Daily Beast Reports: Donald Trump’s Wild Drug-Fueled Underage Sex Parties

Trump didn’t approve of cigarettes
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The latest story about Donald Trump’s grotesque history of sexual assault and excess, by Michael Gross, may be the worst yet: Inside Donald Trump’s One-Stop Parties: Attendees Recall Cocaine and Very Young Models.

The girls were as young as 15, he says, and “over their heads, they had no idea, and they ended up in situations. There were always dramas because the men threw money and drugs at them to keep them enticed. It’s based on power and dominating girls who can’t push back and can be discarded. There’s always someone to pick them back up. Nobody wants to call home and say ‘Help me.’”

Trump would “go from room to room,” said the photographer, who added that “I was there to party myself. It was guys with younger girls, sex, a lot of sex, a lot of cocaine, top-shelf liquor” but no smoking. Trump didn’t approve of cigarettes.

Those men at these parties often knew each other. “It’s a small community,” the photographer says. “They exchanged information, facilitated each other. Trump was in and out. He’d wander off with a couple girls. I saw him. He was getting laid like crazy. Trump was at the heart of it. He loved the attention and in private, he was a total fucking beast.”

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Kragar  Oct 24, 2016 • 6:25:12pm

I’ve got a 14 year old daughter. I’ve seen the girls she’s friends with. In no way can they pass as 24 year olds.

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teleskiguy  Oct 24, 2016 • 6:27:09pm

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Targetpractice  Oct 24, 2016 • 6:28:35pm

But remember, Hillary’s the evil mastermind who we should all vote against because of a Podesta email from 2008 that says polls “oversample” Democrats.

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freetoken  Oct 24, 2016 • 6:30:22pm

I suppose the Drumpfskind campaign can just dismiss this as baseless allegations by an unfair press.

As I asked downstairs - will this stick?

It seems to me that without evidence this isn’t going to do much damage. Drumpfskind’s followers already know he did beauty pageants etc. and they still think he’s their man to bring God back to the White House.

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SteelPH  Oct 24, 2016 • 6:30:39pm

Think this may confirm our suspicions of Trump being a coke fiend?

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teleskiguy  Oct 24, 2016 • 6:31:17pm

re: #5 SteelPH

Think this may confirm our suspicions of Trump being a coke fiend?

The article says that he didn’t partake.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 24, 2016 • 6:31:28pm
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teleskiguy  Oct 24, 2016 • 6:32:42pm

re: #6 teleskiguy

Sex with underage models? A source in this article doesn’t exactly put that in doubt.

Yuck. Just gross.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 24, 2016 • 6:34:57pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 24, 2016 • 6:35:47pm
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freetoken  Oct 24, 2016 • 6:36:13pm

re: #8 teleskiguy

But it won’t affect the God-talkers, as the ones already supporting Drumpfskind believe in marrying off their daughters when they are mere teenagers:

Marry girls when they’re ‘15 or 16,’ said ‘Duck Dynasty’ star Phil Robertson

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Teukka  Oct 24, 2016 • 6:36:42pm

re: #9 Backwoods_Sleuth

re: #10 Backwoods_Sleuth

Justin Miller be trollin’, trollin’ trollin’… ?

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Rightwingconspirator  Oct 24, 2016 • 6:36:43pm

Also in the Daily Beast

Report: Trump Claimed $17M in Fake Storm Damages

Donald Trump claimed a $17 million insurance payday on his Mar-a-Lago property after a 2005 hurricane. But eyewitnesses told the Associated Press that the Palm Beach property never sustained close to $17 million in damages. “That house has never been seriously damaged,” Trump’s longtime butler Anthony Senecal told the AP of Mar-a-Lago hurricane history. “I was there for all of them.”

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Belafon  Oct 24, 2016 • 6:36:57pm

re: #10 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Why would they need to go to Podesta’s house? We have his recipes.

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Kragar  Oct 24, 2016 • 6:37:22pm
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teleskiguy  Oct 24, 2016 • 6:37:48pm
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Rightwingconspirator  Oct 24, 2016 • 6:41:11pm

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MsJ  Oct 24, 2016 • 6:42:16pm

re: #1 Kragar

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Reality Based Steve  Oct 24, 2016 • 6:44:30pm

As much as I would like to believe this story, I’m putting the 24 hour rule into effect on it.

RBS

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TedStriker  Oct 24, 2016 • 6:46:56pm

re: #19 Reality Based Steve

As much as I would like to believe this story, I’m putting the 24 hour rule into effect on it.

RBS

Same same.

Let’s not be so confirmation biased as to give credence to something like this without concrete proof (as much as can be found as this late date, anyway).

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Charles Johnson  Oct 24, 2016 • 6:46:59pm
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jaunte  Oct 24, 2016 • 6:47:37pm

Maybe some more eyewitnesses will be encouraged to come forward as evidence mounts that Trump is not all-powerful, and will not be completely free to bully the weak.

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Stanley Sea  Oct 24, 2016 • 6:49:03pm

He’s a pig. He’s always been a pig. He will always be a pig. Although his pickings are slimmer now, compared to the 80’s.

NASTY

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freetoken  Oct 24, 2016 • 6:49:34pm

re: #19 Reality Based Steve

I think the only thing new here is the testimony of two witnesses, about underage women procured for sex at Drumpfskind’s parties. That he had a salacious bachelorhood was already established, as noted by that author’s earlier work, years ago.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Oct 24, 2016 • 6:51:22pm

There are Hillary haters among expats in China. Case in point:

the fbi is completely compromised

globalnews.asia

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Stanley Sea  Oct 24, 2016 • 6:52:09pm
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Rightwingconspirator  Oct 24, 2016 • 6:52:39pm
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Stanley Sea  Oct 24, 2016 • 6:53:13pm

The most disgusting human.

I’m going to have ice cream & forget this horror for a while.

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Rightwingconspirator  Oct 24, 2016 • 6:55:07pm

re: #23 Stanley Sea

He’s a pig. He’s always been a pig. He will always be a pig. Although his pickings are slimmer now, compared to the 80’s.

NASTY

I have received a complaint…

Trump? Oh HELL NO!
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Charles Johnson  Oct 24, 2016 • 6:58:30pm
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jaunte  Oct 24, 2016 • 6:58:40pm
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Rightwingconspirator  Oct 24, 2016 • 6:59:20pm

re: #5 SteelPH

Think this may confirm our suspicions of Trump being a coke fiend?

I have a simple reason to think not. I can’t imagine an elderly body withstanding the damage.

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Kragar  Oct 24, 2016 • 7:01:01pm

re: #30 Charles Johnson

“And you wonder why we’re mad?”

Nope, it perfectly obvious. He’s an ignorant sack of crap.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Oct 24, 2016 • 7:01:10pm

re: #32 Great White Snark

I have a simple reason to think not. I can’t imagine an elderly body withstanding the damage.

Counter-example: Keith Richards.

Just sayin’

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jaunte  Oct 24, 2016 • 7:02:24pm
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freetoken  Oct 24, 2016 • 7:03:40pm

An ugly old saying that describes Drumpfskind’s parties:

urbandictionary.com

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Rightwingconspirator  Oct 24, 2016 • 7:04:59pm

re: #30 Charles Johnson

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Anger Man. Whew glad I’m not downwind of that guy. That’s the kinda guy to look out for in the days or weeks after the loss. The sense of humiliation and getting cheated will test their reluctance to break the law. On the upside, I expect the whole GOP to turn on Trump and disavow all his claims about “rigged”. I suspect they will (proverbially) kick him to the curb at the very first chance after the loss.

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teleskiguy  Oct 24, 2016 • 7:05:12pm

Yeah that’ll work.

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Rightwingconspirator  Oct 24, 2016 • 7:06:56pm

re: #34 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Counter-example: Keith Richards.

Just sayin’

Iirc, he quit cocaine long ago but still smokes whatever.

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Rightwingconspirator  Oct 24, 2016 • 7:08:57pm

re: #28 Stanley Sea

The most disgusting human.

I’m going to have ice cream & forget this horror for a while.

With chocolate. That always helps.

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teleskiguy  Oct 24, 2016 • 7:10:26pm
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Ziggy_TARDIS  Oct 24, 2016 • 7:11:16pm

The Lucid polls today had a goofy result.

Clinton’s Margin in Virginia and Georgia were nearly the same (VA was C+5, GA was C+4), while NC was only one point towards Hillary.

I don’t think that would be correct.

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Belafon  Oct 24, 2016 • 7:13:29pm

re: #42 Ziggy_TARDIS

The Lucid polls today had a goofy result.

Clinton’s Margin in Virginia and Georgia were nearly the same (VA was C+5, GA was C+4), while NC was only one point towards Hillary.

I don’t think that would be correct.

They’re polls. Even if everything were on the up and up, you still get a variance. Not only that, but you would expect about 1 in 20 polls to be an outlier. Nothing too goofy about those.

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MsJ  Oct 24, 2016 • 7:14:03pm

re: #41 teleskiguy

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Oct 24, 2016 • 7:14:44pm

Also, I have gotten to one of the most famous moments in Final Fantasy VII. The Cross-Dressing sequence!

It is also one of the things that the makers of the remake has said will be definitely kept in the remake.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 24, 2016 • 7:15:22pm

re: #38 teleskiguy

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Yeah that’ll work.

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teleskiguy  Oct 24, 2016 • 7:15:43pm

re: #44 MsJ

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Barefoot Grin  Oct 24, 2016 • 7:16:47pm

re: #34 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Counter-example: Keith Richards.

Just sayin’

Keith probably quit in his late 30s early 40s; thereafter just booze and cigarettes and the occasional spliff. At least that’s how he tells it.

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Poligeek  Oct 24, 2016 • 7:17:44pm

Rick Wilson is suggesting there’s more to this.. and he would know, he’s one of the Republicans that had oppo research shopped around to them during primary season. Here’s his tweet RE: this article.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 24, 2016 • 7:17:48pm
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Belafon  Oct 24, 2016 • 7:19:17pm

re: #50 Backwoods_Sleuth

That’s a lot of undecideds.

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Belafon  Oct 24, 2016 • 7:19:48pm

re: #47 teleskiguy

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Another reason Clinton belongs on Mount Rushmore.

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Reality Based Steve  Oct 24, 2016 • 7:21:12pm

As an aside, I’m starting to get sucked into the Luke Cage series on Netflixs. It’s a bit slow starting, but I’m getting drawn in. Only on episode 2, and it’s starting to get intense.

RBS

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 24, 2016 • 7:21:51pm
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Stanley Sea  Oct 24, 2016 • 7:23:01pm

re: #49 Poligeek

Rick Wilson is suggesting there’s more to this.. and he would know, he’s one of the Republicans that had oppo research shopped around to them during primary season. Here’s his tweet RE: this article.

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Wonder if this is what he & Liz Mair were discussing.

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Trumpkins, Vote Nov. 28th!!  Oct 24, 2016 • 7:23:23pm

Breitbart coordinated with liberal activist and organizer who disrupted GOP primary campaign events

A liberal activist and organizer coordinated with reporters from the conservative news site Breitbart during the primaries to cover his disruptions of events for candidates such as Sen. Marco Rubio.
Aaron Black, an associate with Democracy Partners and a former Occupy Wall Street organizer, worked with the pro-Trump site Breitbart, tipping them off about his stunts, exchanging raw video and coordinating coverage, according to a source with direct knowledge of the situation.
Black has resurfaced recently as one of the people featured in undercover video from the Project Veritas group. In the video, he claims to work for the DNC. Though he does not appear on their payroll, his bio at Democracy Partners credits him with “working closely with the Democratic National Committee” during the 2012 election cycle. Black in the video says he helped organize violent protests in Chicago that led to Trump’s cancellation of a rally there in March.
According to the source, Black coordinated with Breitbart via email, phone and in person, including when he dressed up as a robot and trolled Marco Rubio’s events. The relationship was described as very friendly. An article subsequently published on Breitbart featured video footage of a physical confrontation between Black and Rubio’s New Hampshire campaign chairman.

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Lidane  Oct 24, 2016 • 7:25:47pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 24, 2016 • 7:28:10pm

Right-wing websites were once again duped by a fake “confidential memo” that spread like wildfire on Twitter, claiming the Hillary Clinton campaign was using “friendly” polling companies to “discourage Trump support.”

The “memo” claims to be from pro-Clinton super PAC Correct the Record. An excerpted portion claims to show a technique called “poll-flogging,” that implores PAC workers to use Reddit comment sections to “barrage (pages) with high-frequency recent polls… If target is hooked, move to swing-states (FL/PA) and declare election over.”

This is hysterical!

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Kragar  Oct 24, 2016 • 7:28:26pm
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teleskiguy  Oct 24, 2016 • 7:29:20pm

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goddamnedfrank  Oct 24, 2016 • 7:31:08pm
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Charles Johnson  Oct 24, 2016 • 7:32:07pm
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teleskiguy  Oct 24, 2016 • 7:32:53pm

Had to fix my #61. Used the wrong Hulk Hogan meme.

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The Madness of King Orange (aka Sophist)  Oct 24, 2016 • 7:33:25pm

The die is cast:

Bonus shenanigans:

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Barefoot Grin  Oct 24, 2016 • 7:33:50pm

OT: I just spent 50 minutes watching a fascinating video about photo negatives that have turned up from photographers assigned to create a positive image for Japan’s “Greater East Asian Co-Prosperity Sphere” for a magazine called “Front.” The documentary is on NHK.

I spent another hour reading (I know, don’t read the comments) the comments of the ネトウヨ (“net-ultranationalists”) writing about how either the Japanese Imperial Army was engaged in a righteous cause, or Japan is now both an actual and mental colony of America, etc. They have no education about the war. And why would they? The Japanese school system has treated it like something that had nothing to do with Japan. And I say this with dear friends who have been history teachers who tried their best to fill in the gaps against headwinds.

It’s happening all over the world right now. The facts don’t matter; nothing matters; it’s my team versus your team. I hope and hope I’m exaggerating.

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Lidane  Oct 24, 2016 • 7:35:04pm
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teleskiguy  Oct 24, 2016 • 7:36:22pm
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goddamnedfrank  Oct 24, 2016 • 7:37:14pm
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Sir_Checkmate  Oct 24, 2016 • 7:37:38pm

re: #66 Barefoot Grin

Unfortunately, Japan tends to be highly nationalistic, as are most Asian nations. There’s almost always been a massive cold relationship triangle between S. Korea, Japan, and China, because they all blame each other (accurately) for historical events, but never accept any blame towards themselves. And Japan seems particularly reticent to accept that the US aided them dramatically after the war.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 24, 2016 • 7:38:08pm

re: #68 teleskiguy

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They all look so excited to be there…

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Sir_Checkmate  Oct 24, 2016 • 7:38:28pm

re: #70 Sir_Checkmate

Should clarify, I mean east Asia. Sorry~

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freetoken  Oct 24, 2016 • 7:38:49pm

re: #50 Backwoods_Sleuth

That’s a huge undecided chunk in that AZ poll.

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Dragonomics  Oct 24, 2016 • 7:39:31pm

re: #67 Lidane

The linguistic case says pretty much everyone has a cock. LA Weekly

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 24, 2016 • 7:40:41pm
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goddamnedfrank  Oct 24, 2016 • 7:42:32pm
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Lidane  Oct 24, 2016 • 7:42:42pm
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freetoken  Oct 24, 2016 • 7:42:47pm

re: #66 Barefoot Grin

The Japanese teachers with whom I was passingly familiar would probably be described as “left wing” in that they had a more progressive view of society and accepted Japanese history.

Nationalism is inherent in humans; it’s the tribal manifest on a larger scale. It’s our default state. The big challenge is diplomacy and tearing down the walls, which visionaries have been trying to do for centuries (maybe millennia.)

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teleskiguy  Oct 24, 2016 • 7:43:13pm
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Emptor scriptor Remorse  Oct 24, 2016 • 7:43:37pm
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dangerman  Oct 24, 2016 • 7:44:16pm
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Barefoot Grin  Oct 24, 2016 • 7:44:53pm

re: #70 Sir_Checkmate

Unfortunately, Japan tends to be highly nationalistic, as are most Asian nations. There’s almost always been a massive cold relationship triangle between S. Korea, Japan, and China, because they all blame each other (accurately) for historical events, but never accept any blame towards themselves. And Japan seems particularly reticent to accept that the US aided them dramatically after the war.

Yep, and they have long had their own alt-right trolls, except that there are probably links to the goons who drive those trucks with loudspeakers around Tokyo that are on the payrolls of LDP and other right-wing politicians and may or may not be tied to yakuza.

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Belafon  Oct 24, 2016 • 7:45:00pm

re: #75 Backwoods_Sleuth

Stay excited and GOTV.

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retired cynic  Oct 24, 2016 • 7:45:59pm

re: #81 dangerman

Eric Trump: Polls Are Wrong, “You Can’t Go 500 Yards Without Seeing A Trump Sign”

yup. that absolutely accurate yard signs metric again.

He doesn’t drive around here, then! And this is a Red area of Illinois!

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Lidane  Oct 24, 2016 • 7:47:51pm

Happy to say that one of those votes today was mine. And I ended up encouraging my co-workers to vote since I had one of those handy-dandy “I Voted Early” stickers on, which got their attention.

I’m pretty sure that pointing out that the grocery store two minutes from the office is a polling place helped. I know several of my co-workers who’ll be going this week for sure. And the boss said people could take time off work to go. Sweet!

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Barefoot Grin  Oct 24, 2016 • 7:48:50pm

re: #78 freetoken

The Japanese teachers with whom I was passingly familiar would probably be described as “left wing” in that they had a more progressive view of society and accepted Japanese history.

Nationalism is inherent in humans; it’s the tribal manifest on a larger scale. It’s our default state. The big challenge is diplomacy and tearing down the walls, which visionaries have been trying to do for centuries (maybe millennia.)

I agree. I worked in schools and knew (he has died) a history teacher who was shuffled off to become a principal of an under-performing high school with zainichi-koreans and other misfits because he was a member of the Japan Communist Party and because he was anti-Emperor.

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Kragar  Oct 24, 2016 • 7:49:25pm
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A wild WITHAK appeared!  Oct 24, 2016 • 7:50:32pm

re: #49 Poligeek

Rick Wilson is suggesting there’s more to this.. and he would know, he’s one of the Republicans that had oppo research shopped around to them during primary season. Here’s his tweet RE: this article.

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I can’t believe I just followed Rick Wilson on Twitter.

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Poligeek  Oct 24, 2016 • 7:52:08pm

re: #88 A wild WITHAK appeared!

I can’t believe I just followed Rick Wilson on Twitter.

I did it a while ago. I realize he’s a conservative.. but he’s hilarious, snarky, and trolls Trump fans to no end. I would be more worried about the opposition party if more of them were as witty as he is.

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dangerman  Oct 24, 2016 • 7:52:17pm

re: #80 Emptor scriptor Remorse

Rob Halford and Baby Metal

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Video

if i had not seen the video i’da had an entirely different picture of they guy attached to that voice

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Lidane  Oct 24, 2016 • 7:52:21pm

re: #88 A wild WITHAK appeared!

I can’t believe I just followed Rick Wilson on Twitter.

I followed him a while ago, when he coined the Cheeto Jesus name.

Watching him kick Trumpers around for sport is hilarious. He’s merciless.

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Belafon  Oct 24, 2016 • 7:53:10pm

re: #89 Poligeek

I did it a while ago. I realize he’s a conservative.. but he’s hilarious, snarky, and trolls Trump fans to no end. I would be more worried about the opposition party if more of them were as witty as he is.

But I’d be less worried about them razing the country.

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Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Oct 24, 2016 • 7:53:49pm

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A wild WITHAK appeared!  Oct 24, 2016 • 7:54:05pm

re: #84 retired cynic

He doesn’t drive around here, then! And this is a Red area of Illinois!

I’ll counter Qusay’s anecdotal evidence with some of my own.

On a major highway near my house, someone who owns a farm field generally puts up giant, obnoxious campaign signs for GOP candidates — two for POTUS in presidential years.

In 2012, the Romney signs went up in August.

This year, he didn’t get the Trump signs up until early October.

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Charles Johnson  Oct 24, 2016 • 7:55:07pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 24, 2016 • 7:55:18pm
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Kragar  Oct 24, 2016 • 7:55:30pm
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Dr Lizardo  Oct 24, 2016 • 7:55:59pm

It looks like the Daily Telegraph did a real undercover investigation of Trump’s illicit foreign fundraising.

telegraph.co.uk

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Barefoot Grin  Oct 24, 2016 • 7:56:40pm

re: #97 Kragar

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Why the long face?

