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CuriousLurker  Sep 25, 2016 • 2:57:44pm

Ha! I was gonna post a long-assed comment downstairs, but I check first this time, so I’m gonna wait for everyone to show up here.

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freetoken  Sep 25, 2016 • 3:00:24pm

AP runs a story on Linda McMahon, former CEO of WWE (and whose family still owns half the company):

Former WWE wrestling executive becoming GOP mega donor

[…]

The Center for Responsive Politics ranks McMahon and her husband Vince — the current CEO of WWE, formerly known as World Wrestling Entertainment — as 78th among the so-called “mega donors” contributing in this election cycle to outside spending groups, such as super PACs, spending $1.17 million so far. […]

McMahon has known the GOP presidential nominee, Donald Trump, for 30 years. Trump famously shaved Vince McMahon’s head in 2007 during a WWE match titled “Battle of the Billionaires.” While not her first choice for president, she is strong supporter today, predicting he’ll be a good president who will surround himself with competent people. She credits him with becoming “a vessel that has housed this anger and this dissatisfaction” in the country, which she said has intensified since she first ran for office.

McMahon and her husband contributed a total of $5 million to Trump’s foundation in 2007, a donation McMahon said she did “not remember how it came about.” She said she has no misgivings about making the contribution, ultimately the largest to Trump’s foundation.

“Once you’re his friend, he is loyal to the end,” she said. “He’s an incredibly loyal, loyal friend.”

Seems like a rather big donation to forget about the details. As one wrestling blog puts it:

The AP story reports that Linda is supporting a variety of different Republican candidates in various states. It also recalls that the McMahons donated $5 million to Trump’s foundation back in 2007. It was the same year that Trump took part in WrestleMania, yet Linda says she does “not remember how it came about.” Gosh, I hate when I can’t remember why I paid $5 million for something, but it happens to us all so frequently that I’m sure we can all relate.

Quite the quid pro quo.

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freetoken  Sep 25, 2016 • 3:05:22pm

In that same AP story:

McMahon also contributed $200,000 to Future45, a super PAC that opposes Democratic presidential nominee Hillary Clinton, who McMahon knows personally but contends has shown “a pattern of dishonesty over the years.”

So Hillary has shown a pattern of dishonesty, yet Linda McMahon claims she doesn’t know how a $5 million donation to the Drumpfskind foundation came about?

The hypocrisy is large.

All the more so when you realize that the McMahon’s could count the contribution as a donation to a non-profit generation. If WWE had been honest and costed it on their books as the price of a contract for Drumpfskind to appear then the McMahons couldn’t have claimed it as a “contribution”.

This is yet one more story around the Drumpfskind foundation that stinks. It illustrates how the Drumpfskind and his rich friends manipulate the law to their benefit.

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Tigger2  Sep 25, 2016 • 3:27:23pm

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thedopefishlives  Sep 25, 2016 • 3:35:32pm

re: #4 Tigger2

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We give it to the Trump Fairy, who turns around to supply him with a continual stream of shit to spew from his mouth.

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goddamnedfrank  Sep 25, 2016 • 3:37:37pm
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CuriousLurker  Sep 25, 2016 • 3:37:43pm

Okay, briefly switching gears. Since we were on the subject of Israel and were also discussing Muslims downstairs, I decided to post the following. Luckily, I checked to see if a new thread was up by them time I’d finished, and sure enough it was, so I’ll just leave it here instead.

I don’t know how many of you guys were around Friday when I posted this comment about the guy that jumped into my Twitter timeline pronouncing “AntiSemitism is deeply rooted in Islam.” ◔_◔

I ignored & immediately blocked him, but it got me to thinking about something I’d pondered before, especially after having done a good bit of reading on antisemitism over the past couple of years (warning: long rambling comment about the relationship between Jews & Muslims ahead, so please scroll past if you’re not interested).

That guy’s assertion comes straight from the Islamophobia industry—it’s practically Geller’s daily mantra, though she says something along the lines of (I’m paraphrasing) “Jew hate, it’s in the Quran.” She even uses it on her bus ads—here’s one from D.C. in 2014 (source article here).

The only way you can come to that conclusion is if you cherry-pick verses, interpreting them literally and devoid of any context. For those who don’t already know it, Sharia & Halacha are similar in that both involve not only law, but also other scholarly interpretation (and in the case of Islam, hadith, which is a whole other complicated ball of wax involving the strength or weakness of chains of transmission).

If antisemitism is so deeply rooted in Islam, then why did the Holocaust not happen until the mid-twentieth century, and why did it happen primarily in Christian Western Europe? I mean, Islam has been around for almost 1400 years now, and for the 100 or so years of the Umayyad Caliphate and the nearly 600 years of the Ottoman Empire—never mind all the other powerful regional Caliphates—it was a major force to be reckoned with, one of the superpowers of its time, if you will. So if antisemitism is so deeply rooted in Islam, why didn’t earlier Muslims wipe out all the Jews when they had the power to do so?

I won’t pretend Jews & Muslims were always on good terms or that there were never pogroms, because there were, but not on the level of a genocidal holocaust like the one that killed six million Jews in Europe. Yes, Jews were considered dhimmis in Muslim lands, as were Christians. BTW, dhimmi actually means “protected person,” certainly not in the way we understand rights & protections today as they didn’t have equal rights, but they had legal rights & protections nonetheless (which is more than they had in most of Christendom until fairly recently).

Why would Jews, like Maimonides and many others, voluntarily choose to live in Muslim lands instead of Christian ones? The mass migration (and in some cases expulsion) of Jews from Muslim lands didn’t happen until the rise of Nasser & pan-Arab nationalism and establishment of Israel. Ask yourself why they didn’t leave sooner if Muslims were so awful to them—was it because there was nowhere to go before the establishment of Israel, or because Europe was far more toxic?

Also, if antisemitism was some sort of freaking requirement for Muslims, then why are I and the other Muslims here not a raging antisemites? Perhaps we’re all secret Islamists using taqiyyah to mislead everyone about our true feelings? This seems to be what the Islamophobes would have everyone believe. // ಠ_ಠ

So yeah, when I think about it for like even five minutes, the whole notion of antisemitism being deeply rooted in Islam—as if Muslims invented it or promoted it for religious reasons (rather than recent political ones)—falls apart, logically speaking.

There’s a BIG difference between something existing, as Muslim antisemitism undeniably does, and that thing being an integral component of a given belief system. I mean, if we started examining the Old & New Testaments and treating the writings of various famous (and infamous) Christians & Jews as the de facto stance of their respective religions and all its adherents, then it wouldn’t be especially difficult to demonize said Christians & Jews as being racists, supremacists, etc., would it?

Okay, all done. *steps down from podium*

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freetoken  Sep 25, 2016 • 3:42:35pm

re: #7 CuriousLurker

Page it!

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CuriousLurker  Sep 25, 2016 • 3:45:07pm

re: #8 freetoken

Page it!

Okay, but give me a catchy title. I always have a hard time coming up with them.

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goddamnedfrank  Sep 25, 2016 • 3:46:37pm
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freetoken  Sep 25, 2016 • 3:47:11pm

re: #10 goddamnedfrank

We had a little discussion downstairs about that. It’s kind of a tender subject.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 25, 2016 • 3:48:57pm

re: #11 freetoken

We had a little discussion downstairs about that. It’s kind of a tender subject.

yep. apparently history via wiki trumps people who actually lived it.

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goddamnedfrank  Sep 25, 2016 • 3:49:16pm

re: #11 freetoken

We had a little discussion downstairs about that. It’s kind of a tender subject.

I know. I don’t really have a dog in this fight beyond not wanting to see the world’s economy ground to a halt and thousands more die in a totally needless war.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 25, 2016 • 3:49:30pm

re: #3 freetoken

If you are at all aware of Vince’s track record and conduct in his business dealings, it’s easy to understand why he favors Donald Trump.

Mcmahon used every unfair, unethical and duplicitous trick in the book to bury/destroy his competition.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 25, 2016 • 3:51:11pm

re: #13 goddamnedfrank

Well Republicans are great at starting needless wars aren’t they?

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CuriousLurker  Sep 25, 2016 • 3:51:21pm

re: #11 freetoken

We had a little discussion downstairs about that. It’s kind of a tender subject.

That’s why I studiously ignored part of the thread. Uh-uh, not touching that one with a 10-foot pole.

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freetoken  Sep 25, 2016 • 3:52:07pm

re: #14 Eclectic Cyborg

But isn’t that the entire industry? The whole carny-sector of the economy is full of greasy business.

