The Bob & Chez Show: Librarian From Outer Space

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Today’s program from our podcasting affiliate, The Bob & Chez Show:

Librarian from Outer Space: Ben Cohen from The Daily Banter fills in for Chez; The Terence Crutcher Shooting in Tulsa; Systemic issues behind police shootings; Tusla officer’s excuse; Instapundit Suspended from Twitter; The protest in Charlotte; Trump wants to deny constitutional rights to prisoners; Michelle Obama’s impression of President Obama; Arresting Journalists; The dangerous Jill Stein voters; Trump’s national stop and frisk plan; and more.

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292 comments
1
FormerDirtDart  Sep 23, 2016 • 8:34:49am

The Trump puppet looks more like Lou Dobbs to me.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 23, 2016 • 8:38:47am

re: #1 FormerDirtDart

Here are Avenue Q’s Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump puppets (Muppets?)]

DT is not orange enough

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Belafon  Sep 23, 2016 • 8:41:21am

I missed this part: The Clinton campaign invited Cuban to the debate (h/t Daily Kos):

Mark Cuban, the owner of the Dallas Mavericks, was invited by the Clinton campaign to sit in the front row at Monday night’s debate.

“Just got a front row seat to watch @HillaryClinton overwhelm @realDonaldTrump at the “Humbling at Hofstra” on Monday,” Cuban tweeted. “It Is On!”

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ObserverArt  Sep 23, 2016 • 8:49:36am

Uh oh…we’re gonna have to work to prove “The Election Prediction Professor” wrong!

(I think we’ve talked about this guy before have we not? And if I remember, many times his predictions came true after the fact)

WaPo - Trump is headed for a win, says professor who has predicted 30 years of presidential outcomes correctly

Nobody knows for certain who will win on Nov. 8 — but one man is pretty sure: Professor Allan Lichtman, who has correctly predicted every presidential election since 1984.

When we sat down in May, he explained how he comes to a decision. Lichtman’s prediction isn’t based on horse-race polls, shifting demographics or his own political opinions. Rather, he uses a system of true/false statements he calls the “Keys to the White House” to determine his predicted winner.

And this year, he says, Donald Trump is the favorite to win.

The keys, which are explained in depth in Lichtman’s book “Predicting the Next President: The Keys to the White House 2016” are:

1. Party Mandate: After the midterm elections, the incumbent party holds more seats in the U.S. House of Representatives than after the previous midterm elections.

2. Contest: There is no serious contest for the incumbent party nomination.

3. Incumbency: The incumbent party candidate is the sitting president.

4. Third party: There is no significant third party or independent campaign.

5. Short-term economy: The economy is not in recession during the election campaign.

6. Long-term economy: Real per capita economic growth during the term equals or exceeds mean growth during the previous two terms.

7. Policy change: The incumbent administration effects major changes in national policy.

8. Social unrest: There is no sustained social unrest during the term.

9. Scandal: The incumbent administration is untainted by major scandal.

10. Foreign/military failure: The incumbent administration suffers no major failure in foreign or military affairs.

11. Foreign/military success: The incumbent administration achieves a major success in foreign or military affairs.

12. Incumbent charisma: The incumbent party candidate is charismatic or a national hero.

13. Challenger charisma: The challenging party candidate is not charismatic or a national hero.

Lichtman, a distinguished professor of history at American University, sat down with The Fix this week to reveal who he thinks will win in November and why 2016 was the most difficult election to predict yet. Our conversation has been lightly edited for length and clarity.

- - CUT - - (He explains his points in the full article)

Time to start worrying! < I saw this posted elsewhere. The person posting it has been thumping on Hillary with all kinds of scary news articles about polls, millennials, concerns about people of color actually voting no matter how much the polls say they hate Trump, etc., etc.

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Barefoot Grin  Sep 23, 2016 • 8:51:19am

My friend just now on FB: “I’m going to keep a pile of ukuleles by the stove this winter. When it gets cold I’ll just toss them in: it’ll keep me warm and improve the sonic environment of the universe.”

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 23, 2016 • 8:55:30am

re: #4 ObserverArt

Uh oh…we’re gonna have to work to prove “The Election Prediction Professor” wrong!

(I think we’ve talked about this guy before have we not? And if I remember, many times his predictions came true after the fact)

WaPo - Trump is headed for a win, says professor who has predicted 30 years of presidential outcomes correctly

Time to start worrying! < I saw this posted elsewhere. The person posting it has been thumping on Hillary with all kinds of scary news articles about polls, millennials, concerns about people of color actually voting no matter how much the polls say they hate Trump, etc., etc.

There are almost no metrics from any recent election that apply to Trump. That is my sole solace. I am certain that a lot of people who say they support DT to pollsters are going to have a long, hard think before they cast their actual votes.

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Barefoot Grin  Sep 23, 2016 • 8:59:04am

re: #6 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

There are almost no metrics from any recent election that apply to Trump. That is my sole solace. I am certain that a lot of people who say they support DT to pollsters are going to have a long, hard think before they cast their actual votes.

When I see all the Trump signs around here I get a bit down. Until I remember that this state has a history of electing Democratic Party women to major positions at both state and national level. Here the problem will be whether the Berniebros come around.

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dangerman  Sep 23, 2016 • 9:00:12am

re: #4 ObserverArt

i cant read the article so

does he explain exactly the path to 270?

or is this just the reason why he’s gonna get more votes which will translate into electoral votes?

if he doesnt explain the path, then he is just doing a trump -
saying lots of stuff that has no meaning or bearing on the discussion

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lawhawk  Sep 23, 2016 • 9:00:18am

So, it’s now T-3 before the first debate. Ooooh. Whatever will the pundits discuss this weekend? How Trump’s been preparing his entire life for this moment, being a tv personality? Or how Clinton can’t manage to prepare for Trump because Trump is so unpredictable?

There’s actually a predictable amount of bullshit spewed by people who should know better.

Trump will perform much as he did in the primaries - lying his ass off. He’ll try to get a few signature lines in, but if you hit him squarely on his lies, he comes off as a buffoon. He lacks the gravitas, let alone the character and judgment people want in a president (though note his supporters think the lack of character and judgment is a positive).

Clinton’s dealt with people like this her entire life. Trump’s just another in a long line of people who don’t think much of women, and she knows how to deal with them.

Senator Rick Lazio couldn’t be reached for comment.

The biggest difference between Clinton and Trump’s GOP opponents is that Clinton doesn’t need Trump’s supporters to win. She has to convince moderates and independents that Trump is antithetical to their - and our - national interests. She can highlight his bigot brigade, as a massive shortcoming to his character and judgment and not worry that she might offend people that she needs to win (unlike the GOP primaries, where Jeb, Rubio, Cruz, etc., all needed to win over Trump voters if they wanted a chance to win the nomination). Different constituencies involved.

Trump has to hope that the moderator doesn’t call him on his BS, because it’d happen early and often - though Trump will then spin and attempts to real-time fact check as everyone in the media opposing Trump - the righteous indignation claim that will further entrench the bigot brigade’s and ignorant GOP view of the media.

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dangerman  Sep 23, 2016 • 9:04:51am

re: #9 lawhawk

Clinton’s dealt with people like this her entire life. Trump’s just another in a long line of people who don’t think much of women, and she knows how to deal with them.

she’s been in the room
“the” room and a lot of other rooms where she’s met, negotiated, and dealt with people way more dangerous and deft than trump

she’ll crush him in the handshake and itll be all downhill from there
(ok maybe this last part was a bit hyperbolic)

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Timothy Watson  Sep 23, 2016 • 9:05:26am

I do enjoy how Trump’s e-mails are still going to my Gmail spam folder.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Sep 23, 2016 • 9:05:51am

re: #10 dangerman

she’s been in the room
“the” room and a lot of other rooms where she’s met, negotiated, and dealt with people way more dangerous and deft than trump

she’ll crush him in the handshake and itll be all downhill from there
(ok maybe this last part was a bit hyperbolic)

Hey, Hillary can open pickle jars. She’s gotta good grip!

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Interesting Times  Sep 23, 2016 • 9:05:54am

re: #8 dangerman

if he doesnt explain the path, then he is just doing a trump -
saying lots of stuff that has no meaning or bearing on the discussion

This dKos comment thread explains it fairly well, I think.

I am well aware of Lichtman and his approach. He is not alone in attempting to have a model that allows one to make a determination solely on the basis of “data” and “facts” independent of what is happening on the ground. His model has a high degree of correlation with previous elections, but first, correlation does not necessarily mean causation, and second, the country has been increasingly bitterly divided in a way we have not seen I would argue in more than a century.

…as well as:

One of his “keys” is assuming Johnson will get over 5% of the vote. If you dont believe that his model would predict a Clinton victory.

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Mattand  Sep 23, 2016 • 9:06:52am

re: #1 FormerDirtDart

The Trump puppet looks more like Lou Dobbs to me.

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Well, both guys hate Mexicans about the same, so it’s probably a wash.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 23, 2016 • 9:07:06am

re: #10 dangerman

s

she’ll crush him in the handshake and itll be all downhill from there
(ok maybe this last part was a bit hyperbolic)

Regardless, she will get taken down by the media for being mean and nasty for not just rolling over and accepting DT’s lies, hyperbole and empty statements as if they had any substance or merit to them.

Which is exactly what the media have been doing all year.

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William Lewis  Sep 23, 2016 • 9:12:33am

re: #13 Interesting Times

…as well as:
One of his “keys” is assuming Johnson will get over 5% of the vote. If you dont believe that his model would predict a Clinton victory.

This also seems to presume that increasing Johnson’s votes would take from Clinton rather than Trump? I really don’t see that. The most likely Johnson voters are going to be Republican’s who can’t stomach how overt Trump’s racism is (wanting it to be genteel like Johnson’s…).

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Mattand  Sep 23, 2016 • 9:13:35am

re: #9 lawhawk

I’m not saying anything that smarter people than me have already said, but let’s face it; Trump is going to be declared the winner if he just simply stands up there and doesn’t smear feces all over himself.

In fact, I’ll go even further and say that the first two debates will be declared draws and Trump will “win” the third one, since it’s going to be hosted by Fox News’s Chris Wallace.

Again, if Trump just stands there and tones it down, he’s got this in the bag. And the fucking idiot voters in the country are going to look at that and go, “Wow, he really knows his stuff!”

The fucking double standard the press has been applying to HRC has been infuriating.

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Skip Intro  Sep 23, 2016 • 9:13:44am

It’s all over now for Trump.

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CuriousLurker  Sep 23, 2016 • 9:15:05am

Whoa, just learned something new from the BBC while reading an article about a transgender couple in Ecuador:

• As of July 2016, 23 countries in Europe, including France, Switzerland and Finland, require sterilisation in order for a person to be legally recognised as trans […]

bbc.com

So much for European open-mindedness & French égalité, huh? 😐

Below is the map they used as reference:

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mmmirele  Sep 23, 2016 • 9:18:44am

The Great Orange Satan is promoting an article where the writer talks about administering the “death penalty” to my evil too big to fail employer:

Wells Fargo Must Die

I let the writer have it:

Blergh. This is a “not all Wells Fargo employees” rant. I’ve been reading Daily Kos since forever (in fact, I have a three digit membership number), and will continue to do so. When you talk about administering the “death penalty” to a big company like Wells Fargo, I don’t believe you’re thinking at all of those of us who work for the company. I regularly refer to WF as my evil, too big to fail employer, which is half a tease and half reality. However, when you post things like this, you fail to recognize that there are thousands upon thousands of us who go in every day and do our jobs. I do a damned good job as a systems analyst investigating computing failures and making recommendations on how to keep these issues from reoccurring, thank you very much. We are not all evil bankers and I wish DKos was a bit more sophisticated!

and

I don’t think you’ve even begun to consider the cost of breaking up WF. It’s not just a matter of moving some branches and businesses to one succeeding entity, and then others over *there* and more to that group, and so on and so forth. It would involve breaking up an entire back-end infrastructure of thousands of related servers, midrange and mainframe computers, appliances, networks, etc., etc., etc. I am quite sure it would cost in the billions to do, and it would not take place overnight, or even within two years. Maybe not even within five years. I’ve been through a few mergers and they don’t happen overnight and they’re a lot of work. Unwinding would be worse, but I see absolutely no consideration here of those financial costs, to say nothing of the human costs.

