Breaking: Possible Explosion in Chelsea Neighborhood of New York City

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Not many details yet, but we’re seeing reports of a large explosion in the West Side Manhattan neighborhood of Chelsea.

Donald Trump doesn’t know what happened, just like most of us don’t know what happened yet, but he’s already irresponsibly announced to the crowd at his rally in Colorado that it was “a bomb.”

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UPDATE at 9/17/16 6:24:14 pm by Charles Johnson
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FormerDirtDart  Sep 17, 2016 • 6:23:54pm
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Charles Johnson  Sep 17, 2016 • 6:24:39pm
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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 17, 2016 • 6:26:53pm

The media is finally waking up to the fact that Trump is just pulling crap out of his ass.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Sep 17, 2016 • 6:29:39pm

re: #1 FormerDirtDart

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Again, I’m not there now. But there’s been construction on the building in question for months.

So is this going to be yet another New York “terrorist bombing” that turns out to be a gas explosion?

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Interesting Times  Sep 17, 2016 • 6:29:57pm

re: #2 Charles Johnson

And then there was this, earlier today:

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If it really was an “IED” as the New York Alerts account says, it makes me wonder if it’s some sort of coordinated attack by D’aesh (or some useful idiot “lone wolves” using them as inspiration)

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FormerDirtDart  Sep 17, 2016 • 6:32:07pm

FDNY deploying ladders, seems contrary to type of actions that would be taken if they thought it was some type of planted device.
If IED, LE would first search area for secondaries, set to impact first responders…

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 17, 2016 • 6:33:44pm
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He is NYPD Assistant Commissioner for Communication & Public Information

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Sep 17, 2016 • 6:35:22pm

re: #6 FormerDirtDart

If it is a gas explosion, the people of NYC need to throw a fucking fit. This has been happening alot recently.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 17, 2016 • 6:35:47pm
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Charles Johnson  Sep 17, 2016 • 6:35:48pm
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FormerDirtDart  Sep 17, 2016 • 6:36:00pm
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Ziggy_TARDIS  Sep 17, 2016 • 6:39:05pm

re: #11 FormerDirtDart

That doesn’t look like the response to an attack. It’s all fire trucks.

Boston, you had police everywhere.

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Interesting Times  Sep 17, 2016 • 6:39:09pm

Well, I’m certainly hoping (for lack of a better word) that it turns out to be some sort of accident…but that earlier tweet about an “IED” is bugging me. What are they basing that on? If just a guess, seems rather irresponsible.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Sep 17, 2016 • 6:40:11pm

re: #10 Charles Johnson

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Like they give a shit about New York.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Sep 17, 2016 • 6:40:40pm

re: #9 Backwoods_Sleuth

Looking at the location, it would be a baffling location for an attack. There are no important sites or attractions nearby.

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Charles Johnson  Sep 17, 2016 • 6:40:45pm

An IED in a dumpster doesn’t sound like an ISIS attack.

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FormerDirtDart  Sep 17, 2016 • 6:41:07pm
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FormerDirtDart  Sep 17, 2016 • 6:42:08pm

re: #15 Ziggy_TARDIS

Looking at the location, it would be a baffling location for an attack. There are no important sites or attractions nearby.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 17, 2016 • 6:43:21pm
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Ziggy_TARDIS  Sep 17, 2016 • 6:43:33pm

re: #18 FormerDirtDart

This sorta feels like either the infrastructure is attacking the people of NYC again. Or some dumbass wanted to make a big boom for lolz. That happens sometimes.

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Weaselone  Sep 17, 2016 • 6:43:48pm

re: #13 Interesting Times

Well, I’m certainly hoping (for lack of a better word) that it turns out to be some sort of accident…but that earlier tweet about an “IED” is bugging me. What are they basing that on? If just a guess, seems rather irresponsible.

New York City Alerts isn’t an official twitter account.

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ipsos  Sep 17, 2016 • 6:44:53pm

re: #20 Ziggy_TARDIS

Down dinged for your “t” word. Not cool hereabouts.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Sep 17, 2016 • 6:45:25pm

re: #22 ipsos

Ok. It will be removed.

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ipsos  Sep 17, 2016 • 6:48:26pm

re: #23 Ziggy_TARDIS

Ok. It will be removed.

Thank you. We’re better than that here, or so I like to think.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 17, 2016 • 6:50:00pm
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Trumpia est omnis divisa in duo calathi(Sophist)  Sep 17, 2016 • 6:50:05pm

Everything about this screams “amateur hour”.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Sep 17, 2016 • 6:51:26pm
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There was insufficient twine to truss it properly.

I said fuck it, made it up as I went along anyway. Which is primarily how the whole thing is moving along.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Sep 17, 2016 • 6:54:04pm

OT: From the latest RISKS Digest: Another Tesla Fatality:

A Tesla model-S car crashed into a tree at high speed on 7 September in
Baarn, The Netherlands, killing the driver. The impact caused parts of the
battery to be scattered around, causing small fires that were difficult to
extinguish. The car itself also caught fire after some time. The rescue
team did not dare approach the wreckage for fear of electrocution.

The driver was already dead (did the rescue workers know for sure?), but
what if there had been survivors inside the wreck?

Tesla stated within a day that telemetry showed that the speed at impact was
155 km/h (about 95 mph) and that the “autopilot” mode was not enabled.

I want to make two points:

1. The battery of electric cars, not only Tesla’s, presents a hazard in case
of a violent accident that is only starting to be realized. In particular
if the battery is severely damaged.

2. The fact that Tesla was able to provide detailed data from telemetry
shows the extent to which they are following their cars. This should
raise serious privacy concerns. And, of course, what guarantees are
there that the manufacturer is telling the truth? If the car is somehow
to blame, would they tell?

[A little browsing turned up somewhat diverse reports. In any event, If
the “autopilot” was not involved, this might reinforce Don Norman’s
argument that semi-automated cars are inherently dangerous, and that total
automation is ultimately necessary. PGN]

Methinks the more lithium-powered cars start hitting the road this problem is going to get very worse very quickly due to the crapification factor that will inevitably happen.

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teleskiguy  Sep 17, 2016 • 6:55:20pm
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teleskiguy  Sep 17, 2016 • 6:57:19pm
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teleskiguy  Sep 17, 2016 • 6:58:12pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 17, 2016 • 6:58:48pm
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Ziggy_TARDIS  Sep 17, 2016 • 6:58:55pm

They mentioned it being close to a home for the blind.

I wonder if it could be similar to the incident in Japan.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Sep 17, 2016 • 6:59:25pm

re: #31 teleskiguy

Gas explosions seem to be happening in NYC alot these days.

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allegro  Sep 17, 2016 • 7:01:14pm

Has Donald been eating taco bowls from his grill again? How far away is this explosion?

Just asking questions…

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jaunte  Sep 17, 2016 • 7:02:19pm
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Ziggy_TARDIS  Sep 17, 2016 • 7:02:46pm

Right now, in terms of cause, I am Team Gas Explosion.

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Feline Fearless Leader  Sep 17, 2016 • 7:03:45pm

re: #28 Eric The Fruit Bat

People will start strapping Galaxy phone batteries to the Telsa batteries and then let nature takes its course.

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Charles Johnson  Sep 17, 2016 • 7:03:50pm

This is not looking like a terrorist attack. There would be much more escalation of the response if it was.

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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 17, 2016 • 7:04:25pm

The truth hurts, SMOTI

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Sep 17, 2016 • 7:05:33pm

re: #38 Feline Fearless Leader

Or early MacBook batteries…

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Charles Johnson  Sep 17, 2016 • 7:05:54pm
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jaunte  Sep 17, 2016 • 7:06:32pm

re: #40 The Vicious Babushka

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jaunte  Sep 17, 2016 • 7:07:36pm
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Ziggy_TARDIS  Sep 17, 2016 • 7:08:47pm

re: #39 Charles Johnson

I hope the people of New York escalate their response to this. Because this keeps happening. Their needs to be maintenance, and replacement of infrastructure.

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teleskiguy  Sep 17, 2016 • 7:09:04pm
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No one was injured.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Sep 17, 2016 • 7:09:29pm

re: #44 jaunte

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Of course. In the wingnut-o-sphere, it’s now a “terrorist attack”. The real cause doesn’t matter.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 17, 2016 • 7:09:39pm
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FormerDirtDart  Sep 17, 2016 • 7:10:43pm

Construction site dumpster explosion, I’m wondering if it is not a union work site…

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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 17, 2016 • 7:11:11pm

re: #42 Charles Johnson

Which is odd because he got absolutely ZERO boost from Orlando and, as I recall, was quite pissed about it.

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jaunte  Sep 17, 2016 • 7:11:29pm

re: #47 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Of course. In the wingnut-o-sphere, it’s now a”terrorist attack”. The real cause doesn’t matter.

OBAMA: “Hope is on the ballot, and fear is on the ballot too.”

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Timothy Watson  Sep 17, 2016 • 7:11:35pm

re: #46 teleskiguy

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No one was injured.

Now anything down to a soda bottle explosion is going to reported as ZOMG HUGE EXPLOSION!1!!!!

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teleskiguy  Sep 17, 2016 • 7:11:48pm
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Charles Johnson  Sep 17, 2016 • 7:13:17pm
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teleskiguy  Sep 17, 2016 • 7:13:46pm
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FormerDirtDart  Sep 17, 2016 • 7:13:52pm
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Ziggy_TARDIS  Sep 17, 2016 • 7:14:13pm

re: #54 Charles Johnson

They’ve taken all of my chill. :(

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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 17, 2016 • 7:14:30pm

re: #54 Charles Johnson

Just like weirdos in Las Vegas or drunks on Bourbon Street in New Orleans. Locals get use to things.

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FormerDirtDart  Sep 17, 2016 • 7:14:40pm
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Ziggy_TARDIS  Sep 17, 2016 • 7:15:35pm

re: #56 FormerDirtDart

The construction thing makes me even more confident it was a gas explosion.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 17, 2016 • 7:16:38pm

This also reminds me of how people around here in the hurricane zone will mock the Weather Channel whenever the next “Storm of the century” rolls in. Seriously, for us down here, usually a Cat 1 isn’t anything but a bad wind and rain storm.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 17, 2016 • 7:17:09pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 17, 2016 • 7:17:10pm

If It was a gas explosion and with that many injured, I foresee many lawsuits in the City of New York’s future…

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Sep 17, 2016 • 7:18:44pm

re: #60 Ziggy_TARDIS

The construction thing makes me even more confident it was a gas explosion.

Sidewalk torn up, gas leadin exposed, the guys shoving those dumpsters around are usually pretty brutal with it, it ruptures the line, gas leaks, eventually there’s a spark. That’s my prediction.

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teleskiguy  Sep 17, 2016 • 7:18:51pm

This is so true right now.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 17, 2016 • 7:19:14pm
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Ziggy_TARDIS  Sep 17, 2016 • 7:20:52pm

re: #61 Eclectic Cyborg

I have learned to ignore categories, and look at size more.

Let’s look at the Top 5 Costliest Storms in US History, with categories at landfall included.

Hurricane Katrina, $108 Billion, Category 3
Hurricane Sandy, $60-80 Billion(?), Category 1
Hurricane Ike, $30 Billion, Category 2
Hurricane Andrew, $27 Billion, Category 5
Hurricane Wilma, $21 Billion, Category 3.

Size is more important.

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bratwurst  Sep 17, 2016 • 7:20:53pm

DEVLOPING BULLSHIT…

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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 17, 2016 • 7:20:59pm

I almost wish this had happened at Trump Tower. The metaphor would have been too perfect.

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jaunte  Sep 17, 2016 • 7:21:56pm

re: #68 bratwurst

RIGGED SYSTEM!!!

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Charles Johnson  Sep 17, 2016 • 7:22:11pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 17, 2016 • 7:22:44pm

re: #70 jaunte

RIGGED SYSTEM!!!

They’re not upset about that, they’re upset that they don’t get to be the ones doing the rigging.

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jaunte  Sep 17, 2016 • 7:22:51pm

Unfair debate rules specify contestants must speak in connected, intelligible sentences.

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Charles Johnson  Sep 17, 2016 • 7:24:13pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 17, 2016 • 7:24:45pm

re: #73 jaunte

Unfair debate rules specify contestants must speak in connected, intelligible sentences.

“Each candidate will be allowed to say the following words or phrases no more than five times: Believe me, best, wall, sad, loser, Obama”

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FormerDirtDart  Sep 17, 2016 • 7:25:47pm

Charlottesville, Virginia

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Sep 17, 2016 • 7:26:20pm

re: #74 Charles Johnson

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Can we stop calling stuff “terrorism” until it induces some…you know…terror?

“WTF was that noise?” is not terror.

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Schroedinger's Dog  Sep 17, 2016 • 7:26:50pm

Turned Fox on and they had two of the most unintentionally hilatious interviews. One was a walking dialog, “Well I think the explosionre: #75 Eclectic Cyborg

“Each candidate will be allowed to say the following words or phrases no more than five times: Believe me, best, wall, sad, loser, Obama”

Trump: “Why wont they let me talk?”

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Brian J.  Sep 17, 2016 • 7:27:07pm

re: #76 FormerDirtDart

Charlottesville, Virginia

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So this explosion is… something less than meets the eye?

(rimshot)

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Sep 17, 2016 • 7:27:23pm

FFS, can’t people start using the 24-hour rule for news again?

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Schroedinger's Dog  Sep 17, 2016 • 7:27:32pm

re: #77 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Can we stop calling stuff “terrorism” until it induces some…you know…terror?

“WTF was that noise?” is not terror.

Mrs. Barnum says that every night. I usually blame the dog.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 17, 2016 • 7:27:44pm
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Ziggy_TARDIS  Sep 17, 2016 • 7:28:03pm

re: #76 FormerDirtDart

That’s gonna be a costly thing to replace.

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Timothy Watson  Sep 17, 2016 • 7:28:11pm

re: #81 Schroedinger’s Dog

Mrs. Barnum says that every night. I usually blame the dog.

My money is usually on a cat here.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Sep 17, 2016 • 7:28:45pm

re: #79 Brian J.

You know, in some countries that pun would be bad enough to warrant a prison sentence.

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sagehen  Sep 17, 2016 • 7:28:48pm

re: #37 Ziggy_TARDIS

Right now, in terms of cause, I am Team Gas Explosion.

Right now, in terms of cause, I am Team Backwards B.

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Barefoot Grin  Sep 17, 2016 • 7:29:29pm

re: #82 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Gelato and wine: $50
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FormerDirtDart  Sep 17, 2016 • 7:30:05pm

re: #37 Ziggy_TARDIS

Right now, in terms of cause, I am Team Gas Explosion.

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Schroedinger's Dog  Sep 17, 2016 • 7:30:12pm

re: #84 Timothy Watson

My money is usually on a cat here.

Ever share popcorn with a dog? The smell is….incredible.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Sep 17, 2016 • 7:31:19pm

re: #88 FormerDirtDart

Whelp, I was wrong.

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retired cynic  Sep 17, 2016 • 7:33:15pm

re: #90 Ziggy_TARDIS

Whelp, I was wrong.

Why can’t a lot of people say that? It is so easy!

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jaunte  Sep 17, 2016 • 7:33:15pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 17, 2016 • 7:33:24pm
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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Sep 17, 2016 • 7:33:47pm

re: #86 sagehen

Right now, in terms of cause, I am Team Backwards B.

I’m Team Chicken For Dinner.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Sep 17, 2016 • 7:34:02pm

re: #91 retired cynic

Pride. Mostly.

