UT Knoxville College of Law Dean Denounces Glenn Reynolds’ Tweet Encouraging Violence Against Protesters

“University administrators, college faculty, and I are investigating this matter”
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The University of Tennessee Knoxville’s College of Law Dean Melanie Wilson has issued a statement denouncing “Instapundit” Glenn Reynolds for his ugly tweet encouraging violence against protesters, and UT Knoxville Chancellor Jimmy G. Cheek has supported Wilson’s statement.

This is the statement by Dean Wilson:

“I am aware of the remarks made last night on Twitter by Professor Glenn Reynolds and of the serious and legitimate concerns expressed by members of the UT Law family and the University of Tennessee community, as well as concerned citizens across the country. Professor Reynolds’s comments do not reflect my views and opinions, nor do they reflect the values of the college and university.

University administrators, college faculty, and I are investigating this matter.

The university is committed to academic freedom, freedom of speech, and diverse viewpoints, all of which are important for an institution of higher education and the free exchange of ideas. My colleagues and I in the university’s leadership support peaceful civil disobedience and all forms of free speech, but we do not support violence or language that encourages violence.

Professor Reynolds has built a significant platform to discuss his viewpoints, but his remarks on Twitter are an irresponsible use of his platform.

The College of Law is committed to ensuring our students learn in a welcoming, open, and inclusive community in which they can successfully pursue their law degrees and become not only responsible lawyers, but also responsible global citizens who are able to competently represent people of all backgrounds.”

UPDATE at 9/22/16 12:22:23 pm by Charles Johnson

Meanwhile, in classic right wing fashion, Reynolds is not apologizing for the tweet — although he says he wouldn’t do it again. This combination of defiance and cowardice makes it very clear the only thing he regrets is being caught.

Reynolds told radio host Hugh Hewitt that he would “probably not” tweet the message if given another chance, but he was unapologetic.

“I have to say I don’t apologize for the sentiment,” he said. “I think that this tactic of blocking people on the interstate and surrounding cars is itself violent. It is threatening. It is not peaceful protest, and it should not be permitted.”

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175 comments

1
Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 22, 2016 • 11:47:08am

Good. Let’s hope that stupid tweet costs this fucker some money.

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lockjawcanbefun  Sep 22, 2016 • 11:50:55am

I’d wager my life savings that at least one right-wing mouthpiece who regularly rails against tenure when a professor dares to do something slightly left-of-center is feverishly pointing to as a reason that the college can’t do anything against St. Instapundit.

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KGxvi  Sep 22, 2016 • 11:52:31am

So I just jumped over to Instapundit to see what he had to say about it. This jumped out at me:

I’ve always been a supporter of free speech and peaceful protest. I fully support people protesting police actions, and I’ve been writing in support of greater accountability for police for years.

But riots aren’t peaceful protest. And blocking interstates and trapping people in their cars is not peaceful protest — it’s threatening and dangerous, especially against the background of people rioting, cops being injured, civilian-on-civilian shootings, and so on. I wouldn’t actually aim for people blocking the road, but I wouldn’t stop because I’d fear for my safety, as I think any reasonable person would.

“Run them down” perhaps didn’t capture this fully, but it’s Twitter, where character limits stand in the way of nuance.

You’d think that someone who became a law professor would maybe realize that before pushing send. In the immortal words of Herm Edwards: DON’T PRESS SEND.

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Shiplord Kirel  Sep 22, 2016 • 11:55:08am

This is especially egregious because Glenn is a practicing attorney, as well as an endowed professor, and his advice might actually carry more weight with RWNJ readers than the usual “kill ‘em all” rant.
“Whassat, officer? Why’d I run over them ni(clang)s? This here big time lawyer from Tennessee sayed it was ok.”

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BeachDem  Sep 22, 2016 • 11:55:12am

SMOTI’s new WOW BREAKING story in 5, 4, 3, 2, 1…

‘GOD HELP US!’ Conservatives freak out over ‘Charlotte’ riot video — but it’s actually from London

rawstory.com
Someone tries to point out that the footage is from London and NOT Charlotte and receives this informed response:

“Your [sic] wrong on live feed on fox.”

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Sep 22, 2016 • 11:55:56am

re: #3 KGxvi

So I just jumped over to Instapundit to see what he had to say about it. This jumped out at me:

You’d think that someone who became a law professor would maybe realize that before pushing send. In the immortal words of Herm Edwards: DON’T PRESS SEND.

I’m sure, since he’s such an advocate for free speech and peaceful protest, that he’s been a loud and outspoken advocate making sure people know that Colin Kaepernick has every right to do what he’s been doing.

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Single-handed sailor  Sep 22, 2016 • 11:57:20am

re: #3 KGxvi

So I just jumped over to Instapundit to see what he had to say about it. This jumped out at me:

You’d think that someone who became a law professor would maybe realize that before pushing send. In the immortal words of Herm Edwards: DON’T PRESS SEND.

What’s the problem? He had 126 characters left to capture that nuance.

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jaunte  Sep 22, 2016 • 11:58:56am

re: #3 KGxvi

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wrenchwench  Sep 22, 2016 • 12:02:02pm

re: #8 jaunte

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The #duh hashtag. BOOM!

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Sep 22, 2016 • 12:03:10pm

re: #8 jaunte

Ah, yes. The insinuation that Twitter is censoring conservatives only. Right on cue.

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jaunte  Sep 22, 2016 • 12:04:11pm

re: #9 wrenchwench

Pretty sure at some point in his life Glenn Reynolds has said “it’s a poor workman who blames his tools.”

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dangerman  Sep 22, 2016 • 12:04:44pm

re: #3 KGxvi

So I just jumped over to Instapundit to see what he had to say about it. This jumped out at me:

You’d think that someone who became a law professor would maybe realize that before pushing send. In the immortal words of Herm Edwards: DON’T PRESS SEND.

yup

this was the leadoff over at redstate this morning

he didnt mean run them down. he meant RUN FOR YOUR OWN SAFETY

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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 22, 2016 • 12:04:46pm

Hey, speaking of Twitter assholes, whatever happened to our friend Hahaha Goodman?

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S'latch  Sep 22, 2016 • 12:06:12pm

Ha, Ha, Ha! I hope Glenn gets the message.

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Stanley Sea  Sep 22, 2016 • 12:06:31pm

BEAT TENNESSEE!

Gators play UT this weekennd.

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Sep 22, 2016 • 12:09:38pm

“why dont all those black people just confine themselves to polite peaceful protests we could ignore easily???”

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BeachDem  Sep 22, 2016 • 12:10:25pm

re: #14 Eclectic Cyborg

Hey, speaking of Twitter assholes, whatever happened to our friend Hahaha Goodman?

Second verse, same as the first:

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electrotek  Sep 22, 2016 • 12:10:44pm

This is one ugly aspect of tenure.

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EPR-radar  Sep 22, 2016 • 12:13:46pm

re: #2 lockjawcanbefun

I’d wager my life savings that at least one right-wing mouthpiece who regularly rails against tenure when a professor dares to do something slightly left-of-center is feverishly pointing to as a reason that the college can’t do anything against St. Instapundit.

That would be the safest bet of all time.

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Lidane  Sep 22, 2016 • 12:16:55pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 22, 2016 • 12:18:12pm

re: #18 BeachDem

Figures. I expect an epic meltdown when Clinton wins.

