I don’t agree with you guys on hating pineapple on pizza, I’m definitely on board with hating IPAs. It took me long enough to develop an actual taste for beer before brewers turned it into carbonated pine-sol.

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austin_blue Sep 2, 2016 • 10:36:22pm

re: #99 Blind Frog Belly White

I feel like every brewer in America is saying, “Look! I, too, can buy a shitload of hops to make your teeth feel etched after a few sips!”

Yup, it’s like the Great Alcohol Wars of a few years ago between brewers in Scotland/England vs. Germany. Eventually a Scots brewer came out with “Sink the Bismarck”…

Brewer’s Description:

“Sink the Bismarck! is beer, amplified. With the volume turned full up, it is important you that you be careful with this beer and show it the same amount of sceptical, tentative respect you would show an international chess superstar, clown or gypsy. Sink the Bismarck is a quadruple IPA that contains four times the hops, four times the bitterness and frozen four times to create at a staggering 41% ABV. This is IPA amplified, the most evocative style of the craft beer resistance with the volume cranked off the scale. Kettle hopped, dry hopped then freeze hopped for a deep fruit, resinous and spicy aroma. A full out attack on your taste-buds ensues as the incredibly smooth liquid delivers a crescendo of malt, sweet honey, hop oils and a torpedo of hop bitterness which lasts and lasts.”

That shit was 82 proof. I cannot imagine drinking it without my gums falling out. No, no, no, thank you very much, I’ll take a pass.

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teleskiguy Sep 2, 2016 • 10:37:02pm

My favorite canned beer (Note: I was born in Durango, CO):

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Blind Frog Belly White Sep 2, 2016 • 10:37:33pm

re: #102 Bass Reeves

I swear, if I don’t agree with you guys on hating pineapple on pizza, I’m definitely on board with hating IPAs. It took me long enough to develop an actual taste for beer before brewers turned it into carbonated pine-sol.

Nah, that was Anchor Spruce Beer. They made that, because apparently the colonists in early America had no hops, and needed SOMETHING to preserve/flavor the beer, so they used spruce buds among other things. I bought two bottles. Made it 3 swallows into the first bottle. Poured it out.

This gave me new respect for what our ancestors were willing to go through for beer.

But back to IPAs, it’s starting to feel like the XTREME!! Sports version of brewing. It’s no longer enough to make good beer in a variety of styles. Now you gotta have 3 or 4 more and more XTREME!!! IPAs, and maybe - MAYBE! - a pale ale.

I suspect the brewers are getting tired of this fashion, too, but people keep buying them.

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austin_blue Sep 2, 2016 • 10:40:39pm

re: #105 Blind Frog Belly White

Nah, that was Anchor Spruce Beer. They made that, because apparently the colonists in early America had no hops, and needed SOMETHING to preserve/flavor the beer, so they used spruce buds among other things. I bought two bottles. Made it 3 swallows into the first bottle. Poured it out.

This gave me new respect for what our ancestors were willing to go through for beer.

But back to IPAs, it’s starting to feel like the XTREME!! Sports version of brewing. It’s no longer enough to make good beer in a variety of styles. Now you gotta have 3 or 4 more and more XTREME!!! IPAs, and maybe - MAYBE! - a pale ale.

I suspect the brewers are getting tired of this fashion, too, but people keep buying them.

Bernie Bro market forces? Prolly.

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Blind Frog Belly White Sep 2, 2016 • 10:43:16pm

re: #106 austin_blue

Bernie Bro market forces? Prolly.

//

I was gonna write a bit about two BernieBros talking about their most XTREME!!!! IPA experience, but I realized I have no clue about the young hepcats of today and their groovy lingo.

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austin_blue Sep 2, 2016 • 10:45:54pm

re: #107 Blind Frog Belly White

I was gonna write a bit about two BernieBros talking about their most XTREME!!!! IPA experience, but I realized I have no clue about the young hepcats of today and their groovy lingo.

Now, see, that’s funny. As a 60 year old white guy, I can relate, dude bro!

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Dave In Austin Sep 2, 2016 • 10:46:01pm

Who is David Bossie?#Maddow https://t.co/QD9phhZSRb

— Maddow Blog (@MaddowBlog) September 3, 2016

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teleskiguy Sep 2, 2016 • 10:46:30pm

Karen Francis Monahan especially loved “Little Red Corvette” at the Revolution Reunion @FirstAvenue . pic.twitter.com/zbSgWDogUZ

— Rep. Keith Ellison (@keithellison) September 3, 2016

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Blind Frog Belly White Sep 2, 2016 • 10:46:56pm

re: #103 austin_blue

Yup, it’s like the Great Alcohol Wars of a few years ago between brewers in Scotland/England vs. Germany. Eventually a Scots brewer came out with “Sink the Bismarck”…(snip)

That shit was 82 proof. I cannot imagine drinking it without my gums falling out. No, no, no, thank you very much, I’ll take a pass.

At that proof, I think I’ll stick with my whiskeys and my Pusser’s Navy Rum.

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Blind Frog Belly White Sep 2, 2016 • 10:49:19pm

re: #108 austin_blue

Now, see, that’s funny. As a 60 year old white guy, I can relate, dude bro!

Maybe you can tell me - I’m 58. Another 2 1/2 months, and I’ll be 59. “Pushing 60” as they say. So, when you turn 61, will you be PULLING 60?

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retired cynic Sep 2, 2016 • 10:50:54pm

re: #112 Blind Frog Belly White

Maybe you can tell me - I’m 58. Another 2 1/2 months, and I’ll be 59. “Pushing 60” as they say. So, when you turn 61, will you be PULLING 60?

Absolutely. And it gets heavier as you go through the 60s!

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Bass Reeves Sep 2, 2016 • 10:52:58pm

I was putzing along with my Sam Adams and Shiner, and then I got introduced to Westvleteren 12 by a complete a-hole (he lived in Belgium and had it much cheaper there), for which I have finally found an emotional replacement in Chimay Grande Reserve. Y’all can keep your pale stuff.

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William Lewis Sep 2, 2016 • 10:58:59pm

Just give me a nice nut brown ale or a small local brewer’s take on a simple American pils lager. Nothing fancy.

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EPR-radar Sep 2, 2016 • 11:11:23pm

re: #100 Grunthos the Flatulent

+1 for the nickname. Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy:

Vogon poetry is, of course, the third worst in the universe. The second worst is that of the Azgoths of Kria. During a recitation by their poet master Grunthos the Flatulent of his poem “Ode to a Small Lump of Green Putty I Found in My Armpit One Midsummer Morning”, four of the audience members died of internal hemorrhaging and the president of the Mid-Galactic Arts Nobbling Council survived only by gnawing one of his own legs off. Grunthos was reported to have been “disappointed” by the poem’s reception, and was about to embark on a reading of his 12-book epic entitled “My Favourite Bathtime Gurgles” when his own large intestine - in a desperate attempt to save life itself - leapt straight up through his neck and throttled his brain.

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austin_blue Sep 2, 2016 • 11:13:26pm

re: #112 Blind Frog Belly White

Maybe you can tell me - I’m 58. Another 2 1/2 months, and I’ll be 59. “Pushing 60” as they say. So, when you turn 61, will you be PULLING 60?

Nah, I’ll just be 61. Age is just a marker in time. It doesn’t define who you are. You are what you believe in, what you love, and how much you can empathize with your world. It makes me feel so sorry for the people with so much hate that they truly believe that Trumps is, in a very fundamental way, a Jesus for them.

He’s a receptacle into which they can spill their bile, their frustration, their rage.

I don’t think you can fix people like that. I just hope they can be controlled, because their rage has few sane outlets. They could just blow up, and that would simply lead to senseless violence. And they would lose, and they would die.

A horrific, but possible, reality. I don’t think they have any concept of how many people are willing to defend this country, with arms, to protect this Democracy. They tried it once before. It didn’t end well, either.

Goodnight, all. We’ve got lunch guests tomorrow. Sweet Gila Monster dreams.

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freetoken Sep 3, 2016 • 12:23:26am

Music for the wee hours of the morning:

Frederick Delius - To be sung of a summer night on the water

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Lancelot Link Sep 3, 2016 • 12:39:17am

Some IPAs are pretty good, but a lot of them are just too much.
These days, i’m mostly drinking this;

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sagehen Sep 3, 2016 • 12:49:38am

Vote for Trump, or else: pic.twitter.com/hWA1U8t4eJ

— ian bremmer (@ianbremmer) September 2, 2016

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light)) Sep 3, 2016 • 1:03:24am

re: #120 sagehen

Vote for Trump, or else:

I hear he is buying a whole fleet of Taco/Shawarma trucks…

AND THEY’RE ALL HALAL!!!!!!!

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light)) Sep 3, 2016 • 1:22:22am

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Decatur Deb Sep 3, 2016 • 3:52:00am

re: #115 William Lewis

Just give me a nice nut brown ale or a small local brewer’s take on a simple American pils lager. Nothing fancy.

You and your damn “Yeunglings Isn’t Union” have forced a 150% increase in my beer costs. The only thing in this town that holds to solidarity and doesn’t taste like shit is Guinness American Blonde. Drinking less, rationalizing it more…

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Ming5000 Sep 3, 2016 • 3:58:54am

Get ready, the Malhuer Occupier trail starts September 7.

OPB

The trial of Bundy and seven others will begin Sept. 7. Those defendants are all charged with a conspiracy to impede federal workers from doing their jobs.

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Ming5000 Sep 3, 2016 • 4:12:40am

Holy Mackeral, the comment thread in this Oregon Live article about the Malhuer occupation led me to the fact that we are not the United States for America, but in fact as of 1871 we are the United States of America Incorporated!

People need to pay attention because if it can happen to the people at the Refuge, it can happen to you when you or someone close to you is being unfairly targeted by this corporate entity that wants something you have.

For example, things you have like a Wildlife Refuge just sitting there ripe for the picking, or juicy (desert) grazing lands just laying there!

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Mike Lamb Sep 3, 2016 • 4:14:27am

Sounds like a lot of people have had the wrong IPAs.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate Sep 3, 2016 • 4:22:02am

re: #126 Mike Lamb

Sounds like a lot of people have had the wrong IPAs.

For sure. I had some very good ones in Denver and Cedar Rapids, but then again, I like hoppy beers.

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Anymouse Sep 3, 2016 • 4:22:53am

Indiana Judge orders Purvi Patel, the woman in 2015 who was the first woman to ever be convicted of feticide in the USA to be immediately released.

commondreams.org

Problem: though that charge was vacated, the judge indicated she was still guilty of “child neglect” and left that as a conviction on her record.

Ms. Patel was convicted of those charges based on entering a hospital in 2013 with blood loss after a stillbirth. Prosecutors alleged she took drugs to induce an abortion based on texts in her cell phone. Tests revealed no drugs in her or the foetus’s systems.

She was convicted on the scientifically-discredited “float test,” arguing she left a living baby in the trash.

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HappyWarrior Sep 3, 2016 • 5:11:50am

re: #120 sagehen

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Please tell me that’s a real place.

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GlutenFreeJesus Sep 3, 2016 • 5:41:39am

Is there anyone involved with Trump who also isn’t a phony? Looks like Mark Burns lied about his education and Army reserve service. (He was in the national guard). And he blames it all on his website being hacked, although the hosting company denies it was.

cnn.com

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Targetpractice Sep 3, 2016 • 5:42:25am

Note to self: Driving an SUV in tropical storm conditions can make things…interesting.

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jeffreyw Sep 3, 2016 • 5:42:33am

Imgur

Good morning!

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Decatur Deb Sep 3, 2016 • 5:42:46am

Internet privacy/security advice for the Council of Trent:

“When speaking in any conversation, do not think you are talking in private, but in public, so as to measure your words, and to say nothing you would not wish every one to know.”
—Loyola, 1545

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Anymouse Sep 3, 2016 • 5:54:30am

re: #131 Targetpractice

Note to self: Driving an SUV in tropical storm conditions can make things…interesting.

I’m glad I am not on the east coast with my Smart.

In the meantime, conservatives still after Gold Star Families. As I said at my county party meeting the other night, “I never thought wearing a Congressional Gold Star Family Lapel Button would be an act of protest against a major party candidate.”

