Trump’s Mountain of Bullshit Now Too Big for Chuck Todd to Ignore

“You KNOW these are bogus!”
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You know that massive pile of bullshit is getting ridiculously high when not even Chuck Todd can just nod along with Trump’s absurd spokespeople any more. In this clip Jason Miller actually tries to claim that bogus online polls prove Donald Trump won the debate with Hillary Clinton, and our Chuck is, well, he’s aghast. Flabbergasted, even.

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gocart mozart  Sep 29, 2016 • 4:13:15pm
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gocart mozart  Sep 29, 2016 • 4:13:34pm
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gocart mozart  Sep 29, 2016 • 4:15:36pm
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Stanley Sea  Sep 29, 2016 • 4:16:55pm

Sorry for the OT

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 29, 2016 • 4:17:56pm
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gocart mozart  Sep 29, 2016 • 4:18:45pm
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Eric The Fruit Bat  Sep 29, 2016 • 4:20:18pm

re: #4 Stanley Sea

Holy fuck if true.

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dangerman  Sep 29, 2016 • 4:22:15pm

just re-dropping this in from the end of the last thread:

even if SOME of those 31% were just trolling Question 12 because they arent ignoramuses,

the not insignificant remainder WERE NOT

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dangerman  Sep 29, 2016 • 4:23:34pm

re: #6 gocart mozart

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“the beatles. right. paul mccartney’s first band”

sigh…

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allegro  Sep 29, 2016 • 4:26:51pm

Erin Burnett is about to do a segment on Trump’s lies just from his most recent rally. Trump is getting no love on CNN tonight. His spokes people are getting creamed.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 29, 2016 • 4:28:17pm

Kellyanne really has no idea what she’s talking about.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 29, 2016 • 4:30:14pm

re: #11 Backwoods_Sleuth

Kellyanne really has no idea what she’s talking about.

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“Here, Kellyanne, say this.”

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 29, 2016 • 4:31:58pm
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ObserverArt  Sep 29, 2016 • 4:32:25pm

It’s rude and crude, but it’s for Trump and his crappy handlers. I posted this comment in the last thread to this very topic regarding Mr. Jason “Boot Licker” Jordan. I hope after the campaign is over they can wash it off.

I saw that bit. What a putz.

I bet he could find the dog shit in a pile of leaves with his tongue so he could spread it.

Good job Jason Miller…are you getting paid?

(And yes…I’m in bad mood. A tough day…and I am getting real sick of Trump, his staff and Americans thinking of voting for him.)

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 29, 2016 • 4:35:01pm
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Nyet  Sep 29, 2016 • 4:35:59pm

re: #4 Stanley Sea

Netanyahu is a fucking sociopath and should go.

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gocart mozart  Sep 29, 2016 • 4:36:11pm

I few days ago I was mocked for not be deplorable. Good times.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 29, 2016 • 4:36:38pm

re: #13 Backwoods_Sleuth

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As Josh Marshall says, in Trumpworld, infidelity always shames the wife, not the husband. Doesn’t matter which one cheats, it always reflects solely on her.

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Skip Intro  Sep 29, 2016 • 4:37:44pm

Orly Taitz is appalled at all of the bogus scientific polls that don’t support Trump’s opinion of himself.

Call Jason Chaffetz and Trey Gowdy, demand emergency congressional hearing and investigation of pollsters who rig the elections by producing bogus polls and therefor demoralizing voters

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 29, 2016 • 4:40:07pm

re: #14 ObserverArt

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Belafon  Sep 29, 2016 • 4:40:14pm

re: #16 Backwoods_Sleuth

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If you remember, Chuck Todd got his start by correctly analyzing poll data. He may be a putz at the news, but he’s fairly strong - I’m not claiming Nate Silver strong, but strong - at polls.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 29, 2016 • 4:42:26pm
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Archangelus  Sep 29, 2016 • 4:42:36pm

Speaking of Silver, the latest 538 figures show quite the rise in the wake of the debate (not as high as post-convention figures, but a significant rise compared to prior to the debate - undid a one-month decline)…

Good news for the Senate too (for anyone not a RWNJ ofc):

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Charles Johnson  Sep 29, 2016 • 4:43:25pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 29, 2016 • 4:44:51pm

re: #23 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Jesus, talk about circularity.

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Nyet  Sep 29, 2016 • 4:45:32pm

re: #24 Archangelus

It’s a now-cast, with the more meaningful two other options slightly less optimistic - but I’m thankful for anything over 60%.

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nines09  Sep 29, 2016 • 4:46:17pm

re: #23 Backwoods_Sleuth

Chuck Todd trips over the truth. Wow. Headlines. Tomorrow? “Why is Hillary (fill in blank)?”

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Nyet  Sep 29, 2016 • 4:47:19pm

And here is Sam Wang, for those wishing for some eye candy:

Clinton Nov. win probability: random drift 73%, Bayesian 82%

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 29, 2016 • 4:47:41pm
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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 29, 2016 • 4:48:07pm

Trump surrogates, like Trump himself, will just repeat the same lies over and over no matter how forcefully they are called out on it. It’s time for media to cut the mic when when they double down. Enough of this shit.

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scottslemmons  Sep 29, 2016 • 4:48:27pm

re: #30 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Glenn Reynolds will be furious.

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gocart mozart  Sep 29, 2016 • 4:51:12pm

Trump blows goats. There is no official report yet but Trump has never denied it. It’s out in the public though, on the internet and everything.

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Nyet  Sep 29, 2016 • 4:51:31pm

Print media endorsing Hillary:

en.wikipedia.org

Magazines

The Advocate[2,136]
BUST[2,137]
Philadelphia[2,138]
Rolling Stone[819]
WIRED[2,139]
Daily Newspapers

The Arizona Republic (Phoenix)[2,140]
The Baltimore Sun (Baltimore, MD)[2,141]
Charleston Gazette-Mail (Charleston, WV)[2,142]
Chattanooga Times Free Press[2,143]
The Cincinnati Enquirer[2,140]
City Newspaper (Rochester, NY)[2,144]
The Dallas Morning News[2,140]
Dallas Voice[2,145]
Falls Church News-Press (Falls Church, VA)[2,146]
The Fresno Bee (Fresno, CA)[2,147]
Houston Chronicle[2,140]
Indy Week (Raleigh, NC)[2,148]
Kyiv Post[2,149]
Los Angeles Times[2,150]
New Pittsburgh Courier[2,151]
New York Daily News[2,152]
The New York Times[2,153]
The Observer (London)[2,154]
Portland Press Herald (Portland, ME)[2,155]
The St. Louis American[2,156]
The Sacramento Bee[2,157]
San Francisco Chronicle[2,158]
San Jose Mercury News[2,159]
The Santa Fe New Mexican[2,160]
Washington Blade (Washington, DC)[2,161]
Weekly Newspapers

The Athens NEWS (2x Weekly) (Athens, OH)[2,162]

Print media endorsing the Donald:

en.wikipedia.org

Newspapers, magazines, and other media
National Enquirer

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Belafon  Sep 29, 2016 • 4:52:09pm

re: #30 Backwoods_Sleuth

I just love how many newspapers have said “We’ve never ________ in, like, forever, but we have to oppose Trump, and that means backing Clinton for president.”

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 29, 2016 • 4:53:11pm

re: #25 Charles Johnson

This is like the old Clinton Era ‘reporting on the existence of reports of a scandal’ thing but on steroids. Back then, it would be some disreputable rag like American Spectator that would make some claim, and then the networks would report that the claim had been made, therefore mainstreaming the claim. Once there, the GOP poiticians and pundits would say “ABC News says this is going on! We should investigate!”

Here, we have a propaganda arm of Putin making a claim, and then a disreputable website reporting the claim is being made, and now the GOP Presidential Candidate is making the claim IN HIS SPEECHES.

It’s starting even lower, and going even higher, in fewer steps!

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 29, 2016 • 4:53:46pm

re: #33 gocart mozart

Trump blows goats. There is no official report yet but Trump has never denied it. It’s out in the public though, on the internet and everything.

It was reported on a blog, just this week.

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gocart mozart  Sep 29, 2016 • 4:53:50pm
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Nyet  Sep 29, 2016 • 4:56:34pm

re: #34 Nyet

OK, so the Trumpoids haven’t been policing that wiki entry I guess, because there are two more:

During the primary race, Trump won only a couple significant newspaper endorsements. He received a lukewarm April endorsement from Rupert Murdoch’s New York Post, which noted the candidate’s “amateurish, divisive” and “downright coarse” language. The New York Observer, a weekly paper owned by Trump’s son-in-law Jared Kushner, endorsed him days later. (Trump also won the support of the National Enquirer).

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Nyet  Sep 29, 2016 • 4:57:12pm

re: #40 Nyet

Oh wait sorry, primary race.

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gocart mozart  Sep 29, 2016 • 4:57:24pm
It was reported on a blog, just this week.

This just in: we have a second unconfirmed report that Trump blows goats! Needs more confirmation but if this turns out to be true it could be a game changer.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 29, 2016 • 4:57:36pm

donald still going on about the birth certificate.

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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 29, 2016 • 4:58:13pm

Called in by Milo himself, no doubt.

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EPR-radar  Sep 29, 2016 • 4:58:35pm

re: #33 gocart mozart

Trump blows goats. There is no official report yet but Trump has never denied it. It’s out in the public though, on the internet and everything.

Live goats, dead goats, or both? The public needs to know. There’s also the compelling question of whether Trump has performed a flying fuck on a rolling donut, as some have claimed. Just in, a report about Trump molesting dead pigeons. We report, you decide.

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ObserverArt  Sep 29, 2016 • 4:59:45pm

re: #25 Charles Johnson

Charles Johnson ✔ @Green_Footballs
Good grief. The Breitbart article CITES Sputnik News. That’s where they got this bogus report. @SopanDeb @jhamby @JasonMillerinDC @chucktodd
7:42 PM - 29 Sep 2016

Yeah…but it is out there!

