NYC Bombing Update: FBI Stops “Vehicle of Interest” on Verrazano Bridge

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Information is very scarce right now but there have been some developments tonight in the investigation into the bombing in Chelsea.

The FBI confirmed Sunday night that a traffic stop on the Verrazano Bridge is part of an investigation into Saturday’s bombing in Manhattan that injured 29 people.

Around 8:45 p.m. Sunday, the FBI and NYPD stopped a vehicle of interest on the bridge, the FBI said in a statement. 

No one has been charged with a crime and the investigation is ongoing, the FBI said. 

Meanwhile, the FBI and police were responding to a suspicious package near the New Jersey Transit station in Elizabeth. 

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FormerDirtDart  Sep 18, 2016 • 9:40:59pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 18, 2016 • 9:42:03pm

Sorry to go OT but I’ve been writing as self therapy today. My latest:

NIGHTFALL
(to the tune of “Black day in July” by Gordon Lightfoot)

Beneath the darkened sky,
Beneath the darkened sky,
Burning ash is falling and
The world has gone awry.
You can sense the rising anger,
As the people rush the streets,
And the poor man doesn’t care now
If he starves or if he eats.

Beneath the darkened sky,
Beneath the darkened sky,
There’s a thousand footsteps marching
And the tension is running high.
There’s a rebellion underway now
With little time to acclimate,
Now they’ve reached the ivory tower and they’re set to storm the gate.

Beneath the darkened sky,
Beneath the darkened sky,
There’s gunfire all around us, city wars that never cease,
They don’t want your law and order, it’s open season on the police,
And the crying of the widows can’t repair the broken peace.

Beneath the darkened sky.

In the office of the minister,
There’s little that is known for sure.
It’s quite tough to get a message
Through the mess of urban wreckage.
So they gather close together,
And appeal to powers higher,
Because society is burning
and there’s no escaping from the fire.

Beneath the darkened sky,
Beneath the darkened sky
Now we know for certain what the devil has in store,
For the sons and the daughters
Of the ones who came before.
Witness how the evil game is played,
And don’t bother keeping score.

Beneath the darkened sky,
Beneath the darkened sky,
There’s the faintest breath of morning
On the far horizon line.
The buildings lie in ruins
And the people? much the same.
There’s the shadow of the good man,
As he hangs his head in shame.
How did such disaster happen?
Will we ever understand
How we ended up so distant
From the place where we began?

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teleskiguy  Sep 18, 2016 • 9:42:47pm

Josh Marshall is gathering information as best he can.

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FormerDirtDart  Sep 18, 2016 • 9:58:24pm

I really hope this was not an “oops”

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austin_blue  Sep 18, 2016 • 10:07:51pm

re: #4 FormerDirtDart

I really hope this was not an “oops”

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Not surprising if they did a controlled demolition of the found devices. Standard practice. What’s found in the tub will generally tell you everything you need to know, and you don’t have actual people going

“Green wire or red wire? This looks really fucked up.”

“I don’t know, man. Sometimes you have to take your best guess.”

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austin_blue  Sep 18, 2016 • 10:13:31pm

re: #1 FormerDirtDart

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Look! Trump, the little blind piggie and master of the post mortem without a clue as to the policies that led to the events, found an acorn!

What a savant! What brilliance and éclat! All Hail El Duce!

Barf.

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austin_blue  Sep 18, 2016 • 10:16:48pm

And it’s past the witching hour in the ‘04 in Austin. Sweet dreams, my friends. Tomorrow is a new opportunity to be excellent humans. Let’s make the most of it.

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gwangung  Sep 18, 2016 • 10:35:17pm
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FormerDirtDart  Sep 18, 2016 • 10:47:03pm

It was an “oops”

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teleskiguy  Sep 18, 2016 • 10:50:01pm

re: #9 FormerDirtDart

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FormerDirtDart  Sep 18, 2016 • 10:57:40pm

re: #10 teleskiguy

Yeah, colored lights aren’t the best idea

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Single-handed sailor  Sep 18, 2016 • 11:02:37pm

re: #10 teleskiguy

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I was a traffic signal dude, I preferred vuarnet nautilux blue blocking sunglasses. They totally mess up color recognition, really bad when you are working with about 32 different color combinations of wire. I learned not to cut wires until I verified the color without my glasses.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Sep 18, 2016 • 11:06:52pm

re: #12 Single-handed sailor

I was a traffic signal dude, I preferred vuarnet nautilux blue blocking sunglasses. They totally mess up color recognition, really bad when you are working with about 32 different color combinations of wire. I learned not to cut wires until I verified the color without my glasses.

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32? I learned the “Bad Boys Rape Our Young Girls…” mnemonic for resistors, but 32 colors?

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Sep 18, 2016 • 11:08:29pm

re: #13 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

32? I learned the “Bad Boys Rape Our Young Girls…” mnemonic for resistors, but 32 colors?

Wires with stripes, probably

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Kragar  Sep 18, 2016 • 11:08:31pm

re: #10 teleskiguy

M as in Mancy.wmv

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Single-handed sailor  Sep 18, 2016 • 11:11:40pm

re: #14 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Wires with stripes, probably

yep, telling white from yellow stripes, blue from green stripes on top of the wire color.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Sep 18, 2016 • 11:16:51pm

re: #16 Single-handed sailor

yep, telling white from yellow stripes, blue from green stripes on top of the wire color.

I’ve chased a few wires in my days, too.

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teleskiguy  Sep 18, 2016 • 11:21:29pm
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Dave In Austin  Sep 18, 2016 • 11:36:45pm

One to save for the special people…..

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Dave In Austin  Sep 18, 2016 • 11:42:12pm

6am can’t come fast enough. It’s going to be one of those nites.

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sagehen  Sep 18, 2016 • 11:44:30pm

re: #16 Single-handed sailor

yep, telling white from yellow stripes, blue from green stripes on top of the wire color.

Stargate SG1 O’Neill defusing A-Bomb on an asteroid

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teleskiguy  Sep 19, 2016 • 12:09:15am

What a strange portrait of a comedian widower.

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Dave In Austin  Sep 19, 2016 • 12:17:43am

re: #22 teleskiguy

What a strange portrait of a comedian widower.

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I can’t imagine……

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TedStriker  Sep 19, 2016 • 12:32:44am

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teleskiguy  Sep 19, 2016 • 1:35:12am
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Botsplainer  Sep 19, 2016 • 2:11:35am

Anybody check the cell phone triangulation on Lucretia, Cesare and Juan against these device locations? Heh…

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 19, 2016 • 2:46:45am

re: #1 FormerDirtDart

Mike Pence admiring Dick Cheney

Whatever else you can say about Cheney, he did not obsess about gay marriage, bathroom laws or abortions.

Mike Pence wants to do to LGBT and women’s rights what DC did to Iraq.

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Weaselone  Sep 19, 2016 • 3:17:06am

I would just like to express how thankful I am that our domestic terrorists once again appear to have received their training at the Trump University School of Terrorism.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 19, 2016 • 3:24:35am

re: #28 Weaselone

I would just like to express how thankful I am that our domestic terrorists once again appear to have received their training at the Trump University School of Terrorism.

No need to read any further: these terrorists were funded and promoted by Hillary and Obama to undermine our American Freedoms.

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Emptor scriptor Remorse  Sep 19, 2016 • 4:42:02am

re: #14 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

But Violet gives willingly

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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 19, 2016 • 4:43:19am

He’s on Fox now, congratulating himself for predicting the explosions with his superpowers of future-telling!

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 19, 2016 • 4:45:42am

re: #31 The Vicious Babushka

He’s on Fox now, congratulating himself for predicting the explosions with his superpowers of future-telling!

He knows he can say pretty much whatever he wants on the topic and that most of the viewership will be to media-ADD to remember the details a day or two later, after which he will have moved on to his next outrageous utterance.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Sep 19, 2016 • 4:45:57am

re: #30 Emptor scriptor Remorse

But Violet gives willingly

Get Some Now!

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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 19, 2016 • 4:47:01am

Wait for SMOTI to proclaim the suspected bomber is a REGISTERED DEMOCRAT 7 A HILLARY SUPPORTER!!!!!!

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Timothy Watson  Sep 19, 2016 • 4:53:52am
The Army is reexamining the cases of at least 73 soldiers who it kicked out under other-than-honorable circumstances between 2009 and 2015 because it may have run afoul of a federal law intended to help ensure troops aren’t punished for mental health issues that were actually caused by their military service.

At issue is a provision in the 2010 National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA) that requires all the military branches to consider whether service-connected behavioral health might have played a role in whatever misconduct officials are using as their reasoning for separating a military member.

Any servicemember who’s served in a combat zone in the previous two years who’s also been diagnosed with post-traumatic stress or traumatic brain injury is supposed to get additional scrutiny before commanders discharge him or her for a law or rule violation - particularly since a less-than-honorable discharge makes them ineligible for mental health treatment or any other veterans benefits.

federalnewsradio.com

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Birth Control Works  Sep 19, 2016 • 4:57:03am

Is there any reason I should try to figure this out?

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Smith25's Liberal Thighs  Sep 19, 2016 • 4:58:16am

OT:

Got a guest speaker for my class today.

Brian Hale- Director of public affairs for the Office of the Director of National Intelligence.

He’s an ‘85 grad of the school I teach at.

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Birth Control Works  Sep 19, 2016 • 4:58:55am

Hitlary?

I’m really glad I’ve been mostly ignoring the media as this campaign cycle closes.

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Birth Control Works  Sep 19, 2016 • 5:00:22am

Ok, I’m done for the day.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 19, 2016 • 5:01:55am

re: #39 Birth Control Works

Ok, I’m done for the day.

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Yeah fuck that guy. Typical conservative pig.

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Dr Lizardo  Sep 19, 2016 • 5:02:00am

re: #39 Birth Control Works

Ok, I’m done for the day.

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LOLOL these people are insane. Seriously, that’s gotta be a sign of some kind of profound mental disturbance.

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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 19, 2016 • 5:02:40am

This is the Stupidest Tweet about the NYC Chelsea bombing that you will see all day==>

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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 19, 2016 • 5:04:02am

re: #38 Birth Control Works

Hitlary?

I’m really glad I’ve been mostly ignoring the media as this campaign cycle closes.

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Timothy Watson  Sep 19, 2016 • 5:04:15am

re: #42 The Vicious Babushka

This is the Stupidest Tweet about the NYC Chelsea bombing that you will see all day==>

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Guns beat bombs!!1! CONFIRMED FACT LIBTARD

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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 19, 2016 • 5:05:28am

Trump announces on Fox & Friends, his detailed plan for destroying ISIS in the first hour of his first day as President

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Dr Lizardo  Sep 19, 2016 • 5:07:04am

re: #45 The Vicious Babushka

Trump announces on Fox & Friends, his detailed plan for destroying ISIS in the first hour of his first day as President

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As usual, Trump is talking out of his ass.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 19, 2016 • 5:07:14am

re: #42 The Vicious Babushka

This is the Stupidest Tweet about the NYC Chelsea bombing that you will see all day==>

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It’s only 8 but yes that’s very stupid.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Sep 19, 2016 • 5:07:19am

re: #33 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Get Some Now!

That particular mnemonic was one I did not teach my high school physics students. Just sayin’.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Sep 19, 2016 • 5:08:18am

re: #45 The Vicious Babushka

Trump announces on Fox & Friends, his detailed plan for destroying ISIS in the first hour of his first day as President

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Hit ‘em in the back of the head with a chair.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 19, 2016 • 5:08:26am

Trump talks a lot of tough shit but he knows nothing about we’re actually dealing with. He’s also a perfect recruiting model for anti Western propaganda.