More conservatives who don’t understand that disagreement is not calling someone a liar, and do not understand what a Gold Star Family is. Patriots I tell ya, the lot of them.

And honouring the wishes of the families of the deceased. Not that either.

@HillaryClinton Highly doubtful. She’s called #GoldStarFamilies liars instead. https://t.co/u6VnHevyKX

— Jodi McPhee Giddings (@JodiGiddings) September 1, 2016

Mrs Clinton, have you EVER prayed for them or their families? #MattLauerDebateQuestions pic.twitter.com/g46OJxIGGY

— Randall (@R4Randall1) September 1, 2016

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Anymouse Sep 3, 2016 • 6:06:45am

Note to wingnuts:

A Gold Star Family Member is a close relative (spouse, parent, child, sibling) of the Armed Forces who died in combat as declared by law in 1947 as amended.

It does not include civilian members of the Diplomatic Corps, including the scores and scores that died under President George W. Bush.

The loss of Diplomatic Corps members is tragic. Perhaps if the GOP had offered more in the way of security funding this might not have happened.

Look up Ambassador David Foy sometime. Where was the wingnut outrage then? (Oh right, none.) Where were the endless investigations of President Bush’s Secretary of State? (There wasn’t any.)

State Department duty during peacetime is more dangerous than the military, and always has been so. But I guess it’s okay if your a Republican.

Sincerely, an actual Gold Star Family Member.

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ObserverArt Sep 3, 2016 • 6:08:36am

re: #109 Dave In Austin

Maddow Blog ✔ @MaddowBlog
Who is David Bossie?#Maddow
9:20 PM - 2 Sep 2016
424 424 Retweets 387 387 likes

I caught Rachel’s bit on Bossie in the replay of her show late last night. It appears Trump is loading up on the crazy and is going to release a huge mud slide in the coming weeks.

I hope the Clinton staff has their hip boots on…it is going to get real dirty.

We may need an exorcism for Trump as this goes on. He is inviting in the evil spirits and they will take over his whole being.

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GlutenFreeJesus Sep 3, 2016 • 6:14:59am

re: #134 Anymouse

@R4Randall1 did you ever pray for David Foy? I’ll wait as you google to see who that is.

— efuseakay (@efuseakay) September 3, 2016

So sick of these assholes.

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Anymouse Sep 3, 2016 • 6:17:20am

re: #137 GlutenFreeJesus

Thanks.

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Anymouse Sep 3, 2016 • 6:20:20am

Then there are veterans:

What does @realDonaldTrump know about #patriotism ? What about his kids? #trump #draftDodger bad mouth #POWs #GoldStarFamilies

— 2xOIFveteran (@2xoifveteran) September 3, 2016

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Belafon Sep 3, 2016 • 6:31:19am

re: #137 GlutenFreeJesus

Prayer. A meaningless gesture for anything other than “Hey, God, I just wanted to let you know I’m trying to do the best I can but understand I’m not perfect. Please help me do your will.” (my summary of Jesus’ prayer)

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Ziggy_TARDIS Sep 3, 2016 • 6:32:04am

re: #134 Anymouse

That guy is Irish-American.

Wonder what he thought of the IRA?

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HappyWarrior Sep 3, 2016 • 6:35:55am

re: #134 Anymouse

I’m glad I am not on the east coast with my Smart.

In the meantime, conservatives still after Gold Star Families. As I said at my county party meeting the other night, “I never thought wearing a Congressional Gold Star Family Lapel Button would be an act of protest against a major party candidate.”

More conservatives who don’t understand that disagreement is not calling someone a liar, and do not understand what a Gold Star Family is. Patriots I tell ya, the lot of them.

And honouring the wishes of the families of the deceased. Not that either.

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IF this person actually respected them and their families, they’d know that the Stevens family particularly does not blame Clinton and resents teh attempts to blame her.Benghazi was traci but it was not unique and I’m sick of right wingers acting ike it was.

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Anymouse Sep 3, 2016 • 6:36:58am

But conservatives can’t help themselves. They really are despicable toward us.

I decided to keep my Gold Star Family license plates (and had the replacements sent back). I’ll be damned if conservatives shove me into the closet.

Mr. and Mrs. Khan: We have a lot of differences. I was born here, you are immigrants. You are Muslims, I am an atheist.

We also share something: We both lost a family member in combat in support of this nation, which is already great. My heart goes out to you on the loss of your son, who answered the call of his nation. You have every right to be angry, as does every person who lost a spouse, a son, a daughter, a sibling, or a parent, while the man and his surrogate who attacked your free speech rights called VD his personal Vietnam.

These are the people who are attacking you (and by extension, all of us). They are not patriots. They are not Christians. They spew their hatred on-line because in their hearts, that’s all they have. They neither believe in free speech nor freedom of religion. They only support us on Memorial Day and Veterans Day for photo ops. They are craven.

They are the sort of people I turned away when I was a Navy recruiter, because these sorts of “patriots” I would not have wanted to served with when I was in the Fleet.

Being a Veteran I respect #GoldStarFamilies, but not a camel jockey and radical Islamists pic.twitter.com/OCekfHdLsR @AngelTilaLove

— ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ (@republicknicks) August 6, 2016

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HappyWarrior Sep 3, 2016 • 6:40:19am

re: #143 Anymouse

But conservatives can’t help themselves. They really are despicable toward us.

I decided to keep my Gold Star Family license plates (and had the replacements sent back). I’ll be damned if conservatives shove me into the closet.

Mr. and Mrs. Khan: We have a lot of differences. I was born here, you are immigrants. You are Muslims, I am an atheist.

We also share something: We both lost a family member in combat in support of this nation, which is already great. My heart goes out to you on the loss of your son, who answered the call of his nation. You have every right to be angry, as does every person who lost a spouse, a son, a daughter, a sibling, or a parent, while the man and his surrogate who attacked your free speech rights called VD his personal Vietnam.

These are the people who are attacking you (and by extension, all of us). They are not patriots. They are not Christians. They spew their hatred on-line because in their hearts, that’s all they have.

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This person clearly doesn’t respect Gold Star families, I don’t care if he’s a vet or not. HE’s a bigot.

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Belafon Sep 3, 2016 • 6:40:23am

Want to see another weasel AP story:

A charity watchdog with an ongoing relationship with the Clinton Foundation gave the former first family’s nonprofit high marks Thursday, after an evaluation prompted by heightened interest in the organization.

The Clinton Foundation received four out of four stars — the highest rating that Charity Navigator gives after a close look at a charity’s finances. The rating is based on annual federal tax documents and an objective algorithm. It was not intended to reflect whether Hillary Clinton kept donors to her family’s foundation at appropriate arm’s length or provided favored access as secretary of state.

Both organizations disputed that their relationship was ongoing, despite language on the foundation’s Clinton Global Initiative website describing a Charity Navigator project commitment that runs through the end of 2016.

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CuriousLurker Sep 3, 2016 • 6:41:22am

Not staying, just came to drop these off. Enjoy. TTYL. ;-)

pic.twitter.com/COkDBYsQIk

— ABRobinson (@robgo84) September 2, 2016

Remind me — which elevator do these three step out of at the end of CABIN IN THE WOODS? pic.twitter.com/rPV9dLi8rC

— Patton Oswalt (@pattonoswalt) September 3, 2016

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HappyWarrior Sep 3, 2016 • 6:42:11am

If Benghazi sincerely bothers you, you should be angry at the House GOP as well who voted to cut embassy and consulate security funding. But if all your anger is at Obama, Rice, and Clinton, then you’re a dishonest hack who is using the tragedy simply because you hate Clinton. Do you really think Trump gives a shit about those four people who lost their lives that day? Benghazi was certainly tragic especially for the four families who lost a loved one that day but it wasn’t unique and it’s tiresome to see the party whose last president had far more attacks on embassies and consulates in his presidency present a dishonest narrative to to the people in this country that it was.

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dangerman Sep 3, 2016 • 6:43:39am

re: #145 Belafon

Want to see another weasel AP story:

i have an ongoing relationship with my independent auditor,. that doesnt mean they’re in collusion with me

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HappyWarrior Sep 3, 2016 • 6:44:40am

And last I saw, it’s not a crime to specialize in Muslim immigration as an immigration attorney. He specializes in Muslim immigration perhaps because he’s a Muslim immigrant himself and speaks the language that a lot of Muslim immigrants will speak as their primary language. As for him being a Shariah law believer and Muslim Brotherhood member and then likening that with being an immigration lawyer, I can’t even dignity that with a response. If this person is a veteran, he served with people of many different cultural backgrounds including Muslims. You’re allowed to be a Muslim immigration lawyer in this country. It’s not Trump’s America yet thankfully.

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Anymouse Sep 3, 2016 • 6:44:47am

re: #146 CuriousLurker

Well, I’m toast. Since I have already lived longer than any male in my family that anyone can remember, I suppose my dark sense of humour is all I have left to live for.

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Anymouse Sep 3, 2016 • 6:47:23am

re: #149 HappyWarrior

And last I saw, it’s not a crime to specialize in Muslim immigration as an immigration attorney. He specializes in Muslim immigration perhaps because he’s a Muslim immigrant himself and speaks the language that a lot of Muslim immigrants will speak as their primary language. As for him being a Shariah law believer and Muslim Brotherhood member and then likening that with being an immigration lawyer, I can’t even dignity that with a response. If this person is a veteran, he served with people of many different cultural backgrounds including Muslims. You’re allowed to be a Muslim immigration lawyer in this country. It’s not Trump’s America yet thankfully.

I served with Muslims in the Navy, ashore and afloat. Amazingly, they looked the same as me in uniform.

One fellow I worked with when I was aboard the USS America (CV-66), because he originally a refugee from the Golan Heights after the ‘73 war there, worked directly with the Captain when we were in port in Arabic speaking countries as an interpreter for him. He gave up his liberty time to do that.

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Belafon Sep 3, 2016 • 6:48:03am

re: #146 CuriousLurker

But my kid’s only 16.

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dangerman Sep 3, 2016 • 6:49:08am

re: #149 HappyWarrior

And last I saw, it’s not a crime to specialize in Muslim immigration as an immigration attorney. He specializes in Muslim immigration perhaps because he’s a Muslim immigrant himself and speaks the language that a lot of Muslim immigrants will speak as their primary language. As for him being a Shariah law believer and Muslim Brotherhood member and then likening that with being an immigration lawyer, I can’t even dignity that with a response. If this person is a veteran, he served with people of many different cultural backgrounds including Muslims. You’re allowed to be a Muslim immigration lawyer in this country. It’s not Trump’s America yet thankfully.

specialiizing in muslim immigration. im not sure about that
im no expert. id expect one specializes in countries of origin, issues in those countries that might make it easier/tougher to immigrate. not merely a religion (any religion) per se.

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Belafon Sep 3, 2016 • 6:49:43am

re: #149 HappyWarrior

And last I saw, it’s not a crime to specialize in Muslim immigration as an immigration attorney. He specializes in Muslim immigration perhaps because he’s a Muslim immigrant himself and speaks the language that a lot of Muslim immigrants will speak as their primary language. As for him being a Shariah law believer and Muslim Brotherhood member and then likening that with being an immigration lawyer, I can’t even dignity that with a response. If this person is a veteran, he served with people of many different cultural backgrounds including Muslims. You’re allowed to be a Muslim immigration lawyer in this country. It’s not Trump’s America yet thankfully.

The fact that Khan let his son go into the military, and is willing to talk about his son’s service, tells you everything about his feelings about America.

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Anymouse Sep 3, 2016 • 6:51:30am

re: #145 Belafon

Want to see another weasel AP story:

Gotta have that horse race.

I noted when the editor of my local newspaper sent an E-mail to everyone on the paper’s list asking “is our paper leaning too liberal?” (no), that they should be damn concerned about Mr. Trump’s treatment of the press.

All they printed were letters fawning over how “liberal” the paper was.

They did run a photo of a protester in Scottsbluff with a sign reading “Build a wall around Donald Trump and I’ll pay for it.”

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dangerman Sep 3, 2016 • 6:51:32am

re: #151 Anymouse

I served with Muslims in the Navy, ashore and afloat. Amazingly, they looked the same as me in uniform.

