We Hope You’re Not Too Surprised: Yet Another Woman Says Trump Sexually Assaulted Her

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We’ll start the weekend with yet another woman going on the record with a story of being sexually assaulted by Donald Trump.

Their alleged encounter took place almost two decades ago – [Cathy] Heller believes the year was 1997 and she was at a Mother’s Day brunch – at Trump’s Mar-a-Lago estate. Heller, her husband, her three children and her in-laws were among dozens of families seated at big round tables in what she and a relative who spoke to the Guardian recall was an open lobby.

Trump made the rounds greeting members of his club. When he stopped at their table, Heller recalled, and her mother-in-law introduced her, she stood and extended her hand.

“He took my hand, and grabbed me, and went for the lips,” she claimed.

Alarmed, she said she leaned backwards to avoid him and almost lost her balance. “And he said, ‘Oh, come on.’ He was strong. And he grabbed me and went for my mouth and went for my lips.” She turned her head, she claims, and Trump planted a kiss on the side of her mouth. “He kept me there for a little too long,” Heller said. “And then he just walked away.”

“I was angry and shaken,” she continued. “He was pissed. He couldn’t believe a woman would pass up the opportunity.” She added that he seemed to feel “entitled” to kiss her.

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Charles Johnson  Oct 15, 2016 • 11:19:15am
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Skip Intro  Oct 15, 2016 • 11:20:29am

re: #1 Charles Johnson

Don’t go there, Sam. Just don’t. You’ll give him ideas.

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Nyet  Oct 15, 2016 • 11:21:49am

That’s how Stalinists tick. They know about the crimes but justify them because “he made Russia great again”. So yes, I expect many to stick around even if Trump murdered someone.

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Kragar  Oct 15, 2016 • 11:22:13am
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Rightwingconspirator  Oct 15, 2016 • 11:23:18am
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b.d.  Oct 15, 2016 • 11:23:20am

Is it too late for the GOP to replace Trump with another reality TV star? Like that Duggar guy or Honey BooBoo’s mom?

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Nyet  Oct 15, 2016 • 11:23:58am

re: #4 Kragar

But “thugs” “rioting” is bad!

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ObserverArt  Oct 15, 2016 • 11:24:11am

It will be interesting to see how this incident is played.

It doesn’t have all the “sex” in it and some will say this is just Trump being a glib ladies-man and he was just going for an innocent kiss and she got all bent out of shape…blah…blah. He even did it in front of other people…so it shows how he is.

He’s just a lovable ol’ guy! /

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 15, 2016 • 11:24:12am
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Ziggy_TARDIS  Oct 15, 2016 • 11:26:03am

re: #4 Kragar

If I am not mistaken, that Sheriff is under investigation.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 15, 2016 • 11:26:04am

re: #9 Backwoods_Sleuth

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(Satire/comedy twitter account if you couldn’t figure it out)

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Teukka  Oct 15, 2016 • 11:28:27am

re: #9 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Shiplord Kirel  Oct 15, 2016 • 11:28:41am

I dreamed that a video had surface of Trump singing “You’re my little slave girl” to a black pageant contestant he had forced to sit on his lap.

I did dream that, didn’t I?

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Charles Johnson  Oct 15, 2016 • 11:28:53am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 15, 2016 • 11:29:30am
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Kragar  Oct 15, 2016 • 11:30:07am
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No Country For Old Haters  Oct 15, 2016 • 11:30:30am

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 15, 2016 • 11:31:15am
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Jay C  Oct 15, 2016 • 11:31:26am

re: #11 Backwoods_Sleuth

(Satire/comedy twitter account if you couldn’t figure it out)

Which one? realdonaldtrump or deptofaustralia?

It’s hard to tell the difference any more…..

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b.d.  Oct 15, 2016 • 11:32:23am

re: #18 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Shame the republicans don’t believe in evolution Kasich.

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Charles Johnson  Oct 15, 2016 • 11:35:20am
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Kragar  Oct 15, 2016 • 11:36:10am
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freetoken  Oct 15, 2016 • 11:36:43am

The Boston Globe not hiding the truth anymore in their headlines:

Trump’s supporters talk rebellion, assassination at his rallies

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No Country For Old Haters  Oct 15, 2016 • 11:36:50am

re: #18 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Charles Johnson  Oct 15, 2016 • 11:37:13am
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austin_blue  Oct 15, 2016 • 11:40:41am

re: #21 Charles Johnson

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He’s the vicim now.

Full on DARVO.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 15, 2016 • 11:42:01am

welp…

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dangerman  Oct 15, 2016 • 11:42:29am

re: #17 No Country For Old Haters

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nixon: “When the President does it, that means that it is not illegal”?

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Jay C  Oct 15, 2016 • 11:44:07am

re: #28 dangerman

nixon: “When the President does it, that means that it is not illegal”?

Yeah, exactly. Except that, IIRC, Nixon’s original comment didn’t include (or fudged) the question mark.

