Eric Trump Says David Duke ‘Deserves a Bullet,’ but Eric Appeared on a White Nationalist Radio Show in October

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So today, Donald Trump’s surrogate son Eric actually said, in public, that David Duke ‘deserves a bullet.’

(CNN)Eric Trump said on Thursday that former Ku Klux Klan leader David Duke deserves “a bullet.”

“Ross, it’s disgusting and by the way, if I said exactly what you said, I’d get killed for it but I think I’ll say it anyway,” the Republican nominee’s son said after host Ross Kaminsky of 630 KHOW Denver radio suggested Duke deserves a bullet to the head. “The guy does deserve a bullet. I mean, these aren’t good people. These are horrible people. In fact, I commend my father. My father’s the first Republican who’s gone out and said, ‘Listen, what’s happened to the African-American community is horrible and I’m going to take care of it.’”

OK. We don’t endorse speech that advocates violence, but at least he’s renouncing former Ku Klux Klan Grand Wizard David Duke in no uncertain terms, right?

But if he’s really this vehement about denouncing white supremacists, maybe somebody should ask Eric Trump why, less than a month ago, he gave an interview to a Tennessee radio show that’s every bit as racist as David Duke: Donald Trump’s Son Eric Appears on Radio Show With Ties to White Nationalists.

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allegro  Nov 3, 2016 • 6:46:25pm

He commends his father who refused to denounce Duke?

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Dave In Austin  Nov 3, 2016 • 6:48:14pm

Anymore, any time I see Melania Trump, the only thing I can think of is “Bring me head of Moose and Squirrel!”

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Big Beautiful Door  Nov 3, 2016 • 6:48:48pm

This is how fascists deal with their rivals in the movement, a bullet to the head. Remember the Night of the Long Knives?

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Nov 3, 2016 • 6:53:37pm

the SS vs the SA

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Shiplord Kirel  Nov 3, 2016 • 6:53:43pm

Achtung Attention Alt-right! That crocodile looks pretty hungry. Better stop petting it.

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Reality Based Steve  Nov 3, 2016 • 6:59:35pm

Donald and his spawn can publicly disown the white supremacist movement (which they do slowly and grudgingly at best), but the white supremacist movement sure aren’t disowning Trump. politicususa.com

If I could say something to Trump, it would be along this line….

When the people you call horrible people are attracted to your message, that they view you as “their candidate”, that sites like stormfront are all-in for you should tell you something if you’re willing to listen. It should tell you that your message is a message of hate, of protecting white privilige, of setting “US” vs all the “Thems” out there. It’s Fascism wrapped up in the Flag and carrying a Bible”

RBS

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unproven innocence  Nov 3, 2016 • 7:08:45pm

So much for the notion of a blind trust.

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jaunte  Nov 3, 2016 • 7:09:50pm

“The guy does deserve a bullet. I mean, these aren’t good people. These are horrible people.”

So, it’s not just the haircut that’s familiar.

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The Vicious Babushka  Nov 3, 2016 • 7:10:31pm

When Eric Trump says “David Duke deserves a bullet” it’s dog-whistle for “I’ll send him a gold-plated one with HRC engraved on it”

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William Lewis  Nov 3, 2016 • 7:13:07pm

re: #9 The Vicious Babushka

When Eric Trump says “David Duke deserves a bullet” it’s dog-whistle for “I’ll send him a gold-plated one with HRC engraved on it”

I’d argue the message he’s really sending is “Remember what happened to Ernst Röhm” when Röhm became perceived as a threat.

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teleskiguy  Nov 3, 2016 • 7:13:37pm

re: #3 Big Beautiful Door

This is how fascists deal with their rivals in the movement, a bullet to the head. Remember the Night of the Long Knives?

After WWII ended in Europe my grandfather traveled to Berlin and helped loot the place. He retrieved an actual knife used in Night of the Long Knives that belonged to an SA officer. It still has bloodstains on it to this day (my father keeps it now).

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calochortus  Nov 3, 2016 • 7:24:54pm

It’s quiet here tonight. Everyone burned out after the Cubs win last night?

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 3, 2016 • 7:25:23pm

And still the same bullshit of what horrible lives blacks live.

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goddamnedfrank  Nov 3, 2016 • 7:25:36pm
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Ziggy_TARDIS  Nov 3, 2016 • 7:27:20pm

And now the CIA is beginning to want to get involved, helping Clinton.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Nov 3, 2016 • 7:29:42pm

And I wonder if Giuliani might have a hand in the leaks.

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Interesting Times  Nov 3, 2016 • 7:29:43pm

Interesting:

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The Vicious Babushka  Nov 3, 2016 • 7:32:25pm
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mmmirele  Nov 3, 2016 • 7:33:43pm

re: #12 calochortus

It’s quiet here tonight. Everyone burned out after the Cubs win last night?

There was some racket here locally after the Cubbies won. (The team plays spring ball in a stadium here in Mesa.) Earplugs FTW.

But then you have to get up and go to work and face this sort of thing:

Inside Wells Fargo, workers say the mood is grim
money.cnn.com

and

Warren Asks If Reports Show Wells Fargo Punished Fired Workers
bloomberg.com

I found out about the articles because bank management sent out an email talking about them this afternoon. Management’s “disappointed.” I’m more than disappointed. Wells Fargo’s been part of my life since I was born (parents did/do their banking there), and I’ve worked there for 18 years. This whole thing has been devastating. I’m just glad my dad isn’t here to see it.

One of my friends passed this “joke” to me: “Tell my mother I sell meth. It’s not true but that way I don’t need to admit I work for Wells Fargo.”

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teleskiguy  Nov 3, 2016 • 7:33:46pm

Just checked Bottom Comments. Yeesh! Haven’t seen numbers that low in some time.

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calochortus  Nov 3, 2016 • 7:34:10pm

re: #18 The Vicious Babushka

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calochortus  Nov 3, 2016 • 7:36:08pm

re: #19 mmmirele

My son interviewed with Wells Fargo for a teller position a few years ago. They were quite up front about their sales goals and what not. He elected not to take the job. Smart move.

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jaunte  Nov 3, 2016 • 7:38:59pm

David Frum making a good case on The Last Word for conservatives to vote for Clinton.
Paraphrasing: She will not use the power of the State to punish enemies or enrich herself. The same cannot be said of Donald Trump.

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danarchy  Nov 3, 2016 • 7:42:12pm

re: #23 jaunte

David Frum making a good case on The Last Word for conservatives to vote for Clinton.
Paraphrasing: She will not use the power of the State to punish enemies or enrich herself. The same cannot be said of Donald Trump.

Yeah good luck convincing most Trump supporters of that. It is an article of faith that Clinton has made hundreds of millions of dollars through pay-to-play schemes

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calochortus  Nov 3, 2016 • 7:44:36pm

re: #23 jaunte

David Frum making a good case on The Last Word for conservatives to vote for Clinton.
Paraphrasing: She will not use the power of the State to punish enemies or enrich herself. The same cannot be said of Donald Trump.

Also, Trump supporters want him to use the power of the State to punish enemies. Feature not a bug, and all that.

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The Vicious Babushka  Nov 3, 2016 • 7:48:13pm

re: #24 danarchy

Yeah good luck convincing most Trump supporters of that. It is an article of faith that Clinton has made hundreds of millions of dollars through pay-to-play schemes

Everything that Trump accuses Hillary of, is SOMETHING THAT HE IS/HAS DONE.

When I point this out to wingnuts they’re like HURR HURR BUT TRUMP NEVER DID BENGHAZI!!!!11!!!

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Clearly a Country For Sick Old Haters  Nov 3, 2016 • 7:48:56pm

re: #25 calochortus

Also, Luthor supporters want him to use the power of the State to punish enemies. Feature not a bug, and all that.

Of course he’s going to punish his enemies, not theirs, and he might even see a lot of his supporters as undesirables to be dealt with to Make America Great Again too. The right wing authoritarian personality type seems to mistake the leader’s goals for their own. They’re so distrustful of the people wingnut media told them to hate, but will go along with absolutely anything from people they identify with.

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Clearly a Country For Sick Old Haters  Nov 3, 2016 • 7:49:33pm

re: #26 The Vicious Babushka

Everything that Luthor accuses Hillary of, is SOMETHING THAT HE IS/HAS DONE.

When I point this out to wingnuts they’re like HURR HURR BUT LUTHOR NEVER DID BENGHAZI!!!!11!!!

They’ve totally got you there libtard.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Nov 3, 2016 • 7:50:03pm
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Charles Johnson  Nov 3, 2016 • 7:50:46pm
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jaunte  Nov 3, 2016 • 7:50:46pm

re: #25 calochortus

Also, Trump supporters want him to use the power of the State to punish enemies. Feature not a bug, and all that.

They’re stupid enough to enjoy his breaking with accepted behavior, not imagining that eliminating “the rules” could have any effect on them.

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calochortus  Nov 3, 2016 • 7:52:15pm

re: #31 jaunte

They’re stupid enough to enjoy his breaking with accepted behavior, not imagining that eliminating “the rules” could have any effect on them.

But..but…they’re on his team, so they’ll be safe. And they’ll get to laugh at all those people who looked down on them!

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jaunte  Nov 3, 2016 • 7:53:53pm

re: #32 calochortus

Safe as a Chavista!

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The Vicious Babushka  Nov 3, 2016 • 7:55:33pm

SMOTI thinks this #Deplorable behavior is SO KEWL!

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The Vicious Babushka  Nov 3, 2016 • 7:56:28pm

If Black Clinton supporters did the same thing, SMOTI would call them thugs.

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ipsos  Nov 3, 2016 • 7:57:46pm

re: #34 The Vicious Babushka

SMOTI thinks this #Deplorable behavior is SO KEWL!

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Aren’t these the Florida cultists behind that wacky God2 website?

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Charles Johnson  Nov 3, 2016 • 8:01:19pm

re: #36 ipsos

Aren’t these the Florida cultists behind that wacky God2 website?

Yes, they are.

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The Vicious Babushka  Nov 3, 2016 • 8:01:57pm
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teleskiguy  Nov 3, 2016 • 8:02:15pm
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jaunte  Nov 3, 2016 • 8:04:37pm

re: #39 teleskiguy

It’s just bizarre, all these supposed “fiercely independent thinkers” diving right into the personality cult.

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Clearly a Country For Sick Old Haters  Nov 3, 2016 • 8:05:04pm

re: #34 The Vicious Babushka

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jaunte  Nov 3, 2016 • 8:06:16pm
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The Vicious Babushka  Nov 3, 2016 • 8:07:44pm

Is this true? Who knows! Maybe it is or maybe it isn’t!

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DC_Run  Nov 3, 2016 • 8:07:51pm

I spend way too much time on Reddit. My god! These are the people that are figuratively all around me???

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN  Nov 3, 2016 • 8:08:01pm

re: #30 Charles Johnson

Yes?

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The Vicious Babushka  Nov 3, 2016 • 8:09:52pm

re: #41 No Country For Old Haters

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The Vicious Babushka  Nov 3, 2016 • 8:12:22pm
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The Vicious Babushka  Nov 3, 2016 • 8:13:42pm

washingtonpost.com appears to be down.

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Clearly a Country For Sick Old Haters  Nov 3, 2016 • 8:14:28pm

re: #46 The Vicious Babushka

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mmmirele  Nov 3, 2016 • 8:15:59pm

re: #48 The Vicious Babushka

washingtonpost.com appears to be down.

Works for me.

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Clearly a Country For Sick Old Haters  Nov 3, 2016 • 8:18:33pm

re: #39 teleskiguy

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MsJ  Nov 3, 2016 • 8:18:44pm

re: #44 DC_Run

I spend way too much time on Reddit. My god! These are the people that are figuratively all around me???

Not just figuratively. I know, scary thought.

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MsJ  Nov 3, 2016 • 8:20:28pm

re: #48 The Vicious Babushka

washingtonpost.com appears to be down.

Yup.

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Mattand  Nov 3, 2016 • 8:22:50pm

re: #44 DC_Run

I spend way too much time on Reddit. My god! These are the people that are figuratively all around me???

I’ve always viewed Reddit as the slightly more literate version of 4Chan. How off base am I?

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William Lewis  Nov 3, 2016 • 8:25:31pm

re: #54 Mattand

I’ve always viewed Reddit is the slightly more literate version of 4Chan. How off base am I?

It’s a slightly more literate version of Stormfront when you look behind the facade.

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Unshaken Defiance  Nov 3, 2016 • 8:26:59pm

re: #52 MsJ

Not just figuratively. I know, scary thought.

Neva mind Reddit. Craigslist.

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Charles Johnson  Nov 3, 2016 • 8:27:49pm

There’s a new version of the LGF Pages Dashboard coming soon. Maybe even tomorrow. Now Ajax-based and much more responsive.

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garzooma  Nov 3, 2016 • 8:28:25pm

re: #23 jaunte

David Frum making a good case on The Last Word for conservatives to vote for Clinton.
Paraphrasing: She will not use the power of the State to punish enemies or enrich herself. The same cannot be said of Donald Trump.

Frum wrote an article in the Atlantic on this.

I found the following sobering:

The lesson Trump has taught is not only that certain Republican dogmas have passed out of date, but that American democracy itself is much more vulnerable than anyone would have believed only 24 months ago. Incredibly, a country that—through wars and depression—so magnificently resisted the authoritarian temptations of the mid-20th century has half-yielded to a more farcical version of that same threat without any of the same excuse. The hungry and houseless Americans of the Great Depression sustained a constitutional republic. How shameful that the Americans of today—so vastly better off in so many ways, despite their undoubted problems—have done so much less well.

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jaunte  Nov 3, 2016 • 8:29:47pm

Paul Waldman:

“…It’s important to understand that strong institutions are what separate strong democracies from weak ones. In a strong democracy, one party can’t come into power and just lock up its opponents. It can’t turn the country’s law enforcement agencies into a partisan tool to destroy the other party. It can’t say that the courts will function only at its pleasure. We have the world’s most stable system not just because there aren’t tanks in the streets on election day, but because we have institutions that are strong enough to restrain the venality of individual men and women. And now, Republicans are not even pretending that those institutions should be impartial and transcend partisanship. They’re saying, if we can use them to destroy our opponents, we will. Something is seriously breaking down.”
washingtonpost.com

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Mattand  Nov 3, 2016 • 8:31:17pm

re: #58 garzooma

Fuck Donald Trump for making David Frum look reasonable.

Also, fuck David Frum for helping make Donald Trump possible.

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freetoken  Nov 3, 2016 • 8:32:04pm

re: #58 garzooma

Frum working to earn that money The Atlantic pays him.

What he believes I do not know. But as a decent wordsmith he can put together a short essay (but has yet to prove to me he really understands the larger picture of humanity.)

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teleskiguy  Nov 3, 2016 • 8:34:31pm
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freetoken  Nov 3, 2016 • 8:35:28pm

re: #62 teleskiguy

Back when Joe was still on the bottle, I see…

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Don't Blame Me, I Voted for Kodos  Nov 3, 2016 • 8:35:42pm

A Huffington Post writer recently went undercover to the center of the alt-right movement, and to what should be nobody’s surprise, finds it to be firmly rooted in the white nationalist movement.

One Man’s Harrowing Journey To The Center Of The Alt-Right

I went to a white nationalist ethnostate in Indiana. I got bounced from a secret meeting in D.C. I spent weeks figuring out how hate gurgles up from the nastiest recesses of the Internet. And I’m sorry to report that unconscionable racists will be a force in American politics well beyond November 8.

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MsJ  Nov 3, 2016 • 8:38:35pm

re: #56 Rightwingconspirator

Neva mind Reddit. Craigslist.

At least Craigslist serves a purpose. I got a riding lawnmower for $200. Other stuff too. So it’s not solely a sewer.

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stpaulbear  Nov 3, 2016 • 8:42:40pm

re: #50 mmmirele

Works for me.

The WaPo has been pummeling Donald. It’s not a good thing that they’re down. This may be an attack.

edit: I should have checked first. The WaPo site is available.

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Mattand  Nov 3, 2016 • 8:47:49pm

re: #66 stpaulbear

The WaPo has been pummeling Donald. It’s not a good thing that they’re down. This may be an attack.

It was working a few minutes ago. Starting to get a DDOS stank about it.

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DC_Run  Nov 3, 2016 • 8:47:59pm

re: #54 Mattand

I have a carefully curated list of subs, but t every so often (all the time), I wade into r/all and it is pretty much 4chan now. In fact, it seems to have been invaded by 4chan AND the alt-right. Maybe they were always there and I never noticed.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Nov 3, 2016 • 8:49:24pm

re: #67 Mattand

It’s working for me.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Nov 3, 2016 • 8:51:06pm

re: #69 Ziggy_TARDIS

It’s working for me.

downforeveryoneorjustme.com says it’s up.

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BeachDem  Nov 3, 2016 • 8:52:07pm

re: #18 The Vicious Babushka

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Every time I see the Neiman Marcus logo, I wonder how many nights Trump worked on his signature to try and make it resemble NM’s because he thought it looked “classy.”

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Mattand  Nov 3, 2016 • 8:55:52pm

re: #70 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

downforeveryoneorjustme.com says it’s up.

