Donald Trump’s Most Awful Moments in the “National Security” Forum

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UPDATE at 9/7/16 8:04:00 pm by Charles Johnson
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goddamnedfrank  Sep 7, 2016 • 7:52:30pm
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Charles Johnson  Sep 7, 2016 • 7:54:53pm
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jaunte  Sep 7, 2016 • 7:56:48pm
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teleskiguy  Sep 7, 2016 • 7:56:53pm

re: #2 Charles Johnson

Erudite rebuttal.

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Trumpia est omnis divisa in duo calathi(Sophist)  Sep 7, 2016 • 7:58:18pm

Jesus, what a shitshow. I’m glad I let y’all watch it for me.

Also, this has nothing to do with anything:

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Sep 7, 2016 • 7:58:44pm

re: #4 teleskiguy

That guy is a piece of human garbage, and needs to be treated as such.

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Big Beautiful Door  Sep 7, 2016 • 7:59:04pm

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It would’ve been nice if Matt Lauer had pointed out that Trump’s plan to build an empire of oil colonies violates international law and are war crimes we prosecuted, convicted and executed people for after WWII.

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teleskiguy  Sep 7, 2016 • 8:00:10pm

re: #6 Ziggy_TARDIS

I don’t give two shits about that Twitter account. I’ll treat it like I do all the other shitheads, block and move on.

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Belafon  Sep 7, 2016 • 8:01:11pm
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Belafon  Sep 7, 2016 • 8:02:28pm

I’m just going to put the Balloon Juice link to all of the collected tweets: balloon-juice.com.

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MsJ  Sep 7, 2016 • 8:04:29pm

re: #7 Big Beautiful Door

It would’ve been nice if Matt Lauer had pointed out that Trump’s plan to build an empire of oil colonies violates international law and are war crimes we prosecuted, convicted and executed people for after WWII.

You assume Lauer has a clue. I certainly saw little evidence of that.

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Big Beautiful Door  Sep 7, 2016 • 8:05:34pm

re: #11 MsJ

You assume Lauer has a clue. I certainly saw little evidence of that.

Neither did I.

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Trumpia est omnis divisa in duo calathi(Sophist)  Sep 7, 2016 • 8:05:34pm

So I, went up a mountain today,

Unfortunately, most of the views were obscured by the omnipresent coverage of Hillary’s emails. Or possibly a layer of low-lying clouds. It was definitely one of those two things.

Also, I shot a Warhol-esque 37 minute experimental film of the inside of my pocket with my phone, but I can’t share that, since I’m in negotiations with IFC.

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Charles Johnson  Sep 7, 2016 • 8:06:09pm
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Lidane  Sep 7, 2016 • 8:07:46pm
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Charles Johnson  Sep 7, 2016 • 8:08:07pm
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Jenner7  Sep 7, 2016 • 8:09:35pm

re: #14 Charles Johnson

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Lidane  Sep 7, 2016 • 8:09:55pm

I missed this shitshow because I was working late getting a client launched and running. Sounds like Trump was his usual fuckwit self.

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FormerDirtDart  Sep 7, 2016 • 8:10:32pm
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Big Beautiful Door  Sep 7, 2016 • 8:10:44pm

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Its almost like Clinton is running for President and Trump is a special needs student trying to obtain a GED. Exactly why doesn’t he need to meet the same standards as we expect from Clinton to hold the most powerful office in the world?

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MsJ  Sep 7, 2016 • 8:10:49pm

re: #18 Lidane

I missed this shitshow because I was working late getting a client launched and running. Sounds like Trump was his usual fuckwit self.

Lauer was worse.

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Belafon  Sep 7, 2016 • 8:10:56pm

re: #17 Jenner7

If I remember correctly, she didn’t actually follow his advice on how to hide the email server.

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Charles Johnson  Sep 7, 2016 • 8:11:07pm
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Belafon  Sep 7, 2016 • 8:11:53pm

re: #16 Charles Johnson

Just what I want from a president, clearing the low bar.

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Shiplord Kirel  Sep 7, 2016 • 8:13:08pm

“Take the oil”

I once heard someone, maybe Herman Wouk, characterize the WW-2 Axis as “a criminal conspiracy to loot the world.” Trump would seem to fit right in.

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jaunte  Sep 7, 2016 • 8:13:45pm
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Mattand  Sep 7, 2016 • 8:14:12pm

re: #16 Charles Johnson

I’m not saying Trump did particularly well tonight. Just that he had a lower bar to clear and less to lose.

This is part of the basis on how we’re choosing the leader of the fucking free world.

This is considered normal this time around.

This country is such an ulcer-inducing embarrassment at times.

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Lidane  Sep 7, 2016 • 8:15:21pm

Your librul media:

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Charles Johnson  Sep 7, 2016 • 8:16:40pm
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BeachDem  Sep 7, 2016 • 8:18:37pm

Since it was supposed to be about wars and veterans and all, why didn’t they ask him about his Vietnam deferments? Or about his comment about dating being his Vietnam? Or about what he said about John McCain or about Goldstar families, or about why he had to be shamed into ever giving the money he promised to the veterans’ groups or about the veterans’ groups that have said he stiffed them? Those would have all been appropriate questions on the topic.

And speaking of “optics” as the media love to—why does the graphic for this shitshow have Hillary behind Trump instead of them side by side?

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jaunte  Sep 7, 2016 • 8:21:51pm
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scottslemmons  Sep 7, 2016 • 8:22:05pm

I just want everyone to know that Wil Wheaton had the best goddamn burn on Chuck Todd:

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Of course, Chuck probably thinks it’s some kind of compliment.

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BeachDem  Sep 7, 2016 • 8:24:02pm

re: #24 Belafon

Just what I want from a president, clearing the low bar.

And he didn’t even clear it—he went under it. It’s like limbo politics—how low can you go. (Limbo lower now)

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 7, 2016 • 8:29:29pm

My personal low point is the ‘Take The Oil With Us’ exchange, because it exposes a depth of both ignorance and depravity that you don’t expect to find outside of Crazy Uncle Earl at Thanksgiving.

First, the oil fields are scattered all over the Eastern 1/2 of Iraq. His idea to ‘leave a certain group behind’ would require that ‘certain group’ to hold 1/2 of the country - the part that actually has people in it. We could let them have all the West, where nobody lives.

So, before we even get into the question of insurgency, we’re talking about a shit-ton of boots on the ground. FOREVER. But hey, let’s talk about insurgency. We had to deal with a bloody insurgency from the Sunnis because we’d put the Shiites in power. We occupy the country and take the oil, suddenly the Shiites and the Sunnis have a common enemy. And each side has a wealthy ally - Iran for the Shiites, and Saudi Arabia for the Sunnis. Pretty soon we’re losing people at a couple hundred a month, FOREVER.

Now let’s think what this does to our position in the world. Right now, by virtue of our military strength, we are the most dangerous country on the planet. But most countries don’t feel threatened because we DON’T take over countries and drain them of their natural resources after destroying their infrastructure, killing hundreds of thousands, and impoverishing millions. We start doing that, and pretty soon all the other countries stop allying with us, and start allying with each other AGAINST us.

Trump wants them to spend more on defense? You can just dambetcha they’ll start spending again!

All of this is pretty damned obvious, I think. I’m flabbergasted that 1/3 of the country listens to this shit and says, “FUCK YEAH!”

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Charles Johnson  Sep 7, 2016 • 8:30:07pm
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gwangung  Sep 7, 2016 • 8:36:14pm

re: #34 Blind Frog Belly White

My personal low point is the ‘Take The Oil With Us’ exchange, because it exposes a depth of both ignorance and depravity that you don’t expect to find outside of Crazy Uncle Earl at Thanksgiving.

First, the oil fields are scattered all over the Eastern 1/2 of Iraq. His idea to ‘leave a certain group behind’ would require that ‘certain group’ to hold 1/2 of the country - the part that actually has people in it. We could let them have all the West, where nobody lives.

So, before we even get into the question of insurgency, we’re talking about a shit-ton of boots on the ground. FOREVER. But hey, let’s talk about insurgency. We had to deal with a bloody insurgency from the Sunnis because we’d put the Shiites in power. We occupy the country and take the oil, suddenly the Shiites and the Sunnis have a common enemy. And each side has a wealthy ally - Iran for the Shiites, and Saudi Arabia for the Sunnis. Pretty soon we’re losing people at a couple hundred a month, FOREVER.

Now let’s think what this does to our position in the world. Right now, by virtue of our military strength, we are the most dangerous country on the planet. But most countries don’t feel threatened because we DON’T take over countries and drain them of their natural resources after destroying their infrastructure, killing hundreds of thousands, and impoverishing millions. We start doing that, and pretty soon all the other countries stop allying with us, and start allying with each other AGAINST us.

Trump wants them to spend more on defense? You can just dambetcha they’ll start spending again!

All of this is pretty damned obvious, I think. I’m flabbergasted that 1/3 of the country listens to this shit and says, “FUCK YEAH!”

Actually more like 45% and I’m not surprised they’d think it was a perfectly great idea….

All like a school yard bully pushing people around to get what they want.

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petesh  Sep 7, 2016 • 8:36:17pm

re: #34 Blind Frog Belly White

Yes. This “take the oil” bullshit is illegal, immoral, fattening, and not proper cross-examination. It’s prima facie evidence of either a serious mental condition requiring hospitalization or serious drug addiction requiring hospitalization.

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Dave In Austin  Sep 7, 2016 • 8:37:00pm
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Kragar  Sep 7, 2016 • 8:37:52pm
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goddamnedfrank  Sep 7, 2016 • 8:38:37pm
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Kragar  Sep 7, 2016 • 8:41:56pm
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mmmirele  Sep 7, 2016 • 8:42:22pm

Email sent to public@nytimes.com (the public editor). I cannot believe that Patrick Healy’s article for the Times doesn’t mention Trump’s praise of Putin.

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BeachDem  Sep 7, 2016 • 8:42:29pm

re: #34 Blind Frog Belly White

My personal low point is the ‘Take The Oil With Us’ exchange, because it exposes a depth of both ignorance and depravity that you don’t expect to find outside of Crazy Uncle Earl at Thanksgiving.

First, the oil fields are scattered all over the Eastern 1/2 of Iraq. His idea to ‘leave a certain group behind’ would require that ‘certain group’ to hold 1/2 of the country - the part that actually has people in it. We could let them have all the West, where nobody lives.

So, before we even get into the question of insurgency, we’re talking about a shit-ton of boots on the ground. FOREVER. But hey, let’s talk about insurgency. We had to deal with a bloody insurgency from the Sunnis because we’d put the Shiites in power. We occupy the country and take the oil, suddenly the Shiites and the Sunnis have a common enemy. And each side has a wealthy ally - Iran for the Shiites, and Saudi Arabia for the Sunnis. Pretty soon we’re losing people at a couple hundred a month, FOREVER.

Now let’s think what this does to our position in the world. Right now, by virtue of our military strength, we are the most dangerous country on the planet. But most countries don’t feel threatened because we DON’T take over countries and drain them of their natural resources after destroying their infrastructure, killing hundreds of thousands, and impoverishing millions. We start doing that, and pretty soon all the other countries stop allying with us, and start allying with each other AGAINST us.

Trump wants them to spend more on defense? You can just dambetcha they’ll start spending again!

All of this is pretty damned obvious, I think. I’m flabbergasted that 1/3 of the country listens to this shit and says, “FUCK YEAH!”

The amount of thought you put into this comment exceeds the thought Trump has devoted to all topics during his entire presidential escapade by a metric shit-ton.

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teleskiguy  Sep 7, 2016 • 8:43:11pm

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Kragar  Sep 7, 2016 • 8:52:10pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 7, 2016 • 8:57:38pm

I have a journalism degree and while I once had dreams of becoming a political correspondent, I no longer do.

I am starting to loathe the industry more each day.

Instead I am focused on writing novels and essays.

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Charles Johnson  Sep 7, 2016 • 9:00:00pm
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Charles Johnson  Sep 7, 2016 • 9:01:43pm
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blueraven  Sep 7, 2016 • 9:04:45pm

Charles, you will be happy to hear that Montel Williams called out Trump on MSNBC for advocating war crimes, re “taking the oil”.

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BeachDem  Sep 7, 2016 • 9:08:54pm

re: #46 Eclectic Cyborg

I have a journalism degree and while I once had dreams of becoming a political correspondent, I no longer do.

I am starting to loathe the industry more each day.

Instead I am focused on writing novels and essays.

I applied my journalism education to what I consider the more honorable profession of advertising/marketing.

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geoduck  Sep 7, 2016 • 9:12:12pm

re: #42 mmmirele

Email sent to public@nytimes.com (the public editor). I cannot believe that Patrick Healy’s article for the Times doesn’t mention Trump’s praise of Putin.

Maybe it got edited, but the version currently up does mention this:

“He was especially insistent in defending his praise of the Russian president, Vladimir V. Putin, arguing that Mr. Putin had “an 82 percent approval rating” in his country.”

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Sep 7, 2016 • 9:12:29pm

It apppears the Suicide Caucus has their Suicide Candidate. The scary part is our election system is just fucked up enough that he could actually win.

The UK had their Brexit-but Donald Trump has ‘Wrecks-it’ written all over him-and the second someone tells him ‘no’-stand back.

It almost seems like the media secrectly wants Trump to win, not realizing the the devil you know (Clinton) is actually better than friend you don’t (Trump). Trump has made it perfectly clear that he’d dial back libel laws and in all likelihood go after unkind reporters and leakers that makes the Obama administration’s pursuit of leaker’s look tame by comparison.

Quite frankly, after this election is over, I think its time for all of the major news outlets to lose their over-the-air FCC licenses for the malfeasence they have been showing (then again, maybe that’s been their plan all along….)

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allegro  Sep 7, 2016 • 9:15:14pm

re: #51 geoduck

Maybe it got edited, but the version currently up does mention this:

“He was especially insistent in defending his praise of the Russian president, Vladimir V. Putin, arguing that Mr. Putin had “an 82 percent approval rating” in his country.”

The other 18% are in hiding.

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Targetpractice  Sep 7, 2016 • 9:15:41pm

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It’s funny, but I could swear I remember the last two presidential elections being dominated by A) insistence that the job of the president was not “OJT” and you had to have some foreign policy experience before you took it and B) that that lack of experience was why we were having so many problems on the world stage.

But you know, the GOP would never engage in hypocrisy with the help of the media…

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goddamnedfrank  Sep 7, 2016 • 9:17:31pm
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goddamnedfrank  Sep 7, 2016 • 9:18:03pm
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Targetpractice  Sep 7, 2016 • 9:18:53pm

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Hence why I have absolutely no faith whatsoever in the media treating the debates as anything but a popularity contest where Hillary comes off either as “cold and distant” or “mean and angry,” while Trump is spun as “warm and friendly” or “forceful and energetic.”

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Anymouse  Sep 7, 2016 • 9:20:37pm

Ranch Stupidian trial in Oregon starts with motions that the defendants should be allowed to wear cowboy boots in the courtroom, and a pile of sovereign citizen derp:
wonkette.com

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Interesting Times  Sep 7, 2016 • 9:21:27pm

re: #54 Targetpractice

It’s funny, but I could swear I remember the last two presidential elections being dominated by A) insistence that the job of the president was not “OJT” and you had to have some foreign policy experience before you took it and B) that that lack of experience was why we were having so many problems on the world stage.

Indeed. Remember this moldy oldie from 2008?

John McCain Celebrity Ad - Feat. Paris Hilton

Good times.

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KGxvi  Sep 7, 2016 • 9:21:47pm

Setting aside the legal, moral, and logistical questions of “taking the oil”, how exactly is depriving a people of their one valuable resource going to stop extremism? Isn’t that more a recipe for fomenting more extremism?

