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Edge of a dream AKA Cankles Mccellulite  Nov 9, 2016 • 7:13:56am

Kill me.

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Franklin  Nov 9, 2016 • 7:17:46am

Repost of sorts from downstairs, Hassan (D-NH) hold a razor thin edge over incumbent Kelly Ayotte. This would make 48 seats for the Democrats in the Senate.

nytimes.com

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baileylamb  Nov 9, 2016 • 7:17:57am

Sigh

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TedStriker  Nov 9, 2016 • 7:19:14am

re: #2 Franklin

Repost of sorts from downstairs, Hassan (D-NH) hold a razor thin edge over incumbent Kelly Ayotte. This would make 48 seats for the Democrats in the Senate.

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nytimes.com

Not like it’s gonna matter much now, with the filibuster guaranteed to be a thing of the past come January.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 9, 2016 • 7:19:43am

I just can’t

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freetoken  Nov 9, 2016 • 7:20:21am

After all the election was about, you’d think the Obama haters would give up on him.

But no, I check online stories this morning about the election, and sure enough if any article mentions Obama then the haters come out.

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Franklin  Nov 9, 2016 • 7:22:24am

re: #4 TedStriker

Not like it’s gonna matter much now, with the filibuster guaranteed to be a thing of the past come January.

True. But when Class 1 is up for election in 2018 and we are defending 23 D’s and 2 I’s against their 8 seats, it’ll be nice to have one more in hand.

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freetoken  Nov 9, 2016 • 7:23:02am

re: #4 TedStriker

Not like it’s gonna matter much now, with the filibuster guaranteed to be a thing of the past come January.

The Democrats in the Senate, when they were in power those few years early in Obama’s first term, instituted their own changes that allow some nominations to go forward with a simple majority.

Regarding filibustering: The problem will be that the House Republicans will hold the Senate to reconciliation arrangements, and that will help them too get around some Senate rules.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 9, 2016 • 7:23:13am

re: #5 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I just can’t

No. Me neither.

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SanFranciscoZionist  Nov 9, 2016 • 7:23:42am

I’m not sticking around, guys, but just wanted to come by and tell everyone I hope you’re all well.

Still a bit dazed, and no, I will not be watching the Hillary concession video until I’m feeling a lot stronger.

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Edge of a dream AKA Cankles Mccellulite  Nov 9, 2016 • 7:24:17am

re: #10 SanFranciscoZionist

I’m not sticking around, guys, but just wanted to come by and tell everyone I hope you’re all well.

Still a bit dazed, and no, I will not be watching the Hillary concession video until I’m feeling a lot stronger.

I can’t watch it.

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William Lewis  Nov 9, 2016 • 7:24:32am

re: #10 SanFranciscoZionist

I’m not sticking around, guys, but just wanted to come by and tell everyone I hope you’re all well.

Still a bit dazed, and no, I will not be watching the Hillary concession video until I’m feeling a lot stronger.

May the good one bless you and keep you SFZ. I’ve missed you greatly.

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TedStriker  Nov 9, 2016 • 7:24:34am

re: #6 freetoken

After all the election was about, you’d think the Obama haters would give up on him.

But no, I check online stories this morning about the election, and sure enough if any article mentions Obama then the haters come out.

A good chunk of the American electorate just voted to execute the Obama legacy, cremate it, scatter the ashes, and salt the earth for good measure.

The best we can hope to do at this point is for Trump and the GOP to overstep their bounds in the next two years so badly, the Democrats have any shot at taking the House and/or the Senate back.

And, even that is no guarantee.

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TedStriker  Nov 9, 2016 • 7:25:12am

re: #10 SanFranciscoZionist

I’m not sticking around, guys, but just wanted to come by and tell everyone I hope you’re all well.

Still a bit dazed, and no, I will not be watching the Hillary concession video until I’m feeling a lot stronger.

(((SFZ)))

LTNS!

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Stanley Sea  Nov 9, 2016 • 7:25:15am

re: #10 SanFranciscoZionist

Hi, thanks for stopping in. Hope you are well.

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S'latch  Nov 9, 2016 • 7:26:17am

I can’t watch this. I won’t watch this. I hope it is short and gracious and fair. But, I can’t handle it.

If someone can tell me that she really takes responsibility for this total failure, and states an apology to the American people for losing what she was charged with the awesome responsibility to win, then I will accept it.

I am feeling a great deal of anger at Hillary Clinton right now. I would be happy to discuss it with anyone who wants to do that rationally. I restate my earlier promise to say nothing negative. But the truth is the truth. She did not do her job correctly. Her campaign didn’t. She is responsible. She should have defeated Donald Trump. I really need an explanation for what happened.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 9, 2016 • 7:26:36am

re: #13 TedStriker

asure.

The best we can hope to do at this point is for Trump and the GOP to overstep their bounds in the next two years so badly, the Democrats have any shot at taking the House and/or the Senate back.

We have entered into an alternate media reality….DT and the GOP can screw up big time and they will nonetheless be praised, while scapegoats will be brought out to take the blame (immigrants, minorities and poor people for starters)

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lawhawk  Nov 9, 2016 • 7:26:57am
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Dave In Austin  Nov 9, 2016 • 7:27:47am

It’s started…. I have my local “online adversaries” here in Austin that I have been jousting with for years.

One asks: “Where will you get all your talking points now that CNN failed you? Try thinking for yourself for a change. The media has failed you.”

Me: (????)

Me: “We will be getting our talking points directly from Cheeto Jesus and his toady Rudy. What more is needed?”

One asks: (Silence)

Really?? As much as I hate this the shoe is now on the other foot now and the mob will need to defend what they have done. After 8 yrs on the attack, they have nothing.

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Stanley Sea  Nov 9, 2016 • 7:29:09am

Very sad when you talk to your 86 year old Aunt & she’s so happy she’s old.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 9, 2016 • 7:30:13am

re: #20 Stanley Sea

Very sad when you talk to your 86 year old Aunt & she’s so happy she’s old.

I have been an expat for nearly 27 years now…this is the first time that I have started to consider changing my nationality

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Edge of a dream AKA Cankles Mccellulite  Nov 9, 2016 • 7:30:17am

CNN? I don’t think I have watched them in years.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Nov 9, 2016 • 7:30:47am

re: #10 SanFranciscoZionist

Please stay here!

We need to lean on one another.

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BigPapa  Nov 9, 2016 • 7:31:23am

re: #10 SanFranciscoZionist

SFZ, nice. Why gone?

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S'latch  Nov 9, 2016 • 7:31:31am

re: #20 Stanley Sea

When I think of all the old white men who voted for Trump, I get outraged. What bastards for foisting this pile of shit on our children when they have the luxury of passing away before the very worst of the consequences become a reality.

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freetoken  Nov 9, 2016 • 7:31:57am

re: #16 S’latch

I’m not angry at Hillary.

I am perturbed at my fellow Americans for giving up on democracy and not voting.

It’s a soapbox of mine (if you’ve not read my many rambles here): voting is your duty, just like jury duty. Those are the two things our social contract (Constitution) asks of the citizens.

It’s not a very big burden.

So to not do it is downright offensive.

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William Lewis  Nov 9, 2016 • 7:32:47am

re: #21 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I have been an expat for nearly 27 years now…this is the first time that I have started to consider changing my nationality

I have often wondered if I shouldn’t have stayed in the green until my 20 and then taken my ETS in Germany. Today is the first day I’ve actually regretted not doing just that.

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Stanley Sea  Nov 9, 2016 • 7:33:22am

The Hockey Fan guy came by to shit on LGF? These people.

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S'latch  Nov 9, 2016 • 7:34:27am

re: #26 freetoken

I completely agree. But any political campaign has the responsibility for getting their voters out. Did this campaign let itself get sucker-punched by the polls that suggested they didn’t need to worry about turnout? I need to know. They need to know. We need to learn something.

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De Kolta Chair  Nov 9, 2016 • 7:34:38am
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freetoken  Nov 9, 2016 • 7:35:11am

re: #16 S’latch

Also, every politician wants to believe they are “it”, what the people want, what is needed.

So I’m sure HIllary really thought she was the one to be President.

I don’t fault her for that.

I do fault the Democratic leadership for being so cloistered and out of touch with the many people who don’t live in the large urban areas. But then again, how to truly reach these people and get them to buy into ideas of governance that is probably foreign to them (and to many, their religion) is a fundamentally hard problem to begin with.

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Interesting Times  Nov 9, 2016 • 7:35:24am

re: #28 Stanley Sea

The Hockey Fan guy came by to shit on LGF? These people.

That reminds me, Charles - please pre-emptively block some people:

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Charles Johnson  Nov 9, 2016 • 7:36:21am
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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 9, 2016 • 7:36:26am

re: #6 freetoken

After all the election was about, you’d think the Obama haters would give up on him.

But no, I check online stories this morning about the election, and sure enough if any article mentions Obama then the haters come out.

They are MASSIVELY emboldened right now, expect this for awhile.

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William Lewis  Nov 9, 2016 • 7:36:38am

re: #28 Stanley Sea

The Hockey Fan guy came by to shit on LGF? These people.

Ah, but SFZ showing up means we’re far to the positive side of this equation.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Nov 9, 2016 • 7:36:44am

:’(

There is a debate emerging on these pages (and elsewhere) as to whether the Democrats are in deep trouble.

Vox’s Matt Yglesias thinks they are. Not only, he notes, do Republicans now hold majorities in the US House and the Senate, but the GOP also now has unified control of 25 state legislatures, while Dems control only seven. More significantly, Republicans are using their power. They are going after unions, which have traditionally been a key organizing force for Democrats. And they are enacting stricter voting rules, which tend to disenfranchise those voters most likely to vote for Democrats.

Political scientist Phil Klinkner has disagreed, arguing that there is a natural, almost “thermostatic” ebb and flow to partisan fortunes in America. When one party controls the White House, public opinion naturally moves against that party. Put a Republican in the White House, he argues, and voters across the country will readjust to favor Democrats.

Who is right? It depends on whether you think American democracy operates primarily by balancing feedback loops (in which partisan electoral victories are always short-lived because they provoke an equal but opposite reaction) or primarily by reinforcing feedback loops (in which electoral victories translate into policy victories that can cement long-term advantages).

Almost certainly, it’s a little bit of both. But the timelines on which these loops operate vary. Reinforcing feedback loops are likely to prevail for the immediate future, possibly even for decades. Balancing feedback loops operate over much larger timescales.

Or, shorter version: Yglesias is probably right. Democrats likely are in deep trouble for the next few decades, barring any unexpected changes.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 9, 2016 • 7:36:51am

re: #33 Charles Johnson

And stick us with the bill when he’s done.

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BigPapa  Nov 9, 2016 • 7:37:10am

Hillary ran a great campaign and the current criticisms are based on any real evidence.

Low voter turnout allowed White America to say fuck it, I’ll stick with daddy even if he’s a douchebag.

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S'latch  Nov 9, 2016 • 7:37:26am

re: #31 freetoken

This is true. I accept this. But, it is what Hillary is saying?

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 9, 2016 • 7:38:04am

re: #35 William Lewis

Ah, but SFZ showing up means we’re far to the positive side of this equation.

Did DF make an appearance last night?

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Nov 9, 2016 • 7:38:28am
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freetoken  Nov 9, 2016 • 7:38:41am

re: #29 S’latch

All indications is that the Clinton campaign tried really hard with the GOTV.

But there appears to have been less vote there to “get out” than originally thought.

re: #38 BigPapa

Basically, yeah. 4 million (net)) Obama voters apparently bailed.

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DC_Run  Nov 9, 2016 • 7:38:57am

Lots of gloating in my office today. Lots volunteering to build the wall and help liberals pack. I’m barely keeping my misanthropic tendencies in check. I smile and say “I hope you get everything you deserve.” Luckily for the sake of my job, people seem to be hearing “I hope you get everything you want” based on their gushing replies about all the changes coming.

The odd thing is their desire to have Medicaid dismantled. Um, we depend on Medicaid functioning to keep our jobs. I’m high enough up the ladder that I’ll be okay, but if Medicare gets slashed, we will lose 40-50% of our residents and will have to cut direct care staff who are, almost to the person, really really happy about last night.

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TedStriker  Nov 9, 2016 • 7:38:59am

re: #16 S’latch

I can’t watch this. I won’t watch this. I hope it is short and gracious and fair. But, I can’t handle it.

If someone can tell me that she really takes responsibility for this total failure, and states an apology to the American people for losing what she was charged with the awesome responsibility to win, then I will accept it.

I am feeling a great deal of anger at Hillary Clinton right now. I would be happy to discuss it with anyone who wants to do that rationally. I restate my earlier promise to say nothing negative. But the truth is the truth. She did not do her job correctly. Her campaign didn’t. She is responsible. She should have defeated Donald Trump. I really need an explanation for what happened.

I’m not going to put all of the blame on Hillary and neither should you; she fought hard, but Trump had his side dialed right in. There are other things that were at play, including voter suppression tactics in NC and elsewhere and a Trump-friendly media, but, most of all, it came down to two very simple things: Republicans did what they’ve come to always do (which is to crawl through broken glass and burning coals to pull the lever for their candidates, not matter how bad said candidates are or if it’s against their own self-interests), while the Democrats, buoyed by the early voting figures and polls, just didn’t fucking show up, not even to the extent that they did for President Obama in 2012.

There’s a lot of blame to go around, but it’s not all Clinton’s fault.

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William Lewis  Nov 9, 2016 • 7:39:02am

re: #32 Interesting Times

That reminds me, Charles - please pre-emptively block some people:

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No, leave them to the same standards as always. If they haven’t crossed that line, let them be welcome and engage in the argument honorably. If they do cross over, Stinky can deal with them then. But we must remain better than our opponents - it is where resistance begins.

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Lidane  Nov 9, 2016 • 7:39:18am

I am heartbroken. I am angry. I’m thoroughly disgusted with everything. I’m afraid of my own country now, and what it means to be a minority here.

The best I can hope for is that the fascist, Cheeto-dusted human trash fire we just elected doesn’t destroy this country before he leaves office, but I’m not holding out hope. The last time we had a Republican POTUS, Republican Senate, and Republican House at the same time was in 1928. The Great Depression started a year later.

I’ve never been a believer, but I’m suddenly wishing that something existed to pray to.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 9, 2016 • 7:39:27am

re: #29 S’latch

I completely agree. But any political campaign has the responsibility for getting their voters out. Did this campaign let itself get sucker-punched by the polls that suggested they didn’t need to worry about turnout? I need to know. They need to know. We need to learn something.

Here’s the thing - they had the organization. They had the people canvassing, knocking on doors, calling voters, driving people to the polls. On the organizational front, they did everything Obama did to win in 2008 and 2012.

But everything we know was wrong. ALL the polls were wrong. Every single one.

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William Lewis  Nov 9, 2016 • 7:40:17am

re: #40 Eclectic Cyborg

Did DF make an appearance last night?

No, not yet. I’m debating if I should engage him at another site we both frequent.

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Edge of a dream AKA Cankles Mccellulite  Nov 9, 2016 • 7:40:22am

Lawsuit Charges Donald Trump with Raping a 13-Year-Old Girl

snopes.com

Epstein likes to tell people that he’s a loner, a man who’s never touched alcohol or drugs, and one whose nightlife is far from energetic. And yet if you talk to Donald Trump, a different Epstein emerges. “I’ve known Jeff for fifteen years. Terrific guy,” Trump booms from a speakerphone. “He’s a lot of fun to be with. It is even said that he likes beautiful women as much as I do, and many of them are on the younger side. No doubt about it — Jeffrey enjoys his social life.”
Epstein has been named in multiple similar lawsuits over the last several years, served 13 months in jail, and is registered as a sex offender for life:

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TedStriker  Nov 9, 2016 • 7:41:08am

re: #28 Stanley Sea

The Hockey Fan guy came by to shit on LGF? These people.

EdDantes, too, and I can’t imagine that D_F will be far behind, even though Duckworth beat his man Kirk (one of the few bright spots to cling to from last night).

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 9, 2016 • 7:41:50am

re: #27 William Lewis

I have often wondered if I shouldn’t have stayed in the green until my 20 and then taken my ETS in Germany. Today is the first day I’ve actually regretted not doing just that.

Until now, I was still proud enough of my country to want to actively identify with it…now I wonder if I can ever return.

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S'latch  Nov 9, 2016 • 7:41:52am

re: #47 Blind Frog Belly White

How is that possible? Were Trump voters hiding? Were they ashamed to admit what they were going to do and hiding from he pollsters or lying about it?

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wheat-dogg  Nov 9, 2016 • 7:41:54am

re: #21 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I have been an expat for nearly 27 years now…this is the first time that I have started to consider changing my nationality

I’ve only been an expat since 2008, and that was not really my intention. It just happened to be that long. Now I expect it will be longer. Changing my nationality, though, is not in the cards, at least while I stay in China.

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Edge of a dream AKA Cankles Mccellulite  Nov 9, 2016 • 7:42:44am

re: #28 Stanley Sea

The Hockey Fan guy came by to shit on LGF? These people.

I’m hoping he was sincere, but I doubt it.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 9, 2016 • 7:42:48am

re: #50 TedStriker

That and Arpaio getting his ass kicked.

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Dave In Austin  Nov 9, 2016 • 7:43:04am

Impeachment within 2 years so the establishment will have their Pence going into ‘20.

Discuss……

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Nov 9, 2016 • 7:43:43am

re: #56 Dave In Austin

Plausible.

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Dave In Austin  Nov 9, 2016 • 7:43:46am

re: #55 Eclectic Cyborg

That and Arpaio getting his ass kicked.

The one rose in the turd bucket.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 9, 2016 • 7:43:58am

re: #52 S’latch

How is that possible? Were Trump voters hiding? Were they ashamed to admit what they were going to do and hiding from he pollsters or lying about it?

That’s the big question. Many pollsters missed the 2012 election, but some didn’t. This year? Who the fuck knows. We’ll find out eventually. Maybe there’s more enthusiasm in anger than in fear.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 9, 2016 • 7:44:19am

I will let it be known now: I have a lot of friends and family in this country but I am not against moving back to Canada should circumstances warrant.

