Battle of the Conspiracy Theorists: Chuck C. Johnson vs. Roger Stone

Where might Chuck have gotten a “Clinton DNA sample?”
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The thing about white supremacist troll Chuck C. Johnson is that even other right wing loons can’t stand him, because he’s such — not to put too fine a point on it — a complete douchebag.

And now, the Daily Beast’s Olivia Nuzzi reports that the Rage Furby and Trump adviser Roger Stone (who’s no stranger to loony conspiracy theories himself) are fighting viciously with each other over a ridiculous years-old far right fantasy that Bill Clinton has an illegitimate black son named Danney Williams.

This silly theory was debunked long ago, but Chuck and Roger are both trying to push it now. Who knows why? They apparently think this would somehow hurt Hillary Clinton’s election chances, if they could prove it. So the Chuck-thing wants to get a DNA sample from Danney Williams to test against … something (more on this below). But the Roger-thing is thwarting Chuck’s plans and advising Williams not to cooperate with Chuck.

“I had a representative meet him in Little Rock and gave him a grand just for the meeting,” Johnson said, “We more or less begged him to give us his DNA for money and we offered a lot of money.”

That is where Stone came in.

“I hear from Danney that he doesn’t want to do the DNA testing despite me basically throwing money at him. I ask why, and then I find out it’s because of Roger.”

Johnson texted Stone to confront him, and provided screen shots of the exchange to The Daily Beast. Stone was aggravated Johnson had told Williams he couldn’t help him, and Johnson cautioned him that he was beginning to look like he was all talk. Stone told him to “watch and learn.”

As a result of Stone keeping Williams from him, Johnson is now intensely skeptical of his story. It would be, Johnson says, very easy to perform a DNA test.

“The fact that no one is willing to actually do that suggests to me that this is all a con.” Stone, he said, “goes right up to the line without actually demonstrating it’s true. He just wants it to be truthful enough, or truthy enough, which is what all conspiracy theorists do.”

How hysterically funny is it to see a conspiracy theorist and con man like Chuck C. Johnson ranting about conspiracy theorists and con men?

Almost as funny as Roger Stone’s comments about Chuck:

In an email, Stone called Johnson a “spastic loser,” a “talentless little asshole,” and “mentally ill.” He said Johnson being on the autism spectrum, which he has been open about, explains his problems.

“The issues with autism,” Stone said, “are essentially a person is highly intelligent on the one hand [like Dustin Hoffman’s Rain Man], but on the other hand their social skills are stuck at about the level of a 5 year old.”

Stone continued, “So he does ‘off the wall’ things that to the normal person is betrayal/jerk/asshole/crazy, but in his 5-year-old mind he is only able to consider the need for getting attention, nothing else. He was temporarily kicked off Twitter for giving out the home addresses of reporters, then get got reinstated and did it again! He got kicked off again temporarily, and did it again! Then he got permanently banned. So this how the autistic mind / 5-year-old child thinks, he does what brings him attention at the moment, and cannot take consequences into consideration.”

I love this. Does that make me a bad person?

I mentioned above that Chuck claims to have a sample of “the Clinton side of the DNA,” and he’s being cagey about where it came from, but I have a pretty good guess.

Back when Chuck was first banned from Twitter and kept re-registering accounts to try to sneak past the ban, he tweeted a cryptic comment with an image from his “freethechuck” account — then quickly deleted it. This was unusual for Chuck, since he rarely deleted anything he posted on Twitter no matter how ugly it was and no matter how dumb or hateful it made him look. So I strongly suspect he realized he was revealing something he shouldn’t have.

I of course saved a screenshot of that tweet, and here it is:

See that prescription bottle in that bag of trash? The name on it is “Webster Hubbell.” Someone apparently raided Hubbell’s garbage, and mailed it to Chuck; you can see the Priority Mail package it was mailed in underneath.

And this is what Chuck said in the Daily Beast article:

Johnson claims he already has “the Clinton side of the DNA,” but wouldn’t get into details, only divulging that he “sent private eyes to get it.” He added that he wouldn’t need Bill Clinton’s DNA specifically, just that of a relative.

The connection here is related to another old right wing conspiracy theory also pushed by Chuck, that Hubbell is Chelsea Clinton’s real father. So he may believe that something in that bag of trash has “the Clinton side of the DNA” on it. Maybe he thinks Chelsea Clinton left DNA on the soda cans from a visit with Hubbell? Of course, it doesn’t make much sense if he also believes Hubbell is Chelsea’s father, since she wouldn’t have any of Bill Clinton’s DNA in that case — but Chuck isn’t known for thinking clearly about things like this, and he may have abandoned his Webb Hubbell conspiracy theory for something juicier, in his alleged mind.

I’m speculating, of course; if he actually does have a DNA sample (and it’s always appropriate to be skeptical of everything Chuck says), it might have nothing to do with this bag of trash. But it’s a curious convergence.

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526 comments

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Nyet  Oct 31, 2016 • 3:59:34pm
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Decatur Deb  Oct 31, 2016 • 3:59:35pm

RWNJ deathmatches that do not involve broken beer bottles are somehow unsatisfying.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Oct 31, 2016 • 4:02:26pm

re: #1 Nyet

This might have been one of the 2 stories Rick Wilson was talking about, and it seems to be getting a little traction.

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freetoken  Oct 31, 2016 • 4:02:48pm

Yes, we fear:

Tech billionaire Thiel says Trump movement ‘not going away’

Billionaire technology investor Peter Thiel, a lightning rod for criticism in Silicon Valley for his support of Donald Trump, predicted on Monday that the movement the Republican presidential nominee has created would carry on even if he loses his bid for the White House on Nov. 8.

“No matter what happens in this election, what Trump represents isn’t crazy, and it’s not going away,” Thiel said in a speech to reporters at the National Press Club in Washington.

Thiel, who announced earlier this month he was donating $1.25 million to help Trump get elected, said the New York businessman was laying the groundwork for “a new Republican Party” that will go “beyond the dogmas of Reaganism.”

[…]

“The truth is, no matter how crazy this election seems, it is less crazy than the condition of our country,” said Thiel.

[…]

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Skip Intro  Oct 31, 2016 • 4:03:12pm

If only CNN or MSNBC was looking for new material. I guess emails and BENGHAZI still have a lot of life in them.

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Charles Johnson  Oct 31, 2016 • 4:04:56pm
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KGxvi  Oct 31, 2016 • 4:05:27pm

So, I’ve been listening a bit to the Keepin’ It 1600 podcast lately, one of the things that they mentioned in passing is that the public polls aren’t as good as the internal polls that the campaigns have. The theory is mostly based on the idea that new agencies don’t have the funds to run polls like they did in the old days, and that many of the pollsters that have popped up recently have less than ideal methodology. This got me thinking that a better way of determining the state of the race, especially this late, is how the campaigns are allocating resources. So, where are Clinton and Trump campaigns spending money on GOTV efforts? (My guess is that Trump hasn’t quite figured that out)

Also, not entirely unrelated, I actually saw a TV ad this weekend for Trump, in Los Angeles, during a football game. That seems like a complete waste of money, no?

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Shiplord Kirel  Oct 31, 2016 • 4:06:22pm

So, Chuck wants to prove that Webb Hubbell is this Danney chap’s father?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 31, 2016 • 4:06:29pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 31, 2016 • 4:07:34pm

re: #7 KGxvi

So, I’ve been listening a bit to the Keepin’ It 1600 podcast lately, one of the things that they mentioned in passing is that the public polls aren’t as good as the internal polls that the campaigns have. The theory is mostly based on the idea that new agencies don’t have the funds to run polls like they did in the old days, and that many of the pollsters that have popped up recently have less than ideal methodology. This got me thinking that a better way of determining the state of the race, especially this late, is how the campaigns are allocating resources. So, where are Clinton and Trump campaigns spending money on GOTV efforts? (My guess is that Trump hasn’t quite figured that out)

Also, not entirely unrelated, I actually saw a TV ad this weekend for Trump, in Los Angeles, during a football game. That seems like a complete waste of money, no?

Trumps Razor is your friend here. Unless the commercial was national, or that station also reaches NV or AZ. But California?

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retired cynic  Oct 31, 2016 • 4:07:49pm

OMG, I couldn’t get away from those two faces fast enough!!!!

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Nyet  Oct 31, 2016 • 4:08:07pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 31, 2016 • 4:08:10pm

re: #9 Backwoods_Sleuth

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I believe the cat on the left wants to watch the world burn.

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austin_blue  Oct 31, 2016 • 4:08:25pm

re: #9 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Those don’t look like happy kittahs.

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Dr. Matt  Oct 31, 2016 • 4:09:37pm

I just early voted for HRC and a straight Dem ticket. Quite a satisfying cast ballot.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 31, 2016 • 4:09:59pm

re: #15 Dr. Matt

I just early voted for HRC and a straight Dem ticket. Quite a satisfying cast ballot.

Awesome.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 31, 2016 • 4:10:04pm
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Ziggy_TARDIS  Oct 31, 2016 • 4:10:54pm

re: #17 Backwoods_Sleuth

Politico might be picking this up.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 31, 2016 • 4:11:46pm

Man a lot can happen during dinner. So this could be the thing that Wilson may have been talking about.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Oct 31, 2016 • 4:13:00pm

re: #19 HappyWarrior

This SHOULD be big.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 31, 2016 • 4:14:22pm

re: #20 Ziggy_TARDIS

This SHOULD be big.

Appears to be.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Oct 31, 2016 • 4:15:26pm

re: #21 HappyWarrior

Now, will the media cover it?

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jaunte  Oct 31, 2016 • 4:15:26pm
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HappyWarrior  Oct 31, 2016 • 4:16:13pm

re: #22 Ziggy_TARDIS

Now, will the media cover it?

I think they will.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 31, 2016 • 4:17:00pm

re: #23 jaunte

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I see what Rick Wilson meant about this being bigger than the tapes.

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stpaulbear  Oct 31, 2016 • 4:18:29pm

re: #15 Dr. Matt

I just early voted for HRC and a straight Dem ticket. Quite a satisfying cast ballot.

I did the same after work today. The county office had three clerks processing the early voting paperwork and handing out ballots. The instructions were fairly complicated. Vote, put the vote in an envelope and seal it, put that envelope in another envelope, seal it, and drop it in a secure box.

There was only one person in line in front of me. While I was voting a lot of people came in. There were about a dozen people voting at about 25 voting booths when I finished.

It took a long time to vote because there were 21 incumbent judges up for re-election, only one of which had a challenger. I always fill in the boxes for the incumbents because I don’t want to see a small number of people get a whacko judge elected.

I was kind of bummed out that no one was passing out ‘I voted’ stickers as we were leaving. It didn’t have the same feel as voting on election day, but I’m so glad to be done with it. :)

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HappyWarrior  Oct 31, 2016 • 4:18:45pm

Now you know why a lot of the GOP national security establishment wanted nothing to do with Trump. I disagree with their views on national security but they’re definitely people who have our nation’s interest. That definitely has not appeared to been the case with Trump.

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stpaulbear  Oct 31, 2016 • 4:19:08pm

PS: I voted for Hillary.

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wrenchwench  Oct 31, 2016 • 4:19:54pm

re: #28 stpaulbear

PS: I voted for Hillary.

THERE’S your upding!

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Dr. Matt  Oct 31, 2016 • 4:20:22pm

Dinner time!

Instagram

@issac_eatsalot The best topping on a burger: pulled pork #feedyoursoull

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A Cranky One  Oct 31, 2016 • 4:21:49pm

Halloween. Walk in the door tired, greeted by the dog pack. It took a second, but ended up with a good scare. Mrs Cranky has an evil side.

Havoc as Trump. How appropriate!
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Eventual Carrion  Oct 31, 2016 • 4:22:26pm
Stone called Johnson a “spastic loser,” a “talentless little asshole,” and “mentally ill.”

Now in Chuckies defense. I have seen a couple of his lame videos, but his movements weren’t twitchy or anything that I remember. So calling him spastic is unfair. The rest of the sentiment is spot on.

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Archangelus  Oct 31, 2016 • 4:22:54pm

NBC News: FBI Investigating Ex-Trump Campaign Manager Manafort’s Foreign Ties

The FBI has been conducting a preliminary inquiry into Donald Trump’s former campaign manager Paul Manafort’s foreign business connections, law enforcement and intelligence sources told NBC News Monday.

Word of the inquiry, which has not blossomed into a full-blown criminal investigation, comes just days after FBI Director James Comey’s disclosure that his agency is examining a new batch of emails connected to an aide to Hillary Clinton.

And it comes a day after Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid criticized Comey’s revelation and asserted that Comey possesses “explosive information about close ties and coordination between Donald Trump, his top advisors, and the Russian government.”

What was that? Something about emails? /

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Reality Based Steve  Oct 31, 2016 • 4:22:55pm

One (among almost too many to list) concerns I have about Trump being elected is the whole “Conflict of Interest” issue. You simply can not put his assets into a blind trust like you can with stocks and other investments. He knows where he has properties, knows what he owns and it’s not going to change in any meaningful way if he is elected.

How could this NOT affect his thinking on policy? (again, to the extend that he thinks). Or is it a case of “What’s good for Donald J. Trump is good for America”?

RBS

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wrenchwench  Oct 31, 2016 • 4:23:08pm

Gus saved a kitty.

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Dr. Matt  Oct 31, 2016 • 4:24:20pm

Retweet this over and over and over….

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Reality Based Steve  Oct 31, 2016 • 4:24:44pm

re: #35 wrenchwench

Gus saved a kitty.

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And thanks for reminding me that I need to pick up Kitty Kibbles before I go home. (been sitting in Starbucks the entire day)

RBS

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Nyet  Oct 31, 2016 • 4:27:10pm
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Reality Based Steve  Oct 31, 2016 • 4:27:38pm

One of our divers posted this before they went out…

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wrenchwench  Oct 31, 2016 • 4:27:50pm

re: #37 Reality Based Steve

And thanks for reminding me that I need to pick up Kitty Kibbles before I go home. (been sitting in Starbucks the entire day)

RBS

Coffee is important. Unless you’re a cat.

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Dr. Matt  Oct 31, 2016 • 4:28:09pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 31, 2016 • 4:28:13pm
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Charles Johnson  Oct 31, 2016 • 4:28:33pm
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stpaulbear  Oct 31, 2016 • 4:28:50pm

re: #29 wrenchwench

THERE’S your upding!

I actually went straight ticket too. It’s been so long since I’ve voted for a republican (Arne Carlson for gov), that it’s just the normal thing to do.

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Nyet  Oct 31, 2016 • 4:29:24pm

re: #41 Dr. Matt

When Batshit Sandwich looks sane compared to Trump…

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wrenchwench  Oct 31, 2016 • 4:30:08pm

re: #44 stpaulbear

I actually went straight ticket too. It’s been so long since I’ve voted for a republican (Arne Carlson for gov), that it’s just the normal thing to do.

OK, here’s another one.

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Stanley Sea  Oct 31, 2016 • 4:30:52pm

re: #15 Dr. Matt

I just early voted for HRC and a straight Dem ticket. Quite a satisfying cast ballot.

Just checked to see if my mail in ballot made it:

You have 1 Ballot Issued.
————————————————————————-
Ballot 1

Ballot Return Date: 10/28/2016
Ballot Return Status: The returned ballot is good.
————————————————————————-
Thank You.

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stpaulbear  Oct 31, 2016 • 4:31:00pm

re: #30 Dr. Matt

Dinner time!

CHICAGO—Though once defined as just a stand-alone meal, meat has risen quickly up the ranks to become the nation’s second most popular condiment, according to a study released by the U.S. Department of Agriculture.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 31, 2016 • 4:31:03pm
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Ziggy_TARDIS  Oct 31, 2016 • 4:31:43pm
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MsJ  Oct 31, 2016 • 4:32:08pm

re: #33 Archangelus

NBC News: FBI Investigating Ex-Trump Campaign Manager Manafort’s Foreign Ties

What was that? Something about emails? /

They were still talking about emails.

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Dr. Matt  Oct 31, 2016 • 4:32:10pm

re: #45 Nyet

When Batshit Sandwich looks sane compared to Trump…

You mean ‘Raving Freakazoid Nut Sandwich’

Youtube Video

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Nyet  Oct 31, 2016 • 4:33:46pm

re: #50 Ziggy_TARDIS

OK, he’s a Republican and cannot be trusted, but I’ll give him an “Atta boy” on this one.

