The Bob & Chez Show: The First Debate

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Today’s program from our podcasting affiliate, The Bob & Chez Show:

The First Debate: It’s a complete recap of the first debate between Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump; Birtherism; Trump’s temperament; Trump’s tax returns; The Iraq War; Hillary’s presidential look; Trump’s excuses; The Eff You Election; and more.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 27, 2016 • 2:00:48pm

I got up this morning (Central European Time) and checked the headlines in newsmax to see them reveling over a Trump victory. Instead it was a neutral headline : Trump and Clinton Spar on Major Issues, or something the like.

That was when I knew that DT had clearly blown it: even a right-wing flagship like newsmax could not bring itself to declare him uncontested victor.

Everything else I saw and read about it today confirmed that conclusion.

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Dr. Matt  Sep 27, 2016 • 2:02:59pm

*mic drop*

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Sep 27, 2016 • 2:04:25pm
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blueraven  Sep 27, 2016 • 2:04:40pm

Win!

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gocart mozart  Sep 27, 2016 • 2:06:10pm
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Wozza Matter?  Sep 27, 2016 • 2:07:48pm

So, um, hai.

have i missed anything?

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Jenner7  Sep 27, 2016 • 2:09:01pm

Get the deplorables….

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Sir John Barron  Sep 27, 2016 • 2:09:49pm

re: #7 Jenner7

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Get the deplorables….

Maybe he’ll include the Lock Her Up chants.

Very classy.

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wrenchwench  Sep 27, 2016 • 2:09:51pm

re: #6 Wozza Matter?

So, um, hai.

have i missed anything?

Not much….hi!

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blueraven  Sep 27, 2016 • 2:10:03pm

re: #6 Wozza Matter?

So, um, hai.

have i missed anything?

Jesus wars.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 27, 2016 • 2:10:18pm

Just struck me that when DT was at the Republican debates, the entire show revolved around him by nature of his celebrity status and dominant personality. He had trouble holding his own in a setting where he was not the focus of attention.

I would suspect that his strategy for any upcoming debates will be to try to wrest control of and hold center stage at all costs.

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Tigger2  Sep 27, 2016 • 2:12:39pm
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gocart mozart  Sep 27, 2016 • 2:13:01pm
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Jenner7  Sep 27, 2016 • 2:13:31pm

They’ve got phone banking at the rally too. Definitely for the new ad…

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Wozza Matter?  Sep 27, 2016 • 2:13:53pm

re: #9 wrenchwench

Not much….hi!

HI !!!!!!

good to know nowt’s occured in my absence around here, atleast thats a constant.
i mean, rest of the worlds going to hell - it’s not like Trumps about to become president, the UK is leaving the EU or half the celebrities in the world have died :(

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Wozza Matter?  Sep 27, 2016 • 2:14:16pm

re: #10 blueraven

Jesus wars.

THE BESTEST WARS

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Sep 27, 2016 • 2:14:34pm
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Wozza Matter?  Sep 27, 2016 • 2:15:32pm

re: #10 blueraven

Jesus wars.

any casualties?

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Sir John Barron  Sep 27, 2016 • 2:16:16pm

re: #11 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Just struck me that when DT was at the Republican debates, the entire show revolved around him by nature of his celebrity status and dominant personality. He had trouble holding his own in a setting where he was not the focus of attention.

I would suspect that his strategy for any upcoming debates will be to try to wrest control of and hold center stage at all costs.

Well, Trump benefited during the primaries because he was (1) in the lead to start; (2) always saying wacky stuff; and there wasn’t (3) much interest in policy stuff.

So, naturally Trump was the focus of the GOP debates.

But last night, in addition to not having 15 other candidates running interference, Trump wasn’t leading and there was more interest in policy stuff since one of these two candidates will ultimately win the WH.

In short, I don’t think the GOP primary debates ever got beyond the clownshow stage. It was a game, far removed from the actual realities of governing. That’s different now. Shit just got real.

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Wozza Matter?  Sep 27, 2016 • 2:18:15pm

re: #19 Sir John Barron

Yup. Saw a breakdown of actually how long he’d had to speak at the clowncar debates, piss all to be honest

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 27, 2016 • 2:18:34pm

re: #19 Sir John Barron

Well, Trump benefited during the primaries because he was (1) in the lead to start; (2) always saying wacky stuff; and there wasn’t (3) much interest in policy stuff.

Yes, and once he had gained a certain critical mass of delegates, he had momentum on his side.

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ObserverArt  Sep 27, 2016 • 2:18:44pm

re: #11 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Just struck me that when DT was at the Republican debates, the entire show revolved around him by nature of his celebrity status and dominant personality. He had trouble holding his own in a setting where he was not the focus of attention.

I would suspect that his strategy for any upcoming debates will be to try to wrest control of and hold center stage at all costs.

Well, he had more commenting time compared to Hillary last night and that didn’t help him. In fact, they way he used it being an angry whiner most likely cost him.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 27, 2016 • 2:19:51pm

re: #20 Wozza Matter?

Yup. Saw a breakdown of actually how long he’d had to speak at the clowncar debates, piss all to be honest

Because his very presence there spoke volumes. And that is his appeal: whatever happens comes out of his mouth at any particular speech or rally is almost irrelevant to him simply occupying space and radiating his personality.

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Romantic Heretic  Sep 27, 2016 • 2:20:37pm

re: #18 Wozza Matter?

any casualties?

Just a lot of people’s faith.

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Sir John Barron  Sep 27, 2016 • 2:20:43pm

re: #21 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Yes, and once he had gained a certain critical mass of delegates, he had momentum on his side.

And from the beginning he was, surprisingly, ahead, and the other candidates were basically on the defensive, ironically, because there was pressure for them to do or say something to dislodge Trump from his position. And none of the clownshow was up to the task. And of course it turned out that, in addition to not giving a shit about policy, the GOP base was willing to accept a talking yam as a candidate.

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wrenchwench  Sep 27, 2016 • 2:20:43pm

re: #18 Wozza Matter?

any casualties?

None that can’t rise again.

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Wozza Matter?  Sep 27, 2016 • 2:21:21pm

re: #26 wrenchwench

Roll away the stone.

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dangerman  Sep 27, 2016 • 2:22:03pm

re: #11 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Just struck me that when DT was at the Republican debates, the entire show revolved around him by nature of his celebrity status and dominant personality. He had trouble holding his own in a setting where he was not the focus of attention.

I would suspect that his strategy for any upcoming debates will be to try to wrest control of and hold center stage at all costs.

the format pretty much doesnt allow that

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Stanley Sea  Sep 27, 2016 • 2:22:07pm
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 27, 2016 • 2:22:40pm

re: #25 Sir John Barron

And of course it turned out that, in addition to not giving a shit about policy, the GOP base was willing to accept a talking yam as a candidate.

And once he had that mass of delegates, the GOP leadership was powerless to stop him for fear of totally alienating its base. It had made a deal with the Devil and he was calling in his casino chips.

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Sir John Barron  Sep 27, 2016 • 2:23:07pm

The Wash Post editorial today commented on the Debate last night and basically said, There’s One Actual Candidate and on the other side A Talking Yam. They also said outright that the GOP primary process failed.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 27, 2016 • 2:24:58pm

re: #31 Sir John Barron

The Wash Post editorial today commented on the Debate last night and basically said, There’s One Actual Candidate and on the other side A Talking Yam. They also said outright that the GOP primary process failed.

The GOP is going to be doing a post-mortem on a dead whale that bloated up and exploded.

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Dr. Matt  Sep 27, 2016 • 2:25:42pm
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Sir John Barron  Sep 27, 2016 • 2:26:16pm

re: #30 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

And once he had that mass of delegates, the GOP leadership was powerless to stop him for fear of totally alienating its base. It had made a deal with the Devil and he was calling in his casino chips.

And once he started piling up delegates, the pressure on the other candidates to change the dynamics of the race increased. And none could do it. The highly touted GOP field—even I thought it was a pretty strong cast, on paper—turned out to be a bunch of empty suits. Cruz was the most ideologically conservative candidate, but Jeb and Rubio were probably the best two candidates to over take Trump. But Rubio turned out to be out of his league and Jeb was probably just running to continue the family business.

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Varek Raith  Sep 27, 2016 • 2:26:52pm

re: #6 Wozza Matter?

So, um, hai.

have i missed anything?

How the hell have ya been???

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ObserverArt  Sep 27, 2016 • 2:27:23pm

re: #25 Sir John Barron

And from the beginning he was, surprisingly, ahead, and the other candidates were basically on the defensive, ironically, because there was pressure for them to do or say something to dislodge Trump from his position. And none of the clownshow was up to the task. And of course it turned out that, in addition to not giving a shit about policy, the GOP base was willing to accept a talking yam as a candidate.

They had to step around him lightly because they couldn’t lose any of the people that supported him. That is not a concern with Hillary, she is after the people undecided and they are not all Republicans, many are independents and also lost in the woods Democrats.

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Charles Johnson  Sep 27, 2016 • 2:28:54pm

Looks like the kitteh feels the same about a shirt as it does about a cone.

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calochortus  Sep 27, 2016 • 2:30:48pm

re: #36 ObserverArt

They had to step around him lightly because they couldn’t lose any of the people that supported him. That is not a concern with Hillary, she is after the people undecided and they are not all Republicans, many are independents and also lost in the woods Democrats.

Also, a very large percentage of the population didn’t take Trump seriously at first. Early in the GOP debates, a friend told me she loved watching because Trump was so funny-reminded her of when she lived in NYC, etc. Now? She’s terrified he will win.

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majii  Sep 27, 2016 • 2:31:08pm

re: #31 Sir John Barron

“They also said outright that the GOP primary process failed.”

Yet, neither Rince Priebus nor any other GOP movers and shakers want to accept responsibility for the resulting clown/sh*t show. They have all conveniently forgotten the steady diet of lies, conspiracy theories, propaganda, the promotion of their ideological beliefs over science and governance, etc., that they’ve fed their supporters for decades. In 2016, they suddenly wanted a viable GOP candidate but were hobbled by their very own GOP-created true believers.

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mmmirele  Sep 27, 2016 • 2:32:16pm

re: #37 Charles Johnson

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Looks like the kitteh feels the same about a shirt as it does about a cone.

I have to remember this for the next time a cat needs a cone. I had a cat who was a bloody escape artist when it came to the cone. Drove me nuts.

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Charles Johnson  Sep 27, 2016 • 2:32:21pm

A lot of Trump fans are retweeting this. Not sure why they think it’s good that Trump didn’t delete this tweet.

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Wozza Matter?  Sep 27, 2016 • 2:33:09pm

re: #35 Varek Raith

How the hell have ya been???

SSDD.
Playing hard. Drinking hard.
Working hard. Single *again* - (winks at the ladies present)

Everything changes and nothing changes.

The seasons turn and the earth is due to fry a couple of million years earlier than expected. I’m working on that whole Power Of Positivity thing.

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Dr. Matt  Sep 27, 2016 • 2:33:36pm
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HappyWarrior  Sep 27, 2016 • 2:38:43pm

re: #43 Dr. Matt

4chan and Reddit bombarded debate polls to declare Trump the winner

Insert shocked face

Well that just changes everything. //

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FormerDirtDart  Sep 27, 2016 • 2:40:52pm

Hmmm…
Yet another confirmation the US Senate will fail to act on in 2016?

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Stanley Sea  Sep 27, 2016 • 2:41:46pm

re: #37 Charles Johnson

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Looks like the kitteh feels the same about a shirt as it does about a cone.

My chewy kitty would eat the shirt to get it off.

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Varek Raith  Sep 27, 2016 • 2:43:23pm

re: #46 Stanley Sea

My chewy kitty would eat the shirt to get it off.

I’d be dead before I even got that on my cat.

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nines09  Sep 27, 2016 • 2:43:31pm

re: #37 Charles Johnson

“I said Paisley or Madras. Can’t you hear?”

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HappyWarrior  Sep 27, 2016 • 2:43:47pm

re: #45 FormerDirtDart

Hmmm…
Yet another confirmation the US Senate will fail to act on in 2016?

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No ambassadorial nominations during election years. //

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majii  Sep 27, 2016 • 2:44:56pm

re: #46 Stanley Sea

“My chewy kitty would eat the shirt to get it off.”

I suspect your kitty would eat that shirt off the same way my dog ate several harnesses. He didn’t like them, and, iirc, he destroyed at least three of them. After that, I gave up. I refused to keep spending money on something I learned he hated so much that he’d chew them into pieces, making them unusable.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 27, 2016 • 2:49:23pm

re: #11 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Just struck me that when DT was at the Republican debates, the entire show revolved around him by nature of his celebrity status and dominant personality. He had trouble holding his own in a setting where he was not the focus of attention.

I would suspect that his strategy for any upcoming debates will be to try to wrest control of and hold center stage at all costs.

And yet, he DID hold center stage, and that was his undoing. Both Holt and to an even greater extent Clinton just let him talk. Hillary pushed a few buttons to get him mad, and Holt asked completely predictable questions, and Trump turned into a babbling mess onstage.

Two things that helped him in the GOP Primary debates screwed him last night:

First, the Primary debates had multiple participants, so Trump only had to speak when he wanted to, and he could let the other guys talk when he didn’t. Thus, he limited his time on camera to when he CHOSE TO BE on camera, and only spoke when he chose to. Last night, he was on camera THE WHOLE TIME. And he couldn’t stand back and let the others talk when he had nothing to say. He had to answer.

Second, the Primary debates had poorly controlled, raucous, partisan audiences, while the audience last night had agreed to ‘no applause, no reaction’. All his applause lines dropped into silence. He feeds on the applause, and that’s why his rallies are effective - he’s reading the audience. When the audience is silent, it tells him nothing about how well he’s doing.

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KGxvi  Sep 27, 2016 • 2:49:44pm

re: #45 FormerDirtDart

Hmmm…
Yet another confirmation the US Senate will fail to act on in 2016?

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While it would likely cause a stir in my family, I would so love that job.

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FormerDirtDart  Sep 27, 2016 • 2:50:52pm
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Apocalypse  Sep 27, 2016 • 2:51:46pm

re: #43 Dr. Matt

Thank you! I wondered which board of 4C was doing it, /b/ would at least have some bizarre reasoning, give or take for the lolz that don would take it as legit results (as he is now). /pol/? No questions about motive. I haven’t visited the Chans in a long time, but I doubt its change that much, /pol/ was somehow more racist and Anti-Semitic then /b/.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 27, 2016 • 2:53:11pm

re: #48 nines09

“I said Paisley or Bleeding Madras. Can’t you hear?”

Fixed that for accuracy (also a throwback nod to a popular fabric in the 1960s).

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 27, 2016 • 2:53:30pm

re: #37 Charles Johnson

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Looks like the kitteh feels the same about a shirt as it does about a cone.

We did the same thing for Rango when he had a stitches on his flank.

Look at that nerdy Greyhound, wearing a Linux shirt!
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 27, 2016 • 2:54:41pm

re: #50 majii

“My chewy kitty would eat the shirt to get it off.”

I suspect your kitty would eat that shirt off the same way my dog ate several harnesses. He didn’t like them, and, iirc, he destroyed at least three of them. After that, I gave up. I refused to keep spending money on something I learned he hated so much that he’d chew them into pieces, making them unusable.

Our beloved AmStaff (RIP) had surgery on his leg. In the 30 minutes it took to drive home from the veterinarian, he had managed to not only destroy his cone, but he also removed six staples from the surgical wound.

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goddamnedfrank  Sep 27, 2016 • 2:55:08pm
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HappyWarrior  Sep 27, 2016 • 2:55:49pm

re: #51 Blind Frog Belly White

And yet, he DID hold center stage, and that was his undoing. Both Holt and to an even greater extent Clinton just let him talk. Hillary pushed a few buttons to get him mad, and Holt asked completely predictable questions, and Trump turned into a babbling mess onstage.

Two things that helped him in the GOP Primary debates screwed him last night:

First, the Primary debates had multiple participants, so Trump only had to speak when he wanted to, and he could let the other guys talk when he didn’t. Thus, he limited his time on camera to when he CHOSE TO BE on camera, and only spoke when he chose to. Last night, he was on camera THE WHOLE TIME. And he couldn’t stand back and let the others talk when he had nothing to say. He had to answer.

Second, the Primary debates had poorly controlled, raucous, partisan audiences, while the audience last night had agreed to ‘no applause, no reaction’. All his applause lines dropped into silence. He feeds on the applause, and that’s why his rallies are effective - he’s reading the audience. When the audience is silent, it tells him nothing about how well he’s doing.

