Saturday Night Shred: Steve Vai, “Gravity Storm”

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“Gravity Storm” performed live during Steve Vai’s two year worldwide Story of Light Tour.
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1
Great White Snark  Sep 3, 2016 • 9:37:17pm

Works great Charles. This is gonna be fun

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teleskiguy  Sep 3, 2016 • 9:55:44pm

re: #1 Great White Snark

My first one:

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I’ve made maybe a dozen by now? Nary a glitch, user-friendly. Good stuff.

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VegasGolfer  Sep 3, 2016 • 11:59:32pm

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 4, 2016 • 12:32:46am

re: #3 VegasGolfer

ask any two Corinthians

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Single-handed sailor  Sep 4, 2016 • 12:59:11am

It’s time to go back to the islands. Hurricane season means low rates on a bareboat charter.

Leon Russell Back to The Island with Lyrics

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Ia! Ia! Trump Ftaghn! (née Sophist)  Sep 4, 2016 • 1:03:56am

Happy holiday weekend, y’all.

Also, a tableau at the local “legal weed” shop that I found amusing:

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 4, 2016 • 1:05:50am

re: #6 Ia! Ia! Trump Ftaghn! (née Sophist)

Also, a tableaux at the local “legal weed” shop that I found amusing:

well, that is technically a half-a-taco truck…

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Alyosha  Sep 4, 2016 • 1:10:56am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 4, 2016 • 1:12:37am

re: #8 Alyosha

News developments about who will pay for the wall feel a little like when everybody treats the Muppet characters like they’re real

we have come to accept political absurdity and then just blend it our of our minds when the discussion moves on to other topics like celebrity gossip…

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Sep 4, 2016 • 1:14:22am

re: #9 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

we have come to accept political absurdity and then just blend it our of our minds when the discussion moves on to other topics like celebrity gossip…

The Wall is the MacGuffin of the Trump campaign story.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 4, 2016 • 1:15:38am

re: #10 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

The Wall is the MacGuffin of the Trump campaign story.

And the iconic image that will stick with him, although the Taco Truck is also looming large in public memery.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Sep 4, 2016 • 1:21:32am

re: #11 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

And the iconic image that will stick with him, although the Taco Truck is also looming large in public memery.

Thee taco truck and the taco bowl are secondary MacGuffins, not entirely of his own device.

FDR had the New Deal. JFK, the Peace Corps and the race to the Moon, LBJ, the Great Society, Bush I, the Thousand Points of Light, Bush II, “mission accomplished.”

Trump has the f*cking wall.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 4, 2016 • 1:25:31am

re: #12 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Thee taco truck and the taco bowl are secondary MacGuffins, not entirely of his own device.

FDR had the New Deal. JFK, the Peace Corps and the race to the Moon, LBJ, the Great Society, Bush I, the Thousand Points of Light, Bush II, “mission accomplished.”

Trump has the f*cking wall.

And Clinton had a cigar and Monica Lewinsky…

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Sep 4, 2016 • 1:33:00am

Well, according to the South China Morning Post, US officials traveling with Obama declined the taller rolling staircase for AF One, because the driver did not understand English. So, there was no snub at the Hangzhou airport. Obama was going to use the lower staircase all along.

scmp.com

I’m not sure I buy this explanation, since the SCMP tends to favor the mainland government a bit too much, but at least it’s plausible. We’ll see if US media corroborate the reports.

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Alyosha  Sep 4, 2016 • 2:07:43am

The whole wall idea is obviously absurd. Part of the way in which it is being treated as serious has alot to do with what American manpower and investment can accomplish. During the Bush years there was a concerted effort to make it seem as if a barrier were being built on the border, even if cost blowouts and a general lack of funding made it the vote-winning figleaf it always was.
But Trump is making it the centrepiece of his domestic policy, entangling it with foreign interests given his stance on who would pay for it. We all know he cannot win, but since he is the Republican nominee, we have to assume he wants that wall built.
So while the wall is a classic Money Pit scenario, we are talking about a man who has stated he wants to deport millions. Whether it is workable isn’t the question.
Whether we let him is .

That it is, in an ideal world, utterly nutty, celebrity break-down news, does not remove the fact that his policies, however unfocused and changing, are nonetheless abhorrent and should be treated as a serious threat.
The Muppets analogy is a good one; but it’s as if the wall is some abstract idea. You can treat it as real without having to survey the promise of deportation. The Wall is the psychological lynchpin. We don’t have to look closely at the ethnic cleansing and religious persecution that has been promised by Trump himself because the Wall seems like the acid test as to whether or not he is serious.
The disarmed reasoning seems to run, ‘If he can’t build the Wall, the cattle cars won’t run.’ It’s already a really scary concession to make to a dangerous lunatic.
(Edited)

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 4, 2016 • 2:11:56am

I can accept the notion of restricting physical access to the US if it is part of a comprehensive package of immigration reform that also includes amnesty for law-abiding resident aliens, documentation, tracking and stiffer penalties for employing illegal immigrants.

But there are too many vested interests in maintaining a flow of cheap and easily exploitable labor (while at the same time guaranteeing a source of righteous indignation) to allow comprehensive reform.

We will instead wind up with nothing but a patchwork of limited local solutions that do nothing but kick the can down the road or even make things worse.

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Timothy Watson  Sep 4, 2016 • 2:13:08am

re: #14 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Interesting.

I do find this paragraph funny due to my pedantic nature:

It would do China no good in treating Obama rudely, added the official, who declined to be named as she was not authorised to speak to the press.

When citing an anonymous source, you usually try to not give out the gender of the person.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 4, 2016 • 2:15:19am

re: #17 Timothy Watson

Interesting.

I do find this paragraph funny due to my pedantic nature:

When citing an anonymous source, you usually try to not give out the gender of the person.

What hangs on the wall, goes “Tick-tock” and when it falls down the clock is broken?

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Alyosha  Sep 4, 2016 • 2:24:38am

Ghost of a Flea does the psychological breakdown better than me.

If the analogy is that we are all undertaking a collective illusion that the puppet is a real person, then the collective illusion with regards to the Wall seems to be that there is in fact a way to make it a reality, but that the Trump way is a bit silly, as opposed to entirely retarded.
This observation is based on the fixation of the media on the abstract idea of a Wall, and not on the religious persecution/ethnic cleansing aspect.
It is a concession that ignores that when dictators go too far, they then find a way to go further.

Okay, I’ll shut the hell up :)

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Alyosha  Sep 4, 2016 • 2:34:32am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 4, 2016 • 2:52:41am

re: #19 Alyosha

Ghost of a Flea does the psychological breakdown better than me.

If the analogy is that we are all undertaking a collective illusion that the puppet is a real person, then the collective illusion with regards to the Wall seems to be that there is in fact a way to make it a reality, but that the Trump way is a bit silly, as opposed to entirely retarded.
This observation is based on the fixation of the media on the abstract idea of a Wall, and not on the religious persecution/ethnic cleansing aspect.
It is a concession that ignores that when dictators go too far, they then find a way to go further.

Okay, I’ll shut the hell up :)

The Wall is America’s Brexit: people support it because they fail to understand what it really means.

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Alyosha  Sep 4, 2016 • 3:06:41am

re: #21 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

The Wall is America’s Brexit: people support it because they fail to understand what it really means.

They understand the symbolism, alright. Many of them don’t care what it means.
So, yeah, a bit like Brexit.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 4, 2016 • 3:11:17am

re: #22 Alyosha

They understand the symbolism, alright. Many of them don’t care what it means.
So, yeah, a bit like Brexit.

There was a time when the desert and harsh country served as wall enough.

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Alyosha  Sep 4, 2016 • 3:17:56am

re: #23 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

There was a time when the desert and harsh country served as wall enough.

And then the US expanded west lol

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 4, 2016 • 3:20:03am

re: #24 Alyosha

And then the US expanded west lol

It was a barrier even after we expanded west, but the drug trade expanded, as did our agricultural economy. The desert was no longer enough of a barrier for desperate people wanting to escape poverty and drug cartel terror.

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goddamnedfrank  Sep 4, 2016 • 3:23:16am
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Dave In Austin  Sep 4, 2016 • 3:54:02am
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Ming5000  Sep 4, 2016 • 3:58:37am

re: #26 goddamnedfrank

Meanwhile the Trump Foundation has been found guilty of making a political contribution, lied about it, had to pay a fine of $2,500, AND Trump himself had to pay the Trump Foundation the improper $25,000 bribe contribution.

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Eventual Carrion  Sep 4, 2016 • 4:17:01am

That strap-on harp in the video looked pretty cool.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 4, 2016 • 4:29:48am

re: #28 Ming5000

Meanwhile the Trump Foundation has been found guilty of making a political contribution, lied about it, had to pay a fine of $2,500, AND Trump himself had to pay the Trump Foundation the improper $25,000 bribe contribution.

Does not matter. It is now a matter of RWNJ faith that the Clinton Foundation is just a slush fund used by Bill and Hillary to promote their own political ambitions.

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Targetpractice  Sep 4, 2016 • 4:35:25am

re: #31 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Does not matter. It is now a matter of RWNJ faith that the Clinton Foundation is just a slush fund used by Bill and Hillary to promote their own political ambitions.

At least until you actually point out the benevolent works that the Foundation does, at which time they roll their eyes and insist that that work could be done by other charities.

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dangerman  Sep 4, 2016 • 4:43:08am

re: #32 Targetpractice

At least until you actually point out the benevolent works that the Foundation does, at which time they roll their eyes and insist that that work could be done by other charities.

sure - first it’s “that isnt governments job - let charities and the private sector do it”

so one does and then its

“a clinton foundation - gotta shut that thing down. let some other charity or private sector business fill that vacuum”

dig it up with a backhoe, drag it far far away, replant and cement in that goal post - and stay ready to move it again if as necessary

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Targetpractice  Sep 4, 2016 • 4:46:10am

re: #33 dangerman

sure - first it’s “that isnt governments job - let charities and the private sector do it”

so one does and then its

“a clinton foundation - gotta shut that thing down. let some other charity or private sector business fill that vacuum”

dig it up with a backhoe, drag it far far away, replant and cement in that goal post - and stay ready to move it again if as necessary

You can be sure that if Hillary came out tomorrow and announced the Foundation would be shut down by week’s end, they’d insist that means she’s covering her tracks in fear of a federal investigation.

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Decatur Deb  Sep 4, 2016 • 4:54:09am

re: #25 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

It was a barrier even after we expanded west, but the drug trade expanded, as did our agricultural economy. The desert was no longer enough of a barrier for desperate people wanting to escape poverty and drug cartel terror.

The deserts, the Atlantic and the Pacific weren’t so much barriers as filters. Until the age of cheap flight, they assured that we tended to construct ourselves from the bravest, craziest, strongest, most desperate and determined. Add a leavening of criminals. That takes a lot of the mystery out of our armed-outlaw romanticism.

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dangerman  Sep 4, 2016 • 4:59:39am

re: #34 Targetpractice

You can be sure that if Hillary came out tomorrow and announced the Foundation would be shut down by week’s end, they’d insist that means she’s covering her tracks in fear of a federal investigation.

yup - a beautifully cynical strategy, and sadly it works.

she can do nothing that cant be twisted. and if she “literally”did nothing, then she’d be criticized for that

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dangerman  Sep 4, 2016 • 5:09:59am

clinton foundation vs trump foundation

we have a real live specimen example of direct political and prosecutorial corruption, misuse of a 501c3 nonprofit and various efforts to conceal this corruption and the underlying corruption of Trump’s ‘Trump University’ real estate seminar scam. It’s all there - lightly reported here and there - but largely ignored.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 4, 2016 • 5:20:49am

re: #35 Decatur Deb

The deserts, the Atlantic and the Pacific weren’t so much barriers as filters. Until the age of cheap flight, they assured that we tended to construct ourselves from the bravest, craziest, strongest, most desperate and determined. Add a leavening of criminals. That takes a lot of the mystery out of our armed-outlaw romanticism.

Yes, we always had illegal immigration, but not mass illegal immigration.

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dangerman  Sep 4, 2016 • 5:26:19am

re: #38 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Yes, we always had illegal immigration, but not mass illegal immigration.

dont so much have a problem with (mass) illegal immigration as with what to do with the existing - more or less stable population of undocumented persons.

the population has not been not increasing - at least for the last five years or so

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Decatur Deb  Sep 4, 2016 • 5:29:07am

re: #38 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Yes, we always had illegal immigration, but not mass illegal immigration.

We didn’t have illegal immigration until we made some modes of immigration illegal. My people wouldn’t get here today if they were fleeing a new Black 47.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 4, 2016 • 5:34:30am

re: #39 dangerman

dont so much have a problem with (mass) illegal immigration as with what to do with the existing - more or less stable population of undocumented persons.

the population has not been not increasing - at least for the last five years or so

I bring this point up again and again - rhetorically, of course - that if we had a universal national ID card for citizens and resident legal aliens, then we would not have as many issues. Nor would “voter ID fraud” be an issue anywhere.

