Hillary Clinton’s Pneumonia: The Real Story

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As the media gear up for a week of faux agonizing over Hillary Clinton not telling them she had pneumonia right away! as soon as she knew! because they deserve to know!… here’s what I see as the most important part of today’s story. It only takes 16 words to say it, but this is why I’m supporting Hillary Clinton for president.

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Hillary is a symbol of every woman and mother who’s ever gone to work with the flu, or gotten up before dawn to make their kids breakfast before school when they were exhausted from working long hours with the flu, or put up with a humiliating job when they were feeling terrible. This is what so many women do, every day, in this country and in the world; they carry on despite the pain and despite the sickness, and do what they know is the right thing.

This is why I’m with her.

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teleskiguy  Sep 11, 2016 • 7:29:01pm

Well said, Charles.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 11, 2016 • 7:31:13pm

Shut the fuck up you commie Liberal pussy! Hilary is dying and you’re too afraid to admit it!

Seriously, fuck these people and fuck this election cycle. I’m so over it.

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Belafon  Sep 11, 2016 • 7:32:33pm

re: #2 Eclectic Cyborg

I’m not over it until the election’s over.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Sep 11, 2016 • 7:34:10pm

The only thing I’m going to say today, because like Hillary, I respect the occasion.

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Targetpractice  Sep 11, 2016 • 7:34:51pm

It’s not so much the “She’s dying of a wasting illness!” derp from the wingnuts that’s driving me up the wall as it is the “She should give us her entire medical history so we can be sure she’s absolutely healthy!” bar that seems to be only imposed upon her. Used to be we took the word of a personal physician, now the press demands total access to a candidate’s medical records so they can be run past “medical experts.”

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insert_funny  Sep 11, 2016 • 7:35:54pm

*stands up and applauds*

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Lidane  Sep 11, 2016 • 7:39:58pm
Hillary is a symbol of every woman and mother who’s ever gone to work with the flu, or gotten up before dawn to make their kids breakfast before school when they were exhausted from working long hours with the flu, or put up with a humiliating job when they were feeling terrible. This is what so many women do, every day, in this country and in the world; they carry on despite the pain and despite the sickness.

*raises hand*

I can count my sick days since 2012 on one hand. I have gotten up and gone to work through migraine headaches, severe menstrual issues, colds, allergies, bouts of the flu, kidney stones, and even through one round of walking pneumonia. Why? Because drugs and antibiotics exist. That’s why. And because some of those jobs I had were horrible hourly gigs where if I didn’t work, I didn’t get paid, and I was barely making enough to get by as it was. The only thing that ever knocked me out was a bout of food poisoning.

The fact that Hillary can run for POTUS while dealing with pneumonia makes me respect her more. I totally get the refusal to let something that’s easily treatable keep you from doing your job.

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teleskiguy  Sep 11, 2016 • 7:41:59pm

re: #5 Targetpractice

It’s not so much the “She’s dying of a wasting illness!” derp from the wingnuts that’s driving me up the wall as it is the “She should give us her entire medical history so we can be sure she’s absolutely healthy!” bar that seems to be only imposed upon her. Used to be we took the word of a personal physician, now the press demands total access to a candidate’s medical records so they can be run past “medical experts.”

The double standard is on full display simply by virtue of gender. Another great reason I’m glad it’s her going for it. If there’s a woman politician running for president in the United States today that has rhino-thick skin and can tussle with her policy wonk side, pneumonia, endless travel, speaking engagements, interviews, I can’t think of anyone more ready for the job than Hillary Clinton.

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Sherlock Hound  Sep 11, 2016 • 7:45:16pm

My foster Mom, a great lady whom I miss very much, insisted on making breakfast one day. She had eye surgery the day before!
I’ll never know, from the 400 children she fostered and cared for, how many times over the years she made herself get up and do things.

I don’t know who she’d vote for if she was still with us, but I know we’d be talking about Hillary’s stamina, and hers!

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missliberties  Sep 11, 2016 • 7:49:33pm

Hillary is tough and smart.
Also, exceptionally qualified.
I agree with Charles, that she showed up is a testament to her dedication and strength. I hope she gives herself enough time to recover fully and get some rest.

I just read the comments on the so called intellectual right, Powerline Blog. The conspiracy theories are completely deplorable. I need to take a bath, then medidate for an hour to recover.

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Targetpractice  Sep 11, 2016 • 7:52:04pm

re: #7 Lidane

*raises hand*

I can count my sick days since 2012 on one hand. I have gotten up and gone to work through migraine headaches, severe menstrual issues, colds, allergies, bouts of the flu, kidney stones, and even through one round of walking pneumonia. Why? Because drugs and antibiotics exist. That’s why. And because some of those jobs I had were horrible hourly gigs where if I didn’t work, I didn’t get paid, and I was barely making enough to get by as it was. The only thing that ever knocked me out was a bout of food poisoning.

The fact that Hillary can run for POTUS while dealing with pneumonia makes me respect her more. I totally get the refusal to let something that’s easily treatable keep you from doing your job.

Awesome point right there, one I wish she’d bring up tomorrow to deal with the media scrum: “I’m doing nothing more than millions of Americans do every day, out working when I should be at home on sick leave. If you think that a woman of my age working with pneumonia is bad, think about the millions of people going to work sick because they have no choice, it’s the only way they bring money into their home. Donald Trump will tell you that the only people who do that are illegal immigrants, but that is a lie that businessmen like him exploit every day to make obscene profits off the suffering of hardworking Americans. So long as we continue to go without federally mandated sick leave, those people will continue to do what I’m doing: Go on working when their doctors would rather they were at home in bed.”

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allegro  Sep 11, 2016 • 7:52:34pm

I’m beat after having company all day, feeding them burgers and plying them with wine, watching football and walking the dog a couple of times. I know, hard life. Presented with just one day of Hillary’s schedule and oh, hell no. And that’s without a sniffle.

She continues to impress.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 11, 2016 • 7:53:29pm

re: #7 Lidane

And because some of those jobs I had were horrible hourly gigs where if I didn’t work, I didn’t get paid, and I was barely making enough to get by as it was.

THIS.

Even now that I have a job where PTO is possible, trying to take it at a moments notice can be extremely difficult. There have been a lot of times I’ve had to show up and soldier on because the company has left me no choice. One time I rather epically chewed out a senior manager who told me I should be at home.

Yeah, you’re right I should be, but because you and your buddies see fit to practically work us to the bone AND there’s no PTO available, I don’t have a choice lest may family starve, so how about backing the fuck off and leaving me alone, okay?

I was never reprimanded.

Oh and here’s the best part: The senior manager in question gets around two MONTHS vacation time every year.

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Charles Johnson  Sep 11, 2016 • 7:56:42pm
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Targetpractice  Sep 11, 2016 • 7:57:43pm

re: #14 Charles Johnson

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I give him an hour…but only if they can keep him distracted that long with the laser pointer.

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jhncsy  Sep 11, 2016 • 7:59:52pm

Christ, can you imagine the shitshow if Clinton had bowed out due to illness? Not to spit on her dedication to the job, but she doesn’t really have a choice, does she? And now we’re due for a headline where Clinton getting pneumonia somehow makes her unfit for the office.

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teleskiguy  Sep 11, 2016 • 8:01:26pm

re: #15 Targetpractice

I give him an hour…but only if they can keep him distracted that long with the laser pointer.

I was a little more generous.

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teleskiguy  Sep 11, 2016 • 8:03:44pm

It’s creepy that The Donald™ has kept a low profile on this solemn day. If the guy had any class - which he doesn’t - he would have tweeted a “get well” tweet of some sort to his opponent. So far, nothing. Deafening silence. Creepy.

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KGxvi  Sep 11, 2016 • 8:06:23pm

re: #18 teleskiguy

It’s creepy that The Donald™ has kept a low profile on this solemn day. If the guy had any class - which he doesn’t - he would have tweeted a “get well” tweet of some sort to his opponent. So far, nothing. Deafening silence. Creepy.

Perhaps a staffer got a hold of his phone and won’t give it back, or changed all his passwords from “password” to “guest”.

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Lidane  Sep 11, 2016 • 8:06:33pm

re: #16 jhncsy

Christ, can you imagine the shitshow if Clinton had bowed out due to illness? Not to spit on her dedication to the job, but she doesn’t really have a choice, does she? And now we’re due for a headline where Clinton getting pneumonia somehow makes her unfit for the office.

RWNJ ghouls are already using the pneumonia diagnosis to say that she’s got advanced Parkinson’s and that she’s done for. And media hacks like David Shuster are saying that the Dems are going to call an emergency meeting to find a replacement.

What. The. Fuck. She’s got walking pneumonia, not terminal cancer. These people are sick.

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Feline Fearless Leader  Sep 11, 2016 • 8:08:09pm

Downloaded a few photos from the hike today.

Footbridge over the Delaware at Lumberville
Looking upstream - Delaware River
Monarch Butterfly
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Unabogie  Sep 11, 2016 • 8:08:44pm

re: #18 teleskiguy

What does it say that a tweet like that would be completely out of character for a prospective president?

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Lidane  Sep 11, 2016 • 8:09:51pm
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Targetpractice  Sep 11, 2016 • 8:09:59pm

re: #16 jhncsy

Christ, can you imagine the shitshow if Clinton had bowed out due to illness? Not to spit on her dedication to the job, but she doesn’t really have a choice, does she? And now we’re due for a headline where Clinton getting pneumonia somehow makes her unfit for the office.

She tells the press today that she’s got pneumonia and they’re already prepared to give her the last rites. If she’d announced that she was sick on Friday and said she was going to have to bow out of the ceremony, they’d have spent Friday night and all day Saturday speculating how she’d be announcing her departure from the race “any day now.”

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Great White Snark  Sep 11, 2016 • 8:13:15pm
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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Sep 11, 2016 • 8:13:26pm

if trump had a speck of graciousness in his soul he would have issued condolences by now

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teleskiguy  Sep 11, 2016 • 8:14:05pm

re: #19 KGxvi

Perhaps a staffer got a hold of his phone and won’t give it back, or changed all his passwords from “password” to “guest”.

Spaceballs 12345

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Great White Snark  Sep 11, 2016 • 8:15:03pm

re: #21 Feline Fearless Leader

Downloaded a few photos from the hike today.

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You are getting better and better at this. Well done.

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teleskiguy  Sep 11, 2016 • 8:17:38pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 11, 2016 • 8:18:39pm

re: #27 teleskiguy

Well we can definitively say Trump is surrounded by assholes.

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KGxvi  Sep 11, 2016 • 8:20:20pm

re: #27 teleskiguy

I was thinking more of this:

Archer - Mole Hunt - Hacking scene

Or this:

But can’t go wrong with Mel Brooks

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Sep 11, 2016 • 8:20:23pm

I just don’t think this is going to make any difference—at least not in the direction the assholes hope. They’ll frantically tell each other more and more fantastic stories about how Hillary’s dying—maybe this one time it’s lupus! Meanwhile they’re further alienating women…and anyone who’s ever been sick. Together, not a small demographic!

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Ace-o-aces  Sep 11, 2016 • 8:20:31pm
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teleskiguy  Sep 11, 2016 • 8:21:46pm

re: #30 Eclectic Cyborg

Well we can definitively say Trump is surrounded by assholes.

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Interesting Times  Sep 11, 2016 • 8:21:52pm

re: #11 Targetpractice

Awesome point right there, one I wish she’d bring up tomorrow to deal with the media scrum: “I’m doing nothing more than millions of Americans do every day, out working when I should be at home on sick leave. If you think that a woman of my age working with pneumonia is bad, think about the millions of people going to work sick because they have no choice, it’s the only way they bring money into their home. Donald Trump will tell you that the only people who do that are illegal immigrants, but that is a lie that businessmen like him exploit every day to make obscene profits off the suffering of hardworking Americans. So long as we continue to go without federally mandated sick leave, those people will continue to do what I’m doing: Go on working when their doctors would rather they were at home in bed.”

Love this! Very Elizabeth Warren-esque. In fact, she did say something similar during the primaries, in response to Ted Cruz bemoaning the “significant sacrifices” of running a campaign:

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Read the whole thing for the entire tweetstorm.

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Mattand  Sep 11, 2016 • 8:28:59pm

re: #14 Charles Johnson

Instead of coming out punching, plan is for Trump & Co. to refrain from commenting on her illness.

I just skimmed through the article.

Jesus Fucking Christ, are these people serious????

I just love the passage near the bottom of the article: Trump’s outspokenness is known to cause controversy.

Just. Wow. Swear to Chtullu, if I was more paranoid, I believe that the MSM secretly wants Trump to win. The man is a fucking walking billboard for white nationalism and the id of every American racist, and he gets a fucking pass.

Every.

Single.

Time.

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Targetpractice  Sep 11, 2016 • 8:30:32pm

Hillary took what I consider the most presidential route of the four possible after the doctor diagnosing her on Friday: She gambled that she could push through the appearance at the memorial without incident.

If she’d bowed out without explaining why, the press would have savaged her with speculation about her being deathly ill.

If she announced she was ill and that was the reason she was bowing out, Trump would have had a field-day with the announcement.

And if she’d announced she was sick but would still make an appearance, the entire focus this morning would have been on her, the press circling her like vultures/paparazzi in the hopes of getting that image of her collapsing to the ground.

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scottslemmons  Sep 11, 2016 • 8:35:00pm

re: #36 Mattand

Just. Wow. Swear to Chtullu, if I was more paranoid, I believe that the MSM secretly wants Trump to win.

Damn straight they want him to win. Trump is a ratings bonanza for the press, whether they’re reporting good stuff or bad stuff. And the media realized that if they can help him into the White House, they’ll be able to keep the ratings jackpot going for another four solid years, maybe longer.

They’re willing to put a fascist in charge of the country for the sake of the Neilsens.

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Mattand  Sep 11, 2016 • 8:35:07pm

re: #37 Targetpractice

Hillary took what I consider the most presidential route of the four possible after the doctor diagnosing her on Friday: She gambled that she could push through the appearance at the memorial without incident.

If she’d bowed out without explaining why, the press would have savaged her with speculation about her being deathly ill.

If she announced she was ill and that was the reason she was bowing out, Trump would have had a field-day with the announcement.

And if she’d announced she was sick but would still make an appearance, the entire focus this morning would have been on her, the press circling her like vultures/paparazzi in the hopes of getting that image of her collapsing to the ground.

I turned to the better half today and said straight up that Trump probably won the election today. I’m basing that on how the press lately has been gunning for HRC while giving Fuckface VonClownstick a pass for pretty much everything he’s done since last year.

I’m also basing it on how fucking stupid Americans are when it comes to critically thinking about choosing candidates.

As always, I hope I’m wrong, but I’m getting that sick feeling in my stomach that I got in 2000 and 2004.

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Mattand  Sep 11, 2016 • 8:35:34pm

re: #38 scottslemmons

They’re willing to put a fascist in charge of the country for the sake of the Neilsens.

Yup.

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Charles Johnson  Sep 11, 2016 • 8:36:45pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 11, 2016 • 8:38:21pm

re: #38 scottslemmons

Fuckin’ A man, fucking A.

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teleskiguy  Sep 11, 2016 • 8:38:50pm
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Stanley Sea  Sep 11, 2016 • 8:42:20pm

re: #38 scottslemmons

Damn straight they want him to win. Trump is a ratings bonanza for the press, whether they’re reporting good stuff or bad stuff. And the media realized that if they can help him into the White House, they’ll be able to keep the ratings jackpot going for another four solid years, maybe longer.

They’re willing to put a fascist in charge of the country for the sake of the Neilsens.

Afraid to say, most youngs do not know what the Nieilsens are or how that shit works.

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missliberties  Sep 11, 2016 • 8:42:52pm

re: #26 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

if trump had a speck of graciousness in his soul he would have issued condolences by now

You are assuming Trump has a soul?

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teleskiguy  Sep 11, 2016 • 8:45:50pm

re: #45 missliberties

You are assuming Trump has a soul?

Hey, nothing like giving a *thumbs up* at a funeral.

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BlueGrl21  Sep 11, 2016 • 8:48:01pm

Women work through pregnancy. Enough said.

Nothing compares to working through extreme morning sickness, every day. Nothing was like getting through my 7th month on my feet at work.

I fear nothing.

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Great White Snark  Sep 11, 2016 • 8:48:25pm

Well if there is one or two states that Hillary can safely skip a few visits I think California is one of them.

