In Reno, Trump Rushed Off Stage When Crowd Freaks Out Over a Republican With a Sign

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Tonight in Reno, Nevada, the Secret Service suddenly interrupted Donald Trump’s rant to rush him off stage after a disturbance broke out in the audience.

A man was taken into custody, but it was quickly determined that he was not threatening Trump, and had no gun. He was trying to unfold a sign saying “Republicans Against Trump.”

But the crowd immediately attacked him, and here’s his account:

But even though this was not an assassination attempt, Trump’s son Donald Trump Jr. and Trump’s social media director Dan Scavino immediately got on Twitter and pictured it as one:

I’m glad there was no assassination attempt. I may be totally opposed to Donald Trump and everything he stands for, but I don’t want to see him harmed.

But it’s disgusting to see Trump’s people instantly try to capitalize on it, and promote a false narrative.

Here’s another tweet from the dishonest hack both Scavino and Trump Jr. cited tonight:

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531 comments

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Unshaken Defiance  Nov 5, 2016 • 9:14:34pm
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goddamnedfrank  Nov 5, 2016 • 9:17:06pm
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The Ghost of a Flea  Nov 5, 2016 • 9:17:52pm

Note the elision of guilt that’s being done as the story develops and the guy with a gun turns out to be a guy with a sign that isn’t being held.

This dude wasn’t an assassin, didn’t have a gun, yet because he was “perceived” as being a threat in a very amorphous way, it’s right and good that he be treated as though he really were a danger.

And in turn, that he’s a “paid agitator” means that anything that happened to him in the crowd is his fault.

So a different, gross form of post-truth reality: wrongdoing does not connect in any way to what was actually done.

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teleskiguy  Nov 5, 2016 • 9:17:59pm
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unproven innocence  Nov 5, 2016 • 9:19:01pm

This was sooo different from what happened recently when a Trump supporter appeared at a rally where Obama was speaking in support of Hillary.

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electrotek  Nov 5, 2016 • 9:19:35pm

Wow, look at the speed of the Deplorables wanting to lynch someone who is not part of them:

Facebook Post

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b.d.  Nov 5, 2016 • 9:22:01pm

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jaunte  Nov 5, 2016 • 9:22:04pm

Not sure the unhinged will be able to organize a group protest; it’s the unstable idividuals that are going to be a problem.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 5, 2016 • 9:22:30pm

re: #6 electrotek

Wow, look at the speed of the Deplorables wanting to lynch someone who is not part of them:

facebook.com

He’ll have death threats against him by morning, guaranteed.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 5, 2016 • 9:24:05pm

re: #8 jaunte

Trump leading protests? LOL, yeah like that’ll ever happen.

He’ll just sit back and watch them from his gold plated penthouse.

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Charles Johnson  Nov 5, 2016 • 9:24:27pm

The crowd viciously attacked this guy before anyone shouted about a gun.

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jaunte  Nov 5, 2016 • 9:25:41pm

re: #11 Charles Johnson

Because they have no tools to meet opposition except violence.

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electrotek  Nov 5, 2016 • 9:26:33pm

WTF does his name in a Wikileaks dump have anything to do with, well, anything???

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Reality Based Steve  Nov 5, 2016 • 9:32:45pm

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It’s a fun place to dive, here’s my shameless plug for mermetsprings.com . They have the fuselage from the Boeing 727 from the movie U.S. Marshalls sunk there. Swim in at about 30 feet and out about 60 feet or so. Also have paddlefish, which are sort of prehistoric looking. I haven’t seen one yet, maybe this time will be the charm.

Catch you all later.

RBS

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whitebeach  Nov 5, 2016 • 9:32:47pm

re: #12 jaunte

Because they have no tools to meet opposition except violence.

That worked out so well for them after Fort Sumter they can’t wait to try it again.

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b.d.  Nov 5, 2016 • 9:33:13pm

This sign protest instills me with confidence that a Trump administration won’t blow any international incident out of proportion.

//

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jaunte  Nov 5, 2016 • 9:33:48pm

re: #15 whitebeach

No brains or memory either.

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unproven innocence  Nov 5, 2016 • 9:33:50pm

Videos of this event will likely get replayed on Trump’s new info-tainment channels, but they are undecided about whether they can call it Ow, My Balls.

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BeachDem  Nov 5, 2016 • 9:35:28pm

OK, bringing my question from the last thread over here. Who is this Jack Posobiec “Citizens for Trump” guy?

What is up with him? Says former CBS producer—can’t find anything on that, claims Navy vet and with 3 tours overseas/ Navy intelligence —from Philly (although sometimes from Baltimore)and a whole lot of other stuff that there’s no info about other than his bullshit. Apparently (at least according to Dim Jim) he dressed up once as Hillary in an orange jumpsuit, has been on Info Wars (of course) and also claims credit for rumors about a Hillary Chinese fundraiser and lots of other bogus crap.

Anyone find anything concrete about the asshole?

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b.d.  Nov 5, 2016 • 9:39:16pm

yep, Hillary did it!

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 5, 2016 • 9:39:17pm

re: #20 jaunte

Ha ha ha. That’s going to be a fun hashtag.

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teleskiguy  Nov 5, 2016 • 9:40:27pm

HE WAS A DEMOCRAT!!!

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jaunte  Nov 5, 2016 • 9:42:34pm

re: #22 Eclectic Cyborg

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teleskiguy  Nov 5, 2016 • 9:44:09pm

re: #23 teleskiguy

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Belafon  Nov 5, 2016 • 9:46:11pm

Did anyone else see that ad during SNL called “The Clintons” made to spoof the Simpsons, talking about the baggage that the Clintons will bring back to the White House, from some group called Future 45? It even had Bill hitting on the reporter at the end.

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ipsos  Nov 5, 2016 • 9:47:04pm

re: #26 Belafon

Did anyone else see that ad during SNL called “The Clintons” made to spoof the Simpsons, talking about the baggage that the Clintons will bring back to the White House, from some group called Future 45? It even had Bill hitting on the reporter at the end.

Must have been a national buy… saw it here in upstate NY, and cringed. Blech.

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goddamnedfrank  Nov 5, 2016 • 9:48:29pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 5, 2016 • 9:52:39pm

re: #26 Belafon

Did anyone else see that ad during SNL called “The Clintons” made to spoof the Simpsons, talking about the baggage that the Clintons will bring back to the White House, from some group called Future 45? It even had Bill hitting on the reporter at the end.

“The Clintons” Cartoon Ad

The supposedly independent group (yeah right) appears to be based out of Scottsdale AZ.

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Belafon  Nov 5, 2016 • 9:53:53pm

re: #29 goddamnedfrank

“LALALALA I can’t hear you because of my blinding whiteness.”

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BeachDem  Nov 5, 2016 • 10:04:04pm

re: #21 b.d.

yep, Hillary did it!

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Wait, now he’s a sympathetic hero because some yahoo held up a sign? We have fallen down the rabbit hole, through the crust of the Earth and into a black hole on the other side of the universe.

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BeachDem  Nov 5, 2016 • 10:08:18pm

Don’t forget to set your clocks back tonight, those of you on DST.

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stpaulbear  Nov 5, 2016 • 10:13:44pm

re: #33 BeachDem

Don’t forget to set your clocks back tonight, those of you on DST.

Don’t forget that starting tomorrow it is going to be dark before dinnertime. I hate when DST ends…

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retired cynic  Nov 5, 2016 • 10:14:10pm

re: #33 BeachDem

Don’t forget to set your clocks back tonight, those of you on DST.

I’m only going back an hour, because Hillary is going to win on Tuesday.

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teleskiguy  Nov 5, 2016 • 10:16:41pm

re: #34 stpaulbear

Don’t forget that starting tomorrow it is going to be dark before dinnertime. I hate when DST ends…

YAY! More daylight in the morning!

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stpaulbear  Nov 5, 2016 • 10:19:02pm

re: #36 teleskiguy

YAY! More daylight in the morning!

I’ve never been a morning person. I sleep in until the last possible moment.

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teleskiguy  Nov 5, 2016 • 10:23:46pm

Trying to sell himself as a Christ figure in Colorado, I see.

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retired cynic  Nov 5, 2016 • 10:26:42pm

re: #38 teleskiguy

Trying to sell himself as a Christ figure in Colorado, I see.

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My dreams have never had anything to do with Donald Trump. Maybe a couple of nightmares, but not real dreams!

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majii  Nov 5, 2016 • 10:33:02pm

re: #38 teleskiguy

“Trump: “I’m asking you to dream big b/c with your vote, we are just 3 days away from the change you’ve been waiting for your entire life.”“

I can clearly recall that nine years ago when a certain candidate for POTUS used the slogan, “Change We Can Believe In,” these same individuals were having conniption fits because the guy was going to “transform America into a nation they would no longer recognize.” Now a guy comes along and says he wants to change/transform America, and it’s OK for him to say it. I also recall that the guy was attacked endlessly for including “hope” as one of his campaign slogans. It’s funny how, for certain persons, it depends on who is saying a particular word that suddenly makes it new refreshing, and different.

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KGxvi  Nov 5, 2016 • 10:33:46pm

re: #39 retired cynic

My dreams have never had anything to do with Donald Trump. Maybe a couple of nightmares, but not real dreams!

The change I’ve been waiting my whole life for involves faster than light travel and aliens and possibly lightsabers. I don’t think Donald Trump is getting us there

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KGxvi  Nov 5, 2016 • 10:35:08pm

re: #40 majii

Inherent in the “we want our country back” bullshit that we’ve heard from so many wingnuts in the last 8 years is the unspoken premise that the country belongs exclusively to them and not to all of us

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allegro  Nov 5, 2016 • 10:43:25pm

re: #38 teleskiguy

Trump: “I’m asking you to dream big b/c with your vote, we are just 3 days away from the change you’ve been waiting for your entire life.”

My dreams as a woman were to be taken seriously for my intellect, skills and abilities, not my tits or my ass, asshole.

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BeachDem  Nov 5, 2016 • 10:53:18pm

re: #36 teleskiguy

YAY! More daylight in the morning!

Boo, less daylight in the evening.

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allegro  Nov 5, 2016 • 10:55:44pm

re: #44 BeachDem

Boo, less daylight in the evening.

And more time for chilling outside by a campfire. :)

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Nov 5, 2016 • 10:58:35pm

re: #30 Eclectic Cyborg

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The supposedly independent group (yeah right) appears to be based out of Scottsdale AZ.

just think - in three not so short days we will be all done with this hell, and move forward into a bright future filled with more bullshit and lying crap

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FormerDirtDart  Nov 5, 2016 • 11:11:55pm
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goddamnedfrank  Nov 5, 2016 • 11:18:14pm

1 Washington state Democratic elector won’t support Clinton, another won’t commit.

This is the awful parting gift of Bernie Sanders’ shitheel campaign and how they were able to game the undemocratic caucus system to fuck over voters. Remember that Sanders actually lost the WA State primary which had far greater participation, but the State Democratic Party only held their State Convention based on caucus results, and that’s when they picked and voted on the Electors. Now two of those electors are poised to possibly fuck the entire country over if the election is close all because they didn’t get their goddamned ponycorn.

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Cheechako  Nov 5, 2016 • 11:19:20pm

Notice the change to move back to Daylight Standard time way back into November this year? Just another Republican voter suppression tactic to confuse voters on the hours the polls are open for voting.

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TedStriker  Nov 5, 2016 • 11:20:13pm

re: #50 Cheechako

Notice the change to move back to Daylight Standard time way back into November this year? Just another Republican voter suppression tactic to confuse voters on the hours the polls are open for voting.

Uhhh, you missing a sarc tag or something?

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Cheechako  Nov 5, 2016 • 11:23:27pm

re: #51 TedStriker

Uhhh, you missing a sarc tag or something?

No…think about it. How many people will show up for church tomorrow at the wrong time?

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CuriousLurker  Nov 5, 2016 • 11:24:35pm

Dropping off a drive-by public service announcement. Take your pick—the first is an article, the second an an 18-minute audio report with more details:

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bratwurst  Nov 5, 2016 • 11:25:46pm

re: #52 Cheechako

No…think about it. How many people will show up for church tomorrow at the wrong time?

Worked a couple of different retail jobs as a young man where people showed up an hour early to work on the Sunday morning after clocks fell back. Sucked to be them.

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Anymouse  Nov 5, 2016 • 11:32:19pm

re: #44 BeachDem

Boo, less daylight in the evening.

Yay, better chance to see auroras in Nebraska.

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Cheechako  Nov 5, 2016 • 11:33:44pm

The only good part of changing from Daylight Savings time to Daylight Standard time this late in the year is that it’s only 45 days until winter solstice and the days start getting longer. Big deal up here in Alaska.

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Anymouse  Nov 5, 2016 • 11:34:49pm

re: #49 goddamnedfrank

1 Washington state Democratic elector won’t support Clinton, another won’t commit.

This is the awful parting gift of Bernie Sanders’ shitheel campaign and how they were able to game the undemocratic caucus system to fuck over voters. Remember that Sanders actually lost the WA State primary which had far greater participation, but the State Democratic Party only held their State Convention based on caucus results, and that’s when they picked and voted on the Electors. Now two of those electors are poised to possibly fuck the entire country over if the election is close all because they didn’t get their goddamned ponycorn.

My understanding is that Washington state has a $1,000 fine for a faithless elector.

How much of this is bluster on the elector’s part?

Moreover, since Senator Sanders has endorsed Sec’y Clinton, perhaps it would be worthwhile (and not costly) to have Bernie call said faithless elector and tell him he has rocks where his brain should be?

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goddamnedfrank  Nov 5, 2016 • 11:52:21pm

re: #57 Anymouse

My understanding is that Washington state has a $1,000 fine for a faithless elector.

How much of this is bluster on the elector’s part?

Moreover, since Senator Sanders has endorsed Sec’y Clinton, perhaps it would be worthwhile (and not costly) to have Bernie call said faithless elector and tell him he has rocks where his brain should be?

Satiacum isn’t bluffing at all, his father was mildly (in)famous and Jr. is looking for his chance to be a big deal on the national scene. The $1000 fine is a joke, the penalty should be the same as deliberate election fraud depriving millions of voters of their franchise rights. The penalty should include the entire cost of running the election and decades in jail.

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Anymouse  Nov 5, 2016 • 11:56:56pm

re: #58 goddamnedfrank

Satiacum isn’t bluffing at all, his father was mildly (in)famous and Jr. is looking for his chance to be a big deal on the national scene. The $1000 fine is a joke, the penalty should be the same as deliberate election fraud depriving millions of voters of their franchise rights. The penalty should include the entire cost of running the election and decades in jail.

Faithless electors are very rare in American politics, that said, could not Washington add a jail sentence for that?

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Anymouse  Nov 5, 2016 • 11:03:04pm

Curious side note: Central Time Zone is now officially the same time as my own Mountain Time Zone for the next hour.

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goddamnedfrank  Nov 5, 2016 • 11:19:18pm

re: #59 Anymouse

Faithless electors are very rare in American politics, that said, could not Washington add a jail sentence for that?

It’s the caucus system that’s the fucking problem. The National Party needs to use their muscle and tell every State Party that it’s primary elections only from here on out, any delegates awarded via caucus results will have no voting power at the National Convention. They should also only allow electors from the slate chosen by the campaign that wins nationally, when in doubt pre-elect multiple slates and finalize at the convention.

This is happening now because Sanders campaign was so strongly infiltrated by non-Democrats with zero party loyalty, and Sanders unfortunately encouraged it with his horrid choice in surrogates like Cornel West and Susan Sarandon. Sanders’ fueled this with his deliberate vagueness surrounding whether he was a Democrat or not. His strategy also hurt his primary chances in many states by not actively encouraging his followers to join the Party and by stoking unreasonable resentments against it as he lost. Washington State is probably the worst example of how this has all backfired horribly in the long run and it’s definitely on Sanders to do everything he can to un-fuck the situation.

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Anymouse  Nov 5, 2016 • 11:28:41pm

re: #61 goddamnedfrank

It’s the caucus system that’s the fucking problem. The National Party needs to use their muscle and tell every State Party that it’s primary elections only from here on out, any delegates awarded via caucus results will have no voting power at the National Convention. They should also only allow electors from the slate chosen by the campaign that wins nationally, when in doubt pre-elect multiple slates and finalize at the convention.

This is happening now because Sanders campaign was so strongly infiltrated by non-Democrats with zero party loyalty, and Sanders unfortunately encouraged it with his horrid choice in surrogates like Cornel West and Susan Sarandon. Sanders’ fueled this with his deliberate vagueness surrounding whether he was a Democrat or not. His strategy also hurt his primary chances in many states by not actively encouraging his followers to join the Party and by stoking unreasonable resentments against it as he lost. Washington State is probably the worst example of how this has all backfired horribly in the long run and it’s definitely on Sanders to do everything he can to un-fuck the situation.

Caucuses are not just a problem of the state party though.

Here in a deeply Red state, the state requires caucuses (that way the state doesn’t have to pay for a primary election).

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goddamnedfrank  Nov 5, 2016 • 11:38:33pm

re: #62 Anymouse

Caucuses are not just a problem of the state party though.

Here in a deeply Red state, the state requires caucuses (that way the state doesn’t have to pay for a primary election).

It’s especially bullshit for places like Nebraska to force a largely rural population to drive what may be many miles to their nearest precinct caucus meeting. If they want to control costs they should go all mail in like Oregon and other states are doing. Of course red states won’t do this because it’s basically impossible to intimidate minority mail in voters and since you only need to provide ID when you register voter ID laws won’t work to disenfranchise as intended either.

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Single-handed sailor  Nov 5, 2016 • 11:41:21pm

re: #59 Anymouse

Faithless electors are very rare in American politics, that said, could not Washington add a jail sentence for that?

At first I liked that idea but then I chose to err on the side of conscience. Wouldn’t we feel justified if electors, as a matter of conscience, refused to vote for Trump. So, I agree it should be painful, I don’t think it would be just if a jail sentence was imposed.

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Single-handed sailor  Nov 5, 2016 • 11:43:27pm

re: #56 Cheechako

The only good part of changing from Daylight Savings time to Daylight Standard time this late in the year is that it’s only 45 days until winter solstice and the days start getting longer. Big deal up here in Alaska.

What do you get, 6 hours of day on December 21st?

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goddamnedfrank  Nov 5, 2016 • 11:44:03pm

Son of a bitch.

U.S. District Judge John Michael Vazquez denied the Democratic National Committee’s requests to hold the Republican in contempt of court for allegedly violating the decree. He also denied the DNC’s request to place an injunction on the RNC’s alleged ballot security activities. Finally, he denied for now its request to extend by eight years the length of consent decree, which otherwise expires December 2017.

The DNC had brought the legal action last month, with accusations that the RNC was assisting the Donald Trump campaign’s poll watcher efforts. The RNC denied any collaboration with the Trump campaign on ballot security initiatives and said it had followed the decree.

The judge said that the Democrats did not provide enough evidence to prove that Trump was acting as an “agent” of the RNC, as the decree spells out that it applies only to the RNC and its agents. (The activities of state Republican parties — with the exception of New Jersey’s — are not covered by the decree, nor are individual candidates or campaigns if they are acting independently of the RNC.)

The Court views the actual issue in this case as whether the RNC is working in concert with the Trump Campaign on voter fraud programs,” the opinion said.

He’s their official goddamned nominee and standard bearer, everything he does is by definition in concert with the RNC.

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Anymouse  Nov 6, 2016 • 1:37:59am

re: #63 goddamnedfrank

It’s especially bullshit for places like Nebraska to force a largely rural population to drive what may be many miles to their nearest precinct caucus meeting. If they want to control costs they should go all mail in like Oregon and other states are doing. Of course red states won’t do this because it’s basically impossible to intimidate minority mail in voters and since you only need to provide ID when you register voter ID laws won’t work to disenfranchise as intended either.

Well, my caucus site is forty miles from my home.

I am not sure what the heck Nebraska does, as we have both a caucus and a primary.

As for mail voting, the state when it went to mail voting cited savings and cost (I suppose if you are a fiscal conservative, that actually makes sense). Note that mail voting such as Oregon and Nebraska does not address the conservative moral panic of the decade, in person voter fraud.

Note also that uber-conservative Nebraska makes it just as easy as Oregon and Washington. It is almost as if conservatives are only concerned about in-person voter fraud in places where voting might be close. Where conservatives have a commanding majority like my state, they make it very easy to vote.

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Nyet  Nov 6, 2016 • 1:41:34am

re: #57 Anymouse

Moreover, since Senator Sanders has endorsed Sec’y Clinton, perhaps it would be worthwhile (and not costly) to have Bernie call said faithless elector and tell him he has rocks where his brain should be?

It wouldn’t be worthwhile because it wouldn’t work.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Nov 6, 2016 • 1:48:08am

re: #48 FormerDirtDart

He’s jealous, because Bey is far better looking than anyone on his celebrity team. Probably younger, too.

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Nyet  Nov 6, 2016 • 1:49:51am

re: #58 goddamnedfrank

Satiacum isn’t bluffing at all, his father was mildly (in)famous and Jr. is looking for his chance to be a big deal on the national scene. The $1000 fine is a joke, the penalty should be the same as deliberate election fraud depriving millions of voters of their franchise rights. The penalty should include the entire cost of running the election and decades in jail.

I don’t think there should be a penalty at all.
Not only because I think there should be no electoral college at all.
But rather even if the illogical EC system is to stay in place, it still needs no electors. The act of physical voting by an elector is irrelevant, those should all be just numbers accepted from the states electronically and automatically.
So no penalty would be necessary.

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Anymouse  Nov 6, 2016 • 1:50:21am

re: #68 Nyet

It wouldn’t be worthwhile because it wouldn’t work.

In that case, if Senator Sanders himself were to call the person who is saying he will be a faithless elector, and that person told Bernie to take a hike, I would question whether that person was a Bernie supporter in the first place.

I supported Senator Sanders. I caucused for him. He was both the winner of my county and my state. (The county Democratic Party asked me to be a delegate for the state convention to vote for Sen. Sanders but I had to decline as I was scheduled for surgery.)

That said, as the primaries wound down to the bitter end and it was obvious that Senator Sanders was losing in a landslide, I put my support behind our party’s nominee (Hillary Clinton).

I am not one of those who are “holding their nose to vote for Hillary to oppose Donald.” I enthusiastically support the nominee of my party. I think Hillary Clinton is an excellent choice; that the candidate I supported lost is not a problem; Mrs. Clinton represents the majority opinion of the Democratic Party and Senator Sanders is still in the Senate to support Sec’y Clinton.

I think the primaries came out well; Mrs. Clinton running unopposed would have left a question mark in many people’s minds. Having a hard-fought primary campaign against Bernie Sanders allowed Hillary Clinton to sharpen her arguments and was positive preparation for the General Election.

I could not be prouder of my vote in the election for Hillary Clinton; it is up there with the very first vote I cast (for the reëlection of Jimmy Carter).

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Nyet  Nov 6, 2016 • 1:02:53am

re: #71 Anymouse

You questioning his Bernie credentials won’t make him do his duty either.

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goddamnedfrank  Nov 6, 2016 • 1:31:19am

re: #70 Nyet

I don’t think there should be a penalty at all.
Not only because I think there should be no electoral college at all.
But rather even if the illogical EC system is to stay in place, it still needs no electors. The act of physical voting by an elector is irrelevant, those should all be just numbers accepted from the states electronically and automatically.
So no penalty would be necessary.