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dangerman  Oct 15, 2016 • 11:44:33am

re: #21 Charles Johnson

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Nothing ever happened with any of these women. Totally made up nonsense to steal the election. Nobody has more respect for women than me!

“than ‘I’”, ya dolt

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dangerman  Oct 15, 2016 • 11:45:42am

re: #24 No Country For Old Haters

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Some species evolve to a dead-end….

unfortunately for the rest of us natural selection is a slow process

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Nyet  Oct 15, 2016 • 11:46:12am
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dangerman  Oct 15, 2016 • 11:47:17am

re: #29 Jay C

Yeah, exactly. Except that, IIRC, Nixon’s original comment didn’t include (or fudged) the question mark.

yeah, that was all me responding.

nixon was unequivocal

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Varek Raith  Oct 15, 2016 • 11:47:54am

re: #27 Backwoods_Sleuth

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welp…

What in the fuck.

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Charles Johnson  Oct 15, 2016 • 11:48:08am
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Varek Raith  Oct 15, 2016 • 11:49:05am

re: #32 Nyet

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That’s why sidewinders were invented.
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 15, 2016 • 11:50:27am

LOL, conspiracy theorist Rappoport is ON IT in Bangor!

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b.d.  Oct 15, 2016 • 11:52:29am

re: #37 Backwoods_Sleuth

LOL, conspiracy theorist Rappoport is ON IT in Bangor!

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Oh noes, we are busted on our chemtrailing!!!

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b.d.  Oct 15, 2016 • 11:53:34am

I think I need to talk to our chemtrailers, their aim sure seems to be off by a few miles….

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 15, 2016 • 11:55:19am

More teleprompters for trump to break and stuff on floor to kick over.

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Dr Lizardo  Oct 15, 2016 • 11:56:03am

re: #25 Charles Johnson

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Also formerly known as the “Marion Barry Defense”.

BITCH SET ME UP!!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 15, 2016 • 11:56:04am
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Charles Johnson  Oct 15, 2016 • 11:56:12am
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b.d.  Oct 15, 2016 • 11:56:32am

re: #40 Backwoods_Sleuth

More teleprompters for trump to break and stuff on floor to kick over.

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OK, I snickered like a 13 year old when I just read that Trump is speaking in…….Bangor?

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Varek Raith  Oct 15, 2016 • 11:58:45am

re: #37 Backwoods_Sleuth

LOL, conspiracy theorist Rappoport is ON IT in Bangor!

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SPORE PODS.

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ObserverArt  Oct 15, 2016 • 11:58:58am

Trump (real version): I have so much respect for the women I would think they’d be more than happy to be groped by a billionaire man’s man playboy. I’m actually helping them by doing them a favor. Believe me, when they come in contact with Trump they can use it to further their careers. I completely respect that! This I can tell you. Trump respect. It’s the best respect. I make ‘em famous. Have you heard of any of these women before Trump ran for president? No. I make ‘em famous…doing them a favor. And this is how they pay me back. Trump made these women…Look at ‘em!!!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 15, 2016 • 11:59:19am

re: #44 b.d.

OK, I snickered like a 13 year old when I just read that Trump is speaking in…….Bangor?

It’s all about optics, you know…

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allegro  Oct 15, 2016 • 12:00:09pm

The longer this goes on the more I am distrusting most everyone I meet. It’s a sickening feeling and I keep telling myself that I’m imagining it, just taking this all too seriously, blah blah.

Then I fear I’m not. It appears that something horrible is happening and even worse is about to happen and we’re helpless to do anything about it. Do. Not. Like.

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dangerman  Oct 15, 2016 • 12:00:47pm

re: #44 b.d.

OK, I snickered like a 13 year old when I just read that Trump is speaking in…….Bangor?

i thought we were supposed to speak in “american”

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FormerDirtDart  Oct 15, 2016 • 12:01:03pm

OK, I’ve never been accused of multiple felonies, but, I’ve been around long enough to know that normal people don’t deny allegations of wrong doing dozens of times a day, for days on end.
Also, normal people don’t trot out self identified pedophile serving pimps in their defense…

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Skip Intro  Oct 15, 2016 • 12:01:05pm

I went out grocery shopping this morning and for the first time felt the same.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 15, 2016 • 12:01:31pm
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Charles Johnson  Oct 15, 2016 • 12:02:49pm
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KGxvi  Oct 15, 2016 • 12:03:00pm

re: #13 Shiplord Kirel

I dreamed that a video had surface of Trump singing “You’re my little slave girl” to a black pageant contestant he had forced to sit on his lap.

I did dream that, didn’t I?

Mandela Effect?

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Stanley Sea  Oct 15, 2016 • 12:04:59pm

re: #52 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Of all the shit going on, small crowds are going to do him in. He won’t be able to handle it.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 15, 2016 • 12:05:40pm
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Jay C  Oct 15, 2016 • 12:05:58pm

re: #44 b.d.