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Dr Lizardo  Nov 9, 2016 • 7:44:23am

re: #56 Dave In Austin

Impeachment within 2 years so the establishment will have their Pence going into ‘20.

Discuss……

A possibility, especially if that RICO trial starting on the 28th of this month goes against him.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 9, 2016 • 7:44:35am

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Anymouse  Nov 9, 2016 • 7:44:45am

re: #43 DC_Run

Lots of gloating in my office today. Lots volunteering to build the wall and help liberals pack. I’m barely keeping my misanthropic tendencies in check. I smile and say “I hope you get everything you deserve.” Luckily for the sake of my job, people seem to be hearing “I hope you get everything you want” based on there gushing replies about all the changes coming.

The odd thing is their desire to have Medicaid dismantled. Um, we depend on Medicaid functioning to keep our jobs. I’m high enough up the ladder that I’ll be okay, but if Medicare gets slashed, we will lose 40-50% of our residents and will have to cut direct care staff who are, almost to the person, really really happy about last night.

I just had a delivery driver from FedEx bring a package to my house. He stuck around long enough to gloat about running liberals out of the state.

I called the delivery company, I’m sure they’ll get right on that. (FedEx will only come up to this part of the hinterlands about twice a month, regardless of whether you paid for overnight delivery or not on a letter or package. When we were closing on our house here, the title company in Oklahoma was bellyaching at me for not returning our paperwork there - we told them not to use FedEx or UPS. It took a month to get paperwork sent by overnight.)

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Archangelus  Nov 9, 2016 • 7:45:37am

re: #11 Edge of a dream AKA Cankles Mccellulite

I can’t watch it.

Me neither. Refusing to hit the play button.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 9, 2016 • 7:46:13am

re: #53 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

I’ve only been an expat since 2008, and that was not really my intention. It just happened to be that long. Now I expect it will be longer. Changing my nationality, though, is not in the cards, at least while I stay in China.

I never thought in terms of staying here when I came to Germany in 1988, and in 1989 things started getting quite interesting so I decided to stick around. by 1998 I had a wife and daughter (followed by further kids) so now I am guess I am gonna stick around here for a while…

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Dr Lizardo  Nov 9, 2016 • 7:46:54am

re: #65 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I never thought in terms of staying here when I came to Germany in 1988, and in 1989 things started getting quite interesting so I decided to stick around. by 1998 I had a wife and daughter (followed by further kids) so now I am guess I am gonna stick around here for a while…

I seriously need to find a wife here. Better get cracking.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 9, 2016 • 7:46:56am

Has Obama made any statement yet?

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Charles Johnson  Nov 9, 2016 • 7:47:00am
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BigPapa  Nov 9, 2016 • 7:47:03am

Trump didn’t even think he’d won. He didn’t do anything right, quite the contrary. White America didn’t care.

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KGxvi  Nov 9, 2016 • 7:47:19am

re: #38 BigPapa

Hillary ran a great campaign and the current criticisms are based on any real evidence.

Low voter turnout allowed White America to say fuck it, I’ll stick with daddy even if he’s a douchebag.

Except low voter turn out is a sign that one did not run a good campaign. Both Trump and Clinton got fewer votes than McCain and Romney, they were both within shouting distance of John Kerry. She couldn’t hold three states that haven’t voted Republican for president since the 1980s.

She lost to arguably the worst major party nominee since the Civil War. That is not running a great campaign. That is pretty much the opposite of it.

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freetoken  Nov 9, 2016 • 7:47:30am

re: #52 S’latch

I’ve been repeating this often: The Republicans benefited from yes, a bit higher turnout in some rural areas, but in the end what cost Hillary was the net loss of 4 million voters.

She lost PA by a few thousand (probably, we’ll know when a recount is done) and WI likewise.

These were “Obama states”.

Since Hillary significantly underperformed in WI, compared to Obama. Trump did not overperform compared to Romney.

In PA the Republicans benefited by a bit higher than expected turnout in the rural counties. Whether or not if Hillary had campaigned there could have made a difference we will not know.

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goddamnedfrank  Nov 9, 2016 • 7:48:06am
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TedStriker  Nov 9, 2016 • 7:48:11am

re: #56 Dave In Austin

Impeachment within 2 years so the establishment will have their Pence going into ‘20.

Discuss……

Either way, it’s going to be Pence as the power behind the throne, since Trump has already said he’s going delegate everything that doesn’t involve stylin’-and-profilin’ to Pence, or Pence ends up on the throne.

May God help us all.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 9, 2016 • 7:49:53am

re: #55 Eclectic Cyborg

That and Arpaio getting his ass kicked.

That was one small ray of light for me until someone pointed out that Trump is now free to make Arpaio head of INS

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wheat-dogg  Nov 9, 2016 • 7:51:08am

Coming up on the witching hour here in China, so I’m going disappear for a while, lick my wounds, and hopefully feel less bummed out in the morning.

Watch out for gloaters.

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Edge of a dream AKA Cankles Mccellulite  Nov 9, 2016 • 7:51:10am

re: #73 TedStriker

Either way, it’s going to be Pence as the power behind the throne, since Trump has already said he’s going delegate everything that doesn’t involve stylin’-and-profilin’ to Pence, or Pence ends up on the throne.

May God help us all.

Didn’t pence want to force women who had Miscarriages perform a funeral for them?

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S'latch  Nov 9, 2016 • 7:51:17am

re: #44 TedStriker

Maybe I’m too quick to want to blame Hillary. That may be because I was for Bernie in the primary. I was happy to vote for Hillary in the general election, but I had nothing to do with her nomination, and she inspired me very little. She always struck me as cold and untrustworthy. I didn’t base that on what others were saying about her. I knew that e-mail stuff was bullshit. It’s just that I am a very intuitive person, and I listen to my gut, not always cold logical analysis. So, she didn’t appeal to my intuitive nature. I had negative things to say about her here during the primary, and I was attacked for saying those things. But, it was because I suspected she would lose because of her lack of appeal.

Maybe Bernie would have lost, too. We will never know. But, Bernie didn’t have so much of her baggage and he was inspirational. So, I have my suspicion, but that is all it is.

Now I can’t remember if there was someone else who could have won this for the Democrats. Maybe that bench was thin, too.

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Charles Johnson  Nov 9, 2016 • 7:51:24am
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baileylamb  Nov 9, 2016 • 7:51:41am

re: #68 Charles Johnson

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And some ppl will be happy with that because it’s a “shock” to the system.

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Myron Falwell (no relation)  Nov 9, 2016 • 7:51:45am

re: #2 Franklin

Repost of sorts from downstairs, Hassan (D-NH) hold a razor thin edge over incumbent Kelly Ayotte. This would make 48 seats for the Democrats in the Senate.

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nytimes.com

And the Ohio Democrat Party’s failure to find a worthy challenger to Rob Portman looms large.

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freetoken  Nov 9, 2016 • 7:52:26am

Mini-Drumpf precognitive abilities:

A Trump Business Partner Is the Philippines’ New U.S. Envoy

The timing of President Rodrigo Duterte of the Philippines couldn’t be better. Before Donald J. Trump’s election victory, the Philippine leader had already named Mr. Trump’s business partner in Manila as a special envoy to the United States.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 9, 2016 • 7:53:06am

What did Hillary in was not simply Conservatives who don’t like Liberals.

- It was the media who took it far too easy on her opponent in their unending quest for a horse race
- It was the irresponsiblity of men like James Comey, determined to stir up shit where there was none.
- It was naked sexism and misogyny
- it was the last name Clinton
- it was Jill Stein and Gary Johnson, who siphoned enough votes off to hand Trump the win in several key states.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 9, 2016 • 7:53:18am

re: #76 Edge of a dream AKA Cankles Mccellulite

Didn’t pence want to force women who had Miscarriages perform a funeral for them?

Yes, and have a death certificate filled out so that their private tragedy can be a matter of public record…

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 9, 2016 • 7:54:40am

I just realized Twitter might likely get WORSE now that Trump won.

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Anymouse  Nov 9, 2016 • 7:55:06am

re: #73 TedStriker

Either way, it’s going to be Pence as the power behind the throne, since Trump has already said he’s going delegate everything that doesn’t involve stylin’-and-profilin’ to Pence, or Pence ends up on the throne.

May God help us all.

No, Pence is God’s candidate.

What we need is what we won’t get (religion out of politics).

Expect the forced-birthers (and their terrorist allies) to ramp up their activity.
Expect the little remaining wall of separation between church and state to be torn asunder. The Christians got exactly what they wanted.

I don’t feel very good right now about that Christian Identity church up the road that preaches about killing liberals and atheists … they know exactly where I live and who I am because I write for the local paper, and I am the sole Democrat in the Panhandle.

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Dr Lizardo  Nov 9, 2016 • 7:55:10am

re: #84 Eclectic Cyborg

I just realized Twitter might likely get WORSE now that Trump won.

Oh, yeah. They won and they’re gonna go whole hog now.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 9, 2016 • 7:55:34am

re: #82 Eclectic Cyborg

What did Hillary in was not simply Conservatives who don’t like Liberals.

- It was the media who took it far too easy on her opponent in their unending quest for a horse race
- It was the irresponsiblity of men like James Comey, determined to stir up shit where there was none.
- It was naked sexism and misogyny
- it was the last name Clinton
- it was Jill Stein and Gary Johnson, who siphoned enough votes off to hand Trump the win in several key states.

-all the residual ratfucking from the primaries that led a lot of people to not vote Hillary (see last point)

-HRC should not have come out with the “deplorables” thing: it was obvious to anyone with an objective viewpoint but unnecessary and served as a rallying point for the opposition.

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TedStriker  Nov 9, 2016 • 7:55:36am

re: #78 Charles Johnson

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And, when Duke says “our people”, he’s really saying “white people”.

Get fucked, David…the forces of darkness (so to speak) may have won this time, but watch your back, because it won’t last.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 9, 2016 • 7:56:06am

Roe v. Wade is now threatened, as is Obergfell.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 9, 2016 • 7:56:30am

re: #86 Dr Lizardo

Oh, yeah. They won and they’re gonna go whole hog now.

I have refrained from any political postings on FB and delete most anything political I see on it.

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baileylamb  Nov 9, 2016 • 7:56:34am

re: #73 TedStriker

Either way, it’s going to be Pence as the power behind the throne, since Trump has already said he’s going delegate everything that doesn’t involve stylin’-and-profilin’ to Pence, or Pence ends up on the throne.

May God help us all.

I don’t believe that. I think Trump just told Pence and Kasich what he thought they wanted to hear.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 9, 2016 • 7:56:42am

re: #87 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I forgot to add all the Bernie or Bust bullshit too.

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Dr Lizardo  Nov 9, 2016 • 7:56:53am

You know, it just sorta occurred to me, now that we have an FSB stooge coming in to the White House next January, Angela Merkel is the leader of the free world.

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Edge of a dream AKA Cankles Mccellulite  Nov 9, 2016 • 7:57:01am

re: #85 Anymouse

No, Pence is God’s candidate.

What we need is what we won’t get (religion out of politics).

Expect the forced-birthers (and their terrorist allies) to ramp up their activity.
Expect the little remaining wall of separation between church and state to be torn asunder. The Christians got exactly what they wanted.

I don’t feel very good right now about that Christian Identity church up the road that preaches about killing liberals and atheists … they know exactly where I live and who I am because I write for the local paper, and I am the sole Democrat in the Panhandle.

I’m in Florida as well.

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ObserverArt  Nov 9, 2016 • 7:57:31am

re: #29 S’latch

I completely agree. But any political campaign has the responsibility for getting their voters out. Did this campaign let itself get sucker-punched by the polls that suggested they didn’t need to worry about turnout? I need to know. They need to know. We need to learn something.

I don’t know where you are getting that Clinton didn’t worry about turnout.

I was a contributor to her campaign and the last few weeks she worked the emails hard about turnout, don’t be complacent, keep after your friends and relatives, etc. Worked it to the point I was about to ask to not receive any more emails.

People have to get out and vote. She can’t make them. In my county and city we did come out for her…more than Obama. How do you explain that?

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Anymouse  Nov 9, 2016 • 7:57:34am

re: #76 Edge of a dream AKA Cankles Mccellulite

Didn’t pence want to force women who had Miscarriages perform a funeral for them?

That was made law. See the Facebook page Periods for Pence on how they troll the governor’s office; a woman calls in every day to inform the governor’s office on female flow and such.

Expect something similar now nationwide.
motherjones.com

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 9, 2016 • 7:57:47am

re: #89 Eclectic Cyborg

Roe v. Wade is now threatened, as is Obergfell.

hell, Brown vs the Board of Education is probably in play

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TedStriker  Nov 9, 2016 • 7:57:57am

re: #94 Edge of a dream AKA Cankles Mccellulite

I’m in Florida as well.

Anymouse is in Nebraska.

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ipsos  Nov 9, 2016 • 7:58:14am

re: #31 freetoken

Also, every politician wants to believe they are “it”, what the people want, what is needed.

So I’m sure HIllary really thought she was the one to be President.

I don’t fault her for that.

But that was equally true in 2008, with plenty of establishment support for Clinton. And then a better campaigner emerged and won the nomination away from her handily.

I think a big focus of the 2016 postmortem will be the question of why no such challenge emerged from within the party. Would we have been better off if Julian Castro or Cory Booker or Tim Kaine had jumped in early to give the Democrats a primary battle?

I am increasingly of the opinion that a vibrant primary race does more to help a party in the general than to hurt it.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 9, 2016 • 7:58:33am

re: #92 Eclectic Cyborg

I forgot to add all the Bernie or Bust bullshit too.

I am sure a lot of BoB stuff was stoked by GOP trolls who saw it as a way to harm Hillary

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Edge of a dream AKA Cankles Mccellulite  Nov 9, 2016 • 7:59:32am

re: #88 TedStriker

And, when Duke says “our people”, he’s really saying “white people”.

Get fucked, David…the forces of darkness (so to speak) may have won this time, but watch your back, because it won’t last.

OMG you’re right! See, I thought he meant “shit sucking puppy fuckers” ;)

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danarchy  Nov 9, 2016 • 8:00:37am

re: #4 TedStriker

Not like it’s gonna matter much now, with the filibuster guaranteed to be a thing of the past come January.

I would be willing to bet this doesn’t happen, at least not fully. They may curtail it a little farther for appointments, they may use reconciliation a little more aggressively, but Reid opened both those doors and I thought at the time it was a bad idea.

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TedStriker  Nov 9, 2016 • 8:00:40am

re: #91 baileylamb

I don’t believe that. I think Trump just told Pence and Kasich what he thought they wanted to hear.

Wanna bet? Trump has made his name on being the “big picture guy”, not on actually sweating the details in any enterprise he’s ever been involved with, particularly since he’s already said he would.

Why would this be any different?

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Edge of a dream AKA Cankles Mccellulite  Nov 9, 2016 • 8:00:58am

re: #98 TedStriker

Anymouse is in Nebraska.

Ahh. When he said pan handle I thought Florida.

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S'latch  Nov 9, 2016 • 8:01:10am

re: #95 ObserverArt

Thank you. I am trying to figure out where to direct my anger. This helps.

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Anymouse  Nov 9, 2016 • 8:02:02am

re: #104 Edge of a dream AKA Cankles Mccellulite

Ahh. When he said pan handle I thought Florida.

Nope, Jim Wright wouldn’t let me move in with him. /s

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freetoken  Nov 9, 2016 • 8:02:21am

re: #91 baileylamb

I don’t believe that. I think Trump just told Pence and Kasich what he thought they wanted to hear.

I suspect both (most) domestic and foreign policy is beyond Drumpf’s interests and skill set.

He’ll be more worried about building a better ballroom to impress visitors.

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Myron Falwell (no relation)  Nov 9, 2016 • 8:02:56am

YEAP.

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Anymouse  Nov 9, 2016 • 8:03:41am

re: #97 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

hell, Brown vs the Board of Education is probably in play

Along with Loving v Virginia and Griswold v Connecticut (forced birthers have specifically said they oppose contraception; we have a number of “Christian” pharmacies here that don’t sell contraceptive products).

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TedStriker  Nov 9, 2016 • 8:03:46am

re: #107 freetoken

I suspect both (most) domestic and foreign policy is beyond Drumpf’s interests and skill set.

He’ll be more worried about building a better ballroom to impress visitors.

Like I said, in any case, regardless of what Trump said, Pence will be the real power behind the throne and that should give anyone pause.

Greg Stillson for real, anyone?

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mmmirele  Nov 9, 2016 • 8:04:16am

re: #89 Eclectic Cyborg

Roe v. Wade is now threatened, as is Obergfell.

Not just Roe. Roe is just the major case going back to Griswold v. Connecticut, which legalized birth control for married women. We could see everything swept away.

I’m joining the Underground Femaleroad (hat tip Margaret Atwood).

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 9, 2016 • 8:04:30am

re: #107 freetoken

I suspect both (most) domestic and foreign policy is beyond Drumpf’s interests and skill set.

He’ll be more worried about building a better ballroom to impress visitors.

And taking trips abroad to visit with his tin-horn dictator buddies and bask in their adulation…

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Myron Falwell (no relation)  Nov 9, 2016 • 8:05:29am

re: #84 Eclectic Cyborg

I just realized Twitter might likely get WORSE now that Trump won.

Then Twitter might as well just shut down because their libertarianism-esque operating structure made it unsalable.

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Anymouse  Nov 9, 2016 • 8:06:07am

Something else to think about: Mr. Trump and several of his allies have specifically campaigned on the idea of restricting what content goes on the Internet.

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Citizen K  Nov 9, 2016 • 8:06:33am

I honestly just don’t know what the path forward here is? GOP essentially owns the entire country lock, stock, and barrel at this point, and they’re damn well going to use all the power they have to entrench it and fuck everyone who isn’t white and conservative. How do you fight that? They’re going to create shit that will take a generation, at the minimum, to undo, and that’s with concerted effort. What can you do when the country just screamed in your face ‘NO! NO! HATE YOU ALL, GET OUT, HATE YOU ALL!!’?