Unfortunately the Electors are Constitutionally mandated and defined as people (non-office holders) who are appointed by the State legislatures that meet and vote for President and Vice President. We can’t bypass them without changing the Constitution and if we’re going to do that then it’d be better, and arguably easier, to just scrap the EC system entirely and go with popular vote.

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Nyet  Nov 6, 2016 • 1:34:03am

re: #73 goddamnedfrank

While popular vote should be a no-brainer, it won’t be, because those who benefit from it won’t give up their benefits.

But they could be convinced of streamlining the process.

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Anymouse  Nov 6, 2016 • 1:38:58am

Well, I am not going to worry about one faithless elector in Washington. If he is just making noise for attention, well, it won’t help. If he does disenfranchise a bunch of voters in Washington, I suspect he’ll have to go into hiding.

As for my district, NE-3, we’re still the one where if Hillary Clinton gets ten votes she’ll be doing well:

projects.fivethirtyeight.com

(Forecast model for NE3)

With all the bellyaching over living in red Texas or South Carolina, spare a moment for this poor liberal who lives in the district that put RED into “Russia meddling in our elections.”

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Nyet  Nov 6, 2016 • 1:43:39am

re: #75 Anymouse

BTW I remember you writing that all ties with Trump supporters should be cut, even if they are family members. But that’s hardly possible where you live without becoming an outcast, no?

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Anymouse  Nov 6, 2016 • 1:59:31am

re: #76 Nyet

BTW I remember you writing that all ties with Trump supporters should be cut, even if they are family members. But that’s hardly possible where you live without becoming an outcast, no?

Well, there was a bit more nuance to my argument than that.

For example, my sister was one of the first people married in California after Proposition 8 was overturned.

Anyone who holds that marriage equality (including family and friends, none of mine who hold that idea) should be overturned is in direct opposition to my sister’s happiness.

Such a person therefore to me would be cut from my circle of friends.

While I have no Muslim family members (and since I left the Navy no Muslim friends), anyone who says they support the idea of rounding up Muslims or banning them from entry is in fundamental opposition to the idea of freedom of religion. As an atheist, if someone opposes the idea of freedom of religion as outlined in the US Constitution, they are not supporting the ideals I swore both as a sailor and a village trustee to uphold.

Someone claiming that the grandchildren of unlawful immigrants (Rep Steve King, IA, R, early Trump supporter) ought to be rounded up and deported is saying I ought to be rounded up and deported.

Trumpsters arguing to revoke the right of women to vote (including paradoxically Ann Coulter) are arguing to disenfranchise more than half our nation. They do not stand for a democratic republic.

Fortunately, the only person in my family that supported Mr. Trump (my favourite cousin) changed her support from Mr. Trump to Mrs. Clinton when he attacked Megyn Kelly. She saw in his attack what might happen to all women.

The idea I presented was not to forever cut off a relative, but if a relative is trying to strip my rights or those in my family, then yes, cut them off.

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Nyet  Nov 6, 2016 • 2:08:35am

re: #77 Anymouse

Well if they support Trump, they are trying to strip people of rights, and if I gather correctly, most of your neighbors are Trumpers… I just doubt the cutting off thing works when you are in the minority.

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Anymouse  Nov 6, 2016 • 2:17:21am

re: #78 Nyet

Well if they support Trump, they are trying to strip people of rights, and if I gather correctly, most of your neighbors are Trumpers… I just doubt the cutting off thing works when you are in the minority.

A good number of my neighbours have told me they will not vote. They are upset with Mr. Trump’s train-wreck of negative information.

I don’t encourage people not to vote, as I see that as opposed to my position of a village trustee. I want as many people to vote as are eligible, and Nebraska makes voting very easy.

As for my neighbours who do support Mr. Trump, they already know I am a flaming liberal, my sister is in a same-sex marriage, I’m an atheist, I edit erotic Romance novels, and they still reëlected me to the village board, even though I was stumping for raising village employee pay significantly above the state minimum wage. (The village has four paid employees: Library director, ass’t director, village clerk, village mechanic.)

There is a bit of nuance here. As far as I know, when I talk about Mr. Trump’s actual positions with voters in my village and ask someone to consider what the result of such a position might mean (like deporting the grandchildren of unlawful immigrants), many people have come to the conclusion here that he is an extremist.

I am not sure whether I am encouraging people to vote for Mrs. Clinton (doubtful) or encouraging people to not vote (more likely). I really do want people to exercise their vote, even for Mr. Trump. I feel that voting is a civic duty.

The fact that my ultra-conservative town elected then reëlected me shows that my overwhelmingly Republican village understands nuance as well.

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b_sharp  Nov 6, 2016 • 2:28:10am

re: #79 Anymouse

A good number of my neighbours have told me they will not vote. They are upset with Mr. Trump’s train-wreck of negative information.

I don’t encourage people not to vote, as I see that as opposed to my position of a village trustee. I want as many people to vote as are eligible, and Nebraska makes voting very easy.

As for my neighbours who do support Mr. Trump, they already know I am a flaming liberal, my sister is in a same-sex marriage, I’m an atheist, I edit erotic Romance novels, and they still reëlected me to the village board, even though I was stumping for raising village employee pay significantly above the state minimum wage. (The village has four paid employees: Library director, ass’t director, village clerk, village mechanic.)

There is a bit of nuance here. As far as I know, when I talk about Mr. Trump’s actual positions with voters in my village and ask someone to consider what the result of such a position might mean (like deporting the grandchildren of unlawful immigrants), many people have come to the conclusion here that he is an extremist.

I am not sure whether I am encouraging people to vote for Mrs. Clinton (doubtful) or encouraging people to not vote (more likely). I really do want people to exercise their vote, even for Mr. Trump. I feel that voting is a civic duty.

The fact that my ultra-conservative town elected then reëlected me shows that my overwhelmingly Republican village understands nuance as well.

Why are you awake?

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b_sharp  Nov 6, 2016 • 2:32:34am

4:30am and I’m awake.

Stupid brain.

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Anymouse  Nov 6, 2016 • 2:35:37am

re: #80 b_sharp

Why are you awake?

I sleep in the daytime. I have pretty much always been a night person.

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b_sharp  Nov 6, 2016 • 2:35:44am

Fuck it.

I’m going back to bed. Maybe my brain will shut the fuck off.

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b_sharp  Nov 6, 2016 • 2:36:31am

re: #82 Anymouse

I sleep in the daytime. I have pretty much always been a night person.

You’re weird.

Sure glad I know you.

The world needs more weird.

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Anymouse  Nov 6, 2016 • 2:37:46am

re: #84 b_sharp

You’re weird.

Sure glad I know you.

The world needs more weird.

LOL. It’s only 3:30 here. I live in Mythical Mountain Time.

As for weird, thanks. Weird keeps the world interesting.

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Nyet  Nov 6, 2016 • 3:00:53am

re: #82 Anymouse

I sleep in the daytime. I have pretty much always been a night person.

Do you have mirrors in your house? //

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Dave In Austin  Nov 6, 2016 • 3:01:46am

Fuck….. I had to work an hour longer than usual last night.

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Nyet  Nov 6, 2016 • 3:09:08am
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Archangelus  Nov 6, 2016 • 3:09:38am

re: #58 goddamnedfrank

Satiacum isn’t bluffing at all, his father was mildly (in)famous and Jr. is looking for his chance to be a big deal on the national scene. The $1000 fine is a joke, the penalty should be the same as deliberate election fraud depriving millions of voters of their franchise rights. The penalty should include the entire cost of running the election and decades in jail.

Can’t the people whose votes he’s betraying sue him?
I know that if someone did that with my vote, I’d definitely consider taking him to court for violating my rights, and with a hefty sum to boot..
Maybe a few individual million-dollar lawsuits from those he’s screwing over would have him thinking twice…

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Nyet  Nov 6, 2016 • 3:15:31am

re: #89 Archangelus

Apparently, due to the fucked up US Constitution, he wouldn’t be legally violating any of your rights. After all, formally, you are electing the electors, and you would have exercised that right by electing him.

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Anymouse  Nov 6, 2016 • 3:15:42am

re: #86 Nyet

Do you have mirrors in your house? //

A couple. I don’t look at them though.
re: #87 Dave In Austin

Fuck….. I had to work an hour longer than usual last night.

Sorry, Dave. I take it your employer got back their hour from Spring?

I used to hate the way my Navy commands worked time changes: Since I always worked what civilians called third shift, the extra hour was put on us in Autumn, and the short hour was added to our shift in Spring (the argument was it affected fewer people).

re: #89 Archangelus

Can’t the people whose votes he’s betraying sue him?
I know that if someone did that with my vote, I’d definitely consider taking him to court for violating my rights, and with a hefty sum to boot..
Maybe a few individual million-dollar lawsuits from those he’s screwing over would have him thinking twice…

Probably not. Electors votes are determined by state law. State legislators determine how electors may cast their votes, not the voters.

To sue, you have to be able to cite a specific tangible and monetary loss (in the Constitution, at least $20). A faithless elector has not caused a $20 loss.

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William Lewis  Nov 6, 2016 • 3:16:43am

re: #89 Archangelus

Can’t the people whose votes he’s betraying sue him?
I know that if someone did that with my vote, I’d definitely consider taking him to court for violating my rights, and with a hefty sum to boot..
Maybe a few individual million-dollar lawsuits from those he’s screwing over would have him thinking twice…

I was thinking of a count of voter fraud for each voter who lost their desired vote to his childish behavior.

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Nyet  Nov 6, 2016 • 3:21:01am

re: #91 Anymouse

Just as a mental exercise, half tongue in cheek: what if some tangible financial deal depended directly on the result of the election?

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Anymouse  Nov 6, 2016 • 3:25:35am

re: #93 Nyet

Just as a mental exercise, half tongue in cheek: what if some tangible financial deal depended directly on the result of the election?

I’m not sure. I suppose every election ever held could claim that.

For example, currently the markets are skittish, apparently because they are concerned that Mr. Trump could pull this out.

Using that as an example, if Mr. Trump were to take the election and the markets tanked, presumably tens of millions of people invested in the stock market could sue, claiming that Mr. Trump’s election caused financial loss (or ruin).

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Nyet  Nov 6, 2016 • 3:28:57am

re: #94 Anymouse

If the candidate would have won but for the faithless elector, whereas you expect electors to be faithful, it’s seemingly different from a bad-for-the-markets candidate winning fairly.

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Nyet  Nov 6, 2016 • 3:33:40am
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Nyet  Nov 6, 2016 • 3:35:09am

Oh look, a former local sociopath is licking up Assange’s excrements:

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Timothy Watson  Nov 6, 2016 • 3:37:10am
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Archangelus  Nov 6, 2016 • 3:40:56am

re: #91 Anymouse

Probably not. Electors votes are determined by state law. State legislators determine how electors may cast their votes, not the voters.

To sue, you have to be able to cite a specific tangible and monetary loss (in the Constitution, at least $20). A faithless elector has not caused a $20 loss.

For many people, voting on either election day or during early voting stage involves the loss of paid work hours and hours spent waiting in line to vote. Time is money. So if someone was is $11 per hour and spent five hours to vote (and some people spent more time to vote), the loss would be $55 at least, more than $20 per the constitution. That is money being invested into an action which assumes trust and fulfillment on the part of the elector.
Isn’t there a case to be made for fraud or breach of contract on his part if he’s not withholding his part as elector?

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Anymouse  Nov 6, 2016 • 3:42:28am

re: #95 Nyet

If the candidate would have won but for the faithless elector, whereas you expect electors to be faithful, it’s seemingly different from a bad-for-the-markets candidate winning fairly.

I’m still not sure this fellow will wind up being a faithless elector. (Throughout history they have been very rare.) In this day and age, if this guy actually does that (aside from the $10,000 fine) I suspect it will take (I do not support doxxing) about a microsecond to out his home, his workplace, &c. After that, voters will make his life miserable.

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Archangelus  Nov 6, 2016 • 3:47:05am

re: #100 Anymouse

I’m still not sure this fellow will wind up being a faithless elector. (Throughout history they have been very rare.) In this day and age, if this guy actually does that (aside from the $10,000 fine) I suspect it will take (I do not support doxxing) about a microsecond to out his home, his workplace, &c. After that, voters will make his life miserable.

Especially when some of those voters may very well be in his neighborhood and his workplace. Even if you weren’t affected by the actions directly, how would you trust someone who’s violated the trust and the will of millions?

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Timothy Watson  Nov 6, 2016 • 3:48:55am

Perfect example of how fucking crazy these people are. Garrett Watson is my Republican NeverTrumping brother, who ended up voting straight Democratic party ticket this year and is helping out with GOTV:

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Nyet  Nov 6, 2016 • 3:49:59am

re: #99 Archangelus

Well, there was no contract, it’s not like, say, a buyer-seller relationship; there is only a pledge which no federal law recognizes as binding and for breaking of which some state laws prescribe specific light punishments…
Historically, the whole idiotic EC system was thought up with the faithless option in mind, i.e. the electors were supposed to override the will of the voters in some cases (otherwise it makes no sense).

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Nyet  Nov 6, 2016 • 3:51:31am

re: #100 Anymouse

I’m still not sure this fellow will wind up being a faithless elector. (Throughout history they have been very rare.) In this day and age, if this guy actually does that (aside from the $10,000 fine) I suspect it will take (I do not support doxxing) about a microsecond to out his home, his workplace, &c. After that, voters will make his life miserable.

Well, a 1000$ fine is peanuts and he doesn’t care about it, and seeing how he is openly declaring his intent, he also doesn’t care about the voters’ reactions.

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Bubblehead II  Nov 6, 2016 • 3:51:53am

re: #100 Anymouse

I’m still not sure this fellow will wind up being a faithless elector. (Throughout history they have been very rare.) In this day and age, if this guy actually does that (aside from the $10,000 $1000.00 fine) I suspect it will take (I do not support doxxing) about a microsecond to out his home, his workplace, &c. After that, voters will make his life miserable.

Fixed that for ya.

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William Lewis  Nov 6, 2016 • 3:53:00am

re: #103 Nyet

Exactly. The FFs feared democracy in the hands of the unwashed masses. They wanted a mechanism to override them if necessary though it has never worked out that way.

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Timothy Watson  Nov 6, 2016 • 3:53:09am

re: #104 Nyet

Well, a 1000$ fine is peanuts and he doesn’t care about it, and seeing how he is openly declaring his intent, he also doesn’t care about the voters’ reactions.

Plus whether the state would actually try to impose that fine and whether a court would uphold that fine.

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Anymouse  Nov 6, 2016 • 3:54:54am

re: #106 William Lewis

Exactly. The FFs feared democracy in the hands of the unwashed masses. They wanted a mechanism to override them if necessary though it has never worked out that way.

Well, there was also the issue of travel and communications in the XVIII Century. It was far easier to assemble a few electors than it was to assemble the entire electorate.

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Nyet  Nov 6, 2016 • 3:54:56am

re: #107 Timothy Watson

IIRC there’s been a case that upheld such fines (not that it can’t be relitigated, mind).

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Nyet  Nov 6, 2016 • 3:55:26am

re: #108 Anymouse

Well, there was also the issue of travel and communications in the XVIII Century. It was far easier to assemble a few electors than it was to assemble the entire electorate.

OK, that comment doesn’t make sense. How do you suppose voting worked?

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Anymouse  Nov 6, 2016 • 4:00:44am

re: #110 Nyet

OK, that comment doesn’t make sense. How do you suppose voting worked?

Each precinct counted up its votes, and sent its results to the state government. The state government then sent electors for the electoral college vote. (Exactly the same as it does now.)

We could eliminate the idea of faithless electors entirely with a national popular vote, but there are too many small states that have outsized influence due to those two senatorial electoral votes. (Wyoming and North Dakota for example.) There have been several constitutional amendments proposed over the last hundred years or so to abolish the Electoral College, and all failed in Congress.

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Nyet  Nov 6, 2016 • 4:02:54am

re: #111 Anymouse

Each precinct counted up its votes, and sent its results to the state government. The state government then sent electors for the electoral college vote. (Exactly the same as it does now.)

Exactly. That’s how they “assembled” the entire electorate - through voting. So your comment made no sense.

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Anymouse  Nov 6, 2016 • 4:08:51am

re: #112 Nyet

Exactly. That’s how they “assembled” the entire electorate - through voting. So your comment made no sense.

Well, I will concede to copious amounts of Captain Morgan. (::

In the meantime, who the heck makes a polling call at five in the morning? Moreover, it wasn’t a robocall, it was a live person. I put them on eleventy blast.

My digital telephone/answering machine died: I only have my rotary dial telephone at the moment. My wife ordered an answering machine tonight, but for now, I have no way of screening calls.

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Nyet  Nov 6, 2016 • 4:09:34am

Now we are talking!

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Nyet  Nov 6, 2016 • 4:10:50am
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Anymouse  Nov 6, 2016 • 4:12:55am

re: #114 Nyet

Yup, they had nothing at all to do with making aggressive warfare on numerous nations simply for conquest, nor for all the other people killed besides Jews (such as Roma, non-Jewish Poles, gays, disabled, elderly, &c &c &c).

Lemme guess, the Twitter poster is not only an anti-Semite, but a Holocaust denier.

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Nyet  Nov 6, 2016 • 4:15:01am

re: #116 Anymouse

He’s a nut.

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Anymouse  Nov 6, 2016 • 4:16:39am

re: #117 Nyet

He’s a nut.

I went to the Twitter thread. Yup. I wouldn’t insult nuts though, they serve a useful dietary service.

This guy is just a bigot.

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Anymouse  Nov 6, 2016 • 4:29:04am

re: #99 Archangelus

For many people, voting on either election day or during early voting stage involves the loss of paid work hours and hours spent waiting in line to vote. Time is money. So if someone was is $11 per hour and spent five hours to vote (and some people spent more time to vote), the loss would be $55 at least, more than $20 per the constitution. That is money being invested into an action which assumes trust and fulfillment on the part of the elector.
Isn’t there a case to be made for fraud or breach of contract on his part if he’s not withholding his part as elector?

That is an interesting idea which I have not considered before.

I am not sure how a court would rule on that (but I am sure any decision on such a suit would throw a box full of spanners into future elections).

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Patricia Kayden  Nov 6, 2016 • 4:32:05am

re: #26 Belafon

Yeah. Saw that last night. It appears to be running in D.C./MD/Northern VA which is odd since this is a pretty deep blue area when it comes to presidential politics.

The “baggage” is all Republican-manufactured drama and most of us here will reject any innuendo that it reflects badly on the Clintons.

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Tigger2  Nov 6, 2016 • 4:34:24am

re: #84 b_sharp

You’re weird.

Sure glad I know you.

The world needs more weird.

I mostly sleep during the day it’s hard to break a 40+ year cycle of always working 2nd or 3rd shifts all my life.

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Anymouse  Nov 6, 2016 • 4:35:31am

re: #121 Tigger2

I mostly sleep during the day it’s hard to break a 40+ year cycle of always working 2nd or 3rd shifts all my life.

Yup. I have to drag myself out of bed for village board meetings (at 7 PM) so I can shave and shower and all so I don’t show up like I slept in my car.

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Anymouse  Nov 6, 2016 • 4:37:41am
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Nyet  Nov 6, 2016 • 4:39:01am
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Anymouse  Nov 6, 2016 • 4:40:25am

re: #124 Nyet

Who the heck is that lunatic?

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Tigger2  Nov 6, 2016 • 4:40:46am

re: #124 Nyet

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I have that idiot blocked.

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Nyet  Nov 6, 2016 • 4:41:30am

re: #125 Anymouse

Apparently some Nazi scammer:

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Anymouse  Nov 6, 2016 • 4:42:57am

Hidden due to vulgar language, post about John Stewart blasting Donald Trump:

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Nov 6, 2016 • 4:44:19am

re: #127 Nyet

Apparently some Nazi scammer:

More than half the time, tweeters who use B, N, 2, R and other abbreviations for words are loonies. Somehow they think there’s some advantage.

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jeffreyw  Nov 6, 2016 • 4:45:17am

Imgur


Good morning!

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Nov 6, 2016 • 4:47:37am

re: #127 Nyet

Also, WTF is a “traditional European.” [Yeah, I know — Aryans.] But the first Europeans apparently were Neandertals, who eventually died out as H. sapiens moved in after a long, rambling migration from Africa.

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weave  Nov 6, 2016 • 4:50:58am

Bwahahahahaha….. so now we now he was just looking at some guy’s sign that said “Republicans against Trump” — not a guy with a gun.

Wow, what bravery…

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Anymouse  Nov 6, 2016 • 4:51:43am

re: #129 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

More than half the time, tweeters who use B, N, 2, R and other abbreviations for words are loonies. Somehow they think there’s some advantage.

Considering the length constraints on Twitter, there is a small advantage; that said, Twitter seems a great waste of time when you could be writing lengthy opinions on Little Green Footballs. (Thanks, Mr. Johnson.)

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Nyet  Nov 6, 2016 • 4:52:22am

re: #133 Anymouse

Larger audience (sometimes).

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Nyet  Nov 6, 2016 • 4:54:31am
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Anymouse  Nov 6, 2016 • 4:56:20am

re: #132 weave

Well, I’m not going to make fun of Mr. Trump because he was hustled off his stage by the Secret Service; that is their job. Mr. Trump has no say in whether the Secret Service perceives a threat to the Republican candidate.

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weave  Nov 6, 2016 • 4:58:24am

re: #136 Anymouse

Well, I’m not going to make fun of Mr. Trump because he was hustled off his stage by the Secret Service; that is their job. Mr. Trump has no say in whether the Secret Service perceives a threat to the Republican candidate.

I was actually making fun of /r/the_donald people on Reddit — but your point is valid.

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Anymouse  Nov 6, 2016 • 4:59:17am

This North Star fellow seems nice:

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Nyet  Nov 6, 2016 • 5:01:15am
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weave  Nov 6, 2016 • 5:01:38am

re: #137 weave

I was actually making fun of /r/the_donald people on Reddit — but your point is valid.

…. like this reaction to the pic…

I see pity. This is the face of Jesus when Peter denies him.

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Anymouse  Nov 6, 2016 • 5:03:04am

Yet so many evangelicals are lining up behind Mr. Trump, Christian leader:

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Tigger2  Nov 6, 2016 • 5:08:55am
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Anymouse  Nov 6, 2016 • 5:09:25am

The New York Post in Rodent Copulation mode:

Hillary Clinton Directed Her Maid to Print Out Classified Materials

As secretary of state, Hillary Clinton routinely asked her maid to print out sensitive government e-mails and documents — including ones containing classified information — from her house in Washington, DC, e-mails and FBI memos show. But the housekeeper lacked the security clearance to handle such material.

In fact, Marina Santos was called on so frequently to receive e-mails that she may hold the secrets to E-mailgate — if only the FBI and Congress would subpoena her and the equipment she used.

Clinton entrusted far more than the care of her DC residence, known as Whitehaven, to Santos. She expected the Filipino immigrant to handle state secrets, further opening the Democratic presidential nominee to criticism that she played fast and loose with national security.

More BS follows at the link to the Post.

The sun is coming up, time for me to go to bed. Night, y’all.

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Timothy Watson  Nov 6, 2016 • 5:10:29am

re: #142 Tigger2

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He needs to endorse anyone but Joe Morrissey in the Richmond mayoral race.

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Nyet  Nov 6, 2016 • 5:12:11am

Next step for Trump after Clinton wins on Nov. 8 would be to intensify the propaganda and try to convince the electors to abandon her.
That may happen if the results are fairly close.
Thanks, electoral college. Fuck you, FFs.

