Tuesday Night Tiny Desk Concert: Corinne Bailey Rae

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September 19, 2016 by BOB BOILEN • It’s been six years since Grammy-winning singer-songwriter Corinne Bailey Rae released her second album, The Sea, so this Tiny Desk concert feels like both a re-introduction and a welcome back. The Sea dealt with the sudden death of her husband, saxophonist Jason Rae; since then, she’s married producer Steve Brown, and together they’ve made a new record called The Heart Speaks In Whispers. That album has this English singer recording with the likes of Esperanza Spalding, Marcus Miller and members of the band KING.

There’s real joy in this genre-defying performance — just great songs and a unique voice. It’s a treat for new fans and old friends alike.

The Heart Speaks In Whispers is available now:
iTunes: itunes.apple.com
Amazon: amazon.com

SET LIST:
“Paris Nights / New York Mornings”
“Hey, I Won’t Break Your Heart”
“The Skies Will Break”

CREDITS:
Producers: Bob Boilen, Niki Walker; Audio Engineers: Suraya Mohamed, Josh Rogosin; Videographers: Niki Walker, Colin Marshall; Production Assistant: Rachel Horn; Photo: Morgan McCloy/NPR.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Sep 27, 2016 • 9:32:48pm

Houston Nazi-Lawyer-mass-shooter wannabe legally had his guns and had a concealed carry permit.

bbc.com

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Sep 27, 2016 • 9:33:16pm

THis is a must-read-and-share rant over at Juan Cole’s place. Here’s a taste:

Dear young progressives,

If recent polls are to be believed, younger progressive voters like you are either preparing to vote in unusually large numbers for Libertarian nominee Gary Johnson and Green Party candidate Jill Stein, or planning to stay home. If you’re going to stop reading now because tl;dr, the takeaway of this article is the following: please don’t do this. This is a very bad idea. If I had to rank-order all the bad decisions available to you in the universe it would go: 1) Any of these 3 options 2) Everything else.

You need to vote for Hillary Clinton or you may die in a fiery apocalypse that will make the plot of The Walking Dead seem like a story you tell to small children to comfort them and help them fall asleep. Voting for Gary Johnson or Jill Stein, or writing in Bernie Sanders, or staying home, will contribute materially to the Armageddon which will follow. This article will explain why.

Let’s take the low-hanging fruit first. Gary Johnson is a bizarre choice for young progressives to consider. I know the Libertarians promise to get the government out of your weed stash and your marriages, which is dope. But they also believe a lot of really preposterous and regressive things that would functionally obliterate modern society. The Libertarian Party platform explicitly calls for abolishing or repealing the following things: income taxes, Social Security, public education, the Environmental Protection Agency, Obamacare as well as and I quote, “all federal programs and services not required under the U.S. Constitution.” Since the U.S. Constitution does not really call for very many federal programs at all - it being a shortish document that establishes the rules of political order rather than a draft of the federal budget for a country of 319 million people in the year Twenty-Sixteen - that pretty much covers most of them except the military. These delusional fabulists are allowed to run around blabbering about their absurd fantasy of stripping the modern state down to its pre-industrial shell because none of them will ever get within a million miles of actual power and thus will never be held accountable for any of it. That their hilarious platform now exists on the Internet - a thing that was invented by government researchers, using a method (government-funded partnerships with universities) that Libertarians would abolish—is an irony beyond their grasp. On top of that, Gary Johnson himself appears to be high as a skyscraper 24 hours a day and has the general demeanor of someone who can’t quite remember what happened yesterday but thinks maybe he left the oven on. In short: libertarians are not serious people with well-thought-out plans for how to grapple with the many challenges of modernity. You should not vote for them in general. You definitely should not vote for this one.

Jill Stein, I suppose, makes a bit more sense for you. She seems like a nice, idealistic woman, and she clearly cares and has poured her heart into her activism, some of which has been quite effective. But I would argue that this is not enough to be considered presidential material. The sum total of her experience in government is serving a term-and-a-half on a small-town council in Massachusetts, a position she quit to run for governor. She has since run a series of campaigns for higher offices and has never come close to winning any of them. This isn’t about what she has or hasn’t said about vaccines. There is a reason that you do not invite someone from the U.S. Senate to analyze your MRI or pilot your next flight, just as there are very good reasons why we should not plunge total political neophytes directly into the highest political office in the country. Government is not neuroscience but it does require some basic expertise and experience. Barack Obama’s four years in the U.S. Senate are something that should be considered a bare minimum.

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jaunte  Sep 27, 2016 • 9:34:33pm

re: #1 GlutenFreeJesus

Police say they are investigating the gunman’s apartment and his social media accounts to try to establish a motive.
They found other historic military paraphernalia in his apartment, dating back to the US Civil War.

There may be something predictive about this particular fetish.

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calochortus  Sep 27, 2016 • 9:37:49pm

re: #2 Eric The Fruit Bat

THis is a must-read-and-share rant over at Juan Cole’s place. Here’s a taste:

Someone called in to a public radio show this morning to say how he thought both Clinton and Trump were terrible choices and he was glad he lived in CA so he could vote for Johnson or Stein without any danger of Trump winning the state.
I wanted to reach out through the radio and grab him by the throat while I slapped him up the side of the head. Yeah, Clinton and Trump are equally bad as long as Clinton wins. Don’t people listen to what they are saying?

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calochortus  Sep 27, 2016 • 9:49:24pm

I think it’s time to say good night. Hasta mañana, Lizards.

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Anymouse  Sep 27, 2016 • 9:55:43pm
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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Sep 27, 2016 • 10:01:04pm

Tom Hanks photobombs a couple’s wedding shoot bigly.

Tom Hanks Crashes Our Wedding

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GlutenFreeJesus  Sep 27, 2016 • 10:02:34pm

re: #6 Anymouse

“I’m not asking them. My surrogates are. I’m innocent.”

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Anymouse  Sep 27, 2016 • 10:12:18pm

re: #8 GlutenFreeJesus

“I’m not asking them. My surrogates are. I’m innocent.”

Well, part of the problem here (Mr. Reich is writing about the second time former Mexican President Vincente Fox received a fundraising E-mail from Mr. Trump, calling him my friend o_0) is that candidates trade and rent E-mail lists.

Though two complaints have already been made to the Federal Election Commission about fundraising E-mails sent to Scotland, Australia, Iceland, and other nations, the issue is whether it was deliberate.

I am not a lawyer, but as far as I can tell, if you rent or are given an E-mail list you are not under a particular obligation to vet millions of addresses to see if one is a foreigner.

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freetoken  Sep 27, 2016 • 10:12:50pm

Townhall runs a story about Alicia Machado and, you will not be surprised, the comments are filled with misogyny.

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Shiplord Kirel  Sep 27, 2016 • 10:20:20pm

Follow up to the “duck and cover” discussion from last thread:

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Sep 27, 2016 • 10:57:54pm

I think everyone is exhausted from the debate. Mighty quiet around here. Low energy. Sad!

//

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goddamnedfrank  Sep 27, 2016 • 11:00:42pm
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freetoken  Sep 27, 2016 • 11:01:18pm

re: #12 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Best analysis of the debate:

Oompa Loompa Doompa Dee Do Song

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Trumpia est omnis divisa in duo calathi(Sophist)  Sep 27, 2016 • 11:02:42pm

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lockjawcanbefun  Sep 27, 2016 • 11:12:05pm
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Anymouse  Sep 27, 2016 • 11:13:35pm

re: #13 goddamnedfrank

I’ve never run into a Bernie or Buster around here. I was a supporter of Senator Sanders when he was running, but switched to Sec’y Clinton when it became apparent Senator Sanders was going to lose in the primaries.

I am surrounded by Trump supporters. Trump supporters as far as the eye can see here.

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Anymouse  Sep 27, 2016 • 11:20:14pm

Apparently, users at 4chan and 8chan are none-too-happy with Mr. Trump’s performance.

thedailybeast.com

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Sep 27, 2016 • 11:24:55pm

re: #12 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

I think everyone is exhausted from the debate. Mighty quiet around here. Low energy. Sad!

//

Hockey started! Complete with a last-minute tying goal and an OT win.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Sep 27, 2016 • 11:27:09pm

re: #19 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Hockey started! Complete with a last-minute tying goal and an OT win.

And class starts for me in 30 minutes, so enjoy! BBL

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Sep 27, 2016 • 11:27:38pm

re: #20 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

And class starts for me in 30 minutes, so enjoy! BBL

Well it’s done now. That’s why I’m back.

But enjoy class!

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goddamnedfrank  Sep 27, 2016 • 11:31:50pm
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goddamnedfrank  Sep 27, 2016 • 11:37:15pm

Correction:

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PhillyPretzel  Sep 27, 2016 • 11:43:21pm

re: #23 goddamnedfrank

Both women fought for the right to vote. That is what matters.

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goddamnedfrank  Sep 27, 2016 • 11:48:35pm
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goddamnedfrank  Sep 28, 2016 • 12:33:56am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 28, 2016 • 12:34:27am

re: #3 jaunte

Police say they are investigating the gunman’s apartment and his social media accounts to try to establish a motive.
They found other historic military paraphernalia in his apartment, dating back to the US Civil War.

There may be something predictive about this particular fetish.There may be something predictive about this particular fetish.

I don’t know: I am big into the Civil War, fascinated by the history, but I do not own any weapons, nor have I fired a weapon more than a half dozen times in my life, nor would I particularly want to do so again.

But I gather that this fellow was more into the mythology of the Civil War and Nazism than the actual history.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 28, 2016 • 12:50:49am

There was mention here that Arizona might be in play:

Arizona Republic endorses Clinton for president, first time ever backing a Democrat

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goddamnedfrank  Sep 28, 2016 • 12:51:47am

re: #1 GlutenFreeJesus

Houston Nazi-Lawyer-mass-shooter wannabe legally had his guns and had a concealed carry permit.

bbc.com

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 28, 2016 • 12:53:45am

Let it be noted that he was a Lone Wolf and lived in total isolation from society and any political trends or ideologies,

/

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freetoken  Sep 28, 2016 • 12:59:18am
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Anymouse  Sep 28, 2016 • 1:16:45am

Elizabeth Warren needling Wells Fargo CEO bears fruit:

money.cnn.com

Wells Fargo CEO John Stumpf will forfeit much of his 2016 salary — including his bonus and $41 million in stock awards — as the bank launches a probe into its phony accounts scandal.

The fallout from the controversy has also resulted in its first major executive departure. Carrie Tolstedt, who headed the division that created the fake accounts, has left the company ahead of her scheduled retirement at year end.

Wells Fargo, under pressure from lawmakers and shareholders to take action, said Tolstedt will not receive a bonus or severance, and that she’ll forfeit all of her $19 million worth of unvested stock awards. Wells Fargo also said Tolstedt has agreed not to exercise some $34 million in stock options, the bank’s independent directors announced Tuesday.

The article continues with more details at CNN.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 28, 2016 • 1:23:53am

re: #32 Anymouse

Elizabeth Warren needling Wells Fargo CEO bears fruit:

money.cnn.com

The article continues with more details at CNN.

This will be spun as an enraged Pocohantas scalping the White Man out of revenge.

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Anymouse  Sep 28, 2016 • 1:45:21am

alternet.org

(with links to relevant news reporting within, and video of her description of the “assailant” on television)

A white female sheriff’s deputy in Georgia who claimed a large black man shot her but was saved by her Kevlar vest both in a police report and on television is to be fired. It seems from the evidence that she lied entirely, and shot herself (apparently for attention).

According to the sheriff, she is currently in a private psychiatric facility, and will be arrested upon release.

Sheriff Gary Long made a Facebook post about the case (also linked in the article), part of which says:

“Officers are human too, but I assure you that this is NO MISTAKE, this is a criminal act that tarnishes every badge worn across the United States of America.”

Well, off to bed. Long drive to Cheyenne tomorrow for surgery. We’ll see if I can bother y’all and whine about pain and such with my arm in a splint tomorrow night, if I can get back home tomorrow due to the late hour of the scheduled procedure.

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Timothy Watson  Sep 28, 2016 • 2:46:07am

Given all the Scarface parodies yesterday, had to post this song from the film’s soundtrack:

Debbie Harry Rush Rush

Rush, rush to me Yayo
Buzz, buzz give me Yayo
Yoyo no, no Yayo
Go, go, no, no Yayo
Rush, rush to me Yayo

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Alyosha  Sep 28, 2016 • 3:17:26am

I had a dream two nights ago that a post of mine scored seven down-dings.

Feel free to make that dream come true :)

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 28, 2016 • 3:19:05am

re: #36 Alyosha

I had a dream two nights ago that a post of mine scored seven down-dings.

Feel free to make that dream come true :)

I had a dream about going on a walk with my son and brother and finding giant vegetables, carrots and zucchini over three feet long, and giant pumpkins, all strewn about a public park.

feel free to interpret

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BeenHereAwhile  Sep 28, 2016 • 3:20:12am

re: #31 freetoken

Always envisioned this song as the night club orchestra’s selection to close the evening.

Ibrahim Ferrer - Dos gardenias

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Decatur Deb  Sep 28, 2016 • 3:27:03am

re: #34 Anymouse

alternet.org

(with links to relevant news reporting within, and video of her description of the “assailant” on television)

A white female sheriff’s deputy in Georgia who claimed a large black man shot her but was saved by her Kevlar vest both in a police report and on television is to be fired. It seems from the evidence that she lied entirely, and shot herself (apparently for attention).

According to the sheriff, she is currently in a private psychiatric facility, and will be arrested upon release.

Sheriff Gary Long made a Facebook post about the case (also linked in the article), part of which says:

Well, off to bed. Long drive to Cheyenne tomorrow for surgery. We’ll see if I can bother y’all and whine about pain and such with my arm in a splint tomorrow night, if I can get back home tomorrow due to the late hour of the scheduled procedure.

Does she have a backwards “B” scar on her face?

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Alyosha  Sep 28, 2016 • 3:38:29am

re: #37 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

The latent desire to be an exhibitionist.
That’s my professional opinion.

I have an honours degree in bullshit fwiw.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 28, 2016 • 3:52:39am

re: #40 Alyosha

The latent desire to be an exhibitionist.
That’s my professional opinion.

I have an honours degree in bullshit fwiw.

Yes, I would like to show off my big produce, but I lack the courgette

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Alyosha  Sep 28, 2016 • 3:57:04am

re: #41 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Really straining my gourd to come up with a good pun here…

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 28, 2016 • 3:58:46am

re: #42 Alyosha

Really straining my gourd to come up with a good pun here…

If you were Jewish, I would suggest that you kohl a rabbi

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dangerman  Sep 28, 2016 • 4:03:35am

ok its the weekly standard but holy effin moley, this is what passes for intelligent analysis?

He was better early, she was better late. Better to be better early.

really, why is that? no explanation

He was often incoherent in policy, as usual, and when he offered some clarity it was worrisome

which apparently doesnt matter because

But Trump also managed to avoid a major gaffe or insult—major by Trump standards anyway—of the kind that we saw from him throughout the primaries. There was no Judge Curiel moment, no Megyn Kelly menstruating moment. He didn’t connect Rafael Cruz to Lee Harvey Oswald or float any new crazy conspiracies. (After the debate ended, however, he complained about his “defective” microphone, wondering if “they” did it on purpose).

Maybe it’s because I had exceedingly low expectations for Trump coming in, but I thought if there were genuinely mixed opinions about who won the debate, that would mean Trump probably did.

except he did have a major gaffe/insult moment when he piled on Alicia Machado

and there arent “genuinely mixed opinions” about who won

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Alyosha  Sep 28, 2016 • 4:09:11am

re: #43 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Hmmm… maybe. On second thought, butternut…

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 28, 2016 • 4:10:28am

re: #44 dangerman

ok its the weekly standard but holy effin moley, this is what passes for intelligent analysis?

No, that is just click-bait. Again, to me the most damning proof of DT’s failure was the headline in newsmax, a major conservative news site. They simply posted an entirely neutral headline “Trump and Clinton Spar on Issues” or the like.

That was indication that even a true-blue red-state source like that could not bring itself to claim DT the clear and indisputable winner.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 28, 2016 • 4:11:02am

re: #45 Alyosha

Hmmm… butternut…

you have been PWNK3N3D!!!

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Alyosha  Sep 28, 2016 • 4:15:53am

re: #47 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

you have been PWNK3N3D!!!

Refresh my 45.

I believe I’m still zucchin-it.

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dangerman  Sep 28, 2016 • 4:17:15am

i just read that trump was “overcoached by his professional staff”

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 28, 2016 • 4:18:18am

re: #49 dangerman

i just read that trump was “overcoached by his professional staff”

Yes, he showed all the signs of overcoaching.

Have we heard anything but pathetic and contrived excuses for his performance from the Trump camp and his supporters?

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Decatur Deb  Sep 28, 2016 • 4:21:01am

re: #49 dangerman

i just read that trump was “overcoached by his professional staff”

He should hang it all out next time. Let his freak flag fly.

LET TRUMP BE TRUMP!!1

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dangerman  Sep 28, 2016 • 4:21:14am

re: #50 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Yes, he showed all the signs of overcoaching.

Have we heard anything but pathetic and contrived excuses for his performance from the Trump camp and his supporters?

i guess “overcoached” is trumpspeak for clinton’s “over prepared”

with all the pathetic, its kind of astounding to watch that it doesnt seem to budge his support

wilful proud ignorance

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dangerman  Sep 28, 2016 • 4:22:16am

re: #51 Decatur Deb

He should hang it all out next time. Let his freak flag fly.