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teleskiguy  Sep 7, 2016 • 9:24:19pm

re: #60 KGxvi

Setting aside the legal, moral, and logistical questions of “taking the oil”, how exactly is depriving a people of their one valuable resource going to stop extremism? Isn’t that more a recipe for fomenting more extremism?

The Donald™ doesn’t know any of that. He doesn’t even read books. He gets all his news from television. His worldview is a horrible case of tunnel vision, a vision that is The Donald™ being the best at everything, tremendous, buhlieve me.

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Targetpractice  Sep 7, 2016 • 9:25:25pm

This is modern American politics folks, this is why it’s so rightly criticized as a popularity contest. The media is going “Yeah, Trump has absolutely no understanding of foreign policy and lacks the common sense God gave the lemming, but Hillary doesn’t smile enough so both candidates are bad.”

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teleskiguy  Sep 7, 2016 • 9:28:04pm

I agree with Gus.

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Interesting Times  Sep 7, 2016 • 9:32:30pm

re: #63 teleskiguy

I agree with Gus.

Same here. Sometimes I think Nov 8 can’t get here fast enough, and other times, I absolutely dread it because then I’ll know for sure how many Americans are:

a) bigots
b) misogynists
c) morons
d) willfully stupid/ignorant
e) sociopaths

…or some combination/permutation of all the above.

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MsJ  Sep 7, 2016 • 9:38:03pm

re: #61 teleskiguy

The Donald™ doesn’t know any of that. He doesn’t even read books. He gets all his news from television. His worldview is a horrible case of tunnel vision, a vision that is The Donald™ being the best at everything, tremendous, buhlieve me.

Everything trump is and has any concerns about is personality; polls, ratings and the like. His entire world view is based on that. Even what he said about Putin was about his approval rating. He has no other sense of world affairs beyond Nielson level statistics.

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Targetpractice  Sep 7, 2016 • 9:39:11pm

The audience was giving Trump softball questions, Lauer was taking it easy on him, and yet Trump still managed to make himself look like a complete idiot. But he’s “not a politician,” so we can just grade on a very forgiving curve.

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goddamnedfrank  Sep 7, 2016 • 9:39:43pm
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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Sep 7, 2016 • 9:41:38pm

re: #64 Interesting Times

Same here. Sometimes I think Nov 8 can’t get here fast enough, and other times, I absolutely dread it because then I’ll know for sure how many Americans are:

a) bigots
b) misogynists
c) morons
d) willfully stupid/ignorant
e) sociopaths

…or some combination/permutation of all the above.

This weekend I talked to a very nice Scottish woman who now lives up in Toronto.

She graciously offered to adopt me if Trump wins.

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teleskiguy  Sep 7, 2016 • 9:43:42pm

This fucking guy.

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Stanley Sea  Sep 7, 2016 • 9:44:09pm

re: #68 klys (maker of Silmarils)

This weekend I talked to a very nice Scottish woman who now lives up in Toronto.

She graciously offered to adopt me if Trump wins.

I just booked airbnb for my bday. My plan is to go for extreme relax the 4 days before the election. I wish I could go now & just disengage for 2 mo. This is brutal & it’s only going to get worse.

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Jebediah, RBG  Sep 7, 2016 • 9:44:17pm

re: #20 Big Beautiful Door

Ex-fucking-zactly. Nobody gets to have training wheels as President.

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Stanley Sea  Sep 7, 2016 • 9:45:33pm

re: #71 Jebediah, RBG

Ex-fucking-zactly. Nobody gets to have training wheels as President.

It used to be that way………………

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goddamnedfrank  Sep 7, 2016 • 9:46:57pm
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goddamnedfrank  Sep 7, 2016 • 9:47:47pm

re: #70 Stanley Sea

I just booked airbnb for my bday. My plan is to go for extreme relax the 4 days before the election. I wish I could go now & just disengage for 2 mo. This is brutal & it’s only going to get worse.

Smart!

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Sep 7, 2016 • 9:51:54pm

re: #70 Stanley Sea

I just booked airbnb for my bday. My plan is to go for extreme relax the 4 days before the election. I wish I could go now & just disengage for 2 mo. This is brutal & it’s only going to get worse.

My disengagement will be teaching and preparing for teaching. I won’t be able to really check on the elections until Wednesday evening my time (Wednesday morning in the USA). I’ll be getting emails from the WaPo and NY Times, though, so I’ll have some idea whether I should just avoid the USA for the next four years or not.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Sep 7, 2016 • 9:53:47pm

re: #70 Stanley Sea

I just booked airbnb for my bday. My plan is to go for extreme relax the 4 days before the election. I wish I could go now & just disengage for 2 mo. This is brutal & it’s only going to get worse.

We’re doing Japan for pretty much the two weeks leading up to the election. Get back home the Sunday before.

I mean, I love you guys but there’s just no comparison. I’m going to enjoy my sanity over there. Feel free to follow me on Twitter for gratuitous pictures though.

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Targetpractice  Sep 7, 2016 • 9:54:23pm

The Trump who yesterday tried a pretty blatant attempt at spinning himself as being more “anti-war” than Hillary is the same one who tonight effectively called for a perpetual occupation of half of Iraq.

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teleskiguy  Sep 7, 2016 • 9:55:45pm

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TedStriker  Sep 7, 2016 • 9:55:45pm

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Stanley Sea  Sep 7, 2016 • 9:56:49pm

re: #74 goddamnedfrank

Smart!

There’s wifi. :(

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BeachDem  Sep 7, 2016 • 9:57:36pm

re: #56 goddamnedfrank

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What’s even more incredulous is that Healey’s article has already been revised to include the Putin line, which is missing from his first version (and which about every other commenter to the article pointed out.) Suddenly, it’s there—with no indication of the article being updated. What a crock.

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goddamnedfrank  Sep 7, 2016 • 9:59:49pm

My election pre-funk plans are a bit more, how should I put it, contingency oriented. I’ve pretty much got my Pilot set up for End of the World mode: fridge / freezer, deployable solar panels, all that good shit.

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goddamnedfrank  Sep 7, 2016 • 10:02:36pm

re: #82 goddamnedfrank

I’m basically ready now to drive down to the Salton Sea and live among the mutants.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Sep 7, 2016 • 10:03:02pm

re: #83 goddamnedfrank

I’m basically ready now to drive down to the Salton Sea and live among the mutants.

Will be some fantastic scenery, though.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Sep 7, 2016 • 10:06:25pm

re: #76 klys (maker of Silmarils)

We’re doing Japan for pretty much the two weeks leading up to the election. Get back home the Sunday before.

I mean, I love you guys but there’s just no comparison. I’m going to enjoy my sanity over there. Feel free to follow me on Twitter for gratuitous pictures though.

Very cool! My son and I are talking about visiting Japan during my winter break (Jan-Feb). It’ll be cold, but fun.

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goddamnedfrank  Sep 7, 2016 • 10:06:51pm

The grill bridge for my Snow Peak Pack and Carry Fireplace finally came today, so now I can grill random critters in style using the decrepit remains of our dying civilization as fuel.

Good times.

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William Lewis  Sep 7, 2016 • 10:13:59pm

re: #85 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

That’s a great time to visit the hot spring baths in the mountains. I forget where it was but a good trip on a fast train and the the joy of hot water with snow falling :)

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Anymouse  Sep 7, 2016 • 10:15:38pm

re: #82 goddamnedfrank

My election pre-funk plans are a bit more, how should I put it, contingency oriented. I’ve pretty much got my Pilot set up for End of the World mode: fridge / freezer, deployable solar panels, all that good shit.

My pre-election plans mostly consist of preparing for a trip to Saskatchewan on November 9, in the event of a certain electoral outcome. I just hope Canada lets me in before they build a wall and makes the USA pay for it.

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goddamnedfrank  Sep 7, 2016 • 10:23:02pm
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Targetpractice  Sep 7, 2016 • 10:25:33pm

I really am finding it impossible for candidate Obama to have said even half the shit in ‘08 that Trump said tonight and not having been immediately hounded out of the election. Saying that the generals thought that Bush was a mess? Praising Putin? That he’d fire all the current generals and appoint new ones? The GOP would have had a field day depicting him as dangerously unprepared compared to McCain. Oh hell, who am I kidding, they did try to argue that, but Obama was never so stupid as to hand them the evidence on a silver platter.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Sep 7, 2016 • 10:31:35pm

re: #85 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Very cool! My son and I are talking about visiting Japan during my winter break (Jan-Feb). It’ll be cold, but fun.

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BeachDem  Sep 7, 2016 • 10:33:23pm

Just sent Hillary another 50 bucks tonight—after what she went through, she deserved it.

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William Lewis  Sep 7, 2016 • 10:34:49pm

re: #89 goddamnedfrank

Love that image. Suits my mood as well.

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Stanley Sea  Sep 7, 2016 • 10:35:10pm

re: #92 BeachDem

Just sent Hillary another 50 bucks tonight—after what she went through, she deserved it.

I did 10! With her.

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Stanley Sea  Sep 7, 2016 • 10:35:40pm

Nighty all

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blueraven  Sep 7, 2016 • 10:36:31pm

re: #81 BeachDem

What’s even more incredulous is that Healey’s article has already been revised to include the Putin line, which is missing from his first version (and which about every other commenter to the article pointed out.) Suddenly, it’s there—with no indication of the article being updated. What a crock.

Yep, they edited it again. WTF? This needs to be all over cable news tomorrow. Call them out.

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BeachDem  Sep 7, 2016 • 10:36:55pm

re: #94 Stanley Sea

I did 10! With her.

Me too—(I had a good month last month, so I was feeling generous!)

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Targetpractice  Sep 7, 2016 • 10:38:49pm

re: #96 blueraven

Yep, they edited it again. WTF? This needs to be all over cable news tomorrow. Call them out.

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BeachDem  Sep 7, 2016 • 10:44:09pm

re: #96 blueraven

Yep, they edited it again. WTF? This needs to be all over cable news tomorrow. Call them out.

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Unfuckingbelievable—that is total crap—and when I looked at it—the Healey story, it didn’t have any “this story has been updated” either.

I do love that NewsDiff site—need to bookmark it.

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meteor  Sep 7, 2016 • 10:51:54pm

re: #68 klys (maker of Silmarils)

This weekend I talked to a very nice Scottish woman who now lives up in Toronto.

She graciously offered to adopt me if Trump wins.

Can I go too?

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Sep 7, 2016 • 10:53:03pm

re: #91 klys (maker of Silmarils)

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Sep 7, 2016 • 10:55:40pm

re: #87 William Lewis

That’s a great time to visit the hot spring baths in the mountains. I forget where it was but a good trip on a fast train and the the joy of hot water with snow falling :)

One of the items on my bucket list :D

Our itinerary all hinges on his days off. He’s not a teacher, so his vacation days are limited. But of course I could stay longer on my own.

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Single-handed sailor  Sep 7, 2016 • 11:03:34pm

The U.S. Geological Survey is updating the official magnitude of the September 3, 2016 Pawnee, Oklahoma earthquake to Mw 5.8 (from 5.6), making it Oklahoma’s largest recorded earthquake to date.

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retired cynic  Sep 7, 2016 • 11:06:50pm

re: #103 Single-handed sailor

The U.S. Geological Survey is updating the official magnitude of the September 3, 2016 Pawnee, Oklahoma earthquake to Mw 5.8 (from 5.6), making it Oklahoma’s largest recorded earthquake to date.

If some of those loosen the New Madrid fault, a lot of somebody are gonna be in a world of hurt, and insurance companies will be looking for someone to blame it on.

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Anymouse  Sep 7, 2016 • 11:08:23pm

re: #104 retired cynic

If some of those loosen the New Madrid fault, a lot of somebody are gonna be in a world of hurt, and insurance companies will be looking for someone to blame it on.

Nope. “Act of God. Do not pass Go, do not collect $200.” Insurance companies keep money.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Sep 7, 2016 • 11:12:42pm

re: #105 Anymouse

Nope. “Act of God. Do not pass Go, do not collect $200.” Insurance companies keep money.

CA at least has a state sponsored earthquake insurance fund.

We don’t necessarily expect to get an awful lot out of it in the case that a really big one hits, but we pay our premium all the same.

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austin_blue  Sep 7, 2016 • 11:19:19pm

People over at the house tonight for a proper sit down dinner, so now checking in.

Can anyone give me a scratch graph?

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Targetpractice  Sep 7, 2016 • 11:25:46pm

re: #107 austin_blue

People over at the house tonight for a proper sit down dinner, so now checking in.

Can anyone give me a scratch graph?

Trump praises Putin, says intel people think President is a mess, is going to fire all the generals and appoint new ones, thinks we could have prevented IS by taking all of Iraq’s oil with us, lied about his support for Iraq and Libya, and insists he was right when saying that rape epidemic in military is the result of letting women serve…but media praises him for getting over the bar that was lowered all the way to the floor.

Meanwhile, Hillary got peppered with hostile questions while the moderator kept interrupting her and asking numerous followup questions, almost all about the damned emails, and the media’s response is that she’s “defensive.”

Oh, and both were “as bad” because Trump’s whoppers were balanced out by Hillary not smiling enough.

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retired cynic  Sep 7, 2016 • 11:28:37pm

re: #108 Targetpractice

Good summary! Add that the NYT messed up their coverage, and redid their story several times without pointing out that they were editing.

Oh, and Trump thought we ought to have military courts, having missed that point when he was fighting in the Vietnamese War.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Sep 7, 2016 • 11:32:21pm

re: #104 retired cynic

If some of those loosen the New Madrid fault, a lot of somebody are gonna be in a world of hurt, and insurance companies will be looking for someone to blame it on.

Back in the mid-80s, I think the New Madrid gave forth a tremor. I was sitting at the dining table in Louisville, KY, when the entire house shook. Lasted about 30 seconds. No damage, just vibration.

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retired cynic  Sep 7, 2016 • 11:33:32pm

re: #110 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Back in the mid-80s, I think the New Madrid gave forth a tremor. I was sitting at the dining table in Louisville, KY, when the entire house shook. Lasted about 30 seconds. No damage, just vibration.

There was one in the early 70s. It was felt up in the west central bulge of Illinois.

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Targetpractice  Sep 7, 2016 • 11:34:20pm

Another thing about the Putin worship by Trump: Anybody remember when a guy who claimed that he’d been “reelected” by almost 100% of the people was not a sign of his being an awesome and great leader, but that he was a tyrannical dictator who used his almost total control over the country to ensure that anybody who voted against him would face a gruesome death?

Or did that go down the same memory hole that most of the media’s Iraq War coverage went down?

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retired cynic  Sep 7, 2016 • 11:35:01pm

re: #112 Targetpractice

… Or did that go down the same memory hole that most of the media’s Iraq War lies went down?

Totally.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Sep 7, 2016 • 11:35:06pm

re: #109 retired cynic

Good summary! Add that the NYT messed up their coverage, and redid their story several times without pointing out that they were editing.

Oh, and Trump thought we ought to have military courts, having missed that point when he was fighting in the Vietnamese War.

I gather he doesn’t watch much TV or movies, then. JAG, the various flavors of NCIS and A Few Good Men all depend on the idea of a military justice system.

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retired cynic  Sep 7, 2016 • 11:37:47pm

re: #114 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

I gather he doesn’t watch much TV or movies, then. JAG, the various flavors of NCIS and A Few Good Men all depend on the idea of a military justice system.

If he’s not on the program, what good is it to him?

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retired cynic  Sep 7, 2016 • 11:41:25pm

Lord, it’s almost 2 here. How did that happen? Heading out!