Chance of winning California’s 55 electoral votes

FiveThirtyEight
Hillary Clinton
99.0%
Donald Trump
1.0%

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Targetpractice  Sep 11, 2016 • 8:48:28pm

re: #38 scottslemmons

Damn straight they want him to win. Trump is a ratings bonanza for the press, whether they’re reporting good stuff or bad stuff. And the media realized that if they can help him into the White House, they’ll be able to keep the ratings jackpot going for another four solid years, maybe longer.

They’re willing to put a fascist in charge of the country for the sake of the Neilsens.

It’s a bit more than that: The media has been nursing a grudge against the Clintons since Whitewater went nowhere and Bill left office with the best approval poll numbers in a generation. They got a consolation prize in bringing down Gore, but they’ve made it their dream to totally destroy the Clintons in every possible way to ensure no lasting positive legacy. So to not only see Hillary defeated, but to be defeat by an utter clown like Trump, would be the prize they’ve dreamed about for decades.

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teleskiguy  Sep 11, 2016 • 8:49:36pm

Some of that good ol’ classic right wing humor.

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teleskiguy  Sep 11, 2016 • 8:52:27pm
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Alas, this is definitely not a normal campaign. *sigh*

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Targetpractice  Sep 11, 2016 • 8:54:16pm

re: #51 teleskiguy

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Alas, this is definitely not a normal campaign. *sigh*

Seriously? Can anyone think of a presidential campaign in recent memory where one candidate took time off for illness and the other wished them well? I can’t and I’ve been following politics for most of my adult life.

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Ace-o-aces  Sep 11, 2016 • 8:55:40pm
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teleskiguy  Sep 11, 2016 • 8:55:46pm

re: #52 Targetpractice

Seriously? Can anyone think of a presidential campaign in recent memory where one candidate took time off for illness and the other wished them well? I can’t and I’ve been following politics for most of my adult life.

I remember when John McCain “suspended” his campaign because the stock market was crashing. Yeah. Uh? That’s it. That’s all I got.

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Targetpractice  Sep 11, 2016 • 8:58:30pm

re: #53 Ace-o-aces

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The Secret Service train to deal with unexpected events in a quick and efficient manner. They’re not much good to a candidate if their response to the unexpected is to stand around in shock or run screaming in panic.

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retired cynic  Sep 11, 2016 • 9:01:07pm

re: #55 Targetpractice

The Secret Service train to deal with unexpected events in a quick and efficient manner. They’re not much good to a candidate if their response to the unexpected is to stand around in shock or run screaming in panic.

Plus, I am sure they knew her situation about being under the weather, and they and her staff were prepared.

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teleskiguy  Sep 11, 2016 • 9:03:35pm

Back when each network had to have their own mic.

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Stanley Sea  Sep 11, 2016 • 9:08:11pm

re: #57 teleskiguy

Back when each network had to have their own mic.

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haha, TODAY i read that he had a heart attack in the white house. Must have been this visit.

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Targetpractice  Sep 11, 2016 • 9:10:04pm

If JFK tried to run today, the press would have a field day with his various ailments. It would not be the image of the young and fit candidate, it would be the leper running for the White House. Same with FDR, the idea of a candidate in a wheelchair who uses leg braces for speaking appearances and has a specially-modified car to drive? They would have ripped him apart.

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BeachDem  Sep 11, 2016 • 9:10:58pm

And on Friday, while Hillary was working through the day with pneumonia, Trump was picking a Twitter fight with my man, Bakari Sellers.

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reply:

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article about Bakari:
speakstrategic.com

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danarchy  Sep 11, 2016 • 9:12:17pm

re: #59 Targetpractice

If JFK tried to run today, the press would have a field day with his various ailments. It would not be the image of the young and fit candidate, it would be the leper running for the White House. Same with FDR, the idea of a candidate in a wheelchair who uses leg braces for speaking appearances and has a specially-modified car to drive? They would have ripped him apart.

Not to mention both of their various infidelities. It is a different world, things like how well you might actually run the country are of secondary importance at best.

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blueraven  Sep 11, 2016 • 9:20:37pm

Beautiful post Charles. Thank you.

Otherwise, I am absolutely disgusted. Had family over all day…eating, drinking, laughing, football, tennis. I didn’t see much TV news. Now I am hearing this accusatory tone from the talking heads. Hillary didn’t tell the media she had pneumonia? What is she HIDING? Why can’t she tell the truth?

Sickening. No concern at all about her well being.

Then I see this tweet. Trump taking 9/11 funds. He is a cheap fraudster and hardly anyone in the media gives a shit.

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Targetpractice  Sep 11, 2016 • 9:20:40pm

I know at least one Bro who’s positively orgasmic over the events of today, because he thinks this means the end of Hillary’s campaign and the crushing of the DNC under the mighty tread of Trump. He wants Trump to win not because he supports the man, but simply because he figures the DNC will be “taught a lesson.” You know, the same “lesson” that he and other Naderites “taught” the DNC in 2000 and 2004, which they thought would mean a Nader or Sanders would be the party nominee in 2008 and then this year.

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DodgerFan1988  Sep 11, 2016 • 9:21:13pm

The Alt-Right are all over social media celebrating Hillary’s “illness” and hoping she’ll die before the elections. These scumbags are the lowest life forms on Earth.

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goddamnedfrank  Sep 11, 2016 • 9:21:35pm
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retired cynic  Sep 11, 2016 • 9:23:34pm

re: #65 goddamnedfrank

Oh, you went there!

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BeachDem  Sep 11, 2016 • 9:23:47pm

re: #20 Lidane

media hacks like David Shuster

Does David Schuster even have a job since Al Jazeera is gone? I couldn’t find one.

So I’m sure, if there were really “top Dems” and “Dem operatives” looking to spread stories about replacing Hillary, David Schuster would be top on their list for getting the word out. Uh huh. I guess it was him or Rage Furby—although, Schuster DOES still have a Twitter account.

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teleskiguy  Sep 11, 2016 • 9:23:54pm

My redneck friend in Salt Lake City just got done building this fuckin’ thing.

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BeachDem  Sep 11, 2016 • 9:33:23pm

re: #60 BeachDem

And on Friday, while Hillary was working through the day with pneumonia, Trump was picking a Twitter fight with my man, Bakari Sellers.

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reply:

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article about Bakari:
speakstrategic.com

Weird—the tweets didn’t post—but they are in the article anyway.

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goddamnedfrank  Sep 11, 2016 • 9:33:48pm

re: #66 retired cynic

Oh, you went there!

Yep, because he acts like someone with progressive cognitive dysfunction. Could be from his years of stimulant abuse, addiction to diet pills. Might be advanced stage syphilis from the years of whoring around he described as his own personal Viet Nam. Maybe it’s all three combined with the fact that he’s a massively obese 300 lb fatbody throwing mini-clots into his brain and having regular TIA’s.

Any way you slice it the guy is a lumbering behemoth who’s older than Hillary, and to any reasonable observer is clearly in very bad shape.

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Targetpractice  Sep 11, 2016 • 9:34:42pm

2008: “Oh, if only Obama would show us his birth certificate, these rumors would go away!”

2016: “Oh, if only Hillary would show us her medical records, these rumors would go away!”

Second verse, inane as the first…

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goddamnedfrank  Sep 11, 2016 • 9:38:16pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 11, 2016 • 9:38:43pm

re: #59 Targetpractice

I think Hillary could be President in a wheelchair. Do things Professor X style.

:P

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teleskiguy  Sep 11, 2016 • 9:39:44pm

re: #70 goddamnedfrank

The Donald™ says he’s 6’ 2” and about two hundo. I’m 5’ 9” and about a buck 70. He’s fucking lying. He’s over 250 lbs., maybe more. He’s not quite 300, but maybe 275? And the crippling gout and the onset of dementia … we’d be irresponsible not to speculate.

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blueraven  Sep 11, 2016 • 9:42:07pm

re: #69 BeachDem

Weird—the tweets didn’t post—but they are in the article anyway.

I have had this happen. I think it occurs when you post something after you embed a tweet. Maybe it has something to do with the “reply” button below the tweet?

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Sep 11, 2016 • 9:42:18pm

re: #68 teleskiguy

My redneck friend in Salt Lake City just got done building this fuckin’ thing.

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That looks like fun! I suppose he’s using an old VW Beetle chassis. I recognize the front end torsion bar tubes.

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teleskiguy  Sep 11, 2016 • 9:42:24pm

Oh, Sarah. Telling like it is.

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Targetpractice  Sep 11, 2016 • 9:43:03pm

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Apparently they think that just having Hillary retire from the race means an instant win for Trump, that her supporters will abandon Kaine and fence-sitters will choose Trump over him.

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Great White Snark  Sep 11, 2016 • 9:43:43pm

I’m out to get my rest for the Monday that comes on like it or not. Just thought to leave this behind for the late shift

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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 11, 2016 • 9:44:24pm

re: #78 Targetpractice

Apparently they think that just having Hillary retire from the race means an instant win for Trump, that her supporters will abandon Kaine and fence-sitters will choose Trump over him.

Imagine if Hillary did have to drop out and Biden stepped in to take her place. The RWNJ splodey heads would be incredible.

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retired cynic  Sep 11, 2016 • 9:44:42pm

re: #79 Great White Snark

I’m out to get my rest for the Monday that comes on like it or not. Just thought to leave this behind for the late shift

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Sep 11, 2016 • 9:46:25pm

re: #70 goddamnedfrank

Yep, because he acts like someone with progressive cognitive dysfunction. Could be from his years of stimulant abuse, addiction to diet pills. Might be advanced stage syphilis from the years of whoring around he described as his own personal Viet Nam. Maybe it’s all three combined with the fact that he’s a massively obese 300 lb fatbody throwing mini-clots into his brain and having regular TIA’s.

Any way you slice it the guy is a lumbering behemoth who’s older than Hillary, and to any reasonable observer is clearly in very bad shape.

Maybe that’s why they like to call Trump their “God-Emperor”—because he looks like a sandworm.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Sep 11, 2016 • 9:46:53pm

re: #74 teleskiguy

The Donald™ says he’s 6’ 2” and about two hundo. I’m 5’ 9” and about a buck 70. He’s fucking lying. He’s over 250 lbs., maybe more. He’s not quite 300, but maybe 275? And the crippling gout and the onset of dementia … we’d be irresponsible not to speculate.

Hey, you and I have almost the same specs! But where I have some flab you probably have some muscle, skier dude.

There is no way DT is 200 lbs. He’s closer to 300 for sure.

As for his “health regimen,” I am pretty sure it involves no running or intensive cardio workouts, or he’d have a flatter belly. Maybe 15 minutes on a treadmill.

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goddamnedfrank  Sep 11, 2016 • 9:53:20pm
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gwangung  Sep 11, 2016 • 9:53:55pm

re: #83 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

As for his “health regimen,” I am pretty sure it involves no running or intensive cardio workouts, or he’d have a flatter belly. Maybe 15 minutes on a treadmill.

Per week?

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Teukka  Sep 11, 2016 • 9:55:00pm

re: #85 gwangung

Per week? Per month

FTFY

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darthstar  Sep 11, 2016 • 9:56:20pm
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Unabogie  Sep 11, 2016 • 9:56:37pm

Yeah, Drumpf is not fit. He’s overweight. And has bad hair and skin and weird coloring. Also, he’s freaking racist.

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SteelPH  Sep 11, 2016 • 9:57:03pm

re: #86 Teukka

Per week? Per month Per season.

FTFY

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darthstar  Sep 11, 2016 • 9:58:55pm

You have a race that is basically a gimme. Your opponent helps you daily with racist and bigoted statements. You get a cold - it moves into your chest - it becomes pneumonia…get the fuck off the road for four days. The campaign will survive. Trying to have a team of doctors keep you afloat like you’re Michael Jackson isn’t a long term solution. Take care of yourself if you’re serious about taking care of the country.

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teleskiguy  Sep 11, 2016 • 9:59:28pm

re: #87 darthstar

Dude.

I understand your insistence that you be the ultra-liberal curmudgeon around here. Are you aware of the horseshit double standard that a woman candidate for president has to deal with?

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Targetpractice  Sep 11, 2016 • 9:59:34pm

Perhaps she needs to tell the press tomorrow: “Yes, I’ve got pneumonia, and yes it’s been kicking my ass. But I’m still working my ass off because presidents don’t take sick days. And I will still be at all the debates. Can Donald Trump say the same?”

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Targetpractice  Sep 11, 2016 • 10:00:16pm

re: #91 teleskiguy

Dude.

I understand your insistence that you be the ultra-liberal curmudgeon around here. Are you aware of the horseshit double standard that a woman candidate for president has to deal with?

FTFY

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Lidane  Sep 11, 2016 • 10:00:21pm
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teleskiguy  Sep 11, 2016 • 10:01:38pm

re: #93 Targetpractice

FTFY

TY. More accurate, for sure.

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Apocalypse  Sep 11, 2016 • 10:01:54pm

re: #87 darthstar

I thinks he’s fighting Triple-H for the WWE Heavy weight Belt.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 11, 2016 • 10:03:41pm

re: #96 Apocalypse

I thinks he’s fighting Triple-H for the WWE Heavy weight Belt.

*slow clap*

That was beautiful.

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Apocalypse  Sep 11, 2016 • 10:06:02pm

re: #90 darthstar

Because being MIA for 4 days will be a great look.

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Lidane  Sep 11, 2016 • 10:09:17pm
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darthstar  Sep 11, 2016 • 10:12:05pm

re: #91 teleskiguy

Dude.

I understand your insistence that you be the ultra-liberal curmudgeon around here. Are you aware of the horseshit double standard that a woman candidate for president has to deal with?

This has nothing to do with horseshit double standards for women. That can’t be used to dismiss everything that crosses Hillary’s path. Granted, it’s 9/11 and she kind of had to show her face, but if she’s sick she should take a few days off - better to take the heat of dealing with a legitimate infection than letting the press speculate their asses off until you have to admit you’re sick.

People get sick. She can (and will) still beat Trump even if she takes four days off to get herself in shape. If she tries to be superwoman she’s going to show up to the debate looking like shit and then horseshit double standards be damned, she’s going to get skewered.

This race is too short to fuck around and try to hide. People see through that. It has nothing to do with my not liking her as a candidate - she’s the only candidate I have left and I don’t want her to fuck this up.

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darthstar  Sep 11, 2016 • 10:13:26pm

re: #98 Apocalypse

Because being MIA for 4 days will be a great look.

And survivable. Or she can play the speculation game and let assholes like David Schuster spread rumors about the DNC holding emergency replacement meetings. Fucking pathetic choice.

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Targetpractice  Sep 11, 2016 • 10:15:57pm

re: #101 darthstar

And survivable. Or she can play the speculation game and let assholes like David Schuster spread rumors about the DNC holding emergency replacement meetings. Fucking pathetic choice.

Right, she should have announced the Friday before the 15th anniversary of 9/11 “I’m too sick to campaign, I’m taking a few days off.” I’m sure the press would totally have understood, respected her privacy, and held off on the attacks until she was in better shape to resume the race.

By the way, I’ve got this bridge to sell, might you be interested?

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Lidane  Sep 11, 2016 • 10:16:21pm

Everyone can relax. She’s taking a couple of days to rest:

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Targetpractice  Sep 11, 2016 • 10:17:04pm

re: #103 Lidane

Everyone can relax. She’s taking a couple of days to rest:

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SteelPH  Sep 11, 2016 • 10:19:15pm

re: #103 Lidane

Everyone can relax. She’s taking a couple of days to rest:

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darthstar  Sep 11, 2016 • 10:19:47pm

re: #103 Lidane

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Good for her. Smart move. And with that I’ll go to bed.

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MsJ  Sep 11, 2016 • 10:23:57pm

re: #11 Targetpractice

Awesome point right there, one I wish she’d bring up tomorrow to deal with the media scrum: “I’m doing nothing more than millions of Americans do every day, out working when I should be at home on sick leave. If you think that a woman of my age working with pneumonia is bad, think about the millions of people going to work sick because they have no choice, it’s the only way they bring money into their home. Donald Trump will tell you that the only people who do that are illegal immigrants, but that is a lie that businessmen like him exploit every day to make obscene profits off the suffering of hardworking Americans. So long as we continue to go without federally mandated sick leave, those people will continue to do what I’m doing: Go on working when their doctors would rather they were at home in bed.”

BRAVO!

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Lidane  Sep 11, 2016 • 10:26:42pm

Every RWNJ on Twitter tonight:

re: #104 Targetpractice

“She’s on death’s door! The race is over!!!”