OK, I snickered like a 13 year old when I just read that Trump is speaking in…….Bangor?

Maybe showing my age, but my thought on reading this was a flashback to the old Are You Being Served? BBC TV show, where the creaky old Mr. Grainger is recounting his last vacation (paraphrased):

…”and I went on holiday with Mrs. Grainger, for old times’ sake, to Bangor…..” *

* the one in Wales, presumably, not the town in Maine

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Tigger2  Oct 15, 2016 • 12:06:45pm

Day at the spa.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 15, 2016 • 12:07:32pm

James is obviously having too much fun:

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 15, 2016 • 12:08:58pm
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Nyet  Oct 15, 2016 • 12:13:20pm

re: #53 Charles Johnson

Here is Assange presenting a pretty clairvoyant joke as something nefarious.


He is basically openly working for Trump.
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 15, 2016 • 12:14:28pm
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Nyet  Oct 15, 2016 • 12:15:24pm

re: #62 Backwoods_Sleuth

Much has been made of the “shy Trump voter”. What about the shy Clinton voters?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 15, 2016 • 12:16:26pm
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Nyet  Oct 15, 2016 • 12:17:19pm

re: #64 Backwoods_Sleuth

She’s evil, so prolly a Trump supporter.

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ObserverArt  Oct 15, 2016 • 12:18:38pm

re: #64 Backwoods_Sleuth

John Wing ✔ @JohnWing5
@StephenKing Can Molly, AKA The thing of evil, be sicced upon the Trump rally in Bangor today?
3:14 PM - 15 Oct 2016
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Calling on the dogs!

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Timothy Watson  Oct 15, 2016 • 12:19:23pm

re: #66 ObserverArt

Calling on the dogs!

Who let the dogs out?

*ducks*

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 15, 2016 • 12:20:33pm
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allegro  Oct 15, 2016 • 12:22:20pm

re: #63 Nyet

Much has been made of the “shy Trump voter”. What about the shy Clinton voters?

I’m a shy Clinton supporter because the Trumpistas scare the crap outa me. They are insane and violent and seem to have no filter on their behavior. I put up a sign or bumper sticker and I risk injury or property damage. No. My vote will have to suffice*.

(*I’m taking 3 others so far to vote with me. We’re doing a celebratory lunch afterwards. With margaritas. More will be welcome if I can get ‘em.)

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calochortus  Oct 15, 2016 • 12:23:16pm

re: #69 allegro

I’m a shy Clinton supporter because the Trumpistas scare the crap outa me. They are insane and violent and seem to have no filter on their behavior. I put up a sign or bumper sticker and I risk injury or property damage. No. My vote will have to suffice*.

(*I’m taking 3 others so far to vote with me. We’re doing a celebratory lunch afterwards. With margaritas. More will be welcome if I can get ‘em.)

More voters or more margaritas?

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allegro  Oct 15, 2016 • 12:23:35pm

re: #70 calochortus

More voters or more margaritas?

Yes. :P

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calochortus  Oct 15, 2016 • 12:24:00pm

re: #71 allegro

Yes. :P

I thought as much.

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ObserverArt  Oct 15, 2016 • 12:24:33pm

I think the shy Clinton voter is the great unknown number in the polling. I don’t think they’d ever answer a poll straight being so shy and all. They won’t be counted until election day.

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Charles Johnson  Oct 15, 2016 • 12:24:47pm

I’d put the odds that this orange egg is a Russian troll at approximately 100%.

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Jay C  Oct 15, 2016 • 12:26:04pm

re: #70 calochortus

More voters or more margaritas?

Hopefully, both!

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Oct 15, 2016 • 12:26:06pm

re: #5 Great White Snark

Secretary of Education. Nahh, who am I kidding?

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mmmirele  Oct 15, 2016 • 12:27:06pm

OK, so we have women coming forward. Great, I thank them for their service to our country in keeping the short-fingered vulgarian from becoming President.

But where are the guys? You know Trump must have said obscene things about women to other men, men he barely knew, like Billy Bush.

Where are the guys? It’s time for the guys who heard Trump talk about women as if we were just objects for his gratification to step forward. Please.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 15, 2016 • 12:28:22pm
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Kilroy was here  Oct 15, 2016 • 12:28:54pm
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jaunte  Oct 15, 2016 • 12:30:25pm
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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Oct 15, 2016 • 12:31:12pm

re: #63 Nyet

Much has been made of the “shy Trump voter”. What about the shy Clinton voters?

considering the amount of hostility against hillary from both the right and left im absolutely certain the shy voter phenomenon cuts both ways this cycle

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Eclectic Cyborg  Oct 15, 2016 • 12:31:39pm

I hate to play Devils advocate here but is it not possible some of these women may just be wanting attention?

Although give the possible repercussions of coming out against Trump, that may be a moot point.