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Anymouse  Nov 6, 2016 • 5:14:14am

re: #145 Nyet

Next step for Trump after Clinton wins on Nov. 8 would be to intensify the propaganda and try to convince the electors to abandon her.
That may happen if the results are fairly close.
Thanks, electoral college. Fuck you, FFs.

I’m all in favour of the Interstate Popular Vote Compact. Since getting a Constitutional amendment passed, that seems the only way to get around faithless electors.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 6, 2016 • 5:15:30am

Wow what a thing to wake up to. This sounds like it got really ugly. Trump’s supporters are a scary mob.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 6, 2016 • 5:19:11am

And btw if gun nuts had their way, Austyn would have been able to have a gun there. The same way for God only knows why it’s okay to bring a gun to a voting precinct.

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The Vicious Babushka  Nov 6, 2016 • 5:21:11am

I thought I would have an extra hour to sleep in but I got up an hour early! Funny how that works.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 6, 2016 • 5:21:51am

re: #145 Nyet

Next step for Trump after Clinton wins on Nov. 8 would be to intensify the propaganda and try to convince the electors to abandon her.
That may happen if the results are fairly close.
Thanks, electoral college. Fuck you, FFs.

I really dislike the EC. It’s a relic leftover from the Founders mistrust of the common people.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 6, 2016 • 5:23:19am

Caught Free State of Jones last night. It’s a good movie. I recommend it.

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Anymouse  Nov 6, 2016 • 5:32:57am

re: #149 The Vicious Babushka

I thought I would have an extra hour to sleep in but I got up an hour early! Funny how that works.

I lose an hour because the clocks went back while I was awake or something.

I had to take a break from LGF; all this talk about Mr. Trump and his Nazi supporters reminded me I needed to clean my toilet with sulphuric acid wash. (Very hard water here.) It looks a lot better now, hopefully the election will be the same (a sulphuric acid wash of the electoral vote yielding a massive landslide for Mrs. Clinton).

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Nov 6, 2016 • 5:36:51am

re: #152 Anymouse

I lose an hour because the clocks went back while I was awake or something.

I had to take a break from LGF; all this talk about Mr. Trump and his Nazi supporters reminded me I needed to clean my toilet with sulphuric acid wash. (Very hard water here.) It looks a lot better now, hopefully the election will be the same (a sulphuric acid wash of the electoral vote yielding a massive landslide for Mrs. Clinton).

H2SO4?! Can’t you use something milder, like vinegar, or acetic acid (aka really strong vinegar)?

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Jayleia  Nov 6, 2016 • 5:39:04am

re: #128 Anymouse

Conway: It’s 3 am, I hid it in the KFC bucket
DJTJR: He has a snack at 3 am…
DJT: *Tweet**Tweet**Tweet*
Jr/Conway: …FML

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Nov 6, 2016 • 5:39:23am

re: #152 Anymouse

I lose an hour because the clocks went back while I was awake or something.

I had to take a break from LGF; all this talk about Mr. Trump and his Nazi supporters reminded me I needed to clean my toilet with sulphuric acid wash. (Very hard water here.) It looks a lot better now, hopefully the election will be the same (a sulphuric acid wash of the electoral vote yielding a massive landslide for Mrs. Clinton).

We have the softest water in the country—to which they proceed to add enough chlorine to make it taste and smell like swimming pool water. Fortunately a Brita filter will take care of that.

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SirMixALot  Nov 6, 2016 • 5:40:06am

re: #147 HappyWarrior

Wow what a thing to wake up to. This sounds like it got really ugly. Trump’s supporters are a scary mob.

Yes they are. I feel like liberals attempting to vote on election day are walking into an ambush. I can’t see Republican Governors making sure voter intimidation does not happen. It would take mobilizing cops at every precinct to stop that kind of thing. I can’t see that happening in “fiscally run down GOP states.” Over-time pay alone would be very high. Doubling or tripling the cost of any election.

If however, local officials decide to mobilize the cops to protect citizens from voter intimidation can we even count on Trump supporting cops?

If any liberal dares confront these lunatics it would be used as an excuse to attack or shot any protester just like the Reno Trump rally. Suddenly a sign becomes a gun and the Trump supporters are justified in shooting or attacking. If the Trump supporting cops are present they would arrest the liberal if he or she manages to survive.

God help the USA on election day.

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Nyet  Nov 6, 2016 • 5:41:16am

re: #128 Anymouse

Hidden due to vulgar language, post about John Stewart blasting Donald Trump:

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Pro tip: fucking vulgar language is motherfucking normal at fucking LGF ;)

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Nov 6, 2016 • 5:41:56am

PZ linked to this cartoon this morning. Pretty much covers it.

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SirMixALot  Nov 6, 2016 • 5:50:15am

re: #150 HappyWarrior

I really dislike the EC. It’s a relic leftover from the Founders mistrust of the common people.

Considering how many common people support Trump its makes the Founders seem wise. Democracy only works when the people are educated. That hasn’t been the case for decades. The US is drowning in propaganda. You can’t even blame cuts in education completely because the Boomers supporting Trump were educated in a time before education cuts. Boomers are by far the largest consumers of Fox News & talk radio propaganda. They have been propaganda junkies the longest and helped established the market. Not letting the younger generations off the hook however. I just suspect that Gen Xers are getting their propaganda fix from a mix of TV, radio and the internet. Meanwhile, Millenials are mainly brainwashed by the internet.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 6, 2016 • 5:51:17am

re: #150 HappyWarrior

I really dislike the EC. It’s a relic leftover from the Founders mistrust of the common people.

I am for keeping it but only having it kick in if no candidate gains a majority.

Would not have prevented the schlamassel in 2000 (Gore had no majority) but it should be a fallback position rather than a first resort.

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Nyet  Nov 6, 2016 • 5:55:22am

re: #160 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I am for keeping it but only having it kick in if no candidate gains a majority.

Would not have prevented the schlamassel in 2000 (Gore had no majority) but it should be a fallback position rather than a first resort.

Gore won the popular vote. Should have been president. How actual democracy works.

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Nyet  Nov 6, 2016 • 5:55:36am
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Nyet  Nov 6, 2016 • 5:56:37am
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HappyWarrior  Nov 6, 2016 • 5:58:14am

re: #163 Nyet

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Just not seeing how Trump overcomes that plus he’s said to be doing worse than Romney among white voters.

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Decatur Deb  Nov 6, 2016 • 5:59:14am

re: #163 Nyet

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All those numbers will be quaint curiosities if people do not translate their feelings into actions.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 6, 2016 • 5:59:44am

re: #161 Nyet

Gore won the popular vote. Should have been president. How actual democracy works.

500,000 more people voted for Gore than Bush. Enough said IMO.

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Nyet  Nov 6, 2016 • 6:04:02am

re: #166 HappyWarrior

I understand the historical roots of this, but today all this “states’ rights” stuff is just silly. States are not indepedent countries each electing their own Prez, should not act like they are.

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Anymouse  Nov 6, 2016 • 6:04:39am

re: #153 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

H2SO4?! Can’t you use something milder, like vinegar, or acetic acid (aka really strong vinegar)?

Nope. We really have terribly hard water here; that is why the grocery store sells H2SO4. Even that will not remove all the buildup on the sinks, bathtub, or toilet.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 6, 2016 • 6:05:03am

re: #167 Nyet

I understand the historical roots of this, but today all this “states’ rights” stuff is just silly. States are not indepedent countries each electing their own Prez, should not act like they are.

Agreed.

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Decatur Deb  Nov 6, 2016 • 6:07:29am

re: #167 Nyet

I understand the historical roots of this, but today all this “states’ rights” stuff is just silly. States are not indepedent countries each electing their own Prez, should not act like they are.

Until the 1850s, that’s pretty much how they saw themselves, with the Federal government fulfilling the roles of the EU/NATO. That sentiment is not entirely dead.

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Anymouse  Nov 6, 2016 • 6:09:21am

re: #159 SirMixALot

Considering how many common people support Trump its makes the Founders seem wise. Democracy only works when the people are educated. That hasn’t been the case for decades. The US is drowning in propaganda. You can’t even blame cuts in education completely because the Boomers supporting Trump were educated in a time before education cuts. Boomers are by far the largest consumers of Fox News & talk radio propaganda. They have been propaganda junkies the longest and helped established the market. Not letting the younger generations off the hook however. I just suspect that Gen Xers are getting their propaganda fix from a mix of TV, radio and the internet. Meanwhile, Millenials are mainly brainwashed by the internet.

I’m a boomer. In no way do I consider the FOX/Limbaugh/Wingnut media axis as anything other than propaganda.

My mother is of the Silent Generation. So is my step-father. Neither considers the talk radio/wingnut Internet/FOX News axis as nothing more than to subvert democratic governance.

#notallboomers

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Nov 6, 2016 • 6:09:58am

Kind of a tangent, but since we’re reforming the electoral system….

Of course I think we should have automatic registration, and it shouldn’t be tied to one particular residence. It shouldn’t matter where you live, you should be able to vote for President. No matter where you live in a state, you should be able to vote for Senators, Governor, and statewide ballot measures. Fine, they can keep track of where you live for Congressional and Legislative districts.

Brownback tried to institute a “tiered” voting system like this. The courts slapped it down, but obviously they thought they had the technology to implement it.

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Nyet  Nov 6, 2016 • 6:11:14am

This guy posts useless stuff like

and he votes.

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The Vicious Babushka  Nov 6, 2016 • 6:11:16am
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Nyet  Nov 6, 2016 • 6:14:00am

re: #174 The Vicious Babushka

Parker seemed almost sensible in 2008. Back to the roots, I guess.

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Decatur Deb  Nov 6, 2016 • 6:14:36am

re: #172 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Kind of a tangent, but since we’re reforming the electoral system….

Of course I think we should have automatic registration, and it shouldn’t be tied to one particular residence. It shouldn’t matter where you live, you should be able to vote for President. No matter where you live in a state, you should be able to vote for Senators, Governor, and statewide ballot measures. Fine, they can keep track of where you live for Congressional and Legislative districts.

Brownback tried to institute a “tiered” voting system like this. The courts slapped it down, but obviously they thought they had the technology to implement it.

There is no electoral system. If you throw in the nominating process, there are about 80-90 electoral systems, constantly changing. Goal one is to create an electoral system for all Americans.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Nov 6, 2016 • 6:14:57am

re: #168 Anymouse

Nope. We really have terribly hard water here; that is why the grocery store sells H2SO4. Even that will not remove all the buildup on the sinks, bathtub, or toilet.

Yikes! Have you considered a house water softening system?

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Anymouse  Nov 6, 2016 • 6:15:30am

re: #172 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Kind of a tangent, but since we’re reforming the electoral system….

Of course I think we should have automatic registration, and it shouldn’t be tied to one particular residence. It shouldn’t matter where you live, you should be able to vote for President. No matter where you live in a state, you should be able to vote for Senators, Governor, and statewide ballot measures. Fine, they can keep track of where you live for Congressional and Legislative districts.

Brownback tried to institute a “tiered” voting system like this. The courts slapped it down, but obviously they thought the had the technology to implement it.

That would be similar to the Federal absentee ballots I obtained in the Navy. They didn’t allow me to vote in my local elections in Michigan but they did allow me to vote for Federal candidates.

That is precisely what Kansas AG Kris Kobach is targeting in his “requirement” to “prove” eligibility to cast a Federal ballot in elections. The objective is to disenfranchise those who apply for Federal ballots (primarily military personnel: contrary to popular belief, military personnel do not lean Republican; officers do. Officers are a minority of the military so people like Kobach want to restrict the military vote.)

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The Vicious Babushka  Nov 6, 2016 • 6:15:51am

re: #175 Nyet

Parker seemed almost sensible in 2008. Back to the roots, I guess.

She’s been drinking with Peggy Noonan.

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Decatur Deb  Nov 6, 2016 • 6:16:25am

re: #174 The Vicious Babushka

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Let’s slay the dragon, then start bitching about the Knight’s table manners.

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Nyet  Nov 6, 2016 • 6:16:51am

...

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jaunte  Nov 6, 2016 • 6:16:54am

re: #174 The Vicious Babushka

“…Whatever they’ve projected or promised won’t be reflected in the reality of the presidency. It never is. Whatever they may wish to be, the president is only one-third of the equation — granted, with an armed force. “

Oh yeah, that little thing.

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PhillyPretzel  Nov 6, 2016 • 6:17:13am

OT I just posted a page on the PBS show Nature. These two episodes are on Cats.
Read more at: littlegreenfootballs.com

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Nyet  Nov 6, 2016 • 6:18:23am

re: #183 PhillyPretzel

OT I just posted a page on the PBS show Nature. These two episodes are on Cats.
Read more at: littlegreenfootballs.com

Trumpist kitty grabbers excepted :D

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Tigger2  Nov 6, 2016 • 6:20:03am

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PhillyPretzel  Nov 6, 2016 • 6:21:01am

re: #184 Nyet

The first part is on the cats in Asia. The uncouth one would be nothing but food for those expert predators.

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Anymouse  Nov 6, 2016 • 6:21:02am

re: #177 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Yikes! Have you considered a house water softening system?

I don’t have the money for that. Moreover, service for such a system would have to come from Cheyenne (120 miles) or Denver (200 miles).

H2SO4 is way less expensive.

On an aside, I had to have my old washing machine (a Whirlpool front loader) serviced.

Every call cost $100. Before Whirlpool condemned it (the mechanics could not figure out why it failed), I was out $1,100.

Nope. H2SO4 is way cheaper.

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Nyet  Nov 6, 2016 • 6:22:00am

re: #186 PhillyPretzel

“Cat Soylent is Trump!”

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Nov 6, 2016 • 6:23:27am

Deleted for stupidity.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Nov 6, 2016 • 6:23:55am

re: #187 Anymouse

I don’t have the money for that. Moreover, service for such a system would have to come from Cheyenne (120 miles) or Denver (200 miles).

H2SO4 is way less expensive.

On an aside, I had to have my old washing machine (a Whirlpool front loader) serviced.

Every call cost $100. Before Whirlpool condemned it (the mechanics could not figure out why it failed), I was out $1,100.

Nope. H2SO4 is way cheaper.

OK. Sounds like you have no choice there.

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Anymouse  Nov 6, 2016 • 6:31:04am

re: #189 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

re: #190 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

This sort of thing is why Mr. Trump has such a following in places where I live.

I don’t know how many people I have read say I am living in “flyover country” (we don’t matter).

When coastal liberals hold opinions as “heartland people are simply flyover country and they don’t matter,” it is not surprising that the overwhelming majority of people here think Democrats do not care about us.

It might seem a minor issue to a person in New York or California that someone in the Nebraska Panhandle should just go out and get a water softener, but the real issue is people on the coast do not care about us. If liberals on the coasts do not care about us, where are our voters going to go?

They will go to the candidate that claims to care about us (Republicans, this time Donald Trump).

You want to flip my state to something other than the reddest state in the Union? Stop talking about us as if we don’t matter and the food we produce for cities here is unnecessary to the coasts.

Address us as people who matter, not rednecks, or hicks, or something other than Americans.

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Decatur Deb  Nov 6, 2016 • 6:31:40am

re: #187 Anymouse

I don’t have the money for that. Moreover, service for such a system would have to come from Cheyenne (120 miles) or Denver (200 miles).

H2SO4 is way less expensive.

On an aside, I had to have my old washing machine (a Whirlpool front loader) serviced.

Every call cost $100. Before Whirlpool condemned it (the mechanics could not figure out why it failed), I was out $1,100.

Nope. H2SO4 is way cheaper.

With the help of the Internet (parts and YT Instructables) you should be able to fix a lot of appliances. If not, early replacement sounds more effective than screwing with $100 service charges. The agitator on my washer disengaged from the drive shaft. It turned out to need $2.50 worth of little nylon dogs.

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Donkey With No Name  Nov 6, 2016 • 6:35:30am

re: #161 Nyet

Gore won the popular vote. Should have been president. How actual democracy works.

I’m not sure we’ve had an actual democracy since Athens. The possibility for the executive to not have won the popular vote exists in any parliamentary system; is Britain not an actual democracy?

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Nov 6, 2016 • 6:36:23am

re: #192 Decatur Deb

With the help of the Internet (parts and YT Instructables) you should be able to fix a lot of appliances. If not, early replacement sounds more effective than screwing with $100 service charges. The agitator on my washer disengaged from the drive shaft. It turned out to need $2.50 worth of little nylon dogs.

Hard water deposits glom up everything, valves,showerheads, toilet tank parts, internal parts of washing machines. Some things are easy to fix. Others, not so easy. Been there, done that.

My last house had sulfur in the well water. Corroded the copper pipes like no tomorrow.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Nov 6, 2016 • 6:37:24am

OK. Bedtime here. See you later!

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 6, 2016 • 6:38:50am

re: #161 Nyet

Gore won the popular vote. Should have been president. How actual democracy works.

He had more votes than Bush but not a majority.

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Anymouse  Nov 6, 2016 • 6:40:23am

re: #192 Decatur Deb

With the help of the Internet (parts and YT Instructables) you should be able to fix a lot of appliances. If not, early replacement sounds more effective than screwing with $100 service charges. The agitator on my washer disengaged from the drive shaft. It turned out to need $2.50 worth of little nylon dogs.

We had Whilrpool factory engineers in our home trying to figure out what was wrong with our machine. They could not; Whirlpool wanted (at our expense, which we rejected) to send our washer back to their factory so they could figure out why it could not be repaired.

Bear in mind that the only way we could send them the washer was to ship it “by rail” from our town to their factory.

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Decatur Deb  Nov 6, 2016 • 6:40:49am

re: #194 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Hard water deposits glom up everything, valves,showerheads, toilet tank parts, internal parts of washing machines. Some things are easy to fix. Others, not so easy. Been there, done that.

My last house had sulfur in the well water. Corroded the copper pipes like no tomorrow.

Yeah. We had calcium in NJ to the point that crystals would precipitate out when you added ice to a glass of water. It was managed by a salt-based softener that cost a couple hundred and never needed more service than a DIY refill.

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Thanos  Nov 6, 2016 • 6:40:54am

re: #187 Anymouse

I don’t have the money for that. Moreover, service for such a system would have to come from Cheyenne (120 miles) or Denver (200 miles).

H2SO4 is way less expensive.

On an aside, I had to have my old washing machine (a Whirlpool front loader) serviced.

Every call cost $100. Before Whirlpool condemned it (the mechanics could not figure out why it failed), I was out $1,100.

Nope. H2SO4 is way cheaper.

When we were in Alaska we used a product called “Polyzag” to remove the Iron stains from our well water. It was something you had to exit the room from after application, because if the rust stain was deep a white hazy cloud that burned your skin and eyes would quickly form…

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Jayleia  Nov 6, 2016 • 6:43:01am

re: #199 Thanos

I’ve seen rust stain removers…active ingredient was hydrofluoric acid. o_O!?

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Nyet  Nov 6, 2016 • 6:45:03am

re: #191 Anymouse

Another result of the EC. With popular vote every vote matters.

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Decatur Deb  Nov 6, 2016 • 6:45:26am

re: #197 Anymouse

We had Whilrpool factory engineers in our home trying to figure out what was wrong with our machine. They could not; Whirlpool wanted (at our expense, which we rejected) to send our washer back to their factory so they could figure out why it could not be repaired.

Bear in mind that the only way we could send them the washer was to ship it “by rail” from our town to their factory.

If they gave a shit about QC, they would have paid you/swapped machines just for its information value. Like people who live in the Gulf Coast salt environment, just buy simple and cheap and think of appliances as disposables. (A GE refrigerator is built to serve reliably for 15 years. It will last 5 on the beach.)

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Nyet  Nov 6, 2016 • 6:46:16am

re: #196 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

He had more votes than Bush but not a majority.

Enough to win in an actual democracy.

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BigPapa  Nov 6, 2016 • 6:49:06am

Posobiec hasn’t retracted the lie but has pinned a tweet from Washington Post calling it a lie. Immense ego.

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weave  Nov 6, 2016 • 6:49:59am

re: #98 Timothy Watson

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Armed man in Donald Trump shirt intimidates mom with 9-year-old son at Virginia polling site

Another story on it.

Remember how big of a deal the wingnuts made about a Black Panther intimidating voters at a Philadelphia polling place in 2008? He had a night stick.

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PhillyPretzel  Nov 6, 2016 • 6:51:35am

re: #205 weave

I remember the 2008 incident. Thank G-d it was not in my neighborhood.

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Decatur Deb  Nov 6, 2016 • 6:53:30am

re: #203 Nyet

Enough to win in an actual democracy.

Then you run into your problem over the Brexit referendum. Attaining Utopia is going to require a lot of improvisation.

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jaunte  Nov 6, 2016 • 6:54:00am
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Nyet  Nov 6, 2016 • 6:56:27am

re: #193 Donkey With No Name

I’m not sure we’ve had an actual democracy since Athens. The possibility for the executive to not have won the popular vote exists in any parliamentary system; is Britain not an actual democracy?

No system that excludes adult citizens without any rational reason (e.g.: women) qualifies as an actual democracy in the modern sense either. So Athens are right out. If it’s a parliamentary system, then at least the members of parliament are elected by popular vote, so it still counts. If the US were a parliamentary system there would have been no objection. But it isn’t. It’s quite close to an actual democracy though, I’ll grant you that.

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Nyet  Nov 6, 2016 • 6:57:24am

re: #207 Decatur Deb

Then you run into your problem over the Brexit referendum. Attaining Utopia is going to require a lot of improvisation.

Brexit has nothing to do with what I’m saying tho. You’re only electing a Prez for 4 years.

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Nyet  Nov 6, 2016 • 6:58:46am

re: #210 Nyet

Brexit is akin to a constitutional amendment. Where 50%+1 don’t do the trick.

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Dr. Matt  Nov 6, 2016 • 6:59:17am

After watching Trump shit his Chinese-made pants last night, one thing is for sure:

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Anymouse  Nov 6, 2016 • 7:00:24am

Bear in mind for those who think “flyover country” does not matter:

A great number of political scientists who think that a civil war is coming do not believe it will be armed forces facing off against each other.

Many believe it will simply be agricultural areas of the USA (like where I live) saying “FU” we’re not going to ship food to the coastal areas.

You wanna starve? Keep ignoring us. Coastal liberals need to quit thinking of the heartland as hicks, uneducated, useless, &c. Either all of us matter, or none of us do.

Since so many people around here think liberals think we do not matter, they go with a fascist like Trump.

There is a reason I am the only elected Democrat in any position in eleven counties in the Nebraska Panhandle.

There is a reason the Democratic Party will neither answer my E-mail nor my letters.

Leftier-than-thou coastal Democrats really do not care about us. I cannot get any response from the Democratic Party as the solitary elected Democrat here.

Yet liberals put on their leftier than thou attitude (including here) and wonder why so many people are “voting against their interests?” Democrats on the coasts could care less about our interests, including even bothering to find out what our intersts are.

(Get a water softener - oh wait, 220 miles for service? I wouldn’t pay for someone to come out so far to service a washing machine - where else will I go?_

I have a theatre organ in my house that needs repair. I have waited three years for Wurlitzer to come out and service it. Three Years.

I’ll bet if I lived in LA or New York it would have been fixed in two days.

You wonder why so many people here “vote against their interests?” No one on the coasts has our interest at heart. You don’t give a damn whether we live or die. That’s why I am the only Democrat in eleven counties. That’s why the party won’t even respond to me. That’s why Mr. Trump, American fascist, is making progress. Because Democrats do not care. Where is our fifty-state campaign? We don’t have one; my party could care less whether I hold my seat in the next election. Nebraska is a write-off.