But this simple and relatively inexpensive (compared to building and maintaining a physical barrier) solution is not about to find any takes on the right or on the left.

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Decatur Deb  Sep 4, 2016 • 5:40:36am

re: #41 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I bring this point up again and again - rhetorically, of course - that if we had a universal national ID card for citizens and resident legal aliens, then we would not have as many issues. Nor would “voter ID fraud” be an issue anywhere.

But this simple and relatively inexpensive (compared to building and maintaining a physical barrier) solution is not about to find any takes on the right or on the left.

See “armed-outlaw romanticism”, above.

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jeffreyw  Sep 4, 2016 • 5:42:44am

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Good morning!

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Decatur Deb  Sep 4, 2016 • 5:43:32am

re: #43 jeffreyw

Think we’re detecting a theme.

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dangerman  Sep 4, 2016 • 5:44:24am

re: #41 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I bring this point up again and again - rhetorically, of course - that if we had a universal national ID card for citizens and resident legal aliens, then we would not have as many issues. Nor would “voter ID fraud” be an issue anywhere.

But this simple and relatively inexpensive (compared to building and maintaining a physical barrier) solution is not about to find any takes on the right or on the left.

as we discussed the other day, it is fraught with issues. here are two:

when how and to whom would you have to produce it that would be constitutionally permissible

depending on how and over what time period such a thing were phased in, how would those who currently cannot produce records to obtain state ids be issued a federal one?

not saying these problems couldnt be solved. though in the current climate where the various sides cant even agree on the color of the sky…

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dangerman  Sep 4, 2016 • 5:45:28am

re: #43 jeffreyw

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Good morning!

cant quite make out what’s under the eggs
gotta know…

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 4, 2016 • 5:46:10am

re: #42 Decatur Deb

See “armed-outlaw romanticism”, above.

It is terribly easy to get established here once you get in. If you had to present an ID to sign a lease, an employment contract, open a bank account, get a driver’s licence, register a child for schools or apply for social benefits, things would become a lot more difficult for undocumented aliens.

There would still be desperate people living underground, but not the millions that we have today.

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dangerman  Sep 4, 2016 • 5:46:39am

re: #44 Decatur Deb

Think we’re detecting a theme.

he is the egg man?

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Decatur Deb  Sep 4, 2016 • 5:49:01am

re: #47 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

..snip

There would still be desperate people living underground, but not the millions that we have today.

Feature/Bug.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Sep 4, 2016 • 5:49:50am

re: #48 dangerman

he is the egg man?

Koo-koo-ka-choo.

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Decatur Deb  Sep 4, 2016 • 5:50:14am

re: #48 dangerman

he is the egg man?

He totally misunderstands the concept “#hashtag”.

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dangerman  Sep 4, 2016 • 5:50:34am

re: #51 Decatur Deb

he totally misunderstands the concept “#hashtag”.

+1

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 4, 2016 • 5:51:23am

re: #49 Decatur Deb

Feature/Bug.

Too many vested interests in having a pool of cheap, easily exploited workers. And to have a handy political scapegoat and source of frothing outrage.

but yeah, it ain’t gonna happen

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Sep 4, 2016 • 6:00:01am

re: #47 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

It is terribly easy to get established here once you get in. If you had to present an ID to sign a lease, an employment contract, open a bank account, get a driver’s licence, register a child for schools or apply for social benefits, things would become a lot more difficult for undocumented aliens.

There would still be desperate people living underground, but not the millions that we have today.

It’s already difficult for undocumented people here. Kids can enter school, even college, but without ID they couldn’t get financial aid, or get a passport for semester abroad programs. Getting a bank account is also pretty dicey, because of the Know Your Customer portions of the PATRIOT ACT. Some people get around all that by using fake IDs, Mexican driver’s licenses, even falsified SSNs.

I would have serious reservations about requiring ID for every single thing, like signing a lease or even a contract. There is presumption that the person willing to sign his or her name to a document is in fact that person, since the steps required to do either generally require some minimal identity verification already.

On the other hand, if there could be legal guarantees of privacy and security, requiring ID for these activities would be a lot more efficient than the haphazard system we have now. In Sweden for example (maybe Teukka can confirm), you have to present your national ID card to do most anything related to housing, banking, education, health care, etc. The national ID is integral to the taxation and social services systems.

In any event, I don’t think instituting a national ID system in the USA will stop the flow of undocumented immigrants. The truly desperate will still come, and there will be a black market in fake IDs.

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dangerman  Sep 4, 2016 • 6:00:09am

re: #47 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

It is terribly easy to get established here once you get in. If you had to present an ID to sign a lease, an employment contract, open a bank account, get a driver’s licence, register a child for schools or apply for social benefits, things would become a lot more difficult for undocumented aliens.

There would still be desperate people living underground, but not the millions that we have today.

i dont think we have the social stomach for a lot of that. it would have to be federal and universal

I-9’s already exist. there is no auditing or enforcement (and it’s likely the single easiest way to stem any notion of mass immigration)

leases are contracts between private parties. adding an i-9 like requirement to that, with auditing and enforcement - yeah - id like to see bipartisan agreement on that

banks and driver licenses do have id requirements - easier to implement partially because they are state/fed controlled. (though the dox are easy to buy…)

most federal social benefits arent available to the undocumented - food stamps, welfare, medicaid. i think WIC is available

i cant speak to schools - no experience

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jeffreyw  Sep 4, 2016 • 6:01:38am

re: #46 dangerman

cant quite make out what’s under the eggs
gotta know…

Sausage - it was broken up and fried with the eggs added atop towards the end and fished at a low flame with a cover on the pan.

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dangerman  Sep 4, 2016 • 6:02:59am

another point with regard to leases etc -

you dont have to be a citizen to be a party to a contract.

or to own real estate, or necessarily, to finance real estate

its one thing to prove identity. another to prove citizenship or the equivalent

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Sep 4, 2016 • 6:03:53am

re: #55 dangerman

i dont think we have the social stomach for a lot of that. it would have to be federal and universal

I-9’s already exist. there is no auditing or enforcement (and it’s likely the single easiest way to stem any notion of mass immigration)

leases are contracts between private parties. adding an i-9 like requirement to that, with auditing and enforcement - yeah - id like to see bipartisan agreement on that

banks and driver licenses do have id requirements - easier to implement partially because they are state/fed controlled. (though the dox are easy to buy…)

most federal social benefits arent available to the undocumented - food stamps, welfare, medicaid. i think WIC is available

i cant speak to schools - no experience

Schools only require a birth certificate and vaccination record for the child and some proof of address for the family. Federal law requires public schools to educate all children, regardless of their citizenship.

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dangerman  Sep 4, 2016 • 6:04:52am

re: #54 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

In any event, I don’t think instituting a national ID system in the USA will stop the flow of undocumented immigrants. The truly desperate will still come, and there will be a black market in fake IDs.

the black market being essentially the “tunnel” under the national id impenetrable “wall”

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Jayleia  Sep 4, 2016 • 6:05:04am

So…in video games, why is it that literal giants (like 30+ ft tall), have stealth skills that make ninjas look like they’re just chillin’ and blasting out tunes with their stereos cranked up?

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dangerman  Sep 4, 2016 • 6:06:30am

re: #56 jeffreyw

Sausage - it was broken up and fried with the eggs added atop towards the end and fished at a low flame with a cover on the pan.

every day you confirm my love

though i cant figure out whether its with food or you ;-)

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jeffreyw  Sep 4, 2016 • 6:06:41am

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Romantic Heretic  Sep 4, 2016 • 6:06:59am

re: #31 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Everything in the wingnut world is a matter of faith.

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dangerman  Sep 4, 2016 • 6:07:57am

re: #58 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Schools only require a birth certificate and vaccination record for the child and some proof of address for the family. Federal law requires public schools to educate all children, regardless of their citizenship.

thx

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jeffreyw  Sep 4, 2016 • 6:10:21am

re: #61 dangerman

every day you confirm my love

though i cant figure out whether its with food or you ;-)

It’s the food.
I’m an asshole. Confirmed fact!

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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 4, 2016 • 6:12:03am

NY Times trying so so hard to be really “fair” but doesn’t meet Donald’s expectations. Sad!

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dangerman  Sep 4, 2016 • 6:12:47am

re: #65 jeffreyw

It’s the food.
I’m an asshole. Confirmed fact!

great. you saved me from a world of hurt. i was dreading the conversation i was going to have to have with mrs. DM…

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Decatur Deb  Sep 4, 2016 • 6:15:58am

re: #57 dangerman

another point with regard to leases etc -

you dont have to be a citizen to be a party to a contract.

or to own real estate, or necessarily, to finance real estate

its one thing to prove identity. another to prove citizenship or the equivalent

But you and your family have to be here legally to quarantee your contract, of whatever nature, through the courts.

I said the other day, rapidly expanding biometric technology will make this entire argument unnecessary faster than any legislative process will. (If we want it to.)

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dangerman  Sep 4, 2016 • 6:16:36am

re: #66 The Vicious Babushka

NY Times trying so so hard to be really “fair” but doesn’t meet Donald’s expectations. Sad!

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motherjones

That said, this report is pretty much an almost complete exoneration of Hillary Clinton.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Sep 4, 2016 • 6:16:37am

re: #64 dangerman

thx

Plyler v. Doe (1982) was the key SCOTUS ruling here.

The trial court found that the Texas law violated the Equal Protection Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution because it amounted to a total deprivation of education without a rational basis.[10] The court rejected the state’s arguments regarding the cost of educating undocumented children, finding that the federal government largely subsidized the additional costs that the education of these children entailed and that “it is not sufficient justification that a law saves money.”[10]

In order to comply with Plyler, education policy analysts have suggested that schools may not:

*deny admission to a student on the basis of undocumented status;
*treat a student fundamentally differently from others when determining residency;
*engage in practices that frighten undocumented students and their families away from school access;
*require students or parents to disclose or document immigration status;
*make inquiries of students or parents that may expose their undocumented status;
*require Social Security numbers from any student.[11]

Needless to say, the usual suspects were and are not happy about this ruling, which was 5-4.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 4, 2016 • 6:27:31am

re: #54 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

On the other hand, if there could be legal guarantees of privacy and security, requiring ID for these activities would be a lot more efficient than the haphazard system we have now. In Sweden for example (maybe Teukka can confirm), you have to present your national ID card to do most anything related to housing, banking, education, health care, etc. The national ID is integral to the taxation and social services systems.

In any event, I don’t think instituting a national ID system in the USA will stop the flow of undocumented immigrants. The truly desperate will still come, and there will be a black market in fake IDs.

I think that a universal national ID system could help solve or reduce a lot of problems associated with illegal immigration and abuse of social programs, it would totally end the issue of “voter fraud”, and would still be cheaper than building and maintaining a wall.

And it should only be required for major financial transactions (leases and employment/insurance contracts, bank accounts) and, of course, security-related issues.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 4, 2016 • 6:28:43am

re: #59 dangerman

the black market being essentially the “tunnel” under the national id impenetrable “wall”

Anyways, a universal national ID discussion is purely rhetorical: there is no way the current political climate would support it. We would rather build walls and deport people.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Sep 4, 2016 • 6:31:04am

re: #71 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I think that a universal national ID system could help solve or reduce a lot of problems associated with illegal immigration and abuse of social programs, it would totally end the issue of “voter fraud”, and would still be cheaper than building and maintaining a wall.

And it should only be required for major financial transactions (leases and employment/insurance contracts, bank accounts) and, of course, security-related issues.

Well, at this point, a universal national ID system has about the same chances as a 2,000 mile Super Wall along the Mexican border.

As does a complete overhaul of the nation’s immigration laws and regulations.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 4, 2016 • 6:32:44am

re: #73 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

As is a complete overhaul of the nation’s immigration laws and regulations.

Because we would rather rely on a patchwork system of local and limited anti-immigration measures that simply kick the can down the road and often make things worse for all the wrong people.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Sep 4, 2016 • 6:34:46am

re: #71 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

That is what the REAL ID Act was supposed to address. Needless to say, it’s implementation and challenges to its Constitutionality have been an ongoing slog.

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Dr Lizardo  Sep 4, 2016 • 6:39:57am

re: #71 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I think that a universal national ID system could help solve or reduce a lot of problems associated with illegal immigration and abuse of social programs, it would totally end the issue of “voter fraud”, and would still be cheaper than building and maintaining a wall.

And it should only be required for major financial transactions (leases and employment/insurance contracts, bank accounts) and, of course, security-related issues.

I agree; the problem I can quite easily see first and foremost is IT’S THE MARK OF THE BEAST!!!

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Patricia Kayden  Sep 4, 2016 • 6:43:29am

re: #26 goddamnedfrank

You need many more followers and retweets. Those are all excellent points. Then the same media breathlessly reports that Clinton’s unfavorable rating is through the roof. Surprise surprise.

