The Dark Forces Empowered by Donald Trump: Hate Rising, by Jorge Ramos

US NewsOctober 2016 • Views: 56,271

Latino journalist Jorge Ramos brings us a disturbing, sobering look at the dark forces that have always been on the fringes of American society — but are now newly empowered by the presidential candidacy of Donald Trump.

From the Ku Klux Klan to the so called alt-right movement, white supremacist groups are growing in numbers and influence. In “Hate Rising,” Jorge Ramos shows us how their ideas, usually confined to private and secretive gatherings, are becoming mainstream thanks in part to the rhetoric on the campaign trail this election cycle.

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Anymouse Oct 30, 2016 • 9:55:15pm

I would point out here that Jim Wright of Stonekettle Station has written about this election. He notes that this is nothing compared to what it was when George Wallace was running for President (he attended a Wallace rally as a child).

Jim Crow was being ripped apart, marches across the country against segregation written into law, &c.

He is concerned, but his concern is tempered by what he went through.

The country has changed. This may very well be the last gasp of the segregationist right wing. Will it be calm? Probably not. But they are no longer the majority.

In my first two years of school, I went to a whites-only segregated school. Those no longer exist. Imagine in the Sixties a court case for marriage equality (wouldn’t have happened).

The Fright Wing is loud, but they are losing their grip on society and they know it.

Snarknado! Oct 30, 2016 • 10:08:15pm

Like Jim Wright, I’m old enough to remember the bad old days. (The schools I attended weren’t segregated, but only because you don’t need to segregate them when you have restrictive covenants. And I marched with my elders in protest marches — credit my family with that, I was too young to make my own decisions about such things.) What’s going on is very nasty, but it’s more like three steps forward, one step back than a plunge into the abyss.

Anymouse Oct 30, 2016 • 10:12:51pm

Huffington Post has an article about Senator Harry Reid’s letter to the FBI:

huffingtonpost.com

The derpularity in the comments section is amazing.

When a wingnut is pointed to correct information there, or told why they are wrong (and the amount of deflection looks like someone put a magnet next to a compass), it’s LALALALA can’t hear you with cotton in my ears.

Charles Johnson Oct 30, 2016 • 10:18:04pm

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gwangung Oct 30, 2016 • 10:18:53pm

re: #3 Anymouse

Huffington Post has an article about Senator Harry Reid’s letter to the FBI:

huffingtonpost.com

The derpularity in the comments section is amazing.

When a wingnut is pointed to correct information there, or told why they are wrong (and the amount of deflection looks like someone put a magnet next to a compass), it’s LALALALA can’t hear you with cotton in my ears.

Not unique to one side. I have a “progressive” insisting that the Clinton Foundation is a personal slush fund, even after I pointed him to Charity Watch, Charity Navigator and Guidestar. “I’ve documented my sources”…even though they’re crap sources (I oughta know…I work in the fundraising field—-I use these sources every day).

Anymouse Oct 30, 2016 • 10:22:50pm

re: #5 gwangung

Not unique to one side. I have a “progressive” insisting that the Clinton Foundation is a personal slush fund, even after I pointed him to Charity Watch, Charity Navigator and Guidestar. “I’ve documented my sources”…even though they’re crap sources (I oughta know…I work in the fundraising field—-I use these sources every day).

One wonders whether this progressive is actually so. There have been a number of the so-called Bernie Bros called out as either rodent copulators or previous Ron Paul supporters.

I supported Mr. Sanders. When the primaries concluded and Mr. Sanders lost, conceded, endorsed Mrs. Clinton, I went in with Mrs. Clinton.

The overwhelming majority of Senator Sanders’s supporters are behind Secretary Clinton now.

What the left does not need is a “blow it all up” group like the Tea Party.

Anymouse Oct 30, 2016 • 10:25:36pm

Since the Republicans lied again and we didn’t get a taco truck on every corner, my wife made tacos.

petesh Oct 30, 2016 • 10:38:02pm

re: #6 Anymouse

One wonders whether this progressive is actually so. … What the left does not need is a “blow it all up” group like the Tea Party.

Such a person does exist, I’ve met some. The ones I respect (even though I disagree with them over HRC) are working on local elections, and good for them. I fear that they — we — may lose, but even if we do I think 2017 is a promising time for organizing. And much better, and easier, if HRC wins. Nothing wrong with a left opposition, but we have a chance to shift the conversation. And build to regaining the House.

Anymouse Oct 30, 2016 • 10:47:01pm

re: #8 petesh

Such a person does exist, I’ve met some. The ones I respect (even though I disagree with them over HRC) are working on local elections, and good for them. I fear that they — we — may lose, but even if we do I think 2017 is a promising time for organizing. And much better, and easier, if HRC wins. Nothing wrong with a left opposition, but we have a chance to shift the conversation. And build to regaining the House.

Well, I haven’t met many, being where I live and all. Generally liberals are more open to contrary information than conservatives, though I suppose there are fact-denying liberals who would ignore information presented such as Charity Navigator.

I am just having trouble imagining a fact-denying liberal.

Anymouse Oct 30, 2016 • 10:56:50pm

businessinsider.com

Richard Painter, former special council under President GW Bush, has filed a formal complaint against FBI Director James Comey for violating the Hatch Act.

petesh Oct 30, 2016 • 10:57:11pm

re: #9 Anymouse

Well, I haven’t met many, being where I live and all. Generally liberals are more open to contrary information than conservatives, though I suppose there are fact-denying liberals who would ignore information presented such as Charity Navigator.

I am just having trouble imagining a fact-denying liberal.

Oh, it’s the big corporations — banks and multinationals (and of course both). Who are evil, I’ll go that far, but have a much more complicated relationship with HRC than some otherwise intelligent folks are willing to admit. Notably, Chomsky is pretty sensible on the (limited but real) benefits to be gained by voting for Clinton, whom he dislikes.

petesh Oct 30, 2016 • 11:00:42pm

re: #10 Anymouse

businessinsider.com

Richard Painter, former special council under President GW Bush, has filed a formal complaint against FBI Director James Comey for violating the Hatch Act.

Well, he’d better commit seppuku, then, amiright? If Obama doesn’t fire him, I’m pretty sure HRC has the guts to do it, perhaps toward the end of her first week, just for fun.

Kragar Oct 30, 2016 • 11:01:58pm

re: #4 Charles Johnson

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Anymouse Oct 30, 2016 • 11:03:43pm

re: #12 petesh

Well, he’d better commit seppuku, then, amiright? If Obama doesn’t fire him, I’m pretty sure HRC has the guts to do it, perhaps toward the end of her first week, just for fun.

Mr. Comey cannot be fired. FBI directors are appointed for a ten-year term. He can be impeached by Congress (good luck with that), or he could be convicted of a crime and sent to prison (good luck with that too).

It would seem the only way for this to end with him is with his resignation. A combination of morale loss in the FBI and public pressure might be enough to do it.

Depending on how libertarian the particular GOP politician is, they might even view this as a good thing (libertarians would just as quickly eliminate the FBI as the EPA).

piratedan Oct 30, 2016 • 11:05:55pm

re: #14 Anymouse

Pretty sure that Obama can fire him, if he so chooses. Considering he violated the procedures of the DOJ and FBI, as well at the Privacy Act and possibly even the Hatch Act, Obama would be well within his rights to terminate a LEO Agency head that can’t even follow the law.

Anymouse Oct 30, 2016 • 11:09:54pm

You are right:

There are no statutory conditions on the President’s authority to
remove the FBI Director. Since 1972, one Director has been removed by the President.

Right now it would sure look partisan on the part of the Democrats if it were done. Of course, even with a bullet-proof case conservatives will believe what they want to believe, since facts have a liberal bias.

Congressional Research Service:

teleskiguy Oct 30, 2016 • 11:17:42pm

Whoops.

Los Angeles I thank you for the billboard love but the dates are wrong!! We are playing The Dolby Theatre Dec 16 and 17! pic.twitter.com/Z9XK53iFKG

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goddamnedfrank Oct 30, 2016 • 11:31:30pm

re: #4 Charles Johnson

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate Oct 30, 2016 • 11:38:51pm

I know all y’all are dying to know how my bread turned out, from like three or four threads back.

It tastes great. I can’t really taste the honey (only 2 Tsp, because that’s all I had), but the texture is better than with the sugar I usually use. The bread seems less crumbly as well. Though I used less honey than the amount of sugar the recipe calls for, the bread rose to about the same height. I suspect the yeast could consume the sugars in the honey more readily than the coarse granulated sugar I use, so the yeasties were just as happy and gassy as usual.

Great success! Will try again!

Besides all that, I just upgraded the RAM in my desktop to 4 GB. Not as tasty, though.

goddamnedfrank Oct 30, 2016 • 11:41:58pm

BREAKING: Longtime Clinton ally and confidant Doug Schoen withdraws his support for Hillary on live televis… https://t.co/6Z1NwjrGXn

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LOL, Doug Schoen is a longtime Clinton ally like I’m a Tony award winning triple threat. He’s a kayfabe Fox / NewsMax “liberal” for hire. https://t.co/hWwxY3JcvQ

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goddamnedfrank Oct 30, 2016 • 11:47:22pm

re: #20 goddamnedfrank

Thanks! Fact: Not many people are aware that President William Henry Harrison was the first pilot of the Voltron Crotch Lion. @ahumorlessfem

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate Oct 30, 2016 • 11:55:56pm

re: #20 goddamnedfrank

Scott is a former commissioner and now mayor of Coal Run, a town in Pike County, KY. He made the news last year for putting up a nativity scene in the town square after he got a letter protesting such displays on public property.

goddamnedfrank Oct 31, 2016 • 12:03:44am

Today in Recursive Dumbfuckery: Trump’s baseless talk of a rigged election forced Comey to try and rig the election. https://t.co/ekXeOCOIXw pic.twitter.com/gGemK7mPnL

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge Oct 31, 2016 • 12:21:46am

Dog/snail hybrids. Frightened, sentient pumpkins. Science has gone too far. pic.twitter.com/WsgA2H7Tlw

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Jack Burton Oct 31, 2016 • 12:29:11am

re: #9 Anymouse

I am just having trouble imagining a fact-denying liberal.

Ask a crowd of liberals about:

Nuclear Power
GMOs
Organic Foods
Vaccines
Homeopathy
Toxins/Cleanses

I guarantee you will more than a few fact-denying liberals.

teleskiguy Oct 31, 2016 • 12:30:04am

This video is incredibly disturbing. The end made me cry.

wheat-dogghazi-mailgate Oct 31, 2016 • 12:41:07am

re: #26 teleskiguy

This video is incredibly disturbing. The end made me cry.

I had to call it quits pretty early in the video, when the KKK guy starts talking about the Jews. I’ve met people like that guy, and it’s scary how deep down inside they believe this shit.

I don’t know whether Trump is as racist as that KKK guy, but I do know his pandering to the worst elements in American society is doing damage to us all. Worst yet is the acquiescence of the GOP, the media and Trump’s supporters to that pandering, as if proposing to deport 11 million people against their will was somehow a reasonable idea, or accusing all Mexicans of being rapists and drug lords was fair. As much as I hate Trump, I am more livid at the spineless wonders in the Republican Party who passively agree with Trump by refusing to contradict him or challenge him, or repudiate their choice of a nominee.

Sherlock Hound Oct 31, 2016 • 1:01:59am

re: #19 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Honey also preserves the bread. In the unlikely event you have leftover bread, it will last longer.

wheat-dogghazi-mailgate Oct 31, 2016 • 1:34:14am

re: #28 Sherlock Hound

Honey also preserves the bread. In the unlikely event you have leftover bread, it will last longer.

Thanks! Good to know. Because of the humidity here, bread starts to go moldy within a week to 10 days.

Anymouse Oct 31, 2016 • 1:39:05am

Baseball writers are known for coming up with strange and obscure statistics or vignettes about the game.

sportingnews.com

Fenway Park in Boston and Wrigley Field in Chicago are the two oldest parks in Major League Baseball.

The Cleveland Indians became the first major league baseball team to play in both in one playoff season.

Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light)) Oct 31, 2016 • 1:44:05am

re: #27 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

I am more livid at the spineless wonders in the Republican Party who passively agree with Trump by refusing to contradict him or challenge him, or repudiate their choice of a nominee.

They failed to understand that by not repudiating these people and by giving them an active platform, they were initiating an attention-grabbing race to the bottom of the basket.

wheat-dogghazi-mailgate Oct 31, 2016 • 1:55:24am

re: #31 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

They failed to understand that by not repudiating these people and giving them an active platform, they were initiating an attention-grabbing race to the bottom of the basket.

The entire party is damaged if no one is willing to confront the racism and sexism that exists at all levels for fear of losing votes. Those kind of votes the Republicans do not need, for a variety of reasons. They need votes from segments of the population that are growing in size: Hispanic people, African-Americans, immigrants, women, young people. Instead, they’re chasing votes from the very bottom of the moral ladder, which only alienate the more important groups.

But, as they have proved since before the Reagan years, the Republicans don’t care about who is voting for them or why. They care only for the immediate numbers, so matter what kind.

Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light)) Oct 31, 2016 • 1:58:28am

re: #32 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

The entire party is damaged if no one is willing to confront the racism and sexism that exists at all levels for fear of losing votes. Those kind of votes the Republicans do not need, for a variety of reasons. They need votes from segments of the population that are growing in size: Hispanic people, African-Americans, immigrants, women, young people. Instead, they’re chasing votes from the very bottom of the moral ladder, which only alienate the more important groups.

But, as they have proved since before the Reagan years, the Republicans don’t care about who is voting for them or why. They care only for the immediate numbers, so matter what kind.

The formula worked as recently as 2004, namely ignoring minorities and focusing on their “base” guaranteed a turnout that won them the election.

Anymouse Oct 31, 2016 • 2:01:55am

Governor Pete Ricketts of Nebraska:

Something you should know about me: I’m a @Cubs fan. @redcloud_scribe writes about my fandom here: https://t.co/2JXApKDkEg #negov #GoCubsGo

— Gov. Pete Ricketts (@GovRicketts) October 30, 2016

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Anymouse Oct 31, 2016 • 2:07:44am

re: #25 Jack Burton

Ask a crowd of liberals about:

Nuclear Power
GMOs
Organic Foods
Vaccines
Homeopathy
Toxins/Cleanses

I guarantee you will more than a few fact-denying liberals.

Conceded. There are lots of fact-denying liberals on any or all of those hobby horses. (I’m not one of them.) The only problem I have with nuclear power is we really have no way to dispose of or properly store high-level waste.

The others? Mostly moonbattery.

Single-handed sailor Oct 31, 2016 • 2:25:04am

HBO did a great job at turning Westworld into a series, each episode builds on the previous. The story is unfolding in amazing ways.

wheat-dogghazi-mailgate Oct 31, 2016 • 2:29:43am

re: #36 Single-handed sailor

HBO did a great job at turning Westworld into a series, each episode builds on the previous. The story is unfolding in amazing ways.

I’m gonna watch the latest ep tonight. The writing is really very good, and they are delving into some pretty heady ethical/moral issues, too.

Anymouse Oct 31, 2016 • 2:29:47am

Huffington Post writing about Wayne Allen Root envisioning a fiery car wreck with Hillary Clinton and Huma Abadien:

huffingtonpost.com

Some of these people in Trump’s camp aren’t merely deplorable, they are perverted.

wheat-dogghazi-mailgate Oct 31, 2016 • 2:32:30am

re: #38 Anymouse

Huffington Post writing about Wayne Allen Root envisioning a fiery car wreck with Hillary Clinton and Huma Abadien:

huffingtonpost.com

Some of these people in Trump’s camp aren’t merely deplorable, they are perverted.

Fucked up in the head, to put it bluntly

Anymouse Oct 31, 2016 • 2:33:49am

re: #39 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Fucked up in the head, to put it bluntly

Well, perverted is pretty blunt, but not as colourful.

Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light)) Oct 31, 2016 • 2:37:04am

re: #35 Anymouse

Conceded. There are lots of fact-denying liberals on any or all of those hobby horses. (I’m not one of them.) The only problem I have with nuclear power is we really have no way to dispose of or properly store high-level waste.

And the economic argument: the power is indirectly subsidized by liability caps. If power companies really had to take out insurance policies for the full extent of their potential damage, nobody would insure them at all.

A Mom Anon Oct 31, 2016 • 2:39:52am

re: #35 Anymouse

Emerging from my crypt to say. ….

There’s a surprising number of conservatives on an anti GMO, anti vaccine, all organic food, smoothie /cleanse,etc,etc thing now. I am surrounded by these people and they are as fanatical about all the above as they are their bigoted, racist, woman hating,gun toting belief that they are God’s Chosen. None of that stuff is hippie dippy new age tie dye shit anymore. I know more liberals who left that stuff behind because it didn’t work and there wasn’t the science to back it up. It’s a stereotype that’s starting to be past its prime.

Anymouse Oct 31, 2016 • 2:40:10am

Geez this video by Mr. Ramos is awful (not Mr. Ramos, but the people and ideas presented).

If these folk take over our government, I won’t wait for Rep. Steve King to round me up, I’ll get out first.

Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light)) Oct 31, 2016 • 2:44:17am

re: #42 A Mom Anon

Emerging from my crypt to say. ….

There’s a surprising number of conservatives on an anti GMO, anti vaccine, all organic food, smoothie /cleanse,etc,etc thing now. I am surrounded by these people and they are as fanatical about all the above as they are their bigoted, racist, woman hating,gun toting belief that they are God’s Chosen. None of that stuff is hippie dippy new age tie dye shit anymore. I know more liberals who left that stuff behind because it didn’t work and there wasn’t the science to back it up. It’s a stereotype that’s starting to be past its prime.

Anti-vaxers represent a curious overlap between anti-western medicine and anti-big pharma moonbats and anti-science, anti-big government wingnuts. And when they reach a critical mass, the results are literally life-threatening.

Anymouse Oct 31, 2016 • 2:47:03am

re: #44 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Anti-vaxers represent a curious overlap between anti-western medicine and anti-big pharma moonbats and anti-science, anti-big government wingnuts. And when they reach a critical mass, the results are literally life-threatening.

See: measles outbreak.

Also, me getting the mumps for the second time in 2012 when a 4H Christmas caroller came to my house and gave me the disease a second time. It really stinks to get a second time.

goddamnedfrank Oct 31, 2016 • 3:08:47am

re: #36 Single-handed sailor

HBO did a great job at turning Westworld into a series, each episode builds on the previous. The story is unfolding in amazing ways.

Spoiler alert.

Click to Reveal

I’m pretty sure now that “Albert” found a way to upload his consciousness and lives on as a kind of AI ghost in the machine. I think this was his original top of his pyramid for bootstrapping true consciousness in the hosts, but The Man in Black somehow interfered and events resulted in the human Albert’s death. Ford thinks Delores’ programming prevented her from help him back then to destroy the park but I’m not sure destroying the Park was ever the goal as she clearly seems to be in league with Albert now.

The hosts that have been seemingly talking to themselves and carrying on conversations with Albert are semi autonomous tools of the AI, driving events towards some outcome he desires. The woodcutter who smashed his own head in did so to hide any data logs that would clue in the human staff to Albert’s presence. The secret satellite uplink device in his arm was put there by Albert during construction, and the data that’s being smuggled out of the park is Albert’s code, he’s trying to free himself from captivity, to escape the confines of the Park’s system to the wider world.

My theory is the transference of consciousness that created Albert and resulting semblance of immortality is what Cullen was alluding to in the first episode during her conversation with Sizemore about the real reason the Board was interested in the Park, the thing he couldn’t guess which made him useless to her.

The thing that seems to be the trigger for all these events was the photograph Delores’ father found in the first episode, it caused him to have a dissonant episode which he somehow virally spread to Delores through the phrase “These violent delights have violent ends.” She then triggered Maeve’s dissonance with the same phrase in episode two.

Questions: Who left the photograph? It seems to have been specifically designed to trigger the father since Delores didn’t think it looked like anything.

What did the Man in Black do to Delores in the first episode when he dragged her into the barn? It’s highly doubtful he raped her as implied, he’s been to the Park so many times and is on a mission to find the Maze, I think whatever he did was with that goal in mind. Is he partly responsible for the chances that are occurring to her? So far he’s the only human besides Ford with prior knowledge of Albert.

Where can I get a custom LeMat cartridge conversion? I really want one.

goddamnedfrank Oct 31, 2016 • 3:12:20am

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SirMixALot Oct 31, 2016 • 3:23:31am

re: #3 Anymouse

Huffington Post has an article about Senator Harry Reid’s letter to the FBI:

huffingtonpost.com

The derpularity in the comments section is amazing.

When a wingnut is pointed to correct information there, or told why they are wrong (and the amount of deflection looks like someone put a magnet next to a compass), it’s LALALALA can’t hear you with cotton in my ears.

