A Fantastic, Moving Short Film by Pixar Animators: “Borrowed Time”

A story about forgiveness
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A weathered Sheriff returns to the remains of an accident he has spent a lifetime trying to forget. With each step forward, the memories come flooding back. Faced with his mistake once again, he must find the strength to carry on.

“Borrowed Time” is an animated short film, directed by Andrew Coats & Lou Hamou-Lhadj, and produced by Amanda Deering Jones. Music by Academy Award winner Gustavo Santaolalla.

Watch our featurette “Why We Made Borrowed Time

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397 comments

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Schweppes7  Oct 14, 2016 • 7:58:54pm

Oh. Well if this first cousin that may or may not be close to this accuser says she did not tell him about it then I guess that clears that up. /s
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Eclectic Cyborg  Oct 14, 2016 • 8:01:21pm

re: #1 Schweppes7

Donald Trump - The gas that ignites family feuds across the country.

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FormerDirtDart  Oct 14, 2016 • 8:05:30pm

Probably best not to insert fictionalized tale into the debate. Which Trump could spin as “media bias”

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goddamnedfrank  Oct 14, 2016 • 8:07:05pm
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Ziggy_TARDIS  Oct 14, 2016 • 8:07:30pm

re: #4 goddamnedfrank

Fixed it!

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Charles Johnson  Oct 14, 2016 • 8:12:32pm
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Targetpractice  Oct 14, 2016 • 8:13:28pm

re: #1 Schweppes7

[Embedded content]

Oh. Well if this first cousin that may or may not be close to this accuser says she did not tell him about it then I guess that clears that up. /s

Juanita Broaddrick didn’t tell her then-husband that Bill had raped her until years after the fact.

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goddamnedfrank  Oct 14, 2016 • 8:13:36pm
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Anymouse  Oct 14, 2016 • 8:13:51pm

re: #4 goddamnedfrank

LOL.

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Lidane  Oct 14, 2016 • 8:17:29pm
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Pawn of the Oppressor  Oct 14, 2016 • 8:21:11pm

wsav.com

GA registration extended for Chathamite refugees (such as moi). Yeeessss! Hopefully I’ve got bank statements in the mail so I can register on Monday.

TRUCK FUMP ‘16

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Stanley Sea  Oct 14, 2016 • 8:27:57pm

That was gripping. Thanks for posting Charles.

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carey94tt  Oct 14, 2016 • 8:28:15pm

re: #4 goddamnedfrank

Done

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Ace-o-aces  Oct 14, 2016 • 8:30:47pm

Pretty fucking dark for Disney.

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The Madness of King Orange (aka Sophist)  Oct 14, 2016 • 8:30:54pm

re: #1 Schweppes7

Oh yeah? We’ll my nephew’s cousin’s roommate’s barber’s accountant met Hillary Clinton once, and she never said anything about a private email server. So clearly that was all a hoax.

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Charles Johnson  Oct 14, 2016 • 8:31:53pm
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Kragar  Oct 14, 2016 • 8:31:59pm
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Ziggy_TARDIS  Oct 14, 2016 • 8:39:44pm

re: #14 Ace-o-aces

Disney’s always been a bit dark. They just have bright colours.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Oct 14, 2016 • 8:43:43pm

re: #18 Ziggy_TARDIS

Disney’s always been a bit dark. They just have bright colours.

In fact they have a studio (Touchstone) that releases R rated movies. They don’t go out under the Disney banner but they are fully funded by the company.

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William Lewis  Oct 14, 2016 • 8:45:05pm

Any RPG player or DM who has watched in amusement as a campaign goes way off the rails will enjoy this…

mythjae.wordpress.com

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Belafon  Oct 14, 2016 • 8:45:35pm

re: #18 Ziggy_TARDIS

Disney’s always been a bit dark. They just have bright colours.

And this is Pixar, which, while a part of Disney now, got started more on its own. And the intros to Up and Wall-E aren’t exactly sunshine.

I would love for Pixar to do an adult cartoon. I don’t mean blood and guts type stuff, but something like Hell or High Water sophisitcation animated (no I haven’t seen the movie, but I know what it’s about).

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Targetpractice  Oct 14, 2016 • 8:49:18pm

When the media spent so much time playing up the “Trump pivot,” I don’t think they imagined that he’d pivot from being a boorish asshole to being a sexual predator. I’m sure they expected to hear a story or two about his being the sort of guy who grabbed an ass or two, but allegations of his having forced himself on women was probably not what they figured the last weeks of the election would hang on.

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Anymouse  Oct 14, 2016 • 8:49:28pm

Anti-Defamation League and Matt Furie (the creator of Pepe the Frog) have launched an initiative on Twitter to #savePepe

huffingtonpost.com;

“Pepe was never intended to be used as a symbol of hate,” Jonathan A. Greenblatt, ADL CEO, explained in a statement. “The sad frog was meant to be just that, a sad frog. We are going to work with Matt and his community of artists to reclaim Pepe so that he might be used as a force for good, or at the very least to help educate people about the dangers of prejudice and bigotry.”

To start, Furie and the ADL are encouraging all the non-racist corners of the internet to spread the hashtag #SavePepe across social media platforms, to overshadow Pepe’s more profane alter egos.

Furie is also scheduled to speak at ADL’s inaugural “Never Is Now” Summit against anti-Semitism on November 17 in New York, where he’ll participate in a panel discussion focused on “the manifestations and consequences of online hate.”

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Dr Lizardo  Oct 14, 2016 • 8:52:01pm

re: #18 Ziggy_TARDIS

re: #19 Eclectic Cyborg

From the synopsis of Borrowed Time:

A weathered Sheriff returns to the remains of an accident he has spent a lifetime trying to forget. With each step forward, the memories come flooding back. Faced with his mistake once again, he must find the strength to carry on.

there’s a Czech animated film you might enjoy that with a very similar theme. It’s a bit more conventional animation, rotoscoped, like A Scanner Darkly.

It’s called Alois Nebel and here’s the trailer:

ALOIS NEBEL by Tomáš Luňák - Trailer (HQ)

The synopsis is thematically similar to the Pixar short - memories of painful things.

Alois Nebel is a 2011 Czech animated drama film directed by Tomáš Luňák, based on the comic-book trilogy by Jaroslav Rudiš and Jaromír 99. It is set in the late 1980s in a small village in the Jeseník Mountains, close to the Polish border, and tells the story of a train dispatcher who begins to suffer from hallucinations where the present converges with the dark past of the expulsion of Germans after World War II.

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Sherlock Hound  Oct 14, 2016 • 9:01:47pm

re: #21 Belafon

They have the vision for it. They’ve gotten their inspiration from Miyazaki, who has done some very depressing stories. I’m not sure I want to watch the last part of “The Wind Rises” again.

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Anymouse  Oct 14, 2016 • 9:02:35pm

More Women Now Accuse Donald Trump of Groping Them Than Are Projected to Vote for Him (goes to Wonkette)

I laughed at that headline. Am I bad? /s

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Targetpractice  Oct 14, 2016 • 9:07:57pm

How bored is Nate Silver with the avalanche of bad news for Trump? So bored that he’s actually posited a scenario today where Trump could cause an EV tie by winning NH, NC, FL, OH, IA, and NV.

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Big Beautiful Door  Oct 14, 2016 • 9:10:38pm

re: #27 Targetpractice

How bored is Nate Silver with the avalanche of bad news for Trump? So bored that he’s actually posited a scenario today where Trump could cause an EV tie by winning NH, NC, FL, OH, IA, and NV.

That looked like a realistic possibility before the 1st Debate. Now the interesting question is whether Trump’s loss is so bad that he hands Congress to the Democrats.

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Dr Lizardo  Oct 14, 2016 • 9:10:58pm

re: #27 Targetpractice

How bored is Nate Silver with the avalanche of bad news for Trump? So bored that he’s actually posited a scenario today where Trump could cause an EV tie by winning NH, NC, FL, OH, IA, and NV.

He probably is bored; if he’s a political junkie, the only drama in this particular presidential election is watching Donald Trump’s campaign implode on a daily basis.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Oct 14, 2016 • 9:21:23pm
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Dave In Austin  Oct 14, 2016 • 9:28:31pm
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Belafon  Oct 14, 2016 • 9:28:40pm

re: #25 Sherlock Hound

They have the vision for it. They’ve gotten their inspiration from Miyazaki, who has done some very depressing stories. I’m not sure I want to watch the last part of “The Wind Rises” again.

Have you watched Grave of the Fireflies ?

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Targetpractice  Oct 14, 2016 • 9:32:51pm

re: #28 Big Beautiful Door

That looked like a realistic possibility before the 1st Debate. Now the interesting question is whether Trump’s loss is so bad that he hands Congress to the Democrats.

I was just thinking earlier how much has changed in a month. Remember when everybody was freaking the fuck out over Hillary’s “health scare” and Bros were going “You should have nominated Bernie!”? Or all the worry that Trump was going to control himself during that first debate and come off seeming presidential?

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goddamnedfrank  Oct 14, 2016 • 9:37:30pm
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Kragar  Oct 14, 2016 • 9:40:13pm
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Targetpractice  Oct 14, 2016 • 9:43:43pm

re: #34 goddamnedfrank

[Embedded content]

This is their only defense mechanism at this point, “Not all Republicans.” No, not all Republicans voted for him. But enough did that he won the majority of the votes and thus the nomination.

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Anymouse  Oct 14, 2016 • 9:46:22pm

re: #30 klys (maker of Silmarils)

I was going to post that.

The cat sign is cute.

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goddamnedfrank  Oct 14, 2016 • 9:47:39pm

Charles, did you intend for the quoted tweet look back feature to go back more than one layer like that? I only posted links to my own 9:29pm and 9:37pm tweets, expecting it would put the tweet by Tom I was responding to on top but not expecting for his entire quoted conversation to recursively populate up that far.

Note, I’m not complaining, it just seems to me that this string effect might not be what you intended the code to produce.

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Sherlock Hound  Oct 14, 2016 • 9:49:51pm

re: #32 Belafon

Yes.

I forgot that one, it’s been years.

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Anymouse  Oct 14, 2016 • 9:49:53pm

re: #38 goddamnedfrank

Charles, did you intend for the quoted tweet look back feature to go back more than one layer like that? I only posted links to my own 9:29pm and 9:37pm tweets, expecting it would put the tweet by Tom I was responding to on top but not expecting for his entire quoted conversation to recursively populate up that far.

Note, I’m not complaining, it just seems to me that this string effect might not be what you intended the code to produce.

I don’t know if Mr. Johnson intended that or not, but it sure put your posts in context here.

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Anymouse  Oct 14, 2016 • 9:51:41pm

Image: 49215646.cached.jpg

New Mexico Republican Party admission of sending a flyer (pictured at the link) that if you vote for Hillary Clinton, your “neighbours will know.”

Nothing fascistic sounding about that.

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Dave In Austin  Oct 14, 2016 • 9:59:09pm

Life must be good…..

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goddamnedfrank  Oct 14, 2016 • 9:59:34pm

Tom’s in denial.

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goddamnedfrank  Oct 14, 2016 • 10:07:07pm
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Targetpractice  Oct 14, 2016 • 10:08:17pm

re: #43 goddamnedfrank

Tom’s in denial.

[Embedded content]

Tom doesn’t seem to understand that such thinking assumes two things:

1. Trump will not contest the results, he’ll accept he lost and slink away. Not gonna happen.

2. The party base will accept Trump’s loss and move on. The people who are presently raging against any Republican who will not support Trump and openly calling for voters to vote just Trump and walk away? Yeah, not gonna happen.

Tom needs to come to terms with the reality that his party is headed for a very messy breakup in three weeks, it’s not coming back from the brink overnight.

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goddamnedfrank  Oct 14, 2016 • 10:14:03pm
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piratedan  Oct 14, 2016 • 10:20:52pm

re: #46 goddamnedfrank

even with immigration… build a wall
ISIS - take their oil

It’s bumper sticker politics

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Shiplord Kirel  Oct 14, 2016 • 10:22:18pm

re: #1 Schweppes7

[Embedded content]

Oh. Well if this first cousin that may or may not be close to this accuser says she did not tell him about it then I guess that clears that up. /s

A COUSIN!
I have cousins who would tell you that I run guns for Colombian cartels, that I supplied ISIS with all their saws and serrated blades, that there are so few virgins at Texas Tech because I sacrificed them all to Cthulhu, and (worst of all) that I steal Gideon Bibles to use in unspeakable rituals.

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Targetpractice  Oct 14, 2016 • 10:24:28pm

Trump is every negative campaign tactic the GOP has used for the last 20+ years rolled into one.

1992: “Don’t vote Clinton, he’s a draft-dodger!”
1996: “Don’t vote Clinton, he’s a whoremonger!”
2000: “Don’t vote Gore, his daddy got him a plum job during Vietnam!”
2004: “Don’t vote Kerry, he doesn’t support the troops because he’s against the Iraq War!”
2008: “Don’t vote Obama, he’s totally inexperienced!”
2012: “Don’t vote Obama, he supports moochers and tax-dodgers!”

Trying to argue that he is anything but the party’s worst impulses incarnate is absolute garbage.

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Kragar  Oct 14, 2016 • 10:25:31pm

re: #44 goddamnedfrank

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Dave In Austin  Oct 14, 2016 • 10:30:41pm

re: #50 Kragar

Tom’s having a hard time tonite

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Oct 14, 2016 • 10:32:16pm

Right wing media have got their marching orders from Trump Central HQ

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piratedan  Oct 14, 2016 • 10:34:15pm

re: #52 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

wow… he’s almost as insidious as Rupert Murdoch… ///

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Dr Lizardo  Oct 14, 2016 • 10:35:03pm

re: #52 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

I love the smell of desperation and flop sweat early in the morning.

Smells like victory for Hillary.

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Targetpractice  Oct 14, 2016 • 10:35:18pm

re: #52 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Right wing media have got their marching orders from Trump Central HQ

[Embedded content]

When all else fails, firebomb the messenger until there’s nothing but a pile of ashes.

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Dr. Lexus  Oct 14, 2016 • 10:36:08pm

re: #51 Dave In Austin

Poor lil’ guy.

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Anymouse  Oct 14, 2016 • 10:36:12pm

Donald Trump Probably Past the Point of No Return (Goes to Huffington Post)

Huffington Post notes no candidate has ever come back from a deficit this large in the history of political polling.

The unskewers are out, with the old chestnut “The only poll that matters is the one on Election Day.”

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Targetpractice  Oct 14, 2016 • 10:37:55pm

re: #57 Anymouse

Donald Trump Probably Past the Point of No Return (Goes to Huffington Post)

Huffington Post notes no candidate has ever come back from a deficit this large in the history of political polling.

The unskewers are out, with the old chestnut “The only poll that matters is the one on Election Day.”

When that’s your only response, you’re pretty much putting your faith in a miracle happening.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Oct 14, 2016 • 10:42:13pm

re: #57 Anymouse

The unskewers are out, with the old chestnut “The only poll that matters is the one on Election Day.”

Sadly, that’s true: We saw what happened with Brexit, and I wouldn’t put it past some of these numbskulls to try some voter intimidation tactics to the point of inciting violence.

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Dr. Lexus  Oct 14, 2016 • 10:42:21pm

Nationally, children die in accidental shootings at pace of one every other day

A 4-year-old boy finds a gun, shoots himself and dies from his wound. A 6-year-old boy accidentally shoots his 9-year-old brother, resulting in fractured ribs and blood buildup in the boy’s chest. A 2-year-old boy sees a gun slide out from under driver’s seat and picks it up. The gun fires, sending a bullet through the seat in front of him, killing his mother.

