Friday Night Jam: Blind Pilot: NPR Music Tiny Desk Concert

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After this day of political bad craziness, here’s some really good music from a very unique band, Blind Pilot, on NPR’s Tiny Desk Concerts show.

Blind Pilot and the Tiny Desk series both launched in the same year, 2008, so it’s hard to comprehend how the two hadn’t converged until now: The band’s shimmery folk-pop sound, with its vibraphone and overarching vibrancy, is perfectly suited to the space behind Bob Boilen’s desk.

Fortunately, that sound has bloomed considerably since Blind Pilot’s beginnings, coinciding with the group’s expansion from a duo to a sextet. It’s certainly expansive enough to fill the air in this graceful performance of four songs from And Then Like Lions, on which singer Israel Nebeker issues a series of elegant, thoughtful reflections on how we interact with the past. The album’s arrangements are incredibly rich, but they’re also a perfect match for the organic, sonically uncluttered setting the Tiny Desk was designed to provide.

And Then Like Lions is available now:
iTunes: https://itunes.apple.com/us/album/and-then-like-lions/id1117080714
Amazon: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01GHYRI98/?tag=littlegreenfo-20

Set List:
“Umpqua Rushing”
“Packed Powder”
“Don’t Doubt”
“Joik #3”

Credits:
Producers: Stephen Thompson, Niki Walker; Audio Engineer: Neil Tevault; Videographers: Niki Walker, Morgan McCloy, Nicole Boliaux; Production Assistant: Jenny Gathright; Photo: Claire Harbage/NPR.

For more Tiny Desk concerts, subscribe to our podcast: http://www.npr.org/podcasts/510292/tiny-desk-concerts-video

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349 comments
1
freetoken  Oct 28, 2016 • 9:26:45pm

Caught up on the USA network’s Falling Water, now through episode 3.

I kind of like the visuals; the videography plays a bit with surrealism, which is fine as long as it’s not overdone. The plot has kept me so far, and as long as it doesn’t turn into a shaggy dog story I think it will work well as a short series.

The story, from what I can make of it, is a bit, well, in the old days I think it would be called “subversive”.

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Anymouse  Oct 28, 2016 • 9:30:21pm

huffingtonpost.com

Roanoke, VA paper endorses Pat McCrory for reëlection in North Carolina, because NC’s HB-2 bill is sending and creating jobs in Virginia.

A fine example of editorial trolling… .

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whitebeach  Oct 28, 2016 • 9:30:23pm

Uh-oh.

Looks like tomorrow the FBI director will inform Congressional Republicans that Hillary Clinton received several emails from a Nigerian prince promising her amounts ranging from $60 million to $147 million for her cooperation.

It’s over, folks.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Oct 28, 2016 • 9:33:47pm

re: #2 Anymouse

That Newspaper deserves an award.

For what, I am not sure.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Oct 28, 2016 • 9:45:38pm

Tomorrow is National Cat Day!
Soon I’ll be back with my Petulant Persian Ozzie…

So, who are you again?
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ObserverArt  Oct 28, 2016 • 9:45:45pm

Great tunes…and another discovery due to Tiny Desk Concerts. Thanks Charles. That was a great way to wrap up a nice Friday night.

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Kragar  Oct 28, 2016 • 9:50:28pm
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electrotek  Oct 28, 2016 • 9:51:53pm

And asked if Christians have to condemn all of the violent acts committed by members of their religion, Chandler said he’s happy to condemn “so-called Christians who are bombing abortion clinics,” but that the Christian faith “does tend to police their own” while he said Islam does not.
“The Muslim faith is pushing the agenda,” he said. “Go to Detroit… They want Sharia law.”

lolwut

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Joe Bacon  Oct 28, 2016 • 9:52:05pm

It’s one of those days when I had to just drown my sorrows in opening a bag of these incredible morsels!

bartsbakery.com

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Anymouse  Oct 28, 2016 • 9:53:27pm

re: #8 electrotek

Denying Muslims and Clinton supporters their constitutional rights - sounds like a job for the ACLU… .

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electrotek  Oct 28, 2016 • 9:54:29pm

re: #10 Anymouse

Denying Muslims and Clinton supporters their constitutional rights - sounds like a job for the ACLU… .

There was one gun shop in TX that did the same thing…only to back down when the state got involved, oddly enough.

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Anymouse  Oct 28, 2016 • 9:55:22pm

Equal access laws … someone wants to take action, that particular gun shop owner would be out of business.

The gun shop owner in my village is not paranoid about Clinton supporters … he will sell me ammunition (I don’t need another gun, though he keeps trying to sell me as many as he can)

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Eclectic Cyborg  Oct 28, 2016 • 10:00:08pm

Who is Chris Cilliza and why should I care?

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Anymouse  Oct 28, 2016 • 10:03:19pm

re: #13 Eclectic Cyborg

Who is Chris Cilliza and why should I care?

He is a political blogger for the Washington Post. He also wrote a book on politics.

en.wikipedia.org

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Joe Bacon  Oct 28, 2016 • 10:04:12pm

re: #8 electrotek

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lolwut

I was born and raised in Western Pennsylvania. I’m just amazed that only one gun shop there is doing that…

I remember back in 1980 when plenty of gun stores had posters from the NRA saying Jimmy Carter was going to take everyone’s guns away…

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austin_blue  Oct 28, 2016 • 10:06:29pm

Sleep time for me. Night all.

Why is it that I can’t get a real meal when nothing burgers are the only thing on the political menu?

Sad!

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Anymouse  Oct 28, 2016 • 10:07:34pm

re: #15 Joe Bacon

I was born and raised in Western Pennsylvania. I’m just amazed that only one gun shop there is doing that…

I remember back in 1980 when plenty of gun stores had posters from the NRA saying Jimmy Carter was going to take everyone’s guns away…

Yup. Every time there is a Democrat in the White House, the clarion call goes up for conservatives whether the person owns a gun or no. The idea is to drive voters to the poll, much like a Pavlovian response (see also anti-abortion laws, gay marriage, &c ad nauseum)

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Anymouse  Oct 28, 2016 • 10:17:52pm

huffingtonpost.com

Senator Tim Kaine: Democrats will nuke the filibuster on Supreme Court nominees if the GOP doesn’t stop obstructing.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Oct 28, 2016 • 10:17:55pm

Well I’ll be. I dead thread posted again.

*********

Anyone who is still in denial that it was Russian state actors who hacked the DNC and Posesta, hasn’t read this.

And if they are still in denial, they are Trump stooges.

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William Lewis  Oct 28, 2016 • 10:22:00pm

re: #18 Anymouse

huffingtonpost.com

Senator Tim Kaine: Democrats will nuke the filibuster on Supreme Court nominees if the GOP doesn’t stop obstructing.

They need to get rid of it period. Simple majority votes for everything.

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Targetpractice  Oct 28, 2016 • 10:22:39pm

So if you talk to anyone but the press, Comey fucked up something fierce today and the GOP looks desperate trying to spin his letter as evidence that Hillary is going to jail.

But if you talk to the press, they’ve got a hard-on that could dent steel because they think the horse race is back on and Hillary’s “on the defensive” again because the emails will surely change millions of votes in just 10 days.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Oct 28, 2016 • 10:22:49pm

re: #20 William Lewis

They need to get rid of period. Simple majority votes for everything.

Man the GOP would shit bricks if that happened.

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Anymouse  Oct 28, 2016 • 10:27:04pm

re: #20 William Lewis

They need to get rid of it period. Simple majority votes for everything.

I have no problem with a filibuster per se as it traditionally has given the minority time to make their case.

In that vein, I’m all in favour of actual speaking filibusters. None of this “pocket filibuster” crap.

CSPAN covering the Senate bringing in cots, take away Domino’s, &c.

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BigPapa  Oct 28, 2016 • 10:27:47pm
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freetoken  Oct 28, 2016 • 10:28:23pm

re: #22 Eclectic Cyborg

It cuts both ways, though. Remember, the Republicans have controlled the Senate under Obama for a great deal of the time, and Obama would have had to use his veto power more if the Dems in the Senate didn’t hold the GOP in check.

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Anymouse  Oct 28, 2016 • 10:28:25pm

re: #22 Eclectic Cyborg

Man the GOP would shit bricks if that happened.

Is that where all the gold from Fort Knox is hidden? /s

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Oct 28, 2016 • 10:28:59pm

re: #23 Anymouse

Yeah, I don’t want the filibuster to go away, as it may be the only way to hold up vicious Republican acts if they win. However, the pocket filibister needs to go, and it needs to be an honest to Allah, standing up for hours and talking filibuster.

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teleskiguy  Oct 28, 2016 • 10:29:13pm
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William Lewis  Oct 28, 2016 • 10:31:55pm

re: #25 freetoken

It cuts both ways, though. Remember, the Republicans have controlled the Senate under Obama for a great deal of the time, and Obama would have had to use his veto power more if the Dems in the Senate didn’t hold the GOP in check.

So? That is better than the current mess, IMO.

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Anymouse  Oct 28, 2016 • 10:35:23pm

re: #25 freetoken

It cuts both ways, though. Remember, the Republicans have controlled the Senate under Obama for a great deal of the time, and Obama would have had to use his veto power more if the Dems in the Senate didn’t hold the GOP in check.

I have no problem with both parties playing by the same rules (cuts both ways means a theoretical GOP president could face a majority Democratic Senate).

The GOP has filibustered President Obama more times than all other presidents put together with their pocket filibuster (tm).

The framers of the Constitution did not envision a group or party actively trying to oppose the function of the government.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Oct 28, 2016 • 10:35:57pm

re: #28 teleskiguy

I found it funny, but ever so slightly too crude to retweet.

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Poligeek  Oct 28, 2016 • 10:38:39pm

I highly recommend following Kurt Eichenwald on Twitter right now as he’s revealing some strife within the FBI due to Comey’s actions today. Here’s one tweet, but go there to read all of them.

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Anymouse  Oct 28, 2016 • 10:40:29pm

Video surfaces of Donald Trump humiliating Miss Australia 2004 (Jennifer Hawkins) on a stage in Sydney.

huffingtonpost.com

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Single-handed sailor  Oct 28, 2016 • 10:40:43pm

no comment…

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Targetpractice  Oct 28, 2016 • 10:41:10pm

re: #32 Poligeek

I highly recommend following Kurt Eichenwald on Twitter right now as he’s revealing some strife within the FBI due to Comey’s actions today. Here’s one tweet, but go there to read all of them.

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Comey has basically put the FBI in a very uncomfortable position right now. Whatever rationalization/excuse he makes for this move, he’s basically put his thumb on the scale for the GOP in the most public fashion possible. Whether he comes clean or the facts come out after the election, the fact is that he made statements that cannot be backed up by evidence. As a prosecutor, he should know that’s a massive faux pas.

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freetoken  Oct 28, 2016 • 10:41:16pm

re: #30 Anymouse

The Constitution doesn’t even envision political parties. The Senate was designed to give the states a lot of veto power, its original design as an anti-democratic mechanism. But that was the 18th century, and the people of that time didn’t have any experience of democracy outside their own little groups (e.g., those churches which elected leaders, or towns which elected leaders.)

Since they lived in a time of kingdoms and empires, it was not unreasonable of them to be highly suspicious of too much centralized power.

But they could never have envisioned the 21st century. One of our central problems is that too many Americans want 18th century solutions to 21st century problems.

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teleskiguy  Oct 28, 2016 • 10:42:02pm
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Anymouse  Oct 28, 2016 • 10:42:15pm

re: #34 Single-handed sailor

I’d rather work for The Company, but they won’t have me (no college degree).

I keep asking my wife to apply, but she always responds “How do you know I don’t already work for them? If I told you I’d have to kill you.” (::

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Eclectic Cyborg  Oct 28, 2016 • 10:44:04pm

re: #37 teleskiguy

Wow it’s scary how on point that is.

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Rightwingconspirator  Oct 28, 2016 • 10:45:15pm

That’s right dammit. I want my ration of gourds!

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Anymouse  Oct 28, 2016 • 10:50:20pm

re: #36 freetoken

The Constitution doesn’t even envision political parties. The Senate was designed to give the states a lot of veto power, its original design as an anti-democratic mechanism. But that was the 18th century, and the people of that time didn’t have any experience of democracy outside their own little groups (e.g., those churches which elected leaders, or towns which elected leaders.)

Since they lived in a time of kingdoms and empires, it was not unreasonable of them to be highly suspicious of too much centralized power.

But they could never have envisioned the 21st century. One of our central problems is that too many Americans want 18th century solutions to 21st century problems.

Nevertheless, the way selecting the President and Vice-President works (Constitution as amended by the XII Amendment) pretty much guarantees there will be two factions, which seems awfully tough to explain to third party voters (like my wife used to be, though she was actually an officer in the Libertarian Party of Colorado).

