The Bob & Chez Show: Puppy Dogs

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Today’s program from our podcasting affiliate, The Bob & Chez Show:

Puppy Dogs: Five Days to Go; Some good polling news for Hillary; Bob’s Twitter fight over stupid crap; Congratulations to Cubs fans; A show exclusive about Hillary’s ground game; The left is turning against Nate Silver; Trump attacking NBC’s Katy Tur; Kellyanne Conway flummoxed; Trump struggles to stay on message; and more.

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gocart mozart  Nov 3, 2016 • 1:24:56pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 3, 2016 • 1:28:35pm
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piratedan  Nov 3, 2016 • 1:29:54pm

re: #2 Backwoods_Sleuth

Trump’s still pretty insecure about his German pronunciation it seems….

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Sir John Barron  Nov 3, 2016 • 1:30:38pm

re: #2 Backwoods_Sleuth

Trump jumps the gun in Concord, NC, by beginning 15 mins early so he can get out all the words he doesn’t want them recording. Hmm.


— B (@aanonymousB)

He’s already said he grabs woman by the pu**y. What else can he say?

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Sir John Barron  Nov 3, 2016 • 1:31:08pm

re: #2 Backwoods_Sleuth

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If you whine that the media is biased against you, wouldn’t you want them to cover you to correct the bias?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 3, 2016 • 1:32:00pm

funny thing CL noticed about this picture downstairs.
Donald wears glasses!

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Skip Intro  Nov 3, 2016 • 1:36:30pm
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Shiplord Kirel  Nov 3, 2016 • 1:37:32pm

Arkancide in Indy!

2 killed in fiery crash near downtown Indy (Former FBI Agent)(Freeper re-post)

The dead passenger was a former FBI agent, one Kevin McCarthy. The car was a Tesla. It was speeding and hit a tree. Eyewitnesses reported it was going fast enough that pieces of the wreckage were found 150 yards away.

Even so, this is enough to over-clock the freeper conspiracy radar:

“Wonder if it was hacked.”

“HILLARY: ‘ONE WAY OR ANOTHER…we are going to stop these investigations!’”

“‘Doesn’t look like it was in autopilot mode.’

Doesn’t rule out it being in remotely piloted mode…”

“Net rumors about the Rolling Stone reporter who was about to break a big story… then drove his car into a post…then it exploded.

There’s net videos. It’s possible to take over a car with the right technology (hack into it) and steer it, speed up.”

“Just checked their site. Extremely hackable: Model S periodically receives over the air software updates that add new features and refresh the touchscreen look and feel.”

(And, of course, the smoking gun)”Soros recently bailed out Musk:

dailycaller.com

Just a FYI…”

These are the same people who believe the Russian troll farms are a lib fantasy and rt.com is a reputable source.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 3, 2016 • 1:39:30pm

good grief (Joel is a a breitbrat)

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Sir John Barron  Nov 3, 2016 • 1:41:35pm

re: #6 Backwoods_Sleuth

Watching my beautiful wife, wife number 3, Melania, speak about our love of country and my current family not counting my still living ex-wives. We will make you all very proud. Instagram

Watching my beautiful wife, Melania, speak about our love of country and family. We will make you all very proud.

pic.twitter.com
— Donald J. Trump

added

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The Vicious Babushka  Nov 3, 2016 • 1:41:37pm
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Sir John Barron  Nov 3, 2016 • 1:42:42pm

re: #9 Backwoods_Sleuth

good grief (Joel is a a breitbrat)

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Who is this troubled heart?

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Skip Intro  Nov 3, 2016 • 1:43:19pm

This should help balance things out.

Conservative commentator Tucker Carlson is getting a nightly show on Fox News Channel

latimes.com

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Shiplord Kirel  Nov 3, 2016 • 1:43:33pm

re: #9 Backwoods_Sleuth

good grief (Joel is a a breitbrat)

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I would guess that the chap in the picture has very little first hand knowledge of the crudely referenced body part.

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gocart mozart  Nov 3, 2016 • 1:43:34pm
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Sir John Barron  Nov 3, 2016 • 1:44:25pm

re: #13 Skip Intro

This should help balance things out.

Conservative commentator Tucker Carlson is getting a nightly show on Fox News Channel

latimes.com

Fox News needs more shows hosted by conservative commentators.

//

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Dr. Matt  Nov 3, 2016 • 1:44:58pm

re: #10 Sir John Barron

added

Deplorables: “See! He’s just like the rest of us! An ordinary everyday guy! ….with a private jet fitted with leather seats and 83 inch flat-screen! MAGA!”

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FormerDirtDart  Nov 3, 2016 • 1:45:01pm
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Lidane  Nov 3, 2016 • 1:45:20pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 3, 2016 • 1:46:43pm

O_o

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Sir John Barron  Nov 3, 2016 • 1:47:08pm

re: #19 Lidane

OK. This kicks ass:

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That’s a long wait. President Trump will have destroyed the country by then.

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KingKenrod  Nov 3, 2016 • 1:47:56pm
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gocart mozart  Nov 3, 2016 • 1:48:00pm
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thecommodore  Nov 3, 2016 • 1:48:34pm

I am officially freaking out again over the polls. According to 538, Hillary’s chances of winning have dropped from a post debates high of 90.9% to 64.1%, and according to 538’s state polling, she has 272 electoral votes, with New Hampshire teetering.

If New Hampshire goes red, Trump is winning.

We are this close to have collectively lost our minds.

projects.fivethirtyeight.com

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 3, 2016 • 1:48:48pm
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Sir John Barron  Nov 3, 2016 • 1:49:40pm

re: #23 gocart mozart

BREAKING: Eric Trump: David Duke ‘deserves a bullet’ cnn.com
— andrew kaczynski

What brought this on I wonder?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 3, 2016 • 1:50:06pm
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Shiplord Kirel  Nov 3, 2016 • 1:50:11pm

re: #23 gocart mozart

BREAKING: Eric Trump: David Duke ‘deserves a bullet’

So, who will the crocodile eat first? Duke and the alt-right or Jill and the moonbats?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 3, 2016 • 1:50:51pm

re: #26 Sir John Barron

What brought this on I wonder?

probably Duke’s epic meltdown about the Jews during last night’s Louisiana senate candidates debate.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 3, 2016 • 1:51:29pm

re: #29 Backwoods_Sleuth

probably Duke’s epic meltdown about the Jews during last night’s Louisiana senate candidates debate.

said meltdown included Duke’s profession of undying loyalty to Trump.

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Sir John Barron  Nov 3, 2016 • 1:53:57pm

re: #24 thecommodore

I am officially freaking out again over the polls. According to 538, Hillary’s chances of winning have dropped from a post debates high of 90.9% to 64.1%, and according to 538’s state polling, she has 272 electoral votes, with New Hampshire teetering.

If New Hampshire goes red, Trump is winning.

We are this close to have collectively lost our minds.

projects.fivethirtyeight.com

Ugh.

PEC has HRC still at 313 EV.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 3, 2016 • 1:56:11pm

re: #12 Sir John Barron

Who is this troubled heart?

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John Carter  Nov 3, 2016 • 1:56:29pm

re: #24 thecommodore

I am officially freaking out again over the polls. According to 538, Hillary’s chances of winning have dropped from a post debates high of 90.9% to 64.1%, and according to 538’s state polling, she has 272 electoral votes, with New Hampshire teetering.

If New Hampshire goes red, Trump is winning.

We are this close to have collectively lost our minds.

projects.fivethirtyeight.com

Every other aggregator has her in the 90’s and even Silver has her winning.

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Belafon  Nov 3, 2016 • 1:56:33pm

re: #24 thecommodore

Which is odd since Wang gives Clinton a 99+% chance.

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Sir John Barron  Nov 3, 2016 • 1:56:49pm

re: #32 Backwoods_Sleuth

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I meant Pollack. His name’s familiar but don’t recall which wingnut welfare outfit he feasts from.

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thecommodore  Nov 3, 2016 • 1:58:46pm

re: #31 Sir John Barron

Ugh.

PEC has HRC still at 313 EV.

The Cook Report still shows Clinton with a decent lead as well.

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MsJ  Nov 3, 2016 • 1:59:49pm

re: #33 John Carter

Every other aggregator has her in the 90’s and even Silver has her winning.

I get daily emails OMG! NATE SILVER FREAKING OUT! from democrats (at every level). Every. Damn. Day.

I have no idea if he is right or not, we will know on Tuesday, but it has me freaking the fuck out. I can only hope he is wrong.

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The Vicious Babushka  Nov 3, 2016 • 2:00:04pm

re: #19 Lidane

OK. This kicks ass:

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Video

For some reason I always thought of WW’s origin during WW2, why did they put her in WW1? So she won’t be confused with the Marvel Universe & Hydra?

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Pawn of the Oppressor  Nov 3, 2016 • 2:00:24pm

re: #9 Backwoods_Sleuth

He looks like the only p he’s ever seen was in a “Girls Gone Wild” video… IOW, typical Dumplet.

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dangerman  Nov 3, 2016 • 2:01:30pm

re: #24 thecommodore

I am officially freaking out again over the polls. According to 538, Hillary’s chances of winning have dropped from a post debates high of 90.9% to 64.1%, and according to 538’s state polling, she has 272 electoral votes, with New Hampshire teetering.

If New Hampshire goes red, Trump is winning.

We are this close to have collectively lost our minds.

projects.fivethirtyeight.com

electoral-vote.com:

hrc: 317
dt: 221

clinton has NEVER been below 275

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Nov 3, 2016 • 2:01:35pm

re: #33 John Carter

Their are 2 polls causing this. One I talked about last night. The other is ARG.

ARG was 2ay off last time. Exceptionally so. One state, they had Romney winning by 2. Obama got it by 6.

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Sir John Barron  Nov 3, 2016 • 2:01:38pm

re: #24 thecommodore

I am officially freaking out again over the polls. According to 538, Hillary’s chances of winning have dropped from a post debates high of 90.9% to 64.1%, and according to 538’s state polling, she has 272 electoral votes, with New Hampshire teetering.

If New Hampshire goes red, Trump is winning.

We are this close to have collectively lost our minds.

projects.fivethirtyeight.com

Which is why it’s important for Bernie to spend some time there this weekend. A visit by HRC wouldn’t hurt either. IMHO.

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thecommodore  Nov 3, 2016 • 2:02:04pm

re: #34 Belafon

Which is odd since Wang gives Clinton a 99+% chance.

Nate has written about why 538 is the most “bullish” on Trump.
fivethirtyeight.com

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lawhawk  Nov 3, 2016 • 2:02:57pm

re: #34 Belafon

Which is odd since Wang gives Clinton a 99+% chance.

PEC (Wang’s outfit) has been consistent throughout, while Silver’s model is much more volatile. Every little butterfly flap causes a shift in the model.

Reality is not nearly as volatile as this, and given that millions of people have already voted and we can glean some information from those votes, I’d suggest that the election still isn’t in doubt and hasn’t been. Clinton’s been leading all along, and this last minute perturbation isn’t anything but noise (and Silver should note that this is what’s happening in his after-action report).

That 538 shows Clinton with at least 292 delegates, which is more than a comfortable win (it should be 400+ but that’s too much to ask for when the GOP continues its voter suppression efforts in states they control - and they control 30/50 of them).

PEC shows a much bigger margin of victory, as do others like Upshot and Huffpo.

The reality is that Trump isn’t leading and hasn’t led - and there’s no evidence suggesting that he’s leading, particularly when you go state by state (which is how the EVs are actually counted).

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ObserverArt  Nov 3, 2016 • 2:04:13pm

re: #2 Backwoods_Sleuth

Candace Smith ✔ @CandaceSmith_
For the second time this campaign cycle, @realDonaldTrump has started a campaign rally without his traveling press. We are 10 min out
3:56 PM - 3 Nov 2016

Damn press are gluttons for Trump punishment. But they will be on to the next event and all their reporting will be picked up by their stations, papers, etc. and twisted to make it all seem like Trump is legit. Our media has no self respect. Beat us again Donald…oh how we love it.

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Skip Intro  Nov 3, 2016 • 2:04:17pm

re: #31 Sir John Barron

Ugh.

PEC has HRC still at 313 EV.

It’s going to end up like WS game 7, except the stakes are huge.

Trump losing a close race guarantees he’ll pull out all the stops to overturn the election and completely de-legitimatize Hillary’s win to tens of millions of Americans.

I still can’t believe so many people are stupid enough to vote for this malignant narcissist, but I’m afraid I’m going to be proven wrong.

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CuriousLurker  Nov 3, 2016 • 2:04:24pm

re: #6 Backwoods_Sleuth

funny thing CL noticed about this picture downstairs.
Donald wears glasses!

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Maybe that’s why he’s always squinting à la Clint Eastwood.

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lawhawk  Nov 3, 2016 • 2:04:35pm

re: #38 The Vicious Babushka

For some reason I always thought of WW’s origin during WW2, why did they put her in WW1? So she won’t be confused with the Marvel Universe & Hydra?

They made the conscious decision to change the origin story to WWI - and it may have been to separate itself from MCU and Hydra.

I just have to wonder if the best parts of the movie were in the trailer (see Suicide Squad). For whatever reason, DC can’t get their movie tone right - and a lot of that fault rests on Zach Snyder.

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The Vicious Babushka  Nov 3, 2016 • 2:04:46pm

Trump projecting like an IMAX, again==>

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Skip Intro  Nov 3, 2016 • 2:05:13pm

re: #35 Sir John Barron

I meant Pollack. His name’s familiar but don’t recall which wingnut welfare outfit he feasts from.

Breitbart. He and Baby Whiplash were best buds back in the day.

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Lidane  Nov 3, 2016 • 2:07:59pm

re: #38 The Vicious Babushka

For some reason I always thought of WW’s origin during WW2, why did they put her in WW1? So she won’t be confused with the Marvel Universe & Hydra?

Most likely. If they had her origin story during WW2 the movie would be immediately compared to the first Captain America film.

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dangerman  Nov 3, 2016 • 2:08:05pm

re: #46 Skip Intro

It’s going to end up like WS game 7, except the stakes are huge.

Trump losing a close race guarantees he’ll pull out all the stops to overturn the election and completely de-legitimatize Hillary’s win to tens of millions of Americans.

I still can’t believe so many people are stupid enough to vote for this malignant narcissist, but I’m afraid I’m going to be proven wrong.

if the polls are accurate predictors, it will not be close electorally.

in december the electors will do their job

agreed: I still can’t believe so many people are stupid enough to vote for this malignant narcissist

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 3, 2016 • 2:08:54pm

re: #35 Sir John Barron

I meant Pollack. His name’s familiar but don’t recall which wingnut welfare outfit he feasts from.

oh, he’s some sort of once in a while editor at Breitbart.

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The Vicious Babushka  Nov 3, 2016 • 2:10:31pm

re: #51 Lidane

Most likely. If they had her origin story during WW2 the movie would be immediately compared to the first Captain America film.

People would be asking why she doesn’t appear in any of the Marvel films.

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gwangung  Nov 3, 2016 • 2:13:53pm

re: #51 Lidane

Most likely. If they had her origin story during WW2 the movie would be immediately compared to the first Captain America film.

Also, there is less of an existential good vs. evil cast to WWI…it makes the anti-war aspects of Wonder Woman stand out a bit. I mean, Nazis….you’re pretty much forced to take up arms against Nazis in any modern story….

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 3, 2016 • 2:14:52pm

re: #47 CuriousLurker

Maybe that’s why he’s always squinting à la Clint Eastwood.