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Birth Control Works  Sep 19, 2016 • 5:08:27am

re: #43 The Vicious Babushka

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already retweeted you on that one.

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Birth Control Works  Sep 19, 2016 • 5:09:22am

re: #45 The Vicious Babushka

Trump announces on Fox & Friends, his detailed plan for destroying ISIS in the first hour of his first day as President

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Is knocking anything like trouncing?

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HappyWarrior  Sep 19, 2016 • 5:09:29am

re: #49 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Hit ‘em in the back of the head with a chair.

Obama never would have pile driven Osama.

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Barefoot Grin  Sep 19, 2016 • 5:10:57am

If Trump were smart enough or cared enough to actually know what’s going on, I’d think he meant that we’ll team up with Russia to back Assad and just roll the whole fucking thing up regardless of distinctions between moderate anti-Assad or ISIS, etc.

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Timothy Watson  Sep 19, 2016 • 5:11:44am

re: #48 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

That particular mnemonic was one I did not teach my high school physics students. Just sayin’.

xkcd doesn’t like it either:
xkcd.com

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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 19, 2016 • 5:12:10am

re: #54 Barefoot Grin

If Trump were smart enough or cared enough to actually know what’s going on, I’d think he meant that we’ll team up with Russia to back Assad and just roll the whole fucking thing up regardless or distinctions between moderate anti-Assad or ISIS, etc.

Trump wants to team up with Putin so the Russians will do all the war crime that is too “politically incorrect” for Americans to do.

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ObserverArt  Sep 19, 2016 • 5:17:17am

Just saw this…uggh.

Huffington Post - Why Hillary Lost: A Premature Obit

Why Hillary Lost: A Premature Obit

The blame game has already begun. Here’s where Democrats will point the finger if she loses.

On the high, crenelated ramparts of Castle Clinton, a chill breeze is stirring ― a faint but gnawing sense that the White Walkers are coming, wearing “MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN” baseball caps on their skinless noggins.

If Donald Trump does sack the fortress, no one who lost the battle will want to admit it was Hillary Clinton’s fault. It will have had nothing to do with, say, “transparency” or calling bearded villagers “deplorables” or the Iraq War vote or the simple fact that middle-of-the-road Clintonism ran out of gas as a public philosophy.

No, other individuals, groups and forces will have to be blamed. In fact, they already are, pre-emptively. If Trump wins, we’re all going to be too busy moving to Canada to read the postmortems (or write them), so we offer them to you now:

- - CUT - -(And then a list of 9 reasons follows…and I don’t want to spoil the ‘fun’ so more at link)

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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 19, 2016 • 5:19:19am

re: #57 ObserverArt

Just saw this…uggh.

Huffington Post - Why Hillary Lost: A Premature Obit

That was Stupid.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Sep 19, 2016 • 5:20:45am

re: #55 Timothy Watson

xkcd doesn’t like it either:
xkcd.com

For the planets, I learned: My Very Earnest Mother Just Stole Uncle Ned’s Pants (or Pizza). With Pluto off the official list of planets, I suppose it needs revision.

Or not.

Star spectral classifications go: Oh, Be A Fine Girl/Guy, Kiss Me!

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Birth Control Works  Sep 19, 2016 • 5:21:37am

bbl

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Timothy Watson  Sep 19, 2016 • 5:21:57am

re: #57 ObserverArt

Just saw this…uggh.

Huffington Post - Why Hillary Lost: A Premature Obit

Someone needs to tell them that imitating Maureen Dowd with a column full of pop-culture references isn’t a good idea.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 19, 2016 • 5:23:13am

re: #57 ObserverArt

Just saw this…uggh.

Huffington Post - Why Hillary Lost: A Premature Obit

Honestly if she loses, I’ll be more angry at our country men and women who actually see Trump as presidential material.

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Le Lapin Tueur  Sep 19, 2016 • 5:23:25am

re: #42 The Vicious Babushka

This is the Stupidest Tweet about the NYC Chelsea bombing that you will see all day

16 more hours more…. I am guessing someone can top it.

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Timothy Watson  Sep 19, 2016 • 5:23:39am

Ugh:

Authorities seek Ahmad Khan Rahami, 28, for questioning in NYC blast

The New York Police Department says it is looking for a 28-year-old man for questioning in the New York City bombing.

The NYPD tweeted Monday morning that authorities were seeking Ahmad Khan Rahami. He is a naturalized citizen from Afghanistan.

Bill de Blasio says he could be armed and dangerous.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 19, 2016 • 5:25:01am

I mean I’m sorry but Clinton’s problems pale with Trump. She’s not perfect but she’s intelligent and has capable advisers. Trump meanwhile is ignorant and despises the very idea of advisers.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 19, 2016 • 5:25:37am

re: #64 Timothy Watson

Ugh:

richmond.com

Trump just orgasmed himself.

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Timothy Watson  Sep 19, 2016 • 5:26:57am

A contribution to a federal candidate, no matter the amount, is reported to the FCC, right?

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Le Lapin Tueur  Sep 19, 2016 • 5:27:08am

re: #46 Dr Lizardo

As usual, Trump is talking out of his ass.

It’s beyond talking out of his ass, it’s babbling nonsensical stupidity. Seriously, who can listen to this orange yam talk and not think, holy shit, that’s a great plan, let’s go?

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Dr Lizardo  Sep 19, 2016 • 5:28:56am

re: #66 HappyWarrior

Trump just orgasmed himself.

So that was the source of that vaguely disturbing bellowing I just heard.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 19, 2016 • 5:29:48am

re: #69 Dr Lizardo

So that was the source of that vaguely disturbing bellowing I just heard.

The shot heard round the world part 3.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 19, 2016 • 5:31:36am

It really worries me that Trump can do this well in a time of economic prosperity. I don’t know what to think will happen when the next economic downturn hits. Fascists like Trump take advantage of that shit. It has to be stopped.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Sep 19, 2016 • 5:37:51am

re: #71 HappyWarrior

It really worries me that Trump can do this well in a time of economic prosperity. I don’t know what to think will happen when the next economic downturn hits. Fascists like Trump take advantage of that shit. It has to be stopped.

They don’t need an actual downturn. In the fantasy world created by Fox and not really contradicted by the rest of the media, the stock market has been going down and unemployment has been going up for the last eight years. It’s just as good as a real recession—the rich are raking it in hand over fist, and the idiots will vote for the GOP to “turn things around”.

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jeffreyw  Sep 19, 2016 • 5:41:28am

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Ready or not, good morning!

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HappyWarrior  Sep 19, 2016 • 5:42:29am

re: #72 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

They don’t need an actual downturn. In the fantasy world created by Fox and not really contradicted by the rest of the media, the stock market has been going down and unemployment has been going up for the last eight years. It’s just as good as a real recession—the rich are raking it in hand over fist, and the idiots will vote for the GOP to “turn things around”.

I know, I’m saying it will be even worse in an actual economic downturn.

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lawhawk  Sep 19, 2016 • 5:43:21am

Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area. Looks like we’ve had some developments since I last dropped by. You know, additional explosive devices located by the NJ Transit station in Elizabeth (and prematurely detonated while police were trying to disarm it - no one injured thankfully).

And a person of interest/suspect has been identified as Ahmad Khan Rahami. US citizen of Afghan descent. He’s considered armed and dangerous:

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Belafon  Sep 19, 2016 • 5:50:08am

I thought this was a very interesting line in a diary at Daily Kos:

And Johnson appears to be pulling votes from Hillary, not Trump.

The line is not from the diarist, but from a facebook friend of the diarist that the diarist is quoting. People paying attention to the polling are noticing that Johnson is hurting Clinton more than Trump.

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Decatur Deb  Sep 19, 2016 • 5:51:12am

Morning, all—

Another day to check 538 before checking the weather report. HRC is at a flat 60-40 win. If this were a rational electorate, Trump would be trailing Gary Johnson, and both would be in the low single digits.

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lawhawk  Sep 19, 2016 • 5:51:48am

In Israel, they profile. They’ve done an unbelievable job.

Which absolutely and completely ignores that there have been a series of stabbings and other attacks against Israelis by Palestinian terrorists in the past year. That’s not exactly an unbelievable job. It’s reality of what happens when terror groups change tactics and law enforcement has to adjust.

Hamas has stopped carrying out rocket attacks against Israel and we’re seeing more lone-wolf style attacks. There’s been a reduction in bombings, which is due to a change in tactics and a consequence of building the security fence. The fence encouraged terror groups to seek alternative means, which meant rocket attacks. Israel’s response was Iron Dome, and that too has seen a stalemate, so the terror groups have adjusted tactics again, so lone wolf knife attacks have been on the rise. These are far more difficult to intercept and identify.

We are seeing something similar with IS - more lone-wolf attacks, with IS claiming responsibility regardless of whether they are directly involved or not. Tactics can range from bombings to stabbings or shootings. With the nearly unlimited number of potential targets, it’s quite difficult to stop any one attack. Law enforcement would have to be 100% effective in stopping attacks, whereas a terrorist only needs to get it done once. And law enforcement isn’t 100% effective. Even if it’s 99% effective, that means that there will be attacks that get through.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Sep 19, 2016 • 5:54:38am

re: #78 lawhawk

Don’t worry. Trump will fix everything, within an hour of taking office. Then, he will rest for the remainder of his term, however long that is.

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Emptor scriptor Remorse  Sep 19, 2016 • 5:57:10am

re: #76 Belafon

I thought this was a very interesting line in a diary at Daily Kos:

And Johnson appears to be pulling votes from Hillary, not Trump.

The line is not from the diarist, but from a facebook friend of the diarist that the diarist is quoting. People paying attention to the polling are noticing that Johnson is hurting Clinton more than Trump.

He has been running a lot of radio ads in upstate NY, and if he didn’t, I wouldn’t even know who he is.

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Timothy Watson  Sep 19, 2016 • 5:58:19am

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lawhawk  Sep 19, 2016 • 6:00:33am

An interesting take on Trump’s relationship with the Jewish community. Complicated is perhaps an oversimplification of how he views the Jewish community. He’s gone from thinking that they are the best in certain fields, and prefers them over other groups (as for renting apartments to) to pushing anti-Semitic stereotypes and then having his flacks claim it was no such thing (it’s a LEO badge).

Throughout, Trump shows bigotry and doesn’t get anything other than how to try and make a buck.

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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 19, 2016 • 6:01:06am

re: #71 HappyWarrior

It really worries me that Trump can do this well in a time of economic prosperity. I don’t know what to think will happen when the next economic downturn hits. Fascists like Trump take advantage of that shit. It has to be stopped.

Trump is telling people “things have never been this bad” “our cities are a disaster” “nobody has a job anymore because Mexicans are swarming across the border and taken away all teh jerbs!!!” and the dumb rubes believe him.

TRUMP: The sky is red!
FOX: The sky is red!
CNN: Have you looked at the sky lately?
MSNBC: How do we know what color the sky is? An optical physicist explains.
NY TIMES: Sky color is in the eye of the beholder
LGF: It’s blue
TWITTER DEPLORABLES: Stupid libtards think the sky is blue. Terrorist lovers!

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Timothy Watson  Sep 19, 2016 • 6:02:49am

re: #83 The Vicious Babushka

Trump is telling people “things have never been this bad” “our cities are a disaster” “nobody has a job anymore because Mexicans are swarming across the border and taken away all teh jerbs!!!” and the dumb rubes believe him.

