Right Wingers Emit Blizzard of Conspiracy Theories to Excuse Trump’s Debate Loss

The GOP is now the Conspiracy Theory Party
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We’ve been watching our Twitter feed in awe today, as right wing pundits and hacks and randos pump out one conspiracy theory after another to explain why Hillary Clinton beat the pants off their hero Donald Trump in the first presidential debate.

The perennial “she was wearing an earphone” theory:

The “mysterious man helped her cheat” theory:

The “mysterious hand signals” theory:

And last but not least, the “Google suppressed bad news about Hillary” theory, coming from Donald Trump himself.

UPDATE at 9/28/16 8:56:55 pm by Charles Johnson

And it’s not over yet, folks.

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551 comments
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freetoken  Sep 28, 2016 • 7:07:45pm

Just like with everything else, from the election of Obama to climate change.

Reality is too much for them.

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No Country For Old Haters  Sep 28, 2016 • 7:14:10pm
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The Ghost of a Flea  Sep 28, 2016 • 7:15:18pm

re: #1 freetoken

Just like with everything else, from the election of Obama to climate change.

Reality is too much for them.

They’re going to make it reality. That’s why they’re okay with broad-dispersal—multiple conspiracy theories that don’t overlap or cohere together. If they consolidate power, whatever “version” they can fake the best will become the truth. They’ll enforce it as the truth, and implement policy and investigations on the basis of it.

No seriously—look at other authoritarian, conspiracy-oriented governments in history. They share in common a contempt for validity, nuance, and standard method of ascertaining guilt.

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calochortus  Sep 28, 2016 • 7:17:48pm

If Hillary was all that wired up, why did she need to use hand signals? Seems like overkill and it could have distracted her from her evisceration of Trump.

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Belafon  Sep 28, 2016 • 7:18:53pm

re: #4 calochortus

If Hillary was all that wired up, why did she need to use hand signals? Seems like overkill and it could have distracted her from her evisceration of Trump.

Well, she did over prepare for the debate. //

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Sep 28, 2016 • 7:19:21pm

From one of my sources, a former MLB pitcher: Clinton was signaling Lester to throw a change-up.

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Belafon  Sep 28, 2016 • 7:21:51pm

re: #6 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

From one of my sources, a former MLB pitcher: Clinton was signaling Lester to throw a change-up.

Think of how awkward it would have been if Lester had stolen second instead.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Sep 28, 2016 • 7:24:57pm

I’ve become an Alicia Machado fanboy. Here’s another shot from her Instagram feed, less glam than the last one I posted downstairs, but still stunning. She’s posing with Bill, soon to be the first First Dude in history.

Instagram

Thanks for your time! Was my honor to meet our former President @billclinton.usa we are with @hillaryclinton 🇺🇸🇻🇪🙏🏻🌹#democrats2016

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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 28, 2016 • 7:27:14pm

Some more photos from the Kennedy Museum/Dealey Plaza. The museum tour is very thorough and informative. I was impressed. At the end of the tour there’s a guestbook you can sign and leave a message in. Most were positive but there were a handul of wingnut comments about covers and conspiracy theories and such. One comment simply said: LIES.

The final photo is taken from almost the exact spot where Kennedy was shot, you can clearly the infamous Sixth floor window. If you can believe it, there were people running into the street to take pictures. Tourists can sure be dumb sometimes.

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No Country For Old Haters  Sep 28, 2016 • 7:27:17pm

WTF?

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goddamnedfrank  Sep 28, 2016 • 7:27:56pm
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Trumpia est omnis divisa in duo calathi(Sophist)  Sep 28, 2016 • 7:29:31pm

“Hillary Clinton has ears, and she uses them to listen to other smart people when they tell her smart things. Unfair!”

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TedStriker  Sep 28, 2016 • 7:30:00pm

re: #7 Belafon

Think of how awkward it would have been if Lester had stolen second instead.

You mean Lester Holt isn’t Willie Mays Hays in disguise?

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freetoken  Sep 28, 2016 • 7:31:48pm

re: #12 Trumpia est omnis divisa in duo calathi(Sophist)

I’m rather skeptical of all these cries of “eugenics”, which now occur quite often in the era of DNA editing.

There are several stories in the news right now about genetic engineering and “EUGENICS!” as a cry is all too easily being done.

Regarding inheriting success (whatever that is) via DNA rather than culture - quite a few people probably believe that to some degree.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Sep 28, 2016 • 7:32:25pm

New York Magazine: The Sandy Hook Hoax
Lenny Pozner used to believe in conspiracy theories. Until his son’s death became one.

After reading this. all I have to say is that Alex Jones is the second biggest piece of shit to walk the planet, but pales when comapred to Donald Trump.

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Shiplord Kirel  Sep 28, 2016 • 7:32:33pm

Russia is a country ruled by conspiracy theorists. I seriously think that explains a lot of the right wing’s affinity for them.

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calochortus  Sep 28, 2016 • 7:37:36pm

re: #10 No Country For Old Haters

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WTF?

No Donald, you should not keep them. Throw them out (gently) and let them vote for Clinton instead.

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Charles Johnson  Sep 28, 2016 • 7:38:17pm
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Trumpia est omnis divisa in duo calathi(Sophist)  Sep 28, 2016 • 7:38:51pm

re: #14 freetoken

I’m rather skeptical of all these cries of “eugenics”, which now occur quite often in the era of DNA editing.

There are several stories in the news right now about genetic engineering and “EUGENICS!” as a cry is all too easily being done.

Regarding inheriting success (whatever that is) via DNA rather than culture - quite a few people probably believe that to some degree.

Wrong person, but I’ll bite. What I consider one of the key traits of eugenics is that its advocates sought to impose their agenda on other people against their will.

Keeping people who carry fragile X from having kids? Eugenics.

Giving those people the option of editing that gene out? Not eugenics.

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teleskiguy  Sep 28, 2016 • 7:39:06pm

re: #9 Eclectic Cyborg

I went to Dallas in April for an Umphrey’s McGee show at The House of Blues. I, too, walked around and bought the ticket for The Sixth Floor Museum.

I spent a fair amount of time in the museum reading the local papers of the day, the full page ad in the Dallas Morning News telling Kennedy that he wasn’t welcome, and some spellbinding letters to the editor.

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BeachDem  Sep 28, 2016 • 7:40:26pm

Wonkette’s Rebecca summarizes Chelsea’s Cosmo interview (as only she can)
Shorter Chelsea Clinton: Too bad Trump’s too stupid to talk about real things, our family business is our family business, and also fuck him sideways with a sharp piece of driftwood. Chelsea Clinton later said that her sense of morality and decency wouldn’t allow her to bring up what a nasty adulterous slut-puppy her friend Ivanka’s dad is, HAHAHA just kidding, that is a Wonkette joke, but it’s true.

wonkette.com

The best part is the photo caption: Ready on day one to be the First Daughter again!

Awwww

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Timothy Watson  Sep 28, 2016 • 7:40:44pm

re: #9 Eclectic Cyborg

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Some more photos from the Kennedy Museum/Dealey Plaza. The museum tour is very thorough and informative. I was impressed. At the end of the tour there’s a guestbook you can sign and leave a message in. Most were positive but there were a handul of wingnut comments about covers and conspiracy theories and such. One comment simply said: LIES.

The final photo is taken from almost the exact spot where Kennedy was shot, you can clearly the infamous Sixth floor window. If you can believe it, there were people running into the street to take pictures. Tourists can sure be dumb sometimes.

You didn’t run into UpChuck did you?

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Great White Snark  Sep 28, 2016 • 7:41:17pm

Childish Payback is Childish

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Dr. Lexus  Sep 28, 2016 • 7:45:30pm

Donald Trump in Waukesha: Hillary Clinton would ‘put the Oval Office up for sale’

With 40 days left in his campaign, Republican presidential nominee Donald Trump on Wednesday doubled down on his Democratic opponent’s past in attempting to win over the most important conservative area of Wisconsin at a rally of nearly 2,000 people in Waukesha.

In his sixth stop to the state since embarking upon a presidential campaign that until recently garnered little support from establishment Republicans like those concentrated in Waukesha, Trump was helped by former Gov. Tommy Thompson, who was previously a staunch supporter of former presidential candidate Gov. John Kasich.

Thompson told the crowd gathered in the Waukesha County Expo Center that “it’s time to get on the train. The Trump train is moving.”

The former governor likened the real estate mogul who has never been elected to any public office to President Ronald Reagan. But the state’s top Republicans, Gov. Scott Walker and U.S. Sen. Ron Johnson, were not at the rally that was held in the same venue where Walker in July 2015 announced his own presidential bid that lasted just 70 days.

Unintimidated!

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calochortus  Sep 28, 2016 • 7:46:07pm

re: #23 Great White Snark

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Even the Freepers recognized that the wire and box under Clinton’s jacket were for her mic. The ear thing? They were more excited about that.

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Maxwell Not So Smart  Sep 28, 2016 • 7:46:35pm

The thin skinned bigot the GOP chose to run for POTUS that is so clever he didn’t need to prepare to debate a feeble women has the most embarrassing and worst performance of anyone in history at a presidential debate.

So of course the whole thing was rigged and they cheated.

#Personal Responsibility.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Sep 28, 2016 • 7:46:46pm

I note that the RWNJ echo chamber has now absorbed as Truth that Alicia Machado did porn flicks. Case in point:

But Melania posing nude in a magazine is totally OK.

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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 28, 2016 • 7:47:38pm

re: #25 calochortus

Even the Freepers recognized that the wire and box under Clinton’s jacket were for her mic. The ear thing? They were more excited about that.

Clinton & Bush are wearing kevlar jackets.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 28, 2016 • 7:48:50pm

re: #27 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

I note that the RWNJ echo chamber has now absorbed as Truth that Alicia Machado did porn flicks. Case in point:

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But Melania posing nude in a magazine is totally OK.

Scumbags.

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Lidane  Sep 28, 2016 • 7:49:41pm
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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Sep 28, 2016 • 7:49:52pm

Aaannd wesearchr is now raising funds to put up Pepe the Frog billboards in the Midwest.

I think I’ll stay off Twitter for the rest of the day.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 28, 2016 • 7:50:01pm

re: #22 Timothy Watson

You didn’t run into UpChuck did you?

Hell no, thank God! Lol

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calochortus  Sep 28, 2016 • 7:51:17pm

re: #28 The Vicious Babushka

Clinton & Bush are wearing kevlar jackets.

I don’t doubt it, but why would there be a box shape in a kevlar jacket? It seems really likely it was transmitters of some sort for the mics.

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Lidane  Sep 28, 2016 • 7:52:00pm

ICYMI:

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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 28, 2016 • 7:52:27pm

re: #27 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Um, plenty of people are willing to have sex on camera depending on who will be watching the video. If such behavior was a disqualifier for having kids our population would be much lower.

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Stanley Sea  Sep 28, 2016 • 7:52:48pm

re: #29 HappyWarrior

Scumbags.

Who are not convincing any women. If they knew any btw.

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Timothy Watson  Sep 28, 2016 • 7:52:51pm

re: #33 calochortus

I don’t doubt it, but why would there be a box shape in a kevlar jacket? It seems really likely it was transmitters of some sort for the mics.

Yeah, watch some local news and you’ll pick up on the transmitters that are usually mounted at their waistbands. They’re easy to pick out, especially on weathermen.

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nickzi  Sep 28, 2016 • 7:53:34pm

Last night Dead Andrew Breitbart perched on the non-existent headboard of my bed and softly whispered to me a confession that he had bio-engineered the string cheese on Trump’s head into a sophisticated wireless router.

I asked him what went wrong in the debate.

He blinked his little red eyes and muttered:

“User Error. “

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Charles Johnson  Sep 28, 2016 • 7:53:58pm

re: #35 Eclectic Cyborg

Um, plenty of people are willing to have sex on camera depending on who will be watching the video. If such behavior was a disqualifier for having kids our population would be much lower.

The fact remains that Machado never did hard core porn. This is an outright lie being circulated by the right wing, started by Alex Jones.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Sep 28, 2016 • 7:55:28pm

re: #35 Eclectic Cyborg

Um, plenty of people are willing to have sex on camera depending on who will be watching the video. If such behavior was a disqualifier for having kids our population would be much lower.

When the message can’t be refuted, attack the messenger.

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Shiplord Kirel  Sep 28, 2016 • 7:56:47pm

re: #40 Charles Johnson

The Race to Smear Miss Universe Alicia Machado as a Bloodthirsty, Drug Lord-Loving Porn Star

This raises a question for RWNJs: What kind of fool would call a bloodthirsty gangster moll “Miss Piggy?”

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Stanley Sea  Sep 28, 2016 • 7:58:16pm

re: #40 Charles Johnson

The Race to Smear Miss Universe Alicia Machado as a Bloodthirsty, Drug Lord-Loving Porn Star

She’s strong as fuck. And if Trump tries to sue her, her GoFundMe will be astronomical.

I’m quite sure she’s prepared for this.

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allegro  Sep 28, 2016 • 7:58:17pm

re: #37 Timothy Watson

Yeah, watch some local news and you’ll pick up on the transmitters that are usually mounted at their waistbands. They’re easy to pick out, especially on weathermen.

Those are for wireless mics. Perhaps the podium mics were wireless? Otherwise, the boxes are perplexing.

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The Ghost of a Flea  Sep 28, 2016 • 7:58:55pm

re: #38 nickzi

Last night Dead Andrew Breitbart perched on the non-existent headboard of my bed and softly whispered to me a confession that he had bio-engineered the string cheese on Trump’s head into a sophisticated wireless router.

I asked him what went wrong in the debate.

He blinked his little red eyes and muttered:

“User Error. “

Well, I knew someday that somebody full of piss, vinegar, ayahuasca and vinegary piss full of ayahuasca would challenge my mastery of random weirdness.

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calochortus  Sep 28, 2016 • 7:59:25pm

re: #44 allegro

Those are for wireless mics. Perhaps the podium mics were wireless? Otherwise, the boxes are perplexing.

They had small mics on their lapels.

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Trumpia est omnis divisa in duo calathi(Sophist)  Sep 28, 2016 • 8:00:58pm

re: #31 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Aaannd wesearchr is now raising funds to put up Pepe the Frog billboards in the Midwest.

Yeah, because nothing connects with middle aged Iowa corn farmers like internet memes created by edgy 12 year olds.

Do even they know what this is supposed to accomplish?

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Lidane  Sep 28, 2016 • 8:02:45pm

*cough*

Because Newt is the picture of health. /////////

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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 28, 2016 • 8:03:19pm

re: #44 allegro

Those are for wireless mics. Perhaps the podium mics were wireless? Otherwise, the boxes are perplexing.

A kevlar vest has that boxy profile. It’s not comm apparatus.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Sep 28, 2016 • 8:04:19pm

re: #47 Trumpia est omnis divisa in duo calathi(Sophist)

Yeah, because nothing connects with middle aged Iowa corn farmers like internet memes created by edgy 12 year olds.

Do even they know what this is supposed to accomplish?

No. Rage Furby and Pax Dickinson are like Beavis and Butthead doing stupid shit for the lulz, just to annoy people.

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Joe Bacon  Sep 28, 2016 • 8:04:24pm

I’m shocked that Ginger Snapped and SGMOTI aren’t spreading a lie about Hillary using her Apple Watch during the debate…

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allegro  Sep 28, 2016 • 8:04:26pm

re: #46 calochortus

They had small mics on their lapels.

Then there it is. Knew there was a good explanation.

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Great White Snark  Sep 28, 2016 • 8:04:33pm

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Trumpia est omnis divisa in duo calathi(Sophist)  Sep 28, 2016 • 8:04:49pm

re: #40 Charles Johnson

The Race to Smear Miss Universe Alicia Machado as a Bloodthirsty, Drug Lord-Loving Porn Star

When will you awful liberals stop using the politics of personal destruction?

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allegro  Sep 28, 2016 • 8:05:20pm

re: #49 The Vicious Babushka

A kevlar vest has that boxy profile. It’s not comm apparatus.

That’s not the “boxy” I’m talking about.

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nickzi  Sep 28, 2016 • 8:05:48pm

re: #54 Trumpia est omnis divisa in duo calathi(Sophist)

When will you awful liberals stop using the politics of personal destruction?

When will conservatives stop fucking pigs?

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calochortus  Sep 28, 2016 • 8:05:50pm

re: #49 The Vicious Babushka

A kevlar vest has that boxy profile. It’s not comm apparatus.

I think we’re talking about different things here. I was referring to the maybe 3” x 4” rectangle down near her waistline.

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makeitstop  Sep 28, 2016 • 8:06:23pm

re: #48 Lidane

*cough*

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Because Newt is the picture of health. /////////

Newt would probably kick Calista straight to the curb if he stood half a chance with Machado. But she’d probably be as squicked out by the thought as I am right now.

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Trumpia est omnis divisa in duo calathi(Sophist)  Sep 28, 2016 • 8:07:27pm

re: #48 Lidane

*cough*

Or get cancer.

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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 28, 2016 • 8:07:37pm

re: #57 calochortus

I think we’re talking about different things here. I was referring to the maybe 3” x 4” rectangle down near her waistline.

That would be the velcro fastening.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Sep 28, 2016 • 8:10:02pm

OT: A moment of zen from The Oatmeal: How to be perfectly unhappy

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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 28, 2016 • 8:10:09pm

re: #39 Charles Johnson

Oh yes, abso-fucking-lutely agree. It just drives me nuts when people do not think about the logic of the things they say. Of course, that’s the Trump fans M.O.

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allegro  Sep 28, 2016 • 8:10:51pm

re: #60 The Vicious Babushka

That would be the velcro fastening.

Nope, she is wearing a lavalier mic clipped to her jacket. It’s a mic transmitter. Trump has one too.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 28, 2016 • 8:11:12pm

It was bad enough for me in 20”4 when the right belittled now SoS Kerry’s Purple Hearts. Now we’ve seen them go after a Muslim gold star family and Hispanic beauty pageant contestant. Is there anyone these sick assholes won’t attack who get in their way?

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nickzi  Sep 28, 2016 • 8:12:14pm

re: #63 allegro

Nope, she is wearing a lavalier mic clipped to her jacket. It’s a mic transmitter. Trump has one too.

I am hoping The Machine is talking to Hillary, because I am pretty damn sure that Samaritan is talking to Trump.

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FormerDirtDart  Sep 28, 2016 • 8:13:39pm

re: #44 allegro

Those are for wireless mics. Perhaps the podium mics were wireless? Otherwise, the boxes are perplexing.

Both candidates were wired with backup mics see image in link
Mic’d up

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allegro  Sep 28, 2016 • 8:14:06pm

re: #63 allegro

Nope, she is wearing a lavalier mic clipped to her jacket. It’s a mic transmitter. Trump has one too.