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Kragar  Sep 7, 2016 • 11:45:51pm
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piratedan  Sep 8, 2016 • 12:05:16am

is fast approaching the desire to see a no fucks to give Hillary…

1) e-mails… I was exonerated, did you even read the fucking e-mails? It’s right there where I solicited Colin Powell, he told me what he had done. This is after the NSA told me I wasn’t important enough for special handling. Have you guys even paid attention or are you simply adolescents repeating the same thing over and over to get a rise out of me?

2) Clinton Foundation - we do a lot of good work, we don’t run it dishonestly. You want a scandal, see how my opponent uses his…. and then get back to me.

3) Bill’s pay - important people want to be associated with popular successful presidents. Bill got paid. People wanted me to give speeches. I got paid. Don’t you demand to get paid for the work that you do?

4) and one more thing…tell Andrea Mitchell to retire

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Targetpractice  Sep 8, 2016 • 12:22:08am

re: #118 piratedan

is fast approaching the desire to see a no fucks to give Hillary…

1) e-mails… I was exonerated, did you even read the fucking e-mails? It’s right there where I solicited Colin Powell, he told me what he had done. This is after the NSA told me I wasn’t important enough for special handling. Have you guys even paid attention or are you simply adolescents repeating the same thing over and over to get a rise out of me?

2) Clinton Foundation - we do a lot of good work, we don’t run it dishonestly. You want a scandal, see how my opponent uses his…. and then get back to me.

3) Bill’s pay - important people want to be associated with popular successful presidents. Bill got paid. People wanted me to give speeches. I got paid. Don’t you demand to get paid for the work that you do?

4) and one more thing…tell Andrea Mitchell to retire

Only change I’d make to the email section is “The same report that exonerated me made it clear that the question about classified emails would have been an issue even if I’d used a government ID, so drop this shit about a private server being a disqualifying offense.” Or, shorter and sweeter: “Nobody gives a shit about those damned emails but you!”

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 8, 2016 • 12:41:11am

re: #60 KGxvi

Setting aside the legal, moral, and logistical questions of “taking the oil”, how exactly is depriving a people of their one valuable resource going to stop extremism? Isn’t that more a recipe for fomenting more extremism?

It is what his supporters want him to do, and the ultimate American Solution: coming and taking it!!!

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teleskiguy  Sep 8, 2016 • 12:46:31am

Antenna (Beat by Tony Stone feat. Speech & Nehemiah Booker)

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 8, 2016 • 12:57:53am

I don’t know why, but I have started to resign myself to the Coming of the Idiocracy.

Maybe not this election, although Hillary is one natural disaster/Wikileaks “scandal” away from losing her lead, but the seeds of Stupidity are planted, the outrageous shit that is discussed and debated in a matter-of-fact way is so extreme that the way is paved for the next Idiocrat to take power in the next election.

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Anymouse  Sep 8, 2016 • 1:12:43am

re: #122 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I don’t know why, but I have started to resign myself to the Coming of the Idiocracy.

Maybe not this election, although Hillary is one natural disaster/Wikileaks “scandal” away from losing her lead, but the seeds of Stupidity are planted, the outrageous shit that is discussed and debated in a matter-of-fact way is so extreme that the way is paved for the next Idiocrat to take power in the next election.

There has always been a streak of anti-intellectualism in the United States. Sometimes the anti-intellectuals manage to get elected (Ronald Reagan, George W Bush, &c).

The so-called alt-right is no more alternative than they were during George Wallace’s run for president, when his Youth for Wallace group became the neo-Nazi National Alliance afterwards.

When Trump is handed his hat in the election, they will go on to support the next anti-intellectual candidate that comes along.

Things such as free speech and gun rights in the Bill of Rights were liberal intellectual positions when they were written. There was plenty of anti-intellectual opposition to that then.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 8, 2016 • 1:19:10am

re: #123 Anymouse

There has always been a streak of anti-intellectualism in the United States. Sometimes the anti-intellectuals manage to get elected (Ronald Reagan, George W Bush, &c).

I believe it is based on a certain inferiority complex we had regarding Europe: that we were not as culturally or technically advanced, but somehow morally superior.

And that is an attitude we get from a lot of “conservative” politicians and pundits: we don’t need science or education, we need (their narrow-minded, fundamentalist interpretation of ) Biblical Scripture!!!

And there are plenty of cynical assholes who know exactly how to manipulate this sentiment.

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freetoken  Sep 8, 2016 • 1:32:45am

Worth the read:

Science journals: The worlds of H. G. Wells

Owing, in part, to his own escape from apprenticeship into an intellectual life, Wells was driven by the conviction that education was paramount to clear thinking and efficient, happy lives. Even his most fantastic, futuristic writings contained lessons for the present, intended to lead to a more utopian ordering of the world. A lecture to the Royal Institution of Great Britain, published as ‘The Discovery of the Future’ (Nature 65, 326-331; 1902), offers a window on the development of these ideas, arguing for the importance of conscious forward-thinking:

 We travel on roads so narrow that they suffocate our traffic; we live in uncomfortable,
 inconvenient, life-wasting houses out of a love of familiar shapes and familiar customs
 and a dread of strangeness; all our public affairs are cramped by local boundaries impossibly
 restricted and small. Our clothing, our habits of speech, our spelling, our weights and
 measures, our coinage, our religious and political theories, all witness to the binding power
 of the past upon our minds.

H.G. Wells is the anti-Drumpfskind.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 8, 2016 • 1:34:40am

Past does not have to be a binding power, it can be a basis for future advances, but too many of us long for a “past” that exists only in our rose-tinted childhood memories.

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Anymouse  Sep 8, 2016 • 1:47:34am

DOJ files suit against Texas for violating the agreement on its voter suppression law.

Essentially, the courts found that Texas must permit votes (not provisional ones) for people who cannot reasonably obtain the required forms of ID.

Texas voting training materials and such seem to state that they have to comply with the ruling when the voter cannot obtain ID, a distinctly different standard than what the courts ordered.

Think Progress breaks down the suit by the Department of Justice above:
thinkprogress.org

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 8, 2016 • 1:51:13am

From newsmax: Ted Nugent: Trump Represents Earning Your Own Way, Hillary, Blood Suckers

Because nothing exemplifies “earning your own way” more than inheriting $100 million from your old man, right?

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Anymouse  Sep 8, 2016 • 2:18:37am

It would appear that Ivanka Trump is now also embroiled in the bribery scandal surrounding Trump University and Florida Attorney General Pam Bondi:

democraticunderground.com

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 8, 2016 • 2:44:37am

re: #129 Anymouse

It would appear that Ivanka Trump is now also embroiled in the bribery scandal surrounding Trump University and Florida Attorney General Pam Bondi:

democraticunderground.com

Stop persecuting Trump and get back to BENGHAZIMAILFOUNDATIONCOUGHGATE!

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Timothy Watson  Sep 8, 2016 • 3:41:21am

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Anymouse  Sep 8, 2016 • 3:56:46am

Huffington Post has an article about another library wanting to send out collection agents, cops, courts, and jails for overdue books. Not surprising in a red state.

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One of the best ways I can think of to kill libraries is to make people afraid to use them.

In the article, they note a little-known ordinance in the city that allows this.

In my own village, we had a similar ordinance. (Our public library is directly owned by the town, not run by a non-profit as many are.) Actually, we had a bunch of them.

I got with the library board (which is nominally in charge of running the library, and is appointed by the village board) to note that we had a bunch of out-of-date ordinances that were actually harmful to running a library. They agreed when I showed them laws going back to the Thirties noting such things as “a library patron will be charged $2 for a lost book.”

I brought up at a village board meeting the problem with these old, outdated village ordinances, and the board put me on the problem of finding them to put to it the next month for discussion. (You found it, you fix it.)

I did that. At the next village board meeting, I presented two resolutions: One to strike out the entire section of the village ordinances pertaining to the library (other than the parts pertaining to the village board appointing library board members), and a new ordinance making the library board responsible for library rules (previously they had to be passed as ordinances), employee pay (the village budgets the library but the library board would determine how that money is spent), and a technological plan for computer security.

In one swoop, over 120 ordinances accumulated over eighty-five years were stuck down on a 5-0 vote.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 8, 2016 • 4:13:21am

re: #132 Anymouse

Huffington Post has an article about another library wanting to send out collection agents, cops, courts, and jails for overdue books. Not surprising in a red state.

Now, in another similar article, it did mention that legal measures were seen as a last resort after all other attempts to recover materials had failed.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Sep 8, 2016 • 4:29:39am

re: #132 Anymouse

State legislatures need to do similar housecleaning, but for some reason the process takes considerably longer. Kentucky officials still have to swear they have never participated in nor assisted in a duel.

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William Lewis  Sep 8, 2016 • 4:30:37am

Oh, hell yes this is funny!

Lauer’s incompetence is the subject of a BBC (!) News story.

US election 2016: Forum moderator Lauer suffers media backlash

There’s an old adage in sport that the best referees are the ones that go largely unseen.
Judging by US media reaction, NBC moderator Matt Lauer stomped around Wednesday’s Trump-Clinton forum with a foghorn for a whistle.
It certainly takes some performance to find yourself in as many headlines as Donald Trump.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 8, 2016 • 4:39:32am

re: #134 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

State legislatures need to do similar housecleaning, but for some reason the process takes considerably longer. Kentucky officials still have to swear they have never participated in nor assisted in a duel.

I think my hometown still has legislation making it illegal to board a streetcar within an hour after eating garlic.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Sep 8, 2016 • 4:40:32am

re: #136 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I think my hometown still has legislation making it illegal to board a streetcar within an hour after eating garlic.

But it was OK to wear an onion on your belt, right?

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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 8, 2016 • 4:55:58am

The candidate who is Dumber Than Trump==>

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Timothy Watson  Sep 8, 2016 • 4:58:04am

re: #138 The Vicious Babushka

The candidate who is Dumber Than Trump==>

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Has she been arrested yet?

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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 8, 2016 • 4:59:00am

re: #139 Timothy Watson

Has she been arrested yet?

I think she was.

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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 8, 2016 • 5:00:39am

Here is another candidate who is Stupider Than Trump==>

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 8, 2016 • 5:01:59am

re: #141 The Vicious Babushka

What would you do, if you were elected, about Aleppo? @Gov Gary Johnson: And what is Aleppo?

I think he was the sixth Marx brother…

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Timothy Watson  Sep 8, 2016 • 5:02:57am

re: #141 The Vicious Babushka

Here is another candidate who is Stupider Than Trump==>

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Le Lapin Tueur  Sep 8, 2016 • 5:04:39am

Ok, from a RawStory post on Matt “I’m a not a Journalist” Lauer on what a doucecanoe he is

Today Show host Matt Lauer was pilloried on social media on Wednesday night for his line of questioning toward former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton during an NBC event hosted by a veterans group.

we also get:

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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 8, 2016 • 5:06:28am

Damn it, John Cole

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Sep 8, 2016 • 5:07:33am

re: #142 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I think he was the sixth Marx brother…

Nah. I think Aleppo was an also-ran in the Kentucky Derby.

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dangerman  Sep 8, 2016 • 5:10:15am

re: #138 The Vicious Babushka

The candidate who is Dumber Than Trump==>

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“arrest her”. oh, wait, they are going to.

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lawhawk  Sep 8, 2016 • 5:13:25am

re: #19 FormerDirtDart

Every time Trump opens his yapper, he exposes yet another knowledge gap, fundamental misunderstanding about the world, or cites empty platitudes designed to get his supporters to follow him wherever he leads like the Pied Piper of pugnacious perfidy we all know he is.

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Patricia Kayden  Sep 8, 2016 • 5:14:22am

re: #127 Anymouse

This is very important given that a few polls show that Texas could swing for Clinton in November. Republicans are desperate to play their dirty voter suppression tricks to keep the state red. Good for DOJ.

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lawhawk  Sep 8, 2016 • 5:14:35am

re: #143 Timothy Watson

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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 8, 2016 • 5:15:29am
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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 8, 2016 • 5:15:51am

The media wants Trump to win. Un-freaking-believable.

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b.d.  Sep 8, 2016 • 5:17:49am
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wingnut made a funny

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 8, 2016 • 5:18:58am

re: #149 lawhawk

Every time Trump opens his yapper, he exposes yet another knowledge gap, fundamental misunderstanding about the world, or cites empty platitudes designed to get his supporters to follow him wherever he leads like the Pied Piper of pugnacious perfidy we all know he is.

Feature, not a bug. That is why his supporters like him and identify with him.

These are people who are tired of politicians and politics as usual. They hate the GOP nearly as much as they hate the Democrats, and are voting Trump to spite both.

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Anymouse  Sep 8, 2016 • 5:19:10am

re: #134 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

State legislatures need to do similar housecleaning, but for some reason the process takes considerably longer. Kentucky officials still have to swear they have never participated in nor assisted in a duel.

If you are trying to promote your political career, it is not sexy to strike down old ordinances, it is much sexier to do something new.

In my village I mostly have a reputation on the board of trying to clean up and streamline how our village government runs. (The only major ordinance that I pressed for was a significant pay rise a few months ago for village employees, which passed after a lot of heated debate.)

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 8, 2016 • 5:20:14am

re: #153 The Vicious Babushka

The media wants Trump to win. Un-freaking-believable.

They don’t necessarily want him to win, they just want him to be competitive.

And that is more important to them than the consequences of him winning…

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Timothy Watson  Sep 8, 2016 • 5:20:32am

Passive-aggressive crybabies are going to be passive-aggressive crybabies:

The Washington Spirit prevented Seattle midfielder Megan Rapinoe from kneeling again during the national anthem by altering its pregame ceremonies rather than “subject our fans and friends to the disrespect we feel such an act would represent.”

The National Women’s Soccer League team moved up the anthem, playing it while the teams were off the field at the Maryland SoccerPlex.

wtop.com

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 8, 2016 • 5:22:26am

re: #158 Timothy Watson

Passive-aggressive crybabies are going to be passive-aggressive crybabies:

wtop.com

Kneeling during the national anthem? I though Tim Tebow was the one they had the kneeling problem with…

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I Would Prefer Not To  Sep 8, 2016 • 5:26:53am

re: #60 KGxvi

Setting aside the legal, moral, and logistical questions of “taking the oil”, how exactly is depriving a people of their one valuable resource going to stop extremism? Isn’t that more a recipe for fomenting more extremism?

See Germany after WWI.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 8, 2016 • 5:28:16am

re: #160 I Would Prefer Not To

See Germany after WWI.

Short-sighted solutions that fit well into a sound byte. Not that a President Trump would be able to do so even if he tried.

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Anymouse  Sep 8, 2016 • 5:30:02am

re: #158 Timothy Watson

Passive-aggressive crybabies are going to be passive-aggressive crybabies:

wtop.com

So, because they object to a single player’s silent-but-visible protest, they will punish both teams’ players who might want to stand for the National Anthem.

It would be poetic justice if the other players who wanted to be visible holding hand-over-heart for the National Anthem protested the management’s suppression of their patriotism. (Won’t happen, since management also cuts their cheques. Would be a nice protest to see though.)

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lawhawk  Sep 8, 2016 • 5:35:24am
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Can’t wait to see how this is spun to favor Trump.

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Anymouse  Sep 8, 2016 • 5:36:10am

Will wingnuts boycott the NFL, with more players on other teams standing (or kneeling, or sitting) in solidarity with 49ers player Colin Kapernick?

Major League Baseball and the National Hockey League hope so.

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scottslemmons  Sep 8, 2016 • 5:47:17am

re: #164 lawhawk

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Trump raised the best money. And Clinton just over-did things, very unseemly and unladylike.