Yes…it sure is…Jason says it’s good because it is being discussed. So this is how it is done. You launch crazy talk into a crazy site and then say “people are talking about it…so it has traction. It must be something…questions are being asked!

It’s like having a fevered nightmare, waking up and saying…”wow, that was freaky…it must be true!”

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Charles Johnson  Sep 29, 2016 • 5:01:14pm

re: #44 The Vicious Babushka

When I click a link to Jim’s shitty blog now, I get a popup window with an advertisement in it, and a blank window where his shitty blog is supposed to be, that never fills in.

I was thinking it might be his new look, matching his intellect.

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Nyet  Sep 29, 2016 • 5:01:35pm

re: #25 Charles Johnson

The sad thing is that Todd basically concedes that Breitbart is a source worth discussing (when it’s not based on Putin’s propaganda).

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allegro  Sep 29, 2016 • 5:01:51pm

re: #31 The Vicious Babushka

Trump surrogates, like Trump himself, will just repeat the same lies over and over no matter how forcefully they are called out on it. It’s time for media to cut the mic when when they double down. Enough of this shit.

I see a lot of eye rolling and snickering when they talk now and direct pushback on their diversion crap. I don’t watch Fox but it appears that everywhere else on teevee, at least what I’ve seen, Trump is appropriately mocked and his spox get no respect. Encouraging.

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Nyet  Sep 29, 2016 • 5:02:17pm

Whereas Breitbart has as much credibility as Sputnik.

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Tigger2  Sep 29, 2016 • 5:03:39pm
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Belafon  Sep 29, 2016 • 5:03:56pm

re: #44 The Vicious Babushka

Called in by Milo himself, no doubt.

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Skip Intro  Sep 29, 2016 • 5:04:09pm

re: #48 Nyet

The sad thing is that Todd basically concedes that Breitbart is a source worth discussing (when it’s not based on Putin’s propaganda).

Apparently Todd has forgotten that Breitbart is run by the CEO of Trump’s campaign. No conflict of interest there, I guess.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Sep 29, 2016 • 5:04:26pm

re: #48 Nyet

I’m firmly convinced that Breitbart and Trump are now fellow travelers with Putin’s bunch.

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Dragonomics  Sep 29, 2016 • 5:04:30pm

I saw a goat yesterday that appeared to have possibly been freshly blown by Trump. More as my investigation continues.

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Nyet  Sep 29, 2016 • 5:04:36pm

re: #53 Skip Intro

Apparently Todd has forgotten that Breitbart is run by the CEO of Trump’s campaign. No conflict of interest there, I guess.

Great point.

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Nyet  Sep 29, 2016 • 5:04:46pm

re: #54 Eric The Fruit Bat

I’m firmly convinced that Breitbart and Trump are now fellow travelers with Putin’s bunch.

Of course they are.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 29, 2016 • 5:04:59pm

The senator who will take over Harry Reed’s leadership position in the Senate:

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Belafon  Sep 29, 2016 • 5:07:22pm

re: #58 Backwoods_Sleuth

The senator who will take over Harry Reed’s leadership position in the Senate:

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I do disagree with Shumer on this. Sorry to break it to everyone, but US domestic policy ends at our borders. If you want to sue a country, go to that country.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 29, 2016 • 5:07:22pm
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allegro  Sep 29, 2016 • 5:08:18pm

re: #58 Backwoods_Sleuth

The senator who will take over Harry Reed’s leadership position in the Senate:

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I still haven’t figured out which court has jurisdiction over an international lawsuit and what body has authority to implement any judgment.

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Barefoot Grin  Sep 29, 2016 • 5:09:28pm

re: #23 Backwoods_Sleuth

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How much the fuck does that Miller (or Todd) guy get paid anyway? Cuz I ain’t making it and I think I could do that.

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Nyet  Sep 29, 2016 • 5:13:17pm

re: #59 Belafon

I don’t have an opinion on this issue, but I know Schumer to be a jerk who shouldn’t be anywhere near that future leadership position.

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Nyet  Sep 29, 2016 • 5:21:02pm

As for the suing thing… it’s complicated. You can’t exactly go to SA to sue them without risking losing your head quite literally, and they have properties on the US soil, so if one wants to make them accountable for this or that, it makes sense to sue where the properties are. (Same with Russia etc.) But. Diplomacy is also no piece of cake, as well as possible other repercussions for Americans which the President has to keep in mind. So, yeah, complicated. I can see the points of both sides here.

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Scottishdragon  Sep 29, 2016 • 5:23:30pm

re: #12 Blind Frog Belly White

“Here, Kellyanne, say this.”

At what point does Kellyanne get tarred for the rest of her life as a Leni Riefenstahl?

A decent person with an operating soul should have jumped ship long before this point.

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De Kolta Chair  Sep 29, 2016 • 5:24:03pm

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Charles Johnson  Sep 29, 2016 • 5:24:38pm

re: #66 Scottishdragon

At what point does Kellyanne get tarred for the rest of her life as a Leni Riefenstahl?

A decent person with an operating soul should have jumped ship long before this point.

She was working for Ted Cruz before this, so she passed the Riefenstahl point long ago.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Sep 29, 2016 • 5:24:50pm

re: #65 The Vicious Babushka

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Nyet  Sep 29, 2016 • 5:24:50pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 29, 2016 • 5:25:26pm

re: #69 Eric The Fruit Bat

What a putz. The responder says he’s an intern at CNN, but Holt works for NBC.

Eeejets.

He was trolling the Trump fan.

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Scottishdragon  Sep 29, 2016 • 5:25:50pm

re: #18 gocart mozart

I few days ago I was mocked for not be deplorable. Good times.

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An alt right Native American.

*sigh*

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freetoken  Sep 29, 2016 • 5:25:54pm

re: #70 Nyet

That picture is quite effective.

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Scottishdragon  Sep 29, 2016 • 5:26:14pm

re: #68 Charles Johnson

She was working for Ted Cruz before this, so she passed the Riefenstahl point long ago.

True.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Sep 29, 2016 • 5:27:14pm

re: #71 Backwoods_Sleuth

Stupid me. Should have continued on.

Got my absentee ballot in the mail today. Time to do my civic duty.

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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 29, 2016 • 5:27:42pm

re: #69 Eric The Fruit Bat

What a putz. The responder says he’s an intern at CNN, but Holt works for NBC.

Eeejets.

I think those messages are fake. “Destroyed my VHSs”

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Nyet  Sep 29, 2016 • 5:28:36pm

re: #73 freetoken

That picture is quite effective.

This picture was SUPER EFFECTIVE. TRUMP lost!

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allegro  Sep 29, 2016 • 5:29:33pm

OT weekend binging sanity break: Marvel’s Luke Cage is released tomorrow.

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Nyet  Sep 29, 2016 • 5:30:28pm

re: #78 allegro

Yess.

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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 29, 2016 • 5:30:51pm

WHUT

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De Kolta Chair  Sep 29, 2016 • 5:31:40pm

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lawhawk  Sep 29, 2016 • 5:32:37pm

Look, I get that Schumer, Gillibrand, Booker, and Menendez all want to try and get their constituents funds that they deserve from those behind the 9/11 attacks, but the legislation is seriously flawed and all should know better. They took the easy route by pushing this legislation instead of figuring a way to do it right.

Obama vetoed on the general principle.

Congress overrode his veto, as is their right.

That Congress now has regrets because they actually read what they passed and all the problems that Obama pointed out in the legislation is actually in the legislation and causes all kinds of problems for US foreign policy down the road is on Congress, particularly the leadership behind the bill.

The GOP wanted to embarrass the President. Democrats wanted a fix for their constituents. Combined, they fucked up. That’s all on them.

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Charles Johnson  Sep 29, 2016 • 5:33:08pm

The Rage Furby is turning his smear cannon against Kurt Eichenwald today. He’s been on a roll lately, getting uglier and uglier.

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Big Beautiful Door  Sep 29, 2016 • 5:33:08pm

re: #61 allegro

I still haven’t figured out which court has jurisdiction over an international lawsuit and what body has authority to implement any judgment.

If they got a judgment they would go after Saudi assets in the U.S.

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De Kolta Chair  Sep 29, 2016 • 5:34:34pm

re: #84 Charles Johnson

The Rage Furby is turning his smear cannon against Kurt Eichenwald today. He’s been on a roll lately, getting uglier and uglier.

Something tells me Kurt Eichenwald can hold his own, especially against this little fart.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 29, 2016 • 5:35:17pm

re: #68 Charles Johnson

She was working for Ted Cruz before this, so she passed the Riefenstahl point long ago.

Yeah, but didn’t Riefenstahl have at least some talent as a filmmaker? Whereas Conway’s talents are…? I mean, she was a pollster for Cruz, right? But what does it even mean to be a pollster for Trump? You tell the Flying Monkeys which online user polls to freep?

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Nyet  Sep 29, 2016 • 5:35:18pm

re: #82 De Kolta Chair

There’s medication for that.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Sep 29, 2016 • 5:35:37pm

re: #80 Nyet

It wouldn’t surprise me if most of the questions aren’t aimed at Trump.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 29, 2016 • 5:36:06pm

re: #84 Charles Johnson

The Rage Furby is turning his smear cannon against Kurt Eichenwald today. He’s been on a roll lately, getting uglier and uglier.

If he’s anything, he’s pathetically predictable.

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Scottishdragon  Sep 29, 2016 • 5:36:41pm

WE had an active shooter drill at the school where I was subbing today in NC. I doubt that it is not a coincidence that it happened one day after a school shooting a few hours south of us in SC.

I cannot tell you how depressing this sort of thing is. Getting the kids to hide in the far corner while we lock the doors, shutter the windows and turn the lights off.