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Thanos  Sep 22, 2016 • 12:18:20pm

There are rumors going around that he is suspended, but he was tweeting 2 hours ago.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 22, 2016 • 12:19:25pm

These RWNJs are itching for violence so badly they can’t even help themselves anymore.

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Belafon  Sep 22, 2016 • 12:19:35pm

re: #23 Thanos

There are rumors going around that he is suspended, but he was tweeting 2 hours ago.

It was a 12 hour suspension, but they let him back in if he deleted the tweet.

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Jayleia  Sep 22, 2016 • 12:19:54pm
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piratedan  Sep 22, 2016 • 12:21:10pm

re: #21 Lidane

and if UT shitcans his ass, I guess I won’t have to apologize for my sentiment either

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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 22, 2016 • 12:22:22pm

Wingnuts are losing their shit because Clinton said “I should be 50 points ahead of Trump”

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Charles Johnson  Sep 22, 2016 • 12:22:33pm

Meanwhile, in classic right wing fashion, Reynolds is not apologizing for the tweet — although he says he wouldn’t do it again. This combination of defiance and cowardice makes it very clear the only thing he regrets is being caught.

Reynolds told radio host Hugh Hewitt that he would “probably not” tweet the message if given another chance, but he was unapologetic.

“I have to say I don’t apologize for the sentiment,” he said. “I think that this tactic of blocking people on the interstate and surrounding cars is itself violent. It is threatening. It is not peaceful protest, and it should not be permitted.”

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lawhawk  Sep 22, 2016 • 12:22:36pm

He’s busy tweeting/retweeting people who weren’t suspended for expressing similar sentiments.

Mind you, he’s cherry picking people who have a fraction of the following he does.

One person has 379 followers. He’s got 68k. The reach of his statement is that much more deplorable (and he should know better as a law prof).

And he’s now trying to retcon what he stated, trying to claim that people would be justified in running down protesters because of the damage they could have done to people’s vehicles or the contents of their vehicles.

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EPR-radar  Sep 22, 2016 • 12:25:09pm

re: #30 lawhawk

Hah, a Freudian slip by this RWNJ asshole.

And he’s now trying to retcon what he stated, trying to claim that people would be justified in running down protesters because of the damage they could have done to people’s vehicles or the contents of their vehicles.

RWNJ property more important than other people’s lives, same shit different day.

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makeitstop  Sep 22, 2016 • 12:25:53pm

re: #30 lawhawk

He’s busy tweeting/retweeting people who weren’t suspended for expressing similar sentiments.

Jesus. He’s acting like a ten year old.

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Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Sep 22, 2016 • 12:26:49pm

re: #32 makeitstop

Jesus. He’s acting like a ten year old.

and this is surprising?

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Timothy Watson  Sep 22, 2016 • 12:27:04pm

GOP family values:

Virginia State Del. Richard Lee Morris has been charged with assaulting a child and a family member, according to Suffolk police.

Morris, 47, was arrested Tuesday on a felony count of cruelty and injuries to children and two misdemeanor counts of assault and battery of a family member, police said. He was released from the Tidewater Regional Jail at 1 a.m. Wednesday after posting $1,500 bond.

On Tuesday, officers spoke with a boy, who is a family member, in response to a complaint from Child Protective Services that the child had been assaulted Friday in Morris’s home in the 300 block of Babbtown Road, according to police.

The boy had injuries “consistent with excessive physical discipline,” police said.

Also Tuesday, officers spoke with an adult female victim who allegedly was assaulted Dec. 23 after a verbal altercation turned physical, police said.

richmond.com

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Skip Intro  Sep 22, 2016 • 12:27:50pm
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wrenchwench  Sep 22, 2016 • 12:29:30pm

re: #29 Charles Johnson

Meanwhile, in classic right wing fashion, Reynolds is not apologizing for the tweet — although he says he wouldn’t do it again. This combination of defiance and cowardice makes it very clear the only thing he regrets is being caught.

He’s giving drivers of cars a bad reputation if he’s saying making people sit in their cars not going when they want to go is violent enough to justify killing the cause of their hesitation. I should say he is ‘reinforcing’ that reputation.

/pedestrian/cyclist bias acknowledged.

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Eventual Carrion  Sep 22, 2016 • 12:32:24pm

re: #29 Charles Johnson

Meanwhile, in classic right wing fashion, Reynolds is not apologizing for the tweet — although he says he wouldn’t do it again. This combination of defiance and cowardice makes it very clear the only thing he regrets is being caught.

Unless the call to truckers and/or motorcycles a few years ago to do it by repubs in DC had actually happened. Then that would have been cool I bet.

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jaunte  Sep 22, 2016 • 12:32:24pm

re: #36 wrenchwench

He’s giving drivers of cars a bad reputation if he’s saying making people sit in their cars not going when they want to go is violent enough to justify killing the cause of their hesitation. I should say he is ‘reinforcing’ that reputation.

The unspeakable violence of being “cut off” in traffic.

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Thanos  Sep 22, 2016 • 12:32:58pm
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dangerman  Sep 22, 2016 • 12:33:00pm

re: #26 Jayleia

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he used three words.

brevity wasnt a problem

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Thanos  Sep 22, 2016 • 12:34:23pm

re: #38 jaunte

The unspeakable violence of being “cut off” in traffic.

Blocking roads and traffic has been a standard ploy of protests since pre-Roman times.

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wrenchwench  Sep 22, 2016 • 12:35:12pm

re: #38 jaunte

The unspeakable violence of being “cut off” in traffic.

‘Unspeakable’ = there’s no ‘owie’ there.

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lawhawk  Sep 22, 2016 • 12:35:33pm

re: #41 Thanos

Protesting civil rights injustices has long involved marches and protests blocking roads. Just ask John Lewis.

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jaunte  Sep 22, 2016 • 12:36:59pm
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EPR-radar  Sep 22, 2016 • 12:37:29pm

re: #41 Thanos

Blocking roads and traffic has been a standard ploy of protests since pre-Roman times.

Facts like this about protests are irrelevant to RWNJs. For a RWNJ, anything “their team” does is good and justified, and anything the other team does is evil and unjustified.

I’d bet that at least 1/3 of the goobers that show up for Trump rallies would approve of the OKC bombing if polled on that question.

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jaunte  Sep 22, 2016 • 12:38:27pm
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dangerman  Sep 22, 2016 • 12:38:47pm

re: #29 Charles Johnson

Meanwhile, in classic right wing fashion, Reynolds is not apologizing for the tweet — although he says he wouldn’t do it again. This combination of defiance and cowardice makes it very clear the only thing he regrets is being caught.

because “those people” are prone to actual violence and so “I think that this tactic of blocking people on the interstate and surrounding cars is itself violent. It is threatening”

so it must be violent whether it is, isnt, something “could” happen… otherwise i have no justification

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dangerman  Sep 22, 2016 • 12:41:00pm

re: #46 jaunte

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pre meditated self defence
” because of the damage they could have done

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wrenchwench  Sep 22, 2016 • 12:42:41pm

The woman who ran me down was convicted of a felony (under appeal, as is her right) and she didn’t even do it on purpose, she just didn’t NOT do it on purpose.

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EPR-radar  Sep 22, 2016 • 12:43:01pm

re: #47 dangerman

because “those people” are prone to actual violence and so “I think that this tactic of blocking people on the interstate and surrounding cars is itself violent. It is threatening”

so it must be violent whether it is, isnt, something “could” happen… otherwise i have no justification

I’d like to see Reynolds or the like really cross examined on how crowds blocking traffic is inherently unjustified violence, while the Bundy ranch affair was a peaceful protest.