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Eventual Carrion  Oct 31, 2016 • 4:34:10pm

re: #8 Shiplord Kirel

So, Chuck wants to prove that Webb Hubbell is this Danney chap’s father?

Chuck has yet to prove he can wipe his ass properly.

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Nyet  Oct 31, 2016 • 4:34:28pm

re: #52 Dr. Matt

Yes, but my version is both easier to remember and can be abbreviated to BS ;)

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 31, 2016 • 4:34:58pm
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Frankie Five Angels  Oct 31, 2016 • 4:35:04pm
I love this. Does that make me a bad person?

No.

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Nyet  Oct 31, 2016 • 4:36:48pm

re: #56 Backwoods_Sleuth

And now it’s officially big.

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scottslemmons  Oct 31, 2016 • 4:37:15pm

re: #56 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Remember when the Republicans hated the Russians and loved family values? Now they’re all rabid for a non-religious wife-swapping child rapist who fantasizes about having sex with his own daughter and takes his marching orders from the Kremlin.

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stpaulbear  Oct 31, 2016 • 4:37:26pm

re: #37 Reality Based Steve

And thanks for reminding me that I need to pick up Kitty Kibbles before I go home. (been sitting in Starbucks the entire day)

RBS

My cat Halley had a halloween haul on the front porch when I got home from work - four cases of canned food from Petco.

Halley has a built-in Trump wig but it’s combed back instead of forward.

brave miss Halley
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Archangelus  Oct 31, 2016 • 4:37:26pm

re: #15 Dr. Matt

I just early voted for HRC and a straight Dem ticket. Quite a satisfying cast ballot.

Same here - was satisfying to vote Hillary/Kaine for president/VP as well as to vote again for Chris Van Hollen, my district’s former House representative, this time for the Senate.
Can’t say that I really know much about his replacement in the house, but hey, no way in hell was I going to vote for the GOP or Libertarian candidate…

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HappyWarrior  Oct 31, 2016 • 4:37:47pm

re: #58 Nyet

And now it’s officially big.

Happy Halloween, Donald!

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ObserverArt  Oct 31, 2016 • 4:37:49pm

re: #9 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Cats do not look happy. Halloween costumes are supposed to be fun. Cats not having fun. Cats look like they take it out on the offending human as soon as lights are out tonight!

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Nyet  Oct 31, 2016 • 4:38:04pm

re: #62 HappyWarrior

Happy Halloween, Donald!

BOO!

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Nyet  Oct 31, 2016 • 4:38:55pm

re: #12 Nyet

This tweet has taken off (by my standards, which are small-scale :).

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Joe Bacon  Oct 31, 2016 • 4:39:23pm

re: #30 Dr. Matt

Dinner time!

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Just looking at that raises my blood sugar by 25 points!

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Archangelus  Oct 31, 2016 • 4:39:30pm

re: #41 Dr. Matt

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Me agreeing with GLENN BECK?!

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HappyWarrior  Oct 31, 2016 • 4:40:37pm

re: #61 Archangelus

Same here earlier - was satisfying to vote Hillary/Kaine for president/VP as well as to vote again for Chris Van Hollen, my district’s former House representative, this time for the Senate.
Can’t say that I really know much about Van Hollen’s replacement, but hey, no way I was going to vote for the GOP or Libertarian candidates…

That was a pretty competitive primary for Van Hollen’s replacement I believe. I got a lot of the ads since your district is across the river from us in VA-10. Van Hollen’s going to make a good senator. Had I lived in Maryland, I would have voted for him in the primary over Donna Edwards. They both have solid progressive records but Van Hollen gets more stuff done and I have heard some unsettling stuff about how Edwards handles constituent problems. Not big enough problems for me to vote against her in a GE mind you but little things like that determine your primary vote. Crazy to think Chris is going to be the next Senator from MD. I remember him beating Connie Morrella to get into Congress. I’m sure she’s now supporting him for the job since she’s supporting HRC for President.

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Dr. Matt  Oct 31, 2016 • 4:40:55pm

Instagram

Sums it up.
@9gagmobile
#9gag #dailystruggles

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HappyWarrior  Oct 31, 2016 • 4:40:56pm

re: #64 Nyet

BOO!

They’re not saying boo, they’re saying Boo-ump, boo-ump.

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Nyet  Oct 31, 2016 • 4:41:24pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 31, 2016 • 4:41:26pm

John Kasich follows through on vow not to vote for Donald Trump, writes in John McCain instead

Gov. John Kasich, who had vowed not to vote for Republican presidential nominee Donald Trump, voted Monday by absentee ballot.

His choice? Sen. John McCain of Arizona.

Chris Schrimpf, the governor’s political spokesman, confirmed the write-in vote to cleveland.com and said Kasich voted straight-ticket Republican on the rest of his ballot. Schrimpf added that Kasich was comfortable picking McCain, the 2008 GOP nominee for president, over Trump, Democrat Hillary Clinton and Libertarian Gary Johnson, a former Republican on the ballot as a nonpartisan candidate.

The vote essentially is a symbolic gesture. Because McCain is not among the 18 certified write-in candidates in Ohio, Kasich’s vote for president will not count.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 31, 2016 • 4:42:34pm

re: #71 Nyet

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I have to hand it to investigative journalists like him and Kurt from Newsweek. There’s been some good work this cycle.

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Dr. Matt  Oct 31, 2016 • 4:42:35pm

re: #67 Archangelus

Me agreeing with GLENN BECK?!

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If Glenn Beck turns into a progressive, I’m going off the grid and moving to a deserted island

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HappyWarrior  Oct 31, 2016 • 4:43:20pm

re: #72 Backwoods_Sleuth

John Kasich follows through on vow not to vote for Donald Trump, writes in John McCain instead

I don’t like Kasich but I’ll give him credit for not totally weaseling and vowing to write in Trump’s running mate/enabler Pence.

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Nyet  Oct 31, 2016 • 4:43:43pm

re: #73 HappyWarrior

That’s why I can’t stand wholesale dismissals of “the media”.

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FormerDirtDart  Oct 31, 2016 • 4:44:00pm

re: #51 MsJ

They were still talking about emails.

From downstairs:

A friend of a friend posted this on FB:

My last remarks on the subject. Not looking for a debate this time. Posting strictly for my own satisfaction:

Brent Bozo wrote:
Best read in year…Clinton emails. Trump admitting sexual assault. Clinton emails. Trump charity fraud. Clinton emails. Trump calls for nuclear proliferation. Clinton emails. Trump calls for national stop and frisk. Clinton emails. Trump violates trade embargo with Cuba. Clinton emails. Trump sued over Trump U fraud. Clinton emails. Trump bribes DA. Clinton emails. Trump doesnt pay taxes for 20 years. Clinton emails. Trump employs campaign manager involved in illegal corruption with Russia. Clinton emails. Trump calls for ban of an entire religion from entering US. Clinton emails. Trump lied about support for Iraq War over and over in debate. Clinton emails. Trump in court for rape of a minor. Clinton emails. Trump unaware of Russia’s Crimea occupation. Clinton emails. Trump unaware of situation in Syria. Clinton emails. Trump penalized for racist housing discrimination. Clinton emails. Trump files for bankrupcy 6 times. Clinton emails. Trump goes 0-3 in debates by showing scant knowledge of world politics. Clinton emails. Trump slams people for being POWs. Clinton emails. Trump calls mexicans rapists. Clinton emails. Trump questions judge’s integrity because of parent’s heritage. Clinton emails. Trump deletes emails involved in casino scandal. Clinton emails. Trump commits insurance fraud after florida hurricane. Clinton emails. Trump has dozens of assault victims and witnesses come forward with allegations of abuse. Clinton emails. Trump attacks former Ms America for being overweight. Clinton emails. Trump tweets about sex tapes at 3am. Clinton emails. Trump calls for US citizens to be sent to Gitmo. Clinton emails. Trump calls for more extreme forms of torture to be used. Clinton emails. Trump asks why cant we use our nukes if we have them. Clinton emails. Trump calls for offensive bombing attack on sovereign nations because someone gave the middle finger. Clinton emails. Trump calls to kill women and children of suspected terrorists. Clinton emails. Trump says women should be punished for having abortions. Clinton emails. Trump makes fun of disabled people. Clinton emails. Trump calls for end of freedom of the press. Clinton emails. Trump calls global warming a chinese hoax. Clinton emails. Trump praises Putin and Kim Jong Un’s strong leadership. Clinton emails. Trump openly admits to not paying his employees during debate. Clinton emails. Trump calls Obama an illegitimate noncitizen hundreds of times over 7 years. Clinton emails. Trump uses campaign donations to enrich his own businesses. Clinton emails. Trump says Ted Cruz involved in JFK assassination unironically citing National Enquirer. Clinton emails. Trump says laziness is an inherent trait in black people. Clinton emails.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 31, 2016 • 4:44:30pm

re: #76 Nyet

That’s why I can’t stand wholesale dismissals of “the media”.

Yeah I know what you mean. Also, I think the moderators did a pretty good job at the debates too.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 31, 2016 • 4:44:35pm

LOLOLOLOL!!!

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MsJ  Oct 31, 2016 • 4:45:44pm

re: #77 FormerDirtDart

Can I steal that and slap it up on Twitter?

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HappyWarrior  Oct 31, 2016 • 4:45:59pm

re: #79 Backwoods_Sleuth

LOLOLOLOL!!!

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His twitter feed is going to be fun to watch next Tuesday.

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Jenner7  Oct 31, 2016 • 4:46:21pm

Watching the news and they’re interviewing three miners in W. PA. Trump voters, because they think he’ll save their jobs. Hubby says, “That’s all they know.”

Sigh.

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Nyet  Oct 31, 2016 • 4:46:46pm
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Nyet  Oct 31, 2016 • 4:48:30pm
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HappyWarrior  Oct 31, 2016 • 4:48:48pm

re: #82 Jenner7

Watching the news and they’re interviewing three miners in W. PA. Trump voters, because they think he’ll save their jobs. Hubby says, “That’s all they know.”

Sigh.

What we gotta do is revitalize those communities. I’d love nothing more than to see my grandparents’ hometown of Johnstown boom again but the mines and steel mills are a thing of the past. Those guys are obviously hard workers. We can invest in green energy that not only will create jobs but also better lives for these guys. My mom’s grandfathers lived much shorter lives because of their jobs in the mines.

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Shiplord Kirel  Oct 31, 2016 • 4:50:51pm

Even before the rise of Trump, I suspected that a Russian connection would blow the Republicans out of the election this year. Putin’s surrogates have been working the teaparty/ conspiracy industry/ammosexual spectrum for several years now and they were bound to leave some spoor. The GOP establishment should have known that they weren’t the only ones who could exploit an ignorant, gullible, and morally bankrupt base.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 31, 2016 • 4:52:18pm
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ObserverArt  Oct 31, 2016 • 4:53:05pm

re: #72 Backwoods_Sleuth

John Kasich follows through on vow not to vote for Donald Trump, writes in John McCain instead

Ohio Johnny could have really shown he is a trusted, reasonable and cooperative Republican politician and shown he does really work with both sides of the political party system in this country by voting for Clinton.

Hahahahahahahahaa…yeah right.

It’s a wimp move. Show you have some damn balls Johnny, show you can really do the right thing for this country and how you can stand up to your party.

Your vote means nothing.

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The Vicious Babushka  Oct 31, 2016 • 4:54:31pm
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Nyet  Oct 31, 2016 • 4:55:09pm
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plansbandc  Oct 31, 2016 • 4:55:25pm

re: #59 scottslemmons

As long as he’s not a Dem, anything goes.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 31, 2016 • 4:55:41pm

re: #89 The Vicious Babushka

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This is like something out of a movie.

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The Vicious Babushka  Oct 31, 2016 • 4:57:39pm

re: #92 HappyWarrior

This is like something out of a movie.

I saw that movie.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 31, 2016 • 4:58:41pm

Just a reminder that this happened yesterday:
(wrong tweet, see a few posts below)

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HappyWarrior  Oct 31, 2016 • 4:58:53pm

re: #93 The Vicious Babushka

I saw that movie.

I liked the Russian mole character better portrayed by Angela Lansbury, she was more believable.

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worldknot  Oct 31, 2016 • 4:59:16pm

re: #89 The Vicious Babushka

I’m thinking Jason Chaffetz may have overplayed his hand.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 31, 2016 • 5:00:12pm

Debate about to start (it’s on CSPAN)

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Stanley Sea  Oct 31, 2016 • 5:00:38pm

re: #74 Dr. Matt

If Glenn Beck turns into a progressive, I’m going off the grid and moving to a deserted island

He never will because of religion.

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Barefoot Grin  Oct 31, 2016 • 5:00:39pm

Are we going to start loving Comey again for getting the new discovery out of the way before this broke?

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HappyWarrior  Oct 31, 2016 • 5:01:02pm

re: #97 Backwoods_Sleuth

Debate about to start (it’s on CSPAN)

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I know he’s a long shot but I’m really hoping Gray can at least make Rand sweat.

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FormerDirtDart  Oct 31, 2016 • 5:01:15pm

re: #80 MsJ

Can I steal that and slap it up on Twitter?

I don’t see why not

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 31, 2016 • 5:01:28pm

re: #94 Backwoods_Sleuth

Just a reminder that this happened yesterday:

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sorry wrong tweet, should have been this one:

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ObserverArt  Oct 31, 2016 • 5:02:01pm

re: #79 Backwoods_Sleuth

LOLOLOLOL!!!

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Then why is Obama going to be here in Columbus tomorrow about a mile and half from my house at Capital University campaigning for Hillary?

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Stanley Sea  Oct 31, 2016 • 5:02:10pm

re: #87 Backwoods_Sleuth

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PHOTOS needed

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HappyWarrior  Oct 31, 2016 • 5:02:15pm

re: #102 Backwoods_Sleuth

sorry wrong tweet, should have been this one:

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At least, Mrs. Iselin had the decency to act like she was Anti-Russia while actually being one of their moles. As I said, she was more believable.

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Nyet  Oct 31, 2016 • 5:02:17pm

re: #99 Barefoot Grin

Are we going to start loving Comey again for getting the new discovery out of the way before this broke?

No. ;)

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MsJ  Oct 31, 2016 • 5:02:17pm

re: #99 Barefoot Grin

Are we going to start loving Comey again for getting the new discovery out of the way before this broke?

I never loved Comey. He has been a weasel this entire time. Some politicians said nice things about him because it was prudent. The guy has never been even handed at all.

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Barefoot Grin  Oct 31, 2016 • 5:03:27pm

re: #107 MsJ

I never loved Comey. He has been a weasel this entire time. Some politicians said nice things about him because it was prudent. The guy has never been even handed at all.

I agree. I don’t get this “you libs loved him in July” business. He took extra pains to slam HRC then.

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MsJ  Oct 31, 2016 • 5:04:07pm

re: #101 FormerDirtDart

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Nyet  Oct 31, 2016 • 5:04:16pm
Aim, endorsed by PUTIN, has been to encourage splits and divisions in western alliance.” It maintained that Trump “and his inner circle have accepted a regular flow of intelligence from the Kremlin, including on his Democratic and other political rivals.” It claimed that Russian intelligence had “compromised” Trump during his visits to Moscow and could “blackmail him.” It also reported that Russian intelligence had compiled a dossier on Hillary Clinton based on “bugged conversations she had on various visits to Russia and intercepted phone calls.”

Wow.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 31, 2016 • 5:05:02pm

re: #108 Barefoot Grin

I agree. I don’t get this “you libs loved him in July” business. He took extra pains to slam HRC then.

And one’s opinion on someone can be subject to change based on their actions. I once had some respect for John McCain for example but I don’t anymore. If they want to play that game, they should talk to all the people in their party including their nominee who have praised Hillary before.

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Stanley Sea  Oct 31, 2016 • 5:05:40pm
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HappyWarrior  Oct 31, 2016 • 5:05:52pm

re: #110 Nyet

Wow.

This is pretty damn big.