All three of these tragedies occurred in Milwaukee this year — two of them in September.

A new analysis from the Associated Press and the USA TODAY Network has found minors are dying from accidental shootings at a pace of one every other day during the first half of this year. That’s a far greater pace than indicated by federal data.

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Dr Lizardo  Oct 14, 2016 • 10:42:45pm

re: #58 Targetpractice

When that’s your only response, you’re pretty much putting your faith in a miracle happening.

Given the exceedingly strong Religious Right component in the GOP, that should really come as no surprise.

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Dr. Lexus  Oct 14, 2016 • 10:46:11pm

Johnson, Feingold clash in first debate

Democrat Russ Feingold and Republican U.S. Sen. Ron Johnson clashed over Donald Trump, Hillary Clinton, Obamacare and national security during their first debate Friday night.

With polls tightening, the two candidates who battled for the seat in 2010 were eager to spell out their differences, rally their supporters and appeal to a small slice of voters who remain undecided.

And panelists in the rapid-fire, hour-long debate cut right to the chase, asking the two candidates about their support for the presidential nominees of their party.

Johnson said that Trump’s vulgar comments about groping women made in a 2005 video were “indefensible,” but he sought to find “areas of agreement” with the GOP nominee.

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Anymouse  Oct 14, 2016 • 10:47:07pm

re: #59 Eric The Fruit Bat

Sadly, that’s true: We saw what happened with Brexit, and I wouldn’t put it past some of these numbskulls to try some voter intimidation tactics to the point of inciting violence.

However, even if there were widespread voter intimidation (unlikely), it will not change the electoral math of the blue states, and voter intimidation of democrats in red states such as mine doesn’t make any difference. (No matter how many liberals vote in my House district, it will go for Mr. Trump. Moreover, we have mail voting.)

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Dr. Lexus  Oct 14, 2016 • 10:57:05pm
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Anymouse  Oct 14, 2016 • 11:08:33pm

Dr. Ben Carson went off the rails on Joe Scarborough and Katy Kay of the BBC on Morning Joe when Ms. Kay asked Dr. Carson a simple question. He demanded MSNBC cut her mike and fetch a plug (unclear whether he meant for Ms. Kay’s mouth or for some other reason). The video is quite unhinged:
huffingtonpost.com?

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Targetpractice  Oct 14, 2016 • 11:13:00pm

re: #65 Anymouse

Dr. Ben Carson went off the rails on Joe Scarborough and Katy Kay of the BBC on Morning Joe when Ms. Kay asked Dr. Carson a simple question. He demanded MSNBC cut her mike and fetch a plug (unclear whether he meant for Ms. Kay’s mouth or for some other reason). The video is quite unhinged:
huffingtonpost.com?

Congrats, Dr. Carson, you’ve just created a campaign ad for whichever Democrat runs against you in the future.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 14, 2016 • 11:15:40pm

I’m starting to get really cynical about politics, but not in the standard, “Plague on both your houses!” way. Say what you will about career politicians, and their perks and pork barrel projects and all the rest of the corruption - they actually got shit done. They said awful things about each other and all, but then they cut back room deals and they passed bills, confirmed appointments, etc. Even under Reagan, with Dem majorities in the House and Senate, they got shit done.

Then Reagan nominated Robert Bork. That dude was nuts. Reagan was warned about nominating him, but he did it anyway. The Judiciary Committee voted NOT TO recommend confirmation, but Bork insisted on a full Senate vote. Probably other Presidents would not nominate someone who they were told would not be confirmed, but Reagan did. I know a number of Conservatives for whom that was a watershed moment, To them, Bork’s failed confirmation was such a terrible thing, and all Ted Kennedy’s doing.

I tend to disbelieve the idea of the watershed moment. More like that’s the excuse. In any case, after that, there was a rise in the ‘bomb throwers.’ Pretty soon, Gingrich and his crowd of vitriolic clowns started elbowing out the old crowd of guys who knew how to get shit done. People started talking about Term Limits as a panacea, and politicla outsiders as some sort of magical thing.

And here we are. The Tea Party wing of the GOP managed to get a lot of hardliners elected, who won’t compromise at all. And nothing gets done, Because they will neither compromise nor accept the fact that they don’t control everything. And the voters who put those guys in are fanatical about ideological purity and lack of compromise.

So, when I hear someone look at this race, or the total obstruction of everything Obama tries to do, and calls it “Politics As Usual”, I think, No, this ISN’T politics as usual. Politics as usual is a lot of horsetrading, pressure, compromise, swapping favors, cutting deals, pork barrel projects, etc. It’s kinda ugly, and it’s not very inspiring and uplifting. Nobody’s going to make a movie about the guy who goes to Washington and becomes remarkably effective by cutting backroom deals. No, they’ll make ‘Mr Smith Goes To Washington’, where the idealistic hero risks all to bring down the corrupt system. But a government of ‘Mr. Smiths’ gets nothing done because they won’t cut deals that compromise something they want to win something they want more.

I mention this because I’m hearing about the WikiLeaks stuff from Podesta and the HRC campaign, where Clinton comes across as a cautious politician willing to talk to or work with anyone to advance a set of progressive goals. That’s actually what I want in a President. I want someone who WILL compromise, who WILL accept 1/2 of a goal, knowing you can go back later and get more. People loved Bernie because he was uncompromising, but honestly - what has he done with his 3 decades in Congress?

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Anymouse  Oct 14, 2016 • 11:23:59pm

re: #67 Blind Frog Belly White

Hear hear! (Cheers arise from barren empty Sandhills of western Nebraska.)

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EPR-radar  Oct 14, 2016 • 11:27:12pm

re: #32 Belafon

Have you watched Grave of the Fireflies ?

That’ll rip your heart out.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Oct 14, 2016 • 11:29:05pm

So, apparently, the Independent found a mental health assessment from Rodrigo Duterte’s divorce:

A psychological report on Rodrigo Duterte was commissioned by Dr Natividad Dayan during the annulment of his marriage to ex-wife Elizabeth Zimmerman in July 1998, when Mr Duterte was mayor of Davao City.

The assessment found Mr Duterte suffered from “antisocial narcissistic personality disorder”, a pattern of abnormal behaviour characterised by “gross indifference, insensitivity and self-centeredness” and “grandiose sense of self-entitlement and manipulative behaviours”.

Gee, that looks familiar.

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Oct 14, 2016 • 11:31:23pm

Three Kansas men calling themselves ‘Crusaders’ charged in terror plot targeting Muslim immigrants

it’s starting

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Anymouse  Oct 14, 2016 • 11:32:05pm
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Anymouse  Oct 14, 2016 • 11:35:46pm

Sanders tweet causes drug company stock to plunge 15% in one day.

thehill.com

Senator Sanders tweeted about a drug company raising the price of a leukaemia drug to $199,000 a year. The tweet was correct, the price was raised that much.

The tweet in question:

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Oct 14, 2016 • 11:39:37pm

Mike Pence said he “absolutely” believes Donald Trump’s denials of sexual assault

no he doesnt

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prairiefire  Oct 14, 2016 • 11:41:33pm

Folks! The apocalypse is not nigh, no way, no how, not now.

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Oct 14, 2016 • 11:44:40pm

you know, these days i am still depressed even when i read all the polls predicting a substantial advantage for hillary, because it’s so clear that the social fabric has already been so soiled and that hate is on the prowl looking for somebody to beat up

besides, i dont trust the polls. too much can still happen even if the polls correctly predict the voting, and then what if they dont

ive lost the ability to be happy at the prospect of winning because it seems there is so much we’ve already lost

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Dr. Lexus  Oct 14, 2016 • 11:56:12pm
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Anymouse  Oct 14, 2016 • 11:57:06pm

re: #76 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

you know, these days i am still depressed even when i read all the polls predicting a substantial advantage for hillary, because it’s so clear that the social fabric has already been so soiled and that hate is on the prowl looking for somebody to beat up

besides, i dont trust the polls. too much can still happen even if the polls correctly predict the voting, and then what if they dont

ive lost the ability to be happy at the prospect of winning because it seems there is so much we’ve already lost

You might want to take some time to read Jim Wright at Stonekettle Station on his experience during George Wallace’s campaigns. He notes that this is nothing like what was going on in the Sixties.

stonekettle.com

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Oct 14, 2016 • 11:58:23pm

H/t to John Cole:

The Fury and Failure of Donald Trump from Matt Taibbi in Rolling Stone.

I like this graf:

There wasn’t one capable or inspiring person in the infamous “Clown Car” lineup. All 16 of the non-Trump entrants were dunces, religious zealots, wimps or tyrants, all equally out of touch with voters. Scott Walker was a lipless sadist who in centuries past would have worn a leather jerkin and thrown dogs off the castle walls for recreation. Marco Rubio was the young rake with debts. Jeb Bush was the last offering in a fast-diminishing hereditary line. Ted Cruz was the Zodiac Killer. And so on.

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Dr. Lexus  Oct 14, 2016 • 11:59:17pm
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Targetpractice  Oct 15, 2016 • 12:01:42am

re: #78 Anymouse

You might want to take some time to read Jim Wright at Stonekettle Station on his experience during George Wallace’s campaigns. He notes that this is nothing like what was going on in the Sixties.

stonekettle.com

I’ve heard that pointed out on more than one occasion, that as nasty as this election has gotten, it still doesn’t hold a candle to the 60’s in general and ‘68 in particular. People despairing over the fabric of our nation and worrying that this election will leave it permanently frayed need remember that we survived the assassination of a presidential candidate. The system has a way of righting itself, even if it involves a shitload of screaming and yelling along the way.

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Anymouse  Oct 15, 2016 • 12:18:26am

re: #81 Targetpractice

I’ve heard that pointed out on more than one occasion, that as nasty as this election has gotten, it still doesn’t hold a candle to the 60’s in general and ‘68 in particular. People despairing over the fabric of our nation and worrying that this election will leave it permanently frayed need remember that we survived the assassination of a presidential candidate. The system has a way of righting itself, even if it involves a shitload of screaming and yelling along the way.

The assassination of both Robert Kennedy and Martin Luther King, Jr. in the very same year.

Kennedy’s assassination made about zero sense, as the only reason his assassin did it was to become famous. Dr. King’s assassination was the direct result of the Civil Rights Movement. The riots that followed were horrific.

At the same time, massive protests were occurring over the Vietnam War. Kent State’s massacre was only two years after that.

The folk that Mr. Trump has emboldened have always existed in our society, and as soon as Mr. Trump’s campaign is put away, they will go back into hiding.

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goddamnedfrank  Oct 15, 2016 • 12:22:35am
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teleskiguy  Oct 15, 2016 • 12:26:40am

It’s a celebration!

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Dave In Austin  Oct 15, 2016 • 12:41:19am
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Dave In Austin  Oct 15, 2016 • 12:55:55am
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teleskiguy  Oct 15, 2016 • 1:00:49am

Dave In Austin, you heard “Electric Avenue To Hell” yet?

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Dr. Lexus  Oct 15, 2016 • 1:08:33am

I covered for a gal at work here last weekend so she could drive out with her daughter to Coachella. After tonight she’s paying me back, so I get a 5 day weekend.
*mini dance*

This song goes out to Kellyanne Conway

Alan Parsons “Don´t Let It Show” Live In Madrid 2010

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Oct 15, 2016 • 1:13:51am

re: #82 Anymouse

as soon as Mr. Trump’s campaign is put away, they will go back into hiding.

i appreciate everybody’s reassuring words. i have to say, though, i remember 1968, i was a teenager then, and despite the riots and assasinations i remember a different flavor than now. i recall the despair of the murder of our heroes and the election of nixon - now the war would go on and the ‘america, love it or leave it’ crowd would reign supreme - but a number of important battles had been won and progress still had momentum

i dont believe the evils will put themselves back into pandora’s box if and when trump is defeated. the haters have been instructed that to be a good person - “politically correct” - is wrong and dangerous, and that if hillary wins it will only be a sign of the corrupt power of, ahem, “international bankers”. not for nothing was this phrase enunciated this afternoon and the time was taken to point out that carlos slim is, in fact, mexican

i dont know what’s going to happen after election day but i dont expect sweetness and light

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Dave In Austin  Oct 15, 2016 • 1:27:20am

re: #87 teleskiguy

Dave In Austin, you heard “Electric Avenue To Hell” yet?

Released yesterday.

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teleskiguy  Oct 15, 2016 • 1:31:21am

re: #90 Dave In Austin

Released yesterday.

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Anymouse  Oct 15, 2016 • 1:41:13am

re: #89 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

i appreciate everybody’s reassuring words. i have to say, though, i remember 1968, i was a teenager then, and despite the riots and assasinations i remember a different flavor than now. i recall the despair of the murder of our heroes and the election of nixon - now the war would go on and the ‘america, love it or leave it’ crowd would reign supreme - but a number of important battles had been won and progress still had momentum

i dont believe the evils will put themselves back into pandora’s box if and when trump is defeated. the haters have been instructed that to be a good person - “politically correct” - is wrong and dangerous, and that if hillary wins it will only be a sign of the corrupt power of, ahem, “international bankers”. not for nothing was this phrase enunciated this afternoon and the time was taken to point out that carlos slim is, in fact, mexican

i dont know what’s going to happen after election day but i dont expect sweetness and light

Of course the evils will not put themselves back into Pandora’s Box. They never have; they just arise again in new forms.

I was younger in 1968, eight years old. I remember vaguely George Wallace then (eight year olds aren’t particularly political). I distinctly remember the Vietnam War, as my father was killed in 1968. I vaguely remember the riots in Detroit, though I have no memory of the assassinations of Robert Kennedy or Martin Luther King. A few years earlier, I was attending a white segregated school in Maryland.

My reading of that time (and querying my mother about it) seems to show it was a hell of a lot worse than anything going on right now. The most dangerous terrorist organisation in the USA arose from the Youth for Wallace (the National Alliance).

A lot of Trump’s supporters couldn’t organise a card game, and Mr. Trump has no organisation on the scale of Governor Wallace.

Neo-Nazis and the Ku Klux Klan have been around for a very long time, but are only shadows of the power they once held. Charles Lindburgh’s “America First” rhetoric was also aligned with the real Nazis of the time.

This looks bad today primarily because a lot of people today weren’t around when things were far worse (such as the Sixties), and none from the Civil War period.

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Dave In Austin  Oct 15, 2016 • 1:44:52am

re: #91 teleskiguy

They are releasing 1 track a week. 5 now.

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Nyet  Oct 15, 2016 • 1:47:06am

I didn’t grok this short. Failed to fabricate any emotions in me.

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Anymouse  Oct 15, 2016 • 1:47:34am

My wife just read that Jim Wright essay I linked above.

She grew up in segregated Missouri; she notes today she is a racist. Like many of the commentators at Mr. Wright’s blog, she also notes that she is quite aware of her racist attitudes she grew up with, and consciously works to avoid treating anyone differently for reasons of race (or other differences).

For my part, I have not noticed her ever, since I married her, taking some position I would recognise as a racist stance.

I would like to think I have never held racist positions. One of the reasons my mother moved her children to Michigan was she was appalled I had to go to a segregated school in Maryland, and told my father she would not permit such a thing. (He agreed.)

I do not ever recall holding a racist or sexist position in my life, but if someone holds up to me such a position, I will gladly examine it and try to excise it from my future behaviour.