I don’t know for a fact that Reynolds approved of the Bundy ranch standoff, but that is very likely, and finding some other RWNJ pundit that has this inconsistency is certainly possible.

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gocart mozart  Sep 22, 2016 • 12:49:11pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 22, 2016 • 12:50:10pm

re: #46 jaunte

Oh yeah, that’s SO much better!

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Skip Intro  Sep 22, 2016 • 12:50:25pm

Trump’s campaign paid his businesses $8.2 million

The GOP presidential nominee’s campaign has paid his various businesses for services including rent for his campaign offices ($1.3 million), food and facilities for events and meetings ($544,000) and payroll for Trump corporate staffers ($333,000) who helped with everything from his traveling security to his wife’s convention speech.

In all, the Trump campaign’s payments to Trump-owned businesses account for about 7 percent of its $119 million spending total, the analysis found.

That’s an unprecedented amount of self-dealing in federal politics.

politico.com

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dangerman  Sep 22, 2016 • 12:50:43pm

re: #50 EPR-radar

I’d like to see Reynolds or the like really cross examined on how crowds blocking traffic is inherently unjustified violence, while the Bundy ranch affair was a peaceful protest.

I don’t know for a fact that Reynolds approved of the Bundy ranch standoff, but that is very likely, and finding some other RWNJ pundit that has this inconsistency is certainly possible.

the white guys didnt fire a shot = peaceful
the black guys could have done something they didnt actually do= prone to violence

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Charles Johnson  Sep 22, 2016 • 12:51:36pm
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dangerman  Sep 22, 2016 • 12:52:50pm

re: #53 Skip Intro

Trump’s campaign paid his businesses $8.2 million

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“hey, why should i be punished just because im the first guy to figure out how to monetize a presidential campaign and do it successfully at the same time?”

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EPR-radar  Sep 22, 2016 • 12:53:13pm

re: #54 dangerman

the white guys didnt fire a shot = peaceful
the black guys could have done something they didnt actually do= prone to violence

This might be too much analysis for tiny RWNJ minds.

white = peaceful
black = violent

is at their comprehension level.

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dangerman  Sep 22, 2016 • 12:54:26pm

re: #55 Charles Johnson

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realman10000 has trumps business plan summarized in two sentences

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Charles Johnson  Sep 22, 2016 • 12:55:24pm

Practically that whole thread of comments at wesearchr is just people ranting about Chuck C. Johnson being a fraud, an extortionist and a scam artist. It’s great.

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dangerman  Sep 22, 2016 • 12:55:30pm

re: #57 EPR-radar

This might be too much analysis for tiny RWNJ minds.

white = peaceful
black = violent

is at their comprehension level.

foolishly, i tried using context
i guess that would make it tl;dr

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Great White Snark  Sep 22, 2016 • 12:58:08pm

Look at this image….

And ponder his quote.

“I have to say I don’t apologize for the sentiment,” he said. “I think that this tactic of blocking people on the interstate and surrounding cars is itself violent. It is threatening. It is not peaceful protest, and it should not be permitted.”

History is not on his side.

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Charles Johnson  Sep 22, 2016 • 12:58:58pm

“I trust Infowars.” Massive facepalm.

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Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Sep 22, 2016 • 12:59:09pm

re: #59 Charles Johnson

Practically that whole thread of comments at wesearchr is just people ranting about Chuck C. Johnson being a fraud, an extortionist and a scam artist. It’s great.

That is awesome.

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EPR-radar  Sep 22, 2016 • 1:01:07pm

re: #59 Charles Johnson

Practically that whole thread of comments at wesearchr is just people ranting about Chuck C. Johnson being a fraud, an extortionist and a scam artist. It’s great.

If only these same clues would start sinking in about:

1) The GOP establishment lies implied by their bigoted dog-whistling.
2) Trump’s lies about everything.

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wrenchwench  Sep 22, 2016 • 1:02:13pm

re: #49 wrenchwench

The woman who ran me down was convicted of a felony (under appeal, as is her right) and she didn’t even do it on purpose, she just didn’t NOT do it on purpose.

To give her a felony, the judge had to find she acted with ‘wilful and depraved indifference to human life.’ I think Glenn Reynolds’s tweet would qualify for that.

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dangerman  Sep 22, 2016 • 1:02:56pm

re: #61 Great White Snark

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And ponder his quote.

History is not on his side.

wait till some bozo says “look on the left - they were letting the traffic through”

“yeah but only one way”
“ok, but it was the right way”…..

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A wild WITHAK appeared!  Sep 22, 2016 • 1:04:27pm

I am not as amazed by this as Greg Sargent is, but I’m guessing this is tongue-in-cheek:

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dangerman  Sep 22, 2016 • 1:04:59pm

re: #62 Charles Johnson

“I trust Infowars.” Massive facepalm.

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another guy whose very existence summarizes trumps support

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Dr. Matt  Sep 22, 2016 • 1:06:06pm

Glenn Greenwald
Glenn Beck
Glenn Reynolds

Glenn = Asshole?

I’m starting to see a trend that is reaching sufficient evidence for causation.

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A wild WITHAK appeared!  Sep 22, 2016 • 1:07:13pm

re: #69 Dr. Matt

Glenn Greenwald
Glenn Beck
Glenn Reynolds

Glenn = Asshole?

I’m starting to see a trend that is reaching sufficient evidence for causation.

Glengarry Glen Ross?

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jaunte  Sep 22, 2016 • 1:07:46pm

“I trust Infowars.”

They wouldn’t talk about goblins if goblins weren’t a huge problem.

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dangerman  Sep 22, 2016 • 1:08:12pm

re: #67 A wild WITHAK appeared!

I am not as amazed by this as Greg Sargent is, but I’m guessing this is tongue-in-cheek:

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this doesnt worry me - there are thousands of people who will do the fact checking of the facts

chris wallace’s sentiment does worry me

if trump literally lies to your face by the very premise of your question are you going to let it go?

cw “last year you said…..”
dt “nope never said that”..

or worse:
cw “on mmddyy you said ….” (implying that he has the context of the quote and could produce it
dt: nope never said that”

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jaunte  Sep 22, 2016 • 1:08:14pm

How do we know it isn’t goblins, huh?

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scottslemmons  Sep 22, 2016 • 1:08:57pm

re: #67 A wild WITHAK appeared!

I am not as amazed by this as Greg Sargent is, but I’m guessing this is tongue-in-cheek:

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The great thing is, now the moderators know they have to factcheck him. If they let his lies slide, they’ll look like they’re taking orders from him.

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Belafon  Sep 22, 2016 • 1:09:13pm

re: #72 dangerman

this doesnt worry me - there are thousands of people who will do the fact checking of the facts

chris wallace’s sentiment does worry me

if trump literally lies to your face by the very premise of your question are you going to let it go?

cw “last year you said…..”
dt “nope never said that”..

or worse:
cw “on mmddyy you said ….” (implying that he has the context of the quote and could produce it
dt: nope never said that”

“Here’s a video of you saying—”
“That’s not me. He’s not orange enough.”

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Stanley Sea  Sep 22, 2016 • 1:13:51pm

re: #69 Dr. Matt

Glenn Greenwald
Glenn Beck
Glenn Reynolds

Glenn = Asshole?