TRUMP: The sky is red!
FOX: The sky is red!
CNN: Have you looked at the sky lately?
MSNBC: How do we know what color the sky is? An optical physicist explains.
NY TIMES: Sky color is in the eye of the beholder
LGF: It’s blue
TWITTER DEPLORABLES: Stupid libtards think the sky is blue. Terrorist lovers!

+10, reminded me of a shtick I do on occasion with family members:
Democrat: The sky is blue.
GOP: The sky is dog shit.
Media: The truth, of course, must be somewhere in the middle.

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dangerman  Sep 19, 2016 • 6:03:51am

re: #82 lawhawk

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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 19, 2016 • 6:05:44am

Interesting take on the 3% meme==>

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Sep 19, 2016 • 6:06:20am

re: #83 The Vicious Babushka

Trump is telling people “things have never been this bad” “our cities are a disaster” “nobody has a job anymore because Mexicans are swarming across the border and taken away all teh jerbs!!!” and the dumb rubes believe him.

TRUMP: The sky is red!
FOX: The sky is red!
CNN: Have you looked at the sky lately? Commentator Corey Lewandowski explains the Trump position..
MSNBC: How do we know what color the sky is? An optical physicist explains.
NY TIMES: Sky color is in the eye of the beholder
LGF: It’s blue
TWITTER DEPLORABLES: Stupid libtards think the sky is blue. Terrorist lovers!

Editorial discretion

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makeitstop  Sep 19, 2016 • 6:06:40am

re: #84 Timothy Watson

+10, reminded me of a shtick I do on occasion with family members:
Democrat: The sky is blue.
GOP: The sky is dog shit.
Media: The truth, of course, must be somewhere in the middle.

Earth, round? Opinions differ.

Driving back to NY today, getting ready to leave shortly. Loved Boston, but it’ll be nice to get back home and see my dopey dog.

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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 19, 2016 • 6:10:11am

Has SMOTI identified the suspected bomber as a DEMOCRAT VOTING HILLARY SUPPORTER!!!11!!!

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Dr. Matt  Sep 19, 2016 • 6:12:09am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 19, 2016 • 6:12:56am

re: #68 Le Lapin Tueur

It’s beyond talking out of his ass, it’s babbling nonsensical stupidity. Seriously, who can listen to this orange yam talk and not think, holy shit, that’s a great plan, let’s go?

He knows that a lot of viewers are fully media ADD and will have forgotten about this by the time he utters the Next Outrageous Thing

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Belafon  Sep 19, 2016 • 6:14:13am
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Decatur Deb  Sep 19, 2016 • 6:14:18am

re: #86 The Vicious Babushka

Interesting take on the 3% meme==>

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I have more than my share. If Trump is elected I will probably reduce the number and increase the lethality.

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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 19, 2016 • 6:17:40am

Sounding more and more like you-know-who every day.

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dangerman  Sep 19, 2016 • 6:17:47am

re: #87 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

so far he’s got cnn and breitbart
i wonder who’s next

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dangerman  Sep 19, 2016 • 6:18:58am

re: #68 Le Lapin Tueur

It’s beyond talking out of his ass, it’s babbling nonsensical stupidity. Seriously, who can listen to this orange yam talk and not think, holy shit, that’s a great plan, let’s go?

42% or so

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Teukka  Sep 19, 2016 • 6:20:43am

re: #95 The Vicious Babushka

Sounding more and more like you-know-who every day.

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That Schicklgrubl POS?

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 19, 2016 • 6:28:21am

So we have the perfect Red Meat for the next Trump speech: Obama and Hillary brought this fellow here in order to undermine our society.

No point in arguing it, this assertion will be discussed on the mainstream media as if it had any merit or reason to be spread.

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lawhawk  Sep 19, 2016 • 6:29:16am
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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 19, 2016 • 6:29:31am

And yet there are Juice who are voting for Trump because something something JARED & IVANKA!!!!111!!

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lawhawk  Sep 19, 2016 • 6:32:27am

Trump seems to think that the NYPD is “timid” (his choice of words) in going after terrorists. He thinks that they know who the terrorists are, but aren’t going after them.

That’s verging on conspiracy theory territory once again.

Not particularly surprising. The NYPD is anything but timid. In fact, they’ve often been accused of being overly aggressive. And if they know of these potential terrorists, it’s to see who else they lead to, so there’s a delicate dance between acting too soon and letting other involved persons escape, or acting too late after an attack occurs.

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Kryptik: Just Done With It.  Sep 19, 2016 • 6:34:04am

Why do I have this sinking feeling that this incident alone is just going to make Trump’s numbers jump by 5 points at minimum?

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Teukka  Sep 19, 2016 • 6:35:21am

So, I’m mildly amusedly observing wingnuts in the ritual repetition of the smalller government and government shouldn’t spend more than it gets in revenue mantras again.

Who do they think they’re kidding?

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Belafon  Sep 19, 2016 • 6:37:43am

re: #103 Kryptik: Just Done With It.

Why do I have this sinking feeling that this incident alone is just going to make Trump’s numbers jump by 5 points at minimum?

Because you like to entertain thoughts that make you depressed?

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 19, 2016 • 6:38:07am

re: #103 Kryptik: Just Done With It.

Why do I have this sinking feeling that this incident alone is just going to make Trump’s numbers jump by 5 points at minimum?

Because it is just the emotionally-charged fuel needed to turn a media outrage into a raging conflagration.

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Jenner7  Sep 19, 2016 • 6:38:31am

I see Donald Trump taking credit for the attacks again, because he’s like a newscaster, or something.

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Belafon  Sep 19, 2016 • 6:39:06am

Once again, Benghazi was suppose to help Romney.

For all that’s going on, this election will come down to GOTV.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 19, 2016 • 6:39:11am

re: #104 Teukka

So, I’m mildly amusedly observing wingnuts in the ritual repetition of the smalller government and government shouldn’t spend more than it gets in revenue mantras again.

Who do they think they’re kidding?

Heck, I recall back when Clinton was running a surplus and Rush Limbaugh maintained that it was immoral for the government to take more money from us than it needed to operate.

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Sir John Barron  Sep 19, 2016 • 6:39:29am

re: #42 The Vicious Babushka

This is the Stupidest Tweet about the NYC Chelsea bombing that you will see all day==>

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The Hurr hurr terror attack happened in GUN FREE ZONE!!! is always the Stupidest Tweet ever.

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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 19, 2016 • 6:40:20am

re: #107 Jenner7

I see Donald Trump taking credit for the attacks again, because he’s like a newscaster clairvoyant, or something.

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Sir John Barron  Sep 19, 2016 • 6:41:17am

re: #107 Jenner7

I see Donald Trump taking credit for the attacks again, because he’s like a newscaster, or something.

I think we could learn that Trump’s minions were behind the attack and the media would be: Trump is making a very serious effort to win the presidency.

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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 19, 2016 • 6:41:37am

re: #110 Sir John Barron

The Hurr hurr terror attack happened in GUN FREE ZONE!!! is always the Stupidest Tweet ever.

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Sherlock Hound  Sep 19, 2016 • 6:41:40am

re: #30 Emptor scriptor Remorse

But Violet gives willingly

Get Some Now

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Belafon  Sep 19, 2016 • 6:43:03am

re: #113 The Vicious Babushka

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Dallas. Enough said.

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ObserverArt  Sep 19, 2016 • 6:43:37am

re: #58 The Vicious Babushka

That was Stupid.

Yes it was. But here we are in this very stupid election of 2016.

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lawhawk  Sep 19, 2016 • 6:45:40am

re: #111 The Vicious Babushka

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lawhawk  Sep 19, 2016 • 6:45:56am
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Skip Intro  Sep 19, 2016 • 6:45:57am

re: #65 HappyWarrior

I mean I’m sorry but Clinton’s problems pale with Trump. She’s not perfect but she’s intelligent and has capable advisers. Trump meanwhile is ignorant and despises the very idea of advisers.

The problem with that is nobody cares. Hillary has been demonized by the right for 25 years and it’s stuck. She has well thought out positions on 38 issues from the drought in the western states to Altzheimer’s disease.

Nobody cares about those either.

Trump has no positions on anything, just says “believe me”. And a growing number of people do.

Sad to say, this is now Trump’s election to lose.

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ObserverArt  Sep 19, 2016 • 6:46:24am

re: #66 HappyWarrior

Trump just orgasmed himself.

I can see ISIS hoping very much to get Trump elected. If it should happen, they won’t need to do anything more in America. Trump will take it from there.

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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 19, 2016 • 6:46:32am

Et tu NY Times?

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Sherlock Hound  Sep 19, 2016 • 6:48:05am

re: #113 The Vicious Babushka

Because we know how to recognize an IED—and shoot it!

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Belafon  Sep 19, 2016 • 6:48:16am

re: #119 Skip Intro

Sad to say, this is now Trump’s election to lose.

Nope. Only ours.

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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 19, 2016 • 6:48:51am
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Timothy Watson  Sep 19, 2016 • 6:49:23am

re: #102 lawhawk

Trump seems to think that the NYPD is “timid” (his choice of words) in going after terrorists. He thinks that they know who the terrorists are, but aren’t going after them.

That’s verging on conspiracy theory territory once again.

Not particularly surprising. The NYPD is anything but timid. In fact, they’ve often been accused of being overly aggressive. And if they know of these potential terrorists, it’s to see who else they lead to, so there’s a delicate dance between acting too soon and letting other involved persons escape, or acting too late after an attack occurs.

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The same NYPD that ran illegal surveillance programs at mosques?

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Sir John Barron  Sep 19, 2016 • 6:50:25am

re: #121 The Vicious Babushka

Et tu NY Times?

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flipping all the desks

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Skip Intro  Sep 19, 2016 • 6:50:41am

re: #103 Kryptik: Just Done With It.

Why do I have this sinking feeling that this incident alone is just going to make Trump’s numbers jump by 5 points at minimum?

Because it will. Trump wins no matter what he says or does. When he’s wrong the media forgets all about it; when he’s right they promote it for days or weeks.

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Belafon  Sep 19, 2016 • 6:51:02am

We have to keep this election in perspective (h/t Daily Kos):

…we have now come to the Great Tightening, that point of every recent presidential election cycle when the candidates see their numbers in national and swing-state polls inch closer to each other. Predictably, this is being followed by the Great Freakout, when supporters of the leading candidate set their hair on fire and run through the public square screaming for water.

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Teukka  Sep 19, 2016 • 6:51:21am

re: #126 Sir John Barron

flipping all the desks

*hands over napalm, orders some more*

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Franklin  Sep 19, 2016 • 6:52:07am

Spent the weekend in Oxford Mississippi. Went for the Ole Miss vs Alabama sportsball game. Beautiful campus and met a ton of great people.

Overheard several blatantly racist conversations but had to keep reminding myself that depending where I am hanging out in my own town in the Northeast I would hear the same conversations.

Saw plenty of Trump campaign signs on tents in the Grove (where we tailgate). Not one Clinton sign but that is what I expected.

Heard lots of conversations about the confederate flag and playing Dixie.

I had a blast, 10/10 would visit again.

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dangerman  Sep 19, 2016 • 6:53:22am

re: #109 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Heck, I recall back when Clinton was running a surplus and Rush Limbaugh maintained that it was immoral for the government to take more money from us than it needed to operate.

even if that were the case, do they thing government should not project and save for future planned and unplanned needs?

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Sir John Barron  Sep 19, 2016 • 6:54:50am

re: #130 Franklin

There was some very good sportsballing there at the beginning and at the end.

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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 19, 2016 • 6:55:01am

re: #126 Sir John Barron

flipping all the desks

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Emptor scriptor Remorse  Sep 19, 2016 • 6:55:47am

The Art market has tanked, maybe the should have bought some Garfunkel.