And liberals wonder why the heartland could care less.

I am done; I am too tired to continue. I have battled the Democratic Party for so long since I lived here and I have received not a single response in two years.

If the party doesn’t care about the Midwest, surprise, the party will lose it to a fascist like Trump.

The next guy after Trump will be more circumspect about his rhetoric.

Democrats don’t even want to engage Democrats in the Midlands; how do liberals call it voting against your self interest when the Democratic Party is not interested in our interest?

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Dr. Matt  Nov 6, 2016 • 7:01:15am

The Ghost of Cash:

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Dr Lizardo  Nov 6, 2016 • 7:01:29am

re: #212 Dr. Matt

After watching Trump shit his Chinese-made pants last night, one thing is for sure:

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Trump’s the guy with the shabby suit, the bad combover and the knock-off Rolex he picked up at a flea market trying to pass himself off as upper-crust.

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Mattand  Nov 6, 2016 • 7:02:55am

re: #205 weave

Armed man in Donald Trump shirt intimidates mom with 9-year-old son at Virginia polling site

Another story on it.

Remember how big of a deal the wingnuts made about a Black Panther intimidating voters at a Philadelphia polling place in 2008? He had a night stick.

Here’s the thing with that: given the amount of racial tension still present in Philadelphia, if that incident was as bad as the rest of the country says it is, it would have been front page news.

It wasn’t. I read the Inquirer online almost every day and have for years. The cops shooed the guys along after an hour. It was a non-incident.

The only thing that incident is useful is what you describe in your post: an illustration of how white people can walk around armed to the teeth and no one says boo, but a black guy with a night stick is somehow a race war.

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Nyet  Nov 6, 2016 • 7:03:49am

re: #213 Anymouse

One day you’re railing against people here who wont’t denounce their Trump-supporting family members as Nazis. Next day you’re full of understanding for these “Nazis”.

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worldknot  Nov 6, 2016 • 7:07:26am

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BigPapa  Nov 6, 2016 • 7:07:27am

It looks a lot like Republican Against Trump guy was assaulted and somebody yelled gun to salt the situation, then they took advantage of it by saying it was an assassination attempt to make Daddy look strong but returning to the stage. Now Conway is on Fox saying it’s a liberal plant.

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Anymouse  Nov 6, 2016 • 7:07:33am

re: #216 Mattand

Here’s the thing with that: given the amount of racial tension still present in Philadelphia, if that incident was as bad as the rest of the country says it is, it would have been front page news.

It wasn’t. I read the Inquirer online almost every day and have for years. The cops shooed the guys along after an hour. It was a non-incident.

The only thing that incident is useful is what you describe in your post: an illustration of how white people can walk around armed to the teeth and no one says boo, but a black guy with a night stick is somehow a race war.

It was not front page news for several reasons:

a) Virginia is an open-carry state. After investigation it was determined that the man was both outside the perimeter for electioneering, and that his open-carry was lawful/

b) He shouldn’t (as in courtesy) have asked who the woman was voting for but speech crime is not illegal.

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jaunte  Nov 6, 2016 • 7:08:08am
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ObserverArt  Nov 6, 2016 • 7:09:40am

Ugh…Rudy G is on the local NBC politics show.

He just said if Clinton wins “It will be Watergate all over again, and I doubt if she lasts two years.”

To ESPN I go!

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jaunte  Nov 6, 2016 • 7:09:54am

Sorry, bad paste. Reload for the right one.

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Mattand  Nov 6, 2016 • 7:10:07am

re: #213 Anymouse

These are all really good points and I agree absolutely. I’ve been guilty of this stuff myself from time to time, and I need to be more aware of it.

That said: I can’t tell you how many times it’s implied that I’m not a “real” American because I’m a suburban East Coast liberal, with the added fun of being an atheist to boot.

There’s a strong counter narrative that anyone who lives within driving distance of either ocean is somehow clueless as to what this country is all about.

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jaunte  Nov 6, 2016 • 7:10:16am

Trump is trying to sell a lot of Mob concrete.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Nov 6, 2016 • 7:12:05am

The Heartland’s problems have all, without exception, been inflicted on them by Republican policies, and not as side effects or unintended consequences, either, but as the intended results. Democrats have fought tooth and nail against all these things and been rewarded with scorn, insults, and accusations of treason and being actual demons. How long can you keep reaching out a hand if you get bitten every time? These morons will crawl over broken glass to vote for the people who despise them and have inflicted all their suffering on them. My sympathy is very limited…oh hell, it’s non-existent.

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BlueSpotinAL  Nov 6, 2016 • 7:12:48am

re: #220 Anymouse

It was not front page news for several reasons:

a) Virginia is an open-carry state. After investigation it was determined that the man was both outside the perimeter for electioneering, and that his open-carry was lawful/

b) He shouldn’t (as in courtesy) have asked who the woman was voting for but speech crime is not illegal.

I would have said “Was going to vote Trump because I didn’t believe Hillary’s claim about deplorable. You changed my mind.”

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Barefoot Grin  Nov 6, 2016 • 7:13:39am

My sense from living most of my life in corn country of Illinois and with many cousins who finally quit farming was that the concept of the family farm is nearly over. They were getting swallowed up by bigger operations and the corn was essentially going to ADM for processing and shipment to global markets. The reason Democrats pay little attention to the small towns and farm country there is because they are solidly R all the way to the sheriff and school board.

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jeffreyw  Nov 6, 2016 • 7:14:01am

re: #218 worldknot

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Looks like they’ve catnapped your kitteh!

We have your beast! Vote like your cat’s life depends on it. No meme police! We will see you at the polls or you will never see kitteh again!

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Anymouse  Nov 6, 2016 • 7:15:21am

re: #224 Mattand

These are all really good point and I agree absolutely. I’ve been guilty of this stuff myself from time to time, and I need to be more aware of it.

That said: I can’t tell you how many times it’s implied that I’m not a “real” American because I’m a suburban East Coast liberal, with the added fun of being an atheist to boot.

There’s a strong counter narrative that anyone who lives within driving distance of either ocean is somehow clueless as to what this country is all about.

Here in Scottsbluff/Gering, there is a civic centre as large as any other you might find on the coasts.

You know who has appeared there? Trump surrogates. You know who hasn’t? Anyone from the Clinton camp.

There are roughly 100,000 people in the Panhandle; Republicans are making sure they campaign here. Democrats? Bupkis.

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jaunte  Nov 6, 2016 • 7:15:36am

There are quite a few votes in “flyover country” cities.
washingtonpost.com

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Anymouse  Nov 6, 2016 • 7:17:28am

re: #226 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

The Heartland’s problems have all, without exception, been inflicted on them by Republican policies, and not as side effects or unintended consequences, either, but as the intended results. Democrats have fought tooth and nail against all these things and been rewarded with scorn, insults, and accusations of treason and being actual demons. How long can you keep reaching out a hand if you get bitten every time? These morons will crawl over broken glass to vote for the people who despise them and have inflicted all their suffering on them. My sympathy is very limited…oh hell, it’s non-existent.

Thanks for calling all of us morons, including the Democrats who live here. You know, we aren’t all rich like coastal liberals and can move at the drop of a hat to the People’s Republic of Oregon or California. Some of us have to stay where we are, where the Democratic Party ignores us.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Nov 6, 2016 • 7:18:41am

re: #132 weave

Was he even looking in that direction? From what I saw, the scuffle was to the right, by the front of the stage in the video… ???

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Nyet  Nov 6, 2016 • 7:18:59am

re: #113 Anymouse

Well, I will concede to copious amounts of Captain Morgan.

I’m just sayin’.

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Targetpractice  Nov 6, 2016 • 7:18:59am

re: #221 jaunte

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Yeah, haven’t we heard this tune enough times? “The tax cuts/credits will pay for themselves!” You remember, before that massive economic downturn that killed more personal wealth than any recession since the Great Depression.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Nov 6, 2016 • 7:19:29am

re: #231 jaunte

Lord knows this pic will come in handy Tuesday night.

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Anymouse  Nov 6, 2016 • 7:20:07am

re: #228 Barefoot Grin

My sense from living most of my life in corn country of Illinois and with many cousins who finally quit farming was that the concept of the family farm is nearly over. They were getting swallowed up by bigger operations and the corn was essentially going to ADM for processing and shipment to global markets. The reason Democrats pay little attention to the small towns and farm country there is because they are solidly R all the way to the sheriff and school board.

Screw small towns, they don’t matter. There are voters, and there are second-tier citizens that don’t matter because they don’t live on the coasts but they grow all our food. = Democratic Party

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BigPapa  Nov 6, 2016 • 7:20:29am

Baratunde spits the fire, really good stuff.
If Trump Were Black, Latino, Muslim, or a Woman…

I wrote most of these stream of consciousness remarks to myself shortly after the Democratic National Convention. I was angry. I was impatient. And I wasn’t sure whether to press publish or not. But we are less than one week out from the election, and if there’s a chance any of these words can move someone to vote against Trump and for Clinton, I need to share them.

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Nojay UK  Nov 6, 2016 • 7:20:43am

re: #211 Nyet

Brexit is akin to a constitutional amendment.

Any referendum in the UK is advisory only, including the recent one on membership of the European Union. Parliament is supreme and has been since it was explained to King Charles 1st with the edge of an axe on a cold January day in 1649. The results of a referendum can influence Government policy but cannot compel it. The UK’s Supreme Court has so ruled although it should have been obvious; our current government doesn’t really want to make a stand on this one way or the other but they’re going to have to do their jobs whether they like it or not.

The only votes that count in terms of British governance are the ones counted in an election to choose members of Parliament and subsequently the lobby votes in Parliament.

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Nyet  Nov 6, 2016 • 7:21:30am

re: #237 Anymouse

Go to bed now plz and next time don’t get so much help from the Captain ;)

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Nyet  Nov 6, 2016 • 7:23:00am

re: #239 Nojay UK

I know that, even if Daily Mail doesn’t.
There’s the pretense though that the referendum was an expression of democracy. It wasn’t.

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Donkey With No Name  Nov 6, 2016 • 7:23:59am

re: #209 Nyet

No system that excludes adult citizens without any rational reason (e.g.: women) qualifies as an actual democracy in the modern sense either. So Athens are right out.

I meant by procedure (direct voting on legislation, many offices filled by lot). When we talk about modern democracy, we talk about representative systems with the rule of law, minority protections, etc., and then I guess we can all have our own Platonic ideals of such a thing in our heads.

If it’s a parliamentary system, then at least the members of parliament are elected by popular vote, so it still counts. If the US were a parliamentary system there would have been no objection. But it isn’t. It’s quite close to an actual democracy though, I’ll grant you that.

Distinction without much of a difference; the electoral college votes reflect the popular vote of a state in the same way that the elected Westminster MP reflects the vote of a constituency (putting aside faithless electors). In a system where there was no EC per se, but we just assigned “Presidential Points” in the way electoral college votes are assigned now, 2000 would still have been the same. So why is that result bad, but it’s OK for a British party that comes in second in the popular vote to choose the PM - who, by the way, most people do not directly vote for? (This is not a hypothetical - it has happened several times.)

I’m not saying that we epitomize democracy - we have a lot to improve in many ways - but arguments involving “actual democracy” always bother me. Any practicable system involves compromises which may in edge cases lead to counterintuitive outcomes. In the case of the EC the effect is to weight votes in rural states more than urban ones. I don’t know if that’s a compromise we really want to keep, but from the POV of minority protections there’s a certain logic to it.

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Barefoot Grin  Nov 6, 2016 • 7:24:26am

re: #237 Anymouse

Screw small towns, they don’t matter. There are voters, and there are second-tier citizens that don’t matter because they don’t live on the coasts but they grow all our food. = Democratic Party

It used to be a fair mix. Most of my family were FDR democrats. I don’t know the answer, but I suspect that the ones making the food are no longer democrats. That’s what I’m saying. Now, how could the Democrats change things? More subsidies? I feel for you. And I’m a transplanted east coast liberal living in a very Trump-favoring section of New England. I feel equally unrepresented.

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weave  Nov 6, 2016 • 7:26:41am

re: #220 Anymouse

a) Virginia is an open-carry state. After investigation it was determined that the man was both outside the perimeter for electioneering, and that his open-carry was lawful/
.

Is there a law against carrying a night stick in Philadelphia?

If not, why did the story get so many legs on Fox news that day and four years later?. The incident in 2012 the guy didn’t even have a club. He was just standing there.

The point is, being Black standing in front of a voting place is intimidating but a White guy with a gun in a state where there’s an active terror alert for possible attacks this week is just AOK.

I’m in Virginia. My wife is scared to death to go vote. We’re hearing in the news about Al Queda threats to strike in VA, NY and TX and here’s someone with a gun standing around at the poll asking if you are voting for crooked Hillary.

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Nyet  Nov 6, 2016 • 7:27:24am

re: #242 Donkey With No Name

OK, I concede the point.

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Decatur Deb  Nov 6, 2016 • 7:27:24am

re: #221 jaunte

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An economy modelled on the successful perpetual motion machine.

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jaunte  Nov 6, 2016 • 7:28:49am

re: #246 Decatur Deb

Take this tollway to the Taxpayer Bailout!

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Targetpractice  Nov 6, 2016 • 7:29:11am

re: #238 BigPapa

Baratunde spits the fire, really good stuff.
If Trump Were Black, Latino, Muslim, or a Woman…

We don’t have to play pretend, we just look to 2012. Herman Cain’s candidacy pretty much ended the moment that he was accused by a woman of sexual misconduct. And he was a man who was sold to us repeatedly as a “successful businessman” who could get the economy fixed because he had “experience.”

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Nov 6, 2016 • 7:29:23am

re: #232 Anymouse

Thanks for calling all of us morons, including the Democrats who live here. You know, we aren’t all rich like coastal liberals and can move at the drop of a hat to the People’s Republic of Oregon or California. Some of us have to stay where we are, where the Democratic Party ignores us.

Obviously you’re not a moron because you’ve seen through the GOP’s smoke and mirrors. Your neighbors haven’t.

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Anymouse  Nov 6, 2016 • 7:29:58am

re: #240 Nyet

Go to bed now plz and next time don’t get so much help from the Captain ;)

Captain Morgan pays more attention to me than the Democratic Party. They have never (not once) responded to either an E-mail nor a letter.

That said, you are probably right, I have become too friendly with the Captain and I need to turn in.

That said, the rants I posted prior are real. There is a reason folk here flock to the Republicans, and it is primarily that the Democrats do not care whether we live or die. The party never, not once, ever sends anyone to campaign, never takes out an advert, &c. The party has ceded the area because it does not care about the voters here.

Thus it is not surprising that this House district is the most likely to vote for Mr. Trump; the Democratic Party doesn’t give a flip about anyone who lives here.

That is not the way to win elections. What happened to the so-called fifty state strategy? State polling, which had NE-2 for Clinton, now solidly puts that district in the Trump camp. You know why that happened? The GOP put effort in the district; the Democrats didn’t even bother to run an ad in a laundromat. A district that should have gone to Clinton is lost, because in the view of people who live here, coastal liberals do not give a damn.

I suspect after this election, more Democrats will abandon the party here, because the party abandoned us. I suppose I will be the last person in the Panhandle turning out the lights for the Democratic Party.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Nov 6, 2016 • 7:31:18am

re: #236 GlutenFreeJesus

Lord knows this pic will come in handy Tuesday night.

San Diego County seems ridiculously large. They need to give it the same breakdown.

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Targetpractice  Nov 6, 2016 • 7:31:36am

re: #246 Decatur Deb

An economy modelled on the successful perpetual motion machine.

It’s the sort of proposal that always sounds good in theory (“No new taxes!”), but always falls apart because people find ways around “usage fees.”

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Anymouse  Nov 6, 2016 • 7:32:16am

re: #244 weave

Is there a law against carrying a night stick in Philadelphia?

If not, why did the story get so many legs on Fox news that day and four years later?. The incident in 2012 the guy didn’t even have a club. He was just standing there.

The point is, being Black standing in front of a voting place is intimidating but a White guy with a gun in a state where there’s an active terror alert for possible attacks this week is just AOK.

I’m in Virginia. My wife is scared to death to go vote. We’re hearing in the news about Al Queda threats to strike in VA, NY and TX and here’s someone with a gun standing around at the poll asking if you are voting for crooked Hillary.

Because FOX News lies. The Al Queda threat is nonsense: Al Queda is a shadow of its former self; the issue is more rodent copulation by people who want to suppress the vote.

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jaunte  Nov 6, 2016 • 7:32:16am

I find it very odd that any veteran would vote for Trump.

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Belafon  Nov 6, 2016 • 7:34:43am

re: #213 Anymouse

The south was the biggest part of our agriculture before the Civil War.

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Decatur Deb  Nov 6, 2016 • 7:36:23am

re: #255 Belafon

The south was the biggest part of our agriculture before the Civil War.

And humans were the most valuable sector of the entire nation’s commodity market.

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Anymouse  Nov 6, 2016 • 7:37:41am

re: #254 jaunte

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I find it very odd that any veteran would vote for Trump.

Veterans here will vote for Trump because the Democrats have entirely abandoned us.

I suspect I will be the only veteran in town that voted for Mrs. Clinton. The rest? Either they did not vote or they voted for Mr. Trump because he addressed us directly. It does not matter he lied; the Democrats did not respond to his lies so they stand as truth here. (I cannot cover my whole district to counter GOP lies.)

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Dr. Matt  Nov 6, 2016 • 7:38:53am
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Targetpractice  Nov 6, 2016 • 7:40:33am

Not to mention the whole “it’s not a tax!” bit is a lie because usage fees are a form of tax, they’re a very regressive tax that hits the people least able to afford them. Saying “it won’t cost anything” is bullshit because a $1.25 “toll” may not sound much to the people who don’t travel a major artery every day, but paying $2.50 for 5 or more days a week quickly eats into your disposable income.

Hillary’s plan is set up to tax the people who can most afford to pay the tax and is spent on infrastructure that will benefit the most people. Trump’s plan is at best a giveaway to his buddies, at worst is a license to them to print money by squeezing as much as they can out of “profitable” infrastructure.

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BigPapa  Nov 6, 2016 • 7:41:02am

re: #258 Dr. Matt

Wow. And we want this guy to run the country. Why would he refuse to pay the pollster? Hating the messenger?

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jaunte  Nov 6, 2016 • 7:41:09am

re: #257 Anymouse

I think at some point people have to take some responsibility for finding out whether they’re being lied to.

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dangerman  Nov 6, 2016 • 7:42:52am

ok, im just jumping in here without reading the downthread.

from my fave electoral-vote.com 11/6/16 edition, breathe and be calm.
(all bold and italics mine)

ok charlie cook reverses…from zero to “miniscule, not zero”

Nine days ago—before James Comey dropped his bombshell—election guru Charlie Cook declared that the race was over and Hillary Clinton was going to be the winner. Now he is taking back his declaration, and said that with the polls tightening in the past week, a Trump victory is conceivable, although he said the chances of it are small. Cook said that Trump’s only path is to hold onto all the states Mitt Romney won in 2012, win Florida, Ohio, and Iowa, and then flip a couple of the “blue wall” states. He added that the chances of Clinton getting 330 electoral votes are higher than the chances of Trump getting 270, but the chances of the latter occurring are not zero anymore

ok so not zero. yeah, im worried.

abc news / wapo is back pre-comey

She’s now up 47% to 43%, which is exactly where things stood a week before Comey’s announcement.

the section on early voting is both devastating and restrained.

In the end, these early voting numbers could be predictive of what’s going to happen on Election Day. Alternatively, they could prove to be Hillary Clinton’s insurance policy against a Comey-inspired backlash. Either way, though, she still looks like the much better bet to claim the White House. Charlie Cook (see above) probably shouldn’t be so skittish

ok it’s not 11/8 yet so don’t relax, don’t let up, gotv.

And be calm, breathe and smile.

(personally, i’ll accept the more or less currently predicted result, around 320 ev clinton. i’m guessing it’ll be surprisingly bigger than that, though i wont eat a bug if im wrong)

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Anymouse  Nov 6, 2016 • 7:44:23am

re: #261 jaunte

I think at some point people have to take some responsibility for finding out whether they’re being lied to.

Agreed, but when there is only one person and one party putting a narrative to a town that has no Internet (other than my house), where are they going to get the information?

The Republicans have made a big deal about campaigning here; no Democrat, not one other than me, has made the effort to talk to us.

The message that comes across here? Democrats don’t care about us. Every other message does not matter if that is the principal message voters see.

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BigPapa  Nov 6, 2016 • 7:44:44am
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ObserverArt  Nov 6, 2016 • 7:45:19am

I would say the only reason the Republicans feed the smaller towns and the farm areas is because they need those votes. To say they care more is to say they care more for those votes.

But do they really care for the people’s lives more? Very doubtful.

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Dr Lizardo  Nov 6, 2016 • 7:46:32am

re: #258 Dr. Matt


LOLOL anyone working for Trump on this debacle better make damn sure they ask for their payment right. fucking. now. because I can guarantee you that Trump’s gonna stiff ‘em come November 9th.
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Decatur Deb  Nov 6, 2016 • 7:48:39am

re: #266 Dr Lizardo

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LOLOL anyone working for Trump on this debacle better make damn sure they ask for the payment right. fucking. now. because I can guarantee you that Trump’s gonna stiff ‘em come November 9th.

Remembering that Romney’s staffers’ credit cards were declined when they tried to get home from the ‘Victory’ party.

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Dr Lizardo  Nov 6, 2016 • 7:49:15am

re: #267 Decatur Deb

Remembering that Romney’s staffers’ credit cards were declined when they tried to get home from the ‘Victory’ party.

That’s precisely what I was thinking of.

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jaunte  Nov 6, 2016 • 7:49:21am

re: #263 Anymouse

It seems to be mostly a structural/population problem. The Democrats are focusing on places where they have a better chance of the work they put in paying off in more votes. For instance, my home county has more than twice as many people as the state of Nebraska.

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Anymouse  Nov 6, 2016 • 7:50:02am

re: #265 ObserverArt

I would say the only reason the Republicans feed the smaller towns and the farm areas is because they need those votes. To say they care more is to say they care more for those votes.

But do they really care for the people’s lives more? Very doubtful.

I don’t think the GOP gives a hoot about individual people here.

I know my own party doesn’t care because not one person, not one advert, nothing from the Democratic Party other than this lone liberal crying in the wilderness has been heard.

I can write letters to the Scottsbluff Star-Herald until my hand wears out; I can talk until I am blue in the face to voters in my village, but the GOP has a real GOTV effort here with politicians all up and down the pile.

The Democratic Party will not even respond to me, neither the state nor the national party. What the hell am I supposed to do?

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Anymouse  Nov 6, 2016 • 7:51:16am

re: #269 jaunte

It seems to be mostly a structural/population problem. The Democrats are focusing on places where they have a better chance of the work they put in paying off in more votes. For instance, my home county has more than twice as many people as the state of Nebraska.

In other words, we don’t matter. That is exactly how the voters here see it. Our five electoral votes do not matter to Democrats.

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Donkey With No Name  Nov 6, 2016 • 7:52:24am

re: #213 Anymouse

Here’s the thing: of course I care. If I were running the DNC or the Nebraska Democrats I would do something. But as someone who doesn’t live in NE, who doesn’t know what local issues are important, what exactly am I supposed to do other than sympathize? These things have to come from a local level, and you might be well served to ask why the people around you seem content with one-party rule.