I’m starting to see a trend that is reaching sufficient evidence for causation.

Glenn Rhee, Walking Dead = very good guy

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Shiplord Kirel  Sep 22, 2016 • 1:14:25pm

re: #69 Dr. Matt

Glenn Greenwald
Glenn Beck
Glenn Reynolds

Glenn = Asshole?

I’m starting to see a trend that is reaching sufficient evidence for causation.

Just imagine if it were “Glenn Wayne”
The Classic Middle Name

It only occurred to me in the early 1990s that “Wayne” was a popular middle name among a few of the most heinous murderers of our time, e.g., the clown John Wayne Gacy (who killed almost three dozen boys and young men in the late 1970s and buried most of them beneath the floorboards of his Des Plaines, Ill., home) and Elmer Wayne Henley (sentenced to six consecutive life terms in 1974 in Houston for his role, with ringleader Dean Allen Corll, in the murders of 27 young men). I began to publish periodic lists in 1996, and soon readers made sure I never missed a one that made the news.

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sagehen  Sep 22, 2016 • 1:14:36pm

re: #69 Dr. Matt

Glenn Greenwald
Glenn Beck
Glenn Reynolds

Glenn = Asshole?

I’m starting to see a trend that is reaching sufficient evidence for causation.

Sally Draper’s boyfriend Glenn (on Mad Men) was an asshole too.

On the other hand, Glenn Rhee on Walking Dead is pretty awesome. Maybe it’s not his real name?

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piratedan  Sep 22, 2016 • 1:14:42pm

re: #75 Belafon

my biggest fear is how the Media will shape the event… suspecting that we’ll see something pythonesque in place….

Wallace: DT, what’s your favorite color….
DT: blue, except when its green and sometimes its gold

Wallace: Ms. Clinton, can you tell us how those illegally forwarded classified e-mail ducments didn’t endanger US Intelligence assets inside and outside the country?

Wallace: Mr Trump can you tell us how high the wall will be that the Mexican government will be building?

Wallace: Ms. Clinton, can you explain how your intervention in military asset placements allowed a Benghazi to even happen?

continue ad nauseum…

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goddamnedfrank  Sep 22, 2016 • 1:16:14pm

re: #74 scottslemmons

The great thing is, now the moderators know they have to factcheck him. If they let his lies slide, they’ll look like they’re taking orders from him.

And if they don’t Clinton can say something like “Listen Lester, I know Trump publicly warned you not to fact check his lies and you’re apparently too scared by that implicit threat to stand up for your own journalistic integrity, but your job is to faithfully inform the public. The truth matters and here it is …”

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sagehen  Sep 22, 2016 • 1:16:28pm

re: #79 piratedan

What is the airspeed of an unladen swallow?

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scottslemmons  Sep 22, 2016 • 1:17:43pm

re: #79 piratedan

my biggest fear is how the Media will shape the event… suspecting that we’ll see something pythonesque in place….

Wallace: DT, what’s your favorite color….
DT: blue, except when its green and sometimes its gold

Wallace: Ms. Clinton, can you tell us how those illegally forwarded classified e-mail ducments didn’t endanger US Intelligence assets inside and outside the country?

Wallace: Mr Trump can you tell us how high the wall will be that the Mexican government will be building?

Wallace: Ms. Clinton, can you explain how your intervention in military asset placements allowed a Benghazi to even happen?

continue ad nauseum…

Press to Trump:

Bugs Bunny and the Three Bears Scene

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EPR-radar  Sep 22, 2016 • 1:20:37pm

re: #80 goddamnedfrank

And if they don’t Clinton can say something like “Listen Lester, I know Trump publicly warned you not to fact check his lies and you’re apparently too scared by that implicit threat to stand up for your own journalistic integrity, but your job is to faithfully inform the public. The truth matters and here it is …”

I’m certain that Clinton’s preparation for the debates with Trump will be exhaustive, including all possibilities from Trump delivering normal Republican debate talking points to a carpet chewing meltdown by Trump.

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sagehen  Sep 22, 2016 • 1:21:54pm

re: #83 EPR-radar

I’m certain that Clinton’s preparation for the debates with Trump will be exhaustive, including all possibilities from Trump delivering normal Republican debate talking points to a carpet chewing meltdown by Trump.

She needs to find a reason to laugh in his face. Repeatedly. And her critique of his abilities must include the word “inadequate”.

ETA: sudden thought… has her research staff tracked down any of his childhood acquaintances, neighbors, etc? She needs to berate him with particular words and phrases that his father used to use towards him…

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Sep 22, 2016 • 1:25:46pm

my ignorance of the law is vast but isnt incitement to violence a criminal offense?

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EPR-radar  Sep 22, 2016 • 1:27:53pm

re: #84 sagehen

She needs to find a reason to laugh in his face. Repeatedly. And her critique of his abilities must include the word “inadequate”.

ETA: sudden thought… has her research staff tracked down any of his childhood acquaintances, neighbors, etc? She needs to berate him with particular words and phrases that his father used to use towards him…

This sounds like a very good idea to me. If I were advising on debate strategy for Clinton, my recommendation would be to try (as much as possible) to goad Trump into a carpet-chewing frenzy on live TV. That’s the one thing that the corrupt media won’t be able to spin away.

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ObserverArt  Sep 22, 2016 • 1:28:48pm

re: #18 BeachDem

Second verse, same as the first:

H. A. Goodman @HAGOODMANAUTHOR
Clinton really should have debated Trump at the Republican debates… #BringBernieBack
11:19 AM - 22 Sep 2016
25 25 Retweets 67 67 likes

There it is. This is the thinking of many of the Sanders backers. Bernie was the true liberal progressive Democrat. Hillary not. She is a hawkish Republican-lite neocon that is more interested in getting neocon Republican endorsements rather than worry about the REAL left/progressives.

Lots of it going around.

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goddamnedfrank  Sep 22, 2016 • 1:30:31pm
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philosophus invidius  Sep 22, 2016 • 1:31:04pm

Tennessee Code § 39-12-102 (2015):

(a) Whoever, by means of oral, written or electronic communication, directly or through another, intentionally commands, requests or hires another to commit a criminal offense, or attempts to command, request or hire another to commit a criminal offense, with the intent that the criminal offense be committed, is guilty of the offense of solicitation.

(b) It is no defense that the solicitation was unsuccessful and the offense solicited was not committed. It is no defense that the person solicited could not be guilty of the offense solicited, due to insanity, minority, or other lack of criminal responsibility or incapacity. It is no defense that the person solicited was unaware of the criminal nature of the conduct solicited. It is no defense that the person solicited is unable to commit the offense solicited because of the lack of capacity, status, or characteristic needed to commit the offense solicited, so long as the person soliciting or the person solicited believes that either or both have such capacity, status, or characteristic.

leiterlawschool.typepad.com

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philosophus invidius  Sep 22, 2016 • 1:32:13pm

re: #88 goddamnedfrank

When you can’t discuss FACTS because people will be offended … that’s political correctness.

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EPR-radar  Sep 22, 2016 • 1:33:57pm

re: #87 ObserverArt

There it is. This is the thinking of many of the Sanders backers. Bernie was the true liberal progressive Democrat. Hillary not. She is a hawkish Republican-lite neocon that is more interested in getting neocon Republican endorsements rather than worry about the REAL left/progressives.