Prices for works by young artists such as Scott-Douglas and Lucien Smith soared with the auction market in 2014, sometimes reaching hundreds of thousands of dollars, when they were traded like bull-market tech stocks. But since auction sales began to drop in late 2015, the emerging names have been hit especially hard. Sales by some artists are down 90 percent or more as the glut of work and nosebleed prices scare away buyers.

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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 19, 2016 • 6:58:30am

You know damn welll SMOTI, they totally took a part in the decades long witch hunt against Hillary because she said she didn’t like to “bake cookies”

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Decatur Deb  Sep 19, 2016 • 6:58:35am

re: #134 Emptor scriptor Remorse

The Art market has tanked, maybe the should have bought some Garfunkel.

On the other hand, you can still get good prices for your Beanie Babies at our local flea market.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Sep 19, 2016 • 6:58:52am

re: #134 Emptor scriptor Remorse

The Art market has tanked, maybe the should have bought some Garfunkel.

OTOH, buying when prices are low is often a good idea. Also, I’d argue that a lot of contemporary artworks were overpriced, kinda like 17th century tulips bulbs.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 19, 2016 • 6:58:53am

re: #119 Skip Intro

The problem with that is nobody cares. Hillary has been demonized by the right for 25 years and it’s stuck. She has well thought out positions on 38 issues from the drought in the western states to Altzheimer’s disease.

Nobody cares about those either.

Trump’s has no positions on anything, just says “believe me”. And a growing number of people do.

Sad to say, this is now Trump’s election to lose.

Right. I’m very worried about the polls I’ve seen lately. Hopefully she does well at the debates and Trump reminds people of what a clisterfuck he is.

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Emptor scriptor Remorse  Sep 19, 2016 • 6:59:36am

Has Hillary healed up enough from pneumonia to hit the ground running? Clock is ticking here.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 19, 2016 • 6:59:41am

re: #135 The Vicious Babushka

You know damn welll SMOTI, they totally took a part in the decades long witch hunt against Hillary because she said she didn’t like to “bake cookies”

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Because it’s true Jim. Fox spreads lies and is basically the media arm of the GOP.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Sep 19, 2016 • 7:00:47am

re: #139 Emptor scriptor Remorse

Has Hillary healed up enough from pneumonia to hit the ground running? Clock is ticking here.

She’s on the road again, I believe.

maybe not singing about it, though.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 19, 2016 • 7:01:24am

I mean I can get not everyone being enthralled with Clinton but Trump? Fucking Trump. Really America. We’re better than that and we know it.

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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 19, 2016 • 7:01:30am

re: #139 Emptor scriptor Remorse

Has Hillary healed up enough from pneumonia to hit the ground running? Clock is ticking here.

She gave a kickass speech in NC last week.

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Decatur Deb  Sep 19, 2016 • 7:02:00am

re: #142 HappyWarrior

I mean I can get not everyone being enthralled with Clinton but Trump? Fucking Trump. Really America. We’re better than that and we know it.

Perhaps.

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Tigger2  Sep 19, 2016 • 7:03:47am
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Weaselone  Sep 19, 2016 • 7:04:21am

re: #142 HappyWarrior

I mean I can get not everyone being enthralled with Clinton but Trump? Fucking Trump. Really America. We’re better than that and we know it.

The USA, maybe. White Americans as a whole not so much. White males like myself, almost certainly not.

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ObserverArt  Sep 19, 2016 • 7:06:04am

re: #121 The Vicious Babushka

Et tu NY Times?

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This is a perfect example of having to sell papers and hits on a web site.

To me it is nothing more. They have a topic they know will move readers even if the readers are ignorant and the NYTimes knows it is flimsy story at best. And they seem willing to take the risk of helping elect Trump.

Run it because it sells, we are in no position to take a higher road because we may be out of business otherwise.

What else can be the explanation?

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Sir John Barron  Sep 19, 2016 • 7:07:43am

re: #128 Belafon

We have to keep this election in perspective (h/t Daily Kos):

I agree with about 99.2813% of this.

The first debate in particular should generate some separation.

And I continue to reflect back on the 2012 numbers someone posted here about how well Romney was supposedly doing in the battleground states. Unless the voting restrictions some states have put in—and many of which have been prevented by the courts—severely dampens the vote, minority turnout should give Hillary a boost on election day. But that were even at this point is alarming.

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lawhawk  Sep 19, 2016 • 7:08:06am

So, the Tax Foundation tries to score Trump’s tax plan. It goes predictably as one would expect. Trump adds trillions in debt, without growing the economy as he claims it would. It’s not revenue neutral, and there’s no way to get there without substantial cuts to core government services.

In other words, it’s the standard issue GOP tax policy.

The difference here is that his current tax “plan” is about half the size of his original giveaway to the rich. He’s still giving the majority of all tax cuts to the 1%, but they’re not seeing the same size tax cut as before. And the result of those massive tax cuts is adding anywhere from $3 to $6 trillion in debt over 10 years using static scoring (less using dynamic scoring, but still significant given the $1 to $2.6T in debt added).

Meanwhile, Clinton’s tax plan would essentially create a new tax bracket for the wealthiest Americans as a surtax - while everyone else sees no significant changes on the brackets. There’s some adjustments to various deductions and addbacks, but the Foundation has found that Clinton’s plan would reduce the debt over the 10 year period.

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Tigger2  Sep 19, 2016 • 7:08:48am

Have been seeing several tweets by different Unions like this one on my feed.

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ObserverArt  Sep 19, 2016 • 7:09:19am

re: #128 Belafon

We have to keep this election in perspective (h/t Daily Kos):

Sadly predictable.

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Sir John Barron  Sep 19, 2016 • 7:09:32am

re: #135 The Vicious Babushka

You know damn welll SMOTI, they totally took a part in the decades long witch hunt against Hillary because she said she didn’t like to “bake cookies”

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OK, Jim, thank you very much for sharing.

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dangerman  Sep 19, 2016 • 7:09:55am

re: #45 The Vicious Babushka

trump wants to knock the hell out of them over there

re: #1 FormerDirtDart

pence holds cheney in high regard

isnt this clear to everyone? we did this once already
why arent alarm bells ringing everywhere?

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Sir John Barron  Sep 19, 2016 • 7:10:03am

re: #150 Tigger2

Things getting a lot better for the working poor: “In the last year, we’ve seen steady job growth” @washingtonpost washingtonpost.com
— UFCW

No, everything’s terrible. Trump alone will fix.

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Sir John Barron  Sep 19, 2016 • 7:10:56am

re: #45 The Vicious Babushka

Trump announces on Fox & Friends, his detailed plan for destroying ISIS in the first hour of his first day as President

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This is a great plan. The best plan.

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Skip Intro  Sep 19, 2016 • 7:11:48am

Clinton’s lagging Hispanic support stokes concerns

WTF is going on here.

Washington Post story today.

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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 19, 2016 • 7:11:56am

Why stop with Gary Johnson? Why not fill up the debate stage with all the 3rd party marginals like Jill Stein, Roque De La Fuente and whoever the hell Socialist Workers nominated.

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dangerman  Sep 19, 2016 • 7:12:16am

re: #149 lawhawk

if trump wins “deficits dont matter”
if clinton wins ‘hair on fire negative deficits!!!!!”

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Timothy Watson  Sep 19, 2016 • 7:12:46am

re: #157 The Vicious Babushka

Why stop with Gary Johnson? Why not fill up the debate stage with all the 3rd party marginals like Jill Stein, Roque De La Fuente and whoever the hell Socialist Workers nominated.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 19, 2016 • 7:13:02am

re: #146 Weaselone

The USA, maybe. White Americans as a whole not so much. White males like myself, almost certainly not.

I hate saying it but our demographic (white males) hinder a lot of progress we could make if our demographic wasn’t so pigheaded.

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Tigger2  Sep 19, 2016 • 7:13:45am
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HappyWarrior  Sep 19, 2016 • 7:15:57am

Really getting pissed at the Berniebros using this to go “we should have nominated Bernie.” Right because Bernie who couldn’t beat Clinton in the primary would be beating Trump and have zero health concerns. They remind me of the German communists who called the Social Democrats, social fascists and enabled Hitler’s rise.

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ObserverArt  Sep 19, 2016 • 7:16:12am

re: #144 Decatur Deb

Perhaps.

That’s my take. I am not about to give a lot of credit to a lot of Americans.

I’ve said it before…our system is truly Democratic and representative. We may get what represents our country. As scary as it is.

Okay…now that I have completely bummed myself out for the morning, time to get rolling on the ol’ graphics work and go into lurk mode.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 19, 2016 • 7:18:18am

re: #148 Sir John Barron

I agree with about 99.2813% of this.

The first debate in particular should generate some separation.

And I continue to reflect back on the 2012 numbers someone posted here about how well Romney was supposedly doing in the battleground states. Unless the voting restrictions some states have put in—and many of which have been prevented by the courts—severely dampens the vote, minority turnout should give Hillary a boost on election day. But that were even at this point is alarming.

Hope you’re right.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 19, 2016 • 7:19:17am

re: #163 ObserverArt

That’s my take. I am not about to give a lot of credit to a lot of Americans.

I’ve said it before…our system is truly Democratic and representative. We may get what represents our country. As scary as it is.

Okay…now that I have completely bummed myself out for the morning, time to get rolling on the ol’ graphics work and go into lurk mode.

We truly do have a lot of scary mindsets in this country that are emboldened like never before.

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Sir John Barron  Sep 19, 2016 • 7:19:33am

re: #164 HappyWarrior

Well I was in denial about Trump getting the GOP nom, so that’s about how much my take is worth.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 19, 2016 • 7:20:58am

re: #166 Sir John Barron

Well I was in denial about Trump getting the GOP nom, so that’s about how much my take is worth.

I’m still amazed he’s the nominee and the first day of fall is in two days.

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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 19, 2016 • 7:21:29am

Why did NY Times select a photo that makes it look like a bomb explosion is coming out of Trump’s mouth?

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HappyWarrior  Sep 19, 2016 • 7:22:00am

To be honest, even if she wins, it’s still going to be too damn close. It should be a landslide and complete repudiation of the alt right wing view,

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Emptor scriptor Remorse  Sep 19, 2016 • 7:22:29am

re: #164 HappyWarrior

I heard opined that Romney lost because Republicans stayed home. He lost because he is a loser!

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Tigger2  Sep 19, 2016 • 7:24:25am
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HappyWarrior  Sep 19, 2016 • 7:24:46am

re: #170 Emptor scriptor Remorse

I heard opined that Romney lost because Republicans stayed home. He lost because he is a loser!

In any case, we see that the Republican base is genuinely excited by a fascist piece of shit.

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Teukka  Sep 19, 2016 • 7:26:06am

re: #171 Tigger2

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HappyWarrior  Sep 19, 2016 • 7:27:56am

The right has never cared about free markets or honestly even a strong armed forces. Their actions this election show me they care about one thing and that’s scapegoating the “other” whether they’re gay, Muslim, Hispanic, or just different than what they consider acceptable.

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Teukka  Sep 19, 2016 • 7:30:06am

re: #171 Tigger2

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re: #173 Teukka

o7

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lawhawk  Sep 19, 2016 • 7:30:45am

Most in the NYC metro area have been living with the threat of being a target for terrorists claiming to do so as part of jihad for more than 20 years. From 1993 to the present, there have been numerous attacks and attempted attacks against the WTC, Port Authority properties, and lone wolf attacks. NYC takes these in stride at this point. Vigilance and a wary eye for things out of the ordinary, but going on with the daily routine.