Seriously, I am getting very, very tired of this purity trip by some progressives. And I know, because I used to be very much a purist. But you know, life and all that requires some compromises.

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CuriousLurker  Sep 23, 2016 • 9:19:29am

re: #19 CuriousLurker

Here’s a link to the backside of the map above. It has a chart with more info, but I couldn’t get it to embed properly.

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gocart mozart  Sep 23, 2016 • 9:24:53am
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Timothy Watson  Sep 23, 2016 • 9:26:20am

re: #22 gocart mozart

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Stupid people are stupid:

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Shiplord Kirel  Sep 23, 2016 • 9:26:21am

The usual suspects are having an ammosexual killgasm over this story (with video) from Georgia:
SEE IT: Georgia woman fatally shoots home invader, sends two accomplices fleeing
On the face of it, this looks like a righteous shoot: The crooks are clearly inside the lady’s home ransacking it, and at least one of them (the dead one in fact) is definitely armed. Oh, well, sucks to be him but this is no excuse for every loon out there to have a gun for mowing down “others” any and everywhere, with no requirement for training or licensing of any kind. Note that the lady shows some obvious skill with the gun, and that means training and experience. Oddly, the NRA will provide the training (which is what they mostly did before they went batshit in the 70s) but they are dead set against any legal requirement for it.

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ObserverArt  Sep 23, 2016 • 9:26:28am

re: #8 dangerman

i cant read the article so

does he explain exactly the path to 270?

or is this just the reason why he’s gonna get more votes which will translate into electoral votes?

if he doesnt explain the path, then he is just doing a trump -
saying lots of stuff that has no meaning or bearing on the discussion

He bases it on this bit about his 13 keys I posted aboove(from the article):

The keys are 13 true/false questions, where an answer of “true” always favors the reelection of the party holding the White House, in this case the Democrats. And the keys are phrased to reflect the basic theory that elections are primarily judgments on the performance of the party holding the White House. And if six or more of the 13 keys are false — that is, they go against the party in power — they lose. If fewer than six are false, the party in power gets four more years.

And then goes on to explain and then actually backs off (see the bold at the end of the article):

We’re a little bit less than seven weeks out from the election today. Who do you predict will win in November?

Based on the 13 keys, it would predict a Donald Trump victory. Remember, six keys and you’re out, and right now the Democrats are out — for sure — five keys.

Key 1 is the party mandate — how well they did in the midterms. They got crushed.

Key number 3 is, the sitting president is not running.

Key number 7, no major policy change in Obama’s second term like the Affordable Care Act.

Key number 11, no major smashing foreign policy success.

And Key number 12, Hillary Clinton is not a Franklin Roosevelt.

One more key and the Democrats are down, and we have the Gary Johnson Key. One of my keys would be that the party in power gets a “false” if a third-party candidate is anticipated to get 5 percent of the vote or more. In his highest polling, Gary Johnson is at about 12 to 14 percent. My rule is that you cut it in half. That would mean that he gets six to seven, and that would be the sixth and final key against the Democrats.

So very, very narrowly, the keys point to a Trump victory. But I would say, more to the point, they point to a generic Republican victory, because I believe that given the unprecedented nature of the Trump candidacy and Trump himself, he could defy all odds and lose even though the verdict of history is in his favor. So this would also suggest, you know, the possibility this election could go either way. Nobody should be complacent, no matter who you’re for, you gotta get out and vote.

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Belafon  Sep 23, 2016 • 9:29:40am

re: #24 Shiplord Kirel

The usual suspects are having an ammosexual killgasm over this story (with video) from Georgia:
SEE IT: Georgia woman fatally shoots home invader, sends two accomplices fleeing
On the face of it, this looks like a righteous shoot: The crooks are clearly inside the lady’s home ransacking it, and at least one of them (the dead one in fact) is definitely armed. Oh, well, sucks to be him but this is no excuse for every loon out there to have a gun for mowing down “others” any and everywhere, with no requirement for training or licensing of any kind. Note that the lady shows some obvious skill with the gun, and that means training and experience. Oddly, the NRA will provide the training (which is what they mostly did before they went batshit in the 70s) but they are dead set against any legal requirement for it.

There have been times when having your seat belt on in a wreck gets you killed. There have been times when being in a crosswalk gets you run over. There have been times when inspected food makes you sick. But I’m not about to repeal those laws.

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dangerman  Sep 23, 2016 • 9:30:40am

re: #13 Interesting Times

This dKos comment thread explains it fairly well, I think.

…as well as:
One of his “keys” is assuming Johnson will get over 5% of the vote. If you dont believe that his model would predict a Clinton victory.

note: i’m not arguing with you

and there are lost smarter people than me im sure commenting on this

still - johnson getting 5% doesnt mean anything unless it can be translated to an electoral map effect - which specific states would he shift from d to r?

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ObserverArt  Sep 23, 2016 • 9:30:52am

re: #16 William Lewis

This also seems to presume that increasing Johnson’s votes would take from Clinton rather than Trump? I really don’t see that. The most likely Johnson voters are going to be Republican’s who can’t stomach how overt Trump’s racism is (wanting it to be genteel like Johnson’s…).

Haven’t you read…it’s the Millennials that are pissed Bernie was screwed by the Democrats and they are running off to smoke some bowls with Johnson. So, that means they are damaging Hillary more.

In some ways that may be the case…but to what degree?

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 23, 2016 • 9:31:20am

re: #24 Shiplord Kirel

The usual suspects are having an ammosexual killgasm over this story (with video) from Georgia:
SEE IT: Georgia woman fatally shoots home invader, sends two accomplices fleeing

There is a big difference between having a gun to defend your home and family and carrying and pulling one out in a public active shooter setting.

But don’t even try to argue. They are convinced that Hillary is going to come for their guns.

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Timothy Watson  Sep 23, 2016 • 9:31:23am

re: #24 Shiplord Kirel

The usual suspects are having an ammosexual killgasm over this story (with video) from Georgia:
SEE IT: Georgia woman fatally shoots home invader, sends two accomplices fleeing
On the face of it, this looks like a righteous shoot: The crooks are clearly inside the lady’s home ransacking it, and at least one of them (the dead one in fact) is definitely armed. Oh, well, sucks to be him but this is no excuse for every loon out there to have a gun for mowing down “others” any and everywhere, with no requirement for training or licensing of any kind. Note that the lady shows some obvious skill with the gun, and that means training and experience. Oddly, the NRA will provide the training (which is what they mostly did before they went batshit in the 70s) but they are dead set against any legal requirement for it.

Didn’t the NRA get fat off of the government largess of the Civilian Marksmanship Program which required training on firearms?

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FormerDirtDart  Sep 23, 2016 • 9:32:21am
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Stanley Sea  Sep 23, 2016 • 9:32:47am

re: #20 mmmirele

Similar when people say shut down the insurance industry. There’s a shit ton of people employed in the industry.

They just don’t think it through.

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CuriousLurker  Sep 23, 2016 • 9:32:50am

re: #23 Timothy Watson

Stupid people are stupid:

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I was thrilled by this bit of news last night. I hope Cuban’s presence thoroughly unnerves the Orange Vulgarian:

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Charles Johnson  Sep 23, 2016 • 9:33:15am
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dangerman  Sep 23, 2016 • 9:34:18am

re: #20 mmmirele

Wells Fargo Must Die
Seriously, I am getting very, very tired of this purity trip by some progressives. And I know, because I used to be very much a purist. But you know, life and all that requires some compromises.

i sometimes wonder if vegans shop at whole foods.
yes i know they are the great satan of whatever market that market is

but they have a meat department so do you not get your veggie chips there?

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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 23, 2016 • 9:35:25am

Trump will Gish Gallop his way through the debates and if he doesn’t get his way, he will knock over the podium and launch himself at Hillary Clinton, hold her down and attempt to shave her head.

The Battle of the Billionaires takes place at WrestleMania

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Shiplord Kirel  Sep 23, 2016 • 9:36:29am

re: #30 Timothy Watson

Didn’t the NRA get fat off of the government largess of the Civilian Marksmanship Program which required training on firearms?

They did indeed. The NRA was originally formed in an effort to improve the then-abysmal level of marksmanship in the US Army. That effort was largely successfully and remained their primary focus until the 1970s.

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Barefoot Grin  Sep 23, 2016 • 9:37:03am

Yesterday there was a post about a guy getting death threats for catching a farm-raised carp in England and the responses here were…well, I hope Hillary comes for your puns.

Aaaaand, I’m outa here.

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CuriousLurker  Sep 23, 2016 • 9:37:10am

ICYMI yesterday:

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dangerman  Sep 23, 2016 • 9:37:20am

re: #32 Stanley Sea

Similar when people say shut down the insurance industry. There’s a shit ton of people employed in the industry.

They just don’t think it through.

shrink “the government” wont put anyone out of work

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Timothy Watson  Sep 23, 2016 • 9:37:45am

re: #35 dangerman

i sometimes wonder if vegans shop at whole foods.
yes i know they are the great satan of whatever market that market is

but they have a meat department so do you not get your veggie chips there?

Or the fact that the owner of Whole Foods is a raging wingnut/glibertarian?

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 23, 2016 • 9:38:11am

re: #36 The Vicious Babushka

Trump will Gish Gallop his way through the debates and if he doesn’t get his way, he will knock over the podium and launch himself at Hillary Clinton, hold her down and attempt to shave her head.

I certainly agree with the first part…he just has to keep shifting the subject so she cannot pin him or get him to openly and blatantly contradict himself.

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Shiplord Kirel  Sep 23, 2016 • 9:38:55am

re: #29 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

There is a big difference between having a gun to defend your home and family and to carrying it and pulling one out in a public active shooter setting.

But don’t even try to argue. They are convinced that Hillary is going to come for their guns.

A freeper spelled it out in the first comment on the same story:

his (sic) is why Hillary wants to ban guns because innocent criminals like this can be shot at when they break into a house.

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dangerman  Sep 23, 2016 • 9:39:49am

re: #42 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I certainly agree with the first part…he just has to keep shifting the subject so she cannot pin him or get him to openly and blatantly contradict himself.

as if she’s never faced that or isnt prepping for it

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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 23, 2016 • 9:40:14am

re: #42 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I certainly agree with the first part…he just has to keep shifting the subject so she cannot pin him or get him to openly and blatantly contradict himself.

Fact checking Donald Trump’s bullshit is like taking a sip from a fire hydrant. He knows the moderator is on a time constraint so he will just double down on the derp until the moderator gives up and moves on. This is his SOP.

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dangerman  Sep 23, 2016 • 9:41:30am

sometimes you just need a few minutes of meaningless, feel good:

Reo Speedwagon - The Unidentified Flying Tuna Trot

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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 23, 2016 • 9:42:20am

Hilary should use “Gonna Fly Now” as her intro music for the debates.

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FormerDirtDart  Sep 23, 2016 • 9:45:05am
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BeachDem  Sep 23, 2016 • 9:45:21am

re: #10 dangerman

she’s been in the room
“the” room and a lot of other rooms where she’s met, negotiated, and dealt with people way more dangerous and deft than trump

she’ll crush him in the handshake and itll be all downhill from there
(ok maybe this last part was a bit hyperbolic)

No one really knows how the
Parties get to yesssss
The pieces that are sacrificed in
Ev’ry game of chesssss
We just assume that it happens
But no one else is in
The room where it happens.

genius.com

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Shiplord Kirel  Sep 23, 2016 • 9:46:43am

Just how different was the NRA in the past?
Karl Frederick, the Olympic gold medalist who served as president of the organization in the 1930s, had this to say during hearings on the National Firearms Act of 1934:

“I have never believed in the general practice of carrying weapons. I seldom carry one. … I do not believe in the general promiscuous toting of guns. I think it should be sharply restricted and only under licenses.”