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William Lewis  Sep 8, 2016 • 5:48:11am

re: #165 Anymouse

Will wingnuts boycott the NFL, with more players on other teams standing (or kneeling, or sitting) in solidarity with 49ers player Colin Kapernick?

Major League Baseball and the National Hockey League hope so.

Kapernick is the first reason I’ve had to be willing to watch the NFL in years. And I grew up with the Packers. But I got tired of the spoiled brats, ignoring what concussions were doing to people and asshats like Pederson beating a child and stopped watching it. Now? Maybe, just maybe.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 8, 2016 • 5:48:37am

re: #166 scottslemmons

Trump raised the best money. And Clinton just over-did things, very unseemly and unladylike.

she didn’t smile enough when she accepted it…

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jeffreyw  Sep 8, 2016 • 5:50:20am

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lawhawk  Sep 8, 2016 • 5:51:53am
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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Sep 8, 2016 • 5:54:09am

candidates are piñatas and nobody is satisfied until they get their chance to take a whack and see if they can make the candy fall out

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scottslemmons  Sep 8, 2016 • 5:55:10am

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Timothy Watson  Sep 8, 2016 • 5:56:11am

re: #170 lawhawk

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lawhawk  Sep 8, 2016 • 6:02:24am

re: #172 scottslemmons

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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 8, 2016 • 6:03:06am
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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 8, 2016 • 6:04:25am

ACTUALLY THIS LOOKS EXACTLY LIKE DONALD TRUMP’S HAIR==>

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Romantic Heretic  Sep 8, 2016 • 6:11:32am

re: #104 retired cynic

It will be Obama’s fault, of course.

Unless Hillary is POTUS in which case it will be her fault.

If Trump is President a huge earthquake will be the least of America’s worries.

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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 8, 2016 • 6:13:32am

RADICAL ISLAMIC TERRORISM! Oh wait no.

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Sep 8, 2016 • 6:13:57am

anybody making arguments based on how hillary is in trouble because her margins have been radically cut from really winning to just definitely still winning will have to account for rassmussen having trump a point ahead a week ago but hillary four points ahead in a poll released right now

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dangerman  Sep 8, 2016 • 6:14:59am

re: #164 lawhawk

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Can’t wait to see how this is spun to favor Trump.

“he raised way more money than anyone thought he would so all the concerns about him not having enough money to be competitive are for the moment laid to rest”

otoh - he doesnt spend what he raised very wisely

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Sir John Barron  Sep 8, 2016 • 6:16:53am

re: #174 lawhawk

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“Oh for cristy sake go f0ck yourselves, all of yous. Go eff yourselves all day and all night for all I care. You want Trump? You can have him. I don’t need this fcking shit.”

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dangerman  Sep 8, 2016 • 6:17:12am

re: #170 lawhawk

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ida made all clinton’s questions long paragraphs. followed by “explain, briefly”

and all trumps numbers the same color

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Decatur Deb  Sep 8, 2016 • 6:17:27am

re: #179 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

anybody making arguments based on how hillary is in trouble because her margins have been radically cut from really winning to just definitely still winning will have to account for rassmussen having trump a point ahead a week ago but hillary four points ahead in a poll released right now

Several weeks ago 538 blog described our odds as really good, like playing Russian roulette with a six-shooter. We’re still playing and likely to win, but there might be a second round in the cylinder.

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Anymouse  Sep 8, 2016 • 6:18:46am

I still don’t understand the conservative claim on Hillary Clinton’s received E-mails.

From what I can gather, three (of thirty thousand) had paragraphs in them, in which there were embedded (c) marking (which may or may not have had anything to do with classifications).

Holding a secret clearance myself, I understand how classified documents are marked. (c) does not mean “classified” as wingnuts are claiming (which is not a classification). I also understand how difficult it is to declassify information. (I once tried to get a maintenance manual seven hundred pages long declassified by removing a single paragraph marked (s) from the introduction of the book, only to be told no, it would cost too much to reprint the page without the paragraph.)

In any document that has any classification, the header and footer are marked on each page with the classification of the page. Thus, a document classified as “secret” will have “secret” emblazoned on the pages where at least one paragraph has secret information. Pages with confidential information will be emblazoned “confidential” in a secret document, and pages with no classified information will be marked “unclassified” in a secret document.

Any document that sources classified information (such as technical notes or an E-mail) must carry the same markings, as well as the person or organisation classifying those notes or E-mail. (Thus in my avionics job, I frequently generated information in the form of troubleshooting notes that I would classify as Secret or Confidential, register with my command, and report the destruction of the notes when destroyed.)

Department of Defense Document on How to Mark Original and Derived Classified Material
(How classified material is marked)

(ts) Top Secret (if anyone tells you they have a Top Secret clearance, they are lying, as that clearance itself is classified)
(s) Secret
(c) Confidential
(u) Unclassified

For nuclear technology and weapons, the Department of Energy also uses Restricted Data and Formerly Restricted Data as classifications.

If Hillary Clinton, in those three E-mails, actually received classified information that was paragraph-marked with the (c) for Confidential, then Hillary Clinton is not the guilty party. The sender is. (That would be sort of like blaming a recipient for a Romance scammer’s sent E-mails.)

Unfortunately, the political adage “if you’re explaining, you’re losing” applies. To explain all this to a non-governmental person causes eyes to quickly glaze over.

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dangerman  Sep 8, 2016 • 6:19:18am

re: #179 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

anybody making arguments based on how hillary is in trouble because her margins have been radically cut from really winning to just definitely still winning will have to account for rassmussen having trump a point ahead a week ago but hillary four points ahead in a poll released right now

easy:
last weeks poll was accurate
new poll is skewed

next

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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 8, 2016 • 6:20:04am

Being a dumbass is so “refreshing”

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Timothy Watson  Sep 8, 2016 • 6:20:10am

re: #182 dangerman

ida made all clinton’s questions long paragraphs. followed by “explain, briefly”

and all trumps numbers the same color

Or put some integral and differential calculus questions requiring proofs with “explain, briefly”.

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Sir John Barron  Sep 8, 2016 • 6:21:05am

re: #128 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

From newsmax: Ted Nugent: Trump Represents Earning Your Own Way, Hillary, Blood Suckers

This sounds incredibly insightful. I will go over right now and read this.

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Decatur Deb  Sep 8, 2016 • 6:21:53am

re: #184 Anymouse

I still don’t understand the conservative claim on Hillary Clinton’s received E-mails.

From what I can gather, three (of thirty thousand) had paragraphs in them, in which there were embedded (c) marking (which may or may not have had anything to do with classifications).

Holding a secret clearance myself, I understand how classified documents are marked. (c) does not mean “classified” as wingnuts are claiming (which is not a classification). I also understand how difficult it is to declassify information. (I once tried to get a maintenance manual seven hundred pages long declassified by removing a single paragraph marked (s) from the introduction of the book, only to be told no, it would cost too much to reprint the page without the paragraph.)

In any document that has any classification, the header and footer are marked on each page with the classification of the page. Thus, a document classified as “secret” will have “secret” emblazoned on the pages where at least one paragraph has secret information. Pages with confidential information will be emblazoned “confidential” in a secret document, and pages with no classified information will be marked “unclassified” in a secret document.

Any document that sources classified information (such as technical notes or an E-mail) must carry the same markings, as well as the person or organisation classifying those notes or E-mail. (Thus in my avionics job, I frequently generated information in the form of troubleshooting notes that I would classify as Secret or Confidential, register with my command, and report the destruction of the notes when destroyed.)

Department of Defense Document on How to Mark Original and Derived Classified Material
(How classified material is marked)

(ts) Top Secret (if anyone tells you they have a Top Secret clearance, they are lying, as that clearance itself is classified)
(s) Secret
(c) Confidential
(u) Unclassified

For nuclear technology and weapons, the Department of Energy also uses Restricted Data and Formerly Restricted Data as classifications.

If Hillary Clinton, in those three E-mails, actually received classified information that was paragraph-marked with the (c) for Confidential, then Hillary Clinton is not the guilty party. The sender is. (That would be sort of like blaming a recipient for a Romance scammer’s sent E-mails.)

Unfortunately, the political adage “if you’re explaining, you’re losing” applies. To explain all this to a non-governmental person causes eyes to quickly glaze over.

And for NATO nuclear access we use “Cosmic ATOMAL”, which always had a wonderful sci-fi ring to it.

(You also run into “NOFORN” information, which sometimes made for an awkward situation at multi-national staff meetings.)

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Anymouse  Sep 8, 2016 • 6:25:09am

re: #189 Decatur Deb

And for NATO nuclear access we use “Cosmic ATOMAL”, which always had a wonderful sci-fi ring to it.

Well, as for NATO’s Cosmic classification, I imagine NATO leaders opining the destruction of all NATO would be a cosmic event, hence the name for the classification.

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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 8, 2016 • 6:25:31am

Oddly enough, when I hear “Aleppo” the first thing I think of is that scene in Macbeth where the witches cast a spell on a sailor bound for Aleppo, because his wife wouldn’t share her chestnuts.

FIRST WITCH
Where hast thou been, sister?

SECOND WITCH
Killing swine.

THIRD WITCH
Sister, where thou?

FIRST WITCH
A sailor’s wife had chestnuts in her lap,
And munched, and munched, and munched. “Give me,”
     quoth I.
“Aroint thee, witch!” the rump-fed runnion cries.
Her husband’s to Aleppo gone, master o’ th’ Tiger;
But in a sieve I’ll thither sail,
And like a rat without a tail,
I’ll do, I’ll do, and I’ll do.

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dangerman  Sep 8, 2016 • 6:25:41am

re: #184 Anymouse

I still don’t understand the conservative claim on Hillary Clinton’s received E-mails…..
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shorter: Hillary Clinton

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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 8, 2016 • 6:29:10am

AUTOMATIC BLOCKING FUNCTION TRIGGERED==>

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Anymouse  Sep 8, 2016 • 6:29:16am

re: #192 dangerman

shorter: Hillary Clinton

I was going to troll my village attorney/county prosecutor on my private E-mail server again at the village board meeting, but he wasn’t present (he was involved in a late-nighter preparing for a murder trial).

The Republicans on my board (all the others) are aware of my E-mail server run by my wife due to my E-mail address, which goes out in all my official E-mail.

None of them have demanded I get rid of the E-mail server. It is almost as if this E-mail server thing is because it is Clinton.

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Sep 8, 2016 • 6:31:09am

liberals just don’t understand government security classifications. here is a simple guide:

confidential: hillary killed vince foster
secret: hillary is a bitch
top secret: when hillary is president you will be castrated

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Decatur Deb  Sep 8, 2016 • 6:31:34am

re: #194 Anymouse

I was going to troll my village attorney/county prosecutor on my private E-mail server again at the village board meeting, but he wasn’t present (he was involved in a late-nighter preparing for a murder trial).

The Republicans on my board (all the others) are aware of my E-mail server run by my wife due to my E-mail address, which goes out in all my official E-mail.

None of them have demanded I get rid of the E-mail server. It is almost as if this E-mail server thing is because it is Clinton.

You had a murder? That makes your town far more dangerous than Manhattan.

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Decatur Deb  Sep 8, 2016 • 6:38:28am

re: #179 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

anybody making arguments based on how hillary is in trouble because her margins have been radically cut from really winning to just definitely still winning will have to account for rassmussen having trump a point ahead a week ago but hillary four points ahead in a poll released right now

Heh. This morning RCP is showing HRC at 2.8 lead. How, you might ask? By dropping Rassmussen from the current calculation:

realclearpolitics.com

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dangerman  Sep 8, 2016 • 6:38:29am

re: #194 Anymouse

I was going to troll my village attorney/county prosecutor on my private E-mail server again at the village board meeting, but he wasn’t present (he was involved in a late-nighter preparing for a murder trial).

The Republicans on my board (all the others) are aware of my E-mail server run by my wife due to my E-mail address, which goes out in all my official E-mail.

None of them have demanded I get rid of the E-mail server. It is almost as if this E-mail server thing is because it is Clinton.

yeah

your long explanation is spot on
the only, and i repeat only, possible reasoning i could come up with is along the lines of:

if you use a personal account or server, and someone sends material to that account they shouldnt, even if you’re not at fault being the recipient - you control the account/server and so have opened up the flow of information to outside threat

whereas if the same circumstances happened on a govt account/server someone else would be responsible for the integrity of the security

in this case clearly nothing was hacked, lost, stolen, etc. but it coulda been….

its thin. real thin. and its all i got
the whole thing is asinine from start to finish

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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 8, 2016 • 6:39:39am

SHOOT ME NOW

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Anymouse  Sep 8, 2016 • 6:41:03am

re: #193 The Vicious Babushka

Where do these wingnuts come from, and what is “automatic blocking function triggered?” Is it some method of detecting wingnuttery encoded in a program (in which case you should market it), or is that an “inside joke” phrase here?

And Mrs. Clinton calling Mr. Trump a Ni-CLANG? Maybe in his fever dreams of too many whiskeys and too much mainlining Town Hall or BarbWire.

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dangerman  Sep 8, 2016 • 6:42:03am

re: #199 The Vicious Babushka

SHOOT ME NOW

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apparently a “moranic” republican = detailed democrat

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Barefoot Grin  Sep 8, 2016 • 6:42:32am

re: #169 jeffreyw

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sauteed peppers, tomatoes, mushrooms, and olives on cinnamon rolls?

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Kryptik: Just Done With It.  Sep 8, 2016 • 6:43:40am

re: #199 The Vicious Babushka

SHOOT ME NOW

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Too detai-….what the f-

Alright, screw it, just have the debates on Twitter then, all answers need to be 140 characters or less. Apparently that’s now a fucking prerequisite for the presidency in this day and age. For christ’s sake…

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Barefoot Grin  Sep 8, 2016 • 6:44:13am

re: #186 The Vicious Babushka

Being a dumbass is so “refreshing”

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wake-n-bake, it’ll be a new White House tradition before the national security briefings….

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darthstar  Sep 8, 2016 • 6:44:16am

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Decatur Deb  Sep 8, 2016 • 6:45:32am

re: #205 darthstar

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scottslemmons  Sep 8, 2016 • 6:45:56am

re: #199 The Vicious Babushka

SHOOT ME NOW

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Clinton’s answers were too detailed… for media pinheads to follow.

It’s really kinda astonishing that these people don’t stop to consider how dumb it makes them look when they whine that policy details are too hard for them to understand.

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Anymouse  Sep 8, 2016 • 6:48:17am

re: #196 Decatur Deb

You had a murder? That makes your town far more dangerous than Manhattan.

The murder was in Angora (population 1). Thus, Angora has a murder rate of 100%. (The reason murder rates are not really indicative of a murder problem.)

Nasty story: A rancher in Bayard found an oil drum on the shore of the North Platte River on his ranch. He though it would make a good burn barrel, so he fished it out. Turns out there was a body in it.

Around the same time, the one person who lives in Angora reported a car fire in Angora (not hers). The sheriff determined the VW Beetle burning was actually an arson (so Angora has a 100% arson rate too).

The passenger seat was missing from the car. It was later determined the car belonged to a woman outside Angora whose boyfriend was involved in drug dealing. (She is not suspected of anything.) The boyfriend stole her car.

The search was on for the boyfriend.

A few days later, the Cheyenne, Wyoming police department pulled over the boyfriend (suspected of the arson and murder) on a simple speeding violation. When the city police ran his name, they immediately arrested him. Turns out the boyfriend is from Colorado (not Wyoming or Nebraska).

The FBI was called in on the case to clean up the loose ends, as the arson/murder involved three states. He is charged with both crimes, as well as illegally dumping a body, and drug smuggling. The passenger seat from the VW was apparently removed to use the car to transport the oil drum with the body from Angora to Bayard (a distance of about thirty miles). He threw the oil drum in the river, and it floated ashore a few miles east of Bayard.