That actually makes Trump’s leaning down into his podium mic even more ridiculous since there’s redundant mics picking everything up.

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allegro  Sep 28, 2016 • 8:15:33pm

Aaaand it makes his story about a bad mic even more stupid.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Sep 28, 2016 • 8:18:52pm
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MsJ  Sep 28, 2016 • 8:20:44pm

re: #58 makeitstop

Newt would probably kick Calista straight to the curb if he stood half a chance with Machado. But she’d probably be as squicked out by the thought as I am right now.

Probably? HA! Definitely. No ifs, ands, or buts.

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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 28, 2016 • 8:22:14pm
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FormerDirtDart  Sep 28, 2016 • 8:26:33pm

Verified Florida GOP account…
Linking InfoWars

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Sep 28, 2016 • 8:28:11pm

re: #72 FormerDirtDart

Verified Florida GOP account…
Linking InfoWars

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And the article quotes “conservative actor James Woods” as if he’s some kind of political expert.

They got nothing.

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Trumpia est omnis divisa in duo calathi(Sophist)  Sep 28, 2016 • 8:28:38pm

re: #71 The Vicious Babushka

“I’ll always remember that one time my dad wasn’t as big of an asshole as he could have been.”

How soon can he apply for canonization?

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nickzi  Sep 28, 2016 • 8:30:27pm

re: #74 Trumpia est omnis divisa in duo calathi(Sophist)

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“I’ll always remember that one time my dad wasn’t as big of an asshole as he could have been.”

How soon can he apply for canonization?

We’re going to need a bigger cannon.

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goddamnedfrank  Sep 28, 2016 • 8:35:38pm

re: #72 FormerDirtDart

Verified Florida GOP account…
Linking InfoWars

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 28, 2016 • 8:36:14pm

re: #63 allegro

Nope, she is wearing a lavalier mic clipped to her jacket. It’s a mic transmitter. Trump has one too.

The mic are right there in the pictures of both.

They’re both mic’ed.
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allegro  Sep 28, 2016 • 8:37:08pm

Yanno millions of women are listening to this and watching. It isn’t just the direct insults about women’s appearance or that wives are the ones responsible for their husbands’ infidelities. More insidious are the attacks on Clinton’s abilities and credibility when she is the single most qualified candidate to ever run for the office of POTUS. The bullshit “stamina” code word, the accusations of cheating - as if she needs to. I note that many men are horrified by the misogyny they are witnessing. Women who have been experiencing this treatment for their lifetimes (and who have been blown off by many of these same men for talking about it, accused of being over sensitive, etc.) are hardly surprised.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Sep 28, 2016 • 8:38:38pm
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jaunte  Sep 28, 2016 • 8:40:52pm

re: #78 allegro

Trump got his ass handed to him by the experienced, knowledgeable candidate who he probably derides as a nerd, and he’s still trying to fight back with the dumb jock moves:

“I’ve been out from June 16, it’s been full time,” Trump said, bragging about the tough schedule known as running for president. “You see all the days off that Hillary takes. Day off. Day off. Day off,” he said while wildly gesticulating. “All those day offs [sic] and then she can’t even make it to her car. Isn’t that tough?”
thedailybeast.com

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Sep 28, 2016 • 8:41:02pm

Hillary has a stronger chin than Trump, so she will win election, says Chinese “face reader.”

scmp.com

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No Country For Old Haters  Sep 28, 2016 • 8:45:08pm

re: #81 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Hillary has a stronger chin than Trump, so she will win election, says Chinese “face reader.”

scmp.com

Well, there you have it. We can all relax.

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Charles Johnson  Sep 28, 2016 • 8:55:25pm
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Ziggy_TARDIS  Sep 28, 2016 • 8:56:39pm

re: #24 Dr. Lexus

Considering the electoral funny business that goes on in Waukesha County, any talk of bribery is simply silly.

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nickzi  Sep 28, 2016 • 8:56:42pm

re: #81 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Hillary has a stronger chin than Trump, so she will win election, says Chinese “face reader.”

scmp.com

But Fox News just told me that Trump has three bigly chins, so….

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freetoken  Sep 28, 2016 • 8:58:53pm

Florida… the hanging-chads state.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 28, 2016 • 8:59:01pm

“And this one time, at man camp…”

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nickzi  Sep 28, 2016 • 9:00:18pm

re: #87 Eclectic Cyborg

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“And this one time, at man camp…”

When I saw my father bravely wearing a blue tie, I admit it, my eyes filled with tears….

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Trumpia est omnis divisa in duo calathi(Sophist)  Sep 28, 2016 • 9:01:34pm

re: #81 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Hillary has a stronger chin than Trump, so she will win election, says Chinese “face reader.”

scmp.com

Hey, that’s at least as legitimate as open internet “polls”.

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Kragar  Sep 28, 2016 • 9:04:19pm
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jaunte  Sep 28, 2016 • 9:06:19pm
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Eric The Fruit Bat  Sep 28, 2016 • 9:17:10pm

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jaunte  Sep 28, 2016 • 9:20:52pm
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jaunte  Sep 28, 2016 • 9:24:24pm
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retired cynic  Sep 28, 2016 • 9:32:10pm

re: #94 jaunte

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I think this is standard Trump procedure. Put out so many different positions on a topic in a flurry that even his own supporters can’t figure it out, and decide it doesn’t matter. Jay Rosen had a piece on this that is very good:

pressthink.org

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KGxvi  Sep 28, 2016 • 9:42:25pm

re: #27 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

I note that the RWNJ echo chamber has now absorbed as Truth that Alicia Machado did porn flicks. Case in point:

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But Melania posing nude in a magazine is totally OK.

This panties in a wad, uptight, fucking bullshit annoys me. It doesn’t matter that she may or may not have been an adult actress. It was and is legal. She was not forced to do it against her will. But then, I’m guessing the people taking shots at her are probably the kind of people who believe sex should only happen in the bedroom, with the lights off, the door locked, and while wearing t-shirts.

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gwangung  Sep 28, 2016 • 9:43:27pm

re: #46 calochortus

They had small mics on their lapels.

Sennheiser G3 wireles mike

For example….can swap mikes in and out……

As you can see, lots of wires…

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN  Sep 28, 2016 • 9:44:23pm

With this new law allowing victims to sue the government of Saudi Arabia, my armchair lawyer sense tells me that the victims must show that they have some outstanding damage claim in order to sue. Since they were compensated, (as acknowledged so inelegantly by Ann Coulter) would they still have standing to sue?

IIRC the infamous Paula Jones lawsuit vs Bill Clinton was dismissed because she couldn’t show damages resulting from the harassment, IOW her career did not suffer and she did not lose her job or anything.

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nickzi  Sep 28, 2016 • 9:46:02pm

I am wondering when the Trump fans are going to notice the latest action by Trump’s Moscow bae:

politico.eu

Over Putin’s years in power, not just the Kremlin but almost every branch of the Russian state has been taken over by old KGB men like himself.

Last week news broke that their resurgence is soon to be topped off with a final triumph — the resurrection of the old KGB itself. According to the Russian daily Kommersant, a major new reshuffle of Russia’s security agencies is under way that will unite the FSB (the main successor agency to the KGB) with Russia’s foreign intelligence service into a new super-agency called the Ministry of State Security — a report that, significantly, wasn’t denied by the Kremlin or the FSB itself.

The new agency, which revives the name of Stalin’s secret police between 1943 and 1953, will be as large and powerful as the old Soviet KGB, employing as many as 250,000 people.

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majii  Sep 28, 2016 • 9:47:03pm

re: #87 Eclectic Cyborg

Both of my parents have passed away. When I think of my dad, the best things I remember about him were his love for my mom, and his dedication to her, myself, and my siblings. He had only one wife, unlike Trump, Giuliani, and Gingrich, and he didn’t cheat on my mom. He worked every d*mn day to take care of us. If all Eric Trump is proud of about his dad is that he didn’t attack former President Bill Clinton’s affairs and blame them on his wife, he must have a piss poor relationship with him. I would have thought he’d have said something about how his dad would show up at his little league or soccer games or at his school events, but noooo, he’s proud because his vulgar talking yam of a dad didn’t stick his adulterous, serial married, wh*rish butt into another married couple’s business. SMDH.

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Anymouse  Sep 28, 2016 • 9:47:21pm

Remember that poll in my local paper I asked people to weigh in on from here?

They printed it in the morning paper as a pie chart, with percentages of the pie.

This being NE-3, Donald Trump won the poll.

However, even on drugs after surgery I could see the incredible blaring error on page A1, and just finished a letter to the editor. Let’s see if they print it:

“Holy Pollsters, Batman!”

Reading the Star-Herald on September 28, I have to wonder about your on-line poll on who readers thought won the first Presidential debate.

Did the Star-Herald use the same poll unskewers that Presidents Ron Paul and Mitt Romney used? 67 and 45 add up to 112 percent of the respondents.

And speaking of surgery and drugs:

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On the way to the hospital this morning is something you only see around here. The county sheriff only has one car. If the county sheriff wants to set up a radar trap, he has to be creative. On the way to Cheyenne, under a billboard was the sheriff’s deputy on a horse with a radar gun; the sheriff was a couple hundred yards further down the road. I love living in the rural Old West.

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freetoken  Sep 28, 2016 • 9:47:33pm

re: #99 nickzi

I am wondering when the Trump fans are going to notice …

Not going to happen.

Looking at my Facebook wall, the usual suspects are in permanent Hate-Hillary mode, and nothing Drumpfskind will ever say or do will change that.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Sep 28, 2016 • 9:47:44pm

re: #95 retired cynic

I think this is standard Trump procedure. Put out so many different positions on a topic in a flurry that even his own supporters can’t figure it out, and decide it doesn’t matter. Jay Rosen had a piece on this that is very good:

pressthink.org

That’s a good read.

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KGxvi  Sep 28, 2016 • 9:48:35pm

re: #98 SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN

With this new law allowing victims to sue the government of Saudi Arabia, my armchair lawyer sense tells me that the victims must show that they have some outstanding damage claim in order to sue. Since they were compensated, (as acknowledged so inelegantly by Ann Coulter) would they still have standing to sue?

IIRC the infamous Paula Jones lawsuit vs Bill Clinton was dismissed because she couldn’t show damages resulting from the harassment, IOW her career did not suffer and she did not lose her job or anything.

My guess is that the causes of action would center around wrongful death claims. Damages for wrongful death typically involve things like loss of consortium, lost future earnings, pain and suffering. The more difficult thing will be showing causation, and even in the most Palsgraftian way, I’m not sure how you get there.

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freetoken  Sep 28, 2016 • 9:50:18pm

re: #104 KGxvi

It’ll all go back to 9/11 conspiracies. Got those on my Facebook wall too. Some people who I otherwise would think of as being quite rational get pulled into 9/11 conspiracies.

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The Ghost of a Flea  Sep 28, 2016 • 9:50:52pm

re: #96 KGxvi

This panties in a wad, uptight, fucking bullshit annoys me. It doesn’t matter that she may or may not have been an adult actress. It was and is legal. She was not forced to do it against her will. But then, I’m guessing the people taking shots at her are probably the kind of people who believe sex should only happen in the bedroom, with the lights off, the door locked, and while wearing t-shirts.

See, I’d wager the opposite.

Vast archived porn and a total confidence that everybody else in the world is just as outre in their fetishes and transactional in their sexuality. And really, really angry that hot chicks don’t like them for who they are.

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BeachDem  Sep 28, 2016 • 9:52:41pm

re: #48 Lidane

*cough*

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majii  Sep 28, 2016 • 9:54:58pm

re: #96 KGxvi

“This panties in a wad, uptight, fucking bullshit annoys me. It doesn’t matter that she may or may not have been an adult actress. It was and is legal. She was not forced to do it against her will. But then, I’m guessing the people taking shots at her are probably the kind of people who believe sex should only happen in the bedroom, with the lights off, the door locked, and while wearing t-shirts.”

I’ve lived in GA my entire life, over 60 years, and I’ll tell ya, all of the puritanical words and behavior are mainly for public display because quite a few of those saying this sh*t and trying to police others’ behavior are some of the most licentious persons on the planet. Their daughters get pregnant out of wedlock, their sons get girls pregnant, they have multiple affairs while married, they are members of swingers’ clubs, they watch pornography in their homes, they lie, steal, and cheat to advance themselves, etc. If you’ve ever come into close contact with these types of persons, you learn that they’re no paragons of virtue.

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Anymouse  Sep 28, 2016 • 9:56:42pm

re: #19 Trumpia est omnis divisa in duo calathi(Sophist)

Wrong person, but I’ll bite. What I consider one of the key traits of eugenics is that its advocates sought to impose their agenda on other people against their will.

Keeping people who carry fragile X from having kids? Eugenics.

Giving those people the option of editing that gene out? Not eugenics.

Want to prevent epilepsy? Prohibit epileptics from marrying like many states did, institutionalise them like my state did, sterilise them like North Carolina did, or kill them like Germany did.

Yes, gene editing is nothing more than a high-tech version of the “good baby” fairs in the USA and the Aryan Ideal in Germany. In the USA, eugenics was overwhelmingly applied to the poor and minorities who could not fight it off.

I missed out on being called “feebleminded” and institutionalised by only a few years in Michigan. (Infantile seizures were sufficient to institutionalise someone with the power of the state for life.)

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Sep 28, 2016 • 9:57:24pm

re: #106 The Ghost of a Flea

See, I’d wager the opposite.

Vast archived porn and a total confidence that everybody else in the world is just as outre in their fetishes and transactional in their sexuality. And really, really angry that hot chicks don’t like them for who they are.

The whole premise that Machado did porn depends on one person finding a porn actress who sort of looks like Machado and claiming she *is* Machado. Porn sites have compounded the problem by putting Machado’s name in video descriptions and metatags to get more clicks. With all the usual RWNJs parroting the same BS, Google hits on “Machado porn” will now turn up nothing but sites saying she did it, unless you drill down to find Snopes or Daily Beast spitting into the wind saying she never did porn.

Outwardly, these people say they are appalled, appalled, I say, that Machado might have done porn flicks. Inwardly, they’re wondering how they can watch those videos just to see her (or Angel Dark) in action.

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KGxvi  Sep 28, 2016 • 9:58:16pm

re: #106 The Ghost of a Flea

See, I’d wager the opposite.

Vast archived porn and a total confidence that everybody else in the world is just as outre in their fetishes and transactional in their sexuality. And really, really angry that hot chicks don’t like them for who they are.

I suppose there is the old idea that puritanism is the unwavering fear that someone, somewhere is having a good time. But I think there’s probably two kinds of socons on this. The kind that I mentioned, I think are the kind that believe sex is gross and you need to just lay back and think of England ‘Merka. Then there’s the type like you mention who are actually into it but pretend it’s gross and terrible so that they fit in with their tribe.

There may also be a third group who are basically the grifters that tell their marks flock that sex is terrible while not believing it themselves and eventually get caught with a wide stance in an airport bathroom or a rent boy in Thailand. But they could just be a rich version of group two.

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KGxvi  Sep 28, 2016 • 10:01:53pm

re: #108 majii

“This panties in a wad, uptight, fucking bullshit annoys me. It doesn’t matter that she may or may not have been an adult actress. It was and is legal. She was not forced to do it against her will. But then, I’m guessing the people taking shots at her are probably the kind of people who believe sex should only happen in the bedroom, with the lights off, the door locked, and while wearing t-shirts.”

I’ve lived in GA my entire life, over 60 years, and I’ll tell ya, all of the puritanical words and behavior are mainly for public display because quite a few of those saying this sh*t and trying to police others’ behavior are some of the most licentious persons on the planet. Their daughters get pregnant out of wedlock, their sons get girls pregnant, they have multiple affairs while married, they are members of swingers’ clubs, they watch pornography in their homes, they lie, steal, and cheat to advance themselves, etc. If you’ve ever come into close contact with these types of persons, you learn that they’re no paragons of virtue.

Oh, I know full well that it it often the case that the most outwardly righteous tend to have the most skeletons in the closet. I think it’s probably just more my general annoyance with our society’s inability to deal with sex things in any way other than flipping the fuck out.

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The Ghost of a Flea  Sep 28, 2016 • 10:07:17pm

re: #111 KGxvi

Thing is, even the most intense “puritans” tend to hold that sex, while sacred and belonging solely within the marital bond, is still about the guy getting off whenever he wants—the wife gets no say. So even though there’s a by-the-book constraint on dude’s sexuality, there’s also a complex series of excuses that make sexual impropriety by men a problem of women being (1) inappropriately unavailable, if married; (2) inappropriately available, if unmarried.

Basically, there’s a huge overlap between the two circles of the Venn diagram—puritans and hypocrites—because supposedly-rigid sexual ethics actually bend and twist to reflect a power hierarchy in which men trump women, old men trump younger men, and those with salient power—money, influence, position—trump those without.

This can be seen pretty much any time there’s a sex scandal.

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Anymouse  Sep 28, 2016 • 10:15:28pm

On the issue of the drugs given to me, it seems that was enough narcotics to kill a stadium full of rock-and-rollers.

Apparently I went into the wrong line of work, because I survived; though I was sick this afternoon (and now), I apparently have a constitution of an ox.

Another strange thing: The X-ray department took x-rays of my chest first. They then told me the photos did not come out “because I am too thin” and they took them again. They then told me they did not come out properly because my lungs are too big. I asked them if they were going to give me a dosimeter for all the X-rays.

Additional: Wow, on good loopytimes VA drugs after surgery, all I can say about Wonkette is it takes on a whole new dimension.

FOX News Reminds Stupid FOX News Hosts Not to Be So Stupid All The Time

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Anymouse  Sep 28, 2016 • 10:39:23pm

Captioning Contest:

Image: b0c1f30203fd08c9e69097bdd8bfa5cc542767480c9325f5c36f393e4bbb012a.jpg

Picture of Donald Trump with four other people (including family members). The facial expression on the fellow on the left is priceless.

Challenge: Caption each person’s thoughts.

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Sherlock Hound  Sep 28, 2016 • 10:40:26pm

re: #113 The Ghost of a Flea

There’s always been a kind of prurience about sex. It’s so disgusting that you need to know just how disgusting it is! (As the old joke goes, this film must be censored for your protection, but of course, It will be evaluated. Many times, and with an emphasis on the worst scenes!)

Whenever I hear of people clucking about some new sexual thing (or a new definition in Urban Dictionary, virtually the same thing), I always have two reactions: “Wow, people do this?” and “You sound really wound up telling me how bad this is. That isn’t excitement I hear, is it?”

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goddamnedfrank  Sep 28, 2016 • 10:41:08pm
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austin_blue  Sep 28, 2016 • 10:48:37pm

Well! It’s been an interesting day, hasn’t it?