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dangerman  Oct 15, 2016 • 12:33:12pm

re: #73 ObserverArt

I think the shy Clinton voter is the great unknown number in the polling. I don’t think they’d ever answer a poll straight being so shy and all. They won’t counted until election day.

i pat myself on the back for saying this since may or june - more women than men, likely. not discussing it with their husbands, or pollsters if asked.

in the voting booth they are free

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jaunte  Oct 15, 2016 • 12:34:32pm

re: #82 Eclectic Cyborg

I hate to play Devils advocate here but is it not possible some of these women may just be wanting attention?

LIke in-person voter fraud, the price to be paid is so overwhelmingly disproportionate to any possible personal benefit that the answer is most likely hell naw.

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Oct 15, 2016 • 12:34:41pm

trump calling for drug tests before the next debate because he finds the fact that hillary is lively and alert to be highly suspicious

no, im not kidding or exaggerating

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mmmirele  Oct 15, 2016 • 12:35:14pm

re: #82 Eclectic Cyborg

I hate to play Devils advocate here but is it not possible some of these women may just be wanting attention?

Although give the possible repercussions of coming out against Trump, that may be a moot point.

One of the women, Melinda McGillivray, told the Palm Beach Post yesterday she is leaving the country. She spent a few days in a hotel, came back to her house (not in a gated community) and noticed people driving by verrrry sloooowly.

palmbeachpost.com

You’ll note that the reporting, particularly on Cathy Heller, points out that she’s a Clinton supporter and she’s given the max ($2700) to the Clinton campaign. But the reporter also talked to her friends.

Let’s just say I believe these women over that “Gilby” character trotted out by the NY Post yesterday.

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dangerman  Oct 15, 2016 • 12:37:14pm

re: #77 mmmirele

OK, so we have women coming forward. Great, I thank them for their service to our country in keeping the short-fingered vulgarian from becoming President.

But where are the guys? You know Trump must have said obscene things about women to other men, men he barely knew, like Billy Bush.

Where are the guys? It’s time for the guys who heard Trump talk about women as if we were just objects for his gratification to step forward. Please.

i will go all sweeping generalization here and say most “R” men cant get there

trumps behavior (alleged) is not enough to overcome their hatred of the democrats and all things clinton. though some might privately vote D i suppose, they could never say it and continue to exist in the circles they do. the thinking is so obtuse and closed minded to begin with. likely they’d be shunned out anyway.

if you already think reflexively this way, a “questionable” sex scandal isnt enough to open your eyes

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ObserverArt  Oct 15, 2016 • 12:38:47pm

re: #82 Eclectic Cyborg

I hate to play Devils advocate here but is it not possible some of these women may just be wanting attention?

Although give the possible repercussions of coming out against Trump, that may be a moot point.

In this case I can’t see any of them doing this for attention when most of the attention is not the kind you’d want. Not a lot of upside. Could be a ton of downside.

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dangerman  Oct 15, 2016 • 12:39:15pm

re: #84 jaunte

LIke in-person voter fraud, the price to be paid is so overwhelmingly disproportionate to any possible personal benefit that the answer is most likely hell naw.

and right now there is no “benefit” except notoriety. no one’s bring lawsuits or filing complaints (yet).

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calochortus  Oct 15, 2016 • 12:39:43pm

What is sad is the people who are really decent human beings, but are desperate and think Trump is their only hope for shaking up “the system” and giving him the life they thought they were going to have.

I was watching BBC Newsnight earlier and they interviewed a woman in Youngstown, OH who had lost her job some years ago, so she and her husband got into real estate and lost everything in 2008. Her voice was extremely emotional, she seemed nearly in tears, as she talked about Trump being her only hope for a good life. She appeared to be maybe 40? (I’m bad at guessing ages and since I was washing the windows at the time, I wasn’t watching closely.) She was very sincere, and I’m guessing a bit unsophisticated, but these are the people who will crawl over broken glass for Trump, because they believe he will help them, and they don’t much care how he does it.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 15, 2016 • 12:41:42pm
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retired cynic  Oct 15, 2016 • 12:42:04pm

re: #90 calochortus

Key words: give them. Like he is going to rain gold from the sky on them. Sigh.

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Jebediah, RBG  Oct 15, 2016 • 12:42:49pm

re: #12 Teukka

Is that a kangaroid?

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calochortus  Oct 15, 2016 • 12:44:25pm

re: #92 retired cynic

Key words: give them. Like he is going to rain gold from the sky on them. Sigh.

Yes, give them, because they feel they did “all the right things” but it was taken from them, unfairly. And sometimes that’s true-they did what should have been the right things and it turned out badly. The real estate bubble, not so much, but people could still feel that way about it.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Oct 15, 2016 • 12:44:40pm

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Odie Hugh Manatee  Oct 15, 2016 • 12:45:01pm

Checking in from the left coast while I still can! Winds are beating the hell out of things and everything that was loose from over the summer has now been set to flight! A couple of my wife’s begonias (I call them deer salad) have been uprooted and her wooden garden owl decided to duck for cover in the bed (smart chunk of wood!). Power has gone out once for about 45 minutes and just came back on a few ago (APCs were a-chirpin!) but judging from the winds that will probably change.