You make some good observations about how the atmosphere of the primary debates which helped him there proved to be his undoing last night. Next debate should be interesting since it’s Townhall format. He’ll have some friendlies there but some not so friendlies. I’m hoping he gets a tough question to really throw him off. I’m hoping someone calls attention to his hypocrisy on trade. He loves to make himself to be Mr. Anti-free trade yet his brands are all made overseas.

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makeitstop  Sep 27, 2016 • 2:56:10pm

re: #34 Sir John Barron

And once he started piling up delegates, the pressure on the other candidates to change the dynamics of the race increased. And none could do it. The highly touted GOP field—even I thought it was a pretty strong cast, on paper—turned out to be a bunch of empty suits. Cruz was the most ideologically conservative candidate, but Jeb and Rubio were probably the best two candidates to over take Trump. But Rubio turned out to be out of his league and Jeb was probably just running to continue the family business.

I thought Rubio actually got closest to taking him down with the ‘small hands’ stuff. But close only counts with horseshoes and hand grenades.

And besides, Little Marco didn’t want to offend the future Deplorables.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 27, 2016 • 2:57:41pm

re: #60 makeitstop

I thought Rubio actually got closest to taking him down with the ‘small hands’ stuff. But close only counts with horseshoes and hand grenades.

And besides, Little Marco didn’t want to offend the future Deplorables.

I think Rubio had his own problems but I do agree that Rubio probably got under his skin the most.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 27, 2016 • 2:57:51pm

re: #40 mmmirele

I have to remember this for the next time a cat needs a cone. I had a cat who was a bloody escape artist when it came to the cone. Drove me nuts.

Fun fact - you can’t use a cone on a Greyhound. Their heads are smaller than their necks. Same reason you can’t walk then using a standard collar. They slide right off.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 27, 2016 • 3:00:34pm

Honestly I don’t know how much the debates mean to the average voter but I was very impressed by Clinton last night. She showed exactly why she won her party’s nomination. She’s smart, accomplished, and understands the issues that not only face our country but our planet as a whole. No other candidate in either party came close to that in the primaries. I just love how Trump rants about the “hacks” but he has a bunch of insiders working for him.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 27, 2016 • 3:01:21pm
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austin_blue  Sep 27, 2016 • 3:01:42pm

re: #6 Wozza Matter?

So, um, hai.

have i missed anything?

Nope. Same old same old. Nothing to see here…

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Interesting Times  Sep 27, 2016 • 3:04:20pm

re: #62 Blind Frog Belly White

Not sure if you saw my earlier comment, but I think I found the debate clip you mentioned last night.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 27, 2016 • 3:07:27pm

Nope, “being a bore” wasn’t the worst thing:

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HappyWarrior  Sep 27, 2016 • 3:08:27pm

re: #67 Backwoods_Sleuth

Nope, “being a bore” wasn’t the worst thing:

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Yawn NRO. Just fold already.

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wrenchwench  Sep 27, 2016 • 3:09:41pm

re: #67 Backwoods_Sleuth

Nope, “being a bore” wasn’t the worst thing:

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So, what’s NRO, an entertainment site?

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Tigger2  Sep 27, 2016 • 3:09:44pm
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goddamnedfrank  Sep 27, 2016 • 3:10:44pm
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HappyWarrior  Sep 27, 2016 • 3:11:48pm

re: #71 goddamnedfrank

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I saw that earlier. What the hell is Moore’s problem? Oh, I’m sorry Mike that she didn’t promise you everything you wanted. I swear Moore’s no different from the right wing hacks that are only happy if they’re miserable.

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wrenchwench  Sep 27, 2016 • 3:12:42pm

re: #71 goddamnedfrank

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[We found Trump’s coke dealer. twitter.com ]

Oh, look. It is ‘Defective Mike’.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 27, 2016 • 3:13:03pm

LOL

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Tigger2  Sep 27, 2016 • 3:13:36pm

re: #72 HappyWarrior

I saw that earlier. What the hell is Moore’s problem? Oh, I’m sorry Mike that she didn’t promise you everything you wanted. I swear Moore’s no different from the right wing hacks that are only happy if they’re miserable.

Wasn’t he a big Berniebro.

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Wozza Matter?  Sep 27, 2016 • 3:13:52pm

re: #67 Backwoods_Sleuth

He was a crashing bore.

merriam-webster.com

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 27, 2016 • 3:14:09pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 27, 2016 • 3:14:45pm
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HappyWarrior  Sep 27, 2016 • 3:15:08pm

re: #75 Tigger2

Wasn’t he a big Berniebro.

Pretty sure he was. Not surprised. It’s just annoying. He’s been saying we’re doomed and Trump is going to win and there’s nothing we can for months now.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 27, 2016 • 3:15:35pm

re: #78 Backwoods_Sleuth

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I really hope McCain loses. I have no respect for him anymore.

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Wozza Matter?  Sep 27, 2016 • 3:15:49pm

re: #72 HappyWarrior

He’s been on that line of thought a while

michaelmoore.com

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HappyWarrior  Sep 27, 2016 • 3:16:19pm

re: #81 Wozza Matter?

He’s been on that line of thought a while

michaelmoore.com

Yeah I know. It’s obnoxious.

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Tigger2  Sep 27, 2016 • 3:17:06pm

re: #79 HappyWarrior

Pretty sure he was. Not surprised. It’s just annoying. He’s been saying we’re doomed and Trump is going to win and there’s nothing we can for months now.

He was and still is living the fantasy that only Bernie could beat Trump.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 27, 2016 • 3:17:49pm

re: #83 Tigger2

He was and still is living the fantasy that only Bernie could beat Trump.

Yep.

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goddamnedfrank  Sep 27, 2016 • 3:19:52pm
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Varek Raith  Sep 27, 2016 • 3:20:01pm

re: #71 goddamnedfrank

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He’s such a chicken shit.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 27, 2016 • 3:21:34pm

re: #85 goddamnedfrank

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Blue collar billionaire though. //

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 27, 2016 • 3:27:06pm
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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Sep 27, 2016 • 3:27:30pm
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Wozza Matter?  Sep 27, 2016 • 3:28:53pm

I will offer a word of caution - *nobody* thought the people of the UK would be so crass, xenophobic, idiotic, churlish, economically illiterate and generally stupid enough to vote to leave a staple trading bloc of the world.
Facts, logic & reasoned argument counted for nothing.

I spoke to people who could give no solid reason for making a vote against the economic future of the UK, yet they did it anyway. They have thrown away the economy and polling suggests many would do it again. It’s ‘gut feeling’, ‘taking back control’, ‘too many foreigners’ - the same messages Trump is pushing to an even lower information electorate.

I saw an interview the other week with a guy who’s been travelling the states and going to the Podunk towns and he is convinced Trump will win because while folks were confident enough to tell him they would vote for Trump they clammed up as soon as a reporter or pollster asked. There are likely to be a massive number of under reported trump voters.

Just a friendly warning from somewhere the electorate actually did decide to pull this kind of shit

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 27, 2016 • 3:31:20pm
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freetoken  Sep 27, 2016 • 3:35:22pm

re: #90 Wozza Matter?

I concur that there are many people who will vote for Drumpfskind for no reason but reactionary impulses (see my reference to adrenal glands last night.)

On my Facebook wall there are Drumpfskind supporters, all of whom would fit the stereotypes people here could easily list.

And there is no changing their minds.

While the “intellectuals” in Republican circles may be aghast at Drumpfskind for the stupid things he says, the mass of voters have no such concerns over the fine details of foreign policy or fiscal policy.

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Apocalypse  Sep 27, 2016 • 3:35:45pm

re: #90 Wozza Matter?

I remember a comment somewhere said that they wanted to give a kicking to Cameron and Osborne. Not a logical reason, but they at least got what they wanted in that respect.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Sep 27, 2016 • 3:36:24pm

re: #90 Wozza Matter?

Claiming there are massive amounts of underreported Trump voters comes very close to unskewing the polls. Too close for me to really take it seriously.

Anyway it’s almost time for the best time of the year to start and I am off for my evening. :D

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De Kolta Chair  Sep 27, 2016 • 3:37:01pm

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Sep 27, 2016 • 3:38:35pm

re: #94 klys (maker of Silmarils)

There is also a difference in regards to the US vs. the UK.

The US is far more diverse. Those “Take Our Country Back” folks make up a smaller amount of the population.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 27, 2016 • 3:39:13pm

re: #53 FormerDirtDart

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Charles Johnson  Sep 27, 2016 • 3:39:48pm
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Wozza Matter?  Sep 27, 2016 • 3:40:15pm

re: #96 Ziggy_TARDIS

That’s what we thought too. The most anti-immigration areas are those that have the fewest immigrants.

We thought those people were a minority. Seems not.

The lesson is take nothing for granted.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 27, 2016 • 3:40:21pm

re: #59 HappyWarrior

You make some good observations about how the atmosphere of the primary debates which helped him there proved to be his undoing last night. Next debate should be interesting since it’s Townhall format. He’ll have some friendlies there but some not so friendlies. I’m hoping he gets a tough question to really throw him off. I’m hoping someone calls attention to his hypocrisy on trade. He loves to make himself to be Mr. Anti-free trade yet his brands are all made overseas.

Another thing about the GOP Primaries was that the entire goal is to appeal to the base, and the base LOVES crazy, angry, almost incoherent, and it LOVES dominance politics. Nobody could go crazier than Trump, because he was always willing to go EVEN FURTHER. And when he interrupted Cruz, or Rubio, or Bush, he was dominating them - if they backed down, he won. If they tried to hit back, he’d turn it up and dominate them some more. The GOP base LOVES dominance, more than they love hating gays, blacks, Mexicans and Muslims, they love dominance.

Rubio? He made the mistake of going down to Trump’s level of personal insult. And he went silly.

Look at what Clinton hit Trump with last night - first, she undercut his ‘self-made man’ image with the line about the $14 Million loan from his Daddy. Then she when she hit him on the tax returns, her FIRST POINT was ‘Maybe he’s not as rich as he claims’, which was the ONE THING that the comedians a the Trump Roast had to agree not to mention.

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goddamnedfrank  Sep 27, 2016 • 3:40:59pm

re: #90 Wozza Matter?

I will offer a word of caution - *nobody* thought the people of the UK would be so crass, xenophobic, idiotic, churlish, economically illiterate and generally stupid enough to vote to leave a staple trading bloc of the world.
Facts, logic & reasoned argument counted for nothing.

I spoke to people who could give no solid reason for making a vote against the economic future of the UK, yet they did it anyway. They have thrown away the economy and polling suggests many would do it again. It’s ‘gut feeling’, ‘taking back control’, ‘too many foreigners’ - the same messages Trump is pushing to an even lower information electorate.

I saw an interview the other week with a guy who’s been travelling the states and going to the Podunk towns and he is convinced Trump will win because while folks were confident enough to tell him they would vote for Trump they clammed up as soon as a reporter or pollster asked. There are likely to be a massive number of under reported trump voters.

Just a friendly warning from somewhere the electorate actually did decide to pull this kind of shit

The election polling had Brexit passing for months prior all the way up to the vote. It tightened up towards the end but NO was basically always the underdog. The only reason people, including the betting markets, were surprised is because they ignored that data.

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Wozza Matter?  Sep 27, 2016 • 3:41:49pm

re: #94 klys (maker of Silmarils)

It’s closer than people think.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 27, 2016 • 3:42:50pm

re: #66 Interesting Times

Not sure if you saw my earlier comment, but I think I found the debate clip you mentioned last night.

Yep, that was it. I saw that happening, and I burst out laughing.

(Mrs. FBW had fallen asleep, and my outburst woke her up suddenly - “WHAT? WHAT?”)

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goddamnedfrank  Sep 27, 2016 • 3:43:46pm

re: #90 Wozza Matter?

Basically if you’re using Brexit as example of why Trump will win you’re ignoring the actual reason so many people got the Brexit result wrong. They did exactly what you’re doing now, they assumed that people weren’t telling the pollsters the truth, or that they’d change their minds when it came time to actually cast their vote.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Sep 27, 2016 • 3:43:59pm

re: #94 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Only 63.7% of the US is non-Hispanic White, to be precise.

Britain is much more homogeneous than the US.

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freetoken  Sep 27, 2016 • 3:45:19pm

Even if Hillary is elected, and the odds still seem to favor that, she will face a very difficult problem if the House and Senate remain controlled by the Republicans.

Put simply, Obama is likeable, very much so. While the hate-right immediately took the racist road against him, still, the majority of the people like him, even if they didn’t vote for him.

Hillary has more baked-in, deeply baked-in, negatives. And if the Republicans remain in control of either part of Congress, the entire business of government will stop while endless investigations drone on.

This is the problem with the current popularity, or lack of it, with Clinton. Even if Drumpfskind fails to swing the so-called swing states (and he needs almost all of them), that does not mean the Democratic party can take control of at least one chamber of Congress.

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goddamnedfrank  Sep 27, 2016 • 3:45:29pm

re: #104 goddamnedfrank

edit: right wrong. Reload.

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Stanley Sea  Sep 27, 2016 • 3:45:48pm
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goddamnedfrank  Sep 27, 2016 • 3:47:42pm

re: #102 Wozza Matter?

It’s closer than people think.

Or not. Polling averages in 2012 vastly overestimated Romney’s position, were off by almost 4 points.

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Wozza Matter?  Sep 27, 2016 • 3:49:36pm

re: #101 goddamnedfrank

The election polling had Brexit passing for months prior all the way up to the vote. It tightened up towards the end but NO was basically always the underdog. The only reason people, including the betting markets, were surprised is because they ignored that data.

Except….the poll of polls had Remain ahead 90% of the way through, ‘smart money’ including mine was on that the undecideds would also break for ‘Remain’ due to the devil you know, small ‘c’ conservative bias of this not particularly revolutionary country.

whatukthinks.org

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Nojay UK  Sep 27, 2016 • 3:50:17pm

re: #105 Ziggy_TARDIS

Britain is majority Anglo-Saxon, two immigrant groups but the Britons arrived from continental Europe before them. Then the Normans invaded in the 11th century, and of course the bloody Vikings created settlements in York and other places on the east coast all through that time. Homogeneous, sure but not pure anything.

“Britain for the British! Angles and Saxons go home!”

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Wozza Matter?  Sep 27, 2016 • 3:50:42pm

re: #104 goddamnedfrank

See 110, poll of polls tracking shows Remain ahead all the way through until just before the end.

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KGxvi  Sep 27, 2016 • 3:51:11pm

re: #106 freetoken

Even if Hillary is elected, and the odds still seem to favor that, she will face a very difficult problem if the House and Senate remain controlled by the Republicans.

Put simply, Obama is likeable, very much so. While the hate-right immediately took the racist road against him, still, the majority of the people like him, even if they didn’t vote for him.

Hillary has more baked-in, deeply baked-in, negatives. And if the Republicans remain in control of either part of Congress, the entire business of government will stop while endless investigations drone on.

This is the problem with the current popularity, or lack of it, with Clinton. Even if Drumpfskind fails to swing the so-called swing states (and he needs almost all of them), that does not mean the Democratic party can take control of at least one chamber of Congress.

According to 538, the odds of the Democrats winning control of the Senate is about the same as the odds of Clinton winning the presidency. Both come in around 55-56%. In fact, the most likely outcomes are that the Senate ends up 50-50, or 51-49 either way.

The Democrats are also projected to pick up seats in the House, but likely not enough to win a majority. (at least according to those tracking the House races)

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Sep 27, 2016 • 3:52:02pm

re: #110 Wozza Matter?

The US and UK are different places politically. In the US, we have a chronic issue under-polling minorities, whereas the number of minorities in Britain is, frankly, is not that high.

Also, the US is substantially “younger” than Britain, with younger people like me making up a larger portion of the population.

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No Depression  Sep 27, 2016 • 3:52:13pm

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Wozza Matter?  Sep 27, 2016 • 3:53:42pm

re: #114 Ziggy_TARDIS

It doesn’t matter - the young people still need to vote.

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KGxvi  Sep 27, 2016 • 3:54:20pm

re: #115 No Depression

As a late Gen-Xer, I offer this counter point:

The Who - My Generation

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Sep 27, 2016 • 3:54:56pm

re: #111 Nojay UK

The Angles, the Saxons, and the Normans. The last of whom came in 900 or so years ago.

There has been more recent immigration, but not even remotely to the immigration you see in the US. Again, Demographics are much different here. To get the same result, you need a much higher proportion of white people turning out for Trump. And right now, he has numbers worse than Romney had.

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gocart mozart  Sep 27, 2016 • 3:55:12pm
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Wozza Matter?  Sep 27, 2016 • 3:56:30pm

re: #111 Nojay UK

6th century french immigrants on the scottish east coast, 12th century viking emigree and some good old fashioned west coast scottish grit mixed with Yorkshire coal mining and a german surname somewhere down the line.

