President Obama Tells Donald Trump: “Stop Whining” About a Rigged Election

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In a press conference with Italian Prime Minister Matteo Renzi today, President Obama let Donald Trump have it. He blasted Trump’s irrational conspiracy theories about a “rigged election,” and told him:

It doesn’t really show the kind of leadership and toughness that you’d want out of a president. If you start whining before the game’s even over, if whenever things are going badly for you and you lose you start blaming someone else, then you don’t have what it takes to be in this job.

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So I’d advise Mr. Trump to stop whining, and go try to make his case to get votes.

Of course, everyone (including Obama) realizes this is going to absolutely enrage Trump, being called out as the whiny crybaby he is, and he’ll be forced by his own narcissism and egomania to lash out. In other words, this was a perfectly executed troll by the most powerful man in the world.

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1
Frankie Five Angels  Oct 18, 2016 • 10:03:14am

I’m really going to miss our President in January.

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Dr. Matt  Oct 18, 2016 • 10:04:12am

Trump has the swinger vote locked up.

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Dr Lizardo  Oct 18, 2016 • 10:06:04am

re: #2 Dr. Matt

I gotta wonder; think there will be a consolation key party at Trump Tower when he loses?

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freetoken  Oct 18, 2016 • 10:07:12am

re: #2 Dr. Matt

Howard Stern built his career on being a shock jock so this is not really surprising at all.

And the religious right has already written off any accusations of Drumpfskind’s salacious behavior because God uses broken vessels or something.

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Frankie Five Angels  Oct 18, 2016 • 10:07:56am

re: #3 Dr Lizardo

No.

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danarchy  Oct 18, 2016 • 10:08:41am

re: #2 Dr. Matt

Trump has the swinger vote locked up.

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So did Howard actually end up endorsing him like he said?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 18, 2016 • 10:12:30am

LOLOLOLOL!

What if we all Tweeted like Donald Trump?
Donald Trump has a very particular style when it comes to writing angry Tweets at 3am. Michael Spicer wonders how Trump would sound if he tweeted about ordinary things like doing the washing up and getting a new tumble dryer from Currys.1.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Oct 18, 2016 • 10:13:34am

Trump makes it so easy, he takes the bait every single time. It’s so easy to manipulate someone like that.

And I don’t think Trump even realizes he’s being played.

Imagine how a hostile state could take advantage of that in an international incident.

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EPR-radar  Oct 18, 2016 • 10:15:04am

re: #8 Eclectic Cyborg

Trump makes it so easy, he takes the bait every single time. It’s so easy to manipulate someone like that.

And I don’t think Trump even realizes he’s being played.

Imagine how a hostile state could take advantage of that in an international incident.

Putin could probably get Trump to give back Alaska based on alleged dissing of Trump by Alaska Republicans.

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piratedan  Oct 18, 2016 • 10:15:18am

last night watching Lawrence bring up the latest wiki-leaks bugaboo where someone implies that the State department is playing footsie with the FBI, i.e. u change the classification and we find room for more FBI overseas…

only problem was, it was the FBI approaching the state department, offering the deal. State said no deal and now the FBI agent that proposed this (now retired) is under investigation for sending said e-mail…

so essentially showing that context matters and in this case, State didn’t do anything wrong, in fact behaved as we would want them to. Complete nothingburger, not even any special sauce to be seen.

Fast forward to MSNBC this morning and they bring up the exact same incident, yet this morning, instead of applying anything that Lawrence O’D said last night, continue to pass this off as something potentially troubling at State. The guest analyst, former Fiorina campaign director…

what in the living fuck… don’t these people ever talk to each other?

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Belafon  Oct 18, 2016 • 10:15:19am

The people who put up that Arabic billboard that said “Donald Trump, he can’t read this, but he is afraid of it.” are the people who created Cards Against Humanity.

18-34 year olds support Clinton over Trump 68-20%.

(Both are Daily Kos links)

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lawhawk  Oct 18, 2016 • 10:16:58am

President Obama has needled Trump for years (see WH Correspondents Dinner). Therefore Trump’s rise must be Obama’s fault.

Seriously though, the President knows as well as everyone else that Trump is spectacularly unqualified to be President. That Trump’s already leaning on conspiracy theories to make the case he’s winning when practically every poll (and all the polling aggregates) show Trump losing by significant margins shows that Trump also knows he’s toast - but can’t admit that he’s run a crap campaign.

But Trump’s not alone in trying to claim stolen elections or other Democratic party malfeasance. You’ve got Trump fan Matt Drudge going full metal nativist/Islamophobic:

OMG, 65 million Americans don’t speak English as a first language.

The number of Spanish speakers has increased from 5% to 15%, reflecting rise of Hispanic Americans as one of the fastest growing minorities in the nation.

This gets to the appeal of Trump. He can’t stand that whites are a declining majority and he wants to “restore” their primacy.

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BeenHereAwhile  Oct 18, 2016 • 10:17:33am

re: #3 Dr Lizardo

I gotta wonder; think there will be a consolation key party at Trump Tower when he loses?

Surely they have a butler to walk down the bedroom hallways ringing a chime, at early morning light so all parties can return to their respective bedrooms in time to prepare for breakfast.

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Alyosha  Oct 18, 2016 • 10:18:20am

The Italian Prime Minister with whom President Obama conducted this press conference was also not one Silvio Berlusconi.

Ahem *best Dylan voice*

“The times, they are a’changin’”

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Eclectic Cyborg  Oct 18, 2016 • 10:18:25am

re: #11 Belafon

“Get me a jewish guy in here, I need to know what that says!”

“But Mr. Trump…”

“Did you hear what I said? Jewish guy, now!”

“(sigh)…right away sir.”

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wrenchwench  Oct 18, 2016 • 10:19:19am

When you’ve lost National Racists Online, it’s probably because you are not subtle and ‘intellectual’ enough.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 18, 2016 • 10:23:50am
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Charles Johnson  Oct 18, 2016 • 10:24:33am
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jeffreyw  Oct 18, 2016 • 10:26:03am

Soup’s On!

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Sionainn  Oct 18, 2016 • 10:26:09am

I had an appraiser come by this morning. I knew not to mention anything about politics to him because when he called to set up the appointment, he made a remark that he had to move to a better area because I was probably hearing O’Reilly in the background. Sure enough, when I asked him if he would be contacting me with the final appraisal number or if I got that from the bank, he started in on how the regulations changed with the meltdown in the housing market and mumbled something about how these stupid rules were put in place by “this president, or really, your president if that’s how you feel.” Good grief.

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The Madness of King Orange (aka Sophist)  Oct 18, 2016 • 10:26:32am

Well, if Obama was trying to provide a last second jolt to make sure Trump went into the last debate hot and bothered, I think he probably succeeded.

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BlueGrl21  Oct 18, 2016 • 10:26:44am

Our Commander-In-Chief has officially become our Troller-In-Chief. He’s hit Trump, Republicans in Congress supporting him, the Alt-Right.

His schadenfreude has to be EPIC. Absolutely transcendent. He is having a fabulous time giving them hell…and he deserves it.

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EPR-radar  Oct 18, 2016 • 10:27:19am

re: #16 wrenchwench

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When you’ve lost National Racists Online, it’s probably because you are not subtle and ‘intellectual’ enough.

I’m amused at NRO being obliged to spell out the GOP party line more explicitly. 1) US elections aren’t rigged, 2) ‘Voter fraud’ is a problem (contradicting point #1), therefore 3) we will continue to suppress minority turnout to combat this ‘voter fraud’ that we’ve admitted doesn’t change election outcomes.

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lawhawk  Oct 18, 2016 • 10:28:30am

Context matters. A lot.

A dead person can conceivably vote in the election. Imagine someone who has an absentee ballot and casts it because they’re too ill to go to the polling place on election day. After the ballot is mailed, the person dies. That fits the description of a dead person voting.

There’s no evidence that anyone is taking dead people’s ID information and going to polling places and voting in their stead. That’s just not happening.

Persons can still be on the voter rolls after the person has deceased because voter rolls are not purged in sync with the health department records. That doesn’t indicate anyone has actually voted using the deceased person’s’ information.

Other than that - the NRO has to admit that there’s no evidence of voter fraud. No matter how much they’ve looked, the most they come up with is voter rolls that have to be purged of persons no longer living in the district/county/state or are deceased (and recall in Brooklyn, the issue of voter roll purges came up in the context that the board of elections didn’t entirely follow the procedure to the letter, striking people from the voter rolls that should have remained eligible to vote).

In fact, the latter situation is far more detrimental since it means those votes are less likely to be counted, and can result in people losing their right to vote. Same deal goes for the voter ID laws and the laws GOPers are enacting across the nation to restrict access to the polls. The GOP has refused to fix issues with the VRA, meaning they’re enacting all kinds of restrictions without federal oversight that was previously in place to prevent or reduce chances of voter disenfranchisement.

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freetoken  Oct 18, 2016 • 10:29:23am

The bratfrats are pimping a story about Tarrant county doing a massive voting fraud investigation.

I’m not even going to bother to dig into the silliness of this one.

But once again we see Drumpfskind being the front face of the bratfrat madness.

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makeitstop  Oct 18, 2016 • 10:29:47am

re: #24 lawhawk

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Context matters. A lot.

A dead person can conceivably vote in the election. Imagine someone who has an absentee ballot and casts it because they’re too ill to go to the polling place on election day. After the ballot is mailed, the person dies. That fits the description of a dead person voting.

There’s no evidence that anyone is taking dead people’s ID information and going to polling places and voting in their stead. That’s just not happening.

Persons can still be on the voter rolls after the person has deceased because voter rolls are not purged in sync with the health department records. That doesn’t indicate anyone has actually voted using the deceased person’s’ information.

Other than that - the NRO has to admit that there’s no evidence of voter fraud. No matter how much they’ve looked, the most they come up with is voter rolls that have to be purged of persons no longer living in the district/county/state or are deceased (and recall in Brooklyn, the issue of voter roll purges came up in the context that the board of elections didn’t entirely follow the procedure to the letter, striking people from the voter rolls that should have remained eligible to vote).

In fact, the latter situation is far more detrimental since it means those votes are less likely to be counted, and can result in people losing their right to vote. Same deal goes for the voter ID laws and the laws GOPers are enacting across the nation to restrict access to the polls. The GOP has refused to fix issues with the VRA, meaning they’re enacting all kinds of restrictions without federal oversight that was previously in place to prevent or reduce chances of voter disenfranchisement.

Didn’t Trump actually encourage terminally ill folks to vote?

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lawhawk  Oct 18, 2016 • 10:29:53am

re: #19 jeffreyw

That looks more like hummus than it does soup. Looks tasty either way!

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Dave In Austin  Oct 18, 2016 • 10:30:51am

Even O’Rielly is telling the Yam™ to quit whining.

Not sure about you folks, and I know to not count the chickens and all that, but there seems to be something different in the air today…..

I sense Victory in the air.

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Stanley Sea  Oct 18, 2016 • 10:31:21am

But don’t you dare say you met me on 5th Ave.
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Charles Johnson  Oct 18, 2016 • 10:35:27am
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The Madness of King Orange (aka Sophist)  Oct 18, 2016 • 10:36:12am

Also, bonus points for anyone who can guess where these were taken:

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Alyosha  Oct 18, 2016 • 10:36:13am

A repost, because it seems appropos,

In case you were wondering if farce might be involved in the policing of polling places.
Yes.
Yes it is.

With that, adieu.

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jeffreyw  Oct 18, 2016 • 10:36:48am

re: #27 lawhawk

That looks more like hummus than it does soup. Looks tasty either way!

Thanks! It’s cauliflower, potato, carrot, onion, celery, cheesy, bacon soup. Ran the stick blender hard and put it away wet.

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Stanley Sea  Oct 18, 2016 • 10:37:22am

re: #29 Stanley Sea

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But don’t you dare say you met me on 5th Ave.

HA, and a friend confirms the Melania meeting.

Among them is a friend who was with Stoynoff when she ran into Melania Trump later in N.Y.C.

The wife of the Republican nominee denies meeting Stoynoff after the attack, but Stoynoff’s friend Liza Herz remembers being there during the chance meeting.

“They chatted in a friendly way,” Herz, who met Stoynoff in college, says. “And what struck me most was that Melania was carrying a child and wearing heels.”

Why so stuck on this Melania?

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Jebediah, RBG  Oct 18, 2016 • 10:38:22am

re: #12 lawhawk

This gets to the appeal of Trump. He can’t stand that whites are a declining majority and he wants to “restore” their primacy.

By acting like a primate.