The more you divide up the electoral vote, the more likely no candidate reaches 270 votes. The election goes to the House, where each state gets one vote for President.

In a theoretical universe where Gov. Gary Johnson, Evan McMullin, and Dr. Jill Stein take votes away from Sec’y Clinton and Mr. Trump, the vote would be thrown to the overwhelmingly current GOP House.

Trump becomes President under that scenario.

Unless we change the Constitution to move to a parliamentary system, the Constitution is set up to produce two parties, even if parties are not explicitly mentioned.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Oct 28, 2016 • 10:52:59pm

re: #41 Anymouse

To get to a parliamentary system though, would require massive overall of the constitution.

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Targetpractice  Oct 28, 2016 • 10:57:07pm

Comey tried to please both sides and instead put himself between the proverbial rock and hard place. If he comes out and clarifies, the GOP will eat him alive. And if he refuses to clarify, he’ll shred the FBI’s public credibility. Either way, his career dissipation light just went into high gear.

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Anymouse  Oct 28, 2016 • 10:59:52pm

re: #42 Ziggy_TARDIS

To get to a parliamentary system though, would require massive overall of the constitution.

Yup, though maybe not so massive (nuke the electoral college, everyone elected by popular vote, President and VP selected by majority party coalition, actually not much writing to do there).

So until then, we get two parties. That is pretty much the system.

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teleskiguy  Oct 28, 2016 • 11:06:12pm
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Rightwingconspirator  Oct 28, 2016 • 11:07:20pm

re: #44 Anymouse

We have an outlier election in many ways, top o the list… Trump himself. I tend to think the existing system needs fixing not abandoning.

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Targetpractice  Oct 28, 2016 • 11:10:15pm
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Anymouse  Oct 28, 2016 • 11:16:55pm

re: #46 Rightwingconspirator

We have an outlier election in many ways, top o the list… Trump himself. I tend to think the existing system needs fixing not abandoning.

Well, the only fixes available I am aware of are:

en.wikipedia.org
The National Popular Vote Compact, a movement between both several large and small states to award all electoral votes in a state to the popular vote winner in the national election. (Amongst other things, this would force candidates to campaign in small population states like Wyoming or Nebraska as much as large states like New York or California.)

The compact has passed several state legislatures; it would become active when 270 electoral votes worth of states pass it.

Then there is forcing a constitutional convention. Problem there is you can change the constitution to do anything (for example, only allowing landowners to vote).

As for Mr. Trump, the GOP had a gazillion other candidates running against him in the primary. No GOP candidate would attack him until it was far too late, because they also wanted his voters. The problem here is the voting base of the GOP (Thanks, Reagan and Nixon). The only way to fix that would be to nuke the GOP so badly at the polls they are forced to change, and as long as they control so many statehouses that won’t happen.

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VegasGolfer  Oct 28, 2016 • 11:20:04pm

re: #8 electrotek

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lolwut

There’s a place here in Henderson Nv. called Davidson’s firearms who had a picture of Obama and called him employee of the month. Obviously because the gun nuts (white people) had to hord the guns because the black President is going to take them away from them.

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teleskiguy  Oct 28, 2016 • 11:24:34pm

re: #49 VegasGolfer

If I’m not mistaken visitors of Las Vegas have a few gun ranges to choose from where they can shoot full-auto and large caliber guns.

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goddamnedfrank  Oct 28, 2016 • 11:29:57pm

re: #49 VegasGolfer

There’s a place here in Henderson Nv. called Davidson’s firearms who had a picture of Obama and called him employee of the month. Obviously because the gun nuts (white people) had to hord the guns because the black President is going to take them away from them.

One of my four local in-town gun shops (five if you include the shop that only caters to LEOs, seven if you include the two kitchen table FFLs, yes Simi Valley is fucking nuts) has one of these joke props labeled the “Obama special.”

Derp dee doo!

Before that it was called the Clinton special, and I’m sure it will be again if she wins. It’s a nice little shop and the staff is helpful, but the owner, like pretty much all gun shop owners, is a goddamned wingnut.

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freetoken  Oct 28, 2016 • 11:32:40pm

Yet another Drumpfskindanhanger is the one messing with voting:

Three in Florida, Virginia charged with voter fraud

[…]

A man in Texas, where early voting started on Monday, was arrested on Monday on charges of electioneering and loitering near a polling place, public records show.

The man, Brett Mauthe, had been charged for showing up to vote in a Trump hat and T-shirt with the phrase “basket of deplorables,” a reference to a comment Clinton made disparaging her rivals’ supporters, election officials told media.

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Anymouse  Oct 28, 2016 • 11:34:49pm

re: #51 goddamnedfrank

Well, the gun shop owner here is very conservative and is certainly no fan of President Obama, but I wouldn’t call him a wingnut. (He’s the guy I beat in the last election by four votes for the village board, but he has since been appointed to fill a vacancy, primarily because he showed interest in the position by registering as a candidate. I nominated him.)

He doesn’t go around spreading derp about “Obama/Clinton/Democrats/Marxists are coming to take your gunz.”

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Anymouse  Oct 28, 2016 • 11:36:26pm
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Anymouse  Oct 28, 2016 • 11:41:00pm

Well, here’s one for you Twitterati to block with extreme prejudice.

jXdr0jWVE1a09dpMwUlNZZC6dPfJCix4iQwT+lUJLA2P3D2ShGY4EtgeeeDXzD2/RES8y4O42kciLmOVNqWm3IFJm7l461UiC2td3advp63Ggcdu2hrFbpKJOdIcY6+PJRqUnU2J+8A93cH4C/MzyZ/YsRNnx2HJSa8bCNISnnGuV9w1NzoViw==

The memes and retweets on this woman’s Twitter timeline are awful.

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Targetpractice  Oct 28, 2016 • 11:42:14pm

So I figure we can guess what the discussion topic for the Sunday Funnies will be. The question is who wins the Grand Prize for the dumbest possible argument for why this non-troversy should be THE thing that finally brings Hillary down.

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Anymouse  Oct 28, 2016 • 11:42:41pm
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teleskiguy  Oct 28, 2016 • 11:43:28pm

I have to give credit to Kragar for pointing this tune out. It’d been *years* since the last time I heard this tune. I now think this is probably the *quintessential* Nine Inch Nails tune. From the “Natural Born Killers” soundtrack.

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Kragar  Oct 28, 2016 • 11:47:40pm
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Dr Lizardo  Oct 28, 2016 • 11:48:49pm

re: #59 Kragar

In the minds of Trump’s voters, absolutely. They’ll whine that the press didn’t follow up on it, or that Obama had it suppressed or some such twaddle.

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Targetpractice  Oct 28, 2016 • 11:49:13pm

re: #60 Dr Lizardo

In the minds of Trump’s voters, absolutely. They’ll whine that the press didn’t follow up on it, or that Obama had it suppressed or some such twaddle.

“HILLARY GOT HIM!!!!”

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Kragar  Oct 28, 2016 • 11:52:21pm

re: #58 teleskiguy

Burn is probably my favorite NIN song, followed closely by

Nine Inch Nails - Survivalism

I got my propaganda
I got revisionism
I got my violence
In hi-def ultra-realism
All a part of this great nation
I got my fist
I got my plan
I got survivalism

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VegasGolfer  Oct 29, 2016 • 12:04:00am

re: #50 teleskiguy

If I’m not mistaken visitors of Las Vegas have a few gun ranges to choose from where they can shoot full-auto and large caliber guns.

Yes, thats where you go if you’re a total loser who cant get laid.

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Targetpractice  Oct 29, 2016 • 12:10:05am

So according to Comey’s letter, the emails found during the Weiner investigation were seen as “pertinent” to the Clinton server investigation and thus he needed to inform Congress.

Except now the FBI sources are saying that the emails were Huma’s, and they were neither addressed to or received from Hillary. Which would seem to mean that they have nothing to do with her or her server.

In which case, is this now a “six degrees of separation” argument? Anything remotely connected to a friend or colleague of Hillary is now grounds for unearthing the casket of “Emailgate” every few months? Is this our preview of the next 4-8 years?

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Apocalypse  Oct 29, 2016 • 12:37:07am

re: #8 electrotek

Even with all those guns, they don’t feel safe.

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Anymouse  Oct 29, 2016 • 12:39:03am

re: #64 Targetpractice

So according to Comey’s letter, the emails found during the Weiner investigation were seen as “pertinent” to the Clinton server investigation and thus he needed to inform Congress.

Except now the FBI sources are saying that the emails were Huma’s, and they were neither addressed to or received from Hillary. Which would seem to mean that they have nothing to do with her or her server.

In which case, is this now a “six degrees of separation” argument? Anything remotely connected to a friend or colleague of Hillary is now grounds for unearthing the casket of “Emailgate” every few months? Is this our preview of the next 4-8 years?

Next they’ll be coming after Clinton voters, because saved E-mails might show something.

I’m going to troll my county prosecutor at the next village board meeting again over private E-mail servers, since I use one. (There is no state law against it, and the village does not provide E-mail service anyway.) He rolls his eyes every time I bring that up. (He is a Republican who also serves as our village attorney, and is quite disgusted himself with all the E-mail nonsense his party is spending so much time and money on. He is the sort of fellow who is a reasonable Republican, which is why he won’t get past county prosecutor in the current GOP.)

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teleskiguy  Oct 29, 2016 • 12:51:28am
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Anymouse  Oct 29, 2016 • 1:29:08am

huffingtonpost.com

Dakota Access Pipeline protesters claim man who was shot was actually a company instigator rather than a protester.

On top of that, the sheriff’s department there retracted its statement and said that the man was actually not shot.

Documents found in the man’s Chevy Silverado pickup suggest he was a Dakota Access Pipeline security guard in a company-owned truck, the Standing Rock Sioux statement said. The tribe posted photos of insurance papers linking the vehicle to the pipeline. Mother Jones reported there was an employee ID badge in the pickup. Protesters later set the vehicle on fire, according to Mother Jones.

In case you’re looking for news other than Trumpsterfire …

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Oct 29, 2016 • 1:42:22am

(too depressed about the fbi hillary thing to think about it)

so this jazz movie ‘whiplash’, its attitude towards jazz is really weird, almost more like it was about jazz as football or something

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Anymouse  Oct 29, 2016 • 1:55:33am

huffingtonpost.com

Office of the Comptroller of Currency says that an employee who retired stole a large number of files in what it termed a major incident. The incident occurred in 2015.

OCC says the files were encrypted, and so far has not been released to any sort of criminal Website or other source.

Shane Shook, an independent cyber crime expert who helps governments and financial institutions respond to breaches, said that he was not particularly concerned about the loss of the data, which OMB regulations require the OCC to report to the public, regardless of impact.

“This happens quite a lot,” he said. [Really? WTF?] “The risk would be if the information somehow gets released to unauthorized sources” such as WikeLeaks [sic] or another website where stolen data is posted.

He said that in many case employees or consultants who report missing thumb drives with sensitive data on them eventually end up finding them.

Representatives with the Department of Homeland Security and FBI said they had no immediate comment.

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EPR-radar  Oct 29, 2016 • 1:57:50am

re: #64 Targetpractice

So according to Comey’s letter, the emails found during the Weiner investigation were seen as “pertinent” to the Clinton server investigation and thus he needed to inform Congress.

Except now the FBI sources are saying that the emails were Huma’s, and they were neither addressed to or received from Hillary. Which would seem to mean that they have nothing to do with her or her server.

In which case, is this now a “six degrees of separation” argument? Anything remotely connected to a friend or colleague of Hillary is now grounds for unearthing the casket of “Emailgate” every few months? Is this our preview of the next 4-8 years?

It’s homeopathic 30x diluted GOP bullshit.

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Anymouse  Oct 29, 2016 • 1:59:49am

re: #71 EPR-radar

It’s homeopathic 30x diluted GOP bullshit.

They really haven’t gotten over the Nixon investigation yet, have they?

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EPR-radar  Oct 29, 2016 • 2:02:54am

re: #72 Anymouse

They really haven’t gotten over the Nixon investigation yet, have they?

Republicans have certainly ensured that Watergate can never happen again. A GOP president could commit all manner of high crimes, boast about it on live TV, and have zero GOP votes for impeachment or conviction.

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Jayleia  Oct 29, 2016 • 2:04:04am

re: #72 Anymouse

They really haven’t gotten over the Nixon investigation yet, have they?

“The past is never dead. It’s not even past.”

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goddamnedfrank  Oct 29, 2016 • 2:07:21am
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Anymouse  Oct 29, 2016 • 2:08:41am

re: #73 EPR-radar

Republicans have certainly ensured that Watergate can never happen again. A GOP president could commit all manner of high crimes, boast about it on live TV, and have zero GOP votes for impeachment or conviction.