I do think the weakening of state parties has been a major problem. It used to be that the national Democratic party was a coalition of state parties; now there’s an idea that everything has to be imposed from the top, as it were, and there’s a natural notion that you vote D only if you see yourself like the most D areas of the country, and converse for R. But it doesn’t have to be that way. As much as people say “we need a national conservative party to balance the Democrats,” this applies even more to the states.

On a personal note, while I appreciate the points about flyover states etc.: you have to appreciate that this goes both ways. I’m a university professor who is a person of color with a trans-Atlantic accent, who has lived Inside the Beltway and in the apparent Killzone of Chicago: do you think that the Generic Republican of the Heartland is going to think of me, really, as being their equal as an American? Honestly I see far more hatred directed at big cities and their occupants than at Middle America; the latter seems to me mostly irritation and incomprehension (like, how is Brownback still governor?)

In summary, then, do what you do because it’s right for your community, not because us coastal types do or do not care. The end.

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Nyet  Nov 6, 2016 • 7:52:27am

littlegreenfootballs.com

I do not cut fascist apologists slack simply because they are family members.

Representative Steve King wants me deported because my grandparents entered unlawfully (Slavs were excluded in the run up to the Nazi invasion of Poland). King has endorsed Trump.

Family does not trump democracy. Trump is an extinction level event for democracy. A family member supporting a fascist is a fascist. If I could not convert a family member from that, then they are no longer my family.

But, you see, they are only fascists because Democratic party abandoned them.

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jaunte  Nov 6, 2016 • 7:52:45am

re: #271 Anymouse

I’m sure they’ve done a cost/benefit calculation, and have decided they would like to have your votes, but can’t afford them.

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Targetpractice  Nov 6, 2016 • 7:53:18am

re: #262 dangerman

ok, im just jumping in here without reading the downthread.

from my fave electoral-vote.com 11/6/16 edition, breathe and be calm.
(all bold and italics mine)

ok charlie cook reverses…from zero to “miniscule, not zero”

ok so not zero. yeah, im worried.

abc news / wapo is back pre-comey

the section on early voting is both devastating and restrained.

ok it’s not 11/8 yet so don’t relax, don’t let up, gotv.

And be calm, breathe and smile.

(personally, i’ll accept the more or less currently predicted result, around 320 ev clinton. i’m guessing it’ll be surprisingly bigger than that, though i wont eat a bug if im wrong)

“Be Calm and GOTV” has been the motto all year. That Trump has a greater than zero chance is not saying much. I have a greater than zero chance of being struck by lightning on a sunny day, but I’m not about to start writing out my will. One of two things is going to happen on Tuesday: Hillary Clinton will win the election and we go forward, or Donald Trump wins on the thinnest of margins and we start preparing for the opening of the sixth seal.

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MsJ  Nov 6, 2016 • 7:53:49am
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Targetpractice  Nov 6, 2016 • 7:55:02am

I still don’t believe Trump is going to concede come Wednesday. And if he does, it will be after hours of consulting his pack of lawyers to see if there’s any way he can contest enough votes to shift the race. And when he does concede, it will be the style of General Cornwallis: Sending one of his surrogates out to give the announcement so he doesn’t have to face the public.

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Anymouse  Nov 6, 2016 • 7:55:55am

re: #274 jaunte

I’m sure they’ve done a cost/benefit calculation, and have decided they would like to have your votes, but can’t afford them.

We’re too expensive. I suspect an advert on local television or radio or newspapers here is far far cheaper than one on the coast.

Screw the fifty state strategy. That part in the middle of the continent? It doesn’t matter (until farmers decide to quit shipping food to the coasts).

That attitude is precisely why the Democratic Party is dying in the mid-continent.

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jaunte  Nov 6, 2016 • 7:58:10am

re: #278 Anymouse

The food production industry is not going to go on strike, no matter which party is in power.

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Decatur Deb  Nov 6, 2016 • 8:00:09am

re: #271 Anymouse

In other words, we don’t matter. That is exactly how the voters here see it. Our five electoral votes do not matter to Democrats.

Cold truth: You’ve had mass casualty triage classes. Think of yourselves as “Expectant”.

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Barefoot Grin  Nov 6, 2016 • 8:00:18am

re: #274 jaunte

I’m sure they’ve done a cost/benefit calculation, and have decided they would like to have your votes, but can’t afford them.

This reminds me of Backwoods Sleuth who has been a registered Republican (IIRC) in Kentucky because not in her lifetime will Democrats have any role in her local politics. But her personal politics are pretty clearly in line with the Ds. It sucks, I know.

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Anymouse  Nov 6, 2016 • 8:00:41am

re: #279 jaunte

The food production industry is not going to go on strike, no matter which party is in power.

You wanna bet? There really are farmers and ranchers here who say they would rather sell locally at a reduced profit than sell to liberals on the coasts. It is a real thing. It is too bad you live in a bubble.

Since this is a capitalist nation, no one can force a farmer to sell food to anyone (or even plant crops).

Numerous political pundits have already held forth that any civil war that might come forth would not be with arms, it would be with food.

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jaunte  Nov 6, 2016 • 8:01:40am

re: #282 Anymouse

Maybe individuals will be that stupid, but major food producing corporations are not going to destroy themselves.

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Donkey With No Name  Nov 6, 2016 • 8:01:50am

re: #279 jaunte

By a very large margin the most agriculturally productive state is California, so, yeah, I don’t think the “shut down the food” thing is going to work.

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Barefoot Grin  Nov 6, 2016 • 8:02:09am

Sound like it’s time for a Maoist redistribution of land in the heartland. /////////////

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jaunte  Nov 6, 2016 • 8:03:18am

I’m out in the country in Texas right now, surrounded by Republican ranchers who gladly sell their beef to city liberals.

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Belafon  Nov 6, 2016 • 8:03:44am

re: #278 Anymouse

We’re too expensive. I suspect an advert on local television or radio or newspapers here is far far cheaper than one on the coast.

Screw the fifty state strategy. That part in the middle of the continent? It doesn’t matter (until farmers decide to quit shipping food to the coasts).

That attitude is precisely why the Democratic Party is dying in the mid-continent.

Cost per person there is way higher than in places where local populations are bigger than the state of Nebraska.

Does it suck that the US is so big that the president can’t shake everyone’s hand? Obviously. I would love for Clinton to come to my blood red County in the Dallas area and see me, or even play ad that says “I see you, supporters, in that sea of red,” but it isn’t going to happen. At least the president can earn one EV from your state.

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Dr Lizardo  Nov 6, 2016 • 8:04:47am

re: #277 Targetpractice

I still don’t believe Trump is going to concede come Wednesday. And if he does, it will be after hours of consulting his pack of lawyers to see if there’s any way he can contest enough votes to shift the race. And when he does concede, it will be the style of General Cornwallis: Sending one of his surrogates out to give the announcement so he doesn’t have to face the public.

That same thought has crossed my mind as well.

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Decatur Deb  Nov 6, 2016 • 8:06:09am

re: #287 Belafon

Cost per person there is way higher than in places where local populations are bigger than the state of Nebraska.

Does it suck that the US is so big that the president ant shake everyone’s hand? Obviously. I would look for Clinton to come to my blood red County in the Dallas area and see me, or even a key not ad that say “I see you, supporters, in that sea of red, but it isn’t going to happen. At least the president can earn one EV from your state.

It took three tries to get a Dem rally in critical N. Florida. And we got Bill for an hour. it’s a big fuckn’ country.

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Targetpractice  Nov 6, 2016 • 8:09:05am

I imagine Trump Tower will get its real-life reenactment of the Downfall Bunker Scene come Tuesday night, as the returns roll in and Trump watches the path to the presidency slam shut before the last polls have been closed. The list of states he would need to win to clinch the presidency is such that any one state lost and its over. So when the results start rolling in and FL, NC, or OH go blue, it’s over.

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Anymouse  Nov 6, 2016 • 8:09:47am

re: #283 jaunte

Maybe individuals will be that stupid, but major food producing corporations are not going to destroy themselves.

Funny how corporations like ADM don’t actually own farms, they buy crops from farmers on contract.

I just called four random farmers here in the area: four told me if Hillary Clinton wins they will not plant crops. They will let their fields go fallow.

Is this a concern? I don’t know. I do know if the Democrats keep ignoring us then we will be a one-party state, and all the states around us will as well, because the GOP is using a fifty state strategy and the Dems are not. There is a reason that this is the most Trump-leaning House district in the nation.

We can eat corn and cattle, but New Yorkers cannot eat hedge funds, and Californians cannot eat movies.

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BigPapa  Nov 6, 2016 • 8:10:18am

I’m out in the middle of the ocean and all you big city coastal liberals and flyover conservatives give fuckall about me.

Just don’t elect Cheetus Maximus and I’m good.

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Mattand  Nov 6, 2016 • 8:10:24am

re: #290 Targetpractice

I imagine Trump Tower will get its real-life reenactment of the Downfall Bunker Scene come Tuesday night, as the returns roll in and Trump watches the path to the presidency slam shut before the last polls have been closed. The list of states he would need to win to clinch the presidency is such that any one state lost and its over. So when the results start rolling in and FL, NC, or OH go blue, it’s over.

Is OH really going blue? Every forecast I’ve seen says leaning R.

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retired cynic  Nov 6, 2016 • 8:10:30am

I think we are beginning to eat our own for breakfast. Here’s a change of pace, to one of my favorite creatures on the planet:

facebook.com

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ObserverArt  Nov 6, 2016 • 8:10:48am

re: #270 Anymouse

I don’t think the GOP gives a hoot about individual people here.

I know my own party doesn’t care because not one person, not one advert, nothing from the Democratic Party other than this lone liberal crying in the wilderness has been heard.

I can write letters to the Scottsbluff Star-Herald until my hand wears out; I can talk until I am blue in the face to voters in my village, but the GOP has a real GOTV effort here with politicians all up and down the pile.

The Democratic Party will not even respond to me, neither the state nor the national party. What the hell am I supposed to do?

Have the citizens of your state shut off FOX News!

You may think I am just messing with you, but in a way it is the truth.

I don’t know how long you have lived in Nebraska, but when was the last time the state has had a strong Democratic party? When was the last time the state voted for a Democratic president, governor, senators?

You may have moved into an unmovable state and want to see change that may just never come. Is that the fault of the Democrats?

Remember our system works on representation. And it goes both ways. If the people of the state pay no attention, even refuse to listen to a party who’s fault is it the party is cold to them come election time?

Our voting system is built on the electoral college system. The party’s work within that system. What does that system mean to someone in your predicament? It means what you are talking about. Is that the Democrats fault? You seem to want to blame them for it. Yet, you are living the problem they face.

You ARE the only Democrat in a big ol’ area…and you do not watch FOX News.

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Dr Lizardo  Nov 6, 2016 • 8:11:55am

re: #290 Targetpractice

I imagine Trump Tower will get its real-life reenactment of the Downfall Bunker Scene come Tuesday night, as the returns roll in and Trump watches the path to the presidency slam shut before the last polls have been closed. The list of states he would need to win to clinch the presidency is such that any one state lost and its over. So when the results start rolling in and FL, NC, or OH go blue, it’s over.

I can well imagine that Trump would go all Downfall; I have a sneaking suspicion that his advisers aren’t telling him the actual truth of the situation - either that, or they’re as delusional as he is and sincerely believe that a last-minute victory is theirs.

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Targetpractice  Nov 6, 2016 • 8:12:20am

re: #293 Mattand

Is OH really going blue? Every forecast I’ve seen says leaning R.

It’s why I said “or,” as the odds of all three going red are slim. Especially if Hillary really is enjoying a surge in Hispanic voter support. Trump needs to win every start Romney won in 2012 and find a way to peel off a state from the “blue wall.” It’s not impossible, hence the “greater than zero” predictions, but the odds are so against him right now that it might as well be ruled impossible.

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BigPapa  Nov 6, 2016 • 8:12:27am

re: #293 Mattand

Is OH really going blue? Every forecast I’ve seen says leaning R.

OH is still red but right at margin of error so it’s close. FL is the opposite: just barely blue but within MOE.

Ground game may be the difference.

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Donkey With No Name  Nov 6, 2016 • 8:12:35am

re: #291 Anymouse

I just called four random farmers here in the area: four told me if Hillary Clinton wins they will not plant crops. They will let their fields go fallow.

Better prices for those who will sell, then.

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Mattand  Nov 6, 2016 • 8:12:42am

re: #294 retired cynic

I think we are beginning to eat our own for breakfast. Here’s a change of pace, to one of my favorite creatures on the planet:

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facebook.com

I swear to God, if I go on Wikipedia and find out cheetahs eat their young, I’m going to hit you with a rubber chicken.

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b_sharp  Nov 6, 2016 • 8:14:19am

re: #88 Nyet

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Well, I bought a vehicle yesterday to replace the Subaru that was totaled. It’s a 2010 Jeep Patriot.

I like the vehicle, but I hate the name. I think I need to change the name to something else.

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jaunte  Nov 6, 2016 • 8:14:37am

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Mattand  Nov 6, 2016 • 8:15:17am

re: #291 Anymouse

Funny how corporations like ADM don’t actually own farms, they buy crops from farmers on contract.

I just called four random farmers here in the area: four told me if Hillary Clinton wins they will not plant crops. They will let their fields go fallow.

re: #299 Donkey With No Name

Better prices for those who will sell, then.

Yeah, I’m not buying the “I’ll let my kids die of starvation if Clinton wins” act, either.

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dangerman  Nov 6, 2016 • 8:15:35am

re: #291 Anymouse

I just called four random farmers here in the area: four told me if Hillary Clinton wins they will not plant crops. They will let their fields go fallow.

just jumping in - again

that’s the bakery / no gay cakes argument.
it’s a great symbolic gesture.
it’s a lousy business model.

unless you have another source of income.

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Nojay UK  Nov 6, 2016 • 8:16:06am

re: #291 Anymouse

I just called four random farmers here in the area: four told me if Hillary Clinton wins they will not plant crops. They will let their fields go fallow.

And their Federal agricultural subsidy cheques and crop insurance payments will dry up. The state of Nebraska might make good those payments out of the general funds they get from the Federal government but I wouldn’t hold my breath.

In reality when President Clinton is sworn in they”ll plant their crops and grow food and sell it at a good profit to the “coastal elites” they despise while they cash the subsidy cheques the Democratic states like California and New York pay for and they’ll still mutter resentfully about being considered as living in “flyover states”.

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b_sharp  Nov 6, 2016 • 8:16:17am

re: #96 Nyet

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You’re on fire.

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Decatur Deb  Nov 6, 2016 • 8:16:21am

re: #301 b_sharp

Well, I bought a vehicle yesterday to replace the Subaru that was totaled. It’s a 2010 Jeep Patriot.

I like the vehicle, but I hate the name. I think I need to change the name to something else.

Land Rover.

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The Vicious Babushka  Nov 6, 2016 • 8:16:37am
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calochortus  Nov 6, 2016 • 8:16:44am

I live in the SF Bay Area and neither I nor Mr. C can recall any campaign rallies here recently. Fundraisers? Yes, lots and lots of fundraisers, but off the top of my head, the very smallest amount I can recall it costing is $250 to view the candidate. (There might have been a Trump event that was less expensive, but I doubt it.)

We see few commercials (OK, I mostly watch PBS) and mercifully aren’t being bothered much. I could say that as a not-super-wealthy denizen of the area, I’m being ignored, but folks in the great heartland think I’m being courted and fussed over. I’m not. I’m being taken for granted and that’s fine with me.

Anymouse, I do understand your frustration, but really, not everyone on the coasts ignores the middle of the country. As was said, it’s a big country.

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BigPapa  Nov 6, 2016 • 8:16:52am

re: #301 b_sharp

Well, I bought a vehicle yesterday to replace the Subaru that was totaled. It’s a 2010 Jeep Patriot.

I like the vehicle, but I hate the name. I think I need to change the name to something else.

How about a 2010 Jeep Social Justice Warrior?

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jaunte  Nov 6, 2016 • 8:17:03am

re: #301 b_sharp

Well, I bought a vehicle yesterday to replace the Subaru that was totaled. It’s a 2010 Jeep Patriot.

I like the vehicle, but I hate the name. I think I need to change the name to something else.

“Brad”

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Decatur Deb  Nov 6, 2016 • 8:17:11am

re: #303 Mattand

Yeah, I’m not buying the “I’ll let my kids die of starvation if Clinton wins” act, either.

That’s the rural version of the businessmen that were going to shut down to avoid Obamacare.

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ObserverArt  Nov 6, 2016 • 8:17:26am

re: #278 Anymouse

We’re too expensive. I suspect an advert on local television or radio or newspapers here is far far cheaper than one on the coast.

Screw the fifty state strategy. That part in the middle of the continent? It doesn’t matter (until farmers decide to quit shipping food to the coasts).

That attitude is precisely why the Democratic Party is dying in the mid-continent.

‘mouse…dying or already dead? As I said in my last comment., this is nothing new. History is not on your side. The people of your state are not on your side. Sure the costs of a commercial are next to nothing. Might as well roll down a window of a car and toss the money out to the wind. It probably would do more for the people that found it along the road than a commercial would.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Nov 6, 2016 • 8:17:33am

re: #277 Targetpractice

I still don’t believe Trump is going to concede come Wednesday. And if he does, it will be after hours of consulting his pack of lawyers to see if there’s any way he can contest enough votes to shift the race. And when he does concede, it will be the style of General Cornwallis: Sending one of his surrogates out to give the announcement so he doesn’t have to face the public.

“THIS ELECTION WAS RIGGED! CROOKED HILLARY IS NOT OUR LEGITIMATE PRESIDENT! FIGHT!!!!”

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Anymouse  Nov 6, 2016 • 8:17:58am

re: #295 ObserverArt

Have the citizens of your state shut off FOX News!

You may think I am just messing with you, but in a way it is the truth.

I don’t know how long you have lived in Nebraska, but when was the last time the state has had a strong Democratic party? When was the last time the state voted for a Democratic president, governor, senators?

You may have moved into an unmovable state and want to see change that may just never come. Is that the fault of the Democrats?

Remember our system works on representation. And it goes both ways. If the people of the state pay no attention, even refuse to listen to a party who’s fault is it the party is cold to them come election time?

Our voting system is built on the electoral college system. The party’s work within that system. What does that system mean to someone in your predicament? It means what you are talking about. Is that the Democrats fault? You seem to want to blame them for it. Yet, you are living the problem they face.

You ARE the only Democrat in a big ol’ area…and you do not watch FOX News.

Well, I don’t own a television.

As for living in Democratic areas, I never have since I have been an adult. First the Navy, then homelessness, ensured that.

Yes it is the Democrats fault. If the party does not wish to build a fifty state party, it will be a regional party. If it only has a vision for part of the nation, the rest of the nation will consider it un-American. No one in the middle of the country cares a damn about traffic problems in LA or Bridgegate in New Jersey.

As a matter of fact, the way Bridgegate is seen here is as a political witchhunt. Since zero Democrats have bothered to explain what the problem is, all Bridgegate is doing in this part of the nation with scores of electoral votes is creating enemies.

Not one newspaper advert. Not one letter to a paper (other than mine).

If Democrats don’t care about us, then the overwhelming majority of people here will ignore Democrats as un-American.

As for FOX News Channel, I can’t make people not watch what they shouldn’t. I can call out FOX as a propaganda outlet, but people here want FOX’s message, because the Democrats do not have one at all.

I can’t give a reason to people here to vote for Democrats if the party won’t even talk to me.

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Mattand  Nov 6, 2016 • 8:18:12am

re: #296 Dr Lizardo

I can well imagine that Trump would go all Downfall; I have a sneaking suspicion that his advisers aren’t telling him the actual truth of the situation - either that, or they’re as delusional as he is and sincerely believe that a last-minute victory is theirs.

LOL, I can’t blame them, since the FBI decided to join forces with Putin and branch out into Republican GOTV.

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Anymouse  Nov 6, 2016 • 8:19:13am

re: #302 jaunte

Other than California, look at all those Red states that grow food for the coasts.

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jaunte  Nov 6, 2016 • 8:19:46am
I just called four random farmers here in the area: four told me if Hillary Clinton wins they will not plant crops. They will let their fields go fallow.

So, that’s a very expensive pathology for the Democratic party to attempt to undo. They have more productive places to spend the effort in.

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dangerman  Nov 6, 2016 • 8:20:04am

re: #311 jaunte

“Brad”

+1

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jaunte  Nov 6, 2016 • 8:20:25am

re: #319 dangerman

(most annoying commercial of the decade)

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Jay C  Nov 6, 2016 • 8:20:46am

Maybe a bit OT, but are there any Virginia Lizards (or anyone who knows the rules) who can answer a question for me?

If (When, Dog willing) Tim Kaine is elected VP, and has to resign his Senate seat, does his replacement, whoever it is, have to run in a “confirmation” election next November?

I checked a site yesterday regard Senate-appointment laws, and VA’s said that in the case of a US Senate vacancy, the Governor appoints a successor, who then serves “until the next statewide general election” - and, then, thereafter, if re-elected, until the expiration of the normal Senate term.

Since Virginia elects its Governor in odd years, the next “statewide general election” would seem to be next November. So am I right in thinking that any replacement Senator would have to run again in 2017, and/or again in 2018 (the normal expiration of Tim Kaine’s term)?

Maybe it’s just needless worry, but in a Senate which appears to be looking at a very narrow margin of control in the next Congress, every Dem seat is going to count (and state races have much more potential for mischief) - I’m wondering if this may become an issue for the next Administration.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Nov 6, 2016 • 8:21:47am

re: #291 Anymouse

Then they lose their livelyhoods over politics. Honestly, if they are going to be that petty, screw them.

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dangerman  Nov 6, 2016 • 8:22:33am

re: #320 jaunte

(most annoying commercial of the decade)

agreed
i think their commericals are very deceptive. nevertheless.

you still earned the +1 - i think it was your delivery

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Decatur Deb  Nov 6, 2016 • 8:22:59am

re: #315 Anymouse

Well, I don’t own a television.

As for living in Democratic areas, I never have since I have been an adult. First the Navy, then homelessness, ensured that.

Yes it is the Democrats fault. If the party does not wish to build a fifty state party, it will be a regional party. If it only has a vision for part of the nation, the rest of the nation will consider it un-American. No one in the middle of the country cares a damn about traffic problems in LA or Bridgegate in New Jersey.

As a matter of fact, the way Bridgegate is seen here is as a political witchhunt. Since zero Democrats have bothered to explain what the problem is, all Bridgegate is doing in this part of the nation with scores of electoral votes is creating enemies.

Not one newspaper advert. Not one letter to a paper (other than mine).

If Democrats don’t care about us, then the overwhelming majority of people here will ignore Democrats as un-American.

As for FOX News Channel, I can’t make people not watch what they shouldn’t. I can call out FOX as a propaganda outlet, but people here want FOX’s message, because the Democrats do not have one at all.

I can’t give a reason to people here to vote for Democrats if the party won’t even talk to me.

Every week about twice as many people cross the GWB than are in your state.

people.hofstra.edu

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ObserverArt  Nov 6, 2016 • 8:23:28am

re: #282 Anymouse

You wanna bet? There really are farmers and ranchers here who say they would rather sell locally at a reduced profit than sell to liberals on the coasts. It is a real thing. It is too bad you live in a bubble.

Since this is a capitalist nation, no one can force a farmer to sell food to anyone (or even plant crops).