Every LWNJ and Bernie Bro on Twitter tonight:

re: #105 SteelPH

THIS NEVER WOULD’VE HAPPENED TO BERNIE!!11ty

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Big Beautiful Door  Sep 11, 2016 • 10:27:46pm

re: #39 Mattand

I turned to the better half today and said straight up that Trump probably won the election today. I’m basing that on how the press lately has been gunning for HRC while giving Fuckface VonClownstick a pass for pretty much everything he’s done since last year.

I’m also basing it on how fucking stupid Americans are when it comes to critically thinking about choosing candidates.

As always, I hope I’m wrong, but I’m getting that sick feeling in my stomach that I got in 2000 and 2004.

Nope, I refuse to believe American democracy can die that easily.

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Big Beautiful Door  Sep 11, 2016 • 10:29:18pm

re: #48 Great White Snark

Well if there is one or two states that Hillary can safely skip a few visits I think California is one of them.

Chance of winning California’s 55 electoral votes

FiveThirtyEight
Hillary Clinton
99.0%
Donald Trump
1.0%

Only reason to go to California is for fundraisers.

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Targetpractice  Sep 11, 2016 • 10:30:33pm

re: #105 SteelPH

THIS NEVER WOULD’VE HAPPENED TO BERNIE!!11ty

The unintentional joke here: Bernie did exactly the same thing Hillary has done, getting a note from his doctor to show he was “extremely healthy.”

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teleskiguy  Sep 11, 2016 • 10:31:11pm

re: #100 darthstar

Hey, maybe all these things are just political *drama*! Imagine, [conspiracy mode ON]the whole fainting episode and the hanging out at Chelsea’s apartment was all planned and coordinated![conspiracy mode OFF] Just to rile up right wingers. A lot can happen in two weeks in times like these, and we’re 15 days out from the first debate. C’mon, man. We know, Hillary is *slick*.

Does she have a bed on her plane like The Donald™ does? WIth a huge TV at the foot of it?

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teleskiguy  Sep 11, 2016 • 10:36:20pm

Hillary’s plane doesn’t even have a shower. Trump’s does. I mean, c’mon. Who is better here? It’s Trump. Buhleive me.

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austin_blue  Sep 11, 2016 • 10:47:31pm

A 68-year-old woman gets a summer virus which causes bronchitis, which morphs into pneumonia, which requires her to take a couple of days off to get her health back.

Not uncommon.

But now the Union is put at risk!

Fuck this election cycle. It’s just beyond the pale.

The fact is that Trump is a motherfucking cocksucking asshole-fisting child-molesting disaster for the future of this country.

And I am being kind.

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sagehen  Sep 11, 2016 • 10:48:07pm

re: #103 Lidane

Everyone can relax. She’s taking a couple of days to rest:

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My favorite comment (from another blog):

“If she was carried out of there on a stretcher, bleeding from her ears and holding her shredded spleen in her hand, I’d still vote for her over Donald Trump.”

And on this week’s episode of The Circus (Showtime’s campaign documentary from Halperin, Heinemann and Mark McKinnon), they interviewed Roger Stone about how he sees the campaign going from here on out. He said “Donald Trump will have a strong debate performance, then in mid-October Julian Assange and Wikileaks will release the most damaging material against Hillary Clinton that they’ve been holding onto until the right moment, and that will propel Trump to victory.”

I was surprised he’d admit this far out that they’re coordinating with Wikileaks to that degree; I’d have thought they’d want feign surprise when something “suddenly” comes up. Whatever they come up with, it’ll be difficult to persuade anyone it’s authentic after they already released a supposed Huma Abide email that listed her email address as “©.goy”

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teleskiguy  Sep 11, 2016 • 10:50:51pm

re: #114 austin_blue

Fuck this election cycle. It’s just beyond the pale.

The fact is that Trump is a motherfucking cocksucking asshole-fisting child-molesting disaster for the future of this country.

And I am being kind.

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austin_blue  Sep 11, 2016 • 10:53:11pm

re: #116 teleskiguy

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teleskiguy  Sep 11, 2016 • 10:56:28pm

I thought of CuriousLurker when I saw this. And I thought ‘how colorful!’ I’m an atheist but I can understand the significance of a gathering like this in Indonesia, world’s most Muslim place. And I thought ‘how colorful!’

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After they’re done praying I’ll bet there was a lot of talk, commiserating, action, laughter, enjoying the weather …

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teleskiguy  Sep 11, 2016 • 10:59:03pm

re: #118 teleskiguy

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teleskiguy  Sep 11, 2016 • 11:00:41pm
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teleskiguy  Sep 11, 2016 • 11:06:41pm

So, Aaron Sorkin has been hired somewhere someplace to keep the media horse race bullshit going?

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austin_blue  Sep 11, 2016 • 11:12:41pm

re: #121 teleskiguy

So, Aaron Sorkin has been hired somewhere someplace to keep the media horse race bullshit going?

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Was that a good thing, or a bad thing?

Hmmm…

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Sherlock Hound  Sep 11, 2016 • 11:17:08pm

re: #116 teleskiguy

I’m trying to come up with non-Anglo-Saxon insults, not to mention sexual practices that are too depraved to even have Latin names! Urban Dictionary’s no help.

We should ask the Mexicans for more of their great Mexican Spanish curse expressions!

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teleskiguy  Sep 11, 2016 • 11:30:42pm

re: #123 Sherlock Hound

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austin_blue  Sep 11, 2016 • 11:30:52pm

Night all. The Lizard Headquarters beneath the Denver airport has e-mailed me this evening and assured me that the in-house lama’s karma weather forecast has assured us all of sweet scaly dreams.

Phew! I was absolutely terrified of a lurking Trump under my bed.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 11, 2016 • 11:41:28pm

re: #108 Lidane

Every RWNJ on Twitter tonight:

Every LWNJ and Bernie Bro on Twitter tonight:

OMG! She’s gonna lose! You should have nominated Bernie! Trump couldn’t possibly make bogus health claims about a 75 year old guy!

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Sep 11, 2016 • 11:46:25pm

re: #126 Blind Frog Belly White

OMG! She’s gonna lose! You should have nominated Bernie! Trump couldn’t possibly make bogus health claims about a 75 year old guy!

TBH, if Bernie had been that sick, he probably would have stayed home.

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Targetpractice  Sep 11, 2016 • 11:56:38pm

re: #126 Blind Frog Belly White

OMG! She’s gonna lose! You should have nominated Bernie! Trump couldn’t possibly make bogus health claims about a 75 year old guy!

I really do get the feeling that, in retrospect, the race the media wanted was Trump/Sanders because they could really make the “both sides” shit sound sane. When you’ve got a fascist authoritarian versus a collectivist progressive, you can genuinely sell both sides as “extreme.” Trying to sell Hillary as being as “extreme” as Trump just makes the media look like fools.

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electrotek  Sep 12, 2016 • 12:38:46am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 12, 2016 • 1:03:07am

re: #129 electrotek

I mean who dances at a kraftwerk show?

Ve dance venn it iss time to dance!!!

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Patricia Kayden  Sep 12, 2016 • 1:09:59am

re: #26 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

if trump had a speck of graciousness in his soul he would have issued condolences by now

You mean “get well” wishes. But Trump’s far from classy so we’ll get the opposite. As Charles put it, many of Trump’s supporters aren’t too subtle about wanting Secretary Clinton to die. These people are deplorable.

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Nyet  Sep 12, 2016 • 1:20:21am

When life gives you lemons, make a lemon meringue pie.

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Timothy Watson  Sep 12, 2016 • 1:36:49am

re: #87 darthstar

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Kaine has been hitting Pennsylvania and Ohio because Hillary’s poll numbers have been looking so good in Virginia although his wife has been making Virginia stops still.

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Dave In Austin  Sep 12, 2016 • 2:15:38am
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Lancelot Link  Sep 12, 2016 • 2:34:45am

re: #129 electrotek

Rod Dreher
Sep 10
Solange Knowles is a race-baiting diva. Her experience at Kraftwerk show had to do w/her rudeness, not blackness:

Tim Ennis
@roddreher I mean who dances at a kraftwerk show?

Kraftwerk

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 12, 2016 • 2:37:16am

And now is the time on Sprockets when we dance!

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Sep 12, 2016 • 3:13:16am

re: #126 Blind Frog Belly White

OMG! She’s gonna lose! You should have nominated Bernie! Trump couldn’t possibly make bogus health claims about a 75 year old guy!

TBH, if Bernie had been that sick, he probably would have stayed home.

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goddamnedfrank  Sep 12, 2016 • 3:56:21am

The wingnuts haven now concocted a conspiracy theory that it was a Hillary body double who emerged from Chelsea’s building.

Forget it Jake, it’s Fuckwit Town.

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Dave In Austin  Sep 12, 2016 • 3:58:08am

Waste of air. But comedy….

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Dr Lizardo  Sep 12, 2016 • 4:04:32am

re: #139 Dave In Austin

Scott’s a special kind of stupid, isn’t he?

LOLOL. Imbecile.

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goddamnedfrank  Sep 12, 2016 • 4:15:35am
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Nyet  Sep 12, 2016 • 4:46:09am

re: #138 goddamnedfrank
Is Hillary a freemason queen of lesbian NWO banksters or a reptiloid dark lord of commie corporatists from Nibiru? I forget.

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Timothy Watson  Sep 12, 2016 • 4:47:55am

Let me preemptively call bullshit on this story:

D.C. police have identified the motorcyclist who was fatally shot by an officer after driving his bike into a police car early Sunday.

Terrence Sterling, 31, of Fort Washington, Maryland, was pronounced dead at the hospital, police said in a news release.

The incident began at around 4:30 a.m., when an officer observed a motorcycle driving recklessly near the 1700 block of U Street, Northwest. Another officer spotted the motorcycle near near 3rd and M streets, Northwest.

“The person that was riding the motorcycle attempted to flee,” D.C. Assistant Police Chief Peter Newsham said at the scene. “He ended up striking the police car, and at that point, shots were fired.”

wtop.com

a.) Who on a motorcycle would intentionally run into a car?

b.) Even if he do so, what kind of condition would he be in after doing so?

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Teukka  Sep 12, 2016 • 4:54:18am

re: #143 Timothy Watson

Let me preemptively call bullshit on this story:

wtop.com

a.) Who on a motorcycle would intentionally run into a car?

Someone on certain drugs.

b.) Even if he do so, what kind of condition would he be in after doing so?

Some on certain drugs even keep ticking when tazed or shot…

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Timothy Watson  Sep 12, 2016 • 4:56:00am

re: #144 Teukka

Someone on certain drugs.

Some on certain drugs even keep ticking when tazed or shot…

Riding a motorcycle is hard enough, doing it on drugs…

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Decatur Deb  Sep 12, 2016 • 4:56:05am

re: #143 Timothy Watson

Let me preemptively call bullshit on this story:

wtop.com

a.) Who on a motorcycle would intentionally run into a car?

b.) Even if he do so, what kind of condition would he be in after doing so?

Obviously, you missed the documentary Steampunk Samurai Biker Chick .
imdb.com

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Teukka  Sep 12, 2016 • 4:59:49am

re: #145 Timothy Watson

Riding a motorcycle is hard enough, doing it on drugs…

Yep. I know. Brainless. Organ donor waiting to happen.

And I’ve seen a guy take a leap from the sidewalk into the side of a moving car, leaving a significant dent. He tries to bolt from the ambulance and resists arrest to the extent that four Swedish police officers are required to pin him down. I feel sorry for the poor sod when whatever he was on wore off…
*smh*

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Lidane  Sep 12, 2016 • 5:04:11am
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Lidane  Sep 12, 2016 • 5:06:26am

That didn’t take long:

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Le Lapin Tueur  Sep 12, 2016 • 5:06:36am

re: #14 Charles Johnson

From the Bloomberg article:

In an interview Sunday, Trump’s son Donald Trump Jr. said his father has become a more disciplined candidate, and is driving the strategy.

“He is totally committed to doing whatever it takes to win and to make our country better than ever before,” Trump Jr. said. “The results we are seeing in the polls and elsewhere are positive affirmation of this. He really understands this game now, especially the nuance between politics and business.”

The tRump campaign continues to prove that they are morons. There is no nuance that needs to be understood in the difference between running a business and running a country. They are radically different.

I know that the idea of running a country like a business appeals to the mouth breathers that are on the right, but it is a recipe for disaster.

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Joe Bacon  Sep 12, 2016 • 5:06:57am

re: #36 Mattand

I just skimmed through the article.

Jesus Fucking Christ, are these people serious????

I just love the passage near the bottom of the article: Trump’s outspokenness is known to cause controversy.

Just. Wow. Swear to Chtullu, if I was more paranoid, I believe that the MSM secretly wants Trump to win. The man is a fucking walking billboard for white nationalism and the id of every American racist, and he gets a fucking pass.

Every.

Single.

Time.

Your bought and paid for Presstitutes want a Trump victory because as Les Moonvees from “See B.S.” said in public that Trump brings in a lot of advertising ¢a$h!

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Decatur Deb  Sep 12, 2016 • 5:10:17am

In Alabama Church news:

Alabama pastor says you should be shot if you don’t stand for the National Anthem
al.com

Admittedly, even Alabamans consider the SW corner “unsophisticated”.

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Joe Bacon  Sep 12, 2016 • 5:11:46am
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Jayleia  Sep 12, 2016 • 5:12:27am
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Lidane  Sep 12, 2016 • 5:12:32am

Message discipline, y’all:

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Nyet  Sep 12, 2016 • 5:13:54am

Let me be the first to call bullshit on this video. First of all, no one would do that, second, if they did, they would obviously die. Such a crude fake.

Motorcycle crash, rider flips and lands on feet on car roof #SpidermanStyle - Complete Footage

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Timothy Watson  Sep 12, 2016 • 5:15:04am

re: #154 Jayleia

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I mentioned taking the motorcycle safety course downstairs, when I got home after the second day I almost fell on my face because I didn’t step up far enough when walking onto my front porch.

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dharmamark  Sep 12, 2016 • 5:16:09am

re: #151 Joe Bacon

“Presstitutes”, love that.

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lawhawk  Sep 12, 2016 • 5:16:48am

Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area. It’s all Clinton health all the time. Drudge is tweeting out whether Clinton will even survive.

Yeah, that’s what the GOP/right wing extremists have to hope for. Their opponent to die for Trump to have a chance. It says more about their dead-end worldview than it does Clinton and her health.

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Patricia Kayden  Sep 12, 2016 • 5:17:06am

re: #152 Decatur Deb

In Alabama Church news:

Alabama pastor says you should be shot if you don’t stand for the National Anthem
al.com

Admittedly, even Alabamans consider the SW corner “unsophisticated”.

Exactly what Jesus “Prince of Peace” Christ would have said.

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Joe Bacon  Sep 12, 2016 • 5:17:17am

re: #63 Targetpractice

I know at least one Bro who’s positively orgasmic over the events of today, because he thinks this means the end of Hillary’s campaign and the crushing of the DNC under the mighty tread of Trump. He wants Trump to win not because he supports the man, but simply because he figures the DNC will be “taught a lesson.” You know, the same “lesson” that he and other Naderites “taught” the DNC in 2000 and 2004, which they thought would mean a Nader or Sanders would be the party nominee in 2008 and then this year.

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Joe Bacon  Sep 12, 2016 • 5:18:29am

re: #160 Patricia Kayden

Exactly what Jesus “Prince of Peace” would have said.

The God of the Religious Right is Ayn Rand, their Jesus is John Galt and their Bible is Atlas Shrugged.

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Nyet  Sep 12, 2016 • 5:20:47am

re: #160 Patricia Kayden

Exactly what Jesus “Prince of Peace” Christ would have said.

Sword, not peace…

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William Lewis  Sep 12, 2016 • 5:22:17am

Good Morning,

I went to bed nice an early last night and just got up a bit ago. Now I’ve got some toast, scrambled eggs with bacon bits (lots of flavor, much less fat) and a big mug of tea. When this is done, I get to drive an hour and a half to go take a test on restaurant sanitation for the motel. Thrill.

Anyway, have a good day lizards!

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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 12, 2016 • 5:24:50am

SMOTI is up bright and early

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Decatur Deb  Sep 12, 2016 • 5:25:57am

re: #165 The Vicious Babushka

SMOTI is up bright and early

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SMOTI got his medical degree from Trump University.

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Emptor scriptor Remorse  Sep 12, 2016 • 5:29:06am

Wow, now Drudge has got the vapors, don’t click, it isn’t funny. I really wish I hadn’t quit sniffing glue this week.