Weird. Next move: empty cache.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Nov 3, 2016 • 9:03:07pm

Nate Silver is being a dick.

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scottslemmons  Nov 3, 2016 • 9:03:11pm

re: #72 Mattand

Weird. Next move: empty cache.

I was having that problem over the last week with Gmail and Facebook. I think I ended up flushing my cache and clearing cookies.

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Unshaken Defiance  Nov 3, 2016 • 9:07:04pm

This is so fucked up.

The man who now leads “lock-her-up” chants at Trump rallies spent decades of his life as a federal prosecutor and then mayor working closely with the FBI, and especially its New York office. One of Giuliani’s security firms employed a former head of the New York FBI office, and other alumni of it. It was agents of that office, probing Anthony Weiner’s alleged sexting of a minor, who pressed Comey to authorize the review of possible Hillary Clinton-related emails on a Weiner device that led to the explosive letter the director wrote Congress.

littlegreenfootballs.com

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Belafon  Nov 3, 2016 • 9:08:08pm

re: #59 jaunte

156 years ago, conservatives attempted to leave the US in order to maintain power. Most Americans, though, don’t really understand what lengths they will go to keep power.

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Shiplord Kirel  Nov 3, 2016 • 9:30:21pm

Old man joke:

An old man in a Volvo is driving home from work when his wife rings him on his cell phone.
“Honey,” she says in a worried voice, “be careful. There was a bit on the news just now, some lunatic is driving the wrong way down the freeway.”
“It’s much worse than that,” he replies, “there are hundreds of them!”

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Single-handed sailor  Nov 3, 2016 • 9:37:42pm

Hmmmmmmm,

WND Exclusive
Rabbi sees Donald Trump ascendancy in Bible codes
Signs of an American ‘Cyrus the Great’

sounds legit/

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freetoken  Nov 3, 2016 • 9:38:32pm

re: #79 Single-handed sailor

I’m dismayed at how many times junk like that shows up on my Facebook wall…

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Dr Lizardo  Nov 3, 2016 • 9:41:38pm

So, a trailer dropped for Trainspotting 2. And it looks good. Opens next year, Danny Boyle directing.

T2 Trainspotting Official Trailer – At Cinemas January 27

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Dr Lizardo  Nov 3, 2016 • 9:41:59pm

And with that, it’s off to work.

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Nov 3, 2016 • 9:44:01pm

re: #57 Charles Johnson

There’s a new version of the LGF Pages Dashboard coming soon. Maybe even tomorrow. Now Ajax-based and much more responsive.

imagine the cumulative effect of the increased use of ajax and ajax-like technologies in cutting down the amount of bits traversing across the innertubes

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Single-handed sailor  Nov 3, 2016 • 9:46:19pm

re: #81 Dr Lizardo

So, a trailer dropped for Trainspotting 2. And it looks good. Opens next year, Danny Boyle directing.

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heh my IRC friend was excited by that. I quit watching junkie movies after Christiane F. in the 70s. He was dismayed that he was the only one in the channel that was excited about Trainspotting 2.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 3, 2016 • 9:53:27pm

re: #76 Shiplord Kirel

It’s like a porn movie with all the sexy bits edited out.

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Nov 3, 2016 • 9:54:20pm

wash post server down

??

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 3, 2016 • 9:54:57pm

re: #80 freetoken

I’m dismayed at how many times junk like that shows up on my Facebook wall…

From people who should know better no less.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 3, 2016 • 9:55:41pm

re: #86 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

wash post server down

??

Loads fine for me.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Nov 3, 2016 • 9:57:51pm

re: #88 Eclectic Cyborg

Loads fine for me.

Same here, from China no less.

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teleskiguy  Nov 3, 2016 • 9:58:06pm

WaPo is down for me.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 3, 2016 • 9:58:52pm

re: #81 Dr Lizardo

Wow, some straight up nudity in that trailer.

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Nov 3, 2016 • 10:02:17pm

re: #88 Eclectic Cyborg

Loads fine for me.

back now

some other cyber homies had the same experience

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Nov 3, 2016 • 10:14:13pm

WaPo has an interesting analysis of the dynamics of the relationship between Hillary and Putin here: washingtonpost.com

In short, Clinton does not trust Putin any farther than she can throw him, and is unlikely as president to let him get away with expansionism. So, it’s logical to assume Putin would prefer not to have Clinton win.

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Dave In Austin  Nov 3, 2016 • 10:40:53pm

Rick pissed ‘em off a bit with this one.

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freetoken  Nov 3, 2016 • 10:42:36pm

Tonights musical nostalgia is from 1947, when United Artists released a production looking back over the rise of the pop star band leaders Tommy and Jimmy Dorsey:

Fabulous Dorseys, The

Movie wise it’s a B-movie, but good music.

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piratedan  Nov 3, 2016 • 11:00:44pm

re: #94 Dave In Austin

but I’ve been assured that wikileaks earlier works PROVE that they aren’t a tool of Russia, after all, they’ve consistently been anti-American no matter who was in charge. See, that makes everything illegal that we’ve done okay. /////////////

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Single-handed sailor  Nov 3, 2016 • 11:43:21pm

heh, a reddit thread on “What major plot holes can’t you get over?”

JuBangas
In Back to the Future II, the Cubs win the World Series in 2015. However, the Cubs didn’t win until 2016. Huge plot hole. Can’t get over it.

Nate_intheory
They didn’t account for the strike in 94.

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goddamnedfrank  Nov 3, 2016 • 11:43:37pm
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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Nov 3, 2016 • 11:58:44pm

jeez that melania speech is a gift!

i think the hillary campaign should immediately make a commercial praising melania for such a wonderful speech and displaying tweets and suchlike from her husband while she is talking demonstrating that he is the biggest practitioner of the bullying she is complaining about

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goddamnedfrank  Nov 4, 2016 • 12:11:17am
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goddamnedfrank  Nov 4, 2016 • 12:16:08am

re: #99 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

jeez that melania speech is a gift!

i think the hillary campaign should immediately make a commercial praising melania for such a wonderful speech and displaying tweets and suchlike from her husband while she is talking demonstrating that he is the biggest practitioner of the bullying she is complaining about

That could really backfire. Melania is a horrible surrogate as is, but like Trump’s kids it’s best if the Clinton Campaign treats them as off limits. It contrasts well with his attacks on Bill and the comparisons are in people’s heads already. The last thing Clinton needs is people casting Melania as the victim.

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teleskiguy  Nov 4, 2016 • 12:30:33am
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Single-handed sailor  Nov 4, 2016 • 1:01:43am

When I see “Lather” I think of Jefferson Airplane’s song

Jefferson Airplane - Lather

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nickzi  Nov 4, 2016 • 1:09:39am

re: #55 William Lewis

It’s a slightly more literate version of Stormfront when you look behind the facade.

It depends what part of Reddit you choose to visit. There are plenty of good people and areas (I’ve found many of the programming discussions helpful and reasonable). And then, sadly, there are the racists, misogynists and generally repellent individuals.

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nickzi  Nov 4, 2016 • 1:13:14am

re: #98 goddamnedfrank

Nuzzi seems determined not to be fooled by either facts or reason. Of course, she is a Daily Beast “reporter”.

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Nyet  Nov 4, 2016 • 1:17:49am

Here is the thing, David Duke is a scumbag of the highest order, true, but hearing the son of a pres. candidate say that he, an American citizen on the US territory, “deserves a bullet” is creepy regardless. Lynch mob mentality.

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Nyet  Nov 4, 2016 • 1:45:17am

Had to break off the discussion yesterday, at about the same time.

re: #266 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Represented, or assumed they knew the will of the people?

If you look at the context of the comment, it’s the same thing. It’s all about the rhetoric. State for the people or the people for the state? No real contradiction, rhetorically, since “people” and “state” were two sides of the same coin.

re: #267 uncah91

Can that really be said of most WWII era communist countries? Soviet Russia went from Czar to communism through a violent revolution. I don’t think democracy was more than a fiction there?

No one claimed that democracy was real, moreover, that’s the whole point. The reality and the rhetorical plane were further apart than ever.

re: #285 Teukka

I know. What I meant was that anything deeper than a very superficial study of those events and their backstory will overall give the impression of a right-wing fascist movement, and that the left-wing hints you have feel “off” in various ways.

And I do know that fascism (in the general sense) can rise from right, left or center (which is why I don’t let my guard down ever for the warning signs), but always end up veering clearly right.

Ideologically fascism is on the right, but nothing would have prevented Hitler’s ideas from flourishing in a substrate of a Soviet-like socialist economy (at least for a time - historically, socialism hasn’t worked well). It would have been a right-wing form of socialism, if you will. Socialism doesn’t have to be internationalist or democratic. In fact, under Stalin (at the end) it was, de facto, neither.

That there (apparently) has never been “pure” fascism on a socialist basis is more of a happenstance than any kind of a definitional rule. A couple of “wrong turns” and the Stalinist system could have become full blown fascist ideologically. Stuff for alt-history fiction.

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Timothy Watson  Nov 4, 2016 • 1:50:37am

re: #105 nickzi

Nuzzi seems determined not to be fooled by either facts or reason. Of course, she is a Daily Beast “reporter”.

Who has no problems normalizing the shit that UpChuck does.

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Donkey With No Name  Nov 4, 2016 • 1:54:43am

re: #60 Mattand

Fuck Donald Trump for making David Frum look reasonable.

Also, fuck David Frum for helping make Donald Trump possible.

From Frum’s Atlantic piece:

I more or less agree with Trump on his signature issue, immigration. Two years ago, I would have rated immigration as one of the very most important issues in this election.

I’m not sure how one “more or less agree[s]” with Trump on immigration without agreeing with the anti-Hispanic and anti-Muslim rhetoric. So, while I’m glad that he’s at least grounded in reality, I’m still not thinking he’s reasonable.

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Donkey With No Name  Nov 4, 2016 • 2:01:39am

Even worse, from the Frum piece:

My party will recover to counter her agenda in Congress, moderate her nominations to the courts, and defeat her bid for re-election in 2020.

No, senior members of your party have already said that they won’t consider her nominations to the courts at all. Why does Frum insist on running this fantasy version of the Republican Party in his head, from which Trump is a weird momentary aberration? It’s too painful for him to admit that in his pursuit of “the tax cut I’d get from united Republican government,” that he has made common cause with the worst tendencies of American society? That the Congressional GOP has given up any pretense of responsible governing or interest in maintaining the Constitutional order?

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 4, 2016 • 2:11:20am

If David Duke deserves a bullet, are you also gonna cut off his dangly bits and display them in a photograph while you use his carcass to feed starving villagers?

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Big Beautiful Door  Nov 4, 2016 • 2:22:15am

re: #110 Donkey With No Name

Even worse, from the Frum piece:

No, senior members of your party have already said that they won’t consider her nominations to the courts at all. Why does Frum insist on running this fantasy version of the Republican Party in his head, from which Trump is a weird momentary aberration? It’s too painful for him to admit that in his pursuit of “the tax cut I’d get from united Republican government,” that he has made common cause with the worst tendencies of American society? That the Congressional GOP has given up any pretense of responsible governing or interest in maintaining the Constitutional order?

If the Democrats win control of the Senate, they must end or substantially reform the filibuster as to Supreme Court nominees so that the Court can be brought up to full strength.

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Timothy Watson  Nov 4, 2016 • 2:30:25am

In re Nate Silver: I saw a lot of conversation about him yesterday but was too busy to post a comment.

I can’t find the source, but I remember him saying after the 2012 election that he gave points to Mitt Romney to keep him around 10% of winning just so he had a CYA margin in case something crazy happened.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 4, 2016 • 2:34:07am

re: #113 Timothy Watson

In re Nate Silver: I saw a lot of conversation about him yesterday but was too busy to post a comment.

I can’t find the source, but I remember him saying after the 2012 election that he gave points to Mitt Romney to keep him around 10% of winning just so he had a CYA margin in case something crazy happened.

In other words, NS is a private person acting in his own interest and not some sort of Public Service.

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Nyet  Nov 4, 2016 • 2:42:55am
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William Lewis  Nov 4, 2016 • 2:57:07am

re: #115 Nyet

Heh. Which reminds me, have you read The Wages of Destruction by Adam Tooz? It’s an interesting look at how the Nazi economy failed to function and especially how they never had anywhere near enough resources to win the war.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 4, 2016 • 3:18:07am

re: #115 Nyet

history is easy when you are selective about it

being selective is easy when your idea of political discussion consists entirely of memes, tweets and talking points.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 4, 2016 • 3:19:05am

re: #116 William Lewis

Heh. Which reminds me, have you read The Wages of Destruction by Adam Tooz? It’s an interesting look at how the Nazi economy failed to function and especially how they never had anywhere near enough resources to win the war.

Hitler: “My generals do not understand the economics of war!”

Roosevelt: “Hitler does not understand a war of economy!”

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goddamnedfrank  Nov 4, 2016 • 3:22:31am
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Amory Blaine  Nov 4, 2016 • 3:24:10am

re: #106 Nyet

Here is the thing, David Duke is a scumbag of the highest order, true, but hearing the son of a pres. candidate say that he, an American citizen on the US territory, “deserves a bullet” is creepy regardless. Lynch mob mentality.

I can’t imagine hearing Jenna Bush or Chelsea saying something so irresponsible. Into the airwaves no less.

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goddamnedfrank  Nov 4, 2016 • 3:46:32am
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goddamnedfrank  Nov 4, 2016 • 3:49:47am

Play ‘The Voter Suppression Trail’

Note to viewers: “The Voter Suppression Trail” is the first-ever video game for Op-Docs, and also the final installment of our series of Op-Docs about the 2016 election. We hope you enjoy playing, and let us know what you think in the comments. —The Editors

In the 1800s, Americans made heroic journeys to settle in the West. These journeys inspired the classic computer game “The Oregon Trail,” beloved by grade school students across the country in the 1980s and ’90s.

On Nov. 8, a new generation of Americans will make their own heroic journeys — to the polls. Some paths will be more intrepid than others, particularly for blacks, Latinos and pretty much anyone who brings the kind of diversity to our polling places that they have historically lacked. Thanks to laws passed by Republicans to fight the nonexistent threat of voter fraud, the perils will be great. Long lines and voter ID laws, not to mention pro-Trump election observers, will try to keep these voters from the polls.

To celebrate these journeys, we’ve created a video game: “The Voter Suppression Trail.” Play as a white programmer from California, a Latina nurse from Texas, or a black salesman from Wisconsin. Experience the thrill of standing in line for hours at your understaffed polling place! Try to surmount voter ID laws! Avoid intimidation by Donald Trump’s election observers! Will you fend off the rhetoric of angry election “observers,” or heed calls from your boss and get out of line, or will you experience the fulfilling patriotic reward of casting a provisional ballot that will probably never be counted? Find out — play now!

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dangerman  Nov 4, 2016 • 3:54:49am

sam wang at cnn on “election anxiety”

calming takeaways - maybe i shoulda bolded the whole thing

I try to separate the drama from the data.

I noticed that no matter what happened, opinion didn’t move that much. The race has shown less variation than ever in the history of presidential polling. It made me realize that the race probably wasn’t going anywhere

the national margin between Clinton and Trump has stayed within a five-point range, from Clinton ahead by two to seven points.

Clinton is effectively ahead in the Electoral College by 3%, which means she’d have to lose that much across the board for Trump to have even odds of winning. That doesn’t sound like a lot, but the race hasn’t gotten to that point all year. It is doubtful that it will happen in the closing days.

It would be better if we had more history and less horse race in news coverage.

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goddamnedfrank  Nov 4, 2016 • 4:02:10am

Kellyanne Conway is in some ways worse than Trump, she’s an amoral mercenary who knows she’s bankrolling her retirement by normalizing an abject psychopath and enabling his promised ethnic cleansing.

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dangerman  Nov 4, 2016 • 4:04:21am

re: #124 goddamnedfrank

Kellyanne Conway is in some ways worse than Trump, she’s an amoral mercenary who knows she’s bankrolling her retirement by normalizing an abject psychopath and enabling his promised ethnic cleansing.

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she’s immoral. she knows.

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Barefoot Grin  Nov 4, 2016 • 4:10:17am

After a Saudi student was killed recently at UW-Stout in Menomonie, WI other students of color report being harassed my Trump supporters in Eau Claire. One said that those at a rally were yelling “go home,” etc. But the Kellyanne part comes from the responses to the local FB page I read: “those weren’t Trump supporters; it’s been proven that they are leftist plants!” You simply cannot explain to them that any criticism of Trump is true. They won’t accept it because the lies were allowed to go unchecked for so long, and the Conway culture of corruption continues to be enabled by our media. We really do live in parallel universes now.

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goddamnedfrank  Nov 4, 2016 • 4:13:19am

re: #125 dangerman

she’s immoral. she knows.

You’re right. I was trying to convey that she’s only motivated by money and isn’t a true believer, but amoral was the wrong word because she’s fully aware of what she’s enabling.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 4, 2016 • 4:15:44am

re: #126 Barefoot Grin

They won’t accept it because the lies were allowed to go unchecked for so long, and the Conway culture of corruption continues to be enabled by our media. We really do live in parallel universes now.