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dangerman  Sep 4, 2016 • 6:49:57am

re: #77 Patricia Kayden

You need many more followers and retweets. Those are all excellent points. Then the same media breathlessly reports that Clinton’s unfavorable rating is through the roof. Surprise surprise.

clinton will win
the rest is commentary

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Great White Snark  Sep 4, 2016 • 7:03:52am

re: #78 dangerman

clinton will win
the rest is commentary

Let’s not get ahead of ourselves.

10 People Who Celebrated Victory A Little Too Early

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Anymouse  Sep 4, 2016 • 7:11:09am

Off-topic: Pope Francis declared Mother Teresa a saint:

bbc.com

She was not without controversy, as she was accused of taking money from dictators and running substandard or downright filthy hospitals.

On the other hand, she is revered by tens of millions of people.

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darthstar  Sep 4, 2016 • 7:16:08am

Mornin’ everyone. Up visiting my folks for the first time in about a year. Politics is off the table for a day or two. Dad still hates Obama for stealing our guns. And he’s not exactly thrilled with Trump.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 4, 2016 • 7:16:08am

re: #80 Anymouse

Off-topic: Pope Francis declared Mother Teresa a saint:

bbc.com

She was not without controversy, as she was accused of taking money from dictators and running substandard or downright filthy hospitals.

On the other hand, she is revered by tens of millions of people.

She was a human being. Which is what I find annoying about Sainthood…it somehow is supposed to wash away all a person’s shortcomings. A Saint, by definition, is someone without sin, and the Bible itself tells us that there are no such people.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Sep 4, 2016 • 7:17:15am

April 2016, Austin, Texas:

David Cross on Republicans and Trump

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dangerman  Sep 4, 2016 • 7:19:00am

re: #79 Great White Snark

Let’s not get ahead of ourselves.

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landslide, no landslide, inevitable poll tightening, this scandal, that story, trump seems to be invulnerable to countless things that would sink a normal candidate, etc etc

short of game changing so far heretofore unanticipated “surprise” and even then -

im not celebrating - i dont see trump getting to 270
possible yes. probable —- eh, no

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 4, 2016 • 7:21:31am

re: #84 dangerman

landslide, no landslide, inevitable poll tightening, this scandal, that story, trump seems to be invulnerable to countless things that would sink a normal candidate, etc etc

Trump is the candidate of people who hate politicians and politics as usual. That is what helps make him immune to things that would destroy a professional politician.

And his own party fails to see or at least admit that they are aware of the damage he is doing to the entire electoral system, GOP included.

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Anymouse  Sep 4, 2016 • 7:26:17am

re: #82 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

She was a human being. Which is what I find annoying about Sainthood…it somehow is supposed to wash away all a person’s shortcomings. A Saint, by definition, is someone without sin, and the Bible itself tells us that there are no such people.

Well, I am an atheist, so my weighing in on the Catholic Church can be viewed from that.

My understanding of sainthood in the Catholic Church is based on living a pious life (not a sinless one, as the Catholic Church, as do other Christian churches); the only sinless person was Jesus.

The requirement to be sanctified is that two distinct miracles that the Church cannot explain through regular physical means (usually medical) are ascribed by those miracles’ witnesses or recipients to be the intervention of the proposed saint.

Thus if a person has cancer and a physician says it is incurable, but the person prays to the future saint and the cancer recedes, this could be ascribed to a miraculous intervention.

The Catholic Church considers all of those who died in a “state of grace” (for varying definitions of that) and presumed to be in Heaven to be saints. Saints with a majuscule S are those to whom observed miracles are ascribed through direct intervention on behalf of the witness or recipient.

To Roman Catholics here, how’d I do on that? (::

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Belafon  Sep 4, 2016 • 7:26:34am

re: #79 Great White Snark

Let’s not get ahead of ourselves.

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Luckily, politics isn’t a sporting contest, and the Clinton team is not composed of amateurs.

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Belafon  Sep 4, 2016 • 7:30:42am

re: #82 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

She was a human being. Which is what I find annoying about Sainthood…it somehow is supposed to wash away all a person’s shortcomings. A Saint, by definition, is someone without sin, and the Bible itself tells us that there are no such people.

I thought this wikipedia entry on saints was interesting:

In the Catholic Church, a “saint” is anyone in Heaven, whether recognized on Earth or not. The title “Saint” denotes a person who has been formally canonized, that is, officially and authoritatively declared a saint, by the Church as holder of the Keys of the Kingdom of Heaven, and is therefore believed to be in Heaven by the grace of God. There are many persons that the Church believes to be in Heaven who have not been formally canonized and who are otherwise titled “saints” because of the fame of their holiness.[12] Sometimes the word “saint” also denotes living Christians.[13]

In his book Saint of the Day, editor Leonard Foley, OFM says this: the “[Saints’] surrender to God’s love was so generous an approach to the total surrender of Jesus that the Church recognizes them as heroes and heroines worthy to be held up for our inspiration. They remind us that the Church is holy, can never stop being holy and is called to show the holiness of God by living the life of Christ.”[14]

Kenneth L. Woodward notes that:

A saint is always someone through whom we catch a glimpse of what God is like—and of what we are called to be. Only God “makes” saints, of course. The [C]hurch merely identifies from time to time a few of these for emulation. The [C]hurch then tells the story. But the author is the Source of the grace by which saints live. And there we have it: A saint is someone whose story God tells.[15]

So, in one sense, a “saint” recognized by the Catholic church is someone who they know actually made it into heaven.

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Decatur Deb  Sep 4, 2016 • 7:33:02am

re: #86 Anymouse

Well, I am an atheist, so my weighing in on the Catholic Church can be viewed from that.

My understanding of sainthood in the Catholic Church is based on living a pious life (not a sinless one, as the Catholic Church, as do other Christian churches); the only sinless person was Jesus.

The requirement to be sanctified is that two distinct miracles that the Church cannot explain through regular physical means (usually medical) are ascribed by those miracles’ witnesses or recipients to be the intervention of the proposed saint.

Thus if a person has cancer and a physician says it is incurable, but the person prays to the future saint and the cancer recedes, this could be ascribed to a miraculous intervention.

The Catholic Church considers all of those who died in a “state of grace” (for varying definitions of that) and presumed to be in Heaven to be saints. Saints with a majuscule S are those to whom observed miracles are ascribed through direct intervention on behalf of the witness or recipient.

To Roman Catholics here, how’d I do on that? (::

Ex-Catholic (5 years Franciscan seminary) here:

You’re very close. RCs also hold Mary to be sinless from the moment of conception—part of the vetting process. Note: I dropped out in the 60’s, so statements could be obsolete, though my Sharia Catholic wife keeps me in touch.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 4, 2016 • 7:36:53am

re: #88 Belafon

I thought this wikipedia entry on saints was interesting:

So, in one sense, a “saint” recognized by the Catholic church is someone who they know actually made it into heaven.

You got me nailed on that point. But can anybody be absolutely sure that Mother Teresa did not secretly whisper “Hail Satan” and make the sign of the Hornéd One before shuffling off her mortal coil?

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darthstar  Sep 4, 2016 • 7:38:29am
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Decatur Deb  Sep 4, 2016 • 7:38:44am

re: #88 Belafon

Yup. My favorite saint-to-be-declared is Dorothy Day—commie, had an abortion, an arrest record from age 17 to 79, shacked up in the Village with Eugene O’Neill’s circle.

newyorker.com

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Anymouse  Sep 4, 2016 • 7:39:05am

re: #89 Decatur Deb

Ex-Catholic (5 years Franciscan seminary) here:

You’re very close. RCs also hold Mary to be sinless from the moment of conception—part of the vetting process. Note: I dropped out in the 60’s, so statements could be obsolete, though my Sharia Catholic wife keeps me in touch.

Hmm… I was under the impression that Mary was born without the stain of “original sin,” not that she was herself free of sin. I have trouble keeping track of all that stuff since those beliefs are not a part of my life.

In the meantime,

An atheist YouTuber (fairly new to YouTube) takes apart a wingnut religious video that claims Hillary Clinton may either be a clone (which is why she can “lie so easily”), demon-possessed (apparently passing on President Obama’s torch), or suffering epilepsy (as many Christian churches still hold we epileptics are actually demon possessed).

Proof Hillary Clinton Is Possessed? (8:56)

He goes on with the recent video of Mrs. Clinton shaking her head to “prove” epilepsy (and thus demon possession). (Nevermind anyone actually suffering a seizure would not continue to stand, then immediately be able to hold her coffee, talk, and laugh afterward.) Thanks, wingnuts for continuing to spread information about more than two million Americans.

Yup, another reason I am an atheist (and a Democrat). You couldn’t pay me to be a member of Party Wingnut.

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darthstar  Sep 4, 2016 • 7:40:33am

re: #91 darthstar

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 4, 2016 • 7:44:16am

re: #93 Anymouse

An atheist YouTuber (fairly new to YouTube) takes apart a wingnut religious video that claims Hillary Clinton may either be a clone (which is why she can “lie so easily”), demon-possessed (apparently passing on President Obama’s torch), or suffering epilepsy (as many Christian churches still hold we epileptics are actually demon possessed).

Yup, another reason I am an atheist (and a Democrat). You couldn’t pay me to be a member of Party Wingnut.

Because the Party of Wingnuts has made it clear that they will embrace and spread anything that seems harmful to their opponents, no mater how contrived, spurious or contradictory it may sound to anyone outside the Bubble.

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darthstar  Sep 4, 2016 • 7:44:48am
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Decatur Deb  Sep 4, 2016 • 7:46:15am

re: #93 Anymouse

More than anyone wants to know:
newadvent.org
Definitely a one-off.

Anyone want to discuss pinhead choreography?

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Anymouse  Sep 4, 2016 • 7:46:53am

re: #95 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Because the PoW has made it clear that they will embrace and spread anything that seems harmful to their opponents, no mater how contrived, spurious or contradictory it may sound.

Yup, outreach programme. It’s not like a single Republican voter has epilepsy… .

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Jenner7  Sep 4, 2016 • 7:47:47am
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dangerman  Sep 4, 2016 • 7:48:36am

re: #85 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Trump is the candidate of people who hate politicians and politics as usual. That is what helps make him immune to things that would destroy a professional politician.

And his own party fails to see or at least admit that they are aware of the damage he is doing to the entire electoral system, GOP included.

agreed
and if he was such an aberration they would be vocally fuming at him and clearly distancing themselves

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Decatur Deb  Sep 4, 2016 • 7:48:51am

#97 updated to include correct link.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 4, 2016 • 7:49:40am

re: #100 dangerman

agreed
and if he was such an aberration they would be vocally fuming at him and clearly distancing themselves

They missed their chance to do that ages ago. Out of fear of alienating their base.

A lot of Trump voters hate the GOP nearly as much as they hate Hillary, and are voting for him to spite both.

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darthstar  Sep 4, 2016 • 7:50:30am

re: #99 Jenner7

It wasn’t an immigration speech. It was a tent revival for bigots.

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dangerman  Sep 4, 2016 • 7:54:20am

re: #102 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

They missed their chance to do that ages ago. Out of fear of alienating their base.

A lot of Trump voters hate the GOP nearly as much as they hate Hillary, and are voting for him to spite both.

exactly
because he’s not that aberration i was alluding to

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FormerDirtDart  Sep 4, 2016 • 7:54:32am
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“…Trump sold the 45th floor of Trump World Tower to the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia for $4.5 million in June 2001, according to a city Finance Department spokeswoman. In 2008, the apartments became part of the Saudi Mission to the United Nations, records show.

The five apartments included 10 bedrooms and 13 bathrooms at the time of the sale, and had yearly common charges of $85,585 for building amenities, documents obtained by The News show. If those common charges remain the same, Trump was paid at least $5.7 million by the Saudi government since 2001…”

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jeffreyw  Sep 4, 2016 • 7:55:42am

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sagehen  Sep 4, 2016 • 7:57:33am

re: #46 dangerman

cant quite make out what’s under the eggs
gotta know…

He never shows berries. His breakfast pics are always heavy on the protein and cholesterol.

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Anymouse  Sep 4, 2016 • 8:00:53am

One of my Senators, Ben Sasse (R-Nebr.), who is a historian by training, predicted (before he became a politician) that the GOP would likely disintegrate sometime around 2024-2028 due to the competing forces within the party.

Now Sen. Sasse seems convinced it will be after this election. (Senator Sasse was one of the first Republicans to denounce Mr. Trump, back in February on Facebook and in newspapers across the state, resulting in an avalanche of hate mail against him.)

Sam Seder takes apart a wingnut claim that Mr. Trump has to attract Jews to his banner, even though good Christians should hate them (and all the other anti-Semitic derp that falls in with them) - Jews are plotting the overthrow of Gentiles and Trump could deal what they deserve, &c &c. Fellow is hoping Mr. Trump will attract Jews to help him achieve victory (and so he can round them up).

Yet another reason I could not be a part of a religion.