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retired cynic  Sep 17, 2016 • 7:34:33pm

re: #95 Ziggy_TARDIS

Pride. Mostly.

Or Trumpism.

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Brian J.  Sep 17, 2016 • 7:34:33pm

re: #91 retired cynic

Why can’t a lot of people say that? It is so easy!

I’d hold off on even saying that until something official is announced.

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Barefoot Grin  Sep 17, 2016 • 7:34:42pm

re: #89 Schroedinger’s Dog

Ever share popcorn with a dog? The smell is….incredible.

We were house-sitting for a family when our first child was born. The house came with a dachshund; the baby came with the usual shit you have to buy. One time my wife was careless and left the baby bag on the floor. The dachshund ate an entire medium-sized jar of petroleum jelly. The smell—I’m surprised the neighbors didn’t complain.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Sep 17, 2016 • 7:34:57pm

re: #90 Ziggy_TARDIS

Whelp, I was wrong.

Me too.

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electrotek  Sep 17, 2016 • 7:35:04pm

Should I go out tonight then?

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Charles Johnson  Sep 17, 2016 • 7:35:57pm
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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Sep 17, 2016 • 7:36:15pm

re: #100 electrotek

Should I go out tonight then?

If you had planned to…?

I don’t see any reason not to.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 17, 2016 • 7:36:17pm

heh

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electrotek  Sep 17, 2016 • 7:36:25pm

re: #16 Charles Johnson

An IED in a dumpster doesn’t sound like an ISIS attack.

Nope. If it was remotely ISIS/Da’esh or al-Qaeda then it would have involved a vehicle fitted with explosives, like the one in Times Square 6 years ago.

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Charles Johnson  Sep 17, 2016 • 7:36:26pm
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Schroedinger's Dog  Sep 17, 2016 • 7:36:37pm

re: #98 Barefoot Grin

We were house-sitting for a family when our first child was born. The house came with a dachshund; the baby came with the usual shit you have to buy. One time my wife was careless and left the baby bag on the floor. The dachshund ate an entire medium-sized jar of petroleum jelly. The smell—I’m surprised the neighbors didn’t complain.

Dachshunds are just biological vaccum cleaners

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FormerDirtDart  Sep 17, 2016 • 7:36:59pm
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Barefoot Grin  Sep 17, 2016 • 7:37:34pm

re: #100 electrotek

Should I go out tonight then?

No.

It’s almost bedtime.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Sep 17, 2016 • 7:38:05pm

re: #104 electrotek

A lot of political bombings in the 70s and 80s were like this.

Same thing here?

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ipsos  Sep 17, 2016 • 7:38:08pm

I am firmly on Team 24-Hour Rule.

*turning off the phone, NOT turning on cable nooz, going to bed*

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Brian J.  Sep 17, 2016 • 7:38:14pm

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Ace-o-aces  Sep 17, 2016 • 7:38:18pm

re: #68 bratwurst

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Sep 17, 2016 • 7:38:30pm

re: #110 ipsos

I am firmly on Team 24-Hour Rule.

*turning off the phone, NOT turning on cable nooz, going to bed*

Pfffffffffft, I still have dinner in the oven.

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electrotek  Sep 17, 2016 • 7:38:48pm

re: #108 Barefoot Grin

No.

It’s almost bedtime.

re: #109 Ziggy_TARDIS

A lot of political bombings in the 70s and 80s were like this.

Same thing here?

One might infer, but then again it would have been targeting specific groups or individuals, not a random target.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Sep 17, 2016 • 7:38:58pm

re: #104 electrotek

And some people are just giant cocksores, and like blowing shit up for fun in places they shouldn’t.

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makeitstop  Sep 17, 2016 • 7:39:09pm

My guess - if the dumpster was on fire prior to exploding, there may have been a pressurized canister of some sort inside the dumpster.

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FormerDirtDart  Sep 17, 2016 • 7:39:12pm
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Ziggy_TARDIS  Sep 17, 2016 • 7:39:34pm

re: #114 electrotek

This seems so random, it is difficult to explain.

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Barefoot Grin  Sep 17, 2016 • 7:40:23pm

re: #112 Ace-o-aces

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ipsos  Sep 17, 2016 • 7:40:26pm

re: #113 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Pfffffffffft, I still have dinner in the oven.

Those pesky time zones..

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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 17, 2016 • 7:40:27pm

re: #80 Eric The Fruit Bat

FFS, can’t people start using the 24-hour rule for news again?

They don’t even follow a 24-minute rule.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 17, 2016 • 7:40:30pm
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Brian J.  Sep 17, 2016 • 7:41:05pm

re: #121 The Vicious Babushka

They don’t even follow a 24-minute rule.

Or even the 24-second shot clock. And thanks to the Internet, none of the nonsense ever truly goes away.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 17, 2016 • 7:41:12pm
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stpaulbear  Sep 17, 2016 • 7:41:27pm

I’ll put my dime on sloppy (or sneaky) control of construction waste that was going into the dumpster.

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Barefoot Grin  Sep 17, 2016 • 7:41:43pm

re: #122 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Hillary-supporting New Yorkers in league with ISIS!

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Interesting Times  Sep 17, 2016 • 7:41:51pm
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Charles Johnson  Sep 17, 2016 • 7:41:58pm
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ipsos  Sep 17, 2016 • 7:42:16pm

re: #118 Ziggy_TARDIS

This seems so random, it is difficult to explain.

Life’s like that, sometimes.

Doubly so in NYC.

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FormerDirtDart  Sep 17, 2016 • 7:43:27pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 17, 2016 • 7:44:16pm

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makeitstop  Sep 17, 2016 • 7:44:42pm

re: #125 stpaulbear

I’ll put my dime on sloppy (or sneaky) control of construction waste that was going into the dumpster.

Which may include my guess - maybe a propane tank or fire extinguisher in the dumpster..

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Belafon  Sep 17, 2016 • 7:45:11pm

re: #93 Backwoods_Sleuth

I like unrestrained Soledad.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 17, 2016 • 7:45:27pm
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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 17, 2016 • 7:45:33pm
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stpaulbear  Sep 17, 2016 • 7:47:27pm

re: #134 Backwoods_Sleuth

Press conference with @NYPDONeill @BilldeBlasio and @FDNY will happen around 11 p.m.

Rumors will circle the globe a dozen times before 11.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 17, 2016 • 7:50:32pm

meanwhile in Minnesota:

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Sep 17, 2016 • 7:52:38pm

Meanwhile, here on Team Chicken For Dinner, the next challenge appears:

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teleskiguy  Sep 17, 2016 • 7:53:15pm

Instagram

From the roof and a block from the explosion in #Chelsea.

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Romantic Heretic  Sep 17, 2016 • 7:53:20pm

re: #78 Schroedinger’s Dog

Trump: “Why wont they let me talk?”

Can what you do with your mouth accurately be called talking, Mr. Trump?

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FormerDirtDart  Sep 17, 2016 • 7:54:19pm
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retired cynic  Sep 17, 2016 • 7:56:12pm

re: #138 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Meanwhile, here on Team Chicken For Dinner, the next challenge appears:

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electrotek  Sep 17, 2016 • 7:56:23pm

Have Alex Jones and their ilk called it a ‘false-flag’ attack already?

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FormerDirtDart  Sep 17, 2016 • 7:56:39pm
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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Sep 17, 2016 • 7:56:46pm

re: #142 retired cynic

First, remove the string.

When it’s done resting.

Apparently it needs a nap after baking roasting.

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Teukka  Sep 17, 2016 • 7:56:55pm

Re: The Explosion in Chelsea, NYC.

Here’s my $.02:

1) There has been talk of a construction dumpster fire in connection with this. Well, construction sites do use stuff which comes in aerosol cans (e.g. PU foam), and I know that empty aerosol cans in a fire can pack quite a violent punch. So, some local *moo* sets fire to a dumpster “just because”, it burns unattended long enough for it reach a collection of aerosol cans in the pile. *poof*

2) Some delusional RWNJ discovers (s)he’s in Chelsea, and is overcome with hate for the Clintons and decides to strike a blow ////////////

*wanders off and ducks behind the sand bags*

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Sep 17, 2016 • 7:57:05pm

re: #144 FormerDirtDart

They could have just said Trump and saved an awful lot of characters there…

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makeitstop  Sep 17, 2016 • 7:57:37pm

Whoever this Steve Rogers from the FBI Joint Terrorism Task Force is on CNN, he’s really being a dick. Sounding like a Trump guy.

EDIT: Sorry, he was on Fox. Explains it.

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Romantic Heretic  Sep 17, 2016 • 8:00:14pm

re: #138 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Meanwhile, here on Team Chicken For Dinner, the next challenge appears:

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I think you have to get the grass out of its ass first.

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retired cynic  Sep 17, 2016 • 8:00:23pm

re: #145 klys (maker of Silmarils)

When it’s done resting.

Apparently it needs a nap after baking roasting.

If you cut the string and the legs and thighs fall off, it’s done. /

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stpaulbear  Sep 17, 2016 • 8:00:53pm

re: #148 makeitstop

Whoever this Steve Rogers from the FBI Joint Terrorism Task Force is on CNN, he’s really being a dick. Sounding like a Trump guy.

And with that I think I’ll go fold some clothes, listen to a record, and check back on this story tomorrow morning.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Sep 17, 2016 • 8:01:43pm

re: #149 Romantic Heretic

I think you have to get the grass out of its ass first.

Hey, it’s organic grass!

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Great White Snark  Sep 17, 2016 • 8:02:10pm

re: #143 electrotek

Have Alex Jones and their ilk called it a ‘false-flag’ attack already?

Gas main fail, motive uncertain. ///

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Sep 17, 2016 • 8:02:22pm
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FormerDirtDart  Sep 17, 2016 • 8:04:19pm

re: #107 FormerDirtDart

Tennessee GOP Charlottesville tweet a fake account

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Great White Snark  Sep 17, 2016 • 8:04:21pm

In foodie news, DPRK Gourmet

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FormerDirtDart  Sep 17, 2016 • 8:05:48pm
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bratwurst  Sep 17, 2016 • 8:06:51pm

re: #154 klys (maker of Silmarils)

And Don Lemon is hosting there…which is the sound of me turning the channel.

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electrotek  Sep 17, 2016 • 8:08:11pm

Could this be a possible dry run akin to the vehicle fitted with fuel canisters caught at Paris’ Notre Dame a few days ago?

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FormerDirtDart  Sep 17, 2016 • 8:08:19pm
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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Sep 17, 2016 • 8:08:23pm

Chicken not actually done. My thermometer lied to me. Or I put it in the wrong spot. Both possible.

Anyway the gin and tonic is tasty so whatever.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 17, 2016 • 8:09:56pm

re: #27 klys (maker of Silmarils)

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There was insufficient twine to truss it properly.

I said fuck it, made it up as I went along anyway. Which is primarily how the whole thing is moving along.

Had I but known, I could have brought you a couple dozen feet of kitchen twine.

And a trussing needle.

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blueraven  Sep 17, 2016 • 8:10:08pm

Helluva first day for the new NYC police commissioner, James O’Neill.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Sep 17, 2016 • 8:10:23pm

re: #162 Blind Frog Belly White

Had I but known, I could have brought you a couple dozen feet of kitchen twine.

And a trussing needle.

Whole Foods was out.

The nerve.

Safeway didn’t even carry it.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Sep 17, 2016 • 8:10:58pm

re: #156 Great White Snark

In foodie news, DPRK Gourmet

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Although this account is a parody, sometimes their tweets sound like the real thing. Kim was recently photographed at a farm, looking over ears of corns stacked for his convenience, and the caption was like “North Korean leader advises farmers on the proper way to grow maize.” As if he knows anything about farming.

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jaunte  Sep 17, 2016 • 8:11:03pm
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If you want to know more about a man look at the people he raised.

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Belafon  Sep 17, 2016 • 8:11:17pm

I wonder if Trump suggested bombing Iran or North Korea first.

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jaunte  Sep 17, 2016 • 8:11:44pm

re: #166 jaunte

Oh it’s Denald Jr.! Got me.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Sep 17, 2016 • 8:11:47pm

re: #167 Belafon

I wonder if Trump suggested bombing Iran or North Korea first.

Probably Canada.

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teleskiguy  Sep 17, 2016 • 8:12:15pm
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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Sep 17, 2016 • 8:12:24pm

re: #164 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Whole Foods was out.

The nerve.

Safeway didn’t even carry it.

Apparently no one cooks anymore. They just buy the roti chicken at the supermarket.

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Brian J.  Sep 17, 2016 • 8:12:27pm

re: #169 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Probably Canada.

“We must blame them and cause a fuss/ before somebody thinks of blaming US!”

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blueraven  Sep 17, 2016 • 8:12:43pm

re: #166 jaunte

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If you want to know more about a man look at the people he raised.

Think that is a fake acct.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Sep 17, 2016 • 8:12:59pm

re: #171 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Apparently no one cooks anymore. They just buy the roti chicken at the supermarket.

I’m trying!

And quite possibly failing miserably, but the thought counts, right?

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jaunte  Sep 17, 2016 • 8:13:22pm

re: #173 blueraven

Yes it is. I’ve been scammed again!

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teleskiguy  Sep 17, 2016 • 8:13:40pm
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Belafon  Sep 17, 2016 • 8:14:00pm

re: #174 klys (maker of Silmarils)

I’m trying!

And quite possibly failing miserably, but the thought counts, right?

We throw ours in a dutch oven, and drain it every so often while it’s cooking.

Edit: Not dutch oven. Gotta find what we use.

Edit2: Just a large roaster with a lid.

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electrotek  Sep 17, 2016 • 8:14:05pm

re: #169 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Probably Canada.

I’m surprised Trump hasn’t name-dropped Ahmed Ressam yet.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Sep 17, 2016 • 8:14:07pm

re: #174 klys (maker of Silmarils)

mr. klys’s helpful suggestions during the cooking process involved buying a second chicken so he could put one on each hand and have a puppet show.

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FormerDirtDart  Sep 17, 2016 • 8:14:12pm

re: #173 blueraven

Think that is a fake acct.

You think?

“…Come join the devolution. #TrumpTrain #MakeAmericaGreatAgain Parody account…”

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jaunte  Sep 17, 2016 • 8:15:24pm

2016 has badly eroded my parody detector.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Sep 17, 2016 • 8:15:57pm

re: #181 jaunte

2016 has badly eroded my parody detector.

I can’t even get the irony meter guy to return my calls anymore. :(

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blueraven  Sep 17, 2016 • 8:16:31pm

re: #174 klys (maker of Silmarils)

I’m trying!

And quite possibly failing miserably, but the thought counts, right?

Roast Chicken can be difficult. I have had to cut the thing up after roasting and stick the individual pieces back in the oven to finish.

Good for you anyway. Keep on cooking.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Sep 17, 2016 • 8:16:34pm

re: #174 klys (maker of Silmarils)

I’m trying!

And quite possibly failing miserably, but the thought counts, right?

I’ve found the suggested cooking times for an X-pound bird work pretty well. IIRC my mom only used a thermometer for turkeys and roast beef, because of their size. Chickens are too wee for a thermometer, IMO.

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electrotek  Sep 17, 2016 • 8:18:09pm

Could it be that 2016 has become worse than 2015?

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Barefoot Grin  Sep 17, 2016 • 8:18:57pm

re: #179 klys (maker of Silmarils)

mr. klys’s helpful suggestions during the cooking process involved buying a second chicken so he could put one on each hand and have a puppet show.

Don’t recommend—bad theater turns chicken into ham.