I remember having air raid drills in elementary school in Yucaipa since we were in the air burst radius of a Russian nuke targeting Norton AFB in San Bernardino (duck and cover!).

Thank God we never had to try that one out for real.

However, the one we practice for now happens every month.

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ExpatGirl  Sep 29, 2016 • 5:36:53pm

I never watch #ChuckChuckTodd but turned it on today for noise. So glad I did! That was amazing TV.

#ChuckChuckTodd: Do you have any evidence to back up your Google claims?
Miller: There have been articles!
#ChuckChuckTodd: You mean the article in Sputnik?!?
Miller: And Breitbart!

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allegro  Sep 29, 2016 • 5:37:06pm

re: #85 Big Beautiful Door

If they got a judgment they would go after Saudi assets in the U.S.

Uh… what could go wrong?

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Bubblehead II  Sep 29, 2016 • 5:37:39pm

Re post from downstairs.

Goodnight Lizards. See you tomorrow. That is of course, if I wake up on the green side of the grass. If it’s on the root side. well then, all bets are off.

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Nyet  Sep 29, 2016 • 5:37:43pm

re: #92 ExpatGirl

I never watch #ChuckChuckTodd but turned it on today for noise. So glad I did! That was amazing TV.

#ChuckChuckTodd: Do you have any evidence to back up your Google claims?
Miller: There have been articles!
#ChuckChuckTodd: You mean the article in Sputnik?!?
Miller: And Breitbart!

“See, that’s like, two sources right there reporting it!”

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De Kolta Chair  Sep 29, 2016 • 5:38:06pm

Well, it’s been an honor knowing you all…

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allegro  Sep 29, 2016 • 5:39:24pm

re: #91 Scottishdragon

WE had an active shooter drill at the school where I was subbing today in NC. I doubt that it is not a coincidence that it happened one day after a school shooting a few hours south of us in SC.

I cannot tell you how depressing this sort of thing is. Getting the kids to hide in the far corner while we lock the doors, shutter the windows and turn the lights off.

I remember having air raid drills in elementary school in Yucaipa since we were in the air burst radius of a Russian nuke targeting Norton AFB in San Bernardino (duck and cover!).

Thank God we never had to try that one out for real.

However, the one we practice for now happens every month.

The NRA is thrilled with this. Scare the crap outa them as children so they’ll be easily convinced to buy and hoard guns.

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stpaulbear  Sep 29, 2016 • 5:39:37pm

I’ve been on the road for work the last three days. Has anyone posted this yet?

Thoughts & Prayers App Commercial

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 29, 2016 • 5:40:13pm

The Saudis are threatening to dump their US Treasury holdings (~$100 billion)

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lawhawk  Sep 29, 2016 • 5:41:09pm

Chuck Todd is nothing if not predictable. He’s about maintaining access to famous people so that they’re willing to appear on his show again. Therefore he’s more than willing to overlook all but the most heinous and egregious actions or statements.

Trump’s extremism has finally jumped the line. It’s impossible to ignore, but Todd will not press the Trump campaign to the degree required because access is paramount.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Sep 29, 2016 • 5:41:24pm

re: #84 Charles Johnson

I see he’s also shut down his comment section on GotNews.

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Big Beautiful Door  Sep 29, 2016 • 5:42:37pm

re: #80 Nyet

The first debate was a defeat for Trump. Here’s why the second could be an outright massacre.

If Trump was smart he would use the excuse that the debates are “rigged” to back out of the last two debates. He would take a hit being relentlessly mocked for being afraid of Hillary, but at least all of his faults wouldn’t get exposed before huge audiences two more times. Fortunately, I don’t think his ego will let him back out.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 29, 2016 • 5:43:08pm
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Scottishdragon  Sep 29, 2016 • 5:43:19pm

re: #87 Blind Frog Belly White

Yeah, but didn’t Riefenstahl have at least some talent as a filmmaker? Whereas Conway’s talents are…? I mean, she was a pollster for Cruz, right? But what does it even mean to be a pollster for Trump? You tell the Flying Monkey’s which online user polls to freep?

Conway is the public spokeswoman (and internal organizer) for a proto fascist and his campaign that is within a few percentage points of taking over the worlds largest intelligence services, the worlds most powerful military, and enough nuclear weapons to incinerate the human race several times over.

She took him from a massive double digit deficit to a 1 point gap.

That takes talent. It also takes a certain Machiavellian capacity to tolerate intrinsic evil in order to beat the other ‘tribe’.

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PhillyPretzel  Sep 29, 2016 • 5:44:20pm

re: #103 Backwoods_Sleuth

Why am I not surprised?

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HappyWarrior  Sep 29, 2016 • 5:44:57pm

re: #97 allegro

The NRA is thrilled with this. Scare the crap outa them as children so they’ll be easily convinced to buy and hoard guns.

Indeed, the NRA loves people to be scared. More fear- more guns.

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lawhawk  Sep 29, 2016 • 5:46:46pm

re: #102 Big Beautiful Door

If Trump was smart he would use the excuse that the debates are “rigged” to back out of the last two debates. He would take a hit being relentlessly mocked for being afraid of Hillary, but at least all of his faults wouldn’t get exposed before huge audiences two more times. Fortunately, I don’t think his ego will let him back out.

He’s in a no-win situation with the remaining debates. He’s now got a mountain to climb to overcome the disaster of the first, while Clinton gets to press her advantage.

He’d be mocked for running from Clinton by skipping the debates, which would show he’s a weak candidate who can’t stand up to a *gasp* woman, let alone one named Clinton. He’d never live that down, which is why he’s got to do the debate. His ego wouldn’t let him do otherwise.

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Jenner7  Sep 29, 2016 • 5:47:04pm

Tweet #FollowTheMoney when you retweet his lawlessness.

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teleskiguy  Sep 29, 2016 • 5:47:04pm
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Jay C  Sep 29, 2016 • 5:47:58pm

re: #84 Charles Johnson

The Rage Furby is turning his smear cannon against Kurt Eichenwald today. He’s been on a roll lately, getting uglier and uglier.

Umm, Charles: isn’t that “smear cannon” a notably smaller caliber of weapon than some (i.e., the wingnut web) might take it to be? (like, maybe, .17 caliber pellet-gun??)

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Sep 29, 2016 • 5:48:14pm

re: #103 Backwoods_Sleuth

Question: Why has it been allowed to operate so long as a charitable organization in the state? Isn’t is still covered as a federal charitable organization?

But here’s the real zinger at the end of the article:

Unlike his father’s charity, however, the Eric Trump Foundation has registered to solicit funds in the state and files an annual audit report. The two Trump foundations share an accountant, Donald Bender of the firm WeiserMazars. A spokeswoman for the firm declined to comment Thursday.

Quday’s actually more ethical that his father!

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Sherlock Hound  Sep 29, 2016 • 5:48:27pm

re: #76 The Vicious Babushka

I think those messages are fake. “Destroyed my VHSs”

“belt clip for my phone”
LOL!

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Big Beautiful Door  Sep 29, 2016 • 5:48:29pm

re: #99 Backwoods_Sleuth

The Saudis are threatening to dump their US Treasury holdings (~$100 billion)

It would make sense. But its not going to hurt the market; there is an insatiable demand for US government debt.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 29, 2016 • 5:49:11pm

re: #111 Eric The Fruit Bat

Question: Why has it been allowed to operate so long as a charitable organization in the state? Isn’t is still covered as a federal charitable organization?

I have no idea

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Charles Johnson  Sep 29, 2016 • 5:49:44pm

The Daily Caller picked up Chuck’s disgusting smear against Alicia Machado today.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 29, 2016 • 5:49:54pm

re: #113 Big Beautiful Door

It would make sense. But its not going to hurt the market; there is an insatiable demand for US government debt.

But it removes it as an asset that could be seized.

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goddamnedfrank  Sep 29, 2016 • 5:50:35pm

It just keeps getting worse and worse.

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Stanley Sea  Sep 29, 2016 • 5:51:13pm

re: #103 Backwoods_Sleuth

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HappyWarrior  Sep 29, 2016 • 5:51:45pm

re: #117 goddamnedfrank

It just keeps getting worse and worse.

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Clinton is going to have a lot of ammo against him at the next debates. Kaine too.

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lawhawk  Sep 29, 2016 • 5:51:48pm

re: #110 Jay C

Tabletop version.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 29, 2016 • 5:52:03pm

lolololol

#Trump surrogate Steve Cortes on #Trump breaking the Cuba embargo: “If this is a violation, it would be a very technical one.”

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darthstar  Sep 29, 2016 • 5:52:10pm

Wow. Even Chuck Todd gets it? That’s bad.

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Scottishdragon  Sep 29, 2016 • 5:52:10pm

re: #97 allegro

The NRA is thrilled with this. Scare the crap outa them as children so they’ll be easily convinced to buy and hoard guns.

Sure made me want to go buy and hoard Peacekeeper missiles…

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(In truth, I did work for a geo consulting firm called Earth Technology in San Berdo that did a feasibility study in basing the LGM-118 Peacekeeper on mobile train launch platforms to avoid a first strike. It was a damned good summer job for a geology student back in the 80’s. I still have the shirt from that job that has a bunch of missiles loaded haphazard onto a train with an alligator wearing a train engineer hat…the joke being we called data inconsistencies “alligators” since they would bite you in the ass)

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Big Beautiful Door  Sep 29, 2016 • 5:52:15pm

re: #116 Backwoods_Sleuth

But it removes it as an asset that could be seized.

That’s why it makes sense for the Saudis to do it.

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Schroedinger's Dog  Sep 29, 2016 • 5:54:49pm

I nearly got run over by the motorcade of a Tibetan Religious leader last year. Fortunately the lead cars honked loud enough to warn me. But for a brief moment, I was caught on the horns of a Dali Llama.