(7:46)

Fundamentalist: Trump MUST Hire Jews, Even Though They Are THE WORST & WE HATE THEM

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darthstar  Sep 4, 2016 • 8:04:29am

re: #106 jeffreyw

I don’t care about the emails. I just want people to use the mail correctly.

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Dr Lizardo  Sep 4, 2016 • 8:05:02am

re: #108 Anymouse

Looks like Jeff Rense on the left, still sporting his pornstache.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 4, 2016 • 8:06:26am

re: #108 Anymouse

Yet another reason I could not be a part of a religion.

I could not be part of any religion that see itself as anything beyond a personal matter of conscience and morality, and certainly not one that manifests its goals through political candidates or activities.

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darthstar  Sep 4, 2016 • 8:08:04am
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Anymouse  Sep 4, 2016 • 8:08:31am

re: #110 Dr Lizardo

Looks like Jeff Rense on the left, still sporting his pornstache.

Is that who that guy is. I don’t believe I ever saw a picture of him before.

I will periodically take down someone when they pull up Mr. Rense’s points of fascism as a so-called warning, noting he is a slightly-less-famous wingnut than Alex Jones, as well as an anti-Semite and white nationalist.

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jeffreyw  Sep 4, 2016 • 8:09:15am

Imgur


Berries! For Breakfast! Who’dathunkit!?!

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ObserverArt  Sep 4, 2016 • 8:09:29am

Bernie! He has come out from under his rock and is on Meet the Chuck.

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boredtechindenver  Sep 4, 2016 • 8:10:25am

re: #65 jeffreyw

It’s the food.
I’m an asshole. Confirmed fact!

Yes you are, you gluten eating rat bastidge.

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Anymouse  Sep 4, 2016 • 8:10:50am

re: #115 ObserverArt

Bernie! He has come out from under his rock and is on Meet the Chuck.

We can hope for two things here:

a) Senator Sanders comes out strongly in favour of Secretary Clinton (as he did endorse her)
b) He is not chucktodded on the show.

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darthstar  Sep 4, 2016 • 8:17:36am

re: #115 ObserverArt

Bernie! He has come out from under his rock and is on Meet the Chuck.

It’s smart for Clinton to get him out there on her behalf. Bernie makes people feel good. National polls are tightening and we need some feel good in this campaign. In another week or two we’ll start to see Michelle Obama make appearances - that makes people feel good too. Then, when it’s time to sink the knife into her opponent, President Obama will make a few appearances.

And then we can focus on the important things in life, like how much we will loathe Republican obstructionism in the next four years.

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darthstar  Sep 4, 2016 • 8:18:29am

re: #117 Anymouse

We can hope for two things here:

a) Senator Sanders comes out strongly in favour of Secretary Clinton (as he did endorse her)
b) He is not chucktodded on the show.

That’s actually more important than being strongly against Trump.

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BeenHereAwhile  Sep 4, 2016 • 8:19:24am

re: #97 Decatur Deb

More than anyone wants to know:
newadvent.org
Definitely a one-off.

Anyone want to discuss pinhead choreography?

I count 11 Angels.

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Dr Lizardo  Sep 4, 2016 • 8:21:41am

re: #113 Anymouse

Is that who that guy is. I don’t believe I ever saw a picture of him before.

I will periodically take down someone when they pull up Mr. Rense’s points of fascism as a so-called warning, noting he is a slightly-less-famous wingnut than Alex Jones, as well as an anti-Semite and white nationalist.

Yeah, Rense is like the bargain-basement Alex Jones.

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ObserverArt  Sep 4, 2016 • 8:27:06am

re: #111 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I could not be part of any religion that see itself as anything beyond a personal matter of conscience and morality, and certainly not one that manifests its goals through political candidates or activities.

Religions (especially the oldest like the Catholic Church) are politics. Due to their history and their size and power they become political. Today the big super churches of the fundamental types are political almost by design.

In other words, the cat is out of the bag. Religion, as in Christianity, is the third party in America.

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darthstar  Sep 4, 2016 • 8:30:24am
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Varek Raith  Sep 4, 2016 • 8:33:13am

Good morning.

Fallout 2 - SERGEANT ARCH DORNAN

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Anymouse  Sep 4, 2016 • 8:34:24am

re: #121 Dr Lizardo

Yeah, Rense is like the bargain-basement Alex Jones.

Southern Poverty Law Center has a brand-spankin new article on Jeff Rense.

splcenter.org

“Used Canard Salesman.” Ha.

Mr. Rense has moved from mere conspiracy theory to selling alternative quack medication and devices, and into anti-Semitism and open Nazi worship, dragging his audience along. David Duke and Don Black (of Stormfront) both have regular programmes on his radio network now.

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darthstar  Sep 4, 2016 • 8:36:59am
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Jenner7  Sep 4, 2016 • 8:42:38am
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Bernie is a shitty surrogate. There. I said it.

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Dr Lizardo  Sep 4, 2016 • 8:52:54am

re: #125 Anymouse

Southern Poverty Law Center has a brand-spankin new article on Jeff Rense.

splcenter.org

“Used Canard Salesman.” Ha.

Mr. Rense has moved from mere conspiracy theory to selling alternative quack medication and devices, and into anti-Semitism and open Nazi worship, dragging his audience along. David Duke and Don Black (of Stormfront) both have regular programmes on his radio network now.

I haven’t heard Rense in forever - I listened one time back in 2010, and he’s kooky, to say the least. The scary thing is that, yes, he does have a great voice for radio, and he’s not angry and shrieking like Alex Jones. He’s calm in a way that’s uncanny and disturbing.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 4, 2016 • 8:54:48am

re: #127 Jenner7

Sanders: If she wins, Clinton should cease contact with Foundation

Just like candidates should not have contact with their PACs…

oh yeah, and fuck you, Bernie.

With friends like these…

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Anymouse  Sep 4, 2016 • 8:59:17am

re: #128 Dr Lizardo

I haven’t heard Rense in forever - I listened one time back in 2010, and he’s kooky, to say the least. The scary thing is that, yes, he does have a great voice for radio, and he’s not angry and shrieking like Alex Jones. He’s calm in a way that’s uncanny and disturbing.

That makes it easier for Mr. Rense to put forth his views. He sounds calm and intelligent, and that also allows him to insert ideas that one might not otherwise consider (such as Stromfront is a good organisation, or this medical device will cure your psoriasis)

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Jenner7  Sep 4, 2016 • 8:59:33am

How about, “We know every donor to the Clinton Foundation. We know what’s in her tax returns. We know how her health is. We don’t know these things about Trump. Except, the illegal donation he made to the AG of Florida, who just happened to drop the investigation into Trump U afterwards.”

That’d be my answer to ANY question about the Clinton Foundation.

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sagehen  Sep 4, 2016 • 9:00:09am

re: #123 darthstar

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This is one of those “slaps forehead, ‘why didn’t I think of that?’” ideas.

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Anymouse  Sep 4, 2016 • 9:00:42am

re: #131 Jenner7

How about, “We know every donor to the Clinton Foundation. We know what’s in her tax returns. We know how her health is. We don’t know these things about Trump. Except, the illegal donation he made to the AG of Florida, who just happened to drop the investigation into Trump U afterwards.”

That’d be my answer to ANY question about the Clinton Foundation.

Pam Bondi’s claim is there never was an investigation, that her office was merely looking into complaints.

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Dr Lizardo  Sep 4, 2016 • 9:02:26am

re: #130 Anymouse

That makes it easier for Mr. Rense to put forth his views. He sounds calm and intelligent, and that also allows him to insert ideas that one might not otherwise consider (such as Stromfront is a good organisation, or this medical device will cure your psoriasis)

Exactly. His voice is calm, intelligent-sounding and entirely reasonable sounding. You don’t hear him raving like someone having a psychotic breakdown…..that makes him all the more dangerous. I honestly don’t know the size of his audience, but I gather it’s smaller than that of Alex Jones.

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Anymouse  Sep 4, 2016 • 9:07:21am

re: #134 Dr Lizardo

Exactly. His voice is calm, intelligent-sounding and entirely reasonable sounding. You don’t hear him raving like someone having a psychotic breakdown…..that makes him all the more dangerous. I honestly don’t know the size of his audience, but I gather it’s smaller than that of Alex Jones.

Speaking of Alex Jones, his Website Infowars was hacked and fifty thousand logins, passwords, and other information were stolen.

Being essentially anti-science and anti-technology, Mr. Jones used notoriously-weak MD5 encryption for passwords (that, and upgrading security costs money).

rawstory.com

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 4, 2016 • 9:08:54am

re: #135 Anymouse

Speaking of Alex Jones, his Website Infowars was hacked and fifty thousand logins, passwords, and other information were stolen.

Being essentially anti-science and anti-technology, Mr. Jones used notoriously-weak MD5 encryption for passwords (that, and upgrading security costs money).

rawstory.com

Didn’t change his Admin password from 123456? “Ha! I’ll leave it as the default! It’s the LAST THING THEY’LL EXPECT!!!!”

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makeitstop  Sep 4, 2016 • 9:09:17am

Here’s a pretty good takedown of the Trump kids’ ‘outsider’ campaign email, by Eric Garland.

Facebook Post

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retired cynic  Sep 4, 2016 • 9:13:05am

OT, is the favorite heart still working? It used to turn green when I clicked on it, and nothing happens now. Mac, El Capitan, Safari.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Sep 4, 2016 • 9:24:17am

re: #135 Anymouse

What’s probably more embarrassing is that the hack shows that he only has 50,000 suckers registered users on file.

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Snarknado!  Sep 4, 2016 • 9:29:28am

re: #138 retired cynic

OT, is the favorite heart still working? It used to turn green when I clicked on it, and nothing happens now. Mac, El Capitan, Safari.

It highlights briefly for me (in Firefox and Android), then goes back in Firefox, and stays highlighted in Android. However, everything but the color works as always.

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Jenner7  Sep 4, 2016 • 9:31:16am
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retired cynic  Sep 4, 2016 • 9:31:43am

re: #140 Snarknado!

It highlights briefly for me (in Firefox and Android), then goes back in Firefox, and stays highlighted in Android. However, everything but the color works as always.

Thanks!

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PhillyPretzel  Sep 4, 2016 • 9:31:46am

re: #138 retired cynic

It was acting up yesterday when I tried to favorite that new widget Charles introduced.

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retired cynic  Sep 4, 2016 • 9:35:00am

re: #142 retired cynic

And it is working for me, just not turning green. Should have checked that before I made a thing of it. Thanks!

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Stanley Sea  Sep 4, 2016 • 9:35:20am

re: #141 Jenner7

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retired cynic  Sep 4, 2016 • 9:38:07am

re: #145 Stanley Sea

All right…

Whatever you say, boss.

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Tigger2  Sep 4, 2016 • 9:43:09am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 4, 2016 • 9:44:16am

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Bernie is a shitty surrogate. There. I said it.

It’s that “Bernie makes people feel good” thing…

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 4, 2016 • 9:45:42am

re: #147 Tigger2

Trump’s plan to deport millions of undocumented immigrants would hurt Social Security, NOT “protect” it

again, a feature, not a bug.

If they cannot dismantle it through legislation, they will kill it any way they can

all that money going to waste that could be invested in the stock market or real estate or in job creation (overseas)

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makeitstop  Sep 4, 2016 • 9:47:00am

re: #148 Backwoods_Sleuth

It’s that “Bernie makes people feel good” thing…

I’m kinda feeling good that his appearances to ‘support’ Clinton have been pretty rare, TBQH.

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BeachDem  Sep 4, 2016 • 9:53:44am

re: #141 Jenner7

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And Dickerson’s only response to Big Chicken’s bullshit was “All right.”

Alrighty then—great journamalism there.

And over on CNN, Jake Tapper’s show had Rudy, Rachel Campos-Duffy AND fucking Andre “you shouldn’t feed poor people because they’ll breed” Bauer. What a lineup!

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Anymouse  Sep 4, 2016 • 9:55:39am

re: #149 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

again, a feature, not a bug.

If they cannot dismantle it through legislation, they will kill it any way they can

all that money going to waste that could be invested gambled away in the stock market or real estate or in job creation tax evasion (overseas)

Fixed.

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dangerman  Sep 4, 2016 • 9:56:47am

re: #133 Anymouse

Pam Bondi’s claim is there never was an investigation, that her office was merely looking into complaints.

ah “looking into” does not equal “investigating”
“investigation” equals “investigation” and we werent doing that
its an investigation when i say it is. until then, we’re just looking into it

(yes i know there are exact and probably legal definitions)

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dangerman  Sep 4, 2016 • 9:58:37am

re: #141 Jenner7

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hey chris, is it “insulting” when we ask about that tax settlement?

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stpaulbear  Sep 4, 2016 • 10:12:11am

re: #153 dangerman

ah “looking into” does not equal “investigating”
“investigation” equals “investigation” and we werent doing that
its an investigation when i say it is. until then, we’re just looking into it

(yes i know there are exact and probably legal definitions)

Pam’s staff was doing an “investigation” until she told them that wasn’t what they were doing.