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FormerDirtDart  Oct 24, 2016 • 7:57:26pm

The week started off in typical NRA fashion early Sunday morning in Fort Worth…

“My wife woke me up and said someone is banging on the door,” Milner told the TV station. “Turns out what my wife heard were gunshots. From my understanding, the guy had an assault rife. From the looks of it, due to the shell casings, he unloaded the whole clip and killed two of the people who lived next door.”

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Dr Lizardo  Oct 24, 2016 • 7:57:38pm

re: #95 Charles Johnson

(((unnamed people)))

Yeah, pretty sure that’s what Trump meant.

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FormerDirtDart  Oct 24, 2016 • 7:58:49pm

re: #95 Charles Johnson

“International Bankers”

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Stanley Sea  Oct 24, 2016 • 8:00:20pm

Province of this photo? I could not locate.

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Kragar  Oct 24, 2016 • 8:00:53pm
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Lidane  Oct 24, 2016 • 8:01:00pm
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Stanley Sea  Oct 24, 2016 • 8:01:51pm

re: #93 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

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A wild WITHAK appeared!  Oct 24, 2016 • 8:02:04pm

re: #95 Charles Johnson

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When does he start ranting about chemicals in the water turnin’ all the frickin’ frogs gay?

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Joe Bacon  Oct 24, 2016 • 8:02:24pm

Marco came from Miami F.L.A.
Sold his soul across the U.S.A.
Plucked his conscience on the way
Dropped in to foam parties every day
He said, hey babe, take a walk on the Trump side,
Said, hey honey, take a walk on the Trump side.

Rudy came from out on the island,
In the backroom he was every Nazi’s darling,
But he never lost her head
Even when he’s declared brain dead
He says, hey babe, take a walk on the Trump side
Said, hey babe, take a walk on the Trump side

And the Koch Brothers go,
Doo doo doo doo doo doo doo doo doo
Doo doo doo doo doo doo doo doo doo
Doo doo doo doo doo doo doo doo doo
Doo doo doo doo doo doo doo doo doo
Doo doo doo doo doo doo doo doo doo
Doo doo doo doo doo doo doo doo doo
Doo doo doo doo doo doo doo doo doo doo

Big Fat Christie never once gave it away
Everybody had to pay and pay
A traffic cone here and a traffic cone there
Fort Lee is the place where they said:
Hey babe, take a walk on the Trump side
I said hey Chris, take a walk on the Trump side

Jerry Falwell Jr came and hit the streets
Lookin’ for a congregation he could fleece
Went to the Atlah Church
You should have seen him go, go, go
They said, hey Jerry take a walk on the Trump side
I said, hey babe, take a walk on the Trump side, alright, huh

Reince Priebus is just speeding away
Thought he was Karl Rove for a day
Then I guess he had to crash
Valium would have helped that bash
He said, hey babe, take a walk on the Trump side
I said, hey honey, take a walk on the Trump side
And the Republicans say

Doo doo doo doo doo doo doo doo doo
Doo doo doo doo doo doo doo doo doo
Doo doo doo doo doo doo doo doo doo
Doo doo doo doo doo doo doo doo doo
Doo doo doo doo doo doo doo doo doo
Doo doo doo doo doo doo doo doo doo
Doo doo doo doo doo doo doo doo doo doo

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goddamnedfrank  Oct 24, 2016 • 8:02:25pm
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lockjawcanbefun  Oct 24, 2016 • 8:02:42pm

re: #103 Stanley Sea

If I were a betting man, I’d bet the Thailand red shirt protests.

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freetoken  Oct 24, 2016 • 8:03:03pm

re: #107 A wild WITHAK appeared!

When does he start ranting about chemicals in the water turnin’ all the frickin’ frogs gay?

Just wait for it. After the loss and he pimps whatever new media venture he has, I expect lots of conspiracy stuff to be sold.

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Kragar  Oct 24, 2016 • 8:03:53pm
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Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Oct 24, 2016 • 8:03:56pm

re: #106 Stanley Sea

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Kragar  Oct 24, 2016 • 8:07:07pm
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Varek Raith  Oct 24, 2016 • 8:07:41pm

The Enquirer?
Rofl.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 24, 2016 • 8:08:28pm

re: #103 Stanley Sea

Province of this photo? I could not locate.

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what lockjaw said.
thesundaily.my

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freetoken  Oct 24, 2016 • 8:08:38pm

re: #115 Varek Raith

It’s all they have left.

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goddamnedfrank  Oct 24, 2016 • 8:09:23pm
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A wild WITHAK appeared!  Oct 24, 2016 • 8:09:54pm

I don’t know about you guys, but I’m waiting for the coveted Bat Boy endorsement before I make any decisions.

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Stanley Sea  Oct 24, 2016 • 8:12:39pm

re: #113 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

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Joe Bacon  Oct 24, 2016 • 8:14:22pm

Bat Boy Speaks!

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A wild WITHAK appeared!  Oct 24, 2016 • 8:15:22pm

re: #93 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

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FormerDirtDart  Oct 24, 2016 • 8:15:24pm
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jaunte  Oct 24, 2016 • 8:16:13pm

re: #103 Stanley Sea

Province of this photo? I could not locate.

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Red Shirt rally in Malaysia, September 2015
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 24, 2016 • 8:16:28pm

Lionel Sosa, a veteran ad maker from San Antonio, told The Texas Tribune on Monday he will cast his ballot for Clinton to send a “clear statement” against Republican nominee Donald Trump’s candidacy.

“I want to make sure that I do everything I can to see that Trump doesn’t get elected,” said Sosa, who has worked for Ronald Reagan and George W. Bush. “I’m doing this because I don’t think he’s a good representative of the Republican Party. It’s not the Republican Party I know.”

Sosa announced in June that he was leaving the GOP over Trump, writing in a San Antonio Express-News op-ed that Trump’s divisive candidacy left him with no choice. Two months later, Sosa joined the campaign of Libertarian nominee Gary Johnson, though Sosa said Monday that move did not amount to a strong enough rebuke of Trump.

“If I vote for Gary Johnson, it’s not enough of a statement,” said Sosa, who had been helping Johnson on a volunteer basis. “I must make a statement that Donald Trump cannot win.”

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Lidane  Oct 24, 2016 • 8:17:23pm

re: #103 Stanley Sea

Not 100% sure, but that might be a photo from a Thai red shirts protests in 2010.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Oct 24, 2016 • 8:17:40pm

re: #103 Stanley Sea

Province of this photo? I could not locate.

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They’re also using this photo:

Which is Korea for a World Cup several years ago as far as I could tell.

yunimda.blogspot.com

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goddamnedfrank  Oct 24, 2016 • 8:18:39pm
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Barefoot Grin  Oct 24, 2016 • 8:18:57pm

re: #127 GlutenFreeJesus

They’re also using this photo:

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Which is Korea for a World Cup several years ago as far as I could tell.

yunimda.blogspot.com

Looks like South Korean supporters in 2002.

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Kragar  Oct 24, 2016 • 8:21:52pm
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freetoken  Oct 24, 2016 • 8:22:29pm

re: #125 Backwoods_Sleuth

Technically former Republican. He made the news some months back about opposing Drumpfskind.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 24, 2016 • 8:22:54pm

re: #131 freetoken

Technically former Republican. He made the news some months back about opposing Drumpfskind.

It says that in the article.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 24, 2016 • 8:23:02pm
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freetoken  Oct 24, 2016 • 8:24:14pm

re: #132 Backwoods_Sleuth

His public bolting may have helped sway a few voters. I guess we’ll see soon enough.

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KingKenrod  Oct 24, 2016 • 8:24:15pm

I guess this is new? Trump gushes about Hillary Clinton in 2008.

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Charles Johnson  Oct 24, 2016 • 8:25:05pm
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BlueSpotinAL  Oct 24, 2016 • 8:25:10pm

re: #81 dangerman

Eric Trump: Polls Are Wrong, “You Can’t Go 500 Yards Without Seeing A Trump Sign”

yup. that absolutely accurate yard signs metric again.

I live in an area so red, that a red laser would be needed to get across on your screen how (R) it is here. On my drive to work, pass about 100 houses. TWO Trump Pence signs.

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freetoken  Oct 24, 2016 • 8:25:38pm

re: #136 Charles Johnson

You certainly have found a way to make new friends….

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Stanley Sea  Oct 24, 2016 • 8:25:48pm

re: #135 KingKenrod

I guess this is new? Trump gushes about Hillary Clinton in 2008.

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freetoken  Oct 24, 2016 • 8:26:24pm

re: #137 BlueSpotinAL

I’ve not seen any signs for Presidential candidates in my little corner of San Diego county.

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Reality Based Steve  Oct 24, 2016 • 8:26:50pm

re: #136 Charles Johnson

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Well that escalated quickly.

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A wild WITHAK appeared!  Oct 24, 2016 • 8:26:51pm

Foosball comedy break:

For the uninitiated, one of the worst NFL games of the young season (and probably of the last decade) took place last night, with two kickers missing chip-shot field goals and the game ending in a 6-6 tie.

Randy Moss, former Vikings wide receiver (and one of my favorite players) successfully kicked two field goals of the lengths that the pros missed last night.

In dress shoes.

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freetoken  Oct 24, 2016 • 8:27:30pm

re: #136 Charles Johnson

His twitter description:

Follow Yeshua ha Moshiach, Our Saviour Eternally

So very Christian, all those folk.

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Stanley Sea  Oct 24, 2016 • 8:28:27pm

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Charles Johnson  Oct 24, 2016 • 8:28:57pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 24, 2016 • 8:29:13pm
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Thanos  Oct 24, 2016 • 8:30:15pm

re: #103 Stanley Sea

Province of this photo? I could not locate.

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Looking at the brown people, black people, and hijab wearing people you can bet money that’s not a Trump rally.

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Varek Raith  Oct 24, 2016 • 8:30:51pm

re: #146 Backwoods_Sleuth

Delusional.

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austin_blue  Oct 24, 2016 • 8:31:15pm

re: #4 freetoken

As I asked downstairs - will this stick?

And I answered:

Given his history, all of it. If there is a Dog.

(By Dog, I mean a critical mass of human beings who can look at the totality of the facts and come to a reasonable conclusion. I know. Fuck my life.)

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A wild WITHAK appeared!  Oct 24, 2016 • 8:31:53pm

re: #146 Backwoods_Sleuth

Somebody’s vanity project being taken as a serious poll by an idiot Trumper.

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Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Oct 24, 2016 • 8:32:21pm

re: #144 Stanley Sea

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Maxwell Not So Smart  Oct 24, 2016 • 8:32:56pm

re: #136 Charles Johnson

Is a DOUCHE BAG PUSSY like a Grab her by the PUSSY?

Single minded violent robot people. Trump isn’t the kind of guy to incite violence among his supporters.

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Thanos  Oct 24, 2016 • 8:32:59pm

re: #136 Charles Johnson

The link on his twitter page goes a 9/11 truther page.

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Stanley Sea  Oct 24, 2016 • 8:35:27pm

re: #151 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

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freetoken  Oct 24, 2016 • 8:35:32pm

Regarding the latest episode of the new series Timeless:

What is it with time-travel stories and Nazis? The writers always go for the same tropes. This week both Timeless and Legends of Tomorrow have episodes on going back to WWII.

It’s just a sign of laziness on the part of the writers.

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teleskiguy  Oct 24, 2016 • 8:35:41pm

re: #146 Backwoods_Sleuth

California?!? Oregon?!? New York?!? MINNESOTA?!?

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goddamnedfrank  Oct 24, 2016 • 8:36:44pm
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Kragar  Oct 24, 2016 • 8:37:10pm

Reported for harassment

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teleskiguy  Oct 24, 2016 • 8:37:30pm

Fine upstanding citizen and devout Christian, I’m sure.

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A wild WITHAK appeared!  Oct 24, 2016 • 8:37:59pm

BTW, that @OpenPresPoll thing would be trivially easy to manipulate, or “rig,” in the parlance of our times.

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Anymouse  Oct 24, 2016 • 8:38:24pm

re: #103 Stanley Sea

Province of this photo? I could not locate.

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It looks an awful lot like the Thailand Red Shirt protests from 2010 … searching pictures but haven’t found this exact one.

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teleskiguy  Oct 24, 2016 • 8:38:33pm

re: #159 teleskiguy

Always fun to see RWNJs arguing with parody accounts.

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Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Oct 24, 2016 • 8:38:38pm

re: #154 Stanley Sea

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freetoken  Oct 24, 2016 • 8:39:10pm

Apparently today’s TV writers never read any history.

They never, for example, write a story that goes back to the great depression of 1896. Nope, never.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Oct 24, 2016 • 8:40:28pm

The only polls that are actually rigged are the ones Trump is winning.

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Thanos  Oct 24, 2016 • 8:41:01pm

re: #158 Kragar

Reported for harassment

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Also reported, white nationalist truther, this guy’s twisted beyond repair

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Oct 24, 2016 • 8:41:41pm

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MsJ  Oct 24, 2016 • 8:41:56pm

re: #127 GlutenFreeJesus

They’re also using this photo:

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Which is Korea for a World Cup several years ago as far as I could tell.

yunimda.blogspot.com

Christ, we’ve become the Crips and Bloods with politics dictating our uniforms.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 24, 2016 • 8:42:16pm
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Varek Raith  Oct 24, 2016 • 8:42:26pm

re: #167 Ziggy_TARDIS

It is most amusing.

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teleskiguy  Oct 24, 2016 • 8:43:58pm
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EPR-radar  Oct 24, 2016 • 8:43:59pm

re: #167 Ziggy_TARDIS

That’s definitely worth doing for the laughs.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 24, 2016 • 8:44:16pm
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Sionainn, the Nasty Devilbitch  Oct 24, 2016 • 8:45:00pm

re: #103 Stanley Sea

Province of this photo? I could not locate.

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I think I’ll wear red when I go to cast my vote for Hillary.

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austin_blue  Oct 24, 2016 • 8:46:38pm

re: #146 Backwoods_Sleuth

this is just sad…

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Satire site, gotta be. Stansaid airport, anyone?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 24, 2016 • 8:47:21pm
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BlueGrl21  Oct 24, 2016 • 8:47:43pm

The husband took my 11 and 14 year old boys with him to early vote today. Wore his “Obama 08” t-shirt. Doesn’t have Democrat or Hillary on it, so hey, trolling the local Texas Trumpsters made him quite happy.

He’s taken the boys with him to vote in every election that has happened since they were old enough to comprehend it. They get their “I Voted” stickers too. They are very familiar with the routine and rules at polling places and it fascinates them. We want voting to be second nature to them when they’re 18.

Me? This girl will vote on Election Day. I’ve always loved to go on that particular day…I go in the morning before work and wear my sticker all day. I will be in my pink cowgirl boots and I will vote for Hillary with pride. Our family is doing our part to turn Texas blue. Onward!

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Stanley Sea  Oct 24, 2016 • 8:48:36pm

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A wild WITHAK appeared!  Oct 24, 2016 • 8:49:53pm

I’m thinking of trying out early voting. Given the wife’s schedule on election day, she won’t be able to vote in the morning, and since she insists we vote together, it’s evening or nothing. I don’t want to deal with the wait time when it should be dinner time.

I just need to figure out who the hell to vote for in the school board races and I’m good to go.

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austin_blue  Oct 24, 2016 • 8:50:12pm

re: #173 Backwoods_Sleuth

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That’s not going to end well.

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Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Oct 24, 2016 • 8:50:49pm

re: #178 Stanley Sea

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 24, 2016 • 8:51:00pm

re: #175 austin_blue

Satire site, gotta be. Stansaid airport, anyone?

Sadly, I think not.

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Sherlock Hound  Oct 24, 2016 • 8:51:12pm

re: #67 Lidane

Leaves out Trump.

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MsJ  Oct 24, 2016 • 8:51:12pm

Obama on Kimmel tonight (soon).

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A wild WITHAK appeared!  Oct 24, 2016 • 8:51:51pm

re: #175 austin_blue

See my #150.

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austin_blue  Oct 24, 2016 • 8:52:41pm

re: #182 Backwoods_Sleuth

Sadly, I think not.

Well then, ignorant fuckwits.

Gotta be one or the other.

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Sherlock Hound  Oct 24, 2016 • 8:53:56pm

re: #65 The Madness of King Orange (aka Sophist)

I would have drawn a line from Weld to Johnson and marked it “Wish I was at the top of the ticket!”

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Feline Fearless Leader  Oct 24, 2016 • 8:54:52pm

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Anymouse  Oct 24, 2016 • 8:55:44pm

re: #124 jaunte

Red Shirt rally in Malaysia, September 2015
google.com

Someone ought to troll the Twitter account Deplorable J D which posted the picture, noting that a huge portion of the Malay population is behind Trump and Pence.

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MsJ  Oct 24, 2016 • 8:57:46pm

Obama reads Mean Tweet from trump: Obama will go down as the worst president in history.

Obama: At least I’ll go down as a president.

BOOM!

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Anymouse  Oct 24, 2016 • 8:57:46pm

Time to pull out my ballot and vote. Aside from Hillary Clinton and Tim Kaine, I have no one but Republicans to vote for (sigh).

So do I vote for the crazy one, or the wingnut one, or the science denying one? Or try to find the one who embodies all those qualities?

Be right back.

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freetoken  Oct 24, 2016 • 8:58:12pm

Fiction writers and time-travel… foo, at least for TV, they’re just lousy.

As I noted, has anyone seen an episode/movie that went back to 1896?

Just think about it - what if McKinley never became President. Not only would foreign and economic policy be different, but Teddy Roosevelt may never have gotten the promotions he did, thus perhaps never becoming President. The world would be different today. But no, always back to the Nazis with the lazy time-travel stories.

My grandfather was almost a teenager when McKinley became President. Makes me feel… kind of old.

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goddamnedfrank  Oct 24, 2016 • 8:58:41pm
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Shiplord Kirel  Oct 24, 2016 • 9:00:01pm

Walking Dead spoiler:

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 24, 2016 • 9:00:15pm

Little-known change to Wisconsin voting law could affect voters who plan to mail in absentee ballots this November

Voters who mail in their absentee ballots have an earlier deadline to do so this year under a new state law that took effect last month.

Under the law the absentee ballots must be received by 8 p.m. on Election Day, Nov. 8, in order to count. Previously, mail-in absentee ballots had to be postmarked by Election Day and received by a clerk’s office by 4 p.m. on the next Friday.

The new law is one of a handful of changes to voting rules that could trip up some of the half-million to a million people in the state who only turn out to vote once every four years for presidential elections.

The most substantial change for them will be the new voter ID requirement, which critics fear will cause long lines on Election Day and result in some eligible voters being turned away at the polls. Supporters say the requirement will prevent voter fraud, though incidents of illegal voter impersonation are exceptionally rare.

The new deadline for absentee ballots could catch the most stalwart voters by surprise because it wasn’t in effect during the August primary. The law was enacted in March, but it wasn’t set to take effect until September.

Elections officials are advising people to mail their ballots at least six days ahead of time, said Andrea Kaminski, executive director of the League of Women Voters of Wisconsin.

Reid Magney, spokesman for the state Elections Commission, urged mail-in absentee voters to send in their ballots as soon as possible, and definitely no later than Nov. 1.

“The post office can take up to one week to deliver mail now, and their vote is too valuable to risk to a late mailing because it has to be at the clerk’s office on Election Day,” Magney said.

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FormerDirtDart  Oct 24, 2016 • 9:00:33pm
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Stanley Sea  Oct 24, 2016 • 9:01:05pm

Dreggas

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GlutenFreeJesus  Oct 24, 2016 • 9:01:19pm

Yeah. No.

Password changed.

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Kragar  Oct 24, 2016 • 9:03:14pm
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Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Oct 24, 2016 • 9:03:41pm

re: #197 Stanley Sea

Dreggas

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We did, been cooking all day and had a big viewing party for the 5pm airing on satellite. With that I am off to bed! Night Lizards!

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Varek Raith  Oct 24, 2016 • 9:05:23pm

re: #199 Kragar

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WHAT ABOUT THE ALIEN BABY?!

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freetoken  Oct 24, 2016 • 9:06:42pm

I just realized… my grandpa’s mom was born when Zachary Taylor was President.

Ok, now I feel really old.

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Stanley Sea  Oct 24, 2016 • 9:08:18pm

re: #200 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

His wife won an episode of Cake Wars FYI. YOOOOGE

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goddamnedfrank  Oct 24, 2016 • 9:08:48pm

Wow, it happened, someone actually jumped into my mentions to argue that it matters that the Podestas like fancy sour cream.

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freetoken  Oct 24, 2016 • 9:09:51pm

My grandpa’s grandpa was born when… Thomas Jefferson was President.

I think I now realize why I can’t relate to kids these days.