One fellow I worked with when I was aboard the USS America (CV-66), because he originally a refugee from the Golan Heights after the ‘73 war there, worked directly with the Captain when we were in port in Arabic speaking countries as an interpreter for him. He gave up his liberty time to do that.

i remind, in general that religion is not genetic. people convert in. they convert out. some religion is passed down culturally. some people from all parts of the world have no religion

anyone who believes you can tell by looking……

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lawhawk Sep 3, 2016 • 6:52:22am

Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area. TS Hermoine is still churning off the VA coast, throwing wind and waves all the way up the Eastern Seaboard, with NYC metro expected to see effects over the next 3-4 days. It’ll mostly be a coastal flooding event, as rain up this way being minimal while wind and storm surge/high tides contributing to beach erosion and coastal issues.

IOW, it’ll be a surfer’s paradise, if you’re going to even consider going into the maelstrom.

Meanwhile, Donny Trump’s bigot brigade continues to get vetted and found wanting. His black outreach dude, Pastor Burns, turns out to have lied about his background - not only did he lie about his college degree, but about his military service. Shocking, I know.

Trump surrounds himself with the best people. Liars, bigots, charlatans. You know, people who are just like him.

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Eric The Fruit Bat Sep 3, 2016 • 6:54:52am

Here’s a pretty good long read from New York Magazine: How Fox News women took down Roger Ailes

Here’s a tiny snippet of a much larger racier read:

According to interviews with Fox News women, Ailes would often begin by offering to mentor a young employee. He then asked a series of personal questions to expose potential vulnerabilities. “He asked, ‘Am I in a relationship? What are my familial ties?’ It was all to see how stable or unstable I was,” said a former employee. Megyn Kelly told lawyers at Paul, Weiss that Ailes made an unwanted sexual advance toward her in 2006 when she was going through a divorce. A lawyer for former anchor Laurie Dhue told me that Ailes harassed her around 2006; at the time, she was struggling with alcoholism.

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Anymouse Sep 3, 2016 • 6:56:38am

re: #157 lawhawk

Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area. TS Hermoine is still churning off the VA coast, throwing wind and waves all the way up the Eastern Seaboard, with NYC metro expected to see effects over the next 3-4 days. It’ll mostly be a coastal flooding event, as rain up this way being minimal while wind and storm surge/high tides contributing to beach erosion and coastal issues.

IOW, it’ll be a surfer’s paradise, if you’re going to even consider going into the maelstrom.

Meanwhile, Donny Trump’s bigot brigade continues to get vetted and found wanting. His black outreach dude, Pastor Burns, turns out to have lied about his background - not only did he lie about his college degree, but about his military service. Shocking, I know.

Trump surrounds himself with the best people. Liars, bigots, charlatans. You know, people who are just like him.

I realise the Stolen Valor Act was struck down as unconstitutional (free speech), but I wish there was some way to bring to heel conservative charlatans who claim service or medals they did not do or earn.

Perhaps if we had a press that held them up to the light and hammered them relentlessly until they buckled … nah. A free press doing its duty would be too much to ask.

It is still against the law to wear or display a Congressional Gold Star Family Lapel Button (my avatar) unless it was awarded to you. I suspect given the result of the Stolen Valor Act, someone will eventually challenge that on the grounds of free speech as well — and it won’t be a liberal.

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dangerman Sep 3, 2016 • 6:57:27am

re: #158 Eric The Fruit Bat

Here’s a pretty good long read from New York Magazine: How Fox News women took down Roger Ailes

Here’s a tiny snippet of a much larger racier read:

on ailes and trump add

jason linkins

and

michelle goldberg

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lawhawk Sep 3, 2016 • 6:57:34am

Oh, and the strongest earthquake to ever hit Oklahoma occurred earlier this morning (tied with a 2011 quake).

Strong Oklahoma earthquake felt from Nebraska to Texas https://t.co/7vhPAO6622 pic.twitter.com/GmdV9VDNSN

— Fox News (@FoxNews) September 3, 2016

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dangerman Sep 3, 2016 • 6:59:09am

re: #161 lawhawk

Oh, and the strongest earthquake to ever hit Oklahoma occurred earlier this morning (tied with a 2011 quake).

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“honey, did the earth move for you too?”

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lawhawk Sep 3, 2016 • 6:59:46am

The Cylons were created by man. They evolved. They rebelled. There are many copies. And they have a plan. pic.twitter.com/KMjMj2r3H5

— Gabriel Rossman (@GabrielRossman) September 3, 2016

Heh…

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HappyWarrior Sep 3, 2016 • 7:00:09am

re: #153 dangerman

specialiizing in muslim immigration. im not sure about that
im no expert. id expect one specializes in countries of origin, issues in those countries that might make it easier/tougher to immigrate. not merely a religion (any religion) per se.

I think you’re right about that. More likely he specializes in immigration from South Asia.

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BigPapa Sep 3, 2016 • 7:00:36am

re: #159 Anymouse

Perhaps if we had a press that held them up to the light and hammered them relentlessly until they buckled … nah. A free press doing its duty would be too much to ask.
.

We have to be our own journalists if not weed through the entire lot to find the few with objectivity and integrity.

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HappyWarrior Sep 3, 2016 • 7:00:47am

re: #154 Belafon

The fact that Khan let his son go into the military, and is willing to talk about his son’s service, tells you everything about his feelings about America.

Exactly. The people smearing him are such bastards and that sadly does include some veterans themselves.

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Anymouse Sep 3, 2016 • 7:01:23am

re: #161 lawhawk

Oh, and the strongest earthquake to ever hit Oklahoma occurred earlier this morning (tied with a 2011 quake).

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I was in Oklahoma for the 2011 earthquake.

I own a 1914 Royal model 10 typewriter, which always sits next to my computer (yes, I still use it).

Suddenly, the typewriter started moving to the right on its own, ending up listing over the edge of my computer-typewriter table while my chair also moved right with me in it.

Later that day, my wife and I went downtown in Ponca City, and several brick façades on buildings had collapsed into the street.

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Anymouse Sep 3, 2016 • 7:04:01am

Young Republicans after completing re-education:

The Cylons were created by man. They evolved. They rebelled. There are many copies. And they have a plan. pic.twitter.com/KMjMj2r3H5

— Gabriel Rossman (@GabrielRossman) September 3, 2016

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dangerman Sep 3, 2016 • 7:04:05am

re: #164 HappyWarrior

I think you’re right about that. More likely he specializes in immigration from South Asia.

also it depends on where you work
unless you are high profile and clients come to you, your market will likely be the nationality of immigrants / non-citizens who congregate where you are

(guessing) ie a southern california immigration attorney probably wouldnt see a lot of haitians where a floridian might

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HappyWarrior Sep 3, 2016 • 7:05:37am

re: #169 dangerman

also it depends on where you work
unless you are high profile and clients come to you, your market will likely be the nationality of immigrants / non-citizens who congregate where you are

(guessing) ie a southern california immigration attorney probably wouldnt see a lot of haitians where a floridian might

Certainly. Point of point is that it shouldn’t be outrageous that he probably has a lot of Muslim clients because well Virginia has a lot of Muslim immigrants.

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dangerman Sep 3, 2016 • 7:07:31am

re: #165 BigPapa

We have to be our own journalists if not weed through the entire lot to find the few with objectivity and integrity.

i see two parts to this

with the internet, uncovering “truth” is easier and faster and doesnt require reliance on the press. look how fast the pastors military record came into question

the second part is then broadcasting that information to enough people so that its taken into account and it matters. thats harder to do with the way people selectively watch/read what they want and with the general closed minded climate we are in

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Skip Intro Sep 3, 2016 • 7:07:34am

re: #168 Anymouse

A straight copy of this.

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dangerman Sep 3, 2016 • 7:09:40am

re: #170 HappyWarrior

Certainly. Point of point is that it shouldn’t be outrageous that he probably has a lot of Muslim clients because well Virginia has a lot of Muslim immigrants.

so to come full circle, whoever wrote that original tweet was not particularly intelligent or clever

(ive stopped using the word “moron” for two reasons. lately its insulting to morons. and itd be used so frequently as to lose all meaning)

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Anymouse Sep 3, 2016 • 7:11:47am

re: #170 HappyWarrior

Certainly. Point of point is that it shouldn’t be outrageous that he probably has a lot of Muslim clients because well Virginia has a lot of Muslim immigrants.

And yet there would not be a bat of an eye if he specialised in evangelical Christians.

The claim (whether true or not) still rests on a basis of religious bigotry (the implication Mr. Khan is somehow anti-American because he allegedly helps Muslims with their immigration work).

It is also anti-American in another way (for those who created the meme): All persons in the USA (American or no) have the right to an attorney.

These wingnuts do not speak for me (as an atheist, they’d probably want to roast me at the stake anyway). They do not represent with these memes American values of freedom of religion, freedom of speech, the right to an attorney, seeking redress, none of it.

General Smedley Butler, a desperate nation cries out for you.

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Anymouse Sep 3, 2016 • 7:13:45am

re: #173 dangerman

so to come full circle, whoever wrote that original tweet was not particularly intelligent or clever

(ive stopped using the word “moron” for two reasons. lately its insulting to morons. and itd be used so frequently as to lose all meaning)

Use the Teabagger sign version: moran.

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Anymouse Sep 3, 2016 • 7:15:51am

Jill Stein Shows Up in Wrong City for Speech Airplanes Clearly in the Tank for Hillary

(goes to Wonkettte)

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BigPapa Sep 3, 2016 • 7:15:56am

re: #171 dangerman

Uncovering truth is easy if you know where to look and how to verify. In the old days you had Murrow and Cronkite on TV for your small dose of journalism. Now we have a plethora of sources and mediums throwing all kinds of information at us: the good, bad, and ugly.

What is interesting is with choice people are finding the information they want in the packaging they like. When I want to find out what’s going on I check LGF first then check FB as I’ve ‘Liked’ multiple news sources so they aggregate. Then I’ll check local online newspapers. The point is there is no single source or person who is all: we have to check from all angles to figure out the truth and reality.

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dangerman Sep 3, 2016 • 7:19:29am

re: #175 Anymouse

Use the Teabagger sign version: moran.

Image: teabagger_moran.png

of course. i hadnt thought of that

i wonder if that guy ever goes outside and shows his face

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BigPapa Sep 3, 2016 • 7:19:46am

Speaking of journalism, Trump gets caught in obvious Pay to Play with Bondi but let’s talk about the Clinton Foundation with it’s vast lack of evidence of any Pay to Play.

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dangerman Sep 3, 2016 • 7:21:52am

re: #179 BigPapa

Speaking of journalism, Trump gets caught in obvious Pay to Play with Bondi but let’s talk about the Clinton Foundation with it’s vast lack of evidence of any Pay to Play.

remember: lack of evidence is proof of a successful conspiracy. after all, what would you expect to find?

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BigPapa Sep 3, 2016 • 7:25:53am

That’s why Crooked Hillary is so Crooked: she never gets caught!

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PhillyPretzel Sep 3, 2016 • 7:26:14am

re: #181 BigPapa

lol

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Anymouse Sep 3, 2016 • 7:27:24am

re: #140 Belafon

Prayer. A meaningless gesture for anything other than “Hey, God, I just wanted to let you know I’m trying to do the best I can but understand I’m not perfect. Please help me do your will.” (my summary of Jesus’ prayer)

Speaking of which, the village (minus my wife and me and the other godless heathens who work for the village government) are gathering across the street from my house for Sunday services. I’m safe, my curtains are closed.

This place is very unusual for a conservative, deeply red state area. Atheists and agnostics make up both the majority of the elected officials, and all of the employees. (No we don’t discriminate against religious people in hiring practices for the village.)

I can’t figure it out. The majority of the people in the village are members of either the Lutheran Church across the street from my house, or the Catholic or Greek Orthodox Churches in the county seat, but they elect atheists and agnostics. (Shame they don’t elect more Democrats than me, but you can’t have everything I guess.) The village doesn’t care that the employees are all atheists. (Fancy that, they care the employees do their jobs.)