The Bayard Police, Morrill County Sheriff, Nebraska State Patrol, Cheyenne City Police, and the FBI are all involved in the case.

According to my county prosecutor, this is the first murder in the county since the Thirties.

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sagehen  Sep 8, 2016 • 6:49:32am
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dangerman  Sep 8, 2016 • 6:49:47am

re: #207 scottslemmons

Clinton’s answers were too detailed… for media pinheads to follow.

It’s really kinda astonishing that these people don’t stop to consider how dumb it makes them look when they whine that policy details are too hard for them to understand.

or by extension that policy details are too hard for the public to understand

or that the public doesnt want details

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Anymouse  Sep 8, 2016 • 6:50:32am

re: #205 darthstar

Then again, maybe not. I am too slow. What story is being told here? Wet cement disturbed by dog shape, measured with a square?

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Barefoot Grin  Sep 8, 2016 • 6:51:48am

re: #211 Anymouse

Then again, maybe not. I am too slow. What story is being told here? Wet cement disturbed by dog shape, measured with a square?

Child or hipster takes a tumble.

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jeffreyw  Sep 8, 2016 • 6:51:53am

re: #202 Barefoot Grin

sauteed peppers, tomatoes, mushrooms, and olives on cinnamon rolls?

They were sausage and caramelized onion biscuits made in the style of cinnamon rolls:

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The toppings were are you describe although sans olives. I was reproducing a dish I saw made on a food tv show.

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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 8, 2016 • 6:52:21am

re: #200 Anymouse

Where do these wingnuts come from, and what is “automatic blocking function triggered?” Is it some method of detecting wingnuttery encoded in a program (in which case you should market it), or is that an “inside joke” phrase here?

And Mrs. Clinton calling Mr. Trump a Ni-CLANG? Maybe in his fever dreams of too many whiskeys and too much mainlining Town Hall or BarbWire.

“Automatic Blocking Function” is not an actual function, it just means when you see a Twitter profile so obviously insane it must be blocked immediately.

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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 8, 2016 • 6:55:07am

Wingnuts are shrieking BENGHAZI BENGHAZI BENGHAZI after Hillary said “No Americans were killed in Libya” by which I assume she meant during a specific time period that did not include 9/11/2012

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Decatur Deb  Sep 8, 2016 • 6:55:28am

re: #208 Anymouse

Took several arguments to convince Wife that our small-to-middling Alabama town has a murder rate several times NYC. Our county also has the country’s highest death-sentence production among counties large enough to have 3 on death row. That is entirely the accomplishment of our ex-DA, master of the all-white/near-white jury, who ran proudly on his kill rate for several terms.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 8, 2016 • 7:01:03am

re: #188 Sir John Barron

This sounds incredibly insightful. I will go over right now and read this.

//

I check into newsmax once in a while just to see what the latest RW talking points are.

same reason I used to read Pravda

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Barefoot Grin  Sep 8, 2016 • 7:02:27am

re: #213 jeffreyw

They were sausage and caramelized onion biscuits made in the style of cinnamon rolls:

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The toppings were are you describe although sans olives. I was reproducing a dish I saw made on a food tv show.

Ok, that sounds awesome.

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makeitstop  Sep 8, 2016 • 7:02:36am

re: #209 sagehen

Sure hope Don behaved himself when he visited Russia. Because if he didn’t, you know who has hi-quality video of it.

I’m pretty convinced that Putin has got something on Trump - whether it’s financial or what, I don’t know. Maybe a dossier that proves every single thing that Trump is being accused of right now. I’m sure Vlad is extremely thorough when he wants to be.

Also, the thought of a Trump sex tape has me fighting back the urge to retch up my morning coffee. I’d rather dig my own eyes out with a spoon than have to look at that fatass old man naked.

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Anymouse  Sep 8, 2016 • 7:03:10am

re: #214 The Vicious Babushka

“Automatic Blocking Function” is not an actual function, it just means when you see a Twitter profile so obviously insane it must be blocked immediately.

I am glad I am not on Twitter (though I can look, sometimes there is good stuff there):

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re: #216 Decatur Deb

Took several arguments to convince Wife that our small-to-middling Alabama town has a murder rate several times NYC. Our county also has the country’s highest death-sentence production among counties large enough to have 3 on death row. That is entirely the accomplishment of our ex-DA, master of the all-white/near-white jury, who ran proudly on his kill rate for several terms.

Our Wingnut governor (Pete Ricketts) wants to revive the death penalty so bad in Nebraska after it was repealed over his veto he paid all the freight out of his own pocket to get a referendum on the ballot this year.

Pro-life my behind. Kill Kill Kill. Same guy who is in trouble with the DEA for illegally importing death penalty drugs from India. (Thanks, UPS, for tipping off the DEA.)

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lawhawk  Sep 8, 2016 • 7:06:21am

re: #205 darthstar

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Anymouse  Sep 8, 2016 • 7:06:43am

On second thought, Twitter is a Dumpster fire. Right after I posted that tweet, this one came up. This poster should be pilloried with a slew of “automatic blocking function” tweets at her.

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Decatur Deb  Sep 8, 2016 • 7:07:15am

re: #219 makeitstop

I’m pretty convinced that Putin has got something on Trump - whether it’s financial or what, I don’t know. Maybe a dossier that proves every single thing that Trump is being accused of right now. I’m sure Vlad is extremely thorough when he wants to be.

Also, the thought of a Trump sex tape has me fighting back the urge to retch up my morning coffee. I’d rather dig my own eyes out with a spoon than have to look at that fatass old man naked.

Is it even possible to “have something” on someone as organically shameless as Trump? If there’s a sex tape, it’s the biggest and best sex tape, so sexy it’ll make you sick of sex tapes.

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Tigger2  Sep 8, 2016 • 7:07:16am
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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Sep 8, 2016 • 7:07:35am

re: #187 Timothy Watson

Or put some integral and differential calculus questions requiring proofs with “explain, briefly”.

I think there was a Peanuts cartoon once where Peppermint Patty read an exam question that said, “Explain World War II. Use both sides of the paper if necessary.”

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 8, 2016 • 7:08:49am

re: #213 jeffreyw

They were sausage and caramelized onion biscuits made in the style of cinnamon rolls:

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The toppings were are you describe although sans olives. I was reproducing a dish I saw made on a food tv show.

I am so stealing that recipe idea

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Skip Intro  Sep 8, 2016 • 7:09:31am

re: #217 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I check into newsmax once in a while just to see what the latest RW talking points are.

same reason I used to read Pravda

Newsmax head Chris Ruddy rumored to be in the running for Ailes’ job at Fox.

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Decatur Deb  Sep 8, 2016 • 7:10:51am

re: #217 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I check into newsmax once in a while just to see what the latest RW talking points are.

same reason I used to read Pravda

Newsmax and WND both spun out of The Arkansas Project, an obsessional hobby of nutcase Pittsburgh moneybag Mellon-Scaife.

en.wikipedia.org

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Varek Raith  Sep 8, 2016 • 7:12:03am

We’re going to need a spaceship…

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jeffreyw  Sep 8, 2016 • 7:12:15am

re: #226 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I am so stealing that recipe idea

Here’s a link to my blog post with more photos that describes the method: whats4dinnersolutions.com

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darthstar  Sep 8, 2016 • 7:13:31am
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Varek Raith  Sep 8, 2016 • 7:14:43am

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Anymouse  Sep 8, 2016 • 7:14:58am

Wingnuts still don’t get it, for all their supposed support of military, veterans, and their families.

It is tragic that four people were lost in Benghazi.

By law, a Gold Star Family member is a parent, sibling, or child of a military member who fell in combat during certain armed actions as defined by Congress.

The designation does not include the family members of the Diplomatic Corps, no matter how much wingnuts want to make it so. It actually demeans and cheapens the designation of Gold Star Family member to claim

a) Hillary Clinton lied about Gold Star Family members
b) That the persons involved are Gold Star Family members.

The Republican Convention had a woman who attacked Hillary Clinton’s position, to which Hillary Clinton said she disagreed, but offered her condolences.

The Democratic Convention had a man who attacked Donald Trump’s position, to which wingnutistan went ballistic, accusing him of being a terrorism supporter, then all of us being terrorism supporters for standing up for him and his wife.

My mother and I never thought that wearing our Gold Star Family pins would be as a protest against a major-party candidate. (Neither of us normally wore them, me only in formal clothes for special function, as we did not wish special attention from the public. Now we both wear them every day.)

I am pretty much disgusted with Movement Conservatism, throwing shade on the family of an Army captain who gave the full measure of his devotion. It is beyond disgusting. It is not patriotic, and those who continue in that vein are not patriots.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Sep 8, 2016 • 7:15:28am

re: #199 The Vicious Babushka

Details are pretty important when it comes to being President.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 8, 2016 • 7:16:48am

re: #228 Decatur Deb

Newsmax and WND both spun out of The Arkansas Project, an obsessional hobby of nutcase Pittsburgh moneybag Mellon-Scaife.

en.wikipedia.org

they are my go-to source to find out the GOP party line…I cannot go near Fox without inducing my gag reflex

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 8, 2016 • 7:18:53am

re: #234 Ziggy_TARDIS

Details are pretty important when it comes to being President.

that’s what makes them presidential

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Belafon  Sep 8, 2016 • 7:19:32am

re: #222 Anymouse

On second thought, Twitter is a Dumpster fire. Right after I posted that tweet, this one came up. This poster should be pilloried with a slew of “automatic blocking function” tweets at her.

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Twitter is light just about anything else in the world, you have to sift through the dirt to find the diamonds. Twitter may be giving of this stuff, but we also would not have heard about Ferguson, Baltimore, or a number of other things without it.

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makeitstop  Sep 8, 2016 • 7:19:47am

re: #224 Tigger2

Was Hillary Wearing an Earpiece During Last Night’s Presidential Forum?

OFFFS.

Okay, I’m edging up on ‘I want to start slapping people and not stop until I inflict permanent, irreversible scars’ with this shit.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 8, 2016 • 7:20:53am

re: #233 Anymouse

My mother and I never thought that wearing our Gold Star Family pins would be as a protest against a major-party candidate. (Neither of us normally wore them, me only in formal clothes for special function, as we did not wish special attention from the public. Now we both wear them every day.)

Not the first time…remember in 2004 when the RNC made a big deal out of Purple Hearts? They have no sense of shame or dignity.

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darthstar  Sep 8, 2016 • 7:22:23am
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Anymouse  Sep 8, 2016 • 7:22:44am

re: #237 Belafon

Twitter is light just about anything else in the world, you have to sift through the dirt to find the diamonds. Twitter may be giving of this stuff, but we also would not have heard about Ferguson, Baltimore, or a number of other things without it.

Well, I heard about them in the press, though the press might have been tipped off by following what was going on with Twitter.

I can’t wait for mainstream news to be conveyed in 140 characters or less.

You can have Twitter. For all the “diamonds in the rough,” you have to sift through too much roughage. I can find more in the cattle pasture two blocks away.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Sep 8, 2016 • 7:23:11am

re: #232 Varek Raith

Anyone else in on a one-way trip to Mars?

I prefer a place with more atmosphere.

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Anymouse  Sep 8, 2016 • 7:24:40am

re: #239 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Not the first time…remember in 2004 when the RNC made a big deal out of Purple Hearts? They have no sense of shame or dignity.

But Trump has one. Apparently for his fear of VD.

That statement disgusted me more than any other he’s made. My father’s Purple Heart was awarded for dying in combat. Trump had one mailed to him apparently.

He needs to lose by a 400 EV landslide.

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lawhawk  Sep 8, 2016 • 7:24:44am
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Hoft retweeted - because of course he would.

These people live in a fact free bubble. Any nattering nabob can now justify their position because reasons. Distrusting media? Yeah, check that one off, because apparently the only facts and logic are courtesy of conspiracy nut sites like prison planet or infowars and not the NYT or other major traditional media outlets.

Yes, the media plays MBF all too much. They’ve given a twit like Trump too much leeway - giving him such a cushion that he can sputter nonsense and the media claims it is presidential.

In fact, according to Hoft/prison planet, that’s all the more reason not to trust the media.

Wait. What?

Did I just find a flaw in the SMOTI nut job reasoning/logic? Well, of course, because it’s all so much pretzel logic. Hate of Hillary trumps all else.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 8, 2016 • 7:25:04am

re: #242 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

I prefer a place with more atmosphere.

I like my water in liquid form, not just gas and ice…

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Belafon  Sep 8, 2016 • 7:25:19am

re: #242 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

I prefer a place with more atmosphere.

Venus? Jupiter?

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austin_blue  Sep 8, 2016 • 7:25:20am

re: #108 Targetpractice

Trump praises Putin, says intel people think President is a mess, is going to fire all the generals and appoint new ones, thinks we could have prevented IS by taking all of Iraq’s oil with us, lied about his support for Iraq and Libya, and insists he was right when saying that rape epidemic in military is the result of letting women serve…but media praises him for getting over the bar that was lowered all the way to the floor.

Meanwhile, Hillary got peppered with hostile questions while the moderator kept interrupting her and asking numerous followup questions, almost all about the damned emails, and the media’s response is that she’s “defensive.”

Oh, and both were “as bad” because Trump’s whoppers were balanced out by Hillary not smiling enough.

Thanks!

So about what we suspected it was going to be.

(sigh)

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dangerman  Sep 8, 2016 • 7:25:46am

re: #234 Ziggy_TARDIS

Details are pretty important when it comes to being President.

i said Iran not Iraq

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nines09  Sep 8, 2016 • 7:29:30am

re: #243 Anymouse

But Trump has one. Apparently for his fear of VD.

That statement disgusted me more than any other he’s made. My father’s Purple Heart was awarded for dying in combat. Trump had one mailed to him apparently.

He needs to lose by a 400 EV landslide.

Nope. Trump had one given to him in Virginia earlier this year. Here it is in all its glory. He always wanted one. gag.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Sep 8, 2016 • 7:29:43am

Don Lemon being an insufferable fucknugget.

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dangerman  Sep 8, 2016 • 7:29:59am

Andy Barr on Twitter
‏@bustipsover
There are two men on that stage dangerously unqualified for the job they imagine themselves having.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Sep 8, 2016 • 7:31:00am

re: #246 Belafon

Venus? Jupiter?

Lousy weather both places. Venus is too hot and the H2SO4 rain is murder on your skin. And Jupiter just makes me feel really heavy, like I can’t stand up. Plus the air is not so good for you.

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A wild WITHAK appeared!  Sep 8, 2016 • 7:32:02am

Came here to post the Gary Johnson “What is Aleppo?” video. Nice to see Lizards are already on top of this.

What a clown. Now I know that I’m probably more qualified to deal with foreign policy matters than three of the presidential candidates and not just two.

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Anymouse  Sep 8, 2016 • 7:32:16am

re: #252 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Lousy weather both places. Venus is too hot and the H2SO4 rain is murder on your skin. And Jupiter just makes me feel really heavy, like I can’t stand up. Plus the air is not so good for you.

You sure you’re not describing Louisiana?

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Sep 8, 2016 • 7:32:44am

re: #253 A wild WITHAK appeared!

Johnson has already been shilling for Russia.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Sep 8, 2016 • 7:33:30am

re: #254 Anymouse

You sure you’re not describing Louisiana?

Beijing, in the summer.

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Belafon  Sep 8, 2016 • 7:34:01am

According to Daily Kos, Clinton did a press conference (part1, part2). I like these:

Q: Could you react to the RNC saying you were too serious last night, and do you think there is a double standard?