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ObserverArt  Sep 23, 2016 • 9:48:17am

re: #31 FormerDirtDart

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Wow! That is big. The Cincinnati Enquirer endorses Hillary. May need to protect their building today…could be rioting and looting.

Now, if the Columbus Dispatch endorses Hillary I will know the world is nearing it’s end.

Said it before…I do not think, and I can’t remember if The Dispatch has endorsed a Democrat for President in my voting years since the ‘72 election.

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Lidane  Sep 23, 2016 • 9:48:35am

re: #31 FormerDirtDart

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Charles Johnson  Sep 23, 2016 • 9:48:50am
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MsJ  Sep 23, 2016 • 9:49:09am

re: #6 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

There are almost no metrics from any recent election that apply to Trump. That is my sole solace. I am certain that a lot of people who say they support DT to pollsters are going to have a long, hard think before they cast their actual votes.

I am afraid that is wishful thinking.

I think there may be people who will vote trump but don’t want to admit it.

That we’re having this discussion scares the shit out of me.

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lawhawk  Sep 23, 2016 • 9:51:18am
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Shiplord Kirel  Sep 23, 2016 • 9:51:41am

re: #53 Charles Johnson

Jim Hoft @gatewaypundit
British Paper: Hillary’s Floating Eyeball May Be Sign of Serious Health Issues shar.es via @gatewaypundit

Floating eyeball is a standard ingredient in Halloween punch.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 23, 2016 • 9:51:45am

re: #48 FormerDirtDart

Mariners suspend Steve Clevenger without pay for remainder of the season

It is so hard to be a Free White Man in PC America.

/

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dangerman  Sep 23, 2016 • 9:52:19am

re: #46 dangerman

the nex song that queued up was The Doors, Dead Cats, Dead Rats

prescient lyrics?

Dead cat, dead rat
Can’t you see what they were at?
Fat cat in a top hat
Thinks he’s an aristocrat
Thinks he can kill and slaughter
Thinks he can shoot my daughter

Yeah right! Oh yeah!
Oh right! Yeeah!

Dead cats, dead rats
Think they’re an aristocrat
Crap, now that’s crap!

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wrenchwench  Sep 23, 2016 • 9:52:30am

re: #51 ObserverArt

Wow! That is big. The Cincinnati Enquirer endorses Hillary. May need to protect their building today…could be rioting and looting.

That’s what I get for a quick morning scroll-through. I thought it was The National Enquirer. I was thinking, ‘Middle America, here we come!’

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ObserverArt  Sep 23, 2016 • 9:52:56am

re: #34 Charles Johnson

Charles Johnson ✔ @Green_Footballs
Twitter axiom: people with the word “Truth” in their usernames are almost always total douchebags.
12:29 PM - 23 Sep 2016
4 4 Retweets 27 27 likes

Ain’t that the truth!

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gocart mozart  Sep 23, 2016 • 9:54:18am
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Belafon  Sep 23, 2016 • 9:54:29am

At one point in the debate, Cuban should have his phone out, and right before Trump is about to reply to a question, frantically type on his phone and then do an exaggerated “send” gesture.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 23, 2016 • 9:55:24am

re: #54 MsJ

I am afraid that is wishful thinking.

I think there may be people who will vote trump but don’t want to admit it.

That we’re having this discussion scares the shit out of me.

There are simply no metrics from past elections that apply to this bubbling clusterfuck of a campaign season. Which is why I am crossing my fingers and hoping that reason will prevail.
I am an expat living abroad, I had intended to keep my US citizenship, and I do not want the bureaucratic hassle of changing it, which I will feel compelled to do if DT wins. And yes, it is disquieting that DT has a even an outside chance of winning.

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ObserverArt  Sep 23, 2016 • 9:55:37am

re: #41 Timothy Watson

Or the fact that the owner of Whole Foods is a raging wingnut/glibertarian?

This country is so great it even allows someone to be a wingnut/glibertarian and they do not end up causing any damage.

Now if the whole country thought like some do individually we would be sunk.

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No Country For Old Haters  Sep 23, 2016 • 9:56:56am

We have another millionaire scammer supporting Trump, and dating a woman so horrible she supports misogynists.

gizmodo.com

It should be noted that Luckey partnered with Valve, stole their technology, and produced an inferior system to the Vive. Facebook made him wealthy when they bought this inferior system.

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Lidane  Sep 23, 2016 • 10:01:38am

re: #62 Belafon

At one point in the debate, Cuban should have his phone out, and right before Trump is about to reply to a question, frantically type on his phone and then do an exaggerated “send” gesture.

Cuban won’t be his typical loud, heckling self like he would be at an NBA game, but I’m totally expecting him to roll his eyes, shake his head, or laugh when Trump says something stupid. Anything to knock Donito Cheetolini off his game.

The Twitter tantrums after the fact will be hilarious.

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gocart mozart  Sep 23, 2016 • 10:01:59am

#DukeSatireFest

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BeachDem  Sep 23, 2016 • 10:03:24am

HuffPo Main:
ACCESS OF EVIL: TRUMP REPEATEDLY SUED FOR DISABILITY VIOLATIONS

Article:

At least eight times over the last 19 years, GOP presidential nominee Donald Trump’s properties have been subject to lawsuits for violating the Americans with Disabilities Act, court records show. Additionally, a federal inspection found ADA violations at one of his properties.

huffingtonpost.com

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wrenchwench  Sep 23, 2016 • 10:04:22am

re: #63 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

There are simply no metrics from past elections that apply to this bubbling clusterfuck of a campaign season. Which is why I am crossing my fingers and hoping that reason will prevail.
I am an expat living abroad, I had intended to keep my US citizenship, and I do not want the bureaucratic hassle of changing it, which I will feel compelled to do if DT wins. And yes, it is disquieting that DT has a even an outside chance of winning.

The ‘morning Wendell Zurkowitz wave’ is so much nicer than the ‘morning wingnut wave’ used to be.

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lawhawk  Sep 23, 2016 • 10:05:55am

No, the line will be - we have been investigated more than actual criminals or people accused of more serious crimes, and we’re not going to keep being subjected to being required to testify under oath without getting immunity or else we’d find ourselves in potential perjury traps because of inadvertently responding differently than we have had in the past.

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Belafon  Sep 23, 2016 • 10:07:33am

re: #70 lawhawk

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No, the line will be - we have been investigated more than actual criminals or people accused of more serious crimes, and we’re not going to keep being subjected to being required to testify under oath without getting immunity or else we’d find ourselves in potential perjury traps because of inadvertently responding differently than we have had in the past.

Byron York would never ask for a lawyer if he had to talk to the police. Ever.

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lawhawk  Sep 23, 2016 • 10:07:34am

re: #68 BeachDem

HuffPo Main:
ACCESS OF EVIL: TRUMP REPEATEDLY SUED FOR DISABILITY VIOLATIONS

Article:

At least eight times over the last 19 years, GOP presidential nominee Donald Trump’s properties have been subject to lawsuits for violating the Americans with Disabilities Act, court records show. Additionally, a federal inspection found ADA violations at one of his properties.

huffingtonpost.com

At one point, Trump claimed that he was a friend to the disabled and made sure his buildings were ADA compliant. Of course they were - he was required to under the law. So, it’s not surprising that Trump’s been sued over accessibility issues and violating the ADA.

I’d expect nothing different.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 23, 2016 • 10:07:58am

re: #69 wrenchwench

The ‘morning Wendell Zurkowitz wave’ is so much nicer than the ‘morning wingnut wave’ used to be.

I seem to get on about the time that the US mainland has gone to bed (around 4am EST) and catch up with the previous evening’s thread.

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CuriousLurker  Sep 23, 2016 • 10:09:17am

re: #69 wrenchwench

The ‘morning Wendell Zurkowitz wave’ is so much nicer than the ‘morning wingnut wave’ used to be.

Seconded!

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Stanley Sea  Sep 23, 2016 • 10:09:37am

re: #61 gocart mozart

OMG

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wrenchwench  Sep 23, 2016 • 10:09:52am

re: #73 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I seem to get on about the time that the US mainland has gone to bed (around 4am EST) and catch up with the thread.

Were the old wingnut lizards keeping weird hours? Posting from Europe? I always figured they were early east coast risers.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 23, 2016 • 10:10:23am

re: #76 wrenchwench

Were the old wingnut lizards keeping weird hours? Posting from Europe? I always figured they were early east coast risers.

I am posting on Central European Time

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Jenner7  Sep 23, 2016 • 10:10:25am
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Belafon  Sep 23, 2016 • 10:10:29am

re: #72 lawhawk

At one point, Trump claimed that he was a friend to the disabled and made sure his buildings were ADA compliant. Of course they were - he was required to under the law. So, it’s not surprising that Trump’s been sued over accessibility issues and violating the ADA.

I’d expect nothing different.

One of the chicken companies has been running what I consider to be very good ads. They’re talking about how other companies are advertising how their chicken’s are raised without antibiotics. And the punch line is: Of course they are, the government told everyone to stop doing it.

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BeachDem  Sep 23, 2016 • 10:10:48am

Attention Gary Johnson Hipsters: He Is Nuts

Between Johnson on climate change, and Jill Stein’s conviction that a Republican congress will obstruct a Republican president, the argument for more political parties in this country is not faring well.

esquire.com

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MsJ  Sep 23, 2016 • 10:11:12am

Create yours here: votingbecause.usatoday.com

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wrenchwench  Sep 23, 2016 • 10:12:19am

re: #74 CuriousLurker

Seconded!

I figured that comment would appeal to those who have shed a few skins more so than to relative hatchlings.

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MsJ  Sep 23, 2016 • 10:13:05am

re: #63 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

There are simply no metrics from past elections that apply to this bubbling clusterfuck of a campaign season. Which is why I am crossing my fingers and hoping that reason will prevail.
I am an expat living abroad, I had intended to keep my US citizenship, and I do not want the bureaucratic hassle of changing it, which I will feel compelled to do if DT wins. And yes, it is disquieting that DT has a even an outside chance of winning.

Here’s why I will never renounce my citizenship: I paid a lot into Social Security and that all goes away. I have always made a good salary and pay in at the top end. And fuck the Republican’s for wanting to take that away from all of us.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 23, 2016 • 10:13:05am

re: #82 wrenchwench

I figured that comment would appeal to those who have shed a few skins more so than to relative hatchlings.

I joined here in 2007, right about the time that LGF was shedding its collective skin

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MsJ  Sep 23, 2016 • 10:14:03am

re: #66 Lidane

Cuban won’t be his typical loud, heckling self like he would be at an NBA game, but I’m totally expecting him to roll his eyes, shake his head, or laugh when Trump says something stupid. Anything to knock Donito Cheetolini off his game.

The Twitter tantrums after the fact will be hilarious.

Pointing at his fingers and showing the thumb/forefinger Look How Tiny! sign.

One can only imagine.

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wrenchwench  Sep 23, 2016 • 10:14:30am

re: #77 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I am posting on Central European Time

re: #84 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I joined here in 2007, right about the time that LGF was shedding its collective skin

The ground there isn’t littered with blocked lizards, is it?

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 23, 2016 • 10:14:57am

re: #83 MsJ

Here’s why I will never renounce my citizenship: I paid a lot into Social Security and that all goes away. I have always made a good salary and pay in at the top end. And fuck the Republican’s for wanting to take that away from all of us.

I have not, I just have not seen any reason to renounce it. I will continue to live in Europe as long as my kids (ages 10-18 years) are still here - just across the border in Alsace, France, with their mother, but after they have dispersed I do not know where I might wind up.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 23, 2016 • 10:17:22am

re: #86 wrenchwench

The ground there isn’t littered with blocked lizards, is it?

I joined to have a good argument. Even back then as a conservative site, I found that there still were lots of fairly reasonable arguments to be found here. I was only pleasantly surprised to see how rapidly things turned around.

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Jenner7  Sep 23, 2016 • 10:18:14am

I haven’t watched it. Don’t wanna.

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ObserverArt  Sep 23, 2016 • 10:18:33am

re: #72 lawhawk

At one point, Trump claimed that he was a friend to the disabled and made sure his buildings were ADA compliant. Of course they were - he was required to under the law. So, it’s not surprising that Trump’s been sued over accessibility issues and violating the ADA.