Lots of it going around.

Even if this were true (which it isn’t), how does it amount to an excuse to vote Trump or 3rd party in this election? You are either with Trump and the GOP or against them, and if you’re against them, why half-ass the job?

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Dr. Matt  Sep 22, 2016 • 1:35:23pm

re: #89 philosophus invidius

Tennessee Code § 39-12-102 (2015):

leiterlawschool.typepad.com

Since he’s a prof at a state uni, his .edu emails are subject to FOIA. Might be interesting to see what sort of vile crap he sends over his publically-funded account.

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ObserverArt  Sep 22, 2016 • 1:36:13pm

re: #38 jaunte

The unspeakable violence of being “cut off” in traffic.

I’m behind in the thread…has anyone brought up maybe he is recalling the trucker being pulled from his truck in the Rodney King riots after the King Cops got off in their trial in LA?

Conservatives probably never forget that…it was a grim video and should never have happened. It is America’s history forever.

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dangerman  Sep 22, 2016 • 1:37:17pm

re: #90 philosophus invidius

When you can’t discuss FACTS because people will be offended … that’s political correctness.

facts only offend those who seek to manipulate them

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Belafon  Sep 22, 2016 • 1:37:32pm

Clinton should see if Mark Cuban will sit in the audience for the debates.

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nickzi  Sep 22, 2016 • 1:38:25pm

If the best advice you can offer when dealing with protesters is “Run Them Down”- you might just be a conservative.

I wonder how long it will take for Rod Dreher to write another letter to himself from a reasonable bigot explaining that he doesn’t normally think this way, but….. KILL THEM ALL, GOD WILL RECOGNIZE HIS OWN.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 22, 2016 • 1:39:25pm

re: #88 goddamnedfrank

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What’s offensive is Pence’s total denial of the racism that does exist in police departments. Pence is typical of white conservatives like himself in that he never even attempts to empathize with people who aren’t like him.

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gocart mozart  Sep 22, 2016 • 1:39:38pm
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dangerman  Sep 22, 2016 • 1:39:38pm

re: #87 ObserverArt

There it is. This is the thinking of many of the Sanders backers. Bernie was the true liberal progressive Democrat. Hillary not. She is a hawkish Republican-lite neocon that is more interested in getting neocon Republican endorsements rather than worry about the REAL left/progressives.

Lots of it going around.

even if this were true
even if sanders were a literal gift from the gods
he didnt get enough votes to win

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HappyWarrior  Sep 22, 2016 • 1:40:34pm

re: #99 dangerman

even if this were true
even if sanders were a literal gift from the gods
he didnt get enough votes to win

Exactly. He lost. No amount of complaining or calling Clinton a crypto-Republican will change that the vast majority of registered Democrats preferred Clinton as the Democratic nominee over Bernie.

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Belafon  Sep 22, 2016 • 1:43:01pm

re: #100 HappyWarrior

Exactly. He lost. No amount of complaining or calling Clinton a crypto-Republican will change that the vast majority of registered Democrats preferred Clinton as the Democratic nominee over Bernie.

At this point, I think you’ll get more benefit just making sure the Clinton supporters vote, and I’m talking about those that plan on voting for her, which includes the majority of those who supported Sanders in the primary. Most of them know how things work. Don’t worry about those others.

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dangerman  Sep 22, 2016 • 1:43:08pm

re: #100 HappyWarrior

Exactly. He lost. No amount of complaining or calling Clinton a crypto-Republican will change that the vast majority of registered Democrats preferred Clinton as the Democratic nominee over Bernie.

and that bernie’s not on the ballot now

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HappyWarrior  Sep 22, 2016 • 1:43:48pm

re: #101 Belafon

At this point, I think you’ll get more benefit just making sure the Clinton supporters vote, and I’m talking about those that plan on voting for her, which includes the majority of those who supported Sanders in the primary. Most of them know how things work. Don’t worry about those others.

True, most seem to get it.

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dangerman  Sep 22, 2016 • 1:44:05pm

re: #101 Belafon

At this point, I think you’ll get more benefit just making sure the Clinton supporters vote, and I’m talking about those that plan on voting for her, which includes the majority of those who supported Sanders in the primary. Most of them know how things work. Don’t worry about those others.

100% agreed

easier to gotv and register 5 new voters than convert one of the faithful

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ObserverArt  Sep 22, 2016 • 1:44:32pm

re: #80 goddamnedfrank

And if they don’t Clinton can say something like “Listen Lester, I know Trump publicly warned you not to fact check his lies and you’re apparently too scared by that implicit threat to stand up for your own journalistic integrity, but your job is to faithfully inform the public. The truth matters and here it is …”

And, what are the chances that would piss the media off for calling them out and they turn on Clinton to protect their own butts.

Remember Chucky Todd said they can’t call ‘em out because they’d never be on their shows again.

If we have any wussies…the media fits the characterization.

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allegro  Sep 22, 2016 • 1:44:41pm

re: #84 sagehen

She needs to find a reason to laugh in his face. Repeatedly. And her critique of his abilities must include the word “inadequate”.

ETA: sudden thought… has her research staff tracked down any of his childhood acquaintances, neighbors, etc? She needs to berate him with particular words and phrases that his father used to use towards him…

Better than inadequate: impotent.

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dangerman  Sep 22, 2016 • 1:46:42pm

re: #80 goddamnedfrank

And if they don’t Clinton can say something like “Listen Lester, I know Trump publicly warned you not to fact check his lies and you’re apparently too scared by that implicit threat to stand up for your own journalistic integrity, but your job is to faithfully inform the public. The truth matters and here it is …”

i am sure they are working on this though less in-everyones-face antagonistic - more like the same words without the commentary

“Listen Lester, I know Trump publicly warned you not to fact check his lies. The truth matters and here it is …”

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ObserverArt  Sep 22, 2016 • 1:47:14pm

re: #91 EPR-radar

Even if this were true (which it isn’t), how does it amount to an excuse to vote Trump or 3rd party in this election? You are either with Trump and the GOP or against them, and if you’re against them, why half-ass the job?

Protest vote. Ask ‘em, they will tell you. I see that thinking in a lot of places. They are pissed they didn’t get Bernie and they are gonna show the party.

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William Lewis  Sep 22, 2016 • 1:47:35pm

re: #100 HappyWarrior

She Stole the Primaries, Man! No way more people voted for her!

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dangerman  Sep 22, 2016 • 1:48:13pm

re: #108 ObserverArt

Protest vote. Ask ‘em, they will tell you. I see that thinking in a lot of places. They are pissed they didn’t get Bernie and they are gonna show the party.

yup. selfish and infantile political thinking

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HappyWarrior  Sep 22, 2016 • 1:48:31pm

re: #108 ObserverArt

Protest vote. Ask ‘em, they will tell you. I see that thinking in a lot of places. They are pissed they didn’t get Bernie and they are gonna show the party.

What pisses me off about those types is they’re going to be the first to be pissed off if we can’t stop everything Trump wants to do. Reminds me of the Nader voters in 2000. They called Gore no better than Bush and yet they were upset when Bush started showing how he’d be different than Gore.

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sagehen  Sep 22, 2016 • 1:49:01pm

re: #95 Belafon

Clinton should see if Mark Cuban will sit in the audience for the debates.

Right next to Michael Bloomberg. They should whisper to each other throughout, and point and giggle.