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Stanley Sea  Sep 4, 2016 • 10:15:59am
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stpaulbear  Sep 4, 2016 • 10:25:35am

I’m glad they were able to get this guy off the street for at least this weekend. Hopefully longer. (Via JoeMyGod)

Police arrest man linked to social media posts that threatened gay community

A man linked to social media posts threatening a Pulse-style attack against the LGBT community in South Florida was arrested Saturday by the Florida Highway Patrol on an unrelated charge, officials said.

A Broward County judge on Saturday held an emergency hearing to issue an arrest warrant for Craig Jungwirth, 50, for a violating bond conditions in an unrelated pending misdemeanor case.

Jungwirth has not been charged in connection with online threats made under his name, but police said Facebook posts on Aug. 30 mentioned the Pulse nightclub massacre in Orlando and made threats planned for Labor Day weekend in the Wilton Manors area.

The judge Saturday said Jungwirth’s violation of bond conditions and “escalating concerns of public safety,” along with his failure to appear in court Saturday, called for the “extraordinary measure” of revoking his bond and issuing an arrest warrant.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 4, 2016 • 10:25:38am

re: #155 stpaulbear

Pam’s staff was doing an “investigation” until she told them that wasn’t what they were doing.

I keep hearing about how Hillary gets a “free pass” for her transgressions while Trump gets picked on for every little misstep…

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dangerman  Sep 4, 2016 • 10:29:33am

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one raised many millions and distributed many millions in program services

the other raised $500k of which 95% came from one contributor and distributed about $550k

apparently dealing in m’s is questionable. though dealing in k’s probably makes it easier to hide stuff

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 4, 2016 • 10:33:10am

re: #160 dangerman

one raised many millions and distributed many millions in program services

the other raised $500k of which 95% came from one contributor and distributed about $550k

apparently dealing in m’s is questionable. though dealing in k’s probably makes it easier to hide stuff

One is from a lying, traitorous, murdering rhymes-with-witch and the other is from a successful businessman and champion of the interests of average Americans.

ANY MORE QUESTIONS???

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Weaselone  Sep 4, 2016 • 10:42:00am

re: #141 Jenner7

Seriously. The guy is TV media, it’s 2016 and he can’t handle a Gish Gallop? At the minimum the muttered response should be. “I’m sorry, but that’s not true.” not “all right”. I mean, FFS what do they pay these people for if not to at least look competent on TV?

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dangerman  Sep 4, 2016 • 10:47:49am

re: #161 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

One is from a lying, traitorous, murdering rhymes-with-witch and the other is from a successful businessman and champion of the interests of average Americans.

ANY MORE QUESTIONS???

yeah one - why are they out fundraising him by like 300x?

no wait - two — who the hell is richard ebers inside sports and entertainment group and why does it account for 95% of the revenue for 2014?
(yeah i could google it but why bother? it must be legit cause its not clinton)

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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 4, 2016 • 10:48:01am

Why does every famous person need their own Foundation anyway?

I mean I understand wanting to give back but still…

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ObserverArt  Sep 4, 2016 • 10:48:26am

re: #160 dangerman

one raised many millions and distributed many millions in program services

the other raised $500k of which 95% came from one contributor and distributed about $550k

apparently dealing in m’s is questionable. though dealing in k’s probably makes it easier to hide stuff

Well, on Meet The Press Alex Castellanos said The Clinton Foundation is nothing more than a slush fund and only spends 10% of their intake.

So, there is what happens today with stories, you have talking heads directly working for a candidate that get to put out the numbers and a media that should find the facts on the numbers willing to let the talking head roam around the truth.

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Skip Intro  Sep 4, 2016 • 10:50:14am

re: #164 Eclectic Cyborg

Why does every famous person need their own Foundation anyway?

I mean I understand wanting to give back but still…

It makes laundering money easier.

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baski deploribus derpum  Sep 4, 2016 • 10:51:42am

Looks like I’m going to have to go to the foreign press for election coverage. Like the Iraq invasion all over again. On a side note I think the gas station that’s been feeding me all week poisoned me. Yech.

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dangerman  Sep 4, 2016 • 10:57:41am

re: #165 ObserverArt

Well, on Meet The Press Alex Castellanos said The Clinton Foundation is nothing more than a slush fund and only spends 10% of their intake.

So, there is what happens today with stories, you have talking heads directly working for a candidate that get to put out the numbers and a media that should find the facts on the numbers willing to let the talking head roam around the truth.

kinda sad as you say
any bozo (meaning me) can google their 990s. either they are accurate or they are not. the clinton foundation also attached an independent auditors report. i wonder is pricewaterhousecoopers in on the scam?

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jaunte  Sep 4, 2016 • 11:01:58am

re: #164 Eclectic Cyborg

Why does every famous person need their own Foundation anyway?

I mean I understand wanting to give back but still…

I suppose it’s a full time job for more than one person to make sure the charitable contributions are being used for the purposes you want them to be used for.

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BigPapa  Sep 4, 2016 • 11:03:15am

New Sunday Roundup:

Hillary is to blame for the right wing conspiracy against her: it’s her fault because she circles the wagons when attacked.

Clinton Foundation coverage is still way ahead of Trump/Bondi scandal even thought there’s now some rumblings of corruption in Texas.

And Trump is surging! Closing the gap! Almost a tie!

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stpaulbear  Sep 4, 2016 • 11:03:54am

re: #164 Eclectic Cyborg

Why does every famous person need their own Foundation anyway?

I mean I understand wanting to give back but still…

If they’re rich, because Taxes.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 4, 2016 • 11:04:42am

Again, it is now a matter of incontrovertible RWNJ faith that the Clinton Foundation is just a money laundering front for HRC to further her political ambitions.

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dangerman  Sep 4, 2016 • 11:05:12am

re: #169 jaunte

I suppose it’s a full time job for more than one person to make sure the charitable contributions are being used for the purposes you want them to be used for.

Barnes Foundation

what can happen when your wishes are no longer in your control

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Belafon  Sep 4, 2016 • 11:07:35am

re: #164 Eclectic Cyborg

Why does every famous person need their own Foundation anyway?

I mean I understand wanting to give back but still…

In the case of Carnegie, Bill Gates, and the Clintons, it allows them to use their name recognition and money to pull in more money and influence to accomplish some things that really wouldn’t get accomplished otherwise (do you see any Republican group funding AIDS drug spending in Africa?). Why waste that commodity?

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baski deploribus derpum  Sep 4, 2016 • 11:09:44am

Bob Cesca

Within our present system, a reality-show demagogue can parlay his tabloid popularity into a run for president. He can win the nomination by appealing to the basest, cruelest, most simplistic instincts of reactionary voters who are too ignorant and lazy to understand the wonky details of public policy and who are mostly brainwashed from within an impermeable bubble in which a limitless geyser of misinformation and propaganda, carefully designed and crafted to tap into the reptilian brains of the poorly educated and easily influenced, has successfully deceived enough voters to openly support this destructive character

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Sep 4, 2016 • 11:10:24am

ive been playing a little game with myself called Is There Any Other Politician In American History Who I Wouldnt Vote For If They Were Running Against Trump

so far all ive come up with is tailgunner joe maccarthy

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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 4, 2016 • 11:12:08am

re: #176 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

Nixon maybe? Or Rod Blagojevich?

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dangerman  Sep 4, 2016 • 11:13:59am

re: #175 TK-421

Bob Cesca

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this worked because there are a lot/enough of them

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Belafon  Sep 4, 2016 • 11:13:59am

re: #177 Eclectic Cyborg

Nixon maybe? Or Rod Blagojevich?

You’d rather vote for Trump than Nixon?

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Sep 4, 2016 • 11:16:16am

re: #170 BigPapa

New Sunday Roundup:

Hillary is to blame for the right wing conspiracy against her: it’s her fault because she circles the wagons when attacked.

Clinton Foundation coverage is still way ahead of Trump/Bondi scandal even thought there’s now some rumblings of corruption in Texas.

And Trump is surging! Closing the gap! Almost a tie!

To balance 538’s relentless gap-closing, Sam Wang has the probability of a Clinton victory and a Democratic takeover of the Senate up a percentage point over yesterday.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 4, 2016 • 11:16:30am

re: #179 Belafon

Eh, point taken. Not sure I want to give Trump the trophy of Worst Politician who ever lived. Not yet anyway…

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Sep 4, 2016 • 11:17:11am

re: #177 Eclectic Cyborg

Nixon maybe? Or Rod Blagojevich?

nixon over trump anyday

reagan im a little less sure about

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ObserverArt  Sep 4, 2016 • 11:19:38am

re: #168 dangerman

kinda sad as you say
any bozo (meaning me) can google their 990s. either they are accurate or they are not. the clinton foundation also attached an independent auditors report. i wonder is pricewaterhousecoopers in on the scam?

Heh. DailyKos article calling Castellanos out as a liar…dumps on Chuck Todd for letting the falsehood go by without contesting it.

Daily Kos - Alex Castellanos Lies on Meet the Press

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An analysis by FactCheck (www. factcheck. org/…) reported the following quote from the charity monitoring group CharityWatch,

“Considering all of the organizations affiliated with the Clinton Foundation, he said, CharityWatch concluded about 89 percent of its budget is spent on programs. That’s the amount it spent on charity in 2013, he said. We looked at the consolidated financial statements (see page 4) and calculated that in 2013, 88.3 percent of spending was designated as going toward program services — $196.6 million out of $222.6 million in reported expenses.”​

I can forgive Alex Costellanos, he’s a paid spokesweasel for the Republicans. I can’t forgive Chuck Todd who let such an egregious falsehood go by without a retort. Tim Russert would have been all over that one.

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baski deploribus derpum  Sep 4, 2016 • 11:20:01am

I don’t believe Hillary would shut down the foundation. Anyone else might be shaken by the Gish gallop of lies, but she’s got experience with the cretins in spades. I hope she tells them to pound sand.

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Sep 4, 2016 • 11:20:16am

re: #170 BigPapa

And Trump is surging! Closing the gap! Almost a tie!

electrical collage sez neh

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 4, 2016 • 11:20:58am

re: #181 Eclectic Cyborg

Eh, point taken. Not sure I want to give Trump the trophy of Worst Politician who ever lived. Not yet anyway…

He is not a politician yet, only a candidate.

And every time we go tailspinning off on another outrageous thing he says or does, we are neglecting to remind everyone that this fellow has absolutely no legislative, administrative or policy-making record to refer to, all he can offer are promises of what he would do.

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Belafon  Sep 4, 2016 • 11:21:38am

re: #181 Eclectic Cyborg

Eh, point taken. Not sure I want to give Trump the trophy of Worst Politician who ever lived. Not yet anyway…

They only thing that saves him right now is he’s never actually done anything as a politician.

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Sep 4, 2016 • 11:22:35am

re: #186 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

He is not a politician yet, only a candidate.

And every time we go tailspinning off on another outrageous thing he says or does, we are forgetting to mention that this fellow has absolutely no legislative, administrative or policy-making record to refer to, all he can offer are promises of what he would do.

bu but he’s says he’ll fix everything it’ll make yer head spin no prob easy peasy!!

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 4, 2016 • 11:24:21am

re: #188 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

bu but he’s says he’ll fix everything it’ll make yer head spin no prob easy peasy!!

His base of support is people who are sick of politicians and politics as usual. And they hate the GOP establishment nearly as much as they hate the Democrats, and are voting for Trump to spite both in equal measure.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Sep 4, 2016 • 11:25:08am

re: #185 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

electrical collage sez neh

Random thought: How long would the Electoral College survive after a Democrat lost the Popular Vote but had an Electoral majority? It almost happened in 2004. Other way around—Meh.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 4, 2016 • 11:25:41am
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BigPapa  Sep 4, 2016 • 11:25:44am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 4, 2016 • 11:28:49am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 4, 2016 • 11:29:55am

re: #190 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Random thought: How long would the Electoral College survive after a Democrat lost the Popular Vote but had an Electoral majority? It almost happened in 2004. Other way around—Meh.

I am for retaining the EC but only having it kick in if no single candidate receives a majority of the popular vote.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 4, 2016 • 11:30:18am
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dangerman  Sep 4, 2016 • 11:31:07am

re: #189 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

His base of support is people who are sick of politicians and politics as usual. And they hate the GOP establishment nearly as much as they hate the Democrats, and are voting for Trump to spite both in equal measure.

and they lean on this fresh / new / untested / straight talking “this fellow has absolutely no legislative, administrative or policy-making record to refer to, all he can offer are promises of what he would do.”

when he actually does have a performance history that is documented, relevant and likely is a good indicator of his future behavior - ie no different

which makes him as much a known quantity / predictor as the gop establishment or the democrats

outsider my ass

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Belafon  Sep 4, 2016 • 11:31:41am

re: #189 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

His base of support is people who are sick of politicians and politics as usual. And they hate the GOP establishment nearly as much as they hate the Democrats, and are voting for Trump to spite both in equal measure.