The Drumpfenscheisse have been spinning at about 26,000 RPM to try to explain their Fuhrer’s inability to vanquish That Woman. This is no longer reality, it’s become a total farce.

Of course he cratered in the debate. He’s incapable of debating. Of course he looked like an eight-year old child. He has the temperament of an eight-year old child. Of course his spox are desperately trying to deflect that he had such a disaster. He’s a disaster.

Time for bed, tonight’s single is a Laphroaig ten-year old.

Sweet dreams, dear friends. Don’t slack off. Register, register, register, and GOTV.

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teleskiguy  Sep 28, 2016 • 10:50:41pm

re: #117 goddamnedfrank

Dude, I know a couple of people who are approaching 80 years old and they still ski and *none of them* have that rank saggy neck fat that The Donald™ is displaying in your #117.

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goddamnedfrank  Sep 28, 2016 • 10:58:03pm
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teleskiguy  Sep 28, 2016 • 11:09:59pm

Instagram

Enjoying it while it lasts. #VeggiesRock

Instagram

Flying
@jonathanselkowitz

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goddamnedfrank  Sep 28, 2016 • 11:21:34pm
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Dr. Lexus  Sep 29, 2016 • 12:03:22am

re: #123 goddamnedfrank

Press the boot. Gently. If not now, When?

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Teukka  Sep 29, 2016 • 12:17:42am

re: #128 Kragar

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Kragar  Sep 29, 2016 • 12:32:14am

Fuuuuuuck

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William Lewis  Sep 29, 2016 • 12:34:36am

re: #128 Kragar

That might actually be helpful in Florida, though I’m not sure about the rest of the country. Won’t change any fascist’s minds and I doubt anyone still undecided will care about that.

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Dr. Lexus  Sep 29, 2016 • 12:35:06am
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Dr. Lexus  Sep 29, 2016 • 12:42:37am

re: #135 Kragar

You monster.

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Kragar  Sep 29, 2016 • 12:44:46am
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majii  Sep 29, 2016 • 12:45:51am

re: #130 Kragar

HRC running campaign ads with Trump saying what she claims he said in his own words, in his own voice is why he hates the ads so much. He can lie and claim he didn’t say this or that, but the tapes of him saying it don’t lie. Even though he knows her ads contain snippets of him saying what she accuses him of saying, it still hasn’t taught him to modify his language. I remember the old adage my parents used to tell me, “One day your mouth is going to get you in trouble,” and in Trump’s case, his day has come, in spades.

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Single-handed sailor  Sep 29, 2016 • 1:33:08am

I’m watching a cam capture of Star Trek Beyond because there’s ….

Bruce Springsteen, 57 Channels and Nothings On

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Single-handed sailor  Sep 29, 2016 • 1:34:34am

re: #147 Kragar

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Swift2991  Sep 29, 2016 • 1:35:10am

I don’t think they understand anything as true except conspiracy theories. There is a GOOD, that WE possess and or embody, and it is being assaulted by inferior beings. Why do they hate us? Well, it’s a conspiracy by wicked people. Coming from Mexico. With suicide bombs. And drugs! Looting and murdering 24-hours a day. Taking away all the things we love, like segregation and slaves and yelling at people and forcing them to do what we say.

It’s so tragic that the party of Lincoln has become the party of George Lincoln Rockwell.

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Timothy Watson  Sep 29, 2016 • 2:18:19am

I forgot to mention this yesterday, but Trump attacked Clinton yesterday for failing her Washington, D.C.’s bar exam and he acted like it was a big secret.

It was so secret that she mentioned in her autobiography, Living History.

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VegasGolfer  Sep 29, 2016 • 3:38:30am

re: #151 Timothy Watson

I forgot to mention this yesterday, but Trump attacked Clinton yesterday for failing her Washington, D.C.’s bar exam and he acted like it was a big secret.

It was so secret that she mentioned in her autobiography, Living History.

It was also on frontline this week too. this is probably where he saw it, because he doesn’t like to read.

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dangerman  Sep 29, 2016 • 4:33:48am

ok, weve probably moved on and it may have been obvious to everyone but me, because im kinda slow:

electoral-vote.com

The Miss Universe thing was not an accident. “It was a trap that Clinton has been planning for weeks:

The interesting thing about the video is not so much what Machado says in it, but the fact that it undoubtedly took weeks to collect the 34 clips in the video (including some old footage), add transitions and subtitles (Machado speaks in Spanish in the video), and generally put together a very professional ad. Clinton’s bringing this up during the debate—and near the end to maximize the chance of people’s remembering it—was no accident or idea that suddenly popped into her head

he was played. and now the breadth and depth of it is obvious even to me
he was so obviously played

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Jayleia  Sep 29, 2016 • 4:39:48am

Hey, can somebody here ‘shop Trump’s head onto Khan Noonien Singh, since Trump’s a fan of Eugenics…

And also…

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Targetpractice  Sep 29, 2016 • 4:47:37am

re: #154 dangerman

ok, weve probably moved on and it may have been obvious to everyone but me, because im kinda slow:

electoral-vote.com

The Miss Universe thing was not an accident. “It was a trap that Clinton has been planning for weeks:

he was played. and now the breadth and depth of it is obvious even to me
he was so obviously played

That is really what made Monday night such a spectacle, the Trump kept chomping at the bait like his life depended upon it. That’s what makes all the talk about her having the questions “in advance” such a joke, that having the questions would not have prepared her for dealing with Trump’s bullshit. Personally I think it’s the standard projection, that NBC slipped Holt’s questions to the Trump campaign and he had some prepared bullshit ready to go, but they she flipped the script by hitting every pressure point he had and creating some new ones.

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dangerman  Sep 29, 2016 • 4:48:44am

i dont think it was calculated or planned

and i dont think theres a monolothic “media” that coordinates stuff like this

just an idea thats been percolating since monday -

for most of the year the media has neither done its homework/due dilligence nor really been accurate with trump - “misstatements” vs lies and like that (ex Farhenthold)

now it seems there is a drip drip thats becoming more realistic, objective, accurate, widespread and cutting

it may have begun before the debate because the whole thing was growing to be too much to ignore

still i think something happened at the debate
it was his chance (and the media to let him) to look presidential and at least plausable for the job.
and now it would be almost criminal to ignore it all because 80 or 100m or so people saw for themselves. now it’s like “public” and out there

theres really no denying the behavior or the specific issues raised there (taxes, Ms. Universe).

so now the media has cover and can hide behind being “responsible”

mostly i think there may have been some sense before that they didnt want to put their fingers too much on the scales. they could have eviscerated him long ago. with very little work as were seeing now, it would have been easy.

and maybe looked and clearly been their fault for obviously influencing the outcome either of the primary or simply leaving clinton with no real competition.

and since its still not too late, they can say he set himself up and now theyre just “doing their job”, whether they did before or not.

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dangerman  Sep 29, 2016 • 4:55:05am

re: #156 Targetpractice

That is really what made Monday night such a spectacle, the Trump kept chomping at the bait like his life depended upon it. ….

yes and that he still cant stop three days later
the guy’s not just digging a hole
he went from

to

or i guess more like

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Pawn of the Oppressor  Sep 29, 2016 • 5:06:53am

I saw a theory about “eye signals” from some place called “Conservatives Against Obama’s Liberal Agenda” re-spammed by a friend on Facebook. I guess her eye movements prove she was getting cues to “cheat”… Or something. Whatever that fucking means.

Kinda funny how these proud patriots turn into Oliver Stone after a bong hit when things don’t go their way.

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Targetpractice  Sep 29, 2016 • 5:11:43am

The big difference between an experienced politician and a bullshit artist was the way they each handled topics that have judged as “troubling” for their campaigns.

When Hillary got asked about the emails, she didn’t dissolve into a long missive about how it wasn’t important or nobody cared about it, she didn’t try to absolve herself of any guilt by bringing up the FBI’s report or the various legal experts who’ve weighed in, and she didn’t try to deny that she’d done anything wrong. She admitted it was a mistake, she regretted the decision, and she apologized for it. You could tell right away that the wind had been taken out of Little Donny’s sails by that response.

With Trump, all he did in the debate was make excuses. Tax returns? “I’m being audited.” Birtherism? “Hillary started it!” Income taxes? “Smart to pay nothing!” Stiffed workers their pay? “Called doing business!” The man never, ever took any responsibility for anything he did wrong. And that’s how Hillary destroyed him in the media’s eyes, by showing that you can be critical of him and look good for doing so. It wasn’t the GOP primaries where attacks on him sounded like changing the topic, it sounded like a line by line evisceration of the tough guy persona he’s built up around him.

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Dr. Matt  Sep 29, 2016 • 5:26:53am
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lawhawk  Sep 29, 2016 • 5:31:16am

Greets and saluts from the overcast NYC metro area. Must be a conspiracy for the weather, seeing how the gloom surrounding the Trump campaign continues to take a toll.

We’re at the point now where Trump’s going all Black Knight and claim that every new utterance or expose on Trump’s financial chicanery is a flesh wound; that he’s leading in all the polls that count (online clickbait ones), all while he hemorrhages votes and support.

Actually, we’ve been at that point for a while, but the debate cast that in stone. Trump can’t handle anyone standing up to his baffling BS and calling it for what it is. Trump had no place to hide on the stage, so he was left to saying that Clinton lied or was wrong - when she clearly wasn’t.

And instead of moving on, Trump doubles down on every insane utterance. Far from being tactical or strategic in going after Clinton on economic policy (his so-called strong suit), he’s now spent the past 54 hours attacking a former Miss Universe.

In Trump’s mind, this must be a tactical decision to avert attention away from the fact that every major poll done since the debate has shown him losing ground to Clinton. Trump’s strategy when facing adversity is to throw even more BS out there, figuring it’ll dilute the attacks on whatever crisis of the day he’s dealing with. However, he’s at the point where the pool of BS is now full up with 100% crap, and there’s no hiding.

Clinton has been preparing for Trump for months. She has dealt with Trump’s types of attacks for a generation now. They don’t have the effect on her that he thinks they would. Not that he cares. His ego wouldn’t let him adjust on the fly anyways. That too would be an admission he’s doing badly.

So the Trump shitshow 2016 rolls on. Bring more Charmin, because who knows what he’ll say next.

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lawhawk  Sep 29, 2016 • 5:34:16am

Trigger warning in effect:

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dangerman  Sep 29, 2016 • 5:37:23am

re: #147 Kragar

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Trump pays far more in taxes than Hillary. How? All those people he employs pay taxes.

Kragar @Kragar_LGF
Honestly Bill, how fucking stupid are you?

ok i got two minutes

bill, we are talking about personal income taxes not employment taxes

but if you are referring to the employer’s portion of employment taxes, thats bullshit because by that standard anyone who doesnt have a business or employees *pays no taxes*

or were you referring to the fact that trump pays people and they pay taxes - both FICA and income taxes. nope, still bullshit. thats the i pay for my employees healthcare because i pay the bill for them instead of paying them salary crap

actually - you could have gone for property taxes. trump pays way way more than clinton. no argument
still bullshit but you coulda tried
because i’d still say anyone who doesnt own real property *doesnt pay any taxes*

tell me bill, does a person who rents an apartment pay property taxes? cause if they dont then we pretty much know how fucking stupid you are cause you just negated all the other arguments

didnt even take two minutes

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dangerman  Sep 29, 2016 • 5:38:13am

re: #161 Dr. Matt

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this is becoming a trend

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jeffreyw  Sep 29, 2016 • 5:39:28am

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Timothy Watson  Sep 29, 2016 • 5:39:57am

re: #161 Dr. Matt

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Detroit is in shambles! Elect me and I will help it bigly!

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dangerman  Sep 29, 2016 • 5:41:51am

re: #162 lawhawk

Actually, we’ve been at that point for a while, but the debate cast that in stone.

a concise summary of what i was trying to say re the media in #157

now that its been set, and set by him, they wont be seen as trying to sway things

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dangerman  Sep 29, 2016 • 5:43:11am

re: #166 jeffreyw

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Good morning!

while i fall deeper in love with you every day, i am so glad my arteries are nowhere near you

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Dr. Matt  Sep 29, 2016 • 5:43:19am
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Targetpractice  Sep 29, 2016 • 5:46:22am

re: #162 lawhawk

Greets and saluts from the overcast NYC metro area. Must be a conspiracy for the weather, seeing how the gloom surrounding the Trump campaign continues to take a toll.

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We’re at the point now where Trump’s going all Black Knight and claim that every new utterance or expose on Trump’s financial chicanery is a flesh wound; that he’s leading in all the polls that count (online clickbait ones), all while he hemorrhages votes and support.

Actually, we’ve been at that point for a while, but the debate cast that in stone. Trump can’t handle anyone standing up to his baffling BS and calling it for what it is. Trump had no place to hide on the stage, so he was left to saying that Clinton lied or was wrong - when she clearly wasn’t.

And instead of moving on, Trump doubles down on every insane utterance. Far from being tactical or strategic in going after Clinton on economic policy (his so-called strong suit), he’s now spent the past 54 hours attacking a former Miss Universe.

In Trump’s mind, this must be a tactical decision to avert attention away from the fact that every major poll done since the debate has shown him losing ground to Clinton. Trump’s strategy when facing adversity is to throw even more BS out there, figuring it’ll dilute the attacks on whatever crisis of the day he’s dealing with. However, he’s at the point where the pool of BS is now full up with 100% crap, and there’s no hiding.

Clinton has been preparing for Trump for months. She has dealt with Trump’s types of attacks for a generation now. They don’t have the effect on her that he thinks they would. Not that he cares. His ego wouldn’t let him adjust on the fly anyways. That too would be an admission he’s doing badly.

So the Trump shitshow 2016 rolls on. Bring more Charmin, because who knows what he’ll say next.

A competent campaign would right now be making noises about better preparing for the next debate and promising a better performance, before going after Hillary for any perceived “gaffes” in Monday’s performance (i.e. “gold standard”). But Trump’s isn’t a competent campaign, so it’s engaged in a lot of excuse-making about the debate while continuing to double down on all the lies and excuses made during said debate. As the old sayin’ goes, “if you’re explaining, you’re losing.” And since all Trump’s done since Monday is explain, it’s pretty obvious he’s not winning.

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Timothy Watson  Sep 29, 2016 • 5:48:25am

Did I miss the media coverage of former Senator John Warner’s endorsement of Clinton or are they just not covering it very much?

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Dr. Matt  Sep 29, 2016 • 5:49:18am
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Targetpractice  Sep 29, 2016 • 5:52:29am

re: #173 Dr. Matt

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dangerman  Sep 29, 2016 • 5:52:50am

re: #171 Targetpractice

A competent campaign would right now be making noises about better preparing for the next debate and promising a better performance, before going after Hillary for any perceived “gaffes” in Monday’s performance (i.e. “gold standard”). But Trump’s isn’t a competent campaign, so it’s engaged in a lot of excuse-making about the debate while continuing to double down on all the lies and excuses made during said debate. As the old sayin’ goes, “if you’re explaining, you’re losing.” And since all Trump’s done since Monday is explain, it’s pretty obvious he’s not winning.

he gets mad every time he smacks into reality

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dangerman  Sep 29, 2016 • 5:55:51am

re: #173 Dr. Matt

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this guy merits no ones time or attention any more

9% my ass
only political infants would vote for this over clinton

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Dr. Matt  Sep 29, 2016 • 5:57:00am

re: #165 dangerman

this is becoming a trend

USA Today has a nice summary of traditional conservative ed boards ditching the Don.
google.com

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lawhawk  Sep 29, 2016 • 5:58:21am

Trump’s going to maximize his chances … of losing… by not changing a thing about how he goes into the second debate. He thinks anyone talking about him losing the first debate is wrong, and undermining his arguments.

Yeah, this is a healthy mindset.

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Targetpractice  Sep 29, 2016 • 5:58:24am

re: #177 Dr. Matt

USA Today has a nice summary of traditional conservative ed boards ditching the Don.
google.com

It’s become a flood since Monday. I think they were really holding off until the first debate, in the hope that he could possibly pull it off.

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lawhawk  Sep 29, 2016 • 6:05:59am

The Mrs. has already made it into the office, so she’s okay, but there are injuries being reported as a NJ Transit train struck the end-bumper at Hoboken Terminal.

Developing…

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lawhawk  Sep 29, 2016 • 6:09:34am

re: #180 lawhawk

Reports are showing that the train didn’t stop, went through the bumper and crashed into the waiting area at the end of the platform. Structural damage being reported as well.

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lawhawk  Sep 29, 2016 • 6:14:25am

Holy SHIT

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lawhawk  Sep 29, 2016 • 6:16:58am

re: #182 lawhawk

That’s a NJ Transit lead car that barreled all the way into the terminal building itself; the canopy area collapsed.

To say that this is a major service disruption is an understatement.

The train barreled right into an area that has been occupied by a food vendor, but that location has been closed for a couple of months. Had it been open, we’d be talking about trapped persons and likely fatalities there. As it is, I’m seeing reports of injuries, but not conditions.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 29, 2016 • 6:17:41am

re: #182 lawhawk

oh, wow

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lawhawk  Sep 29, 2016 • 6:19:32am

re: #184 Backwoods_Sleuth

Yeah, my colleagues and I use the station regularly. I’ve been commuting through Hoboken for more than 15 years. That train went through the end bumper as though it didn’t even exist.

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lawhawk  Sep 29, 2016 • 6:20:06am

PATH is suspended in and out of Hoboken as well.

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dangerman  Sep 29, 2016 • 6:20:56am

a trump supporter actually said this:

I believe there is a side of Trump we don’t get to see

we are entering rainbow magical unicorn fairy territory

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 29, 2016 • 6:21:14am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 29, 2016 • 6:22:05am

re: #185 lawhawk

Yeah, my colleagues and I use the station regularly. I’ve been commuting through Hoboken for more than 15 years. That train went through the end bumper as though it didn’t even exist.

It’s like a scene from Silver Streak.

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dangerman  Sep 29, 2016 • 6:24:34am

re: #188 Backwoods_Sleuth

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if that conway woman has any conscience at all, she probably drinks heavily

or else, like hoft, she’s just an idiot

“he’s gotten very little credit for not calling her a bitch”

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Great White Snark  Sep 29, 2016 • 6:25:11am

re: #185 lawhawk

People forget the sheer mass of the train. I suspect we will get word of this as a mass casualty call out. Unless that end of the station was empty.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 29, 2016 • 6:25:51am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 29, 2016 • 6:29:01am
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lawhawk  Sep 29, 2016 • 6:30:16am

re: #191 Great White Snark

People forget the sheer mass of the train. I suspect we will get word of this as a mas casualty call out. Unless that end of the station was empty.