I scratch my head frequently over how such a deeply conservative and religious area as this has such an unusual government makeup for any city (even in godless Vermont [tm] I doubt you could find a city with no religious people in the employment of a city).

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light)) Sep 3, 2016 • 7:28:10am

re: #149 HappyWarrior

And last I saw, it’s not a crime to specialize in Muslim immigration as an immigration attorney. He specializes in Muslim immigration perhaps because he’s a Muslim immigrant himself and speaks the language that a lot of Muslim immigrants will speak as their primary language. As for him being a Shariah law believer and Muslim Brotherhood member and then likening that with being an immigration lawyer, I can’t even dignity that with a response. If this person is a veteran, he served with people of many different cultural backgrounds including Muslims. You’re allowed to be a Muslim immigration lawyer in this country. It’s not Trump’s America yet thankfully.

It is a matter of RWNJ faith that the only reason they came here was to undermine America, institute Sharia Law and, if possible, cash in on social services at the expense of hard-working (white) taxpayers.

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Anymouse Sep 3, 2016 • 7:30:13am

re: #178 dangerman

of course. i hadnt thought of that

i wonder if that guy ever goes outside and shows his face

My guess he doesn’t even know how much the left has pilloried that sign. After all, I am sure it never appeared on FOX News Channel, The Blaze, or Free Republic.

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PhillyPretzel Sep 3, 2016 • 7:33:06am

This morning I am at Wegmans and they have their TV set on CNN. I asked one of the clerks if the TV can receive PBS stations. She said it can but management wants CNN or Sports. ::: eye roll :::

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Anymouse Sep 3, 2016 • 7:34:45am

re: #186 PhillyPretzel

This morning I am at Wegmans and they have their TV set on CNN. I asked one of the clerks if the TV can receive PBS stations. She said it can but management wants CNN or Sports. ::: eye roll :::

Ask for sports then. Or get a TVBegone device from Amazon to shut off television sets.

GOP lies like DRUMPF & says they care about our VETS, but here’s proof that they don’t!
Vote them OUT! #HillarysArmy pic.twitter.com/SkY7md41SQ

— Varidienne (@Varidienne) September 2, 2016

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Anymouse Sep 3, 2016 • 7:36:58am

Wingnuts aren’t just going after the Gold Star Family hashtag at Twitter, they are going after the VFW tag as well:

Just caught a glimpse of #CrookedHillary talking to vets.i 4 1 was so pissed off at the vets who were https://t.co/yx8C1CMpCD dare you #vfw

— Two Plus TwoEquals 6 (@ASNEMTON) August 31, 2016

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Anymouse Sep 3, 2016 • 7:42:45am

Representative John Lewis crowd-surfing on the Stephen Cobert show:

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As for the wingnuts bashing Mr. and Mrs. Khan, and the Veterans of Foreign Wars now:

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Anymouse Sep 3, 2016 • 7:46:59am

Only Christian troops of course. The poster seems not to care about other troops (Jews, Muslims, Sikhs, agnostics, atheists, &c &c &c)

#CCOT Memo to #Christian troops: We got your back https://t.co/aXCud2ZPuj #Military #VFW #USMC #USAF #USArmy #USN #USCG #NavySeals #Pjnet

— El Floyo (@Fingersflying) September 3, 2016

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge Sep 3, 2016 • 7:48:59am

re: #179 BigPapa

Speaking of journalism, Trump gets caught in obvious Pay to Play with Bondi but let’s talk about the Clinton Foundation with it’s vast lack of evidence of any Pay to Play.

Don’t forget the exact same deal with then-Texas-AG, now Governor Abbott.

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HappyWarrior Sep 3, 2016 • 7:49:21am

re: #190 Anymouse

Only Christian troops of course. The poster seems not to care about other troops (Jews, Muslims, Sikhs, agnostics, atheists, &c &c &c)

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They really do seem to think that the US armed forces is only for Christians.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light)) Sep 3, 2016 • 7:51:12am

re: #192 HappyWarrior

They really do seem to think that the US armed forces is only for Christians.

They insist that our soldiers are Christian Soldiers defending a Christian Nation. No point in even trying to reason with these folks, jut try to limit the amount of damage they can do…

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calochortus Sep 3, 2016 • 7:55:17am

re: #183 Anymouse

Speaking of which, the village (minus my wife and me and the other godless heathens who work for the village government) are gathering across the street from my house for Sunday services. I’m safe, my curtains are closed.

(bolding mine)

I’m glad you’re safe, but unless I really, really overslept, it’s Saturday and they’re gathering for another purpose.
Be afraid, be very afraid.

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PhillyPretzel Sep 3, 2016 • 7:55:54am

CNN is making a big fuss over the anti-trump protesters outside a Detroit church.

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Anymouse Sep 3, 2016 • 7:56:11am

re: #192 HappyWarrior

They really do seem to think that the US armed forces is only for Christians.

Yup. Started to see that in the Nineties, though as a shop supervisor toward the end of my service I was in a position to prevent proselytising in my shop.

Ye Gods. The Air Force Academy in Colorado Springs (which I avoid like the plague) is a regular crucible of proselytisation now; that is of considerable concern to me since they train officers for the Air Force.

Focus on the Family planted themselves right next to the Academy and started getting their people hired there for a reason. Mikey Weinstein of the Freedom From Religion Foundation is fighting the good fight (FFRF’s membership is majority Christian; seems the majority of Christians in the Armed Forces don’t care for the evangelical thrust to take over the military either).

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Anymouse Sep 3, 2016 • 7:56:56am

re: #194 calochortus

(bolding mine)

I’m glad you’re safe, but unless I really, really overslept, it’s Saturday and they’re gathering for another purpose.
Be afraid, be very afraid.

Sunday, Saturday, can’t keep track. The Lutheran Church here has services on both days.

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calochortus Sep 3, 2016 • 7:58:36am

re: #197 Anymouse

Sunday, Saturday, can’t keep track. The Lutheran Church here has services on both days.

That’s a relief. I was concerned torches and pitchforks might be involved.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light)) Sep 3, 2016 • 7:58:55am

re: #196 Anymouse

Focus on the Family planted themselves right next to the [Air Force] Academy and started getting their people hired there for a reason. Mikey Weinstein of the Freedom From Religion Foundation is fighting the good fight (FFRF’s membership is majority Christian; seems the majority of Christians in the Armed Forces don’t care for the evangelical thrust to take over the military either).

That has been the plan of the Religious Right ever since Ronald Reagan tossed them aside after Nancy’s house astrologer adviser her to: insinuate their people into influential positions in education, administration and government to make sure that nobody can ignore them.

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BigPapa Sep 3, 2016 • 8:01:38am

I don”t know about you guys but a Taco Truck on Every Corner would be wonderful. Not only delicious street food, but 9.6 million jerbs!

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Anymouse Sep 3, 2016 • 8:01:47am

re: #198 calochortus

That’s a relief. I was concerned torches and pitchforks might be involved.

If the letters I write to the paper don’t bring on the mob, I figure I am safe.

By the way, every time I write a letter calling out some egregious nonsense from the right (or occasionally praising a principled position from the same), I get bunches of telephone calls thanking me.

No one has ever called me telling me I should be strung up as a liberal sell-out of our country or something.

Yet my district (according to Nate Silver) is the most likely to vote for Mr. Trump. Go figure.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge Sep 3, 2016 • 8:03:33am

Everyone should pass along Betty Cracker’s 10 Questions for Trump:

1. Why do a clear majority of Americans dislike and distrust you?

2. Why do only 1% of black voters support your candidacy?

3. Why do you think your support among Latino voters has dropped to just 19%?

4. You’ve said you can’t release your tax returns because they are being audited, which is not true: Richard Nixon released his returns under audit as a sitting president, and the IRS has stated there’s no restriction on releasing returns while undergoing an audit. You also have the option to release past returns that aren’t under audit but have refused to do that either. What are you hiding?

5. In 2011, you claimed you sent a team to Hawaii to investigate the president’s birth certificate and reported that “they cannot believe what they are finding,” yet you never released any findings. Did you lie about dispatching investigators? If not, who were they, and what did they find?

6. Did you bribe your supporter Pam Bondi, the attorney general of Florida, to drop the Trump University fraud investigation? Do you think it’s appropriate for a state’s attorney general to accept substantial campaign contributions from a person whose company she is investigating for fraud?

7. In response to your frequent criticism of the Clinton Foundation, the Clinton campaign released the following statement:

Donald Trump has been falsely attacking the charity run by President Clinton when it is Trump’s own Foundation that has been caught in an actual pay-to-play scandal.

While the Clinton Foundation has received the highest ratings from independent charitable watchdogs, Donald Trump’s use of foundation money to donate to the Florida Attorney General actually broke the law. Worst of all, it appears the payment may have been intended to stave off an investigation into the sham Trump University that has ripped off unsuspecting students.

Donald Trump has no standing whatsoever to question the Clinton Foundation, which works to make AIDS and malaria drugs more accessible, when it’s been proven he uses his own foundation to launder illegal campaign donations.

Can you rebut those claims with specifics?

8. Why is a vicious, misogynistic workplace predator, Roger Ailes, serving as your advisor? Do you leave that pervert alone with female staffers or family members? Do you stand by the supportive remarks you made about Ailes in the wake of Gretchen Carlson’s accusations of sexual harassment?

9. In early August, you said your wife would hold a press conference to clear up questions that arose about her immigration status during a 1995 photo shoot in light of the fact that she previously claimed to have entered this country on a work visa in 1996. When will that press conference take place?

10. During your post-meeting press conference with Mexican President Enrique Peña Nieto, you claimed that payment for the wall was not discussed, but Peña says he told you Mexico would not pay for the wall. Which of you is lying? If you’re telling the truth and payment was not discussed, why not? You say Mexico will pay for the wall at every rally, and this is widely known in Mexico. Were you too cowardly to bring it up to Peña’s face?

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge Sep 3, 2016 • 8:06:18am

re: #202 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Sorry—if I copy the source code to retain links, all those extra line breaks get stuck in there, but if I try to remove them it gets FUBARed.

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Anymouse Sep 3, 2016 • 8:07:48am

re: #202 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

That would require a free press that cares about its own survival. Won’t happen.

Wingnuts on every Twitter hashtag surrounding the military, this one from the US Navy:

Anchors Away — Obama’s Sequestration Sinks #USNavy - American Thinker - https://t.co/FrEDwr0Fab - #PJNET - pic.twitter.com/7BKJhODRvi

— Daniel John Sobieski (@gerfingerpoken) September 3, 2016

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sagehen Sep 3, 2016 • 8:09:23am

re: #197 Anymouse

Sunday, Saturday, can’t keep track. The Lutheran Church here has services on both days.

Do they have loud bells at early hours?

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allegro Sep 3, 2016 • 8:09:32am

re: #204 Anymouse

That would require a free press that cares about its own survival. Won’t happen.

Wingnuts on every Twitter hashtag surrounding the military, this one from the US Navy:

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These guys really don’t get how our government works. SMH

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge Sep 3, 2016 • 8:10:00am

re: #204 Anymouse

That would require a free press that cares about its own survival. Won’t happen.

Wingnuts on every Twitter hashtag surrounding the military, this one from the US Navy:

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“Obama’s sequestration”? SRSLY?

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Great White Snark Sep 3, 2016 • 8:10:50am

BBC having fun with Donald’s Mexico trip. #BritishHumour pic.twitter.com/kBINMn1zWC

— ian bremmer (@ianbremmer) September 3, 2016

..@ianbremmer @lawhawk That’s not a wall it’s walk in take out. Extra queso for mine please.

— Daniel Ballard (@RW_Conspirator) September 3, 2016

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Anymouse Sep 3, 2016 • 8:11:07am

re: #205 sagehen

Do they have loud bells at early hours?

The church bell here is rather dull, as if it were made of pot metal or something. It doesn’t even sound like a bell to me. It sounds more like banging on a big tin of refried beans or something.

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allegro Sep 3, 2016 • 8:12:01am

re: #209 Anymouse

The church bell here is rather dull, as if it were made of pot metal or something. It doesn’t even sound like a bell to me. It sounds more like banging on a big tin of refried beans or something.

I see what you did there.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light)) Sep 3, 2016 • 8:12:13am

re: #207 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

“Obama’s sequestration? SRSLY?