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Weaselone  Sep 19, 2016 • 7:31:12am

re: #149 lawhawk

Sort of hesitant to use that given their unrealistic assessment of the GDP boost caused by Trump’s plan. They admit that the impacts of Trump’s plan are
1. Massive cuts to nonmilitary spending (the exact programs that have fiscal multipliers greater than 1)
2. The cuts go overwhelmingly to the top 1% (Fiscal Multiplier much less than 1)
3. And that even given their rosy GDP projections, it adds a massive amount to the deficit

Trump’s plan is essentially cutting essential programs and using debt to finance tax cuts. It’s a fucking joke to pretend that’s going to boost the economy long term.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 19, 2016 • 7:33:03am

re: #176 lawhawk

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Most in the NYC metro area have been living with the threat of being a target for terrorists claiming to do so as part of jihad for more than 20 years. From 1993 to the present, there have been numerous attacks and attempted attacks against the WTC, Port Authority properties, and lone wolf attacks. NYC takes these in stride at this point. Vigilance and a wary eye for things out of the ordinary, but going on with the daily routine.

And yet right wing assholes who live in areas never targeted by terrorist activity call them sissies since they don’t have a phallic obsession with guns.

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Decatur Deb  Sep 19, 2016 • 7:33:04am

re: #176 lawhawk

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Most in the NYC metro area have been living with the threat of being a target for terrorists claiming to do so as part of jihad for more than 20 years. From 1993 to the present, there have been numerous attacks and attempted attacks against the WTC, Port Authority properties, and lone wolf attacks. NYC takes these in stride at this point. Vigilance and a wary eye for things out of the ordinary, but going on with the daily routine.

There probably is something that would truly terrify New Yorkers. It will arrive via trans-light troopship.

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lawhawk  Sep 19, 2016 • 7:35:35am

re: #177 Weaselone

The Tax Foundation’s assessment is one that gives him the most benefit of doubt, and gives the most favorable assumptions, and it’s still a shitshow of epic proportions re: tax policy and fiscal responsibility.

Trump can’t exactly tout their analysis (I’m sure if he had competent advisers, they’d try to use them since the Foundation is among the more respected outfits on tax policy, even if they’re a conservative policy shop). The scoring shows just how badly this screws anyone but the 1%. Even in the most favorable analysis, it is a massive giveaway to the rich, while everyone else suffers for it.

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Timothy Watson  Sep 19, 2016 • 7:36:48am

re: #180 lawhawk

The Tax Foundation’s assessment is one that gives him the most benefit of doubt, and gives the most favorable assumptions, and it’s still a shitshow of epic proportions re: tax policy and fiscal responsibility.

Trump can’t exactly tout their analysis (I’m sure if he had competent advisers, they’d try to use them since the Foundation is among the more respected outfits on tax policy, even if they’re a conservative policy shop). The scoring shows just how badly this screws anyone but the 1%. Even in the most favorable analysis, it is a massive giveaway to the rich, while everyone else suffers for it.

He has been citing them in one of his television ads.

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Weaselone  Sep 19, 2016 • 7:36:55am

re: #178 HappyWarrior

In this country the rate of terrorist induced bedwetting is inversely proportional to one’s odds of actually being the target of a terrorist attack.

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Decatur Deb  Sep 19, 2016 • 7:39:02am

re: #182 Weaselone

In this country the rate of terrorist induced bedwetting is inversely proportional to one’s odds of actually being the target of a terrorist attack.

Wife’s RC church in this Lower Alabama town has established a volunteer security force in the nave, during Mass. They refuse to say if they are armed. (In their defense, they are more concerned with local nutcases than the killing of the French priest.)

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Anymouse  Sep 19, 2016 • 7:41:02am

re: #174 HappyWarrior

The right has never cared about free markets or honestly even a strong armed forces. Their actions this election show me they care about one thing and that’s scapegoating the “other” whether they’re gay, Muslim, Hispanic, or just different than what they consider acceptable.

That was my observation the entire time I was in the US Navy (adding they don’t give a damn about active duty, reservists, veterans, or retirees as well).

Presidents who did not take me into combat or logistics in support of combat: Bill Clinton, Jimmy Carter.

Presidents who did? Ronald Reagan, GHW Bush. (I was out of the service before the whole “let’s invade the wrong country thing” under GW Bush.)

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Dr. Matt  Sep 19, 2016 • 7:42:45am

re: #182 Weaselone

In this country the rate of terrorist induced bedwetting is inversely proportional to one’s odds of actually being the target of a terrorist attack.

In this country you have higher probability of getting shot by a child than getting injured by a terrorist.

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Decatur Deb  Sep 19, 2016 • 7:42:48am

re: #183 Decatur Deb

Wife’s RC church in this Lower Alabama town has established a volunteer security force in the nave, during Mass. They refuse to say if they are armed. (In their defense, they are more concerned with local nutcases than the killing of the French priest.)

Note edit for accuracy.

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Belafon  Sep 19, 2016 • 7:43:22am

re: #169 HappyWarrior

To be honest, even if she wins, it’s still going to be too damn close. It should be a landslide and complete repudiation of the alt right wing view,

Don’t bother thinking this way. It will never be a blowout, so don’t, even in your mind, make her win into anything other than the election of the better candidate and the historic election of the first woman as president. Not to sound all Yoda, but that way of thinking lies anger and disappointment.

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Dr. Matt  Sep 19, 2016 • 7:45:02am

I haven’t been on my desktop for the last few days. Does anyone else’s Chrome look different? Was there an update?

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Tigger2  Sep 19, 2016 • 7:46:13am

re: #169 HappyWarrior

To be honest, even if she wins, it’s still going to be too damn close. It should be a landslide and complete repudiation of the alt right wing view,

I think the country is to polarized for there to be a blowout by anyone in the next few elections.

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Dr Lizardo  Sep 19, 2016 • 7:47:06am

re: #182 Weaselone

In this country the rate of terrorist induced bedwetting is inversely proportional to one’s odds of actually being the target of a terrorist attack.

Same here. People in Ostrava concerned about a terrorist attack here at a shopping center or something. In Ostrava. Hell, $5 will get you $10 your average jihadist numbnuts wouldn’t even know where it is.

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Timothy Watson  Sep 19, 2016 • 7:47:16am

re: #188 Dr. Matt

I haven’t been on my desktop for the last few days. Does anyone else’s Chrome look different? Was there an update?

Yeah, to version 53. Made the text on LGF on my PC look a lot bigger for some reason.

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Sir John Barron  Sep 19, 2016 • 7:52:08am

re: #189 Tigger2

I think the country is to polarized for there to be a blowout by anyone in the next few elections.

Yeah we’re a long way from a 1964 landslide-like election for Democrats for the foreseeable future.

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Dr. Matt  Sep 19, 2016 • 7:52:50am

re: #191 Timothy Watson

Yeah, to version 53. Made the text on LGF on my PC look a lot bigger for some reason.

Thanks. If you didn’t know already, you need to re-activate the spell check:

Enable Chrome’s Native Spell-Checker. To enable or disable spell-checking, click the Chrome menu button in the top right on the browser toolbar. Select Settings and at the bottom click Show advanced settings. Scroll down to Languages and click the Language and input settings… button.

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Anymouse  Sep 19, 2016 • 7:52:53am

re: #190 Dr Lizardo

Same here. People in Ostrava concerned about a terrorist attack here at a shopping center or something. In Ostrava. Hell, $5 will get you $10 your average jihadist numbnuts wouldn’t even know where it is.

People here concerned about terrorist attacks in my little high plains village. The one in a county where we have had one murder since 1936 (earlier this year, drug-smuggling related by a county resident).

Auto deaths? Piffle. Hunting accidents year in and out? Not relevant. Lightning strikes? What you going to do?

You’re about as likely to be killed by a shark in the Sandhills as you are a terrorist.

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Le Lapin Tueur  Sep 19, 2016 • 7:53:19am

re: #102 lawhawk

Trump seems to think that the NYPD is “timid” (his choice of words) in going after terrorists. He thinks that they know who the terrorists are, but aren’t going after them.

That’s verging on conspiracy theory territory once again.

It’s also an accusation of negligence and effectively supporting terrorism. He is really quite the disgusting yam.

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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 19, 2016 • 7:54:29am

WTFITS
So he’s going around “meeting world leaders” like he’s already POTUS?

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Decatur Deb  Sep 19, 2016 • 7:56:12am

re: #196 The Vicious Babushka

WTFITS
So he’s going around “meeting world leaders” like he’s already POTUS?

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He was trying to sell them a hotel, or a steak.

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Belafon  Sep 19, 2016 • 7:57:08am

re: #196 The Vicious Babushka

WTFITS
So he’s going around “meeting world leaders” like he’s already POTUS?

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I suspect he’s counting his meetings to open a Trump Hotel as counting as meeting world leaders. He thinks his businessman dealings with those countries counts as foreign policy experience.

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Anymouse  Sep 19, 2016 • 7:57:58am

re: #192 Sir John Barron

Yeah we’re a long way from a 1964 landslide-like election for Democrats for the foreseeable future.

I don’t get it either. George Wallace was all-in for maintaining segregation and Jim Crow laws, but wasn’t also interested in stripping rights like a free press and speech. But his segregationist positions (and Barry Goldwater’s pro-war rhetoric) were enough to annihilate them in that election.

Now its all that plus banning abortion and contraception (Goldwater’s wife was on the board of Planned Parenthood in Phoenix), banning religions and inserting one narrow view of Christianity into public schools (and privatising the same), annihilating the very same, privatise the VA. All those things are how a fair portion of Mr. Trump’s supporters got where they are.

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lawhawk  Sep 19, 2016 • 7:58:48am
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William Lewis  Sep 19, 2016 • 7:59:33am

Well this is my day for the world to say FU to me.

Woke up at 3:00 with the classic boiling then freezing fever. Add massive coughing. Toddle into the ER & the x-ray says Pneumonia. Thrill. Out of work for a week (which means Oct rent is screwed up) and I don’t have the $30 for the anti-biotics. Waiting to hear back from our Deacon on that. I should probably eat some breakfast but I can’t think of anything that sounds decent as it rains outside.

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Anymouse  Sep 19, 2016 • 7:59:37am

re: #200 lawhawk

Look at that Social Security Trust Fund sitting around unguarded. - banks

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lawhawk  Sep 19, 2016 • 7:59:53am

Trump again searches through millions of tweets, and finds a racist egg to quote-tweet:

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ObserverArt  Sep 19, 2016 • 8:01:20am

re: #188 Dr. Matt

I haven’t been on my desktop for the last few days. Does anyone else’s Chrome look different? Was there an update?

Yep. They snuck one in on us. I could tell by the three dots replacing the three bars for the menu and the arrows and reload circular arrow are all lighter in weight.

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lawhawk  Sep 19, 2016 • 8:03:37am

Media: Why can’t the candidates talk policy.
Clinton: I’m meeting with foreign diplomats and national leaders to discuss national security and foreign policy.
Trump: I called the bombing before it was a bombing. I’m prescient.
Media: Clinton ignores bombings while Trump talks tough.

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Timothy Watson  Sep 19, 2016 • 8:04:07am

re: #204 ObserverArt

Yep. They snuck one in on us. I could tell by the three dots replacing the three bars for the menu and the arrows and reload circular arrow are all lighter in weight.

Changed the color of the tab area too, but you can change that back in chrome://flags (“Material Design in the browser’s top chrome”).