According to ODOT, to the north we have:

ORE255
MP 345
ORE255, 5 miles North of West Carpenterville
Estimated delay under 20 minutes
Crash/Hazard
Lanes Affected: (Northbound) 1 Lane
(Southbound) 1 Lane
Comments: Low hanging tree into the Charter Power Lines. Charter Communications and ODOT will work on removing this tree tomorrow. All lanes open.
Public Contact: ODOT/STOC Central Point/Medford
Incident #: 263611
Last Updated: 10/15/2016 11:03 am

So our internet might die at any time, even if the power stays up. Oh well, back to calming my big cat, Stewie… he hates this crap. His buddy Morty is upstarirs looking out of the window, enjoying the mess outside.

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dangerman  Oct 15, 2016 • 12:45:02pm

re: #90 calochortus

What is sad is the people who are really decent human beings, but are desperate and think Trump is their only hope for shaking up “the system” and giving him the life they thought they were going to have.

I was watching BBC Newsnight earlier and they interviewed a woman in Youngstown, OH who had lost her job some years ago, so she and her husband got into real estate and lost everything in 2008. Her voice was extremely emotional, she seemed nearly in tears, as she talked about Trump being her only hope for a good life. She appeared to be maybe 40? (I’m bad at guessing ages and since I was washing the windows at the time, I wasn’t watching closely.) She was very sincere, and I’m guessing a bit unsophisticated, but these are the people who will crawl over broken glass for Trump, because they believe he will help them, and they don’t much care how he does it.

ok so they lost their jobs (lets assume no fault of their own). then tried a new business and it failed. and i guess didnt or couldnt start another one - you know the way trump does.

so i’d ask to explain exactly and specifically *how* is he going to get *you* “the good life” / a job?

this is wishin’ and hopin’ (not hope and change)

it’s also basically saying the opposite of what most conservatives say about personal responsibiliity and bootstraps and help yourself.

they are saying trump will somehow bail me out. you can countermand all the executive orders and regulations you want. that doesnt make you a good real estate agent. (unless they went into actual house flipping, and dont get me started….though the argument’s the same)

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BeachDem  Oct 15, 2016 • 12:45:21pm

re: #40 Backwoods_Sleuth

More teleprompters for trump to break and stuff on floor to kick over.

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At least we can take comfort in the fact that he’s spending time in states he has little to no chance of winning.

(NH—16.5%; ME—12.1% per 538)

He has the best brain…and the best staff…and…

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dangerman  Oct 15, 2016 • 12:45:53pm

re: #92 retired cynic

Key words: give them. Like he is going to rain gold from the sky on them. Sigh.

shorter and more succinct than my #97 (took me longer to write)

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Nyet  Oct 15, 2016 • 12:48:59pm

re: #82 Eclectic Cyborg

I hate to play Devils advocate here but is it not possible some of these women may just be wanting attention?

Although give the possible repercussions of coming out against Trump, that may be a moot point.

Even if it were so, it’s the number that matters.

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calochortus  Oct 15, 2016 • 12:49:05pm

re: #97 dangerman

ok so they lost their jobs (lets assume no fault of their own). then tried a new business and it failed. and i guess didnt or couldnt start another one - you know the way trump does.

so i’d ask to explain exactly and specifically *how* is he going to get *you* “the good life” / a job?

this is wishin’ and hopin’ (not hope and change)

it’s also basically saying the opposite of what most conservatives say about personal responsibiliity and bootstraps and help yourself.

they are saying trump will somehow bail me out. you can countermand all the executive orders and regulations you want. that doesnt make you a good real estate agent. (unless they went into actual house flipping, and dont get me started….though the argument’s the same)

I’m not saying they are right or logical, but they are sincere.

And in a lot of ways, the system is rigged. One just has to have the sophistication to recognize what games not to get pulled into.

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dangerman  Oct 15, 2016 • 12:53:52pm

re: #101 calochortus

I’m not saying they are right or logical, but they are sincere.

And in a lot of ways, the system is rigged. One just has to have the sophistication to recognize what games not to get pulled into.

i agree and i’m not arguing. i just dont get it

sincerity is fine. heart, ardor, conviction. so i ask to explain exactly and specifically *how* is he going to get *you* “the good life” / a job?

they cant explain it because there really is no answer

so i wonder what that sincerity is really built on if you cant explain why you feel the way you do, other than “i just know it”

no matter who wins these specific people are in for a lot of disappointment. i wonder if he won would they eventually come to blame him?

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Joe Bacon  Oct 15, 2016 • 12:56:17pm

re: #102 dangerman

i agree and i’m not arguing. i just dont get it

sincerity is fine. heart, ardor, conviction. so i ask to explain exactly and specifically *how* is he going to get *you* “the good life” / a job?

they cant explain it because there really is no answer

so i wonder what that sincerity is really built on if you cant explain why you feel the way you do, other than “i just know it”

no matter who wins these specific people are in for a lot of disappointment. i wonder if he won would they eventually come to blame him?