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Tigger2  Sep 29, 2016 • 5:56:27pm

re: #125 De Kolta Chair

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One wacko endorsing another wacko.

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Scottishdragon  Sep 29, 2016 • 5:56:48pm

re: #115 Charles Johnson

The Daily Caller picked up Chuck’s disgusting smear against Alicia Machado today.

The wingnuts are after her with a vengeance. I saw the FB hits being put out on the Khan family, so it doesn’t surprise me at this point. Calling her a porn actress etc.

The Daily Beast debunked a lot of this stuff this morning, but it is already wingnut canon and will be for decades to come. Once Drudge and Limbaugh announce a meme, it can never be questioned or retracted. They are still reciting provably false bullshit about Sandra Fluke etc.

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lawhawk  Sep 29, 2016 • 5:57:44pm

re: #121 Backwoods_Sleuth

Technical…. as in the line was drawn here, and you not only merely crossed it, but blew right past it and considered ways to hide how you crossed the line.

Think of it as a wall. The embargo was a wall. Trump decided he wanted to get into Cuba for business, didn’t care that the wall was there, and found a way to avoid the embargo so that he could seek further potential profits. And he tried to benefit from being in the other country while ignoring the laws in place.

He broke the law.

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Barefoot Grin  Sep 29, 2016 • 5:57:59pm

re: #126 Schroedinger’s Dog

I nearly got run over by the motorcade of a Tibetan Religious leader last year. Fortunately the lead cars honked loud enough to warn me. But for a brief moment, I was caught on the horns of a Dali Lana.

Del Rey wondering if I should play the video game.

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Schroedinger's Dog  Sep 29, 2016 • 5:58:38pm

re: #121 Backwoods_Sleuth

lolololol

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Steve Cortes Reminds me of Baghdad Bob

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Scottishdragon  Sep 29, 2016 • 5:58:55pm

Tired and hungry. See you all later.

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Schroedinger's Dog  Sep 29, 2016 • 5:59:20pm

re: #130 Barefoot Grin

Del Rey wondering if I should play the video game.

Stupid autocorrect is my worst enema

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HappyWarrior  Sep 29, 2016 • 5:59:37pm

re: #128 Scottishdragon

The wingnuts are after her with a vengeance. I saw the FB hits being put out on the Khan family, so it doesn’t surprise me at this point. Calling her a porn actress etc.

The Daily Beast debunked a lot of this stuff this morning, but it is already wingnut canon and will be for decades to come. Once Drudge and Limbaugh announce a meme, it can never be questioned or retracted. They are still reciting provably false bullshit about Sandra Fluke etc.

I was thinking of Sandra Fluke too. As you say, once Rushbo and Drudge start the smears, it becomes accepted truth without question.

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Charles Johnson  Sep 29, 2016 • 6:00:25pm
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allegro  Sep 29, 2016 • 6:01:44pm

re: #126 Schroedinger’s Dog

I nearly got run over by the motorcade of a Tibetan Religious leader last year. Fortunately the lead cars honked loud enough to warn me. But for a brief moment, I was caught on the horns of a Dali Lana.

I (and several others) about got run over by a Ronald Reagan motorcade at Bradley U. in 1972 when he spoke on campus. They saw us but just kept coming, not even slowing down. I never forgot that.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 29, 2016 • 6:02:26pm

Ha! This should be exceedingly ridiculous (but I’m not staying up that late).

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Charles Johnson  Sep 29, 2016 • 6:04:13pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 29, 2016 • 6:04:21pm

re: #135 Charles Johnson

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Belafon  Sep 29, 2016 • 6:04:58pm

re: #64 Nyet

As for the suing thing… it’s complicated. You can’t exactly go to SA to sue them without risking losing your head quite literally, and they have properties on the US soil, so if one wants to make them accountable for this or that, it makes sense to sue where the properties are. (Same with Russia etc.) But. Diplomacy is also no piece of cake, as well as possible other repercussions for Americans which the President has to keep in mind. So, yeah, complicated. I can see the points of both sides here.

My take on this law is that it’s just another attempt to keep the US from having to take care of its citizens.

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Stanley Sea  Sep 29, 2016 • 6:07:26pm

re: #138 Charles Johnson

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IMO She’s definitely going to bring up Cuba.

And actually if he touches the Clinton Foundation, she has enough ammo to get him denying.

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De Kolta Chair  Sep 29, 2016 • 6:07:27pm

NEGROES PLEASE CALM DOWN, WE’RE ON YOUR SIDE (REPLYING TO THIS COMMENT WILL COST $100 PER WORD)

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EPR-radar  Sep 29, 2016 • 6:11:13pm

re: #135 Charles Johnson

At this rate, the GOP will be trying to co-opt the Swastika in the 2020 election cycle.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 29, 2016 • 6:12:01pm

re: #103 Backwoods_Sleuth

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EPR-radar  Sep 29, 2016 • 6:12:58pm

re: #136 allegro

I (and several others) about got run over by a Ronald Reagan motorcade at Bradley U. in 1972 when he spoke on campus. They saw us but just kept coming, not even slowing down. I never forgot that.

That might be POTUS security SOP, rather than a reflection of Reagan’s personal values.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 29, 2016 • 6:14:58pm
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De Kolta Chair  Sep 29, 2016 • 6:15:19pm

In a minute on TCM, Gene Wilder starring in Mel Brooks’ masterpiece Young Frankenstein.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 29, 2016 • 6:16:48pm

re: #147 De Kolta Chair

In a minute on TCM, Gene Wilder starring in Mel Brooks’ masterpiece Young Frankenstein

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Was looking at a portrait of one of my second great grandmothers. Striking resemblance to Frau Blucher.

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goddamnedfrank  Sep 29, 2016 • 6:19:41pm
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thedopefishlives  Sep 29, 2016 • 6:20:24pm

*stumbles in the door staggering and slurring slightly* Evening Lizardim.

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petesh  Sep 29, 2016 • 6:21:07pm

re: #80 Nyet

The first debate was a defeat for Trump. Here’s why the second could be an outright massacre.

I completely agree. I think it’s Clinton’s best format, and Trump’s worst. Actually, I think she won the election on Monday, but the next one is for the Senate. And the third might just be for the House — if only to keep it close, because Ryan can’t herd his cats anywhere near as well as Pelosi could. Hold on to your optimism, there will be squalls ahead, but I’m pretty confident.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 29, 2016 • 6:22:02pm

re: #149 goddamnedfrank

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Really liked Takei pointing out how stupid minded the Sanders supporters that now support Johnson are being.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 29, 2016 • 6:22:29pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 29, 2016 • 6:23:04pm
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Eric The Fruit Bat  Sep 29, 2016 • 6:29:04pm

Read this and weep: The millenials and going to trash the election.

With just six weeks to go until Election Day, younger voters are shunning the two major political parties on a scale not seen since Ross Perot’s third-party bid for the presidency in 1992, a striking swing in public opinion that is slicing into Hillary Clinton’s thin margin for error.

Though young people are notoriously fickle about showing up at the polls, they are a growing and potentially pivotal bloc of voters. Millennials now outnumber baby boomers as the country’s largest generation. And while they may be more predisposed than other groups to vote Democratic, they are not moving toward the party and its nominee as quickly and predictably as they have in past elections.

The Clinton campaign held several events on Wednesday aimed at millennials, underscoring the urgency with which she and her team are working to lock down the group: about 75 million Americans. Mrs. Clinton traveled to New Hampshire with her former primary rival, Senator Bernie Sanders of Vermont, for a rally with college students.

The first lady, Michelle Obama, spent the day visiting campuses in Philadelphia and Pittsburgh. She had blunt words for anyone thinking about voting for a third party. “If you vote for someone other than Hillary, or if you don’t vote at all,” she said, “then you are helping to elect Hillary’s opponent.”

Though Mrs. Clinton is riding high after a strong debate performance on Monday, during which she explicitly mentioned issues, like climate change, that appeal to the young, she has a lot of ground to make up.

Several factors are complicating the immense task of registering and turning out millennials, the 18- to 34-year-olds who are already hard to reach because their media consumption habits do not lend themselves to traditional television-focused campaigns.

They tend not to be motivated by any single, unifying issue, making the job of messaging harder. They are declaring themselves unaffiliated with either party at a rate faster than any other generation. They say the political process and the two-party system are unresponsive to their concerns.

And, in what is one of the most difficult barriers for Mrs. Clinton to break through, young people often display little understanding of how a protest vote for a third-party candidate, or not voting at all, can alter the outcome of a close election.

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freetoken  Sep 29, 2016 • 6:32:38pm

re: #155 Eric The Fruit Bat

… young people often display little understanding …

Insert snide remark from your local curmudgeon here.

These days I have little interaction with people half my age. I do have friends on Facebook that are millennials, but only one posts anything in favor of Gary Johnson, the others either post Clinton or Drumpfskind stuff. No Steinnuts on my Facebook wall.

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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 29, 2016 • 6:33:13pm

NOT THIS SHIT AGAIN

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Barefoot Grin  Sep 29, 2016 • 6:33:38pm

re: #144 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 29, 2016 • 6:33:59pm
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Belafon  Sep 29, 2016 • 6:34:09pm

re: #155 Eric The Fruit Bat

Read this and weep: The millenials and going to trash the election.

And yet she’s still ahead.

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Barefoot Grin  Sep 29, 2016 • 6:34:27pm

re: #157 The Vicious Babushka

NOT THIS SHIT AGAIN

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allegro  Sep 29, 2016 • 6:34:39pm

re: #145 EPR-radar

That might be POTUS security SOP, rather than a reflection of Reagan’s personal values.

Note the date. He wasn’t POTUS and that wasn’t SS. We were students on campus on an inner campus drive. There was no excuse - they could have just beeped the horn to let us know they were coming behind us. We had to leap out of the path and then nearly got swiped.