That’s doubtful. At this hour, there’d be the potential for hundreds of people in that area since that’s right before the PATH entrance. This accident appears to be on Track 4 or 5, which effectively cuts off unaffected tracks from access to the rest of Hoboken and the PATH. With the structural issues, not sure how quickly service gets restored.

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makeitstop  Sep 29, 2016 • 6:30:33am

re: #178 lawhawk

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Yeah, this is a healthy mindset.

What a recipe for a beautiful train wreck. Please proceed, Chubby.

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Sir John Barron  Sep 29, 2016 • 6:31:02am
‘Google’s search engine was suppressing the bad news about Hillary Clinton,’ Trump tells Waukesha WI pic.twitter.com
— Michael Finnegan

Is this Election over yet?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 29, 2016 • 6:31:19am
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Sir John Barron  Sep 29, 2016 • 6:32:31am

re: #188 Backwoods_Sleuth

Conway tells @megynkelly that Trump hasn’t received enough credit for calling Clinton “Secretary Clinton,” her most recent title: pic.twitter.com
— Sopan Deb

Goal posts taken down, moved, thrown into river.

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Jayleia  Sep 29, 2016 • 6:32:50am

re: #196 Sir John Barron

Is this Election over yet?

Can’t be over yet, I still have some popcorn left.

Need MOAR!
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lawhawk  Sep 29, 2016 • 6:33:38am

ABC is reporting up to 100 injured.

From all indications, the train didn’t slow down, so they’ve got to look at both mechanical failure or an engineer failure (medical or otherwise).

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Sir John Barron  Sep 29, 2016 • 6:34:07am

re: #152 VegasGolfer

It was also on frontline this week too. this is probably where he saw it, because he doesn’t like to read.

He’s mentioned it before.

It’s a real winner for him.

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dangerman  Sep 29, 2016 • 6:34:27am

re: #198 Sir John Barron

Goal posts taken down, moved, thrown into river.

i heard someone say this is like giving a man credit for putting the toilet seat down

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Lidane  Sep 29, 2016 • 6:34:30am

re: Trump and Newt

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Sep 29, 2016 • 6:35:15am

re: #154 dangerman

ok, weve probably moved on and it may have been obvious to everyone but me, because im kinda slow:

electoral-vote.com

The Miss Universe thing was not an accident. “It was a trap that Clinton has been planning for weeks:

he was played. and now the breadth and depth of it is obvious even to me
he was so obviously played

Yeah, I think Hillary might have had some experience with this kind of stuff, and she people around her who do, too.

As chess players say, some players have tactics (Trump), other have strategy (Clinton), and usually the strategists win.

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lawhawk  Sep 29, 2016 • 6:35:20am

Former boss was on the train. She’s okay because she was sitting down; many of the injuries were among those who were standing awaiting to disembark at the end of the line.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 29, 2016 • 6:35:30am

re: #200 lawhawk

ABC is reporting up to 100 injured.

From all indications, the train didn’t slow down, so they’ve got to look at both mechanical failure or an engineer failure (medical or otherwise).

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Sir John Barron  Sep 29, 2016 • 6:35:54am

re: #138 majii

HRC running campaign ads with Trump saying what she claims he said in his own words, in his own voice is why he hates the ads so much. He can lie and claim he didn’t say this or that, but the tapes of him saying it don’t lie. Even though he knows her ads contain snippets of him saying what she accuses him of saying, it still hasn’t taught him to modify his language. I remember the old adage my parents used to tell me, “One day your mouth is going to get you in trouble,” and in Trump’s case, his day has come, in spades.

Lies! All lies! Very unfair! Corrupt crooked Hillary, quoting my own words without asking!

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Eventual Carrion  Sep 29, 2016 • 6:36:13am

re: #96 KGxvi

This panties in a wad, uptight, fucking bullshit annoys me. It doesn’t matter that she may or may not have been an adult actress. It was and is legal. She was not forced to do it against her will. But then, I’m guessing the people taking shots at her are probably the kind of people who believe sex should only happen in the bedroom, with the lights off, the door locked, and while wearing t-shirts.

Hell they’re the consumers that keep the porn industry profitable.

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dangerman  Sep 29, 2016 • 6:37:23am

re: #203 Lidane

re: Trump and Newt

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Targetpractice  Sep 29, 2016 • 6:39:49am

re: #207 Sir John Barron

Lies! All lies! Very unfair! Corrupt crooked Hillary, quoting my own words without asking!

That had to be the capper on the night, Donald actually looking to her and admonishing her for “mean” ads being used against him. The guy who has spent the better part of the last two years ranting that people spend too much time watching what they say is getting on his opponent for not being nice to him.

Jokes that write themselves.

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Great White Snark  Sep 29, 2016 • 6:40:23am

re: #194 lawhawk

That’s doubtful. At this hour, there’d be the potential for hundreds of people in that area since that’s right before the PATH entrance. This accident appears to be on Track 4 or 5, which effectively cuts off unaffected tracks from access to the rest of Hoboken and the PATH. With the structural issues, not sure how quickly service gets restored.

LA News has nothing but tidbits, these images above are way ahead. Hoping for the best but got that bad feeling.

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b.d.  Sep 29, 2016 • 6:40:30am

re: #200 lawhawk

ABC is reporting up to 100 injured.

From all indications, the train didn’t slow down, so they’ve got to look at both mechanical failure or an engineer failure (medical or otherwise).

I wonder if the engineer is gay or not? Isn’t that what the wingnuts claim caused the last train crash?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 29, 2016 • 6:40:39am
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Lidane  Sep 29, 2016 • 6:42:37am

re: #213 Backwoods_Sleuth

That’s going to hurt him in Florida. Good.

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dangerman  Sep 29, 2016 • 6:44:06am

re: #210 Targetpractice

That had to be the capper on the night, Donald actually looking to her and admonishing her for “mean” ads being used against him. The guy who has spent the better part of the last two years ranting that people spend too much time watching what they say is getting on his opponent for not being nice to him.

Jokes that write themselves.

a man who we are learning more and more has spent the better part of his life demeaning people for all sorts of reasons - he’s an equal opportunity pig

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A wild WITHAK appeared!  Sep 29, 2016 • 6:45:37am

I can’t decide which of @kurteichenwald or @Fahrenthold deserves the Pulitzer more.

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lawhawk  Sep 29, 2016 • 6:46:00am

I’m paging the ongoing situation in Hoboken.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 29, 2016 • 6:48:06am
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Belafon  Sep 29, 2016 • 6:49:35am

re: #216 A wild WITHAK appeared!

I can’t decide which of @kurteichenwald or @Fahrenthold deserves the Pulitzer more.

I would only go with Fahrenthold because he’s been doing it longer and digging through more crap. But yeah, it would be close.

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dangerman  Sep 29, 2016 • 6:49:43am

re: #216 A wild WITHAK appeared!

I can’t decide which of @kurteichenwald or @Fahrenthold deserves the Pulitzer more.

“this year the pulitzer committee is breaking from tradition.
we are awarding prizes to all the reporters who demonstrated what investigative reporting looks like.

kurt, david, come on up”

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Targetpractice  Sep 29, 2016 • 6:50:11am

re: #213 Backwoods_Sleuth

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“But emails! Clinton Foundation!!!”

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Sir John Barron  Sep 29, 2016 • 6:50:14am

re: #10 No Country For Old Haters

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WTF?

Oh that’s just Donald being himself.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 29, 2016 • 6:50:18am

“troubling”….

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lawhawk  Sep 29, 2016 • 6:52:49am

Live feed coverage of Hoboken train crash.

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Sir John Barron  Sep 29, 2016 • 6:52:58am

re: #21 BeachDem

Wonkette’s Rebecca summarizes Chelsea’s Cosmo interview (as only she can)
Shorter Chelsea Clinton: Too bad Trump’s too stupid to talk about real things, our family business is our family business, and also fuck him sideways with a sharp piece of driftwood. Chelsea Clinton later said that her sense of morality and decency wouldn’t allow her to bring up what a nasty adulterous slut-puppy her friend Ivanka’s dad is, HAHAHA just kidding, that is a Wonkette joke, but it’s true.

wonkette.com

The best part is the photo caption: Ready on day one to be the First Daughter again!

Awwww

Chelsea SMASH!

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Sir John Barron  Sep 29, 2016 • 6:54:11am

re: #223 Backwoods_Sleuth

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“troubling”….

Rubio hasn’t gotten the memo. Or maybe the rwnj good squad hasn’t released one yet on this matter.

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Jayleia  Sep 29, 2016 • 6:54:16am

re: #216 A wild WITHAK appeared!

I can’t decide which of @kurteichenwald or @Fahrenthold deserves the Pulitzer more.

All of them, Katie.

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darthstar  Sep 29, 2016 • 6:55:13am

re: #183 lawhawk

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That’s a NJ Transit lead car that barreled all the way into the terminal building itself; the canopy area collapsed.

To say that this is a major service disruption is an understatement.

The train barreled right into an area that has been occupied by a food vendor, but that location has been closed for a couple of months. Had it been open, we’d be talking about trapped persons and likely fatalities there. As it is, I’m seeing reports of injuries, but not conditions.

He’s not supposed to park there.

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b.d.  Sep 29, 2016 • 6:55:28am

So Trump was palling around with Castro?

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Sir John Barron  Sep 29, 2016 • 6:55:49am

re: #172 Timothy Watson

Did I miss the media coverage of former Senator John Warner’s endorsement of Clinton or are they just not covering it very much?

It was in the Wash Post this morning.

Don’t know about TV. Maybe Chuck Toddler could mention it. Morning Joe—ha ha what am I kidding?

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Targetpractice  Sep 29, 2016 • 6:56:15am

re: #223 Backwoods_Sleuth

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“troubling”….

That’s probably the strongest remark you’ll get. The rest will either duck the question or go “Well, I haven’t read the article…” or “I’m not familiar with the story…”

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lawhawk  Sep 29, 2016 • 6:56:33am

re: #228 darthstar

What, you mean that was a no parking zone?

Sacre bleu:

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Sep 29, 2016 • 6:56:40am

re: #212 b.d.

I wonder if the engineer is gay or not? Isn’t that what the wingnuts claim caused the last train crash?

Rage Furby claimed first the engineer was black, then he was gay, and claimed gay people were more prone to depression and doing drugs, so there ya go.

His usual total bullshit

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b.d.  Sep 29, 2016 • 6:57:55am

Why did Governor Christie allow this train wreck to happen in his state?!?!

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A wild WITHAK appeared!  Sep 29, 2016 • 6:58:43am

re: #231 Targetpractice

That’s probably the strongest remark you’ll get. The rest will either duck the question or go “Well, I haven’t read the article…” or “I’m not familiar with the story…”

I dunno. Rubio is calculating and self-serving enough that he may decide to go all-in on the Trump/Cuba story to make himself look better in the eyes of his constituents.

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Sir John Barron  Sep 29, 2016 • 6:59:00am

re: #177 Dr. Matt

USA Today has a nice summary of traditional conservative ed boards ditching the Don.
google.com

Which makes wingnuts MAD! Cancel my subscription!!!!! We’re canceling our subscription!!!! Really, we are, don’t try to stop us!!!!!!

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Sir John Barron  Sep 29, 2016 • 6:59:53am

re: #231 Targetpractice

That’s probably the strongest remark you’ll get. The rest will either duck the question or go “Well, I haven’t read the article…” or “I’m not familiar with the story…”

“I don’t watch the news, or read newspapers….”

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b.d.  Sep 29, 2016 • 7:00:38am

[trump] I WENT TO CUBA TO RIP OFF CASTRO, AMERICA SHOULD THANK ME. I GOT THE BETTER OF HIM, BIGLY [/trump]

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Stanley Sea  Sep 29, 2016 • 7:01:42am

re: #188 Backwoods_Sleuth

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That’s the only thing they practiced.

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Skip Intro  Sep 29, 2016 • 7:02:45am

re: #229 b.d.

So Trump was palling around with Castro?

Doesn’t matter. Train crash will bury this story.

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Sir John Barron  Sep 29, 2016 • 7:03:02am

re: #212 b.d.

I wonder if the engineer is gay or not? Isn’t that what the wingnuts claim caused the last train crash?

Worse, may be a Democrat Party and Hillary supporter.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Sep 29, 2016 • 7:03:21am

re: #147 Kragar

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darthstar  Sep 29, 2016 • 7:04:14am

Aw…so sad…fuck these bigots.

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Eventual Carrion  Sep 29, 2016 • 7:04:36am

re: #115 Anymouse

Captioning Contest:

Image: b0c1f30203fd08c9e69097bdd8bfa5cc542767480c9325f5c36f393e4bbb012a.jpg

Picture of Donald Trump with four other people (including family members). The facial expression on the fellow on the left is priceless.

Challenge: Caption each person’s thoughts.

From Left to right:

Damn, it wasn’t a fart

Please lord, make him shutup

Lie, Lie, Lie

I should have stayed in Slovenia

Did she just queef?

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lawhawk  Sep 29, 2016 • 7:05:32am

re: #234 b.d.

If it was a mechanical failure, you can bet the questions will go back to Christie and his inability to properly fund the transportation trust fund (TTF), which includes funding for NJ Transit (he’s been pushing for an estate tax repeal in exchange for raising the gas tax to fund the TTF). We have to wonder whether safety has been compromised because the fund is bankrupt and NJ Transit has to scrimp and save to keep operating.

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Kryptik: Just Done With It.  Sep 29, 2016 • 7:07:33am

re: #180 lawhawk

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The Mrs. has already made it into the office, so she’s okay, but there are injuries being reported as a NJ Transit train struck the end-bumper at Hoboken Terminal.

Developing…

Passed through the station only about 15 minutes prior on the way to the PATH. Just…jesus.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Sep 29, 2016 • 7:07:42am

re: #245 lawhawk

If it was a mechanical failure, you can bet the questions will go back to Christie and his inability to properly fund the transportation trust fund (TTF), which includes funding for NJ Transit (he’s been pushing for an estate tax repeal in exchange for raising the gas tax to fund the TTF). We have to wonder whether safety has been compromised because the fund is bankrupt and NJ Transit has to scrimp and save to keep operating.

Automatic braking systems would have prevented this accident. Similar issue with the Amtrak derailment in Philly — the train was entering a sharp curve at too high a speed.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 29, 2016 • 7:08:10am

re: #231 Targetpractice

That’s probably the strongest remark you’ll get. The rest will either duck the question or go “Well, I haven’t read the article…” or “I’m not familiar with the story…”

They still haven’t been fed with the talking point: “Obama wanted to open trade with Cuba for ages, so what’s the big deal?”

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 29, 2016 • 7:08:49am

re: #240 Skip Intro

Doesn’t matter. Train crash will bury this story.

So it was a drugged gay black man who was working for Trump?

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dangerman  Sep 29, 2016 • 7:11:12am

re: #243 darthstar

Aw…so sad…fuck these bigots.

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“It all flipped, so fast,” said Mr. Odgaard, a patrician 70-year-old who favors khakis and boat shoes. “Suddenly, we were in the minority.

1. that’s why theyre pissed
and
2. welcome to everybody else’s experience

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lawhawk  Sep 29, 2016 • 7:12:20am

re: #247 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

It might have prevented it. PTC is supposed to be implemented by NJ Transit systemwide by 2018 (PATH also has a 2018 date).

They’ve managed to push back the deadlines multiple times at this point.

If PTC is indeed what could have prevented this, expect demands that the upgrades be done more swiftly, putting pressure on Christie to make the funding available.

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dangerman  Sep 29, 2016 • 7:13:10am

re: #248 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

They still haven’t been fed with the talking point: “Obama wanted to open trade with Cuba for ages, so what’s the big deal?”

illegal at the time / rich people “get away with it”, poor people get locked up or shot

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makeitstop  Sep 29, 2016 • 7:14:02am

re: #204 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Yeah, I think Hillary might have had some experience with this kind of stuff, and she people around her who do, too.

As chess players say, some players have tactics (Trump), other have strategy (Clinton), and usually the strategists win.

And I have no doubt they’ve got another one set to go at the next debate.

Plus, she’ll have that Newsweek story to hammer him with. Gon’ be good.

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Le Lapin Tueur  Sep 29, 2016 • 7:14:22am

re: #178 lawhawk

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Trump’s going to maximize his chances … of losing… by not changing a thing about how he goes into the second debate. He thinks anyone talking about him losing the first debate is wrong, and undermining his arguments.

It goes deeper as you well know. His inability to contemplate (that he was smoked in the debate) and his unwillingness to change (assuming he doesn’t) is also indicative of how he would lead (and, from all accounts, currently does lead in his business dealings) the country. And, the only result we can glean is that it would be disastrous. A leader who is blind to his own failings will fail. You need to be able to observer faults to corrects them and not correcting, preferably on the fly (this is where training and practice are imperative) leaves you open to getting your clock cleaned on the international stage.

End result, we lose as a country.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 29, 2016 • 7:14:25am
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GlutenFreeJesus  Sep 29, 2016 • 7:14:50am

re: #187 dangerman

a trump supporter actually said this:

we are entering rainbow magical unicorn fairy territory

It sure aint his backside. It’s YUUUUUUUGE!!!!

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Sep 29, 2016 • 7:15:10am

re: #250 dangerman

1. that’s why theyre pissed
and
2. welcome to everybody else’s experience

In truth, they were always in the minority for the last 50 years or more. Hardline evangelical Christianity that relies on literal interpretation of the Bible hasn’t been a majority within Christianity for a very long time. They were moving backward while everyone else was moving forward.

They may have made some strides toward some dominance in some areas, but taking the USA as a whole, conservative Evangelicals are a distinct (though very noisy and put-upon) minority.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 29, 2016 • 7:15:26am

re: #250 dangerman

1. that’s why theyre pissed
and
2. welcome to everybody else’s experience

The article does almost make them come across as victims instead of as clueless assholes.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 29, 2016 • 7:16:29am

re: #257 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

In truth, they were always in the minority for the last 50 years or more. Hardline evangelical Christianity that relies on literal interpretation of the Bible hasn’t been a majority within Christianity for a very long time. They were moving backward while everyone else was moving forward.

They may have made some strides toward some dominance in some areas, but taking the USA as a whole, conservative Evangelicals are a distinct (though very noisy and put-upon) minority.

Indeed. They never were the majority. I just don’t feel bad for them. They’ve chosen to have their values defined as hostility to LGBT people and people who aren’t Evangelical Christians.

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dangerman  Sep 29, 2016 • 7:17:04am

re: #254 Le Lapin Tueur

It goes deeper as you well know. His inability to contemplate (that he was smoked in the debate) and his unwillingness to change (assuming he doesn’t) is also indicative of how he would lead (and, from all accounts, currently does lead in his business dealings) the country. And, the only result we can glean is that it would be disastrous. A leader who is blind to his own failings will fail. You need to be able to observer faults to corrects them and not correcting, preferably on the fly (this is where training and practice are imperative) leaves you open to getting your clock cleaned on the international stage.