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Joe Bacon  Sep 12, 2016 • 5:29:53am
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lawhawk  Sep 12, 2016 • 5:30:39am
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Decatur Deb  Sep 12, 2016 • 5:32:10am

Another al.com item, this one quite sobering. For the second time this summer, someone has shot up a Birmingham-area community as they were leaving an anti-violence rally. Sixty or so rounds into a neighborhood full of parents and kids.

1 dead, 5 wounded - all innocent bystanders - in Birmingham shooting at Gate City public housing community
al.com

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Timothy Watson  Sep 12, 2016 • 5:32:37am

re: #165 The Vicious Babushka

SMOTI is up bright and early

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ZOMG ZOOMED IN!1!!

Let’s Enhance (HD)

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Dr Lizardo  Sep 12, 2016 • 5:36:30am

re: #167 Emptor scriptor Remorse

Wow, now Drudge has got the vapors, don’t click, it isn’t funny. I really wish I hadn’t quit sniffing glue this week.

Pro-tip; this year, there is no “good week” to quit sniffing glue.

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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 12, 2016 • 5:54:11am

re: #166 Decatur Deb

SMOTI got his medical degree from Trump University.

He saw the ORBITAL BLOWOUT!

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Le Lapin Tueur  Sep 12, 2016 • 5:54:39am

re: #71 Targetpractice

Upding for Violent Femmes ref.

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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 12, 2016 • 5:56:13am

re: #169 lawhawk

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A penchant for privacy is healthy normal. People who have no sense of privacy will run naked in the street.

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Belafon  Sep 12, 2016 • 6:03:33am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 12, 2016 • 6:04:12am

re: #151 Joe Bacon

Just. Wow. Swear to Chtullu, if I was more paranoid, I believe that the MSM secretly wants Trump to win. The man is a fucking walking billboard for white nationalism and the id of every American racist, and he gets a fucking pass.

They just want a horserace. If they reported more objectively, Hillary would be ahead by 10 points and nobody would be paying attention.

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dangerman  Sep 12, 2016 • 6:05:48am

Stuck on a phone this am

Late to this threads party

Multiple updings for what Charles write

I said it yesterday.

This is the story.

She’s a pro. A champion. What would have sidelined you and all those effing reporters didn’t stop her.

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Dom  Sep 12, 2016 • 6:05:58am

Promoting these politicians who have far more material backers and just want your vote is deluded, I think. So much demagoguery and big finance, the whole democratic process is shameful and needs a fresh look. Impossible to separate political footballs from real values and to know what anyone stands for. Foul play is a given. What good does either candidate stand for? I don’t see how to get passionate about it. I’m British, saying this, and refused to vote in or out of the EU because I am so insulted and won’t sign off on all these campaigns and rubber stamp whatever follows and pretend it was an exercise in rather than a derogation of power . Meanwhile the other politics, how much harmony there is in the street, is entirely fractious and loyalist, and needs addressing. Sometimes they say something that maybe suggests they get how very false and manipulative and ugly it has become, like “basket of deplorables”, but then they apologise, because it turns out they are just saying stuff to get votes. A lot of people here get passionate about Jeremy Corbyn, an anti-establishment demagogue with union backing and his cards close to his chest. The impression he gives of wanting intelligent discussion is routinely undermined with constant fudging. Vote against Trump, for sure, so vote Hilary I guess, but not that she represents anything in particular.

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Sir John Barron  Sep 12, 2016 • 6:14:39am

re: #5 Targetpractice

It’s not so much the “She’s dying of a wasting illness!” derp from the wingnuts that’s driving me up the wall as it is the “She should give us her entire medical history so we can be sure she’s absolutely healthy!” bar that seems to be only imposed upon her. Used to be we took the word of a personal physician, now the press demands total access to a candidate’s medical records so they can be run past “medical experts.”

But not Trump’s tax records. We don’t need those. Or his medical records. We don’t need those either. Just Hillary’s.

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Sir John Barron  Sep 12, 2016 • 6:17:26am

re: #165 The Vicious Babushka

SMOTI is up bright and early

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WOW! Wow! BREAKING!

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Sep 12, 2016 • 6:18:02am

re: #126 Blind Frog Belly White

OMG! She’s gonna lose! You should have nominated Bernie! Trump couldn’t possibly make bogus health claims about a 75 year old guy!

TBH, if Bernie had been that sick, he probably would have stayed home.

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lawhawk  Sep 12, 2016 • 6:18:59am

re: #180 Sir John Barron

Where’s Trump’s medical records? His clown of a doc, a gastroenterologist who’s a dead ringer for Dr. Okum from Independence Day, couldn’t be professional enough to give more than 5 minutes of his time to prepare a proper letter on his medical health, which brings into question his actual health fitness.

And that doesn’t even get into the mental health issues that Trump displays on a daily basis - memory issues, the sociopathy, lack of empathy, etc., which suggests undiagnosed mental illness.

Even if he’s not diagnosed with a mental illness, his character and judgment is such that he’s not worthy to be in the White House (even on the tour).

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Sep 12, 2016 • 6:20:03am

re: #171 Timothy Watson

Ah yes. The magical CSI “zoom in and make the pixels subdivide into smaller pixels so we can make a fuzzy image sharp as a Zeiss lens shot.”

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lawhawk  Sep 12, 2016 • 6:20:06am
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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Sep 12, 2016 • 6:21:58am

GAH! Don’t know what happened with my 182. Let’s try that again.

re: #164 William Lewis

Good Morning,

I went to bed nice an early last night and just got up a bit ago. Now I’ve got some toast, scrambled eggs with bacon bits (lots of flavor, much less fat) and a big mug of tea. When this is done, I get to drive an hour and a half to go take a test on restaurant sanitation for the motel. Thrill.

Anyway, have a good day lizards!

Random question: have you ever watched Hotel Impossible on the Travel Channel? The host does triage on some incredibly bad hotels. He usually doesn’t visit kitchens, but he’s a regular drill sergeant when it comes to hotel cleanliness everywhere else.

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dharmamark  Sep 12, 2016 • 6:24:53am

re: #180 Sir John Barron

Arent we all dying of a “wasting disease”? Derp

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lawhawk  Sep 12, 2016 • 6:26:11am

re: #187 dharmamark

Time keeps on slipping… into the future. We’re all just wasting away.

We’re all born dying. Only question of when.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 12, 2016 • 6:26:49am

re: #187 dharmamark

Arent we all dying of a “wasting disease”? Derp

we start dying the minute we are born.

death is like a flower that grows with in us, and when it blossoms, we die

god, it’s all so pointless…

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darthstar  Sep 12, 2016 • 6:26:50am

re: #187 dharmamark

Arent we all dying of a “wasting disease”? Derp

It’s called life.

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lawhawk  Sep 12, 2016 • 6:28:39am

re: #189 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

we start dying the minute we are born.

death is like a flower that grows with in us, and when it blossoms, we die

god, it’s all so pointless…

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Sep 12, 2016 • 6:33:16am

re: #189 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

we start dying the minute we are born.

death is like a flower that grows with in us, and when it blossoms, we die

god, it’s all so pointless…

Aren’t we a little ray of sunshine today?
/

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jeffreyw  Sep 12, 2016 • 6:36:08am

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Good morning!

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 12, 2016 • 6:36:19am

re: #192 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Aren’t we a little ray of sunshine today?
/

sunshine causes skin cancer…

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Timothy Watson  Sep 12, 2016 • 6:39:56am

re: #194 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

sunshine causes skin cancer…

Also, Vitamin D.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 12, 2016 • 6:41:18am

re: #195 Timothy Watson

Also, Vitamin D.

D as in Death

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Sep 12, 2016 • 6:42:08am

Here’s some Trump news from across the Pond.

Donald Trump: Photographs of controversial golf course exhibited
 The story of the American Presidential hopeful and the Aberdeenshire locals who stood up to him is now being told in St Andrews, the home of golf, at the town’s inaugural photography festival.

Long before Donald Trump had his eye on the White House, his attention was firmly on the small community of Menie in Aberdeenshire. The American businessman wanted to build the greatest golf course on earth.

However, some people who lived in the area became vehemently opposed, and the saga of the Trump International Golf Links began.

“I saw that the residents of Menie were getting a lot of bad press at a time when Donald Trump was being celebrated for arriving in the area,” reflected Alicia Bruce, a photographer who spent six years capturing the changing landscape of Menie and its people as the course was built on rare sand dunes.

bbc.com

Bruce did not photograph Trump, but in the course of taking photos of local residents and their properties, she says she was threatened by Trump security guards. They were aggressive enough that the local police gave them a warning.

Trump’s spokesmouth says nothing happened.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Sep 12, 2016 • 6:42:57am

re: #194 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

sunshine causes skin cancer…

Everything gives you cancer. — Joe Jackson

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Weaselone  Sep 12, 2016 • 6:44:28am

re: #179 Dom

Hillary has a fairly detailed list of policy proposals on her campaign website. She also has a 3 decade history of investing whatever political capital she has into forwarding a fairly consistent set of issues, including healthcare, supporting women and children and bolstering civil rights. She’s given 2 fairly high profile speeches lately that dig into the blatant racism of Trump and his supporters despite the reality that such speeches do little to advance her election prospects.

I don’t know how it is in the UK, but despite voters and the media whining to the contrary, most politicians in the US give us a fairly good idea of who they are and what they stand for during their campaigns. Politicians tend to try to enact the actual policy proposals and concrete campaign promises they make. All you need to do is ignore the empty promises and rhetoric about freedom, making America great, tyranny, etc. and assess the actual meat of what they are saying.

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Alyosha  Sep 12, 2016 • 6:44:44am

re: #179 Dom

Promoting these politicians who have far more material backers and just want your vote is deluded, I think. So much demagoguery and big finance, the whole democratic process is shameful and needs a fresh look. Impossible to separate political footballs from real values and to know what anyone stands for. Foul play is a given. What good does either candidate stand for? I don’t see how to get passionate about it. I’m British, saying this, and refused to vote in or out of the EU because I am so insulted and won’t sign off on all these campaigns and rubber stamp whatever follows and pretend it was an exercise in rather than a derogation of power . Meanwhile the other politics, how much harmony there is in the street, is entirely fractious and loyalist, and needs addressing. Sometimes they say something that maybe suggests they get how very false and manipulative and ugly it has become, like “basket of deplorables”, but then they apologise, because it turns out they are just saying stuff to get votes. A lot of people here get passionate about Jeremy Corbyn, an anti-establishment demagogue with union backing and his cards close to his chest. The impression he gives of wanting intelligent discussion is routinely undermined with constant fudging. Vote against Trump, for sure, so vote Hilary I guess, but not that she represents anything in particular.

I’m going to go out on a limb here and say that if your takeaway here is that politicians of either political stripe are equally bad - as, in the end, all they desire is your vote, then you haven’t been paying attention.

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darthstar  Sep 12, 2016 • 6:49:10am

re: #193 jeffreyw

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Sorry…I’m not eating that.

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Jenner7  Sep 12, 2016 • 6:49:23am

re: #179 Dom

This is the kind of bullshit we are up against.

Hillary is the most qualified person to run for President. She has fought Republicans and the media for decades.

Trump is a hot mess of a fascist. He has no policy plans and will ruin this country if elected.

But, BOTH SIDES!!! I’m not going to vote because reasons!

This is why Hillary will lose, because of Dom’s in this country. That and sexism.

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Teukka  Sep 12, 2016 • 6:50:04am

Ehmahgerd… It seems the “Hillary used a body double outside Chelsea’s apartment” RW meme is gaining traction among a subset of Berniebots….

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Sep 12, 2016 • 6:50:16am

Youtube Video

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Dom  Sep 12, 2016 • 6:50:32am

Alyosha, “equally bad” is not what I wrote. :)

re: #199 Weaselone

I feel past convincing but will try to keep an open mind and do the diligence. :) Fair comment.

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Dom  Sep 12, 2016 • 6:51:00am

re: #202 Jenner7

Not what I wrote. When there’s a threat vote against it.

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CuriousLurker  Sep 12, 2016 • 6:51:33am

re: #25 Great White Snark

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Seems the guy had a bad case of CDS. Fronm March 19, 1997:

In 1994, Burton engaged in what many consider his most outrageous crusade. In lengthy speeches on the House floor, he challenged the official finding that the death of deputy White House counsel Foster was a suicide. There were dark if unspoken suggestions in Burton’s insistence that Foster’s body had been moved and that he did not die in Virginia’s Fort Marcy Park, where the body was found.

At one point during his personal investigation, Burton fired a gun at a “head-like thing” (which he still won’t identify) in his back yard to prove, he says, that the sound of a gunshot in the park would have been heard by security guards at the nearby residence of the Saudi Arabian ambassador. […]

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Jenner7  Sep 12, 2016 • 6:52:19am

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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 12, 2016 • 6:55:51am

re: #183 lawhawk

Where’s Trump’s medical records? His clown of a doc, a gastroenterologist who’s a dead ringer for Dr. Okum from Independence Day, couldn’t be professional enough to give more than 5 minutes of his time to prepare a proper letter on his medical health, which brings into question his actual health fitness.

And that doesn’t even get into the mental health issues that Trump displays on a daily basis - memory issues, the sociopathy, lack of empathy, etc., which suggests undiagnosed mental illness.

Even if he’s not diagnosed with a mental illness, his character and judgment is such that he’s not worthy to be in the White House (even on the tour).

And there is the rumor that he’s addicted to amphetamines. Hey people are saying it. Media should investigate!

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Belafon  Sep 12, 2016 • 6:56:02am

re: #179 Dom

Vote against Trump, for sure, so vote Hilary I guess, but not that she represents anything in particular.

In other words, you know nothing about Clinton.

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Dom  Sep 12, 2016 • 6:57:05am

re: #202 Jenner7

This is why Hillary will lose, because of Dom’s in this country. That and sexism.

They are only in it for the Jenner7s.

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Dom  Sep 12, 2016 • 6:58:53am

re: #210 Belafon

In other words, you know nothing about Clinton.

Whereas what?

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 12, 2016 • 7:00:44am

I really am resigning myself to the Coming of the Idiocracy.

We might stave it off this election, but then Trump will start his news media empire and soon we will see the most outrageously stupid things discussed an a totally matter-of-fact manner as if there was some merit and validity to them.

We are already seeing too much of that already.

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sagehen  Sep 12, 2016 • 7:02:39am

re: #156 Nyet

Let me be the first to call bullshit on this video. First of all, no one would do that, second, if they did, they would obviously die. Such a crude fake.

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There are stuntmen who could do this.

Still an asshole move to do it on a public roadway.

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Belafon  Sep 12, 2016 • 7:02:41am

re: #213 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I really am resigning myself to the Coming of the Idiocracy.

We might stave it off this election, but then Trump will start his news media empire and soon we will see the most outrageously stupid things discussed an a totally matter-of-fact manner as if there was some merit and validity to them.

We are already seeing too much of that already.

At the same time, fewer and fewer people are getting their news from television, or even newspapers.

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Weaselone  Sep 12, 2016 • 7:02:52am
Ehmahgerd… It seems the “Hillary used a body double outside Chelsea’s apartment” RW meme is gaining traction among a subset of Berniebots….

How can we be certain that the body double wasn’t the one who suffered the fainting spell? It would actually make more sense that way. Hillary is sick, so they hire the double to stand in for the ceremony. Body double isn’t used to standing around in 80+ degree weather with body armor and suffers a fainting spell. They drag her to Chelsea’s house where the actual Hillary is playing with her grandchildren. After dressing Hillary in the double’s clothes, Hillary comes out. Then speculate about whether they killed the killed the body double and how they disposed of the body.

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CuriousLurker  Sep 12, 2016 • 7:03:03am

re: #207 CuriousLurker

So the government paying for Socks’ mail was bad, but…

Controversies: Constituent mailings

An Arizona newspaper study ranked Burton as the fifth-biggest user of free congressional mail, sending constituents more than $190,000 worth of mail in 2007.[53]

LOL *my surprised face*

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Sep 12, 2016 • 7:03:45am

re: #213 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I really am resigning myself to the Coming of the Idiocracy.

We might stave it off this election, but then Trump will start his news media empire and soon we will see the most outrageously stupid things discussed an a totally matter-of-fact manner as if there was some merit and validity to them.

We are already seeing too much of that already.

Well, I was already considering retiring abroad. It may be better to observe the fall of the USA from a safer vantage point.

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Alyosha  Sep 12, 2016 • 7:03:52am

re: #205 Dom

I’ll concede that you did not use the words ‘equally bad.’
However:
Foul play is a given. What good does either candidate stand for?
Vote against Trump, for sure, so vote Hilary I guess, but not that she represents anything in particular.