A: You can ponder that one. I don’t take advice from the RNC. We were talking about serious issues last night. I know the difference between talking about ISIS and the VA and political happy talk. Donald Trump chose to talk about his deep admiration and support for Vladimir Putin. Maybe he did it with a smile and I guess the RNC would have liked that.

Q: Trump suggested that his security briefers were not happy. Did you get that same impression?

A: I think what he said was totally inappropriate and undisciplined. I would never comment on any aspect of an intelligence briefing that I received.

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Anymouse  Sep 8, 2016 • 7:35:42am

More love from conservatives for a Gold Star Family. Suffer in silence, Mr. and Mrs. Khan. Don’t you dare use the I Amendment right your son swore to uphold.

Nope, won’t ever get me on Twitter or Facebook.

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darthstar  Sep 8, 2016 • 7:35:59am

God bless algorithms.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Sep 8, 2016 • 7:36:55am

I’ve been catching up on Mr Robot. Episode 7 just blew me away, and the videography was superb. Film schools had better be using this series in their courses.

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Jenner7  Sep 8, 2016 • 7:38:26am
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I can’t wait to vote for this woman.

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Anymouse  Sep 8, 2016 • 7:40:37am

Free Speech, how does it work? There is the conservative version (Freeze Peach, don’t respond to my comments or hurt my fee-fees).

President Obama defending another American’s right to free speech comes under attack by conservatives.

Twitter is a libertarian tyre fire that needs to be sent to Somalia (a libertarian utopia as the CATO Institute opined when its government was overthrown).

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Sir John Barron  Sep 8, 2016 • 7:41:16am

re: #10 Belafon

I’m just going to put the Balloon Juice link to all of the collected tweets: balloon-juice.com.

Are you high, Chuck Todd? You’re high, right? You must be high. Good for you, buddy. BLAZE IT CHUCK!

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— Wil Wheaton (@wilw)

Wil Wheaton is good at Twitter.

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Targetpractice  Sep 8, 2016 • 7:41:30am

So I’ve finally caught to the thread and all I can say is…is it too late to get a replacement 2016? Or just send the unused portion back for a full refund?

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makeitstop  Sep 8, 2016 • 7:41:44am

re: #262 Anymouse

Free Speech, how does it work? There is the conservative version (Freeze Peach, don’t respond to my comments or hurt my fee-fees).

President Obama defending another American’s right to free speech comes under attack by conservatives.

Twitter is a libertarian tyre fire that needs to be sent to Somalia (a libertarian utopia as the CATO Institute opined when its government was overthrown).

Forget it, Mouse. It’s Twittertown.

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Sir John Barron  Sep 8, 2016 • 7:42:11am

re: #262 Anymouse

Free Speech, how does it work? There is the conservative version (Freeze Peach, don’t respond to my comments or hurt my fee-fees).

President Obama defending another American’s right to free speech comes under attack by conservatives.

Twitter is a libertarian tyre fire that needs to be sent to Somalia (a libertarian utopia as the CATO Institute opined when its government was overthrown).

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And let me tell you how much I love the Constitution and how much I know about the Constitution.

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Anymouse  Sep 8, 2016 • 7:43:19am

re: #266 Sir John Barron

And let me tell you how much I love the Constitution and how much I know about the Constitution.

I love it so much I’ll replace all the amendments with just the Second Amendment, to make sure the point is hammered home.

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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 8, 2016 • 7:43:53am

NBC so desperately wants “Apprentice: The White House”

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Belafon  Sep 8, 2016 • 7:45:23am

re: #241 Anymouse

Well, I heard about them in the press, though the press might have been tipped off by following what was going on with Twitter.

I can’t wait for mainstream news to be conveyed in 140 characters or less.

You can have Twitter. For all the “diamonds in the rough,” you have to sift through too much roughage. I can find more in the cattle pasture two blocks away.

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Video on Twitter was the only reason these made it out. Twitter is how we found out DeRay McKesson was arrested; otherwise, he would have just disappeared. A lot of news has flowed from Twitter.

The thing about news being reduced to 140 characters is that Twitter is planning on expanding the limit to something like 10K characters. Not sure Trump is going to be able to keep a coherent thought in anything over 200 characters.

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Belafon  Sep 8, 2016 • 7:46:10am

re: #268 The Vicious Babushka

NBC so desperately wants “Apprentice: The White House”

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It’ll be on TrumpTV.

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Anymouse  Sep 8, 2016 • 7:46:33am

re: #264 Targetpractice

So I’ve finally caught to the thread and all I can say is…is it too late to get a replacement 2016? Or just send the unused portion back for a full refund?

Not valid in Puerto Rico, the Virgin Islands, or foreign nations. Refunds must be accompanied by a receipt. All refunds subject to a 20% restocking charge. Disputes must be settled by binding arbitration in Delaware accordance with the End User License Agreement.

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darthstar  Sep 8, 2016 • 7:46:50am
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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Sep 8, 2016 • 7:47:14am

re: #268 The Vicious Babushka

NBC so desperately wants “Apprentice: The White House”

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It would be more fun if the debates were run like Jeopardy.

Or American Ninja Warrior — but made easier for the olds.

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Dr. Matt  Sep 8, 2016 • 7:48:08am

#Aleppo #WhatIsAleppo

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Belafon  Sep 8, 2016 • 7:49:35am

re: #273 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

It would be more fun if the debates were run like Jeopardy.

Or American Ninja Warrior — but made easier for the olds.

“And here’s the bar clearing contest. For candidate Clinton, the bar will be set at 8 feet, fitted with spikes. First, she must wade through this pile of emails. For candidate Trump, the bar will be set at 8 millimeters, and he will be given three chances to get over it.”

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Sep 8, 2016 • 7:49:47am

re: #274 Dr. Matt

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He has the befuddled expression of the typical sit-com dad.

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Tigger2  Sep 8, 2016 • 7:50:10am

re: #274 Dr. Matt

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The republicans really don’t have much to choose from.

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Sir John Barron  Sep 8, 2016 • 7:50:18am

re: #90 Targetpractice

I really am finding it impossible for candidate Obama to have said even half the shit in ‘08 that Trump said tonight and not having been immediately hounded out of the election. Saying that the generals thought that Bush was a mess? Praising Putin? That he’d fire all the current generals and appoint new ones? The GOP would have had a field day depicting him as dangerously unprepared compared to McCain. Oh hell, who am I kidding, they did try to argue that, but Obama was never so stupid as to hand them the evidence on a silver platter.

Hell, if Hillary said half the things Trump has said….

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dangerman  Sep 8, 2016 • 7:51:04am

re: #274 Dr. Matt

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sealed shut his debate chances

“who is this Albert Epo you speak of?”

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Dr. Matt  Sep 8, 2016 • 7:51:33am

re: #277 Tigger2

The republicans really don’t have much to choose from.

I have a feeling Zombie Raygun may earn a few percentages from write-in votes.

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dangerman  Sep 8, 2016 • 7:51:55am

re: #278 Sir John Barron

Hell, if Hillary said half any one of the things Trump has said….

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Tigger2  Sep 8, 2016 • 7:52:35am
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Targetpractice  Sep 8, 2016 • 7:53:36am

re: #279 dangerman

sealed shut his debate chances

“who is this Albert Epo you speak of?”

Speaking of, his campaign (*snicker*) has ads showing up on Youtube now. The content of most of the ads I’ve seen? “You want me in the debates!” Yeah, Gary, I really don’t. Because you don’t seem capable of arguing your way out of a paper bag.

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Anymouse  Sep 8, 2016 • 7:54:09am

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Sherlock Hound  Sep 8, 2016 • 7:54:52am

re: #238 makeitstop

OFFFS.

Okay, I’m edging up on ‘I want to start slapping people and not stop until I inflict permanent, irreversible scars’ with this shit.

Was Trump wearing one?

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Dr. Matt  Sep 8, 2016 • 7:55:12am

At least Gary Johnson didn’t reply: “It’s pronounced “El Guapo” because Three Amigos is one of my favorite movies!”

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Sir John Barron  Sep 8, 2016 • 7:55:24am

re: #122 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I don’t know why, but I have started to resign myself to the Coming of the Idiocracy.

Maybe not this election, although Hillary is one natural disaster/Wikileaks “scandal” away from losing her lead, but the seeds of Stupidity are planted, the outrageous shit that is discussed and debated in a matter-of-fact way is so extreme that the way is paved for the next Idiocrat to take power in the next election.

This is the core problem. A Hillary win would give us another four years of relative sanity (relative to Congress), but the dam is straining to hold back the derp buildup.

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Anymouse  Sep 8, 2016 • 7:56:57am
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dangerman  Sep 8, 2016 • 7:57:01am

re: #286 Dr. Matt

At least Gary Johnson didn’t reply: “It’s pronounced “El Guapo” because Three Amigos is one of my favorite movies!”

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…and then tried to tie in taco trucks….

outloud laughing, you made me, indeed.

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makeitstop  Sep 8, 2016 • 7:57:21am

re: #285 Sherlock Hound

Was Trump wearing one?

There was an image posted here the other day of him with something in his ear.

These fuckers are tossing out chaff for who’s really gonna be wearing the earpiece in the debates.

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Sir John Barron  Sep 8, 2016 • 7:57:55am

Has Trump demanded that Matt Lauer moderate all three debates?

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Sep 8, 2016 • 7:59:14am

Morning classes for me tomorrow, so I’m bailing for the night. Later on!

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Anymouse  Sep 8, 2016 • 8:01:24am

This would include my mother and my sister:

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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 8, 2016 • 8:06:25am

David Fahrenthold still doing Journalism

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Anymouse  Sep 8, 2016 • 8:10:56am
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Jenner7  Sep 8, 2016 • 8:14:38am
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lawhawk  Sep 8, 2016 • 8:16:11am

re: #296 Jenner7

School’s back in session, and so too are the school shootings/active shooter situations.

The GOP will continue to refuse to act because the 2A trumps everything else, including common sense and rational thought.

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Jenner7  Sep 8, 2016 • 8:21:54am
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dangerman  Sep 8, 2016 • 8:23:00am

trump says he meant to do it

re: mexico’s ex-finance minister Luis Videgaray

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Anymouse  Sep 8, 2016 • 8:24:20am

stripes.com

Stars and Stripes weighs in on last night’s questioning of Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump.

They also have a chart in the article on how many (retired) officers of each service have endorsed each candidate.

The overwhelming majority of Army and Marine Corps officers have endorsed Mrs. Clinton; the reverse is true for the Navy and the Air Force (though far fewer officers of those services endorsed either candidate).

I am not big on retired military officers endorsing candidates using their military service or rank as the reason for the endorsement.

I am a strong proponent of the idea the military is subservient to the civilian government. Though I support Hillary Clinton, I have not come out locally and said “I endorse Hillary Clinton.” (I suppose that makes me a hypocrite.)

Damn, sometimes wrestling with moral positions is tough. I don’t want to endorse a political candidate, because of my military affirmation, but at the same time I don’t want a fascist wannabe elected.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Sep 8, 2016 • 8:26:06am

re: #246 Belafon

Venus? Jupiter?

I know they’re always saying Venus is too hot—but it’s a dry heat!

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Varek Raith  Sep 8, 2016 • 8:28:01am

re: #301 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

I know they’re always saying Venus 1
s too hot—but it’s a dry heat!

And a 1300 psi atmosphere.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 8, 2016 • 8:30:11am

re: #302 Varek Raith

And a 1300 psi atmosphere.

Atmosphere so think you could cut it with a knife - or you could, if it weren’t so corrosive.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Sep 8, 2016 • 8:30:18am

re: #300 Anymouse

I noticed a pattern.

The Army and Marines are the ones doing the fighting on the ground, while the Navy and Air Force fire almost always as long range support.

In short, the Naval and Air Force Generals haven’t actually ever had to deal with fighting.

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dangerman  Sep 8, 2016 • 8:31:46am

re: #300 Anymouse

stripes.com

…..
Damn, sometimes wrestling with moral positions is tough. I don’t want to endorse a political candidate, because of my military affirmation, but at the same time I don’t want a fascist wannabe elected.

everybody’s current and prior life informs who they are, what they think, and how the behave

i support candidate x because of (issue) or because of their support of z are all perfectly acceptable conclusions to reach

support can be in many forms. voting, volunteering, canvassing, talking up, actively campaigning, donating, debating and persuading, sometimes quietly behaving well as a good example.

there’s no rules. (i know you know all this)

personally - i care way more about how a person decides who theyll vote for than their method and lengths of support or who the candidate is.

how a person thinks, evaluates and decides tells me what i need to know

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dangerman  Sep 8, 2016 • 8:33:39am

re: #303 Blind Frog Belly White

Atmosphere so think you could cut it with a knife - or you could, if it weren’t so corrosive.

how nasa factored all that in to the design of the venus probes was fascinating to read

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Great White Snark  Sep 8, 2016 • 8:34:20am

re: #304 Ziggy_TARDIS

You say that as if air and sea fights don’t happen.

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darthstar  Sep 8, 2016 • 8:34:52am

Heading off for my scoping in a bit. After a night and morning of “bowel prep” might I make a simple PSA?

DO NOT EVER DO THIS AND RELY ON PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION - The bathroom cannot be more than a few seconds away…ever.
/end of PSA

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blueraven  Sep 8, 2016 • 8:35:14am

re: #299 dangerman

trump says he meant to do it

re: mexico’s ex-finance minister Luis Videgaray

Trump visits Mexico, disrupts government. Very diplomatic of you Donnie. Good job! /

Mostly, though, it’s an odd claim because Trump insinuates very clearly that his goal was to shake up the Mexican government. “And if you look at what happened, look at the aftermath today where the people that arranged the trip in Mexico have been forced out of government. That’s how well we did,” he said.

The United States’s ally and neighbor to the south will probably be surprised to hear that Trump’s aim in visiting their country was to undercut its leaders and force them to resign — particularly a close confidante of Peña Nieto’s like now-former finance minister Luis Videgaray. Trump hadn’t previously indicated that this was his goal in visiting the country. And Peña Nieto, embattled as he is, surely won’t appreciate the idea that this trip was planned with the hope of sparking further upheaval in his administration.

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dangerman  Sep 8, 2016 • 8:35:20am

re: #304 Ziggy_TARDIS

I noticed a pattern.

The Army and Marines are the ones doing the fighting on the ground, while the Navy and Air Force fire almost always as long range support.

In short, the Naval and Air Force Generals haven’t actually ever had to deal with fighting.

i think this conversation cannot go anywhere good

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Belafon  Sep 8, 2016 • 8:36:10am

re: #300 Anymouse

We do need to figure out a way to stop the military from being used as an argument point. “Why are you disrespecting our soldiers?” should not be allowed to stand unchallenged, and it’s going to take veterans to do it. This faux hero worship needs to end. I think a lot of it is going to require veterans to stop participating in a lot of the events that pay some honor to them. It’s one thing to have Veterans Day, it’s another to have soldiers brought up at numerous events.

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dangerman  Sep 8, 2016 • 8:36:23am

re: #308 darthstar

Heading off for my scoping in a bit. After a night and morning of “bowel prep” might I make a simple PSA?

DO NOT EVER DO THIS AND RELY ON PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION - The bathroom cannot be more than a few seconds away…ever.
/end of PSA

best of luck
(im not really laughing)

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Sep 8, 2016 • 8:36:52am

re: #307 Great White Snark

The last up close naval action the US had was the Persian Gulf War, and we haven’t had an Air-to-Air battle of any significance since Kosovo.

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lawhawk  Sep 8, 2016 • 8:38:48am
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Read the whole tweet storm…

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dangerman  Sep 8, 2016 • 8:38:57am

re: #309 blueraven

Trump visits Mexico, disrupts government. Very diplomatic of you Donnie. Good job! /

if i never tell you in advance what im trying to do, whatever happens is a win!

