Sick: Official GOP Twitter Account Boasts About “Willie Horton-Style Attack” on Tim Kaine, Then Deletes Tweet

The Republican Party is deranged

RNC communications director Sean Spicer

I’m so old I remember when the Willie Horton attack ad on 1988 Democratic presidential nominee Michael Dukakis was considered a supremely ugly example of Republican racism and race-baiting. Lee Atwater, the infamous campaign manager of Dukakis’ GOP opponent, George H.W. Bush, said, “By the time we’re finished, they’re going to wonder whether Willie Horton is Dukakis’ running mate.”

But now, in the Donald Trump era, the official Republican Party Twitter account is proudly tweeting about their “Willie Horton-style attack” on Tim Kaine. And yes, the attack ad is quite reminiscent of the Willie Horton ad.

RNC communications director Sean Spicer also tweeted the same link. Both the @GOP account and @seanspicer have now deleted their tweets after people reacted very negatively to them.

But we have the screenshots.

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457 comments

1
Targetpractice  Oct 3, 2016 • 11:55:18am

I really do not understand at all what the point of the “attack” is to begin with. Going after Kaine because he feels there’s something wrong with capital punishment, attacking him on the idea that getting people off death row is a bad thing?

This isn’t a dog whistle, it’s an air raid siren.

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Sir John Barron  Oct 3, 2016 • 11:55:43am

Saw this this morning. Very bizarre.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 3, 2016 • 11:56:30am

There is no control over all the loose canons in that organization any more, all the establishment can do is to limit the damage from the stuff that gets out

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Sir John Barron  Oct 3, 2016 • 12:00:26pm

WOW! GOP Releases Ad Showing How Stupid GOP Is! BREAKING!
—Sean Spicer

WOW! GOP Releases Ad Showing How Stupid GOP Is! BREAKING!
—GOP

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dangerman  Oct 3, 2016 • 12:01:01pm

this is similar to what they tried with clinton and the 1975 rape case

and it feeds into trumps remarks about “terrorists’ and rights

apparently not everyone is entitled to a lawyer

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A wild WITHAK appeared!  Oct 3, 2016 • 12:03:13pm

The modern GOP’s knowledge of the Bill of Rights ends after the 2A, and they’re kinda fuzzy on the 1A.

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Tigger2  Oct 3, 2016 • 12:06:38pm
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Mattand  Oct 3, 2016 • 12:07:20pm

So, if I understand correctly, their game-changing attack ad is that Kaine is against capital punishment?

And, if I’m following the “logic” correctly, this is going to somehow sway people who maybe would for Clinton to vote for Trump?

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Eventual Carrion  Oct 3, 2016 • 12:07:50pm

re: #6 A wild WITHAK appeared!

The modern GOP’s knowledge of the Bill of Rights ends after the 2A, and they’re kinda fuzzy on the 1A.

And don’t even mention the articles, they only read it for the pictures.

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Sir John Barron  Oct 3, 2016 • 12:08:21pm

re: #5 dangerman

this is similar to what they tried with clinton and the 1975 rape case

and it feeds into trumps remarks about “terrorists’ and rights

apparently not everyone is entitled to a lawyer

A lawyer defending a death penalty defendant is political correctness run amuck and also Less Government Vote GOP!

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Joe Bacon  Oct 3, 2016 • 12:10:12pm
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jaunte  Oct 3, 2016 • 12:11:46pm

Just in time for the VP debate. This “Willie Horton-style” attack fits right in with Mike Pence’s inclination to pacify his racist base rather than do the right thing.

Rather than issuing the much-deserved pardon that’s supported by a former Elkhart County deputy prosecutor, the Indiana Parole Board and the victims in the crime, Pence, through his general counsel, said in a letter last week that Keith Cooper must first seek post-conviction relief in court before a pardon is considered.

Cooper, 49, was convicted and sentenced to 40 years for an October 1996 armed robbery in the apartment complex where he lived, during which a 17-year-old was shot in the stomach. After the Indiana Court of Appeals overturned his co-defendant’s conviction in 2005, Cooper was given the choice of being set free with the felony conviction on his record or facing a new trial before the same judge. He chose to go home to his wife and three children — who were homeless at times during his wrongful incarceration.

He has said he doesn’t regret the choice he made, but his status as a convicted felon has affected his ability to secure a better living.
southbendtribune.com

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dangerman  Oct 3, 2016 • 12:12:20pm

re: #5 dangerman

this is similar to what they tried with clinton and the 1975 rape case

and it feeds into trumps remarks about “terrorists’ and rights

apparently not everyone is entitled to a lawyer

or in reverse

if upstanding lawyers didnt defend criminals, then criminals would only have crappy lawyers.. or something

canons of ethics be damned

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StephenMeansMe  Oct 3, 2016 • 12:13:22pm

How dare Kaine oppose the death penalty! Blood for the blood god! /s

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Mattand  Oct 3, 2016 • 12:13:22pm

re: #9 Ubiq

Just as a heads up, Julian Assange tweeted this link of… well, a total nobody claiming that Clinton wanted to ‘drone’ Assange.

I was going to ask this earlier this morning: what exactly is the deal with the bug up Assange’s ass about Clinton? Is it this Greenwald/super villain mentality of taking down the US at any cost?

For all of his issues, Assange doesn’t strike me as somebody who would be a fan of Trump, who in turn is a fan of authoritarian monsters like Putin.

Which I would imagine are the people that Assange is supposed to be fighting against in the first place.

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Belafon  Oct 3, 2016 • 12:14:40pm

re: #16 Mattand

I was going to ask this earlier this morning: what exactly is the deal with the bug up Assange’s ass about Clinton? Is it this Greenwald/super villain mentality of taking down the US at any cost?

For all of his issues, Assange doesn’t strike me as somebody who would be a fan of Trump, who in turn is a fan of authoritarian monsters like Putin.

Which I would imagine are the people that Assange is supposed to be fighting against in the first place.

Assange is pro-Putin.

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dangerman  Oct 3, 2016 • 12:14:43pm

CNN calls a cease and effin desist letter to the trump foundation a “setback”

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Mattand  Oct 3, 2016 • 12:16:01pm

re: #17 Belafon

Assange is pro-Putin.

Jesus Christ, really???

20
Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 3, 2016 • 12:16:46pm

Alert: possible new fake news website:

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dangerman  Oct 3, 2016 • 12:17:41pm

re: #18 dangerman

CNN calls a cease and effin desist letter to the trump foundation a “setback”

trumps got lawyers accountants advisors, consultants, the best experts probably lined up and on speed dial

and they *all* missed this?

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Franklin  Oct 3, 2016 • 12:17:55pm

re: #16 Mattand

I was going to ask this earlier this morning: what exactly is the deal with the bug up Assange’s ass about Clinton? Is it this Greenwald/super villain mentality of taking down the US at any cost?

re: #17 Belafon

Assange is pro-Putin.

Assange is pro-Assange

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S'latch  Oct 3, 2016 • 12:18:07pm

But, some people might vote for Hillary Clinton instead of Tim Kaine now.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 3, 2016 • 12:20:44pm

re: #20 Backwoods_Sleuth

Alert: possible new fake news website:

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From their “Terms” page:

yeah, sounds totally legit…

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Oct 3, 2016 • 12:21:06pm

The RWNJs had warm fuzzies about the Willie Horton ad for 20 years. Then they woke up November 5, 2008 and discovered Willie Horton had been elected President. Drove them out of their damn minds. Stands to reason they want to relive their glory days.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 3, 2016 • 12:22:28pm

re: #24 Backwoods_Sleuth

From their “Terms” page:

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yeah, sounds totally legit…

and this:

jeebus

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Targetpractice  Oct 3, 2016 • 12:22:37pm

re: #21 dangerman

trumps got lawyers accountants advisors, consultants, the best experts probably lined up and on speed dial

and they *all* missed this?

What it tells me is they never expected it to ever stand up to serious scrutiny, and it didn’t for years. But the funny thing about running for political office is people start paying attention and eventually somebody says “Something doesn’t add up here.”

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Tigger2  Oct 3, 2016 • 12:23:08pm
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Belafon  Oct 3, 2016 • 12:24:14pm

re: #20 Backwoods_Sleuth

Alert: possible new fake news website:

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I can’t see the picture. What was the thing that is possibly fake?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 3, 2016 • 12:24:33pm

flailing…

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KGxvi  Oct 3, 2016 • 12:26:04pm

re: #1 Targetpractice

I really do not understand at all what the point of the “attack” is to begin with. Going after Kaine because he feels there’s something wrong with capital punishment, attacking him on the idea that getting people off death row is a bad thing?

This isn’t a dog whistle, it’s an air raid siren.

Support for the death penalty has been dropping since the early 90s (Gallop had it at 80-16 in favor in 1994, about this time last year it was 61-37). There are also some polls out there that suggest if the question presents an alternative (like life without parole) then it gets much closer to 50/50, but I don’t know how reliable they are.

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allegro  Oct 3, 2016 • 12:27:09pm

re: #30 Backwoods_Sleuth

flailing…

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Uh… AFTER inspecting them. Sez so in his own comment. These guys are quite challenged mentally aren’t they.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 3, 2016 • 12:27:38pm

re: #29 Belafon

I can’t see the picture. What was the thing that is possibly fake?

man marries granddaughter, doesn’t find out until after the wedding…

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KGxvi  Oct 3, 2016 • 12:28:55pm

re: #32 allegro

Uh… AFTER inspecting them. Sez so in his own comment. These guys are quite challenged mentally aren’t they.

it’z allll part of the kernspiracy!1! theyr’e deeztroyin evahdense to stop preznit Trump from prosacueten’ in January

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Sir John Barron  Oct 3, 2016 • 12:28:59pm

re: #30 Backwoods_Sleuth

FBI made side deals with 2 HRC associates to “destroy” their laptops after inspecting them

Are you kidding me? This is INSANE!

— Charlie Kirk

Amazing tweet. No link. No FBI statement.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 3, 2016 • 12:29:02pm
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Shiplord Kirel  Oct 3, 2016 • 12:29:24pm

For younger Lizardoids, this is the actual Willie Horton ad from the 1988 Bush campaign:

Willie Horton 1988 Attack Ad

This should really be viewed along with the follow-up video, The Willie Horton Ad and the Revolving Door Attack Ads. which examines the Horton ad in the context of a series of generally racist ads from the Bush campaign:

The Willie Horton Ad and the Revolving Door Attack Ads

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Kragar  Oct 3, 2016 • 12:29:33pm

re: #30 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Eventual Carrion  Oct 3, 2016 • 12:32:23pm

re: #30 Backwoods_Sleuth

flailing…

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Did they take all the “W” keys off them first?

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nines09  Oct 3, 2016 • 12:32:32pm

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Sir John Barron  Oct 3, 2016 • 12:32:33pm

re: #35 Sir John Barron

Amazing tweet. No link. No FBI statement.

I guess area wingnut wanted Congress to be able to inspect the computers…..keep them in storage somewhere….

I don’t know, don’t get it.

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Sir John Barron  Oct 3, 2016 • 12:33:17pm

re: #38 Kragar

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The best sources. The best. Believe me.

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Shiplord Kirel  Oct 3, 2016 • 12:33:55pm

Incidentally, William “Willie” Horton himself remains in prison to this day.

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Charles Johnson  Oct 3, 2016 • 12:34:45pm
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Sir John Barron  Oct 3, 2016 • 12:34:46pm

re: #43 Shiplord Kirel

Incidentally, William “Willie” Horton himself remains in prison to this day.

Hmmm, still only 65. Thought he’d be like 90 by now.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 3, 2016 • 12:35:04pm
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Charles Johnson  Oct 3, 2016 • 12:36:06pm

re: #35 Sir John Barron

Amazing tweet. No link. No FBI statement.

It’s apparently from CNN.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 3, 2016 • 12:37:01pm

re: #47 Charles Johnson

It’s apparently from CNN.

Makes it suspect right there…

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Sir John Barron  Oct 3, 2016 • 12:37:12pm

re: #30 Backwoods_Sleuth

Breaking: Just when you thought it couldn’t get any worse. #RiggedSystem


— Donald Trump Jr

Mr. Transparency whose dad won’t release his tax returns here apparently wants all the computers held in lockup forever, put on display at Smithsonian, to be required reading for all Americans.

/

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Sir John Barron  Oct 3, 2016 • 12:38:23pm

TURN THOSE COMPUTERS BACK ON!!!!!!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 3, 2016 • 12:38:47pm

Donald Trump robocalls begging for money have called my phone four times in the last five minutes, from four different telephone numbers.

52
Dr. Matt  Oct 3, 2016 • 12:39:39pm

Trump ditched US workers; secretly purchased steel & aluminum for last 2 projects from China rawstory.com

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Timothy Watson  Oct 3, 2016 • 12:40:36pm

re: #51 Backwoods_Sleuth

Donald Trump robocalls begging for money have called my phone four times in the last five minutes, from four different telephone numbers.

I wonder how many people he has phone-banking/canvassing.

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Jenner7  Oct 3, 2016 • 12:41:11pm

re: #52 Dr. Matt

I have to watch SNL intro again.