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Nyet  Oct 15, 2016 • 1:53:47am

re: #23 Anymouse

Anti-Defamation League and Matt Furie (the creator of Pepe the Frog) have launched an initiative on Twitter to #savePepe

huffingtonpost.com;

ADL is feeding the trolls.

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teleskiguy  Oct 15, 2016 • 1:57:57am
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Anymouse  Oct 15, 2016 • 1:58:45am

re: #96 Nyet

ADL is feeding the trolls.

Good. The more bigots and racists come out into the light, the more can be identified.

There seem to be an awful lot of stupid people on Facebook and Twitter that put the name of their company or whatnot into their profiles. For large companies it makes it easier for them to get rid of such employees (for disparaging the reputation of the company); for individual businesses it makes it easier to identify who not to spend money with.

That is sort of like a Trump yard sign on the lawn of a business: I know which local businesses I will not spend my money at.

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freetoken  Oct 15, 2016 • 1:59:36am

‘Murica….

Two men charged with hate crime in attack on Sikh man in California

Two men who are accused of attacking a Sikh man in California by punching him, knocking off his turban and cutting his hair were charged on Friday with assault as a hate crime, according to local media.

The attack followed a number of similar beatings of Sikhs in the United States over a period of more than a decade.

Hate crime-tracking groups say assailants have occasionally mistaken Sikhs for Muslims, who themselves have also been victimized in religiously motivated hate crimes.

[…]

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Nyet  Oct 15, 2016 • 2:00:44am

re: #96 Nyet

ADL is feeding the trolls.


And that’s the problem with this dumb idea.
People aren’t going to just get creative about Pepe out of the blue. Also, the tag must be viral enough, and creativity/memes should be overflowing for this to have any effect - and you can’t make this viral, it either will be, or won’t (I think it will be forgotten in two days).
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Nyet  Oct 15, 2016 • 2:01:48am

re: #98 Anymouse

Ehm, you don’t exactly have to search far and wide to find these folks. But you also said you don’t do twitter, which is why you probably misunderstand the issues here.

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goddamnedfrank  Oct 15, 2016 • 2:03:15am

Fournier is one of the worst purveyors of false balance in all of the press but now wants to pretend he hasn’t spent months trying to normalize Trump through alarmist stories about every manufactured Clinton outrage.

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Anymouse  Oct 15, 2016 • 2:07:54am

re: #101 Nyet

Ehm, you don’t exactly have to search far and wide to find these folks. But you also said you don’t do twitter, which is why you probably misunderstand the issues here.

I’m not sure I misunderstand the issue.

ADL has always attracted “trolls” even long before there was an Internet, and this isn’t just an initiative of theirs, the creator of Pepe the Frog is also involved.

Twitter is nothing more than a 140-character instantaneous reflection of what people have always said and written, just now in real time.

ADL has always called out bigotry and hatred; that is their objective. When the racists and bigots come out to attack them, they expose themselves for others to see.

We had a motel here in the spring that allowed a fund raising group for Mr. Trump to set up a tractor trailer selling Trump gear.

That motel is now up for sale: the fallout from that, even in this very pro-Trump area, killed their business.

It is much better for the bigots to be out in the open rather than in the shadows.

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Nyet  Oct 15, 2016 • 2:12:37am

re: #103 Anymouse

I’m not sure I misunderstand the issue.

I’m pretty sure you do. You wrote: “Good. The more bigots and racists come out into the light, the more can be identified.” This is a totally meaningless phrase in this context. As far as twitter is concerned, they *are* in the light. You are not going to make more or less of them to “come out in the light”. Moreover, it’s not the purpose of this astroturf campaign, the purpose is to take back Pepe, and if you click on the tag and scroll for a couple of pages, you’ll see that it is failing miserably.

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goddamnedfrank  Oct 15, 2016 • 2:12:47am
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Single-handed sailor  Oct 15, 2016 • 2:15:46am

re: #99 freetoken

‘Murica….

Two men charged with hate crime in attack on Sikh man in California

WTF, the suspects were from Texas and did this in Richmond, CA? That’s just weird. Richmond is not a very white city to begin with.

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Anymouse  Oct 15, 2016 • 2:16:57am

re: #104 Nyet

I’m pretty sure you do. You wrote: “Good. The more bigots and racists come out into the light, the more can be identified.” This is a totally meaningless phrase in this context. As far as twitter is concerned, they *are* in the light. You are not going to make more or less of them to “come out in the light”. Moreover, it’s not the purpose of this astroturf campaign, the purpose is to take back Pepe, and if you click on the tag and scroll for a couple of pages, you’ll see that it is failing miserably.

Perhaps this particular effort is failing. Does that mean it should never have been tried?

Off-topic: My wife went to Scottsbluff today alone. She has been on a kick making polka dot dresses lately.

She notes three different men tried to pick her up, and a woman “felt her up” saying she was attracted to polka dots. Waaa?

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Nyet  Oct 15, 2016 • 2:18:11am

re: #107 Anymouse

Perhaps this particular effort is failing. Does that mean it should never have been tried?

Yes.

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goddamnedfrank  Oct 15, 2016 • 2:19:58am

re: #104 Nyet

I’m pretty sure you do. You wrote: “Good. The more bigots and racists come out into the light, the more can be identified.” This is a totally meaningless phrase in this context. As far as twitter is concerned, they *are* in the light. You are not going to make more or less of them to “come out in the light”. Moreover, it’s not the purpose of this astroturf campaign, the purpose is to take back Pepe, and if you click on the tag and scroll for a couple of pages, you’ll see that it is failing miserably.

Pretty much what I expected. Once these assholes get their claws into something it’s almost always best to write it off. Whatever his origins were Pepe is now and forever a hate symbol, in part because the artist abandoned him early on instead of using copyright law and takedown notices to defend his IP.

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goddamnedfrank  Oct 15, 2016 • 2:21:15am

re: #109 goddamnedfrank

Pretty much what I expected. Once these assholes get their claws into something it’s almost always best to write it off. Whatever his origins were Pepe is now and forever a hate symbol, in part because the artist abandoned him early on instead of using copyright law and takedown notices to defend his IP.

Basically if you can’t be a role model you can at least serve as a cautionary example.

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Dr. Lexus  Oct 15, 2016 • 2:22:22am
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Anymouse  Oct 15, 2016 • 2:25:20am

re: #107 Anymouse

Perhaps this particular effort is failing. Does that mean it should never have been tried?

re: #108 Nyet

Yes.

Let’s see if I understand the logic you propose:

a) Offensive thing occurs (in this case Pepe the Frog hijacked by Nazis)
b) Someone attempts corrective measure
c) Corrective measure draws criticism and attacks from same offenders
d) Corrective measure should never have been tried.

therefore… .

e) No one should try corrective measures.

Alternative example:

a) Racism has occurred throughout the USA’s history
b) Someone attempts corrective measure (Martin Luther King)
c) Corrective measure draws criticism and attacks from same offenders (King killed)
d) Corrective measure should never have been tried (King should have left racists alone)

Do I have that right?

Funny how hindsight is twenty-twenty. You would be applauding the ADL and the creator of Pepe if their move was successful.

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Nyet  Oct 15, 2016 • 2:27:48am

re: #112 Anymouse

Let’s see if I understand the logic you propose:

a) Offensive thing occurs (in this case Pepe the Frog hijacked by Nazis)
b) Someone attempts corrective measure
c) Corrective measure draws criticism and attacks from same offenders
d) Corrective measure should never have been tried.

therefore… .

e) No one should try corrective measures.

You have failed at an understanding attempt. Try again.

As a first step, try to find your logical mistake.

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goddamnedfrank  Oct 15, 2016 • 2:28:00am

re: #112 Anymouse

Let’s see if I understand the logic you propose:

a) Offensive thing occurs (in this case Pepe the Frog hijacked by Nazis)
b) Someone attempts corrective measure
c) Corrective measure draws criticism and attacks from same offenders
d) Corrective measure should never have been tried.

therefore… .

e) No one should try corrective measures.

Alternative example:

a) Racism has occurred throughout the USA’s history
b) Someone attempts corrective measure (Martin Luther King)
c) Corrective measure draws criticism and attacks from same offenders (King killed)
d) Corrective measure should never have been tried (King should have left racists alone)

Do I have that right?

Here’s the problem with your analogy, reclaiming Pepe is frivolous at best. It accomplishes nothing beyond a meaningless and literally symbolic victory.

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Nyet  Oct 15, 2016 • 2:31:47am

Attn, Kragar.

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Anymouse  Oct 15, 2016 • 2:31:55am

re: #113 Nyet

You have failed at an understanding attempt. Try again.

As a first step, try to find your logical mistake.

Same argument as “Google it.” If you think I made a logical mistake, it is incumbent on you to point it out.

As I see it in my two examples, the only difference is degree (hijacking of a cartoon character versus an assassination). The procession of statements is precisely the same.

a) Peace symbol (actually the symbol of the organisation of Nuclear Disarmament) is hijacked by evangelical Christians to mean satanism (they often refer to it as a broken cross)
b) Peace symbol is explained (semaphore “N” plus “D”)
c) Evangelicals continue to attack symbol.
d) Explanation should never have been tried and peace symbol should be abandoned.

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goddamnedfrank  Oct 15, 2016 • 2:33:01am

re: #112 Anymouse

Honestly, that analogy is patently offensive. I know that wasn’t your intent and I’m not upset, but in the future you really should reconsider using King in this kind of example. He died having actually accomplished something real and tangible for civil rights and equality.

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Anymouse  Oct 15, 2016 • 2:33:05am

re: #114 goddamnedfrank

Here’s the problem with your analogy, reclaiming Pepe is frivolous at best. It accomplishes nothing beyond a meaningless and literally symbolic victory.

I’ll take every symbolic victory over racism I can get.

Too bad Christians don’t try to take back their symbol from the racists that promote it. Perhaps they should abandon the cross, since racists burn it on people’s lawn and justify their bigotry with it.

After all, it would only be a symbolic victory; surely Christians can use a different symbol (or holy book since that is used the same way)

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Nyet  Oct 15, 2016 • 2:37:55am

re: #116 Anymouse

Same argument as “Google it.” If you think I made a logical mistake, it is incumbent on you to point it out.

As I see it in my two examples, the only difference is degree (hijacking of a cartoon character versus an assassination). The procession of statements is precisely the same.

a) Peace symbol (actually the symbol of the organisation of Nuclear Disarmament) is hijacked by evangelical Christians to mean satanism (they often refer to it as a broken cross)
b) Peace symbol is explained (semaphore “N” plus “D”)
c) Evangelicals continue to attack symbol.
d) Explanation should never have been tried and peace symbol should be abandoned.

Well, for starters, you attributed to me this: “e) No one should try corrective measures”.

This was absolutely dishonest on your part, since it in no way followed from what I wrote.

It is incumbent upon you to represent your opponent’s arguments fairly and without distortion. You have failed at that.

But let me humor you. Here’s what I actually wrote:

1. An insignificant offensive thing happens.
2. A corrective action is not called for.
3. If one nevertheless wants to take a corrective action, one should be sure that the probability of success is larger than the probability of failure.
4. Due to the nature of the medium where the offensive thing happened, as well as due to the nature of the offensive thing, the probability of success is nil.
5. An attempt at corrective action nevertheless happens.
6. It inevitably fails.
7. Dumb. Don’t do it again.

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Anymouse  Oct 15, 2016 • 2:40:28am

re: #117 goddamnedfrank

Honestly, that analogy is patently offensive. I know that wasn’t your intent and I’m not upset, but in the future you really should reconsider using King in this kind of example. He died having actually accomplished something real and tangible for civil rights and equality.

So you are offended by the degree? I selected Dr. King precisely because he is only a difference of degree. My selection of Dr. King was deliberate.

Go back and read that analogy again. So because Dr. King was killed, we should abandon what Dr. King tried to accomplish with his life?

I agree that the cartoon frog is hardly on the level of Dr. King’s life work, however, both the ADL and the creator are also pushing back against creeping racism by trying to reclaim the frog from racists.

So if the ADL chose instead, “We’ll we’ll cede this ground because it is not worth it,” what happens when the next symbol is hijacked. Perhaps the Democratic Party symbol. Or the Christian Cross (as in my example above). Do you cede all ground?

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Nyet  Oct 15, 2016 • 2:40:37am

re: #118 Anymouse

I’ll take every symbolic victory over racism I can get.

Good, get on twitter and start a campaign take back swastika.

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Anymouse  Oct 15, 2016 • 2:43:01am

re: #121 Nyet

Good, get on twitter and start a campaign take back swastika.

Funny about swastikas: Hindus don’t seem to have a problem with them.

I am not going to ding the author of the cartoon frog for coming late to the realisation his creation was hijacked and doing something about it. (Well, we can’t take your report of the robbery because you took too long to report it.)

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freetoken  Oct 15, 2016 • 2:43:02am

Drumpfskind did not create his marks, in the most cases, but harvested them from the already ripe field of marks:

Theologian Norman Geisler Explains How America Abandoned God, and What It Can Do to Reclaim His Favor

Christian theologian Norman Geisler said on Friday at a major Christian apologetics conference that America has paid a heavy price for abandoning God, such as rising rates of teen suicide, divorce, violent crime, and abortion, but urged Americans to rediscover their Christian roots and get back in God’s favor.

[…]

Charting back America’s history to 1620 with the first pilgrims on the Mayflower, he noted that the first thing the settlers did upon arrival was thank God in their prayers.

[…]

This is pretty standard in fundamentalist circles, but is not the real story of this country.

What they leave off is all the colonization before 1620.

They leave it off because it doesn’t fit their narrative.

[…]

The apologist then pointed to the 1859 publication of The Origin of Species by Charles Darwin as the point when America started losing its favor with God, as the questioning of God also led to the questioning of God-given morals.

[…]

Always.

Always.

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goddamnedfrank  Oct 15, 2016 • 2:43:27am

There’s one way I could see the ADL doing something useful with this kind of reclaim Pepe initiative, to partner with Twitter, Facebook and Google to use such a thing as a honeypot to identify and track / map antisemitic activity and relationships. Of course they can do that anyway and better just using Pepe and other racist hashtags as they are, and I’m dubious about Silicon Valley’s understanding of the problem and willingness to address it as such.

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Nyet  Oct 15, 2016 • 2:43:41am

re: #120 Anymouse

So if the ADL chose instead, “We’ll we’ll cede this ground because it is not worth it,” what happens when the next symbol is hijacked. Perhaps the Democratic Party symbol. Or the Christian Cross (as in my example above). Do you cede all ground?

For starters, almost nobody cares about Pepe. You are continuing with wrong analogies.

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Single-handed sailor  Oct 15, 2016 • 2:43:47am

I read the comments on the SF Chron article about the Sikh attack. I saw this. I’m stoned enough I had to laugh.

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Anymouse  Oct 15, 2016 • 2:44:30am

re: #125 Nyet

For starters, almost nobody cares about Pepe. You are continuing with wrong analogies.

For no one caring about Pepe, he sure gets a lot of attention from people around here.

So your objection is still about degree.

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Nyet  Oct 15, 2016 • 2:45:27am

re: #122 Anymouse

Funny about swastikas: Hindus don’t seem to have a problem with them.

Sure, Buddhists don’t either, neither do many Finns.
Anyway, let us know how your campaign to take back swastika is going. You’ll show those twitter Nazis!

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Anymouse  Oct 15, 2016 • 2:47:12am

re: #128 Nyet

Sure, Buddhists don’t either, neither do many Finns.
Anyway, let us know how your campaign to take back swastika is going. You’ll show those twitter Nazis!