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Nyet  Oct 31, 2016 • 5:06:21pm

re: #110 Nyet

And yes, not confirmed, just a memo, etc.
But interesting how none of us would be surprised if it were true.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 31, 2016 • 5:07:04pm

To be honest, I didn’t know much about Comey. I thought his tone when the FBI announced they weren’t charging her was a bit obnoxious but “loved him” Uh no.

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Interesting Times  Oct 31, 2016 • 5:08:54pm

re: #76 Nyet

That’s why I can’t stand wholesale dismissals of “the media”.

I suspect a lot of people use “the media” as a form of shorthand, when in reality they mean bloviating cable news pundits. In general, print media (Newsweek, WaPo, other pubs) have had far better investigative journalism this year than the networks (one reason the Access Hollywood tapes got so much play in comparison to more complex stories - the tapes were *perfect* for the superficial, shallow, 30-second-soundbite nature of TV news)

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 31, 2016 • 5:09:26pm

debate is off to a roaring start:

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Nyet  Oct 31, 2016 • 5:10:19pm

Here is one of the early Alfa stories, it’s been out there for some time:

gdd53.wordpress.com

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FormerDirtDart  Oct 31, 2016 • 5:12:16pm

Well, it’s eight o’clock at night on Halloween.
I have three pounds of candy.
And, not one knock at my door thus far.

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Reality Based Steve  Oct 31, 2016 • 5:14:22pm

re: #116 Interesting Times

I suspect a lot of people use “the media” as a form of shorthand, when in reality they mean bloviating cable news pundits. In general, print media (Newsweek, WaPo, other pubs) have had far better investigative journalism this year than the networks (one reason the Access Hollywood tapes got so much play in comparison to more complex stories - the tapes were *perfect* for the superficial, shallow, 30-second-soundbite nature of TV news)

Would that it were 30 second soundbites. The average now is about 9 seconds. Just found a really good article on that…

archive.boston.com

RBS

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Nyet  Oct 31, 2016 • 5:14:34pm
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HappyWarrior  Oct 31, 2016 • 5:15:11pm

re: #116 Interesting Times

I suspect a lot of people use “the media” as a form of shorthand, when in reality they mean bloviating cable news pundits. In general, print media (Newsweek, WaPo, other pubs) have had far better investigative journalism this year than the networks (one reason the Access Hollywood tapes got so much play in comparison to more complex stories - the tapes were *perfect* for the superficial, shallow, 30-second-soundbite nature of TV news)

Yes, I agree. Honestly the media’s a mixed bag. And while I do get frustrated with them at times, there’s a lot of good investigative journalists out there too and what Trump is doing to have his supporters see them as an alien entity that should be hated and fear disturbs me.

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jaunte  Oct 31, 2016 • 5:15:26pm
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HappyWarrior  Oct 31, 2016 • 5:15:34pm

re: #121 Nyet

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Man it got hot fast.

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Nyet  Oct 31, 2016 • 5:15:46pm

Bye bye, “emails”.

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Stanley Sea  Oct 31, 2016 • 5:15:54pm

re: #94 Backwoods_Sleuth

Just a reminder that this happened yesterday:

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The delay yesterday when he was asked to confirm.

heh

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stpaulbear  Oct 31, 2016 • 5:15:54pm

re: #119 FormerDirtDart

Well, it’s eight o’clock at night on Halloween.
I have three pounds of candy.
And, not one knock at my door thus far.

It’s cold and drizzly in the Twin Cities.
I didn’t buy any candy.
I’ve got all but one light turned off in the house.

If anyone shows up, the only thing I have to offer is a scoop of rocky road ice cream.

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Tigger2  Oct 31, 2016 • 5:15:56pm
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MsJ  Oct 31, 2016 • 5:16:14pm

re: #89 The Vicious Babushka

So let’s say all that is accurate (and given Mother Jones’ history, I’d bet it is). What’s Comey’s game? Get Trump elected so he can be immediately impeached so Pence becomes POTUS? WTF?

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HappyWarrior  Oct 31, 2016 • 5:16:58pm

re: #129 MsJ

So let’s say all that is accurate (and given Mother Jones’ history, I’d bet it is). What’s Comey’s game? Get Trump elected so he can be immediately impeached so Pence becomes POTUS? WTF?

I honestly have no idea. Either way, I hope HRC gets a chance to appoint someone else for the job.

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Interesting Times  Oct 31, 2016 • 5:17:53pm

re: #110 Nyet

From what you quoted:

It claimed that Russian intelligence had “compromised” Trump during his visits to Moscow and could “blackmail him.” It also reported that Russian intelligence had compiled a dossier on Hillary Clinton based on “bugged conversations she had on various visits to Russia and intercepted phone calls.”

Think about that.

Russian intelligence spied on both trump and HRC. Yet they only managed to compile blackmail material on one of them.

“Crooked” my ass - HRC is a fucking saint!

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Stanley Sea  Oct 31, 2016 • 5:17:55pm

re: #103 ObserverArt

The why is Obama going to be here in Columbus tomorrow about a mile and half from my house at Capital University campaigning for Hillary.

Can you go line up????????

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FormerDirtDart  Oct 31, 2016 • 5:18:09pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 31, 2016 • 5:18:56pm

and the hits keep coming:

A Mexican government official filed a federal criminal tax fraud complaint Friday against Donald Trump in Tijuana, Mexico, related to Trump Ocean Resort, a real estate project that folded in 2009.

Jaime Martínez Veloz, a former member of Mexico’s Congress who is now a mid-level official with the Mexican federal government, also sent a letter to the mayor of Tijuana, asking city hall to determine if any local regulations were violated by the failed development.

Martínez filed the criminal complaint as a private citizen. Under the Mexican legal system, private criminal complaints are filed directly to prosecutors, not to the police.

In the letter, Martínez said he’d filed a complaint seeking for federal charges against the GOP presidential nominee so that “once legal requirements demanded by national laws are gathered, the corresponding legal action can be executed,” reported La Jornada newspaper.

The complaint alleges that the development avoided paying taxes in Mexico on pre-development sales, which reportedly topped $32.5 million. Trump’s presidential campaign did not immediately respond to a request for comment.

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ObserverArt  Oct 31, 2016 • 5:19:24pm

re: #125 Nyet

Bye bye, “emails”.

Don’t be too sure too quick.

We still have to watch how our media is going to react to this! : )

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HappyWarrior  Oct 31, 2016 • 5:19:29pm

What’s kind of funny is my Dad was talking with one of his friends who’s a bit of a CT nut. Guy doesn’t like Hillary. Don’t know how he feels about Trump. He had a theory according to Dad that Trump owed the Russians a lot of money and wanted the secret service protection.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 31, 2016 • 5:19:51pm

re: #134 Backwoods_Sleuth

and the hits keep coming:

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And boom goes the dynamite.

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MsJ  Oct 31, 2016 • 5:20:02pm

re: #113 HappyWarrior

This is pretty damn big.

Except to people who support Trump. They would live their own Putin to kill all the libtards.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 31, 2016 • 5:20:03pm

re: #133 FormerDirtDart

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YOW!

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Oct 31, 2016 • 5:20:12pm

re: #135 ObserverArt

Yeah, color me skeptical on those assholes.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 31, 2016 • 5:20:18pm

re: #138 MsJ

Except to people who support Trump. They would live their own Putin to kill all the libtards.

Yeah I know.

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Nyet  Oct 31, 2016 • 5:20:27pm

re: #131 Interesting Times

(To be sure, I don’t yet accept this memo as an established fact, it should be checked and re-checked, but the Republicans have made their bed and should sleep in it: FBI should investigate this and inform the citizens about the investigation.)

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 31, 2016 • 5:22:06pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 31, 2016 • 5:23:35pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 31, 2016 • 5:25:16pm
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freetoken  Oct 31, 2016 • 5:25:16pm

re: #144 Backwoods_Sleuth

This never ending reveal of “October surprises” is coming a couple of weeks too late to really influence this election, unfortunately.

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Nyet  Oct 31, 2016 • 5:25:32pm

re: #135 ObserverArt

Don’t be too sure too quick.

We still have to watch how our media is going to react to this! : )

Don’t forget to thank the media for actually breaking these two stories ;)

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Decatur Deb  Oct 31, 2016 • 5:25:50pm

re: #119 FormerDirtDart

Well, it’s eight o’clock at night on Halloween.
I have three pounds of candy.
And, not one knock at my door thus far.

Bummer. Ours picked up, even though most houses on the street are dark.

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Stanley Sea  Oct 31, 2016 • 5:26:14pm

Not picked up by CNN yet.

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The Vicious Babushka  Oct 31, 2016 • 5:26:55pm
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Ziggy_TARDIS  Oct 31, 2016 • 5:27:12pm

re: #149 Stanley Sea

Who has picked it up?

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The Vicious Babushka  Oct 31, 2016 • 5:27:37pm

NY Times as usual, 6 hours behind.

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Stanley Sea  Oct 31, 2016 • 5:28:51pm

re: #120 Reality Based Steve

Would that it were 30 second soundbites. The average now is about 9 seconds. Just found a really good article on that…

archive.boston.com

RBS

tl;dr

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Decatur Deb  Oct 31, 2016 • 5:28:58pm

re: #127 stpaulbear

It’s cold and drizzly in the Twin Cities.
I didn’t buy any candy.
I’ve got all but one light turned off in the house.

If anyone shows up, the only thing I have to offer is a scoop of rocky road ice cream.

Got any beer? Son1 came home with a can one year.

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freetoken  Oct 31, 2016 • 5:29:07pm

re: #152 The Vicious Babushka

What’s the real story? I’ve not bothered to keep up with today’s news cycle.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 31, 2016 • 5:29:21pm
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MsJ  Oct 31, 2016 • 5:29:39pm

re: #152 The Vicious Babushka

NY Times as usual, 6 hours behind.

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Why would she do that? It was stupid and unnecessary. Dammitall.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 31, 2016 • 5:30:43pm

re: #157 MsJ

Why would she do that? It was stupid and unnecessary. Dammitall.

It was because of those very-suspect Wikileaks emails.

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The Vicious Babushka  Oct 31, 2016 • 5:30:43pm

THIS IS SCARY

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The Vicious Babushka  Oct 31, 2016 • 5:31:26pm

re: #155 freetoken

What’s the real story? I’ve not bothered to keep up with today’s news cycle.

The real story is Trump is a Russian operative. Nobody gives a shit about Donna Brazile and the debate.

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stpaulbear  Oct 31, 2016 • 5:31:53pm

re: #154 Decatur Deb

Got any beer? Son1 came home with a can one year.

Not since November of 1984.

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Decatur Deb  Oct 31, 2016 • 5:32:58pm

re: #159 The Vicious Babushka

THIS IS SCARY

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I’d load him up with the pretzels.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 31, 2016 • 5:33:08pm
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freetoken  Oct 31, 2016 • 5:33:09pm

re: #160 The Vicious Babushka

The real story is Trump is a Russian operative. Nobody gives a shit about Donna Brazile and the debate.

The Drumpfskindanhangers will only hear that indeed Drumpfskind was correct when he claimed that Hillary received questions ahead of time.

Drumpfskind will claim he’s been vindicated, and thus all those lies the media are telling about him, such as this Russia thing, ought to be dismissed.

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Nyet  Oct 31, 2016 • 5:34:36pm
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Ziggy_TARDIS  Oct 31, 2016 • 5:34:55pm
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Decatur Deb  Oct 31, 2016 • 5:35:43pm

re: #163 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Ft Knox, Ft. Campbell, Lexington BG Army Depot, L’ville Naval Refit, Jefferson PG.

(Some of which might have been BRAC’ed.)

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FormerDirtDart  Oct 31, 2016 • 5:36:11pm

re: #148 Decatur Deb

Bummer. Ours picked up, even though most houses on the street are dark.

It had been years since I had a single ‘trick-or-treater’, but, I moved in April, and there are literally hordes of kids in my present apartment complex. So, I was actually worried I wouldn’t have enough candy.

Now I have to figure out how to pace myself through three pounds of the stuff…

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HappyWarrior  Oct 31, 2016 • 5:36:31pm

re: #166 Nyet

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Not so fast Dr. Bigoted Piece of shit.

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Trumpkins, Vote Nov. 28th!!  Oct 31, 2016 • 5:36:42pm

re: #84 Nyet

Way better than a note from Epstein’s mother.

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Skip Intro  Oct 31, 2016 • 5:36:45pm

re: #160 The Vicious Babushka

The real story is Trump is a Russian operative. Nobody gives a shit about Donna Brazile and the debate.

Nobody except cable news.

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Unabogie  Oct 31, 2016 • 5:36:56pm

Racism is what drives the Republican party. As much “good Republicans” want to swear that their dear friends aren’t bigots, they really are. And the country as a whole seems to be in deep denial about it.

thisamericanlife.org

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Nyet  Oct 31, 2016 • 5:37:25pm
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Stanley Sea  Oct 31, 2016 • 5:37:42pm

Read this thread, I think.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 31, 2016 • 5:38:07pm
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Stanley Sea  Oct 31, 2016 • 5:38:31pm

Must repost from earlier.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 31, 2016 • 5:38:40pm

re: #176 Backwoods_Sleuth

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He wants to be his Daddy.

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ObserverArt  Oct 31, 2016 • 5:39:39pm

re: #132 Stanley Sea

Can you go line up????????

Too busy, which is a good thing for me.

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Interesting Times  Oct 31, 2016 • 5:40:09pm

re: #159 The Vicious Babushka

THIS IS SCARY

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Actually, the mask makes Ted Cruz look considerably less creepy.

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Tigger2  Oct 31, 2016 • 5:40:44pm

re: #152 The Vicious Babushka

NY Times as usual, 6 hours behind.

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Stanley Sea  Oct 31, 2016 • 5:41:25pm

re: #134 Backwoods_Sleuth

and the hits keep coming:

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I drove down to Baja when the TRUMP signs were there. He took a lot of people’s $$$ for a beautiful, never built place on the beach.

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Shiplord Kirel  Oct 31, 2016 • 5:42:43pm

re: #160 The Vicious Babushka

The real story is Trump is a Russian operative. Nobody gives a shit about Donna Brazile and the debate.

If this pans out it will be the biggest story since 9-11. It could unravel the whole Russian influence system in this country, and a big part of the far right propaganda machine with it.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 31, 2016 • 5:42:46pm

re: #165 Ziggy_TARDIS

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HappyWarrior  Oct 31, 2016 • 5:43:51pm

re: #184 Backwoods_Sleuth

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So sick of these dickheads.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 31, 2016 • 5:44:21pm

re: #183 Shiplord Kirel

If this pans out it will be the biggest story since 9-11. It could unravel the whole Russian influence system in this country, and a big part of the far right propaganda machine with it.

Yeah this could be big in many ways.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 31, 2016 • 5:45:09pm
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Nyet  Oct 31, 2016 • 5:45:37pm

No peep from mtracey on both stories yet.

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freetoken  Oct 31, 2016 • 5:45:39pm

Color me a cynic, but I’m going to do a 48 hour rule on this latest Russian thing.

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Decatur Deb  Oct 31, 2016 • 5:46:37pm

re: #189 freetoken

Color me a cynic, but I’m going to do a 48 hour rule on this latest Russian thing.

Should be in a Reese’s coma that long.

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Reality Based Steve  Oct 31, 2016 • 5:46:54pm

re: #174 Nyet

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My biggest concern with this story is that it depends on people understanding that when these experts are talking, they aren’t carrying a political agenda. My fear is that the GOP will be able to spin it as “it’s just their opinion, just like global warming”.

Hope that this gets some serious legs, but due to the technical nature of it, and the fact that I think a very large people won’t / can’t understand the underlying difference between this and Hillarys server I’m going to be cautious about seeing it take off.

This is one of those times that I really find that I’m hoping that I’m 100% wrong in my opinion.

RBS

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 31, 2016 • 5:46:55pm
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Stanley Sea  Oct 31, 2016 • 5:48:01pm

Happening so fast. Not sure if posted.
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Nyet  Oct 31, 2016 • 5:48:05pm

re: #189 freetoken

Color me a cynic, but I’m going to do a 48 hour rule on this latest Russian thing.

It’s not necessary to accept it as a revelation of the century to appreciate that this shifts the focus back on Trump.