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PhillyPretzel  Sep 29, 2016 • 6:34:54pm

re: #157 The Vicious Babushka

Is Ann sniffing airplane glue again?

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Stanley Sea  Sep 29, 2016 • 6:36:25pm
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Belafon  Sep 29, 2016 • 6:36:59pm

re: #156 freetoken

Insert snide remark from your local curmudgeon here.

These days I have little interaction with people half my age. I do have friends on Facebook that are millennials, but only one posts anything in favor of Gary Johnson, the others either post Clinton or Drumpfskind stuff. No Steinnuts on my Facebook wall.

The millenials I know are voting. The ones that I know who they are voting for are voting for Clinton. I suspect some of the ones I work with are voting for Trump.

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De Kolta Chair  Sep 29, 2016 • 6:37:57pm

Trump/Stein 2016 — We’re Too Old To Die From Measles And Your Kids Are Way Too Ugly To Live!!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 29, 2016 • 6:38:37pm

I missed seeing this tweet earlier today:

They aren’t hiding it at all anymore.

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A wild WITHAK appeared!  Sep 29, 2016 • 6:40:20pm
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thedopefishlives  Sep 29, 2016 • 6:40:27pm

re: #167 Backwoods_Sleuth

I missed seeing this tweet earlier today:

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They aren’t hiding it at all anymore.

Why should they? Drumpf is representing them openly, and nobody is bitchslapping him for it. Well, to be fair, Hillary is trying, but she’s trying not to invoke too much severe rhetoric so as not to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 29, 2016 • 6:41:25pm
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De Kolta Chair  Sep 29, 2016 • 6:41:30pm

re: #148 HappyWarrior

Was looking at a portrait of one of my second great grandmothers. Striking resemblance to Frau Blucher.

Frau Blucher

;-)

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HappyWarrior  Sep 29, 2016 • 6:43:02pm

re: #170 Backwoods_Sleuth

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teleskiguy  Sep 29, 2016 • 6:43:04pm

re: #170 Backwoods_Sleuth

HOW DARE YOU USE OUR OWN WORDS OUT OF OUR MOUTHS AGAINST US!!!

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Barefoot Grin  Sep 29, 2016 • 6:43:11pm

re: #162 allegro

Note the date. He wasn’t POTUS and that wasn’t SS. We were students on campus on an inner campus drive. There was no excuse - they could have just beeped the horn to let us know they were coming behind us. We had to leap out of the path and then nearly got swiped.

I got banged on the head by a cameraman’s backpack sitting on the steps of a lecture hall at Emory U as Jimmy Carter went in to give one of his obligatory talks when the university joined with him to promote the Carter Center in Atlanta. So there!

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Feline Fearless Leader  Sep 29, 2016 • 6:43:53pm

So they are transiting from Deplorables to Derplorables.

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Kragar  Sep 29, 2016 • 6:44:29pm

New York law requires any charity that raises more than $25,000 a year from the public to have a specific registration, and such groups must go through annual audits.

The Post reported that the Donald J. Trump Foundation, which has raised millions from donors outside the Trump family, has never obtained such a certification.

The Trump Foundation is based in New York, and state Attorney General Eric Schneiderman could order the foundation to stop raising funds if he finds it in violation of the laws. A court could also order Trump to return any past donations.

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gocart mozart  Sep 29, 2016 • 6:45:11pm
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makeitstop  Sep 29, 2016 • 6:47:29pm

re: #11 Backwoods_Sleuth

Kellyanne really has no idea what she’s talking about.

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They must be paying her a truckload of money.

I wonder if Trump will stiff her once she loses…

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 29, 2016 • 6:47:46pm

Phoenix has sent Donald Trump’s presidential campaign a cease-and-desist letter over a television advertisement that includes a snippet showing the Republican candidate talking with on-duty Phoenix police officers.

In the letter, City Attorney Brad Holm wrote that the Trump campaign violated federal and state law by using copyrighted material, including images of the city’s bird logo, badge, Police Department uniforms, and on-duty employees, without permission.

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Stanley Sea  Sep 29, 2016 • 6:49:52pm

Here’s another one to read

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Belafon  Sep 29, 2016 • 6:51:54pm

re: #176 Kragar

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Big Beautiful Door  Sep 29, 2016 • 6:52:19pm

re: #176 Kragar

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Fahrenthold deserves a Pulitzer for the work he is doing on the Trump Foundation. The one guy really earning the title “journalist” in this campaign.

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gocart mozart  Sep 29, 2016 • 6:52:43pm
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Charles Johnson  Sep 29, 2016 • 6:52:59pm
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Big Beautiful Door  Sep 29, 2016 • 6:54:14pm

re: #178 makeitstop

They must be paying her a truckload of money.

I wonder if Trump will stiff her once she loses…

If she’s smart she got a huge retainer and scheduled her last paycheck to be issued before election day.

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Great White Snark  Sep 29, 2016 • 6:55:11pm
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Eric The Fruit Bat  Sep 29, 2016 • 6:55:17pm
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EPR-radar  Sep 29, 2016 • 6:55:48pm

re: #155 Eric The Fruit Bat

This kind of thing brings out the grumpy old man in me.

Voting is one of the responsibilities of adulthood, and you are either with Trump or against him.

If you are with Trump, to Hell with you.

If you are against Trump, but half-ass the job with a 3rd party vote, you’re being a meathead.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 29, 2016 • 6:56:09pm

re: #181 Belafon

I want Donald to say “I haven’t found any charities that I actually thought were worthy.”

Farenthold’s article specifically mentions Trump raising funds for the veterans through donaldtrumpforvets dot com and having those donations sent to the DJT Foundation.

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nickzi  Sep 29, 2016 • 6:58:01pm

re: #38 Blind Frog Belly White

It was reported on a blog, just this week.

I heard it was a lone gum man.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 29, 2016 • 6:58:09pm

re: #187 Eric The Fruit Bat

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Tigger2  Sep 29, 2016 • 6:58:25pm
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FormerDirtDart  Sep 29, 2016 • 6:59:39pm
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thedopefishlives  Sep 29, 2016 • 6:59:41pm

re: #188 EPR-radar

This kind of thing brings out the grumpy old man in me.

Voting is one of the responsibilities of adulthood, and you are either with Trump or against him.

If you are with Trump, to Hell with you.

If you are against Trump, but half-ass the job with a 3rd party vote, you’re being a meathead.

I want Americans to have more choices than just the 2 major parties, but now is not that time. Don’t be stupid, folks. Cast your vote for the lesser of two evils until such time as we figure out how to do this multiple-party electoral system properly. Because of the way the American electoral system is constructed, it lends itself to two gianormous parties, and it will take an act of God to undo that bureaucratic mess.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 29, 2016 • 7:00:01pm

re: #192 Tigger2

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Awesome. I got my pocket Constitution that the ALCU started giving out in honor of the Khans recently. It’s right next to my Liberty Bell and bicentennial plate that belonged to my grandparents.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 29, 2016 • 7:00:25pm

re: #189 Backwoods_Sleuth

Farenthold’s article specifically mentions Trump raising funds for the veterans through donaldtrumpforvets dot com and having those donations sent to the DJT Foundation.

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De Kolta Chair  Sep 29, 2016 • 7:01:02pm

Later lizards!

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gocart mozart  Sep 29, 2016 • 7:02:16pm
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Tigger2  Sep 29, 2016 • 7:02:31pm

A pic is just full of cute.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 29, 2016 • 7:02:37pm

Yep, I’m heading off to bed, too.
Raining again, temperature falling, gonna curl up in bed under the duvet.
laterz, lizardz!

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De Kolta Chair  Sep 29, 2016 • 7:02:48pm

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gocart mozart  Sep 29, 2016 • 7:03:41pm
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gocart mozart  Sep 29, 2016 • 7:06:03pm

Not sure if this is a Poe

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De Kolta Chair  Sep 29, 2016 • 7:06:32pm

Bonus J. Elvis tweet in the not too distant future, next Sunday A.D., cuz goddamn where did the time go?

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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 29, 2016 • 7:07:10pm

Here’s a Trump Tweet from 4 years ago==>

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gocart mozart  Sep 29, 2016 • 7:07:40pm
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HappyWarrior  Sep 29, 2016 • 7:08:44pm

re: #207 gocart mozart

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My cousin posted that one. So true.

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majii  Sep 29, 2016 • 7:09:15pm

re: #179 Backwoods_Sleuth

“City of Phoenix sends cease & desist letter 2 Trump camp over ad showing Trump speaking w Phoenix police officers”

I made the mistake of clicking to read the comments on this article, and a female had written, “I guess they prefer an evil c*unt for president.” This is a sick comment because I doubt she’d like anyone calling her a c*nt. One can disagree with another without taking things into the sewer.

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gocart mozart  Sep 29, 2016 • 7:09:53pm
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thedopefishlives  Sep 29, 2016 • 7:12:22pm

re: #209 majii

“City of Phoenix sends cease & desist letter 2 Trump camp over ad showing Trump speaking w Phoenix police officers”

I made the mistake of clicking to read the comments on this article, and a female had written, “I guess they prefer an evil c*unt for president.” This is a sick comment because I doubt she’d like anyone calling her a c*nt. One can disagree with another without taking things into the sewer.

A lot of my Christian friends are finally starting to post memes about, “Please don’t be douchebags and insult/unfriend each other over stupid shit.” Because this political season is getting way out of hand, and we should be kind to one another always, even unto Trump supporters.

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Charles Johnson  Sep 29, 2016 • 7:16:14pm
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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 29, 2016 • 7:16:38pm

Wow such Presidential very class so leadership wow

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HappyWarrior  Sep 29, 2016 • 7:17:35pm

re: #212 Charles Johnson

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They really think anyone who does not look like them is not American. It really is by far the ugliest thing the Trump campaign has inspired and I blame Donald and his entire campaign team for that.