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Sir John Barron  Sep 19, 2016 • 8:05:08am

re: #203 lawhawk

Trump again searches through millions of tweets, and finds a racist egg to quote-tweet:

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[Media]Trump gives so much attention to the regular folks, real Americans.[/Media]

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ObserverArt  Sep 19, 2016 • 8:05:44am

re: #201 William Lewis

Well this is my day for the world to say FU to me.

Woke up at 3:00 with the classic boiling then freezing fever. Add massive coughing. Toddle into the ER & the x-ray says Pneumonia. Thrill. Out of work for a week (which means Oct rent is screwed up) and I don’t have the $30 for the anti-biotics. Waiting to hear back from our Deacon on that. I should probably eat some breakfast but I can’t think of anything that sounds decent as it rains outside.

Well, that sucks. Take care!

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Anymouse  Sep 19, 2016 • 8:07:02am

Steven Rosenfield of Alternet gives his opinion on eleven ways he thinks a Trump presidency would be a disaster.

alternet.org

Problem is, Trump supporters don’t likely read Alternet (except to troll certain articles in the Disqus comment section).

The so-called mainstream media, such as television networks and major newspapers, are the ones positioned to call these things out, but don’t. I suspect a subscriber to the New York Times is not going to unsubscribe because he is told the truth about a subject.

Without the mainstream media reporting facts, we have right-wing sites that cater to the right wing, and left-wing sites that do the same for the left, but no one in the middle weighing the arguments and showing which ones are lacking.

The media turning into stenographers and opting out of the need to inform the public seems to be the issue. The media doesn’t even seem to care that one candidate wants to restrict the I Amendment in relation to the press.

Business is good this quarter, we’ll worry about next quarter in the next quarter. - newspapers and television

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 19, 2016 • 8:09:57am

re: #209 Anymouse

The media turning into stenographers and opting out of the need to inform the public seems to be the issue. The media doesn’t even seem to care that one candidate wants to restrict the I Amendment in relation to the press.

Because I think a lot of those people would not care as long as those restrictions did not cut into their bottom line

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Sir John Barron  Sep 19, 2016 • 8:10:34am

re: #201 William Lewis

Ewwww, really sorry to hear this. Hope you get the medical help and other support you need.

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Belafon  Sep 19, 2016 • 8:10:52am

re: #209 Anymouse

Then it turns to us to get the information out. That alternet article might be good page here.

I spent yesterday telling a friend of mine why Hillary should be elected president. Not only why Trump shouldn’t, but why she should. I also told her I would be making sure she and her family were going to be voting on election day.

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Eventual Carrion  Sep 19, 2016 • 8:11:14am

re: #198 Belafon

I suspect he’s counting his meetings to open a Trump Hotel as counting as meeting world leaders. He thinks his businessman dealings with those countries counts as foreign policy experience.

Because that is how he would conduct foreign policy.

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CuriousLurker  Sep 19, 2016 • 8:11:18am

re: #182 Weaselone

In this country the rate of terrorist induced bedwetting is inversely proportional to one’s odds of actually being the target of a terrorist attack.

THIS. From the wee hours of the morning:

It’s been a non-stop media circus since this started. I’ve been watching the increasingly hysterical clickbait headlines. Now it’ll be dialed up past eleven, if that’s even possible. If there are more young guys out there looking to get attention, the coverage will only encourage them. I’m sure any terrorist group would be ecstatic to know they can generate this sort of attention. When are we going to learn?

I’m out for now, obviously not in the mood for chit-chat or speculation.

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Belafon  Sep 19, 2016 • 8:12:34am

re: #214 CuriousLurker

You should change that to “Woman the hell up, America, like the one serious candidate.”

This white man would enjoy that.

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lawhawk  Sep 19, 2016 • 8:13:54am

Trump makes IMAX projection look like kid’s play. Everything he claims Clinton to be doing is something Trump has actually said or done.

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Stanley Sea  Sep 19, 2016 • 8:14:39am

re: #196 The Vicious Babushka

WTFITS
So he’s going around “meeting world leaders” like he’s already POTUS?

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Sir John Barron  Sep 19, 2016 • 8:14:39am

re: #216 lawhawk

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Trump makes IMAX projection look like kid’s play. Everything he claims Clinton to be doing is something Trump has actually said or done.

What is Zeke saying? Clinton called Trump treasonness?

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Jenner7  Sep 19, 2016 • 8:15:31am
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danarchy  Sep 19, 2016 • 8:16:58am

re: #218 Sir John Barron

What is Zeke saying? Clinton called Trump treasonness?

Looks like:

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 19, 2016 • 8:17:37am

re: #219 Jenner7

Ahmad Rahami in custody after shooting police officer in Linden, NJ, source says

So now we are going to find out that he was on a terrorist watch list, but the police could not act on it, but he was able to buy a gun.

or something.

Does not matter: he has the perfect profile for any handful of mud slung at him (and by extension Hillary) to stick.

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gwangung  Sep 19, 2016 • 8:19:19am

re: #220 danarchy

Looks like:

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Isn’t she just quoting what ISIS leaders are saying themselves?

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Jenner7  Sep 19, 2016 • 8:23:11am

One officer injured in shoot out between suspect and police: CNN

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CuriousLurker  Sep 19, 2016 • 8:23:32am

re: #222 gwangung

Isn’t she just quoting what ISIS leaders are saying themselves?

Yes.

The above goes to a Foreign Affairs article.
There was also this, from TIME: Why ISIS Supports Donald Trump

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Sir John Barron  Sep 19, 2016 • 8:24:27am

re: #216 lawhawk

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Trump makes IMAX projection look like kid’s play. Everything he claims Clinton to be doing is something Trump has actually said or done.

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Jenner7  Sep 19, 2016 • 8:24:43am
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Tigger2  Sep 19, 2016 • 8:25:12am
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blueraven  Sep 19, 2016 • 8:25:38am

re: #222 gwangung

Isn’t she just quoting what ISIS leaders are saying themselves?

Much worse than saying Obama/Clinton founders of ISIS. //

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Jenner7  Sep 19, 2016 • 8:25:43am

I don’t think this is the first time Hillary said that about Trump giving aid to ISIS. So…Zeke is just looking for a story.

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Stanley Sea  Sep 19, 2016 • 8:25:51am
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Sir John Barron  Sep 19, 2016 • 8:27:35am

re: #230 Stanley Sea

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Well, the thing that should really give people pause, or at least give the media pause, is Trump’s demonstrated vindictiveness on social media directed at people he doesn’t like, or worse, people who have disagreed with him or criticized him. What would a man that petty do with the full powers of the presidency in his hands?

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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 19, 2016 • 8:28:34am
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Stanley Sea  Sep 19, 2016 • 8:29:40am

Very good that he was taken alive.

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danarchy  Sep 19, 2016 • 8:30:15am

re: #230 Stanley Sea

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Isn’t that 3 words?

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CuriousLurker  Sep 19, 2016 • 8:31:41am

re: #232 The Vicious Babushka

Good, I’m glad they caught him alive—this guy obviously failed at becoming a martyr (or whatever the fuck he thought he was doing).

Maybe we can get some answers this time.

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Belafon  Sep 19, 2016 • 8:34:10am

re: #234 danarchy

Isn’t that 3 words?

Sometimes, I’ll be writing an explanation, and I’ll write “meets the following three conditions.” Then I list four. I’ll change it to “four”, and a little later come up with another condition, which I’ll add, and then change the lead in to say “meets the following conditions.”

Edit: And then I forgot to remove the counter in final quote.

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unproven innocence  Sep 19, 2016 • 8:34:49am

re: #230 Stanley Sea

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Math is hard.

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Dr Lizardo  Sep 19, 2016 • 8:35:27am

re: #235 CuriousLurker

Good, I’m glad they caught him alive—this guy obviously failed at being a martyr (or whatever the fuck he thought he was doing).

Maybe we can get some answers this time.

Yeah, all too often these clowns want to go out in a blaze of glory. Glad to see he was denied that. And as you said, maybe we can get some answers this time - it’s not that common that jihadists are captured alive.

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lawhawk  Sep 19, 2016 • 8:37:35am
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Timothy Watson  Sep 19, 2016 • 8:37:59am

re: #238 Dr Lizardo

Yeah, all too often these clowns want to go out in a blaze of glory. Glad to see he was denied that. And as you said, maybe we can get some answers this time - it’s not that common that jihadists are captured alive.

I am sure that the public safety exception to the Miranda Warning will be diligently used.

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Joe Bacon  Sep 19, 2016 • 8:38:09am

Coming up next—Alex Jones and his False Flag shtick…

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Belafon  Sep 19, 2016 • 8:39:26am

re: #240 Timothy Watson

I am sure that the public safety exception to the Miranda Warning will be diligently used.

The FBI will be involved since he’s a suspect in both NY and NJ explosions. Which means the Obama admin will be leading the questioning. I think it’ll be a bit more controlled.

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Sir John Barron  Sep 19, 2016 • 8:39:46am

re: #241 Joe Bacon

Coming up next—Alex Jones and his False Flag shtick…

Wouldn’t Alex Jones et al want this to be the real thing so we could build FEMA camps for the liberals?

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 19, 2016 • 8:40:30am

re: #236 Belafon

Sometimes, I’ll be writing an explanation, and I’ll write “meets the following three conditions.” Then I list four. I’ll change it to “four”, and a little later come up with another condition, which I’ll add, and then change the lead in to say “meets the following three conditions.”

That’s because your chief weapon is fear! Fear, and surprise…..

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 19, 2016 • 8:41:00am

re: #244 Blind Frog Belly White

That’s because your chief weapon is fear! Fear, and surprise…..

Among our weaponry are such elements as…

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lawhawk  Sep 19, 2016 • 8:41:16am
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Timothy Watson  Sep 19, 2016 • 8:41:21am

re: #242 Belafon

The FBI will be involved since he’s a suspect in both NY and NJ explosions. Which means the Obama admin will be leading the questioning. I think it’ll be a bit more controlled.

They’ll use the public safety exception too. Several of the terrorists captured overseas, with the intention to charge them in an American court, were interviewed by two different teams: One interviewed without giving the Miranda warning invoking the public safety exception, and one interviewed after giving the Miranda warning.

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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 19, 2016 • 8:41:40am

Read the whole Tweetstorm

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Stanley Sea  Sep 19, 2016 • 8:46:38am

re: #246 lawhawk

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“Who in this world finds a pressure cooker with a phone and just takes the bag?” a law enforcement source said.

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blueraven  Sep 19, 2016 • 8:47:35am

If this guy had accomplices, they are the gang that couldn’t shoot straight.

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Decatur Deb  Sep 19, 2016 • 8:47:39am

re: #246 lawhawk

New York’s suitcase bombs this weekend were partially foiled by a New York institution: luggage thieves.

Police-man won’t give Mr. Jihadi no break.

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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 19, 2016 • 8:48:32am

Baby Whiplash has a HOT TAKE!

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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 19, 2016 • 8:50:26am

Li’l Whiplash seems to think that Being A Muslim in and of itself is grounds for suspicion. You would think he would know better than that, but forget it Jack, it’s Li’l Whiplash.

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BeachDem  Sep 19, 2016 • 8:51:15am

re: #227 Tigger2

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And Kasich, as predicted, basically told Prebus to go fuck himself.
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RawStory went with the more graphic headline of:
Kasich issues f*ck you to GOP chair: Trump and Priebus responsible for ‘potential national wipeout’

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Decatur Deb  Sep 19, 2016 • 8:52:46am

re: #249 Stanley Sea

“Who in this world finds a pressure cooker with a phone and just takes the bag?” a law enforcement source said.