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Eventual Carrion  Oct 3, 2016 • 12:41:34pm

re: #50 Sir John Barron

TURN THOSE COMPUTERS BACK ON!!!!!!

But Sir John, your brother.
Fuck him!

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MsJ  Oct 3, 2016 • 12:41:49pm

re: #28 Tigger2

I thought Utah was trending into blue…why isn’t it pink instead of red. Did something change?

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Franklin  Oct 3, 2016 • 12:43:11pm

re: #43 Shiplord Kirel

Incidentally, William “Willie” Horton himself remains in prison to this day.

(re)familiarizing my recollection of the Willie Horton issue. I was a youngin in MA back then. Found this.

Bush’s campaign manager, Lee Atwater

because of course

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Timothy Watson  Oct 3, 2016 • 12:44:17pm

re: #56 MsJ

I thought Utah was trending into blue…why isn’t it pink instead of red. Did something change?

Two-way race polls favor Trump substantially, it only becomes close(r) when Johnson is available as an option.

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Nyet  Oct 3, 2016 • 12:44:35pm

re: #16 Mattand

I think Assange is anti-American insofar America is not isolationist. He probably sees Trump as more isolationist than Clinton. And of course it’s also personal from her SoS days - apparently she’s been pushing for his indictment or at the very least that’s his belief.

Anyway, horse’s mouth: observer.com

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nines09  Oct 3, 2016 • 12:45:39pm

re: #51 Backwoods_Sleuth

Donald Trump robocalls begging for money have called my phone four times in the last five minutes, from four different telephone numbers.

But he’s so rich he doesn’t need any money. Sad!

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MsJ  Oct 3, 2016 • 12:45:52pm

re: #58 Timothy Watson

Two-way race polls favor Trump substantially, it only becomes close when Johnson is available as an option.

And he’s not on the ballot?

I thought the Mormons hated Trump’s whoremongering, gambling, drinking, etc.

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Dr. Matt  Oct 3, 2016 • 12:46:14pm

re: #56 MsJ

I thought Utah was trending into blue…why isn’t it pink instead of red. Did something change?

It’s blood red: projects.fivethirtyeight.com with Trump at 97.6% chance of winning

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Dr. Lexus  Oct 3, 2016 • 12:46:50pm

re: #61 MsJ

Only when he’s a democrat.

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Timothy Watson  Oct 3, 2016 • 12:47:42pm

re: #61 MsJ

And he’s not on the ballot?

I thought the Mormons hated Trump’s whoremongering, gambling, drinking, etc.

He’s on the ballot, but some of the polls only ask, “Clinton or Trump?” instead of “Clinton, Trump, Johnson?”

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Dr. Lexus  Oct 3, 2016 • 12:48:42pm

Andrew Kaszinski is with CNN now.

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Sir John Barron  Oct 3, 2016 • 12:49:33pm

re: #58 Timothy Watson

Two-way race polls favor Trump substantially, it only becomes close(r) when Johnson is available as an option.

There were some early, early polls from there that showed a close race. But the poll or polls then were apparently outliers.

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MsJ  Oct 3, 2016 • 12:50:38pm

re: #67 Sir John Barron

There were some early, early polls from there that showed a close race. But the poll or polls then were apparently outliers.

I am surprised. I thought Mormons took religion more seriously.

I guess not.

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Sir John Barron  Oct 3, 2016 • 12:50:41pm

re: #51 Backwoods_Sleuth

Donald Trump robocalls begging for money have called my phone four times in the last five minutes, from four different telephone numbers.

Pretty genius, doncha think?

/

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jaunte  Oct 3, 2016 • 12:50:53pm
FBI made side deals with 2 HRC associates to “destroy” their laptops after inspecting them

I suppose they would prefer them to be passed on to Alex Jones or Matt Drudge.

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Jack Burton  Oct 3, 2016 • 12:50:58pm

re: #61 MsJ

And he’s not on the ballot?

I thought the Mormons hated Trump’s whoremongering, gambling, drinking, etc.

Based on anecdotal evidence from a few of my Mormon acquaintances, they are convinced that Hillary is going to take away their guns by executive order 5 minutes after taking the oath of office. That is more important to them than *anything* else. Trump could come out as a practicing Satanist, and they would still vote for him based on that one issue alone.

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Franklin  Oct 3, 2016 • 12:52:07pm
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KGxvi  Oct 3, 2016 • 12:52:23pm

re: #61 MsJ

And he’s not on the ballot?

I thought the Mormons hated Trump’s whoremongering, gambling, drinking, etc.

Utah might be an interesting state to watch regarding turnout. It could be a situation where voters undervote the presidential election (meaning they turn out but leave the top line blank), or they simply don’t turn out.

The Senate race there is also interesting because Misty Stone is an out transgender woman, running as a progressive Democrat. Odds are that Lee will win going away (there’s little polling but it all shows him up double digits and over 50%)

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GlutenFreeJesus  Oct 3, 2016 • 12:52:37pm

re: #71 Jack Burton

No offense to your acquaintances, but I first read that as Moron…

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jaunte  Oct 3, 2016 • 12:53:09pm

re: #71 Jack Burton

they are convinced that Hillary is going to take away their guns by executive order 5 minutes after taking the oath of office

Obama was supposed to do that. Thanks, Obama.

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MsJ  Oct 3, 2016 • 12:54:15pm

re: #71 Jack Burton

Based on anecdotal evidence from a few of my Mormon acquaintances, they are convinced that Hillary is going to take away their guns by executive order 5 minutes after taking the oath of office. That is more important to them than *anything* else. Trump could come out as a practicing Satanist, and they would still vote for him based on that one issue alone.

Of course.

Damn, I wish I could find it. There was a tweet that showed the threat in 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012, 2013, 2014, 2014, 2015, and 2016 where Obama now Hillary was going to take away guns.

Anyone have that one?

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Nyet  Oct 3, 2016 • 12:54:20pm

re: #68 MsJ

I am surprised. I thought Mormons took religion more seriously.

I guess not.

My guess is, he’s not a Mormon so they don’t apply the same standard they would apply to their own.

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Nyet  Oct 3, 2016 • 12:54:47pm

I mean, there are even Amish for Trump.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Oct 3, 2016 • 12:54:58pm

re: #68 MsJ

Didn’t you get the memo? Guns ARE religion.

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MsJ  Oct 3, 2016 • 12:55:09pm

re: #73 KGxvi

Utah might be an interesting state to watch regarding turnout. It could be a situation where voters undervote the presidential election (meaning they turn out but leave the top line blank), or they simply don’t turn out.

The Senate race there is also interesting because Misty Stone is an out transgender woman, running as a progressive Democrat. Odds are that Lee will win going away (there’s little polling but it all shows him up double digits and over 50%)

Wow. That will be a fascinating one to watch…especially the last one.

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MsJ  Oct 3, 2016 • 12:55:48pm

Ok, meeting time again. Cheers! BBIAB

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Belafon  Oct 3, 2016 • 12:58:16pm

If we’re going to talk about Atwater, the audio from his famous quote should always be included: thenation.com

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Charles Johnson  Oct 3, 2016 • 12:59:27pm
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Sir John Barron  Oct 3, 2016 • 12:59:50pm

re: #68 MsJ

I am surprised. I thought Mormons took religion more seriously.

I guess not.

Trump doesn’t have to be a believer or even a ethical person, he just has to promise to favor their rights over the rights of others.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 3, 2016 • 1:00:39pm

re: #84 Sir John Barron

Trump doesn’t have to be a believer or even a ethical person, he just has to promise to favor their rights over the rights of others.

Bingo.

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Nyet  Oct 3, 2016 • 1:00:48pm

So if you wonder how that works with Amish, Mormons etc. here is it condensed:

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 3, 2016 • 1:02:06pm
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KGxvi  Oct 3, 2016 • 1:02:39pm

re: #86 Nyet

So if you wonder how that works with Amish, Mormons etc. here it is condensed:

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Wait, the Amish vote? I did not know this.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 3, 2016 • 1:03:26pm

re: #86 Nyet

So if you wonder how that works with Amish, Mormons etc. here it is condensed:

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He’s probably not Amish either (notice the “worldly” trump pin on his hat…)

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Belafon  Oct 3, 2016 • 1:04:18pm

re: #84 Sir John Barron

Trump doesn’t have to be a believer or even a ethical person, he just has to promise to favor their rights over the rights of others.

I caught this quote that explains the religious right’s acceptance of Trump in the APR this morning:

Trump Is No Moral Exemplar—He’s a Champion

The conservative, Christian voters backing the Republican nominee are looking for someone who can defend them, not someone who embodies their values.

That’s never failed before…

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Nyet  Oct 3, 2016 • 1:05:42pm

re: #89 Backwoods_Sleuth

He’s probably not Amish either (notice the “worldly” trump pin on his hat…)

Yes, he is Amish.

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Nyet  Oct 3, 2016 • 1:05:49pm

re: #88 KGxvi

Wait, the Amish vote? I did not know this.

Some do.

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Kragar  Oct 3, 2016 • 1:07:02pm
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makeitstop  Oct 3, 2016 • 1:07:43pm

Bourdain on dinner with Trump: ‘Absolutely fucking not.’

“I’ve been a New Yorker most of my life, [and] for better or worse Mr. Trump is a New Yorker. We know him well here. We’ve watched how he does business and we’ve watched him say things and then we’ve seen whether or not he did those things, we have seen how he treats the people he does business with. I would give the same answer that I would have given 10 years ago, when he was just as loathsome.”

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nines09  Oct 3, 2016 • 1:07:53pm

re: #86 Nyet
I’d bet he’s Mennonite.

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Sir John Barron  Oct 3, 2016 • 1:08:07pm

re: #90 Belafon

I caught this quote that explains the religious right’s acceptance of Trump in the APR this morning:

That’s never failed before…

Although this is somewhat of a switcheroo for evangelicals, who demanded ethical and sexual purity from Bill Clinton in the ‘90’s. Goalposts moving, sliding away, away….

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Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 3, 2016 • 1:08:53pm

re: #95 nines09

I’d bet he’s Mennonite.

It’s not like they don’t overlap.

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Nyet  Oct 3, 2016 • 1:08:54pm

re: #95 nines09

I’d bet he’s Mennonite.

He’s Amish.

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Nyet  Oct 3, 2016 • 1:09:08pm

Guess who: “The Lynching of Nationalist Jew Matthew Tyrmand By Lying Globalist Jews & Their Allies in The Media”.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 3, 2016 • 1:09:44pm

re: #95 nines09

I’d bet he’s Mennonite.

Also, the Amish rule about not being photographed.

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Sir John Barron  Oct 3, 2016 • 1:09:49pm

re: #90 Belafon

I caught this quote that explains the religious right’s acceptance of Trump in the APR this morning:

That’s never failed before…

So evangelical Christianity in the U.S. is just another whiny interest group in American politics. But somehow other groups, people, are not supposed to advocate for their own rights or try to get government to respond favorably to their causes. Only conservative Christians have a right to do this, apparently.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 3, 2016 • 1:10:00pm

re: #97 Blind Frog Belly White

It’s not like they don’t overlap.

Or, perhaps, “OverLapp” - a little in-joke for you Anabaptists in the crowd.

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Nyet  Oct 3, 2016 • 1:10:33pm
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nines09  Oct 3, 2016 • 1:10:41pm

re: #97 Blind Frog Belly White

It’s not like they don’t overlap.

Big difference though. Lot’s of different churches, Bishops, rules. Lot’s. Not really overlapping, close. Sects. Very complicated.

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nines09  Oct 3, 2016 • 1:11:04pm

re: #100 Backwoods_Sleuth

Bang! Right in front of me.

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Sir John Barron  Oct 3, 2016 • 1:11:44pm

re: #103 Nyet

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What about Trump, I wonder, convinces them he possesses even a smidgen of competence.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 3, 2016 • 1:13:12pm

Amish crisis actors, obviously….
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Eclectic Cyborg  Oct 3, 2016 • 1:13:48pm

re: #96 Sir John Barron

That was before we had an evil, black, muslim President.

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nines09  Oct 3, 2016 • 1:14:35pm

re: #103 Nyet

They are definitely NOT Amish. The colors of the shirts. Nope. Sneakers. Nope. Non black suspenders. Nope. Mennonite. Trust me. And smiling for the camera? Burn in HELL Eli, surely you will.

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CuriousLurker  Oct 3, 2016 • 1:15:31pm

*facepalm* Seen on Breitbart, thanks to my Google alerts: Apparently, a Jordanian Christian named Malek Haddad was appointed as transportation minister late last month, only to resign less than 24 hours later. It seems that back in the ’80s he spent 5 years in prison after he was convicted in connection with the honor killing of his sister, who had married a Muslim man. Oopsie!

But never mind him being a Christian, it’s still Islam’s fault!!11!

Here’s the only non-wingnut source I could find that provided the whole story: middleeastmonitor.com (yes, I’m aware of what MEMO’s stance is, but it really isn’t relevant in relation to this particular story). Jordanian news sources were either Arabic-only or, if in English, were very circumspect about the reasons for the resignation.