LET TRUMP BE TRUMP!!1

i did hear him say yesterday he was holding back - yet another moronic bizarre explanation. “yeah i want to president so bad i purposely tanked the debate…”

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 28, 2016 • 4:26:10am

re: #53 dangerman

i did hear him say yesterday he was holding back - yet another moronic bizarre explanation. “yeah i want to president so bad i purposely tanked the debate…”

I am still waiting for comparisons between DT’s performance and Obama’s in his first debate with Romney, in which Obama made a pretty bad showing of himself, although he came back and kicked butt in the following two.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Sep 28, 2016 • 4:28:39am

So, Trump says he “won” the debate, except

— he had a bum mike
— Hillary was overprepared
— the moderator was biased
— Trump was overcoached (whatever that means)
— he was holding back
— he didn’t know the debate would last 90 minutes?
— Hillary referred to things in the past

Totally a win!

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Decatur Deb  Sep 28, 2016 • 4:29:27am

re: #53 dangerman

i did hear him say yesterday he was holding back - yet another moronic bizarre explanation. “yeah i want to president so bad i purposely tanked the debate…”

Even if he loses with the apparent 2-4% margins, his loyalists have shown that the fascists of my generation have been more successful than I had hoped. They have infected more of the kids than expected with their xenophobic bullshit.

Still, walking around in Alabama, you can see a degree of community that couldn’t exist in the 60s.

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Barefoot Grin  Sep 28, 2016 • 4:38:42am

re: #49 dangerman

i just read that trump was “overcoached by his professional staff”

And so by the end he could heard screaming “cut me, Mick!” Or maybe the trainer just rimmed his nostrils with vaseline.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Sep 28, 2016 • 4:39:34am

Drinkers of corporate beer, some news for youse! Anheuser-Busch in Bev will buy SAB Miller, creating an enterprise that will produce 1/3 of the world’s beer. Shareholders have approved the merger, the BBC reports.

bbc.com

SABMiller counts Peroni, Pilsner Urquell, and Grolsch among its stable of brands, while AB InBev produces Stella Artois, Corona, Leffe and Beck’s.

However, to get the deal past regulators, AB InBev has already agreed to sell SABMiller’s Peroni, Grolsch and Meantime brands to Tokyo-based drinks company Asahi.

The takeover is expected to boost AB InBev’s prospects in developing markets in Africa and China, where a SABMiller joint venture produces Snow, the world’s best selling beer by volume.

Snow is the best selling beer because China has a huge population, and Snow is sold everywhere in China for a low price. It’s not bad, if you like a thin lager.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 28, 2016 • 4:56:56am

re: #56 Decatur Deb

Still, walking around in Alabama, you can see a degree of community that couldn’t exist in the 60s.

But for that, we have come to see and hear a level of open bigotry and xenophobia that we have not experienced since the 60’s.

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dangerman  Sep 28, 2016 • 5:01:02am

ok the NYT actually reports that:

“A delicate approach to the candidate is now in the works. Before his advisers can shape Mr. Trump’s performance for the next debate, on Oct. 9 in St. Louis — which, contrary to speculation, he does plan to attend, a top aide said — they need to convince him that he can do better than he did in the first one and that only a disciplined, strategic attack can damage Mrs. Clinton with voters.”

note those are two separate thoughts that a top aide says they have to take a delicate approach while trying to “convince” trump

delicate…convince him…like captain obvious?

you’re trying to make *this* guy the president?

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Sep 28, 2016 • 5:02:04am

re: #59 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

But for that, we have come to see and hear a level of open bigotry and xenophobia that we have not experienced since the 60’s.

It’s always been there — just not in plain sight. The Internet — and Trump — have emboldened bigots to be more outspoken and unapologetic about their beliefs. Meanwhile, social media and smartphones have made it a cinch for people to catch police officers in the act of shooting, abusing or otherwise hassling people of color, regardless of their age or gender. That kind of shit has been happening everywhere — it was just not as visible as it is now.

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dangerman  Sep 28, 2016 • 5:02:09am

every day when i think about the absolute lunacy of this campaign, i just go …..gah

and have to go for a run

back later

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lawhawk  Sep 28, 2016 • 5:02:39am

Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area. With sad news, I see that Shimon Peres passed away after suffering a massive stroke two weeks ago. He was one of the lions of Israel. I had the privilege of meeting him once back in 1993. Soft spoken but with the courage of his convictions, he was a 2-time prime minister, and a president of Israel. Widely respected and fought for peace and safety of Israel.

After he retired, he made this video which poked fun at himself:

He will be sorely missed.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Sep 28, 2016 • 5:06:13am

re: #60 dangerman

ok the NYT actually reports that:

“A delicate approach to the candidate is now in the works. Before his advisers can shape Mr. Trump’s performance for the next debate, on Oct. 9 in St. Louis — which, contrary to speculation, he does plan to attend, a top aide said — they need to convince him that he can do better than he did in the first one and that only a disciplined, strategic attack can damage Mrs. Clinton with voters.”

note those are two separate thoughts that a top aide says they have to take a delicate approach while trying to “convince” trump

delicate…convince him…like captain obvious?

you’re trying to make *this* guy the president?

It ain’t gonna work. If they try to tame the beast, he will still manage to go off script if HRC prods him in the right place, and if he manages to stay on script, his delivery will be wooden and unconvincing. Either way, he’ll be mincemeat.

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lawhawk  Sep 28, 2016 • 5:08:15am

Voyager got going when the going was good. I think we’re stuck with the Fox News crowd programmed to believe only what they see on Fox, and not facts or reality.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Sep 28, 2016 • 5:12:52am

re: #32 Anymouse

He will get a $200m severance package when he “retires”. Just watch.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 28, 2016 • 5:14:26am

re: #61 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

It’s always been there — just not in plain sight. The Internet — and Trump — have emboldened bigots to be more outspoken and unapologetic about their beliefs. Meanwhile, social media and smartphones have made it a cinch for people to catch police officers in the act of shooting, abusing or otherwise hassling people of color, regardless of their age or gender. That kind of shit has been happening everywhere — it was just not as visible as it is now.

Yes, it never went away, but remember Lee Atwater and his “Southern Strategy”, you cannot use certain words, you had to replace them with “dogwhistles”, but now they have abandoned the code words and are shouting things out loud.

And Trump was carried to victory based on statements that would have derailed almost any other candidate.

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Decatur Deb  Sep 28, 2016 • 5:15:53am

re: #59 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

But for that, we have come to see and hear a level of open bigotry and xenophobia that we have not experienced since the 60’s.

Yes, but “open” is the operative word. It was always under the surface, so Trump might be serving a purpose.

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Dr. Matt  Sep 28, 2016 • 5:25:23am
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HappyWarrior  Sep 28, 2016 • 5:26:13am

re: #69 Dr. Matt

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Gotta love his women’s outreach.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 28, 2016 • 5:28:09am

re: #69 Dr. Matt

“She gained a massive amount of weight, and it was a real problem. We had a real problem.”

There is a difference between taking her aside and explaining that her weight gain might detrimental to her image as Miss Universe, and following her about, calling her “Miss Piggy” or “Miss Housekeeping”.

But do not expect DT or his supporters to grasp that nuance.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 28, 2016 • 5:36:19am
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MsJ  Sep 28, 2016 • 5:41:26am

re: #18 Anymouse

Apparently, users at 4chan and 8chan are none-too-happy with Mr. Trump’s performance.

thedailybeast.com

Even there, he (the author), brings up “the sins of the husband” as something to be held against Hillary (as he discusses 2nd debate potential issues).

And finally of course there’s Monica and whatever other alleged Bill Clinton paramours or (as the right would have it) victims. That’s probably where Trump was going during the debate, when, right after that mention of Rosie O’Donnell, he said: “I was going to say something extremely rough to Hillary, to her family, and I said to myself, I can’t do it. I just can’t do it. It’s inappropriate. It’s not nice.”

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 28, 2016 • 5:44:34am

just pathetic:

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Barefoot Grin  Sep 28, 2016 • 5:48:00am

re: #74 Backwoods_Sleuth

just pathetic:

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If Goebbels had Twitter….

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jeffreyw  Sep 28, 2016 • 5:48:36am

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 28, 2016 • 5:50:50am

re: #75 Barefoot Grin

If Goebbels had Twitter….

Total War would win all the online polls

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 28, 2016 • 5:51:47am

lol:

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lawhawk  Sep 28, 2016 • 5:52:01am

re: #74 Backwoods_Sleuth

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Sep 28, 2016 • 5:54:25am

re: #71 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

There is a difference between taking her aside and explaining that her weight gain might detrimental to her image as Miss Universe, and following her about, calling her “Miss Piggy” or “Miss Housekeeping”.

But do not expect DT or his supporters to grasp that nuance.

I’ve seen photos of Alicia Machado when she was supposedly overweight, and she was not what I would call fat. She was curvy, with the curves in the right places, as they say. Maybe beauty queens have to conform to some ridiculous weight criterion, but Asshole Trump could have approached the issue in a much less demeaning way.

Anyway, to hell with him. Alicia Machado is a beautiful woman, and Trump will never be as classy as she is.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 28, 2016 • 5:55:04am

Trump is truly a throwback to the 80’s: remember when we were told that all you needed to succeed was to look and act (and dress) for success?

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HappyWarrior  Sep 28, 2016 • 5:56:06am

re: #78 Backwoods_Sleuth

lol:

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HappyWarrior  Sep 28, 2016 • 5:57:00am

re: #74 Backwoods_Sleuth

just pathetic:

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That’s good though. Means he’s likely to do the same thing at the next debate IMO since he thinks he did great on Monday.

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Decatur Deb  Sep 28, 2016 • 5:57:10am

re: #80 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

I’ve seen photos of Alicia Machado when she was supposedly overweight, and she was not what I would call fat. She was curvy, with the curves in the right places, as they say. Maybe beauty queens have to conform to some ridiculous weight criterion, but Asshole Trump could have approached the issue in a much less demeaning way.

Anyway, to hell with him. Alicia Machado is a beautiful woman, and Trump will never be as classy as she is.

GotNews, Gateway Pundit, and their ilk have her as a porn queen baby momma of a drug lord suspected of helping him in a murder. I’m not joking.

Their evidence is as solid as always, and passes the Freep Test.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Sep 28, 2016 • 5:57:37am

re: #81 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Trump is truly a throwback to the 80’s: remember when we were told that all you needed to succeed was to look and act (and dress) for success?

By that criterion, he’s failing. His suit jacket is cut too large, his monochromatic ties are too long, his orange hue is weird, and his hair is a disaster. If he’s paying hundreds or thousands for his wardrobe, he’s being ripped off bigly.

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Decatur Deb  Sep 28, 2016 • 5:58:48am

re: #85 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

By that criterion, he’s failing. His suit jacket is cut too large, his monochromatic ties are too long, his orange hue is weird, and his hair is a disaster. If he’s paying hundreds or thousands for his wardrobe, he’s being ripped off bigly.

That’s what happens when you stiff your tailor and barber.

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dangerman  Sep 28, 2016 • 5:58:56am

re: #64 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

It ain’t gonna work. If they try to tame the beast, he will still manage to go off script if HRC prods him in the right place, and if he manages to stay on script, his delivery will be wooden and unconvincing. Either way, he’ll be mincemeat.

oh i get all that

im astounded, stunned, amazed that a top aid would actually out loud frame this as an issue around the candidates delicate feefees and the need to be “persuaded” to use high school debate strategy

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HappyWarrior  Sep 28, 2016 • 5:59:50am

re: #80 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

I’ve seen photos of Alicia Machado when she was supposedly overweight, and she was not what I would call fat. She was curvy, with the curves in the right places, as they say. Maybe beauty queens have to conform to some ridiculous weight criterion, but Asshole Trump could have approached the issue in a much less demeaning way.

Anyway, to hell with him. Alicia Machado is a beautiful woman, and Trump will never be as classy as she is.

I thought she looked like Sofia Vergara a little which is a compliment since I think Sofia Vergara is a beautiful and funny woman. From what I understand, she gained the weight after Trump shamed her about her weight. She weighed around 110-120 when she was in the pageant I believe. Anyhow, it’s just another example of what an ugly man Trump really is.

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lawhawk  Sep 28, 2016 • 5:59:57am

So, this morning, Trump’s spin is that his debate performance was off because he did too many events leading up to the debate, and didn’t have enough time to prep.

What utter bullshit.

Trump decided that he could wing the debate like some high school jock who thinks he could just skate by on his looks. He had enough material for the first 15 minutes (repeating himself multiple times), but after that, he couldn’t string together anything in a coherent fashion. He made Sarah Palin look like Maya Angelou in comparison. It was ugly to behold, and his supporters didn’t give a shit. They still don’t.

That’s the real problem. When you spend all your time priming your supporters to ignore facts and logic - telling them to trust Fox news to the exclusion of all else - and rely on sites like Infowars and Prison Planet for your own news, you’ve created a following that is divorced from reality and refuses to accept commonalities. Facts are meaningless. Fact checks are even less so.

Trump lies? He isn’t lying. He’s just telling truth in a different direction. That’s the Trump spin.

It’s all he and the GOP are doing right now. It’s all spin. And they know that their supporters will buy it no matter what.

It’s up to everyone else to put their feet down and hold the line against the fact-free GOP. They must be held accountable for their actions - including the overt bigotry that Trump has unleashed in his “straight talking.” Trump’s rise in the GOP corresponds to his talk about preserving the rights for the angry white guys who think that everyone else finally having equal rights to what these white guys have had all along somehow deprives the white guy of his rights (it doesn’t), but whites have lost power - because they can no longer impose their bigotry without question. And that’s the vein that Trump’s tapped.

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dangerman  Sep 28, 2016 • 6:01:19am

re: #79 lawhawk

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Sep 28, 2016 • 6:01:54am

re: #84 Decatur Deb

GotNews, Gateway Pundit, and their ilk have her as a porn queen baby momma of a drug lord suspected of helping him in a murder. I’m not joking.

Their evidence is as solid as always, and passes the Freep Test.

Some media outlet south of the border alleged that her daughter’s father was some drug lord. Machado responded by revealing who the real father was, and he was no drug lord. I don’t think they married, or if they did, the marriage didn’t last.

Now, she is a businesswoman living in the LA area. Doing quite well for herself, it seems. So, no wonder the usual crowd of MRAs and alt righters hate her.

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dangerman  Sep 28, 2016 • 6:03:10am

re: #85 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

By that criterion, he’s failing. His suit jacket is cut too large, his monochromatic ties are too long, his orange hue is weird, and his hair is a disaster. If he’s paying being charged hundreds or thousands for his wardrobe, and he pays any of it he’s being ripped off bigly.

just helping out…

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Sep 28, 2016 • 6:07:25am

re: #92 dangerman

just helping out…

Well, yeah, there’s that, too.

Seriously, I’m curious where he gets his suits, and where they are made. I can believe he has a tailor, because he’s got that kind of money I suppose, and the tailor has probably convinced him that a jacket one or two sizes too large will conceal Trump’s weight better than a less voluminous cut. Probably charges by the yard, too.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 28, 2016 • 6:07:40am

Such a deal…$100 for 3 hours of bottomless bucket of beer:

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Dr. Matt  Sep 28, 2016 • 6:08:06am

MSNBC is reporting that Cuck Cruz may be helping Trump prepare for the next debate.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Sep 28, 2016 • 6:09:47am

re: #94 Backwoods_Sleuth

Such a deal…$100 for 3 hours of bottomless bucket of beer:

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Who the hell wrote that menu? It reads like some of the English I get from my Chinese students.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 28, 2016 • 6:10:41am

re: #96 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Who the hell wrote that menu? It reads like some of the English I get from my Chinese students.

donald only hires the best people…

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Sep 28, 2016 • 6:11:21am

re: #97 Backwoods_Sleuth

donald only hires the best people…

And then stiffs their pay

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Dr. Matt  Sep 28, 2016 • 6:11:25am

re: #94 Backwoods_Sleuth

$29 for Hillary hummus? SMH

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 28, 2016 • 6:12:57am
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Dr. Matt  Sep 28, 2016 • 6:17:22am

re: #100 Backwoods_Sleuth

Florida Group Wanting Abortion Classified as a Capital Crime Won’t Be More Specific About Penalties tinyurl.com

Translation: Creating laws for non-existing problems.

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Romantic Heretic  Sep 28, 2016 • 6:17:25am

re: #2 Eric The Fruit Bat

Very nice essay. Shared on Facebook.

Speaking of which, I should go to Facebook and see how that anarchist, excuse me, Libertarian, reacted to my questions of anarchist, excuse me, Libertarian, policy.

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dangerman  Sep 28, 2016 • 6:17:46am

re: #89 lawhawk

So, this morning, Trump’s spin is that his debate performance was off because he did too many events leading up to the debate, and didn’t have enough time to prep.

What utter bullshit.

i’d just stop there.
he had 15 months

and i dont even need to find an apt clever metaphorical comparison to “he didnt have enough time to cram”
he had 15 months

if he was any kind of public servant (see obama’s comments on peres) hed have been preparing for years like…. oh forget it

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lawhawk  Sep 28, 2016 • 6:18:12am

re: #100 Backwoods_Sleuth

Calling it a capital crime pretty much signals what you think the penalties should be.

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Jay C  Sep 28, 2016 • 6:19:12am

re: #60 dangerman

ok the NYT actually reports that:

“A delicate approach to the candidate is now in the works. Before his advisers can shape Mr. Trump’s performance for the next debate, on Oct. 9 in St. Louis — which, contrary to speculation, he does plan to attend, a top aide said — they need to convince him that he can do better than he did in the first one and that only a disciplined, strategic attack can damage Mrs. Clinton with voters.”

note those are two separate thoughts that a top aide says they have to take a delicate approach while trying to “convince” trump

delicate…convince him…like captain obvious?

you’re trying to make *this* guy the president?