I figured that’s why he goes off Teleprompter so much. Also, if you ever see the notes he holds at the podium, the words are printed in letters big enough to be screaming tabloid headlines.

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ObserverArt  Nov 3, 2016 • 2:16:51pm

re: #26 Sir John Barron

What brought this on I wonder?

Trying to disassociate Trump from Duke. But he’s all yours. You have the KKK fleas all over you now.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 3, 2016 • 2:17:11pm
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thecommodore  Nov 3, 2016 • 2:17:39pm

re: #46 Skip Intro

It’s going to end up like WS game 7, except the stakes are huge.

Trump losing a close race guarantees he’ll pull out all the stops to overturn the election and completely de-legitimatize Hillary’s win to tens of millions of Americans.

I still can’t believe so many people are stupid enough to vote for this malignant narcissist, but I’m afraid I’m going to be proven wrong.

John Edwards’ run in 2008 (and eventually his career) was ruined by his affair.

Rick Perry couldn’t name three departments he would abolish and his campaign was finished.

Howard Dean screamed and that was it for him.

Muskie cried….

The entire Democratic campaign in 1972 was a mess from start to finish…

Yet Trump - to name just three things among too many to mention - brags about committing sexual asault, successfully dismisses is as “locker room talk,” and after three worse than terrible debate performances is only down by two electoral votes four days before the election.

He is the worst presidential candidate of my lifetime, if not the entire history of the United States, and he could actually win this election.

Think about that.

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Sir John Barron  Nov 3, 2016 • 2:19:47pm

re: #34 Belafon

Which is odd since Wang gives Clinton a 99+% chance.

I’ll admit I’m not 99% confident. That seems really optimistic given most of the polls I’ve seen have narrowed.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 3, 2016 • 2:19:57pm

Dallas Woodhouse, the executive director of the North Carolina Republican Party, was on MSNBC Thursday defending emails he’d sent about early voting in the state, but he quickly changed the subject. Woodhouse said that there was no “suppression vote problem in North Carolina” but that Democrats had a “depression problem.”

“You know why? It’s very simple their candidate - if elected-could have these on Inauguration Day,” Woodhouse said holding up the pair of handcuffs.

“You’re bringing props for our show here, Dallas?” MSNBC host Hallie Jackson asked. “Is this the kind of rhetoric you want to be saying five days out from an election?”

“You know she is accused of misdeeds with her emails, she is accused of problems with the Clinton Foundation. People in America don’t trust her. That’s why Democrats have a depression problem,” Woodhouse said.

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Sir John Barron  Nov 3, 2016 • 2:22:05pm

re: #61 Backwoods_Sleuth

“You know why? It’s very simple their candidate - if elected-could have these on Inauguration Day,” Woodhouse said holding up the pair of handcuffs.

“You’re bringing props for our show here, Dallas?” MSNBC host Hallie Jackson asked. “Is this the kind of rhetoric you want to be saying five days out from an election?”

These people are really way worse than deplorable.

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FormerDirtDart  Nov 3, 2016 • 2:23:13pm

re: #61 Backwoods_Sleuth

NC Republican leader pulls out handcuffs on national TV and says Clinton could be wearing them by Inauguration Day

Prop comics really are the worst…

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piratedan  Nov 3, 2016 • 2:23:59pm

re: #61 Backwoods_Sleuth

Just once, I would like to see one of these media folks, who are supposedly informed, Go ahead and simply call out this bullshit for what it is. She’s not going to be indicted because she hasn’t done anything wrong. You guys have been using taxpayer dollars for the last two years and you’ve still not found anything.

Really, with discourse like this, why the fuck would you want him back on your show?

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MsJ  Nov 3, 2016 • 2:24:44pm

Y’all need to RT this.

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CuriousLurker  Nov 3, 2016 • 2:25:28pm

Okay, gloom & doom hour. I’m out.

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ObserverArt  Nov 3, 2016 • 2:25:35pm

re: #61 Backwoods_Sleuth

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But they let him go right? They probably didn’t cut the camera on him and then go to a commercial and ask him to take a hike.

Why? Good TV.

I’m cynical enough from the crap that has gone on in this election to think MSNBC might have even been aware it would be done. At least they knew he was a rat fucker and could pull a stunt so let’s have him on.

Why? Good TV.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 3, 2016 • 2:26:46pm

and this one, *eyeroll*:
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makeitstop  Nov 3, 2016 • 2:29:49pm

re: #66 CuriousLurker

Okay, gloom & doom hour. I’m out.

Started later today. I thought we were gonna get a day without a poll freakout. Silly me.

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Skip Intro  Nov 3, 2016 • 2:31:27pm

re: #59 thecommodore

Trump is the worst candidate in US history. In earlier days his actions and words would have ended up with him being shot in a duel.

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ObserverArt  Nov 3, 2016 • 2:31:36pm

re: #69 makeitstop

Started later today. I thought we were gonna get a day without a poll freakout. Silly me.

Shirley you jest!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 3, 2016 • 2:33:43pm
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Skip Intro  Nov 3, 2016 • 2:34:02pm

re: #61 Backwoods_Sleuth

Apparently MSNBC will let any Republican asshole have airtime, no matter how vile. Makes me wonder why they haven’t had David Duke on.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 3, 2016 • 2:34:23pm

re: #73 Skip Intro

Apparently MSNBC will let any Republican asshole have airtime, no matter how vile. Makes me wonder why they haven’t had David Duke on.

There is still time.

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Skip Intro  Nov 3, 2016 • 2:35:39pm

re: #74 Backwoods_Sleuth

There is still time.

I have no problem imaging him as a guest with Tweety and Hugh Hewett.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 3, 2016 • 2:36:05pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 3, 2016 • 2:37:24pm
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dangerman  Nov 3, 2016 • 2:38:10pm

re: #61 Backwoods_Sleuth

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“misdeeds and problems”, so havent found anything criminal after 30 years of looking

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EPR-radar  Nov 3, 2016 • 2:39:02pm

re: #75 Skip Intro

I have no problem imaging him as a guest with Tweety and Hugh Hewett.

Hewitt: “Tell me more of this ‘final solution’ proposal.”

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ObserverArt  Nov 3, 2016 • 2:39:30pm

re: #75 Skip Intro

I have no problem imaging him as a guest with Tweety and Hugh Hewett.

And Tweety would say that isn’t his cup of tea and then go on about how it is good politics and then reminisce about someone that was just like that back in the day.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 3, 2016 • 2:40:00pm

re: #23 gocart mozart

BREAKING: Eric Trump: David Duke ‘deserves a bullet’

Will you cut off his dangly bits and pose for a photo with them afterwards?

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MsJ  Nov 3, 2016 • 2:40:09pm

re: #73 Skip Intro

Apparently MSNBC will let any Republican asshole have airtime, no matter how vile. Makes me wonder why they haven’t had David Duke on.

When I was driving back to Chicago in my new car, not being used to the satellite radio settings, I thought for sure it was on Fox. It was all email all day, all republican guests. Every time I had it on, which wasn’t that long. I opted to listen to Hamilton instead.

There is no left media. There is only the fear of being called left media.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 3, 2016 • 2:41:13pm
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scottslemmons  Nov 3, 2016 • 2:41:51pm

re: #23 gocart mozart

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Duke is probably going to be the next GOP nominee.

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ObserverArt  Nov 3, 2016 • 2:42:10pm

re: #82 MsJ

When I was driving back to Chicago in my new car, not being used to the satellite radio settings, I thought for sure it was on Fox. It was all email all day, all republican guests. Every time I had it on, which wasn’t that long. I opted to listen to Hamilton instead.

There is no left media. There is only the fear of being called left media.

Comcast. Thank them. And you know what is sad, it probably has lifted their ratings. I can’t say for sure, because I don’t follow TV ratings trends.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 3, 2016 • 2:42:23pm
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Skip Intro  Nov 3, 2016 • 2:43:41pm

re: #13 Skip Intro

This should help balance things out.

Conservative commentator Tucker Carlson is getting a nightly show on Fox News Channel

latimes.com

LA Times readers are orgasiming about Tucker coming to Fox. He better have no libturd guests like that black terrorist Juan Williams though.

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CuriousLurker  Nov 3, 2016 • 2:47:19pm

ZOMG, had to come back to drop this off—too cuuuuute!

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blueraven  Nov 3, 2016 • 2:50:21pm

Just got home from early voting with my son at our local polling station. 3 (THREE!) f#$@&%! hours in line. So ridiculous. We only have today and tomorrow here in my little town for early voting. The line outside city hall was short, but once you got in it snaked around throughout the building. Every time I thought it was the end of the line there was another corridor and it all doubled back to the beginning of the line. By the time we got done it was storming like crazy, we had no umbrella and the car was parked a mile away. Dear son, ran for the car and came back to pick up his poor old mom. Still got soaked.

My husband voted yesterday at a mega polling station. Said it took ten minutes. Grrr.

Oh well. All done. Straight D ticket baby!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 3, 2016 • 2:51:50pm
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Lidane  Nov 3, 2016 • 2:53:22pm
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MsJ  Nov 3, 2016 • 2:53:38pm

re: #85 ObserverArt

Comcast. Thank them. And you know what is sad, it probably has lifted their ratings. I can’t say for sure, because I don’t follow TV ratings trends.

They recently started getting consistent better tastings than Fox, so, yup.

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KGxvi  Nov 3, 2016 • 2:53:41pm

Something to keep in mind about 538’s model - it’s based on polling, and there has been a metric shitton of polling in the last two weeks. That’s resulted in the model showing Nevada, North Carolina, and Florida to be coin flips, which is why the numbers have dropped.

But what I’ve noticed in most of the polls that I’ve read is that they aren’t including results from early voters - that’s something I distinctly remember from polls close to the election in 2008 and 2012. The sort of second hand information that we have - registration of those who have requested and returned absentee ballots; who has been going to the polls early; new registration numbers - tell us that Clinton has a really good ground game. Trump didn’t bother to build a ground game in the primaries and I have seen no evidence that he’s built one in the general. There’s real potential that Clinton will beat his poll numbers while Trump has never been able to beat his (and if you can’t beat 40% in a two person race, you’re not going to win).

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Lidane  Nov 3, 2016 • 2:55:01pm

“TRUMP IZ GONNA FIGHT TEH BIG BANKS & GLOBUL ELITES!”

*cough*

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ObserverArt  Nov 3, 2016 • 2:56:39pm

re: #89 blueraven

Just got home from early voting with my son at our local polling station. 3 (THREE!) f#$@&%! hours in line. So ridiculous. We only have today and tomorrow here in my little town for early voting. The line outside city hall was short, but once you got in it snaked around throughout the building. Every time I thought it was the end of the line there was another corridor and it all doubled back to the beginning of the line. By the time we got done it was storming like crazy, we had no umbrella and the car was parked a mile away. Dear son, ran for the car and came back to pick up his poor old mom. Still got soaked.

My husband voted yesterday at a mega polling station. Said it took ten minutes. Grrr.

Oh well. All done. Straight D ticket baby!

Sounds like Ohio in 2004.

Could you get a feel from the others in line which way they may be leaning?

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gwangung  Nov 3, 2016 • 2:56:40pm

re: #91 Lidane

Heard there was a ton of racist negativity about Beyonce….

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jaunte  Nov 3, 2016 • 2:57:42pm
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Stanley Sea  Nov 3, 2016 • 2:58:01pm

Received in the mail today!

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Lidane  Nov 3, 2016 • 2:58:18pm

re: #96 gwangung

Heard there was a ton of racist negativity about Beyonce….

Not surprising. Rednecks don’t like being reminded that a black woman is a highly successful artist.

Also, she performed with the Dixie Chicks, which was a gigantic fuck you to country radio. Heh.

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blueraven  Nov 3, 2016 • 2:59:07pm

Pete Williams reporting there was never an FBI “investigation” on the Clinton Foundation. There was an initial inquiry based on Peter Schweizer’s book Clinton Cash. Certainly no indictments or anything close to it.

Fox is pushing that bogus shit like a motherfucker.

I think Loretta Lynch needs to make a statement. This is totally out of hand.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 3, 2016 • 2:59:30pm

re: #97 jaunte

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How can they see the edges with those mountains blocking the view?

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gwangung  Nov 3, 2016 • 3:00:35pm

re: #99 Lidane

Not surprising. Rednecks don’t like being reminded that a black woman is a highly successful artist.

Also, she performed with the Dixie Chicks, which was a gigantic fuck you to country radio. Heh.

Hm. Reminds me….oughta go spring for another album or two….

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 3, 2016 • 3:01:02pm

re: #99 Lidane

Not surprising. Rednecks don’t like being reminded that a black woman is a highly successful artist.

Also, [Beyonce] performed with the Dixie Chicks, which was a gigantic fuck you to country radio. Heh.

Uppity women of all races, unite!!!

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KGxvi  Nov 3, 2016 • 3:02:21pm

re: #101 Backwoods_Sleuth

How can they see the edges with those mountains blocking the view?

I think I’ve mentioned before, some how some flat earth accounts ended up in my instagram explore tab. And despite my better judgment, I can’t help but tap through and then read their “arguments”. It is quite literally staring into the derpabyss.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 3, 2016 • 3:03:17pm
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MsJ  Nov 3, 2016 • 3:04:19pm

re: #92 MsJ

They recently started getting consistent better tastings than Fox, so, yup.

Tastings? Oh, autocorrect, you slay me. Ratings! Not even close. 🙄

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MsJ  Nov 3, 2016 • 3:06:28pm

re: #96 gwangung

Heard there was a ton of racist negativity about Beyonce….

Some is in that article. So amusing when righties bitch about the Dixie Chicks because what they said about Bush was a live poem compared to what everyone on the right says about Obama.

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EPR-radar  Nov 3, 2016 • 3:07:31pm

re: #100 blueraven

Pete Williams reporting there was never an FBI “investigation” on the Clinton Foundation. There was an initial inquiry based on Peter Schweizer’s book Clinton Cash. Certainly no indictments or anything close to it.

Fox is pushing that bogus shit like a motherfucker.

I think Loretta Lynch needs to make a statement. This is totally out of hand.

Let me see if I’m getting this straight: supposed professionals at the FBI are taking wingnut propaganda at face value? These same professionals are also leaking like a burst dam with every bit of anti-Clinton innuendo they can find or invent?

This is totally unacceptable.

I think a good start would be for DOJ to shut down the entire NYC FBI office that seems to be the source of this trouble, including firing all sufficiently senior people to be plausible sources for leaks. Comey should be sacked also, at least for having let this office go rogue.

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MsJ  Nov 3, 2016 • 3:07:49pm

re: #100 blueraven

Pete Williams reporting there was never an FBI “investigation” on the Clinton Foundation. There was an initial inquiry based on Peter Schweizer’s book Clinton Cash. Certainly no indictments or anything close to it.

Fox is pushing that bogus shit like a motherfucker.

I think Loretta Lynch needs to make a statement. This is totally out of hand.

Lynch is between a rock and a hard place.

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blueraven  Nov 3, 2016 • 3:08:27pm

re: #95 ObserverArt

Sounds like Ohio in 2004.

Could you get a feel from the others in line which way they may be leaning?

I live in very blue Travis county, but in the very conservative part outside Austin. There are a lot of retirees from all over the country living here…unlike me who has been here for over 30 years. I saw a few people I know but a lot more are newer to the area. So, hard to say, but I would suspect quite a few Trump voters.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 3, 2016 • 3:08:29pm

He’s just doubling, tripling down.
yowser…

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MsJ  Nov 3, 2016 • 3:10:03pm

re: #108 EPR-radar

Let me see if I’m getting this straight: supposed professionals at the FBI are taking wingnut propaganda at face value? These same professionals are also leaking like a burst dam with every bit of anti-Clinton innuendo they can find or invent?