“First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out because I was not a socialist.”

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Nyet  Oct 15, 2016 • 2:48:11am

re: #127 Anymouse

For no one caring about Pepe, he sure gets a lot of attention from people around here.

Sorry, most people don’t care.

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Nyet  Oct 15, 2016 • 2:48:34am

re: #129 Anymouse

“First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out because I was not a socialist.”

Now you’re just throwing random quotes around.

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goddamnedfrank  Oct 15, 2016 • 2:51:30am

re: #127 Anymouse

For no one caring about Pepe, he sure gets a lot of attention from people around here.

So your objection is still about degree.

I pay attention to Pepe because he’s a hate symbol. Like swastikas, 1488, Odinism/Asatru, and the Confederate Flag it’s a helpful way by which the enemy makes it easy for me to identify them. It’s not helpful for me to start seeing that frog and have to wonder if the person posting it / using it as their avi is genuinely racist or trying to reclaim Pepe.

I mean, to a very tiny degree I feel for the artist who lost control of his creation, but like I said he had legal options at his disposal but chose to do nothing for too long. Not my problem.

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Anymouse  Oct 15, 2016 • 2:52:48am

re: #130 Nyet

Sorry, most people don’t care.

Which is precisely why Pepe is a good “dog whistle” for Neo-Nazis.

I doubt you would find many people who even know Taylor Swift has been hijacked by them either, or anime characters.

Allowing dog whistles to go unchallenged is how we got the idea that “states’ rights” doesn’t mean the same thing as “segregation.”

No I don’t challenge Twitter Nazis, as I am not on Twitter. I do challenge racist statements in real life. I haven’t heard too many people talk about Pepe the Frog where I live, but I have heard such things as “we’d be better off separated.”

I can’t be everywhere at once with my liberal super powers. I have directly called out racist statements in my little town, and in public. I will not fault the ADL for calling out racism where they see it as well.

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Nyet  Oct 15, 2016 • 2:53:00am

Assange is basically openly working for Trump.

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Nyet  Oct 15, 2016 • 2:56:13am

re: #133 Anymouse

So if you were on twitter, you would start a campaign to reclaim swastika, right?

BTW, you can do it in real life too. Put a swastika t-shirt on and start telling people you’re taking it back.

Since when was “Porch Monkey” a racial slur?

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Anymouse  Oct 15, 2016 • 3:01:24am

re: #135 Nyet

Well, the creator of the cartoon frog is the guy trying to take it back. Moreover, this is a recent phenomenon, not something from seventy years ago.

He never copyrighted his cartoon, so he has no legal recourse there.

He is left with two alternatives:

a) Let it go, and be associated with a neo-Nazi meme
b) Fight against the neo-Nazis appropriating his work.

Perhaps his attempt to reclaim his creation is doomed to failure. I don’t know, and neither do you. It is his creation though, and if he wants to expend his energy in that direction I am not opposed to it.

As for that, I am going to have to sign off. Narcotics making me sleepy.

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Nyet  Oct 15, 2016 • 3:02:49am

re: #136 Anymouse

We were talking about ADL, not the author. The author can do whatever crazy stuff he likes.

Nice moving the goalposts though.

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Anymouse  Oct 15, 2016 • 3:05:12am

re: #137 Nyet

We were talking about ADL, not the author. The author can do whatever crazy stuff he likes.

Nice moving the goalposts though.

The author is working with the ADL. It is not solely the ADL’s idea. I didn’t move the goalposts; when I first mentioned this way up the thread (with a link to an article where it is announced), I quoted the article where it said it was a joint effort between the two of them.

re: #23 Anymouse

Anti-Defamation League and Matt Furie (the creator of Pepe the Frog) have launched an initiative on Twitter to #savePepe

huffingtonpost.com;

Now I really have to get to bed. G’night y’all.

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Nyet  Oct 15, 2016 • 3:09:30am

re: #138 Anymouse

Except I was talking about ADL, not Furie, and when you talked with me, you talked about ADL too (#103). So we talked about ADL. Not Furie. So yeah, goalposts moved, strawmen erected, all because you wanted to defend a silly idea.

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Nyet  Oct 15, 2016 • 3:16:36am

LOL@fake teared up voice:

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freetoken  Oct 15, 2016 • 3:17:26am
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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Oct 15, 2016 • 3:45:58am

re: #123 freetoken

Drumpfskind did not create his marks, in the most cases, but harvested them from the already ripe field of marks:

Theologian Norman Geisler Explains How America Abandoned God, and What It Can Do to Reclaim His Favor

This is pretty standard in fundamentalist circles, but is not the real story of this country.

What they leave off is all the colonization before 1620.

They leave it off because it doesn’t fit their narrative.

Always.

Always.

The same old same old. Nothing bad happened at all before Certain Time T, because before T Americans were all God-fearing, chaste and well behaved. After T, America lost God and crime and immorality went through the roof. *Especially* after Darwin suggested that God was really not the Creator of humans.

Any historian worth his or her salt knows otherwise. The Pilgrims were just as naughty as modern day people. Teen pregnancy happened, because people married young — often as a result of pregnancy. There were murders, robberies, physical assaults, yada yada yada. Likewise in the other colonies.

It’s not like Darwin set off a crime bomb in 1857 or anything.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Oct 15, 2016 • 3:54:39am

re: #133 Anymouse

Which is precisely why Pepe is a good “dog whistle” for Neo-Nazis.

I doubt you would find many people who even know Taylor Swift has been hijacked by them either, or anime characters.

Allowing dog whistles to go unchallenged is how we got the idea that “states’ rights” doesn’t mean the same thing as “segregation.”

No I don’t challenge Twitter Nazis, as I am not on Twitter. I do challenge racist statements in real life. I haven’t heard too many people talk about Pepe the Frog where I live, but I have heard such things as “we’d be better off separated.”

I can’t be everywhere at once with my liberal super powers. I have directly called out racist statements in my little town, and in public. I will not fault the ADL for calling out racism where they see it as well.

David Duke has been accused of ripping off blonde women’s photos from Instagram without their permission for his “save Western civilization” posters and images.

Pepe’s creator should have copyrighted his cartoon frog, and gotten litigious about its indiscriminate use by anyone else. Now it’s too late. Pepe has been appropriated by the wrong people, who could give a shit about fair use or ethics.

Personally, I don’t find the character especially cute or appealing. I wish the ADL and Pepe’s creator luck in taking it back.

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Nyet  Oct 15, 2016 • 3:56:14am

So I was discussing JB again on another board and it got me thinking.
Suppose for a sec that that thing between her and Hillary happened. Something that she interpreted as intimidation because of the tone. In such a case - would H even know about the alleged rape? Suppose Bill told something Hillary - would that have been “I raped someone?” or “There’s this woman I slept with, this could become a problem?”. In which case, under all those assumptions, H would have seen JB as Bill’s one-night stand, and wouldn’t have been motivated to be warm to her.

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Alephnaught  Oct 15, 2016 • 3:59:08am

Trump supporter draws lines on a graph, calls it “analysis”.

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Nyet  Oct 15, 2016 • 4:01:49am

re: #145 Alephnaught

What the fuck is this.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Oct 15, 2016 • 4:04:58am

re: #146 Nyet

What the fuck is this.

Technical analysis applied to random polling data. It’s like doing a linear regression of your cat’s eating habits.

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BigPapa  Oct 15, 2016 • 4:08:59am

That is some beautiful Random Graph Fuckery. Exquisite!

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Nyet  Oct 15, 2016 • 4:11:59am

re: #148 BigPapa

That is some beautiful Random Graph Fuckery. Exquisite!

Palmistry for the modern age.

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Shiplord Kirel  Oct 15, 2016 • 4:15:25am

There’s been some slghtly far-fetched speculation that unknown Evan Mcmullen might actually have a chance at Utah’s 6 electoral votes. It would be pretty funny if that were good enough for second place.

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BigPapa  Oct 15, 2016 • 4:18:33am

Knee popping smileface caffeinated goodness. Working at a project today with a bigly yooge speaker system, will have blast this.

VALERIY STEPANOV, JAY STAVE, PAUL KHOLODYANSKIY - THE CHICKEN

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Odie Hugh Manatee  Oct 15, 2016 • 4:21:01am

re: #147 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Technical analysis applied to random polling data. It’s like doing a linear regression of your cat’s eating habits.

… while looking at the other end of the cat. ;)

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Single-handed sailor  Oct 15, 2016 • 4:24:34am

re: #147 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Technical analysis applied to random polling data. It’s like doing a linear regression of your cat’s eating pooping habits.

ftfy

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Shiplord Kirel  Oct 15, 2016 • 4:27:06am

re: #145 Alephnaught

Trump supporter draws lines on a graph, calls it “analysis”.

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Yikes! Army shrinks would have put me in a straitjacket if I had doodled something like that.

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Nyet  Oct 15, 2016 • 4:28:58am

re: #151 Nyet

How One 19-Year-Old Illinois Man Is Distorting National Polling Averages

This is about the poll Trump is using btw.

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Jayleia  Oct 15, 2016 • 4:33:41am

re: #156 Nyet

This is about the poll Trump is using btw.

So they’re using bullshit technical analysis to analyse a bullshit poll?

Everything is fine.

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Nyet  Oct 15, 2016 • 4:33:45am
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Nyet  Oct 15, 2016 • 4:34:01am

re: #157 Jayleia

So they’re using bullshit technical analysis to analyse a bullshit poll?

Everything is fine.

Exactly.

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Nyet  Oct 15, 2016 • 4:35:38am
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Shiplord Kirel  Oct 15, 2016 • 4:36:25am

The Trump campaign is imploding like a mega-version of the Bundy Bund at Malheur

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BigPapa  Oct 15, 2016 • 4:38:31am

re: #161 Shiplord Kirel

The Trump campaign is imploding like a mega-version of the Bundy Bund at Malheur

I’m good for mailing in a few dildos. The probably like them bigly and yooge.

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Sherlock Hound  Oct 15, 2016 • 4:42:24am

re: #154 Single-handed sailor

ftfy

But will there be a dead cat bounce?
///

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BigPapa  Oct 15, 2016 • 4:42:34am

re: #161 Shiplord Kirel

The Trump campaign is imploding like a mega-version of the Bundy Bund at Malheur

He’s going to get worse all the way until the end.

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BlackPearl  Oct 15, 2016 • 4:45:19am

re: #147 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate
I’m politicked out for a bit, but wanted to stop back in and thank Wheat for the link to your former student. I just finished her first book. I normally hate zombie stories, but this seriously kept me on the edge of my seat. She tips her hat to Octavia Butler and it really has the feel of the Parable of the Sower.

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Sherlock Hound  Oct 15, 2016 • 4:46:59am

re: #162 BigPapa

I’m good for mailing in a few dildos. The probably like them bigly and yooge.

I’m surprised no one has had Trump-branded dildos made in bulk and sent to people one “likes”. I’ve long wanted to do that—I could be very cruel that way!

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Nyet  Oct 15, 2016 • 5:01:11am

Some dkos lefties getting overly, ahem, enthusiastic over that very sketchy child rape civil case against Trump. Some cooler heads are there, too.

dailykos.com

Villanova Rhodes johanus Oct 15 * 03:11:07 AM
OK, as others downthread have been faster with —

The judge has NOT in any meaningful way “allowed it to go forward” because the case has not reached the stage at which the judge would make any assessment of it. The OD author claiming the judge is convinced “there is more than enough probable cause to move forward” apparently does not understand that “probable cause” is a criminal law concept, not a civil one.

The court issued a routine case management order in a civil case. It’s boilerplate.

The December date is NOT a hearing. It is a status conference, and reflects absolutely no judgment that the case will go forward. It is NOT “hauling Donald Trump into court” — he need not appear. Again, this is routine civil litigation practice that has absolutely nothing to do with the merits. It’s just “you filed; get on with it and don’t screw up our filing-to-disposition stats.” That’s all.

The status conference keeps getting postponed because the plaintiff’s representatives — incompetently or more likely strategically — appear not to have their act together. Withdrawing & re-filing rather than amending, failing to effect service of process, etc., etc. — as soon as they milk it for whatever political mileage they can get out of people talking about Jeffrey Epstein and Bill Clinton, it will likely be withdrawn or dismissed yet again.

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freetoken  Oct 15, 2016 • 5:06:25am

Debunking the disreality crowd:

Climate scientists published a paper debunking Ted Cruz

A new study has just appeared in the Journal of Climate which deals with an issue commonly raised by those who deny that human-caused climate change is a serious risk. […]

One contrarian argument has appeared repeatedly over the past few years, even at a hearing before the U.S. Senate Committee on Commerce held by Ted Cruz in 2015. The claim was by well-known contrarian John Christy. Christy claimed that the mid-troposphere temperatures (temperatures in approximately the middle of the atmosphere) are rising three times faster in climate models when compared with measurements. Another related claim is that there has been no statistically significant warming in the troposphere (lower part of the atmosphere) for 18 years.

[…]

This satellite claim is very popular with deniers who desperately want to sound all intelligent and everything… but as Abraham notes it doesn’t work.

Anyway, here’s the paper to which Abraham refers:

Comparing tropospheric warming in climate models and satellite data

We use updated and improved satellite retrievals of the temperature of the mid- to upper troposphere (TMT) to address key questions about the size and significance of TMT trends, agreement with model-derived TMT values, and whether models and satellite data show similar vertical profiles of warming. A recent study claimed that TMT trends over 1979 and 2015 are three times larger in climate models than in satellite data, but did not correct for the contribution TMT trends receive from stratospheric cooling. Here we show that the average ratio of modeled and observed TMT trends is sensitive to both satellite data uncertainties and to model-data differences in stratospheric cooling. When the impact of lower stratospheric cooling on TMT is accounted for, and when the most recent versions of satellite datasets are used, the previously claimed ratio of three between simulated and observed near-global TMT trends is reduced to ≈ 1.7. Next, we assess the validity of the statement that satellite data show no significant tropospheric warming over the last 18 years. This claim is not supported by our analysis: in five out of six corrected satellite TMT records, significant global-scale tropospheric warming has occurred within the last 18 years. Finally, we address long-standing concerns regarding discrepancies in modeled and observed vertical profiles of warming in the tropical atmosphere. We show that amplification of tropical warming between the lower and mid- to upper troposphere is now in close agreement in the average of 37 climate models and in one updated satellite record.

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Nyet  Oct 15, 2016 • 5:07:49am

re: #168 freetoken

You know they will only see the word “corrected”.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Oct 15, 2016 • 5:24:14am

re: #165 BlackPearl

I’m politicked out for a bit, but wanted to stop back in and thank Wheat for the link to your former student. I just finished her first book. I normally hate zombie stories, but this seriously kept me on the edge of my seat. She tips her hat to Octavia Butler and it really has the feel of the Parable of the Sower.

I’ll tell her that!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 15, 2016 • 5:46:15am

he just can’t help himself:

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 15, 2016 • 5:51:31am
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b.d.  Oct 15, 2016 • 6:05:35am

re: #171 Backwoods_Sleuth

he just can’t help himself:

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At least Trump is saying that HRC should be prosecuted before being thrown in the dungeon.