One also notices that Trump’s advisors seem to have jettisoned even the notion of trying to convince voters to vote for him on any positive grounds, but that “damag[ing] Mrs Clintor with voters” is their main fallback strategy?
Classy.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 28, 2016 • 6:20:12am

Christie said Tuesday that Holt was “out of bounds.”

“He was wrong on stop-and-frisk,” the governor said.

Christie correctly noted that Mayor Michael Bloomberg appealed the ruling, and the Second Circuit Court of Appeals suspended the order, sending it back to a new judge to be tried again. But new Mayor Bill de Blasio announced he would not pursue the appeal, but would instead to institute reforms.

“Lester Holt says its unconstitutional,” Christie said. “You’re an idiot.”

The governor, a former federal prosecutor, said the 2013 ruling did not deem stop-and-frisk to be unconstitutional across the country, only that Bloomberg’s administration “applied it unconstitutionally” in New York.

“Nobody tuned in to hear what Lester Holt had to say,” Christie added. “Nobody wants Lester Holt to be a fact-checker.”

good grief.

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BeenHereAwhile  Sep 28, 2016 • 6:22:02am

re: #89 lawhawk

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Trump decided that he could wing the debate like some high school jock who thinks he could just skate by on his looks. He had enough material for the first 15 minutes (repeating himself multiple times), but after that, he couldn’t string together anything in a coherent fashion. He made Sarah Palin look like Maya Angelou in comparison. It was ugly to behold, and his supporters didn’t give a shit. They still don’t.

Overheard thru an open door:

A Trump supporter in the office was discussing the debate with another Trump supporter relating what they liked that Trump said.

Then one of them said, “you know what bothered me, he kept saying the same thing, over and over.”

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dangerman  Sep 28, 2016 • 6:24:14am

re: #106 Backwoods_Sleuth

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good grief.

giuiliani tried this the day before

“applied unconstitutionally” is different from “unconstitutional” in grammatical parsing only

holt said this: ” “Stop and frisk” was ruled unconstitutional in New York because it largely singled out black and Hispanic young men.”

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lawhawk  Sep 28, 2016 • 6:26:00am

re: #108 dangerman

And that’s 100% accurate, because that’s how Judge Schneidlin ruled. The City dropped its appeal and decided to institute reforms rather than continue attempts at overturning the original judge’s ruling.

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Dr. Matt  Sep 28, 2016 • 6:26:43am

Stein supporter?

cbsnews.com

“To me, it was embarrassing to watch that these are our two candidates,” Kaepernick said Tuesday. “Both are proven liars and it almost seems like they’re trying to debate who’s less racist. And at this point, talking with one of my friends, it was, you have to pick the lesser of two evils, but in the end, it’s still evil.”

Kaepernick also responded to a statement Trump made during an August radio interview in which he said Kaepernick’s anthem protest wasn’t “a good thing” and that the athlete might want to find a country that works better for him.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 28, 2016 • 6:27:27am
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Romantic Heretic  Sep 28, 2016 • 6:28:04am

re: #27 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I don’t know: I am big into the Civil War, fascinated by the history, but I do not own any weapons, nor have I fired a weapon more than a half dozen times in my life, nor would I particularly want to do so again.

But I gather that this fellow was more into the mythology of the Civil War and Nazism than the actual history.

Same here, although my centre of interest is WWII, especially the Germans who tended to be much better at warfare than the Allies.

I’m also a member of Canada’s Social Democratic party, the NDP. Not even for a re-enactment could you get me into a Waffen SS uniform.

But that’s because my interest is the actual history. History is for learning. Mythology is not history. Mythology is for supporting ideologies no matter how evil.

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lawhawk  Sep 28, 2016 • 6:28:19am

Trump will tout his online clickbait polls as proof; real pollsters and statisticians and analysts will continue using actual data instead.

Trump will claim these polls are meaningless and wrong, asserting that the online polls that are self selecting and easily manipulated (vote as many times as you wish) are the ones that his supporters should believe instead.

It’s a further un-mooring from reality.

Since that tweet was posted, it looks like the YouGov figure was wrong - they got the math wrong in their own press release. YouGov found Clinton won 34-18 - which is a 16 point difference. And CNN actually has Clinton up 35, not 25.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 28, 2016 • 6:31:48am
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Dr Lizardo  Sep 28, 2016 • 6:32:45am

re: #113 lawhawk

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Trump will tout his online clickbait polls as proof; real pollsters and statisticians and analysts will continue using actual data instead.

Trump will claim these polls are meaningless and wrong, asserting that the online polls that are self selecting and easily manipulated (vote as many times as you wish) are the ones that his supporters should believe instead.

It’s a further un-mooring from reality.

At this point, it’s not unfair to state that vast swathes of the GOP are living simply in an alternate reality.

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Belafon  Sep 28, 2016 • 6:34:24am
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Belafon  Sep 28, 2016 • 6:35:49am

re: #110 Dr. Matt

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I’m going to attribute it to being young. At the same time, he’s at least in tune enough to know that you have to make a choice between the top two.

Edit: I suspect he doesn’t know a lot about Clinton.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 28, 2016 • 6:37:24am

re: #116 Belafon

Trump complaining that someone is being inappropriate and not nice to him. This is a thing that happened. In real life.

Was sumebody bugging him about his weight and calling him “Tub o’ lard”?

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Dr. Matt  Sep 28, 2016 • 6:39:11am

re: #117 Belafon

I’m going to attribute it to being young. At the same time, he’s at least in tune enough to know that you have to make a choice between the top two.

Claiming “you have to pick the lesser of two evils, but in the end, it’s still evil” is obtuse, embarrassing, and ignorant. He sounds exactly like susan sarandon et al. Fuck him. Good luck with this protest.

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Dr Lizardo  Sep 28, 2016 • 6:40:04am

re: #118 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Was sumebody bugging him about his weight and calling him “Tub o’ lard”?

“Fatty-fat-fat-fat”.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Sep 28, 2016 • 6:40:10am

re: #114 Backwoods_Sleuth

I have this suspicion that little Donnie Trump had ADD or ADHD, which prompted his parents to send him to that military school. He never learned how to cope with his disorder, as a result. It would explain his restlessness and inability to focus on anything he’s not interested in.

Or he could be snorting coke. Just asking questions here.

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Belafon  Sep 28, 2016 • 6:40:43am

re: #119 Dr. Matt

Claiming “you have to pick the lesser of two evils, but in the end, it’s still evil” is obtuse, embarrassing, and ignorant. He sounds exactly like susan sarandon et al. Fuck him. Good luck with this protest.

The difference is, lots of people sound like that when they’re young. Sarandon should have grown out of it.

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Timothy Watson  Sep 28, 2016 • 6:41:41am

re: #121 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Just asking questions here.

It would be irresponsible not to.

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Decatur Deb  Sep 28, 2016 • 6:51:58am

re: #122 Belafon

The difference is, lots of people sound like that when they’re young. Sarandon should have grown out of it.

If there were an election between Abraham Lincoln and Adolf Hitler, the choice would be for the lesser of two evils.

Infantile bullshit is getting old.

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Sir John Barron  Sep 28, 2016 • 6:55:22am

re: #116 Belafon

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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 28, 2016 • 6:56:41am

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Belafon  Sep 28, 2016 • 7:00:10am

re: #126 The Vicious Babushka

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Belafon  Sep 28, 2016 • 7:02:03am

I can’t copy the gif, but John Cole put up what I think it is a pretty good image of the debate.

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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 28, 2016 • 7:02:33am
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lawhawk  Sep 28, 2016 • 7:03:12am

re: #126 The Vicious Babushka

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Dr. Matt  Sep 28, 2016 • 7:03:58am

And on cue, here comes the smearing of the messenger:

Miss Universe ‘fat-shamed’ by Donald Trump was accused of threatening to kill a judge and being an accomplice to a MURDER bid in her native Venezuela

Read more: dailymail.co.uk

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 28, 2016 • 7:06:56am
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Sir John Barron  Sep 28, 2016 • 7:12:18am

re: #131 Dr. Matt

And on cue, here comes the smearing of the messenger:

Yes, being accused is the same thing as being charged, tried and convicted, which is why she’s in jail right now.

/

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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 28, 2016 • 7:15:24am

From that Juan Cole article that Eric shared upthread:

Side note: How did we determine that the Generation X ended in 1980? Were the doctors and nurses standing around on the morning of January 1st, 1981 saying, “Well that’s a wrap. The next baby born in this country is part of a new generation. Look at this baby right here! See? Totally different! This stupid baby clearly has the attention span of a hamster! We shall call this baby a Millennial and spend the rest of our lives prosecuting this arbitrary concept for the crime of living in the world we made for it.”

Having had 9 children, 5 of whom are Gen-X and 4 Millennials, I can testify that these are indeed two distinct and different generations. The Gen-X’ers all remember clearly “where they were” when they heard about the Challenger Space Shuttle and the Reagan assassination attempt. For the Millennials it is 9/11. My Gen-X kids have fond memories of the “old house” but the Millennials only remember the house we have lived in since 1988. Stuff like that.

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN  Sep 28, 2016 • 7:15:25am

Two thoughts for now:

If Trump wants to tout online polls perhaps he should hope for an online Electoral College

I always shake my head when Trump complains about somebody “viciously” attacking him, like when he complains about Rosie O’Donnell. Vicious, seriously?

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Sep 28, 2016 • 7:16:30am

re: #133 Sir John Barron

Yes, being accused is the same thing as being charged, tried and convicted, which is why she’s in jail right now.

/

You know, I checked her Wikipedia entry just a couple of days ago, and the current version is different. Now there is no mention of her daughter’s father or the allegation Machado had had an affair with a drug lord. Checking to see when the changes were made. …

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Belafon  Sep 28, 2016 • 7:21:32am

re: #134 The Vicious Babushka

And when the Berlin wall fell. We stopped having conversations about what we would do if the missiles were launched after that day.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 28, 2016 • 7:25:46am
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Dr. Matt  Sep 28, 2016 • 7:27:17am

re: #133 Sir John Barron

Yes, being accused is the same thing as being charged, tried and convicted, which is why she’s in jail right now.

/

Isn’t trump accused of raping a 13 year old girl?

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 28, 2016 • 7:28:55am

re: #134 The Vicious Babushka

From that Juan Cole article that Eric shared upthread:

Having had 9 children, 5 of whom are Gen-X and 4 Millennials, I can testify that these are indeed two distinct and different generations. The Gen-X’ers all remember clearly “where they were” when they heard about the Challenger Space Shuttle and the Reagan assassination attempt. For the Millennials it is 9/11. My Gen-X kids have fond memories of the “old house” but the Millennials only remember the house we have lived in since 1988. Stuff like that.

And the Millennials do not know of a work that was not totally wired and connected and viral and Youtubed and Facebooked…

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LastYearsMan  Sep 28, 2016 • 7:29:10am

re: #137 Belafon

It’s amazing, if you go back to the newspapers of the 1980s (particularly the tabloids), seeing the endless headlines featuring variations on the term “Reds”. Days after day: “Reds Threaten in Asia”, “Reds Boycott UN”, that sort of thing. Remember there was a psychological condition when people were so preoccupied by the fear of nuclear war that they couldn’t function

And then it all disappeared. Just gone. In months, or maybe even weeks. And a whole new set of worries and neuroses rose up to take the place of communism (well, for most of us).

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 28, 2016 • 7:30:14am

re: #137 Belafon

And when the Berlin wall fell. We stopped having conversations about what we would do if the missiles were launched after that day.

That is probably the main reason I decided to stay in Germany: this was before the age of Instant Internet News, and I wanted to be there in person to see how things turned out.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Sep 28, 2016 • 7:32:05am

re: #136 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

You know, I checked her Wikipedia entry just a couple of days ago, and the current version is different. Now there is no mention of her daughter’s father or the allegation Machado had had an affair with a drug lord. Checking to see when the changes were made. …

There were a bazillion edits done to the Machado page earlier today (UTC), with editors going back and forth about adding or deleting stuff about her being a person of interest in a murder trial, and the allegations about her affair with drug lord. Higher powers locked the entry until further notice, and the disputed information has been relegated to the talk page. Among the editors, there is still ample disagreement as to what constitutes reliable sources and whether Machado is a public figure.

So, shorthand version: don’t use the Wikipedia article as a reference beyond the usual straightforward biographical stuff.

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Sir John Barron  Sep 28, 2016 • 7:34:33am

re: #139 Dr. Matt

Isn’t trump accused of raping a 13 year old girl?

That’s different. //

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Decatur Deb  Sep 28, 2016 • 7:41:21am

re: #137 Belafon

And when the Berlin wall fell. We stopped having conversations about what we would do if the missiles were launched after that day.

My earliest datable memory is the celebration of the first anniversary of V-J Day. It included adult-child description of the atom bomb.

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN  Sep 28, 2016 • 7:42:51am

re: #136 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

I would never check a Wikipedia page for a person because (and I may certainly be misinformed) I heard that the pages can be edited to put in content that isn’t reliable. I remember one of the ways people who were trying to guess who a running mate was going to be would check for changes to wikipedia pages, because the campaigns would try to tweak the content for the would be running mate.

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Patricia Kayden  Sep 28, 2016 • 7:44:52am

re: #84 Decatur Deb

GotNews, Gateway Pundit, and their ilk have her as a porn queen baby momma of a drug lord suspected of helping him in a murder. I’m not joking.

Their evidence is as solid as always, and passes the Freep Test.

That’s hilarious because we could say something derogatory about Melania’s sordid past if we want to get nasty.

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Timothy Watson  Sep 28, 2016 • 7:45:36am

re: #145 Decatur Deb

My earliest datable memory is the celebration of the first anniversary of V-J Day. It included adult-child description of the atom bomb.

I vaguely remember news coverage of the World Trade Center bombing. I have memories of video from the Persian Gulf War but I am not sure if I actually remember it happening or it’s video I saw a couple years after the fact.

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Sir John Barron  Sep 28, 2016 • 7:45:41am

re: #84 Decatur Deb

GotNews, Gateway Pundit, and their ilk have her as a porn queen baby momma of a drug lord suspected of helping him in a murder. I’m not joking.

Their evidence is as solid as always, and passes the Freep Test.

Here’s my surprised face.

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Sir John Barron  Sep 28, 2016 • 7:46:45am

re: #147 Patricia Kayden

That’s hilarious because we could say something sordid about Melania’s past if we want to get nasty.

Is Melania still alive and accounted for?

At first Trump was all like Here’s My Beautiful Wife, Just Amazing, and then her convention speech and then….

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Belafon  Sep 28, 2016 • 7:48:50am

re: #84 Decatur Deb

GotNews, Gateway Pundit, and their ilk have her as a porn queen baby momma of a drug lord suspected of helping him in a murder. I’m not joking.

Their evidence is as solid as always, and passes the Freep Test.

They should probably be very, very afraid of her if any that is even partially true.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 28, 2016 • 7:49:21am

re: #150 Sir John Barron

Is Melania still alive and accounted for?

At first Trump was all like Here’s My Beautiful Wife, Just Amazing, and then her convention speech and then….

She was at the debate.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Sep 28, 2016 • 7:49:59am

re: #146 SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN

I would never check a Wikipedia page for a person because (and I may certainly be misinformed) I heard that the pages can be edited to put in content that isn’t reliable. I remember one of the ways people who were trying to guess who a running mate was going to be would check for changes to wikipedia pages, because the campaigns would try to tweak the content for the would be running mate.

They are fairly reliable for people who are no longer living, but the bios of living people (or anything else, for that matter) can be changed by anyone with a Wiki account and a modicum of text mark-up skills. Wikipedia entries can change at a moment’s notice, sometimes for the better, sometimes not. Judging their reliability requires you check the citations for supporting evidence. If there is no evidence for a claim, or if the wording seems biased, someone has borked the entry for a political reason — or for the lulz.

The policing of such behavior is hit or miss. And a particular editor can be either very permissive or overly strict. I’ve dealt with Wiki editors, though, and they are not much worse than professional editors. So, YMMV.

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Patricia Kayden  Sep 28, 2016 • 7:51:45am

re: #135 SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN

Two thoughts for now:

If Trump wants to tout online polls perhaps he should hope for an online Electoral College

I always shake my head when Trump complains about somebody “viciously” attacking him, like when he complains about Rosie O’Donnell. Vicious, seriously?

Any criticism of Trump is “vicious” to Trump and needs to be revenged. The Editor for Vanity Fair, Graydon Carter, wrote about how decades later, Trump has never gotten over his joke in Spy magazine that Trump is a “short fingered vulgarian”. Decades later Trump still periodically sends photos of himself to Carter in which his hands are circled, accompanied by notes about how his fingers aren’t short.

Bizarre!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 28, 2016 • 7:51:52am

hahahahaaaa

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Sir John Barron  Sep 28, 2016 • 7:52:09am

re: #152 Backwoods_Sleuth

She was at the debate.

I know, just being somewhat ornery.

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Decatur Deb  Sep 28, 2016 • 7:52:34am

re: #151 Belafon

They should probably be very, very afraid of her if any that is even partially true.

There is little danger that they will ever publish the truth.

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Sir John Barron  Sep 28, 2016 • 7:52:35am

re: #155 Backwoods_Sleuth

hahahahaaaa

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Fox News has “editorial standards”?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 28, 2016 • 7:52:55am

re: #156 Sir John Barron

I know, just being somewhat ornery.

Personally, I couldn’t decide if it was really her or just a cardboard cutout.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Sep 28, 2016 • 7:53:21am

re: #152 Backwoods_Sleuth

She was at the debate.

scowling.

Every photo of her has the same look, I swear. Does she ever smile?

Though, considering who she married and who her stepkids are, who can blame her?