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gocart mozart  Sep 27, 2016 • 4:00:02pm
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FormerDirtDart  Sep 27, 2016 • 4:04:10pm

KNSD-7 San Diego local report
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majii  Sep 27, 2016 • 4:04:27pm

re: #121 gocart mozart

My substitute for the headline is:
Trump bewilders Bullsh*ts with foreign policy answers

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Belafon  Sep 27, 2016 • 4:05:52pm

re: #106 freetoken

As Clinton has said, people like her if she’s not running. And it would be tough anyway for any Democrat because the House is rigged for Republicans. It’ll be our job to back her.

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goddamnedfrank  Sep 27, 2016 • 4:08:34pm
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MsJ  Sep 27, 2016 • 4:09:20pm

re: #90 Wozza Matter?

I will offer a word of caution - *nobody* thought the people of the UK would be so crass, xenophobic, idiotic, churlish, economically illiterate and generally stupid enough to vote to leave a staple trading bloc of the world.
Facts, logic & reasoned argument counted for nothing.

I spoke to people who could give no solid reason for making a vote against the economic future of the UK, yet they did it anyway. They have thrown away the economy and polling suggests many would do it again. It’s ‘gut feeling’, ‘taking back control’, ‘too many foreigners’ - the same messages Trump is pushing to an even lower information electorate.

I saw an interview the other week with a guy who’s been travelling the states and going to the Podunk towns and he is convinced Trump will win because while folks were confident enough to tell him they would vote for Trump they clammed up as soon as a reporter or pollster asked. There are likely to be a massive number of under reported trump voters.

Just a friendly warning from somewhere the electorate actually did decide to pull this kind of shit

I think you’re right and the thought of the polling being off due to embarrassment terrifies me. I’ve said for some time that trump is the Brexit candidate.

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Wozza Matter?  Sep 27, 2016 • 4:11:03pm

Scoff about how different things are - those are exactly the same things we told ourselves. ‘We’d never let it happen here’, ‘things are too different here’ - and guess what, we fell off a fucking cliff.
If Trump is struggling as badly as people believe it shouldn’t be in the margin of error in 8 of 10 polls being followed by RCP.

I think Hilary will still win but it’s not going to be a cake walk and she can still lose it, but please don’t delude yourselves into thinking ‘it’ll never happen here’ - because it can.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 27, 2016 • 4:17:39pm

re: #127 Wozza Matter?

Scoff about how different things are - those are exactly the same things we told ourselves. ‘We’d never let it happen here’, ‘things are too different here’ - and guess what, we fell off a fucking cliff.
If Trump is struggling as badly as people believe it shouldn’t be in the margin of error in 8 of 10 polls being followed by RCP.

I think Hilary will still win but it’s not going to be a cake walk and she can still lose it, but please don’t delude yourselves into thinking ‘it’ll never happen here’ - because it can.

We’re Democrats - we naturally waver between overconfidence and panic. We’re deathly afraid that it CAN happen here.

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FormerDirtDart  Sep 27, 2016 • 4:18:23pm

Someone just got sent to sit in the corner…

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dangerman  Sep 27, 2016 • 4:18:54pm

Stop Pretending You Don’t Know Why People Hate Hillary Clinton

this is good

It’s time to stop pretending that this is about substance. This is about an eagerness to believe that a woman who seeks power will say or do anything to get it. This is about a Lady MacBeth stereotype that, frankly, should never have existed in the first place. This is about the one thing no one wants to admit it’s about.

Consider, for a moment, two people. One, as a young woman at the beginning of a promising legal career, went door to door searching for ways to guarantee an education to the countless disabled and disadvantaged children who had fallen through the cracks. The other, as a young millionaire, exacted revenge on his recently deceased brother’s family by cutting off the medical insurance desperately needed by his nephew’s newborn son, who at eighteen months of age was suffering from violent seizures brought on by a rare neurological disorder.

What kind of a society treats these two people as equal in any way? What kind of society even considers the latter over the former for its highest office?

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Wozza Matter?  Sep 27, 2016 • 4:23:11pm

re: #130 dangerman

The number of times i see the word ‘Killary’ on friends FB pages without it going challenged is scary. It’s irrational - Vince Foster, BeN&hAzH!, ‘stand down orders’ - conspiracy beyond conspiracy.

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Skip Intro  Sep 27, 2016 • 4:23:11pm
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Jenner7  Sep 27, 2016 • 4:23:28pm

Trump mentions Jose Fernandez’s death. Crowd didn’t care. He mentions Arnold Palmer, crowd applauds.

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MsJ  Sep 27, 2016 • 4:23:57pm

re: #114 Ziggy_TARDIS

The US and UK are different places politically. In the US, we have a chronic issue under-polling minorities, whereas the number of minorities in Britain is, frankly, is not that high.

Also, the US is substantially “younger” than Britain, with younger people like me making up a larger portion of the population.

The bigger issue is, IMHO, the U.K. decided that crippling austerity in the downturn was the way to go, creating real problems for real people.

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dangerman  Sep 27, 2016 • 4:27:57pm

re: #131 Wozza Matter?

The number of times i see the word ‘Killary’ on friends FB pages without it going challenged is scary. It’s irrational - Vince Foster, BeN&hAzH!, ‘stand down orders’ - conspiracy beyond conspiracy.

and usually theres nothing behind the first “clever” remark - unless its a forwarded item written by someone else

more from the article:

We list so very many explanations, all of them complete bullshit.

In truth, the Hillary haters seem to resent her more than disagree with her. They demand to be humored and catered to. They hold her to wildly different standards than her male counterparts. They regard her with an unprecedented degree of suspicion. Above all, they really, really want to see her punished. And an aggressive male presence—even if dangerously incompetent—seems to comfort a great many of them.

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Wozza Matter?  Sep 27, 2016 • 4:28:43pm

re: #134 MsJ

That played part of it. Not biggest issue by any means though. Government had abandoned certain regions for *generations* under both parties and people felt genuinely hopeless.
Much of the inward investment into those areas came from the EU - think of it like how the Teabaggers picked up votes on an anti-stimulus feeling while all the bridges being repaired (that people had bitched about for decades) had ‘Paid For By The Re-Investment Act’ plastered all over the side of them.

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dangerman  Sep 27, 2016 • 4:29:55pm

re: #132 Skip Intro

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does it really need to be said its about how one treats his fellow citizens and future constituents?

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Apocalypse  Sep 27, 2016 • 4:31:36pm

re: #132 Skip Intro

Legit or parody?

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 27, 2016 • 4:31:53pm

re: #136 Wozza Matter?

That played part of it. Not biggest issue by any means though. Government had abandoned certain regions for *generations* under both parties and people felt genuinely hopeless.
Much of the inward investment into those areas came from the EU - think of it like how the Teabaggers picked up votes on an anti-stimulus feeling while all the bridges being repaired (that people had bitched about for decades) had ‘Paid For By The Re-Investment Act’ plastered all over the side of them.

As I heard it, London has been making a killing as a Financial Services mecca, but most of the rest of England didn’t see much benefit from being in the EU.

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Varek Raith  Sep 27, 2016 • 4:35:48pm

re: #138 Apocalypse

Legit or parody?

Parody.

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MsJ  Sep 27, 2016 • 4:36:22pm

re: #139 Blind Frog Belly White

As I heard it, London has been making a killing as a Financial Services mecca, but most of the rest of England didn’t see much benefit from being in the EU.

Funding in the north was, IIRC, explicitly from the EU.

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dangerman  Sep 27, 2016 • 4:38:38pm

re: #138 Apocalypse

Legit or parody?

re: #137 dangerman

does it really need to be said its about how one treats his fellow citizens and future constituents?

ok, so i’m a bit slow on the uptake

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Wozza Matter?  Sep 27, 2016 • 4:38:49pm

re: #139 Blind Frog Belly White

In terms of EU investment across the UK as a whole -

R&D investment across the uk
adsgroup.org.uk

Wales gets lots of money
walesonline.co.uk

so did Scotland
news.scotland.gov.uk

and Cornwall
bbc.co.uk

and manchester
manchestereveningnews.co.uk

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gocart mozart  Sep 27, 2016 • 4:39:09pm

re: #123 majii

My substitute for the headline is:
Trump bewilders Bullsh*ts with foreign policy answers

Mine would be “Trump scares the bejesus out of our foreign allies.”

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LastYearsMan  Sep 27, 2016 • 4:39:12pm

re: #130 dangerman

Saw that essay. It makes some good points … but then I think “What about Elizabeth Warren?” There’s a woman who the general public views much more positively.

I think the negativity toward Clinton is more about how well the right-wing media machine demonizes anyone it views as a serious threat. Gore, Kerry, Obama … even Warren for a while, when she was doing well. There’s a huge network that exists to trash the “enemy”.

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Jenner7  Sep 27, 2016 • 4:39:41pm
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Ziggy_TARDIS  Sep 27, 2016 • 4:42:48pm

re: #128 Blind Frog Belly White

That is literally my personality.

But we are also logical, and factual. And the fact of the matter is, there are a number of huge differences between the US and the UK.

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Snarknado!  Sep 27, 2016 • 4:42:55pm

re: #126 MsJ

I think you’re right and the thought of the polling being off due to embarrassment terrifies me. I’ve said for some time that trump is the Brexit candidate.

You also need to consider that we don’t vote like Europe. Those Podunk towns are largely in red states. In blue states, there are small towns, rural areas and pockets of horrible poverty (where people might be more ready to listen to Trump’s message), but they’re vastly outnumbered by the populations of the larger cities.

And those pockets of poverty are 50% women, and many of them are minority. Voting for Trump? I don’t think so.

But remember my mantra: Don’t Get Complacent. I’ll be phone banking and canvassing for Hillary right up to election day.

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Wozza Matter?  Sep 27, 2016 • 4:43:19pm

London as the financial services centre benefited hugely from EU membership - it is the English speaking place to be for American banks wanting an EU headquarters and a chunk of the Japanese banks too. Being that conduit is a tremendous boon, and if we don’t stay in the single market i am genuinely shit scared about what happens next.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Sep 27, 2016 • 4:44:07pm

re: #134 MsJ

Yep.

Though, to be far, the entire continent, save Iceland, went down that road.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Sep 27, 2016 • 4:44:13pm

re: #130 dangerman

I mean, c’mon, enough of this shit…Thatcher, Ghandi, Bhutto, Roussef, Shinawatra…

It’s time.

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goddamnedfrank  Sep 27, 2016 • 4:45:12pm

re: #141 MsJ

Funding in the north was, IIRC, explicitly from the EU.

Yep. The biggest predictors for a LEAVE vote were how white an area was and how much they exported to the EU. In other words it was explicitly about race, the regions who voted out did so against their own financial self interest. They fucked themselves in order to harm minorities and immigrants.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Sep 27, 2016 • 4:46:23pm

re: #151 Eric The Fruit Bat

The problem is, a major portion of this country is not too far removed from Saudi or Khamenei.

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Wozza Matter?  Sep 27, 2016 • 4:46:32pm

re: #147 Ziggy_TARDIS

That is literally my personality.

But we are also logical, and factual. And the fact of the matter is, there are a number of huge differences between the US and the UK.

Do you know what?

THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT WE WERE TELLING OURSELVES WHEN WE SAW TRUMP BECOME THE GOP CANDIDATE, we said ‘that level of collective lunacy couldn’t possibly happen here in merry old staid England where we don’t take leaps into an all encompassing darkness of baser instincts’.

Did i mention 8 of the 10 polls RCP are following are in the margin of error in your two horse presidential race?.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Sep 27, 2016 • 4:46:54pm

re: #152 goddamnedfrank

And that’s why things might be different here.

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dangerman  Sep 27, 2016 • 4:46:55pm

re: #145 LastYearsMan

Saw that essay. It makes some good points … but then I think “What about Elizabeth Warren?” There’s a woman who the general public views much more positively.

I think the negativity toward Clinton is more about how well the right-wing media machine demonizes anyone it views as a serious threat. Gore, Kerry, Obama … even Warren for a while, when she was doing well. There’s a huge network that exists to trash the “enemy”.

while i dont disagree with you, warrens not the one runnning.

i;m not sure “all other things being equal except a different woman” would change things fundamentally

gotta run, sorry

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Sep 27, 2016 • 4:47:40pm

An amusing Micahel Moore adventure….

Facebook Post

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Sep 27, 2016 • 4:47:59pm

re: #154 Wozza Matter?

Minorities make up 13% of your population. They make up 37% of ours.

That is a massive, massive difference.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 27, 2016 • 4:48:40pm

re: #151 Eric The Fruit Bat

I mean, c’mon, enough of this shit…Thatcher, Ghandi, Bhutto, Roussef, Shinawatra…

It’s time.

American Exceptionalism - we’re too manly a country to be run by a GU-U-URL!!!
///

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ObserverArt  Sep 27, 2016 • 4:49:18pm

re: #106 freetoken

Even if Hillary is elected, and the odds still seem to favor that, she will face a very difficult problem if the House and Senate remain controlled by the Republicans.

Put simply, Obama is likeable, very much so. While the hate-right immediately took the racist road against him, still, the majority of the people like him, even if they didn’t vote for him.

Hillary has more baked-in, deeply baked-in, negatives. And if the Republicans remain in control of either part of Congress, the entire business of government will stop while endless investigations drone on.

This is the problem with the current popularity, or lack of it, with Clinton. Even if Drumpfskind fails to swing the so-called swing states (and he needs almost all of them), that does not mean the Democratic party can take control of at least one chamber of Congress.

I think you are counting on the baked-in baggage which has all been created in the public arena and most of it is driven by the media. It’s good for TV and web sites. You may be passing up some other facts from the political side the media never mentions.

I think you miss that many Republican politicians actually do credit her. They know her and they know she can be persuasive. Have you not heard that, because it is out there? No one says she is not experienced, they say they don’t like her politics. That is a much different starting position than what Obama had.

She is liked and respected as a political wonk, has worked with Republicans and she is highly practical from a working standpoint. She is also more driven to get out and push on the Republicans directly. Obama was criticized from the get-go for being aloof and not willing to press the flesh with the Republicans. They always said he never left the oval office and came to them to negotiate. Many in his own party felt that way too, and I think that hurt him. They also said he was more dreamer and idealist than down to earth realist, not willing to bend.

Hillary is a lot more a traditional politician. She will chew on legs and she will go after her opposition by building her case with their own constituents. She has that ability to back door them, and she will use women as a political tool. A big tool Obama did not have.

You may also be over looking that many on the GOP side hated on Obama because they saw him as an arrogant upstart still wet behind the ears politically for being that uppity and in that office. Call it butthurt or whatever, but that is how he was viewed politically. Add in he was an African American and there are the real baked-ins.

In my opinion I think she will be far more successful moving the Republicans. How far I don’t know, but I am just contending your point it could be the same or worse for her to work with the Republicans. I think she will be markedly better at dealing.

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EPR-radar  Sep 27, 2016 • 4:51:27pm

re: #159 Blind Frog Belly White

American Exceptionalism - we’re too manly a country to be run by a GU-U-URL!!!
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If Trump were to get into office as President, Putin would use Trump like a Kleenax. Sad.

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Wozza Matter?  Sep 27, 2016 • 4:55:30pm

re: #158 Ziggy_TARDIS

People still have to turn out and vote. Bush got a second term running against a solid establishment democrat. A SECOND TERM.

Logic and facts have no bearing on this - Trump elicits an entirely emotional and gutteral response, total number of votes cast has no bearing on this - if Trump energises the small towns to vote in sufficient numbers in winner takes all swing states then there is a problem, if voters are energised by him in split vote states there could be unforseen results.

Looking at Trump through a traditional prism in a race against an unloved Democratic nominee who has a large chunk of her votes because the other guy is mentally unstable does not give you a traditional election.

BTW - the UK would have very handily voted remain if we hadn’t disenfranchised every EU migrant living here. The number of people in London alone denied a vote would have swung it the other way,

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allegro  Sep 27, 2016 • 4:56:20pm

re: #161 EPR-radar

If Trump were to get into office as President, Putin would use Trump like a Kleenax rent boy. Sad.

FTFY

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goddamnedfrank  Sep 27, 2016 • 4:56:49pm
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thedopefishlives  Sep 27, 2016 • 4:56:59pm

Evening Lizardim.

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gocart mozart  Sep 27, 2016 • 4:57:22pm
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Jenner7  Sep 27, 2016 • 4:57:24pm
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Stanley Sea  Sep 27, 2016 • 4:58:20pm
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gocart mozart  Sep 27, 2016 • 4:58:51pm

This is interesting.