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The Vicious Babushka  Oct 31, 2016 • 5:48:26pm

OH WAIT THEIR ARE MOAR TRUMP REVEALS

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Nyet  Oct 31, 2016 • 5:48:26pm

re: #191 Reality Based Steve

They’re Republican experts.

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b.d.  Oct 31, 2016 • 5:48:48pm

Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned

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freetoken  Oct 31, 2016 • 5:49:19pm

re: #194 Nyet

It’s not necessary to accept it as a revelation of the century to appreciate that this shifts the focus back on Trump.

Just like the latest tax evasion dump today by the NYT, it’s too late.

And all this stuff breaking on the same day will just reinforce the Drumpfskind believers that the media is out to get them and him.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 31, 2016 • 5:49:23pm

re: #194 Nyet

It’s not necessary to accept it as a revelation of the century to appreciate that this shifts the focus back on Trump.

That’s a good point as well.

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Nyet  Oct 31, 2016 • 5:49:46pm

It’s raining shoes. Hallelujah!

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Oct 31, 2016 • 5:49:57pm

re: #198 freetoken

We don’t care about the believers, we care about the wobblers.

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Nyet  Oct 31, 2016 • 5:50:17pm

re: #198 freetoken

Just like the latest tax evasion dump today by the NYT, it’s too late.

And all this stuff breaking on the same day will just reinforce the Drumpfskind believers that the media is out to get them and him.

Then the emails thing is also too late.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Oct 31, 2016 • 5:50:48pm

re: #181 Tigger2

Well, that explains why they didn’t take that story. They had their own.

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freetoken  Oct 31, 2016 • 5:51:02pm

re: #201 Ziggy_TARDIS

We don’t care about the believers, we care about the wobblers.

My point is there are not really enough wobblers left to care.

20 million votes have already been cast.

The remaining 80 million or so have already made up their minds.

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Barefoot Grin  Oct 31, 2016 • 5:51:09pm

re: #127 stpaulbear

It’s cold and drizzly in the Twin Cities.
I didn’t buy any candy.
I’ve got all but one light turned off in the house.

If anyone shows up, the only thing I have to offer is a scoop of rocky road ice cream.

“Open your bag, kid. Hey, you want some hot fudge and whip cream on that??

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b.d.  Oct 31, 2016 • 5:51:29pm

F*ck!

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Nyet  Oct 31, 2016 • 5:52:00pm

re: #204 freetoken

My point is there are not really enough wobblers left to care.

20 million votes have already been cast.

The remaining 80 million or so have already made up their minds.

Good, then you are not bothered by the latest brouhaha.
For those of us who were, a bit, this is welcome news.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Oct 31, 2016 • 5:52:24pm

re: #204 freetoken

I will be calling the local stations tomorrow about that voter intimidation thing in North Carolina, and finding out why they don’t think it is important.

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Charles Johnson  Oct 31, 2016 • 5:53:40pm
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b.d.  Oct 31, 2016 • 5:53:46pm

re: #206 b.d.

F*ck!

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Blackmail Trump by putting him in a compromising position in Russia (where his Ms. Universe was held)

I wonder what that could have been?

//

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Tigger2  Oct 31, 2016 • 5:53:49pm

Break time.

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Stanley Sea  Oct 31, 2016 • 5:54:14pm

re: #193 Stanley Sea

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Happening so fast. Not sure if posted.

My Sleuth.

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freetoken  Oct 31, 2016 • 5:54:20pm

re: #202 Nyet

Then the emails thing is also too late.

It almost was. As noted earlier today, Silver isn’t convinced any signal can be pulled out of the noise in regards to the FBI email thing affecting poll results.

However, the EMAIL! meme was already deeply planted in the psyche of Americans who pay attention to politics, so all one had to do is ring that bell to get the wingnuts to salivate.

The Drumpf==Russian tool idea is too orthogonal to the current American political dialogue. If it had started a year ago maybe it would have made a difference.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Oct 31, 2016 • 5:54:26pm

One of you, remind me tomorrow to chat to the news stations about it.

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Reality Based Steve  Oct 31, 2016 • 5:54:47pm

Possibly the greatest costume ever…. I want!!!

RBS

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Nyet  Oct 31, 2016 • 5:54:50pm

Suggestive.

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Stanley Sea  Oct 31, 2016 • 5:55:04pm

re: #198 freetoken

Just like the latest tax evasion dump today by the NYT, it’s too late.

And all this stuff breaking on the same day will just reinforce the Drumpfskind believers that the media is out to get them and him.

If there is something SEXy, that will win the day.

Ah America.

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MsJ  Oct 31, 2016 • 5:55:17pm

re: #158 Backwoods_Sleuth

It was because of those very-suspect Wikileaks emails.

So Brazille did it didn’t do it? Was it a Wikileaks lie? I’m confused.

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Nyet  Oct 31, 2016 • 5:55:54pm

re: #213 freetoken

Not convinced, sorry.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 31, 2016 • 5:56:21pm

re: #216 Nyet

Suggestive.

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Ooooh.

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freetoken  Oct 31, 2016 • 5:56:51pm

We here are news junkies. We check headlines/RSS streams/twitter every day.

But many people don’t.

This is why advertisers spend so much money to repeat slogans and labels and of course their brands, over and over and over.

It takes time for minds to change on a large scale.

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Stanley Sea  Oct 31, 2016 • 5:57:08pm

re: #214 Ziggy_TARDIS

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One of you, remind me tomorrow to chat to the news stations about it.

Put a reminder on your phone. Hell, do it now.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Oct 31, 2016 • 5:57:41pm

I think it is safe to say that Rick Wilson was behind at least one of these stories.

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goddamnedfrank  Oct 31, 2016 • 5:58:21pm

Charles, I think the photograph of Hubble’s trash goes to the kinds of methods Chuck thinks might be effective, rooting through people’s trash. I doubt he has Chelsea’s DNA because 1.) she’s an off and on again Secret Service protectee, and in 2016 DNA is viewed as a potential line of attack via bespoke viral vectors. They clean up after Obama wherever he visits to keep his DNA out of the hands of bad actors. 2.) Hubble isn’t her father, so she has no reason to visit him.

If I put myself in Chuck’s frame of mind (believe me it’s no fun) and wanted to pursue a relative of Bill Clinton for DNA I’d choose his maternal half-brother Roger, because the maternal line is impossible to get wrong. Roger and Bill absolutely will share roughly 25% on average including 100% of their mitochondrial DNA. However any way you slice it Chuck is skating on thin fucking ice.

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freetoken  Oct 31, 2016 • 5:58:24pm

re: #219 Nyet

Not convinced, sorry.

Of what?

I am convinced that today’s item on some sort of Russian bank computer connection will have negligible effect on people who are planning to vote for Drumpfksind.

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Nyet  Oct 31, 2016 • 5:59:03pm

re: #218 MsJ

Well, she’s out, so I think it’s safe to say something like that happened. But it’s such a minuscule thing it’s not worth breaking one’s head over.

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Interesting Times  Oct 31, 2016 • 5:59:23pm

re: #207 Nyet

Good, then you are not bothered by the latest brouhaha.
For those of us who were, a bit, this is welcome news.

I just want something to demoralize the nominal/reflexive “R” voters so they can’t be bothered to vote. The “Drumpskind”, as freetoken calls them, loves Putin so none of these revelations will matter to them.

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Stanley Sea  Oct 31, 2016 • 6:00:01pm

LOL

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Nyet  Oct 31, 2016 • 6:00:16pm

re: #225 freetoken

Of what?

That it’s too late and/or assuredly won’t have any effect.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Oct 31, 2016 • 6:00:20pm

re: #227 Interesting Times

Exactly what I was hoping for.

Also, Comey is up a creek.

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plansbandc  Oct 31, 2016 • 6:01:03pm

re: #210 b.d.

Video or pics of compromising position with a 13 year old girl. It would be irresponsible not to speculate.

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Barefoot Grin  Oct 31, 2016 • 6:01:33pm

re: #228 Stanley Sea

LOL

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You know you’re maybe spending too much time on granular news when you immediate get it and laugh heartily.

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FormerDirtDart  Oct 31, 2016 • 6:01:33pm
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Stanley Sea  Oct 31, 2016 • 6:01:50pm

I hear kids. They had better be heading to their parent’s cars to go to the “rich” neighborhoods.

DAMN. First year I didn’t buy candy because I don’t want to eat it. The paranoia is NOT WORTH IT.

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ObserverArt  Oct 31, 2016 • 6:02:00pm

re: #191 Reality Based Steve

My biggest concern with this story is that it depends on people understanding that when these experts are talking, they aren’t carrying a political agenda. My fear is that the GOP will be able to spin it as “it’s just their opinion, just like global warming”.

Hope that this gets some serious legs, but due to the technical nature of it, and the fact that I think a very large people won’t / can’t understand the underlying difference between this and Hillarys server I’m going to be cautious about seeing it take off.

This is one of those times that I really find that I’m hoping that I’m 100% wrong in my opinion.

RBS

This is where the media needs to do some educating. People with an understanding of the tech behind servers and such will understand. Ordinary Joe and Sue America might have no idea.

I guess the thing to watch is how much the big media (especially the TV cable news crowd and bigger newspapers…what’s left of them) wants to invest in the story and how they want to go to work explaining it to everyone.

We can also watch how different entities want to spin it…if it even needs spin or fact is enough.

Grab the popcorn.

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Nyet  Oct 31, 2016 • 6:03:01pm

re: #227 Interesting Times

It was never about the hardcore Trump supporters… It’s about the Ken-Bone like lead-chip-devourers AKA undecideds and fence-sitters. Who might have gone and voted for Hillary but could have been influenced by this latest nonsense and stayed home.
While Hillary wins without them, the downballot may suffer.

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Decatur Deb  Oct 31, 2016 • 6:04:10pm

re: #234 Stanley Sea

I hear kids. They had better be heading to their parent’s cars to go to the “rich” neighborhoods.

DAMN. First year I didn’t buy candy because I don’t want to eat it. The paranoia is NOT WORTH IT.

Customs vary, but it would be very unusual for a kid to come to a house here if it didn’t have decorations (or at least a burning porch light).

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freetoken  Oct 31, 2016 • 6:04:54pm

These sort of “breaking” stories won’t even make it onto the Facebook Trending until later this week. Most of the stuff I see pop up in that little box is already OBE by the time the Facebook algorithms latch onto them.

There will be between 100 and 120 million Americans voting in this election. Only a few million follow breaking news closely enough to know what is going on.

A slightly larger group watch cable news, but if one sums up all the Fox News + CNN + MSNBC viewers (meaning dedicate viewers, not just people who glance at a screen while walking through an airport) you’ll still get less than 10% of the electorate.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 31, 2016 • 6:05:18pm

re: #237 Decatur Deb

Customs vary, but it would be very unusual for a kid to come to a house here if it didn’t have decorations (or at least a burning porch light).

I remember going to any house I could.

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Stanley Sea  Oct 31, 2016 • 6:06:05pm

re: #237 Decatur Deb

Customs vary, but it would be very unusual for a kid to come to a house here if it didn’t have decorations (or at least a burning porch light).

Phew. I still hear them though.

Seriously, 6 years buying candy. No visitors. Finally put the foot/diet down & now am suffering more than the calorie damage.

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Decatur Deb  Oct 31, 2016 • 6:06:34pm

re: #239 HappyWarrior

I remember going to any house I could.

Same, but that was old Pittsburgh, and 24/7 media hadn’t turned us into a nation of sniveling cowards.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 31, 2016 • 6:06:38pm

tweeted about 3 years ago:

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Stanley Sea  Oct 31, 2016 • 6:07:00pm

Yeah, CNN is all in on the EMAILLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLS

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Charles Johnson  Oct 31, 2016 • 6:07:28pm

re: #224 goddamnedfrank

Charles, I think the photograph of Hubble’s trash goes to the kinds of methods Chuck thinks might be effective, rooting through people’s trash. I doubt he has Chelsea’s DNA because 1.) she’s an off and on again Secret Service protectee, and in 2016 DNA is viewed as a potential line of attack via bespoke viral vectors. They clean up after Obama wherever he visits to keep his DNA out of the hands of bad actors. 2.) Hubble isn’t her father, so she has no reason to visit him.

If I put myself in Chuck’s frame of mind (believe me it’s no fun) and wanted to pursue a relative of Bill Clinton for DNA I’d choose his maternal half-brother Roger, because the maternal line is impossible to get wrong. Roger and Bill absolutely will share roughly 25% on average including 100% of their mitochondrial DNA. However any way you slice it Chuck is skating on thin fucking ice.

Bottom line is that the whole conspiracy theory about Danney Williams is whacked, so I don’t expect any of it to make sense in a real way. I was just struck by his comments that he sent “private eyes to get it” and it wasn’t actually Bill’s DNA, and remembered this interesting tweet with Webb Hubbell’s trash that seemed to fit this description.

Not to mention that with a week to go until the election, there’s no way Chuck can get any DNA results back in time to make a difference anyway, even if it would.

This is basically two right wing nitwits fighting about something that doesn’t matter, and I’m always in favor of that.

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The Ghost of a Flea  Oct 31, 2016 • 6:07:57pm

See, I have the Halloween advantage of living in a house that people actually think is haunted, so fucking nobody turns up for candy.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 31, 2016 • 6:08:27pm

re: #245 The Ghost of a Flea

See, I have the Halloween advantage of living in a house that people actually think is haunted, so fucking nobody turns up for candy.

See, that would make me more interested in checking out your place if I were a kid. I love a good ghost story.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Oct 31, 2016 • 6:08:27pm

re: #243 Stanley Sea

Damn it!

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Barefoot Grin  Oct 31, 2016 • 6:08:54pm

Now maybe if the Trump server had been located in Kylie Jenner’s ass….

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Decatur Deb  Oct 31, 2016 • 6:09:03pm

re: #245 The Ghost of a Flea

See, I have the Halloween advantage of living in a house that people actually think is haunted, so fucking nobody turns up for candy.

That’s the upside. Burning you out and sprinkling the ashes with holy water is the downside.

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The Ghost of a Flea  Oct 31, 2016 • 6:09:04pm

re: #224 goddamnedfrank

You’re being too generous in your anticipation of his thought process.

He’s probably at a P-Funk concert trying to get backstage and root through the garbage.

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Stanley Sea  Oct 31, 2016 • 6:09:24pm

re: #247 Ziggy_TARDIS

Damn it!

call those stations now.

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FormerDirtDart  Oct 31, 2016 • 6:09:38pm
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HappyWarrior  Oct 31, 2016 • 6:09:58pm

re: #241 Decatur Deb

Same, but that was old Pittsburgh, and 24/7 media hadn’t turned us into a nation of sniveling cowards.

I dunno. We had the scares about strangers by the 90’s. Big neighborhood though we never really worried I guess.

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The Ghost of a Flea  Oct 31, 2016 • 6:10:00pm

re: #249 Decatur Deb

That’s the upside. Burning you out and sprinkling the ashes with holy water is the downside.

On top of a hill, so I have excellent lines of sight on anybody approaching with torches.

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Stanley Sea  Oct 31, 2016 • 6:11:04pm

Now I want Reese’s.

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The Ghost of a Flea  Oct 31, 2016 • 6:11:28pm

re: #250 The Ghost of a Flea

You’re being too generous in your anticipation of his thought process.

He’s probably at a P-Funk concert trying to get backstage and root through the garbage.

The only logical conclusion: Bootsy Collins is everybody’s Daddy.

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Decatur Deb  Oct 31, 2016 • 6:11:30pm

re: #253 HappyWarrior

I dunno. We had the scares about strangers by the 90’s. Big neighborhood though we never really worried I guess.

I’m talking 40s-50s. The only time we were overseen was during the twice-yearly Gypsy encampments. No shit.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 31, 2016 • 6:11:41pm

There was a good show on the history channel back in the day called haunted history. My one brother and I really enjoyed watching it. Not just for the ghost stories which were cool but they also gave you some historical background of some cities which was pretty neat too.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 31, 2016 • 6:12:03pm

re: #255 Stanley Sea

Now I want Reese’s.

I gots a whole bag I’m ready to rip open.
Come on over.

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Barefoot Grin  Oct 31, 2016 • 6:12:15pm

Some of our candy was actually Christmas candy. Apparently Oct. 30 is too late to get all the supplies you need.