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wrenchwench  Sep 25, 2016 • 3:52:39pm

re: #16 CuriousLurker

That’s why I studiously ignored part of the thread. Uh-uh, not touching that one with a 10-foot pole.

And bunnies with a turtle appeared! And were updinged!

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CuriousLurker  Sep 25, 2016 • 3:54:31pm

re: #18 wrenchwench

And bunnies with a turtle appeared! And were updinged!

Yes, that was a nice diversion!

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wrenchwench  Sep 25, 2016 • 3:55:00pm

re: #13 goddamnedfrank

I know. I don’t really have a dog in this fight beyond not wanting to see the world’s economy ground to a halt and thousand more die in a totally needless war.

That’s, like, the main dog.

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Emptor scriptor Remorse  Sep 25, 2016 • 3:55:26pm

I can’t take short haired musicians seriously. I really do love this though, thank you.

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thedopefishlives  Sep 25, 2016 • 3:57:59pm

re: #12 Backwoods_Sleuth

yep. apparently history via wiki trumps people who actually lived it.

It would be great if history was nice and clean and everyone agreed on facts. But it isn’t, we don’t, and that’s how wars start.

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goddamnedfrank  Sep 25, 2016 • 3:59:12pm

My theory is that if a little bit of political artifice has managed to keep nuclear armed powers (Israel and Pakistan) from going at each other’s throats, don’t fuck with it. Of course Russia would love nothing better than for the oil producing regions of the Middle East to burn in an utterly pointless and avoidable conflict.

Pulling the pin out of the grenade is an absolutely rubbish campaign platform.

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thedopefishlives  Sep 25, 2016 • 4:00:39pm

re: #23 goddamnedfrank

My theory is that if a little bit of political artifice has managed to keep nuclear armed powers (Israel and Pakistan) from going at each other’s throats, don’t fuck with it. Of course Russia would love nothing better than for the oil producing regions of the Middle East to burn in an utterly pointless and avoidable conflict.

Pulling the pin out of the grenade is an absolutely rubbish campaign platform.

Considering that Trump’s entire candidacy has essentially been, “You fuckers are going to do what I want, and or I’ll plunge the world into nuclear holocaust,” it’s pretty much par for the course for the Great Cheeto.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Sep 25, 2016 • 4:03:56pm

Heh….

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freetoken  Sep 25, 2016 • 4:04:30pm

re: #24 thedopefishlives

And yet, if one believes the polls, Drumpfskind is almost as likely to get elected as Clinton.

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CuriousLurker  Sep 25, 2016 • 4:05:41pm

re: #9 CuriousLurker

Okay, but give me a catchy title. I always have a hard time coming up with them.

Never mind, I know what I’m gonna do: I’ll just make the title the same as the guy’s assertion, but turn it into a question instead, “Is #Antisemitism Deeply Rooted in Islam?”

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thedopefishlives  Sep 25, 2016 • 4:05:42pm

re: #26 freetoken

And yet, if one believes the polls, Drumpfskind is almost as likely to get elected as Clinton.

I don’t believe the polls, FWIW. I appreciated Nate Silver’s work in 2008-2012, but I feel like his methodology in this election cycle isn’t up to his usual standards.

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Charles Johnson  Sep 25, 2016 • 4:05:58pm
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Charles Johnson  Sep 25, 2016 • 4:07:25pm
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freetoken  Sep 25, 2016 • 4:12:55pm

re: #9 CuriousLurker

Okay, but give me a catchy title. I always have a hard time coming up with them.

Ahem… these might catch some eyes:

“A Salah A Day Keeps The Jew Away??”

“1001 Reason Why Nazism Was Not Islamic”

“Falafel Is Kosher, Really.”

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thedopefishlives  Sep 25, 2016 • 4:13:57pm

re: #30 Charles Johnson

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Also, the fact that you changed your mind on the Iraq war is apparently just an inconvenience to overlook.

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goddamnedfrank  Sep 25, 2016 • 4:14:14pm
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freetoken  Sep 25, 2016 • 4:14:17pm

… just trying to think like those click-bait sites whose “stories” seem to pop up everywhere.

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Charles Johnson  Sep 25, 2016 • 4:16:46pm
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Stanley Sea  Sep 25, 2016 • 4:18:14pm

re: #31 freetoken

Ahem… these might catch some eyes:

“A Salah A Day Keeps The Jew Away??”

“1001 Reason Why Nazism Was Not Islamic”

“Falafel Is Kosher, Really.”

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Sep 25, 2016 • 4:20:49pm

re: #35 Charles Johnson

His Wikipedia page details an epic number of squabbles and personality flaws:

At The Weekly Standard, one staff member said, Podhoretz’s “arrogance and egotism had a psychological effect people can’t quite believe.” At The Washington Times a colleague reported, he was “permanently frozen in juvenalia.” Glenn Garvin, the Central American bureau chief of the Miami Herald, once said that at the Times, Podhoretz “constantly complained that his brilliance wasn’t appreciated.”[4]

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freetoken  Sep 25, 2016 • 4:21:03pm

re: #35 Charles Johnson

Oh dear, another one claiming to be an “intellectual”.

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thedopefishlives  Sep 25, 2016 • 4:21:49pm

re: #39 Charles Johnson

That, right there, should indicate his complete and total lack of intelligence.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Sep 25, 2016 • 4:23:31pm

re: #40 thedopefishlives

He’s only of by 95%….

////dripping

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Joe Bacon  Sep 25, 2016 • 4:24:20pm
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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 25, 2016 • 4:24:30pm

re: #27 CuriousLurker

Never mind, I know what I’m gonna do: I’ll just make the title the same as the guy’s assertion, but turn it into a question instead, “Is #Antisemitism Deeply Rooted in Islam?”

There is actually much more evidence that Anti-Semitism Is Deeply Rooted in Christianity.
The Devil And The Jews

Henry Ford And The Jews (A nice Jewish boy is CEO now)

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freetoken  Sep 25, 2016 • 4:24:47pm
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Joe Bacon  Sep 25, 2016 • 4:26:59pm

re: #43 The Vicious Babushka

There is actually much more evidence that Anti-Semitism Is Deeply Rooted in Christianity.
The Devil And The Jews

Henry Ford And The Jews (A nice Jewish boy is CEO now)

I wish I had a tape recorder going when Grandma Bacon was talking about Anti-Semites in the 30s such as Henry Ford, Frank Fay and Laura Ingalls…

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Charles Johnson  Sep 25, 2016 • 4:27:23pm
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Ziggy_TARDIS  Sep 25, 2016 • 4:28:48pm

re: #43 The Vicious Babushka

Being afraid of ones genitalia is also more deeply rooted in Christianity.

Seriously, the Letters from Paul are so sex-phobic it is ridiculous.

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Joe Bacon  Sep 25, 2016 • 4:28:56pm

re: #46 Charles Johnson

Just listen to the two clowns who host Bloomberg’s “With All Due Respect” on BSRNC!

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freetoken  Sep 25, 2016 • 4:31:19pm

re: #46 Charles Johnson

I think the problem is found in the word “moderator”.

What the networks want are viewers (they really don’t want the debates as they have limited spots for commercials, but if they have enough viewers they can sell those time slots for a dear price.)

So in reality “moderator” just means time-keeper, keeping the show on schedule in between the commercials.

What we need in this country is vigorous, substantial debates. And for that I propose we really need interlocutors. We need public discourse where each candidate gets queries in depth about an area, then when differences are discovered between candidates, have them present their arguments to each other in public.

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Dr. Lexus  Sep 25, 2016 • 4:31:34pm

Talking
Sitting
Listening
Looking
That’s like, 5 duties right there!

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teleskiguy  Sep 25, 2016 • 4:32:25pm
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Charles Johnson  Sep 25, 2016 • 4:34:38pm
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thedopefishlives  Sep 25, 2016 • 4:37:03pm

re: #52 Charles Johnson

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So great. I would make it so great - I would make it the greatest. I’m the best at making things great.

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freetoken  Sep 25, 2016 • 4:41:14pm

What an MBF looks like:

Image: hillary-trump-edu_slide-7e06dd5c9c5733ce3a418e21e218260b58d6e37c-s800-c85.jpg

That comes from an NPR story:

Donald Trump’s Plan For America’s Schools

The story itself is mildly critical of Drumpfskind, but mostly because the answers to the education questions the authors want to ask are not coming.