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Varek Raith  Oct 24, 2016 • 9:11:01pm

re: #205 freetoken

My grandpa’s grandpa was born when… Thomas Jefferson was President.

I think I now realize why I can’t relate to kids these days.

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teleskiguy  Oct 24, 2016 • 9:11:02pm

re: #204 goddamnedfrank

Dude, that’s fuckin’ weird, man …

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FormerDirtDart  Oct 24, 2016 • 9:12:03pm

CNN anchor Anderson Cooper shot back with the best comeback. He said in the most matter-of-fact way, “I also hear on Twitter that 9/11 is an inside job.”

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GlutenFreeJesus  Oct 24, 2016 • 9:13:00pm
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Tigger2  Oct 24, 2016 • 9:14:49pm

re: #209 GlutenFreeJesus

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Wingnuts make it so easy.

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jaunte  Oct 24, 2016 • 9:16:04pm
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Donkey With No Name  Oct 24, 2016 • 9:19:13pm

re: #84 retired cynic

He doesn’t drive around here, then! And this is a Red area of Illinois!

By that metric Texas is going blue; I drove around Hays County the other day and the Clinton signs outnumbered Trump 10 to 1.

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makeitstop  Oct 24, 2016 • 9:19:20pm

re: #208 FormerDirtDart

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That woman has no pride. None.

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Decatur Deb  Oct 24, 2016 • 9:22:15pm

re: #213 makeitstop

That woman has no pride. None.

Have you priced pride lately?

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Anymouse  Oct 24, 2016 • 9:24:34pm

Done voting. Easy to do when you choose not to vote for the Fascist Party and:

a) Everyone on the ballot is a member of that party except for Hillary Clinton, Gary Johnson, and Jill Stein

b) There is only one referendum (retain or repeal the death penalty law passed in 2015)

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freetoken  Oct 24, 2016 • 9:26:03pm

We all have 2nd great grandparents who were born a long time ago, maybe some of us older ones have them born back in the very early days of our country. Just looking at the family tree I mentioned, I realize that my aunt’s grandma’s grandpa (said women being born on the farm of his) was born before the Battle of Saratoga.

Anyway, history runs deep and the changes have been so great in the 20th century, and I ascribe that change as the primary cause of the angst our body politic is feeling today.

A perspective that is lost I think on so much punditry and commentary today.

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Stanley Sea  Oct 24, 2016 • 9:26:52pm

re: #213 makeitstop

That woman has no pride. None.

Fake conservatism & $$$$$$$$$$$

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prairiefire  Oct 24, 2016 • 9:27:57pm

re: #214 Decatur Deb

Have you priced pride lately?

$2.99 per pound of flop sweat.

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Frenchy  Oct 24, 2016 • 9:28:31pm

Does it strike anyone else as extremely low-rent that Trump gives so many interviews to small local affiliates? In fact those seem to be the only interviews he gives these days.

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freetoken  Oct 24, 2016 • 9:29:53pm

re: #219 Frenchy

Maybe the locals are so happy to finally score “the big one” they give him more deferential treatment?

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Anymouse  Oct 24, 2016 • 9:30:34pm

re: #213 makeitstop

That woman has no pride. None.

This quote was in reference to President Harding, but Treasury Secretary William McAdoo could have been speaking of any Trump surrogate:

McAdoo said his public utterances were “an army of pompous phrases moving over the landscape in search of an idea”.

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prairiefire  Oct 24, 2016 • 9:31:07pm

re: #209 GlutenFreeJesus

Those fuckers still think they can pull off this ruse.

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jaunte  Oct 24, 2016 • 9:33:23pm
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Anymouse  Oct 24, 2016 • 9:33:36pm

Well, in my Unicameral election, of the two GOPers running, one is on my county commission and is expected to win.

If he wins, then he has to give up his county commission seat and I will throw my hat in the ring for his old seat. (Bonus, I get to keep my village board seat if I don’t win.)

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Joe Bacon  Oct 24, 2016 • 9:33:55pm

Christian, no but KKKri$tian, yes!

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Tigger2  Oct 24, 2016 • 9:34:59pm

Mean Tweets.

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Decatur Deb  Oct 24, 2016 • 9:35:03pm

re: #222 prairiefire

Those fuckers still think they can pull off this ruse.

Kid on the lion is still the saddest image of the campaign.

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goddamnedfrank  Oct 24, 2016 • 9:36:23pm
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Anymouse  Oct 24, 2016 • 9:36:25pm

re: #226 Tigger2

Dagnabbit Firefox blocking Twitter video… .

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Stanley Sea  Oct 24, 2016 • 9:36:28pm

re: #219 Frenchy

Does it strike anyone else as extremely low-rent that Trump gives so many interviews to small local affiliates? In fact those seem to be the only interviews he gives these days.

And he bailed out of one of those easy peasy ones today

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retired cynic  Oct 24, 2016 • 9:36:46pm

re: #227 Decatur Deb

Kid on the lion is still the saddest image of the campaign.

That’s what I think every time I see that photo.

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prairiefire  Oct 24, 2016 • 9:37:38pm

re: #227 Decatur Deb

Kid on the lion is still the saddest image of the campaign.

Omg, the saddest kid.

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Joe Bacon  Oct 24, 2016 • 9:38:12pm
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prairiefire  Oct 24, 2016 • 9:38:32pm

re: #232 prairiefire

Sadder than Tiffany, and I mean no disrespect.

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MsJ  Oct 24, 2016 • 9:39:05pm

re: #227 Decatur Deb

Kid on the lion is still the saddest image of the campaign.

With the two toy limos and a sports car.

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MsJ  Oct 24, 2016 • 9:40:03pm

re: #229 Anymouse

Dagnabbit Firefox blocking Twitter video… .

I have to use chrome to watch videos, even after following the Firefox instructions.

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Stanley Sea  Oct 24, 2016 • 9:42:18pm

re: #227 Decatur Deb

Kid on the lion is still the saddest image of the campaign.

Plus as VB said, the swirl of her “dress” is for the photo.

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Sherlock Hound  Oct 24, 2016 • 9:43:40pm

re: #228 goddamnedfrank

African-Americans coined the expression “woke”. Jill has no right to appropriate it. Greens were supposed to venerate and respect minority cultures, none of which she has ever belonged to.

Being a NIMBY in Lexington doesn’t count.

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Rightwingconspirator  Oct 24, 2016 • 9:44:13pm

November 9th there will be a partisan refugee problem. The flood of GOP refugees fleeing the specter and the looses suffered by Donald Trump and down ticket candidates will become a burden on local resources of patience and forbearance. Fortunately some kindly Indy and Democratic party people have been preparing GOP Refugee Camps where Republicans can ponder the political future in a safe place away from angry loser Trumpsters and Clinton Derangement Syndrome media sources until inauguration day.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Oct 24, 2016 • 9:46:22pm

re: #192 freetoken

Fiction writers and time-travel… foo, at least for TV, they’re just lousy.

As I noted, has anyone seen an episode/movie that went back to 1896?

Just think about it - what if McKinley never became President. Not only would foreign and economic policy be different, but Teddy Roosevelt may never have gotten the promotions he did, thus perhaps never becoming President. The world would be different today. But no, always back to the Nazis with the lazy time-travel stories.

My grandfather was almost a teenager when McKinley became President. Makes me feel… kind of old.

Not impressed. Mine was 40 years old at that time, and died in ‘42. He and my father “stretched” the generations.

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Decatur Deb  Oct 24, 2016 • 9:47:59pm

re: #239 Great White Snark

[Embedded content]

November 9th there will be a partisan refugee problem. The flood of GOP refugees fleeing the specter and the looses suffered by Donald Trump and down ticket candidates will become a burden on local resources of patience and forbearance. Fortunately some kindly Indy and Democratic party people have been preparing GOP Refugee Camps where Republicans can ponder the political future in a safe place away from angry loser Trumpsters and Clinton Derangement Syndrome media sources until inauguration day.

Clinton talking points now include the necessity of reaching out and reuniting with all but the most deplorable of our RW brethern. (After severe vetting, I hope.)

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majii  Oct 24, 2016 • 9:49:15pm

re: #227 Decatur Deb

“Kid on the lion is still the saddest image of the campaign.”

I agree. My parents had pics of myself and my siblings on rocking horses and in little chairs. They would have thought a kid sitting on a yuuuge stuffed lion would have been an example of very poor taste. When Trump claims he’s an outsider, he’s right to a certain extent because he’s spent his entire life trying to get recognition from other rich New Yorkers who personify not only wealth but class, things he knows he will never have. Someone dropped the ball when he was being reared because it seems to me the only thing he ever learned was how to use his wealth to bully others and get what he wants. He has to be depressed right about now because for probably the first time in his adult life, there’s something he wants and millions of us are defiantly opposed to him getting it.

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Anymouse  Oct 24, 2016 • 9:50:09pm

Five Republicans threaten to sue television and radio outlets for airing DCCC adverts linking them to Donald Trump:

huffingtonpost.com

Just two weeks before Election Day, five Republicans ― Reps. Bob Dold (R-Ill.), Mike Coffman (R-Colo.), David Jolly (R-Fla.), John Katko (R-N.Y.) and Brian Fitzpatrick, a Pennsylvania Republican running for an open seat that’s currently occupied by his brother ― contend that certain commercials paid for by the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee provide false or misleading information by connecting them to the GOP nominee.

Trump is so terrible, these Republicans are essentially arguing, that tying them to him amounts to defamation.

The Streisand Effect, how does it work? And suing the TV and radio outlets rather than the DCCC?

Plus that ought to be gold for the Democratic Party: New advert: these five Republicans contend their candidate is toxic.

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austin_blue  Oct 24, 2016 • 9:52:53pm

Goodnight all!

Don’t let your eft be the newt of your dreams!

I think I’ll just leave that existential statement right there.

Discuss!

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Oct 24, 2016 • 9:53:31pm

re: #232 prairiefire

Omg, the saddest kid.

Probably that lion wasn’t too happy about things at one point, either.

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Kragar  Oct 24, 2016 • 9:53:32pm
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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Oct 24, 2016 • 9:54:59pm

re: #238 Sherlock Hound

African-Americans coined the expression “woke”. Jill has no right to appropriate it. Greens were supposed to venerate and respect minority cultures, none of which she has ever belonged to.

Being a NIMBY in Lexington doesn’t count.

It’s not just Stein. The alt right crowd has appropriated “woke,” too. Bro.

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majii  Oct 24, 2016 • 9:55:54pm

re: #243 Anymouse

“Five Republicans threaten to sue television and radio outlets for airing DCCC adverts linking them to Donald Trump:”

They can take a short step off the nearest cliff as far as I’m concerned. In 2010 and 2012, they had no problem running vicious ads against President Obama, featuring him with Democratic politicians they were running against, and they based them on lies. I stopped reading online newspapers here in GA in 2010 and 2012 because it made me angry that they were doing it and thought nothing of lying their butts off to win elections. They can dish it, but they sure can’t take it.

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Anymouse  Oct 24, 2016 • 9:57:07pm

re: #248 majii

“Five Republicans threaten to sue television and radio outlets for airing DCCC adverts linking them to Donald Trump:”

They can take a short step off the nearest cliff as far as I’m concerned. In 2010 and 2012, they had no problem running vicious ads against President Obama, featuring him with Democratic politicians they were running against, and they based them on lies. I stopped reading online newspapers here in GA in 2010 and 2012 because it made me angry that they were doing it and thought nothing of lying their butts off to win elections. They can dish it, but they sure can’t take it.

Yup, plus Republicans generally are against abortion. They have to carry the Trump campaign to term.

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Anymouse  Oct 24, 2016 • 9:58:52pm

Those five Republican politicians need to be mercilessly trolled on Twitter and Facebook.

“Sorry, you can’t abort your party’s nominee, you have to carry him to term.”

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Oct 24, 2016 • 9:59:47pm

re: #242 majii

I agree. My parents had pics of myself and my siblings on rocking horses and in little chairs. They would have thought a kid sitting on a yuuuge stuffed lion would have been an example of very poor taste.

From the photos I’ve seen of Trump’s digs, he has no taste. Gold everywhere. It’s opulence on display to show off wealth, and that’s it.

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freetoken  Oct 24, 2016 • 10:01:19pm

re: #251 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Garish. That is the word to describe Drumpfskind and his tastes.

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Kragar  Oct 24, 2016 • 10:05:04pm

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teleskiguy  Oct 24, 2016 • 10:06:04pm

re: #242 majii

Bless you majii! Love your stuff, love you!!!

:-D

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austin_blue  Oct 24, 2016 • 10:07:45pm

re: #232 prairiefire

Omg, the saddest kid.

Shit, did you ever get to sit on a stuffed lion? I imagine Baron was just happier than a pig in shit.

Ten years from now, when he realizes that his dad is a misogynist, homophobic, racist, child rapist disaster of a human being, he will look back on that moment as the highlight of his life.

That will be the point when his reality will kick in. And everyone will treat him like the scum that his father made him.

Poor kid.

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freetoken  Oct 24, 2016 • 10:10:45pm

Drumpfskind’s interior design is reminiscent of what the Meiji era Japanese royal family tried to do, in copying European excesses of the time:

Image: Houmei-Den_of_Meiji_Palace.JPG

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retired cynic  Oct 24, 2016 • 10:11:25pm

re: #255 austin_blue

Shit, did you ever get to sit on a stuffed lion? I imagine Baron was just happier than a pig in shit. …

He doesn’t look very happy.

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Anymouse  Oct 24, 2016 • 10:11:27pm

washingtonpost.com

This is an exceptional article.

It chronicles Derek Black, son of Don Black, the founder of Stormfront.

Derek Black for years was being trained up by Don Black to take over his hate empire of radio and Internet, but Derek Black decided to leave the white supremacist movement entirely. He repudiated all he previously stood for (and is essentially an outcast from his family now).

He moved away from his family to live in obscurity, but the Post tracked Derek Black down for an interview, which after some consideration he chose to give.

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prairiefire  Oct 24, 2016 • 10:16:12pm

re: #255 austin_blue

I think he’ll join Americorp or the Peace Corp at 18, after trying to keep his shit
from being jacked for the next 8 years. Bless him, he’s woke and proof of evolution.

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prairiefire  Oct 24, 2016 • 10:18:15pm

re: #256 freetoken

Eastern (cough) European influences.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Oct 24, 2016 • 10:23:34pm

re: #226 Tigger2

I love watching him when he’s laid back and having fun. And that Trump burn at the end, nice!

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freetoken  Oct 24, 2016 • 10:42:59pm

Our elections really are now part of the entertainment business:

AMC Theatres Broadcasting Presidential Election Results

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Anymouse  Oct 24, 2016 • 10:48:09pm

re: #262 freetoken

Our elections really are now part of the entertainment business:

AMC Theatres Broadcasting Presidential Election Results

Well, that really isn’t much different from newsreels from the Thirties and Forties.

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Ubiq  Oct 24, 2016 • 10:58:43pm

Hmmm, that reminds me. The Alamo is probably doing an event.

Which is cool, because i’ll be surrounded by liberals and there will be lots of beer.

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Anymouse  Oct 24, 2016 • 10:59:11pm

My wife just finished her ballot.

As it turns out, there is an open seat on the village board, and no one registered as a candidate (so its all write-in).

Both of us voted for our ex-mayor; it would be something if he were elected with two votes. (When I was on the ballot in 2014, I was reëlected with 27 votes.)

He said the equivalent of “if drafted I will not run, if elected I will not serve” some months ago … we’ll have to see what happens.

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goddamnedfrank  Oct 24, 2016 • 11:05:00pm
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freetoken  Oct 24, 2016 • 11:08:13pm

re: #263 Anymouse

Well, that really isn’t much different from newsreels from the Thirties and Forties.

But in this case, AMC is having “red” and “blue” tickets so one can go to the party of their choice. it really is about entertainment and partying.

Newsreels of the pre WWII days and during the war served in lieu of television we have today, true. But there really was a journalism aspect to it, as for most Americans there was not another way to get video of what was happening.

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Anymouse  Oct 24, 2016 • 11:15:50pm

re: #267 freetoken

But in this case, AMC is having “red” and “blue” tickets so one can go to the party of their choice. it really is about entertainment and partying.

Newsreels of the pre WWII days and during the war served in lieu of television we have today, true. But there really was a journalism aspect to it, as for most Americans there was not another way to get video of what was happening.

Hm. Well, we don’t have any movie theatres around here, so I’ve missed out on what they’re doing lately.

I imaging the “red ticket” party would be pretty depressing… .

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Oct 24, 2016 • 11:18:06pm

Another fatal explosion in China

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goddamnedfrank  Oct 24, 2016 • 11:18:19pm

This is my brand.

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teleskiguy  Oct 24, 2016 • 11:20:20pm
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Anymouse  Oct 24, 2016 • 11:21:42pm

re: #270 goddamnedfrank

Too bad you had to change your Twitter handle when you were quoted on television.

Since I am not on Twitter, I go for the gratuitous profanity at Wonkette.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Oct 24, 2016 • 11:34:38pm

This photo just begs for a snarky caption

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Anymouse  Oct 24, 2016 • 11:39:39pm

huffingtonpost.com

$300,000 worth of small donor’s money went to Donald Trump’s publisher to pay for copies of “The Art of the Deal.”

WASHINGTON ― Donald Trump used small donors’ money to buy nearly $300,000 worth of books from the publisher of his Art of the Deal last month, continuing a pattern of plowing campaign money back into his own businesses.

The Oct. 15 Federal Election Commission filing for Trump Make America Great Again Committee does not specify which books in particular were purchased, but the committee’s own website suggests it was Trump’s 1987 business bestseller.

Grifters gotta grift. The GOP should have seen this coming when they nominated Sarah Palin for VP… .

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majii  Oct 24, 2016 • 11:48:27pm

re: #274 Anymouse

“Grifters gotta grift. The GOP should have seen this coming when they nominated Sarah Palin for VP… .”

After running as McCain’s VP candidate and quitting her job as governor of Alaska, Sarah Palin set up her grifting operation, and in less than one year, she was a new millionaire. Trump seems to be following her act by using Facebook to launch a nightly “news” although, no one in his campaign will admit it’s a test run for plans to establish Trump TV. I read about a hour ago that over one million tuned in to watch the broadcast. I wasn’t one of them and never will be.

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Ace-o-aces  Oct 24, 2016 • 11:57:23pm
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teleskiguy  Oct 25, 2016 • 12:09:00am
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goddamnedfrank  Oct 25, 2016 • 12:13:44am
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Anymouse  Oct 25, 2016 • 12:14:32am

Checklist for tomorrow:

a) Drop off ballots
b) Cat to vet
c) While cat is at vet, go to Mexican restaurant next door for excellent Trump taco plate.

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goddamnedfrank  Oct 25, 2016 • 12:20:25am
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Anymouse  Oct 25, 2016 • 12:21:35am
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Anymouse  Oct 25, 2016 • 12:25:09am
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goddamnedfrank  Oct 25, 2016 • 12:29:15am

re: #280 goddamnedfrank

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Anymouse  Oct 25, 2016 • 12:49:34am

Des Moines Register trying to blame Republican inaction in the Senate on both parties, over a bill to properly staff veterans suicide lines (which go unanswered 1/3 of the time), and bashing the VA (which cannot do anything unless the Republicans pass the bill).

desmoinesregister.com

The bill is called the “No Veterans Crisis Line Call Should Go Unanswered Act,” and it was approved by the House on a 357-0 vote before the Senate decided to leave town for a six-week recess without voting on the measure. “These practical fixes to the Veterans Crisis Line have received widespread support by Republicans and Democrats alike,” Young says.

Yet those same Democrats and Republicans couldn’t get the bill to President Obama’s desk for his signature. Both siderism!

There was a move two weeks ago by Senate Republicans to approve the bill through unanimous consent, which doesn’t require a floor vote, but it came too late. The effort was launched after it had been announced that there would be no more votes in the Senate until after the Nov. 8 election.

Who schedules votes for bills? Not Harry Reid. This is all Republican-led gridlock, and it is shameful the editor of the Register is trying to push a magic balance fairy argument here on the backs of veterans.

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goddamnedfrank  Oct 25, 2016 • 12:56:28am
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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Oct 25, 2016 • 12:57:19am

The New Yorker has a long profile of Mike Cernovich, and the “Trolls for Trump.”

newyorker.com

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Anymouse  Oct 25, 2016 • 1:02:34am

Comment over at Huffington Post on the article about Donald Trump using his campaign donations to buy his own books and re-sell them on his own campaign Website:

Let me get this straight: he takes small donor’s money…uses it to buy a ton of his books from the publisher…and then SELLS the books for nearly $200 on his website…BACK to the people who’s money he used to buy them.