This is what a lot of Kremlin-sponsored trolling seems to be about about encouraging: they are not so much concerned with who wins the election as they are in ensuring that America is divided and conflicted. The weaker and more ineffective we are, the more free hand Putin has to pursue his own political goals.

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Barefoot Grin  Nov 4, 2016 • 4:17:12am

re: #128 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

This is what a lot of Kremlin-sponsored trolling seems to be about about encouraging: they are not so much concerned with who wins the election as they are in ensuring that America is divided and conflicted. The weaker and more ineffective we are, the more free hand Putin has to pursue his own political goals.

This is a good point. Got to keep communication going somehow.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 4, 2016 • 4:18:11am

re: #129 Barefoot Grin

This is a good point. Got to keep communication going somehow.

Hard to do when it almost entirely consists of memes, tweets and shouting.

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Emptor scriptor Remorse  Nov 4, 2016 • 4:23:56am

Damn, I love egg nog in my coffee.

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Barefoot Grin  Nov 4, 2016 • 4:26:39am

re: #130 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Hard to do when it almost entirely consists of memes, tweets and shouting.

I spend a lot of time around people who I know are Trump supporters (bumper stickers, usually) or I suspect are because the local demographic; pretty republican area. The thing is, out at the soccer field or the school concert we just don’t talk politics. I suspect a lot of us move about with our private feelings that only show up in memes and votes. The one place things can get hairy is at the local school board level. And there the issues aren’t about morality, but about budgets and taxes.

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dangerman  Nov 4, 2016 • 4:28:20am

re: #130 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Hard to do when it almost entirely consists of memes, tweets and shouting.

because for many, politics has devolved into an almost religious state in which there can only be one correct view and any dissent or mere questioning is a threat that might pull back the curtain.

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Emptor scriptor Remorse  Nov 4, 2016 • 4:29:08am

Thank you Seinfeld for making me squeamish every time I lick an envelope. (I know, what are these envelopes that you speak of?)

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dangerman  Nov 4, 2016 • 4:30:11am

re: #131 Emptor scriptor Remorse

Damn, I love egg nog in my coffee.

is it like victory?

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Emptor scriptor Remorse  Nov 4, 2016 • 4:30:46am

re: #135 dangerman

Yes, but less bitter.

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Barefoot Grin  Nov 4, 2016 • 4:32:32am

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MsJ  Nov 4, 2016 • 4:36:47am

I think this is Kurt’s big story.

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MsJ  Nov 4, 2016 • 4:39:03am
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Emptor scriptor Remorse  Nov 4, 2016 • 4:43:44am

re: #139 MsJ

I really hope ISIS doesn’t try to vote in this election.

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Barefoot Grin  Nov 4, 2016 • 4:58:18am

re: #140 Emptor scriptor Remorse

I really hope ISIS doesn’t try to vote in this election.

they can’t wear their ISIS t-shirts to the polls in New Hampshire. They can open carry, though.

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Barefoot Grin  Nov 4, 2016 • 5:09:07am

I think Sarah Kendzior’s tweets get featured here, so I’ll link to her article on the Trump-effect and the rise of White Supremacy. It has some good historical information.

thecorrespondent.com

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Timothy Watson  Nov 4, 2016 • 5:19:39am
Authorities are investigating apparent tampering with an electronic road sign at a busy Virginia commuter lot that resulted in a disparaging remark about Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton and a call for people to “Vote Trump.”

The sign at the Tackett’s Mill commuter lot in Lake Ridge flashed three consecutive message screens: “CROOKED HILARY”; followed by a profanity (“IS A B——”); followed by “VOTE TRUMP.”

The messages were on display for an unknown period Tuesday evening while commuters headed to their homes in the Virginia suburb, about 25 miles southeast of the District of Columbia.

richmond.com

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MsJ  Nov 4, 2016 • 5:20:49am
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Timothy Watson  Nov 4, 2016 • 5:26:48am

The “you can’t make this shit up” line of the DOE’s report on Penn State:

The university argued police couldn’t determine whether the interaction rose to the level of a sex offense and because it was unclear a crime occurred there was no need to log it. But the Department of Education noted campus police logged far less serious matters, including someone sleeping in a stairwell.

“In light of these entries, Penn State’s contention that the reported incident of a middle-aged man inappropriately touching an 11-year-old boy, while naked and showering with him, didn’t rise to the level for inclusion in the daily crime log strains credulity,” the Education Department wrote in its report .

wtop.com

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MsJ  Nov 4, 2016 • 5:29:18am
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MsJ  Nov 4, 2016 • 5:31:06am

Jesus. This story.

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Timothy Watson  Nov 4, 2016 • 5:32:19am

re: #147 MsJ

Jesus. This story.

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I am really getting pissed at the news stations for continuing to identify the woman and show her photograph when she is almost certainly a sexual assault/rape survivor.

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Joe Bacon  Nov 4, 2016 • 5:36:23am

And now I see on Facebook that Ginger Snapped has posted an article claiming Gloria Allred paid $500K to every woman who came forward to accuse Trump of sexual harassment.

I refuse to link to GotNews. But I saw my family plastering it on my Facebook page. Can’t take any more of their brainwashing. I unfollowed several family members. I give up on them…

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Eventual Carrion  Nov 4, 2016 • 5:36:52am

re: #146 MsJ

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She got/sent the email in 2012 and it was classified in 2016. Doesn’t that mean it wasn’t classified when she sent/received it?

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MsJ  Nov 4, 2016 • 5:38:40am

IF it was classified, it was mislabeled from the start. My understanding is classified documents and emails had something like

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CLASSIFIED
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at the top of the page, not some tiny (c) buried within.

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Timothy Watson  Nov 4, 2016 • 5:38:57am

Bundy trial aftermath. Proseuctors didn’t seem to do a good job:

According to the juror, everyone on the jury agreed that the protesters used intimidation, threats and force during the occupation to prevent workers from the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service and Bureau of Land Management from performing their duties. But prosecutors failed to show that Bundy and the others had conspired to do so, he said.

“We were not asked to judge on bullets and hurt feelings, rather to decide if an agreement was made with an illegal object in mind,” Juror 4 said. “It seemed this basic, high standard of proof was lost upon the prosecution throughout.”

At times, the juror continued, prosecutors came off as arrogant, asking them to infer the existence of a conspiracy. That apparently irritated some on the jury.

“Inference, while possibly compelling, proved to be insulting or inadequate to 12 diversely situated people as a means to convict,” he said. “The air of triumphalism that the prosecution brought was not lost on any of us, nor was it warranted given their burden of proof.”

Deficiencies in the prosecution cropped up throughout the proceedings, the juror told the Oregonian. Prosecutors did not present witnesses who showed that the group intended to impede federal workers, the juror said, planting “a seed of doubt that grew.” Nor did prosecutors present evidence that showed a conspiracy between Bundy and another occupation leader who pleaded guilty, he said.

washingtonpost.com

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Belafon  Nov 4, 2016 • 5:43:22am

re: #152 Timothy Watson

Bundy trial aftermath. Proseuctors didn’t seem to do a good job:

washingtonpost.com

And if the prosecutors had, the jury would have just said they failed to prove that Bundy’s group intended to do it for as long as they did. Excuses.

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jeffreyw  Nov 4, 2016 • 5:44:51am

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Goodn morning!

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lawhawk  Nov 4, 2016 • 5:46:52am

re: #150 Eventual Carrion

She got/sent the email in 2012 and it was classified in 2016. Doesn’t that mean it wasn’t classified when she sent/received it?

If it wasn’t classified at the time it was sent/received, then Clinton did nothing wrong by having it.

In fact, it was misclassified and wasn’t properly identified as per regulation - it must have a header identifying the classification level, and (c) in the margin for a solitary statement within an email isn’t a proper classification of the email. And it indicates confidential, not classified in any event.

The email was improperly marked, the State Department later identified it as such, and it was unclassified.

Rinse and repeat. The hunt to find wrongdoing has revealed that far too many emails and items are classified, many of them on flimsy grounds, and that the classification rules need to be updated and simplified.

Clinton didn’t do anything illegal, but it isn’t stopping Trump, the GOP and right wingers from pressing on.

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Decatur Deb  Nov 4, 2016 • 5:46:55am

re: #153 Belafon

And if the prosecutors had, the jury would have just said they failed to prove that Bundy’s group intended to do it for as long as they did. Excuses.

Why was the traditionally-unpopular conspiracy charge brought? You don’t charge 3 bank robbers with conspiracy when you catch them robbing a bank.

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lawhawk  Nov 4, 2016 • 5:47:53am

So, which party will be celebrating the good news on the economy, and which one will be claiming that the numbers are all lies?

We know the answer - Trump and the GOP continues to claim this is the worst economy ever, worse than the Depression, and it’s Clinton and Obama’s fault. Reality is quite different of course

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Belafon  Nov 4, 2016 • 5:48:05am

re: #146 MsJ

The way this is worded is wrong. Three of the emails had the little c next to parts that were supposedly marked. That doesn’t make the document classified. It does mean that something has been mislabeled, either the document or the sections.

And, if the document was classified, they wouldn’t have gotten it through an FOIA request.

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Jayleia  Nov 4, 2016 • 5:50:41am

re: #152 Timothy Watson

Imma callin bullshit there.

Prosecutors did not present witnesses who showed that the group intended to impede federal workers, the juror said, planting “a seed of doubt that grew.” Nor did prosecutors present evidence that showed a conspiracy between Bundy and another occupation leader who pleaded guilty, he said.

YOU SHOW UP WITH GUNS AT A FEDERAL FACILITY AND SHOVE ALL THE FEDERAL WORKERS OUT…AND THAT DOESN’T INDICATE AN INTENT TO IMPEDE THEM?!

And these clowns just happened to roll into the same Wildlife Refuge on the same day and time with the same goals? That’s either conspiracy or many separate unbelieveable coincidences.

Fuck Juror #Terror Supporter

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lawhawk  Nov 4, 2016 • 5:50:45am
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MsJ  Nov 4, 2016 • 5:52:06am

re: #152 Timothy Watson

Bundy trial aftermath. Proseuctors didn’t seem to do a good job:

washingtonpost.com

I watched Bull a couple of weeks ago and they were in TX for a trial and the first thing Bull did was ensure that they had a good old boy lawyer for the defense…knowing that the local jury, who always found for the plaintiff corporations (in this case a drug company), would not like some NY lawyer (in attitude) shitting all over their small TX town.

I served as forewoman on a jury and we found for the defense when the prosecution neglected to show us how the defendant was the only one who could have done what they said she did - when there were two distinctly possible people who could have done it. We all thought the defendant did it, but not showing us that she was the one who did it made us find in her favor.

If this is the case with what happened in OR, fuck man. Know your jury, for god’s sake. All this did was empower right wing nuts to more bad behavior.

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MsJ  Nov 4, 2016 • 5:52:30am

re: #154 jeffreyw

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Goodn morning!

Recipe please!

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Teukka  Nov 4, 2016 • 5:57:25am

re: #151 MsJ

IF it was classified, it was mislabeled from the start. My understanding is classified documents and emails had something like

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CLASSIFIED
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at the top of the page, not some tiny (c) buried within.

IIRC, may be CAPITALIZED, possibly BOLDED CAPITALIZED classification in the page header or document header.

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MsJ  Nov 4, 2016 • 5:58:51am

re: #163 Teukka

IIRC, may be CAPITALIZED, possibly BOLDED CAPITALIZED classification in the page header or document header.

Right, in the header, right at the top of the page. It’s frustrating to read all the bullshit.

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Dr. Matt  Nov 4, 2016 • 5:59:48am
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b.d.  Nov 4, 2016 • 6:06:11am

FAKE NUMBERS!!

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A wild WITHAK appeared!  Nov 4, 2016 • 6:07:07am

re: #166 b.d.

FAKE NUMBERS!!

How Can The Jobs Report Be Real If Numbers Aren’t Real

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HappyWarrior  Nov 4, 2016 • 6:08:03am

re: #157 lawhawk

So, which party will be celebrating the good news on the economy, and which one will be claiming that the numbers are all lies?

We know the answer - Trump and the GOP continues to claim this is the worst economy ever, worse than the Depression, and it’s Clinton and Obama’s fault. Reality is quite different of course

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Yeah Trump’s going to go all in about how these numbers are fake.

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Belafon  Nov 4, 2016 • 6:08:35am

Reading this collection of information on Russian hacking and disinformation, balloon-juice.com, and combining that with the FBI actions, and I’m really coming to the conclusion that white men in power everywhere are afraid of Clinton becoming president. Some of it is, obviously, that Putin knows he can control Trump, but the president of the US was supposed to be a white man’s club. It was bad enough that a black man became president - and was reelected - but they can’t let a woman in, can they?

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Dr. Matt  Nov 4, 2016 • 6:09:11am

Flashback….look strikingly similar to the unhinged deplorables today?

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Franklin  Nov 4, 2016 • 6:12:52am

Much of this is rehashed of what we already know, but interesting read.

Goes into some detail of the controversy. Bits that stuck out to me that noone discusses but is so painfully obvious:

Difference between Sec. Powell using a personal email account and Sec. Clinton using a personal email account on a private server. It’s a distinction without a difference.

If Sec. Clinton used a private server to avoid FOIA requests that makes little sense. She could have used the State Dept server for day to day and used personal email for items she didn’t want FOIAable.

Lots more great info in this Voxsplainer:

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A wild WITHAK appeared!  Nov 4, 2016 • 6:13:27am

I remember being nervous about the final jobs report before the election in 2012. IIRC, it also had good-but-not-great numbers. I breathed another sigh of relief this morning, but I don’t think it matters much at all.

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lawhawk  Nov 4, 2016 • 6:16:17am

All the GOP and Trump talking points are under assault by reality, which is why they go alt-reality and claim the numbers are a lie and don’t reflect reality.

This is the state of the GOP - clinging bitterly to the hate, fear, and irrational BS they’ve spewed for years and having to lie to themselves and their supporters to keep the support in line.

Solid job growth. Solid unemployment figures. Solid wage growth.

The GOP spins this as worst economy ever. That’s what Democrats are up against. And the media is complicit in not calling Trump and his surrogates out for their incessant lies during their coverage.

All it takes is something along the lines of the following:

Donald Trump again reiterated today that the economy “… remains the worst ever and unemployment rates are off the charts bad, especially for the blacks”.

However, according to the BLS, unemployment rates for blacks has been cut by more than half and is now lower than before the great recession. Wage growth and unemployment rates (both the official rate and the U6 rates) show that the economy continues to grow at a strong and steady clip.

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lawhawk  Nov 4, 2016 • 6:18:07am
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Decatur Deb  Nov 4, 2016 • 6:19:01am

re: #172 A wild WITHAK appeared!

I remember being nervous about the final jobs report before the election in 2012. IIRC, it also had good-but-not-great numbers. I breathed another sigh of relief this morning, but I don’t think it matters much at all.

A last set of numbers is not going to shift votes at this point. To the extent it shows the real state of the economy and its effect on families (a rough draft of the ‘Misery Index’), it’s good news.

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A wild WITHAK appeared!  Nov 4, 2016 • 6:21:04am

re: #175 Decatur Deb

A last set of numbers is not going to shift votes at this point. To the extent it shows the real state of the economy and its effect on families (a rough draft of the ‘Misery Index’), it’s good news.

At best, it tells us that “economic anxiety” is a bunch of malarkey.

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mmmirele  Nov 4, 2016 • 6:22:46am

re: #148 Timothy Watson

I am really getting pissed at the news stations for continuing to identify the woman and show her photograph when she is almost certainly a sexual assault/rape survivor.

Unfortunately, this has been a story for a while, but for a different reason. She and her boyfriend had disappeared at the end of August, then her boyfriend’s Facebook came alive and all sorts of postings made to it that were out of character for him. I heard about this case at the Washington Post in mid-October, can’t find the article, but this one from the Daily Beast is contemporaneous:

Someone Is Pretending to Be This Missing Couple on Facebook

thedailybeast.com

So, yes, you’re right, but this is an unusual circumstance. What saddens me is that her boyfriend is probably dead. Ms. Brown told police there were at least four bodies buried at the site.

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jeffreyw  Nov 4, 2016 • 6:23:54am

re: #162 MsJ

Recipe please!

Here ya go

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MsJ  Nov 4, 2016 • 6:25:09am

re: #173 lawhawk

You have to remember that Trump not only doesn’t care about POC, he is selling that their having jobs is the problem with America being great.

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Dr. Matt  Nov 4, 2016 • 6:27:17am

Ok, I’m officially tired of hearing about the Cubs.

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Franklin  Nov 4, 2016 • 6:35:33am

Seriously, Fuck Donald Trump:

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Franklin  Nov 4, 2016 • 6:36:42am

re: #181 Franklin

Seriously, Fuck Donald Trump:

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Can you tell I’m trying to raise two girls :)

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lawhawk  Nov 4, 2016 • 6:37:10am

Drudge has officially jumped the shark, nuked the fridge, and gone off the deep end:

There’s no surer sign that Trump’s losing bigtime than this assortment of nonsense headlines.

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Dr. Matt  Nov 4, 2016 • 6:38:58am

No pineapple here!