I’d expect nothing different.

Can you imagine how Trump would conduct business if he was allowed to do whatever he wanted?

Thank gawd for federal laws…his buildings would fall over, be blown over or catch fire easliy as some do in some of the more lax nations.

In ways, Trump should be happy, the laws protect him from himself.

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Kragar  Sep 23, 2016 • 10:18:39am
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CuriousLurker  Sep 23, 2016 • 10:18:58am

re: #82 wrenchwench

I figured that comment would appeal to those who have shed a few skins more so than to relative hatchlings.

Yeah, there aren’t too many of of you really ancient oldies left with the 2004 registration date. Shoot, I registered in 2010, so you’ve been around at least twice as long I have (and probably longer because I know registration wasn’t originally required).

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lawhawk  Sep 23, 2016 • 10:19:17am

re: #84 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I’m coming up on 15 years entrenched here at LGF. Think I started posting around October 1, 2001.

The best thing Charles could have done was institute registration back in the day. That helped him ultimately get rid of the extreme bigots that came here - the Islamophobes and nuke ‘em extremists. Of course, it also helped deal with the flounces, and Charles’ ultimately splitting with the right.

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gocart mozart  Sep 23, 2016 • 10:20:09am
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mmmirele  Sep 23, 2016 • 10:20:10am

re: #89 Jenner7

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I haven’t watched it. Don’t wanna.

I watched it. It’s raw. She’s trying so hard to keep the cops from shooting her husband but she doesn’t succeed. I can’t even imagine being in her shoes.

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allegro  Sep 23, 2016 • 10:20:11am

Mentioned this Daily Show segment the other night. Just thought to look for a clip and here it is:

Comedy Central

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Lidane  Sep 23, 2016 • 10:21:06am

Posted without comment:

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 23, 2016 • 10:22:18am

re: #97 Lidane

Vatican is changing how it verifies miracles

Is it changing its criteria for counting the number of angels dancing on the head of a pin?

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BeachDem  Sep 23, 2016 • 10:24:51am

re: #85 MsJ

Pointing at his fingers and showing the thumb/forefinger Look How Tiny! sign.

One can only imagine.

Yeah, Cuban has been getting under the yam’s thin skin for years.

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wrenchwench  Sep 23, 2016 • 10:25:29am

re: #87 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I have not, I just have not seen any reason to renounce it. I will continue to live in Europe as long as my kids (ages 10-18 years) are still here - just across the border in Alsace, France, with their mother, but after they have dispersed I do not know where I might wind up.

My brother went to Berlin to be with a woman who had done her year abroad at Occidental, with my brother (and Barack Obama, who they sort-of remember seeing) but the woman had gone back to her old boyfriend, so upon his arrival he met another woman, with whom he has raised two who aren’t doing a very good job of dispersing. One is at home in medical school (started 2 years ago) the other went to Italy to join the theater, but she’s back.

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mmmirele  Sep 23, 2016 • 10:26:39am

re: #98 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Is it changing its criteria for counting the number of angels dancing on the head of a pin?

Naw, now you need to have a supermajority on the medical committee which examines miracles. Of course, there have been a lot of comments on some recently canonized saints *cough* Mother Teresa *cough* about how the alleged miracles weren’t actually miracles.

I’m personally of the opinion that the whole saintmaking factory is trying to make God dance to the tune of humans and thus don’t think much of it. But that’s my personal opinion.

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lawhawk  Sep 23, 2016 • 10:27:23am

Heh. *snort*

Apparently Ted Cruz is endorsing Trump today.

The whole never Trump nonsense from the right was just BS from the start. They differ more on the style than substance. Trump’s just as extreme as all the rest of the GOP, from Cruz on down.

At least GHWB knows what his principles are - and that Trump’s crossed the Rubicon with his positions and rhetoric. The rest of the GOP appears that it will not learn.

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wrenchwench  Sep 23, 2016 • 10:27:56am

re: #97 Lidane

Posted without comment:

[“Vatican is changing how it verifies miracles”]

Their ‘scientific rigor’ doesn’t have a prayer. Or rather, it does, which makes it useless.

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Barefoot Grin  Sep 23, 2016 • 10:29:31am

re: #100 wrenchwench

My brother went to Berlin to be with a woman who had done her year abroad at Occidental, with my brother (and Barack Obama, who they sort-of remember seeing) but the woman had gone back to her old boyfriend, so upon his arrival he met another woman, with whom he has raised two who aren’t doing a very good job of dispersing. One is at home in medical school (started 2 years ago) the other went to Italy to join the theater, but she’s back.

My brother married a woman from Hamburg and has lived there since the late 1980s. They had two children, now about 20 and 18. They separated 5 or 6 years ago and finally divorced last year. He’s free!

Except, he hasn’t been without a girlfriend since kindergarten, so he was already with someone else when the separation began, married her as soon as the divorce was in, and now has a 3-month-old baby. I guess he’s a Hamburger for life.

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BeachDem  Sep 23, 2016 • 10:29:38am

re: #102 lawhawk

Heh. *snort*

Apparently Ted Cruz is endorsing Trump today.

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The whole never Trump nonsense from the right was just BS from the start. They differ more on the style than substance. Trump’s just as extreme as all the rest of the GOP, from Cruz on down.

At least GHWB knows what his principles are - and that Trump’s crossed the Rubicon with his positions and rhetoric. The rest of the GOP appears that it will not learn.

As much as I can’t stand him, I believe Kasich will also be a non-endorser—not because of any high-minded principles, but because nobody tells Johnny what to do.

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Interesting Times  Sep 23, 2016 • 10:29:40am

re: #102 lawhawk

Have you heard anything further about this? How likely an event is it at this point?

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Sep 23, 2016 • 10:30:02am

re: #102 lawhawk

Heh. *snort*

Apparently Ted Cruz is endorsing Trump today.

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The whole never Trump nonsense from the right was just BS from the start. They differ more on the style than substance. Trump’s just as extreme as all the rest of the GOP, from Cruz on down.

At least GHWB knows what his principles are - and that Trump’s crossed the Rubicon with his positions and rhetoric. The rest of the GOP appears that it will not learn.

Holding out as a “Never Trump” was the only thing Cruz would have had going for him looking ahead to 2020. If he caves, he’s toast. If I can see that, why can’t he?

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Belafon  Sep 23, 2016 • 10:30:28am

re: #101 mmmirele

Naw, now you need to have a supermajority on the medical committee which examines miracles. Of course, there have been a lot of comments on some recently canonized saints *cough* Mother Teresa *cough* about how the alleged miracles weren’t actually miracles.

I’m personally of the opinion that the whole saintmaking factory is trying to make God dance to the tune of humans and thus don’t think much of it. But that’s my personal opinion.

I like the definition I read of a Catholic saint: Someone the church knows made it into heaven. If I were up near the top of the church, I would eliminate the miracle thing, and pretty much base it on “what have that done for the least of God’s children.” That would still limit it to a few.

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Interesting Times  Sep 23, 2016 • 10:30:45am

re: #105 BeachDem

As much as I can’t stand him, I believe Kasich will also be a non-endorser—not because of any high-minded principles, but because nobody tells Johnny what to do.

Also because he wants to position himself as the “I told you so”/GOP redemption candidate for 2020.

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BeachDem  Sep 23, 2016 • 10:35:35am

re: #109 Interesting Times

Also because he wants to position himself as the “I told you so”/GOP redemption candidate for 2020.

Yep—and he didn’t take kindly to Reince’s threat for non-endorsing—basically told him to fuck off.

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Stanley Sea  Sep 23, 2016 • 10:35:46am

re: #89 Jenner7

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I haven’t watched it. Don’t wanna.

Me either.

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Stanley Sea  Sep 23, 2016 • 10:37:20am

re: #94 gocart mozart

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Patricia Kayden  Sep 23, 2016 • 10:38:03am

re: #102 lawhawk

Heh. *snort*

Apparently Ted Cruz is endorsing Trump today.

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The whole never Trump nonsense from the right was just BS from the start. They differ more on the style than substance. Trump’s just as extreme as all the rest of the GOP, from Cruz on down.

At least GHWB knows what his principles are - and that Trump’s crossed the Rubicon with his positions and rhetoric. The rest of the GOP appears that it will not learn.

So Cruz is comfortable endorsing a man who referred to him as “Lying Ted” and insulted his wife’s look and mental stability? Alrighty then.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 23, 2016 • 10:38:04am

re: #94 gocart mozart

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The Boss has spoken.

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wrenchwench  Sep 23, 2016 • 10:38:20am

re: #104 Barefoot Grin

My brother married a woman from Hamburg and has lived there since the late 1980s. They had two children, now about 20 and 18. They separated 5 or 6 years ago and finally divorced last year. He’s free!

Except, he hasn’t been without a girlfriend since kindergarten, so he was already with someone else when the separation began, married her as soon as the divorce was in, and now has a 3-month-old baby. I guess he’s a Hamburger for life.

My brother and his significant other are NOT married, as a statement. Mr. w and I are the only ones in the family who have been together longer (32 years, at this point) and were also not married, but not as a statement, then suddenly had to get married AS a statement right after the accident (almost two years ago), then my brother and his other visited last Easter, and we had to break it to them.

Here’s our Easter photo, standing next to a chapel that was closed.

Last March
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HappyWarrior  Sep 23, 2016 • 10:39:17am

re: #113 Patricia Kayden

So Cruz is comfortable endorsing a man who referred to him as “Lying Ted” and insulted his wife’s look and mental stability? Alrighty then.

Don’t forget about implying his father killed JFK.

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Jayleia  Sep 23, 2016 • 10:39:39am

re: #94 gocart mozart

And the wingnuts won’t tell him to “Shut up and sing” like they did to the Dixie Chicks. Because reasons.

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Eventual Carrion  Sep 23, 2016 • 10:40:30am

re: #18 Skip Intro

It’s all over now for Trump.

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So that’s their missionary position in this election?

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HappyWarrior  Sep 23, 2016 • 10:40:47am

re: #117 Jayleia

And the wingnuts won’t tell him to “Shut up and sing” like they did to the Dixie Chicks. Because reasons.

Agh, I still haven’t forgotten that. Really showed how hypocritical they are since they love them some Ted Nugent who speaks far worse about Obama and Clinton.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Sep 23, 2016 • 10:40:59am

re: #116 HappyWarrior

Don’t forget about implying his father killed JFK.

I’m not convinced that would be a negative to today’s GOP, anyway.

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jaunte  Sep 23, 2016 • 10:41:01am
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lawhawk  Sep 23, 2016 • 10:42:58am

re: #106 Interesting Times

Think something like that has been floating around for a while. I don’t think there’s anything to it unless something major breaks during the Bridgegate trials that directly implicates Christie in that criminal case.

Christie at this point is almost besides the point - he’s term limited and there’s already jockeying for who will run in his place.

Of course, none of that fixes the mess he leaves in his wake, including a bankrupt transportation trust fund, a completely screwed up PANY-NJ (which oversees the GWB and other bridges/tunnels/ports in NYC metro), and an education funding disaster.

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Stanley Sea  Sep 23, 2016 • 10:43:16am

re: #115 wrenchwench

Spotted! WW in the wild!

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Timothy Watson  Sep 23, 2016 • 10:43:30am

re: #113 Patricia Kayden

So Cruz is comfortable endorsing a man who referred to him as “Lying Ted” and insulted his wife’s look and mental stability? Alrighty then.

There goes that tiniest amount of respect I mentioned having of Ted Cruz.

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lawhawk  Sep 23, 2016 • 10:45:19am

Trump could quite easily lie and commit perjury. He might have done both relating to whether he sough casino gaming in Florida.

Jeb called him out on this in the primaries, but the attack didn’t stick then.

It might now, though I doubt it.