Are Trump supportes reading this? He *hates* you. He’s *conning* you. Good God, wake up. The guy just 3 years ago was saying that illegal immigrants are wonderful and that nobody should deport them. He doesn’t *believe* any of the crap he’s saying. He’s *GRIFTING* you guys. Have some respect for yourself and crawl out of the self-reflective mirror dome you’re existing in that allows you to let this guy keep telling you want you want to hear, manipulate you into a hate frezy and clutch the fact that this guy is *playing* you. You’re literally paying for the *gold plated sinks* on his jet (look it up).

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 25, 2016 • 1:15:16am

re: #287 Anymouse

Comment over at Huffington Post on the article about Donald Trump using his campaign donations to buy his own books and re-sell them on his own campaign Website:

My girlfriend’s cousin, a pain management doctor in Texas, just bought himself a 16,000 square foot house.

Socialized medicine means doctors like that will have to make do with a mere 11,000 square feet!!!

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Single-handed sailor  Oct 25, 2016 • 1:16:53am

re: #286 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

The New Yorker has a long profile of Mike Cernovich, and the “Trolls for Trump.”

newyorker.com

Cernovich? Isn’t that one of Milo’s fag hags?

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Anymouse  Oct 25, 2016 • 1:23:53am
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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Oct 25, 2016 • 1:24:01am

re: #289 Single-handed sailor

Cernovich? Isn’t that one of Milo’s fag hags?

Cernovich is an MRA, GamerGate, alt right, Trump troll. He and Milo travel in the same circles, and Rage Furby is one of his fanbois.

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Anymouse  Oct 25, 2016 • 1:48:12am

Okay, I haven’t heard this conspiracy theory yet:

inquisitr.com

“Democrats Have a False Flag Alien UFO Invasion Plan to Scuttle November 8 Election: Project Firesign Is Designed to Allow Obama to Declare Martial Law and Install Hillary Clinton as President”

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 25, 2016 • 1:53:28am

re: #293 Anymouse

The real strategy seems to involve establishing the words “rigged election” in people’s minds to the point that one cannot say one word without thinking the other.

Then make sure that there are a lot of “incidents” and “irregularities” connected to the election that they have grounds to call the results into question for the next three months.

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Anymouse  Oct 25, 2016 • 1:56:33am

re: #294 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

The real strategy seems to involve establishing the words “rigged election” minds to the point that one cannot say one word without thinking the other.

Then make sure that there are a lot of “incidents” and “irregularities” connected to the election that they have grounds to call the results into question for the next three months.

I haven’t heard any of my Republican neighbours around my village make any such claims. They are mostly just disgusted with their candidate and a lot have said they simply will not vote.

That would look suspicious though if my precinct (the village and surrounding rural area) only had a few votes for Hillary Clinton and Tim Kaine (my wife, my very few liberal neighbours, and me) and none for Donald Trump and Mike Pence because everyone else didn’t vote.

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Anymouse  Oct 25, 2016 • 1:58:06am

If President Obama could fake a massive alien invasion, he deserves to stay in office. /s

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Anymouse  Oct 25, 2016 • 1:59:35am
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Shiplord Kirel  Oct 25, 2016 • 2:11:17am

re: #293 Anymouse

Okay, I haven’t heard this conspiracy theory yet:

inquisitr.com

“Democrats Have a False Flag Alien UFO Invasion Plan to Scuttle November 8 Election: Project Firesign Is Designed to Allow Obama to Declare Martial Law and Install Hillary Clinton as President”

The Outer Limits: The Architects of Fear

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Anymouse  Oct 25, 2016 • 2:15:56am

re: #298 Shiplord Kirel

The Outer Limits: The Architects of Fear

So the wingnuts are not even original; they ripped off an old television show?

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 25, 2016 • 2:19:51am

re: #299 Anymouse

So the wingnuts are not even original; they ripped off an old television show?

It fits the narrative, fills space and attracts clicks.

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Shiplord Kirel  Oct 25, 2016 • 2:21:16am

re: #299 Anymouse

So the wingnuts are not even original; they ripped off an old television show?

The idea had been used in written SF many years before even that. It’s actually amazing how old some of the popular conspiracy theories are. The “secret Walmart tunnels” have been around since the 70s, though not associated with Walmart until recently. The various UN invasion scenarios were so popular in the 80s that they led to a network mini-series, Amerika.

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Anymouse  Oct 25, 2016 • 2:25:47am

re: #300 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

re: #301 Shiplord Kirel

That’s what I get for growing up without television and not owning one as an adult.

It is my fault I don’t understand recycled conservative conspiracy theories. /s

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Oct 25, 2016 • 2:34:55am

re: #293 Anymouse

Okay, I haven’t heard this conspiracy theory yet:

inquisitr.com

“Democrats Have a False Flag Alien UFO Invasion Plan to Scuttle November 8 Election: Project Firesign Is Designed to Allow Obama to Declare Martial Law and Install Hillary Clinton as President”

Trump has brought out the loonies from their hidey holes. The globalnews . asia crap I posted above proposes that the FBI is in on a conspiracy allowing Hillary to skate free from felony charges, so citizens must arrest her themselves. The author is a wackadoodle expat who now lives in China with his Chinese wife. I follow him on WeChat.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Oct 25, 2016 • 2:40:02am

I just watched episode 4 of Westworld. I’m liking it. but

what kind of sloppy tech leaves a bullet inside a host’s body? Is it SOP to have hosts walk around with metal fragments inside them?

Also, never trust a man who says he’s not insane.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 25, 2016 • 3:23:31am

re: #303 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Trump has brought out the loonies from their hidey holes.

It is the great American egalitarian tradition that anybody’s opinion is as good as anybody else’s, and “educated elites” are somehow suspect because they use big words that we don’t understand.

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FormerDirtDart  Oct 25, 2016 • 3:25:00am

re: #293 Anymouse

Okay, I haven’t heard this conspiracy theory yet:

inquisitr.com

“Democrats Have a False Flag Alien UFO Invasion Plan to Scuttle November 8 Election: Project Firesign Is Designed to Allow Obama to Declare Martial Law and Install Hillary Clinton as President”

Fire Sign is an offshoot of Project Blue Beam. NASA attempting to bring on the New World Order by simulating a second coming, thus initiating a world wide religion following the antichrist

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dangerman  Oct 25, 2016 • 3:32:12am

compare and contrast

electoral-vote.com

the entire quote from ev:

Clinton Gets a Surprise $35 Million Donation

Silicon Valley has no use for Donald Trump. We saw that again yesterday when a relatively unknown billionaire, Dustin Moskovitz, wrote Hillary Clinton another check. This one was for $15 million. The one a few weeks ago was for $20 million. This is starting to get into serious money, although to Moskovitz, who cofounded Facebook and is worth an estimated $13 billion, it’s not that big. There was no hint before September that he was especially interested in politics, but apparently he is. Democrats are hoping that he and his friends in Silicon Valley can be their answer to the Koch brothers. In any event, the $35 million will come in handy in the next two weeks.

while billionaire in his own right Peter Thiel who spoke at the republican convention donates a whopping $1.25m to support trump

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Nojay UK  Oct 25, 2016 • 3:33:07am

re: #304 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Also, never trust a man who says he’s not insane.

“I’m not mad, and I’ve got a certificate to prove it!”

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dangerman  Oct 25, 2016 • 3:35:22am

re: #308 Nojay UK

“I’m not mad, and I’ve got a certificate to prove it!”

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Timothy Watson  Oct 25, 2016 • 3:36:00am

re: #304 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

I just watched episode 4 of Westworld. I’m liking it. but

[Embedded content]

Also, never trust a man who says he’s not insane.

I am not crazy, my mother had me tested!

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Timothy Watson  Oct 25, 2016 • 3:36:36am

re: #309 dangerman

Bloody hell.

Always check the new comments before posting.

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Shiplord Kirel  Oct 25, 2016 • 3:45:11am

re: #306 FormerDirtDart

Fire Sign is an offshoot of Project Blue Beam. NASA attempting to bring on the New World Order by simulating a second coming, thus initiating a world wide religion following the antichrist

Shhhh! OPSEC!

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Timothy Watson  Oct 25, 2016 • 3:45:56am
Virginia-based GOP consultant Tucker Martin wrote on Twitter that the reality star’s chances were as low as they could go in a state that sent George Washington, Thomas Jefferson and six other native sons to the White House.

“He’s at 29% in Va.,” Martin tweeted this week. “Which is what you would get if you got nominated, burnt down Monticello, and then went on vacation until November.”

LOL LOL LOL

washingtonpost.com

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dangerman  Oct 25, 2016 • 3:50:17am

re: #306 FormerDirtDart

Fire Sign is an offshoot of Project Blue Beam. NASA attempting to bring on the New World Order by simulating a second coming, thus initiating a world wide religion following the antichrist

i think they’re running it out of a theatre
(i think theyre not insane either)

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Shiplord Kirel  Oct 25, 2016 • 3:51:09am

Speaking of anti-conspiracy forces, just how cool is Buzz Aldrin?

He is so cool he has a page of fan art at his official website, including children’s drawings like this utterly charming example:

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Oct 25, 2016 • 3:57:11am

re: #306 FormerDirtDart

Fire Sign is an offshoot of Project Blue Beam. NASA attempting to bring on the New World Order by simulating a second coming, thus initiating a world wide religion following the antichrist

Oh, of course, he says as he slowly backs away toward the exit.

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dangerman  Oct 25, 2016 • 4:23:57am

Trump, the Republican nominee, specifically argued that national polls that show Democratic nominee Hillary Clinton with a healthy lead are based on a sampling that is too heavily Democratic.

“When they leave the polls alone, I’m leading. But you see these polls, they are polling Democrats,” he said, swatting aside the polls with his hand.

“It’s called voter suppression, because people will say, ‘Aw, gee, Trump’s out.’ Folks, we are winning. These thieves and crooks, the media — not all of it but much of it — they are the most crooked, almost as crooked as Hillary. They may even be more crooked than Hillary because without the media, she’d be nothing.”

Public national polls typically include more Democrats in the sample because of historic trends that show more registered Democrats typically vote.

“the polls are rigged” because there are objrectively more Democrats than Republicans

by “leave the polls alone” he means skew them as if there were equal numbers of d’s and r’s

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Oct 25, 2016 • 4:31:00am

Maybe it’s been shared already, but Latinos in Texas are voting in drives.

Arriba!

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 25, 2016 • 4:33:26am

re: #318 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Maybe it’s been shared already, but Latinos in Texas are voting in drives.

Arriba!

I remember looking at the lines of people lined up to vote in 2008 and knew that most of them were not lining up to vote GOP…

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Timothy Watson  Oct 25, 2016 • 4:50:24am

I just wonder what Baby Whiplash will be ranting about today:

Amy Schumer is brushing off critics who say her parody of Beyonce’s “Formation” video is racially insensitive.

The video features a sweaty Schumer dancing to the song alongside Goldie Hawn, Wanda Sykes and Joan Cusack. Some Twitter users are slamming the video on charges of cultural appropriation.

wtop.com

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 25, 2016 • 4:52:49am

re: #320 Timothy Watson

Some Twitter users are slamming the video on charges of cultural appropriation.

“Cultural appropriation” is Chuck Connors or Sal Mineo playing an Apache Indian.

Parodying pop music videos is not.

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dangerman  Oct 25, 2016 • 4:55:34am

re: #321 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

“Cultural appropriation” is Chuck Connors or Sal Mineo playing an Apache Indian.

Parodying pop music videos is not.

mickey rooney in breakfast at tiffanys

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Joe Bacon  Oct 25, 2016 • 4:56:42am

It was a very special moment when Amy Schumer used Tongue Fu to take out a heckler in Stockholm!

scenestr.com.au

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Patricia Kayden  Oct 25, 2016 • 5:00:38am

re: #81 dangerman

Eric Trump: Polls Are Wrong, “You Can’t Go 500 Yards Without Seeing A Trump Sign”

yup. that absolutely accurate yard signs metric again.

Where I live (Southern MD), I haven’t seen any signs for either candidate. Doesn’t mean anything. Eric’s bubble is about to be popped bigly.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 25, 2016 • 5:04:26am

re: #324 Patricia Kayden

Where I live (Southern MD), I haven’t seen any signs for either candidate. Doesn’t mean anything. Eric’s bubble is about to be popped bigly.

It’s all PR, it’s about explaining why your brand is best even when sales are tanking.

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Patricia Kayden  Oct 25, 2016 • 5:08:40am

re: #320 Timothy Watson

To be honest, I’m a little confused as to what exactly is cultural appropriation. I’ve seen Africans accuse African Americans of culturally appropriating African culture (clothes, hairstyles, etc) which is confusing to me because AAs are of African descent even if they don’t know what country their ancestors were from.

Cultural appropriation is a topic I’ll just stay out of. Seems too emotional and confrontational.

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Sherlock Hound  Oct 25, 2016 • 5:09:43am

re: #263 Anymouse

My independent theatre, CinemaSalem, has screened Obama’s inauguration. I would imagine they’d screen Hillary’s.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 25, 2016 • 5:10:22am

re: #326 Patricia Kayden

Cultural appropriation is a topic I’ll just stay out of. Seems too emotional and confrontational.

and subjective. I am white, but I grew up in Gary, Indiana as the only white kid on my block.

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Belafon  Oct 25, 2016 • 5:12:39am

re: #318 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Maybe it’s been shared already, but Latinos in Texas are voting in drives.

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Arriba!

The only complacent people we’ll have to worryabout are us lazy-ass whites.

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Frankie Five Angels  Oct 25, 2016 • 5:16:31am

This has been making the rounds on Twitter. Anyone here’s know if it’s legit?

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Oct 25, 2016 • 5:21:32am

re: #326 Patricia Kayden

To be honest, I’m a little confused as to what exactly is cultural appropriation. I’ve seen Africans accuse African Americans of culturally appropriating African culture (clothes, hairstyles, etc) which is confusing to me because AAs are of African descent even if they don’t know what country their ancestors were from.

Cultural appropriation is a topic I’ll just stay out of. Seems too emotional and confrontational.

Cultural appropriation is when fashion models wear Native war bonnets (which Native women could never wear, AFAIK) as a fashion statement, or when millennials dress up in Plains Indian leather breeches and vests in an effort to “get close to nature.”

I would argue that New Age appropriation of sweat lodges and spirit animals would be another example.

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Timothy Watson  Oct 25, 2016 • 5:22:27am

re: #330 Frankie Five Angels

This has been making the rounds on Twitter. Anyone here’s know if it’s legit?

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The letter itself says the new plan isn’t a marketplace plan and he won’t be receiving any subsidy on the new plan, which might explain the cost difference.

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Le Lapin Tueur  Oct 25, 2016 • 5:28:10am

re: #318 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Maybe it’s been shared already, but Latinos in Texas are voting in drives

Those voters look like they’re standing, not driving.

~~runs.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Oct 25, 2016 • 5:30:07am

re: #333 Le Lapin Tueur

Those voters look like they’re standing, not driving.

~~runs.

Well, shot. Triuble typong tinoght

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Patricia Kayden  Oct 25, 2016 • 5:34:16am

re: #331 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Agree with your explanation but need to point out that many kind of people beyond models have been accused of appropriation. I’ll defer to those who are emotionally invested in that kind of thing. As a Jamaican woman, I could care less about who wears dreads or speaks patois.

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b.d.  Oct 25, 2016 • 5:34:26am

re: #330 Frankie Five Angels

This has been making the rounds on Twitter. Anyone here’s know if it’s legit?

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It says that they aren’t going to be offering the plan that he has anymore and they suggest a new plan for him that is over double what he has been paying.

A company trying to sell up!?!?! Unbelievable!!!

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 25, 2016 • 5:35:10am

re: #331 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Cultural appropriation is when fashion models wear Native war bonnets (which Native women could never wear, AFAIK) as a fashion statement, or when millennials dress up in Plains Indian leather breeches and vests in an effort to “get close to nature.”

I would argue that New Age appropriation of sweat lodges and spirit animals would be another example.

Sweat lodges I disagree with, they are just a great idea. But adopting another culture’s spirituality without really understanding it or being a part of it is a form of appropriation in my eyes.

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Emptor scriptor Remorse  Oct 25, 2016 • 5:35:22am

re: #330 Frankie Five Angels

LOL POS 5500

For $1872 they are better off putting that in a savings account. That is a piece of shit.

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BeachDem  Oct 25, 2016 • 5:35:55am

Morning, all. It’s 8:30 am and I’ve been at work for 3-1/2 hours — only 9 more to go today. Have I mentioned how much I hate this project?

When home, I never watch daytime TV—here, I’m at the mercy of the site, and the TV blares all day long. And, because I’m in a battleground state, there are about 85 million political ads an hour (that’s just an estimate.) The Trump and McCrory ads are so hideous, I just want to puke.

If there is a hell, I believe this would be a pretty good model for it.

I think I scared one of my peeps yesterday. She said she was thinking of voting for Jill Stein and I just went off on what a whacko Stein is. Told her to look up some of the crap Stein has said and done (then I felt a bit like an Alex Jones fan, saying WATCH THE VIDEO.)

I was probably a little bit too zealous, but, in my defense, I’d already been at work for 14 hours and, as I mentioned, been exposed to that many hours of teevee.

Is it November 9 yet? Or even November 1st or 2nd when I can go home?

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Oct 25, 2016 • 5:38:13am

re: #335 Patricia Kayden

Agree with your explanation but need to point out that many kind of people beyond models have been accused of appropriation. I’ll defer to those who are emotionally invested in that kind of thing. As a Jamaican woman, I could care less about who wears dreads or speaks patois.

I know, and I agree with you for the most part. I think those who object to appropriation feel it’s being done without proper respect for the original culture, especially if the appropriating culture oppressed the originating culture in the first place.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Oct 25, 2016 • 5:42:33am

re: #337 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

re: #335 Patricia Kayden

Some traditionally minded people object when their native culture is “exported.” Bruce Lee ran into heavy resistance when he decided to teach wu shu to non-Asians, and Indian yogis objected when some gurus began teaching yoga in the USA to non-Indians.

It’s a topic fraught with emotional reactions. And Patricia is right. It’s better not to get involved if it doesn’t affect you personally.

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Danack  Oct 25, 2016 • 5:46:46am

re: #262 freetoken

Our elections really are now part of the entertainment business:

AMC Theatres Broadcasting Presidential Election Results

I’m in the UK. I’ve booked the 9th of November off work, so that I can stay up to watch the results coming in.

For me, it’s the equivalent of staying up late to watch some sportsball from a match that is occurring in a foreign country.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Oct 25, 2016 • 5:49:53am

re: #342 Danack

I’m in the UK. I’ve booked the 9th of November off work, so that I can stay up to watch the results coming in.

For me, it’s the equivalent of staying up late to watch some sportsball from a match that is occurring in a foreign country.

Fortunately, I have afternoon classes on Wednesdays. So I’ll be able to monitor the election returns as soon as the polls close Tuesday evening (Wed. morning my time). The results should make for a lively discussion topic in classes that week.

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Franklin  Oct 25, 2016 • 5:52:23am

Wow

Guy Makes a 3D Concrete Printer and Prints a Castle

Shorewood Man Builds A Concrete Castle With Homemade 3D Printer

i.imgur.com

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Belafon  Oct 25, 2016 • 5:55:17am
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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Oct 25, 2016 • 5:57:28am

re: #344 Franklin

Wow

Guy Makes a 3D Concrete Printer and Prints a Castle

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If they can perfect the process to include rebar to meet building codes, concrete contractors will be able to erect buildings in no time flat.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 25, 2016 • 6:02:14am

re: #346 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

If they can perfect the process to include rebar to meet building codes, concrete contractors will be able to erect buildings in no time flat.

I am pretty sure that 3D printing is currently limited to plastics or substances with a low meling point.

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jeffreyw  Oct 25, 2016 • 6:03:13am

Imgur


Good morning!

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Oct 25, 2016 • 6:07:03am

re: #347 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I am pretty sure that 3D printing is currently limited to plastics or substances with a low meling point.

Give them time.

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Decatur Deb  Oct 25, 2016 • 6:17:19am

re: #341 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Some traditionally minded people object when their native culture is “exported.” Bruce Lee ran into heavy resistance when he decided to teach wu shu to non-Asians, and Indian yogis objected when some gurus began teaching yoga in the USA to non-Indians.

It’s a topic fraught with emotional reactions. And Patricia is right. It’s better not to get involved if it doesn’t affect you personally.

I was deeply traumatized to hear Yo-Yo Ma do a Bach cello suite, and then he did it over, and over, and over, and over, and over again. I blame it all on that Miles Davis fellow and what he did to Rodrigo.

Don’t even get me started on the Marsalis brothers.