End result, we lose as a country.

winner

plus yesterdays story about his staff having to be “careful” and delicate” in bringing this up and his resistance to even listen and evaluate…

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Sep 29, 2016 • 7:17:06am

re: #254 Le Lapin Tueur

It goes deeper as you well know. His inability to contemplate (that he was smoked in the debate) and his unwillingness to change (assuming he doesn’t) is also indicative of how he would lead (and, from all accounts, currently does lead in his business dealings) the country. And, the only result we can glean is that it would be disastrous. A leader who is blind to his own failings will fail. You need to be able to observer faults to corrects them and not correcting, preferably on the fly (this is where training and practice are imperative) leaves you open to getting your clock cleaned on the international stage.

End result, we lose as a country.

My study of 20th century history brings to mind one notable example of this principle.

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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 29, 2016 • 7:17:06am

There is a concept mentioned in the Talmud, tractate Kiddushin כל הפוסל במומו פוסל “Kol ha’poseil b’mumo poseil”

“Whoever finds flaws in others, reveals the flaws in himself”

It’s a form of DARVO in which a person projects his own failures on others.

A perfect description of Trump.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 29, 2016 • 7:17:18am

re: #243 darthstar

Aw…so sad…fuck these bigots.

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“The change in America seemed to happen so quickly that it felt like whiplash, the Odgaards said. One day they felt comfortably situated in the American majority, as Christians with shared beliefs in God, family and the Bible. They had never even imagined that two people of the same sex could marry.

Overnight, it seemed, they discovered that even in small-town Iowa they were outnumbered, isolated and unpopular. Everyone they knew seemed to have a gay relative or friend. Mr. Odgaard’s daughter from his first marriage disavowed her father’s actions on Facebook, and his gay second cousin will not speak to him. Even their own Mennonite congregation put out a statement saying that while their denomination opposes gay marriage, “not every congregation” or Mennonite does. Mrs. Odgaard, 64, the daughter of a Mennonite minister, was devastated.”

Things generally do change over time but you don’t have to sacrifice your Christian beliefs to comfortably live in a changing world.

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Sir John Barron  Sep 29, 2016 • 7:18:16am

re: #248 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

They still haven’t been fed with the talking point: “Obama wanted to open trade with Cuba for ages, so what’s the big deal?”

“Just proves how smart Trump is! MAGA!”

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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 29, 2016 • 7:18:25am

re: #255 Backwoods_Sleuth

Quick! Get the GOP to cut funding to AMTRAK again!!

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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 29, 2016 • 7:18:40am

Just got a flash flood warning.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 29, 2016 • 7:19:44am

re: #262 The Vicious Babushka

There’s also that Bible verse about not seeing the plank in your own eye.

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lawhawk  Sep 29, 2016 • 7:19:51am

About the Congressional veto override on the 9/11 Saudi legislation. Looks like Sen. Schumer and other sponsors had inserted a provision giving the State Dept the ability to override pending litigation.

nypost.com

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dangerman  Sep 29, 2016 • 7:21:08am

re: #263 Eclectic Cyborg

Things generally do change over time but you don’t have to sacrifice your Christian beliefs to comfortably live in a changing world.

you dont have to sacrifice your beliefs
and no one has to agree with them
and you cant discriminate in the public square

easy

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 29, 2016 • 7:21:27am

re: #268 lawhawk

About the Congressional veto override on the 9/11 Saudi legislation. Looks like Sen. Schumer and other sponsors had inserted a provision giving the State Dept the ability to override pending litigation.

nypost.com

So in the end, it was all just grandstanding…

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dangerman  Sep 29, 2016 • 7:21:31am

re: #266 The Vicious Babushka

Just got a flash flood warning.

because of a train wreck? wow that’s some influence

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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 29, 2016 • 7:21:55am

re: #271 dangerman

because of a train wreck? wow that’s some influence

LOL I’m in Detroit.

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lawhawk  Sep 29, 2016 • 7:22:42am

re: #272 The Vicious Babushka

LOL I’m in Detroit.

It’s the power of the NYC media machine…

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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 29, 2016 • 7:23:00am

Holy shit

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Le Lapin Tueur  Sep 29, 2016 • 7:23:27am

re: #215 dangerman

a man who we are learning more and more has spent the better part of his life demeaning people for all sorts of reasons - he’s an equal opportunity pig

Someone (child?, ex-employee?) said that because tRump treats everyone like shit, he is neither a bigot nor a misogynist.

That someone is a halfwit, but there you have it.

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Dr. Matt  Sep 29, 2016 • 7:25:56am

re: #274 The Vicious Babushka

Be careful out there: Flooding forces parts of Lodge, I-94 to close downtown. detroitnews.com pic.twitter.com
— The Detroit News (@detroitnews) September 29, 2016

That’s what happens when you endorse Gary Johnson.

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makeitstop  Sep 29, 2016 • 7:26:01am

re: #263 Eclectic Cyborg

Things generally do change over time but you don’t have to sacrifice your Christian beliefs to comfortably live in a changing world.

But everything is a zero-sum game with these people. Rather than live and let live, they believe that because gays are now more accepted, they’re losing something in the process.

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Le Lapin Tueur  Sep 29, 2016 • 7:26:11am

re: #21 BeachDem

Wonkette’s Rebecca summarizes Chelsea’s Cosmo interview (as only she can)

The article is great, but it wasn’t written by Rebecca, it was Evan Hurst’s article. Credit where credit is due.

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Targetpractice  Sep 29, 2016 • 7:27:28am

re: #268 lawhawk

About the Congressional veto override on the 9/11 Saudi legislation. Looks like Sen. Schumer and other sponsors had inserted a provision giving the State Dept the ability to override pending litigation.

nypost.com

So it was all smoke and mirrors. Repubs get to “stick it” to the Pres, while Dems get a shield from accusations that they’re protecting the House of Saud from 9/11 families.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Sep 29, 2016 • 7:28:18am

re: #263 Eclectic Cyborg

“The change in America seemed to happen so quickly that it felt like whiplash, the Odgaards said. One day they felt comfortably situated in the American majority, as Christians with shared beliefs in God, family and the Bible. They had never even imagined that two people of the same sex could marry.

Overnight, it seemed, they discovered that even in small-town Iowa they were outnumbered, isolated and unpopular. Everyone they knew seemed to have a gay relative or friend. Mr. Odgaard’s daughter from his first marriage disavowed her father’s actions on Facebook, and his gay second cousin will not speak to him. Even their own Mennonite congregation put out a statement saying that while their denomination opposes gay marriage, “not every congregation” or Mennonite does. Mrs. Odgaard, 64, the daughter of a Mennonite minister, was devastated.”

Things generally do change over time but you don’t have to sacrifice your Christian beliefs to comfortably live in a changing world.

Mennonites and Quakers (Society of Friends) are decentralized in that way. Quaker faith and practice issues advices to local Meetings to consider. Some local meetings will follow the advices, while others will take much longer to accept them. When I was active in the Friends, the issue of same sex marriage was not yet an issue, but the acceptance of LGBTQ people as full members was for some meetings problematic. Quakers reach decisions by consensus, so if even one Friend disagreed, decisions could be stalled a long time.

There are also liberal Quakers and Mennonites and conservatives, and everyone in between. I don’t really understand why these folks are bewildered that the Mennonites are not a monolithic entity. That was kinda the whole point of the Mennonites from the beginning.

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Jayleia  Sep 29, 2016 • 7:29:14am

re: #275 Le Lapin Tueur

So he’s a misanthrope…at least he’s an equal opportunity dickbag.

That’s almost like an improvement.

ALMOST.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 29, 2016 • 7:29:55am

re: #279 Targetpractice

So it was all smoke and mirrors. Repubs get to “stick it” to the Pres, while Dems get a shield from accusations that they’re protecting the House of Saud from 9/11 families.

I seem to recall a couple of Presidents (whose names include the letters G W and B) who were very, very close to the Saudis, both before and after 9/11…

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GlutenFreeJesus  Sep 29, 2016 • 7:30:16am

re: #254 Le Lapin Tueur

It goes deeper as you well know. His inability to contemplate (that he was smoked in the debate) and his unwillingness to change (assuming he doesn’t) is also indicative of how he would lead (and, from all accounts, currently does lead in his business dealings) the country. And, the only result we can glean is that it would be disastrous. A leader who is blind to his own failings will fail. You need to be able to observer faults to corrects them and not correcting, preferably on the fly (this is where training and practice are imperative) leaves you open to getting your clock cleaned on the international stage.

End result, we lose as a country.

Whenever this shit happens with Trump (daily)… his refusal to see he is losing, or any suggestions he has to change his tune if he expects to have a chance… I’m reminded of Hitler’s meltdown scene in Downfall. Telling his generals to stand and fight. To do xyz to win the war, when there is no xyz in the first place. And all the Generals standing around, too afraid to break it to him for fear they’ll be shot… yeah that is exactly Trump.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 29, 2016 • 7:30:45am

my governor.
*spit*

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lawhawk  Sep 29, 2016 • 7:31:15am
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HappyWarrior  Sep 29, 2016 • 7:32:32am

re: #285 Backwoods_Sleuth

my governor.
*spit*

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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 29, 2016 • 7:32:47am

Today is a day that I should just stay home and bake stuff. I still need some groceries but I’ll go to the store down the street and stay off the freeway.

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Dr. Matt  Sep 29, 2016 • 7:33:18am

re: #283 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I seem to recall a couple of Presidents (whose names include the letters G W and B) who were very, very close to the Saudis, both before and after 9/11…

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BigPapa  Sep 29, 2016 • 7:34:49am

re: #6 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

From one of my sources, a former MLB pitcher: Clinton was signaling Lester to throw a change-up.

One of my sources, a black belt under Master Ken: Clinton was signaling Lester to deliver a Ball Crusher followed by a Double Dragon 3 Stooges Eye Poke.

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Jayleia  Sep 29, 2016 • 7:35:00am
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dangerman  Sep 29, 2016 • 7:35:07am

re: #275 Le Lapin Tueur

Someone (child?, ex-employee?) said that because tRump treats everyone like shit, he is neither a bigot nor a misogynist.

That someone is a halfwit, but there you have it.

yeah - the “i hate everybody equally” defense

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Dr. Matt  Sep 29, 2016 • 7:35:18am

re: #286 lawhawk

#BREAKING UPDATE: Preliminary reports suggest Hoboken train crash was an accident, not intentional nbcnewyork.com pic.twitter.com
— NBC New York (@NBCNewYork) September 29, 2016

Has Andrea Mitchell asked the question yet, “How will this benefit Trump?”

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dangerman  Sep 29, 2016 • 7:36:01am

re: #277 makeitstop

But everything is a zero-sum game with these people. Rather than live and let live, they believe that because gays are now more accepted, they’re losing something in the process.

yes - the power to control

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 29, 2016 • 7:36:33am
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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Sep 29, 2016 • 7:36:44am

re: #287 HappyWarrior

So much for individual rights.

Students’ rights of expression are a sticky issue, but public schools (being public and all) must abide by the First Amendment. A coach demanding a student stand during the anthem would easily open the school to a civil rights complaint. Bevin, being the idiot he is, is ignoring that tiny detail.

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Timothy Watson  Sep 29, 2016 • 7:36:57am

re: #289 Dr. Matt

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Bubblehead II  Sep 29, 2016 • 7:37:27am

This ought to be good.

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Sir John Barron  Sep 29, 2016 • 7:38:31am

My Internet is acting all crazy all of a sudden.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 29, 2016 • 7:39:27am
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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 29, 2016 • 7:39:37am

The exam questions are based on the homework assignments. If you did all the homework, you knew the exam questions!

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dangerman  Sep 29, 2016 • 7:39:54am

re: #299 Sir John Barron

My Internet is acting all crazy all of a sudden.

no its not

trump really said that
so did gingrich

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lawhawk  Sep 29, 2016 • 7:40:11am

re: #301 Backwoods_Sleuth

There’s that crackjack staff Trump’s been keen to show the world.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Sep 29, 2016 • 7:40:22am

re: #298 Bubblehead II

This ought to be good.

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I never thought I’d live to see the day when the Democratic Party would act as one unit toward discrediting the Republicans. If the Dems keep this up, they might just regain the Senate, especially if they can link Trump to Senatorial candidates who have refused to disavow him.

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dangerman  Sep 29, 2016 • 7:41:36am

re: #300 Dr. Matt

-alt-right-nazi-i-know-is-volunteering-for-the-trump-campaign/”>White nationalist leader: ‘Every alt-right Nazi I know is volunteering for the Trump campaign’

Deplorable exhibit # 471,984

so they want to adopt the phrase that clinton “created”?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 29, 2016 • 7:41:59am

re: #304 lawhawk

There’s that crackjack staff Trump’s been keen to show the world.

He only hires the best people!

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dangerman  Sep 29, 2016 • 7:42:43am

re: #302 The Vicious Babushka

The exam questions are based on the homework assignments. If you did all the homework, you knew the exam questions!

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going to class, taking notes, staying awake help too

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lawhawk  Sep 29, 2016 • 7:43:16am

re: #306 dangerman

No one said that they were smart.

We see the same thing with the nuts adding deplorable to their handles/names on social media as though this is proof that they aren’t. If anything, they’re revealing themselves to be the very essence of being deplorable in words and deeds.

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Timothy Watson  Sep 29, 2016 • 7:43:25am

re: #308 dangerman

going to class, taking notes, staying awake help too

You damn smart kids acting like know-it-alls!

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 29, 2016 • 7:45:55am

re: #305 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

I never thought I’d live to see the day when the Democratic Party would act as one unit toward discrediting the Republicans. If the Dems keep this up, they might just regain the Senate, especially if they can link Trump to Senatorial candidates who have refused to disavow him.

But it is so hard to link a Senator to a presidential candidate of the same party!

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Bubblehead II  Sep 29, 2016 • 7:50:49am

re: #305 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

I never thought I’d live to see the day when the Democratic Party would act as one unit toward discrediting the Republicans. If the Dems keep this up, they might just regain the Senate, especially if they can link Trump to Senatorial candidates who have refused to disavow him.

Something tells me the demise of DWS as DNC head has something to do with it.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Sep 29, 2016 • 7:52:52am

re: #312 Bubblehead II

Something tells me the demise of DWS as DNC head has something to do with it.

Nah, the Dems have been disorganized for decades. DWS didn’t help at all, though.

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FormerDirtDart  Sep 29, 2016 • 7:53:29am
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Sir John Barron  Sep 29, 2016 • 7:54:28am

...

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makeitstop  Sep 29, 2016 • 7:55:36am

re: #295 Backwoods_Sleuth

Newt Gingrich is pushing the false rumor that Clinton was given debate questions in advance

So, Newtie is upset because ‘they operate in the same circles?’

Geez, it’s not like Trump was on a network’s payroll for ten years or anything.
/

Also - note that the term ‘liberal media’ has been retired in favor of ‘elite media.’

Fake populism at its absolute fakest.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 29, 2016 • 7:57:44am

re: #299 Sir John Barron

My Internet is acting all crazy all of a sudden.

That’s what you get for spending too much time in the Twitter swamps.

/

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A wild WITHAK appeared!  Sep 29, 2016 • 8:01:34am

The battle cry of the wingnut… UNSKEWWWWWWWWW

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FormerDirtDart  Sep 29, 2016 • 8:03:11am
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Franklin  Sep 29, 2016 • 8:04:16am

re: #318 A wild WITHAK appeared!

The battle cry of the wingnut… UNSKEWWWWWWWWW

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 29, 2016 • 8:04:23am
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A wild WITHAK appeared!  Sep 29, 2016 • 8:05:45am

Looks like TPM’s got something big to drop, as well.

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b.d.  Sep 29, 2016 • 8:06:08am

Heh, I think he nailed it:

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Timothy Watson  Sep 29, 2016 • 8:06:55am

re: #318 A wild WITHAK appeared!

The battle cry of the wingnut… UNSKEWWWWWWWWW

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There’s so much I could comment on how little he knows, but I have work to do.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 29, 2016 • 8:10:55am

re: #321 Backwoods_Sleuth

Wow, even his lawyers are assholes who don’t care about facts.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 29, 2016 • 8:11:25am

re: #325 Eclectic Cyborg

Wow, even his lawyers are assholes who don’t care about facts.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Sep 29, 2016 • 8:11:45am

It’s not just cellphones now. Samsung also makes exploding washing machines.

bbc.com

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FormerDirtDart  Sep 29, 2016 • 8:13:39am

re: #322 A wild WITHAK appeared!

Looks like TPM’s got something big to drop, as well.

“…The town of Palm Beach, Florida, has provided documents to the New York Attorney General’s Office as part of the probe, a lawyer for the town confirmed to TPM on Wednesday. The documents relate to a legal dispute that Trump settled with the town using foundation money. The details of the 2007 Palm Beach case were first reported by the Washington Post last week.

“The New York Attorney General’s Office did contact me in regard to this matter,” John Randolph, the Palm Beach town attorney, told TPM Wednesday evening. “I just sent them the documents that I had previously sent to the Washington Post.”…”

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lawhawk  Sep 29, 2016 • 8:14:12am

re: #318 A wild WITHAK appeared!

The poll basics are here. They indeed sampled more Democrats than GOPers. Go ahead and unskew that. Your mileage may vary.

Okay. One poll might be off for any number of reasons, but the trend among the polls generally is that Trump got crushed at the debate (which could explain why suddenly people aren’t supporting Trump or are now identifying as Democrat or Independent, though with this specific poll it seems that the oversampled D).

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Jayleia  Sep 29, 2016 • 8:14:34am

re: #327 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

It’s not just cellphones now. Samsung also makes exploding washing machines.

bbc.com

Who needs terrorists when you have big corporations?

///, but only somewhat

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 29, 2016 • 8:15:04am
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FormerDirtDart  Sep 29, 2016 • 8:18:04am
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lawhawk  Sep 29, 2016 • 8:19:00am

re: #331 Backwoods_Sleuth

At this point, it’s too early to know what happened - whether it was a mechanical malfunction or some kind of operator error or medical issue.

PTC might have been able to slow or prevent the train, but NJ Transit was able to get implementation delayed to 2018. NJ Transit also lacks sufficient funding (thanks Gov. Christie for demanding an estate tax repeal to offset a gas tax hike that would replenish the fund, which has led to a stalemate).

So, while the fund is bankrupt and infrastructure repairs slow to a crawl, we have an incident with an unknown cause. If it can be tied back to funding issues w/maintenance, it’s going to get real ugly - not just for Christie, but for Trump (Christie is his waterboy/transition chair).