The USS Ronald Reagan, which was dispatched to Japan to provide Tsunami relief after Fukushima.

If only Ronald himself could have been there when the captain presented his credentials and announced: “We’re from the US government and we’re here to help you!”

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Anymouse Sep 3, 2016 • 8:13:48am

re: #210 allegro

I see what you did there.

Perhaps we’ll get one of those taco trucks on every corner. The church and my house are on the same street corner; the village street is sixty feet wide: plenty of room for a taco truck.

C’mon, DNC: I want my taco truck.

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Great White Snark Sep 3, 2016 • 8:14:01am

re: #202 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Straight to my other networks. Thanks for posting.

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Anymouse Sep 3, 2016 • 8:15:22am

re: #213 Great White Snark

Straight to my other networks. Thanks for posting.

You have multiple networks? Conservatives demand investigation!

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gwangung Sep 3, 2016 • 8:15:27am

Austin stands ready to defend taco trucks on every corner until the cheese of justice melts onto the eggs of peace. https://t.co/SiuNU7tBSS

— Mayor Steve Adler (@MayorAdler) September 3, 2016

As I have said before, St. Paul admonishes us not to be overcome by evil but to overcome evil with tacos. We will have guac in our times.

— Mayor Steve Adler (@MayorAdler) September 3, 2016

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Ziggy_TARDIS Sep 3, 2016 • 8:18:44am

re: #189 Anymouse

I have some hesitancy on the first one.

Is it safe for an 76 year old man to crowd surf?

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PhillyPretzel Sep 3, 2016 • 8:19:04am

re: #215 gwangung

I will have the omelette of peace and justice.

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Anymouse Sep 3, 2016 • 8:19:08am

re: #207 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

“Obama’s sequestration”? SRSLY?

Everything is Obama’s fault: the San Francisco Earthquake, Hurricane Katrina, Pearl Harbor, the 1812 War.

BREAKING: Trump Promises “Extreme Vetting” of Immigrants, He’ll Only “Sarcastically” Use Torture and Nuclear Weapons pic.twitter.com/Nzt2qfL6Z8

— The Baxter Bean (@TheBaxterBean) August 15, 2016

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Ziggy_TARDIS Sep 3, 2016 • 8:20:05am

re: #196 Anymouse

I do worry about the Air Force a lot now. They seem to mirror the ISI in Pakistan in terms of behavior, and worry that they could be a threat to the moderates and rationalists in the US.

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Anymouse Sep 3, 2016 • 8:20:23am

re: #216 Ziggy_TARDIS

I have some hesitancy on the first one.

Is it safe for an 76 year old man to crowd surf?

Apparently so, since Mr. Lewis seems to have survived it.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge Sep 3, 2016 • 8:20:27am

re: #218 Anymouse

Everything is Obama’s fault: the San Francisco Earthquake, Hurricane Katrina, Pearl Harbor, the 1812 War.

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Sarcastic nuclear weapons are the worst!

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Ziggy_TARDIS Sep 3, 2016 • 8:20:33am

re: #196 Anymouse

The other 3 branches despise the Air Force.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge Sep 3, 2016 • 8:21:39am

re: #222 Ziggy_TARDIS

The other 3 branches despise the Air Force.

IMO, the independent Air Force is a failed experiment. Time to roll it up.

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PhillyPretzel Sep 3, 2016 • 8:22:21am

re: #223 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Besides Army Air Corps sounds better. :)

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Anymouse Sep 3, 2016 • 8:25:07am

re: #222 Ziggy_TARDIS

The other 3 branches despise the Air Force.

My mother was discussing the competition between the services with the US Marine Corp recruiter whilst I was in the Navy recruiter’s office filling in my application.

She noted to him (as a Navy veteran herself) she didn’t understand all the rivalry between the services; the different branches all work toward the same goals.

She noted they all are the same. As she was leaving the Marine Corps office, she stuck in “except for the Jarheads” and boogied into the Navy office. (::

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Anymouse Sep 3, 2016 • 8:26:01am

re: #223 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

IMO, the independent Air Force is a failed experiment. Time to roll it up.

The Navy has more aeroplanes anyway.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge Sep 3, 2016 • 8:28:22am

re: #226 Anymouse

The Navy has more aeroplanes anyway.

Naval (including USMC) aviation would be doing all the real work in any conflict we really should be engaging in nowadays anyway. The Strategic Rocket Forces (I see what I did there) should either be hived off from the AF or go back with the Army.

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Anymouse Sep 3, 2016 • 8:29:29am

re: #227 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Naval (including USMC) aviation would be doing all the real work in any conflict we really should be engaging in nowadays anyway. The Strategic Rocket Forces (I see what I did there) should either be hived off from the AF or go back with the Army.

Yup. 90% of the land area of the world is within range of a Naval air wing strike force.

#Trump has empathy for #AngelMoms but not for #GoldStarMoms
because all those AngelMoms were White

— T Gard (@Michiganborn58) September 1, 2016

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BeenHereAwhile Sep 3, 2016 • 8:29:49am

re: #177 BigPapa

Uncovering truth is easy if you know where to look and how to verify. In the old days you had Murrow and Cronkite on TV for your small dose of journalism. Now we have a plethora of sources and mediums throwing all kinds of information at us: the good, bad, and ugly.

What is interesting is with choice people are finding the information they want in the packaging they like. When I want to find out what’s going on I check LGF first then check FB as I’ve ‘Liked’ multiple news sources so they aggregate. Then I’ll check local online newspapers. The point is there is no single source or person who is all: we have to check from all angles to figure out the truth and reality.

Don’t have Facebook (everyone else in the family does), I’ve used Twitter as an information agragator since 2009.

Have a locked account, don’t tweet, and follow +/- 150 credible (IMHO) sources of international, political, military, social, economic, and entertaining information.

I also benefit from their re-tweets of sources they in turn follow.

The number I follow varies, as sources from time to time have gone off the rails waaay too far to the left or right in the past.

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Blind Frog Belly White Sep 3, 2016 • 8:30:00am

re: #134 Anymouse

NEVER FORGET BENGHAZI!!

Okay, but what about Beirut, where 241 Marines died. Isn’t that worse?

WHO WAS PRESIDENT?!?

Reagan. And then he pulled out of Lebanon and never got justice for them.

FORGET BEIRUT! NEVER FORGET BENGHAZI, THOUGH!!!

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Anymouse Sep 3, 2016 • 8:32:07am

re: #230 Blind Frog Belly White

NEVER FORGET BENGHAZI!!

Okay, but what about Beirut, where 241 Marines died. Isn’t that worse?

WHO WAS PRESIDENT?!?

Reagan. And then he pulled out of Lebanon and never got justice for them.

FORGET BEIRUT! NEVER FORGET BENGHAZI, THOUGH!!!

Yup. I was on the USS America when we went from a training mission in the Caribbean to the Med on no notice to help with the withdraw of the US Marine, French, and British forces there (since we don’t run from terrorism, according to wingnuts).

My two-week deployment turned into a three-month deployment.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge Sep 3, 2016 • 8:33:17am

re: #230 Blind Frog Belly White

NEVER FORGET BENGHAZI!!

Okay, but what about Beirut, where 241 Marines died. Isn’t that worse?

WHO WAS PRESIDENT?!?

Reagan. And then he pulled out of Lebanon and never got justice for them.

FORGET BEIRUT! NEVER FORGET BENGHAZI, THOUGH!!!

Let’s not forget 9/11, which was perpetrated to get American forces out of the KSA. First thing Bush did was give OBL exactly what he wanted.

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Anymouse Sep 3, 2016 • 8:35:15am

re: #232 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Let’s not forget 9/11, which was perpetrated to get American forces out of the KSA. First thing Bush did was give OBL exactly what he wanted.

9/11 was an inside job!!uno11!!!

No one ever asks the wingnuts who believe that why President George W Bush would perpetrate an inside job.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge Sep 3, 2016 • 8:36:32am

re: #233 Anymouse

9/11 was an inside job!!uno11!!!

No one ever asks the wingnuts who believe that why President George W Bush would perpetrate an inside job.

Because Bill Clinton was still Preznit when it happened. Fox News told me so!

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Great White Snark Sep 3, 2016 • 8:36:45am

re: #223 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

IMO, the independent Air Force is a failed experiment. Time to roll it up.

That flies in the face of many successes, and a record of near total air dominance where it fights. Long range conventional bombing and air to air. The logical division would seem to be the battlespace. The navy has it toughest a true 3 dimensional threat, under, on or over the water. We can’t afford 25 carriers and sometimes can’t wait days for the task force to arrive.

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Anymouse Sep 3, 2016 • 8:38:45am

re: #234 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Because Bill Clinton was still Preznit when it happened. Fox News told me so!

Thanks, Obama.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge Sep 3, 2016 • 8:39:12am

re: #235 Great White Snark

That flies in the face of many successes, and a record of near total air dominance where it fights. Long range conventional bombing and air to air. The logical division would seem to be the battlespace. The navy has it toughest a true 3 dimensional threat, under, on or over the water. We can’t afford 25 carriers and sometimes can’t wait days for the task force to arrive.

The distinction should be basing mode. Sea based aviation—Navy. Land based aviation—Army. Land based ballistic missiles? I dunno. They’re really just long-range artillery.

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Blind Frog Belly White Sep 3, 2016 • 8:42:50am

re: #234 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Because Bill Clinton was still Preznit when it happened. Fox News told me so!

Well, hey, it was only most of a year into Bush’s term. He’d only had time to cut taxes on rich people and install an entire National Security team, which then had only had 7 or 8 months to figure out what they were doing. Clearly it’s Clinton’s fault!

Remember back in 2008, after the election, when the financial crisis was causing 800,000 people a month to lose their jobs, and Sean Fucking Hannity was saying, “This is Obama’s Recession!” when he wasn’t even in office yet?

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Ziggy_TARDIS Sep 3, 2016 • 8:43:28am

re: #209 Anymouse

Might want to ask the church they want help in getting a replacement if it sounds like that.

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Great White Snark Sep 3, 2016 • 8:44:13am

re: #237 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

The distinction should be basing mode. Sea based aviation—Navy. Land based aviation—Army. Land based ballistic missiles? I dunno. They’re really just long-range artillery.

Interesting. So no space force as basing up there is against treaty.

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Ziggy_TARDIS Sep 3, 2016 • 8:46:11am

re: #223 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Every other nation in the world says no.

But the Air Force does need to be reformed/reconstructed, along with firing many, many of the Officer Corp, and also moving the Air Force Academy somewhere else.

You could move it to Fort Collins or Pueblo in state, or you could move it to say, Washington, California, New York State, Massachusetts, Maine, or perhaps even Utah.

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Ziggy_TARDIS Sep 3, 2016 • 8:47:25am

re: #235 Great White Snark

The Air Force just needs to be reformed or reconstructed.

And you need to take the AF Academy out of the toxic place.

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Great White Snark Sep 3, 2016 • 8:47:46am

re: #237 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

The distinction should be basing mode. Sea based aviation—Navy. Land based aviation—Army. Land based ballistic missiles? I dunno. They’re really just long-range artillery.

We have this conversation, and on my second monitor running CMANO a huge strategic war sim. Right now running Red Dragon Descends, a South China Sea fight over the disputed islands. Makes me think one day the US will have non nuclear ballistic missiles. They sure are a complication for us.

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BigPapa Sep 3, 2016 • 8:48:10am

The News and its New Silent Majority: Clinton Supporters

This election, I’ve been trying an experiment, judging journalism from a different perspective, from the outside, as a member of a community and a partisan. I don’t like what I’m learning about my profession.

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Anymouse Sep 3, 2016 • 8:48:30am

re: #239 Ziggy_TARDIS

Might want to ask the church they want help in getting a replacement if it sounds like that.

The bell was paid for and donated by a local (now deceased) resident. I don’t think they are interested in replacing it. That said, I don’t think they are really interested in my opinion on the matter.