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Charles Johnson  Sep 29, 2016 • 7:17:43pm
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Stanley Sea  Sep 29, 2016 • 7:18:39pm

re: #180 Stanley Sea

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Fucking depressing.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 29, 2016 • 7:18:44pm

re: #215 Charles Johnson

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Case in point.

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gocart mozart  Sep 29, 2016 • 7:19:09pm
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thedopefishlives  Sep 29, 2016 • 7:21:30pm

re: #215 Charles Johnson

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What the ever-loving fuck? People are STUPID.

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gocart mozart  Sep 29, 2016 • 7:22:38pm
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majii  Sep 29, 2016 • 7:22:50pm

re: #213 The Vicious Babushka

“Wow such Presidential very class so leadership wow”

I read an article at Politico and one on The Raw Story site that both emphasized how difficult it is for his advisers to get him to shut his mouth and keep it shut. It’s no wonder to me why the crowd laughed at him at the debate when he claimed he has a good temperament. The man has zero self-awareness and lies like a rug. He lies so much from one minute to the next to the point that he will say he didn’t say what he said. Something is wrong with him. Seriously wrong. I’m no psychologist or psychiatrist, but I can recognize a pathological liar when I see one because I was once married to one.

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Stanley Sea  Sep 29, 2016 • 7:23:08pm

re: #187 Eric The Fruit Bat

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De Kolta Chair  Sep 29, 2016 • 7:23:51pm

re: #207 gocart mozart

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gocart mozart  Sep 29, 2016 • 7:24:21pm
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Bear  Sep 29, 2016 • 7:25:55pm

re: #109 teleskiguy
Passed over Douglas Island this afternoon. However there was no snow.

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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 29, 2016 • 7:28:16pm

In last night’s South Park, Garrison running for POTUS against Hillary, begs the people to not vote for him because he is unqualified, incompetent and unfit to be President.

It’s sad that a South Park cartoon character has more self awareness than a real life actual person running for POTUS.

southpark.cc.com

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Big Beautiful Door  Sep 29, 2016 • 7:28:32pm

re: #194 thedopefishlives

I want Americans to have more choices than just the 2 major parties, but now is not that time. Don’t be stupid, folks. Cast your vote for the lesser of two evils until such time as we figure out how to do this multiple-party electoral system properly. Because of the way the American electoral system is constructed, it lends itself to two gianormous parties, and it will take an act of God to undo that bureaucratic mess.

First step, which is doable because its been done in a blue state and a red state (Ca and La) is open primaries in which all candidates, regardless of party, run against each other, and the top two vote getters go to the general (or a run-off as in La). Another step, also doable, is to end gerrymandering, also accomplished in both a blue and red state (Ca and Az). Ultimately creating a multi-party system requires introducing proportional representation in congressional elections, but that is a much heavier lift.

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Belafon  Sep 29, 2016 • 7:31:20pm

re: #227 Big Beautiful Door

First step, which is doable because its been done in a blue state and a red state (Ca and La) is open primaries in which all candidates, regardless of party, run against each other, and the top two vote getters go to the general (or a run-off as in La). Another step, also doable, is to end gerrymandering, also accomplished in both a blue and red state (Ca and Az). Ultimately creating a multi-party system requires introducing proportional representation in congressional elections, but that is a much heavier lift.

You would also have to align the elections. Change the Senate terms to four years aligned with the presidential years. The staggering of the change of representation causes some of the need for people to group into as few parties as possible.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Sep 29, 2016 • 7:32:07pm

re: #226 The Vicious Babushka

But Parker and Stone mock Clinton for being a robot and have her repeating the same phrase over and over again. Sometimes these guys are good, other times, ehhhhh…..

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Big Beautiful Door  Sep 29, 2016 • 7:39:53pm

re: #228 Belafon

You would also have to align the elections. Change the Senate terms to four years aligned with the presidential years. The staggering of the change of representation causes some of the need for people to group into as few parties as possible.

That reform is extremely hard to achieve, because it would require a constitutional amendment. A friend and I have talked about the need to create a third party dedicated to just one goal: electoral reform. Tell the people to vote for us on the platform of giving everyone real choices other than the lesser of two evils, to make voting as easy and accessible as possible, and to get dark money out of politics, then we’d just go away.

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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 29, 2016 • 7:40:04pm

re: #229 Eric The Fruit Bat

But Parker and Stone mock Clinton for being a robot and have her repeating the same phrase over and over again. Sometimes these guys are good, other times, ehhhhh…..

I think they are Gary Johnson supporters.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Sep 29, 2016 • 7:41:34pm

re: #231 The Vicious Babushka

Of that I have no doubt.

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Kragar  Sep 29, 2016 • 7:43:34pm
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nines09  Sep 29, 2016 • 7:44:25pm

re: #220 gocart mozart

And you know Stern has the tape. Stern tapes EVERYTHING.

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Charles Johnson  Sep 29, 2016 • 7:45:18pm
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GlutenFreeJesus  Sep 29, 2016 • 7:45:24pm

re: #185 Big Beautiful Door

If she was smart, she wouldn’t have taken the job in the first place.

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dangerman  Sep 29, 2016 • 7:45:52pm

West York PA mayor Facebook posted racist stuff including Obama and Clinton are leaders of Isis.

They are pushing for him to resign.

Trump says the same thing and they want to elect him prez

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GlutenFreeJesus  Sep 29, 2016 • 7:46:46pm

re: #227 Big Beautiful Door

No open primaries. Absolutely not.

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dangerman  Sep 29, 2016 • 7:47:35pm

re: #235 Charles Johnson

[Embedded content]

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Online polls are horoscopes

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Kragar  Sep 29, 2016 • 7:53:41pm
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Eric The Fruit Bat  Sep 29, 2016 • 7:54:06pm
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Eric The Fruit Bat  Sep 29, 2016 • 7:57:13pm

A blunt assessment on the Syria situation:

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Big Beautiful Door  Sep 29, 2016 • 8:00:18pm

re: #234 nines09

And you know Stern has the tape. Stern tapes EVERYTHING.

The tape is available; I’ve heard it.

video.search.yahoo.com

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dangerman  Sep 29, 2016 • 8:00:44pm

So trump paid out lewandowski in advance. When has he *ever* done that?

Nope. No conflict here.

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Big Beautiful Door  Sep 29, 2016 • 8:01:28pm

re: #238 GlutenFreeJesus

No open primaries. Absolutely not.

Why?

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Kragar  Sep 29, 2016 • 8:03:49pm

re: #245 Big Beautiful Door

Open primaries are invitations for people outside a party to derail and sabotage the nomination process.

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Big Beautiful Door  Sep 29, 2016 • 8:04:33pm

re: #242 Eric The Fruit Bat

A blunt assessment on the Syria situation:

[Embedded content]

The look on his face is priceless; “Gee, I hadn’t thought of that.”

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Big Beautiful Door  Sep 29, 2016 • 8:06:43pm

re: #246 Kragar

Open primaries are invitations for people outside a party to derail and sabotage the nomination process.

No not that kind of open primary. I mean a primary in which everyone: Republicans, Democrats, third party and independents, run against each other. Then the top two vote getters of whatever party face off in the general (or in a run-off, as in Louisiana).

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dangerman  Sep 29, 2016 • 8:07:40pm

re: #245 Big Beautiful Door

Why?

You must be a member of a club to vote on club business

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De Kolta Chair  Sep 29, 2016 • 8:08:08pm

Drive-by snarking >>

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dangerman  Sep 29, 2016 • 8:08:55pm

re: #248 Big Beautiful Door

No not that kind of open primary. I mean a primary in which everyone: Republicans, Democrats, third party and independents, run against each other. Then the top two vote getters of whatever party face off in the general (or in a run-off, as in Louisiana).

Jungle primary

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Great White Snark  Sep 29, 2016 • 8:09:40pm

re: #242 Eric The Fruit Bat

Syria was always going to be a deal with Russia. For so many reasons. Not the least of which is the instability that follows the fall of a government in that hemisphere. Or the base they depend on. Without that we are in the wrong place in the right way for the questionable reasons we worry about.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 29, 2016 • 8:09:45pm

re: #245 Big Beautiful Door

Why?

Primaries are how the members of the party choose their nominee. If you want to choose the nominee, register with that party. If you choose not to register with a party, why should you get a say in who the nominee is? . Registering with one party or the other costs nothing and doesn’t leave a stain on your soul.

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majii  Sep 29, 2016 • 8:09:55pm

re: #244 dangerman

Alisyn Camerota called out the number of the talking point Lewandowski was using in an interview on CNN today.
“A memo obtained by CNN this week instructed official Trump campaign surrogates to hit Hillary Clinton harder, including attacks on her husband’s infidelities.
When Camerota pointed out new allegations on Thursday that Donald Trump violated the U.S. embargo on Cuba, Lewandowski used the strategy outlined in the campaign talking points to change the subject.
“We don’t know it took place,” Lewandowski asserted. “There’s absolutely no facts whatsoever that this took place.” “This is no different than a Secret Service agent giving a first hand account of what Hillary Clinton is actually like and then being discredited as saying, ‘Wow, this didn’t actually take place as a first-hand account.”
“Talking point number 18 here in the talking point memo!” Camerota laughed, holding up the Trump campaign memo. “
rawstory.com

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Great White Snark  Sep 29, 2016 • 8:10:22pm

re: #245 Big Beautiful Door

Why?

Ratfucking.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 29, 2016 • 8:10:46pm

re: #248 Big Beautiful Door

No not that kind of open primary. I mean a primary in which everyone: Republicans, Democrats, third party and independents, run against each other. Then the top two vote getters of whatever party face off in the general (or in a run-off, as in Louisiana).

Okay, so what if the same two people aren’t the top two in each state?

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Great White Snark  Sep 29, 2016 • 8:12:05pm

re: #253 Blind Frog Belly White

… doesn’t leave a stain on your soul.