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 29, 2016 • 8:20:07am

o_O

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Timothy Watson  Sep 29, 2016 • 8:21:04am

re: #329 lawhawk

The poll basics are here. They indeed sampled more Democrats than GOPers. Go ahead and unskew that. Your mileage may vary.

Okay. One poll might be off for any number of reasons, but the trend among the polls generally is that Trump got crushed at the debate (which could explain why suddenly people aren’t supporting Trump or are now identifying as Democrat or Independent, though with this specific poll it seems that the oversampled D).

Except that the poll was of 1,705 total respondents of which 752 Democrats, 570 Republicans, 216 Independents (1,538 total by party affiliation). The poll has a subset of 1,411 registered voters and a further subset of 1,041 likely voters, but doesn’t give the partisan makeup of those subsets.

The Gallup data is from the beginning of the year before Trumpenfuhrer became the Republican nominee and actually shows a Democratic plurality once you considered “independents” that lean towards each party. Since it’s two different companies with different questions and methodologies, a higher number of Democrats could be perfectly accurate.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 29, 2016 • 8:21:40am
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FormerDirtDart  Sep 29, 2016 • 8:23:26am
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FormerDirtDart  Sep 29, 2016 • 8:24:05am
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makeitstop  Sep 29, 2016 • 8:25:28am

Whoa, Newsweek, LATimes and TPM dropping major stories all on one day?

Trump’s gonna need to hire more idiots to spin all this shit back.

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dangerman  Sep 29, 2016 • 8:25:41am

so yeah, i’m thinking the media in general was waiting to see how trump performed in the first debate before unloading

did he deserve any modicum of presidential nominee deference / common courtesy

so he failed the audition and still continues to double down on himself making their decision/reactions easier

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FormerDirtDart  Sep 29, 2016 • 8:25:53am
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Belafon  Sep 29, 2016 • 8:27:46am

re: #320 Franklin

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Is SMOTI in urban dictionary? Does it explicitly mention Hoft?

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Belafon  Sep 29, 2016 • 8:28:53am

re: #318 A wild WITHAK appeared!

The battle cry of the wingnut… UNSKEWWWWWWWWW

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Not that I want to give Hoft too much help, but he shouldn’t look at a single poll.

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makeitstop  Sep 29, 2016 • 8:29:49am

re: #341 FormerDirtDart

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They got nothin’.

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dangerman  Sep 29, 2016 • 8:29:50am

re: #338 FormerDirtDart

who the hell was “discarding racism and accepting blacks in leadership positions from teacher to…. President” in the 60’s?

and wtaf does no “problems before Civil Rights movement” even mean?

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lawhawk  Sep 29, 2016 • 8:30:58am

re: #341 FormerDirtDart

LBJ, who was widely known to be a boor and used intimidation as a tactic in Senate and as President, is hardly a hero because of the way he treated the people around him. But he can be lauded for passing the CRA.

The two aren’t equal, and you can distinguish between the two as most people do.

But it’s lovely watching the right wing try to dig through 50 years of history to find someone who did something bad that has nothing to do with Hillary Clinton to try and find hypocrisy in Democrat positions.

As though the GOP doesn’t have hypocrisy, starting with their current nominee Trump. Or his advisers from Bannon on down. Or former advisers like Manafort or Lewandowski.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Sep 29, 2016 • 8:30:58am

re: #330 Jayleia

Who needs terrorists when you have big corporations?

///, but only somewhat

Yah, I thought South Korea was our ally. //

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dangerman  Sep 29, 2016 • 8:31:46am

re: #341 FormerDirtDart

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[Embedded content]Meet leftist hero Lyndon Baines Johnson, vicious fat-shamer and disgusting sexist.

yes he was
next

(see how that works?)

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Belafon  Sep 29, 2016 • 8:34:17am

Someone needs to put an illegal parking ticket on the train.

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Great White Snark  Sep 29, 2016 • 8:34:58am
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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Sep 29, 2016 • 8:35:26am

re: #341 FormerDirtDart

Just one tiny little detail, Ben. LBJ is not running for president NOW, given that he is, well, dead. Your counter-argument is irrelevant, counselor.

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Sir John Barron  Sep 29, 2016 • 8:35:39am

re: #348 dangerman

[Embedded content]Meet leftist hero Lyndon Baines Johnson, vicious fat-shamer and disgusting sexist.

Ben Shapiro’s tweets are instantly recognizable.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Sep 29, 2016 • 8:36:36am

re: #352 Sir John Barron

Ben Shapiro’s tweets are instantly recognizable.

How did this guy ever get a JD?

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lawhawk  Sep 29, 2016 • 8:36:46am

Where have I seen this before:

Oh yes, here:
Trump casino black employees were removed from view anytime Trump showed up.

This is a guy whose bigotry, racism, and misogyny is deeply rooted. It didn’t happen overnight. He’s been pushing these views within his business for decades.

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Sir John Barron  Sep 29, 2016 • 8:37:15am

re: #341 FormerDirtDart

Meet leftist hero Lyndon Baines Johnson, vicious fat-shamer and disgusting sexist. pic.twitter.com
— Ben Shapiro

Checkmate, libtards! Owned!

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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 29, 2016 • 8:37:25am

re: #341 FormerDirtDart

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Oh hai Li’l Whiplash! Why don’t you tell us what a racist Woodrow Wilson was 100 years ago!

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Sep 29, 2016 • 8:39:10am

re: #354 lawhawk

One could only imagine what a problem that could be in the White House. Fortunately, we’ll never face that issue with Trump.

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Dr. Matt  Sep 29, 2016 • 8:40:54am

This should be mentioned on a daily basis:
Alicia Machado Didn’t Kill Anyone, But Don King Did

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 29, 2016 • 8:43:48am
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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Sep 29, 2016 • 8:44:41am

It’s been said before, but this is the weirdest presidential campaign of all time. And it keeps getting weirder.

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Jay C  Sep 29, 2016 • 8:45:25am

re: #356 The Vicious Babushka

Oh hai Li’l Whiplash! Why don’t you tell us what a racist Woodrow Wilson was 100 years ago!

I’m surprised he already hasn’t - Wilson was a Democrat, after all…

But SRSLY, Shapiro’s notion of a “gotcha” “point” is to note that Lyndon Johnson was a sexist boor? Newsflash, Ben, it’s been covered. Before. Extensively. And it’s still irrelevant.

And “leftist hero”?? That would be news to anyone who remembers the ’60s : kids these days, Geez…

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Sep 29, 2016 • 8:47:28am

re: #359 Backwoods_Sleuth

I really like seeing McConnell squirm. He knows there is no way the GOP can take the White House this year, and there may be collateral damage in local and state races, too.

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FormerDirtDart  Sep 29, 2016 • 8:47:57am

And, for those curious, but not in the mood to “click” this should fill you in:

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Eventual Carrion  Sep 29, 2016 • 8:48:01am

re: #289 Dr. Matt

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So Sweet

At least I didn’t let them sue you!

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Timothy Watson  Sep 29, 2016 • 8:49:17am

re: #364 Eventual Carrion

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At least I didn’t let them sue you!

That was the picture I thanked Dr. Matt for not posting!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 29, 2016 • 8:50:55am

what a dope

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Sir John Barron  Sep 29, 2016 • 8:51:09am

re: #341 FormerDirtDart

Meet leftist hero Lyndon Baines Johnson, vicious fat-shamer and disgusting sexist. pic.twitter.com
— Ben Shapiro

Yes, 50 years ago. 50. Our expectations as a society have changed. Look into it.

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Stanley Sea  Sep 29, 2016 • 8:51:53am

re: #334 Backwoods_Sleuth

o_O

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“Do you like Jewish men?”

oh boy.

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sagehen  Sep 29, 2016 • 8:52:49am

re: #350 Great White Snark

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I’m old enough to remember before the EPA/smog devices/SCAQMD, when you couldn’t see those mountains from there.

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dangerman  Sep 29, 2016 • 8:53:19am

re: #366 Backwoods_Sleuth

what a dope

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“we have to pass the law to see what it does”

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dangerman  Sep 29, 2016 • 8:54:04am

re: #367 Sir John Barron

Yes, 50 years ago. 50. Our expectations as a society have changed. Look into it.

lotsa laws changed too

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Belafon  Sep 29, 2016 • 8:55:46am

re: #361 Jay C

There’s at least one Vietnam Veteran over at Balloon Juice that I’m sure would have a few words to say to Ben about LBJ.

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Dr. Matt  Sep 29, 2016 • 8:57:47am

The biggest pile of steamy shit

Why the pundits are wrong about Hillary Clinton dominating the debate

Some of the low-lights:

*However, most post-debate online polls are breaking for Donald Trump as the winner. These polls are not rigorous, in that anyone can vote in them multiple times, regardless of whether they would vote in the actual election. Still, some of these polls have hundreds of thousands of votes. They provide significant evidence of enthusiasm for Trump’s debate performance and suggest that the pundits are wrong about Clinton dominating the debate.

*Research on emotional intelligence provides key clues for why Trump ended up on top

*Overall, I would argue that while Clinton won the debate on content and substance, Trump won on style and charisma.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 29, 2016 • 8:59:58am

LBJ. A man no one under the age of 73 could vote for. That’s the best Ben’s got? Oh and Ben, just admit you’re supporting Trump already if you’re going to pull lame shit like that.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 29, 2016 • 9:00:58am

re: #363 FormerDirtDart

Supreme Court to take up challenge by Portland band the slants over government’s refusal to trademark name.

That case does put a whole different slant on it…

in general, I think the Redskins should change their name, trademark or not.

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Eventual Carrion  Sep 29, 2016 • 9:03:51am

re: #297 Timothy Watson

At least you spared us the picture of them making out.

I didn’t!

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Belafon  Sep 29, 2016 • 9:04:22am

re: #375 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

That case does put a whole different slant on it…

in general, I think the Redskins should change their name, trademark or not.

Agree. The reason for the trademark angle is that if the team loses trademark rights, people can flood the market, diminishing the value of the apparel to the point the team has to come up with something else.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 29, 2016 • 9:05:12am

re: #373 Dr. Matt

The biggest pile of steamy shit

Why the pundits are wrong about Hillary Clinton dominating the debate

Some of the low-lights:

Hell a lot of Trump’s own surrogates conceded he lost the debate. You have to really have your head up Trump’s ass or despise Clinton that much to believe he won. Someone who wins a presidential debate does not go on weird rants about Rosie O’Donnell or imply they didn’t pay taxes.

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Belafon  Sep 29, 2016 • 9:05:39am

re: #373 Dr. Matt

The biggest pile of steamy shit

Why the pundits are wrong about Hillary Clinton dominating the debate

Some of the low-lights:

The enthusiasm argument, which is why Trump is running against Sanders. //

The problem with the enthusiasm argument is that you can’t measure enthusiasm.

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dangerman  Sep 29, 2016 • 9:05:42am

re: #373 Dr. Matt

i just gotta say:

Still, some of these polls have hundreds of thousands of votes. They provide significant evidence of enthusiasm by one guy voting 100,000 times.

and

“Overall, I would argue that while Clinton won the debate on content and substance, Trump won on style and charisma.”

its not a pageant so it’s not graded that way

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 29, 2016 • 9:05:46am

re: #377 Belafon

Agree. The reason for the trademark angle is that if the team loses trademark rights, people can flood the market, diminishing the value of the apparel to the point the team has to come up with something else.

The New York Jewboys?

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 29, 2016 • 9:05:51am

re: #373 Dr. Matt

The biggest pile of steamy shit

Why the pundits are wrong about Hillary Clinton dominating the debate

Some of the low-lights:

EVEN CHUCK TODD knows Trump lost. The headline on his article to day :

Who Lost the Debate? The Candidate Who’s Lashing Out.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 29, 2016 • 9:06:28am

re: #382 Blind Frog Belly White

EVEN CHUCK TODD knows Trump lost. The headline on his article to day :

Who Lost the Debate? The Candidate Who’s Lashing Out.

Well duh.

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gocart mozart  Sep 29, 2016 • 9:06:36am
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dangerman  Sep 29, 2016 • 9:07:40am

re: #375 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

That case does put a whole different slant on it…

in general, I think the Redskins should change their name, trademark or not.

could they be the “reds” cause afterall….
or just the skins
or does it matter if we know where the name “came from”

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Franklin  Sep 29, 2016 • 9:09:12am

Ha!

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 29, 2016 • 9:09:44am

re: #385 dangerman

could they be the “reds” cause afterall….
or just the skins
or does it matter if we know where the name “came from”

Fans do not seem to care, and if pressed on the point go off on rants about PC and heritage and the like…

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Timothy Watson  Sep 29, 2016 • 9:09:46am

re: #373 Dr. Matt

Consider the source:

By Gleb Tsipursky, Assistant Professor in History of Behavioral Science, President of Intentional Insights, The Ohio State University

What the fuck is “behavioral science” and why do you need a professor who sub-specializes in the history of it?

And, man, check out his hot-takes and clickbait shit that’s been published on HuffPo by him:
huffingtonpost.com

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dangerman  Sep 29, 2016 • 9:10:55am

re: #386 Dr. Matt

CNN host busts Corey Lewandowski reciting leaked Trump memo: ‘That’s talking point number 18!’:

Fuck you, CNN, for even hiring this asshole.

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apparently hes not getting severance any more - as if that matters
i wonder did they cut it off, defer it or just give him the lump sum

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FormerDirtDart  Sep 29, 2016 • 9:11:25am

re: #375 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

That case does put a whole different slant on it…

in general, I think the Redskins should change their name, trademark or not.

re: #377 Belafon

Agree. The reason for the trademark angle is that if the team loses trademark rights, people can flood the market, diminishing the value of the apparel to the point the team has to come up with something else.

re: #385 dangerman

could they be the “reds” cause afterall….
or just the skins
or does it matter if we know where the name “came from”

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Targetpractice  Sep 29, 2016 • 9:13:08am

re: #373 Dr. Matt

The biggest pile of steamy shit

Why the pundits are wrong about Hillary Clinton dominating the debate

Some of the low-lights:

We’d ask President Paul about the validity of online polls, but he’s busy preparing for his debate against Sen. Sanders.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 29, 2016 • 9:13:15am

re: #386 Dr. Matt

CNN host busts Corey Lewandowski reciting leaked Trump memo: ‘That’s talking point number 18!’:

Fuck you, CNN, for even hiring this asshole.

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Timothy Watson  Sep 29, 2016 • 9:13:26am

re: #380 dangerman

i just gotta say:

Still, some of these polls have hundreds of thousands of votes. They provide significant evidence of enthusiasm by one guy voting 100,000 times.

What, you’re telling me that a Presidential election isn’t like American Idol?

Damn, Trump’s screwed.

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Alyosha  Sep 29, 2016 • 9:14:43am

I don’t know what it is.
Only person I’ve ever rebuked twice.

Dunno what my aim is like.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 29, 2016 • 9:16:34am

oh, Curt…

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makeitstop  Sep 29, 2016 • 9:17:55am

re: #386 Dr. Matt

CNN host busts Corey Lewandowski reciting leaked Trump memo: ‘That’s talking point number 18!’:

Fuck you, CNN, for even hiring this asshole.

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Video

He’s such a punk.

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Belafon  Sep 29, 2016 • 9:17:58am

re: #396 Backwoods_Sleuth

oh, Curt…

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There was a wreck on West Bound I30 this morning in Rockwall county. Obviously terrorism.

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Stanley Sea  Sep 29, 2016 • 9:18:56am

re: #397 makeitstop

He’s such a punk.

Nothing ever became of that campaign payment to the Draper Sterling place did it?

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Timothy Watson  Sep 29, 2016 • 9:18:59am

re: #396 Backwoods_Sleuth

oh, Curt…

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Because train accidents have never happened before. No chance the guy had a medical emergency and didn’t brake or hit the accelerator, or distracted driving, or a catastrophic mechanical failure, etc.

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Targetpractice  Sep 29, 2016 • 9:19:27am

re: #386 Dr. Matt

CNN host busts Corey Lewandowski reciting leaked Trump memo: ‘That’s talking point number 18!’:

Fuck you, CNN, for even hiring this asshole.

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CNN has become such a joke this year. The only thing missing now is another plane disappearing.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 29, 2016 • 9:19:37am

re: #398 Belafon

There was a wreck on West Bound I30 this morning in Rockwall county. Obviously terrorism.

building collapse in Covington Kentucky this morning…obviously terrorism….

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HappyWarrior  Sep 29, 2016 • 9:20:21am

re: #395 Alyosha

I don’t know what it is.
Only person I’ve ever rebuked twice.

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Dunno what my aim is like.

Another thing but LBJ a leftist hero is pretty funny to me considering the left was why he decided not to seek another term in 1968. Personally, I think he was a decent president but very flawed in many ways. If Ben really thinks using the fact that a man who was President when people who are in their 60’s today were in high school was a sexist somehow validates Trump than he’s even more lame than I thought.

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Le Lapin Tueur  Sep 29, 2016 • 9:20:27am

re: #345 dangerman

and wtaf does no “problems before Civil Rights movement” even mean?

That one’s simple. Teh uppity blah weren’t makin’ us accountable, therefore there weren’t no problems

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 29, 2016 • 9:20:30am

re: #402 Backwoods_Sleuth

building collapse in Covington Kentucky this morning…obviously terrorism….

cool if I’m wrong

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makeitstop  Sep 29, 2016 • 9:20:45am

re: #399 Stanley Sea

Nothing ever became of that campaign payment to the Draper Sterling place did it?

Not that I can remember. That went away pretty quickly.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 29, 2016 • 9:21:00am

duh…

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 29, 2016 • 9:21:33am

re: #404 Le Lapin Tueur

That one’s simple. Teh uppity blah weren’t makin’ us accountable, therefore there weren’t no problems

Before we started “accepting” blacks to elected office…

jeez.

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lawhawk  Sep 29, 2016 • 9:22:45am

Trump’s flack Stone is lying about what Trump’s businesses did in Cuba. Eichenwald’s response? Watch for a document dump.

This should get entertaining.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 29, 2016 • 9:23:49am

re: #409 lawhawk

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Trump’s flack Stone is lying about what Trump’s businesses did in Cuba. Eichenwald’s response? Watch for a document dump.

This should get entertaining.

I guess Trump is the one who got October Surprised.

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Targetpractice  Sep 29, 2016 • 9:24:04am

re: #407 Backwoods_Sleuth

duh…

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The people who have spent years snickering about “passing the bill to know what’s in it” now are saying with straight faces that they’ll have to “fix” a law that they overrode the President’s veto to put into place.