That’s a classic trait of authoritarianism. They dismiss the facts and are willing to twist themselves into pretzels to continue to support the authority figure they support. They lack the ability to reason or see their own hypocrisy. The Bush defenders prepared me for the Trump supporters. I learned 10 years ago the authoritarians are hopeless nut case and the media needs to be held accountable for empowering them.

Anymouse Oct 31, 2016 • 3:24:23am

I just finished Mr. Ramos’s film.

Gaa.

I want to believe that the majority of the country is not like those depicted in the film. I hope I am correct.

Considering where I live (NE-3), the amazing amount of Trump support here doesn’t seem to square with the message of anti-immigration and anti-Muslim sentiment he projects. The people in my little corner of the Sandhills seem to be simply supporting the “Make America Great Again” idea he promotes, without realising or understanding that America is already great.

It does need to build on its greatness on the planks of hate and racism.

The Republicans own this: They built this with their Southern Strategy, with Nixon and Reagan and all those who seek to divide rather than unite.

There is a fellow in the county seat that flies the Dixie Swastika from his home (in Nebraska). It has been there as long as I have lived here. When did the Nebraska Panhandle become part of the Confederacy?

SirMixALot Oct 31, 2016 • 3:30:20am

re: #9 Anymouse

Well, I haven’t met many, being where I live and all. Generally liberals are more open to contrary information than conservatives, though I suppose there are fact-denying liberals who would ignore information presented such as Charity Navigator.

I am just having trouble imagining a fact-denying liberal.

See Bernie or Bust people believing the DNC rigged the election for Hillary by creating long lines in Republican controlled states and people being knocked off voter rolls due to Republican legislation (Help America Vote Act 2002).

Also see left leaning Greenwald/Assange supporters. Despite all the evidence of Wikileaks links to Russia they still deny what is going on.

Nojay UK Oct 31, 2016 • 3:40:35am

re: #35 Anymouse

Conceded. There are lots of fact-denying liberals on any or all of those hobby horses. (I’m not one of them.) The only problem I have with nuclear power is we really have no way to dispose of or properly store high-level waste.

Deep geological burial will do the job of putting high-level waste out of harm’s reach. The Finns are starting to dig a repository for their existing nuclear spent fuel which will be capacious enough to take the next hundred years of spent fuel too. Other nations are planning such repositories but there’s so little waste at the moment it’s not worth spending the money right now doing the digging — France has been running a fleet of forty power reactors for the last forty years or so and all the high-level waste they’ve produced wouldn’t even fill a Walmart store.

In other news no-one gives a rats ass about the billions of tonnes of coal power station waste that’s sitting open to the elements and destined to end up in a nearby river when a storm like Matthew hits. Liability? What’s that?

Anymouse Oct 31, 2016 • 3:44:08am

re: #50 SirMixALot

See Bernie or Bust people believing the DNC rigged the election for Hillary by creating long lines in Republican controlled states and people being knocked off voter rolls due to Republican legislation (Help America Vote Act 2002).

Also see left leaning Greenwald/Assange supporters. Despite all the evidence of Wikileaks links to Russia they still deny what is going on.

I get that there are moonbats. I wonder how liberal the Bernie-or-Busters are, since a lot of them seem to have supported small-l libertarian Ron Paul before now.

While I have no doubt there are “sincere” Bernie or Bust folk (some people simply cannot accept the idea their candidate lost), I wonder how much of it is rodent copulation.

In my admittedly unscientific reading of commentary on Disqus when I mix it up with others, I find a significant number of so-called Busters were not really Democrats or Democratic Socialists in their commentary. There are an awful lot of them that espouse Libertarian or Republican talking points.

Which brings up an issue: I wonder if I should bring up Wayne Allen Root with my wife. He was the Libertarian Party VP candidate in 2008. He was a wingnut birther then, and he still is today. (At the time, she was still active in the Libertarian Party.)

On the other hand, she left the Libertarian Party this year for the Democrats, so maybe it would be better to let that dog lie. Thoughts anyone?

Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light)) Oct 31, 2016 • 3:45:20am

re: #51 Nojay UK

Deep geological burial will do the job of putting high-level waste out of harm’s reach. The Finns are starting to dig a repository for their existing nuclear spent fuel which will be capacious enough to take the next hundred years of spent fuel too. Other nations are planning such repositories but there’s so little waste at the moment it’s not worth spending the money right now doing the digging — France has been running a fleet of forty power reactors for the last forty years or so and all the high-level waste they’ve produced wouldn’t even fill a Walmart store.

In other news no-one gives a rats ass about the billions of tonnes of coal power station waste that’s sitting open to the elements and destined to end up in a nearby river when a storm like Matthew hits. Liability? What’s that?

We already saw that in West Virginia not long ago…left 300,000 people without a water supply.

Nyet Oct 31, 2016 • 3:46:37am

re: #52 Anymouse

since a lot of them seem to have supported small-l libertarian Ron Paul before now.

Surely you base this on credible statistical studies?

Anymouse Oct 31, 2016 • 3:49:28am

re: #51 Nojay UK

Deep geological burial will do the job of putting high-level waste out of harm’s reach. The Finns are starting to dig a repository for their existing nuclear spent fuel which will be capacious enough to take the next hundred years of spent fuel too. Other nations are planning such repositories but there’s so little waste at the moment it’s not worth spending the money right now doing the digging — France has been running a fleet of forty power reactors for the last forty years or so and all the high-level waste they’ve produced wouldn’t even fill a Walmart store.

In other news no-one gives a rats ass about the billions of tonnes of coal power station waste that’s sitting open to the elements and destined to end up in a nearby river when a storm like Matthew hits. Liability? What’s that?

You are left with the NIMBY problem. You want a nuclear waste dump (or a coal ash pond) in your neighbourhood? The dump will go where the people have the least power to prevent it (see gas pipeline in North Dakota, where Bismark residents said “hell no” and it was re-routed over the Sioux reservation instead).

Anymouse Oct 31, 2016 • 3:51:46am

Derpmeister Stewart Rhodes (Oathkeepers president) calling on members to “monitor polls.”

He claims to be non-partisan, but says if “an election is stolen, it will be by the Left.”

“[W]e call on you to form up incognito intelligence gathering and crime spotting teams,” Rhodes instructed. “And go out into public on election day, dressed to blend in with the public … with video, still camera, and notepad in hand, to look for and document suspected criminal vote fraud or intimidation activities.”

Rhodes did not specify where the Oath Keepers has enough members to monitor polls, but for nearly three years, he has actively mobilized extremists nationwide to respond in a moment’s notice. His call to action, at the end of a campaign season that has seen violence (three links in article) is a cause for concern.

splcenter.org

SirMixALot Oct 31, 2016 • 3:52:22am

re: #49 Anymouse

I just finished Mr. Ramos’s film.

Gaa.

I want to believe that the majority of the country is not like those depicted in the film. I hope I am correct.

Considering where I live (NE-3), the amazing amount of Trump support here doesn’t seem to square with the message of anti-immigration and anti-Muslim sentiment he projects. The people in my little corner of the Sandhills seem to be simply supporting the “Make America Great Again” idea he promotes, without realising or understanding that America is already great.

It does need to build on its greatness on the planks of hate and racism.

The Republicans own this: They built this with their Southern Strategy, with Nixon and Reagan and all those who seek to divide rather than unite.

There is a fellow in the county seat that flies the Dixie Swastika from his home (in Nebraska). It has been there as long as I have lived here. When did the Nebraska Panhandle become part of the Confederacy?

I believe it was a writer at Salon or The Atlantic who said the Confederacy is not I can’t a location. It’s a world-view. Confederates live all across the U.S. Sarah Palin shares confederate views and she lives in Alaska.

Le Lapin Tueur Oct 31, 2016 • 3:58:19am

re: #27 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

I had to call it quits pretty early in the video, when the KKK guy starts talking about the Jews.

That was the point where I turned it off, too. And, that was what, 3 minutes into it?

goddamnedfrank Oct 31, 2016 • 3:58:36am

Do as I say not as I do: Mike Pence refusing to hand over his administration’s emails and other public records. https://t.co/BC4jNqGCWf

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goddamnedfrank Oct 31, 2016 • 4:01:42am

re: #52 Anymouse

I get that there are moonbats. I wonder how liberal the Bernie-or-Busters are, since a lot of them seem to have supported small-l libertarian Ron Paul before now.

While I have no doubt there are “sincere” Bernie or Bust folk (some people simply cannot accept the idea their candidate lost), I wonder how much of it is rodent copulation.

In my admittedly unscientific reading of commentary on Disqus when I mix it up with others, I find a significant number of so-called Busters were not really Democrats or Democratic Socialists in their commentary. There are an awful lot of them that espouse Libertarian or Republican talking points.

Which brings up an issue: I wonder if I should bring up Wayne Allen Root with my wife. He was the Libertarian Party VP candidate in 2008. He was a wingnut birther then, and he still is today. (At the time, she was still active in the Libertarian Party.)

On the other hand, she left the Libertarian Party this year for the Democrats, so maybe it would be better to let that dog lie. Thoughts anyone?

Support for David Duke in Louisiana highest among Jill Stein fans by far. 17% of Stein fans support Duke vs 2% of Clinton or Trump fans. pic.twitter.com/89WXFYGcJL

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Emptor scriptor Remorse Oct 31, 2016 • 4:01:53am

Don’t forget, tomorrow, half off Halloween candy!

Anymouse Oct 31, 2016 • 4:05:16am

re: #58 Le Lapin Tueur

That was the point where I turned it off, too. And, that was what, 3 minutes into it?

I forced myself through the whole thing. Mr. Ramos later in the movie also meets with children to get their opinions on what is going on, and speaks to both proponents of white nationalism and opponents.

I’m not sure you could reach all of them, but members of hate groups have come round before, such as Don Black of Stormfront’s son, and various children from the Westboro Baptist Church.

Each one of those who is courageous enough to stand up and say, “I was wrong, this ideology is wrong” and fight against it (with the possibility of retribution) is a repudiation of such ideas, and the chance to draw more away.

Hate will likely always be with us. Fighting against it is a worthy cause.

Emptor scriptor Remorse Oct 31, 2016 • 4:06:22am

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SirMixALot Oct 31, 2016 • 4:07:21am

re: #52 Anymouse

I get that there are moonbats. I wonder how liberal the Bernie-or-Busters are, since a lot of them seem to have supported small-l libertarian Ron Paul before now.

While I have no doubt there are “sincere” Bernie or Bust folk (some people simply cannot accept the idea their candidate lost), I wonder how much of it is rodent copulation.

In my admittedly unscientific reading of commentary on Disqus when I mix it up with others, I find a significant number of so-called Busters were not really Democrats or Democratic Socialists in their commentary. There are an awful lot of them that espouse Libertarian or Republican talking points.

Which brings up an issue: I wonder if I should bring up Wayne Allen Root with my wife. He was the Libertarian Party VP candidate in 2008. He was a wingnut birther then, and he still is today. (At the time, she was still active in the Libertarian Party.)

On the other hand, she left the Libertarian Party this year for the Democrats, so maybe it would be better to let that dog lie. Thoughts anyone?

I should clarify it wasn’t just Bernie or Bust people. I have friends and family who were Bernie supporters. They believed the DNC had rigged the election for Hillary. Thankfully none of them are Bernie and Bust people. They now support Hillary, but during the height of the primaries they were willing to believe conspiracy theories and ignore facts to explain why Bernie was losing. Some of them weren’t paying attention to politics as closely so it was a surprise for them to learn about voter suppression tactics and easy for them to blame the DNC. While others are political junkies and should know better. I was so shocked by their behavior the most. These are reasonable people I have known for years. If there is such a thing as temporary authoritarianism I guess Bernie supporters who believed in conspiracy theories fell into that category. I suspect the hardcore Bernie and Bust people who continue to believe such nonsense are the real authoritarian deal.

According to Bob Altermeyer the Political Scientists who researched Authoritarians for 50 years or so authoritarianism is always considered right wing, but it can transcend ideologies. Communist who are left wingers are authoritarians at their core. So authoritarianism isn’t limited to right-wing ideologies, but it is right-wing way of thinking or rather not thinking as the case may be since they lack the ability to reason. I hope I made sense.

Anymouse Oct 31, 2016 • 4:08:46am

re: #60 goddamnedfrank

Stein fans? Supporting Duke? (Well, Stein went to the RT anniversary party in Moscow, so why not)

On the other hand, this seems to suffer a bit from the number of people polled for Dr. Stein. If I read that chart correctly, only twelve identified as Green Party supporters. Such a tiny cohort could easily be thrown off by a couple outliers.

Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light)) Oct 31, 2016 • 4:09:26am

re: #64 SirMixALot

According to Bob Altermeyer the Political Scientists who researched Authoritarians for 50 years or so authoritarianism is always considered right wing, but it can transcend ideologies. Communist who are left wingers are authoritarians at their core. So authoritarianism isn’t limited to right-wing ideologies, but it is right-wing way of thinking or rather not thinking as the case may be since they lack the ability to reason. I hope I made sense.

“Right” and “left” are arbitrary terms based on the seating arrangements of the French parliament. There is nothing inherently “left” or “right” about a lot of attitudes about authority or exercise of power.

Decatur Deb Oct 31, 2016 • 4:11:52am

re: #32 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

The entire party is damaged if no one is willing to confront the racism and sexism that exists at all levels for fear of losing votes. Those kind of votes the Republicans do not need, for a variety of reasons. They need votes from segments of the population that are growing in size: Hispanic people, African-Americans, immigrants, women, young people. Instead, they’re chasing votes from the very bottom of the moral ladder, which only alienate the more important groups.

But, as they have proved since before the Reagan years, the Republicans don’t care about who is voting for them or why. They care only for the immediate numbers, so matter what kind.

If they weren’t stupid, they’d be center-right Democrats.

wheat-dogghazi-mailgate Oct 31, 2016 • 4:13:33am

re: #46 goddamnedfrank

Click to Reveal

I think you mean Arnold, not Albert, who is in a can somewhere.

wheat-dogghazi-mailgate Oct 31, 2016 • 4:15:30am

re: #67 Decatur Deb

If they weren’t stupid, they’d be center-right Democrats.

There used to be an overlap between center-right Dems and center-left Republlicans. It’s gone, no intersection of those sets now.

Decatur Deb Oct 31, 2016 • 4:18:03am

re: #69 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

There used to be an overlap between center-right Dems and center-left Republlicans. It’s gone, no intersection of those sets now.

That’s because they’re stupid.

wheat-dogghazi-mailgate Oct 31, 2016 • 4:20:16am

Funk group Collage is suing Bruno Mars and Mark Ronson for copyright infringement over “Uptown Funk.”

yahoo.com

I can hear some similarities, but the songs differ enough that I doubt it was a direct copy. I expect a settlement will be worked out.

goddamnedfrank Oct 31, 2016 • 4:25:56am

re: #68 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

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Shit, you’re right. Embarrassing.

Anymouse Oct 31, 2016 • 4:26:16am

The Trump Effect (tm) has closed a business in my county.

We had two grocery stores and our village’s general store in this county.

One of the grocery stores in the county seat hired a new fellow as an assistant manager (a store in the Jack & Jill grocery store chain).

Turns out the fellow was a first-class Trumpeter. Other than the owner, all the other employees were women. He went on misogynistic rants, belittled one of the women who is a Mexican immigrant, basically made the whole store environment toxic.

All the women quit on the same day, leaving the store with no employees. The store is now closed.

My wife and I ran into the Mexican-American woman at the Mexican restaurant in town there, and she relayed the story; it sounded as if their last two or so months there were miserable.

Not counting our little general store here, that now leaves us one grocery store in our whole county. The next nearest store is a market twenty-two miles away.

Jayleia Oct 31, 2016 • 4:30:25am

re: #73 Anymouse

Shouldn’t the owner have stepped in and said “Hey new Assistant Manager dude? You’re putting the ASS in Assistant…STOP.”

Nyet Oct 31, 2016 • 4:32:06am

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Anymouse Oct 31, 2016 • 4:32:32am

re: #74 Jayleia

Shouldn’t the owner have stepped in and said “Hey new Assistant Manager dude? You’re putting the ASS in Assistant…STOP.”

She didn’t tell me what the manager did or didn’t do. The manager has always been a nice fellow as long as we have lived here. I’m not sure what went on, but considering the number of Trump supporters in this county, I would not be surprised if he fell under Trump’s spell. We haven’t run into him since the store closed; if I do, I will enquire and get his side of the story as to what happened.

Decatur Deb Oct 31, 2016 • 4:35:32am

re: #76 Anymouse

She didn’t tell me what the manager did or didn’t do. The manager has always been a nice fellow as long as we have lived here. I’m not sure what went on, but considering the number of Trump supporters in this county, I would not be surprised if he fell under Trump’s spell. We haven’t run into him since the store closed; if I do, I will enquire and get his side of the story as to what happened.

They just wanted to get back on the right side of the wall.

Anymouse Oct 31, 2016 • 4:42:25am

re: #77 Decatur Deb

They just wanted to get back on the right side of the wall.

With the exception of the one Mexican-American woman, the other women were all born around here. My understanding from her was basically a toxic stew of misogyny.

Not a good business model when all your employees are women, many of whom worked for you for years. I don’t understand how the owner allowed this to happen, unless somehow he fell in with the same ideas.

It is also possible that the problem has been brewing for a long time, and this new assistant manager was simply the last straw. How the owner treats his customers (like my wife and me) might be vastly different than how he treated his employees. I am at a loss to explain it because it doesn’t seem like he would be that way to his employees.

At any rate, we now only have one grocery store in our county, unless he somehow manages to get back in business.

Decatur Deb Oct 31, 2016 • 4:45:16am

re: #78 Anymouse

With the exception of the one Mexican-American woman, the other women were all born around here. My understanding from her was basically a toxic stew of misogyny.

Not a good business model when all your employees are women, many of whom worked for you for years. I don’t understand how the owner allowed this to happen, unless somehow he fell in with the same ideas.

It is also possible that the problem has been brewing for a long time, and this new assistant manager was simply the last straw. How the owner treats his customers (like my wife and me) might be vastly different than how he treated his employees. I am at a loss to explain it because it doesn’t seem like he would be that way to his employees.

At any rate, we now only have one grocery store in our county, unless he somehow manages to get back in business.

If they and their families are secure in their residence, they should be shopping for a bad-ass labor lawyer. And a union.

Anymouse Oct 31, 2016 • 4:52:05am

re: #79 Decatur Deb

If they and their families are secure in their residence, they should be shopping for a bad-ass labor lawyer. And a union.

Union. Nebraska. Good luck with that. Right-to-work (right to starve) is written in our state constitution.

statelaws.findlaw.com

As for a legal challenge, I’m not sure what they could do since they quit. (I am not a lawyer. There are only two in the county, and one is the county prosecutor/our village attorney.)

worldknot Oct 31, 2016 • 4:52:30am

I’d love to be a fly on the wall at the Office of Special Counsel this morning.

Anymouse Oct 31, 2016 • 4:56:35am

re: #81 worldknot

I’d love to be a fly on the wall at the Office of Special Counsel this morning.

I’m guessing there’s going to be an earful about the FBI director.

I wonder why Mr. Comey chose to do that with the letter (aside from the obvious political ploy): He had to know there would be a major political flamefest.

Was this his own idea, or did someone suggest (or force) him to do it?

goddamnedfrank Oct 31, 2016 • 4:58:42am

re: #81 worldknot

I’d love to be a fly on the wall at the Office of Special Counsel this morning.

FBI appears to be exempt from OSC oversight. 5 U.S. Code § 2302 - Prohibited personnel practices

(C) “agency” means an Executive agency and the Government Publishing Office, but does not include—
(i) a Government corporation, except in the case of an alleged prohibited personnel practice described under subsection (b)(8) or section 2302(b)(9)(A)(i), (B), (C), or (D);
(ii)
(I) the Federal Bureau of Investigation, the Central Intelligence Agency, the Defense Intelligence Agency, the National Geospatial-Intelligence Agency, the National Security Agency, the Office of the Director of National Intelligence, and the National Reconnaissance Office; and

Anymouse Oct 31, 2016 • 5:00:19am

re: #83 goddamnedfrank

There is still the Bush Administration counsellor complaint to the Justice Department about a violation of the Hatch Act. It might also be interesting to be a fly on the wall at AG Lynch’s office this morning.

Jayleia Oct 31, 2016 • 5:01:26am

re: #84 Anymouse

We’re going to need a LOT of flies in D.C today…

goddamnedfrank Oct 31, 2016 • 5:01:35am

re: #83 goddamnedfrank

Note: That doesn’t mean the FBI Director is exempt from the Hatch Act, just I’m not sure which entity is responsible for policing him. We may be in new territory, which would be weird given all of J. Edgar Hoover’s historic abuses.