//

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Big Beautiful Door  Oct 15, 2016 • 6:09:10am

re: #89 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

i appreciate everybody’s reassuring words. i have to say, though, i remember 1968, i was a teenager then, and despite the riots and assasinations i remember a different flavor than now. i recall the despair of the murder of our heroes and the election of nixon - now the war would go on and the ‘america, love it or leave it’ crowd would reign supreme - but a number of important battles had been won and progress still had momentum

i dont believe the evils will put themselves back into pandora’s box if and when trump is defeated. the haters have been instructed that to be a good person - “politically correct” - is wrong and dangerous, and that if hillary wins it will only be a sign of the corrupt power of, ahem, “international bankers”. not for nothing was this phrase enunciated this afternoon and the time was taken to point out that carlos slim is, in fact, mexican

i dont know what’s going to happen after election day but i dont expect sweetness and light

Just remember we are on the right side of history. The haters are part of a shrinking minority. They are losing; that is why they are so shrill.

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dangerman  Oct 15, 2016 • 6:12:43am

via: politicalwire.com

here’s your problem in a nutshell:

25 percent of Americans ‘completely distrust the economic data reported by the federal government, including statistics like the unemployment rate, the number of jobs added, and the amount of consumer spending.’ Perhaps unsurprisingly, that number soars to 48% of Donald Trump supporters compared to just 5% of Hillary Clinton supporters.

and, you know, that monolith, unitary, borg-like “economy”…:

The survey also found that 62 percent of Americans believe the economy is “rigged” in favor of certain groups.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 15, 2016 • 6:16:44am
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jeffreyw  Oct 15, 2016 • 6:17:26am

Imgur


Good morning!

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dangerman  Oct 15, 2016 • 6:18:37am

re: #177 jeffreyw

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Good morning!

I am not liking this. If I was bigger thing would be different

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 15, 2016 • 6:20:37am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 15, 2016 • 6:24:14am
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FormerDirtDart  Oct 15, 2016 • 6:29:58am

Journalism…

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Dr Lizardo  Oct 15, 2016 • 6:30:44am

re: #177 jeffreyw

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Good morning!

Needs to be wrapped in a tortilla.

:p

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Alephnaught  Oct 15, 2016 • 6:35:36am

re: #181 FormerDirtDart

Journalism…

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Right, okay, so the Provisional IRA weren’t a terrorist organisation, except when they carried out operations in the Republic of Ireland?

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dangerman  Oct 15, 2016 • 6:37:45am

re: #183 Alephnaught

Right, okay, so the Provisional IRA weren’t a terrorist organisation, except when they carried out operations in the Republic of Ireland?

crossing that line / domestic would change the whole nature of the argument, and some of the focus. and that cannot be allowed

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Nyet  Oct 15, 2016 • 6:38:30am

re: #182 Dr Lizardo

Eat, don’t grab.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 15, 2016 • 6:39:56am
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jeffreyw  Oct 15, 2016 • 6:44:32am

re: #182 Dr Lizardo

Needs to be wrapped in a tortilla.

:p

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 15, 2016 • 6:47:16am
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jeffreyw  Oct 15, 2016 • 6:48:38am

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Skip Intro  Oct 15, 2016 • 6:49:54am

re: #172 Backwoods_Sleuth

So is having all those Trump spox on the payroll to make sure every CNN show turns into a WWE event, but I don’t see CNN backing down from those. BSNBC either.

NOISE = RATINGS!

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b.d.  Oct 15, 2016 • 6:50:16am

My email spam filter caught a message from the Governor of Texas in which he treats the “threat” of a Democratic takeover to that of an ISIS invasion.

You built that Greg! We’re coming for you!

They’re coming after Texas.

If you had any doubts about what Democrats have planned for you and me, Hillary Clinton’s VP pick, Tim Kaine, laid them bare during a multiday fundraising blitz across Texas. We must keep Texas red!

With a shocking 1-point lead here in the Lone Star State, Democrats are holding nothing back. In addition to the three campaign offices that Hilary Clinton’s campaign opened up in Texas earlier this year, the Democratic National Committee in Washington, D.C. has just announced the opening of their office in Houston.

Make no mistake, this move is not only intended to help Clinton win Texas in November, but help other down-ballot races as they set their eyes on taking over our state in 2018.

Whether it’s our Constitutional rights, undermining border security, Obamacare, the job-killing EPA, or ignoring the sanctity of life, President Obama and his Washington, D.C., Democrat pals continue to do whatever they can to undermine and attack Texas values.

/snip ………blah, blah, blah, blah /snip

Not only that, but I’m going to do everything in my power to stop the national Democrats’ attempts to take over our state. I believe we must do everything we can to rally Texans to FIGHT for the values and freedoms we cherish.

But for daring to take on these battles, I’m making myself a target.

Bolding NOT mine.

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dangerman  Oct 15, 2016 • 6:50:39am

it’s over

probably past the point of no return

was it charlie cook, i think declared “it’s over”?

and trump: see, its not even 11/8 and theyre saying i lost. it is rigged

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 15, 2016 • 6:50:51am

Eric is appalled…

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b.d.  Oct 15, 2016 • 6:52:08am

re: #193 Backwoods_Sleuth

Eric is appalled…

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The HRC campaign should be ashamed of that thing they didn’t do!

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dangerman  Oct 15, 2016 • 6:54:31am

All I got this morning is a lousy bowl of oatmealre: #191 b.d.

My email spam filter caught a message from the Governor of Texas in which he treats the “threat” of a Democratic takeover to that of an ISIS invasion.

You built that Greg! We’re coming for you!

Bolding NOT mine.

How dare those Dems think they have a right to campaign and win here

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FormerDirtDart  Oct 15, 2016 • 6:54:55am

re: #183 Alephnaught

Right, okay, so the Provisional IRA weren’t a terrorist organisation, except when they carried out operations in the Republic of Ireland?

In Paula Reid’s definition of terrorism, yes, the Provisional IRA are terrorists, since Ireland is a foreign country.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 15, 2016 • 6:55:14am
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freetoken  Oct 15, 2016 • 6:55:58am

So I want to make sure I have this clear: they “eye witness” Drumpfskind has called upon is a convicted criminal who ran a rent-boy operation? Correct?

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dangerman  Oct 15, 2016 • 6:56:34am

re: #193 Backwoods_Sleuth

Eric is appalled…

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Go ahead Eric. Explain exactly why it should be illegal

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 15, 2016 • 6:56:49am

Scottish tacos:

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Skip Intro  Oct 15, 2016 • 6:57:17am

re: #198 freetoken

Sez who?

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b.d.  Oct 15, 2016 • 6:57:19am

re: #195 dangerman

All I got this morning is a lousy bowl of oatmeal

How dare those Dems think they have a right to campaign and win here

If the majority of Texans vote against Abbott’s “Texas values” does that mean that they aren’t “Texas values” anymore?

Dems have a hell of a nerve!!!

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freetoken  Oct 15, 2016 • 6:57:46am

re: #201 Skip Intro

Sez who?

I don’t know. Just what I have been seeing floating around the net. Trying to run it to ground.

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Big Beautiful Door  Oct 15, 2016 • 6:58:24am

re: #198 freetoken

So I want to make sure I have this clear: they “eye witness” Drumpfskind has called upon is a convicted criminal who ran a rent-boy operation? Correct?

Yes indeedy.

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Skip Intro  Oct 15, 2016 • 6:58:27am

Joe Scalzi wrote:
I have written at length about the idea that being a straight white male is living life on the lowest difficulty setting, and if you should ever doubt that it’s the case, look at the 2016 election, in which a racist, sexist, ignorant boor of a straight white male, with no experience in public service and no policies he could personally articulate beyond “it’ll be great, believe me” went up against a woman who spent the better part of four decades in and around public service, including occupying some of the highest positions in government, and who had exhaustive, detailed policy positions on nearly every point of public interest — and was ahead of her in some polls on the day they had their first debate.

If that tape in which Trump bragged about sexual assault hadn’t hit the air, the polls might yet still be close. It literally took “grab ‘em by the pussy” to get some air between arguably the most qualified candidate ever to run for president, who is a woman, and inarguably the worst major party presidential candidate in living memory, who is a straight, white man. I cannot know that fact and not be confronted by the immense and absolutely real privilege straight white men have — and just how much better a woman has to be to compete.

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Skip Intro  Oct 15, 2016 • 6:59:03am

re: #203 freetoken

That was a lawyer joke.

Youtube Video

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b.d.  Oct 15, 2016 • 6:59:42am

re: #199 dangerman

Go ahead Eric. Explain exactly why it should be illegal

FAKE DEM CRAIGLISTS ADS SHOULD GET PEOPLE THROWN IN JAIL!!!!! PEOPLE TAKE THOSE THINGS SERIOUSLY!!!!

btw…. Don’t forget to donate to O’Keefe!

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freetoken  Oct 15, 2016 • 7:00:05am

re: #204 Big Beautiful Door

re: #206 Skip Intro

So, can someone point me to what is really going on here? Certainly there have to be sites who have already gone over this “eye witness”.

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Jay C  Oct 15, 2016 • 7:02:31am

re: #191 b.d.

I just love the sense of OMG APOCALYPSE!!! in Abbot’s note:

In addition to the three campaign offices that Hilary Clinton’s campaign opened up in Texas earlier this year, the Democratic National Committee in Washington, D.C. has just announced the opening of their office in Houston.

Yeah, right: one of the two national political parties opens an office in your state’s largest city (4th-largest in the country*) - and it’s looked on like the coming of the Red Terror?

* I’m surprised they hadn’t had one there before this - even if it IS Texas…

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dangerman  Oct 15, 2016 • 7:02:42am

re: #205 Skip Intro

i do trust somehow that in the aftermath of this campaign, the stark comparison of the enshrined behavioral examples of the two candidates will have moved that ball a long way in the right direction

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FormerDirtDart  Oct 15, 2016 • 7:03:08am

re: #203 freetoken

I don’t know. Just what I have been seeing floating around the net. Trying to run it to ground.

I think Skip’s shot may have gone over your early morning head.
I’m assuming he is referencing a Trump surrogate answering a statement earlier in the campaign that Trump was trailing in the polls. His response was:

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Skip Intro  Oct 15, 2016 • 7:05:02am

re: #208 freetoken

So, can someone point me to what is really going on here? Certainly there have to be sites who have already gone over this “eye witness”.

The eyewitness story disappeared almost as fast as it appeared once somebody bothered to look up the background of the person making it. We covered it here a couple of threads ago yesterday, but I don’t remember which one.

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dangerman  Oct 15, 2016 • 7:05:07am

re: #207 b.d.

FAKE DEM CRAIGLISTS ADS SHOULD GET PEOPLE THROWN IN JAIL!!!!! PEOPLE TAKE THOSE THINGS SERIOUSLY!!!!

btw…. Don’t forget to donate to O’Keefe!

fair enough eric. you want to lobby for that, go ahead and good luck

though as was already pointed out, the ad was never placed
wanna try again? what exactly *in this case* should be illegal?

cmon eric. you’re a smart guy. you gotta have something….

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freetoken  Oct 15, 2016 • 7:05:46am

So, I take it the summary at heavy.com still stands as respectable? See:

heavy.com

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Alephnaught  Oct 15, 2016 • 7:05:56am

re: #196 FormerDirtDart

In Paula Reid’s definition of terrorism, yes, the Provisional IRA are terrorists, since Ireland is a foreign country.

Except that the Troubles-era Provisional IRA largely operated out of Northern Ireland, which is a part of the United Kingdom. Therefore, by Paula Reid’s definition, acts such as the Guilford and Birmingham pub bombings, and the bombing aimed at the UK government in 1984, are not acts of terrorism.

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dangerman  Oct 15, 2016 • 7:06:41am

re: #209 Jay C

I just love the sense of OMG APOCALYPSE!!! in Abbot’s note:

Yeah, right: one of the two national political parties opens an office on your state’s largest city (4th-largest in the country*) - and it’s looking on like the coming of the Red Terror?

* I’m surprised they hadn’t had one there before this - even if it IS Texas…

this this and this

and more than just the red terror (!?!)

the indignation of “how could they even?”

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 15, 2016 • 7:07:46am
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FormerDirtDart  Oct 15, 2016 • 7:08:01am

re: #208 freetoken

So, can someone point me to what is really going on here? Certainly there have to be sites who have already gone over this “eye witness”.

Trump Campaign Produces Not Very Credible “Witness” to Rebut Assault Claim

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dangerman  Oct 15, 2016 • 7:08:04am

re: #212 Skip Intro

The eyewitness story disappeared almost as fast as it appeared once somebody bothered to look up the background of the person making it. We covered it here a couple of threads ago yesterday, but I don’t remember which one.

this guy and the red sweater guy are going to turn out to be the same person

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dangerman  Oct 15, 2016 • 7:10:38am

re: #215 Alephnaught

Except that the Troubles-era Provisional IRA largely operated out of Northern Ireland, which is a part of the United Kingdom. Therefore, by Paula Reid’s definition, acts such as the Guilford and Birmingham pub bombings, and the bombing aimed at the UK government in 1984, are not acts of terrorism.

domestic terrorism in another country is still foreign terrorism to us because its a foreign country to the U.S. remember, the world revolves around U.S.

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dangerman  Oct 15, 2016 • 7:11:30am

re: #217 Backwoods_Sleuth

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ill intimidate them up to the fullest extent of the law

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freetoken  Oct 15, 2016 • 7:12:10am

re: #218 FormerDirtDart

thx.

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FormerDirtDart  Oct 15, 2016 • 7:12:15am

re: #215 Alephnaught

Except that the Troubles-era Provisional IRA largely operated out of Northern Ireland, which is a part of the United Kingdom. Therefore, by Paula Reid’s definition, acts such as the Guilford and Birmingham pub bombings, and the bombing aimed at the UK government in 1984, are not acts of terrorism.

This is about US Law, so, the United Kingdom, Northern Ireland, Ireland, are all foreign countries. “Domestic” is the US

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FormerDirtDart  Oct 15, 2016 • 7:13:21am

re: #220 dangerman

domestic terrorism in another country is still foreign terrorism to us because its a foreign country to the U.S. remember, the world revolves around U.S.

Well, US Law, which this is about, revolves around the US. As it should.

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Alephnaught  Oct 15, 2016 • 7:17:44am

re: #220 dangerman

domestic terrorism in another country is still foreign terrorism to us because its a foreign country to the U.S. remember, the world revolves around U.S.

Ah, sorry, didn’t fully understand the distinction there. ////

The thing is, where does this leave the status of the US equivalent of, say, the Bader-Meinhoff Gang? Obvious example: the Weathermen. Are they terrorists in Paula Reid’s definition?

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sagehen  Oct 15, 2016 • 7:19:53am

SpaceX Look Up

stay til the end; the last line is the kicker.

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freetoken  Oct 15, 2016 • 7:21:59am

So, the next “debate” is in 4 days. Anyone yet offer an idea of what Drumpfskind will do when on stage?

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dangerman  Oct 15, 2016 • 7:23:41am

re: #224 FormerDirtDart

Well, US Law, which this is about, revolves around the US. As it should.

yeah. i muddled my sarcasm
i was going for something slightly different than the law specifically

more like not mattering what some other country might call domestic terrorism there, we cant legitimize the concept at all else it would change the discussion and focus here

we cannot go from only “others” coming in and committing mayhem to it could be our own citizens. that scares some people and so it cannot be allowed to happen

so domestic terrorism in country x must be pretzel logic labeled “foreign” or else it could happen here

muddy enough for you? i’m barely through coffee cup #1

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FormerDirtDart  Oct 15, 2016 • 7:25:32am

re: #228 dangerman

I just started my first cup, haven’t been sleeping well, easily aggravated…

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Big Beautiful Door  Oct 15, 2016 • 7:27:03am

re: #227 freetoken

So, the next “debate” is in 4 days. Anyone yet offer an idea of what Drumpfskind will do when on stage?