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dangerman  Sep 23, 2016 • 10:46:50am

re: #119 HappyWarrior

Agh, I still haven’t forgotten that. Really showed how hypocritical they are since they love them some Ted Nugent who speaks far worse about Obama and Clinton.

that’s different because its patriotic

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wrenchwench  Sep 23, 2016 • 10:47:01am

re: #123 Stanley Sea

Spotted! WW in the wild!

He just got around to posting the photos where I can see them. I found them helpful in that I never feel like I’m getting any better, but I am reminded when I see the photos that I felt worse then than I do now (about being able to walk around and stuff) so I AM getting better.

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Dr. Lexus  Sep 23, 2016 • 10:47:49am

I’m amused Cuban is seated front and center at the first debate. However, I hope any trolling he does is silent and non disruptive. These debates should be moderated to accept no foolishness.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 23, 2016 • 10:48:35am

re: #124 Timothy Watson

There goes that tiniest amount of respect I mentioned having of Ted Cruz.

Never had any period. The whole vote your conscience thing was Teddy’s way of playing political dodgeball.

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Kragar  Sep 23, 2016 • 10:50:53am

re: #128 baski deploribus derpum

“Mr Cuban, why do you have a small mirror compact in your pocket?”

“No reason.”

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lawhawk  Sep 23, 2016 • 10:57:05am
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Barefoot Grin  Sep 23, 2016 • 11:01:00am

re: #115 wrenchwench

My brother and his significant other are NOT married, as a statement. Mr. w and I are the only ones in the family who have been together longer (32 years, at this point) and were also not married, but not as a statement, then suddenly had to get married AS a statement right after the accident (almost two years ago), then my brother and his other visited last Easter, and we had to break it to them.

Here’s our Easter photo, standing next to a chapel that was closed.

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I love this!

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dangerman  Sep 23, 2016 • 11:06:10am

re: #131 lawhawk

on live TV in a Republican presidential debate

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Lidane  Sep 23, 2016 • 11:07:48am

True story:

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Interesting Times  Sep 23, 2016 • 11:09:25am

Holy frickfrack:

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MsJ  Sep 23, 2016 • 11:18:36am

re: #125 lawhawk

Trump could quite easily lie and commit perjury. He might have done both relating to whether he sough casino gaming in Florida.

Jeb called him out on this in the primaries, but the attack didn’t stick then.

It might now, though I doubt it.

Nope. Not gonna hold my breath.

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Timothy Watson  Sep 23, 2016 • 11:18:50am

Fuck you Washington Post:

Is Hillary Clinton ‘likable enough’?

Coaxing Clinton to be more human is proving a steep challenge for the Democratic nominee’s allies.

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Timothy Watson  Sep 23, 2016 • 11:21:08am

And some first-class assholes at Dollar General:

For God’s sake, if your employee needs a drink, especially if she’s diabetic, just let her have it already.

That’s what Dollar General learned after a federal jury sided with the U.S. Equal Employment Opportunity Commission (EEOC) in a case against the retail giant.

The story goes like this. Back in September 2014, an insulin-dependent diabetic cashier in Dollar General’s Maryville, Tenn. store told her supervisor she needed to keep juice near the cash register in case of a hypoglycemic attack. According to testimony at the trial, the supervisor did not allow employees to do this, although the company has a policy that would allow it for those need.

One day, fearing an oncoming attack, the cashier drank a $1.69 (plus tax) orange juice before paying for it. After the symptoms passed, the cashier said she then paid for the juice. After a question about inventory arose, the employee confessed to her brazen crime of drinking before buying to the company’s district manager who then fired said employee for violating the chain’s “grazing” policy.

washingtonpost.com

As a type 1 diabetic, that story especially pisses me off.

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dangerman  Sep 23, 2016 • 11:21:17am

re: #137 Timothy Watson

Fuck you Washington Post:
Is Hillary Clinton ‘likable enough’?

Coaxing Clinton to be more human is proving a steep challenge for the Democratic nominee’s allies.

dammit woman, why cant you be nice to my friends?

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lawhawk  Sep 23, 2016 • 11:22:16am

Just watched the video of the police shooting and killing Keith Lamont Scott. It’s yet another in a long line of snuff videos as cops kill black people.

All throughout Scott’s wife is yelling at both the cops not to shoot her husband, and her telling her husband not to do anything.

She yells that he has a TBI, and yet it seems that the cops used deadly force instead of trying to deescalate the situation.

All too frequently cops use deadly force and then don’t face criminal justice repercussions for their use of deadly force under questionable circumstances.

The Tulsa cop is an outlier - not only was she quickly identified, but she was charged fairly quickly. The same isn’t said in the bulk of cases involving office involved shootings.

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jaunte  Sep 23, 2016 • 11:23:04am
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Timothy Watson  Sep 23, 2016 • 11:26:57am

re: #140 lawhawk

Just watched the video of the police shooting and killing Keith Lamont Scott. It’s yet another in a long line of snuff videos as cops kill black people.

All throughout Scott’s wife is yelling at both the cops not to shoot her husband, and her telling her husband not to do anything.

She yells that he has a TBI, and yet it seems that the cops used deadly force instead of trying to deescalate the situation.

All too frequently cops use deadly force and then don’t face criminal justice repercussions for their use of deadly force under questionable circumstances.

The Tulsa cop is an outlier - not only was she quickly identified, but she was charged fairly quickly. The same isn’t said in the bulk of cases involving office involved shootings.

Also the fact that I am sure carrying a fucking gun in North Carolina isn’t against the law. White guy can parade down the street with five guns on his person, but dear God, don’t be a black guy with anything that bears a passing resemblance to any type of weapon.

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Belafon  Sep 23, 2016 • 11:33:50am

re: #137 Timothy Watson

Fuck you Washington Post:

I’m curious: What’s likeable about Trump? I have yet to find anything I like about him.

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William Lewis  Sep 23, 2016 • 11:34:15am

re: #140 lawhawk

The Tulsa cop is an outlier - not only was she quickly identified, but she was charged fairly quickly. The same isn’t said in the bulk of cases involving office involved shootings.

Isn’t Tulsa where that pretend deputy killed someone? Perhaps they actually learned a lesson from that fiasco?

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Great White Snark  Sep 23, 2016 • 11:39:26am

re: #30 Timothy Watson

Define “fat”. The instructors pay NRA for materials, and get paid to give classes. Training takes time resources, money. The ILA is the really awful side of NRA. 90,000+ instructors doing the work these days. NSSF has a bunch too.

Nobody likes the pro gun politics, most of us agree the training is a necessity

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Timothy Watson  Sep 23, 2016 • 11:42:58am

re: #145 Great White Snark

Define “fat”. The instructors pay NRA for materials, and get paid to give classes. Training takes time resources, money. The ILA is the really awful side of NRA. 90,000+ instructors doing the work these days. NSSF has a bunch too.

Nobody likes the pro gun politics, most of us agree the training is a necessity

I was referring more to back in the early 1900s which allowed them to build up their membership which they later turned into the political arm of the organization.

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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 23, 2016 • 11:53:37am
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FormerDirtDart  Sep 23, 2016 • 11:54:21am
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wrenchwench  Sep 23, 2016 • 11:57:57am
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austin_blue  Sep 23, 2016 • 12:10:33pm

re: #94 gocart mozart

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Good for Bruce!

And let’s all wish The Boss a happy 67th birthday!

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Jebediah, RBG  Sep 23, 2016 • 12:11:08pm

re: #39 CuriousLurker

Countdown to Trump hollering about “I know more about llamas than that loser Dolly Llama”

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Kragar  Sep 23, 2016 • 12:14:13pm
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jaunte  Sep 23, 2016 • 12:15:58pm
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Mike Lamb  Sep 23, 2016 • 12:18:28pm

re: #143 Belafon

I’m curious: What’s likeable about Trump? I have yet to find anything I like about him.

Considering that his unfavorables dwarf Hillary’s, you aren’t alone.

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jaunte  Sep 23, 2016 • 12:19:33pm

Some may be giving a man who cooked bacon wrapped around a rifle as a stunt pander a little too much credit for having principles.

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Lidane  Sep 23, 2016 • 12:19:34pm
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lawhawk  Sep 23, 2016 • 12:20:01pm

Nice Friday night news dump you got there. Be a shame if it got lost on a Friday afternoon.

U.S. intelligence officials are seeking to determine whether an American businessman identified by Donald Trump as one of his foreign policy advisers has opened up private communications with senior Russian officials — including talks about the possible lifting of economic sanctions if the Republican nominee becomes president, according to multiple sources who have been briefed on the issue.

The activities of Trump adviser Carter Page, who has extensive business interests in Russia, have been discussed with senior members of Congress during recent briefings about suspected efforts by Moscow to influence the presidential election, the sources said. After one of those briefings, Senate minority leader Harry Reid wrote FBI Director James Comey, citing reports of meetings between a Trump adviser (a reference to Page) and “high ranking sanctioned individuals” in Moscow over the summer as evidence of “significant and disturbing ties” between the Trump campaign and the Kremlin that needed to be investigated by the bureau.

Some of those briefed were “taken aback” when they learned about Page’s contacts in Moscow, viewing them as a possible back channel to the Russians that could undercut U.S. foreign policy, said a congressional source familiar with the briefings but who asked for anonymity due to the sensitivity of the subject. The source added that U.S. officials in the briefings indicated that intelligence reports about the adviser’s talks with senior Russian officials close to President Vladimir Putin were being “actively monitored and investigated.”

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Timothy Watson  Sep 23, 2016 • 12:20:26pm
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b.d.  Sep 23, 2016 • 12:21:01pm

Boy, that Cruz endorsement is sure going to bring in a lot of extra votes.

//

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b.d.  Sep 23, 2016 • 12:21:55pm

Trump must be worried about losing Texas if he is begging for Cruz’s endorsement.

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dangerman  Sep 23, 2016 • 12:23:58pm

re: #157 lawhawk

Nice Friday night news dump you got there. Be a shame if it got lost on a Friday afternoon.

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ObserverArt  Sep 23, 2016 • 12:25:11pm

re: #110 BeachDem

Yep—and he didn’t take kindly to Reince’s threat for non-endorsing—basically told him to fuck off.

Do you really think Kasich will run for office after he finishes up his term as Ohio governor in 2018?

He’s 64. Maybe he runs for Governor one more time, but I don’t see him running for President in 2020 as a 68 year old cantankerous Republican. I think this run was his last shot. I actually don’t think he will run for Governor again. Just my opinion.

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MsJ  Sep 23, 2016 • 12:32:23pm

re: #144 William Lewis

Isn’t Tulsa where that pretend deputy killed someone? Perhaps they actually learned a lesson from that fiasco?

Isn’t OK where Officer Rapist was convicted and sentenced to what amounts to a few life sentences?

Good on them.

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jaunte  Sep 23, 2016 • 12:32:34pm

Looks like Cruz has accepted he’ll never be president, and will instead campaign to be the last Republican governor of Texas.

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lawhawk  Sep 23, 2016 • 12:35:00pm
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Charles Johnson  Sep 23, 2016 • 12:35:37pm
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Anymouse  Sep 23, 2016 • 12:40:33pm

re: #107 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Holding out as a “Never Trump” was the only thing Cruz would have had going for him looking ahead to 2020. If he caves, he’s toast. If I can see that, why can’t he?

My own senator, Ben Sasse, has been on the Never Trump train since his Facebook post and statewide opinion letters to newspapers since February. He got booed when he appeared at CPAC, whcih did not change his positions.

I wrote a letter to my local paper earlier this month applauding Mr. Sasse, though I sharply disagree with him on many issues.

Ben Sasse was one of the very first that said he would not stick by the Velveeta Raccoon, and despite whithering responses from his constituents, he is still there. For that he got my praise.

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Kragar  Sep 23, 2016 • 12:40:53pm
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Semper Fi  Sep 23, 2016 • 12:41:40pm

Charles,
Is PayPal the ‘only’ way for me to pay my annual dues?

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Kragar  Sep 23, 2016 • 12:43:47pm
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Belafon  Sep 23, 2016 • 12:44:37pm

re: #167 Anymouse

My own senator, Ben Sasse, has been on the Never Trump train since his Facebook post and statewide opinion letters to newspapers since February. He got booed when he appeared at CPAC, whcih did not change his positions.