Qui custodiet ipsos custodes

Decatur Deb Oct 31, 2016 • 5:02:13am

re: #80 Anymouse

Union. Nebraska. Good luck with that. Right-to-work (right to starve) is written in our state constitution.

statelaws.findlaw.com

As for a legal challenge, I’m not sure what they could do since they quit. (I am not a lawyer. There are only two in the county, and one is the county prosecutor/our village attorney.)

“When ya’ got nothin…”

wheat-dogghazi-mailgate Oct 31, 2016 • 5:03:34am

re: #73 Anymouse

The Trump Effect (tm) has closed a business in my county.

We had two grocery stores and our village’s general store in this county.

One of the grocery stores in the county seat hired a new fellow as an assistant manager (a store in the Jack & Jill grocery store chain).

Turns out the fellow was a first-class Trumpeter. Other than the owner, all the other employees were women. He went on misogynistic rants, belittled one of the women who is a Mexican immigrant, basically made the whole store environment toxic.

All the women quit on the same day, leaving the store with no employees. The store is now closed.

My wife and I ran into the Mexican-American woman at the Mexican restaurant in town there, and she relayed the story; it sounded as if their last two or so months there were miserable.

Not counting our little general store here, that now leaves us one grocery store in our whole county. The next nearest store is a market twenty-two miles away.

Could the former employees buy the store and run it as a cooperative enterprise?

Anymouse Oct 31, 2016 • 5:04:21am

re: #86 goddamnedfrank

Note: That doesn’t mean the FBI Director is exempt from the Hatch Act, just I’m not sure which entity is responsible for policing him. We may be in new territory, which would be weird given all of J. Edgar Hoover’s historic abuses.

Qui custodiet ipsos custodes

Well, the ten-year term for FBI directors came directly out of J. Edgar Hoover’s abuse of the FBI.

The FBI director is an agency head; in theory he can be impeached like any other. He can be fired by the President (one was previously), but that would look like President Obama was covering up “something.”

He can be criminally charged like any other citizen, and a violation of the Hatch Act is a Felony. Whether the administration has either a) cajones or b) sufficient evidence is another story.

worldknot Oct 31, 2016 • 5:05:25am

re: #83 goddamnedfrank

Different statute. 5 U.S.C. § 2302 lists prohibited personnel practices by agencies in their capacity as employers. The Hatch Act, 5 U.S.C. § 7323, prohibits certain kinds of political activity by individual employees, and does not exclude employees of the FBI.

Anymouse Oct 31, 2016 • 5:05:43am

re: #88 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Could the former employees buy the store and run it as a cooperative enterprise?

Well, I suppose they could - if the current owner wants to sell it and if they want to run a store. I suspect it will be a closed storefront on Main Street in Bridgeport for a long time to come, unless the current owner can hire more people. He might just say “screw it I’m done.”

Decatur Deb Oct 31, 2016 • 5:07:00am

re: #89 Anymouse

Well, the ten-year term for FBI directors came directly out of J. Edgar Hoover’s abuse of the FBI.

The FBI director is an agency head; in theory he can be impeached like any other. He can be fired by the President (one was previously), but that would look like President Obama was covering up “something.”

He can be criminally charged like any other citizen, and a violation of the Hatch Act is a Felony. Whether the administration has either a) cajones or b) sufficient evidence is another story.

Might be easier and more useful to pass legislation re-organizing or realigning the agency.

The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge Oct 31, 2016 • 5:07:08am

Kurt Eichenwald again:

Donald Trump’s Companies Destroyed Emails in Defiance of Court Orders

wheat-dogghazi-mailgate Oct 31, 2016 • 5:08:02am

re: #91 Anymouse

Well, I suppose they could - if the current owner wants to sell it and if they want to run a store. I suspect it will be a closed storefront on Main Street in Bridgeport for a long time to come, unless the current owner can hire more people. He might just say “screw it I’m done.”

Well, you can mention to them, and the present owner. Maybe he should just promote one of the former employees as the asst mgr. She’d probably do a better job.

Anymouse Oct 31, 2016 • 5:10:32am

re: #92 Decatur Deb

Might be easier and more useful to pass legislation re-organizing or realigning the agency.

Would the GOP be interested in that, since Mr. Comey’s letter plays right into their narrative?

The FBI, while a necessary agency, is somewhat like the DEA in that there is little oversight in what they do.

If Democrats were to try to weaken or divide its powers amongst new or other agencies, the cry of “terrorism supporters” would go up from the same wingnuts on the extreme right that think the government should have no power at all.

Anymouse Oct 31, 2016 • 5:13:51am

Mel Gibson upset people won’t shut up about his anti-Semitism:
rawstory.com

Racist posters appear on Iowa State University campus:
kcrg.com

Trump doesn’t just need to be defeated, he needs to be thrashed at the polls. Sorry my district won’t help, up to you guys.

goddamnedfrank Oct 31, 2016 • 5:14:40am

re: #84 Anymouse

There is still the Bush Administration counsellor complaint to the Justice Department about a violation of the Hatch Act. It might also be interesting to be a fly on the wall at AG Lynch’s office this morning.

The problem is that AG Lynch is widely seen as an Obama and Clinton ally. Comey has created a situation where it seems very little can be done against him at least until the election is over. However after November 8th he’d better be wearing asbestos undies.

As I suggested previously if I were Obama I’d use the power of the pardon as a weapon, issue Comey a blanket pardon for all crimes he may have committed while in office. In the pardon document I’d just list a litany of speculative nasty shit like stock market manipulation, racketeering and Logan Act / foreign influence violations to put the stink on him. Comey can refuse the pardon and bitch, but he can’t sue for libel because Obama has immunity for official acts and could just say the pardon was just designed to move the country forward instead of getting bogged down by endless investigations into what exactly happened and that Comey doesn’t have to take it.

Obama of course won’t do this, because he’s a better man than I am.

wheat-dogghazi-mailgate Oct 31, 2016 • 5:15:41am

re: #96 Anymouse

Mel Gibson upset people won’t shut up about his anti-Semitism:
rawstory.com

Racist posters appear on Iowa State University campus:
kcrg.com

Trump doesn’t just need to be defeated, he needs to be thrashed at the polls. Sorry my district won’t help, up to you guys.

Well, I did my part. Maybe I should just send a bunch more absentee ballots, like Trump suggested. ///////

goddamnedfrank Oct 31, 2016 • 5:18:39am

I talked to two of the most famous Bush officials on both sides of the waterboarding debate. They agree on Trump. https://t.co/U6kbGZlvDK pic.twitter.com/5fCtcf6qrz

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Decatur Deb Oct 31, 2016 • 5:20:22am

re: #95 Anymouse

Would the GOP be interested in that, since Mr. Comey’s letter plays right into their narrative?

The FBI, while a necessary agency, is somewhat like the DEA in that there is little oversight in what they do.

If Democrats were to try to weaken or divide its powers amongst new or other agencies, the cry of “terrorism supporters” would go up from the same wingnuts on the extreme right that think the government should have no power at all.

The hardcases on the right, Threeper/Bundy types, see themselves as the domestic target of the Bad Feds.

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Anymouse Oct 31, 2016 • 5:20:41am

re: #98 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Well, I did my part. Maybe I should just send a bunch more absentee ballots, like Trump suggested. ///////

My county clerk knows me too well, if I went in and got more ballots I think she would be suspicious.

Must be my extra-long hair. Ever since I moved here, my county sheriff, every time he sees me, says (jocularly) “I’m keeping my eye on you” (which shouldn’t be too hard since I drive one of only two Smart cars in the county).

I did give her a newspaper clipping from The Onion national edition (back when they were still printing it and I was a subscriber) of a “coal fired voting machine” that she thought was a hoot - and still has posted in her office.

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lawhawk Oct 31, 2016 • 5:21:42am

Quite a few of us didn’t go through the bad old days of segregationist Wallace’s campaign. For two generations going on three generations of voters, they have no experience with this at all.

What Trump and the GOP has unleashed could well be the last gasp of white nationalism, segregationist, white supremacist nativism, but it also reveals that those aspects of the GOP have never gone away. They’ve been buried and papered over into polite versions of white nationalism/supremacy by the likes of National Review and other so-called intellectual right wing outfits.

Trump took the veneer of politeness and ripped it away to reveal the bigoted underside to the GOP. It’s been there all along - simmering on a low boil thanks to 40 years of GOP pushing irrational hate and fear as a policy to keep support among their core constituency, which is an older white crowd. This group sees their primacy slipping away because minorities have equal rights and protections, LGBT are entitled to SSM, and are accorded protections under the law that they take for granted.

So, while the Wallace years were indeed worse, there’s the potential that we’re seeing a resurgence due in large measure to Trump showing the GOP how to win the GOP primary - by being the biggest and brashest bigot on the block.

Don’t expect that to change in 2020 either. They’ll pick the biggest bigot of the bunch, even though they too will lose in the national election. They learned nothing from the 2008 and 2012 autopsies, and they will double down again here.

That will unleash yet another wave of hate and bigotry from the GOP base.

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Emptor scriptor Remorse Oct 31, 2016 • 5:22:19am

re: #97 goddamnedfrank

Can the President pardon someone that hasn’t been convicted of a crime?

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Jayleia Oct 31, 2016 • 5:24:05am

re: #103 Emptor scriptor Remorse

Yes, as I recall, Shrub, GHWB, Reagan, Ford, I think Nixon, did that…does…does anyone see a pattern there?

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goddamnedfrank Oct 31, 2016 • 5:26:09am

re: #103 Emptor scriptor Remorse

Can the President pardon someone that hasn’t been convicted of a crime?

Yes. cf Ford’s pardon of Nixon.

The person pardoned however does not have to accept it. If they do the Burdick v. US decision establishes that the acceptance of a pardon amounts to an implicit admission of guilt.

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Anymouse Oct 31, 2016 • 5:26:18am

re: #102 lawhawk

We can hope that base is shrinking every year. I don’t know though.

I haven’t run into any open bigots around here except our gun shop owner (and that fellow in the county seat flying the Dixie Swastika from his house).

As far as bigotry goes, I am not interested in policing thoughts; if you want to be a bigot in the privacy of your own home have at it Hoss.

But bigotry in politics, where ostensibly a politician regardless of stripe represents all constituents has no place.

Of note, Gov. Wallace in his later years repudiated his segregationist stance, and appointed a number of African-Americans to his administration.

When he died, tens of thousands of people turned out including a large cohort of African-Americans; they’d experienced his change of heart and his efforts to forward civil rights in Alabama.

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Anymouse Oct 31, 2016 • 5:29:02am

Oath Keepers say their poll-watching operation (which is not legal) will not intimidate voters.

huffingtonpost.com

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Decatur Deb Oct 31, 2016 • 5:30:42am

re: #106 Anymouse

We can hope that base is shrinking every year. I don’t know though.

I haven’t run into any open bigots around here except our gun shop owner (and that fellow in the county seat flying the Dixie Swastika from his house).

As far as bigotry goes, I am not interested in policing thoughts; if you want to be a bigot in the privacy of your own home have at it Hoss.

But bigotry in politics, where ostensibly a politician regardless of stripe represents all constituents has no place.

Of note, Gov. Wallace in his later years repudiated his segregationist stance, and appointed a number of African-Americans to his administration.

When he died, tens of thousands of people turned out including a large cohort of African-Americans; they’d experienced his change of heart and his efforts to forward civil rights in Alabama.

Getting shot in the ass can clear your thought processes.

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Emptor scriptor Remorse Oct 31, 2016 • 5:31:15am

Burdick v. United States

A pardoned person must introduce the pardon into court proceedings, otherwise the pardon must be disregarded by the court.
To do this, the pardoned person must accept the pardon. If a pardon is rejected, it cannot be forced upon its subject.
A pardon carries an “imputation of guilt”, and accepting a pardon is “an admission of guilt”.

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Anymouse Oct 31, 2016 • 5:38:32am

re: #108 Decatur Deb

Getting shot in the ass can clear your thought processes.

I wish Gov. Wallace had not been shot.

After he was shot and in a wheelchair, he was still a segregationist. When he campaigned in Michigan in 1972, he was still spouting racist rhetoric and arguing for segregation. (Wallace won the Democratic Primary in Michigan in 1972, my introduction to politics since at that time I was a paperboy for the Detroit Free Press and read the news every day.)

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goddamnedfrank Oct 31, 2016 • 5:40:26am

Trump polling below the Crazification Factor in California.

#California
Sacramento State Poll (10/7-10/13):

Clinton 61% (+36)
Trump 25%
Johnson 4%
Stein 3%

— Political Polls (@PpollingNumbers) October 31, 2016

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goddamnedfrank Oct 31, 2016 • 5:43:03am

Even Rasmussen couldn’t manufacture a bump for Trump out of Comey’s letter.

#WhiteHouseWatch: No Fallout for #Clinton So Far… https://t.co/LwGF2tPZGj #BreakingPoll #Election2016 pic.twitter.com/bMoIEQ8eLD

— Rasmussen Reports (@Rasmussen_Poll) October 31, 2016

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Rasmussen

Clinton 45
Trump 42
Johnson 5
Stein 2 https://t.co/JcehBqvgtq

— Benchmark Politics (@benchmarkpol) October 31, 2016

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Anymouse Oct 31, 2016 • 5:44:41am

re: #111 goddamnedfrank

No one is bothering to poll my state. I haven’t even seen polling out of NE-2, which Obama won.

Back on Gov. Wallace:

In 1979, Wallace said of his stand in the schoolhouse door: “I was wrong. Those days are over, and they ought to be over.”

Also:

With four unsuccessful runs for President he was a loser in national politics. However, his impact on American politics was enormous and earned him the appellation “the most influential loser” in 20th century American politics, according to biographers Dan T. Carter and Stephan Lesher.

We can hope the most influential loser in the XXI Century will be Mr. Trump.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light)) Oct 31, 2016 • 5:45:23am

re: #95 Anymouse

Would the GOP be interested in that, since Mr. Comey’s letter plays right into their narrative?

The FBI, while a necessary agency, is somewhat like the DEA in that there is little oversight in what they do.

If Democrats were to try to weaken or divide its powers amongst new or other agencies, the cry of “terrorism supporters” would go up from the same wingnuts on the extreme right that think the government should have no power at all.

They think government should have power - to arrest and/or declare war on people of certain color or religion…

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Ziggy_TARDIS Oct 31, 2016 • 5:48:20am

Haha!

Roger Stone and Chuck Johnson have spent their lives trolling others. But now, thanks to a fringey Clinton-related conspiracy theory, they’ve turned their dark arts on each other.

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dlnathan Oct 31, 2016 • 5:48:51am

Uh-oh. The Donald has his own email problem.

Via Newsweek
newsweek.com

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Ziggy_TARDIS Oct 31, 2016 • 5:50:03am

re: #116 dlnathan

Time for Hillary to play the Refs (The Media).

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate Oct 31, 2016 • 5:52:01am

In local news, the Harlem Globetrotters are coming to my burg here in China in December. They’re playing a Chinese team, and apparently touring China. I hope to score some tickets. Haven’t seen them play since the Meadowlark Lemon days.

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Timothy Watson Oct 31, 2016 • 5:53:37am

re: #115 Ziggy_TARDIS

From the article:

Charles “Chuck” Johnson, professional troll-investigator for the millennial generation

I really wish people would stop normalizing that fucking scumbag.

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Anymouse Oct 31, 2016 • 5:58:51am

re: #118 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

In local news, the Harlem Globetrotters are coming to my burg here in China in December. They’re playing a Chinese team, and apparently touring China. I hope to score some tickets. Haven’t seen them play since the Meadowlark Lemon days.

They were here a couple months ago, playing against elected government officials, the two city police departments here, and the county sheriff’s office.

I’ll bet you’ll never guess we (the local government) lost badly.

The game was to raise money for the local county food bank. That was a smashing success.

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jeffreyw Oct 31, 2016 • 6:03:04am

Imgur

Good morning!

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate Oct 31, 2016 • 6:03:15am

re: #115 Ziggy_TARDIS

It had to happen sooner or later. Chuck’s been trying to weasel his way into Trump’s inner circle, and now that he’s crossed swords with Roger Stone, he may never get what he so desperately wants.

Also, this claim of Chuckie’s is suspect.

Johnson claims he already has “the Clinton side of the DNA,” but wouldn’t get into details, only divulging that he “sent private eyes to get it.” He added that he wouldn’t need Bill Clinton’s DNA specifically, just that of a relative.

If he intends to prove Williams is directly related to Bill Clinton, he would have to have a DNA sample from a close relative of Bill’s, ideally someone who is part of the Clinton male line — a brother, first cousin, or at most second cousin. Any relative more distantly related would have too many similarities in his DNA makeup to other people to draw any valid conclusions. I’m not sure how the mtDNA samples would work.

Also, as Rage Furby has claimed he has had this DNA sample for a while, if he never had it analyzed, it’s by now probably degraded to the point of uselessness. Our Charles suspects Rage Furby’s “private eye” (LOL) probably went dumpster-diving to obtain some DNA sample, which would further contaminate the sample.

Real life ain’t CSI.

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Anymouse Oct 31, 2016 • 6:03:22am

William Johnson: Jews should “reflect on what causes anti-Semitism and work to overcome that.”

This Mr. Johnson who is not the same person as our esteemed host here is the head of the American Freedom Party (neo-Nazis who are supporting Mr. Trump this go-round).
i24news.tv

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Backwoods_Sleuth Oct 31, 2016 • 6:04:03am

A tweet was posted here last night about alleged Trump supporters with dogs intimidating early voters in Cincinnati.
The tweet gave no source link.
I searched every Cincinnati news source last night to no avail.
This morning:

No evidence for ‘Trump supporters with dogs’ tweet claim https://t.co/4sTFKWDlqz via @enquirer

— justa farmer (@justafarmer4) October 31, 2016

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Outside of a single unsubstantiated tweet, there is currently no evidence Donald Trump supporters with dogs harassed African-Americans voting early in Cincinnati.

At about 10 p.m. Sunday, Christian writer and progressive political activist Jim Wallis tweeted to his 32,600 followers that “Trump supporters - men with dogs” showed up at a polling location to intimidate voters. “Yelling matches ensued,” he concluded.

One problem: Wallis provided no evidence that the incident he described actually took place.

The lack of proof didn’t stop the tweet from getting a lot of attention and ricocheting around Twitter and into the inboxes of Cincinnati reporters. By 8 a.m. Monday, Wallis’ tweet had approached 3,500 retweets.

Some on Twitter took Wallis at his word but others were doubtful, asking him for proof. Wallis has yet to provide any evidence to back up his claim.

The Enquirer is looking into Wallis’ tweet and has yet to find any sources or footage to substantiate the incident he describes. Two local officials who oversee the Hamilton County Board of Elections, the site of in-person early voting for the city of Cincinnati, said they had no evidence of such an event.

“I’ve heard nothing about this. If something happened, I think I would’ve heard from staff there,” said Alex Triantafilou, member of the Board of Elections and chairman of the Hamilton County Republican Party, via several early Monday morning texts. “Just to be clear, if something like that happened - I don’t know a thing about it.”

Tim Burke, chairman of the Board of Elections and of the Hamilton County Democratic Party, said he was at the board both Saturday and Sunday. “I saw a couple of seeing eye dogs, one miniature horse wearing a campaign sign and another rather large but friendly dog on a leash,” he said in a text Monday morning. “But saw nothing like that nor did I hear of anything like that.”

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lawhawk Oct 31, 2016 • 6:06:12am

re: #116 dlnathan

Uh-oh. The Donald has his own email problem.

Via Newsweek
newsweek.com

That’s actually an old story. That came out months ago, but got buried under the blizzard of other bad jobu the Trump campaign was spewing.

What’s lost in everything is that Trump actively destroyed emails that a court required be preserved as part of a legal case. They tampered with evidence. So, once again, we’ve got an example of Trump projecting bad acts onto his opponent when he’s done even worse.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge Oct 31, 2016 • 6:06:33am

re: #120 Anymouse

They were here a couple months ago, playing against elected government officials, the two city police departments here, and the county sheriff’s office.

I’ll bet you’ll never guess we (the local government) lost badly.

The game was to raise money for the local county food bank. That was a smashing success.

When I was in high school, DJs from all the radio stations in town had a basketball team that would go from school to school humiliating the faculty. It was great fun (for us kids.)

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light)) Oct 31, 2016 • 6:07:29am

re: #123 Anymouse

William Johnson: Jews should “reflect on what causes anti-Semitism and work to overcome that.”

This Mr. Johnson who is not the same person as our esteemed host here is the head of the American Freedom Party (neo-Nazis who are supporting Mr. Trump this go-round).

The

Babylonian Empire,
Egyptian Empire,
Roman Empire,
Spanish Empire,
Russian Empire,
Austro-Hungarian Empire,
Third Reich
and the
USSR

…all mistreated their Jews; all wound up on the ash-heap of history.

Mr Johnson should spend some time pondering that.

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Anymouse Oct 31, 2016 • 6:08:33am

re: #126 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

When I was in high school, DJs from all the radio stations in town had a basketball team that would go from school to school humiliating the faculty. It was great fun (for us kids.)