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goddamnedfrank  Oct 31, 2016 • 6:12:32pm
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Decatur Deb  Oct 31, 2016 • 6:12:33pm

re: #254 The Ghost of a Flea

On top of a hill, so I have excellent lines of sight on anybody approaching with torches.

You can usually scare them off by firing up the ol’ Jacob’s Ladders.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 31, 2016 • 6:12:35pm

re: #257 Decatur Deb

I’m talking 40s-50s. The only time we were overseen was during the twice-yearly Gypsy encampments. No shit.

Yeah I know. Speaking of PGH, really want to make it up there some time in the spring. and see another Pirates game.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Oct 31, 2016 • 6:13:19pm

re: #251 Stanley Sea

Can’t find a number for CNN.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 31, 2016 • 6:13:25pm

re: #254 The Ghost of a Flea

On top of a hill, so I have excellent lines of sight on anybody approaching with torches.

The name is Fronkensteen!

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HappyWarrior  Oct 31, 2016 • 6:13:48pm

re: #264 Ziggy_TARDIS

Can’t find a number for CNN.

Call locally.

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Stanley Sea  Oct 31, 2016 • 6:13:54pm

re: #259 Backwoods_Sleuth

I gots a whole bag I’m ready to rip open.
Come on over.

wish.

I’ll settle for my crack: roasted Brussles sprouts.

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Reality Based Steve  Oct 31, 2016 • 6:14:08pm

And simply because this thread needs a “whiskey, cigarette and gravel” video…

This place is empty - Rolling Stones in Rio de Janeiro 2006

RBS

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HappyWarrior  Oct 31, 2016 • 6:14:41pm

re: #267 Stanley Sea

wish.

I’ll settle for my crack: roasted Brussles sprouts.

You know, I’ve come to like sprouts. Now, Lima Beans, those can rot in hell.

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Stanley Sea  Oct 31, 2016 • 6:15:13pm

re: #264 Ziggy_TARDIS

Can’t find a number for CNN.

I thought you were talking about the local stations with the Negan guy intimidating voters???? Fuck CNN

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 31, 2016 • 6:15:42pm
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HappyWarrior  Oct 31, 2016 • 6:16:40pm

re: #270 Stanley Sea

I thought you were talking about the local stations with the Negan guy intimidating voters???? Fuck CNN

More likely to get someone too if it’s a local station.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Oct 31, 2016 • 6:16:40pm

re: #270 Stanley Sea

Someone upthread said call the stations in response to CNN.

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Stanley Sea  Oct 31, 2016 • 6:16:56pm

re: #269 HappyWarrior

You know, I’ve come to like sprouts. Now, Lima Beans, those can rot in hell.

I love fresh lima’s. Hard to find. Canned meh, frozen meh. As a kid I sat in my G-Ma’s basement shelling butter beans (close enough) while watching soap operas with her.

Good memories.

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Decatur Deb  Oct 31, 2016 • 6:17:02pm

re: #267 Stanley Sea

wish.

I’ll settle for my crack: roasted Brussles sprouts.

Couple days ago someone posted a photo of chocolate-dipped Brussles sprouts.

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Charles Johnson  Oct 31, 2016 • 6:17:22pm

re: #256 The Ghost of a Flea

The only logical conclusion: Bootsy Collins is everybody’s Daddy.

If you fake the funk, your nose will grow.

So just don’t.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 31, 2016 • 6:18:08pm

re: #274 Stanley Sea

I love fresh lima’s. Hard to find. Canned meh, frozen meh. As a kid I sat in my G-Ma’s basement shelling butter beans (close enough) while watching soap operas with her.

Good memories.

I just don’t like their taste. You know what I do love though? Sugar snap. I also like spinach especially the spiced version they have at Indian and South Asian restaurants.

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Stanley Sea  Oct 31, 2016 • 6:18:10pm

re: #275 Decatur Deb

Couple days ago someone posted a photo of chocolate-dipped Brussles sprouts.

Hmmmmmmm.

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Eventual Carrion  Oct 31, 2016 • 6:19:37pm

re: #210 b.d.

Blackmail Trump by putting him in a compromising position in Russia (where his Ms. Universe was held)

I wonder what that could have been?

//

Probably 12 or 13 years old.

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Pawn of the Oppressor  Oct 31, 2016 • 6:19:47pm

Weesearcher should take bids on a cage-fight to the death between Chucksie and Roger. I bet THAT would raise some real cash. Where do I contribute?

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retired cynic  Oct 31, 2016 • 6:20:03pm

re: #224 goddamnedfrank

Charles, I think the photograph of Hubble’s trash goes to the kinds of methods Chuck thinks might be effective, rooting through people’s trash. I doubt he has Chelsea’s DNA because 1.) she’s an off and on again Secret Service protectee, and in 2016 DNA is viewed as a potential line of attack via bespoke viral vectors. They clean up after Obama wherever he visits to keep his DNA out of the hands of bad actors. 2.) Hubble isn’t her father, so she has no reason to visit him.

If I put myself in Chuck’s frame of mind (believe me it’s no fun) and wanted to pursue a relative of Bill Clinton for DNA I’d choose his maternal half-brother Roger, because the maternal line is impossible to get wrong. Roger and Bill absolutely will share roughly 25% on average including 100% of their mitochondrial DNA. However any way you slice it Chuck is skating on thin fucking ice.

Agree with all, but Bill and Roger can’t pass on their mDNA. ‘It ends there, boys!’

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Decatur Deb  Oct 31, 2016 • 6:20:10pm

Going to be funny as shit if Snowden gets back from Russia before Trump.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Oct 31, 2016 • 6:20:25pm

Fuck Cillizza.

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Frankie Five Angels  Oct 31, 2016 • 6:20:33pm

I’d like to thank the media for getting to the bottom of Trump’s tax issues and possible Russian blackmail one week before the election. Handclap, guys. Seriously, take a bow.
//

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Stanley Sea  Oct 31, 2016 • 6:21:10pm

Seriously, I repeat.

The only Oct surprise that will affect any Trump vote is a disgusting sex thing.

His peeps DGAF about business improprieties or Russian connections. They are too far gone.

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Nyet  Oct 31, 2016 • 6:21:22pm

re: #283 Ziggy_TARDIS

He’s playing an above-it-all cynic.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Oct 31, 2016 • 6:21:49pm

re: #286 Nyet

He’s got a very punchable face too.

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Nyet  Oct 31, 2016 • 6:22:02pm

re: #285 Stanley Sea

Seriously, I repeat.

The only Oct surprise that will affect any Trump vote is a disgusting sex thing.

His peeps DGAF about business improprieties or Russian connections. They are too far gone.

True of course. They don’t care or they even welcome it.

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jaunte  Oct 31, 2016 • 6:22:38pm

re: #283 Ziggy_TARDIS

Cillizza obviously hasn’t heard about the badgers in a suit yet.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 31, 2016 • 6:22:53pm

re: #285 Stanley Sea

Seriously, I repeat.

The only Oct surprise that will affect any Trump vote is a disgusting sex thing.

His peeps DGAF about business improprieties or Russian connections. They are too far gone.

You know, I don’t even know about that anymore the way they reacted to the allegations made by all the women.

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bratwurst  Oct 31, 2016 • 6:24:02pm

Someone gets even huffier than usual when people start speaking badly of Putin:

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HappyWarrior  Oct 31, 2016 • 6:24:52pm

re: #291 bratwurst

Someone gets even huffier than usual when people start speaking badly of Putin:

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Speaking of self-righteous douches……………

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Barefoot Grin  Oct 31, 2016 • 6:25:07pm

What is it about warriors for transparency and their love for Putin?

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Eventual Carrion  Oct 31, 2016 • 6:25:20pm

re: #228 Stanley Sea

LOL

[Embedded content]

Was the kids dressed as tRump?

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HappyWarrior  Oct 31, 2016 • 6:25:58pm

re: #293 Barefoot Grin

What is it about warriors for transparency and their love for Putin?

They’re for “transparency” only when it comes to the West.

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Barefoot Grin  Oct 31, 2016 • 6:26:44pm

re: #295 HappyWarrior

They’re for “transparency” only when it comes to the West.

Outsized righteous indignation and so they seek the arms of the bear.

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freetoken  Oct 31, 2016 • 6:26:58pm

re: #295 HappyWarrior

They’re for “transparency” only when it comes to the West.

And only particular people or groups.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 31, 2016 • 6:27:33pm

re: #297 freetoken

And only particular people or groups.

Yep. If someone hacked in to Glenn’s emails, he’d rightfully be pissed but he’s all for it when it’s Podesta’s.

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b.d.  Oct 31, 2016 • 6:27:44pm

re: #291 bratwurst

Someone gets even huffier than usual when people start speaking badly of Putin:

[Embedded content]

Hey Glenn, remember when Snowden was an anonymous source?

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b.d.  Oct 31, 2016 • 6:29:31pm
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Eric The Fruit Bat  Oct 31, 2016 • 6:30:31pm

If anything, this settles once and for all Trump’s insistence he has no business connections with Russia. The tax returns would now just be icing on the cake. It’s very possible that this secretive server was being used to the management of fund movements around Trump’s various business enterprises in Russia…..

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The Vicious Babushka  Oct 31, 2016 • 6:31:32pm

How would you like to live across the street from this==>

This is Halloween - Halloween Light Show House 2016 Riverside

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Shiplord Kirel  Oct 31, 2016 • 6:33:00pm

re: #183 Shiplord Kirel

If this pans out it will be the biggest story since 9-11. It could unravel the whole Russian influence system in this country, and a big part of the far right propaganda machine with it.

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stpaulbear  Oct 31, 2016 • 6:34:14pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 31, 2016 • 6:34:47pm

re: #278 Stanley Sea

Hmmmmmmm.

Not the same chocolate covered sprouts that was posted before, but close:

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MsJ  Oct 31, 2016 • 6:36:10pm

re: #302 The Vicious Babushka

How would you like to live across the street from this==>

[Embedded content]

I would hate them but man, that is the coolest thing I’ve seen.

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A wild WITHAK appeared!  Oct 31, 2016 • 6:36:14pm

Happy Halloween Oppo Fright Night!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 31, 2016 • 6:36:38pm

LOL from Trump’s favorite cheerleader “reporter”:

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b.d.  Oct 31, 2016 • 6:37:10pm

yep
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jaunte  Oct 31, 2016 • 6:38:08pm
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Eric The Fruit Bat  Oct 31, 2016 • 6:38:28pm

re: #291 bratwurst

Just tweet back: Source?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 31, 2016 • 6:39:12pm
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Ziggy_TARDIS  Oct 31, 2016 • 6:39:58pm
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Eric The Fruit Bat  Oct 31, 2016 • 6:40:46pm

re: #312 Backwoods_Sleuth

Methinks the FBI is in CYA mode here. Not only that, but the so-called FBI experts appear to be pikers compared to what Slate published.

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The Vicious Babushka  Oct 31, 2016 • 6:41:59pm

re: #312 Backwoods_Sleuth

[Embedded content]

That wasn’t an email server. It was not used to send email, other than some random spam as a cover.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Oct 31, 2016 • 6:42:52pm

re: #314 Eric The Fruit Bat

re: #315 The Vicious Babushka

I don’t believe a lick of what the FBI says.

They were awfully quick with that, weren’t they?

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Decatur Deb  Oct 31, 2016 • 6:43:19pm

re: #302 The Vicious Babushka

How would you like to live across the street from this==>

[Embedded content]

I’d freakn’ love it. My neighborhood is a drive-thru morgue.

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Nyet  Oct 31, 2016 • 6:46:39pm

re: #301 Eric The Fruit Bat

If anything, this settles once and for all Trump’s insistence he has no business connections with Russia. The tax returns would now just be icing on the cake. It’s very possible that this secretive server was being used to the management of fund movements around Trump’s various business enterprises in Russia…..

To date no such enterprises have been shown.

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Charles Johnson  Oct 31, 2016 • 6:47:02pm
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Targetpractice  Oct 31, 2016 • 6:48:44pm

October had a few more surprises before it ended.

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Kragar  Oct 31, 2016 • 6:49:10pm
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Rightwingconspirator  Oct 31, 2016 • 6:49:10pm

re: #312 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Nyet  Oct 31, 2016 • 6:49:53pm

re: #312 Backwoods_Sleuth

This does not actually address the evidence in the article:

But the F.B.I. ultimately concluded that there could be an innocuous explanation, like a marketing email or spam, for the computer contacts.

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Charles Johnson  Oct 31, 2016 • 6:49:55pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 31, 2016 • 6:49:56pm

heh

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thedopefishlives  Oct 31, 2016 • 6:50:10pm

re: #320 Targetpractice

October had a few more surprises before it ended.

And it’s not quite over yet, either.

So what did I miss?

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TedStriker  Oct 31, 2016 • 6:50:42pm

re: #133 FormerDirtDart

[Embedded content]

Fuck, here we go again, this time people got hurt….

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Targetpractice  Oct 31, 2016 • 6:51:54pm

re: #326 thedopefishlives

And it’s not quite over yet, either.

So what did I miss?

Trump is the Manchurian Candidate who’s also a tax cheat and 3 badgers in a suit…I can’t guarantee the validity of the first two.

/

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 31, 2016 • 6:52:05pm

re: #326 thedopefishlives

And it’s not quite over yet, either.

So what did I miss?

Russians
secret server
taxes
fraud in Mexico

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Decatur Deb  Oct 31, 2016 • 6:52:26pm

re: #323 Nyet

This does not actually address the evidence in the article:
But the F.B.I. ultimately concluded that there could be an innocuous explanation, like a marketing email or spam, for the computer contacts.

Does the FBI have an intern whose hourly task is to assert how little they know about emails?

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thedopefishlives  Oct 31, 2016 • 6:53:24pm

re: #328 Targetpractice

Trump is the Manchurian Candidate who’s also a tax cheat and 3 badgers in a suit…I can’t guarantee the validity of the first two.

/

RIGHT!

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Targetpractice  Oct 31, 2016 • 6:53:48pm

re: #330 Decatur Deb

Does the FBI have an intern whose hourly task is to assert how little they know about emails?

I think there’s just somebody out there’s who’s bitter that reporters are doing a better job than they appear to be doing.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 31, 2016 • 6:54:55pm
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Charles Johnson  Oct 31, 2016 • 6:55:38pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 31, 2016 • 6:57:15pm
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Tigger2  Oct 31, 2016 • 6:57:45pm

re: #324 Charles Johnson

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I’ll volunteer to be found if I get the $10.000. :))

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Charles Johnson  Oct 31, 2016 • 6:58:27pm

re: #336 Tigger2

I’ll volunteer to be found if I get the $10.000. :))

Go for it! But you have to split it with me.

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Rightwingconspirator  Oct 31, 2016 • 6:59:18pm

re: #334 Charles Johnson

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Charles Johnson  Oct 31, 2016 • 7:00:08pm
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Reality Based Steve  Oct 31, 2016 • 7:00:35pm

On a non-political theme rant.

rant_on Dear distributors. I appreciate you putting your 500 page catalog out in a PDF format. I would appreciate it even more if you had taken the time to perhaps make the pages numbers on the Table of Contents link to the corresponding page in the catalog /rant_off

RBS

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The Ghost of a Flea  Oct 31, 2016 • 7:01:32pm

re: #338 Rightwingconspirator

Also, part of being non-fascist is not choosing the cheap, ugly tactics that make our opponents so visible.

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Reality Based Steve  Oct 31, 2016 • 7:02:58pm

well, having spent the entire day at Starbuck and consuming during that time a Vente Mocha, a Vente Hazelnut Latte and a Vente Java Chip Frappachino I’m going to go home and organize my sock drawer until 3 am.

RBS

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 31, 2016 • 7:07:13pm
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austin_blue  Oct 31, 2016 • 7:11:01pm

re: #269 HappyWarrior

You know, I’ve come to like sprouts. Now, Lima Beans, those can rot in hell.

Ham and Motherfuckers. No shit.