This is totally unacceptable.

I think a good start would be for DOJ to shut down the entire NYC FBI office that seems to be the source of this trouble, including firing all sufficiently senior people to be plausible sources for leaks. Comey should be sacked also, at least for having let this office go rogue.

A politicized FBI. Not troubling at all.

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bratwurst  Nov 3, 2016 • 3:11:40pm

I will tune in just as soon as I am sure this paint is dry!

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No Depression  Nov 3, 2016 • 3:11:42pm

re: #99 Lidane

Not surprising. Rednecks don’t like being reminded that a black woman is a highly successful artist.

Also, she performed with the Dixie Chicks, which was a gigantic fuck you to country radio. Heh.

Country radio sucks. A big fuck you is well-deserved for that alone.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 3, 2016 • 3:12:56pm
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Belafon  Nov 3, 2016 • 3:13:23pm

re: #99 Lidane

Not surprising. Rednecks don’t like being reminded that a black woman is a highly successful artist.

Also, she performed with the Dixie Chicks, which was a gigantic fuck you to country radio. Heh.

I wonder if any of the other country stars will raise a fuss.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 3, 2016 • 3:13:54pm

jeebus

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Lidane  Nov 3, 2016 • 3:14:00pm

re: #109 MsJ

Lynch is between a rock and a hard place.

Lynch is also dealing with another frivolous lawsuit:

“Legal group” = the religious nutcases over at the ACLJ.

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The Vicious Babushka  Nov 3, 2016 • 3:14:02pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 3, 2016 • 3:15:11pm
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KGxvi  Nov 3, 2016 • 3:15:12pm

Just watched the video of Beyonce and the Dixie Chicks (as a general rule, I don’t watch award shows of any sort). I’m not much of a fan of most contemporary country music, but that song (Daddy Lessons) was really good, and a bit bluesy (which is always a plus). If Beyonce ever decided to do a strictly blues album, it’d probably bring the entire genre back into the mainstream.

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EPR-radar  Nov 3, 2016 • 3:16:07pm

re: #117 Backwoods_Sleuth

More Republican projection. The bullshit yield of this whopper is about 5 Mega-IMAX.

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BeachDem  Nov 3, 2016 • 3:17:17pm

re: #32 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Wonder what’s on the back of his shirt? The side-eye from the guy behind him suggests something.

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No Depression  Nov 3, 2016 • 3:17:18pm

re: #116 Belafon

I wonder if any of the other country stars will raise a fuss.

I doubt it. Most country stars today are little more than bland, inoffensive pop stars that avoid controversy of any kind.

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ObserverArt  Nov 3, 2016 • 3:18:19pm

Cool. Just checked the Franklin County (OH) Board of Elections to see if they have mail-in ballot tracking. Sure ‘nuff! And it says my ballot was returned and accepted. Makes me feel a little better about the whole process.

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Nyet  Nov 3, 2016 • 3:20:56pm

re: #34 Belafon

Which is odd since Wang gives Clinton a 99+% chance.

Wang has been wrong before.

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MsJ  Nov 3, 2016 • 3:22:59pm

re: #118 Lidane

Lynch is also dealing with another frivolous lawsuit:

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“Legal group” = the religious nutcases over at the ACLJ.

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That’s what the right does. File some bullshit lawsuit and then run screaming into the night that “X” is under a cloud of suspicion because that proves it.

The very thing with this FBI bullshit. A bogus book driving CHARGES ANY DAY!

It’s rote playbook.

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Skip Intro  Nov 3, 2016 • 3:24:57pm

Another batch of Clinton emails is released, with still more to come

If Trump doesn’t win the election he can’t claim it was because he got no help from the government.

sanluisobispo.com

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EPR-radar  Nov 3, 2016 • 3:28:32pm

re: #112 MsJ

A politicized FBI. Not troubling at all.

It could be worse than just a politicized FBI. We all know that wingnuts inhabit their own reality.

A core belief in wingnut reality is that the Clintons are criminal masterminds. This has been a staple of RW propaganda for over thirty years.

So RWNJ true believers in the FBI may sincerely think their going after Hillary Clinton any way imaginable is just the same as the Feds vs. blatant organized crime in the Prohibition era.

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MsJ  Nov 3, 2016 • 3:28:39pm

re: #129 Skip Intro

Another batch of Clinton emails is released, with still more to come

If Trump doesn’t win the election he can’t claim it was because he got no help from the government.

sanluisobispo.com

Huh?

That means the classified number remains what it was in February, when the department released what it considered the final batch of emails: At least 2,079 emails that Clinton sent or received contained classified material.

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Belafon  Nov 3, 2016 • 3:31:03pm

re: #131 MsJ

Huh?

Wasn’t the number 3?

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BeachDem  Nov 3, 2016 • 3:32:46pm

re: #68 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Must have bused them in:

For population 25 years and over in Selma:

Bachelor’s degree or higher: 7.7%
Graduate or professional degree: 2.8%

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Skip Intro  Nov 3, 2016 • 3:32:54pm

re: #132 Belafon

Wasn’t the number 3?

You have to read the fine print, which nobody is going to do. These mail bombs from the government are having the desired effect.

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Shiplord Kirel  Nov 3, 2016 • 3:34:22pm

re: #111 Backwoods_Sleuth

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He’s just doubling, tripling down.
yowser…

At this point some clever group of well placed lib terrorists could assassinate Duke and the Trumpsters would get the blame for it.
Only problem: There are no well-placed groups of lib terrorists.

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Nyet  Nov 3, 2016 • 3:34:46pm

re: #132 Belafon

McClatchy:

WASHINGTON
At least 2,079 emails that Hillary Clinton sent or received contained classified material, according to the State Department’s final update from its review of more than 30,000 emails.

The State Department released a new batch of 3,871 pages of Clinton’s emails Monday evening in response to a court order. Of those, 261 contain classified information. Most were at the confidential level, which is the lowest level of classification. Twenty-three of them were at the Secret level.

None of Clinton’s emails was marked as classified during her tenure, State Department officials say, but intelligence officials say some material was clearly classified at the time. Her aides also sent and received classified information.

Read more here: mcclatchydc.com

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EPR-radar  Nov 3, 2016 • 3:35:13pm

re: #131 MsJ

Wingnuts will conveniently ignore the fact that none of these emails was marked classified at the time.

I have yet to see anything in this email mess. If something wrong had been done, surely there would be a simple way to summarize it.

For example, consider Watergate. DNC headquarters was burgled. The perps were political operatives. The cover-up ran all the way up the GOP chain to President Nixon.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 3, 2016 • 3:35:26pm
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BeachDem  Nov 3, 2016 • 3:36:29pm

re: #82 MsJ

When I was driving back to Chicago in my new car, not being used to the satellite radio settings, I thought for sure it was on Fox. It was all email all day, all republican guests. Every time I had it on, which wasn’t that long. I opted to listen to Hamilton instead.

There is no left media. There is only the fear of being called left media.

Listening to Hamilton is always the wiser choice! (I have had nothing but Hamilton in my car since April—finally took a break on my drive back from Durham and listened to Miss Saigon)

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 3, 2016 • 3:37:16pm

re: #135 Shiplord Kirel

At this point some clever group of well placed lib terrorists could assassinate Duke and the Trumpsters would get the blame for it.
Only problem: There are no well-placed groups of lib terrorists.

Notice in the first tweet of is, it’s all women.

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gocart mozart  Nov 3, 2016 • 3:37:27pm
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MsJ  Nov 3, 2016 • 3:37:29pm

re: #132 Belafon

Wasn’t the number 3?

That was my understanding.

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Nyet  Nov 3, 2016 • 3:38:37pm

re: #142 MsJ

I could be wrong, but my guess is retroactive classification.

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ObserverArt  Nov 3, 2016 • 3:38:58pm

re: #136 Nyet

McClatchy:

I wish somehow the stupid people of this country could understand these facts. Shows what 30 years of sludge accumulation will do. It gets people believing the narrative of “Clinton Bad” without ever checking the details.

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MsJ  Nov 3, 2016 • 3:39:28pm

re: #139 BeachDem

Listening to Hamilton is always the wiser choice! (I have had nothing but Hamilton in my car since April—finally took a break on my drive back from Durham and listened to Miss Saigon)

I hated Miss Saigon. The only play I’ve ever seen that I didn’t like.

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Nyet  Nov 3, 2016 • 3:42:41pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 3, 2016 • 3:43:04pm

Irony: The FBI actively supporting a candidate who appeals most strongly to people who HATE the notion of government assistance.

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Nyet  Nov 3, 2016 • 3:45:19pm

re: #146 Nyet

Tho at this rate Wilson is just as likely to be full of shit.

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gocart mozart  Nov 3, 2016 • 3:45:48pm

re: #138 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Skip Intro  Nov 3, 2016 • 3:46:04pm

re: #146 Nyet

Looks like the media decided to bury whatever it is he’s talking about.

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Nyet  Nov 3, 2016 • 3:47:48pm

re: #150 Skip Intro

Or there never was there there…

I do remember one more prominent twitterer talking about two more surprises tho.

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Kryptik in Mourning  Nov 3, 2016 • 3:49:05pm

I really hope that the election decisions are already as set in stone as people have been saying, because holy shit, the FBI is coming with a naked vendetta right now. They’re not sticking a thumb on the scale at this rate, they’re pushing the entire hand on it.

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Skip Intro  Nov 3, 2016 • 3:49:17pm

re: #151 Nyet

Or there never was there there…

I do remember one more prominent twitterer talking about two more surprises tho.

Doesn’t really matter now, except for Wilson’s credibility. Unless Trump gets arrested over the weekend, it won’t make a dent.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 3, 2016 • 3:49:45pm

re: #151 Nyet

Or there never was there there…

I do remember one more prominent twitterer talking about two more surprises tho.

Guiliani was bragging about two really big surprises hidden up their (Trump campaign) sleeves after Donald bombed out in the third debate.

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Skip Intro  Nov 3, 2016 • 3:50:44pm

re: #152 Kryptik: Just Done With It.

I really hope that the election decisions are already as set in stone as people have been saying, because holy shit, the FBI is coming with a naked vendetta right now. They’re not sticking a thumb on the scale at this rate, they’re pushing the entire hand on it.

Makes you wonder if it wasn’t the FBI who leaked the emails to Assange, not the Russians.

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Nyet  Nov 3, 2016 • 3:53:36pm

re: #154 Backwoods_Sleuth

I mean surprises against Trump, one of them already scuttled because of his legal threats.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 3, 2016 • 3:58:13pm

re: #156 Nyet

I mean surprises against Trump, one of the already scuttled because of his legal threats.

ah! At this point, who the hell knows anymore? It’s been scandal overload.
About the only “new” one recently is the suggestion that Putin caught Trump on tape in a compromising position.

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meteor  Nov 3, 2016 • 3:58:26pm

re: #111 Backwoods_Sleuth

I need eye bleach and brain bleach now.

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danarchy  Nov 3, 2016 • 3:58:48pm

re: #132 Belafon

Wasn’t the number 3?

I think that was the number that had markings(ish). The rest are items that have since been classified or whose content should have been recognized as classified at the time but was not marked such.

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MsJ  Nov 3, 2016 • 3:58:49pm

re: #148 Nyet

Tho at this rate Wilson is just as likely to be full of shit.

Could be waiting for tomorrow. Maximum effect before the election. Think what would have happened if the Grab Em By The Pussy thing came out tomorrow.

Or he could be full of shit. Who knows at this point.

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BeachDem  Nov 3, 2016 • 4:00:18pm

re: #145 MsJ

I hated Miss Saigon. The only play I’ve ever seen that I didn’t like.

Wow—it’s in my top 5 favorites of all time.

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Nyet  Nov 3, 2016 • 4:00:35pm

re: #160 MsJ

He already wrote that the media must do it and “that’s not how it works” when asked to release the info. Dunno what that could be.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 3, 2016 • 4:02:22pm

So we are not choosing candidates based on their policies, proposals, economic plans, qualifications or records of service, we are choosing them based on who digs up the nastiest dirt at the latest possible moment to influence voters…

Cannot wait for this shit to be over with, but do not see how it is going to change at all for the better over the long run.

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stpaulbear  Nov 3, 2016 • 4:02:38pm

re: #58 Backwoods_Sleuth

Republicans are giving out fake ballot guides in black precincts in Miami that endorse R’s for nonpartisan judges/ballot/local races

That kind of shit is one of the reasons I made sure to vote for all 21 of the incumbent judical candidates when I early voted on Monday. Only one of them had a challenger, and the challenger was a woman who was arrested for DWI just before the 2014 elections and refused to take a breathalizer test.

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BeachDem  Nov 3, 2016 • 4:02:52pm

re: #149 gocart mozart

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Natalie, I love ya, Chick. So, she’s gotten to sing with James Taylor AND Beyonce. And says what she wants and doesn’t give a fuck. Does it get any better than that? I don’t think so.

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Skip Intro  Nov 3, 2016 • 4:03:16pm

Well, there is this.

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gocart mozart  Nov 3, 2016 • 4:03:29pm
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Patricia Kayden  Nov 3, 2016 • 4:06:18pm

re: #91 Lidane

Strange. Why invite Beyonce if you know Country Music fans are Rightwingers who hate her guts? Ditto the Dixie Chicks.

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Nyet  Nov 3, 2016 • 4:06:55pm

There’s also this guy, but he doesn’t leave a credible first impression.

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Skip Intro  Nov 3, 2016 • 4:07:32pm

re: #168 Patricia Kayden

Strange. Why invite Beyonce if you know Country Music fans are Rightwingers who hate her guts? Ditto the Dixie Chicks.

TV ratings.

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Shiplord Kirel  Nov 3, 2016 • 4:07:50pm

re: #155 Skip Intro

Makes you wonder if it wasn’t the FBI who leaked the emails to Assange, not the Russians.

I’m big on exposing Russian subversion, but I have not been totally convinced about the Assange leaks either.

It seems a little outside the Russian MO: For the sake of credibility, the Russkies would be more likely to go straight to the RWNJ media with hot political juice than through a foreign source like Assange. FBI sources, otoh, would be cautious about dealing with domestic (“anti-government”) media, since this could make them vulnerable to blackmail later.

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gocart mozart  Nov 3, 2016 • 4:08:11pm

WTF PETA?

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BeachDem  Nov 3, 2016 • 4:09:04pm

re: #168 Patricia Kayden

Strange. Why invite Beyonce if you know Country Music fans are Rightwingers who hate her guts? Ditto the Dixie Chicks.

Same reason tv “news” shows invite crazy right wingers—RATINGS.

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Patricia Kayden  Nov 3, 2016 • 4:09:08pm

re: #147 Eclectic Cyborg

Irony: The FBI actively supporting a candidate who appeals most strongly to people who HATE the notion of government assistance.

Not really. The FBI has always been about fascism and bigotry dating back to Hoover’s pathological hatred of MLK. I’m not surprised at all that its employees love Trump.

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Skip Intro  Nov 3, 2016 • 4:09:59pm

re: #171 Shiplord Kirel

I’m big on exposing Russian subversion, but I have not been totally convinced about the Assange leaks either.

I was until the FBI dropped all pretense of not messing with the election. Apparently they decided that the Assange releases weren’t doing enough damange.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 3, 2016 • 4:10:02pm

re: #170 Skip Intro

TV ratings.

And the ratings had a HUGE jump during their part of the program.