If he’s smart, he’ll do what he did in the second debate. Stick to his talking points and attack the Clinton/Obama Administration.

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dangerman  Oct 15, 2016 • 7:27:37am

re: #227 freetoken

So, the next “debate” is in 4 days. Anyone yet offer an idea of what Drumpfskind will do when on stage?

i’m guessing mostly more of the same. though he does keep managing to find and stumble through new doors to places a week prior no one would ever have expected we had to go

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dangerman  Oct 15, 2016 • 7:29:30am

re: #229 FormerDirtDart

I just started my first cup, haven’t been sleeping well, easily aggravated…

no worries.
you were being accurate and on topic
i was drifting and being metaphorical, badly

on to new adventures!

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freetoken  Oct 15, 2016 • 7:30:48am

Bit of Japanese culture: the word “gaikokujin” (外国人)means litterally “outside country person”. So when I was in Japan I was a gaikokujin (which is the proper and polite word, the impolite is “gaijin” which is a word far too many gaikokujin use which they ought not if they want to sound intelligent. You will never hear an NHK talking head say “gaijin”.)

Anyway, I once tried to use that word here in the US, to a Japanese person (an instructor), saying that in the US they would in fact be the “gaikokujin”. Nope, I was instructed. Japanese are not “gaikokujin”. Even when they are in a different country.

Funny how we humans stick with our “in” and “out” labels.

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sagehen  Oct 15, 2016 • 7:34:59am

re: #225 Alephnaught

Ah, sorry, didn’t fully understand the distinction there. ////

The thing is, where does this leave the status of the US equivalent of, say, the Bader-Meinhoff Gang? Obvious example: the Weathermen. Are they terrorists in Paula Reid’s definition?

Sarah Palin certainly considered them to be terrorists; that was a regular part of her stump speech.

Republicans accept that left-wing domestic terrorism is terrorism. They’re more conflicted about calling right-wing domestic terrorism terrorism. When pressed, most will grudgingly admit that Timothy McVeigh was a terrorist; the Bundy Bunch not so much. And it’s only on the left that people will call the KKK terrorist.

Remember the huge outcry when DoJ had their domestic terrorism report a few years back, a project initiated during the Bush admin that was ready for publication early in Obama’s first term?

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FormerDirtDart  Oct 15, 2016 • 7:35:03am

re: #225 Alephnaught

Ah, sorry, didn’t fully understand the distinction there. ////

The thing is, where does this leave the status of the US equivalent of, say, the Bader-Meinhoff Gang? Obvious example: the Weathermen. Are they terrorists in Paula Reid’s definition?

The distinction here is that US Law only concerns action occurring with the borders of US territory, and only in some very limited situations against US citizens & ofederal organizations outside the US.
If the Bader Meinhoff Gang committed an action outside the US it is not liable under US Law. Now, if BMG personel are in the US, and they are charged in an other country, which we have extradition agreements with, and their charges are covered by a similar law in the US, they can be apprehended and held for extradition to said foegeign country.

This ties in with why President Obama vetoed the Justice Against Sponsors of Terrorism Act

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Alephnaught  Oct 15, 2016 • 7:36:31am

re: #227 freetoken

So, the next “debate” is in 4 days. Anyone yet offer an idea of what Drumpfskind will do when on stage?

Well, if he’s got to keep to his lectern, and can’t loom menacingly behind Clinton, I wouldn’t be surprised if he does does a lot of menacing looks in Hillary’s direction in the style of Ron Mael of Sparks. (He’s the one with the, em, moustache.)

SPARKS THIS TOWN AINT BIG ENOUGH FOR THE BOTH OF US TOTP

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calochortus  Oct 15, 2016 • 7:45:55am

re: #233 freetoken

Bit of Japanese culture: the word “gaikokujin” (外国人)means litterally “outside country person”. So when I was in Japan I was a gaikokujin (which is the proper and polite word, the impolite is “gaijin” which is a word far too many gaikokujin use which they ought not if they want to sound intelligent. You will never hear an NHK talking head say “gaijin”.)

Anyway, I once tried to use that word here in the US, to a Japanese person (an instructor), saying that in the US they would in fact be the “gaikokujin”. Nope, I was instructed. Japanese are not “gaikokujin”. Even when they are in a different country.

Funny how we humans stick with our “in” and “out” labels.

I’m pretty sure we heard a Japanese waitress refer to “gaijin” customers in a Japanese restaurant in Denver once. But the saki was good, so who cares…

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darthstar  Oct 15, 2016 • 7:46:01am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 15, 2016 • 7:48:06am

One of my sisters on FB:

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Birth Control Works  Oct 15, 2016 • 8:03:42am
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PhillyPretzel  Oct 15, 2016 • 8:06:24am

re: #240 Birth Control Works

Another reason for me to split my ticket.

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Schroedinger's Dog  Oct 15, 2016 • 8:11:51am

The Democrats need to run ads tying every Republican candidate to Trump like a millstone around their necks.

To do otherwise is to commit gross political malpractice.

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ninja cat  Oct 15, 2016 • 8:12:33am

re: #217 Backwoods_Sleuth

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“People who can’t speak American”. Well I hope he includes himself then.

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Birth Control Works  Oct 15, 2016 • 8:14:25am

re: #243 ninja cat

“People who can’t speak American”. Well I hope he includes himself then.

I’ve noticed Trump isn’t well spoken. He get’s tenses and other simple grammar wrong very often.

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Le Lapin Tueur  Oct 15, 2016 • 8:16:04am

re: #213 dangerman

cmon eric. you’re a smart guy. you gotta have something….

Bwa ha ha ha ha <gasp> ha ha ha ha.

You’re joking, right? Right?

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Big Beautiful Door  Oct 15, 2016 • 8:16:09am

re: #242 Schroedinger’s Dog

The Democrats need to run ads tying every Republican candidate to Trump like a millstone around their necks.

To do otherwise is to commit gross political malpractice.

Yep, run ads featuring Trump comments to Billy Bush nationwide.

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Birth Control Works  Oct 15, 2016 • 8:16:32am
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PhillyPretzel  Oct 15, 2016 • 8:16:54am

re: #217 Backwoods_Sleuth

re: #243 ninja cat

Hmm. Maybe I should use a British accent at the polls. That will drive them nuts.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 15, 2016 • 8:16:55am
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dangerman  Oct 15, 2016 • 8:17:46am

re: #234 sagehen


Republicans accept that left-wing domestic terrorism is terrorism. They’re more conflicted about calling right-wing domestic terrorism terrorism. When pressed, most will grudgingly admit that Timothy McVeigh was a terrorist; the Bundy Bunch not so much. And it’s only on the left that people will call the KKK terrorist….

if someone does or intends to do mayhem, part of the problem is identifying the “why” or the cause. some things are evident, some are not. and none have to necessarily be causative.

religious affiliation, skin color, country of origin, culture, political cause, voter registration party, etc. may or may not have anything to do with their motivation

some of us recognize and repeat this every time something happens

a priori defining things as off the table is a big mistake

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Big Beautiful Door  Oct 15, 2016 • 8:18:35am

re: #249 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Notice they want to talk about anything other than that Trump sexually assaults women.

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dangerman  Oct 15, 2016 • 8:20:21am

re: #239 Backwoods_Sleuth

i applaud the sentiment. i think a problem in this case is with “…most people would want to be made aware of things like that.”

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Oct 15, 2016 • 8:22:20am

re: #151 Nyet

His name is Carlton.,

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dangerman  Oct 15, 2016 • 8:22:28am

re: #245 Le Lapin Tueur

Bwa ha ha ha ha <gasp> ha ha ha ha.

You’re joking, right? Right?

was i too subtle?

hey - he made the statement. i just asked, “ok, how?”

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Birth Control Works  Oct 15, 2016 • 8:24:30am

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FormerDirtDart  Oct 15, 2016 • 8:26:35am
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dangerman  Oct 15, 2016 • 8:26:47am

re: #247 Birth Control Works

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Sanger was committed to ensuring every woman could control her own life. But like most visionaries, she was flawed:

Sanger was committed to ensuring every woman could control her own life. ButAnd like most visionaries, she was flawed

// pet peeve
if replacing “but” with “and” changes the compound statement, rethink the statement. “but” negates what you just said.

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Birth Control Works  Oct 15, 2016 • 8:28:11am
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Great White Snark  Oct 15, 2016 • 8:28:17am

re: #241 PhillyPretzel
re: #240 Birth Control Works

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dangerman  Oct 15, 2016 • 8:29:56am

re: #248 PhillyPretzel

Hmm. Maybe I should use a British accent at the polls. That will drive them nuts.

florida ballots come in Creole (and Spanish)

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freetoken  Oct 15, 2016 • 8:31:30am

re: #256 FormerDirtDart

Wait…. Forbes is “advanced English” ??

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dangerman  Oct 15, 2016 • 8:32:32am

re: #251 Big Beautiful Door

Notice they want to talk about anything other than that Trump sexually assaults women.

winner winner

to recap:

women are human

trump is a pig
if you support a pig you are a pig

*any* logic that excuses, acknowledges but dismisses, explains…whatever -you are just a pig explaining that there are lots of other pigs in the world

saying there are other pigs doesnt make him not a pig
nor does it make his being a pig ok

all these pretzel logic arguments and justifications and distractions are confirming that he is in fact a pig

(*apologies to the hairy, pot bellied, swine, sigh 4 legged ones)

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Great White Snark  Oct 15, 2016 • 8:33:16am

re: #260 dangerman

florida ballots come in Creole (and Spanish)

“Boris” accent as in Boris and Natasha. Just say you are there to place Putins vote for Trump.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Oct 15, 2016 • 8:35:22am

re: #233 freetoken

Bit of Japanese culture: the word “gaikokujin” (外国人)means litterally “outside country person”. So when I was in Japan I was a gaikokujin (which is the proper and polite word, the impolite is “gaijin” which is a word far too many gaikokujin use which they ought not if they want to sound intelligent. You will never hear an NHK talking head say “gaijin”.)

Anyway, I once tried to use that word here in the US, to a Japanese person (an instructor), saying that in the US they would in fact be the “gaikokujin”. Nope, I was instructed. Japanese are not “gaikokujin”. Even when they are in a different country.

Funny how we humans stick with our “in” and “out” labels.

The same characters (外国人) in Mandarin are pronounced “waiguoren,” with the same meaning. Chinese agree with the Japanese (how rare!) in that Chinese living abroad are not referred to as waiguoren, but when they return they are called “haigui” (sea turtles).

The mandarin equivalent of gaijin is 洋鬼子 “yangguizi” — foreign devil, especially referring to Westerners — or just “guizi” — foreign invaders. I was referred to as a yangguizi only once (that I know of), by a friend of a student making some reference to me online. He didn’t know I could read some Chinese, and I told him in English that I was offended and he needed to apologize. He did.

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FormerDirtDart  Oct 15, 2016 • 8:37:54am

re: #261 freetoken

Wait…. Forbes is “advanced English” ??

I’m guessing anything past “Li’l Abner” is advanced for his racist ass

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freetoken  Oct 15, 2016 • 8:38:49am

Top story at forbes.com, that is attributed to their staff and not a contributor:

forbes.com

Reading test on the first half of the article, scored here: readability-score.com

Flesch-Kincaid Grade Level 8.4
Average Grade Level 11.3

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Timothy Watson  Oct 15, 2016 • 8:41:47am

re: #248 PhillyPretzel

Hmm. Maybe I should use a British accent at the polls. That will drive them nuts.

“Cheerio, good day Gov’na.”

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Great White Snark  Oct 15, 2016 • 8:47:31am

re: #226 sagehen

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stay til the end; the last line is the kicker.

That was really good. I was just a little suspicious when I saw the angle of the Milky Way.

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freetoken  Oct 15, 2016 • 8:47:44am

Getting behind the scare stories of the so-called invasion of Europe lies the real story that is just not present in the current American public discussion:

Africa’s population boom fuels ‘unstoppable’ migration to Europe

[…] As long as population growth in African countries outstrips their ability to educate, house and employ their citizens, large numbers of people will continue to brave the deserts and seas to escape.

“You can’t resolve this by just paying money,” said Owoeye Olumide, a demographer at Bowen university in southwest Nigeria, one of the world’s most densely populated regions.

“There are going to be too many people … the development you need will not be possible. You have to lower fertility rates and bring down population (by educating and empowering women).”

[…]

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Barefoot Grin  Oct 15, 2016 • 8:48:59am

re: #264 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

The same characters (外国人) in Mandarin are pronounced “waiguoren,” with the same meaning. Chinese agree with the Japanese (how rare!) in that Chinese living abroad are not referred to as waiguoren, but when they return they are called “haigui” (sea turtles).

The mandarin equivalent of gaijin is 洋鬼子 “yangguizi” — foreign devil, especially referring to Westerners — or just “guizi” — foreign invaders. I was referred to as a yangguizi only once (that I know of), by a friend of a student making some reference to me online. He didn’t know I could read some Chinese, and I told him in English that I was offended and he needed to apologize. He did.

There is a special category for other Asians, particularly the formerly colonized (Taiwanese, Koreans, and Chinese): sangokujin (三国人). It’s not used often, as far as I know, but Tokyo Governor/blowhard Ishihara Shintaro made it famous a few years ago when he said that in the event of a natural disaster, the self-defense forces should be on the lookout for subversive sangokujin. Not only was it offensive, but in the last great Tokyo disaster of 1923, probably 5000 Koreans (and many Japanese communists) were targeted and killed by vigilante groups and police over rumors that they were looting and poisoning wells.

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dangerman  Oct 15, 2016 • 8:49:24am

apropos of “nothing”

in trumps magical thinking, he somehow didn’t think his past would catch up with him.

forgetting self-reflection, that stunning lack of strategic foresight *alone* makes him not fit for the job

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Oct 15, 2016 • 8:52:34am

re: #269 freetoken

And by defeating the Anti-Contraception view of many preachers down there.

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freetoken  Oct 15, 2016 • 8:52:44am

ABC News decides to pump up the scare:

7 Ways Russia Is Telling People to Prepare for War

[…]

As the confrontation between the United and Russia has worsened over Syria, and amid speculation Washington might launch airstrikes against Syrian government forces, Russian state-controlled media has gone into high gear, asking Russians whether they are prepared for nuclear war.

“If that should one day happen, each of you must know where the nearest bomb shelter is,” a report on the state-controlled network, NTV, noted, before taking viewers on a tour of a nuclear bunker in Moscow.

[…]

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jaunte  Oct 15, 2016 • 8:53:10am

re: #256 FormerDirtDart

Sexist/racist double play.

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BeachDem  Oct 15, 2016 • 8:53:48am

re: #193 Backwoods_Sleuth

Eric is appalled…

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All I can say is, those Trumps sure do get up and at ‘em early in the morning. Other than that, I got nothing. (except to say I think real horse race in this election is to determine which of the two elder Trump sons is the dumbest and most obnoxious. It’s neck and neck right now, but I believe Eric is pulling ahead.)