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thedopefishlives  Sep 27, 2016 • 4:59:18pm

re: #168 Stanley Sea

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The comment on my FB feed this morning was, and I quote, “an outfit stained red with the blood of American citizens.” Ugh.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Sep 27, 2016 • 5:00:33pm

re: #162 Wozza Matter?

I understand what your saying, I really do. However, as Sam Wang has said, the race is remarkably stable right now in terms of margins.

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gocart mozart  Sep 27, 2016 • 5:00:51pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 27, 2016 • 5:02:11pm

re: #170 thedopefishlives

The comment on my FB feed this morning was, and I quote, “an outfit stained red with the blood of American citizens.” Ugh.

When I see that shit anymore I respond with laughter, as in “HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAA!!”

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Sep 27, 2016 • 5:02:15pm

re: #162 Wozza Matter?

Yep-it’s like Bob and Chez said in their Podcast-this is a FUCK YOU election.

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Decatur Deb  Sep 27, 2016 • 5:02:26pm

Presumably the Trump/Pence logo is backwards-talking parody for this thoughtful take on the bowl of skittles:

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Belafon  Sep 27, 2016 • 5:04:14pm

There’s a legitimate comparison to be made between the US and Great Britain, if you’re comparing 2016 GB to 1980 US. But the US has lived through that. The British would have been smart to have looked at the 1980 election to figure out what was going to happen to Brexit. But 2016 GB tells us almost nothing about the United States in 2016.

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Wozza Matter?  Sep 27, 2016 • 5:05:10pm

re: #170 thedopefishlives

the number of people who will not vote for Hilary, who would probably vote for any other democrat, is i think going to turn out to be quite scary - another reason people should not be in *any way* complacent.
There are swing voters completely taken up by the Killary myth, several otherwise fairly reasonable people on my pages who can’t vote for Trump will not vote for Hilary. They will vote for Stein or Johnson - i take those people seriously, they would genuinely rather have Trump in the whitehouse that Hilary. These are not ‘third party’ people - they are two party swing voters.

There are far too many strands at play for me to be able to allow anyone to say ‘it’ll never happen here’ in terms of a monumental fucking disaster.

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thedopefishlives  Sep 27, 2016 • 5:05:26pm

re: #173 Blind Frog Belly White

When I see that shit anymore I respond with laughter, as in “HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAA!!”

I just roll my eyes and keep scrolling. It’s not even worth a laugh.

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jaunte  Sep 27, 2016 • 5:05:35pm

re: #170 thedopefishlives

The comment on my FB feed this morning was, and I quote, “an outfit stained red with the blood of American citizens.” Ugh.

Last night:

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Belafon  Sep 27, 2016 • 5:06:06pm

re: #173 Blind Frog Belly White

When I see that shit anymore I respond with laughter, as in “HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAA!!”

They’re trying to come up with a proper comeback to the one about the dress being covered in the blood of men who underestimated her, but it’s failing.

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ObserverArt  Sep 27, 2016 • 5:06:15pm

re: #157 Eric The Fruit Bat

An amusing Micahel Moore adventure….

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I wonder where he is going. An hour south, I’m gonna say either New Lexington Ohio, or Logan Ohio. I doubt Athens which is where Ohio University is and is in a way a liberal school in an traditional American town. It sounds like he wants some risk/confrontation. New Lex and Logan can provide that.

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thedopefishlives  Sep 27, 2016 • 5:06:40pm

re: #177 Wozza Matter?

the number of people who will not vote for Hilary, who would probably vote for any other democrat, is i think going to turn out to be quite scary - another reason people should not be in *any way* complacent.
There are swing voters completely taken up by the Killary myth, several otherwise fairly reasonable people on my pages who can’t vote for Trump will not vote for Hilary. They will vote for Stein or Johnson - i take those people seriously, they would genuinely rather have Trump in the whitehouse that Hilary. These are not ‘third party’ people - they are two party swing voters.

There are far too many strands at play for me to be able to allow anyone to say ‘it’ll never happen here’ in terms of a monumental fucking disaster.

Given that this guy is one of the most virulent wingnuts possible, I’m not too worried. I don’t know a lot of swing voters.

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gocart mozart  Sep 27, 2016 • 5:06:55pm
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EPR-radar  Sep 27, 2016 • 5:07:25pm

re: #171 Ziggy_TARDIS

I understand what your saying, I really do. However, as Sam Wang has said, the race is remarkably stable right now in terms of margins.

The race is too damn close. That said, I’m not seeing a credible path to a win for Trump. The Republicans actually were pretty good at turning out their angry white voter base in 2008 and especially in 2012, and that wasn’t good enough to win then.

Assuming the Democrats turn out properly, there doesn’t seem to be any way for Trump to get the numbers he needs. How many racists out there really voted for Obama in 2008/2012 or even sat those elections out?

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 27, 2016 • 5:07:35pm

re: #178 thedopefishlives

I just roll my eyes and keep scrolling. It’s not even worth a laugh.

Generally I do it because they like to think of themselves as making Lib’ruls angry. So I prefer to laugh at them, and let them know I’m laughing at them.

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MsJ  Sep 27, 2016 • 5:07:37pm

re: #168 Stanley Sea

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Sep 27, 2016 • 5:09:03pm

re: #184 EPR-radar

My thoughts are the same as yours. But I will wait till next week to say more. I want to see the effects of the debate.

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Jenner7  Sep 27, 2016 • 5:10:31pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 27, 2016 • 5:12:20pm

re: #186 MsJ

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Wozza Matter?  Sep 27, 2016 • 5:13:20pm

re: #184 EPR-radar

How many racists sat it out because the choice between Romney and Obama was no choice for them?. Mormon versus Muslim.

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darthstar  Sep 27, 2016 • 5:13:33pm

However it turns out I hope we don’t wind up in a land war in Asia…

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Decatur Deb  Sep 27, 2016 • 5:14:08pm

re: #189 Blind Frog Belly White

You only really have to worry about your candidate being driven mad by a flapping red cape if your candidate is an actual bull.

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Wozza Matter?  Sep 27, 2016 • 5:15:20pm

Good Night folks - it’s been real, here’s to another three years between visits ;)

I’ll try and stop by a little more often.

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thedopefishlives  Sep 27, 2016 • 5:15:41pm

re: #185 Blind Frog Belly White

Generally I do it because they like to think of themselves as making Lib’ruls angry. So I prefer to laugh at them, and let them know I’m laughing at them.

Well, realize that I still haven’t outed myself as a moderate-liberal to anyone except all y’all and my wife. Since I have just gotten into a good working relationship with this particular individual, I don’t really want to make things awkward by revealing I’m not who he thinks I am.

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Skip Intro  Sep 27, 2016 • 5:15:53pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 27, 2016 • 5:16:44pm

re: #190 Wozza Matter?

How many racists sat it out because the choice between Romney and Obama was no choice for them?. Mormon versus Muslim.

I doubt many did. The Christian Right made a big show for a long time out of the pretense of Christianity, but this year they fell in love with a serial adulterer who obviously doesn’t give a rip about god or faith or anything religious.

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ObserverArt  Sep 27, 2016 • 5:17:02pm

re: #162 Wozza Matter?

People still have to turn out and vote. Bush got a second term running against a solid establishment democrat. A SECOND TERM.

Logic and facts have no bearing on this - Trump elicits an entirely emotional and gutteral response, total number of votes cast has no bearing on this - if Trump energises the small towns to vote in sufficient numbers in winner takes all swing states then there is a problem, if voters are energised by him in split vote states there could be unforseen results.

Looking at Trump through a traditional prism in a race against an unloved Democratic nominee who has a large chunk of her votes because the other guy is mentally unstable does not give you a traditional election.

BTW - the UK would have very handily voted remain if we hadn’t disenfranchised every EU migrant living here. The number of people in London alone denied a vote would have swung it the other way,

2004 was a close election and there is a high probability there was at least one state that was played with to throw the vote. That would be Ohio…my state. I can speak to it directly. Bush won the state by 119,000 votes. I think it can be proven that my Columbus where I live and Cleveland hand precincts that had voters turned away that could have changed that vote total. Had Kerry taken Ohio he would have won the electoral college by a slim margin.

It had nothing to do with turnout. In fact the high turnout caused the issues and frustration that may have allowed it.

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Belafon  Sep 27, 2016 • 5:18:03pm

re: #177 Wozza Matter?

the number of people who will not vote for Hilary, who would probably vote for any other democrat, is i think going to turn out to be quite scary - another reason people should not be in *any way* complacent.

There was this guy, in 2008 and 2012 that ran as a Democrat. It’s estimated that because he was “different” he lost about 2-3% of the vote. And yet he won over 50% both times.

Most engaged Democrats, here and on other sites I read, learned all the lessons you’re describing back in 2010.
1. Don’t “unskew” the polls; the aggregates are fairly decent at predicting what’s going to happen.
2. The most important thing you can do is GOTV.

You would need to show me evidence of an election where people were saying they were going to vote for one of the major candidates and chose to vote for the other one. We have seen data that shows that lower candidates lose support on election day, but not major ones. And what we’re seeing is that a lot of the people that are saying they are voting for Johnson and Stein tell the pollsters that they’d vote for Clinton in a two-way race.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 27, 2016 • 5:18:32pm

re: #192 Decatur Deb

Or a DC supervillain.

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Belafon  Sep 27, 2016 • 5:19:38pm

re: #189 Blind Frog Belly White

You only really have to worry about your candidate being driven mad by a flapping red cape if your candidate is an actual bull.

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MsJ  Sep 27, 2016 • 5:20:11pm

re: #189 Blind Frog Belly White

You only really have to worry about your candidate being driven mad by a flapping red cape if your candidate is an actual bull.

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Does a bullshitter count?

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darthstar  Sep 27, 2016 • 5:20:55pm

re: #195 Skip Intro

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A wild WITHAK appeared!  Sep 27, 2016 • 5:21:13pm

re: #201 Charles Johnson

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I like the one with the kitty even more:

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gocart mozart  Sep 27, 2016 • 5:21:38pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 27, 2016 • 5:21:50pm
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HappyWarrior  Sep 27, 2016 • 5:23:22pm

re: #206 Backwoods_Sleuth

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This campaign is a walking excuse machine.

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ObserverArt  Sep 27, 2016 • 5:24:08pm

re: #177 Wozza Matter?

the number of people who will not vote for Hilary, who would probably vote for any other democrat, is i think going to turn out to be quite scary - another reason people should not be in *any way* complacent.
There are swing voters completely taken up by the Killary myth, several otherwise fairly reasonable people on my pages who can’t vote for Trump will not vote for Hilary. They will vote for Stein or Johnson - i take those people seriously, they would genuinely rather have Trump in the whitehouse that Hilary. These are not ‘third party’ people - they are two party swing voters.

There are far too many strands at play for me to be able to allow anyone to say ‘it’ll never happen here’ in terms of a monumental fucking disaster.

Allow us to say? Pardon me. May I suggest you are being just a little condescending with a line like that? We have been over this ground a lot around this board. You are not telling us something new.

To keep pounding on it and then say you will not allow us to think it will never happen here is mighty big of you.

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MsJ  Sep 27, 2016 • 5:24:30pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 27, 2016 • 5:24:36pm
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darthstar  Sep 27, 2016 • 5:26:13pm

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Cheechako  Sep 27, 2016 • 5:26:21pm

re: #210 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Just how many were there for the circus side-show?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 27, 2016 • 5:26:37pm
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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 27, 2016 • 5:26:38pm

HURR HURR WE KNOWS WHO IS TEH MOAST PATRIOT BECAUSE OF WHO WEARED TEH FLAG PINZ THAT WHAT SHOW HOW U LUVS AMERCIA!!!!!!1!!!!

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Sep 27, 2016 • 5:28:18pm

re: #190 Wozza Matter?

They still showed up in 2008.

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Decatur Deb  Sep 27, 2016 • 5:28:22pm
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unproven innocence  Sep 27, 2016 • 5:28:44pm

re: #200 Belafon

And the bull would have to be able to see color.

I believe you are wrong on that. In simple lens-type optical imaging sytems, the focal length for red light is longer than for shorter wavelengths, but that remains true whether or not an organism can sense colors.

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Skip Intro  Sep 27, 2016 • 5:30:30pm

re: #210 Backwoods_Sleuth

That’s a frightening picture.

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PhillyPretzel  Sep 27, 2016 • 5:30:48pm

re: #214 The Vicious Babushka

She may not wear a “flag pin” but she has more experience in politics than that Trump person has in his entire organization.

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allegro  Sep 27, 2016 • 5:30:57pm

Hmmm, I just heard from a Trump spox on CNN that I’m a disengaged voter, being a single woman. Only married women count apparently.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Sep 27, 2016 • 5:31:01pm

re: #198 Belafon

I do want to note now though, that compared to 2012, there is a lot of questionable polling. CVoter has a history of corruption in India, Ipsos gives baffling results, and demographics look funny across most of the board.

Why are all the pollers expecting the electorate of 2004?

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HappyWarrior  Sep 27, 2016 • 5:31:28pm

re: #213 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 27, 2016 • 5:31:38pm

re: #194 thedopefishlives

Well, realize that I still haven’t outed myself as a moderate-liberal to anyone except all y’all and my wife. Since I have just gotten into a good working relationship with this particular individual, I don’t really want to make things awkward by revealing I’m not who he thinks I am.

Ah, I have no such problems. All my relatives on FB are liberal except for Cousin Dale, and all my coworkers agree with me. Indeed, my siblings think I’m ‘not a real Liberal’ because I supported Clinton over Sanders.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 27, 2016 • 5:32:35pm

re: #200 Belafon

And the bull would have to be able to see color.

There you go, bringing logic and reason.

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gocart mozart  Sep 27, 2016 • 5:32:37pm
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EPR-radar  Sep 27, 2016 • 5:33:30pm

re: #206 Backwoods_Sleuth

Trump “purposely missed opportunities” in a debate according to one of his excuse-makers.

That idea by itself is idiotic. Using it in public as an excuse for a piss-poor debate performance transcends stupidity. Words do not exist in the language yet to describe such things.

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gocart mozart  Sep 27, 2016 • 5:33:54pm
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thedopefishlives  Sep 27, 2016 • 5:34:41pm

re: #223 Blind Frog Belly White

Ah, I have no such problems. All my relatives on FB are liberal except for Cousin Dale, and all my coworkers agree with me. Indeed, my siblings think I’m ‘not a real Liberal’ because I supported Clinton over Sanders.

Yeah, no. I’m not even going to begin to equate my political, social, and economic views with one’s sexual orientation, but honestly, it is actually kinda like that. Death threats included, depending on whom you talk to and when.

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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 27, 2016 • 5:35:12pm

re: #219 PhillyPretzel

She may not wear a “flag pin” but she has more experience in politics than that Trump person has in his entire organization.

Wingnuts are shallow— that is why they assign such major importance to trivial displays of national symbols as evidence of “patriotism”

Corollary: the freakouts over Kaepernick kneeling during the national anthem.

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A wild WITHAK appeared!  Sep 27, 2016 • 5:35:57pm

re: #227 gocart mozart

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I think a case of Tecate will be my next cheap beer purchase. Sorry, Hamm’s.

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Belafon  Sep 27, 2016 • 5:36:14pm

re: #190 Wozza Matter?

How many racists sat it out because the choice between Romney and Obama was no choice for them?. Mormon versus Muslim.

As I said above, it’s estimated Obama lost 2-3% of the vote because he is black. And we’re seeing now that religion is no obstacle for the right.

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thedopefishlives  Sep 27, 2016 • 5:37:15pm

re: #229 The Vicious Babushka

Wingnuts are shallow— that is why they assign such major importance to trivial displays of national symbols as evidence of “patriotism”

Corollary: the freakouts over Kaepernick kneeling during the national anthem.

Related corollary: The insistence on the appearance of women as a measure of their worth.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 27, 2016 • 5:37:47pm

bwahahahaaaa

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Belafon  Sep 27, 2016 • 5:37:53pm

re: #217 unproven innocence

I believe you are wrong on that. In simple lens-type optical imaging sytems, the focal length for red light is longer than for shorter wavelengths, but that remains true whether or not an organism can sense colors.

Bulls cannot see colors, only grays. It’s the motion that gets a bull worked up, not the color.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 27, 2016 • 5:38:25pm

re: #233 Backwoods_Sleuth

bwahahahaaaa

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Yuh. Right. Pull the other one, it’s got bells on it.

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EPR-radar  Sep 27, 2016 • 5:38:26pm

re: #229 The Vicious Babushka

Wingnuts are shallow— that is why they assign such major importance to trivial displays of national symbols as evidence of “patriotism”

Corollary: the freakouts over Kaepernick kneeling during the national anthem.