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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 28, 2016 • 7:53:28am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 28, 2016 • 7:53:37am

re: #145 Decatur Deb

My earliest datable memory is the celebration of the first anniversary of V-J Day. It included adult-child description of the atom bomb.

I remember being upset about the JFK funeral. Not because he was dead, but because it was on all the channels and I could not watch Rocky and Bullwinkle. I still recall riding my tricycle around in angry circles in the basement.

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Decatur Deb  Sep 28, 2016 • 7:54:37am

re: #158 Sir John Barron

Fox News has “editorial standards”?

They have standard editorials.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 28, 2016 • 7:55:00am

re: #140 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

And the Millennials do not know of a work that was not totally wired and connected and viral and Youtubed and Facebooked…

I was born in 1981, putting me right on the borderline between Gen X and Millennial. I suppose I probably lean a little more Gen X because I definitely remember the non connected world of VHF/UHF televisions, rotary dial phones, encylopedias, card catalogues at Libraries, paper maps, audio and video cassettes and so forth. I was 15 when I used the internet for the first time.

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Timothy Watson  Sep 28, 2016 • 7:55:31am

re: #162 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I remember being upset about the JFK funeral. Not because he was dead, but because it was on all the channels and I could not watch Rocky and Bullwinkle. I still recall riding my tricycle around in angry circles in the basement.

Goddamn O.J. Simpson trial messed up my after school cartoon watching for months!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 28, 2016 • 7:56:37am
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Sir John Barron  Sep 28, 2016 • 7:57:22am

re: #166 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Censorship! We’re leaving Twitter! Right now, we really are!!!

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Belafon  Sep 28, 2016 • 7:57:38am

re: #165 Timothy Watson

Goddamn O.J. Simpson trial messed up my after school cartoon watching for months!

20 years later, my 16 year old taped miniseries so he could watch it when it got home from school.

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Stanley Sea  Sep 28, 2016 • 7:59:14am

re: #152 Backwoods_Sleuth

She was at the debate.

With a frozen smile. Sad.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Sep 28, 2016 • 8:00:21am

re: #162 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I remember being upset about the JFK funeral. Not because he was dead, but because it was on all the channels and I could not watch Rocky and Bullwinkle. I still recall riding my tricycle around in angry circles in the basement.

We were sent home early from school. I was in the first grade at the time. I remember how solemn my parents were watching the TV news, and I knew shooting the president was a bad thing. But I probably missed my favorite TV shows anyway.

Though, I would usually watch the evening TV news with my dad, even though most of it went over my head. When the news went off, I got to pick the next channel.

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Stanley Sea  Sep 28, 2016 • 8:00:22am

WHERE’S THE TEBOW HELMET
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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 28, 2016 • 8:01:13am

re: #165 Timothy Watson

Goddamn O.J. Simpson trial messed up my after school cartoon watching for months!

Heh, I remember watching the verdict in my Grade 8 classroom. The school was brand new and every classroom was equipped with a cable connected 24 inch CRT TV. We thought we were so high tech lol.

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Tigger2  Sep 28, 2016 • 8:01:34am

re: #165 Timothy Watson

Goddamn O.J. Simpson trial messed up my after school cartoon watching for months!

Dang youngster I was on a union committee negotiating a contract for 3 weeks during the OJ trial. But it did make for good watching when we would take a break.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 28, 2016 • 8:02:19am

this guy is not joking when he says this:

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Sep 28, 2016 • 8:02:41am

re: #171 Stanley Sea

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WHERE’S THE TEBOW HELMET

It’s like antiquarians looking for artifacts of the Medicis.

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Decatur Deb  Sep 28, 2016 • 8:02:42am

re: #164 Eclectic Cyborg

I was born in 1981, putting me right on the borderline between Gen X and Millennial. I suppose I probably lean a little more Gen X because I definitely remember the non connected world of VHF/UHF televisions, rotary dial phones, encylopedias, card catalogues at Libraries, paper maps, audio and video cassettes and so forth. I was 15 when I used the internet for the first time.

I was 6 before I saw a TV that was not in a bar or a furniture store window. That one was a coin-operated B&W that got the Dumont Television Network.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Sep 28, 2016 • 8:03:42am

re: #174 Backwoods_Sleuth

Wrong on so many levels, it’s hard to begin refuting it.

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Decatur Deb  Sep 28, 2016 • 8:04:29am

re: #175 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

It’s like antiquarians looking for artifacts of the Medicis.

If the Medicis were tasteless short-fingered vulgarians.

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Sir John Barron  Sep 28, 2016 • 8:05:00am

re: #174 Backwoods_Sleuth

this guy is not joking when he says this:

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The goalposts have been take out of the stadium and have been dumped in the river.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 28, 2016 • 8:05:30am

Still nothing from donald who loves Israel so much…

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Sir John Barron  Sep 28, 2016 • 8:06:05am

re: #174 Backwoods_Sleuth

this guy is not joking when he says this:

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There’s this gif where a panda bear goes into an office and smashed a dude’s keyboard and throws his computer off his desk.

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Sir John Barron  Sep 28, 2016 • 8:07:08am

re: #180 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Still nothing from donald who loves Israel so much…

Donald doesn’t know who Shimon Peres is.

C’mon. /

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Sep 28, 2016 • 8:08:05am

re: #164 Eclectic Cyborg

I was born in 1981, putting me right on the borderline between Gen X and Millennial. I suppose I probably lean a little more Gen X because I definitely remember the non connected world of VHF/UHF televisions, rotary dial phones, encylopedias, card catalogues at Libraries, paper maps, audio and video cassettes and so forth. I was 15 when I used the internet for the first time.

Which brings to mind those annoying “Click if you know what this is” posts on Facebook, as if someone who knows the relationship between a Bic pen and a cassette tape is somehow superior to someone who never had to use a cassette tape machine. You’re not superior. You’re just older.

I’m 60, and people my age or older who post such nonsense really irk me.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Sep 28, 2016 • 8:08:50am

So this is showing up on FB and I have no interest in googling it to see that it probably came from Stormfront.

In defense of Donald Trump : Try to keep this in mind, Donald Trump did not steal your money. Donald Trump did not raise your taxes. Donald Trump did not quadruple the price of food. Trump is not stirring a race war. Trump did not leave any US soldiers in Benghazi to be slaughtered and desecrated by Muslims. Trump did not send the US Navy to fight for Syrian Al-Qaeda. Trump did not arm ISIS and systematically exterminate Christians throughout the Middle East. Trump did not betray Israel. Trump did not provide financing and technology to Iran’s nuclear weapons program. Trump did not give our military secrets to China. Trump did not remove our nuclear missile shield in Poland at the behest of Russia. Trump did not shrivel our military, and betray our veterans. Trump did not cripple our economy. Trump did not increase our debt to 20 trillion dollars. Trump did not ruin our credit, twice. Trump did not double African American unemployment. Trump did not increase welfare to a record level for eight years. Trump did not sign a law making it legal to execute, and imprison Americans. Trump did not set free all of terrorists in Guantanamo bay. Trump did not steal your rights, violate US Constitutional law, or commit treason, hundreds of times. Yet Trump is being ripped apart in the news, non stop. Barrack Hussein Obama, Hillary Clinton and the criminals occupying our government, are not. The media is the Democratic Party. Save our culture. Stop listening to them..!! Please copy and Paste

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Sir John Barron  Sep 28, 2016 • 8:09:05am

re: #174 Backwoods_Sleuth

this guy is not joking when he says this:

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Bill Mitchell and HaHA Goodman are the same person, right? Have to be.

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Belafon  Sep 28, 2016 • 8:09:23am

re: #183 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Which brings to mind those annoying “Click if you know what this is” posts on Facebook, as if someone who knows the relationship between a Bic pen and a cassette tape is somehow superior to someone who never had to use a cassette tape machine. You’re not superior. You’re just older.

I’m 60, and people my age or older who post such nonsense really irk me.

I’m glad my kids don’t have to have conversations about what they’d do if nuclear missiles were launched, and I’m glad I don’t know what an iron lung feels like.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Sep 28, 2016 • 8:09:53am

re: #178 Decatur Deb

If the Medicis were tasteless short-fingered vulgarians.

They had much better interior decorating tastes, I’d say. Trump’s interior decor is like tinpot dictator nouveau riche gauche, with added gilt and frou-frou.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 28, 2016 • 8:09:57am

re: #182 Sir John Barron

Donald doesn’t know who Shimon Peres is.

C’mon. /

He probably thinks it’s the Jewish version of “Simon Says”

/

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Sir John Barron  Sep 28, 2016 • 8:10:17am

re: #184 GlutenFreeJesus

some very classy FB material.

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Belafon  Sep 28, 2016 • 8:10:43am

re: #184 GlutenFreeJesus

Gotta love Gish Galloping in text form.

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Decatur Deb  Sep 28, 2016 • 8:11:09am

re: #182 Sir John Barron

Donald doesn’t know who Shimon Peres is.

C’mon. /

Peres? Obviously a Mexican.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Sep 28, 2016 • 8:11:39am

re: #181 Sir John Barron

There’s this gif where a panda bear goes into an office and smashed a dude’s keyboard and throws his computer off his desk.

Well, if you visit the panda preserves in China, you never see any keyboards or computers anywhere near the pandas. The Chinese know better. So, there ya go! Proof!

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Belafon  Sep 28, 2016 • 8:12:37am

re: #174 Backwoods_Sleuth

this guy is not joking when he says this:

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Taken to it’s logical conclusion, none of us should ever pay taxes because we pay taxes every time we buy something because our money pays for people who would pay taxes.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Sep 28, 2016 • 8:12:43am

re: #186 Belafon

I’m glad my kids don’t have to have conversations about what they’d do if nuclear missiles were launched, and I’m glad I don’t know what an iron lung feels like.

I’m glad mine lived past childhood. If they’d been born 100 years earlier, they might not have made it.

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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 28, 2016 • 8:13:52am

re: #184 GlutenFreeJesus

So this is showing up on FB and I have no interest in googling it to see that it probably came from Stormfront.

In defense of Donald Trump : Try to keep this in mind, Donald Trump did not steal your money.

I stopped reading after that.

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Sir John Barron  Sep 28, 2016 • 8:14:20am

re: #193 Belafon

Taken to it’s logical conclusion, none of us should ever pay taxes because we pay taxes every time we buy something because our money pays for people who would pay taxes.

Bill Mitchell: I can work with this. This is great stuff..

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 28, 2016 • 8:16:48am

WASHINGTON (AP) — Secretary of State John Kerry is threatening to cut off all contacts with Moscow over Syria, unless Russian and Syrian government attacks on Aleppo end.

The State Department says Kerry issued the ultimatum in a Wednesday telephone call to Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov.

Kerry’s spokesman, John Kirby, says Kerry expressed grave concern over Russian and Syrian government attacks on hospitals, water supplies and other civilian infrastructure in Aleppo.

He says Kerry told Lavrov that the U.S. holds Russia responsible for the use of incendiary and bunker-buster bombs in an urban area.

Kerry told Lavrov the U.S. was preparing to “suspend U.S.-Russia bilateral engagement on Syria,” including on a proposed counterterrorism partnership, “unless Russia takes immediate steps to end the assault on Aleppo” and restore a cease-fire.

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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 28, 2016 • 8:17:47am

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Sir John Barron  Sep 28, 2016 • 8:17:52am

re: #197 Backwoods_Sleuth

Kerry’s been a very busy SoS.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Sep 28, 2016 • 8:18:54am

re: #198 The Vicious Babushka

Very cool.

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Franklin  Sep 28, 2016 • 8:22:08am

re: #195 The Vicious Babushka

I stopped reading after that.

It’s true, he never stole anyones money. He just never paid them for services rendered.

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Timothy Watson  Sep 28, 2016 • 8:22:12am

re: #180 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Still nothing from donald who loves Israel so much…

I would not be surprised if Trump actually attacked Peres.

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN  Sep 28, 2016 • 8:22:21am

re: #193 Belafon

I make the argument once in a while that reducing the top marginal tax rates provided the incentive to squeeze every penny out of a business and started the decline of the middle class. In my little rubber factory, the long term employees made little more in 1995 than they did in 1982. We saved every record we ever created so you could actually look up stuff very easily. In the company’s salad days (the 80s), the owners were writing themselves distribution checks every other week. I took over in 1995, but by then many of our customers had either moved to other products that we didn’t participate in or disappeared. But I did some back of the envelope math and it was clear that if they doubled the wages back then they would still have made more money than they could have spent.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Sep 28, 2016 • 8:22:41am

re: #195 The Vicious Babushka

I stopped reading after “in defense of Donald”.

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Tigger2  Sep 28, 2016 • 8:23:39am
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Dr Lizardo  Sep 28, 2016 • 8:24:24am

re: #205 Tigger2

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The FSB is a bunch of busy little bees, aren’t they?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 28, 2016 • 8:27:21am
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SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN  Sep 28, 2016 • 8:29:16am

re: #207 Backwoods_Sleuth

Can’t have those prisoners reading those sonnets and getting all horny and stuff.

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Dr. Matt  Sep 28, 2016 • 8:29:27am

Conservatives bitch when poor people “don’t pay taxes”, but cheer when rich people don’t.

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lawhawk  Sep 28, 2016 • 8:30:14am

re: #209 Dr. Matt

Society. How does it work?

Taxes are for the poor people.

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Sir John Barron  Sep 28, 2016 • 8:31:36am

re: #209 Dr. Matt

Conservatives bitch when poor people “don’t pay taxes”, but cheer when rich people don’t.

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I hope Hillary pounds on this some more.

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Dr. Matt  Sep 28, 2016 • 8:32:02am

POLITICO/Morning Consult poll: Clinton handily beat Trump at debate

Hillary Clinton won Monday’s showdown with Donald Trump at Hofstra University, according the results of a POLITICO/Morning Consult poll released Wednesday.
Nearly half of the likely voters surveyed declared Clinton the victor in Monday’s presidential debate, the first of three in the run-up to November. Forty-nine percent said the former secretary of state bested her opponent, while 26 percent gave the edge to Trump. An additional 26 percent said they either didn’t know who won or had no opinion.

But, Trump won the Drudge poll!!

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Dr. Matt  Sep 28, 2016 • 8:36:04am

re: #211 Sir John Barron

I hope Hillary pounds on this some more.

VP Biden was pounding Trump about this yesterday. Good stuff.

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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 28, 2016 • 8:36:34am

re: #201 Franklin

It’s true, he never stole anyones money. He just never paid them for services rendered.

I would consider the money scammed for Trump University as “stolen”

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LastYearsMan  Sep 28, 2016 • 8:39:38am

As a long-time fan of Dilbert, why does Scott Adams insist on growing stranger and stranger? I mean, he was odd 3-4 months ago, but in the last week he’s gone into a whole new level of bizarre.

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Franklin  Sep 28, 2016 • 8:39:48am

re: #214 The Vicious Babushka

I would consider the money scammed for Trump University as “stolen”

I retract my previous comment!

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jaunte  Sep 28, 2016 • 8:40:27am
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jaunte  Sep 28, 2016 • 8:41:26am

Jul 8, 2016
NATO agrees to reinforce eastern Poland, Baltic states against Russia

NATO leaders agreed on Friday to deploy military forces to the Baltic states and eastern Poland for the first time and increase air and sea patrols to reassure allies who were once part of the Soviet bloc following Russia’s seizure of Crimea from Ukraine.

The 28-nation Western defense alliance decided to move four battalions totaling 3,000 to 4,000 troops into northeastern Europe on a rotating basis to display its readiness to defend eastern members against any Russian aggression.

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Belafon  Sep 28, 2016 • 8:42:53am

re: #217 jaunte

re: #218 jaunte

And yet the Republicans at my defense contractor job will continue to vote for Trump because Clinton is a threat.

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makeitstop  Sep 28, 2016 • 8:43:20am

re: #165 Timothy Watson

Goddamn O.J. Simpson trial messed up my after school cartoon watching for months!

While I was in LA over the weekend, my host took me out for a ride around LA. He pointed out North Rockingham, where OJ Simpson’s house once stood (since demolished).

He said we weren’t going on the ‘Death Tour,’ but later also pointed out the spot where River Phoenix died.

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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 28, 2016 • 8:44:16am

Baby Whiplash’s timeline is just full of sunshine & lollipops
Ben Shapiro retweeted

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Sherlock Hound  Sep 28, 2016 • 8:47:32am

re: #183 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Which brings to mind those annoying “Click if you know what this is” posts on Facebook, as if someone who knows the relationship between a Bic pen and a cassette tape is somehow superior to someone who never had to use a cassette tape machine. You’re not superior. You’re just older.

I’m 60, and people my age or older who post such nonsense really irk me.

I’m 53 and I hate that shit too. I’ll talk about old school for days, but not condescendingly.

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sagehen  Sep 28, 2016 • 8:48:36am

re: #50 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Have we heard anything but pathetic and contrived excuses for his performance from the Trump camp and his supporters?

The closest I’ve seen is… “well, the person who did really poorly in the first debate in 2012 ended up coming back and winning the election, so maybe it’s okay to do poorly in the first debate.”

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A wild WITHAK appeared!  Sep 28, 2016 • 8:49:46am

re: #215 LastYearsMan

As a long-time fan of Dilbert, why does Scott Adams insist on growing stranger and stranger? I mean, he was odd 3-4 months ago, but in the last week he’s gone into a whole new level of bizarre.

He took the Red Pill. He’s into the same “power of persuasion” bullshit that the smarter-than-you MRAs/”pickup artists” think passes for intellectual discourse.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Sep 28, 2016 • 8:49:58am

re: #78 Backwoods_Sleuth

He used to have commercials for Ruth’s Chris on his radio show. Probably still does. lol

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Bubblehead II  Sep 28, 2016 • 8:50:10am

Here’s your Wednesday morning chuckle.