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teleskiguy  Sep 25, 2016 • 4:41:54pm

re: #52 Charles Johnson

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stpaulbear  Sep 25, 2016 • 4:43:19pm

re: #51 teleskiguy

It’s a neat building, but it wastes too much room that could be used for books. Using 6x6 (or are they 8x8?) timbers for shelving is kind of an unforgivable waste of resources no matter how cool the designer thinks it looks.

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Charles Johnson  Sep 25, 2016 • 4:43:51pm
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teleskiguy  Sep 25, 2016 • 4:47:33pm

lolwut?

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freetoken  Sep 25, 2016 • 4:49:29pm
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freetoken  Sep 25, 2016 • 4:52:38pm
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Emptor scriptor Remorse  Sep 25, 2016 • 4:53:07pm

Intelligence is like a river, the deeper it goes the less noise it makes

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Charles Johnson  Sep 25, 2016 • 4:54:34pm
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CuriousLurker  Sep 25, 2016 • 4:54:47pm

Okay, the page based on my #7 is officially up now, with a few modifications. I won’t be staying up super late tonight since tomorrow is Monday, so you guys please keep an eye on it as it’s the kind of subject that tends to attract trolls and awaken sock puppets from their slumber. TIA

Is #Antisemitism Deeply Rooted in Islam? - LGF Pages

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Joe Bacon  Sep 25, 2016 • 4:55:11pm

re: #60 Charles Johnson

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I wonder what Norma will say after Trump cuts her Social Security check?

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dangerman  Sep 25, 2016 • 4:55:27pm

if you cant formulate a question that fact checks itself or demonstrates that it wasnt answered directly you shouldnt be in the chair

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EPR-radar  Sep 25, 2016 • 4:56:20pm

re: #38 freetoken

Oh dear, another one claiming to be an “intellectual”.

A conservative “intellectual” is just a bigoted meathead with a thesaurus. And yes, I do mean this to include the late WFB Jr.

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CuriousLurker  Sep 25, 2016 • 4:56:25pm

re: #31 freetoken

Ahem… these might catch some eyes:

“A Salah A Day Keeps The Jew Away??”

“1001 Reason Why Nazism Was Not Islamic”

“Falafel Is Kosher, Really.”

LOLOLOL

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freetoken  Sep 25, 2016 • 4:56:27pm
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CuriousLurker  Sep 25, 2016 • 4:57:03pm

re: #43 The Vicious Babushka

There is actually much more evidence that Anti-Semitism Is Deeply Rooted in Christianity.
The Devil And The Jews

Henry Ford And The Jews (A nice Jewish boy is CEO now)

Thanks!

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dangerman  Sep 25, 2016 • 4:58:07pm

if you ask a fact based question and let someone lie to your face unchecked, they are not only disrespecting you on national tv, they are implying you and your question are the liars

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Joe Bacon  Sep 25, 2016 • 4:58:19pm

Now the New York Times drops the other shoe…

nytimes.com

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Sep 25, 2016 • 4:59:28pm

Facepalm

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dangerman  Sep 25, 2016 • 4:59:56pm

re: #69 freetoken

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probably not kosher, no matter how you kill the pig or cook the bacon

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freetoken  Sep 25, 2016 • 5:01:13pm

re: #74 dangerman

Third option: Turkey bacon.

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Charles Johnson  Sep 25, 2016 • 5:01:14pm
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Feline Fearless Leader  Sep 25, 2016 • 5:02:38pm

re: #58 teleskiguy

lolwut?

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He meant change as in monetary units that we will have to dig out and immediately give to Trump and his cronies.

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Belafon  Sep 25, 2016 • 5:03:34pm

The Simpsons intro based on the an Adventure Time intro.

Edited.

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TedStriker  Sep 25, 2016 • 5:05:58pm

re: #33 goddamnedfrank

This is exactly the kind of tweet an alien conspiracy would compose.

— Frankly My Dear … (@goddamnedfrank) September 25, 2016

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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 25, 2016 • 5:07:53pm
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teleskiguy  Sep 25, 2016 • 5:24:20pm

The Donald™ got his supply of uppers, it seems.

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Stanley Sea  Sep 25, 2016 • 5:24:48pm

I’m watching The Hangover & I just can’t walk away.

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Skip Intro  Sep 25, 2016 • 5:25:28pm

re: #81 teleskiguy

The Donald™ got his supply of uppers, it seems.

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Must have run out of characters before adding “things are looking great for me”.

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freetoken  Sep 25, 2016 • 5:26:09pm

re: #81 teleskiguy

The target now is all “Middle Easterners”. No more pretense of being worried about ISIS in particular.

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freetoken  Sep 25, 2016 • 5:29:24pm

re: #81 teleskiguy

My tweet from yesterday:

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goddamnedfrank  Sep 25, 2016 • 5:30:05pm

re: #46 Charles Johnson

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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 25, 2016 • 5:31:42pm

re: #83 Skip Intro

Must have run out of characters before adding “things are looking great for me”.

CONGRATULATIONS TO MYSELF FOR MY INCREDIBLE, SUPERNATURAL, FABULOUS, TERRIFIC FUTURE-PREDICTING TALENTS!!!1!!!1!!!

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Skip Intro  Sep 25, 2016 • 5:32:26pm

re: #86 goddamnedfrank

Using knowledge is proof of bias against Trump.

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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 25, 2016 • 5:33:56pm

Conway can DARVO with the best of them.

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b.d.  Sep 25, 2016 • 5:34:53pm

re: #81 teleskiguy

The Donald™ got his supply of uppers, it seems.

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Turkey is the Middle East?

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Stanley Sea  Sep 25, 2016 • 5:35:56pm

Fight song part 2

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b.d.  Sep 25, 2016 • 5:36:56pm

re: #90 b.d.

Turkey is the Middle East?

It is. I always considered it otherwise?

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teleskiguy  Sep 25, 2016 • 5:40:04pm

You don’t like the weather in Colorado? Wait 15 minutes.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Sep 25, 2016 • 5:40:51pm

BREAKING: Arnold Palmer, golfing legend, dies, age 87.

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Stanley Sea  Sep 25, 2016 • 5:41:41pm

re: #94 Eric The Fruit Bat

BREAKING: Arnold Palmer, golfing legend, dies, age 87.

Ah fuck 2016.

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teleskiguy  Sep 25, 2016 • 5:41:53pm

re: #94 Eric The Fruit Bat

BREAKING: Arnold Palmer, golfing legend, dies, age 87.

I’ll drink a John Daly* in his honor.

*an Arnold Palmer, but with booze.

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Charles Johnson  Sep 25, 2016 • 5:46:00pm
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TedStriker  Sep 25, 2016 • 5:46:44pm

re: #94 Eric The Fruit Bat

BREAKING: Arnold Palmer, golfing legend, dies, age 87.

re: #95 Stanley Sea

Ah fuck 2016.

This year:

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Sep 25, 2016 • 5:50:00pm

Scott “Dilbert” Adams is now voting for Donald Trump.

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scottslemmons  Sep 25, 2016 • 5:52:40pm

re: #58 teleskiguy

lolwut?

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Does this have something to do with “The Hedgehog Can Never Be Buggered at All”?

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teleskiguy  Sep 25, 2016 • 5:54:25pm

Crickets from The Donald™ on this solemn remembrance.

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thedopefishlives  Sep 25, 2016 • 5:55:33pm

re: #98 TedStriker

This year:

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Can’t say it any better than this.

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thedopefishlives  Sep 25, 2016 • 5:55:46pm

re: #99 Eric The Fruit Bat

Scott “Dilbert” Adams is now voting for Donald Trump.

He always was, wasn’t he?

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danarchy  Sep 25, 2016 • 5:55:48pm

re: #100 scottslemmons

Does this have something to do with “The Hedgehog Can Never Be Buggered at All”?

en.wikipedia.org

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Sep 25, 2016 • 5:56:09pm

Wicked Burn to the House Of Saud….

It’s delicious to watch the Saudi outrage at being excluded from a conference in Chechnya to define who counts as a Sunni Muslim. Wahhabism, the Sunni offshoot that dominates Saudi Arabia, has done more than any other movement in Islamic history to read other Muslims out of the faith, and turnabout is fair play. Unfortunately, the conference, organized by Chechen strongman Ramzan Kadyrov, is actually part of Russian President Vladimir Putin’s fiendishly clever plan to weaken Saudi Arabia, a U.S. ally. The entire episode shows how ideologically vulnerable the Saudis feel in the age of Islamic State — and how good Putin is at affecting Middle Eastern politics.