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lawhawk  Sep 29, 2016 • 9:24:17am
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FormerDirtDart  Sep 29, 2016 • 9:24:26am

re: #396 Backwoods_Sleuth

oh, Curt…
re: #398 Belafon

re: #400 Timothy Watson

Obviously Trump campaign talking point #21

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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 29, 2016 • 9:26:21am

re: #361 Jay C

I’m surprised he already hasn’t - Wilson was a Democrat, after all…

But SRSLY, Shapiro’s notion of a “gotcha” “point” is to note that Lyndon Johnson was a sexist boor? Newsflash, Ben, it’s been covered. Before. Extensively. And it’s still irrelevant.

And “leftist hero”?? That would be news to anyone who remembers the ’60s : kids these days, Geez…

Baby Whiplash has his talking point and he’s sticking to it. In Shapiroland, time stands still.

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Great White Snark  Sep 29, 2016 • 9:26:43am

re: #413 FormerDirtDart

Obviously Trump campaign talking point #21

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One day follows next? Coincidence or…. CONSPIRACY?

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Le Lapin Tueur  Sep 29, 2016 • 9:26:45am

re: #385 dangerman

could they be the “reds” cause afterall….
or just the skins
or does it matter if we know where the name “came from”

Change the logo to a potato and it wouldn’t solve the underlying issue. So, yeah, at this point, origins matter.

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Dr. Matt  Sep 29, 2016 • 9:27:31am

Thanks Dog for Kurt Eichenwald. But, I really hope he has hired a bodyguard to protect himself from The Deplorables.

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Le Lapin Tueur  Sep 29, 2016 • 9:27:31am

re: #391 FormerDirtDart

Damn, you already did the potato thing. Too slow.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 29, 2016 • 9:28:29am

re: #414 The Vicious Babushka

Any person who calls a woman such names must never be president]

Responding to hyperbole with hyperherbole.

Any contemporary candidate who speaks of and treats women as DT does is a poor choice for President, especially as there is a better choice out there.

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Alyosha  Sep 29, 2016 • 9:29:00am

Shapiro has a definite style.
It oozes condescension. It has a high-minded tone that misses the mark so obviously that I can only assume his education has actually been used to efficiently rile up people who see the logical disconnect in his arguments.

They’re just that badly composed that they actually warrant a response because, I guess, the substance has a whiff of education even though, at base, it’s the same dreck dollied up in red ribbon.
I actually think CCJ is trying to be what Shapiro (and folk like Dreher) is.
The smart man’s troll.

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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 29, 2016 • 9:30:02am

re: #419 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Responding to hyperbole with hyperherbole.

Any contemporary candidate who speaks of and treats women as DT does is a poor choice for President, especially as there is a better choice out there.

He is claiming that Hillary used those insults 20 years ago, although there is no evidence she actually did except in sleazy “tell all” gossip books.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 29, 2016 • 9:30:09am
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dangerman  Sep 29, 2016 • 9:30:12am

on third party protest votes

not bad, not great; pretty good

…it doesn’t matter what message you think you are sending, because no one will receive it. No one is listening. The system is set up so that every choice other than ‘R’ or ‘D’ boils down to “I defer to the judgement of my fellow citizens.” It’s easy to argue that our system shouldn’t work like that. It’s impossible to argue it doesn’t work like that.

Throwing away your vote on a message no one will hear, and which will change no outcome, is sometimes presented as ‘voting your conscience’, but that’s got it exactly backwards; your conscience is what keeps you from doing things that feel good to you but hurt other people. Citizens who vote for third-party candidates, write-in candidates, or nobody aren’t voting their conscience, they are voting their ego, unable to accept that a system they find personally disheartening actually applies to them.

Noisily opting out as a way of demonstrating your pique is an understandable human act. It’s just not a political act

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GlutenFreeJesus  Sep 29, 2016 • 9:30:32am
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HappyWarrior  Sep 29, 2016 • 9:30:57am

re: #421 The Vicious Babushka

He is claiming that Hillary used those insults 20 years ago, although there is no evidence she actually did except in sleazy “tell all” gossip books.

He should just admit that he supports Trump already and stop being a passive aggressive little pansy about it all.

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gocart mozart  Sep 29, 2016 • 9:32:21am
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Teukka  Sep 29, 2016 • 9:32:29am

Off-topic, but playing with a camera (Nikon D50) to pass time. At least the view from my room is nice :)

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HappyWarrior  Sep 29, 2016 • 9:32:55am

re: #420 Alyosha

Shapiro has a definite style.
It oozes condescension. It has a high-minded tone that misses the mark so obviously that I can only assume his education has actually been used to efficiently rile up people who see the logical disconnect in his arguments.

They’re just that badly composed that they actually warrant a response because, I guess, the substance has a whiff of education even though, at base, it’s the same dreck dollied up in red ribbon.
I actually think CCJ is trying to be what Shapiro (and folk like Dreher) is.
The smart man’s troll.

He is very condescending and very out of touch with reality. Personally, I think he’s bitter because while he has a JD from Harvard, a lot of his fellow graduates are doing bigger and better things with their JDs but at the same time he’s condescending because he fancies himself an intellectual when he’s actually just a patronizing right wing jackass.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 29, 2016 • 9:32:56am

re: #425 HappyWarrior

He should just admit that he supports Trump already and stop being a passive aggressive little pansy about it all.

He wants to work both sides of the fence so he can tell us all afterwards that he was on the right side all along.

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Belafon  Sep 29, 2016 • 9:33:34am

About the tinfoil hat stuff being passed around by Republicans, what we are seeing is a group of people realizing they are no longer the “default” for whatever question requires choosing an authority. They can’t quite grasp why they lost that authority, especially because so many believe God is on their side, and since they can’t use force to maintain their position, they’re searching for the one thing that will keep them atop the mountain.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Sep 29, 2016 • 9:33:57am

re: #422 Backwoods_Sleuth

This could be a nasty 2 weeks for Hoboken.

Matthew in the Caribbean is threatening to hit the East Coast.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 29, 2016 • 9:33:59am

re: #429 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

He wants to work both sides of the fence so he can tell us all afterwards that he was on the right side all along.

Oh, I know why he’s doing it. I am just saying he’s being a passive aggressive little shit about it all.

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dangerman  Sep 29, 2016 • 9:34:04am

re: #411 Targetpractice

The people who have spent years snickering about “passing the bill to know what’s in it” now are saying with straight faces that they’ll have to “fix” a law that they overrode the President’s veto to put into place.

….YESTERDAY!

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FormerDirtDart  Sep 29, 2016 • 9:34:29am

…CHY-NA bought my high school…which was the same as military service…and why I know about ISIS than all the failures we have as generals…
CHY-NA is cheating us again…
CHY-NA is destroying us in school purchases…

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Sep 29, 2016 • 9:34:49am

re: #431 Ziggy_TARDIS

It’s hard to believe Sandy was 4 years ago.

It seems much sooner than that.

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Le Lapin Tueur  Sep 29, 2016 • 9:34:57am

re: #408 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Before we started “accepting” blacks to elected office…

jeez.

I think that line makes it pretty obvious which direction the speaker is coming from. Not earned, not deserved, simple allowed because we’re PC.

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Alyosha  Sep 29, 2016 • 9:35:44am

ERMAGERD! was about to compare left concern trolls with the right and wtf!!!

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Belafon  Sep 29, 2016 • 9:35:52am

re: #423 dangerman

on third party protest votes

not bad, not great; pretty good

That’s great, especially “your conscience is what keeps you from doing things that feel good to you but hurt other people.”

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lawhawk  Sep 29, 2016 • 9:36:55am

re: #431 Ziggy_TARDIS

Hope it wont take 2 weeks to restore service. That would suck royally. I’m not so worried about Matthew for the moment. It’s uncertain where the storm will head after the Caribbean.

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Alyosha  Sep 29, 2016 • 9:38:02am

re: #428 HappyWarrior

As far as we know, he poops in the loo.
That’s where his delusions of grandeur soar above CCJ’s.

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Dr. Matt  Sep 29, 2016 • 9:42:35am

How long will Trump wait before he uses the NJ train accident as a talking point? “Our country is a mess….it’s falling apart….we are terrible”.

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Barefoot Grin  Sep 29, 2016 • 9:42:44am

re: #439 lawhawk

Hope it wont take 2 weeks to restore service. That would suck royally. I’m not so worried about Matthew for the moment. It’s uncertain where the storm will head after the Caribbean.

I selfishly hope it loses steam off the coast and benignly dumps abundant rainfall on upper New England.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Sep 29, 2016 • 9:43:02am

re: #439 lawhawk

A lot of models do show landfall… somewhere between Charleston, SC and Portland, ME.

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Le Lapin Tueur  Sep 29, 2016 • 9:43:34am

re: #443 Ziggy_TARDIS

Nice, tight area to predict…

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 29, 2016 • 9:49:44am

now he’s “deeply concerned”

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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 29, 2016 • 9:49:49am
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lawhawk  Sep 29, 2016 • 9:50:35am

re: #441 Dr. Matt

How long will Trump wait before he uses the NJ train accident as a talking point? “Our country is a mess….it’s falling apart….we are terrible”.

Up until the point where fingers start pointing at his chum Christie who hasn’t funded NJ Transit properly for years, and was in charge when NJ Transit’s emergency response plan was basically leave their equipment to get flooded in the Meadowlands. I remember being unable to commute to the office for 6 weeks after Sandy.

And his foot-dragging on capital funding for NJ Transit meant that PTC wont be in place until 2018 (because raising the gas tax must be offset by a massive giveaway to the rich with an estate tax repeal).

So, please Trump, go and talk about how infrastructure spending is too low. Talk to your guy about the consequences.

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FormerDirtDart  Sep 29, 2016 • 9:50:41am

re: #431 Ziggy_TARDIS

This could be a nasty 2 weeks for Hoboken.

Matthew in the Caribbean is threatening to hit the East Coast.

We should probably wait until TS Matthew actually makes it northern turn, before ID’ing where it’s going to threaten. It could easily continue westerly and head up into the Gulf, or impact the Yucatan peninsula

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Alyosha  Sep 29, 2016 • 9:52:39am

This was the tweet I was actually looking for:

Well which is it? Is Obama treating Russia like a goddamned whipping post or is he being Warsaw-ed?

I know, I know. It’s his schtick.
High-minded, performative bullshittery that allows you to take a non-commital stance whilst pouring acid over adjoining modes of thought which might actually serve the common weal.
*blergh*
I meant, ‘troll’.

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Belafon  Sep 29, 2016 • 9:54:49am

re: #445 Backwoods_Sleuth

now he’s “deeply concerned”

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Next it will be “troubling.”

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lawhawk  Sep 29, 2016 • 9:55:05am

re: #443 Ziggy_TARDIS

1,000 mile difference between Portland Maine and Charleston, South Carolina. Or never making continental US landfall at all. Or grazing (like that other storm did earlier in the year - where it just churned off the NYC metro coast but didn’t cause as much flood damage as some had predicted).

Image: storm_14.gif

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 29, 2016 • 9:55:17am

re: #450 Belafon

Next it will be “troubling.”

It was already “troubling” earlier today.

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Targetpractice  Sep 29, 2016 • 9:56:26am

re: #450 Belafon

Next it will be “troubling.”

By day’s end, he may even be “alarmed.”

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Dr. Matt  Sep 29, 2016 • 9:56:30am

Tropical Storm Matthew On Rare Southerly Path In Caribbean

Iframe

Lots of agreement on the computer models.

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Belafon  Sep 29, 2016 • 9:56:31am

re: #452 Backwoods_Sleuth

It was already “troubling” earlier today.

I thought he was just “concerned” earlier. I’ll have to rework my Rubio alert chart.

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b.d.  Sep 29, 2016 • 9:56:52am

re: #443 Ziggy_TARDIS

A lot of models do show landfall… somewhere between Charleston, SC and Portland, ME.

Thanks Obama!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 29, 2016 • 9:57:09am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 29, 2016 • 9:58:06am

re: #455 Belafon

I thought he was just “concerned” earlier. I’ll have to rework my Rubio alert chart.

#223

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lawhawk  Sep 29, 2016 • 9:58:09am

SMOTI watch….

Zero respect. These are the nitwits who the right wing listens to because he’s a mirror for their own prejudices.

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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 29, 2016 • 9:58:34am

WOW SMOTI shows how he is the Stupidest Man On The Internet

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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 29, 2016 • 9:59:14am

re: #459 lawhawk

SMOTI watch….

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Zero respect. These are the nitwits who the right wing listens to because he’s a mirror for their own prejudices.

JINX

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Belafon  Sep 29, 2016 • 9:59:42am

re: #459 lawhawk

re: #460 The Vicious Babushka

So, what actually happened?

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Sir John Barron  Sep 29, 2016 • 10:01:08am

re: #459 lawhawk

SMOTI watch….

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Zero respect. These are the nitwits who the right wing listens to because he’s a mirror for their own prejudices.

WOW!

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Dr. Matt  Sep 29, 2016 • 10:02:10am

ACC Football Championship Moved To Orlando Over Anti-LGBT Law

The Atlantic Coastal Conference made its departure from the Tar Heel State official Thursday, announcing via press release that the 2016 ACC football championship game will be held in Orlando.

Not that Florida is a hotbed for progressive LGBT politicians and politics, but this is a good move.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 29, 2016 • 10:02:53am
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Sir John Barron  Sep 29, 2016 • 10:04:36am

re: #460 The Vicious Babushka

WOW SMOTI shows how he is the Stupidest Man On The Internet

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Dim Jim must think that just because we ridiculed Trump’s days-long smearing of the Khans that no one can ever disagree with a Gold Star parent.

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BeachDem  Sep 29, 2016 • 10:05:50am

re: #278 Le Lapin Tueur

The article is great, but it wasn’t written by Rebecca, it was Evan Hurst’s article. Credit where credit is due.

Damn, you’re right—don’t know how I screwed that up. Thanks for the correction.

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lawhawk  Sep 29, 2016 • 10:06:04am

re: #465 Backwoods_Sleuth

They paid money in 1998. Any money paid after the embargo was enacted and prior to it being lifted is a clear violation of federal law. If that is a correct assessment of what Trump did, then his businesses did, in fact, break the law.

Can’t wait for the walk back attempt from Trump this time.

The Trumps are the gang that can’t shoot straight - and this is an own-goal considering that the Cuba flap had already been out there courtesy of Bloomberg previously. Eichenwald’s report piggybacked and added new details.

Conway’s statement would essentially confirm what everyone suspected - payments were made in violation of the embargo.

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Targetpractice  Sep 29, 2016 • 10:06:06am

re: #465 Backwoods_Sleuth

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There’s a lot of hilarity in criticizing a story for having an eye-catching title and not much substance, considering virtually every “bombshell story” about Hillary that the Trump campaign has touted worked in exactly the same way.

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Sir John Barron  Sep 29, 2016 • 10:06:30am

re: #465 Backwoods_Sleuth

Clearly @KellyannePolls doesn’t understand

I think that about sums it up.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Sep 29, 2016 • 10:08:08am

The hell?

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makeitstop  Sep 29, 2016 • 10:08:40am

re: #450 Belafon

Next it will be “troubling.”

I think it was already ‘troubling’ earlier this morning.

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Belafon  Sep 29, 2016 • 10:10:37am

re: #472 makeitstop

I think it was already ‘troubling’ earlier this morning.

Yeah, I got corrected. My Rubio alert chart was upside down.

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Sir John Barron  Sep 29, 2016 • 10:10:56am

re: #445 Backwoods_Sleuth

now he’s “deeply concerned”

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What about Clinton Foundation buying stuff in Cuba?!?!??!?!!

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Sep 29, 2016 • 10:11:26am

re: #454 Dr. Matt

The models are going to the west and scattering.

Some showing East Coast, some showing the Florida portion of the Gulf of Mexico.

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Sir John Barron  Sep 29, 2016 • 10:12:08am

re: #465 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Something tells me KellyAnne is about to be disappeared along with Paul Manafort and Melania.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 29, 2016 • 10:12:34am

oh good grief…

That’s the worst thing about this administration. They’ve taken — it took 230 years to make this the greatest country, the greatest society in human history, and they are trying to unravel it and destroy it for — I don’t know why. I still don’t know why. What is — this country handed everything to Barack Obama. He didn’t have to work for anything. Just because of the color of his skin he was given everything. And he still hates the country.

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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 29, 2016 • 10:12:41am

re: #465 Backwoods_Sleuth

Basically every Kellyanne Conway interview is a textbook exercise in DARVO.

Also: Don’t stop talking until you repeat every last scripted talking point. I see this frequently when Conway and other Trump surrogates launch a talking point they will not respond to questions but just keep charging ahead and talking over the interviewer.

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KGxvi  Sep 29, 2016 • 10:12:58am

re: #471 Ziggy_TARDIS

Part of her argument is that “Clinton’s [alleged] race problem is a turnout problem.” Basically, for a Democrat to win they have to get high turn out among African American voters.

Perhaps this might be the reason that the Clinton campaign has spent the last several months developing a nationwide ground game centered on GOTV efforts?

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Sir John Barron  Sep 29, 2016 • 10:13:16am

re: #477 Backwoods_Sleuth

oh good grief…

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(It’s Howie Carr)

Oh, the Obama-is-destroying-America whine again.

Derp.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 29, 2016 • 10:14:18am

re: #477 Backwoods_Sleuth

oh good grief…

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Do these people ever not whine like pathetic babies? Obama got everything he wanted? Really?

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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 29, 2016 • 10:15:30am

re: #478 The Vicious Babushka

Basically every Kellyanne Conway interview is a textbook exercise in DARVO.

Also: Don’t stop talking until you repeat every last scripted talking point. I see this frequently when Conway and other Trump surrogates launch a talking point they will not respond to questions but just keep charging ahead and talking over the interviewer.

Case in point==>

Lewandoski repeats Trump talking points

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Sir John Barron  Sep 29, 2016 • 10:15:36am

re: #481 HappyWarrior

Do these people ever not whine like pathetic babies? Obama got everything he wanted? Really?

I still don’t understand how Obama is supposedly destroying America. If he was destroying it, and has been for eight years, wouldn’t it be, in fact, destroyed? Completely irrational, malicious word salad.

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Belafon  Sep 29, 2016 • 10:16:10am

re: #479 KGxvi

Part of her argument is that “Clinton’s [alleged] race problem is a turnout problem.” Basically, for a Democrat to win they have to get high turn out among African American voters.

Perhaps this might be the reason that the Clinton campaign has spent the last several months developing a nationwide ground game centered on GOTV efforts?