… suggests both candidates lack core principles. A falsehood.

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Belafon  Sep 12, 2016 • 7:04:23am

re: #216 Weaselone

How can we be certain that the body double wasn’t the one who suffered the fainting spell? It would actually make more sense that way. Hillary is sick, so they hire the double to stand in for the ceremony. Body double isn’t used to standing around in 80+ degree weather with body armor and suffers a fainting spell. They drag her to Chelsea’s house where the actual Hillary is playing with her grandchildren. After dressing Hillary in the double’s clothes, Hillary comes out. Then speculate about whether they killed they killed the body double and how they disposed of the body.

They would have snuck the double out the back and told her to get used to the warm weather.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 12, 2016 • 7:06:55am

re: #215 Belafon

At the same time, fewer and fewer people are getting their news from television, or even newspapers.

yes, they are getting it from webistes that cater to their prejudices

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Decatur Deb  Sep 12, 2016 • 7:08:54am

re: #216 Weaselone

How can we be certain that the body double wasn’t the one who suffered the fainting spell? It would actually make more sense that way. Hillary is sick, so they hire the double to stand in for the ceremony. Body double isn’t used to standing around in 80+ degree weather with body armor and suffers a fainting spell. They drag her to Chelsea’s house where the actual Hillary is playing with her grandchildren. After dressing Hillary in the double’s clothes, Hillary comes out. Then speculate about whether they killed the killed the body double and how they disposed of the body.

There is room in there for a body triple.

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sagehen  Sep 12, 2016 • 7:13:46am

re: #193 jeffreyw

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Good morning!

Better than breakfast!

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Eventual Carrion  Sep 12, 2016 • 7:14:35am

re: #187 dharmamark

Arent we all dying of a “wasting disease”? Derp

Life is a sexually transmitted terminal disease.

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Weaselone  Sep 12, 2016 • 7:15:58am

re: #222 Decatur Deb

I suppose, but why have the swap be at Chelsea’s home?

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Alyosha  Sep 12, 2016 • 7:21:27am
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And we all know that Tricky Dick is eclipsed in evil by Killary so, ya’ll, stress less :)

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Dom  Sep 12, 2016 • 7:23:26am

re: #219 Alyosha

I’ll concede that you did not use the words ‘equally bad.’
However:
Foul play is a given. What good does either candidate stand for?
Vote against Trump, for sure, so vote Hilary I guess, but not that she represents anything in particular.

… suggests both candidates lack core principles. A falsehood.

The concession is pretty lame if you follow it up with a shift. Having had my say I have been advised to have a good look at Hilary’s positions and see if I can’t find some consistent values to cheer about, and that’s fair enough, so I’ll say no more. you guys make it all way personal. :(

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lawhawk  Sep 12, 2016 • 7:24:44am

re: #226 Alyosha

Double standards. Woman seen as weak, and illness is disqualifying. Guy gets same or worse, and that’s excused. It’s misogynistic, but it’s seen as normal.

Fact is that Clinton was working and campaigning despite being sick. There are no days off while POTUS. Trump and his kids seem to take vacations even though they’re supposedly on the campaign trail and working his campaign (see Ivanka overseas with Putin’s latest gf a few weeks back for instance).

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sagehen  Sep 12, 2016 • 7:25:07am

re: #199 Weaselone

I don’t know how it is in the UK, but despite voters and the media whining to the contrary, most politicians in the US give us a fairly good idea of who they are and what they stand for during their campaigns. Politicians tend to try to enact the actual policy proposals and concrete campaign promises they make. All you need to do is ignore the empty promises and rhetoric about freedom, making America great, tyranny, etc. and assess the actual meat of what they are saying.

In a parliamentary system, PM’s and their cabinet are long-time party leaders who’ve worked their way up over the years, and they never have an opposition legislature. The party platform tells you pretty much what to expect.

Meanwhile, the minority party’s shadow cabinet tells you every step of the way “here’s what we would have done instead, if it were up to us.” If the electorate wants to change parties at the next election, it’s because they have a fairly accurate idea what they’d be getting.

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lawhawk  Sep 12, 2016 • 7:25:39am
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Interesting Times  Sep 12, 2016 • 7:27:20am

re: #228 lawhawk

Fact is that Clinton was working and campaigning despite being sick. There are no days off while POTUS. Trump and his kids seem to take vacations even though they’re supposedly on the campaign trail and working his campaign (see Ivanka overseas with Putin’s latest gf a few weeks back for instance).

To say nothing of how many trump events were cancelled without explanation (and without corresponding media attention/fuss).

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Alyosha  Sep 12, 2016 • 7:33:59am

re: #227 Dom

It’s nothing personal. The problem with political apathy is that it manifests as an external problem.
I’ve been there, I’m not going back.

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Tigger2  Sep 12, 2016 • 7:34:30am

I know he doesn’t believe what he posted, but had to comment.

re: #139 Dave In Austin

Waste of air. But comedy….

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dangerman  Sep 12, 2016 • 7:35:06am

re: #228 lawhawk

Double standards. Woman seen as weak, and illness is disqualifying. Guy gets same or worse, and that’s excused. It’s misogynistic, but it’s seen as normal.

Fact is that Clinton was working and campaigning despite being sick. There are no days off while POTUS. Trump and his kids seem to take vacations even though they’re supposedly on the campaign trail and working his campaign (see Ivanka overseas with Putin’s latest gf a few weeks back for instance).

Trump gotta fly home to sleep in his own bed every night.

Soft

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b.d.  Sep 12, 2016 • 7:38:18am

[security dude] Help! Sec. Clinton has passed out and about to die!! [/security dude]

[chief security dude] Quick! Get her to her daughter’s apartment! [/chief security dude]

Sounds plausible.

//

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Decatur Deb  Sep 12, 2016 • 7:38:49am

re: #225 Weaselone

I suppose, but why have the swap be at Chelsea’s home?

Women. Potty-breaks.

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darthstar  Sep 12, 2016 • 7:41:00am

Wow…I got a compliment on Twitter.

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Teukka  Sep 12, 2016 • 7:41:14am

re: #235 b.d.

[security dude] Help! Sec. Clinton has passed out and about to die!! [/security dude]

[chief security dude] Quick! Get her to her daughter’s apartment! [/chief security dude]

Sounds plausible.

//

It’s like they’ll drink anything, literally anything as the nectar of the gods….
*smgdh*

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Dom  Sep 12, 2016 • 7:42:23am

re: #232 Alyosha

It’s nothing personal. The problem with political apathy is that it manifests as an external problem.
I’ve been there, I’m not going back.

I understand that but disdain for the electoral process is objection, not apathy! It seems that decades of believing that the voter just needs to be a little more frightened of the other guy getting in has led us to Biff Tannen’s Pleasure Paradise. It is a little personal if an honest critique is met with some of these responses, “the Doms are the reason…” whereas I contend it’s the voters.

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Le Lapin Tueur  Sep 12, 2016 • 7:43:07am

re: #187 dharmamark

Arent we all dying of a “wasting disease”? Derp

Probability of death == 1
Area under the life cure == 1
etc.

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Decatur Deb  Sep 12, 2016 • 7:44:48am

re: #239 Dom

I understand that but disdain for the electoral process is objection, not apathy! It seems that decades of believing that the voter just needs to be a little more frightened of the other guy getting in has led us to Biff Tannen’s Pleasure Paradise. It is a little personal if an honest critique is met with some of these responses, “the Doms are the reason…” whereas I contend it’s the voters.

The American electoral process is rather putrid, but if we walk away from it, we have to spend inordinate amounts of time at the range.

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Dom  Sep 12, 2016 • 7:46:18am

re: #241 Decatur Deb

The American electoral process is rather putrid, but if we walk away from it, we have to spend inordinate amounts of time at the range.

That is a fair comment, and not at all at odds with my point.

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lawhawk  Sep 12, 2016 • 7:49:47am
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Trump now thinks we shouldn’t even have debate moderators. Yeah, that’ll work out famously. He gets to spew his BS nonstop, etc.

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ObserverArt  Sep 12, 2016 • 7:51:14am

re: #239 Dom

I understand that but disdain for the electoral process is objection, not apathy! It seems that decades of believing that the voter just needs to be a little more frightened of the other guy getting in has led us to Biff Tannen’s Pleasure Paradise. It is a little personal if an honest critique is met with some of these responses, “the Doms are the reason…” whereas I contend it’s the voters.

Are you saying Hillary is not specific enough and that she doesn’t have one clear main targeted area that she hopes to change…say like a Bernie Sanders and his economics targets?

By the way, is not saying “the Doms” making it about a group of people with similar thinking as you and not personal? And are you and they not all voters? I don’t get the idea it was personal.

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Alyosha  Sep 12, 2016 • 7:51:24am

re: #239 Dom

I understand that but disdain for the electoral process is objection, not apathy! It seems that decades of believing that the voter just needs to be a little more frightened of the other guy getting in has led us to Biff Tannen’s Pleasure Paradise. It is a little personal if an honest critique is met with some of these responses, “the Doms are the reason…” whereas I contend it’s the voters.

Okay, let me ask a question purely from a position of curiosity. I’ll upding it regardless.
How did you find the EU referendum? How was it mismanaged in your view that you didn’t vote in something so consequential?
I think I can understand your position on Corbyn.
My initial comment to you was going to be that you were a ‘Frankie Boyle democrat’ - understanding the benefits of democracy but remaining disengaged due to a general malaise about politicians.

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Dave In Austin  Sep 12, 2016 • 7:52:20am

Life is a challenge. From the day we enter into this crazy world, we are fighting to survive, to find our place, make our mark. Then along comes a glimmer of hope, unconditional love and companionship, recalibrating your world & making the days better.
That glimmer for me was a 6 week old Frenchie. Brutus was an “Old Soul” who showed me things about myself that I didn’t know existed. We think he mildly stroked in the last week or so. We all lost the battle this morning.

Goodnight my sweet sweet Prince. You will be loved and remembered till my last days. See you at the rainbow bridge my faithful companion.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Sep 12, 2016 • 7:52:36am

re: #245 Alyosha

Okay, let me ask a question purely from a position of curiosity. I’ll upding it regardless.
How did you find the EU referendum? How was it mismanaged in your view that you didn’t vote in something so consequential?
I think I can understand your position on Corbyn.
My initial comment to you was going to be that you were a ‘Frankie Boyle democrat’ - understanding the benefits of democracy but remaining disengaged due to a general malaise about politicians.

Speaking of UK politics, I just read that David Cameron is stepping down as an MP.

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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 12, 2016 • 7:52:50am

re: #243 lawhawk

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Trump now thinks we shouldn’t even have debate moderators. Yeah, that’ll work out famously. He gets to spew his BS nonstop, etc.

He wants to knock Hillary down, straddle her and shave her head.

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Alyosha  Sep 12, 2016 • 7:54:55am

re: #239 Dom

Also, Brexit was something that no one here thought could actually happen.
That it did should inform you of how voter flippancy is treated here given Trump is on the ballot this year.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 12, 2016 • 7:55:11am

re: #243 lawhawk

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Trump now thinks we shouldn’t even have debate moderators. Yeah, that’ll work out famously. He gets to spew his BS nonstop, etc.

Free Market debating.

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allegro  Sep 12, 2016 • 7:55:20am

re: #246 Dave In Austin

{{{Dave}}} I’m so sorry for your loss.

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ObserverArt  Sep 12, 2016 • 7:55:36am

re: #246 Dave In Austin

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Life is a challenge. From the day we enter into this crazy world, we are fighting to survive, to find our place, make our mark. Then along comes a glimmer of hope, unconditional love and companionship, recalibrating your world & making the days better.
That glimmer for me was a 6 week old Frenchie. Brutus was an “Old Soul” who showed me things about myself that I didn’t know existed. We think he mildly stroked in the last week or so. We all lost the battle this morning.

Goodnight my sweet sweet Prince. You will be loved and remembered till my last days. See you at the rainbow bridge my faithful companion.

Awww…sorry to hear that.

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Decatur Deb  Sep 12, 2016 • 7:56:07am

re: #250 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Free Market debating.

World Wrestling Debating

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Dave In Austin  Sep 12, 2016 • 7:56:12am

My heart is broken…….

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b.d.  Sep 12, 2016 • 7:56:36am

re: #254 Dave In Austin

Sorry Dave

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makeitstop  Sep 12, 2016 • 7:56:50am

re: #246 Dave In Austin

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Life is a challenge. From the day we enter into this crazy world, we are fighting to survive, to find our place, make our mark. Then along comes a glimmer of hope, unconditional love and companionship, recalibrating your world & making the days better.
That glimmer for me was a 6 week old Frenchie. Brutus was an “Old Soul” who showed me things about myself that I didn’t know existed. We think he mildly stroked in the last week or so. We all lost the battle this morning.

Goodnight my sweet sweet Prince. You will be loved and remembered till my last days. See you at the rainbow bridge my faithful companion.

So sorry, Dave.

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Belafon  Sep 12, 2016 • 7:57:17am

re: #246 Dave In Austin

So sorry, Dave.

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Tigger2  Sep 12, 2016 • 7:57:42am

re: #246 Dave In Austin

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Life is a challenge. From the day we enter into this crazy world, we are fighting to survive, to find our place, make our mark. Then along comes a glimmer of hope, unconditional love and companionship, recalibrating your world & making the days better.
That glimmer for me was a 6 week old Frenchie. Brutus was an “Old Soul” who showed me things about myself that I didn’t know existed. We think he mildly stroked in the last week or so. We all lost the battle this morning.

Goodnight my sweet sweet Prince. You will be loved and remembered till my last days. See you at the rainbow bridge my faithful companion.

Sorry the hear about your loss, he was such a cute pup.

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Sir John Barron  Sep 12, 2016 • 8:03:04am

re: #246 Dave In Austin

Terrible sorry for your loss.

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Romantic Heretic  Sep 12, 2016 • 8:03:15am

re: #198 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

No need to take life so serious, son. It ain’t no how permanent. - Porky Pine

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Romantic Heretic  Sep 12, 2016 • 8:07:36am

re: #215 Belafon

At the same time, fewer and fewer people are getting their news from television, or even newspapers.

But too many now get their ‘information’ from the foghorns in the RW echo chamber like Breitbart and Drudge.

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Dom  Sep 12, 2016 • 8:08:41am

In between the electoral cycles we can talk about all kinds of programmes and policies and there may be a route for getting an idea off the ground, but we have a largely binary voting system around large groupings of falsely dichotomised issues, so that if you are liberal in this way and conservative in that you still makes your one choice and shut up for 5 years.

In the case of Brexit, both campaigns were painting rosy nonsense for themselves and tarring the other guys. The Out camp was shamelessly stirring up ethnic tensions that will not go away, that are actually the first impact I note when the locals round here objected to a Jewish community planning application, citing demographic fears. I prefer to be out of Europe, a distant bureaucracy full of strange allegiances that the British don’t recognise, but not when the campaign empowers a racist lobby, actually creates the very tensions that we fear would hurt Europe. So my decision was, I’m not playing this time, afterwards see if we can play nice whatever happens. But it was the campaign itself that has Britain on edge. It is not much different from Trump’s lowest common denominator approach. I can’t stand Frankie Boyle either.

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Stanley Sea  Sep 12, 2016 • 8:09:35am

re: #246 Dave In Austin

Very very sorry Dave.

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Teukka  Sep 12, 2016 • 8:09:45am

re: #246 Dave In Austin

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Life is a challenge. From the day we enter into this crazy world, we are fighting to survive, to find our place, make our mark. Then along comes a glimmer of hope, unconditional love and companionship, recalibrating your world & making the days better.
That glimmer for me was a 6 week old Frenchie. Brutus was an “Old Soul” who showed me things about myself that I didn’t know existed. We think he mildly stroked in the last week or so. We all lost the battle this morning.

Goodnight my sweet sweet Prince. You will be loved and remembered till my last days. See you at the rainbow bridge my faithful companion.

Man, sorry for your loss :( My condolences :(

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Romantic Heretic  Sep 12, 2016 • 8:12:05am

re: #246 Dave In Austin

I’m so sorry for your loss.

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Sep 12, 2016 • 8:14:13am

it’s easy to detect kellyanne conway’s hand in the New Donny, but bannon seems awol

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Snarknado!  Sep 12, 2016 • 8:14:14am

re: #246 Dave In Austin

So sorry, Dave.