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Smith25's Liberal Thighs  Oct 31, 2016 • 7:12:37pm

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The Vicious Babushka  Oct 31, 2016 • 7:12:53pm
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Tigger2  Oct 31, 2016 • 7:12:56pm

:)))

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Trumpkins, Vote Nov. 28th!!  Oct 31, 2016 • 7:15:22pm

re: #334 Charles Johnson

The typical liberal wants to understand if not empathize with the wingnut. Express even mildly harsh language toward the RWNJ and watch the cringe.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 31, 2016 • 7:15:27pm

I am exhausted but here in the Backwoods there’s still an hour and 45 minutes left in October…

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The Vicious Babushka  Oct 31, 2016 • 7:15:40pm

SMOTI just tweeted this, it is more accurate than he thinks because of the “Children of the Corn” redeye effect==>

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Stanley Sea  Oct 31, 2016 • 7:19:16pm

Ivanka commercial in CA. With the lie of the “child care” proposal.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 31, 2016 • 7:19:47pm
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Eric The Fruit Bat  Oct 31, 2016 • 7:20:31pm

re: #318 Nyet

To date no such enterprises have been shown.

True-for now at least.

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Stanley Sea  Oct 31, 2016 • 7:20:47pm

re: #345 Smith25’s Liberal Thighs

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Teukka  Oct 31, 2016 • 7:21:15pm

re: #23 jaunte

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Pawn of the Oppressor  Oct 31, 2016 • 7:22:11pm

re: #335 Backwoods_Sleuth

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The money quote in there is comparing Allied Force to the Ukraine. My pet theory is that Russian meddling in the election is long-game payback for intervening in the former Yugoslavia. Bill Clinton messed with our backyard, we mess with his wife’s election.

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Decatur Deb  Oct 31, 2016 • 7:22:47pm

re: #355 Teukka

I won’t be satisfied until Weiner’s dic-pics are found on Trump’s server.

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thedopefishlives  Oct 31, 2016 • 7:23:17pm

re: #357 Decatur Deb

I won’t be satisfied until Weiner’s dic-pics are found on Trump’s server.

That can be arranged.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Oct 31, 2016 • 7:24:17pm

re: #323 Nyet

Seems there is still a lot of un-asnwered questions at this point, according to the Slate article. Guess we’ll have to wait until after the election until we get some answers.

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Decatur Deb  Oct 31, 2016 • 7:24:42pm

re: #358 thedopefishlives

That can be arranged.

Hate to think Weiner had missed one.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 31, 2016 • 7:24:48pm

awwwwwwwwww

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Trumpkins, Vote Nov. 28th!!  Oct 31, 2016 • 7:30:16pm

I’m sure many down-home Nazis thought they were good people. Loved their kids, gave to the church, paid their taxes. Still, supported a murderous regime hell bent on world domination. Hmm. Were they good people? Are there any “good” people? Lots of people think they are “good”.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 31, 2016 • 7:31:26pm
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HappyWarrior  Oct 31, 2016 • 7:32:38pm

re: #363 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Ha, nice.

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The Vicious Babushka  Oct 31, 2016 • 7:33:01pm
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The Vicious Babushka  Oct 31, 2016 • 7:34:32pm

Baby Whiplash says young Black men aren’t singled out by police, they get shot because they are “thugs”

So what does he dress up as for Halloween?

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Oct 31, 2016 • 7:34:44pm

This might knock the emails down.

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thedopefishlives  Oct 31, 2016 • 7:36:31pm

re: #365 The Vicious Babushka

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Obama never struck me as physically imposing. How tall is he?

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bratwurst  Oct 31, 2016 • 7:36:44pm
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The Vicious Babushka  Oct 31, 2016 • 7:37:18pm

re: #368 thedopefishlives

Obama never struck me as physically imposing. How tall is he?

Taller than Putin.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 31, 2016 • 7:37:31pm
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thedopefishlives  Oct 31, 2016 • 7:37:35pm

re: #370 The Vicious Babushka

Taller than Putin.

Obviously, but that’s not saying much, either.

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The Vicious Babushka  Oct 31, 2016 • 7:38:04pm

Putin: 5’7”
Obama: 6’1”

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thedopefishlives  Oct 31, 2016 • 7:38:37pm

re: #373 The Vicious Babushka

Putin: 5’7”
Obama: 6’1”

So Obama’s actually about my size. I never would’ve guessed, just from looking at him. Interesting how perspective changes things.

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Trumpkins, Vote Nov. 28th!!  Oct 31, 2016 • 7:39:11pm

re: #365 The Vicious Babushka

Dude couldn’t have picked a worse picture to make his case.

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teleskiguy  Oct 31, 2016 • 7:39:15pm

re: #368 thedopefishlives

Obama never struck me as physically imposing. How tall is he?

6’ 1”

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 31, 2016 • 7:39:26pm
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Ziggy_TARDIS  Oct 31, 2016 • 7:40:10pm

Got a 2nd Poll showing a Hillary lead in Alaska.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Oct 31, 2016 • 7:40:14pm

TPM: Russia’s cold, decrepit hand

Two stories were published today alleging or suggesting actual covert communication between the Kremlin and the Trump campaign and an effort to use Trump to advance Russian interests in the United States. One of these stories is about suspicious communication between a Trump controlled email server and Russia. The second story is much more specific in its accusation. According to David Corn, who is an experienced national security and intelligence reporter, a retired spy from a western country who now works for an American security contractor has provided the FBI with evidence suggesting that “the Russian government has for years tried to co-opt and assist Trump.” Corn further reports that this retired spy found “troubling information indicating connections between Trump and the Russian government. According to his sources, he says, ‘there was an established exchange of information between the Trump campaign and the Kremlin of mutual benefit.’”

Such an effort to manipulate a US election by a hostile foreign government is all but unprecedented. For all the chatter about the subject, there’s been very little wrestling with the implications of this in reporting on the US presidential election. When you put it together with Trump’s close support of Russian government policies on almost every front, his financial ties to Russian, and the number of close advisors with close ties to Putin and his allies, it’s more than enough to ring every alarm bell.

Think of it this way.

If Trump is advocating for Russia in the US political arena (he is), and Russia is conducting an espionage and disruption campaign on Trump’s behalf in the US political area (highly likely), do I need to know if they’re actually talking to each other while both these things are happening? I’m not sure I do.

Isn’t this a much bigger deal than it has been made out to be?

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thedopefishlives  Oct 31, 2016 • 7:42:08pm

re: #378 Ziggy_TARDIS

Got a 2nd Poll showing a Hillary lead in Alaska.

I know we caution you about this often, but don’t just cherry-pick your polls. For all your pooh-poohing of Nate Silver’s work, legitimate though your criticisms may be, it’s safer to play against the aggregate because it increases the sample size. In a situation like an election, where the data noise is high, the larger sample size by including even skewed polls makes it more likely that the aggregate will report something resembling the truth.

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Jenner7  Oct 31, 2016 • 7:42:58pm

I just don’t get what the FBI is doing. It seems like they are covering Trump’s butt. But, who knows at this point. There’s so much information out there and we don’t know what’s true or not.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 31, 2016 • 7:44:47pm

US District Court, District of New Jersey:

more at the link (a PDF)

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Oct 31, 2016 • 7:46:51pm

re: #380 thedopefishlives

A number of polls earlier showed an intensely close race in Alaska. Trump up by only 2-4 points.

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Snarknado!  Oct 31, 2016 • 7:48:01pm

re: #380 thedopefishlives

I know we caution you about this often, but don’t just cherry-pick your polls. For all your pooh-poohing of Nate Silver’s work, legitimate though your criticisms may be, it’s safer to play against the aggregate because it increases the sample size. In a situation like an election, where the data noise is high, the larger sample size by including even skewed polls makes it more likely that the aggregate will report something resembling the truth.

Good advice — but Sam Wang is also showing Alaska as leaning Trump (and Clinton has been gaining there for a month or so according to him. All three of their electoral votes…)

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The Vicious Babushka  Oct 31, 2016 • 7:48:48pm
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retired cynic  Oct 31, 2016 • 7:48:50pm

re: #325 Backwoods_Sleuth

heh

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I remember ‘bimbo eruptions’ in the unpleasant past. I am sure she meant that, the stink.

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The Vicious Babushka  Oct 31, 2016 • 7:50:49pm
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Stanley Sea  Oct 31, 2016 • 7:50:49pm
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bratwurst  Oct 31, 2016 • 7:51:35pm
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The Vicious Babushka  Oct 31, 2016 • 7:52:06pm

Trump owes $600 million to Deutsche Bank. How much does he owe to Alfa?

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TedStriker  Oct 31, 2016 • 7:55:39pm

re: #390 The Vicious Babushka

Trump owes $600 million to Deutsche Bank. How much does he owe to Alfa?

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Being the Russians, it wouldn’t surprise me if it was his ass.

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Teukka  Oct 31, 2016 • 7:56:42pm

re: #390 The Vicious Babushka

Trump owes $600 million to Deutsche Bank. How much does he owe to Alfa?

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His soul?
*ducks*

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The Vicious Babushka  Oct 31, 2016 • 7:57:07pm

re: #392 Teukka

His soul?
*ducks*

He would if he had one.

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Teukka  Oct 31, 2016 • 7:58:02pm

re: #393 The Vicious Babushka

He would if he had one.

He did. Once.
*grins evily*

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thedopefishlives  Oct 31, 2016 • 7:58:27pm

re: #394 Teukka

He did. Once.
*grins evily*

Lost it to Stan in one of his bankruptcies.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 31, 2016 • 7:58:39pm

re: #394 Teukka

He did. Once.
*grins evily*

He probably stole it.

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Teukka  Oct 31, 2016 • 7:58:58pm

re: #395 thedopefishlives

Lost it to Stan in one of his bankruptcies.

And Lou. You know, Lou Cipher?

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Anymouse  Oct 31, 2016 • 7:59:36pm

re: #119 FormerDirtDart

Well, it’s eight o’clock at night on Halloween.
I have three pounds of candy.
And, not one knock at my door thus far.

Nine PM here in mythical Mountain time now. Though our village is very small, ranchers and farmers for miles around bring their children into town for trick or treating.

Kids like us. We give out real chocolate bars (not so-called “fun size” chocolates - as someone over at Wonkette put it, they thought a fun size bar would be about 10kg).

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The Vicious Babushka  Oct 31, 2016 • 8:00:09pm

The only way Trump could be blackmailed by a sex tape would be if nobody wanted to do it with him except for a “2”

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Oct 31, 2016 • 8:00:22pm

Around 25 million have voted.

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thedopefishlives  Oct 31, 2016 • 8:00:38pm

re: #398 Anymouse

Nine PM here in mythical Mountain time now. Though our village is very small, ranchers and farmers for miles around bring their children into town for trick or treating.

Kids like us. We give out real chocolate bars (not so-called “fun size” chocolates - as someone over at Wonkette put it, they thought a fun size bar would be about 10kg).

We give out candy alternates. Unlike the hippie houses that give out crappy alternatives, though, we have cool toys and soda pop for the older kids/teenagers.

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freetoken  Oct 31, 2016 • 8:01:11pm

re: #382 Backwoods_Sleuth

Please give a bullet point ‘splainer.

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jaunte  Oct 31, 2016 • 8:01:15pm

re: #399 The Vicious Babushka

Or it’s a Trump remake of The Crying Game.

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Shiplord Kirel  Oct 31, 2016 • 8:02:34pm

Is the Rage Furby a Kremlin troll? Quite a few Lizards have speculated about the source of Chuck’s apparently considerable funding, and have been puzzled by it. The people who work as handlers in this kind of operation are not fools at all, which would seem to rule out any chance that they are wasting money on Chuck. However, with the rapid expansion of this activity in recent years, it’s possible that the Russians have had to employ handlers who are not quite as familiar with the subtleties of American media culture as they probably need to be. Such a handler may not realize what a buffoon and laughingstock Chuck really is and may thetefore be taken in.

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freetoken  Oct 31, 2016 • 8:02:36pm

Today’s “news cycle” is broken.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 31, 2016 • 8:03:08pm

(Trump has only an 11 percent chance of winning according to Upshot … or words to that effect.)

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Teukka  Oct 31, 2016 • 8:03:32pm

re: #404 Shiplord Kirel

Is the Rage Furby a Kremlin troll? Quite a few Lizards have speculated about the source of Chuck’s apparently considerable funding, and have been puzzled by it. The people who work as handlers in this kind of operation are not fools at all, which would seem to rule out any chance that they are wasting money on Chuck. However, with the rapid expansion of this activity in recent years, it’s possible that the Russians have had to employ handlers who are not quite as familiar with the subtleties of American media culture as they probably need to be. Such a handler may not realize what a buffoon and laughingstock Chuck really is and may thetefore be taken in.

Or maybe they know, and Chuckles is just a way to raise the noise floor to mask the real activity…

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 31, 2016 • 8:04:55pm

re: #402 freetoken

Please give a bullet point ‘splainer.

The screenshot I included is pretty much it. The rest is footnotes and the usual legal verbiage.

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EPR-radar  Oct 31, 2016 • 8:05:54pm

re: #385 The Vicious Babushka

Whining about oppo dumps is a really stupid thing for Cillizza to do.

1) This is just business as usual.

2) If the Clinton campaign has real dirt on Trump they should absolutely pass it on the the media as effectively as they can. It would be political malpractice to do otherwise, and Trump must be stopped.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Oct 31, 2016 • 8:06:22pm

So, how do people feel about the election today?

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Targetpractice  Oct 31, 2016 • 8:07:32pm

re: #410 Ziggy_TARDIS

So, how do people feel about the election today?

Bender(s) Doomed

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jaunte  Oct 31, 2016 • 8:09:08pm

Something not befitting the “Trump brand.”
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gwangung  Oct 31, 2016 • 8:09:11pm

re: #409 EPR-radar

Whining about oppo dumps is a really stupid thing for Cillizza to do.

1) This is just business as usual.

2) If the Clinton campaign has real dirt on Trump they should absolutely pass it on the the media as effectively as they can. It would be political malpractice to do otherwise, and Trump must be stopped.

Well, the other thing is that there’s a shelf life on Trump stories…from now until Friday is the golden hour for them….later there;s less interest, less impact so there’s an incentive to put even partial stories out there…

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teleskiguy  Oct 31, 2016 • 8:09:44pm

re: #410 Ziggy_TARDIS

So, how do people feel about the election today?

Vote Responsibly

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freetoken  Oct 31, 2016 • 8:09:48pm

re: #408 Backwoods_Sleuth

I guess I don’t really know what it is, why it is important, or what possible impact it has.

I’m looking at the Google News headlines now, and the Elections headlines, and the dominant story is still EMAILS!

Sure, there is one headline, from the NYT, about their investigation into Drumpfskind’s tax dodging. But it’s only one headline.

EMAILS! sticks. All this other stuff people have posted today hasn’t moved that.

I’m quite confident that most Americans will not hear about the tax dodging story… or the (now discredited?) Russian bank connection… or the latest assaulted woman… or the legal battle over voter intimidation… or who knows what else I’ve missed today.

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EPR-radar  Oct 31, 2016 • 8:11:23pm

re: #410 Ziggy_TARDIS

So, how do people feel about the election today?

I’d like to see the mother of all oppo dumps nuke Trump from orbit in the next few days.

With respect to the emails, a good fraction of the reporting on that appears to be focusing on Comey’s malfeasance in office, which is good.

IMO the most significant block of undecideds in this election is people caught between their irrational hatred of Clinton and their rational hatred of Trump. It’s hard to predict how these people will end up voting.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 31, 2016 • 8:12:03pm

re: #415 freetoken

Essentially, it’s about Trump encouraging his followers to go to polling places and make sure the election isn’t stolen by challenging voters. And the RNC is already under an order prohibiting anything like that.

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Shiplord Kirel  Oct 31, 2016 • 8:12:20pm

The election may hinge on a Trump sex tape?
If so, those street corner preachers are right and our political system truly has gone to hell in a hand-basket (of deplorables?)

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freetoken  Oct 31, 2016 • 8:12:43pm

Oh, I forget… the Brazile story… the Burr story… the Kasich story…

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freetoken  Oct 31, 2016 • 8:13:41pm

re: #417 Backwoods_Sleuth

But that is old news. What was so special about that document, it is dated today?

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Targetpractice  Oct 31, 2016 • 8:14:30pm

re: #418 Shiplord Kirel

The election may hinge on a Trump sex tape?
If so, those street corner preachers are right and our political system truly has gone to hell in a hand-basket (of deplorables?)