Wynton Marsalis Bach Brandenburg Concerto No 2, Movement No 3 III Allegro Assai

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Rightwingconspirator  Oct 25, 2016 • 6:23:27am

re: #347 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I am pretty sure that 3D printing is currently limited to plastics or substances with a low meling point.

Oh not at all. I was just looking at a machine that 3D prints 14kt yellow gold.
Then there are these guys… shapeways.com

Essentially a sintered gold nanoparticle mass, not dense like casting or hand rolled.

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Belafon  Oct 25, 2016 • 6:24:36am

re: #347 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I am pretty sure that 3D printing is currently limited to plastics or substances with a low meling point.

We already have metal 3d printers: renishaw.com

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 25, 2016 • 6:26:11am

re: #349 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Give them time.

then they can also print guns…

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Oct 25, 2016 • 6:27:56am

re: #350 Decatur Deb

I was deeply traumatized to hear Yo-Yo Ma do a Bach cello suite, and then he did it over, and over, and over, and over, and over again. I blame it all on that Miles Davis fellow and what he did to Rodrigo.

Don’t even get me started on the Marsalis brothers.

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Video

Not exactly the same thing, but here’s a white South African guy performing with black South African guys, and singing partly in Zulu.

Johnny Clegg (With Nelson Mandela) - Asimbonanga - 1999 Fran

Johnny Clegg, btw, is a very popular singer in South Africa across all demographics. (Well, except the white supremacist crowd, I suppose).

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Decatur Deb  Oct 25, 2016 • 6:29:05am

re: #353 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

then they can also print guns…

The first semi-sucessful one was more than a year ago. (“Semi” as in “didn’t kill the shooter”.)

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Le Lapin Tueur  Oct 25, 2016 • 6:29:29am

re: #353 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

then they can also print guns…


Doesn’t need to be metal

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makeitstop  Oct 25, 2016 • 6:31:10am

re: #354 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Not exactly the same thing, but here’s a white South African guy performing with black South African guys, and singing partly in Zulu.

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Johnny Clegg, btw, is a very popular singer in South Africa across all demographics. (Well, except the white supremacist crowd, I suppose).

Johnny Clegg is the exception to the rule. He lives that stuff.

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Decatur Deb  Oct 25, 2016 • 6:31:51am

re: #354 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Not exactly the same thing, but here’s a white South African guy performing with black South African guys, and singing partly in Zulu.

[Embedded content]

Johnny Clegg, btw, is a very popular singer in South Africa across all demographics. (Well, except the white supremacist crowd, I suppose).

Cultural appropriation is a goal, not a threat. In the far future we are inevitably one race, one culture. How we get there can be good or bad.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Oct 25, 2016 • 6:32:09am

re: #357 makeitstop

Johnny Clegg is the exception to the rule. He lives that stuff.

The White Zulu.

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Rightwingconspirator  Oct 25, 2016 • 6:33:05am

3 D Stainless steel
i.materialise.com

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MsJ  Oct 25, 2016 • 6:34:25am
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lawhawk  Oct 25, 2016 • 6:34:37am

Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area. I see that media outlets are getting around to fact checking Trump’s BS about voter fraud and voter rolls.

Long story short. Voter fraud just isn’t happening, and it isn’t happening because voter rolls aren’t current. As I’ve explained before, voter rolls can be out of date because people move away or have died. That doesn’t mean people can just show up and vote in multiple locations. It means that the voter rolls haven’t been purged because the information hasn’t caught up and there are issues in the opposite direction - when the voter roll purges are over-expansive and kill valid voters registrations, making it tougher for them to vote. We saw that in Brooklyn during the primaries, and it is a far more worrisome issue than the opposite.

Reality is that voter fraud is exceptionally rare, and it’s far more likely that an election is swayed by voter suppression than fraud. When you’ve got one party doing everything imaginable to reduce turnout - from making it tougher to register to vote to reducing access to polls by any means necessary, that’s the bigger and far more serious issue.

One party is determined to make voting far more difficult, thereby depriving people the right to vote. That’s the GOP. They’ve refused to fix the issues identified by the Supreme Court in the VRA, which has enabled states to institute all kinds of restrictions that were previously prohibited. That’s a direct assault on the right to vote.

That’s the GOP.

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN  Oct 25, 2016 • 6:36:00am

Something just caught my eye last night. One of my neighbors has a personalized license plate with a letter 1488 and another letter. I don’t see how that can be anything but deliberate.

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b.d.  Oct 25, 2016 • 6:36:13am

From my junk email folder;

to receive your free personal gift from Mr. Trump you must donate by 11:59 PM TONIGHT.

Free!

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 25, 2016 • 6:36:53am

re: #362 lawhawk

Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area. I see that media outlets are getting around to fact checking Trump’s BS about voter fraud and voter rolls.

The point is to convince True Believers that Hillary did not win fair and square so they can view her mandate as illegitimate.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Oct 25, 2016 • 6:41:37am

re: #358 Decatur Deb

Cultural appropriation is a goal, not a threat. In the far future we are inevitably one race, one culture. How we get there can be good or bad.

I suspect the minority cultures fear that appropriation is just another nail in the coffin for their own culture, as their people assimilate into the majority culture. Here in China, the government, which is primarily comprised of the Han majority, is gradually trying to assimilate Tibetans, Uighurs and other minority cultures into Han culture (or the CPC, as the case may be). Beijing is especially trying to suppress Tibetan Buddhism and Uighur Islam, because it distrusts (fears) any belief system which does not recognize the CPC as the supreme authority.

But, public displays of colorful minority culture for the tourists is just A-OK, as long as someone is making money off of it. In the usual Chinese habit of theatrical overproduction, such displays bear only a passing resemblance to the original sources, often with Han performers dressing up as minority group members.

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lawhawk  Oct 25, 2016 • 6:41:44am

So, Trump’s busy touting one of his golf courses today, and will be doing a campaign stop in DC to open his hotel there.

These aren’t campaign stops so much as attempts to garner free press and advertising for his hotels and resorts. The media needs to lead with that in their reporting.

Trump’s used this entire campaign as a money-grubbing exercise, even though it’s had the opposite effect as everyone is now taking a fine-tooth comb to Trump finances and deals and realizing that he’s not a business wiz, but a con-man whose actions are suspect.

And that doesn’t even begin to touch on the claims that he’s engaged in sex parties with underage girls or raped underage girls. Or sexually assaulted women. Or faces numerous lawsuits from his day-to-day business activities.

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MsJ  Oct 25, 2016 • 6:44:26am

re: #367 lawhawk

So, Trump’s busy touting one of his golf courses today, and will be doing a campaign stop in DC to open his hotel there.

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These aren’t campaign stops so much as attempts to garner free press and advertising for his hotels and resorts. The media needs to lead with that in their reporting.

Trump’s used this entire campaign as a money-grubbing exercise, even though it’s had the opposite effect as everyone is now taking a fine-tooth comb to Trump finances and deals and realizing that he’s not a business wiz, but a con-man whose actions are suspect.

And that doesn’t even begin to touch on the claims that he’s engaged in sex parties with underage girls or raped underage girls. Or sexually assaulted women. Or faces numerous lawsuits from his day-to-day business activities.

And yet this complete loser is getting support that will give him electoral college votes. Disgusting.

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MsJ  Oct 25, 2016 • 6:44:56am
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GlutenFreeJesus  Oct 25, 2016 • 6:45:13am

re: #249 Anymouse

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Oct 25, 2016 • 6:45:14am

re: #367 lawhawk

So, Trump’s busy touting one of his golf courses today, and will be doing a campaign stop in DC to open his hotel there.

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These aren’t campaign stops so much as attempts to garner free press and advertising for his hotels and resorts. The media needs to lead with that in their reporting.

Trump’s used this entire campaign as a money-grubbing exercise, even though it’s had the opposite effect as everyone is now taking a fine-tooth comb to Trump finances and deals and realizing that he’s not a business wiz, but a con-man whose actions are suspect.

And that doesn’t even begin to touch on the claims that he’s engaged in sex parties with underage girls or raped underage girls. Or sexually assaulted women. Or faces numerous lawsuits from his day-to-day business activities.

Trump: “80% of my employees are Hispanic, and they are here completely of their own free will. It was either come, or be fired. Their choice!”

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MsJ  Oct 25, 2016 • 6:46:37am

Wow. Not even trying to hide it any longer.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Oct 25, 2016 • 6:46:49am

re: #362 lawhawk

Remember when the voter rolls were purged during the primaries and Bernie supporters went crazy… those were the days!

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lawhawk  Oct 25, 2016 • 6:51:50am

For the worry-warts out there:

Princeton Election Consortium gives HRC 264 safe EVs based on current polling. Trump manages only 161 safe, which means there’s a balance of 113 up for grabs. Clinton’s leading in more than a few of those. That’s why PEC gives Clinton a 99% chance of winning.

In fact, most other aggregators/statistical analysis pollsters concur with a Clinton win. 538 is towards the low end of a win at 86%, but NYT, HuffPo, and the rest show a Clinton win, while Sabato, Roth, and Cook lean Democrat (essentially the same thing).

In fact, the Upshot identifies that Clinton has safely got 272 delegates without taking a bunch of battleground states into account: Nebraska, Ohio, Iowa, Maine, and Arizona. Wait, you say, those aren’t typical battleground states mentioned pre-election. Florida and NC are in the battleground category, even though all but Cook identifies them as going for Clinton.

You’d be right. They aren’t. The map has shifted as those traditional battlegrounds have pretty much gone for Clinton in a big way.

Also important to note that while some think Texas is truly in play, the stats suggest otherwise. Doesn’t mean you shouldn’t keep trying to turn Texas blue, but it’s an uphill battle.

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MsJ  Oct 25, 2016 • 6:52:12am
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MsJ  Oct 25, 2016 • 6:53:04am

re: #374 lawhawk

Thank you. This worry wart appreciates you (and everyone else).

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Eventual Carrion  Oct 25, 2016 • 6:55:22am

re: #10 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Isn’t it well known that Studio 54 was a hotbed of conservative “thought” and “values”. Nothing subversive going on there while it was open. And I seem to remember Donald as a frequent visitor, as has been reported.

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A wild WITHAK appeared!  Oct 25, 2016 • 6:56:33am

re: #376 MsJ

Thank you. This worry wart appreciates you (and everyone else).

I’m confident about the polls and the electorate, but I’m gonna keep on worry-warting until Nov 9. I’ll just sleep a bit better.

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lawhawk  Oct 25, 2016 • 6:56:43am

Sweet merciful jeebus.

Are you kidding me? What little respect I have for the ABA has disappeared after reading this. I get that they don’t want to get embroiled in lawfare with Trump, where they’ve got spring for legal fees/costs that they don’t want to assume, but that shouldn’t have stopped them from identifying Trump for what he is - a person who uses the legal system to bully others into doing his bidding. Trump is the kind of person who has twisted the legal system to his own ends - where the threat of a lawsuit and holding up paying businesses/vendors/employees is part of his business operation to extract concessions and undermine the very contracts he enters into.

Frankly, the ABA should have not only published the piece, but dared Trump to sue.

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MsJ  Oct 25, 2016 • 6:57:09am

This first sentence…L.O.L.!

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Decatur Deb  Oct 25, 2016 • 6:59:35am

re: #371 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Trump: “80% of my employees are Hispanic, and they are here completely of their own free will. It was either come, or be fired. Their choice!”

Is that a real quote or a mock quote? It used to be easy to tell.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Oct 25, 2016 • 7:00:23am

re: #381 Decatur Deb

Is that a real quote or a mock quote? It used to be easy to tell.

Not intended to be a factual statement

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Decatur Deb  Oct 25, 2016 • 7:02:44am

re: #374 lawhawk

For the worry-warts out there:

Princeton Election Consortium gives HRC 264 safe EVs based on current polling. Trump manages only 161 safe, which means there’s a balance of 113 up for grabs. Clinton’s leading in more than a few of those. That’s why PEC gives Clinton a 99% chance of winning.

In fact, most other aggregators/statistical analysis pollsters concur with a Clinton win. 538 is towards the low end of a win at 86%, but NYT, HuffPo, and the rest show a Clinton win, while Sabato, Roth, and Cook lean Democrat (essentially the same thing).

In fact, the Upshot identifies that Clinton has safely got 272 delegates without taking a bunch of battleground states into account: Nebraska, Ohio, Iowa, Maine, and Arizona. Wait, you say, those aren’t typical battleground states mentioned pre-election. Florida and NC are in the battleground category, even though all but Cook identifies them as going for Clinton.

You’d be right. They aren’t. The map has shifted as those traditional battlegrounds have pretty much gone for Clinton in a big way.

Also important to note that while some think Texas is truly in play, the stats suggest otherwise. Doesn’t mean you shouldn’t keep trying to turn Texas blue, but it’s an uphill battle.

Gore lost the presidency by fewer than 540 Florida votes. No other statistic governs our carpetbagger action for the next two weeks.

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Belafon  Oct 25, 2016 • 7:06:26am

re: #383 Decatur Deb

Gore lost the presidency by fewer than 540 Florida votes. No other statistic governs our carpetbagger action for the next two weeks.

Was Gore toying with the idea of winning Arizona?

I realize some people have to worry that they’ll choke on eating a Kit Kat. But I’m enjoying the enthusiasm I’m seeing of voting here in Texas, and the collapse of Trump. The thought of electing the first woman president keeps me smiling about the election.

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Eventual Carrion  Oct 25, 2016 • 7:06:30am

re: #50 Backwoods_Sleuth

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And the other 20%?

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lawhawk  Oct 25, 2016 • 7:06:56am

Obamacare is being savaged again today because they’re reporting double digit increases in premiums this year.

Never mind that private insurance companies are instituting the hikes, because they want to generate more profits (and to a lesser extent cover higher than anticipated costs for coverage). Never mind that employer-based insurance is also going up (mine went up double digits as well, on the claim that there were higher than anticipated health care costs borne by the employer that have to be passed on and we’ve had several years of lower than average increases). The difference is that the employer based hikes aren’t public knowledge and easily obtained as compared to the Obamacare marketplace rates, which get far more scrutiny.

But why exactly is Trump saying that his employees are having issues with Obamacare rates going up.

He could be lying that his employees are affected by Obamacare.

He could be conflating Obamacare hikes with his own hikes on health care premiums that are passed on to employees (so as to fool people into thinking that Obamacare is why their employer based insurance is going up).

He could be telling the truth - that he doesn’t provide employer based insurance and has instead shifted his employees into the marketplaces and taken the penalties rather than paying for the insurance coverage through his companies.

Given that he’s not releasing any information to identify which of these is the situation, we can only speculate.

Odds are is that he’s lying and conflating the Obamacare hikes with his own employer-based hikes.

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lawhawk  Oct 25, 2016 • 7:08:45am

re: #383 Decatur Deb

Had Gore won his home-state of Tennessee, Florida would not have even been a concern.

2016 is a totally different beast of an election, where I think the issue is how big a margin of victory we’ll see and how much down-ticket support Democrats get in terms of winning back the Senate and to a lesser extent the House.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Oct 25, 2016 • 7:09:07am

re: #386 lawhawk

I’m gonna go with just lying.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Oct 25, 2016 • 7:10:04am

TheLyingKing

#Trumpamovie

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lawhawk  Oct 25, 2016 • 7:10:51am

Guess who fell for this claptrap? SMOTI and the rest of the right wing echo chamber.

With legitimate leaks of Clinton campaign advisor John Podesta flooding Twitter from the hands of Wikileaks, some conservative media have been readily accepting obviously impossible “leaks” tweeted from civilian accounts.
This one is no different. A tweet by pro-Trump account @S_Cooper0404, containing two pages of the “memo,” has been retweeted over 5,000 times.

From there, conservative websites took the bait. Gateway Pundit included the excerpted “memo” in his story “LEAKED CLINTON DOCUMENTS: Discourage Trump Supporters with Crap Polls.”

YoungConservatives went even further, tweeting “WE FOUND THE PLAN” while linking to a story including the same two pages of the memo.

The memo, however, was created by RealTrueNews, a far-right conspiracy website that creates fake memos tying almost all government leaders and media to the Illuminati.
The rest of the memo, which is not included in the posts, is considerably harder to believe, including a section called “Memetic Payload” which tries to link Donald Trump to Bill Cosby.

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A wild WITHAK appeared!  Oct 25, 2016 • 7:11:12am

Start there and scroll up. This is pitiful, even for Trump.

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Decatur Deb  Oct 25, 2016 • 7:12:05am

re: #384 Belafon

Was Gore toying with the idea of winning Arizona?

I realize some people have to worry that they’ll choke on eating a Kit Kat. But I’m enjoying the enthusiasm I’m seeing of voting here in Texas, and the collapse of Trump. The thought of electing the first woman president keeps me smiling about the election.

I’ll smile when we nail it down. HRC is barely outside a credible MoE on the Florida aggregate polls available to the public. We need every voter and volunteer, preferably scared and pissed off. The goal is massive overkill, or these fuckers are back with the Senate in 2018 and reapportionment in 2020.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Oct 25, 2016 • 7:12:06am

re: #389 Eclectic Cyborg

TheLyingKing

#Trumpamovie

That was the movie where Fred Trump showed his 4th child, Donald, the Borough of Queens and said, “Someday, son, this will all be yours! Go no further, for disaster will befall you!”

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Eventual Carrion  Oct 25, 2016 • 7:16:57am

re: #81 dangerman

Eric Trump: Polls Are Wrong, “You Can’t Go 500 Yards Without Seeing A Trump Sign”

yup. that absolutely accurate yard signs metric again.

So the 9 - 12 houses between those signs mean nothing?

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makeitstop  Oct 25, 2016 • 7:20:49am

re: #391 A wild WITHAK appeared!

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Start there and scroll up. This is pitiful, even for Trump.

And this was the true point of the entire campaign. To raise his business profile and ‘enhance the brand.’

It gives me joy to know that due to his loud mouth and total lack of political sense, he’s trashed that brand way more than he’s built it up. Nothing less than he absolutely deserves.

And an election day humiliation will be the cherry on the sundae for me.

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN  Oct 25, 2016 • 7:21:19am

This is what the GOP has been trying to bring about for years. By refusing to fine tune the program, they were trying to make sure it failed.

Party first Wayne.

Party first Garth.

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MsJ  Oct 25, 2016 • 7:22:19am

re: #384 Belafon

Was Gore toying with the idea of winning Arizona?

I realize some people have to worry that they’ll choke on eating a Kit Kat. But I’m enjoying the enthusiasm I’m seeing of voting here in Texas, and the collapse of Trump. The thought of electing the first woman president keeps me smiling about the election.

That’s uncalled for. Really.

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Targetpractice  Oct 25, 2016 • 7:22:46am

re: #392 Decatur Deb

I’ll smile when we nail it down. HRC is barely outside a credible MoE on the Florida aggregate polls available to the public. We need every voter and volunteer, preferably scared and pissed off. The goal is massive overkill, or these fuckers are back with the Senate in 2018 and reapportionment in 2020.

Trump could win FL, NC, & OH and still lose. He needs VA or PA to win and he’s comfortably behind in both. At this point, it’s not question of will she win, it’s a question of how big a win it will be. GOTV should still be job #1, but we shouldn’t stress ourselves out that some 11th hour swing in the polls will doom her.

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN  Oct 25, 2016 • 7:23:53am

If the Dems were competent, the premium news would be an opportunity for them to push the idea that we need to sweep out the GOP to get government working again. They should also be pounding the fact that Trump is making millions personally off of his campaign, but that’s just me.

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MsJ  Oct 25, 2016 • 7:26:40am
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Decatur Deb  Oct 25, 2016 • 7:27:30am

re: #398 Targetpractice

Trump could win FL, NC, & OH and still lose. He needs VA or PA to win and he’s comfortably behind in both. At this point, it’s not question of will she win, it’s a question of how big a win it will be. GOTV should still be job #1, but we shouldn’t stress ourselves out that some 11th hour swing in the polls will doom her.

She can win and be doomed. We need to break the GOP so badly that they cannot obstruct for two years and then exploit their favorable midterm Senate position. In this area, that means overcoming Rubio’s current lead.

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Eventual Carrion  Oct 25, 2016 • 7:29:11am

re: #103 Stanley Sea

Province of this photo? I could not locate.

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Are brown shits in short supply?

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Reality Based Steve  Oct 25, 2016 • 7:29:43am

They had to change the TV station to Pandora Radio at the coffee / vape shop I frequent this morning. It MAY have had something to do with the fact that Donald was on Fox News saying “Hillary gave 750 thousand dollars to the FBI agent in charge of the email investigation” and I was yelling “LIES…. YOU LIE DONALD… LOOK AT THE FACTS”.