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Belafon  Sep 12, 2016 • 8:14:47am

re: #262 Dom

In between the electoral cycles we can talk about all kinds of programmes and policies and there may be a route for getting an idea off the ground, but we have a largely binary voting system around large groupings of falsely dichotomised issues, so that if you are liberal in this way and conservative in that you still makes your one choice and shut up for 5 years.

In the case of Brexit, both campaigns were painting rosy nonsense for themselves and tarring the other guys. The Out camp was shamelessly stirring up ethnic tensions that will not go away, that are actually the first impact I note when the locals round here objected to a Jewish community planning application, citing demographic fears. I prefer to be out of Europe, a distant bureaucracy full of strange allegiances that the British don’t recognise, but not when the campaign empowers a racist lobby, actually creates the very tensions that we fear would hurt Europe. So my decision was, I’m not playing this time, afterwards see if we can play nice whatever happens. But it was the campaign itself that has Britain on edge. It is not much different from Trump’s lowest common denominator approach. I can’t stand Frankie Boyle either.

Did you truly feel that neither you, nor others, would really be affected by the decision? I ask, because we see that a lot here, people who either won’t vote or will vote for someone other than Clinton or Trump. They think they can make it something other than a binary choice, and thereby have their conscience clear even if the person who gets elected will take things in a direction opposite of what they wanted.

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Alyosha  Sep 12, 2016 • 8:15:02am

re: #262 Dom

Thanks for the reply. Just to be contrary once more, while I disagree with Boyle (especially with regards to his view on elections) I enjoy his fucked-up comedy routines :)

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Timothy Watson  Sep 12, 2016 • 8:18:03am

re: #266 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

it’s easy to detect kellyanne conway’s hand in the New Donny, but bannon seems awol

He’s the CEO, he gets paid for doing fuck all.

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Dr Lizardo  Sep 12, 2016 • 8:18:14am

re: #246 Dave In Austin

My condolences.

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Sir John Barron  Sep 12, 2016 • 8:25:36am

re: #266 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

it’s easy to detect kellyanne conway’s hand in the New Donny, but bannon seems awol

Hmmm, although Kelly Anne is on TV all the time, doesn’t leave much time for actually managing the campaign. But there has never really been a Trump campaign to begin with. Hopefully that will be more apparent on election day.

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Sep 12, 2016 • 8:26:19am

it occurs to me apropos of nothing that the non trump gop is functioning effectively as 50 independent state parties

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Decatur Deb  Sep 12, 2016 • 8:26:20am

re: #270 Timothy Watson

He’s the CEO, he gets paid for doing fuck all.

He has a function—to be fired. His pay is an insurance premium against that likelihood.

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Belafon  Sep 12, 2016 • 8:27:10am

re: #273 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

it occurs to me apropos of nothing that the non trump gop is functioning effectively as 50 independent state parties

They finally get their confederacy.

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Sep 12, 2016 • 8:28:36am

Hillary Clinton Viciously Attacking People Like You

C- effort

try again

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Dom  Sep 12, 2016 • 8:30:38am

re: #268 Belafon

Did you truly feel that neither you, nor others, would really be affected by the decision?

I absolutely don’t feel that, just that rather than vote Giant Douche or Turd Sandwich I would sooner exercise what influence I can after the fact, be it with a douche or a turd.

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A Mom Anon  Sep 12, 2016 • 8:31:03am

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Decatur Deb  Sep 12, 2016 • 8:32:40am

re: #275 Belafon

They finally get their confederacy.

Yes, but reading armed nutcase sites shows they are not comfortable with a confederacy that is in all 50 states, but not reliable on the local level. The proximity of large numbers of mostly urban ‘collectivists’, who will undercut their CW2, worries them.

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Sionainn  Sep 12, 2016 • 8:32:54am

re: #246 Dave In Austin

I’m so sorry for the loss of your sweet dog.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Sep 12, 2016 • 8:33:41am

re: #246 Dave In Austin

{{{{{{{{{{Dave in Austin}}}}}}}}}

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Alyosha  Sep 12, 2016 • 8:37:34am

re: #278 A Mom Anon

So glad to hear it!
*happy dance*

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Le Lapin Tueur  Sep 12, 2016 • 8:38:19am

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Lidane  Sep 12, 2016 • 8:39:26am

Sure, that makes sense:

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Belafon  Sep 12, 2016 • 8:41:25am

re: #284 Lidane

Gotta love this kind of talk, as if people like Bevin get to decide who’s a patriot and who’s a tyrant.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Sep 12, 2016 • 8:42:04am

re: #285 Belafon

Gotta love this kind of talk, as if people like Bevin get to decide who’s a patriot and who’s a tyrant.

As for him personally, I’d go with tyrant.

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Decatur Deb  Sep 12, 2016 • 8:42:54am

re: #284 Lidane

Sure, that makes sense:

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Kentucky feels left out—they had a sane governor who kept them on the winning side in the last civil war.

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b.d.  Sep 12, 2016 • 8:43:21am

re: #284 Lidane

Sure, that makes sense:

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I’m sure the GOP has a few crates of those Purple Heart Band-Aids around to give to all of those Tree of Liberty partiots

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Decatur Deb  Sep 12, 2016 • 8:43:39am

re: #286 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

As for him personally, I’d go with tyrant.

Foghorn Leghorn.

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Sir John Barron  Sep 12, 2016 • 8:43:55am

re: #284 Lidane

Sure, that makes sense:

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Bevin=Basket of Deplorables.

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Belafon  Sep 12, 2016 • 8:44:13am

Too many leaders of one party are openly talking about insurrection. The media needs to be talking about this, or they will be finding out what happens when they are truly suppressed.

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dangerman  Sep 12, 2016 • 8:51:03am

re: #283 Le Lapin Tueur

“…Hillary and I …”, seriously? English much. I know it’s like shooting a dead headpiece, but ‘I’ is not always the correct pronoun. tRump is the object in this case. Grrrr. It does not make you sound smart to use I all the time as a defense against misusing me.

—falls off rant pedestal—

Me agree.

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ipsos  Sep 12, 2016 • 8:52:15am

re: #246 Dave In Austin

So very, very sorry, Dave. Looks likeep he was a fine companion indeed.

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KGxvi  Sep 12, 2016 • 8:52:28am

re: #291 Belafon

Too many leaders of one party are openly talking about insurrection. The media needs to be talking about this, or they will be finding out what happens when they are truly suppressed.

“Some people say that certain members of a particular party are using inflammatory language about a hypothetical civil war, others are saying it’s just heated, but normal, political rhetoric… What say you? Chime in on twitter…”

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Interesting Times  Sep 12, 2016 • 9:07:36am

Hey, anyone else notice the Share stats and how this post has taken off?

Not sure if this had something to do with it, but I posted a comment about it on dKos last night, and now a new diary on their Recommended list mentions it - scroll down or search for phrase starting “Blogger Charles Johnson also provided some perspective”, which they follow with the same excerpt I quoted in my comment :)

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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 12, 2016 • 9:15:22am

re: #295 Interesting Times

LGF is one the few places online reporting shit correctly this election cycle.

Kudos, Charles.

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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 12, 2016 • 9:15:30am

So all those alt-right bros who keep sending Li’l Whiplash anti-Semitic memes are not “Deplorables”?

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Sep 12, 2016 • 9:15:44am

there’s an app called polltracker that tracks polls not always listed by rcp & it shows very positive national polls for hillary today including abc/wapo showing her 5 to 8 pts ahead depending on including johnson and stein and ahead in la tracking, gravis, and morning consult also too

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allegro  Sep 12, 2016 • 9:16:39am

I’m feeling a bit like Hillary right now. When out walking the pooch earlier I walked through a puddle and slipped in the mud falling on my ass. The male half of the husband-wife park management team came running over to see if I was okay. Told him I was fine and completely unhurt but he insisted on walking us home. (Sweet but overboard) A little while later the wife half knocked on my door to see if I was okay. Told her I was fine, only harm was muddy clothes and shoes. She made a point of telling me that at my age I was gonna hurt tomorrow. (She’s about my age so I didn’t take it wrong but still…) She also mentioned that since I fell on the property she had to fill out an incident report. Ah, I see.

Just went out to try again since the boy didn’t get his expected walk. Here comes the husband manager asking again “Are you okay?” Jeez, I’m fucking FINE! Almost home after walking a half mile around the park and the park maintenance guy comes zipping past asking “Heard you took a bad fall, are you okay?” Christ on a crutch. By this evening they’ll be planning my funeral.

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Sep 12, 2016 • 9:16:41am

re: #297 The Vicious Babushka

So all those alt-right bros who keep sending Li’l Whiplash anti-Semitic memes are not “Deplorables”?

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they can’t be just wished away, ben

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Belafon  Sep 12, 2016 • 9:17:01am

re: #295 Interesting Times

And that’s why, after finding out Clinton has pneumonia, I don’t think Republicans will do much with the story, because almost every adult has had to work through illness, not just work at a company, but taking care of kids or whatever.

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Targetpractice  Sep 12, 2016 • 9:18:19am

re: #243 lawhawk

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Trump now thinks we shouldn’t even have debate moderators. Yeah, that’ll work out famously. He gets to spew his BS nonstop, etc.

Basically what Comrade Combover wants is a “debate” where he sits at the table and rambles for an hour, shouting down Hillary every time she tries to get in a word because the man is talking and she should be quiet while he speaks.

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Alyosha  Sep 12, 2016 • 9:18:19am

The Truth About False Balance.

mobile.nytimes.com

Read it. I know it’s not a popular thing to point out: namely that the media does have the duty of attempting to strike up a balance.

Spayd does mention the fact that what makes this election more difficult is the obviousness of the Republican ticket’s departure from the norm. It’s much easier, however, to display that in an op-ed or on a Maddow segment. In hard news, it is important to give both sides even if the other side is for our partisan purposes, nuts.

The problem with false balance doctrine is that it masquerades as rational thinking. What the critics really want is for journalists to apply their own moral and ideological judgments to the candidates. Take one example. Suppose journalists deem Clinton’s use of private email servers a minor offense compared with Trump inciting Russia to influence an American election by hacking into computers — remember that? Is the next step for a paternalistic media to barely cover Clinton’s email so that the public isn’t confused about what’s more important? Should her email saga be covered at all? It’s a slippery slope.

It’s important that a free media - even as negligent as the networks can be - are allowed to do their work. Whether confirming biases, or generating anxieties, it’s not altogether bad that there is balance, even if it serves evil.
I think this is what Sergey is getting at when he refers scaldingly to the use of a variation of the Lügenpresse. The ‘lying press’.
You’re not being Nazis for seeing that the media is giving equal time to the enemy. That is the function of a free press. That it can be critiqued at all it a good thing.
Finally, when the charge is made that the media shall be at fault for leading us to the disaster of a Trump presidency, I must admit that I shrink away.
Certainly, since all information is gleaned from the media, the information brokers will always be at fault.
I insist, rather, that it is the people who have demanded pap for their 24-hour news cycles. A horse race is the inevitable result.
Donald Trump is a danger to the Republic. In this particular election it is awful that he ought to be given equal time. It is disgusting that he ought to be treated with at all.
But do you really want to create a precedent in which one candidate must be treated as beyond reproach just because the other is irredeemably deplorable?

Sorry, just been weighing on me lately. It’s a pre-bed thought-dump so I apologise if I can’t respond.

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Varek Raith  Sep 12, 2016 • 9:18:37am

re: #299 allegro

I’m feeling a bit like Hillary right now. When out walking the pooch earlier I walked through a puddle and slipped in the mud falling on my ass. The male half of the husband-wife park management team came running over to see if I was okay. Told him I was fine and completely unhurt but he insisted on walking us home. (Sweet but overboard) A little while later the wife half knocked on my door to see if I was okay. Told her I was fine, only harm was muddy clothes and shoes. She made a point of telling me that at my age I was gonna hurt tomorrow. (She’s about my age so I didn’t take it wrong but still…) She also mentioned that since I fell on the property she had to fill out an incident report. Ah, I see.

Just went out to try again since the boy didn’t get his expected walk. Here comes the husband manager asking again “Are you okay?” Jeez, I’m fucking FINE! Almost home after walking a half mile around the park and the park maintenance guy comes zipping past asking “Heard you took a bad fall, are you okay?” Christ on a crutch. By this evening they’ll be planning my funeral.

Not to worry!
I can just bring you back as a zombie free of charge!

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ChuckJager95  Sep 12, 2016 • 9:18:47am
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Targetpractice  Sep 12, 2016 • 9:19:00am

re: #301 Belafon

And that’s why, after finding out Clinton has pneumonia, I don’t think Republicans will do much with the story, because almost every adult has had to work through illness, not just work at a company, but taking care of kids or whatever.

The GOP won’t do anything with it overtly, but the whisper campaign has already begun, the suggestions being floated that the DNC will have to consider another candidate now that she’s “dying.”

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Tigger2  Sep 12, 2016 • 9:19:57am

re: #297 The Vicious Babushka

So all those alt-right bros who keep sending Li’l Whiplash anti-Semitic memes are not “Deplorables”?

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Snarknado!  Sep 12, 2016 • 9:21:42am

re: #299 allegro

Hey, you slipped! That’s neurological….

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BeachDem  Sep 12, 2016 • 9:22:25am

re: #297 The Vicious Babushka

So all those alt-right bros who keep sending Li’l Whiplash anti-Semitic memes are not “Deplorables”?
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As Charles P. Pierce points out:
There is an accomplished woman saying something everybody knows is true and there is a vulgar talking yam who apparently could set his own dick on fire and not pay much of a price for it on television.
esquire.com

Must suck to be Bennie.

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allegro  Sep 12, 2016 • 9:25:17am

re: #308 Snarknado!

Hey, you slipped! That’s neurological….

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Inorite?!

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lawhawk  Sep 12, 2016 • 9:29:19am
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That’s another nail in the coffin for the Bundy militia nuts. It was actually one of their few actual legal arguments that had any basis in the law - that the FB postings/data was obtained improperly.

Of course, I expect the defendants to appeal that decision since it’s critical to the fed case.

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retired cynic  Sep 12, 2016 • 9:31:48am

re: #309 BeachDem

As Charles P. Pierce points out:
There is an accomplished woman saying something everybody knows is true and there is a vulgar talking yam who apparently could set his own dick on fire and not pay much of a price for it on television.
esquire.com

Must suck to be Bennie.

That is SUCH an important essay by Charlie Pierce!!!

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Sir John Barron  Sep 12, 2016 • 9:32:52am

re: #297 The Vicious Babushka

So all those alt-right bros who keep sending Li’l Whiplash anti-Semitic memes are not “Deplorables”?

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For a lawyer, Baby Whiplash sure is dumb.

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ObserverArt  Sep 12, 2016 • 9:33:45am

Poor Benny Shapiro. He always works so hard to come up with the stretches he makes with his scribblings. Sometimes it seems he spends hours to make a 140 character statement. That is dedication to the cause.

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Targetpractice  Sep 12, 2016 • 9:35:23am

re: #303 Alyosha

The Truth About False Balance.

mobile.nytimes.com

Read it. I know it’s not a popular thing to point out: namely that the media does have the duty of attempting to strike up a balance.

Spayd does mention the fact that what makes this election more difficult is the obviousness of the Republican ticket’s departure from the norm. It’s much easier, however, to display that in an op-ed or on a Maddow segment. In hard news, it is important to give both sides even if the other side is for our partisan purposes, nuts.

The problem with false balance doctrine is that it masquerades as rational thinking. What the critics really want is for journalists to apply their own moral and ideological judgments to the candidates. Take one example. Suppose journalists deem Clinton’s use of private email servers a minor offense compared with Trump inciting Russia to influence an American election by hacking into computers — remember that? Is the next step for a paternalistic media to barely cover Clinton’s email so that the public isn’t confused about what’s more important? Should her email saga be covered at all? It’s a slippery slope.

It’s important that a free media - even as negligent as the networks can be - are allowed to do their work. Whether confirming biases, or generating anxieties, it’s not altogether bad that there is balance, even if it serves evil.
I think this is what Sergey is getting at when he refers scaldingly to the use of a variation of the Lügenpresse. The ‘lying press’.
You’re not being Nazis for seeing that the media is giving equal time to the enemy. That is the function of a free press. That it can be critiqued at all it a good thing.
Finally, when the charge is made that the media shall be at fault for leading us to the disaster of a Trump presidency, I must admit that I shrink away.
Certainly, since all information is gleaned from the media, the information brokers will always be at fault.
I insist, rather, that it is the people who have demanded pap for their 24-hour news cycles. A horse race is the inevitable result.
Donald Trump is a danger to the Republic. In this particular election it is awful that he ought to be given equal time. It is disgusting that he ought to be treated with at all.
But do you really want to create a precedent in which one candidate must be treated as beyond reproach just because the other is irredeemably deplorable?