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William Lewis  Nov 9, 2016 • 8:06:39am

re: #85 Anymouse

No, Pence is God’s candidate.

What we need is what we won’t get (religion out of politics).

Expect the forced-birthers (and their terrorist allies) to ramp up their activity.
Expect the little remaining wall of separation between church and state to be torn asunder. The Christians got exactly what they wanted.

I don’t feel very good right now about that Christian Identity church up the road that preaches about killing liberals and atheists … they know exactly where I live and who I am because I write for the local paper, and I am the sole Democrat in the Panhandle.

We aren’t all like that. Not even close. Some of us actually listen to Matthew 7:12 & 25:31-46 though there are too goddamn many that don’t.

That said there are some seriously dangerous ones out there and Christian Identity are possibly the worst. Keep your shotgun loaded with buckshot…

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Dr Lizardo  Nov 9, 2016 • 8:06:54am

re: #114 Anymouse

Something else to think about: Mr. Trump and several of his allies have specifically campaigned on the idea of restricting what content goes on the Internet.

Yep. The First Amendment means nothing to them. Freedom of speech. For them.

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Kragar  Nov 9, 2016 • 8:08:35am

Watch now as all the details about Trump come leaking out, and they next 4 years are scandal, investigations, cover ups and power grabs.

I don’t know what fucking country this is any more.

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Jenner7  Nov 9, 2016 • 8:09:32am

re: #108 Myron Falwell (no relation)

But we don’t know if he’ll really do that because we don’t know anything about him. This was a personality contest, we can’t take him seriously.

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Dr Lizardo  Nov 9, 2016 • 8:09:59am

re: #115 Kryptik: Just Done With It.

I honestly just don’t know what the path forward here is? GOP essentially owns the entire country lock, stock, and barrel at this point, and they’re damn well going to use all the power they have to entrench it and fuck everyone who isn’t white and conservative. How do you fight that? They’re going to create shit that will take a generation, at the minimum, to undo, and that’s with concerted effort. What can you do when the country just screamed in your face ‘NO! NO! HATE YOU ALL, GET OUT, HATE YOU ALL!!’?

If they overreach, that will lead to real secessionist movements. I’m hearing rumblings from my friends in the Pacific Northwest. “We no longer have anything in common with the rest of the USA, so fuck those guys and let’s go our own way.” That sort of thing.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 9, 2016 • 8:10:21am

re: #118 Kragar

Watch now as all the details about Trump coming leaking out, and they next 4 years are scandal, investigations, cover ups and power grabs.

I don’t know what fucking country this is any more.

I would hope so, but we have entered the age of alternate media reality: DT will be able to screw up bigger than he ever did in business and will be praised for it.

Besides, there are plenty of minorites and immigrants to serve a scapegoats

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William Lewis  Nov 9, 2016 • 8:10:44am

re: #93 Dr Lizardo

You know, it just sorta occurred to me, now that we have an FSB stooge coming in to the White House next January, Angela Merkel is the leader of the free world.

And do not forget her subordinate Ursula von der Leyen & the Bundeswehr…

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Charles Johnson  Nov 9, 2016 • 8:10:55am
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Anymouse  Nov 9, 2016 • 8:12:20am

huffingtonpost.com

Huffington Post has a reminder of what you can do if you are overwhelmed by an election result that was thought could not happen, including volunteer organisations and anti-bigotry groups, along with contact information.

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ObserverArt  Nov 9, 2016 • 8:13:19am

re: #80 Myron Falwell (no relation)

And the Ohio Democrat Party’s failure to find a worthy challenger to Rob Portman looms large.

The Ohio Democratic party has had problems for years.

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Jenner7  Nov 9, 2016 • 8:13:38am

Media will continue to fail us, as well as Democrats in Congress. They will cave like they did when Bush was President. They aren’t treasonous, just cowardice.

And yeah, I’m fucking pissed off.

I might not last here.

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Myron Falwell (no relation)  Nov 9, 2016 • 8:13:45am

re: #119 Jenner7

But we don’t know if he’ll really do that because we don’t know anything about him. This was a personality contest, we can’t take him seriously.

The Heritage Foundation will make his Supreme Court picks and Mike Pence will be the de facto president anyway.

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Franklin  Nov 9, 2016 • 8:14:18am

Maggie Hassan’s (D-NH) lead down to 692 with one more precinct to report.

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becominginvisible  Nov 9, 2016 • 8:14:46am

re: #117 Dr Lizardo

I’m stunned in Missouri, still trying to process last night. Almost every position in Missouri was won by Republican Constitutional Conservative. They all want to _update_ the Constitution. I’m not looking forward to carry without background checks, conceal with no permit and hold your ground anywhere law in effect January 1, 2017. But I’m a 60 year old white woman who is physically handicapped, Muslim and has no family for support.

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Dr Lizardo  Nov 9, 2016 • 8:14:55am

re: #127 Myron Falwell (no relation)

The Heritage Foundation will make his Supreme Court picks and Mike Pence will be the de facto president anyway.

Bingo.

All Trump’s gonna be doing is “Making America Great Again” whatever the fuck that’s supposed to mean. He’s already said he’ll delegate the real work of being POTUS to the VP.

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Jenner7  Nov 9, 2016 • 8:15:21am

re: #127 Myron Falwell (no relation)

That doesn’t make me feel better.

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JasonA  Nov 9, 2016 • 8:15:46am
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Ziggy_TARDIS  Nov 9, 2016 • 8:16:01am

re: #126 Jenner7

At LGF, or in the United States?

Because we need to stay together here. Please. :’(

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Jenner7  Nov 9, 2016 • 8:16:33am

re: #128 Anymouse

And grab pussy. And not pay your bills. And…and….

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Jenner7  Nov 9, 2016 • 8:16:50am

re: #134 Ziggy_TARDIS

LGF.

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Edge of a dream AKA Cankles Mccellulite  Nov 9, 2016 • 8:17:02am

Well, I went out and bought Tequila. I usually don’t drink much, and never in the morning.
But then again, we just elected the Honey Boo Boo of national leaders.

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Jenner7  Nov 9, 2016 • 8:17:19am

I don’t have the luxury to move to another country.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 9, 2016 • 8:17:37am

re: #135 Jenner7

And grab pussy. And not pay your bills. And…and….

and mock handicapped people

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Edge of a dream AKA Cankles Mccellulite  Nov 9, 2016 • 8:17:50am

re: #126 Jenner7

Media will continue to fail us, as well as Democrats in Congress. They will cave like they did when Bush was President. They aren’t treasonous, just cowardice.

And yeah, I’m fucking pissed off.

I might not last here.

Non! You will last here!

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 9, 2016 • 8:18:01am

re: #138 Jenner7

I don’t have the luxury to move to another country.

I have the luxury of already living in one…

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Anymouse  Nov 9, 2016 • 8:18:08am

re: #135 Jenner7

And grab pussy. And not pay your bills. And…and….

and outlaw Planned Parenthood.

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Franklin  Nov 9, 2016 • 8:18:23am

Recount likely, but:

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Dr Lizardo  Nov 9, 2016 • 8:19:17am

re: #141 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I have the luxury of already living in one…

Same here. Still doesn’t make it any better. I’m already getting slammed with questions from my students, all of who are in shock.

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KerFuFFler  Nov 9, 2016 • 8:19:49am

re: #121 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I would hope so, but we have entered the age of alternate media reality: DT will be able to screw up bigger than he ever did in business and will be praised for it.

Besides, there are plenty of minorites and immigrants to serve a scapegoats

And when the economy hits the skids he’ll blame the cabal of (((bankers)))….

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Anymouse  Nov 9, 2016 • 8:20:07am

re: #140 Edge of a dream AKA Cankles Mccellulite

Non! You will last here!

Assuming there is still a here - with Breitbart’s Steve Bannon in with Mr. Trump (who said he wants to restrict content on the Internet), do you suppose Mr. Bannon (if given the power to do so) would let places like this, Daily Kos, or Wonkette survive?

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ObserverArt  Nov 9, 2016 • 8:20:32am

I gotta wonder if this election was all about white people, did Obama campaigning so hard and calling Trump out for being temperamentally unfit, etc. come off as spitting in the face of those white folks that have hated him since he was elected in 2008?

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 9, 2016 • 8:21:30am

re: #144 Dr Lizardo

Same here. Still doesn’t make it any better. I’m already getting slammed with questions from my students, all of who are in shock.

my girlfriend left work early and is skipping her Italian lessons cause she is tired of it

(she is applying for an Italian passport through her grandparents)

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Anymouse  Nov 9, 2016 • 8:22:33am

re: #147 ObserverArt

I gotta wonder if this election was all about white people, did Obama campaigning so hard and calling Trump out for being temperamentally unfit, etc. come off as spitting in the face of those white folks that have hated him since he was elected in 2008?

He is temperamentally unfit. Mr. Trump’s supporters saw that as spitting in their faces, because they were in fact supporting someone temperamentally unfit.

My wife points out we live in the middle of a whole bunch of ICBM silos, if Mr. Trump decides to act on his question of “why can’t we use nukes” at least living here will be quick.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 9, 2016 • 8:22:42am

re: #145 KerFuFFler

And when the economy hits the skids he’ll blame the cabal of (((bankers)))….

forgot about them: a minority for every occasion…terror attacks? obvious. increased crime rate? inner city thugs. low wages? illegal immigrants taking our jobs…

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William Lewis  Nov 9, 2016 • 8:23:07am

re: #148 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

my girlfriend left work early and is skipping her Italian lessons cause she is tired of it

(she is applying for an Italian passport through her grandparents)

Hmm. Wonder if my ex can get a Swiss passport. She’s only 2nd Generation US on her mother’s side. At least then she & our son would be safe…

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goddamnedfrank  Nov 9, 2016 • 8:24:10am

The Bernie Bros are beyond gleeful at what they’ve destroyed.

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Myron Falwell (no relation)  Nov 9, 2016 • 8:24:13am

Talk radio pilloried millennials as dumb, low-information voters since the 2012 election. And now talk radio has defeated and will suppress millennials for at least four years.

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De Kolta Chair  Nov 9, 2016 • 8:24:15am

A friend of mine just emailed to share that one of her co-workers is pissed off because he really thought Gary Johnson would win. And this is in New York City. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 9, 2016 • 8:24:27am

re: #151 William Lewis

Hmm. Wonder if my ex can get a Swiss passport. She’s only 2nd Generation US on her mother’s side. At least then she & our son would be safe…

My girlfriend can apply because her Grandparents never became naturalized US citizens

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baileylamb  Nov 9, 2016 • 8:24:35am

re: #89 Eclectic Cyborg

Roe v. Wade is now threatened, as re: #109 Anymouse

Along with Loving v Virginia and Griswold v Connecticut (forced birthers have specifically said they oppose contraception; we have a number of “Christian” pharmacies here that don’t sell contraceptive products).

And that is why I would like to move for 4 years.

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William Lewis  Nov 9, 2016 • 8:25:47am

re: #149 Anymouse

He is temperamentally unfit. Mr. Trump’s supporters saw that as spitting in their faces, because they were in fact supporting someone temperamentally unfit.

My wife points out we live in the middle of a whole bunch of ICBM silos, if Mr. Trump decides to act on his question of “why can’t we use nukes” at least living here will be quick.

I’m downwind of the other big patch of them in North Dakota & Wyoming. Thrill.

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Amory Blaine  Nov 9, 2016 • 8:26:45am

Hillary did everything right as far as I can tell. GOTV was there, the infrastructure was there, this email nothing burger was her only thorn going in. No, this failure falls squarely on the electorate.

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Anymouse  Nov 9, 2016 • 8:27:24am

re: #154 De Kolta Chair

A friend of mine just emailed me to say one of her co-workers is pissed off because he really thought Gary Johnson would win. And this is in New York City.

My wife left the Libertarian Party because she thought that they were a bunch of idiots, and she was a past officer in the Colorado Libertarian Party.

If it’s any consolation, a former Libertarian here voted for Hillary Clinton (in the most Trump-leaning House district in the nation).

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Franklin  Nov 9, 2016 • 8:27:40am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 9, 2016 • 8:27:58am

re: #158 Amory Blaine

Hillary did everything right as far as I can tell. GOTV was there, the infrastructure was there, this email nothing burger was her only thorn going in. No, this failure falls squarely on the electorate.

I have to agree. DT successfully tapped into a deep vein of resentment and ugliness that he had the temperament to sniff out.

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Anymouse  Nov 9, 2016 • 8:28:23am

re: #161 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I have to agree. DT successfully tapped into a deep vein of resentment and ugliness that he had the temperament to sniff out.

Wallace 2.0

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TedStriker  Nov 9, 2016 • 8:28:48am

re: #158 Amory Blaine

Hillary did everything right as far as I can tell. GOTV was there, the infrastructure was there, this email nothing burger was her only thorn going in. No, this failure falls squarely on the electorate.

Well, that, along with the whole 30-year long game the GOP ran against her and Bill.

We have gotten the government we deserve and it’s going to hurt…a lot.

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Kragar  Nov 9, 2016 • 8:29:18am
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Charles Johnson  Nov 9, 2016 • 8:29:22am

Getting lots of twets like this one.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 9, 2016 • 8:29:27am

re: #162 Anymouse

Wallace 2.0

nationwide…

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ObserverArt  Nov 9, 2016 • 8:30:27am

re: #105 S’latch

Thank you. I am trying to figure out where to direct my anger. This helps.

I think it is clear. Direct your anger at the people that voted for Trump. It appears many were educated white men and women. They elected a guy that even the Republicans didn’t want. Seems pretty clear to me.

I say that as a white male. A white male that is scared by all this.

D. L. Hughley (Sp?) is on MSNBC and he is slamming Blacks and Millennials hard. Ouch.

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Anymouse  Nov 9, 2016 • 8:30:47am
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Dr Lizardo  Nov 9, 2016 • 8:30:54am

re: #148 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

my girlfriend left work early and is skipping her Italian lessons cause she is tired of it

(she is applying for an Italian passport through her grandparents)

I wonder if I can apply for an Italian passport? My grandfather and grandmother on my dad’s side came from Italy. They came to the US sometime after WWI.

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William Lewis  Nov 9, 2016 • 8:31:09am

re: #155 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

My girlfriend can apply because her Grandparents never became naturalized US citizens

Yeah, I’m not in the least familiar with Swiss law on this issue. If it were just me, I’d probably boogie over to the Czech Republic or the Bundesrepublik as at least I’d have some understanding of the culture. But them? That’s a little messier.

Way OT, but all of a sudden I have a craving for a Jagerschnitzel, & pomme frites… :D

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scottslemmons  Nov 9, 2016 • 8:31:28am

re: #108 Myron Falwell (no relation)

YEAP.

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Goddamn scary as hell. I don’t flatter myself that I’m prominent enough to warrant inclusion on a list like that, but think of all the people who are, and who are going to get their lives publicly fucked up or worse. The Clintons, the Obamas, the reporters who’ve covered Trump’s rallies, the reporters who’ve investigated him, the Khans, celebrities and entertainers who endorsed or campaigned for Hillary.

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(((This is the end)))  Nov 9, 2016 • 8:31:50am

{{{everyone}}}

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Anymouse  Nov 9, 2016 • 8:32:16am

re: #170 William Lewis

Yeah, I’m not in the least familiar with Swiss law on this issue. If it were just me, I’d probably boogie over to the Czech Republic or the Bundesrepublik as at least I’d have some understanding of the culture. But them? That’s a little messier.

Way OT, but all of a sudden I have a craving for a Jagerschnitzel, & pomme frites… :D

Well, my wife and I have friends in Switzerland who are physicians, but I don’t know if “friend” qualifies for Swiss passports.

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Shiplord Kirel  Nov 9, 2016 • 8:33:42am

re: #85 Anymouse

No, Pence is God’s candidate.

What we need is what we won’t get (religion out of politics).

Expect the forced-birthers (and their texasterrorist allies) to ramp up their activity.
Expect the little remaining wall of separation between church and state to be torn asunder. The Christians got exactly what they wanted.

I don’t feel very good right now about that Christian Identity church up the road that preaches about killing liberals and atheists … they know exactly where I live and who I am because I write for the local paper, and I am the sole Democrat in the Panhandle.

Good points all. Trump may do the most damage by greenlighting various fanatics, rather than through direct government action.
With some unspeakable RWNJ as AG and Comey in charge of a polticized FBI, federal protection for free speech and other basic rights will be drastically curtailed. RW media will incite and direct and all kinds of nuts will feel that they can run wild. RWNJ local and state governments will either look the other way or, in the case of sovereign sheriffs and the like, join in.
The response is to expose these actions on an international stage, organize mutual legal and other kinds of support, and share ideas so new responses can be devised. That is where reputable independent media like LGF become indispensable.

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De Kolta Chair  Nov 9, 2016 • 8:34:10am

re: #167 ObserverArt

D. L. Hughley (Sp?) is on MSNBC and he is slamming Blacks and Millennials hard. Ouch.

I couldn’t hear the interview, but every 30 seconds or so my wife, who’s Black and was watching him, would shout “EXACTLY!”

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 9, 2016 • 8:34:31am

re: #169 Dr Lizardo

I wonder if I can apply for an Italian passport? My grandfather and grandmother on my dad’s side came from Italy. They came to the US sometime after WWI.

If they did not take on US citizenship and you can produce a whole pile of documentation (birth, death and marriage certificates for them and your parents) then Italy would be happy to have-a you back.

Check with your nearest Italian consulate (do not expect a lot of assistance but they will at least tell you how to proceed)

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Anymouse  Nov 9, 2016 • 8:34:40am

Rosello won in Puerto Rico - while he favours statehood there is not a chance in hell the GOP would allow that.

