A Harrowing New Video From Regina Spektor: "Trapper and the Furrier"

A Harrowing New Video From Regina Spektor: “Trapper and the Furrier”

On every floor an army of workers

MusicNovember 2016 • Views: 43,657

Regina Spektor posted this powerful video to her YouTube account yesterday. I don’t know if it was after the results of the election became clear (although it’s clear she was thinking about you-know-who when she posted it), and I’m sure it was written many months ago, but the lyrics are harrowingly relevant to this moment in history.

A few weeks ago I had a secret meeting in a stairwell and we shot this little video for The Trapper and The Furrier.

With all that is going on I wanted to share it. Good luck to us all. Good luck to our world. There are many kinds of paradise…Let’s be on the side of those in need. Let’s be on the side of those who love. Let’s be on the side of those who care, who participate, who try… And if not all that, then at least, let’s be on the side of those who pay their taxes;-)

Directed by Jack Dishel (in a stairwell)
Shot by Shervin Lainez (also in a stairwell)
Animated by Chris Tucci (luckily not in a stairwell at all!)

Regina Spektor, on tour this spring! Dates at http://reginaspektor.com
The new album Remember Us To Life is out now!

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Lyrics:

The trapper and the furrier
Went walking through paradise
And all the animals lay clawless
And toothless before them
And all the mothers stepped away from their babies
Leaving them open and easy to handle

The trapper and the furrier
Went walking through paradise
They took some for now
And they got some for later
And they marveled at the pelts,
Not a bullet-hole in ’em
And they filled up the cages
With pets for their children

What a strange, strange world we live in
Where the good are damned
And the wicked forgiven
What a strange, strange world we live in
Those who don’t have, lose
Those who got, get given
More, more, more, more…

The owner and the manager
Went walking through paradise
And all the shelves were filled
With awards and achievements
And on every corner a power presentation
And on every floor an army of workers

The owner and the manager
Went walking through paradise
And all their charts showed
So much promise and progress
No sick days, no snow days, no unions, no taxes
And they wandered towards home,
Kings of their castles

What a strange, strange world we live in
Where the good are damned
And the wicked forgiven
What a strange, strange world we live in
Those who don’t have, lose
Those who got, get given
More, more, more, more…

The lawyer and the pharmacist
Went walking through paradise
And all the sick were around them
With fevers unbreaking
Crying and bleeding and coughing and shaking
And arms outstretched, prescription collecting

The lawyer and the pharmacist
Went walking through paradise
Pressed suits in the courtroom
Aroma of chloroform
And they smiled at the judge,
Dispositions so sunny
’cause they didn’t have the cure but sure needed the money

What a strange, strange world we live in
Where the good are damned
And the wicked forgiven
What a strange, strange world we live in
Those who don’t have, lose
Those who got, get given
More, more, more, more

More, more, more, more. .

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718 comments

Jenner7 Nov 9, 2016 • 1:24:41pm

BREAKING: U.S. Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell says Senate will move swiftly to repeal ObamaCare under President Trump - Politico

— BNO News (@BNONews) November 9, 2016

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Come on. They won’t follow through with this….

Lidane Nov 9, 2016 • 1:26:51pm

re: #1 Jenner7

I will seriously have to rein in the temptation to say I Told You So to the first Trump voters on my FB feed who whine when they lose coverage for a pre-existing condition or because they suddenly can’t afford their medications.

Mike Lamb Nov 9, 2016 • 1:27:00pm

re: #1 Jenner7

So, when the coal miners in Kentucky, West Virginia, etc., are being blown up; trapped in mine collapses; and/or are suffering from lung cancer because OSHA regs have been reduced if not eliminated, and they don’t have insurance to cover their medical bills, I don’t want to hear a fucking peep.

dlnathan Nov 9, 2016 • 1:27:10pm

Semi-ironic - His gutting of medicare (ala vouchers) will most likely lead to earlier deaths of Old White People.

His tax cuts will hurt middle class white people.

Tarriff trade wars if implemented wold hurt those same people.

In fact, most of these policies will hurt the people who voted him.
And bring there premature deaths.
They will blame others of course.
But only themselves to blame.

Mike Lamb Nov 9, 2016 • 1:27:27pm

re: #2 Lidane

I will seriously have to rein in the temptation to say I Told You So to the first Trump voters on my FB feed who whine when they lose coverage for a pre-existing condition or because they suddenly can’t afford their medications.

Why would you rein that in?

Targetpractice Nov 9, 2016 • 1:28:26pm

re: #1 Jenner7

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Come on. They won’t follow through with this….

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And the media won’t spend a moment asking “And replace it with what, Senator?” Because they haven’t given much time to those questions up til now, so why change?

Kragar Nov 9, 2016 • 1:29:05pm

“You’ll be fine” says the middle class white voter who had nothing to fear from a Trump presidency pic.twitter.com/Yxf0oqxIGr

— Kragar (@Kragar_LGF) November 9, 2016

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KerFuFFler Nov 9, 2016 • 1:30:05pm

A year ago I had a frustrating conversation with a stranger on an airplane. She was around 25 and stubbornly insisted that both parties are the same so why bother voting. No matter how many areas I pointed out vastly different policy positions between the GOP and the democratic party she just smugly shook her head and insisted that all politicians are the same.

I confided last thread that I was ill-wishing Trump. I am getting worse and worse because now I find myself hoping that some day soon that woman wants an abortion and can’t get one. I don’t hate her, but some people can only learn the hard way and boy does she ever need to learn. People without empathy can only learn when something bad happens to them.

klys (maker of Silmarils) Nov 9, 2016 • 1:30:15pm

… I’m in tears pic.twitter.com/MIVtcS4mT5

— Jai✨ (@jailaamari_) November 9, 2016

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Timothy Watson Nov 9, 2016 • 1:30:39pm

re: #4 dlnathan

Semi-ironic - His gutting of medicare (ala vouchers) will most likely lead to earlier deaths of Old White People.

His tax cuts will hurt middle class white people.

Tarriff trade wars if implemented wold hurt those same people.

In fact, most of these policies will hurt the people who voted him.
And bring there premature deaths.
They will blame others of course.
But only themselves to blame.

…and you think minorities won’t be effected too? And you don’t think they will be effected worse since they, generally, have lower incomes than whites?

Targetpractice Nov 9, 2016 • 1:30:40pm

The people who will cheer the ACA being dismantled are the ideological brethren who supported Brexit because they’d been promised more money for NHS. In a year, voters are gonna be left wondering when their “cheap” insurance plans will be back, when will insurance companies be cutting premiums, and why are they suddenly getting denied for insurance when they were assured Republicans wouldn’t let that happen.

Tigger2 Nov 9, 2016 • 1:31:30pm

re: #2 Lidane

I will seriously have to rein in the temptation to say I Told You So to the first Trump voters on my FB feed who whine when they lose coverage for a pre-existing condition or because they suddenly can’t afford their medications.

I don’t have to be tempted, I will say that exact thing to them.

Lidane Nov 9, 2016 • 1:31:54pm

re: #5 Mike Lamb

Why would you rein that in?

Because most of the Trump voters on my feed are family.

And they wonder why I only visit during Thanksgiving and Christmas.

Belafon Nov 9, 2016 • 1:32:31pm

re: #1 Jenner7

Come on. They won’t follow through with this….

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So many people don’t have a clue as to how much their company sponsored health insurance was regulated by the ACA, such as coverage for preexisting conditions.

Big Beautiful Door Nov 9, 2016 • 1:32:48pm

re: #11 Targetpractice

The people who will cheer the ACA being dismantled are the ideological brethren who supported Brexit because they’d been promised more money for NHS. In a year, voters are gonna be left wondering when their “cheap” insurance plans will be back, when will insurance companies be cutting premiums, and why are they suddenly getting denied for insurance when they were assured Republicans wouldn’t let that happen.

And the GOP will own that shit.

Lidane Nov 9, 2016 • 1:33:04pm

re: #14 Belafon

So many people don’t have a clue as to how much their company sponsored health insurance was regulated by the ACA, such as coverage for preexisting conditions.

They’ll figure it out when they’re suddenly denied coverage.

Nyet Nov 9, 2016 • 1:34:12pm

re: #16 Lidane

I’m almost at the “let the motherfucker burn” level, though not there because not only bad people (Trump voters) would suffer.

Big Beautiful Door Nov 9, 2016 • 1:34:25pm

re: #16 Lidane

They’ll figure it out when they’re suddenly denied coverage.

Don’t worry, if they ever get “replace” passed, it will include “high risk” pools. $10k a month premium, please.

HappyWarrior Nov 9, 2016 • 1:34:34pm

re: #3 Mike Lamb

So, when the coal miners in Kentucky, West Virginia, etc., are being blown up; trapped in mine collapses; and/or are suffering from lung cancer because OSHA regs have been reduced if not eliminated, and they don’t have insurance to cover their medical bills, I don’t want to hear a fucking peep.

I hate feeling that way knowing how my two great grandpas who were miners suffered but they never did anything like this and they weren’t supporting people like Trump either. I hate feeling that way but I’ve lost a lot of sympathy for people who continue to vote for a party of fat cat assholes who use faux populism while picking their pockets to enrich their benefactors.

Lidane Nov 9, 2016 • 1:35:36pm

re: #18 Big Beautiful Door

Don’t worry, if they ever get “replace” passed, it will include “high risk” pools. $10k a month premium, please.

There won’t be a “replace”. The Republicans never intended to replace the ACA with anything.

HappyWarrior Nov 9, 2016 • 1:35:46pm

re: #17 Nyet

I’m almost at the “let the motherfucker burn” level, though not there because not only bad people (Trump voters) would suffer.

That is what keeps me too Sergey.

Anymouse Nov 9, 2016 • 1:35:47pm

re: #15 Big Beautiful Door

And the GOP will own that shit.

Not a chance. “Obamacare was a failure.”

gwangung Nov 9, 2016 • 1:36:02pm

re: #18 Big Beautiful Door

Don’t worry, if they ever get “replace” passed, it will include “high risk” pools. $10k a month premium, please.

No, they’ll just generate more low deductible, low cost NO COVERAGE plans and call it good.

dlnathan Nov 9, 2016 • 1:36:04pm

re: #10 Timothy Watson

I was concentrating on the self harm these Trump voters did to themselves.
I know everyone’s screwed too.

Targetpractice Nov 9, 2016 • 1:37:05pm

re: #22 Anymouse

Not a chance. “Obamacare was a failure.”

Ayep. “The damage done will take time to fix, but we trust in the ability of the free market to make quality healthcare affordable to millions of Americans.”

Anymouse Nov 9, 2016 • 1:38:00pm

Off to bed, to dream of better days to come… .

Jenner7 Nov 9, 2016 • 1:38:36pm

At random times today I’ve been saying out loud,”wow”. I am still in shock. I hope this is a place we can all vent the coming months, because we’re going to need it. I know there will be downdings and anger, but I need this place. Yeah, it’s corny, but I need it. I refuse to turn on cable news, where they’ll normalize a racist.

Lidane Nov 9, 2016 • 1:39:24pm

Here’s what Donald Trump wants to do in his first 100 days in office https://t.co/4NAOOSISou pic.twitter.com/gNp1PNS6Zr

— NPR (@NPR) November 9, 2016

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Say goodbye to every bit of social progress we’ve made since Jim Crow ended. It’s all gone.

HappyWarrior Nov 9, 2016 • 1:40:03pm

Anyhow I don’t want to hear Republicans bitching about how awful Washington is. You guys are Washington and why this guy is glad he’s not at DOS. I could not in good faith work for a Gingrich state department.

retired cynic Nov 9, 2016 • 1:40:15pm

I am going to have to cut back on things even here for a bit; I’m just too sick at heart, and the only thing that helps is work. So that’s what I need to do. Love all of you.

CuriousLurker Nov 9, 2016 • 1:42:56pm

Alright, that’s all I can take for now. Later, lizards.

Dr. Matt Nov 9, 2016 • 1:43:42pm

I hope every Drump loser that voted for him suffers dearly for voting against their best interests.

Stanley Sea Nov 9, 2016 • 1:43:59pm

re: #27 Jenner7

At random times today I’ve been saying out loud,”wow”. I am still in shock. I hope this is a place we can all vent the coming months, because we’re going to need it. I know there will be downdings and anger, but I need this place. Yeah, it’s corny, but I need it. I refuse to turn on cable news, where they’ll normalize a racist.

I’m seriously stressing out when I look at my screen & see no new comments.

I need this group therapy more than anything right now.

stpaulbear Nov 9, 2016 • 1:44:31pm

re: #25 Targetpractice

Ayep. “The damage done will take time to fix, but we trust in the ability of the free market to make quality healthcare affordable to millions of Americans.”

“Oh, and it’s now illegal for government agencies to collect data on health insurance.”

Myron Falwell (no relation) Nov 9, 2016 • 1:45:01pm

re: #28 Lidane

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Say goodbye to every bit of social progress we’ve made since Jim Crow ended. It’s all gone.

Even if a scant percentage were to go through, we’re still all f—-ed beyond repair.

Dr. Matt Nov 9, 2016 • 1:45:33pm

The good thing about elections is that I get to thin out my facebook “friends” every 4 years.

klys (maker of Silmarils) Nov 9, 2016 • 1:46:19pm

Off for my run.

Joe Bacon Nov 9, 2016 • 1:48:01pm

re: #6 Targetpractice

And the media won’t spend a moment asking “And replace it with what, Senator?” Because they haven’t given much time to those questions up til now, so why change?

We know how our media works. They’ll spend 30 minutes on Rob Kardashian cheating on Black Chyna. And just a minute on how Obamacare premiums went through the roof…

makeitstop Nov 9, 2016 • 1:49:46pm

re: #2 Lidane

I will seriously have to rein in the temptation to say I Told You So to the first Trump voters on my FB feed who whine when they lose coverage for a pre-existing condition or because they suddenly can’t afford their medications.

They will need to have it pointed out.

Every goddamn inch that Trump backs away from what he promised should be rubbed in their faces.

He is their savior. They will know that their savior is a failure, and their faith will break.

That is up to us.

Ziggy_TARDIS Nov 9, 2016 • 1:49:51pm

re: #28 Lidane

Hell, some of Jim Crow is being reintroduced.

HappyWarrior Nov 9, 2016 • 1:50:01pm

re: #38 Joe Bacon

We know how our media works. They’ll spend 30 minutes on Rob Kardashian cheating on Black Chyna. And just a minute on how Obamacare premiums went through the roof…

Live footage of Barron Trump’s lacrosse game,meanwhile AG Giuliani has authorized national stop and frisk.//

Joe Bacon Nov 9, 2016 • 1:50:25pm

re: #11 Targetpractice

The people who will cheer the ACA being dismantled are the ideological brethren who supported Brexit because they’d been promised more money for NHS. In a year, voters are gonna be left wondering when their “cheap” insurance plans will be back, when will insurance companies be cutting premiums, and why are they suddenly getting denied for insurance when they were assured Republicans wouldn’t let that happen.

Oh, there will be cheap insurance plans that won’t cover doodley-squat. Or “Medical Savings Accounts” that will completely drain after a serious illness. But don’t worry folks! Joni Ernst always says that the churches will take care of the truly needy!

HappyWarrior Nov 9, 2016 • 1:50:55pm

re: #40 Ziggy_TARDIS

Hell, some of Jim Corw is being reintroduced.

Fucking Roberts. He owns that with his doughface bs on how VRA is “unfair” to the South.

Tigger2 Nov 9, 2016 • 1:51:59pm

I don’t know if she is being censored or her account is just screwing up.

PLEASE RT and spread the word- @docrocktex26 is being censored. Can not tweet. RT FOLKS pic.twitter.com/n42A9T8l0u

— Jordan (@_Jordan_J_) November 9, 2016

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HappyWarrior Nov 9, 2016 • 1:53:36pm

I lose my head thinking about what bothers me most here. I think it’s that racist assholes like Bannon, Trump, CCJ, and others got legitimized by the electorate last night.

makeitstop Nov 9, 2016 • 1:54:06pm

re: #33 Stanley Sea

I’m seriously stressing out when I look at my screen & see no new comments.

I need this group therapy more than anything right now.

We’re here, kid. A lot of us are in shock, but we’ll come around.

HappyWarrior Nov 9, 2016 • 1:54:18pm

This election is why I don’t trust populism fwiw.

dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸ Nov 9, 2016 • 1:54:39pm

shorter trump presidency:

1) trump signs everything wingnuts ever wanted

2) consequences fuck everything up and piss everybody off

3) profit!

wrenchwench Nov 9, 2016 • 1:55:40pm

re: #47 HappyWarrior

This election is why I don’t trust populism fwiw.

And the electoral college is supposed to protect us from populism, I thought.

dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸ Nov 9, 2016 • 1:55:49pm

re: #42 Joe Bacon

Oh, there will be cheap insurance plans that won’t cover doodley-squat. Or “Medical Savings Accounts” that will completely drain after a serious illness. But don’t worry folks! Joni Ernst always says that the churches will take care of the truly needy!

how is a ‘tax free medical savings account’ going to help people who make too little to pay taxes?

HappyWarrior Nov 9, 2016 • 1:56:22pm

re: #49 wrenchwench

And the electoral college is supposed to protect us from populism, I thought.

So I heard.

Robert O. Nov 9, 2016 • 1:57:51pm

I feel sick now. 2016 sucks. My grandmother and a good friend died. Then, of course, we have Brexit, and now this…. The end of the year can’t come fast enough.

Still, I need to get one thing off my chest. I went door-knocking for Hillary Clinton over the weekend, the very first time I’ve ever participated in a campaign, not so much FOR Hillary per se, but because a Trump Presidency with complete Republican control of this country is just so frightening. I came across an older woman, maybe 60-something, white. She was on my list of doors to knock on, presumably because she’s a registered Democrat at some point in the past. She told me she could never vote for Hillary because she was for abortion. I then tried to point out that Hillary’s position on this was the same as Obama’s, thinking that she must have voted for him recently. She then told me, matter of factly, that she voted McCain that year. She couldn’t vote for Obama because “he was black.” Truly I kid you not, this was exactly what she said. I decided to continue to let her speak, seeing what else this lady, a former Democrat, had to tell me. What she said was that she thought Obama was going to be only “for the black people”, but she quickly admitted (without any prompting) that Obama turned out to be for everyone and she liked him. The lady explained that in her early life, she lived mostly among black people and was badly bullied at school by black kids, even though she claimed she tried to be nice to everybody. Well….that’s her life story. I was still shocked that her racism still existed in 2016. Yet, I guess our opinions are ultimately a function of our life experiences. She saw what she did. She was a racist, but maybe not an unmoveable one as she said herself she has come to like Obama. I tried one more time to get the woman to think about Healthcare (since she was poor), that millions of people will lose it if Republicans get into power. The woman simply shrugged that she knew, and she did’t like the meanness of the Republicans. But she was in poor health and thought she was going to die anyway. My best guess is she probably never voted.

So that’s the long story of something shocking I learned over the weekend that I never knew existed. I guess I just live in a very sheltered and privileged environment (upper middle class professional) that I haven’t seen this since I left high school. I am happy to admit that my own experiences are probably nothing like that of the “typical American”, if such a thing exists.

wrenchwench Nov 9, 2016 • 1:59:08pm

re: #40 Ziggy_TARDIS

I want to apologize to you for believing that you had overestimated the cause for concern. Clearly, it was I who underestimated, by a mile, to say the least.

Ziggy_TARDIS Nov 9, 2016 • 2:00:11pm

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HappyWarrior Nov 9, 2016 • 2:00:25pm

re: #52 Robert O.

I feel sick now. 2016 sucks. My grandmother and a good friend died. Then, of course, we have Brexit, and now this…. The end of the year can’t come fast enough.

Still, I need to get one thing off my chest. I went door-knocking for Hillary Clinton over the weekend, the very first time I’ve ever participated in a campaign, not so much FOR Hillary per se, but because a Trump Presidency with complete Republican control of this country is just so frightening. I came across an older woman, maybe 60-something, white. She was on my list of doors to knock on, presumably because she’s a registered Democrat at some point in the past. She told me she could never vote for Hillary because she was for abortion. I then tried to point out that Hillary’s position on this was the same as Obama’s, thinking that she must have voted for him recently. She then told me, matter of factly, that she voted McCain that year. She couldn’t vote for Obama because “he was black.” Truly I kid you not, this was exactly what she said. I decided to continue to let her speak, seeing what else this lady, a former Democrat, had to tell me. What she said was that she thought Obama was going to be only “for the black people”, but she quickly admitted (without any prompting) that Obama turned out to be for everyone and she liked him. The lady explained that in her early life, she lived mostly among black people and was badly bullied at school by black kids, even though she claimed she tried to be nice to everybody. Well….that’s her life story. I was still shocked that her racism still existed in 2016. Yet, I guess our opinions are ultimately a function of our life experiences. She saw what she did. She was a racist, but maybe not an unmoveable one as she said herself she has come to like Obama. I tried one more time to get the woman to think about Healthcare (since she was poor), that millions of people will lose it if Republicans get into power. The woman simply shrugged that she knew, and she did’t like the meanness of the Republicans. But she was in poor health and thought she was going to die anyway. My best guess is she probably never voted.

So that’s the long story of something shocking I learned over the weekend that I never knew existed. I guess I just live in a very sheltered and privileged environment (upper middle class professional) that I haven’t seen this since I left high school. I am happy to admit that my own experiences are probably nothing like that of the “typical American”, if such a thing exists.

My grandmother’s sister said she was having a hard time because of abortion. Confused me since she was a Democrat well after they adapted a pro choice position.

Joe Bacon Nov 9, 2016 • 2:01:00pm

re: #50 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

how is a ‘tax free medical savings account’ going to help people who make too little to pay taxes?

The Republicans don’t care about the details. Fox News, Hate Radio, Pulpit Pimp Preachers and the rest of the Right Wing Wurlitzer will talk about “empowering people to make their own decisions”.

HappyWarrior Nov 9, 2016 • 2:01:59pm

re: #53 wrenchwench

I want to apologize to you for believing that you had overestimated the cause for concern. Clearly, it was I who underestimated, by a mile, to say the least.

Yeah I am too. I feel bad because I was so confident and I really thought better of people. Chin up tho, Ziggs, let’s come back from this stronger than ever.

teleskiguy Nov 9, 2016 • 2:02:03pm

The electoral college is a disaster for a democracy.

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) November 7, 2012

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¯\_(ツ)_/¯ https://t.co/zsPgr03FOx

— The Daily Show (@TheDailyShow) November 9, 2016

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Ziggy_TARDIS Nov 9, 2016 • 2:02:45pm

re: #53 wrenchwench

Don’t apologize. I have been having a rough year, which caused me to be pessimistic, and then I was an obsessive poll watcher.

Guess what? The polls were wrong.

HappyWarrior Nov 9, 2016 • 2:02:59pm

re: #58 teleskiguy

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Except when it propels him into the WH.

Joe Bacon Nov 9, 2016 • 2:03:14pm

re: #52 Robert O.

Robert, thank you for trying.

blueraven Nov 9, 2016 • 2:04:05pm

It begins.

Republican Jewish Coalition says that there should be an “examination” of @ADL_National’s work during the campaign: https://t.co/DT0fBgerej

— Josh Nathan-Kazis (@joshnathankazis) November 9, 2016

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No Depression Nov 9, 2016 • 2:04:59pm

:’(

TW: Suicide…. 4 trans youths took their lives last night. If you’re #trans & in America, you can call this support line: [no phone numbers allowed] pic.twitter.com/xdZpIDCmUc

— Fox Fisher (@theFoxFisher) November 9, 2016

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HappyWarrior Nov 9, 2016 • 2:05:05pm

re: #62 blueraven

It begins.

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Fuck them. Everyone knew Trump was doing antisemitic dog whistles.

HappyWarrior Nov 9, 2016 • 2:06:20pm

re: #63 No Depression

:’(

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Oh man. Right, that’s why I always hated DF treating his party’s hostility to LGBT people as part of the game, it’s not a game damnit.

Ziggy_TARDIS Nov 9, 2016 • 2:06:58pm

Propane Jane has apparently been suspended from Twitter.

wrenchwench Nov 9, 2016 • 2:07:42pm

Slowly forward. Or wherever.

https://t.co/Tz49NICT5g pic.twitter.com/N8JXu4gKpM

— The Ministry of GIFs (@GIFs) November 9, 2016

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Joe Bacon Nov 9, 2016 • 2:07:48pm

re: #63 No Depression

😢

Stanley Sea Nov 9, 2016 • 2:07:59pm

This is reassuring. pic.twitter.com/HDlj1KaMsV

— Greg Sargent (@ThePlumLineGS) November 9, 2016

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Decatur Deb Nov 9, 2016 • 2:08:02pm

re: #17 Nyet

I’m almost at the “let the motherfucker burn” level, though not there because not only bad people (Trump voters) would suffer.

The bad people will be the last to suffer, after the helpless people and the stupid people.

teleskiguy Nov 9, 2016 • 2:08:14pm

re: #66 Ziggy_TARDIS

Propane Jane has apparently been suspended from Twitter.

Um, no.

Tweets by docrocktex26

Dr. Matt Nov 9, 2016 • 2:08:14pm

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Flying Squirrel Girl Nov 9, 2016 • 2:08:40pm

re: #22 Anymouse

This is what I believe too. Obama will still be to blame because “everything was great until Obamacare came along.”

HappyWarrior Nov 9, 2016 • 2:09:12pm

re: #69 Stanley Sea

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Giuliani wasn’t kidding with his Jackson reference. Welcome back spoils system.//

William Lewis Nov 9, 2016 • 2:09:43pm

re: #15 Big Beautiful Door

And the GOP will own that shit.

Bull. “Obamacare failed.” “It’s Obama’s fault”“You’re too poor? Just die already.”

But hey, I heard someone say they’d never bother with Obamacare right away so why worry?

Pawn of the Oppressor Nov 9, 2016 • 2:09:50pm

re: #69 Stanley Sea

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How many wives between them?

I don’t want to hear about “sanctity of marriage” or “family values” from these people EVER AGAIN.

makeitstop Nov 9, 2016 • 2:10:44pm

re: #71 teleskiguy

Um, no.

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I’m seeing tweets from February. I don’t do Twitter, so maybe there’s a reason for that, I don’t know.

The Vicious Babushka Nov 9, 2016 • 2:10:51pm

OK well I have to say that on my first day at the new job I have seen two ladies wearing hijab, something that I have never seen before in over 16 years I have worked on various and assorted projects in DEARBORN.

I smiled at them and they smiled back.

Charles Johnson Nov 9, 2016 • 2:10:51pm

There’s a Nazi flag flying above a Dolores Heights home in San Francisco right now. pic.twitter.com/A3ehDUM7zP

— Michael Bodley (@michael_bodley) November 9, 2016

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Ziggy_TARDIS Nov 9, 2016 • 2:10:53pm

PLEASE RT and spread the word- @docrocktex26 is being censored. Can not tweet. RT FOLKS pic.twitter.com/n42A9T8l0u

— Jordan (@_Jordan_J_) November 9, 2016

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makeitstop Nov 9, 2016 • 2:11:58pm

re: #76 Pawn of the Oppressor

How many wives between them?

Ten. Only Christie hasn’t had multiples.

No Depression Nov 9, 2016 • 2:12:06pm

re: #79 Charles Johnson

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Things aren’t getting better any time soon.

HappyWarrior Nov 9, 2016 • 2:12:41pm

re: #79 Charles Johnson

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Jesus.

scottslemmons Nov 9, 2016 • 2:13:07pm

re: #82 No Depression

Things aren’t getting better any time soon.

Mitchell and Webb: “Are we the baddies?”

Sherlock Hound Nov 9, 2016 • 2:13:28pm

re: #53 wrenchwench

It’s terrible to be right.

Ziggy, I am glad to follow you on Twitter—I am no less out of my mind. Never have I been more sick at heart in 35 years of following politics.

Kragar Nov 9, 2016 • 2:13:38pm

The new “Death Panels: The GOP telling women they can’t abort an ectopic pregnancy because they’re “pro-life”

— Kragar (@Kragar_LGF) November 9, 2016

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BlueGrl21 Nov 9, 2016 • 2:13:50pm

My darling Lizardim, this is the place where your fightin’ Texas contingent can help us all get through this together.

We know your fear. Your anger. Your despair. I have watched it happen here my whole life. I have been crushingly disappointed, been deeply scared for my friends and my family.

We have had the craziest, stupidest state government possible. Look at us.

So, here is what I want all of you to do:

1. Get PISSED. Cry. Wring your hands and yell at the sky and pray to the deity of your choice or none at all. Don’t let anyone tell you you’re being dramatic and ridiculous and this too shall pass. Get it out.

2. Go find your tribe and hug them. Tell them you have their back. Let them get yours.

3. Give it a bit before you talk to the winners. They can’t help but be tacky, it’s what they do.

4. Learn two expressions for the inevitable letdown they will have in a couple of months: “Well, that’s a real shame” and “Wow, you’re going to have to find someone to help you with that.”

5. Take care of the kids.

6. You get right back up and fight. Fight like hell. You have to be smart and strategic. You have to be bitterly honest about the situation and still go right back into the arena. You have to exploit every opening and not give away even one inch of territory you hold without a fight.

It’s a shitty day and a shitty year. It’s not a shitty life.

Onward.

Scottishdragon Nov 9, 2016 • 2:14:16pm

re: #49 wrenchwench

And the electoral college is supposed to protect us from populism, I thought.

The EC protected white Southern males and the 3/5 compromise. Southern states got all those extra EC votes without having to worry about the voters.

It is a racist anachronism of early America that should have died with the Civil War.

HappyWarrior Nov 9, 2016 • 2:15:36pm

re: #76 Pawn of the Oppressor

How many wives between them?

I don’t want to hear about “sanctity of marriage” or “family values” from these people EVER AGAIN.

But we will, Pastor Pence has said they’re going to roll back Obama’s LGBT protections.