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jaunte  Sep 17, 2016 • 8:19:16pm

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Barefoot Grin  Sep 17, 2016 • 8:20:47pm

re: #187 jaunte

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Sep 17, 2016 • 8:21:00pm

re: #184 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

I’ve found the suggested cooking times for an X-pound bird work pretty well. IIRC my mom only used a thermometer for turkeys and roast beef, because of their size. Chickens are too wee for a thermometer, IMO.

May have a way to go then, but it’s out and resting again and I’m cutting the damn thing up this time. Microwave and/or additional oven time to be deployed as necessary afterwards.

Quite clearly neither of us in this house have any clue what we’re doing so.

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Anymouse  Sep 17, 2016 • 8:21:32pm

re: #179 klys (maker of Silmarils)

mr. klys’s helpful suggestions during the cooking process involved buying a second chicken so he could put one on each hand and have a puppet show.

I’m back. Took a couple long walks, cooled down, downed a couple quarts of Old Overcoat, all better now.

My wife cooks chickens and and Canada geese the traditional way:

1) Kill ‘em
2) Defeather ‘em (I get to help with that)
3) Clean ‘em
4) Make hub clean up the mess
5) Proceed to roasting (chickens) or Cuisinart (geese, they’re tough).

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Dave In Austin  Sep 17, 2016 • 8:21:42pm

re: #174 klys (maker of Silmarils)

I’m trying!

And quite possibly failing miserably, but the thought counts, right?

Meat Thermometer is your friend.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Sep 17, 2016 • 8:22:00pm

re: #186 Barefoot Grin

Don’t recommend—bad theater turns chicken into ham.

I didn’t say I followed any of them.

(This is why I don’t sweat the age difference.)

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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 17, 2016 • 8:22:31pm

re: #170 teleskiguy

I wonder if I could get hooked up with a Vodka pipeline…

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calochortus  Sep 17, 2016 • 8:23:01pm

re: #174 klys (maker of Silmarils)

I’m trying!

And quite possibly failing miserably, but the thought counts, right?

Have you checked your oven temp for accuracy?

Also, when you roast meat you’re actually supposed to let it sit out for long enough before cooking that it gets somewhere near room temperature. As someone who was raised by a mother who never let anything sit out for more than about 15 minutes, ever, I find it difficult to plop a turkey on the counter (metaphorically speaking) for 90 minutes or so, but it really is OK, and helps the meat in the center actually get cooked without totally drying out the exterior parts. Time is, of course, related to the size of the meat in question. A chicken would be less than a turkey or large roast.

You don’t really need twine to truss the bird. I use thread and a sewing needle to sew up anything that needs to be sewn, and several strands of the same to tie things up.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Sep 17, 2016 • 8:24:05pm

re: #190 Anymouse

Glad to see you back. Sometimes tempers happen and the good thing to do is a walk.

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Dave In Austin  Sep 17, 2016 • 8:25:31pm

Aaand we’re off!

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teleskiguy  Sep 17, 2016 • 8:25:35pm
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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Sep 17, 2016 • 8:26:16pm

re: #194 calochortus

…well, the oven temp is actually 25 degrees above what the dial says (I know, because we have a thermometer in the oven because of this).

But I definitely didn’t do the room temperature thing. Next chicken, I guess.

I don’t give up after the first attempt, at least.

re: #191 Dave In Austin

a) The age and accuracy of our meat thermometer (which was used) is questionable.
b) That does rely on me putting it in the right place, also questionable.

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Anymouse  Sep 17, 2016 • 8:26:39pm

re: #195 klys (maker of Silmarils)

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Sep 17, 2016 • 8:28:24pm

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danarchy  Sep 17, 2016 • 8:28:35pm

re: #27 klys (maker of Silmarils)

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There was insufficient twine to truss it properly.

I said fuck it, made it up as I went along anyway. Which is primarily how the whole thing is moving along.

You should have spatchcocked it, no twine necessary and easier to cook evenly…and also I just like saying spatchcock

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Anymouse  Sep 17, 2016 • 8:28:47pm

re: #197 teleskiguy

How would a toolbox blow up a dumpster?

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makeitstop  Sep 17, 2016 • 8:29:10pm

O’Neill says they have video.

He sure ain’t scared of the NY media.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Sep 17, 2016 • 8:29:11pm

re: #201 danarchy

You should have spatchcocked it, no twine necessary and easier to cook evenly…and also I just like saying spatchcock

Yeah, but I wanted to try doing it properly in my nice fancy roast pan because I’d never done it before. :(

I will conquer this damn bird.

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Dave In Austin  Sep 17, 2016 • 8:29:24pm

Video….

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Varek Raith  Sep 17, 2016 • 8:30:10pm

FREAKOUT!
PANIC!
CARRY ON!

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Brian J.  Sep 17, 2016 • 8:30:40pm

re: #202 Anymouse

How would a toolbox blow up a dumpster?

And toolboxes are generally pretty sturdy, so why put a bomb in one?

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Sep 17, 2016 • 8:30:44pm

re: #205 Dave In Austin

Video….

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I’m going with the aerosol can + fire hypothesis.

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Charles Johnson  Sep 17, 2016 • 8:31:17pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 17, 2016 • 8:31:17pm

re: #202 Anymouse

How would a toolbox blow up a dumpster?

Was Tim Allen in the vicinity?

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Sep 17, 2016 • 8:31:30pm

re: #208 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

That would be one hell of an aerosol can.

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calochortus  Sep 17, 2016 • 8:31:49pm

re: #198 klys (maker of Silmarils)

…well, the oven temp is actually 25 degrees above what the dial says (I know, because we have a thermometer in the oven because of this).

But I definitely didn’t do the room temperature thing. Next chicken, I guess.

I don’t give up after the first attempt, at least.

a) The age and accuracy of our meat thermometer (which was used) is questionable.
b) That does rely on me putting it in the right place, also questionable.

One’s first roasted anything is generally far from perfect. At least there’s a simple fix for undercooked, that you already know-cook it longer. A lot of people recommend cooking poultry in pieces because it isn’t as easy as it appears to properly roast the component parts while they are still attached to each other.

You might be able to adjust your oven temp. There are magic codes that repair people know, which are likely on the internet these days. Or you can just turn it down so it’s at the right actual temp.

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Varek Raith  Sep 17, 2016 • 8:32:00pm

re: #208 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

I’m going with the aerosol can + fire hypothesis.

I’m going with a failed alien singularity device.
/Why not

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makeitstop  Sep 17, 2016 • 8:32:33pm

re: #211 Ziggy_TARDIS

That would one hell of an aerosol can.

Propane tank, fire extinguisher, maybe a large paint can.

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blueraven  Sep 17, 2016 • 8:33:03pm

So, they believe it was an intentional act.
No terrorist threat known at this time.
Possible secondary device at 27th street.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Sep 17, 2016 • 8:34:12pm

re: #213 Varek Raith

I’m going with a failed alien singularity device.
/Why not

Terminator robot materialized inside a dumpster instead of an open area.

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MsJ  Sep 17, 2016 • 8:34:24pm

re: #200 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Here’s a nice easy chicken roasting recipe. You can use the times alone.

If it’s not done now, crank it up to 450 and it’ll finish cooking and crisp the skin.

foodnetwork.com

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Charles Johnson  Sep 17, 2016 • 8:34:34pm

re: #166 jaunte

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If you want to know more about a man look at the people he raised.

Fake account - check the name.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 17, 2016 • 8:34:43pm

re: #216 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Terminator robot materialized inside a dumpster instead of an open area.

Is it bad I had the same thought? :P

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retired cynic  Sep 17, 2016 • 8:35:06pm

re: #212 calochortus

My first public meal was a pot roast. Can’t mess that up, right? How about a six by six piece of char?

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Trumpia est omnis divisa in duo calathi(Sophist)  Sep 17, 2016 • 8:35:13pm

re: #167 Belafon

I wonder if Trump suggested bombing Iran or North Korea first.

Yes.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Sep 17, 2016 • 8:35:23pm

re: #219 Eclectic Cyborg

Is it bad I had the same thought? :P

Nope.

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jaunte  Sep 17, 2016 • 8:35:29pm

re: #218 Charles Johnson

I missed the De.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Sep 17, 2016 • 8:36:41pm

re: #220 retired cynic

My first public meal was a pot roast. Can’t mess that up, right? How about a six by six piece of char?

I did that with a leg of lamb once. If you cut off the charred part, it was still pretty tasty.

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teleskiguy  Sep 17, 2016 • 8:36:51pm
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Anymouse  Sep 17, 2016 • 8:36:58pm

re: #220 retired cynic

My first public meal was a pot roast. Can’t mess that up, right? How about a six by six piece of char?

Mrs. Anymouse knows better than to let me anywhere near anything in the kitchen other than Tuna Helper boxes, or feeding the cat.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Sep 17, 2016 • 8:37:01pm

re: #198 klys (maker of Silmarils)

…well, the oven temp is actually 25 degrees above what the dial says (I know, because we have a thermometer in the oven because of this).

But I definitely didn’t do the room temperature thing. Next chicken, I guess.

I don’t give up after the first attempt, at least.

a) The age and accuracy of our meat thermometer (which was used) is questionable.
b) That does rely on me putting it in the right place, also questionable.

We used to have a NuWave oven and got totally spoiled. Rub chicken with oil, sprinkle with salt, 15 minutes a pound. Breast side down at first, turn halfway through—perfect.

However—they’re a bitch to clean, the plastic gets etched by every drop of hot grease, and whatever you do, do not put the dome all cattywhompus on that little rack like they show in the commercials. As it cools, the stress freezes into the acrylic, and eventually you’ll hear a loud ping and have a T-shaped crack all up the side and halfway around the top, curling in like a scroll.

I heartily recommend a Sharper Image-type unit with the big glass bowl—cannot emphasize “glass” enough—and the flat lid. It’s really the only way to roast a chicken.

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bratwurst  Sep 17, 2016 • 8:38:07pm
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retired cynic  Sep 17, 2016 • 8:38:29pm

re: #224 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

I did that with a leg of lamb once. If you cut off the charred part, it was still pretty tasty.

But it was solid char. Still not sure how I did that, 40+ years later!

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MsJ  Sep 17, 2016 • 8:38:43pm

re: #217 MsJ

Oh and when you put the thermometer in, stick it in the side of the breast sorta between the Breast and leg - more in the breast, and be sure you’re in the meat and not touching bone or the empty cavity. Air (if unstuffed) and bone both mess with the thermometer.

Stuffed birds take longer to cook than empty ones. I’d add 3-5 minutes per pound.

And be super generous with the salt. It’s what gives you a nice crisp skin.

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Trumpia est omnis divisa in duo calathi(Sophist)  Sep 17, 2016 • 8:38:57pm

re: #183 blueraven

Roast Chicken can be difficult. I have had to cut the thing up after roasting and stick the individual pieces back in the oven to finish.

Butterflying is your friend.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Sep 17, 2016 • 8:39:11pm

re: #229 retired cynic

But it was solid char. Still not sure how I did that, 40+ years later!

OK, that almost defies scientific explanation.

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Barefoot Grin  Sep 17, 2016 • 8:39:50pm

re: #201 danarchy

You should have spatchcocked it, no twine necessary and easier to cook evenly…and also I just like saying spatchcock

I was already spatchcock-blocked.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 17, 2016 • 8:40:01pm

What if it was some moron Trump supporter that set it off trying to start shit?

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MsJ  Sep 17, 2016 • 8:40:38pm

re: #224 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

I did that with a leg of lamb once. If you cut off the charred part, it was still pretty tasty.

The charred part is often the tastiest. Unless you’ve turned it into a charcoal briquette (my specialty when I try to grill. Oy, I suck at grilling!) it should be good eating.

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Charles Johnson  Sep 17, 2016 • 8:40:45pm
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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Sep 17, 2016 • 8:41:20pm

re: #236 Charles Johnson

What’s all this, now?

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blueraven  Sep 17, 2016 • 8:41:53pm

re: #231 Trumpia est omnis divisa in duo calathi(Sophist)

Butterflying is your friend.

Oh, that was years ago. My chickens are pretty damn good now. I always brine. Cook high temp first 15 min, then turn down. No stuffing. Maybe a little orange/thyme/garlic in cavity.

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Varek Raith  Sep 17, 2016 • 8:42:06pm

Something something something John McCain.

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calochortus  Sep 17, 2016 • 8:42:15pm

re: #220 retired cynic

My first public meal was a pot roast. Can’t mess that up, right? How about a six by six piece of char?

The first meal I cooked for Mr. C when we were dating was pork chops (they were fine, but the pain from the splashed fat on my hand was not insignificant…) salad (also fine, mercifully pain free,) and a “never fail” pineapple souffle. Which, ummm, failed. You baked it sitting in a pan of water, which at an elevation of 5600’ (Golden, CO) didn’t get as hot as it would at sea level and kept the bottom of the souffle from setting. Pineapple pudding over, well something. I’m much better at cooking a few decades on. And at a current elevation of 500’

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Anymouse  Sep 17, 2016 • 8:42:42pm

re: #233 Barefoot Grin

I was already spatchcock-blocked.

Martha Stewart has a recipe on her Website to make spatchcock chicken:

marthastewart.com

(I had to look up spatchcock: when I typed “define” suggested items popped up: the first one was “deplorable.”)

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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 17, 2016 • 8:44:10pm

re: #241 Anymouse

Basket of Spatchcocks?

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Charles Johnson  Sep 17, 2016 • 8:45:11pm

re: #237 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

What’s all this, now?

I discovered Soledad O’Brien had me blocked for some reason, and asked people to contact her and ask her to unblock me. Within a couple of hours, she did unblock me, and then followed me.

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Great White Snark  Sep 17, 2016 • 8:45:46pm

re: #240 calochortus

I do okay at the grill, or on a flat top or iron skillet. But baking and really perfecting a roux still evades me. Damn you flour!

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Anymouse  Sep 17, 2016 • 8:45:53pm

re: #242 Eclectic Cyborg

Basket of Spatchcocks?

My wife called me to dinner: She spatchcocked a frozen pizza.

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Great White Snark  Sep 17, 2016 • 8:47:31pm

re: #243 Charles Johnson

Dropped Klout like a hot rock btw. They got intrusive. Annoyed my twitter peeps.

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blueraven  Sep 17, 2016 • 8:47:44pm

Boy, CNN just had back to back video of Clinton/Trump NYC response. Amazing.

Clinton was calm and steady. Trump said it was a BOMB!

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Anymouse  Sep 17, 2016 • 8:48:05pm

re: #236 Charles Johnson

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Just curious as to why Charles C. Johnson the Lesser hasn’t ever blocked you. Is he a masochist?

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Barefoot Grin  Sep 17, 2016 • 8:48:14pm

I cooked steaks on the stovetop tonight. We can’t grill where we live. I’m getting it down to a science.

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Trumpia est omnis divisa in duo calathi(Sophist)  Sep 17, 2016 • 8:48:44pm

re: #243 Charles Johnson

I discovered Soledad O’Brien had me blocked for some reason, and asked people to contact her and ask her to unblock me. Within a couple of hours, she did unblock me, and then followed me.

She just did that to prove how irrelevant you are…

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calochortus  Sep 17, 2016 • 8:48:59pm

re: #244 Great White Snark

I do okay at the grill, or on a flat top or iron skillet. But baking and really perfecting a roux still evades me. Damn you flour!

I don’t grill. Fortunately Mr. C. does that. I think my roux is OK, and I do bake. I’m getting pretty good at the gluten free baking too, though bread products are difficult. Very difficult. Because, you know, gluten serves a purpose and wheat flour has a distinctive taste.