Is it too late to dress in sackcloth and walk around with a sandwich board saying “THE END IS NEAR”?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 31, 2016 • 8:15:07pm

re: #420 freetoken

But that is old news. What was so special about that document, it is dated today?

yes, the order was filed dated today and the discovery is ordered to be filed on Wednesday.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Oct 31, 2016 • 8:15:57pm

re: #411 Targetpractice

Serious or funny?

I am trying to use you all to get a gauge to try and relax myself.

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Stanley Sea  Oct 31, 2016 • 8:16:15pm

re: #403 jaunte

Or it’s a Trump remake of The Crying Game.

re: #403 jaunte

Or it’s a Trump remake of The Crying Game.

Pfawwwwwwwww

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freetoken  Oct 31, 2016 • 8:16:58pm

re: #422 Backwoods_Sleuth

See, now I’m confused.

There was an old agreement the RNC had with a court regarding voting intimidation. It predates this election.

Is this latest thing a new order, or an attempt to change the old order?

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Targetpractice  Oct 31, 2016 • 8:17:21pm

re: #423 Ziggy_TARDIS

Serious or funny?

I am trying to use you all to get a gauge to try and relax myself.

Funny, because I decided weeks ago that come Hell or high water, Hillary is going to win. Everything after that is gravy.

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teleskiguy  Oct 31, 2016 • 8:18:34pm

re: #410 Ziggy_TARDIS

So, how do people feel about the election today?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 31, 2016 • 8:18:58pm

re: #425 freetoken

See, now I’m confused.

There was an old agreement the RNC had with a court regarding voting intimidation. It predates this election.

Is this latest thing a new order, or an attempt to change the old order?

This is the DNC vs RNC regarding Trump telling his people to go to the polls despite the order already in effect.

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MsJ  Oct 31, 2016 • 8:19:19pm

re: #381 Jenner7

I just don’t get what the FBI is doing. It seems like they are covering Trump’s butt. But, who knows at this point. There’s so much information out there and we don’t know what’s true or not.

The one thing we absolutely do know is what Comey did. That is a certainty. And it is beyond…curious.

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Stanley Sea  Oct 31, 2016 • 8:19:38pm

re: #425 freetoken

See, now I’m confused.

There was an old agreement the RNC had with a court regarding voting intimidation. It predates this election.

Is this latest thing a new order, or an attempt to change the old order?

The old order was expiring. The DNC brought this up to renew the order. Because the RNC failed in adherence.

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EPR-radar  Oct 31, 2016 • 8:19:40pm

re: #425 freetoken

See, now I’m confused.

There was an old agreement the RNC had with a court regarding voting intimidation. It predates this election.

Is this latest thing a new order, or an attempt to change the old order?

As I understand it, Trump’s circus act may be violating that old RNC consent decree. The DNC has sued to stop Trump’s goon squad from mobilizing, and this discovery appears to be part of that suit.

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Charles Johnson  Oct 31, 2016 • 8:20:04pm
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Targetpractice  Oct 31, 2016 • 8:20:34pm

re: #432 Charles Johnson

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Chucky’s hearing voices again?

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thedopefishlives  Oct 31, 2016 • 8:20:38pm

re: #432 Charles Johnson

Is that actually him, or is it some pathetic fool pretending to be him?

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jaunte  Oct 31, 2016 • 8:20:49pm

re: #424 Stanley Sea

Trying to think of *anything* Trump could be blackmailed on.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 31, 2016 • 8:21:33pm

re: #430 Stanley Sea

re: #431 EPR-radar

Also, there are already documented incidents of alleged Trump supporters harassing voters at early voting polling places.

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EPR-radar  Oct 31, 2016 • 8:21:34pm

re: #435 jaunte

Trying to think of *anything* Trump could be blackmailed on.

His taxes. That was easy.

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Targetpractice  Oct 31, 2016 • 8:21:59pm

re: #435 jaunte

Trying to think of *anything* Trump could be blackmailed on.

That he’s stapled a dead ferret to his head.

/

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jaunte  Oct 31, 2016 • 8:22:07pm

re: #437 EPR-radar

“All lies”

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retired cynic  Oct 31, 2016 • 8:22:09pm

re: #434 thedopefishlives

Is that actually him, or is it some pathetic fool pretending to be him?

Sounds like him to me.

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Charles Johnson  Oct 31, 2016 • 8:22:14pm

re: #434 thedopefishlives

Is that actually him, or is it some pathetic fool pretending to be him?

I think it’s actually him.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 31, 2016 • 8:22:58pm
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EPR-radar  Oct 31, 2016 • 8:23:07pm

re: #436 Backwoods_Sleuth

Also, there are already documented incidents of alleged Trump supporters harassing voters at early voting polling places.

I’d like to see the RNC consent decree get extended for another 20 years or so as part of the remedy for this case.

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Stanley Sea  Oct 31, 2016 • 8:23:50pm

remember the smokestack “ship”

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teleskiguy  Oct 31, 2016 • 8:24:03pm

re: #434 thedopefishlives

Is that actually him, or is it some pathetic fool pretending to be him?

It’s him.

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thedopefishlives  Oct 31, 2016 • 8:24:04pm

re: #441 Charles Johnson

I think it’s actually him.

Not for long.

[Snicker.]

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teleskiguy  Oct 31, 2016 • 8:24:31pm
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freetoken  Oct 31, 2016 • 8:25:49pm

re: #428 Backwoods_Sleuth

Thanks. The electionlawblog website is too onerous for me to load in Chrome. Whoever designed that site has it load a lot of old stuff and it just blows up my cpu and memory.

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goddamnedfrank  Oct 31, 2016 • 8:26:31pm

re: #412 jaunte

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Something not befitting the “Trump brand.”

Barro has no imagination, he hears the prospect of a Russian Trump “sex tape” and assumes what’s depicted is necessarily non-violent and involving consenting adult partners. He doesn’t think about the kinds of things that A.) Trump’s dark psyche is capable of, or B.) Moscow’s ability to identify and manipulate Trump’s weaknesses, the kinds of things that might actually embarrass him.

What if like many overcompensating hyper alpha men Trump’s secret kink is being sexually submissive? What if they’ve got him on tape in a latex gimp suit getting pegged by an amputee? Sorry to put that image in your heads but the point is only a fool would glibly dismiss the idea that a guy like Trump is somehow beyond being embarrassed by a “sex tape.”

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Oct 31, 2016 • 8:27:25pm

re: #216 Nyet

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Stanley Sea  Oct 31, 2016 • 8:27:37pm

Putin’s last stand I guess

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EPR-radar  Oct 31, 2016 • 8:27:52pm

re: #439 jaunte

“All lies”

Taxes was a bit imprecise. Complete financial statements for Trump, including all assets and liabilities, would be the holy grail.

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MsJ  Oct 31, 2016 • 8:27:54pm

re: #431 EPR-radar

As I understand it, Trump’s circus act may be violating that old RNC consent decree. The DNC has sued to stop Trump’s goon squad from mobilizing, and this discovery appears to be part of that suit.

Plus they want to extend the consent decree, set to expire in 2017, by several years.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Oct 31, 2016 • 8:28:30pm

re: #449 goddamnedfrank

To be honest, I wasn’t that “imaginative” either.

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Charles Johnson  Oct 31, 2016 • 8:28:37pm

Yep, this is definitely Chuck.

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Black d20  Oct 31, 2016 • 8:29:13pm

re: #432 Charles Johnson

Autoreported!

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Targetpractice  Oct 31, 2016 • 8:29:13pm

re: #444 Stanley Sea

remember the smokestack “ship”

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Targetpractice  Oct 31, 2016 • 8:31:28pm

re: #449 goddamnedfrank

Barro has no imagination, he hears the prospect of a Russian Trump “sex tape” and assumes what’s depicted is necessarily non-violent and involving consenting adult partners. He doesn’t think about the kinds of things that A.) Trump’s dark psyche is capable of, or B.) Moscow’s ability to identify and manipulate Trump’s weaknesses, the kinds of things that might actually embarrass him.

What if like many overcompensating hyper alpha men Trump’s secret kink is being sexually submissive? What if they’ve got him on tape in a latex gimp suit getting pegged by an amputee? Sorry to put that image in your heads but the point is only a fool would glibly dismiss the idea that a guy like Trump is somehow beyond being embarrassed by a “sex tape.”

Frank, I’m sending you my therapist’s bills for the next year.

//

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Pawn of the Oppressor  Oct 31, 2016 • 8:31:32pm

re: #404 Shiplord Kirel

Is the Rage Furby a Kremlin troll? Quite a few Lizards have speculated about the source of Chuck’s apparently considerable funding, and have been puzzled by it. The people who work as handlers in this kind of operation are not fools at all, which would seem to rule out any chance that they are wasting money on Chuck. However, with the rapid expansion of this activity in recent years, it’s possible that the Russians have had to employ handlers who are not quite as familiar with the subtleties of American media culture as they probably need to be. Such a handler may not realize what a buffoon and laughingstock Chuck really is and may thetefore be taken in.

Interference has many forms. If you’re forced to clean shit off the floor, that’s time you could have spent doing actual work. Noise has value in their playbook.

Chucksie is a cheap date, but his ROI is zero. If Russkie shitpost-bucks were sent his way, I would imagine that after the second time he produced jack shit (and certainly after he got removed from Twitter), they went elsewhere. I wouldn’t be surprised if he had an anonymous sugar daddy that disappeared after he got banned.

What good is troll if he is not on internet?

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Tigger2  Oct 31, 2016 • 8:31:37pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 31, 2016 • 8:32:37pm
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Charles Johnson  Oct 31, 2016 • 8:35:03pm
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thedopefishlives  Oct 31, 2016 • 8:35:14pm

re: #457 Targetpractice

To be fair, even the US Navy has its share of mishaps. Some of them even involve brand-new ships. Ship happens.

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Pawn of the Oppressor  Oct 31, 2016 • 8:36:49pm

re: #455 Charles Johnson

Yep, this is definitely Chuck.

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A vinyl banner and some stolen construction stakes. It’s like they’re re-living their student council election loss over and over again. Everything they do is third-rate sophomore year shit. It’s amazing.

Edit: Actually, that’s pretty much Chucksie in a nutshell. We’ve long established that he’s still that obnoxious, friendless shithead who discovered being “conservative” in 10th grade and never grew up…

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Charles Johnson  Oct 31, 2016 • 8:37:54pm
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HappyWarrior  Oct 31, 2016 • 8:38:21pm

re: #461 Backwoods_Sleuth

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He’s got a really nice family. Really hope we see more of him and his brother in the future.

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Targetpractice  Oct 31, 2016 • 8:39:01pm

re: #463 thedopefishlives

To be fair, even the US Navy has its share of mishaps. Some of them even involve brand-new ships. Ship happens.

Oh no argument there, the LCS program has been an utter disaster for the US Navy and the Ford class isn’t much better. The Zumwalt’s still so new that there’s no telling if it will be a problem child, but I suspect there will be problems to iron out. What the US Navy does best is find a good design and then exploit the fuck out of it for decades. That’s why they’re preparing for a whole new flight of Arleigh Burke’s despite the design being decades old. Don’t fix what isn’t broken.

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teleskiguy  Oct 31, 2016 • 8:40:00pm

Shooting fish in a barrel.

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whitebeach  Oct 31, 2016 • 8:41:25pm

re: #438 Targetpractice

That he’s stapled a dead ferret to his head.

/

It’s the old story in politics, just like Edwin Edwards said, a dead ferret or a live lemur.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Oct 31, 2016 • 8:42:11pm

re: #412 jaunte

Could someone in the CIA be leaking stuff now, to hurt the FBI?

There is some bad blood between the FBI and CIA, and the CIA lost the last time they had a turf war, after 9/11.

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Charles Johnson  Oct 31, 2016 • 8:42:51pm
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thedopefishlives  Oct 31, 2016 • 8:43:09pm

re: #467 Targetpractice

Oh no argument there, the LCS program has been an utter disaster for the US Navy and the Ford class isn’t much better. The Zumwalt’s still so new that there’s no telling if it will be a problem child, but I suspect there will be problems to iron out. What the US Navy does best is find a good design and then exploit the fuck out of it for decades. That’s why they’re preparing for a whole new flight of Arleigh Burke’s despite the design being decades old. Don’t fix what isn’t broken.

Or, for example, the Nimitz class (why are we “upgrading” to the Ford-class again?), which has been in existence since the discovery of practical nuclear sea power. Granted, we never had a chance to find out how they would fare in an all-out naval battle, but as the queens on the chessboard of international politics, they have been without equal.

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Pawn of the Oppressor  Oct 31, 2016 • 8:45:02pm

To be fair, Feldwebel Floorschitter is probably having a better evening than I am.

I was on the scene of an accident yesterday afternoon coming onto the island where I live, and I saw some things I’m having trouble shaking. I thought about going across the street to our beloved local sports bar but I’m feeling stay-in-ish and don’t want to come back smelling like cigarettes at 2 AM.

It would probably do me good to go have a beer with neighbors on Halloween, even if they’re all loud and drunk, but I’m tired too… May just turn in and try to mentally reset tomorrow.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Oct 31, 2016 • 8:45:59pm

re: #471 Charles Johnson

Just when I thought this election couldn’t get any nastier.

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teleskiguy  Oct 31, 2016 • 8:46:03pm

UpChuck is going to be tweeting all night until Twitter pulls the sock puppet. He’s already compared himself to Jesus Christ and Batman and claims to be the finest researcher in the world. Ugh.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 31, 2016 • 8:46:38pm

re: #471 Charles Johnson

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Jesus.

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thedopefishlives  Oct 31, 2016 • 8:46:46pm

re: #475 teleskiguy

UpChuck is going to be tweeting all night until Twitter pulls the sock puppet. He’s already compared himself to Jesus Christ and Batman and claims to be the finest researcher in the world. Ugh.

Sounds like he’s been drinking again (or hasn’t stopped).

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HappyWarrior  Oct 31, 2016 • 8:47:11pm

re: #477 thedopefishlives

Sounds like he’s been drinking again (or hasn’t stopped).

Whenever he posts anything, I assume he’s on some sort of bender.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 31, 2016 • 8:48:41pm

LOL!

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thedopefishlives  Oct 31, 2016 • 8:49:51pm

re: #479 Backwoods_Sleuth

A Twitter accountant. Yup. He’s definitely trashed.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 31, 2016 • 8:50:09pm

re: #479 Backwoods_Sleuth

LOL!

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I hear you can make good money being a Twitter Accountant.

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Targetpractice  Oct 31, 2016 • 8:50:59pm

re: #472 thedopefishlives

Or, for example, the Nimitz class (why are we “upgrading” to the Ford-class again?), which has been in existence since the discovery of practical nuclear sea power. Granted, we never had a chance to find out how they would fare in an all-out naval battle, but as the queens on the chessboard of international politics, they have been without equal.

Well no, Nimitz was just the design that the admiralty came together and decided had all the qualities they wanted. She was better designed than Enterprise had been to exploit nuke power, while being more economical in the long-run compared to the Kittyhawk class. Problem is that the design is getting cramped with all the additions that are being added on and her reactors don’t have the power to support some of the stuff coming down the pipe. So the Ford is meant to incorporate all the latest tech while having room to grow.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 31, 2016 • 8:51:38pm
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Anymouse  Oct 31, 2016 • 8:51:38pm

re: #401 thedopefishlives

We give out candy alternates. Unlike the hippie houses that give out crappy alternatives, though, we have cool toys and soda pop for the older kids/teenagers.

No hippies here except for me.

arkansasmatters.com

On the person shot outside the Clinton Presidential Library, my wife and I were there a couple years ago. The library is quite amazing.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 31, 2016 • 8:53:09pm
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goddamnedfrank  Oct 31, 2016 • 8:54:02pm

re: #451 Stanley Sea

Putin’s last stand I guess

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Then factor in that Russia has to spread that GDP out over much more population, has to patrol ten times as much land border, has far less economic diversity, less per capita employment by way of manufacturing & finished goods, can’t feed itself, has a negative credit rating outlook and is actively engaged in expensive military actions in Ukraine & Syria that maintain crippling trade sanctions against it.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 31, 2016 • 8:54:20pm

re: #485 Backwoods_Sleuth

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That’s not what a state party that thinks it’s going to win a state does. Makes me feel good. That said, gotta get Toomey out too.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Oct 31, 2016 • 8:55:12pm

re: #486 goddamnedfrank

Yeah.