They humor me since I’m a good customer (and I’m the only one here at the moment).

Now we’ve got Michael Buble radio on, and it’s much better.

RBS

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A wild WITHAK appeared!  Oct 25, 2016 • 7:31:00am

re: #402 Eventual Carrion

Sorry, but that typo made me laugh…

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Jenner7  Oct 25, 2016 • 7:32:40am

I’m watching The Campaign with Will Ferrell and Zach Galifianakis, where Will punches the baby. This is Trump’s campaign in a nut shell.

The Campaign Movie (2012) - Baby Punching Scene! Very Funny!

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Targetpractice  Oct 25, 2016 • 7:32:57am

re: #401 Decatur Deb

She can win and be doomed. We need to break the GOP so badly that they cannot obstruct for two years and then exploit their favorable midterm Senate position. In this area, that means overcoming Rubio’s current lead.

I was about to say that we need to stop thinking in terms of winning the White House and instead in terms of winning Congress. There’s no really plausible scenario where Trump wins the White House and loses Congress. So our focus should be on the rest of the ballot, getting as many Democrats elected next month as possible. Right now we look to be good for winning the Senate, even if it’s a narrow majority. But we need to make sure that holds true through Nov 8th. If people want to bite their nails, don’t bite them over Hillary winning, bite them over Majority Leader Chuck Schumer.

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Reality Based Steve  Oct 25, 2016 • 7:34:25am

re: #404 A wild WITHAK appeared!

Sorry, but that typo made me laugh…

I had to go back an look, now my day is made.

RBS

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dangerman  Oct 25, 2016 • 7:38:17am

re: #362 lawhawk

i agree with what you wrote, especially this part:

It means that the voter rolls haven’t been purged because the information hasn’t caught up and there are issues in the opposite direction - when the voter roll purges are over-expansive and kill valid voters registrations

the idiotic argument in the other case though is they *do* think people who moved can vote more than once by showing up and also using absentee ballots.

and second, that as long as there are names on the rolls who wont or cant vote (esp deceased), then someone else can fake their id, etc, etc, etc,

none of this goes to the basic notion that to “rig” any moderately sized election at the individual vote / retail level is probably the absolute most inefficient way to do it…

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Oct 25, 2016 • 7:40:07am

The Vatican has promulgated new rules about cremation ashes, and what to do with them. No more storing mom’s remains in an urn on the mantel, or scattering Uncle Joe’s ashes into the sea. The ashes must be placed in a “sacred place.”

bbc.com

Burial is still preferred, though.

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN  Oct 25, 2016 • 7:40:58am

re: #409 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

I think most people will still think of them as guidelines.

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dangerman  Oct 25, 2016 • 7:41:53am

re: #380 MsJ

This first sentence…L.O.L.!

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shhhh!

leave him alone

if he wants to focus on VA., let him

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Decatur Deb  Oct 25, 2016 • 7:43:00am

re: #409 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

The Vatican has promulgated new rules about cremation ashes, and what to do with them. No more storing mom’s remains in an urn on the mantel, or scattering Uncle Joe’s ashes into the sea. The ashes must be placed in a “sacred place.”

bbc.com

Burial is still preferred, though.

The sea is a sacred place.

“All men will be sailors then, until the sea shall free them.”

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MsJ  Oct 25, 2016 • 7:44:07am
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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Oct 25, 2016 • 7:45:46am

re: #412 Decatur Deb

The sea is a sacred place.

“All men will be sailors then, until the sea shall free them.”

Well, I suppose if the Pope blessed all the Seven Seas, it would be officially OK.

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dangerman  Oct 25, 2016 • 7:46:59am

re: #395 makeitstop

And this was the true point of the entire campaign. To raise his business profile and ‘enhance the brand.’

It gives me joy to know that due to his loud mouth and total lack of political sense, he’s trashed that brand way more than he’s built it up. Nothing less than he absolutely deserves.

And an election day humiliation will be the cherry on the sundae for me.

and he’s doing such a lousy job at that alone.

Trump name dumped from new branded hotels

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Eclectic Cyborg  Oct 25, 2016 • 7:47:02am

Trump knows he’s going to lose so in the meantime he is using the press for free advertising.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 25, 2016 • 7:47:17am

re: #409 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

The Vatican has promulgated new rules about cremation ashes, and what to do with them. No more storing mom’s remains in an urn on the mantel, or scattering Uncle Joe’s ashes into the sea. The ashes must be placed in a “sacred place.”

bbc.com

Burial is still preferred, though.

“Fearing the impact of naturalistic ideas about the circle of life, where the body is regarded as no different to other physical matter, the Vatican has decided to clarify its position on what should happen to the remains of the dead.”

But you can put still bones and bodies of saints on display as long as it is in a church or cathedral, right?

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Oct 25, 2016 • 7:48:57am

re: #417 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

“Fearing the impact of naturalistic ideas about the circle of life, where the body is regarded as no different to other physical matter, the Vatican has decided to clarify its position on what should happen to the remains of the dead.”

But you can put still bones and bodies of saints on display as long as it is in a church or cathedral, right?

There you go again, expecting consistency.

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Sir John Barron  Oct 25, 2016 • 7:50:01am

re: #415 dangerman

and he’s doing such a lousy job at that alone.

Trump name dumped from new branded hotels

He didn’t plan on actually winning the nomination. Thought he could enter the race, throw some mud around, insult some people, etc.

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dangerman  Oct 25, 2016 • 7:50:47am

re: #413 MsJ

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One key story in Podesta emails is the worst people in Hillary’s orbit losing influence over the last few years — a good sign.

the really key story is now that everyones kinda seen what goes on behind the scenes of a campaign, the next hack, steal and dump will rate a big yawn

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dangerman  Oct 25, 2016 • 7:51:22am

re: #416 Eclectic Cyborg

Trump knows he’s going to lose so in the meantime he is using the press for free advertising.

well he does have all this free time when not focusing on virginia

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MsJ  Oct 25, 2016 • 7:51:42am

For someone who can spot trends as they happen, see deficiencies in various areas, I am clueless as to subtext sometimes.

Did you guys watch the SNL Black Jeopardy? If so (or if not, really), give this article at Slate a read. I found it fascinating.

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lawhawk  Oct 25, 2016 • 7:52:11am

When this election is over, Trump’s behavior and “strategery” will be examined for generations to come as a lesson on what to avoid doing if you have any interest in winning a national election.

The GOP will take away the lesson that you can win only if you’re even more bluntly bigoted. Because that’s what they’ve learned from 2008 to 2012 to 2016.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Oct 25, 2016 • 7:53:17am

re: #297 Anymouse

Well, we found RTD militants are Doctoring stuff too.

Wish we could drone the Davies fanbois.

/about .75

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dangerman  Oct 25, 2016 • 7:53:19am

re: #419 Sir John Barron

He didn’t plan on actually winning the nomination. Thought he could enter the race, throw some mud around, insult some people, etc.

if i wasnt clear, he claims to be a great businessman
he does what you said, uses the race to enhance his brand
and for an insightful, brilliant businessman, hes screwing up his brand

if i was clear, nevermind

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Decatur Deb  Oct 25, 2016 • 7:53:38am

re: #417 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

“Fearing the impact of naturalistic ideas about the circle of life, where the body is regarded as no different to other physical matter, the Vatican has decided to clarify its position on what should happen to the remains of the dead.”

But you can put still bones and bodies of saints on display as long as it is in a church or cathedral, right?

There isn’t enough of Europe to bury the dead. (In Venice, you rent space in the municipal cemetery-island. When the lease is up, you’re out of there.)

nytimes.com

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dangerman  Oct 25, 2016 • 7:54:40am

re: #423 lawhawk

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When this election is over, Trump’s behavior and “strategery” will be examined for generations to come as a lesson on what to avoid doing if you have any interest in winning a national election.

The GOP will take away the lesson that you can win only if you’re even more bluntly bigoted. Because that’s what they’ve learned from 2008 to 2012 to 2016.

2016 autopsy report: “see previous report”

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 25, 2016 • 7:54:45am

re: #426 Decatur Deb

There isn’t enough of Europe to bury the dead. (In Venice, you rent space in the municipal cemetery-island. When the lease is up, you’re out of there.)

nytimes.com

Yes, that’s what catacombs are for.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Oct 25, 2016 • 7:55:41am

re: #326 Patricia Kayden

Also, cultural appropriation has been happening for as long as we have had settled cultures, and it is also how cultures move forward.

A lot of people seem to want things to stay static and unmoved.

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Targetpractice  Oct 25, 2016 • 7:55:42am

re: #423 lawhawk

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When this election is over, Trump’s behavior and “strategery” will be examined for generations to come as a lesson on what to avoid doing if you have any interest in winning a national election.

The GOP will take away the lesson that you can win only if you’re even more bluntly bigoted. Because that’s what they’ve learned from 2008 to 2012 to 2016.

I think the overall lesson of 2016 is “Rallies != votes.” Bernie and Trump have both proven that huge rallies are not a substitute for a ground game because people don’t leave those rallies to knock doors, work the phones, and stuff envelopes. They go home thinking that the news images of the rally are enough to get people out to vote. Then they tune in to the polls and find that their enthusiasm isn’t spreading to others.

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MsJ  Oct 25, 2016 • 7:56:36am

re: #423 lawhawk

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When this election is over, Trump’s behavior and “strategery” will be examined for generations to come as a lesson on what to avoid doing if you have any interest in winning a national election.

The GOP will take away the lesson that you can win only if you’re even more bluntly bigoted. Because that’s what they’ve learned from 2008 to 2012 to 2016.

I don’t think Trump ever cared about winning. This is an exercise to stroke his ego. A side benefit is that he thought he could expand his brand. Now he is finding that not just his, but Ivanka’s, brands are circling the toilet.

How long that goes on…we have a collective short memory…is anyone’s guess, but there are worldwide protests at Trump facilities. Toronto had one last night (it was on the news) and they are wanting to remove his name from the various hotels around the world.

He sees everything through Bannon, the bigotry that is adored at this rallies, but cannot see the reality of what this is doing to the Trump name. Of which I am perfectly fine with.

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electrotek  Oct 25, 2016 • 7:56:49am

More proof that terror never wins:

Sad that I won’t be able to make it for this :( Would love to catch Laurent Garnier performing there.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Oct 25, 2016 • 7:57:32am

re: #426 Decatur Deb

There isn’t enough of Europe to bury the dead. (In Venice, you rent space in the municipal cemetery-island. When the lease is up, you’re out of there.)

nytimes.com

“There’s got to be some way to get these stiffs off of my property….”

—Jonathan Winters in The Loved One

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Decatur Deb  Oct 25, 2016 • 7:58:01am

re: #428 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Yes, that’s what catacombs are for.

And ossuaries:

GoT, anyone?

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Dr. Matt  Oct 25, 2016 • 7:59:50am
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Decatur Deb  Oct 25, 2016 • 7:59:53am

re: #433 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

“There’s got to be some way to get these stiffs off of my property….”

—Jonathan Winters in The Loved One

Great book/movie. Total departure for Waugh.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Oct 25, 2016 • 8:03:20am
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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Oct 25, 2016 • 8:03:28am

re: #429 Ziggy_TARDIS

Also, cultural appropriation has been happening for as long as we have had settled cultures, and it is also how cultures move forward.

A lot of people seem to want things to stay static and unmoved.

Not to beat the obvious to death, but the Internet and electronic media in general have made the diversification of culture much easier than in the past. And mass migration will have an even more profound effect.

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lawhawk  Oct 25, 2016 • 8:05:03am

Mean Tweets - President Obama Edition #2

Come for the mean tweets. Stay for the tweet-slam.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Oct 25, 2016 • 8:05:51am

re: #435 Dr. Matt

I hope that kid wasn’t permanently traumatized by that snatch and grab.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Oct 25, 2016 • 8:07:41am

re: #439 lawhawk

Obama would be great at stand up if he’d loosen up a little more. Maybe retiring as president will improve his delivery. He’s got the timing down pretty good.

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electrotek  Oct 25, 2016 • 8:07:43am

re: #326 Patricia Kayden

To be honest, I’m a little confused as to what exactly is cultural appropriation. I’ve seen Africans accuse African Americans of culturally appropriating African culture (clothes, hairstyles, etc) which is confusing to me because AAs are of African descent even if they don’t know what country their ancestors were from.

Cultural appropriation is a topic I’ll just stay out of. Seems too emotional and confrontational.

For me, cultural appropriation is when I see dumbasses at music festivals like Coachella wearing Native American headdresses and being completely oblivious to the symbolism to Native Americans. I even saw someone wearing one at Summer Sonic Tokyo music festival last year but I used a different approach to informing her of how offensive it is to those that consider it sacred.

If it’s in America or Canada, there’s no excuse on ignorance to wear such garbage at a music festival. If it’s overseas in a country like Japan, then I can’t fault them and the only thing you can do is to respectfully inform them and just leave it to them to make the final decision.

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Decatur Deb  Oct 25, 2016 • 8:09:14am

re: #437 Ziggy_TARDIS

And sometimes, they start using the dead as architecture.

The Capuchins were my posse. We buried the school’s guru in the cemetery behind our school where he had studied 70 years earlier.

After it closed in the 70s, they turned the seminary into a business conference center.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Oct 25, 2016 • 8:10:13am

re: #442 electrotek

For me, cultural appropriation is when I see dumbasses at music festivals like Coachella wearing Native American headdresses and being completely oblivious to the symbolism to Native Americans. I even saw someone wearing one at Summer Sonic Tokyo music festival last year but I used a different approach to informing her of how offensive it is to those that consider it sacred.

If it’s in America or Canada, there’s no excuse on ignorance to wear such garbage at a music festival. If it’s overseas in a country like Japan, then I can’t fault them and the only thing you can do is to respectfully inform them and just leave it to them to make the final decision.

That’s what I was referring to earlier. It’s not just appropriation, it’s debasing the original culture as something “quaint” or “cool.”

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Targetpractice  Oct 25, 2016 • 8:11:15am

I think when the chapter is written on this year, it will be that the person who ultimately won ran what was largely the most conventional campaign in ages. She staged rallies and got up on the stump to preach, but that wasn’t the bread and butter of her campaign. Nor did she do as her opponents first predicted and then accused her of doing, which was going nasty and attacking them personally. She ran on the issues and used only one thing to ever attack her opponents: Their own records. She spent all that money that the “holier than thou” crowd sneered at to run one of the most effective ground games in recent elections.

Given how this election has gone, I don’t think Bernie could have done any better. In fact, I think he would fared far worse against an opponent like Trump. The media that has obsessed about Hillary’s emails, the Clinton Foundation, and her health would have been relentless in digging up every bit of dirt on Bernie.

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Jay C  Oct 25, 2016 • 8:12:46am

re: #416 Eclectic Cyborg

Trump knows he’s going to lose so in the meantime he is using the press for free advertising.

“In the meantime”? Isn’t this what he’s basically been doing all along?

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MsJ  Oct 25, 2016 • 8:14:26am

re: #441 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Obama would be great at stand up if he’d loosen up a little more. Maybe retiring as president will improve his delivery. He’s got the timing down pretty good.

Remember that he has to weigh almost every word he says or some right winger will say this or that and the other thing. Also, he has to consider every word since he represents a nation…and there are people worldwide that watch him.

I think he thoughtfully weighs every syllable that comes out of his mouth.

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Teukka  Oct 25, 2016 • 8:14:45am

re: #428 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Yes, that’s what catacombs are for.

re: #434 Decatur Deb

And ossuaries:

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GoT, anyone?

I wouldn’t want to take up that much space once I’m gone. Cremation, if a headstone one which does not stick up more off the ground than an A4 sheet, otherwise a plaque will do. Only way the place won’t turn into a Necropolis eventually.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Oct 25, 2016 • 8:14:48am

re: #446 Jay C

“In the meantime”? Isn’t this what he’s basically been doing all along?

Well yes but now he’s not even making even a meager attempt to try and hide it.

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Le Lapin Tueur  Oct 25, 2016 • 8:15:12am

re: #429 Ziggy_TARDIS

A lot of people seem to want things to stay static and unmoved.

Hence, you get conservatism. Or, for those that want to get back to “the good ole days,” you have the reactionaries. Which is what most of the vocal republicans currently are; they certainly aren’t conservative.

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MsJ  Oct 25, 2016 • 8:17:33am

re: #445 Targetpractice

I think when the chapter is written on this year, it will be that the person who ultimately won ran what was largely the most conventional campaign in ages. She staged rallies and got up on the stump to preach, but that wasn’t the bread and butter of her campaign. Nor did she do as her opponents first predicted and then accused her of doing, which was going nasty and attacking them personally. She ran on the issues and used only one thing to ever attack her opponents: Their own records. She spent all that money that the “holier than thou” crowd sneered at to run one of the most effective ground games in recent elections.

Given how this election has gone, I don’t think Bernie could have done any better. In fact, I think he would fared far worse against an opponent like Trump. The media that has obsessed about Hillary’s emails, the Clinton Foundation, and her health would have been relentless in digging up every bit of dirt on Bernie.

If you were tired of hearing EMAIL! just think how sick we’d be of hearing SOCIALISM! COMMUNISM! Ruining Amurka! Making us Russia (which, really, if there is a deity up there, s/he is laughing at us bigly!)

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Teukka  Oct 25, 2016 • 8:18:23am

re: #451 MsJ

If you were tired of hearing EMAIL! just think how sick we’d be of hearing SOCIALISM! COMMUNISM! Ruining Amurka! Making us Russia (which, really, if there is a deity up there, s/he is laughing at us bigly!)

God is most likely facepalming…
*ducks*

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Dr. Matt  Oct 25, 2016 • 8:18:25am

As we should expect, he was a pig.

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Decatur Deb  Oct 25, 2016 • 8:19:07am

re: #448 Teukka

I wouldn’t want to take up that much space once I’m gone. Cremation, if a headstone one which does not stick up more off the ground than an A4 sheet, otherwise a plaque will do. Only way the place won’t turn into a Necropolis eventually.

Wife and I have been exploring a radically-green cemetery in Florida. No embalming, no hardwood coffins, only small native stones for markers (discouraged in favor of GPS). The place is deliberately run to prevent development of a private nature preserve by salting it with stiffs.

Getting a body across state lines in a hurry is an enormous hassle.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Oct 25, 2016 • 8:20:37am

re: #445 Targetpractice

This election cycle has also proved that a demagogue with no ground game has no chance against a seasoned campaigner with the full support of his or her party. Trump was able to whip his rally crowds into a frenzy, but all that energy is wasted if it doesn’t get channeled into GOTV efforts and state-by-state organization. In addition, Trump has proved to everyone but the GOP leadership that no one can hope to win the presidency by alienating minorities and women. If another racist demagogue rises from the ashes of Trump’s campaign, he won’t have a chance, unless there is some serious ratfuckery and/or illegal shenanigans against the opposition.

If we can survive this election, and the days immediately following it, we will end up as a stronger democracy than before.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Oct 25, 2016 • 8:21:32am

re: #447 MsJ

Remember that he has to weigh almost every word he says or some right winger will say this or that and the other thing. Also, he has to consider every word since he represents a nation…and there are people worldwide that watch him.

I think he thoughtfully weighs every syllable that comes out of his mouth.

Yep. That’s why I expect Obama post-White House will be even funnier.

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Sir John Barron  Oct 25, 2016 • 8:21:39am

re: #423 lawhawk

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When this election is over, Trump’s behavior and “strategery” will be examined for generations to come as a lesson on what to avoid doing if you have any interest in winning a national election.

The GOP will take away the lesson that you can win only if you’re even more bluntly bigoted. Because that’s what they’ve learned from 2008 to 2012 to 2016.

From the article:

“At a recent Trump rally they passed around sign-up sheets to volunteer for the campaign. Some of those sheets weren’t even collected”.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Oct 25, 2016 • 8:21:44am

re: #450 Le Lapin Tueur

That isn’t to say things can’t go incredibly wrong, like the War Bonnets issue, or the Chinese attempts at obliterating their minorities, except in cases of trying to use a shallow imitation of Tourism.

Hopefully, China’s habit of cycling through governments will save these cultures to some extent. Tibetan and Uyghur culture are beautiful.

Edit: Took part of last sentence out. Yes, I have the impulse to take a swing at a culture trying to smother the 2 to death is tempting, but it doesn’t mean I should.

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MsJ  Oct 25, 2016 • 8:22:23am

re: #453 Dr. Matt

This is the first time I am seeing the Trump Files. Holy cow. I mean…yowza.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Oct 25, 2016 • 8:22:52am

re: #456 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Yep. That’s why I expect Obama post-White House will be even funnier.