The conference, which took place in the Chechen capital of Grozny in late August, was notable as much for who wasn’t invited as for who was. More than 100 Sunni clerics attended — but none from Saudi Arabia.

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Charles Johnson  Sep 25, 2016 • 5:56:12pm
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teleskiguy  Sep 25, 2016 • 5:56:29pm

re: #103 thedopefishlives

He always was, wasn’t he?

No. He endorsed Hillary this summer “for [his] own safety.”

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thedopefishlives  Sep 25, 2016 • 5:56:50pm

re: #107 teleskiguy

No. He endorsed Hillary this summer “for [his] own safety.”

I always took that as satire/sarcasm.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Sep 25, 2016 • 5:57:23pm

re: #103 thedopefishlives

Probably-he was all likelihood doing a work.

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teleskiguy  Sep 25, 2016 • 5:58:29pm

re: #108 thedopefishlives

I always took that as satire/sarcasm.

Read his blog. He’s a fucking sociopath.

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thedopefishlives  Sep 25, 2016 • 5:59:21pm

re: #110 teleskiguy

Red his blog. He’s a fucking sociopath.

Oh, I knew that already.

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Charles Johnson  Sep 25, 2016 • 6:03:09pm
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TedStriker  Sep 25, 2016 • 6:03:29pm

re: #110 teleskiguy

Read his blog. He’s a fucking sociopath.

He might fancy himself to be more like his comic’s namesake, but Adams is pretty much the PHB (or maybe even Catbert).

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Charles Johnson  Sep 25, 2016 • 6:04:03pm
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TedStriker  Sep 25, 2016 • 6:05:18pm

re: #113 TedStriker

He might fancy himself to be more like his comic’s namesake, but Adams is pretty much the PHB (or maybe even Catbert).

Once again, I say that it’s better to separate the art from the artist, but some people make it really, really hard.

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teleskiguy  Sep 25, 2016 • 6:06:31pm

re: #115 TedStriker

Once again, I say that it’s better to separate the art from the artist, but some people make it really, really hard.

I used to like some of Ted Nugent’s songs (don’t judge me!). I haven’t listened to him in many years.

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Eventual Carrion  Sep 25, 2016 • 6:06:59pm

Just found on Facebook. Made me smile:

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Sep 25, 2016 • 6:08:52pm

re: #113 TedStriker

He’s Catbert on speedballs.

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teleskiguy  Sep 25, 2016 • 6:09:57pm

Heh!

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 25, 2016 • 6:13:01pm

re: #117 Eventual Carrion

Just found on Facebook. Made me smile:

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I made this out of an old pallet.

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teleskiguy  Sep 25, 2016 • 6:14:05pm

re: #120 Blind Frog Belly White

I made this out of an old pallet.

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Nothing like a good ol’ pallet fire, especially when you use like a dozen of ‘em!

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teleskiguy  Sep 25, 2016 • 6:20:19pm

HURR HURR

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Charles Johnson  Sep 25, 2016 • 6:20:23pm
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Big Beautiful Door  Sep 25, 2016 • 6:21:21pm

re: #58 teleskiguy

lolwut?

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A global thermonuclear war would bring change. What change should be brought, and how to go about bringing it, are the real issues.

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unproven innocence  Sep 25, 2016 • 6:25:00pm

re: #94 Eric The Fruit Bat

BREAKING: Arnold Palmer, golfing legend, dies, age 87.

RIP. Better than par for the course, I suppose.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 25, 2016 • 6:25:14pm

re: #121 teleskiguy

In this case, it was just a joke. Everything here is crispy dry. I’d be afraid to drop a match in the yard.

Today was another scorcher - 94 degrees. Heat advisory. So, of course, I rode 50 miles again! Didn’t see the Heat Advisory till I got home.

I lost 2 1/2 lbs, while drinking basically 4.5 x 24 oz bottles of liquid - about 7 lbs - so that’s nearly 10 lbs of sweating.

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Smith25's Liberal Thighs  Sep 25, 2016 • 6:26:30pm

Some stuff from this weekend:


These Gentlemen are the Jackie Robinsons of college football in the South; breaking the color barrier in the SEC. Forever honored at the stadium.
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Big Beautiful Door  Sep 25, 2016 • 6:28:10pm

re: #99 Eric The Fruit Bat

Scott “Dilbert” Adams is now voting for Donald Trump.

He wasn’t before?

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 25, 2016 • 6:29:33pm

re: #114 Charles Johnson

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The funniest part is the ‘Facts over Feelings!’, and then ‘Trump for President’. But of course, this guy’s one of those who JUST KNOWS the facts, which are no doubt at odds with actual reality.

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Big Beautiful Door  Sep 25, 2016 • 6:29:36pm

re: #127 Smith25’s Liberal Thighs

Some stuff from this weekend:

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These Gentlemen are the Jackie Robinsons of college football in the South; breaking the color barrier in the SEC. Forever honored at the stadium.

And the Cats actually played a good game and won this week, topping things off nicely.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Sep 25, 2016 • 6:29:37pm

re: #128 Big Beautiful Door

He was running a work saying he was voting for Hillary in order to save his life because of where he lived (the shit)

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Charles Johnson  Sep 25, 2016 • 6:32:43pm
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Smith25's Liberal Thighs  Sep 25, 2016 • 6:34:07pm

re: #130 Big Beautiful Door

And the Cats actually played a good game and won this week, topping things off nicely.

Interviews with many of the players indicated that the statue dedication for the four was inspiration, especially in context with the week in Charlotte.

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Charles Johnson  Sep 25, 2016 • 6:36:16pm
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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 25, 2016 • 6:38:15pm

Whoa, this is the Mother Lode of Batshittery:
In Which A Wingnut Explains How Hillary Clinton Caused 9/11, The Great Recession of 2008, and (Oh Teh Horrors) Businesses Being Forced To Pay The People Who Work For Them

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teleskiguy  Sep 25, 2016 • 6:39:11pm

re: #135 The Vicious Babushka

Whoa, this is the Mother Lode of Batshittery:
In Which A Wingnut Explains How Hillary Clinton Caused 9/11, The Great Recession of 2008, and (Oh Teh Horrors) Businesses Being Forced To Pay The People Who Work For Them

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PANIC! WE’RE ALL GONNA DIE!
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Big Beautiful Door  Sep 25, 2016 • 6:42:08pm

I hope Hillary has icewater in her veins. Because she probably understands that the fate of the planet may depend on her giving a damn near perfect performance in the debate tomorrow.

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Charles Johnson  Sep 25, 2016 • 6:44:31pm
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teleskiguy  Sep 25, 2016 • 6:46:56pm

re: #137 Big Beautiful Door

I hope Hillary has icewater in her veins. Because she probably understands that the fate of the planet may depend on her giving a damn near perfect performance in the debate tomorrow.

This is Hillary Clinton were talking about. We’ve been expecting her to mop the floor with whatever is on The Donald’s™ head come debate time. She’s got it in her!

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Charles Johnson  Sep 25, 2016 • 6:51:16pm
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Lidane  Sep 25, 2016 • 6:52:43pm

re: #58 teleskiguy

re: Newt’s stupidity —

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Lidane  Sep 25, 2016 • 6:56:38pm

Ted Cruz shanked Trump on live TV during the RNC and got shit on by his constituents for disloyalty. Then he gave in and endorsed Trump. Now this:

I am amused. Couldn’t happen to a bigger prick. I hope he loses in 2018.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Sep 25, 2016 • 7:04:14pm

My debate prediction:

Trump will spew so much bullshit into the mic, that there will be no way for Hillary to even keep up. She won’t necessarily be on the defensive, but she won’t get much of her agenda out there for anyone watching.

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William Lewis  Sep 25, 2016 • 7:05:37pm

Just a drive by post before going to bed… GAS is rearing it’s head again…

20 Strings.
6 Hyper-Bass
6 Guitar
8 Super-Trebles
Stereo XLR outputs

aYowza! Wish I had some audio of it.

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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 25, 2016 • 7:06:40pm

re: #143 GlutenFreeJesus

My debate prediction:

Trump will spew so much bullshit into the mic, that there will be no way for Hillary to even keep up. She won’t necessarily be on the defensive, but she won’t get much of her agenda out there for anyone watching.

It will be a Gish Indy 500.

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Big Beautiful Door  Sep 25, 2016 • 7:10:40pm

re: #143 GlutenFreeJesus

My debate prediction:

Trump will spew so much bullshit into the mic, that there will be no way for Hillary to even keep up. She won’t necessarily be on the defensive, but she won’t get much of her agenda out there for anyone watching.