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Thanos  Nov 9, 2016 • 8:35:39am

Tim Kaine on stage now

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Franklin  Nov 9, 2016 • 8:35:44am
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Amory Blaine  Nov 9, 2016 • 8:36:02am
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Anymouse  Nov 9, 2016 • 8:36:17am

re: #179 Franklin

Susan Sarandon? She has enough money to leave.

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TedStriker  Nov 9, 2016 • 8:36:50am

re: #180 Amory Blaine

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Very mature, Sheriff Clark.

*retches*

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Thanos  Nov 9, 2016 • 8:37:00am

Stream died

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Unshaken Defiance  Nov 9, 2016 • 8:37:01am

Trump threatened to jail Clinton and her attorneys. I think a Presidential pardon is in order.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 9, 2016 • 8:37:08am

re: #170 William Lewis

Yeah, I’m not in the least familiar with Swiss law on this issue. If it were just me, I’d probably boogie over to the Czech Republic or the Bundesrepublik as at least I’d have some understanding of the culture. But them? That’s a little messier.

Way OT, but all of a sudden I have a craving for a Jagerschnitzel, & pomme frites… :D

My buddy, a Jewish-Italian (Swiss) kid from NYC, got a Swiss passport through his mom and has been living there happily ever since. He sends me his overflow translation and editing work and I am happy as a clam.

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(((This is the end)))  Nov 9, 2016 • 8:37:37am

re: #177 Anymouse

Rosello won in Puerto Rico - while he favours statehood there is not a chance in hell the GOP would allow that.

But he has the Tennessee Plan!!

//

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Edge of a dream AKA Cankles Mccellulite  Nov 9, 2016 • 8:37:41am

re: #179 Franklin

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Omg. I love Joy. She has been my girl crush for a while now.

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Thanos  Nov 9, 2016 • 8:37:47am

ABC killed it due to copyright claim

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Bass Reeves  Nov 9, 2016 • 8:37:58am

re: #147 ObserverArt

I think people here are continually projecting this as a failure of the Democratic campaign.

The Democratic party ran a fine campaign. The election was about recentering White America. Message received. Stop pillorying our guys for running an objectively better campaign with an objectively better candidate. If the response is Hillary’s negatives, we know that shit is false. The electorate *chose* to believe lies, because their purpose was to recenter White (Straight, Christian) America.

The part everyone forgot (including myself), is that there are a fuck of a lot of white people in this country. Every other demographic went overwhelmingly for Clinton, so the only way she could have won was to…wait for it…recenter White (Straight, Christian) America. Which is the campaign she was going to be accused of running, but not the campaign she ran.

I’m satisfied with the campaign she ran. I’m less satisfied with the population that filed protest votes because of their inability to not center their Whiteness (Straight, Christian), and thereby allowed the racist, misogynistic, xenophobic section of the country whose only check is the Federal Government a firm grasp on the country.

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Edge of a dream AKA Cankles Mccellulite  Nov 9, 2016 • 8:39:26am

re: #189 Bass Reeves

I think people here are continually projecting this as a failure of the Democratic campaign.

The Democratic party ran a fine campaign. The election was about recentering White America. Message received. Stop pillorying our guys for running an objectively better campaign with an objectively better candidate. If the response is Hillary’s negatives, we know that shit is false. The electorate *chose* to believe lies, because their purpose was to recenter White (Straight, Christian) America.

The part everyone forgot (including myself), is that there are a fuck of a lot of white people in this country. Every other demographic went overwhelmingly for Clinton, so the only way she could have won was to…wait for it…recenter White (Straight, Christian) America. Which is the campaign she was going to be accused of running, but not the campaign she ran.

I’m satisfied with the campaign she ran. I’m less satisfied with the population that filed protest votes because of their inability to not center their Whiteness (Straight, Christian), and thereby allowed the racist, misogynistic, xenophobic section of the country whose only check is the Federal Government a firm grasp on the country.

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Marry me.

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Myron Falwell (no relation)  Nov 9, 2016 • 8:40:11am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 9, 2016 • 8:40:22am

re: #189 Bass Reeves

The part everyone forgot (including myself), is that there are a fuck of a lot of white people in this country. Every other demographic went overwhelmingly for Clinton, so the only way she could have won was to…wait for it…recenter White (Straight, Christian) America. Which is the campaign she was going to be accused of running, but not the campaign she ran.

and they have started to believe the media telling them that their White (Straight, Christian) culture and heritage is threatened and under attack

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Anymouse  Nov 9, 2016 • 8:40:32am

re: #190 Edge of a dream AKA Cankles Mccellulite

Marry me.

Okay you two get a room. /s

His wife might object though.

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Belafon  Nov 9, 2016 • 8:40:59am

This campaign boiled down to this: For years, they’ve been calling Hillary the political equivalent of slut. Then Trump comes along, and we’re all like “He’s actually sleeping around with everyone.” And they go “But he’s Trump.”

I’d hoped people would have seen through the lies about Clinton, but it was not to be. And the main TV news networks provided no help on this.

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Thanos  Nov 9, 2016 • 8:41:49am

re: #189 Bass Reeves

I think people here are continually projecting this as a failure of the Democratic campaign.

The Democratic party ran a fine campaign. The election was about recentering White America. Message received. Stop pillorying our guys for running an objectively better campaign with an objectively better candidate. If the response is Hillary’s negatives, we know that shit is false. The electorate *chose* to believe lies, because their purpose was to recenter White (Straight, Christian) America.

The part everyone forgot (including myself), is that there are a fuck of a lot of white people in this country. Every other demographic went overwhelmingly for Clinton, so the only way she could have won was to…wait for it…recenter White (Straight, Christian) America. Which is the campaign she was going to be accused of running, but not the campaign she ran.

I’m satisfied with the campaign she ran. I’m less satisfied with the population that filed protest votes because of their inability to not center their Whiteness (Straight, Christian), and thereby allowed the racist, misogynistic, xenophobic section of the country whose only check is the Federal Government a firm grasp on the country.

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I don’t think it’s just that - the right has a large reserve of animus towards anything Clinton and have built them up into political antichrists for decades - our press didn’t do very much to correct it. There’s a lot of racism out there, but it’s a mistake to think it’s only one thing. Consider if it were Biden vs. Trump, the rural turn out for Trump would have been a lot less.

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Anymouse  Nov 9, 2016 • 8:42:08am

Need a drink, (good thing I bought some rum when we were at the Democratic poll watching party last night), BRB.

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KingKenrod  Nov 9, 2016 • 8:42:51am

Clinton is speaking now.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 9, 2016 • 8:42:56am

re: #194 Belafon

This campaign boiled down to this: For years, they’ve been calling Hillary the political equivalent of slut. Then Trump comes along, and we’re all like “He’s actually sleeping around with everyone.” And they go “But he’s Trump.”

I’d hoped people would have seen through the lies about Clinton, but it was not to be. And the main TV news networks provided no help on this.

They threw mud at Dukakis and Kerry and it stuck. They tried it with Obama and it failed.

But their inability to learn paid off: people don’t like Hillary, they threw more mud and it stuck.

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Myron Falwell (no relation)  Nov 9, 2016 • 8:43:07am

I’m willing to join them wholeheartedly.
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Anymouse  Nov 9, 2016 • 8:43:25am

re: #195 Thanos

I don’t think it’s just that - the right has a large reserve of animus towards anything Clinton and have built them up into political antichrists for decades - our press didn’t do very much to correct it. There’s a lot of racism out there, but it’s a mistake to think it’s only one thing. Consider if it were Biden vs. Trump, the rural turn out for Trump would have been a lot less.

The animus isn’t against just the Clintons: It’s against liberals. I have been putting up with thirty years of “liberals are traitors, liberals are anti-American” ever since Ronald Reagan.

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TedStriker  Nov 9, 2016 • 8:44:14am

re: #199 Myron Falwell (no relation)

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I’m willing to join them wholeheartedly.

That is, until he and Pence have AG Rudy declare the ACLU a terrorist organization…

/half

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 9, 2016 • 8:44:34am

re: #200 Anymouse

The animus isn’t against just the Clintons: It’s against liberals. I have been putting up with thirty years of “liberals are traitors, liberals are anti-American” ever since Ronald Reagan.

All GHW Bush had to do to defeat Dukakis in the primaries was to say “You’re a Liberal!”

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Emptor scriptor Remorse  Nov 9, 2016 • 8:45:27am

Heartbreaking speech. Poise. Dignity. Grace.

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Joe Bacon  Nov 9, 2016 • 8:45:28am

re: #116 William Lewis

We aren’t all like that. Not even close. Some of us actually listen to Matthew 7:12 & 25:31-46 though there are too goddamn many that don’t.

That said there are some seriously dangerous ones out there and Christian Identity are possibly the worst. Keep your shotgun loaded with buckshot…

The sad truth is that Anymouse is right. The overwhelming majority of churches are simply Republican Party cells.

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William Lewis  Nov 9, 2016 • 8:46:07am

re: #191 Myron Falwell (no relation)

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Hey, that’s the pic I chose for my new avatar.

Wear the white rose people. Let everyone who cares know who is resisting the fascists. Let it be for real Americans what the Lorraine Cross was in France 70+ years ago.

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William Lewis  Nov 9, 2016 • 8:47:59am

re: #199 Myron Falwell (no relation)

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I’m willing to join them wholeheartedly.

After March, I’d say, it won’t matter. They’ll have their Scalia clone safely installed and have their majority back for a generation.

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Shiplord Kirel  Nov 9, 2016 • 8:49:28am

re: #204 Joe Bacon

The sad truth is that Anymouse is right. The overwhelming majority of churches are simply Republican Party cells.

I’ve been saying for a long time that the loosely structured but all-pervasive fundy church networks are the RWNJ militia.

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Dr Lizardo  Nov 9, 2016 • 8:50:08am

re: #206 William Lewis

After March, I’d say, it won’t matter. They’ll have their Scalia clone safely installed and have their majority back for a generation.

Yep, and then 50 odd years of progress, right in the fucking trash.

*smdh*

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Edge of a dream AKA Cankles Mccellulite  Nov 9, 2016 • 8:50:15am

re: #193 Anymouse

Okay you two get a room. /s

His wife might object though.

Damnit. Trump and now this! Oh, Hello Tequila.

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Myron Falwell (no relation)  Nov 9, 2016 • 8:50:30am
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Thanos  Nov 9, 2016 • 8:50:52am

re: #200 Anymouse

The animus isn’t against just the Clintons: It’s against liberals. I have been putting up with thirty years of “liberals are traitors, liberals are anti-American” ever since Ronald Reagan.

Yeah, that’s how the dyed in the wool wingnuts think, remember I live in a deep red state…. but I’m talking about average Americans. There are lots of things broken that we have to fix if we are to overcome this. A short list:

Our social media
our professional media
electoral college apportionment from the 2010 census
our ground game and farm team in the flyover states

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Dr Lizardo  Nov 9, 2016 • 8:51:26am

re: #209 Edge of a dream AKA Cankles Mccellulite

Damnit. Trump and now this! Oh, Hello Tequila.

O, Sweet Meteor of Death, where art thou?

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Anymouse  Nov 9, 2016 • 8:51:45am

re: #202 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

All GHW Bush had to do to defeat Dukakis in the primaries was to say “You’re a Liberal!”

It was a lonely time in the Navy during the Reagan and GHW Bush Administrations.

When I voted absentee for Jimmy Carter against Ronald Reagan at sea, the officer that was required to sign my ballot envelope was demanding to see everyone’s ballots first. (Illegal, but nothing could be done.)

It took a couple years to overcome the downgrades I got in “military bearing” marks to advance again in rank. (Those low grades might also be the reason I did not make chief petty officer, as the chief’s board goes all the way through your career - I scored perfect advancement exams every time I went up for chief but was passed over.)

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Joe Bacon  Nov 9, 2016 • 8:51:52am

re: #199 Myron Falwell (no relation)

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I’m willing to join them wholeheartedly.

I have no confidence in the ACLU—They’re the ones who gave us Citizens United by insisting that money is free speech.

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Scottishdragon  Nov 9, 2016 • 8:52:46am

re: #58 Dave In Austin

The one rose in the turd bucket.

NC got rid of GLBT hating Governor McCrory.

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goddamnedfrank  Nov 9, 2016 • 8:54:05am
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Thanos  Nov 9, 2016 • 8:54:11am

There are only four years until next census, we’ve got to win more states back from wingnuts if we hope to have any chance.

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KerFuFFler  Nov 9, 2016 • 8:54:14am

What a classy concession speech!

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Myron Falwell (no relation)  Nov 9, 2016 • 8:54:43am

re: #201 TedStriker

That is, until he and Pence have AG Rudy declare the ACLU a terrorist organization…

/half

re: #206 William Lewis

After March, I’d say, it won’t matter. They’ll have their Scalia clone safely installed and have their majority back for a generation.

Pretty much. :/

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Myron Falwell (no relation)  Nov 9, 2016 • 8:55:23am
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weave  Nov 9, 2016 • 8:56:33am

re: #215 Scottishdragon

NC got rid of GLBT hating Governor McCrory.

OMG — I can’t believe it. That’s awesome!

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KerFuFFler  Nov 9, 2016 • 8:56:33am

My stomach has been in knots for hours———I just don’t know how to get my head around this.

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Joe Bacon  Nov 9, 2016 • 8:56:51am

Well, I will have an additional workload at Social Security come January 20th—terminating benefits for same-sex couples and calculating their overpayments that they have to refund…

Now I wonder how long I will have a job since Trump and the GOP are hell bent on privatizing Social Security. Yeah, need a Social Security card? Visit H&R Block and pay $250 for your card. Want Disability benefits? Block will take 25% of your first six months of payments as their processing fee. Reporting a Change Of Address? $100. Setting up Direct Deposit? $100…

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ObserverArt  Nov 9, 2016 • 8:57:30am

All those LGF members that are hinting they may not stick around on this great site…can I ask you to stay?

I think that would be really unfair to treat Charles and the rest of the members like that.

Also, just as Hillary said, we all need to stick together. Apart and we may never get a good chance to get progressive ideas cemented. In ways not being together makes it easier for the Republicans and Conservatives to reverse everything that has come since The Great Society.

Please???

Okay that is all I got. I am drained. Gotta take a break now.

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Edge of a dream AKA Cankles Mccellulite  Nov 9, 2016 • 8:58:04am

re: #223 Joe Bacon

Well, I will have an additional workload at Social Security come January 20th—terminating benefits for same-sex couples and calculating their overpayments that they have to refund…

Now I wonder how long I will have a job since Trump and the GOP are hell bent on privatizing Social Security. Yeah, need a Social Security card? Visit H&R Block and pay $250 for your card. Want Disability benefits? Block will take 25% of your first six months of payments as their processing fee. Reporting a Change Of Address? $100. Setting up Direct Deposit? $100…

That’s what his people wanted. They should get exactly what they want.

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Scottishdragon  Nov 9, 2016 • 8:58:46am

re: #179 Franklin

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Joe Bacon  Nov 9, 2016 • 8:59:30am

Honestly, if someone puts a secession referendum on the 2018 California ballot, I am at the point where I would vote Yes…

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Anymouse  Nov 9, 2016 • 8:59:37am

re: #211 Thanos

Yeah, that’s how the dyed in the wool wingnuts think, remember I live in a deep red state…. but I’m talking about average Americans. There are lots of things broken that we have to fix if we are to overcome this. A short list:

Our social media
our professional media
electoral college apportionment from the 2010 census
our ground game and farm team in the flyover states

There’s that “flyover state” thing again that someone here said they never heard. Perhaps if you lived here you would understand how deeply insulting people here find that term.

The first thing to fix before anything else would work is to get rid of the regionalism that considers the coastal states to be “intellectually superior” or whatnot to those of us in the middle of the country.

You might be surprised to know that the majority of adults in my village have college degrees. Several people have more than one discipline. I am actually in the minority here with no college. There are two Mensa members in a village of 124.

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Thanos  Nov 9, 2016 • 9:01:03am

She won approximately 193K more votes but received 48 fewer electoral votes - what that means is that some states have more congress critters than they should based on 2010 census vs 2016 actual demographics, which in turn gives them more electoral votes as well. Until we get that fixed, this is just going to repeat.

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EmmaAnne  Nov 9, 2016 • 9:01:14am

re: #189 Bass Reeves

The Democratic party ran a fine campaign. The election was about recentering White America. Message received. Stop pillorying our guys for running an objectively better campaign with an objectively better candidate. If the response is Hillary’s negatives, we know that shit is false. The electorate *chose* to believe lies, because their purpose was to recenter White (Straight, Christian) America.

So much this. Hillary worked her ass off and so did the campaign - I went out on voter registration drives with them several times - they were turning over every stone and shaking every bush for votes. I can’t even blame the press - yeah they sucked, but the voters knew who Trump was and chose him. I can’t even really blame Comey. The voters knew - if they wanted to - that it was nothingburger, and they chose who and what they wanted.

I really, really hope we don’t dissolve into recrimination and circular firing squads. This would only benefit our opponents.

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Thanos  Nov 9, 2016 • 9:01:49am

re: #228 Anymouse

I live in Kansas dodo.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 9, 2016 • 9:02:37am

re: #223 Joe Bacon

Now I wonder how long I will have a job since Trump and the GOP are hell bent on privatizing Social Security.

Want to be cared for in your old age? Then marry young and have lots of grandchildren to take you in when you reach retirement age…

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TedStriker  Nov 9, 2016 • 9:03:28am

re: #230 EmmaAnne

So much this. Hillary worked her ass off and so did the campaign - I went out on voter registration drives with them several times - they were turning over every stone and shaking every bush for votes. I can’t even blame the press - yeah they sucked, but the voters knew who Trump was and chose him. I can’t even really blame Comey. The voters knew - if they wanted to - that it was nothingburger, and they chose who and what they wanted.

I really, really hope we don’t dissolve into recrimination and circular firing squads. This would only benefit our opponents.

Exactly.

The main reason Trump won is because of this: he, like his buddy Vince McMahon of the WWE, knows how to work his primary audience (white people) and they came through for him.