Trooper trips up Trump-transporting carpool lane cheater

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Sep 28, 2016 • 8:50:10am

re: #111 Backwoods_Sleuth

That’s a massive step up!

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LastYearsMan  Sep 28, 2016 • 8:51:00am

re: #222 Sherlock Hound

I hate the ones that say “Only people with a 197 IQ will get this test perfect”, and then it is crazy easy.

Oh, who am I kidding. It’s all crap.
- “You’ll Never Guess what…”
- “So-and-so DESTROYED someone else…”

I do my damnedest not to click on any of them. (And fail, of course, but at least I make the attempt).

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Dr. Matt  Sep 28, 2016 • 8:52:51am

Instagram

Who let the dogs out? 68 canine competitors showed out for the annual Surf City Surf Dog contest. @bonosurfdog flew all the way from Brazil and took first place in the Shredders Division. [Credit: David McNew/Getty Images]

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LastYearsMan  Sep 28, 2016 • 8:53:56am

re: #224 A wild WITHAK appeared!

Yes, but at least his comic is still pretty sharp. Most newspapers comics can’t maintain quality more than 2-3 years. And you’d almost never tell from his strip that he’s a raging looney/asshole. A lot of solid comics become annoying as hell once they start eating Crazy Flakes and become true believers.

So kudos to Adams for creating funny work, despite being an utter douche.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Sep 28, 2016 • 8:54:58am

re: #134 The Vicious Babushka

I belong to a subset of millennials who remember where they were for 9/11, but did not see the events live and uncut. My middle school homeroom teacher thought we were too delicate to see the events on TV. I wouldn’t see that footage until 2010.

I do remember Katrina incredibly clearly, so that event had more of an effect.

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A wild WITHAK appeared!  Sep 28, 2016 • 8:56:02am

re: #230 LastYearsMan

Yes, but at least his comic is still pretty sharp. Most newspapers comics can’t maintain quality more than 2-3 years. And you’d almost never tell from his strip that he’s a raging looney/asshole. A lot of solid comics become annoying as hell once they start eating Crazy Flakes and become true believers.

So kudos to Adams for creating funny work, despite being an utter douche.

To each his own; for me, it stopped being funny years ago, and I’m definitely in the target demographic.

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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 28, 2016 • 8:56:12am

Baby Whiplash is having an utter meltdown

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EPR-radar  Sep 28, 2016 • 8:56:13am

re: #215 LastYearsMan

As a long-time fan of Dilbert, why does Scott Adams insist on growing stranger and stranger? I mean, he was odd 3-4 months ago, but in the last week he’s gone into a whole new level of bizarre.

Scott Adams has been an MRA-type raging douchebag for years.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 28, 2016 • 8:56:31am

Apparently I’m a bully because I won’t accept the idea, put forth by my idiot brother, that if Trump wins, it’s all Hillary’s fault, not voters in swing states who vote for third parties, even if they think Trump is a far worse choice.

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makeitstop  Sep 28, 2016 • 8:56:58am

re: #184 GlutenFreeJesus

So this is showing up on FB and I have no interest in googling it to see that it probably came from Stormfront.

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Yeah, someone copy-pasta’d it on a thread that i was participating in.

I told her that there was so much bullshit packed into one paragraph, it was useless to even attempt to unpack it.

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Sir John Barron  Sep 28, 2016 • 8:57:02am

re: #215 LastYearsMan

As a long-time fan of Dilbert, why does Scott Adams insist on growing stranger and stranger? I mean, he was odd 3-4 months ago, but in the last week he’s gone into a whole new level of bizarre.

Me, too, very disappointed. I’ve gotten those desktop calendars of his for several years. May pass this time.

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Mike Lamb  Sep 28, 2016 • 8:57:32am

re: #174 Backwoods_Sleuth

this guy is not joking when he says this:

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Don’t you get it? Because Trump had the graciousness to hire these people, the least they can do his pay his taxes for him!

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Sir John Barron  Sep 28, 2016 • 8:57:42am

re: #236 makeitstop

Yeah, someone copy-pasta’d it on a thread that i was participating in.

I told her that there was so much bullshit packed into one paragraph, it was useless to even attempt to unpack it.

That’s really the only response possible.

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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 28, 2016 • 8:57:43am
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Sir John Barron  Sep 28, 2016 • 8:58:18am

re: #241 The Vicious Babushka

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Is Ben Shapiro on crack?

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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 28, 2016 • 8:58:34am

What’s the difference between what FLOTUS said and what Trump said? Li’l Whips can’t figure it out.

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LastYearsMan  Sep 28, 2016 • 8:59:00am

re: #237 Sir John Barron

I totally sympathize. Although for me, I try to put the art before the artist. There are just way too many artists I love who were utter shitbags when they were alive.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 28, 2016 • 9:00:04am

re: #243 The Vicious Babushka

What’s the difference between what FLOTUS said and what Trump said? Li’l Whips can’t figure it out.

Well, he’s not very smart.

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Sir John Barron  Sep 28, 2016 • 9:00:30am

re: #217 jaunte

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Does Trump know what NATO stands for? As in, what the acronym means?

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Dr Lizardo  Sep 28, 2016 • 9:00:54am

re: #230 LastYearsMan

Yes, but at least his comic is still pretty sharp. Most newspapers comics can’t maintain quality more than 2-3 years. And you’d almost never tell from his strip that he’s a raging looney/asshole. A lot of solid comics become annoying as hell once they start eating Crazy Flakes and become true believers.

So kudos to Adams for creating funny work, despite being an utter douche.

It’s like James Woods. Total wingnut, but a solid actor. I recently re-watched the HBO film Too Big To Fail, where he played Dick Fuld, CEO of Lehman Brothers, and he was damned good. At the opposite end, Sean Penn; his politics are to the left of mine, but he’s still a hell of a good actor.

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LastYearsMan  Sep 28, 2016 • 9:01:02am

re: #243 The Vicious Babushka

The one tiny concession I’ll grant Trump is when he said: “Some people eat a lot when they’re under pressure. I do too.” Or something similar.

He’s a fetid heap of dead vermin. But once in a while, there’s a bit of nuance there.

Kind of. Sort of.

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Mike Lamb  Sep 28, 2016 • 9:01:08am

re: #211 Sir John Barron

I hope Hillary pounds on this some more.

The core of GOP economics:

Poor people will do more if they are given less; while rich people will do less if they are not given more.

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Timothy Watson  Sep 28, 2016 • 9:01:58am

re: #233 The Vicious Babushka

Not disqualifying: Deleting 33,000 emails and invading countries for no reason.

Whiplash is against the Iraq War now?

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Sir John Barron  Sep 28, 2016 • 9:02:27am

re: #250 Timothy Watson

Whiplash is against the Iraq War now?

it’s the wingnut in-thing to be.

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EPR-radar  Sep 28, 2016 • 9:02:28am

re: #249 Mike Lamb

The core of GOP economics:

Poor people will do more if they are given less; while rich people will do less if they are not given more.

That’s a good way of summing it up.

The GOP also believes that rich people are good and poor people are bad.

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Timothy Watson  Sep 28, 2016 • 9:02:45am

re: #242 Sir John Barron

Is Ben Shapiro on crack?

He got Trump’s extra yayo.

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jaunte  Sep 28, 2016 • 9:02:54am

re: #250 Timothy Watson

Whiplash is against the Iraq War now?

Now they were all against it.

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Belafon  Sep 28, 2016 • 9:02:59am

re: #243 The Vicious Babushka

What’s the difference between what FLOTUS said and what Trump said? Li’l Whips can’t figure it out.

Ben only speaks Bully, so he doesn’t see anything wrong with what Trump said.

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Sir John Barron  Sep 28, 2016 • 9:03:10am

re: #250 Timothy Watson

Whiplash is against the Iraq War now?

The Iraq War was started by Democrats. A Democratic President. 9/11 also occurred during a Democratic Administration.

/

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FormerDirtDart  Sep 28, 2016 • 9:03:55am
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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 28, 2016 • 9:03:57am

Donald Trump is a bunch of human-flesh-eating crabs in a skin suit that was left to rot in the hot sun.

(I did not make that up, somebody on Twitter said it but I can’t find that Tweet now)

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 28, 2016 • 9:04:13am

re: #223 sagehen

The closest I’ve seen is… “well, the person who did really poorly in the first debate in 2012 ended up coming back and winning the election, so maybe it’s okay to do poorly in the first debate.”

I see, comparing him to Obama…

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Dr. Matt  Sep 28, 2016 • 9:04:27am

re: #246 Sir John Barron

Does Trump know what NATO stands for? As in, what the acronym means?

No Action, Talk Only!

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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 28, 2016 • 9:04:35am

re: #255 Belafon

Ben only speaks Bully, so he doesn’t see anything wrong with what Trump said.

Li’l Whipsies thinks a world where you can’t insult fatsos is a world not worth living in.

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jaunte  Sep 28, 2016 • 9:04:38am

re: #246 Sir John Barron

Does Trump know what NATO stands for? As in, what the acronym means?

Trump just found out NATO was helping us in Afghanistan. Now he’s all about NATO.

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Sir John Barron  Sep 28, 2016 • 9:05:08am

re: #257 FormerDirtDart

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What’s the big deal here, it’s not like anyone from Breitbart has any influence with any of the campa…..

oh wait

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 28, 2016 • 9:05:47am

re: #215 LastYearsMan

As a long-time fan of Dilbert, why does Scott Adams insist on growing stranger and stranger? I mean, he was odd 3-4 months ago, but in the last week he’s gone into a whole new level of bizarre.

He was even starting to go there with his comic strip but then backed off. Thank god, I still enjoy it.

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lawhawk  Sep 28, 2016 • 9:06:05am

re: #258 The Vicious Babushka

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Bubblehead II  Sep 28, 2016 • 9:07:14am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 28, 2016 • 9:07:54am

re: #241 The Vicious Babushka

Michelle Obama: Don’t be obese.
Hillary: I love you.
Trump: Stop eating, fatty!
Hillary: STOP FAT-SHAMIN

If he cannot see the difference between a FLOTUS advising people to eat healthy and a boss picking on one of his employees in an insulting, demeaning manner, then well, he must be Baby Ben on another rampage!

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Sir John Barron  Sep 28, 2016 • 9:08:02am

re: #244 LastYearsMan

I totally sympathize. Although for me, I try to put the art before the artist. There are just way too many artists I love who were utter shitbags when they were alive.

I’m usually that way, too. I still like Clint Eastwood, particularly as a director. Lots of other actors, announcers, sports people, etc probably have opinions I don’t like. No big deal.

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jaunte  Sep 28, 2016 • 9:08:18am

That thing he bragged about not mentioning?

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Sep 28, 2016 • 9:08:41am
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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 28, 2016 • 9:10:32am

re: #250 Timothy Watson

Whiplash is against the Iraq War now?

Yeah, funny about that.

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Timothy Watson  Sep 28, 2016 • 9:10:39am

re: #271 Eric The Fruit Bat

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I hope his insurance is paid up, he might meet his deductible in a single go.

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Dr. Matt  Sep 28, 2016 • 9:11:02am

re: #270 jaunte

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That thing he bragged about not mentioning?

Was it courage or a sacrifice? Both?

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A wild WITHAK appeared!  Sep 28, 2016 • 9:11:09am

re: #268 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

If he cannot see the difference between a FLOTUS advising people to eat healthy and a boss picking on one of his employees in an insulting manner, then well, he must be Baby Ben on another rampage!

Not only that, but the employee gained a “massive” amount of weight, yet still looked great in a workout outfit. She probably went from being unhealthily underweight — something that Michelle’s program on nutrition would almost certainly advise against — to being a more normal weight.

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ObserverArt  Sep 28, 2016 • 9:11:11am

re: #106 Backwoods_Sleuth

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good grief.

Is New Jersey gonna boot Chris Christie as more comes out about him knowing about the bridge lane closures and the fact that it was set up to get back at the mayor that wouldn’t kiss his fat ass?

I want him to be Chris Crispy. He needs to be impeached to ruin his public image. I doubt it would shut his big mouth up, but it sure might prevent people ever putting him in a public office again.

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A wild WITHAK appeared!  Sep 28, 2016 • 9:11:47am

re: #271 Eric The Fruit Bat

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How narrowly are we defining slap/punch here? Hmm…

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Mike Lamb  Sep 28, 2016 • 9:11:52am

re: #270 jaunte

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That thing he bragged about not mentioning?

Trump did the same thing directly after the debate. I’m still a little confused as to how Bill cheating on her reflects poorly on her.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 28, 2016 • 9:11:57am

re: #271 Eric The Fruit Bat

There’s gotta be a catch…

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LastYearsMan  Sep 28, 2016 • 9:12:12am

re: #258 The Vicious Babushka

Wait, has LGF not seen Chuck Tingle’s Trump site? It is the most glorious thing I’ve seen in ages. That’s Tingle, as in the author of the “Pounded in the Butt” series (and Hugo-nominated “Space Raptor Butt Invasion”).

Now he’s created Trump Debate Facts, featuring the best, and most accurate fact check ever. For example:

“I have never been to The Void and tasted the flesh of others who were trapped there.”

FALSE

Donald Trump has spent many years in The Void during his failed attempt at bringing luxury hotel living to this horrific cosmic abyss.

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Timothy Watson  Sep 28, 2016 • 9:12:50am

Couldn’t help myself:

(Took my awhile to realize what a disaster the Iraq War was, but I was only 15 when it started.)

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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 28, 2016 • 9:12:59am

re: #266 lawhawk

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jaunte  Sep 28, 2016 • 9:13:05am

re: #278 Mike Lamb

“I could have called her a short, fat cuck, but I had the courage not to do it.”

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 28, 2016 • 9:13:07am

re: #265 Ziggy_TARDIS

Trump should have been aborted.

stop it.

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lawhawk  Sep 28, 2016 • 9:13:12am

re: #271 Eric The Fruit Bat

Can I bequeath my punch to someone? You know, like Manny Pacquiao or Floyd Mayweather?

Because that would be awesome.

Or perhaps a MMA guy.

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FormerDirtDart  Sep 28, 2016 • 9:14:30am

from the same hearing, but not necessarily the same Congressman…
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Belafon  Sep 28, 2016 • 9:15:03am

re: #264 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

He was even starting to go there with his comic strip but then backed off. Thank god, I still enjoy it.

I used to read Dilbert regularly, but I’ve moved onto mainly xkcd.

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Mike Lamb  Sep 28, 2016 • 9:15:33am

re: #283 jaunte

“I could have called her a short, fat cuck, but I had the courage not to do it.”

Deserving of a medal of honor, that one…

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Alephnaught  Sep 28, 2016 • 9:15:33am
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b.d.  Sep 28, 2016 • 9:16:26am

re: #281 Timothy Watson

Couldn’t help myself:

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(Took my awhile to realize what a disaster the Iraq War was, but I was only 15 when it started.)

Ben has always been against the Iraq war! Ask Sean Hannity!!

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KingKenrod  Sep 28, 2016 • 9:16:30am

New Reuters/Ipsos poll shows Clinton +6 head to head and +4 four-way.

This is up 6 points from the previous week in both polls. But the new poll cut-off date was pre-debate, so this doesn’t really factor in a debate bounce if Clinton gets one.

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Mike Lamb  Sep 28, 2016 • 9:16:59am

re: #285 lawhawk

Can I bequeath my punch to someone? You know, like Manny Pacquiao or Floyd Mayweather?

Because that would be awesome.

Or perhaps a MMA guy.

Still have to go with Tyson.

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Tigger2  Sep 28, 2016 • 9:17:03am

re: #270 jaunte

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That thing he bragged about not mentioning?

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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 28, 2016 • 9:17:14am

Looking at @ChuckTingle timeline now. This is the most insanely hilarious Twitter account ever.

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Lidane  Sep 28, 2016 • 9:18:51am

re: #286 FormerDirtDart

What the actual fuck does a college honor code have to do with anything? Is he expecting Wellesley or Yale to suddenly revoke her degrees?

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A wild WITHAK appeared!  Sep 28, 2016 • 9:19:30am

“y u do dis”

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nines09  Sep 28, 2016 • 9:19:44am

re: #285 lawhawk

Can I bequeath my punch to someone? You know, like Manny Pacquiao or Floyd Mayweather?

Because that would be awesome.

Or perhaps a MMA guy.

Holding a roll of quarters.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Sep 28, 2016 • 9:22:02am

re: #291 KingKenrod

It appears that late last week, a significant number of people pulled their head out of their ass.

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lawhawk  Sep 28, 2016 • 9:22:15am

re: #295 Lidane

What the actual fuck does a college honor code have to do with anything? Is he expecting Wellesley or Yale to suddenly revoke her degrees?

And here we are, trying to figure out how Trump’s spun away from the awful debate outcome, and that he didn’t prepare, failed to understand basics about the government and economy, let alone national defense, and we’re talking about whether Clinton violated the honor code in college?

Seriously?

WTF is wrong with the nation.

Trump could barely wipe the drool off his chin with an awful showing at the debate. He made Palin look like Maya Angelou. And that’s saying something. He was that bad.

This is his latest deflecting tactic. Now everyone is chasing after this nonsense, while Trump gets to avoid further scrutiny.

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Alephnaught  Sep 28, 2016 • 9:22:42am

re: #270 jaunte

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That thing he bragged about not mentioning?

And in bragging about it, he mentioned it. That’s truly Orwellian language from Trump Jnr. The point is Trump did mention it afterwards, under the guise of not mentioning it earlier. That’s the exact opposite of courage

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Sep 28, 2016 • 9:22:45am

re: #296 A wild WITHAK appeared!

They are lucky that is not a cat.

Because the cat would plot murder in revenge.