What Clinton needs to remember is that there’s no pressure here. Only some 100 million people will be watching, and the only thing she could blow is the presidential election. If she loses the election, no big deal. America will just be turning control of the world over to a lunatic, ending liberal democracy’s solid post-war run at seven decades. She might faint or make one tremendous, highly replayable gaffe. But again, the only consequence there would be the end of the West. It’s fine. It’s fine. Everything’s fine.

slate.com

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Sep 25, 2016 • 7:12:07pm

re: #135 The Vicious Babushka

What a load of horseshit-anybody who knew anything knew it was Phil Gramm and his crew that pushed threw the massive deregulation bills that laid the seeds for the Great Recession-followed on by lax oversight and enforcement by the regulators, the ratings agencies, robo-signing fraud and the whole mess that is MERS.

GMAFB.

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Belafon  Sep 25, 2016 • 7:13:55pm

re: #132 Charles Johnson

I also don’t enjoy seeing them killed by white Americans. Can we ban those, too?

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jaunte  Sep 25, 2016 • 7:14:41pm

re: #84 freetoken

The target now is all “Middle Easterners”. No more pretense of being worried about ISIS in particular.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 25, 2016 • 7:16:04pm

re: #148 Belafon

I also don’t enjoy seeing them killed by white Americans. Can we ban those, too?

Or police.

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Belafon  Sep 25, 2016 • 7:17:31pm

re: #143 GlutenFreeJesus

My debate prediction:

Trump will spew so much bullshit into the mic, that there will be no way for Hillary to even keep up. She won’t necessarily be on the defensive, but she won’t get much of her agenda out there for anyone watching.

As I said in the last thread, she should just start saying random numbers after each of his statements: “Number 28” “Number 113”. When asked, she can just he has so many lies that her campaign refers to them by number.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Sep 25, 2016 • 7:18:37pm

re: #142 Lidane

Well, remember the threat Reince made about not backing Hair Furor….

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ObserverArt  Sep 25, 2016 • 7:21:53pm

Just getting in from an early evening show at Skully’s Music Diner here in Columbus. I’m going to go a bit with the title of this thread…my one buddy and I saw one incredibly full sonic performance.

The Dandy Warhols!

Damn. That was fine. They sure generate some atmospheric sounds. I’ve always wanted to see them thinking they would be good. They were more than I was expecting, they were great.

I was tripping without the use of chemicals!

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Charles Johnson  Sep 25, 2016 • 7:24:46pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 25, 2016 • 7:29:24pm

re: #154 Charles Johnson

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If you spend your time convincing yourself that what is plainly happening is not happening, and that it’s all because a small group of scientists for some reason want to Destroy Capitalism, you’ll be open to believing all kinds of ridiculous horseshit.

But overall, it’s part of being a wingnut. Just as racists and xenophobes generally come around to AGW denial, so AGW deniers eventually come around to racism and xenophobia.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Sep 25, 2016 • 7:34:36pm

re: #146 Big Beautiful Door

This is reassuring:

What Clinton needs to remember is that there’s no pressure here. Only some 100 million people will be watching, and the only thing she could blow is the presidential election. If she loses the election, no big deal. America will just be turning control of the world over to a lunatic, ending liberal democracy’s solid post-war run at seven decades. She might faint or make one tremendous, highly replayable gaffe. But again, the only consequence there would be the end of the West. It’s fine. It’s fine. Everything’s fine.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Sep 25, 2016 • 7:39:22pm

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Joe Bacon  Sep 25, 2016 • 7:44:36pm

re: #142 Lidane

Ted Cruz shanked Trump on live TV during the RNC and got shit on by his constituents for disloyalty. Then he gave in and endorsed Trump. Now this:

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I am amused. Couldn’t happen to a bigger prick. I hope he loses in 2018.

Just the thought of a 2018 Texas GOP Senate primary fight between Ted Cruz and Rick Perry warms the cockles of my heart! It will be a royal bloodletting!

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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 25, 2016 • 7:46:25pm

I wish I had more faith in this country but I am starting to worry Trump will be the next President.

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teleskiguy  Sep 25, 2016 • 7:48:35pm

re: #159 Eclectic Cyborg

Watch. The election won’t even be close.

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Joe Bacon  Sep 25, 2016 • 7:50:21pm

748 PM here in Los Angeles and the temperature is still 85 degrees. Tomorrow the high is going to go over 100…while liars like Steve Goddard say there is no such thing as global warming…

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 25, 2016 • 7:51:10pm

Just saw a meme that started “WHO REMEMBERS…”, and my eye/brain rendered it as “WHORE MEMBERS”.

I’m a horrible person.

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Romantic Heretic  Sep 25, 2016 • 7:51:17pm

re: #114 Charles Johnson

By ‘Liberty’ he means ‘Tyranny run by me and people like me’.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Sep 25, 2016 • 7:55:40pm

WSJ: Through August, No Fortune 100 CEO has donated to Trump’s Campaign

No chief executive at the nation’s 100 largest companies had donated to Republican Donald Trump’s presidential campaign through August, a sharp reversal from 2012, when nearly a third of the CEOs of Fortune 100 companies supported GOP nominee Mitt Romney.
During this year’s presidential primaries, 19 of the nation’s top CEOs gave to other Republican candidates, including former Gov. Jeb Bush and Sen. Marco Rubio of Florida, according to a Wall Street Journal analysis of campaign donations.

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dangerman  Sep 25, 2016 • 7:56:41pm

re: #157 klys (maker of Silmarils)

keeping up the running right?

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calochortus  Sep 25, 2016 • 7:57:52pm

re: #165 dangerman

keeping up the running right?

I hope she didn’t today-it was hot. Too hot.

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Charles Johnson  Sep 25, 2016 • 8:04:21pm
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Ziggy_TARDIS  Sep 25, 2016 • 8:12:43pm

Gravis Marketing polls came out, and they have a heavy Republican Lean.

Trump is up one in Ohio according to them, while he is up 4 in CO.

I will see if I can find demographics on it, because those numbers make no sense, considering Colorado is more educated, and more to the left. And that Mormons are shaky right now.

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Frankie Five Angels  Sep 25, 2016 • 8:13:13pm

Happy trails, King. I shot this of Palmer & Nicklaus together in 2013.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Sep 25, 2016 • 8:14:00pm

re: #168 Ziggy_TARDIS

Oh, commissioned by Breitbart.

Wait, so why is Silver including those polls? Because at that point, you have junk polls. Nate Silver is quickly losing more shine with me.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Sep 25, 2016 • 8:15:45pm

re: #165 dangerman

keeping up the running right?

Yep.

re: #166 calochortus

I hope she didn’t today-it was hot. Too hot.

Sunday’s a rest day for me. I typically don’t run the weekend days because of doing stuff with mr. klys anyway (this weekend was the renfaire, for example).

Tomorrow is 8 miles and I’m getting up earlier than normal to beat the heat. Plus I’ll be hauling my backpack of water, and I’ve got margarita flavored energy blocks to munch on as I go.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Sep 25, 2016 • 8:19:05pm

re: #170 Ziggy_TARDIS

Am I crazy for thinking that is Bullshit?

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calochortus  Sep 25, 2016 • 8:20:08pm

re: #171 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Run very early. Stay safe!

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Sep 25, 2016 • 8:20:42pm

re: #172 Ziggy_TARDIS

Am I crazy for thinking that is Bullshit?

Discarding polls because you don’t like the source or the commissioner is very close to unskewing them.

My two cents.

Nate’s model may not be doing as good a job of correcting for bias. I don’t know. He’s certainly of the opinion of including the polls and then attempting to correct for bias, instead of outright discarding. Is he getting it right? We’ll find out on November 9th.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Sep 25, 2016 • 8:21:05pm

re: #173 calochortus

Run very early. Stay safe!

I’ll check in when I’m done, I’m sure. Just me and the kitties until Thursday.

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BeachDem  Sep 25, 2016 • 8:22:26pm

re: #153 ObserverArt

Just getting in from an early evening show at Skully’s Music Diner here in Columbus. I’m going to go a bit with the title of this thread…my one buddy and I saw one incredibly full sonic performance.

The Dandy Warhols!

Damn. That was fine. They sure generate some atmospheric sounds. I’ve always wanted to see them thinking they would be good. They were more than I was expecting, they were great.

I was tripping without the use of chemicals!