Teukka Nov 9, 2016 • 2:16:35pm

re: #79 Charles Johnson

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The thing is, even if it was Trump just playing his base, he might have no choice than to appease them or risk something bad…
Not a high likelihood, but it is possible.

thedopefishlives Nov 9, 2016 • 2:16:59pm

Evening Lizardim.

No Depression Nov 9, 2016 • 2:17:00pm

re: #88 Scottishdragon

The EC protected white Southern males and the 3/5 compromise. Southern states got all those extra EC votes without having to worry about the voters.

It is a racist anachronism of early America that should have died with the Civil War.

Slavery just has to ruin everything, even 150+ years after its death, doesn’t it?

The Vicious Babushka Nov 9, 2016 • 2:17:43pm

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Scottishdragon Nov 9, 2016 • 2:17:49pm

re: #79 Charles Johnson

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The Klan were marching on an overpass on I-85 abut 15 minutes from my house this morning.

Decatur Deb Nov 9, 2016 • 2:18:22pm

re: #79 Charles Johnson

There’s a Nazi flag flying above a Dolores Heights home in San Francisco right now.

That’s mighty considerate of them, like a neighbor’s “Don’t Tread On Me” license plate.

makeitstop Nov 9, 2016 • 2:18:33pm

re: #87 BlueGrl21

Hear, hear.

goddamnedfrank Nov 9, 2016 • 2:19:55pm

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Decatur Deb Nov 9, 2016 • 2:19:59pm

re: #82 No Depression

Things aren’t getting better any time soon.

They are never getting better on their own.

makeitstop Nov 9, 2016 • 2:20:28pm

re: #94 Scottishdragon

The Klan were marching on an overpass on I-85 abut 15 minutes from my house this morning.

I think Snopes called that a hoax.

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TedStriker Nov 9, 2016 • 2:20:35pm

re: #10 Timothy Watson

…and you think minorities won’t be effected too? And you don’t think they will be effected worse since they, generally, have lower incomes than whites?

Feature, not a bug.

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William Lewis Nov 9, 2016 • 2:20:58pm

re: #93 The Vicious Babushka

{{{VB}}}

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Rocky-in-Connecticut Nov 9, 2016 • 2:21:51pm

re: #11 Targetpractice

The people who will cheer the ACA being dismantled are the ideological brethren who supported Brexit because they’d been promised more money for NHS. In a year, voters are gonna be left wondering when their “cheap” insurance plans will be back, when will insurance companies be cutting premiums, and why are they suddenly getting denied for insurance when they were assured Republicans wouldn’t let that happen.

..and a large percentage will be fine with it in the end because Trump’s reign will mean a lot of JEEZUS in government and schools. Trump doesn’t care a wit about the Evangelical’s JEEZUS fantasy, that’s just his carrot to keep them happy and in line. Take away my health. Give me JEEZUS.

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HappyWarrior Nov 9, 2016 • 2:21:57pm

re: #94 Scottishdragon

The Klan were marching on an overpass on I-85 abut 15 minutes from my house this morning.

As I’ve said, this is the worst thing Trump has done, he’s emboldened these assholes.

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Belafon Nov 9, 2016 • 2:22:36pm

re: #28 Lidane

I see deficits don’t matter any more.

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Ziggy_TARDIS Nov 9, 2016 • 2:22:43pm

re: #93 The Vicious Babushka

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Myron Falwell (no relation) Nov 9, 2016 • 2:23:25pm

It’s now at eight.

Developing: At least 8 trans youth have committed suicide in the wake of Trump’s win, according to a private support group.

— Zach Stafford (@ZachStafford) November 9, 2016

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YOU ALL OWN THIS. https://t.co/fSvI3ZxDzu

— Nathan Obral 🍁😸🍁 (@myronfalwell) November 9, 2016

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Nyet Nov 9, 2016 • 2:23:44pm

re: #97 goddamnedfrank

Anyone with the Asshata Shakur tag can be dismissed as a terrorist supporter.

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Teukka Nov 9, 2016 • 2:25:09pm

re: #106 Myron Falwell (no relation)

It’s now at eight.

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Good Lord…
*smfh*

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makeitstop Nov 9, 2016 • 2:25:16pm

Glaring Irony: The First Lady will be…an immigrant who flouted the law.

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Scottishdragon Nov 9, 2016 • 2:25:33pm

re: #106 Myron Falwell (no relation)

It’s now at eight.

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This is fucking nightmare.

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We're Way Beyond Snark Nov 9, 2016 • 2:26:01pm

re: #106 Myron Falwell (no relation)

It’s now at eight.

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And a good many Trumpsters are probably applauding.

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goddamnedfrank Nov 9, 2016 • 2:26:38pm

And yet, given the chance to elect a woman president, 52 percent of white women said no. 93 percent of black women said yes…

— Joy Reid (@JoyAnnReid) November 9, 2016

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Black women overwhelmingly voted for a woman who didn’t look like them. White women OTOH voted for a serial sexual assaulter of white women. https://t.co/6eJh2dksFs

— Franksgiving (@goddamnedfrank) November 9, 2016

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HappyWarrior Nov 9, 2016 • 2:26:53pm

re: #111 Snarknado!

And a good many Trumpsters are probably applauding.

You know Pence is.

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Charles Johnson Nov 9, 2016 • 2:28:15pm

re: #97 goddamnedfrank

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Belafon Nov 9, 2016 • 2:28:35pm

A friend of my son was driving to school this morning. While she was stopped at a stoplight, she could see the man next to her was trying to say something to her. When she rolled down the window, he asked “Are you a Trump supporter?” When she told him no, he said “Oh well, the Trump train for you.”

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nines09 Nov 9, 2016 • 2:29:32pm

re: #109 makeitstop

The first lady did A whole lot of posing in interesting positions and clothing, or lack of.

That’s how Trump got her. He grabbed her by the

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electrotek Nov 9, 2016 • 2:29:54pm

This has been on repeat since last night for me:

Gravity keeps my head down
Or is it maybe shame
At being so young and being so vain

Holes in your head today
But I’m a pacifist
I’ve walked La Ramblas but not with real intent

And if you tolerate this then your children will be next
And if you tolerate this then your children will be next
Will be next, will be next, will be next, yeah will be next

MANIC STREET PREACHERS if you tolerate this

I’ve never been this much in despair until now.

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makeitstop Nov 9, 2016 • 2:30:11pm

That Nazi flag is probably flying to mark an anniversary.

It’s pretty disturbing to me how those dates line up.

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Scottishdragon Nov 9, 2016 • 2:32:01pm

Pat McCrory refusing to concede in NC.

This will end up in court.

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Ziggy_TARDIS Nov 9, 2016 • 2:32:02pm

re: #117 electrotek

I have been oscillating between what the community around me says, and what my Republican Friend in DC is saying.

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Lidane Nov 9, 2016 • 2:32:12pm

re: #98 Decatur Deb

They are never getting better on their own.

They won’t get better in my lifetime. The Republicans are going to undo every bit of social progress we’ve made since Jim Crow ended and it will take decades for us to recover.

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Ziggy_TARDIS Nov 9, 2016 • 2:32:28pm

MORE! @leftyjennyc @AdrianCJax @ahumorlessfem @HawaiiDelilah pic.twitter.com/yuNlC6i3bo

— Jordan (@_Jordan_J_) November 9, 2016

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Propane Jane is being silenced. Please retweet https://t.co/1Ua7CrACWe

— Humorless Fem (@ahumorlessfem) November 9, 2016

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blueraven Nov 9, 2016 • 2:32:31pm

re: #106 Myron Falwell (no relation)

It’s now at eight.

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This has not been confirmed. I know the situation is bad for many groups and for all decent, caring people really. But we shouldn’t start disseminating info that may or may not be true. This helps no one.

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Ziggy_TARDIS Nov 9, 2016 • 2:32:50pm

re: #121 Lidane

How old are you?

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Lidane Nov 9, 2016 • 2:33:45pm

re: #124 Ziggy_TARDIS

How old are you?

43.

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Charles Johnson Nov 9, 2016 • 2:33:46pm

re: #118 makeitstop

That Nazi flag is probably flying to mark an anniversary.

It’s pretty disturbing to me how those dates line up.

I found this house in Google Maps. It’s in a very upscale neighborhood.

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wrenchwench Nov 9, 2016 • 2:34:49pm

Immigration Court’s Rising Backlog Now at 521,676 Cases - TRAC https://t.co/JJDK3kORXQ

— Daniel M. Kowalski (@dkbib) November 9, 2016

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Our friend the immigration attorney called Mr. w this morning, in tears and despair, and unable to function at work where the phone is ringing off the hook. He got her calmed down, and she’s coming for a visit this weekend.

I’m so lucky to have him as my in-house consultant.

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blueraven Nov 9, 2016 • 2:35:09pm

re: #122 Ziggy_TARDIS

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@docrocktex26 @grossocheryl @JanetMenke @CindyDPishere @SenSanders So hell no. I am part of the opposition.

— Wesley Palmer Curl (@WPalmerCurl) November 9, 2016

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WHOLEHEARTEDLY opposed.
We ain’t friends if they aren’t an ally. https://t.co/YlmrcnLVHe

— Propane Jane™ (@docrocktex26) November 9, 2016

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Myron Falwell (no relation) Nov 9, 2016 • 2:35:10pm

re: #111 Snarknado!

And a good many Trumpsters are probably applauding.

Oh no doubt. And that MAKES ME F—-ING FURIOUS.

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Decatur Deb Nov 9, 2016 • 2:35:13pm

re: #121 Lidane

They won’t get better in my lifetime. The Republicans are going to undo every bit of social progress we’ve made since Jim Crow ended and it will take decades for us to recover.

Basically true, though History does take zig-zags. All I wanted from HRC was 3 good USSC nominations.

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goddamnedfrank Nov 9, 2016 • 2:35:27pm

re: #125 Lidane

43.

Me too.

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makeitstop Nov 9, 2016 • 2:35:46pm

re: #126 Charles Johnson

I found this house in Google Maps. It’s in a very upscale neighborhood.

Frightening.

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Charles Johnson Nov 9, 2016 • 2:36:15pm

@PennyRed That’s crazy talk.

— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) November 9, 2016

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Myron Falwell (no relation) Nov 9, 2016 • 2:36:37pm

re: #123 blueraven

This has not been confirmed. I know the situation is bad for many groups and for all decent, caring people really. But we shouldn’t start disseminating info that may or may not be true. This helps no one.

Gotcha. It’s gonna be hard, though.

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HappyWarrior Nov 9, 2016 • 2:37:56pm

re: #133 Charles Johnson

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blueraven Nov 9, 2016 • 2:38:15pm

re: #134 Myron Falwell (no relation)

Gotcha. It’s gonna be hard, though.

{{{{{I know}}}}}

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goddamnedfrank Nov 9, 2016 • 2:39:43pm

I was already super comfortable with not having kids but now I’m absolutely fucking relieved. Can’t imagine explaining this shit to a child.

— Franksgiving (@goddamnedfrank) November 9, 2016

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Decatur Deb Nov 9, 2016 • 2:39:57pm

re: #128 blueraven

From one hour ago

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Sounds like Propane Jane has torn up her Stronger Together poster.

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Patricia Kayden Nov 9, 2016 • 2:40:01pm

re: #2 Lidane

Why would you reign in the urge to tell them the truth? Voting for Trump will have severe consequences for many of our fellow Americans — including losing access to affordable healthcare for millions. I hope Democrats remind those who voted for Trump of these consequences every chance we get.

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Teukka Nov 9, 2016 • 2:40:06pm

re: #117 electrotek

This has been on repeat since last night for me:

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I’ve never been this much in despair until now.

Alas, I have only one upding to give…

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Stanley Sea Nov 9, 2016 • 2:40:48pm

Someone spray painted “Black lives don’t matter and neither does your votes” on a wall in Durham overnight. pic.twitter.com/Idfm5T8RFg

— Derrick Lewis (@DerrickQLewis) November 9, 2016

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HappyWarrior Nov 9, 2016 • 2:41:32pm

re: #141 Stanley Sea

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goddamnedfrank Nov 9, 2016 • 2:41:39pm

Politico says Trump is considering Sarah Palin for Interior Sec. Time for another @DOPEITSTOM Vine shoutout. https://t.co/TVS4VQJYLf

— Jim Roberts (@nycjim) November 9, 2016

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Yeah. I’m gonna have to tap out for four years. This shit is ridiculous. https://t.co/mxFyqmvWW1

— Imani Gandied Yams (@AngryBlackLady) November 9, 2016

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@AngryBlackLady It’s like we overnight went from relatively normal to Bizarro World on Bath Salts.

Because we did.

— Franksgiving (@goddamnedfrank) November 9, 2016

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Charles Johnson Nov 9, 2016 • 2:41:43pm

Politico says Trump is considering Sarah Palin for Interior Sec. Time for another @DOPEITSTOM Vine shoutout. https://t.co/TVS4VQJYLf

— Jim Roberts (@nycjim) November 9, 2016

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Of course. Makes perfect sense. @nycjim https://t.co/muTtFZE96y

— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) November 9, 2016

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The Trump administration is going to be a freak show to end all freak shows. @nycjim

— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) November 9, 2016

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HappyWarrior Nov 9, 2016 • 2:42:45pm

re: #143 goddamnedfrank

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Belafon Nov 9, 2016 • 2:43:19pm

re: #137 goddamnedfrank

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Yes, because I have three, one of whom voted for the first time in this election. I’m having that conversation.

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Patricia Kayden Nov 9, 2016 • 2:43:22pm

re: #4 dlnathan

Yep. The poorly educated White men who voted for Trump in droves will be hit harder than many of us who are living in blue states and have insurance via our jobs. It will be interesting to see how his White male supporters react to his inability to fulfill all of his ridiculous promises.

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No Depression Nov 9, 2016 • 2:44:11pm

I’m seeing a Not My President silent protest being planned for Inauguration Day on Facebook.

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Patricia Kayden Nov 9, 2016 • 2:44:36pm

re: #143 goddamnedfrank

Thank goodness, she won’t be our next Secretary of Education. Whew!

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blueraven Nov 9, 2016 • 2:45:26pm

re: #143 goddamnedfrank

Please God make it stop.

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wrenchwench Nov 9, 2016 • 2:45:29pm

This isn’t like being hit by a car again, but there are similarities.

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HappyWarrior Nov 9, 2016 • 2:45:43pm

re: #149 Patricia Kayden

Thank goodness, she won’t be our next Secretary of Education. Whew!

Interior is even worse though.

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blueraven Nov 9, 2016 • 2:46:01pm

re: #148 No Depression

I’m seeing a Not My President silent protest being planned for Inauguration Day on Facebook.

Oh yeah, that will help. /

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Bubblehead II Nov 9, 2016 • 2:46:30pm

re: #87 BlueGrl21

Ok, my darling Lizardim, this is the place where your fightin’ Texas contingent can help us all get through this together.

We know your fear. Your anger. Your despair. I have watched it happen here my whole life. I have been crushingly disappointed, been deeply scared for my friends and my family.

We have had the craziest, stupidest state government possible. Look at us.

And yet, my Houston is the most diverse city in the country. Trump got his ass handed to him here.

So, here is what I want all of you to do:

1. Get PISSED. Cry. Wring your hands and yell at the sky and pray to the deity of your choice or none at all. Don’t let anyone tell you you’re being dramatic and ridiculous and this too shall pass. Get it out.

2. Go find your tribe and hug them. Tell them you have their back. Let them get yours.

3. Give it a bit before you talk to the winners. They can’t help but be tacky, it’s what they do.

4. Learn two expressions for the inevitable letdown they will have in a couple of months: “Well, that’s a real shame” and “Wow, you’re going to have to find someone to help you with that.”

5. Take care of the kids.

6. You get right back up and fight. Fight like hell. You have to be smart and strategic. You have to be bitterly honest about the situation and still go right back into the arena. You have to exploit every opening and not give away even one inch of territory you hold without a fight.

It’s a shitty day and a shitty year. It’s not a shitty life.

Onward.

Quoted for truth.

Yes, this is a dark day for U.S. politics. tRump got elected. Get over it. Yes, people are going to get hurt and hurt bad and yes, that includes my Mate who will either lose her insurance coverage because of preexisting medical conditions or see her premiums sky rocket.

But remember this. tRump is an egotistical SOB who is in this for himself. The first time a piece of rethuglican legislation he signs into law and then blows up in his face, making him look bad, he will turn on them in a heart beat.

It is who and what he is. If you become a liability, he will drop you like a red hot coal and that even includes Pence. I am laying odds they will push for a bridge to far to soon and it will blow up in their face.

tRump doesn’t like being seen as a failure and he will do anything in his power to prevent that. Even if that means vetoing some of their legislation.

On the other hand, I have been hitting the Crown and sucking down some beer as well. So this all could be some wishful thinking

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Belafon Nov 9, 2016 • 2:46:31pm

re: #147 Patricia Kayden

Yep. The poorly educated White men who voted for Trump in droves will be hit harder than many of us who are living in blue states and have insurance via our jobs. It will be interesting to see how his White male supporters react to his inability to fulfill all of his ridiculous promises.

I wonder if the next step will be our own cultural revolution.

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Schweppes7 Nov 9, 2016 • 2:46:58pm

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Stanley Sea Nov 9, 2016 • 2:47:27pm

Mexican newspapers have no chill pic.twitter.com/OoEf00CKmp

— Downtown Josh Brown (@ReformedBroker) November 9, 2016

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Skip Intro Nov 9, 2016 • 2:47:40pm

re: #45 HappyWarrior

I lose my head thinking about what bothers me most here. I think it’s that racist assholes like Bannon, Trump, CCJ, and others got legitimized by the electorate last night.

Yup, they sure did. Breitbart is now the best connected web site in the world.

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Lidane Nov 9, 2016 • 2:48:16pm

re: #139 Patricia Kayden

Why would you reign in the urge to tell them the truth? Voting for Trump will have severe consequences for many of our fellow Americans — including losing access to affordable healthcare for millions. I hope Democrats remind those who voted for Trump of these consequences every chance we get.

Because they’re family. And I don’t need them to cause drama. As it is, I only visit my mom’s side of the family at Thanksgiving and Christmas.

I’m already going to have to deal with this shit twice in the next few weeks. I just want to get through it without starting an argument, then come back home.

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HappyWarrior Nov 9, 2016 • 2:48:29pm

re: #158 Skip Intro

Yup, they sure did. Breitbart is now the best connected web site in the world.

Breitbart has a friend in the WH.

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Stanley Sea Nov 9, 2016 • 2:48:49pm

re: #156 Schweppes7

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Scottishdragon Nov 9, 2016 • 2:49:05pm

re: #155 Belafon

I wonder if the next step will be our own cultural revolution.

My spouse and I both think we are headed to a national break up of some sort. Maybe a civil war 2.0…

In any event, there are two very different Americas and we do not share the same values or even the same empirical facts.

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Belafon Nov 9, 2016 • 2:49:57pm

Any answer should also include “He doesn’t have a mandate; he didn’t win the popular vote.” Yes, I know it won’t do much, but we can always say the over all population knew better then to elect him.

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Ziggy_TARDIS Nov 9, 2016 • 2:50:06pm

re: #154 Bubblehead II

Yeah, I’m thinking there is a good chance something like this will happen. Not only that, but Republican Economic Illiteracy will cause an incredibly deep recession in short order. The Democrats only need to rebuild our strength.

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Odie Hugh Manatee Nov 9, 2016 • 2:50:07pm

Our adult son not only voted in his first Presidential election this year, he is now seeing what happens when someone who is not looking out for your interests in elected. What he is seeing is that the health care that he enjoys via our health care policy is now in danger of being taken away from him. After this experience I know that he’ll be voting for the rest of his life. He registered as a Democrat (his Sis, Mom and I are small “i” independents) and voted for Hillary, as did the rest of us. Last night our daughter told us that she’s going to hit the County Clerk’s office soon and register as a Democrat because she said that she can’t think of any time that she’ll be ever vote anything else.

Her Mom and I will be joining her.

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blueraven Nov 9, 2016 • 2:50:41pm

re: #156 Schweppes7

Molotov!

er…better yet, Mazel tov!!

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Ziggy_TARDIS Nov 9, 2016 • 2:51:10pm

re: #162 Scottishdragon

I’m beginning to think the same. One part of the US resembles Canada. The rest, something like Russia.

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Skip Intro Nov 9, 2016 • 2:51:47pm

re: #109 makeitstop

Glaring Irony: The First Lady will be…an immigrant who flouted the law.

Saying that in three months will get you a visit by the SS.

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Myron Falwell (no relation) Nov 9, 2016 • 2:54:09pm

Food for thought.

For those fleeing to Canada, do what you must, but remember your privilege:https://t.co/5p4KAlyr89

— Tonya Wind Singer (@Tonya_Song) November 9, 2016

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Teukka Nov 9, 2016 • 2:54:14pm

re: #168 Skip Intro

Saying that in three months will get you a visit by the SS.

Or the SA equivalent.

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Mike Lamb Nov 9, 2016 • 2:55:27pm

That 100 day “plan” is pretty horrifying. Just nonsensical bullshit. Cut 2 regs for every new 1? Hiring freeze? Get rid of all EO’s?

And this isn’t just pie-in-the-sky bullshit. It’s all incredibly easy to obtain.

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Myron Falwell (no relation) Nov 9, 2016 • 2:56:07pm

re: #168 Skip Intro

Saying that in three months will get you a visit by the SS.

Headed by noted floor-shitter Rage Furby.

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Timothy Watson Nov 9, 2016 • 2:56:59pm

re: #171 Mike Lamb

That 100 day “plan” is pretty horrifying. Just nonsensical bullshit. Cut 2 regs for every new 1? Hiring freeze? Get rid of all EO’s?

And this isn’t just pie-in-the-sky bullshit. It’s all incredibly easy to obtain.

Coming from the same person who said that he would use an Executive Order to get rid of the PPACA.

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Decatur Deb Nov 9, 2016 • 2:57:05pm

re: #167 Ziggy_TARDIS

I’m beginning to think the same. One part of the US resembles Canada. The rest, something like Russia.

There is not going to be a Civil War, unless you define it down to include a bunch of tax assessors and school teachers blown away in parking lots. The requisites for revolt aren’t there, and it would almost be better if the assholes tried.

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blueraven Nov 9, 2016 • 2:57:21pm

Wikileaks: adored by the Far Left and Trumpians.

Putin’s closest political advisor Sergey Markov: “Maybe we helped a bit with WikiLeaks.”

(!)https://t.co/9qEHj734nV

— Pussy Riot (@pussyrrriot) November 9, 2016

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Belafon Nov 9, 2016 • 2:57:28pm

re: #172 Myron Falwell (no relation)

Headed by noted floor-shitter Rage Furby.

I suspect the uniform will look like shit on him.

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Teukka Nov 9, 2016 • 2:58:15pm

re: #176 Belafon

I suspect the uniform will look like shit on him.

No, that’s the SA uniform.

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Scottishdragon Nov 9, 2016 • 2:58:15pm

Will AG Giuliani use the justice dept to punish, investigate and arrest liberal groups, BLM and high profile critics of the administration?

Discuss.

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HappyWarrior Nov 9, 2016 • 2:58:33pm

re: #175 blueraven

Wikileaks: adored by the Far Left and Trumpians.

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HappyWarrior Nov 9, 2016 • 2:59:24pm

re: #178 Scottishdragon

Will AG Giuliani use the justice dept to punish, investigate and arrest liberal groups, BLM and high profile critics of the administration?

Discuss.</blockquot
I’m afraid so.

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Myron Falwell (no relation) Nov 9, 2016 • 2:59:33pm

re: #177 Teukka

No, that’s the SA uniform.

He’d be pointing his rifle at his own clubbed feet.

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goddamnedfrank Nov 9, 2016 • 2:59:51pm

The hottest take so far.

I must have missed the part where Obama ran on ethno-religious scapegoating, fear, constant lying and promises of torture. @nickconfessore

— Franksgiving (@goddamnedfrank) November 9, 2016

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blueraven Nov 9, 2016 • 3:00:15pm

re: #178 Scottishdragon

Will AG Giuliani use the justice dept to punish, investigate and arrest liberal groups, BLM and high profile critics of the administration?

Discuss.

Wikileaks will save us!!

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Patricia Kayden Nov 9, 2016 • 3:00:47pm

re: #148 No Depression

I’m seeing a Not My President silent protest being planned for Inauguration Day on Facebook.

Trump will never be my President. I take no responsibility for whatever nonsense he imposes on this country. I had to laugh when he was talking about unifying the country during his victory speech. This is the man who promised not to concede if he lost the election. Some nerve.

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Bubblehead II Nov 9, 2016 • 3:01:02pm

re: #178 Scottishdragon

Will AG Giuliani use the justice dept to punish, investigate and arrest liberal groups, BLM and high profile critics of the administration?

Discuss.

Do bears shit in the woods?

Hell. he will make Nixon look like a piker.

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Decatur Deb Nov 9, 2016 • 3:01:18pm

re: #183 blueraven

Wikileaks will save us!!

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If Trump gets out of hand, Anonymous will tame him.

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Pawn of the Oppressor Nov 9, 2016 • 3:01:28pm

I wonder if Canada would take us. Do they want a “Lower Canada” consisting of (edit) California and the PacNW, upper-central Midwest, and New England? We’d have to cut some agreements to keep our guns and bad crazy contained. I would happily let them exploit the shit out of us, if it meant not being under a Rethuglican Christo-fascist-ocracy for the next decade. They can even put up a wall if they want.

I only ask that they make my coastal Georgia island a colony. They can put a Canadian Navy base in my backyard.

re: #172 Myron Falwell (no relation)

Headed by noted floor-shitter Rage Furby.

I’ve seen how he shoots. I’m not worried.

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KerFuFFler Nov 9, 2016 • 3:02:00pm

re: #86 Kragar

The new “Death Panels: The GOP telling women they can’t abort an ectopic pregnancy because they’re “pro-life”

THIS!

Having such an extreme policy is so anti-family. Couples who want to start families will face needless risks to their lives and health. And young children will lose their mothers for no reason whatsoever. Ectopic pregnancies kill mothers and the unborn so there is no way this policy is “pro-life”.

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Scottishdragon Nov 9, 2016 • 3:02:18pm

re: #174 Decatur Deb

There is not going to be a Civil War, unless you define it down to include a bunch of tax assessors and school teachers blown away in parking lots. The requisites for revolt aren’t there, and it would almost be better if the assholes tried.

The radical armed left has not been around since the 70’s…but times change.

Things that could precipitate armed insurgency:

crackdowns on peaceful protest
new war in ME or Asia, including use of WMD by our side.
pogroms against minority groups here in the US by nationalists
delay of next POTUS election due to “national emergency”

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Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance Nov 9, 2016 • 3:02:22pm

re: #186 Decatur Deb

If Trump gets out of hand, Anonymous will tame him.

he’s the perfect target for them.

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Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance Nov 9, 2016 • 3:03:38pm

re: #187 Pawn of the Oppressor

don’t forget to include california.

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Decatur Deb Nov 9, 2016 • 3:03:52pm

re: #190 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

he’s the perfect target for them.

Do you want me to come up there with these sarc tags?

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baileylamb Nov 9, 2016 • 3:04:02pm

re: #28 Lidane

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Say goodbye to every bit of social progress we’ve made since Jim Crow ended. It’s all gone.

And this is why I asked family members for money so we can leave. They (my white inlaws) have a sick fantasy that if things get bad we can just illegal cross lake Erie and live in Canada. They have no clue about the past. There are 40 million black people in America, I dont think Canada would take on 40 million plus ppl. Heck last time black Americans tried to go to Canada in mass (legally), Canada put a swift end to it.

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Jebediah, RBG Nov 9, 2016 • 3:04:29pm

re: #156 Schweppes7

Awesome! Mazel tov!

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Patricia Kayden Nov 9, 2016 • 3:04:53pm

re: #178 Scottishdragon

Will AG Giuliani use the justice dept to punish, investigate and arrest liberal groups, BLM and high profile critics of the administration?

Discuss.

You mean to ask whether a racist like Giuliani, who is working for a racist like Donald Trump, would act aggressively against an anti-racist Black social justice group like Black Lives Matter? Why yes, he would.

I also don’t see anything good happening for the Native Americans fighting for their land rights and clean water in North Dakota.

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KGxvi Nov 9, 2016 • 3:07:06pm

re: #187 Pawn of the Oppressor

I wonder if Canada would take us. Do they want a “Lower Canada” consisting of the PacNW, upper-central Midwest, and New England? We’d have to cut some agreements to keep our guns and bad crazy contained. I would happily let them exploit the shit out of us, if it meant not being under a Rethuglican Christo-fascist-ocracy for the next decade. They can even put up a wall if they want.

I only ask that they make my coastal island a colony. They can put a Canadian Navy base in my backyard.

I’ve seen how he shoots. I’m not worried.

Would Washington and Oregon (or at least the western parts of those states) be better off with Canada or an independent California (probably including Clark County, NV)?

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Patricia Kayden Nov 9, 2016 • 3:07:45pm

re: #175 blueraven

And because Trump refused to reveal his tax returns, we will never know to which countries he is heavily indebted and therefore to which countries he owes allegiance. We can only assume that he owes a lot to Russian oligarchs and this is why he refused to criticize Putin during his Presidential campaign.

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HappyWarrior Nov 9, 2016 • 3:10:14pm

re: #182 goddamnedfrank

The hottest take so far.

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Comparing Trump to Obama? Puke.

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Decatur Deb Nov 9, 2016 • 3:10:54pm

re: #193 baileylamb

And this is why I asked family members for money so we can leave. They (my white inlaws) have a sick fantasy that if things get bad we can just illegal cross lake Erie and live in Canada. They have no clue about the past. There are 40 million black people in America, I dont think Canada would take on 40 million plus ppl. Heck last time black Americans tried to go to Canada in mass (legally), Canada put a swift end to it.