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Nyet  Nov 3, 2016 • 4:12:13pm

Apparently Liz Mair talked about 2 surprises one of which is unlikely now.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 3, 2016 • 4:13:00pm

That stench would be coming FROM INSIDE THE RALLY!

RUN AWAY!!

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 3, 2016 • 4:13:13pm

re: #168 Patricia Kayden

Strange. Why invite Beyonce if you know Country Music fans are Rightwingers who hate her guts? Ditto the Dixie Chicks.

I think they, like the GOP, have a core demographic that is ageing and shrinking in size and they are trying to open it up.

And like the GOP, they are only succeeding in pissing off the “base”.

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Targetpractice  Nov 3, 2016 • 4:13:37pm

re: #174 Patricia Kayden

Not really. The FBI has always been about fascism and bigotry dating back to Hoover’s pathological hatred of MLK. I’m not surprised at all that its employees love Trump.

That’s why we have the cultural depiction of the “G-man,” the humorless personification of all that is wrong with virtually unlimited government power, wrapped in a drab suit and (depending on the era) a fedora.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 3, 2016 • 4:14:37pm

re: #180 Targetpractice

That’s why we have the cultural depiction of the “G-man,” the humorless personification of all that is wrong with virtually unlimited government power, wrapped in a drab suit and (depending on the era) a fedora.

That would be our fellow lizard in Nebraska…

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 3, 2016 • 4:15:31pm

re: #174 Patricia Kayden

Not really. The FBI has always been about fascism and bigotry dating back to Hoover’s pathological hatred of MLK. I’m not surprised at all that its employees love Trump.

with a slight whiff of self-loathing suppressed homosexuality…

sorry, er, I mean family values

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The Vicious Babushka  Nov 3, 2016 • 4:16:55pm

re: #172 gocart mozart

WTF PETA?

[Embedded content]

PETA:

Has compared chickens to Holocaust victims
Has compared circus animals to enslaved Africans
Now compares cattle to rape victims.

Makes me hungry for a burger.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 3, 2016 • 4:16:57pm
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danarchy  Nov 3, 2016 • 4:17:02pm

re: #171 Shiplord Kirel

I’m big on exposing Russian subversion, but I have not been totally convinced about the Assange leaks either.

It seems a little outside the Russian MO: For the sake of credibility, the Russkies would be more likely to go straight to the RWNJ media with hot political juice than through a foreign source like Assange. FBI sources, otoh, would be cautious about dealing with domestic (“anti-government”) media, since this could make them vulnerable to blackmail later.

Isn’t that basically what this video that was making the rounds (I think it was linked on drudge) yesterday claims?

The Hillary Clinton Takeover of the United States

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 3, 2016 • 4:19:17pm
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Patricia Kayden  Nov 3, 2016 • 4:19:24pm

re: #111 Backwoods_Sleuth

I can easily see Trump and Duke winning in Louisiana. They’re perfect Republicans.

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Barefoot Grin  Nov 3, 2016 • 4:20:14pm

re: #121 KGxvi

Just watched the video of Beyonce and the Dixie Chicks (as a general rule, I don’t watch award shows of any sort). I’m not much of a fan of most contemporary country music, but that song (Daddy Lessons) was really good, and a bit bluesy (which is always a plus). If Beyonce ever decided to do a strictly blues album, it’d probably bring the entire genre back into the mainstream.

There’s quite a movement of non-mainstream country artists who are really good. I swear the CMA is not yearly; it feels like it’s on four times a year. Anyway, it’s the last holdout of the old-time record industry trying to control content by tin pan alley formulaic songs played by the same handful of session artists. Still good stuff coming from the sides.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 3, 2016 • 4:20:32pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 3, 2016 • 4:21:16pm
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Don't Blame Me, I Voted for Kodos  Nov 3, 2016 • 4:21:50pm

re: #168 Patricia Kayden

Strange. Why invite Beyonce if you know Country Music fans are Rightwingers who hate her guts? Ditto the Dixie Chicks.

Ratings, plain and simple.
CMA rating have been in steady decline the last few years and Beyonce gives them a guaranteed ratings bump.

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Skip Intro  Nov 3, 2016 • 4:22:13pm

re: #190 Backwoods_Sleuth

I hope they’re checking on the FBI as well.

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Patricia Kayden  Nov 3, 2016 • 4:23:22pm

re: #185 danarchy

Not gonna watch the video based on its silly title but wonder how getting elected = taking over. I guess that line of thinking only works for Democratic Presidents. In their alternate universe, only Republican Presidents are legitimate.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 3, 2016 • 4:23:46pm

O_o

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Skip Intro  Nov 3, 2016 • 4:24:31pm

re: #187 Patricia Kayden

I can easily see Trump and Duke winning in Louisiana. They’re perfect Republicans.

I’m surprised Duke isn’t in the lead. Maybe he is with evangelicals.

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The Vicious Babushka  Nov 3, 2016 • 4:25:04pm
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Timothy Watson  Nov 3, 2016 • 4:25:07pm

re: #168 Patricia Kayden

Strange. Why invite Beyonce if you know Country Music fans are Rightwingers who hate her guts? Ditto the Dixie Chicks.

Beyonce probably does have some cross-over appeal for the younger country music fans.

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KGxvi  Nov 3, 2016 • 4:25:26pm

re: #188 Barefoot Grin

There’s quite a movement of non-mainstream country artists who are really good. I swear the CMA is not yearly; it feels like it’s on four times a year. Anyway, it’s the last holdout of the old-time record industry trying to control content by tin pan alley formulaic songs played by the same handful of session artists. Still good stuff coming from the sides.

With things like Pandora and Stitcher and the other music apps, plus satellite radio (not to mention artists being able to self produce and basically publish directly to things like the iTunes store), it amazes me that the old model continues to hold at all.

Personally, I’ve been on a bit of a rockabilly/blues/outlaw country kind of swing lately. I haven’t actually listened to anything Beyonce has put out in a while, might have to check some of it out… but me playing in the iTunes store is always so very dangerous.

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Skip Intro  Nov 3, 2016 • 4:25:34pm

re: #194 Backwoods_Sleuth

O_o

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Jason ought to spend a week in jail and see how he likes it.

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Clearly a Country For Sick Old Haters  Nov 3, 2016 • 4:25:42pm

re: #6 Backwoods_Sleuth

funny thing CL noticed about this picture downstairs.
Donald wears glasses!

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Can’t show weakness. I stopped wearing mine when I had an insane manager that I needed to constantly display strength to.


Maybe he’s not talking to America, but to the evil members of the wannabe reich.
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Skip Intro  Nov 3, 2016 • 4:27:16pm

re: #196 The Vicious Babushka

I’m SHOCKED, SHOCKED, I tell you!

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Targetpractice  Nov 3, 2016 • 4:28:45pm

re: #194 Backwoods_Sleuth

O_o

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“Party über alles” remains the battle cry of the GOP. Why anybody bought into their “outrage” over Trump remains one of those mysteries for the ages.

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Patricia Kayden  Nov 3, 2016 • 4:29:48pm

re: #200 No Country For Old Haters

How could Trump make us proud? He has already dragged this country through the mud with his embarrassing campaign. He really has no shame.

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Targetpractice  Nov 3, 2016 • 4:30:16pm

re: #196 The Vicious Babushka

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It’s looking more and more like the Hatch Act is a dead letter after this election.

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Clearly a Country For Sick Old Haters  Nov 3, 2016 • 4:30:17pm

re: #172 gocart mozart


I didn’t mean to imply that Chuck euthanizes animals, just that PETA seeks bad-attention.
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Clearly a Country For Sick Old Haters  Nov 3, 2016 • 4:31:00pm

re: #203 Patricia Kayden

He keeps saying things that read like satire, but he really believes this absurd image of himself.

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Kryptik in Mourning  Nov 3, 2016 • 4:31:47pm

Am I the only one getting really terrified and worried about this stuff with the FBI now? Seems like they’ve trained the firing squad on Clinton as last-minute as possible to swing the vote hard as they can, and with the usual propensity of people to let first impressions dominate everything while corrections get buried in the back pages….

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Skip Intro  Nov 3, 2016 • 4:32:16pm

re: #198 KGxvi

Personally, I’ve been on a bit of a rockabilly/blues/outlaw country kind of swing lately.

That’s what makes Pandora so great and regular radio-Sirius/XM so worthless. You get to create stations that you want to listen to, with no commercials or interruptions by DJs who voice track their entire program.

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Shiplord Kirel  Nov 3, 2016 • 4:32:36pm

re: #185 danarchy

Isn’t that basically what this video that was making the rounds (I think it was linked on drudge) yesterday claim?

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Up to a point. It is claiming a lot more besides. The guy in the video, Steve Piecznik is a 72 year old drooling nutcase, antisemite, and friend of Alex Jones. Before he went over completely to the dark side, however, he really was a prominent psychiatrist and Deputy Assistant Secretary of State for psychological warfare. He claims extensive contacts in the intelligence community. The extent is certainly doubtful, given that he has been radioactive for many years, but it is just possible that he retains some indirect contact and has heard something. Rabid anti-Hillary types in the establishment would also be aware of him and may even seek him out, though very cautiously.

There may be a grain of reality in that manure pile.

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Barefoot Grin  Nov 3, 2016 • 4:33:41pm

re: #198 KGxvi

With things like Pandora and Stitcher and the other music apps, plus satellite radio (not to mention artists being able to self produce and basically publish directly to things like the iTunes store), it amazes me that the old model continues to hold at all.

Personally, I’ve been on a bit of a rockabilly/blues/outlaw country kind of swing lately. I haven’t actually listened to anything Beyonce has put out in a while, might have to check some of it out… but me playing in the iTunes store is always so very dangerous.

I think people like Jason Isbell, Sturgill Simpson, Margo Price, and others are incredibly marketable in some ways in this Pandora world, but Nashville won’t accept some of them.

Btw, I’m always looking for new stuff. What are you liking in the rockabilly/blues/outlaw formats?

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Skip Intro  Nov 3, 2016 • 4:34:13pm

re: #205 No Country For Old Haters

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I didn’t mean to imply that Chuck euthanizes animals, just that PETA seeks bad-attention.

Now you’ve given him an idea.

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wrenchwench  Nov 3, 2016 • 4:35:16pm
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Clearly a Country For Sick Old Haters  Nov 3, 2016 • 4:35:25pm

re: #198 KGxvi

With things like Pandora and Stitcher and the other music apps, plus satellite radio (not to mention artists being able to self produce and basically publish directly to things like the iTunes store), it amazes me that the old model continues to hold at all.

Personally, I’ve been on a bit of a rockabilly/blues/outlaw country kind of swing lately. I haven’t actually listened to anything Beyonce has put out in a while, might have to check some of it out… but me playing in the iTunes store is always so very dangerous.

Outlaw Country!
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 3, 2016 • 4:36:28pm

re: #212 wrenchwench

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The goat is wearing its lunch…

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Nov 3, 2016 • 4:38:50pm
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Clearly a Country For Sick Old Haters  Nov 3, 2016 • 4:38:50pm

re: #14 Shiplord Kirel

I would guess that the chap in the picture has very little first hand knowledge of the crudely referenced body part.

Except perhaps when grabbing in crowds.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 3, 2016 • 4:39:14pm

He was 15 minutes early in Concord NC, now he’s more than a half hour late to Selma NC

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 3, 2016 • 4:42:21pm
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Clearly a Country For Sick Old Haters  Nov 3, 2016 • 4:43:01pm

re: #20 Backwoods_Sleuth

O_o

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Decatur Deb  Nov 3, 2016 • 4:45:48pm

re: #212 wrenchwench

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Must be something to that Lesbian Farmer CT.

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Skip Intro  Nov 3, 2016 • 4:48:06pm

re: #217 Backwoods_Sleuth

He was 15 minutes early in Concord NC, now he’s more than a half hour late to Selma NC

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Maybe he had to fly back to Florida to use his gold toilet. I’m sure weight considerations prevented him from installing one on his jet.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 3, 2016 • 4:49:02pm
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Frankie Five Angels  Nov 3, 2016 • 4:50:27pm

re: #168 Patricia Kayden

Strange. Why invite Beyonce if you know Country Music fans are Rightwingers who hate her guts? Ditto the Dixie Chicks.

To troll Trump-voting racist rednecks like a motherfucker, and it worked. I love it.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 3, 2016 • 4:51:02pm
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Barefoot Grin  Nov 3, 2016 • 4:51:24pm

re: #223 Frankie Five Angels

To troll Trump-voting racist rednecks like a motherfucker, and it worked. I love it.

I’m sorry, I tried to upding you twice, but couldn’t.

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Clearly a Country For Sick Old Haters  Nov 3, 2016 • 4:51:47pm

re: #23 gocart mozart

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 3, 2016 • 4:51:54pm

this ought to be a real shitshow.

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BeachDem  Nov 3, 2016 • 4:52:42pm

re: #184 Backwoods_Sleuth

re: #186 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Since these two posts were about Pharrell and John Lewis, I thought this was only appropriate (and we can all use a smile)

Congressman John Lewis Dancing to Pharrell Williams’ “Happy”: “Nothing Can Bring Me Down”

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Weaselone  Nov 3, 2016 • 4:53:06pm

re: #222 Backwoods_Sleuth

Hillary. The most corrupt nominee ever for who there is no concrete evidence of actual corruption.

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Clearly a Country For Sick Old Haters  Nov 3, 2016 • 4:54:07pm

re: #222 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Frankie Five Angels  Nov 3, 2016 • 4:54:26pm

re: #229 Weaselone

Hillary. The most corrupt nominee ever for who there is no concrete evidence of actual corruption.

For thirty years. Either she’s the luckiest person on earth, or they’ve never had shit. I’ll go with the latter for $1000, Alex.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 3, 2016 • 4:55:00pm

and there was some lonely and incoherent screeching from a left-behind loon on Lake Wasilla…

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BeachDem  Nov 3, 2016 • 4:55:11pm

re: #189 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Barefoot Grin  Nov 3, 2016 • 4:55:27pm

Inside pro-tip: when your wife is not very political but then comes to you and says, “I heard that Trump was bullying someone named Katy Tur, so I looked her up and found that she had a relationship with some older guy,”

Don’t respond: “was he about my age?”

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Clearly a Country For Sick Old Haters  Nov 3, 2016 • 4:55:43pm

re: #227 Backwoods_Sleuth

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this ought to be a real shitshow.

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jaunte  Nov 3, 2016 • 4:55:55pm

re: #227 Backwoods_Sleuth

“He’s in a very good zone right now. He is in a closing zone. He is making the close.”

He’s gonna give Trump the Glengarry leads.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Nov 3, 2016 • 4:56:34pm

re: #223 Frankie Five Angels

Tim McGraw get my respect. For this.

Yeah, he’s a Nashville guy, but he showed support for gays and Muslim there. I might have to listen to him, see if I like anything.

Anyone here like him?

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Frankie Five Angels  Nov 3, 2016 • 4:56:44pm

re: #236 jaunte

Put that coffee down!! Coffee’s for closers only.

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Frankie Five Angels  Nov 3, 2016 • 4:57:00pm

re: #237 Ziggy_TARDIS

Tim McGraw get my respect. For this.

Yeah, he’s a Nashville guy, but he showed support for gays and Muslim there. I might have to listen to him, see if I like anything.

Anyone here like him?

His old man was Tug.

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Decatur Deb  Nov 3, 2016 • 4:57:16pm

re: #232 Backwoods_Sleuth

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and there was some lonely and incoherent screeching from a left-behind loon on Lake Wasilla…

It takes electrons a very long time to get to Alaska and back.