Sorry, just been weighing on me lately. It’s a pre-bed thought-dump so I apologise if I can’t respond.

False balance is an issue when the media is engaged, either deliberately or inadvertently, in presenting two items that are at totally different ends of the spectrum as “equal.” Case in point, every story about “Emailgate” treats every revelation as a new “bombshell” that will destroy Hillary, then either drops the story once it’s revealed there’s nothing to it or pushes such to the bottom of the story so that all people see is the headline. By contrast, Trump’s deletion of emails while he was being sued? One day of coverage and it disappeared from the media’s radar. Likewise oceans of ink have been spilled on allegations that Clinton Foundation is a den of evil and corruption, but every media investigation has turned up nothing. The Trump Foundation? Virtually no coverage and what there has been has been spun as “equal” to the baseless allegations against the Clinton Foundation.

The problem is not that the press is giving equal time, the problem is that the press is deliberately putting their thumb on the scale so that any reporting on Trump is “balanced out” by their empty accusations against the Clintons. They are purposefully holding him to a much lower standard than they hold her, have even admitted as much with half-assed excuses about how he’s “not a politician.”

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Belafon  Sep 12, 2016 • 9:35:24am

re: #313 Sir John Barron

For a lawyer, Baby Whiplash sure is dumb.

He wants to be in the bully club, but they won’t let him in.

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Varek Raith  Sep 12, 2016 • 9:36:24am

re: #310 allegro

Inorite?!

All joking aside, you’ll need an MRI, CT scan and be cryogenically frozen until out medical tech advance to the point to determine if you are really ok.

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retired cynic  Sep 12, 2016 • 9:36:40am

Charlie Pierce has a good essay on the health of President’s in general and Hillary’s right now in specific.

esquire.com

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Bear  Sep 12, 2016 • 9:40:09am

re: #25 Great White Snark

I believe that the Clintons did not take Socks with them when they left the White House but Socks went with another one.

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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 12, 2016 • 9:40:53am

This is what Donald Trump wants the debates to be like:

The Battle of the Billionaires takes place at WrestleMania

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Sir John Barron  Sep 12, 2016 • 9:42:32am

re: #319 Bear

I believe that the Clintons did not take Socks with them when they left the White House but Socks went with another one.

Where is Socks? Did Socks die? Why won’t the Clinton’s tell the truth about Socks?

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Sep 12, 2016 • 9:43:42am

re: #319 Bear

I believe that the Clintons did not take Socks with them when they left the White House but Socks went with another one.

Socks did not get along with the Clinton’s dog, so Socks entered the care of a White House staffer, IIRC.

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Weaselone  Sep 12, 2016 • 9:43:43am

re: #303 Alyosha

The problem with this is that:

1. The media isn’t giving Hillary’s email and Trump’s issues equal coverage. They are actually treating Hillary’s email issue as more important because it receives as much coverage as all of Trump’s issues combined. Hillary’s emails have received far more attention than Trump’s Russia ties.
2. The media isn’t objectively reporting what they find. They’ve been using misleading headlines and language to create the impression of scandal where there actually is none. They’ve been deliberately skewing coverage to create this false balance.

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Timothy Watson  Sep 12, 2016 • 9:44:17am

re: #313 Sir John Barron

For a lawyer, Baby Whiplash sure is dumb.

He’s pretty dumb for anything.

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Timothy Watson  Sep 12, 2016 • 9:45:13am

re: #322 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Socks did not get along with the Clinton’s dog, so Socks entered the care of a White House staffer, IIRC.

Sure, if you believe the official story.

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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 12, 2016 • 9:46:22am

re: #322 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Socks did not get along with the Clinton’s dog, so Socks entered the care of a White House staffer, IIRC.

Did the staffer live on a farm?

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Patricia Kayden  Sep 12, 2016 • 9:47:16am

re: #297 The Vicious Babushka

So all those alt-right bros who keep sending Li’l Whiplash anti-Semitic memes are not “Deplorables”?

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So what if she does? They are deplorable for supporting a Bigoted Presidential Candidate. I don’t see anything controversial about her remarks on Friday pointing out that many Trump supporters are deplorable because they support bigotry in the form of Trump.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Sep 12, 2016 • 9:47:28am

re: #326 The Vicious Babushka

Did the staffer live on a farm?

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Bear  Sep 12, 2016 • 9:49:34am

re: #322 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

I think that is correct.

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Alyosha  Sep 12, 2016 • 9:50:35am

re: #315 Targetpractice

I agree. I’m hoping that my post isn’t too inflammatory. The media has dropped the ball in many respects. I cannot deny that and share your sentiment. That is the bizarre nature of the campaign into which we have been dropped.
I ask myself how it is possible that the media speak about the transparency of Clinton’s health but seem to ignore Trump’s tax returns.
Again, our focus on such things are important and right. And we should rail against them however we can. It’s a difficult subject, and not one I wish to go against, since the majority of comments here (and many of which I have upvoted) agree with you.
This campaign has seen things inverted. I know people protested how Bush was not held to account after September 11.
I’m only cautioning against the independent media inadvertently becoming an organ of a government I am very excited about taking power.

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Patricia Kayden  Sep 12, 2016 • 9:50:47am

re: #237 darthstar

You should ask exactly how Clinton is bigoted because to my knowledge, she is not.

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Timothy Watson  Sep 12, 2016 • 9:51:33am

re: #331 Patricia Kayden

You should ask exactly how Clinton is bigoted because to my knowledge, she is not.

Hoax photo, unofficial campaign buttons, etc.

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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 12, 2016 • 9:53:44am

re: #331 Patricia Kayden

You should ask exactly how Clinton is bigoted because to my knowledge, she is not.

Hillary is “bigot” because:
1) Donald Trump says she is
2) She hates white supremacists, anti-Semites, homophobes, Islamophobes and sexists.

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Belafon  Sep 12, 2016 • 9:55:48am

re: #309 BeachDem

As Charles P. Pierce points out:
There is an accomplished woman saying something everybody knows is true and there is a vulgar talking yam who apparently could set his own dick on fire and not pay much of a price for it on television.
esquire.com

Must suck to be Bennie.

We’re still in high school. The jocks and bullies get graded on a curve because we expect less out of them. The nerds get punished for only getting a 98 because they should have gotten a 100. They need to learn that just because they’re smart and can solve problems doesn’t make them better than everyone else, and we need to teach them by not letting them win all the time even if they are right.

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Timothy Watson  Sep 12, 2016 • 9:56:48am

re: #334 Belafon

We’re still in high school. The jocks and bullies get graded on a curve because we expect less out of them. The nerds get punished for only getting a 98 because they should have gotten a 100. They need to learn that just because they’re smart and can solve problems doesn’t make them better than everyone else, and we need to teach them by not letting them win all the time even if they are right.

*Starts humming “High School Never Ends” by Bowling for Soup*

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I Would Prefer Not To  Sep 12, 2016 • 9:56:50am

re: #278 A Mom Anon

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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 12, 2016 • 9:59:14am

Gah. I went into the break room and the Fox News chyron was all over some poll in which 46% of Trump supporters say they are “Very Enthusiastic” to vote for him but only 33% of Hillary supporters are “very enthusiastic” about her.

I have never seen a ballot that only counts “very enthusiastic” votes but not merely “enthusiastic” votes or even “while gulping my vomit” votes.

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Alyosha  Sep 12, 2016 • 10:00:51am

re: #323 Weaselone

The problem with this is that:

1. The media isn’t giving Hillary’s email and Trump’s issues equal coverage. They are actually treating Hillary’s email issue as more important because it receives as much coverage as all of Trump’s issues combined. Hillary’s emails have received far more attention than Trump’s Russia ties.
2. The media isn’t objectively reporting what they find. They’ve been using misleading headlines and language to create the impression of scandal where there actually is none. They’ve been deliberately skewing coverage to create this false balance.

I agree, again. I’ve seen that. I don’t want my post to be seen as a blanket protection for the media. Their cases of negligence are storied and well-documented here and my upvotes can be my testament.
I am at war with myself over this. Especially over the Clinton health claims.
Print and broadcast media should not hype claims and ignore especially Trump’s taxes. They have failed in many respects.

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allegro  Sep 12, 2016 • 10:04:49am

I used to tell students how important it was to read or watch the news to keep up with what was going on. Just like we don’t live an insular existence in the biological/ecological world, neither do we live unaffected by the political world.

Gawd, I’m hoping now they totally ignored my advice.

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Sir John Barron  Sep 12, 2016 • 10:08:01am

re: #337 The Vicious Babushka

Gah. I went into the break room and the Fox News chyron was all over some poll in which 46% of Trump supporters say they are “Very Enthusiastic” to vote for him but only 33% of Hillary supporters are “very enthusiastic” about her.

I have never seen a ballot that only counts “very enthusiastic” votes but not merely “enthusiastic” votes or even “while gulping my vomit” votes.

Glad Faux is all over this very important news story.

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b_sharp  Sep 12, 2016 • 10:09:13am

re: #303 Alyosha

The Truth About False Balance.

mobile.nytimes.com

Read it. I know it’s not a popular thing to point out: namely that the media does have the duty of attempting to strike up a balance.

Spayd does mention the fact that what makes this election more difficult is the obviousness of the Republican ticket’s departure from the norm. It’s much easier, however, to display that in an op-ed or on a Maddow segment. In hard news, it is important to give both sides even if the other side is for our partisan purposes, nuts.

The problem with false balance doctrine is that it masquerades as rational thinking. What the critics really want is for journalists to apply their own moral and ideological judgments to the candidates. Take one example. Suppose journalists deem Clinton’s use of private email servers a minor offense compared with Trump inciting Russia to influence an American election by hacking into computers — remember that? Is the next step for a paternalistic media to barely cover Clinton’s email so that the public isn’t confused about what’s more important? Should her email saga be covered at all? It’s a slippery slope.

It’s important that a free media - even as negligent as the networks can be - are allowed to do their work. Whether confirming biases, or generating anxieties, it’s not altogether bad that there is balance, even if it serves evil.
I think this is what Sergey is getting at when he refers scaldingly to the use of a variation of the Lügenpresse. The ‘lying press’.
You’re not being Nazis for seeing that the media is giving equal time to the enemy. That is the function of a free press. That it can be critiqued at all it a good thing.
Finally, when the charge is made that the media shall be at fault for leading us to the disaster of a Trump presidency, I must admit that I shrink away.
Certainly, since all information is gleaned from the media, the information brokers will always be at fault.
I insist, rather, that it is the people who have demanded pap for their 24-hour news cycles. A horse race is the inevitable result.
Donald Trump is a danger to the Republic. In this particular election it is awful that he ought to be given equal time. It is disgusting that he ought to be treated with at all.
But do you really want to create a precedent in which one candidate must be treated as beyond reproach just because the other is irredeemably deplorable?

Sorry, just been weighing on me lately. It’s a pre-bed thought-dump so I apologise if I can’t respond.

What we want is for the media to remove their bias. It’s a simple as that.

They’ve been working overtime to portray molehills as mountains in an effort to make Hillary look as problematic as Trump. Reporting the stories equally isn’t the problem, it’s how they slant the stories to be on an equal footing that’s the problem. That artificial equalization of how the stories affect us is their moral & ideological stance.

I would be surprised and happy if they reported the race in a dispassionate, accurate way.

Side Note: The slippery slope argument really is a poor argument. Unless the user can precisely define the likelihood of the slide and the distance, it’s pretty well irrelevant.

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Belafon  Sep 12, 2016 • 10:09:54am

re: #339 allegro

I used to tell students how important it was to read or watch the news to keep up with what was going on. Just like we don’t live an insular existence in the biological/ecological world, neither do we live unaffected by the political world.

Gawd, I’m hoping now they totally ignored my advice.

I think it’s important now that they get it from multiple source types. Don’t rely on just the broadcast news. I think people also have to be aware of how the news is reported.

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Targetpractice  Sep 12, 2016 • 10:11:38am

re: #330 Alyosha

I agree. I’m hoping that my post isn’t too inflammatory. The media has dropped the ball in many respects. I cannot deny that and share your sentiment. That is the bizarre nature of the campaign into which we have been dropped.
I ask myself how it is possible that the media speak about the transparency of Clinton’s health but seem to ignore Trump’s tax returns.
Again, our focus on such things are important and right. And we should rail against them however we can. It’s a difficult subject, and not one I wish to go against, since the majority of comments here (and many of which I have upvoted) agree with you.
This campaign has seen things inverted. I know people protested how Bush was not held to account after September 11.
I’m only cautioning against the independent media inadvertently becoming an organ of a government I am very excited about taking power.

We value the idea of an independent press, but that became an illusion around the time that newsrooms became arms of media empires which make most of their money off entertainment. There are no Walter Cronkites out there anymore, no reporters who are prepared to put their careers into jeopardy just to tell the truth. It’s how we got Matt Lauer, a guy who spends his time interviewing celebrities and running off more talented reporters, moderating a “forum” where he spent 12 minutes obsessing over a media nonstory then tried to make up the difference by badgering the female candidate to “be brief” with her responses, but then gushed over the male candidate and allowed major issues with his candidacy go unremarked.

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wrenchwench  Sep 12, 2016 • 10:12:12am

I have False Imbalance. I feel out of balance when I’m walking, but I’m told I look like I’m walking normally, and I don’t fall down or go off-course. I fell down once when I was standing, but it was because I was laughing so hard, and it was at least a year ago. And the kitchen floor has soft linoleum. I wasn’t hurt.

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b_sharp  Sep 12, 2016 • 10:15:08am

re: #339 allegro

I used to tell students how important it was to read or watch the news to keep up with what was going on. Just like we don’t live an insular existence in the biological/ecological world, neither do we live unaffected by the political world.

Gawd, I’m hoping now they totally ignored my advice.

Tell them to come here.

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Weaselone  Sep 12, 2016 • 10:15:32am

re: #303 Alyosha

I get your point, but the NY Times isn’t even living up to the standard that they set in the article. Using their logic, you would expect the NY Times to spend the same amount of time covering every issue regardless of their assessment of its severity and importance. That would lead to Hillary’s emails receiving the same level of coverage as say Trump not releasing his tax returns. For every article on the emails, there would be a corresponding article speculating on what Trump was hiding in his returns. That’s not what we’re observing in their election coverage.

It also doesn’t explain the disparate coverage regarding the Clinton and Trump Foundations. One’s a highly rated charity that helps millions of people and where every media investigation has indicated that no pay-to-play was involved and yet the media insists on putting out misleading articles complaining about smoke, fog, optics and unanswered questions. The other has actually been fined for violations and looks like it actually guilty of all the crap leveled at the Clinton foundation, including actual bribery of politicians and use as a slush fund.

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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 12, 2016 • 10:17:52am
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BeachDem  Sep 12, 2016 • 10:18:12am

re: #341 b_sharp

What we want is for the media to remove their bias. It’s a simple as that.

They’ve been working overtime to portray molehills as mountains in an effort to make Hillary look as problematic as Trump. Reporting the stories equally isn’t the problem, it’s how they slant the stories to be on an equal footing that’s the problem. That artificial equalization of how the stories affect us is their moral & ideological stance.

I would be surprised and happy if they reported the race in a dispassionate, accurate way.

Their choice of words alone gives up the game, i.e. from Spayd’s piece:
…as The Times has produced about conflicts circling the foundation; and as The Washington Post did this past week in surfacing Trump’s violation of tax laws when he made a $25,000 political contribution to a campaign group connected to Florida’s attorney general as her office was investigating Trump University.

Even more ridiculous, she defends the NYT reporting by citing WP reporting. Conflicts are not “circling” the Clinton Foundation, except in the NYT crappy-ass reporting. And Trump’s Bondi problem is bigger than “violation of tax laws.”

I think she missed the whole point of what people have been complaining about—good discussion of it in this kos diary comments.
dailykos.com

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Alyosha  Sep 12, 2016 • 10:20:24am

re: #341 b_sharp

I think the problem in reporting impartially, ignores the very harm that is promised to minorities. This might be termed ‘emotive’ reporting. It might be deemed biased for that reason. I’m not making a case for the white primacy which seems to hold back some of the more hard-hitting anti-Trump pieces. Certainly, a more representative media landscape might furnish better opinion.
Again, I agree with your assessment.