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Nyet  Oct 3, 2016 • 1:15:35pm

re: #100 Backwoods_Sleuth

Also, the Amish rule about not being photographed.

I hope you understand that some Amish not falling under a general stereotype in someone’s head doesn’t say anything about them being or not being Amish.

These are Amish.

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Nyet  Oct 3, 2016 • 1:16:09pm

re: #109 nines09

They are definitely NOT Amish. The colors of the shirts. Nope. Sneakers. Nope. Non black suspenders. Nope. Mennonite. Trust me. And smiling for the camera? Burn in HELL Eli, surely you will.

Since they’re Amish, you’re wrong.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 3, 2016 • 1:16:27pm

re: #109 nines09

They are definitely NOT Amish. The colors of the shirts. Nope. Sneakers. Nope. Non black suspenders. Nope. Mennonite. Trust me. And smiling for the camera? Burn in HELL Eli, surely you will.

Gee, and here I was thinking that buttons were the giveaway.

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Charles Johnson  Oct 3, 2016 • 1:16:58pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 3, 2016 • 1:17:00pm

re: #111 Nyet

I hope you understand that some Amish not falling under a general stereotype in someone’s had doesn’t say anything about the being or not being Amish.

These are Amish.

Amish live in my immediate neighborhood and I’ve known them for years.
The people in the photos are not Amish.

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nines09  Oct 3, 2016 • 1:18:07pm

re: #112 Nyet

I said what I thought. Feel free to think your own on it. I’ve spent years around Amish of all stripes and Mennonites.

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Charles Johnson  Oct 3, 2016 • 1:18:15pm
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Nyet  Oct 3, 2016 • 1:18:52pm
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Targetpractice  Oct 3, 2016 • 1:19:16pm

re: #114 Charles Johnson

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Two weeks ago: “ZOMG! NUMBERS MOVING WRONG WAY! HILLARY DOOMED!”

This week: “Trump’s gonna get his ass kicked!”

Amazing the difference a debate can make.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 3, 2016 • 1:19:36pm

re: #114 Charles Johnson

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Trump appears to have had two of the worst campaign weeks in history, and both self-inflicted - first after the Democratic Convention, and now after the debate.

Clinton should just say, “Who do you want for President - the guy who got baited into self-destructive hate binges TWICE, or the person who baited him?”

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Varek Raith  Oct 3, 2016 • 1:19:46pm
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Nyet  Oct 3, 2016 • 1:19:48pm

re: #115 Backwoods_Sleuth

Amish live in my immediate neighborhood and I’ve known them for years.
The people in the photos are not Amish.

Absolute non sequitur. That you know a subgroup of Amish that is different from these Amish doesn’t prove anything about these Amish.

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Nyet  Oct 3, 2016 • 1:20:14pm

re: #116 nines09

I said what I thought. Feel free to think your own on it. I’ve spent years around Amish of all stripes and Mennonites.

Cool, I’ll stick to facts, you can stick to your opinion.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 3, 2016 • 1:20:37pm

re: #115 Backwoods_Sleuth

Amish live in my immediate neighborhood and I’ve known them for years.
The people in the photos are not Amish.

And some of us were actually raised in a Mennonite church.

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wrenchwench  Oct 3, 2016 • 1:21:10pm

re: #116 nines09

I said what I thought. Feel free to think your own on it. I’ve spent years around Amish of all stripes and Mennonites.

But fundamentalist Amish don’t have stripes, right?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 3, 2016 • 1:21:32pm

re: #122 Nyet

Absolute non sequitur. That you know a subgroup of Amish that is different from these Amish doesn’t prove anything about these Amish.

a “subgroup”?
oh, well then, my lifetime experience with the Amish in four states is totally wrong…

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Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 3, 2016 • 1:21:49pm

re: #125 wrenchwench

But fundamentalist Amish don’t have stripes, right?

That wouldn’t be plain.

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jaunte  Oct 3, 2016 • 1:22:19pm

re: #103 Nyet

Randy Quaid lookalikes for Trump

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CuriousLurker  Oct 3, 2016 • 1:22:21pm

re: #121 Varek Raith

Ah crap.
Image: 14L_tracks_latest.png

Yeah, looks like all of us East Coasters are gonna get slammed.

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nines09  Oct 3, 2016 • 1:22:21pm

re: #113 Blind Frog Belly White

Buttons are fine. Like I said, many sects. Zippers are the devils work with just about all though. Amish just about across the board shun colors or “fancy”. That and photos. Looks like the cast of The Amish Mafia, which was a total fantasy made up with Mennonites. T

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Nyet  Oct 3, 2016 • 1:22:24pm

re: #126 Backwoods_Sleuth

a “subgroup”?
oh, well then, my lifetime experience with the Amish in four states is totally wrong…

I think these people know better whether they’re Amish or not, without your lifetime experience.

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Belafon  Oct 3, 2016 • 1:22:43pm

The PBS of Amish versus non-Amish: pbs.org.

As far as can be told in this, if you’re not wearing the traditional Amish clothes, you are not considered Amish.

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BeachDem  Oct 3, 2016 • 1:23:31pm

re: #45 Sir John Barron

Hmmm, still only 65. Thought he’d be like 90 by now.

Another tidbit of info that always blows my mind:

Lee Atwater has been dead for 25 years, and he was only 40 when he died. (His widow still runs her mouth here in south by dog carolina)

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wrenchwench  Oct 3, 2016 • 1:23:40pm

re: #127 Blind Frog Belly White

That wouldn’t be plain.

Deleted another punny attempt.

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jaunte  Oct 3, 2016 • 1:23:43pm

As someone tweeted yesterday, “Worst Rumspringa Ever.”

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Nyet  Oct 3, 2016 • 1:24:22pm

Crisis actors, indeed. Sheesh.

137
Jenner7  Oct 3, 2016 • 1:25:01pm

re: #117 Charles Johnson

What. The. Fuck.

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Belafon  Oct 3, 2016 • 1:25:08pm

But if they’re calling themselves Amish, I’m pretty sure that’s between them and the people around them.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 3, 2016 • 1:25:14pm

re: #128 jaunte

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Randy Quaid lookalikes for Trump

No buttonholes needed for shirts that have snap fasteners.

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Belafon  Oct 3, 2016 • 1:25:53pm

re: #136 Nyet

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Crisis actors, indeed. Sheesh.

Not like we don’t have people claiming to be Christians running around. :)

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Decatur Deb  Oct 3, 2016 • 1:26:09pm

re: #89 Backwoods_Sleuth

He’s probably not Amish either (notice the “worldly” trump pin on his hat…)

That’s “gay” in Lancaster.

(DO NOT look up “Amish gay clothing” on google.)

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Dr. Matt  Oct 3, 2016 • 1:26:12pm

re: #117 Charles Johnson

My goodness. My, my, my.

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There’s the GOP’s leading candidate. WTF.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 3, 2016 • 1:26:17pm

While we wander off into the weeds, it’s worthwhile noting that, just like I said up above, there’s considerable overlap between Amish communities and Old Order Mennonite communities, and since they both are centered on the community/congregation, rather than a central heirarchy, rules that are hard and fast in one community might be different in another.

In the end, it’s worth noting that BOTH communities tend to be relatively closed and don’t proselytize, and so it would not be especially surprising if they harken to the siren song of preserving white privilege, even if they don’t see it as such.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 3, 2016 • 1:26:19pm

re: #136 Nyet

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Crisis actors, indeed. Sheesh.

They TOLD him they were Amish…case closed.

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CuriousLurker  Oct 3, 2016 • 1:26:36pm

Srsly—we’re fighting about what constitutes Genuine Amish™ this afternoon?

Thanks, but no thanks.

Later, lizards.

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Charles Johnson  Oct 3, 2016 • 1:26:59pm

Here we go again with another attempt to rewrite the history of the Dan Rather document case.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 3, 2016 • 1:28:59pm

re: #145 CuriousLurker

Srsly—we’re fighting about what constitutes Genuine Amish™ this afternoon?

Thanks, but no thanks.

Later, lizards.

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mmmirele  Oct 3, 2016 • 1:29:12pm

Franklin posted a John Oliver video making fun of the ethics of my employer, the stagecoach and horsies bank, on the last topic. Despite myself, I found I was stifling giggles. Because I’m in the office today watching a video on my phone and trying not to laugh.

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Decatur Deb  Oct 3, 2016 • 1:29:25pm

re: #147 Nyet

Amish PAC aims to get buggies to the polls for Trump

He should sink a lot more campaign money into that.

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wrenchwench  Oct 3, 2016 • 1:30:01pm

re: #145 CuriousLurker

Srsly—we’re fighting about what constitutes Genuine Amish™ this afternoon?

Thanks, but no thanks.

Later, lizards.

The real deal would just be ‘Am’, wouldn’t it? If it’s ‘sort of Am’, it would be ‘Amish’.

OK, nuffish for now.

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nines09  Oct 3, 2016 • 1:30:04pm

re: #150 Decatur Deb

He should sink a lot more campaign money into that.

He should rent some vans and drivers. And promise soft serve afterwards.

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jaunte  Oct 3, 2016 • 1:30:28pm

re: #151 wrenchwench

It’s amish mash.

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Dr. Matt  Oct 3, 2016 • 1:30:40pm

re: #117 Charles Johnson

My goodness. My, my, my.

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Makes this photo all the creepier.

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Decatur Deb  Oct 3, 2016 • 1:30:48pm

You know you have been in the wrong part of Florida when you feel a sense of relief at being back in South Alabama.

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jimmyvluv4u  Oct 3, 2016 • 1:32:28pm

re: #154 Dr. Matt

:-|

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Varek Raith  Oct 3, 2016 • 1:32:29pm

re: #155 Decatur Deb

You know you have been in the wrong part of Florida when you feel a sense of relief at being back in South Alabama.

Is this where the mythical ‘Florida Man’ lives???
/

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Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 3, 2016 • 1:33:37pm

re: #150 Decatur Deb

He should sink a lot more campaign money into that.

There are roughly 68,000 Amish in Pennsylvania.

There are roughly 834,000 Hispanics in Pennsylvania.

There are roughly 1,224,000 Blacks in Pennsylvania.

There are roughly 6,351,000 Women in Pennsylvania.

So, sure. Go for the Amish vote.

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Decatur Deb  Oct 3, 2016 • 1:34:14pm

re: #157 Varek Raith

Is this where the mythical ‘Florida Man’ lives???
/

No. For all his misadventures, Florida Man has a certain innocence about him.

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Nyet  Oct 3, 2016 • 1:34:55pm

re: #144 Backwoods_Sleuth

They TOLD him they were Amish…case closed.

Absolutely. They would know whether they’re Amish or not.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 3, 2016 • 1:35:18pm

re: #154 Dr. Matt

Makes this photo all the creepier.

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Okay, can somebody who isn’t at work summarize the video for those of us with the sound off?

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Nyet  Oct 3, 2016 • 1:35:58pm

re: #150 Decatur Deb

Hey, it’s working. /

aljazeera.com

Harrisburg, Pennsylvania - Along a country road in Lancaster, a county in south central Pennsylvania, a young boy dressed in a pale blue shirt, black suspenders and a broad straw hat draws his horse and cart towards the town centre.

Among the farmlands and barn houses, a blue and white sign stands out in the otherwise pastoral setting: Trump, Pence - Make America Great Again.

This is Amish country, and despite its remote setting, the community has become enveloped along with the rest of the country in the 2016 United States presidential election campaigns.

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Dr. Matt  Oct 3, 2016 • 1:36:19pm

re: #156 jimmyvluv4u

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:-|

I want to downding because now I need a liter of eye bleach.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 3, 2016 • 1:36:36pm

re: #147 Nyet

Amish PAC is founded by Ben Walters, worked on a political action committee for Ben Carson, and Ben King, the president of a local contracting company and former Amishman. The committee treasurer, Taylor Swindle, served as a top aide to former House Speaker Newt Gingrich.

The PAC is not run by anyone who is Amish.

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Shiplord Kirel  Oct 3, 2016 • 1:36:52pm

re: #117 Charles Johnson

My goodness. My, my, my.

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Yow! Creep-o-rama!

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Decatur Deb  Oct 3, 2016 • 1:38:01pm

re: #164 Backwoods_Sleuth

Amish PAC is founded by Ben Walters, worked on a political action committee for Ben Carson, and Ben King, the president of a local contracting company and former Amishman. The committee treasurer, Taylor Swindle, served as a top aide to former House Speaker Newt Gingrich.

The PAC is not run by anyone who is Amish.

Taylor Swindle is the very best name for a committee treasurer.

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Nyet  Oct 3, 2016 • 1:38:04pm

re: #162 Nyet

Oh my, the Amish in the article allowed themselves to be photographed. Fake Amish everywhere!!!1

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Nyet  Oct 3, 2016 • 1:38:37pm

re: #164 Backwoods_Sleuth

Very good, but as the article states, some Amish do vote.

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Dr. Matt  Oct 3, 2016 • 1:38:57pm

re: #161 Blind Frog Belly White

Okay, can somebody who isn’t at work summarize the video for those of us with the sound off?