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Charles Johnson  Sep 17, 2016 • 8:49:31pm
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calochortus  Sep 17, 2016 • 8:49:46pm

re: #251 calochortus

I don’t grill. Fortunately Mr. C. does that. I think my roux is OK, and I do bake. I’m getting pretty good at the gluten free baking too, though bread products are difficult. Very difficult. Because, you know, gluten serves a purpose and wheat flour has a distinctive taste.

Oh, and pasta. Gluten free pasta is really hard to do.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 17, 2016 • 8:50:05pm

Trump often reminds me of Beaker from the Muppet Show

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Feline Fearless Leader  Sep 17, 2016 • 8:50:12pm

re: #177 Belafon

We throw ours in a dutch oven, and drain it every so often while it’s cooking.

Edit: Not dutch oven. Gotta find what we use.

Edit2: Just a large roaster with a lid.

No, I don’t hear any scratching noises. And I have not seen that new annoying kitten either.
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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Sep 17, 2016 • 8:51:29pm

Chicken dinner update:

Reply

The oven is original to the house, so easily 50 years old. It used to be 50 degrees off what the dial said. We’ve improved, thanks to some assistance from my dad in tweaking the dial.

And of course it’s a non-standard size (for modern ovens) and in-wall so replacing it involves redoing the cabinetry and just yes. This kitchen and I have opinions. That differ. Widely.

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freetoken  Sep 17, 2016 • 8:52:12pm

re: #253 calochortus

Oh, and pasta. Gluten free pasta is really hard to do.

You’ll need some other protein that will stick together. The reason wheat seeds are relatively high in protein is because of the gluten. Have you tried egg noodles?

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Anymouse  Sep 17, 2016 • 8:52:14pm

Monday Goal: Work the word “spatchcock” into my village board meeting.

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FormerDirtDart  Sep 17, 2016 • 8:52:25pm

WHAT???…How dare they!!!

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jaunte  Sep 17, 2016 • 8:54:48pm

re: #256 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Someone’s waving.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Sep 17, 2016 • 8:55:19pm

re: #260 jaunte

Someone’s waving.

Update on the side dish: I managed undercooked, burned potatoes.

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Great White Snark  Sep 17, 2016 • 8:55:53pm

Stanley, did I say something?

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Dave In Austin  Sep 17, 2016 • 8:55:59pm

re: #209 Charles Johnson

Is that Chucky or one of his trolls?

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calochortus  Sep 17, 2016 • 8:56:52pm

re: #257 freetoken

You’ll need some other protein that will stick together. The reason wheat seeds are relatively high in protein is because of the gluten. Have you tried egg noodles?

I could try adding an extra egg, but there are already a couple eggs in the recipe, and xanthan gum, which also serves to hold it together, but you I just can’t get it very thin. Store-bought gf spaghetti is fine, but the lasagna noodles just don’t hold up well unless they’re somewhat undercooked, and then they’re really too chewy for our taste. So far the secret to gf ravioli for me is to make them fairly large so I can make fewer of them.

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teleskiguy  Sep 17, 2016 • 8:57:08pm
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Targetpractice  Sep 17, 2016 • 9:00:27pm

re: #265 teleskiguy

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“COVER UP!!!!”

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Shiplord Kirel  Sep 17, 2016 • 9:00:27pm

The explosion looks like a pipsqueak amateur bomb, the kind delusional losers blow themselves up with from time to time. I’m going for self-radicalized goober, of possibly any
affiliation, or perhaps a new and incomprehensible self-created affiliation.

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calochortus  Sep 17, 2016 • 9:00:48pm

re: #256 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Chicken dinner update:

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The oven is original to the house, so easily 50 years old. It used to be 50 degrees off what the dial said. We’ve improved, thanks to some assistance from my dad in tweaking the dial.

And of course it’s a non-standard size (for modern ovens) and in-wall so replacing it involves redoing the cabinetry and just yes. This kitchen and I have opinions. That differ. Widely.

Yeah, more modern ovens have more insulation so they are bigger. Ask me how I know… We went with the new cabinet for it.

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prairiefire  Sep 17, 2016 • 9:01:30pm

Hope all the lizards are well! Things are a dumpster fire around the world, but I’m just roasting marshmallows. S’mores, anyone?

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Sep 17, 2016 • 9:01:40pm

re: #268 calochortus

Yeah, more modern ovens have more insulation so they are bigger. Ask me how I know… We went with the new cabinet for it.

If I’m doing one of them I’m doing them all.

Irony update: mr. klys doesn’t like chicken on the bone.

Neither do I.

I’m at least tipsy enough that this is funny.

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MsJ  Sep 17, 2016 • 9:02:38pm

So Dyson has a new product: a handheld blow dryer (for your hair).

It costs $400.00.

Ay-yup…ill take three. 🙄

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Anymouse  Sep 17, 2016 • 9:03:30pm

re: #270 klys (maker of Silmarils)

If I’m doing one of them I’m doing them all.

Irony update: mr. klys doesn’t like chicken on the bone.

Neither do I.

I’m at least tipsy enough that this is funny.

You could stick it on his hand then.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 17, 2016 • 9:03:57pm

re: #271 MsJ

I wish I had one of those Dyson airblade things in my bathroom. It might be pricey but I could save a fortune on hand towels.

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FormerDirtDart  Sep 17, 2016 • 9:04:38pm
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calochortus  Sep 17, 2016 • 9:05:01pm

re: #273 Eclectic Cyborg

I wish I had one of those airblade things in my bathroom. It might be pricey but I could save a fortune on hand towels.

Apparently they blow any germs in the neighborhood around quite effectively.

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retired cynic  Sep 17, 2016 • 9:05:12pm

Has anyone heard from Happy Warrior?

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Anymouse  Sep 17, 2016 • 9:05:20pm

re: #273 Eclectic Cyborg

I wish I had one of those Dyson airblade things in my bathroom. It might be pricey but I could save a fortune on hand towels.

Studies have shown that even washing hands well and using a blow dryer of any type spreads germs around a bathroom much more effectively than using a towel or paper towels.

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FormerDirtDart  Sep 17, 2016 • 9:05:27pm
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BeachDem  Sep 17, 2016 • 9:05:57pm

re: #247 blueraven

Boy, CNN just had back to back video of Clinton/Trump NYC response. Amazing.

Clinton was calm and steady. Trump said it was a BOMB!

Has anyone checked to see if Trump has any building projects in the area for which he might need some kind of insurance payoff? Just asking questions…

So, earlier I was browsing away on the laptop and suddenly the screen went black. My first thought, terrorism/cyber attack!

Then I figured lazy fingers hit a wrong key—fiddled around, got screen back. Then, image was really small with black borders on each side—again, I immediately figured terrorism/cyber attack. Then figured settings had gotten screwed up when the screen went black. Re-did settings and all is well.

And a good excuse to drink copious quantities of wine, so there’s that.

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retired cynic  Sep 17, 2016 • 9:06:09pm

re: #278 FormerDirtDart

Welcome to the new Police Commissioner.

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MsJ  Sep 17, 2016 • 9:06:13pm

re: #273 Eclectic Cyborg

I wish I had one of those Dyson airblade things in my bathroom. It might be pricey but I could save a fortune on hand towels.

I love watching my skin look like its going through 5 g’s. Dyson hand dryers rock.

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Ace-o-aces  Sep 17, 2016 • 9:06:31pm
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MsJ  Sep 17, 2016 • 9:06:43pm

re: #275 calochortus

Apparently they blow any germs in the neighborhood around quite effectively.

Eeeewwww!

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Sep 17, 2016 • 9:06:52pm

re: #243 Charles Johnson

I discovered Soledad O’Brien had me blocked for some reason, and asked people to contact her and ask her to unblock me. Within a couple of hours, she did unblock me, and then followed me.

Oh, and wesearchr jumped in with some halfwit comment, I presume.

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makeitstop  Sep 17, 2016 • 9:07:39pm

re: #280 retired cynic

Welcome to the new Police Commissioner.

He did a good job. Very authoritative, handled the media pretty well.

He’ll be all right.

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Snarknado!  Sep 17, 2016 • 9:08:15pm

re: #256 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Chicken dinner update:

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The oven is original to the house, so easily 50 years old. It used to be 50 degrees off what the dial said. We’ve improved, thanks to some assistance from my dad in tweaking the dial.

And of course it’s a non-standard size (for modern ovens) and in-wall so replacing it involves redoing the cabinetry and just yes. This kitchen and I have opinions. That differ. Widely.

My first kitchen after I left home had an oven so old that it had a pilot light and no thermostat. I recommend an oven thermometer. (If it’s a gas stove, you can learn to set the temperature from the height of the flames in no time.)

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makeitstop  Sep 17, 2016 • 9:10:05pm

Klys,

My wife the vegetarian took an interest in your chicken thread. I’m not sure why.

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Teukka  Sep 17, 2016 • 9:10:13pm

Just a thought, but…

How could the righties know these really are bombs unless they knew of them beforehand…

*chuckles maniacally as he ducks for cover*

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Sep 17, 2016 • 9:10:35pm

re: #271 MsJ

So Dyson has a new product: a handheld blow dryer (for your hair).

It costs $400.00.

Ay-yup…ill take three. 🙄

Considering the Dyson hand dryer in public restrooms, the Dyson hair dryer would probably blow off any hair I still have on my head.

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Anymouse  Sep 17, 2016 • 9:11:27pm

re: #279 BeachDem

Has anyone checked to see if Trump has any building projects in the area for which he might need some kind of insurance payoff? Just asking questions…

So, earlier I was browsing away on the laptop and suddenly the screen went black. My first thought, terrorism/cyber attack!

Then I figured lazy fingers hit a wrong key—fiddled around, got screen back. Then, image was really small with black borders on each side—again, I immediately figured terrorism/cyber attack. Then figured settings had gotten screwed up when the screen went black. Re-did settings and all is well.

And a good excuse to drink copious quantities of wine, so there’s that.

When I was on vacation, I was showing my aunt in Michigan the pictures we’d taken in northern Manitoba. Suddenly the displayed pictures twisted ninety degrees. I instantly thought cyberattack. /s

It took me a couple hours to figure out how to fix that, holding my laptop sideways and trying to coordinate my trackpad with the cursor moving ninety degrees out of sync.

Thanks, Microsoft. All your help files are on-line, and I had no access to the Internet there.

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Charles Johnson  Sep 17, 2016 • 9:13:01pm

re: #284 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Oh, and wesearchr jumped in with some halfwit comment, I presume.

That’s either Chuck or Pax Dickinson - he posted this:

I deleted the tweet because after she unblocked me I didn’t want people to keep bothering her about it.

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Anymouse  Sep 17, 2016 • 9:13:16pm

re: #287 makeitstop

Klys,

My wife the vegetarian took an interest in your chicken thread. I’m not sure why.

The part about sewing up a chicken, or this whole conversation.

If the latter, wait until she gets to the part where my wife kills chickens (with her bare hands). Ruthless liberal, my wife. There are good reasons I don’t try to anger her. /s

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Sep 17, 2016 • 9:13:47pm

re: #290 Anymouse

When I was on vacation, I was showing my aunt in Michigan the pictures we’d taken in northern Manitoba. Suddenly the displayed pictures twisted ninety degrees. I instantly thought cyberattack. /s

It took me a couple hours to figure out how to fix that, holding my laptop sideways and trying to coordinate my trackpad with the cursor moving ninety degrees out of sync.

Thanks, Microsoft. All your help files are on-line, and I had no access to the Internet there.

My new cheapie Windows tablet does that occasionally. I think I accidentally activate it with some arcane key press.

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Ace-o-aces  Sep 17, 2016 • 9:14:30pm

re: #291 Charles Johnson

Has WeSearchr ever actually produced an actual “fact” from any of their “bounties”?

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teleskiguy  Sep 17, 2016 • 9:15:21pm

re: #294 Ace-o-aces

Has WeSearchr ever actually produced an actual “fact” from any of their “bounties”?

Nah, just thousands of dollars from gullible marks.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Sep 17, 2016 • 9:16:22pm

re: #291 Charles Johnson

That’s either Chuck or Pax Dickinson - he posted this:

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I deleted the tweet because after she unblocked me I didn’t want people to keep bothering her about it.

Those idiots will forever believe that Soledad has you blocked, no matter what evidence presents itself.

Has Rage Furby reported on his Hungarian “fact finding” adventure yet?

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makeitstop  Sep 17, 2016 • 9:17:32pm

re: #293 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

My new cheapie Windows tablet does that occasionally. I think I accidentally activate it with some arcane key press.

Our cat Trixie has an unerring knack for jumping up onto my keyboard and hitting shortcuts that I don’t know about, and they invariably slow my work roll when she does it.

I love her, but she’s a bad cat who knows more about keyboard shortcuts than I do. Trixie is know here at LGF from this pic:

So, ya think you’re gonna get some work done? Maybe not.
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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Sep 17, 2016 • 9:17:58pm

re: #279 BeachDem

Has anyone checked to see if Trump has any building projects in the area for which he might need some kind of insurance payoff? Just asking questions…

So, earlier I was browsing away on the laptop and suddenly the screen went black. My first thought, terrorism/cyber attack!

Then I figured lazy fingers hit a wrong key—fiddled around, got screen back. Then, image was really small with black borders on each side—again, I immediately figured terrorism/cyber attack. Then figured settings had gotten screwed up when the screen went black. Re-did settings and all is well.

And a good excuse to drink copious quantities of wine, so there’s that.

I’ve got the right bottom hot corner set to blank the display. Every once in a while I’ll be going to empty the trash or something and do it by mistake: “OMG, did the backlight burn out?” You’d think I’d have learned by now…..

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Dave In Austin  Sep 17, 2016 • 9:18:33pm
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Charles Johnson  Sep 17, 2016 • 9:19:11pm

re: #296 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Those idiots will forever believe that Soledad has you blocked, no matter what evidence presents itself.

Has Rage Furby reported on his Hungarian “fact finding” adventure yet?

No, he just dropped it because it was a complete embarrassing failure. He went to Hungary for no reason, and ended up at a Gawker office that was closed earlier this year.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Sep 17, 2016 • 9:19:20pm

From the BBC:

How Trump ‘Rick-rolled’ the media
bbc.com

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rhuarc  Sep 17, 2016 • 9:20:02pm

I’m going to go with disgruntled construction employee pissed off at his bosses. Or maybe a guy who wanted some days off work like the guy who burnt the naval submarine a few years ago.

usatoday.com

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prairiefire  Sep 17, 2016 • 9:20:34pm

re: #297 makeitstop

Has she been in some brawls?

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Sep 17, 2016 • 9:21:14pm

re: #300 Charles Johnson

No, he just dropped it because it was a complete embarrassing failure. He went to Hungary for no reason, and ended up at a Gawker office that was closed earlier this year.

But he kept the donation money, I am quite sure. Or spent it all for a nice little vacay.

Chuck is such a loser.

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Anymouse  Sep 17, 2016 • 9:21:22pm

re: #293 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

My new cheapie Windows tablet does that occasionally. I think I accidentally activate it with some arcane key press.

That would be CTRL+ALT+(an arrow key). I didn’t know that at the time, and didn’t know how to fix it, and was about ten miles from an Internet connexion.

It can also be rotated (or fixed) from the settings panel:
ilovefreesoftware.com

It took me a couple hours to find it in the settings panel with my cursor ninety degrees out of sync with my display, because it is buried in an arcane sub-menu.