And way more epic.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Oct 25, 2016 • 8:25:20am

re: #458 Ziggy_TARDIS

That isn’t to say things can’t go incredibly wrong, like the War Bonnets issue, or the Chinese attempts at obliterating their minorities, except in cases of trying to use a shallow imitation of Tourism.

Hopefully, China’s habit of cycling through governments will save these cultures to some extent. Tibetan and Uyghur culture are beautiful, more so than Han Culture.

I would urge you not to compare cultures’ “beauty” against some arbitrary and personal standard, especially if you are not terribly familiar with them. I’m no fan of the CPC, but I take offense at your last statement on behalf of my many Han friends.

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lawhawk  Oct 25, 2016 • 8:25:57am
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Ziggy_TARDIS  Oct 25, 2016 • 8:26:58am

re: #461 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Reload my comment. I modified it, realizing that.

I had the impulse to take a swing at a culture trying to destroy the other 2. It is wrong, and I need to learn to control it.

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Dr. Matt  Oct 25, 2016 • 8:27:11am

re: #459 MsJ

This is the first time I am seeing the Trump Files. Holy cow. I mean…yowza.

Yeah. What a complete shitshow.

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Rightwingconspirator  Oct 25, 2016 • 8:27:42am

Good Morning. I snuck out on a fire escape because the surise had that look, maybe a tiny bit of a beauty break early?
littlegreenfootballs.com

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ObserverArt  Oct 25, 2016 • 8:31:11am

re: #423 lawhawk

[Embedded content]

When this election is over, Trump’s behavior and “strategery” will be examined for generations to come as a lesson on what to avoid doing if you have any interest in winning a national election.

The GOP will take away the lesson that you can win only if you’re even more bluntly bigoted. Because that’s what they’ve learned from 2008 to 2012 to 2016.

What is scary though is how well he still is doing with such crappy strategy. It does show that social media plays a big role these days. Also, an over-the-top personality seems to fit into “entertainment news media” which has come to show that if you are a personality already familiar to the populace you can get a disproportional amount of coverage compared to a generally known politician.

To sum up: it is changing, this political “strategery” thing…and it shows it may be possible to downplay the street level efforts with a media/internet driven campaign. It would also be more effective to go this route if you aren’t a despicable assbag like Trump.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Oct 25, 2016 • 8:32:58am

re: #463 Ziggy_TARDIS

Reload my comment. I modified it, realizing that.

I had the impulse to take a swing at a culture trying to destroy the other 2. It is wrong, and I need to learn to control it.

Yeah. That’s better.

As for China cycling through governments, don’t hold your breath. The Qing (Manchu) dynasty lasted 268 years. The Republic of China might have survived longer if not for the Japanese occupation. And the Communists have been in power for 67 years, and seem intent in outlasting the Qing empire. If the Party can keep China’s economy humming along well enough to please its people, the Party will be able to stay in power. But if the economy fractures, all bets are off.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Oct 25, 2016 • 8:42:49am

re: #466 ObserverArt

What is scary though is how well he still is doing with such crappy strategy. It does show that social media plays a big role these days. Also, an over-the-top personality seems to fit into “entertainment news media” which has come to show that if you are a personality already familiar to the populace you can get a disproportional amount of coverage compared to a generally known politician.

To sum up: it is changing, this political “strategery” thing…and it shows it may be possible to downplay the street level efforts with a media/internet driven campaign. It would also be more effective to go this route if you aren’t a despicable assbag like Trump.

People are worried about a more presentable Trump emerging with the same repugnant ideology—as near as you can pin Trump’s ideology down. I don’t think this is a greater danger—I think it’s a much lesser one. They will be by definition less “colorful”, won’t have the already-established celebrity value, and won’t get nearly the free publicity that Trump has gotten just due to the fact that he’s always gotten it, plus the freak-show value. Just my 2¢.

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Jay C  Oct 25, 2016 • 8:43:11am

re: #455 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

This election cycle has also proved that a demagogue with no ground game has no chance against a seasoned campaigner with the full support of his or her party. Trump was able to whip his rally crowds into a frenzy, but all that energy is wasted if it doesn’t get channeled into GOTV efforts and state-by-state organization. In addition, Trump has proved to everyone but the GOP leadership that no one can hope to win the presidency by alienating minorities and women. If another racist demagogue rises from the ashes of Trump’s campaign, he won’t have a chance, unless there is some serious ratfuckery and/or illegal shenanigans against the opposition.

If we can survive this election, and the days immediately following it, we will end up as a stronger democracy than before.

I certainly hope you’re right in your last observation, but I wouldn’t take it as a given.

Unfortunately, another takeaway from this election is probably going to be that a demagogue with a strong ground game and good national organization stands at the worst, an even chance of being elected. As long as said candidate keeps a few major factors in mind:

1. Tune the overt hostility/racism/xenophobia/religious fanaticism back to dog-whistle frequencies: the nutters will hear the message, if it’s there.

2. Keep their nose clean/pants zipped: Campaign publicity showed Donald Trump up to be a rude sexist pig (which should have been a surprise to absolutely no one) - a candidate who displays a more “respectful” attitude towards women/has a more “respectable” family life will probably go considerably farther.

3. Suck up to, rather than bash the media. The “mainstream” media in this country (and never mind the fringies) is already, as Josh Marshall put it, “hard-wired for Republicans” - and unlikely to change in the near future. A press-friendly nominee, versus one who assumes, like Trump, that the only function of the media is to mindlessly back him is going to probably get as much good coverage as Donald, but without any of the negatives.

BTW, if I haven’t mentioned actual policy or governance issues here, it’s deliberate: For the most part, in this country, it’s image, rather than substance which elects Presidents. It shouldn’t be so, but there we are: the problem is with the electorate, not the candidates: and that’s considerably harder to replace.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Oct 25, 2016 • 8:47:11am

re: #469 Jay C

Or, maybe you’re right—who knows?

“May you live in interesting times.”

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Teukka  Oct 25, 2016 • 8:49:57am

re: #470 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Or, maybe you’re right—who knows?

“May you live in interesting times.”

… “and may you provoke the curiosity of important people.”

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Belafon  Oct 25, 2016 • 8:50:10am

re: #469 Jay C

I can’t go look for the tweet right now, but as Chris Hays pointed out, the polls were changing after the first debate before the 2005 video came out.

We have to really watch thinking everyone is like us, being political junkies. Most people don’t care about the election until after Labor Day, and their first real exposure is the first debate. Now, there are people who will vote for their party no matter what, but a lot of people decide whether or not to participate at all pretty late in the election.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Oct 25, 2016 • 8:54:09am

re: #469 Jay C

I grant the possibility such a person might pop up, but the three provisos seem unlikely to happen in one person, who would also need sufficient charisma to win people over.

What will not happen is introspection and reform by the nation’s media, who have largely welched on their traditional role of the “Fourth Estate” in favor of partisan politics (and sexist coverage). Corporate media is the weak link in the election process, and I’m not confident they will do a better job in 2020.

Just typing that number amazes me. When I was a kid, 2020 was like the far future.

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Targetpractice  Oct 25, 2016 • 8:55:39am

re: #455 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

This election cycle has also proved that a demagogue with no ground game has no chance against a seasoned campaigner with the full support of his or her party. Trump was able to whip his rally crowds into a frenzy, but all that energy is wasted if it doesn’t get channeled into GOTV efforts and state-by-state organization. In addition, Trump has proved to everyone but the GOP leadership that no one can hope to win the presidency by alienating minorities and women. If another racist demagogue rises from the ashes of Trump’s campaign, he won’t have a chance, unless there is some serious ratfuckery and/or illegal shenanigans against the opposition.

If we can survive this election, and the days immediately following it, we will end up as a stronger democracy than before.

I really think that applies to both of her opponents, no offense to the former Bernie supporters in the house. Bernie’s run against Hillary was largely a preview of the general election against Trump. He lacked a serious ground game, he pumped campaign donations into rallies rather than GOTV, he exerted no control over his supporters and so watched them sour voter opinions, and towards the end he tried to spread the idea that the whole game was rigged because his “holier than thou” campaign wasn’t working for him. And while he wasn’t racist or misogynist, his insistence on income inequality being the only issue that mattered pretty much lost him the vote of minorities and women.

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makeitstop  Oct 25, 2016 • 8:55:40am

re: #465 Great White Snark

Good Morning. I snuck out on a fire escape because the surise had that look, maybe a tiny bit of a beauty break early?
littlegreenfootballs.com

I could almost feel being in LA from that shot.

As I said on your page, I miss your city. I want to do a proper vacation there before I’m done.

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Eventual Carrion  Oct 25, 2016 • 8:56:33am

re: #404 A wild WITHAK appeared!

Sorry, but that typo made me laugh…

HA, I hadn’t even noticed it until I you mentioned it.

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Targetpractice  Oct 25, 2016 • 8:57:10am

re: #473 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

I grant the possibility such a person might pop up, but the three provisos seem unlikely to happen in one person, who would also need sufficient charisma to win people over.

What will not happen is introspection and reform by the nation’s media, who have largely welched on their traditional role of the “Fourth Estate” in favor of partisan politics (and sexist coverage). Corporate media is the weak link in the election process, and I’m not confident they will do a better job in 2020.

Just typing that number amazes me. When I was a kid, 2020 was like the far future.

I stand by my prediction that anybody who can win the GOP primaries will lose in the general election until some major shift in the party’s make-up happens. So long as they have to rely upon this toxic stew of a base for the nomination, they will enter the general at a major disadvantage.

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electrotek  Oct 25, 2016 • 8:58:58am

On the bright side, I found out that the judge approved the $14.7 billion buyback for VWoA today! Now I can turn my 2012 Golf TDI back to them and receive a hefty payout for it! YES!

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Oct 25, 2016 • 9:03:57am

re: #477 Targetpractice

I stand by my prediction that anybody who can win the GOP primaries will lose in the general election until some major shift in the party’s make-up happens. So long as they have to rely upon this toxic stew of a base for the nomination, they will enter the general at a major disadvantage.

Redistricting after 2020 will change things a little, probably for the worse, but right now, what with VA becoming pretty reliable on the Presidential level, a Democratic candidate has a fairly solid 264 EVs. Add in any one of NV, CO, IA, OH, NC, or FL and it’s all over. The Republican has to win ALL of them.

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A wild WITHAK appeared!  Oct 25, 2016 • 9:05:33am

re: #478 electrotek

I’m still waiting for them to process my documentation to finish the claims process… time to check on that.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Oct 25, 2016 • 9:07:35am

re: #479 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Redistricting after 2020 will change things a little, probably for the worse, but right now, what with VA becoming pretty reliable on the Presidential level, a Democratic candidate has a fairly solid 264 EVs. Add in any one of NV, CO, IA, OH, NC, or FL and it’s all over. The Republican has to win ALL of them.

The GOP will only be viable on the national scale if it sheds the white-only, uber-Christian-only segment of its membership. Doing so, of course, will probably cost the party congressional, state and local seats, so realistically I don’t see any major realignment of the GOP anytime soon.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Oct 25, 2016 • 9:08:16am

re: #478 electrotek

On the bright side, I found out that the judge approved the $14.7 billion buyback for VWoA today! Now I can turn my 2012 Golf TDI back to them and receive a hefty payout for it! YES!

I assume you will apply it toward a non-VW car.

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Jay C  Oct 25, 2016 • 9:11:03am

re: #473 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

I grant the possibility such a person might pop up, but the three provisos seem unlikely to happen in one person, who would also need sufficient charisma to win people over.

What will not happen is introspection and reform by the nation’s media, who have largely welched on their traditional role of the “Fourth Estate” in favor of partisan politics (and sexist coverage). Corporate media is the weak link in the election process, and I’m not confident they will do a better job in 2020.

Just typing that number amazes me. When I was a kid, 2020 was like the far future.

Agree with your second point, but not the first: “charisma”, while certainly a useful trait in a national candidate isn’t (IMO) an absolute necessity. I think personability shortcomings can be overcome (or at least minimized) by a combination of factors:

1. Adequate financing
2. A strong national organization behind them
3. Solid, professional campaigning
4. Diligent media massaging.*

Applying these factors with good campaign discipline may not guarantee a win, but it will at least make the race close.

Oh, and yeah: when I was a kid, I would have imagined living in the year 2016 probably like something out of The Jetsons . Still waiting for those flying cars….

*ETA: factors, we’ll notice, conspicuously lacking in Donald Trump’s campaign.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Oct 25, 2016 • 9:12:30am

re: #482 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

I assume you will apply it toward a non-VW car.

I wish I still had my ‘74 412 Wagon….

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MsJ  Oct 25, 2016 • 9:13:17am

re: #478 electrotek

On the bright side, I found out that the judge approved the $14.7 billion buyback for VWoA today! Now I can turn my 2012 Golf TDI back to them and receive a hefty payout for it! YES!

Nice. What are you going to get?

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electrotek  Oct 25, 2016 • 9:13:17am

re: #480 A wild WITHAK appeared!

I’m still waiting for them to process my documentation to finish the claims process… time to check on that.

I submitted mine yesterday so I don’t expect it to be approved any time soon. I take it you check on TDIClub forums religiously for any updates eh?

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Oct 25, 2016 • 9:14:08am

re: #483 Jay C

Agree with your second point, but not the first: “charisma”, while certainly a useful trait in a national candidate isn’t (IMO) an absolute necessity. I think personability shortcomings can be overcome (or at least minimized) by a combination of factors:

1. Adequate financing
2. A strong national organization behind them
3. Solid, professional campaigning
4. Diligent media massaging.

Applying these factors with good campaign discipline may not guarantee a win, but it will at least make the race close.

Oh, and yeah: when I was a kid, I would have imagined living in the year 2016 probably like something out of The Jetsons . Still waiting for those flying cars….

A rotating torus space station, a colony on the Moon, fusion power — still waiting for those too.

OTOH, smartphones and digital media are pretty cool, so it’s not all bad.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Oct 25, 2016 • 9:15:19am

Time for bed here, folks. See you on the morrow.

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electrotek  Oct 25, 2016 • 9:17:51am

re: #482 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

I assume you will apply it toward a non-VW car.

Au contraire, mon ami. I will apply it towards a down payment on a home. I have another car I’ve been driving a lot more as the TDI gets driven only once a week to keep the battery running and to ensure the calipers don’t get seized up from sitting outside all the time.

My other car happens to be a ‘96 Honda Civic CX hatchback that’s at least a 5 speed manual, unlike the TDI which is a Dual-Sequential Gearbox. The DSG is great for bumper to bumper traffic (especially when I drove it out to Los Angeles a couple of months ago), but it is higher maintenance than a manual gearbox with DSG fluid changes every 40,000 miles.

I loved my TDI a lot and I felt it excelled in German refinement quite well compared to its competition, but the long-term reliability with regards to the Dual Particulate Filter and the High Pressure Fuel Pump has me in a bind. The buyback announcement is a blessing for me and I have incredibly lucked out with such a purchase. I only have just a hair shy of 70,000 miles on it, which is surprising for a car I purchased in August of 2012. Usually TDI’s are driven a lot as that’s what they are best suited for.

I just wished VW didn’t screw this one up in the name of short-term monetary gain, because thanks to them they have set back efforts of other manufacturers to bring their coveted diesel vehicles in the states.

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A wild WITHAK appeared!  Oct 25, 2016 • 9:19:18am

re: #486 electrotek

I submitted mine yesterday so I don’t expect it to be approved any time soon. I take it you check on TDIClub forums religiously for any updates eh?

I submitted mine the first day we could do so; no movement yet. They’re pretty good about emailing updates — I don’t monitor any forums.

Time to do some car shopping, which I don’t really have time for, but at least this debacle has a relatively happy ending.

I may end up with another VW, who knows.

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electrotek  Oct 25, 2016 • 9:21:58am

re: #485 MsJ

Nice. What are you going to get?

Part of me wants to go for a grey-market vehicle, preferably a Toyota Chaser or a Lotus Carlton thanks to the ever-declining pound making it easier to obtain such a vehicle, but I have to be fiscally smart. As a result, it will go towards the down payment of my first home soon.

And the timing is bad because the DFW housing market continues to rise exponentially, and it pisses me off. I wished I could have got a house 5-7 years ago, but I was riddled with student loans and excess credit card debt. Now that my student loan was paid off as of November last year, my credit card debt being at a tolerable level (no more than 3% of my total credit limit), and a credit score in the 810s-820s, you’d figure that I would be in a prime spot to be approved easily for a home, especially when I’ll have more than $30,000 in the bank for a down payment. But given the rising prices here, I’m not sure anymore, and it fucking sucks.

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meteor  Oct 25, 2016 • 9:22:27am

re: #28 Stanley Sea

The most disgusting human.

I’m going to have ice cream & forget this horror for a while.

Chocolate almond with rainbow sprinkles.

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Teukka  Oct 25, 2016 • 9:25:50am

Off topic but WOAH.
Major police operation ongoing in Tampere, Finland. A passenger plane has been escorted by fighter jets from French airspace to the airport. Passengers have been subject to interrogation and passport checks.
iltasanomat.fi
translate.google.com

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MsJ  Oct 25, 2016 • 9:26:24am

re: #491 electrotek

Part of me wants to go for a grey-market vehicle, preferably a Toyota Chaser or a Lotus Carlton thanks to the ever-declining pound making it easier to obtain such a vehicle, but I have to be fiscally smart. As a result, it will go towards the down payment of my first home soon.

And the timing is bad because the DFW housing market continues to rise exponentially, and it pisses me off. I wished I could have got a house 5-7 years ago, but I was riddled with student loans and excess credit card debt. Now that my student loan was paid off as of November last year, my credit card debt being at a tolerable level (no more than 3% of my total credit limit), and a credit score in the 810s-820s, you’d figure that I would be in a prime spot to be approved easily for a home, especially when I’ll have more than $30,000 in the bank for a down payment. But given the rising prices here, I’m not sure anymore, and it fucking sucks.

That’s awesome! Contrats!

OOC, how much are you getting back from VW?

With what you said above, you should have banks and mortgage companies fighting over you. Shop around…you should get top (lowest) rates out there.

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electrotek  Oct 25, 2016 • 9:26:40am

re: #484 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

I wish I still had my ‘74 412 Wagon….

My first diesel was actually an ‘82 Volvo 240 Diesel Estate, and it actually had a D24 VW non-turbo diesel engine out of their Commercial Vehicle line during that time period.

Slow as balls, yes, but it was interesting to see how it all worked. I unfortunately had to sell it 3 months after purchase thanks to my mom who hated the car so much that I couldn’t deal with her excess whining and had a guy from Wisconsin fly down, bought the car, and drove back up with it. The things I could have done with that car, especially as a project car :(

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jeffreyw  Oct 25, 2016 • 9:27:04am

re: #492 meteor

Chocolate almond with rainbow sprinkles.

Imgur


Vanilla in between choclate chip cookies?

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MsJ  Oct 25, 2016 • 9:28:29am

re: #493 Teukka

Off topic but WOAH.
Major police operation ongoing in Tampere, Finland. A passenger plane has been escorted by fighter jets from French airspace to the airport. Passengers have been subject to interrogation and passport checks.
iltasanomat.fi
translate.google.com

Holy cow on that translation! LOL! (Sorry, but that is pretty funny.)

Holy cow on the situation. I assume The Machine Was Suspected of Abduction means they think it was hijacked.

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Teukka  Oct 25, 2016 • 9:28:52am

re: #493 Teukka

Off topic but WOAH.
Major police operation ongoing in Tampere, Finland. A passenger plane has been escorted by fighter jets from French airspace to the airport. Passengers have been subject to interrogation and passport checks.
iltasanomat.fi
translate.google.com

Update: Apparently there has been a suspicion of a hijacking.

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electrotek  Oct 25, 2016 • 9:30:41am

re: #494 MsJ

That’s awesome! Contrats!

OOC, how much are you getting back from VW?

With what you said above, you should have banks and mortgage companies fighting over you. Shop around…you should get top (lowest) rates out there.

Based on my calculations (which can subject to change based on mileage tiers), as of now I have the potential to be paid $20,700-$22,100. The figures are based on when I turn it in and how much I drive it. If I keep my mileage to less than 1024 a month, I won’t lose out any money.

I would get the lowest, but I still want to make sure it’s a home I can afford to live in as well. I don’t want to be “house poor” (even though my Civic is obviously 100% paid off) and not have any money left for savings.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 25, 2016 • 9:31:56am
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Targetpractice  Oct 25, 2016 • 9:33:18am

re: #500 Backwoods_Sleuth

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A picture that says “Where will you be when your laxative kicks in?”

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 25, 2016 • 9:33:38am

re: #367 lawhawk

So, Trump’s busy touting one of his golf courses today, and will be doing a campaign stop in DC to open his hotel there.