See also: Shoot a man on Fifth Avenue and lose no voters, pussygrabbing audio, rape lawsuit of a thirteen year old girl, criminal trial for racketeering with a scam university, discrimination conviction in housing rentals, and none of that is sufficient to cause Republicans to say “I won’t vote for this man” (even if they can’t bring themselves to vote for Hillary), with certain exceptions like Ben Sasse (now in the wilderness of the party for failing to support the nominee).

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Targetpractice  Oct 29, 2016 • 2:08:59am

re: #75 goddamnedfrank

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Tofu Palin once again demonstrating her rock-solid grip on the facts.

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Single-handed sailor  Oct 29, 2016 • 2:11:18am

When I get before St Peter I’m just gonna say, “Don’t blame me, I’m Canadian.”

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Anymouse  Oct 29, 2016 • 2:11:47am

re: #77 Targetpractice

Tofu Palin once again demonstrating her rock-solid grip on the facts.

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Technically she is right, the ACA doesn’t provide healthcare, clinics and hospitals do.

That said, I doubt that’s how she meant it. Moreover, Dr. Millionaire probably doesn’t have to worry about those on the margins of income, veterans like me facing further destruction of the VA, &c.

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Anymouse  Oct 29, 2016 • 2:21:37am

bbc.com

(With video)

Hillary Clinton has urged the FBI to explain without delay why it is carrying out a new investigation into her use of emails.

Americans “deserve to get the full and complete facts immediately,” she said.

The FBI says it has new emails linked to her use of a private server when she was secretary of state.

Republican presidential rival Donald Trump said the move, announced 11 days before the election, was the “biggest political scandal since Watergate”.

The latest emails were discovered as part of a separate investigation into the estranged husband of top Clinton aide, Huma Abedin.

More at the BBC.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Oct 29, 2016 • 2:25:06am

re: #69 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

(too depressed about the fbi hillary thing to think about it)

so this jazz movie ‘whiplash’, its attitude towards jazz is really weird, almost more like it was about jazz as football or something

I think it’s based on a real life teacher, who was a real hardass band teacher. It’s one of the movies still on my “to watch” list.

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Oct 29, 2016 • 2:34:01am

re: #81 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

I think it’s based on a real life teacher, who was a real hardass band teacher. It’s one of the movies still on my “to watch” list.

as a movie it’s pretty good, and it’s true conductors are notoriously mean

but music, however exacting, is not olympic gymnastics

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William Lewis  Oct 29, 2016 • 2:50:21am

re: #82 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

but music, however exacting, is not olympic gymnastics

I read a little bit about it and wasn’t very interested by it. Just didn’t sound anything like the really good jazz musicians I’ve known. They aren’t untrained like me- to get there they’re going to have the musical theory and improv chops to handle the material in the movie.

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Single-handed sailor  Oct 29, 2016 • 3:23:41am

We’ve had the first 2.50” of rain of the season (The rain season starts on July 1st and ends June 31st (California rain season is weird because it doesn’t rain in summer here)) fall in the past 14 days here in our part of the East Bay. Rain always causes phone line problems here. (Psst AT&T/U-verse, can you hear me now?) I’ve lived here 22 years and the phone/Internet line has gone out close to 100 times. I live less than 50 miles from silicon valley which makes it rather ironic. Download speeds are holding steady (at the cap) but upload speeds have fallen by 25%. The “phone line” is now digital so I can’t hear static on the line like the old analog days. Am I rambling? I got into the cheap Bacardi rum… I’m probably going to have a hangover in the afternoon.

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Decatur Deb  Oct 29, 2016 • 4:17:31am

WOO-OO!1!!1!

The Trump-Pence campaign is sending a bus through our county!! And it’s going to stop. For an hour. And nobody’s going to be on it.

dothaneagle.com

Shame I’ll be in Florida today.

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Nyet  Oct 29, 2016 • 4:18:57am
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Brian J.  Oct 29, 2016 • 4:24:31am

re: #35 Targetpractice

Comey has basically put the FBI in a very uncomfortable position right now. Whatever rationalization/excuse he makes for this move, he’s basically put his thumb on the scale for the GOP in the most public fashion possible. Whether he comes clean or the facts come out after the election, the fact is that he made statements that cannot be backed up by evidence. As a prosecutor, he should know that’s a massive faux pas.

This could cripple the FBI, and even damage our criminal justice system more generally, for years to come. How many defense lawyers are now preparing new defenses for their clients who have had forensic evidence pass through the FBI’s labs, on the grounds that the FBI is too partisan/ biased/ riven by internal disputes/ just plain incompetent to handle said evidence?

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Nyet  Oct 29, 2016 • 4:32:50am
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b.d.  Oct 29, 2016 • 4:50:11am

Good morning lizards

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Nyet  Oct 29, 2016 • 5:00:14am

re: #90 b.d.

They didn’t find anything serious in tens of thousands of emails, how high is the probability they will find anything in a few hundred? (Esp. as those have prolly been checked already)

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Targetpractice  Oct 29, 2016 • 5:02:50am

re: #86 Nyet

Washington Post & NY Times take Comey to task

The President needs to publicly call Comey on the carpet and demand he explain himself. No “we can’t talk about ongoing investigations” because you already did, no “we don’t have all the facts” because that didn’t stop you from telling Congress about the emails, and no “it’s too early to tell” because you made the conclusion without looking at the emails that they were relevant to the investigation. So either he explains why he felt the need to make the call without all the facts or he tenders his resignation effective immediately.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Oct 29, 2016 • 5:07:26am

I just watched Star Wars VII: The Force Awakens again. It’s still damned good. Boyega and Ridley are terrific in their roles.

That is all.

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Nyet  Oct 29, 2016 • 5:09:23am

re: #93 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Abrams is da shit!

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Alyosha  Oct 29, 2016 • 5:13:34am

:’)

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Barefoot Grin  Oct 29, 2016 • 5:17:13am

Because of LGF now whenever I see a post from WaPo reporter Jenna Johnson I’m immediately going to be thinking “retired pornstar.”

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Oct 29, 2016 • 5:22:37am

re: #95 Nyet

Abrams is da shit!

It compares very well with Episode IV, and even though the plot is very, very similar, it does an excellent job of weaving the original story and characters into a new story. There’s the added mystery of Rey and her back story.

I consider any movie I can watch more than once and still be glued to my seat an excellent film. Two thumbs up!

Rogue One shows promise, as well.

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Eventual Carrion  Oct 29, 2016 • 5:28:43am

re: #8 electrotek

[Embedded content]

lolwut

Welcome to my part of the world. That gun shop is about 20 minutes from where I live.

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b.d.  Oct 29, 2016 • 5:37:57am

This is a good synopsis


One thing is perfectly clear, after HRC wins she needs to drain the swamp and put Dems in spots where they needed to be all along.
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dangerman  Oct 29, 2016 • 5:39:50am

Fox News viewers really do see the world differently

Because more accurately fox news viewers are trained to see the world differently

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b.d.  Oct 29, 2016 • 5:40:30am

re: #99 Eventual Carrion

Welcome to my part of the world. That gun shop is about 20 minutes from where I live.

I have a gun shop like that near me. For years the employee’s vehicles were parked out front with soaped windows that read how Obama was going to take your guns so you better buy now, etc., etc….

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Oct 29, 2016 • 5:44:42am

re: #101 dangerman

Fox News viewers really do see the world differently

Because more accurately fox news viewers are trained to see the world differently

Danger, Will Robinson, danger! The link is missing a :

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dangerman  Oct 29, 2016 • 5:50:44am

re: #103 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Danger, Will Robinson, danger! The link is missing a :

Crapity-crap

Fixed I think

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Jayleia  Oct 29, 2016 • 5:54:15am

re: #100 b.d.

Can you give us a synopsis of the synopsis for those of us locked out of wapo for another 3 days?

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jeffreyw  Oct 29, 2016 • 6:01:16am

Imgur


Good morning!

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b.d.  Oct 29, 2016 • 6:01:26am

re: #105 Jayleia

Can you give us a synopsis of the synopsis for those of us locked out of wapo for another 3 days?

**Comey’s language is maddeningly opaque and cryptic.
But Comey’s own declaration that the new emails “appear to be pertinent” suggests that they are significant. Comey surely knew that news organizations would conclude as much, which is what they are now doing, with screaming headlines and with analysis claiming this could impact the presidential race.

Perversely, we are being told by news outlets that the new info may not be substantively significant, but it may be politically significant, which, you’d think, is an outcome Comey would have wanted to avoid.

**Comey’s latest justification requires more explanation
Comey had to know that releasing such a vaguely worded letter to lawmakers at this time would allow Republicans to argue that new evidence of Clinton’s criminality has been discovered. This is of course exactly what has happened. This risks “misleading” the American people, which Comey’s latest justification claims he wanted to avoid…

**We don’t know whether Clinton sent any of these emails.
the FBI may now be looking at whether Abedin improperly handled emails with classified info in them

via Greg Sargent
washingtonpost.com

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 29, 2016 • 6:02:28am

re: #89 Nyet

The bullshit asymmetry principle

This is just a corollary to “A lie can make it halfway around the world while the truth is still putting its pants on.”

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HappyWarrior  Oct 29, 2016 • 6:02:54am

Blind Pilot is good. I saw them play last month as a matter of fact.

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Jayleia  Oct 29, 2016 • 6:04:34am

re: #107 b.d.

So, at the very best, he’s well-meaning, but utterly tone-deaf, and at worst, he’s a conniving sleazeball.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Oct 29, 2016 • 6:04:35am

re: #105 Jayleia

Can you give us a synopsis of the synopsis for those of us locked out of wapo for another 3 days?

Comey fucked up.

Somewhat longer synopsis: There are so many ifs and buts regarding the emails that Comey jumped the gun in commenting on them. Even he admits there are so many questions about the emails that it deserves further investigation. Given that admission, his judgment in telling the committee about the emails is questionable, and the nature of the release suggests a deliberate attempt to influence the election, even if that was not his intent. We don’t know if Clinton sent any of the emails. Some may be duplicates of emails already divulged. And Comey has fucked up so bad, that everyone wants a piece of his hide.

… And by the way, the Trump campaign and the Clinton campaigns are both demanding to know more information about what Comey found, as is Judicial Watch, the conservative legal organization that has long pursued the Clintons. So this isn’t a partisan demand.

This is an absurd mess. Comey should do whatever he can to clean it up as quickly as possible. Unfortunately, if the FBI cannot get immediate access to the emails, he may not be able to. Which calls into question the original decision to release such a vaguely worded letter in the first place. Even if it was in some ways understandable, the current outcome it has produced surely is not.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 29, 2016 • 6:06:42am

re: #101 dangerman

Fox News viewers really do see the world differently

Because more accurately fox news viewers are trained to see the world differently

It’s a propaganda station pure and simple.

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b.d.  Oct 29, 2016 • 6:07:19am

re: #110 Jayleia

So, at the very best, he’s well-meaning, but utterly tone-deaf, and at worst, he’s a conniving sleazeball.

I agree with the people that say that he did this because he was scared of the wingnut outrage if he followed the law and kept his mouth shut.

Working the refs worked.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Oct 29, 2016 • 6:13:06am

re: #112 HappyWarrior

It’s a propaganda station pure and simple.

The difference between my view of the world and that of my pro-Trump relatives and friends is stark. Where I see a USA that’s doing well domestically and internationally, they see a dying republic beset at all sides by sinister forces. Yet, they go through their days normally as before. The TV still works. Radio. Internet. Power grid. Phones. The supermarkets are stocked. Gasoline is around $2 a gallon and there’s ample supply. People go to church without incident. They still have their guns.

I know plenty of places in the world which are in much dire situations. The USA is still a paradise by comparison.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 29, 2016 • 6:18:04am

re: #114 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

The difference between my view of the world and that of my pro-Trump relatives and friends is stark. Where I see a USA that’s doing well domestically and internationally, they see a dying republic beset at all sides by sinister forces. Yet, they go through their days normally as before. The TV still works. Radio. Internet. Power grid. Phones. The supermarkets are stocked. Gasoline is around $2 a gallon and there’s ample supply. People go to church without incident. They still have their guns.

I know plenty of places in the world which are in much dire situations. The USA is still a paradise by comparison.

Exactly. They’re convinced Obama has ruined our country and we’re in decline but their daily life hasn’t gotten worse under him. I was listening to NPR yesterday and hearing a bunch of Trump supporters talk about how they want their freedoms back. I wish someone would ask them what that means and if they say something like how gay marriage is legal now, explain nicely that same sex marriage being legal isn’t a loss of freedom for them and that they still have their guns.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 29, 2016 • 6:20:15am

It’s simple. You tell people repeatedly that Democrats/liberals hate your religion, want your guns, are crooked, that the GOP are the noble knights fighting to protect liberty, etc, you believe it. It’s sad seeing otherwise intelligent people fall for right wing bs.