Instagram

@kimlycurry Pizza for breakfast? A DREAM COME TRUE! 💫✨ #feedyoursoull

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FormerDirtDart  Nov 4, 2016 • 6:42:44am

Someone has had it with all the junk mail…

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A wild WITHAK appeared!  Nov 4, 2016 • 6:43:07am

re: #184 Dr. Matt

No pineapple here!

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Now that’s a breakfast pizza. Gimme!

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Dr. Matt  Nov 4, 2016 • 6:43:20am

re: #183 lawhawk

There’s no surer sign that Trump’s losing bigtime than this assortment of nonsense headlines.

….and when wingnuts are making ridiculously predictions….

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Timothy Watson  Nov 4, 2016 • 6:45:35am

re: #185 FormerDirtDart

Someone has had it with all the junk mail…

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That’s pretty awesome, even has the dual Sidewinders on the far left hardpoint. Reminds me a bit of flying the A-10 on modded Falcon 4.0.

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Sir John Barron  Nov 4, 2016 • 6:45:39am

re: #180 Dr. Matt

Ok, I’m officially tired of hearing about the Cubs.

They haven’t won a world series in like two days. Losers.

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Kilroy was here  Nov 4, 2016 • 6:45:57am

re: #185 FormerDirtDart

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Barefoot Grin  Nov 4, 2016 • 6:47:13am

re: #180 Dr. Matt

Ok, I’m officially tired of hearing about the Cubs.

Cubs Win! Cubs Win! Cubs Win!

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Dr. Matt  Nov 4, 2016 • 6:48:40am

re: #191 Barefoot Grin

Cubs Win! Cubs Win! Cubs Win!

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lawhawk  Nov 4, 2016 • 6:49:59am

re: #180 Dr. Matt

Ok, I’m officially tired of hearing about the Cubs.

Let them enjoy it while they can. Pitchers and catchers report for spring training in …. 105 days.

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Franklin  Nov 4, 2016 • 6:50:25am
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lawhawk  Nov 4, 2016 • 6:50:29am
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Joe Bacon  Nov 4, 2016 • 6:51:39am

re: #184 Dr. Matt

No pineapple here!

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LET’S EAT!!!!!!!!!

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Franklin  Nov 4, 2016 • 6:52:05am
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Barefoot Grin  Nov 4, 2016 • 6:54:01am

re: #192 Dr. Matt

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I was always a Cubs fan even when I had to watch them in black and white. But when we got to go to the big city for a game with either scouts or church, it was always to the old Comiskey field on the south side. Damn, that was grim. I didn’t make it to Wrigley until the early ’80s. Sure, they lost every game I saw, but as I recall a large Old Style cost about as much as a bleacher-seat ticket. Great times. Ryno—woo, Ryno—woo, Ryno-woo!

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dangerman  Nov 4, 2016 • 6:54:42am

re: #183 lawhawk

this drudge, plus the emails, plus the jobs report all point to what i said earlier this morning:

it’s politics as religion.

Most people don’t “know” much. They heard or were told or read a web site, heard part of a speech or other questionable source… (wiccan, really???)

And so it’s all second or more hands, skewed, interpreted, and selectively etc. They do not research or do critical thinking or analysis. Just second hand say-so.

It all becomes a meaningless cult like following.

Because the evaluative thinking process is the problem, not just the gullible-ness Due to the fundamental lack of desire to learn and know. There is no cure for this.

The polarization now in 2016 is just one particular manifestation.

This is more than wilful ignorance. It’s wilfully being led by the nose manipulation or simply tell me what to think and I will.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Nov 4, 2016 • 6:55:24am
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lawhawk  Nov 4, 2016 • 6:56:13am
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Sir John Barron  Nov 4, 2016 • 6:56:44am

Payday today. Sent HRC some more $$$.

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Franklin  Nov 4, 2016 • 6:57:40am

I can’t wait for the new “I Know What You Did Last Summer” to come out:

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Franklin  Nov 4, 2016 • 6:59:11am

Sorry for the twitter dumps this morning, last one for the morning:

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Joe Bacon  Nov 4, 2016 • 7:00:15am
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GlutenFreeJesus  Nov 4, 2016 • 7:01:03am

re: #204 Franklin

I hope that Caro person isn’t serious. lol

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Sir John Barron  Nov 4, 2016 • 7:01:08am

re: #203 Franklin

I can’t wait for the new “I Know What You Did Last Summer” to come out:

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I Still Know What You Did Last Summer The Summer Before

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GlutenFreeJesus  Nov 4, 2016 • 7:04:52am

Been hearing a lot about the Impossible Burger lately. If you’re in one of the test market towns, you need to try it and let me know. Apparently you really cannot tell the difference between it and meat. Seriously. And I absolutely trust Kenji Lopez-Alt.

seriouseats.com

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lawhawk  Nov 4, 2016 • 7:05:06am

Yeah, I wrote 96 instead of 94 million.

But I’ll wait for the non-answer. And the inevitable trolls.

Because the number includes those still in school and those who are retired - roughly half that figure.

politifact.com

It also counts those who are living at home - non-working spouses maintaining households, or caring for family, etc.

So, it’s a BS metric, that’s supposed to scare people, when the reality is anything but.

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Dr. Matt  Nov 4, 2016 • 7:07:09am

re: #209 lawhawk

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Yeah, I wrote 96 instead of 94 million.

But I’ll wait for the non-answer. And the inevitable trolls.

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Belafon  Nov 4, 2016 • 7:07:32am

re: #209 lawhawk

Yeah, I wrote 96 instead of 94 million.

But I’ll wait for the non-answer. And the inevitable trolls.

If Trump were to be elected president, they’d be arguing in two years that 94 million people is way too many people in the workforce and that, if people want to work, they’ll have to accept a lower wage to do it.

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Belafon  Nov 4, 2016 • 7:07:51am

re: #210 Dr. Matt

You realize they believe that, right?

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A wild WITHAK appeared!  Nov 4, 2016 • 7:08:32am

re: #209 lawhawk

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Yeah, I wrote 96 instead of 94 million.

But I’ll wait for the non-answer. And the inevitable trolls.

I think we should seriously lobby to make Moving Goalposts an Olympic event. Guaranteed US gold medals every time, and the right-wing pundits wouldn’t even have to train, just show up.

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Joe Bacon  Nov 4, 2016 • 7:08:32am

re: #209 lawhawk

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Yeah, I wrote 96 instead of 94 million.

But I’ll wait for the non-answer. And the inevitable trolls.

Oh, I wonder what she’ll do if the Klan comes for her…

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John Carter  Nov 4, 2016 • 7:11:59am

re: #214 Joe Bacon

Oh, I wonder what she’ll do if the Klan comes for her…

Legitimate question.

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Timothy Watson  Nov 4, 2016 • 7:14:41am

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Timothy Watson  Nov 4, 2016 • 7:15:10am

re: #214 Joe Bacon

Oh, I wonder what she’ll do if the Klan comes for her…

Offer to help them round up everyone else?

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A wild WITHAK appeared!  Nov 4, 2016 • 7:16:22am

re: #216 Timothy Watson

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Sir John Barron  Nov 4, 2016 • 7:16:31am

re: #209 lawhawk

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Yeah, I wrote 96 instead of 94 million.

But I’ll wait for the non-answer. And the inevitable trolls.

Because the number includes those still in school and those who are retired - roughly half that figure.

politifact.com

It also counts those who are living at home - non-working spouses maintaining households, or caring for family, etc.

So, it’s a BS metric, that’s supposed to scare people, when the reality is anything but.

Gosh almost forgot about Michelle Malkin. This campaign’s been so awful that the truly deplorable Malkin’s been lost in the blur of deplorableness.

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Dr. Matt  Nov 4, 2016 • 7:17:29am

re: #214 Joe Bacon

Oh, I wonder what she’ll do if the Klan comes for her…

Matt Drudge (gay), Malkin (Asian), Allen West (Black), et al are all considered undesirable and are hated by Trump’s base. Talk about voting against your best own interest.

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Sir John Barron  Nov 4, 2016 • 7:18:12am

re: #209 lawhawk

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Yeah, I wrote 96 instead of 94 million.

But I’ll wait for the non-answer. And the inevitable trolls.

Because the number includes those still in school and those who are retired - roughly half that figure.

politifact.com

It also counts those who are living at home - non-working spouses maintaining households, or caring for family, etc.

So, it’s a BS metric, that’s supposed to scare people, when the reality is anything but.

Of course, since many conservatives would prefer that wives stay home with the children, I’d think they’d like to see a higher share of people out of the workforce.

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dangerman  Nov 4, 2016 • 7:18:18am

re: #209 lawhawk

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Yeah, I wrote 96 instead of 94 million.

But I’ll wait for the non-answer. And the inevitable trolls.

yeah but how many of those retired were forced out and really want a job

(of course at 4.9% unemployment, what’s stopping them now?)

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Sir John Barron  Nov 4, 2016 • 7:19:40am

re: #221 Sir John Barron

Of course, since many conservatives would prefer that wives stay home with the children, I’d think they’d like to see a higher share of people out of the workforce.

Just wait for it. The next GOP administration, if someone brings this number up, the wingnuts will say it’s actually good to have so many people not working because it means wives staying home with the kids, low labor force participation drives up wages, etc.

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Decatur Deb  Nov 4, 2016 • 7:20:59am

re: #216 Timothy Watson

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Barefoot Grin  Nov 4, 2016 • 7:22:24am

I’ve been hearing about supposed “ghost” supporters of Trump— people who think it’s un-PC to admit they’ll vote for him, but they will vote for him once inside the ballot box. It seems to me that there are probably just as many people or more who don’t want to face the bullshit they’ll get from rabid relatives on FB, or don’t want their cars to get keyed for having a “I’m with Her” bumper sticker, or wives too scared to admit out loud that they support HRC who will also pull the lever for Hillary. Sorry, just thinking out loud.

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dangerman  Nov 4, 2016 • 7:22:58am

re: #223 Sir John Barron

Just wait for it. The next GOP administration, if someone brings this number up, the wingnuts will say it’s actually good to have so many people not working because it means wives staying home with the kids, low labor force participation drives up wages, etc.

sure, after the low wages drove out participation first

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FormerDirtDart  Nov 4, 2016 • 7:26:07am

Referring to Grant County, OR. “Constitutional” Sheriff Glenn Palmer, friend and confidant of the Malheur Wildlife Refuge occupiers…

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Patricia Kayden  Nov 4, 2016 • 7:26:52am

re: #110 Donkey With No Name

Frum brought us Bush the Younger so I don’t give him too much credence for not supporting Trump. He’ll be supporting the next Republican Presidential nominee come 2020 regardless of how extreme and dangerous that person’s policies would be for this country. He probably would have been supporting Trump if Trump could have controlled his outbursts and rants.

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Timothy Watson  Nov 4, 2016 • 7:27:43am

re: #224 Decatur Deb

You were looking when you got there. Why did you stop?

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dangerman  Nov 4, 2016 • 7:28:35am

re: #216 Timothy Watson

my $0.02

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lawhawk  Nov 4, 2016 • 7:29:39am

re: #222 dangerman

I had some nitwit the other day claiming that Obamacare was the reason that the jobless rate was climbing all while ignoring actual demographics, which show that the trend was anticipated due to baby boomers leaving the workforce as we near the peak of the boomer cohort. The rate will continue dropping as more boomers enter retirement and live longer.

It had nothing to do with the ACA (unless you think that the ACA enables people to live longer, in which case the argument becomes that the GOP needs these people to sod off so that the numbers look more favorable). /half-sarc

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dangerman  Nov 4, 2016 • 7:29:50am

re: #225 Barefoot Grin

I’ve been hearing about supposed “ghost” supporters of Trump— people who think it’s un-PC to admit they’ll vote for him, but they will vote for him once inside the ballot box. It seems to me that there are probably just as many people or more who don’t want to face the bullshit they’ll get from rabid relatives on FB, or don’t want their cars to get keyed for having a “I’m with Her” bumper sticker, or wives too scared to admit out loud that they support HRC who will also pull the lever for Hillary. Sorry, just thinking out loud.

electoral-vote.com

“There will not be a surge of hidden trump voters”

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A wild WITHAK appeared!  Nov 4, 2016 • 7:30:34am

re: #225 Barefoot Grin

I’ve been hearing about supposed “ghost” supporters of Trump— people who think it’s un-PC to admit they’ll vote for him, but they will vote for him once inside the ballot box. It seems to me that there are probably just as many people or more who don’t want to face the bullshit they’ll get from rabid relatives on FB, or don’t want their cars to get keyed for having a “I’m with Her” bumper sticker, or wives too scared to admit out loud that they support HRC who will also pull the lever for Hillary. Sorry, just thinking out loud.

I’ve avoided voicing support for Hillary in most aspects of my life because I simply don’t want the drama. I don’t have a yard sign. I don’t have a bumper sticker (I loathe bumper stickers for any reason, but that’s beside the point, I guess). I don’t argue with people on social media very much. I avoid politics with family that I have disagreements with.

My only political discussion outlets are LGF, updating my wife on the recent news (which she quickly gets bored of), chatting with my brother, and a few trusted co-workers that I know well.

I guess I’m a “stealth” Hillary supporter.

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Sir John Barron  Nov 4, 2016 • 7:31:48am

Um, looks like that infamous ABC tracking poll that had Trump a point ahead a day or two ago has gone back to HRC, 47-44.

washingtonpost.com

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Weaselone  Nov 4, 2016 • 7:34:17am

re: #234 Sir John Barron

Um, looks like that infamous ABC tracking poll that had Trump a point ahead a day or two ago has gone back to HRC, 47-44.

washingtonpost.com

Wow. 4 points in 2 days. If that trend holds she’ll be up by 12 on election day.///

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Barefoot Grin  Nov 4, 2016 • 7:34:21am

re: #233 A wild WITHAK appeared!

I’ve avoided voicing support for Hillary in most aspects of my life because I simply don’t want the drama. I don’t have a yard sign. I don’t have a bumper sticker (I loathe bumper stickers for any reason, but that’s beside the point, I guess). I don’t argue with people on social media very much. I avoid politics with family that I have disagreements with.

My only political discussion outlets are LGF, updating my wife on the recent news (which she quickly gets bored of), chatting with my brother, and a few trusted co-workers that I know well.

I guess I’m a “stealth” Hillary supporter.

This describes me, too. (Though we had a Bernie bumper sticker in our home window for awhile because the wife was working on his campaign.)

re: #232 dangerman

electoral-vote.com

“There will not be a surge of hidden trump voters”

That’s a relief.

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dangerman  Nov 4, 2016 • 7:34:42am

re: #231 lawhawk

I had some nitwit the other day claiming that Obamacare was the reason that the jobless rate was climbing all while ignoring actual demographics, which show that the trend was anticipated due to baby boomers leaving the workforce as we near the peak of the boomer cohort. The rate will continue dropping as more boomers enter retirement and live longer.

It had nothing to do with the ACA (unless you think that the ACA enables people to live longer, in which case the argument becomes that the GOP needs these people to sod off so that the numbers look more favorable). /half-sarc

they’re not deep thinkers
they latch onto an idea they “heard” somewhere, accept it and run with it.
they then commit to endless pretzel logic defending it because it *has to* be true
and if it has to be true, then if follows that only the argument isnt strong enough (yet)

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Patricia Kayden  Nov 4, 2016 • 7:34:47am

re: #152 Timothy Watson

“At times, the juror continued, prosecutors came off as arrogant, asking them to infer the existence of a conspiracy.”

So it was a coincidence that protesters converged on the same building at the same time with the purpose of taking over the building from Federal authorities? LOL.

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Dr. Matt  Nov 4, 2016 • 7:36:03am

re: #234 Sir John Barron

Um, looks like that infamous ABC tracking poll that had Trump a point ahead a day or two ago has gone back to HRC, 47-44.

washingtonpost.com

Trump and media can go back to their meme of rigged and skewed polls again.

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Belafon  Nov 4, 2016 • 7:37:48am

re: #235 Weaselone

Wow. 4 points in 2 days. If that trend holds she’ll be up by 12 on election day.///

And think of where she’ll be on the real election day, November 28th. //

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dangerman  Nov 4, 2016 • 7:39:04am

re: #238 Patricia Kayden

At times, the juror continued, prosecutors came off as arrogant, asking them to infer the existence of a conspiracy.

So it was a coincidence that protesters converged on the same building at the same time with the purpose of taking over the building from Federal authorities? LOL.

and once all coincidentally arrived *stayed there*
and wrote public shopping lists of supplies
and worked together to block roads, dig latrines, pull guard duty etc

if it wasnt a conspiracy before they showed up it certainly became a cooperative one after

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Nov 4, 2016 • 7:41:06am

re: #235 Weaselone

Wow. 4 points in 2 days. If that trend holds she’ll be up by 12 on election day.///

This sounds reasonable to me:

538 always went back to 6 points before it would start designedly rubberbanding back to the center.

I can’t help remembering last time the averages were over 3 points pessimistic, too—plus “already voteds” being filtered out of the current polls. I wouldn’t be surprised if Hillary wins by 10. I’ll take any victory, but I really want to bathe in the tears of the deplorables.