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Franklin  Sep 12, 2016 • 10:21:05am

re: #347 The Vicious Babushka

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Varek Raith  Sep 12, 2016 • 10:21:09am

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jaunte  Sep 12, 2016 • 10:21:13am
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Anyone reporting on our new official religious unification?

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sagehen  Sep 12, 2016 • 10:21:20am

re: #306 Targetpractice

The GOP won’t do anything with it overtly, but the whisper campaign has already begun, the suggestions being floated that the DNC will have to consider another candidate now that she’s “dying.”

Looks tired

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Weaselone  Sep 12, 2016 • 10:22:51am

re: #348 BeachDem

I think she missed the whole point of what people have been complaining about—good discussion of it in this kos diary comments.

She didn’t miss it. She deliberately mischaracterized it so she could argue against the strawman of her choosing.

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Sir John Barron  Sep 12, 2016 • 10:23:24am

re: #347 The Vicious Babushka

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Franklin  Sep 12, 2016 • 10:24:12am

re: #352 jaunte

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Anyone reporting on our new official religious unification?

Shit. I think I sent back my Religion Unification Waiver form in my Forced Gay Marriage Assignment envelope. On a scale of 1-10, how f*cked am I?

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Tigger2  Sep 12, 2016 • 10:25:02am
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lawhawk  Sep 12, 2016 • 10:25:04am

re: #352 jaunte

Under one god. Yeah, there goes the 1A again. Skewered. Torched. Shredded.

Yet, we’re supposed to take him seriously? He can’t string a coherent thought together without saying something that violates the Constitution, is an outright lie, or is vaporware.

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Targetpractice  Sep 12, 2016 • 10:25:42am

Not sure if anybody’s brought this up, but there’s also a psychological angle to Hillary’s actions with regards to her health that I think could help her versus the alternative which I’ve seen a lot of concern trolls float, which was to just announce she was sick with pneumonia and taking time off.

By continuing to campaign through the weekend and making her appearance yesterday, she showed that even sick she’s still willing to give 100%. If she hadn’t gotten overheated yesterday, it’s doubtful anybody would have noticed and life would have gone on. So many of us who’ve worked while sick know that feeling of standing there with a smile while inside we hate ourselves and want to be at home in bed.

If she’d announced to the press on Friday that she was sicking and taking time off to rest, it would have immediately raised questions of her fitness for the presidency. If she was so ill that she could not make appearances, could not work even an abbreviated schedule, then she must be too ill to go forward with the campaign. They would have assumed she was much more frail than she appeared if she needed to be put on immediate bed rest, lending even more credibility to the health rumors.

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jaunte  Sep 12, 2016 • 10:26:53am

re: #358 lawhawk

Under one god. Yeah, there goes the 1A again. Skewered. Torched. Shredded.

Yet, we’re supposed to take him seriously? He can’t string a coherent thought together without saying something that violates the Constitution, is an outright lie, or is vaporware.

And statements like that go unremarked on by the reporters chattering nonstop about Hillary’s health.

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Targetpractice  Sep 12, 2016 • 10:27:40am

re: #352 jaunte

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Anyone reporting on our new official religious unification?

What, he doesn’t feel comfortable yet saying “One people, one country, one leader”?

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jaunte  Sep 12, 2016 • 10:28:52am
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I suppose a line suggesting a single national religion could get lost in the sea of bullshit.

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Timothy Watson  Sep 12, 2016 • 10:31:53am

re: #362 jaunte

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I suppose a line suggesting a single national religion could get lost in the sea of bullshit.

Sailors making “crude gestures”?

THIS MEANS WAR!1!!!

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EPR-radar  Sep 12, 2016 • 10:33:26am

re: #361 Targetpractice

What, he doesn’t feel comfortable yet saying “One people, one country, one leader”?

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That really does sound better in the original German.

Ein volk, ein Reich, Ein Fuhrer.

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Alyosha  Sep 12, 2016 • 10:34:25am

re: #346 Weaselone

The problem seems to be that Clinton furnishing the relevant details of the Foundation’s contributors and distributions creates a wealth of information that the media can pick apart.
Trump has put nothing out. Nothing to pick over. Nothing to scrutinize.
That’s the problem.
As a media outlet you need documents to pore over. To find the discrepancies, and to call them out.
Trump has given NOTHING.
Maybe the limit of the 24 hour news cycle is that it’s just too much damn time to demand proof for something they’ll never get willingly.

Maybe they had to relearn journalism.

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Dr. Matt  Sep 12, 2016 • 10:34:55am

Lunch time!

Instagram

@khayat.a Loaded Fries cause it’s Monday #feedyoursoull

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Sir John Barron  Sep 12, 2016 • 10:35:05am

re: #362 jaunte

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I suppose a line suggesting a single national religion could get lost in the sea of bullshit.

Not to mention that Trump is about as religious as my office door.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 12, 2016 • 10:35:19am

re: #291 Belafon

Too many leaders of one party are openly talking about insurrection. The media needs to be talking about this, or they will be finding out what happens when they are truly suppressed.

Again, these things are ignored or discussed in a matter-of-fact way as if they were defensible positions.

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Lidane  Sep 12, 2016 • 10:35:37am

RWNJ butthurt is especially tiresome today.

“I’m in California! Hillary could’ve gotten me sick! How dare she try to come here!”

Me: “Would you have been anywhere in her direct proximity?”

“Well, no. But a friend or family could have.”

Me: “She’d been scheduled to tape an episode of Ellen and do a couple of high priced celebrity fundraisers. Are you in LA, or would your friends and family have been at any of those events?”

“No, but still. She could’ve gotten me sick! She’s dangerous! How dare she! Argle bargle ELEVENTY!”

Me: “So to review, you wouldn’t have been anywhere around Hillary. Nobody you know would’ve been around Hillary. And you’re not in LA. Why is this is a problem again?”

“ZOMG YOU HAVE NO EMPATHY FOR THE SICK. TYPICAL DUMBOCRAT. DERP.”

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ObserverArt  Sep 12, 2016 • 10:35:45am

re: #347 The Vicious Babushka

Talking Points Memo ✔ @TPM
Trump to Clinton: Apologize for “deplorables” insult or drop outhttp://bit.ly
1:16 PM - 12 Sep 2016
5 5 Retweets 5 5 likes]

Hey Donnie of Big Orange.

You wish. It does not work like that.

What a tough guy he is…not.

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Charles Johnson  Sep 12, 2016 • 10:36:09am
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A wild WITHAK appeared!  Sep 12, 2016 • 10:36:52am

re: #367 Sir John Barron

Not to mention that Trump is about as religious as my office door.

I could better approximate a devout Christian than Trump, and I’ve been a recovering Catholic atheist for ~25 years.

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jaunte  Sep 12, 2016 • 10:36:53am
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jaunte  Sep 12, 2016 • 10:39:23am

Today’s ironic juxtaposition from the “Fox News Insider” email.

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Alyosha  Sep 12, 2016 • 10:40:43am

Anyways. I hope my inadvertent concern trolling didn’t make anyone hate me too much. I’m going to leave it there, but I paged my rant if you want to give me grief in the comments. It’s how I’ll grow :)

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wrenchwench  Sep 12, 2016 • 10:40:52am

re: #371 Charles Johnson

[The face of the Republican Party.]

Where’s his basket?

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BeachDem  Sep 12, 2016 • 10:41:04am

re: #365 Alyosha

The problem seems to be that Clinton furnishing the relevant details of the Foundation’s contributors and distributions creates a wealth of information that the media can pick apart.
Trump has put nothing out. Nothing to pick over. Nothing to scrutinize.
That’s the problem.
As a media outlet you need documents to pore over. To find the discrepancies, and to call them out.
Trump has given NOTHING.
Maybe the limit of the 24 hour news cycle is that it’s just too much damn time to demand proof for something they’ll never get willingly.

Maybe they had to relearn journalism.

Real investigative journalism doesn’t require being given documents. Real journalists go in search of the documents, like the Spotlight team at the Boston Globe.

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Franklin  Sep 12, 2016 • 10:41:54am

re: #374 jaunte

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Today’s ironic juxtaposition from the “Fox News Insider” email.

Funny thing about that is, Kaepernick doesn’t play until tonight, on the 12th :)

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Timothy Watson  Sep 12, 2016 • 10:42:42am

re: #377 BeachDem

Real investigative journalism doesn’t require being given documents. Real journalists go in search of the documents, like the Spotlight team at the Boston Globe.

Or the guy tracking the alleged donations from Trump’s foundation.

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Belafon  Sep 12, 2016 • 10:42:45am

re: #374 jaunte

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Today’s ironic juxtaposition from the “Fox News Insider” email.

Well, Jeanine, if that’s how you feel, then she was talking about you, not to you.

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Belafon  Sep 12, 2016 • 10:43:21am

re: #377 BeachDem

Real investigative journalism doesn’t require being given documents. Real journalists go in search of the documents, like the Spotlight team at the Boston Globe.

Like the reporter calling every freakin’ charity in the country to find out where Trump has given.

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Sir John Barron  Sep 12, 2016 • 10:44:32am

re: #374 jaunte

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Today’s ironic juxtaposition from the “Fox News Insider” email.

I hope this doesn’t mean that Hillary has lost the all-important Jeanine Piro vote.

////

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Sir John Barron  Sep 12, 2016 • 10:45:58am

re: #374 jaunte

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Today’s ironic juxtaposition from the “Fox News Insider” email.

I bet Kaep goes, “Wow, OK, Eric-dude, just to please you, I’ll be sure to stand up during the anthem. Whatever you say, Master.”

/

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sagehen  Sep 12, 2016 • 10:46:26am
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The 40% who don’t think Trump is biased against women and minorities… would that be the 40% who aren’t women or minorities?

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Dr. Matt  Sep 12, 2016 • 10:47:03am

CIA Director Challenges Trump’s Claim About Intelligence Briefers’ ‘Body Language’

But, the MSM will ignore this because Hillary is coughing.

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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 12, 2016 • 10:47:04am

re: #367 Sir John Barron

Not to mention that Trump is about as religious as my office door.

Does you office door open to the poor and needy? Then your office door is more religious than Trump.

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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 12, 2016 • 10:47:56am

re: #380 Belafon

Well, Jeanine, if that’s how you feel, then she was talking about you, not to you.

I can’t trust a judge with ducklips.

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Belafon  Sep 12, 2016 • 10:48:35am

re: #384 sagehen

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The 40% who don’t think Trump is biased against women and minorities… would that be the 40% who aren’t women or minorities?

I think it’s more the 40% of people, including women, who will vote for him even if he grabs his daughter’s ass on stage.

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BeachDem  Sep 12, 2016 • 10:49:35am

re: #379 Timothy Watson

Or the guy tracking the alleged donations from Trump’s foundation.

Yeah, he’s doing great work. Let’s give him name credit—David Farenthold.

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lawhawk  Sep 12, 2016 • 10:52:17am

re: #371 Charles Johnson

Reply
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BeachDem  Sep 12, 2016 • 10:52:52am

re: #389 BeachDem

Yeah, he’s doing great work. Let’s give him name credit—David Farenthold.

Jeez—I give him name credit, then spell his name wrong

David Fahrenthold.

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Nyet  Sep 12, 2016 • 10:54:56am

re: #371 Charles Johnson

It’s the face itself, but it’s the shadow too.

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Decatur Deb  Sep 12, 2016 • 10:57:14am

Forwarded from an old British/Israeli co-worker in Herlzyia:
25logicalreasonstovotefordonaldtrump.com

(This has shown up on DU recently.)

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sagehen  Sep 12, 2016 • 11:00:11am

For handy reference purposes:

The Many Scandals of Donald Trump: A Cheat Sheet
theatlantic.com

recently updated

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jeffreyw  Sep 12, 2016 • 11:11:45am

...

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Jebediah, RBG  Sep 12, 2016 • 11:14:06am

re: #246 Dave In Austin

So sorry for your loss. There really is nothing better than a good dog, it sounds like you had a time with a great one. Good for you and him.

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ObserverArt  Sep 12, 2016 • 11:15:53am

Regarding our media. I still think the biggest factor in how they report is due to making money.

There was a time when all you had to do was have a newspaper and the money rolled in. Remember classified ads? Remember those Sunday editions that had the multiple sections just of classified ads. Do you know how much money those ads generated? And they brought in all that money because that was how businesses and people advertised. From job listings, to selling used cars and household goods. They listed homes for sale and apartments for rent. It was how business was done.

Those classifieds and the other advertising in newspapers made so much damn money the papers could have real reporters and editors out running through the weeds hunting down every snake story known to man. They could pay them, and they were protected because no one could take them on. Those old big newspapers had the power. Money.

No more.

Same for magazines. Remember complaining about getting a big fat magazine and it was two-thirds ads? Those ads weren’t cheap and they brought in huge piles of cash to pay writers and photographers, illustrators, etc. They had money…they had power.

Not so much anymore.

Since the ‘net broke out all that has gone away for printed media. In many ways it has gone away for TV media too, though not to the same degree as paper media. But, cable didn’t help TV because the old three or five channels in a large city concentrated revenue to those channels and their bigger broadcast partners.

Cable blew up and people were able to go elsewhere than where they used to watch. It diluted the markets and with that the money.

Since about the late 80s media has been undergoing so much change that in a way everyone was scattered to the winds. The mid 90s brought the big explosion of the ‘net. more wind scattering.

Sure it was all good for the viewer, but it put the hurts to the money flow. Now everyone had to scramble to get the money flowing in new ways.

I think, sadly, one of those ways was to sell to whoever was buying. Fox News hit it big. They knew they had a ready market with the elderly people scared of all the change, the liberalization of so much. The had a target audience. They could sell them anything, and the advertisers rode along because of a concentrated audience already packaged.

So, in a roundabout way I make the point all the media is doing is finding the easy targets to sell to. They do enough studies and they know enough from their data that dumping on a Clinton is business. Has been since 1992.

It is easy to dump on a Clinton. Everyone can do it! Even low paid writers and cheap editors just glad to have a job.

And, for some reason, I’m almost betting those same studies and data do not show it is lucrative to Dump on a Trump. One big reason, he is unknown compared to a Clinton. The fact that he is unknown (to them…we know who he is) and is “hanging in there with a Clinton” is a ready made easy to sell story too. So they go with it.

Bang on Clinton, lay off a bit on Trump…damn we make the big story. It sells. Who cares bout details, truth, fairness…it sells!

And I really believe that is what we are seeing. Easy, lazy ways to make money. They do not care about the truth. Truth is they just want to make money. Some need to make money to stay in business. I always had a newspaper subscription. I do not have one anymore.

Deep down I bet a lot of them cringe at what they do, but they do it anyway because they think it keeps the doors open, the printing presses running and the TVs turned on. It is nothing more than that.

Until there is once again stable platforms of info delivery that can be counted on (remember even Charles battles to make money…and many do not like the ads, etc. is part of the ‘net problems) to generate the bucks that make the owner feel they can report what they want and say it how it should be said, this is not going to change.

There was a reason we had the Murrows, Cronkites, Brinkleys, of the past. They could afford to pay them and they could afford to take the heat, because they had the piggybanks to withstand any criticisms. They had the money, they had the power.

Sorry for the book. I just felt we sometimes miss why we are in the media desert we are in and wanted to make a point of why we may be parched for truth.

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Jebediah, RBG  Sep 12, 2016 • 11:16:12am

re: #248 The Vicious Babushka

Won’t he be surprised when it is him ends up sprawled out on the floor…. I really wouldn’t be that surprised if she could actually kick his ass.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 12, 2016 • 11:21:26am

re: #379 Timothy Watson

Or the guy tracking the alleged donations from Trump’s foundation.

Reply
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sagehen  Sep 12, 2016 • 11:24:47am

re: #397 ObserverArt

There was a reason we had the Murrows, Cronkites, Brinkleys, of the past. They could afford to pay them and they could afford to take the heat, because they had the piggybanks to withstand any criticisms. They had the money, they had the power.

And because 3 TV networks, 2 radio networks, and a handful of independents, each doing less than 10 hours a week of news… all combined only needed a few dozen on-air talents and a few dozen stories a week. They could be picky.

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Barefoot Grin  Sep 12, 2016 • 11:26:17am

re: #352 jaunte

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Anyone reporting on our new official religious unification?

There is no dog but god.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Sep 12, 2016 • 3:21:04pm

re: #251 allegro

If dogs/cats could talk
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Anymouse  Sep 13, 2016 • 8:32:15am

re: #246 Dave In Austin

Dave, my condolences. Pets are family, and their loss is tough.


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