Move to some place you can trust the cops. Let me think now…

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Stanley Sea Nov 9, 2016 • 3:12:43pm

“Don’t give in to racist fear, Muslims are welcome here” pic.twitter.com/53NtJPavLJ

— Sam Charles (@samjcharles) November 9, 2016

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Chicago

“Don’t give in to racist fear, Muslims are welcome here”

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Skip Intro Nov 9, 2016 • 3:13:57pm

Faces of Donald Trump Revolution tell timeless story of courage, steadfastness, and slaves breaking the chains of imperialist masters. pic.twitter.com/hurLS1Qiy8

— DPRK News Service (@DPRK_News) November 9, 2016

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Scout Nov 9, 2016 • 3:14:03pm

In trying to think back on when I felt this low before, I think it was the U.S. invasion of Iraq. I knew deep in my heart it was a mistake that would carry unforeseen evil, and that’s exactly how I feel now. We don’t know what evil will come from this, but we do know — with no doubt whatsoever — that it will be evil.

Forgive me for being so negative. I just had to relieve a little of the pressure.

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HappyWarrior Nov 9, 2016 • 3:14:33pm

re: #200 Stanley Sea

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Chicago“Don’t give in to racist fear, Muslims are welcome here”

And that’s why I’ll defend Chicago and “big city elites.” Whereas “real America” is nowhere near as friendly to immigrants as our cities are.

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Skip Intro Nov 9, 2016 • 3:15:01pm

re: #202 Scout

In trying to think back on when I felt this low, I think it was the U.S. invasion of Iraq. I knew deep in my heart it was a mistake that would carry unforeseen evil, and that’s exactly how I feel now. We don’t know what evil will come from this, but we do know — with no doubt whatsoever — that it will be evil.

Forgive me for being so negative. I just had to relieve a little of the pressure.

Only a stage IV cancer diagnosis could make me feel this low.

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wrenchwench Nov 9, 2016 • 3:17:57pm

re: #202 Scout

In trying to think back on when I felt this low before, I think it was the U.S. invasion of Iraq. I knew deep in my heart it was a mistake that would carry unforeseen evil, and that’s exactly how I feel now. We don’t know what evil will come from this, but we do know — with no doubt whatsoever — that it will be evil.

Forgive me for being so negative. I just had to relieve a little of the pressure.

I remember the day after Reagan was elected president. I was riding my bike to work, swearing at everyone under my breath as I rode through a neighborhood that probably helped elect him. But I was in California, where he had been governor, so I was not nearly as stunned as I am today.

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Belafon Nov 9, 2016 • 3:18:01pm

We should start a conspiracy theory on why Trump knew he wouldn’t have to concede.

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Eclectic Cyborg Nov 9, 2016 • 3:18:10pm

re: #66 Ziggy_TARDIS

Propane Jane has apparently been suspended from Twitter.

Meanwhile plenty of deplorables are still on there.

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stpaulbear Nov 9, 2016 • 3:18:54pm

The editor of The New Yorker lays it all out.

The election of Donald Trump to the Presidency is nothing less than a tragedy for the American republic, a tragedy for the Constitution, and a triumph for the forces, at home and abroad, of nativism, authoritarianism, misogyny, and racism. Trump’s shocking victory, his ascension to the Presidency, is a sickening event in the history of the United States and liberal democracy. On January 20, 2017, we will bid farewell to the first African-American President—a man of integrity, dignity, and generous spirit—and witness the inauguration of a con who did little to spurn endorsement by forces of xenophobia and white supremacy. It is impossible to react to this moment with anything less than revulsion and profound anxiety.

He’s just getting started with this paragraph.

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Skip Intro Nov 9, 2016 • 3:19:53pm

re: #204 Skip Intro

On second thought, there was another time. It was the day JFK was assassinated.

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Eclectic Cyborg Nov 9, 2016 • 3:21:16pm

re: #209 Skip Intro

On second thought, there was another time. It was the day JFK was assassinated.

I wasn’t alive then but I after last night I can understand to a point how it felt.

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bratwurst Nov 9, 2016 • 3:22:09pm

re: #204 Skip Intro

Only a stage IV cancer diagnosis could make me feel this low.

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Decatur Deb Nov 9, 2016 • 3:22:48pm

re: #211 bratwurst

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Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance Nov 9, 2016 • 3:23:17pm

I was depressed when bush won again in 04 but half expected it given we had John Kerry running. This time I am depressed but also pissed and while I am freaking exhausted today from lack of sleep I am determined to do whatever I can locally.

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freetoken Nov 9, 2016 • 3:24:11pm

The Atlantic queries:

Why Christians Overwhelmingly Backed Trump

One of the answers in the article is “abortion” and that is probably true.

But I find writer totally missing so much from the religious right worldview, such as no woman should be the “head” of a man, etc.

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Eclectic Cyborg Nov 9, 2016 • 3:25:13pm

It occurs to me now that I will become a U.S. Citizen during Trumps presidency.

Not quite how I’d hoped that would go down.

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Skip Intro Nov 9, 2016 • 3:26:15pm

re: #210 Eclectic Cyborg

I wasn’t alive then but I after last night I can understand to a point how it felt.

That and 9/11 because both times I knew the world was changed for the worse, forever.

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freetoken Nov 9, 2016 • 3:26:48pm

So many of the intellectuals who write for these high-brow magazines, when writing about religion, especially fundamentalist Christianity, just seem like they don’t have any real experience.

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Decatur Deb Nov 9, 2016 • 3:27:32pm

re: #214 freetoken

The Atlantic queries:

Why Christians Overwhelmingly Backed Trump

One of the answers in the article is “abortion” and that is probably true.

But I find writer totally missing so much from the religious right worldview, such as no woman should be the “head” of a man, etc.

The RC hierarchy is not as monolithic as it seems, but it generally balanced abortion mania with strong social-justice messages. That’s this time, it was ‘all foetus, all the time’ in 2012.

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Timothy Watson Nov 9, 2016 • 3:28:23pm

Your evening levity for the Star Wars fans:

Crystal Star Really Is the Worst Star Wars Book Ever https://t.co/noN2d8Ap1P

— Timothy Watson (@timothy_watson) November 9, 2016

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Patricia Kayden Nov 9, 2016 • 3:28:38pm

re: #157 Stanley Sea

O-o. Now Trump is really going to make them pay for that wall.

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Scout Nov 9, 2016 • 3:28:55pm

I stole this comment from another site, but I think it carries a lot of wisdom:

Let’s also be clear that the Trump campaign’s whole strategy for the last few months was to make people as disgusted by the whole process as possible. And they constantly had help from the media and even the FBI. They knew the deplorables would vote, and if they threw enough shit they could get less reliable voters to stay home.

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bratwurst Nov 9, 2016 • 3:29:16pm

Probably liberal plants behind this, right?

It’s the 78th anniversary of Kristallnacht. #thedayafter https://t.co/bzGeY8CMxv?

— haaretz.com (@haaretzcom) November 9, 2016

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And in honor of the anniversary (which is never called Kristallnacht in Germany itself), may I suggest my page on the little known story of that night in Berlin?

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Skip Intro Nov 9, 2016 • 3:32:40pm

re: #222 bratwurst

It’s going to be impressive watching how the media completely ignores all this.

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We're Way Beyond Snark Nov 9, 2016 • 3:33:14pm

re: #215 Eclectic Cyborg

It occurs to me now that I will become a U.S. Citizen during Trumps presidency.

Not quite how I’d hoped that would go down.

Is it too late to change your mind?

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Belafon Nov 9, 2016 • 3:33:41pm

re: #224 Snarknado!

Is it too late to change your mind?

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We need all the help we can get.

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Patricia Kayden Nov 9, 2016 • 3:34:41pm

re: #208 stpaulbear

“There is no reason to believe that Trump and his band of associates—Chris Christie, Rudolph Giuliani, Mike Pence, and, yes, Paul Ryan—are in any mood to govern as Republicans within the traditional boundaries of decency. Trump was not elected on a platform of decency, fairness, moderation, compromise, and the rule of law; he was elected, in the main, on a platform of resentment.”

This. Our country will be run by a hateful, spiteful man. What a disgrace.

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Backwoods_Sleuth Nov 9, 2016 • 3:34:52pm

deadthread troll directly downstairs

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Scout Nov 9, 2016 • 3:35:49pm

re: #208 stpaulbear

Thanks very much for sharing that piece. Very powerful.

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klys (maker of Silmarils) Nov 9, 2016 • 3:36:14pm

So on my run today, I listened (as I do) to another episode in the post-apocalyptic zombie world story that I run to. And today’s mission was escorting a reporter while doing a routine pickup for batteries. Of course, things don’t go quite as planned, etc., but in the end it all comes out well and the reporter is talking about why he’s staying a reporter. The quote resonated with today.

You may not see it this way, but your story’s going to bring hope to a lot of scared people out there. I know that cat rescues and zombie celebs aren’t everyone’s cup of tea, but reminding people that we’re all still surviving, that people can work together and keep going, keep being brave, even at a time like this - it’s worth something to a lot of us.

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Stanley Sea Nov 9, 2016 • 3:37:59pm

My neighbor (Trump supporter) said “I hope u don’t hate me based on who I voted for”

Me: No, but based on who u voted for I think u hate me

— Jasmine (@JasmineLWatkins) November 9, 2016

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Blind Frog Belly White Nov 9, 2016 • 3:38:51pm

My wingnut cousin on FB posted this:

If you say you’re not a racist, misogynist, homophobic bigot, but you support a candidate who ran on a platform of racism, misogyny, homophobia, and bigotry, how is that different from being a racist, misogynist, homophobic bigot yourself? Seems like a distinction without a difference.

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stpaulbear Nov 9, 2016 • 3:38:53pm

Fuck.

St. Paul schools offer ’emotional support’ for kids upset by election results

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Patricia Kayden Nov 9, 2016 • 3:38:59pm

re: #214 freetoken

Abortion rates fall under Democratic administrations.
politicususa.com

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thedopefishlives Nov 9, 2016 • 3:40:06pm

re: #233 stpaulbear

Fuck.

twincities.com

Why is that a “fuck”? Seems like MN is doing a good thing.

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Tigger2 Nov 9, 2016 • 3:40:26pm

IVE BEEN DISAPPOINTED BEFORE, BUT THIS IS THE FIRST TIME IVE EVER BEEN ASHAMED OF MY COUNTRY pic.twitter.com/rWZTzmmzc0

— American Judiciary (@freedomatters2) November 9, 2016

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#ElectionResults #Imstillwithher https://t.co/8SUJYAWcn9

— American Judiciary (@freedomatters2) November 9, 2016

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stpaulbear Nov 9, 2016 • 3:41:12pm

re: #233 stpaulbear

I updated 233. You’ll have to refresh.

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Timothy Watson Nov 9, 2016 • 3:41:14pm

re: #235 thedopefishlives

Why is that a “fuck”? Seems like MN is doing a good thing.

I think his comment is in response to the necessity of it.

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Patricia Kayden Nov 9, 2016 • 3:41:17pm

re: #233 stpaulbear

My friends and I need some therapy ourselves. We’re in shock.

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Decatur Deb Nov 9, 2016 • 3:42:48pm

re: #236 Tigger2

IVE BEEN DISAPPOINTED BEFORE, BUT THIS IS THE FIRST TIME IVE EVER BEEN ASHAMED OF MY COUNTRY

Obviously someone who remembers the 60s as a blur.

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stpaulbear Nov 9, 2016 • 3:42:59pm

re: #235 thedopefishlives

Why is that a “fuck”? Seems like MN is doing a good thing.

“Fuck’ that schools need to provide emotional support services because of who was elected president. It is a good thing, but to me it’s a sign of a sick society.

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No Depression Nov 9, 2016 • 3:43:02pm

Shameful:

Just in: the view from Burlington. @BernieSanders on @RealDonaldTrump’s election pic.twitter.com/fIE1laaPrk

— Gabriel Debenedetti (@gdebenedetti) November 9, 2016

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Jesus Christ. Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren BOTH say they’ll work with Trump. No backbone. Gutless. Ready to push Dems to the right. https://t.co/48LfmKCnov

— Marcus Hassan (@smoothkobra) November 9, 2016

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Patricia Kayden Nov 9, 2016 • 3:45:03pm

re: #79 Charles Johnson

Neo Nazis are ecstatic that they have their man in the White House. We’re going to see the racists come out of the woodwork in droves.
joemygod.com

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LastYearsMan Nov 9, 2016 • 3:45:12pm

So … The Dilbert guy was right? It’s all about persuasion and persuasion is mostly irrational. Doesn’t matter what your policies are.

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Skip Intro Nov 9, 2016 • 3:45:15pm

re: #242 No Depression

The evidence suggests that they certainly were not tired of billionaires not paying any taxes.

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thedopefishlives Nov 9, 2016 • 3:45:25pm

re: #241 stpaulbear

“Fuck’ that schools need to provide emotional support services because of who was elected president. It is a good thing, but to me it’s a sign of a sick society.

I’ll agree to that. The level of divisiveness in this country is beyond ridiculous. And, if you ask me, that divisiveness is part of what fueled the fire that led to … *cough* *gag* President Donald J. Trump.

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wrenchwench Nov 9, 2016 • 3:46:17pm

Hedgehogs can squeak at 40-90 kHz, well outside range of human hearing. I love curious chirping whistles. Noises: https://t.co/z2QhJ2jIK8 pic.twitter.com/uGPGk28Rha

— realscientists (@realscientists) November 9, 2016

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Myron Falwell (no relation) Nov 9, 2016 • 3:47:27pm

re: #242 No Depression

Shameful:

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Somehow I’m not surprised.

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Interesting Times Nov 9, 2016 • 3:48:00pm

re: #242 No Depression

I don’t know. It almost feels as if they’re going through the “post-election healing process” motions, essentially saying that if trump offers up a policy they support, they’ll work with him. Unless there’s more to the statements not visible in the excerpt, it doesn’t specify what those policies are (and trump’s stated opposition to the TPP is indeed consistent with positions taken by both Sanders and Warren)

_{Or maybe I’m just grasping at whatever self-consoling straws I can…}

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makeitstop Nov 9, 2016 • 3:48:17pm

re: #232 Blind Frog Belly White

My wingnut cousin on FB posted this:

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If you say you’re not a racist, misogynist, homophobic bigot, but you support a candidate who ran on a platform of racism, misogyny, homophobia, and bigotry, how is that different from being a racist, misogynist, homophobic bigot yourself? Seems like a distinction without a difference.

Just like I said to an old friend on Facebook, after he posted stupid shit about celebrities who said they’d move and ended it with ‘Get out of my country’ -

If you’re saying the same shit as the Nazis are saying, who’s gonna be able to tell the difference? Weigh. Your. Words.

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Myron Falwell (no relation) Nov 9, 2016 • 3:48:53pm

re: #241 stpaulbear

“Fuck’ that schools need to provide emotional support services because of who was elected president. It is a good thing, but to me it’s a sign of a sick society.

THIS.
That we have to do this is f—-ing shameful.

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Mike Lamb Nov 9, 2016 • 3:49:24pm

Mitch McConnell says the job is to make Obama a 1 term president.

Warren and Sanders say they’ll work with Trump if possible.

And this is why we are here today.

(Although in their defense, a Democratic politician saying they are trying to make a GOP President a 1 term leader would cause the media to get the vapors and the GOP would demand that every Dem denounce them).

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Belafon Nov 9, 2016 • 3:49:40pm

re: #242 No Depression

Shameful:

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Actually, I expect this part of Trump’s message - that we need to concentrate on the working class - to appeal to both of them. The populist message was being pushed by Sanders as well. What’s sad is hat they’re missing how this will enable the rest of Trump’s agenda and the agenda of the white supremacists supporting him.

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No Depression Nov 9, 2016 • 3:49:47pm

re: #249 Interesting Times

I don’t know. It almost feels as if they’re going through the “post-election healing process” motions, essentially saying that if trump offers up a policy they support, they’ll work with him. Unless there’s more to the statements not visible in the excerpt, it doesn’t specify what those policies are (and trump’s stated opposition to the TPP is indeed consistent with positions taken by both Sanders and Warren)

_{Or maybe I’m just grasping at whatever self-consoling straws I can…}

Perhaps. I’m a little bit in a “burn this motherfucker to the ground” mood right now, so this isn’t the kind of stuff I want to hear.

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Tigger2 Nov 9, 2016 • 3:52:45pm

re: #240 Decatur Deb

Obviously someone who remembers the 60s as a blur.

My 60s were a haze.

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Myron Falwell (no relation) Nov 9, 2016 • 3:53:05pm

All legal residents eligible to apply for citizenship should do so before January 20, 2017, or risk changes that make you ineligible.

— Joaquin Castro (@JoaquinCastrotx) November 9, 2016

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Decatur Deb Nov 9, 2016 • 3:53:22pm

re: #255 Tigger2

My 60s were a haze.

Was it Purple?

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Skip Intro Nov 9, 2016 • 3:53:23pm

If the GOP is united I wonder what Bernie thinks he can do to oppose them?

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wrenchwench Nov 9, 2016 • 3:53:32pm

re: #254 No Depression

Or maybe I’m just grasping at whatever self-consoling straws I can…

Perhaps. I’m a little bit in a “burn this motherfucker to the ground” mood right now, so this isn’t the kind of stuff I want to hear.

The self-consoling straws can provide kindling so we can get this motherfucker lit.

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b_sharp Nov 9, 2016 • 3:55:40pm

re: #169 Myron Falwell (no relation)

Food for thought.

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There are pockets of racism against First Nations people, but generally it’s far less than it was 30yrs ago.

Mcleans tends to go for the hyperbole.

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Decatur Deb Nov 9, 2016 • 3:55:52pm

re: #259 wrenchwench

The self-consoling straws can provide kindling so we can get this motherfucker lit.

Stonekettle says we must maintain decorum.

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Mike Lamb Nov 9, 2016 • 3:56:01pm

The only other explanation I can think of for Warren’s and Sanders’ statements is to con the GOP (somewhat) into thinking that bipartisanship is possible, and therefore, the GOP won’t see an immediate need to change the filibuster rules.

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Blind Frog Belly White Nov 9, 2016 • 3:56:05pm

re: #249 Interesting Times

I don’t know. It almost feels as if they’re going through the “post-election healing process” motions, essentially saying that if trump offers up a policy they support, they’ll work with him. Unless there’s more to the statements not visible in the excerpt, it doesn’t specify what those policies are (and trump’s stated opposition to the TPP is indeed consistent with positions taken by both Sanders and Warren)

_{Or maybe I’m just grasping at whatever self-consoling straws I can…}

“…of billionaires not paying any Federal income taxes…” Sounds a bit loaded.

Honestly, I’m not sure what we gain from total obstruction. I see it more as Sanders, Pelosi, et al. calling Trump’s bluff on his populist promises that weren’t tied to expelling swarthy foreigners

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Kragar Nov 9, 2016 • 3:56:24pm

I do solemnly swear to show Trump all the respect that he and his supporters have shown Obama over the last 8 years. pic.twitter.com/oWS3QLOjXU

— Kragar (@Kragar_LGF) November 9, 2016

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freetoken Nov 9, 2016 • 3:57:33pm

re: #258 Skip Intro

If the GOP is united I wonder what Bernie thinks he can do to oppose them?

One of the problems with Bernie is that he’s in the VT bubble. It’s a small state and he can be re-elected without having to make the strategic compromises that Democrats from states with large and conflicting constituencies have to make.

The Democratic party is at a crossroads, and it seems that the usual opportunists are there to write their own agenda into the flux.

re: #262 Mike Lamb

Possibly. But I suspect that there are plenty of Republicans in the Senate who don’t want to change the rules.

Remember, being a politician is not about hyper-partisanship but being re-elected. A Senator might break from their own party to support (or deny) something for their own constituents.

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Mike Lamb Nov 9, 2016 • 3:58:03pm

re: #263 Blind Frog Belly White

“…of billionaires not paying any Federal income taxes…” Sounds a bit loaded.

Honestly, I’m not sure what we gain from total obstruction. I see it more as Sanders, Pelosi, et al. calling Trump’s bluff on his populist promises that weren’t tied to expelling swarthy foreigners

See GOP, 2016.

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klys (maker of Silmarils) Nov 9, 2016 • 3:58:15pm

re: #254 No Depression

Perhaps. I’m a little bit in a “burn this motherfucker to the ground” mood right now, so this isn’t the kind of stuff I want to hear.

This is part of why I’m going to be choosy and take more breaks and pay a lot of attention to self-care over the next few weeks. Maybe the next four years.

I have to consider where, when, and how to invest myself for the future. To help make sure that the rights I believe America gives all people aren’t restricted. To help make a space where my LGBTQ and Muslim/Jewish/pagan/atheist friends feel safe. To do what I can to protect the environment and make sure there’s still a chance to stop climate change before it’s too late for my friends’ children.

There are so many places that will need to be shored up.

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Myron Falwell (no relation) Nov 9, 2016 • 3:58:33pm

@mcuban I dunno… seeing that #notmypresident is obstructed and imperiled at every turn?

— Nathan Obral 🍁😸🍁 (@myronfalwell) November 9, 2016

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Citizen K Nov 9, 2016 • 3:59:14pm

re: #242 No Depression

Shameful:

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Just like Obama, do you really expect them to go out and say ‘we refuse to work with the Shitgibbon’? How fast do you expect them to be crucified, perhaps literally, after saying that? You’re already fucking seeing his cadre laying out their revenge plan, and as satisfying as it might be to hear a prominent pol give them the finger, having one of our leaders go on a ‘Burn the Motherfucker Down’ tirade this soon after is going to give them all the ammunition for even more crackdown shit.

It’s a fucking disaster, and it makes me want to scream, but it’s really what the have to do at this rate to avoid being nailed to the crosses for now. I fucking hate it, I really absolutely fucking hate it. But it’s not a matter of cowardice, it’s a matter of trying to respect the office more than the man, and simple pragmatism. It doesn’t make it any less of a bitter pill to swallow sadly.

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unproven innocence Nov 9, 2016 • 4:00:04pm

re: #50 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

how is a ‘tax free medical savings account’ going to help people who make too little to pay taxes?

Not at all. The idea is to utterly destroy financial liquidity of individuals and families, while corporations continue to benefit from partnerships, contracts, etc, whereby financial liquidity is multiplied far beyond reason, while limiting risks mostly to other-peoples-money.

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ObserverArt Nov 9, 2016 • 4:00:06pm

re: #93 The Vicious Babushka

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Tigger2 Nov 9, 2016 • 4:00:08pm

re: #257 Decatur Deb

Was it Purple?

Among other colors :) But I listened to a lot of Jimi.

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wrenchwench Nov 9, 2016 • 4:00:29pm

re: #261 Decatur Deb

Stonekettle says we must maintain decorum.

Isn’t he published in a ‘gentlemen’s’ magazine? Does he know anything about decorum?

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HappyWarrior Nov 9, 2016 • 4:00:45pm

re: #242 No Depression

Shameful:

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I’m really getting tired of Bernie getting white working class voters a pass for being bigots. Okay, obviously not all white working class voters are bigots but here’s the thing. Clinton won with Americans who make less than 75 K and Trump did with Americans that make more than that. What’s more? Trump made a killing with Americans who have DONE better since 2011. So, no, Bernie just stop this already. Stop acting like the reason why these people embrace Trump’s message is because of some bs about how they’re frustrated with Washington and trade because the bulk of it is due ot bigotry.

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Citizen K Nov 9, 2016 • 4:01:07pm

re: #266 Mike Lamb

See GOP, 2016.

This assumes that the law of IOKIYAR doesn’t apply anymore. It applies even moreso than it did last week.

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Patricia Kayden Nov 9, 2016 • 4:01:16pm

re: #242 No Depression

Republicans vowed on the day of President Obama’s first inauguration to stymie his every effort to rule and obstructed him throughout his terms. Democrats are doing the opposite with Trump, who is a bigot and has the support of bigots. Why can’t our side fight?

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Mike Lamb Nov 9, 2016 • 4:01:38pm

re: #265 freetoken

One of the problems with Bernie is that he’s in the VT bubble. It’s a small state and he can be re-elected without having to make the strategic compromises that Democrats from states with large and conflicting constituencies have to make.

The Democratic party is at a crossroads, and it seems that the usual opportunists are there to write their own agenda into the flux.

Possibly. But I suspect that there are plenty of Republicans in the Senate who don’t want to change the rules.

Remember, being a politician is not about hyper-partisanship but being re-elected. A Senator might break from their own party to support (or deny) something for their own constituents.

My only hope is that enough GOP senators take a geologic view of their time as an elected official, that they recognize that they won’t be the majority forever; and that they want to retain the filibuster for their own future use.

I just think there are enough nihilists in the Senate that they won’t care, and that they will also see an opportunity to consolidate gains, particularly in the judiciary, that will last 20-30 years.

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Blind Frog Belly White Nov 9, 2016 • 4:02:15pm

re: #266 Mike Lamb

See GOP, 2016.

2009-2016.

I find myself ambivalent about this. On the one hand, turnabout is fairplay. Obstruction seems to have worked a treat for them. But I thought then and think now that it was profoundly un-American. And maybe the latter makes me a patsy, or a pushover. I don’t know yet. I’m just not sure I’m willing to become my enemy to fight my enemy.

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Belafon Nov 9, 2016 • 4:02:16pm

re: #269 Kryptik: Just Done With It.

Just like Obama, do you really expect them to go out and say ‘we refuse to work with the Shitgibbon’? How fast do you expect them to be crucified, perhaps literally, after saying that? You’re already fucking seeing his cadre laying out their revenge plan, and as satisfying as it might be to hear a prominent pol give them the finger, having one of our leaders go on a ‘Burn the Motherfucker Down’ tirade this soon after is going to give them all the ammunition for even more crackdown shit.

It’s a fucking disaster, and it makes me want to scream, but it’s really what the have to do at this rate to avoid being nailed to the crosses for now. I fucking hate it, I really absolutely fucking hate it. But it’s not a matter of cowardice, it’s a matter of trying to respect the office more than the man, and simple pragmatism. It doesn’t make it any less of a bitter pill to swallow sadly.

I would admit that I might be a coward - having two kids a home could do that - but we may also have to decide when it’s time to stand up to them. I’m not sure when to stand up and when to try to cooperate.

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TedStriker Nov 9, 2016 • 4:02:32pm

re: #242 No Depression

Shameful:

Not surprised, because they have to get reelected too, but they didn’t even wait for Hillary’s body to get cold before hitching their wagons to Trump. On top of that, how much do you want to bet that Sanders, health willing, will try to run again in 2020 and that statement of his was to attempt to get back in the BoBs’ good graces?

I understand a bit of realpolitik is required here, considering the Democrats are now going to be relegated to token resistance in Congress for at least the next two years, but fuck them both.

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Patricia Kayden Nov 9, 2016 • 4:03:54pm

re: #256 Myron Falwell (no relation)

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I keep telling my Jamaican Uncle to apply for citizenship. Hopefully, Trump’s election will put a fire under his behind to get it done quickly. Wouldn’t be surprised if Trump tried to ship some of us back to our former countries even if we’re U.S. citizens.

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TedStriker Nov 9, 2016 • 4:04:01pm

re: #262 Mike Lamb

The only other explanation I can think of for Warren’s and Sanders’ statements is to con the GOP (somewhat) into thinking that bipartisanship is possible, and therefore, the GOP won’t see an immediate need to change the filibuster rules.

If that’s true, it’s weak sauce…killing/neutering the filibuster will be one of the first things McConnell & Co. will do when the new Congress starts.

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Citizen K Nov 9, 2016 • 4:04:21pm

re: #276 Patricia Kayden

Republicans vowed on the day of President Obama’s first inauguration to stymie his every effort to rule and obstructed him throughout his terms. Democrats are doing the opposite with Trump, who is a bigot and has the support of bigots. Why can’t our side fight?

Because look at all the trends through this campaign and these terms. Look at the absolute amount of cover and interference ran for them by the media shitheels. Look at the absolute lack of cover given to Dems when they tried something that came even marginally close to that kind of obstruction or pushback. Look at the amount of bullshit they can cover for on Trump before, and the absolute flaying Clinton took time and time again.

Do you believe that we would be allowed to get away with that absolute level of telegraphed obstruction if we promised it? Do you really?

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freetoken Nov 9, 2016 • 4:06:11pm

re: #280 TedStriker

Mostly I take Sanders and Warren’s statement as window dressing. They are doing what the Beltway social circle expects of fine company at their dinner parties.

I wouldn’t read anything more into it.

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Scottishdragon Nov 9, 2016 • 4:06:17pm

re: #283 Kryptik: Just Done With It.

Because look at all the trends through this campaign and these terms. Look at the absolute amount of cover and interference ran for them by the media shitheels. Look at the absolute lack of cover given to Dems when they tried something that came even marginally close to that kind of obstruction or pushback. Look at the amount of bullshit they can cover for on Trump before, and the absolute flaying Clinton took time and time again.

Do you believe that we would be allowed to get away with that absolute level of telegraphed obstruction if we promised it? Do you really?

Agree. The statements are boilerplate. Trump is not going to get help from anybody on the dem side except that useless ass from West Virginia

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ObserverArt Nov 9, 2016 • 4:06:17pm

re: #109 makeitstop

Glaring Irony: The First Lady will be…an immigrant who flouted the law.

Fits right in with Trump who also has flaunted laws.

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Mike Lamb Nov 9, 2016 • 4:06:20pm

re: #278 Blind Frog Belly White

2009-2016.

I find myself ambivalent about this. On the one hand, turnabout is fairplay. Obstruction seems to have worked a treat for them. But I thought then and think now that it was profoundly un-American. And maybe the latter makes me a patsy, or a pushover. I don’t know yet. I’m just not sure I’m willing to become my enemy to fight my enemy.

Leaving aside GOP obstructionism, I’m having real trouble seeing where there would be agreement. I don’t the GOP is going to make more than a de minimis (if that) effort to attract Dem support. Shit, a lot of what they will do will be intentionally designed to piss off the Dems. (Cleek’s law).