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danarchy  Oct 18, 2016 • 10:38:49am

re: #24 lawhawk

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Context matters. A lot.

A dead person can conceivably vote in the election. Imagine someone who has an absentee ballot and casts it because they’re too ill to go to the polling place on election day. After the ballot is mailed, the person dies. That fits the description of a dead person voting.

There’s no evidence that anyone is taking dead people’s ID information and going to polling places and voting in their stead. That’s just not happening.

From the article:
One of the most glaring cases was that of Sara Sosa in Colorado Springs. She died on Oct. 14, 2009. However, CBS4 uncovered voting records that showed ballots cast for Sosa in 2010, 2011, 2012 and 2013. Her husband, Miguel, died on Sept. 26, 2008. But CBS4 unearthed records showing that a vote was cast in his name the next year, 2009.

That certainly sounds like someone was illegally casting votes for dead people. Don’t get me wrong, I don’t think it rises to a scale that will actually affect anything and the voter fraud freakout is silly, but there is evidence it happens.

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Belafon  Oct 18, 2016 • 10:38:57am

It’s impossible,” Raymond said of rigging a presidential election. “The stuff he is talking about, it is ridiculous ― if it wasn’t so dangerous.” But Trump’s claims are dangerous: They’re “an existential threat to the republic.”

As DK put it, this guy should know:

Allen Raymond is a Republican operative who spent three months in prison for his efforts to steal a Senate election, so he’s something of an expert in the field. And he’s not the only one saying that even when it comes to doing something wrong, Donald Trump is doing it wrong.

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Sir John Barron  Oct 18, 2016 • 10:41:53am

re: #20 Sionainn

I had an appraiser come by this morning. I knew not to mention anything about politics to him because when he called to set up the appointment, he made a remark that he had to move to a better area because I was probably hearing O’Reilly in the background. Sure enough, when I asked him if he would be contacting me with the final appraisal number or if I got that from the bank, he started in on how the regulations changed with the meltdown in the housing market and mumbled something about how these stupid rules were put in place by “this president, or really, your president if that’s how you feel.” Good grief.

Very professional. Standards. Classy.

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Sionainn  Oct 18, 2016 • 10:42:07am

re: #31 Trumpia est omnis divisa in duo calathi(Sophist)

I could answer, but I cheated and Googled. Very spectacular photos!

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makeitstop  Oct 18, 2016 • 10:43:18am

This is interesting. Hadn’t seen it posted here yet.

Filmmaker Michael Moore has been working on an October surprise all of his own.

The “Bowling for Columbine” director announced on Twitter Tuesday that he’d been working in secret on a new documentary all about Republican nominee Donald Trump — and he’s premiering it right away.

The film, “Michael Moore in TrumpLand,” will screen Tuesday evening at New York City’s IFC Center. Tickets for the event will be handed out for free on a first come, first served basis starting one hour before the film’s 9:30 p.m. showtime.

Cool, another thing for Trump to be all pissy about heading into the debate.

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Dr. Matt  Oct 18, 2016 • 10:43:25am

When Obama and O’Reilly see eye-to-eye, you know things aren’t going well for Trump.

Someone call a Priest to see if Hell has froze over
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Sionainn  Oct 18, 2016 • 10:43:59am

re: #38 Sir John Barron

Very professional. Standards. Classy.

/

Fucker better come in with a number I need to get the interest rate I want on this refi!

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Dr. Matt  Oct 18, 2016 • 10:45:20am

Remember When Donald Trump Called Condoleezza Rice A Bitch?

DONALD TRUMP sounded like he would fire Secretary of State Rice if he got the chance - calling her a “b——” last night during a speech in front of 8,000 people at the Javits Center. Trump, star of “The Apprentice” and a frequent critic of the Bush administration, unleashed his anger at Rice and outgoing Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld during a keynote address at the Learning Annex Real Estate & Wealth Expo. “Condoleezza Rice, she’s a lovely woman, but I think she’s a b——,” Trump said to wild applause. “She goes around to other countries and other nations, negotiates with their leaders, comes back and nothing ever happens.

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lawhawk  Oct 18, 2016 • 10:46:27am

If Fox News is moving Texas from solid Republican to leaning, you know Trump’s screwed. If he can’t keep Texas solidly in the GOP camp, he’s going to lose a whole bunch of those battleground states and a few more that no one was counting on. It’s a numbers game.

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ObserverArt  Oct 18, 2016 • 10:46:53am

re: #21 Trumpia est omnis divisa in duo calathi(Sophist)

Well, if Obama was trying to provide a last second jolt to make sure Trump went into the last debate hot and bothered, I think he probably succeeded.

Sure does seem like this was the goal. Hillary might not even need to say anything, well maybe a small “boo,” as Trump is going to go off no matter what. It will be his only hope.

He has to be more Trump than usual because he seems to think that works and gathers him the most attention. So, good time for the Obamas, Liz Warren, Bernie Sanders, Uncle Joe and others to light him up as he will try to answer everyone’s criticism without ever getting to the debate topics.

Problem is attention is not votes. I think he has long gotten people to watch because he is a show if nothing else. He thinks that will transfer to votes. I think he is going to be surprised.

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sizzzzlerz  Oct 18, 2016 • 10:47:22am

re: #33 jeffreyw

Thanks! It’s cauliflower, potato, carrot, onion, celery, cheesy, bacon soup. Ran the stick blender hard and put it away wet.

LOL!

Can I haz recipe?

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sagehen  Oct 18, 2016 • 10:47:29am

re: #19 jeffreyw

Soup’s On!

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Is that corn chowder?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 18, 2016 • 10:49:25am
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lawhawk  Oct 18, 2016 • 10:49:32am
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William Lewis  Oct 18, 2016 • 10:50:09am

re: #33 jeffreyw

Thanks! It’s cauliflower, potato, carrot, onion, celery, cheesy, bacon soup. Ran the stick blender hard and put it away wet.

Looks almost as good as my Leek Potato (with carrot & celery) soup. I hit the pot with butter and cream after the blender too.

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Eventual Carrion  Oct 18, 2016 • 10:50:17am

re: #17 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Kinda makes you wonder who has been doing the “rigging”.

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Reality Based Steve  Oct 18, 2016 • 10:51:45am

Of course the wingnut spin will be

OBAMA Admits that the election is rigged!!! Tells Trump that he just has to accept it. MOLON LABE!!!!!!!!

When the President trolls you, you’ve been trolled epicly.

RBS

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freetoken  Oct 18, 2016 • 10:53:17am

With the latest NOAA monthly analysis somes many wire stories… and Bloomberg has a couple today. Downstairs I posted their editorial, here is the report on the monthly NOAA numbers:

After 16 Months of Record Heat, It’s Time to Elect a President

And they continue the lament:

Debate moderators haven’t posed a single direct question about climate change.

Probably because climate change is not an election-turning topic.

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freetoken  Oct 18, 2016 • 10:55:10am

Last weeks big international agreement on HFC’s is already dead in the water in the US Senate.

And I doubt this election will change that.

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dangerman  Oct 18, 2016 • 10:58:02am

trump has no path to victory

from the washington post via politicalwire.com

Stuart Rothenberg: “It would be a mistake to call Trump’s current path to an electoral college victory narrow. It is nonexistent. Pennsylvania, Michigan and Wisconsin, once part of the Trump scenario,have never been ‘in play,’ and he is not competitive in 2012 states Obama won only narrowly, such as Virginia and Colorado. Trump is more likely to lose North Carolina than win it, which would put him under 200 electoral votes.”

“Frankly, the writing has been on the wall for months about this race. You simply needed to look at the candidates, their campaign teams, the map and the voters.”

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CuriousLurker  Oct 18, 2016 • 10:58:43am

re: #12 lawhawk

LOL, the way it’s framed you’d think there were hordes (65 million!) of Arabic speaking niqabis swarming into the U.S. *eyeroll*

According to Pew, the TOTAL population of Muslims in the U.S. is estimated to be 3.3 million, and I’m quite sure the vast majority speak English (not to mention they come from a wide variety of non-Arabic speaking ethnicities). So we’ve jumped from 0.9% to approximately a whopping 1%, so… ZOMG, time to sound the alarms!

The “scary” niqabis? They’re a tiny minority, so the number of niqabis who speak ONLY Arabic is an undoubtedly infinitesimal portion of the U.S. population.

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Sir John Barron  Oct 18, 2016 • 10:59:08am

re: #53 freetoken

With the latest NOAA monthly analysis somes many wire stories… and Bloomberg has a couple today. Downstairs I posted their editorial, here is the report on the monthly NOAA numbers:

After 16 Months of Record Heat, It’s Time to Elect a President

And they continue the lament:

Probably because climate change is not an election-turning topic.

I know a day’s temperature isn’t the same thing as climate, but it’s a balmy 80 degrees here in central Maryland on October 18. Feels a little weird. But it was a great day to jog.

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freetoken  Oct 18, 2016 • 10:59:22am

re: #55 dangerman

Dewey beat Truman?

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jaunte  Oct 18, 2016 • 11:01:06am
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Charles Johnson  Oct 18, 2016 • 11:01:33am
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Dr. Matt  Oct 18, 2016 • 11:02:06am

re: #55 dangerman

Stuart Rothenberg: “It would be a mistake to call Trump’s current path to an electoral college victory narrow. It is nonexistent. Pennsylvania, Michigan and Wisconsin, once part of the Trump scenario, have never been ‘in play,’ and he is not competitive in 2012 states Obama won only narrowly, such as Virginia and Colorado. Trump is more likely to lose North Carolina than win it, which would put him under 200 electoral votes.”

Last night GOP-cabana boy Mark Halperin actually repeating over and over that Trump “is in striking distance” of getting 270 EVs.

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The Madness of King Orange (aka Sophist)  Oct 18, 2016 • 11:02:13am

re: #53 freetoken

Probably because climate change is not an election-turning topic.

No, just a civilization-turning one.

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Jay C  Oct 18, 2016 • 11:02:33am

re: #55 dangerman

I think this is the bit that should have been bolded:

“Frankly, the writing has been on the wall for months about this race. You simply needed to look at the candidates, their campaign teams, the map and the voters.”

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S'latch  Oct 18, 2016 • 11:03:41am

Italian Prime Minister Matteo Renzi’s facial expressions are like “Well-stated, Mr. President. Good job.”

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wrenchwench  Oct 18, 2016 • 11:04:01am

re: #60 Charles Johnson

[@NRO How can you “eliminate” something that doesn’t actually exist?]

We can’t say it doesn’t exist.

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The Madness of King Orange (aka Sophist)  Oct 18, 2016 • 11:05:22am

re: #55 dangerman

“Frankly, the writing has been on the wall for months about this race. You simply needed to look at the candidates, their campaign teams, the map and the voters.”

“THE ELECTORATE IS RIGGING THIS ELECTION FOR CROOKED HILLARY!!!”

—Donald Trump after the debate, probably

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Smith25's Liberal Thighs  Oct 18, 2016 • 11:05:36am

As Wheat-Dogg pointed out in the last thread, yes those are KY drivers licensees.

KY does not have a strict voter ID law, although you must be positively identified by at least one of the polling workers at your specific precinct. A drivers licence is an accepted form of identification, but not required. I have never had to show an ID to vote in my life(about to turn 37 week before election day). At least in Lexington and Louisville, there are so many voting precincts that there is a great chance there will be a poll worker who could identify 90% of the voters they will encounter. Also assists in keeping lines short. Longest I ever waited in line was 20 minutes, and that was at lunch hour in 2008.

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Dr Lizardo  Oct 18, 2016 • 11:05:39am

re: #61 Dr. Matt

Last night GOP-cabana boy Mark Halperin actually repeated over and over that Trump “is in striking distance” of getting 270 EVs.

Good thing I’m not a news reporter or doing interviews, because my follow-up question to that statement would be something like, “Tell me of your homeworld, Usul….oops, Mr. Halperin.”

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Charles Johnson  Oct 18, 2016 • 11:07:51am

re: #36 danarchy

From the article:
One of the most glaring cases was that of Sara Sosa in Colorado Springs. She died on Oct. 14, 2009. However, CBS4 uncovered voting records that showed ballots cast for Sosa in 2010, 2011, 2012 and 2013. Her husband, Miguel, died on Sept. 26, 2008. But CBS4 unearthed records showing that a vote was cast in his name the next year, 2009.

That certainly sounds like someone was illegally casting votes for dead people. Don’t get me wrong, I don’t think it rises to a scale that will actually affect anything and the voter fraud freakout is silly, but there is evidence it happens.