Judging by the past when these people get the shaft from Republicans they blamed Carter, then Clinton and they will now double down on their Obama hatred!

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ipsos  Oct 15, 2016 • 12:58:30pm

re: #98 BeachDem

He’s going for that one EV from the rural congressional district in Maine.

Good luck with that strategy.

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calochortus  Oct 15, 2016 • 12:59:12pm

re: #102 dangerman

i agree and i’m not arguing. i just dont get it

sincerity is fine. heart, ardor, conviction. so i ask to explain exactly and specifically *how* is he going to get *you* “the good life” / a job?

they cant explain it because there really is no answer

so i wonder what that sincerity is really built on if you cant explain why you feel the way you do, other than “i just know it”

no matter who wins these specific people are in for a lot of disappointment. i wonder if he won would they eventually come to blame him?

Yeah, I get what you are saying, and I think they would eventually become disenchanted with Trump, or possibly blame Congress or the courts or something. I assume they won’t get the chance to find out he doesn’t care about them, so there will always been the “what could have been” lingering in their hearts.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 15, 2016 • 1:00:17pm

re: #30 dangerman

“than ‘I’”, ya dolt

Elitist!
//

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Sherlock Hound  Oct 15, 2016 • 1:00:59pm

re: #82 Eclectic Cyborg

I hate to play Devils advocate here but is it not possible some of these women may just be wanting attention?

Although give the possible repercussions of coming out against Trump anyone, that may be a moot point.

Fix’t for you.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 15, 2016 • 1:01:06pm

poor Michael, he haz a sad…

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Charles Johnson  Oct 15, 2016 • 1:04:02pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Oct 15, 2016 • 1:04:49pm

Has the actual media ever really given a shit about Wikileaks? I remember a fair bit of coverage when the diplomatic cables were released but not much else.

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Nyet  Oct 15, 2016 • 1:05:53pm

re: #108 Backwoods_Sleuth

So the media doesn’t bite, but is supposed to be bad. /

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Oct 15, 2016 • 1:06:24pm

From the RISKS Digest on that evil compulsory voting in Australia

This is of course a divergent rant that takes us away from cyberrisks.

> To vote is to declare yourself incompetent to manage your own affairs, and
> to appoint whoever takes office as your guardian with a full power of
> attorney to spend your money and dictate your choices.

I hope I can apply some salve by the idea that voting is rather like
evolution. The individual plays no role in evolution. It’s the
circumstances of thousands of individuals that leads to the emergence of
selective qualities being selected. You don’t vote for your own good, you
vote for the good of everyone else.

I suspect many people in the US would be outraged that voting might be made
compulsory as it is here in Australia. Now while too many Australians try
to avoid voting by not registering to vote, the vast majority of us vote -
and the ballots are far more complex than just about everywhere else in the
world. The election losers are mostly satisfied with the results and the
process is free of voter obstruction, special interest effects and multiple
voting.

There are second-order effects from voting as well. Even if I live in a
safe left wing seat and right wing votes appear to be for naught, the
number of right wing votes conveys information and this affects how
audacious the left wing government of this seat behaves.

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ObserverArt  Oct 15, 2016 • 1:07:00pm

re: #108 Backwoods_Sleuth

poor Michael, he haz a sad…

[Embedded content]

Why is nobody buying our bullshit? It’s Wikileaks. Everybody knows us.

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Nyet  Oct 15, 2016 • 1:07:43pm

Every partisan “despises the media” when it suits him or her.

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calochortus  Oct 15, 2016 • 1:08:43pm

BBL Must get stuff done.

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Sherlock Hound  Oct 15, 2016 • 1:12:12pm

re: #112 Eric The Fruit Bat

From the RISKS Digest on that evil compulsory voting in Australia

I have been part of the libertarian culture of the Net for thirty years. While I respect the RISKS list, if I read anymore of that thread, I’m going to be gaslighted as a white male. I think I deserve it.

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dangerman  Oct 15, 2016 • 1:12:29pm

re: #106 Blind Frog Belly White

Elitist!
//

guy wants to be effin president

he dont even speak good

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ObserverArt  Oct 15, 2016 • 1:12:42pm

And sometimes the US media may be protecting their own butts knowing who they are dealing with in Wikileaks.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 15, 2016 • 1:14:07pm
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dangerman  Oct 15, 2016 • 1:14:13pm

re: #114 Nyet

Every partisan “despises the media” when it suits him or her.

there is no “the media” (in the US i mean)

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Nyet  Oct 15, 2016 • 1:16:10pm

re: #121 dangerman

there is no “the media” (in the US i mean)

True, but that would be news to all the folks who speak of “despising” “the media”, about how “the media” are “corrupt”, about what “the media” will or will not do, etc. as if there was some sort of a monolithic media organism.