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goddamnedfrank Nov 9, 2016 • 4:06:37pm

re: #281 Patricia Kayden

I keep telling my Jamaican Uncle to apply for citizenship. Hopefully, Trump’s election will put a fire under his behind to get it done quickly. Wouldn’t be surprised if Trump tried to ship some of us back to our former countries even if we’re U.S. citizens.

If the GOP goes with the nuclear options and court stacking scheme I’ve outlined a Trump administration could easily overturn Wong Kim Ark and nullify jus solis citizenship within four years.

Don’t put it past them.

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HappyWarrior Nov 9, 2016 • 4:07:24pm

re: #280 TedStriker

Not surprised, because they have to get reelected too, but they didn’t even wait for Hillary’s body to get cold before hitching their wagons to Trump. On top of that, how much do you want to bet that Sanders, health willing, will try to run again in 2020 and that statement of his was to attempt to get back in the BoBs’ good graces?

I understand a bit of realpolitik is required here, considering the Democrats are now going to be relegated to token resistance in Congress for at least the next two years, but fuck them both.

The two are in states that overwhelmingly went for Clinton though. Meanwhile Rubio’s very political career was jump started running for Senate bitching about his governor giving Obama a hug. i mean I can get being gracious in your official statement but I’ve had it up to here with far left whites acting like we should show some sympathy to people who obviously have none towards our LGBT friends, immigrant friends, etc because of their economic problems. I have no problem with helping them out but I have no desire to pander to them either.

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Skip Intro Nov 9, 2016 • 4:07:38pm

re: #286 ObserverArt

Fits right in with Trump who also has flaunted laws.

What makes it perfect is that Trump got into politics by being a birther.

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Timothy Watson Nov 9, 2016 • 4:08:13pm

re: #278 Blind Frog Belly White

2009-2016.

I find myself ambivalent about this. On the one hand, turnabout is fairplay. Obstruction seems to have worked a treat for them. But I thought then and think now that it was profoundly un-American. And maybe the latter makes me a patsy, or a pushover. I don’t know yet. I’m just not sure I’m willing to become my enemy to fight my enemy.

Except that the GOP promised to fight Obama tooth and nail on policies designed to help Americas.

And now the Dems are promising to negotiate with Trump on policies specifically designed to destroy certain communities.

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Decatur Deb Nov 9, 2016 • 4:09:01pm

re: #276 Patricia Kayden

Republicans vowed on the day of President Obama’s first inauguration to stymie his every effort to rule and obstructed him throughout his terms. Democrats are doing the opposite with Trump, who is a bigot and has the support of bigots. Why can’t our side fight?

We’re not them. The slow blade penetrates the shield.

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HappyWarrior Nov 9, 2016 • 4:10:49pm

You know what? Maybe Bernie would have won. I don’t know. But I know this too. I think Hillary would have been a better President than he would. It’s not about winning. It’s about electing a good leader for our country and I have no problem saying that of all the people who sought the Democrats nomination this year, she by far would have made the best President. That said, I do think it’sa pity that Biden didn’t run but that’s that.

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Blind Frog Belly White Nov 9, 2016 • 4:10:56pm

re: #287 Mike Lamb

Leaving aside GOP obstructionism, I’m having real trouble seeing where there would be agreement. I don’t is going to make more than a de minimis (if that) effort to attract Dem support. Shit, a lot of what they will do will be intentionally designed to piss off the Dems. (Cleek’s law).

Remember, some of Trump’s proposals are totally at odds with Republican - even Tea Party dogma. And some of them are that dogma on steroids. He lacks any ideology. And he has no love for Paul Ryan and Mitch McConnell. I could easily see him going around them to work with the Dems on a big Infrastructure program.

The one thing that’s for sure is that Deficits Don’t Matter anymore, because they’re not trying to control a Democratic President.

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Myron Falwell (no relation) Nov 9, 2016 • 4:11:48pm

re: #244 LastYearsMan

So … The Dilbert guy was right? It’s all about persuasion and persuasion is mostly irrational. Doesn’t matter what your policies are.

Regardless, f—- Scott Adams. I’m putting my Dilbert books up for a bonfire.

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HappyWarrior Nov 9, 2016 • 4:12:52pm

re: #295 Myron Falwell (no relation)

Regardless, f—- Scott Adams. I’m putting my Dilbert books up for a bonfire.

Toilet paper. Book burning has a bad reputation for obvious reasons.

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Skip Intro Nov 9, 2016 • 4:13:55pm

re: #294 Blind Frog Belly White

Remember, some of Trump’s proposals are totally at odds with Republican - even Tea Party dogma. And some of them are that dogma on steroids. He lacks any ideology. And he has no love for Paul Ryan and Mitch McConnell. I could easily see him going around them to work with the Dems on a big Infrastructure program.

Only if the Dems agree to a no bid contract with Trump Construction Inc.

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Myron Falwell (no relation) Nov 9, 2016 • 4:15:38pm

re: #296 HappyWarrior

Toilet paper. Book burning has a bad reputation for obvious reasons.

Unless it’s an airplane toilet, would the ply level be too much for water flow?

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Mike Lamb Nov 9, 2016 • 4:15:43pm

re: #294 Blind Frog Belly White

Remember, some of Trump’s proposals are totally at odds with Republican - even Tea Party dogma. And some of them are that dogma on steroids. He lacks any ideology. And he has no love for Paul Ryan and Mitch McConnell. I could easily see him going around them to work with the Dems on a big Infrastructure program.

The one thing that’s for sure is that Deficits Don’t Matter anymore, because they’re not trying to control a Democratic President.

Like what? The bullshit lobbying bans? The terrible child care poicies that will only benefit upper middle class and above?

And that infrastructure program is going to be a series of interstate toll roads. Let’s just shift more wealth from middle and lower class to the upper class.

As for Ryan…I’d be surprised if he’s Speaker of the House come January.

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goddamnedfrank Nov 9, 2016 • 4:15:44pm

Bernie Sanders says Trump “tapped into the anger of a declining middle class” https://t.co/pszYOa4P26

— TIME (@TIME) November 10, 2016

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Utter bullshit, returns prove Trump won because of financially comfortable white people and their “anger” was ethno-religious, not economic. https://t.co/gBvhelw3ef

— Franksgiving (@goddamnedfrank) November 10, 2016

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Skip Intro Nov 9, 2016 • 4:15:48pm

re: #294 Blind Frog Belly White

Candidate Trump said his admin wouldn’t approve the ATT/Time Warner merger and would break up the Comcast/NBC abomination.

President Trump - who knows?

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Frankie Five Angels Nov 9, 2016 • 4:15:57pm

re: #270 unproven innocence

How do you contribute to a “medical savings account” when you don’t have any money to save?

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TedStriker Nov 9, 2016 • 4:16:57pm

re: #292 Decatur Deb

We’re not them. The slow blade penetrates the shield.

They do that too much better than us, it seems.

The GOP has been playing their long game for almost 50 years with Nixon’s Southern Strategy and we Dems seem to get caught flat-footed when they win, as with W and now with Trump.

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Blind Frog Belly White Nov 9, 2016 • 4:18:00pm

re: #301 Skip Intro

Candidate Trump said his admin wouldn’t approve the ATT/Time Warner merger and would break up the Comcast/NBC abomination.

President Trump - who knows?

I know. I mean, for Christ’s sake, the man was claiming Clinton is in the pocket of Wall Street at the same time as he made repealing Dodd-Frank a big part of his pitch!

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Skip Intro Nov 9, 2016 • 4:18:04pm

re: #302 Frankie Five Angels

How do you contribute to a “medical savings account” when you don’t have any money to save?

I had the money when I was buying my own insurance, but there was no point. The max contribution was small as were the tax savings, plus you had tax paperwork to deal with.

Smoke and mirrors.

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HappyWarrior Nov 9, 2016 • 4:18:30pm

re: #300 goddamnedfrank

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Already there Frank. I am so sick of Bernie continuing to spout this. I appreciate that he campaigned for Clinton but he’s continuing to prove me right about why I didn’t want him as our party’s standard bearer. He has no awareness at all for issues that face minorities in this country because he’s in lily white Vermont. No offense to Vermonters but Vermont is so demographically unlike the nation as a whole and that allows Bernie to act like voters just want economic talk.

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Myron Falwell (no relation) Nov 9, 2016 • 4:20:12pm

re: #301 Skip Intro

Candidate Trump said his admin wouldn’t approve the ATT/Time Warner merger and would break up the Comcast/NBC abomination.

President Trump - who knows?

It depends on how much punishment he wants to exact on MSNBC and CNN.

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HappyWarrior Nov 9, 2016 • 4:20:14pm

re: #304 Blind Frog Belly White

I know. I mean, for Christ’s sake, the man was claiming Clinton is in the pocket of Wall Street at the same time as he made repealing Dodd-Frank a big part of his pitch!

He also has a Goldman Sachs guy in mind for his Treasury Secretary I heard. Really this guy is a typical right wing populist and once again it was bought hook line and sinker. Trump Democrats are just as idiotic as Reagan Democrats were and I’m going to have a hard time feeling bad for them when the negative parts of Trump’s policies come through.

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ObserverArt Nov 9, 2016 • 4:21:12pm

A gentle admonishment: please do not tell me to “get over it.” Thanks.

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unproven innocence Nov 9, 2016 • 4:21:32pm

re: #302 Frankie Five Angels

How do you contribute to a “medical savings account” when you don’t have any money to save?

Same way as for an IRA, or Education Savings Account. Your zero dollars are all divided and no longer fungible. /

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Skip Intro Nov 9, 2016 • 4:21:40pm

re: #306 HappyWarrior

One of my election hopes was that the Dems would win back the Senate with a big enough margin that Schumer could reassign Bernie’s office to a broom closet in the basement. The man did a lot of damage, and I’m not forgetting about it.

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Myron Falwell (no relation) Nov 9, 2016 • 4:22:53pm

re: #309 ObserverArt

A gentle admonishment: please do not tell me to “get over it.” Thanks.

SECONDED AND THIRDED.

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wrenchwench Nov 9, 2016 • 4:23:22pm

Hey, Quiet Storm. You’ve passed the upding test (of which there ain’t none), so you can log in now!

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JasonA Nov 9, 2016 • 4:23:29pm

And here…we…go…

MSNBC reporting Newt Gingrich for Sec of State, Giuliani for Attny General

— Ben Adler (@badler) November 9, 2016

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HappyWarrior Nov 9, 2016 • 4:24:25pm

re: #311 Skip Intro

One of my election hopes was that the Dems would win back the Senate with a big enough margin that Schumer could reassign Bernie’s office to a broom closet in the basement. The man did a lot of damage, and I’m not forgetting about it.

This is one millenial who really never saw all the hype of being Berned. Frankly, I think a lot of kids get excited by old white guys like him and Ron Paul who are in fact very backwards looking in how they approach things. Not saying I think Bernie’s right wing but the way Bernie approaches economics is of a time gone by era. I would have liked Bernie a lot more if we were in an industrial era but the fact is times have changed and as I get at, the man continues to show how little he understands the right wing populism isn’t about economics, it’s about resenting people who are different.

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Skip Intro Nov 9, 2016 • 4:24:43pm

re: #314 JasonA

Ben Carson HHS and Sarah Palin Interior or Energy.

Just a prediction for now.

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thedopefishlives Nov 9, 2016 • 4:25:31pm

re: #314 JasonA

And here…we…go…

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This is going to be one of the shortest Administrations in history. Half the Cabinet will be indicted for high crimes before midterms.

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HappyWarrior Nov 9, 2016 • 4:26:13pm

re: #314 JasonA

And here…we…go…

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I never thought I’d say this but I am glad I failed the foreign service officer exam. Work for Newt Gingrich and Trump? Fuck no. And I’m not going to apply for federal work anytime soon. Not like they’d hire me in a Trump Administration with my Schedule A letter (if that will even still exist in the Trump years) or with Trump’s planned hiring freeze.

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freetoken Nov 9, 2016 • 4:26:19pm

re: #300 goddamnedfrank

Agree.

But another discussion that needs to happen is going back to the basics of what the Democratic party is supposed to be, as far as ideology and practice.

I’ve said for a long time that the only description I could come up with to define what is a “Democrat” was this: “Not a Republican”.

Well, that’s not good enough.

I remember back when Bill Clinton first ran, and the discussions about his and Gore’s “way”, their middle ground, so to speak, ideologically, between the more socialist north-eastern Democrats on the one hand and the confederacy left-overs on the other.

BernieBros sound like they are still smarting from the direction that took.

Well, perhaps a new order of Democrats is in store.

I for one think we have to tackle the illusion that many government programs are not socialism. The problem in America is that “socialism” is a dirty word in politics. But socialism is part and parcel to the reshaping of nations around the world since the mid-19th century.

It is important.

But in hyper-religious America, all too often the equation “socialism” = Satan is the sum total of the national dialogue.

So while I think Bernie is being shallowly opportunistic, I also think it is a good time to reframe the Democratic party’s vernacular, the public discussion, and we can start by not shying away from words that are taboo to the religious.

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JasonA Nov 9, 2016 • 4:27:32pm

re: #316 Skip Intro

Ben Carson HHS and Sarah Palin Interior or Energy.

Just a prediction for now.

I wish I could bet against that but who the fuck knows now.

To the victor belong the spoils.

(which I think he actually said IIRC)

The pillaging of our country begins now.

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goddamnedfrank Nov 9, 2016 • 4:28:24pm

Stop complaining of being “scared” of trump being president just because he’s a threat to your corrupt lifestyles.

— cece ⭐️ (@_stacytiffany) November 9, 2016

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You literally used to sell me weed https://t.co/pVEyr9Va6h

— Charlie Kelly (@mariahpickett) November 9, 2016

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TedStriker Nov 9, 2016 • 4:29:00pm

re: #314 JasonA

And here…we…go…

re: #316 Skip Intro

Ben Carson HHS and Sarah Palin Interior or Energy.

Just a prediction for now.

re: #317 thedopefishlives

This is going to be one of the shortest Administrations in history. Half the Cabinet will be indicted for high crimes before midterms.

Congrats, BoBs, Jillbots, party purists, fraidy cats that bought all the RW bullshit about Hillary, and those that didn’t even bother to fucking vote: you’ve given away your (as well as everyone else’s) inheritance for a mess of pottage.

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Skip Intro Nov 9, 2016 • 4:30:12pm

re: #314 JasonA

And here…we…go…

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Is this what Trump meant by “draining the swamp”?

Are three marriages the minimum required for a position in the Trump administration?

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klys (maker of Silmarils) Nov 9, 2016 • 4:30:36pm

I can appreciate the folks who are ready for the intellectual discussion of what went wrong and why and how to move forward.

I’m not there yet. I’m not sure when I will be. I think a lot of women and minorities in particular will take a while to get there, because of the direct threat this represents. It’s hard to be disconnected and above it all when you realize that half the country is okay with treating you as less than a person.

Sorry.

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HappyWarrior Nov 9, 2016 • 4:30:42pm

re: #323 Skip Intro

Is this what Trump meant by “draining the swamp”?

Are three marriages the minimum required for a position in the Trump administration?

Yes and being a general has been as in the case of Rudy and Newt.

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The Vicious Babushka Nov 9, 2016 • 4:31:35pm

Should I even watch “South Park” tonight, or ever again? They painted themselves into a corner this season.

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stpaulbear Nov 9, 2016 • 4:31:52pm

re: #302 Frankie Five Angels

How do you contribute to a “medical savings account” when you don’t have any money to save?

That’s you’re fault!!

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JasonA Nov 9, 2016 • 4:32:56pm

re: #327 stpaulbear

I like the misspelling. Gives it that particular authenticity.

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wrenchwench Nov 9, 2016 • 4:33:24pm

re: #324 klys (maker of Silmarils)

I can appreciate the folks who are ready for the intellectual discussion of what went wrong and why and how to move forward.

I’m not there yet. I’m not sure when I will be. I think a lot of women and minorities in particular will take a while to get there, because of the direct threat this represents. It’s hard to be disconnected and above it all when you realize that half the country is okay with treating you as less than a person.

Sorry.

You left something on there that isn’t needed: ~~[Sorry.~~]

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whitebeach Nov 9, 2016 • 4:34:27pm

The election produced a shameful and disgusting result. I’m sure that many here felt the same deep depression and near-disbelief that I felt on awakening this morning and remembering how the night had ended. I didn’t want to face the day at all.

But the day faced me no matter what I wanted. And as it went on I came to realize that though the election of Trump represents a unique specimen of political ugliness, it is far from the first time that I’ve felt shame, anger, and fear over politics in our country.

Even in high school I was ashamed and angry, deeply so, at my region’s resistance to granting simple civil rights to black people. As I learned more over the years, those feelings widened as I discovered that the South was hardly alone in being racist in America, and that our racism historically extended to a great many other groups. It amazes me that some people think this racism had ended. It has barely even abated, as yesterday demonstrated. It is only kept in check by enforced laws, like a lion in a tamer’s act.

Then in my memory there was the assassination of JFK, and a few years later the murders in quick succession of RFK and MLK. Agaln, shame, anger, fear.

I despised the Vietnam War for almost all of its long duration. I hated the American leaders who brought it to us and kept the genocidal slaughter going. It made Americans hate each other, and it changed my life forever.

Same for the invasion of Iraq, a disaster that haunts and damages us to this day.

The McCarthy Era. Watergate (although at least that one ended with something resembling justice). Other events that some of the younger lizards won’t remember at all, certainly not firsthand. Even the election of Reagan probably hit me as hard at the time as this Trump debacle.

IOW, over a long day I began to see that I, and we, have been through it all before, more than once. The latest cut is always the most painful, but it’s not the first. I’m still here. We’re still here. Yet another era of fear and loathing leers at us, but we’ll fight it and ridicule it as best we can, and if the past is any guide, survive and maybe even thrive. At least, as long as the hard booze holds out.

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Myron Falwell (no relation) Nov 9, 2016 • 4:34:42pm

I made a joke about running for President in 2020 and someone actually took it seriously.

— Matt Haze (@MattHaze) November 10, 2016

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@MattHaze I’m waiting for the endorsement from @30RockTree.

— Nathan Obral 🍁😸🍁 (@myronfalwell) November 10, 2016

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There has to be some federal law against that or something. https://t.co/KyKzcOdRbw

— Matt Haze (@MattHaze) November 10, 2016

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(Note: Matt Haze writes for @30RockTree, if anyone has followed it over the past few years. He just brought it out of retirement last week.)

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Feline Fearless Leader Nov 9, 2016 • 4:34:54pm

re: #18 Big Beautiful Door

Don’t worry, if they ever get “replace” passed, it will include “high risk” pools. $10k a month premium, please.

Actually they will repeal it - and then replace it with something very very similar. And then simply claim the credit for it. Once it doesn’t have Obama’s name on it things are good and following conservative principles!

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freetoken Nov 9, 2016 • 4:35:11pm

re: #324 klys (maker of Silmarils)

This, in my opinion, is the most critical time for framing our discussions.

That is what Bernie is doing.

That is what all the politicians in DC are doing.

PET (by new acronym for Drumpfskind, at least until he takes the actual oath of office) has, by his upturning first the Republican primary, and then the general election, turned DC politics on its side. New coalitions are being formed.

And importantly, first impressions last.

Now is exactly the time that public discourse has to deal with what has happened.

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bratwurst Nov 9, 2016 • 4:36:00pm

I am concerned that Greenwald and Michael Moore are going to get repetitive stress disorder from too much finger wagging today.

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HappyWarrior Nov 9, 2016 • 4:36:18pm

re: #324 klys (maker of Silmarils)

I can appreciate the folks who are ready for the intellectual discussion of what went wrong and why and how to move forward.

I’m not there yet. I’m not sure when I will be. I think a lot of women and minorities in particular will take a while to get there, because of the direct threat this represents. It’s hard to be disconnected and above it all when you realize that half the country is okay with treating you as less than a person.

Sorry.

cracked.com
Sort of relates to what you’re saying. Believe it or not, one of my Libertarian friends had one of the best posts I’ve seen on the aftermath, he’s not worried about himself, he’s worried about other people, I share that sentiment. I worry about women losing the right to choose that was and still so hard fought for, immigrants not feeling welcome in their adopted countries, racial minorities being harassed by resurgent white nationalists, LGBT by a President who according to his VP elect will reverse a lot of the good President Obama did for LGBT rights, etc.

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stpaulbear Nov 9, 2016 • 4:37:34pm

re: #314 JasonA

And here…we…go…

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Trump is going to demand that cameras following his every move. This is going to be a three ring circus clown show with every low life cable-news media whore he can lay his hand on.

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klys (maker of Silmarils) Nov 9, 2016 • 4:37:48pm

re: #333 freetoken

I greatly appreciate your feelings. Which of your rights are you particularly worried about losing?

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HappyWarrior Nov 9, 2016 • 4:38:08pm

re: #334 bratwurst

I am concerned that Greenwald and Michael Moore are going to get repetitive stress disorder from too much finger wagging today.

Moore’s right about the rust belt but not for the reason he thinks. He won’t admit it since he’s a proud Michigan guy but there is a lot of ugly racism that exists in white blue collar communities. It may not be KKK or Neo-Nazi racism but shit is still shit.

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Stanley Sea Nov 9, 2016 • 4:38:44pm

Disturbing stunts in Wellsville, at Canisius College follow Election Day: https://t.co/1vXmLwfsYH pic.twitter.com/Txj7k4Asmk

— The Buffalo News (@TheBuffaloNews) November 9, 2016

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Day 1 continues. So many reports of this throughout the country. https://t.co/UupbOscJnu

— Arnessa (@Rrrrnessa) November 10, 2016

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Skip Intro Nov 9, 2016 • 4:38:45pm

re: #333 freetoken

I think what happened is pretty clear.

1) There are a lot more white men and women who will vote to keep their white privilege than we knew about.

2) Nothing motivates people like hate and fear.

3) Nothing motivates a large number of Democrats at all.

4) If your side doesn’t vote, you lose.

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Backwoods_Sleuth Nov 9, 2016 • 4:39:09pm

In other news, there is still the Senate seat in Louisiana up for grabs.
No one got the needed 50% vote total, so there will be a runoff election on December 10.
The top two vote getters yesterday were John Kennedy (R) with 482,380 votes/25% and Foster Campbell (D) with 337,682/17%. The rest of the votes were split between the remaining 22 candidates.

(David Duke got 3%)

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ObserverArt Nov 9, 2016 • 4:39:20pm

re: #242 No Depression

Shameful:

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Bernie, Bernie, Bernie.

Elizabeth, Elizabeth, Elizabeth.

Folded fast. And people were so sure you were material to be president.

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HappyWarrior Nov 9, 2016 • 4:39:51pm

re: #339 Stanley Sea

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It’s Brexit all over again. Was it always this bad or did Trump really create something truly ugly here?

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Stanley Sea Nov 9, 2016 • 4:40:46pm

re: #343 HappyWarrior

It’s Brexit all over again. Was it always this bad or did Trump really create something truly ugly here?

He opened the gate.

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JasonA Nov 9, 2016 • 4:41:12pm

re: #335 HappyWarrior

cracked.com
Sort of relates to what you’re saying. Believe it or not, one of my Libertarian friends had one of the best posts I’ve seen on the aftermath, he’s not worried about himself, he’s worried about other people, I share that sentiment. I worry about women losing the right to choose that was and still so hard fought for, immigrants not feeling welcome in their adopted countries, racial minorities being harassed by resurgent white nationalists, LGBT by a President who according to his VP elect will reverse a lot of the good President Obama did for LGBT rights, etc.

I’m a white guy with a pretty safe job. Low overhead. I’m not terribly worried about myself (though who the hell knows what’s going to happen to Medicare and Social Security).

I am deathly afraid for other people. For the Latinos, Arabs, African-Americans, the disabled, the people who depend on the ACA… what the hell is going to happen?

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HappyWarrior Nov 9, 2016 • 4:41:37pm

re: #342 ObserverArt

Bernie, Bernie, Bernie.

Elizabeth, Elizabeth, Elizabeth.

Folded fast. And people were so sure you were material to be president.

I’m still giving Warren a shot but to be honest, I was never that thrilled by the idea of her being President. I like her but being a staunch progressive voice doesn’t necessarily mean you should be the next POTUS. As for Bernie, I haven’t thought he was material to be President for a while even though he sort of has grown on me but I do wish he would actually learn about the real racial resentments that do exist that have nothing ot do with economics.

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Myron Falwell (no relation) Nov 9, 2016 • 4:41:54pm

re: #343 HappyWarrior

It’s Brexit all over again. Was it always this bad or did Trump really create something truly ugly here?

Definitely the latter. It’s going to have to take another Civil Rights Movement to combat this.

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TedStriker Nov 9, 2016 • 4:41:57pm

re: #334 bratwurst

I am concerned that Greenwald and Michael Moore are going to get repetitive stress disorder from too much finger wagging today.

I hope their damn fingers fall off.

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stpaulbear Nov 9, 2016 • 4:42:41pm

re: #339 Stanley Sea

It may be a good time to invest in Sherwin-Williams.

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Bubblehead II Nov 9, 2016 • 4:42:41pm

Night Lizards. Please feel free to wallow in your self pity. Hillary lost. Get over it. Now start thinking about how we are going to over come this and fix the damages DT & the rethuglicans are about/going to rain down upon us. Focus people. Look ahead.

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Stanley Sea Nov 9, 2016 • 4:43:24pm

Massive anti-Trump protest in NYC right now pic.twitter.com/jfest0tjCc

— Jim Acosta (@Acosta) November 10, 2016

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Backwoods_Sleuth Nov 9, 2016 • 4:43:30pm

re: #332 Feline Fearless Leader

Actually they will repeal it - and then replace it with something very very similar. And then simply claim the credit for it. Once it doesn’t have Obama’s name on it things are good and following conservative principles!

THIS so much as it applies to Kentucky. The low-info voters here saddled us with Gov. Bevin HATED Obamacare but loved their Kynect (the same damned thing) and now are all upset that Kynect is gone.

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Charles Johnson Nov 9, 2016 • 4:43:30pm

Nazi flag in San Francisco was replaced by a CA Pride flag. Home-owner, NOT a Trump supporter, meant it as a “political statement on Trump” pic.twitter.com/tjM3i42bzM

— Michael Bodley (@michael_bodley) November 9, 2016

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@txvoodoo update https://t.co/XCrlU0j0Mz

— maegwen (@maegwen) November 9, 2016

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HappyWarrior Nov 9, 2016 • 4:44:42pm

re: #345 JasonA

I’m a white guy with a pretty safe job. Low overhead. I’m not terribly worried about myself (though who the hell knows what’s going to happen to Medicare and Social Security).

I am deathly afraid for other people. For the Latinos, Arabs, African-Americans, the disabled, the people who depend on the ACA… what the hell is going to happen?

Me too. I’m not really worried about myself. I do worry a little about ACA being overturned because I have a pre-existing condition. but mostly I worry about other people. That’s what this election was all about for me. The Republicans cater to people like me, they want us angry at all the wrong people instead of them who have been fucking government for years and then telling the American people “Government doesn’t work.” Government works just fine. Government is how my Grandpa even though he was a high school drop out could do trade school, student loans helped my mom become the first girl in her family to get a college degree and has since done well for themselves, SCHIP got my niece health insurance.

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prairiefire Nov 9, 2016 • 4:44:42pm

re: #333 freetoken

This, in my opinion, is the most critical time for framing our discussions.

That is what Bernie is doing.

That is what all the politicians in DC are doing.

PET (by new acronym for Drumpfskind, at least until he takes the actual oath of office) has, by his upturning first the Republican primary, and then the general election, turned DC politics on its side. New coalitions are being formed.

And importantly, first impressions last.

Now is exactly the time that public discourse has to deal with what has happened.

Absolutely! Sharpen the scalpels, this is for my daughter and niece. Ruthlessness. Don’t you think President Obama is doing this right now? We have to establish a bench of candidates as well as sooooo much else.

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HappyWarrior Nov 9, 2016 • 4:45:05pm

re: #347 Myron Falwell (no relation)

Definitely the latter. It’s going to have to take another Civil Rights Movement to combat this.

I wasn’t alive for the first one but I’m ready to help out a second one.

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HappyWarrior Nov 9, 2016 • 4:45:58pm

re: #352 Backwoods_Sleuth

THIS so much as it applies to Kentucky. The low-info voters here saddled us with Gov. Bevin HATED Obamacare but loved their Kynect (the same damned thing) and now are all upset that Kynect is gone.

Bet they still re-elect him in four years since he’ll start praying on the usual fears. Sorry to sound cynical. I guess I’m in a really cynical mood after last night.

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HappyWarrior Nov 9, 2016 • 4:46:39pm

re: #353 Charles Johnson

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Probably still not a wise thing to do and now with the pride flag, it’s going to make those idiots who think gay - nazi crow.

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klys (maker of Silmarils) Nov 9, 2016 • 4:46:55pm

Dear white men: I’d apologize, but I’m not actually sorry if women and minorities are not getting over this fast enough to satisfy you. It’s a lot easier to be above it all when your rights aren’t under direct threat.

Of course, we all know that white men know best. That’s why that’s the group that overwhelmingly voted for Trump, right?

Posting this is probably a bad idea but occasionally they slip through. Sorry not sorry.

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TedStriker Nov 9, 2016 • 4:47:41pm

re: #350 Bubblehead II

Night Lizards. Please feel free to wallow in your self pity. Hillary lost. Get over it. Now start thinking about how we are going to over come this and fix the damages DT & the rethuglicans are about/going to rain down upon us. Focus people. Look ahead.

How about you bite my ample white male ass?

Plans to mitigate damage and recover ground will be forthcoming, but, for something like this, the fact that the odious Donald J. Trump will be the 45th President of the United States instead of an infinitely more qualified Hillary Clinton, you have to give people some damn time to get their heads straight.

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stpaulbear Nov 9, 2016 • 4:48:06pm

re: #342 ObserverArt

Bernie, Bernie, Bernie.