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FormerDirtDart  Nov 4, 2016 • 7:42:01am

Mail in ballots still accepted until Nov 8th, and early voting still ongoing thru tomorrow(& Sun in some counties)

“…Nearly 5.3 million Floridians have voted early in the Sunshine State, or nearly 41 percent of all active registered voters.

Numbers released by the state Division of Elections Friday show the number of voters casting ballots early during this year’s presidential election is higher than in 2012. That year nearly 4.8 million Floridians either voted by mail or cast a ballot during early voting…”

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Franklin  Nov 4, 2016 • 7:44:05am

re: #231 lawhawk

It had nothing to do with the ACA (unless you think that the ACA enables people to live longer, in which case the argument becomes that the GOP needs these people to sod off so that the numbers look more favorable). /half-sarc

Quite a predicament. Numbers would look more favorable, but their base would be dwindling.

Edited for their/there typo

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Tigger2  Nov 4, 2016 • 7:44:20am
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Reality Based Steve  Nov 4, 2016 • 7:47:16am

re: #245 Tigger2

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And remember, Trump came out in favor of punishing women who get an abortion, before he quickly walked that one back.

RBS

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dangerman  Nov 4, 2016 • 7:47:34am

re: #242 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

This sounds reasonable to me:

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538 always went back to 6 points before it would start designedly rubberbanding back to the center.

I can’t help remembering last time the averages were over 3 points pessimistic, too—plus “already voteds” being filtered out of the current polls. I wouldn’t be surprised if Hillary wins by 10. I’ll take any victory, but I really want o bathe in the tears of the deplorables.

sam wang on cnn.com this morning

After aggregating polls to get rid of variation that does not reflect real changes in opinion, the end result is that the national margin between Clinton and Trump has stayed within a five-point range, from Clinton ahead by two to seven points. That’s about the smallest range that has ever been measured. I see it as a testament to the inflexibility of voters.

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makeitstop  Nov 4, 2016 • 7:48:30am

Well, today is off to a flying start.

I got a call from one of my biggest clients, one of the big trade unions in NYC. It seems he’d been ignoring emails from his hosting company, not knowing that the emails were notifying him of an unpaid hosting balance.

This morning he went to the site and it was gone. The hosting company deleted the entire site.

Lucky for me it was a Wordpress install and I’ve got a pretty recent database backup. So they’re going to re-up with the hosting company, and my big job is getting them back online ASAP. Fortuitous for me, because I get to bill them for bringing them back - plus they want a redesign, which I can tack on to the bill.

Yay for extra Christmas money!

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The Vicious Babushka  Nov 4, 2016 • 7:51:08am

re: #209 lawhawk

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Yeah, I wrote 96 instead of 94 million.

But I’ll wait for the non-answer. And the inevitable trolls.

Because the number includes those still in school and those who are retired - roughly half that figure.

politifact.com

It also counts those who are living at home - non-working spouses maintaining households, or caring for family, etc.

So, it’s a BS metric, that’s supposed to scare people, when the reality is anything but.

The largest cohort of “not in the workforce” are not retirees but 16-19 year olds, in other words KIDS WHO ARE IN SCHOOL. That this age group is not working full time is not a bad thing.

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dangerman  Nov 4, 2016 • 7:51:16am

re: #248 makeitstop

Well, today is off to a flying start.

I got a call from one of my biggest clients, one of the big trade unions in NYC. It seems he’d been ignoring emails from his hosting company, not knowing that the emails were notifying him of an unpaid hosting balance.

This morning he went to the site and it was gone. The hosting company deleted the entire site.

Lucky for me it was a Wordpress install and I’ve got a pretty recent database backup. So they’re going to re-up with the hosting company, and my big job is getting them back online ASAP. Fortuitous for me, because I get to bill them for bringing them back - plus they want a redesign, which I can tack on to the bill.

Yay for extra Christmas money!

i train all my clients that its a good policy not to read incoming mail.
it helps with my retirement plan.

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MsJ  Nov 4, 2016 • 7:51:48am

re: #216 Timothy Watson

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Pawn of the Oppressor  Nov 4, 2016 • 7:55:55am

re: #124 goddamnedfrank

“Fake but accurate.”

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MsJ  Nov 4, 2016 • 7:56:35am

re: #236 Barefoot Grin

This describes me, too. (Though we had a Bernie bumper sticker in our home window for awhile because the wife was working on his campaign.)

That’s a relief.

It is a relief. I have been worried about that. These days I am worried about everything (a politicized FBI is terrifying to me).

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Tigger2  Nov 4, 2016 • 7:58:00am
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Nyet  Nov 4, 2016 • 7:58:29am

Glad the polls are improving. And silver lining in the temporary drop (a jolt against complacency). But good polls are better for the morale. Bad polls can in fact be damaging on their own (feeling of desperation, giving up).

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Dr. Matt  Nov 4, 2016 • 7:58:55am

Dead serious. No snark.

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Timothy Watson  Nov 4, 2016 • 8:00:12am

re: #255 Nyet

Glad the polls are improving. And silver lining in the temporary drop (a jolt against complacency). But good polls are better for the morale. Bad polls can in fact be damaging on their own (feeling of desperation, giving up).

Did help my stress level a little admittedly even though I’ve been trying to avoid all the polling news.

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Nyet  Nov 4, 2016 • 8:01:05am

re: #256 Dr. Matt

McCain without Palin. She’s just a Trump in a skirt.

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The Vicious Babushka  Nov 4, 2016 • 8:01:06am

PROJECTING LIKE AN IMAX IN OUTER SPACE

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Barefoot Grin  Nov 4, 2016 • 8:02:39am

re: #259 The Vicious Babushka

PROJECTING LIKE AN IMAX IN OUTER SPACE

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And Huckabee is tool bag long forgotten in the old shed out back.

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Dr. Matt  Nov 4, 2016 • 8:02:56am

re: #258 Nyet

McCain without Palin. She’s just a Trump in a skirt.

But McCain could have kept Palin busy (and out of the way) by having her spend 4 years looking for a left-handed torque wrench.

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Belafon  Nov 4, 2016 • 8:03:14am

re: #259 The Vicious Babushka

PROJECTING LIKE AN IMAX IN OUTER SPACE

Maybe he’s right. Trump would be the neighbor who would help bury the dead animal. Clinton would report the incident.

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Decatur Deb  Nov 4, 2016 • 8:04:15am

re: #249 The Vicious Babushka

The largest cohort of “not in the workforce” are not retirees but 16-19 year olds, in other words KIDS WHO ARE IN SCHOOL. That this age group is not working full time is not a bad thing.

They could pick coal on their class breaks.

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Dr. Matt  Nov 4, 2016 • 8:04:32am

re: #259 The Vicious Babushka

PROJECTING LIKE AN IMAX IN OUTER SPACE

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Teukka  Nov 4, 2016 • 8:06:59am
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A wild WITHAK appeared!  Nov 4, 2016 • 8:08:35am

re: #256 Dr. Matt

Dead serious. No snark.

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Romney, sure. He’s been on the #NeverTrump train from the beginning.

McCain, no way. Mealy-mouthed support for Trump plus promising continued obstruction of any SCOTUS nominees puts him in the basket with the rest of the deplorables.

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Franklin  Nov 4, 2016 • 8:10:17am
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Teukka  Nov 4, 2016 • 8:10:31am
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lawhawk  Nov 4, 2016 • 8:10:54am

re: #256 Dr. Matt

Objectively this is true. Romney and McCain, for all their faults are people who follow normal conventions when it comes to politics and governing. McCain would have been particularly awful, but Romney showed he could govern at the state level.

Trump’s failed at everything he’s touched outside of real estate, and it looks like even that was a house of cards. He’s a conman who connects with the core GOP better than everyone else because he speaks the language of the base - he speaks to their bigotry, hate, and fear of losing power and control because they’re no longer privileged due to everyone else not having the rights they’ve had all along.

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Sir John Barron  Nov 4, 2016 • 8:12:11am

re: #259 The Vicious Babushka

PROJECTING LIKE AN IMAX IN OUTER SPACE

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Trump is happy warrior who wants his opponent in prison.

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Timothy Watson  Nov 4, 2016 • 8:12:18am

re: #259 The Vicious Babushka

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Sir John Barron  Nov 4, 2016 • 8:13:30am

re: #263 Decatur Deb

They could pick coal on their class breaks.

I had two full-time jobs while I was in school and I walked 16 miles one way to school all uphill.
///

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lawhawk  Nov 4, 2016 • 8:13:33am

Footage of the woman being shot with a rubber bullet at the ND standoff by law enforcement. To my eye, it looks like the shot came from one of the LEO’s up on the ridge (far right corner).

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FormerDirtDart  Nov 4, 2016 • 8:13:43am
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A wild WITHAK appeared!  Nov 4, 2016 • 8:14:17am

re: #271 Timothy Watson

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That pic is awesome. I would love to party it up with the Clintons.

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Flying Squirrel Girl  Nov 4, 2016 • 8:15:02am

re: #233 A wild WITHAK appeared!

I work in an Assisted Living facility in south Texas and have very much kept my views to myself. This morning a resident came into my office (there were already 2 other supervisors in my office) and asked who we were voting for. The resident (86, female), and both supervisors (male, late30s-early 40s, non-college educated) are all voting for Trump, and when I said, “I’m with her,” there was an audible gasp. The resident told me we can’t afford 8 more years like the last 8 because “we are almost completely broken.” When I brought up the unemployment rate, none of them believed it, when I mentioned the number of uninsured we have now compared to before Obamacare, the resident told me that before Obamacare insurance premiums did NOT go up.

In short, I found that I was correct to keep my facts and views to myself at work.

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Nyet  Nov 4, 2016 • 8:18:47am
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Sir John Barron  Nov 4, 2016 • 8:20:11am

re: #274 FormerDirtDart

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Great news for John McC—-

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Nyet  Nov 4, 2016 • 8:20:50am

re: #239 Dr. Matt

Trump and media can go back to their meme of rigged and skewed polls again.

Assuming he wouldn’t have died from stress in the first year. An assumption that I will not grant.

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jeffreyw  Nov 4, 2016 • 8:21:24am

re: #267 Franklin

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Aunt Hillary is the one that cooked that delicious turkey, and put together those side dishes that everyone loves so much. She set the table, cleared it after the meal, did the dishes, reminded that loud mouthed uncle of the names of all the nieces and nephews, and knew where everybody’s coat was when they finally left. Left with her nicely wrapped leftovers.

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Patricia Kayden  Nov 4, 2016 • 8:22:21am

re: #187 Dr. Matt

Why stop at 5-6 points? Why not 50 points? If you’re going to make wild predictions which you know are lies, why limit yourself? Go all the way with it.

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Nyet  Nov 4, 2016 • 8:22:28am

Ok that referred to the Palin comment.

LGF has become practically impossible to use comfortably on a mobile phone.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Nov 4, 2016 • 8:22:37am

re: #279 Nyet

Assuming he wouldn’t have died from stress in the first year. An assumption that I will not grant.

I’ve been saying he looks like death warmed over for months. I’m surprised he’s lasted this long.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 4, 2016 • 8:22:37am

re: #277 Nyet

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…… Mike really shouldn’t do metaphors. He compared Trump to Quint a few weeks ago. Both Al Smith and Hubert Humphrey who actually were happy warriors lost.

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Franklin  Nov 4, 2016 • 8:23:04am

re: #280 jeffreyw

Aunt Hillary is the one that cooked that delicious turkey, and put together those side dishes that everyone loves so much. She set the table, cleared it after the meal, did the dishes, reminded that loud mouthed uncle of the names of all the nieces and nephews, and knew where everybody’s coat was when they finally left. Left with her nicely wrapped leftovers.

yes!

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Nov 4, 2016 • 8:24:14am

re: #283 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

I’ve been saying he looks like death warmed over for months. I’m surprised he’s lasted this long.

Oh, you were talking about McCain. I don’t think they would have waited for stress to get him….

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DC_Run  Nov 4, 2016 • 8:24:25am

re: #276 Flying Squirrel Girl

I’m in an Assisted Living facility too. The county came in to register all who wanted to. I assume they are all for Trump because Fox News is a staple here, but who knows. Based on the area, I’m torn. It seems conservative but the downtown area is all mountain bike shops, little coffee shops, and weird art exhibits. Half the cars have “WTF” and “MILF” sticker abbreviating “Welcome to Fruita” and “Man, I Love Fruita”. It’s a strange little place that I can’t quite figure out.

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A wild WITHAK appeared!  Nov 4, 2016 • 8:24:38am

re: #281 Patricia Kayden

Why stop at 5-6 points? Why not 50 points? If you’re going to make wild predictions which you know are lies, why limit yourself? Go all the way with it.

TRUMP will get 103% of the popular vote becaiuse even the libtards who vote twice will have to voat againts CRROOKED HILLARY because BENGHAZEMAILWIKILEAKS

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Sir John Barron  Nov 4, 2016 • 8:25:44am

re: #288 A wild WITHAK appeared!

TRUMP will get 103% of the popular vote becaiuse even the libtards who vote twice will have to voat againts CRROOKED HILLARY because BENGHAZEMAILWIKILEAKS

“Anything less than Trump 100% confirms FACT that the election is rigged and Hillary’s whole campaign should be in jail.”

/

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dangerman  Nov 4, 2016 • 8:25:59am

older Sam Wang:

It is totally over. If Trump wins more than 240 electoral votes, I will eat a bug. 8:55 PM - 18 Oct 2016

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Nyet  Nov 4, 2016 • 8:26:22am

re: #286 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Yeah I won’t be able to edit that comment without being thrown to the main page.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Nov 4, 2016 • 8:26:23am

re: #288 A wild WITHAK appeared!

TRUMP will get 103% of the popular vote becaiuse even the libtards who vote twice will have to voat againts CRROOKED HILLARY because BENGHAZEMAILWIKILEAKS

Well, Apple did get 103% of the profit in the smartphone industry last quarter….

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Nyet  Nov 4, 2016 • 8:28:02am

re: #290 dangerman

Wang was overenthusiastic about the last midterms and totally blew it. All predictors should be taken with a grain of salt.

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John Carter  Nov 4, 2016 • 8:28:34am

re: #276 Flying Squirrel Girl

I work in an Assisted Living facility in south Texas and have very much kept my views to myself. This morning a resident came into my office (there were already 2 other supervisors in my office) and asked who we were voting for. The resident (86, female), and both supervisors (male, late30s-early 40s, non-college educated) are all voting for Trump, and when I said, “I’m with her,” there was an audible gasp. The resident told me we can’t afford 8 more years like the last 8 because “we are almost completely broken.” When I brought up the unemployment rate, none of them believed it, when I mentioned the number of uninsured we have now compared to before Obamacare, the resident told me that before Obamacare insurance premiums did NOT go up.

In short, I found that I was correct to keep my facts and views to myself at work.

I was having a birthday party for one of my kids and me and about 5 other dads were sitting on my back patio. I had an advantage, I knew them and their politics but they did not know each others.

So here I am sitting with a bunch of liberals like myself and only I knew it, what fun.

Once there was a lull in the conversation I said, “Man I like Trump”.

You should have seen the looks of dread on their faces, like oh know this is going to get unpleasant - and thinking what if I am the on Hillary supporter? Total silence…

He he, I had a good laugh and informed them they were all like minded to their great relief. The political discussion proceeded pretty much as you would expect after that.

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Decatur Deb  Nov 4, 2016 • 8:29:36am

For a moment today, one 538 model projected Florida as 50.0 Clinton, 50.0 Trump. It’s getting a bit better now.

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dangerman  Nov 4, 2016 • 8:29:44am

re: #269 lawhawk

Objectively this is true. Romney and McCain, for all their faults are people who follow normal conventions when it comes to politics and governing. McCain would have been particularly awful, but Romney showed he could govern at the state level.

Trump’s failed at everything he’s touched outside of real estate, and it looks like even that was a house of cards. He’s a conman who connects with the core GOP better than everyone else because he speaks the language of the base - he speaks to their bigotry, hate, and fear of losing power and control because they’re no longer privileged due to everyone else not having the rights they’ve had all along.

further, trump doesnt even appear to understand presidential level governing.

and he does not seem to be a learner, on the job or otherwise

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Lidane  Nov 4, 2016 • 8:30:20am

Hola Lizards! This morning’s soundtrack is this tidbit from the Hamilton Mixtape:

My Shot (feat. Busta Rhymes, Joell Ortiz & Nate Ruess) (Rise Up Remix)

So, so good. I can’t wait to hear the whole thing.

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dangerman  Nov 4, 2016 • 8:31:09am

re: #272 Sir John Barron

I had two full-time jobs while I was in school and I walked 16 miles one way to school all uphill.
///

uphill both ways
in the snow, winter and summer
(and we were glad to do it!)

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 4, 2016 • 8:32:21am
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A wild WITHAK appeared!  Nov 4, 2016 • 8:33:05am

re: #296 dangerman

further, trump doesnt even appear to understand presidential level governing.

and he does not seem to be a learner, on the job or otherwise

Trump has been coasting on an understanding of how the world works that he formed in the 1970s. He is like a caveman, frozen in the ice, and thawed so many years later. A man out of time.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 4, 2016 • 8:33:46am

Wherein Brian Williams basically tells Mark Halperin he’s a Trump shill.