I’m just hoping all of you are right about the election.

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teleskiguy  Oct 31, 2016 • 8:55:52pm

What. A. Creep.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 31, 2016 • 8:56:55pm

re: #489 teleskiguy

What. A. Creep.

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He really is. Got a very uh vivid fantasy life to say the least.

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Charles Johnson  Oct 31, 2016 • 8:58:35pm
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thedopefishlives  Oct 31, 2016 • 8:58:54pm

re: #482 Targetpractice

Well no, Nimitz was just the design that the admiralty came together and decided had all the qualities they wanted. She was better designed than Enterprise has been to exploit nuke power, while being more economical in the long-run compared to the Kittyhawk class. Problem is that the design is getting cramped with all the additions that are being added on and her reactors don’t have the power to support some of the stuff coming down the pipe. So the Ford is meant to incorporate all the latest tech while having room to grow.

Like point defense lasers. Can I just admit that I’m actually excited about the idea of an American aircraft carrier sporting point defense lasers? How awesome is that?

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William Lewis  Oct 31, 2016 • 9:02:40pm

re: #482 Targetpractice

Well no, Nimitz was just the design that the admiralty came together and decided had all the qualities they wanted. She was better designed than Enterprise had been to exploit nuke power, while being more economical in the long-run compared to the Kittyhawk class. Problem is that the design is getting cramped with all the additions that are being added on and her reactors don’t have the power to support some of the stuff coming down the pipe. So the Ford is meant to incorporate all the latest tech while having room to grow.

Which is reasonable but also why we should only have a fleet of 6 - one each in the atlantic & pacific, one each in maintenance for east/west and one each in workup east/west. The rest can all make good reefs somewhere in the process of testing how well modern carriers withstand modern weapons.

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teleskiguy  Oct 31, 2016 • 9:05:50pm

Even Steve Sailer wants nothing to do with UpChuck, he’s that toxic.

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Belafon  Oct 31, 2016 • 9:06:18pm

re: #482 Targetpractice

Well no, Nimitz was just the design that the admiralty came together and decided had all the qualities they wanted. She was better designed than Enterprise had been to exploit nuke power, while being more economical in the long-run compared to the Kittyhawk class. Problem is that the design is getting cramped with all the additions that are being added on and her reactors don’t have the power to support some of the stuff coming down the pipe. So the Ford is meant to incorporate all the latest tech while having room to grow.

I was on the John C. Stennis in he 90s. When it came time to connect two of the 400MHz systems together, we watched some blinking light and closed the breaker by hand when we thought they were close to in sync.

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The Ghost of a Flea  Oct 31, 2016 • 9:06:23pm

re: #449 goddamnedfrank

Welp.

If you read a story about a Kentuckian man who set himself on fire, committed seppuku, and jumped off a cliff…you know what set me off.

My suicide note will simply read, “…The Aristocrats!”

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freetoken  Oct 31, 2016 • 9:06:29pm

re: #472 thedopefishlives

Or, for example, the Nimitz class (why are we “upgrading” to the Ford-class again?), which has been in existence since the discovery of practical nuclear sea power. Granted, we never had a chance to find out how they would fare in an all-out naval battle, but as the queens on the chessboard of international politics, they have been without equal.

There are several long term problems with ship procurements.

For one thing, they are very long-life, huge expense items. There is no way around that.

The carrier problem had as one of its instigators the nuclear power problem. Namely, can a ship be run with less power consumption. The nuclear power program of the USN is a large budget item. Reducing size and cost is important. And also to that end is a small ship’s complement. Trimming down the size of the onboard population can make the ship lighter and give more room for “stuff” instead of people.

The Zumwalt compromise was done to satisfy the needs of 21st century reality of guided missiles. The bottom line is it is impossible to truly hide a surface ship in the era of satellites, but the best one can do is try to keep onself form being an easy target from SSM and ASM.

The littoral Navy always had the difficult challenge of landing soldiers without getting sunk. Outside of nuclear warfare it is probably the most difficult type of mission. I’ve always thought that mine warfare is the achilles heel of the modern Navy. We have not fought a naval war since WWII that really would challenge us in this regard. Instead we do force projection (hence the need for aircraft carriers and subs that can launch cruise missiles.) If there is ever a future war where we call on our Navy to fight in the shallow water I fear the losses will be almost certainly large and perhaps total.

The bottom line is that in the 21st century the idea of a naval war perhaps is outdated. But we still need a navy, because ownership of the seas is still strategically so important that we pretend we want a huge Navy.

Regardless of any design or project decisions, this is a major national investment, like all our military budget, which is huge, and shapes our society deeply.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 31, 2016 • 9:06:35pm

re: #494 teleskiguy

Even Steve Sailer wants nothing to do with UpChuck, he’s that toxic.

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If we see him like this on Twitter drunk, I can’t imagine how he is in person.

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teleskiguy  Oct 31, 2016 • 9:07:24pm
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Pawn of the Oppressor  Oct 31, 2016 • 9:07:43pm

re: #492 thedopefishlives

I somehow ended up reading about Backfire bombers the other day, and it made me wonder about the AS-4 missile… Turns out the bogeyman of Red Storm Rising scenarios is still in their arsenal.

A missile as big as a telephone pole with a metric ton of explosives aboard, popped up to 130K feet and then driven to mile-per-second speeds by a red fuming nitric acid powered rocket, to rain down on your enemies? It’s like Hitler’s ultimate fantasy weapon.

I thought, surely we came up with an effective counter-measure for this thing decades ago, but if I was on a carrier, I wouldn’t mind having frickin’ lasers for backup against such a device.

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Stanley Sea  Oct 31, 2016 • 9:08:01pm

re: #471 Charles Johnson

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If anything, this might stop Melania’s bullshit forced speech on Thurs.

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goddamnedfrank  Oct 31, 2016 • 9:08:55pm

Another weakness of Putin’s Russia that doesn’t get enough attention is the way his crackdown on homosexuality makes it so much easier for Western powers to recruit spies within his government. This was something the Soviet Union used to do in the past, and was the nominal (terrible, self reinforcing) reason for Eisenhower’s executive order banning gays serving in government. The arc of social progress in the West isn’t just about fulfilling the promise of the civil rights era for the last subgroups it was acceptable to discriminate against, although that’s the strongest argument for marriage and sexual equality. There’s also an argument that getting rid of the closet, or at least any need to be in it, is a basic requirement for a properly functioning national security apparatus, because it eliminates a primary vector for blackmail.

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Pawn of the Oppressor  Oct 31, 2016 • 9:10:18pm

re: #499 teleskiguy

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They don’t want him. LOL.

“Hey guys, let’s go hang some n*!”

“Eyeholes go in front, dumbass.”
“Jesus, who invited this guy?”

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 31, 2016 • 9:10:21pm

meanwhile over on FB:

guessing he’s been drinking all day.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 31, 2016 • 9:11:24pm

re: #502 goddamnedfrank

Another weakness of Putin’s Russia that doesn’t get enough attention is the way his crackdown on homosexuality makes it so much easier for Western powers to recruit spies within his government. This was something the Soviet Union used to do in the past, and was the nominal (terrible, self reinforcing) reason for Eisenhower’s executive order banning gays serving in government. The arc of social progress in the West isn’t just about fulfilling the promise of the civil rights era for the last subgroups it was acceptable to discriminate against, although that’s the strongest argument for marriage and sexual equality. There’s also an argument that getting rid of the closet, or at least any need to be in it, is a basic requirement for a properly functioning national security apparatus, because it eliminates a primary vector for blackmail.

I believe one of the Cambridge 5 was gay and the Soviets used his sexuality to blackmail him. I know you’re talking about Eisenhower’s EO and the Cambridge 5 were Brits but it speaks to what you’re talking about with the West being more accepting of gays in general.

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Belafon  Oct 31, 2016 • 9:11:37pm

re: #497 freetoken

If you don’t think a Navy is important, then how do you why China doesn’t like us being over there but the Koreans and Japanese do (and I don’t mean in port, but patrolling).

Edit: that’s a royal you.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 31, 2016 • 9:12:22pm

re: #504 Backwoods_Sleuth

meanwhile over on FB:

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guessing he’s been drinking all day.

Even if she agrees with a lot of his views, one would think his wife would be tired of spending teh day drunk on social media.

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goddamnedfrank  Oct 31, 2016 • 9:13:05pm

re: #502 goddamnedfrank

I think this is why we’re seeing so much in the way of hacking intel released via Wikileaks, because Russia is desperate to weaponize and leverage what is essentially very weak intel in the grand scheme of things. This may actually be the best they can get, and the reason you don’t see us releasing our own data on Russia is because it’s of FAR more strategic value, with the methods by which it is being gathered penetrating so much deeper into Moscow’s internal structure.

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teleskiguy  Oct 31, 2016 • 9:13:16pm

re: #504 Backwoods_Sleuth

meanwhile over on FB:

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guessing he’s been drinking all day.

He started drinking the moment he finished Olivia Nuzzi’s piece, so yeah, all freaking day.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Oct 31, 2016 • 9:16:46pm

Thank you all for helping a relieve a bit of my anxiety, but I still feel very scared.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Oct 31, 2016 • 9:20:04pm

My appetite has fallen, along with my weight, which is now 170. There are other things too.

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freetoken  Oct 31, 2016 • 9:20:06pm

re: #506 Belafon

If you don’t think a Navy is important, then how do you why China doesn’t like us being over there but the Koreans and Japanese do (and I don’t mean in port, but patrolling).

As I noted, what we do today is force projection. That’s one reason why we build giant ships, not just to launch aircraft but to be, frankly, intimidating.

So when we show the flag in the South China Sea, it is to reaffirm to Japan and South Korea (and to the Philippines, but they don’t seem to be so wanting anymore) that we are committed to them.

The Chinese have no long history of modern naval warfare. They’ve never been tested in a naval warfare scenario. They are building ships for the same reason we do - national pride and to project power.

Substantial portion of the world’s economy still runs because of global shipping. This is vital to China, as theirs is an export economy. But to protect a commercial ship against pirates takes only a minor presence and a small cutter is more than sufficient for the task.

So the big ships are built as, well, boasting. A way to play “mine is bigger than yours” with big gray boats.

We show the flag with the implication that there is more than the single ship flying that flag available to meet our ends. In this way having a US ship presented forward in a potentially hostile situation makes those sailors onboard our line-in-the-sand. We’re saying if you kill them, you will face our entire capability, including our nuclear arsenal.

So the USN is often a tool of diplomacy. Gun boat diplomacy is real. Today it is effective not because of the (relatively small) guns physically situated on the boat, but because of meaning of the boat.

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Reality Based Steve  Oct 31, 2016 • 9:23:50pm

re: #497 freetoken

There are several long term problems with ship procurements.

For one thing, they are very long-life, huge expense items. There is no way around that.

The carrier problem had as one of its instigators the nuclear power problem. Namely, can a ship be run with less power consumption. The nuclear power program of the USN is a large budget item. Reducing size and cost is important. And also to that end is a small ship’s complement. Trimming down the size of the onboard population can make the ship lighter and give more room for “stuff” instead of people.

The Zumwalt compromise was done to satisfy the needs of 21st century reality of guided missiles. The bottom line is it is impossible to truly hide a surface ship in the era of satellites, but the best one can do is try to keep onself form being an easy target from SSM and ASM.

The littoral Navy always had the difficult challenge of landing soldiers without getting sunk. Outside of nuclear warfare it is probably the most difficult type of mission. I’ve always thought that mine warfare is the achilles heel of the modern Navy. We have not fought a naval war since WWII that really would challenge us in this regard. Instead we do force projection (hence the need for aircraft carriers and subs that can launch cruise missiles.) If there is ever a future war where we call on our Navy to fight in the shallow water I fear the losses will be almost certainly large and perhaps total.

The bottom line is that in the 21st century the idea of a naval war perhaps is outdated. But we still need a navy, because ownership of the seas is still strategically so important that we pretend we want a huge Navy.

Regardless of any design or project decisions, this is a major national investment, like all our military budget, which is huge, and shapes our society deeply.

I was reading an article on Naval Mine Warfare, and it’s one of the ways that a small country with seacoast can effectively impact a much larger countries military resources. Mines are a simple, inexpensive and difficult to defeat tool that can cripple or sink even a major vessel.

RBS

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retired cynic  Oct 31, 2016 • 9:26:48pm

re: #511 Ziggy_TARDIS

My appetite has fallen, along with my weight, which is now 170. There are other things too.

You should be getting your appetite back in a tad over a week.

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Anymouse  Oct 31, 2016 • 9:27:50pm

re: #506 Belafon

If you don’t think a Navy is important, then how do you why China doesn’t like us being over there but the Koreans and Japanese do (and I don’t mean in port, but patrolling).

I think a Navy is important (disclaimer, I was in the Navy for seventeen years).

The Army cannot get significant materiel to any combat zone without someone to transport them.

The Air Force is limited to land bases, which are a lot harder to hide than ships (and yes, you can hide ships from satellites - the Navy frequently practices that exact scenario, moving task forces under storm fronts and such).

A Navy vessel can go anywhere there is water, and roughly 90% of the world’s land surface can be struck from an aircraft carrier.

Note in WW2, it was the Navy that strangled the Japanese Empire’s trade. In Korea and Vietnam the Navy also provided land attack forces via air, and air cover for troops on the ground.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Oct 31, 2016 • 9:28:22pm

re: #514 retired cynic

I have also been getting so stressed that I throw up.

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Anymouse  Oct 31, 2016 • 9:30:16pm

re: #516 Ziggy_TARDIS

I have also been getting so stressed that I throw up.

You sure it isn’t Hallowe’en candy? /s

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retired cynic  Oct 31, 2016 • 9:32:10pm

re: #516 Ziggy_TARDIS

I have also been getting so stressed that I throw up.

I’m so sorry. I used to do that when I was your age. Now, unfortunately, stress makes me eat. :< I can’t tell you that will leave as you get older, but I hope it does.

Some of your (combinations of) meds might be causing nausea, too. Why don’t you ask your pharmacist about that?

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plansbandc  Oct 31, 2016 • 9:37:42pm

Good night all of you wonderful people who help me mostly stay off the ledge. I think you are brilliant. And on that rare occasion when I am traipsing on the edge of edges, y’all throw down some knowledge and serious sense.

Thank you thank you THANK YOU!

Thank you Charles. You do indeed rock.

Night

520
Joe Bacon  Oct 31, 2016 • 9:44:49pm

re: #455 Charles Johnson

Reported Ginger Snapped. Let’s see how long he continues to Twit…

521
Feline Fearless Leader  Oct 31, 2016 • 9:46:47pm

re: #407 Teukka

Or maybe they know, and Chuckles is just a way to raise the noise floor to mask the real activity…

So if Trump gets caught out they might have to go to the Rage Furby to carry out the actual espionage operation?

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mmmirele  Oct 31, 2016 • 9:47:06pm

re: #516 Ziggy_TARDIS

I have also been getting so stressed that I throw up.

Oh dude, I have so been there. Please make sure you’re getting all the help you can. *shudder* I hate throwing up due to nerves.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Oct 31, 2016 • 10:23:02pm

re: #507 HappyWarrior

Even if she agrees with a lot of his views, one would think his wife would be tired of spending teh day drunk on social media.

Actually, she may prefer it. Keeps him out of her hair.

Also, HAW has a real job, so she’s out of the house while he’s drunk tweeting and facebooking.

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sagehen  Nov 1, 2016 • 1:25:31am

re: #510 Ziggy_TARDIS

Thank you all for helping a relieve a bit of my anxiety, but I still feel very scared.

Have you tried exercise? A good endorphin rush provides hours of relief.

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Nyet  Nov 1, 2016 • 2:11:26am

re: #343 Backwoods_Sleuth

That’s what happens when twitterers don’t “read” irony.

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Nyet  Nov 1, 2016 • 2:18:08am

re: #404 Shiplord Kirel

I doubt it, but he did threaten to take Putin’s money.


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