All I know about the Dandy Warhols is the theme song from Veronica Mars—so big thumbs up (love the song/love the show)

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goddamnedfrank  Sep 25, 2016 • 8:23:08pm
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calochortus  Sep 25, 2016 • 8:23:29pm

re: #175 klys (maker of Silmarils)

I’ll check in when I’m done, I’m sure. Just me and the kitties until Thursday.

Do the kitties know how to dial 911 if you’re late with the cat food?

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Sep 25, 2016 • 8:23:52pm

re: #178 calochortus

Do the kitties know how to dial 911 if you’re late with the cat food?

I don’t need the cops here at 7:01am.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Sep 25, 2016 • 8:25:51pm

re: #174 klys (maker of Silmarils)

I guess I see your point.

I honestly am getting the feeling that Silver has gone up is own butt. The fact that he picked a fight earlier, only to get slapped down by Sam Wang is a good example.

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Stanley Sea  Sep 25, 2016 • 8:30:37pm

re: #169 Frankie Five Angels

Happy trails, King. I shot this of Palmer & Nicklaus together in 2013.

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Bravo. Very Sad loss.

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN  Sep 25, 2016 • 8:30:40pm

I think I’m going to need somebody to help me figure out how the real-time fact checking moderator will work. There are a couple issues.
While everybody rightly wants to see a whopper get squashed, keep in mind that puts the moderator into the debate instead of the other candidate. If Trump says that the blacks have never had it worse, would you rather have the moderator or Clinton put their foot down? I’d rather have Clinton do it. What about one of those distortions like “Hilary hates the police?” Trump interrupts to get the moderator to present as fact Trump’s opinion, and when the moderator doesn’t do it to Trump’s satisfaction (which is obviously impossible), the debate gets derailed by Trump and the mod bickering while Clinton was trying to make a point. You can easily get into a situation where the moderator is arguing with the candidate instead of the other candidate doing it. It’s a debate and the candidates should be doing the arguing.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Sep 25, 2016 • 8:34:22pm

re: #182 SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN

Sounds like a job for IBM’s Watson. Just load it it up with all the socio-economic data, crime statistics, yada yada…

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Feline Fearless Leader  Sep 25, 2016 • 8:35:02pm

re: #183 Eric The Fruit Bat

Sounds like a job for IBM’s Watson.

Does Watson get to control a laser or taser device of some sort as well?

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calochortus  Sep 25, 2016 • 8:35:06pm

re: #182 SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN

I think I’m going to need somebody to help me figure out how the real-time fact checking moderator will work. There are a couple issues.
While everybody rightly wants to see a whopper get squashed, keep in mind that puts the moderator into the debate instead of the other candidate. If Trump says that the blacks have never had it worse, would you rather have the moderator or Clinton put their foot down? I’d rather have Clinton do it. What about one of those distortions like “Hilary hates the police?” Trump interrupts to get the moderator to resent as fact Trump’s opinion, and when the moderator doesn’t do it to Trump’s satisfaction (which is obviously impossible), the debate gets derailed by Trump and the mod bickering while Clinton was trying to make a point. You can easily get into a situation where the moderator is arguing with the candidate instead of the other candidate doing it. It’s a debate and the candidates should be doing the arguing.

With a dozen other candidates on stage, there’s a lot of competition for time to get your views out, so the only person who is likely to spend time fact checking, it would be a moderator, but as you say, that is a dangerous thing to get into.
With just 2 people on stage, a moderator can turn to the other candidate Hillary and ask if she has a take on whatever egregious untruth Trump has just presented.

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Charles Johnson  Sep 25, 2016 • 8:37:14pm
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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Sep 25, 2016 • 8:37:45pm

re: #185 calochortus

With a dozen other candidates on stage, there’s a lot of competition for time to get your views out, so the only person who is likely to spend time fact checking, it would be a moderator, but as you say, that is a dangerous thing to get into.
With just 2 people on stage, a moderator can turn to the other candidate Hillary and ask if she has a take on whatever egregious untruth Trump has just presented.

All the moderator needs to do is cut the mic and allow Hillary time to respond.

Added bonus: we have to listen to Donald less.

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calochortus  Sep 25, 2016 • 8:39:40pm

re: #187 klys (maker of Silmarils)

All the moderator needs to do is cut the mic and allow Hillary time to respond.

Added bonus: we have to listen to Donald less.

The entertainment value of Donald with no mike has the potential to be yuge! But I don’t suppose they’ll do it.

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Feline Fearless Leader  Sep 25, 2016 • 8:41:05pm

re: #188 calochortus

The entertainment value of Donald with no mike has the potential to be yuge! But I don’t suppose they’ll do it.

I just want to hear Morbo the Annihilator’s quip as he cuts the mike on The Donald.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Sep 25, 2016 • 8:42:25pm

re: #184 Feline Fearless Leader

Not quite-every wrong answer causes a slight dosage increase in sodium pentaphol to increase one’s laibility for further questions.

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Interesting Times  Sep 25, 2016 • 8:42:33pm

re: #180 Ziggy_TARDIS

If you’re still looking for something to help you feel better/less tense about how things are going, maybe you could (if you’re in a position to donate) take part in this initiative:

Join us, in creating a 24 hour surge of support for Hillary. #9.26

Yesterday I was feeling somewhat helpless reading diaries filled with angst and concern over the polls, the surreal negative nature of the Trump circus, and the upcoming debate…

So to counteract that mood — yesterday I donated $9.26 to Hillary’s campaign. It helped.

Then I mentioned it to others. They did the same. They felt good. (I know because they told me it did)

It was our way of saying directly to Hillary: “This coming Monday 9/26/16, come what may, we are with you!”

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN  Sep 25, 2016 • 8:43:47pm

re: #185 calochortus

Isn’t the point of the debate to have Clinton respond anyway?

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Kragar  Sep 25, 2016 • 8:45:37pm

re: #186 Charles Johnson

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austin_blue  Sep 25, 2016 • 8:46:14pm

re: #94 Eric The Fruit Bat

BREAKING: Arnold Palmer, golfing legend, dies, age 87.

Well, dammit. He was my dad’s favorite. Whenever he played near us, we used to go and join Arnie’s Army. RIP.

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calochortus  Sep 25, 2016 • 8:48:07pm

re: #192 SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN

Isn’t the point of the debate to have Clinton respond anyway?

Yes, but rather than just going into a Gish Gallop of stupidity, the moderator could allow Hillary to dispute an individual point. I have faith that all of this will have occurred to Team Hillary and she will be prepared however it actually happens.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Sep 25, 2016 • 8:49:20pm

re: #191 Interesting Times

I emailed local person yesterday, hoping to hear back tomorrow.

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BeachDem  Sep 25, 2016 • 8:49:51pm

Hillary could take a page from the Biden playbook when Paul Ryan said idiotic crap. (The assholes who say she doesn’t smile enough would have to shut their pie-holes, but they’d probably say she was disrespectful—like the yam deserves any respect. )

It wouldn’t work, but I always like an opportunity to post pics of ole handsome Joe.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Sep 25, 2016 • 8:51:17pm

I wish I could personally debate Trump myself.

I am confident I could not only run circles around him, but I also know that I am harsh and vicious enough to probably hurt him.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Sep 25, 2016 • 8:53:14pm

re: #197 BeachDem

Hillary could take a page from the Biden playbook when Paul Ryan said idiotic crap. (The assholes who say she doesn’t smile enough would have to shut their pie-holes, but they’d probably say she was disrespectful—like the yam deserves any respect. )

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It wouldn’t work, but I always like an opportunity to post pics of ole handsome Joe.

That’s really the thing: if she interrupts him, she’s going to be hit as being disrespectful. If she waits for him to finish, she’s going to have 47 billion things to respond to and how do you prioritize? If she laughs, she’s being disrespectful.

Keep in mind, none of these qualifications would apply to her opponent, of course. He’d need to actually call her something beyond the pale for it to be an issue, and I do actually believe him self-aware enough to avoid that. At least some days. But he could talk right over her and no one would blink an eye.

That’s why I like the mic cutting idea.

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BeachDem  Sep 25, 2016 • 8:54:14pm

re: #196 Ziggy_TARDIS

I emailed local person yesterday, hoping to hear back tomorrow.

If you don’t hear back from the email, call them—if you have a phone #. They sometimes get inundated with communications, so don’t give up. They do need your help, and I think you’ll enjoy it as well.

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Great White Snark  Sep 25, 2016 • 8:57:10pm

re: #1 CuriousLurker

Ha! I was gonna post a long-assed comment downstairs, but I check first this time, so I’m gonna wait for everyone to show up here.