Elizabeth, Elizabeth, Elizabeth.

Folded fast. And people were so sure you were material to be president.

I would wait until they start voting in the next congress before I’d slam them for folding. They’re not going to be on board with the shit that’s going to go down then.

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Whack-A-Mole Nov 9, 2016 • 4:48:18pm

Anyone hoping for resistance from the Dems in Congress need to understand that, guaranteed, Day 1, the R’s are going to kill the filibuster not only for SC noms, but for ordinary legislation as well. They have the power across the board and they’re going to run wild with it, history or future precedent be damned.

Besides, with control of all 3 branches they can (and most certainly will try) to put up every roadblock to opposition ever gaining power again.

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Skip Intro Nov 9, 2016 • 4:48:25pm

re: #359 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Dear white men: I’d apologize, but I’m not actually sorry if women and minorities are not getting over this fast enough to satisfy you. It’s a lot easier to be above it all when your rights aren’t under direct threat.

Of course, we all know that white men know best. That’s why that’s the group that overwhelmingly voted for Trump, right?

Posting this is probably a bad idea but occasionally they slip through. Sorry not sorry.

White women voted overwhelmingly for Trump as well.

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philosophus invidius Nov 9, 2016 • 4:48:34pm

re: #352 Backwoods_Sleuth

Let them have the name as long as people have insurance. But I fear that their “plan” will be repeal and [some bullshit about state lines]

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The Vicious Babushka Nov 9, 2016 • 4:48:40pm

re: #350 Bubblehead II

Night Lizards. Please feel free to wallow in your self pity. Hillary lost. Get over it. Now start thinking about how we are going to over come this and fix the damages DT & the rethuglicans are about/going to rain down upon us. Focus people. Look ahead.

Go fuck yourself.

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klys (maker of Silmarils) Nov 9, 2016 • 4:50:22pm

re: #363 Skip Intro

White women voted overwhelmingly for Trump as well.

Not to the same extent as white men but yes, the majority went for Trump. And I am currently disgusted with white America but I am particularly disgusted with men telling me to get over it and that now is the time for intellectual discussions as if what happened hasn’t left me sick to my stomach since this time last night. And I’m a lot better off than a lot of minorities when it comes to this.

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Backwoods_Sleuth Nov 9, 2016 • 4:50:31pm

re: #357 HappyWarrior

Bet they still re-elect him in four years since he’ll start praying on the usual fears. Sorry to sound cynical. I guess I’m in a really cynical mood after last night.

I’ve got a head start on what a Trump Administration will be…it’ll be a Bevin Kentucky Administration on steroids.
Bevin has already started with illegal/shady actions that go way beyond just dismantling Kynect. He believes that as governor he can do whatever he wants with no pesky legislative or legal restrictions.
After last night’s election purging of Democrats in our House, the brakes are gone.

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HappyWarrior Nov 9, 2016 • 4:51:38pm

re: #367 Backwoods_Sleuth

I’ve got a head start on what a Trump Administration will be…it’ll be a Bevin Kentucky Administration on steroids.
Bevin has already started with illegal/shady actions that go way beyond just dismantling Kynect. He believes that as governor he can do whatever he wants with no pesky legislative or legal restrictions.
After last night’s election purging of Democrats in our House, the brakes are gone.

Doesn’t surprise me. Anyhow as I got at, we’ve been told government doesn’t work for years by the people who do their best to ensure government doesn’t work.

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Backwoods_Sleuth Nov 9, 2016 • 4:51:44pm

re: #364 philosophus invidius

Let them have the name as long as people have insurance. But I fear that their “plan” will be repeal and [some bullshit about state lines]

Kynect is already gone. Bevin has taken care of that.

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whitebeach Nov 9, 2016 • 4:52:06pm

re: #341 Backwoods_Sleuth

In other news, there is still the Senate seat in Louisiana up for grabs.
No one got the needed 50% vote total, so there will be a runoff election on December 10.
The top two vote getters yesterday were John Kennedy (R) with 482,380 votes/25% and Foster Campbell (D) with 337,682/17%. The rest of the votes were split between the remaining 22 candidates.

(David Duke got 3%)

Kennedy is a right-wing jerk who along with Bobby Jindal bears heavy blame for the financial disaster that is Louisiana today.

Campbell is a moderately conservative Dem with a long history of actual service to the public.

Campbell therefore has almost no chance.

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Frankie Five Angels Nov 9, 2016 • 4:52:27pm

re: #350 Bubblehead II

Night Lizards. Please feel free to wallow in your self pity. Hillary lost. Get over it. Now start thinking about how we are going to over come this and fix the damages DT & the rethuglicans are about/going to rain down upon us. Focus people. Look ahead.

No.

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b_sharp Nov 9, 2016 • 4:52:47pm

re: #350 Bubblehead II

Night Lizards. Please feel free to wallow in your self pity. Hillary lost. Get over it. Now start thinking about how we are going to over come this and fix the damages DT & the rethuglicans are about/going to rain down upon us. Focus people. Look ahead.

You’re being a condescending asshole.

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HappyWarrior Nov 9, 2016 • 4:53:30pm

I did get a slight laugh out of hearing gun sales are down.
1.) Scare gun owners into thinking Dems are taking their guns away.
2.) What? We won.
3.) Lose Profits!

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ObserverArt Nov 9, 2016 • 4:53:39pm

re: #284 freetoken

Mostly I take Sanders and Warren’s statement as window dressing. They are doing what the Beltway social circle expects of fine company at their dinner parties.

I wouldn’t read anything more into it.

They also could take the position that they are worried about their supporters and the people of their state. They could say they are prepared to consider working with Trump but those concerns make them cautionary.

Plus, it is only day one of America’s shock to the system. They could wait a bit and see what Trump has up his sleeve. You need to remember who voted you into office and you represent them.

There is plenty of time to be saying you will work with Trump, but you know it is indeed a two-way street.

Are we already forgetting we are not working with a traditional politician? So, why traditional politics?

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HappyWarrior Nov 9, 2016 • 4:54:56pm

re: #370 whitebeach

Kennedy is a right-wing jerk who along with Bobby Jindal bears heavy blame for the financial disaster that is Louisiana today.

Campbell is a moderately conservative Dem with a long history of actual service to the public.

Campbell therefore has almost no chance.

Kind of like how Florida gave Marco Rubio a second chance even though it was obvious he hated being in the Senate and just saw it as a resume measure. Now, he’s going to vote in support with a man he’s called a con artist. Nice going, Marco.

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philosophus invidius Nov 9, 2016 • 4:55:06pm

re: #374 ObserverArt

He is not a traditional politician, but he can be manipulated with praise

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Frankie Five Angels Nov 9, 2016 • 4:55:34pm

If Trump was smart he would threaten Congress that if they present him with a bill that dismantles the ACA and throws 20 million people off their insurance, he’ll veto it so fast that their heads will spin. He could say “My predecessor tackled a problem, and while there are many protections Americans need in this law, I want to fix the leaks. I want this law to work for EVERYONE.”

But, like I said, that’s if he’s smart.

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Cheechako Nov 9, 2016 • 4:56:14pm

Since everyone here is disappointed, think about how Justice Ginsburg feels. She has to put off her retirement plans for 4 more years.

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HappyWarrior Nov 9, 2016 • 4:56:43pm

re: #377 Frankie Five Angels

If Trump was smart he would threaten Congress that if they present him with a bill that dismantles the ACA and throws 20 million people off their insurance, he’ll veto it so fast that their heads will spin. He could say “My predecessor tackled a problem, and while there are many protections Americans need in this law, I want to take fix the leaks. I want this law to work for EVERYONE.”

But, like I said, that’s if he’s smart.

Well if he was like that, he never would have made it out of the Republican primaries. In fact, probably would have been in Pataki territory.

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Charles Johnson Nov 9, 2016 • 4:57:27pm

“If tapped for the job, Mnuchin would become third Goldman Sachs executive in last 20 years to head US Treasury” https://t.co/bwR0ioszWK

— Pedro da Costa (@pdacosta) November 10, 2016

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Good thing HRC wasn’t elected, she might have appointed a Goldman Sachs exec to head the Treasu… oh wait. @pdacosta https://t.co/Tw1KUYEZgr

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freetoken Nov 9, 2016 • 4:57:29pm

re: #377 Frankie Five Angels

I am under no illusion that PET really cares about this stuff. This is an ego trip for him, the ultimate high for hubristic psyche.

He’ll be more interested in the new ballroom.

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William Lewis Nov 9, 2016 • 4:57:42pm

re: #373 HappyWarrior

I did get a slight laugh out of hearing gun sales are down.
1.) Scare gun owners into thinking Dems are taking their guns away.
2.) What? We won.
3.) Lose Profits!

Makes them cheaper for us to arm left wing militias < whistles innocently >

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HappyWarrior Nov 9, 2016 • 4:57:44pm

re: #378 Cheechako

Since everyone here is disappointed, think about Justice Ginsburg feels. She has to put off her retirement plans for 4 more years.

I hope she can make because if she does leave in 2020, there is no way in hell that Republicans are going to let the Democrats stop a Trump pick with the same rationale the Republicans did for Scalia.

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HappyWarrior Nov 9, 2016 • 4:58:17pm

re: #380 Charles Johnson

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But he’s Anti-Wall Street! //

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EPR-radar Nov 9, 2016 • 4:58:27pm

re: #324 klys (maker of Silmarils)

I can appreciate the folks who are ready for the intellectual discussion of what went wrong and why and how to move forward.

I’m not there yet. I’m not sure when I will be. I think a lot of women and minorities in particular will take a while to get there, because of the direct threat this represents. It’s hard to be disconnected and above it all when you realize that half the country is okay with treating you as less than a person.

Sorry.

Anyone who voted for Trump is either a bigot or is content to vote for a bigot who ran a bigoted campaign. Now more than ever, this is a distinction without a difference.

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stpaulbear Nov 9, 2016 • 4:58:59pm

“As democracy is perfected, the office of president represents, more and more closely, the inner soul of the people. On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart’s desire at last and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron.” ~ H.L. Mencken

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ObserverArt Nov 9, 2016 • 4:59:11pm

re: #295 Myron Falwell (no relation)

Regardless, f—- Scott Adams. I’m putting my Dilbert books up for a bonfire.

Put them up for sale on ebay for 2 cents each. That is all they are worth. And like happy said, we have to watch the symbology.

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Tigger2 Nov 9, 2016 • 5:00:22pm

re: #351 Stanley Sea

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The wingnuts on twitter are all upset by these demonstrations, I have to keep reminding them about the Teabaggers after Obama won.

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SirMixALot Nov 9, 2016 • 5:01:47pm

I live in the U.K. I am telling everyone to get an updated passport if you can. I will try to set something up to help those without money.

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prairiefire Nov 9, 2016 • 5:02:01pm

Perhaps a conservative justice will pass within the next two years.

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BeachDem Nov 9, 2016 • 5:02:10pm

re: #197 Patricia Kayden

And because Trump refused to reveal his tax returns, we will never know to which countries he is heavily indebted and therefore to which countries he owes allegiance. We can only assume that he owes a lot to Russian oligarchs and this is why he refused to criticize Putin during his Presidential campaign.

And that’s why his tax returns, or lack thereof, should have been the lead story on every news show every fucking day. But the media was too busy reading emails and wondering why Hillary didn’t smile more.

And while I’m on a rant, I just want to ask anyone who has suggested that if (really, when) bad things happen, the Republicans will have to own it—when is the last time the fucking Republicans paid any price for their bad behavior? Plotting against Obama’s presidency on inauguration day? Shutting down the government? Denying any/all judicial appointments, including even giving a hearing for a Supreme? Wasting endless time and money on Obamacare repeal votes and
endless BENGHAZI investigations. (I’ll point out that Trey Gowdy won his re-election 67-31)

They never own anything and nobody makes them pay a price. They blame everything on the Dems (remember, they’ve even convinced themselves that Obama reacted poorly to Hurricane Katrina.)

Sorry—I’m just thoroughly sick to my stomach and at the moment, can’t see any light at the end of the tunnel we haven’t even officially entered yet.

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HappyWarrior Nov 9, 2016 • 5:02:14pm

re: #382 William Lewis

Makes them cheaper for us to arm left wing militias < whistles innocently >

Ha.

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stpaulbear Nov 9, 2016 • 5:02:24pm

re: #375 HappyWarrior

Kind of like how Florida gave Marco Rubio a second chance even though it was obvious he hated being in the Senate and just saw it as a resume measure. Now, he’s going to vote in support with a man he’s called a con artist. Nice going, Marco.

He also won’t be able to run for president again in 2020. I’m bet he was hoping for a Hillary win.

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William Lewis Nov 9, 2016 • 5:02:59pm

re: #390 prairiefire

Perhaps a conservative justice will pass within the next two years.

So we can get an even worse one for decades? No, pray for their health so that it’s Trump gone first.

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Odie Hugh Manatee Nov 9, 2016 • 5:03:41pm

re: #373 HappyWarrior

I did get a slight laugh out of hearing gun sales are down.
1.) Scare gun owners into thinking Dems are taking their guns away.
2.) What? We won.
3.) Lose Profits!

This was predictable… the rubes think they won and now there are no Democrats left in power to take their guns.

I look forward to NRA memberships dropping, they’ve earned it. :)

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Frankie Five Angels Nov 9, 2016 • 5:04:44pm

re: #393 stpaulbear

He also won’t be able to run for president again in 2020. I’m bet he was hoping for a Hillary win.

Unless he wants to primary Trump.

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freetoken Nov 9, 2016 • 5:05:26pm

…re: #391 BeachDem

…when is the last time the fucking Republicans paid any price for their bad behavior?

1992 - in an anemic economy, GHWB paid the price for his apparent (possibly real, maybe not) indifference to the so-called middle class.

Before that it was 1976, when post-Watergate the population revolted against the GOP.

Before that it was 1932.

So it happens every few decades.

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stpaulbear Nov 9, 2016 • 5:05:44pm

re: #396 Frankie Five Angels

Unless he wants to primary Trump.

…or Pence.

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klys (maker of Silmarils) Nov 9, 2016 • 5:05:47pm

re: #391 BeachDem

You can come over for dinner. I’ll even hold the garlic.

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prairiefire Nov 9, 2016 • 5:07:02pm

re: #397 freetoken

I would also posit 2008, against many racist and evangelical voters.

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freetoken Nov 9, 2016 • 5:07:23pm

Oh, and 2008.

That was a combination of things, probably not so much about “Republicans”, mildly so perhaps, but more a personal thing against GWB and for BHO.

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ObserverArt Nov 9, 2016 • 5:07:55pm

re: #324 klys (maker of Silmarils)

I can appreciate the folks who are ready for the intellectual discussion of what went wrong and why and how to move forward.

I’m not there yet. I’m not sure when I will be. I think a lot of women and minorities in particular will take a while to get there, because of the direct threat this represents. It’s hard to be disconnected and above it all when you realize that half the country is okay with treating you as less than a person.

Sorry.

Some seem to be forgetting that the new president and the people that support him do not care one iota what they think. If you fashion yourself a Democrat, a liberal, a progressive…hell, even a centrist THEY DO NOT WANT YOU…AT ALL.

And because of that , they do not care about women, minorities, gays, health, poor people…on and on.

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Frankie Five Angels Nov 9, 2016 • 5:07:58pm

Holy shit, there are protests everywhere.

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freetoken Nov 9, 2016 • 5:08:06pm

re: #400 prairiefire

I ascribe 2008 in some part to the Iraq war.

And the economic crises.

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b_sharp Nov 9, 2016 • 5:09:03pm

Thankfully we’ll be returning from New Orleans before Trump’s inauguration. I’d hate to be there after.

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EPR-radar Nov 9, 2016 • 5:09:09pm

re: #400 prairiefire

I would also posit 2008, against many racist and evangelical voters.

That counts, IMO. The W Bush administration was such a clusterfuck that it has since been almost completely airbrushed out of the lies the Republicans tell each other about their ‘history’.

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TedStriker Nov 9, 2016 • 5:10:25pm

re: #386 stpaulbear

“As democracy is perfected, the office of president represents, more and more closely, the inner soul of the people. On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart’s desire at last and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron.” ~ H.L. Mencken

That “great and glorious day” will be January 20th, 2017.

Fuck our life…

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prairiefire Nov 9, 2016 • 5:10:34pm

re: #404 freetoken

I ascribe 2008 in some part to the Iraq war.

And the economic crises.

Both situations absolute shit shows by 2008.

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Lancelot Link Nov 9, 2016 • 5:11:37pm

re: #334 bratwurst

I am concerned that Greenwald and Michael Moore are going to get repetitive stress disorder from too much finger wagging today.

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freetoken Nov 9, 2016 • 5:11:51pm

re: #408 prairiefire

Both situations absolute shit shows by 2008.

Agree. But the anemic gains by Democrats - Obama did have coattails, just not big enough - suggests to me the anger was not directed so much against “Republicans” as much as against GWB himself.

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TedStriker Nov 9, 2016 • 5:12:02pm

re: #402 ObserverArt

Some seem to be forgetting that the new president and the people that support him do not care one iota what they think. If you fashion yourself a Democrat, a liberal, a progressive…hell, even a centrist THEY DO NOT WANT YOU…AT ALL.

And because of that , they do not care about women, minorities, gays, health, poor people…on and on.

Someone posted early this morning a quote from Milo while he was at the Trump victory party that said pretty much exactly that.

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ObserverArt Nov 9, 2016 • 5:12:03pm

re: #333 freetoken

This, in my opinion, is the most critical time for framing our discussions.

That is what Bernie is doing.

That is what all the politicians in DC are doing.

PET (by new acronym for Drumpfskind, at least until he takes the actual oath of office) has, by his upturning first the Republican primary, and then the general election, turned DC politics on its side. New coalitions are being formed.

And importantly, first impressions last.

For you.

Can we not let others feel the way they feel?

Sorry, but in a way you too are saying get over it. I can only speak for myself. I will get over it…in time. Deal?

Now is exactly the time that public discourse has to deal with what has happened.

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prairiefire Nov 9, 2016 • 5:12:42pm

re: #406 EPR-radar

That counts, IMO. The W Bush administration was such a clusterfuck that it has since been almost completely airbrushed out of the lies the Republicans tell each other about their ‘history’.

The whining around here in Missouri by them at that time was ridiculous. And they did not forget, just waiting for the opportunity to cancel out our progressive votes. Which they did nationwide.

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Belafon Nov 9, 2016 • 5:12:45pm

re: #386 stpaulbear

“As democracy is perfected, the office of president represents, more and more closely, the inner soul of the people. On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart’s desire at last and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron.” ~ H.L. Mencken

The authenticity of the quote has been verified by snopes.com.

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Myron Falwell (no relation) Nov 9, 2016 • 5:13:02pm

re: #386 stpaulbear

“As democracy is perfected, the office of president represents, more and more closely, the inner soul of the people. On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart’s desire at last and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron.” ~ H.L. Mencken

Fitting that the man who founded the American Mercury described the exact moment his magazine’s eventual white supremacist POV took over the White House.

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freetoken Nov 9, 2016 • 5:13:06pm

re: #412 ObserverArt

No, I’m not saying “get over it”.

I am saying that now is the time to start making the changes necessary.

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ObserverArt Nov 9, 2016 • 5:13:09pm

re: #334 bratwurst

I am concerned that Greenwald and Michael Moore are going to get repetitive stress disorder from too much finger wagging today.

Those two better watch it, they may be on a list somewhere as enemies of the new state.
/sorta.

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Tigger2 Nov 9, 2016 • 5:13:20pm

Trump is going to go completely apeshit nuts over all these people protesting him.

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Charles Johnson Nov 9, 2016 • 5:15:12pm

Anti-Trump protest in NYC right now. (@MaddowBlog) pic.twitter.com/SwPnjFdcRy

— Breaking911 (@Breaking911) November 10, 2016

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Backwoods_Sleuth Nov 9, 2016 • 5:15:14pm

The Tensing trial in Cincinnati has gone to the jury. There was no verdict today.

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prairiefire Nov 9, 2016 • 5:15:28pm

re: #410 freetoken

Agree. But the anemic gains by Democrats - Obama did have coattails, just not big enough - suggests to me the anger was not directed so much against “Republicans” as much as against GWB himself.

Also, Mr. Obama was labeled as a “dangerous black other.” Mr. Obama has 12 Sons of the Revolution patriots in his Kansas American background. But nobody recognized that at all.

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prairiefire Nov 9, 2016 • 5:16:36pm

re: #421 prairiefire

And the color of those patriots should not matter at all, if we were to believe his detractors.

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BeachDem Nov 9, 2016 • 5:16:37pm

re: #262 Mike Lamb

The only other explanation I can think of for Warren’s and Sanders’ statements is to con the GOP (somewhat) into thinking that bipartisanship is possible, and therefore, the GOP won’t see an immediate need to change the filibuster rules.

Considering that Trump spent much of his final campaign speech in New Hampshire ragging on Warren—calling her a horrible, horrible person who has accomplished nothing and whom nobody likes, and rooting for Curt fucking Schilling to run against her, and knowing what a vindictive asshole Trump is, I truly can’t see where there’s going to be any bi-partisanship between them.

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klys (maker of Silmarils) Nov 9, 2016 • 5:16:52pm

Feels appropriate for today.

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Myron Falwell (no relation) Nov 9, 2016 • 5:17:00pm

re: #418 Tigger2

Trump is going to go completely apeshit nuts over all these people protesting him.

This is only the beginning. He realizes that he actually needs to govern, then hands the reins to Pence, who becomes George Wallace on steroids.

Discord will mark the next four years.

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Bubblehead II Nov 9, 2016 • 5:17:13pm

re: #350 Bubblehead II

Night Lizards. Please feel free to wallow in your self pity. Hillary lost. Get over it. Now start thinking about how we are going to over come this and fix the damages DT & the rethuglicans are about/going to rain down upon us. Focus people. Look ahead.

Gee, A -4 downding on that post. Must have hit a nerve or two since I didn’t see any any of the down dingers posting a rebuttal.
And with this I again bid you a good night

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HappyWarrior Nov 9, 2016 • 5:17:30pm

re: #393 stpaulbear

He also won’t be able to run for president again in 2020. I’m bet he was hoping for a Hillary win.

Yep Golden Boy is probably done presidential wise but maybe not. Republicans like em old so maybe we see Marco Rubio channel McCain in 20 years.

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electrotek Nov 9, 2016 • 5:17:44pm

I’m gonna go leave for a protest out here in Dallas at Victory Park.

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Whack-A-Mole Nov 9, 2016 • 5:17:58pm

re: #394 William Lewis

So we can get an even worse one for decades? No, pray for their health so that it’s Trump gone first.

Whether Trump is in office is irrelevant really. With their current hold on all three branches, the GOP can permanently lock in ANY and ALL of the voting restrictions they want, with handpicked justices to affirm their legality, and keep themselves in power for a VERY long time to come;.

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Stanley Sea Nov 9, 2016 • 5:18:17pm

re: #423 BeachDem

Considering that Trump spent much of his final campaign speech in New Hampshire ragging on Warren—calling her a horrible, horrible person who has accomplished nothing and whom nobody likes, and rooting for Curt fucking Schilling to run against her, and knowing what a vindictive asshole Trump is, I truly can’t see where there’s going to be any bi-partisanship between them.

He called her Pocahontas THIS MORNING on Fox.

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makeitstop Nov 9, 2016 • 5:18:22pm

re: #425 Myron Falwell (no relation)

This is only the beginning. He realizes that he actually needs to govern, then hands the reins to Pence, who becomes George Wallace on steroids.

Discord will mark the next four years.

Yeah, we’re headed towards another Golden Age of Protest.

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Charles Johnson Nov 9, 2016 • 5:18:58pm

Bernie Sanders would’ve won the election? Really? You think people who wouldn’t accept a woman president would’ve loved a Jewish socialist?

— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) November 10, 2016

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EPR-radar Nov 9, 2016 • 5:19:16pm

re: #426 Bubblehead II

Gee, A -4 downding on that post. Must have hit a nerve or two since I didn’t see any any of the down dingers posting a rebuttal.
And with this I again bid you a good night

If someone is being an asshole, I have better things to do than a rebuttal.

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HappyWarrior Nov 9, 2016 • 5:19:23pm

re: #430 Stanley Sea

He called her Pocahontas THIS MORNING on Fox.

WTF.

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Backwoods_Sleuth Nov 9, 2016 • 5:19:38pm

Now Trump supporters are saying that it’s good no national security experts will work w/ Trump. Better to start over with know nothings.

— Sarah Reese Jones (@PoliticusSarah) November 10, 2016

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Patricia Kayden Nov 9, 2016 • 5:19:57pm

re: #391 BeachDem

The only light at the end of the tunnel is that Trump will wreck things up so badly that he won’t win another term. Or so I hope.

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klys (maker of Silmarils) Nov 9, 2016 • 5:20:03pm

re: #426 Bubblehead II

Gee, A -4 downding on that post. Must have hit a nerve or two since I didn’t see any any of the down dingers posting a rebuttal.
And with this I again bid you a good night

I didn’t downding you but I will say that while I recognize the need to pull together and move forward, I’m also not going to go around and tell other people to get the fuck over it less than a day after they’ve been told by half the voting public that their rights are unimportant. That’s just being, as b_sharp said, a condescending ass.

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electrotek Nov 9, 2016 • 5:20:09pm

re: #424 klys (maker of Silmarils)

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When I went for the 70th anniversary of the atomic bombing last year, it will always be the most emotional visit I’ve ever done.

It was quite fitting to honor a man who was striving for peace and tranquility, only to eventually suffer at the hands of a murderous death cult in the end.

This one’s for you, Kenji Goto.

#MuslimAmericanFaces honoring the life of slain Japanese journalist Kenji Goto at the Hiroshima 70th anniversary RIP pic.twitter.com/gqYhyotS9S

— دانیال (@danja84) December 10, 2015

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Backwoods_Sleuth Nov 9, 2016 • 5:20:24pm

Alt-Right Internet Trolls Are Already Emboldened By Trump’s Victory https://t.co/n6Dbd53Mh2 Oh hey @MELANIATRUMP! Your focus now, right? pic.twitter.com/gldZqOyg7Z

— HGTomato 🍅 (@HGTomato) November 10, 2016

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ObserverArt Nov 9, 2016 • 5:20:36pm

re: #338 HappyWarrior

Moore’s right about the rust belt but not for the reason he thinks. He won’t admit it since he’s a proud Michigan guy but there is a lot of ugly racism that exists in white blue collar communities. It may not be KKK or Neo-Nazi racism but shit is still shit.

I grew up in an Ohio city that was a little Detroit. We had an Empire Reeeves steel mill, Westinghouse, Tappan, General Motors Fisher body, Gorman Rupp pumps and many other industries. By 1975 almost all of it gone.

I can hardly drive through the city anymore as it is too depressing to see what has become of it. The people that are left are angry, resentful, unmotivated to do anything about it but bitch and moan and many are deeply racist.

I would not doubt one bit it voted 90% for Trump.

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electrotek Nov 9, 2016 • 5:21:27pm

re: #424 klys (maker of Silmarils)

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To this day, I can’t talk about Hiroshima without getting emotional. So I avoid talking about it in person because damn, that really hits me hard.

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HappyWarrior Nov 9, 2016 • 5:22:19pm

re: #432 Charles Johnson

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Yeah I’m tired of seeing the “But Bernie” posts. And the other thing, the voters of the Democratic Party chose Hillary. You don’t have to like it but they chose Clinton over Bernie. I’m sorry but it pisses me off that the minute Clinton loses, Bernie’s backers use what should be a moment to worry for the nation’s future to whine about how their man wasn’t nominated. I am glad I soured on Bernie considering that. He may have his heart in the right place but his head isn’t because he continues to excuse the bigotry of whtie working class voters udner the guise of “frustration.” There’s plenty of black and hispanic working class people oto Bernie who did not fall for Trump’s bullshit about trade and Washington. Why didn’t they embrace him? Oh, because they can see his rhetoric for what it is.

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nines09 Nov 9, 2016 • 5:23:03pm

Can you envision that glorious day Trump goes to some one of our allies to speak? And how his babble speak will sound translated? And the abject horror of every sane person hearing it? We are entering the laughingstock part of our self destruction.

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Belafon Nov 9, 2016 • 5:23:25pm

re: #431 makeitstop

Yeah, we’re headed towards another Golden Age of Protest.

Putting on my rose colored glasses, if people are willing to protest, that increases the chances of fighting what is about to come down, and hopefully get more people to the polls in 2018.

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Bubblehead II Nov 9, 2016 • 5:23:32pm

re: #360 TedStriker

How about you bite my ample white male ass?

Plans to mitigate damage and recover ground will be forthcoming, but, for something like this, the fact that the odious Donald J. Trump will be the 45th President of the United States instead of an infinitely more qualified Hillary Clinton, you have to give people some damn time to get their heads straight.

They had at least 16 months to get their heads straight, They voted for him anyway.

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Patricia Kayden Nov 9, 2016 • 5:23:38pm

re: #426 Bubblehead II

We’re not going to get over an election which just happened last night. This is a shocker and will take time to digest. Of course, soon enough we’ll figure out how to mitigate any damage Trump causes but not so soon.

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Myron Falwell (no relation) Nov 9, 2016 • 5:24:00pm

re: #431 makeitstop

Yeah, we’re headed towards another Golden Age of Protest.

I’m fine with that. We already know what AG Bull Conner Giuliani is going to do.

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Backwoods_Sleuth Nov 9, 2016 • 5:24:46pm

#DonaldTrump won the election & white people already don’t know how to act This white boy told me I’m a n***** and should be pickin cotton. pic.twitter.com/aPgRr7Zryo

— Jaae (@Jaaezus) November 9, 2016

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#DonaldTrump won the election & white people already don’t know how to act This white boy told me I’m a n***** and should be pickin cotton.