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ObserverArt  Nov 3, 2016 • 4:57:51pm

WTF? I just turned on my TV flipped to MSNBC/Tweety Matthews to catch his closing before going for some Cavs sportsball and I heard Andrew Sullivan tell Chris “something he does not know” was that the election is now a referendum on the Clinton’s and Trump is going to win.

Fuck that noise. I haven’t seen Sullivan in a long time, is he into depression news now?

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Decatur Deb  Nov 3, 2016 • 4:57:58pm

re: #236 jaunte

“He’s in a very good zone right now. He is in a closing zone. He is making the close.”

He’s gonna give Trump the Glengarry leads.

Night of the Steak Knives.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 3, 2016 • 4:58:32pm

re: #233 BeachDem

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jaunte  Nov 3, 2016 • 5:00:23pm

re: #242 Decatur Deb

“That watch costs more than your car. I made $970,000 last year. How much’d you make? You see pal, that’s who I am, and you’re nothing.”

I think Trump based his life on that show.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 3, 2016 • 5:00:51pm

re: #237 Ziggy_TARDIS

Tim McGraw get my respect. For this.

Yeah, he’s a Nashville guy, but he showed support for gays and Muslim there. I might have to listen to him, see if I like anything.

Anyone here like him?

Tim and Faith are really great people who don’t just talk the talk, they actually do what they believe.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Nov 3, 2016 • 5:01:06pm

Apparently, though he is a bit conservative, Tim McGraw is a Democrat.

McGraw, a Democrat, has stated that he would like to run for public office in the future, possibly for Senate or Governor of Tennessee, his home state.[75][76] In the same interview, he praised former President Bill Clinton.[76] He has referred to himself as a “Blue Dog Democrat” and stated that he supported presidential candidate Barack Obama in 2008.

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Decatur Deb  Nov 3, 2016 • 5:01:11pm

re: #244 jaunte

I think Trump based his life on that show.

Always thought of it as the scariest horror movie.

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Belafon  Nov 3, 2016 • 5:01:21pm

The two cops that were killed in Des Moines both graduated from Simpson College, where my son is going to school: thesimpsonian.com

DES MOINES, Iowa — The Des Moines and Urbandale police departments have identified the two officers shot and killed in what officials are calling ambush-style attacks early Wednesday.

Both officers were graduates of Simpson College.

Des Moines police Sgt. Anthony “Tony” Beminio, 39, and Urbandale police Officer Justin Martin, 24, were the officers killed, Des Moines police Sgt. Paul Parizek said in a press conference.

Beminio and Martin graduated from Simpson in 2001 and 2015, respectively, according to a news release.

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Targetpractice  Nov 3, 2016 • 5:01:25pm

re: #232 Backwoods_Sleuth

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and there was some lonely and incoherent screeching from a left-behind loon on Lake Wasilla…

You know, I do feel just the tiniest bit bad for Caribou Barbie. 8 years ago, she was seen as the “next big thing” in far-right politics. Now she’s lucky if people tune in once a week to see if she needs to have her water bowl refilled.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Nov 3, 2016 • 5:02:45pm

re: #246 Ziggy_TARDIS

If he ran for Senate or Governor of Tennessee, I think he might actually have a chance.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 3, 2016 • 5:02:46pm

re: #249 Targetpractice

You know, I do feel just the tiniest bit bad for Caribou Barbie. 8 years ago, she was seen as the “next big thing” in far-right politics. Now she’s lucky if people tune in once a week to see if she needs to have her water bowl refilled.

“water bowl” make me laugh out loud.

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blueraven  Nov 3, 2016 • 5:03:16pm

re: #241 ObserverArt

WTF? I just turned on my TV flipped to MSNBC/Tweety Matthews to catch his closing before going for some Cavs sportsball and I heard Andrew Sullivan tell Chris “something he does not know” was that the election is now a referendum on the Clinton’s and Trump is going to win.

Fuck that noise. I haven’t seen Sullivan in a long time, is he into depression news now?

C’mon. It’s Andrew. He is a freakout specialist. Always has been. Pay no attention.

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Skip Intro  Nov 3, 2016 • 5:03:52pm

re: #237 Ziggy_TARDIS

Tim McGraw get my respect. For this.

Yeah, he’s a Nashville guy, but he showed support for gays and Muslim there. I might have to listen to him, see if I like anything.

Anyone here like him?

Not really (if you’re talking about his music).

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Nov 3, 2016 • 5:04:01pm
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Targetpractice  Nov 3, 2016 • 5:04:07pm

re: #251 Backwoods_Sleuth

“water bowl” make me laugh out loud.

I’d say food bowl, but she makes her own word salad.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 3, 2016 • 5:04:13pm
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BeachDem  Nov 3, 2016 • 5:04:28pm

re: #227 Backwoods_Sleuth

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this ought to be a real shitshow.

And he’s giving it in fucking Selma, NC? Really speaking to his audience, eh?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 3, 2016 • 5:04:42pm

re: #255 Targetpractice

I’d say food bowl, but she makes her own word salad.

toilet bowl…

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 3, 2016 • 5:05:15pm

re: #257 BeachDem

And he’s giving it in fucking Selma, NC? Really speaking to his audience, eh?

yeppers…Klan heaven

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 3, 2016 • 5:05:48pm
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Belafon  Nov 3, 2016 • 5:06:07pm

re: #190 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Look at how scared people are at the thought of having the first female president.

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BeachDem  Nov 3, 2016 • 5:06:51pm

re: #232 Backwoods_Sleuth

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and there was some lonely and incoherent screeching from a left-behind loon on Lake Wasilla…

Yeah, the news cycle isn’t complete until we have deep thoughts from Princess Dumbass of the Northwoods. Sigh

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 3, 2016 • 5:07:11pm
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ObserverArt  Nov 3, 2016 • 5:08:28pm

re: #254 Ziggy_TARDIS

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I received my letter for my absentee ballot way back in late September. So, the ones Husted sent out went out in plenty of time. He’s bullshitting. I’m glad the Dems turned him in, but now that the FBI has been shown to being a thumb on the scale who the hell knows if anything will be done.

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worldknot  Nov 3, 2016 • 5:09:09pm

re: #204 Targetpractice

It’s looking more and more like the Hatch Act is a dead letter after this election.

We’ll see. OSC doesn’t investigate and prosecute overnight.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 3, 2016 • 5:09:15pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 3, 2016 • 5:09:55pm
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EPR-radar  Nov 3, 2016 • 5:10:03pm

re: #261 Belafon

Look at how scared people are at the thought of having the first female president.

This GOP event needs more atmosphere. Torches. A large quasi-military parade. Big red flags, etc.

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BeachDem  Nov 3, 2016 • 5:10:54pm

re: #237 Ziggy_TARDIS

Tim McGraw get my respect. For this.

Yeah, he’s a Nashville guy, but he showed support for gays and Muslim there. I might have to listen to him, see if I like anything.

Anyone here like him?

My favorite Tim McGraw song:

Tim McGraw - Don’t Take The Girl (Official Music Video)

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gocart mozart  Nov 3, 2016 • 5:11:03pm
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stpaulbear  Nov 3, 2016 • 5:13:07pm

Thanks, republicans.

An elementary school in New York has canceled its mock presidential election after teachers and staff raised concerns about kids repeating “negative rhetoric about minorities,” according to the school’s principal.

“Teachers have said they’ve heard some kids in the cafeteria chanting ‘Trump! Trump! Trump!’ or saying they don’t want Muslims here,” said Glen Rogers, principal of Jericho Elementary School in Centereach, New York.

“I mean, kids often repeat what they hear on the TV or the news, but it doesn’t mean it’s OK,” Rogers told ABC News today. “We have a diverse community here. We want all our students to feel valued.”

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Belafon  Nov 3, 2016 • 5:13:59pm

re: #254 Ziggy_TARDIS

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They’ll only investigate him if Clinton sent him an email.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Nov 3, 2016 • 5:15:00pm

re: #272 Belafon

I think the FBI is in big trouble.

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BeachDem  Nov 3, 2016 • 5:15:23pm

re: #243 Backwoods_Sleuth

Yeah, good point.

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EPR-radar  Nov 3, 2016 • 5:15:32pm

re: #270 gocart mozart

The “intellectual right” consists of a few wankers at the National Review. Their intellectual output is advocacy of tax cuts and mental masturbation to faded Reagan posters from the 1980. The amount of introspection this involves is 0.

The rise of Trump has made it clear that the “intellectual right” is completely irrelevant. Trumpism is Hate Radio and Fox News channeled into a political program to purge perceived enemies.

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jaunte  Nov 3, 2016 • 5:15:45pm

re: #270 gocart mozart

Meanwhile, the political junkmail postcard of the day from the Republican party of Texas says:
WHEN REPUBLICANS DON’T VOTE
DEMOCRATS DESTROY OUR WAY OF LIFE!!!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 3, 2016 • 5:16:31pm
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Ziggy_TARDIS  Nov 3, 2016 • 5:17:13pm

News from Polls today is pretty good, at least from the known reliable ones.

I am also believing that some of you are correct about the 2% boost to Clinton. If Florida and NC are any indication, this looks decent.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Nov 3, 2016 • 5:18:03pm

Gallup also shows an encouraging sign.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Nov 3, 2016 • 5:18:56pm

re: #279 Ziggy_TARDIS

Oops, tweet was not included.

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Shiplord Kirel  Nov 3, 2016 • 5:19:17pm

re: #276 jaunte

Meanwhile, the political junkmail postcard of the day from the Republican party of Texas says:
WHEN REPUBLICANS DON’T VOTE
DEMOCRATS DESTROY OUR WAY OF LIFE!!!

Gee, they say that like it’s a bad thing.

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thedopefishlives  Nov 3, 2016 • 5:19:22pm

Evening Lizardim.

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BeachDem  Nov 3, 2016 • 5:19:37pm

re: #254 Ziggy_TARDIS

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And let’s all remember that the Dem who lost to Husted SPECTACULARLY was “superstar” Nina Turner. Maybe if they’d run somebody who had a chance of winning, things might be different…

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Nov 3, 2016 • 5:20:22pm

re: #283 BeachDem

Yeah, that too.

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The Vicious Babushka  Nov 3, 2016 • 5:20:26pm

Read this whole Tweetstorm==>

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blueraven  Nov 3, 2016 • 5:20:57pm

re: #196 The Vicious Babushka

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The author of that piece, Wayne Barrett, is on with Chris Hayes right now.

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The Vicious Babushka  Nov 3, 2016 • 5:21:01pm

*VOMITS*

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ObserverArt  Nov 3, 2016 • 5:22:26pm

re: #283 BeachDem

And let’s all remember that the Dem who lost to Husted SPECTACULARLY was “superstar” Nina Turner. Maybe if they’d run somebody who had a chance of winning, things might be different…

Heh, I haven’t seen her around lately. Of course, I’ve not been watching much political TV so maybe I missed her.

I don’t miss her!

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Targetpractice  Nov 3, 2016 • 5:23:16pm

re: #287 The Vicious Babushka

*VOMITS*

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So Kellyanne, level with us, how much is a human soul going for these days?

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The Vicious Babushka  Nov 3, 2016 • 5:23:34pm

Like all moms, Melania lives in a gold-plated palace and wears gowns that wave in the breeze like a flag, even indoors.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Nov 3, 2016 • 5:25:53pm
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The Vicious Babushka  Nov 3, 2016 • 5:26:32pm
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BeachDem  Nov 3, 2016 • 5:27:40pm

re: #260 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Selma:
Population in 2014: 6,257
Estimated median household income in 2013: $20,104
46% Hispanic
29% born in South America
About 10% with bachelors or advanced degrees
biggest employment category—construction

Excellent place for a foreign policy speech. Say what?

(I said earlier they must be busing peeps in)

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Nov 3, 2016 • 5:28:47pm

OOOOOOO, Gus found a thing.

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Clearly a Country For Sick Old Haters  Nov 3, 2016 • 5:29:42pm

re: #289 Targetpractice

So Kellyanne, level with us, how much is a human soul going for these days?

A lot of these far-right Republican elites have figured out that souls are imaginary. Now there’s nothing holding them back but a justice system they don’t believe in.

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ObserverArt  Nov 3, 2016 • 5:30:04pm

re: #290 The Vicious Babushka

Like all moms, Melania lives in a gold-plated palace and wears gowns that wave in the breeze like a flag, even indoors.

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Look at the toy cars the kid has. Two stretch limos and a classic Mercedes Formula One race car. The real Mercedes (if that is the same car…hard to tell in the photo) sold for a record 30 Million dollars back in 2013.

Yep, just a normal kid with a normal mother all leading normal lives.

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Shiplord Kirel  Nov 3, 2016 • 5:30:37pm

Coolest Guy in the World is jetting around Australia. Incidentally, Buzz will be 87 on January 20.

Facebook Post

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retired cynic  Nov 3, 2016 • 5:30:38pm

re: #287 The Vicious Babushka

*VOMITS*

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I think Anderson looks properly receptive of this line of commentary. ///////

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Skip Intro  Nov 3, 2016 • 5:32:11pm

re: #296 ObserverArt

I was wondering what else does she have to do?

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Nov 3, 2016 • 5:32:21pm

re: #296 ObserverArt

Look at the toy cars the kid has. Two stretch limos and a classic Mercedes Formula One race car. The real Mercedes (if that is the same car…hard to tell in the photo) sold for a record 30 Million dollars back in 2013.

Yep, just a normal kid with a normal mother all leading normal lives.

Probably plays crashing it into the stands at Le Mans.

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BeachDem  Nov 3, 2016 • 5:32:38pm

re: #287 The Vicious Babushka

*VOMITS*

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Projectile vomits into a galaxy far away.

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Decatur Deb  Nov 3, 2016 • 5:32:57pm

re: #297 Shiplord Kirel

Coolest Guy in the World is jetting around Australia. Incidentally, Buzz will be 87 on January 20.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 3, 2016 • 5:33:26pm

Jim is freaking clueless.

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ObserverArt  Nov 3, 2016 • 5:33:41pm

re: #300 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Probably plays crashing it into the stands at Le Mans.

Ouch! Sounds like you know a little racing history.

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Charles Johnson  Nov 3, 2016 • 5:33:52pm
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Belafon  Nov 3, 2016 • 5:34:05pm

re: #296 ObserverArt

Look at the toy cars the kid has. Two stretch limos and a classic Mercedes Formula One race car. The real Mercedes (if that is the same car…hard to tell in the photo) sold for a record 30 Million dollars back in 2013.

Yep, just a normal kid with a normal mother all leading normal lives.

Melania has never had to choose between:
1. Eating that evening or paying for her child’s medication.
2. Working or taking an unpaid day off to take care of her sick kid.
3. Putting her kid in soccer or having to tell the child her work schedule makes it impossible.

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The Vicious Babushka  Nov 3, 2016 • 5:34:22pm

re: #296 ObserverArt

Look at the toy cars the kid has. Two stretch limos and a classic Mercedes Formula One race car. The real Mercedes (if that is the same car…hard to tell in the photo) sold for a record 30 Million dollars back in 2013.

Yep, just a normal kid with a normal mother all leading normal lives.

I feel sorry for Barron now, but in just a few years he will be like his older siblings and I’ll be like “fuck that guy”

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blueraven  Nov 3, 2016 • 5:34:51pm
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jaunte  Nov 3, 2016 • 5:35:07pm

re: #303 Backwoods_Sleuth

“…The Everitt P. Stevens House, located in Selma, was the site of the last Grand Review of the Confederate Army held on April 6, 1865, after its defeat at the Battle of Bentonville.”
en.wikipedia.org

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Charles Johnson  Nov 3, 2016 • 5:35:12pm
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EPR-radar  Nov 3, 2016 • 5:37:00pm

re: #290 The Vicious Babushka

Like all moms, Melania lives in a gold-plated palace and wears gowns that wave in the breeze like a flag, even indoors.