I wrote a letter to my local paper earlier this month applauding Mr. Sasse, though I sharply disagree with him on many issues.

Ben Sasse was one of the very first that said he would not stick by the Velveeta Raccoon, and despite whithering responses from his constituents, he is still there. For that he got my praise.

Do you not care about the feelings of Raccoon Americans?

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gocart mozart  Sep 23, 2016 • 12:47:21pm
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Charles Johnson  Sep 23, 2016 • 12:49:45pm

re: #169 Semper Fi

Charles,
Is PayPal the ‘only’ way for me to pay my annual dues?

No - you can use GoFundMe or Square Cash instead, but the advantage of using PayPal is that the subscription process is automatic. Your ad-free access will be set up automatically.

If you don’t use PayPal, you’ll need to email me and let me know you paid, then I can manually set up your ad-free access. The other disadvantage is that it won’t automatically renew, either. But it’s fine to do it these other ways, as long you remember these caveats.

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Charles Johnson  Sep 23, 2016 • 12:51:39pm
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Anymouse  Sep 23, 2016 • 12:52:43pm

re: #171 Belafon

Do you not care about the feelings of Raccoon Americans?

Well, I try to avoid them on the highway when they are protesting. I don’t run them down, does that count?

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Anymouse  Sep 23, 2016 • 12:53:35pm

re: #173 Charles Johnson

No - you can use GoFundMe or Square Cash instead, but the advantage of using PayPal is that the subscription process is automatic. Your ad-free access will be set up automatically.

If you don’t use PayPal, you’ll need to email me and let me know you paid, then I can manually set up your ad-free access. The other disadvantage is that it won’t automatically renew, either. But it’s fine to do it these other ways, as long you remember these caveats.

I am disappointed I cannot send a cheque. Without a credit card, none of those methods will work, as I have no credit or debit card.

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Great White Snark  Sep 23, 2016 • 1:01:01pm

re: #146 Timothy Watson

I was referring more to back in the early 1900s which allowed them to build up their membership which they later turned into the political arm of the organization.

Ahh, gotcha. I was out working a while…

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jaunte  Sep 23, 2016 • 1:01:04pm

When will Trump arrest Rafael Cruz Sr. for the Kennedy assassination?

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b.d.  Sep 23, 2016 • 1:01:27pm
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Charles Johnson  Sep 23, 2016 • 1:02:18pm
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b.d.  Sep 23, 2016 • 1:02:59pm

If we could convert wingnut tears into a energy source then it would be the most renewable energy on the globe.

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Charles Johnson  Sep 23, 2016 • 1:03:02pm

re: #176 Anymouse

I’m on a waiting list for a PO Box at my local post office. Will announce if/when I get it.

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Decatur Deb  Sep 23, 2016 • 1:03:39pm

What’s Cubano-Canadian slang for “pimp”?

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lawhawk  Sep 23, 2016 • 1:03:46pm
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Eric The Fruit Bat  Sep 23, 2016 • 1:04:44pm
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KingKenrod  Sep 23, 2016 • 1:04:50pm

Prayer and consideration and maybe a little extortion from the GOP re: having a future.

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dangerman  Sep 23, 2016 • 1:04:51pm
So Ted Cruz endorses an “utterly amoral,” “serial philandering” “pathological liar” who’s also a “sniveling coward.”
Why wouldn’t he? That’s pretty standard Republican politician behavior. @AndrewKirell @thedailybeast
that works both ways

- as the amoral behavoir
and
as the endorsing behavior

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b.d.  Sep 23, 2016 • 1:04:51pm

re: #183 Decatur Deb

What’s Cubano-Canadian slang for “pimp”?

Zodiac

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jaunte  Sep 23, 2016 • 1:05:12pm
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lawhawk  Sep 23, 2016 • 1:05:24pm

re: #188 b.d.

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dangerman  Sep 23, 2016 • 1:06:33pm

re: #184 lawhawk

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nope - nothing to see here
i guess “appearance of impropriety” is no longer relevant
that was a fast couple of weeks

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Decatur Deb  Sep 23, 2016 • 1:08:15pm

re: #188 b.d.

Zodiac

Que?

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Jenner7  Sep 23, 2016 • 1:08:30pm

re: #184 lawhawk

Whether it’s legal or not, it’s shady as hell and raises more questions about Trump’s ties to Russia.

This should be breaking news and would destroy his candidacy, but Ted Cruz decided to be Ted Cruz again so…

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Black d20  Sep 23, 2016 • 1:10:05pm

re: #192 Decatur Deb

It’s a joke playing on the Cruz is The Zodiac Killer meme.

(He is, mind you, but it’s still an amusing joke.)

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Decatur Deb  Sep 23, 2016 • 1:10:10pm

re: #188 b.d.

Zodiac

Looked it up—missed that meme.

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b.d.  Sep 23, 2016 • 1:10:44pm

re: #192 Decatur Deb

Que?

gq.com

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Anymouse  Sep 23, 2016 • 1:11:02pm

huffingtonpost.com;

UN Human Rights Council to discuss US police killings on Monday, “reminiscent of lynchings.”

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lawhawk  Sep 23, 2016 • 1:11:43pm
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Black d20  Sep 23, 2016 • 1:12:40pm

The Crazy World of Arthur Brown - The Unknown

Just a random music link from a truly gifted man.

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Decatur Deb  Sep 23, 2016 • 1:12:44pm

re: #196 b.d.

gq.com

Tried to subscribe to Gentleman’s Quarterly, but I couldn’t get past the morals clause.

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Belafon  Sep 23, 2016 • 1:15:39pm

re: #184 lawhawk

But Clinton met with people and saved a bunch of lives because of it.

//

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b.d.  Sep 23, 2016 • 1:16:44pm
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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 23, 2016 • 1:18:58pm
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Charles Johnson  Sep 23, 2016 • 1:18:58pm
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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Sep 23, 2016 • 1:20:17pm
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b.d.  Sep 23, 2016 • 1:20:55pm

re: #204 Charles Johnson

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Heh:

Ted Cruz won’t endorse Donald Trump, but the Republican nominee said Friday he wouldn’t take the support even if the Texas senator offered.

“If he gives it, I will not accept it,” Trump said at a news conference in Cleveland at the close of the Republican National Convention.
“I don’t want his endorsement,” he added. “Just, Ted, stay home, relax, enjoy yourself.”

cnn.com

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Belafon  Sep 23, 2016 • 1:22:58pm

re: #205 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Built into Windows 20, no doubt:

Microsoft will ‘solve’ cancer within the next 10 years by treating it like a computer virus, says company

Orac takes them to the woodshed:

Microsoft vows to “solve cancer” in a decade. Hubris ensues.

The more eyes the better. And consider the resources Google and Microsoft are throwing at these types of problems, I’m glad. I remember when Go was supposed to be an unsolvable problem.

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ObserverArt  Sep 23, 2016 • 1:24:07pm

You know, I think Ted Cruz would sell his soul to the Devil.

That is if he had one.

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Stanley Sea  Sep 23, 2016 • 1:24:34pm

re: #199 Black d20

I’m not sure about that!

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 23, 2016 • 1:25:15pm

re: #203 The Vicious Babushka

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Hey, Trump’s spox is lying! Imagine my surprise!

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Stanley Sea  Sep 23, 2016 • 1:26:13pm

re: #210 Blind Frog Belly White

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Hey, Trump’s spox is lying! Imagine my surprise!

They never look at their paycheck deductions. Or maybe Trump doesn’t deduct SS? ha.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Sep 23, 2016 • 1:27:04pm

re: #207 Belafon

The more eyes the better. And consider the resources Google and Microsoft are throwing at these types of problems, I’m glad. I remember when Go was supposed to be an unsolvable problem.

I’m sorry, my utter and complete contempt for Microsoft and all its works forces me to disagree with you. They’re absolutely incompetent to perform the business they’re actually in—I don’t think they need to extend themselves into a completely unrelated area.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 23, 2016 • 1:30:21pm

re: #211 Stanley Sea

They never look at their paycheck deductions. Or maybe Trump doesn’t deduct SS? ha.

Trump won’t deduct SS. Trump will REVIVE the SS!

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 23, 2016 • 1:32:58pm

re: #212 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

I’m sorry, my utter and complete contempt for Microsoft and all its works forces me to disagree with you. They’re absolutely incompetent to perform the business they’re actually in—I don’t think they need to extend themselves into a completely unrelated area.

You only think that because you’re misidentifying the business they’re actually in. In Monopolistic OS Domination, they fucking RULE!!!

/////

It is worth noting that whatever else you might think of Gates and Microsoft, he’s trying to do a lot of good with the Gates Foundation, and I say that as someone who has tried, and failed, to get a grant from them!

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Brian J.  Sep 23, 2016 • 1:33:19pm

re: #211 Stanley Sea

They never look at their paycheck deductions. Or maybe Trump doesn’t deduct SS? ha.

If they ever did, they’d ask who this Fica guy was and why he’s taking all their money.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 23, 2016 • 1:33:51pm

re: #215 Brian J.

If they ever did, they’d ask who this Fica guy was and why he’s taking all their money.

I’m a lover, not a FITA!

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Belafon  Sep 23, 2016 • 1:35:42pm

re: #212 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

I’m sorry, my utter and complete contempt for Microsoft and all its works forces me to disagree with you. They’re absolutely incompetent to perform the business they’re actually in—I don’t think they need to extend themselves into a completely unrelated area.

From what I’ve seen, as a Windows developer for over 20 years, Microsoft has been pretty successful, and I’m not talking about the money. Office, especially Excel, is a really good tool. Their development tools are pretty good as well, and have generally been good about keeping innovation going in that area.

I will grant you the monopoly actions of the company related to Windows, and I personally supported breaking the company up. But, having said that, Microsoft has an operating system that does the two things that neither Apple nor Linux do. It beats Apply by running on hardware not specifically blessed for it. It beats Linux by taking care of the small things such as properly releasing a CD if I open the tray rather than selecting eject.

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Brian J.  Sep 23, 2016 • 1:37:41pm

Reuters joins the crowd today in giving Hillary a 6-point lead among likely voters head-to-head and 5 points up in the four-way. The remarkable thing is that their sample is *still* heavily overweighted with white people (885/ 1098 = 80.6%). Trumpy Dumpy’s support among nonwhites has cratered from its usual 15% to just 5.5% over the last few days.

polling.reuters.com

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lawhawk  Sep 23, 2016 • 1:37:56pm

Odds are very high that this veto will be overridden. There’s strong support on both sides of the aisle to get the Saudis to pay for 9/11 related damages.

The Administration has opposed on grounds that the bill would adversely affect foreign policy and open the door to other countries suing the US for damages done by the US over time (think conflicts, covert actions, etc.)

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ObserverArt  Sep 23, 2016 • 1:37:58pm

re: #199 Black d20

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Just a random music link from a truly gifted man.

Thanks for that. I did not know he was still producing. So, I did a search and found this YouTube from a 2015 “Woodstock Forever” performance.

Still as zany and colorful as ever. The world needs more eccentric artists!

The Crazy World Of Arthur Brown - The Unknown - live at “Woodstock forever” Festival 2015

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wrenchwench  Sep 23, 2016 • 1:41:34pm
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Belafon  Sep 23, 2016 • 1:43:11pm

re: #219 lawhawk

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Odds are very high that this veto will be overridden. There’s strong support on both sides of the aisle to get the Saudis to pay for 9/11 related damages.

The Administration has opposed on grounds that the bill would adversely affect foreign policy and open the door to other countries suing the US for damages done by the US over time (think conflicts, covert actions, etc.)

Like the entire country of Iraq?

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austin_blue  Sep 23, 2016 • 1:44:18pm

re: #199 Black d20

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Just a random music link from a truly gifted man.

He’s now a house painter in Austin.

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Skip Intro  Sep 23, 2016 • 1:45:46pm

re: #180 Charles Johnson

If you pray over a question and the answer is Donald Trump, you’re praying to the wrong god.