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weave  Nov 9, 2016 • 9:03:35am

re: #215 Scottishdragon

NC got rid of GLBT hating Governor McCrory.

One of the few bright spots of the night for Democrats, so of course they are screaming voter fraud. (redstate).

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 9, 2016 • 9:03:46am

re: #228 Anymouse

The first thing to fix before anything else would work is to get rid of the regionalism that considers the coastal states to be “intellectually superior” or whatnot to those of us in the middle of the country.

Trumpism is to a great degree a reaction to that attitude, be it real or perceived.

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Edge of a dream AKA Cankles Mccellulite  Nov 9, 2016 • 9:04:13am

re: #226 Scottishdragon

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Remember grasshopper, she does not vote with her vagina. Which would be awkward.

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Anymouse  Nov 9, 2016 • 9:04:39am

re: #229 Thanos

She won approximately 193K more votes but received 48 fewer electoral votes - what that means is that some states have more congress critters than they should based on 2010 census vs 2016 actual demographics, which in turn gives them more electoral votes as well. Until we get that fixed, this is just going to repeat.

Wyoming gets three electoral votes with 500,000 people. Nebraska gets five electoral votes with 1,896,000 people.

The Constitution under the Connecticut Compromise is structured to give low population states more electoral votes than they would have in a purely population-based system/

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 9, 2016 • 9:04:48am

re: #229 Thanos

She won approximately 193K more votes but received 48 fewer electoral votes - what that means is that some states have more congress critters than they should based on 2010 census vs 2016 actual demographics, which in turn gives them more electoral votes as well. Until we get that fixed, this is just going to repeat.

and low-population states (Wyoming, Montana, N Dakota) still have two extra EC votes for their senators.

So as long as the Democrats draw their core support from states with large urban areas, they are going to be under-weighted in the EC.

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Thanos  Nov 9, 2016 • 9:06:27am

re: #238 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

and low-population states (Wyoming, Montana, N Dakota) still have two extra votes for their senators.

Yes

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Anymouse  Nov 9, 2016 • 9:06:37am

re: #231 Thanos

I live in Kansas dodo.

I did not know that. I presume you know then how we in the middle of the country feel ignored or looked down on by the coasts.

That said, your businesses are fleeing to my state. My local paper endorsed Sam Brownback for Governor of Kansas because of his excellent economic policies.

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Dave In Austin  Nov 9, 2016 • 9:07:47am

LOL!!

That didn’t take long.

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Myron Falwell (no relation)  Nov 9, 2016 • 9:08:45am

Ramping up the forthcoming Trump Depression:

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Anymouse  Nov 9, 2016 • 9:09:12am

Donald Trump lost money on a liquor brand.

How the hell do you do that?

Skimming casinos I can see how that would hurt them, but liquor?

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Thanos  Nov 9, 2016 • 9:09:34am

re: #240 Anymouse

I did not know that. I presume you know then how we in the middle of the country feel ignored or looked down on by the coasts.

That said, your businesses are fleeing to my state. My local paper endorsed Sam Brownback for Governor of Kansas because of his excellent economic policies.

I know that all too well, before Kansas I lived in Fairbanks, Alaska, & I went to school with Digby & Dennis from Hullabaloo. I don’t take umbrage at the term because it is a stereotype with some accuracy. We are flyover country whether we wanna be or not…

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Dr Lizardo  Nov 9, 2016 • 9:09:38am

re: #241 Dave In Austin

LOL!!

That didn’t take long.

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AH, HAHAHAHA! Now Trump’s supporters are gonna find out what it’s like to be the mark in a game of Three-card Monte.

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Joe Bacon  Nov 9, 2016 • 9:09:54am

re: #226 Scottishdragon

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Oh, Susan just can’t be bothered with that. Just like in 2000 she couldn’t be bothered with helping people hut by her actions to put Dumbya in the White House. And I’m especially thinking about how Susan didn’t give an aerodynamic intercourse aimed at Earth’s natural satellite when it came to the families of the 4,424 American soldiers killed in Iraq. Her beautiful mind just can’t be bothered with that…

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Joe Bacon  Nov 9, 2016 • 9:11:08am

re: #245 Dr Lizardo

AH, HAHAHAHA! Now Trump’s supporters are gonna find out what it’s like to be the mark in a game of Three-card Monte.

No just like 1980 when they blamed Carter, and 2000 when they blamed Clinton—they will blame Obama for everything that goes wrong.

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Thanos  Nov 9, 2016 • 9:11:20am

Obama to speak soon

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Shiplord Kirel  Nov 9, 2016 • 9:12:00am

At least we won’t have perverts and weirdos trying to imagine what the First Lady looks like naked, or concocting bad photoshoppes of such: They can just look it up on the net.

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TedStriker  Nov 9, 2016 • 9:13:04am

re: #248 Thanos

Obama to speak soon

President Obama: “Fuck all y’all, I’m out!”

///

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Anymouse  Nov 9, 2016 • 9:13:24am

re: #246 Joe Bacon

Aerodynamic intercourse. LOL. Susan Sarandon got hers, she doesn’t care about others. That makes her a libertarian, regardless of what she claims to care about others.

re: #247 Joe Bacon

Everything that goes right is from conservatives, everything that is wrong is liberal policy.

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Anymouse  Nov 9, 2016 • 9:15:31am

wonkette.com

Rebecca at Wonkette thanking supporters. She is also scared for the future.

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Edge of a dream AKA Cankles Mccellulite  Nov 9, 2016 • 9:17:00am

re: #244 Thanos

I know that all too well, before Kansas I lived in Fairbanks, Alaska, & I went to school with Digby & Dennis from Hullabaloo. I don’t take umbrage at the term because it is a stereotype with some accuracy. We are flyover country whether we wanna be or not…

Trust me. As someone who is part Appalachian Southern, Yankee and Midwestern, The right cares about you less. The left may forget all the small towns sometimes. We live in a big country. We often forget that until we meet people from say, Europe, who are overwhelmed by our size, that it is hard to make everyone happy. But, I am confident, the fly over states have chosen exactly who they deserve. I am so happy for them!

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Kragar  Nov 9, 2016 • 9:18:12am
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Rocky-in-Connecticut  Nov 9, 2016 • 9:18:32am

re: #184 Unshaken Defiance

Trump threatened to jail Clinton and her attorneys. I think a Presidential pardon is in order.

I disagree. I would like to see them try it. Let the start of a Trump legacy be a giant sh*tshow on full public display, revealing the pure cynical politics being unleashed upon the American People. This whole era of Stupid needs to be exposed and documented for history.

My bet is, the whole thing is dropped by Republicans it order for “more important things to do”- like gut Medicare and get rid of all environmental regulations as promised.

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Anymouse  Nov 9, 2016 • 9:19:38am

re: #253 Edge of a dream AKA Cankles Mccellulite

Trust me. As someone who is part Appalachian Southern, Yankee and Midwestern, The right cares about you less. The left may forget all the small towns sometimes. We live in a big country. We often forget that until we meet people from say, Europe, who are overwhelmed by our size, that it is hard to make everyone happy. But, I am confident, the fly over states have chosen exactly who they deserve. I am so happy for them!

I didn’t choose that. And the correct name of this state is Nebraska not flyover.

Marco Rubio (not in a flyover state) noted in his acceptance speech one of his “targets” will be academia. Think about that.

The purge of education is coming.

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Timothy Watson  Nov 9, 2016 • 9:20:02am

re: #199 Myron Falwell (no relation)

Should President-elect Donald Trump attempt to implement his unconstitutional campaign promises, we’ll see him in court.

Doesn’t help much when it takes the Supreme Court four years to let you out of a internment camp.

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Charles Johnson  Nov 9, 2016 • 9:20:16am
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Anymouse  Nov 9, 2016 • 9:20:38am

re: #255 Rocky-in-Connecticut

I disagree. I would like to see them try it. Let the start of a Trump legacy be a giant sh*tshow on full public display, revealing the pure cynical politics being unleashed upon the American People. This whole era of Stupid needs to be exposed and documented for history.

My bet is, the whole thing is dropped by Republicans it order for “more important things to do”- like gut Medicare and get rid of all environmental regulations as promised.

They want their kangaroo court. Bet on it.

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Joe Bacon  Nov 9, 2016 • 9:21:11am

re: #251 Anymouse

Aerodynamic intercourse. LOL. Susan Sarandon got hers, she doesn’t care about others. That makes her a libertarian, regardless of what she claims to care about others.

Everything that goes right is from conservatives, everything that is wrong is liberal policy.

Friend I hope I got you to laugh. As for me, I’m glad I’m an old man. RA and diabetes are taking their toll on me. I’ll continue to work at Social Security until Trump, Ryan and McConell shut us down. After that it will probably be a gig at McDonald’s with no health insurance…

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lockjawcanbefun  Nov 9, 2016 • 9:21:11am
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Edge of a dream AKA Cankles Mccellulite  Nov 9, 2016 • 9:21:12am

re: #256 Anymouse

I didn’t choose that. And the correct name of this state is Nebraska not flyover.

Marco Rubio (not in a flyover state) noted in his acceptance speech one of his “targets” will be academia. Think about that.

The purge of education is coming.

I know. Sigh. Rubio. Don’t remind me.

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Edge of a dream AKA Cankles Mccellulite  Nov 9, 2016 • 9:23:40am

re: #262 Edge of a dream AKA Cankles Mccellulite

I know. Sigh. Rubio. Don’t remind me.

I know you mean well. but the wounds are oh so fresh. And I’m usually tough Hahaha.

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Joe Bacon  Nov 9, 2016 • 9:23:58am

re: #255 Rocky-in-Connecticut

I disagree. I would like to see them try it. Let the start of a Trump legacy be a giant sh*tshow on full public display, revealing the pure cynical politics being unleashed upon the American People. This whole era of Stupid needs to be exposed and documented for history.

My bet is, the whole thing is dropped by Republicans it order for “more important things to do”- like gut Medicare and get rid of all environmental regulations as promised.

Nope. That’s coming down the pike. Putin will sit back and munch the popcorn when Trump does an homage to Stalin with Giuliani prosecuting the Clintons and Obamas.

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We're Way Beyond Snark  Nov 9, 2016 • 9:24:57am

re: #29 S’latch

I completely agree. But any political campaign has the responsibility for getting their voters out. Did this campaign let itself get sucker-punched by the polls that suggested they didn’t need to worry about turnout? I need to know. They need to know. We need to learn something.

Are you joking? I’ve spent the last few weeks doing just that — and if you had looked online, you would have seen opportunities to join us all over the map. Run by the Hillary Clinton campaign.

I don’t curse people out on this site, but you tempt me.

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Anymouse  Nov 9, 2016 • 9:25:02am

re: #260 Joe Bacon

Friend I hope I got you to laugh. As for me, I’m glad I’m an old man. RA and diabetes are taking their toll on me. I’ll continue to work at Social Security until Trump, Ryan and McConell shut us down. After that it will probably be a gig at McDonald’s with no health insurance…

Yeah, I actually got a hoot out of “aerodynamic intercourse.” Mind if I steal that with appropriate citation?

About the only thing I ever liked about Senator Ted Cruz was when he used the term “rodent copulation” to refer what the Trump campaign did to him in Iowa.

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Myron Falwell (no relation)  Nov 9, 2016 • 9:25:05am

re: #256 Anymouse

I didn’t choose that. And the correct name of this state is Nebraska not flyover.

Marco Rubio (not in a flyover state) noted in his acceptance speech one of his “targets” will be academia. Think about that.

The purge of education is coming.

Rubio’s actually going to DO SOMETHING? That’s a true nightmare right there.

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Dave In Austin  Nov 9, 2016 • 9:26:22am
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Edge of a dream AKA Cankles Mccellulite  Nov 9, 2016 • 9:27:11am

re: #267 Myron Falwell (no relation)

He’s actually going to DO SOMETHING? That’s a true nightmare right there.

I think it was Will Rogers who said “Do not complain when your politicians don’t seem to do anything. It is when they do try to do something that you need to start to worry”

Is that correct?

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Tigger2  Nov 9, 2016 • 9:27:22am

re: #226 Scottishdragon

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Barefoot Grin  Nov 9, 2016 • 9:27:25am

Trump’s candidacy didn’t usher in anti-intellectualism, but sure seems to have put a crown on it.

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Joe Bacon  Nov 9, 2016 • 9:27:43am

re: #266 Anymouse

Yeah, I actually got a hoot out of “aerodynamic intercourse.” Mind if I steal that with appropriate citation?

Oh friend, help yourself. I know that the Bible Police won’t approve of the “unsanitized” version.

About the only thing I ever liked about Senator Ted Cruz was when he used the term “rodent copulation” to refer what the Trump campaign did to him in Iowa.

Ted Cruz will do a lot of rodent copulating when Trump puts him on the Supreme Court to replace Scalia…

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Anymouse  Nov 9, 2016 • 9:28:09am

According to Kitco, the Mexican Peso is now up 7.95% against the US Dollar… .

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Edge of a dream AKA Cankles Mccellulite  Nov 9, 2016 • 9:28:50am

re: #273 Anymouse

According to Kitco, the Mexican Peso is now up 7.95% against the US Dollar… .

WT?

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Scottishdragon  Nov 9, 2016 • 9:29:49am

Let’s see if Obama goes ahead and pardons a few thousand people in prison on bullshit drug charges.

I also hope he commutes Chelsea Manning.

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Myron Falwell (no relation)  Nov 9, 2016 • 9:30:26am
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Anymouse  Nov 9, 2016 • 9:30:35am

re: #274 Edge of a dream AKA Cankles Mccellulite

WT?

The dollar is collapsing on the news of Trump’s win in the election.

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MsJ  Nov 9, 2016 • 9:31:16am

re: #198 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

They threw mud at Dukakis and Kerry and it stuck. They tried it with Obama and it failed.

But their inability to learn paid off: people don’t like Hillary, they threw more mud and it stuck.

With a lot of help from our so called Fourth Estate.

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Belafon  Nov 9, 2016 • 9:31:34am

Remember how people were worried she’d pivot back to the center?

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TedStriker  Nov 9, 2016 • 9:32:29am

re: #278 MsJ

With a lot of help from our so called Fourth Estate.

That turned out to be a Fifth Column.

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danarchy  Nov 9, 2016 • 9:33:11am

re: #229 Thanos

She won approximately 193K more votes but received 48 fewer electoral votes - what that means is that some states have more congress critters than they should based on 2010 census vs 2016 actual demographics, which in turn gives them more electoral votes as well. Until we get that fixed, this is just going to repeat.

Doesn’t mean that at all. It means he won the states he won by small margins while she ran up numbers in places like California and NY. If the margin in california was like the margin in florida but with Clinton winning, Trump would have won the popular vote by millions and had the same number of EVs.

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Anymouse  Nov 9, 2016 • 9:33:25am

re: #274 Edge of a dream AKA Cankles Mccellulite

WT?

Unsurprisingly, the Russian Rouble is up a small amount as well.

So is the South African Rand, and the Japanese Yen.

Our economy will be pummelled before the fascist talking yam even takes office.

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MsJ  Nov 9, 2016 • 9:33:42am

re: #222 KerFuFFler

My stomach has been in knots for hours———I just don’t know how to get my head around this.

I have been a news and political junkie for years. I cannot imagine listening to anything Trump says. Ever. America is not I thought she was. I feel like my home is no more.

I feel like I need to realign my life…my free time…my interests.

I am adrift.

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MsJ  Nov 9, 2016 • 9:34:57am

re: #234 weave

One of the few bright spots of the night for Democrats, so of course they are screaming voter fraud. (redstate).

If only that was the case.

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Nyet  Nov 9, 2016 • 9:36:28am

I know it’s easier for me to say because the Trump effect on me is less immediate than on many of you (though still very real), but yes, we should stick together and not let the bastards get us down. History is still going forward. We’re still on the right side of it even if the road has just gotten 50x bumpier.

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baileylamb  Nov 9, 2016 • 9:36:44am

re: #283 MsJ

Have an Internet hug.

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Anymouse  Nov 9, 2016 • 9:37:28am

re: #281 danarchy

Doesn’t mean that at all. It means he won the states he won by small margins while she ran up numbers in places like California and NY. If the margin in california was like the margin in florida but with Clinton winning, Trump would have one the popular vote by millions and had the same number of EVs.

The problem is not so much the House EV’s it is the Senatorial EV’s.

If it were strictly a popular vote, Wyoming would only have one electoral vote; same with North Dakota. Nebraska would only have three.

Those senatorial EVs add up here in the central part of the country: 2 for OK, 2 for KS, 2 for NE, 2 for SD, 2 for ND, 2 for ID, 2 for MT, 2 for UT, &c &c &c.

There is a built-in disadvantage for liberals as long as Democrats do not address the issues here.

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Thanos  Nov 9, 2016 • 9:37:32am

We’ve go four years to “re-blue” the rust belt and Florida, we can fix this.

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Edge of a dream AKA Cankles Mccellulite  Nov 9, 2016 • 9:38:03am

Omg Bill Maher is going to be must watch tv this week.

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Edge of a dream AKA Cankles Mccellulite  Nov 9, 2016 • 9:38:24am

re: #288 Thanos

We’ve go four years to “re-blue” the rust belt and Florida, we can fix this.

I agree

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Edge of a dream AKA Cankles Mccellulite  Nov 9, 2016 • 9:39:07am

Once I sober up from my very sad attempt of “drinking” I am all in.

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Anymouse  Nov 9, 2016 • 9:40:32am

re: #291 Edge of a dream AKA Cankles Mccellulite

Once I sober up from my very sad attempt of “drinking” I am all in.

Okay then. Two years of drunken licentiousness (as long as that isn’t illegal), the work on the 2018 election (2017 if you live in certain states)

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Joe Bacon  Nov 9, 2016 • 9:40:37am

re: #285 Nyet

Wish I could agree with you but I remember my college history courses. Every time an empire expanded beyond it’s sustainable capacity it collapsed from within. We’re just the latest to do so.