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN  Sep 28, 2016 • 9:23:46am

re: #276 ObserverArt

His public image is shot anyway and he isn’t really governing NJ anymore. I think they’ll just wait for his term to end and he’ll go quietly into the night.

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN  Sep 28, 2016 • 9:24:24am

re: #296 A wild WITHAK appeared!

That lobster is wearing a really good dog costume!

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Lidane  Sep 28, 2016 • 9:24:30am

“ZOMG LIBRUL MEDIA BIAS!”

Oh.

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ObserverArt  Sep 28, 2016 • 9:24:32am

re: #155 Backwoods_Sleuth

hahahahaaaa

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Whoa…Fox has editorial standards? Who knew?

I’d love to see that document. I bet it is chock full of laughs.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 28, 2016 • 9:25:56am

re: #304 Lidane

Fox News Tells Hosts to Stop Citing Unscientific Polls Showing Trump Won Debate

If Fox viewers want to believe the outcomes of online polls that reflect and confirm their bias, then they should be allowed to. That is what modern journalism is all about

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FormerDirtDart  Sep 28, 2016 • 9:26:44am
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jaunte  Sep 28, 2016 • 9:27:11am

re: #304 Lidane

Fox News vs. Reality

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Sir John Barron  Sep 28, 2016 • 9:28:24am

re: #307 FormerDirtDart

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OK but what Trump meant to say was

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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 28, 2016 • 9:28:50am

re: #297 nines09

Holding a roll of quarters.

Brass knuckles perhaps?

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Stanley Sea  Sep 28, 2016 • 9:28:53am

re: #307 FormerDirtDart

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All his campaign does is try to restrain him.

That is it.

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Dr. Matt  Sep 28, 2016 • 9:29:39am

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 28, 2016 • 9:30:07am

Senate just voted to override POTUS’s 9/11 veto.

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nines09  Sep 28, 2016 • 9:32:11am

re: #310 Eclectic Cyborg

Lots of big rings with diamonds in them. Like Super Bowl winners wear.

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Dr. Matt  Sep 28, 2016 • 9:32:20am

re: #313 Backwoods_Sleuth

Senate just voted to override POTUS’s 9/11 veto.

File this under: “The Law of Unintended Consequences”. It’s only a matter of time when foreign countries and citizens will attempt to start suing the American government.

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plansbandc  Sep 28, 2016 • 9:32:40am

So FB is filled with OMG Savage has been censored. Apparently he got pulled off the air today. Anyone know anything about it?

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FormerDirtDart  Sep 28, 2016 • 9:32:45am

re: #313 Backwoods_Sleuth

Senate just voted to override POTUS’s 9/11 veto.

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Sir John Barron  Sep 28, 2016 • 9:33:49am

re: #315 Dr. Matt

File this under: “The Law of Unintended Consequences”. It’s only a matter of time when foreign countries and citizens will attempt to start suing the American government.

When Paul Ryan becomes president…

“Hey, guys, this law we passed x years ago? It’s terrible. It’s gotta go. Get on that will ya? Thanks a bunch.”

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Sir John Barron  Sep 28, 2016 • 9:34:13am

re: #318 Sir John Barron

When Paul Ryan becomes president…

“Hey, guys, this law we passed x years ago? It’s terrible. It’s gotta go. Get on that will ya? Thanks a bunch.”

“We can blame Obama for signing it. Hillary, too.”

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Timothy Watson  Sep 28, 2016 • 9:34:33am

re: #315 Dr. Matt

File this under: “The Law of Unintended Consequences”. It’s only a matter of time when foreign countries and citizens will attempt to start suing the American government.

Don’t we still owe Nicaragua money for mining their harbors?

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Lidane  Sep 28, 2016 • 9:34:37am

re: #317 FormerDirtDart

Harry Reid will end up being the only smart person in the room after Iraqis suddenly start suing the United States for the invasion of their country.

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Sir John Barron  Sep 28, 2016 • 9:34:45am

re: #317 FormerDirtDart

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Harry Reid, retiring, has no f0cks to give.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Sep 28, 2016 • 9:35:09am

re: #315 Dr. Matt

True, but at the same time, Saudi has some responsibility for 9/11 that they refuse to own up to, and they never did compensatory payouts.

Which, in the case of 9/11, would have been something like $20 Billion+, at minimum.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 28, 2016 • 9:35:23am

House to vote on the veto override later today.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 28, 2016 • 9:37:34am

re: #323 Ziggy_TARDIS

True, but at the same time, Saudi has some responsibility for 9/11 that they refuse to own up to, and they never did compensatory payouts.

Which, in the case of 9/11, would have been something like $20 Billion+, at minimum.

We invaded the wrong country after 9/11…

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ObserverArt  Sep 28, 2016 • 9:37:38am

re: #233 The Vicious Babushka

Baby Whiplash is having an utter meltdown

Ben Shapiro ✔ @benshapiro
Disqualifying: Fat jokes.
Not disqualifying: Deleting 33,000 emails and invading countries for no reason.


11:53 AM - 28 Sep 2016

So Benny really hated the W Bush administration then, bigleague!

Right?

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Sep 28, 2016 • 9:40:10am

re: #325 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

We could not have invaded Saudi after 9/11, namely for reasons of image in the Muslim World.

On the other hand, we might have been able to induce Turkey, Jordan, and Egypt to do a repeat of the Ottoman-Saudi War, with American Naval and Air Support.

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Dr. Matt  Sep 28, 2016 • 9:40:17am

re: #323 Ziggy_TARDIS

True, but at the same time, Saudi has some responsibility for 9/11 that they refuse to own up to, and they never did compensatory payouts.

Which, in the case of 9/11, would have been something like $20 Billion+, at minimum.

And then we can promptly hand over that $20 billion to the 10s of thousands of Iraqi families that lost family members, treasure, and livelihood thanks to dubyah’s invasion.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 28, 2016 • 9:41:16am

gonna be one of those days here, I see…

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN  Sep 28, 2016 • 9:41:29am

I think I delete about 150 emails a day without even looking at them.

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ObserverArt  Sep 28, 2016 • 9:42:58am

Has this been covered yet today? I was looking for info on this weekends Malaysian Grand Prix and saw the reports coming out.

Wonder what Donny will say about all this…

WaPo - Dutch probe: Missile brought from Russia downed Malaysia Airlines plane over Ukraine

KIEV, Ukraine — A Dutch-led investigation team said Wednesday that the surface-to-air missile that downed a passenger jet over eastern Ukraine in 2014, killing all 298 people aboard, came from Russia and was fired from territory held by pro-Moscow separatists.

Investigators stopped short of directly accusing Russia of complicity in the attack on the Malaysia Airlines jet, and declined to name any suspects publicly. Both Russia and the rebels in Ukraine deny any role in the July 2014 attack on Flight 17, which was traveling from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur.

- - CUT - -

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BeachDem  Sep 28, 2016 • 9:45:04am

re: #131 Dr. Matt

And on cue, here comes the smearing of the messenger:

But the question is, “Was she fat while all these things were happening?” //

Because he didn’t call her a baby-momma or anything that has to do with any of those allegations.

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Timothy Watson  Sep 28, 2016 • 9:47:58am

re: #333 BeachDem

But the question is, “Was she fat while all these things were happening?” //

Because he didn’t call her a baby-momma or anything that has to do with any of those allegations.

Given his obsession with people Whiplash thinks are fat, has he segued into attacking Lena Dunham yet?

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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 28, 2016 • 9:48:15am

So, CNN blames Hillary for being a “poor winner”

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Sep 28, 2016 • 9:49:40am

re: #328 Dr. Matt

Yeah, this law was poorly thought out.

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Feline Fearless Leader  Sep 28, 2016 • 9:49:53am

A stop in a little oasis on the way to work after a morning doctor’s appointment. Hit the spot after fasting for 16 hours to prep for blood work.

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Timothy Watson  Sep 28, 2016 • 9:50:04am

re: #335 The Vicious Babushka

So, CNN blames Hillary for being a “poor winner”

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I like how last week the debate was a must-win for Clinton. After she left the stage with Trump’s balls the media started spinning it as “debates don’t matter, everyone has already made up their minds.”

Now this shit?

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ObserverArt  Sep 28, 2016 • 9:50:12am

re: #295 Lidane

What the actual fuck does a college honor code have to do with anything? Is he expecting Wellesley or Yale to suddenly revoke her degrees?

And she left dishes in the sink and didn’t make her bed one day while in college.

Disqualified for high office!

(By the way, Mr. Congressman has really bad Trump hair)

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jaunte  Sep 28, 2016 • 9:50:41am

re: #335 The Vicious Babushka

“It’s been called gloating in some of our copy, at least in the appearance of the celebration.”

Nice when you can report on what your writers said, and call it news.

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Targetpractice  Sep 28, 2016 • 9:50:49am

re: #335 The Vicious Babushka

So, CNN blames Hillary for being a “poor winner”

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Because Donald Trump is the very model of a good sportsman, right?

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Sir John Barron  Sep 28, 2016 • 9:50:58am

re: #335 The Vicious Babushka

So, CNN blames Hillary for being a “poor winner”

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HILLARYS SPIKING THE FOOTBALL!!!!!

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lawhawk  Sep 28, 2016 • 9:51:00am

re: #335 The Vicious Babushka

Is that anything like Trump touting online polls claiming he won?

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Belafon  Sep 28, 2016 • 9:51:02am

re: #335 The Vicious Babushka

So, CNN blames Hillary for being a “poor winner”

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“Why has she refused to quit the race for beating up a poor defenseless small fingered man who was clearly at a disadvantage?”

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Sir John Barron  Sep 28, 2016 • 9:51:27am

re: #343 lawhawk

Is that anything like Trump touting online polls claiming he won?

No that’s completely different.

///

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jaunte  Sep 28, 2016 • 9:51:30am

“PEOPLE ARE SAYING. MANY PEOPLE.”

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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 28, 2016 • 9:51:40am
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Sir John Barron  Sep 28, 2016 • 9:52:00am

re: #341 Targetpractice

Because Donald Trump is the very model of a good sportsman, right?

The best. The very best. Believe me.

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Sir John Barron  Sep 28, 2016 • 9:52:41am

re: #347 The Vicious Babushka

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True. If he had mentioned them Hillary would have slew him.

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b.d.  Sep 28, 2016 • 9:52:52am

re: #335 The Vicious Babushka

So, CNN blames Hillary for being a “poor winner”

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LOL, Trump has been gloating about winning even though he got his rump kicked.

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jaunte  Sep 28, 2016 • 9:53:05am

re: #342 Sir John Barron

HILLARYS SPIKING THE FOOTBALL!!!!!

She’s not being a properly modest woman, pointing out that she won, and making the man who lost feel diminished.

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Sir John Barron  Sep 28, 2016 • 9:53:10am

re: #334 Timothy Watson

Given his obsession with people Whiplash thinks are fat, has he segued into attacking Lena Dunham yet?

any minute now

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ObserverArt  Sep 28, 2016 • 9:54:02am

re: #302 SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN

His public image is shot anyway and he isn’t really governing NJ anymore. I think they’ll just wait for his term to end and he’ll go quietly into the night.

That is the problem. Christie will never be quite unless all media stays away from him due to the political stench attached to him by impeachment. He will always blame anything negative as his political enemies being against him because he was so tough on them.

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Skip Intro  Sep 28, 2016 • 9:55:02am

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jaunte  Sep 28, 2016 • 9:56:11am

re: #354 Skip Intro

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Dr. Matt  Sep 28, 2016 • 9:58:53am

What’s next, asking the FBI to investigate whether Hillary removed the labels from her mattress?

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Belafon  Sep 28, 2016 • 9:59:16am

re: #349 Sir John Barron

True. If he had mentioned them Hillary would have slew him.

/

“Yes, my husband cheated. We’ve dealt with it. What Trump is trying to do, though is blame the wife for the infidelity of her husband. Imagine being able to transfer the blame from the cheating husband to the wife. Why would anyone want to do that?”

Leave the answer hanging.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 28, 2016 • 9:59:58am

re: #356 Dr. Matt

What’s next, asking the FBI to investigate whether Hillary removed the labels from her mattress?

This is in keeping with a GOP favorite pastime: ANYTHING NEGATIVE ABOUT OBAMA/HILLARY, no matter how spurious or contrived. is welcome news

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 28, 2016 • 10:00:49am

re: #357 Belafon

“Yes, my husband cheated. We’ve dealt with it. What Trump is trying to do, though is blame the wife for the infidelity of her husband. Imagine being able to transfer the blame from the cheating husband to the wife. Why would anyone want to do that?”

Leave the answer hanging.

Hillary should thank him at the next debate for not bringing up Bill and his infidelities.

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ObserverArt  Sep 28, 2016 • 10:01:13am

re: #335 The Vicious Babushka

So, CNN blames Hillary for being a “poor winner”

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And it was only less than two weeks ago CNN was crying about how Trump treated the press at the Birther announcement and the outrage of the announcement itself. And their own poll showed Hillary trounced Donny in the debate, but they still wanna horse race.

Don’t look, but it really is self abuse…

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lawhawk  Sep 28, 2016 • 10:02:06am

re: #355 jaunte

I dream the impossible dream - that Trump will lose by double digits and cause such a massive loss in Congress that the GOP will face no choice but a long-delayed reckoning about its inherent bigotry, close ties to Fox, and other right wing echo chamber outlets that put their feels/opinions ahead of the facts.

I dream big - that Trump reveals he’s a fat-nothingburger when it comes to his wealth, and that he’s so highly leveraged and so cash poor that he has to sell assets to cover his tax bill.

I dream big that Trump’s trademark empire falls apart under close scrutiny because he’s built a house of cards that can’t stand inspection.

I dream big that his kids are so toxic that no politician will ever go near him, or them. Ever.

But those dreams wont happen because there’s roughly 40% of Americans who support Trump no matter what he says or does - even if he shot and killed someone on 5th Ave.

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Skip Intro  Sep 28, 2016 • 10:02:46am

The Baltimore Gazette is a bogus “news” site.
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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 28, 2016 • 10:02:55am

But Trump’s surrogates were all over it==>

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 28, 2016 • 10:05:01am

re: #362 Skip Intro

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The Baltimore Gazette is a bogus “news” site.

And Bill Mitchell is a loon.

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Belafon  Sep 28, 2016 • 10:05:22am

re: #362 Skip Intro

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The Baltimore Gazette is a bogus “news” site.

The candidates were given the topics over a week ago. One person studied. Studying and getting a high grade doesn’t mean you were given the questions.

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I Would Prefer Not To  Sep 28, 2016 • 10:06:31am

re: #365 Belafon

The candidates were given the topics over a week ago. One person studied. Studying and getting a high grade doesn’t mean you were given the questions.

Hillary is the student who cheats by studying instead of going to parties.

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ObserverArt  Sep 28, 2016 • 10:07:02am

re: #343 lawhawk

Is that anything like Trump touting online polls claiming he won?

Can you imagine what he would have acted like if he did really well in the debate and Hillary tanked?

The New York trophy shops couldn’t have made enough big-ass gold cups with “Donald Trump No. 1 in Debate No. 1” engraved in it…big league.

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KingKenrod  Sep 28, 2016 • 10:07:28am

A quick look through Bill Mitchell’s timeline suggests he’s a world class moron.

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Timothy Watson  Sep 28, 2016 • 10:08:39am

re: #355 jaunte

Trump expanding his campaign pledge to EVERYTHING: “We have 41 days to make possible every dream you’ve ever dreamed.”

He has plans to start cloning Amy Acker?

I’ll shut up now.

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Belafon  Sep 28, 2016 • 10:08:41am

re: #366 I Would Prefer Not To

Hillary is the student who cheats by studying instead of going to parties.

She and Obama refused to do the secret frat party handshakes that are supposed to get you into the presidential club.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 28, 2016 • 10:08:50am

donald’s “debate prep” reminds me of how Romney’s team prepped him by having him memorize zingers instead of actual facts.

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Interesting Times  Sep 28, 2016 • 10:09:38am

In case anyone is helping with voter registration drives…

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I Would Prefer Not To  Sep 28, 2016 • 10:10:35am

re: #371 Backwoods_Sleuth

donald’s “debate prep” reminds me of how Romney’s team prepped him by having him memorize zingers instead of actual facts.

They also assumed that Obama would have no comebacks. Obama did and Romney lost. Live by the zinger, die by the zinger.

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Timothy Watson  Sep 28, 2016 • 10:10:58am

re: #371 Backwoods_Sleuth

donald’s “debate prep” reminds me of how Romney’s team prepped him by having him memorize zingers instead of actual facts.

And, God willing, he won’t have a concession speech ready on election night because he’s been looking at too many online polls, just like Romney and his poll truthers.

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I Would Prefer Not To  Sep 28, 2016 • 10:11:33am

re: #374 Timothy Watson

And, God willing, he won’t have a concession speech ready on election night because he’s been looking at too many online polls, just like Romney and his poll truthers.

If Romney got more votes he would have one.

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Timothy Watson  Sep 28, 2016 • 10:12:13am

re: #372 Interesting Times

In case anyone is helping with voter registration drives…

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What’s the difference between “no deadline” (ND) and November 8th (NH)?

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Stanley Sea  Sep 28, 2016 • 10:12:53am
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lizardofid  Sep 28, 2016 • 10:13:28am

re: #366 I Would Prefer Not To

Hillary is the student who cheats by studying instead of going to parties.

There’s always one like her that screws up the curve!

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Franklin  Sep 28, 2016 • 10:14:39am

Not linking to SMOTI, but the evidence that Alicia Machado is a “porn star” (nothing wrong with it if she is anyways) is a video on a porn site that shows still shots of a playboy shoot? I mean, wtf?!?