Geez, I need to get to bed soon. I have a newsletter I am supposed to edit and format for mailing today, and I haven’t started on it yet. Fortunately, I can multitask, eating peanut butter sandwiches whilst drinking Kool-Aid mixed with Sailor Jerry’s and commenting here.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light)) Sep 3, 2016 • 8:48:45am

re: #237 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

The distinction should be basing mode. Sea based aviation—Navy. Land based aviation—Army. Land based ballistic missiles? I dunno. They’re really just long-range artillery.

The Air Force as a separate arm was founded based on the notion that long-range strategic bombing is the only weapon we need to win wars. That concept was never valid.

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Stanley Sea Sep 3, 2016 • 8:49:04am

Trump at Detroit church

Trump just held a baby. It’s a cute baby. Trump held it up high. Lion King high.

— Sam Sanders (@samsanders) September 3, 2016

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Great White Snark Sep 3, 2016 • 8:49:25am

re: #242 Ziggy_TARDIS

The Air Force just needs to be reformed or reconstructed.

And you need to take the AF Academy out of the toxic place.

Training and procurement? I agree. Operationally, less so.

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Anymouse Sep 3, 2016 • 8:50:22am

re: #242 Ziggy_TARDIS

The Air Force just needs to be reformed or reconstructed.

And you need to take the AF Academy out of the toxic place.

The only problem with that is Focus on the Family would just move to the new location.

The real issue would be keeping their folk from being employed by the Air Force, but would run up against I Amendment rights of religion (cannot ban someone for their views on religion).

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Great White Snark Sep 3, 2016 • 8:50:48am

re: #246 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

The Air Force is based on the notion that long-range strategic bombing is the only weapon we need to win wars. That concept was never valid.

Not quite. We don’t have 5th generation fighters for our bombers protection. We have them to own the air everyplace we fight. Except over water which of course would be naval aviation. recent example F-22 intercepts Syrian Mig without being detected even in daylight. Got within 2000 feet, knife fighting range before choosing to makes themselves known.

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Ziggy_TARDIS Sep 3, 2016 • 8:52:13am

re: #249 Anymouse

If you move it to a Non-Evangelical or Liberal Area, their influence will be blunted.

You could also investigate their charity and Tax-Exempt status. Find a reason to yank it.

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Nojay UK Sep 3, 2016 • 8:52:19am

re: #237 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

The distinction should be basing mode. Sea based aviation—Navy. Land based aviation—Army.

The problem is that sea-based aviation requires slow ships to carry the planes, taking days or weeks to get anywhere. They also have load and turnaround limitations in operations, they are unable to carry heavy bombers, large refuelling tankers etc. and are especially vulnerable to attacks by ship-killing missiles and submarines.

Large aircraft require land-based airfields, such as the last outpost of the British empire currently on loan to the USAF, the unsinkable aircraft “carrier” Diego Garcia positioned in the Indian Ocean. You know it’s British, it has a Royal Mail postcode (BBND 1ZZ).

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TK-421 Sep 3, 2016 • 8:53:36am

Extreme vetting!!!
Trump surrogate admits falsifying biographical claims

A top Donald Trump surrogate admitted to falsifying some of his professional accomplishments after a contentious confrontation with CNN anchor Victor Blackwell.

South Carolina preacher Mark Burns, who regularly introduces Trump at his campaign events, had listed on his church’s website that he had a Bachelor of Science degree and served six years in the Army Reserve

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sagehen Sep 3, 2016 • 8:54:21am

re: #216 Ziggy_TARDIS

I have some hesitancy on the first one.

Is it safe for an 76 year old man to crowd surf?

If the crowd is careful.

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Anymouse Sep 3, 2016 • 8:54:54am

re: #250 Great White Snark

Not quite. We don’t have 5th generation fighters for our bombers protection. We have them to own the air everyplace we fight. Except over water which of course would be naval aviation.

The reason the Navy no longer has A-6E Intruder bombers is not because the Navy considered them obsolete: It was because they could carry 48,000 pounds of bombs (nearly the same as an Air Force B-52). The Air Force complained the Navy was fielding “strategic bombers,” which is in the bailiwick of the Air Force (never mind the range distance between B-52’s and A-6E’s).

Instead, the Navy gets the F/A-18 as a replacement, which is inferior to either the A-6E or F-14 fighter jet, to assuage the Air Force’s fee-fees.

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sagehen Sep 3, 2016 • 8:55:10am

re: #222 Ziggy_TARDIS

The other 3 branches despise the Air Force.

You mean the Chair Force?

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jaunte Sep 3, 2016 • 8:55:34am

Trump now teach black folks in their church that Lincoln was a Republican, actually. Says a lot of people don’t realize that.

— Kaili Joy Gray (@KailiJoy) September 3, 2016

Trumpsplaining.

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Great White Snark Sep 3, 2016 • 8:56:46am

re: #257 jaunte

Can’t put text in there it screws the code somehow. Chops it up or deletes a bunch

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Dr Lizardo Sep 3, 2016 • 8:57:13am

re: #202 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Everyone should pass along Betty Cracker’s 10 Questions for Trump:

Trump would shit himself on stage and then promptly keel over from a stroke if someone asked him those question during a debate.

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TK-421 Sep 3, 2016 • 8:57:47am

Samantha Bee for debate moderator!

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Ziggy_TARDIS Sep 3, 2016 • 8:57:50am

re: #249 Anymouse

Also, considering how you are not supposed to proselytize by the Military Code, you could simply start forcing proselytizers to resign.

Honestly, I am worried about the Theocrats in the Air Force attempting a Coup eventually.

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PhillyPretzel Sep 3, 2016 • 8:58:17am

re: #259 Dr Lizardo

He would have their press credentials yanked.

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jaunte Sep 3, 2016 • 8:58:22am

re: #258 Great White Snark

See if a reload fixes it, I tried a different formatting.

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Anymouse Sep 3, 2016 • 8:58:37am

re: #252 Nojay UK

The problem is that sea-based aviation requires slow ships to carry the planes, taking days or weeks to get anywhere. They also have load and turnaround limitations in operations, they are unable to carry heavy bombers, large refuelling tankers etc. and are especially vulnerable to attacks by ship-killing missiles and submarines.

Large aircraft require land-based airfields, such as the last outpost of the British empire currently on loan to the USAF, the unsinkable aircraft “carrier” Diego Garcia positioned in the Indian Ocean. You know it’s British, it has a Royal Mail postcode (BBND 1ZZ).

And yet, when you have a revolution (as in Libya), you lose your Air Force base (as happened there).

A Naval vessel can deploy anywhere, such as the America did when the Lebanon attack took place (took us about ten days). See also Falkland Island War. Naval vessels can deploy pretty much anywhere, and unless you sink them, can apply force within a few days (any emergency that must be solved within an hour is probably hopeless anyway).

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Belafon Sep 3, 2016 • 8:58:43am

re: #252 Nojay UK

I think of it this way: the air force doesn’t really make much sense as a separate entity. It’s either supporting a ground campaign, which puts it in the realm of the army, or a sea campaign, which puts it under the navy, or an amphibious campaign, which puts it under the marines.

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Blind Frog Belly White Sep 3, 2016 • 8:58:58am

re: #257 jaunte

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What’s with the disappearing tweets? I’ve seen that a couple times the last week or so.

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PhillyPretzel Sep 3, 2016 • 8:59:06am

re: #257 jaunte

Refresh works.

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Great White Snark Sep 3, 2016 • 9:00:05am

re: #266 Blind Frog Belly White

If you add any text above the tweet it does that. Sent a tech note to CJ, though I’d guess it’s a twitter problem not and LGF code problem.

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jaunte Sep 3, 2016 • 9:00:14am

re: #266 Blind Frog Belly White

It happens when I try to embed the tweet, instead of posting the link to the tweet. I just need to change my habits.

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Blind Frog Belly White Sep 3, 2016 • 9:00:50am

re: #257 jaunte

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Trumpsplaining.

Wait, what? Seriously? Telling black people they don’t know Lincoln was a Republican? Is he trying to get his support down BELOW zero?

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TK-421 Sep 3, 2016 • 9:01:01am

It feels petty to complain about posting from a phone, but it is less than ideal consarnit!!

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Anymouse Sep 3, 2016 • 9:01:15am

re: #265 Belafon

I think of it this way: the air force doesn’t really make much sense as a separate entity. It’s either supporting a ground campaign, which puts it in the realm of the army, or a sea campaign, which puts it under the navy, or an amphibious campaign, which puts it under the marines.

And I found in my time in the Navy the Marines really hated to be reminded they are part of the Department of the Navy… .

The first job of the Marine Corps is they are the infantry for the naval forces. (Turns out you need that sort of thing, since ancient times.)

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jaunte Sep 3, 2016 • 9:01:46am

re: #270 Blind Frog Belly White

I have to assume that Trump is really not very smart about people.

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PhillyPretzel Sep 3, 2016 • 9:01:52am

re: #270 Blind Frog Belly White

I think so. /

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BigPapa Sep 3, 2016 • 9:02:22am

re: #257 jaunte

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Trumpsplaining.

I predict he’s laying the groundwork for a ‘Dems are the real racist/founded KKK’ narrative.

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Ziggy_TARDIS Sep 3, 2016 • 9:02:52am

re: #265 Belafon

But there are times the Air Force is not supporting any US Ground Forces (See Libya, Syria, and to some extent Bosnia and Kosovo).

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jaunte Sep 3, 2016 • 9:02:55am

Trump at black church meeting says AfAms “suffered from discrimination.” Forgets to mention he was cited for discriminating against AfAms.

— David Corn (@DavidCornDC) September 3, 2016

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Great White Snark Sep 3, 2016 • 9:03:24am

re: #255 Anymouse

The reason the Navy no longer has A-6E Intruder bombers is not because the Navy considered them obsolete: It was because they could carry 48,000 pounds of bombs (nearly the same as an Air Force B-52). The Air Force complained the Navy was fielding “strategic bombers,” which is in the bailiwick of the Air Force (never mind the range distance between B-52’s and A-6E’s).

Instead, the Navy gets the F/A-18 as a replacement, which is inferior to either the A-6E or F-14 fighter jet, to assuage the Air Force’s fee-fees.

I think that was the excuse in a budget money fight, cause the B-52 is listed at 70,000 pounds for capacity. Plus stand off weapons an A-6 could never hold let alone launch, TLAM, MMT Tomahawk etc. Heh remember the Boeing 747 Cruise missile idea? Just fire Tomahawk like an AK does bullets. Well not so fast but capacity wise.

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sagehen Sep 3, 2016 • 9:03:31am

re: #238 Blind Frog Belly White

Remember back in 2008, after the election, when the financial crisis was causing 800,000 people a month to lose their jobs, and Sean Fucking Hannity was saying, “This is Obama’s Recession!” when he wasn’t even in office yet?

theonion.com

Nov 4, 2008

Black Man Given Nation’s Worst Job

WASHINGTON—African-American man Barack Obama, 47, was given the least-desirable job in the entire country Tuesday when he was elected president of the United States of America. In his new high-stress, low-reward position, Obama will be charged with such tasks as completely overhauling the nation’s broken-down economy, repairing the crumbling infrastructure, and generally having to please more than 300 million Americans and cater to their every whim on a daily basis. As part of his duties, the black man will have to spend four to eight years cleaning up the messes other people left behind. The job comes with such intense scrutiny and so certain a guarantee of failure that only one other person even bothered applying for it. Said scholar and activist Mark L. Denton, “It just goes to show you that, in this country, a black man still can’t catch a break.”

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Blind Frog Belly White Sep 3, 2016 • 9:03:54am

re: #271 TK-421

It feels petty to complain about posting from a phone, but it is less than ideal consarnit!!

Could be worse. Could be a rotary dial phone.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light)) Sep 3, 2016 • 9:04:15am

re: #273 jaunte

I have to assume that Trump is really not very smart about people.

He is not about smart people, either.

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Anymouse Sep 3, 2016 • 9:05:16am

re: #276 Ziggy_TARDIS

But there are times the Air Force is not supporting any US Ground Forces (See Libya, Syria, and to some extent Bosnia and Kosovo).

I had the pleasure of cruising up and down the Adriatic Sea for ninety-nine days, whilst our aircraft from a Naval vessel (the America) conducted missions in Bosnia and Kosovo.