They were asked what they had in common with each other. She answered golf and real estate. He replies, “I was going to say sex”.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 3, 2016 • 1:39:15pm

re: #168 Nyet

Very good, but as the article states, some Amish do vote.

Who said Amish don’t vote?
I didn’t say that.

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Kragar  Oct 3, 2016 • 1:39:39pm
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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Oct 3, 2016 • 1:39:39pm

I saw a bear on Saturday.

And then snow yesterday.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 3, 2016 • 1:40:04pm

re: #166 Decatur Deb

Taylor Swindle is the very best name for a committee treasurer.

Inorite?

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Shiplord Kirel  Oct 3, 2016 • 1:40:15pm

Remember the good old days (before 2016) when fire and brimstone preachers would condemn liars, tax cheats, adulterers, gamblers, and perverts to hell rather than backing them for president?

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Targetpractice  Oct 3, 2016 • 1:41:22pm

re: #171 Kragar

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Let me guess, latest excuse for how he managed to lose nearly $1 billion in a boom year?

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Eventual Carrion  Oct 3, 2016 • 1:41:49pm

re: #150 Decatur Deb

He should sink a lot more campaign money into that.

Do some TV ads.

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Kragar  Oct 3, 2016 • 1:41:52pm
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Decatur Deb  Oct 3, 2016 • 1:42:14pm

re: #176 Eventual Carrion

Do some TV ads.

Paint some barns.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 3, 2016 • 1:42:45pm

re: #169 Dr. Matt

They were asked what they had in common with each other. She answered golf and real estate. He replies, “I was going to say sex”.

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Nyet  Oct 3, 2016 • 1:42:54pm

re: #170 Backwoods_Sleuth

Some people apparently don’t know that some Amish vote. One such comment appeared above.

Obviously the Amish supporting Trump on the photos are among those who do.

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Belafon  Oct 3, 2016 • 1:42:57pm

re: #164 Backwoods_Sleuth

Amish PAC is founded by Ben Walters, worked on a political action committee for Ben Carson, and Ben King, the president of a local contracting company and former Amishman. The committee treasurer, Taylor Swindle, served as a top aide to former House Speaker Newt Gingrich.

The PAC is not run by anyone who is Amish.

Shouldn’t the treasurer be named Ben Swindle? And what an awesome name for a treasurer.

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BeachDem  Oct 3, 2016 • 1:43:23pm

re: #154 Dr. Matt

Makes this photo all the creepier.

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re: #156 jimmyvluv4u

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:-|

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Jenner7  Oct 3, 2016 • 1:43:24pm

So, apparently the 90’s were worse than the great recession.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 3, 2016 • 1:44:11pm

re: #182 BeachDem

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“Daddy, your keys keep jabbing me!”

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Targetpractice  Oct 3, 2016 • 1:44:13pm

re: #177 Kragar

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“Our tax dollars”? What’s this “our” business, white man?

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Dr. Matt  Oct 3, 2016 • 1:44:17pm

re: #179 Blind Frog Belly White

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It gets worse. Everyone should read this…with a wastebasket nearby.

A Complete-ish History of Donald Trump’s Obsession With His Ideal Woman, His Own Daughter

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Belafon  Oct 3, 2016 • 1:44:23pm

re: #172 klys (maker of Silmarils)

I saw a bear on Saturday.

And then snow yesterday.

*Searches Farmers Almanac*

I got nothing.

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Decatur Deb  Oct 3, 2016 • 1:44:58pm

re: #182 BeachDem

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That’s horrible. Someone is not clapping on the beat.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Oct 3, 2016 • 1:48:15pm

re: #187 Belafon

*Searches Farmers Almanac*

I got nothing.

Lassen was fantastic. Coming back to reality sucks.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 3, 2016 • 1:48:32pm
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Jenner7  Oct 3, 2016 • 1:55:05pm

I….

::closes mouth::

can’t…

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Decatur Deb  Oct 3, 2016 • 1:56:26pm

re: #191 Jenner7

Trump says there are now “monthly… race riots”: “Someone said don’t call them race riots. But that’s what they are. They’re race riots”

I….

::closes mouth::

can’t…

He will justify lynchings just before or just after the second debate.

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Trumpia est omnis divisa in duo calathi(Sophist)  Oct 3, 2016 • 1:56:40pm

re: #164 Backwoods_Sleuth

The committee treasurer, Taylor Swindle…

Because of course that’s his name…

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jaunte  Oct 3, 2016 • 1:56:43pm
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Romantic Heretic  Oct 3, 2016 • 1:56:45pm

re: #31 KGxvi

Just change the method of execution to bullet-in-the-head and fill the job of executioner by conscription so that if a person can vote there is a chance they could be called upon to kill a stranger at close range and in a bloody manner.

I’ve found most death penalty supporters aren’t in favour of that. I’m not a killer!

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Belafon  Oct 3, 2016 • 1:57:25pm

re: #191 Jenner7

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I….

::closes mouth::

can’t…

Who knew M. Knight Shyamalan’s The Village was a documentary.

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gocart mozart  Oct 3, 2016 • 1:59:28pm
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Shiplord Kirel  Oct 3, 2016 • 2:01:03pm

re: #195 Romantic Heretic

Just change the method of execution to bullet-in-the-head and fill the job of executioner by conscription so that if a person can vote there is a chance they could be called upon to kill a stranger at close range and in a bloody manner.

I’ve found most death penalty supporters aren’t in favour of that. I’m not a killer!

And they thought jury duty sucked. Better yet: Draft people to pull the lanyard on the guillotine, and equip them with mops, towels, coveralls, and lots of detergent and bleach for the clean-up afterward.

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Dr. Matt  Oct 3, 2016 • 2:01:23pm

LIVE Stream: Donald Trump Rally in Pueblo, CO 10/3/16

LIVE Stream: Donald Trump Rally in Pueblo, CO 10/3/16

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Romantic Heretic  Oct 3, 2016 • 2:02:23pm

re: #79 GlutenFreeJesus

Didn’t you get the memo? Guns ARE religion.

And the blood spilled by them provides blood for the Blood God.

The Tree of Liberty! I meant waters the Tree of Liberty!

202
Mattand  Oct 3, 2016 • 2:03:33pm

re: #59 Nyet

I think Assange is anti-American insofar America is not isolationist. He probably sees Trump as more isolationist than Clinton. And of course it’s also personal from her SoS days - apparently she’s been pushing for his indictment or at the very least that’s his belief.

Anyway, horse’s mouth: observer.com

Thanks. That actually makes sense.

203
b.d.  Oct 3, 2016 • 2:05:44pm

[trump] You people were just too busy getting rich in the 90s to realize there was a recession!! [/trump]

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Trumpia est omnis divisa in duo calathi(Sophist)  Oct 3, 2016 • 2:05:44pm

re: #199 Shiplord Kirel

And they thought jury duty sucked. Better yet: Draft people to pull the lanyard on the guillotine, and equip them with mops, towels, coveralls, and lots of detergent and bleach for the clean-up afterward.

The jury gets to do the cleanup. If you think that killing an offender is so crucial that you’re willing to sponge up the blood and tissue afterward, then you can vote for the death penalty.

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Decatur Deb  Oct 3, 2016 • 2:06:10pm

re: #195 Romantic Heretic

Just change the method of execution to bullet-in-the-head and fill the job of executioner by conscription so that if a person can vote there is a chance they could be called upon to kill a stranger at close range and in a bloody manner.

I’ve found most death penalty supporters aren’t in favour of that. I’m not a killer!

When Gary Gilmore was executed by firing squad in Utah, they had to turn away civilian volunteers. (The squad is composed of LE volunteers).

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jaunte  Oct 3, 2016 • 2:06:47pm


Trump Rented Office Space To Iranian Bank Later Tied To Terrorism

Donald Trump previously rented office space to an Iranian bank that U.S. authorities later accused of funding terrorism and helping to develop Iran’s nuclear program, the Center for Public Integrity reported on Monday.

Between 1998 and 2003, the Trump Organization rented more than 8,000 square feet of office space to Bank Melli on the 44th floor of the GM Building in New York, court documents show. During that time, the Iranian bank would have been included under a sweeping U.S. embargo against Iranian businesses. The Treasury Department designated Bank Melli in 1999 as being under the control of the Iranian government.
huffingtonpost.com;

Every day it’s another half-dozen things.

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MsJ  Oct 3, 2016 • 2:08:52pm

re: #143 Blind Frog Belly White

While we wander off into the weeds, it’s worthwhile noting that, just like I said up above, there’s considerable overlap between Amish communities and Old Order Mennonite communities, and since they both are centered on the community/congregation, rather than a central heirarchy, rules that are hard and fast in one community might be different in another.

In the end, it’s worth noting that BOTH communities tend to be relatively closed and don’t proselytize, and so it would not be especially surprising if they harken to the siren song of preserving white privilege, even if they don’t see it as such.

And didn’t most of these originate in Germany (correct me if I am wrong) where the Drumpf family is from?

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Trumpia est omnis divisa in duo calathi(Sophist)  Oct 3, 2016 • 2:09:32pm

re: #205 Decatur Deb

When Gary Gilmore was executed by firing squad in Utah, they had to turn away civilian volunteers (the squad is composed of LE volunteers).

90% of those volunteers would have puked their guts out if they actually got picked. Real life ain’t a John Wayne movie.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 3, 2016 • 2:09:55pm

re: #206 jaunte


Trump Rented Office Space To Iranian Bank Later Tied To Terrorism

Every day it’s another half-dozen things.

The Trump Campaign just had its worst evening!
day!
two-day period!
three days!
four days!
five days!
six days!
week!
eight days!

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jaunte  Oct 3, 2016 • 2:11:06pm

re: #207 MsJ

Friesland for Mennonites, Switzerland and Alsace for Amish.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 3, 2016 • 2:12:20pm

re: #207 MsJ

And didn’t most of these originate in Germany (correct me if I am wrong) where the Drumpf family is from?

Yeah, pretty much.

And as an aside, nobody like my ‘OverLapp’ joke, so you all have to turn in your ‘Amish Expert’ credentials!!!

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Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 3, 2016 • 2:13:30pm

re: #210 jaunte

Friesland for Mennonites, Switzerland and Alsace for Amish.

At the time they left, there wasn’t actually a ‘Germany’.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 3, 2016 • 2:14:03pm

re: #211 Blind Frog Belly White

Yeah, pretty much.

And as an aside, nobody like my ‘OverLapp’ joke, so you all have to turn in your ‘Amish Expert’ credentials!!!

I groaned when I read it…

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Decatur Deb  Oct 3, 2016 • 2:15:54pm

re: #211 Blind Frog Belly White

Yeah, pretty much.

And as an aside, nobody like my ‘OverLapp’ joke, so you all have to turn in your ‘Amish Expert’ credentials!!!

Hey!1 I’ve seen the barnraising scene from Witness 50 times.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 3, 2016 • 2:15:59pm

re: #213 Backwoods_Sleuth

I groaned when I read it…

That’s all a punster can ask!

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Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 3, 2016 • 2:17:08pm

re: #214 Decatur Deb

Hey!1 I’ve seen the barnraising scene from Witness 50 times.

Raised a barn on Monday,
Soon I’ll raise anodder!

217
BeachDem  Oct 3, 2016 • 2:17:13pm

Yeah, when you want some enlightened discourse on Trump’s taxes, the logical expert is Chachi:

“I don’t know, Neil,” he said. “Because I don’t know what’s all, what, what his, his lawyers were staying to him. I can’t answer that question — yes, maybe, no, maybe, I’m not him.”

I know I now have a much better understanding of it all.

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Charles Johnson  Oct 3, 2016 • 2:18:21pm

Now heaving a big sigh.

No reply from @farhip after that.

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Charles Johnson  Oct 3, 2016 • 2:20:31pm

Trump’s speech in Colorado is just a total boring rehash of everything he’s said before. I think they slipped some Xanax into his KFC mashed potatoes before the rally because he sounds pretty subdued this time.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 3, 2016 • 2:23:10pm

re: #219 Charles Johnson

Trump’s speech in Colorado is just a total boring rehash of everything he’s said before. I think they slipped some Xanax into his KFC mashed potatoes before the rally because he sounds pretty subdued this time.

Well, after his horrendous hot takes with the veterans in Virginia this morning, I’m surprised they didn’t just dart him with an elephant tranquilizer.

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gocart mozart  Oct 3, 2016 • 2:23:25pm
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Bass Reeves  Oct 3, 2016 • 2:24:35pm

re: #30 Backwoods_Sleuth

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gocart mozart  Oct 3, 2016 • 2:25:36pm
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Nyet  Oct 3, 2016 • 2:25:57pm

re: #218 Charles Johnson

Sucks when people deny the obvious.

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Cheechako  Oct 3, 2016 • 2:27:27pm
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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Oct 3, 2016 • 2:27:36pm
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Charles Johnson  Oct 3, 2016 • 2:27:46pm
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whitebeach  Oct 3, 2016 • 2:28:08pm

re: #219 Charles Johnson

Trump’s speech in Colorado is just a total boring rehash of everything he’s said before. I think they slipped some Xanax into his KFC mashed potatoes before the rally because he sounds pretty subdued this time.