Putin succeeded where Lenin, Stalin, Khrushchev and Brezhnev failed. He’s successfully destabilized the United States. Now he has a blank check to do whatever he pleases.

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Belafon  Nov 9, 2016 • 9:40:40am

re: #283 MsJ

I have been a news and political junkie for years. I cannot imagine listening to anything Trump says. Ever. America is not I thought she was. I feel like my home is no more.

I feel like I need to realign my life…my free time…my interests.

I am adrift.

I’m going to do some cutting back on politics for a little bit (try to only spend 80% of my waking time thinking about it, ok, slight exaggeration), but we have to stay in it. There are a whole lot of people who are going to get hurt by Republican policies (VRA and CRA destroyed; ACA, CHIP, and Medicaid destroyed, Medicare and SS weakened), and I’m not even talking about the stuff Trump might do (allowing some NATO members to be reclaimed by Russia comes to mind).

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danarchy  Nov 9, 2016 • 9:41:25am

re: #287 Anymouse

The problem is not so much the House EV’s it is the Senatorial EV’s.

If it were strictly a popular vote, Wyoming would only have one electoral vote; same with North Dakota. Nebraska would only have three.

Those senatorial EVs add up here in the central part of the country: 2 for OK, 2 for KS, 2 for NE, 2 for SD, 2 for ND, 2 for ID, 2 for MT, 2 for UT, &c &c &c.

There is a built-in disadvantage for liberals as long as Democrats do not address the issues here.

By EVs I meant electoral college votes. Nothing to do with the Senate or House. The disproportianal representation of small states in the senate is a whole other bailiwick. That is what it is and was set out in the constitution as a compromise to actually get a Union in the first place and isn’t likely to change.

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Belafon  Nov 9, 2016 • 9:41:49am

re: #288 Thanos

We’ve go four years to “re-blue” the rust belt and Florida, we can fix this.

Where and how do we start?

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worldknot  Nov 9, 2016 • 9:41:51am

My Uber driver’s name happens to be Godwin.

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Scottishdragon  Nov 9, 2016 • 9:42:03am

re: #276 Myron Falwell (no relation)

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White nationalism is now part of the political landscape and will be for the rest of my life, IMHO.

This cat is not going back into the bag. Slavery and genocide of native Americans are our founding sins, and white America cannot cope with the fact that the hegemony they have held is slowly coming to an end.

Dreher was right about one thing (fuck his alt-right dabbling self), although not exactly as he imagines it:

White identity politics are a reaction to minority identity politics, but white identity created those other identities in the first place.

They only just noticed that their place on top is being threatened.

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Scottishdragon  Nov 9, 2016 • 9:42:58am

re: #293 Joe Bacon

Wish I could agree with you but I remember my college history courses. Every time an empire expanded beyond it’s sustainable capacity it collapsed from within. We’re just the latest to do so.

Putin succeeded where Lenin, Stalin, Khrushchev and Brezhnev failed. He’s successfully destabilized the United States. Now he has a blank check to do whatever he pleases.

I agree we are late stage empire collapse.

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Anymouse  Nov 9, 2016 • 9:43:14am

re: #295 danarchy

By EVs I meant electoral college votes. Nothing to do with the Senate or House. The disproportianal representation of small states in the senate is a whole other bailiwick. That is what it is and was set out in the constitution as a compromise to actually get a Union in the first place and isn’t likely to change.

That’s what I meant. Each state gets one EV for each House district, plus two EV’s for its senators.

Thus, Nebraska with three House districts gets five EV’s. Wyoming with one House district gets three EV’s. Those extra EV’s represent the senators for the state.

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Shiplord Kirel  Nov 9, 2016 • 9:43:14am

Keep up your sense of humor. As the popular meme predicted, Trump was nomimated and there is hell toupee.

Fact is, Trump’s election ushers in a new golden age of political comedy. You couldn’t hope for a more ridiculous political figure if you invented him from scratch. Dan Quayle is Abe Lincoln by comparison.
Is laughter the best medicine? It won’t be a full prescription by any means but it will help. There will be plenty available in any case.

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Targetpractice  Nov 9, 2016 • 9:44:33am

Well, if there’s any good news to be had out of the vote here in VA last night, it’s that the “Right to Work (for as little as possible)” ballot initiative failed. I’m sad to say that I was so busy with the national election that I didn’t even realize that was on the damned ballot until I saw it at the polls. Christ al-fucking-mighty, how did I not hear about that?!

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Belafon  Nov 9, 2016 • 9:44:57am

re: #295 danarchy

By EVs I meant electoral college votes. Nothing to do with the Senate or House. The disproportianal representation of small states in the senate is a whole other bailiwick. That is what it is and was set out in the constitution as a compromise to actually get a Union in the first place and isn’t likely to change.

What we need is about a million Californians to move to Utah, and some of those in New England to move into other states.

I can tell you, as a Texan, how much at times I would like to live in a state where someone represents my interests.

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Archangelus  Nov 9, 2016 • 9:45:20am

Trump voted in office without the popular vote and with just a quarter of the public’s support - but wait and hear how they’ll all be screamin’ about how they “have a mandate”…

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MsJ  Nov 9, 2016 • 9:45:23am

re: #294 Belafon

I’m going to do some cutting back on politics for a little bit (try to only spend 80% of my waking time thinking about it, ok, slight exaggeration), but we have to stay in it. There are a whole lot of people who are going to get hurt by Republican policies (VRA and CRA destroyed; ACA, CHIP, and Medicaid destroyed, Medicare and SS weakened), and I’m not even talking about the stuff Trump might do (allowing some NATO members to be reclaimed by Russia comes to mind).

Oh, I am not giving up. I will never vote GOP ever, for anything, even if the democrats became the most corrupt people on earth. I will continue to donate to democrats and do what I can to help get them elected.

I just have no desire for the minutiae any longer. At this point, I don’t care what the issue, policy or cause. I am democrat no matter what. Republicans are evil fucking scum sucking parasitic assholes who do not deserve what this country has given them. I would say more about how I feel about republicans but I would get banned.

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Anymouse  Nov 9, 2016 • 9:45:43am

re: #302 Targetpractice

Well, if there’s any good news to be had out of the vote here in VA last night, it’s that the “Right to Work (for as little as possible)” ballot initiative failed. I’m sad to say that I was so busy with the national election that I didn’t even realize that was on the damned ballot until I saw it at the polls. Christ al-fucking-mighty, how did I not hear about that?!

Congratulations. Perhaps Virginia is turning more to progressive thought than when I lived in Virginia Beach in the Eighties and Nineties?

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Bass Reeves  Nov 9, 2016 • 9:46:55am

re: #300 Anymouse

Brother, do me a favor. Tell me what concerns your neighbors that the Democrats aren’t addressing that isn’t rooted in bigotry of some kind. Not being facetious, but you say ‘address their concerns’, but I don’t know what their concerns are. Because it sure as fuck ain’t the economy or the military industrial complex.

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Belafon  Nov 9, 2016 • 9:47:12am

re: #306 Anymouse

Congratulations. Perhaps Virginia is turning more to progressive thought than when I lived in Virginia Beach in the Eighties and Nineties?

The fact that Virginia stayed blue in this wave is a good sign.

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lockjawcanbefun  Nov 9, 2016 • 9:47:17am

And if you’re thinking of coming to Canada to get away, take a minute to meet one of the charming candidates for Conservative party leader.

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Targetpractice  Nov 9, 2016 • 9:47:47am

re: #306 Anymouse

Congratulations. Perhaps Virginia is turning more to progressive thought than when I lived in Virginia Beach in the Eighties and Nineties?

It lost by less than 200K votes, so I wouldn’t pop those champaign corks just yet.

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nines09  Nov 9, 2016 • 9:48:09am

It’s going to take some time for me to sort my thoughts. I’m very angry with a lot of people. Very upset. The media is a joke. The TV is a farce. Cable is fucking poison. The GOP has the best hate and smear machine ever built and it just got bigger. The fight has just begun. Fuck the GOP. I have to remind myself that what looked like a new beginning wasn’t, and what looked like the end of the world wasn’t either. Trump will have a hard time, in fact will be unable to do, what he promised. Let’s work towards midterms. Trump lied his ass off. His supporters are about to discover that.

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Belafon  Nov 9, 2016 • 9:48:15am

re: #309 lockjawcanbefun

And if you’re thinking of coming to Canada to get away, take a minute to meet one of the charming candidates for Conservative party leader.

I am kind of wondering if our global corporation experiment is starting to reap what it has sewn.

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Scottishdragon  Nov 9, 2016 • 9:48:46am
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Pawn of the Oppressor  Nov 9, 2016 • 9:49:01am

I wish some of the electors would break faith. It would be nice to have a check and balance against abject stupidity like this. I don’t think the Founders foresaw all three branches controlled by one party.

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wrenchwench  Nov 9, 2016 • 9:49:20am

re: #285 Nyet

I know it’s easier for me to say because the Trump effect on me is less immediate than on many of you (though still very real), but yes, we should stick together and not let the bastards get us down. History is still going forward. We’re still on the right side of it even if the road has just gotten 50x bumpier.

I feel like we took two steps forward (Obama’s 2 terms), and now one step off the roof. I felt like history started going backwards, but you’re right, forward it goes. I remember my brother (who lives in Berlin, but was visiting here) said to the Bernie volunteer, when she said, ‘If he [Bernie] doesn’t win the primary, we need a violent revolution…’ my brother said, ‘History is long…’

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Anymouse  Nov 9, 2016 • 9:49:49am

re: #307 Bass Reeves

Brother, do me a favor. Tell me what concerns your neighbors that the Democrats aren’t addressing that isn’t rooted in bigotry of some kind. Not being facetious, but you say ‘address their concerns’, but I don’t know what their concerns are. Because it sure as fuck ain’t the economy or the military industrial complex.

Agriculture. Loss of jobs. Lack of opportunity. That good for a start?

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Scottishdragon  Nov 9, 2016 • 9:49:53am
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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Nov 9, 2016 • 9:50:12am

re: #306 Anymouse

Congratulations. Perhaps Virginia is turning more to progressive thought than when I lived in Virginia Beach in the Eighties and Nineties?

The Virginia that is voting Democratic is Northern Virginia. They are more closely tied to the DC, MD bloc and arent really really related to the rest of VA.

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Dr Lizardo  Nov 9, 2016 • 9:50:30am

re: #311 nines09

The GOP has the best hate and smear machine ever built and it just got bigger.

Somewhere in Hell, Joseph Goebbels is high-fiving Lee Atwater.

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Thanos  Nov 9, 2016 • 9:50:34am

re: #296 Belafon

Where and how do we start?

I would start with retirees in FL - that St Petersburg vs Tampa split should not have been there….

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Tigger2  Nov 9, 2016 • 9:51:01am

Trumps America has already started.

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Weaselone  Nov 9, 2016 • 9:51:19am

re: #293 Joe Bacon

Wish I could agree with you but I remember my college history courses. Every time an empire expanded beyond it’s sustainable capacity it collapsed from within. We’re just the latest to do so.

Putin succeeded where Lenin, Stalin, Khrushchev and Brezhnev failed. He’s successfully destabilized the United States. Now he has a blank check to do whatever he pleases.

I don’t think that’s actually true. I believe that Putin might think it’s true, but Trump’s likely to turn on Putin the instant Putin crosses him and not necessarily in the way Putin predicts. Whatever Putin has on him, Trump now has the upper hand and he’s not going to suffer a loss of face, or allow himself to look weak just because Putin’s the opposing party.

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Targetpractice  Nov 9, 2016 • 9:51:19am

re: #318 Le Lapin Tueur

The Virginia that is voting Democratic is Northern Virginia. They are more closely tied to the DC, MD bloc and arent really really related to the rest of VA.

Ayep. Think of it as a leftover from the same force that created West Virginia. The northern half of the state is the most liberal portion. Cut it away and the only liberal conclave would center around Richmond. The rest of the state is as deep red as any Southern state you wish to name.

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Franklin  Nov 9, 2016 • 9:51:32am

re: #224 ObserverArt

All those LGF members that are hinting they may not stick around on this great site…can I ask you to stay?

Great request.

For anyone that needs to take a mental break, take it. But please come back.

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Citizen K  Nov 9, 2016 • 9:51:41am

re: #315 wrenchwench

I feel like we took two steps forward (Obama’s 2 terms), and now one step off the roof. I felt like history started going backwards, but you’re right, forward it goes. I remember my brother (who lives in Berlin, but was visiting here) said to the Bernie volunteer, when she said, ‘If he [Bernie] doesn’t win the primary, we need a violent revolution…’ my brother said, ‘History is long…’

My fear is that after those two steps forward, we go 10 steps back as Trump’s administration erases all the gains of the Obama terms and moreso. ACA gone, LGBT marriage threatened, Social Security wiped, etc. Not to mention making it official that Climate Change will be treated as a grand hoax by those with every single lever of power in this country.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 9, 2016 • 9:52:25am

I’m on my work break, sobered up, and just numb by this all. I’m so disappointed in our country. Hiw could we do this?

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Myron Falwell (no relation)  Nov 9, 2016 • 9:52:48am

re: #311 nines09

I have to remend myself that what looked like a new beginning wasn’t, and what looked like the end of the world wasn’t either. Trump will have a hard time, in fact will be unable to do, what he promised. Let’s work towards midterms. Trump lied his ass off. His supporters are about to discover that.

It’s going to be a formidable task, especially with total domination on all three branches of government, though.

“Nothing is given, everything is earned.” - LeBron James

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scottslemmons  Nov 9, 2016 • 9:53:04am

Here’s something else that’s may be a dumb thing to be concerned about, but I am anyway…

What happens to entertainment in a post-Trump world? Strides have been taken into a more progressive, diverse world within film, TV, book publishing, comics, and gaming. Will the higher-ups decide that the election means it’s time to dump entertainment for women, gays, and people of color in order to focus on the desires of Trumpers?

Will women action heroes in movies become a thing of the past? Will science fiction publishing let neo-nazis like Vox Day become the new standard bearers? Will comics publishers abandon characters like Ms. Marvel, Moon Girl, Cyborg, Thor, Midnighter, Miles Morales, Batgirl, Black Panther, and the Lumberjanes to appease people who want all white male superheroes?

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Targetpractice  Nov 9, 2016 • 9:53:30am

re: #322 Weaselone

I don’t think that’s actually true. I believe that Putin might think it’s true, but Trump’s likely to turn on Putin the instant Putin crosses him and not necessarily in the way Putin predicts. Whatever Putin has on him, Trump now has the upper hand and he’s not going to suffer a loss of face, or allow himself to look weak just because Putin’s the opposing party.

If the rumors of Putin catching Trump in a honey pot are true, then he’s got Trump by the balls. The GOP might not be willing to impeach Trump for a lot of things, but catching him in a live boy/dead girl situation would be pretty much the one exception.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 9, 2016 • 9:54:03am

re: #321 Tigger2

Not different from what happened in the U.K after Brexit. This is why I’m sad. I’m disappointed for Hillary who worked her ass off in politics for many years but I’m sad for kids who no doubt will be bullied more now.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 9, 2016 • 9:54:45am

re: #328 scottslemmons

Here’s something else that’s may be a dumb thing to be concerned about, but I am anyway…

What happens to entertainment in a post-Trump world? Strides have been taken into a more progressive, diverse world within film, TV, book publishing, comics, and gaming. Will the higher-ups decide that the election means it’s time to dump entertainment for women, gays, and people of color in order to focus on the desires of Trumpers?

Will women action heroes in movies become a thing of the past? Will science fiction publishing let neo-nazis like Vox Day become the new standard bearers? Will comics publishers abandon characters like Ms. Marvel, Moon Girl, Cyborg, Thor, Midnighter, Miles Morales, Batgirl, Black Panther, and the Lumberjanes to appease people who want all white male superheroes?

That’s not dumb.

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Anymouse  Nov 9, 2016 • 9:54:48am

Educational opportunities.
Jobs.
Improving Social Security.

(On these three, I am not saying Democrats do not have plans; I am saying they do not relate them to the people who live here. People who live here believe the GOP that privatising education and Social Security is a good thing.)

I live in a town that is nearly a quarter veterans. You know what veterans seem to think here? That Democrats do not care about them. A lot of that is GOP sludge. So why aren’t Democrats countering that? Oh right, they didn’t even run anyone for my House district. I never saw a 100% win for a House candidate before.

Maybe if the Dems bothered to send people to campaign in my state (where were you Mrs. Clinton, Mr. Kaine, Mr. or Mrs. Obama, Mr. Sanders, Mrs. Warren, &c) perhaps someone might listen.

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Targetpractice  Nov 9, 2016 • 9:54:50am

re: #326 HappyWarrior

I’m on my work break, sobered up, and just numb by this all. I’m so disappointed in our country. Hiw could we do this?

Appealing to the worst in people and saying those who oppose you are opposed to America.

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Archangelus  Nov 9, 2016 • 9:54:54am

re: #311 nines09

It’s going to take some time for me to sort my thoughts. I’m very angry with a lot of people. Very upset. The media is a joke. The TV is a farce. Cable is fucking poison. The GOP has the best hate and smear machine ever built and it just got bigger. The fight has just begun. Fuck the GOP. I have to remind myself that what looked like a new beginning wasn’t, and what looked like the end of the world wasn’t either. Trump will have a hard time, in fact will be unable to do, what he promised. Let’s work towards midterms. Trump lied his ass off. His supporters are about to discover that.

Preach it.

The midterms need to be addressed by the Democratic party with a “no holds barred” mindset - the party needs to be merciless and not only secure its own seats in the senate and in congress but unseat as many of the 8 GOP senate chairs that are up and as many GOP’s congress chairs as humanly possible. Ironically, this might actually be easier after having lost the election IMHO, as it’ll make it, in theory, easier to go on the offensive. The GOP will find itself needing to defend the effects of a tRump presidency and government - which we can safely assume will not be an easy task for them…

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electrotek  Nov 9, 2016 • 9:55:56am

I’m sorry for this but I am a broken man in ways this tweet alone can not even comprehend fully:

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HappyWarrior  Nov 9, 2016 • 9:56:48am

re: #333 Targetpractice

Appealing to the worst in people and saying those who oppose you are opposed to America.