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FormerDirtDart  Oct 29, 2016 • 6:21:33am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 29, 2016 • 6:25:08am

re: #115 HappyWarrior

Exactly. They’re convinced Obama has ruined our country and we’re in decline but their daily life hasn’t gotten worse under him. I was listening to NPR yesterday and hearing a bunch of Trump supporters talk about how they want their freedoms back. I wish someone would ask them what that means and if they say something like how gay marriage is legal now, explain nicely that same sex marriage being legal isn’t a loss of freedom for them and that they still have their guns.

Now some of it lies in the fact that although the economic recovery has occurred in the cities and populated areas, a lot of rural areas are nearly as bad off as they were in 2008

And as in West Virginia, where coal mining is in decline due to a number of factors, blame is laid at Obama’s doorstep for “over-regulation”. Even after an under-regulated coal company produces a toxic spill that poisons drinking water for 300,000 residents…

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HappyWarrior  Oct 29, 2016 • 6:30:36am

re: #118 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Now some of it lies in the fact that although the economic recovery has occurred in the cities and populated areas, a lot of rural areas are nearly as bad off as they were in 2008

And as in West Virginia, where coal mining is in decline due to a number of factors, blame is laid at Obama’s doorstep for “over-regulation”. Even after an under-regulated coal company produces a toxic spill that poisons drinking water for 300,000 residents…

That is true. There are parts of the country still struggling. I don’t blame these people for being frustrated but the targets of their frustration are the wrong ones as is seeing Trump as a savior.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 29, 2016 • 6:31:39am

re: #119 HappyWarrior

That is true. There are parts of the country still struggling. I don’t blame these people for being frustrated but the targets of their frustration are the wrong ones as is seeing Trump as a savior.

Of course; these are first and foremost protest votes. these people hate the GOP nearly as much as they hate the Democrats and are supporting DT to spite both.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Oct 29, 2016 • 6:32:52am

re: #119 HappyWarrior

That is true. There are parts of the country still struggling. I don’t blame these people for being frustrated but the targets of their frustration are the wrong ones as is seeing Trump as a savior.

What gets me are the people living in fairly prosperous areas, who have a pretty good life, and who still believe that the USA is in the crapper.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 29, 2016 • 6:33:46am

re: #121 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

What gets me are the people living in fairly prosperous areas, who have a pretty good life, and who still believe that the USA is in the crapper.

Because their subjective sense of security has been undermined from the news channel they are all watching…

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HappyWarrior  Oct 29, 2016 • 6:34:02am

re: #120 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Of course; these are first and foremost protest votes. these people hate the GOP nearly as much as they hate the Democrats and are supporting DT to spite both.

That is true as well. I feel bad for them which is why I like Clinton!s idea to invest more in communities that lost jobs.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 29, 2016 • 6:35:55am

re: #123 HappyWarrior

That is true as well. I feel bad for them which is why I like Clinton!s idea to invest more in communities that lost jobs.

but that does not mean bringing back jobs in dead industries, it means investment in education and training…

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Oct 29, 2016 • 6:37:32am

re: #122 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Because their subjective sense of security has been undermined from the news channel they are all watching…

I know. I don’t know about you, but I’ve come across American expats here who say they fled the country when Obama was elected, because they said he was destroying the USA. And they came to China, where they have even less freedom than in the USA!

I don’t know how to even begin reasoning with people like that.

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Belafon  Oct 29, 2016 • 6:38:44am

re: #124 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

but that does not mean bringing back jobs in dead industries, it means investment in education and training…

As she said to the coal miners, they would get trained in green energy jobs.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 29, 2016 • 6:38:54am

re: #124 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

but that does not mean bringing back jobs in dead industries, it means investment in education and training…

Precisely. Coal mining was on the decline in my grandparents hometown. That’s part of why they left. It happens. And I know it’s gotta be tough for multigenerational coal miners to find that out but industry comes and goes. Steel mills brought decline to iron works for example.

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Belafon  Oct 29, 2016 • 6:39:23am

re: #7 Kragar

The door of the woman who voted twice:

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 29, 2016 • 6:43:49am

re: #126 Belafon

As she said to the coal miners, they would get trained in green energy jobs.

Green energy and environmentalism in the minds of many in WVa means living in lean-tos and wiping our butts with leaves. They fail to understand that it means investing in cutting-edge technology and not subsidizing 19th-century dinosaurs.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 29, 2016 • 6:45:45am

re: #129 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Green energy and environmentalism in the minds of many in WVa means living in lean-tos and wiping our butts with leaves. They fail to understand that it means investing in cutting-edge technology and not subsidizing 19th-century dinosaurs.

That also is an argument for education as well. Honestly, the tragedy is that many of the areas that vote Republican the highest are by areas that won’t be helped at all by Republican policies. Republican policies are designed to benefit the extremely wealthy.

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Belafon  Oct 29, 2016 • 6:46:39am

I went over to Daily Kos to read the APR, and this ad showed up at the top:

“Checking on the counter tops of liberals all across America.”

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Belafon  Oct 29, 2016 • 6:47:19am

re: #130 HappyWarrior

That also is an argument for education as well. Honestly, the tragedy is that many of the areas that vote Republican the highest are by areas that won’t be helped at all by Republican policies. Republican policies are designed to benefit the extremely wealthy.

The poorest states are run by conservatives, which are Republican now.

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Emptor scriptor Remorse  Oct 29, 2016 • 6:47:35am

re: #107 b.d.

They may be pertinent because a different group of FBI agents have handled these “new” emails. How many higher level FBI agents who are gunning for his job have read them? His hand may have been forced.

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Eventual Carrion  Oct 29, 2016 • 6:48:50am

re: #128 Belafon

The door of the woman who voted twice:

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“Lock her up” sticker on the front door of a person who has, actually, broken the law. Irony or idiocy? You decide.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 29, 2016 • 6:50:33am

re: #132 Belafon

The poorest states are run by conservatives, which are Republican now.

Yep but even within blue and purple states, the poorest areas are often by Republicans. That’s what made the now infamous Romney 47% statement so amazing. While he was losing here in NOVA by a bigger margin than he was statewide, he was winning in the poorest part of the state overwhelmingly.

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Nyet  Oct 29, 2016 • 6:53:12am

re: #117 FormerDirtDart

Then again, maybe it’s London.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 29, 2016 • 6:53:20am

re: #118 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Now some of it lies in the fact that although the economic recovery has occurred in the cities and populated areas, a lot of rural areas are nearly as bad off as they were in 2008

And as in West Virginia, where coal mining is in decline due to a number of factors, blame is laid at Obama’s doorstep for “over-regulation”. Even after an under-regulated coal company produces a toxic spill that poisons drinking water for 300,000 residents…

And 29 miners die in a mine explosion because the company deliberately ignored safety regulations that would have prevented said explosion.

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Emptor scriptor Remorse  Oct 29, 2016 • 6:53:57am

Will Huma fall on her sword?

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Belafon  Oct 29, 2016 • 6:54:35am

re: #135 HappyWarrior

Yep but even within blue and purple states, the poorest areas are often by Republicans. That’s what made the now infamous Romney 47% statement so amazing. While he was losing here in NOVA by a bigger margin than he was statewide, he was winning in the poorest part of the state overwhelmingly.

And even in red states like Texas. Dallas/Houston/San Antonio/Austin pay for most of the rest of the state (not all, I know how much money the north and east part of the DFW suburbs make), and are run by Democratic mayors.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Oct 29, 2016 • 6:56:32am

re: #136 Nyet

Then again, maybe it’s London.

Cars are parked pointing the wrong way to be London. (Or Kabul?)

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Belafon  Oct 29, 2016 • 6:57:02am

re: #138 Emptor scriptor Remorse

Will Huma fall on her sword?

Doubt it.

I suspect 90%+ of those emails have already been seen by the FBI. The rest are bitching about Anthony’s actions.

That whole thing really is Republicans setting up six degrees of Hillary Clinton, which every supporter she ever sent a mail to is now suddenly fair game for investigation.

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Nyet  Oct 29, 2016 • 6:57:17am

re: #140 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Cars are parked pointing the wrong way to be London. (Or Kabul?)

Well, that’s what some descriptions of the photo say anyway.

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FormerDirtDart  Oct 29, 2016 • 6:58:10am

re: #136 Nyet

Then again, maybe it’s London.

Not London, they’re driving on the wrong side of the street. And, image not reversed, as you can read times on parking sign.

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Belafon  Oct 29, 2016 • 6:58:15am

re: #136 Nyet

Then again, maybe it’s London.

It’s definitely not London, unless England changed their driving direction in the late 60s.

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Nyet  Oct 29, 2016 • 6:58:34am

re: #142 Nyet

A third version:

Three women in contemporary summer casual fashions walk along North Rodeo Drive in Beverly Hills street in the 1950s. The Amelia Gray store is visible across the street at the northeast corner of Brighton and Rodeo, and a Joseph shop is under contruction at the southeast corner of the intersection..

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Belafon  Oct 29, 2016 • 6:59:25am

re: #145 Nyet

A third version:

That one I could buy.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 29, 2016 • 6:59:28am

re: #139 Belafon

And even in red states like Texas. Dallas/Houston/San Antonio/Austin pay for most of the rest of the state (not all, I know how much money the north and east part of the DFW suburbs make), and are run by Democratic mayors.

Right.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 29, 2016 • 6:59:40am

re: #136 Nyet

Then again, maybe it’s London.

Los Angeles in the 1950s:
vintag.es

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Emptor scriptor Remorse  Oct 29, 2016 • 7:00:45am

re: #141 Belafon

From the NY Post

So if you believe Abedin, she didn’t know the private clintonemail.com server that hosted her huma@clintonemail.com account even existed until she heard about it in the news. Comey was a believer; he didn’t even bother to call her back for further questioning. Case closed.

But Abedin’s role in this caper begs for fresh scrutiny. Making false statements to a federal agent is a felony. So is mishandling classified information.

By forwarding classified emails to her personal email account and printing them out at home, Abedin appears to have violated a Classified Information NonDisclosure Agreement she signed at the State Department on Jan. 30, 2009, in which she agreed to keep all classified material under the control of the US government.

Let’s see if Comey puts the screws to Abedin and leverages her for information on her boss. If he agrees to cut another immunity deal, we’ll know the fix is still in.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Oct 29, 2016 • 7:01:05am

re: #145 Nyet

A third version:

The cars are all too old for it to be 1969 anyway. Could you park a ‘47 Studebaker on Rodeo Drive in 1969 without getting towed?

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Belafon  Oct 29, 2016 • 7:03:40am

re: #149 Emptor scriptor Remorse

From the NY Post

First, NYPost. Second, what information are they going to get? “Did Clinton send classified email on her server?” They know the answer because they can see the emails.

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makeitstop  Oct 29, 2016 • 7:05:44am

re: #62 Kragar

Burn is probably my favorite NIN song, followed closely by

[Embedded content]

Video

I got my propaganda
I got revisionism
I got my violence
In hi-def ultra-realism
All a part of this great nation
I got my fist
I got my plan
I got survivalism

Best verse in ‘Survivalism.’ Sums it all up.

You see your world on fire; don’t try to act surprised
We did just what you told us
Lost our faith along the way and found ourselves believing your lies

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Emptor scriptor Remorse  Oct 29, 2016 • 7:05:45am

re: #151 Belafon

Was the quote I pulled inaccurate?

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Weaselone  Oct 29, 2016 • 7:05:46am

re: #138 Emptor scriptor Remorse

Not likely. Even if that was Huma’s inclination, Hillary and the campaign would be unlikely to do so. Given the proximity to the election, if this was actually something serious (it’s not) the short term best strategy would be for Hillary to make a statement strongly supportive of Huma, while shifting the focus to her and away from Hillary herself.

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PhillyPretzel  Oct 29, 2016 • 7:06:28am

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 29, 2016 • 7:06:29am

re: #153 Emptor scriptor Remorse

Was the quote I pulled inaccurate?

pretty much

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Emptor scriptor Remorse  Oct 29, 2016 • 7:06:57am

re: #154 Weaselone

You don’t know how serious it is or not.

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Nyet  Oct 29, 2016 • 7:07:02am

re: #153 Emptor scriptor Remorse

Was the quote I pulled inaccurate?

What do you think?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 29, 2016 • 7:07:33am

re: #157 Emptor scriptor Remorse

You don’t know how serious it is or not.

LOLOLOLOL!!!!!!!!!!

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Emptor scriptor Remorse  Oct 29, 2016 • 7:08:20am

re: #158 Nyet

I asked the question. I got a response.