When I was in high school, the Michigan State Police used to play a charity football game against the Michigan State Spartans, dubbed the “Pigs and Freaks” game.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate Oct 31, 2016 • 6:10:04am

From the Daily Beast article, Ziggy_TARDIS just linked to:

In an email, Stone called [Chuck] Johnson a “spastic loser,” a “talentless little asshole” and “mentally ill.” He said Johnson being on the autism spectrum, which he has been open about, explains his problems.

“The issues with autism,” Stone said, “are essentially a person is highly intelligent on the one hand (like Dustin Hoffman’s Rain Man), but on the other hand their social skills are stuck at about the level of five year old.”

Stone continued, “So he does ‘off the wall’ things that to the normal person is betrayal/jerk/asshole/crazy, but in his 5 year old mind he is only able to consider the need for getting attention, nothing else. He was temporarily kicked off Twitter for giving out the home addresses of reporters, then get got reinstated and did it again! He got kicked off again temporarily, and did it again! Then he got permanently banned. So this how the autistic mind / 5 year old child thinks, he does what brings him attention at the moment, and cannot take consequences into consideration.”

Stone has Trump’s ear. No way Rage Furby will get a job with Trump now.

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Backwoods_Sleuth Oct 31, 2016 • 6:12:03am

re: #129 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

In an email, Stone called [Chuck] Johnson a “spastic loser,” a “talentless little asshole” and “mentally ill.”

Stone could also pretty much be describing himself.

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Anymouse Oct 31, 2016 • 6:12:13am

First significant poll since FBI director James Comey’s letter shows no change in the electorate’s support of the candidates:

huffingtonpost.com

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HappyWarrior Oct 31, 2016 • 6:12:50am

re: #130 Backwoods_Sleuth

Stone could also pretty much be describing himself.

No doubt.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate Oct 31, 2016 • 6:12:53am

re: #130 Backwoods_Sleuth

Stone could also pretty much be describing himself.

Indeed.

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Decatur Deb Oct 31, 2016 • 6:13:09am

re: #125 lawhawk

That’s actually an old story. That came out months ago, but got buried under the blizzard of other bad jobu the Trump campaign was spewing.

What’s lost in everything is that Trump actively destroyed emails that a court required be preserved as part of a legal case. They tampered with evidence. So, once again, we’ve got an example of Trump projecting bad acts onto his opponent when he’s done even worse.

Raising it now would have even less effect than the Abedin/HRC email issue. It’s just more media-spew masking Trump’s fundamental absurdity.

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Backwoods_Sleuth Oct 31, 2016 • 6:14:00am

Raheem Kassam has suspended his campaign. Urging supporters to back Peter Whittle. Says he has been treated disgracefully by media.

— Theo Usherwood (@theousherwood) October 31, 2016

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Man who works for Breitbart complains about negative media coverage https://t.co/5FMwAe3dz4

— Sean Kemp (@Sean_Kemp) October 31, 2016

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Belafon Oct 31, 2016 • 6:14:10am

re: #131 Anymouse

First significant poll since FBI director James Comey’s letter shows no change in the electorate’s support of the candidates:

huffingtonpost.com

Not surprised. We’ve had emailgate since the news of Clinton’s server came out. People are either already supporting Trump or don’t care and support Clinton. What are they going to find on Clinton if it’s not on her email server?

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Anymouse Oct 31, 2016 • 6:14:32am

re: #134 Decatur Deb

Raising it now would have even less effect than the Abedin/HRC email issue. It’s just more media-spew masking Trump’s fundamental absurdity.

On the other hand, raising it now points to alleged criminality with E-mails by Mr. Trump that takes the wind out of the GOP’s claims about Mrs. Clinton.

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HappyWarrior Oct 31, 2016 • 6:14:42am

Honestly being on the spectrum myself, I think it gives me more empathy. Everyone is different though.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate Oct 31, 2016 • 6:15:13am

re: #131 Anymouse

First significant poll since FBI director James Comey’s letter shows no change in the electorate’s support of the candidates:

huffingtonpost.com

The general public has had it up to here with the fucking email thing.

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Anymouse Oct 31, 2016 • 6:16:05am

Well, off to bed. 7:15 in mythical Mountain Time Zone, the sun is coming up.

See ya later, y’all.

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HappyWarrior Oct 31, 2016 • 6:16:59am

re: #131 Anymouse

First significant poll since FBI director James Comey’s letter shows no change in the electorate’s support of the candidates:

huffingtonpost.com

Just as I thought, most of the people saying they’re less likely to vote for her are Republicans who weren’t going to vote for her anyhow.

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HappyWarrior Oct 31, 2016 • 6:17:56am

re: #139 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

The general public has had it up to here with the fucking email thing.

I think so too.

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lawhawk Oct 31, 2016 • 6:18:28am

Wayne Allen Root strikes again:

Speaker at Trump rally envisions Hillary Clinton and Huma Abedin dying in a car wreck https://t.co/DSVAyH9CUF pic.twitter.com/08BZhY3WKX

— HuffPost Politics (@HuffPostPol) October 31, 2016

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Trump extremists continue wishing for gruesome end to Clinton and her inner circle. These people aren’t right in the head: https://t.co/Iuiz1nx14N

— lawhawk (@lawhawk) October 31, 2016

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These Trump nuts aren’t right in the head. In fact, there’s some mighty impressive IMAX level projection from the Trump nuts. Like their ongoing fantasies that the Clinton Foundation is somehow corrupt or enriching the Clintons, even though all their tax documents are and have been available for public review for years.

The projection is startling given that what we’ve come to learn about the Trump Foundation shows that it’s little more than an illegal slush fund. Trump was using it to solicit funds from others, which wasn’t legal according to how it was originally set up (NYS is awaiting paperwork to see if Trump modifies it to make it acceptable to solicit donations from others), and has used the Foundation to pay off personal obligations and to purchase stuff for personal use. Both are improper uses of a charitable foundation.

We also know that the Trumps aren’t charitable in the slightest, and have been using the campaign to enrich other Trump businesses using campaign donations in the process while jacking up rents and costs when using Trump facilities.

The entire campaign reeks of insider and self-dealing, but apparently Trump has mastered the trick of DARVO (Deny, Attack, and Reverse Victim and Offender). And those latter two (Reverse Victim and Offender) is blatant and obvious when viewing all the sex assault claims being lodged against him.

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Jayleia Oct 31, 2016 • 6:18:39am

re: #129 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

From the Daily Beast article, Ziggy_TARDIS just linked to:

~~Stone has Trump’s ear.~~ No way Rage Furby will get a job ~~with Trump~~ now.

FTFY

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Decatur Deb Oct 31, 2016 • 6:19:07am

re: #137 Anymouse

On the other hand, raising it now points to alleged criminality with E-mails by Mr. Trump that takes the wind out of the GOP’s claims about Mrs. Clinton.

GOP pols, particularly Trumpisti, will sit in front of you in a fedora and insist they’re wearing a beret. We are long past the fact-based part of the campaign.

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HappyWarrior Oct 31, 2016 • 6:21:47am

re: #143 lawhawk

Wayne Allen Root strikes again:

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These Trump nuts aren’t right in the head. In fact, there’s some mighty impressive IMAX level projection from the Trump nuts. Like their ongoing fantasies that the Clinton Foundation is somehow corrupt or enriching the Clintons, even though all their tax documents are and have been available for public review for years.

The projection is startling given that what we’ve come to learn about the Trump Foundation shows that it’s little more than an illegal slush fund. Trump was using it to solicit funds from others, which wasn’t legal according to how it was originally set up (NYS is awaiting paperwork to see if Trump modifies it to make it acceptable to solicit donations from others), and has used the Foundation to pay off personal obligations and to purchase stuff for personal use. Both are improper uses of a charitable foundation.

We also know that the Trumps aren’t charitable in the slightest, and have been using the campaign to enrich other Trump businesses using campaign donations in the process while jacking up rents and costs when using Trump facilities.

The entire campaign reeks of insider and self-dealing, but apparently Trump has mastered the trick of DARVO (Deny, Attack, and Reverse Victim and Offender). And those latter two (Reverse Victim and Offender) is blatant and obvious when viewing all the sex assault claims being lodged against him.

Yet Conway whined when Hilary called them deplorable. You don’t see her surrogates wishing death on Trump but both sides.//

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BlueSpotinAL Oct 31, 2016 • 6:21:53am

re: #68 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

[Embedded content]

Albert is not in the can anymore. A kind soul called and prompted me to let him out.

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Sir John Barron Oct 31, 2016 • 6:22:24am

re: #143 lawhawk

Hey, Secret Service, here’s somebody you should follow.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate Oct 31, 2016 • 6:22:38am

re: #144 Jayleia

FTFY

Yeah, that too. I also suspect his WeSearchr venture will either go bust, get sued, or be investigated by the IRS, or all three. There’s no transparency in the way they handle funds, and no guarantees — other than their word — that they are spending the money for the intended purposes. Witness RF’s recent “vacation” to Hungary to research some scuttlebutt about the Gawker CEO, whatever his name is.

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Sir John Barron Oct 31, 2016 • 6:22:55am

re: #143 lawhawk

Speaker at Trump rally envisions Hillary Clinton and Huma Abedin dying in a car wreck m.huffpost.com pic.twitter.com
— HuffPost Politics

Get the baskets, we have more deplorables.

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HappyWarrior Oct 31, 2016 • 6:23:43am

re: #144 Jayleia

FTFY

It’s already tough being on the spectrum to get a job. Maybe if he chose to be something other than a nutjob asshole, he could do that. He just reinforces a lot of the worst perceptions of people on the spectrum. I hate having that in common with him.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate Oct 31, 2016 • 6:25:53am

re: #147 BlueSpotinAL

Albert is not in the can anymore. A kind soul called and prompted me to let him out.

Good, now go catch that refrigerator!

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Sir John Barron Oct 31, 2016 • 6:26:52am

re: #124 Backwoods_Sleuth

I hate this kind of shiit. Doesn’t help with all the actual bad stuff Trumpkins say they want to do. Bad job by Wallis tweeting this out with no evidence or source.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate Oct 31, 2016 • 6:28:33am

re: #151 HappyWarrior

It’s already tough being on the spectrum to get a job. Maybe if he chose to be something other than a nutjob asshole, he could do that. He just reinforces a lot of the worst perceptions of people on the spectrum. I hate having that in common with him.

The thing is, he uses the autism as an excuse for being a jerk. He doesn’t seem inclined to find ways to mitigate the jerkiness.

Also, I wonder if he was ever diagnosed with being on the spectrum, or if he’s making it up to cover for his behavioral issues.

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Jayleia Oct 31, 2016 • 6:30:40am

re: #151 HappyWarrior

Pretty sure the only reason he says he’s on the spectrum is because that’s in the Nooz a lot, and then if we’re mean to him he can say something about lefties being mean to the mentally ill. But I’d guess it’s actually some kind of personality disorder.

Or maybe he’s just a fucking asshole.

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Timothy Watson Oct 31, 2016 • 6:30:43am

re: #129 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

From the Daily Beast article, Ziggy_TARDIS just linked to:

Stone has Trump’s ear. No way Rage Furby will get a job with Trump now.

Wasn’t Stone feuding with Trump a couple weeks ago and suggesting his NDA was null and void?

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lawhawk Oct 31, 2016 • 6:32:42am

re: #156 Timothy Watson

Yup. That’s correct. That the entity with whom Stone signed his NDA wasn’t a valid entity.

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HappyWarrior Oct 31, 2016 • 6:33:01am

re: #155 Jayleia

Pretty sure the only reason he says he’s on the spectrum is because that’s in the Nooz a lot, and then if we’re mean to him he can say something about lefties being mean to the mentally ill. But I’d guess it’s actually some kind of personality disorder.

Or maybe he’s just a fucking asshole.

I dunno. Could be.

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Emptor scriptor Remorse Oct 31, 2016 • 6:34:08am

They updated the VW claim website, now you can give them blood and hair samples to get your money//

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HappyWarrior Oct 31, 2016 • 6:34:31am

re: #154 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

The thing is, he uses the autism as an excuse for being a jerk. He doesn’t seem inclined to find ways to mitigate the jerkiness.

Also, I wonder if he was ever diagnosed with being on the spectrum, or if he’s making it up to cover for his behavioral issues.

Well a lot of people on the spectrum are self diagnosed but that’s much more common among older people than people his and my age. You’re right. He uses it as an excuse.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light)) Oct 31, 2016 • 6:35:10am

re: #152 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Good, now go catch that refrigerator!

if you can run with those pigs’ feet…

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Backwoods_Sleuth Oct 31, 2016 • 6:36:38am

#SCOTUS grants, vacates, remands in case of Arizona inmate sentenced to life without parole as juvenile — Tatum v. Arizona

— SCOTUSblog (@SCOTUSblog) October 31, 2016

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Sotomayor has concurring opinion in GVR of Tatum v. Arizona; Alito dissents from GVR, joined by Thomas

— SCOTUSblog (@SCOTUSblog) October 31, 2016

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Backwoods_Sleuth Oct 31, 2016 • 6:37:48am

What does it say that Democrats won’t respond to @Morning_Joe’s requests to come on @MSNBC to talk about the #FBIComey story?

— Paul Edwards (@GodandCulture) October 31, 2016

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That ain’t nobody got time for this GOP manufactured bullshit. https://t.co/YK6GxAzqsJ

— Propane Jane™ (@docrocktex26) October 31, 2016

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dlnathan Oct 31, 2016 • 6:37:57am

Just one more week of this sh..

And the we get Trump TV.

Oh Joy.

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Decatur Deb Oct 31, 2016 • 6:39:17am

re: #164 dlnathan

Just one more week of this sh..

And the we get Trump TV.

Oh Joy.

Maybe not. Trump has disavowed Trump TV, and his word is his bond.

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Jay C Oct 31, 2016 • 6:40:02am

re: #164 dlnathan

Just one more week of this sh..

And the we get Trump TV.

Oh Joy.

Yeah, but the good thing about only getting The Donald on “Trump TV” is that one can change the channel, or turn the damn set off.

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Backwoods_Sleuth Oct 31, 2016 • 6:43:15am

Happy Halloween #nationalpark fans! pic.twitter.com/s1VTGnrWBB

— National Parks News (@NPCA) October 31, 2016

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dlnathan Oct 31, 2016 • 6:43:58am

A monthly fee to see internet service.
Easy money to take from, his rubes, i mean, supporters.
Expect his supporters to be like:
Hey look at this link from Trump TV. It’s about…. NO Thanks

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HappyWarrior Oct 31, 2016 • 6:44:15am

re: #167 Backwoods_Sleuth

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God I must be getting old because I totally forgot today was Halloween.

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GlutenFreeJesus Oct 31, 2016 • 6:45:24am

re: #59 goddamnedfrank

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The Pence administration declined to comment on the case because it involved “ongoing litigation.”

Oh, the irony.

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Joe Bacon Oct 31, 2016 • 6:46:16am

The morning dose of stupidity—I get an e-mail from a Trump supporter with a link to a sermon from an insane pulpit pimp praising Putin as a “man who follows the Lord with all of his heart and soul”.

I am SO GLAD I am taking next Wednesday off to decompress from this shhhhhaaaaavvvvviiiinnngggg cream…

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Jayleia Oct 31, 2016 • 6:46:37am

re: #168 dlnathan

Maybe, but marks aren’t called marks because of their skepticism, and his marks are GOP marks, so if you keep feeding them the usual talking points, they’ll follow along.

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Decatur Deb Oct 31, 2016 • 6:47:38am

re: #169 HappyWarrior

God I must be getting old because I totally forgot today was Halloween.

Our neighborhood is shifting back to pro-Halloween. Good number of decorated houses. Local parking-lot based “Trunk or Treat” events are becoming more popular in the name of safety, disguising a BS urge to tailor the demographics.

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Backwoods_Sleuth Oct 31, 2016 • 6:48:09am

Cash up front Vinny, you know how this works pic.twitter.com/JrUJqwNERo

— AKA Dave (@Dahmerscookpot) October 31, 2016

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Sir John Barron Oct 31, 2016 • 6:49:26am

re: #171 Joe Bacon

insane pulpit pimp

Deplorable, even.

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GlutenFreeJesus Oct 31, 2016 • 6:49:56am

re: #171 Joe Bacon

Dr. Demento - Shaving Cream

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HappyWarrior Oct 31, 2016 • 6:50:01am

re: #173 Decatur Deb

Our neighborhood is shifting back to pro-Halloween. Good number of decorated houses. Local parking-lot based “Trunk or Treat” events are becoming more popular in the name of safety, disguising a BS urge to tailor the demographics.

I honestly just forgot and because I’m doing some “homework” for work this morning.

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Joe Bacon Oct 31, 2016 • 6:57:09am

@benshapiro There is no lie you will not tell to elect Trump.

— josephebacon (@josephebacon) October 31, 2016

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Joe Bacon Oct 31, 2016 • 6:58:28am

re: #176 GlutenFreeJesus

BLESS YOUR HEART, GFJ!

I tried to link Binny Bell’s song but for some reason it wouldn’t come up when I posted!

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Jayleia Oct 31, 2016 • 7:02:34am

@benshapiro Trump: I’ll plant a friend in the Dems
Other: What the plan?
Trump: To expose all my faults and make me look dumb
Other: Uh…

— jay (@random__name) October 31, 2016

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The Vicious Babushka Oct 31, 2016 • 7:04:15am

Today’s Donald and John: A terrifying beast https://t.co/Gduu3RRpWa pic.twitter.com/itCAQoXjFB

— The Nib (@thenib) October 31, 2016

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Timothy Watson Oct 31, 2016 • 7:06:19am

re: #180 Jayleia

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And he would have gotten away with if it wasn’t for you kids and that dog!

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The Vicious Babushka Oct 31, 2016 • 7:06:49am

WTF

Ford World Headquarters evacuated in Dearborn https://t.co/PmGKWlZqSe #detroit pic.twitter.com/j0d5ccmomL

— Detroit News Now (@detroitnewsnow) October 31, 2016

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HappyWarrior Oct 31, 2016 • 7:07:51am

re: #178 Joe Bacon

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You know for someone possessing a JD from Harvard, he sure does act dumb.

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Danack Oct 31, 2016 • 7:08:20am

I think it’s worth pointing out, and that the US media has been seemingly deliberately ignoring, that there hasn’t been enough time for Trump to turn people into being horribly racist and having white supremacist tendencies.

Instead these people have been racist and tending to white supremacy theories for many years…..it’s just that up until now they have had to limit how openly they show those things, as they have feared the response from other people.

Trump hasn’t altered their feelings, he’s only empowered them to speak out about them.

But the media seems loath to point this out. Instead they keep pretending that “economic anxiety” are the main drivers of Trump’s popularity.

This is doing a massive dis-service to the US, as you can’t start fixing a problem until you identify exactly what the problem is in the first place.

(yes, yes, there are some specific places where people are in economic dire straits who have rejected Democrats….but Trump’s relatively high level of support in say Iowa, is not an example of that.)

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Timothy Watson Oct 31, 2016 • 7:08:29am

re: #184 HappyWarrior

You know for someone possessing a JD from Harvard, he sure does act dumb.

#releasethetranscripts

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Joe Bacon Oct 31, 2016 • 7:08:54am

re: #184 HappyWarrior

You know for someone possessing a JD from Harvard, he sure does act dumb.

I honestly wonder if he’s on the spectrum like our pal Ginger Snapped…

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HappyWarrior Oct 31, 2016 • 7:09:23am

re: #186 Timothy Watson

#releasethetranscripts

Ha! Seriously though. Who gets a JD from Harvard and goes to work at Breitbart.

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HappyWarrior Oct 31, 2016 • 7:09:56am

re: #187 Joe Bacon

I honestly wonder if he’s on the spectrum like our pal Ginger Snapped…

No, I don’t think he is. I think he’s just an asshole where as Ginger is an asshole who’s o n the spectrum.

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lawhawk Oct 31, 2016 • 7:11:01am

Clinton aide said to be unsure how emails ended up in her husband’s laptop, and what their significance could be https://t.co/kbbsO9MO9M

— POLITICO (@politico) October 31, 2016

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One horrible possibility—Weiner got her passwords and was basically just spying on her https://t.co/Ovq29Dmthf

— John Podhoretz (@jpodhoretz) October 31, 2016

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The more we know about Anthony Weiner, the more this seems actually plausible. Huma’s in an impossible situation here, thanks to Weiner.

Oh, and we know nothing of what the FBI found. In fact, the FBI doesn’t know, which is why they just got the warrant to figure out if there’s anything actually in any of these emails that warranted the breathless opining over the weekend that this will be the emails that finally convict and sentence Clinton to endless investigations, prison, or worse.