Numerous political pundits have already held forth that any civil war that might come forth would not be with arms, it would be with food.

This sounds like people educated by FOX News. How the hell do you change that, when they want to believe it?

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dangerman  Nov 6, 2016 • 8:24:02am

re: #322 GlutenFreeJesus

Then they lose their livelyhoods over politics. Honestly, if they are going to be that petty, screw them.

or else you have to be rich to think that way in the first place

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Targetpractice  Nov 6, 2016 • 8:24:45am

re: #321 Jay C

Maybe a bit OT, but are there any Virginia Lizards (or anyone who knows the rules) who can answer a question for me?

If (When, Dog willing) Tim Kaine is elected VP, and has to resign his Senate seat, does his replacement, whoever it is, have to run in a “confirmation” election next November?

I checked a site yesterday regard Senate-appointment laws, and VA’s said that in the case of a US Senate vacancy, the Governor appoints a successor, who then serves “until the next statewide general election” - and, then, thereafter, if re-elected, until the expiration of the normal Senate term.

Since Virginia elects its Governor in odd years, the next “statewide general election” would seem to be next November. So am I right in thinking that any replacement Senator would have to run again in 2017, and/or again in 2018 (the normal expiration of Tim Kaine’s term)?

Maybe it’s just needless worry, but in a Senate which appears to be looking at a very narrow margin of control in the next Congress, every Dem seat is going to count (and state races have much more potential for mischief) - I’m wondering if this may become an issue for the next Administration.

McAuliffe’s term-limited, so I don’t figure he’s gonna waste any time naming Kaine’s replacement. And yes, whoever replaces Sen. Kaine will serve the remainder of his term and then be able to run for their own. If Terry’s smart, he’ll find somebody he figures can win on their own merits when that day comes, rather than just picking a party stalwart who keeps the seat warm until a Republican wins it.

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BigPapa  Nov 6, 2016 • 8:24:47am

Time to Pineapple Pizza this thread:

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dangerman  Nov 6, 2016 • 8:25:30am

re: #325 ObserverArt

This sounds like people educated by FOX News. How the hell do you change that, when they want to believe it?

possibly except for the week of 9/9/13

(bridgegate)

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Anymouse  Nov 6, 2016 • 8:26:04am

re: #318 jaunte

So, that’s a very expensive pathology for the Democratic party to attempt to undo. They have more productive places to spend the effort in.

Let’s not bother to earn votes; it’s too unproductive.

And coastal Democrats wonder why inland voters vote against their interest: the GOP actually works here to get out the vote.

Too bad Democrats want to be a regional party representing only coastal Americans. The GOP wants to represent all (whether or not they actually do is immaterial: They put out the effort.)

So as the only elected Democrat in eleven counties of the Panhandle, should I just give up? I am quite sure four or five GOP folk in town would be willing to take my seat in the 2018 election if I choose not to run. Why bother? The party doesn’t support me anyway, and the coastal liberals here think this is an area that is too much trouble to campaign in.

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Jenner7  Nov 6, 2016 • 8:26:27am

Our dear leader was viciously attacked by a Hillary supporter, bludgeoned to death with a sign. He will be missed.

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Jenner7  Nov 6, 2016 • 8:26:37am

Not really.

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BigPapa  Nov 6, 2016 • 8:27:13am

If only everybody there was armed with signs.

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b_sharp  Nov 6, 2016 • 8:27:28am

re: #307 Decatur Deb

Land Rover.

Excellent idea.

I’ll start looking for a nameplate.

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b_sharp  Nov 6, 2016 • 8:27:59am

re: #310 BigPapa

How about a 2010 Jeep Social Justice Warrior?

Even better.

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Anymouse  Nov 6, 2016 • 8:28:00am

re: #318 jaunte

So, that’s a very expensive pathology for the Democratic party to attempt to undo. They have more productive places to spend the effort in.

“Those people aren’t worth it, the are lesser than we folk on the coast.”

And you wonder why the GOP does so well here.

“More productive places” is not much different than a differing version of the Jim Crow I grew up in. We don’t matter. Thanks.

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jaunte  Nov 6, 2016 • 8:28:18am

re: #330 Anymouse

Too bad Democrats want to be a regional party representing only coastal Americans.

You’re extrapolating your experience in Nebraska to the entire country. I don’t think that’s accurate. The Democrats are trying to move the needle where they think they can move it.

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b_sharp  Nov 6, 2016 • 8:28:33am

re: #311 jaunte

“Brad”

Can’t. I have a brother named Brad.

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Decatur Deb  Nov 6, 2016 • 8:29:09am

re: #334 b_sharp

Excellent idea.

I’ll start looking for a nameplate.

While you’re at it, get the proper bumper sticker: “No, It’s Not a Fucking Jeep.”

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TedStriker  Nov 6, 2016 • 8:29:29am

re: #338 b_sharp

Can’t. I have a brother named Brad.

“Christine”

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GlutenFreeJesus  Nov 6, 2016 • 8:29:34am

re: #338 b_sharp

Angelina.

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jaunte  Nov 6, 2016 • 8:30:41am

re: #336 Anymouse

For instance, there are efforts being made in Texas to get out more Democratic voters, (despite it’s extreme redness) because of changing demographics and a large population of voters.

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dangerman  Nov 6, 2016 • 8:30:44am

re: #338 b_sharp

Can’t. I have a brother named Brad.

” I’m Larry. This is my brother Darryl. This is my other brother Darryl.”

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TedStriker  Nov 6, 2016 • 8:31:11am

re: #343 dangerman

” I’m Larry. This is my brother Darryl. This is my other brother Darryl.”

Nice Newhart reference…

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Decatur Deb  Nov 6, 2016 • 8:31:22am

Right now I would happily trade 10,000 votes in Nebraska for 1,000 in Florida. There’s your problem.

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dangerman  Nov 6, 2016 • 8:32:12am

re: #337 jaunte

You’re extrapolating your experience in Nebraska to the entire country. I don’t think that’s accurate. The Democrats are trying to move the needle where they think they can move it.

scarce resources in an environment with unscarce target markets

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b_sharp  Nov 6, 2016 • 8:32:18am

re: #339 Decatur Deb

While you’re at it, get the proper bumper sticker: “No, It’s Not a Fucking Jeep.”

I. Like. Jeeps.

I have 2 of them.

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jaunte  Nov 6, 2016 • 8:33:11am

re: #347 b_sharp

I miss my old blue CJ-7

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Decatur Deb  Nov 6, 2016 • 8:33:24am

re: #347 b_sharp

I. Like. Jeeps.

I have 2 of them.

Not an M151, I hope.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Nov 6, 2016 • 8:33:37am

re: #334 b_sharp

Excellent idea.

I’ll start looking for a nameplate.

Is the name separate letters you could rearrange? Like “Taro Pit” or “Apt Riot”? I went to school with a guy who drove a Rambler named “Mabel”.

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b_sharp  Nov 6, 2016 • 8:34:32am

re: #349 Decatur Deb

Not an M151, I hope.

I’d love to have an M151.

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Jay C  Nov 6, 2016 • 8:34:50am

re: #327 Targetpractice

Thanks for the response, but that wasn’t my question: will Kaine’s replacement have to run for the Senate twice - in 2017, and then in 2018 again?

A similar case happened in New Jersey in 2013: Cory Booker won a special election to fill the seat of the late Sen. Lautenberg, but had to run again in 2014 at the end of what would have been Lautenberg’s term)

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b_sharp  Nov 6, 2016 • 8:35:16am

re: #351 b_sharp

I’d love to have an M151.

And yes, I do like pineapple on pizza.

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Decatur Deb  Nov 6, 2016 • 8:35:30am

re: #351 b_sharp

I’d love to have an M151.

If you do, can I have your watch?

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dangerman  Nov 6, 2016 • 8:35:46am

re: #346 dangerman

scarce resources in an environment with unscarce target markets

coca cola spent $3.499 billion in 2014, $3.266 billion in 2013 and $3.342 billion in 2012 on advertising alone.

they’re in everyone’s town

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b_sharp  Nov 6, 2016 • 8:36:22am

re: #354 Decatur Deb

If you do, can I have your watch?

All of them.

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Anymouse  Nov 6, 2016 • 8:36:23am

re: #337 jaunte

You’re extrapolating your experience in Nebraska to the entire country. I don’t think that’s accurate. The Democrats are trying to move the needle where they think they can move it.

Exactly. The Democrats are concentrating on the states they already hold, and are uninterested in moving the needle anywhere else.

The mid-continent states used to be all Democratic strongholds. They are no longer. Look at Kansas and Gov. Sam Brownback,

His policies have destroyed the economy of that state. What has the Democratic Party done to capitalise on that? Zip. Nothing. The party literally does not care about it.

Kansas should be a simple pick up. The Democrats are spending no time there.

And you know what? Voters notice that. Kansas will never have a Democratic governor again in my lifetime, because despite the economic destruction wrought by the GOP, the GOP makes the effort in Kansas to appeal to the voters. The Democrats? Bupkis.

Here? The state governor recently campaigned for Mr. Trump here in the Panhandle. No governor has come to the Panhandle in decades.

No Democratic state legislator bothered to come out here. None.

What the hell am I supposed to do? Even my county party won’t talk to me (the chair is eighty-eight and has cancer, the vice-chair is eighty-seven). We had a person who recently moved here from New York City, trying to inspire the state and national parties and became our county party treasurer, and they ignored him too.

After three years, he left the Democrats. He is now an independent.

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MsJ  Nov 6, 2016 • 8:37:14am

re: #213 Anymouse

A great number of political scientists who think that a civil war is coming do not believe it will be armed forces facing off against each other.

Many believe it will simply be agricultural areas of the USA (like where I live) saying “FU” we’re not going to ship food to the coastal areas.

You wanna starve? Keep ignoring us. Coastal liberals need to quit thinking of the heartland as hicks, uneducated, useless, &c. Either all of us matter, or none of us do.

And they then lose their farms for inability to pay bills because farming doesn’t work that way. They wouldn’t just be cutting off their noses they’d be slicing off their entire faces.

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Anymouse  Nov 6, 2016 • 8:37:26am

re: #345 Decatur Deb

Right now I would happily trade 10,000 votes in Nebraska for 1,000 in Florida. There’s your problem.

#AllVotesMatter

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Anymouse  Nov 6, 2016 • 8:38:02am

re: #358 MsJ

And they then lose their farms for inability to pay bills because farming doesn’t work that way. They wouldn’t just be cutting off their noses they’d be slicing off their entire faces.

You know what? They don’t care. They hate Democrats that much, because Democrats do nothing for them.

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dangerman  Nov 6, 2016 • 8:38:13am

gotta go do yard work

trees and grass do not care a whit about elections

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BigPapa  Nov 6, 2016 • 8:39:31am

re: #353 b_sharp

And yes, I do like pineapple on pizza.

I am extremely disappointed in your life choices.

(looks sternly over glasses, rolls eyes)

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MsJ  Nov 6, 2016 • 8:39:42am

re: #215 Dr Lizardo

I’m so tweeting that.

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Decatur Deb  Nov 6, 2016 • 8:40:11am

re: #360 Anymouse

You know what? They don’t care. They hate Democrats that much, because Democrats do nothing for them.

That’s village thinking. Every cut or raise in SNAP echoes in farm country, and that’s only a quick answer.

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Ubiq  Nov 6, 2016 • 8:40:27am

re: #271 Anymouse

In other words, we don’t matter. That is exactly how the voters here see it. Our five electoral votes do not matter to Democrats.

The idea that the GOP is running a fifty state strategy is fallacious. How much effort do they spend in New York? Illinois? California? Oregon? Hawaii? Maryland? Answer is the same: they try for the senate races, but otherwise they focus their money on more winnable races.

And thanks to people like the Koch brothers, they have a lot more money to burn.

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jaunte  Nov 6, 2016 • 8:40:58am
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BigPapa  Nov 6, 2016 • 8:41:18am

Conway said they see 6 different paths to 270. A few more bloody marys and they’ll see 12.

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Anymouse  Nov 6, 2016 • 8:42:15am

re: #358 MsJ

And they then lose their farms for inability to pay bills because farming doesn’t work that way. They wouldn’t just be cutting off their noses they’d be slicing off their entire faces.

You don’t understand. Because conservatives have had the only message here for so long, there are many here who view this as an actual war.

War requires sacrifice, and I doubt Chase Manhattan is going to come here with an army to take someone’s farm who is armed.

Briefcase versus shotgun? Only one police officer in the whole county, but several hundred farmers? And this is only one county. There are ninety-three in this state, and this is only one state.

Throughout history, cities have only survived because surrounding farms support them. When the farms revolt or are taken in warfare, the cities starve. Do not think that because this is the XXI Century that somehow ignoring our needs out here in farm country is going to exempt you if rabble-rousing conservatives decide to run Civil War II.

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makeitstop  Nov 6, 2016 • 8:43:25am

re: #336 Anymouse

“Those people aren’t worth it, the are lesser than we folk on the coast.”

And you wonder why the GOP does so well here.

“More productive places” is not much different than a differing version of the Jim Crow I grew up in. We don’t matter. Thanks.

You’re obviously locked into a cycle of self-pity right now.

Go get some sleep.

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b_sharp  Nov 6, 2016 • 8:43:28am

re: #362 BigPapa

I am extremely disappointed in your life choices.

(looks sternly over glasses, rolls eyes)

Listen youngster, I’m full of wisdom. I have the best wisdom. Terrific wisdom.

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Anymouse  Nov 6, 2016 • 8:44:59am

re: #365 Ubiq

The idea that the GOP is running a fifty state strategy is fallacious. How much effort do they spend in New York? Illinois? California? Oregon? Hawaii? Maryland? Answer is the same: they try for the senate races, but otherwise they focus their money on more winnable races.

And thanks to people like the Koch brothers, they have a lot more money to burn.

Illinois has a Republican governor. Darrell Issa is a representative in California. Oregon just let the Talibanjo go without a sentence. Maryland has a Republican governor. Hawai’i is three thousand miles from the mainland.

Try again. You are ignoring what is right in front of you. The Republicans are in charge of more than two-thirds of the states.

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Decatur Deb  Nov 6, 2016 • 8:45:47am

re: #368 Anymouse

You don’t understand. Because conservatives have had the only message here for so long, there are many here who view this as an actual war.

War requires sacrifice, and I doubt Chase Manhattan is going to come here with an army to take someone’s farm who is armed.

Briefcase versus shotgun? Only one police officer in the whole county, but several hundred farmers? And this is only one county. There are ninety-three in this state, and this is only one state.

Throughout history, cities have only survived because surrounding farms support them. When the farms revolt or are taken in warfare, the cities starve. Do not think that because this is the XXI Century that somehow ignoring our needs out here in farm country is going to exempt you if rabble-rousing conservatives decide to run Civil War II.

The RWNJ CWII wet dream, if it happened, would be fought house-to-house, street-by street. States and regions are too macro. And that’s why it won’t happen.

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BigPapa  Nov 6, 2016 • 8:46:03am

Polls always tighten right before an election.

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Unshaken Defiance  Nov 6, 2016 • 8:46:17am

Come Wednesday morning, we will get up at about the same time we would have, do all the same things we knew we had to do. Drive to work. Do the work. get home. Thursday looks like Wednesday. And so on. It’s easy to get all caught up and say this or that. Our day to day prevails over and above all things DC beltway.

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Anymouse  Nov 6, 2016 • 8:47:27am

re: #369 makeitstop

You’re obviously locked into a cycle of self-pity right now.

Go get some sleep.

Gee, even one Democratic newspaper advert in any state paper would have been nice in this election cycle.

The GOP made certain to take out weekly adverts in every paper. Dems? none. Not self-pity; wondering why I belong to a party that doesn’t care to campaign for every vote.

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Anymouse  Nov 6, 2016 • 8:48:09am

re: #372 Decatur Deb

The RWNJ CWII wet dream, if it happened, would be fought house-to-house, street-by street. States and regions are too macro. And that’s why it won’t happen.

Are you going to send the Army to force farmers to plant crops?

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Jenner7  Nov 6, 2016 • 8:49:51am

It’s going to be interesting what Ted Nugent has to say at Trump’s rally. Woo boy.

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Decatur Deb  Nov 6, 2016 • 8:50:34am

re: #376 Anymouse

Are you going to send the Army to force farmers to plant crops?

Why do they plant them now, because they love the artists in SOHO?

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Nov 6, 2016 • 8:51:25am

re: #360 Anymouse

You know what? They don’t care. They hate Democrats that much, because Democrats do nothing for them.

Well, then sorry, but fuck them sideways!

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Alyosha  Nov 6, 2016 • 8:52:22am

re: #368 Anymouse

You don’t understand. Because conservatives have had the only message here for so long, there are many here who view this as an actual war.

War requires sacrifice, and I doubt Chase Manhattan is going to come here with an army to take someone’s farm who is armed.

Briefcase versus shotgun? Only one police officer in the whole county, but several hundred farmers? And this is only one county. There are ninety-three in this state, and this is only one state.

Throughout history, cities have only survived because surrounding farms support them. When the farms revolt or are taken in warfare, the cities starve. Do not think that because this is the XXI Century that somehow ignoring our needs out here in farm country is going to exempt you if rabble-rousing conservatives decide to run Civil War II.

You hold what states you can and try to make inroads wherever opportunity strikes. Texas is turning. It won’t be long till the troops get to Nebraska. If it’s a question of logistics, NE isn’t a priority right now. If things work out, it will be one day.
Hold the fort. Do what you can to make more Democrats. If that’s not possible, you can see why committing extra resources to a pointless battle, when progressive politics is being hard-fought nearer the coasts, is pragmatically unsound.
It’s not that the Democrats don’t care. At all.

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makeitstop  Nov 6, 2016 • 8:52:34am

re: #375 Anymouse

Gee, even one Democratic newspaper advert in any state paper would have been nice in this election cycle.

The GOP made certain to take out weekly adverts in every paper. Dems? none. Not self-pity; wondering why I belong to a party that doesn’t care to campaign for every vote.

We hang out here every day and ridicule Trump’s campaign for going into states that he has very little chance of winning. The consensus is it’s money and time wasted, that cold be better spent in states where the needle can be moved. See Arizona and Texas.

How would the Clinton campaign running ads in a solid Republican state be any less stupid? You gotta spend the money where’ you’re going to get some return for it.

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sagehen  Nov 6, 2016 • 8:53:27am

re: #263 Anymouse

The message that comes across here? Democrats don’t care about us. Every other message does not matter if that is the principal message voters see.

You’ve just explained why Black people vote 90%+ D.

Fact is, some 30% of black voters lean conservative on foreign policy, national security, small business regulation, violent crime, education, the churchy stuff… but none of those issues are reason enough to vote for the party that doesn’t want them to vote and doesn’t mind if the cops shoot them for no good reason.

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Targetpractice  Nov 6, 2016 • 8:53:32am

re: #357 Anymouse

Exactly. The Democrats are concentrating on the states they already hold, and are uninterested in moving the needle anywhere else.

The mid-continent states used to be all Democratic strongholds. They are no longer. Look at Kansas and Gov. Sam Brownback,

His policies have destroyed the economy of that state. What has the Democratic Party done to capitalise on that? Zip. Nothing. The party literally does not care about it.

Kansas should be a simple pick up. The Democrats are spending no time there.

And you know what? Voters notice that. Kansas will never have a Democratic governor again in my lifetime, because despite the economic destruction wrought by the GOP, the GOP makes the effort in Kansas to appeal to the voters. The Democrats? Bupkis.

Here? The state governor recently campaigned for Mr. Trump here in the Panhandle. No governor has come to the Panhandle in decades.

No Democratic state legislator bothered to come out here. None.

What the hell am I supposed to do? Even my county party won’t talk to me (the chair is eighty-eight and has cancer, the vice-chair is eighty-seven). We had a person who recently moved here from New York City, trying to inspire the state and national parties and became our county party treasurer, and they ignored him too.

After three years, he left the Democrats. He is now an independent.

No offense, but the Heartland used to be the realm of Democrats just as the “coastal elites” used to all be Republicans. The realignment started in ‘64 and continued through the 80’s, when St. Ron managed to fool shitloads of “Real Americans” that the party of the very fat cats that were buying out their farms for Big Agra, transferring union jobs overseas, and selling everything that wasn’t nailed down really cared about them because they were “Real ‘Merikans.”

Shit, look at it this way: Before 2008, Virginia hadn’t gone blue since LBJ was on the ticket. Now it’s gone blue in the last two elections and is set to go blue a third time. Why? Because Republicans gave up winning cities and coasted on rural voters and military voters in Hampton Roads (since the GOP always promised increased defense spending). But between city growth and demographic changes, the state has turned more and more purple so now loons like Ken Cucinelli who might have carried the state easily can’t win against bags of sand like Terry McAuliffe.

No offense, but calling us “coastal elites” and saying that the DNC doesn’t care about ya’ll is rather insulting. That’s the same sort of shit Democrats said for years here in VA, that the DNC didn’t care about the South, wasn’t working to win their votes, and there wasn’t any point in running a Democrat because they couldn’t rely upon the national party for support. I am by no means an “elite” and I hear plenty of slack-jawed morons walking around every day calling her “Killary” and swearing they’ll defect to Canada if she wins Tuesday. Guess what, I have to share a state with these assholes, knowing they’re all going to go ballistic in three days. I feel your pain, but I can do without the bullshit.

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Anymouse  Nov 6, 2016 • 8:54:31am

re: #378 Decatur Deb

Why do they plant them now, because they love the artists in SOHO?

Farmers do not need Soho nor could care less about it. They’ll sell Soho food, but just because liberals have values they won’t subvert (shopping at Chik-fil-A for example) doesn’t mean conservative don’t have values either.

I gather than you really think that our votes and our needs here in farm country don’t matter? Democrats need not focus on farm country because we are not necessary?

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Anymouse  Nov 6, 2016 • 8:55:57am

re: #380 Alyosha

You hold what states you can and try to make inroads wherever opportunity strikes. Texas is turning. It won’t be long till the troops get to Nebraska. If it’s a question of logistics, NE isn’t a priority right now. If things work out, it will be one day.
Hold the fort. Do what you can to make more Democrats. If that’s not possible, you can see why committing extra resources to a pointless battle, when progressive politics is being hard-fought nearer the coasts, is pragmatically unsound.
It’s not that the Democrats don’t care. At all.

They don’t care. They won’t even talk to their elected officials. Why should voters bother with Democrats?

Give me something to sell to the voters here; the party isn’t bothering.

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Decatur Deb  Nov 6, 2016 • 8:56:02am

The major economic activity in this region is peanuts, soybeans, cotton, and Medicare.
Nebraska and Alaska will be blue long before our state. That’s why I turn my Democrat back on the Alabama Democratic Party in presidential years, and why I’m trying to arrange my 9th trip to help those damned coastal Democrats in FL.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 6, 2016 • 8:57:59am

re: #383 Targetpractice

No offense, but the Heartland used to be the realm of Democrats just as the “coastal elites” used to all be Republicans. The realignment started in ‘64 and continued through the 80’s, when St. Ron managed to fool shitloads of “Real Americans” that the party of the very fat cats that were buying out their farms for Big Agra, transferring union jobs overseas, and selling everything that wasn’t nailed down really cared about them because they were “Real ‘Merikans.”