My favorite example of wingnut shallowness is their inordinate fondness for the Magick of Words. E.g., “Law and Order”, “Radical Islamic Terrorism” etc.

Everyone who believes in that nonsense is operating at a pre-literate level to be expected of medieval peasants.

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majii  Sep 27, 2016 • 5:39:10pm

re: #219 PhillyPretzel

Neither of my brothers who served in the Vietnam and in the Desert Storm conflicts/wars wore flag pins, but it doesn’t mean they weren’t loyal Americans. I sincerely don’t “get” the right-wing fixation on politicians wearing American flag pins because to me, it isn’t a measure of one’s loyalty to the U.S. It’s simply a false symbol of loyalty and patriotism imposed by some onto others. I oftentimes wonder how many who take to social media to scream about a pol not wearing a flag pin would be willing to actually defend this country. Some instinct tells me that many of them wouldn’t be willing to do it, but they get a huge kick out of imposing, or trying to impose, their standards on others.

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Weaselone  Sep 27, 2016 • 5:39:14pm

re: #233 Backwoods_Sleuth

So he forgot the debate was only 90 minutes long?

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Belafon  Sep 27, 2016 • 5:40:15pm

re: #233 Backwoods_Sleuth

bwahahahaaaa

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Sep 27, 2016 • 5:41:53pm

re: #231 Belafon

Religion was never an obstacle to them.

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Wozza Matter?  Sep 27, 2016 • 5:42:18pm

re: #208 ObserverArt

No matter how many rationalisations are put out there - living through something like i’ve been describing where 90% of the polling was overturned and all the conventional wisdom was thrown out the window - thats a pretty damn scary thing.

When it comes down to it and you realise your friends and neighbours are willing to sacrifice your countries economic future on a stark yes/no - and they choose to completely tank your economy because they don’t like foreigners, it’s a big fucking deal.
Trump wants to tank your economy and get elected on the basis people dont like foreigners. I am living through it now and will be living through the consequences of it for decades. Families will be torn apart by what has happened here - good friends may have to leave, people who have made lives here in good faith and with every best will in the world to make the UK a better place.

So, I will beg indulgence that I don’t want to see that happen anywhere else. One of our tabloids ran a headline just yesterday about how long it would take to deport all EU migrants - not illegal immigrants, genuine EU citizens. It gets very nasty very fast.

Europeans are being beaten up on the streets - hate crimes are going through the roof, people are openly feeling legitimised in their hatred and bigotry. Once the lid comes off it’s really fucking bad.

Trump doesn’t even have to win to have that effect on discourse or actions, the open overt racsim is bubbling again at his rallies and on the fringes it’s even worse.

The UK is looking at a future where an iron curtain comes down and we send people back home, a lot of people back home - we are looking at reducing the number of refugees and migrants from all corners of the globe. Because it couldn’t happen here.

Friends I have known most of my life may be forced to leave, but it could never happen here. It did and it hurts like hell and its is incredibly raw and incredibly personal. I’m sorry if your offended.

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EPR-radar  Sep 27, 2016 • 5:42:37pm

re: #237 majii

Neither of my brothers who served in the Vietnam and in the Desert Storm conflicts/wars wore flag pins, but it doesn’t mean they weren’t loyal Americans. I sincerely don’t “get” the right-wing fixation on politicians wearing American flag pins because to me, it isn’t a measure of one’s loyalty to the U.S. It’s simply a false symbol of loyalty and patriotism imposed by some onto others. I oftentimes wonder how many who take to social media to scream about a pol not wearing a flag pin would be willing to actually this defend this country. Some instinct tells me that many of them wouldn’t be willing to do it, but they get a huge kick out of imposing, or trying to impose, their standards on others.

RWNJ obsession about the stupid flag pins is easy enough to understand. It’s pure bullshit, intended as a power grab by “othering” those they have named as enemies.

RWNJ religion for most believers obviously has the same basic nature, as seen by their acceptance of Trump.

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Belafon  Sep 27, 2016 • 5:42:43pm

re: #229 The Vicious Babushka

Wingnuts are shallow— that is why they assign such major importance to trivial displays of national symbols as evidence of “patriotism”

Corollary: the freakouts over Kaepernick kneeling during the national anthem.

I’m working on an idea for an article about false patriots. Those who try to substitute idols such as the flag and the anthem for true devotion to the country.

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unproven innocence  Sep 27, 2016 • 5:43:05pm

re: #238 Weaselone

So he forgot the debate was only 90 minutes long?

Maybe he simply forgot to pee right before the debate.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 27, 2016 • 5:43:55pm
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Charles Johnson  Sep 27, 2016 • 5:44:36pm
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Romantic Heretic  Sep 27, 2016 • 5:46:23pm

re: #193 Wozza Matter?

Take care.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 27, 2016 • 5:46:23pm

re: #246 Charles Johnson

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EPR-radar  Sep 27, 2016 • 5:49:11pm

re: #241 Wozza Matter?

I think a big part of the problem with Brexit is that the ideals of the European Union just didn’t have a lot of popular support. If things were going well enough, this discontent wouldn’t cause trouble, but tough economic times make the EU a target for demagogues everywhere on the continent.

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Romantic Heretic  Sep 27, 2016 • 5:49:26pm
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goddamnedfrank  Sep 27, 2016 • 5:49:31pm

re: #85 goddamnedfrank

This story is probably bugging me more than it should. It’s just that I can’t get over how the psychological pathology somehow manages to roll down into each new generation of Trump like some sort of congenital defect. Trump’s grandpa was a pimp, his dad ran with the Klan, he’s a fucking sexist, racist, psychopathic trainwreck of a human being, and his kids (at least his adult kids) are continuing the tradition by acting like a gaggle of spoiled, hot-garbage people.

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Romantic Heretic  Sep 27, 2016 • 5:49:48pm

re: #209 MsJ

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Great minds. ;)

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 27, 2016 • 5:50:15pm

re: #212 Cheechako

Just how many were there for the circus side-show?

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Anymouse  Sep 27, 2016 • 5:51:17pm

re: #194 thedopefishlives

Well, realize that I still haven’t outed myself as a moderate-liberal to anyone except all y’all and my wife. Since I have just gotten into a good working relationship with this particular individual, I don’t really want to make things awkward by revealing I’m not who he thinks I am.

My whole uber-conservative and Christian town knows I am slightly to the right of Trotsky (and a Democrat and atheist), and still elected me twice.

It might be because my town is small enough that everyone knows me, so the “librul evul, atheist satanist” derp doesn’t balance with what they actually see.

Was speaking with one of my Trump-supporting neighbours a few minutes ago in my kitchen about taking care of Felix Randomkitty Diabetic the First tomorrow while I am in surgery. He said he did not watch the debate (I watched it here). I suggested he do so as Hillary Clinton spanked Donald Trump from beginning to end; he went to the Public Library to go look up an on-line recording.

Perhaps I might have chipped away at another Trump voter, we’ll see.

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allegro  Sep 27, 2016 • 5:51:44pm

re: #253 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 27, 2016 • 5:52:56pm

re: #251 goddamnedfrank

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This story is probably bugging me more than it should. It’s just that I can’t get over how the psychological pathology somehow manages to roll down into each new generation of Trump like some sort of congenital defect. Trumps grandpa was a pimp, his dad ran with the Klan, he’s a fucking sexist, racist, psychopathic trainwreck of a human being, and his kids (at least his adult kids) are continuing the tradition by acting like a gaggle of spoiled, hot-garbage people.

There’s also Eric’s tweet about how touched he was that their staff were giving up time with their own families to be there over some holiday. Based on what we know of Trump’s employee relations, I’m pretty sure that saying “I have to spend Christmas with my family” is not something that would be rewarded.

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EPR-radar  Sep 27, 2016 • 5:54:24pm

re: #251 goddamnedfrank

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This story is probably bugging me more than it should. It’s just that I can’t get over how the psychological pathology somehow manages to roll down into each new generation of Trump like some sort of congenital defect. Trumps grandpa was a pimp, his dad ran with the Klan, he’s a fucking sexist, racist, psychopathic trainwreck of a human being, and his kids (at least his adult kids) are continuing the tradition by acting like a gaggle of spoiled, hot-garbage people.

Mitt Romney et al. had the same tendencies, just much less blatant. This kind of depravity is to be expected in any society that permits an idle aristocracy to exist.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 27, 2016 • 5:54:49pm
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thedopefishlives  Sep 27, 2016 • 5:54:51pm

re: #254 Anymouse

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goddamnedfrank  Sep 27, 2016 • 5:56:10pm
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Stanley Sea  Sep 27, 2016 • 5:56:13pm
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Anymouse  Sep 27, 2016 • 5:56:57pm

re: #237 majii

Neither of my brothers who served in the Vietnam and in the Desert Storm conflicts/wars wore flag pins, but it doesn’t mean they weren’t loyal Americans. I sincerely don’t “get” the right-wing fixation on politicians wearing American flag pins because to me, it isn’t a measure of one’s loyalty to the U.S. It’s simply a false symbol of loyalty and patriotism imposed by some onto others. I oftentimes wonder how many who take to social media to scream about a pol not wearing a flag pin would be willing to actually defend this country. Some instinct tells me that many of them wouldn’t be willing to do it, but they get a huge kick out of imposing, or trying to impose, their standards on others.

I’ve worn a flag pin once in my entire life, when I was at a veteran’s appreciation dinner on Veterans Day when my family was awarded its Gold Star Family lapel buttons forty-five years late.

I usually wear my Gold Star Family button.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 27, 2016 • 5:57:33pm

re: #261 Stanley Sea

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They call that shit show we saw last night a win? Okay if they want to call it that………

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thedopefishlives  Sep 27, 2016 • 5:58:06pm

re: #263 HappyWarrior

They call that shit show we saw last night a win? Okay if they want to call it that………

They can’t exactly admit defeat. Even if they should.

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austin_blue  Sep 27, 2016 • 5:58:18pm

re: #149 Wozza Matter?

London as the financial services centre benefited hugely from EU membership - it is the English speaking place to be for American banks wanting an EU headquarters and a chunk of the Japanese banks too. Being that conduit is a tremendous boon, and if we don’t stay in the single market i am genuinely shit scared about what happens next.

You should be. The City is the engine that runs the UK.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 27, 2016 • 6:00:19pm
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Ziggy_TARDIS  Sep 27, 2016 • 6:01:56pm

re: #241 Wozza Matter?

I do understand what you are saying. I really do.

But it also must be understood also that American Elections run much closer.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 27, 2016 • 6:04:21pm
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Belafon  Sep 27, 2016 • 6:07:06pm

re: #241 Wozza Matter?

No matter how many rationalisations are put out there - living through something like i’ve been describing where 90% of the polling was overturned and all the conventional wisdom was thrown out the window - thats a pretty damn scary thing.

When it comes down to it and you realise your friends and neighbours are willing to sacrifice your countries economic future on a stark yes/no - and they choose to completely tank your economy because they don’t like foreigners, it’s a big fucking deal.
Trump wants to tank your economy and get elected on the basis people dont like foreigners. I am living through it now and will be living through the consequences of it for decades. Families will be torn apart by what has happened here - good friends may have to leave, people who have made lives here in good faith and with every best will in the world to make the UK a better place.

So, I will beg indulgence that I don’t want to see that happen anywhere else. One of our tabloids ran a headline just yesterday about how long it would take to deport all EU migrants - not illegal immigrants, genuine EU citizens. It gets very nasty very fast.

Europeans are being beaten up on the streets - hate crimes are going through the roof, people are openly feeling legitimised in their hatred and bigotry. Once the lid comes off it’s really fucking bad.

Trump doesn’t even have to win to have that effect on discourse or actions, the open overt racsim is bubbling again at his rallies and on the fringes it’s even worse.

The UK is looking at a future where an iron curtain comes down and we send people back home, a lot of people back home - we are looking at reducing the number of refugees and migrants from all corners of the globe. Because it couldn’t happen here.

Friends I have known most of my life may be forced to leave, but it could never happen here. It did and it hurts like hell and its is incredibly raw and incredibly personal. I’m sorry if your offended.

Here in the US, at least, polling has actually been turned into a science. We know how trends work. We have histories of stats to build on.

I’m not saying we can stay home. That would be the one thing we can do. But I’ve never seen panic solve any problems, nor worry without action.

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EPR-radar  Sep 27, 2016 • 6:09:19pm

re: #263 HappyWarrior

They call that shit show we saw last night a win? Okay if they want to call it that………

Most of them are probably young earth creationists. That give them lots of practice in making up the most astonishing bullshit imaginable and passing it off as fact.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 27, 2016 • 6:09:23pm

re: #268 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Awesome. I was wondering what he would do. I have a lot of respect for John Warner dating back to his vote against Bork and his refusal to support Oliver North. He’s a statesman. Someone who truly does value country above party.

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Romantic Heretic  Sep 27, 2016 • 6:09:29pm

For some reason the thought just occurred to me that the Trump Campaign reminds me of a WWII Italian tank. Badly armed, poorly armoured and technologically backward.

And the Hillary Campaign is an 88mm PaK battery.

Very short of sleep and so my mind wanders in strange directions.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 27, 2016 • 6:10:12pm

Endorsement: Hillary Clinton is the only choice to move America ahead

The Arizona Republic editorial board endorses Hillary Clinton for president.

Since The Arizona Republic began publication in 1890, we have never endorsed a Democrat over a Republican for president. Never. This reflects a deep philosophical appreciation for conservative ideals and Republican principles.

This year is different.

The 2016 Republican candidate is not conservative and he is not qualified.

That’s why, for the first time in our history, The Arizona Republic will support a Democrat for president.

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EPR-radar  Sep 27, 2016 • 6:11:52pm

re: #271 HappyWarrior

Awesome. I was wondering what he would do. I have a lot of respect for John Warner dating back to his vote against Bork and his refusal to support Oliver North. He’s a statesman. Someone who truly does value country above party.

So Warner and perhaps a handful of others is the entirety of the civilized wing of the Republican party these days?

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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 27, 2016 • 6:13:34pm

SADS :(

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HappyWarrior  Sep 27, 2016 • 6:14:13pm

re: #274 EPR-radar

So Warner and perhaps a handful of others is the entirety of the civilized wing of the Republican party these days?

Well he’s been retired since 2009. Mark Warner actually holds his old seat. He endorsed him for re-election which was very interesting since 20 years ago they opposed each other. It was a very civil race for a presidential year Senate race. The wingnuts in this state hate John Warner but he’s well respected still.

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gocart mozart  Sep 27, 2016 • 6:16:17pm
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Ziggy_TARDIS  Sep 27, 2016 • 6:16:44pm

re: #275 The Vicious Babushka

He died when he went into that coma. His body simply followed him.

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Stanley Sea  Sep 27, 2016 • 6:16:50pm

re: #275 The Vicious Babushka

SADS :(

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Sep 27, 2016 • 6:17:38pm

If someone’s brain is not working anymore, they are no longer there.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 27, 2016 • 6:17:55pm

re: #277 gocart mozart

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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 27, 2016 • 6:19:19pm

wait

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austin_blue  Sep 27, 2016 • 6:19:39pm

re: #267 Ziggy_TARDIS

I do understand what you are saying. I really do.

But it also must be understood also that American Elections run much closer.

They do, and in this case, they shouldn’t. What Gazza is saying is that the passage of Brexit removed the cover of the anthill that is British racism. They felt empowered to walk the streets and beat the living crap out of “the other”. Black, brown, yellow, gay, Jewish, Muslim, Hindu, or non-english euros.

Ziggy, dude, that’s you. And in England, it wasn’t just “the Paki bastards”. A polish worker was nearly beaten to the death.

Poles, mind you, probably saved England during the Battle of Britain, by giving the RAF just enough functional pilots to fend off the Germans until Hitler fatally decided to bomb the cities instead of destroying the RAF. It was a very close thing.

If they are beating Poles on the streets of the UK, imagine what the white supremacists would feel emboldened to do here.

This is no shit realpolotik we are dealing with in this country this year, and it is just as scary as shit. Wazza’s right. We need to work our butt’s off to prevent it happening.

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gocart mozart  Sep 27, 2016 • 6:21:42pm
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HappyWarrior  Sep 27, 2016 • 6:23:13pm

re: #284 gocart mozart

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He also thought the housing crisis was good business. It’s honestly sad that a lot of people think this guy actually cares about anyone other than himself.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Sep 27, 2016 • 6:23:39pm

re: #283 austin_blue

Oh, I know we have work to do here.

However, they also have a much harder hill to climb here. There are more of us minorities (Whatever type we are) to begin with, which already hurts their voting power.