(Since the Navy hands out beer to crew members if they are at sea for one hundred days straight, the government ordered us into Trieste, Italy for one whole day so they wouldn’t have to hand out the beer.)

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Great White Snark Sep 3, 2016 • 9:05:44am

Watch for this likely hoax to surface today

BREAKING NEWS !!! CBS News Reporter Tweets Clinton Campaign Staff Resigning; Hillary MAY DROP OUT after FBI Release!

Post by Newsroom

superstation95.com

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BeenHereAwhile Sep 3, 2016 • 9:05:57am

re: #246 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

The Air Force as a separate arm was founded based on the notion that long-range strategic bombing is the only weapon we need to win wars. That concept was never valid.

Gen Curtis Lemay

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jaunte Sep 3, 2016 • 9:06:14am

The pastor just gave Trump a tallis from Israel. Which is just … no. Just no. No no no. pic.twitter.com/fh29tpFyXL

— Kaili Joy Gray (@KailiJoy) September 3, 2016

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PhillyPretzel Sep 3, 2016 • 9:06:44am

re: #285 jaunte

Oy Vey.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light)) Sep 3, 2016 • 9:07:03am

re: #285 jaunte

The pastor just gave Trump a tallis from Israel. Which is just … no. Just no. No no no.

goes so well with the tie

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Blind Frog Belly White Sep 3, 2016 • 9:08:54am

re: #275 BigPapa

I predict he’s laying the groundwork for a ‘Dems are the real racist/founded KKK’ narrative.

Here’s the thing - Republicans see it as “Black People Vote For Democrats”, when the reality is Black People ARE Democrats. The Party itself, not just the voters.

Josh Marshall was talking about this on Twitter last night:

Exactly. Dems are group of white people who blacks have given their votes to. Blacks can’t be real political actors. https://t.co/zbTAAN8tBm

— Josh Marshall (@joshtpm) September 3, 2016

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Stanley Sea Sep 3, 2016 • 9:09:01am

pic.twitter.com/WcjgUVIVHQ

— Alex Burns (@alexburnsNYT) September 3, 2016

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Blind Frog Belly White Sep 3, 2016 • 9:09:58am

re: #287 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

goes so well with the tie

Is it extra long, like the tie? And the jacket?

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jaunte Sep 3, 2016 • 9:10:03am

According to CNN my rabbi wrapped me in a “prayer rug” when I turned 13

— Dave Wasserman (@Redistrict) September 3, 2016

Our reporters are all doing fine, just fine.

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Jenner7 Sep 3, 2016 • 9:10:15am

Oh my, Trump dancing…..is disturbing.

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Anymouse Sep 3, 2016 • 9:11:11am

Well, on what the A-6E could do (part of a whole article):
globalsecurity.org

I was in two Intruder squadrons during my time in the Navy: VA-34 and VA-75.

A tough and versatile aircraft, the A-6 was called upon to fly the most difficult missions. Its forte was to fly low and alone-in any weather. The all-weather attack jet has seen action in every conflict the US has been involved in since Vietnam. With the ability to carry more ordnance, launch a wider variety of space-age smart weapons, conduct day or night strikes over greater distances on internal fuel than any carrier borne aircraft before or since, and provide mid-air refueling support to other carrier jets, the Intruder represents the most versatile military aircraft in modern times.

The A-6E proved that it was the best all-weather precision bomber in the world in the joint strike on Libyan terrorist-related targets in 1986. With Air Force FB-111s, A-6E Intruders penetrated the sophisticated Libyan air defense systems, which had been alerted by the high level of diplomatic tension and by rumors of impending attacks. Evading over 100 guided missiles, the strike force flew at low levels in complete darkness, and accurately delivered laser-guided and other ordnance on target.

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austin_blue Sep 3, 2016 • 9:13:51am

re: #215 gwangung

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Steve Adler! Way to go, Mayor!

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Eric The Fruit Bat Sep 3, 2016 • 9:14:18am

re: #278 Great White Snark

Heh remember the Boeing 747 Cruise missile idea? Just fire Tomahawk like an AK does bullets. Well not so fast but capacity wise.

Back in the early days of computing there used to be a cheeky quote that went-“Never underestimate the bandwidth of a station wagon filled with magnetic tape.”

Now to make such an analogy fit in today’s paradigm, one would have to say “Never underestimate the bandwidth of an Antonov An-225 filled with 256 GB microSD cards.”

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Great White Snark Sep 3, 2016 • 9:14:25am

re: #293 Anymouse

Heck of a plane no doubt about that.

The Blue Angels had a great tight show with that plane. So much closer than the F-4. I suspect the crowds wanted fighter planes though. I doubt we will see F-35 Blue Angels anytime soon.

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Anymouse Sep 3, 2016 • 9:16:14am

re: #295 Eric The Fruit Bat

Back in the early days of computing there used to be a cheeky quote that went-“Never underestimate the bandwidth of a station wagon filled with magnetic tape.”

My wife, a former software engineer for Digital Equipment Corporation, uses that as a tagline on her E-mail.

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Blind Frog Belly White Sep 3, 2016 • 9:16:28am

re: #296 Great White Snark

Heck of a plane no doubt about that.

The Blue Angels had a great tight show with that plane. So much closer than the F-4. I suspect the crowds wanted fighter planes though. I doubt we will see F-35 Blue Angels anytime soon.

I do NOT want to be in the crowd under THAT airshow.

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Kryptik: Just Done With It. Sep 3, 2016 • 9:20:04am

At some point, it just feels like the right-wing insanity has fully taken over the entirety of the internet, and the veil of crazy just becomes more and more impenetrable the more you try and pierce through it.

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De Kolta Chair Sep 3, 2016 • 9:20:25am

Warriors! Come out and Pla-ee-ay! pic.twitter.com/xXgYyIfkCv

— J. Elvis Weinstein (@JElvisWeinstein) September 3, 2016

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge Sep 3, 2016 • 9:20:58am

re: #272 Anymouse

And I found in my time in the Navy the Marines really hated to be reminded they are part of the Department of the Navy… .

The first job of the Marine Corps is they are the infantry for the naval forces. (Turns out you need that sort of thing, since ancient times.)

The United States Navy Army. In China they’ve got the opposite—the People’s Liberation Army Navy.

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Anymouse Sep 3, 2016 • 9:21:24am

Overheard on the Disabled American Veterans hashtag at Twitter. I think this fellow has the candidates confused. I am pretty sure that is Mr. Trump that is lying, not Mrs. Clinton.

I belong to those groups too.

I would be interested in hearing the poster’s interpretation of what those “lies” are from Mrs. Clinton.

As an #AmericanLegion, #VFW, #DAV LIfe Member, I am disgusted listening to #HillaryClinton lie to us #Veterans.#CantBeTrusted & #Corrupt

— Damnstraight2 (@Pch8r2) August 31, 2016

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Blind Frog Belly White Sep 3, 2016 • 9:22:55am

Mrs. FBW went out to a meeting this morning. Now I have to listen to the pitiful whining of Zeena, The Worrier Princess, who worships the ground Mrs. FBW walks on.

I tell you I get no respect. No respect at all!

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Jenner7 Sep 3, 2016 • 9:23:15am

14 excerpts from the FBI’s report on Hillary Clinton’s email https://t.co/qeP2FrhQxj via @MotherJones

— JensWithHer (@JetScoozr77) September 3, 2016

Please share this article.

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Jenner7 Sep 3, 2016 • 9:25:47am

see, they know that all help ain’t good help. pic.twitter.com/hbEl1banBk

— deray mckesson (@deray) September 3, 2016

Oh dear….

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Nojay UK Sep 3, 2016 • 9:28:20am

re: #293 Anymouse

Well, on what the A-6E could do (part of a whole article):
globalsecurity.org

I was in two Intruder squadrons during my time in the Navy: VA-34 and VA-75.

The designers and builders (and the pilots) of the Blackburn Buccaneer would dispute that line about “The A-6E proved that it was the best all-weather precision bomber in the world”.

RAF Buccaneer S2 Exercise RED FLAG

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Anymouse Sep 3, 2016 • 9:29:07am

re: #305 Jenner7

The woman in the picture was probably right to stay at arm’s length.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge Sep 3, 2016 • 9:30:32am

re: #296 Great White Snark

Heck of a plane no doubt about that.

The Blue Angels had a great tight show with that plane. So much closer than the F-4. I suspect the crowds wanted fighter planes though. I doubt we will see F-35 Blue Angels anytime soon.

I think it was the Douglas A-4 Skyhawk you’re thinking about. I remember their extraordinarily long landing gear, because they were designed to carry a Fat Man-type A-bomb underneath.

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TK-421 Sep 3, 2016 • 9:43:11am

re: #280 Blind Frog Belly White

Could be worse. Could be a rotary dial phone.

Ha! Back in the day when it was almost impossible to drunk dial anyone.

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TK-421 Sep 3, 2016 • 9:44:34am

re: #300 De Kolta Chair

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Don’t go to sleep, Elizabeth!!

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Barefoot Grin Sep 3, 2016 • 9:46:27am

re: #280 Blind Frog Belly White

Could be worse. Could be a rotary dial phone.

“one ringy dingy, two ringy dingy….”

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De Kolta Chair Sep 3, 2016 • 9:48:43am

re: #306 Nojay UK

The designers and builders (and the pilots) of the Blackburn Buccaneer would dispute that line about “The A-6E proved that it was the best all-weather precision bomber in the world”.

Clips from Roger Corman’s The Day We Bombed Arizona? //

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FormerDirtDart Sep 3, 2016 • 9:52:35am

when there’s a taco truck on ur corner pic.twitter.com/sXRseyDsaq

— Laura J. Nelson (@laura_nelson) September 3, 2016

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge Sep 3, 2016 • 9:59:13am

Jeez—I go wash some dishes, and the thread jumps forward 100 comments and then dies.

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Jenner7 Sep 3, 2016 • 10:05:51am

Much rumored Trump/Carson walking tour thru Detroit was just a photo opp outside Carson’s old home. Current resident is a Hillary supporter.

— Sam Sanders (@samsanders) September 3, 2016

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge Sep 3, 2016 • 10:11:24am

re: #315 Jenner7

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This is the most inept campaign for any elected office in the history of democracy. If he wins I fucking give up.

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A wild WITHAK appeared! Sep 3, 2016 • 10:13:12am

re: #316 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

This is the most inept campaign for any elected office in the history of democracy. If he wins I fucking give up.

Time for Hillary to come out swinging after Labor Day. The polls are making me nervous again.

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ObserverArt Sep 3, 2016 • 10:17:48am

re: #257 jaunte

Kaili Joy Gray @KailiJoy
Trump now teach black folks in their church that Lincoln was a Republican, actually. Says a lot of people don’t realize that.
11:54 AM - 3 Sep 2016
11 11 Retweets 16 16 likes

Trumpsplaining.

I don’t know…but it seems to me this is Trump thinking those schools in Detroit are not good enough to teach African American students a very fundamental fact about a president who was very important to the whole history of African Americans in America.

Yeah, I’m going to say it. He is talking down to them. In my opinion.

I’m behind on the thread. Will I see Trump also told them Martin Luther King was a very important person too?

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Jenner7 Sep 3, 2016 • 10:20:29am

Totally inaccurate. I was the pool producer. We were forced to pack up our cameras and leave during this. https://t.co/IGG5CcYJT7

— Sopan Deb (@SopanDeb) September 3, 2016

How convenient that at one of the most compelling moments of @realDonaldTrump appearance in Detroit, the @CNN satellite feed dropped.

— Laura Ingraham (@IngrahamAngle) September 3, 2016

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sagehen Sep 3, 2016 • 10:23:44am

re: #315 Jenner7

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I’m sure I’ve mentioned this before, but…

If Donald Trump honestly wanted to meet and speak to black voters, Harlem is close enough to see it out his window. He wouldn’t even need binoculars, it’s right the other end of the park. Abyssinian Baptist Church has a long long history of hosting candidates, there’s probably people on his Secret Service detail who are already familiar with the premises from having secured it several times already, and he has to drive right past it on the way to and from the airport every time he goes anywhere. Plus he’s lived in NYC his entire life; how the hell is it he’s never eaten at Sylvia’s? Even Bill O’Reilly has been to Sylvia’s.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge Sep 3, 2016 • 10:29:04am

re: #317 A wild WITHAK appeared!