His base is made up of two groups of people: Racists, and whites that don’t worry about whether they’ll be affected by his presidency. Here in Texas, I see both groups. The first group is really obvious. The second group includes the people I work with, at a government contractor that gets 90+% of it’s revenue from the government. And a lot of these people have never had any other job. Were Trump to really screw things up, these people wouldn’t know how to function.

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dangerman  Sep 4, 2016 • 11:32:26am

re: #191 Backwoods_Sleuth

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sagehen  Sep 4, 2016 • 11:34:04am

re: #164 Eclectic Cyborg

Why does every famous person need their own Foundation anyway?

I mean I understand wanting to give back but still…

It’s not just for famous people.

If your donations are 18 small ones, a dozen medium ones, a project once in a while… your paperwork is easier if you make one donation a year on your 1040, and your foundation has its own separate checkbook. If you talk some of your friends into donating to your preferred charity one year, they can all put the money in your foundation which then writes a larger check and gets to name a wall.

If your donations are a steady $x/year for each of 12 causes but your income is uneven (you sold an investment property one year. you cashed out a stock.), you can remove the money from your taxable income today but park it and dole it out over several years.

The foundation is legally required to disburse 5% a year, the rest can be invested and there’ll be no capital gains tax if/when those investments pay off. If you and your four richest friends each have a foundation, you can hire each other’s kids part-time to buff up their college applications.

Etc.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 4, 2016 • 11:35:36am

re: #196 dangerman

when he actually does have a performance history that is documented, relevant and likely is a good indicator of his future behavior - ie no different

He has a performance history in the private sector, in real estate development, investment and entertainment…these are not directly transferable to public service, personnel choices and and policy-making

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 4, 2016 • 11:40:56am

re: #199 sagehen

It’s not just for famous people.

If your donations are 18 small ones, a dozen medium ones, a project once in a while… your paperwork is easier if you make one donation a year on your 1040, and your foundation has its own separate checkbook. If you talk some of your friends into donating to your preferred charity one year, they can all put the money in your foundation which then writes a larger check and gets to name a wall.

If your donations are a steady $x/year for each of 12 causes but your income is uneven (you sold an investment property one year. you cashed out a stock.), you can remove the money from your taxable income today but park it and dole it out over several years.

The foundation is legally required to disburse 5% a year, the rest can be invested and there’ll be no capital gains if/when those investments pay off. If you and your four richest friends each have a foundation, you can hire each other’s kids part-time to buff up their college applications.

Etc.

And sometimes there are people like me who have a designated amount of money to distribute every year and I do not file any paperwork at all.
Because I was raised to believe that charity is quietly done, with no expectation of benefit returning to me.
I’ve never taken a charitable deduction on my tax returns and I never will.
I’m not the only one who does it this way, but would not think of dictating to others how they prefer to handle their legitimate charitable financial actions.

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Sep 4, 2016 • 11:42:41am

re: #196 dangerman

and they lean on this fresh / new / untested / straight talking “this fellow has absolutely no legislative, administrative or policy-making record to refer to, all he can offer are promises of what he would do.”

when he actually does have a performance history that is documented, relevant and likely is a good indicator of his future behavior - ie no different

which makes him as much a known quantity / predictor as the gop establishment or the democrats

outsider my ass

well you have to admit he has more experience as a lying ass con man than any candidate in american history

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dangerman  Sep 4, 2016 • 11:43:30am

re: #200 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

He has a performance history in the private sector, in real estate development, investment and entertainment…these are not directly transferable to public service, personnel choices and and policy-making

i think some of it is - while there are no past public policy positions to look at, his behavior, choices he made, things he did or didnt do for himself, the public, the public good, etc, his volunteerism (ok i kid), choices of causes,

his hiring practices on the campaign alone are indicitive
successful or not, his cavalier attitudes wrt to the casinos, contractors and subs, trump university speak to decision making
his involvement in and not fighting against the rental practices - he fought the government instead of his father…

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sagehen  Sep 4, 2016 • 11:43:36am

re: #190 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Random thought: How long would the Electoral College survive after a Democrat lost the Popular Vote but had an Electoral majority? It almost happened in 2004. Other way around—Meh.

You mean like in 1992 and 1996? Bill Clinton pulled about 42% of the popular vote (because Ross Perot).

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De Kolta Chair  Sep 4, 2016 • 11:44:21am

Everybody’s trying to get into the act…

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Sep 4, 2016 • 11:45:59am

re: #204 sagehen

You mean like in 1992 and 1996? Bill Clinton pulled about 42% of the popular vote (because Ross Perot).

No, Bill Clinton won the Popular Vote both times. Like 1876 and 2000, only reversed.

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De Kolta Chair  Sep 4, 2016 • 11:52:38am

re: #195 Backwoods_Sleuth

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Sep 4, 2016 • 11:53:11am

my take on trump @ the debate

he knows very well that it’s all about zingers and attitude, not policy details and knowing the most. him & his buddies have been brainstorming zingers by way of debate prep

he’s also a big practitioner of subverting your opponents carefully planned answer by interrupting it halfway through with a punk remark. this can be spiked but it takes time and cooperation from the panel

so i expect trump to dominate at the start and look like a winner

and then say something which he thinks is a great zinger but appears to most people as something that could only be the result of emotionally disordered thinking

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Sep 4, 2016 • 11:58:12am

re: #208 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

my take on trump @ the debate

he knows very well that it’s all about zingers and attitude, not policy details and knowing the most. him & his buddies have been brainstorming zingers by way of debate prep

he’s also a big practitioner of subverting your opponents carefully planned answer by interrupting it halfway through with a punk remark. this can be spiked but it takes time and cooperation from the panel

so i expect trump to dominate at the start and look like a winner

and then say something which he thinks is a great zinger but appears to most people as something that could only be the result of emotionally disordered thinking

He’ll say something like that nematode Reagan’s “Well, there you go again” and that’ll be that—Game, Set, Match.

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sagehen  Sep 4, 2016 • 11:58:23am

re: #206 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

No, Bill Clinton won the Popular Vote both times. Like 1876 and 2000, only reversed.

1992

Bill Clinton 44,909,889 370
George Bush 39,104,545 168
H. Ross Perot 19,742,267 0

Bill Clinton didn’t win a majority of the popular vote. That was congressional R’s justification for trying so hard to delegitimize him.

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stpaulbear  Sep 4, 2016 • 12:00:45pm

re: #186 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

He is not a politician yet, only a candidate.

And every time we go tailspinning off on another outrageous thing he says or does, we are neglecting to remind everyone that this fellow has absolutely no legislative, administrative or policy-making record to refer to, all he can offer are promises of what he would do.

And the only business experience he has is being born on third base and contesting the play when he was thrown out while trying to steal home.

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dangerman  Sep 4, 2016 • 12:02:14pm

re: #208 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

my take on trump @ the debate

he knows very well that it’s all about zingers and attitude, not policy details and knowing the most. him & his buddies have been brainstorming zingers by way of debate prep

he’s also a big practitioner of subverting your opponents carefully planned answer by interrupting it halfway through with a punk remark. this can be spiked but it takes time and cooperation from the panel

so i expect trump to dominate at the start and look like a winner

and then say something which he thinks is a great zinger but appears to most people as something that could only be the result of emotionally disordered thinking

ive long stopped trying to expect or predict anything regarding this election

i think she acts presidential and adult

if/when he does interrupt her, id like to see her just stand there and wait for him to finish and not say a word. then say “are you done”, and then continue. demonstrating politeness in the face of rudeness (plus the implied man/woman optics)

shes also going to talk way more specifically and in detail. the contrast is gonna be obvious

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Sep 4, 2016 • 12:03:19pm

re: #210 sagehen

1992

Bill Clinton 44,909,889 370
George Bush 39,104,545 168
H. Ross Perot 19,742,267 0

Bill Clinton didn’t win a majority of the popular vote. That was congressional R’s justification for trying so hard to delegitimize him.

Neither did Lincoln or Wilson or Nixon or Reagan (the first time each). I’m talking about the actual second-place finisher winding up in the White House, like Dumbya.

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Sep 4, 2016 • 12:05:47pm

cat. bag. out.

One of Donald Trump’s top supporters insisted Sunday that the Republican nominee is backing away from one of his most controversial immigration proposals: mass deportations.

In an interview with CNN’s Jake Tapper on “State of the Union,” former New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani said Trump doesn’t want to break up immigrant families in America.

walkback commencing in 3… 2…

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ObserverArt  Sep 4, 2016 • 12:10:20pm

re: #208 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

my take on trump @ the debate

he knows very well that it’s all about zingers and attitude, not policy details and knowing the most. him & his buddies have been brainstorming zingers by way of debate prep

he’s also a big practitioner of subverting your opponents carefully planned answer by interrupting it halfway through with a punk remark. this can be spiked but it takes time and cooperation from the panel

so i expect trump to dominate at the start and look like a winner

and then say something which he thinks is a great zinger but appears to most people as something that could only be the result of emotionally disordered thinking

Pretty good take on Trump tactics.

I think Hillary should at all times remain calm. Never get in a direct exchange…force him to interupt and be the jerk he can be.

When he goes off with one of his cutting interruptions she should say stuff like “Can you imagine negotiating with foreign leaders like this, with interruptions and name calling?”

Call all his tactics for what exactly they are and use it against him by reminding the audience he never does talk about actual policy or facts of how he plans to do anything, and as his business background shows…you can’t trust his word you have to look at the facts and they are not pretty.

By the end of the debate he should be well pissed off and calling her everything in his book. It will not look good for a presidential debate. Sure there is always the idiots that will cheer his name calling, but people looking for someone serious will see he can never be serious.

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Charles Johnson  Sep 4, 2016 • 12:23:46pm

You may think you’ve seen creepy photos of Chuck C. Johnson before. But we’re now into new realms of creepiness.

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Charles Johnson  Sep 4, 2016 • 12:25:25pm

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Big Beautiful Door  Sep 4, 2016 • 12:25:27pm

re: #30 dangerman

nice way to start the day:

Missouri is one of 10 states since Reconstruction where only white candidates have won contests for president, senator, governor and other nonjudicial offices elected statewide.

I bet Kentucky only just got off this list, because Matt Bevin’s running mate, Lt. Gov. Jenean Hamilton, is African-American.

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Big Beautiful Door  Sep 4, 2016 • 12:26:00pm

re: #216 Charles Johnson

You may think you’ve seen creepy photos of Chuck C. Johnson before. But we’re now into new realms of creepiness.

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Almost as creepy as Pennywise.

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Sherlock Hound  Sep 4, 2016 • 12:26:18pm

re: #216 Charles Johnson

OK. IOKIYAR when It comes to Chuck around kids.

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BeachDem  Sep 4, 2016 • 12:27:08pm

re: #217 Charles Johnson

Wonder if he has a panel van and a bag of candy in the parking lot?

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BeachDem  Sep 4, 2016 • 12:30:00pm

And now HuffPo’s main is:

Bernie: Prez Hillary Must Cut Ties

Great surrogatin’ there Bern.
Arrrggghh

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Dr Lizardo  Sep 4, 2016 • 12:30:37pm

re: #221 BeachDem

Wonder if he has a panel van and a bag of candy in the parking lot?

Like this?

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Stanley Sea  Sep 4, 2016 • 12:30:53pm

re: #217 Charles Johnson

Looks like he’s wearing a mic. Weird interview location.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 4, 2016 • 12:31:49pm

re: #222 BeachDem

And now HuffPo’s main is:

Bernie: Prez Hillary Must Cut Ties

Great surrogatin’ there Bern.
Arrrggghh

Bernie should just STFU and go back to his brand new $575,000 vacation house.

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Dave In Austin  Sep 4, 2016 • 12:33:14pm

re: #216 Charles Johnson

You may think you’ve seen creepy photos of Chuck C. Johnson before. But we’re now into new realms of creepiness.

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Ripe Meme fodder…..

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jaunte  Sep 4, 2016 • 12:36:36pm

re: #216 Charles Johnson

All he’s missing is the clown costume.

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scottslemmons  Sep 4, 2016 • 12:36:49pm

re: #226 Dave In Austin

Ripe Meme fodder…..

((this is going to get me yelled at, isn’t it?))

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 4, 2016 • 12:40:57pm

re: #210 sagehen

1992

Bill Clinton 44,909,889 370
George Bush 39,104,545 168
H. Ross Perot 19,742,267 0

Bill Clinton didn’t win a majority of the popular vote. That was congressional R’s justification for trying so hard to delegitimize him.

Just like the Democrats did with GW Bush?

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Charles Johnson  Sep 4, 2016 • 12:42:21pm

The Rage Furby is going to BLOW THIS CASE WIDE OPEN!