We need to turn out to defeat them, but we are not the UK.

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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 27, 2016 • 6:24:08pm
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ObserverArt  Sep 27, 2016 • 6:24:44pm

re: #241 Wozza Matter?

No matter how many rationalisations are put out there - living through something like i’ve been describing where 90% of the polling was overturned and all the conventional wisdom was thrown out the window - thats a pretty damn scary thing.

When it comes down to it and you realise your friends and neighbours are willing to sacrifice your countries economic future on a stark yes/no - and they choose to completely tank your economy because they don’t like foreigners, it’s a big fucking deal.
Trump wants to tank your economy and get elected on the basis people dont like foreigners. I am living through it now and will be living through the consequences of it for decades. Families will be torn apart by what has happened here - good friends may have to leave, people who have made lives here in good faith and with every best will in the world to make the UK a better place.

So, I will beg indulgence that I don’t want to see that happen anywhere else. One of our tabloids ran a headline just yesterday about how long it would take to deport all EU migrants - not illegal immigrants, genuine EU citizens. It gets very nasty very fast.

Europeans are being beaten up on the streets - hate crimes are going through the roof, people are openly feeling legitimised in their hatred and bigotry. Once the lid comes off it’s really fucking bad.

Trump doesn’t even have to win to have that effect on discourse or actions, the open overt racsim is bubbling again at his rallies and on the fringes it’s even worse.

The UK is looking at a future where an iron curtain comes down and we send people back home, a lot of people back home - we are looking at reducing the number of refugees and migrants from all corners of the globe. Because it couldn’t happen here.

Friends I have known most of my life may be forced to leave, but it could never happen here. It did and it hurts like hell and its is incredibly raw and incredibly personal. I’m sorry if your offended.

I’m not offended. I actually understand your point. I’ve been worried about America turning fascist because some of our population gets too big for itself and starts to want to control too much. I’ve had that thought since Ronnie Reagan in 1980.

The fear of ‘others’ is the match that can start that fire that has been kindled for a long time. We have never been closer.

I made the comment because you didn’t need “allow us” in your comment. In a way it hurts your point. Passion is enough.

This board is passionate. And we have talked about it. We have been stumped why he has the polling and followers he has. It is right there staring at us. People are happy that Clinton did well last night. Maybe you read that as being a little too assured it is in the bag. I do not believe many here think that way, if any at all.

Plus we have many members that are every bit as cautionary as you are being. Maybe you haven’t caught it because you have not been following along.

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teleskiguy  Sep 27, 2016 • 6:25:04pm
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HappyWarrior  Sep 27, 2016 • 6:25:26pm

re: #287 The Vicious Babushka

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FFS CNN, your own poll said he lost. Online polling can easily be manipulated. It’s also the polling equivalent of the “take one piece of candy” please house on Halloween.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 27, 2016 • 6:26:20pm

Anyhow night guys. Want to get some rest for tomorrow. So glad that the debate went well. Hopefully a lot of our country men and women who were even considering Trump changed their mind last night.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Sep 27, 2016 • 6:27:49pm

re: #290 HappyWarrior

If you read the article, they sort of slapped the shit out of the polls that showed him winning.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 27, 2016 • 6:28:49pm
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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 27, 2016 • 6:29:12pm

What a freaking con man, how can people be this stupid?

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EPR-radar  Sep 27, 2016 • 6:30:34pm

re: #283 austin_blue

They do, and in this case, they shouldn’t. What Gazza is saying is that the passage of Brexit removed the cover of the anthill that is British racism. They felt empowered to walk the streets and beat the living crap out of “the other”. Black, brown, yellow, gay, Jewish, Muslim, Hindu, or non-english euros.

Ziggy, dude, that’s you. And in England, it wasn’t just “the Paki bastards”. A polish worker was nearly beaten to the death.

Poles, mind you, probably saved England during the Battle of Britain, by giving the RAF just enough functional pilots to fend off the Germans until Hitler fatally decided to bomb the cities instead of destroying the RAF. It was a very close thing.

If they are beating Poles on the streets of the UK, imagine what the white supremacists would feel emboldened to do here.

This is no shit realpolotik we are dealing with in this country this year, and it is just as scary as shit. Wazza’s right. We need to work our butt’s off to prevent it happening.

Those are all very good points, and haven’t received any opposition that I’ve seen. The push back related mainly to the statement that “It can’t happen here” is a dominant attitude here and perhaps more generally among US anti-Trumpers.

IMO that’s false. It definitely can happen here, and I think this is generally appreciated at LGF. However, Republicans have been making race a political issue for the entirety of Obama’s terms in office, and less directly for decades prior to that.

This does reduce the chance that some previously undiscovered treasure trove of racist pig people suddenly shows up on election day to give a surprise victory to Trump.

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gwangung  Sep 27, 2016 • 6:30:49pm

re: #288 ObserverArt

I’m not offended. I actually understand your point. I’ve been worried about America turning fascist because some of our population gets too big for itself and starts to want to control too much. I’ve had that thought since Ronnie Reagan in 1980.

The fear of ‘others’ is the match that can start that fire that has been kindled for a long time. We have never been closer.

I made the comment because you didn’t need “allow us” in your comment. In a way it hurts your point. Passion is enough.

This board is passionate. And we have talked about it. We have been stumped why he has the polling and followers he has. It is right there staring at us. People are happy that Clinton did well last night. Maybe you read that as being a little too assured it is in the bag. I do not believe many here think that way, if any at all.

Plus we have many members that are every bit as cautionary as you are being. Maybe you haven’t caught it because you have not been following along.

13% vs. 37% actually does make it harder to tip over into fascism, though. That extra 24% is not going to go to Trump in any shape or form. Can’t be complacent, but the driving force for Brexit has a steeper uphill climb in America.

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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 27, 2016 • 6:30:59pm

It’s 4:30AM in Israel. I am pretty sure they are withholding the official announcement until a time that most Israelis will be awake.

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thedopefishlives  Sep 27, 2016 • 6:31:18pm

re: #294 The Vicious Babushka

What a freaking con man, how can people be this stupid?

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 27, 2016 • 6:31:47pm

re: #292 Ziggy_TARDIS

If you read the article, they sort of slapped the shit out of the polls that showed him winning.

I opened it, but had to close it when an autoplaying ad said, “What’s better than getting $5 of your next prescription for Viagra?”

Really. I shit you not.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Sep 27, 2016 • 6:32:20pm

re: #295 EPR-radar

Yeah, the secret trove of racist garbage came out when Obama was elected. No more secrets down there now. Especially since Trump fanned the flames.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Sep 27, 2016 • 6:32:34pm

re: #299 Blind Frog Belly White

I’m sorry. :(

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unproven innocence  Sep 27, 2016 • 6:33:24pm

re: #294 The Vicious Babushka

What a freaking con man, how can people be this stupid?

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 27, 2016 • 6:33:32pm

re: #294 The Vicious Babushka

What a freaking con man, how can people be this stupid?

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teleskiguy  Sep 27, 2016 • 6:35:08pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 27, 2016 • 6:35:40pm

re: #301 Ziggy_TARDIS

I’m sorry. :(

Luckily, nobody else was around. Coulda been embarrassing, here at work…

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Sep 27, 2016 • 6:36:10pm

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Barefoot Grin  Sep 27, 2016 • 6:36:26pm

re: #237 majii

Neither of my brothers who served in the Vietnam and in the Desert Storm conflicts/wars wore flag pins, but it doesn’t mean they weren’t loyal Americans. I sincerely don’t “get” the right-wing fixation on politicians wearing American flag pins because to me, it isn’t a measure of one’s loyalty to the U.S. It’s simply a false symbol of loyalty and patriotism imposed by some onto others. I oftentimes wonder how many who take to social media to scream about a pol not wearing a flag pin would be willing to actually defend this country. Some instinct tells me that many of them wouldn’t be willing to do it, but they get a huge kick out of imposing, or trying to impose, their standards on others.

I was in Japan when the kidnap victims had a brief return from North Korea. Thinking they were going back, they kept their Dear Leader pins on at all times. Of course, once it was clear Japan would keep them, the pins came off right away. If you want to wear the pin, go for it. But if your party requires it?

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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 27, 2016 • 6:36:44pm

This is such utter bullshit. Only people who have never worked in actual real jobs use “lemonade stand” for business experience. This meme was also used by Janie Johnson, the Stupidest Lady Using Twitter. I blocked her in 2012 but her timeline was full of memes mocking the “lazy poors” and bragging about her “lemonade stand” business chops, even though she never worked at an actual job.

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VegasGolfer  Sep 27, 2016 • 6:39:42pm

re: #293 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Anymouse  Sep 27, 2016 • 6:40:41pm

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 27, 2016 • 6:40:56pm

re: #308 The Vicious Babushka

Sarah Palin also has a story about how Piper ran a lemonade stand at the governors mansion in Juneau that is pretty outrageous.

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thedopefishlives  Sep 27, 2016 • 6:43:27pm

re: #310 Anymouse

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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 27, 2016 • 6:44:15pm

re: #311 Backwoods_Sleuth

Sarah Palin also has a story about how Piper ran a lemonade stand at the governors mansion in Juneau that is pretty outrageous.

I had a lemonade stand for ONE DAY when I was a kid. There was a crew of workers digging up the street to lay a sewer line so I sold a bunch of kool-aid and ice water for 5¢ a cup. My Nana & nanny also helped (because it was their idea). It was fun for ONE DAY but I didn’t learn shit about business.

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Franklin  Sep 27, 2016 • 6:45:08pm

re: #313 The Vicious Babushka

I had a lemonade stand for ONE DAY when I was a kid. There was a crew of workers digging up the street to lay a sewer line so I sold a bunch of kool-aid and ice water for 5¢ a cup. My Nana & nanny also helped (because it was their idea). It was fun for ONE DAY but I didn’t learn shit about business.

And neither did the Trump kids.

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goddamnedfrank  Sep 27, 2016 • 6:45:30pm

re: #296 gwangung

13% vs. 37% actually does make it harder to tip over into fascism, though. That extra 24% is not going to go to Trump in any shape or form. Can’t be complacent, but the driving force for Brexit has a steeper uphill climb in America.

And that’s before we get to the other key demographic difference at play, the women’s vote. Brexit had an intrinsic subtext of racism and xenophobia, but not sexism. That’s something the Trump vs. Hillary contest brings to the table in spades.

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Decatur Deb  Sep 27, 2016 • 6:45:33pm

re: #310 Anymouse

Good luck with that.

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teleskiguy  Sep 27, 2016 • 6:45:38pm

re: #309 VegasGolfer

I love that film. So vivid.

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Belafon  Sep 27, 2016 • 6:46:16pm

re: #306 Ziggy_TARDIS

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 27, 2016 • 6:48:08pm

hands tissues to trump campaign…

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austin_blue  Sep 27, 2016 • 6:48:41pm

re: #295 EPR-radar

Those are all very good points, and haven’t received any opposition that I’ve seen. The push back related mainly to the statement that “It can’t happen here” is a dominant attitude here and perhaps more generally among US anti-Trumpers.

IMO that’s false. It definitely can happen here, and I think this is generally appreciated at LGF. However, Republicans have been making race a political issue for the entirety of Obama’s terms in office, and less directly for decades prior to that.

This does reduce the chance that some previously undiscovered treasure trove of racist pig people suddenly shows up on election day to give a surprise victory to Trump.

I agree, but, as Rob Thomas cleverly titled an episode of Veronica Mars “Safety is the Watchword”. As I have said numerous times, this election will come down to How It Plays In Plano. College educated suburban moms will decide this election.

Hillary did a tremendous job last night, and her commercials “Girls” and the one she released last night about Alicia Machado are brutal indictments of a sociopathic misogynist, but we all need to make the push, whether it is with money or volunteer time.

A man cold-calling for Dem GOTV efforts is worth his weight in gold this cycle.

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Stanley Sea  Sep 27, 2016 • 6:49:04pm

re: #314 Franklin

And neither did the Trump kids.

Well, only if the lemonade stand had a foundation. Kids collected $, bought some beanie babies & hid the rest in their toy box. Then they claimed a loss. Rosalita the maid/nanny gave them $ because they wouldn’t stop crying.

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ObserverArt  Sep 27, 2016 • 6:49:10pm

re: #293 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Shut up James Woods!

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Barefoot Grin  Sep 27, 2016 • 6:49:55pm

Ivanka and her brothers were trying to sell their dad’s tonsilloliths and learned that they could make the help pay for them.

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Anymouse  Sep 27, 2016 • 6:50:50pm

Here we go: North Carolina man shot by the police had a previous conviction for a violent crime and served seven years in jail.

huffingtonpost.com;

Of course, what he did then has no bearing on what happened now, but we gotta have it out there he was a convicted criminal in the past (who served his time).

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 27, 2016 • 6:51:12pm
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ObserverArt  Sep 27, 2016 • 6:51:21pm

re: #294 The Vicious Babushka

What a freaking con man, how can people be this stupid?

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When “Making America Great is not quite enough!”

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 27, 2016 • 6:52:03pm

O_o

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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 27, 2016 • 6:52:31pm

re: #326 ObserverArt

When “Making America Great is not quite enough!”

So stealing that & Tweeting it.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 27, 2016 • 6:54:09pm
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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 27, 2016 • 6:56:55pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 27, 2016 • 6:57:27pm
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thedopefishlives  Sep 27, 2016 • 6:58:03pm

re: #331 Backwoods_Sleuth

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This tweet would read the same if it was written by the RNC.

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austin_blue  Sep 27, 2016 • 6:58:43pm

re: #330 The Vicious Babushka

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Game on!!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 27, 2016 • 7:00:17pm
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thedopefishlives  Sep 27, 2016 • 7:02:14pm

re: #334 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Wasn’t it just the other day that he was seeking donations of up to $36,000 for his stupid crappy bumper stickers, with a thoughtful thank-you reply letter attached?

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gocart mozart  Sep 27, 2016 • 7:02:36pm

re: #293 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Birth Control Works  Sep 27, 2016 • 7:03:45pm

just a a drive-by to share a humor break:

O’Brian’s Scotch Gum (DS9 - S7ep4)

bbl

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Sep 27, 2016 • 7:04:04pm

re: #318 Belafon

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EPR-radar  Sep 27, 2016 • 7:04:09pm

re: #330 The Vicious Babushka

Comedy gold. Per Wikipedia, en.wikipedia.org

it appears that Trump’s one and only endorsement from Newspapers/magazines/ other media is from the National Enquirer.

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Feline Fearless Leader  Sep 27, 2016 • 7:06:02pm

Some automated ad below the comment box and beating the hell out of my LGF connection. Google Chrome - and all I have spinny ring o’doom and having to wait ten seconds for my typing to appear.

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ObserverArt  Sep 27, 2016 • 7:07:58pm

re: #319 Backwoods_Sleuth

hands tissues to trump campaign…

Peter Alexander ✔ @PeterAlexander
Trump campaign responds to Howard Dean’s unfounded claim that Trump’s sniffles reveal he uses cocaine.
9:27 PM - 27 Sep 2016
21 21 Retweets 23 23 likes

I have never been a big fan, but I have lost a lot of respect for Peter Alexander and NBC.

Dean did not say Trump used cocaine. He was asking questions on a level that Trump should be very familair.

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Snarknado!  Sep 27, 2016 • 7:08:02pm

re: #310 Anymouse

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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 27, 2016 • 7:08:14pm

It’s official now. SAD. :(

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GlutenFreeJesus  Sep 27, 2016 • 7:12:02pm

re: #336 gocart mozart

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FormerDirtDart  Sep 27, 2016 • 7:12:23pm
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austin_blue  Sep 27, 2016 • 7:14:24pm

He was a great leader of Israel and a great friend to the US. My condolences to his family and to all Israelis.

Ninety three is a good life though, isn’t it? Blew away the Psalms’ three score and ten.

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fern01  Sep 27, 2016 • 7:14:35pm

re: #314 Franklin

And neither did the Trump kids.

They leaned how to hit on the hired help - daddy trump would be so proud

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Anymouse  Sep 27, 2016 • 7:15:16pm

Not surprisingly, an on-line poll from my local newspaper (the one that sent out the E-mail asking if it was too liberal), has Donald Trump winning the debate by 67%.

starherald.com

Feel free to vote in it. (NE3 is the district most likely to go for Donald Trump according to Nate Silver.) Care to skew an on-line poll?

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ipsos  Sep 27, 2016 • 7:15:29pm

re: #345 FormerDirtDart

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MsJ  Sep 27, 2016 • 7:15:56pm

re: #340 Feline Fearless Leader

Some automated ad below the comment box and beating the hell out of my LGF connection. Google Chrome - and all I have spinny ring o’doom and having to wait ten seconds for my typing to appear.