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Nyet  Oct 29, 2016 • 7:08:46am

re: #160 Emptor scriptor Remorse

I asked the question. I got a response.

I didn’t get a response.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 29, 2016 • 7:09:07am
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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Oct 29, 2016 • 7:09:07am

re: #117 FormerDirtDart

Here’s another FAIL from the same account. I think it’s trying to compete with the parody account now.

In 1932 Elizabeth was 6 and Margaret, 2.

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Emptor scriptor Remorse  Oct 29, 2016 • 7:09:10am

re: #161 Nyet

pretty much

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Weaselone  Oct 29, 2016 • 7:11:36am

re: #149 Emptor scriptor Remorse

Opinion column by someone who worked as the Washignton bureau chief for Investors Business Daily and WorldNetDaily. Pull the other leg.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Oct 29, 2016 • 7:12:49am

Until George W. Bush, Colin Powell, and Condoleezza Rice are busting rocks in Leavenworth for their email “crimes” I don’t want to hear any more bullshit about Hillary Clinton following current practice. OK FBI? OK “News” media?

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Belafon  Oct 29, 2016 • 7:14:23am

re: #157 Emptor scriptor Remorse

You don’t know how serious it is or not.

We know exactly how serious it is because they have the emails. Anything Huma sent to Hillary is recorded on Hillary’s server. Anything else has nothing to do with Clinton.

Plus, I’ll tell you this, having worked in an industry that works in classified information: You don’t just select attach to email something that is classified. They put an “air gap” between those machines and the internet, meaning there is no physical connection between the two. To attach information, it has to be physically moved, and they have to go through a number of procedures to be allowed to do that (and that was before Snowden).

So, we already know how serious this is, and it isn’t.

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FormerDirtDart  Oct 29, 2016 • 7:15:12am

Ouch

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Weaselone  Oct 29, 2016 • 7:16:53am

re: #157 Emptor scriptor Remorse

We have a good inkling that it isn’t very serious, at least as it regards Hillary. It could be serious for Huma if she was receiving classified messages from other sources.

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makeitstop  Oct 29, 2016 • 7:18:44am

re: #133 Emptor scriptor Remorse

They may be pertinent because a different group of FBI agents have handled these “new” emails. How many higher level FBI agents who are gunning for his job have read them? His hand may have been forced.

There’s apparently a turf war going on in the FBI. Ziggy Tardis posted a tweetstorm in the last thread about a guy overhearing an FBI agent on the phone while waiting for a flight to take off.

The questions are, who is on which side and what are they fighting over?

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Emptor scriptor Remorse  Oct 29, 2016 • 7:20:12am

re: #169 Weaselone

I think it is a Hollywood script they are following. Luckily, George R. R. Martin isn’t writing it.

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Nyet  Oct 29, 2016 • 7:20:24am

re: #168 FormerDirtDart

Mixed feelings.

Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Egypt, China, Brazil, Rwanda, Hungary, Cuba, South Africa, Japan, Tunisia, the U.S. and U.K. also won seats on the council.

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Belafon  Oct 29, 2016 • 7:21:57am

re: #170 makeitstop

There’s apparently a turf war going on in the FBI. Ziggy Tardis posted a tweetstorm in the last thread about a guy overhearing an FBI agent on the phone while waiting for a flight to take off.

The questions are, who is on which side and what are they fighting over?

It sounds exactly like the war the Bush Administration was hoping to create, by burying so many of it’s political operatives in career positions in many departments. But, from what I’m seeing, it’s mainly Comey (plus congressional Republicans) against the career agents.

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makeitstop  Oct 29, 2016 • 7:22:31am

re: #148 Backwoods_Sleuth

Los Angeles in the 1950s:
vintag.es

Is it a little weird that a Life photographer is stalking those women with a camera, or is it me?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 29, 2016 • 7:24:10am

re: #174 makeitstop

Is it a little weird that a Life photographer is stalking those women with a camera, or is it me?

My guess is that it was a planned photo shoot.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 29, 2016 • 7:24:26am

re: #172 Nyet

Mixed feelings.

Yeah. Hungary is interesting after reading about how the Romani people are treated by the government there. China and Saudi Arabia, I don’t think need an explanation.

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Emptor scriptor Remorse  Oct 29, 2016 • 7:24:32am
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Nyet  Oct 29, 2016 • 7:25:19am

re: #174 makeitstop

Probably sort-of-staged.

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makeitstop  Oct 29, 2016 • 7:25:26am

re: #175 Backwoods_Sleuth

My guess is that it was a planned photo shoot.

You’re probably right. Still a little creepy, though.

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Nyet  Oct 29, 2016 • 7:25:51am

re: #176 HappyWarrior

Cuba, Egypt also.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 29, 2016 • 7:26:51am

Speaking of old photos.

These are two of my great aunts looking very much like flappers in the early 30’s.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 29, 2016 • 7:27:08am

re: #180 Nyet

Cuba, Egypt also.

Yes them too.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 29, 2016 • 7:27:16am

good grief…the delusion continues:

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Nyet  Oct 29, 2016 • 7:28:33am

re: #183 Backwoods_Sleuth

Translation: it’s all downhill from here.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 29, 2016 • 7:29:25am
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FormerDirtDart  Oct 29, 2016 • 7:29:30am

re: #172 Nyet

Mixed feelings.

Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Egypt, China, Brazil, Rwanda, Hungary, Cuba, South Africa, Japan, Tunisia, the U.S. and U.K. also won seats on the council.

I think that list makes Russia getting booted off all the more embarrassing

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HappyWarrior  Oct 29, 2016 • 7:30:42am

re: #185 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Trump may do well in PA’s rural areas but he’s going to get smashed in Pittsburgh and Philly so that won’t be able to save him.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Oct 29, 2016 • 7:30:54am

re: #183 Backwoods_Sleuth

Is it me, or does Trump fly back and forth between eastern and western states willy-nilly, without regard for trip planning? Does Clinton do the same thing? I swear he was in Colorado not long ago.

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Nyet  Oct 29, 2016 • 7:31:08am

re: #186 FormerDirtDart

Not when you consider the nature of that institution.

As of 2015, Israel has been condemned in 62 resolutions by the Council since its creation in 2006—the Council has resolved more resolutions condemning Israel than the rest of the world combined.[62]

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Belafon  Oct 29, 2016 • 7:31:20am

re: #186 FormerDirtDart

I think that list makes Russia getting booted off all the more embarrassing

“You’re officially worse than Saudi Arabia.”

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Oct 29, 2016 • 7:33:04am

re: #190 Belafon

“You’re officially worse than Saudi Arabia.”

Russia may be bad, but that’s just ridiculous.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 29, 2016 • 7:34:56am

re: #188 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Is it me, or does Trump fly back and forth between eastern and western states willy-nilly, without regard for trip planning? Does Clinton do the same thing? I swear he was in Colorado not long ago.

He doesn’t care…he’s not paying for any of it.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Oct 29, 2016 • 7:35:02am

re: #191 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Russia may be bad, but that’s just ridiculous.

Well, how many of those countries have invaded a neighboring country recently?

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Nyet  Oct 29, 2016 • 7:36:13am

re: #193 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Well, how many of those countries have invaded a neighboring country recently?

That’s hardly the only metric. For all the bad fascisty things Putin’s Russia does, it’s unimaginably better than SA.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Oct 29, 2016 • 7:37:31am

re: #192 Backwoods_Sleuth

He doesn’t care…he’s not paying for any of it.

Sure, but it seems really inefficient, as if no one is really coordinating his rallies.

I know the answer already.

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Belafon  Oct 29, 2016 • 7:38:32am

re: #191 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Russia may be bad, but that’s just ridiculous.

Not that I’m a UN expert, but I get the impression that the purpose of the Human Rights Council (and possibly others) is to give countries that aren’t the big 5 that control the Security Council something to do.

This would be my cynical view of the organization that I think is otherwise important.

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Nyet  Oct 29, 2016 • 7:38:43am

re: #194 Nyet

IOW: Russia is on its way to where SA already is.

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Belafon  Oct 29, 2016 • 7:39:26am

re: #195 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Sure, but it seems really inefficient, as if no one is really coordinating his rallies.

I know the answer already.

Trump’s racking up those frequent flier miles so he can take that trip to China he’s always wanted.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Oct 29, 2016 • 7:39:40am

re: #194 Nyet

That’s hardly the only metric. For all the bad fascisty things Putin’s Russia does, it’s unimaginably better than SA.

I know. Russian women can drive, for example. AFAIK, no one in Russia gets beheaded or loses a hand for thievery. But I wonder if this rejection is the UNGA’s slap on the wrist for Putin’s invasion of Ukraine.

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Nyet  Oct 29, 2016 • 7:41:05am

re: #199 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

I know. Russian women can drive, for example. AFAIK, no one in Russia gets beheaded or loses a hand for thievery. But I wonder if this rejection is the UNGA’s slap on the wrist for Putin’s invasion of Syria.

ftfy

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Oct 29, 2016 • 7:41:06am

re: #197 Nyet

IOW: Russia is on the way to where SA is.

When the Russian Orthodox Church achieves the same degree of influence in Russia that Wahhabi Islam enjoys in Saudi Arabia, we can start making comparisons.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Oct 29, 2016 • 7:41:53am

re: #200 Nyet

ftfy

Yeah, that too.

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Nyet  Oct 29, 2016 • 7:43:00am

re: #202 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Yeah, that too.

Just that. Invasion of Ukraine is “ancient history”, relatively speaking.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Oct 29, 2016 • 7:44:19am

re: #203 Nyet

Just that. Invasion of Ukraine is “ancient history”, relatively speaking.

What about Yemen? Did the KSA get their asses kicked so thoroughly that they pulled out or are they still there?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 29, 2016 • 7:44:19am

[Can’t find this tweet right now: twitter.com ]

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 29, 2016 • 7:45:06am

re: #205 Backwoods_Sleuth

[Can’t find this tweet right now: twitter.com ]

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Belafon  Oct 29, 2016 • 7:45:44am

I’m copying this from Anne Laurie because I think it’s important, in regards to the email thing:

Nothing important has changed since last night — the Repubs, and their abettors like James Comey, remain venal; Hillary Clinton is chugging along to become our first female President; and we Democrats, perennial eeyores that we be, are in more danger from our own panic than any outside forces.

Eleven days (quickly becoming ten!) until this election is finally over, and we can get on with our lives.

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Nyet  Oct 29, 2016 • 7:46:46am

re: #207 Belafon

I think she expresses it well.

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Feline Fearless Leader  Oct 29, 2016 • 7:48:08am

re: #120 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Of course; these are first and foremost protest votes. these people hate the GOP nearly as much as they hate the Democrats and are supporting DT to spite both.

They have been convinced that they need an outsider to go in and “change Washington”. But without realizing that this outsider, Trump, is totally unqualified for the job, is pretty much guaranteed to be a total clusterf**k regarding both foreign and domestic policy, and despite outsider status will effectively pass complete power back to the same GOP insiders who screwed up everything at the expense of the many for the benefit of the few repeatedly in the past.

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Belafon  Oct 29, 2016 • 7:48:28am

re: #206 Backwoods_Sleuth

From the “5 things”:

First Lady Michelle Obama reacts to seeing her initials welded onto a steel plate by welder Michael Macomber during a keel-laying ceremony for the U.S. Navy’s future USS Illinois at the General Dynamics Electric Boat Shipyard in North Kingston, R.I., June 2, 2014. (Official White House photo by Chuck Kennedy)

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makeitstop  Oct 29, 2016 • 7:53:17am

re: #188 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Is it me, or does Trump fly back and forth between eastern and western states willy-nilly, without regard for trip planning? Does Clinton do the same thing? I swear he was in Colorado not long ago.

Don’t feel so bad. A lot of GOP consultants can’t figure it out, either.

Rather than focusing their efforts on must-win battleground states, Trump and his running mate Mike Pence have crisscrossed the country in a frantic last-minute dash that this week include a rally in Colorado, where Hillary Clinton has a sizable lead, and a stop for a ribbon-cutting ceremony at the Republican nominee’s Washington, D.C. hotel.

“With limited time and limited resources, you can’t try to do everything,” GOP strategist Matt Mackowiak told TPM. “You have to make difficult strategic decisions and I just don’t see them doing that. I see them deploying time and resources based on his instincts, not based on data.”

Mackowiak sees the Trump campaign’s haphazard approach, which he said may bean effort to “preserve a couple of different paths to 270,” as woefully misguided. The Potomac Strategy Group founder said the Republican nominee should be spending every day until Nov. 8 in must-win states like Ohio, Florida and North Carolina.