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makeitstop  Sep 17, 2016 • 9:23:33pm

re: #303 prairiefire

Has she been in some brawls?

Not since we’ve had her, outside of slugging the dog every so often.

She was a feral kitten that my wife puled out from under my truck at a gig one night. She may have had something happen to her before we took her home.

And despite her look, she is one of the sweetest cats I’ve ever had.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 17, 2016 • 9:24:16pm

re: #305 Anymouse

It took me a couple hours to find it in the settings panel with my cursor ninety degrees out of sync with my display, because it is buried in an arcane sub-menu.

Typical Microsoft effiiciency. You should have seen what I had to go through to enable safe mode on a Windows 8 machine.

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Charles Johnson  Sep 17, 2016 • 9:24:25pm

Chuck’s fans.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Sep 17, 2016 • 9:24:54pm

re: #305 Anymouse

That would be CTRL+ALT+(an arrow key). I didn’t know that at the time, and didn’t know how to fix it, and was about ten miles from an Internet connexion.

It can also be rotated (or fixed) from the settings panel:
ilovefreesoftware.com

It took me a couple hours to find it in the settings panel with my cursor ninety degrees out of sync with my display, because it is buried in an arcane sub-menu.

Microsoft’s “control” panel has been re-organized so many times that I get lost, even as a Windows geek. If I get frustrated, I select the “classic” menu, which eliminates most of the sub-menu nonsense.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Sep 17, 2016 • 9:26:46pm

re: #308 Charles Johnson

Such cleverness. Part of the CCJ braintrust, no doubt.

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prairiefire  Sep 17, 2016 • 9:29:12pm

re: #306 makeitstop

I’m glad she’s sweet, she looks like she can punch above her weight.

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Targetpractice  Sep 17, 2016 • 9:30:34pm

re: #247 blueraven

Boy, CNN just had back to back video of Clinton/Trump NYC response. Amazing.

Clinton was calm and steady. Trump said it was a BOMB!

Which means the media will spin him as “taking it seriously,” with her as “being in denial” about the “real threat of radical Islam!”

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makeitstop  Sep 17, 2016 • 9:30:43pm

The idiot on MSNBC just coined the term ‘pressure cooker of interest.’

They must get to the point where they don’t even hear what they’re saying when they’re riffing.

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Anymouse  Sep 17, 2016 • 9:31:31pm

re: #307 Eclectic Cyborg

Typical Microsoft effiiciency. You should have seen what I had to go through to enable safe mode on a Windows 8 machine.

I just got an update for Windows 10, which disabled sending E-mail from Outlook.

It took me three days of searching on-line to find a solution to that (on Microsoft’s help site there were a whole lot of people bitching about the same thing, but no answer from the ever helpful Tech Support folk there).

It turned out that I had to re-create my log-in credentials in Outlook for my wife’s E-mail server. Now my Outlook local storage folders are fouled up, which I can fix with a lot of tedious work.

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calochortus  Sep 17, 2016 • 9:32:52pm

Good night Lizards. Hasta mañana.

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BeachDem  Sep 17, 2016 • 9:33:07pm

re: #309 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Microsoft’s “control” panel has been re-organized so many times that I get lost, even as a Windows geek. If I get frustrated, I select the “classic” menu, which eliminates most of the sub-menu nonsense.

I have a new desktop tower still sitting in the box in my office as I try to find someone to install it and transfer all my files correctly. Yeah, I could probably do it myself, but I don’t want to take the chance of fucking it up.

My current desktop must have massive dust in the tower—it runs quietly for about ten minutes, then the fan starts to roar like a jet engine. So I’ve spend much more time on my laptop—which is a piece of work—it has Windows 10, but when 8.1 was acting up, the repair guy’s solution was to disable the touch screen capabilities, so it’s sort of a hybrid of multiple crappy things.

Sometimes the world just goes a little too fast for me.

Now I hear I need to get up early and fill my tank, because there was some kind of gas pipeline leak in Alabama and gas prices are supposed to skyrocket and there are going to be gas shortages on the east coast.

Gah—one more glass of wine, then I’m going to bed.

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makeitstop  Sep 17, 2016 • 9:34:10pm

NYPD has released video, from a couple of merchant cameras.

I guarantee that the guy shielding himself with a window screen will be a new internet star..

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BeachDem  Sep 17, 2016 • 9:35:23pm

re: #314 Anymouse

I just got an update for Windows 10, which disabled sending E-mail from Outlook.

It took me three days of searching on-line to find a solution to that (on Microsoft’s help site there were a whole lot of people bitching about the same thing, but no answer from the ever helpful Tech Support folk there).

It turned out that I had to re-create my log-in credentials in Outlook for my wife’s E-mail server. Now my Outlook local storage folders are fouled up, which I can fix with a lot of tedious work.

Now I’m really embarrassed—I still have Windows Mail (not live mail, just old ass Mail—when I get my new desktop set up, I guess I need a new mail server.

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blueraven  Sep 17, 2016 • 9:43:33pm

Not good

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Sep 17, 2016 • 9:44:43pm

re: #287 makeitstop

Klys,

My wife the vegetarian took an interest in your chicken thread. I’m not sure why.

The chicken breast actually didn’t turn out half bad.

The rest is in a container in the fridge to be dealt with when I am more sober.

The potatoes all got eaten despite their undercooked burned status.

Needless to say this is not going down as one of my culinary successes.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Sep 17, 2016 • 9:46:13pm

re: #319 blueraven

Things I know for sure:

a) whoever did this was pretty fucking incompetent.
b) NYC dwellers are going to shake this off a lot more quickly than the average GOP voter.
c) still not scared, except in terms of what the terrified idiots referred to in b) are going to do.

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blueraven  Sep 17, 2016 • 9:46:30pm
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BeachDem  Sep 17, 2016 • 9:49:21pm

re: #322 blueraven

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Trump tonight on how he’ll fight terror/ISIS: “I will give you good results. Don’t worry how I get there, okay? Please.”

OK—of all the sickening crap he’s said, that might be the scariest yet.

All I can say is canvass, phonebank, register voters, donate, vote—do whatever you can to make sure Hillary wins this thing!

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Belafon  Sep 17, 2016 • 9:51:48pm

re: #319 blueraven

Not good

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Hope it’s not an iPhone, no one will want the feds in it.

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Dave In Austin  Sep 17, 2016 • 9:56:56pm

Pressure Cooker of interest…….

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Sep 17, 2016 • 9:57:47pm

The BBC has disappointed me with this lede:

Photographers and astronomers around the world have been taking pictures of the Harvest moon, a moon that is bigger and brighter than usual due to its close proximity to earth.

bbc.com

NO! The harvest moon is a full moon that appears close to the Autumnal Equinox (in the northern hemisphere), Sept. 22. This happens quite frequently. It has nothing to do with how close the Moon is to Earth, but the timing of the full moon relative to the equinox date.

And the Moon’s orbit is almost circular — the difference between closest approach and farthest distance is only 43,000 or so, compared to an average radius of 384,400 km. So it’s not noticeably bigger or brighter to the naked eye at any point in its orbit.

And let’s not even talk about the “Supermoon” BS that pops up regularly on media.

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Anymouse  Sep 17, 2016 • 9:59:24pm

re: #318 BeachDem

Now I’m really embarrassed—I still have Windows Mail (not live mail, just old ass Mail—when I get my new desktop set up, I guess I need a new mail server.

I never used Windows Mail.

My earliest day on the Internet were with Quantum Link (the Commodore community service that is now America On-Line).

Then for a while I used various services via Telnet.

When I got my XP computer, it came with Outlook Express and I used that. It worked well enough, though when I got my editing job, I was required to get Microsoft Office Professional, which comes with the professional version of Outlook. I have used it ever since.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Sep 17, 2016 • 9:59:29pm

re: #325 Dave In Austin

If that is real, there needs to be a discussion among the police about priorities during an investigation…

But I’m kind of skeptical.

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Belafon  Sep 17, 2016 • 9:59:56pm

re: #325 Dave In Austin

Pressure Cooker of interest…….

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“Ma’am, can you identify the pressure cooker that attacked you? Take your time.”
“Could you have cooker number three turn around for me?”

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Anymouse  Sep 17, 2016 • 10:05:22pm

re: #326 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

The BBC has disappointed me with this lede:

NO! The harvest moon is a full moon that appears close to the Autumnal Equinox (in the northern hemisphere), Sept. 22. This happens quite frequently. It has nothing to do with how close the Moon is to Earth, but the timing of the full moon relative to the equinox date.

And the Moon’s orbit is almost circular — the difference between closest approach and farthest distance is only 43,000 or so, compared to an average radius of 384,400 km. So it’s not noticeably bigger or brighter to the naked eye at any point in its orbit.

And let’s not even talk about the “Supermoon” BS that pops up regularly on media.

Well, the moon is going to get so big here in August of next year it will blot out the sun (for a few minutes anyway).

As for the non-technical term supermoon, Wikipedia explains why it is mostly not a thing, though there is a significant visible difference.

A full moon at perigee is visually larger up to 14% in diameter (or about 30% in area) and shines 30% more light than one at its farthest point, or apogee.

en.wikipedia.org

The last so-called supermoon we had here, it was actually quite interesting. My wife and I went up to the village cemetery outside town on Rose Hill to watch the lunar eclipse/supermoon in the middle of the night. (Strictly, the cemetery is closed at sunset, but no one thinks of my wife or me as vandals, just strange.)

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Sep 17, 2016 • 10:07:01pm

re: #327 Anymouse

I never used Windows Mail.

My earliest day on the Internet were with Quantum Link (the Commodore community service that is now America On-Line).

Then for a while I used various services via Telnet.

When I got my XP computer, it came with Outlook Express and I used that. It worked well enough, though when I got my editing job, I was required to get Microsoft Office Professional, which comes with the professional version of Outlook. I have used it ever since.

One of the recent episodes of Mr Robot had a character using a Commodore 64 with the 5.25” floppy drive to conduct an interrogation. I presume the Commodore was used so as to avoid hacking from the Internet.

That was a really weird episode.

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Anymouse  Sep 17, 2016 • 10:11:14pm

re: #328 klys (maker of Silmarils)

If that is real, there needs to be a discussion among the police about priorities during an investigation…

But I’m kind of skeptical.

I’m going with “that looks like a pressure cooker” (albeit with no indication when or where the photo was taken).

Moreover, if anyone thought for a second that was a bomb, they would not be standing directly over it to take a photograph.

While it could be a bomb (there are all sorts of dumb people), at the moment I am leaning toward “unsourced undated photograph.”

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Sep 17, 2016 • 10:14:09pm

re: #330 Anymouse

Well, the moon is going to get so big here in August of next year it will blot out the sun (for a few minutes anyway).

As for the non-technical term supermoon, Wikipedia explains why it is mostly not a thing, though there is a significant visible difference.

en.wikipedia.org

The last so-called supermoon we had here, it was actually quite interesting. My wife and I went up to the village cemetery outside town on Rose Hill to watch the lunar eclipse/supermoon in the middle of the night. (Strictly, the cemetery is closed at sunset, but no one thinks of my wife or me as vandals, just strange.)

I suspect most observers would not even notice a difference, if no one pointed it out. The media suggestion that a supermoon is a “wow rare!” event irks me, because the Moon has its closest approach once every month, and sometimes that happens during a full moon. The enlarged photos of the Moon behind buildings add to the misconception, because telephoto shots compress the apparent distance between foreground and background, so people expect to see this huge moon in the sky.

If the size of the Moon got noticeably larger, more than 14%, that would indicate a big problem. As it is, the Moon is receding from the Earth very gradually, so collisions are unlikely.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Sep 17, 2016 • 10:15:56pm

re: #174 klys (maker of Silmarils)

I’m trying!

And quite possibly failing miserably, but the thought counts, right?

You just need the right tools. And I swear by this thing. ;)

Signature Chicken on your Pit Barrel Cooker

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Anymouse  Sep 17, 2016 • 10:17:15pm
New York City Alerts @NYCityAlerts

Reporter team in NYC tweeting news and photos as it happens. We’re not official. Email NYCityAlerts@gmail.com - Instagram/nycityalerts
New York City
nybuff.net
Joined February 2012

Note the “we’re not official” part of this.

Also, their Website has not been updated since August 23, so who knows? The Website states “emergency scene observers and photographers” which screams “amateur hour” at me (and thus easily hoaxed with a picture of a pressure cooker and a garbage bag with no other items in the photo for context).

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Great White Snark  Sep 17, 2016 • 10:18:46pm
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Anymouse  Sep 17, 2016 • 10:22:00pm

re: #333 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Yup. We went up to the cemetery for the lunar eclipse aspect, not the supermoon aspect. Nice and dark at the cemetery, whereas here in my little house in the centre of the village there are several streetlamps around.

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Varek Raith  Sep 17, 2016 • 10:23:11pm

re: #336 Great White Snark

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Sep 17, 2016 • 10:25:00pm

re: #336 Great White Snark

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Anymouse  Sep 17, 2016 • 10:26:31pm

Note the amateur hour guys at New York City Alerts tweeted right at FOX News.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Sep 17, 2016 • 10:29:34pm

Can’t really say I disagree.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 17, 2016 • 10:32:37pm

re: #174 klys (maker of Silmarils)

I’m trying!

And quite possibly failing miserably, but the thought counts, right?

I used to roast chickens. Now I buy them at Costco, because it’s on the way home and the cost $5. I can’t buy a raw roasting chicken for that!

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Varek Raith  Sep 17, 2016 • 10:33:45pm

re: #342 Blind Frog Belly White

I used to roast chickens. Now I buy them at Costco, because it’s on the way home and the cost $5. I can’t buy a raw roasting chicken for that!

That’s what I had for dinner.
Lemon roasted.
Yum.

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retired cynic  Sep 17, 2016 • 10:34:40pm

re: #341 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Can’t really say I disagree.

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I’d sure agree with enable. Support? I don’t know enough to be sure of that. Enable would be enough for me.

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN  Sep 17, 2016 • 10:46:21pm

re: #55 teleskiguy

Perhaps he was “pantsed”

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Sep 17, 2016 • 10:49:25pm
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teleskiguy  Sep 17, 2016 • 10:49:58pm

re: #345 SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN

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Dave In Austin  Sep 17, 2016 • 10:51:18pm

LOLOL!!

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Dave In Austin  Sep 17, 2016 • 10:54:34pm

MSNBC just confirmed that the photo I posted of the pressure cooker is in fact the one in question.

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Anymouse  Sep 17, 2016 • 10:56:29pm

re: #349 Dave In Austin

MSNBC just confirmed that the photo I posted of the pressure cooker is in fact the one in question.

Did they name who the dummy was that would stand so close to a suspected bomb to photograph it?

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Anymouse  Sep 17, 2016 • 10:58:30pm

Dr. Jane Goodall: Trump’s behaviour similar to male chimps.

huffingtonpost.com;

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Trumpia est omnis divisa in duo calathi(Sophist)  Sep 17, 2016 • 11:09:19pm

re: #350 Anymouse

Did they name who the dummy was that would stand so close to a suspected bomb to photograph it?

Could be a robot.

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Anymouse  Sep 17, 2016 • 11:11:16pm

re: #352 Trumpia est omnis divisa in duo calathi(Sophist)

Could be a robot.

No timestamp, no source for the photo, no other items around to compare where the photo was taken, photo first appeared on amateur newshound photo site … not convinced, police didn’t mention it.