Runnin on empty, stamina-wise. He had to take questions sitting down in Virginia.

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EPR-radar  Oct 3, 2016 • 2:28:21pm

re: #224 Nyet

Sucks when people deny the obvious.

Rathergate is a good test case to see which lefty types remain bound by reality.

IMO it was a case of otherwise accurate reporting on W Bush shirking his TANG duties being blown to smithereens by Rather’s acceptance of obvious forgeries as genuine.

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Nyet  Oct 3, 2016 • 2:29:52pm

re: #229 EPR-radar

Rathergate is a good test case to see which lefty types remain bound by reality.

IMO it was a case of basically accurate reporting on W Bush shirking his TANG duties being blown to smithereens by Rather’s acceptance of obvious forgeries as genuine.

Rather’s head is otherwise screwed on right, but this one issue is unforgivable.

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Lidane  Oct 3, 2016 • 2:30:00pm

ICYMI:

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EPR-radar  Oct 3, 2016 • 2:31:52pm

re: #231 Lidane

In a worst case scenario, “loyal to the GOP” might end up being just as feeble a defense at war crimes trials as “just following orders” was.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 3, 2016 • 2:32:26pm

re: #229 EPR-radar

Rathergate is a good test case to see which lefty types remain bound by reality.

IMO it was a case of otherwise accurate reporting on W Bush shirking his TANG duties being blown to smithereens by Rather’s acceptance of obvious forgeries as genuine.

It was a beautiful piece of Karl Rove doing the Machiavellian manipulation thing, and served its purpose of distracting the discussion from how GW Bush dodged his otherwise cushy military duties.

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EPR-radar  Oct 3, 2016 • 2:35:27pm

re: #233 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

It was a beautiful piece of Karl Rove doing the Machiavellian manipulation thing, and served its purpose of distracting the discussion from how GW Bush dodged his otherwise cushy military duties.

Indeed. I’m certain the Killian documents were created by a GOP ratfucker, and then passed on to a useful lefty idiot for eventual transmission to the press.

The fact that Rather’s career ended over this nonsense must have given the involved GOP apparatchiks their high-class card key passes to the exclusive circles of Hell.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 3, 2016 • 2:36:00pm

re: #227 Charles Johnson

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These things will always be taken out of context. Whether they stick is not so much a function of being taken out of context, as it is of fitting with the prevailing image.

Hitherto, Trump’s been “the outsider who often says things that aren’t politically correct”, but that has been changing into “the heartless sociopath who attacks everyone he thinks is a loser”. And the Curiel, Khan, and now Machado episodes each have further cemented this impression. And each successive one has come as more and more people are taking the race seriously.

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Nyet  Oct 3, 2016 • 2:36:31pm

re: #234 EPR-radar

That’s the most plausible explanation. Who else would have a motivation? OK, maybe some random troll, but that’s less probable that a wingnut.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Oct 3, 2016 • 2:36:44pm

re: #232 EPR-radar

In a worst case scenario, “loyal to the GOP” might end up being just as feeble a defense at war crimes trials as “just following orders” was.

Wingnut terminology and “philosophy” is about as sterotyped as that of the Ascian prisoner Loyal-to-the-Group-of-Seventeen from The Book of the New Sun.

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wrenchwench  Oct 3, 2016 • 2:37:58pm

There goes that wall…

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Charles Johnson  Oct 3, 2016 • 2:39:58pm

re: #236 Nyet

That’s the most plausible explanation. Who else would have a motivation? OK, maybe some random troll, but that’s less probable that a wingnut.

Actually, the main suspect, Bill Burkett, had a long-standing personal grudge against George W. Bush, and I think that’s the most likely explanation, not a GOP rat-fucker. The docs were so obviously fake that I doubt the “planted” hypothesis. There was no way to predict that all those editors and people at CBS would look at them and not notice they couldn’t have come from a typewriter.

The very incompetence of the forgery precludes the “planted” hypothesis, IMO.

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Lidane  Oct 3, 2016 • 2:41:14pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 3, 2016 • 2:45:12pm

re: #239 Charles Johnson

Actually, the main suspect, Bill Burkett, had a long-standing personal grudge against George W. Bush, and I think that’s the most likely explanation, not a GOP rat-fucker. The docs were so obviously fake that I doubt the “planted” hypothesis. There was no way to predict that all those editors and people at CBS would look at them and not notice they couldn’t have come from a typewriter.

The very incompetence of the forgery precludes the “planted” hypothesis, IMO.

Confirmation bias is strong, Charles. My thought is that the ratfucker succeeded beyond his wildest dreams. I doubt his goal was to take down Rather, but more likely to muddy the waters, and discredit ‘The Left’ generally for making obvious forgeries to discredit Bush, which itself would have been a story.

In the end, until Roger Stone confesses that I’m right, we’ll never know.
///

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calochortus  Oct 3, 2016 • 2:47:19pm

re: #226 klys (maker of Silmarils)

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Belafon  Oct 3, 2016 • 2:48:17pm

re: #227 Charles Johnson

I kind of think that he should be given some wiggle room because he is giving a speech. And I think this should go away because there are plenty of concrete thing to go after him over, and plenty of them deal with veterans.

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Charles Johnson  Oct 3, 2016 • 2:49:29pm

re: #243 Belafon

I kind of think that he should be given some wiggle room because he is giving a speech. And I think this should go away because there are plenty of concrete thing to go after him over, and plenty of them deal with veterans.

But this isn’t the first time he’s said something like this. He clearly believes that “strong” people don’t get PTSD or commit suicide.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 3, 2016 • 2:49:51pm

re: #241 Blind Frog Belly White

I’d also observe that the docs being an obvious forgery makes Burkett seem stupider if he made them, rather than simply accepted them because they were what he wanted to see.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 3, 2016 • 2:50:42pm

re: #244 Charles Johnson

But this isn’t the first time he’s said something like this. He clearly believes that “strong” people don’t get PTSD or commit suicide.

And his whole personality is built around strong vs weak.

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De Kolta Chair  Oct 3, 2016 • 2:50:47pm

First week using Photoshop in a long time…

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 3, 2016 • 2:53:20pm

re: #246 Blind Frog Belly White

And his whole personality is built around strong vs weak.

And his definitions of “strong” and “weak” are seriously flawed.

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Nyet  Oct 3, 2016 • 2:53:56pm

Heh, a great site about everything Amish:
amishamerica.com
As I said, there are stereotypes (buttons, photos, technology etc.), and there’s reality.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 3, 2016 • 2:55:42pm

Lou Anna Red Corn was sworn in Monday afternoon as the first female Commonwealth Attorney for Fayette County in a ceremony that involved her being wrapped in a blanket belonging to her late mother.

The wrapping of the blanket is an Osage Indian Nation tradition that was carried out at Fayette County Circuit Court in front of more than 100 current and retired judges, police officers and lawyers from around Central Kentucky.

Red Corn has worked as first assistant to Fayette County attorney Ray Larson since 2006 and has lived in Lexington since 1977. Her career with Fayette County spans 30 years and includes trying more than 220 felony cases, 51 of which were homicides.

“My office will always be a force for good. Especially for victims and the most vulnerable victims, children and the elderly,” Red Corn said Monday. “We will never forget our obligation and our duty to be fair.”

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Charles Johnson  Oct 3, 2016 • 2:56:30pm

re: #245 Blind Frog Belly White

I’d also observe that the docs being an obvious forgery makes Burkett seem stupider if he made them, rather than simply accepted them because they were what he wanted to see.

There’s no evidence at all of the documents being planted, and plenty of evidence that they were created and faxed to CBS News by Bill Burkett. Sorry, but Occam’s Razor says they weren’t planted, but were created ineptly by a guy who was well-known as an anti-Bush zealot.

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Charles Johnson  Oct 3, 2016 • 2:59:26pm
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Nyet  Oct 3, 2016 • 3:02:43pm

re: #251 Charles Johnson

There’s no evidence at all of the documents being planted, and plenty of evidence that they were created and faxed to CBS News by Bill Burkett. Sorry, but Occam’s Razor says they weren’t planted, but were created ineptly by a guy who was well-known as an anti-Bush zealot.

OK, I looked this guy up and what you say is plausible. Question: why was his attempt so amateurish? Was he dumb?

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CuriousLurker  Oct 3, 2016 • 3:04:19pm

Don’t know if this has been posted already:

Donald Trump: Military suicides happen to servicemembers who ‘can’t handle it’

Washington (CNN) — Donald Trump suggested Monday that American soldiers and veterans who commit suicide do so because they can’t handle the post-traumatic stress of war.

“When you talk about the mental health problems, when people come back from war and combat and they see things that maybe a lot of folks in this room have seen many times over and you’re strong and you can handle it but a lot of people can’t handle it. They see horror stories, they see events you couldn’t see in a movie, nobody would believe it,” Trump said Monday, during a panel interview at the Retired American Warriors PAC, in Herndon, Virginia. […]

cnn.com

Says the asshole who never served a day in his life. He can’t even handle a 90-minute debate with HRC without wigging out.

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De Kolta Chair  Oct 3, 2016 • 3:05:07pm

Benjamin Schwartz/The New Yorker:

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Charles Johnson  Oct 3, 2016 • 3:07:19pm

re: #253 Nyet

OK, I looked this guy up and what you say is plausible. Question: why was his attempt so amateurish? Was he dumb?

Yes, very dumb.

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Romantic Heretic  Oct 3, 2016 • 3:07:20pm

re: #205 Decatur Deb

When Gary Gilmore was executed by firing squad in Utah, they had to turn away civilian volunteers. (The squad is composed of LE volunteers).

Well, one of the rifles had a blank so they could lie to themselves afterward.

My method would be 9mm hollow point in the back of the skull. Messy. Plus my draft wouldn’t be limited to law enforcement.

I would include a ‘conscientious objector’ clause. Perhaps a year public service if someone wasn’t willing to blow someone’s brains out. Or jail time if they weren’t willing to do either.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 3, 2016 • 3:08:52pm
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KingKenrod  Oct 3, 2016 • 3:09:06pm

re: #244 Charles Johnson

But this isn’t the first time he’s said something like this. He clearly believes that “strong” people don’t get PTSD or commit suicide.

His comments about McCain - “I like people who weren’t captured”. Same thing.

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MsJ  Oct 3, 2016 • 3:10:07pm

re: #177 Kragar

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Decatur Deb  Oct 3, 2016 • 3:11:15pm

re: #244 Charles Johnson

But this isn’t the first time he’s said something like this. He clearly believes that “strong” people don’t get PTSD or commit suicide.

He’s been known to confuse PTSD and STDs. Easy mistake.

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jaunte  Oct 3, 2016 • 3:12:00pm

re: #259 KingKenrod

His comments about McCain - “I like people who weren’t captured”. Same thing.

If something is personally pleasing to a yuge narcissist, “I like” is his highest accolade.

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thedopefishlives  Oct 3, 2016 • 3:14:44pm

Evening Lizardim.

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Charles Johnson  Oct 3, 2016 • 3:19:03pm
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Nyet  Oct 3, 2016 • 3:22:44pm

re: #264 Charles Johnson

Charles, do you have a screenshot of that violent facebook post by Chucky?

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Charles Johnson  Oct 3, 2016 • 3:23:28pm

re: #265 Nyet

Charles, do you have a screenshot of that violent facebook post by Chucky?

No, I’m kicking myself that I didn’t get one. And Google doesn’t cache Facebook.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 3, 2016 • 3:24:15pm
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Nyet  Oct 3, 2016 • 3:25:21pm

re: #266 Charles Johnson

To check - he wrote “Beat him again”?

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MsJ  Oct 3, 2016 • 3:25:41pm

re: #268 Nyet

To check - he wrote “Beat him again”?

Yes.

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thedopefishlives  Oct 3, 2016 • 3:28:27pm

re: #268 Nyet

To check - he wrote “Beat him again”?

Wait, dafuq?

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Charles Johnson  Oct 3, 2016 • 3:28:37pm

re: #268 Nyet

To check - he wrote “Beat him again”?

Yes, and it was about this story: telegraph.co.uk

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KGxvi  Oct 3, 2016 • 3:28:58pm

re: #264 Charles Johnson

The practice of law, the practice of medicine, cooking, speaking, acting, actually… just about any job ever.

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wrenchwench  Oct 3, 2016 • 3:29:37pm

re: #264 Charles Johnson

[“Where else in life do you get to keep working at something until you get it right?”]

Wrenching. They keep coming back until you DO get it right.

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Nyet  Oct 3, 2016 • 3:31:21pm

re: #271 Charles Johnson

Thanks. Updated my post with these details as the next best thing.

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Shiplord Kirel  Oct 3, 2016 • 3:32:07pm

re: #199 Shiplord Kirel

Reminds me: After re: #254 CuriousLurker

Don’t know if this has been posted already:

Says the asshole who never served a day in his life. He can’t even handle a 90-minute debate with HRC without wigging out.