But we’re talking about a handful of cases — not even 50! — out of billions of votes cast. In statistical terms this is completely meaningless, and might as well be zero.

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Dr. Matt  Oct 18, 2016 • 11:08:04am

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CuriousLurker  Oct 18, 2016 • 11:08:14am

So the whole rigged election thing can only mean that the Orange Vulgarian is certain he’s going to lose. I mean, if he won after whining for weeks & weeks about the process being rigged, then it would have been rigged in his favor, right?

I’m fairly certain he’s be totes okay with THAT.

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Sir John Barron  Oct 18, 2016 • 11:09:19am

re: #71 CuriousLurker

So the whole rigged election thing can only mean that the Orange Vulgarian is certain he’s going to lose. I mean, if he won after whining for weeks & weeks about the process being rigged, then it would have been rigged in his favor, right?

I’m fairly certain he’s be totes okay with THAT.

Remember all during the primaries when Drumpf bragged nonstop about his poll numbers?

Man, that was great.

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KGxvi  Oct 18, 2016 • 11:09:23am

re: #8 Eclectic Cyborg

Trump makes it so easy, he takes the bait every single time. It’s so easy to manipulate someone like that.

And I don’t think Trump even realizes he’s being played.

Imagine how a hostile state could take advantage of that in an international incident.

Considering that it already looks like Putin is playing him, I’m guessing things would not end well. I mean, he already said in the last debate that his answer to Syria is to throw in with Assad, Putin, and the Mullahs in Tehran.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 18, 2016 • 11:09:27am

re: #71 CuriousLurker

So the whole rigged election thing can only mean that the Orange Vulgarian is certain he’s going to lose. I mean, if he won after whining for weeks & weeks about the process being rigged, then it would have been rigged in his favor, right?

I’m fairly certain he’s be totes okay with THAT.

Except it’s only Democrats who rig elections…

/

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ObserverArt  Oct 18, 2016 • 11:09:27am

re: #60 Charles Johnson

Charles Johnson ✔ @Green_Footballs
@NRO How can you “eliminate” something that doesn’t actually exist?
1:57 PM - 18 Oct 2016

Now now Charles, there has been a few cases of fraud…so they exist.

With conservatives the fact there are any is an indictment of the whole system.

It would be like 3 emails being the whole case of Hillary being reckless with confidential info like state secrets.

Numbers count. And any number, no matter the details behind them are too many numbers and the people associated must be put in prison.

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jeffreyw  Oct 18, 2016 • 11:09:35am

re: #46 sizzzzlerz

LOL!

Can I haz recipe?

This was a two stage soup, I started it as a basic cauliflower soup - chop a head of cauliflower into smallish pieces and roast them in a spritz of olive oil until they brown. In the meantime sweat a chopped onion, a rib or two of celery, and a couple of carrots in a little oil until tender, add stock and the cauliflower and simmer some more. Puree with a stick blender. Make a roux of butter and flour and whisk in milk over med low heat until it thickens, add shredded cheese to make a cheese (mornay) sauce. Blend the veggie puree and the cheese sauce. I served this for lunch yesterday with a dollop of sour cream:

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It was pretty bland. Today I added a couple of potatoes that had simmered in chicken broth to the leftover cauliflower soup and blended those in well, then added a few slices of crispy bacon crumbles. It was much better today. That’s Creole seasoning sprinkled atop both soups.

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jaunte  Oct 18, 2016 • 11:09:46am

zre: #71 CuriousLurker

If Trump can lean Texas purple, it’s cause for celebration.

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dangerman  Oct 18, 2016 • 11:10:29am

re: #63 Jay C

I think this is the bit that should have been bolded:

i was gonna just bold the whole thing…..

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Stanley Sea  Oct 18, 2016 • 11:12:02am
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freetoken  Oct 18, 2016 • 11:13:03am

re: #75 ObserverArt

In 2014, when the outcry of voter fraud was being pimped hard by the hate-right, I put up a Page which touched on this issue:

Academics Ask: Do Non-Citizens Vote in U.S. Elections? (Answer - Yes)

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Belafon  Oct 18, 2016 • 11:14:44am

re: #75 ObserverArt

Now now Charles, there has been a few cases of fraud…so they exist.

With conservatives the fact there are any is an indictment of the whole system.

It would be like 3 emails being the whole case of Hillary being reckless with confidential info like state secrets.

Numbers count. And any number, no matter the details behind them are too many numbers and the people associated must be put in prison.

Even when that number is 0.

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jaunte  Oct 18, 2016 • 11:17:55am

Every so often, I enjoy a good long Matthew Chapman argument over lunch.
Excerpt:

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KGxvi  Oct 18, 2016 • 11:18:08am

re: #79 Stanley Sea

Whitman lost the gubernatorial race here in California in 2010 to Jerry Brown, 54-41. Which is probably as well as any Republican (non-Arnold division) can expect to do statewide out here. I wonder if she will be part of the non-Trumpian future for the GOP?

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freetoken  Oct 18, 2016 • 11:18:57am

re: #83 KGxvi

The GOP has a future?

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Jebediah, RBG  Oct 18, 2016 • 11:19:11am

re: #61 Dr. Matt

Last night GOP-cabana boy Mark Halperin actually repeating over and over that Trump “is in striking distance” of getting 270 EVs.

The only way that assdrip is getting 270 EVs is if we are talking about electron-volts. I will be happy, but not enormously surprised, if he ends up getting fewer than 100 EC votes.

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Charles Johnson  Oct 18, 2016 • 11:19:19am
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KGxvi  Oct 18, 2016 • 11:19:42am

re: #84 freetoken

In the short term (2-8 years), sure. In the longer term? Fuck if I know.

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Jenner7  Oct 18, 2016 • 11:20:14am
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Sir John Barron  Oct 18, 2016 • 11:20:52am

re: #61 Dr. Matt

Last night GOP-cabana boy Mark Halperin actually repeating over and over that Trump “is in striking distance” of getting 270 EVs.

Halperin is just the worst. A complete disgrace. He should just go work for Trump or some other Republican official.

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Sir John Barron  Oct 18, 2016 • 11:21:33am

re: #88 Jenner7

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sounds about right. Hope she makes a serious play for Arizona.

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MsJ  Oct 18, 2016 • 11:22:39am

re: #2 Dr. Matt

Just. Gag. Me. Before. I. Puke.

I didn’t think this guys could get more disgusting.

Is there even a floor here? GROSS.

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sagehen  Oct 18, 2016 • 11:26:26am

re: #88 Jenner7

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The Al Smith dinner is usually pretty good; both candidates have to try to be funny, but slightly less pointed than the Correspondents’ Dinner. (if either candidate is too crude with their “humor”, it pisses off the Cardinal and every priest in the country will convey their harsh opinion about it to their congregation)

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MsJ  Oct 18, 2016 • 11:27:01am

re: #18 Charles Johnson

Isn’t this really much simpler

?

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freetoken  Oct 18, 2016 • 11:27:51am

re: #87 KGxvi

Snarky as I was, I think the GOP may be in a position to find it hard to be successful on a national level until an entire generation is turned over.

If, as some people now think, Hillary will win by a large number of popular votes, that means an overwhelming majority of young people will vote Democratic. Which increases the likelihood that they will do so in the next election too.

So this feedback loop into American polity can set very long term paths for our country.

Also important is that the RNC machinery now seems to be fully in the hands of the religious right and wingnuts. The old Gerald Ford wing is now gone, Romney being the last one to stack the RNC in his favor, and that was more about Romney selling himself as something (a “conservative”) that he was not, in the current definition of that term by the wingnuts.

In other words, the pretense is gone now from the Republicans, that they are a center-right party. There is no “center” there anymore.

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Jay C  Oct 18, 2016 • 11:28:17am

re: #83 KGxvi

Whitman lost the gubernatorial race here in California in 2010 to Jerry Brown, 54-41. Which is probably as well as any Republican (non-Arnold division) can expect to do statewide out here. I wonder if she will be part of the non-Trumpian future for the GOP?

Maybe some Left Coast Lizards can correct me if I’m wrong, but did Meg Whitman ever have much of a future (or past) with the CA GOP?
ISTR that her Senate and Gov runs were pretty much self-financed, and that the CA Republicans (much as they did with Arnold) only tolerated her to the extent she could pay her own way.

Disclaimer: I haven’t followed California politics very closely since I moved away (in Jerry Brown’s second term!), but isn’t the GOP heirarchy there still pretty much a closed club of troglodytic plutocrats?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 18, 2016 • 11:28:24am

re: #57 Sir John Barron

I know a day’s temperature isn’t the same thing as climate, but it’s a balmy 80 degrees here in central Maryland on October 18. Feels a little weird. But it was a great day to jog.

It’s 83F here in eastern Kentucky right now. Supposed to drop to 40F by Friday night.
This. is. nutz.

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wrenchwench  Oct 18, 2016 • 11:30:00am

re: #82 jaunte

Every so often, I enjoy a good long Matthew Chapman argument over lunch.
Excerpt:

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He has amazing persistence.

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freetoken  Oct 18, 2016 • 11:30:52am

re: #95 Jay C

The Republican party here is functionally of importance in only a few local areas, mostly the rural mountain counties in the central and northern areas, and the religious-right stronghold of parts of Orange county and western Riverside county and extending that into parts of San Diego county.

The Arnold-division is mostly about celebrity politics.

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freetoken  Oct 18, 2016 • 11:31:22am

For example, the US Senate race here this year is between two Democrats. No Republicans allowed.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 18, 2016 • 11:34:03am

re: #74 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Except it’s only Democrats who rig elections…

/

That’s why in Kentucky, where there are way more registered Democrats than Republicans, and our elections are overseen by a Democrat, we have two GOP US Senators, only one US Congresscritter is a Democrat, and a goofy ass Republican governor…

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lawhawk  Oct 18, 2016 • 11:34:17am

That’d be a domestic terrorist for the uninitiated.

Just because someone is a serial arsonist who targets specific outlets because of their beliefs or products produced doesn’t mean that they aren’t a domestic terrorist as well. That’s actually what makes them domestic terrorists, because they’re hoping the use of force terrorizes people into not providing those functions.

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CuriousLurker  Oct 18, 2016 • 11:34:39am

re: #67 Smith25’s Liberal Thighs

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As Wheat-Dogg pointed out in the last thread, yes those are KY drivers licensees.KY does not have a strict voter ID law, although you must be positively identified by at least one of the polling workers at your specific precinct. A drivers licence is an accepted form of identification, but not required. I have never had to show an ID to vote in my life(about to turn 37 week before election day). At least in Lexington and Louisville, there are so many voting precincts that there is a great chance there will be a poll worker who could identify 90% of the voters they will encounter. Also assists in keeping lines short. Longest I ever waited in line was 20 minutes, and that was at lunch hour in 2008.

They may well be KY driver’s licenses, but how do we know where that guy is? According to CBS, China was mass producing large quantities of near-perfect licenses and flooding the U.S. with them back in 2014 by selling them online.

So that guy could be anywhere. As a matter of fact, he has that sort of classic broad, rounded, heavy-boned Slavic/Eurasian face with high cheekbones and almond shaped eyes, so he could easily be Eastern European/Russian. Just sayin’…

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sagehen  Oct 18, 2016 • 11:35:21am

re: #95 Jay C

Disclaimer: I haven’t followed California politics very closely since I moved away (in Jerry Brown’s second term!), but isn’t the GOP heirarchy there still pretty much a closed club of troglodytic plutocrats?

There really hasn’t been a functional California GOP since prop 187 (1994).

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CuriousLurker  Oct 18, 2016 • 11:40:13am

re: #102 CuriousLurker

Link to CBS article about Chinese fake licenses added—refresh to view.

The only reason I’m even bringing up that the guy could be anywhere is because the meme is coming from a GOP Twitter account—wingnut Twitter posts a lot of fake and/or misrepresented photos.

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Charles Johnson  Oct 18, 2016 • 11:45:03am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 18, 2016 • 11:45:36am

Speaking of Kentucky drivers license, this happened:
Feds deny Kentucky more time to comply with tougher driver’s license rules

FRANKFORT

The federal government has denied Kentucky’s request for a one-year extension to comply with regulations known as Real ID, requiring tougher standards for driver’s licenses and identification cards.

The immediate effects on Kentucky residents are minimal, but if the state does not comply by 2018 residents won’t be able to use their state-issued license to board planes for domestic flights.

Gov. Matt Bevin earlier this year vetoed legislation that would have put Kentucky into compliance.

The new driver’s license would have been optional under the vetoed legislation, which would have raised the drivers’ license fee to $48 from $20 and made licenses good for eight years instead of four years. It also would have required residents to bring their birth certificates and Social Security cards when renewing their license.