Time for Hillary to come out swinging after Labor Day. The polls are making me nervous again.

Do what I did. Stop paying attention to 538. Sam Wang was more accurate in 2012, and I’m sure he’s more accurate now.

Nate includes Rasmussen, Gallup, Zogby, etc. and freakin’ online polls in his aggregation.

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PhillyPretzel Sep 3, 2016 • 10:30:21am

re: #321 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

New York Times has Hillary winning with 88% of the vote.

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A wild WITHAK appeared! Sep 3, 2016 • 10:31:16am

re: #321 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Do what I did. Stop paying attention to 538. Sam Wang was more accurate in 2012, and I’m sure he’s more accurate now.

Nate includes Rasmussen, Gallup, Zogby, etc. and freakin’ online polls in his aggregation.

I’m not going to stop paying attention to 538, because I like the depth of data they provide, but I have started including PEC in my daily rotation.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge Sep 3, 2016 • 10:32:35am

re: #322 PhillyPretzel

New York Times has Hillary winning with 88% of the vote.

In New York—right?

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Ziggy_TARDIS Sep 3, 2016 • 10:32:39am

re: #321 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Yeah, I noticed that too.

The online polling he is using is, at least in one case, the ones that gave two completely inaccurate results in the last few British Elections (YouGov).

Then, you have those others.

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A wild WITHAK appeared! Sep 3, 2016 • 10:33:23am

re: #322 PhillyPretzel

New York Times has Hillary winning with 88% of the vote.

With an opponent like Trump, she should get at least 88% of the vote, but sadly, that’s just the NYT’s chance of winning for her.

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Ziggy_TARDIS Sep 3, 2016 • 10:33:37am

re: #322 PhillyPretzel

I think you meant 88% chance of winning.

Her winning with 88% of the vote would be impossible not only anywhere in the US, but anywhere in the world.

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PhillyPretzel Sep 3, 2016 • 10:33:53am

re: #324 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

i think so. It is a small graphic of the pictures of both candidates and percentages.

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De Kolta Chair Sep 3, 2016 • 10:38:30am

FYI

Communist CNN goes after Conservative Black Americans and will character assassinate them, while ignoring Democrats…#TrumpinDetroit

— nn (@forexwatcher) September 3, 2016

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Backwoods_Sleuth Sep 3, 2016 • 10:39:48am

re: #285 jaunte

re: #289 Stanley Sea

Who is donald supposed to be in these pictures?
James Brown?

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PhillyPretzel Sep 3, 2016 • 10:41:04am

The information and the graphic I mentioned above is on the mobile version of the New York Times. It does not seem to be on the version that I can see on my notebook. Please do keep in mind the following: There are a lot of polls out there who say this one will win or that one will win. In my 22 years of watching the polls I can only say one thing is certain: No one group or person can guarantee how any one person will vote. Once you are behind that curtain in a general election you can vote for anyone who you choose.

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PhillyPretzel Sep 3, 2016 • 10:45:51am

I have to catch the bus back to Philly.

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De Kolta Chair Sep 3, 2016 • 10:51:01am

re: #332 PhillyPretzel

I have to catch the bus back to Philly.

Mega, Bolt, Greyhound or [fill in the blank]?

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Blind Frog Belly White Sep 3, 2016 • 10:52:52am

re: #321 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Do what I did. Stop paying attention to 538. Sam Wang was more accurate in 2012, and I’m sure he’s more accurate now.

Nate includes Rasmussen, Gallup, Zogby, etc. and freakin’ online polls in his aggregation.

Yeah, but he also weights them according to quality, past performance and house effect.

There are arguments to be made in favor of each approach, and both Wang and Silver got it right in 2012. One thing to be cautious of is ignoring things you don’t want to see in favor of those you do. That way madness lies, in the form of Unskewed Polls.

It’s clear that there’s been some tightening of the race in the last two weeks, but what’s also clear is that it’s Clinton coming down, not Trump coming up. He’s still mired below 42. That seems to be somewhat of a hard ceiling for him.

Meanwhile, Clinton’s been weathering a series of truly execrable articles from major news sources that plowed through all the Clinton Foundation/State Department emails and literally found nothing untoward, but were unwilling to say it, so they went with ‘raises new questions’ and ‘casts shadows’ and ‘clouds’, because they didn’t want to admit they wasted their time.

I mean, for shit’s sake, the story about Doug Band asking Huma Abeddin about diplomatic passports for the aides travelling with Bill Clinton to NORTH FUCKING KOREA to retrieve the two jailed American journalists, and being told ‘No, sorry, we don’t do that’. and the NYT says it ‘raises new questions’?

Yeah. The ‘new questions’ it raises include, “Whatever happened to JOURNALISM at the New York Times?”

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De Kolta Chair Sep 3, 2016 • 10:53:18am

LOL ‘Twas blind but now I derp

Don’t think @realDonaldTrump is going to win any votes with these dance moves. #TrumpInDetroit pic.twitter.com/2SEOeIquXi

— Matt Wilstein (@TheMattWilstein) September 3, 2016

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Backwoods_Sleuth Sep 3, 2016 • 10:54:23am

re: #335 De Kolta Chair

LOL

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And Ben Carson is staring sleepily at his phone…

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Semper Fi Sep 3, 2016 • 10:55:46am

re: #305 Jenner7

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Oh dear….

Look at his eyes. He’s getting an off-stage prompt to: Console

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge Sep 3, 2016 • 10:57:17am

re: #335 De Kolta Chair

‘Twas blind but now I derp

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Cripes! When are his chin and “hair”line going to meet? I give it two more months, tops.

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PhillyPretzel Sep 3, 2016 • 10:58:09am

re: #333 De Kolta Chair

SEPTA

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wrenchwench Sep 3, 2016 • 10:58:48am

You know what to do. #ElGato4PM #JezWeCanAgain pic.twitter.com/gvDYoTvbKI

— Jacob (@JacobMCampbell) August 25, 2016

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De Kolta Chair Sep 3, 2016 • 11:01:18am

Woke up to an earthquake then I see this. Maybe the Earthquake was the beginnings of the Apocalypse #TrumpInDetroit pic.twitter.com/sL3I7NqeSo

— Dusty (@DustinGiebel) September 3, 2016

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge Sep 3, 2016 • 11:03:02am

re: #339 PhillyPretzel

SEPTA

That’s an unfortunate acronym. I like the Tri-Cities here in WA, they straddle the Columbia River, so Richland and Kennewick are in Benton County and Pasco is in Franklin County. They have the “Ben Franklin Transit Authority” with his picture on all the busses.

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sagehen Sep 3, 2016 • 11:06:10am

re: #334 Blind Frog Belly White

It’s clear that there’s been some tightening of the race in the last two weeks, but what’s also clear is that it’s Clinton coming down, not Trump coming up. He’s still mired below 42. That seems to be somewhat of a hard ceiling for him.

Gary Johnson is moving up; 12% nationally now, over 15% in some ofthe mountain states. And apparently more than 60% on the question of “should he be in the debates”?

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wrenchwench Sep 3, 2016 • 11:06:44am

re: #342 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

That’s an unfortunate acronym. I like the Tri-Cities here in WA, they straddle the Snake River, so Richland and Kennewick are in Benton County and Pasco is in Franklin County. They have the “Ben Franklin Transit Authority” with his picture on all the busses.

In Northern Cal they have the Bay Area Rapid Transit, BART.

I hear Fresno is planning something similar.

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A Cranky One Sep 3, 2016 • 11:10:55am

So Mrs Cranky just returned from the store. Found the following note on her car windshield:

Hi Friend,

I just wanted to let you know that some knucklehead vandalized your car by slapping an ~~Obama~~ Hillary sticker on it. The last thing you want is to be driving around all day looking like an idiot.

Take Care,
A Good Samaritan

You probably had an Obama sticker before.

The note was printed, but Obama was crossed out and Hillary written in. The last line was also hand written.

Guess the “Good Samaritan” couldn’t figure out how to update the text before printing it. Sounds like an expert on looking like an idiot.

Edit: original posted too quickly, text added

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Ziggy_TARDIS Sep 3, 2016 • 11:11:23am

re: #334 Blind Frog Belly White

More broadly, what happened to Journalism in the US?

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jaunte Sep 3, 2016 • 11:11:34am

One way to convince Black folks NOT to vote for you? Use slave imagery in your “outreach” campaign. #TrumpInDetroit https://t.co/DWdezYn7fI

— D (@Delo_Taylor) September 3, 2016

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge Sep 3, 2016 • 11:13:56am

re: #342 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Changed it. I don’t know why I said “Snake River”. Snakes on the brain?

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wrenchwench Sep 3, 2016 • 11:16:36am

re: #348 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Changed it. I don’t know why I said “Snake River”. Snakes on the brain?

Next river east. Easy swap, mentally.

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Eclectic Cyborg Sep 3, 2016 • 11:20:31am

re: #327 Ziggy_TARDIS

I think you meant 88% chance of winning.

Her winning with 88% of the vote would be impossible not only anywhere in the US, but anywhere in the world.

Except maybe North Korea…

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge Sep 3, 2016 • 11:20:35am

re: #349 wrenchwench

Next river east. Easy swap, mentally.

Also, I’ve been over the bridge a few times, and the river just doesn’t look wide enough to be the Columbia, after crossing it between Vancouver and Portland.

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Bill and Opus for 2016! Sep 3, 2016 • 11:20:42am

re: #87 Grunthos the Flatulent

Spotted this on the shelves in my local supermarket here down under. Without comment:

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The only thing that would have made that better is if it were a non-alcoholic beer, since we already know that Trump has no substance at all.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge Sep 3, 2016 • 11:21:27am

re: #350 Eclectic Cyborg

Except maybe North Korea…

There’d be a 12% population reduction immediately thereafter.

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Eclectic Cyborg Sep 3, 2016 • 11:25:06am

Every photo op in which Trump is supposed to appear caring or emotional or sympathetic just comes off as forced or insincere.

Maybe its just not possible to humanize him.

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Stanley Sea Sep 3, 2016 • 11:29:11am

re: #336 Backwoods_Sleuth

And Ben Carson is staring sleepily at his phone…

Katrina is also there.

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FormerDirtDart Sep 3, 2016 • 11:29:44am

NPR blogs on the #TacoTrucksOnEveryCorner https://t.co/8yBpLF2VDY

— Rick Pluta (@rickpluta) September 3, 2016

Donald Trump’s visit to an African American church in Detroit brought both cheers and protests Saturday — but one of the star attractions was a taco truck. One of the humble vehicles, which now straddle the worlds of political symbol and internet meme, was parked outside.

The Tacos El Caballo truck set up near Great Faith Ministries International to provide a counterpoint to critics of U.S. immigration policy, its owners told Michigan Public Radio’s Rick Pluta.

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Blind Frog Belly White Sep 3, 2016 • 11:50:25am

re: #346 Ziggy_TARDIS

More broadly, what happened to Journalism in the US?

1) Television.

2)Cable News

3)Fox News

4) The Internet.

John Oliver (I think) did a piece on this last month. The basic foundation of all new organizations used to be the local newspapers and their reporting on local issues, including local government. Everybody used their stuff, including distant newspapers when there was a story big enough, TV news both local and national, and then the internet. As local papers die off, so does the reporting that is the backbone of all political reporting.

But beyond that, it’s what Al Franken said in “Lies and the Lying Liars Who Tell Them” - it’s not that journalists are biased. It’s that they’re lazy. It’s a lot easier to follow a narrative, as Eric Lichtblau does in his poor reporting on the Clinton Foundation, rather than to look at a story with no bias. The Narrative is that there’s always something shady about the Clintons, so instead of writing that Clinton’s State Department DIDN’T do favors for the Clinton Foundation, he says the fact that there was even contact ”raises new questions”.

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De Kolta Chair Sep 3, 2016 • 12:28:30pm

re: #346 Ziggy_TARDIS

More broadly, what happened to Journalism in the US?

They started hiring broads.

I’ll see myself out, and jump off this handy cliff.

Spy Auto

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