Interesting. Earlier today in my iPhone 6s (iOS 10) with bigly capacity, kept crashing over and over and over until I got this (below). I thought it was because the thread was so long - or iOS 10 couldn’t handle it (as it always worked before no matter how many comments). Maybe it was an ad that did it.

E8tu4Lg+5OLhzXIRgxC/3qKvyD/65r6Z

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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 27, 2016 • 7:16:40pm
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FormerDirtDart  Sep 27, 2016 • 7:17:13pm

re: #349 ipsos

Now he can get a paying gig on Fox and Friends…

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Sep 27, 2016 • 7:17:27pm

snuff said!

snuffy smith
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The Ghost of a Flea  Sep 27, 2016 • 7:18:15pm

My entire take on that debate is just a .gif of that clown from Metalocalypse screaming I DO COCAINE over and over.

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MsJ  Sep 27, 2016 • 7:20:33pm

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austin_blue  Sep 27, 2016 • 7:20:51pm

re: #347 fern01

They leaned how to hit on the hired help - daddy trump would be so proud

They should have had their own series of shorts “Our Gang of Li’l Fuckweasels”, with Ivanka as Darla, Eric as Alfalfa, and Donny as Spanky, or maybe Petey. Yeah, Petey- he’s a lap dog.

That would have rocked.

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Skip Intro  Sep 27, 2016 • 7:24:41pm

re: #339 EPR-radar

Comedy gold. Per Wikipedia, en.wikipedia.org

it appears that Trump’s one and only endorsement from Newspapers/magazines/ other media is from the National Enquirer.

I think Ivanka’s husband’s paper endorsed him, and then there’s Breitbart and StormTrumpers Quarterly.

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Anymouse  Sep 27, 2016 • 7:25:12pm

BBC reporting the death of former Israeli Prime Minister Shimon Perez:
bbc.com

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Anymouse  Sep 27, 2016 • 7:26:16pm

re: #357 Skip Intro

I think Ivanka’s husband’s paper endorsed him, and then there’s Breitbart and StormTrumpers Quarterly.

Don’t forget endorsements from Daily Stormer and Stormfront.

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Apocalypse  Sep 27, 2016 • 7:29:06pm

re: #357 Skip Intro

Der Strumer has as well.

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Anymouse  Sep 27, 2016 • 7:29:21pm

Trump, zero days since last an international embarrassment:

bbc.com

Reporting on Alicia Machado being called “Miss Housekeeping” and “Miss Piggy” by Donald Trump.

Someone with drawing skills ought to come up with a graphic similar to the one of the State of Texas that has “Zero Days Since National Embarrassment” on it, possibly with the Elder Sign of the Call of Cthulu and Donald Trump’s hairpiece (my wife has that as her desktop screen).

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ObserverArt  Sep 27, 2016 • 7:31:01pm

Heh. Rick Wilson is on Lawrence O’Donnell and he just said Trump was prepared for 20 minutes of debate and the rest was pure cray.

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teleskiguy  Sep 27, 2016 • 7:32:21pm

YES!

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GlutenFreeJesus  Sep 27, 2016 • 7:34:19pm

re: #354 The Ghost of a Flea

My entire take on that debate is just a .gif of that clown from Metalocalypse screaming I DO COCAINE over and over.

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The Ghost of a Flea  Sep 27, 2016 • 7:36:55pm

re: #364 GlutenFreeJesus

That’s the ticket.

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Anymouse  Sep 27, 2016 • 7:38:19pm

Because of my third-party script blocking software, the Star-Herald’s voting in the poll for Clinton v Trump in the debates shows me the actual number of votes in the poll currently:

94 to 51

We can pick up the pace here for Mrs. Clinton. Why should conservatives have all the fun skewing on-line polls?

A two-to-one advantage in polling for Mr. Trump seems about in line with his support here.

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Sep 27, 2016 • 7:42:15pm

grow the economy

now, see, donald, like most republicans, definitely puts out a lot of fertilizer

that’s fertilizer, son, fertilizer - he’s a nice boy but he aint too bright…

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Stanley Sea  Sep 27, 2016 • 7:42:47pm

VB?

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Dragonomics  Sep 27, 2016 • 7:55:12pm

Donald Trump, Sarah Palin, Rick Perry: it’s the reality TV party, and “why not?” Because Grand Old sure ain’t working for that gaggle of goobers no more.

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freetoken  Sep 27, 2016 • 7:58:14pm

re: #366 Anymouse

Well, I just went and did the poll found here:

starherald.com

However, something must be wrong with the php program, because this is the results I get back after voting:

Donald Trump 21.1%
Hillary Clinton 12.1%

What happened to the other 66% ?

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danarchy  Sep 27, 2016 • 7:59:32pm

re: #370 freetoken

Well, I just went and did the poll found here:

starherald.com

However, something must be wrong with the php program, because this is the results I get back after voting:

What happened to the other 66% ?

I see this:

Donald Trump 63.5%
Hillary Clinton 36.5%

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BeachDem  Sep 27, 2016 • 8:00:50pm

re: #233 Backwoods_Sleuth

bwahahahaaaa

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Sounds like he’s warming up for a reading of “The Snake.” He is such a buffoon.

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freetoken  Sep 27, 2016 • 8:01:05pm

Ok, now it sez this:

Donald Trump 62.3%
Hillary Clinton 37.7%

I don’t trust computers.

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Anymouse  Sep 27, 2016 • 8:02:43pm

re: #370 freetoken

Well, I just went and did the poll found here:

starherald.com

However, something must be wrong with the php program, because this is the results I get back after voting:

What happened to the other 66% ?

That’s weird. Still showing the 67% number after I closed the page and re-opened it.

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Anymouse  Sep 27, 2016 • 8:03:16pm

Need to re-start my computer … brb.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 27, 2016 • 8:04:06pm

re: #369 Dragonomics

Don’t forget the Duck Dynasty guys.

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teleskiguy  Sep 27, 2016 • 8:04:43pm

re: #373 freetoken

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KingKenrod  Sep 27, 2016 • 8:06:50pm

re: #370 freetoken

Well, I just went and did the poll found here:

starherald.com

However, something must be wrong with the php program, because this is the results I get back after voting:

What happened to the other 66% ?

I got this:

Donald Trump 20.8%
Hillary Clinton 12.6%

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freetoken  Sep 27, 2016 • 8:10:17pm

More sports podcast talk… another caller thinks Drumpfskind won last night…

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BlueSpotinAL  Sep 27, 2016 • 8:12:58pm

re: #360 Apocalypse

Der Strumer has as well.

Is that a guitar magazine? ///

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austin_blue  Sep 27, 2016 • 8:16:58pm

Tonight’s single is an Aberlour 12-year old.

Nice whiskey.

Oh, and Drumpf is still a Poo-flinging Nuclear Cheetoh Shit Gibbon.

But today, he is an ass-whipped Poo-flinging Nuclear Cheetoh Shit Gibbon.

Today is a good day!

And tomorrow will be better because he’s going to wake up and realize he’s a Loser.

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BeachDem  Sep 27, 2016 • 8:17:12pm

re: #242 EPR-radar

RWNJ obsession about the stupid flag pins is easy enough to understand. It’s pure bullshit, intended as a power grab by “othering” those they have named as enemies.

RWNJ religion for most believers obviously has the same basic nature, as seen by their acceptance of Trump.

From Mandy Powers-Norrell’s speech at our county fundraiser the other night (actually, it’s lifted from her state of the state rebuttal speech earlier this year)

…the Democratic Party has made mistakes too. Chief among them is that we have let the other side define themselves as the moral party.
But the truth is you cannot lead on moral issues if you mislead on substantive ones
. You cannot alleviate the hurts of working people by giving tax cuts to the wealthy…You can’t lift people up by pushing them down. You can’t call yourself pro-life if you are anti-child.

thestate.com

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FormerDirtDart  Sep 27, 2016 • 8:17:35pm

…it could be the CHYNA…we don’t know who it could be…it could be some 400 pound guy sitting in his basement…

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Dragonomics  Sep 27, 2016 • 8:21:06pm

re: #376 Eclectic Cyborg

I haven’t. Nor have I forgot Huckabee and his unabashed 19 Kids and Counting quiverful fandom. The whole GOP is a sick circus of sideshow freak fanatics.

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Shiplord Kirel  Sep 27, 2016 • 8:21:19pm

This election campaign gives me some insight into how the adults felt during the Cuban Missile Crisis: Waiting around to find out if the world will end.
The odds favor survival this time, too, but it is still way too close for comfort.

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VegasGolfer  Sep 27, 2016 • 8:21:31pm

re: #381 austin_blue

Tonight’s single is an Aberlour 12-year old.

Nice whiskey.

Oh, and Drumpf is still a Poo-flinging Nuclear Cheetoh Shit Gibbon.

But today, he is an ass-whipped Poo-flinging Nuclear Cheetoh Shit Gibbon.

Today is a good day!

And tomorrow will be better because he’s going to wake up and realize he’s a Loser.

Good idea. Think I’ll have a pour of my Kirkland 24yr. blended scotch whisky

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jaunte  Sep 27, 2016 • 8:24:56pm

re: #381 austin_blue

Oh, and Drumpf is still a Poo-flinging Nuclear Cheetoh Shit Gibbon.

But today, he is an ass-whipped Poo-flinging Nuclear Cheetoh Shit Gibbon.

I’m reading The Making of Donald Trump by David Cay Johnston. I wish everyone could invest $20 in this book so they could discover definitively that DJT is truly the worst person ever to be a candidate.
amazon.com

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jaunte  Sep 27, 2016 • 8:28:40pm
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freetoken  Sep 27, 2016 • 8:29:58pm

Near my corner of the globe:

Police shoot, wound man in San Diego area; protesters gather

Police shot and wounded a man they said was acting erratically in a San Diego suburb on Tuesday, drawing an angry cluster of protesters that believed it to be another instance of law enforcement shooting an unarmed black man.

Several dozen people, most of them black, gathered and some cursed at officers guarding the scene in El Cajon after the shooting.

[…]

A woman who was working the drive-thru window at a restaurant next to the shooting captured it on video. The woman turned her phone over to investigators voluntarily and signed a consent form, police Lt. Rob Ransweiler said.

Police said the man did not have his hands up when he was shot, as some witnesses have said, and police say the cellphone video shows this.

[…]

Some reports say the man has since died. The reports seem to conflict, so more will have to come later.

No claim, even by the police, that the man had a gun.

Other reports say it was his sister, with him, who called the police, she claiming he was ill.

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FormerDirtDart  Sep 27, 2016 • 8:30:40pm

Follow up time:
Trump supporters are just a collection group herd of “Merica’s best people…just the best people…he gets the best people…

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jaunte  Sep 27, 2016 • 8:30:57pm

May we all be remembered with a 24 year old head of hair.

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VegasGolfer  Sep 27, 2016 • 8:32:29pm

re: #387 jaunte

I’m reading The Making of Donald Trump by David Cay Johnston. I wish everyone could invest $20 in this book so they could discover definitively that DJT is truly the worst person ever to be a candidate.
amazon.com

I was pimping that book a few months ago. Its a great read, although it will never convince trump followers that he is a piece of shit.
Also read Trumped! by John O’Donnell, this guy actually worked with trump in his failed casinos. Think its 3 bucks on amazon kindle.

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jaunte  Sep 27, 2016 • 8:32:32pm

Oops! I posted this earlier today.

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jaunte  Sep 27, 2016 • 8:34:02pm

WaPo:

A spokesperson for TrendsMap confirms that the map isn’t theirs — and that the hashtag started in the U.S., according to their data.

“This is certainly not from any of our tools and do not know of any tools that look this way,” Kathy Mellett said in an email. “Based upon our analysis, #TrumpWon primarily came from the US. There was an initial spike just after the debate followed by a much larger one a few hours later. In particular, around 97% of the initial spike of approximately 6,000 tweets came from the US.” The next highest countries? Canada and the U.K.

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Stanley Sea  Sep 27, 2016 • 8:37:12pm

re: #389 freetoken

Near my corner of the globe:

Police shoot, wound man in San Diego area; protesters gather

Some reports say the man has since died. The reports seem to conflict, so more will have to come later.

No claim, even by the police, that the man had a gun.

Other reports say it was his sister, with him, who called the police, she claiming he was ill.

Looks like a mentally ill unarmed black man. I see reports that he has died. Tomorrow will tell.

Can’t believe the lady turned over her phone.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Sep 27, 2016 • 8:37:58pm

DeviantArt of all place took a swing at Gingrich.

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BeachDem  Sep 27, 2016 • 8:40:12pm

re: #314 Franklin

And neither did the Trump kids.

Au contraire. The Trump kids learned:

Even if you don’t do your homework, pick a crappy location, and have no legitimate way to break even or make a profit, if your daddy’s rich enough, you can threaten and/or intimidate people who depend on him for their livelihood to make them cover your asses with money from their own pockets—whether they can afford it or not.

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VegasGolfer  Sep 27, 2016 • 8:41:04pm

re: #395 Stanley Sea

Looks like a mentally ill unarmed black man. I see reports that he has died. Tomorrow will tell.

Can’t believe the lady turned over her phone.

nbcsandiego.com

‘One witness at a local restaurant told NBC 7 police came and took away their phones following the incident.”
This is disturbing.

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retired cynic  Sep 27, 2016 • 8:41:50pm

re: #398 VegasGolfer

nbcsandiego.com

‘One witness at a local restaurant told NBC 7 police came and took away their phones following the incident.”
This is disturbing.

Not good. Not good at all!

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Anymouse  Sep 27, 2016 • 8:42:58pm

re: #342 Snarknado!

Well, Felix is hardly an invalid, especially since the insulin therapy started. He’s back to using me for a scratching post and trying to break the ten yard dash record through the house.

My wife’s second ex-husband just called while I was restarting my computer. His girlfriend is flying to Knoxville from Fredricton, New Brunswick. Invited us to his wedding next month.

I pointed out wouldn’t it be better if Cheeto Jesus wins that he fly to Fredricton, and get married there? Sadly, he said he has no passport. I told him to get on that, as we could visit them from Saskatchewan in that event.

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austin_blue  Sep 27, 2016 • 8:44:30pm

re: #383 FormerDirtDart

…it could be the CHYNA…we don’t know who it could be…it could be some 400 pound guy sitting in his basement…

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Back in my day, this would be called traitors.

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austin_blue  Sep 27, 2016 • 8:45:51pm

re: #386 VegasGolfer

Good idea. Think I’ll have a pour of my Kirkland 24yr. blended scotch whisky

You bastard!

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Stanley Sea  Sep 27, 2016 • 8:46:15pm

My ex husband had an encounter with an Encinitas sheriff deputy years ago that I will not forget. He told me about the rage of this cop. Took his wallet, keys & phone & threw them on the hood of the car. Everything scattered. NO TICKET, no reason for ticket.

I saw the same deputy at the beach where we lived, he was so tatted up & so, to me roided out. Trouble.

Typical American city.

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freetoken  Sep 27, 2016 • 8:46:16pm

The woman who turned over he phone probably was not too tech savvy.

If one has a valuable picture or video on one’s device, the first thing one should do is email it to another couple of email addresses one may have or trust. Also upload to cloud storage that is protected with a different password than is on the phone.

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Anymouse  Sep 27, 2016 • 8:46:30pm

re: #401 austin_blue

Back in my day, this would be called traitors.

Well, seditionists anyway. Traitor has a very specific definition in the Constitution, like the Talibanjo in Oregon or the Bundista standoff in Nevada. Those were traitors, and should have been tried as such.

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calochortus  Sep 27, 2016 • 8:48:12pm

Happy dance.
Today I finished up the final iteration of my drawloom attachment (on which one weaves damask.) I started with a cheesy version where I had to figure out how big to make everything, where to put the holes, etc. Once I figured it out, a friend volunteered to use his woodworking shop (and superior skills) to make a nicer version. He cut and drilled. I did the sanding, finishing and assembly. It is lovely, if I do say so myself. The console (front part that faces the weaver) is birds eye maple, the rest is pine.

I’ve also written it up to share with other weavers who might want to try it without spending $$$$ (just $$) on it. (So, if you have a Glimåkra 100cm “Ideal” loom that you want to, ummm, improve-just let me know and I’ll share all the info.)
I can’t wait to get weaving on it again.