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dangerman  Nov 4, 2016 • 8:34:35am

re: #293 Nyet

Wang was overenthusiastic about the last midterms and totally blew it. All predictors should be taken with a grain of salt.

ok yeah
who else is up their claim with bugs?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 4, 2016 • 8:35:45am
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Sir John Barron  Nov 4, 2016 • 8:37:15am

re: #295 Decatur Deb

For a moment today, one 538 model projected Florida as 50.0 Clinton, 50.0 Trump. It’s getting a bit better now.

Pretty relieved to wake up this morning and find 538 still at 65% (polls only) for HRC.

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dangerman  Nov 4, 2016 • 8:37:57am

re: #276 Flying Squirrel Girl

In short, I found that I was correct to keep my facts and views to myself at work.

i never talk politics with anyone face to face

if we reveal and agree. nothing gained
if we dont agree, i already know i’ll never convince them of anything - nothing gained. im not a political proselytizer.
there are other, more effective and efficient ways to better further the cause

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Sir John Barron  Nov 4, 2016 • 8:38:04am

re: #303 Backwoods_Sleuth

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FBI is seriously effed up.

Leakers should be fired. Plain and simple.

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Sir John Barron  Nov 4, 2016 • 8:38:56am

re: #301 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Brian Williams has some use. Who knew?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 4, 2016 • 8:42:33am
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Eventual Carrion  Nov 4, 2016 • 8:42:49am

re: #238 Patricia Kayden

“At times, the juror continued, prosecutors came off as arrogant, asking them to infer the existence of a conspiracy.”

So it was a coincidence that protesters converged on the same building at the same time with the purpose of taking over the building from Federal authorities? LOL.

And sent out communiques to others to come join them.

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Flying Squirrel Girl  Nov 4, 2016 • 8:43:25am

re: #305 dangerman

i never talk politics with anyone face to face

I agree, but was surprised to be asked this morning. I knew a refusal to answer would have been an answer itself, so I decided to oblige.

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A wild WITHAK appeared!  Nov 4, 2016 • 8:44:07am

re: #308 Backwoods_Sleuth

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It’s such a shame that Manafort was able to pull that stunt and get Trump to pick Pence instead. This would have been a nice November not-quite-a-surprise.

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Sir John Barron  Nov 4, 2016 • 8:44:50am

re: #310 Flying Squirrel Girl

I agree, but was surprised to be asked this morning. I knew a refusal to answer would have been an answer itself, so I decided to oblige.

Absolutely. The surprise may have been good for them.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 4, 2016 • 8:45:39am
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Decatur Deb  Nov 4, 2016 • 8:46:41am

re: #302 dangerman

ok yeah
who else is (backing?) up their claim with bugs?

Does lobster count?

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Decatur Deb  Nov 4, 2016 • 8:48:22am

re: #306 Sir John Barron

FBI is seriously effed up.

Leakers should be fired. Plain and simple.

If only there were some bureau with the skills to investigate federal leaks….

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 4, 2016 • 8:48:23am
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DC_Run  Nov 4, 2016 • 8:49:01am

Election doom porn (thanks to the lizards for that one) is the order of the day at 538. I live scrolling down on ESPN mobile and seeing that! /s

My reality seems so different than much of the narrative. Based on early voting, I’m pretty confident about FL and NV but apparently they are lost causes for Hillary. The voting numbers are up in a lot of places which is never a good sign for republicans. Less confident about NC, but hopeful.

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BeachDem  Nov 4, 2016 • 8:49:10am

re: #259 The Vicious Babushka

PROJECTING LIKE AN IMAX IN OUTER SPACE

[Embedded content]

Trump probably would have charged the trick or treaters for the candy and then given out tainted treats.

Huckabee is such an asshole.

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dangerman  Nov 4, 2016 • 8:49:42am

on trumps “income”

on his financial disclosure forms, he’s been using “gross revenue” which apparently is allowed, and then later when speaking about it implies it’s actually “net income”.

this gives a wildly distorted picture of what he actually made.

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Decatur Deb  Nov 4, 2016 • 8:50:00am

re: #304 Sir John Barron

Pretty relieved to wake up this morning and find 538 still at 65% (polls only) for HRC.

Yeah that’s almost as good as going under anaesthesia, knowing you have 2 chances out of 3 of waking up.

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Belafon  Nov 4, 2016 • 8:50:42am

re: #299 Backwoods_Sleuth

Sounds like a lot of people need to be fired. The FBI is not a place where “revolutions” should be occurring.

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The Vicious Babushka  Nov 4, 2016 • 8:51:04am

Another great Tweetstorm from Propane Jane==>

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Patricia Kayden  Nov 4, 2016 • 8:51:37am

re: #303 Backwoods_Sleuth

So if Rudy heard about the investigation into Huma’s emails before that info was announced by Comey, that means that he was collaborating with someone in the FBI. That’s the only way to explain his boastful prediction that Trump had something up his sleeves before Comey’s announcement.

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The Vicious Babushka  Nov 4, 2016 • 8:52:08am

re: #319 dangerman

on trumps “income”

on his financial disclosure forms, he’s been using “gross revenue” which apparently is allowed, and then later when speaking about it implies it’s actually “net income”.

this gives a wildly distorted picture of what he actually made.

Trump includes the millions he has borrowed from Russian loan sharks as “income”

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 4, 2016 • 8:53:06am

re: #321 Belafon

Sounds like a lot of people need to be fired. The FBI is not a place where “revolutions” should be occurring.

Imagine the FBI comes to question you regarding an investigation and there’s a Hillary Clinton sign on your lawn.

That could be a very long day/night for you.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Nov 4, 2016 • 8:53:35am

re: #317 DC_Run

Election doom porn (thanks to the lizards for that one) is the order of the day at 538. I live scrolling down on ESPN mobile and seeing that! /s

My reality seems so different than much of the narrative. Based on early voting, I’m pretty confident about FL and NV but apparently they are lost causes for Hillary. The voting numbers are up in a lot of places which is never a good sign for republicans. Less confident about NC, but hopeful.

I can’t get the EV below 302/236 no matter how hard I try. I think Sam picked 240 as the bug-eating threshold for a reason.

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Teukka  Nov 4, 2016 • 8:54:01am
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Franklin  Nov 4, 2016 • 8:54:30am

re: #316 Backwoods_Sleuth

Only thinking missing from the ad is a giant winking eye.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 4, 2016 • 8:54:39am

I must say I am somewhat disappointed in the Clinton campaign. I was really hoping they’d have a great last minute surprise to send Trump off the deep end again.

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The Vicious Babushka  Nov 4, 2016 • 8:55:24am

Baby Whiplash calls this “The Tweet Of The Election”
Actually the Clinton campaign does not “boast” that, it’s pantscrapping Trumporrhoids who made this shit up.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 4, 2016 • 8:56:04am

re: #329 Eclectic Cyborg

I must say I am somewhat disappointed in the Clinton campaign. I was really hoping they’d have a great last minute surprise to send Trump off the deep end again.

The day is still young.

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dangerman  Nov 4, 2016 • 8:56:13am

re: #314 Decatur Deb

Does lobster count?

yes “backing”

i dont know what he meant but lobster works for me
or mudbugs

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Nov 4, 2016 • 8:57:24am

re: #330 The Vicious Babushka

Baby Whiplash calls this “The Tweet Of The Election”
Actually the Clinton campaign does not “boast” that, it’s pantscrapping Trumporrhoids who made this shit up.

[Embedded content]

For background:

Wikileaks Pretty Sure Hillary Clinton Is A Child Sex Trafficker Now, It Is Just Obvious

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Sir John Barron  Nov 4, 2016 • 8:57:43am

I’m going back and forth with Glenn Greenwald on the Twitter machine.

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Sir John Barron  Nov 4, 2016 • 8:58:31am

re: #334 Sir John Barron

I’m going back and forth with Glenn Greenwald on the Twitter machine.

He said a particularly dumb thing about Wikileaks and Mother Jones and Vox. The man will stop at nothing to defend Wikileaks and Russia.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 4, 2016 • 8:59:31am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 4, 2016 • 9:00:12am
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dangerman  Nov 4, 2016 • 9:01:12am

re: #323 Patricia Kayden

So if Rudy heard about the investigation into Huma’s emails before that info was announced by Comey, that means that he was collaborating with someone in the FBI. That’s the only way to explain his boastful prediction that Trump had something up his sleeves before Comey’s announcement.

im guessing that he was implying some degree of separation
that he heard from people who knew people who worked in the fbi….

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Decatur Deb  Nov 4, 2016 • 9:01:27am

re: #335 Sir John Barron

He said a particularly dumb thing about Wikileaks and Mother Jones and Vox. The man will stop at nothing to defend Wikileaks and Russia.

When the dust settles, the country needs a discussion about billionaires, and whether democracy can survive when they control the media/legal system/political funding.

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BeachDem  Nov 4, 2016 • 9:02:07am

re: #313 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Is it ok that I am smiling?

(Too mean?)

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Teukka  Nov 4, 2016 • 9:03:00am

re: #340 BeachDem

Is it ok that I am smiling?

(Too mean?)

Nah. Throwing a block party to celebrate the verdict would be though.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Nov 4, 2016 • 9:03:46am

re: #340 BeachDem

Is it ok that I am smiling?

(Too mean?)

I’m only sorry I’m not there to laugh gleefully in their faces and taunt them. Now on to The Outlaw Jersey Whale himself!

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MsJ  Nov 4, 2016 • 9:03:57am

re: #275 A wild WITHAK appeared!

That pic is awesome. I would love to party it up with the Clintons.

Might even want to have a beer with them.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 4, 2016 • 9:04:38am

Remember the white University of Cincinnati cop who stopped the black motorist off-campus, and then shot and killed him?
The trial started this week.
This morning’s testimony included this:

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Decatur Deb  Nov 4, 2016 • 9:04:51am

Seems New Jersey handles its political hacks better than Oregon handles its cowboys.

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Franklin  Nov 4, 2016 • 9:06:45am

Yeah, about those protest votes:

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Sir John Barron  Nov 4, 2016 • 9:07:32am

re: #344 Backwoods_Sleuth

Remember the white University of Cincinnati cop who stopped the black motorist off-campus, and then shot and killed him?
The trial started this week.
This morning’s testimony included this:

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Here’s my shocked face.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 4, 2016 • 9:07:38am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 4, 2016 • 9:08:02am

re: #348 Backwoods_Sleuth

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[Can’t find this tweet right now: twitter.com ]

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BeachDem  Nov 4, 2016 • 9:08:44am

re: #341 Teukka

Nah. Throwing a block party to celebrate the verdict would be though.

I love when people’s words come back to bite them in the ass—thanks, Bridget, for providing the best bridgegate phrase. Now, if all this leads to Big Chicken going down, I might have to consider that block party.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 4, 2016 • 9:09:03am

re: #349 Backwoods_Sleuth

[Can’t find this tweet right now: twitter.com ]

screenshot

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Sir John Barron  Nov 4, 2016 • 9:09:31am

re: #351 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Kellyanne: When they go high we go low.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 4, 2016 • 9:09:49am

re: #351 Backwoods_Sleuth

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nines09  Nov 4, 2016 • 9:09:52am

re: #344 Backwoods_Sleuth

Mere coincidence. He was celebrating his “heritage” not anything more. Yes.

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Timothy Watson  Nov 4, 2016 • 9:10:23am

re: #344 Backwoods_Sleuth

Remember the white University of Cincinnati cop who stopped the black motorist off-campus, and then shot and killed him?
The trial started this week.
This morning’s testimony included this:

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Yep, living in the state that produce both Sherman and Grant, and you’re going to be wearing a fucking Confederate Flag t-shirt.

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stpaulbear  Nov 4, 2016 • 9:11:14am

re: #318 BeachDem

Trump probably would have charged the trick or treaters for the candy and then given out tainted treats.

Huckabee is such an asshole.

Trump would have made kids sign a ‘no tricks’ agreement before not giving them treats.

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Weaselone  Nov 4, 2016 • 9:12:05am

re: #337 Backwoods_Sleuth

Hmmm.. Looks like the reason the swamp wasn’t draining is because Christie was clogging the pipe.

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Teukka  Nov 4, 2016 • 9:12:12am

re: #356 stpaulbear

Trump would have made kids sign a ‘no tricks’ agreement before not giving them treats.

With a lifetime non-disclosure clause.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 4, 2016 • 9:13:32am

uh oh. some drama:

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BeachDem  Nov 4, 2016 • 9:14:09am

re: #346 Franklin

Yeah, about those protest votes:

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I just laugh when I hear anything about silent/hidden Trump voters. From everything I’ve seen, they are the loudest, most obnoxious people on the planet and proud of it.

I know here in south by dog carolina, many Democrats who keep their affiliation hidden for fear of reprisals at work. (Amazing, since the state is totally controlled by Republicans—what are they so afraid of?)

Fortunately, none of my clients are local, so I run my mouth with impunity—of course, it helps that I pretty much only associate with other Dems.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 4, 2016 • 9:15:33am

re: #359 Backwoods_Sleuth

So what happens now? Judge dismisses the jury, declares a mistrial and we get to do it all
over again?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 4, 2016 • 9:15:43am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 4, 2016 • 9:16:08am

re: #361 Eclectic Cyborg

So what happens now? Judge dismisses the jury, declares a mistrial and we get to do it all
over again?

I have no idea what is going on right now.

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BeachDem  Nov 4, 2016 • 9:16:09am

re: #352 Sir John Barron

Kellyanne: When they go high we go lowget high.

More likely.

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Franklin  Nov 4, 2016 • 9:17:41am
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Sir John Barron  Nov 4, 2016 • 9:18:36am

re: #362 Backwoods_Sleuth

ATKINSON, NH- Person in crowd at Trump rally shouts out, “Execute her!
Former Gov Sununu quickly denounces comments.
— Candace Smith

Kellyanne: Trump is running the most positive campaign ever. Believe. me.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 4, 2016 • 9:20:26am

Is it illegal to deface/damage election signs?

Because I saw a bunch of tore up Hilary signs in the middle of my road this morning.

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Franklin  Nov 4, 2016 • 9:20:45am
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Sir John Barron  Nov 4, 2016 • 9:21:22am

re: #362 Backwoods_Sleuth

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GOP 2020: F0ck it: We’re Gonna Put All The Dems in Jail.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 4, 2016 • 9:21:34am
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Dr. Matt  Nov 4, 2016 • 9:21:34am

re: #362 Backwoods_Sleuth

ATKINSON, NH- Person in crowd at Trump rally shouts out, “Execute her!
Former Gov Sununu quickly denounces comments.
— Candace Smith (@CandaceSmith_) November 4, 2016

Such an uplifting and positive campaign.

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Franklin  Nov 4, 2016 • 9:22:32am

re: #370 Backwoods_Sleuth

Thanks, was just about to post a tweet about the redaction of names. If there is no personally identifiable information, what’s the hold up?

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 4, 2016 • 9:23:34am

re: #372 Franklin

Thanks, was just about to post a tweet about the redaction of names. If there is no personally identifiable information, what’s the hold up?

Paranoia I guess.

If they keep this up can the Judge find them in Contempt?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 4, 2016 • 9:23:57am

re: #372 Franklin

Thanks, was just about to post a tweet about the redaction of names. If there is no personally identifiable information, what’s the hold up?

Jurors apparently don’t want the questionnaires released.
My guess is they’re afraid the press will figure out who they are eventually even with names redacted.

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Decatur Deb  Nov 4, 2016 • 9:23:57am

re: #367 Eclectic Cyborg

Is it illegal to deface election signs?

Because I saw a bunch of tore up Hilary signs in the middle of my road this morning.

Lots of jurisdictions, differing rules. Normally trespassing charges could be brought if taken from private property. Our cops collect complaints w/rare follow-up.

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Dr. Matt  Nov 4, 2016 • 9:24:38am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 4, 2016 • 9:24:40am
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dangerman  Nov 4, 2016 • 9:25:49am

re: #374 Backwoods_Sleuth

Jurors apparently don’t want the questionnaires released.
My guess is they’re afraid the press will figure out who they are eventually even with names redacted.

ianal - i’d guess people dont become public figures when they are compelled to be jurors.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 4, 2016 • 9:26:56am
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Charles Johnson  Nov 4, 2016 • 9:27:06am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 4, 2016 • 9:27:58am
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FormerDirtDart  Nov 4, 2016 • 9:28:25am

Old video of Trump during campaign
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wrenchwench  Nov 4, 2016 • 9:29:01am

re: #380 Charles Johnson

[Says Gloria Allred paid women to say Trump asssaulted them.]

Gloria Allred didn’t get where she is today by paying clients. Quite the other way around.

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Dr. Matt  Nov 4, 2016 • 9:29:05am

Trump has responded to the Bridgegate verdict.

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Sir John Barron  Nov 4, 2016 • 9:29:07am

re: #381 Backwoods_Sleuth

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“So unfair to me, these people, doing things I asked them to do. I had nothing to do with it, no knowledge and oh by the way let’s lock Hillary up because emails.”