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Oct 15, 2016 • 8:53:54am

re: #67 Blind Frog Belly White

Absolutely. When Sen. Warner from Virginia came out and said that Bork’s nomination and the entire process “Conduct unbecoming a President” it was all over.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Oct 15, 2016 • 9:00:24am

re: #270 Barefoot Grin

There is a special category for other Asians, particularly the formerly colonized (Taiwanese, Koreans, and Chinese): sangokujin (三国人). It’s not used often, as far as I know, but Tokyo Governor/blowhard Ishihara Shintaro made it famous a few years ago when he said that in the event of a natural disaster, the self-defense forces should be on the lookout for subversive sangokujin. Not only was it offensive, but in the last great Tokyo disaster of 1923, probably 5000 Koreans (and many Japanese communists) were targeted and killed by vigilante groups and police over rumors that they were looting and poisoning wells.

There is still hatred of the Japanese and Japan here in China, mostly because the textbooks describing the occupation and the many TV serials dramatizing it depict the Japanese as “guizi” (foreign devils) and the Chinese, especially the Communists, as noble patriots protecting their great nation. The Japanese soldiers and officers are invariably portrayed as stupid, conniving, and/or heartless, and for some reason they are terrible shots with guns and run right into Chinese fire.

The government naturally encourages this kind of slant, because China wants wide control of the South and East China Seas. Suggesting that Japan is still the enemy whips up popular support for any military ventures.

Some of my students say they hate the Japan and the Japanese, but when I ask why, they can only cite the occupation. I usually point out that the government and people who were involved in that war are long dead, so hating them now is pointless. Not sure if changes their minds, though.

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stpaulbear  Oct 15, 2016 • 9:02:25am

re: #4 goddamnedfrank

Can someone either follow or unfollow me right away because having 1488 followers makes me really fucking uncomfortable.

I just looked at my mortgage statement and the current balance on my mortgage is $88,888.82. Really.

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Barefoot Grin  Oct 15, 2016 • 9:05:04am

re: #277 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

There is still hatred of the Japanese and Japan here in China, mostly because the textbooks describing the occupation and the many TV serials dramatizing it depict the Japanese as “guizi” (foreign devils) and the Chinese, especially the Communists, as noble patriots protecting their great nation. The Japanese soldiers and officers are invariably portrayed as stupid, conniving, and/or or heartless, and for some reason they are terrible shots with guns and run right into Chinese fire.

The government naturally encourages this kind of slant, because China wants wide control of the South and East China Seas. Suggesting that Japan is still the enemy whips up popular support for any military ventures.

Some of my students say they hate the Japan and the Japanese, but when I ask why, they can only cite the occupation. I usually point out that the government and people who were involved in that war are long dead, so hating them now is pointless. Not sure if changes their minds, though.

Interesting times we’re living in. From what I understand the greatest number of tourists to Japan far and away are Chinese. I wonder the extent to which they hold simultaneously hatred, contempt, and admiration (and I mean that on all sides). I’ve heard much the same about South Koreans and Japanese: they have no love for each other’s countries (and there was a recent attack on a Korean family in Japan), but they do like each other’s cuisine, pop culture, etc.

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Ace-o-aces  Oct 15, 2016 • 9:05:35am
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Great White Snark  Oct 15, 2016 • 9:05:47am

I see William is in, not sure of how many others here now are photography and camera hounds. Yesterday I got a close look at this Arriflex camera thanks to the good folks at Clairemont Camera. Also saw 2 Emmys in their camera prep room. The cam is for super 16mm film. In the pics just the bare bones of the camera and the mounting plate on the bottom. No film mage, no lens. What surprised me was the extensive electronics and the sheer weight of the thing. It’s a functional design art beauty. And suddenly in high demand again. Heh, just realized I didn’t bother with a pic of an Emmy. Fun times to get to meet these folks and check out the gear.

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Barefoot Grin  Oct 15, 2016 • 9:06:41am

Off to the weekend soccer-balling with sons that costs me so much.

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Tigger2  Oct 15, 2016 • 9:07:53am

I agree with this so much. But I think it goes farther than just the Politicians, It also applies to some of the Evangelical leaders and a lot of their followers.

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Stanley Sea  Oct 15, 2016 • 9:09:52am

re: #214 freetoken

So, I take it the summary at heavy.com still stands as respectable? See:

heavy.com

Yes.

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dangerman  Oct 15, 2016 • 9:12:01am

re: #67 Blind Frog Belly White

politics (in america) is no longer is a clash of value systems, each of which is in some way valid; a competition between basically well-intentioned people who see the world differently

it has become, not even a conflict of interests, but instead a degenerative, brutal struggle for office in which one side with righteous indignation believes only the other is and only can be capable of behaving despicably

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jaunte  Oct 15, 2016 • 9:13:12am

Also, illegal.

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jaunte  Oct 15, 2016 • 9:13:49am

“Speak American!!!”

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dangerman  Oct 15, 2016 • 9:13:49am

re: #280 Ace-o-aces

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I guess it is now fine for men to use women’s bathrooms but not for the CEO of Miss Universe to walk into a woman’s dressing room

—Wait, are you claiming @realDonaldTrump is transgender?

WORSE: are you admitting he did it?

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darthstar  Oct 15, 2016 • 9:14:23am

Mornin’ everyone. Have a good day.

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ObserverArt  Oct 15, 2016 • 9:15:36am

re: #217 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Too many embarrassing Ohioians this year. Sigh.

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Teukka  Oct 15, 2016 • 9:15:54am

re: #281 Great White Snark

I see William is in, not sure of how many others here now are photography and camera hounds. Yesterday I got a close look at this Arriflex camera thanks to the good folks at Clairemont Camera. Also saw 2 Emmys in their camera prep room. The cam is for super 16mm film. In the pics just the bare bones of the camera and the mounting plate on the bottom. No film mage, no lens. What surprised me was the extensive electronics and the sheer weight of the thing. It’s a functional design art beauty. And suddenly in high demand again. Heh, just realized I didn’t bother with a pic of an Emmy. Fun times to get to meet these folks and check out the gear.

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That’s for classic film, not digital video? O.O

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dangerman  Oct 15, 2016 • 9:16:03am

re: #283 Tigger2

I agree with this so much.

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..cause it’s about retaining power over people and influence in government

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dangerman  Oct 15, 2016 • 9:17:32am

re: #286 jaunte

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Also, illegal.

again, Florida: Creole

and “intimidation only up to the legal limit”

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unproven innocence  Oct 15, 2016 • 9:20:22am

re: #85 Dave In Austin

About the advice on intimidation at polling places, step2: “Take a picture” seems flawed. For as long as I can remember, cameras (and more recently, cell phones) have been explicitly forbidden inside polling locations, so it is unlikely that I (or anyone) would have one available on our way to vote.

Of course if you were to observe intimidation, or suspect such, you may decide to leave the que, and later return with a camera/smartphone, in anticipation of trouble, and then leave the que yet again before entering. But upon entering the que a 3rd time, you could be looking rather suspicious yourself.

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Skip Intro  Oct 15, 2016 • 9:25:31am

Someone asked about Trump’s “witness” a ways back. This is the best explanation I have found.

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Skip Intro  Oct 15, 2016 • 9:26:48am

The GOP candidate for President.

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Schweppes7  Oct 15, 2016 • 9:28:28am

Excellent. I just keep hoping things get just a little bit more fractured and Trump makes a grand proclamation that the Democrats and Republicans are both corrupt and his supporters should vote for him and ONLY him, ignoring everyone down ballot…..
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darthstar  Oct 15, 2016 • 9:29:42am

Quick drive by humor…just saw this on facebook:

How Donald Trump would answer the question: What is 2+2.

“I have to say a lot of people have been asking this question.
No, really.
A lot of people come up to me and they ask me.
They say, ‘What’s 2+2’?
And I tell them look, we know what 2+2 is.

We’ve had almost eight years of the worst kind of math you can imagine.
Oh my God, I can’t believe it.

Addition and subtraction of the 1s the 2s and the 3s.
It’s terrible.
It’s just terrible.

Look, if you want to know what 2+2 is, do you want to know what 2+2 is?
I’ll tell you.

First of all the number 2, by the way, I love the number 2.
It’s probably my favorite number, no it is my favorite number.
You know what, it’s probably more like the number two but with a lot of zeros behind it.
A lot.

If I’m being honest, I mean, if I’m being honest.
I like a lot of zeros.

Except for Marco Rubio, now he’s a zero that I don’t like.
Though, I probably shouldn’t say that.
He’s a nice guy but he’s like, ‘10101000101,’ on and on, like that.
He’s like a computer!
You know what I mean?
He’s like a computer.
I don’t know.
I mean, you know.

So, we have all these numbers, and we can add them and subtract them and add them.
TIMES them even.
Did you know that?

We can times them OR divide them, they don’t tell you that, and I’ll tell you, no one is better at the order of operations than me.
You wouldn’t believe it.

So, we’re gonna be the best on 2+2, believe me.”

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ObserverArt  Oct 15, 2016 • 9:29:48am

re: #236 Alephnaught

Well, if he’s got to keep to his lectern, and can’t loom menacingly behind Clinton, I wouldn’t be surprised if he does does a lot of menacing looks in Hillary’s direction in the style of Ron Mael of Sparks. (He’s the one with the, em, moustache.)

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Nothing like a little Sparks cabaret on a Saturday morning.

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wrenchwench  Oct 15, 2016 • 9:31:28am

re: #298 darthstar

Quick drive by humor…just saw this on facebook:

Aren’t you putting an awful lot of focus on Donald Trump?

/

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jaunte  Oct 15, 2016 • 9:32:30am
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Great White Snark  Oct 15, 2016 • 9:34:30am

re: #291 Teukka

Yes, “Super 16mm”. Only has holes on one side for the ratchet to move the film through for a nice wide aspect ratio. If I get to borrow that along with it’s small crew I will use Kodak 240 daylight balanced. *crosses fingers*

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darthstar  Oct 15, 2016 • 9:34:37am

re: #300 wrenchwench

Aren’t you putting an awful lot of focus on Donald Trump?

/

Yeah, I wanted to spend the day talking about his skills in the area of sexual predation, but I thought this was something I could do and move on and not get my blood pressure up for no good reason.

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darthstar  Oct 15, 2016 • 9:35:14am

Okay…got company coming over in five minutes and I’m still naked. Gotta run.

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wrenchwench  Oct 15, 2016 • 9:36:07am

re: #303 darthstar

Yeah, I wanted to spend the day talking about his skills in the area of sexual predation, but I thought this was something I could do and move on and not get my blood pressure up for no good reason.

Look at me, I’m already into post-election banter, and I haven’t even voted yet! Next week, I plan to.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 15, 2016 • 9:39:10am

re: #297 Schweppes7

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Excellent. I just keep hoping things get just a little bit more fractured and Trump makes a grand proclamation that the Democrats and Republicans are both corrupt and his supporters should vote for him and ONLY him, ignoring everyone down ballot…..

Matt Borges’s wife refused to allow him to put a Trump sign in their yard:
cincinnati.com

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Big Beautiful Door  Oct 15, 2016 • 9:39:41am

re: #278 stpaulbear

I just looked at my mortgage statement and the current balance on my mortgage is $88,888.82. Really.

Borrow another six cents.

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Great White Snark  Oct 15, 2016 • 9:40:10am

re: #296 Skip Intro

From the Rolling Stone article that image came from

Republican voters ate it up and spent the whole of last primary season howling for blood as Trump shredded one party-approved hack after another. By the time the other 16 candidates finished their mass-suicide-squad routine, a tail-chasing, sewer-mouthed septuagenarian New Yorker was accepting the nomination of the Family Values Party.

Insert dynamite gif here…

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Varek Raith  Oct 15, 2016 • 9:41:01am

Good afternoon.

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dangerman  Oct 15, 2016 • 9:41:42am

re: #298 darthstar

Quick drive by humor…just saw this on facebook:

eerily spot on

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 15, 2016 • 9:42:47am
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dangerman  Oct 15, 2016 • 9:43:11am

re: #304 darthstar

Okay…got company coming over in five minutes and I’m still naked. Gotta run.

i usually put on shorts and sneakers first

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 15, 2016 • 9:44:28am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 15, 2016 • 9:45:20am

complaining that Hillary gets debate questions in advance:

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 15, 2016 • 9:46:02am
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dangerman  Oct 15, 2016 • 9:46:16am

seen sometime earlier on the dkos

The whole Trump’s campaign was based on the premise that he, with no qualification otherwise, still deserves the job because of him being

1)a successful businessman and
2) a famous Reality TV playboy celebrity.

“Business success” was sunk with a single line from the tax file.

Then the p***y-grabbing playboy celeb part blew up like a gunpowder magazine.

What’s left? The hope that Clinton will be killed by a tornado-blown house in the next two weeks?

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Varek Raith  Oct 15, 2016 • 9:46:26am

re: #314 Backwoods_Sleuth

complaining that Hillary gets debate questions in advance:

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As if it mattered.
He’d still fuck it up bigly.

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freetoken  Oct 15, 2016 • 9:46:49am

re: #311 Backwoods_Sleuth

So WTF is wrong with Milwaukee county that they keep this guy around?

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Great White Snark  Oct 15, 2016 • 9:46:52am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 15, 2016 • 9:47:25am

re: #317 Varek Raith

As if it mattered.
He’d still fuck it up bigly.

and he wouldn’t answer the questions anyway.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 15, 2016 • 9:49:16am

donald suggesting a drug test before the next debate…

oh, I don’t think he wants to open up THAT can o’worms.

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dangerman  Oct 15, 2016 • 9:49:51am

re: #317 Varek Raith

As if it mattered.
He’d still fuck it up bigly.

clinton gets the questions in advance. scans them and says, ah, ok

trump gets the questions in advance, give them to his staff and says figure this out, write out the response and tell me what to say. no, dont explain it to me, i dont care what it means, just give me the answers

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wrenchwench  Oct 15, 2016 • 9:50:06am

re: #319 Great White Snark

Manx at # re: #177

jeffreyw

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Good morning!

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No Country For Old Haters  Oct 15, 2016 • 9:50:54am

re: #315 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 15, 2016 • 9:50:55am
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Romantic Heretic  Oct 15, 2016 • 9:52:18am

re: #217 Backwoods_Sleuth

If that ever happens to me here in Canada someone will be missing his testicles.

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No Country For Old Haters  Oct 15, 2016 • 9:54:08am

re: #325 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Stanley Sea  Oct 15, 2016 • 9:54:16am
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ObserverArt  Oct 15, 2016 • 9:55:14am

re: #261 freetoken

Wait…. Forbes is “advanced English” ??

Sure is for all of those Asian “immigrants!” /

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lawhawk  Oct 15, 2016 • 9:56:04am

Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area. Trump’s at it again - pushing claims that the election is rigged, the media is out to get him, all while he hasn’t actually rebutted his accusers claims. Doesn’t matter to his supporters though.

Trump knows his supporters don’t care about the details. They don’t care that Trump’s getting his news from conspiracy sites or that Trump’s relying on conspiracy nuts at Infowars or Jim Hoft at Gateway Pundit to claim Trump’s accusers aren’t telling the truth - even though they’re all corroborating what Trump admits to have done - groping and grabbing women because he was privileged to do it.

This is what the GOP doesn’t get. Or doesn’t care about. They’ve enabled Trump and they’re stoking the extremism. Trump is laying the groundwork for claiming the election outcome is illegitimate, and we’ve got US Senator Jeff Sessions claiming that this is indeed the case.

This is a whole new level of danger imposed on the nation and the nation’s history of safe and peaceful transfers of power from one administration to the next. These people are attacking the very institutions of government and representative democracy.

We have Oathkeepers who are pushing extremism like Sheriff Clark and threatening violence if they don’t get their way. We have GOPers threatening (and actually) intimidating political opponents across the nation - such as the case where an armed right winger was standing outside a Democrat’s political office. We have Trump urging his extremist base to go and challenge people at the polls on whether they’re entitled to vote.