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wrenchwench Nov 9, 2016 • 5:24:47pm

There’s a downtown merchants’ ‘meet and greet’ this evening a few blocks away. It sounded great a couple of days ago, doesn’t sound like a great idea right now. But I’m going. Snacks!

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TedStriker Nov 9, 2016 • 5:25:22pm

re: #445 Bubblehead II

They had at least 16 months to get their heads straight, They voted for him anyway.

That wasn’t what I was talking about and you know it.

Damn, you’re really trying to be a putz here tonight, aren’t you?

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HappyWarrior Nov 9, 2016 • 5:25:55pm

re: #440 ObserverArt

I grew up in an Ohio city that was a little Detroit. We had an Empire Reeeves steel mill, Westinghouse, Tappan, General Motors Fisher body, Gorman Rupp pumps and many other industries. By 1975 almost all of it gone.

I can hardly drive through the city anymore as it is too depressing to see what has become of it. The people that are left are angry, resentful, unmotivated to do anything about it but bitch and moan and many are deeply racist.

I would not doubt one bit it voted 90% for Trump.

My grandparents grew up in Johnstown, Pa. Cambria County went 55%, 44% for Mondale over Carter the election before I was born. 32 years later, it went for Trump 67% to 28%. There is a lot of resentment in these communities and to be honest it does sadden me because this is where my family comes from but I can’t excuse bigotry and a lot of these people have it. They’re mad at all the wrong people and embrace all the wrong people too.

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ObserverArt Nov 9, 2016 • 5:26:04pm

re: #350 Bubblehead II

Night Lizards. Please feel free to wallow in your self pity. Hillary lost. Get over it. Now start thinking about how we are going to over come this and fix the damages DT & the rethuglicans are about/going to rain down upon us. Focus people. Look ahead.

You have no feeling for humans. Sorry. Let people be for a bit of time. I guess that is too much to ask for someone like you. It is not even 24 hours…

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Bubblehead II Nov 9, 2016 • 5:26:31pm

re: #365 The Vicious Babushka

Go fuck yourself.

Anatomically unfeasible,

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klys (maker of Silmarils) Nov 9, 2016 • 5:26:49pm

re: #441 electrotek

To this day, I can’t talk about Hiroshima without getting emotional. So I avoid talking about it in person because damn, that really hits me hard.

I did the Hall of Remembrance and the museum and really appreciated the Hall. The English text was honestly one of the most evenhanded descriptions of what happened (in short segments) without pretending that it didn’t start with the Japanese. It referenced the fact that not all people in the city were there voluntarily. Given the Japanese government’s history on the topic of war crimes, it was good to see.

I think that, for me, Ishinomaki hit harder, but both were really thought-provoking and unsettling experiences.

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Backwoods_Sleuth Nov 9, 2016 • 5:27:10pm

re: #445 Bubblehead II

They had at least 16 months to get their heads straight, They voted for him anyway.

I did not realize that those of us here at LGF are “they” who voted for him anyway.

Learn something new every day…

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HappyWarrior Nov 9, 2016 • 5:27:45pm

re: #441 electrotek

To this day, I can’t talk about Hiroshima without getting emotional. So I avoid talking about it in person because damn, that really hits me hard.

I can understand that. Visiting Dachau and the Jewish Quarter in Prague were both very emotional experiences for me. I’m not Jewish but walking in a concentration camp and seeing one of Europe’s oldest Jewish communities that was decimated so quickly made me very sad. I don’t want to do a debate on the A-Bomb but I think anyone regardless of how they feel about Truman’s decision should appreciate the sadness of what happened there.

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klys (maker of Silmarils) Nov 9, 2016 • 5:27:52pm

I’m thinking there’s a Lizard who might need to exercise the Iron Fist rule who isn’t.

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EPR-radar Nov 9, 2016 • 5:28:36pm

re: #453 Bubblehead II

Stop digging. This is a really stupid fight to pick at this time.

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b_sharp Nov 9, 2016 • 5:28:51pm

re: #445 Bubblehead II

They had at least 16 months to get their heads straight, They voted for him anyway.

Ted’s talking about the people who didn’t vote for Trump.

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Charles Johnson Nov 9, 2016 • 5:29:07pm

Maybe you should let Bernie know that. He seems to think otherwise. @OfficialSPGB pic.twitter.com/6n1VtUx0Hy

— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) November 10, 2016

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ObserverArt Nov 9, 2016 • 5:29:12pm

re: #354 HappyWarrior

Me too. I’m not really worried about myself. I do worry a little about ACA being overturned because I have a pre-existing condition. but mostly I worry about other people. That’s what this election was all about for me. The Republicans cater to people like me, they want us angry at all the wrong people instead of them who have been fucking government for years and then telling the American people “Government doesn’t work.” Government works just fine. Government is how my Grandpa even though he was a high school drop out could do trade school, student loans helped my mom become the first girl in her family to get a college degree and has since done well for themselves, SCHIP got my niece health insurance.

You are a good man Happy. Glad to say it to you.

You know, you may say you lacked empathy due to your being on the spectrum, but I have a hard time seeing how that has ever been a part of you.

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HappyWarrior Nov 9, 2016 • 5:31:15pm

Really disappointed in my brother pulling the should have nominated Bernie card and my right wing friend is playing it too even though he’s mocked Bernie. Jesus Christ, this actually angers me.

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klys (maker of Silmarils) Nov 9, 2016 • 5:31:19pm

re: #449 wrenchwench

There’s a downtown merchants’ ‘meet and greet’ this evening a few blocks away. It sounded great a couple of days ago, doesn’t sound like a great idea right now. But I’m going. Snacks!

Our plan for tonight is a movie. I may buy Civ VI for the distraction purposes.

This has been an absolutely awful week for jetlag. I can’t fall asleep until 4am.

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We're Way Beyond Snark Nov 9, 2016 • 5:31:55pm

re: #426 Bubblehead II

Gee, A -4 downding on that post. Must have hit a nerve or two since I didn’t see any any of the down dingers posting a rebuttal.
And with this I again bid you a good night

I didn’t downding the first post, but this is going too far.

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ObserverArt Nov 9, 2016 • 5:33:36pm

re: #359 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Dear white men: I’d apologize, but I’m not actually sorry if women and minorities are not getting over this fast enough to satisfy you. It’s a lot easier to be above it all when your rights aren’t under direct threat.

Of course, we all know that white men know best. That’s why that’s the group that overwhelmingly voted for Trump, right?

Posting this is probably a bad idea but occasionally they slip through. Sorry not sorry.

klys…as a white man I just want to say I understand.

People seem to already have forgotten how Obama was treated right from the get-go. He had very few Republicans saying they would be glad to work with him etc. Do they really expect they want to work with Sanders and Warren.

What was their lovely little names that Trump gave them?

I can’t remember anyone that has ever been a Democrat calling people schoolyard bully-like names for people already in office when in fact you have never served this country…ever.

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nines09 Nov 9, 2016 • 5:33:53pm

re: #448 Backwoods_Sleuth

Condensed version; “I will fuck you up.”

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Backwoods_Sleuth Nov 9, 2016 • 5:34:21pm

gaaaaaaahhhhhh

Arizona’s Sheriff Joe Arpaio touted as possible Homeland Security secretary candidate after losing bid for 7th term. https://t.co/VZ8nUcFxvt pic.twitter.com/fWRTWjbABR

— ABC News (@ABC) November 10, 2016

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klys (maker of Silmarils) Nov 9, 2016 • 5:34:36pm

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Backwoods_Sleuth Nov 9, 2016 • 5:35:42pm

re: #466 nines09

Condensed version; “I will fuck you up.”

added: “And there’s not a damned thing you can do about it now…”

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GlutenFreeJesus Nov 9, 2016 • 5:35:53pm

Click to Reveal

Out and about today in North Suburban Cook County IL… not many people driving around like usual. Those that were out all had this blank, dejected look on their faces. Reminds me of a week after 9/11. The fact that Duckworth/Schneider/Mendoza/Krishnamoorthi all won doesn’t seem to have much an effect on the bigger picture. Maybe this feeling will wear off, but I am getting a vibe from people I’ve never felt before.

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Backwoods_Sleuth Nov 9, 2016 • 5:37:19pm

Chants of “No Trump, no kkk; no racist USA”

— Will Greenberg (@wrgree) November 10, 2016

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Too late on all three counts. https://t.co/cPRHJdJd9H

— I, Hoebot. (@eclecticbrotha) November 10, 2016

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BeachDem Nov 9, 2016 • 5:37:27pm

re: #359 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Dear white men: I’d apologize, but I’m not actually sorry if women and minorities are not getting over this fast enough to satisfy you. It’s a lot easier to be above it all when your rights aren’t under direct threat.

Of course, we all know that white men know best. That’s why that’s the group that overwhelmingly voted for Trump, right?

Posting this is probably a bad idea but occasionally they slip through. Sorry not sorry.

I described it last night as a cavalier attitude; that “it’s only 4 years and everybody will come through it.” My response was that no, not everybody would, and that there might be damage inflicted that will impact many for generations.

Also sorry not sorry.

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klys (maker of Silmarils) Nov 9, 2016 • 5:37:51pm

re: #465 ObserverArt

I’m a lily-white woman too. Married white women - my demographic - broke for Trump. I’m disgusted.

But I also know I didn’t vote for him. Neither did my husband. Neither did my immediate family. Neither did my state. Small comfort, right now, but it’s at least something I can hold onto and today I’ll take what I can get.

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Myron Falwell (no relation) Nov 9, 2016 • 5:38:04pm

re: #440 ObserverArt

I grew up in an Ohio city that was a little Detroit. We had an Empire Reeeves steel mill, Westinghouse, Tappan, General Motors Fisher body, Gorman Rupp pumps and many other industries. By 1975 almost all of it gone.

I can hardly drive through the city anymore as it is too depressing to see what has become of it. The people that are left are angry, resentful, unmotivated to do anything about it but bitch and moan and many are deeply racist.

I would not doubt one bit it voted 90% for Trump.

Lorain County (my home county, regrettably) is just as devastated, especially in Lorain and Elyria. It went for Resident Drumpf by 388 votes.

UGGGGGHHHHHH

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ObserverArt Nov 9, 2016 • 5:38:37pm

re: #361 stpaulbear

I would wait until they start voting in the next congress before I’d slam them for folding. They’re not going to be on board with the shit that’s going to go down then.

I’m not so much as slamming as reminding them their own actual constituents are hurting. Can a few days hurt?

What is that little bit about “time heals all wounds?” How about a little time.

Or better…you want to turn the other cheek…a very noble theory.

Prepare to get that slapped too.

Are you not seeing all the negative images and comments about liberals, people of color, women, non-Christian religions, etc. That is who the opposition is. They are what Trump represents.

Just my opinion.

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Backwoods_Sleuth Nov 9, 2016 • 5:38:48pm

Thousands of anti Trump protesters outside Trump Tower in Chicago. pic.twitter.com/KgmgYojzEU

— Breaking News Feed (@pzf) November 10, 2016

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EPR-radar Nov 9, 2016 • 5:40:12pm

For what’s it worth, I don’t object at all to the Warren and Sanders statements quoted upthread.

Both of them are of the form ‘If Trump does something reasonable, then X’.

1) Trump is unlikely to be reasonable, so the chance of actually having to deal with him is low.

2) If Trump does deviate from party orthodoxy, why not see what can be done?

Most importantly, this kind of bipartisan mumbo-jumbo is effectively required at this time. As satisfying as it would be to see Warren or Sanders come out with a statement that Trump is human garbage and no Democrat will ever speak to him or vote for any GOP bill etc., that would just help the Republicans.

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Frankie Five Angels Nov 9, 2016 • 5:41:24pm

@HistoryInPix And here in America we just elected someone that’s going to put one up.

— Billy Batts (@BillyBatts1970) November 10, 2016

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BeachDem Nov 9, 2016 • 5:41:44pm

re: #374 ObserverArt

They also could take the position that they are worried about their supporters and the people of their state. They could say they are prepared to consider working with Trump but those concerns make them cautionary.

Plus, it is only day one of America’s shock to the system. They could wait a bit and see what Trump has up his sleeve. You need to remember who voted you into office and you represent them.

There is plenty of time to be saying you will work with Trump, but you know it is indeed a two-way street.

Are we already forgetting we are not working with a traditional politician? So, why traditional politics?

Or they could have said nothing.

Let’s think back to 2008—what was the number of Republicans who made statements about how they would be working with Obama? And who touted any part of his platform as correct or good?

My recollection may be off, but I believe that number was fucking zero.

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Bubblehead II Nov 9, 2016 • 5:41:59pm

Look Lizard’s, not going to to try to put to fine of of a point on this.

He (tRump) IS our President elect. Am I happy about this? FUCK NO! But there were many here who went off the deep end when PBO was elected and ended up over at the fever swamp(s). Lets not see a repeat O.K.

Instead, let us work together to see that his (and the rethugicans) goals are stymied.

Can we at least agree on that?

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We're Way Beyond Snark Nov 9, 2016 • 5:42:17pm

re: #476 Backwoods_Sleuth

Protest is fine, protest shows where you stand — but don’t forget to boycott everything that’s within six degrees of separation from the Trump name as well.

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Varek Raith Nov 9, 2016 • 5:42:30pm

re: #219 Timothy Watson

Your evening levity for the Star Wars fans:

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It’s far worse when you actually read it.
*Shudders*

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Backwoods_Sleuth Nov 9, 2016 • 5:42:30pm

PHOTOS: Hundreds protest Trump’s victory in downtown #Seattle >> https://t.co/UoqfMdlF25 pic.twitter.com/bBKwqfJd93

— KOMO News (@komonews) November 10, 2016

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freetoken Nov 9, 2016 • 5:42:34pm

This is something in which I can take solace:

DOUG APPLEGATE
67673
53.01%
DARRELL ISSA
59984
46.99%

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ObserverArt Nov 9, 2016 • 5:43:25pm

re: #363 Skip Intro

White women voted overwhelmingly for Trump as well.

I know what you are saying Skip. I do think the women here are painfully aware of that. The big thing is I don’t see a lot of women telling them to get over it.

Okay…just looked at the pressure meter to my turbo intercooler and it is getting a bit high. Imma going to back out and lurk…getting a bit repetitive anyway. I don’t want to damage my engine or relationships with good Lizards.

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HappyWarrior Nov 9, 2016 • 5:43:58pm

re: #484 freetoken

This is something in which I can take solace:

That is good. I do take solace in that too. Wish it would have been with Clinton being elecetd but that’s a good win.

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Frankie Five Angels Nov 9, 2016 • 5:44:14pm

re: #484 freetoken

Maybe Issa can become Secretary of Arson in the Trump administration.

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Charles Johnson Nov 9, 2016 • 5:44:17pm

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We're Way Beyond Snark Nov 9, 2016 • 5:44:26pm

re: #480 Bubblehead II

Actually, “let us work together to see that his (and the rethugicans) goals are stymied” goes without saying — and is not inconsistent with venting and expressing our disgust WITHIN 24 HOURS OF THE F*CKING EVENT.

(Sorry for shouting.)

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klys (maker of Silmarils) Nov 9, 2016 • 5:44:41pm

re: #472 BeachDem

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The Vicious Babushka Nov 9, 2016 • 5:45:20pm

re: #480 Bubblehead II

Look Lizard’s, not going to to try to put to fine of of a point on this.

He (tRump) IS our President elect. Am I happy about this? FUCK NO! But there were many here who went off the deep end when PBO was elected and ended up over at the fever swamp(s). Lets not see a repeat O.K.

Instead, let us work together to see that his (and the rethugicans) goals are stymied.

Can we at least agree on that?

Do not compare Barack Obama to Trump. Most of us did not know anything about Sen. Obama when he was elected. He was relatively unknown. He did not have 5 children from 3 different women or campaign on a platform of racism, xenophobia and misogyny or have a swarm of neo-nazis and KKK worshipping him.

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dlnathan Nov 9, 2016 • 5:45:44pm

Issa won actually.
93,684 to 89,704

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HappyWarrior Nov 9, 2016 • 5:46:00pm

Well I was gentle with my brother when he did. I let him know that it’s stupid to claim someone should have been nominated base on hypothetical polls and that it’s silly for people who like to talk about how they’re for the people nominating someone based on that and someone who their party’s voters didn’t want. I hope he doesn’t get upset at me calling him out on his Facebook about but I didn’t name call or anything like that so I think we’re good. Really annoyed at our right wing friend who is pushing it though since he always derided Bernie as a stupid Communist and posts right wing bullshit anyhow.

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freetoken Nov 9, 2016 • 5:46:21pm

re: #487 Frankie Five Angels

re: #486 HappyWarrior

Well, we have to hold our breaths a bit, because the Registrar’s office also says this:

There are APPROXIMATELY 620000 Mail / Provisional ballots still to be counted

Emphasis in the original.

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freetoken Nov 9, 2016 • 5:46:45pm

re: #492 dlnathan

Issa won actually.
93,684 to 89,704

See, I should never believe the Registrar’s office again….

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HappyWarrior Nov 9, 2016 • 5:46:46pm

re: #494 freetoken

Well, we have to hold our breaths a bit, because the Registrar’s office also says this:

Emphasis in the original.

Aww damn.

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Backwoods_Sleuth Nov 9, 2016 • 5:47:37pm

re: #489 Snarknado!

Actually, “let us work together to see that his (and the rethugicans) goals are stymied” goes without saying — and is not inconsistent with venting and expressing our disgust WITHIN 24 HOURS OF THE F*CKING EVENT.

(Sorry for shouting.)

didn’t you hear? We’re wallowing in self-pity….

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Myron Falwell (no relation) Nov 9, 2016 • 5:48:13pm

At least I’m glad I finally decided to hatch last night… probably would have gone insane otherwise over how the news transpired. Thanks for welcoming me aboard.

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nines09 Nov 9, 2016 • 5:48:16pm

re: #488 Charles Johnson

You are not alone. By a long shot.

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We're Way Beyond Snark Nov 9, 2016 • 5:49:17pm

re: #491 The Vicious Babushka

Do not compare Barack Obama to Trump. Most of us did not know anything about Sen. Obama when he was elected. He was relatively unknown. He did not have 5 children from 3 different women or campaign on a platform of racism, xenophobia and misogyny or have a swarm of neo-nazis and KKK worshipping him.

I remember Charles’s head when the relatively unknown Barack Obama was elected (this was in his pre-reform phase). “Country before party.”

Trump is different.

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Frankie Five Angels Nov 9, 2016 • 5:49:27pm

re: #498 Myron Falwell (no relation)

Welcome! Did you bring the beer?

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HappyWarrior Nov 9, 2016 • 5:49:54pm

They say drain the swamp but then they return their Congresspeople there. Republican anti-Washington sentiment has always been a bunch of hollow bullshit.

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TedStriker Nov 9, 2016 • 5:50:19pm

As soon as through with the grieving and acceptance phases here, the next stage needs to be fighting back to claw back what we can, no punches pulled, no prisoners.

If the Trump administration is as bad as we fear that it will be, we may not have anything left to lose in going hard and dirty.

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Backwoods_Sleuth Nov 9, 2016 • 5:50:24pm

A growing crowd protests Donald Trump’s presidential victory in downtown San Diego pic.twitter.com/UqdXSRlLd0

— David Hernandez (@D4VIDHernandez) November 10, 2016

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A growing crowd protests Donald Trump’s presidential victory in downtown San Diego

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klys (maker of Silmarils) Nov 9, 2016 • 5:51:14pm

re: #498 Myron Falwell (no relation)

At least I’m glad I finally decided to hatch last night… probably would have gone insane otherwise over how the news transpired. Thanks for welcoming me aboard.

We’re a fun, generally not bite-y crowd.

Sane is maybe up for discussion, but I’d prefer to be this level of insane.

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Unshaken Defiance Nov 9, 2016 • 5:51:19pm

re: #418 Tigger2

Trump is going to go completely apeshit nuts over all these people protesting him.

Too effing bad. He lost the popular. Went to great expense and effort to piss off many kinds of people.

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The Vicious Babushka Nov 9, 2016 • 5:51:48pm

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GlutenFreeJesus Nov 9, 2016 • 5:53:01pm

FB purge starting after this post.

So many of my “friends” just have to rub it in. And they are being assholes about it.

“Trump won. Stop making fools out of yourselves with the protests!

Without even a hint of irony that they themselves vowed to defy Obama from day one before he was even sworn in in 2009.

And that they promised the same to Hillary.

Basically: “My guy won. Your ugly bitch lost. Fuck you.”

I’m so done with them.

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goddamnedfrank Nov 9, 2016 • 5:53:28pm

Massive protest: police estimate 10,000 people in Boston are protesting Donald Trump’s win #wcvb pic.twitter.com/WccPxWglbm

— John Atwater (@AtwaterWCVB) November 10, 2016

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Wondering how many of these anti-Trump protestors threw away their vote? https://t.co/mn8FfYrHkk

— Franksgiving (@goddamnedfrank) November 10, 2016

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We're Way Beyond Snark Nov 9, 2016 • 5:53:36pm

re: #503 TedStriker

Removing someone like that from the House roster is good in itself… and it’ll make the small difference that his odious voice will no longer be heard (if, indeed, he is defeated).

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BigPapa Nov 9, 2016 • 5:53:43pm

202,340 diff out of 59m, which Clinton won. 6,073,722 for 3rd party candidates. Enjoy.

Bernie was a 3rd party candidate, probably would have got a lot of votes as a Dem, but not as much as Clinton. I don’t buy that he would have beat Trump.

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freetoken Nov 9, 2016 • 5:54:05pm

re: #488 Charles Johnson

re: #504 Backwoods_Sleuth

Trump did terribly in California. Even Orange County went to Hillary. Didn’t even do as well (%) as Republican losers in the past.

I guess this goes to the “two Americas” thing. We out here are indeed removed from the bulk of the country.

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Unshaken Defiance Nov 9, 2016 • 5:54:49pm

re: #498 Myron Falwell (no relation)

At least I’m glad I finally decided to hatch last night… probably would have gone insane otherwise over how the news transpired. Thanks for welcoming me aboard.

Well done.

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Charles Johnson Nov 9, 2016 • 5:54:54pm

Maybe Bernie Sanders supporters should do a little introspection about how they helped Trump demonize Hillary Clinton. Just sayin’.

— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) November 10, 2016

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Weaselone Nov 9, 2016 • 5:55:23pm

re: #509 goddamnedfrank

I suspect nearly all of them voted for Hillary.

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klys (maker of Silmarils) Nov 9, 2016 • 5:55:37pm

Personal OT.

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Varek Raith Nov 9, 2016 • 5:55:52pm

I’m going to not be watching the news for a few more days.
I really don’t need the stress.
Sigh.

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unproven innocence Nov 9, 2016 • 5:56:02pm

re: #488 Charles Johnson

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{{CJ}} At least two of my siblings, perhaps four, voted for the Supreme Fascist.*

*No disparagement intended to the memory of Paul Erdős who, were he still living, would never be allowed entry to Trumpland.

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HappyWarrior Nov 9, 2016 • 5:56:04pm

re: #508 GlutenFreeJesus

FB purge starting after this post.

So many of my “friends” just have to rub it in. And they are being assholes about it.

“Trump won. Stop making fools out of yourselves with the protests!

Without even a hint of irony that they themselves vowed to defy Obama from day one before he was even sworn in in 2009.

And that they promised the same to Hillary.

Basically: “My guy won. Your ugly bitch lost. Fuck you.”

I’m so done with them.

How weird is it for me that one of the wisest posts I saw on the day came from a Libertarian? Some of my far lefty friends including own brother are doing the should have nominated Bernie card. Don’t really have too many Trumper friends fortunately so haven’t really seen them say anything yet but my one friend pretty much said how I feel, we’re not worried for ourselves as white guys in Trump’s America, we’re worried about other people. I told him flat out, we may have very different views on how the economy works but I do hope that we can work together where we will have common intersection in a Trump presidency. Now to be hoenst, the guy is one of the more pragmatic minded Libertarians I’ve known, not a Von Mises fanatic and definitely not a racism enabler either.

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Scottishdragon Nov 9, 2016 • 5:56:46pm

re: #488 Charles Johnson

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stpaulbear Nov 9, 2016 • 5:56:46pm

There’s a big protest going on in downtown St. Paul tonight too.

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HappyWarrior Nov 9, 2016 • 5:56:57pm

re: #509 goddamnedfrank

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Yeah if anyone there is someone who voted for Jill or Gary because Hillary wasn’t good enough, I don’t erally have a lot of sympathy, You knew that only two of them were going to get EVs.

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ObserverArt Nov 9, 2016 • 5:57:12pm

re: #333 freetoken

This, in my opinion, is the most critical time for framing our discussions.

That is what Bernie is doing.

That is what all the politicians in DC are doing.

PET (by new acronym for Drumpfskind, at least until he takes the actual oath of office) has, by his upturning first the Republican primary, and then the general election, turned DC politics on its side. New coalitions are being formed.

And importantly, first impressions last.

Now is exactly the time that public discourse has to deal with what has happened.

I screwed up my comment to this initially. Put my comment inside the blockquote tag. so here it is pulled out.

- - -

For you.

Can we not let others feel the way they feel?

Sorry, but in a way you too are saying get over it. I can only speak for myself. I will get over it…in time. Deal?

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BeachDem Nov 9, 2016 • 5:57:36pm

re: #427 HappyWarrior

Yep Golden Boy is probably done presidential wise but maybe not. Republicans like em old so maybe we see Marco Rubio channel McCain in 20 years.

See, I truly doubt Trump will have any interest in running in 2020. He wanted to win. He won. He has a really short attention span, and the glow of being president will have long worn off by then. He’ll be 74 years old, and I’d guess dreaming about going around the world giving well-paid speeches to adoring audiences, rather than the rigors of another campaign. YMMV, and of course, then there’s Pence. Shudder.

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klys (maker of Silmarils) Nov 9, 2016 • 5:57:52pm

Any Lizards have opinions on Civ VI?

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Charles Johnson Nov 9, 2016 • 5:58:15pm

The far left is just as much to blame as the far right for this election. Go ahead, hate me for saying it, but it’s true.

— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) November 10, 2016

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BigPapa Nov 9, 2016 • 5:58:41pm

re: #488 Charles Johnson

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goddamnedfrank Nov 9, 2016 • 5:58:50pm

re: #509 goddamnedfrank

Imagine if the protest industrial complex was as interested in being responsible for shit as they are in marching, making noise & being seen

— Franksgiving (@goddamnedfrank) November 10, 2016

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HappyWarrior Nov 9, 2016 • 5:59:32pm

re: #511 BigPapa

202,340 diff out of 59m, which Clinton won. 6,073,722 for 3rd party candidates. Enjoy.

Bernie was a 3rd party candidate, probably would have got a lot of votes as a Dem, but not as much as Clinton. I don’t buy that he would have beat Trump.

I don’t buy it either. They’re using “Well he polled better” which amuses the living hell out of me since that’s the same argument that the activist types hate (and rightfully so) when it’s used against them. You know why Bernie polled so “well” against Trump? Because the Republican noise machine hadn’t gotten to chew him up yet. There was a time and this was when he was a nominee that Michael Dukakis led George H.W Bush. Willie Horton and “Would you execute your wife’s rapist and killer” later, he lost big. These people can feel they think Bernie would have been a better candidate but don’t insult the Democratic voters who CHOSE Hillary as their party’s nominee by citing hypothetical polls.

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goddamnedfrank Nov 9, 2016 • 5:59:43pm

re: #515 Weaselone

I suspect nearly all of them voted for Hillary.

I don’t suspect that at all. I’ve been to too many protests, hypocrisy abounds.

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We're Way Beyond Snark Nov 9, 2016 • 6:00:11pm

re: #516 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Yeah, I’m resolving to eat healthy food (right now even when I feel hungry I don’t want to bother with eating), go to the gym, and lose the pounds I put on from my recent cruise, not to mention the stress eating while the campaign was going on. No marathons, though.

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William Lewis Nov 9, 2016 • 6:00:15pm

re: #514 Charles Johnson

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I have one other web site I hang at a lot. Big thread - “Rigging the nomination for Clinton…how’s that looking now?” The Bro’s just don’t get that they did anything wrong or that Bernie ran a really insanely bad campaign. No, it was “Neo-Liberals” locking Bernie out. SMDH.

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HappyWarrior Nov 9, 2016 • 6:00:21pm

re: #514 Charles Johnson

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Trump always had fun quoting Bernie’s “She has bad judgment.” Bernie ended up being a good surrogate for her but he did kneecap her along the way in a way she never did to Obama in 2008.

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klys (maker of Silmarils) Nov 9, 2016 • 6:01:14pm

re: #531 Snarknado!

Awww, a half’s not so bad… ;)

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The Vicious Babushka Nov 9, 2016 • 6:02:07pm

I think I will watch South Park tonight.

Matt and Trey were counting on a Clinton win in their story arc. They had to rewrite tonight’s episode in 24 hours.

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nines09 Nov 9, 2016 • 6:02:27pm

re: #526 Charles Johnson

The media is as much to blame for this as the idiots who held purity tests as the flames climbed higher.The fucking media really helped put that con in office. Could not have done it without them. Could not have.

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We're Way Beyond Snark Nov 9, 2016 • 6:03:04pm

re: #534 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Awww, a half’s not so bad… ;)

If you have the standard amount of cartilage in both knees.

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Patricia Kayden Nov 9, 2016 • 6:03:05pm

re: #302 Frankie Five Angels

How do you contribute to a “medical savings account” when you don’t have any money to save?

You don’t. You die. That’s the Republican plan.

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ObserverArt Nov 9, 2016 • 6:03:07pm

re: #420 Backwoods_Sleuth

The Tensing trial in Cincinnati has gone to the jury. There was no verdict today.

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Just saw this. As you probably are aware…Cincinnati already has a very ugly police and community relationship. If there is a not guilty verdict in light of the election it will blow the hell up big time.

And then of course the police and Governor Kasich will over react and America will get a nice 1965/67 repeat.