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Single-handed sailor  Sep 17, 2016 • 11:15:53pm

From New York Times

A senior police official confirmed that photographs of the device shared on social media, which showed a silver piece of cookware with wires and a cellphone attached, were authentic. The official said the Police Department’s bomb squad was taking the device to a department facility, where robots would inspect it.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Sep 17, 2016 • 11:20:10pm

re: #354 Single-handed sailor

So now my questions are what purpose did this release serve and why did it happen?

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Sep 17, 2016 • 11:23:09pm

re: #354 Single-handed sailor

Trump announces plan to deport all pressure cookers. “Within an hour of my being in the White House, they’re gone! It’ll make your head spin!”

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Anymouse  Sep 17, 2016 • 11:24:38pm

re: #354 Single-handed sailor

From New York Times

Well, I’ll ratchet up the credibility rating then.

re: #355 klys (maker of Silmarils)

So now my questions are what purpose did this release serve and why did it happen?

Gotta stay in the news. 25/8 news cycle probably would not let the police do their damn jobs unless they gave them something.

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Anymouse  Sep 17, 2016 • 11:32:37pm

Note that New York Times article quoted what Mr. Trump said about the blast in Colorado Springs, and said nothing about what Mrs. Clinton said.

What she actually said can be found at the BBC (the place to get unbiased news about the American elections):

Democratic presidential nominee Hillary Clinton told reporters she had been in touch with New York officials.

“Obviously we need to do everything we can to support our first responders and pray for the victims,” she said.

“I’ll have more to say about it when we actually know the facts,” she added.

bbc.com

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Targetpractice  Sep 17, 2016 • 11:34:16pm

re: #358 Anymouse

Note that New York Times article quoted what Mr. Trump said about the blast in Colorado Springs, and said nothing about what Mrs. Clinton said.

What she actually said can be found at the BBC (the place to get unbiased news about the American elections):

bbc.com

Waiting for the facts? And not immediately jumping to conclusions?! Doesn’t she know that going off half-cocked is the only proper response to terrorism?!?

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Anymouse  Sep 17, 2016 • 11:42:28pm

After cycling accident in the Paralympic Competitions in Rio, an Iranian cyclist died from a heart attack on the way to the hospital. Tributes from cycling’s official body, the Olympic and Paralympic Committees, and numerous nations (including ours) are pouring in.
bbc.com

The article notes the last time a competitor died during competition was in the 1960 Rome Olympics.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Sep 18, 2016 • 12:00:42am

re: #325 Dave In Austin

Ok, considering how primitive and basic that looks, I have a basic summary of who it be from, courtesy of The Thick of It, with Malcolm Tucker being played by Peter Capaldi.

Malcolm Tucker gets a birthday cake!

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Anymouse  Sep 18, 2016 • 12:05:59am

addictinginfo.org

(Link to Missouri Democratic Senate candidate’s advert against Senator Roy Blunt is in the article)

Many Republican adverts seem to include firearms (shooting the ACA, cooking bacon on a rifle barrel, &c).

Senator Blunt has been attacking state attorney general Jason Kander with the usual fear arguments that “Liberals are out to take your guns.”

Kander is an Afghan War veteran, so he put up an unusual advert for a Democrat; he stands in front of a disassembled rifle blindfolded in the advert. He proceeds to assemble the rifle during his spiel:

“I’m Jason Kander and Senator Blunt has been attacking me on guns. Well, in the army I learned how to use and respect my rifle. In Afghanistan, I volunteered to be a gun in an unarmored convoy of SUV’s. In the state legislature, I supported 2nd amendment rights. I also believe in background checks so that terrorists can’t get their hands on one of these.”

When Kander finishes assembling the rifle, he removes his blindfold and says, “I approve this message because I’d like to see Senator Blunt do this.”

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William Lewis  Sep 18, 2016 • 12:20:28am

re: #362 Anymouse

His next ad should say “Democrats aren’t going to take your guns, we have our own. “

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teleskiguy  Sep 18, 2016 • 12:20:42am
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teleskiguy  Sep 18, 2016 • 12:29:59am

Trump cannot be president. He hates women. I come from of family of sisters, I am the only male among four siblings. I can see misogyny from a mile away.

The Donald™ is pretty fuckin’ scary right now. I think women all across the country will (goddamn motherfuck, am I really saying this?!?) take Ted Cruz’s advice and vote their “conscience.”

This election is too fucking weird.

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Dave In Austin  Sep 18, 2016 • 12:34:15am
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Anymouse  Sep 18, 2016 • 12:34:27am

re: #365 teleskiguy

Trump cannot be president. He hates women. I come from of family of sisters, I am the only male among four siblings. I can see misogyny from a mile away.

The Donald™ is pretty fuckin’ scary right now. I think women all across the country will (goddamn motherfuck, am I really saying this?!?) take Ted Cruz’s advice and vote their “conscience.”

This election is too fucking weird.

So can I. What the hell was that “if there isn’t a better option you can stay?”

My son and I are the only living males in my family: I would go ballistic if one of the women in my family who are employed were given a choice like that.

Pretty much all my childhood life I could see the struggle women were enduring to fight to be treated equally in the workplace and under the law. It still happens today, though some of the more overt problems are being corrected. It’s men like Mr. “bleeding from her whatever” Trump that give the rest of us a bad name.

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Romantic Heretic  Sep 18, 2016 • 1:45:57am

re: #255 Feline Fearless Leader

Which, of course, makes me think of this.

Dear Kitten

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Romantic Heretic  Sep 18, 2016 • 1:54:20am

re: #297 makeitstop

Breaking Cat News!

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William Lewis  Sep 18, 2016 • 2:07:18am

re: #369 Romantic Heretic

Bookmarked :)

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Romantic Heretic  Sep 18, 2016 • 2:09:38am

Scott Lively to be tried for crimes against humanity.

Because of his helping craft the ‘Kill The Gays’ bill in Uganda. Laws that kill people for being who they are is frowned upon.

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Romantic Heretic  Sep 18, 2016 • 2:11:03am

re: #370 William Lewis

It’s a fun little strip.

It’s on a temporary hiatus as the artist and her family move from one end of the country to the other. But there’s enough old ones to hold us over.

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Anymouse  Sep 18, 2016 • 2:13:59am

re: #368 Romantic Heretic

There is this:

Cat fail compilation: (7:05)

Funny Cat Fails Compilation || by FailArmy 2016

For people using cell phones, there ought to be a fine for portrait mode. Landscape, people! I don’t even own a cell phone and I know that! (Perhaps I should put a Webcam in my dial telephone.)

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Le Lapin Tueur  Sep 18, 2016 • 3:45:21am

re: #204 klys (maker of Silmarils)

I will conquer this damn bird.

It doesn’t sound like you’re going to admit defeat (good) just think about the fact that Julia Child cooked an entire henhouse (metaphor for a lot) of chickens in an attempt to understand the roasting of chickens.

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William Lewis  Sep 18, 2016 • 3:47:57am

Chicken is such an easy thing to cook. People make it much more difficult than it needs to be. A decent oven, a little patience and good food is there.

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Dave In Austin  Sep 18, 2016 • 3:58:43am
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Nyet  Sep 18, 2016 • 4:08:11am

re: #16 Charles Johnson

An IED in a dumpster doesn’t sound like an ISIS attack.

Could be a wannabe IS-lamist. Then again, could be a neo-Nazi or some Trump or Cruz supporter who hates the “New York values”.

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Nyet  Sep 18, 2016 • 4:08:45am

re: #376 Dave In Austin

OK, this Pepe I like.

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Nyet  Sep 18, 2016 • 4:12:24am

re: #336 Great White Snark

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Is the report factual? Yep, it is. That makes CNN not credible how?

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BigPapa  Sep 18, 2016 • 4:21:07am

This kid cracks me up

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Decatur Deb  Sep 18, 2016 • 4:21:35am

re: #377 Nyet

Could be a wannabe IS-lamist. Then again, could be a neo-Nazi or some Trump or Cruz supporter who hates the “New York values”.

23rd Street. Performance art.

en.wikipedia.org

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Decatur Deb  Sep 18, 2016 • 4:42:13am

We’re Number One!!!

Alabamians receive more prescription opioids per person than residents of any other state in the country, according to the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, yet little effort has been made to restrict powerful painkillers that often lead to addiction and overdose death.

al.com

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Nyet  Sep 18, 2016 • 4:50:43am

re: #382 Decatur Deb

“He’s such a loser he couldn’t even win the loser competition.”
Sorry. :)

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Decatur Deb  Sep 18, 2016 • 4:52:56am

re: #383 Nyet

“He’s such a loser he couldn’t even win the loser competition.”
Sorry. :)

Couldn’t find that quote.

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BigPapa  Sep 18, 2016 • 5:00:32am

re: #384 Decatur Deb

It’s a Real Fake quote.

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Timothy Watson  Sep 18, 2016 • 5:06:06am

LGF look any different for anyone else after updating Chrome?

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dangerman  Sep 18, 2016 • 5:15:55am

on paul ryan’s tax plan - which is, you know, the house republican’s plan:

The nonpartisan Tax Policy Center (TPC) has conducted an analysis of Ryan’s tax plan, and they don’t much like what they see. …They project that by the time all of the Speaker’s tax cuts are implemented in 2025, a rather sizable portion of the benefits would be going to the wealthiest 1% of Americans. As in, 99.6%. Those households would see an average increase in their income of 10.6%, and would enjoy an average annual tax savings of $240,000. Working-class households, by contrast, would see an average increase in their income of 0.5%, and would enjoy an average annual tax savings of $120. Middle- and upper middle-class households would pay more in taxes, and would see their incomes decrease. Meanwhile, the loss of revenue to the government would likely require trillions of dollars in extra borrowing.

//deficits dont matter

electoral-vote.com

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dangerman  Sep 18, 2016 • 5:19:02am

mark cuban’s offers to pay trump (or a charity) $10m for a four hour interview on trumps own policies

for the arithemetically lazy, he could boast he made $2.5m dollars per hour

and he’ll never do it

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jeffreyw  Sep 18, 2016 • 5:31:47am

Good morning!

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b.d.  Sep 18, 2016 • 6:18:59am

Good morning Lizards.

Has Alex Jones started screaming FALSE FLAG yet or does that only apply to events that don’t benefit his cause?

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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 18, 2016 • 6:28:53am

Good morning! Today is Honey Challah Day (where I bake for the upcoming holidays)

Have they determined who was responsible for last night’s dumpster fire?

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b.d.  Sep 18, 2016 • 6:33:57am

re: #388 dangerman

mark cuban’s offers to pay trump (or a charity) $10m for a four hour interview on trumps own policies

for the arithemetically lazy, he could boast he made $2.5m dollars per hour

and he’ll never do it

I don’t know? $10 million for being locked in a room with Mark Cuban for 4 hours? I’m not so sure I would go for it.

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Botsplainer  Sep 18, 2016 • 6:41:30am

So I took a trek into FReepertown. It was interesting - the stories of Trump’s financial chicanery are examples of how he is a smart and savvy businessman who plays the angles and is to be admired for it as being truly emblematic of the greatness of ‘Murka.

Those threads were interspersed with hysterical bomb talk which seemed to be centered around “them Muslims are gonna blow up the Dothan AL American Legion hall, the Pacagoula MS Civic Center and Robert E Lee Elementary School in Pine Bluff AR”, as well as fears that Sharia law is gonna shut down the First Free Will Apostolic Baptist Church of East Hogjaw TN.

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Jenner7  Sep 18, 2016 • 6:46:46am
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And Jake Tapper let’s him off the hook.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Sep 18, 2016 • 6:52:59am

re: #393 Botsplainer

I can just imagine ISIS strategists planning to hit America in its most vulnerable spots: Alabama, Mississippi, Arkansas and Tennessee. Take out those four, and other 46 will fall like dominoes.
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dangerman  Sep 18, 2016 • 7:00:38am

re: #392 b.d.

I don’t know? $10 million for being locked in a room with Mark Cuban for 4 hours? I’m not so sure I would go for it.

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he didnt specify locked room so trump could suggest a cage match - hes got familiarity with that

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Botsplainer  Sep 18, 2016 • 7:12:51am

re: #395 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

I can just imagine ISIS strategists planning to hit America in its most vulnerable spots: Alabama, Mississippi, Arkansas and Tennessee. Take out those four, and other 46 will fall like dominoes.
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Those trembling, whining cowards think the sun, moon and stars revolve around them. They’re the most craven demanders of political correctness in existence, in that their faith structure, theology, social order and culture are to always be sacrosanct and beyond the reach of any criticism.

Personally, I’ve long been of the opinion that the terrorists fuck up when they focus on DC and NYC. If they really want this country to lose its shit and break into some form of a civil war, to go after softer targets like a mall in Plano at Christmas, a megachurch in Charlotte, a football game in Jacksonville, a tent revival in SC.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Sep 18, 2016 • 7:15:29am

re: #397 Botsplainer

Those trembling, whining cowards think the sun, moon and stars revolve around them. They’re the most craven demanders of political correctness in existence, in that their faith structure, theology, social order and culture are to always be sacrosanct and beyond the reach of any criticism.

Personally, I’ve long been of the opinion that the terrorists fuck up when they focus on DC and NYC. If they really want this country to lose its shit and break into some form of a civil war, to go after softer targets like a mall in Plano at Christmas, a megachurch in Charlotte, a football game in Jacksonville, a tent revival in SC.

Don’t give anyone ideas, not that I believe ISIS agents read LGF. It’s the RWNJs that I’d worry about.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Sep 18, 2016 • 7:29:13am

After watching the full Penn Jillette/Nick Gillespie video on the Trump, Clinton and the election, I can only conclude that the only way to successfully attack Trump is to call him out as what he truly is: a carney hack phony.

Nothing about Trump is real. And that’s why he so desperately needs to become President-to validate that he’s real. And that should scare the living shit out of everybody.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 18, 2016 • 7:34:48am

I have not read up on details, but no need to: this attack was perpetrated by illegal foreigners who came here at the behest of Obama and Hillary to weaken out nation and make it safe for Jihadi secularism.

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Big Beautiful Door  Sep 18, 2016 • 7:39:02am

re: #387 dangerman

on paul ryan’s tax plan - which is, you know, the house republican’s plan:

The nonpartisan Tax Policy Center (TPC) has conducted an analysis of Ryan’s tax plan, and they don’t much like what they see. …They project that by the time all of the Speaker’s tax cuts are implemented in 2025, a rather sizable portion of the benefits would be going to the wealthiest 1% of Americans. As in, 99.6%. Those households would see an average increase in their income of 10.6%, and would enjoy an average annual tax savings of $240,000. Working-class households, by contrast, would see an average increase in their income of 0.5%, and would enjoy an average annual tax savings of $120. Middle- and upper middle-class households would pay more in taxes, and would see their incomes decrease. Meanwhile, the loss of revenue to the government would likely require trillions of dollars in extra borrowing.

//deficits dont matter

electoral-vote.com

One of the disasters which will hit the economy if Trump is elected President.

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Dr. Matt  Sep 18, 2016 • 7:39:18am

Has Trump blamed the explosion on Clinton yet?

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Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Sep 18, 2016 • 7:39:59am

re: #402 Dr. Matt

Has Trump blamed the explosion on Clinton yet?

I don’t know but he seemed to know it was an actual bomb before anyone else did.

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Tigger2  Sep 18, 2016 • 7:43:10am

Very Scary

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 18, 2016 • 7:44:53am

re: #404 Tigger2

Mike Pence Says His Role Model for Vice President is Dick Cheney

Except that Dick Cheney did not concern himself much with abortions or bathrooms or gay sex…Mike Pence will do to human rights what DC did to Iraq

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Tigger2  Sep 18, 2016 • 7:46:25am

re: #405 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Except that Dick Cheney did not concern himself much with abortions or bathrooms or gay sex…Mike Pence will do to human rights what DC did to Iraq

Cheney on steroids.