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gocart mozart  Sep 22, 2016 • 1:49:15pm
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dangerman  Sep 22, 2016 • 1:49:45pm

re: #111 HappyWarrior

What pisses me off about those types is they’re going to be the first to be pissed off if we can’t stop everything Trump wants to do. Reminds me of the Nader voters in 2000. They called Gore no better than Bush and yet they were upset when Bush started showing how he’d be different than Gore.

some will be because they dont recognize the political silliness of their action

others are all for the tear it all down to send the message so we can rebuild it thing

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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 22, 2016 • 1:50:14pm

re: #69 Dr. Matt

Glenn Greenwald
Glenn Beck
Glenn Reynolds

Glenn = Asshole?

I’m starting to see a trend that is reaching sufficient evidence for causation.

Glenn Close?

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dangerman  Sep 22, 2016 • 1:51:03pm

re: #95 Belafon

Clinton should see if Mark Cuban will sit in the audience for the debates.

re: #112 sagehen

Right next to Michael Bloomberg. They should whisper to each other throughout, and point and giggle.

you all are just meanies

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ObserverArt  Sep 22, 2016 • 1:51:25pm

re: #100 HappyWarrior

Exactly. He lost. No amount of complaining or calling Clinton a crypto-Republican will change that the vast majority of registered Democrats preferred Clinton as the Democratic nominee over Bernie.

What good does being right have to do with crazy thinking? The issue is there are many Sanders supporters that do feel this way. They are saying they are voting for Johnson as a protest and they are perfectly willing to blow the election Trumps way even if it means bad stuff for years.

I caution we must not overlook the realities of the thinking. Remember Nader.

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sagehen  Sep 22, 2016 • 1:51:43pm

BREAKING NEWS just on MSNBC…

The Tulsa cop has been charged with manslaughter.

Score one (or at least 1/2) for the good guys.

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allegro  Sep 22, 2016 • 1:52:13pm

re: #116 dangerman

you all are just meanies

Psy-ops, man.

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Stanley Sea  Sep 22, 2016 • 1:52:54pm

re: #106 allegro

Better than inadequate: impotent.

Darth would lose his mind.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 22, 2016 • 1:53:06pm

re: #118 sagehen

BREAKING NEWS just on MSNBC…

The Tulsa cop has been charged with manslaughter.

Score one (or at least 1/2) for the good guys.

I’m pleasantly surprised that there’s been a charge at least.

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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 22, 2016 • 1:53:10pm

re: #84 sagehen

She needs to find a reason to laugh in his face. Repeatedly. And her critique of his abilities must include the word “inadequate”. Deplorable.

ETA: sudden thought… has her research staff tracked down any of his childhood acquaintances, neighbors, etc? She needs to berate him with particular words and phrases that his father used to use towards him…

I am pretty certain that Fred called Donny “Dummy!” “Loser!” and “Sad!” very frequently.

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gwangung  Sep 22, 2016 • 1:53:22pm

re: #121 HappyWarrior

I’m pleasantly surprised that there’s been a charge at least.

At least one this soon.

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Stanley Sea  Sep 22, 2016 • 1:54:30pm

re: #123 gwangung

At least one this soon.

So the PCP defense might just be a pile of BS.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 22, 2016 • 1:55:00pm

re: #123 gwangung

At least one this soon.

Yeah. Just feel awful for the family.

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Dr. Matt  Sep 22, 2016 • 1:55:39pm

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Stanley Sea  Sep 22, 2016 • 1:55:43pm
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dangerman  Sep 22, 2016 • 1:56:25pm

re: #117 ObserverArt

What good does being right have to do with crazy thinking? The issue is there are many Sanders supporters that do feel this way. They are saying they are voting for Johnson as a protest and they are perfectly willing to blow the election Trumps way even if it means bad stuff for years.

I caution we must not overlook the realities of the thinking. Remember Nader.

your caution is real and noteworthy.

imo, that sort of un-critical thinking cannot be saved. those people are lost and not worth the effort. they are working on a non-political, non-logical level that cannot be reached with logical and political discussion

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Targetpractice  Sep 22, 2016 • 1:56:57pm

re: #118 sagehen

BREAKING NEWS just on MSNBC…

The Tulsa cop has been charged with manslaughter.

Score one (or at least 1/2) for the good guys.

Within a week of the shooting, not only did they release all available video of the shooting, they also moved to charge the officer.

Meanwhile, in Charlotte the police chief has stated he would need a “compelling reason” to release any of the camera footage of Keith Scott’s shooting, but we have to take it on faith that they’re telling the truth.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 22, 2016 • 1:57:03pm

re: #127 Stanley Sea

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But isn’t Colin Kaepernick just the worst for not kneeling?

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jaunte  Sep 22, 2016 • 1:58:22pm

re: #130 HappyWarrior

It would really confuse conservatives if players began kneeling to pray during the national anthem.

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gwangung  Sep 22, 2016 • 1:58:37pm

re: #129 Targetpractice

Within a week of the shooting, not only did they release all available video of the shooting, they also moved to charge the officer.

Meanwhile, in Charlotte the police chief has stated he would need a “compelling reason” to release any of the camera footage of Keith Scott’s shooting, but we have to take it on faith that they’re telling the truth.

Must take ‘em that long to find somebody competent enough to alter the video footage…

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HappyWarrior  Sep 22, 2016 • 1:58:54pm

re: #131 jaunte

It would really confuse conservatives if players began kneeling to pray during the national anthem.

Well given how past conservatives viewed MLK…….

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ObserverArt  Sep 22, 2016 • 1:59:23pm

re: #128 dangerman

your caution is real and noteworthy.

imo, that sort of un-critical thinking cannot be saved. those people are lost and not worth the effort. they are working on a non-political, non-logical level that cannot be reached with logical and political discussion

I agree. Like Belafon said above. It is just another reason to get the Hillary supporters out. The threat of another Nader-like election is a good motivator.

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gocart mozart  Sep 22, 2016 • 2:02:27pm
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Targetpractice  Sep 22, 2016 • 2:03:28pm

re: #132 gwangung

Must take ‘em that long to find somebody competent enough to alter the video footage…

The police chief’s on record as being opposed to body cameras, to the point that he’s basically turned the law on its ear by saying that any video recorded is part of a cop’s “personnel record” and thus cannot be released to the public.

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gocart mozart  Sep 22, 2016 • 2:03:58pm
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Stanley Sea  Sep 22, 2016 • 2:04:14pm

Well shit

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philosophus invidius  Sep 22, 2016 • 2:05:15pm

re: #129 Targetpractice

I’d like to see Trump Jr. explain how his skittles analogy doesn’t apply to cops.

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allegro  Sep 22, 2016 • 2:05:35pm

re: #128 dangerman

your caution is real and noteworthy.

imo, that sort of un-critical thinking cannot be saved. those people are lost and not worth the effort. they are working on a non-political, non-logical level that cannot be reached with logical and political discussion

While I agree to a point… a person who can make a difference with such a closed mind-set is one who is influential with the person, i.e. a buddy, respected boss, SO, etc. who may not be as closed to logic and facts. While we (or Hillary or other) could never break through the brick head, that influential person may be able to. That means it’s still worth talking to everyone because we never know who someone we can bring around will bring with them.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 22, 2016 • 2:05:49pm

re: #138 Stanley Sea

Well shit

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Horrifying. We really need to take a deep look at how policing is down in this country and it’s not going to get done by acting like criticism of the police is akin to attacking the police.