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 28, 2016 • 10:15:21am

re: #379 Franklin

Not linking to SMOTI, but the evidence that Alicia Machado is a “porn star” (nothing wrong with it if she is anyways) is an video on a porn site that shows still shots of a playboy shoot? I mean, wtf?!?

And she won a number of on-line porn polls as well!!!

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jaunte  Sep 28, 2016 • 10:16:16am
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ObserverArt  Sep 28, 2016 • 10:17:08am

re: #379 Franklin

Not linking to SMOTI, but the evidence that Alicia Machado is a “porn star” (nothing wrong with it if she is anyways) is an video on a porn site that shows still shots of a playboy shoot? I mean, wtf?!?

And they bitch and whine Hillary went low to bring up the treatment Alicia Machado received in 1996. So to get back they go even lower.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 28, 2016 • 10:17:31am
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jaunte  Sep 28, 2016 • 10:18:21am

Rosie O’Donnell:

“He annoys me on a multitude of levels. He’s the moral authority? Left the first wife, had an affair. Left the second wife, had an affair. Had kids both times, but he’s the moral compass for 20-year-olds in America.”

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dangerman  Sep 28, 2016 • 10:19:10am

re: #375 I Would Prefer Not To

If Romney got more votes he would have one.

same for sanders

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Skip Intro  Sep 28, 2016 • 10:19:11am

re: #374 Timothy Watson

And, God willing, he won’t have a concession speech ready on election night because he’s been looking at too many online polls, just like Romney and his poll truthers.

Trump will never concede.

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dangerman  Sep 28, 2016 • 10:20:57am

re: #379 Franklin

Not linking to SMOTI, but the evidence that Alicia Machado is a “porn star” (nothing wrong with it if she is anyways) is a video on a porn site that shows still shots of a playboy shoot? I mean, wtf?!?

hey, trump was in playboy too!

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BeachDem  Sep 28, 2016 • 10:21:08am

re: #262 jaunte

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Trump just found out NATO was helping us in Afghanistan. Now he’s all about NATO.

You just call out my name and you know wherever I am…

Carole King - You’ve Got a Friend

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Timothy Watson  Sep 28, 2016 • 10:21:16am

re: #379 Franklin

Not linking to SMOTI, but the evidence that Alicia Machado is a “porn star” (nothing wrong with it if she is anyways) is a video on a porn site that shows still shots of a playboy shoot? I mean, wtf?!?

Carrie Prejean was unavailable for comment.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 28, 2016 • 10:21:52am
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Sir John Barron  Sep 28, 2016 • 10:22:09am

re: #384 jaunte

Rosie O’Donnell:

Rosie Odonnell lesbian argle bargle AAHSHSJ;lssdkspmsds;asdmsdlmsdlsdkl!!1111111!

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Timothy Watson  Sep 28, 2016 • 10:22:40am

re: #381 jaunte

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A real campaign would have a whole pivot ready if they lost a debate (e.g., huge scandal for the other candidate, a major endorsement, etc.) but it looks like Trump’s campaign takes two whole days for that.

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gocart mozart  Sep 28, 2016 • 10:24:44am

re: #165 Timothy Watson

I remember being upset about the JFK funeral. Not because he was dead, but because it was on all the channels and I could not watch Rocky and Bullwinkle. I still recall riding my tricycle around in angry circles in the basement.

I was pissed off that the damn Watergate hearings kept pre-empting the Flintstones and Jetsons.

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Sir John Barron  Sep 28, 2016 • 10:25:18am

re: #390 Backwoods_Sleuth

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no they don’t think. why should they? never accountable.

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Sir John Barron  Sep 28, 2016 • 10:26:00am

re: #392 Timothy Watson

A real campaign would have a whole pivot ready if they lost a debate (e.g., huge scandal for the other candidate, a major endorsement, etc.) but it looks like Trump’s campaign takes two whole days for that.

And Romney, whatever else might be said about him, did have a real campaign. And still lost.

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dangerman  Sep 28, 2016 • 10:26:08am

i am serious

at least five times a day, maybe more, i step back and look at headlines, quotes, tactics, strategy, and i cannot believe we are doing this

that this is really happening
that this idiocy has to be defended, addressed, countered, replied to, given the barest of legitimacy

that 40% of the country buys this shit

that a senator and secretary of state is not light years ahead of a zero political experience, demonstrable congenital fire hose of a liar

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BeachDem  Sep 28, 2016 • 10:27:01am

re: #300 Alephnaught

And in bragging about it, he mentioned it. That’s truly Orwellian language from Trump Jnr. The point is Trump did mention it afterwards, under the guise of not mentioning it earlier. That’s the exact opposite of courage

Don’t think of an elephant…

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dangerman  Sep 28, 2016 • 10:27:41am

re: #392 Timothy Watson

A real campaign would have a whole pivot ready if they lost a debate (e.g., huge scandal for the other candidate, a major endorsement, etc.) but it looks like Trump’s campaign takes two whole days for that.

cmon

prep to lose but not prep to win?

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Decatur Deb  Sep 28, 2016 • 10:28:01am

re: #396 dangerman

i am serious

at least five times a day, maybe more, i step back and look at headlines, quotes, tactics, strategy, and i cannot believe we are doing this

that this is really happening
that this idiocy has to be defended, addressed, countered, replied to, given the barest of legitimacy

that 40% of the country buys this shit

that a senator and secretary of state is not light years ahead of a zero political experience, demonstrable congenital fire hose of a liar

Those of the Klannish Persuasion know this is their last chance.

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Belafon  Sep 28, 2016 • 10:28:20am

re: #396 dangerman

i am serious

at least five times a day, maybe more, i step back and look at headlines, quotes, tactics, strategy, and i cannot believe we are doing this

that this is really happening
that this idiocy has to be defended, addressed, countered, replied to, given the barest of legitimacy

that 40% of the country buys this shit

that a senator and secretary of state is not light years ahead of a zero political experience, demonstrable congenital fire hose of a liar

We’ll just have to keep covering psychiatric care.

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Sir John Barron  Sep 28, 2016 • 10:29:28am

the problem now is, the media will be prepped to proclaim the inevitable TRUMP COMEBACK DEBATE 2, if Trump manages not to pee on the rug.

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Timothy Watson  Sep 28, 2016 • 10:30:47am

re: #398 dangerman

cmon

prep to lose but not prep to win?

You prep for everything.

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lawhawk  Sep 28, 2016 • 10:31:45am

re: #382 ObserverArt

Clinton went low by identifying how Trump acts towards women? It’s indisputable that he was a creep towards Machado. That’s not on Clinton or Machado, but Trump. So, Trump twits decide to attack Clinton for citing Trump verbatim (a recurring theme).

Trump hates that Clinton’s using attack ads against him - that are basically video/audio clips of him talking and saying all kinds of awful things about women.

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goddamnedfrank  Sep 28, 2016 • 10:31:57am
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gocart mozart  Sep 28, 2016 • 10:32:26am
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dangerman  Sep 28, 2016 • 10:32:31am

re: #399 Decatur Deb

Those of the Klannish Persuasion know this is their last chance.

understanding probabilities vs possibilities, etc, i am confident clinton will win the election.

i hope you are right and that the 40% will fall apart, shrink, be given its rightful place, light shined all over it, disinfected, cleansed and never be even a marginally viable political force again

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dangerman  Sep 28, 2016 • 10:33:08am

re: #402 Timothy Watson

You prep for everything.

or in this case, apparently, nothing

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Dr. Matt  Sep 28, 2016 • 10:33:11am

re: #379 Franklin

Not linking to SMOTI, but the evidence that Alicia Machado is a “porn star” (nothing wrong with it if she is anyways) is a video on a porn site that shows still shots of a playboy shoot? I mean, wtf?!?

Melania Trump posed nude….where’s the SMOTI outrage?

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Belafon  Sep 28, 2016 • 10:33:42am

re: #401 Sir John Barron

the problem now is, the media will be prepped to proclaim the inevitable TRUMP COMEBACK DEBATE 2, if Trump manages not to pee on the rug.

They were prepared to call him presidential, and then he pulled a Chuck Johnson.

I believe Trump thinks he’ll be able to bully his way to a win, that he just wasn’t aggressive enough. And no matter when his trainers try, it’ll take the right statement from Clinton to send him off script.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 28, 2016 • 10:34:52am

Tennessee must be so proud…

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BeachDem  Sep 28, 2016 • 10:34:52am

re: #341 Targetpractice

Because Donald Trump is the very model of a good sportsman, right?

Yeah—about those freeped poll tweets, Donald…and his facebook (?) page that showed them ad infinitum. No gloating there.

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dangerman  Sep 28, 2016 • 10:37:39am

re: #401 Sir John Barron

the problem now is, the media will be prepped to proclaim the inevitable TRUMP COMEBACK DEBATE 2, if Trump manages not to pee on the rug.

im not gonna live a repeat of the last few weeks
the bar was impressively low
he missed it anyway
and the usual suspects still are writing that he “won”
no one else seriously believes that

objective reality says they both exhibited exactly who they are

2nd round, she’s gonna be just as prepared and thorough, with some extra armor and a new weapon or two

he is not going to morph into something wholly new

and the usual suspects will write that he “won”
and everyone else will still understand what really happened

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Belafon  Sep 28, 2016 • 10:37:45am

re: #410 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Tennessee must be so proud…

Are we electing our first Bi president and don’t know it?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 28, 2016 • 10:38:05am

re: #410 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Targetpractice  Sep 28, 2016 • 10:41:08am

This is the last weapon in the wingnut arsenal. 20 yr old scandals haven’t worked. BENGHAZI! hasn’t worked. “Emailgate” hasn’t worked. “She looked tired” hasn’t worked. So now they’re switching to the only thing they have left: “Bill’s a horndog.”

Need I remind Republicans how this shit played out for you last time? Please proceed.

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dangerman  Sep 28, 2016 • 10:42:15am

re: #403 lawhawk

Clinton went low by identifying how Trump acts towards women? It’s indisputable that he was a creep towards Machado. That’s not on Clinton or Machado, but Trump. So, Trump twits decide to attack Clinton for citing Trump verbatim (a recurring theme).

Trump hates that Clinton’s using attack ads against him - that are basically video/audio clips of him talking and saying all kinds of awful things about women.

i dont know the exact legal relationship between trump and a pageant winner but this seems not like trump on rosie odonnell but rather employer / employee or something close to that?

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BeachDem  Sep 28, 2016 • 10:43:41am

re: #362 Skip Intro

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And about the Baltimore Gazette:
huffingtonpost.com

The Baltimore Gazette is a bogus “news” site.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 28, 2016 • 10:45:27am

re: #416 dangerman

i dont know the exact legal relationship between trump and a pageant winner but this seems not like trump on rosie odonnell but rather employer / employee or something close to that?

It is just indicative of how he regards employees, especially female ones.

BUT IT HAPPENED BEFORE HE DESCENDED THE ESKALTOR AND DEKLARED HIS KANDIDACY SO IT DOES NOT KOUNT

/

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lawhawk  Sep 28, 2016 • 10:45:29am

re: #416 dangerman

If Trump owned the pageant and the winner was obligated to follow contractual terms for the period, that would indeed make him the employer to Machado’s employee.

And we all know how Trump treats employees and contractors.

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dangerman  Sep 28, 2016 • 10:45:44am

re: #415 Targetpractice

This is the last weapon in the wingnut arsenal. 20 yr old scandals haven’t worked. BENGHAZI! hasn’t worked. “Emailgate” hasn’t worked. “She looked tired” hasn’t worked. So now they’re switching to the only thing they have left: “Bill’s a horndog.”

Need I remind Republicans how this shit played out for you last time? Please proceed.

hoping the “party of family values” that has become the “party of trump” continues on its way to become the “party of irrelevancy”

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ObserverArt  Sep 28, 2016 • 10:46:37am

All this stuff about Alicia Machado reminds me of something that happened in the debate.

He truly seemed to be surprised Hillary found out about her. Didn’t he say “Where did you find that?”

That tells me he is either extremely naive and doesn’t know campaigns go digging into your past, or he thought it would never come out. So, did he pay Alicia Machado off at one time and thought it was a done deal. Or, did someone familiar with it bring it to the Clinton campaigns attention. Or was it arrogant stupidity?

Something just not right about the whole thing.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 28, 2016 • 10:46:40am

re: #420 dangerman

hoping the “party of family values” that has become the “party of trump” continues on its way to become the “party of irrelevancy”

no, but it is the party of bigotry and xenophobia, and those appear to be growth markets…

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wrenchwench  Sep 28, 2016 • 10:47:08am

re: #415 Targetpractice

This is the last weapon in the wingnut arsenal. 20 yr old scandals haven’t worked. BENGHAZI! hasn’t worked. “Emailgate” hasn’t worked. “She looked tired” hasn’t worked. So now they’re switching to the only thing they have left: “Bill’s a horndog.”

Need I remind Republicans how this shit played out for you last time? Please proceed.

Wingnuts are bringing the Vast Right Wing Conspiracy to life as it has never lived before.

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Sir John Barron  Sep 28, 2016 • 10:48:00am

re: #409 Belafon

They were prepared to call him presidential, and then he pulled a Chuck Johnson.

Wow, that’s pretty rough.

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dangerman  Sep 28, 2016 • 10:48:30am

re: #418 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

It is just indicative of how he regards employees, especially female ones.

BUT IT HAPPENED BEFORE HE DESCENDED THE ESKALTOR AND DEKLARED HIS KANDIDACY SO IT DOES NOT KOUNT

statute of limitations aside, its not that hes a misogynistic boor, it’s that he may have broken laws (on kamera)

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Timothy Watson  Sep 28, 2016 • 10:48:34am

re: #407 dangerman

or in this case, apparently, nothing

You think the Clinton camp didn’t have talking points ready if Trump had managed to (successfully) Gish Gallop his way through the night?

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Sir John Barron  Sep 28, 2016 • 10:50:51am

re: #421 ObserverArt

All this stuff about Alicia Machado reminds me of something that happened in the debate.

He truly seemed to be surprised Hillary found out about her. Didn’t he say “Where did you find that?”

That tells me he is either extremely naive and doesn’t know campaigns go digging into your past, or he thought it would never come out. So, did he pay Alicia Machado off at one time and thought it was a done deal. Or, did someone familiar with it bring it to the Clinton campaigns attention. Or was it arrogant stupidity?

Something just not right about the whole thing.

I thought this was known before the debate? I seem to recall some mention of it in the media some time back. But given Dumpster’s wide array of shenanigans, it could very well be that this particular case is different.

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dangerman  Sep 28, 2016 • 10:50:55am

re: #423 wrenchwench

Wingnuts are bringing the Vast Right Wing Conspiracy to life as it has never lived before.

the ultimate splodey head: clinton vindicated on vrwc

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Sep 28, 2016 • 10:51:01am

A cool completely OT graphic:

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lawhawk  Sep 28, 2016 • 10:51:21am

re: #421 ObserverArt

Trump’s running amateur hour campaign, even with all the so-called right wing experts he’s had pass through his campaign so far. No GOTV effort. Little in the way of oppo-research, and it’s clear from what Trump people have leaked - Trump shows little interest in facts and talking points beyond what he spews daily. He doesn’t get the need to prepare for debates, and simply wings it.

That’s fine by me. Can’t wait for the next set of excuses when Trump loses round 2 of the debates.

Trump’s background has never truly been scrutinized the way it has since June - when he became the presumptive nominee (mostly because Clinton’s been preparing for him for months). The media’s now playing catchup too. They let him off far too easily in the primaries too - as did his GOP opponents who rather wanted to capture Trump supporters but wouldn’t take on the bigot brigade he surrounded himself with - mostly because they form the core GOP voting bloc.

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Stanley Sea  Sep 28, 2016 • 10:51:36am

re: #421 ObserverArt

All this stuff about Alicia Machado reminds me of something that happened in the debate.

He truly seemed to be surprised Hillary found out about her. Didn’t he say “Where did you find that?”

That tells me he is either extremely naive and doesn’t know campaigns go digging into your past, or he thought it would never come out. So, did he pay Alicia Machado off at one time and thought it was a done deal. Or, did someone familiar with it bring it to the Clinton campaigns attention. Or was it arrogant stupidity?

Something just not right about the whole thing.

I knew about it before the debate. Read about it somewhere on the net.

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wrenchwench  Sep 28, 2016 • 10:52:30am

re: #428 dangerman

the ultimate splodey head: clinton vindicated on vrwc

The best part is the way the splodey heads are so self-inflicted.

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A wild WITHAK appeared!  Sep 28, 2016 • 10:53:28am

re: #429 klys (maker of Silmarils)

A cool completely OT graphic:

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No wonder my lawn is a swamp.

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wrenchwench  Sep 28, 2016 • 10:54:05am

re: #429 klys (maker of Silmarils)

A cool completely OT graphic:

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The firefighter is coming for his bike on Friday. He must have run out of workable hours in CA.

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dangerman  Sep 28, 2016 • 10:54:16am

re: #426 Timothy Watson

You think the Clinton camp didn’t have talking points ready if Trump had managed to (successfully) Gish Gallop his way through the night?

no i might have mis read or mis typed

i was suggesting that since trump really didnt do any prep to win the debate why would he have had the foresight to prepare a contingency plan in case he lost

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Sep 28, 2016 • 10:55:32am

re: #434 wrenchwench

The firefighter is coming for his bike on Friday. He must have run out of workable hours in CA.

I dunno why, ours is only 10% contained.

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Decatur Deb  Sep 28, 2016 • 10:56:52am

Verrry Interesting, but a fairly unknown pollster:

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Franklin  Sep 28, 2016 • 10:57:09am

re: #413 Belafon

Are we electing our first Bi president and don’t know it?

Huge if true.