What a tone deaf jerk. Setting aside the stupidity and cruelty of the remarks, he seems to be completely unaware of how offensive it is likely to be to veterans.

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SirMixALot  Oct 3, 2016 • 3:32:31pm

re: #9 Ubiq

Just as a heads up, Julian Assange tweeted this link of… well, a total nobody claiming that Clinton wanted to ‘drone’ Assange.

According to Bob Cesca that conspiracy theory originated from Russia Today.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 3, 2016 • 3:34:04pm

re: #275 Shiplord Kirel

Reminds me: After

What a tone deaf jerk. Setting aside the stupidity and cruelty of the remarks, he seems to be completely unaware of how offensive it is likely to be to veterans.

Like that loser McCain…

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BeachDem  Oct 3, 2016 • 3:36:07pm

Haven’t really followed them to see what they’ve been like all along, but HuffPo Forecast as of today:

CLINTON
83.6%
TRUMP
16.3%
We simulated a Nov. 8 election 10 million times using our state-by-state averages. In 8.4 million simulations, Hillary Clinton ended up with at least 270 electoral votes. Therefore, we say Clinton has a 83.6 percent chance of becoming president.

elections.huffingtonpost.com

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whitebeach  Oct 3, 2016 • 3:38:08pm

re: #264 Charles Johnson

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wrenchwench  Oct 3, 2016 • 3:38:47pm
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Bill and Opus for 2016!  Oct 3, 2016 • 3:40:28pm

re: #160 Nyet

Absolutely. They would know whether they’re Amish or not.

Convinces me. After all, Donald Trump fans would never, EVER misrepresent what demographic that they belong to, now would they?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 3, 2016 • 3:42:20pm

good times…

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Charles Johnson  Oct 3, 2016 • 3:43:37pm
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gocart mozart  Oct 3, 2016 • 3:43:46pm

re: #257 Romantic Heretic

My method would be 9mm hollow point in the back of the skull. Messy. Plus my draft wouldn’t be limited to law enforcement.

I would include a ‘conscientious objector’ clause. Perhaps a year public service if someone wasn’t willing to blow someone’s brains out. Or jail time if they weren’t willing to do either.

I support your proposal. It should be like jury duty. If you support the death penalty you already support the state killing someone in your name so you shouldn’t be afraid to get your hands dirty. The only moral difference is between hiring a contract killer and doing the deed yourself. The rest of us should have to watch it on live video feed. I suspect support for the death penalty would plummet if this rule were put into effect.

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Nyet  Oct 3, 2016 • 3:45:49pm

re: #281 Bill and Opus for 2016!

Convinces me. After all, Donald Trump fans would never, EVER misrepresent what demographic that they belong to, now would they?

Yes, those sly Mennonite liars, they showed those Amish by impersonating them!

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MsJ  Oct 3, 2016 • 3:47:08pm

re: #277 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Like that loser McCain…

Well, he is supporting trump and didn’t say dick when trump had the fucking audacity to say he didn’t like service members who were captured. Fuck a bunch of trump. And McCain for being a supreme pussy.

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Charles Johnson  Oct 3, 2016 • 3:47:08pm

re: #282 Backwoods_Sleuth

To be honest I’m running out of sympathy for the press in that situation. They’re the ones who agreed to let Trump segregate them in a “pen,” and they put up no protest over it. And they sit there and watch at every rally as he tells the crowd they’re liars and despicable people. It’s an abusive relationship and the media are participating in it just as much as Trump and his followers are.

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Nyet  Oct 3, 2016 • 3:48:14pm

The amount of mental equilibristics needed to accept Rube Goldberg’ish conspiracy theory of Amish impersonators is really something. Some people have never heard of Occam’s razor.

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Birth Control Works  Oct 3, 2016 • 3:49:21pm

How kewl is this?

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MsJ  Oct 3, 2016 • 3:49:37pm

re: #285 Nyet

Yes, those sly Mennonite liars, they showed those Amish by impersonating them!

Well trump has paid actors in the past. Just sayin’.

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Nyet  Oct 3, 2016 • 3:50:46pm

re: #290 MsJ

Well trump has paid actors in the past. Just sayin’.

I don’t know about that, but I’m sure paying Mennonites to say they’re Amish in the Amish country is pretty senseless.

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gocart mozart  Oct 3, 2016 • 3:52:44pm
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Jebediah, RBG  Oct 3, 2016 • 3:54:07pm

re: #292 gocart mozart

I was wondering if I would ever see the “Euripides/Eumenides” joke again.

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Jebediah, RBG  Oct 3, 2016 • 3:55:00pm

re: #291 Nyet

If they were in fact paid by Trump, I wouldn’t assume they were Mennonites, or anything else except dudes who took money from Trump.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Oct 3, 2016 • 3:55:03pm
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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Oct 3, 2016 • 3:55:10pm

re: #242 calochortus

Nice! Were you camping or staying indoors?

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gocart mozart  Oct 3, 2016 • 3:56:02pm
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Charles Johnson  Oct 3, 2016 • 3:56:07pm
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MsJ  Oct 3, 2016 • 3:56:42pm

Just saw a trump add with Hillary saying “Why am I not 50 points ahead?”

Blech.

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gocart mozart  Oct 3, 2016 • 3:56:59pm
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Birth Control Works  Oct 3, 2016 • 3:57:26pm

Floral Giraffe …

leggings

and

shirt

Can you tell I’m getting my xmas shopping out of the way …

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Decatur Deb  Oct 3, 2016 • 3:57:59pm

re: #298 Charles Johnson

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Tigger2  Oct 3, 2016 • 3:58:53pm

WOW I have never seen Joe this pissed off.

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Nyet  Oct 3, 2016 • 3:59:14pm

re: #294 Jebediah, RBG

If they were in fact paid by Trump, I wouldn’t assume they were Mennonites, or anything else except dudes who took money from Trump.

You would assume that they’re dudes who were paid to impersonate Amish but who forgot to dress like Amish (if we are to believe some people here, even though their arguments have been less than convincing). And all of this for a completely indiscernible reason. Wheels within wheels.

Luckily, since there is no evidence for this whatsoever, we don’t have to seriously entertain this harebrained “theory”.

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MsJ  Oct 3, 2016 • 4:00:46pm

re: #302 Decatur Deb

Never take a raccoon to a woodchuck Dachshund fight.

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Barefoot Grin  Oct 3, 2016 • 4:01:08pm

Trump will definitely not get the black Amish vote.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 3, 2016 • 4:01:46pm

re: #283 Charles Johnson

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The power of Confirmation Bias. And much as I always admired Dan Rather, I gotta say, he really did do this to himself.

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Shiplord Kirel  Oct 3, 2016 • 4:06:10pm

re: #303 Tigger2

WOW

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One upding isn’t enough. Everybody should watch this. Joe reveals his heart here.

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BigPapa  Oct 3, 2016 • 4:09:00pm

I saw this recently with Hillary: the mere act of defending someone (later convicted) accused of a horrible crime is in and of itself an offence worthy of derision and scorn.

No respect for the rule of law and due process from the Constitutional Patriot party.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 3, 2016 • 4:09:15pm

re: #304 Nyet

You would assume that they’re dudes who were paid to impersonate Amish but who forgot to dress like Amish (if we are to believe some people here, even though their arguments have been less than convincing). And all of this for a completely indiscernible reason. Wheels within wheels.

Luckily, since there is no evidence for this whatsoever, we don’t have to seriously entertain this harebrained “theory”.

Really, it all boils down to “Why bother?” It’s not like you’re going to convince REAL Amish to support Trump by having faux-Amish appear at a Trump rally. How would the REAL Amish find out? Internet? TV?

And it’s not like a lot of people in PA are gonna say, “You know, I had my doubts about Trump, but knowing that the Amish are behind him is good enough for me!”

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wrenchwench  Oct 3, 2016 • 4:10:10pm
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BigPapa  Oct 3, 2016 • 4:10:25pm

I think Biden would have been an excellent president. Missed by a decade.

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Shiplord Kirel  Oct 3, 2016 • 4:14:59pm

Florida:

Iframe

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Nyet  Oct 3, 2016 • 4:17:51pm

re: #310 Blind Frog Belly White

Really, it all boils down to “Why bother?” It’s not like you’re going to convince REAL Amish to support Trump by having faux-Amish appear at a Trump rally. How would the REAL Amish find out? Internet? TV?

And it’s not like a lot of people in PA are gonna say, “You know, I had my doubts about Trump, but knowing that the Amish are behind him is good enough for me!”

Exactly. It’s really of not any benefit to anyone and there is a price to pay if the deception becomes known. A simple cost-benefit analysis makes the “paid actors” less probable than the rest of the hypotheses. The “sneaky Mennonite liars impersonating the Amish heretics” is funny but doesn’t make much sense otherwise. This leaves “one of the many different Amish groups, which, as we already know, differ from each other as to the level of openness to the world, clothing, use of technology and many other things”.

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calochortus  Oct 3, 2016 • 4:19:04pm

re: #296 klys (maker of Silmarils)

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Jebediah, RBG  Oct 3, 2016 • 4:19:18pm

re: #304 Nyet

And all of this for a completely indiscernible reason.

I think that is called “Trump’s Razor.” (Or maybe Trump’s razor refers to assuming the dumbest, craziest, most self-defeating explanation for anything…)

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gocart mozart  Oct 3, 2016 • 4:19:32pm
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ObserverArt  Oct 3, 2016 • 4:19:46pm

re: #299 MsJ

Just saw a trump add with Hillary saying “Why am I not 50 points ahead?”

Blech.

That’s been running here in Ohio for the last few days.

Ohio…we have Amish. Real Amish…probably more than in Pennsylvania.

By the way…I am Catholic. But I don’t practice the religion! I just call myself Catholic.

: )

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Nyet  Oct 3, 2016 • 4:20:43pm

re: #316 Jebediah, RBG

I think that is called “Trump’s Razor.” (Or maybe Trump’s razor refers to assuming the dumbest, craziest, most self-defeating explanation for anything…)

I may use it when I go insane. Until then I’ll stick with Occam :)

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Oct 3, 2016 • 4:21:44pm

re: #315 calochortus

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 3, 2016 • 4:22:45pm
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Skip Intro  Oct 3, 2016 • 4:25:04pm

re: #313 Shiplord Kirel

Florida:

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A lot of attention has recently been turned to the restaurant franchise and why it has become a mecca for fights and violence.

Move over, Pepe, you’re being replaced by the alt-right with a cheese eating rat.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 3, 2016 • 4:26:07pm
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gocart mozart  Oct 3, 2016 • 4:27:26pm
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Birth Control Works  Oct 3, 2016 • 4:28:38pm

I finished binge watching Star Trek DS9 and have started on Voyager.

Off I go.

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gocart mozart  Oct 3, 2016 • 4:30:11pm

Wow, this Baio guy makes Ben Shapiro seem like a class act.

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Nyet  Oct 3, 2016 • 4:30:31pm

re: #323 Backwoods_Sleuth

White people have the rest of the Marvel Netflix shows. Duh.

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gocart mozart  Oct 3, 2016 • 4:32:31pm
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gocart mozart  Oct 3, 2016 • 4:33:37pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 3, 2016 • 4:37:11pm

re: #323 Backwoods_Sleuth

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This comes in handy. Second time today!

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Eventual Carrion  Oct 3, 2016 • 4:37:31pm

re: #289 Birth Control Works

How kewl is this?

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My electrical tape shirt keeps me safe from lightning during thunder storms.

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jaunte  Oct 3, 2016 • 4:38:06pm

Kellyanne Conway on Hardball just praised Trump for paying payroll taxes. Not a peep from Tweety.

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Jebediah, RBG  Oct 3, 2016 • 4:38:37pm

re: #328 gocart mozart

Hands are too big.

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calochortus  Oct 3, 2016 • 4:39:15pm

re: #320 klys (maker of Silmarils)

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jaunte  Oct 3, 2016 • 4:39:47pm

re: #323 Backwoods_Sleuth

“Why do black people talk about being black all the time.”

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Jebediah, RBG  Oct 3, 2016 • 4:40:00pm

re: #332 jaunte

Did she mention how NICE it was of Trump to make his buildings accessible to the handicapped?

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jaunte  Oct 3, 2016 • 4:40:24pm

re: #336 Jebediah, RBG

She’s get there.

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gocart mozart  Oct 3, 2016 • 4:40:25pm

This guy won’t give it up.

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Nyet  Oct 3, 2016 • 4:43:41pm

re: #338 gocart mozart

The debt gambit is sweet.
Ask him to compare Bush and Clinton 1 on that score…

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ObserverArt  Oct 3, 2016 • 4:43:44pm

re: #332 jaunte

Kellyanne Conway on Hardball just praised Trump for paying payroll taxes. Not a peep from Tweety.

He has stated he knows her well and likes her. So, there you go. No further questioning will occur.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 3, 2016 • 4:44:28pm

MSNBC contributor and conservative radio host Hugh Hewitt parroted Republican presidential nominee Donald Trump’s false claim that he weathered “an economic depression” in the 1990s, with Hewitt blaming a so-called “Clinton-triggered recession” that did not actually happen for Trump’s disastrous business failures throughout that decade.