Bevin said it became clear in this year’s legislative session that there was tremendous opposition and misunderstanding about the bill that he had initially supported.

The Republican governor said it is important that “Kentucky’s voters have the ability to see what effect, if any, the next presidential administration will have on this issue.”

The proposal is expected to be taken up again in Kentucky’s 2017 General Assembly, which begins in January.

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freetoken  Oct 18, 2016 • 11:47:16am

Though posted only a short while ago, this WaPo article has over 1.5k comments:

Clinton holds clear advantage in new battleground polls

The results underscore the importance for Trump of Wednesday’s final presidential debate, which will be held in Las Vegas. National polls have moved in Clinton’s direction since the exchanges began in late September. Her current average margin is seven points in polling averages from the Huffington Post Pollster and RealClearPolitics. The most recent Washington Post-ABC News poll put her national lead over Trump at four points.

I have not seen any indication that Drumpfskind is plastic enough to change his essence - which is an obnoxious bully - in time to put forward a whole new and improved Drumpfskind for Wednesday night.

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KGxvi  Oct 18, 2016 • 11:49:16am

re: #99 freetoken

For example, the US Senate race here this year is between two Democrats. No Republicans allowed.

The top 6 Republicans in the open primary this year got a combined 22% of the vote. But the truth is, the CAGOP couldn’t get anyone noteworthy to run. I had literally never heard of any of the Republican candidates (and two of them were former state party chairmen). There were a few Republicans that might have been able to beat Sanchez’s 19% if they consolidated the GOP vote - but none of them were apparently interested in running.

Until the open primary was adopted, I believed the GOP would have to eventually make some sort of comeback because typically you need two functioning political parties. But what we may likely see going forward in California is general elections featuring a moderate Democrat and a more progressive Democrat.

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Interesting Times  Oct 18, 2016 • 11:50:02am

Just watched the video of Pres. Obama - did anyone catch the not-so-subtle subtext at approx. the 0:52 mark?

Democracy by definition works by consent, not by force.

Emphasis mine.

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dangerman  Oct 18, 2016 • 11:51:00am

re: #107 freetoken

Though posted only a short while ago, this WaPo article has over 1.5k comments:

Clinton holds clear advantage in new battleground polls

I have not seen any indication that Drumpfskind is plastic enough to change his essence - which is an obnoxious bully - in time to put forward a whole new and improved Drumpfskind for Wednesday night.

i refer back to my #55 and to reiterate that electorally, trump has never led, not even one day

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Mike Lamb  Oct 18, 2016 • 11:52:03am

re: #107 freetoken

Though posted only a short while ago, this WaPo article has over 1.5k comments:

Clinton holds clear advantage in new battleground polls

I have not seen any indication that Drumpfskind is plastic enough to change his essence - which is an obnoxious bully - in time to put forward a whole new and improved Drumpfskind for Wednesday night.

I think people are also dramatically over stating how much of an impact the debate will have on the end result.

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freetoken  Oct 18, 2016 • 11:52:26am

Governor Deplorable strikes again:

LePage says Maine election process could be rigged; Dunlap denies governor’s claim

[…]

“I’m not confident of a clean election in Maine,” LePage, sidestepping a comment by the show’s hosts, Ric Tyler and George Hale, who noted that he was elected twice under Maine’s current election system. “The Democrat party insists on not having IDs. Will people from the cemetery be voting? Yes.”

[…]

The governor said Democrats want everyone to vote, “whether they’re citizens or not.” He said that there are some counties in the country where more people vote than there are residents, although he did not provide any details where that might be occurring and the show’s hosts didn’t question his claim.

LePage said opposition to voter IDs is based on Democrats’ desire to win elections.

But Maine Secretary of State Matthew Dunlap said the state has a system designed to detect voter fraud and Maine’s practice of using paper ballots, counted by electronic means, provides a backup to ensure that tallies reflect the actual votes.

[…]

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freetoken  Oct 18, 2016 • 11:53:28am

So now we have two governors who are trying to cover Drumpfskind’s ass:

Governor Deplorable (Maine)
Governor Nepotism (Iowa)

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Sir John Barron  Oct 18, 2016 • 11:54:46am

re: #112 freetoken

Governor Deplorable really is deplorable.

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Sir John Barron  Oct 18, 2016 • 11:55:52am

re: #113 freetoken

So now we have two governors who are trying to cover Drumpfskind’s ass:

Governor Deplorable (Maine)
Governor Nepotism (Iowa)

Governor Really Deplorable (Texas) as well. Said he was going to “crush illegal voting”. Even if it doesn’t exist.

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Eventual Carrion  Oct 18, 2016 • 11:57:26am

re: #115 Sir John Barron

Governor Really Deplorable (Texas) as well. Said he was going to “crush illegal voting”. Even if it doesn’t exist.

Well here in NW PA I crushed “lion attacks on school children on the playground”.

SUCCESS!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 18, 2016 • 11:57:50am
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ObserverArt  Oct 18, 2016 • 11:58:37am

re: #96 Backwoods_Sleuth

It’s 83F here in eastern Kentucky right now. Supposed to drop to 40F by Friday night.
This. is. nutz.

82° here in Columbus and could get as warm as 85° which would be a record for the date. I think 83° is the current record.

I like the dips and dives that come in the fall in this part of the country. It does seem like they can be a bit more drastic than I remember, probably due to more warmth.

Still hoping we have a mild winter. The longer we get these kinds of temps the more it makes me think we are on the way.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 18, 2016 • 11:59:31am

re: #118 ObserverArt

82° here in Columbus and could get as warm as 85° which would be a record for the date. I think 83° is the current record.

I like the dips and dives that come in the fall in this part of the country. It does seem like they can be a bit more drastic than I remember, probably due to more warmth.

Still hoping we have a mild winter. The longer we get these kinds of temps the more it makes me think we are on the way.

NWS had this little factoid yesterday:

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wrenchwench  Oct 18, 2016 • 11:59:55am

re: #117 Backwoods_Sleuth

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She works with flies, right? She’ll get ‘em!

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freetoken  Oct 18, 2016 • 12:00:59pm

re: #117 Backwoods_Sleuth

This is a subtle reference to the study that was reported on last week, about how jumping spiders can hear people across the room?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 18, 2016 • 12:02:10pm

eeeeeewwwwwwww

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sagehen  Oct 18, 2016 • 12:02:22pm
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thecommodore  Oct 18, 2016 • 12:02:24pm

“Of course, everyone (including Obama) realizes this is going to absolutely enrage Trump, being called out as the whiny crybaby he is, and he’ll be forced by his own narcissism and egomania to lash out. In other words, this was a perfectly executed troll by the most powerful black man in the world.”

FIFY.

Remember how Obama burned Trump to a crisp at the ‘11 correspondents dinner? Some have said this spurred.Trump to want to run, but you could tell he was seething. And remember, the shackles are off.

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KGxvi  Oct 18, 2016 • 12:02:45pm

re: #115 Sir John Barron

Governor Really Deplorable (Texas) as well. Said he was going to “crush illegal voting”. Even if it doesn’t exist.

Brownback must be really pissed that he’s got so much competition for the title of Worst Governor in America.

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ObserverArt  Oct 18, 2016 • 12:04:13pm

re: #111 Mike Lamb

I think people are also dramatically over stating how much of an impact the debate will have on the end result.

Would those “people” be the TV execs and marketing departments?

Why, I think they just might be!

Trump has planted himself where he is at. The only direction he can go is down in my opinion. But, I never doubt his talents for doing something in the debate that does just that.

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freetoken  Oct 18, 2016 • 12:04:35pm

The Purge is well underway:

Trump loyalty test exposes new crack in GOP unity

Fallout continued Tuesday over Michigan Republican Party Chairwoman Ronna Romney McDaniel’s removal from party leadership Monday of grassroots vice chair Wendy Day for refusing to support controversial GOP presidential nominee Donald Trump.

[…]

Some in the party were saying that any purge of party leaders must now be extended to ethnic vice chair Darwin Jiles, Jr., who according to the Lansing newsletter Michigan Information & Research Service (MIRS) has twice refused to endorse Trump when questioned by reporters. Jiles could not be reached Tuesday.

[…]

Removal of Day, a tea party activist, has exposed a new crack in a party often seen as divided between its establishment and tea party factions. With Day’s removal from party leadership, the tea party, or “liberty” faction, also is split.

Wes Nakagiri, a tea party activist who challenged Lt. Gov. Brian Calley for his post in 2014, said Tuesday he supports McDaniel’s decision but he agrees there is a tea party split over Trump.

[…]

It strikes me as odd to find a report where two right-wing factions are fighting to purge each other, but not illogical.

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freetoken  Oct 18, 2016 • 12:06:10pm

When your ideology is no-compromise-at-any-cost, I guess one has to have party splits.

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thecommodore  Oct 18, 2016 • 12:07:08pm

re: #99 freetoken

For example, the US Senate race here this year is between two Democrats. No Republicans allowed.

Two Democratic women, no less.

That’s because of a voter initiative passed a couple of years back that allows for the top two vote-getters in any Statewide or legislative primary to face off in the general regardless of party.

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Belafon  Oct 18, 2016 • 12:08:06pm

re: #125 KGxvi

Brownback must be really pissed that he’s got so much competition for the title of Worst Governor in America.

The difference between Brownback and Abbott in this case is that the Texas governor is pretty weak. Brownback is earning the title.

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Dr. Matt  Oct 18, 2016 • 12:13:34pm
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freetoken  Oct 18, 2016 • 12:13:35pm

Vogue Endorses Hillary Clinton for President of the United States

For all the chaos and unpredictability and the sometimes appalling spectacle of this election season, the question of which candidate actually deserves to be president has never been a difficult one.

Vogue has no history of political endorsements. Editors in chief have made their opinions known from time to time, but the magazine has never spoken in an election with a single voice. Given the profound stakes of this one, and the history that stands to be made, we feel that should change.

[…]

Drumpfskind if forcing editorial boards out of their usually-comfy middling ground.

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Dave In Austin  Oct 18, 2016 • 12:13:43pm

Listening to Yam on the radio. He doesn’t sound too enthusiastic today. Droning on.

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gocart mozart  Oct 18, 2016 • 12:13:53pm
It strikes me as odd to find a report where two right-wing factions are fighting to purge each other, but not illogical.

People’s Front for the Making of America Great Again vs. the Make America Great Again People’s Front. Splitters!

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Barefoot Grin  Oct 18, 2016 • 12:14:47pm

Sad to hear about shooting death of Tyson Gay’s 15-year-old daughter, Trinity. We lived about a block from Lafayette High School where Tyson was an alum and Trinity a promising runner and outstanding student for a couple of years. The shooting wasn’t too far away. I never felt unsafe in Lexington, but I was never out at 4am.

foxsports.com

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Dr Lizardo  Oct 18, 2016 • 12:16:10pm

re: #133 Dave In Austin

Listening to Yam on the radio. He doesn’t sound too enthusiastic today. Droning on.

Trump’s raving lunacy has been covered here in the Czech media - in conversations today with my students, the general consensus is that he knows he’s going to lose and that he’s pretty much just desperately flailing at this point.

So I got to introduce a new little idiom to them: Flop sweat.

Heh.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 18, 2016 • 12:17:27pm

re: #133 Dave In Austin

Listening to Yam on the radio. He doesn’t sound too enthusiastic today. Droning on.

he’s whining:

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Sir John Barron  Oct 18, 2016 • 12:18:37pm

re: #133 Dave In Austin

Listening to Yam on the radio. He doesn’t sound too enthusiastic today. Droning on.

Is this his TERM LIMITS FOR CONGRESS speech that his brain-dead advisors have pushed on him?

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The Madness of King Orange (aka Sophist)  Oct 18, 2016 • 12:18:46pm

re: #127 freetoken

The Purge is well underway:

Trump loyalty test exposes new crack in GOP unity

It strikes me as odd to find a report where two right-wing factions are fighting to purge each other, but not illogical.

we should be united against the common enemy - the judean people’s front!

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sagehen  Oct 18, 2016 • 12:19:27pm

OT: want opinions about some of the new TV shows I haven’t watched yet.

Bull
Notorious
Son of Zorn
Aftermath
Channel Zero
Falling Water
MacGyver
Van Helsing

Worth my time? Anyone?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 18, 2016 • 12:19:29pm
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Dave In Austin  Oct 18, 2016 • 12:19:59pm

I feel like the worm is turning…..