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goddamnedfrank  Oct 15, 2016 • 1:19:39pm

I came back from lunch and found a proglodyte laying eggs in my mentions.

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Charles Johnson  Oct 15, 2016 • 1:21:42pm
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Targetpractice  Oct 15, 2016 • 1:24:33pm

re: #124 Charles Johnson

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I’m reminded of the Bros who spent the earlier half of this year whining about how “mean” Clinton supporters were even as they were slinging shit.

“Clinton supporters are sheep, they’re evil, they’re bought and paid for!”

“You know, that attitude isn’t going to win you any friends.”

“HOW DARE YOU HARSH MY MELLOW, YOU CORPORIST STOOGE?!”

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BeachDem  Oct 15, 2016 • 1:24:40pm

re: #104 ipsos

He’s going for that one EV from the rural congressional district in Maine.

Good luck with that strategy.

Yeah, he’s playing the “long game,” as in trying to throw a touchdown pass from a position across town from where the actual stadium is located. (And then demanding the refs call a personal foul on the people laughing at him from inside the stadium.)

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Charles Johnson  Oct 15, 2016 • 1:25:27pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 15, 2016 • 1:26:38pm
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Nyet  Oct 15, 2016 • 1:27:08pm

re: #123 goddamnedfrank

I came back from lunch and found a proglodyte laying eggs in my mentions.

[Embedded content]

!!!

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ObserverArt  Oct 15, 2016 • 1:27:27pm

re: #122 Nyet

True, but that would be news to all the folks who speak of “despising” “the media”, about how “the media” are “corrupt”, about what “the media” will or will not do, etc. as if there was some sort of a monolithic media organism.

There is to some degree a monolithic thinking in the US media.

They will do what makes them the most money and not necessarily the proper or right thing. It makes them unreliable for facts and truths not necessarily the nefarious hiding of truth and facts for political reasons some may make it out to be. Call it capitalistic journalism or something.

“We give you what sells…who cares what it means!”

I think most people are just frustrated and use words like despise and hate and call the media’s business-as-usual method a form of corruption. There are degrees to everything. It drives literalists nutty the way words can be used.

I’m sure your mileage will vary.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Oct 15, 2016 • 1:27:56pm

re: #110 Eclectic Cyborg

Not really, and I think that now it is obvious that Wikileaks is a Russian Front, most people will ignore it.

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UnderTheRadar  Oct 15, 2016 • 1:29:01pm

re: #73 ObserverArt

I think the shy Clinton voter is the great unknown number in the polling. I don’t think they’d ever answer a poll straight being so shy and all. They won’t be counted until election day.

This! I registered to just to reply, although I have been reading LittleGreenFootballs off and on since before the great lizard transformation. You Get It! I am a shy Clinton voter. I do not answer polls - ever. I am registered as Non-Affiliated, and have in fact voted both D and R over many election years, depending on the choices available to a Non-Affiliated voter in my state.

However, I made my first campaign donation ever this year, and I may (although it’s a disturbing concept) vote a straight D ticket, as the only method I have to thoroughly repudiate the R party. I have never voted a straight party ticket, but this seems to be the year of many firsts.

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Nyet  Oct 15, 2016 • 1:29:10pm

re: #130 ObserverArt

There is to some degree a monolithic thinking in the US media.

If you say so.

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Skip Intro  Oct 15, 2016 • 1:30:09pm

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wrenchwench  Oct 15, 2016 • 1:31:31pm

re: #132 UnderTheRadar

Welcome, hatchling of very old egg. Don’t be so shy.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Oct 15, 2016 • 1:32:52pm

re: #128 Backwoods_Sleuth

People who are desperate will try any avenue. Email is quick and easy-and easily ignored as well.

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nickzi  Oct 15, 2016 • 1:33:46pm

re: #1 Charles Johnson

[Embedded content]

Authentic footage of a Trump rally emerges:

Looks like meat’s back on the menu, boys!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 15, 2016 • 1:34:30pm

re: #136 Eric The Fruit Bat

People who are desperate will try any avenue. Email is quick and easy-and easily ignored as well.

I think Josh’s concern is that the email is not redacted.

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goddamnedfrank  Oct 15, 2016 • 1:38:08pm

re: #129 Nyet

!!!

Heard it first from Kragar.

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ObserverArt  Oct 15, 2016 • 1:39:48pm

re: #133 Nyet

If you say so.

Heh. I’m always so definitive! /

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Charles Johnson  Oct 15, 2016 • 1:42:38pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 15, 2016 • 1:42:51pm
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Anymouse  Oct 15, 2016 • 1:44:56pm

re: #62 Backwoods_Sleuth

Thank you Mrs. Shore. I hope there are many more women like you in our state.

(I hate to think what dinner is going to be like in the Ricketts’s household tonight in Lincoln… .)