When I worked at 27th and 7th, that was the bottom of the Garment District. After dark it got kind of grim. They probably would have done the same with a suitcase of body parts.

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Sir John Barron  Sep 19, 2016 • 8:54:16am

re: #252 The Vicious Babushka

Baby Whiplash has a HOT TAKE!

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This made Baby Whiplash’s weekend.

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lawhawk  Sep 19, 2016 • 8:54:30am
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Sir John Barron  Sep 19, 2016 • 8:55:48am

I wonder who Trump thinks we should totally bomb now?

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 19, 2016 • 8:56:08am

re: #252 The Vicious Babushka

Baby Whiplash has a HOT TAKE!

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But wait - weren’t people’s lives saved by the fact that people saw something and said something?

But beyond that, if someone were doing something like cooking up explosives in his house/apartment, who would know? HOW would they know? He could bring in all the supplies he’d need for IEDs in normal looking boxes and bags. He’d probably only work on them with the blinds/curtains closed. You can transport them in backpack like EVERYBODY carries, and if you look at a lot of high school and college students’ packs, they’re stuffed pretty full!

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Decatur Deb  Sep 19, 2016 • 8:56:30am

re: #258 Sir John Barron

I wonder who Trump thinks we should totally bomb now?

Passaic.

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Belafon  Sep 19, 2016 • 8:56:33am

re: #253 The Vicious Babushka

Li’l Whiplash seems to think that Being A Muslim in and of itself is grounds for suspicion. You would think he would know better than that, but forget it Jack, it’s Li’l Whiplash.

There was this time, when Jews looked suspicious. It’s a shame Ben has no empathy whatsoever to be able to connect the two.

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Stanley Sea  Sep 19, 2016 • 8:57:30am
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darthstar  Sep 19, 2016 • 8:57:50am
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Tigger2  Sep 19, 2016 • 8:58:12am

re: #252 The Vicious Babushka

Baby Whiplash has a HOT TAKE!

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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 19, 2016 • 8:59:28am

re: #261 Belafon

There was this time, when Jews looked suspicious. It’s a shame Ben has no empathy whatsoever to be able to connect the two.

Baby Whiplash probably thinks “suspicious Jews” deserved it if they were “leftist” and therefore not even “real Jews”

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darthstar  Sep 19, 2016 • 9:01:22am
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darthstar  Sep 19, 2016 • 9:02:59am

Dude’s family makes shitty fried chicken and he sleeps in the doorways of bars?

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Sir John Barron  Sep 19, 2016 • 9:04:25am

re: #267 darthstar

Dude’s family makes shitty fried chicken and he sleeps in the doorways of bars?

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Oh, false flag, then. Obama and Hillary let the real bomber go.

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Decatur Deb  Sep 19, 2016 • 9:04:54am

re: #267 darthstar

Dude’s family makes shitty fried chicken and he sleeps in the doorways of bars?

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That’s one way to “blend in”.

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lawhawk  Sep 19, 2016 • 9:08:23am

The NYT reports that the the alleged bomber’s family had sued Elizabeth NJ over discrimination, claiming that they were harassed by the city over shutting their restaurant over noise complaints:

It was open 24 hours a day, but neighbors complained about rowdy crowds that would gather at the place, often after midnight.

Dean McDermott, who lives near the restaurant in Elizabeth, said he found patrons loitering in his yard and urinating in his driveway.

Responding to the complaints, the City Council passed an ordinance that would force the restaurant to close late at night, the mayor said.

“The City Council voted to shut it down at 10 p.m.,” he said. “They kept getting complaints from neighbors, it was a distress to people in the neighborhood.”

The Rahamis did not comply, according to neighbors.

On one occasion when the police came to force the restaurant to close, one of Mr. Rahami’s older brothers got in a fight with a police officer and was arrested. Before the case could be resolved, Mr. McDermott said, the son fled to his home country, Afghanistan.

The mayor confirmed that the Rahami family sued the mayor, the City Council, some 20 police officers, claiming that he had been discriminated against because of his race and ethnicity.

“It was neighbor complaints, it had nothing to do with his ethnicity or religion,” the mayor said. “It had to do with noise and people congregating on the streets.”

A frequent patron of the restaurant, Ryan McCann, 33, said Ahmad Rahami was friendly and did not seem outwardly angry. Rather, Mr. McCann said, he was obsessed with fast cars, specifically Honda civics custom built to race.

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Jenner7  Sep 19, 2016 • 9:09:24am
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Decatur Deb  Sep 19, 2016 • 9:09:45am

Wonder if the ISIS Public Relations arm is going to embrace this clown, or write him and his cohort off as a “training failure”.

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lawhawk  Sep 19, 2016 • 9:11:22am

Can’t wait to hear what lies Trump tells about that meeting.

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darthstar  Sep 19, 2016 • 9:11:44am
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A wild WITHAK appeared!  Sep 19, 2016 • 9:12:45am

re: #273 lawhawk

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Can’t wait to hear what lies Trump tells about that meeting.

What could they possibly have to discuss? Baffling.

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CuriousLurker  Sep 19, 2016 • 9:12:53am

re: #253 The Vicious Babushka

Li’l Whiplash seems to think that Being A Muslim in and of itself is grounds for suspicion. You would think he would know better than that, but forget it Jack, it’s Li’l Whiplash.

Yeah, wait till Duke and the rest of the alt-right starts claiming that Da’esh is actually a Zionist invention and part of the ZOG’s plan to create a NWO controlled by Jews.

It wouldn’t be the first time I heard that Da’esh is actually an Israeli thing. I was assured that it was created/run by them as a way to distract from the bombardment of Gaza in July 2014, which is shortly after the Da’esh announced their caliphake (typo ntentional) and started doing their extra crazy brutal crap.

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Timothy Watson  Sep 19, 2016 • 9:13:42am

re: #274 darthstar

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BeachDem  Sep 19, 2016 • 9:14:00am

re: #274 darthstar

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Yeah, Trump called it—as did 99.9% of sentient beings.

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darthstar  Sep 19, 2016 • 9:14:01am

Personally, I want Chris Christie to be remembered for being Trump’s lap dog.

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Sir John Barron  Sep 19, 2016 • 9:14:28am

re: #274 darthstar

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Christie: Liars! I totally didn’t know about it! The bridge-closings were only done by people I hired!

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darthstar  Sep 19, 2016 • 9:15:09am

re: #277 Timothy Watson

Was Christie interviewed by the feds? If so, did he lie during the interview? If so, why wasn’t he charged?

Executive courtesy.

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Belafon  Sep 19, 2016 • 9:15:13am

re: #270 lawhawk

The NYT reports that the the alleged bomber’s family had sued Elizabeth NJ over discrimination, claiming that they were harassed by the city over shutting their restaurant over noise complaints:

So, his solution to an argument with the city is to create bombs? Awesome.

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darthstar  Sep 19, 2016 • 9:15:42am
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darthstar  Sep 19, 2016 • 9:18:01am
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A wild WITHAK appeared!  Sep 19, 2016 • 9:18:39am

re: #283 darthstar

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Passed out in a bar… clearly a model Muslim

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BeachDem  Sep 19, 2016 • 9:21:02am

Charles P. Pierce on Jill Stein’s latest lunacy:

It is a busy time at the intersection of Fantasy Street and Purity Boulevard. (“Left Turn Only” reads the sign.) Dr. Jill Stein’s knowledge of How Things Really Work is getting another serious airing, this time on a podcast put together by the gang at Tiger Beat On The Potomac.

…This is yapping from Opposite World and it does not deserve to be taken seriously by anyone…

esquire.com

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CuriousLurker  Sep 19, 2016 • 9:22:24am

re: #285 A wild WITHAK appeared!

Passed out in a bar… clearly a model Muslim

I prolly shouldn’t tell this joke, but it kinda fits. Years ago, a Muslim (convert) friend of Irish extraction said, “Hey, do you know how you can tell if an Irishman is Muslim? He gets drunk and passes out facing Mecca!” *groan*

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austin_blue  Sep 19, 2016 • 9:23:29am

re: #168 The Vicious Babushka

Why did NY Times select a photo that makes it look like a bomb explosion is coming out of Trump’s mouth?

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His halitosis is Yuge! The Biggest!

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Sep 19, 2016 • 9:24:01am

re: #266 darthstar

I should note, he was described as being 5’6” and 200lbs.

Giving him a BMI of 32.3.

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Kryptik: Just Done With It.  Sep 19, 2016 • 9:24:40am

re: #284 darthstar

Maybe we don’t have to shut down our economy and surrender our way of life to fight a dope who passed out in a bar.

It’s almost as if terrorism can be handled as a crime handled by law enforcement when necessary, rather than treating it like every response must be military in nature. But that can’t be right….can it?

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Great White Snark  Sep 19, 2016 • 9:24:47am

I hate to ask, but might the Lizard nation help out a tweet? Galling s.o.b.

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Sir John Barron  Sep 19, 2016 • 9:25:57am

re: #291 Great White Snark

I hate to ask, but might the Lizard nation help out a tweet? Galling s.o.b.

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I’m just glad the GOP candidate for prez isn’t shamelessly exploiting this weekend’s events for political gain.

/

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darthstar  Sep 19, 2016 • 9:25:59am

re: #290 Kryptik: Just Done With It.

It’s almost as if terrorism can be handled as a crime handled by law enforcement when necessary, rather than treating it like every response must be military in nature. But that can’t be right….can it?

I don’t know…maybe we should send this guy to Guantanamo Bay and fire up the military tribunals again just to be safe.
//

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CuriousLurker  Sep 19, 2016 • 9:26:56am

re: #291 Great White Snark

I hate to ask, but might the Lizard nation help out a tweet? Galling s.o.b.

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Sorry, but I’m not going to RT that prick. He says outrageous shit exactly because it gets him attention.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 19, 2016 • 9:27:54am

re: #290 Kryptik: Just Done With It.

It’s almost as if terrorism can be handled as a crime handled by law enforcement when necessary, rather than treating it like every response must be military in nature. But that can’t be right….can it?

The last thing Trump and the RW media need is for this guy to be portrayed as a hapless jerk who had some personal issues he tried to resolve through random violence. It must be part of a larger, more sinister plot.

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lawhawk  Sep 19, 2016 • 9:28:07am

re: #291 Great White Snark

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Sep 19, 2016 • 9:28:31am

re: #282 Belafon

From the description, it sounds like we have a real winner of a family here, kind of like the Mateens.

Though, I am ambivalent in regards to racism and bigotry in regards to the Restaurant closing. It sounds like there were some problems with police, but we are seeing, even in Liberal Areas, opposition to Mosques and Muslim things. I wouldn’t put it past some of the people who alleged rowdiness to have made it up in order to push the business out.

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Great White Snark  Sep 19, 2016 • 9:28:47am

re: #294 CuriousLurker

Fair enough. Love to push the Hill article though.

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sagehen  Sep 19, 2016 • 9:30:14am

re: #279 darthstar

Personally, I want Chris Christie to be remembered for being Trump’s lap dog.

Much too large for a lapdog.

Chris Christie is there to make Trump look thin.

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William Lewis  Sep 19, 2016 • 9:30:37am

Got my meds thanks to the good people I do church with. I’d be lost without them.

Thanks for the thoughts all. Time to make some comfort food - a blue box of Kraft Mac & Cheese sounds just a about right.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 19, 2016 • 9:31:03am

re: #297 Ziggy_TARDIS

From the description, it sounds like we have a real winner of a family here, kind of like the Mateens.