Mind you, there’s nothing to indicate that any of this is criminal, or even actually related to Clinton’s emails. Someone has to go through and check these emails against all the others that were obtained/recovered. It may well turn out to be a nothing burger and these are duplicates of all the other emails that had previously been reviewed, in which case, it was sound and fury signifying a big meh.

As it is, this is a meh, but one more reason for Huma to kick Weiner to the curb once and for all.

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Belafon Oct 31, 2016 • 7:11:41am

re: #188 HappyWarrior

Ha! Seriously though. Who gets a JD from Harvard and goes to work at Breitbart.

Someone who’d heard he could get rich quick with the JD, and, when that failed, is moving onto the next thing he could get rich on. These kinds of people are also the ones who think they’ll do it all themselves and the reason they’re not succeeding is base of interference from “others”.

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Belafon Oct 31, 2016 • 7:12:42am

re: #190 lawhawk

The more we know about Anthony Weiner, the more this seems actually plausible. Huma’s in an impossible situation here, thanks to Weiner.

Oh, and we know nothing of what the FBI found. In fact, the FBI doesn’t know, which is why they just got the warrant to figure out if there’s anything actually in any of these emails that warranted the breathless opining over the weekend that this will be the emails that finally convict and sentence Clinton to endless investigations, prison, or worse.

Mind you, there’s nothing to indicate that any of this is criminal, or even actually related to Clinton’s emails. Someone has to go through and check these emails against all the others that were obtained/recovered. It may well turn out to be a nothing burger and these are duplicates of all the other emails that had previously been reviewed, in which case, it was sound and fury signifying a big meh.

As it is, this is a meh, but one more reason for Huma to kick Weiner to the curb once and for all.

I wonder if this could be another charge against him. I would think that spying on your spouse would be illegal.

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GlutenFreeJesus Oct 31, 2016 • 7:12:58am

re: #179 Joe Bacon

I have several volumes on cassette. lol

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HappyWarrior Oct 31, 2016 • 7:13:17am

re: #191 Belafon

Someone who’d heard he could get rich quick with the JD, and, when that failed, is moving onto the next thing he could get rich on. These kinds of people are also the ones who think they’ll do it all themselves and the reason they’re not succeeding is base of interference from “others”.

Ah good point.

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Timothy Watson Oct 31, 2016 • 7:14:10am

re: #192 Belafon

I wonder if this could be another charge against him. I would think that spying on your spouse would be illegal.

Illegally accessing a computer system.

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Sir John Barron Oct 31, 2016 • 7:17:15am

re: #190 lawhawk

So he used her password to get into her email account and…..sent emails from them? Or just the fact that he might have accessed her account from his computer means her emails are by definition now on his computer?

Also unclear how FBI can both possess Weiner’s device and still need a warrant to access it’s emails. Because Huma’s account was not a part of the original warrant? But it sounds as if they have or can see the emails in question, just that without a warrant they can’t really search them or use them?

A lot of particulars unclear.

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William Lewis Oct 31, 2016 • 7:17:27am

Oh foo. That sound you heard? That was my wallet whimpering. I just found out that Square Enix has ports released of Final Fantasy VII & IX for Android. $16 & $21 respectively which is silly expensive to be playing on a phone but what they heck.

The only real question is which one first since I don’t have the space for both.

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Jay C Oct 31, 2016 • 7:21:29am

re: #190 lawhawk

As it is, this is a meh, but one more reason for Huma to kick Weiner to the curb once and for all.

I thought she basically already had.

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lawhawk Oct 31, 2016 • 7:21:44am

re: #196 Sir John Barron

All of these issues aren’t clear, but what was abundantly clear is that Comey’s letter was premature at best, Chaffetz purposefully misrepresented the nature of the letter, which enabled the GOP to claim something that didn’t actually happen had occurred, and the FBI walkback was underplayed while the media played catchup.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate Oct 31, 2016 • 7:22:44am

A radio guy named Ken Rutkowski @kenradio just followed me on Twitter. Should I be pleased, or not? I know nothing about him.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate Oct 31, 2016 • 7:30:04am

I’m heading to bed. Morning classes await me.

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Dr. Matt Oct 31, 2016 • 7:31:39am

re: #163 Backwoods_Sleuth

What does it say that Democrats won’t respond to @Morning_Joe’s requests to come on @MSNBC to talk about the #FBIComey story?

— Paul Edwards (@GodandCulture) October 31, 2016

For the last two week Morning Joke and the blonde puppet have been whining about the librul media bias against Trump. Yet, Morning Joke and the blonde puppet are silent about media bias after three 3 days of bullshit, faux outrage, nothing burger reporting against Clinton. Fuck the media.

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Sir John Barron Oct 31, 2016 • 7:32:46am

re: #202 Dr. Matt

Morning Joke and the blonde puppet

Upding for this.

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The Vicious Babushka Oct 31, 2016 • 7:33:25am

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The Vicious Babushka Oct 31, 2016 • 7:34:35am

“A new low” says the campaign manager whose candidate has encouraged chants of “Lock her up!” and death threats…

Dems on FBI Director Comey: Now… vs. Then https://t.co/RCpUKUZYjV

— Morning Joe (@Morning_Joe) October 31, 2016

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A new low. Encouraging boos for Comey at her rally this weekend. https://t.co/BCPuj1UWTp

— Kellyanne Conway (@KellyannePolls) October 31, 2016

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Timothy Watson Oct 31, 2016 • 7:36:03am

re: #204 The Vicious Babushka

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The Vicious Babushka Oct 31, 2016 • 7:37:04am

re: #206 Timothy Watson

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lawhawk Oct 31, 2016 • 7:37:23am

re: #204 The Vicious Babushka

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Belafon Oct 31, 2016 • 7:37:52am

re: #203 Sir John Barron

Upding for this.

Morning Joke and Hollowquinn.

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Dr. Matt Oct 31, 2016 • 7:38:10am

Happy Halloween

Instagram

A banded mongoose plays with a Halloween pumpkin at a zoo in Chongqing, China, October 29, 2016. REUTERS/Stringer #halloween #happyhalloween #ReutersPhotos #Reuters #mongoose #animals #china #pumpkin

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HappyWarrior Oct 31, 2016 • 7:38:52am

re: #205 The Vicious Babushka

“A new low” says the campaign manager whose candidate has encouraged chants of “Lock her up!” and death threats…

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OFFS Kellyanne, your supporters talk about hanging her. Spare me the fauxrage over people booing Comey.

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Backwoods_Sleuth Oct 31, 2016 • 7:39:47am

Ohio Democratic Party files lawsuit accusing Trump campaign and @RogerJStoneJr of voter intimidation https://t.co/hBdmQUBfoV pic.twitter.com/1w38VoLDMI

— Jacob Gershman (@jacobgershman) October 31, 2016

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Sir John Barron Oct 31, 2016 • 7:42:53am

re: #205 The Vicious Babushka

Dems on FBI Director Comey: Now… vs. Then

Dems on FBI Director Comey: Now… vs. Then https://t.co/RCpUKUZYjV

— Morning Joe (@Morning_Joe) October 31, 2016

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— Morning Joe

Did he do a “Now…vs. Then” for Trump and Comey?

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lawhawk Oct 31, 2016 • 7:45:01am

Shocka!

James O’Keefe’s latest video appears to have violated state wiretapping laws https://t.co/uZXxeWBKsM pic.twitter.com/Br57lWeW8z

— Judd Legum (@JuddLegum) October 31, 2016

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Once again, O’Keefe’s caught doing something he shouldn’t, and it likely involves criminal acts on his part.

As a reminder, The Trump Foundation donated money to O’Keefe’s Project Veritas, so he’s got a coordinated agitprop generator working concurrently to attack Clinton and other Democratic interests.

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Sir John Barron Oct 31, 2016 • 7:45:28am

re: #213 Sir John Barron

Joe is such a hack.

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HappyWarrior Oct 31, 2016 • 7:45:57am

So the argument is that Clinton can’t criticize what Comey is doing now because she and her campaign once praised him. That doesn’t make any sense. And if Scarborough wants to play that game, look at Trump.

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HappyWarrior Oct 31, 2016 • 7:46:59am

re: #214 lawhawk

Shocka!

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Once again, O’Keefe’s caught doing something he shouldn’t, and it likely involves criminal acts on his part.

As a reminder, The Trump Foundation donated money to O’Keefe’s Project Veritas, so he’s got a coordinated agitprop generator working concurrently to attack Clinton and other Democratic interests.

He honestly should be in jail. He keeps on breaking the law. Maybe it’ll stop him from doing his stupid little games.

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HappyWarrior Oct 31, 2016 • 7:49:26am

Lots of Republican DOJ officials have criticized Comey too. But don’t let that stop Joe from having his monocle fall in his glass of Sherry.

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Stanley Sea Oct 31, 2016 • 7:50:00am

Brianna Keilar of CNN

One of 2016’s best did it amidst personal tragedy https://t.co/CEwSGZq1KR

— Josh Marshall (@joshtpm) October 31, 2016

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lawhawk Oct 31, 2016 • 7:50:40am

EMAILS… EMAILS.

That don’t show a damn thing.

But Russia and Trump ties? Meh.

Woah: Reid spokesman confirms there’ve been classified briefings on coordination between Trump campaign and Russia.https://t.co/Ak6H7dlKLz

— Matt McDermott (@mattmfm) October 31, 2016

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The reality is that Russia has been engaging in a propaganda campaign against the US, and found a useful idiot in Trump who parrots the Russian line in world affairs, particularly Ukraine and the Middle East. Apparently, these statements were enough to get US intel sources to investigate further - complete with briefings.

This would seem to be a big deal. Far more important than anything in any Clinton emails found to date (where the worst that can be said is that Clinton shouldn’t have set up a private server, not that classified intel was mishandled - when that wasn’t the case).

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Sir John Barron Oct 31, 2016 • 7:51:19am

re: #218 HappyWarrior

Lots of Republican DOJ officials have criticized Comey too. But don’t let that stop Joe from having his monocle fall in his glass of Sherry.

Not just that. Former congresscritter and deadbeat dad, Joe Walsh of all people, did too. As did Judge Jeannine from Fox.

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HappyWarrior Oct 31, 2016 • 7:51:47am

re: #220 lawhawk

EMAILS… EMAILS.

That don’t show a damn thing.

But Russia and Trump ties? Meh.

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The reality is that Russia has been engaging in a propaganda campaign against the US, and found a useful idiot in Trump who parrots the Russian line in world affairs, particularly Ukraine and the Middle East. Apparently, these statements were enough to get US intel sources to investigate further - complete with briefings.

This would seem to be a big deal. Far more important than anything in any Clinton emails found to date (where the worst that can be said is that Clinton shouldn’t have set up a private server, not that classified intel was mishandled - when that wasn’t the case).

Trump: I’ve never even heard of Putin.

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Backwoods_Sleuth Oct 31, 2016 • 7:52:02am

NEW: @realDonaldTrump’s Fdn filed paperwork to register properly in NY state, seems to admit it was raising $ w/out required clearance. pic.twitter.com/7jxRhyw1dS

— David Fahrenthold (@Fahrenthold) October 31, 2016

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HappyWarrior Oct 31, 2016 • 7:52:27am

re: #221 Sir John Barron

Not just that. Former congresscritter and deadbeat dad, Joe Walsh of all people, did too. As did Judge Jeannine from Fox.

Yeah i saw that as well.

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Dr. Matt Oct 31, 2016 • 7:55:53am

re: #216 HappyWarrior

So the argument is that Clinton can’t criticize what Comey is doing now because she and her campaign once praised him. That doesn’t make any sense. And if Scarborough wants to play that game, look at Trump.

8 years ago Trump said Hillary would be a good president.

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HappyWarrior Oct 31, 2016 • 7:56:59am

re: #225 Dr. Matt

8 years ago Trump said Hillary would be a good president.

And said she had been a good Senator.

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LastYearsMan Oct 31, 2016 • 7:57:29am

re: #107 Anymouse

Oath Keepers say their poll-watching operation (which is not legal) will not intimidate voters.

huffingtonpost.com

I’m guessing the word “intimidate” is at least two syllables too long for the average Oathkeeper. And that half of them aren’t sure if it’s any different than “intimate”.

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Sir John Barron Oct 31, 2016 • 7:58:34am

One thing about the Comey letter: if the Huma email thing had come out after the election, amidst FBI agent leaks that Comey/DOJ had conspired—conspired—to withhold that evidence, the frothing rage on the part of Fox News, talk radio, et al would be earth-rattling. HRC’s presidency would be cast as illegitimate (i.e. more illegitimate than it already will be to some).

Not that I’m letting Comey off the hook: Yes he should have been willing to take the post-election outrage, and yes, the letter was worded extremely problematically.

But all things considered, this might not have been the worst potential outcome of this episode.

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danarchy Oct 31, 2016 • 8:00:12am

re: #60 goddamnedfrank

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lawhawk Oct 31, 2016 • 8:01:26am

re: #223 Backwoods_Sleuth

How is it that even this filing is incomplete on its face? What kind of games is Trump playing at here? @Fahrenthold @realDonaldTrump

— lawhawk (@lawhawk) October 31, 2016

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HappyWarrior Oct 31, 2016 • 8:02:15am

re: #229 danarchy

to be fair when you are working with such a small sample size as “Jill Stein supporters” one person can throw the numbers all off :)

I was thinking that too. I imagine Stein supporters already a small number are probably even smaller in Louisiana. That said, it does amuse me that someone could be voting for both Stein and Duke.

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Dr. Matt Oct 31, 2016 • 8:06:50am

Jebus. I am in wholesale block mode on Linkedin now with people ranting about Clinton. Clueless.

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Pawn of the Oppressor Oct 31, 2016 • 8:07:41am

re: #220 lawhawk

EMAILS… EMAILS.

That don’t show a damn thing.

But Russia and Trump ties? Meh.

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The reality is that Russia has been engaging in a propaganda campaign against the US, and found a useful idiot in Trump who parrots the Russian line in world affairs, particularly Ukraine and the Middle East. Apparently, these statements were enough to get US intel sources to investigate further - complete with briefings.

This would seem to be a big deal. Far more important than anything in any Clinton emails found to date (where the worst that can be said is that Clinton shouldn’t have set up a private server, not that classified intel was mishandled - when that wasn’t the case).

Dump is getting his talking points right from Russia too. The other day when he said we would “start world war three” in Syria. I was like, OHHHKAY:

First of all, saying this implies that Dump understands that actions have consequences, an idea which he has not *once* to date shown any signs of understanding…

Second, the “worry” was expressed in a complete sentence…

Third, it bore no resemblance to anything he had said prior…

Like, do Bannon or Dump’s son-in-law get their memes directly from the FSB and SVR, or do they come through intermediaries? How long is the e-mail chain between the tool and the puppet-masters?

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lawhawk Oct 31, 2016 • 8:10:07am

WOW! Dem Pollster: This Year’s Election Shaping Up to Be Like 1980 – 40 State Trump Landslide (VIDEO) https://t.co/0NzeQ86QjS @gatewaypundit

— Jim Hoft (@gatewaypundit) October 31, 2016

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40 state landslide? LMAO. These right wing nuts are simply delusional. Hoft spreads this nonsense and gullible right wingers buy it.

Consider that every reliable poll aggregator shows Clinton winning at least… 17 states (and that’s RCP, which leans GOP normally). That not only puts Clinton at 263 EVs, but limits Trump’s path to pretty much wishful thinking given that he can only safely rely on 14 states, which have far fewer EVs at stake - 164.

If there’s any potential for a landslide, it’s against Trump. Not for him. In fact, there’s a near mathematical impossibility for a Trump landslide (take your pick from PEC, Upshot, 538, etc.)

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The Vicious Babushka Oct 31, 2016 • 8:13:31am

When you’re stoned, EVERYTHING seems hilarious==>
Baby Whiplash never seemed to be the stoner type

5 Reasons The FBI’s New Email Investigation Is HILARIOUS https://t.co/64qLRcUL0m pic.twitter.com/ElhNi6fv4Z

— Ben Shapiro (@benshapiro) October 31, 2016

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lawhawk Oct 31, 2016 • 8:13:53am

Fire at Ford World Headquarters forces evacuation https://t.co/NRfA6nl9Ee

— CNBC (@CNBC) October 31, 2016

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HappyWarrior Oct 31, 2016 • 8:15:28am

re: #234 lawhawk

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40 state landslide? LMAO. These right wing nuts are simply delusional. Hoft spreads this nonsense and gullible right wingers buy it.

Consider that every reliable poll aggregator shows Clinton winning at least… 17 states (and that’s RCP, which leans GOP normally). That not only puts Clinton at 263 EVs, but limits Trump’s path to pretty much wishful thinking given that he can only safely rely on 14 states, which have far fewer EVs at stake - 164.

If there’s any potential for a landslide, it’s against Trump. Not for him. In fact, there’s a near mathematical impossibility for a Trump landslide (take your pick from PEC, Upshot, 538, etc.)

If Jim wants to be really stupid and believe that, I won’t stop him. As much as I would like it to happen, I don’t even think a 40 state win for HRC is in teh cards but that’s the difference between Jim and I.

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Dr. Matt Oct 31, 2016 • 8:15:32am

How Exactly Did Huma Abedin’s Emails End Up On Anthony Weiner’s Computer?

Abedin has reportedly told investigators that she has no idea how “tens of thousands” of her emails ended up on a laptop the FBI seized from Weiner during a separate investigation into whether he sent pictures of his objectively terrible penis to a teen. Abedin previously gave the State Department access to emails from two laptops and a Blackberry, but she didn’t include that laptop, which she viewed as Weiner’s. Anonymous sources told both the Washington Post and CBS that she didn’t regularly use the computer that was seized and seemed “surprised” to find her emails on it.

There are, it seems, three options here: The first, that Abedin regularly used that computer and is lying about it or omitting that information. (And indeed, that she was comfortable sharing a computer with a man who seemingly viewed it as a magical box full of potential sexy DM partners.) Second, she could have occasionally used that computer and the emails ended up on it through the mysteries of the cloud. Or, you know, that she was married to a man with clear and demonstrated impulse-control issues, whose own dreams of power and influence were dashed by his stupid dick, and who found himself in intoxicating proximity to some very important information and, you know, maybe… snooped on his wife?

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HappyWarrior Oct 31, 2016 • 8:16:27am

re: #235 The Vicious Babushka

When you’re stoned, EVERYTHING seems hilarious==>
Baby Whiplash never seemed to be the stoner type

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You know what’s hilarious Ben, that you actually think you’re intelligent when you actually act pretty damn stupid.

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The Vicious Babushka Oct 31, 2016 • 8:18:15am

MOAR STUPIDS from Baby Whiplash, which he thinks is his own razor sharp wit (people on drugs commonly think they are much smarter than they actually are)

Women make up roughly half of the US population, but hold only 19.4% of the seats in Congress https://t.co/a7tZf9gnmo pic.twitter.com/SuI5iJ6eMP

— Julia Manchester (@JuliaManchCNN) October 31, 2016

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Men make up half the population but represent 91 percent of prison inmates. Sexism? https://t.co/HFUh8TUWER

— Ben Shapiro (@benshapiro) October 31, 2016

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HappyWarrior Oct 31, 2016 • 8:20:01am

re: #240 The Vicious Babushka

MOAR STUPIDS from Baby Whiplash, which he thinks is his own razor sharp wit (people on drugs commonly think they are much smarter than they actually are)

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You can see why he was so willing to work for Breitbart when he posts stupid shit like that. Big difference between convicted felons and elected officials but you know that, Mr. I’m sceered of transgendered people.

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Targetpractice Oct 31, 2016 • 8:20:11am

re: #228 Sir John Barron

One thing about the Comey letter: if the Huma email thing had come out after the election, amidst FBI agent leaks that Comey/DOJ had conspired—conspired—to withhold that evidence, the frothing rage on the part of Fox News, talk radio, et al would be earth-rattling. HRC’s presidency would be cast as illegitimate (i.e. more illegitimate than it already will be to some).

Not that I’m letting Comey off the hook: Yes he should have been willing to take the post-election outrage, and yes, the letter was worded extremely problematically.

But all things considered, this might not have been the worst potential outcome of this episode.

Here’s the thing: The FBI is supposed to be above this sort of thing, is supposed to avoid getting sucked into petty partisan politics. If indeed Comey sent this letter as a form of CYA, which is what seems the most likely scenario in light of info that came out since he sent it, then he’s again chosen to put his thumb on the scale in a blatantly partisan fashion. This election supposed to be about things bigger than the career of James Comey. Whether the GOP choose to make him the scapegoat for their loss or not is beside the point.

As to the idea that the GOP would have used the FBI keeping silent about this cache of emails until after the election to attack Hillary’s legitimacy, that ship sailed months ago. They have spent every waking moment since the polls turned on them attacking the legitimacy of this election. These emails would have been one of a laundry list of excuses for their impending loss.