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jaunte  Sep 25, 2016 • 9:01:39pm

See it if you get the chance. Oliver makes a good comparison of the relative seriousness of scandals Clinton vs. Trump.

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jaunte  Sep 25, 2016 • 9:03:28pm

Looks like the show hit the target.

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BeachDem  Sep 25, 2016 • 9:04:39pm

re: #199 klys (maker of Silmarils)

That’s really the thing: if she interrupts him, she’s going to be hit as being disrespectful. If she waits for him to finish, she’s going to have 47 billion things to respond to and how do you prioritize? If she laughs, she’s being disrespectful.

Keep in mind, none of these qualifications would apply to her opponent, of course. He’d need to actually call her something beyond the pale for it to be an issue, and I do actually believe him self-aware enough to avoid that. At least some days. But he could talk right over her and no one would blink an eye.

That’s why I like the mic cutting idea.

If only (cutting the mic)—Kellyanne’s head would explode simultaneously with the yam’s.

I know, she can’t win for losing. I think back to when Biden had to debate Palin. He had to be a “gentleman” and couldn’t be too hard on her because she was a woman and she wasn’t very experienced. So she got to decide which questions she would answer and which she’d just ignore and spout her talking points as she waited for that one chance to land her “Say it ain’t so, Joe” zinger.*

He wiped the fucking floor with her, but the media gave her gigantic props for not peeing her pants.

Tomorrow, there will be no call for the yam to be a “gentleman,” but Hillary will be expected to observe certain protocols and be “a lady.” Sigh—it all just sucks.

*Lucky for Biden, there were no such restrictions when he debated the Zombie-eyed Granny Starver, so he could laugh and roll his eyes and say, “Malarkey” to his heart’s content.

*

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Sep 25, 2016 • 9:07:32pm

re: #204 BeachDem

You know it, I know it, I think a lot of women know it, and for sure Hillary knows it.

And yet she’s going to take this fight on anyway. That woman has a spine of steel and I have nothing but respect and admiration, because breaking that ceiling requires SO MUCH. SO MUCH. And yet she’s willing to give it.

Is some of that personal ambition? I sure as fuck hope so, because I don’t know if anyone is a good enough person to do that on altruism alone. And fuck, there’s personal ambition and ego in ANYONE who fucking runs for President, because it is ego to think you’re the best person for that damn job.

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Anymouse  Sep 25, 2016 • 9:07:36pm

re: #152 Eric The Fruit Bat

Well, remember the threat Reince made about not backing Hair Furor….

I knew Senator Cruz didn’t have much loyalty for anyone other than Senator Cruz, but wow. Endorsing the guy who smeared his wife in public and accused his father of assassinating John F. Kennedy?

The JFK thing was just crazy, but someone going after my wife like that would get something a lot different than my endorsement. Cruz really has no bottom apparently, so perhaps being in the basket with Mr. Trump is the right place for him.

(I wonder if Heidi Cruz is meeting with divorce lawyers over this. She doesn’t need Ted Cruz, considering her own considerable wealth.)

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Sep 25, 2016 • 9:08:34pm

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calochortus  Sep 25, 2016 • 9:13:08pm

re: #207 Ziggy_TARDIS

I would recommend standing up to people, rather than attacking them. Usually gets you better results, and you’re more likely to get support from others.

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BeachDem  Sep 25, 2016 • 9:13:46pm

re: #205 klys (maker of Silmarils)

You know it, I know it, I think a lot of women know it, and for sure Hillary knows it.

And yet she’s going to take this fight on anyway. That woman has a spine of steel and I have nothing but respect and admiration, because breaking that ceiling requires SO MUCH. SO MUCH. And yet she’s willing to give it.

Is some of that personal ambition? I sure as fuck hope so, because I don’t know if anyone is a good enough person to do that on altruism alone. And fuck, there’s personal ambition and ego in ANYONE who fucking runs for President, because it is ego to think you’re the best person for that damn job.

I agree 100% with every word.

Our county Dem party fundraiser was tonight and the theme (duh) was “Celebrating the Power of Women.” It was uplifting and inspiring. The keynote was Mandy Powers-Norrell—she is the one who gave the rebuttal to Icky Nikki’s State of the State and killed it.

She was one of the speakers at the National Federation of Dem Women convention earlier this year and was great, as she was tonight. I wouldn’t be surprised to see her run for governor some day.

She covered a lot of topics, from her upbringing in a mill town to how Repubs claim moral superiority but their actions don’t show it…(to be continued)

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austin_blue  Sep 25, 2016 • 9:15:46pm

re: #158 Joe Bacon

Just the thought of a 2018 Texas GOP Senate primary fight between Ted Cruz and Rick Perry warms the cockles of my heart! It will be a royal bloodletting!

Perry is kind of a parody of himself at this point. He has no real chance in the grinder of R politics in Texas for the Senate seat against Cruz. The best bet is probably Michael McCaul.

Rich as Croesus. Married into Clear Channel Communications money. Chairman of the House Committee on Homeland Security. Solidly hard right without being a Tea Party fanatic.

en.wikipedia.org

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Kragar  Sep 25, 2016 • 9:16:00pm
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Joe Bacon  Sep 25, 2016 • 9:17:14pm

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jaunte  Sep 25, 2016 • 9:19:30pm

Some people still doubt Russia is messing with this election.

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retired cynic  Sep 25, 2016 • 9:20:15pm

re: #213 jaunte

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Some people still doubt Russia is messing with this election.

WTF?

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Sep 25, 2016 • 9:20:15pm

re: #207 Ziggy_TARDIS

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retired cynic  Sep 25, 2016 • 9:21:14pm

re: #215 Ziggy_TARDIS

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You do what seems right to you, but I really like that photo!

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calochortus  Sep 25, 2016 • 9:21:51pm

I’m going to say good night. Hasta mañana, Lizards.

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Big Beautiful Door  Sep 25, 2016 • 9:22:16pm

re: #204 BeachDem

If only (cutting the mic)—Kellyanne’s head would explode simultaneously with the yam’s.

I know, she can’t win for losing. I think back to when Biden had to debate Palin. He had to be a “gentleman” and couldn’t be too hard on her because she was a woman and she wasn’t very experienced. So she got to decide which questions she would answer and which she’d just ignore and spout her talking points as she waited for that one chance to land her “Say it ain’t so, Joe” zinger.*

He wiped the fucking floor with her, but the media gave her gigantic props for not peeing her pants.

Tomorrow, there will be no call for the yam to be a “gentleman,” but Hillary will be expected to observe certain protocols and be “a lady.” Sigh—it all just sucks.

*Lucky for Biden, there were no such restrictions when he debated the Zombie-eyed Granny Starver, so he could laugh and roll his eyes and say, “Malarkey” to his heart’s content.

*

Trump is already pretty unpopular, so there aren’t that many to peel off from his support with attacks on him. Clinton’s real challenge is to give enough voters reasons to vote for her. Since the media is usually focused on whatever Trump is saying or doing, the Debate is the one great opportunity Clinton has to talk about her popular policy ideas during a forum which 100 million people will be watching, and they’ll finally hear something about her besides her damn emails. That is where the low hanging fruit is, undecideds leery of Trump who just need a reason to vote for Clinton.

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jaunte  Sep 25, 2016 • 9:22:23pm

re: #207 Ziggy_TARDIS

I hope if you need to move that you find a more supportive community.

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jaunte  Sep 25, 2016 • 9:24:08pm

re: #214 retired cynic

WTF?

They’re destined to be disappointed, but they want to split from the country.

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retired cynic  Sep 25, 2016 • 9:25:08pm

re: #220 jaunte

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They’re destined to be disappointed, but they want to split from the country.

They sure have no clue. They are not even within a planet of a clue.

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jaunte  Sep 25, 2016 • 9:26:37pm

It’s completely bizarre that the Kremlin is funding the Texas separatist movement.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Sep 25, 2016 • 9:28:40pm

re: #219 jaunte

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Big Beautiful Door  Sep 25, 2016 • 9:29:15pm

re: #222 jaunte

It’s completely bizarre that the Kremlin is funding the Texas separatist movement.

I think they have a fantasy that the US will break up like the Soviet Union did. A few years back some Russian even posted a map of the hypothetical countries the US might separate into.

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jaunte  Sep 25, 2016 • 9:31:37pm

re: #224 Big Beautiful Door

The Texas secession movement doesn’t have a good grasp of how integrated our economy is with the rest of the country. Defense contracts alone would keep us in the union, and that’s just the tip of the iceberg.