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BlueSpotinAL  Sep 18, 2016 • 7:58:38am

re: #244 Great White Snark

I do okay at the grill, or on a flat top or iron skillet. But baking and really perfecting a roux still evades me. Damn you flour!

GWS, you can bake oil and flour in an oven, no stir for a roux! Cheating, I know.

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dangerman  Sep 18, 2016 • 7:58:49am

pence doesnt want to be called “vice” president because the word “vice” has more than one meaning

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jaunte  Sep 18, 2016 • 8:07:48am

@MarthaRaddatz interview:

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It’s opposite day again in Trumpville.

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MsJ  Sep 18, 2016 • 8:07:58am

re: #408 dangerman

pence doesnt want to be called “vice” president because the word “vice” has more than one meaning

Pence won’t be vice anything for long. Trump, if we are stupid enough to elect him, won’t be POTUS very long. He’ll go the Nixon route in a very short period of time. He’s a crook. Plain and simple.

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Belafon  Sep 18, 2016 • 8:09:25am

re: #394 Jenner7

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And Jake Tapper let’s him off the hook.

Tapper should have challenged him, but I do have to ponder: I don’t think the press would be where it is today if people were more skeptical of the news they received. I understand we like to hear news that confirms our view of the world, but one of my views of the world is that it doesn’t work the way I want.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Sep 18, 2016 • 8:09:26am

re: #377 Nyet

Or a number of other things. Anarchist is a possibility.

Or it could be just some asshole who like making things go boom.

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Romantic Heretic  Sep 18, 2016 • 8:11:56am

re: #397 Botsplainer

That’s the premise of this book; The Enemy Within The writer, who is my favourite techno-thriller writer, who obviously understood Sun Tzu’s observation, “So it is that an army avoids strength and strikes weakness.”

Click to Reveal

Except the Iranian general responsible for the campaign doesn’t send terrorists. He sends teams of commandos, the literal survivors of a training camp he set up for his campaign.

And they don’t take credit. Each attack is claimed by ‘previously unknown’ white supremacists (when striking at not WASP Americans) or black power group (when striking at white Americans).

Needless to say after a couple of months of this America is ready to tear itself to pieces.

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ipsos  Sep 18, 2016 • 8:14:07am

Chuck Todd really needs to watch John Dickerson to learn how to do his job. The difference between how Todd let Kellyanne Conway slide and how Dickerson called her out an hour later on CBS is instructive. (And even Dickerson let her off too easily.)

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dharmamark  Sep 18, 2016 • 8:19:20am

re: #414 ipsos

Chuck Todd really needs to watch John Dickerson to learn how to do his job. The difference between how Todd let Kellyanne Conway slide and how Dickerson called her out an hour later on CBS is instructive. (And even Dickerson let her off too easily.)

Chuck Todd wouldn’t call bullshit on an actual pile of bullshit. He’s worthless.

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jaunte  Sep 18, 2016 • 8:21:33am

Birtherism: it’s not over for the Trump surrogates, they’re just finding other ways to say it.

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Eventual Carrion  Sep 18, 2016 • 8:26:08am

re: #406 Tigger2

Cheney on steroids.

Religious wafer steroids.

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sagehen  Sep 18, 2016 • 8:38:22am

re: #402 Dr. Matt

Has Trump blamed the explosion on Clinton yet?

Hmm… It is sort of nearish to where Clinton Spawn resides.

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darthstar  Sep 18, 2016 • 8:45:42am
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Anymouse  Sep 18, 2016 • 8:54:40am

re: #403 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

I don’t know but he seemed to know it was an actual bomb before anyone else did.

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On that, about Mr. Trump talking about the explosion minutes after disembarking from his plane, I would go with the benefit of the doubt on “Mr. Trump knew something” and substitute “Cheeto Jesus can’t keep his mouth shut.”

Mayor DeBlasio or the FBI likely contacted President Obama within minutes of what happened. From that, the White House would likely contact both candidates. Because the explosion was not secret (it was all over the news), there is no reason to believe that the White House would need to contact Mr. Trump with some sort of encrypted message. Just send the message in the clear, pilot informs Mr. Trump.

Also, Donald Trump has a wonkin’ huge television set on his aeroplane. It is quite possible he saw the same news coverage everyone else with a TV set did.

He then jumped to “bomb” without more information, because Mr. Trump is big on claims with scant evidence.

Note Hillary Clinton also came out shortly after the explosion, noting that she didn’t want to weigh in on the issue until the authorities knew more about what happened.

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As to the right-wing scared-o-sphere, they jumped immediately on “terrorism” because “bomb.” They went further when the pressure cooker was found.

Terrorism has a very specific definition: threats or actual damage or injury for political gain.

The Mob planting a bomb, for example to shake down a business (that’s never happened in the history of the nation) is not terrorism, though it is certainly criminal.

Someone setting a Dumpster fire and an improperly disposed chemical or aerosol canister subsequently explodes would certainly be criminal (arson), but not terrorism. There have been hundreds of Dumpster fires in New York this year (and it seems apropos that a Dumpster fire is now a literal part of the election season).

The pressure cooker with the cell phone would be deliberate (as opposed to an explosion in a Dumpster) but also not necessarily terrorism. Of note, the police seized the pressure cooker for examination, meaning it was easy to disarm or was not armed in the first place. It could be terrorism, but maybe not. It could be related to the Dumpster explosion, but maybe not.

Hence the calls for caution from Mrs. Clinton on letting the professionals (NYPD, NYFD, FBI, ATF, add some more alphabet organisation). Mr. Trump jumping straight to “bomb” is the usual bombastic Trump rhetoric, for which he will pay no price in the press if he is wrong.

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darthstar  Sep 18, 2016 • 8:56:56am
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Schroedinger's Dog  Sep 18, 2016 • 8:59:03am

Alex castellanos is just sleazy as fuck

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Anymouse  Sep 18, 2016 • 8:59:15am

re: #405 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Except that Dick Cheney did not concern himself much with abortions or bathrooms or gay sex…Mike Pence will do to human rights what DC did to Iraq

Recall that Liz Cheney threw her sister Mary under the bus over her marriage. Dick Cheney was the typical conservative that was against the BLTG until his daughter Mary came out. Like Rob Portman, Dick Cheney had a personal epiphany when the issue affected him personally.

Liz Cheney is running for the Wyoming House seat just a few miles down the road from where I live; I have friends over in Cheyenne that are trying to oppose her, but Liz Cheney is pretty much a shoo in over there.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Sep 18, 2016 • 9:05:14am

If this report is true, then wow.

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Schroedinger's Dog  Sep 18, 2016 • 9:06:17am

Watched Kellyanne Conaway three times in the last three days. Dont know how she sleeps at night.

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Belafon  Sep 18, 2016 • 9:07:01am

re: #426 Schroedinger’s Dog

Watched Kellyanne Conaway three times in the last three days. Dont know how she sleeps at night.

Pretty sure she dreams of sleeping on money.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Sep 18, 2016 • 9:08:21am
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Schroedinger's Dog  Sep 18, 2016 • 9:09:54am

re: #427 Belafon

Pretty sure she dreams of sleeping on money.

I think you need a different preposition.

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Jayleia  Sep 18, 2016 • 9:13:05am

re: #426 Schroedinger’s Dog

Sociopaths sleep quite well, since they have no conscience to keep them awake. Also morons sleep quite well, since they’re too stupid to know they fucked up.

She’s two for two.

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Great White Snark  Sep 18, 2016 • 9:14:15am
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PhillyPretzel  Sep 18, 2016 • 9:15:39am

re: #431 Great White Snark

How about just simply “loner?”

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Weaselone  Sep 18, 2016 • 9:17:07am

re: #417 jaunte

This type of lie must be actionable. Can the Clinton Foundation sue?

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Anymouse  Sep 18, 2016 • 9:17:15am

re: #429 Schroedinger’s Dog

I think you need a different preposition.

Hope Trump paid her up front.

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darthstar  Sep 18, 2016 • 9:19:19am
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The Ghost of a Flea  Sep 18, 2016 • 9:20:03am

re: #432 PhillyPretzel

How about just simply “loner?”

I vote “lone motherfucker.”

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Anymouse  Sep 18, 2016 • 9:21:19am

re: #433 Weaselone

This type of lie must be actionable. Can the Clinton Foundation sue?

Likely not.

saperlaw.com (Discussion of libel law as it pertains to the I Amendment and political campaigns, segment quoted below but the whole article will help):

How is this [libel] affected by the context of a political campaign?

It is important to keep in mind that claims for defamation are usually balanced against a person’s First Amendment protection on free speech. Importantly, the First Amendment was enacted during a time where government censorship on debate and criticism of the political process were a large concern. Therefore, the First Amendment’s principal guarantee of free speech is perhaps strongest when dealing with public debate on political issues. Thus, in the context of political campaigns, public officials are often required to meet a higher standard of proof than ordinary citizens. Most courts require public officials to prove to that the defamatory statement was made with the person’s actual knowledge of its falsehood or with reckless disregard of whether it was false or not.

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darthstar  Sep 18, 2016 • 9:21:20am
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PhillyPretzel  Sep 18, 2016 • 9:21:42am

re: #435 darthstar

Threatening former candidates? Oy Vey what is politics coming to.

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darthstar  Sep 18, 2016 • 9:22:36am

re: #439 PhillyPretzel

Threatening former candidates? Oy Vey what is politics coming to.

An end.

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Anymouse  Sep 18, 2016 • 9:23:06am

re: #435 darthstar

You will be forced to toe the party line regardless of your principles, or else. - Reince Preibus.

Party over country.

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Joe Bacon  Sep 18, 2016 • 9:23:57am

Twitter sends me an alert…

Maureen Dowd follows me on Twiiter…until I just blocked her!

I feel so much better now!

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Weaselone  Sep 18, 2016 • 9:24:20am

re: #437 Anymouse

Except their libeling the Clinton Foundation which is a separate legal entity from the Clintons.

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Joe Bacon  Sep 18, 2016 • 9:25:50am

re: #435 darthstar

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Gosh, I think the name of that Party begins with a “C”… 😏

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Sep 18, 2016 • 9:28:13am

Go read this op-ed over at the Star Tribune that tries to make a case for Trump, by a guy who is “global executive director of the Caux Round Table, an international network of business leaders working to promote a moral capitalism.”.

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darthstar  Sep 18, 2016 • 9:29:31am

…long rant about talking point campaign coverage…transition to despair over lack of substance…end of long rant about lack of substance and both sidesism…

Ah…I feel better now having gotten that off my chest. Sunrise is beautiful here in Kauai…

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Patricia Kayden  Sep 18, 2016 • 9:31:39am

re: #442 Joe Bacon

1000 upvotes for blocking Mo Do. Now you need to get David Brooks to follow you so you can block his behind.

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darthstar  Sep 18, 2016 • 9:34:57am

Previously mentioned sunrise…

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Jayleia  Sep 18, 2016 • 9:35:34am

re: #445 Eric The Fruit Bat

This guy is basically Trump, using $5 words. Jeezus, how many people have ever HEARD the word “invidiously”?

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Interesting Times  Sep 18, 2016 • 9:35:41am

Clean-up in Aisle 5, please…dead-thread hero spews again 9_9

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Patricia Kayden  Sep 18, 2016 • 9:38:21am

re: #416 jaunte

Birtherism: it’s not over for the Trump surrogates, they’re just finding other ways to say it.

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darthstar  Sep 18, 2016 • 9:45:21am
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Tigger2  Sep 18, 2016 • 9:45:26am
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I always liked those jeff foxworthy “You might be a Redneck” jokes.

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darthstar  Sep 18, 2016 • 9:46:37am

re: #452 darthstar

Illustration of media failure:

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Anymouse  Sep 18, 2016 • 9:47:31am

re: #443 Weaselone

Except their libeling the Clinton Foundation which is a separate legal entity from the Clintons.

However, the political claim is the Clintons’ are intimately entangled with the foundation (whether it is true or not).

As for the libel of the foundation itself, you still have to prove that Kellyanne Conway is deliberately falsifying facts to smear the foundation. That claim would require that she thought that up and it wasn’t fed to her by a campaign staffer, a researcher, a right-wing Website like Free Republic, &c.

It still has to be a deliberate knowing lie, and you have to be able to prove it. That is a high bar to pass in the USA.re: #444 Joe Bacon

Hmmm, what other party required you to toe the Party Line or you got purged?

Gosh, I think the name of that Party begins with a “C”… 😏

Or “N”

re: #442 Joe Bacon

Twitter sends me an alert…

Maureen Dowd follows me on Twiiter…until I just blocked her!

I feel so much better now!

Does Twitter notify her you blocked her?

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BeachDem  Sep 18, 2016 • 9:52:31am

re: #371 Romantic Heretic

Scott Lively to be tried for crimes against humanity.

Because of his helping craft the ‘Kill The Gays’ bill in Uganda. Laws that kill people for being who they are is frowned upon.

I’d just like to mention that this miscreant got 19,378 votes when he ran for governor in 2014…in MASSACHUSETTS. I know, not a lot, but about 19,377 more than he should have (I assume he voted for himself.)

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jaunte  Sep 18, 2016 • 9:53:05am

re: #433 Weaselone

This type of lie must be actionable. Can the Clinton Foundation sue?

The Trump campaign is counting on their followers’ ignorance and incuriosity to further this lie-by-misdirection. The 6% is accurate as far as what they give to other charitable organizations, but doesn’t count the rest of the money the Clinton Foundation spends on charitable programs.

The decision to withhold a rating had nothing to do with concerns about the Clinton Foundation’s charitable work. Further, Minuitti said citing only the 6 percent of the budget spent on grants as the sum total spent on charity by the foundation — as Willis and Fiorina did — is inaccurate.

She referred us to page 10 of the 2013 990 form for the Clinton Foundation. When considering the amount spent on “charitable work,” she said, one would look not just at the amount in grants given to other charities, but all of the expenses in Column B for program services. That comes to 80.6 percent of spending. (The higher 89 percent figure we cited earlier comes from a CharityWatch analysis of the Clinton Foundation and its affiliates.)
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darthstar  Sep 18, 2016 • 9:53:20am

Okay, there’s a tweetbot called @KailuaNow that picks up twitter traffic from the Island and retweets it with all the @’s removed. Maybe my sunrise pic would have been a better tweet for them to capture and resend on my behalf than this:

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jaunte  Sep 18, 2016 • 9:56:10am

“What she’s doing is looking at how many grants they write to other groups,” Borochoff said. “If you are going to look at it that way, you may as well criticize every other operating charity on the planet.”
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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 18, 2016 • 9:57:03am

So the Trump Camp is now doubling down on their conspiracy that TEH CLINTONS started the Birther thing

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Anymouse  Sep 18, 2016 • 9:57:51am

re: #450 Interesting Times

Clean-up in Aisle 5, please…dead-thread hero spews again 9_9

Done and done. littlegreenfootballs.com

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Great White Snark  Sep 18, 2016 • 9:59:03am

Gus hitting the nail on the head

— Gus Taco Trucks™ (@Gus_802) September 18, 2016

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Dr. Matt  Sep 18, 2016 • 9:59:21am
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And the idiots having meltdowns about this are the same “people” who en masse weapons and ammo because a Blah man was elected as POTUS.

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darthstar  Sep 18, 2016 • 10:01:31am

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There’s an easy fix…just have the announcer say, “Please honor our country by standing or genuflecting for the National Anthem.”