Shit, look at it this way: Before 2008, Virginia hadn’t gone blue since LBJ was on the ticket. Now it’s gone blue in the last two elections and is set to go blue a third time. Why? Because Republicans gave up winning cities and coasted on rural voters and military voters in Hampton Roads (since the GOP always promised increased defense spending). But between city growth and demographic changes, the state has turned more and more purple so now loons like Ken Cucinelli who might have carried the state easily can’t win against bags of sand like Terry McAuliffe.

No offense, but calling us “coastal elites” and saying that the DNC doesn’t care about ya’ll is rather insulting. That’s the same sort of shit Democrats said for years here in VA, that the DNC didn’t care about the South, wasn’t working to win their votes, and there wasn’t any point in running a Democrat because they couldn’t rely upon the national party for support. I am by no means an “elite” and I hear plenty of slack-jawed morons walking around every day calling her “Killary” and swearing they’ll defect to Canada if she wins Tuesday. Guess what, I have to share a state with these assholes, knowing they’re all going to go ballistic in three days. I feel your pain, but I can do without the bullshit.

They’v lost Va because instead of embracing the changes that have made ou state a great place to live, they went nativist.

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makeitstop  Nov 6, 2016 • 8:58:27am

Somebody needs a nap. SMDH.

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Dr Lizardo  Nov 6, 2016 • 8:59:09am

re: #363 MsJ

I’m so tweeting that.

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Thanks!

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Anymouse  Nov 6, 2016 • 8:59:26am

Well, as I said above but mean now, I am off to bed.

It was definitely a sorry day that I had to turn in a ballot that only had a vote for Hillary Clinton and Tim Kaine because every other seat and every other person running was for the Fascist Party.

Yeah, Democrats really don’t care about us, even those of us who are Democrats.

G’night y’all.

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The Vicious Babushka  Nov 6, 2016 • 9:00:28am

re: #375 Anymouse

You are getting on my last nerve. You are riding that hobby horse like Ziggy Tardis.

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Alyosha  Nov 6, 2016 • 9:01:33am

re: #385 Anymouse

They don’t care. They won’t even talk to their elected officials. Why should voters bother with Democrats?

Give me something to sell to the voters here; the party isn’t bothering.

They do care, it’s just not feasible right now. You are an oddity, a miraculous personage. You don’t think for a moment that the DNC wouldn’t give a million DWS’s for a blue Nebraska?
You’re a military man. It’s a logistics issue. There are too few friendlies to fight a ground war in Russia right now. That’s the bottom line.
They need more Anymouses!

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 6, 2016 • 9:01:40am

re: #360 Anymouse

You know what? They don’t care. They hate Democrats that much, because Democrats do nothing for them.

What would they like Democrats to do for them, that doesn’t directly contradict the principles of the Democratic Party?

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Sherlock Hound  Nov 6, 2016 • 9:02:00am

re: #376 Anymouse

Are you going to send the Army to force farmers to plant crops?

Someone may do just that. With a signature. The war would be economic. In the end, the farmlands may be taken over by the Kochs. They’ve dealt with Stalin in their time, and dealing with city liberals is no big deal.

I updinged you on your initial comments on rural life because they were on point. Now, you sound too much like the Threepers and 2nd Amendment folks.

If things get THAT bad, we will ALL be in the shit. ALL of us. Everyone. I take it for granted that this disabled man in the (virtually inner) city will be screwed good. After all, I live on SSDI and take SNAP.

You won’t be able to sit idly by. You’ll be screwed, too. I think that should scare you. I think it does, in fact.

This isn’t new. The farms and the cities have always had a cold conflict over the 240 years of our history. There are winners and losers.

Here’s a hint: Neither of us are on the winning side.

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sagehen  Nov 6, 2016 • 9:02:37am

re: #301 b_sharp

Well, I bought a vehicle yesterday to replace the Subaru that was totaled. It’s a 2010 Jeep Patriot.

I like the vehicle, but I hate the name. I think I need to change the name to something else.

The Patriot? Call it Hamilton.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Nov 6, 2016 • 9:02:53am

Well, it’s official—according to the replies to this tweet:

Austyn Crites was a paid Clinton operative, mentioned as such in WikiLeaks, who rushed the stage and tried to grab either a cop’s or a SS agent’s gun to assassinate Trump. This is now gospel. I guess that’s why he was released in 5 minutes….

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dangerman  Nov 6, 2016 • 9:03:59am

re: #375 Anymouse

Gee, even one Democratic newspaper advert in any state paper would have been nice in this election cycle.

The GOP made certain to take out weekly adverts in every paper. Dems? none. Not self-pity; wondering why I belong to a party that doesn’t care to campaign for every vote.

ok grass can wait 5 more minutes

like it or not, in 2016 in the usa, politics is an economic game
limited resources
budgets that require decisions and choices
return on investment - measured in various ways, but generally votes.
and differing perspectives on national, state, and local markets and priorities

thats the model.

where you live, the choice is if you feel your market isnt being serviced, its your responsiblity to keep asking for attention. not only here at lgf. up the ladder of the party mechanism. (and yes, im sure you have. you have to keep at it)

you’re not going to knock on doors, phone bank, do mailings, or self-fund any significant advertising or knowledge campaign (wouldnt expect you to)

given where you live, your leverage is noise.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 6, 2016 • 9:05:00am

I’m puzzled about the claim that they’d rather sell their crops locally than “feed the people on the coasts”. It seems to me that the problem with that idea is that they already do that they sell as much of their crop locally as they can. Everyone local is already fed, so they’d be trying to sell into a glut.

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TedStriker  Nov 6, 2016 • 9:05:07am

re: #391 The Vicious Babushka

You are getting on my last nerve. You are riding that hobby horse like Ziggy Tardis.

I get Anymouse has passion and is frustrated, but they have to remember that, just like the GOP has done to great effect over the past three decades, it’s a very long game; the Democrats have do what they can, when they can, in a way that makes sense.

As a person whose state is blood red outside of Nashville (where I live), Memphis, and a few much smaller areas, I feel his pain, but I gotta look at the big picture and not get too depressed about the current situation, because that’s exactly what the GOP wants.

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MsJ  Nov 6, 2016 • 9:05:23am

re: #257 Anymouse

Veterans here will vote for Trump because the Democrats have entirely abandoned us.

I suspect I will be the only veteran in town that voted for Mrs. Clinton. The rest? Either they did not vote or they voted for Mr. Trump because he addressed us directly. It does not matter he lied; the Democrats did not respond to his lies so they stand as truth here. (I cannot cover my whole district to counter GOP lies.)

Abandoned vets how? By trying to increase just about everything vet related?

I’m calling bullshit on that.

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Decatur Deb  Nov 6, 2016 • 9:06:21am

re: #399 TedStriker

I get Anymouse has passion and is frustrated, but they have to remember that, just like the GOP has done to great effect over the past three decades, it’s a very long game; the Democrats hae do what they can, when they can, in a way that makes sense.

As a person whose state is blood red outside of Nashville (where I live), Memphis, and a few much smaller areas, I feel his pain, but I gotta look at the big picture and do what I can, when I can, how I can.

Some indication that he’s a bit drunk. Perfectly understandable. One way or another I’m going to be drunk myself in a couple days.

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Targetpractice  Nov 6, 2016 • 9:06:24am

Cry me a fucking river, the DNC has pretty much given up on my district. There’s a Democrat on the ballot here, but it’s mainly for show, as there’s no question that Republicans will keep this district come Tuesday. In a state that’s gone purple in recent elections, my district is still deep red and probably will be until the heat death of the universe. And since there’s no Senate seat up this year, that means I’m voting Hillary/Kaine and the rest of the ticket is a wash. With perhaps the possible exception of the light rail referendum, which I couldn’t really give two shits about because I haven’t studied it closely.

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BeachDem  Nov 6, 2016 • 9:06:40am

re: #48 FormerDirtDart

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Donald Trump is a reality television performer—his whole fucking campaign is a “celebrity endorsement.”

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Anymouse  Nov 6, 2016 • 9:06:49am

re: #400 MsJ

Abandoned vets how? By trying to increase just about everything vet related?

I’m calling bullshit on that.

Please aim me at the last speech Mrs. Clinton gave that addressed vet issues, thanks.

I can find a bunch from Mr. Trump (even though they are BS).

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The Vicious Babushka  Nov 6, 2016 • 9:08:47am

Your Baby Whiplash WTF Moment of the Day==>

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HappyWarrior  Nov 6, 2016 • 9:09:49am

re: #405 The Vicious Babushka

Your Baby Whiplash WTF Moment of the Day==>

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What a maroon.

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The Vicious Babushka  Nov 6, 2016 • 9:12:42am
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Dr. Matt  Nov 6, 2016 • 9:13:40am

re: #400 MsJ

Abandoned vets how? By trying to increase just about everything vet related?

I’m calling bullshit on that.

Times 2.

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Donkey With No Name  Nov 6, 2016 • 9:14:17am

re: #404 Anymouse

Please aim me at the last speech Mrs. Clinton gave that addressed vet issues, thanks.

I can find a bunch from Mr. Trump (even though they are BS).

time.com (half+ down the page).

hillaryclinton.com

You know, really not that hard to find …

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Dr. Matt  Nov 6, 2016 • 9:14:57am

re: #405 The Vicious Babushka

Your Baby Whiplash WTF Moment of the Day==>

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Big Beautiful Door  Nov 6, 2016 • 9:17:46am

re: #399 TedStriker

I get Anymouse has passion and is frustrated, but they have to remember that, just like the GOP has done to great effect over the past three decades, it’s a very long game; the Democrats have do what they can, when they can, in a way that makes sense.

As a person whose state is blood red outside of Nashville (where I live), Memphis, and a few much smaller areas, I feel his pain, but I gotta look at the big picture and not get too depressed about the current situation, because that’s exactly what the GOP wants.

Yep. I am sitting here hoping that the Democrats can cling to the Kentucky House, the last barrier to Republican control of the state.

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Alyosha  Nov 6, 2016 • 9:17:48am

re: #405 The Vicious Babushka

Your Baby Whiplash WTF Moment of the Day==>

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So women should automatically have pay equity because their under-representation in the penal system constitutes a massive saving in the corrections budget. Right?

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HappyWarrior  Nov 6, 2016 • 9:18:54am

re: #412 Alyosha

So women should automatically have pay equity because their under-representation in the penal system constitutes a massive saving in the corrections budget. Right?

Forget it, it’s Shapirotown.

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Dr. Matt  Nov 6, 2016 • 9:19:24am
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HappyWarrior  Nov 6, 2016 • 9:20:38am

re: #414 Dr. Matt

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Slogan: It’s alive, it’s alive!

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The Vicious Babushka  Nov 6, 2016 • 9:23:22am

re: #400 MsJ

Abandoned vets how? By trying to increase just about everything vet related?

I’m calling bullshit on that.

Meanwhile GOP voted down every vets-related bill.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 6, 2016 • 9:23:38am

re: #411 Big Beautiful Door

Yep. I am sitting here hoping that the Democrats can cling to the Kentucky House, the last barrier to Republican control of the state.

No such luck in MS. This state is red to the bone wingnut central.

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The Vicious Babushka  Nov 6, 2016 • 9:24:30am
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Dr. Matt  Nov 6, 2016 • 9:25:42am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 6, 2016 • 9:25:53am

re: #418 The Vicious Babushka

Trump surrogates go into the final days of the campaign spinning stories about roving hit squads armed with lethal protest signs.

at this point they know that the stories will spread faster than the refutations or retractions, so they have nothing to lose…

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HappyWarrior  Nov 6, 2016 • 9:26:23am

re: #419 Dr. Matt

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They would know.

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Decatur Deb  Nov 6, 2016 • 9:26:42am

re: #418 The Vicious Babushka

Trump surrogates go into the final days of the campaign spinning stories about roving hit squads armed with lethal protest signs.

But those are enchanted protest signs, anointed with baby blood.

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MsJ  Nov 6, 2016 • 9:26:47am

re: #360 Anymouse

You know what? They don’t care. They hate Democrats that much, because Democrats do nothing for them.

Then my sympathy for them is non-existent. Food will come in from elsewhere. Global warming is making Canada farm central.

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Decatur Deb  Nov 6, 2016 • 9:28:27am

Lunch time, I think. BBL

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The Vicious Babushka  Nov 6, 2016 • 9:30:16am

re: #422 Decatur Deb

But those are enchanted protest signs, anointed with baby blood.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Nov 6, 2016 • 9:30:41am

re: #423 MsJ

Then my sympathy for them is non-existent. Food will come in from elsewhere. Global warming is making Canada farm central.

We can eat veggies from California where most of them come from, and berries from Vashon Island, WA (likewise) for dessert. We’ll all be healthier to boot.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 6, 2016 • 9:31:14am

Democrats might do well in Kansas if they abandoned everything that makes them Democrats, like Progressive ideas on taxation and social programs, reproductive rights for women, marriage equality, an end to race-based policing, etc.

But then who would we be?

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Semper Fi  Nov 6, 2016 • 9:32:05am

re: #265 ObserverArt

I would say the only reason the Republicans feed the smaller towns and the farm areas is because they need those votes. To say they care more is to say they care more for those votes.

But do they really care for the people’s lives more? Very doubtful.

I expect Republicans are thinking they get a lot of mileage from political maps showing R vs D states. They can say, “Look! most of the mid-America states are ‘red’”.

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The Vicious Babushka  Nov 6, 2016 • 9:32:22am
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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Nov 6, 2016 • 9:32:37am

re: #427 Blind Frog Belly White

Democrats might do well in Kansas if they abandoned everything that makes them Democrats, like Progressive ideas on taxation and social programs, reproductive rights for women, marriage equality, an end to race-based policing, etc.

But then who would we be?

The pre-1964 Democratic Party?

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weave  Nov 6, 2016 • 9:33:18am

Ah….

What’s going on here?

Did Obama just hear her say she was a citizen and not that she considers herself a citizen? Or was she referring to some other group and she *is* a citizen but worried about her family who may not be getting investigated if she votes?

A portion of this is cut off so I can’t tell. There’s context missing. She’s talking about people she considers citizens … but then she says if SHE votes. So it’s not necessarily one and the same.

Of course the right wing are freaking out over it — but if it is as it appears on the surface then it’s justified. Non citizens should not be voting and I can’t believe the President would advocate that for a second. But again, we aren’t hearing the entire conversation. He does say “you are a citizen yourself.”

Obama encourages illegal aliens to vote without fear of being deported.

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Unshaken Defiance  Nov 6, 2016 • 9:33:24am

It’s a flat out beautiful Sunday out there.

Mt Wilson Towercam with a little PS polish
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HappyWarrior  Nov 6, 2016 • 9:33:31am

re: #427 Blind Frog Belly White

Democrats might do well in Kansas if they abandoned everything that makes them Democrats, like Progressive ideas on taxation and social programs, reproductive rights for women, marriage equality, an end to race-based policing, etc.

But then who would we be?

That’s the thing. Do I wish we were more competitive everywhere? Sure but I want us to keep our values too. A lot of rural voters (not all) resent the Democratic Party for being pro LGBT, immigrant, choice, etc.

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Jay C  Nov 6, 2016 • 9:34:28am

re: #400 MsJ

re: #416 The Vicious Babushka

Sadly, the legislative reality of exactly which Party proposes and backs programs and policies to actually HELP veterans*, and which Party usually obstructs and negates said efforts is probably not going to have much effect on people’s attitudes in general. I think it’s a malignant holdover from the Vietnam War - given extended credence in the Reagan Era - that Republicans are the “patriotic” and “support the troops” Party, while Democrats are the Party of hippie peacenik sellout Disloyals. A cheap - and wildly inaccurate - stereotype to be sure, but sadly, and enduring one.

* helping actual people with their problems, that is: not just “defense spending”

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jeffreyw  Nov 6, 2016 • 9:36:01am

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Did somebody say it was time for lunch?

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 6, 2016 • 9:37:36am

re: #435 jeffreyw

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Did somebody say it was time for lunch?

Cubanos?

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 6, 2016 • 9:37:58am

re: #431 weave

Yeah my FB feed is full of this garbage this morning.

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The Vicious Babushka  Nov 6, 2016 • 9:38:35am
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MsJ  Nov 6, 2016 • 9:39:16am

re: #368 Anymouse

I guess they’ll get a hard lesson in capitalism.

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Bass Reeves  Nov 6, 2016 • 9:40:59am

re: #404 Anymouse

The reason Nebraska is red is not because the DNC isn’t catering to them, it’s because the people of Nebraska choose not to be Democrats. You are the only elected Dem in your village because *nobody else is running as a Dem*. That’s not the fault of the DNC, that’s the fault of your village. The only way to increase the strength of the party in Nebraska is to change the demographics, and us ‘coastal elites’ (fuck you very much btw) aren’t moving to Nebraska because we can’t just drop our lives to go fix your state. And because of the agricultural focus, I don’t think you’re going to see much change through urban sprawl, suburban uprisings, whatever. But the change your hoping for has to start at the bottom, and the national DNC isn’t going to waste their time reaching for what isn’t there.

Btw, literally the only reason I didn’t downding half your posts was because sometimes you just gotta get drunk and rant brother, especially you damned Squids. I’m never ever going to Nebraska, but if you wind up over here on the coast, I will cheerfully let you drink me under the table.

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danarchy  Nov 6, 2016 • 9:42:18am

re: #431 weave

Was that video recorded by Darth Vader?

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plansbandc  Nov 6, 2016 • 9:43:43am

re: #328 BigPapa

Kale is Satan.

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gwangung  Nov 6, 2016 • 9:44:51am

Pulled together something about some oddities in polling that are under-considered…

littlegreenfootballs.com….

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TedStriker  Nov 6, 2016 • 9:45:25am

re: #432 Rightwingconspirator

It’s a flat out beautiful Sunday out there.

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Taking over for Ojoe, I see…

/

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TedStriker  Nov 6, 2016 • 9:47:43am

re: #433 HappyWarrior

That’s the thing. Do I wish we were more competitive everywhere? Sure but I want us to keep our values too. A lot of rural voters (not all) resent the Democratic Party for being pro LGBT, immigrant, choice, etc.

Basically, while we can do what we can to convince Republicans to be more amenable to our side, it’s ultimately going to be demographic change that does the job.

Or, as some people have said, the GOP is going to change eventually, one RWNJ death at a time.

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Clearly a Country For Sick Old Haters  Nov 6, 2016 • 9:49:02am

re: #442 plansbandc

Kale is Satan.

It’s nutritious, and you can’t taste it in a smoothie.

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The Vicious Babushka  Nov 6, 2016 • 9:49:21am

Hitler in the Bunker already underway==>

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 6, 2016 • 9:49:45am

re: #439 MsJ

I guess they’ll get a hard lesson in capitalism.

I’ve been hearing crap like that for decades, that farmers are going to withhold their crops if they don’t get what they want. But the thing is, it’s not like farmers are GIVING anything. It’s not a charity, it’s a business transaction. They are as dependent on selling their crops for their livelihood as we are on buying them.

The other thing? There are maybe 4 Million people actually employed in farming. 4 Million, out of 300 Million Americans. Why should 1% of Americans dictate to the rest of us? Think you control the food? You might be surprised how quickly somebody else will take over your farm when your mortgage goes delinquent because you didn’t pay it, because you tried to blackmail the rest of us.

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Unshaken Defiance  Nov 6, 2016 • 9:49:51am
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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 6, 2016 • 9:51:12am

re: #442 plansbandc

Kale is Satan.

Kale is good shit, but not in Guacamole, or smoothies, or shit like that.

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jeffreyw  Nov 6, 2016 • 9:53:40am

re: #436 Blind Frog Belly White

Cubanos?

I’m sure the folks in Miami would quibble, but they are intended to be Cubanos. Pork tenderloin and ham, provolone in lieu of Swiss, pickles and yellow mustard. The bread is from a local market with an in house bakery.

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Jay C  Nov 6, 2016 • 9:53:58am

re: #328 BigPapa

When I saw the label “KALEAMOLE”, my first thought was:

“Wow! Some sort of new Hawaiian fruit??”

Then I realized what it was. My second thought was:

“Ewww….”

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jeffreyw  Nov 6, 2016 • 9:58:01am

Imgur


Fresh figs, picked just now and still with a bit of chill on them. It’s only 64 degrees out, finally a break from the lingering summer like temps lately.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 6, 2016 • 9:58:35am

re: #452 Jay C

When I saw the label “KALEAMOLE”, my first thought was:

“Wow! Some sort of new Hawaiian fruit??”

Then I realized what it was. My second thought was:

“Ewww….”

So, not KAL-mO-leh, but kah-LE-ah-MO-leh? I like it!

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ObserverArt  Nov 6, 2016 • 10:01:01am

Since 1868 there have been 7 Democrats and 30 Republicans voted for President in Nebraska.

The last Democrat…1964. Prior to that 1936 and 1932.

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plansbandc  Nov 6, 2016 • 10:01:48am

re: #446 No Country For Old Haters

Yes, very nutritious, but I can taste the bitterness in my smoothie. So power greens sans Kale.

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weave  Nov 6, 2016 • 10:01:53am

Found the entire unedited video. He clearly is talking about a CITIZEN voting and IF YOU HAVE A FAMILY MEMBER WHO IS UNDOCUMENTED it is important that you vote. He even emphasizes the word CITIZENS.

EXCLUSIVE: Gina Rodriguez Interviews President Obama - mitú

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Decatur Deb  Nov 6, 2016 • 10:03:34am

re: #444 TedStriker

Taking over for Ojoe, I see…

/

How goes it with the Post-modern Whigs?

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 6, 2016 • 10:04:25am

re: #451 jeffreyw

I’m sure the folks in Miami would quibble, but they are intended to be Cubanos. Pork tenderloin and ham, provolone in lieu of Swiss, pickles and yellow mustard. The bread is from a local market with an in house bakery.

There’s a Cuban restaurant nearby, which unfortunately I have only been able to get to once. They’re having staffing problems, so they may be closing soon. :-(

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b.d.  Nov 6, 2016 • 10:05:28am

Hillary lied about being under sniper fire!

Can you believe how brave Trump was during and right after the Reno assassination attempt!?

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scottslemmons  Nov 6, 2016 • 10:05:57am

Awright, I live in the most Republican-leaning county in Texas. There wasn’t a single Democratic local candidate on the ballot. No Libertarians, no Greens, all Republicans. I know for a fact that this county is going to go hard red — I wouldn’t be particularly surprised if there were fewer than a hundred votes for anyone but Trump.

I’m still not going to go insane with panic and self-pity.

Yes, there are legit crazy people who will take the election as an excuse to start what they think is going to be Civil War 2 when they can kill all the Democrats and brown people and girls who wear jeans and boys who listen to devil rock and librarians and people with glasses. They are also such a tiny minority. More than likely, the local sheriff already knows to keep an eye on them. And more than likely, the first house they turn up at, yelling, “Come on, fellow Constitutional Citizen, we’re gonna kill us some Mexicans!” is going to call the cops on them, because crazy violence is fun in the movies and not so much fun when it shows up at your door wanting you to come along to kill your kid’s second-grade teacher.

And I’m also not worried about heartland farmers refusing to plant crops. Because if you don’t do that, you lose your money, you lose your subsidies, you lose your equipment, you lose your car, you lose your ability to buy food, you lose your land.

Maybe they can just sell locally? Like fuck they can. The entire county has a population of 10,000 people. And most of them get their food from the local United Supermarket. How’s that even supposed to work for a local farmer? “Hey, Mr. Supermarket Manager, I’ve got five tons of wheat here. You want it?” “So sorry, Farmer Jones, my customers don’t want raw wheat, and our distributors ship us bread and flour and all that.”