Umm with the GOP it just might. Or at least give that awful morning after a bad one night stand sensation.

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Big Beautiful Door  Sep 29, 2016 • 8:14:06pm

re: #251 dangerman

Jungle primary

Right, that’s what they do in California now.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 29, 2016 • 8:14:54pm

re: #258 Big Beautiful Door

Right, that’s what they do in California now.

Not sure how I see that working nationally.

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Stanley Sea  Sep 29, 2016 • 8:16:10pm

re: #214 HappyWarrior

They really think anyone who does not look like them is not American. It really is by far the ugliest thing the Trump campaign has inspired and I blame Donald and his entire campaign team for that.

The victim/witness to the Hoboken train accident today showed exactly the pot of melt we have here.

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Snarknado!  Sep 29, 2016 • 8:17:01pm

re: #258 Big Beautiful Door

Right, that’s what they do in California now.

No, the parties still have the option of making the primary open or closed for their party (the Democratic primary was open, the Republican was closed this time). But the top two winners are on the ballot in statewide elections. (Thus we have no Republicans at all running for statewide office, bwahaha.)

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GlutenFreeJesus  Sep 29, 2016 • 8:17:52pm

re: #248 Big Beautiful Door

No not that kind of open primary. I mean a primary in which everyone: Republicans, Democrats, third party and independents, run against each other. Then the top two vote getters of whatever party face off in the general (or in a run-off, as in Louisiana).

That’s called a “presidential election”.

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Great White Snark  Sep 29, 2016 • 8:18:20pm

It’s a strange sensation to sit here and understand that in California, a Fort Knox level lock for HRC, my vote is the least powerful tool I have, and I’m not rich enough to donate much. I can do 10x the vote value by undermining Trump via a rather ordinary humble online set of networks and high quality places to post.

(Thanks Charles)

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Big Beautiful Door  Sep 29, 2016 • 8:20:37pm

re: #256 Blind Frog Belly White

Okay, so what if the same two people aren’t the top two in each state?

I’m not talking about presidential elections. In order to turn the US into a multiparty rather than a two party system, you first have to make it possible for third parties to actually win some offices to have a seat at the table. With jungle primaries, people will eventually learn they can vote for whoever they like best in the primary, because if need be they can always vote for the lesser of two evils in the general. Then independent and third party candidates might have a chance. Once the two parties’ monopoly on power is broken, and we have three or four parties of roughly equal stature, only then will third party candidates have any chance to win the presidency.

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Snarknado!  Sep 29, 2016 • 8:21:50pm

re: #263 Great White Snark

It’s a strange sensation to sit here and understand that in California, a Fort Knox level lock for HRC, my vote is the least powerful tool I have, and I’m not rich enough to donate much. I can do 10x the vote value by undermining Trump via a rather ordinary humble online set of networks and high quality places to post.

(Thanks Charles)

You can also phone bank, and join the groups going to Nevada (a swing state) to canvass and register voters. See hillaryclinton.com for more information.

ETA: and you can phone bank from home — hillaryclinton.com

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Big Beautiful Door  Sep 29, 2016 • 8:26:09pm

re: #259 Blind Frog Belly White

Not sure how I see that working nationally.

I’m not jumping straight to reforming presidential elections. Third party candidates will not have a shot at the presidency until the two party monopoly on power is broken and we have at least three or four parties of roughly equal stature. To accomplish that, third party and independent candidates have to win state offices. For the Greens and Libertarians to try to win the presidency when they can’t even win statehouses is an exercise in futility.

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freetoken  Sep 29, 2016 • 8:27:39pm

re: #266 Big Beautiful Door

Any Californian who is willing and able to do so, might want to help out the AZ Democratic candidates. It’s not just having Drumpfskind lose AZ that would send a message, but if McCain is not re-elected that would shake up the Senate.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 29, 2016 • 8:29:45pm

re: #264 Big Beautiful Door

I’m not talking about presidential elections. In order to turn the US into a multiparty rather than a two party system, you first have to make it possible for third parties to actually win some offices to have a seat at the table. With jungle primaries, people will eventually learn they can vote for whoever they like best in the primary, because if need be they can always vote for the lesser of two evils in the general. Then independent and third party candidates might have a chance. Once the two parties’ monopoly on power is broken, and we have three or four parties of roughly equal stature, only then will third party candidates have any chance to win the presidency.

First, note that what the Jungle Primary system did in California is put two Democrats on the ballot for Boxer’s Senate seat.

America will never be a multiparty state. Too much simple ‘winner take all’ majoritarianism is built into the Constitution. The FF’s may not have seen or intended it, but they sure did almost instantly go there. I’m not even sure a multiparty state is desirable. I’m not clear WHY it’s desirable.

If a 3rd Party is serious about becoming more than an election day joke - or worse, a spoiler - there’s a whole lot of work to be done at the ground level - winning seats on the City Council, the Mayor’s office, State Assembly, etc. This is how the Tea Party took over the GOP.

Personally, I don’t think Progressives as a group have that kind of dedication.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 29, 2016 • 8:31:32pm

re: #266 Big Beautiful Door

I’m not jumping straight to reforming presidential elections. Third party candidates will not have a shot at the presidency until the two party monopoly on power is broken and we have at least three or four parties of roughly equal stature. To accomplish that, third party and independent candidates have to win state offices. For the Greens and Libertarians to try to win the presidency when they can’t even win statehouses is an exercise in futility.

The problem is, frankly, that Liberarianism is a joke, and the Greens are a less funny joke.

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Big Beautiful Door  Sep 29, 2016 • 8:36:38pm

re: #269 Blind Frog Belly White

The problem is, frankly, that Liberarianism is a joke, and the Greens are a less funny joke.

Agreed. Serious people won’t get involved in third parties unless they can win elections and gain power. The libertarians and greens are just about being righteous.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Sep 29, 2016 • 8:38:05pm

re: #264 Big Beautiful Door

Instead of this “make it possible for them” talk… how about they put up some legit candidates instead of some clueless stoner and Russian patsy?

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Sep 29, 2016 • 8:38:23pm

re: #270 Big Beautiful Door

Agreed. Serious people won’t get involved in third parties unless they can win elections and gain power. The libertarians and greens are just about being righteous.

Except they’re both wrongeous—at least the Greens in this country.

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BeachDem  Sep 29, 2016 • 8:40:03pm

re: #76 The Vicious Babushka

I think those messages are fake. “Destroyed my VHSs”

Also, is a cop with no badge like a horse with no name?

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Sep 29, 2016 • 8:40:42pm

re: #4 Stanley Sea

That man saved countless lives.

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Snarknado!  Sep 29, 2016 • 8:41:15pm

The problem with multi-party systems is that small parties can hold the big ones hostage. (E. g. Israel}

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Big Beautiful Door  Sep 29, 2016 • 8:41:35pm

re: #268 Blind Frog Belly White

First, note that what the Jungle Primary system did in California is put two Democrats on the ballot for Boxer’s Senate seat.

America will never be a multiparty state. Too much simple ‘winner take all’ majoritarianism is built into the Constitution. The FF’s may not have seen or intended it, but they sure did almost instantly go there. I’m not even sure a multiparty state is desirable. I’m not clear WHY it’s desirable.

If a 3rd Party is serious about becoming more than an election day joke - or worse, a spoiler - there’s a whole lot of work to be done at the ground level - winning seats on the City Council, the Mayor’s office, State Assembly, etc. This is how the Tea Party took over the GOP.

Personally, I don’t think Progressives as a group have that kind of dedication.

Multiparty is desireable because our political system has polarized into two enemy camps creating gridlock in Congress. If the two parties are broken up, Congress will no longer be divided into “us” and “them” and hopefully the arts of compromise and deal making will return. The Constitution doesn’t require first-past-the-post district elections, but introducing proportional representation would be hard because the two parties will be implacably opposed, and its foreign to us. But its not unconstitutional.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Sep 29, 2016 • 8:42:01pm

re: #268 Blind Frog Belly White

My feeling is, to get a multi-party system, you would have to so drastically change the constitution that you would practically be replacing it.

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Big Beautiful Door  Sep 29, 2016 • 8:43:11pm

re: #271 GlutenFreeJesus

Instead of this “make it possible for them” talk… how about they put up some legit candidates instead of some clueless stoner and Russian patsy?

Its a chicken and egg problem. Why would a legit candidate run as a Libertarian or Green instead of a Democrat or Republican?

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Big Beautiful Door  Sep 29, 2016 • 8:44:22pm

re: #277 Ziggy_TARDIS

My feeling is, to get a multi-party system, you would have to so drastically change the constitution that you would practically be replacing it.

No, you wouldn’t have to change the Constitution at all. Nothing in the Constitution prohibits electing Congressmen through proportional representation.

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piratedan  Sep 29, 2016 • 8:45:03pm

re: #270 Big Beautiful Door

and they aren’t willing to do the work to actually build a political party

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Big Beautiful Door  Sep 29, 2016 • 8:45:41pm

re: #275 Snarknado!

The problem with multi-party systems is that small parties can hold the big ones hostage. (E. g. Israel}

The same thing happens in the US. Look at how the Freedom Caucus holds the House GOP hostage.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Sep 29, 2016 • 8:47:11pm

re: #276 Big Beautiful Door

Multiparty is desireable because our political system has polarized into two enemy camps creating gridlock in Congress. If the two parties are broken up, Congress will no longer be divided into “us” and “them” and hopefully the arts of compromise and deal making will return. The Constitution doesn’t require first-past-the-post district elections, but introducing proportional representation would be hard because the two parties will be implacably opposed, and its foreign to us. But its not unconstitutional.

As evenly divided as this country is, every government would be a coalition government, guaranteeing permanent gridlock. No party would ever have enough of a predominance to push anything through.