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A Cranky One  Sep 4, 2016 • 12:44:11pm

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 4, 2016 • 12:44:42pm

The whole point of the upper-level GOP strategists (who do believe in “unskewered” polling) is the HRC is gonna win and they have to everything in their power to make it look like she has no clear mandate, that she used fraud or nasssty trickstery to get elected and they are therefore compelled to confound and obstruct everything she tries to accomplish.

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jaunte  Sep 4, 2016 • 12:44:56pm

re: #231 A Cranky One

A short slide, but he’s managing it.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 4, 2016 • 12:46:45pm

completely missing the fecking point:

Reply
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 4, 2016 • 12:48:08pm
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dangerman  Sep 4, 2016 • 12:49:06pm

cant we go one day without my having to see that guy’s face

arrggghhhh

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jaunte  Sep 4, 2016 • 12:51:36pm

re: #234 Backwoods_Sleuth

He’s probably not troubled by fans buying beer and food, eating, drinking, and going to the restrooms while the anthem plays.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 4, 2016 • 12:51:56pm

re: #235 Backwoods_Sleuth

And there we have it, folks. Sports events are the arbiters of patriotism because ANTHEM!

you are getting at something here. our national ballsports, of foot, basket and base, are some of the key orientation points for many people’s sense of national identity and patriotism. to tinker with them in any manner they are not accustomed to is likely to get such folks very upset, as they often have no idea what Patriotism and America are really about and are thus totally fixated on arbitrary symbols and rituals associated with it.

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Big Beautiful Door  Sep 4, 2016 • 12:52:16pm

re: #127 Jenner7

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Bernie is a shitty surrogate. There. I said it.

Well, he is right about that. The President shouldn’t have official ties with non-government organizations, even effective charitable ones.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 4, 2016 • 12:52:27pm

re: #236 dangerman

cant we go one day without my having to see that guy’s face

arrggghhhh

yes, I have been awaiting his oblivion for ages and just want to see him pass like a bad smell…

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Sep 4, 2016 • 12:52:30pm

re: #230 Charles Johnson

This should be good for a laugh-especially considering how horribly he was handling that manuscript. I’m trying to remember what his ‘DNA source’ was….

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 4, 2016 • 12:52:56pm

re: #239 Big Beautiful Door

Well, he is right about that. The President shouldn’t have official ties with non-government organizations, even effective charitable ones.

fine, but what the fuck does that have to do with helping HRC get elected? what a dick

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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 4, 2016 • 12:53:25pm

Are these folks aware the only reason we have anthems in sports in the first place is because it was a way to honor those who served in WWII?

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Ia! Ia! Trump Ftaghn! (née Sophist)  Sep 4, 2016 • 12:54:29pm

re: #230 Charles Johnson

The Rage Furby is going to BLOW THIS CASE WIDE OPEN!

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Pfft, “results from the DNA”? From that manuscript he dropped on the ground?

BREAKING SCANDAL! OBAMA IS ACTUALLY A HOUSECAT! MUST CREDIT GOTNEWS!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 4, 2016 • 12:55:11pm

re: #238 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

you are getting at something here. our national ballsports, of foot, basket and base, are some of the key orientation points for many people’s sense of national identity and patriotism. to tinker with them in any manner they are not accustomed to is likely to get such folks very upset, as they often have no idea what Patriotism and America are really about and are thus totally fixated on arbitrary symbols and rituals associated with it.

That was essentially Laura’s point that started all of this.

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Big Beautiful Door  Sep 4, 2016 • 12:56:10pm

re: #242 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

fine, but what the fuck does that have to do with helping HRC get elected? what a dick

I heard Todd ask Sanders the question, so he had to give some answer. Todd was pressing him to say the Clinton Foundation should be shut down.

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BeachDem  Sep 4, 2016 • 12:56:20pm

re: #235 Backwoods_Sleuth

Hey Sleuth, I think a while back you were looking for more info on Trump and the Swifton Apartments thing.

This doesn’t have any links, but is a firsthand story about it—thought you might be interested, if you hadn’d seen it before.

dailykos.com

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 4, 2016 • 12:57:23pm

re: #246 Big Beautiful Door

I heard Todd ask Sanders the question, so he had to give some answer. Todd was pressing him to say the Clinton Foundation should be shut down.

Because everybody knows the Clinton Foundation is just a money laundering front for HRC to to further her sinister political ambitions…

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Belafon  Sep 4, 2016 • 12:58:00pm

re: #127 Jenner7

The best (worst) line from that article:

Pressure continues to build on Clinton over allegations that special access was giving to foundation donors when she was Secretary of State.

No, it really doesn’t continue to build, other than among people who want to avoid talking about Trump.

Someone should make a pro-Clinton commercial that says something like “Imagine begin hated because you’re a woman. Now imagine being attacked because men have known for 30 years that you’d be a threat. And imagine getting stuff done anyway. Isn’t that what you want in a president?”

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 4, 2016 • 12:58:17pm

re: #239 Big Beautiful Door

Well, he is right about that. The President shouldn’t have official ties with non-government organizations, even effective charitable ones.

So, no President should be an active member of a church, a veterans’ organization, any charitable group at all. Ever.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 4, 2016 • 1:00:16pm

re: #250 Backwoods_Sleuth

So, no President should be an active member of a church, a veterans’ organization, any charitable group at all. Ever.

True American Presidents, sure, but sinister, lying, traitorous, murdering rhymes-with-with Presidents? Never!!!

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BeachDem  Sep 4, 2016 • 1:01:07pm

re: #248 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Because everybody knows the Clinton Foundation is just a money laundering front for HRC to to further her sinister political ambitions…

And everybody also knows that Chuck Todd is such a dedicated interviewer that his questions must be answered exactly as he wishes them to be.
/

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TedStriker  Sep 4, 2016 • 1:01:09pm

re: #250 Backwoods_Sleuth

So, no President should be an active member of a church, a veterans’ organization, any charitable group at all. Ever.

For fear of being “influenced”.

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nines09  Sep 4, 2016 • 1:01:16pm

Bueno dias, Happy Labor Day and hello. Having a very fine Labor Day, hope all are, wherever your labors lie. Steve Vai is one talented string bender. And that face he’s making throughout that video? TWO things will give you that face. Playing guitar is one of them. Float on.

The Floaters - Float On [Long Version]

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gwangung  Sep 4, 2016 • 1:02:02pm

re: #250 Backwoods_Sleuth

So, no President should be an active member of a church, a veterans’ organization, any charitable group at all. Ever.

All assets are placed in a blind trust, with someone else in charge of them.

With respect to the Clinton Foundation, all close family members should be and will be stepping away from the Foundation, with fiduciary powers resting with an outside individual.

Once she’s out of office, there’s nothing stopping her or her family from rejoining governance, just like there’s nothing stopping her from retaking fiduciary control of her assets when she leaves office.

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Belafon  Sep 4, 2016 • 1:02:03pm

re: #250 Backwoods_Sleuth

So, no President should be an active member of a church, a veterans’ organization, any charitable group at all. Ever.

If she became president, she would be able to demand a 100% increase in her Clinton Foundation salary.

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Belafon  Sep 4, 2016 • 1:02:45pm

re: #255 gwangung

All assets are placed in a blind trust, with someone else in charge of them.

With respect to the Clinton Foundation, all close family members should be and will be stepping away from the Foundation, with fiduciary powers resting with an outside individual.

Once she’s out of office, there’s nothing stopping her or her family from rejoining governance, just like there’s nothing stopping her from retaking fiduciary control of her assets when she leaves office.

I still like someone’s idea here that the Obama’s could take over.

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Ia! Ia! Trump Ftaghn! (née Sophist)  Sep 4, 2016 • 1:03:03pm

re: #246 Big Beautiful Door

I heard Todd ask Sanders the question, so he had to give some answer. Todd was pressing him to say the Clinton Foundation should be shut down.

So answer it like you’ve got a brain in your head. Say that of course President Clinton would hand off all control to another party, if for no other reason than the fact that being president is a full-time job, and then immediately pivot into “why aren’t you asking for Trump to shut his businesses down”?

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Belafon  Sep 4, 2016 • 1:04:28pm

Who thinks that separating themselves from the charity would actually satisfy Republicans and the media?

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 4, 2016 • 1:05:06pm

re: #259 Belafon

Who thinks that separating themselves from the charity would actually satisfy Republicans and the media?

Nothing less than blood would satisfy them.

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gwangung  Sep 4, 2016 • 1:06:12pm

re: #257 Belafon

I still like someone’s idea here that the Obama’s could take over.

I’d laugh my ass off if the Clintons did this…

(And they actually could name one of the Obamas or Gore as titular head, with no salary or anything else than figurehead star power).

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makeitstop  Sep 4, 2016 • 1:07:49pm

So we did end up running out to Robert Moses Beach today (my wife got her anniversary wish) to check out the surf, and it was pretty damn rough. Waves were breaking up to 1/8 mile out from the beach, and as best I could tell they were 8-10 foot waves. On a Long Island beach. If the surfers could have gotten into the water they would have been in their glory. But no go - if one pic could sum up the LI beach experience today, it would be this one.

Lifeguards chillin’ because angry surf.
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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Sep 4, 2016 • 1:07:55pm

re: #226 Dave In Austin

Ripe Meme fodder…..

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BeachDem  Sep 4, 2016 • 1:11:10pm

re: #250 Backwoods_Sleuth

So, no President should be an active member of a church, a veterans’ orgnationanization, any charitable group at all. Ever.

And then there’s Ginni Thomas, wife of sitting Supreme, who has, during her husband’s tenure:

Worked for Dick Armey
Worked for the Heritage Foundation
Worked for Liberty Central, a group aimed at opposing what Thomas has called the leftist “tyranny” of President Barack Obama and Congressional Democrats and “protecting the core founding principles” of the nation
Headed Liberty Consultants, which touted her “experience and connections” to help “with “governmental affairs efforts” and political donation strategies.”
Key member of Groundswell, a coalition of right wing activists and journalists attempting to make political change behind the scenes through lobbying of high-level contacts.

Media outrage level—0.

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Big Beautiful Door  Sep 4, 2016 • 1:11:36pm

re: #167 TK-421

Looks like I’m going to have to go to the foreign press for election coverage. Like the Iraq invasion all over again. On a side note I think the gas station that’s been feeding me all week poisoned me. Yech.

You should never, ever eat food from a gas station convenience store. Chances are it expired a year or more ago.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Sep 4, 2016 • 1:11:52pm

re: #255 gwangung

All assets are placed in a blind trust, with someone else in charge of them.

When GHWB was President, he did exactly that.

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Big Beautiful Door  Sep 4, 2016 • 1:12:50pm

re: #249 Belafon

The best (worst) line from that article:

No, it really doesn’t continue to build, other than among people who want to avoid talking about Trump.

Someone should make a pro-Clinton commercial that says something like “Imagine begin hated because you’re a woman. Now imagine being attacked because men have known for 30 years that you’d be a threat. And imagine getting stuff done anyway. Isn’t that what you want in a president?”

That would make a great commercial.

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dangerman  Sep 4, 2016 • 1:12:52pm

re: #238 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

you are getting at something here. our national ballsports, of foot, basket and base, are some of the key orientation points for many people’s sense of national identity and patriotism. to tinker with them in any manner they are not accustomed to is likely to get such folks very upset, as they often have no idea what Patriotism and America are really about and are thus totally fixated on arbitrary symbols and rituals associated with it.

you left out stick/skate/and puck. how american izzat?

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Dave In Austin  Sep 4, 2016 • 1:12:58pm

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 4, 2016 • 1:13:45pm

MrBWS is attempting to save my Chevy Blazer’s transmission.
He has to leave tomorrow and just made some noises about taking a shortcut.

Me: NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!! Do it right or do it not at all. I still have my old trusty Ford Ranger that has stranded me only twice since 1998.
MrBWS: Oh, forgot about the Ranger… ok, then…

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dangerman  Sep 4, 2016 • 1:13:48pm

re: #243 Eclectic Cyborg

Are these folks aware the only reason we have anthems in sports in the first place is because it was a way to honor those who served in WWII?

i thought it was so we wouldnt forget what country we were in

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retired cynic  Sep 4, 2016 • 1:14:34pm

Speaking of clowns, and cartoons, this post by Martin Longman is a good one.

boomantribune.com

Worth reading. The concept is that real Republicans can’t be elected anymore, so they have to go for caricatures.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 4, 2016 • 1:14:36pm

re: #264 BeachDem

Exactly…

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 4, 2016 • 1:15:58pm

re: #264 BeachDem

And then there’s Ginni Thomas, wife of sitting Supreme, who has, during her husband’s tenure:

Worked for Dick Armey
Worked for the Heritage Foundation
Worked for Liberty Central, a group aimed at opposing what Thomas has called the leftist “tyranny” of President Barack Obama and Congressional Democrats and “protecting the core founding principles” of the nation
Headed Liberty Consultants, which touted her “experience and connections” to help “with “governmental affairs efforts” and political donation strategies.”
Key member of Groundswell, a coalition of right wing activists and journalists attempting to make political change behind the scenes through lobbying of high-level contacts.