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Sir John Barron  Nov 4, 2016 • 9:30:09am

re: #384 Dr. Matt

Trump has responded to the Bridgegate verdict.

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gotta be a parody account although the name looks correct.

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Dr. Matt  Nov 4, 2016 • 9:30:32am

re: #386 Sir John Barron

gotta be a parody account although the name looks correct.

It is.

I’ll ad sarc tags

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Decatur Deb  Nov 4, 2016 • 9:31:43am

re: #380 Charles Johnson

Just gross to see one of Chuck C. Johnson’s fake stories trending on Facebook. Says Gloria Allred paid women to say Trump asssaulted them.

Gloria Allred is certainly the first person I’d defame publicly, in print.

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Dr. Matt  Nov 4, 2016 • 9:32:06am

re: #386 Sir John Barron

gotta be a parody account although the name looks correct.

No sarc tag needed

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Sir John Barron  Nov 4, 2016 • 9:32:09am

re: #382 FormerDirtDart

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“Everything said about me in media and courtroom is a lie, now let’s talk about Huma Abedin’s classified emails on her husband’s computer porn laptop.”

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Franklin  Nov 4, 2016 • 9:32:30am
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makeitstop  Nov 4, 2016 • 9:32:35am

re: #384 Dr. Matt

Trump has responded to the Bridgegate verdict.

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No blue check.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 4, 2016 • 9:33:08am

re: #391 Franklin

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jesus, this is turning into a real clusterfuck

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Sir John Barron  Nov 4, 2016 • 9:33:21am

re: #387 Dr. Matt

It is.

I’ll ad sarc tags

Is the “r” in “realDonaldTrump” not being capitalized?

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Franklin  Nov 4, 2016 • 9:34:17am

re: #394 Sir John Barron

Is the “r” in “realDonaldTrump” not being capitalized?

I think the “L” in Real is a capital “i”

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A wild WITHAK appeared!  Nov 4, 2016 • 9:35:20am

re: #395 Franklin

I think the “L” in Real is a capital “i”

Capitalization doesn’t matter in Twitter usernames (it’s case-retentive but not case-sensitive, like Windows). The l/I mismatch is likely the difference.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Nov 4, 2016 • 9:35:28am

MLive: Guys adopt stray dog and puppies that crash bachelor party

VICKSBURG, MI - Some fellows go to a bachelor party and come home with a hangover.

Friends of Mitchel Craddock, the bridegroom-to-be, each came home from his bash with a puppy.

Craddock took a puppy, too, and found a home for the litter’s mother with his grandparents.

It all started the morning of Craddock’s 5-day bachelor getaway, a four-wheeling trip to Tennessee arranged by the Best Man in Craddock’s Oct. 8 wedding.

The guys were cooking up bacon with the cabin door open, and a dirty, flea-bitten mutt appeared, politely parking herself in the doorway, but refusing their invitations to come inside.

The dog was obviously hungry and thirsty, wolfing down every offer of food and water but still remaining outside.

“She was very friendly but very skittish— I thought maybe she had been booted out of a house before,” Craddock said. She was so well behaved they felt sure she must belong to someone, but she remained at the cabin.

“We’d ride for 4-5 hours, or go into town, and every time we’d come back she would either be sitting on our doorstep or under one of our trucks,” Craddock said.

They named her Annie, after Little Orphan Annie.

It appeared that the dog had had puppies earlier, though her milk supply was dried up, but after the third day of food and water, Craddock said they noticed that she was producing milk. They also noticed that whenever a vehicle went down the road along the back of the cabin, near the woodline, she ran there, barking in alarm.

“We started connecting the dots,” Craddock said.

A little investigation and they discovered a deep, wide underground den, perhaps abandoned by another animal. In it were Annie’s seven puppies.

“We’re guessing they were maybe around 5 or 6 weeks old,” Craddock said, and although their mother was very malnourished, the pups were robust. “We were proud of her,” he said. “She gave everything she had to those puppies.”

“Once we got the puppies out of the hole, we knew we couldn’t just leave them, so we started figuring out where they would go,” he said.

The conclusion: “Thanks for coming to my bachelor party. Here’s a puppy,” Craddock said with a laugh.

Pics of puppies here.

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ObserverArt  Nov 4, 2016 • 9:37:00am

re: #295 Decatur Deb

For a moment today, one 538 model projected Florida as 50.0 Clinton, 50.0 Trump. It’s getting a bit better now.

Heh, the last time I looked at 538 was early August after the conventions.

No need to check them. Just log into LGF and you get a poll update within 10 to 20 comments…real time.

And another great feature here…I get any apprehension taken care of when I read the members stressing out over the numbers. It drains all my concerns. It’s like a sponge that sops up all the worry because inevitably someone else will be a calming influence too.

Thanks. You all make any worries less worrisome!

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Belafon  Nov 4, 2016 • 9:38:34am

re: #393 Backwoods_Sleuth

jesus, this is turning into a real clusterfuck

Is the white supremacist influence strong there? This might be what it would have looked like in the South during segregation if a jury had tried to convict a white of killing a black man.

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Decatur Deb  Nov 4, 2016 • 9:39:32am

re: #398 ObserverArt

Heh, the last time I looked at 538 was early August after the conventions.

No need to check them. Just log into LGF and you get a poll update within 10 to 20 comments…real time.

And another great feature here…I get any apprehension taken care of when I read the members stressing out over the numbers. It drains all my concerns. It’s like a sponge that sops up all the worry because inevitably someone else will be a calming influence too.

Thanks. You all make any worries less worrisome!

Florida predictions are of issue here in Baja Alabama—they direct my travel plans, motel reservations, etc.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 4, 2016 • 9:39:45am

re: #399 Belafon

Is the white supremacist influence strong there? This might be what it would have looked like in the South during segregation if a jury had tried to convict a white of killing a black man.

There is certainly an element of that present.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 4, 2016 • 9:44:10am
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Dr. Matt  Nov 4, 2016 • 9:47:02am

Turning the Chicago River blue

Instagram

The Chicago River is looking exceptionally “Cubbie Blue” for the victory parade today.

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dangerman  Nov 4, 2016 • 9:47:32am

just watched keith olbermann’s #37 (you know, “morons”)

the man’s got no affect
i wish he’d put some emotion in his presentations.
/

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BeachDem  Nov 4, 2016 • 9:48:22am

re: #385 Sir John Barron

“So unfair to me, these people, doing things I asked them to do. I had nothing to do with it, no knowledge and oh by the way let’s lock Hillary up because emails.”

Toss them under bus, put bus in gear. Run over them with bus. Put bus in reverse and back over them. Park bus in no parking zone and go eat a doughnut. That’s Big Chicken for ya.

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Lidane  Nov 4, 2016 • 9:49:47am

*headdesk*

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Timothy Watson  Nov 4, 2016 • 9:50:25am

re: #406 Lidane

*headdesk*

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Move for sanctions.

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Sir John Barron  Nov 4, 2016 • 9:51:17am

re: #406 Lidane

*headdesk*

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Not The Onion?

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dangerman  Nov 4, 2016 • 9:52:31am

re: #406 Lidane

*headdesk*

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yeah, i know its silly
still, she invokes the constitution re the people’s rights
and ignores the whole section on qualifications (or lack thereof )for president part

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 4, 2016 • 9:53:49am

WLWT has learned at least one member of the jury in the Ray Tensing murder trial is refusing to come back to the courtroom after a break.

A sheriff’s department representative confirmed to managing editor Bill Hager that a juror is meeting with Judge Megan Shanahan in chambers. The juror is reportedly concerned over the release of personal information on jury questionnaires.

Shanahan announced at the beginning of court proceedings Friday morning that media outlets had requested the questionnaires be released. Shanahan said she was redacting names and other identifying information, but would release portions of the questionnaires.

Although Shanahan specifically mentioned a request by the Cincinnati Enquirer, several media outlets, including WLWT, have requested the information be released.

The representative of the sheriff’s department did not know how many jury members had concerns.

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plansbandc  Nov 4, 2016 • 9:54:08am

re: #346 Franklin

Wow. Effective.

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Dr. Matt  Nov 4, 2016 • 9:55:16am

re: #406 Lidane

Woman Sues to Stop Presidential Election Until ‘Serious, Trustworthy’ Candidate Can Be Found lawnewz.com pic.twitter.com
— Mediaite (@Mediaite) November 4, 2016

Then the GOP would have to be completely disbanded because at this rate that party has no future and no hope of ever producing a serious and trustworthy candidate.

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ObserverArt  Nov 4, 2016 • 9:55:58am

re: #342 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

I’m only sorry I’m not there to laugh gleefully in their faces and taunt them. Now on to The Outlaw Jersey Whale himself!

I haven’t been following the trials but I did see where some had testified that Christie knew of the whole plan.

So, now that these verdicts have been handed down what is next? Do those accused get to plead down by turning to being witnesses against Trump and do the prosecutors take those deals and the testimony from the trials and then go after Christie?

Or, does the big boy governor get away now?

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 4, 2016 • 9:56:21am

re: #397 Eric The Fruit Bat

MLive: Guys adopt stray dog and puppies that crash bachelor party

Pics of puppies here.

Who let the dogs in?

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wrenchwench  Nov 4, 2016 • 9:56:26am

re: #403 Dr. Matt

Turning the Chicago River blue

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One year I was in Chicago for St. Patrick’s Day. People said, ‘Go look at the river! They turn it green!’ So I went and looked. Meh, it was a muddy green like the not-yet-blue parts in that photo. But they weren’t holding the parade until the next day because of Sunday or something. When I went back the next day, it was a bright, neon green, like the blue in the photo. Then I got to see more drunk people in public than ever, including a guy who got arrested for peeing in the street. A Chicago kind of St. Patrick’s Day.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 4, 2016 • 9:59:08am
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MsJ  Nov 4, 2016 • 10:02:19am

Anyone have an update on the transit strike in Phila?

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Franklin  Nov 4, 2016 • 10:03:06am

Listening to some old Tim McGraw. How did he ever land Faith Hill. Man, the 90’s were weird.

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Sir John Barron  Nov 4, 2016 • 10:03:36am

Just got a personal email from Meryl Streep. Which I bet none of YOU have gotten.

What was it about? I don’t know, something donate to Hillary or something.

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makeitstop  Nov 4, 2016 • 10:03:55am

Yeah, today’s Closer is a good one.

Be Angry With Donald Trump, But Not Afraid! | The Closer with Keith Olbermann | GQ

I wonder if KO is going to keep this going after the election?

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Dr. Matt  Nov 4, 2016 • 10:04:26am

FFS, the deplorable assholes are making #SpiritCooking trend. They have no shame.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 4, 2016 • 10:05:04am

He is now referring to POTUS as “our employee”.

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Sir John Barron  Nov 4, 2016 • 10:05:17am

re: #421 Dr. Matt

FFS, the deplorable assholes are making #SpiritCooking trend. They have no shame.

What’s that about? That thing from Drudge about witchcraft or something?

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 4, 2016 • 10:05:46am

Heh..

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Dr. Matt  Nov 4, 2016 • 10:06:45am

re: #423 Sir John Barron

What’s that about? That thing from Drudge about witchcraft or something?

Yeah. Fair warning before you google it or click on the hashtag on twitter. It’s awful.

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Sir John Barron  Nov 4, 2016 • 10:06:50am

re: #422 Backwoods_Sleuth

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He is now referring to POTUS as “our employee”.

The deplorables are traveling on his private jet.

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Sir John Barron  Nov 4, 2016 • 10:08:30am

re: #425 Dr. Matt

Yeah. Fair warning before you google it or click on the hashtag on twitter. It’s awful.

so the deplorables are becoming more rational and thoughtful as the election season comes to an end, is what you’re saying?

///

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MsJ  Nov 4, 2016 • 10:08:36am

re: #421 Dr. Matt

FFS, the deplorable assholes are making #SpiritCooking trend. They have no shame.

some people will believe anything.

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Sir John Barron  Nov 4, 2016 • 10:09:09am

re: #428 MsJ

some people will believe anything.

I don’t imagine they’ll take the election results well.

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dangerman  Nov 4, 2016 • 10:09:49am

re: #420 makeitstop

Yeah, today’s Closer is a good one.

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I wonder if KO is going to keep this going after the election?

the man is on fire!

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lawhawk  Nov 4, 2016 • 10:11:53am

So, Christie cronies Kelly and Baroni were found guilty on all charges.

Christie swears that he wasn’t involved and didn’t know what his underlings were doing, all while he and his underlings were telling anyone who’d listen that Christie was such a micromanager that everything had to run past him, but now that there were all these rogues who acted without Christie knowing, and that Christie was the last to know.

Reality is that this should terminate Christie’s career (it wont).

Reality is that Trump would need to address the convictions of Kelly and Baroni and their cozy relationship with Christie, and should terminate Christie’s service post-haste as his transition chair, but he wont.

Trump wont dump Christie. Not now or ever.

Christie reeks, but it’s the reek that we’re also seeing it from Rudy and his pals at the NY metro area FBI. Very cozy relationships with white guys who don’t want a woman as President, let alone Hillary Clinton. The same NY bureau that launched investigations into Clinton on the basis of a right wing hatchet job of a book/movie (Clinton Cash).

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Barefoot Grin  Nov 4, 2016 • 10:14:05am

re: #431 Franklin

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I thought I detected a stench….

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Timothy Watson  Nov 4, 2016 • 10:15:08am

re: #431 Franklin

Corey and Kellyanne? Who’s on the left?

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Sir John Barron  Nov 4, 2016 • 10:15:25am

re: #432 lawhawk

So, Christie cronies Kelly and Baroni were found guilty on all charges.

Christie swears that he wasn’t involved and didn’t know what his underlings were doing, all while he and his underlings were telling anyone who’d listen that Christie was such a micromanager that everything had to run past him, but now that there were all these rogues who acted without Christie knowing, and that Christie was the last to know.

Reality is that this should terminate Christie’s career (it wont).

Reality is that Trump would need to address the convictions of Kelly and Baroni and their cozy relationship with Christie, and should terminate Christie’s service post-haste as his transition chair, but he wont.

Trump wont dump Christie. Not now or ever.

Christie reeks, but it’s the reek that we’re also seeing it from Rudy and his pals at the NY metro area FBI. Very cozy relationships with white guys who don’t want a woman as President, let alone Hillary Clinton. The same NY bureau that launched investigations into Clinton on the basis of a right wing hatchet job of a book/movie (Clinton Cash).

we’re two others also convicted or pleaded guilty in this? I’ve seen references to this now making it four people found guilty in the lane closings.

436
The Vicious Babushka  Nov 4, 2016 • 10:15:33am

re: #386 Sir John Barron

gotta be a parody account although the name looks correct.

@reaIDonaldTrump

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Sir John Barron  Nov 4, 2016 • 10:16:03am

re: #434 Timothy Watson

Corey and Kellyanne? Who’s on the left?

A CNN executive?

//

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 4, 2016 • 10:16:22am
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Franklin  Nov 4, 2016 • 10:16:44am

re: #434 Timothy Watson

Corey and Kellyanne? Who’s on the left?

Hope Hicks

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Nov 4, 2016 • 10:17:25am
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ObserverArt  Nov 4, 2016 • 10:17:43am

re: #419 Sir John Barron

Just got a personal email from Meryl Streep. Which I bet none of YOU have gotten.

What was it about? I don’t know, something donate to Hillary or something.

Ha! I got one and was going to make a similar post. Give a few dollars to a candidate and next thing you know you get messages from The President and Vice President, The First Lady and Hollywood stars.

But I know that after Monday they will just toss me aside and I’ll end up feeling used.

But glad to have done it anyway!

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Barefoot Grin  Nov 4, 2016 • 10:19:08am

re: #439 Franklin

Hope Hicks

Actually, I think it’s “Hope Hicks, who did not respond to emails requesting comments….”

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The Vicious Babushka  Nov 4, 2016 • 10:19:59am
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Lidane  Nov 4, 2016 • 10:20:09am

Oh hey. Lookit all those Cubs fans holding a Trump rally in Philly:

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lawhawk  Nov 4, 2016 • 10:20:21am

re: #435 Sir John Barron

David Wildstein and David Sampson entered a guilty pleas.

Wildstein testified in the trial.

Samson entered guilty plea to one felony count of conspiracy in July 2016, for acts unrelated to the lane closures but unearthed by the federal Bridgegate investigation - relating to getting an airline to schedule flights to airport near his vacation home from EWR (the flights have since been discontinued because there was no demand).

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MsJ  Nov 4, 2016 • 10:23:30am

re: #432 lawhawk

So, Christie cronies Kelly and Baroni were found guilty on all charges.

Christie swears that he wasn’t involved and didn’t know what his underlings were doing, all while he and his underlings were telling anyone who’d listen that Christie was such a micromanager that everything had to run past him, but now that there were all these rogues who acted without Christie knowing, and that Christie was the last to know.

Reality is that this should terminate Christie’s career (it wont).

Reality is that Trump would need to address the convictions of Kelly and Baroni and their cozy relationship with Christie, and should terminate Christie’s service post-haste as his transition chair, but he wont.

Trump wont dump Christie. Not now or ever.