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Anymouse  Sep 23, 2016 • 1:46:53pm

re: #214 Blind Frog Belly White

You only think that because you’re misidentifying the business they’re actually in. In Monopolistic OS Domination, they fucking RULE!!!

/////

It is worth noting that whatever else you might think of Gates and Microsoft, he’s trying to do a lot of good with the Gates Foundation, and I say that as someone who has tried, and failed, to get a grant from them!

Our village public library was first computerised by the Gates Foundation. Prior to their intervention, Internet service was not available in my town at all.

The Gates Foundation sent computer technicians to the village library to install service for three computers (towers) and a laptop, paid or otherwise cajoled the telephone company to provide DSL service, and provided training to the librarian before my wife on how to use the system.

Those computers served a long life … my wife finally replaced them with computers a school in the next town were eliminating (she loaded them with Linux because she despises Microsoft).

Without the Gates Foundation, we might still not have Internet service in our town.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Sep 23, 2016 • 1:50:34pm

re: #222 Belafon

Ding. Ding. We have a winner.

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Dr Lizardo  Sep 23, 2016 • 1:51:08pm

re: #224 Skip Intro

If you pray over a question and the answer is Donald Trump, you’re praying to the wrong god.

So, instead of Hail To The Chief for (God forbid) President Trump, I recommend this little ditty:

Jerry Goldsmith - Ave Satani.wmv

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Dragonomics  Sep 23, 2016 • 1:53:10pm

re: #227 Dr Lizardo

I recommend the screeching shower scene violins.

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BeachDem  Sep 23, 2016 • 1:53:40pm

re: #125 lawhawk

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Trump could quite easily lie and commit perjury. He might have done both relating to whether he sough casino gaming in Florida.
Jeb called him out on this in the primaries, but the attack didn’t stick then.
It might now, though I doubt it.

I had a big fundraiser for Governor-elect Bush…and I think it was his most successful fundraiser, the most successful that he had had up until that point, that was in Trump Tower in New York on Fifth Avenue.

Of course, when Trump is talking about a fund-raiser for Jeb, it was the biggest, best evah!

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 23, 2016 • 1:59:01pm

re: #227 Dr Lizardo

So, instead of Hail To The Chief for (God forbid) President Trump, I recommend this little ditty:

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“This is all for you, Donald!”, shouts Ted Cruz as he leaps out the window…

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BlueSpotinAL  Sep 23, 2016 • 2:01:53pm

re: #215 Brian J.

He is a mother Fica, for sure. //

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Mike Lamb  Sep 23, 2016 • 2:04:52pm

re: #168 Kragar

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freetoken  Sep 23, 2016 • 2:08:50pm

Not getting much press this week, a paper in Science Advances:

Geodetic measurements reveal similarities between post-Last Glacial Maximum and present-day mass loss from the Greenland ice sheet

Accurate quantification of the millennial-scale mass balance of the Greenland ice sheet (GrIS) and its contribution to global sea-level rise remain challenging because of sparse in situ observations in key regions. Glacial isostatic adjustment (GIA) is the ongoing response of the solid Earth to ice and ocean load changes occurring since the Last Glacial Maximum (LGM; ~21 thousand years ago) and may be used to constrain the GrIS deglaciation history. We use data from the Greenland Global Positioning System network to directly measure GIA and estimate basin-wide mass changes since the LGM. Unpredicted, large GIA uplift rates of +12 mm/year are found in southeast Greenland. These rates are due to low upper mantle viscosity in the region, from when Greenland passed over the Iceland hot spot about 40 million years ago. This region of concentrated soft rheology has a profound influence on reconstructing the deglaciation history of Greenland. We reevaluate the evolution of the GrIS since LGM and obtain a loss of 1.5-m sea-level equivalent from the northwest and southeast. These same sectors are dominating modern mass loss. We suggest that the present destabilization of these marine-based sectors may increase sea level for centuries to come. Our new deglaciation history and GIA uplift estimates suggest that studies that use the Gravity Recovery and Climate Experiment satellite mission to infer present-day changes in the GrIS may have erroneously corrected for GIA and underestimated the mass loss by about 20 gigatons/year.

There is a blog entry here that covered this, though the written explanations suffer a bit, I think:

Greenland is Losing More Ice Than Scientists Thought

In working on sea level rise, the question becomes from where does additional liquid water arise?

So the current paper suggests that more of it has come from Greenland than previously accounted.

And this suggests that Greenland is more susceptible to melting at the lower end of the carbon-budgets that have been proposed.

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Dr Lizardo  Sep 23, 2016 • 2:11:34pm

re: #230 Blind Frog Belly White

“This is all for you, Donald!”, shouts Ted Cruz as he leaps out the window…

LOL

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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 23, 2016 • 2:12:22pm

I have this book (pre-ordered & received it 2 weeks ago). It is stunning.

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freetoken  Sep 23, 2016 • 2:14:41pm

Populist demagoguery is a rewarding business:

Criticized Abroad, Philippines’ Leader Remains Hugely Popular In Home City

Strongmen are often popular.

At least for a while.

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wrenchwench  Sep 23, 2016 • 2:17:18pm

re: #235 The Vicious Babushka

I have this book (pre-ordered & received it 2 weeks ago). It is stunning.

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When that popped up on the Spy, all I could see was your comment and the picture. I thought, ‘That book looks quite edible.’

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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 23, 2016 • 2:17:52pm

I have not tried that cinnamon raisin bread. It’s too dangerous.

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freetoken  Sep 23, 2016 • 2:18:18pm

In other world news, it appears that the UK Labour party is in self destruct mode. First the activists re-elect Corbyn as head, and now a familiar refrain from old rears its head:

Labour suspends members in Bristol for ‘breaking party rules’

“There’s a grave suspicion that it is a purge and a lot of members are using that term,” she said.

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Anymouse  Sep 23, 2016 • 2:21:02pm
“Every critic, every detractor, will have to bow down to President Trump. It’s everyone who’s ever doubted Donald, who ever disagreed, who ever challenged him. It is the ultimate revenge to become the most powerful man in the universe.”

Donald Trump’s director of African American outreach Omarosa Manigault.

More: huffingtonpost.com;

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freetoken  Sep 23, 2016 • 2:22:06pm

re: #240 Anymouse

When this was pointed out yesterday, her comments didn’t even register on the Drumpfskind-scale.

Shows how far off the edge American politics have gone this year.

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Patricia Kayden  Sep 23, 2016 • 2:25:37pm

re: #218 Brian J.

Curious about why Trump’s support among non-Whites plummeted so dramatically in the last few weeks. He’s always been an outspoken bigot so why is any racial minority supporting him in the first place.

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freetoken  Sep 23, 2016 • 2:26:21pm

re: #242 Patricia Kayden

Je$u$.

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Patricia Kayden  Sep 23, 2016 • 2:28:46pm

re: #240 Anymouse

That sounds quite blasphemous to me. I thought Christians such as Pastor Omarosa (and unbelievably, she is a minister) would argue against worshipping any mere mortal such as Trump.

So he’s running for the office of Presidency to get back at President Obama for mocking him at the Correspondents’ Dinner a few years back? How nice.

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ObserverArt  Sep 23, 2016 • 2:31:45pm

Dear Chuck Todd,

Can you ever see both sides of one of your contentions?

Today Chucky says what happens if Hillary prepares for a bombastic Trump and he comes out all meek, mild and “presidential acting?”

He hints that she may blow it because she will try to attack and he may not bite.

Well Chucky, what happens if the type of people that love unhinged, tells-it-like-it-is, rude and crude Donny see him go meek and mild and “presidential acting?”

Will they not wonder if he is wimping out to Hillary, afraid to stand up to her and put her in her place?

I happen to think he needs to be the guy they voted for in the primaries. He needs to feed the beast he created and he needs to do it big league. And if doesn’t many will think he didn’t give them the “show” they wanted and just may lose interest in the lesser Trump.

I guess with Chucky, Trump has noe negatives, can’t make a misstep, etc.

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Anymouse  Sep 23, 2016 • 2:32:10pm

re: #242 Patricia Kayden

Curious about why Trump’s support among non-Whites plummeted so dramatically in the last few weeks. He’s always been an outspoken bigot so why is any racial minority supporting him in the first place.

It could be that many had not heard of Mr. Trump’s past actions (racial discrimination charges from the Nixon Administration are now forty years old, Central Park Five case is very old, &c).

For a long time, Mr. Trump was doing his thing on The Apprentice and WWE which did not really highlight his overtly racist appeal.

Now with him in the press every day as a major candidate for President, he is coming to the attention of people who may not have known about his past (and present) but like his “message” (if you can call it that).

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Patricia Kayden  Sep 23, 2016 • 2:32:44pm

re: #224 Skip Intro

If you pray over a question and the answer is Donald Trump, you’re praying to the wrong god.

I would give you a million upvotes for this comment. LOL!!

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Anymouse  Sep 23, 2016 • 2:35:45pm

re: #224 Skip Intro

If you pray over a question and the answer is Donald Trump, you’re praying to the wrong god.

I had but one upfist to give.

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lockjawcanbefun  Sep 23, 2016 • 2:37:33pm

re: #246 Anymouse

And at least the WWE appearance(s) gave us this premonition:

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goddamnedfrank  Sep 23, 2016 • 2:46:32pm
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Stanley Sea  Sep 23, 2016 • 2:47:30pm

re: #242 Patricia Kayden

Curious about why Trump’s support among non-Whites plummeted so dramatically in the last few weeks. He’s always been an outspoken bigot so why is any racial minority supporting him in the first place.

I would say it was the condescending way he spoke to AA’s about how they are in the worst place ever ever ever.

Don King & Omarosa didn’t help.

Pastor Timmons did.

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Decatur Deb  Sep 23, 2016 • 2:47:45pm

re: #196 b.d.

gq.com

Tried to subscribe to Gentleman’s Quarterly, but I couldn’t get past the morals clause.re: #249 lockjawcanbefun

And at least the WWE appearance(s) gave us this premonition:

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Love to see a Venn diagram of Trump contributors and World Wrestling subscribers/

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mmmirele  Sep 23, 2016 • 2:48:09pm

re: #240 Anymouse

Donald Trump’s director of African American outreach Omarosa Manigault.

More: huffingtonpost.com;

Uhm, I’m not especially religious, but when I hear talk like that, all I can do is think that Omarosa is promoting the Antichrist. Not that I wanna be quoting scripture on LGF, but the only person I’m supposed to bow down to is Jesus.

Next thing you know, they’re gonna be talking about the Mark of the Beast.

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Anymouse  Sep 23, 2016 • 2:52:10pm

re: #253 mmmirele

Uhm, I’m not especially religious, but when I hear talk like that, all I can do is think that Omarosa is promoting the Antichrist. Not that I wanna be quoting scripture on LGF, but the only person I’m supposed to bow down to is Jesus.

Next thing you know, they’re gonna be talking about the Mark of the Beast.

Everyone gets a “T” tattoo?

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BeachDem  Sep 23, 2016 • 2:52:36pm

re: #162 ObserverArt

Do you really think Kasich will run for office after he finishes up his term as Ohio governor in 2018?

He’s 64. Maybe he runs for Governor one more time, but I don’t see him running for President in 2020 as a 68 year old cantankerous Republican. I think this run was his last shot. I actually don’t think he will run for Governor again. Just my opinion.

Ohio governor is term limited to 2, right? So he can’t run for governor again. I don’t know about his presidential asprirations in 2020, but I wouldn’t discount that he’s thinking about it.

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BeachDem  Sep 23, 2016 • 2:53:56pm

re: #165 lawhawk

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Notice it’s a “he who will not be named” endorsement. Heh.

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CuriousLurker  Sep 23, 2016 • 2:54:20pm
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Belafon  Sep 23, 2016 • 2:55:18pm

re: #168 Kragar

The writer replied to his own tweet with this:


It would be worth the merger for that.
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EPR-radar  Sep 23, 2016 • 2:55:50pm

re: #255 BeachDem

Ohio governor is term limited to 2, right? So he can’t run for governor again. I don’t know about his presidential asprirations in 2020, but I wouldn’t discount that he’s thinking about it.