Though, I am ambivalent in regards to racism and bigotry in regards to the Restaurant closing. It sounds like there were some problems with police, but we are seeing, even in Liberal Areas, opposition to Mosques and Muslim things. I wouldn’t put it past some of the people who alleged rowdiness to have made it up in order to push the business out.

Hardworking immigrants making them look bad…

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blueraven  Sep 19, 2016 • 9:31:04am

Notwithstanding the incompetence of Rahami, excellent work by all law enforcement. What, about 48 hours, if counting NJ pipe bomb, from crime to capture?

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CuriousLurker  Sep 19, 2016 • 9:33:05am

re: #298 Great White Snark

Fair enough. Love to push the Hill article though.

You mean the one below (because that’s not the tweet you posted)? I’m okay with that, just not with RT Trump himself. As you can see he already has 14K+ RT on that one.

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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 19, 2016 • 9:35:03am

Dana Muhgunz speaks up. I haven’t seen her “bullets of wisdom” in a while.

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Kafitrar  Sep 19, 2016 • 9:35:30am

re: #302 blueraven

Notwithstanding the incompetence of Rahami, excellent work by all law enforcement. What, about 48 hours, if counting NJ pipe bomb, from crime to capture?

If the cops were allowed to waterboard random Muslims, he would have been caught after 12 hours!!!1!!!
///

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Sep 19, 2016 • 9:36:03am

re: #301 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I’ve grown a bit cynical about some of the other citizens in this country.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 19, 2016 • 9:36:40am

re: #305 Kafitrar

If the cops were allowed to waterboard random Muslims, he would have been caught after 12 hours!!!1!!!
///

If Trump had been allowed to ban all Muslims from entering America, he never would have come here!!!

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Great White Snark  Sep 19, 2016 • 9:36:43am

re: #303 CuriousLurker

You mean the one below (because that’s not the tweet you posted)? I’m okay with that, just not with RT Trump himself. As you can see he already has 14K+ RT on that one.

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The formatting went sideways on me so I had edited a couple times. My bad shoulda mentioned that

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CuriousLurker  Sep 19, 2016 • 9:38:32am

re: #285 A wild WITHAK appeared!

Passed out in a bar… clearly a model Muslim

And Geller will be cawing about how he was a DEVOUT Muslim following what the Qur’an instructs (if she hasn’t already started).

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BeachDem  Sep 19, 2016 • 9:39:43am

Part of Julia Louis-Dreyfus’s Emmy speech:

“I’d also like to take this opportunity to personally apologize for the current political climate. I think that ‘Veep’ has torn down the wall between comedy and politics. Our show started out as a political satire, but it now feels more like a sobering documentary. So I certainly do promise to rebuild that wall ― and make Mexico pay for it.”

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Belafon  Sep 19, 2016 • 9:40:40am

re: #309 CuriousLurker

And Geller will be cawing about how he was a DEVOUT Muslim following what the Qur’an instructs (if she hasn’t already started).

The Qur’an recommends passing out at a bar? Clearly I need to rethink my atheism.

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wrenchwench  Sep 19, 2016 • 9:42:00am

Might work for guitars, too.

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CuriousLurker  Sep 19, 2016 • 9:42:13am

re: #307 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

If Trump had been allowed to ban all Muslims from entering America, he never would have come here!!!

That still leaves the “problem” of American-born Muslims & Muslim converts. Things are gonna get even uglier now.

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CuriousLurker  Sep 19, 2016 • 9:42:59am

re: #312 wrenchwench

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Might work for guitars, too.

Clever.

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CuriousLurker  Sep 19, 2016 • 9:44:58am

re: #311 Belafon

The Qur’an recommends passing out at a bar? Clearly I need to rethink my atheism.

LOL

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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 19, 2016 • 9:45:17am

How old was this guy when he came here?
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gocart mozart  Sep 19, 2016 • 9:46:31am

re: #252 The Vicious Babushka

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wrenchwench  Sep 19, 2016 • 9:47:15am

re: #314 CuriousLurker

Clever.

I was thinking, ‘This shows what people really care about’, but I revised that to, ‘This shows what people think is expensive.’

People who aren’t into them have no idea of the value of bikes and guitars.

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Sir John Barron  Sep 19, 2016 • 9:47:35am

re: #316 The Vicious Babushka

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How old was this guy when he came here?

Until we have a fully operating pre-crime system up and running….

/

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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 19, 2016 • 9:48:54am

Automatic Blocking Function Triggered==>

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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 19, 2016 • 9:51:38am
322
Stanley Sea  Sep 19, 2016 • 9:54:45am

So, another unarmed black man was killed for having a broken down car.

#TerenceCrutcher

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darthstar  Sep 19, 2016 • 9:57:06am
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Great White Snark  Sep 19, 2016 • 9:57:28am

re: #322 Stanley Sea

So, another unarmed black man was killed for having a broken down car.

#TerenceCrutcher

Why are they wound up so tight? Everyone is not out to get them.

325
wrenchwench  Sep 19, 2016 • 9:59:38am

Like Texas, the number of Hispanics registered to vote in New Mexico has gone up more than 25%.

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Belafon  Sep 19, 2016 • 9:59:43am

re: #323 darthstar

Since I can’t see any picture or tweet you’re replying to, it reads like @TallyAnnaE, @Gus_802, and @TPM are three new Poke-stops.

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Stanley Sea  Sep 19, 2016 • 9:59:53am

re: #324 Great White Snark

Why are they wound up so tight? Everyone is not out to get them.

Bottom of the barrel cops with power issues.

But the flag!

328
Timothy Watson  Sep 19, 2016 • 10:01:15am

re: #324 Great White Snark

Why are they wound up so tight? Everyone is not out to get them.

That’s not what their training (and subculture) teaches them.

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Belafon  Sep 19, 2016 • 10:02:25am

re: #325 wrenchwench

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Like Texas, the number of Hispanics registered to vote in New Mexico has gone up more than 25%.

If everyone of them voted, not only would Clinton win, she would win big, the Republicans would be devastated, and assumptions of future elections would be upended. Imagine if that group voted in 2018.

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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 19, 2016 • 10:02:30am

Wow such Presidential very strength so Leadership wow

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wrenchwench  Sep 19, 2016 • 10:02:39am

re: #328 Timothy Watson

That’s not what their training (and subculture) teaches them.

And the head of their largest union (who announced the union’s endorsement of Trump yesterday.)

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Sir John Barron  Sep 19, 2016 • 10:03:20am

re: #330 The Vicious Babushka

Wow such Presidential very strength so Leadership wow

[Embedded content]

Is Donald J Dumpster tweeting from NewsMax again?

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wrenchwench  Sep 19, 2016 • 10:03:45am

re: #329 Belafon

If everyone of them voted, not only would Clinton win, she would win big, the Republicans would be devastated, and assumptions of future elections would be upended. Imagine if that group voted in 2018.

As always, turnout is key.

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CuriousLurker  Sep 19, 2016 • 10:04:04am

re: #324 Great White Snark

Why are they wound up so tight? Everyone is not out to get them.

Can’t say I’m surprised after the largest police union in the U.S. endorsed the Orange Vulgarian. That sent a pretty clear message.

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wrenchwench  Sep 19, 2016 • 10:05:35am

re: #334 CuriousLurker

Can’t say I’m surprised after the largest police union in the U.S. endorsed the Orange Vulgarian. That sent a pretty clear message.

And with the link!

I know I’m doing well when I’m thinking like you.

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Jenner7  Sep 19, 2016 • 10:05:56am

re: #322 Stanley Sea

abcnews.go.com

Looks like he was shot by one officer, and the other used a stun gun. WTF?

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CuriousLurker  Sep 19, 2016 • 10:06:21am

re: #335 wrenchwench

And with the link!

I know I’m doing well when I’m thinking like you.

Ditto. ;-)

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HappyWarrior  Sep 19, 2016 • 10:08:35am

re: #325 wrenchwench

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Like Texas, the number of Hispanics registered to vote in New Mexico has gone up more than 25%.

That makes me feel better.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 19, 2016 • 10:09:40am

re: #322 Stanley Sea

So, another unarmed black man was killed for having a broken down car.

#TerenceCrutcher

Sick of this crap but hey isn’t Colin Kapernick awful for kneeing!

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darthstar  Sep 19, 2016 • 10:10:01am

re: #326 Belafon

Since I can’t see any picture or tweet you’re replying to, it reads like @TallyAnnaE, @Gus_802, and @TPM are three new Poke-stops.

All good Poke-stop names. The linked tweet said that valuable info was found on the bomber’s cell phone.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 19, 2016 • 10:11:28am

re: #334 CuriousLurker

Can’t say I’m surprised after the largest police union in the U.S. endorsed the Orange Vulgarian. That sent a pretty clear message.

I did hear a FOP spokesman whining about BLM the other day. Yeah how dare they think cops who kill unarmed people should be prosecuted. I’m not anti cop but I sure as hell am anti cops who think they’re above criticism.

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lawhawk  Sep 19, 2016 • 10:12:45am
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HappyWarrior  Sep 19, 2016 • 10:15:18am

re: #342 lawhawk

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Serves these people right Leo or not for actually thinking Trump is a straight shooter.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 19, 2016 • 10:17:03am

Unarmed people killed by cops, wingnuts try to find everything bad that person ever did to rationalize their death. NFL player doesn’t stand for national anthem and gets treated like he has a swastika neck tattoo. Oh and Trump can continue to spout bs about our nation but it’s okay.

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lawhawk  Sep 19, 2016 • 10:18:04am

re: #344 HappyWarrior

Unarmed people killed by cops, wingnuts try to find everything bad that person ever did to rationalize their death. NFL player doesn’t stand for national anthem and gets treated like he has a swastika neck tattoo.

Yet the people with the swastika neck tattoos are rooting for Trump to win since they’ll let their bigot freak flags fly with relish.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 19, 2016 • 10:20:09am

re: #345 lawhawk

Yet the people with the swastika neck tattoos are rooting for Trump to win since they’ll let their bigot freak flags fly with relish.

Yep.

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Jenner7  Sep 19, 2016 • 10:20:11am
348
Anymouse  Sep 19, 2016 • 10:26:03am

re: #212 Belafon

Then it turns to us to get the information out. That alternet article might be good page here.

I spent yesterday telling a friend of mine why Hillary should be elected president. Not only why Trump shouldn’t, but why she should. I also told her I would be making sure she and her family were going to be voting on election day.

The comments sure aren’t: It is a dogpile I couldn’t separate if I waded in with a Tazer.

I cannot hold my own there the Gish Gallop and crank magnetism is so deep.

349
CuriousLurker  Sep 19, 2016 • 10:26:49am

Wait, I knew someone was missing—where’s Backwoods_Sleuth?

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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 19, 2016 • 10:48:50am

And another woman gets kicked off the beach for covering up too much==>


And yet, a women who appears on the beach wearing a bikini or even a one-piece speedo but doesn’t have a perfect beach body, she gets fat-shamed.
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 19, 2016 • 11:03:09am

re: #349 CuriousLurker

Wait, I knew someone was missing—where’s Backwoods_Sleuth?

I’m here.
trying to recover from some not too pleasant effects of possible food poisoning.

:(

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CuriousLurker  Sep 19, 2016 • 11:06:31am

re: #351 Backwoods_Sleuth

Oof, sorry to hear that. I missed your reporting. Hope you’re back to 100% soon.

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Skip Intro  Sep 19, 2016 • 12:41:52pm

re: #304 The Vicious Babushka

Dana Muhgunz speaks up. I haven’t seen her “bullets of wisdom” in a while.

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Dana’s just asking for a friend.

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Great White Snark  Sep 20, 2016 • 6:40:19am

re: #201 William Lewis

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