Are polls showing a “race problem” for Clinton? I hadn’t seen any. Minorities seemed rather enthusiastic about turning out for the election.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 29, 2016 • 10:16:16am

I’m not going to worry about the models for quite a while yet:

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HappyWarrior  Sep 29, 2016 • 10:16:25am

re: #483 Sir John Barron

I still don’t understand how Obama is supposedly destroying America. If he was destroying it, and has been for eight years, wouldn’t be, in fact, destroyed? Completely irrational, malicious word salad.

Yeah that too. Obama is the worst destroyer of a nation ever. //

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Dr. Matt  Sep 29, 2016 • 10:17:00am

re: #475 Ziggy_TARDIS

The models are going to the west and scattering.

Some showing East Coast, some showing the Florida portion of the Gulf of Mexico.

All but 3 have it turning north up and then moving off the east coast of Florida.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 29, 2016 • 10:17:02am

It really pisses me off that people like Trump can break the law with impunity because they know they can get away with it.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 29, 2016 • 10:17:27am

If Obama has done anything, he’s exposed that so many conservatives are nothing but whiny children who throw fits when things don’t go their way.

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Belafon  Sep 29, 2016 • 10:18:39am

re: #489 HappyWarrior

If Obama has done anything, he’s exposed that so many conservatives are nothing but whiny children who throw fits when things don’t go their way.

See, destroying the country.

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lawhawk  Sep 29, 2016 • 10:18:59am

re: #477 Backwoods_Sleuth

Says the surrogate of the guy who was born with a gold plated pitchfork stuck up his ass sideways and never looked back. Trump was born into privilege as a spoiled son of a rich father whose real estate fortune he inherited.

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Barefoot Grin  Sep 29, 2016 • 10:19:53am

re: #485 Backwoods_Sleuth

I’m not going to worry about the models for quite a while yet:

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Angry bees storm out of Caribbean, terrorize Atlantic coast!

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KGxvi  Sep 29, 2016 • 10:20:09am

re: #477 Backwoods_Sleuth

oh good grief…

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About the only thing handed to Obama was the 2004 Senate election in Illinois, but that’s mostly because Ryan dropped out of the general election and the IL GOP turned a lonely eye to Alan effing Keyes.

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gocart mozart  Sep 29, 2016 • 10:20:19am

re: #459 lawhawk

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Sir John Barron  Sep 29, 2016 • 10:20:46am

re: #477 Backwoods_Sleuth

Trump Surrogate: Obama Was Given Everything “Because Of The Color Of His Skin” Video oh.
— Oliver Willis

Translation: Black Democrat not supposed to be elected because Black and Democrat.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 29, 2016 • 10:20:56am

I mean really:
Labor laws? Fuck ‘em
Immigration laws? Fuck ‘em
Election laws? Fuck ‘em
Trade Embargo? Fuck it.

Zero accountability. I would love nothing more than to see this obnoxious shitheel taken to task by someone who can really damage him.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 29, 2016 • 10:21:16am

re: #490 Belafon

See, destroying the country.

Ha, touche. Damned Obama, he exposed us for the whiny babies we really are. We were supposed to be the tough guys with gunz!

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gwangung  Sep 29, 2016 • 10:21:22am

re: #479 KGxvi

Part of her argument is that “Clinton’s [alleged] race problem is a turnout problem.” Basically, for a Democrat to win they have to get high turn out among African American voters.

Perhaps this might be the reason that the Clinton campaign has spent the last several months developing a nationwide ground game centered on GOTV efforts?

This seems like a generic point; with many other politicians, it’s harder to see the difference between Clinton and a Republican candidate (let’s be clear; I think she’s better, but it’s not clearcut and you have to spend time explaining it).

But with Trump, it’s pretty clear cut; he’s the obvious bigot all black people are familiar with and they sure as hell aren’t going to let him come anywhere near power.

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Sir John Barron  Sep 29, 2016 • 10:21:44am

re: #494 gocart mozart

I watched the video and Obama’s answer was very good and only an ignorant shit heel could disagree with it.

So, SMOTI, you mean.

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gwangung  Sep 29, 2016 • 10:22:02am

re: #494 gocart mozart

I watched the video and Obama’s answer was very good and only an ignorant shit heel could disagree with it.

So, basically all of the Republican voters, eh?

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Jay C  Sep 29, 2016 • 10:22:06am

re: #494 gocart mozart

I watched the video and Obama’s answer was very good and only an ignorant shit heel could disagree with it.

IOW, no wonder Jim Hoft picked up on it….?

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FormerDirtDart  Sep 29, 2016 • 10:22:26am

Mid day sanity break

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KGxvi  Sep 29, 2016 • 10:22:29am

re: #484 Belafon

Are polls showing a “race problem” for Clinton? I hadn’t seen any. Minorities seemed rather enthusiastic about turning out for the election.

None that I’ve seen. And there’s an argument to be made (I think I saw it discussed at 538), that the polls may be underrepresenting Clinton’s numbers because minority voters can often be difficult to reach in polls or get screened out in “likely voter” models.

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Jebediah, RBG  Sep 29, 2016 • 10:22:50am

re: #78 allegro

the accusations of cheating - as if she needs to.

She’d have stomped him into the mud with half her brain tied behind her back.

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gocart mozart  Sep 29, 2016 • 10:22:52am

re: #500 gwangung

Yes.

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lawhawk  Sep 29, 2016 • 10:23:05am
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Ziggy_TARDIS  Sep 29, 2016 • 10:23:29am

re: #479 KGxvi

Yeah, I know about that ground game, which makes this so puzzling.

And the fact that the African Americans turned out for her in the Primaries, giving her the nomination.

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dangerman  Sep 29, 2016 • 10:23:51am

re: #490 Belafon

See, destroying the “our” country.

ftfy

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Sir John Barron  Sep 29, 2016 • 10:24:02am

re: #506 lawhawk

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Alyosha  Sep 29, 2016 • 10:24:07am

Thought I’d add this while I’m rummy:
From the Wachsmann book ‘KL’. (German concentration camp)
On the use of the camp infirmary to conceal persons who would otherwise certainly die.

One extraordinary rescue was that of a young Luigi Ferri, who arrived in Auschwitz with his grandmother on June 3, 1944, on a small transport of Jews from Italy. The SS initially overlooked Luigi and the eleven-year-old boy found himself alone in the Birkenau quarantine camp. SS men would have killed him within hours, no doubt, had he not come to the attention of the prisoner doctor Otto Wolken, a resourceful Jewish physician from Vienna. In tears, Luigi told his story, pleading for help. Dr. Wolken risked his life to protect the boy, whom he soon called his ‘camp son’. Despite repeated SS orders to hand the boy over, Wolken hid him in different barracks for over two months, helped by some confidants. Then, in mid August 1944, Wolken bribed a Kapo in the political office to have Luigi officially registered. Although the boy could now move more freely around the camp, Wolken still had to protect him, hiding him during selections and letting him sleep in the safety of the infirmary. When Soviet troops reached Auschwitz in late January 1945, both Wolken and Luigi were among the small number of survivors.

Pg. 527

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dangerman  Sep 29, 2016 • 10:25:24am

re: #496 Eclectic Cyborg

I mean really:
Labor laws? Fuck ‘em
Immigration laws? Fuck ‘em
Election laws? Fuck ‘em
Trade Embargo? Fuck it.

Zero accountability. I would love nothing more than to see this obnoxious shitheel taken to task by someone who can really damage him.

add tax laws - at least individual and foundation/non profit

we havent even gotten into businesses yet

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FormerDirtDart  Sep 29, 2016 • 10:26:51am

re: #506 lawhawk

…YUGE crowds…

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Stanley Sea  Sep 29, 2016 • 10:27:51am

re: #460 The Vicious Babushka

WOW SMOTI shows how he is the Stupidest Man On The Internet

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IIRC, she lost her husband who committed suicide after deployment in Afghanistan.

So, fact fail.

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lawhawk  Sep 29, 2016 • 10:29:35am

That he’s alive should help with the investigation into what happened. He should be able to provide details hopefully, particularly if it was a mechanical problem.

NTSB and FRA are on route.

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KGxvi  Sep 29, 2016 • 10:29:53am

re: #507 Ziggy_TARDIS

Yeah, I know about that ground game, which makes this so puzzling.

And the fact that the African Americans turned out for her in the Primaries, giving her the nomination.

I think we’re at the point of the campaign where pundits just want to publish content and something like this comes off as a “think piece.” Nobody will be talking about this issue by dinner time tonight, let alone in a couple of days.

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b.d.  Sep 29, 2016 • 10:30:53am

re: #512 FormerDirtDart

…YUGE crowds…

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WE DIDN’T SHOW UP TO PROTEST BECAUSE WE HAVE JOBS TO BE AT!!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 29, 2016 • 10:33:11am
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BeachDem  Sep 29, 2016 • 10:35:10am

re: #402 Backwoods_Sleuth

building collapse in Covington Kentucky this morning…obviously terrorism….

Shootings at school in South Carolina yesterday—not terrorism because white.

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Alyosha  Sep 29, 2016 • 10:36:03am

re: #510 Alyosha

I should add that the vignette here does not convey properly the statistical improbability of Luigi’s survival.
Indeed, the chapter in which this excerpt can be found is entitled ‘Impossible Choices’. This story is probably the high point.
All else deals with how human beings tend to self-select in a life-threatening crisis.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Sep 29, 2016 • 10:40:55am

So, apparently Trump is too batshit for Frank Miller, who has endorsed Hillary.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 29, 2016 • 10:43:21am

You know, I really wish that, JUST ONCE, I’d encounter a 3rd Party Voter who was willing to take responsibility for their vote. But no, they all have to share one of a selection of bullshit articles that absolve voters of the responsibility for the outcome of their votes. They say “It’s Gore’s fault, because he didn’t win Tennessee!”, or they link to bullshit articles that use a lot of statistical handwaving to ‘prove’ that Nader voters in Florida in 2000 didn’t cause Gore’s defeat, and say “Yeah, well, that’s just, like, your opinion, man!”

Except it’s not. We have actual data, because voters in 2000 were actually asked the question. Nationwide, 47% of Nader voters said they’d have voted for Gore; 18% for Bush, and 32% would have not voted at all. 97,488 people voted for Nader in Florida. Gore lost by 537.

Now, of course, there are lots of other factors, like the Palm Beach County butterfly ballot that gave Pat Fucking Buchanan a lot of votes from a Jewish enclave, which even Pat admitted were unintentional; the superiority of the Bush post-election strategy and ground game; and Antonin Fucking Scalia. But slice it how you will, you can’t absolve Nader voters of some responsibility.

Just once, I’d like to hear one say, “I realize that Trump being elected would be a catastrophe, far worse than it would be if Hillary Clinton won. But it is SO IMPORTANT to me that I not vote for Hillary Clinton that EVEN IF I knew my vote for a third party allowed Trump to become President, I’m willing to bear that responsibility”

Now, in California, and a lot of other blue states, Clinton will have a large enough margin that those inclined to vote for Johnson or Stein will not change the result. Perhaps a significant 3rd Party vote will even help push the Democrats in a more progessive direction, though with the most progressive platform from either major party in history, I’m not sure how.

But in Ohio, in Florida, in other states that WILL make the difference, voters inclined to vote for 3rd parties, even while believing that Trump winning is a far worse outcome than Clinton winning cannot dodge the responsibility for the outcome of their vote.

Saying this simple thing has got my idiot brother and my awfulizing sister* - neither of whom live in states that hang in the balance - insisting that I’m bullying and badgering them to vote how I tell them to. Essentially, they’re using me as a proxy to argue with everyone who tells them they HAFTA vote for Hillary.

*She has built up Hillary Clinton in her mind as almost Reaganesque, saying she’d appoint Justices like Rehnquist, instead of Douglas, even though her husband appointed RBG, and Breyer. When she decides someone is her nemesis, she goes all out.

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Charles Johnson  Sep 29, 2016 • 10:46:04am
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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 29, 2016 • 10:46:38am

Kellyanne has vampire teeth!

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Jayleia  Sep 29, 2016 • 10:46:39am

re: #521 Ziggy_TARDIS

You have to be pretty batshit to out-batshit Frank Miller. I mean, you have to work really fucking hard at that.

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Timothy Watson  Sep 29, 2016 • 10:46:40am

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gwangung  Sep 29, 2016 • 10:48:05am

re: #521 Ziggy_TARDIS

So, apparently Trump is too batshit for Frank Miller, who has endorsed Hillary.

Whoa.

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Teukka  Sep 29, 2016 • 10:48:13am

re: #523 Charles Johnson

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Over/Under on Monica unexpectedly (for him) ripping Trump a new one?

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 29, 2016 • 10:49:26am

re: #524 The Vicious Babushka

Kellyanne has vampire teeth!

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Yeah, and we know how well he listens to advice from women.

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Le Lapin Tueur  Sep 29, 2016 • 10:49:46am

re: #523 Charles Johnson

That was my very first thought.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 29, 2016 • 10:50:06am
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Renaissance_Man  Sep 29, 2016 • 10:51:14am

re: #522 Blind Frog Belly White

Just remember that people are not persuaded by conflicting arguments. Presenting arguments that contradict their opinions will only cause them to dig in harder. And I hope you continue to try - every person we persuade is critical, because the stakes in this election are so unbelievably high.

I’m trying to persuade someone new every day. I live in a key state - every vote here counts for thousands.

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Belafon  Sep 29, 2016 • 10:51:19am

re: #531 Backwoods_Sleuth

That’s easy: Republicans were hoping Democrats would side with Obama and block overturning the veto.

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scottslemmons  Sep 29, 2016 • 10:51:49am

re: #502 FormerDirtDart

Mid day sanity break

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It gets even better — it’s glow-in-the-dark paint!

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Sep 29, 2016 • 10:52:17am

re: #525 Jayleia

Yeah, that is what is so amazing. That apparently him, and the crew of Ms. Marvel are on the same side in regards to the election.

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Dr. Matt  Sep 29, 2016 • 10:52:20am

The “Law and Order Candidate” really has a hard time obeying the law and keeping order.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Sep 29, 2016 • 10:53:33am

re: #533 Belafon

Also the fact that everyone is gunning after Saudi, and no one aside from “Give No Fucks” Reid was willing be ballsy enough to step up.

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jeffreyw  Sep 29, 2016 • 10:54:17am

Late for lunch?

Imgur

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 29, 2016 • 10:55:02am
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Ziggy_TARDIS  Sep 29, 2016 • 10:55:24am

G. Willow Wilson takes a potshot at Johnson:

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gocart mozart  Sep 29, 2016 • 10:58:17am
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dangerman  Sep 29, 2016 • 10:59:07am

re: #522 Blind Frog Belly White

did you see this?

littlegreenfootballs.com

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FormerDirtDart  Sep 29, 2016 • 10:59:41am

re: #536 Dr. Matt

The “Law and Order Candidate” really has a hard time obeying the law and keeping order.

poor people crimes must be enforced…

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 29, 2016 • 11:01:23am

re: #531 Backwoods_Sleuth

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They’re hoist with their own petard and they know it. They allowed this bill to come forward right before the election, knowing that voting against it would seem tantamount to pissing on the graves of the victims, and when Obama played the adult in the room, they decided to hold the vote to override - ANOTHER one that anyone running for reelection ever would have to vote for.

As an aside, though, this points to one reason why I think a HRC Administration may be more effective than Obama’s in dealing with the GOP Congress. Clinton was surprisingly effective in reaching across the aisle as a Senator, even to the same people who’d hounded Bill in the Impeachment.

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austin_blue  Sep 29, 2016 • 11:04:17am

re: #346 lawhawk

LBJ, who was widely known to be a boor and used intimidation as a tactic in Senate and as President, is hardly a hero because of the way he treated the people around him. But he can be lauded for passing the CRA.

The two aren’t equal, and you can distinguish between the two as most people do.

But it’s lovely watching the right wing try to dig through 50 years of history to find someone who did something bad that has nothing to do with Hillary Clinton to try and find hypocrisy in Democrat positions.

As though the GOP doesn’t have hypocrisy, starting with their current nominee Trump. Or his advisers from Bannon on down. Or former advisers like Manafort or Lewandowski.

He’s also been dead for 43 years…

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makeitstop  Sep 29, 2016 • 11:07:03am

ICYMI: Obama Performs Rite of Black Moon To Hand Satan Control of the World

With the end of his dark reign of nigh, Obama plans to fulfill ancient prophecy by performing a ritual that will make the night sky turn completely gules, a ritual that gives Satan official control of the presidency of the United States of America. Obama knows his age of liberal darkness is coming to an end, so wants to do every thing possible to destroy the remnants of American values, Christian heritage and moral conservatism that make America great.

And on the ‘Related Stories’ section, it has Obama performing rites of the ‘Illuminati Blue Moon’ and the ‘Super Blood Moon.’

So take your pick, I guess.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Sep 29, 2016 • 11:08:11am

re: #327 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

It’s not just cellphones now. Samsung also makes exploding washing machines.

bbc.com

If they made bombs, would they not explode?

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allegro  Sep 29, 2016 • 11:08:58am

re: #534 scottslemmons

It gets even better — it’s glow-in-the-dark paint!

Thank you! I was about to go on a search for safe paint for my Buddy. This is brilliant!

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lawhawk  Sep 29, 2016 • 11:21:59am

re: #545 austin_blue

He’s also been dead for 43 years…

Details…. Details…

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 29, 2016 • 11:25:40am

re: #532 Renaissance_Man

Just remember that people are not persuaded by conflicting arguments. Presenting arguments that contradict their opinions will only cause them to dig in harder. And I hope you continue to try - every person we persuade is critical, because the stakes in this election are so unbelievably high.

I’m trying to persuade someone new every day. I live in a key state - every vote here counts for thousands.

Yeah, I don’t care about persuading the unpersuadable. But I’m unwilling to let a bullshit argument stand that might affect the persuadable.

And believe me, I completely left aside the fact that Jill Stein is an idiot and Gary Johnson seems to be drug-addled. And I didn’t mention the clear history in America that shows no Third Party has succeeded in establishing itself permanently - we always revert to two parties. I DID mention that the Tea Party took over the GOP by putting up their own slates of candidate, but then always turned out to vote for the GOP nominee, whoever it was for several cycles. But I didn’t mention that in my experience Progressives AS A GROUP don’t have that level of dedication.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 29, 2016 • 1:59:51pm

re: #477 Backwoods_Sleuth

oh good grief…

Trump Surrogate: Obama Was Given Everything “Because Of The Color Of His Skin”

Obama could been a great opportunity for True Conservatives demonstrate their True Conservative maxim that anyone in this country - regardless of race or social/ethic origin - can make it all the way to the top if they work hard and apply themselves.

But that would have meant - even begrudgingly - giving Obama some credit for his accomplishments and they just could not bring themselves to do that because….

…of the color of his skin.

So instead, he is painted as an affirmative action kid who bought and finagled his way to power by offering free stuff (and with the help of ACORN)


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