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Being the third trophy wife of a repulsive rich asshole like Trump is also out of the ordinary.

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Targetpractice  Nov 3, 2016 • 5:38:11pm

re: #310 Charles Johnson

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But if they did that, then their user numbers would plummet.

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The Vicious Babushka  Nov 3, 2016 • 5:39:00pm

re: #306 Belafon

Melania has never had to choose between:
1. Eating that evening

I am sure that Donald monitors every piece of food she puts in her mouth, can’t become a fat slob Miss Piggy eating machine!

Melania is not allowed to let Donald know when she uses the toilet.

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ObserverArt  Nov 3, 2016 • 5:39:01pm

re: #307 The Vicious Babushka

I feel sorry for Barron now, but in just a few years he will be like his older siblings and I’ll be like “fuck that guy”

I forget the kid was named Barron. What does that tell you? He’s going to be a piece of work.

But since he is third generation there is a good chance he will wreck the family business!

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Belafon  Nov 3, 2016 • 5:41:09pm

re: #314 ObserverArt

I forget the kid was named Barron. What does that tell you? He’s going to be a piece of work.

But since he is third generation there is a good chance he will wreck the family business!

The odds are more than likely that he’ll turn out like the rest of the family, mostly because of money, but the son of the Stormfront founder didn’t follow in his dad’s footsteps.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Nov 3, 2016 • 5:41:23pm

I just realized something.

Tweet I made at the realization.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 3, 2016 • 5:42:09pm

The FBI and U.S. intelligence agencies are examining faked documents aimed at discrediting the Hillary Clinton campaign as part of a broader investigation into what U.S. officials believe has been an attempt by Russia to disrupt the presidential election, people with knowledge of the matter said.

U.S. Senator Tom Carper, a Democrat on the Senate Homeland Security Committee, has referred one of the documents to the FBI for investigation on the grounds that his name and stationery were forged to appear authentic, some of the sources who had knowledge of that discussion said.

In the letter identified as fake, Carper is quoted as writing to Clinton, “We will not let you lose this election,” a person who saw the document told Reuters.

The fake Carper letter, which was described to Reuters, is one of several documents presented to the Federal Bureau of Investigation and the U.S. Department of Justice for review in recent weeks, the sources said.

Roger Stone is mentioned in the article.

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BeachDem  Nov 3, 2016 • 5:44:05pm

re: #288 ObserverArt

Heh, I haven’t seen her around lately. Of course, I’ve not been watching much political TV so maybe I missed her.

I don’t miss her!

Nor do I—but oh dog no!!

she says she’s also keeping her options open for 2018, when all five statewide executive offices will be open, including secretary of state, which she ran for and lost in 2014.

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Charles Johnson  Nov 3, 2016 • 5:44:25pm
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teleskiguy  Nov 3, 2016 • 5:46:13pm

Blast from the past! From 2013:

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Frankie Five Angels  Nov 3, 2016 • 5:46:19pm

re: #237 Ziggy_TARDIS

Tim McGraw get my respect. For this.

Yeah, he’s a Nashville guy, but he showed support for gays and Muslim there. I might have to listen to him, see if I like anything.

Anyone here like him?

I just remembered that he sent right-wingers into a head-spinning frenzy when he supported Obama.

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The Vicious Babushka  Nov 3, 2016 • 5:47:18pm

WOW.

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Frankie Five Angels  Nov 3, 2016 • 5:47:31pm

“It’s innate in me to be a blue-dog Democrat. I’m not saying I’m right or wrong, but that’s what I am. My wife and I and our family will do everything we can to support Obama. I like his ideas, I like his energy, and I like the statement he would make for our country to the world.” -Tim McGraw

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Shiplord Kirel  Nov 3, 2016 • 5:48:27pm

re: #300 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Probably plays crashing it into the stands at Le Mans.

Great reference! Sorry I only have one upding for it.
1955 Le Mans disaster

An old (now 92 in fact) friend of mine was an eyewitness to the 1955 accident. He was about 150 meters away in the stands opposite the point of collision. He said it was the most horrible thing he had ever seen, absolutely surreal. He saw the car in the air, wreckage flying through the crowd, then the fireball.

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thedopefishlives  Nov 3, 2016 • 5:48:39pm

re: #310 Charles Johnson

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Speaking of which, whatever happened to the Rage Furby? Did his new account get banhammered?

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FormerDirtDart  Nov 3, 2016 • 5:48:53pm
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jaunte  Nov 3, 2016 • 5:49:05pm
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Belafon  Nov 3, 2016 • 5:50:26pm

Definite feel good diary: dailykos.com.

SPREAD the word & SHARE!!- [The picture] is my Math professor Dr. Josie Ryan with my son…She is amazing. She knows I worked and continued school @ USC while pregnant this past semester&Summer & I started her class the week before I had my son in August & started attending her class again the week after I had him. She knew I’d be overwhelmed so literally begged me to bring Isaiah to class & even showed me where the breastfeeding room in the health center was at Lander University.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 3, 2016 • 5:50:54pm
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Varek Raith  Nov 3, 2016 • 5:51:43pm

I’m looking forward to reading Silver’s site after the election.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Nov 3, 2016 • 5:52:17pm

re: #327 jaunte

Sounds like a Trump supporter.

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teleskiguy  Nov 3, 2016 • 5:52:19pm

re: #325 thedopefishlives

Speaking of which, whatever happened to the Rage Furby? Did his new account get banhammered?

See for yourself: @theonetruechuck

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Frankie Five Angels  Nov 3, 2016 • 5:52:54pm

re: #331 Ziggy_TARDIS

Sounds like a Trump supporter.

And a real asshole.

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thedopefishlives  Nov 3, 2016 • 5:53:31pm

re: #332 teleskiguy

See for yourself: @theonetruechuck

BWA HAHAHAHA!

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goddamnedfrank  Nov 3, 2016 • 5:53:33pm
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Targetpractice  Nov 3, 2016 • 5:54:34pm

re: #330 Varek Raith

I’m looking forward to reading Silver’s site after the election.

“I always had Hillary winning, but I couldn’t say that Trump had no chance.”

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 3, 2016 • 5:55:27pm
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Varek Raith  Nov 3, 2016 • 5:55:42pm

re: #336 Targetpractice

“I always had Hillary winning, but I couldn’t say that Trump had no chance.”

It’s interesting just how volatile his model has become. Methinks it’s a tad over-engineered.

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Belafon  Nov 3, 2016 • 5:56:03pm

I keep talking a lot about how the misogyny is driving Republicans, but there is the other aspect that is causing Republicans in places like the FBI to break either laws or conventions: racism. When Hillary wins, it will be because a coalition of blacks, whites, and Latinos will have elected her, and they may even swing the Senate.

Imagine what that will do to a lot of white people’s psyches.

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thedopefishlives  Nov 3, 2016 • 5:56:16pm

re: #338 Varek Raith

It’s interesting just how volatile his model has become. Methinks it’s a tad over-engineered.

It’s perfectly calibrated to show a horse race.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Nov 3, 2016 • 5:56:55pm

re: #328 Belafon

If we could have proper childcare in this country, that was affordable, the birth rate would rise.

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Targetpractice  Nov 3, 2016 • 5:57:23pm

re: #338 Varek Raith

It’s interesting just how volatile his model has become. Methinks it’s a tad over-engineered.

Methinks he’s tweaked it to wildly exaggerate any swings in the polls in order to keep people clicking. I suspect if you graphed his traffic, it ebbed whenever Hillary had a good week and spiked whenever the latest “scandal” popped up.

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Brian J.  Nov 3, 2016 • 5:57:59pm

re: #336 Targetpractice

“I always had Hillary winning, but I couldn’t say that Trump had no chance.”

Nate’s going to be the early 21st Century’s version of the Literary Digest… if he’s lucky and his golden Fascist Boy goes down.

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ObserverArt  Nov 3, 2016 • 5:58:21pm

re: #324 Shiplord Kirel

Great reference! Sorry I only have one upding for it.
1955 Le Mans disaster

An old (now 92 in fact) friend of mine was an eyewitness to the 1955 accident. He was about 150 meters away in the stands opposite the point of collision. He said it was the most horrible thing he had ever seen, absolutely surreal. He saw the car in the air, wreckage flying through the crowd, then the fireball.

It kept Mercedes out of racing for years. They didn’t get back into the sport until 1994 as an engine supplier to other race car constructors ans it wasn’t until 2009(?) or so that they actually built a Mercedes race car.

I’m am huge auto racing fan, and had a good run in the sport with some racing teams doing graphics and PR work. I know the history fairly well and that LeMans disaster almost stopped auto racing world wide.

Of course I never understood why someone never realized cars traveling well over 100 mph could crash and come off the track, and that is was a terrible idea to have spectators right next to the track without any real crash barriers.

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Belafon  Nov 3, 2016 • 5:58:38pm

re: #341 Ziggy_TARDIS

If we could have proper childcare in this country, that was affordable, the birth rate would rise.

Not entirely sure about that, but properly funded childcare would ultimately cost less than our system of children being raised in poorer families.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Nov 3, 2016 • 5:59:29pm

re: #342 Targetpractice

Sam Wang actually made a comment on this.

If you want an estimate that uses national polls, see The Upshot. I’m a little concerned that FiveThirtyEight’s code double-counts (i.e. overcounts) the swings in national and state polls. They’ve been a bit underconfident and volatile.

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fern01  Nov 3, 2016 • 5:59:38pm

re: #1 gocart mozart

Call the FBI

Not sure any democrats would want to be doing that.

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weave  Nov 3, 2016 • 6:00:05pm

re: #330 Varek Raith

I’m looking forward to reading Silver’s site after the election.

He seems to be setting himself up for a position of no matter what happens he can claim he was right sort of thing. I’m half (pun intended) expecting the chances to be 50/50 come election day.

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Brian J.  Nov 3, 2016 • 6:01:18pm

re: #95 ObserverArt

Sounds like Ohio in 2004.

Could you get a feel from the others in line which way they may be leaning?

Texas early voting has been off the hook this year, as the cool kids say. Travis County has had 304,808 early votes by mail and in person through yesterday. By comparison, in 2012, the entire Presidential turnout was 387,057 voters.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Nov 3, 2016 • 6:02:00pm

I am incredibly tempted to write something on having Dems jump to McMullin in Utah.

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goddamnedfrank  Nov 3, 2016 • 6:02:29pm

I agree, there’s loads about her I think the average woman would find deeply off-putting.

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Barefoot Grin  Nov 3, 2016 • 6:02:56pm

Maybe a reason not to use melatonin as a sleep aid: last night I dreamed that Rudy Giuliani was talking to my wife in our rural rental house about how it would be best should we move out right away, when I came up from the cellar. Then he turned to me and said “oh, so you’re here, can I get a beer?” I gave him one, and then he said that the town had already decided that that our house (a rental) had to go and that we were not to look for another rental in that town. And we had to be out by the end of the day. I woke up in a sweat because it was so real, even though the only commonality is that we are renting right now. And it’s not a stand-alone house. And what the fuck was that ghoul doing in my dreams!!

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FormerDirtDart  Nov 3, 2016 • 6:03:40pm

I almost passed this up…

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teleskiguy  Nov 3, 2016 • 6:03:40pm

re: #350 Ziggy_TARDIS

Dude, no. McMulllin doesn’t share any of the values espoused by the Democratic Party.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 3, 2016 • 6:03:51pm
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Brian J.  Nov 3, 2016 • 6:04:15pm

re: #350 Ziggy_TARDIS

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I am incredibly tempted to write something on having Dems jump to McMullin in Utah.

Monmouth came out with a poll today showing McMullin sinking into third (T 37, C 31, M 24).

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Belafon  Nov 3, 2016 • 6:04:17pm

re: #350 Ziggy_TARDIS

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I am incredibly tempted to write something on having Dems jump to McMullin in Utah.

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Barefoot Grin  Nov 3, 2016 • 6:05:01pm

re: #355 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 3, 2016 • 6:05:23pm

re: #353 FormerDirtDart

I almost passed this up…

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I need to borrow that lizard for a minute or so…

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bratwurst  Nov 3, 2016 • 6:05:43pm

re: #355 Backwoods_Sleuth

Not sure if this is a broken clock moment, or merely a case of a blind squirrel finding a nut.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Nov 3, 2016 • 6:06:13pm

re: #349 Brian J.

Texas early voting has been off the hook this year, as the cool kids say. Travis County has had 304,808 early votes by mail and in person through yesterday. By comparison, in 2012, the entire Presidential turnout was 387,057 voters.

Early voting is really catching on. I don’t think the pollsters are hip to it. They’re polling “likely voters”, they’ll ask if you’re planning to vote, if you’ve already voted, you’ll say “no”. Click. Early voters tilt Democratic, they poll the residue, polls “narrow”.

That’s my story and I’m sticking to it.

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Belafon  Nov 3, 2016 • 6:06:47pm

re: #360 bratwurst

Not sure if this is a broken clock moment, or merely a case of a blind squirrel finding a nut.

If that nut has the oval marked “Clinton/Kaine” filled in, then I’ll take it.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Nov 3, 2016 • 6:07:07pm

re: #354 teleskiguy

True, but if the Republican party is going to descend into hell, there needs to be a good opposition to keep the country healthy. I personally think the Mormons could be the start of it.

At the least, If the Mormons protest by the ballot box, it might start to help to drag the Republicans back to sanity.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 3, 2016 • 6:07:12pm

re: #350 Ziggy_TARDIS

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I am incredibly tempted to write something on having Dems jump to McMullin in Utah.

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goddamnedfrank  Nov 3, 2016 • 6:07:16pm

re: #346 Ziggy_TARDIS

Sam Wang actually made a comment on this.

That’s the combination of t-distribution mixed with his trendline adjustment. Nate is tuning directly into the biggest source of meaningless noise, which is ironic since he wrote a whole book titled The Signal and the Noise. He knows damned well what he’s doing, he redesigned his model this year exactly so it would be this reactive and want to pull towards a horserace.

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Big Beautiful Door  Nov 3, 2016 • 6:07:23pm

re: #350 Ziggy_TARDIS

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I am incredibly tempted to write something on having Dems jump to McMullin in Utah.

Not a good idea. Most recent polls have McMullin fading. Best bet is to vote for Clinton and hope that McMullin takes enough GOP votes to allow her to pull off the upset.

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Targetpractice  Nov 3, 2016 • 6:07:33pm

re: #346 Ziggy_TARDIS

Sam Wang actually made a comment on this.

And a glance at The Upshot shows that 538 is pretty much the odd man out, with most other models showing Hillary’s chances at 70% or better. So either Nate is somehow tapped into some vein of uncertainty that others are missing or his model is seriously out of whack. My money is still that he’s written his model this year to overemphasize the negative and downplay the positive in order to generate traffic. Because ESPN has signaled that sites that don’t pull their own weight will be circular-filed and it’s a long 2 years until the midterms.

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ObserverArt  Nov 3, 2016 • 6:08:15pm

re: #350 Ziggy_TARDIS

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I am incredibly tempted to write something on having Dems jump to McMullin in Utah.

I would suggest against it. There is always the chance that many who are saying they are voting for McMullin could decide against it at the last minute and swing to Hillary. Especially the women of the state.