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Interesting Times  Oct 18, 2016 • 12:20:02pm

re: #132 freetoken

Vogue Endorses Hillary Clinton for President of the United States

The 1993 Annie Leibovitz photo of HRC in that article is incredible. Hope (if all goes well on Nov 8th, no jinxies) she does a repeat for Jan 2017 :)

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Belafon  Oct 18, 2016 • 12:20:59pm

re: #140 sagehen

OT: want opinions about some of the new TV shows I haven’t watched yet.

Bull
Notorious
Son of Zorn
Aftermath
Channel Zero
Falling Water
MacGyver
Van Helsing

Worth my time? Anyone?

My son likes Channel Zero. He also likes Penny Dreadful, American Horror Story, Twin Peaks, and Samantha Bee, just so you know his choices.

Edit: And the Twilight Zone. He’s 16.

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freetoken  Oct 18, 2016 • 12:21:57pm

re: #140 sagehen

OT: want opinions about some of the new TV shows I haven’t watched yet.

Bull
Notorious
Son of Zorn
Aftermath
Channel Zero
Falling Water
MacGyver
Van Helsing

Worth my time? Anyone?

I’ve not bothered with them either. The only new show that has impressed me is Westworld but I’ve only seen the first episode. And because I like sci-fi, also checked out Timeless, though it strikes me as not a strong attempt at time-travel. The new Frequency is probably a better choice in that genre.

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Belafon  Oct 18, 2016 • 12:22:16pm

re: #132 freetoken

Vogue Endorses Hillary Clinton for President of the United States

Drumpfskind if forcing editorial boards out of their usually-comfy middling ground.

If it wasn’t for the fact that there’s a chance Trump could end up in office, the country probably needs a periodic existential crisis.

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Skip Intro  Oct 18, 2016 • 12:22:57pm

re: #127 freetoken

The Purge is well underway:

Trump loyalty test exposes new crack in GOP unity

It strikes me as odd to find a report where two right-wing factions are fighting to purge each other, but not illogical.

You can never be right wing enough in the GOP.

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A wild WITHAK appeared!  Oct 18, 2016 • 12:23:31pm

re: #140 sagehen

I watched an episode of Son of Zorn sorta accidentally. It was mostly meh but had funny moments. It may have potential but will probably get cancelled before it’s able to reach it.

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EPR-radar  Oct 18, 2016 • 12:23:56pm

re: #99 freetoken

For example, the US Senate race here this year is between two Democrats. No Republicans allowed.

As I recall, there are no Republicans on the general election ballot for any statewide office (state or Federal) in CA. This is an accurate reflection of what Republicans bring to the table in politics.

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makeitstop  Oct 18, 2016 • 12:24:24pm

re: #141 Backwoods_Sleuth

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The light that says ‘You’re a loser’ is beginning to come on for Beauty Pageant Guy.

He doesn’t believe the polls any more because they’re telling him something he can’t accept. That he’s losing.

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Skip Intro  Oct 18, 2016 • 12:25:01pm

re: #137 Backwoods_Sleuth

he’s whining:

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“She lies like a Trump.”

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Romantic Heretic  Oct 18, 2016 • 12:25:45pm

re: #20 Sionainn

“Thank you for considering us as a customer but we’ve decided to determine if other suppliers are more suited for our needs.”

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Sherlock Hound  Oct 18, 2016 • 12:26:26pm

re: #151 Skip Intro

“She lies like a Trump.”

“That’s why the lady is a Trump!”
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 18, 2016 • 12:27:01pm

there it is:

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 18, 2016 • 12:27:22pm

LOL!

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Sionainn  Oct 18, 2016 • 12:28:44pm

re: #152 Romantic Heretic

“Thank you for considering us as a customer but we’ve decided to determine if other suppliers are more suited for our needs.”

Unfortunately, I didn’t have a choice. It’s who the bank sent over. If he lowballs the appraisal after I kept my cool and smiled politely, I will make a complaint. ;-)

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 18, 2016 • 12:28:45pm
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Skip Intro  Oct 18, 2016 • 12:29:32pm

re: #154 Backwoods_Sleuth

there it is:

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That will go over well with McCain and McConnell. They need not worry too much about it, methinks.

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MsJ  Oct 18, 2016 • 12:30:50pm

re: #140 sagehen

OT: want opinions about some of the new TV shows I haven’t watched yet. Worth my time? Anyone?

Bull - a pretty interesting show (if you can get past the concept that it is based on Dr. Phil’s life before he became a BS Psych via teevee). It’s about a guy who reads people so well that he can determine what they are thinking - and then uses that to create a shadow jury to determine how to argue a case before the real jury. It’s not fantastic (say in a Dark Matter or Queen of the South compelling way) but it’s not bad. Hubby and I both agree that we’d give this a B.

Notorious - Another show based on a real life story (the friendship and symbiotic relationship between LA attorney and the producer of a local tv news show - the attorney in question Mark Geragos defended Scott Peterson and Michael Jackson amongst others) is pretty interesting, too. There’s some interesting layers to the characters (whom, several, IMHO, are unlikable) and how they do news to sway thinking…sometimes…and other times to do real news no matter the personal connections. Hubby doesn’t like it (rated C) where I do (B+).

MacGyver - Big disappointment from an original MacGyver fan. I do like his sidekick (Nick from CSI) and how they explain what they are doing, but the overall show is pretty much a dud. We gave it two watches - and neither of our opinions changed. It’s on Friday night against nothing we care to watch so…we watch it. If there’s a good movie on we’d completely skip it. May or may not watch it again. This one we both agree on…D+.

FWIW and YMMV.

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freetoken  Oct 18, 2016 • 12:31:22pm

re: #149 EPR-radar

Isn’t the US Senate the only statewide race this year in California? (other than President.)

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MsJ  Oct 18, 2016 • 12:32:04pm

re: #145 freetoken

I’ve not bothered with them either. The only new show that has impressed me is Westworld but I’ve only seen the first episode. And because I like sci-fi, also checked out Timeless, though it strikes me as not a strong attempt at time-travel. The new Frequency is probably a better choice in that genre.

I like Timeless quite a bit. Hubby is lukewarm. He likes Conviction better where I find that one Ok.

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Skip Intro  Oct 18, 2016 • 12:32:11pm

This is what smart people talk like to other smart people.

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451_Montag  Oct 18, 2016 • 12:33:02pm

re: #140 sagehen

OT: want opinions about some of the new TV shows I haven’t watched yet.

Bull
Notorious
Son of Zorn
Aftermath
Channel Zero
Falling Water
MacGyver
Van Helsing

Worth my time? Anyone?

If you have Amazon Prime, the new series of Ripper Street.

Watch the first 4 seasons first. One of the absolute best out there

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makeitstop  Oct 18, 2016 • 12:33:24pm

‘We’re gonna get a very big African American vote. We’re gonna get a very big Latino vote.’

LOL

Very low-energy today. Sad!

He’s just delivering a summary of buzzwords today.

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MsJ  Oct 18, 2016 • 12:34:19pm

re: #162 Skip Intro

This is what smart people talk like to other smart people.

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“You Is Smart, You Is Kind, You Is Important”

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Sionainn  Oct 18, 2016 • 12:35:28pm

re: #162 Skip Intro

This is what smart people talk like to other smart people.

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My family has been doing it all wrong.

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makeitstop  Oct 18, 2016 • 12:35:30pm

Hillary wants an open border with the Middle East.

Hm.

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Dave In Austin  Oct 18, 2016 • 12:36:09pm

re: #163 451_Montag

If you have Amazon Prime, the new series of Ripper Street.

Watch the first 4 seasons first. One of the absolute best out there

Bosch #3 will be out sometime this year. Best crime series ever….

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Sionainn  Oct 18, 2016 • 12:36:26pm

re: #167 makeitstop

Hillary wants an open border with the Middle East.

Hm.

I’d love to see how that works!

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Belafon  Oct 18, 2016 • 12:37:17pm

re: #167 makeitstop

Hillary wants an open border with the Middle East.

Hm.

Isn’t that on the eastern side of New Jersey?

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makeitstop  Oct 18, 2016 • 12:37:18pm

re: #169 Sionainn

I’d love to see how that works!

Someone’s going to have to move, I guess.

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sagehen  Oct 18, 2016 • 12:37:36pm

re: #168 Dave In Austin

Bosch #3 will be out sometime this year. Best crime series ever….

How close does it stick to the books?

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KGxvi  Oct 18, 2016 • 12:38:37pm

Something to make the Lizards smile:

Former Boston Red Sox pitcher Curt Schilling announced plans Tuesday to run against Elizabeth Warren in the U.S. Senate if his wife agrees, and said that he’s ultimately responsible for the collapse of his video game company in Rhode Island, though he didn’t apologize to taxpayers left on the hook for tens of millions of dollars.

I’m fairly certain that Schilling has used up whatever good will he had in Massachusetts in the last few years.

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lawhawk  Oct 18, 2016 • 12:39:33pm

re: #159 MsJ

Bull - a pretty interesting show (if you can get past the concept that it is based on Dr. Phil’s life before he became a BS Psych via teevee). It’s about a guy who reads people so well that he can determine what they are thinking - and then uses that to create a shadow jury to determine how to argue a case before the real jury. It’s not fantastic (say in a Dark Matter or Queen of the South compelling way) but it’s not bad. Hubby and I both agree that we’d give this a B..

The Mrs loves her some Michael Weatherly. I liked him as DiNozzo on NCIS, but find Bull to be meh overall, especially when you realize it’s a fictionalized account of Dr. Phil. Haven’t watched since premiere episode.

One thing to note is that scenes from the Bull offices are filmed on location at 1WTC in Lower Manhattan (the show is NYC based). The views through the windows of the NYC skyline can only come from one location - unfinished floors at 1WTC. That’s the look they went for and got.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 18, 2016 • 12:40:01pm
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KGxvi  Oct 18, 2016 • 12:40:18pm

re: #173 KGxvi

Fuck, this guy is such a tool, also from the article:

Schilling took issue with Warren opposing a November ballot question aimed at dramatically expanding the number of charter schools in Massachusetts. He said he’s not scared to debate her, noting that the Red Sox defeated the Cleveland Indians when he was a player.

“I’ve beaten the real ones before so I’m not worried about that,” the self-described conservative and Donald Trump supporter said, an apparent reference to Warren’s claims of Native American heritage.

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Nyet  Oct 18, 2016 • 12:40:43pm

re: #9 EPR-radar

Putin could probably get Trump to give back Alaska based on alleged dissing of Trump by Alaska Republicans.

There’s a popular “theory” among the Russian national-patriots that Alaska wasn’t really sold and is still legally Russian. (Sort of like what they said about the Crimea.)

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MsJ  Oct 18, 2016 • 12:41:17pm

re: #172 sagehen

How close does it stick to the books?

The shows combine books so they are not season to book 100%. The show is really good but I still don’t see Titus Welliver as Bosch. The character was changed from a Viet Nam vet to one from Afghanistan and being a lover of Bosch, it’s hard to picture the super tall, thin Tunnel Rat as Titus Welliver.

It’s like Tom Cruise as Jack Reacher - who is a 6’4”, 250 lb plus bad ass dude. Cruise, like Welliver do well as the character but they are not the character, if that makes any sense.

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EPR-radar  Oct 18, 2016 • 12:41:30pm

re: #160 freetoken

Isn’t the US Senate the only statewide race this year in California? (other than President.)

There should also be some statewide state level offices (insurance commissioner etc.). Governor is not up for election this year.

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VegasGolfer  Oct 18, 2016 • 12:41:50pm

Link
Dodgers Adrian Gonzales refused to stay at trump hotel in Chicago in May.

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Romantic Heretic  Oct 18, 2016 • 12:42:01pm

re: #84 freetoken

The GOP has a future?

As an autopsy case.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Oct 18, 2016 • 12:42:30pm

re: #176 KGxvi

Because the Cleveland indians are totally real Native Americans.

SMH

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Skip Intro  Oct 18, 2016 • 12:43:17pm

re: #172 sagehen

How close does it stick to the books?

Not very.

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MsJ  Oct 18, 2016 • 12:43:50pm

re: #174 lawhawk

The Mrs loves her some Michael Weatherly. I liked him as DiNozzo on NCIS, but find Bull to be meh overall, especially when you realize it’s a fictionalized account of Dr. Phil. Haven’t watched since premiere episode.

The Dr. Phil aspect really turned me off of the show. I like Bull, but if something else was on it wouldn’t be must see tee vee and hubby wouldn’t be screaming from the rafters for not watching it either.