“You get pressure,” Mackowiak acknowledged. “You have pressure from Republicans in other states who say, ‘No you can win,’ down-ballot candidates saying, ‘Come, we need you,’ people you’ve met along the way. At the end of the day though this is all about winning 270 electoral votes. It’s not about feelings and instincts and what states you like.”

Trump has defiantly brushed away questions about the strategy behind his campaign schedule in the run-up to Election Day. In a terse interview with CNN Wednesday after he attended the grand opening of the Trump International Hotel in D.C., he said it was “very important” to him to support the work of his children.

Trump is now driving the bus, as it were. He keeps going back to where the crowds like him.

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Belafon  Oct 29, 2016 • 7:55:54am

One of my favorite things about the Obamas is that lots of things are still fun and interesting to them. I’m that way, and it drives me nuts when people’s reaction to something is basically “Is that all?”

I have a telescope with a ten inch mirror. One of the things that’s cool to look at is the Orion nebula. But I can tell a lot of people’s reaction is “It’s just that gray stuff?”

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 29, 2016 • 7:56:47am

re: #211 makeitstop

Trump is now driving the bus, as it were. He keeps going back to where the crowds like him.

Like Maine and New Hampshire.

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Feline Fearless Leader  Oct 29, 2016 • 7:58:04am

re: #211 makeitstop

I wonder if a pattern might emerge if they looked for a different goal or factor than winning the election. Such as travel that doesn’t discomfort Trump at all; e.g. he gets to fly home or sleep in the plane every night. Or just possibly doing things that are best for moving campaign money into his own pockets. And I heard that he is billing the Secret Service for having his SS detail on his plane - so flying everywhere is profitable in that sense.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 29, 2016 • 8:00:49am

In recent weeks, I spoke with more than two dozen current and former Trump advisers, friends, and senior Republicans officials, many of whom would speak only off the record given that the campaign is not yet over. What they described was an unmanageable candidate who still does not fully understand the power of the movement he has tapped into, who can’t see that it is larger than himself.

“I got really mad at him the other day,” Trump campaign manager Kellyanne Conway told me. “He said, ‘I think we’ll win, and if not, that’s okay too. And I said, ‘It’s not okay! You can’t say that! Your dry-cleaning bill is like the annual salaries of the people who came to your rallies, and they believe in you!’ ”

snip

Trump got a post-convention bounce and was ahead of Clinton by a point. “What he needs to do,” Newt Gingrich told me, “is focus on the big issues.” Instead he got sidetracked on something any political operative could have told him was a losing battle: feuding with the bereaved Muslim-American parents of a soldier who had died in Iraq.

“You do know you just attacked a Gold Star family?” one adviser warned Trump.

Trump didn’t know what a Gold Star family was: “What’s that?” he asked.

To Trump, Khizr Khan and his wife, Ghazala, were enemies who had said something mean about him, just like Rosie O’Donnell and any number of people who had gotten under his skin over the years. Wasn’t it his right to respond?

“ ’The election is about the American people, it’s not about you,’ ” Manafort told Trump, according to a person briefed on the conversation. Trump countered with Breitbart’s report on Khan’s purported belief in Sharia. “ ’He’s not running for president,’ ” Manafort shot back. “ ’The Clintons did this to us to waste our time getting off message.’ ”

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 29, 2016 • 8:02:26am
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jaunte  Oct 29, 2016 • 8:04:24am

re: #215 Backwoods_Sleuth

“ ’The election is about the American people, it’s not about you,’ ” Manafort told Trump, according to a person briefed on the conversation. Trump countered with Breitbart’s report on Khan’s purported belief in Sharia. “ ’He’s not running for president,’ ” Manafort shot back. “ ’The Clintons did this to us to waste our time getting off message.’ ”

“It’s a poor workman who blames his tool.”

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Oct 29, 2016 • 8:04:27am

re: #214 Feline Fearless Leader

I wonder if a pattern might emerge if they looked for a different goal or factor than winning the election. Such as travel that doesn’t discomfort Trump at all; e.g. he gets to fly home or sleep in the plane every night. Or just possibly doing things that are best for moving campaign money into his own pockets. And I heard that he is billing the Secret Service for having his SS detail on his plane - so flying everywhere is profitable in that sense.

Good point. So in a way he’s racking up frequent flier miles, but I wonder if the SS payments fully cover the costs of operating the jet.

re: #211 makeitstop

That was my guess. Trump has no ground game, so he goes wherever he thinks there’ll be a decent crowd to whip up into a frenzy. Bannon has never run a campaign, and Conway is only useful as a programmable mouthpiece for media appearances.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 29, 2016 • 8:05:49am

re: #215 Backwoods_Sleuth

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I can totally believe that he didn’t know what a Gold Star family was.

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darthstar  Oct 29, 2016 • 8:05:53am

Good morning. My head hurts. Started limiting hard alcohol only to weekends two weeks ago and now my body don’t like having three cocktails anymore. Yeesh.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 29, 2016 • 8:06:06am

Anyone here surprised?
I thought not.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 29, 2016 • 8:06:56am

re: #221 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Anyone here surprised?
I thought not.

I am not.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Oct 29, 2016 • 8:07:52am

re: #180 Nyet

Less than 1/2 of the nations there deserve to be there.

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BigPapa  Oct 29, 2016 • 8:08:28am

re: #221 Backwoods_Sleuth

I’m surprised it’s not 47%. Or, a basketful.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Oct 29, 2016 • 8:09:14am

re: #193 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Saudi, sorta kinda?

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Oct 29, 2016 • 8:11:15am

re: #225 Ziggy_TARDIS

Saudi, sorta kinda?

Fair point, though they have yet to succeed completely.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Oct 29, 2016 • 8:12:01am

re: #223 Ziggy_TARDIS

Less than 1/2 of the nations there deserve to be there.

It’s like setting the foxes to watch the chicken coop.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Oct 29, 2016 • 8:14:11am

re: #227 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Yeah, Russia getting denied is a rebuke for the reckless behavior of Putin in the past 2 years.

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BigPapa  Oct 29, 2016 • 8:14:41am

On Facebook, a tortured progressive, after being told I’m a Hillarybot:

This election is more about the Clinton regime’s lust for world domination than most of us even realize. If she wins, she’ll likely put us into WWIII against Russia, China and Iran, just to name a few. Trump seems to have a far more moderate stance, but unlike Bernie, he hasn’t made clear his intentions and/or propose any meaningful alternative. It’s a mystery who orchestrates his actions, but I’m guessing it’s the same faction that controls HRC and most of the western world anyway.

All left and right paradigms end up at the Rothschild’s Razor: Or, How I Learned to Stop Thinking and Blame The Jews.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Oct 29, 2016 • 8:15:37am

So, I learned about an incident during the Arab-Israeli War of 1948 today.

Evidence of a massacre in which 52-64 villagers were killed by the IDF comes from several contemporaneous Israeli government sources and Arab oral history. The evidence suggests that 52 men had their hands tied, were shot and killed, and were buried in a pit. Several women were allegedly raped, including a 14-year-old, and possibly killed.[3] At least two internal inquiries were initiated during 1948-9 by the IDF, but their reports remain classified.

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makeitstop  Oct 29, 2016 • 8:18:04am

re: #214 Feline Fearless Leader

I wonder if a pattern might emerge if they looked for a different goal or factor than winning the election. Such as travel that doesn’t discomfort Trump at all; e.g. he gets to fly home or sleep in the plane every night. Or just possibly doing things that are best for moving campaign money into his own pockets. And I heard that he is billing the Secret Service for having his SS detail on his plane - so flying everywhere is profitable in that sense.

I had that thought a while ago. He was returning again and again to the New England area after the primary. I figured it was because he could get back to NYC at the end of the day, and that he was shelling out less for jet fuel than he would flying to points west.

As long as his speeches were televised, he could have driven over to Brooklyn and held a rally. People looking at the TV would see him ‘on the campaign trail’ either way.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Oct 29, 2016 • 8:21:33am

re: #211 makeitstop

And he’s still airing ads in Chicago.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 29, 2016 • 8:22:14am

re: #229 BigPapa

On Facebook, a tortured progressive, after being told I’m a Hillarybot:

All left and right paradigms end up at the Rothschild’s Razor: Or, How I Learned to Stop Thinking and Blame The Jews.

The circular spectrum strikes again. Anyone who believes Trump is less hawkish than Clinton is an idiot.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 29, 2016 • 8:24:40am

re: #231 makeitstop

I had that thought a while ago. He was returning again and again to the New England area after the primary. I figured it was because he could get back to NYC at the end of the day, and that he was shelling out less for jet fuel than he would flying to points west.

As long as his speeches were televised, he could have driven over to Brooklyn and held a rally. People looking at the TV would see him ‘on the campaign trail’ either way.

another bit from the NY Magazine article I linked to earlier:

When she was promoted to campaign manager in mid-August, Conway met with Trump in his office on the 26th floor of Trump Tower. She told him two things: that he was losing and that he was running a joyless campaign. “What would make you happier in the job?” she asked.

“ ’I miss flying around and giving rallies when it was just a couple of us on the plane,’ ” he told her.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 29, 2016 • 8:25:09am

re: #211 makeitstop

Don’t feel so bad. A lot of GOP consultants can’t figure it out, either.

Trump is now driving the bus, as it were. He keeps going back to where the crowds like him.

The GOP must have been totally delusional to think that Trump would take any advice from professionals on how to run a political campaign.

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BigPapa  Oct 29, 2016 • 8:26:29am

re: #233 HappyWarrior

The circular spectrum strikes again. Anyone who believes Trump is less hawkish than Clinton is an idiot.

That Hillary voted for war in Iraq is a crime never to be forgiven, no matter her comments on that vote afterward.

Another word for this is fanaticism.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 29, 2016 • 8:26:44am

re: #235 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

The GOP must have been totally delusional to think that Trump would take any advice from professionals on how to run a political campaign.

Hate to use it but it’s not all unlike the old German right that thought they could control that guy with the mustache. I forgot his name though!

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Oct 29, 2016 • 8:27:16am

I’m hoping that Comey’s little stunt will open the door to talking about the incompetence of the FBI on a number of issues. Their missteps before 9/11 is the biggest one.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 29, 2016 • 8:28:05am

re: #236 BigPapa

That Hillary voted for war in Iraq is a crime never to be forgiven, no matter her comments on that vote afterward.

Another word for this is fanaticism.

Indeed. I protested against the war in Iraq but it’s use as a grudge. A lot of people unfortunately were wrong about the war in Iraq. Hillary was one of them. However, unlike Pence, I believe she actually learned something from her vote. Trump loves to attack Clinton for that vote while ignoring that his running mate supported the war in Iraq without question.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Oct 29, 2016 • 8:28:10am

Comey’s little leak wouldn’t jeopardize the case against Weiner at all, would it?

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 29, 2016 • 8:30:00am

re: #239 HappyWarrior

Indeed. I protested against the war in Iraq but it’s use as a grudge. A lot of people unfortunately were wrong about the war in Iraq. Hillary was one of them. However, unlike Pence, I believe she actually learned something from her vote. Trump loves to attack Clinton for that vote while ignoring that his running mate supported the war in Iraq without question.

Hillary and Pence both have administrative and legislative records. Trump has boasts and empty promises.

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Nyet  Oct 29, 2016 • 8:30:19am

re: #236 BigPapa

That Hillary voted for war in Iraq is a crime never to be forgiven, no matter her comments on that vote afterward.

Another word for this is fanaticism.

And I think I won’t be splitting too many hairs if I say it wasn’t a vote for a war as such.

Which is not to say it wasn’t a grievous mistake, since it enabled the war, but it wasn’t “for” war.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 29, 2016 • 8:31:24am

re: #241 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Hillary and Pence both have administrative and legislative records. Trump has boasts and empty promises.

Kaine has both of those too. I don’t think there’s ever been anyone close as being utterly unqualified for the job as Trump is. Sure Eisenhower, Grant, and others had no elected experience before but as generals they had experience dealing with the government in a way Trump has not.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 29, 2016 • 8:32:06am

re: #242 Nyet

And I think I won’t be splitting too many hairs if I say it wasn’t a vote for a war as such.

Which is not to say it wasn’t a grievous mistake, since it enabled the war, but it wasn’t “for” war.

That’s true. This country hasn’t formally declared war since 12/8/1941.

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PhillyPretzel  Oct 29, 2016 • 8:32:53am

re: #243 HappyWarrior

HRC has more experience in her pinky finger than that Trump person has in his whole organization.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Oct 29, 2016 • 8:33:58am

re: #240 GlutenFreeJesus

That’s a very good question. Apparently, Comey may trying to walk himself back. He sent out a second letter.

I think Comey might be hosed.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 29, 2016 • 8:34:16am

re: #245 PhillyPretzel

HRC has more experience in her pinky finger than that Trump person has in his whole organization.