It was rhetorical I guess. I’m doing the best I can. I’m gonna start free writing again. Need my creative juices.

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Nov 9, 2016 • 9:57:32am

re: #328 scottslemmons

No. SciFi/fantasy and comic writers are, in general, progressive in their thinking.they have to be, or they aren’t in the genre. Vox is just a horrible person, despised by the authors that he purports to be a member of.

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ObserverArt  Nov 9, 2016 • 9:58:10am

re: #227 Joe Bacon

Honestly, if someone puts a secession referendum on the 2018 California ballot, I am at the point where I would vote Yes…

Okay…I gathered myself up a bit to come back to the thread.

Joe, I certainly understand your frustration. You have very obviously suffered a great loss for this country.

But, are you thinking of building your own wall? Are you basically admitting that we that don’t live on the coasts and are in “fly over country” are worthy of being alone and isolated from the rest of our liberal/progressive/Democratic brothers and sisters? I voted for Hillary. Columbus Ohio voted for Hillary. I don’t want to help feed the left coast, right coast fly over middle thinking. That is how countries/nations fall apart. That is how great societies fall and dark ages are created.

That is in a way like saying it was okay for Poland to fall to the Nazis…so long as you can keep them away from you. What about all those people that were trapped because they couldn’t escape?

Please…people…secession is not the answer. It is giving up the fight. It is allowing good people to be overrun whether physically or mentally.

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Romantic Heretic  Nov 9, 2016 • 9:58:15am

re: #26 freetoken

Duty is a concept that has been placed in opposition to freedom. It is widely believed a free person has no duty.

Last night displayed the results of that belief.

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Targetpractice  Nov 9, 2016 • 9:58:19am

re: #335 electrotek

I’m sorry for this but I am a broken man in ways this tweet alone can not even comprehend:

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Groups like Da’esh must be over the moon right now. They have received the biggest recruitment boost they could have dreamed of. An administration just got elected that pretty much says America is at war with Islam. Its electorate has legitimized hatred of Islam and plans to ostracize those who practice it. They’ve just been guaranteed at least 4 years of willing recruits.

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Anymouse  Nov 9, 2016 • 9:59:13am

re: #329 Targetpractice

If the rumors of Putin catching Trump in a honey pot are true, then he’s got Trump by the balls. The GOP might not be willing to impeach Trump for a lot of things, but catching him in a live boy/dead girl situation would be pretty much the one exception.

Why would they care about live boy/dead girl situation? They already don’t care his wife was a nude model or he cheated on each of his first two wives. They didn’t care about Dennis Hastert until he was convicted and they still think it’s a frame up.

They care about power. That is all. They have God on their side, with every evangelical preacher and televangelist telling their voters that liberals are the devil and are going to gay marry their children after forcing them through the abortionplex.

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Myron Falwell (no relation)  Nov 9, 2016 • 10:00:04am

re: #328 scottslemmons

Here’s something else that’s may be a dumb thing to be concerned about, but I am anyway…

What happens to entertainment in a post-Trump world? Strides have been taken into a more progressive, diverse world within film, TV, book publishing, comics, and gaming. Will the higher-ups decide that the election means it’s time to dump entertainment for women, gays, and people of color in order to focus on the desires of Trumpers?

Will women action heroes in movies become a thing of the past? Will science fiction publishing let neo-nazis like Vox Day become the new standard bearers? Will comics publishers abandon characters like Ms. Marvel, Moon Girl, Cyborg, Thor, Midnighter, Miles Morales, Batgirl, Black Panther, and the Lumberjanes to appease people who want all white male superheroes?

Shit, Mike Pence railed against Mulan because the main character was a female.

And don’t forget that AT&T is trying to buy out DC Comics/TimeWarner. Large entities control the vast majority of information delivery now.

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Dr Lizardo  Nov 9, 2016 • 10:00:22am

re: #341 Anymouse

Why would they care about live boy/dead girl situation? They already don’t care his wife was a nude model or he cheated on each of his first two wives. They didn’t care about Dennis Hastert until he was convicted and they still think it’s a frame up.

They care about power. That is all. They have God on their side, with every evangelical preacher and televangelist telling their voters that liberals are the devil and are going to gay marry their children after forcing them through the abortionplex.

The evangelicals worship not God, but power and all that comes with it.

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Dr. Matt  Nov 9, 2016 • 10:00:22am

Take home message: When Democrats/Americans stay home, Republicans get elected. Too many left-minded folks have miserably short memories.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Nov 9, 2016 • 10:00:30am

re: #224 ObserverArt

Yes, we need to stick together!

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electrotek  Nov 9, 2016 • 10:01:00am

re: #340 Targetpractice

Groups like Da’esh must be over the moon right now. They have received the biggest recruitment boost they could have dreamed of. An administration just got elected that pretty much says America is at war with Islam. Its electorate has legitimized hatred of Islam and plans to ostracize those who practice it. They’ve just been guaranteed at least 4 years of willing recruits.

And will bring more Anders Breivik’s of Europe out in the open.

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Anymouse  Nov 9, 2016 • 10:01:23am

re: #338 ObserverArt

Okay…I gathered myself up a bit to come back to the thread.

Joe, I certainly understand your frustration. You have very obviously suffered a great loss for this country.

But, are you thinking of building your own wall? Are you basically admitting that we that don’t live on the coasts and are in “fly over country” are worthy of being alone and isolated from the rest of our liberal/progressive/Democratic brothers and sisters? I voted for Hillary. Columbus Ohio voted for Hillary. I don’t want to help feed the left coast, right coast fly over middle thinking. That is how countries/nations fall apart. That is how great societies fall and dark ages are created.

That is in a way like saying it was okay for Poland to fall to the Nazis…so long as you can keep them away from you. What about all those people that were trapped because they couldn’t escape?

Please…people…secession is not the answer. It is giving up the fight. It is allowing good people to be overrun whether physically or mentally.

In the XIX Century, it would be leaving the slaves to the overseers. And I can relate to the Poland issue personally, because that is exactly what happened.

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Targetpractice  Nov 9, 2016 • 10:01:48am

re: #341 Anymouse

Why would they care about live boy/dead girl situation? They already don’t care his wife was a nude model or he cheated on each of his first two wives. They didn’t care about Dennis Hastert until he was convicted and they still think it’s a frame up.

They care about power. That is all. They have God on their side, with every evangelical preacher and televangelist telling their voters that liberals are the devil and are going to gay marry their children after forcing them through the abortionplex.

Because this election was a marriage of convenience at its core. Trump is not the guy the evangelicals wanted, he’s the guy they settled for because they had no good alternative and they hated Hillary with a fiery passion. You look at some of the remarks they made before yesterday and you realize they weren’t voting for Trump, they were voting for Pence. If they can run Herr Trumpenfuhrer out on a rail and get President Pence, they’ll gladly jump on the bandwagon.

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Romantic Heretic  Nov 9, 2016 • 10:02:12am

re: #37 Eclectic Cyborg

The bill is not going to be in money though.

It will be in pain, blood and bodies.

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Anymouse  Nov 9, 2016 • 10:02:22am

re: #343 Dr Lizardo

The evangelicals worship not God, but power and all that comes with it.

And I bet you won’t see any Methodists, Lutherans, Presbyterians, or any others calling them out, marching in the streets, or whatnot.

They are Fifth Columnists.

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wrenchwench  Nov 9, 2016 • 10:02:45am

re: #325 Kryptik: Just Done With It.

My fear is that after those two steps forward, we go 10 steps back as Trump’s administration erases all the gains of the Obama terms and moreso. ACA gone, LGBT marriage threatened, Social Security wiped, etc. Not to mention making it official that Climate Change will be treated as a grand hoax by those with every single lever of power in this country.

Yep.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 9, 2016 • 10:03:10am

re: #344 Dr. Matt

Take home message: When Democrats/Americans stay home, Republicans get elected. Too many left-minded folks have miserably short memories.

Too many of them are also spoiled as shit when it comes to ideology. If you’re not 100% pure then you’re a DINO. And then there are the Joe Manchins of the world who do everything possible to distance themselves from the party but then want donors money come election time.

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Barefoot Grin  Nov 9, 2016 • 10:04:13am

re: #335 electrotek

I’m sorry for this but I am a broken man in ways this tweet alone can not even comprehend fully:

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My friend Ashraf tweeted: “Allah, why have you done this when we can’t get drunk?” I don’t think he was trying to be funny.

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Targetpractice  Nov 9, 2016 • 10:04:18am

re: #346 electrotek

And will bring more Anders Breivik’s of Europe out in the open.

We worried for months that a Trump loss would mean a spasm of violence and anger from wingnuts. Now we have a bigger worry, which is that his victory means that the hatred and bile have been legitimized. How do we argue that America doesn’t approve of violence and hatred towards minorities when the guy who ran on such a platform sits in the White House?

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dlnathan  Nov 9, 2016 • 10:04:32am

re: #338 ObserverArt

Nothing lasts forever. Nations live and die.
I believe California will have a secession vote.
It will pass.
Afterwards..

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Stanley Sea  Nov 9, 2016 • 10:04:40am

re: #321 Tigger2

Trumps America has already started.

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lawhawk  Nov 9, 2016 • 10:05:22am

re: #344 Dr. Matt

Take home message: When Democrats/Americans stay home, Republicans get elected. Too many left-minded folks have miserably short memories.

When you gut the VRA and make it tougher for people to vote, you get what we had last night. The states with VRA restrictions enacted since the Court ruled?

Alabama, Arizona, Indiana, Kansas, Mississippi, Nebraska, New Hampshire, Ohio, Rhode Island, South Carolina, Tennessee, Texas, Virginia, and Wisconsin.

Notice a trend there? A whole lot of red state country, and lots of voters frozen out.

Don’t think that wasn’t on purpose. Clinton overcame this in NH, RI, and VA, but got screwed everywhere else.

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Targetpractice  Nov 9, 2016 • 10:05:23am

re: #352 HappyWarrior

Too many of them are also spoiled as shit when it comes to ideology. If you’re not 100% pure then you’re a DINO. And then there are the Joe Manchins of the world who do everything possible to distance themselves from the party but then want donors money come election time.

Joe “I’m gonna be a Republican if the Senate is tied” Manchin?

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Edge of a dream AKA Cankles Mccellulite  Nov 9, 2016 • 10:05:26am

re: #309 lockjawcanbefun

And if you’re thinking of coming to Canada to get away, take a minute to meet one of the charming candidates for Conservative party leader.

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Anti Canadian Values? I thought Canadian Values were “Be super sweet and be super smart”. Am I missing something??

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Belafon  Nov 9, 2016 • 10:05:56am

re: #354 Targetpractice

We worried for months that a Trump loss would mean a spasm of violence and anger from wingnuts. Now we have a bigger worry, which is that his victory means that the hatred and bile have been legitimized. How do we argue that America doesn’t approve of violence and hatred towards minorities when the guy who ran on such a platform sits in the White House?

re: #356 Stanley Sea

The real lesson of Brexit.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 9, 2016 • 10:06:11am

re: #358 Targetpractice

Joe “I’m gonna be a Republican if the Senate is tied” Manchin?

Yeah.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 9, 2016 • 10:07:16am

re: #359 Edge of a dream AKA Cankles Mccellulite

Anti Canadian Values? I thought Canadian Values were “Be super sweet and be super smart”. Am I missing something??

We thought the Brits were better than too then came Brexit.

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Anymouse  Nov 9, 2016 • 10:07:16am

Every Christian church that is not calling out Evangelicals and such for the Pharisees they are, are enablers.

The history of religion is it always, ALWAYS, enables its worst elements. The evangelicals can find support for anything they want in the Bible, and the rest will not call themselves out on it.

It is something of an amazement that it was the Baptists that insisted on the Establishment Clause (back when they were weak and unable to stave off the Congregational Church - the Puritans). Now that the Baptists are strong, they want theocracy.

Don’t think for a minute that Methodists or Lutherans or Presbyterians wouldn’t do the exact same. They all would, because their faith is based on authoritarianism. There is no religion that is not at its core authoritarian.

That is why you won’t see (except perhaps a tiny fantastic minority) protesting this. All of them, every one, enables them.

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lockjawcanbefun  Nov 9, 2016 • 10:08:44am

re: #359 Edge of a dream AKA Cankles Mccellulite

Be white. Be Christian. Speak English. French is OK if you’ll vote for us.

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Anymouse  Nov 9, 2016 • 10:09:24am

re: #355 dlnathan

Nothing lasts forever. Nations live and die.
I believe California will have a secession vote.
It will pass.
Afterwards..

California does not have an army. It does not have a navy. Such a vote would doom the state to destruction far worse than the Civil War (the weapons are much better today).

A few cruise missiles into the centres of LA and San Francisco and you’re done.

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Targetpractice  Nov 9, 2016 • 10:09:38am

re: #360 Belafon

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The real lesson of Brexit.

Ayep. The racists, the bigots, the worst elements of our nation have just seen their ideologies legitimized for at least 4 years. You can’t stuff that genie back in the bottle. The Bundys won’t have to stage any more “occupations,” as you can be sure that the new Congress is now going to seriously entertain “giving back” that land to the states to sell to the highest bidder.

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S'latch  Nov 9, 2016 • 10:10:15am

re: #265 Snarknado!

I totally understand your anger at me. I was not involved with Hillary Clinton’s GOTV campaign. I live in Tennessee where Trump defeated Hillary %61.1 to %34.9 (with %2.8 to Gary Johnson). Nevertheless, I deserve condemnation for seeing the Tennessee GOTV effort as a waste of time. On the other hand, I am employed full-time and a single parent of an 11 year old. So, I did not really know how much GOTV Hillary had going on around the map.

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nines09  Nov 9, 2016 • 10:10:38am

re: #327 Myron Falwell (no relation)

And nothing is forever.

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scottslemmons  Nov 9, 2016 • 10:11:10am

re: #365 Anymouse

California does not have an army. It does not have a navy. Such a vote would doom the state to destruction far worse than the Civil War (the weapons are much better today).

A few cruise missiles into the centres of LA and San Francisco and you’re done.

And Trump would be more than happy to drop some nukes on the West Coast.

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makeitstop  Nov 9, 2016 • 10:12:05am

re: #241 Dave In Austin

LOL!!

That didn’t take long.

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Let the Great Fleecing commence!

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Anymouse  Nov 9, 2016 • 10:12:46am

re: #369 scottslemmons

And Trump would be more than happy to drop some nukes on the West Coast.

That would be the Left Coast.

Do you know just how many people in the middle of the country absolutely hate the “coastal liberal elites?”

You’d have people lining up here to enforce “strict constitutionalism” (you can’t secede), never mind they’ll fly the Dixie Swastika from tanks while they do it.

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Timothy Watson  Nov 9, 2016 • 10:12:54am

re: #265 Snarknado!

Are you joking? I’ve spent the last few weeks doing just that — and if you had looked online, you would have seen opportunities to join us all over the map. Run by the Hillary Clinton campaign.

I don’t curse people out on this site, but you tempt me.

And when you have to pull teeth to get someone to sign up for a single GOTV shift and then they still fucking flake.

Okay, don’t get my started. I am pretty pissed still at this point.

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TedStriker  Nov 9, 2016 • 10:14:46am

re: #355 dlnathan

Nothing lasts forever. Nations live and die.
I believe California will have a secession vote.
It will pass.
Afterwards..

The results of the Civil War were and are clear: we’re in it together, for good or ill.

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Interesting Times  Nov 9, 2016 • 10:15:16am

I just…don’t even understand why “GOTV” has to be a thing (unless we’re talking about people disenfranchised or disadvantaged in some way, e.g. can’t drive).

Were I in the US, I would’ve crawled over a combo of broken glass and hot coals to vote against trump. How the fuck can nearly half of eligible voters be so goddamned apathetic and clueless?? -_-

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Charles Johnson  Nov 9, 2016 • 10:15:43am
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Anymouse  Nov 9, 2016 • 10:16:13am

If California was a state in rebellion, how long would they last with their water cut off from Hoover Dam and their electric grid cut off from the rest of the nation?

The state would fold in three days.

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nines09  Nov 9, 2016 • 10:16:30am

I wonder what all those Trump loving patriots will think when his party tries to shove through a raise in the SS retirement age? How long can Billy swing a rip hammer? Billys dad? Brother? Sis? “You don’t need to goverment telling you what to do.”Nope…. just go away and die.

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Anymouse  Nov 9, 2016 • 10:16:48am

re: #375 Charles Johnson

But but Freeze Peach!

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Targetpractice  Nov 9, 2016 • 10:17:02am

re: #374 Interesting Times

I just…don’t even understand why “GOTV” has to be a thing (unless we’re talking about people disenfranchised or disadvantaged in some way, e.g. can’t drive).

Were I in the US, I would’ve crawled over a combo of broken glass and hot coals to vote against trump. How the fuck can nearly half of eligible voters be so goddamned apathetic and clueless?? -_-

Perhaps we should ask the Bros who insisted that elections are pointless, both parties are the same, and there’s no reason to vote if nothing changes.

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austin_blue  Nov 9, 2016 • 10:17:02am

The English have a term for how I feel right now.

Gobsmacked.

The American people have elected the squash blossom pooh-flinging shit gibbon because half of the electorate stayed home and didn’t vote.

It’s pitiful.

I’m gobsmacked.

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Dr. Matt  Nov 9, 2016 • 10:17:36am

I suppose the one, perhaps, shiny light is that Trump is loyal to no one other than himself. Let us hope that trend continues and he ignores every bullshit promise he made to his loser supporters.

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Anymouse  Nov 9, 2016 • 10:18:28am

re: #381 Dr. Matt

I suppose the one, perhaps, shiny light is that Trump is loyal to no one other than himself. Let us hope that trend continues and he ignores every bullshit promise he made to his loser supporters.