The loom I started with
The loom it is now
Birds eye maple drawloom console
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Shiplord Kirel  Sep 27, 2016 • 8:48:26pm

re: #383 FormerDirtDart

…it could be the CHYNA…we don’t know who it could be…it could be some 400 pound guy sitting in his basement…

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I’ve believed for some time that the Russkies were behind the sudden burgeoning of the Texas secession movement, its amazing transition from running joke to serious political force. This report is almost a smoking gun. If the Kremlin will support the pipsqueak California separatist crackpots, how would it not be backing the much larger and more influential Texas version?

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teleskiguy  Sep 27, 2016 • 8:49:46pm

re: #391 jaunte

May we all be remembered with a 24 year old head of hair.

I’m 34 and I have to be honest, I’ve got a bunch of fucking hair on my head.

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Anymouse  Sep 27, 2016 • 8:49:56pm

re: #406 calochortus

That is a beautiful piece of craftsmanship.

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BeachDem  Sep 27, 2016 • 8:50:24pm

re: #369 Dragonomics

Donald Trump, Sarah Palin, Rick Perry: it’s the reality TV party, and “why not?” Because Grand Old sure ain’t working for that gaggle of goobers no more.

Don’t forget Tom Delay—he was a dancing fool as well. And asswipe Sean Duffy, who went to congress fresh off his reality show fame.

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retired cynic  Sep 27, 2016 • 8:51:39pm

re: #406 calochortus

Good for you! My mother did weaving for a while, and really enjoyed the creative process.

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freetoken  Sep 27, 2016 • 8:51:39pm

The AZ Republic endorsement of Clinton is causing some hand-wringing, but perhaps not totally.

It appears that some registered Republicans and some self-confessing “conservatives” have accepted that Clinton is the only legitimate candidate and will win. Many may still be in denial of what exactly caused Drumpfskind to be regurgitated from the gizzard of the GOP, though.

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Pawn of the Oppressor  Sep 27, 2016 • 8:51:46pm

re: #390 FormerDirtDart

Follow up time:
Trump supporters are just a collection group herd of “Merica’s best people…just the best people…he gets the best people…

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I’m going to develop a character called “Sparks Controversy”.

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Anymouse  Sep 27, 2016 • 8:52:14pm
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FormerDirtDart  Sep 27, 2016 • 8:54:09pm

re: #401 austin_blue

Back in my day, this would be called traitors.

Well first, up until 1975 at least, they would be subpoenaed to testify before the House Un-American Activities Committee

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calochortus  Sep 27, 2016 • 8:54:53pm

re: #409 Anymouse

That is a beautiful piece of craftsmanship.

The craftsmanship belongs to my friend, the woodworker. But I did spend a lot of time with sandpaper, and ultimately a brown paper bag, which the internet assured me could stand in for 1600 grit sandpaper where something really, really needs to be smooth. In my case that’s the top of the “console” where one pulls the drawcords that make the pattern. I really didn’t think it would make that much of a difference compared to the 600 grit sandpaper, but I was wrong. It was noticeably smoother after being buffed with the paper.

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austin_blue  Sep 27, 2016 • 8:55:49pm

re: #385 Shiplord Kirel

This election campaign gives me some insight into how the adults felt during the Cuban Missile Crisis: Waiting around to find out if the world will end.
The odds favor survival this time, too, but it is still way too close for comfort.

We were living in Cherry Point, NC and my dad was sent down to Homestead with his squadron of Skyrays

Image: File:F4d_skyray.jpg

I was five, and had three younger siblings (we eventually became Irish quintuplets, my sister Kate was born 18 months later), and my mom was just freaking out. Fortunately, all of the squadron wives drew together and became a mutual support group. It’s the Marine way, and it worked. Fortunately, everybody got back home safe.

Vietnam was a sadder story.

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teleskiguy  Sep 27, 2016 • 8:59:39pm

re: #385 Shiplord Kirel

This election campaign gives me some insight into how the adults felt during the Cuban Missile Crisis: Waiting around to find out if the world will end.
The odds favor survival this time, too, but it is still way too close for comfort.

My mother still refuses to watch the film “Dr. Strangelove: or, How Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Bomb.” The duck-and-cover shit really scared her.

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teleskiguy  Sep 27, 2016 • 9:01:48pm

re: #418 teleskiguy

“YOU CAN’T JOKE ABOUT NUCLEAR WAR!”

Something my mother said to me when I was a teenager.

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retired cynic  Sep 27, 2016 • 9:02:36pm

re: #419 teleskiguy

“YOU CAN’T JOKE ABOUT NUCLEAR WAR!”

Something my mother said to me when I was a teenager.

I was born in the late 40s, and I hear her!!

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Anymouse  Sep 27, 2016 • 9:04:01pm

re: #418 teleskiguy

My mother still refuses to watch the film “Dr. Strangelove: or, How Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Bomb.” The duck-and-cover shit really scared her.

I did plenty of the duck-and-cover stuff; I found the movie hilarious.

There is a collection of nine or so CDs plus a DVD or two called “The Atomic Platters” available at Amazon. It is a collection of all sorts of Civil Defense PSAs, long talks by famous people about preparation for the big one, &c.

My brother-in-law is into that sort of thing, so we bought him a set … his wife (formerly of the Soviet Union) is unpleased with us. (She was also unpleased when we sent an album of the Red Army Choir and Band - which still exists today but performs publicly - performing such things as the Hymn of the Soviet Union and Sweet Home Alabama).

More idiocy on Twitter … fun place to visit but I wouldn’t want to tweet there:

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austin_blue  Sep 27, 2016 • 9:04:30pm

re: #418 teleskiguy

My mother still refuses to watch the film “Dr. Strangelove: or, How Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Bomb.” The duck-and-cover shit really scared her.

archive.org

Oh, yeah, duck and cover.

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jaunte  Sep 27, 2016 • 9:04:50pm

re: #418 teleskiguy

I got in trouble during the duck and cover drill when I pointed out to the teacher that the bomb blast would spray us with broken window glass even if we were under the desks.

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calochortus  Sep 27, 2016 • 9:06:20pm

re: #418 teleskiguy

My mother still refuses to watch the film “Dr. Strangelove: or, How Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Bomb.” The duck-and-cover shit really scared her.

I love Dr. Strangelove. I was of the “go under your desk to survive nuclear attack” generation, but no one was really too worked up about it. It did mean our classrooms had really good blackout drapes for when we watched film strips or films, but they quit doing the air raid drills when I was in 3rd or 4th grade.
I suspect the fact that the teachers occasionally confused them with fire drills may have hastened their demise. There wasn’t any real harm in taking the class out onto the playground for an air raid-we would have been dead in pretty short order no matter where we were in the case of a nuclear war, but going under your desk for a fire drill is truly hazardous.

425
jaunte  Sep 27, 2016 • 9:06:42pm

“Bob does not take his Civil Defense Drill responsibilities seriously.”

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teleskiguy  Sep 27, 2016 • 9:07:03pm

re: #420 retired cynic

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Anymouse  Sep 27, 2016 • 9:07:11pm

I wonder if this woman is including Muslims, Hindus, Sikhs, and we pesky atheists in this?

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calochortus  Sep 27, 2016 • 9:08:26pm

re: #423 jaunte

I got in trouble during the duck and cover drill when I pointed out to the teacher that the bomb blast would spray us with broken window glass even if we were under the desks.

Yeah but as I said in my #424, some of us got really nice heavy blackout curtains to contain the glass. Nyah, nyah, nyah.

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teleskiguy  Sep 27, 2016 • 9:09:12pm

re: #422 austin_blue

Holy shit, I’m showing this to my mom the next time I’m over at her place. Wow.

Yeah, LGF sucks.

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retired cynic  Sep 27, 2016 • 9:09:44pm

re: #426 teleskiguy

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I have halfway between them: January 1948. Father was an army MP, went in at Normandy. Worshipped Ike. Mom was life long Democrat. Worshipped FDR.

431
jaunte  Sep 27, 2016 • 9:11:34pm

Look at those windows.

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BeachDem  Sep 27, 2016 • 9:12:24pm

re: #427 Anymouse

I wonder if this woman is including Muslims, Hindus, Sikhs, and we pesky atheists in this?

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She kinda skipped over the Juice as well.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Sep 27, 2016 • 9:13:06pm

re: #424 calochortus

I remember one time I think in first grade where we had some drill where the school actualy had its own fallout shelter built into the school-and down we went into it.

Bizarre that I remember it.

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whitebeach  Sep 27, 2016 • 9:13:47pm

re: #423 jaunte

I got in trouble during the duck and cover drill when I pointed out to the teacher that the bomb blast would spray us with broken window glass even if we were under the desks.

We lived virtually within spitting distance of a huge Strategic Air Command base for nuclear-armed B-52s. In other words, a certain target. The duck-and-cover drills in school became a joke for us. We knew better—-if an H-bomb hit, broken glass would be the least of our worries. The joke went something like:

“1. When the siren sounds, sit beneath your desk.

“2. Bend forward as far as possible with your head between your knees.

“3. Kiss your ass goodbye.”

435
jaunte  Sep 27, 2016 • 9:14:32pm

re: #433 Eric The Fruit Bat

The strangest thing I recall about that time was having the emotion for “we’re fucked” before knowing the words to express it.

436
Anymouse  Sep 27, 2016 • 9:14:32pm

I get the impression conservatives really don’t like us much. Or each other for that matter.

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calochortus  Sep 27, 2016 • 9:14:54pm

re: #431 jaunte

Yeah, growing up in CA, our schools were built in detached wings with a solid wall with a door on one side and a wall-o-windows on the opposite side. Nice, bright, gives the students something to look at if the class is boring, but even the densest person looking at them would realize flying glass might be a problem.

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jaunte  Sep 27, 2016 • 9:15:29pm

re: #434 whitebeach

For us it was the refineries on the east side of Houston.

439
FormerDirtDart  Sep 27, 2016 • 9:15:45pm

As a kid I was taught to “duck & cover”
As an adult, I was trained to put my “ass to the blast”
In which I would turn my back to the thermonuclear explosion, then lay face down on the ground, with my rifle secure beneath me.
To ensure it wasn’t damaged by the searing heat of the blast wave…

440
calochortus  Sep 27, 2016 • 9:16:20pm

re: #433 Eric The Fruit Bat

I remember one time I think in first grade where we had some drill where the school actualy had its own fallout shelter built into the school-and down we went into it.

Bizarre that I remember it.

Maybe handy for tornadoes or use as a root cellar or bsomething too? I can’t imagine spending the money for a fallout shelter at the school.

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Anymouse  Sep 27, 2016 • 9:17:39pm

re: #437 calochortus

Yeah, growing up in CA, our schools were built in detached wings with a solid wall with a door on one side and a wall-o-windows on the opposite side. Nice, bright, gives the students something to look at if the class is boring, but even the densest person looking at them would realize flying glass might be a problem.

Growing up in Central Michigan there wasn’t much of anything to be a target, but we went through the drills anyway. It didn’t make a lot of sense to me even as a second grader.

Now I live right in the middle of a veritable field of Minuteman III missile silos. My wife is of the opinion that if we ever see them go off like western Nebraska turning into a giant Roman candle, we should just pop popcorn and sit out on the lawn and watch.

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calochortus  Sep 27, 2016 • 9:19:15pm

re: #434 whitebeach

We lived virtually within spitting distance of a huge Strategic Air Command base for nuclear-armed B-52s. In other words, a certain target. The duck-and-cover drills in school became a joke for us. We knew better—-if an H-bomb hit, broken glass would be the least of our worries. The joke went something like:

“1. When the siren sounds, sit beneath your desk.

“2. Bend forward as far as possible with your head between your knees.

“3. Kiss your ass goodbye.”

By the time I was in Jr. High (mid 1960s) we all could list the several things that would make the SF Peninsula a “total annihilation zone.” I don’t recall anyone being particularly concerned.

443
teleskiguy  Sep 27, 2016 • 9:19:28pm

re: #430 retired cynic

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teleskiguy  Sep 27, 2016 • 9:22:11pm

re: #439 FormerDirtDart

As a kid I was taught to “duck & cover”
As an adult, I was trained to put my “ass to the blast”
In which I would turn my back to the thermonuclear explosion, then lay face down on the ground, with my rifle secure beneath me.
To ensure it wasn’t damaged by the searing heat of the blast wave…

You’ve also jumped out of flying aircraft how many times???

445
austin_blue  Sep 27, 2016 • 9:23:10pm

Sleepy time. 100,000 of my closest friends (heh) are coming to my town for ACL for the next two weekends.

First weekend is forecast to be dry and temperatures between 81 and 85 degrees. Fuck me running! All of the BernieBros are going to want to move here. This sucks so bad! Shooting man-buns off their heads is easy, but if you accidentally (!) aim a little low, you get arrested.

So unfair.

Culling the herd used be a legitimate wildlife management tool.

Night all. See you tomorrow.

446
Anymouse  Sep 27, 2016 • 9:24:10pm

When I was stationed in Virginia Beach, we pretty much figured at NAS Oceana that all of Tidewater would be a big smoking hole in the ocean (NAS Oceana, Little Creek Amphibious Base, NAS Norfolk, Naval Station Norfolk, Langley Air Force Base, Norfolk Naval Shipyard, Newport News Naval Ship Yard, Chesapeake Bay Bridge Tunnel (blow that and the Chesapeake Bay channels to the ocean are blocked).

Someone ought to report this to Twitter; I cannot. It is rather vile, promoting porn on the Gold Star Mothers Day feed.

Well, the private tag didn’t work.

Seems to be a link to another site, which means it may also be promoting malware.

447
FormerDirtDart  Sep 27, 2016 • 9:27:09pm

re: #444 teleskiguy

You’ve also jumped out of flying aircraft how many times???

190, but 35 of those were skydiving during the spring/summer of ‘99

448
retired cynic  Sep 27, 2016 • 9:27:20pm

re: #446 Anymouse

Zowee! Private please!

449
GlutenFreeJesus  Sep 27, 2016 • 9:28:03pm

re: #445 austin_blue

Wish I was able to make it this year. The condo is 1.3 miles from Zilker. I would have offered up parking for you. Next year!

450
Anymouse  Sep 27, 2016 • 9:28:35pm

re: #448 retired cynic

Zowee! Private please!

I did the private tag. It didn’t work. I removed the link. I am embarrassed and apologetic.

No matter how I fiddle with that Twitter link, it will not post as Private here.

451
Ziggy_TARDIS  Sep 27, 2016 • 9:29:29pm

re: #443 teleskiguy

I admit that the Zygon Invasion/Zygon Inversion two-parter shifted my views on war. I used to be a bit gung-ho about it, a real hawk. As Syria dragged on, and I saw the devastation there, it began to change.

This scene has put me into an odd zone, where I often know that War should be the last resort, but my emotions can still get the better of me in regards to certain countries.

The Doctor’s Speech - The Zygon Inversion - Doctor Who - BBC

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Anymouse  Sep 27, 2016 • 9:30:00pm

re: #448 retired cynic

Zowee! Private please!

How can a Twitter URL get around the private tag here? That is the first one I ever saw slip through it.

453
Bass Reeves  Sep 27, 2016 • 9:30:39pm

re: #450 Anymouse

I…apparently didn’t refresh the comment before you deleted the link. A quick scroll through there at least shows they weren’t picking on Gold Star families in particular, just high trending hashtags. It might even be automated.

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austin_blue  Sep 27, 2016 • 9:33:44pm

re: #449 GlutenFreeJesus

Wish I was able to make it this year. The condo is 1.3 miles from Zilker. I would have offered up parking for you. Next year!

Dude, I’m less than a mile from Zilker, in Bouldin Creek, two blocks south of Barton Springs Road. We had to vote for and adopt Block Parking Permit stickers for our cars just so we could park in front of our houses.

455
Anymouse  Sep 27, 2016 • 9:33:54pm

re: #453 Bass Reeves

I…apparently didn’t refresh the comment before you deleted the link. A quick scroll through there at least shows they weren’t picking on Gold Star families in particular, just high trending hashtags. It might even be automated.

Z’okay. It surprised me that the post came up with the video link in question in the clear.

Apparently I need to work on my cryptography skills. I can’t figure out why LGF’s privacy tag did not work on that Twitter link, but I don’t care to experiment on Mr. Johnson’s Website.

That post ought to be deleted from Twitter though.

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FormerDirtDart  Sep 27, 2016 • 9:34:05pm

re: #433 Eric The Fruit Bat

I remember one time I think in first grade where we had some drill where the school actualy had its own fallout shelter built into the school-and down we went into it.

Bizarre that I remember it.

In the mid/late ‘60’s I lived in Danbury Connecticut. We had a private bomb shelter. The short tunnel leading to it from the basement was lined with shelves full of canned food.

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Anymouse  Sep 27, 2016 • 9:37:58pm

It hides this cute kitten video just fine. I don’t understand how the -ah- revealing video got through.

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