One of my favorite moments of the debates was when she compared what she’s been doing versus what he’s been doing. If things are honestly so awful as he claims they are, why didn’t he run for office before and better yet why did he praise her then? He’s full of shit and here we are a week before the election.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Oct 29, 2016 • 8:34:49am

re: #243 HappyWarrior

In regards to Eisenhower, didn’t he have some executive control during some of the Occupation of Germany?

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Nyet  Oct 29, 2016 • 8:34:59am

re: #244 HappyWarrior

I meant the intent. Again, maybe splitting hairs, but voting for war means intending for a war to happen.
Voting for an authorization was an irresponsible thing, but did not automatically mean there was an intent for war.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 29, 2016 • 8:35:11am

re: #246 Ziggy_TARDIS

That’s a very good question. Apparently, Comey may trying to walk himself back. He sent out a second letter.

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I think Comey might be hosed.

He may well have had good intentions in what he did but he should have known how Chaffetz would run with it.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 29, 2016 • 8:36:09am

re: #249 Nyet

I meant the intent. Again, maybe splitting hair, but voting for war means intending for a war to happen.
Voting for an authorization was an irresponsible thing, but did not automatically mean there was an intent for war.

Oh true, I see what you mean now.

252
Nyet  Oct 29, 2016 • 8:36:11am

re: #246 Ziggy_TARDIS

Comey says he didn’t want to be misunderstood but did everything to be “misunderstood”.

Animals - Don’t let me be Misunderstood

253
Ziggy_TARDIS  Oct 29, 2016 • 8:38:16am

re: #250 HappyWarrior

Then he is a massive idiot, and should resign anyway.

He just got himself in a no win situation.

254
BigPapa  Oct 29, 2016 • 8:38:17am

re: #242 Nyet

I don’t think it’s splitting hairs - but her vote was wrong. I didn’t vote for war either but supported it at the time. Should I be lynched? Maybe just a little waterboarding would suffice.

255
Nyet  Oct 29, 2016 • 8:39:07am

re: #254 BigPapa

I don’t think it’s splitting hairs - but her vote was wrong. I didn’t vote for war either but supported it at the time. Should I be lynched? Maybe just a little waterboarding would suffice.

How ‘bout whiskeyboarding?

256
HappyWarrior  Oct 29, 2016 • 8:39:07am

re: #253 Ziggy_TARDIS

Then he is a massive idiot, and should resign anyway.

He just got himself in a no win situation.

i don’t disagree with that assessment.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 29, 2016 • 8:40:22am

re: #254 BigPapa

I don’t think it’s splitting hairs - but her vote was wrong. I didn’t vote for war either but supported it at the time. Should I be lynched? Maybe just a little waterboarding would suffice.

I do say this as someone who was staunchly opposed to the war and lead up, I think some people get a little holier than thou about it. Now the people who still bother me when it comes to it are the people who refuse to acknowledge that the Bush admin made a lot of mistakes.

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PhillyPretzel  Oct 29, 2016 • 8:40:35am

re: #255 Nyet

Whiskeyboarding?

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HappyWarrior  Oct 29, 2016 • 8:41:04am

re: #258 PhillyPretzel

Whiskeyboarding?

It’s a harmless frat prank :).

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PhillyPretzel  Oct 29, 2016 • 8:42:05am

re: #260 HappyWarrior

Like a certain type of “locker room talk.”

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Dr Lizardo  Oct 29, 2016 • 8:43:02am

re: #237 HappyWarrior

Hate to use it but it’s not all unlike the old German right that thought they could control that guy with the mustache. I forgot his name though!

Oh you must mean Mr. Hilter.

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BigPapa  Oct 29, 2016 • 8:43:21am

re: #252 Nyet

Comey says he didn’t want to be misunderstood but did everything to be “misunderstood”.

Sorta like the Trumpkin who voted twice because the elections are rigged?

‘Just to be clear so I’m not misunderstood I’ll say that without extraneous misgivings further information not encapsulated outside of interpretations are reconcile.’

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Nyet  Oct 29, 2016 • 8:43:21am

Beerboarding will do too.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Oct 29, 2016 • 8:43:32am

I think the DOD is shading the FBI.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 29, 2016 • 8:44:58am

re: #262 Dr Lizardo

Oh you must mean Mr. Hilter.

[Embedded content]

Yeah that guy.

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makeitstop  Oct 29, 2016 • 8:47:54am

re: #252 Nyet

Comey says he didn’t want to be misunderstood but did everything to be “misunderstood”.

Yeah, that letter is pretty disingenuous.

‘I didn’t mean to do any damage,’ he said - after the damage was already done.

What was that phrase that was so popular for a few minutes? ‘Let’s dispense with the notion that Comey doesn’t know what he’s doing - he knows exactly what he’s doing.’

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BigPapa  Oct 29, 2016 • 8:48:20am

re: #258 PhillyPretzel

Whiskeyboarding?

I actually thought of suggesting waterboarding myself with Barefoot chardonnay, because that would be torture. Not lying. GMTA!

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BigPapa  Oct 29, 2016 • 8:50:09am

re: #264 Nyet

Beerboarding will do too.

Barrel-fermented-central-coast-chardonnay-boarding would technically not qualify as torture.

Pinot-boarding rolls of the tongue a lot better. But it would not be torture either.

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Stanley Sea  Oct 29, 2016 • 8:50:26am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 29, 2016 • 8:51:16am

re: #243 HappyWarrior

Kaine has both of those too. I don’t think there’s ever been anyone close as being utterly unqualified for the job as Trump is. Sure Eisenhower, Grant, and others had no elected experience before but as generals they had experience dealing with the government in a way Trump has not.

Eisenhower and Grant had a record of public service and administrative experience. Trump only has a record of self-service at the expense of the public as well as his partners and contractors.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 29, 2016 • 8:51:44am

re: #271 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Eisenhower and Grant had a record of public service and administrative experience. Trump only has a record of self-service at the expense of the public as well as his partners and contractors.

Exactly.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 29, 2016 • 8:52:07am
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PhillyPretzel  Oct 29, 2016 • 8:53:32am

re: #273 Backwoods_Sleuth

That is precious. The look on the cat’s face seems to say darn I am caught again.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 29, 2016 • 8:55:44am

re: #274 PhillyPretzel

That is precious. The look on the cat’s face seems to say darn I am caught again.

I particularly like the very slow closing of the drawer…

276
Belafon  Oct 29, 2016 • 8:55:57am

re: #270 Stanley Sea

Someone here yesterday had a Bernie person who was freaking out, in part because they’d already voted for Clinton. They need to see this.

Edit: Is there a way to include a tweet and NOT include the original?

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electrotek  Oct 29, 2016 • 8:56:47am

Anyone else follow Iyad El-Baghdadi’s Twitter account? It amazes me how some idiots continue to paint him as some type of terrorist supporter when it is quite the obvious:

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Oct 29, 2016 • 8:57:31am
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Jayleia  Oct 29, 2016 • 9:01:23am

re: #275 Backwoods_Sleuth

I like how the back half of the cat is trying to sneak away, and those ears. Those are PERMANENTLY guilty ears.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Oct 29, 2016 • 9:01:49am

re: #238 Ziggy_TARDIS

I’m hoping that Comey’s little stunt will open the door to talking about the incompetence of the FBI on a number of issues. Their missteps before 9/11 is the biggest one.

It’s not just that: let’s not forget all of their staged arrests of so-called terrorists who really weren’t.

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Feline Fearless Leader  Oct 29, 2016 • 9:02:46am

re: #218 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Good point. So in a way he’s racking up frequent flier miles, but I wonder if the SS payments fully cover the costs of operating the jet.

That was my guess. Trump has no ground game, so he goes wherever he thinks there’ll be a decent crowd to whip up into a frenzy. Bannon has never run a campaign, and Conway is only useful as a programmable mouthpiece for media appearances.

He probably bills the jet costs right now to the campaign as well since it’s his jet.

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darthstar  Oct 29, 2016 • 9:02:50am

Bill Maher on Hillary & Trump and how millenials don’t know shit if they equate the two.

salon.com

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Belafon  Oct 29, 2016 • 9:03:57am

re: #282 darthstar

Considering Millenials are supporting Clinton over Trump at a higher rate than they supported Obama over Romney, I’m done with arguments about how stupid they are.

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BigPapa  Oct 29, 2016 • 9:05:25am

I hope more in the Pavlov’s Media wake up in a few days and think ‘Oh, uh, whoops’ with this latest email revelation. Ridiculous.

285
scottslemmons  Oct 29, 2016 • 9:06:07am

re: #283 Belafon

Considering Millenials are supporting Clinton over Trump at a higher rate than they supported Obama over Romney, I’m done with arguments about how stupid they are.

Amen. The Millennials I know are damn smart.

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Feline Fearless Leader  Oct 29, 2016 • 9:06:39am

re: #269 BigPapa

Barrel-fermented-central-coast-chardonnay-boarding would technically not qualify as torture.

Pinot-boarding rolls of the tongue a lot better. But it would not be torture either.

But Merlot-boarding is a crime against humanity?

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Oct 29, 2016 • 9:06:39am

re: #280 Eric The Fruit Bat

You are correct on that.

However, spectacular failures stick in people’s minds more. And 9/11 was a spectacular failure in security by the FBI.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 29, 2016 • 9:06:43am

re: #284 BigPapa

I hope more in the Pavlov’s Media wake up in a few days and think ‘Oh, uh, whoops’ with this latest email revelation. Ridiculous.

It serves the purpose of keeping “Clinton + e-mail scandal” bounding about the media

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 29, 2016 • 9:06:51am

The Royal Clarence, built in 1769 and thought to be the oldest hotel in England:

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Tigger2  Oct 29, 2016 • 9:07:25am

Man saw a young girl inappropriately touched.

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darthstar  Oct 29, 2016 • 9:07:35am

So I put these two things together last night…

I love grilling my pumpkin for pies. Get a little more sugar out of it that way.

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darthstar  Oct 29, 2016 • 9:08:10am

Okay…the day beckons. Be good, everyone.

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Belafon  Oct 29, 2016 • 9:08:30am

I saw a really cool billboard here in the Dallas area. It said “Islam = Marriage Equality”. My son said he saw a second one.

My wife went and early voted here in Rockwall. Today’s the only Saturday, since early voting ends the fourth. She was talking to one of the workers who said that electronically, there were over 800 people who voted on the first day, and that there had already been over 500 people vote this morning. My wife, who voted by paper, said the paper scanner had hers at 1094.

A lot of people are voting early. I don’t think it means that Democrats are going to take the state, but it does mean that people are starting to like early voting, which might bode well for trying to get it passed nationally.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 29, 2016 • 9:08:56am

re: #283 Belafon

Considering Millenials are supporting Clinton over Trump at a higher rate than they supported Obama over Romney, I’m done with arguments about how stupid they are.

re: #285 scottslemmons

Amen. The Millennials I know are damn smart.

Thanks guys. I hate generational blaming. I hate it when people my age blame the boomers for that matter too.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 29, 2016 • 9:10:00am

re: #293 Belafon

I saw a really cool billboard here in the Dallas area. It said “Islam = Marriage Equality”. My son said he saw a second one.

My wife went and early voted here in Rockwall. Today’s the only Saturday, since early voting ends the fourth. She was talking to one of the workers who said that electronically, there were over 800 people who voted on the first day, and that there had already been over 500 people vote this morning. My wife, who voted by paper, said the paper scanner had hers at 1094.

A lot of people are voting early. I don’t think it means that Democrats are going to take the state, but it does mean that people are starting to like early voting, which might bode well for trying to get it passed nationally.

See, I thought Islam = more falafel, shawarma, and kabob shops. ///

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Nyet  Oct 29, 2016 • 9:13:59am

re: #269 BigPapa

George Plantagenet, 1st Duke of Clarence, 1st Earl of Salisbury, 1st Earl of Warwick KG (21 October 1449 - 18 February 1478) was the third surviving son of Richard Plantagenet, 3rd Duke of York, and Cecily Neville, and the brother of English Kings Edward IV and Richard III. He played an important role in the dynastic struggle between rival factions of the Plantagenets known as the Wars of the Roses.
Though a member of the House of York, he switched sides to support the Lancastrians, before reverting to the Yorkists. He was later convicted of treason against his brother, Edward IV, and was executed (allegedly by being drowned in a butt of Malmsey wine).

297
Nyet  Oct 29, 2016 • 9:15:06am

re: #277 electrotek

Have just followed him.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 29, 2016 • 9:16:51am
299
BigPapa  Oct 29, 2016 • 9:18:37am

re: #296 Nyet

It was a good death

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HappyWarrior  Oct 29, 2016 • 9:19:05am

re: #298 Backwoods_Sleuth

[Embedded content]

I imagine a lot of them while they may not like Clinton or support her presidential bid do have a respect for the process.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Oct 29, 2016 • 9:20:44am

So, is Josh Marshall being snarky?