One thing to note is that scenes from the Bull offices are filmed on location at 1WTC in Lower Manhattan (the show is NYC based). The views through the windows of the NYC skyline can only come from one location - unfinished floors at 1WTC. That’s the look they went for and got.

Interesting! Thanks!

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austin_blue  Oct 18, 2016 • 12:44:05pm

re: #181 Romantic Heretic

As an autopsy case.

On, snap!

We’ll see, though. Hillary is pouring money into Texas and supporting several House races. Should be fun!

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Weaselone  Oct 18, 2016 • 12:44:12pm

re: #177 Nyet

There’s a popular “theory” among the Russian national-patriots that Alaska wasn’t really sold and is still legally Russian. (Sort of like what they said about the Crimea.)

Hopefully, Seward remembered to keep the receipt for his ice box.

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Jenner7  Oct 18, 2016 • 12:44:23pm

Where will the press go, Trump?

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Belafon  Oct 18, 2016 • 12:46:18pm

re: #187 Jenner7

Where will the press go, Trump?

Farenthold (?sp) has been killing you on Twitter, Trump.

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scottslemmons  Oct 18, 2016 • 12:46:35pm

re: #182 Eclectic Cyborg

Because the Cleveland indians are totally real Native Americans.

SMH

In related news: How a cartoonist at a weekly newspaper made the Indians’ owners so mad, they kept the Chief Wahoo mascot just to spite him.

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Nyet  Oct 18, 2016 • 12:46:46pm

re: #186 Weaselone

Hopefully, Seward remembered to keep the receipt for his ice box.

All the receipts are intact in the Russian and American archives, but you know how nationalist “patriots” view any document that goes against their “theories”.

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Sionainn  Oct 18, 2016 • 12:47:18pm

re: #168 Dave In Austin

Bosch #3 will be out sometime this year. Best crime series ever….

Is the Bosch thing a TV show or movie? Is this Harry Bosch from the books? I love those books!

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Belafon  Oct 18, 2016 • 12:47:25pm

re: #187 Jenner7

Where will the press go, Trump?

More importantly, why is Trump still having to convince his base?

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 18, 2016 • 12:47:30pm

re: #177 Nyet

There’s a popular “theory” among the Russian national-patriots that Alaska wasn’t really sold and is still legally Russian. (Sort of like what they said about the Crimea.)

History is subject to revision by whichever ideology has an interest in rewriting it.

(The Civil War was not about slavery)

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A wild WITHAK appeared!  Oct 18, 2016 • 12:47:52pm

re: #176 KGxvi

Fuck, this guy is such a tool, also from the article:

All you need to know about the guy is why he got fired from ESPN. (Bigoted imagery in article, potentially NSFW)

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Romantic Heretic  Oct 18, 2016 • 12:49:43pm

re: #123 sagehen

David? Sometimes I almost forgive you for being an insufferable douche.

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Sionainn  Oct 18, 2016 • 12:49:59pm

re: #178 MsJ

The shows combine books so they are not season to book 100%. The show is really good but I still don’t see Titus Welliver as Bosch. The character was changed from a Viet Nam vet to one from Afghanistan and being a lover of Bosch, it’s hard to picture the super tall, thin Tunnel Rat as Titus Welliver.

It’s like Tom Cruise as Jack Reacher - who is a 6’4”, 250 lb plus bad ass dude. Cruise, like Welliver do well as the character but they are not the character, if that makes any sense.

Yeah, didn’t enjoy Cruise as Jack Reacher. Couldn’t get past the fact that he wasn’t physically anything like Reacher.

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Belafon  Oct 18, 2016 • 12:50:09pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 18, 2016 • 12:50:33pm
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Sionainn  Oct 18, 2016 • 12:51:18pm

re: #178 MsJ

Just looked up Welliver. He completely doesn’t look like how I pictured Bosch.

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Sionainn  Oct 18, 2016 • 12:51:56pm

re: #180 VegasGolfer

Link
Dodgers Adrian Gonzales refused to stay at trump hotel in Chicago in May.

Wonder how long before Trump starts attacking him on Twitter.

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makeitstop  Oct 18, 2016 • 12:52:26pm

re: #187 Jenner7

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Where will the press go, Trump?

Probably home. The stench of slow, lingering campaign death will soon be too much for them to stand.

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lawhawk  Oct 18, 2016 • 12:54:02pm
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Nyet  Oct 18, 2016 • 12:55:50pm
But according to Stephen Dean, assistant commissioner of the Royal Bahama Police Force, no such investigation exists. Dean told BuzzFeed News that “someone gave us some information” about the case, but that no complainant ever came forward after the initial tip.

There you go. A hoax.

buzzfeed.com

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Sionainn  Oct 18, 2016 • 12:56:07pm

re: #198 Backwoods_Sleuth

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So, in Colorado, there is no in-person voting?

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freetoken  Oct 18, 2016 • 12:57:25pm

Looking at my ballot sample, there are few elections in which my vote will make any difference. Maybe the local hospital board, but that’s about it.

Oh… and then there are those ballot initiatives. We have lots of them this year. Two on the death penalty, one of legalizing marijuana, a couple of store carry-out bags, several to authorize selling debt, and so forth.

I’m not sure why we have an Assembly. Why not just put the budget on ballot every year?

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Nyet  Oct 18, 2016 • 12:57:28pm

re: #203 Nyet

Once again demonstrating that just because you hate someone doesn’t mean you also have to accept all the bullshit claims about them, no matter how unproven and sketchy.

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Dr. Matt  Oct 18, 2016 • 12:57:31pm

They are called Deplorable for good reason.


Hillary Clinton is a secret sex freak who paid fixers to set up illicit romps with both men AND women!

That’s the blockbuster revelation from a former Clinton family operative who is sensationally breaking ranks with his one-time bosses to speak to The National ENQUIRER in a bombshell 9-page cover story — on newsstands Wednesday.

“I arranged a meeting for Hillary and a woman in an exclusive Beverly Hills hotel,” the man, who was hired by the Clintons, via a Hollywood executive, to cover up their scandals, told The ENQUIRER.

“She had come to the studio to see the filming of a movie in 1994.”

“While I was there, I helped her slip out of a back exit for a one-on-one session with the other woman. It was made to look casual, leaving quietly [rather] that being caught up in the melee … but really it was for something presumably more sordid.”

What’s more, it wasn’t just Hillary’s flings with women that the shadowy Mr. Fix It helped to orchestrate!

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Thanos  Oct 18, 2016 • 12:57:40pm

re: #31 Trumpia est omnis divisa in duo calathi(Sophist)

Also, bonus points for anyone who can guess where these were taken:

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Tarns in hanging cirques — below the treeline, some volcanic soil but mostly glacial till. I”m going to guess either Nevada or Idaho side of the Sierras?

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freetoken  Oct 18, 2016 • 12:58:54pm

re: #207 Dr. Matt

In my Facebook stream there appears to be a few people who can’t tell reality from fantasy. They post links to things that are just nuts.

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Skip Intro  Oct 18, 2016 • 12:59:45pm

re: #199 Sionainn

Just looked up Welliver. He completely doesn’t look like how I pictured Bosch.

Check Irvin Irving.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 18, 2016 • 1:00:18pm

re: #204 Sionainn

So, in Colorado, there is no in-person voting?

How the first mail-ballot presidential election changes the political math in Colorado

“This is one of the things that really makes Colorado unique,” said Emmy Ruiz, Hillary Clinton’s campaign state director. “Starting on Monday, when ballots go out, our message will be consistently: Ballots are in the mail. Keep an eye out for them. Return them. Return them, return them, return them.”

More than half of Colorado voters are expected to return the ballots before Nov. 8, and starting next week, state election officials will begin reporting vote totals by party. In-person voting begins at voting centers Oct. 24.

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KingKenrod  Oct 18, 2016 • 1:00:34pm

re: #140 sagehen

OT: want opinions about some of the new TV shows I haven’t watched yet.

Bull
Notorious
Son of Zorn
Aftermath
Channel Zero
Falling Water
MacGyver
Van Helsing

Worth my time? Anyone?

Of these, I’ve only seen Son of Zorn and Van Helsing. I wouldn’t quite recommend either. Son of Zorn is OK but the good jokes are sparse. If you like Tim Meadows or Jason Sudeikis, you can check it out.

Van Helsing suffers from very weird pacing and inept plotting and uninteresting characters. It’s no fun, and I feel like a post-apocalypse vampire/undead show should be fun. It’s also very violent.

Some others mentioned Timeless - it’s ok, I like it. You kind of have to turn your brain off for the time-travel stuff, but its fun and has a surprising amount of historical information (can’t vouch for its accuracy).

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whitebeach  Oct 18, 2016 • 1:02:40pm

re: #31 Trumpia est omnis divisa in duo calathi(Sophist)

Also, bonus points for anyone who can guess where these were taken:

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Louisiana? OK, then, Florida?

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coin operated  Oct 18, 2016 • 1:03:00pm

re: #204 Sionainn

So, in Colorado, there is no in-person voting?

Oregon is vote-by-mail. Loved voting there. Wished it was nation-wide.

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lawhawk  Oct 18, 2016 • 1:03:31pm

Interesting details - Trump finally outspending HRC for a week on advertising, but once you factor in outside groups, HRC still outspending.

We don’t have many ads running in NYC metro, but the bulk have been positive, which supports the following:

Despite the tone of the campaign, in which Clinton has questioned Trump’s fitness for office and Trump has suggested Clinton ought to be in jail, the campaigns are actually running more positive advertisements than any other presidential campaign since 2000. More than half of Trump’s advertisements are positive, according to the Wesleyan Media Project, and more than a third of Clinton’s ads have been positive spots.

By contrast, just 6 percent of political advertisements run between the middle of September and the middle of October in 2012 were positive, while almost 70 percent were negative.

The ads I’ve seen for Trump have been positive and done well - the opposite of what Trump actually says and does. Had he been anything like what his campaign ads were like, he’d be a lot closer in the polls. There’s no amount of advertising that covers for the fact that he’s a dumpster fire that is primed to blow up at the slightest provocation.

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Sionainn  Oct 18, 2016 • 1:03:38pm

re: #210 Skip Intro

Check Irvin Irving.

LOLWUT?!?

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Sir John Barron  Oct 18, 2016 • 1:04:11pm

re: #207 Dr. Matt

They are called Deplorable for good reason.

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Had Drudge apologized for pushing the bogus story about the ballot shredding yet?

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Dr. Matt  Oct 18, 2016 • 1:04:20pm

So the yoge Drudge/Zombie B Hillary sex bombshell is complete and utter joke. Conservatives are pathetic scum. They deserve to lose big time.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Oct 18, 2016 • 1:04:21pm

re: #214 whitebeach

Louisiana? OK, then, Florida?

Interestingly enough, my guess was Colorado…but now I suspect it may be a non U.S. location.

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Sionainn  Oct 18, 2016 • 1:04:55pm

re: #203 Nyet

There you go. A hoax.

buzzfeed.com

Well, thanks for the information. Your other comment regarding this downthread was unnecessary and quite frankly insulting.

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Belafon  Oct 18, 2016 • 1:05:40pm

re: #216 lawhawk

Interesting details - Trump finally outspending HRC for a week on advertising, but once you factor in outside groups, HRC still outspending.

We don’t have many ads running in NYC metro, but the bulk have been positive, which supports the following:

The ads I’ve seen for Trump have been positive and done well - the opposite of what Trump actually says and does. Had he been anything like what his campaign ads were like, he’d be a lot closer in the polls. There’s no amount of advertising that covers for the fact that he’s a dumpster fire that is primed to blow up at the slightest provocation.

If I understand things correctly, this also reflects the fact that Clinton reserved ad space a long time ago at cheaper rates. Trumps just putting money in now.

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Sionainn  Oct 18, 2016 • 1:05:43pm
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Eventual Carrion  Oct 18, 2016 • 1:05:52pm

re: #137 Backwoods_Sleuth

he’s whining:

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“That she even had to do that is a shame”
Does he mean a shame like Hill has had to do for YEARS.

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makeitstop  Oct 18, 2016 • 1:06:36pm

re: #207 Dr. Matt

They are called Deplorable for good reason.

[Embedded content]

That’s it, huh?

Enquirer. Figures.

Trump should just take the L now. This will change nothing.

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Sir John Barron  Oct 18, 2016 • 1:07:29pm

re: #187 Jenner7

Trump tells supporters in Colorado Springs: “Forget the press, read the internet.” He adds that many reporters won’t be around much longer.
— Jenna Johnson

“Read Alex Jones, Drudge, totally reliable.”

/

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bratwurst  Oct 18, 2016 • 1:08:27pm

Adams is having a pretty serious meltdown today, including the posting of a shirtless selfie!