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CuriousLurker  Sep 22, 2016 • 2:10:01pm

re: #138 Stanley Sea

Well shit

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I couldn’t watch it past the part where she started screaming. Ugh.

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Patricia Kayden  Sep 22, 2016 • 2:12:42pm

re: #28 The Vicious Babushka

Wingnuts are losing their shit because Clinton said “I should be 50 points ahead of Trump”

She’s right. This should be a landslide election given how blatantly unqualified and bigoted Trump is. I’m shocked that it’s still so close. Scary.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 22, 2016 • 2:13:37pm

re: #143 Patricia Kayden

She’s right. This should be a landslide election given how blatantly unqualified and bigoted Trump is. I’m shocked that it’s still so close. Scary.

Indeed. Trump is probably the most uniquely unqualified person to seek the office. It’s more than just his total lack of experience, it’s everything about the dickhead.

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philosophus invidius  Sep 22, 2016 • 2:15:31pm

re: #135 gocart mozart

To be fair, the Nazi story says that all Jews are poisonous. Trump Jr. says that only some “skittles” are poisonous (but we should let the rest suffer and die, just to be on the safe side).

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petesh  Sep 22, 2016 • 2:18:08pm

re: #107 dangerman

i am sure they are working on this though less in-everyones-face antagonistic - more like the same words without the commentary

“Listen Lester, I know Trump publicly warned you not to fact check his lies. The truth matters and here it is …”

Leave Lester out of it, leave the word lies out of it:

“Mr Trump, the truth matters and this is it: …”

If Trump tries to come back at the same point:

“No, no, that’s not true.”

And stick to that. It’ll drive him nuts. What he wants is to be called a liar, so he can yell back. He’ll out-yell her. But he cannot out-argue her.

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Stanley Sea  Sep 22, 2016 • 2:19:26pm
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electrotek  Sep 22, 2016 • 2:19:51pm

Would right-wingers be quick to support this driver running down these protesters with his life in danger?

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Dr. Lexus  Sep 22, 2016 • 2:20:32pm

Clinton leads Trump by three points in Wisconsin

The bad news for Hillary Clinton in Wisconsin is that her lead over Donald Trump is uncomfortably narrow in a state her party has been winning for decades.

The bad news for Trump is that he remains chronically behind here, even after tightening the gap with Clinton nationally.

Clinton leads Trump by three points among likely voters in a new poll by the Marquette University Law School.

She has 41%, followed by Trump at 38%, Libertarian Gary Johnson at 11% and Green Party candidate Jill Stein at 2%.

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dangerman  Sep 22, 2016 • 2:21:35pm

re: #131 jaunte

It would really confuse conservatives if players began kneeling to pray during the national anthem.

there was a guy kneeling and had his hand over his heart - does one cancel out the other?

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HappyWarrior  Sep 22, 2016 • 2:21:42pm

re: #149 baski deploribus derpum

Clinton leads Trump by three points in Wisconsin

I think Trump may just have a ceiling of support. Could be wrong.

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dangerman  Sep 22, 2016 • 2:24:31pm

re: #140 allegro

While I agree to a point… a person who can make a difference with such a closed mind-set is one who is influential with the person, i.e. a buddy, respected boss, SO, etc. who may not be as closed to logic and facts. While we (or Hillary or other) could never break through the brick head, that influential person may be able to. That means it’s still worth talking to everyone because we never know who someone we can bring around will bring with them.

you are right. and eloquent.

i tend to think on the macro scale

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 22, 2016 • 2:25:41pm

re: #144 HappyWarrior

Indeed. Trump is probably the most uniquely unqualified person to seek the office. It’s more than just his total lack of experience, it’s everything about the dickhead.

Our electoral news coverage is set up to present candidates who are similarly qualified but differ in their policies and legislative/administrative backgrounds.

Those criteria do not apply to this election, and the news media know that if they were at all objective, there would be no story to cover at all.

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dangerman  Sep 22, 2016 • 2:25:53pm

re: #146 petesh

Leave Lester out of it, leave the word lies out of it:

“Mr Trump, the truth matters and this is it: …”

If Trump tries to come back at the same point:

“No, no, that’s not true.”

And stick to that. It’ll drive him nuts. What he wants is to be called a liar, so he can yell back. He’ll out-yell her. But he cannot out-argue her.

yes, better

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dangerman  Sep 22, 2016 • 2:26:31pm

re: #137 gocart mozart

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well if we have to suspend rational standards and historical memory, we will

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 22, 2016 • 2:28:25pm

re: #154 dangerman

yes, better

It does not matter; Hillary will be attacked in the press for being rude, cruel and mean if she does not accept DTs lies unquestioningly - just like the press does.

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gocart mozart  Sep 22, 2016 • 2:31:13pm

re: #145 philosophus invidius

Good point, Donald Trump Jr. is slightly better than a real Nazi.

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dangerman  Sep 22, 2016 • 2:37:00pm

re: #143 Patricia Kayden

She’s right. This should be a landslide election given how blatantly unqualified and bigoted Trump is. I’m shocked that it’s still so close. Scary.

she was addressing a labor union.

she was implying something about the unbalanced coverage she was getting, and then explicitly asked them to mobilize:

“Well the choice for working families has never been clearer,” she continued. “I need your help to get Donald Trump’s record out to everybody. Nobody should be fooled. Clinton stated that Trump “proudly declared himself 100 percent right-to-work.”

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KGxvi  Sep 22, 2016 • 2:38:15pm

re: #144 HappyWarrior

Indeed. Trump is probably the most uniquely unqualified person to seek the office. It’s more than just his total lack of experience, it’s everything about the dickhead.

Trying to think about other unqualified persons seeking the office in my life time. The GOP always used to have some crazy also rans who never held office before, guys like Gary Bauer, Steve Forbes, and Alan Keyes. Ross Perot in 1992 wasn’t really qualified, even though he had a lot of support before showing he was crazy. On the Democratic side, maybe Jesse Jackson in 1988? Of course, the Republicans I mentioned never had a real chance to win. And I’m not sure about how viable Jackson really was in ‘88.

Perot is probably the closest comparison. There was a real populist undercurrent in American politics in 1992 and Perot was able to tap into that. He had no political experience and ran as a businessman who could fix government.

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dangerman  Sep 22, 2016 • 2:40:32pm

re: #156 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

It does not matter; Hillary will be attacked in the press for being rude, cruel and mean if she does not accept DTs lies unquestioningly - just like the press does.

well you can discuss (disagree) over whose tax plan would cost more (hers 200b 10 yrs, his 5-6T 10 yrs)

and you can discuss whether the “real” unemployment rate is 4.xx 14.xx or 44.xx

you cant really discuss whether its true that russia annexed crimea in 2014.

i have supreme confidence she is working on the framing of those sorts of “differences”

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dangerman  Sep 22, 2016 • 2:41:13pm

re: #159 KGxvi

Trying to think about other unqualified persons seeking the office in my life time. The GOP always used to have some crazy also rans who never held office before, guys like Gary Bauer, Steve Forbes, and Alan Keyes. Ross Perot in 1992 wasn’t really qualified, even though he had a lot of support before showing he was crazy. On the Democratic side, maybe Jesse Jackson in 1988? Of course, the Republicans I mentioned never had a real chance to win. And I’m not sure about how viable Jackson really was in ‘88.