Mike Pence won’t.

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dlnathan  Nov 9, 2016 • 10:19:02am

re: #376 Anymouse

Upon reflection, you’re right.
But the US people doesn’t always make rational decisions.
See Trump

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Dr. Matt  Nov 9, 2016 • 10:19:04am

Drump officially won Michigan by 13K votes. Unbelievable that my birth state is now a red state. I’m so fucking ashamed.

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Myron Falwell (no relation)  Nov 9, 2016 • 10:19:10am

…and THAT’S even if he allows fellow theocrat Mike Pence to be the de facto president.
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Timothy Watson  Nov 9, 2016 • 10:19:24am

re: #374 Interesting Times

I just…don’t even understand why “GOTV” has to be a thing (unless we’re talking about people disenfranchised or disadvantaged in some way, e.g. can’t drive).

Were I in the US, I would’ve crawled over a combo of broken glass and hot coals to vote against trump. How the fuck can nearly half of eligible voters be so goddamned apathetic and clueless?? -_-

Lack of a ride to the polls, no early voting here in Virginia, etc.

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ObserverArt  Nov 9, 2016 • 10:19:50am

re: #301 Shiplord Kirel

Keep up your sense of humor. As the popular meme predicted, Trump was nomimated and there is hell toupee.

Fact is, Trump’s election ushers in a new golden age of political comedy. You couldn’t hope for a more ridiculous political figure if you invented him from scratch. Dan Quayle is Abe Lincoln by comparison.
Is laughter the best medicine? It won’t be a full prescription by any means but it will help. There will be plenty available in any case.

Just as long as there are outlets for it. That is why I am bummed about people thinking of backing away from this site. This is an outlet…as “irrelevant” as it is!

I am getting close to having the bucks to subscribe here finally…it may still take a few weeks, but I am hoping. I am in for the long run, more so than ever.

Heck, with my big ol’ house I am working on (very s-l-o-w-l-y) I may have to turn it into a speak-easy or something…at least I can try to push young artists.

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Edge of a dream AKA Cankles Mccellulite  Nov 9, 2016 • 10:19:56am

Trump supporters were always there. Remember in the 90’s when the Republican party made Rush Limbaugh the unofficial (official) leader of the Republican party?

Ding Ding Ding!

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Anymouse  Nov 9, 2016 • 10:20:23am

re: #384 Dr. Matt

Drump officially won Michigan by 13K votes. Unbelievable that my birth state is now a red state. I’m so fucking ashamed.

I saw the county map for Michigan, Gratiot (my hometown county) went for Trump. Gaa.

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electrotek  Nov 9, 2016 • 10:20:44am

I’m totally fucked because I really have nowhere else to fucking go.

If I go back to Pakistan, I’ll be shot dead for doing the same things I do here when it comes to defending minority groups.

If I go to certain Muslim countries, I’ll be among the first to be arrested, tried, and most likely executed for heresy and deviancy, such as supporting LGBT rights.

I can’t go migrate to another Western country because of my brown skin and Muslim heritage will always be a fucking barrier.

I’ve never been this worried, and petrified about the future until now.

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baileylamb  Nov 9, 2016 • 10:20:51am

re: #382 Anymouse

Tinpot dictators have no need for VPs.

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Myron Falwell (no relation)  Nov 9, 2016 • 10:21:28am

re: #384 Dr. Matt

Drump officially won Michigan by 13K votes. Unbelievable that my birth state is now a red state. I’m so fucking ashamed.

A state with a goddam criminal as governor who’s administration poisoned the drinking water for millions of poor people.

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Targetpractice  Nov 9, 2016 • 10:21:54am

re: #375 Charles Johnson

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When you don’t refute them, you allow the Scarboroughs and the Todds of the nation to argue that they’re just “one side of the coin,” that their arguments are not whacked out lunacy but legitimate arguments that need to be addressed. What we saw this past year was a media that stated that wanting all Muslims banned, illegals rounded up and thrown out, and women crammed back into the home was a rational position that needed to be entertained.

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ObserverArt  Nov 9, 2016 • 10:22:00am

re: #305 MsJ

Oh, I am not giving up. I will never vote GOP ever, for anything, even if the democrats became the most corrupt people on earth. I will continue to donate to democrats and do what I can to help get them elected.

I just have no desire for the minutiae any longer. At this point, I don’t care what the issue, policy or cause. I am democrat no matter what. Republicans are evil fucking scum sucking parasitic assholes who do not deserve what this country has given them. I would say more about how I feel about republicans but I would get banned.

Heh…I get the feeling that within some bounds Charles may let some of that through today. He may be writing a hot page right now!

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Big Beautiful Door  Nov 9, 2016 • 10:22:22am

re: #392 Myron Falwell (no relation)

A state with a goddam criminal as governor who’s administration poisoned the drinking water for millions of poor people.

But they were poisoning those people, so its ok.///

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electrotek  Nov 9, 2016 • 10:22:26am

re: #384 Dr. Matt

Drump officially won Michigan by 13K votes. Unbelievable that my birth state is now a red state. I’m so fucking ashamed.

Don’t forget all the fucking Chaldeans and Albanians in Sterling Heights who voted Trump just because they fucking hate Muslims so much that they’re willing to drag the entire country into the abyss to fulfill their sectarian hatred.

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Anymouse  Nov 9, 2016 • 10:22:33am

re: #391 baileylamb

Tinpot dictators have no need for VPs.

So Pence will oust Trump then?

The US Dollar is continuing to take a beating against foreign currencies according to Kitco.

Glad I don’t have any money to speak of.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Nov 9, 2016 • 10:23:03am

re: #390 electrotek

Same boat here. The Muslim thing blocks me from Europe. My friends are all defiant though.

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Targetpractice  Nov 9, 2016 • 10:23:25am

re: #388 Edge of a dream AKA Cankles Mccellulite

Trump supporters were always there. Remember in the 90’s when the Republican party made Rush Limbaugh the unofficial (official) leader of the Republican party?

Ding Ding Ding!

Don’t have to go that far back. Wasn’t even a decade ago that Michael Steele basically told people that Limbaugh didn’t speak for the party, Limbaugh called for Steele’s head, and Steele immediately apologized and groveled at Limbaugh’s feet.

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The Ghost of a Flea  Nov 9, 2016 • 10:23:33am

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Anymouse  Nov 9, 2016 • 10:23:44am

re: #393 Targetpractice

When you don’t refute them, you allow the Scarboroughs and the Todds of the nation to argue that they’re just “one side of the coin,” that their arguments are not whacked out lunacy but legitimate arguments that need to be addressed. What we saw this past year was a media that stated that wanting all Muslims banned, illegals rounded up and thrown out, and women crammed back into the home was a rational position that needed to be entertained.

Yup, and I got called out earlier today for claiming that there were “magic balance fairy” arguments being made. Both-siderism is real (see Susan Sarandon and company).

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GlutenFreeJesus  Nov 9, 2016 • 10:23:44am

At least 2 years. Most likely 4… of unfettered Republican rule of this country. Anything that goes bad. It’s all on them. And on us to reverse course.

I just wonder how many generations it will take to fix this.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Nov 9, 2016 • 10:24:14am

re: #402 GlutenFreeJesus

2 or 3.

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baileylamb  Nov 9, 2016 • 10:24:24am

re: #397 Anymouse

So Pence will oust Trump then?

The US Dollar is continuing to take a beating against foreign currencies according to Kitco.

Glad I don’t have any money to speak of.

I see Ivanka becoming VP at some point.

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Targetpractice  Nov 9, 2016 • 10:24:35am

re: #392 Myron Falwell (no relation)

A state with a goddam criminal as governor who’s administration poisoned the drinking water for millions of poor people.

Has now just elected a president who will look at that and argue that the people of Flint should have moved when they saw the water was toxic, as the state was just doing the “smart” thing by trying to save a buck.

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Dr. Matt  Nov 9, 2016 • 10:24:51am

re: #396 electrotek

Don’t forget all the fucking Chaldeans and Albanians in Sterling Heights who voted Trump just because they fucking hate Muslims so much that they’re willing to drag the entire country into the abyss to fulfill their sectarian hatred.

The average white Drump loser wouldn’t be able to tell the difference between a Muslim, a Chaldean, and an Albanian.

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electrotek  Nov 9, 2016 • 10:25:44am

re: #406 Dr. Matt

The average white Drump loser wouldn’t be able to tell the difference between a Muslim, a Chaldean, and an Albanian.

Let alone a Mexican. Many Chaldeans look pretty Latino yet they would still vote for a serial rapist like Trump.

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Anymouse  Nov 9, 2016 • 10:26:43am

re: #390 electrotek

I’m totally fucked because I really have nowhere else to fucking go.

If I go back to Pakistan, I’ll be shot dead for doing the same things I do here when it comes to defending minority groups.

If I go to certain Muslim countries, I’ll be among the first to be arrested, tried, and most likely executed for heresy and deviancy, such as supporting LGBT rights.

I can’t go migrate to another Western country because of my brown skin and Muslim heritage will always be a fucking barrier.

I’ve never been this worried, and petrified about the future until now.

Well, if it’s any comfort, they’ll come after we atheists too.

Who’d’ve thought that atheists and Muslims would be in common cause in the USA to protect freedom of religious belief?

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Kragar  Nov 9, 2016 • 10:26:53am
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Edge of a dream AKA Cankles Mccellulite  Nov 9, 2016 • 10:27:15am

re: #405 Targetpractice

Has now just elected a president who will look at that and argue that the people of Flint should have moved when they saw the water was toxic, as the state was just doing the “smart” thing by trying to save a buck.

OMG do you seriously want me to become an alcoholic? Have mercy, baby girl!

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electrotek  Nov 9, 2016 • 10:27:36am

re: #408 Anymouse

Well, if it’s any comfort, they’ll come after we atheists too.

Who’d’ve thought that atheists and Muslims would be in common cause in the USA to protect freedom of religious belief?

But certain Islamophobic atheists like Sam Harris or Richard Dawkins can’t grasp that.

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Belafon  Nov 9, 2016 • 10:28:04am

re: #402 GlutenFreeJesus

At least 2 years. Most likely 4… of unfettered Republican rule of this country. Anything that goes bad. It’s all on them. And on us to reverse course.

I just wonder how many generations it will take to fix this.

With the age of the Supreme court, I’ll say 5 years times the number of justices replaced.

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Anymouse  Nov 9, 2016 • 10:29:22am

re: #411 electrotek

But certain Islamophobic atheists like Sam Harris or Richard Dawkins can’t grasp that.

Until they line up Sam Harris with the rest of us.

Harris has a blind spot. He rightly calls out Islam where it is abused by radicals for political ends (such as Daesh). He ignores Christianity when it is abused by radicals for political ends (such as bombing the Atlanta Olympics or abortion clinics).

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MsJ  Nov 9, 2016 • 10:29:25am

re: #394 ObserverArt

Heh…I get the feeling that within some bounds Charles may let some of that through today. He may be writing a hot page right now!

Except I am boundless now. ;-) And my hate is red hot.

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ObserverArt  Nov 9, 2016 • 10:30:46am

re: #329 Targetpractice

If the rumors of Putin catching Trump in a honey pot are true, then he’s got Trump by the balls. The GOP might not be willing to impeach Trump for a lot of things, but catching him in a live boy/dead girl situation would be pretty much the one exception.

The GOP owes Trump nothing other than a hope they can control him. The very first opportunity they can run him out and take control with Pence they will take it.

Paybacks are a bitch Donald. Don’t turn around they have knives!

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ObserverArt  Nov 9, 2016 • 10:31:42am

re: #328 scottslemmons

Here’s something else that’s may be a dumb thing to be concerned about, but I am anyway…

What happens to entertainment in a post-Trump world? Strides have been taken into a more progressive, diverse world within film, TV, book publishing, comics, and gaming. Will the higher-ups decide that the election means it’s time to dump entertainment for women, gays, and people of color in order to focus on the desires of Trumpers?

Will women action heroes in movies become a thing of the past? Will science fiction publishing let neo-nazis like Vox Day become the new standard bearers? Will comics publishers abandon characters like Ms. Marvel, Moon Girl, Cyborg, Thor, Midnighter, Miles Morales, Batgirl, Black Panther, and the Lumberjanes to appease people who want all white male superheroes?

One word: Evangelicals.

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ObserverArt  Nov 9, 2016 • 10:35:06am

re: #340 Targetpractice

Groups like Da’esh must be over the moon right now. They have received the biggest recruitment boost they could have dreamed of. An administration just got elected that pretty much says America is at war with Islam. Its electorate has legitimized hatred of Islam and plans to ostracize those who practice it. They’ve just been guaranteed at least 4 years of willing recruits.

Last night I called Trump their new best poster boy. Trump is too dense to realize it.

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sagehen  Nov 9, 2016 • 10:36:08am

Any Jay Smooth fans here? He’s not having a good morning either.

Trump’s America: This is What Happens Now.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 9, 2016 • 10:38:55am

re: #388 Edge of a dream AKA Cankles Mccellulite

Trump supporters were always there. Remember in the 90’s when the Republican party made Rush Limbaugh the unofficial (official) leader of the Republican party?

Ding Ding Ding!

I remember when Michael Steele had to back down and apologize for making disparaging remarks about him.

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ObserverArt  Nov 9, 2016 • 10:41:50am

re: #358 Targetpractice

Joe “I’m gonna be a Republican if the Senate is tied” Manchin?

Yeah, I caught a bit of that crap last night. Dude is a weasel. Wait, weasels don’t deserve that. Asshole. He’s been a turncoat waiting to turn for some time.

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steve_davis  Nov 9, 2016 • 10:42:27am

re: #16 S’latch

I can’t watch this. I won’t watch this. I hope it is short and gracious and fair. But, I can’t handle it.

If someone can tell me that she really takes responsibility for this total failure, and states an apology to the American people for losing what she was charged with the awesome responsibility to win, then I will accept it.

I am feeling a great deal of anger at Hillary Clinton right now. I would be happy to discuss it with anyone who wants to do that rationally. I restate my earlier promise to say nothing negative. But the truth is the truth. She did not do her job correctly. Her campaign didn’t. She is responsible. She should have defeated Donald Trump. I really need an explanation for what happened.

she got caught in a wave that no one saw coming. we all knew that there was an undercurrent of anger that Trump was riding, but I don’t think anyone expected white women and college educated white men to turn out to be fucking bigots. It wouldn’t have mattered who was on the Democratic side. They all would have been shredded.

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ObserverArt  Nov 9, 2016 • 10:43:28am

re: #365 Anymouse

California does not have an army. It does not have a navy. Such a vote would doom the state to destruction far worse than the Civil War (the weapons are much better today).

A few cruise missiles into the centres of LA and San Francisco and you’re done.

Chilling. Something though that must be considered.

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ObserverArt  Nov 9, 2016 • 10:45:05am

re: #372 Timothy Watson

And when you have to pull teeth to get someone to sign up for a single GOTV shift and then they still fucking flake.

Okay, don’t get my started. I am pretty pissed still at this point.

Thanks for your efforts Tim!

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austin_blue  Nov 9, 2016 • 10:46:50am

re: #405 Targetpractice

Has now just elected a president who will look at that and argue that the people of Flint should have moved when they saw the water was toxic, as the state was just doing the “smart” thing by trying to save a buck.

Let them drink Perrier.

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Bass Reeves  Nov 9, 2016 • 10:47:29am

re: #332 Anymouse

Educational opportunities.
Jobs.
Improving Social Security.

(On these three, I am not saying Democrats do not have plans; I am saying they do not relate them to the people who live here. People who live here believe the GOP that privatising education and Social Security is a good thing.)

I live in a town that is nearly a quarter veterans. You know what veterans seem to think here? That Democrats do not care about them. A lot of that is GOP sludge. So why aren’t Democrats countering that? Oh right, they didn’t even run anyone for my House district. I never saw a 100% win for a House candidate before.

Maybe if the Dems bothered to send people to campaign in my state (where were you Mrs. Clinton, Mr. Kaine, Mr. or Mrs. Obama, Mr. Sanders, Mrs. Warren, &c) perhaps someone might listen.

No, I asked for things that your neighbors (obviously not you, I don’t want you to think I’m attacking you) want that the Democrats AREN’T addressing. Privatizing education and social security are ideas rooted in keeping the tax dollars away from the other and are examples of self-harm in support of bigotry. Republican governments are destroying access to education everywhere they are in charge. Hillary proposed more minimum wage and better access to education and Trump proposed right to work and gutting education, so I must reject the idea that those are concerns of that part of the country. Or to be more precise, to put those ideas in the Democratic platform once again centers Whiteness (Straight, Christian) over the rest of the country.

Veterans isn’t point of contention this election, and Republicans haven’t been for veterans since they created a couple hundred thousand of them a decade ago.

So maybe we’re left with Agriculture/Agribusiness. Has the DNC done something that actually hinders the farmers in your area? More to the point, when the hell did Donald talk about it?

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We're Way Beyond Snark  Nov 9, 2016 • 11:04:29am

re: #390 electrotek

I’m totally fucked because I really have nowhere else to fucking go.

If I go back to Pakistan, I’ll be shot dead for doing the same things I do here when it comes to defending minority groups.

If I go to certain Muslim countries, I’ll be among the first to be arrested, tried, and most likely executed for heresy and deviancy, such as supporting LGBT rights.

I can’t go migrate to another Western country because of my brown skin and Muslim heritage will always be a fucking barrier.

I’ve never been this worried, and petrified about the future until now.

Canada. In the meantime, try a blue state. I think you’ll be somewhat insulated from the worst of it there.

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S'latch  Nov 9, 2016 • 11:20:21am

Hillary Clinton did apologize. Hillary Clinton ended by saying “I’m sorry.”

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Lancelot Link  Nov 9, 2016 • 12:28:10pm

re: #371 Anymouse

That would be the Left Coast.

Do you know just how many people in the middle of the country absolutely hate the “coastal liberal elites?”

Of course I do.
I see it on the internet all the fucking time.
Including here, today.


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