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goddamnedfrank  Oct 18, 2016 • 1:08:34pm

re: #216 lawhawk

[Embedded content]

Interesting details - Trump finally outspending HRC for a week on advertising, but once you factor in outside groups, HRC still outspending.

We don’t have many ads running in NYC metro, but the bulk have been positive, which supports the following:

The ads I’ve seen for Trump have been positive and done well - the opposite of what Trump actually says and does. Had he been anything like what his campaign ads were like, he’d be a lot closer in the polls. There’s no amount of advertising that covers for the fact that he’s a dumpster fire that is primed to blow up at the slightest provocation.

I wouldn’t be surprised to find he’s spending more only because he bought the air time late. Meaning he’s now forced to purchase higher tier rates to pre-empt earlier ad buyers and that as a result he’s getting far less bang for his buck.

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Romantic Heretic  Oct 18, 2016 • 1:08:41pm

re: #187 Jenner7

Counting trees.

If they’re lucky.

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makeitstop  Oct 18, 2016 • 1:08:42pm

re: #209 freetoken

In my Facebook stream there appears to be a few people who can’t tell reality from fantasy. They post links to things that are just nuts.

I actually had a guy tell me that the polls are not to be believed, because online polls show Trump trouncing Clinton.

I rarely ever do this, but I straight out told the guy he was stupid. He proceeded to argue with me for ten minutes after I bailed the thread.

So, yeah. He’s stupid.

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Sionainn  Oct 18, 2016 • 1:08:47pm

re: #215 coin operated

Oregon is vote-by-mail. Loved voting there. Wished it was nation-wide.

I did not know that. I personally wouldn’t feel comfortable mailing in my vote. I like going to the voting machine, making my selections, watching the double-safe protection of it printing out my selections on paper, and then leaving. Plus, I like to bring my girls with me when I vote so that they see that’s what Americans, especially women, should be doing and how important it is to pay attention at every election to the candidates and the issues and make sure to vote.

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Sir John Barron  Oct 18, 2016 • 1:09:11pm

re: #187 Jenner7

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Where will the press go, Trump?

You know who else won’t be around much longer, especially after November 9?

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Sionainn  Oct 18, 2016 • 1:10:02pm

re: #216 lawhawk

[Embedded content]

Interesting details - Trump finally outspending HRC for a week on advertising, but once you factor in outside groups, HRC still outspending.

We don’t have many ads running in NYC metro, but the bulk have been positive, which supports the following:

The ads I’ve seen for Trump have been positive and done well - the opposite of what Trump actually says and does. Had he been anything like what his campaign ads were like, he’d be a lot closer in the polls. There’s no amount of advertising that covers for the fact that he’s a dumpster fire that is primed to blow up at the slightest provocation.

I wonder how effective ads are now that so many people have Tivo and simply press a button to skip commercials altogether like we do?

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Sir John Barron  Oct 18, 2016 • 1:10:14pm

re: #187 Jenner7

[Embedded content]

Where will the press go, Trump?

“Continue reading things that confirm your biases. It will improve your lives. Believe me.”

/

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freetoken  Oct 18, 2016 • 1:10:46pm

re: #227 bratwurst

We now realize that Dilbert is his aspiration for how the world ought to work.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 18, 2016 • 1:11:31pm
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dangerman  Oct 18, 2016 • 1:11:41pm

re: #233 Sionainn

I wonder how effective ads are now that so many people have Tivo and simply press a button to skip commercials altogether like we do?

i had a vcr in the 80’s that would skip commercials on playback
and another one that skipped them while recording
(vhs not beta)

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Eventual Carrion  Oct 18, 2016 • 1:12:14pm

re: #170 Belafon

Isn’t that on the eastern side of New Jersey?

I thought it was on the western side of PA.

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coin operated  Oct 18, 2016 • 1:12:15pm

re: #231 Sionainn

Plus, I like to bring my girls with me when I vote so that they see that’s what Americans, especially women, should be doing and how important it is to pay attention at every election to the candidates and the issues and make sure to vote.

My kids are voting age, and I showed them the process while sitting at the kitchen table.

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freetoken  Oct 18, 2016 • 1:14:01pm

People mag reposted this stuff today, beating a dead horse:

New WikiLeaks Emails: The Five Biggest Revelations About Hillary Clinton

Same old stuff. Get this as one of the five:

4. Bad blood ran deep between Chelsea Clinton and her father’s top Clinton Global Initiative aide.

That’s trying really, really hard to come up with material to draw in clicks.

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MsJ  Oct 18, 2016 • 1:14:15pm

re: #199 Sionainn

Just looked up Welliver. He completely doesn’t look like how I pictured Bosch.

Most of us agree but Michael Connelly, who wrote Bosch (and The Lincoln Lawyer series) said Welliver is exactly how he pictured Bosch and he (Connelly) personally approved Welliver. Go figure.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 18, 2016 • 1:14:18pm

Junior is now beyond pathetic:

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Mattand  Oct 18, 2016 • 1:15:59pm

re: #94 freetoken

Snarky as I was, I think the GOP may be in a position to find it hard to be successful on a national level until an entire generation is turned over.

I could not disagree more with this statement.

Since 2008, at least in the context of presidential elections, we keep hearing how the GOP is done, finished, kaput. Yet they keep coming back with even more extreme, more vile candidates who do well; and by “do well”, I mean “Do not immediately go down in flames for saying shit that four years ago was unthinkable.”

My neighbor up the street is voting for Trump. He’s an affable, hard working blue collar guy who openly admits that Trump is a monster. However, he hates Clinton more, and he’s buying into that “Well, Trump will shake things up” idiocy.

One of these reasons he can’t vote for Clinton is that a woman president, in his view, would be disrespected by Middle Eastern countries, and therefor would be an ineffective leader.

I pointed out to him that Clinton was Secretary of State for years. It was her job to handle these types of personalities and governments, and by most rational accounts, she did it well.

No response. Still hates Clinton.

I brought up the fact that Trump is basically a rapist. He’s like “Yeah, I know, but I can’t vote for Hillary.” He’s refusing to vote for Gary Johnson, as he feels it’s a vote for Clinton.

So, we have a guy in allegedly blue NJ, in a primarily blue federal district, saying “Trump is an unconscionable monster who would disgrace the Presidency and the country, so therefore I have to vote for him.”

As far as a generational thing: I’m Facebook friends with my cousin’s son. He’s 30 and is the intellectual black sheep of the family. When he posts something political, the amount of Millennials that pop in to vow they’ll help Trump take their country back (aka, make sure minorities never get a chance at the Presidency ever again) is frightening.

I wish we could dispense with this “Stick a fork in the GOP” nonsense. They’re not done. They’re just finally giving into the racist undercurrent that’s powered the party since the Southern Strategy first reared its head 40 plus years ago.

If the economy were in the tank right now, Trump would be ahead by double digits. Same scenario applies to 2020: if Democrats are in control and the economy is terrible, the GOP will mop the floor with them.

America has a near-inexhaustible supply of ignorant, white racists for the GOP to sustain itself for years. Don’t fucking kid yourself. They ain’t going anywhere. They’re just comfortable with accepting the open bigots in their midsts now.

PS: I begged my neighbor that if he was going to vote Trump, either stay home or vote for Johnson. He didn’t get angry with me, so maybe I had an effect. But this is why I lose my shit anymore with the false balance crap.

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dangerman  Oct 18, 2016 • 1:16:21pm

when asked, while all kinds of Republicans claim “democrat” voting fraud and belief the process is “rigged” no one follows up with “can you explain exactly how this would happen or point to where it was or is going to be done?”

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Sionainn  Oct 18, 2016 • 1:16:26pm

re: #230 makeitstop

I actually had a guy tell me that the polls are not to be believed, because online polls show Trump trouncing Clinton.

I rarely ever do this, but I straight out told the guy he was stupid. He proceeded to argue with me for ten minutes after I bailed the thread.

So, yeah. He’s stupid.

I had to deactivate my FB account until after the election because I found myself telling people that they were stupid, telling them to fuck off, that they were despicable and disgusting excuses for human beings. It was affecting my home life, so I had to let it go.

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Skip Intro  Oct 18, 2016 • 1:16:44pm

re: #233 Sionainn

I wonder how effective ads are now that so many people have Tivo and simply press a button to skip commercials altogether like we do?

Not effective for me because I haven’t seen a single one. If one came on, I’d skip it because I DVR everything before watching.

I let the rest of you take the bullets for me by watching cable “news” shows. Thank you very much for that.

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gocart mozart  Oct 18, 2016 • 1:16:45pm
248
Charles Johnson  Oct 18, 2016 • 1:18:06pm
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A wild WITHAK appeared!  Oct 18, 2016 • 1:18:22pm

re: #247 gocart mozart

Could I suggest we hide hate memes like this one behind spoiler tags? It’s not NSFW in the same sense as, say, nudity, but if a co-worker accidentally sees this, that’s not good either.

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Nyet  Oct 18, 2016 • 1:18:26pm

re: #221 Sionainn

Well, thanks for the information. Your other comment regarding this downthread was unnecessary and quite frankly insulting.

What comment did you find insulting?

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Dave In Austin  Oct 18, 2016 • 1:19:23pm

re: #172 sagehen

How close does it stick to the books?

No clue, didn’t read them.

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CuriousLurker  Oct 18, 2016 • 1:19:45pm

re: #12 lawhawk

Now I see what’s got them so riled up. The top headline that says “Hijab for Hillary” goes to a National Press Club announcement about a new organization called the American Muslim Women PAC. Oh, the horror! //

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Sionainn  Oct 18, 2016 • 1:21:10pm

re: #237 dangerman

i had a vcr in the 80’s that would skip commercials on playback
and another one that skipped them while recording
(vhs not beta)

Fancy! I didn’t even know that had such a thing with the VCRs.

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coin operated  Oct 18, 2016 • 1:21:51pm

re: #243 Mattand

I wish we could dispense with this “Stick a fork in the GOP” nonsense. They’re not done. They’re just finally giving into the racist undercurrent that’s powered the party since the Southern Strategy first reared its head 40 plus years ago.

America has a near-inexhaustible supply of ignorant, white racists for the GOP to sustain itself for years. Don’t fucking kid yourself. They ain’t going anywhere. They’re just comfortable with accepting the open bigots in their midsts now.

Quoted for truth. In Oregon, Portland and Eugene are liberal enclaves…the rest of the state is as redneck as Arkansas. Have lots of friends on facespace biting into Trumps bigotry hook, line, and sinker.

Edited to get the blockquote straight.

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Dave In Austin  Oct 18, 2016 • 1:22:51pm

re: #191 Sionainn

Is the Bosch thing a TV show or movie? Is this Harry Bosch from the books? I love those books!

Crime Drama on Amazon Prime. Series.

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gocart mozart  Oct 18, 2016 • 1:22:54pm
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Nyet  Oct 18, 2016 • 1:23:31pm

Some folks get insulted by strangest things. Nothing one can do about it. *shrug*

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allegro  Oct 18, 2016 • 1:23:37pm

re: #163 451_Montag

If you have Amazon Prime, the new series of Ripper Street.

Watch the first 4 seasons first. One of the absolute best out there

Ripper Street is excellent. A new one on Prime that I’ve been watching is Fortitude. As with most all BBC productions, it’s terrific (what I’ve seen, up to Ep 10).

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Great White Snark  Oct 18, 2016 • 1:24:17pm

Creepiest clown yet

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makeitstop  Oct 18, 2016 • 1:24:46pm

re: #258 allegro

Ripper Street is excellent. A new one on Prime that I’ve been watching is Fortitude. As with most all BBC productions, it’s terrific (what I’ve seen, up to Ep 10).

Ripper Street, seconded. That’s a great series.

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Sionainn  Oct 18, 2016 • 1:25:17pm

re: #240 freetoken

People mag reposted this stuff today, beating a dead horse:

New WikiLeaks Emails: The Five Biggest Revelations About Hillary Clinton

Same old stuff. Get this as one of the five:

That’s trying really, really hard to come up with material to draw in clicks.

…and that’s supposed to make me care…why?

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dangerman  Oct 18, 2016 • 1:25:23pm

re: #253 Sionainn

Fancy! I didn’t even know that had such a thing with the VCRs.

was about 80% accurate id say

cable remote looked like this:

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Sionainn  Oct 18, 2016 • 1:27:26pm

re: #241 MsJ

Most of us agree but Michael Connelly, who wrote Bosch (and The Lincoln Lawyer series) said Welliver is exactly how he pictured Bosch and he (Connelly) personally approved Welliver. Go figure.