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 8, 2016 • 8:39:03am

re: #287 Sir John Barron

This is the core problem. A Hillary win would give us another four years of relative sanity (relative to Congress), but the dam is straining to hold back the derp buildup.

Ever since Reagan threw them under the bus, fundamentalist Christians have made it a point to insinuate their people into all areas of society, especially those associated with education and policy-making.

That is beginning to manifest itself in the way that the discussion on matters like family planning, teaching science and discussing climate change are being treated in our society.

I sometimes fear that the damage is irreversible.

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Belafon  Sep 8, 2016 • 8:39:23am

re: #304 Ziggy_TARDIS

I noticed a pattern.

The Army and Marines are the ones doing the fighting on the ground, while the Navy and Air Force fire almost always as long range support.

In short, the Naval and Air Force Generals haven’t actually ever had to deal with fighting.

That might seem like a pattern, but we don’t know the details. As was said, far fewer Navy and Air Force officers spoke out about any candidate. For all we know, most of them could support Clinton as well, but they take the responsibility to not interfere in politics more seriously than Army and Marine officers.

Don’t try to read too much into it without any other facts.

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Anymouse  Sep 8, 2016 • 8:45:34am

re: #311 Belafon

We do need to figure out a way to stop the military from being used as an argument point. “Why are you disrespecting our soldiers?” should not be allowed to stand unchallenged, and it’s going to take veterans to do it. This faux hero worship needs to end. I think a lot of it is going to require veterans to stop participating in a lot of the events that pay some honor to them. It’s one thing to have Veterans Day, it’s another to have soldiers brought up at numerous events.

I agree.

On Memorial Day in here in my village, the town invited a speaker who was a recently-retired Navy Commander who lives in the next town. (They could have invited their veteran village trustee, but I am a liberal and was only enlisted.)

Seems innocent enough, having a military veteran speak about Memorial Day at the village cemetery where people are buried who served in the Spanish American War onwards.

Instead, wingnut retired commander goes off in his speech on gay marriage, wingnut bathroom panic over transgendered people, Benghazi, &c.

At the next village board meeting, even the conservative members of the village were appalled at the viciousness of what should have been a non-partisan Memorial Day speech. (He has indicated he will run for the County Board of Supervisors. I intend to cut that off by running against him if he does, to take away his Navy veteran card.)

I entered into the village board minutes a speech I gave at the meeting, the speech I would have given for Memorial Day if the board had invited me instead. No politics. The history of those buried on Rose Hill who died in combat, the meaning of Memorial Day (hint: it is not for veterans).

The town agreed they will not invite the retired commander back for another speech. (Still don’t know if they want me for Veterans Day, they still know I am the liberal Democrat.)

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Tigger2  Sep 8, 2016 • 8:46:18am

re: #314 lawhawk

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Read the whole tweet storm…

I have been blocking infowars idiots left and right because of the tweet I made to Donnie Jr. lol

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Varek Raith  Sep 8, 2016 • 8:46:23am

This is bullshit.
Go away July!
accuweather.com

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blueraven  Sep 8, 2016 • 8:46:36am

re: #315 dangerman

if i never tell you in advance what im trying to do, whatever happens is a win!

Unpredictable!

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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 8, 2016 • 8:46:44am

Alright I visited the break room and happened to view Fox News rehashing last night’s Matt Lauer shitshow by showing clips of the participants.

HILLARY WAS NOT WEARING AN EARBUD. IT IS A FAKE OUTRAGE (as usual)

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Anymouse  Sep 8, 2016 • 8:51:58am

re: #320 Varek Raith

This is bullshit.
Go away July!
accuweather.com

Too bad you don’t live in a real state like mine. /s accuweather.com

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Sep 8, 2016 • 8:53:05am

Fark had some funny comments about the Higher Number of Generals endorsing Clinton than Trump:

She has the most important endorsement, and that’s the one from Captain Obvious.

Also, one of the Generals endorsing Clinton has the best name: General Lloyd “Fig” Newton

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dangerman  Sep 8, 2016 • 8:54:43am

gary johnson is a more or less legitimate candidate for president on the ballot in 49 states. argue with legitimate if you like

hes gotten some serious press about whether he should be in the debates or not. argue with serious if you like

he was a state governor (go ahead, try and argue with that one)

he’s got ears and i assume he knows how to read

most every site i go to today i am constantly and repeatedly absolutely cosmically stunned that he isnt smarter than a fifth grader (let alone me) re Aleppo

major, serious, legitimate candidate for president
trump is johnson with a bigger machine behind him

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Sep 8, 2016 • 8:55:22am

re: #314 lawhawk

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Read the whole tweet storm…

This is good, too:

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Anymouse  Sep 8, 2016 • 8:57:13am

Spit.

Not the guy who had a Russian mole in his campaign, or his “military advisor” former General sitting next to Vladimir Putin and with Dr. Jill Stein to fete the 20th anniversary of Russia’s state-run media arm.

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dangerman  Sep 8, 2016 • 8:58:11am

re: #323 Anymouse

Too bad you don’t live in a real state like mine. /s accuweather.com

oh hell excluding the odd day here or there, it’s been close or over 90 here for about 4 months

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wrenchwench  Sep 8, 2016 • 8:59:16am

re: #325 dangerman

he was a state governor (go ahead, try and argue with that one)

OK, here goes:

It’s the poorest state in the tri-state region. The other two states are Chihuahua and Sonora.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Sep 8, 2016 • 9:00:40am

re: #329 wrenchwench

Wow, is Poverty in New Mexico really that bad?

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Jenner7  Sep 8, 2016 • 9:00:53am
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Belafon  Sep 8, 2016 • 9:01:13am

re: #327 Anymouse

Check the date. This was talked about earlier, and it was one guy who created a slide. I forget what happened to the person.

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Anymouse  Sep 8, 2016 • 9:02:01am

re: #328 dangerman

oh hell excluding the odd day here or there, it’s been close or over 90 here for about 4 months

Well, it is pretty hot here in July and August (which we spent in Canada to avoid the derp from the RNC).

Summer is pretty much over here now; temps at night are close to freezing. Will need to turn on my gas furnace soon.

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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 8, 2016 • 9:02:13am

re: #327 Anymouse

Spit.

Not the guy who had a Russian mole in his campaign, or his “military advisor” former General sitting next to Vladimir Putin and with Dr. Jill Stein to fete the 20th anniversary of Russia’s state-run media arm.

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That was one person altering a training slide (as a joke?). That training slide has been removed from the course material. No word on whether that person has been sacked.

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wrenchwench  Sep 8, 2016 • 9:02:42am

re: #330 Ziggy_TARDIS

Wow, is Poverty in New Mexico really that bad?

We just can’t beat Mississippi. We’re not number one in anything, except Nothing.

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Decatur Deb  Sep 8, 2016 • 9:02:54am

re: #331 Jenner7

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During Trump’s intel briefing, Flynn interrupted repeatedly—Christie asked him to calm down nbcnews.to

Trump & Co attend these briefings to inform the intelligence community. He has the best intelligence.

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Decatur Deb  Sep 8, 2016 • 9:03:51am

re: #334 The Vicious Babushka

That was one person altering a training slide (as a joke?). That training slide has been removed from the course material. No word on whether that person has been sacked.

By now the person responsible for sacking him is doing briefings at Camp Casey.

en.wikipedia.org

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BeachDem  Sep 8, 2016 • 9:03:53am

re: #257 Belafon

According to Daily Kos, Clinton did a press conference (part1, part2). I like these:

So they FINALLY get their press conference and they ask the most insipid, idiotic questions possible. So typical—so depressing.

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Anymouse  Sep 8, 2016 • 9:05:10am

re: #332 Belafon

Check the date. This was talked about earlier, and it was one guy who created a slide. I forget what happened to the person.

It’s several days old. That said, I have no idea what Julian Assange or Wikileaks have against Hillary Clinton. She isn’t the one hobnobbing at Russian propaganda events (that would be Trump’s advisor and the Green Party candidate pilloried by Russia’s Green Party for whitewashing human rights abuses in Russia).

Did Hillary Clinton swipe Julian Assange’s pacifier?

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dangerman  Sep 8, 2016 • 9:05:24am

clinton on preibus on clinton:

preibus: “@Hillary Clinton was angry + defensive the entire time — no smile and uncomfortable,”

clinton: “Actually, that’s just what taking the office of President seriously looks like.”

from this at cnn

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Sep 8, 2016 • 9:06:32am

re: #335 wrenchwench

Well, considering Mississippi compares worse than most former soviet republics in Central Asia, that ‘s not surprising.

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Le Lapin Tueur  Sep 8, 2016 • 9:08:02am

re: #223 Decatur Deb

Is it even possible to “have something” on someone as organically shameless as Trump? If there’s a sex tape, it’s the biggest and best sex tape, so sexy it’ll make you sick of sex tapes.

Pretty sure I’m already sick of sex tapes and I’ve never seen one…

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Belafon  Sep 8, 2016 • 9:08:33am

re: #339 Anymouse

It’s several days old. That said, I have no idea what Julian Assange or Wikileaks have against Hillary Clinton. She isn’t the one hobnobbing at Russian propaganda events (that would be Trump’s advisor and the Green Party candidate pilloried by Russia’s Green Party for whitewashing human rights abuses in Russia).

Did Hillary Clinton swipe Julian Assange’s pacifier?

If you assume that Assange and Wikileaks are getting their info from Russia, everything they do makes more sense.

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dangerman  Sep 8, 2016 • 9:09:07am

re: #338 BeachDem

So they FINALLY get their press conference and they ask the most insipid, idiotic questions possible. So typical—so depressing.

after enough of it at some point she is gonna say “really, thats what you want to ask me? this is serious business folks. up your game.”

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 8, 2016 • 9:09:18am

re: #326 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

My favorite part of the Bible is where Jesus gives money to the rich, tells the poor to suck it up and asks for Caesar’s birth certificate.

My favorite part is the joke about the Two Corinthians…

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lawhawk  Sep 8, 2016 • 9:10:15am

re: #319 Tigger2

Yeah, I’m starting to get a handful of those too. Criticizing govt is conspiracy. Yeah - except no. It isn’t.

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Anymouse  Sep 8, 2016 • 9:10:56am
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lawhawk  Sep 8, 2016 • 9:11:49am
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dangerman  Sep 8, 2016 • 9:12:04am

re: #344 dangerman

after enough of it at some point she is gonna say “really, thats what you want to ask me? this is serious business folks. up your game.”

or better:

“you waited 270 days to ask me that?”

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Anymouse  Sep 8, 2016 • 9:12:12am

re: #342 Le Lapin Tueur

Pretty sure I’m already sick of sex tapes and I’ve never seen one…

Really? I thought that was what the Internet was for. /s

As an erotic Romance editor, I assure you reading an erotic story is much more interesting than watching a sex tape anyway.

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dangerman  Sep 8, 2016 • 9:12:58am

re: #348 lawhawk

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“what took her so long”

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Belafon  Sep 8, 2016 • 9:13:20am

re: #347 Anymouse

I bet Trump didn’t know Allepo until this morning either, and he may still not know.

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dangerman  Sep 8, 2016 • 9:14:08am

re: #350 Anymouse

Really? I thought that was what the Internet was for. /s

As an erotic Romance editor, I assure you reading an erotic story is much more interesting than watching a sex tape anyway.

nope. that’s cat videos. and they’re gonna put moore’s law out of business

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Anymouse  Sep 8, 2016 • 9:15:23am

re: #352 Belafon

I bet Trump didn’t know Allepo until this morning either, and he may still not know.

Or Jill Stein:

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Sep 8, 2016 • 9:15:34am

re: #347 Anymouse

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#GaryJohnson isn’t aware of #Allepo

“Allepo”? I’m not aware of that either.

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dangerman  Sep 8, 2016 • 9:15:35am

gotta run
enjoy walking the path today

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Dr Lizardo  Sep 8, 2016 • 9:16:31am

re: #350 Anymouse

Really? I thought that was what the Internet was for. /s

As an erotic Romance editor, I assure you reading an erotic story is much more interesting than watching a sex tape anyway.

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Anymouse  Sep 8, 2016 • 9:16:50am

re: #353 dangerman

nope. that’s cat videos. and they’re gonna put moore’s law out of business

If cats start releasing sex tapes on the Internet, I will throw my ADSL modem in the trash and tell CenturyLink to cut off my Internet service.

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MsJ  Sep 8, 2016 • 9:17:10am

re: #180 dangerman

“he raised way more money than anyone thought he would so all the concerns about him not having enough money to be competitive are for the moment laid to rest”

otoh - he doesnt spend what he raised very wisely

It’s not what he raised…it’s that he raised. How could a buffoon like Trump get $90 mil from people? I do not get how that is possible.

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Jay in Oregon  Sep 8, 2016 • 9:18:52am

Trump on ISIS last night

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blueraven  Sep 8, 2016 • 9:19:08am

re: #327 Anymouse

Spit.

Not the guy who had a Russian mole in his campaign, or his “military advisor” former General sitting next to Vladimir Putin and with Dr. Jill Stein to fete the 20th anniversary of Russia’s state-run media arm.

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This is old news and snopes was on it before wikileaks.

WHAT’S TRUE: Hillary Clinton’s photograph was included in a U.S. Army training slide concerning security threats.

WHAT’S FALSE: This slide was used only by a single local Army unit and was not approved by leadership.

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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 8, 2016 • 9:20:01am

re: #223 Decatur Deb

Is it even possible to “have something” on someone as organically shameless as Trump? If there’s a sex tape, it’s the biggest and best sex tape, so sexy it’ll make you sick of sex tapes.

If there is “something” on Trump it wouldn’t be a sex tape, it would be a promissory note.

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CriticalDragon1177  Sep 8, 2016 • 9:20:51am

Charles Johnson,

Donald Trump is going to make such a horrible president if he wins. I really hope that we are spared such a nightmare. Get out there guys and vote for Hillary. Like it or not, she’s our only hope right now of stopping a Trump presidency.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Sep 8, 2016 • 9:22:04am

re: #358 Anymouse

At that point, I would start actively trying to bring 433 Eros to Earth.

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Targetpractice  Sep 8, 2016 • 9:23:46am

re: #338 BeachDem

So they FINALLY get their press conference and they ask the most insipid, idiotic questions possible. So typical—so depressing.

Pretty much what Pierce said would happen: Press get their conference, proceed to ask a whole bunch of stupid questions about topics nobody but them give a shit about.

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Anymouse  Sep 8, 2016 • 9:25:58am

re: #357 Dr Lizardo

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Dr. Matt  Sep 8, 2016 • 9:26:07am

OH FFS, the Hillary earpiece bullshit is now spreading like wildfire. It’s only a matter of time before Morning Joke and the Blonde Puppet host a summit to discuss this pressing issue.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 8, 2016 • 9:30:37am

re: #367 Dr. Matt

OH FFS, the Hillary earpiece bullshit is now spreading like wildfire. It’s only a matter of time before Morning Joke and the Blonde Puppet host a summit to discuss this pressing issue.

Is Hillary going deaf from all the coughing?

It would be irresponsible not to disseminate that all over the world.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Sep 8, 2016 • 9:31:29am

re: #366 Anymouse

Calvinism occupies the same place in Christianity that the Hanbalis do in Islam.

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retired cynic  Sep 8, 2016 • 9:31:31am

re: #331 Jenner7

I know why their body language was unhappy.

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Belafon  Sep 8, 2016 • 9:32:20am

re: #367 Dr. Matt

OH FFS, the Hillary earpiece bullshit is now spreading like wildfire. It’s only a matter of time before Morning Joke and the Blonde Puppet host a summit to discuss this pressing issue.

Is there any proof? Anything even remotely useful?