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Big Beautiful Door  Sep 29, 2016 • 8:47:35pm

re: #280 piratedan

and they aren’t willing to do the work to actually build a political party

That is because no pragmatic person is going to make the probably futile effort when there are already two political parties which have been built.

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Big Beautiful Door  Sep 29, 2016 • 8:50:55pm

re: #282 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

As evenly divided as this country is, every government would be a coalition government, guaranteeing permanent gridlock. No party would ever have enough of a predominance to push anything through.

Gridlock wouldn’t be guaranteed if you make deals to give a majority what they want, and it will be possible to make deals again because the Cold War standoff in Congress will have ended. Each smaller party will be running to do something, and will be willing to make deals so they can keep their campaign promises.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 29, 2016 • 8:52:37pm

re: #276 Big Beautiful Door

Multiparty is desireable because our political system has polarized into two enemy camps creating gridlock in Congress. If the two parties are broken up, Congress will no longer be divided into “us” and “them” and hopefully the arts of compromise and deal making will return. The Constitution doesn’t require first-past-the-post district elections, but introducing proportional representation would be hard because the two parties will be implacably opposed, and its foreign to us. But its not unconstitutional.

For most of our history, the two-party system actually worked to create compromise legislation and deal cutting. Even during the Reagan years, and even Clinton and to a lesser extent Bush II, there were still deals cut and effective compromises made.

To be blunt, what happened was that the power and benefits started to spread beyond white men. As long as it was white guys making deals with white guys for the benefit of white guys, it was generally civil. But when women and minorities started gaining power and asking for a share of benefits, it all went to hell. Not because the women and blacks weren’t civil. No, it was the white men who threw tantrums and started things like shutting down the government, Impeachment as an electoral do-over, Congressional investigations as an electoral tool, and eventually the simple refusal to move anything at all. This is practically all driven by the desire to preserve white male power and privilege.

So, honestly, the problem isn’t that polarization is inevitable with two parties. It’s that polarization is inevitable when the dominant group is asked to share power and privilege.

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Big Beautiful Door  Sep 29, 2016 • 8:56:26pm

re: #285 Blind Frog Belly White

For most of our history, the two-party system actually worked to create compromise legislation and deal cutting. Even during the Reagan years, and even Clinton and to a lesser extent Bush II, there were still deals cut and effective compromises made.

To be blunt, what happened was that the power and benefits started to spread beyond white men. As long as it was white guys making deals with white guys for the benefit of white guys, it was generally civil. But when women and minorities started gaining power and asking for a share of benefits, it all went to hell. Not because the women and blacks weren’t civil. No, it was the white men who threw tantrums and in started things like shutting down the government, Impeachment as an electoral do-over, Congressional investigations as an electoral tool, and eventually the simple refusal to move anything at all. This is practically all driven by the desire to preserve white male power and privilege.

So, honestly, the problem isn’t that polarization is inevitable with two parties. It’s that polarization is inevitable when the dominant group is asked to share power and privilege.

True enough; that’s what caused the Civil War. But the fact remains that our political system is polarized.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 29, 2016 • 8:58:21pm

re: #286 Big Beautiful Door

True enough; that’s what caused the Civil War. But the fact remains that our political system is polarized.

But it’s not a requirement.

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Big Beautiful Door  Sep 29, 2016 • 9:00:49pm

re: #287 Blind Frog Belly White

But it’s not a requirement.

If you have a plan to make the GOP sane again without blowing it up, I’d love to hear it.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 29, 2016 • 9:05:44pm

re: #288 Big Beautiful Door

If you have a plan to make the GOP sane again without blowing it up, I’d love to hear it.

Not sure there is one. Sometimes parties have to die. i can’t seen a third party being much use here, because the people who REALLY, REALLY think like Trump are probably 30-40% of the electorate, and they’re DEDICATED. Slice the remaining 60-70% up into two parties, and guess who wins?

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BeachDem  Sep 29, 2016 • 9:09:04pm

re: #213 The Vicious Babushka

Wow such Presidential very class so leadership wow

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Has there ever been a candidate who talked so much (or, uh, at all) about ratings? Does he have any clue that this is not a variation of his Apprentice crap show? Does he have any clue about anything?

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 29, 2016 • 9:13:20pm

I’d suggest that what needs to happen to diminish the polarization is demographic change more than political. White folks have to reach the point where they can’t exert all the political power. What I fear is if Trump wins it will preserve white nationalism and allow it to become codified for another generation.

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BeachDem  Sep 29, 2016 • 9:22:59pm

re: #254 majii

Alisyn Camerota called out the number of the talking point Lewandowski was using in an interview on CNN today.
“A memo obtained by CNN this week instructed official Trump campaign surrogates to hit Hillary Clinton harder, including attacks on her husband’s infidelities.
rawstory.com

Trump advocate Kayleigh McEnany sat staring blankly at the camera

(Note—not from this interview, but I just love that description.)

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Sep 29, 2016 • 9:25:56pm

re: #261 Snarknado!

No, the parties still have the option of making the primary open or closed for their party (the Democratic primary was open, the Republican was closed this time). But the top two winners are on the ballot in statewide elections. (Thus we have no Republicans at all running for statewide office, bwahaha.)

For the record, I believe the only portion of the Republican primary that was closed was the Presidential primary.

I had the Democratic ballot and there were Republicans listed for every position except president. mr. klys got the Republican ballot and left that field blank.

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Snarknado!  Sep 29, 2016 • 9:34:50pm

re: #293 klys (maker of Silmarils)

For the record, I believe the only portion of the Republican primary that was closed was the Presidential primary.

I had the Democratic ballot and there were Republicans listed for every position except president. mr. klys got the Republican ballot and left that field blank.

Could be. I got a Democratic ballot, of course, and didn’t inspect the “sample” Republican ballot.

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majii  Sep 29, 2016 • 9:36:20pm

re: #292 BeachDem

Trump’s surrogates are not liking being challenged on-air. They seem to think they’re still operating under the rules that were in place during the GOP primary, rules that allowed them to go on any national network and tell one lie after another. I just read that some of Trumps surrogates went on CNN and claimed that Trump hasn’t fat-shamed anyone. Other panel members brought the ammo and blasted them with information going back to the Eighties and Nineties. The panel also mentioned the article in the LA Times in which female employees at one of Trump’s golf courses testified in court that he only wanted pretty women working there.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 29, 2016 • 9:38:45pm

re: #295 majii

Trump’s surrogates are not liking being challenged on-air. They seem to think they’re still operating under the rules that were in place during the GOP primary, rules that allowed them to go on any national network and tell one lie after another. I just read that some of Trumps surrogates went on CNN and claimed that Trump hasn’t fat-shamed anyone. Other panel members brought the ammo and blasted them with information going back to the Eighties and Nineties. The panel also mentioned the article in the LA Times in which female employees at one of Trump’s golf courses testified in court that he only wanted pretty women working there.

“Nobody told me there’d be a quiz!”

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BeachDem  Sep 29, 2016 • 9:43:11pm

re: #295 majii

Trump’s surrogates are not liking being challenged on-air. They seem to think they’re still operating under the rules that were in place during the GOP primary, rules that allowed them to go on any national network and tell one lie after another. I just read that some of Trumps surrogates went on CNN and claimed that Trump hasn’t fat-shamed anyone. Other panel members brought the ammo and blasted them with information going back to the Eighties and Nineties. The panel also mentioned the article in the LA Times in which female employees at one of Trump’s golf courses testified in court that he only wanted pretty women working there.

It was when Bakari Sellers was laughing at Betsy McCaughey (repulsive person) and Kayleigh Mcinidiot was caught in the middle. But I just loved the wording in that article,
“Trump advocate Kayleigh McEnany sat staring blankly at the camera”


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(12) LATEST: 7.1 Magnitude Quake Kills 119 as Buildings Crumble in MexicoMexico’s federal government says the death toll in a magnitude 7.1 earthquake has risen to 119.
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Domestic Violence Homicide Rate Drops With Stricter Gun Law, Study Finds When domestic violence offenders are required to relinquish their guns, instead of simply being barred from owning firearms, the risk that those offenders may kill their partners goes down, a new study finds. The paper, described in the Annals ...
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Exploring Child Marriage Around the World The age at which people first marry can have long-lasting implications for their physical, economic and social well-being -- particularly when marriage first happens at a young age. As part of our forthcoming global research on child marriage, we ...
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Failing Charter Schools Have a Reincarnation Plan — ProPublica This past June, Florida’s top education agency delivered a failing grade to the Orange Park Performing Arts Academy in suburban Jacksonville for the second year in a row. It designated the charter school for kindergarten through fifth grade as ...
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How Renaissance Painting Smoldered With a Little Known Hallucinogen Bosch provides the most fertile ground for art lovers wanting to believe that hallucinogenic fungi may have a significant place in art history. This is partially because the painter has a special connection to Anthony, depicting the saint over ...
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Hillary Clinton’s ‘What Happened’ Says Something Revealing About America Later, Clinton brings a similar wistfulness to her account of the second debate with Trump, at which he stalked her on stage, seeking to intimidate her. “Do you stay calm,” she asks, referring to her options, “keep smiling and ...
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Honey Glazed Apple Strudel : Recipe INGREDIENTS1 package of frozen croissant dough (hey I'm in a wheelchair!)1/2 c. breadcrumbs1/2 c. (1/2 stick) butter or margarine8 Apples (4 Granny Smith & 4 Honeycrisp)1/2 c. dried Montmorency cherries (optional)2 Tbsp rum or kirschwasser (optional)1/2 c. sugar1/4 c. ...
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Study: 4,500 Deaths a Year From High Europe Diesel Emissions Remember that time Europe encouraged diesel vehicles because they were thought to be more environmentally friendly? Between black carbon climate effects and cancer deaths that claim turns out to be specious. BERLIN (AP) — Researchers say there have been ...
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