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The Vicious Babushka Nov 9, 2016 • 6:03:25pm

re: #536 nines09

The media is as much to blame for this as the idiots who held purity tests as the flames climbed higher.The fucking media really helped put that con in office. Could not have done it without them. Could not have.

The media screwed the pooch with their BOTH SIDES ARE JUST AS BAD narrative.

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klys (maker of Silmarils) Nov 9, 2016 • 6:03:45pm

re: #537 Snarknado!

If you have the standard amount of cartilage in both knees.

True. mr. klys doesn’t run and I don’t press him to. He bikes and is my cheering support section.

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TedStriker Nov 9, 2016 • 6:03:54pm

re: #511 BigPapa

202,340 diff out of 59m, which Clinton won. 6,073,722 for 3rd party candidates. Enjoy.

Bernie was a 3rd party candidate, probably would have got a lot of votes as a Dem, but not as much as Clinton. I don’t buy that he would have beat Trump.

Especially since he was able to horn in on the Democratic platform committee and get Clinton and the party to take up much of his agenda; he might have did a bit better with those that didn’t like Clinton (or with those who didn’t want any woman at the top of the ticket), but since Sanders has the charisma of a head of cabbage (and the purity brigade and Greens still wouldn’t have gone to him in any great number, as he was still running as a Dem), Trump still would have won.

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William Lewis Nov 9, 2016 • 6:05:03pm

re: #540 The Vicious Babushka

The media screwed the pooch with their BOTH SIDES ARE JUST AS BAD narrative.

Worse was utterly ignoring that Trump is a Putin puppet with his dick in a honey trap.

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klys (maker of Silmarils) Nov 9, 2016 • 6:05:34pm

If any queer couples in SF are pushing up weddings / making apts at City Hall, but can’t afford wedding pictures, @ me-happy to donate time pic.twitter.com/kVz5RL5PbB

— Jenny (@shelovesdresses) November 9, 2016

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This is the kind of thing that gives me hope right now. Maybe hope isn’t quite the right word but. A reminder that not all the world is awful.

Cats are still good too.

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The Vicious Babushka Nov 9, 2016 • 6:06:52pm

re: #543 William Lewis

Worse was utterly ignoring that Trump is a Putin puppet with his dick in a honey trap.

Hammering on BENGHAZI EMAILS while totally ignoring the MISSING TAX RETURNS.

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Bubblehead II Nov 9, 2016 • 6:07:40pm

Charles, I’m taking a break. Put my account on hold or transfer it to a Lizard you think deserves it. The community is going totally ape shit and I for one don’t wish to be part of the “He’s not a legitimate President ” crowd. He was lawfully elected, End of story.

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Unshaken Defiance Nov 9, 2016 • 6:08:30pm

Playing the Blues at high volume tonight. No TV, just my friends online and my music.

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klys (maker of Silmarils) Nov 9, 2016 • 6:08:41pm

re: #546 Bubblehead II

Didn’t you say up above that you were having some Crown and beers? I think you need to calm down, sleep it off, and come back again tomorrow.

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Charles Johnson Nov 9, 2016 • 6:08:52pm

There was lot of well-poisoning in this election, and a fucking horrible amount of it came from the far left.

— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) November 10, 2016

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HappyWarrior Nov 9, 2016 • 6:09:17pm

re: #532 William Lewis

I have one other web site I hang at a lot. Big thread - “Rigging the nomination for Clinton…how’s that looking now?” The Bro’s just don’t get that they did anything wrong or that Bernie ran a really insanely bad campaign. No, it was “Neo-Liberals” locking Bernie out. SMDH.

For them, admitting Bernie ran a bad campaign would be admitting that Bernie has flaws, and for many they can’t do that. I know what it’s like to be idealistic. You’re talking to a guy who was when he was a high school kid drove up to Baltimore to see Dennis Kucinich speak FFS. But Bernie had problems in his campaign. and so many of his supporters refuse to see it because they’re mad that the DNC favored someone who had been with their party for years over the guy who just joined them to get the quickest path to the Presidency and to his issues being heard.

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makeitstop Nov 9, 2016 • 6:09:30pm

re: #546 Bubblehead II

Charles, I’m taking a break. Put my account on hold or transfer it to a Lizard you think deserves it. The community is going totally ape shit and I for one don’t wish to be part of the “He’s not a legitimate President ” crowd. He was lawfully elected, End of story.

Who even said that? Anyone?

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The Vicious Babushka Nov 9, 2016 • 6:10:21pm

re: #546 Bubblehead II

Charles, I’m taking a break. Put my account on hold or transfer it to a Lizard you think deserves it. The community is going totally ape shit and I for one don’t wish to be part of the “He’s not a legitimate President ” crowd. He was lawfully elected, End of story.

Fuck you, nobody said that. You were telling people not to grieve.

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HappyWarrior Nov 9, 2016 • 6:10:26pm

re: #545 The Vicious Babushka

Hammering on BENGHAZI EMAILS while totally ignoring the MISSING TAX RETURNS.

or the Russian Connection which I assure you is nowhere near as fun as the French one.

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BigPapa Nov 9, 2016 • 6:10:42pm

re: #546 Bubblehead II

Whut? I think we’re holding up reasonably well. A few of us may be leaking some oil… but we’re good. Not sure who’s saying he’s not a legitimate president, if so would be few and far between.

He was elected pres with the EV, I’m pointing out he lost the popular vote by 1%. That’s as much a fact as him being president elect.

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We're Way Beyond Snark Nov 9, 2016 • 6:10:42pm

re: #546 Bubblehead II

Charles, I’m taking a break. Put my account on hold or transfer it to a Lizard you think deserves it. The community is going totally ape shit and I for one don’t wish to be part of the “He’s not a legitimate President ” crowd. He was lawfully elected, End of story.

Nobody has said he wasn’t lawfully elected, and the question of legitimacy hasn’t been raised.

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Ziggy_TARDIS Nov 9, 2016 • 6:10:57pm

re: #546 Bubblehead II

None of us have said that.

He got more electoral votes, but lost the popular vote.

Please stay. :’(

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Unshaken Defiance Nov 9, 2016 • 6:11:07pm

re: #546 Bubblehead II

Take a break as needed. But please come back.

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dlnathan Nov 9, 2016 • 6:11:08pm

re: #546 Bubblehead II

He’s President.
I just don’t think anyone here will like him, respect him and will
eagerly anticipate his first of many f*ck ups.
Like the Republicans with Obama.

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Kragar Nov 9, 2016 • 6:11:10pm

re: #463 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Skip Civ VI, its awful

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We're Way Beyond Snark Nov 9, 2016 • 6:11:21pm

re: #541 klys (maker of Silmarils)

True. mr. klys doesn’t run and I don’t press him to. He bikes and is my cheering support section.

Biking would give me the same problem as running. I walk. A lot. In hilly terrain.

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Feline Fearless Leader Nov 9, 2016 • 6:11:48pm

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klys (maker of Silmarils) Nov 9, 2016 • 6:12:04pm

re: #154 Bubblehead II

On the other hand, I have been hitting the Crown and sucking down some beer as well. So this all could be some wishful thinking

This post is probably very useful when trying to interpret this one.

re: #546 Bubblehead II

Charles, I’m taking a break. Put my account on hold or transfer it to a Lizard you think deserves it. The community is going totally ape shit and I for one don’t wish to be part of the “He’s not a legitimate President ” crowd. He was lawfully elected, End of story.

Just a note for folks trying to understand.

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The Vicious Babushka Nov 9, 2016 • 6:12:05pm

re: #558 dlnathan

He’s President.
I just don’t think anyone here will like him, respect him and will
eagerly anticipate his first of many f*ck ups.
Like the Republicans with Obama.

Nobody here is “eagerly anticipating” his fuckups. We are DREADING them.

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Myron Falwell (no relation) Nov 9, 2016 • 6:12:18pm

re: #536 nines09

The media is as much to blame for this as the idiots who held purity tests as the flames climbed higher.The fucking media really helped put that con in office. Could not have done it without them. Could not have.

Why CNN hasn’t been declassified yet as a “news network” is f—-ing mind boggling. They were the worst of the lot, and mind you, that lot was horrendously awful.

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William Lewis Nov 9, 2016 • 6:12:39pm

re: #551 makeitstop

Who even said that? Anyone?

I have stated that he is not and never will be my president. I consider my duty to the constitution to be that of resistance (passive and non-violent to be prefered) to the anti-American fascist regime. He may have see that.

We must all become Mexicans & Muslims and I urge people to wear a white rose as a symbol of that resistance.

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HappyWarrior Nov 9, 2016 • 6:12:50pm

re: #535 The Vicious Babushka

I think I will watch South Park tonight.

Matt and Trey were counting on a Clinton win in their story arc. They had to rewrite tonight’s episode in 24 hours.

I guess Mr. Garrison is going to be the President in the South Park world. I’m going to watch tomorrow or some other night.

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klys (maker of Silmarils) Nov 9, 2016 • 6:13:02pm

re: #559 Kragar

Skip Civ VI, its awful

Boo.

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GlutenFreeJesus Nov 9, 2016 • 6:13:16pm

re: #519 HappyWarrior

Consider yourself lucky. My Bernie and Libertarian friends went hog wild with a graphic of stick figures… Stein. Sanders. Trump. Johnson. All holding “stronger together” signs and beating a stick figure Hillary with them.

They are out of my life as of a few minutes ago. I swore to not let politics get in the way of friendship. But I never in a million years thought this would happen.

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Varek Raith Nov 9, 2016 • 6:13:54pm

re: #559 Kragar

Skip Civ VI, its awful

Figures.

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Scottishdragon Nov 9, 2016 • 6:13:58pm

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We're Way Beyond Snark Nov 9, 2016 • 6:14:02pm

re: #561 Feline Fearless Leader

Is Puffin angling for My Sad Cat’s vacant position?

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Feline Fearless Leader Nov 9, 2016 • 6:14:34pm

Time to check FB for the first time in close to a week. Might well have to jettison some people.

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The Vicious Babushka Nov 9, 2016 • 6:14:38pm

re: #566 HappyWarrior

I guess Mr. Garrison is going to be the President in the South Park world. I’m going to watch tomorrow or some other night.

They painted themselves into a corner by killing off Canadian Trump in the last season. Garrison is much more decent and self-aware than Trump and he is a cartoon.

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freetoken Nov 9, 2016 • 6:15:14pm

re: #549 Charles Johnson

To that extent, even though Hillary won overwhelmingly here in California, she still got 2.4 million fewer votes than Obama in 2012. (Same for Trump vs. Romney.)

Turnout was very much down.

It will take time to understand it all, but I don’t know what to chalk up to misogyny, false beliefs about “Killary”, or if a noticeable slice of the progressive community in California decided to not vote.

2.4 million.

Maybe it was a combination of all of the above.

I was thinking that the total President vote might be less than the number of voters who voted, so I compared to the marijuana measure (which I presume would have gotten a lot of attention), but the total vote on that is inline with the Presidential vote total.

So I’m guessing people just didn’t want to vote.

I saw no campaign signs in my little neighborhood for the top of the ticket.

I guess that should have been a clue to the very low turnout.

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Ziggy_TARDIS Nov 9, 2016 • 6:15:23pm

Do not give up!

First step! We need grassroots! Start from the ground up!

We will likely loose senate seats in 2018. But we can make gains at the State Level.

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Jack Burton Nov 9, 2016 • 6:15:41pm

re: #559 Kragar

Skip Civ VI, its awful

Can you elaborate a little on why? Bad content? Gameplay suck? Asinine changes? Full of Bugs and EA-style microtransactions?

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Blind Frog Belly White Nov 9, 2016 • 6:15:48pm

re: #546 Bubblehead II

Charles, I’m taking a break. Put my account on hold or transfer it to a Lizard you think deserves it. The community is going totally ape shit and I for one don’t wish to be part of the “He’s not a legitimate President ” crowd. He was lawfully elected, End of story.

Oh, fer chrissakes. If you want to take a break, just stop visiting. What’s this ‘hold or transfer’ nonsense? I don’t think there are limits on the number of accounts.

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The Vicious Babushka Nov 9, 2016 • 6:16:47pm

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HappyWarrior Nov 9, 2016 • 6:16:55pm

re: #568 GlutenFreeJesus

Consider yourself lucky. My Bernie and Libertarian friends went hog wild with a graphic of stick figures… Stein. Sanders. Trump. Johnson. All holding “stronger together” signs and beating a stick figure Hillary with them.

They are out of my life as of a few minutes ago. I swore to not let politics get in the way of friendship. But I never in a million years thought this would happen.

I don’t think my brother while he made no secret of his dislike for Clinton was antagnostic towards me, my parents, and grandmother for supporting her. I think he just has a dislike for politics. Personally, I think a lot of it is immature but I do know he’s got a good heart at least and is doing what he can to be a good father to his daughter. He’s still fairly young. Now I do know a few older BoBers who are being insufferable. They’re going to make the same mistake four years from now and wonder again why no one listens to them.

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Kragar Nov 9, 2016 • 6:17:01pm

re: #567 klys (maker of Silmarils)

There are all sorts of in game mechanisms that aren’t explained, it doesn’t remember the game settings from one session to the next, the diplomacy system is ridiculous.

Pissed I wasted as much time as I did on it, couldn’t return it for a refund on Steam

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BeachDem Nov 9, 2016 • 6:17:31pm

re: #473 klys (maker of Silmarils)

I’m a lily-white woman too. Married white women - my demographic - broke for Trump. I’m disgusted.

But I also know I didn’t vote for him. Neither did my husband. Neither did my immediate family. Neither did my state. Small comfort, right now, but it’s at least something I can hold onto and today I’ll take what I can get.

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I was having serious thoughts of skipping Thanksgiving this year (it’s at my right-wing brother and his banshee Bircher wife’s house.)

Talked to my sister a few minutes ago—she’s the one who hadn’t voted in 25 years and was all in for all Democrats this time. She and BIL (very non-political) were both really upset, and she said that all of nieces and nephews who are all Democrats, particular brother dearest’s children, have been on a tear all day. I’m almost tempted to get a secret facebook page just to keep up with them.

Anyway, I’ve decided to go for Thanksgiving—if it’s like the gathering we had at his house in August, he and the banshee were outnumbered about 20-2.

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ObserverArt Nov 9, 2016 • 6:17:49pm

re: #474 Myron Falwell (no relation)

Lorain County (my home county, regrettably) went for Resident Drumpf by 388 votes.

UGGGGGHHHHHH

I know it all too well. Richland for me.

Richland County Ohio - 35,660 Trump…14,618 Clinton.

Ugh!!!

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nines09 Nov 9, 2016 • 6:18:01pm

re: #564 Myron Falwell (no relation)

Why CNN hasn’t been declassified yet as a “news network” is f—-ing mind boggling. They were the worst of the lot, and mind you, that lot was horrendously awful.

All of them were shameful. It was babble. Mindless. Gutless. Stupefying. Somewhere Walter Cronkite weeps.

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Jack Burton Nov 9, 2016 • 6:18:40pm

re: #580 Kragar

So basically it was released unfinished. Great job Firaxis.

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klys (maker of Silmarils) Nov 9, 2016 • 6:18:42pm

re: #580 Kragar

I’ll probably wait and pick it up when it goes on sale then. In like a year or so.

To be fair, it’s not like my games backlog isn’t ridiculous. Maybe I should play some Fallout 3, just in case.

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We're Way Beyond Snark Nov 9, 2016 • 6:19:19pm

re: #570 Scottishdragon

[redacted]

I began to be able to think of something else and even eat when I put together an escape plan in case of dire necessity. (It would be like chewing off a foot to escape a trap, but if things get really bad I have a plan.)

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klys (maker of Silmarils) Nov 9, 2016 • 6:19:56pm

re: #586 Snarknado!

Eep, that was in a private tag. Pencil to fix?

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Scottishdragon Nov 9, 2016 • 6:19:57pm

re: #586 Snarknado!

Please put my quote in private. I did that for a reason.

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GlutenFreeJesus Nov 9, 2016 • 6:20:49pm

re: #568 GlutenFreeJesus

Click to Reveal

Ok so I misrepresented the graphic slightly. It’s supporters of all candidates cheering on their choice. Then a Hillary supporter joins in and they all gang up on them.

I can’t even.

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We're Way Beyond Snark Nov 9, 2016 • 6:21:34pm

re: #585 klys (maker of Silmarils)

I’ll probably wait and pick it up when it goes on sale then. In like a year or so.

To be fair, it’s not like my games backlog isn’t ridiculous. Maybe I should play some Fallout 3, just in case.

Join the club. I have about 75 games on gog.com that I’ve never gotten around to playing.

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Scottishdragon Nov 9, 2016 • 6:22:44pm

re: #590 Snarknado!

I really really need you to go back and put my quote under a private tag in your reply.

Not kidding about that.

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Ziggy_TARDIS Nov 9, 2016 • 6:23:11pm

re: #586 Snarknado!

I’m beginning to put together a plan. I have friends in Canada.

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ObserverArt Nov 9, 2016 • 6:23:58pm

re: #488 Charles Johnson

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William Lewis Nov 9, 2016 • 6:24:24pm

re: #591 Scottishdragon

I really really need you to go back and put my quote under a private tag in your reply.

Not kidding about that.

It is here.

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We're Way Beyond Snark Nov 9, 2016 • 6:25:23pm

re: #587 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Eep, that was in a private tag. Pencil to fix?

Odd, it didn’t display as private when I first read it, and I couldn’t get the private tags to work. So I deleted the quote.

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Scottishdragon Nov 9, 2016 • 6:26:19pm

Thanks, snarknado :) . Some non public info was in that post.

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goddamnedfrank Nov 9, 2016 • 6:26:19pm

re: #585 klys (maker of Silmarils)

I’ll probably wait and pick it up when it goes on sale then. In like a year or so.

To be fair, it’s not like my games backlog isn’t ridiculous. Maybe I should play some Fallout 3, just in case.

BroForce is on sale.

Youtube Video

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klys (maker of Silmarils) Nov 9, 2016 • 6:26:25pm

re: #595 Snarknado!

Odd, it didn’t display as private when I first read it, and I couldn’t get the private tags to work. So I deleted the quote.

The private tag plays really wonky with the edit button, I’ve noticed.

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We're Way Beyond Snark Nov 9, 2016 • 6:26:32pm

re: #588 Scottishdragon

Please put my quote in private. I did that for a reason.

I’m sorry, and I’ve deleted the comment. (As I said, I saw it in clear, no private tags. Don’t know why.)

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Charles Johnson Nov 9, 2016 • 6:26:35pm

Are you busy right now? If not, would you please go fuck yourself? @WolfPac75

— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) November 10, 2016

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Myron Falwell (no relation) Nov 9, 2016 • 6:26:44pm

Full Steve Kerr statement on Trump winning https://t.co/VpoQIqq7t6 pic.twitter.com/NQa1ViP1xd

— Ethan Strauss (@SherwoodStrauss) November 10, 2016

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Based on the tone coming from the NBA, @cavs visit to the White House tomorrow may be the last for an NBA champ for at least 4 years https://t.co/hJZOe1IkzP

— Daryl Ruiter (@RuiterWrongFAN) November 10, 2016

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klys (maker of Silmarils) Nov 9, 2016 • 6:26:58pm

re: #597 goddamnedfrank

BroForce is on sale.

Ironically, the Tyranny Game apparently comes out tomorrow. So there’s that.

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Blind Frog Belly White Nov 9, 2016 • 6:27:02pm

My sons, at 22 and 25, have spent the last >1/3 of their lives with a Democratic president. Bush was when they were younger, and had other stuff to worry about. One is politically aware, the other more aware now, largely due to his newly-naturalized girlfriend.

They’re desolated. The Older Boy (politically aware) didn’t want to go to work today, but I talked him into it - better to stay active.

Perhaps in trying to convince THEM we’ll get through it, I’ll convince myself.

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Varek Raith Nov 9, 2016 • 6:27:32pm

re: #585 klys (maker of Silmarils)

I’ll probably wait and pick it up when it goes on sale then. In like a year or so.

To be fair, it’s not like my games backlog isn’t ridiculous. Maybe I should play some Fallout 3, just in case.

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Don't Blame Me, I Voted for Kodos Nov 9, 2016 • 6:27:32pm

Bizarre thought, since this election is like no other we’ve ever experienced.

We know that there are at least two court dates coming up before Trump’s inauguration on Jan. 20 - One for Trump University fraud charges on November 28 and the other being a grand jury for the sexual assault on underage girls.

Both of these happen before the Electoral College convenes in each state - which occurs this year on December 19 (the Monday after the second Wednesday of the month). If decisions on either of those don’t go the Donald’s way, can anyone see a “faithless elector” revolt taking place that would drive Trump below 270? Normally I wouldn’t even mention the possibility, but we are so far into uncharted territory here that absolutely nothing would surprise me at this point.

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Charles Johnson Nov 9, 2016 • 6:28:49pm

.@maddow is now playing a montage of Trump’s policy promises and it’s fucking horrifying.

— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) November 10, 2016

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We're Way Beyond Snark Nov 9, 2016 • 6:28:55pm

re: #598 klys (maker of Silmarils)

The private tag plays really wonky with the edit button, I’ve noticed.

That too, but the original posting displayed without private tags for me when I first got it. Weird. Anyway, it’s gone now.

(And I am too. Have to go out tonight, back in a couple of hours.)

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The Vicious Babushka Nov 9, 2016 • 6:29:09pm

re: #605 Don’t Blame Me, I Voted for Kodos

Bizarre thought, since this election is like no other we’ve ever experienced.

We know that there are at least two court dates coming up before Trump’s inauguration on Jan. 20 - One for Trump University fraud charges on November 28 and the other being a grand jury for the sexual assault on underage girls.

Both of these happen before the Electoral College convenes in each state - which occurs this year on December 19 (the Monday after the second Wednesday of the month). If decisions on either of those don’t go the Donald’s way, can anyone see a “faithless elector” revolt taking place that would drive Trump below 270? Normally I wouldn’t even mention the possibility, but we are so far into uncharted territory here that absolutely nothing would surprise me at this point.

I see you have entered the “Bargaining” phase of grief.

It would not surprise me to see both of those cases withdrawn.

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ObserverArt Nov 9, 2016 • 6:29:30pm

It’s so hard not to comment when such unique happenings are underway.

I cannot remember so many big protests in major cities a day after an election. Maybe Nixon? But I don’t remember even for him.

This may be unprecedented. It is good to see. Sad thing is I bet Trump does not care at all.

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Varek Raith Nov 9, 2016 • 6:29:35pm

re: #605 Don’t Blame Me, I Voted for Kodos

Bizarre thought, since this election is like no other we’ve ever experienced.

We know that there are at least two court dates coming up before Trump’s inauguration on Jan. 20 - One for Trump University fraud charges on November 28 and the other being a grand jury for the sexual assault on underage girls.

Both of these happen before the Electoral College convenes in each state - which occurs this year on December 19 (the Monday after the second Wednesday of the month). If decisions on either of those don’t go the Donald’s way, can anyone see a “faithless elector” revolt taking place that would drive Trump below 270? Normally I wouldn’t even mention the possibility, but we are so far into uncharted territory here that absolutely nothing would surprise me at this point.

At this point? Why not?
Anything is possible now.
What a freaking country.

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Scottishdragon Nov 9, 2016 • 6:29:38pm

BBL…

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TedStriker Nov 9, 2016 • 6:29:39pm

re: #551 makeitstop

Who even said that? Anyone?

I said he wasn’t my President, but I never said he became President unlawfully.

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Ziggy_TARDIS Nov 9, 2016 • 6:30:49pm

re: #603 Blind Frog Belly White

There are protests going on today and tomorrow. Tell them to join one. I will.

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klys (maker of Silmarils) Nov 9, 2016 • 6:31:08pm

Well, I know which company I won’t be supporting.

.@NewBalance is the first major sportswear company to publicly back president-elect Donald Trump: https://t.co/P60RgXhool pic.twitter.com/dVYpc8Fr87

— solecollector.com (@SoleCollector) November 10, 2016

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bratwurst Nov 9, 2016 • 6:31:10pm

Your World Champion Chicago Cub, ladies and gentlemen:

Time for Hollywood to pony up and head for the border #illhelpyoupack #beatit

— Jake Arrieta (@JArrieta34) November 9, 2016

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TedStriker Nov 9, 2016 • 6:31:33pm

re: #546 Bubblehead II

Charles, I’m taking a break. Put my account on hold or transfer it to a Lizard you think deserves it. The community is going totally ape shit and I for one don’t wish to be part of the “He’s not a legitimate President ” crowd. He was lawfully elected, End of story.

If you’re gonna flounce, shit or get off the pot.

Otherwise, chill out; if we’re really dragging you down too much, how about you just log out and walk away for a while, because LGF will be here when you get back.

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JasonA Nov 9, 2016 • 6:31:36pm

We’re talking about internment camps on TV now. https://t.co/Sx8JOKLtot

— Brian Stelter (@brianstelter) November 10, 2016

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To be fair Van Jones brought it up. Don’t want to mislead.

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Backwoods_Sleuth Nov 9, 2016 • 6:32:12pm

CNN right now: “Maybe we shouldn’t have acted as a 24/7 infomercial for Trump and reported on actual news instead.”

— Imraan Siddiqi (@imraansiddiqi) November 9, 2016

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Fuck them per usual. https://t.co/xnfjxR6zGi

— Propane Jane™ (@docrocktex26) November 10, 2016

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Charles Johnson Nov 9, 2016 • 6:32:31pm

re: #598 klys (maker of Silmarils)

The private tag plays really wonky with the edit button, I’ve noticed.

When you edit a comment and save changes, it doesn’t show up in YOUR browser as private. But it is. This will be fixed soon.

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Jack Burton Nov 9, 2016 • 6:33:16pm

re: #605 Don’t Blame Me, I Voted for Kodos

For all the hand-wringing and whining going on about “Why do we have the Electoral College at all?”, well *this* kind of shit is exactly why we have it. Apparently no one gets it anymore.

And because no one does, they won’t do it. Don’t hold your breath on this.

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JasonA Nov 9, 2016 • 6:34:34pm

Weren’t we joking about this? I don’t know what’s real anymore.

Arizona’s Sheriff Joe Arpaio touted as possible Homeland Security secretary candidate after losing bid for 7th term. https://t.co/VZ8nUcFxvt pic.twitter.com/fWRTWjbABR

— ABC News (@ABC) November 10, 2016

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klys (maker of Silmarils) Nov 9, 2016 • 6:34:44pm

re: #619 Charles Johnson

When you edit a comment and save changes, it doesn’t show up in YOUR browser as private. But it is. This will be fixed soon.

To be fair, you do an excellent job! I hadn’t gotten around to playing with it enough to document what was happening either, so I was being lazy and really shouldn’t complain.

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HappyWarrior Nov 9, 2016 • 6:37:20pm

re: #615 bratwurst

Your World Champion Chicago Cub, ladies and gentlemen:

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Glad he’s not an Oriole anymore even if he is good now talking stupid like that. Sorry, Jake, this is their country too. We sat and listened to you guys bitch about Obama non-stop for the stupidest shit.

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Don't Blame Me, I Voted for Kodos Nov 9, 2016 • 6:37:36pm

re: #608 The Vicious Babushka

I see you have entered the “Bargaining” phase of grief.

It would not surprise me to see both of those cases withdrawn.

Not really “barganing” here. I could see the sexual assault one being no-billed, especially given the amount of time that has passed, but the Trump U case isn’t going away, especially when you consider the racially-charged way that Trump went after the presiding judge Gonzalo Curielin that case. Adding the fact that there are federal racketeering charges involved on it, where Curielin has repeatedly denied motions to reschedule or dismiss the case - it is a very safe bet that this one will happen.

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Ziggy_TARDIS Nov 9, 2016 • 6:38:36pm

I’m not too sure on this. Thoughts?

You understand the US is going to default on its debt, right?

— (((Trigger)))™ (@chemoelectric) November 10, 2016

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Feline Fearless Leader Nov 9, 2016 • 6:38:37pm

Hmm, my Facebook friends were relatively calm. A lot of disappointment among some and concern about what is to come.

Pretty much summarized by one person:
“Did your candidate win? Good for you. Now shut the hell up!
Did your candidate lose? That’s too bad. Now shut the hell up!”

And a lot of “Yeah! No more stupid commercials!”.

Berners being Berners as well - but the 4-5 people, mainly younger, who I did not expect to understand what a mess Sanders was. And they were generally trying to be civil about it and not blockheads.

Also one person admitting a vote for Trump as a “protest” towards preventing Hillary having a mandate. In North Carolina. O_o

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ObserverArt Nov 9, 2016 • 6:38:54pm

re: #527 BigPapa

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Jenner7 Nov 9, 2016 • 6:42:13pm

Protests aren’t going to accomplish a damn thing.

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Charles Johnson Nov 9, 2016 • 6:42:21pm

Testing…

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Backwoods_Sleuth Nov 9, 2016 • 6:43:47pm

For anyone questioning #TrumpProtest… this is *literally* what Trump called for in ‘12 when he mistakenly thought Romney won pop. vote. pic.twitter.com/7VjzmPlDE7

— Spinoza (@azon1ps) November 10, 2016

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HappyWarrior Nov 9, 2016 • 6:43:49pm

re: #626 Feline Fearless Leader

Hmm, my Facebook friends were relatively calm. A lot of disappointment among some and concern about what is to come.

Pretty much summarized by one person:
“Did your candidate win? Good for you. Now shut the hell up!
Did your candidate lose? That’s too bad. Now shut the hell up!”

And a lot of “Yeah! No more stupid commercials!”.

Berners being Berners as well - but the 4-5 people, mainly younger, who I did not expect to understand what a mess Sanders was. And they were generally trying to be civil about it and not blockheads.