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These aren’t campaign stops so much as attempts to garner free press and advertising for his hotels and resorts. The media needs to lead with that in their reporting.

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Tigger2  Oct 25, 2016 • 9:33:50am
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Teukka  Oct 25, 2016 • 9:34:14am

re: #501 Targetpractice

A picture that says “Where will you be when your laxative kicks in?”

Or “It was a shart!”

Donnie Baker ★ 25 It Was A Shart ★ My Job Sucks

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 25, 2016 • 9:35:37am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 25, 2016 • 9:41:05am
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Sir John Barron  Oct 25, 2016 • 9:45:02am

re: #505 Backwoods_Sleuth

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The email (from the clerk in question) also claims that the statutes require that polling stations not be in places that favor one party over another.

I find that hard to believe. Polling stations are typically in neighborhoods, communities where people live or cluster, and which are likely to favor one party over another.

Although perhaps I’m misunderstanding the email or the statute.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 25, 2016 • 9:45:47am
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Sir John Barron  Oct 25, 2016 • 9:47:07am

re: #506 Backwoods_Sleuth

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I pay my employees crap, OK? And I don’t cover all of them for health insurance. But look at them. Would you cover them? I have the best health insurance, believe me.

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MsJ  Oct 25, 2016 • 9:48:26am

re: #499 electrotek

Based on my calculations (which can subject to change based on mileage tiers), as of now I have the potential to be paid $20,700-$22,100. The figures are based on when I turn it in and how much I drive it. If I keep my mileage to less than 1024 a month, I won’t lose out any money.

I would get the lowest, but I still want to make sure it’s a home I can afford to live in as well. I don’t want to be “house poor” (even though my Civic is obviously 100% paid off) and not have any money left for savings.

Nice. Good planning. I wish you all the best!!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 25, 2016 • 9:49:31am
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Patricia Kayden  Oct 25, 2016 • 9:50:06am

re: #453 Dr. Matt

When it comes to women, everything boils down to how Trump’s penis feels about them. He’s a true misogynist. Can’t wait for November 9th when I don’t have to hear about him again.

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Patricia Kayden  Oct 25, 2016 • 9:52:49am

re: #500 Backwoods_Sleuth

What a coincidence because when I see Christie, I see him in an orange jumpsuit. We’ll see which one of us is correct after the Bridge Gate trials are over.

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Belafon  Oct 25, 2016 • 9:53:33am

re: #512 Patricia Kayden

When it comes to women, everything boils down to how Trump’s penis feels about them. He’s a true misogynist. Can’t wait for November 9th when I don’t have to hear about him again.

I suspect we’ll get a week of “Why hasn’t Trump conceded?” until the negative attention really starts hurting his brand.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 25, 2016 • 9:54:54am

Rate increases in Kentucky:

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Reality Based Steve  Oct 25, 2016 • 9:57:04am

re: #492 meteor

Chocolate almond with rainbow sprinkles.

Pistachio with a little bit of chocolate syrup

RBS

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Rightwingconspirator  Oct 25, 2016 • 9:58:10am

re: #493 Teukka

Off topic but WOAH.
Major police operation ongoing in Tampere, Finland. A passenger plane has been escorted by fighter jets from French airspace to the airport. Passengers have been subject to interrogation and passport checks.
iltasanomat.fi
translate.google.com

re: #497 MsJ

No kidding.

Then it became a machine Hornet convoy. Another Hornet became the fall, the other flew over. The machine does not come to the apron, but parked on the runway. Then the police left the runway, gray, black glass large minibus.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 25, 2016 • 10:01:55am

In Roanoke this morning:

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Patricia Kayden  Oct 25, 2016 • 10:04:01am

re: #514 Belafon

As soon as they announce that Clinton has clinched the Presidency, I could care less what Trump has to say about anything. He can go on a hunger strike, refuse to accept the election results, stamp his feet, sue everybody, whatever. His racist behind is done on November 9th. The media can stay fascinated with him but I’ve had enough.

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sagehen  Oct 25, 2016 • 10:04:30am

re: #386 lawhawk

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Never mind that employer-based insurance is also going up (mine went up double digits as well, on the claim that there were higher than anticipated health care costs borne by the employer that have to be passed on and we’ve had several years of lower than average increases). The difference is that the employer based hikes aren’t public knowledge and easily obtained as compared to the Obamacare marketplace rates, which get far more scrutiny.

I wonder how much of the increase is due to MASSIVE price increases in prescription drugs.

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Rightwingconspirator  Oct 25, 2016 • 10:04:54am

Like clockwork (orange). Nobody ever hoaxed anything on social media right?

Alex Jones’ InfoWars
REPORT: VOTES SWITCHED FROM TRUMP TO HILLARY IN TEXAS

Social media forums are also ablaze with concerns about votes being switched.
“Multiple reports on my Facebook, Periscope, Snapchat, and Twitter from my friends in Texas, and all of them had their vote switched to Clinton automatically,” one post on The Donald Reddit is headlined.
The reports are alarming, especially given the fact that the media, Hillary Clinton’s campaign and even President Obama himself have all attempted to dismiss Donald Trump’s concerns about vote rigging as a baseless conspiracy theory.

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Tigger2  Oct 25, 2016 • 10:07:16am

re: #520 sagehen

I wonder how much of the increase is due to MASSIVE price increases in prescription drugs.

And how much is it because of CEOs outrageous salaries and bonuses.

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I Would Prefer Not To  Oct 25, 2016 • 10:07:29am

re: #512 Patricia Kayden

When it comes to women, everything boils down to how Trump’s penis feels about them. He’s a true misogynist. Can’t wait for November 9th when I don’t have to hear about him again.

He’s not going away. He likes talking too much. The good news is that he will be in the grandstands and not in the white house.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 25, 2016 • 10:08:27am

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MsJ  Oct 25, 2016 • 10:08:32am

re: #519 Patricia Kayden

As soon as they announce that Clinton has clinched the Presidency, I could care less what Trump has to say about anything. He can go on a hunger strike, refuse to accept the election results, stamp his feet, sue everybody, whatever. His racist behind is done on November 9th. The media can stay fascinated with him but I’ve had enough.

Amen, sistah!

I am actually hoping he goes on a hunger strike. The world would be a better place.

Maybe he can take his kids with him. They are as equally icky.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 25, 2016 • 10:10:00am
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MsJ  Oct 25, 2016 • 10:16:44am

re: #526 Backwoods_Sleuth

I neither love or hate Allred but damn, good for her. This Trumpbomination needs to go away.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 25, 2016 • 10:19:33am
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A wild WITHAK appeared!  Oct 25, 2016 • 10:20:42am

re: #528 Backwoods_Sleuth

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What really baffles me is the large percentage of the electorate that pines for the 50s without having possibly lived through any of it.

Give me a break.

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lawhawk  Oct 25, 2016 • 10:21:04am
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Trumpkins, Vote Nov. 28th!!  Oct 25, 2016 • 10:22:50am

Report: Green Bay clerk sought to snuff campus voting because ‘students lean more toward the Democrats’

The Green Bay city clerk contacted the state Ethics Commission to ask if she could rebuff a request to put an early voting site on the UW-Green Bay campus because “students lean more toward the Democrats,” according to a new report in The Nation magazine.

The report says Kris Teske is an appointee of Green Bay’s mayor, Jim Schmitt, whom it describes as Republican.

Schmitt describes himself as nonpartisan, but he reportedly has praised Republican Gov. Scott Walker and was considered for a post in Walker’s cabinet. Schmitt also has contributed to Republican elected officials’ campaigns, including state Reps. Andre Jacque, R-De Pere, and John Macco, R-Ledgeview.

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Rightwingconspirator  Oct 25, 2016 • 10:23:54am

I smell something. Ah yes the scent of desperation and fear. Trump the candidate has about had it.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Oct 25, 2016 • 10:24:45am

re: #528 Backwoods_Sleuth

We always look back on history with rose colored glasses. A lot of the time it wasn’t as great as we think it was: less freedom, shorter lifespans, more disease, more segregation, more war.

Yeah the mid 20th century was just so fucking awesome…

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MsJ  Oct 25, 2016 • 10:27:13am

re: #529 A wild WITHAK appeared!

What really baffles me is the large percentage of the electorate that pines for the 50s without having possibly lived through any of it.

Give me a break.

I think that there are a lot of people romanticizing jobs for all, respect (imagined or real), being able to stay at a job for 30 years, getting a pension, American Dream, a house for all…all that stuff that looks good on television and in movies but was really messy and ugly to live through.

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Decatur Deb  Oct 25, 2016 • 10:28:03am

re: #529 A wild WITHAK appeared!

What really baffles me is the large percentage of the electorate that pines for the 50s without having possibly lived through any of it.

Give me a break.

Did the 50s. The 50s sucked. Couple good songs towards the end.

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Patricia Kayden  Oct 25, 2016 • 10:28:32am

re: #524 Backwoods_Sleuth

Doesn’t sound promising. Fingers and toes crossed that he loses badly. That’s what you should get for selling your soul to Trump after he disrespects your people and calls you “Little Rubio”.

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lawhawk  Oct 25, 2016 • 10:29:54am

re: #533 Eclectic Cyborg

We always look back on history with rose colored glasses. A lot of the time it wasn’t as great as we think it was: less freedom, shorter lifespans, more disease, more segregation, more war.

Yeah the mid 20th century was just so fucking awesome…

Mid 20th Century: back to a time when segregation and Jim Crow was still in force until Brown and the Board of Ed decision and Eisenhower sent in troops to force desegregation over the states-rights segregationists.

It was also a time when the top tax rate was over 90% and economic growth wasn’t tied to tax cuts. In fact, this latter bit isn’t convenient to the current GOP/right wing extremists because it undermines the whole trickle down nonsense they’re spouting these days.

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Belafon  Oct 25, 2016 • 10:32:18am

re: #528 Backwoods_Sleuth

The poll is awesome in that it indicates entirely that the group most wanting to go back are the white evangelicals who are losing their “automatic” status.

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Franklin  Oct 25, 2016 • 10:32:29am

re: #528 Backwoods_Sleuth

Anecdote time:

I had a convo with a relative about this. They think the racial division (courtesy of Obummer of course) is worse today than at any point in history. I mentioned the 50’s and 60’s which they were alive for and they said it wasn’t as bad.

Now, this person has lived their whole life in the Northeast and not the South so might not have seen/experienced the worst of the worst. But still a ridiculous comparison and position to hold.

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wrenchwench  Oct 25, 2016 • 10:32:57am

re: #535 Decatur Deb

Did the 50s. The 50s sucked. Couple good songs towards the end.

According to my malfunctional mom, the last two years of the 50s didn’t suck enough for me. Weened at 3 months (at one point I was under the impression it was 3 weeks. Now, that would have been too soon!)

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 25, 2016 • 10:41:04am

Day 2 of early voting in Texas:

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electrotek  Oct 25, 2016 • 10:43:04am

re: #541 Backwoods_Sleuth

Day 2 of early voting in Texas:

Yeaaaahhh I think I’ll wait until next Monday afternoon to vote early.

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wrenchwench  Oct 25, 2016 • 10:44:35am

re: #541 Backwoods_Sleuth

Day 2 of early voting in Texas:

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That ‘enthusiasm gap’ is going to have to get in line.

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Jay C  Oct 25, 2016 • 10:48:25am

re: #538 Belafon

The poll is awesome in that it indicates entirely that the group most wanting to go back are the white evangelicals who are losing their “automatic” status.

And probably a lot of that “nostalgia” is - as usual with the Jump-for-Jesus crowd - is sex-related: they certainly pine for the Good Old Days when patriarchy was unquestioned, women stayed home (“in their place”), gays were a despised “pervert” fringe, and overt sexuality was more-or-less completely banished from the media and/or public discourse.

And of course, a time when overt public religiosity (if only to demonstrate our superiority to the godless commies) was unquestioningly accepted.

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Belafon  Oct 25, 2016 • 10:48:58am

re: #541 Backwoods_Sleuth

Day 2 of early voting in Texas:

A thought: This early voting is going to make it a lot harder for “poll watchers” to harass voters.

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Romantic Heretic  Oct 25, 2016 • 10:49:40am

re: #469 Jay C

Brings to mind George Carlin’s rant about the public.

Now, there’s one thing you might have noticed I don’t complain about: politicians. Everybody complains about politicians. Everybody says they suck. Well, where do people think these politicians come from? They don’t fall out of the sky. They don’t pass through a membrane from another reality. They come from American parents and American families, American homes, American schools, American churches, American businesses and American universities, and they are elected by American citizens. This is the best we can do folks. This is what we have to offer. It’s what our system produces: Garbage in, garbage out. If you have selfish, ignorant citizens, you’re going to get selfish, ignorant leaders. Term limits ain’t going to do any good; you’re just going to end up with a brand new bunch of selfish, ignorant Americans. So, maybe, maybe, maybe, it’s not the politicians who suck. Maybe something else sucks around here… like, the public. Yeah, the public sucks. There’s a nice campaign slogan for somebody: “The Public Sucks. Fuck Hope.”

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Romantic Heretic  Oct 25, 2016 • 10:50:34am

re: #471 Teukka

In the immortal words of Socrates, “I just drank what?”

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Lancelot Link  Oct 25, 2016 • 10:50:37am

re: #500 Backwoods_Sleuth

Former New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani: When I see Clinton, I see her in an orange jumpsuit

When I see Giuliani’s police commissioner, I see him in an orange jumpsuit


for some reason.
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Khal Wimpo (no longer entitled to his own facts)  Oct 25, 2016 • 10:50:42am

Shameless Page Pimpage: One of the more disturbing trends coming out of this election season is the apparent bloodlust on the part of Trump’s supporters to attack a free and independent media.

For a look at where that leads: littlegreenfootballs.com

The inspiration for writing this came when I saw this in my email inbox:

Adam Liptak at The New York Times writes: Fearing Trump, Bar Association Stifles Report Calling Him a ‘Libel Bully.’ Alarmed by Donald J. Trump’s record of filing lawsuits to punish and silence his critics, a committee of media lawyers at the American Bar Association commissioned a report on Mr. Trump’s litigation history. The report concluded that Mr. Trump was a “libel bully” who had filed many meritless suits attacking his opponents and had never won in court. But the bar association refused to publish the report, citing “the risk of the A.B.A. being sued by Mr. Trump.” Hadas Gold tweeted: Isn’t it ironic?

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Tigger2  Oct 25, 2016 • 10:50:47am

re: #541 Backwoods_Sleuth

Day 2 of early voting in Texas:

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Wish there was a way of knowing the leanings of the voters standing in line.

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Barefoot Grin  Oct 25, 2016 • 10:52:44am

re: #520 sagehen

I wonder how much of the increase is due to MASSIVE price increases in prescription drugs.

There was an article about this in our paper yesterday. A hospital system that was awarded a state contract to provide psychiatric services promptly fired dozens of employees. The state wants to cancel the contract; the hospital shows that unpredictable drug prices are blowing up the system. Probably more to it, but the pharma factor is real.

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ObserverArt  Oct 25, 2016 • 10:54:39am

After reading some of the posts above it sounds as if Mitch “Turtle” McConnell is living up to his name. It appears he is withdrawing into his shell. I sure hope the Dems can take back the senate and Mitch loses the leadership role.

Hopefully he retires or the citizens of Kentucky retire him next election should he decide to run again.

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Romantic Heretic  Oct 25, 2016 • 10:54:58am

re: #483 Jay C

4. Diligent media massaging.*

*ETA: factors, we’ll notice, conspicuously lacking in Donald Trump’s campaign.

Massages are something Donald only gets, never gives.

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Alephnaught  Oct 25, 2016 • 11:01:06am

re: #553 Romantic Heretic

Massages are something Donald only gets, never gives.

Maybe, but, like some dogs, he seems to be quite adept at leaving messages.

/////////////

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Nyet  Oct 25, 2016 • 11:01:43am

re: #20 TedStriker

Same same.

Let’s not be so confirmation biased as to give credence to something like this without concrete proof (as much as can be found as this late date, anyway).

True. Though two reluctant bystander witnesses, one of them non-anonymous, are pretty good as far as witness evidence goes. I.e. there is less doubt about this than about the claims made in that rape lawsuit. Then again, if true, this only confirms that certain key claims in that lawsuit are plausible, at least on the surface.

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Sherlock Hound  Oct 25, 2016 • 11:09:28am

re: #529 A wild WITHAK appeared!

What really baffles me is the large percentage of the electorate that pines for the 50s without having possibly lived through any of it.

Give me a break.

Those times were truly better—for whites. No sarcasm. When your nation is the only one left standing after WW2, that happens.

We base all of our middle-class measures on that era. It’s natural.

No politician is going to tell us we can’t recreate that again.

Even if it’s true.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 25, 2016 • 11:19:12am

re: #556 Sherlock Hound

Those times were truly better—for whites. No sarcasm. When your nation is the only one left standing after WW2, that happens.

We base all of our middle-class measures on that era. It’s natural.

No politician is going to tell us we can’t recreate that again.

Even if it’s true.

We can bring back strong unions, and higher tax brackets for higher incomes and strong communities without necessarily having to bring back Jim Crow and segregated schools.

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Kilroy was here  Oct 25, 2016 • 11:22:15am

re: #557 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

We can bring back strong unions, and higher tax brackets for higher incomes and strong communities without necessarily having to bring back Jim Crow and segregated schools.

But where is the fun in that?
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 25, 2016 • 11:24:54am

re: #558 Kilroy was here

But where is the fun in that?
////////

Yep, there was no fun in my brothers being able to work a summer job that covered the cost of their tuition for a state university for the year…they would have been much happier to graduate in debt up to their ears.

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lawhawk  Oct 25, 2016 • 11:27:01am
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Jenner7  Oct 25, 2016 • 11:27:12am

Very proud to have voted for Hillary Clinton this morning. Decent size line…for my city.

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MsJ  Oct 25, 2016 • 11:27:16am
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Emptor scriptor Remorse  Oct 25, 2016 • 11:29:15am

re: #478 electrotek

Same here, 2011 VW Sportwagen TDI

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MsJ  Oct 25, 2016 • 11:29:18am

I called my city hall to ask them what the lines are like. The girl who answered wouldn’t tell me, said she has no idea…I was like, your door looks out at where people vote. I am just trying to determine what my wait might be like. Could you look out the door? Nope.

So I guess I am going to have to plan on an all day event, whether it happens or not.

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Sir John Barron  Oct 25, 2016 • 11:30:56am

re: #541 Backwoods_Sleuth

Obviously rigged.

//

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CleverToad  Oct 25, 2016 • 11:31:18am

re: #557 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

We can bring back strong unions, and higher tax brackets for higher incomes and strong communities without necessarily having to bring back Jim Crow and segregated schools.

We can also bring ‘em back without polio, mumps and measles tagging along. That rosy rear-view lens conveniently leaves iron lungs out of the field of view, along with the double water fountains.

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Targetpractice  Oct 25, 2016 • 11:32:39am

We as a species have always loved to do two things: Romanticize the past and idealize the future. We always tell ourselves the past was a better time because life was simpler, the problems we deal with today didn’t exist, things were cheaper, and everything looked better. And likewise we tell ourselves that today’s problems with be solved tomorrow, that life will be made simpler by new technologies and new ways of doing things, the things we want will be cheaper as they become more common, and everything will be shiny and clean.

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Sherlock Hound  Oct 25, 2016 • 11:40:52am

re: #566 CleverToad

We can also bring ‘em back without polio, mumps and measles tagging along. That rosy rear-view lens conveniently leaves iron lungs out of the field of view, along with the double water fountains.

To hear people tell it—today!—those diseases Built Character.

We live in a country where just ONE presidential candidate supports vaccination!

ONE!

Did this ever happen in the 50’s? (Apart from the Birchers, a political group of that era I wish had never formed.)

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Eventual Carrion  Oct 25, 2016 • 11:54:53am

re: #560 lawhawk

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What would your penis extension be without nutz? Gelded?

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Eventual Carrion  Oct 25, 2016 • 11:56:11am

re: #566 CleverToad

We can also bring ‘em back without polio, mumps and measles tagging along. That rosy rear-view lens conveniently leaves iron lungs out of the field of view, along with the double water fountains.

And burning rivers

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sagehen  Oct 25, 2016 • 12:27:21pm

re: #562 MsJ

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So is he going to spiral into a deep depression starting in a couple of weeks, or will he take the Oscars approach (“It’s an honor just to be nominated”)?

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Oct 25, 2016 • 6:13:01pm

re: #493 Teukka

Google’s translation was horrible.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Oct 25, 2016 • 6:14:40pm

re: #506 Backwoods_Sleuth

NBC caught Trump saying that some of Trump’s employee’s are on Obamacare.


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