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dangerman  Sep 28, 2016 • 10:57:27am

re: #432 wrenchwench

The best part is the way the splodey heads are so self-inflicted.

there really was no vrwc
she’s such a svengali she got you guys to go and build one

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dangerman  Sep 28, 2016 • 10:59:18am

re: #438 Franklin

Are we electing our first Bi president and don’t know it?

Huge if true.

I thought Obama was. oh wait, different kind of bi…

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ObserverArt  Sep 28, 2016 • 10:59:19am

re: #415 Targetpractice

This is the last weapon in the wingnut arsenal. 20 yr old scandals haven’t worked. BENGHAZI! hasn’t worked. “Emailgate” hasn’t worked. “She looked tired” hasn’t worked. So now they’re switching to the only thing they have left: “Bill’s a horndog.”

Need I remind Republicans how this shit played out for you last time? Please proceed.

Well, this is different. During the Clinton impeachment try Bill was being investigated by a bunch of guys with lots of stuff in the closet that hadn’t come out.

With Trump, everyone knows he is a philandering cad so there is nothing to hide!

Higher ground! /

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Sir John Barron  Sep 28, 2016 • 11:00:32am

re: #437 Decatur Deb

Verrry Interesting, but a fairly unknown pollster:

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and Trump has to wait till October 9 to try again. Plenty of time for Hillary to continue riding a positive wave. Trump debated “well” during the primaries, in part, because he went in to them already ahead. Now he doesn’t have that luxury.

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Franklin  Sep 28, 2016 • 11:01:05am

re: #440 dangerman

I thought Obama was. oh wait, different kind of bi…

BI = Black Icon?

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Targetpractice  Sep 28, 2016 • 11:01:37am

I notice that every wingnut and Republican who has brought up Bill’s sex life and their belief that mentioning it would have been the thing to win the debate for Trump keep ignoring one thing: This shit didn’t just happen yesterday. Hillary has been hearing this shit since the days in the governor’s mansion. She is not new to being tore apart by “holier than thou” assholes who think that blaming a wife for her husband’s infidelity is the key to destroying her as a person. So if they really believe she wasn’t prepared to rip him a new one over bringing up any of Bill’s infidelities, they’re fooling themselves. Trump would have failed to score blood and just painted a bullseye on his own forehead instead.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 28, 2016 • 11:02:37am

re: #442 Sir John Barron

and Trump has to wait till October 9 to try again. Plenty of time for Hillary to continue riding a positive wave. Trump debated “well” during the primaries, in part, because he went in to them already ahead. Now he doesn’t have that luxury.

He also dominated the proceedings at the GOP debates by virtue of his name recognition and general personality. He is no longer center stage in a debate with Hillary, and he does not thrive in any room in which he cannot immediately suck out all the oxygen.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 28, 2016 • 11:03:33am

re: #444 Targetpractice

…So if they really believe she wasn’t prepared to rip him a new one over bringing up any of Bill’s infidelities, they’re fooling themselves. Trump would have failed to score blood and just painted a bullseye on his own forehead instead.

She should thank him at the next debate for not bringing up Gennifer and Monica…

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wrenchwench  Sep 28, 2016 • 11:03:46am

re: #436 klys (maker of Silmarils)

I dunno why, ours is only 10% contained.

He starts in Feb. or March in NM, then AZ, then Montana, or whatever lights up. Or he left the crew early so he could go back to Mexico to fight fires, like he did last year (which was because he missed out on a helicopter certification, which he got this year, but he wants to back anyway. He fell in love with his mule.)

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lawhawk  Sep 28, 2016 • 11:04:16am

re: #444 Targetpractice

Essentially the response:

What happened between Bill and myself when he was cheating on me is between the two of us. The same can’t be said of you cheating on your first wife with your mistress turned second wife. Or your cheating on your second wife with another mistress who turned in to your third wife.

That’s between the whole bunch of you. And the tabloids. And tell-all books. And your biographies.

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Belafon  Sep 28, 2016 • 11:05:43am

re: #446 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

She should thank him at the next debate for not bringing up Gennifer and Monica…

“I want to thank you for not bringing up Bill’s infidelities with Marla and Melania, I’m sorry, I meant Gennifer and Monica.”

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wrenchwench  Sep 28, 2016 • 11:06:04am

re: #448 lawhawk

Essentially the response:

What happened between Bill and myself when he was cheating on me is between the two of us. The same can’t be said of you cheating on your first wife with your mistress turned second wife. Or your cheating on your second wife with another mistress who turned in to your third wife.

That’s between the whole bunch of you. And the tabloids. And tell-all books. And your biographies.

Make it a picture. It’s too big to tweet.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Sep 28, 2016 • 11:06:24am

re: #448 lawhawk

“And your five kids from three women…”

No. she shouldn’t and wouldn’t go there… but just imagine if it was Obama with 5 kids with 3 different women….

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gocart mozart  Sep 28, 2016 • 11:06:58am

re: #427 Sir John Barron

That tells me he is either extremely naive and doesn’t know campaigns go digging into your past, or he thought it would never come out. So, did he pay Alicia Machado off at one time and thought it was a done deal. Or, did someone familiar with it bring it to the Clinton campaigns attention. Or was it arrogant stupidity?

The story was hiding in one of his books “The Art of the Comeback”: perhaps he never bothered reading it. He also talked about it on Howard Stern at the time. Who the fuck can tell what he is thinking.

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Timothy Watson  Sep 28, 2016 • 11:07:29am

re: #435 dangerman

no i might have mis read or mis typed

i was suggesting that since trump really didnt do any prep to win the debate why would he have had the foresight to prepare a contingency plan in case he lost

Ah, sorry, misunderstood what you meant.

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Dr. Matt  Sep 28, 2016 • 11:08:04am

Something to ponder:

If we were living in the House of Cards universe, President Michelle Obama would be elected on Nov 8th.

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lawhawk  Sep 28, 2016 • 11:08:19am

re: #442 Sir John Barron

and Trump has to wait till October 9 to try again. Plenty of time for Hillary to continue riding a positive wave. Trump debated “well” during the primaries, in part, because he went in to them already ahead. Now he doesn’t have that luxury.

He debated “well” considering that there was no expectations and with 17 other candidates, he just had to talk for a few minutes and give his canned platitudes and a zinger or two, and that was it.

Now, he’s got nowhere to hide from Clinton when he trades blows. Clinton can pummel him and he’s got no one else to shield him. If he flubs, there’s no one who can take hits for him.

It’s all on Trump now, and the first debate shows all of his limitations.

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dangerman  Sep 28, 2016 • 11:09:10am

re: #442 Sir John Barron

and Trump has to wait till October 9 to try again. Plenty of time for Hillary to continue riding a positive wave. Trump debated “well” during the primaries, in part, because he went in to them already ahead. Now he doesn’t have that luxury.

i read he went into the primary debates with a fork and faced off against a bunch of these

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 28, 2016 • 11:09:24am
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Sir John Barron  Sep 28, 2016 • 11:09:53am

re: #451 GlutenFreeJesus

“And your five kids from three women…”

No. she shouldn’t and wouldn’t go there… but just imagine if it was pbama with 5 kids with 3 different women….

I just don’t know why Trump Team thinks bringing up Bill’s infidelities is supposed to hurt Hillary. Even if Trump was still married to his first wife.

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ObserverArt  Sep 28, 2016 • 11:10:26am

re: #445 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

He also dominated the proceedings at the GOP debates by virtue of his name recognition and general personality. He is no longer center stage in a debate with Hillary, and he does not thrive in any room in which he cannot immediately suck out all the oxygen.

And when he can’t dominate he goes full-on asshole. He will be heard.

That is why I think he is already done in the debates. He needed to do well in number one to set the stage for the others. Now the stage is set where a lot of people will be watching to see how bad he can really be.

In a way it is now going to be like the GOP debates, people will watch for Hillary to piss him off and be waiting to see the fireworks. Not good for Donny.

But his arrogance will make him think he has a chance and like many are saying he will get tougher and blow it more.

I think Rudy may have realized it…even Newtie…they just can’t say it because they too know the reactions.

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Timothy Watson  Sep 28, 2016 • 11:10:36am

re: #454 Dr. Matt

Something to ponder:

If we were living in the House of Cards universe, President Michelle Obama would be elected on Nov 8th.

In that reality, the worst tool the GOP could come up with was Will Conway.

Meanwhile, we have to put up with Trump.

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Sir John Barron  Sep 28, 2016 • 11:10:51am

re: #455 lawhawk

Trump was really hoping to have Johnson and Stein on the debate stage with him.

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EPR-radar  Sep 28, 2016 • 11:11:55am

re: #458 Sir John Barron

I just don’t know why Trump Team thinks bringing up Bill’s infidelities is supposed to hurt Hillary. Even if Trump was still married to his first wife.

I see the problem here. Like everyone else in the GOP, Team Trump emotes based on unexamined assumptions.

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dangerman  Sep 28, 2016 • 11:12:17am

re: #452 gocart mozart

The story was hiding in one of his books “The Art of the Comeback”: perhaps he never bothered reading it. He also talked about it on Howard Stern at the time. Who the fuck can tell what he is thinking.

wasnt it in the news?
didnt he have reporters at her workout?

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jaunte  Sep 28, 2016 • 11:13:06am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 28, 2016 • 11:13:08am

re: #463 dangerman

wasnt it in the news?
didnt he have reporters at her workout?

yes and yes

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EPR-radar  Sep 28, 2016 • 11:13:57am

re: #463 dangerman

wasnt it in the news?
didnt he have reporters at her workout?

It’s not like Trump can be expected to remember the countless people he’s been an asshole to.

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Dr. Matt  Sep 28, 2016 • 11:14:10am

re: #460 Timothy Watson

In that reality, the worst tool the GOP could come up with was Will Conway.

Meanwhile, we have to put up with Trump.

With Trump’s ego and lack of reality, if he were to cast himself, it would be someone like Will Conway.

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Decatur Deb  Sep 28, 2016 • 11:14:40am

re: #454 Dr. Matt

Something to ponder:

If we were living in the House of Cards universe, President Michelle Obama would be elected on Nov 8th.

Gov George Wallace term-limited out, handed Alabama to wife Lurleen (who died in office), then took the office back for a couple more terms in one of the nastiest campaigns on record.

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dangerman  Sep 28, 2016 • 11:16:38am

re: #465 Backwoods_Sleuth

wasnt it in the news?
didnt he have reporters at her workout?
yes and yes

so the answer to “where did you get that?”

is

“reading”

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Targetpractice  Sep 28, 2016 • 11:17:04am

re: #459 ObserverArt

And when he can’t dominate he goes full-on asshole. He will be heard.

That is why I think he is already done in the debates. He needed to do well in number one to set the stage for the others. Now the stage is set where a lot of people will be watching to see how bad he can really be.

In a way it is now going to be like the GOP debates, people will watch for Hillary to piss him off and be waiting to see the fireworks. Not good for Donny.

But his arrogance will make him think he has a chance and like many are saying he will get tougher and blow it more.

I think Rudy may have realized it…even Newtie…they just can’t say it because they too know the reactions.

Trump needed the first debate to be a game-changer for him. He needed to convince people that he could come out on stage, look and sound presidential, and avoid blowing up when provoked. He needed to put to rest the perception that he is a raging egomaniac who lacks the temperament to deal with issues in a mature and constrained manner.

As we saw, he totally failed to meet that bar. Not only did he keep rising to the bait, he just kept getting angrier and louder every time he did. His one attempt to barb her (emails) failed, while she kept leading him into saying things that will take days or weeks to dispel. The reality is she zeroed in him with the first exchange and kept pummeling him til the very end. Anybody who thinks he came out of that scrum looking the least bit good is delusional. He got played like an accordion and she’ll do it to him again come Oct 9th.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 28, 2016 • 11:18:09am

omg putting in private because it’s so awful

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dangerman  Sep 28, 2016 • 11:18:45am

re: #470 Targetpractice

Trump needed the first debate to be a game-changer for him. He needed to convince people that he could come out on stage, look and sound presidential, and avoid blowing up when provoked. He needed to put to rest the perception that he is a raging egomaniac who lacks the temperament to deal with issues in a mature and constrained manner.

and he needed to not lie

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jaunte  Sep 28, 2016 • 11:19:15am

Adam Gopnik: The Dangerous Acceptance of Donald Trump

“…One can argue about whether to call him a fascist or an authoritarian populist or a grotesque joke made in a nightmare shared between Philip K. Dick and Tom Wolfe, but under any label Trump is a declared enemy of the liberal constitutional order of the United States—the order that has made it, in fact, the great and plural country that it already is. He announces his enmity to America by word and action every day. It is articulated in his insistence on the rightness of torture and the acceptable murder of noncombatants. It is self-evident in the threats he makes daily to destroy his political enemies, made only worse by the frivolity and transience of the tone of those threats. He makes his enmity to American values clear when he suggests that the Presidency holds absolute power, through which he will be able to end opposition—whether by questioning the ownership of newspapers or talking about changing libel laws or threatening to take away F.C.C. licenses. To say “Well, he would not really have the power to accomplish that” is to misunderstand the nature of thin-skinned authoritarians in power. They do not arrive in office and discover, as constitutionalists do, that their capabilities are more limited than they imagined. They arrive, and then make their power as large as they can.”
newyorker.com

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Sherlock Hound  Sep 28, 2016 • 11:19:57am

re: #393 gocart mozart

I was pissed off that the damn Watergate hearings kept pre-empting the Flintstones and Jetsons.

The hearings were totally over my head, but I watched them as a ‘tween. That’s how I became a political junkie.

OTOH, when 9/11 happened, I bailed out of TV very early and watched a lot of “Arthur” on PBS.

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Belafon  Sep 28, 2016 • 11:23:18am

re: #473 jaunte

Adam Gopnik: The Dangerous Acceptance of Donald Trump

To say “Well, he would not really have the power to accomplish that” is to misunderstand the nature of thin-skinned authoritarians in power. They do not arrive in office and discover, as constitutionalists do, that their capabilities are more limited than they imagined. They arrive, and then make their power as large as they can.”

Should be sent to every American. And then listen for those that cheer.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 28, 2016 • 11:23:51am
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dangerman  Sep 28, 2016 • 11:24:33am

re: #473 jaunte

i am heartened little by little that now enough of the “press” and “the media” is pulling back the curtain and writing about whats behind it . they are pulling less and less punches.

its way too little and not nearly early enough
to their credit, huffpo had him categorized from the start

100m people or so watched the debate. him and her. one on one. a good chunk of those 100m probably werent paying attention up til now

as they are now engaging, following up etc, this is the kind of thing many are reading

- doesnt change what i said earlier - why are we having to go through this ridiculous exercise.

just that confidence builds daily that it will come out ok and as it should (more or less)

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 28, 2016 • 11:27:51am

Gov. Bevin just got seriously smacked down in court today:

UofL = University of Louisville

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Stanley Sea  Sep 28, 2016 • 11:28:05am

Lady who Trump said would look good on her knees is on CNN defending him.

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dangerman  Sep 28, 2016 • 11:28:18am

re: #474 Sherlock Hound

The hearings were totally over my head, but I watched them as a ‘tween. That’s how I became a political junkie.

robert klein 1974 “mind over matter” wallowing in watergate. summed it up for me in six minutes. brilliant

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austin_blue  Sep 28, 2016 • 11:28:59am

re: #471 Backwoods_Sleuth

omg putting in private because it’s so awful

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Things that make you just say, “Wow”.

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EPR-radar  Sep 28, 2016 • 11:29:53am

re: #473 jaunte

The Republican party itself is also an “enemy of the liberal constitutional order of the United States”, somewhat undeclared for now.

Nothing that Trump is doing is a novelty for the Republican party. He’s just turning the knob up to 11 on multiple forms of GOP bad crazy at the same time.

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Jenner7  Sep 28, 2016 • 11:30:06am
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Stanley Sea  Sep 28, 2016 • 11:30:07am

Brandy Rogers whoever that is. What an idiot.

Also gave CNN the chance to play the video.

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BeachDem  Sep 28, 2016 • 11:30:16am

re: #437 Decatur Deb

Verrry Interesting, but a fairly unknown pollster:

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Kind of amazing that the shitshow had 29% MORE likely to vote for Trump after it. Who the fuck are these people?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 28, 2016 • 11:32:02am

re: #483 Jenner7

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Franklin  Sep 28, 2016 • 11:33:56am
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BeachDem  Sep 28, 2016 • 11:35:06am

re: #455 lawhawk

He debated “well” considering that there was no expectations and with 17 other candidates, he just had to talk for a few minutes and give his canned platitudes and a zinger or two, and that was it.

Now, he’s got nowhere to hide from Clinton when he trades blows. Clinton can pummel him and he’s got no one else to shield him. If he flubs, there’s no one who can take hits for him.

It’s all on Trump now, and the first debate shows all of his limitations.

And a man’s gotta know his limitations

Eastwood- A Man’s Got to Know his Limitations

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Jay C  Sep 28, 2016 • 12:11:12pm

re: #276 ObserverArt

Is New Jersey gonna boot Chris Christie as more comes out about him knowing about the bridge lane closures and the fact that it was set up to get back at the mayor that wouldn’t kiss his fat ass?

I want him to be Chris Crispy. He needs to be impeached to ruin his public image. I doubt it would shut his big mouth up, but it sure might prevent people ever putting him in a public office again.

I wouldn’t worry much about Chris Christie’s future officeholding probabilities impacting either the state or the nation in any significant manner. He’s the Governor of New Jersey, after all: most of the recent holders of that title have had their post-gubernatorial careers consist of:

1. Dismissive electoral defeat, or
2. Ignominious retirement.

OK, so it’s not Illinois, where you have

3. Sent to prison.

as a normal option, but close….


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