During an October 3 speech in Pueblo, Colorado in which the GOP nominee attempted to deflect criticism in the wake of a devastating New York Times investigation into a decades-long period where he may not have paid income taxes, Trump blamed his business struggles in the 1990s on “one of the most brutal economic downturns in our country’s history” that he claimed was “almost as bad as the Great Depression of 1929.” Immediately following Trump’s speech, frequent Trump apologist Hugh Hewitt gave cover to Trump’s dubious claim, saying that President Bill Clinton’s policies and a supposed “Clinton-triggered recession of those years” were to blame for Trump’s business collapse, where he reported losses of over $900 million in 1995.

Unfortunately for Trump and contrary to Hewitt’s claim, there was no recession during the Clinton administration, much less an economic contraction as severe as the Great Depression of 1929 or the profound economic and financial crisis of 2007 through 2009, which was inherited by President Obama.

and MM has charts.

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jaunte  Oct 3, 2016 • 4:44:32pm

re: #340 ObserverArt

So her appearances are an in-kind contribution to the Trump campaign.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 3, 2016 • 4:44:33pm

re: #332 jaunte

Kellyanne Conway on Hardball just praised Trump for paying payroll taxes. Not a peep from Tweety.

“Mr. Trump, out of the goodness of his heart, complied with the law! And nobody gives him credit for it!”

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dangerman  Oct 3, 2016 • 4:44:51pm

re: #340 ObserverArt

He has stated he knows her well and likes her. So, there you go. No further questioning will occur.

i want to be praised for not speeding nor robbing a bank today

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jaunte  Oct 3, 2016 • 4:46:03pm

re: #344 dangerman

There are unsung heroes among us.

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Charles Johnson  Oct 3, 2016 • 4:47:09pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 3, 2016 • 4:47:20pm

Trump said today that in early 1990s many of his competitors declared bankruptcy, but he never did. Trump declared bankruptcy in ‘91 and ‘92

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dangerman  Oct 3, 2016 • 4:47:22pm

re: #345 jaunte

There are unsung heroes among us.

i also ate my vegetables.
i want a trophy

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dangerman  Oct 3, 2016 • 4:49:08pm

re: #347 Backwoods_Sleuth

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palin was way better at this word salad thing than trump is

once she got the hang of it no one could prove anything she said was a lie

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Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 3, 2016 • 4:49:45pm

re: #341 Backwoods_Sleuth

Immediately following Trump’s speech, frequent Trump apologist Hugh Hewitt gave cover to Trump’s dubious claim, saying that President Bill Clinton’s policies and a supposed “Clinton-triggered recession of those years” were to blame for Trump’s business collapse, where he reported losses of over $900 million in 1995.

More of those time-travelling Democrats! Sneaky of Bill Clinton to have triggered a recession that ended before he even announced he was running for President! Just like Obama triggered the recession that began 13 months before he took office!

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FormerDirtDart  Oct 3, 2016 • 4:50:06pm

Trump has and uses all the “best words”, he just doesn’t know what they mean…
Or, this sure seems to affirm that he co-mingles his personal and corporate finances…

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ObserverArt  Oct 3, 2016 • 4:50:24pm

re: #342 jaunte

So her appearances are an in-kind contribution to the Trump campaign.

I only know what I see and how I perceive it. I have no standing as a journalist. But I have a nose!

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Barefoot Grin  Oct 3, 2016 • 4:50:25pm

re: #344 dangerman

i want to be praised for not speeding nor robbing a bank today

Ya done good.

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calochortus  Oct 3, 2016 • 4:50:47pm

Time to give dinner some thought. And maybe a little action as well.
BBL

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dangerman  Oct 3, 2016 • 4:51:11pm

politicawire.com

a plan:

Democrats Plan to Tie Trump to Republicans For Years

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ObserverArt  Oct 3, 2016 • 4:51:57pm

re: #348 dangerman

i also ate my vegetables.
i want a trophy

You could be saying that and be a total meat eater. How would we know! /

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jaunte  Oct 3, 2016 • 4:52:13pm

re: #351 FormerDirtDart

Trump says he has a fiduciary responsibility to pay as little in taxes as he possibly can

Someone wrote that excuse for him. He doesn’t even know how to pronounce the word.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 3, 2016 • 4:52:15pm

re: #347 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Trump said today that in early 1990s many of his competitors declared bankruptcy, but he never did. Trump declared bankruptcy in ‘91 and ‘92

Hey, he didn’t declare bankruptcy! He ‘took advantage of the laws of the country for certain businesses…”
//

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dangerman  Oct 3, 2016 • 4:53:03pm

re: #351 FormerDirtDart

Trump has and uses all the “best words”, he just doesn’t know what they mean…
Or, this sure seems to affirm that he co-mingles his personal and corporate finances…

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[Embedded content]They’re his personal taxes. A fiduciary responsibility to who? Himself? This excuse is making me so angry.

i said this yeterday and its infuriating

most people see “fiduciary duty” and have no idea what it means
but it sounds so…. “official” and honest

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dangerman  Oct 3, 2016 • 4:54:32pm

re: #353 Barefoot Grin

Ya done good.

i will take updings in lieu of cash

if you insist on cash, please forward to:

Dangerman Memorial Book Fund Foundation

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 3, 2016 • 4:56:05pm

heh

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Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 3, 2016 • 4:56:20pm

re: #359 dangerman

i said this yeterday and its infuriating

most people see “fiduciary duty” and have no idea what it means
but it sounds so…. “official” and honest

I know what it fucking means, and you’re right - it IS infuriating!

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gocart mozart  Oct 3, 2016 • 4:56:21pm
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Tigger2  Oct 3, 2016 • 4:57:07pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 3, 2016 • 4:57:55pm

re: #364 Tigger2

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looks like the kitteh is grabbing for trump’s nose flags…

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gocart mozart  Oct 3, 2016 • 4:59:45pm

re: #339 Nyet

The debt gambit is sweet.
Ask him to compare Bush and Clinton 1 on that score…

It took me all of 30 sec. to disprove each of his assertions with “lefty’ stats from WSJ and Pew. Are they not allowed to use Google?

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Nyet  Oct 3, 2016 • 5:02:33pm

re: #361 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Barefoot Grin  Oct 3, 2016 • 5:04:28pm

re: #357 jaunte

Someone wrote that excuse for him. He doesn’t even know how to pronounce the word.

He put the douche in fiduciary.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 3, 2016 • 5:08:52pm

re: #367 Nyet

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“I heard what you were saying! You know nothing of my work! You mean my whole fallacy is wrong. How you got to teach a course in anything is totally amazing!”

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Eventual Carrion  Oct 3, 2016 • 5:08:58pm

re: #306 Barefoot Grin

Trump will definitely not get the black Amish vote.

You jest, but one day. I live in NW PA and we have quite a few Amish around. Stores have hitching posts and our local Walmart has a corrugated “barn” for the horse and buggies for shoppers.

I was walking into town one morning. Passing by the local NAPA store and up pulls a white van with Amish people in it and a non-Amish guy driving (which you see all the time around here). Amish guy gets out passenger side and opens the van side door. Out jumps an Amish dressed black kid, maybe 10 years old. This was actually a first for me to see a black Amish child.

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dangerman  Oct 3, 2016 • 5:12:11pm

re: #368 Barefoot Grin

He put the douche in fiduciary.

you win
theres no topping that
im done for the night

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Big Beautiful Door  Oct 3, 2016 • 5:12:32pm

re: #359 dangerman

i said this yeterday and its infuriating

most people see “fiduciary duty” and have no idea what it means
but it sounds so…. “official” and honest

Doesn’t matter. I have had a lovely day, watching Trump’s odds of winning collapse as post-debate polls roll in. He is back to where he was four weeks ago in Silver’s polls only model.

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Tigger2  Oct 3, 2016 • 5:13:21pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 3, 2016 • 5:15:15pm

re: #369 Nyet

re: #372 gocart mozart

Shouldn’t MamaBear be in the kitchen baking cookies or making sammiches or something?

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Barefoot Grin  Oct 3, 2016 • 5:16:09pm

re: #371 Eventual Carrion

You jest, but one day. I live in NW PA and we have quite a few Amish around. Stores have hitching posts and our local Walmart has a corrugated “barn” for the horse and buggies for shoppers.

I was walking into town one morning. Passing by the local NAPA store and up pulls a white van with Amish people in it and a non-Amish guy driving (which you see all the time around here). Amish guy gets out passenger side and opens the van side door. Out jumps an Amish dressed black kid, maybe 10 years old. This was actually a first for me to see a black Amish child.

I love it!

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Nyet  Oct 3, 2016 • 5:18:28pm

re: #375 Tigger2

Wang’s stats look good too (or too good the grumpier amongst us might say): random drift 83%, Bayesian 89%

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Eventual Carrion  Oct 3, 2016 • 5:18:55pm

re: #358 Blind Frog Belly White

Hey, he didn’t declare bankruptcy! He ‘took advantage of the laws of the country for certain businesses…”
//

Failed businesses.

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Nyet  Oct 3, 2016 • 5:20:51pm

Right? :)
Right? :)
Right? :)

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 3, 2016 • 5:20:59pm
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Decatur Deb  Oct 3, 2016 • 5:22:51pm

re: #379 Nyet

Wang’s stats look good too (or too optimistic the grumpier amongst us might say): random drift 83%, Bayesian 89%

I will no longer be drawn into a discussion of Wangs and Silvers.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 3, 2016 • 5:23:49pm
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Nyet  Oct 3, 2016 • 5:23:53pm

re: #383 Decatur Deb

I will no longer be drawn into a discussion of Wangs and Silvers.

Tired from the previous swordfight?

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Decatur Deb  Oct 3, 2016 • 5:25:12pm

re: #385 Nyet

Tired from the previous swordfight?

littlegreenfootballs.com

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Grunthos the Flatulent  Oct 3, 2016 • 5:26:02pm

re: #386 Decatur Deb

Don’t get cocky.

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freetoken  Oct 3, 2016 • 5:26:38pm

… wait… wait… I thought we were talking about Wonder Woman….

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BeachDem  Oct 3, 2016 • 5:27:17pm

re: #351 FormerDirtDart

Trump has and uses all the “best words”, he just doesn’t know what they mean…
Or, this sure seems to affirm that he co-mingles his personal and corporate finances…

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I’d also like to know why Hope Hicks is a spokesperson for the foundation when she works for the campaign. (just feel like piling on—but seriously, wtf?

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dangerman  Oct 3, 2016 • 5:27:39pm

i will not stop flogging this:

so donald trump, self described .01% entrepreneur and brilliant businessman has (presumably) had no personal fed tax burden for say 20 years

the r’s argue that lowering *federal* taxes on the wealthier creates jobs

donald has had 20 years

where’s the jobs?

he s/b the poster child for what “rich” people do with their money when thy dont have to pay “some” of it in taxes - exactly the same thing as when they do - they either save it or spend it on themselves

the tax effect of “investment” has little to do with actual investment. ROE/ROR does. and the tax effect is *usually* not the make or break

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 3, 2016 • 5:28:23pm
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Nyet  Oct 3, 2016 • 5:28:49pm

re: #387 Grunthos the Flatulent

Don’t get cocky.

And with this flaccid pun the discussion peters out…;)

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Charles Johnson  Oct 3, 2016 • 5:28:51pm
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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Oct 3, 2016 • 5:29:24pm

re: #323 Backwoods_Sleuth

Personally I’m finding it very refreshing to watch a nearly all-black cast on a kickass TV series.

Has anyone on Twitter complained that the mole in the PD is a white guy?

Even more fascinating for this New Yorker is the location shots in Harlem. They’ve used real places, like the barbershop (renamed), and even included Dapper Dan in a cameo. Dapper Dan has run a tailoring and clothing shop for ages.

Meanwhile, Disney has premiered Queen of Katwe, set in Africa with an all-black cast (and no animals, to quote NPR), starring the gorgeous Lupita Nyong’o and introducing Madina Nalwanga, an Ugandan girl who had never acted before.

Thanks Obama!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 3, 2016 • 5:29:27pm
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HappyWarrior  Oct 3, 2016 • 5:30:34pm

Capital punishment support is lower than it’s been in a while. The GOP has tried attacking Kaine on the death penalty before. It didn’t work here in Virginia and I don’t think it would work nationwide. Really pathetic shit from the GOP but we knew this.

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Nyet  Oct 3, 2016 • 5:31:39pm

re: #394 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Ehm, you might want to put certain things under spoiler.

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Eventual Carrion  Oct 3, 2016 • 5:32:58pm

re: #395 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Pissed off he got caught.

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BeachDem  Oct 3, 2016 • 5:33:55pm

re: #370 Blind Frog Belly White

“I heard what you were saying! You know nothing of my work! You mean my whole fallacy is wrong. How you got to teach a course in anything is totally amazing!”

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Anderson Cooper referenced that scene debate night, when the Trumpers (and, I believe Trump himself) were yakking some bullshit about Patti Solis Doyle and she was sitting there on the panel.