Perot is probably the closest comparison. There was a real populist undercurrent in American politics in 1992 and Perot was able to tap into that. He had no political experience and ran as a businessman who could fix government.

pat paulsen

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 22, 2016 • 2:44:40pm

re: #161 dangerman

pat paulsen

he never lied to us about anything

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goddamnedfrank  Sep 22, 2016 • 2:45:40pm

re: #159 KGxvi

Trying to think about other unqualified persons seeking the office in my life time. The GOP always used to have some crazy also rans who never held office before, guys like Gary Bauer, Steve Forbes, and Alan Keyes. Ross Perot in 1992 wasn’t really qualified, even though he had a lot of support before showing he was crazy. On the Democratic side, maybe Jesse Jackson in 1988? Of course, the Republicans I mentioned never had a real chance to win. And I’m not sure about how viable Jackson really was in ‘88.

Perot is probably the closest comparison. There was a real populist undercurrent in American politics in 1992 and Perot was able to tap into that. He had no political experience and ran as a businessman who could fix government.

Pat Buchanan actually had political experience working for Nixon and Reagan, but his open racism, anti-semitism and Holocaust denial puts him in the category of wholly unqualified presidential candidates.

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petesh  Sep 22, 2016 • 2:45:55pm

IIRC, Ike was such a political unknown that both parties wanted to nominate him. You could also argue that both parties would have been right. He had run an enormous, multinational coalition for several years, of course, but he always had a boss, and no one really knew what his politics would be. Fortunately for him, he ran in an era where there was widespread consensus on many issues. And his Supreme Court helped.

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CuriousLurker  Sep 22, 2016 • 2:50:01pm

E gad, how was I not following this woman before? She posted quite an eye-opening series of tweets in December 2014 about the police and racism. I tried to embed the Storify version, but it crashed my browser every time I attempted to preview the comment, possibly because it’s a very long tweetstorm.

It’s well worth your time if you have few minutes to spare for an important topic, especially the parts about slave patrols & slave codes and their historical links to policing.

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dangerman  Sep 22, 2016 • 2:50:05pm

re: #162 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

he never lied to us about anything

well we were talking “unqualified”

guy couldnt make a speech ///

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makeitstop  Sep 22, 2016 • 2:50:16pm

re: #160 dangerman

well you can discuss (disagree) over whose tax plan would cost more (hers 200b 10 yrs, his 5-6T 10 yrs)

and you can discuss whether the “real” unemployment rate is 4.xx 14.xx or 44.xx

you cant really discuss whether its true that russia annexed crimea in 2014.

i have supreme confidence she is working on the framing of those sorts of “differences”

I believe that Clinton’s got the edge going in, even when you put experience and knowledge aside.

How many women do you think have really stood up and challenged Trump in his lifetime? And how many of those was he simply able to dismiss or fire without having to even deal with them?

Clinton will be well-coached to go straight for his weaknesses, and he will not be able to walk away from it. He might talk a lot of trash after the fact, but I wouldn’t be surprised if he completely chokes when a woman gets - and stays - in his face for 90 minutes.

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dangerman  Sep 22, 2016 • 2:51:15pm

re: #167 makeitstop

I believe that Clinton’s got the edge going in, even when you put experience and knowledge aside.

How many women do you think have really stood up and challenged Trump in his lifetime? And how many of those was he simply able to dismiss or fire without having to even deal with them?

Clinton will be well-coached to go straight for his weaknesses, and he will not be able to walk away from it. He might talk a lot of trash after the fact, but I wouldn’t be surprised if he completely chokes when a woman gets - and stays - in his face for 90 minutes.

yup

and on that, i’m out

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ObserverArt  Sep 22, 2016 • 2:52:50pm

re: #160 dangerman

well you can discuss (disagree) over whose tax plan would cost more (hers 200b 10 yrs, his 5-6T 10 yrs)

and you can discuss whether the “real” unemployment rate is 4.xx 14.xx or 44.xx

you cant really discuss whether its true that russia annexed crimea in 2014.

i have supreme confidence she is working on the framing of those sorts of “differences”

I’m going of the fact that Hillary is all about the facts. She is a political junkie…probably knows more minutia and history than her husband…surly more than most politicians and obviously way more than Trump and it appears Gary Johnson.

One problem though might be some people might see that as an issue. There are many out there that have eyes that glaze over and then would say she is just a politician.

I have no problem with a President being a wonk. Since the office is all about being an executive having a deep knowledge of everything political should be a plus. We don’t need more Reagans and W Bushes…it allows those under them to go rogue.

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Dr. Matt  Sep 22, 2016 • 3:01:28pm

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CuriousLurker  Sep 22, 2016 • 3:04:50pm

From the very last paragraph in the last link in my #165, about racism and it’s historical links to policing:

The use of patrols to capture runaway slaves was one of the precursors of formal police forces, especially in the South. This disastrous legacy persisted as an element of the police role even after the passage of the Civil Rights Act of 1964. In some cases, police harassment simply meant people of African descent were more likely to be stopped and questioned by the police, while at the other extreme, they have suffered beatings, and even murder, at the hands of White police. Questions still arise today about the disproportionately high numbers of people of African descent killed, beaten, and arrested by police in major urban cities of America.

plsonline.eku.edu

I feel ill.

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sagehen  Sep 22, 2016 • 3:19:00pm

re: #164 petesh

IIRC, Ike was such a political unknown that both parties wanted to nominate him. You could also argue that both parties would have been right. He had run an enormous, multinational coalition for several years, of course, but he always had a boss, and no one really knew what his politics would be. Fortunately for him, he ran in an era where there was widespread consensus on many issues. And his Supreme Court helped.

There were clues.

Training the Tuskegee Airmen, the airplanes assigned to them and the kind of missions they were assigned, when some of his staff didn’t believe black people would be capable and qualified. Meticulously documenting what was found at the concentration camps, and dragging German and Polish villagers through to make sure they couldn’t deny it happened and couldn’t pretend they didn’t know. Giving the 442nd (the nisei division) some of the toughest assignments, and making sure they got all the medals and honors and public credit. Ordering infantry divisions to support and/or stay out of the way of the Art Preservation unit, trying whenever possibly to point artillery away from the cathedrals.

There was a degree of cultural sensitivity applied to his strategy, even when it made military objectives more difficult.

And the level of diplomacy required to work with so many countries, and coordinate with behind-the-lines resistance movements…

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EPR-radar  Sep 22, 2016 • 3:26:55pm

re: #163 goddamnedfrank

Pat Buchanan actually had political experience working for Nixon and Reagan, but his open racism, anti-semitism and Holocaust denial puts him in the category of wholly unqualified presidential candidates.

It has been said the Trump is Pat Buchanan with better timing, and that seems correct to me.

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petesh  Sep 22, 2016 • 3:26:56pm

re: #172 sagehen

Yeah, but those clues would (nowadays at least) point to Ike running as a Democrat!

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stpaulbear  Sep 22, 2016 • 4:53:14pm

re: #136 Targetpractice

The police chief’s on record as being opposed to body cameras, to the point that he’s basically turned the law on its ear by saying that any video recorded is part of a cop’s “personnel record” and thus cannot be released to the public.

Isn’t that part of a new state law passed when conservatives took all branches of state government in NC? I thin k it’s out of the chief’s hands.

I remember reading that somewhere this week but I haven’t found the link yet. Still looking.


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