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Stanley Sea  Sep 8, 2016 • 9:34:27am

re: #370 retired cynic

I know why their body language was unhappy.

Exactly! LOL, this is just too much.

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Targetpractice  Sep 8, 2016 • 9:34:29am

Rove wishes he had a media as pliable as the one the Trumps enjoy. He had to work his ass off to cover his tracks when starting a whisper campaign against McCain and Kerry. The Trumps just say whatever stupid shit comes to mind and the media runs with it.

Hillary’s cough might be a sign of a serious illness? RUN THAT, BABY!

Hillary used an earpiece during the Forum? RUN THAT, BABY!

What next, she’s got an illegitimate child by Vince Foster? Oh shit, I just gave the New York Times their next frontpage story…

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 8, 2016 • 9:36:17am

re: #373 Targetpractice

What next, she’s got an illegitimate child by Vince Foster? Oh shit, I just gave the New York Times their next frontpage story…

Totally wrong: SHE impregnated Vince Foster!!!

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Dr Lizardo  Sep 8, 2016 • 9:36:32am

re: #366 Anymouse

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Thanks for that.

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Targetpractice  Sep 8, 2016 • 9:38:39am

re: #374 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Totally wrong: SHE impregnated Vince Foster!!!

“This just in, new information from an anonymous source (*couAlexJonesgh*) that Hillary and Huma have a secret lesbian love child that was the reason for her ending her marriage with Weiner. We have no corroborating evidence of this, but we cannot allow that to stop us from months of endless speculation and insistence that the Clintons must prove us wrong.”

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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 8, 2016 • 9:42:07am
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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 8, 2016 • 9:44:18am
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BeachDem  Sep 8, 2016 • 9:44:28am

re: #344 dangerman

after enough of it at some point she is gonna say “really, thats what you want to ask me? this is serious business folks. up your game.”

And the New York Times will lead with:

NOW WE KNOW WHY HILLARY DOESN’T HAVE PRESS CONFERENCES

That headline will be replaced 5 minutes later (with no acknowledgement) with

HILLARY INSULTS PRESS, REFUSES TO ANSWER QUESTIONS

And the body of the article will say something like, “What is Hillary hiding? Why can’t she be more like Trump, who goes out of his way to court the press—even waking up early and calling into morning shows, while Hillary sleeps till noon.

I wish I could add sarcasm //, but it’s only a matter of time…

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lawhawk  Sep 8, 2016 • 9:49:44am
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The Trump security briefing turns out to have been as much of a shitshow as anyone has a right to expect. It’s Trump.

Christie played the peacemaker, while Flynn tried to take charge (Al Haig moment?) while Trump didn’t know what to ask.

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Dr. Matt  Sep 8, 2016 • 9:49:56am

Odd….no earpiece.

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Anymouse  Sep 8, 2016 • 9:50:51am

I was sidetracked by a telephone call, asking about when I would get a newsletter I am editing formatted and ready for the printer.

I had to explain again I have never done that; I edit articles and stories. I have never once put together a newsletter for printing.

I don’t know why this is so hard; the national office gave her bad information about me and I haven’t been able to tell her otherwise.

Said newsletter is supposed to go to the printer in a week; I am still wrestling with Microsoft Publisher.

I’m doomed, and I am not even being paid for this,

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Big Beautiful Door  Sep 8, 2016 • 9:50:55am

Trump double standard: Gary Johnson doesn’t know where Aleppo is, and gets mocked. Last night, Trump knows nothing, and everybody just shrugs it off. This is not normal.

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lawhawk  Sep 8, 2016 • 9:51:07am

re: #381 Dr. Matt

Trump, on the other hand, has an earwig. /sarcasm not sarcasm.

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BeachDem  Sep 8, 2016 • 9:55:04am

re: #381 Dr. Matt

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Odd….no earpiece.

Check her earrings for mini-mics.

Not to be logical, but who do they think could have been feeding her answers who would know more about what she was talking about than Hillary? The whole concept is ludicrous.

However, it is the perfect prelude for Trump actually doing it during the debates and then a “both sides do it” conversation among the media stooges for three or four days.

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MsJ  Sep 8, 2016 • 9:55:23am

re: #300 Anymouse

stripes.com

Stars and Stripes weighs in on last night’s questioning of Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump.

They also have a chart in the article on how many (retired) officers of each service have endorsed each candidate.

The overwhelming majority of Army and Marine Corps officers have endorsed Mrs. Clinton; the reverse is true for the Navy and the Air Force (though far fewer officers of those services endorsed either candidate).

I am not big on retired military officers endorsing candidates using their military service or rank as the reason for the endorsement.

I am a strong proponent of the idea the military is subservient to the civilian government. Though I support Hillary Clinton, I have not come out locally and said “I endorse Hillary Clinton.” (I suppose that makes me a hypocrite.)

Damn, sometimes wrestling with moral positions is tough. I don’t want to endorse a political candidate, because of my military affirmation, but at the same time I don’t want a fascist wannabe elected.

So basically ground troops prefer Hillary.

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Belafon  Sep 8, 2016 • 9:57:35am

re: #386 MsJ

So basically ground troops prefer Hillary.

We had the conversation about “assumptions” earlier.

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MsJ  Sep 8, 2016 • 9:58:47am

re: #325 dangerman

gary johnson is a more or less legitimate candidate for president on the ballot in 49 states. argue with legitimate if you like
…
major, serious, legitimate candidate for president
trump is johnson with a bigger machine behind him

Precisely what I was thinking this morning when I saw his blunder.

To be honest, he is better qualified than Trump.

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Decatur Deb  Sep 8, 2016 • 9:58:53am

re: #386 MsJ

So basically ground troops prefer Hillary.

Remembering that the Army is overwhelmingly the largest service.

globalsecurity.org

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Great White Snark  Sep 8, 2016 • 10:00:43am

re: #313 Ziggy_TARDIS

The last up close naval action the US had was the Persian Gulf War, and we haven’t had an Air-to-Air battle of any significance since Kosovo.

I’d not be hasty to be judgemental about that especially in an election where RETIRED generals are endorsing whom they please. There is very good reason the Navy and AF have not had a pitched huge fight. One, we have avoided a superpower v superpower fight, and that my fellow lizard is a very good thing. Smaller nations do not challenge air and sea dominance. And the point in part of a military force is deterrence. AKA nobody died in a hellstorm

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Sir John Barron  Sep 8, 2016 • 10:03:18am

re: #380 lawhawk

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The Trump security briefing turns out to have been as much of a shitshow as anyone has a right to expect. It’s Trump.

Christie played the peacemaker, while Flynn tried to take charge (Al Haig moment?) while Trump didn’t know what to ask.

Chris Christie the grown-up in that circle.

Mr. Bridgegate dude.

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Belafon  Sep 8, 2016 • 10:04:41am

“Clinton should do more pressers!” “Why is Clinton doing a presser?”

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Anymouse  Sep 8, 2016 • 10:04:51am

re: #390 Great White Snark

I’d not vbe hasty to be judgemental about that especially in an election where RETIRED generals are endorsing whom they please. There is very good reason the Navy and AF have not had a pitched huge fight. One, we have avoided a superpower v superpower fight, and that my fellow lizard is a very good thing. Smaller nations do not challenge air and sea dominance. And the point in part of a military force is deterrence. AKA nobody died in a hellstorm

Well, my home is surrounded by ICBM silos. In the event someone wants to throw a big Forth of July rocket launch, I guess I will set up my lawn chairs and pop some popcorn.

Hiding where I live would be pretty much pointless; presumably every silo has at least one and probably more missiles targeted back on it.

This little spot would be one big smoking hole in the Nebraska Sandhills. On the other side, instead of the Sweet Meteor of Death, perhaps that would set off the Yellowstone Cadera.

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BeachDem  Sep 8, 2016 • 10:06:01am

Charles P. Pierce aptly describes Trump:

One of the major party candidates is a boastful ignoramus. This is now beyond dispute. This is the one immutable fact of the matter from now until November. This is now the challenge for our political system, including the journalists tasked to cover it. There no longer is any reason to give him the benefit of the doubt on any question. He will not pivot. He will not moderate. He will not learn. He knows everything he needs to know. Just ask him. He doesn’t know what he doesn’t know and he’s proud that he doesn’t know it.

esquire.com

This paragraph should be repeated every day, by every media person, print and broadcast alike, for the next two months.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Sep 8, 2016 • 10:06:17am

re: #392 Belafon

“Clinton should do more pressers!” “Why is Clinton doing a presser?”

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What sexism?

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 8, 2016 • 10:06:29am

re: #391 Sir John Barron

Chris Christie the grown-up in that circle.

Mr. Bridgegate dude.

To think that there was a time when I would at least have considered CC as a Presidential candidate. That was a long time ago, back when he told critics to go piss up a rope over their criticism of his appointing a Muslim state judge and had no trouble working together with Obama on Sandy relief.

But that was many, many cheeseburgers ago…

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Sep 8, 2016 • 10:06:47am

Mexico threatens to cancel treaty that ceded Texas and California to US if Trump gets elected

In the past, Trump has threatened to cancel the North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA), claiming it was bad policy that hurt the U.S. manufacturing industry. If Trump were to do this, however, Piter’s bill would trigger a review and possible cancelation of all of the bilateral agreements between Mexico and the U.S.

The bill Piter is proposing would specifically cancel the 1848 Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo, which ended the Mexican-American War and ceded Texas and California as well as parts of Arizona, Colorado, New Mexico, Nevada, Utah and Wyoming to the U.S. if Trump cancels NAFTA.

“The goal is to foresee and prevent any negative effects on Mexico if Trump becomes president of the United States,” he said.

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MsJ  Sep 8, 2016 • 10:07:13am

re: #391 Sir John Barron

Chris Christie the grown-up in that circle.

Mr. Bridgegate dude.

Talk about perspective.

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Sir John Barron  Sep 8, 2016 • 10:07:31am

re: #394 BeachDem

Charles P. Pierce aptly describes Trump:

esquire.com

This paragraph should be repeated every day, by every media person, print and broadcast alike, for the next two months.

Also this is your periodic reminder that Trump named the head of Breitbart as his campaign CEO.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 8, 2016 • 10:07:57am

re: #394 BeachDem

Charles P. Pierce aptly describes Trump:

esquire.com

This paragraph should be repeated every day, by every media person, print and broadcast alike, for the next two months.

and add the fact that he has no record of public service or elected office to refer to.

Why is this not being shouted from the rooftops, or are they all full of cheering jihadis?

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Anymouse  Sep 8, 2016 • 10:08:23am

re: #395 klys (maker of Silmarils)

What sexism?

/

I suspect more “Clintonism” than sexism, though the latter gets some traction also, such as Reince Preibus’s tweet after the event saying she doesn’t smile.

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Sir John Barron  Sep 8, 2016 • 10:08:32am

re: #392 Belafon

“Clinton should do more pressers!” “Why is Clinton doing a presser?”

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[media]It’s been 372 days since Hillary did a presser…Hillary doing a presser proves she’s desperate.[/media]

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lawhawk  Sep 8, 2016 • 10:08:39am

re: #390 Great White Snark

I’d not be hasty to be judgemental about that especially in an election where RETIRED generals are endorsing whom they please. There is very good reason the Navy and AF have not had a pitched huge fight. One, we have avoided a superpower v superpower fight, and that my fellow lizard is a very good thing. Smaller nations do not challenge air and sea dominance. And the point in part of a military force is deterrence. AKA nobody died in a hellstorm

Smaller/weaker foes will move to fight asymettrically - fight with your strengths against their weaknesses. It’s why terror groups and insurgencies can gain ground against regular armies - they aren’t fighting a fair fight.

There’s no such thing as a fair fight in warfare. It’s your job to give your forces as unfair a fight as possible - for the US it means thru technical prowess, standoff weapons, and firepower. For terror groups, it means using IEDs and suicide bombers, and lone wolf attacks against soft targets. Different goals/accountabilities also play into this.

It’s the reason Russia doesn’t have carrier fleet size of US and has spent considerably on anti-ship weapons (torpedoes, cruise missiles, etc.). It’s why the US has spent on carrier task forces and subs. It’s why China is building a small carrier fleet. It’s why Taiwan is buying/building subs.

Moves and countermoves. And Trump doesn’t know from any of it.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Sep 8, 2016 • 10:09:18am

re: #400 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

and add the fact that he has no record of public service or elected office to refer to.

Why is this not being shouted from the rooftops, or are they all full of cheering jihadis?

You keep making the assumption that people actually give a shit about that, which assumes facts not in evidence at this point.

For a lot of his supporters, evidence seems to suggest that they’re very happy about the fact that he’s an “outsider.”

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 8, 2016 • 10:10:31am

re: #404 klys (maker of Silmarils)

You keep making the assumption that people actually give a shit about that, which assumes facts not in evidence at this point.

For a lot of his supporters, evidence seems to suggest that they’re very happy about the fact that he’s an “outsider.”

to his fans, that is a feature, not a bug…remember, they hate the GOP nearly as much as they hate the Democrats and are voting Trump to spite both parties.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Sep 8, 2016 • 10:11:54am

re: #401 Anymouse

I suspect more “Clintonism” than sexism, though the latter gets some traction also, such as Reince Preibus’s tweet after the event saying she doesn’t smile.

How many times did Lauer interrupt Hillary last night, compared to Trump? What standard is she being held to compared to his?

There is a shit ton of sexism at play here and a lot of it just isn’t being called out. But most women will tell you that the line you’re expected to be able to walk is so fine as to be non-existent, especially when you’re a strong woman pushing your way into what’s considered a “man’s” role.

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Bubblehead II  Sep 8, 2016 • 10:13:23am

HRC now speaking.Link

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Sep 8, 2016 • 10:14:37am

re: #397 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Mexico threatens to cancel treaty that ceded Texas and California to US if Trump gets elected

But we bought the Gadsden Purchase fair and square—so Southern Arizona would be buried deep in Mexico, like West Berlin.

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wrenchwench  Sep 8, 2016 • 10:14:54am
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I’d read the whole thread of her comments on it, but I wish it were Storified somewhere so I didn’t have to see allllll the comments.

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lawhawk  Sep 8, 2016 • 10:15:59am

re: #352 Belafon

I bet Trump didn’t know Allepo until this morning either, and he may still not know.

Aleppo even.

That’s okay, the NYT made a mess of it’s own coverage.

Reply
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Ziggy_TARDIS  Sep 8, 2016 • 10:16:37am

re: #386 MsJ

That’s what I said, in a more acerbic tone.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Sep 8, 2016 • 10:20:34am

re: #381 Dr. Matt

Trump got caught with one a few days ago so their plan is to photoshop one on Hillary.

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Anymouse  Sep 8, 2016 • 10:41:12am

re: #406 klys (maker of Silmarils)

How many times did Lauer interrupt Hillary last night, compared to Trump? What standard is she being held to compared to his?

There is a shit ton of sexism at play here and a lot of it just isn’t being called out. But most women will tell you that the line you’re expected to be able to walk is so fine as to be non-existent, especially when you’re a strong woman pushing your way into what’s considered a “man’s” role.

Lemme ask my wife about that. /s

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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 8, 2016 • 10:59:04am

re: #397 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Mexico threatens to cancel treaty that ceded Texas and California to US if Trump gets elected

I was really surprised to see that is not from The Onion.

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Tigger2  Sep 8, 2016 • 1:33:37pm

re: #392 Belafon

“Clinton should do more pressers!” “Why is Clinton doing a presser?”

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Jebediah, RBG  Sep 8, 2016 • 2:01:05pm

re: #416 Tigger2

I don’t think he can “grow up” - I think he is in over his head, and incapable of doing the job we think he should be doing.


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