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Nyet  Oct 15, 2016 • 1:45:02pm

re: #142 Backwoods_Sleuth

As Hillary said to Zach G, “I could send you some pamphlets…”

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Big Beautiful Door  Oct 15, 2016 • 1:46:07pm

re: #32 Nyet

[Embedded content]

Showing once again that everything in Australia is trying to kill you./

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 15, 2016 • 1:46:12pm
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dangerman  Oct 15, 2016 • 1:46:16pm

re: #142 Backwoods_Sleuth

[Embedded content]

[Embedded content]

d’ya think they print letters like that with serious journalism intended?
to be “representative”
or maybe just “illustrative”
or with a silent wink?

wow

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Shiplord Kirel  Oct 15, 2016 • 1:47:40pm

Somali community in Garden City ‘shocked and scared’ by terrorist plot

For the first time since coming to the United States, many of the Somali immigrants living in a Garden City apartment complex say they were scared.

Many of the people who spoke to Eyewitness news did not know about the news of a planned attack on their home, and learned as they were returning home from work. But they do say it’s a good community where they’ve always felt welcome.

Steven and Ann Burgess own the apartment complex targeted in the attack. They say they were shocked to learn about the plot against their tenants.

“These people have been with us for some 12 years and we love every one of them,” Ann said. “They’re peaceful, they’re respectful, they’re part of our family now and we only have good things to say about these people.”

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dangerman  Oct 15, 2016 • 1:48:01pm

re: #122 Nyet

True, but that would be news to all the folks who speak of “despising” the media, about how the media are “corrupt”, about what “the media” will or will not do, etc. as if there was some sort of a monolithic media organism.

of course
its just another generalized meaningless trope used to broadbrush the whitewash

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Oct 15, 2016 • 1:52:26pm

re: #30 dangerman

“than ‘I’”, ya dolt

i maintain that “than” takes the objective (“accusative”) case, not the subject (“nomnative”) case

consider this: grammarians maintain that you should use the subject case with a relative clause because it is an abbreviation of e.g., “she is a programmer like i am”. but this will lead you into saying things such as “she is a programmer like I”

therefore, rather than mount an argument based on logic, that the pronoun should be in the subject case because it is abbreviation of a relative clause, just face the fact that in normal, correct english speech such relatives take the object case

if you insist that normal speech needs to be “corrected” by logical arguments, you can try convincing the french and the russians that they shouldnt use double negatives

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dangerman  Oct 15, 2016 • 1:55:22pm

re: #130 ObserverArt

There is to some degree a monolithic thinking in the US media.

id be a bit careful here

thinking the same way and using the same business model doesnt make it monolithic

there are no meetings, coordination, agreements, editorial policy arguments and decisions

theres only so much source material. each entity and it’s employees all chase it. and they each sift it and spin it to their own editorial policy and decide how to monetize it. no one’s any more brilliant or more insightful than the next.

and no one is prevented from doing what they want by the others. theres only so much variability out there that maintains viability

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Nyet  Oct 15, 2016 • 1:58:22pm

re: #151 dangerman

id be a bit careful here

thinking the same way and using the same business model doesnt make it monolithic

there are no meetings, coordination, agreements, editorial policy arguments and decisions

theres only so much source material. each entity and it’s employees all chase it. and they each sift it and spin it to their own editorial policy and decide how to monetize it. no one’s any more brilliant or more insightful than the next.

and no one is prevented from doing what they want by the others. theres only so much variability out there that maintains viability

IOW, they really are doing what they do… being a free press in the free world.

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dangerman  Oct 15, 2016 • 2:01:39pm

re: #150 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

i maintain that “than” takes the objective (“accusative”) case, not the subject (“nomnative”) case

consider this: grammarians maintain that you should use the subject case with a relative clause because it is an abbreviation of e.g., “she is a programmer like i am”. but this will lead you into saying things such as “she is a programmer like I”

therefore, rather than mount an argument based on logic, that the pronoun should be in the subject case because it is abbreviation of a relative clause, just face the fact that in normal, correct english speech such relatives take the object case

if you insist that normal speech needs to be “corrected” by logical arguments, you can try convincing the french and the russians that they shouldnt use double negatives

well……
I defer to your explanation
and i was just sorta kidding

my off the cuff came from (well im not going to tell you how long ago it was) …i remember a lesson i was taught to add an implied “do” after the “me” to check it, then adjust accordingly. so i always “do” out of habit.

i dont point it out in polite company. and i’m not a member of the grammar police except when a pet peeve rears its ugly head

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dangerman  Oct 15, 2016 • 2:02:20pm
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thecommodore  Oct 15, 2016 • 2:24:34pm

re: #10 Ziggy_TARDIS

If I am not mistaken, that Sheriff is under investigation.

That Sheriff should be in a padded cell.

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thecommodore  Oct 15, 2016 • 2:25:21pm

re: #124 Charles Johnson

[Embedded content]

Anyone with a hint of self awareness would not be a Trump supporter.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Oct 15, 2016 • 3:08:32pm

re: #138 Backwoods_Sleuth

That’s Wikileaks-that’s not how they roll.


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