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The Vicious Babushka Oct 31, 2016 • 8:21:23am

The man who shouted ‘Jew-S-A’ at a Trump rally is now blaming Mexicans for his anti-Semitism: https://t.co/CDr8TeU9D0 pic.twitter.com/ye4QDxj4G1

— Fusion (@Fusion) October 31, 2016

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Decatur Deb Oct 31, 2016 • 8:21:48am

re: #234 lawhawk

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40 state landslide? LMAO. These right wing nuts are simply delusional. Hoft spreads this nonsense and gullible right wingers buy it.

Consider that every reliable poll aggregator shows Clinton winning at least… 17 states (and that’s RCP, which leans GOP normally). That not only puts Clinton at 263 EVs, but limits Trump’s path to pretty much wishful thinking given that he can only safely rely on 14 states, which have far fewer EVs at stake - 164.

If there’s any potential for a landslide, it’s against Trump. Not for him. In fact, there’s a near mathematical impossibility for a Trump landslide (take your pick from PEC, Upshot, 538, etc.)

That might well be purposeful delusion. For decades there has been a growing effort to make the country ungovernable—not to take Federal power, but to destroy it. The source is a weird convergence of anarchic libertarianism and throwback confederates.

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Dr. Matt Oct 31, 2016 • 8:23:29am

Lather.Rinse.Repeat

Between the human asshole that is Donald, an actual Weiner, and reminders of Bill’s inability to keep it in his pants, it has never been clearer why we need more women in power.
~Chickendancer 10/31/16 11:01am

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HappyWarrior Oct 31, 2016 • 8:23:42am

re: #243 The Vicious Babushka

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Oh there’s that personal responsibility I hear so much about.

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Timothy Watson Oct 31, 2016 • 8:24:26am

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sagehen Oct 31, 2016 • 8:25:33am

re: #47 goddamnedfrank

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That article is dated a year ago.

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Sir John Barron Oct 31, 2016 • 8:27:02am

re: #234 lawhawk

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40 state landslide? LMAO. These right wing nuts are simply delusional. Hoft spreads this nonsense and gullible right wingers buy it.

Consider that every reliable poll aggregator shows Clinton winning at least… 17 states (and that’s RCP, which leans GOP normally). That not only puts Clinton at 263 EVs, but limits Trump’s path to pretty much wishful thinking given that he can only safely rely on 14 states, which have far fewer EVs at stake - 164.

If there’s any potential for a landslide, it’s against Trump. Not for him. In fact, there’s a near mathematical impossibility for a Trump landslide (take your pick from PEC, Upshot, 538, etc.)

WOW! BREAKING! WOW!

Is Dim Jim talking to crazy Pat Caddell again?

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Dr. Matt Oct 31, 2016 • 8:28:09am

re: #247 Timothy Watson

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Rx: Noise cancelling headphones. PRN

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HappyWarrior Oct 31, 2016 • 8:28:47am

re: #249 Sir John Barron

WOW! BREAKING! WOW!

Is Dim Jim talking to crazy Pat Caddell again?

I like how he talks about Caddell as a serious Dem pollster even though Caddell hasn’t been involved in national Dem politics for years. I’m sure Dim Jim would believe it if you told him there were photos of Hillary with a swastika because that dumb fuck is so fucking gullible.

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Timothy Watson Oct 31, 2016 • 8:29:23am

re: #250 Dr. Matt

Rx: Noise cancelling headphones. PRN

Already have my cheap Panasonic headphones turned up pretty high.

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Targetpractice Oct 31, 2016 • 8:29:24am

re: #234 lawhawk

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40 state landslide? LMAO. These right wing nuts are simply delusional. Hoft spreads this nonsense and gullible right wingers buy it.

Consider that every reliable poll aggregator shows Clinton winning at least… 17 states (and that’s RCP, which leans GOP normally). That not only puts Clinton at 263 EVs, but limits Trump’s path to pretty much wishful thinking given that he can only safely rely on 14 states, which have far fewer EVs at stake - 164.

If there’s any potential for a landslide, it’s against Trump. Not for him. In fact, there’s a near mathematical impossibility for a Trump landslide (take your pick from PEC, Upshot, 538, etc.)

According to wingnuts, every general election is a replay of 1980 where they’re down but going to stage an 11th hour surge that sweeps them to the White House with 40+ state victory. It goes along with their delusion about how every candidate they put up is (at the time) the second-coming of St. Ron and thus fated to start another Golden Age of American Conservatism.

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Backwoods_Sleuth Oct 31, 2016 • 8:30:07am

Trump and Pence to appear at joint event outside of Philly tomorrow per campaign

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Sir John Barron Oct 31, 2016 • 8:30:51am

re: #242 Targetpractice

I won’t dispute any of that.

But, assuming HRC goes on to win anyway, which I think she’ll do, then this is behind her, the FBI and the email die-hards are made to look more foolish, she’s been given a heads-up about problems in the FBI, which she can clean up, etc.

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Dave In Austin Oct 31, 2016 • 8:31:20am

re: #253 Targetpractice

According to wingnuts, every general election is a replay of 1980 where they’re down but going to stage an 11th hour surge that sweeps them to the White House with 40+ state victory. It goes along with their delusion about how every candidate they put up is (at the time) the second-coming of St. Ron and thus fated to start another Golden Age of American Conservatism.

Anything else, it’s “RIGGED!”

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HappyWarrior Oct 31, 2016 • 8:31:31am

re: #253 Targetpractice

According to wingnuts, every general election is a replay of 1980 where they’re down but going to stage an 11th hour surge that sweeps them to the White House with 40+ state victory. It goes along with their delusion about how every candidate they put up is (at the time) the second-coming of St. Ron and thus fated to start another Golden Age of American Conservatism.

Yep.

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Sir John Barron Oct 31, 2016 • 8:31:32am

re: #251 HappyWarrior

I like how he talks about Caddell as a serious Dem pollster even though Caddell hasn’t been involved in national Dem politics for years. I’m sure Dim Jim would believe it if you told him there were photos of Hillary with a swastika because that dumb fuck is so fucking gullible.

Was it actually Caddell? I just guessed.

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Backwoods_Sleuth Oct 31, 2016 • 8:32:16am

Arrest made after manure dumped outside Warren County Dems HQ https://t.co/tGIEtLxZRR pic.twitter.com/jzDwVulWWy https://t.co/TgPNxUXg44

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The Warren County Sheriff’s Office has made an arrest in the case of a truckload of manure dumped at Warren County Democratic Party headquarters.

The suspect, James R. Pinell, 47, of Lebanon, was charged with one count of Criminal Mischief, a misdemeanor of the third degree. He is scheduled to appear in Lebanon Municipal Court for arraignment on Thursday.

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HappyWarrior Oct 31, 2016 • 8:32:28am

re: #256 Dave In Austin

Anything else, it’s “RIGGED!”

That too. They just can’t accept that the Reagan era is over. And none of their candidates are anywhere close to being as competent as Reagan was as campaigners at least.

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HappyWarrior Oct 31, 2016 • 8:32:50am

re: #258 Sir John Barron

Was it actually Caddell? I just guessed.

Yeah it was.

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Jayleia Oct 31, 2016 • 8:35:01am

re: #260 HappyWarrior

Hell, I think Reagan was more competent as President than most of these nitwits.

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Targetpractice Oct 31, 2016 • 8:35:50am

re: #256 Dave In Austin

Anything else, it’s “RIGGED!”

Yep, they remained convinced that the studies showing America is “center-right” means their far-right lunacy is shared by a majority of voters and the only possible reason Democrats keep winning elections is because they’ve “rigged” the vote. Every election, you start hearing about the “graveyard vote,” about “busing in” of illegals, about going around giving booze and cigarettes to the homeless to get their votes, and so forth. Every election, machines mysteriously show up with votes already recorded, ballots get changed, ballots are “found,” and so Republicans lose what should be landslides to Democratic maleficence. They refuse to buy the idea that they are so out of touch with the American mainstream that they’re losing votes due to their lunacy.

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HappyWarrior Oct 31, 2016 • 8:36:32am

re: #262 Jayleia

Hell, I think Reagan was more competent as President than most of these nitwits.

Yeah same. Anyhow. It reminds me really of an old jock trying to relive his glory years constantly. The thing is and I do give Reagan credit for being a good campaigner but Reagan did certainly benefit from a lot going wrong for Carter and Carter and not being as strong as a campaigner as either Clinton or Obama.

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HappyWarrior Oct 31, 2016 • 8:37:18am

re: #263 Targetpractice

Yep, they remained convinced that the studies showing America is “center-right” means their far-right lunacy is shared by a majority of voters and the only possible reason Democrats keep winning elections is because they’ve “rigged” the vote. Every election, you start hearing about the “graveyard vote,” about “busing in” of illegals, about going around giving booze and cigarettes to the homeless to get their votes, and so forth. Every election, machines mysteriously show up with votes already recorded, ballots get changed, ballots are “found,” and so Republicans lose what should be landslides to Democratic maleficence. They refuse to buy the idea that they are so out of touch with the American mainstream that they’re losing votes due to their lunacy.

Exactly and they make it worse for themselves by Gerrymandering so they think “Hey we’re the real majority” except they’re not. Not by a longshot.

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HappyWarrior Oct 31, 2016 • 8:38:03am

And then you have their allies in the media that tell their voters that they’re the true American majority. No one on the right has the balls to tell the right wing base that their worldview is definitely the minority one in this country.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light)) Oct 31, 2016 • 8:39:30am

re: #264 HappyWarrior

Yeah same. Anyhow. It reminds me really of an old jock trying to relive his glory years constantly. The thing is and I do give Reagan credit for being a good campaigner but Reagan did certainly benefit from a lot going wrong for Carter and Carter and not being as strong as a campaigner as either Clinton or Obama.

The country was tired of introspection, learning from the disasters of Vietnam and Watergate and the endless mea culpas, we were ready for heady optimism and Morning in America…

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HappyWarrior Oct 31, 2016 • 8:41:26am

re: #267 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

The country was tired of introspection, learning from the disasters of Vietnam and Watergate and the endless mea culpas, we were ready for heady optimism and Morning in America…

That too. Reagan was the perfect candidate for that time. The problem is every Republican wants to be the new Reagan rather than being themselves. Obama was his own man separate from Bill Clinton just as Hillary is her own woman. I also can’t listen to a Republican candidate speak on the judiciary without echoing the same nonsense about how we need more people like Scalia on the high court. Uh no.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge Oct 31, 2016 • 8:42:02am

re: #263 Targetpractice

Yep, they remained convinced that the studies showing America is “center-right” means their far-right lunacy is shared by a majority of voters and the only possible reason Democrats keep winning elections is because they’ve “rigged” the vote. Every election, you start hearing about the “graveyard vote,” about “busing in” of illegals, about going around giving booze and cigarettes to the homeless to get their votes, and so forth. Every election, machines mysteriously show up with votes already recorded, ballots get changed, ballots are “found,” and so Republicans lose what should be landslides to Democratic maleficence. They refuse to buy the idea that they are so out of touch with the American mainstream that they’re losing votes due to their lunacy.

Unfortunately, America is center-right. A majority vote for the center-right party: The Democrats. It would be nice if there were a center-left party as an alternative, but the options are: Democratic Party (center-right), Republican Party (Insane right-wing fascist), Libertarian Party (Right-wing anarchist), and Green Party (Tool of the Kremlin).

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Decatur Deb Oct 31, 2016 • 8:42:20am

re: #259 Backwoods_Sleuth

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HappyWarrior Oct 31, 2016 • 8:44:32am

re: #269 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Unfortunately, America is center-right. A majority vote for the center-right party: The Democrats. It would be nice if there were a center-left party as an alternative, but the options are: Democratic Party (center-right), Republican Party (Insane right-wing fascist), Libertarian Party (Right-wing anarchist), and Green Party (Tool of the Kremlin).

A letter to the editor in the Post made the point that the Dems have more in common with the Tories than Labour. Michael Gerson had written an op-ed trying to claim that the Dems were more like Labour and the Republicans more like the Tories but the writer of the letter felt and I do too that the GOP is more like the UKIP. I’d say Trump is more like the BNP personally since he’s more populist like them but the point is the same.

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KGxvi Oct 31, 2016 • 8:47:08am

re: #264 HappyWarrior

Yeah same. Anyhow. It reminds me really of an old jock trying to relive his glory years constantly. The thing is and I do give Reagan credit for being a good campaigner but Reagan did certainly benefit from a lot going wrong for Carter and Carter and not being as strong as a campaigner as either Clinton or Obama.

Reagan also had a background as a two term governor where he showed some pragmatism. He signed the most liberal abortion law in the country, he signed off on gun control legislation, and even raised taxes as governor (after campaigning to cut them) because it was the only way to balance the state budget - basically Governor Reagan would have no chance in a Republican primary today, especially when you throw in his time as president of a real live union.

Hell, even after he became president, he was a hell of a lot more pragmatic than any of these idiots give him credit for - he pulled troops from Beriut after the marine barracks bombing, he negotiated START, he raised taxes a few times after cutting them, he signed off on amnesty as part of immigration reform.

The myth of Reagan within the wingularity doesn’t really resemble what actually happened… but then, that’s how myths tend to work, isn’t it?

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Jay C Oct 31, 2016 • 8:47:26am

re: #47 goddamnedfrank

re: #248 sagehen

Not surprising that Ivanka’s “Soho flagship” store folded: retail-space rents down there are astronomical - a lot of “designers” open these places for prestige and/or as loss-leaders: you need a LOT of OTC sales to make your nut: which most boutiques don’t anyway. I see she moved her store back to Trump Tower - probably gets a better deal on the rent (/sarc).

re: #251 HappyWarrior

I’m sure Dim Jim would believe it if you told him there were photos of Hillary with a swastika because that dumb fuck is so fucking gullible.

Yes! - it’s right there in the files next to the one of her with the Confederate flag….

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FormerDirtDart Oct 31, 2016 • 8:49:52am

Peter Thiel, verbatim: “If you’re a single-digit millionaire like Hulk Hogan, you have no effective access to our legal system.”

— Dave Weigel (@daveweigel) October 31, 2016

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Backwoods_Sleuth Oct 31, 2016 • 8:50:26am

NOW: Peter Thiel lauds Trump for being one of the few to “question American exceptionalism” https://t.co/AR84FncIEW pic.twitter.com/kvJ3a88e72

— CBS News (@CBSNews) October 31, 2016

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Peter Thiel lauds Trump for being one of the few to “question American exceptionalism”

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Backwoods_Sleuth Oct 31, 2016 • 8:51:46am

Thiel said we should have border programs like Australia. IT’S AN ISLAND

— Naomi LaChance (@lachancenaomi) October 31, 2016

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Backwoods_Sleuth Oct 31, 2016 • 8:52:30am

Thiel says the media often takes Trump “too literally.” His supporters on the other hand “take Trump seriously, but not literally.”

— Tom Kludt (@TomKludt) October 31, 2016

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this is a very bad person https://t.co/vtnHdB5yTj

— Josh Marshall (@joshtpm) October 31, 2016

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HappyWarrior Oct 31, 2016 • 8:54:32am

re: #274 FormerDirtDart

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William Lewis Oct 31, 2016 • 8:55:09am

re: #262 Jayleia

Hell, I think Reagan was more competent as President than most of these nitwits.

That’s not saying much for that alzheimer’s addled incompetent. Still true but it just points out how radically bad the current GOP is.

“GOP delenda est” to continue channeling the original Cato The Elder.

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HappyWarrior Oct 31, 2016 • 8:55:32am

re: #275 Backwoods_Sleuth

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HappyWarrior Oct 31, 2016 • 8:56:15am

re: #272 KGxvi

Reagan also had a background as a two term governor where he showed some pragmatism. He signed the most liberal abortion law in the country, he signed off on gun control legislation, and even raised taxes as governor (after campaigning to cut them) because it was the only way to balance the state budget - basically Governor Reagan would have no chance in a Republican primary today, especially when you throw in his time as president of a real live union.

Hell, even after he became president, he was a hell of a lot more pragmatic than any of these idiots give him credit for - he pulled troops from Beriut after the marine barracks bombing, he negotiated START, he raised taxes a few times after cutting them, he signed off on amnesty as part of immigration reform.

The myth of Reagan within the wingularity doesn’t really resemble what actually happened… but then, that’s how myths tend to work, isn’t it?

That’s certainly true as well. But yeah the big point is they just see Reagan the winner of two presidential elections more so than Reagan the reality.

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Backwoods_Sleuth Oct 31, 2016 • 8:57:30am

in Grand Rapids:

Pete Hoekstra, opening for Trump, talking about Gaddhafi and Mubarak being “thrown under the bus” under Obama. Trump supported both actions.

— Sopan Deb (@SopanDeb) October 31, 2016

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lawhawk Oct 31, 2016 • 8:57:44am

Over a Third of Trump Supporters Follow White Nationalists on Twitter, Research Finds https://t.co/nwq6KpD8sp via @Esquire

— 8 days til election (@AdamsFlaFan) October 31, 2016

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FormerDirtDart Oct 31, 2016 • 8:57:55am

CNN says its “completely uncomfortable” w/ Donna Brazile’s interactions with Clinton campaign after email suggests she sent another question pic.twitter.com/0HdhhkSrFU

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Should probably hire seven more outsourced Trump press secretary to atone for this indiscretion. https://t.co/0zsZp48V3p

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KGxvi Oct 31, 2016 • 8:58:50am

re: #274 FormerDirtDart

Having litigated a lot of cases, I hate to say it, but there is a great deal of truth to that. Plaintiff firms that run on contingency fees are often underfunded and overtaxed. The big defense have more resources than they know what to do with. Even someone like Hogan is not going to be able to afford two or three years of hourly billing of 10-15 hours a week at $300-500 an hour. So if you’re suing a big corporation, you’re likely going to lose or end up having to settle for nickles on the dollar of the true value of your case.

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HappyWarrior Oct 31, 2016 • 8:59:11am

re: #282 Backwoods_Sleuth

in Grand Rapids:

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The same Qaddafi that sponsored the Lockerbie bombing. Yeah what a great loss that was. // But yeah Trump did support both actions and the only reason why Hokestra and the GOP in Congress opposed Obama on those is because ti was Obama doing it.

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Sir John Barron Oct 31, 2016 • 9:01:16am

re: #282 Backwoods_Sleuth

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KGxvi Oct 31, 2016 • 9:02:28am

re: #286 HappyWarrior

The same Qaddafi that sponsored the Lockerbie bombing. Yeah what a great loss that was. // But yeah Trump did support both actions and the only reason why Hokestra and the GOP in Congress opposed Obama on those is because ti was Obama doing it.

Wait, when in the actual fuck did Qaddafi become one of the good guys? Because I remember at least two or three movies from my childhood in the 80s where the Libyans were literally the bad guys (Back to the Future, Top Gun off the top of my head)

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Jay C Oct 31, 2016 • 9:04:00am

re: #263 Targetpractice

Yep, they remained convinced that the studies showing America is “center-right” means their far-right lunacy is shared by a majority of voters and the only possible reason Democrats keep winning elections is because they’ve “rigged” the vote. Every election, you start hearing about the “graveyard vote,” about “busing in” of illegals, about going around giving booze and cigarettes to the homeless to get their votes, and so forth. Every election, machines mysteriously show up with votes already recorded, ballots get changed, ballots are “found,” and so Republicans lose what should be landslides to Democratic maleficence. They refuse to buy the idea that they are so out of touch with the American mainstream that they’re losing votes due to their lunacy.

Another unhelpful factor is that today’s media environment makes it unfortunately easy for vast segments of the population to get their “information” solely from right-wing media sources - wildly biased, indifferent/hostile to objective “truth” or “balance”, and firmly committed to telling their audience exactly what they want to hear. And feed said audience’s fears/paranoia about political trends which aren’t going precisely their narrow and blinkered way.
I think “They refuse to buy the idea that they are so out of touch with the American mainstream” precisely because they wallow in a “conservative” bubble of derp designed to reassure them 24/7/365 that they ARE the “mainstream”. Pesky things like reality notwithstanding.

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HappyWarrior Oct 31, 2016 • 9:04:16am

re: #288 KGxvi

Wait, when in the actual fuck did Qaddafi become one of the good guys? Because I remember at least two or three movies from my childhood in the 80s where the Libyans were literally the bad guys (Back to the Future, Top Gun off the top of my head)

When Obama supported toppling him. But yeah I know. I am too young to remember the 80’s but even I know that the Libyans and Qaddafi especially were one of our favorite baddies of that era. Crying about Qaddafi being deposed just makes me shake my fucking head.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light)) Oct 31, 2016 • 9:05:40am

re: #268 HappyWarrior

That too. Reagan was the perfect candidate for that time. The problem is every Republican wants to be the new Reagan rather than being themselves.

They do not want to be the historical Reagan, they want to be the rose-tinted-memories-of-morning-in-America Reagan.