Media outrage level—0.

There is “avoiding the appearance of any malfeasance” and then there is “fuck them, what’s in it for me?”

Pretty easy to tell which side is which.

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dangerman  Sep 4, 2016 • 1:16:20pm

re: #255 gwangung

All assets are placed in a blind trust, with someone else in charge of them.

With respect to the Clinton Foundation, all close family members should be and will be stepping away from the Foundation, with fiduciary powers resting with an outside individual.

Once she’s out of office, there’s nothing stopping her or her family from rejoining governance, just like there’s nothing stopping her from retaking fiduciary control of her assets when she leaves office.

none of that woudl stop the (nonexistent) pay to play if it did exist

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 4, 2016 • 1:17:17pm

re: #268 dangerman

you left out stick/skate/and puck. how american izzat?

too canadian

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Big Beautiful Door  Sep 4, 2016 • 1:17:24pm

re: #250 Backwoods_Sleuth

So, no President should be an active member of a church, a veterans’ organization, any charitable group at all. Ever.

By “official ties” I meant more than mere membership in a group. I think the President has more than enough to do as President. If she likes a charity, she can get involved in it again after her term of office is over.

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Anymouse  Sep 4, 2016 • 1:18:34pm

re: #97 Decatur Deb

More than anyone wants to know:
newadvent.org
Definitely a one-off.

Anyone want to discuss pinhead choreography?

Well, I suppose my understanding was off a bit, but considerably less off than others. That definition cleared things up for me.re: #90 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

You got me nailed on that point. But can anybody be absolutely sure that Mother Teresa did not secretly whisper “Hail Satan” and make the sign of the Hornéd One before shuffling off her mortal coil?

Mother Theresa was an inside job? Sounds like an Alex Jones investigation in the works.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 4, 2016 • 1:18:38pm

re: #277 Big Beautiful Door

By “official ties” I meant more than mere membership in a group. I think the President has more than enough to do as President. If she likes a charity, she can get involved in it again after her term of office is over.

Why is this even a topic of discussion except for the fact that the Clinton Foundation has now become the chief object of RWNJ fixation now that Benghazi and E-mailgate have been all but retired?

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Big Beautiful Door  Sep 4, 2016 • 1:18:52pm

re: #258 Ia! Ia! Trump Ftaghn! (née Sophist)

So answer it like you’ve got a brain in your head. Say that of course President Clinton would hand off all control to another party, if for no other reason than the fact that being president is a full-time job, and then immediately pivot into “why aren’t you asking for Trump to shut his businesses down”?

That would’ve been a good answer; turn it around on Trump.

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gwangung  Sep 4, 2016 • 1:20:59pm

re: #275 dangerman

none of that woudl stop the (nonexistent) pay to play if it did exist

Nope. Because you prove the negative of an assertion.

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BeachDem  Sep 4, 2016 • 1:21:04pm

re: #279 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Why is this even a topic of discussion except for the fact that the Clinton Foundation has now become and object of RWNJ fixation now that Benghazi and E-mailgate have been all but retired?

And why are the same questions never asked about the skeevy Trump Foundation or the even more skeevy Eric Trump Foundation? Where there are documented issues of misappropriated funds, questionable contributions and on and on.

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Big Beautiful Door  Sep 4, 2016 • 1:21:37pm

re: #279 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Why is this even a topic of discussion except for the fact that the Clinton Foundation has now become and object of RWNJ fixation now that Benghazi and E-mailgate have been all but retired?

That’s it; Clinton has to be portrayed as a supervillain and everything she’s involved in must be nefarious, because Trump is near the ceiling of his support and can only win by tearing Clinton down.

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dangerman  Sep 4, 2016 • 1:23:25pm

re: #281 gwangung

Nope. Because you prove the negative of an assertion.

in case we’re not saying the same thing already:

said to anyone within 6 degrees of kevin bacon - (cause that ought to be close enough), “i just gave $1mxxx to the foundation….”

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Anymouse  Sep 4, 2016 • 1:23:54pm

re: #239 Big Beautiful Door

Well, he is right about that. The President shouldn’t have official ties with non-government organizations, even effective charitable ones.

But Okay for lesser officials?

re: #250 Backwoods_Sleuth

So, no President should be an active member of a church, a veterans’ organization, any charitable group at all. Ever.

When I had to fill out my state form when I was elected to my village board, I was required to disclose all direct financial arrangements that could impugn my position. That consisted of one: My wife was the library director, and in theory any vote on the library (particularly her hours or her pay) would be a financial benefit to me.

I was not required to disclose I am a member of the Disabled American Veterans, the Veterans of Foreign Wars, the Democratic Party, Gold Star Families, state board member of the Secular Coalition of America (I did resign anyway), or any other organisation.

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Patricia Kayden  Sep 4, 2016 • 1:24:08pm

re: #118 darthstar

It’s smart for Clinton to get him out there on her behalf. Bernie makes people feel good. National polls are tightening and we need some feel good in this campaign. In another week or two we’ll start to see Michelle Obama make appearances - that makes people feel good too. Then, when it’s time to sink the knife into her opponent, President Obama will make a few appearances.

And then we can focus on the important things in life, like how much we will loathe Republican obstructionism in the next four years.

I wish POTUS and FLOTUS would start campaigning for Clinton now. Not sure why they’re waiting. The national polls are way too close for comfort although Clinton most likely will still win.

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Big Beautiful Door  Sep 4, 2016 • 1:24:21pm

re: #176 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

ive been playing a little game with myself called Is There Any Other Politician In American History Who I Wouldnt Vote For If They Were Running Against Trump

so far all ive come up with is tailgunner joe maccarthy

David Duke.

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Big Beautiful Door  Sep 4, 2016 • 1:25:16pm

re: #177 Eclectic Cyborg

Nixon maybe? Or Rod Blagojevich?

Nope, they both beat Trump by a mile.

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dangerman  Sep 4, 2016 • 1:25:37pm

re: #282 BeachDem

And why are the same questions never asked about the skeevy Trump Foundation or the even more skeevy Eric Trump Foundation? Where there are documented issues of misappropriated funds, questionable contributions and on and on.

and actual point-to-able irs penalties paid. (in this particular case, that pretty much means they did it) not to mention which they admitted it and said it was an innocent error

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Anymouse  Sep 4, 2016 • 1:27:21pm

re: #287 Big Beautiful Door

David Duke.

George Wallace or Lester Maddox for former ones.

Pat McCrory or Robert Bentley or Greg Abbot or Rick Perry or Sarah Palin or Ted “Poutine” Cruz or Mike Huckabee or (the list goes way on for current or recent politicians)

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Big Beautiful Door  Sep 4, 2016 • 1:30:31pm

re: #204 sagehen

You mean like in 1992 and 1996? Bill Clinton pulled about 42% of the popular vote (because Ross Perot).

I think he means if the Republican actually got the most votes and lost, the way Gore out-polled Bush and lost in 2000.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 4, 2016 • 1:34:14pm

I just realized that the t-shirt I’m wearing right now is for a memorial run in memory of the 23-year-old son of friends of ours.
Chris died in Afghanistan in 2010.

I’m sure his parents are thrilled to learn that he died so keyboard warriors can decide who is and is not patriotic because of some song at sporting events.

*spit*

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ObserverArt  Sep 4, 2016 • 1:36:08pm

re: #246 Big Beautiful Door

I heard Todd ask Sanders the question, so he had to give some answer. Todd was pressing him to say the Clinton Foundation should be shut down.

That is exactly what happened. Todd doesn’t give damn about how good any of their work is, he has a theme to keep the horses racing and he is going to stick to it. Bernie is just not any good off the cuff. He is so one-track-minded he flails around if not prepared.

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ObserverArt  Sep 4, 2016 • 1:40:14pm

re: #264 BeachDem

And then there’s Ginni Thomas, wife of sitting Supreme, who has, during her husband’s tenure:

Worked for Dick Armey
Worked for the Heritage Foundation
Worked for Liberty Central, a group aimed at opposing what Thomas has called the leftist “tyranny” of President Barack Obama and Congressional Democrats and “protecting the core founding principles” of the nation
Headed Liberty Consultants, which touted her “experience and connections” to help “with “governmental affairs efforts” and political donation strategies.”
Key member of Groundswell, a coalition of right wing activists and journalists attempting to make political change behind the scenes through lobbying of high-level contacts.

Media outrage level—0.

She’s not running for president is she!?!

///

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nines09  Sep 4, 2016 • 1:44:08pm

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Sep 4, 2016 • 1:47:36pm

Someone posted this pic on a deleted message over at Wonkette.
So needless to say, it was a ripe target for memification…

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Ia! Ia! Trump Ftaghn! (née Sophist)  Sep 4, 2016 • 1:53:40pm

re: #293 ObserverArt

Bernie is just not any good off the cuff. He is so one-track-minded he flails around if not prepared.

But he’d totally be beating Trump by 20 points if $hillery hadn’t swindled him out of the nomination!

/////

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sagehen  Sep 4, 2016 • 1:57:50pm

re: #176 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

ive been playing a little game with myself called Is There Any Other Politician In American History Who I Wouldnt Vote For If They Were Running Against Trump

so far all ive come up with is tailgunner joe maccarthy

William Jennings Bryan.

All the racism and nativism, and three times as much religion.

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Decatur Deb  Sep 4, 2016 • 2:03:23pm

And Soledad says it out loud:

Soledad O’Brien eviscerates CNN: ‘You have normalized’ white supremacy with shoddy Trump reporting

rawstory.com

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Decatur Deb  Sep 4, 2016 • 2:06:14pm

Soledad:

“Now, it is ‘he said, she said’ all the time. We have lost context. We actually don’t even cover the details of something. We just cover the back and forth of it. It’s funny to watch if it weren’t our own country and our own government actually operating.”

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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 4, 2016 • 2:12:18pm

Hey we’re in Canada now!

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TedStriker  Sep 4, 2016 • 2:22:44pm

re: #277 Big Beautiful Door

By “official ties” I meant more than mere membership in a group. I think the President has more than enough to do as President. If she likes a charity, she can get involved in it again after her term of office is over.

You’re working from the faulty assumption that the GOPers and horse-race media is pushing that Hillary and Bill (and, most likely, Chelsea as well) weren’t already setting up arrangements for caretaker management of their foundation for as long as Hillary is President…just as was done when she was SoS, IIRC

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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 4, 2016 • 2:23:42pm

re: #301 The Vicious Babushka

Hey we’re in Canada now!

Nice! Treat my homeland well and enjoy the partial political sanity break.

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ObserverArt  Sep 4, 2016 • 2:28:51pm

re: #300 Decatur Deb

Soledad:

“Now, it is ‘he said, she said’ all the time. We have lost context. We actually don’t even cover the details of something. We just cover the back and forth of it. It’s funny to watch if it weren’t our own country and our own government actually operating.”

I sure hope Soledad has the standing to make these statements. /

Some of that article at Rawstory is making a familiar argument in the area we were discussing just one week ago about who is calling who what and how.

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Stanley Sea  Sep 4, 2016 • 2:29:57pm

Read this one

Reply
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jaunte  Sep 4, 2016 • 2:30:20pm

[This tweet has apparently been deleted.]

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jaunte  Sep 4, 2016 • 2:30:52pm
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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 4, 2016 • 2:34:31pm

re: #303 Eclectic Cyborg

Nice! Treat my homeland well and enjoy the partial political sanity break.

Our room at the Holiday Inn has a lovely view of the 401.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 4, 2016 • 2:42:30pm

re: #308 The Vicious Babushka

Ah yes, the worlds longest traffic jam/construction site!

I made every effort to avoid it on my last trip there and had a much more enjoyable trip as a result.

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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 4, 2016 • 3:13:41pm

re: #309 Eclectic Cyborg

Ah yes, the worlds longest traffic jam/construction site!

I made every effort to avoid it on my last trip there and had a much more enjoyable trip as a result.

It was actually open and problem free until we got to Mississauga, then it was a slow moving parking lot.

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Jebediah, RBG  Sep 4, 2016 • 3:38:07pm

re: #26 goddamnedfrank

Well done.

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Romantic Heretic  Sep 4, 2016 • 3:53:00pm

re: #232 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

The whole point of the upper-level GOP wingnut strategists (who do not believe in “unskewered” polling) is the HRC is gonna win lose and they have to everything in their power to make it look like she has no clear mandate, that she used fraud or nasssty trickstery to get elected and if she does they are therefore compelled to burn everything to the fuckin’ ground!

How the wingnuts see it.

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Romantic Heretic  Sep 4, 2016 • 4:04:00pm

re: #298 sagehen

William Jennings Bryan.

All the racism and nativism, and three times as much religion.

I read a biography of Clarence Darrow when I was a teenager. Of course it had a chapter on Scopes which contained information about Bryan.

Bryan was Secretary of State for a while. One of the professionals there said, “You could sail a clipper ship through his policies and never touch a single fact.”


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