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Kragar  Oct 3, 2016 • 5:34:05pm

My mind was just blown.

Duo De Twang - Stayin_ Alive.mp4

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Oct 3, 2016 • 5:37:22pm

I’ve read through this entire thread, noted the discussion of Amish and Mennonite fashion, and am very, very disappointed in everyone. Only one lyric quote, one photo of Weird Al, and no video? Shame on you all!

“Weird” Al Yankovic - Amish Paradise

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Oct 3, 2016 • 5:41:16pm

re: #397 Nyet

Ehm, you might want to put certain things under spoiler.

Fixed.

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jaunte  Oct 3, 2016 • 5:42:51pm

“…Kelley said his agency had about 100 names on its Austin volunteer list on Nov. 1 of last year, shortly before state leaders started trying to keep out Syrian refugees. That number has since ballooned to more than 1,400.

The group’s Austin chapter now has 30 “welcome teams,” volunteers who pick up newly arrived refugees from the airport, set up their apartments, help them navigate the town and assist in other ways. That is up from 14 teams in late 2015.”

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 3, 2016 • 5:43:22pm
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gocart mozart  Oct 3, 2016 • 5:43:28pm

re: #395 Backwoods_Sleuth
I can’t help thinking that this is a ploy to try to help Trump buddy. What else has changed?

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Oct 3, 2016 • 5:44:17pm

re: #404 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Bizness a-cummin’?

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jaunte  Oct 3, 2016 • 5:44:24pm

re: #404 Backwoods_Sleuth

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GlutenFreeJesus  Oct 3, 2016 • 5:44:47pm

re: #383 Decatur Deb

I will no longer be drawn into a discussion of Wangs and Silvers.

What about silver wangs?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 3, 2016 • 5:46:55pm
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Decatur Deb  Oct 3, 2016 • 5:47:17pm

re: #408 GlutenFreeJesus

What about silver wangs?

Kid Shaleen’s other appliance.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 3, 2016 • 5:47:46pm
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gocart mozart  Oct 3, 2016 • 5:48:33pm
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freetoken  Oct 3, 2016 • 5:49:02pm

Sad that we will watch a tragedy unfold without the ability to stop it:

[…] A personal weather station in Cabo Rojo, on the southern coast of the Dominican Republic near the border with Haiti, recorded 22.91” of rain in thirteen hours between 3 am and 4 pm on Monday, including a remarkable 5.33” in the hour from 6 am to 7 am. While PWS data is often suspect, these are believable rainfall amounts based on the satellite presentation of Matthew.

NHC warns that localized rainfall amounts could total 40” over southern Haiti and the southwestern DR, with widespread 15” - 25” amounts. Massive flooding and landslides are a virtual certainty, with the impacts especially severe on Haiti’s deforested landscape. As discussed in Jeff Masters’ post this morning on the hurricane history of Matthew’s targets, one of the few analogs for this northward-moving major hurricane is Hazel (1954), which killed more than 1000 people in Haiti.

[…]

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Oct 3, 2016 • 5:49:39pm

So, as my brain was waking up this morning, the jukebox in my head dropped this platter on the turntable. I have no idea why.

Laura Branigan - Self Control [Official Music Video]

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Eventual Carrion  Oct 3, 2016 • 5:50:28pm

re: #401 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

I’ve read through this entire thread, noted the discussion of Amish and Mennonite fashion, and am very, very disappointed in everyone. Only one lyric quote, one photo of Weird Al, and no video? Shame on you all!

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Video

A local band that made Amish their hook, EarthQuakers. Caught them few times a while back.

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Shiplord Kirel  Oct 3, 2016 • 5:50:39pm

re: #395 Backwoods_Sleuth

Vladimir Putin exits nuclear security pact, citing “hostile actions” by U.S. nyti.ms

Vlad and his gang must be getting a good price for the stuff. But who is the buyer?

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Charles Johnson  Oct 3, 2016 • 5:51:03pm
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Decatur Deb  Oct 3, 2016 • 5:51:22pm

re: #411 Backwoods_Sleuth

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The audience wasn’t supposed to cheer.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 3, 2016 • 5:51:48pm

these people…

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scottslemmons  Oct 3, 2016 • 5:51:53pm

re: #377 Backwoods_Sleuth

Shouldn’t MamaBear be in the kitchen baking cookies or making sammiches or something?

I suspect MamaBear is actually a pseudonym for… Dr. Psycho!

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Shiplord Kirel  Oct 3, 2016 • 5:52:49pm

re: #403 jaunte

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Stanley Sea  Oct 3, 2016 • 5:53:02pm

re: #406 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Bizness a-cummin’?

REM Exhuming McCarthy W/ lyrics

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 3, 2016 • 5:53:13pm

re: #419 Backwoods_Sleuth

these people…

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and while the feed is frozen so he can bloviate, the real debate will continue without him.

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TedStriker  Oct 3, 2016 • 5:53:13pm

re: #408 GlutenFreeJesus

What about silver wangs?

There’s always Goldiewang….

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Charles Johnson  Oct 3, 2016 • 5:53:36pm
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jaunte  Oct 3, 2016 • 5:54:46pm
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William Lewis  Oct 3, 2016 • 5:55:21pm

re: #409 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Hah!

Richard Thompson - Sumer Is Icumen In

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BeachDem  Oct 3, 2016 • 5:56:46pm

re: #393 Charles Johnson

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What am I missing? I see zero resemblance between Danney Williams and Bill Clinton.

In this pic, he looks a bit like Leonardo DiCaprio, but that’s totally beside the point.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Oct 3, 2016 • 5:56:50pm

re: #422 Stanley Sea

Thanks. Haven’t listened to R.E.M. in ages.

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scottslemmons  Oct 3, 2016 • 5:58:11pm

re: #424 TedStriker

There’s always Goldiewang….

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That’s Numberwang!

Numberwang 1x01

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MsJ  Oct 3, 2016 • 5:58:16pm

re: #428 BeachDem

What am I missing? I see zero resemblance between Danney Williams and Bill Clinton.

In this pic, he looks a bit like Leonardo DiCaprio, but that’s totally beside the point.

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Looks like Shaun King to me.

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majii  Oct 3, 2016 • 5:58:37pm

re: #418 Decatur Deb

The audience wasn’t supposed to cheer.

Jones is ignoring the fact that the commission said the alleged defect in Trump’s audio was confined to the debate hall. Jones wants to pretend that it affected nation-wide TV broadcasts, but it didn’t.

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freetoken  Oct 3, 2016 • 5:58:43pm

Supposedly from Jamaica according to the poster:

Jamaica

If so, then this flooding isn’t even from the hurricane wind portion of Matthew, as that isn’t even in Jamaica yet. The current flooding in Jamaica is from large rain bands on the NW side of Matthew. Haiti and Dominica will be even harder hit. And the northward path of Matthew is likely to bring very much rain to the already flooded areas of the Carolinas.

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Franklin  Oct 3, 2016 • 6:00:45pm

re: #393 Charles Johnson

Christ on a cracker. My two daughters look like me and not my wife.

Looks > DNA test
Feels > data

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majii  Oct 3, 2016 • 6:03:03pm

re: #428 BeachDem

“What am I missing? I see zero resemblance between Danney Williams and Bill Clinton.”

He sure doesn’t. I have eight bi-racial grand-nephews and one bi-racial grand-niece, and when I look at them, I don’t have to wonder whether they’re my nephews’ kids because they look like them. The only difference is that their complexions are lighter.

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BeachDem  Oct 3, 2016 • 6:03:24pm

re: #419 Backwoods_Sleuth

these people…

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Jill will be sitting in her car, wearing earmuffs, because she fears what might happen if she’s exposed to wifi “death rays.”

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freetoken  Oct 3, 2016 • 6:04:35pm

Gitmo radar base reflectivity:

radar.weather.gov

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BeachDem  Oct 3, 2016 • 6:04:39pm

re: #423 Backwoods_Sleuth

and while the feed is frozen so he can bloviate, the real debate will continue without him.

It’s like on demand/start over, except the only thing you want to do is turn the damn thing off.

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gocart mozart  Oct 3, 2016 • 6:07:12pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 3, 2016 • 6:07:20pm

re: #438 BeachDem

It’s like on demand/start over, except the only thing you want to do is turn the damn thing off.

So, it’s not really “in real time”.

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BeachDem  Oct 3, 2016 • 6:08:38pm

re: #440 Backwoods_Sleuth

So, it’s not really “in real time”.

It’s as real as it gets with these morons.

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majii  Oct 3, 2016 • 6:09:31pm

re: #438 BeachDem

First, Stein gets escorted off the premises at Hofstra while trying to insert herself into the presidential debate, and now we have this mucked up idea of stopping the video of the actual vice-presidential debate in order to let Baraka have his say. I’m ashamed to know that there are people who would pull a BS stunt like this one. They cannot be taken seriously by any sane individual. Something is wrong with these people. Seriously wrong.

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gocart mozart  Oct 3, 2016 • 6:10:11pm
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BeachDem  Oct 3, 2016 • 6:10:43pm

And while we’re waxing nostalgic about Trump in the 1990s, let’s relive that tragic time when he had to sell his yacht…which he was afraid to be on…to a Saudi Prince. Good times.

buzzfeed.com

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BeachDem  Oct 3, 2016 • 6:12:34pm

re: #442 majii

First, Stein gets escorted off the premises at Hofstra while trying to insert herself into the presidential debate, and now we have this mucked up idea of stopping the video of the actual vice-presidential debate in order to let Baraka have his say. I’m ashamed to know that there are people who would pull a BS stunt like this one. They cannot be taken seriously by any sane individual. Something is wrong with these people. Seriously wrong.

They probably got the idea from “House of Lies” where they freeze the scene so Don Cheadle can make clever comments. It works well on that show—on this shit show? Not so much.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 3, 2016 • 6:13:11pm

re: #439 gocart mozart

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That’s twice as fast as I’ve ever gone on a bike, and that was on a steep downhill, powered by my own excessive mass!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 3, 2016 • 6:14:11pm

re: #444 BeachDem

And that time back in 1990 when he was forced by the banks to struggle on just $450,000 a month.
Quick: Who’d Have Trouble Living on $450,000 a Month?

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TedStriker  Oct 3, 2016 • 6:14:43pm

re: #443 gocart mozart

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FormerDirtDart  Oct 3, 2016 • 6:16:18pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 3, 2016 • 6:18:15pm
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Jebediah, RBG  Oct 3, 2016 • 6:21:20pm

re: #383 Decatur Deb

I think you’re safe if you keep them capitalized.

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majii  Oct 3, 2016 • 6:23:39pm

re: #447 Backwoods_Sleuth

He reminds me of the GOP lawmaker in Alabama, Mike Hubbard, who was found guilty of corruption earlier this year. He was being paid @ $60,000 per year for a part-time jjob in the legislature, owned at least two businesses, and his wife was employed, but he claimed he couldn’t “live” on that small amount of money. The irony in this saga is that Hubbard wrote the new ethics law, then he turned around and broke it by using his political position to make extra money.

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unproven innocence  Oct 3, 2016 • 6:32:45pm

Trump advocating cyber warfare as the one-size-fits-all solution for modern problems related to computer security and privacy. I am at a loss for words.

Full Event: Donald Trump Speech on Cyber Security in Herndon, Virginia (10/3/2016)

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Trumpia est omnis divisa in duo calathi(Sophist)  Oct 3, 2016 • 6:33:04pm

re: #325 Birth Control Works

I finished binge watching Star Trek DS9 and have started on Voyager.

Off I go.

I would have done that in reverse order. Voyager ain’t as completely terrible as some say, but after DS9 it’ll be like going from that nice little Italian place to earting dinner at McDonald’s.

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fern01  Oct 3, 2016 • 6:33:10pm

re: #282 Backwoods_Sleuth

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good times…

Given how they are treated - the press should stop covering Trump - but they just can’t help themselves. I have no sympathy. They helped Trump win the primary - thought it was a huge joke.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 4, 2016 • 1:26:49am

re: #286 MsJ

Well, he is supporting trump and didn’t say dick when trump had the fucking audacity to say he didn’t like service members who were captured. Fuck a bunch of trump. And McCain for being a supreme pussy.

But again it showed that he sees things in terms of a personal slight that he must repay in kind. He could have just said that he disagrees with McCain and moved on, but he had to make a totally tactless dig against McC’s war record, something he is not really in a position to do.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 4, 2016 • 1:37:11am

re: #318 ObserverArt

By the way…I am Catholic. But I don’t practice the religion! I just call myself Catholic.

: )

This is a concept that is left out of a lot of discussions about religions (especially a certain one that is widely practiced in the Middle East and parts of Asia): there are people who simply identify a with a religion culturally without really practicing it (I am also a Christian in the sense that I was raised Catholic and still observe Christian holidays)

There are others who observe parts of a religion, but are not strict and would not think of imposing it on others.

There are others who try to be strict about the religion and impose it on family members

Then there are those who would impose their religion on society through law or acts of violence.

But no true Christian and all true Muslims would embrace violence, etc.

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