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HappyWarrior  Oct 29, 2016 • 9:22:17am

re: #301 Ziggy_TARDIS

So, is Josh Marshall being snarky?

[Embedded content]

Yeah, he’s being a smartass.

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Belafon  Oct 29, 2016 • 9:27:05am

re: #302 HappyWarrior

Yeah, he’s being a smartass.

Nate would be shocked to find out that we got onto people for paying attention to a single poll.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 29, 2016 • 9:28:49am

re: #303 Belafon

Nate would be shocked to find out that we got onto people for paying attention to a single poll.

People get excited. I’m not surprised that Nate who is more of a scientific, analytic type thinker has a hard time seeing that. I admit it. I’m emotional in how I approach things.

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electrotek  Oct 29, 2016 • 9:30:51am

re: #297 Nyet

Have just followed him.

Assad/Putin apologists keep calling him an apologist for terrorism while Islamophobes accuse him of lying about Islam.

But he has no qualms condemning both Salafism and the extreme strains of Shi’ism commonplace with the ruling clergy in Iran.

He denounced Iraqi Shi’as who on one hand were suffering under the hands of an Iraqi Baathist dictatorship, but go flock to defend another Baathist dictatorship of their liking in neighboring Syria.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Oct 29, 2016 • 9:31:01am

re: #301 Ziggy_TARDIS

In regards to the ABC poll, I cannot find a demographic breakdown of the polling, or how people were voting based on demographics.

Also, they had this line in the ABC Press Release.

Many of these results are not statistically significant taken alone, given the sample sizes - but these small shifts add to the larger trends.

If most of them are statistically significant, how do we know that any of them are actually real, and not an artifact of who you were polling that day?

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Oct 29, 2016 • 9:31:35am

re: #304 HappyWarrior

Same here.

308
Stanley Sea  Oct 29, 2016 • 9:34:32am
309
Ziggy_TARDIS  Oct 29, 2016 • 9:34:39am

Also, here is something else in the poll write up.

That said, the dynamics can continue to shift. While preferences in recent past elections have been stable, there are previous examples of wild rides. Most notable is 1992, when, among many gyrations, Bill Clinton went from an 11-point lead to a 3-point gap in six days late in the race - a shift much like his wife is experiencing in her contest, these 24 years later.

Well, that would be interesting, because the actual margin was 5.6%

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wrenchwench  Oct 29, 2016 • 9:36:08am

The end of Vine is a lot more fun than the end of the Republican Party.

This one needs the sound:

This one does not:

I hope I’m not in violation of National Cat Day regulations.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 29, 2016 • 9:37:08am

re: #309 Ziggy_TARDIS

Also, here is something else in the poll write up.

Well, that would be interesting, because the actual margin was 5.6%

I’m just not seeing that happening. Trump has alienated so many key demographics. Now, it’s possible the race might tighten up yet but even with what happened in 1992, Bill Clinton still won by a convincing margin and H.W Bush finished with under 40% of the vote. I don’t think Johnson/Stein have what Perot had going for him in 1992.

312
electrotek  Oct 29, 2016 • 9:39:46am

And right-wingers keep saying Syrians are going to destroy European civilization?

313
HappyWarrior  Oct 29, 2016 • 9:40:01am

In short, Trump has to have a lot of things go right where Clinton has to have an equally amount go wrong for her and furthermore Trump has to show he’s capable of having a GOTV effort. I don’t think it’s crazy to think that Trump may underpoll some of his final results because his campaign is so poorly run.

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wrenchwench  Oct 29, 2016 • 9:44:19am

Worth the click-thru to watch it.

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MsJ  Oct 29, 2016 • 9:50:20am

A report on the ground from the great state of Illinois.

Not a single For President sign to be seen. Lots of signs on corners; Gary Johnson is the only For President signs I’ve seen (2).

Got my hair done this morning, some tepid “don’t trust” bs about Hillary but no support for Trump.

I’m off to make a great drive.

See y’all laterz.

316
Eclectic Cyborg  Oct 29, 2016 • 9:57:22am

I saw a few people wearing Make America Great Again hats at Walmart last night. Made me want to get out of there even faster than usual.

317
Ziggy_TARDIS  Oct 29, 2016 • 9:59:33am

re: #312 electrotek

I’m going to pin the blame of the mosques being too wacky there on Saudi and Germany.

Saudi for actually peddling the Salafism, and Germnay for turning a blind eye until well after 9/11.

I would invite those refugees to the US. Our mosques have yet to be touched very much by the wackos.

318
Dr Lizardo  Oct 29, 2016 • 10:01:11am

re: #317 Ziggy_TARDIS

I’m going to pin the blame of the mosques being too wacky there on Saudi and Germany.

Saudi for actually peddling the Salafism, and Germnay for turning a blind eye until well after 9/11.

I would invite those refugees to the US. Our mosques have yet to be touched very much by the wackos.

Don’t forget groups like Milli Görus. They’re pretty hardcore too.

319
electrotek  Oct 29, 2016 • 10:01:20am

re: #317 Ziggy_TARDIS

I’m going to pin the blame of the mosques being too wacky there on Saudi and Germany.

Saudi for actually peddling the Salafism, and Germnay for turning a blind eye until well after 9/11.

I would invite those refugees to the US. Our mosques have yet to be touched very much by the wackos.

Some American mosques have been infested by Salafi clowns who think voting is kufr, sadly.

320
Tigger2  Oct 29, 2016 • 10:01:49am

re: #316 Eclectic Cyborg

I saw a few people wearing Make America Great Again hats at Walmart last night. Made me want to get out of there even faster than usual.

The irony of people wearing”Make America Great Again Hats” that were made in China while shopping at a store that gets a lot of their inventory from out of the country is duly noted.

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electrotek  Oct 29, 2016 • 10:03:20am

re: #317 Ziggy_TARDIS

I’m going to pin the blame of the mosques being too wacky there on Saudi and Germany.

Saudi for actually peddling the Salafism, and Germnay for turning a blind eye until well after 9/11.

I would invite those refugees to the US. Our mosques have yet to be touched very much by the wackos.

Case in point:

322
Ziggy_TARDIS  Oct 29, 2016 • 10:04:35am

re: #319 electrotek

At the same time, they are also isolated. I think I have seen one, maybe 2 mosques like that between Colorado Springs, the Denver, OKC, and Dallas.

Right now, in terms of social attitudes on various issues, Muslims sit halfway between The Conservative faith groups in the nation, and the Liberal ones, with their being a massive and jarring generational gap, and to some extent, a gender gap.

We are doing ok in the US for the time being.

323
electrotek  Oct 29, 2016 • 10:06:37am

re: #322 Ziggy_TARDIS

At the same time, they are also isolated. I think I have seen one, maybe 2 mosques like that between Colorado Springs, the Denver, OKC, and Dallas.

Right now, in terms of social attitudes on various issues, Muslims sit halfway between The Conservative faith groups in the nation, and the Liberal ones, with their being a massive and jarring generational gap, and to some extent, a gender gap.

We are doing ok in the US for the time being.

A major plus is that younger American Muslims are more accepting of LGBT rights than the predecessors.

324
wrenchwench  Oct 29, 2016 • 10:07:48am

Not every Democratic headquarters has magnificent dead animals on the wall:

I think Tom Udall is right under the bear in the group photo.

325
stpaulbear  Oct 29, 2016 • 10:07:50am

(deleted to destroy evidence of how dumb I am)

326
Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 29, 2016 • 10:12:46am

Almost 80F here in the Backwoods and the Asian lady beetles are swarming.
yay, me…

327
retired cynic  Oct 29, 2016 • 10:14:06am

re: #243 HappyWarrior

Kaine has both of those too. I don’t think there’s ever been anyone close as being utterly unqualified for the job as Trump is. Sure Eisenhower, Grant, and others had no elected experience before but as generals they had experience dealing with the government in a way Trump has not.

As complicated as the government was in the 1860s and 1950s, it is orders of magnitude more complicated now!

328
retired cynic  Oct 29, 2016 • 10:15:07am

re: #326 Backwoods_Sleuth

Almost 80F here in the Backwoods and the Asian lady beetles are swarming.
yay, me…

Knock wood, we’ve only seen a few. We are usually totally inundated by mid-October. And Halloween when it is sunny and 80? Forget about it!

329
scottslemmons  Oct 29, 2016 • 10:17:08am

Okay, here’s some Halloween fun — MIT is using artificial intelligence to turn normal images of people and places into high-octane nightmare fuel.

330
ObserverArt  Oct 29, 2016 • 10:18:34am

re: #273 Backwoods_Sleuth

Amanda @Pandamoanimum
As it’s #NationalCatDay, here’s my favourite guilty cat.
4:10 AM - 29 Oct 2016
217 217 Retweets 366 366 likes

That is a unique looking kitty. What type of breed is that?

Love how it slowly tries to slink away…and looking right at the person that caught the act.

331
Charles Johnson  Oct 29, 2016 • 10:21:21am
332
Sionainn, the Nasty Devilbitch  Oct 29, 2016 • 10:21:57am

Yep. Really. With the motto “Putting America Back Together.”

This morning.
333
Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 29, 2016 • 10:21:58am

re: #330 ObserverArt

That is a unique looking kitty. What type of breed is that?

Love how it slowly tries to slink away…and looking right at the person that caught the act.

looks kind of like a Scottish Fold.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 29, 2016 • 10:25:00am

re: #318 Dr Lizardo

Don’t forget groups like Milli Görus. They’re pretty hardcore too.

Yeah, and they lip-sync their sermons

335
wrenchwench  Oct 29, 2016 • 10:27:03am

re: #333 Backwoods_Sleuth

looks kind of like a Scottish Fold.

That’s not a bed-making technique? Oh, that’s ‘Hospital Fold’, never mind.

336
Charles Johnson  Oct 29, 2016 • 10:27:44am
337
Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 29, 2016 • 10:28:16am

re: #335 wrenchwench

That’s not a bed-making technique? Oh, that’s ‘Hospital Fold’, never mind.

You’ve never had kittehs help you make beds?

338
wrenchwench  Oct 29, 2016 • 10:29:27am

re: #337 Backwoods_Sleuth

You’ve never had kittehs help you make beds?

They thought they were helping…

339
Ziggy_TARDIS  Oct 29, 2016 • 10:29:57am

This is why I am still worried about the election:

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Dr Lizardo  Oct 29, 2016 • 10:30:08am

re: #334 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Yeah, and they lip-sync their sermons

I see what you did there.

341
Jayleia  Oct 29, 2016 • 10:31:30am

re: #338 wrenchwench

HAH! Cats never help. They might have looked like they were acting like they thought they were helping…

342
ObserverArt  Oct 29, 2016 • 10:31:48am

re: #310 wrenchwench

The end of Vine is a lot more fun than the end of the Republican Party.

This one needs the sound:

[Embedded content]

I hope I’m not in violation of National Cat Day regulations.

All Pet Lives Matter.

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wrenchwench  Oct 29, 2016 • 10:33:52am

re: #342 ObserverArt

All Pet Lives Matter.

Don’t look at my Pecos tweet.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 29, 2016 • 10:37:08am

re: #318 Dr Lizardo

Don’t forget groups like Milli Görus. They’re pretty hardcore too.

Still, Germany has seen a large generation of young Muslims grow up in a secularized, Western society, and I believe that will start to have a moderating influence on Islam

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ObserverArt  Oct 29, 2016 • 10:40:47am

re: #326 Backwoods_Sleuth

Almost 80F here in the Backwoods and the Asian lady beetles are swarming.
yay, me…

76° here in Columbus. Extremely mild! So, I went out and washed the car thoroughly earlier at the ol’ quarter car wash. We could see 80 too.

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ObserverArt  Oct 29, 2016 • 10:44:28am

re: #333 Backwoods_Sleuth

looks kind of like a Scottish Fold.

Just did an image search…I think you are correct. They all have that round face, the little folded ears and that bushy fat tail. Cool. Learning a lot about kitties here at LGF.

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makeitstop  Oct 29, 2016 • 10:49:54am

This got a laugh out of me. For all the POTUSA fans here. Gotta be a couple, right?

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makeitstop  Oct 29, 2016 • 10:51:29am

re: #337 Backwoods_Sleuth

You’ve never had kittehs help you make beds?

That’s the dog’s job here…it usually goes like this.

1. See someone making bed.
2. Jump squarely into center of bed.
3. Help!

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Big Beautiful Door  Oct 29, 2016 • 11:23:57am

re: #138 Emptor scriptor Remorse

Will Huma fall on her sword?

For emailing? Please.


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