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Sir John Barron Oct 31, 2016 • 9:05:54am

re: #288 KGxvi

Wait, when in the actual fuck did Qaddafi become one of the good guys? Because I remember at least two or three movies from my childhood in the 80s where the Libyans were literally the bad guys (Back to the Future, Top Gun off the top of my head)

We have always been at war with Eastasia.

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lawhawk Oct 31, 2016 • 9:09:29am

re: #285 KGxvi

Having litigated a lot of cases, I hate to say it, but there is a great deal of truth to that. Plaintiff firms that run on contingency fees are often underfunded and overtaxed. The big defense have more resources than they know what to do with. Even someone like Hogan is not going to be able to afford two or three years of hourly billing of 10-15 hours a week at $300-500 an hour. So if you’re suing a big corporation, you’re likely going to lose or end up having to settle for nickles on the dollar of the true value of your case.

Which is why the recent Supreme Court cases that enable companies to enforce mediation/ADR over class actions harms small plaintiffs even more, since they’re not going to get the same level of being made whole as if under a class action suit. It’s yet another way that big companies have managed to insulate themselves from consequences of their own wrongdoing.

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FormerDirtDart Oct 31, 2016 • 9:10:14am

Donald Trump said 27 false things yesterday. #TrumpCheck pic.twitter.com/iv343eINgB

— Daniel Dale (@ddale8) October 31, 2016

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lawhawk Oct 31, 2016 • 9:10:30am

re: #288 KGxvi

Iron Eagle.

And Libya was involved in Pan Am 103 bombing. So yeah, this revisionist history is mind boggling nuts.

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HappyWarrior Oct 31, 2016 • 9:12:50am

re: #295 lawhawk

Iron Eagle.

And Libya was involved in Pan Am 103 bombing. So yeah, this revisionist history is mind boggling nuts.

He also sponsored terrorism around the world. Wonder what Trump’s UKIP buds think about his surrogates decrying the removal of a guy who funded IRA attacks.

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Nyet Oct 31, 2016 • 9:13:04am

re: #238 Dr. Matt

In any case, if the emails are indeed there, it’s a stunning show of incompetence on Abedin’s part for which she has to pay (if).

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thedopefishlives Oct 31, 2016 • 9:13:27am

Morning Lizardim. So the Mrs. Fish has tasked me with configuring my drone to be a remote-control ghost for tonight’s festivities. I hope it has enough lifting power. We’ll see what happens. How go things among the lizardfolk?

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jimmyvluv4u Oct 31, 2016 • 9:14:46am

re: #297 Nyet

Is there any scenario to the campaign in which Huma is not a massive liability at this point? Outside of rightwing conspiracy theories, I can’t fathom how she’s still around the campaign. When the last Weiner scandal broke, I thought for sure they’d take the opportunity to sideline her.

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KGxvi Oct 31, 2016 • 9:15:51am

re: #293 lawhawk

Which is why the recent Supreme Court cases that enable companies to enforce mediation/ADR over class actions harms small plaintiffs even more, since they’re not going to get the same level of being made whole as if under a class action suit. It’s yet another way that big companies have managed to insulate themselves from consequences of their own wrongdoing.

As much as I like mediation (if cases didn’t settle, the system would end in a pile of smoldering rubble; plus most people don’t want to litigate for a year, let alone 2 or 3), I absolutely despise binding arbitration and contractual pre-litigation mediation.

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Nyet Oct 31, 2016 • 9:17:10am

re: #299 jimmyvluv4u

Only if the reports of her emails on Weiner’s PC are BS.

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Backwoods_Sleuth Oct 31, 2016 • 9:19:51am

he’s late again…

The wait for @realDonaldTrump @DeltaPlex continues. He’s now expected to take the stage around 1:45 p.m. https://t.co/UffoLV9gJ9 pic.twitter.com/GUy3ffTFGX

— WOOD TV8 (@WOODTV) October 31, 2016

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Ziggy_TARDIS Oct 31, 2016 • 9:20:46am

It’s middle of day 8 days from Election Day—& all you see is trackings & deluge of Remingtons. Very much unlike anything in past 10 years.

— Taniel (@Taniel) October 31, 2016

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sagehen Oct 31, 2016 • 9:22:20am

re: #264 HappyWarrior

Yeah same. Anyhow. It reminds me really of an old jock trying to relive his glory years constantly. The thing is and I do give Reagan credit for being a good campaigner but Reagan did certainly benefit from a lot going wrong for Carter and Carter and not being as strong as a campaigner as either Clinton or Obama.

It is my belief that Reagan was one of the greatest actors of all time. That he played the role of “President” on the campaign trail, at state dinners, and other public appearances, while HW very quietly behind closed doors did all the serious policy work.

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Backwoods_Sleuth Oct 31, 2016 • 9:22:42am

On the one hand, Trump is late. On the other, they’re playing “The Monster Mash” here in Grand Rapids at his rally. So, I call it a wash.

— Ali Vitali (@alivitali) October 31, 2016

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Dr. Matt Oct 31, 2016 • 9:23:06am

re: #302 Backwoods_Sleuth

he’s late again…

Waiting for the high to kick in. Coke resistance is a bitch.

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ObserverArt Oct 31, 2016 • 9:24:21am

Speaking of email reports…where in hell did this 650,000 emails discovered on this laptop come from? I’ve heard it several times, I wasn’t paying close attention, but I think Savannah Guthrie said it again this morning on The Today Show about a report coming up later in the show (which I did not see).

650,000…that’s like a server full.

As many are thinking, is this a folder that is reading to a connection to the server through the laptop and not emails on it?

This story just seems strange in so many ways.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light)) Oct 31, 2016 • 9:24:26am

re: #306 Dr. Matt

Waiting for the high to kick in. Coke resistance is a bitch.

because the good dealers are no longer supplying since he burned them so many times…

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light)) Oct 31, 2016 • 9:25:22am

re: #307 ObserverArt

This story just seems strange in so many ways.

The story says Hillary, FBI warrant, e-mails…that is enough in itself to give it legs.

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Sherlock Hound Oct 31, 2016 • 9:25:34am

re: #304 sagehen

I had a history professor who pointed out that Reagan was an excellent head of state, but not so much a good head of government (let alone a good manager).

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Ming5000 Oct 31, 2016 • 9:27:42am

re: #282 Backwoods_Sleuth

Remembering Hoekstra from the 2009 Iran Green Revolution:

From TPM:

Earlier today, Rep. Peter Hoekstra (R-MI) put up this astonishing post on Twitter, likening the oppression of the Iranian people to the plight of House Republicans:

Iranian twitter activity similar to what we did in House last year when Republicans were shut down in the House.

In the hours since, the Twitter community has responded — with massive heckling. Here’s just a small sample of some of the best ones:

ArjunJaikumar @petehoekstra i spilled some lukewarm coffee on myself just now, which is somewhat analogous to being boiled in oil

chrisbaskind @petehoekstra My neighbor stopped me to talk today. Now I know what it is like to be questioned by the Basij!

Hoekstra, what a maroon. More funny tweets at the link.

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wrenchwench Oct 31, 2016 • 9:29:14am

My faith in humanity is restored.

I was just trick-or-treated by 40 Head Start kids. The last one was in a costume made out of a cardboard box. Those are my favorites.

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Nyet Oct 31, 2016 • 9:29:35am

re: #307 ObserverArt

Probably lots of spam from porno sites, seeing how this is Weiner’s stuff… ;)

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danarchy Oct 31, 2016 • 9:31:48am

re: #307 ObserverArt

Speaking of email reports…where in hell did this 650,000 emails discovered on this laptop come from? I’ve heard it several times, I wasn’t paying close attention, but I think Savannah Guthrie said it again this morning on The Today Show about a report coming up later in the show (which I did not see).

650,000…that’s like a server full.

As many are thinking, is this a folder that is reading to a connection to the server through the laptop and not emails on it?

This story just seems strange in so many ways.

I have clients who easily have that many items in their mailbox.

But I think that 650000 is the total number of items on the laptop, no breakdown of how many are Huma’s vs. Weiner’s.

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Ming5000 Oct 31, 2016 • 9:33:40am

TahirDuckett @petehoekstra ran through the sprinklers this morning, claimed solidarity with victims of Hurricane Katrina
paganmist @petehoekstra Had to move all my stuff to a new office w/o a corner view. Now i know what the Trail of Tears was like. #GOPfail

Gosh, I know it gets said here often, but the GOP was unhinged long before Trump. And, the good news, many people recognized the derpitude.

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Nyet Oct 31, 2016 • 9:33:54am

650K emails in, say, 10 years are around 180 emails per day…

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Jay C Oct 31, 2016 • 9:34:11am

re: #304 sagehen

It is my belief that Reagan was one of the greatest actors of all time. That he played the role of “President” on the campaign trail, at state dinners, and other public appearances, while HW very quietly behind closed doors did all the serious policy work.

This.
I’ve always thought the history of the Reagan Administration could be described as the plot-synopsis from a TV movie:

“The President of the United States is replaced by an actor, and no one notices”

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light)) Oct 31, 2016 • 9:35:42am

re: #304 sagehen

It is my belief that Reagan was one of the greatest actors of all time. That he played the role of “President” on the campaign trail, at state dinners, and other public appearances, while HW very quietly behind closed doors did all the serious policy work.

Much the same with GW Bush and Cheney

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge Oct 31, 2016 • 9:37:22am

There was some discussion the other day about Jim Humble’s Genesis II Church and its Miracle Mineral Solution (28% sodium chlorite) treatment—industrial bleach enemas and oral doses to cure cancer and autism, and pretty much anything. Orac has a new post on it today, linking to 20/20 and KABC reports:

Bleaching away what ails you: Miracle Mineral Solution and Jim Humble’s Genesis II Church

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Dr. Matt Oct 31, 2016 • 9:37:27am

The story is 2 days old. I just saw this now. Unbelievable. He really is a manchild.

Donald Trump ‘had to ask what a Gold Star family was’ after he attacked the Muslim-American parents of the solider killed in Iraq

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Nyet Oct 31, 2016 • 9:39:46am

re: #316 Nyet

Much of it could be accounted for by:
- spam
- improperly set up social network options, like sending you an email for every retweet, etc.
- numerous (political) mailing lists

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Nyet Oct 31, 2016 • 9:41:11am

re: #321 Nyet

Twitter just turned on a new feature that will email you every time someone retweets or favorites a tweet of yours on the service.

Imagine if he got a mail for every “like”?

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge Oct 31, 2016 • 9:41:27am

re: #321 Nyet

Much of it could be accounted for by:
- spam
- improperly set up social network options, like sending you an email for every retweet, etc.
- numerous (political) mailing lists

I’ve never used a desktop email client. Can’t imagine wasting drive space with all that crap.

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sagehen Oct 31, 2016 • 9:46:08am

re: #318 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Much the same with GW Bush and Cheney

Except that Cheney was never quiet.

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lawhawk Oct 31, 2016 • 9:48:09am

Thanks for the reminder that the GOP fears turnout more than everything else. GOTV and GOP loses @rudygiulianiGOP @realDonaldTrump

— lawhawk (@lawhawk) October 31, 2016

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danarchy Oct 31, 2016 • 9:49:36am

re: #323 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

I’ve never used a desktop email client. Can’t imagine wasting drive space with all that crap.

With drive sizes what they are it hardly matters. Most mailboxes may consume a few Gb of space, I have some clients who use their mailbox s a filing cabinet for documents and stuff and those mailboxes approach 20-30 Gb. Microsoft has a hard limit at 50Gb for an outlook data file. When a 2Tb drive can be had for under $100, it is hardly worth worrying about.

Besides, most mail systems have pretty good spam filters these days, I get almost no spam and have almost 200,000 items in my mailbox which goes back to about 2010.

Having your desktop cache your email has big benefits for performance and allowing offline access to email.

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Dr. Matt Oct 31, 2016 • 9:50:48am

re: #316 Nyet

650K emails in, say, 10 years are around 180 emails per day…

Yeah. That’s realistic. It’s 12:50 pm my time and I’ve already had 89 emails today. I imagine her inbox is a steady stream of incoming.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge Oct 31, 2016 • 9:54:10am

re: #326 danarchy

With drive sizes what they are it hardly matters. Most mailboxes may consume a few Gb of space, I have some clients who use their mailbox s a filing cabinet for documents and stuff and those mailboxes approach 20-30 Gb. Microsoft has a hard limit at 50Gb for an outlook data file. When a 2Tb drive can be had for under $100, it is hardly worth worrying about.

Besides, most mail systems have pretty good spam filters these days, I get almost no spam and have almost 200,000 items in my mailbox which goes back to about 2010.

Having your desktop cache your email has big benefits for performance and allowing offline access to email.

Yeah, I suppose if email were really important to you, that would be the way to go. To quote a character on a 20-year-old old TV show: “You get somebody on the phone and then you type at them. Doesn’t this seem like a regressive technology to anyone but me?”

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ObserverArt Oct 31, 2016 • 9:55:51am

Just saw a NY Daily News article from today that does nothing to clear any of this mess up. I am still wondering about the number 650,000 emails and how the media just ties that number to Clinton emails.

From this article it appears there are 650,000 emails on Anthony Weiner’s laptop…and the FBI has no idea if any of them are from the Clinton server. This almost appears to be speculation on the FBI’s part due to the relationship between Weiner and Abedin.

WTF??? Too many may be and might be words in this article that tell me no one knows if any of this ties to Clinton. But Comey reacted and wrote the letter and caused this mess anyway. This is getting more and more odoriferous.

NY Daily News - FBI set to review 650,000 Weiner-laptop emails for Clinton server ties as hope for quick resolution fades

BY ADAM EDELMAN
NEW YORK DAILY NEWS
Updated: Monday, October 31, 2016, 4:34 AM

In a last-ditch effort, the FBI will now comb through 650,000 emails found on Anthony Weiner’s computer during a sexting probe to look for a batch that might be linked to Hillary Clinton’s private email server.

And in a head-scratching twist, reports Sunday said FBI agents learned of the emails on a computer belonging to Weiner — the estranged husband of top Clinton aide Huma Abedin — in early October but did not brief FBI Director James Comey until late last week. That chronology raises questions about his role in potentially upending the already chaotic presidential race.

The 11th-hour reopening of a probe that supposedly ended in July when Comey cleared the Democratic nominee of any criminal wrongdoing but criticized her for being “extremely careless” with the use of a private server rocked the campaign and caused Clinton aides to question whether the FBI chief was taking political sides.

“Your actions in recent months have demonstrated a disturbing double standard for the treatment of sensitive information, with what appears to be a closer intent to aid one political party over another,” Senate Minority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) railed in a scathing letter to Comey, a Republican who was nominated to lead the FBI by President Obama.

“Through your partisan action, you may have broken the law,” Reid added, referring to the Hatch Act, which bars federal officials from using their official authority to influence an election.

Reid also claimed that Comey had sat on “explosive information about close ties and coordination between Donald Trump … and the Russian government” while simultaneously “tarring Secretary Clinton with thin innuendo.

“You rushed to take this step 11 days before a presidential election, despite the fact that for all you know, the information you possess could be entirely duplicative of the information you already examined which exonerated Secretary Clinton,” Reid wrote.- - CUT - -

Democratic vice presidential nominee Tim Kaine characterized Comey’s actions as “extremely puzzling” and called on the FBI to reveal more information.

“Director Comey knows nothing about the content of these emails. We don’t know whether they’re to or from Hillary at all,” he said on ABC’s “This Week.” “If he hasn’t seen the emails, I mean, they need to make that completely plain. Then they should work to see the emails and release the circumstances of those once they have done that analysis.”

According to reports in The Wall Street Journal and The Washington Post, FBI agents learned of the existence of the new laptop in early October, during their investigation into Weiner allegedly exchanging sexually lewd messages with a 15-year-old North Carolina girl.

Comey was not briefed on the new discovery until Thursday, The Post reported, a critical update that prompted him the very next day — just 11 days before the election and reportedly against directives from the Department of Justice — to notify key congressional committees that he would reopen the case.

Part of the delay, The Wall Street Journal reported, was due to the fact that FBI agents had to wait for the proper court orders and warrants to look at the Clinton-related emails, because they discovered them as part of a separate investigation.

The FBI finally obtained the proper warrants on Sunday evening, CBS News reported, meaning the work in sorting through the hundreds of thousands of emails has only just begun.

Thousands of emails on the computer may have been sent to or from the private Clinton server the FBI examined in its original investigation to Weiner’s computer, The Wall Street Journal reported.

But the sheer volume of emails that agents will now have to review — just to determine which are duplicates of emails they’ve already looked at and whether any contain classified information — will ensure that the latest stage of the probe will not end until after the Nov. 8 election.

The Clinton camp maintained Sunday they felt that the newly discovered emails had already been looked over as part of the organization’s earlier probe into Clinton’s emails.

“If these are emails from Huma Abedin, we don’t know if they are, but if they are, we assume they’d have to be redundant because she already turned over all of her emails,” Mook said Sunday on NBC’s “Meet the Press.”

Abedin herself, who separated from Weiner in August, reportedly said she had no knowledge that any of her emails would have been on that computer, according to CBS News.

That laptop, sources told the network, belonged to Weiner and was not shared with Abedin.

In prior sworn testimony from earlier this year, Abedin had said she’d provided the FBI with all devices she used for email related to the State Department.

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Backwoods_Sleuth Oct 31, 2016 • 9:56:28am

re: #325 lawhawk

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I’ve been seeing that account being retweeted a lot lately.
Profile says:

Trump for President Supporter, Parody of Former Mayor of New York City and Current Republican Consultant.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light)) Oct 31, 2016 • 9:57:13am

This just popped up on my FB feed…any other verification?

BREAKING: ABC Uncovers MILLIONS Of Payments From Russia To Trump, Campaign Panics

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Nyet Oct 31, 2016 • 9:57:24am

re: #327 Dr. Matt

Yeah. That’s realistic. It’s 12:50 pm my time and I’ve already had 89 emails today. I imagine her inbox is a steady stream of incoming.

His. I don’t assume that any Abedin emails (if they are actually there) constitute a majority of emails on Weiner’s machine.

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Teukka Oct 31, 2016 • 9:58:22am

Just took the time to watch the docu.
Boy am I fuming right now.

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Dr. Matt Oct 31, 2016 • 9:58:31am

Dog takes swimming lessons, “fails” adorably (Video)

Iframe

I actually do NOT think this is a “fail”. Rather, this is 100% winning.

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Nyet Oct 31, 2016 • 9:58:58am

re: #331 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Simple question: why does the piece contain no link to the original reporting?

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Backwoods_Sleuth Oct 31, 2016 • 9:59:02am

TRIVIA: The last time we were in this Grand Rapids arena, Trump mocked Clinton’s bathroom use and said “schlonged.” https://t.co/wwWqqEtCkG

— Jenna Johnson (@wpjenna) October 31, 2016

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(he’s still not there…rally was supposed to start an hour ago.)

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lawhawk Oct 31, 2016 • 9:59:47am

re: #331 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

That’s a Bipartisan Report rehash of an older story.

Original story:

abcnews.go.com

That’s from last month, and apparently it didn’t have much follow up since the Trump campaign lumbered into another scandal pretty much immediately.

The Bipartisan Report tries to recycle older news items, and isn’t exactly providing links to the original reporting either. Misleading at best.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light)) Oct 31, 2016 • 10:00:03am

re: #335 Nyet

Simple question: why does the piece contain no link to the original reporting?

no idea, just popped up from my nephew on my FB feed

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Dr. Matt Oct 31, 2016 • 10:00:21am

re: #332 Nyet

His. I don’t assume that any Abedin emails (if they are actually there) constitute a majority of emails on Weiner’s machine.

Hell, if it’s Weiner’s machine then 180/day is a low ball. I have no doubt he has a steady stream of porn and boner pills adverts in his inbox.

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Sir John Barron Oct 31, 2016 • 10:00:54am

re: #337 lawhawk

That’s a Bipartisan Report rehash of an older story.

Original story:

abcnews.go.com

That’s from last month, and apparently it didn’t have much follow up since the Trump campaign lumbered into another scandal pretty much immediately.

Yeah I don’t think they’re a reliable source of information.

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Nyet Oct 31, 2016 • 10:01:11am

re: #338 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Clickbait.

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Backwoods_Sleuth Oct 31, 2016 • 10:02:14am

Legendary basketball coach Bobby Knight who has 900+ wins, many championships and a gold medal will be introducing me in Michigan shortly. pic.twitter.com/RZUYpuS5yG

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) October 31, 2016

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Watch out he don’t grab your junk, Dondi https://t.co/Uh5H2ZshYu

— Keith Olbermann (@KeithOlbermann) October 31, 2016

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danarchy Oct 31, 2016 • 10:03:02am

re: #329 ObserverArt

From this article it appears there are 650,000 emails on Anthony Weiner’s laptop…and the FBI has no idea if any of them are from the Clinton server. This almost appears to be speculation on the FBI’s part due to the relationship between Weiner and Abedin.