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austin_blue  Sep 25, 2016 • 9:32:30pm

re: #220 jaunte

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They’re destined to be disappointed, but they want to split from the country.

It’s pipe dream.

“But is it actually legal for Texas to leave the United States?

Simply put, the answer is no. Historical and legal precedents make it clear that Texas could not pull off a Texit — at least not legally.

“The legality of seceding is problematic,” said Eric McDaniel, associate professor of government at the University of Texas at Austin. “The Civil War played a very big role in establishing the power of the federal government and cementing that the federal government has the final say in these issues.”

Many historians believe that when the Confederacy surrendered at Appomattox in 1865, the idea of secession was also defeated, according to McDaniel. The Union’s victory set a precedent that states could not legally secede.

It is also important to note that the European Union is a loose association of compound states with pre-existing protocols for a nation to exit. In contrast, the U.S. Constitution contains procedures for admitting new states into the nation, but none for a state to leave.

Yet the myth that Texas can easily secede persists, in part, because of the state’s history of independence.

Texas declared independence from Mexico in 1836 and spent the next nine years as its own nation. While the young country’s leaders first expressed interest in becoming a state in 1836, the Republic of Texas did not join the United States until 1845, when Congress approved the Joint Resolution for Annexing Texas to the United States.

This resolution, which stipulated that Texas could, in the future, choose to divide itself into “New States of convenient size not exceeding four in number, in addition to said State of Texas” is often a cause of confusion about the state’s ability to secede. But the language of the resolution is clear: Texas can split itself into five new states. It says nothing of splitting apart from the United States.”

So that’s that. Nothing in Texas law allows an arbitrary secession from the US.

Oops, updated: source-

texastribune.org

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Anymouse  Sep 25, 2016 • 9:36:28pm

re: #170 Ziggy_TARDIS

Oh, commissioned by Breitbart.

Wait, so why is Silver including those polls? Because at that point, you have junk polls. Nate Silver is quickly losing more shine with me.

I prefer Sam Wang, who is not in it for the money.

election.princeton.edu

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retired cynic  Sep 25, 2016 • 9:36:52pm

re: #226 austin_blue

I’ve read about that before, and I can see why Russia would want to meddle, with Putin flexing his muscles, but that real live human beings would go over there and appear to be serious — OMFG.

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TedStriker  Sep 25, 2016 • 9:37:31pm

re: #222 jaunte

It’s completely bizarre that the Kremlin is funding the Texas separatist movement.

It makes perfect sense….a fractured and splintered US, fully occupied with insurgency, secession and the economic devastation this would mean (not just for all of us here, but worldwide), would be hard-pressed to remain a part of NATO and be able to help defend Japan and South Korea.

Putin’s Russia would, more-or-less, have a free hand in any foreign excursions, because we would be unable to act as a check against them.

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BeachDem  Sep 25, 2016 • 9:37:51pm

re: #209 BeachDem

Yeah, I’m replying to myself. So?

More on Mandy Powers-Norrell. When she was talking about Trump and how he wants to go “back” to a time when he thinks America was great, she (paraphrasing here) said that before she would jump on a train, she’d damn well want to know where it was going—like, how far back? To Jim Crow/segregation days? To days when women couldn’t work outside the home? Or vote? Or own property? To sharecropper days? Slavery day?

Why would anyone want to go backward instead of forward? Especially women, who are on the brink of a major breakthrough.

She talked about when the confederate flag came down and how the Repubicans were patting themselves on the back for finally doing something they should have done long ago. I wish she would post a transcript—it was a great speech. Some of it was from her state of the state rebuttal, but much was new and really powerful. The woman is going places, I tells ya.

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jaunte  Sep 25, 2016 • 9:38:12pm

I hope our intelligence services are keeping an eye on them.

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retired cynic  Sep 25, 2016 • 9:38:58pm

re: #230 BeachDem

That’s the way I felt when I first heard Obama. That man is going places.

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Big Beautiful Door  Sep 25, 2016 • 9:43:12pm

re: #225 jaunte

The Texas secession movement doesn’t have a good grasp of how integrated our economy is with the rest of the country. Defense contracts alone would keep us in the union, and that’s just the tip of the iceberg.

The secessionists are a small number of sovereign citizen type cranks who can occasionally get violent.

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BeachDem  Sep 25, 2016 • 9:50:21pm

re: #232 retired cynic

That’s the way I felt when I first heard Obama. That man is going places.

Yep. And I’ve mentioned before that the first time I heard Bakari Sellers talk, I imagined it was the same as when people heard a young Obama (Sellers was about 25 the first time I heard him speak.)

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scottslemmons  Sep 25, 2016 • 9:52:34pm

re: #199 klys (maker of Silmarils)

That’s really the thing: if she interrupts him, she’s going to be hit as being disrespectful. If she waits for him to finish, she’s going to have 47 billion things to respond to and how do you prioritize? If she laughs, she’s being disrespectful.

Keep in mind, none of these qualifications would apply to her opponent, of course. He’d need to actually call her something beyond the pale for it to be an issue, and I do actually believe him self-aware enough to avoid that.

If Trump called Clinton a bitch or anything like it during the debate, the press corps would orgasm so hard, they’d drown in their own fluids.

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austin_blue  Sep 25, 2016 • 10:31:55pm

re: #228 retired cynic

I’ve read about that before, and I can see why Russia would want to meddle, with Putin flexing his muscles, but that real live human beings would go over there and appear to be serious — OMFG.

Texas is a very weird place right now.

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teleskiguy  Sep 25, 2016 • 10:32:04pm

re: #169 Frankie Five Angels

Yep, you’re a pro!

Free ski lessons in exchange for some photographs!

heh heh :-D

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teleskiguy  Sep 25, 2016 • 10:40:27pm

I hate golf. Nonetheless I recognize Arnold Palmer’s value to the human race. He designed a golf course seven miles from my current twenty and it is public, open to anyone who wants to pay $99 for an 18 hole round.

Did I mention that I hate golf?

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austin_blue  Sep 25, 2016 • 10:42:17pm

re: #229 TedStriker

It makes perfect sense….a fractured and splintered US, fully occupied with insurgency, secession and the economic devastation this would mean (not just for all of us here, but worldwide), would be hard-pressed to remain a part of NATO and be able to help defend Japan and South Korea.

Putin’s Russia would, more-or-less, have a free hand in any foreign excursions, because we would be unable to act as a check against them.

Well, that’s the pipe dream. The fact is that Russia has no fucking money right now with the embargoes the west has placed upon them and the low price of oil and gas. So they are spending what they have on the alt.right idjits to expand what influence they have on our polity before this election. It’s a cheap backdoor form of influence.

The people who participate in this are, not to put too fine point on it, traitors to the ideals of the United States. Useful idiots, led by the Toxic Cheetoh Poo-flinging Shit Gibbon.

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sagehen  Sep 25, 2016 • 11:30:43pm

re: #147 Eric The Fruit Bat

What a load of horseshit-anybody who knew anything knew it was Phil Gramm and his crew that pushed threw the massive deregulation bills that laid the seeds for the Great Recession-followed on by lax oversight and enforcement by the regulators, the ratings agencies, robo-signing fraud and the whole mess that is MERS.

GMAFB.

Gramm pushed it, but Bill Clinton didn’t have to sign it. It was after the midterms, he had no more elections to worry about. And if he were worried about his reputation or his legacy he wouldn’t have pardoned Marc Rich. I’m not letting him off the hook for this. If he’d vetoed it, it would have passed again a year later and GWB would have signed it, and the blame wouldn’t have to be shared.

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sagehen  Sep 25, 2016 • 11:49:13pm

re: #236 austin_blue

Texas is has always been a very weird place right now.

FTFY

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Birth Control Works  Sep 26, 2016 • 6:04:20am

re: #186 Charles Johnson

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Birth Control Works  Sep 26, 2016 • 6:04:59am

re: #191 Interesting Times

If you’re still looking for something to help you feel better/less tense about how things are going, maybe you could (if you’re in a position to donate) take part in this initiative:

Join us, in creating a 24 hour surge of support for Hillary. #9.26

I bought a woman card. You are right, it did make me feel better.


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Detroit Local Powers First EV Charging Road in North America The road, about a mile from Local 58's hall, uses rubber-coated copper inductive-charging coils buried under the asphalt that transfer power to a receiver pad attached to a car's underbelly, much like how a phone can be charged wirelessly. ...
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