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Charles Johnson  Sep 18, 2016 • 10:03:36am
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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 18, 2016 • 10:03:44am

re: #462 Great White Snark

Gus hitting the nail on the head

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BeachDem  Sep 18, 2016 • 10:05:11am

re: #416 jaunte

Birtherism: it’s not over for the Trump surrogates, they’re just finding other ways to say it.

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BeachDem  Sep 18, 2016 • 10:07:24am

re: #422 darthstar

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Jenner7  Sep 18, 2016 • 10:07:48am

I know it was talked about on twitter last night, but it’s being largely ignored today:

A Presidential candidate blabbled to a bunch of supporters after he was briefed about the NYC explosion. It doesn’t matter if he was right about it being a “bomb”, he needs to let the proper authorities handle it. It was incredibly irresponsible and did more harm than good. But, I gather that’s exactly what he wanted to do.

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Charles Johnson  Sep 18, 2016 • 10:08:20am
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BeachDem  Sep 18, 2016 • 10:08:27am

re: #426 Schroedinger’s Dog

Watched Kellyanne Conaway three times in the last three days. Dont know how she sleeps at night.

Hanging upside down by her feet.

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Anymouse  Sep 18, 2016 • 10:08:38am

re: #456 BeachDem

I’d just like to mention that this miscreant got 19,378 votes when he ran for governor in 2014…in MASSACHUSETTS. I know, not a lot, but about 19,377 more than he should have (I assume he voted for himself.)

The article is from 2014.

A summary judgement was supposed to be handed down four days ago in Springfield.

en.wikipedia.org

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Charles Johnson  Sep 18, 2016 • 10:12:48am
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Sherlock Hound  Sep 18, 2016 • 10:14:41am

re: #456 BeachDem

I’d just like to mention that this miscreant got 19,378 votes when he ran for governor in 2014…in MASSACHUSETTS. I know, not a lot, but about 19,377 more than he should have (I assume he voted for himself.)

Outside of Eastern Mass., this is not uncommon. Look up Brian Camenker, of Mass Resistance.

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Anymouse  Sep 18, 2016 • 10:15:07am

re: #473 Charles Johnson

It’s almost as if they want PC speech to protect their delicate feelings.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 18, 2016 • 10:18:16am

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MsJ  Sep 18, 2016 • 10:18:28am

re: #475 Anymouse

It’s almost as if tThey want PC speech to protect their delicate feelings.

FIFY

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Charles Johnson  Sep 18, 2016 • 10:18:32am
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BeachDem  Sep 18, 2016 • 10:20:00am

re: #474 Sherlock Hound

Outside of Eastern Mass., this is not uncommon. Look up Brian Camenker, of Mass Resistance.

Oh, I know—I have wingnut relatives in MA and follow the politics closely (you never forget where you were born and raised.) In fact, I participated last month while I was staying at my niece’s house—answered in her stead to a phone poll about the charter school expansion bullshit.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 18, 2016 • 10:28:43am

re: #478 Charles Johnson

Only leftists actually murder their opposition, historically ignorant numbskulls. Read more

Salvador Allende and Archbishop Romero would beg to differ, if they hadn’t been murdered by Rightists.

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Charles Johnson  Sep 18, 2016 • 10:29:14am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 18, 2016 • 10:30:30am

re: #435 darthstar

RNC Chairman: Party could penalize former GOP candidates who don’t endorse Donald Trump]

The moral equivalent of sitting through the National Anthem…

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Weaselone  Sep 18, 2016 • 10:31:33am

re: #485 Charles Johnson

So he was just too embarrassed to refer to President Obama as Spock?

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ipsos  Sep 18, 2016 • 10:32:00am

re: #474 Sherlock Hound

Outside of Eastern Mass., this is not uncommon. Look up Brian Camenker, of Mass Resistance.

Camenker is from Eastern Mass. himself. He’s been around a loving time. Mrs. ipsos covered him when he was either on or harassing the Newton school board in the early 90s. He was an asshole even that long ago.

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CuriousLurker  Sep 18, 2016 • 10:35:04am

Kinda cool. I love BBC.

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darthstar  Sep 18, 2016 • 10:35:27am

My wife just now…”Ooh, rainbow!”
Me: “Again?”
That made her chuckle.
But I got out of bed, walked out to the Lanai (deck) and took a picture, then looked over to the lanai to my left to see a man and woman doing the same…except I was standing there naked and they weren’t. Oops.
That made her chuckle too.

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Timothy Watson  Sep 18, 2016 • 10:35:30am

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Belafon  Sep 18, 2016 • 10:40:37am

re: #489 CuriousLurker

Nobody can really tell you what a flower is

It may not be very scientific, but I think flower means “Come pollinate me.” It’s nature’s equivalent of a flashing neon sign and it’s whole purpose is to ensure procreation. In other words, flowers are mechanisms, not things.

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Targetpractice  Sep 18, 2016 • 10:41:09am

re: #460 The Vicious Babushka

So the Trump Camp is now doubling down on their conspiracy that TEH CLINTONS started the Birther thing

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CuriousLurker  Sep 18, 2016 • 10:41:13am

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It may not be very scientific, but I think flower means “Come pollinate me.” It’s natures equivalent of a flashing neon sign.

LOL, true that.

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BeachDem  Sep 18, 2016 • 10:43:38am

Kasich, so close to not being an asshole for 5 minutes:
“You know Chuck, yeah,” Kasich said when Chuck Todd asked him on NBC’s “Meet the Press” if Trump owes Obama an apology.

But, of course, it couldn’t last:

“There was tremendous hatred being directed at George W. Bush, you know, that he needed to be impeached and all these insane things,” Kasich said. “And that same anger has moved on to Barack Obama. And it’s going to move on to whoever who should win this election.”
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Yeah, because hating Bush for lying us into a war was exactly the same as claiming Obama wasn’t entitled to be president at all. So John Kasich was, is, and will always remain, an asshole.

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Big Beautiful Door  Sep 18, 2016 • 10:43:53am

re: #426 Schroedinger’s Dog

Watched Kellyanne Conaway three times in the last three days. Dont know how she sleeps at night.

On a soft, comfortable mattress of money.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 18, 2016 • 10:44:04am

re: #489 CuriousLurker

They’re plant genitalia, with, as Belafon observes, big neon signs offering food in exchange for plant sex. With arrows and runway lights only bugs can see.

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Big Beautiful Door  Sep 18, 2016 • 10:45:29am

re: #434 Anymouse

Hope Trump paid her up front.

Not me, I hope he stiffs her.

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darthstar  Sep 18, 2016 • 10:46:02am

Gotta give Trump credit. Trolling the networks with a birther news conference/Hotel grand opening media event took some balls, and it’s dominated the weekend news coverage for all intents and purposes.

And everyone is playing along. Even Hillary sent off a “Tweetstorm” in response to his birther claims, adding fuel to the media dumpster fire. Today, it’s on all the Sunday talk shows, and pretty much engrossing Twitter.

Of course, smart people are only mocking Trump and pointing out that he’s a liar. They’re not furthering the discussion. Because he’s a liar. He lied, don’t you know? He’s traded one lie (Obama was born in Kenya) with another lie (Hillary started the birther movement). So that, too needs to be debated…because it’s based on a lie. A lie told by a liar who lied.

Three days of media control accomplished…and it cost nothing

By the way, this is how he wants the debate a week from Monday to go.

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jaunte  Sep 18, 2016 • 10:46:39am
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PhillyPretzel  Sep 18, 2016 • 10:47:44am

re: #489 CuriousLurker

re: #492 Belafon

re: #497 Blind Frog Belly White

If you can get a copy of The Botany of Desire you will get a good explanation of what makes flowers so attractive.
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electrotek  Sep 18, 2016 • 10:47:45am
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Anymouse  Sep 18, 2016 • 10:48:41am

re: #492 Belafon

It may not be very scientific, but I think flower means “Come pollinate me.” It’s nature’s equivalent of a flashing neon sign and it’s whole purpose is to ensure procreation. In other words, flowers are mechanisms, not things.

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Well, you could say the same about a curvy woman’s … uh … assets (they’re a mechanism, not a thing), but I bet if I tried that with my wife she would knock me through the window across the street to the church flying through the air in my bathrobe.

A flower is a sex organ for a plant.

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We all remember how Benghazi got Mitt Romney elected.

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darthstar  Sep 18, 2016 • 10:49:19am

re: #500 jaunte

Yet another stupid comment from Trump that is getting interpreted(or possibly misinterpreted) and repeated until the right whack job lifts an eyebrow and says, “Whuh? I can help.”

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 18, 2016 • 10:49:45am

re: #499 darthstar

Gotta give Trump credit. Trolling the networks with a birther news conference/Hotel grand opening media event took some balls, and it’s dominated the weekend news coverage for all intents and purposes.

And everyone is playing along. Even Hillary sent off a “Tweetstorm” in response to his birther claims, adding fuel to the media dumpster fire. Today, it’s on all the Sunday talk shows, and pretty much engrossing Twitter.

Of course, smart people are only mocking Trump and pointing out that he’s a liar. They’re not furthering the discussion. Because he’s a liar. He lied, don’t you know? He’s traded one lie (Obama was born in Kenya) with another lie (Hillary started the birther movement). So that, too needs to be debated…because it’s based on a lie. A lie told by a liar who lied.

Three days of media control accomplished…and it cost nothing

By the way, this is how he wants the debate a week from Monday to go.

I think there’s been a sea change, though, darth - a lot more of the Media talking heads are willing to use the ‘L’ word about this, and to challenge the claims. I do not see this redounding to his benefit.

Of course, it wasn’t necessarily the lie that ‘She started it!’ that got them. It was the realization he used the whole thing to get them to broadcast a commercial for his newest hotel. Apparently when the pool reporters were physically prevented from following the pool cameras as Trump gave a tour, the networks got together and erased the video.

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Anymouse  Sep 18, 2016 • 10:51:38am

re: #507 Blind Frog Belly White

I suspect they’ll go back to the horse race narrative as quickly as they can. Advert dollars are people.

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Belafon  Sep 18, 2016 • 10:52:03am

re: #504 Anymouse

Well, you could say the same about a curvy woman’s … uh … assets (they’re a mechanism, not a thing), but I bet if I tried that with my wife she would knock me through the window across the street to the church flying through the air in my bathrobe.

A flower is a sex organ for a plant.

Very true. I didn’t quite end that quite specifically enough. What I was trying to get at is that they probably shouldn’t try to make one definition to fit all flowers. Any more specific than “helps promote flower sex” is probably going to be too specific to get all flowers under the definition.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 18, 2016 • 10:52:20am

re: #501 PhillyPretzel

If you can get a copy of The Botany of Desire you will get a good explanation of what makes flowers so attractive.
amazon.com

I love that book! But my favorite part was the section on the Apple!

I grew up in orchard country and it would not be a stretch to say apples clothed, sheltered, and fed me, and put me through school! To this day, I think they’re Dad’s favorite food. When he worked at the Applesauce Plant, he used to go down to cold storage and grab a few. Probably ate 3-4 apples a day.

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darthstar  Sep 18, 2016 • 10:53:30am

re: #507 Blind Frog Belly White

Well, that’s a little reassuring.

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darthstar  Sep 18, 2016 • 10:53:43am

Okay folks, time to go enjoy my day.

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PhillyPretzel  Sep 18, 2016 • 10:54:23am

re: #510 Blind Frog Belly White

I am sure the book was good. I watched the PBS video and it was so good that I bought a copy of it from amazon. I have watched it several times.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 18, 2016 • 10:55:28am

re: #511 darthstar

Well, that’s a little reassuring.

I know. We’ll see how it plays out. But a couple polls are showing an end to, and possible reversal of Trumpmentum, which was never really so much him gaining as her slipping. He’s still mired below 43%.

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Belafon  Sep 18, 2016 • 10:56:18am

re: #499 darthstar

Just because Trump believes that all news is good news doesn’t make it true.

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blueraven  Sep 18, 2016 • 10:56:58am

re: #499 darthstar

Gotta give Trump credit. Trolling the networks with a birther news conference/Hotel grand opening media event took some balls, and it’s dominated the weekend news coverage for all intents and purposes.

And everyone is playing along. Even Hillary sent off a “Tweetstorm” in response to his birther claims, adding fuel to the media dumpster fire. Today, it’s on all the Sunday talk shows, and pretty much engrossing Twitter.

Of course, smart people are only mocking Trump and pointing out that he’s a liar. They’re not furthering the discussion. Because he’s a liar. He lied, don’t you know? He’s traded one lie (Obama was born in Kenya) with another lie (Hillary started the birther movement). So that, too needs to be debated…because it’s based on a lie. A lie told by a liar who lied.

Three days of media control accomplished…and it cost nothing

By the way, this is how he wants the debate a week from Monday to go.

Excuse me, you really believe it took balls to punk the media?

Your definition of someone having balls is different than mine, and I would think many others as well.

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retired cynic  Sep 18, 2016 • 10:58:33am

re: #516 blueraven

Excuse me, you really believe it took balls to punk the media?

Your definition of someone having balls is different than mine, and I would think many others as well.

One of the “journalists” could have stood up and said, “This is a promotional gig for the hotel bearing your name, and not a news conference. I’m leaving.” THAT would have been balls.

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BeachDem  Sep 18, 2016 • 10:58:52am

The media in a nutshell:

speculation helps get us through these times

rawstory.com

And MSNBC got rid of Melissa Harris-Perry and kept this dim “Witt”

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Dr. Matt  Sep 18, 2016 • 11:00:40am

re: #516 blueraven

Excuse me, you really believe it took balls to punk the media?

Your definition of someone having balls is different than mine, and I would think many others as well.

Trump continued to do what he does best: make a mockery of himself and the race for the presidency. There is nothing dignified about him or his supporters.

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Romantic Heretic  Sep 18, 2016 • 11:02:25am

re: #432 PhillyPretzel

How about just simply “loner?”

Anti-social nutbar.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Sep 18, 2016 • 11:02:39am

re: #502 electrotek

She is one of the most reviled people in Great Britain.

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Dr. Matt  Sep 18, 2016 • 11:03:36am

re: #432 PhillyPretzel

How about just simply “loner?”

SMOTI already located his Democrat Party voter registration.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 18, 2016 • 11:05:32am

Yesterday I was watching Shattered Glass, the film about the Stephen Glass plagiarism scandal at the New Republic.

I can’t help but think: If he’d only waited 10 or 15 years he could have kept writing bullshit and gotten away with it until the end of time.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Sep 18, 2016 • 11:05:38am

re: #514 Blind Frog Belly White

I actually looked at the NYT and Mr. Sam’s prediction things. Things there are remarkably stable compared to 538.

I think Nate Silver is including way too many unreliable polls. About 1/2 the ones he is including are various forms of online polls, and he really doesn’t go into the demographics of the polls either.

I should note that the NYT also includes some online polls too, so they are a bit off too.

Online polls are self-selecting, and have other problems.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Sep 18, 2016 • 11:10:27am
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Anymouse  Sep 18, 2016 • 11:16:41am

re: #525 Ziggy_TARDIS

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Well, a 3,000 year old cooking mistake that archaeologists can find has to be worse than undercooking a chicken … /s

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Romantic Heretic  Sep 18, 2016 • 11:17:56am

re: #492 Belafon

And some orchids promise that the species that pollinates them will have a chance to procreate.

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sagehen  Sep 18, 2016 • 11:38:38am

re: #478 Charles Johnson

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Somoza and Pinochet are suddenly leftists? Searcy should read more.


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