This is thuggism at its base, and it’s what decades of GOP extremism has wrought. Sure, the GOP hasn’t been explicit about this - that’s what differentiates Trump from prior standard bearers. Trump drops all pretense of civility and hushed tones. He’s all about blunt action. Trump’s difference is on style - the substance was always there.

That’s why ultimately Trump succeeded as the nominee of the GOP. He spoke to the core voters in a way everyone else wasn’t.

That’s also why the GOP can’t recover from this on their own. They’ve compromised their very moral and ethical base to go all in with the immoral and unethical Trump and the irrational hate and fear and bigotry that Trump espouses. Their silence in the face of all the hate and bigotry was assent. They ultimately condoned him, up until the point where 50% of the electorate was attacked (women). That’s when a few decided this was a bridge too far. Except even then, it wasn’t. They still wont repudiate Trump and what he stands for because they ultimately agree with him on the policies.

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No Country For Old Haters  Oct 15, 2016 • 9:57:19am

re: #328 Stanley Sea

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FormerDirtDart  Oct 15, 2016 • 9:58:02am
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Romantic Heretic  Oct 15, 2016 • 9:58:30am

re: #225 Alephnaught

I’m fond of Peter Ustinov’s observation, “Terrorism is the war of the poor. War is the terrorism of the rich.”

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Great White Snark  Oct 15, 2016 • 9:58:57am

re: #323 wrenchwench

Thanks. I now see I missed a number of good posts before I finally got up. Caturday Brunch here.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 15, 2016 • 9:59:15am

re: #332 FormerDirtDart

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 15, 2016 • 10:01:09am
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dangerman  Oct 15, 2016 • 10:01:33am

re: #334 Great White Snark

Thanks. I now see I missed a number of good posts before I finally got up. Caturday Brunch here.

[Embedded content]

sigh… if i only had thumbs

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Big Beautiful Door  Oct 15, 2016 • 10:01:34am

Some good news, the world agreed to big cuts in the use of HFCs, an extremely powerful greenhouse gas.

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jaunte  Oct 15, 2016 • 10:05:50am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 15, 2016 • 10:05:58am

I think the reporters at the rally are getting bored:

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GlutenFreeJesus  Oct 15, 2016 • 10:06:02am

Can’t seem to find the screenshot of one of the Kansas terrorists admitting he was a Trump supporter. Can my fellow lizards help me out? Thanks!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 15, 2016 • 10:15:21am

re: #341 GlutenFreeJesus

Can’t seem to find the screenshot of one of the Kansas terrorists admitting he was a Trump supporter. Can my fellow lizards help me out? Thanks!

littlegreenfootballs.com

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 15, 2016 • 10:15:54am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 15, 2016 • 10:16:12am
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ObserverArt  Oct 15, 2016 • 10:19:38am

re: #297 Schweppes7

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Excellent. I just keep hoping things get just a little bit more fractured and Trump makes a grand proclamation that the Democrats and Republicans are both corrupt and his supporters should vote for him and ONLY him, ignoring everyone down ballot…..

Certainly the Kasich Klan in the Statehouse do not care one bit for Trump. And that probably is not playing well out in the western farm fields and the eastern and southern Appalachian areas. It can only cause division in the state party.

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goddamnedfrank  Oct 15, 2016 • 10:21:04am
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wrenchwench  Oct 15, 2016 • 10:21:19am

re: #287 jaunte

“Speak American!!!”

Here in New Mexico, that means about ten things; English, Spanish, Navajo, and Other. I thought the native languages were innumerable, but the Secretary of State says there are eight. So, I think that means ‘Other’ consists of seven languages.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 15, 2016 • 10:24:08am

re: #346 goddamnedfrank

[Embedded content]

He said she is probably taking performance-enhancing drugs.

O_o

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stpaulbear  Oct 15, 2016 • 10:24:31am

re: #307 Big Beautiful Door

Borrow another six cents.

When I refinanced for a better rate, the amount of the loan was 100,001.00. The one dollar put me into a bracket with lower fees.

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Eventual Carrion  Oct 15, 2016 • 10:24:33am

re: #304 darthstar

Okay…got company coming over in five minutes and I’m still naked. Gotta run.

Funny, I have company coming over and I have to GET naked

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sagehen  Oct 15, 2016 • 10:25:02am

awww! Canada’s the best neighbor anyone ever had.

Tell America It’s Great

they’ve got a whole hashtag and everything

twitter.com

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 15, 2016 • 10:26:33am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 15, 2016 • 10:27:06am
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calochortus  Oct 15, 2016 • 10:28:46am

Meanwhile, my windows are all washed (yay!) and thanks to yesterday’s rain the air is currently alive with termite alates. Birds and lizards will feast. Of course some termites will settle in comfortably in houses, but that’s why we get inspected from time to time.

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Stanley Sea  Oct 15, 2016 • 10:30:40am
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Great White Snark  Oct 15, 2016 • 10:33:18am

Women that are finding the courage to step up and tell the truth about how they were treated by Donald Trump getting crap for the timing should remind everyone it’s Extreme Vetting time.

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electrotek  Oct 15, 2016 • 10:33:50am

How Trump supporters, even from Iran, react when they get shut down by my friend that happens to be a Pakistani Muslim woman:

Classy, eh?

And get this: his father is an ex-Muslim and currently a Baptist minister, and his mother is an Iranian Jew.

Going to find out what church he is a minister of.

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Varek Raith  Oct 15, 2016 • 10:33:58am

re: #348 Backwoods_Sleuth

He said she is probably taking performance-enhancing drugs.

O_o

Lol.

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wrenchwench  Oct 15, 2016 • 10:35:16am

re: #355 Stanley Sea

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There’s a good side to everything.

With these tweets, I learn that something nice can be said about Jefferson Beauregard Sessions III. I don’t believe it, but we can work on that.

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Nyet  Oct 15, 2016 • 10:35:45am

re: #356 Great White Snark

Women that are finding the courage to step up and tell the truth about how they were treated by Donald Trump getting crap for the timing should remind everyone it’s Extreme Vetting time.

It’s Bad Vetting time!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 15, 2016 • 10:36:58am
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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Oct 15, 2016 • 10:36:59am

re: #348 Backwoods_Sleuth

He said she is probably taking performance-enhancing drugs.

O_o

So, Hillary lifts? Maybe we can include an arm-wrestling match at the next debate.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 15, 2016 • 10:39:54am

So funny that Trump pulls resources from Virginia to supposedly focus on battleground states and today he’s in New Hampshire and Maine.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Oct 15, 2016 • 10:41:15am

re: #363 Backwoods_Sleuth

So funny that Trump pulls resources from Virginia to supposedly focus on battleground states and today he’s in New Hampshire and Maine.

It’s that keen, forward-thinking strategy of his ace campaign team.

365
allegro  Oct 15, 2016 • 10:42:21am

I gots a peeper…

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 15, 2016 • 10:44:10am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 15, 2016 • 10:45:48am
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calochortus  Oct 15, 2016 • 10:48:24am

re: #367 Backwoods_Sleuth

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If she is taking drugs, I want some of what she’s taking. Trump could use some too.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Oct 15, 2016 • 10:48:27am

re: #342 Backwoods_Sleuth

littlegreenfootballs.com

Thank you!

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Dr Lizardo  Oct 15, 2016 • 10:48:43am

re: #363 Backwoods_Sleuth

So funny that Trump pulls resources from Virginia to supposedly focus on battleground states and today he’s in New Hampshire and Maine.

Maybe next Trump will focus on these vital and key battleground states of California, Oregon and Washington.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 15, 2016 • 10:48:51am
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calochortus  Oct 15, 2016 • 10:49:33am

re: #370 Dr Lizardo

Maybe next Trump will focus on these vital and key battleground states of California, Oregon and Washington.

He seems to focus on the critical “conveniently located” and “places I’d like to visit” demographics.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 15, 2016 • 10:51:44am
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Jay C  Oct 15, 2016 • 10:52:05am

re: #352 Backwoods_Sleuth

[Embedded content]

I hope Mrs Clinton brings this up at the next debate (assuming Donald even shows)- I.e., ask him to explain excactly HOW he imagines the election is “rigged”. And make it clear from the start that “the press is mean to me” is not an acceptable answer….

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Big Beautiful Door  Oct 15, 2016 • 10:52:34am

re: #363 Backwoods_Sleuth

So funny that Trump pulls resources from Virginia to supposedly focus on battleground states and today he’s in New Hampshire and Maine.

If his campaign hadn’t collapsed, NH and Me would’ve been part of his path to 270 electoral votes. Now, not so much.

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ObserverArt  Oct 15, 2016 • 10:53:55am

re: #363 Backwoods_Sleuth

So funny that Trump pulls resources from Virginia to supposedly focus on battleground states and today he’s in New Hampshire and Maine.

It seems they think they can keep it cheap by having several rallies in an area and some as close to home as possible. They then count on our lovely media to cover every minute and all of America is forced to witness.

No matter where he is it seems he’s right in your state working it…not like the low powered, always resting Hillary! /

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Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 15, 2016 • 10:55:23am

Boy is THIS true!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 15, 2016 • 10:55:35am
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Charles Johnson  Oct 15, 2016 • 10:59:10am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 15, 2016 • 10:59:24am
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dangerman  Oct 15, 2016 • 11:03:34am

Donald Trump Is Probably Past The Point Of No Return

headline notwithstanding, i think this is important:

The evidence is still coming in, but polls so far suggest that the tape of Donald Trump discussing sexual assault and the ensuing accusations didn’t cause support for the GOP presidential nominee to collapse.

Instead, the week’s events seem to have reinforced a downward trend that started at the beginning of the month. He’s unlikely to recover, and Trump’s odds of winning on Nov. 8 are less than 1 in 10, according to HuffPost’s projections.

for two reasons, one positive one not:

he was already tanking past redemption whether the tape and its aftermath happened or not

and if the first paragraph is so, why *didnt* the tape cause his support to collapse totally?

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jeffreyw  Oct 15, 2016 • 11:03:38am

re: #323 wrenchwench

It likely is a Manx or at least has some Manx in its ancestry but all we really know about this one is that it showed up in someone’s yard. They brought him in to the shelter. The tail is naturally short, not an amputation.

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dangerman  Oct 15, 2016 • 11:04:44am

re: #374 Jay C

I hope Mrs Clinton brings this up at the next debate (assuming Donald even shows)- I.e., ask him to explain excactly HOW he imagines the election is “rigged”. And make it clear from the start that “the press is mean to me” is not an acceptable answer….

winner winner

simply ask “how. specifically, how”

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calochortus  Oct 15, 2016 • 11:07:30am

re: #383 dangerman

winner winner

simply ask “how. specifically, how”

But, he won’t answer coherently. His supporters will love it and everyone else will move on.

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Nyet  Oct 15, 2016 • 11:11:18am

re: #379 Charles Johnson

It ain’t no liberal, it’s KT!

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dangerman  Oct 15, 2016 • 11:12:43am

re: #384 calochortus

But, he won’t answer coherently. His supporters will love it and everyone else will move on.

no doubt.
and in the context of a debate she can now bookend his answer with

“everyone watching just saw you didnt/cant answer the question, ‘exactly how’”
or
“so you have no idea”
or
“you didnt actually say anything”
or some other such thing

i do this all the time when faced with sweeping generalities and broad meaningless statements. just tell me how. give me a couple of specifics. you either get something off topic, non responsive, or bluster.

and of course, we’re just musing about what she ought to do. im confident her team is way ahead of all of us

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Nyet  Oct 15, 2016 • 11:13:08am

re: #381 dangerman

Because he relies on patriarchy to carry him forward, so this tape can’t really hurt him with these folks.

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dangerman  Oct 15, 2016 • 11:13:54am

re: #387 Nyet

Because he relies on patriarchy to carry him forward, so this tape can’t really hurt him with these folks.

sad, aint it?

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Interesting Times  Oct 15, 2016 • 11:14:03am

Boom, dynamite, and mic dropped into the resulting chasm:

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calochortus  Oct 15, 2016 • 11:15:21am

re: #386 dangerman

no doubt.
and in the context of a debate she can now bookend his answer with

“everyone watching just saw you didnt/cant answer the question, ‘exactly how’”
or
“so you have no idea”
or
“you didnt actually say anything”
or some other such thing

i do this all the time when faced with sweeping generalities and broad meaningless statements. just tell me how. give me a couple of specifics. you either get something off topic, non responsive, or bluster.

and of course, we’re just musing about what she ought to do. im confident her team is way ahead of all of us

Yes, Hillary and team appear to be very good at what they do.

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Nyet  Oct 15, 2016 • 11:16:25am

re: #388 dangerman

Also don’t forget that while they might break someone’s jaw if such was attempted with their close female relatives by the hoi polloi, that’s different for the figures whom they put on a level above them. Like, you kick your neighbor’s ass is he looks askew at your daughter, but if the King wants her for a night, it’s no problem.

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No Country For Old Haters  Oct 15, 2016 • 11:17:06am

re: #389 Interesting Times

Boom, dynamite, and mic dropped into the resulting chasm:

[Embedded content]

He’s both. Damaged people damage those around them.

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wrenchwench  Oct 15, 2016 • 11:20:30am

re: #382 jeffreyw

It likely is a Manx or at least has some Manx in its ancestry but all we really know about this one is that it showed up in someone’s yard. They brought him in to the shelter. The tail is naturally short, not an amputation.

My Manx has about an inch, and all his 4 litter mates had full tails. (I got one of his brothers too, and sometimes call him ‘monkeytail’.) Manx is not the only short-tail breed, but probably the most common. Part Manxes can be healthier than ‘purebreds’ because they can be born a vertebra too short.

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Timothy Watson  Oct 15, 2016 • 11:22:45am

re: #389 Interesting Times

Boom, dynamite, and mic dropped into the resulting chasm:

[Embedded content]

I love Ana Navarro.

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Big Beautiful Door  Oct 15, 2016 • 1:09:04pm

re: #381 dangerman

Donald Trump Is Probably Past The Point Of No Return

headline notwithstanding, i think this is important:

for two reasons, one positive one not:

he was already tanking past redemption whether the tape and its aftermath happened or not

and if the first paragraph is so, why *didnt* the tape cause his support to collapse totally?

Because 40% of the voters think Hillary is Satan Incarnate (literally, in the case of Alex Jones).

396
No Country For Old Haters  Oct 15, 2016 • 1:17:00pm

re: #381 dangerman

Donald Trump Is Probably Past The Point Of No Return

headline notwithstanding, i think this is important:

for two reasons, one positive one not:

he was already tanking past redemption whether the tape and its aftermath happened or not

and if the first paragraph is so, why *didnt* the tape cause his support to collapse totally?

Because the Christian Taliban think he’ll let them pick SC justices, and ban abortion nationwide. He promised them that the nuts at Heritage could pick them, but he’d probably betray them and sell the seats to the highest bidders. Lots of Conservatives will elect a monster if that will ban abortion.

A lot of people also want the women, Jews, atheists, and other minorities put in their place. but they’re probably a minority of the Republicans in most states.

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majii  Oct 15, 2016 • 2:49:34pm

re: #171 Backwoods_Sleuth

“he just can’t help himself”

He certainly didn’t feel this way during the GOP Primary or at the beginning of the General Primary when he was receiving millions in free advertising/exposure. He loves positive media attention hates the negative media attention he’s brought onto himself because of his arrogance and big- *ss, very loose, mouth.


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