There must be several GOPers like Kasich that think they will do well if the GOP’s collective insanity moderates a bit.

They’re all being fools, since the GOP is only going to get more and more extreme.

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BeachDem  Sep 23, 2016 • 3:02:16pm

re: #193 Jenner7

Whether it’s legal or not, it’s shady as hell and raises more questions about Trump’s ties to Russia.

This should be breaking news and would destroy his candidacy, but Ted Cruz decided to be Ted Cruz again so…

And still, almost no mention anywhere about Brian Ross et al’s investigative piece:
From Russia With Trump: A Political Conflict Zone

abcnews.go.com

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wrenchwench  Sep 23, 2016 • 3:03:46pm
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Trumpia est omnis divisa in duo calathi(Sophist)  Sep 23, 2016 • 3:04:14pm

re: #208 ObserverArt

You know, I think Ted Cruz would sell his soul to the Devil.

That is if he had one.

Pretty sure Scratch would turn him down. Being a man of wealth and taste, he must have some standards.

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De Kolta Chair  Sep 23, 2016 • 3:10:38pm

BREAKING — Donald Trump has issued a clarification of his recent call for increasing controversial stop and frisk measures by the police, stating “First of all, I was talking about how I would be doing the actual stopping and frisking myself, and it would only involve the hottest Eastern European and South American chicks. Trust me, African-American babes will have absolutely nothing to worry about.”

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jaunte  Sep 23, 2016 • 3:11:50pm

Fresh from my email, Ted’s rationale:

Dear Jaunte,

This election is unlike any other in our nation’s history. Like many other voters, I have struggled to determine the right course of action in this general election.

In Cleveland, I urged voters, “please, don’t stay home in November. Stand, and speak, and vote your conscience, vote for candidates up and down the ticket whom you trust to defend our freedom and to be faithful to the Constitution.”

After many months of careful consideration, of prayer and searching my own conscience, I have decided that on Election Day, I will vote for the Republican nominee, Donald Trump.

I’ve made this decision for two reasons. First, last year, I promised to support the Republican nominee. And I intend to keep my word.

Second, even though I have had areas of significant disagreement with our nominee, by any measure Hillary Clinton is wholly unacceptable — that’s why I have always been #NeverHillary.

Six key policy differences inform my decision. First, and most important, the Supreme Court. For anyone concerned about the Bill of Rights — free speech, religious liberty, the Second Amendment — the Court hangs in the balance. I have spent my professional career fighting before the Court to defend the Constitution. We are only one justice away from losing our most basic rights, and the next president will appoint as many as four new justices. We know, without a doubt, that every Clinton appointee would be a left-wing ideologue. Trump, in contrast, has promised to appoint justices “in the mold of Scalia.”

For some time, I have been seeking greater specificity on this issue, and today the Trump campaign provided that, releasing a very strong list of potential Supreme Court nominees — including Sen. Mike Lee, who would make an extraordinary justice — and making an explicit commitment to nominate only from that list. This commitment matters, and it provides a serious reason for voters to choose to support Trump.

Second, Obamacare. The failed healthcare law is hurting millions of Americans. If Republicans hold Congress, leadership has committed to passing legislation repealing Obamacare. Clinton, we know beyond a shadow of doubt, would veto that legislation. Trump has said he would sign it.

Third, energy. Clinton would continue the Obama administration’s war on coal and relentless efforts to crush the oil and gas industry. Trump has said he will reduce regulations and allow the blossoming American energy renaissance to create millions of new high-paying jobs.

Fourth, immigration. Clinton would continue and even expand President Obama’s lawless executive amnesty. Trump has promised that he would revoke those illegal executive orders.

Fifth, national security. Clinton would continue the Obama administration’s willful blindness to radical Islamic terrorism. She would continue importing Middle Eastern refugees whom the FBI cannot vet to make sure they are not terrorists. Trump has promised to stop the deluge of unvetted refugees.

Sixth, Internet freedom. Clinton supports Obama’s plan to hand over control of the Internet to an international community of stakeholders, including Russia, China, and Iran. Just this week, Trump came out strongly against that plan, and in support of free speech online.

These are six vital issues where the candidates’ positions present a clear choice for the American people.

If Clinton wins, we know — with 100% certainty — that she would deliver on her left-wing promises, with devastating results for our country.

My conscience tells me I must do whatever I can to stop that.

We also have seen, over the past few weeks and months, a Trump campaign focusing more and more on freedom — including emphasizing school choice and the power of economic growth to lift African-Americans and Hispanics to prosperity.

Finally, after eight years of a lawless Obama administration, targeting and persecuting those disfavored by the administration, fidelity to the rule of law has never been more important.

The Supreme Court will be critical in preserving the rule of law. And, if the next administration fails to honor the Constitution and Bill of Rights, then I hope that Republicans and Democrats will stand united in protecting our fundamental liberties.

Our country is in crisis. Hillary Clinton is manifestly unfit to be president, and her policies would harm millions of Americans. And Donald Trump is the only thing standing in her way.

A year ago, I pledged to endorse the Republican nominee, and I am honoring that commitment. And if you don’t want to see a Hillary Clinton presidency, I encourage you to vote for him.

For liberty,

Ted Cruz

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Charles Johnson  Sep 23, 2016 • 3:13:08pm
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BeachDem  Sep 23, 2016 • 3:15:39pm

re: #259 EPR-radar

There must be several GOPers like Kasich that think they will do well if the GOP’s collective insanity moderates a bit.

They’re all being fools, since the GOP is only going to get more and more extreme.

Kasich though, is not a moderate (he just plays one at the Klown Karnival.) He’s as extreme as most of them, just covers it better with his “aw shucks” veneer—but deep down he’s a nasty piece of work.

So he probably DOES have a future in the GOP/

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BeachDem  Sep 23, 2016 • 3:19:14pm

re: #264 jaunte

Six more good reasons to vote for Hillary Clinton.

Thanks, Ted (you repulsive scumbag)

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Trumpia est omnis divisa in duo calathi(Sophist)  Sep 23, 2016 • 3:19:17pm

re: #264 jaunte

Clinton would continue the Obama administration’s willful blindness to radical Islamic terrorism. She would continue importing Middle Eastern refugees…

“Importing”. Like they’re fucking cars or something

Why is it so hard to talk about refugees like they are human beings?

Oh, right, because it makes it harder to advocate treating them like refuse.

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Anymouse  Sep 23, 2016 • 3:24:39pm

re: #268 Trumpia est omnis divisa in duo calathi(Sophist)

“Importing”. Like they’re fucking cars or something

Why is it so hard to talk about refugees like they are human beings?

Oh, right, because it makes it hardeharder to advocate treating them like refuse.

Yet he still used the word “refugee” as in “a person fleeing warfare, or political or religious persecution.”

Ted Cruz, pro lifer. Let ‘em be blown up or ground up in war and religious persecution. Funny how this atheist has more empathy for people fleeing religious persecution rather than Ted Cruz, Christian. (Another reason I am not a Christian or any other religion. Religion requires suppressing empathy for people of other religions.)

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MsJ  Sep 23, 2016 • 3:25:44pm

re: #182 Charles Johnson

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Skip Intro  Sep 23, 2016 • 3:31:55pm
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Charles Johnson  Sep 23, 2016 • 3:36:12pm
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thedopefishlives  Sep 23, 2016 • 3:36:21pm

re: #265 Charles Johnson

Wow. Methinks you struck a nerve there somewhere.

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Stanley Sea  Sep 23, 2016 • 3:38:16pm

re: #264 jaunte

Fresh from my email, Ted’s rationale:

What makes them think Trump will do what they want?

It’s amazing, you watch the con every every every day & some people do not see it. Or just can’t believe it.

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thedopefishlives  Sep 23, 2016 • 3:40:31pm

re: #273 thedopefishlives

Clearly that nerve must be in the fat of the ass… He obviously doesn’t have a brain in which you could strike any nerves.

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Charles Johnson  Sep 23, 2016 • 3:43:13pm
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Skip Intro  Sep 23, 2016 • 3:43:23pm

Might make a good debate question. What do you think?

Trump Hotels Covered Up A Massive Credit Card Theft. Then They Let It Happen Again.

WASHINGTON ― Republican presidential nominee Donald Trump’s luxury hotel company agreed Friday to pay a $50,000 settlement and beef up its security systems after investigators found that Trump’s hotels failed to notify customers that a hacker had stolen their credit card numbers and personal information from Trump Hotel computers.

Following the initial identity theft in 2015, Trump’s hotels never implemented the cybersecurity plan they were given to prevent a second attack. As a result, Trump’s hotels and some of his condo properties were hacked again less than a year later. When banks alerted the company to the second hack in March, Trump Hotel Collection waited three more months before telling potential victims about the second hack.

huffingtonpost.com;

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wrenchwench  Sep 23, 2016 • 3:44:25pm
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thedopefishlives  Sep 23, 2016 • 3:45:47pm

re: #276 Charles Johnson

LFG IS IRRELEVANT!!!1!11onety

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Charles Johnson  Sep 23, 2016 • 3:46:33pm
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Tigger2  Sep 23, 2016 • 3:47:35pm

re: #276 Charles Johnson

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thedopefishlives  Sep 23, 2016 • 3:47:59pm

re: #280 Charles Johnson

Props to you guys who can do this sort of thing. I’d wind up either killing someone or having an aneurysm (or possibly both at the same time).

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Stanley Sea  Sep 23, 2016 • 3:48:29pm

re: #277 Skip Intro

Might make a good debate question. What do you think?

Trump Hotels Covered Up A Massive Credit Card Theft. Then They Let It Happen Again.

huffingtonpost.com;

I never go to Huff Po anymore. Just did, thanks.

They put this at the end of every Trump story (with links)

Editor’s note: Donald Trump regularly incites political violence and is a serial liar, rampant xenophobe, racist, misogynist and birther who has repeatedly pledged to ban all Muslims — 1.6 billion members of an entire religion — from entering the U.S.

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petesh  Sep 23, 2016 • 3:48:52pm

re: #171 Belafon

Do you not care about the feelings of Raccoon Americans?

Sad to report that I had to spend yesterday evening in the ER while my partner got rabies shots (first of a short series) because a raccoon bit her. #notallraccoonamericans.

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Stanley Sea  Sep 23, 2016 • 3:49:31pm

re: #284 petesh

Sad to report that I had to spend yesterday evening in the ER while my partner got rabies shots (first of a short series) because a raccoon bit her. #notallraccoonamericans.

Wow!

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CuriousLurker  Sep 23, 2016 • 3:50:00pm

Yeah, the problem is the Muslims/Islam, see?

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thedopefishlives  Sep 23, 2016 • 3:51:34pm

re: #286 CuriousLurker

Yeah, the problem is the Muslims/Islam, see?

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Anti-Semitism is deeply rooted in people being stupid. As is Islamophobia.

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CuriousLurker  Sep 23, 2016 • 3:59:39pm

re: #287 thedopefishlives

Anti-Semitism is deeply rooted in people being stupid. As is Islamophobia.

Yeah, it never ceases to irk the crap out of me me how some people will say bigotry in the form of antisemitism is bad because it unfairly stereotypes & scapegoats Jews, then turn around and do the exact same thing to Muslims. ಠ_ಠ

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petesh  Sep 23, 2016 • 4:18:39pm

re: #285 Stanley Sea

It’s been a stressful week. Dogs are quarantined (at home, they had shots and got posters just in case), humans staggering on. But the sun is out, the sky is blue and Hillary is winning.

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gocart mozart  Sep 23, 2016 • 4:22:43pm
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No Country For Old Haters  Sep 23, 2016 • 4:27:19pm

re: #265 Charles Johnson

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BeachDem  Sep 23, 2016 • 4:34:06pm

re: #283 Stanley Sea

I never go to Huff Po anymore. Just did, thanks.

They put this at the end of every Trump story (with links)

I love that “disclaimer” and I have to say HuffPo has been relentless on Trump. Their main headlines have been ruthless and consistent.

Many of their articles are crap—and many of their headlines are just links to other sites, but they have been pounding the yam pretty much non-stop.


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