Interesting. The only thing I’ve ever watched where I read the books first and then watched the show/movie and felt the characters looked exactly how I imagined them was every single character in the Harry Potter movies.

eta: That’s an incredibly awkward sentence and I don’t care. ///

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Charles Johnson  Oct 18, 2016 • 1:27:53pm
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 18, 2016 • 1:29:37pm

re: #196 Sionainn

Yeah, didn’t enjoy Cruise as Jack Reacher. Couldn’t get past the fact that he wasn’t physically anything like Reacher.

Reacher Round.

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lawhawk  Oct 18, 2016 • 1:30:22pm

Circle of derp (and not without a wee bit of dumbassery and criminal wingnuts trying to replicate prior fakery):

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Belafon  Oct 18, 2016 • 1:31:05pm

re: #262 dangerman

was about 80% accurate id say

cable remote looked like this:

[Embedded content]

And you could make a small mod to get the extra channels.

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Mattand  Oct 18, 2016 • 1:31:12pm

re: #254 coin operated

Edited to get the blockquote straight.

LOL, can’t tell you how many times I’ve borked that

Re: Oregon: I always laugh when I hear about liberal NJ. Granted, compared to Louisiana or Texas, we’re hippies. My experience has been there’s more conservatives here than we get credit for; whether it’s the one side of my family going full on Klansman, or the fact that Christie won big both times.

I still can’t get over that last one. An overwhelming of New Jerseyites voted this jerk into office, and are then shocked; SHOCKED that the Republican they voted for acts like a Republican.

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freetoken  Oct 18, 2016 • 1:31:45pm

re: #243 Mattand

As far as a generational thing: I’m Facebook friends with my cousin’s son. He’s 30 and is the intellectual black sheep of the family. When he posts something political, the amount of Millennials that pop in to vow they’ll help Trump take their country back (aka, make sure minorities never get a chance at the Presidency ever again) is frightening.

At least in my (albeit small) Facebook circle, there are few millenials for Drumpfskind, most are not. Perhaps our networks of friends are different, but I have quite a few older relatives who are Drumpfskind-leaning (though some are so religious that his ungodliness has probably turned them away.) But they are the older relatives, not the younger ones.

While there will always be racists, when they are embedded in a group-think where no-compromise-at-all is the standard procedure for politics, they will not win elections. Winning is about compromise, not about purity.

Contrast with the current Democratic party, where Bernie was convinced to support Clinton, even if not as vigorously as some had hoped, and where most Bernie supporters will vote for Clinton.

Consider also that Clinton is herself a compromise of the old southern Democrats and the more progressive coastal-communities.

I realize that the whole nation will not be like California, but a big reason the Republican party here is now irrelevant is because the religious-right took it over with their no-compromise-at-any-cost attitude. The inability to change with the changing society (which now accepts gays and abortion and birth control etc.) that the religious conservatives demand sunk the Republicans-as-good-businessmen party of old.

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Sionainn  Oct 18, 2016 • 1:31:57pm

re: #250 Nyet

What comment did you find insulting?

#206

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CuriousLurker  Oct 18, 2016 • 1:32:45pm

re: #252 CuriousLurker

Now I see what’s got them so riled up. The top headline that says “Hijab for Hillary” goes to a National Press Club announcement about a new organization called the American Muslim Women PAC. Oh, the horror! //

BTW, you can blame Trump for the new PAC—the wrath of a woman scorned, LOL:

Trump inspires Muslim-American women to launch a PAC

Ghazala Khan, the mother of a fallen soldier whose family has clashed with Donald Trump, joined around 20 other Muslim women on Tuesday to launch a political action committee aimed at driving U.S. Muslims to vote.

Khan praised her fellow “daughters and sisters” for creating the American Muslim Women Political Action Committee, saying they are “so strong” and will “bring more people with us.” Others at the event, meanwhile, had a seemingly odd message for Trump: Thanks for bringing us together.

The PAC is the latest example of growing political activism in America’s Muslim community — a movement that’s been given an adrenaline shot by Trump. The Republican presidential nominee called for a ban on Muslims entering the U.S., cast Syrian refugees as potential terrorists and suggested U.S. Muslims are failing to report potential extremists. […]

politico.com

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Thanos  Oct 18, 2016 • 1:32:47pm

re: #140 sagehen

OT: want opinions about some of the new TV shows I haven’t watched yet.

Bull
Notorious
Son of Zorn
Aftermath
Channel Zero
Falling Water
MacGyver
Van Helsing

Worth my time? Anyone?

Bull is worthwhile, I was surprised. MacGyver… meh. VanHelsing, pasteboard postapocalyptic wasteland craptasm. Falling water, definitely worthwhile so far. I am watching eps 2x. Notorious, better than I thought it would be as a “Scandal” light,

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Nyet  Oct 18, 2016 • 1:33:17pm

re: #270 Sionainn

#206

There is nothing insulting in this comment which refers to a conversation from yesterday.

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Sir John Barron  Oct 18, 2016 • 1:34:43pm

re: #244 dangerman

when asked, while all kinds of Republicans claim “democrat” voting fraud and belief the process is “rigged” no one follows up with “can you explain exactly how this would happen or point to where it was or is going to be done?”

Yuse the Google, I don’t have to do your research for you!!!!!

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Sionainn  Oct 18, 2016 • 1:35:29pm

re: #257 Nyet

Some folks get insulted by strangest things. Nothing one can do about it. *shrug*

Ugh.

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Reality Based Steve  Oct 18, 2016 • 1:35:39pm

Got into it with a Trumpet that kept saying that “Polls mean Nothing!!!! Reagan was trailing Carter in Gallop poll just before the election, and wiped the floor with him”.

I simply pointed that 1 poll is a data point, but an aggragrate of polls indicates a pattern. Reagan was never really behind in the polls after May.

Of course, that was met with “Well, they are all rigged anyhow”. /eye-roll

RBS

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Nyet  Oct 18, 2016 • 1:35:43pm

re: #275 Sionainn

Ugh.

Just the truth.

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Sionainn  Oct 18, 2016 • 1:36:29pm

re: #257 Nyet

Some folks get insulted by strangest things. Nothing one can do about it. *shrug*

You’ve either turned into a complete jerk lately or I simply never saw it until lately.

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dangerman  Oct 18, 2016 • 1:36:33pm

re: #267 Belafon

And you could make a small mod to get the extra channels.

;-)

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 18, 2016 • 1:36:34pm

re: #256 gocart mozart

It’s an alt-right thing.
mashable.com

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Nyet  Oct 18, 2016 • 1:37:26pm

re: #278 Sionainn

You’ve either turned into a complete jerk lately or I simply never saw it until lately.

You come up with weird accusations out of the blue but I’m a jerk. Okay.

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dangerman  Oct 18, 2016 • 1:38:09pm

re: #274 Sir John Barron

Yuse the Google, I don’t have to do your research for you!!!!!

so mr republican, either ya got nuthin or you’re just repeating stuff you “heard” and havent verified in any way

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Mattand  Oct 18, 2016 • 1:38:20pm

re: #269 freetoken

At least in my (albeit small) Facebook circle, there are few millenials for Drumpfskind, most are not. Perhaps our networks of friends are different, but I have quite a few older relatives who are Drumpfskind-leaning (though some are so religious that his ungodliness has probably turned them away.) But they are the older relatives, not the younger ones.

I think what gets me is that I keep hearing how the millenials are rejecting Trump and the GOP in record numbers, and I get smacked in the face with the opposite on FB. Anecdotal, of course, so YMMV.

The other thing that gets me is that my generation (Gen X, although I may technically be too old for that) was going to be the one to break the cycle of racism in the country. I just turned 50 a few days back. The amount of my peers that are morphing into their parents and grandparents when it comes to stuff like racism and politics is scary.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 18, 2016 • 1:39:32pm

re: #227 bratwurst

[Embedded content]

Adams is having a pretty serious meltdown today, including the posting of a shirtless selfie!

MRA themes started to appear in his strip, but quickly disappeared. Hope he keeps away from them, as I still find the strip entertaining

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Mattand  Oct 18, 2016 • 1:40:44pm

re: #284 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

MRA themes started to appear in his strip, but quickly disappeared. Hope he keeps away from them, as I still find the strip entertaining

Such a great cartoonist. Such a horrible human being.

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Joe Bacon  Oct 18, 2016 • 1:41:18pm
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plansbandc  Oct 18, 2016 • 1:41:40pm

Someone on FB dubbed the orange one The Sniffle-Grab-A-Puss.

I laughed entirely too much.

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Sionainn  Oct 18, 2016 • 1:41:50pm

re: #281 Nyet

You come up with weird accusations out of the blue but I’m a jerk. Okay.

I read the conversation yesterday, or at least caught part of it.

The insulting part is acting like we are all are fucking idiots who believe everything we read on the internet. Didn’t expect that shit to happen in this group.

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Nyet  Oct 18, 2016 • 1:44:15pm

re: #288 Sionainn

I read the conversation yesterday, or at least caught part of it.

The insulting part is acting like we are all are fucking idiots who believe everything we read on the internet. Didn’t expect that shit to happen in this group.

Then you might have missed this part.

littlegreenfootballs.com
littlegreenfootballs.com

But feel free to feel righteous over something that you only imagined.

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Jebediah, RBG  Oct 18, 2016 • 1:50:53pm

re: #176 KGxvi

A baseball team is “the real ones?”
OK Curt.

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Mike Lamb  Oct 18, 2016 • 1:55:03pm

re: #248 Charles Johnson

[Embedded content]

Actually, given his track record of bigotry, misogyny, and ineptitude, he is doing pretty well in the polls. A sane country would make the 1984 election look like a triple OT playoff hockey game by comparison…

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Sionainn  Oct 18, 2016 • 2:01:20pm

re: #289 Nyet

Then you might have missed this part.

littlegreenfootballs.com
littlegreenfootballs.com

But feel free to feel righteous over something that you only imagined.

Wow, that completely proved your point. ////

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Nyet  Oct 18, 2016 • 2:05:14pm

re: #292 Sionainn

Wow, that completely proved your point. ////

Sure. It’s an example of a person who believed some sketchy online source because of how they pre-judged someone. IOW what I have described in the comment you inexplicably found insulting. In fact I now see you updinged this, so you knew about it before you wrote your 288. Makes it doubly inexplicable.

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sagehen  Oct 18, 2016 • 2:07:02pm

re: #276 Reality Based Steve

Got into it with a Trumpet that kept saying that “Polls mean Nothing!!!! Reagan was trailing Carter in Gallop poll just before the election, and wiped the floor with him”.

I simply pointed that 1 poll is a data point, but an aggragrate of polls indicates a pattern. Reagan was never really behind in the polls after May.

[Embedded content]

Of course, that was met with “Well, they are all rigged anyhow”. /eye-roll

RBS

The American Embassy in Teheran was the subject of an EVERY SINGLE DAY HOUR of network coverage, anchored by Ted Koppel (America Held Hostage Day XX!!). This is how we account for Carter’s popularity doing that ski slope graph…

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Sionainn  Oct 18, 2016 • 2:09:18pm

re: #293 Nyet

Sure. It’s an example of a person who believed some sketchy online source because of how they pre-judged someone. IOW what I have described in the comment you inexplicably found insulting. In fact I now see you updinged this, so you knew about it before you wrote your 288. Makes it doubly inexplicable.

I updinged the “giving rapists no quarter.” You seem to be forgetting why Assange is sitting in the embassy in Ecuador.

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Nyet  Oct 18, 2016 • 2:13:30pm

re: #295 Sionainn

I updinged the “giving rapists no quarter.” You seem to be forgetting why Assange is sitting in the embassy in Ecuador.

The reason why Assange is sitting in the Ecuadorian embassy in London has been discussed at length yesterday and is not the topic at hand.

The topic is why you called a comment that objectively described what happened insulting.

(And btw, you updinged an implication (directed at me) that not accepting that sketchy online source is giving a rapist too much quarter. But I’m a jerk, yeah.)

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Sionainn  Oct 18, 2016 • 2:19:55pm

re: #296 Nyet

The reason why Assange is sitting in the Ecuadorian embassy in London has been discussed at length yesterday and is not the topic at hand.

The topic is why you called a comment that objectively described what happened insulting.

(And btw, you updinged an implication (directed at me) that not accepting that sketchy online source is giving a rapist too much quarter. But I’m a jerk, yeah.)

Yep.

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Nyet  Oct 18, 2016 • 2:21:26pm

re: #297 Sionainn

Yep.

Yet it is you who is behaving like one. Funny how that works.


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