Christie reeks, but it’s the reek that we’re also seeing it from Rudy and his pals at the NY metro area FBI. Very cozy relationships with white guys who don’t want a woman as President, let alone Hillary Clinton. The same NY bureau that launched investigations into Clinton on the basis of a right wing hatchet job of a book/movie (Clinton Cash).

That bus that Christie is throwing everyone he knows under…that is one big assed bus…growing bigger with each of the Christie sycophants bust. That damned bus is going to be the size of Jersey soon.

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Franklin  Nov 4, 2016 • 10:23:43am

re: #444 Lidane

Oh hey. Lookit all those Cubs fans holding a Trump rally in Philly:

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He’s trolling.

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lawhawk  Nov 4, 2016 • 10:24:21am

re: #444 Lidane

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Lidane  Nov 4, 2016 • 10:25:01am
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Frankie Five Angels  Nov 4, 2016 • 10:25:03am

re: #209 lawhawk

That is the most glaring example of the brain-dead stupidity of the right.

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The Vicious Babushka  Nov 4, 2016 • 10:25:55am

re: #444 Lidane

Oh hey. Lookit all those Cubs fans holding a Trump rally in Philly:

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It’s a trolling shitlord who wants his tweet picked up by Trumporrhoids.

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The Vicious Babushka  Nov 4, 2016 • 10:26:53am

re: #444 Lidane

Oh hey. Lookit all those Cubs fans holding a Trump rally in Philly:

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He wants SMOTI to retweet it.

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Frankie Five Angels  Nov 4, 2016 • 10:26:57am
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lawhawk  Nov 4, 2016 • 10:27:34am

Everyone who called Trump would say that the economic stats were wrong, collect your prize.

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MsJ  Nov 4, 2016 • 10:28:08am

re: #444 Lidane

Oh hey. Lookit all those Cubs fans holding a Trump rally in Philly:

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I am pretty sure that is parody. Look at his responses. Kinda funny.

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Sir John Barron  Nov 4, 2016 • 10:28:51am

re: #449 Lidane

[Embedded content]

“So who will you vote for Tuesday?”

“Oh, Trump, of course.”

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 4, 2016 • 10:29:58am
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MsJ  Nov 4, 2016 • 10:30:16am

re: #448 lawhawk

That will never, ever be the Willis tower. It is the Sears tower and I don’t care who owns it! :-)

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lawhawk  Nov 4, 2016 • 10:30:19am

Remember when Trump said that he hires the best people and is a great judge of character. About that.

On that latter bit - the Trump scam school was supposedly run by Trump and Trump personally vetted the people who worked there so that they were the best. Turns out, not so much. Not in the US and not in Canada. It was a grift and scam. Trump scammed people out of their hard-earned money.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 4, 2016 • 10:30:31am
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Barefoot Grin  Nov 4, 2016 • 10:30:45am

re: #455 MsJ

I am pretty sure that is parody. Look at his responses. Kinda funny.

ha! good stuff.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 4, 2016 • 10:30:59am

re: #458 MsJ

That will never, ever be the Willis tower. It is the Sears tower and I don’t care who owns it! :-)

Yep, just like Toronto will always have the Skydome.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 4, 2016 • 10:31:44am
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The Vicious Babushka  Nov 4, 2016 • 10:31:50am
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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Nov 4, 2016 • 10:32:18am

re: #458 MsJ

That will never, ever be the Willis tower. It is the Sears tower and I don’t care who owns it! :-)

I don’t even know what they call the SeaFirst building in Seattle nowadays—I’m never going to call it anything else….

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Sir John Barron  Nov 4, 2016 • 10:32:50am

re: #459 lawhawk

Remember when Trump said that he hires the best people and is a great judge of character. About that.

[Embedded content]

On that latter bit - the Trump scam school was supposedly run by Trump and Trump personally vetted the people who worked there so that they were the best. Turns out, not so much. Not in the US and not in Canada. It was a grift and scam. Trump scammed people out of their hard-earned money.

Why’s Miller a ‘wonderful guy’?

He supports me, of course.

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gocart mozart  Nov 4, 2016 • 10:35:15am
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Lidane  Nov 4, 2016 • 10:37:38am

This is why we need a Democratic Senate:

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MsJ  Nov 4, 2016 • 10:37:49am

re: #462 Eclectic Cyborg

Yep, just like Toronto will always have the Skydome.

It’s not the Skydome anymore?

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Bass Reeves  Nov 4, 2016 • 10:37:49am

re: #448 lawhawk

Yeah, he’s making fun of the people who do it seriously. His TL is actually pretty funny.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 4, 2016 • 10:38:21am

re: #459 lawhawk

Trump scammed people out of their hard-earned money.

That’s one of the few things he’s actually pretty good at.

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Sir John Barron  Nov 4, 2016 • 10:38:36am

re: #468 Lidane

This is why we need a Democratic Senate:

[Embedded content]

Media: this is fine. why won’t Dems compromise?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 4, 2016 • 10:38:38am
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Targetpractice  Nov 4, 2016 • 10:38:40am

re: #432 lawhawk

So, Christie cronies Kelly and Baroni were found guilty on all charges.

Christie swears that he wasn’t involved and didn’t know what his underlings were doing, all while he and his underlings were telling anyone who’d listen that Christie was such a micromanager that everything had to run past him, but now that there were all these rogues who acted without Christie knowing, and that Christie was the last to know.

Reality is that this should terminate Christie’s career (it wont).

Reality is that Trump would need to address the convictions of Kelly and Baroni and their cozy relationship with Christie, and should terminate Christie’s service post-haste as his transition chair, but he wont.

Trump wont dump Christie. Not now or ever.

Christie reeks, but it’s the reek that we’re also seeing it from Rudy and his pals at the NY metro area FBI. Very cozy relationships with white guys who don’t want a woman as President, let alone Hillary Clinton. The same NY bureau that launched investigations into Clinton on the basis of a right wing hatchet job of a book/movie (Clinton Cash).

So how long before Kelly and/or Baroni turn evidence against their former boss in exchange for lenient sentences? It’s not as though they have anything to lose now, they’re going away regardless. The question is whether they get time in general population or in a cushy cell at Club Fed.

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gocart mozart  Nov 4, 2016 • 10:39:35am

Very prescient comments about democracy by Justice Souter in 2012.

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Sir John Barron  Nov 4, 2016 • 10:40:13am

re: #468 Lidane

This is why we need a Democratic Senate:

[Embedded content]

LET THE VOTERS DECIDE!

—-

OK not really.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 4, 2016 • 10:40:33am

“He is an equal opportunity insulter” — Hillary

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 4, 2016 • 10:40:42am

re: #469 MsJ

It’s not the Skydome anymore?

It officially became the Rogers Centre in 2005.

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gocart mozart  Nov 4, 2016 • 10:40:44am
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BeachDem  Nov 4, 2016 • 10:40:45am

re: #442 Barefoot Grin

Actually, I think it’s “Hope Hicks, who did not respond to emails requesting comments….”

Or, “Spokesmodel, Hope Hicks, who did not respond to emails requesting comments and whose previous position was doing PR and modeling for Ivanka and, according to a WaPo story, has the incredibly important responsibility for being involved in Trump’s Twitter account, noting that she sometimes “takes dictation and sends the words to aides” to then be tweeted.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 4, 2016 • 10:41:19am
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BeachDem  Nov 4, 2016 • 10:42:32am

re: #446 MsJ

That bus that Christie is throwing everyone he knows under…that is one big assed bus…growing bigger with each of the Christie sycophants bust. That damned bus is going to be the size of Jersey Christie soon.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Nov 4, 2016 • 10:43:31am

So what time of day was Comey’s coup attempt last Friday? Is it time to quit waiting for Rick Wilson’s famous oppo dump against Trump? I guess he was just full of shit then?

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BeenHereAwhile  Nov 4, 2016 • 10:44:00am

re: #156 Decatur Deb

Why was the traditionally-unpopular conspiracy charge brought? You don’t charge 3 bank robbers with conspiracy when you catch them robbing a bank.

To “conspire” to commit a federal crime adds counts to an indictment.

Conspiracy charges give US prosecutors a lot of wiggle room in pre-trial and court proceedings.

IMHO, this jury was predisposed to not convict.

A unanimous vote is required in federal criminal trials in order for a jury to find defendant(s) guilty as charged in each count.

485
Frankie Five Angels  Nov 4, 2016 • 10:44:28am

Too late, asshole.


This is so egregious, Baier will get promoted. If he worked for a real news organization he would’ve been fired already.
486
FormerDirtDart  Nov 4, 2016 • 10:44:45am

I understand people make mistakes, but, whomever runs CBS News’ twitter account should be fired.
People that stupid should not be in a position to inform people.

@CBSNews
It’s official — President Obama has been in the White House for eight full years!

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lawhawk  Nov 4, 2016 • 10:45:16am

Bitter fucking tears.

You pushed lies and smears. Let me repeat that.

The right wing nuts pushed nothing but lies and smears, wishing it to be true.

It wasn’t. It was complete and utter BS.

It didn’t stop the right wing echo chamber from pushing it endlessly, setting up another round of imminent indictment BS.

Which, to repeat myself - was complete and utter BS.

The GOP and right wing have only themselves to blame for not only setting up the echo chamber, but refusing to accept any facts that are contrary to their worldview. That Beier admits he lied/mistaken in that reporting doesn’t change things. He ran the piece on no evidence whatsoever. The damage done from that nonsense is incalculable.

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ObserverArt  Nov 4, 2016 • 10:46:59am

re: #475 gocart mozart

Very prescient comments about democracy by Justice Souter in 2012.

[Embedded content]

Heh, I ran across that a couple weeks ago and posted the full discussion here. That is some foretelling by the ex-Justice.

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MsJ  Nov 4, 2016 • 10:48:00am

re: #478 Eclectic Cyborg

It officially became the Rogers Centre in 2005.

Nope.

Skydome - forever.

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FormerDirtDart  Nov 4, 2016 • 10:48:29am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 4, 2016 • 10:48:46am
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Stanley Sea  Nov 4, 2016 • 10:49:05am

re: #486 FormerDirtDart

I understand people make mistakes, but, whomever runs CBS News’ twitter account should be fired.
People that stupid should not be in a position to inform people.

[Embedded content]

Just made me remember, wasn’t POTUS disrespected in some way , having to stay in a DC hotel in 2008-9? Vague memory….

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lawhawk  Nov 4, 2016 • 10:50:18am

re: #491 Backwoods_Sleuth

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gocart mozart  Nov 4, 2016 • 10:50:23am
495
MsJ  Nov 4, 2016 • 10:50:42am

re: #485 Frankie Five Angels

Too late, asshole.

[Embedded content]

This is so egregious, Baier will get promoted. If he worked for a real news organization he would’ve been fired already.

it wasn’t a mistake and it wasn’t inartful, it was an deliberate lie.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Nov 4, 2016 • 10:51:24am

re: #484 BeenHereAwhile

To “conspire” to commit a federal crime adds counts to an indictment.

Conspiracy charges give US prosecutors a lot of wiggle room in pre-trial and court proceedings.

IMHO, this jury was predisposed to not convict.

A unanimous vote is required in federal criminal trials in order for a jury to find defendant(s) guilty as charged in each count.

Clarence Darrow said (no quotes because it may not be exactly word for word): In this country we can’t put a 10-year-old boy in jail for stealing a dime—but we can put two 10-year-old boys in jail for conspiring together to steal a dime, even if they fail in the attempt.

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lawhawk  Nov 4, 2016 • 10:54:40am

It’s not Friday night yet. Enough with the news dumps:

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dangerman  Nov 4, 2016 • 10:54:48am

re: #496 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Clarence Darrow said (no quotes because it may not be exactly word for word): In this country we can’t put a 10-year-old boy in jail for stealing a dime--but we can put two 10-year-old boys in jail for conspiring together to steal a dime, even if they fail in the attempt.

really, why not? letter of the law. same law for everyone. personal responsibility blah blah blah

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 4, 2016 • 10:54:53am

CLEVELAND, Ohio — A federal judge on Friday said he will issue a restraining order against Donald Trump’s campaign and longtime adviser Roger Stone to avoid “harassing or intimidating conduct” at polling places on Nov. 8 Election Day.

U.S. District Judge James Gwin did not specify exactly what will or will not be allowed but said the order would likely be generic and prohibit both Democrats and Republicans from any harassment of people entering and leaving polling places.

snip

The Democrats filed a lawsuit Sunday against state Republicans, Trump’s campaign and longtime Trump adviser Roger Stone saying they fear that an aggressive presence from Trump supporters could discourage voters from the black community and other groups.

The judge said he will order the restraining order against Trump’s campaign and Stone, who did not have an attorney present. He did not order it against the Ohio Republican Party, saying there was not enough evidence to show that a restraining order against it was needed.

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FormerDirtDart  Nov 4, 2016 • 10:54:54am

re: #492 Stanley Sea

Just made me remember, wasn’t POTUS disrespected in some way , having to stay in a DC hotel in 2008-9? Vague memory….

I believe it was more a scheduling problem. President Elect Obama arrived in DC about two weeks earlier than predecessors.

Q: Why did the Obamas stay at a hotel instead of Blair House?
A: The family wanted the daughters to start school in early January, much earlier in the month than recent presidents have taken up residence there. The Bush administration said the guest house was unavailable, and a former Australian prime minister stayed there Jan. 12.

FactCheck.Org-Blair House

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Lidane  Nov 4, 2016 • 10:56:23am

The Republican denial on display here is amazing:

The Sociopath

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BeachDem  Nov 4, 2016 • 10:57:05am

re: #492 Stanley Sea

Just made me remember, wasn’t POTUS disrespected in some way , having to stay in a DC hotel in 2008-9? Vague memory….

Yep—Laura Bush had a little hand in it.

voices.washingtonpost.com

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 4, 2016 • 11:00:16am
504
lawhawk  Nov 4, 2016 • 11:00:53am

Oh look. Snopes now fact-checking Rage Furby claims:

snopes.com

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Decatur Deb  Nov 4, 2016 • 11:01:29am

re: #484 BeenHereAwhile

To “conspire” to commit a federal crime adds counts to an indictment.

Conspiracy charges give US prosecutors a lot of wiggle room in pre-trial and court proceedings.

IMHO, this jury was predisposed to not convict.

A unanimous vote is required in federal criminal trials in order for a jury to find defendant(s) guilty as charged in each count.

Well, that certainly worked.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 4, 2016 • 11:02:37am

re: #497 lawhawk

It’s not Friday night yet. Enough with the news dumps:

[Embedded content]

You just know who is going to claim credit for this…

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 4, 2016 • 11:04:33am
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Kragar  Nov 4, 2016 • 11:04:54am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 4, 2016 • 11:06:47am

welp, that kinda explains things…

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Sir John Barron  Nov 4, 2016 • 11:07:39am

re: #509 Backwoods_Sleuth

For 26 years, I’ve eaten 2 ham & cheese sandwiches nearly everyday. Like millions of Americans, I bring my own lunch to work. pic.twitter.com
— Scott Walker

Gosh, how could we not have nominated this great, humble man?

////

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Decatur Deb  Nov 4, 2016 • 11:09:08am

When ratfucking is a policy, not a ploy:

Southern states have closed down at least 868 polling places for the 2016 election

vox.com

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Belafon  Nov 4, 2016 • 11:15:13am

re: #511 Decatur Deb

When ratfucking is a policy, not a ploy:

Southern states have closed down at least 868 polling places for the 2016 election

vox.com

I lay this at Roberts’ feet.

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Dr. Matt  Nov 4, 2016 • 11:15:37am

re: #493 lawhawk

Guess @PaulManafort is auditioning for the role of @karlrove in this year’s election. To win role, stomp off in tiff over OH!
— lawhawk (@lawhawk) November 4, 2016

I was actually thinking earlier it may be Mark Halperin auditioning for the role of Turd Blossom.

514
Teukka  Nov 4, 2016 • 11:28:53am

re: #475 gocart mozart

My blood turned to ice at the same moment in the talk also.

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allegro  Nov 4, 2016 • 11:43:37am

Finally accomplished my civic duty and did the voting thing after several false starts. First thing I noticed when arriving at the voting location was that one would never know this was a national presidential election. Of all the hundreds of signs for various downticket candidates there was only one sign I saw for either presidential candidate, a little “Latinos for Trump” sign buried amongst the rest. Very weird.

Today is the last day of early voting and there was a very long line. Took me a bit over an hour to get to the voting area. For comparison in past elections, this is the first time I have ever had to stand in line really at all, never more than 5-6 people ahead of me. Being Houston and a heavy minority area in general, the voters were a wide ethnic mix. Everyone was mellow and friendly and we got the sillies as we finally made it to the room to vote after winding around room to room and down the long hall, making a pact to scream in unison on the count of 3 if we were funneled into yet another room of winding line.

Didn’t get my reward margs for the effort but I feel terrific having voted a straight Dem ticket. (And I did stop and pick up a big Smirnoff Ice cuz hey, I deserve it.)

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Jebediah, RBG  Nov 4, 2016 • 11:46:51am

re: #380 Charles Johnson

If that shit is actionable, RF might be in trouble. Gloria Allred isn’t terribly shy about engaging in legal proceedings, after all.


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