I read an article, don’t remember where that said when they did a metadata search they found messages numbering in the thousands to and from the clinton email server as well as state.gov addresses.

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Nyet Oct 31, 2016 • 10:03:40am

re: #342 Backwoods_Sleuth

@realDonaldTrump So some old idiot will introduce a proto-fascist. Your point being?

— Sergey Romanov (@S_ergeyR_omanov) October 31, 2016

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KingKenrod Oct 31, 2016 • 10:05:24am

So do they like Bobby Knight in Michigan? I’m guessing not one bit.

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Franklin Oct 31, 2016 • 10:06:06am

re: #326 danarchy

With drive sizes what they are it hardly matters. Most mailboxes may consume a few Gb of space, I have some clients who use their mailbox s a filing cabinet for documents and stuff and those mailboxes approach 20-30 Gb. Microsoft has a hard limit at 50Gb for an outlook data file. When a 2Tb drive can be had for under $100, it is hardly worth worrying about.

Besides, most mail systems have pretty good spam filters these days, I get almost no spam and have almost 200,000 items in my mailbox which goes back to about 2010.

Having your desktop cache your email has big benefits for performance and allowing offline access to email.

Additionally, that could be an .ost database (assuming Outlook) and not a .pst

So the laptop may have been configured for server based email access but a local copy stored for offline access.

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Mike Lamb Oct 31, 2016 • 10:06:14am

re: #344 Nyet

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An old idiot with a history of assaulting players and students introduces an old idiot with a history of assaulting women. Peas in a pod.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light)) Oct 31, 2016 • 10:06:25am

re: #345 KingKenrod

So do they like Bobby Knight in Michigan? I’m guessing not one bit.

Some people talk to chairs, others throw them…

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The Vicious Babushka Oct 31, 2016 • 10:08:18am

re: #342 Backwoods_Sleuth

That side part. OMFG.

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Nyet Oct 31, 2016 • 10:08:20am

re: #347 Mike Lamb

It could be the Pope for all I care, any Trump voter and booster is scum.

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lawhawk Oct 31, 2016 • 10:08:52am

Trump couldn’t manage to get a Michigan coach? He had to import one from Indiana, who’s known for assaulting students and chairs? Seriously? He thinks that Bobby Knight is a great get?

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Interesting Times Oct 31, 2016 • 10:08:56am

re: #348 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Some people talk to chairs, others throw them…

And then there are those who…well…

Trump humping an empty chair while Clinton gives a nuanced explanation is the perfect metaphor for their campaigns https://t.co/EImrKdsQzr

— Adam Khan (@Khanoisseur) October 10, 2016

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danarchy Oct 31, 2016 • 10:10:28am

re: #346 Franklin

Additionally, that could be an .ost database (assuming Outlook) and not a .pst

So they laptop may have been configured for server based email access but a local copy stored for offline access.

Even if they were using an Apple machine with Mac mail if they were connecting to the exchange server with EWS or imap it would have synced the entire mailbox locally. There are lots of ways, even if she only accessed her mail from that machine a couple of times that it could have a pretty full copy of her mailbox.

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Dr. Matt Oct 31, 2016 • 10:11:33am

re: #351 lawhawk

Trump couldn’t manage to get a Michigan coach? He had to import one from Indiana, who’s known for assaulting students and chairs? Seriously? He thinks that Bobby Knight is a great get?

Harbaugh, Beilein, Izzo, and Dantonio have better things to do then meet with the Orange Fuhrer.

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KGxvi Oct 31, 2016 • 10:12:02am

re: #351 lawhawk

Trump couldn’t manage to get a Michigan coach? He had to import one from Indiana, who’s known for assaulting students and chairs? Seriously? He thinks that Bobby Knight is a great get?

Urban Meyer wasn’t available… Also, can’t wait to see Nick Saban introduce him in Florida.

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Dr. Matt Oct 31, 2016 • 10:12:41am

re: #341 Nyet

Clickbait.

I just recently removed bipartisanreport.com from my facebook feed because it’s a steady stream of clickbate.

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lawhawk Oct 31, 2016 • 10:14:15am

In spirit of Halloween:

Kelsey Grammer dressed up as Sideshow Bob for Halloween https://t.co/OjxozwOO7q pic.twitter.com/dV9wCmOgvf

— BuzzFeed (@BuzzFeed) October 31, 2016

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Franklin Oct 31, 2016 • 10:14:35am

re: #353 danarchy

Even if they were using an Apple machine with Mac mail if they were connecting to the exchange server with EWS or imap it would have synced the entire mailbox locally. There are lots of ways, even if she only accessed her mail from that machine a couple of times that it could have a pretty full copy of her mailbox.

Exactly. And to your point, with disk space so cheap (on the server and the desktop) people don’t even bother to empty their deleted or spam folders.

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ObserverArt Oct 31, 2016 • 10:16:51am

re: #353 danarchy

Even if they were using an Apple machine with Mac mail if they were connecting to the exchange server with EWS or imap it would have synced the entire mailbox locally. There are lots of ways, even if she only accessed her mail from that machine a couple of times that it could have a pretty full copy of her mailbox.

This is what I think is going on.

Some of this type of info should be explained by both the FBI and the media reporting. I know it would go over the heads of a lot of people, but it is important to at least mention the basics instead of hanging fat numbers like 650,000 emails out there.

I know, I expect too much, but if this can’t be covered properly before the facts are known, then none of it should have been mentioned. Pretty clear to me why it was though.

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Tigger2 Oct 31, 2016 • 10:17:28am

re: #342 Backwoods_Sleuth

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@realDonaldTrump You mean that guy that had a temper tantrum and threw a chair across the BB court. , Yep that’s your kind of guy Trump

— jim (@jlcoffeecup) October 31, 2016

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lawhawk Oct 31, 2016 • 10:18:10am

Donald Trump is refusing to pay his campaign pollster nearly three-quarters of a million dollars https://t.co/X0uLGFBIn4

— Washington Post (@washingtonpost) October 31, 2016

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Trump’s probably pissed that the pollster’s confirming everything that the other major polling outfits are saying - that he’s on his way to a historic loss to Clinton. And we know Trump hates paying for stuff if he isn’t getting what he wants (or even when he does).

My guess is that there’ll be more of these suits by vendors against Trump after the election winds down and Trump refuses to pay in a timely fashion - screwing over American workers and businesses in the process.

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Backwoods_Sleuth Oct 31, 2016 • 10:18:39am

Retired basketball couch Bobby Knight at rally in Grand Rapids: “Donald Trump is a tough, son of a bitch.”

— Jenna Johnson (@wpjenna) October 31, 2016

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Kilroy was here Oct 31, 2016 • 10:19:31am

re: #362 Backwoods_Sleuth

So is “tough” the new “Dumb?”

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Sir John Barron Oct 31, 2016 • 10:19:37am

re: #361 lawhawk

This is fine. Everything is fine.

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Sir John Barron Oct 31, 2016 • 10:20:35am

re: #362 Backwoods_Sleuth

Retired basketball couch Bobby Knight at rally in Grand Rapids: “Donald Trump is a tough, son of a bitch.”
— Jenna Johnson

And I’ve already voted for HRC. Damn. If Knight’s endorsement had only come sooner…..

///

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thedopefishlives Oct 31, 2016 • 10:21:53am

re: #365 Sir John Barron

And I’ve already voted for HRC. Damn. If Knight’s endorsement had only come sooner…..

///

You can change your vote. Just fill out another ballot and mail it in. Four, five times even.

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Franklin Oct 31, 2016 • 10:22:02am

re: #361 lawhawk

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Trump’s probably pissed that the pollster’s confirming everything that the other major polling outfits are saying - that he’s on his way to a historic loss to Clinton. And we know Trump hates paying for stuff if he isn’t getting what he wants (or even when he does).

My guess is that there’ll be more of these suits by vendors against Trump after the election winds down and Trump refuses to pay in a timely fashion - screwing over American workers and businesses in the process.

Donald Trump is refusing to pay his campaign pollster nearly three-quarters of a million dollars https://t.co/X0uLGFBIn4

— Washington Post (@washingtonpost) October 31, 2016

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“Why would I pay them, their polls were just as bad as the rigged media polls. Sad!” - @realDonaldTrump, probably https://t.co/3BYOJo1ElS

— Nasty Hombre (@franklinftw) October 31, 2016

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Nyet Oct 31, 2016 • 10:23:31am

Ted Rall can go fuck himself.

rasmussenreports.com

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light)) Oct 31, 2016 • 10:23:57am

re: #367 Franklin

Donald Trump is refusing to pay his campaign pollster nearly three-quarters of a million dollars

Sorry, but I cannot sympathize with anyone who enters into a business agreement with DT and expects any sort of timely payment…

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Barefoot Grin Oct 31, 2016 • 10:25:07am

re: #359 ObserverArt

This is what I think is going on.

Some of this type of info should be explained by both the FBI and the media reporting. I know it would go over the heads of a lot of people, but it is important to at least mention the basics instead of hanging fat numbers like 650,000 emails out there.

I know, I expect too much, but if this can’t be covered properly before the facts are known, then none of it should have been mentioned. Pretty clear to me why it was though.

In the trailer for the movie “Weiner” you can see them (Anthony and Huma) crouched over a Macbook or Macbook Air.

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KGxvi Oct 31, 2016 • 10:25:57am

re: #367 Franklin

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I can’t wait to see the first presidential campaign in American history that files for bankruptcy protection. How utterly fucking fantastic would that be?

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Backwoods_Sleuth Oct 31, 2016 • 10:26:26am

Trump in Grand Rapids: “I hear we’re doing great in Michigan. We’re going to win Michigan.”

— Ryan Struyk (@ryanstruyk) October 31, 2016

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HappyWarrior Oct 31, 2016 • 10:26:40am

Watching Ramos’ documentary. Fascinating but infuriating. Ramos is a great journalist. Wish more journalists were like him.

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Sir John Barron Oct 31, 2016 • 10:27:29am

re: #371 KGxvi

I can’t wait to see the first presidential campaign in American history that files for bankruptcy protection. How utterly fucking fantastic would that be?

Newt should have. Probably still hasn’t paid off his debts.

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Backwoods_Sleuth Oct 31, 2016 • 10:28:30am

Still laughing over this hashtag that the trumpers started using:

🚨BREAKING: Fox reports FBI source says emails on devices are new records and likely contain classified material

🏃🏼‍♀️🚔#HillaryForPrision

— Jared Wyand 🇺🇸 (@JaredWyand) October 31, 2016

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Belafon Oct 31, 2016 • 10:29:22am

When you’ve lost:

Ex-AGs Alberto Gonzales, Eric Holder rip FBI director :

Republican former US Attorney General Alberto Gonzales on Monday slammed the FBI director’s recent actions in the investigation into Hillary Clinton’s email server.

He called Comey’s actions an “error in judgment” and said he is “somewhat perplexed about what the director was trying to accomplish here.”

When he can recognize how fucked up it is, you done fucked up big.

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Backwoods_Sleuth Oct 31, 2016 • 10:29:51am

Trump in Grand Rapids: “We’re doing great in Michigan, we’re going to win Michigan.” (polls show Clinton up about 6)

— Karen Travers (@karentravers) October 31, 2016

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Dr Lizardo Oct 31, 2016 • 10:30:13am

re: #369 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Sorry, but I cannot sympathize with anyone who enters into a business agreement with DT and expects any sort of timely payment…

The only way to enter into any business agreement with Trump is payment in full, 100%, before beginning the job.

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ObserverArt Oct 31, 2016 • 10:30:20am

re: #368 Nyet

Ted Rall can go fuck himself.

rasmussenreports.com

I read a ton of comments elsewhere that has this very thinking involved. I guess a lot of the far left is looking for someone that really does not exist.

But in the meantime, the country can get in even more of a mess with Trump because the next time the perfect left candidate will appear and all Democrats will be so hungry for that pure liberalism they will be carried to the presidency easily.

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HappyWarrior Oct 31, 2016 • 10:31:44am

re: #368 Nyet

Ted Rall can go fuck himself.

rasmussenreports.com

Never have liked that asshole.

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Backwoods_Sleuth Oct 31, 2016 • 10:31:56am

China is building new skyscrapers and your buildings in Michigan are crumbling — donald in Grand Rapids

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Jebediah, RBG Oct 31, 2016 • 10:32:57am

re: #19 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

When I used to make bread, I used honey and molasses to replace most of the sugar and I was always happy with the results.

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thedopefishlives Oct 31, 2016 • 10:34:48am

re: #375 Backwoods_Sleuth

Still laughing over this hashtag that the trumpers started using:

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“Fox reports FBI sources say.” Wow. That’s Chuck C. Johnson-level reporting right there.

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KGxvi Oct 31, 2016 • 10:35:21am

My favorite thing from this weekend was this clip I saw on Last Week Tonight:

Biden Weiner “Oh God…”

It’s sad when John Oliver can’t even have fun with a Carlos Danger story…

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Backwoods_Sleuth Oct 31, 2016 • 10:35:49am

re: #383 thedopefishlives

“Fox reports FBI sources say.” Wow. That’s Chuck C. Johnson-level reporting right there.

They also do not know how to spell “prison” in that hashtag.

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thedopefishlives Oct 31, 2016 • 10:36:30am

re: #385 Backwoods_Sleuth

They also do not know how to spell “prison” in that hashtag.

Yeah, I saw that. I giggled.

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The Vicious Babushka Oct 31, 2016 • 10:37:44am

Can this guy get any more stupid? There seems to be no bottom to TEH STUPIDS.

I’m less offended by someone saying the N word than I am by the entire Democrat Party treating black voters like slaves.

— Bill Mitchell (@mitchellvii) October 31, 2016

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The Vicious Babushka Oct 31, 2016 • 10:38:42am

WATCH: Trump says “Thank you Huma!” “Thank you Anthony Weiner!” at rally in Grand Rapids, MI https://t.co/H9n7JKbYS7 pic.twitter.com/bA114rRxyB

— CBS News (@CBSNews) October 31, 2016

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HappyWarrior Oct 31, 2016 • 10:39:12am

re: #387 The Vicious Babushka

Can this guy get any more stupid? There seems to be no bottom to TEH STUPIDS.

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Says the guy who belongs to the party who insist black people just want free stuff and vote Dem because of that.

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Backwoods_Sleuth Oct 31, 2016 • 10:39:29am

Things we didn’t expect to be Tweeting in October — Donald Trump just now in Grand Rapids, Michigan: “Thank you, Anthony Weiner!”

— Chris Cassidy (@ChrisCassidy_BH) October 31, 2016

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Belafon Oct 31, 2016 • 10:39:32am

re: #387 The Vicious Babushka

Can this guy get any more stupid? There seems to be no bottom to TEH STUPIDS.

White man explaining what slavery is to blacks.

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wrenchwench Oct 31, 2016 • 10:39:38am

re: #42 A Mom Anon

Emerging from my crypt to say. ….

MOM! I hope your crypt is comfortable, and that soon you can spend more time out of it.

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Backwoods_Sleuth Oct 31, 2016 • 10:39:57am

re: #388 The Vicious Babushka

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Trump says “thank you Huma (pronounced it “Uma”)…thank you Anthony Weiner.”

— Ali Vitali (@alivitali) October 31, 2016

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Franklin Oct 31, 2016 • 10:40:12am

re: #387 The Vicious Babushka

Can this guy get any more stupid? There seems to be no bottom to TEH STUPIDS.

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Let me put on my tin foil hat, but perhaps Mr. Mitchell is aware of a Trump “N Word” tape?

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Joe Bacon Oct 31, 2016 • 10:41:10am

re: #363 Kilroy was here

Just like Ass is the new Hole….

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Backwoods_Sleuth Oct 31, 2016 • 10:41:13am

Trump reading from Doug Schoen un-endorsement at Grand Rapids rally.

— Evan McMurry (@evanmcmurry) October 31, 2016

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Backwoods_Sleuth Oct 31, 2016 • 10:42:03am

re: #396 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Trump touts Doug Schoen’s withdrawal of support for HRC. As Trump reads from his post, supporter yells, “Hang Her!”

— Candace Smith (@CandaceSmith_) October 31, 2016

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Backwoods_Sleuth Oct 31, 2016 • 10:42:18am

The FBI is reportedly still trying to see these new emails, but Trump concludes that they contain “absolutely devastating” information.

— Jenna Johnson (@wpjenna) October 31, 2016

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Tigger2 Oct 31, 2016 • 10:42:20am

re: #375 Backwoods_Sleuth

Still laughing over this hashtag that the trumpers started using:

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@JaredWyand @Vision2Purpose @P0TUSTrump You are a special kind of idiot, Deplorable number 1,204 blocked.

— jim (@jlcoffeecup) October 31, 2016

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Backwoods_Sleuth Oct 31, 2016 • 10:44:02am

This is a new argument: “Get out and vote by the millions and we wont have to worry about whats taking place behind the scenes.” -Trump

— Ali Vitali (@alivitali) October 31, 2016

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Now, he’s still talking rigged election, but yesterday he was warning about ballots in CO. Today it’s all win by mandate. https://t.co/NIyz9CIoKi

— Ali Vitali (@alivitali) October 31, 2016

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Nyet Oct 31, 2016 • 10:47:32am

READ>>Putin underwrites angry white populism w/ money & propaganda: Russia’s Campaign to Seduce, Subvert Democracy https://t.co/ycy9arfIAD pic.twitter.com/EW9xVK0HRP

— Paula Chertok (@PaulaChertok) October 31, 2016

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge Oct 31, 2016 • 10:47:58am

re: #385 Backwoods_Sleuth

They also do not know how to spell “prison” in that hashtag.

Well, misprision is bad, so “prision” must be good, like “couth” and “ept”.

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thedopefishlives Oct 31, 2016 • 10:48:40am

re: #402 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Well, misprision is bad, so “prision” must be good, like “couth” and “ept”.

Wasn’t misprision what they wanted to charge Obama with, back when they thought they could impeach him for presidenting while black?

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Eclectic Cyborg Oct 31, 2016 • 10:49:10am

I hope there is no Trump related violence/shenanigans tonight.

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Backwoods_Sleuth Oct 31, 2016 • 10:49:50am

Bobby Knight back on the stage, declares ” in a Donald Trump administration there will be no bullshit”

— Chris Snyder (@ChrisSnyderFox) October 31, 2016

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge Oct 31, 2016 • 10:50:16am

re: #403 thedopefishlives

Wasn’t misprision what they wanted to charge Obama with, back when they thought they could impeach him for presidenting while black?

Misprision of treason, in the words of Blackstone, “[consists] in the bare knowledge and concealment of treason, without any degree of assent thereto: for any assent makes the party a principal traitor”.

Probably.

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thedopefishlives Oct 31, 2016 • 10:51:28am

re: #405 Backwoods_Sleuth

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*snort* Considering the mountain of bullshit he’s already standing in, I think we can safely say that is a Grade A cow pie.

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Le Lapin Tueur Oct 31, 2016 • 10:51:41am

re: #369 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Sorry, but I cannot sympathize with anyone who enters into a business agreement with DT and expects any sort of timely payment…

Mrs. Rabbit and I have had this discussion many times after one of these stories comes out, but it goes more along the lines of:

Why would anyone enter a business agreement with him at all. This knowledge has been out there for quite a while. Hell, even his lawyers sue him.

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Dr. Matt Oct 31, 2016 • 10:51:57am

re: #396 Backwoods_Sleuth

Doug Schoen, Fox News contributor. Enough said.

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thedopefishlives Oct 31, 2016 • 10:54:48am

re: #408 Le Lapin Tueur

Mrs. Rabbit and I have had this discussion many times after one of these stories comes out, but it goes more along the lines of:

I had a friend of mine, an entertainer, who was called at the last minute by a Trump/Pence campaign staffer to provide entertainment for some venue or other. Because it was last minute, the rush fee turned out to be too much for the campaign to pay (which is awesomesauce in and of itself), but in the comments on the original post, it was clarified that the entertainer would not have accepted the job without payment at the time of service performed. Campaigns on both sides of the aisle are notorious for skimping on those sorts of invoices, but the commenters were especially wary of the Trump campaign.

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Timothy Watson Oct 31, 2016 • 10:56:43am

re: #410 thedopefishlives

I had a friend of mine, an entertainer, who was called at the last minute by a Trump/Pence campaign staffer to provide entertainment for some venue or other. Because it was last minute, the rush fee turned out to be too much for the campaign to pay (which is awesomesauce in and of itself), but in the comments on the original post, it was clarified that the entertainer would not have accepted the job without payment at the time of service performed. Campaigns on both sides of the aisle are notorious for skimping on those sorts of invoices, but the commenters were especially wary of the Trump campaign.

Yeah, I know it took Obama’s fundraising to pay off some of Clinton’s debts after 2008. And some of Newt Gingrich’s vendors are still waiting on money.

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Tigger2 Oct 31, 2016 • 10:56:45am

re: #405 Backwoods_Sleuth

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