Also, the more the national actual vote tally is for Hillary over Trump the better for many reasons.

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FormerDirtDart  Nov 3, 2016 • 6:08:39pm

When a jug of regular just won’t do…

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Targetpractice  Nov 3, 2016 • 6:09:06pm

re: #361 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Early voting is really catching on. I don’t think the pollsters are hip to it. They’re polling “likely voters”, they’ll ask if you’re planning to vote, if you’ve already voted, you’ll say “no”. Click. Early voters tilt Democratic, they poll the residue, polls “narrow”.

That’s my story and I’m sticking to it.

That’s a good theory, that as the era of early-voting comes in and phone-polling begins to decline, polls will narrow as fewer people are responding and a large number of those who are have already voted.

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teleskiguy  Nov 3, 2016 • 6:09:17pm

re: #363 Ziggy_TARDIS

Do you know what Mormons stand for politically? They’d outlaw homosexuality and alcohol if they had the power. The less power the Mormons have politically the better.

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plansbandc  Nov 3, 2016 • 6:09:29pm

re: #367 Targetpractice

Too bad. He, along with you guys, helped keep me (relatively) sane during the last Presidential election.

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EPR-radar  Nov 3, 2016 • 6:09:35pm

re: #350 Ziggy_TARDIS

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I am incredibly tempted to write something on having Dems jump to McMullin in Utah.

Don’t. Trump must be opposed. Voting 3rd party simply half-asses the job of opposing Trump, and should not be encouraged.

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ObserverArt  Nov 3, 2016 • 6:10:06pm

re: #351 goddamnedfrank

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I agree, there’s loads about her I think the average woman would find deeply off-putting.

Speaking off a script like a mechanical robot under the orders of the husband and following the script might just do that. It smacks of control.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Nov 3, 2016 • 6:10:18pm

For a healthy democracy, you need healthy parties. We have one, which by demographics could end up being causing a Dominant Party state similar to Mexico for most of the last century.

However, that caused a large number of problems, some of which Mexico is still dealing with now.

The Democrats need a decent, healthy opposition, if only to keep us honest and on our toes.

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Charles Johnson  Nov 3, 2016 • 6:10:51pm

re: #325 thedopefishlives

Speaking of which, whatever happened to the Rage Furby? Did his new account get banhammered?

Yep. He got suspended the following morning.

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EPR-radar  Nov 3, 2016 • 6:11:05pm

re: #365 goddamnedfrank

That’s the combination of t-distribution mixed with his trendline adjustment. Nate is tuning directly into the biggest source of meaningless noise, which is ironic since he wrote a whole book titled The Signal and the Noise. He knows damned well what he’s doing, he redesigned his model this year exactly so it would be this reactive and want to pull towards a horserace.

Nate Silver’s model is starting to sound like a statistical version of differentiating noise. That’s never a good idea.

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MsJ  Nov 3, 2016 • 6:11:44pm

re: #322 The Vicious Babushka

WOW.

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Targetpractice  Nov 3, 2016 • 6:11:57pm

re: #372 plansbandc

Too bad. He, along with you guys, helped keep me (relatively) sane during the last Presidential election.

Don’t worry, Nate will either take his show to another (lesser) outlet or (more likely) somebody will replace him as the newest “most accurate pollster.” Silver’s not unique, he’s just more familiar because of a string of accurate predictions. But after this year, unless everybody else is way off the mark, then he’s gonna lose a lot of fame.

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Big Beautiful Door  Nov 3, 2016 • 6:12:31pm

re: #367 Targetpractice

And a glance at The Upshot shows that 538 is pretty much the odd man out, with most other models showing Hillary’s chances at 70% or better. So either Nate is somehow tapped into some vein of uncertainty that others are missing or his model is seriously out of whack. My money is still that he’s written his model this year to overemphasize the negative and downplay the positive in order to generate traffic. Because ESPN has signaled that sites that don’t pull their own weight will be circular-filed and it’s a long 2 years until the midterms.

I disagree. Based on the recent polling, its not at all unreasonable to believe that Trump has about one-chance-in-three of winning, despite how uncomfortable that makes us. We need to be stressed that there is a distinct possibility that Trump could win this thing, dog forbid.

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Belafon  Nov 3, 2016 • 6:13:05pm

re: #375 Ziggy_TARDIS

For a healthy democracy, you need healthy parties. We have one, which by demographics could end up being causing a Dominant Party state similar to Mexico for most of the last century.

However, that caused a large number of problems, some of which Mexico is still dealing with now.

The Democrats need a decent, healthy opposition, if only to keep us honest and on our toes.

And right now, the only way to create that party is to keep making it lose, until it does it’s time in the forest so they can reflect on who they are as a party. One of the big reasons they are acting this way (beyond the misogyny and racism) is because they control 3/5 of the states but cannot win the presidency. Since we don’t want them to win the presidency, we need to make them lose enough of the states that they have to change.

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goddamnedfrank  Nov 3, 2016 • 6:13:16pm

re: #365 goddamnedfrank

For the record I do think Sam Wang is being WAY too certain in forecasting 97 to 99% odds of a Clinton win. That kind of certainty about a phenomena with this few iterations seems unwarranted. OTOH when you just look at state polling like he does and you see the firewall Clinton has at 272 EV it makes a certain amount of sense. NYT Upshot is probably the best compromise between that and whatever the fuck kind of game Silver is playing.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Nov 3, 2016 • 6:13:33pm

re: #371 teleskiguy

I honestly have begun to give Mormons a bit of leeway. A good number of Mormons did start to defend Muslims and Hispanics from Trump’s attacks, and got blasted for it.

They may have goofy beliefs from my perspective, but thinking back, Mormons were some of the nicest people in Colorado Springs to me, and I think they are very good people.

I was wrong for my previous hate on Mormons. To any on here, I apologize.

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ObserverArt  Nov 3, 2016 • 6:13:46pm

re: #355 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Does this mean that Susie Sarandon might think of following her former partner? /

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Charles Johnson  Nov 3, 2016 • 6:13:48pm
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thedopefishlives  Nov 3, 2016 • 6:14:19pm

re: #377 EPR-radar

Nate Silver’s model is starting to sound like a statistical version of differentiating noise. That’s never a good idea.

His explanation is that the large number of undecideds are making the model particularly unstable this year. I’m questioning just how many undecideds there can be at this point. The election is in less than a week, and thanks to the power of the Internet, all the deciding information has been highly publicized.

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goddamnedfrank  Nov 3, 2016 • 6:14:22pm

re: #377 EPR-radar

Nate Silver’s model is starting to sound like a statistical version of differentiating noise. That’s never a good idea.

Exactly. He’s digging through the shit for undigested peanuts and treating them like gold nuggets.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Nov 3, 2016 • 6:14:47pm

re: #371 teleskiguy

Do you know what Mormons stand for politically? They’d outlaw homosexuality and alcohol if they had the power. The less power the Mormons have politically the better.

You know I don’t know exactly when I realized that there were still Mormons running around in the 20th century, but I know I was well out of High School. Their increasing prominence, especially politically, is a troubling development.

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goddamnedfrank  Nov 3, 2016 • 6:14:57pm

re: #387 goddamnedfrank

Exactly. He’s digging through the shit for undigested peanuts and treating them like gold nuggets.

You’re welcome for that btw.

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Brian J.  Nov 3, 2016 • 6:15:44pm

re: #383 Ziggy_TARDIS

I honestly have begun to give Mormons a bit of leeway. A good number of Mormons did start to defend Muslims and Hispanics from Trump’s attacks, and got blasted for it.

They may have goofy beliefs from my perspective, but thinking back, Mormons were some of the nicest people in Colorado Springs to me, and I think they are very good people.

I was wrong for my previous hate on Mormons. To any on here, I apologize.

The Mormons I have known personally have pretty much all been good people, and I never got the feeling that they were into theocracy. Of course, I’ve never spent much time in SLC or the other areas where they predominate, and I don’t know how far they’ve followed the rest of white American Christianity into the worship of gleichschaltung.

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FormerDirtDart  Nov 3, 2016 • 6:15:46pm
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Targetpractice  Nov 3, 2016 • 6:15:57pm

re: #380 Big Beautiful Door

I disagree. Based on the recent polling, its not at all unreasonable to believe that Trump has about one-chance-in-three of winning, despite how uncomfortable that makes us. We need to be stressed that there is a distinct possibility that Trump could win this thing, dog forbid.

And again I’ll say that confidence is not complacency. I don’t discount that there is the chance that Trump could still win, but I do doubt that his chances are as great as Nate is predicting. To give an idea, Nate is the only guy of the pollsters on The Upshot who is saying that Trump has a better than 20% chance of winning New Hampshire.

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BeachDem  Nov 3, 2016 • 6:16:11pm

re: #317 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Roger Stone is mentioned in the article.

But of course he is.

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DC_Run  Nov 3, 2016 • 6:16:32pm

I’m a fan of the theory that early voting is throwing off the polls. Also, it seems like there are less polls this time around and the ones that are there feel sketchy. Maybe it just wishful thinking on my part.

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Charles Johnson  Nov 3, 2016 • 6:16:50pm
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teleskiguy  Nov 3, 2016 • 6:17:19pm

re: #383 Ziggy_TARDIS

I grew up and still live in western Colorado. I know *a lot* of Mormons and Mormon families. They are all good people. They all would also happily like to see politicians roll back many civil liberties for many vulnerable minorities that people have fought so hard for (ie LGBT, non-religious folk).

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Targetpractice  Nov 3, 2016 • 6:17:33pm

re: #386 thedopefishlives

His explanation is that the large number of undecideds are making the model particularly unstable this year. I’m questioning just how many undecideds there can be at this point. The election is in less than a week, and thanks to the power of the Internet, all the deciding information has been highly publicized.

I think many of the “undecideds” are the “independents” of this year in that they’ve made up their minds, they’re just unwilling to admit who they’ve decided upon. As much as we may not like it, there are those who still fear the social stigma of being viewed as pulling for Hillary.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Nov 3, 2016 • 6:18:41pm

Meanwhile, in the Philippines….

Muslim rebel leader Nur Misuari meets with Philippines president Rodrigo Duterte in Malacañang Palace after receiving a reprieve from previous crimes of rebellion.

Nur here has a history of spreading chaos and trouble, including that minor rebellion in Malaysia a few years back.

I think Duterte will end up coup-ed before his constitutional term in office is up.

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DC_Run  Nov 3, 2016 • 6:19:33pm

re: #396 teleskiguy

I grew up and still live in western Colorado. I know *a lot* of Mormons and Mormon families. They are all good people. They all would also happily like to see politicians roll back many civil liberties for many vulnerable minorities that people have fought so hard for (ie LGBT, non-religious folk).

I agree. I’m new in Colorado and haven’t had much contact with Mormons in my life before now (I’m 40), but the ones I have met seem normal. Not at all what I was imagining.

Edit: my spelling is atrocious when in my phone

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teleskiguy  Nov 3, 2016 • 6:19:51pm

A good friend to have is an ex-Mormon. I swear my ex-Mormon friends are absolute fun hogs!

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Joe Bacon  Nov 3, 2016 • 6:20:06pm

re: #303 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Jim is freaking clueless.

What else would you expect from a right wing Pulpit Pimp?

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Big Beautiful Door  Nov 3, 2016 • 6:20:11pm

re: #392 Targetpractice

And again I’ll say that confidence is not complacency. I don’t discount that there is the chance that Trump could still win, but I do doubt that his chances are as great as Nate is predicting. To give an idea, Nate is the only guy of the pollsters on The Upshot who is saying that Trump has a better than 20% chance of winning New Hampshire.

Well there are recent polls by well graded pollsters showing Trump tied or in the lead, so I can’t see how anyone could say that estimating that Trump has a 35% chance of winning the state is completely off-base. N.H. is small, so it doesn’t take many voters to flip it, and its electorate is very elastic, and its also very white.

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Targetpractice  Nov 3, 2016 • 6:20:14pm

Think it also helps that we remember that Nate was viewed as so accurate in 2012 in part because he wasn’t following a mistake some pollsters were doing in assuming that the 2010 “wave” election meant the 2012 electorate would be far whiter than 2008 had been, that minority voters had their “win” in 2008 and would not feel compelled to get out there to support Obama’s reelection.

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FormerDirtDart  Nov 3, 2016 • 6:20:19pm
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PhillyPretzel  Nov 3, 2016 • 6:20:34pm

re: #322 The Vicious Babushka

Very well done. Hopefully that will get people to vote. :)

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Nov 3, 2016 • 6:20:35pm

re: #390 Brian J.

Utah is red, but it acts weird economically. They definitely put down money on infrastructure and education, making them one of the best states in the Union in terms of development, and their policies in regards to the Homeless are better than most Blue States (Hawaii, you especially).

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Decatur Deb  Nov 3, 2016 • 6:21:14pm

re: #380 Big Beautiful Door

I disagree. Based on the recent polling, its not at all unreasonable to believe that Trump has about one-chance-in-three of winning, despite how uncomfortable that makes us. We need to be stressed that there is a distinct possibility that Trump could win this thing, dog forbid.

If a model is satisfactory when it makes you feel good, and unsatisfactory when it bums you out, you are not looking for enlightenment.

HRC is ahead by 2. She has always been ahead by 2. She will be ahead by 2 all the way through her re-election. Because that is the number that prevents paralysis.

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teleskiguy  Nov 3, 2016 • 6:21:59pm

re: #399 DC_Run

I agree. I’m new in Colorado and haven’t had much contact with Mormans in my life before now (I’m 40), but the ones I have met seem normal. Not at all what I was imagining.

I’d say 98% of mainline Mormons are good decent people who would give the shirt off their back to help their friends and neighbors in need. They also have some wacky beliefs and are quite harsh with apostates.

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FormerDirtDart  Nov 3, 2016 • 6:22:35pm
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DC_Run  Nov 3, 2016 • 6:23:13pm

Anecdotally, I work in the medical field and most of my co-workers are women. They seem all in for Trump. There are a couple who don’t say much when politics come up and I suspect that they are too afraid to say they are voting for Hillary but the rest are giving full-throated support to Trump. It bewildering to me.

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Charles Johnson  Nov 3, 2016 • 6:23:15pm
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worldknot  Nov 3, 2016 • 6:23:48pm

Unless you’re making or taking bets—and there are other sites for that—I don’t see what purpose there is to Nate Silver’s percentage forecasts. Come November 9, we can only judge him on his popular vote estimates and whether he colored the map correctly.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Nov 3, 2016 • 6:24:02pm

Man, I wish we could have an Obama Third Term.

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FormerDirtDart  Nov 3, 2016 • 6:24:23pm
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Ziggy_TARDIS  Nov 3, 2016 • 6:24:41pm

re: #410 DC_Run

What state are you in?

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PhillyPretzel  Nov 3, 2016 • 6:24:42pm

re: #413 Ziggy_TARDIS

I agree. That would end a lot of problems.

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jaunte  Nov 3, 2016 • 6:25:31pm

“…I’m brave, I’m financially brave, big deal.”

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Belafon  Nov 3, 2016 • 6:25:48pm

re: #361 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Early voting is really catching on. I don’t think the pollsters are hip to it. They’re polling “likely voters”, they’ll ask if you’re planning to vote, if you’ve already voted, you’ll say “no”. Click. Early voters tilt Democratic, they poll the residue, polls “narrow”.

That’s my story and I’m sticking to it.

A possible way to test this would be to look at polls in states that aren’t doing early voting versus those that are. If polls are tightening faster in early voting states (which includes the three largest states), then we could attribute it to those voters not being counted properly.