Also one person admitting a vote for Trump as a “protest” towards preventing Hillary having a mandate. In North Carolina. O_o

I think the older Busters are more obnoxious. My brother did post something stupid about how the DNC had only themselves to blame for nominating Clinton rather than Bernie because Bernie was polling better but I gently told him that it doesnt work that way. He later called me and said he was just blowing some steam and admits that part of it is that he’s really not even too big into our political system as a whole anyhow, I disagree but I respect his stance a whole lot more than the Berners like Susan Sarandon.

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Tigger2 Nov 9, 2016 • 6:43:53pm

re: #618 Backwoods_Sleuth

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That might have been a good idea, give some actual truthful news, When I turn on the news I don’t want the hear some asshole give their opinion I want the real news like it used to be.

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ObserverArt Nov 9, 2016 • 6:44:02pm

re: #546 Bubblehead II

Charles, I’m taking a break. Put my account on hold or transfer it to a Lizard you think deserves it. The community is going totally ape shit and I for one don’t wish to be part of the “He’s not a legitimate President ” crowd. He was lawfully elected, End of story.

Jesus. And you think we are overreacting and need to get over oursleves???

I ask you, point out one lizard that said he was not a legit president. I may have missed it.

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Unshaken Defiance Nov 9, 2016 • 6:44:19pm

re: #629 Charles Johnson

Testing…

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Kragar Nov 9, 2016 • 6:44:33pm

re: #625 Ziggy_TARDIS

It is what Trump promised he would do

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HappyWarrior Nov 9, 2016 • 6:44:37pm

re: #630 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Trump be consistent? That’s unpossible. Oh but I wouldn’t give for someone to ask him about that.

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Charles Johnson Nov 9, 2016 • 6:44:42pm

Editing a private comment now works as expected. The private section is hidden behind a button as if you just posted it.

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Eclectic Cyborg Nov 9, 2016 • 6:45:12pm

re: #621 JasonA

Arpaio is 84. He probably wouldn’t even make it one term.

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Ziggy_TARDIS Nov 9, 2016 • 6:46:10pm

re: #635 Kragar

Oh geez.

Let’s hope Congress has second thoughts.

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ObserverArt Nov 9, 2016 • 6:47:04pm

re: #565 William Lewis

I have stated that he is not and never will be my president. I consider my duty to the constitution to be that of resistance (passive and non-violent to be prefered) to the anti-American fascist regime. He may have see that.

We must all become Mexicans & Muslims and I urge people to wear a white rose as a symbol of that resistance.

So it was YOU!

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Schweppes7 Nov 9, 2016 • 6:47:25pm

I think I am going to donate to the ACLU. With the current state of affairs, their litigation efforts may be one of the few checks against some of the radical republican agenda that is about to be rammed through.

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HappyWarrior Nov 9, 2016 • 6:47:40pm

re: #638 Eclectic Cyborg

Arpaio is 84. He probably wouldn’t even make it one term.

Google Strom Thurmond.

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Eclectic Cyborg Nov 9, 2016 • 6:47:47pm

See and Trump probably thinks defaulting on the debt is no big deal because he himself has survived 6 bankruptcies.

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Ziggy_TARDIS Nov 9, 2016 • 6:48:54pm

re: #643 Eclectic Cyborg

Him trying a stunt like that might get him impeached.

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Charles Johnson Nov 9, 2016 • 6:49:04pm

I will never “unite around” Donald Trump. I’ll fight his ugly agenda to my last breath. @AngryBlackLady

— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) November 10, 2016

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ObserverArt Nov 9, 2016 • 6:50:08pm

When sports can help you recover.

The Columbus Blue Jackets just won in overtime. Record now is 6-3-2 after starting with 2 loses. This is so much a better start to the season as compared to last year.

And with that..later Lizards.

And Bubblehead II come on man!

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Eclectic Cyborg Nov 9, 2016 • 6:50:17pm

re: #644 Ziggy_TARDIS

Him trying a stunt like that might get him impeached.

I can only hope you are right.

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klys (maker of Silmarils) Nov 9, 2016 • 6:50:30pm

This thread.

A couple things for people to put on their immediate to-do list, speaking from my line of work. 1/

— Britt (@brittalih) November 10, 2016

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BeachDem Nov 9, 2016 • 6:51:02pm

I know as soon as I post this, a new thread will go up, but Connie Schultz pretty much says it all:

Don’t ask us to congratulate him.

Not today. Not this week. Not ever, probably.

He stands for so much of what we’d dared to hope was behind us as a country. Bigotry, misogyny, xenophobia. He spewed it with reckless abandon, and now he is going to be our next president.

Of course we are distancing ourselves. We love our families, our communities and our country. Our commitment is not a charade. And we want to live with ourselves.

This is not a sporting event. This is not about good manners. Sometimes there is no deliverance in the fake smile, the phony congratulations.

That’s just the beginning—it goes on and gets even stronger.

We have listened to him talk about us for months. We know him.

We know whom he threatened and whom he bullied. We know whom he hates. (Let us raise our hands.) We know that he bragged about grabbing women by the genitals and that he mocked a gold star family and a man with disabilities. We know he lied. Over and over, he lied. And he got away with it.

This new job title will not change who he is.

The whole thing is, well it’s what you’d expect from Connie Schultz—and now I’m crying again. Damn.

creators.com

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Ziggy_TARDIS Nov 9, 2016 • 6:51:30pm

re: #647 Eclectic Cyborg

There are enough Pro-Business Republicans, or at least those where Money > Principles, that I think that will not happen.

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GlutenFreeJesus Nov 9, 2016 • 6:52:47pm

Ayotte concedes to Hassan. Good riddance. But I bet all these losers will not have places in the Trump cabinet.

cnn.com

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William Lewis Nov 9, 2016 • 6:53:20pm

re: #647 Eclectic Cyborg

I can only hope you are right.

And have Ayatollah Pence as president?

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HappyWarrior Nov 9, 2016 • 6:55:07pm

re: #651 GlutenFreeJesus

Ayotte concedes to Hassan. Good riddance. But I bet all these losers will not have places in the Trump cabinet.

cnn.com

I can’t see Trump who holds grudges giving Ayotte anything after she backed away from him after the whole role model thing. Good to see Hassan pull through. Did the Dem canddiate for governor win there too?

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Jack Burton Nov 9, 2016 • 6:55:12pm

re: #644 Ziggy_TARDIS

Him trying a stunt like that might get him impeached.

“What of the reports of President Clownstick defaulting on Treasury Bonds?”

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Eclectic Cyborg Nov 9, 2016 • 6:55:20pm

re: #652 William Lewis

And have Ayatollah Pence as president?

Well my preference would be for the senate to not act fucking stupid and default on the debt.

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HappyWarrior Nov 9, 2016 • 6:56:04pm

re: #652 William Lewis

And have Ayatollah Pence as president?

HOnestly in some ways, Pence scares me more than Trump much like Ted Cruz did, maybe even more because Republicans like the guy and he’s actually got some understanding on how to get legislation passed too.

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Ziggy_TARDIS Nov 9, 2016 • 6:56:51pm

I will attend the Dallas Protest tomorrow.

We need to behave like it is the 1960’s all over again.

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nines09 Nov 9, 2016 • 6:57:04pm

For as angry and upset as I am in my fellow man, and I live in a sea of Trump suckers, and I haven’t had a drink in 6 days, I think I’m holding up pretty good. I just may have a very intense conversation with my band mates come Sunday, and I’m going to be stone cold sober. Stone sober. Because I want to remember exactly every word that comes out of my mouth. We see. It’s either way right now, but my bulkhead is bending and I’ve about had my fill.
The sun also rises.
goodnight.

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JasonA Nov 9, 2016 • 6:57:17pm

This made me feel a little better. Just words, but right now we don’t have much.

Read the Letter Aaron Sorkin Wrote His Daughter After Donald Trump Was Elected President https://t.co/WKQ2edFkAa

— Peter Avellino (@PeterAPeel) November 10, 2016

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stpaulbear Nov 9, 2016 • 6:57:51pm

re: #544 klys (maker of Silmarils)

“If any queer couples in SF are pushing up weddings / making apts at City Hall, but can’t afford wedding pictures, @ me-happy to donate time”

This is the kind of thing that gives me hope right now. Maybe hope isn’t quite the right word but. A reminder that not all the world is awful.

Cats are still good too.

I just happened to visit friends in SF the week that the mayor decided that gay marriage would be legal in SF, before the courts shut it down. The city was just on fire - ecstatic. That was a fun week. Seems like a lifetime ago now.

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Dr. Matt Nov 9, 2016 • 7:00:32pm

Trump is the first “president” to not win his home state AND not win the popular vote. Pathetic. #notmypresident

— Dr. Matt (@DrMatthew) November 10, 2016

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HappyWarrior Nov 9, 2016 • 7:00:47pm

re: #660 stpaulbear

I just happened to visit friends in SF the week that the mayor decided that gay marriage would be legal in SF, before the courts shut it down. The city was just on fire - ecstatic. That was a fun week. Seems like a lifetime ago now.

So many ups and downs. We have made so much progress that I never thought we would on LGBT issues in Obama’s presidency and now there’s a chance that Trump-Pence could undo a lot of it simply with some EOs, passed legislation, and some really bad judges. Pence quite honestly was the worst person that was a finalist for VP for Trump. Yes, Christie is Governor Bridge and yes Newt is Newt but Pence is the kind of guy who tells you he’s praying for your gay friends and relatives while he’s using your tax money to fund his sex conversion therapy fantasies.

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JasonA Nov 9, 2016 • 7:01:17pm

re: #661 Dr. Matt

I would’ve gone with “Sad!” but you do you!

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GlutenFreeJesus Nov 9, 2016 • 7:01:23pm

re: #653 HappyWarrior

Not sure.

As for Trump and his grudges. He will likely give Newt a top job. I remember even Newt talked back at him for something stupid he said.

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Dr. Matt Nov 9, 2016 • 7:02:36pm

re: #664 GlutenFreeJesus

Not sure.

As for Trump and his grudges. He will likely give Newt a top job. I remember even Newt talked back at him for something stupid he said.

Palin and Giuliani will get posts as well.

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JasonA Nov 9, 2016 • 7:02:41pm

re: #664 GlutenFreeJesus

Not sure.

As for Trump and his grudges. He will likely give Newt a top job. I remember even Newt talked back at him for something stupid he said.

I believe it’s looking like Newt will be our next Secretary of State.

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HappyWarrior Nov 9, 2016 • 7:03:13pm

re: #664 GlutenFreeJesus

Not sure.

As for Trump and his grudges. He will likely give Newt a top job. I remember even Newt talked back at him for something stupid he said.

Yeah but Newt has more than made up for it since. That’s true though. Goes without saying but really not liking what I’m seeing out of Trump’s cabinet so far. It’s not like Obama’s who had a wide variety of people with unique backgrounds and qualifications.

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HappyWarrior Nov 9, 2016 • 7:03:37pm

re: #665 Dr. Matt

Palin and Giuliani will get posts as well.

Christie I heard as well. I’m sure Carson will too.

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HappyWarrior Nov 9, 2016 • 7:03:58pm

re: #666 JasonA

I believe it’s looking like Newt will be our next Secretary of State.

Said it earlier but that makes me glad I’m not working at DOS like I once dreamed of.

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JasonA Nov 9, 2016 • 7:04:18pm

Trump transition team is live and tweeting: https://t.co/X9y6vJgBS8

— TBogg (@tbogg) November 10, 2016

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Stanley Sea Nov 9, 2016 • 7:04:36pm

RJC hints at Review of ADL’s tax exempt status after criticism of Trump https://t.co/2vTwvSKkUq via @TPM

— Josh Marshall (@joshtpm) November 10, 2016

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The crackdown on civil society begins?#i‘mwithadl @stacybADL @harryreis
https://t.co/LlFBVfjogR

— (((Yehudah Mirsky))) (@YehudahMirsky) November 10, 2016

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JasonA Nov 9, 2016 • 7:05:38pm

Friend sent me a pic-pal of theirs in TX, father of a 6-year-old woke up to a “Grab her by the p—-/Trump that b—” sign across the street.

— Joy Reid (@JoyAnnReid) November 10, 2016

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Backwoods_Sleuth Nov 9, 2016 • 7:05:45pm

Possible triple shooting at 3rd and Pike in Seattle. #komonews for updates pic.twitter.com/hQx9bKf5yy

— Elisa Jaffe (@ElisaJaffe) November 10, 2016

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Possible triple shooting at 3rd and Pike in Seattle. #komonews for updates

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HappyWarrior Nov 9, 2016 • 7:06:08pm

Well in the bright side of political ramblings on FB, my aunt just posted this.

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HappyWarrior Nov 9, 2016 • 7:06:41pm

re: #671 Stanley Sea

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Trump’s war on the 1st amendment begins.

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unproven innocence Nov 9, 2016 • 7:08:09pm

re: #652 William Lewis

And have Ayatollah Pence as president?

By delegating most of his own executive power to the VP, ie, President of the Senate, he would be combining the US Senate with the Executive Branch to an extent which, IMO, is inconsistent with the intent of the Constitution. And he wants unprecidented authority over the “Fourth Branch” of government —the Press.

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Myron Falwell (no relation) Nov 9, 2016 • 7:08:27pm

re: #649 BeachDem

I know as soon as I post this, a new thread will go up, but Connie Schultz pretty much says it all:

That’s just the beginning—it goes on and gets even stronger.

The whole thing is, well it’s what you’d expect from Connie Schultz—and now I’m crying again. Damn.

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Connie and Sen. Sherrod Brown live in my hometown of Avon, and I’m happy for that.

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Backwoods_Sleuth Nov 9, 2016 • 7:08:53pm

re: #673 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Possible triple shooting at 3rd and Pike in Seattle. #komonews for updates

The shooting in downtown Seattle appears to be unrelated to the #notmypresident protest.

— Paige Cornwell (@pgcornwell) November 10, 2016

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Citizen K Nov 9, 2016 • 7:09:06pm

re: #675 HappyWarrior

Trump’s war on the 1st amendment begins.

Everything that the GOP fearmongered right out of the gate with Obama, Trump is promising openly as a matter of policy. Enemies list, revenge, crony appointments almost expressly chosen to undermine each of the departments they’re suggested for, and a promise to fuck everyone not like him good hard, and fast, because that’s exactly what America fucking wants out of him.

We’re not going to survive even 2 years of this. I’m fucking sure of it.

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goddamnedfrank Nov 9, 2016 • 7:09:16pm

This is the kind of hypocritical leftist dumbfuckery I’m talking about.

Lmfao… pic.twitter.com/6bP8lBvUPm

— White Man:Very Sorry (@bonerhitler) November 9, 2016

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HappyWarrior Nov 9, 2016 • 7:10:01pm

re: #679 Kryptik: Just Done With It.

Everything that the GOP fearmongered right out of the gate with Obama, Trump is promising openly as a matter of policy. Enemies list, revenge, crony appointments almost expressly chosen to undermine each of the departments they’re suggested for, and a promise to fuck everyone not like him good hard, and fast, because that’s exactly what America fucking wants out of him.

We’re not going to survive even 2 years of this. I’m fucking sure of it.

I’m trying to hope for the best but this as cynical as I’ve ever been.

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klys (maker of Silmarils) Nov 9, 2016 • 7:10:12pm

This is like a punch to the gut pic.twitter.com/khBVWpwG9d

— rabia chaudry (@rabiasquared) November 9, 2016

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JasonA Nov 9, 2016 • 7:11:34pm

re: #680 goddamnedfrank

This is the kind of hypocritical leftist dumbfuckery I’m talking about.

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That was a Florida ballot.

Florida.

Elections have consequences.

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BeachDem Nov 9, 2016 • 7:12:13pm

re: #677 Myron Falwell (no relation)

Connie and Sen. Sherrod Brown live in my hometown of Avon, and I’m happy for that.

As you should be. I love them both.

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Backwoods_Sleuth Nov 9, 2016 • 7:12:41pm

Me: How was school today?
Daughter: Kids were saying “goodbye” to the Latino kids..

— Darryn M. Briggs (@darryn_briggs) November 9, 2016

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Jesus… https://t.co/A4JiqPMtbl

— Joy Reid (@JoyAnnReid) November 10, 2016

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Weaselone Nov 9, 2016 • 7:13:04pm

re: #679 Kryptik: Just Done With It.

Everything that the GOP fearmongered right out of the gate with Obama, Trump is promising openly as a matter of policy. Enemies list, revenge, crony appointments almost expressly chosen to undermine each of the departments they’re suggested for, and a promise to fuck everyone not like him good hard, and fast, because that’s exactly what America fucking wants out of him.

We’re not going to survive even 2 years of this. I’m fucking sure of it.

It wasn’t a joke when people suggest Republicans are all about projection.

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EPR-radar Nov 9, 2016 • 7:13:55pm

re: #620 Jack Burton

For all the hand-wringing and whining going on about “Why do we have the Electoral College at all?”, well *this* kind of shit is exactly why we have it. Apparently no one gets it anymore.

And because no one does, they won’t do it. Don’t hold your breath on this.

The electoral college has never once functioned as a sanity check on election results. It’s been a strictly partisan affair since the beginning. So its only effect now, as ever, is to over-represent low-population states in the presidential election.

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Citizen K Nov 9, 2016 • 7:14:10pm

re: #682 klys (maker of Silmarils)

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America is truly more violently hateful, racist, xenophobic, and misogynistic than even the most cynical of us ever thought. We never really belonged here, because no one really wanted us here, it feels like. We are the infestation they’re ready to eradicate, rather than fellow Americans.

I hope to god my parents aren’t seeing this shit. They’re in the shit end of West Virginia and lived there for 30+ years, and well integrated and respected in their community. But I wonder how far that’ll go when up against the idea that America is only for ‘real Americans’, not those fake ones that aren’t white god loving conservative flag waving super-patriots.

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HappyWarrior Nov 9, 2016 • 7:14:24pm

re: #682 klys (maker of Silmarils)

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This sort of thing is the most horrifying of all. Yes, it’s bad when strangers shout racial slurs at other strangers but when it’s someone you know and in this case, someone this young woman considered a second mother and someone who was friends with her mother, it’s just really ugly. This is the sort of thing that lefties bitching about how HRC didn’t go to their whims on economics aren’t getting.

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HappyWarrior Nov 9, 2016 • 7:15:37pm

re: #685 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Hate to sound like a broken record but more shades of Brexit. I am glad my niece is going to grow up in one of the few areas that actually may be trending more Democratic going forward.

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klys (maker of Silmarils) Nov 9, 2016 • 7:15:53pm

re: #688 Kryptik: Just Done With It.

I don’t feel like I belong in this America, and I don’t know how far back I have to go to find when my family immigrated. I can’t imagine how it is for someone who is identifiably different.

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goddamnedfrank Nov 9, 2016 • 7:16:14pm

re: #683 JasonA

That was a Florida ballot.

Florida.

Elections have consequences.

Dude has the memory of a goldfish, has already returned to the truly important issues.

I wonder if Michael Jackson would be a Selena Gomez fan if he was alive!

— amaury (@acidhunk) November 10, 2016

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JasonA Nov 9, 2016 • 7:16:39pm

Cabinet candidates so far:
Homeland Security: Joe Arpaio
EPA: Villain from Captain Planet
Interior: Literally a forest fire

— Ian Boudreau (@iboudreau) November 10, 2016

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JasonA Nov 9, 2016 • 7:17:02pm

re: #692 goddamnedfrank

Dude has the memory of a goldfish, has already returned to the truly important issues.

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Fuck that guy in particular.

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Citizen K Nov 9, 2016 • 7:18:54pm

re: #689 HappyWarrior

This sort of thing is the most horrifying of all. Yes, it’s bad when strangers shout racial slurs at other strangers but when it’s someone you know and in this case, someone this young woman considered a second mother and someone who was friends with her mother, it’s just really ugly. This is the sort of thing that lefties bitching about how HRC didn’t go to their whims on economics aren’t getting.

I’m super non-sympathetic to those who complained that the left was too damn mean to those who didn’t agree with them and didn’t cater to their needs and wants. THere’s a difference between being dismissive of a political belief and insisting outright and openly that your very existence in this country is not only illegitimate but a bane on the entire country and that you need to get the fuck out now by force because fuck you and all who look like you. That is quite literally what we’re getting, not even 24 hours out, and from fucking children. From the mouth of babes.

We never actually got better as a nation. We never actually got less racist, less xenophobic, less misogynistic. We just got better at hiding it until it became in vogue again, and now that they’re free to let it fly, they’re doing so with fervor until all of ‘us’ are gone and ‘their’ country is pure again.

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Ziggy_TARDIS Nov 9, 2016 • 7:20:17pm

re: #695 Kryptik: Just Done With It.

We must not cower to this. There are many more of us now.

We must stand up and fight back for 2 and 4 more years.

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JasonA Nov 9, 2016 • 7:20:22pm

Trump is also a classic narcissist. He charms people, then he sets out to destroy them. It’s bait and switch. Here comes the rupture.

— Wall Street Examiner (@Lee_Adler) November 10, 2016

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Bend over, America.

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Backwoods_Sleuth Nov 9, 2016 • 7:20:24pm

Statement proposing total ban on immigration of Muslims to the U.S. disappears from Donald Trump’s campaign website. https://t.co/8ekUzwU63G pic.twitter.com/8CA1r8KWd1

— ABC News (@ABC) November 10, 2016

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HappyWarrior Nov 9, 2016 • 7:20:33pm

re: #695 Kryptik: Just Done With It.

I’m super non-sympathetic to those who complained that the left was too damn mean to those who didn’t agree with them and didn’t cater to their needs and wants. THere’s a difference between being dismissive of a political belief and insisting outright and openly that your very existence in this country is not only illegitimate but a bane on the entire country and that you need to get the fuck out now by force because fuck you and all who look like you. That is quite literally what we’re getting, not even 24 hours out, and from fucking children. From the mouth of babes.

We never actually got better as a nation. We never actually got less racist, less xenophobic, less misogynistic. We just got better at hiding it until it became in vogue again, and now that they’re free to let it fly, they’re doing so with fervor until all of ‘us’ are gone and ‘their’ country is pure again.

Yeah, I don’t want to hear it from those who cry about the left calling conservatives bigots when we’re reading about crap like this. This is deplorable. And the worst as you get at is it’s coming from kids.

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klys (maker of Silmarils) Nov 9, 2016 • 7:22:18pm

Obama never came for your guns. But Giuliani is coming for your legal weed, Ryan for your insurance, and Pence is coming for your gay son.

— Catherynne Votelente (@catvalente) November 9, 2016

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JasonA Nov 9, 2016 • 7:22:34pm

re: #698 Backwoods_Sleuth

Have we ever had a President-Elect sweep a promise away on day one?

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TedStriker Nov 9, 2016 • 7:23:24pm

re: #695 Kryptik: Just Done With It.

I’m super non-sympathetic to those who complained that the left was too damn mean to those who didn’t agree with them and didn’t cater to their needs and wants. THere’s a difference between being dismissive of a political belief and insisting outright and openly that your very existence in this country is not only illegitimate but a bane on the entire country and that you need to get the fuck out now by force because fuck you and all who look like you. That is quite literally what we’re getting, not even 24 hours out, and from fucking children. From the mouth of babes.

We never actually got better as a nation. We never actually got less racist, less xenophobic, less misogynistic. We just got better at hiding it until it became in vogue again, and now that they’re free to let it fly, they’re doing so with fervor until all of ‘us’ are gone and ‘their’ country is pure again.

For what it’s worth, this Southern white guy has your, C_L’s, Lidane’s, PLL’s, and anyone else who needs it’s back.

I’d venture to say there are quite a few Lizards who would do the same.

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JasonA Nov 9, 2016 • 7:25:30pm

ONE day later… and Asians are dealing with confident racism & violence from Trump supporters across the US pic.twitter.com/A8Wo0S17A4

— Nerdy Asians (@NerdyAsians) November 10, 2016

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Please deal with this, Mr. President-Elect. You have responsibilities now.

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Citizen K Nov 9, 2016 • 7:26:01pm

re: #696 Ziggy_TARDIS

We must not cower to this. There are many more of us now.

We must stand up and fight back for 2 and 4 more years.

The problem is that there are far, far, far more many of them than we thought.

I’m honest to god not sure this is a battle we can win anymore. And that fucking terrifies the fuck out of me.

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makeitstop Nov 9, 2016 • 7:28:26pm

What was I saying earlier about walking back the Big Agenda?

Donald Trump statement on banning Muslims from US has disappeared from his website

Donald Trump’s team has removed the statement on his website to ban all Muslims from the US.

On the same night that millions of votes were pouring in for the real estate mogul turned politician, the page linking to his December statement regarding a temporary and complete Muslim has been removed.

The page now redirects to his a page encouraging voters to donate to his campaign.

Classic bait and switch. How many times will he be able to go to this particular well? The Iran deal is already off the table, from reports I saw today.

That’s two. How many strikes is he going to get?

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scottslemmons Nov 9, 2016 • 7:30:10pm

re: #705 makeitstop

What was I saying earlier about walking back the Big Agenda?

Donald Trump statement on banning Muslims from US has disappeared from his website

Classic bait and switch. How many times will he be able to go to this particular well? The Iran deal is already off the table, from reports I saw today.

That’s two. How many strikes is he going to get?

I suspect he’ll get as many strikes as he wants. All his followers want is an excuse to scream at and periodically shoot at brown people. Trump will nod and wink at that, and he’ll have their undying devotion.

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TedStriker Nov 9, 2016 • 7:30:14pm

re: #705 makeitstop

What was I saying earlier about walking back the Big Agenda?

Donald Trump statement on banning Muslims from US has disappeared from his website

Classic bait and switch. How many times will he be able to go to this particular well? The Iran deal is already off the table, from reports I saw today.

That’s two. How many strikes is he going to get?

I know it’s a long shot, but what if this was all kayfabe?

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JasonA Nov 9, 2016 • 7:30:32pm

re: #705 makeitstop

What was I saying earlier about walking back the Big Agenda?

Donald Trump statement on banning Muslims from US has disappeared from his website

Classic bait and switch. How many times will he be able to go to this particular well? The Iran deal is already off the table, from reports I saw today.

That’s two. How many strikes is he going to get?

Damn. Mofo works fast.

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The Vicious Babushka Nov 9, 2016 • 7:31:50pm

re: #657 Ziggy_TARDIS

I will attend the Dallas Protest tomorrow.

We need to behave like it is the 1960’s all over again.

You mean when Richard Nixon was elected because everyone was high as fuck?

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Eclectic Cyborg Nov 9, 2016 • 7:33:29pm

re: #668 HappyWarrior

Christie I heard as well. I’m sure Carson will too.

Yeah I think Carson is a lock for surgeon general.

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Barefoot Grin Nov 9, 2016 • 7:34:27pm

re: #618 Backwoods_Sleuth

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And fuck fucking Jeff Zucker that fucking shit fucking head.

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Decatur Deb Nov 9, 2016 • 7:36:00pm

re: #709 The Vicious Babushka

You mean when Richard Nixon was elected because everyone was high as fuck?

The only president to leave office earlier than he liked, because of protests, was LBJ. That was because the SOB had some degree of conscience and care for the country. Don’t expect the same from Trump.

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Lidane Nov 9, 2016 • 7:38:01pm

I have reached the Anger stage tonight. I don’t expect that I’ll ever hit Bargaining or Acceptance. I think I’ll stay right here.

All those protests in the street tonight? Mere theater. I wonder how many of these protesters even voted, or how many wasted their votes on Jill Stein or Gary Johnson. I’m not impressed by the ability to quickly make a sign and go out in the streets. That’s not how politics works. It takes real advocacy and grunt work, not just yelling slogans.

And speaking of not impressed, fuck Bernie and fuck Elizabeth Warren, both pledging to find common ground and work with Trump. Work with him? On what? He and his supporters just told women, POC, Muslims, immigrants, and LGBT people that our lives, our hopes, and our freedoms don’t matter. I don’t feel all that inclined to compromise or work with Trump and the Republicans. Fuck them all sideways, along with the holier than thou liberals who put their “principles” above the lives of their fellow Americans.

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Charles Johnson Nov 9, 2016 • 7:39:07pm

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BeachDem Nov 9, 2016 • 7:42:13pm

re: #713 Lidane

If you haven’t read it, I recommend the Connie Schultz piece I posted earlier—No, let’s not congratulate him.

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Eventual Carrion Nov 9, 2016 • 8:13:42pm

re: #624 Don’t Blame Me, I Voted for Kodos

Not really “barganing” here. I could see the sexual assault one being no-billed, especially given the amount of time that has passed, but the Trump U case isn’t going away, especially when you consider the racially-charged way that Trump went after the presiding judge Gonzalo Curielin that case. Adding the fact that there are federal racketeering charges involved on it, where Curielin has repeatedly denied motions to reschedule or dismiss the case - it is a very safe bet that this one will happen.

Hello pres Pence

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Odie Hugh Manatee Nov 9, 2016 • 9:59:19pm

re: #709 The Vicious Babushka

You mean when Richard Nixon was elected because everyone was high as fuck?

That and those who were high as fuck have become what they feared, Trump supporters. I came aware in the late 60’s when my parents divorced and my Mom had no choice but to move to a very poor neighborhood (Spokane, WA - old stomping grounds). It was quite the culture shock for kids who had been living in ‘the good part of town’ but it opened up a world of experiences to me that I doubt that I would have had if they had remained married. Unfortunately, too many of the people I grew up and partied with in the late 60’s, 70’s and 80’s are now Republicans. Some of them have had success in life and others muddled around in the middle or outright failed in life. Most of them blame everyone else for their shortcomings and failures. I have lost touch with many of them because we can’t talk without their ‘Conservative Tourettes’ ruining the conversation.

One of my wife’s friends liked parties, drugs and foursomes back in the day… now she’s a good conservative Christian grandmother who loves to perform in Civil War re-enactments, of course on the side of the south.

Her and her husband voted Trump. They met in one of the foursomes…lol!

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Jebediah, RBG Nov 10, 2016 • 7:04:46am

re: #614 klys (maker of Silmarils)

I have worn them almost exclusively for decades. I guess the last pair will be my last pair.

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