So yeah, there are going to be some crazies running around. But it won’t be near every Trump voter, because there’s crazy and there’s suicidally crazy, and most crazies fall on the “No, wait, I want to live” side of the line.

I wish politics moved faster and that it were possible to turn a red state into a blue state quickly. But it ain’t so, and it won’t ever be so. Texas is going to be a red state for at least another 20 years. I can drive myself mad because it won’t change overnight, or I can accept that change is slow and go amuse myself with a handful of comics.

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weave  Nov 6, 2016 • 10:09:01am

re: #457 weave

Found the entire unedited video. He clearly is talking about a CITIZEN voting and IF YOU HAVE A FAMILY MEMBER WHO IS UNDOCUMENTED it is important that you vote. He even emphasizes the word CITIZENS.

[Embedded content]

… I *will* say I believe she tried to throw a fast one in on him. I had to listen to it a few times so it’s easy to see how he missed it, but she says … (emphasis mine)

Many of the millennial, dreamers, and undocumented citizens, and I call them citizens because they contribute to this country, are fearful of voting.

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makeitstop  Nov 6, 2016 • 10:09:53am

Spock and Bean have commandeered the magazine basket in our bathroom.

Basket of adorables
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The Vicious Babushka  Nov 6, 2016 • 10:10:05am

SMOTI is wetting his pants over the USC/LA Times “poll” that keeps track of the same 2,900 people since the beginning of the campaign.

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Clearly a Country For Sick Old Haters  Nov 6, 2016 • 10:11:15am

re: #456 plansbandc

Yes, very nutritious, but I can taste the bitterness in my smoothie. So power greens sans Kale.

I put a squirt of MiO in mine, so it’s never bitter.

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The Vicious Babushka  Nov 6, 2016 • 10:13:05am

re: #465 No Country For Old Haters

I put a squirt of MiO in mine, so it’s never bitter.

I used to enjoy “Sassy Gay Friend” skits about famous historic and literary women, until it became an advert for MiO, then I just stopped watching.

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makeitstop  Nov 6, 2016 • 10:13:16am

Annnnd one of my FB wingnuts is chirping that Anonymous has video of Bill Clinton raping a 12 year old girl.

The stink of desperation is getting thick among my wingnuts. But fuck ‘em, they can choke on it for all I care.

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Big Beautiful Door  Nov 6, 2016 • 10:15:05am

re: #464 The Vicious Babushka

SMOTI is wetting his pants over the USC/LA Times “poll” that keeps track of the same 2,900 people since the beginning of the campaign.

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Its the only national poll that gives Trump a clear lead; all the others are “rigged.”

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Mattand  Nov 6, 2016 • 10:15:35am

re: #467 makeitstop

Annnnd one of my FB wingnuts is chirping that Anonymous has video of Bill Clinton raping a 12 year old girl.

The stink of desperation is getting thick among my wingnuts. But fuck ‘em, they can choke on it for all I care.

That’s worthy of an unfriend. Apologies if it’s a close family member, but anyone who believes that, or is willing to further that kind of garbage, has got some problems.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 6, 2016 • 10:16:17am

re: #467 makeitstop

Annnnd one of my FB wingnuts is chirping that Anonymous has video of Bill Clinton raping a 12 year old girl.

The stink of desperation is getting thick among my wingnuts. But fuck ‘em, they can choke on it for all I care.

As I understand it, Michelle Obama can be heard in the background of this video talking about ‘Whitey’.
////

I saw that claim about the video a week ago. That means it’s bullshit. Nobody TELLS YOU that they have a video that will damage the opposing candidate if they actually HAVE a video that will damage the opposing candidate. They only tell you that if they have nothing.

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The Vicious Babushka  Nov 6, 2016 • 10:18:23am

re: #467 makeitstop

Annnnd one of my FB wingnuts is chirping that Anonymous has video of Bill Clinton raping a 12 year old girl.

The stink of desperation is getting thick among my wingnuts. But fuck ‘em, they can choke on it for all I care.

I thought they reached peak desperation with the literal HURR HURR SHE’S A WITCH!!!!11!!! derpout.

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bratwurst  Nov 6, 2016 • 10:18:56am
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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 6, 2016 • 10:19:05am

Idiot Trumper on my FB showing me some bullshit map and trying to claim Trump is leading in 41 states!

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Mattand  Nov 6, 2016 • 10:19:14am

re: #470 Blind Frog Belly White

As I understand it, Michelle Obama can be heard in the background of this video talking about ‘Whitey’.
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I saw that claim about the video a week ago. That means it’s bullshit. Nobody TELLS YOU that they have a video that will damage the opposing candidate if they actually HAVE a video that will damage the opposing candidate. They only tell you that if they have nothing.

Yeah, that’s the classic “Villain who monologues” meme from Watchmen.

Don’t yammer on about your plan like a B-movie villain; just do it.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 6, 2016 • 10:20:37am

re: #464 The Vicious Babushka

SMOTI is wetting his pants over the USC/LA Times “poll” that keeps track of the same 2,900 people since the beginning of the campaign.

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There was a movie, back in the 1950s, I think, about a town that had been deemed to be THE MOST average town in America, and pollsters and marketers would secretly visit to find out what the residents thought of this or that, to gauge what America in general would think.

Then it leaked out to the town that this was going on, and once the residents became conscious of how powerful their opinions were, they very quickly became a completely UNreliable predictor of national opinion.

I wonder how much of that is going on with the USC/LAT poll?

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Jay C  Nov 6, 2016 • 10:21:02am

re: #464 The Vicious Babushka

SMOTI is wetting his pants over the USC/LA Times “poll” that keeps track of the same 2,900 people since the beginning of the campaign.

[Embedded content]

And when Trump loses bigly, he’ll probably be the first to point to this (badly-designed outlier of a ) poll as “proof” of “skewing”, “rigging” and/or “fraud”.

Buffoon.

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BeachDem  Nov 6, 2016 • 10:22:19am

re: #289 Decatur Deb

It took three tries to get a Dem rally in critical N. Florida. And we got Bill for an hour. it’s a big fuckn’ country.

The only reason we in SC ever even see a Dem candidate during the primary is because we’re an early primary state. My campaign kid had to have her car packed and be on the road within 12 hours of the primary ending, because that is the end of this state’s significance in the election.

I totally understand it, and in fact, admire the campaign for their strategic intelligence.

(Plus, having just spent two weeks in battleground NC, where the political ads every 10 seconds can make your eyes cross in a most unpleasant way, I’m kind of glad to be ignored.)

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Shiplord Kirel  Nov 6, 2016 • 10:22:31am

re: #467 makeitstop

Annnnd one of my FB wingnuts is chirping that Anonymous has video of Bill Clinton raping a 12 year old girl.

The stink of desperation is getting thick among my wingnuts. But fuck ‘em, they can choke on it for all I care.

Another reminder that the filth we see at places like Free Republic is only the sanitized fraction of the load. A case in point is this post from earlier today:

Needless to say, the linked video bears no resemblance to the garbage claimed. That didn’t keep freepers from eagerly gobbling it up, with denunciations of “filthy sodomites” and one learned exposition on the well known connections among witchcraft, human sacrifice, and incest. I guess they missed cannibalism, or maybe they just thought it was included with human sacrifice.

Even JimRob couldn’t stomach this apparently. This is what the same page looks like now:

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(((This is the end)))  Nov 6, 2016 • 10:22:43am

re: #475 Blind Frog Belly White

There was a movie, back in the 1950s, I think, about a town that had been deemed to be THE MOST average town in America, and pollsters and marketers would secretly visit to find out what the residents thought of this or that, to gauge what America in general would think.

Then it leaked out to the town that this was going on, and once the residents became conscious of how powerful their opinions were, they very quickly became a completely UNreliable predictor of national opinion.

I wonder how much of that is going on with the USC/LAT poll?

Quite probably a lot. I remember reading that this poll has so few African Americans, that one voting for Trump has a huge change in the results.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 6, 2016 • 10:27:03am

Currently on the Trump Campaign homepage:

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retired cynic  Nov 6, 2016 • 10:30:04am

I need Charlie Pierce seven days a week. The heck with his life!

esquire.com

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BeachDem  Nov 6, 2016 • 10:30:15am

re: #305 Nojay UK

And their Federal agricultural subsidy cheques and crop insurance payments will dry up. The state of Nebraska might make good those payments out of the general funds they get from the Federal government but I wouldn’t hold my breath.

In reality when President Clinton is sworn in they”ll plant their crops and grow food and sell it at a good profit to the “coastal elites” they despise while they cash the subsidy cheques the Democratic states like California and New York pay for and they’ll still mutter resentfully about being considered as living in “flyover states”.

Farming Subsidies from farms in Nebraska totaled $11,284,000,000 in from 1995-2014.

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stpaulbear  Nov 6, 2016 • 10:30:42am

re: #357 Anymouse

What the hell am I supposed to do? Even my county party won’t talk to me (the chair is eighty-eight and has cancer, the vice-chair is eighty-seven). We had a person who recently moved here from New York City, trying to inspire the state and national parties and became our county party treasurer, and they ignored him too.

You basically just answered your own question about why outsiders don’t come in and help. The NYC transplant tried to come in and help, but the local democrats wouldn’t be bothered.

Politics sucks where you live because that’s how people think. You moved there because it was cheap, and it’s cheap for a reason. People who want something better get the hell out.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Nov 6, 2016 • 10:31:06am

re: #480 Eclectic Cyborg

Currently on the Trump Campaign homepage:

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This is what they have to deal with:

They have to win every single one of the states I have marked as tossups—and they’ve already lost Nevada.

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Eventual Carrion  Nov 6, 2016 • 10:31:47am

re: #425 The Vicious Babushka

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I yelled “nuclear bomb” when a guy in line behind me farted. Does that make it a terrorist attack?

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dangerman  Nov 6, 2016 • 10:31:48am

re: #435 jeffreyw

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Did somebody say it was time for lunch?

i’ll definitely be over in 20

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Big Beautiful Door  Nov 6, 2016 • 10:32:14am

I know there has been a lot of bagging on Nate Silver here, but after reading this article he just posted, I can’t see the argument that Trump has a zero or nearly zero chance of winning. About one-chance-in-three seems about right to me, as discomfiting as that is.

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The Vicious Babushka  Nov 6, 2016 • 10:33:40am

re: #487 Big Beautiful Door

I know there has been a lot of bagging on Nate Silver here, but after reading this article he just posted, I can’t see the argument that Trump has a zero or nearly zero chance of winning. About one-chance-in-three seems about right to me, as discomfiting as that is.

Trump has a chance of winning that is not zero, but it’s not 1 in 3 either.

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Big Beautiful Door  Nov 6, 2016 • 10:34:06am

re: #482 BeachDem

Farming Subsidies from farms in Nebraska totaled $11,284,000,000 in from 1995-2014.

I assume you mean subsidies paid to farms in Nebraska?

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Nov 6, 2016 • 10:35:38am

re: #472 bratwurst

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seems to be to be part of the trump campaign’s general theory of “you old line republicans with your ‘experts’ and ‘data’ have lost the last two elections - why not try smelling your own farts and extracting facts out of your ass for a change didja ever think of that you boring old fogie losers huh? huh?”

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dangerman  Nov 6, 2016 • 10:35:47am

re: #451 jeffreyw

I’m sure the folks in Miami would quibble, but they are intended to be Cubanos. Pork tenderloin and ham, provolone in lieu of Swiss, pickles and yellow mustard. The bread is from a local market with an in house bakery.

cuban bread is a piece of cake to make.

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ObserverArt  Nov 6, 2016 • 10:37:08am

re: #477 BeachDem

The only reason we in SC ever even see a Dem candidate during the primary is because we’re an early primary state. My campaign kid had to have her car packed and be on the road within 12 hours of the primary ending, because that is the end of this state’s significance in the election.

I totally understand it, and in fact, admire the campaign for their strategic intelligence.

(Plus, having just spent two weeks in battleground NC, where the political ads every 10 seconds can make your eyes cross in a most unpleasant way, I’m kind of glad to be ignored.)

Good old Ohio is almost as bad. The last two weeks any local TV has political ad after political many times a Trump ad followed by a Clinton ad in every ad break. It’s freaking nuts.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 6, 2016 • 10:39:12am

re: #491 dangerman

cuban bread is a piece of cake to make.

I had been wanting a Cubano. But now I want cake.

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mmmirele  Nov 6, 2016 • 10:40:34am

Late Sunday morning, reading LGF in my car while waiting for the second service to end at the House of Mark Driscoll aka “The Trinity Church.” He’s got two bouncy houses, a kid sized Ferris wheel, a bubble machine and a sound system out front of the property. I’m hanging out to see if the promised baptisms are going to be held in the church or out front with the carnival. Oh yeah, the church is decorated for Christmas. Advent isn’t for three weeks. *rolls eyes*

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MsJ  Nov 6, 2016 • 10:40:52am

re: #463 makeitstop

Spock and Bean have commandeered the magazine basket in our bathroom.

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This is my Bean. So named because he looks like a little black bean.

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dangerman  Nov 6, 2016 • 10:43:02am

re: #488 The Vicious Babushka

Trump has a chance of winning that is not zero, but it’s not 1 in 3 either.

via electoral-vote.com charlie cook

said that Trump’s only path is to hold onto all the states Mitt Romney won in 2012, win Florida, Ohio, and Iowa, and then flip a couple of the “blue wall” states. He added that the chances of Clinton getting 330 electoral votes are higher than the chances of Trump getting 270, but the chances of the latter occurring are not zero anymore

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dangerman  Nov 6, 2016 • 10:43:25am

re: #493 Blind Frog Belly White

I had been wanting a Cubano. But now I want cake.

making cake is easy as pie

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 6, 2016 • 10:43:49am

re: #497 dangerman

making cake is easy as pie

Pie, I have.

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FormerDirtDart  Nov 6, 2016 • 10:44:50am
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The Vicious Babushka  Nov 6, 2016 • 10:45:01am
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jaunte  Nov 6, 2016 • 10:45:06am

re: #494 mmmirele

Last year I drove past one of the six(!) campuses of Second Baptist, a Houston megachurch. They have a big electronic sign out front to snag the interest of passers-by on I-10 west, and on that day it was scrolling the news that they would be displaying FAINTING GOATS that Sunday. Show business!
I should have gone back with a camera.

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Big Beautiful Door  Nov 6, 2016 • 10:46:02am

re: #496 dangerman

via electoral-vote.com charlie cook

Well Trump is leading in Iowa and Ohio, and if Florida is razor close again, dog help us, we may see lawsuits flying around.

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dangerman  Nov 6, 2016 • 10:46:42am

re: #498 Blind Frog Belly White

Pie, I have.

ah, then you’re in clover

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The Vicious Babushka  Nov 6, 2016 • 10:47:41am

re: #502 Big Beautiful Door

Well Trump is leading in Iowa and Ohio, and if Florida is razor close again, dog help us, we may see lawsuits flying around.

SMOTI got this directly from Bill Mitchell==>

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 6, 2016 • 10:49:15am

re: #281 Barefoot Grin

This reminds me of Backwoods Sleuth who has been a registered Republican (IIRC) in Kentucky because not in her lifetime will Democrats have any role in her local politics. But her personal politics are pretty clearly in line with the Ds. It sucks, I know.

Exactly.
All of our local elected offices here are determined during the Republican primary. November is just a formality.
I’m a registered Republican so that I can do what I can to keep at bay the Libertarians and related crazy people pretending to be Republicans.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 6, 2016 • 10:51:38am

re: #500 The Vicious Babushka

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I read the NYT article on the Waning Days. Dealing with him sounds like dealing with a toddler.

His aides outlined 15 bullet points for him to deliver during an Oct. 22 speech in Gettysburg, Pa., to focus voters on a new theme of cleaning up government, even as several women came forward to accuse him of groping them just as he had described in the recording.

But Mr. Trump grew frustrated with the instructions. By the time he was done revising the proposed speech, only about a half-dozen of the original suggestions remained. And over the firm objections of his top advisers, he insisted on using the occasion to issue a remarkable threat: that he would sue all of the women who had gone public with the accusations.

As the advisers begged him to reconsider — it would make him seem small, they warned, and undermine a pivotal speech — Mr. Trump was adamant. There had to be a severe penalty for those who dared to attack him, he said. He could not just sit back and let these women “come at me,” he told one of them.

The idea that these folks are spending all their time trying to convince him not to do stuff that, time after time has killed him in the polls is just jawdropping. The idea that they think this would be a good temperament in a President is frightening.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 6, 2016 • 10:52:06am

re: #503 dangerman

ah, then you’re in clover

Now I want clover.
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Romantic Heretic  Nov 6, 2016 • 10:52:45am

re: #368 Anymouse

It goes both ways though.

Electric power is generally controlled from cities. The fertilizer and fuel needed to run farms comes from cities. Transport for spare parts and luxury items runs through cities.

Without these things the farmers will starve since they won’t have the means to switch to subsistence farming quickly.

If the ‘farmers’ want to cut off their noses to spite their faces they can do so. I don’t want to hear them complaining about their noseless faces though.

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dangerman  Nov 6, 2016 • 10:53:10am

re: #507 Blind Frog Belly White

Now I want clover.
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sorry….now i got nuthin….

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Decatur Deb  Nov 6, 2016 • 10:53:36am

re: #507 Blind Frog Belly White

Now I want clover.
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Youtube Video

Updated for better sound.

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Big Beautiful Door  Nov 6, 2016 • 10:54:08am

re: #504 The Vicious Babushka

SMOTI got this directly from Bill Mitchell==>

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I guess Bill Mitchell pulled those polls out of his ass, because they aren’t showing up at RCP or 538.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 6, 2016 • 10:54:45am

re: #509 dangerman

sorry….now i got nuthin….

O-O-O-OH, I got plenty o’ nuttin!
And nuttin’s plenty fo’ me!

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 6, 2016 • 10:55:47am

re: #511 Big Beautiful Door

I guess Bill Mitchell pulled those polls out of his ass, because they aren’t showing up at RCP or 538.

The two polls I saw from Ohio today had Trump +1 or Clinton +1.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 6, 2016 • 10:56:14am

If Ohio manages to hand Trump the Presidency…

This isn’t over folks.

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Big Beautiful Door  Nov 6, 2016 • 10:57:40am

re: #514 Eclectic Cyborg

If Ohio manages to hand Trump the Presidency…

This isn’t over folks.

I’m hoping the good folks of Cleveland realize that they need to turn out for Hillary like they did for Obama.

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KGxvi  Nov 6, 2016 • 10:58:15am

In re: the faithlessness elector issue. Technically you have no right to vote for president, so there is likely no federal question that would give jurisdiction to a federal district court. How electors are chosen are entirely up to the state legislature - if the legislature passed a bill and the governor signed it that revoked the election of electors, there’s nothing you could do other than vote your legislators out of office. If there is a state law regarding faithless electors, it probably involves criminal rather than civil liability.

The last faithless elector was in 2000 when a DC elector abstained rather than vote for Gore to protest DC’s lack of representation in Congress. There was an elector from Minnesota in 2004 that apparently accidentally reversed his votes for president and Vice President (same thing intentionally happened in 1988 with a West Virginia elector). The last true faithless elector we had was in 1976 when a Ford elector voted for Reagan. Usually, faithless electors have no real impact on the election.

I’d also suggest that faithless electors could serve as a final check against an unqualified or (legally) incompetent president. Imagine, for example that a presidential nominee hasn’t a stroke after Election Day and the VP nominee dies of a heart attack. Or alternatively a nominee is convicted of a felony (highly unlikely but slightly possible)

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Shiplord Kirel  Nov 6, 2016 • 10:58:48am

FRAUD!

Evil Dems busing in hippies, pets to vote; shades of the supernatural too.

link, including phone numbers

518
Pawn of the Oppressor  Nov 6, 2016 • 10:59:05am

re: #438 The Vicious Babushka

LIE-BURLS COLLUDING TO RIG THE NARRITUV!!!1

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 6, 2016 • 10:59:57am

Trump needs Ohio to win. Clinton doesn’t. Clinton can win big with only states where she leads. Trump needs to win states where Clinton leads.

520
KGxvi  Nov 6, 2016 • 11:00:01am

re: #475 Blind Frog Belly White

There was a movie, back in the 1950s, I think, about a town that had been deemed to be THE MOST average town in America, and pollsters and marketers would secretly visit to find out what the residents thought of this or that, to gauge what America in general would think.

Then it leaked out to the town that this was going on, and once the residents became conscious of how powerful their opinions were, they very quickly became a completely UNreliable predictor of national opinion.

I wonder how much of that is going on with the USC/LAT poll?

I’m guessing this is where “how will it play in Pacomia?” came from?

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FormerDirtDart  Nov 6, 2016 • 11:00:24am
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KGxvi  Nov 6, 2016 • 11:01:57am

re: #521 FormerDirtDart

Pathological liar is pathological

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BeachDem  Nov 6, 2016 • 11:03:36am

re: #472 bratwurst

[Embedded content]

They can feel it in the air, eh? To the Trumpsters I say:

Well if you told me you were drowning,
I would not lend a hand
I’ve seen your face before my friend,
but I don’t know if you know who I am
Well I was there and I saw what you did,
I saw it with my own two eyes
So you can wipe off that grin,
I know where you’ve been
It’s all been a pack of lies

Phil Collins - In The Air Tonight (Official Music Video)

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 6, 2016 • 11:04:52am

re: #522 KGxvi

Pathological liar is pathological

There was an article the other day from Daniel Dale’s paper, describing all of Trump’s lies. They said one of the more surprising things is how much he lies about things that make no difference. I think that’s pretty much diagnostic.

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plansbandc  Nov 6, 2016 • 11:07:23am

re: #495 MsJ

A lovely wiener! Most excellent!

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Belafon  Nov 6, 2016 • 11:09:32am

re: #438 The Vicious Babushka

I may have to donate to snopes, if they take them.

527
Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 6, 2016 • 11:13:03am

re: #411 Big Beautiful Door

Yep. I am sitting here hoping that the Democrats can cling to the Kentucky House, the last barrier to Republican control of the state.

Me, too!
Fortunately, I have Rocky Adkins on my ballot on Tuesday and it’s looking good for him to hold that seat.

528
ObserverArt  Nov 6, 2016 • 11:24:11am

re: #515 Big Beautiful Door

I’m hoping the good folks of Cleveland realize that they need to turn out for Hillary like they did for Obama.

Cleveland yeah…but don’t forget Columbus. We are the largest city in Ohio…you may not realize that. Columbus went for Obama too.

And then there is Cincinnati. All three metro areas are the key and all are somewhat similar in size with Columbus growing and Cleveland losing.

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Mattand  Nov 6, 2016 • 11:38:04am

re: #485 Eventual Carrion

I yelled “nuclear bomb” when a guy in line behind me farted. Does that make it a terrorist attack?

Yes.

530
Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 6, 2016 • 1:02:38pm

re: #517 Shiplord Kirel

FRAUD!

Evil Dems busing in hippies, pets to vote; shades of the supernatural too.

>

People too lazy to own a car in America should not be allowed the luxury of voting…

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The Madness of King Orange (aka Sophist)  Nov 6, 2016 • 7:55:21pm

re: #384 Anymouse

Farmers do not need Soho nor could care less about it. They’ll sell Soho food, but just because liberals have values they won’t subvert (shopping at Chik-fil-A for example) doesn’t mean conservative don’t have values either.

I gather than you really think that our votes and our needs here in farm country don’t matter? Democrats need not focus on farm country because we are not necessary?

Fuck. You.


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