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Big Beautiful Door  Nov 3, 2016 • 6:25:53pm

re: #413 Ziggy_TARDIS

Man, I wish we could have an Obama Third Term.

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He would have crushed Trump like the bug he is.

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Reality Based Steve  Nov 3, 2016 • 6:27:26pm

re: #32 Backwoods_Sleuth

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We used to have a saying for people like the one with the “Grab by the P@@@@y” shirt.

He ain’t had P@@@@@ since P@@@@@ had him.

RBS

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Nov 3, 2016 • 6:28:20pm

re: #419 Big Beautiful Door

He’s the best President since at least Eisenhower (Who is in my Top 10).

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FormerDirtDart  Nov 3, 2016 • 6:28:37pm

I’m amazed there is any foil left on the store shelves…

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Nov 3, 2016 • 6:29:34pm

re: #419 Big Beautiful Door

He would have crushed Trump like the bug he is.

Bill Clinton would have easily won a third term, wouldn’t have scoffed at the warning about bin Laden, we’d be living in a different world now.

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fern01  Nov 3, 2016 • 6:29:35pm

re: #218 Backwoods_Sleuth

[Embedded content] “Clinton’s motorcade just passed Mr. Trump’s motorcade on the tarmac at Raleigh-Durham” airport

So Trump gets his title but Sec Clinton does not.

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DC_Run  Nov 3, 2016 • 6:29:41pm

re: #415 Ziggy_TARDIS

Colorado. I moved here from Delaware in April. The Western Slope was a culture shock because all I knew of CO was from the 3 years I spent at Ft.Carson. It’s very different here.

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ObserverArt  Nov 3, 2016 • 6:30:22pm

re: #394 DC_Run

I’m a fan of the theory that early voting is throwing off the polls. Also, it seems like there are less polls this time around and the ones that are there feel sketchy. Maybe it just wishful thinking on my part.

I’m of the thinking due to the crude that surrounds this election people are a lot less likely to respond to polls. They are either going to refuse to answer or they are going to play games.

By they way…welcome to the Lizard Lair! Saw our welcome wagoner wrenchwench mention it earlier.

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Big Beautiful Door  Nov 3, 2016 • 6:30:49pm

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BeachDem  Nov 3, 2016 • 6:31:07pm

re: #350 Ziggy_TARDIS

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I am incredibly tempted to write something on having Dems jump to McMullin in Utah.

NO! We need every fucking vote we can get. We need to roll up the biggest number of popular votes possible. It’s not a good time for rat-fucking.

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DC_Run  Nov 3, 2016 • 6:31:44pm

Thanks everyone for the welcome!

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jaunte  Nov 3, 2016 • 6:32:09pm

re: #427 Big Beautiful Door

Good luck, and enjoy the rest!

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PhillyPretzel  Nov 3, 2016 • 6:32:17pm

re: #427 Big Beautiful Door

I hope everything goes right. You are in my prayers.

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Big Beautiful Door  Nov 3, 2016 • 6:32:33pm

re: #424 fern01

So Trump gets his title but Sec Clinton does not.

You mean Mrs. Clinton?/////

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Decatur Deb  Nov 3, 2016 • 6:32:51pm

re: #420 Reality Based Steve

We used to have a saying for people like the one with the “Grab by the P@@@@y” shirt.

He ain’t had P@@@@@ since P@@@@@ had him.

RBS

NSFW-sh

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ObserverArt  Nov 3, 2016 • 6:33:46pm

re: #395 Charles Johnson

Charles Johnson ✔ @Green_Footballs
The amount of sheer hateful bullshit coming out of the right wing as we near the election is mind-boggling.
9:16 PM - 3 Nov 2016
10 10 Retweets 29 29 likes

Earlier I made mention this election was going to appear to be a retelling of the movie The Exorcist. Maybe all the evil spirits are growing more restless as the exorcism grows closer. Sure thing Trump is spinning his head, talking crazy shit and spewing crap more and more.

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FormerDirtDart  Nov 3, 2016 • 6:33:54pm

Real polls

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whitebeach  Nov 3, 2016 • 6:34:29pm

re: #396 teleskiguy

I grew up and still live in western Colorado. I know *a lot* of Mormons and Mormon families. They are all good people. They all would also happily like to see politicians roll back many civil liberties for many vulnerable minorities that people have fought so hard for (ie LGBT, non-religious folk).

They’d make very excellent good Germans.

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teleskiguy  Nov 3, 2016 • 6:35:07pm

re: #425 DC_Run

Colorado. I moved here from Delaware in April. The Western Slope was a culture shock because all I knew of CO was from the 3 years I spent at Ft.Carson. It’s very different here.

The Western Slope. There you go. That explains perfectly the Trump support you’re seeing. Montrose north to Grand Junction is rather conservative. Lots of gun nuts and super religious people. It gets much more bohemian up the North Fork Valley west of Delta (Hotchkiss, Paonia).

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dangerman  Nov 3, 2016 • 6:35:09pm

re: #427 Big Beautiful Door

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Will you be known as “smaller beautiful door”?

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EPR-radar  Nov 3, 2016 • 6:35:13pm

re: #383 Ziggy_TARDIS

I honestly have begun to give Mormons a bit of leeway. A good number of Mormons did start to defend Muslims and Hispanics from Trump’s attacks, and got blasted for it.

They may have goofy beliefs from my perspective, but thinking back, Mormons were some of the nicest people in Colorado Springs to me, and I think they are very good people.

I was wrong for my previous hate on Mormons. To any on here, I apologize.

On the other hand, the Mormon church funneled large amounts of money into California to support that evil proposition 8.

It’s complicated, and I’m much more willing to give individual Mormons a pass on this stuff than their church leaders.

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dangerman  Nov 3, 2016 • 6:35:44pm

re: #429 DC_Run

Thanks everyone for the welcome!

Snacks. You brought em right? I didn’t check

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Reality Based Steve  Nov 3, 2016 • 6:35:49pm

re: #433 Decatur Deb

You chose poorly.

RBS

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Stanley Sea  Nov 3, 2016 • 6:36:17pm

re: #427 Big Beautiful Door

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scottslemmons  Nov 3, 2016 • 6:36:20pm

The Heritage Foundation is demanding no more Democratic Supreme Court Justices ever.

Not a big surprise, really, but as I saw mentioned on Twitter, it’s going to be the GOP’s founding principle in mere days.

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DC_Run  Nov 3, 2016 • 6:36:36pm

re: #437 teleskiguy

Haha! Live in Grand Junction, work in Fruita.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Nov 3, 2016 • 6:36:42pm

re: #423 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

From reading The Commission, Clinton was well-aware and worried about Al-Qaeda. Behind the scenes, it was a big deal.

Either Clinton or Gore likely would have had it foiled, whether by purpose or by accident (Like what happened with the Bojinka Plot).

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Kryptik in Mourning  Nov 3, 2016 • 6:37:26pm

re: #443 scottslemmons

The Heritage Foundation is demanding no more Democratic Supreme Court Justices ever.

Not a big surprise, really, but as I saw mentioned on Twitter, it’s going to be the GOP’s founding principle in mere days.

Why doesn’t the GOP just be honest and adopt platform language stating that any office holder that isn’t Republican is inherently illegitimate and treasonous? Be honest with your batshittery.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Nov 3, 2016 • 6:37:33pm

re: #425 DC_Run

Depending on what county you are in, things can get ass-backwards in a hurry, with El Paso being the biggest offender.

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DC_Run  Nov 3, 2016 • 6:38:37pm

re: #440 dangerman

Damn! I knew I forgot something. I might have enough Pyramid Apricot Ale to share. Depends on how well I’m able to deal with this election.

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teleskiguy  Nov 3, 2016 • 6:38:42pm

re: #444 DC_Run

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DC_Run  Nov 3, 2016 • 6:40:19pm

re: #449 teleskiguy

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Haven’t been around long enough for private comments!

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dangerman  Nov 3, 2016 • 6:40:57pm

re: #448 DC_Run

Damn! I knew I forgot something. I might have enough Pyramid Apricot Ale to share. Depends on how well I’m able to deal with this election.

As long as it’s enough for everybody

(And be careful when they ask you about pizza)

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teleskiguy  Nov 3, 2016 • 6:41:06pm

re: #450 DC_Run

Really, huh. You tried clicking on it?

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DC_Run  Nov 3, 2016 • 6:42:54pm

re: #452 teleskiguy

Yeah. There is a two week wait. I get it. If anyone could just join and read it wouldn’t be private much.

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scottslemmons  Nov 3, 2016 • 6:44:02pm

re: #422 FormerDirtDart

I’m amazed there is any foil left on the store shelves…

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Since it’s always projection with these guys, we should take it as confirmation that the Oathkeepers plan to shoot a hell of a lot of people over the next few weeks.

Just lone wolves, though, maybe some innocent freedom-loving protesting. White people don’t do terrorism.

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teleskiguy  Nov 3, 2016 • 6:45:01pm

re: #453 DC_Run

I thought that you had to post 10 comments. Huh. I didn’t get the memo about the two week wait.

Anyhoo, basically the comment was identifying a user who lives in Fruita and where I live. There’s other Lizards (as we call ourselves at LGF) close by!

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A wild WITHAK appeared!  Nov 3, 2016 • 6:45:46pm

re: #451 dangerman

As long as it’s enough for everybody

(And be careful when they ask you about pizza)

Everybody’s favorite!

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teleskiguy  Nov 3, 2016 • 6:46:39pm

re: #456 A wild WITHAK appeared!

With jalapeños!

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ObserverArt  Nov 3, 2016 • 6:47:17pm

re: #427 Big Beautiful Door

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Good luck and I wish you success!

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FormerDirtDart  Nov 3, 2016 • 6:47:30pm

re: #457 teleskiguy

With jalapeños!

That’s the trifecta

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A wild WITHAK appeared!  Nov 3, 2016 • 6:47:55pm

re: #457 teleskiguy

With jalapeños!

Damn, now I went and made myself hungry.

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Shiplord Kirel  Nov 3, 2016 • 6:48:36pm

Good webpage about the 1955 Lemans disaster.
Just How Horrifying Was The Worst Crash In Motorsports, Le Mans ‘55?

There were a lot of cameras at the scene and the incident was extensively recorded on film. Some of the footage is almost unbelievably horrifying. I had never seen this clip before. It shows the collision on the track and Levegh’s Mercedes going airborne and heading straight for the cameraman. It cuts off early for the very good reason that the man dropped his camera and fled for his life. He survived.

Le Mans 1955 Disaster: How it happened

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William Lewis  Nov 3, 2016 • 6:48:55pm

re: #451 dangerman

As long as it’s enough for everybody

(And be careful when they ask you about pizza)

Just be sure to order canadian bacon and pineapple.

< whistle’s innocently >

What? It’s my favorite. 8-)

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teleskiguy  Nov 3, 2016 • 6:49:52pm

re: #444 DC_Run

Haha! Live in Grand Junction, work in Fruita.

Another thing to understand about Grand Junction is it had a booming energy sector for a number of years starting in the late 90s until the crash of ‘08. That brought in your roughneck well workers for a long time, and that has made for rather conservative politics.

If you ever need to get away but need to stay close, Palisade is a lovely little town just west of you on Highway 6.

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DC_Run  Nov 3, 2016 • 6:50:16pm

re: #455 teleskiguy

Oh, I know. I lurked for a ridiculously long time. So long that I’m embarrassed to admit it. I also used to post rarely back around 08.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Nov 3, 2016 • 6:50:33pm

re: #462 William Lewis

Just be sure to order canadian bacon and pineapple.

< whistle’s innocently >

What? It’s my favorite. 8-)

My only objection is the same one I have for fresh tomato (is that still a thing?)—it makes the crust soggy.

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PhillyPretzel  Nov 3, 2016 • 6:50:36pm

OT This SEPTA strike is really cutting into my online time. Let me start with that I have to walk 2 miles to get to the nearest station. Second the advance information said that all forms of prepaid fares (weekly and monthly transpasses) would be honored. Not in my case since the closest station Cheltenham is outside the city. It is one block out side of Philly. The closest inside the city station is 5 miles away. Next because of the Transport Workers Union decision to stop all traffic out of Wayne Junction trains are late or cancelled. So far out of three days I have come home on time once. For personal reasons I hope this strike gets settled fast.

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DC_Run  Nov 3, 2016 • 6:52:04pm

re: #463 teleskiguy

I’ve bought a lot of wine there! It was one of the first places my gf took me to when I moved.

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William Lewis  Nov 3, 2016 • 6:52:39pm

re: #465 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

My only objection is the same one I have for fresh tomato (is that still a thing?)—it makes the crust soggy.

At home I like to precook the crust a bit and then put the pineapple on top of the cheese layer. Avoids that problem.

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teleskiguy  Nov 3, 2016 • 6:53:32pm

re: #467 DC_Run

I’ve bought a lot of wine there! It was one of the first places my gf took me to when I moved.

You participate in winter sports? Affordable skiing and snowboarding up at Powderhorn. I’ll be skiing there a few days this winter, great little area.

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dangerman  Nov 3, 2016 • 6:53:45pm

re: #468 William Lewis

At home I like to precook the crust a bit and then put the pineapple on top of the cheese layer. Avoids that problem.

Leaving off the pineapple avoids that problem

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The Vicious Babushka  Nov 3, 2016 • 6:53:48pm

re: #414 FormerDirtDart

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“Financially brave!”

With other people’s money.

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MsJ  Nov 3, 2016 • 6:54:17pm

re: #359 Backwoods_Sleuth

I need to borrow that lizard for a minute or so…

I was soooo thinking of you when I watched that!

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teleskiguy  Nov 3, 2016 • 6:54:33pm

re: #469 teleskiguy

And the mountain biking on 18 road and the Lunch Loops? Get right out of town! World class stuff.

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teleskiguy  Nov 3, 2016 • 6:55:43pm

re: #470 dangerman

Finally, some backlash to the pineapple pizza. You guys have been quiet so far. I know there’s a new thread and all …

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DC_Run  Nov 3, 2016 • 6:55:46pm

re: #469 teleskiguy

Powderhorn on the list! I haven’t skied in forever! Last time was Vermont in the mid-90s

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teleskiguy  Nov 3, 2016 • 7:01:42pm

re: #475 DC_Run

Powderhorn on the list! I haven’t skied in forever! Last time was Vermont in the mid-90s

Last time I went heli-skiing was in 2014.

teleskiguy (colored hood) heli-skiing in 2014 at Silverton Mountain, CO
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Eric The Fruit Bat  Nov 3, 2016 • 7:11:41pm

re: #427 Big Beautiful Door

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Clearly a Country For Sick Old Haters  Nov 3, 2016 • 7:15:58pm

re: #411 Charles Johnson

I think it might be more that Assange wants a Trump Presidency so the United States stops pursuing him. He’s obviously gone mad at the embassy, and if Trump is President he can safely walk out as a friend of the President of the United States. He wins big in a Trumpian dystopia.

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Clearly a Country For Sick Old Haters  Nov 3, 2016 • 7:39:31pm

re: #443 scottslemmons


They won’t, and I’ll continue to work to get people who refuse to cooperate to move on to work better suited to them. The shame is anyone run out of office for right-wing extremism will collect wingnut welfare for years.
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Kaessa  Nov 3, 2016 • 8:17:31pm

re: #450 DC_Run

He was just letting you know I live in Fruita. ;)


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A Closer Look at the Eastman State Bar DecisionTaking a few minutes away from work things to read through the Eastman decision. As I'm sure many of you know, Eastman was my law school con law professor. I knew him pretty well because I was also running in ...
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