Video: An Amazing Solo Acoustic Guitar Performance by 16-Year Old Marcin Patrzalek: “Asturias” (Isaac Albeniz)

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“Asturias” composed by Isaac Albeniz rearranged and performed by 16yr old Marcin Patrzalek. It’s a single from Marcin’s debut album‚ ‘HUSH.’

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The Vicious Babushka  Nov 11, 2016 • 11:13:07am
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Stanley Sea  Nov 11, 2016 • 11:29:18am

UGH can’t take it

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BeachDem  Nov 11, 2016 • 11:29:49am

OK—this is a bowl of swill wrapped in an enema bag:

I Am a Swing-State #NeverTrumper Who Couldn’t Vote for Hillary. I Am Not Sorry

But some of the comments are worth wading through her sanctimonious bullshit, like:

You couldn’t “warm” to a candidate, so you helped one that “horrifies” and “sickens” you? That’s like saying you need to trim your toenails but don’t like clippers so you cut your feet off with a chainsaw.

You didn’t use a condom and now we’re all knocked up with the Rosemary’s baby of Presidents.

slate.com

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 11, 2016 • 11:31:48am

re: #3 Stanley Sea

No Giuliani? Did he piss Trump off or something?

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Citizen K  Nov 11, 2016 • 11:31:51am

re: #4 BeachDem

OK—this is a bowl of swill wrapped in an enema bag:

I Am a Swing-State #NeverTrumper Who Couldn’t Vote for Hillary. I Am Not Sorry

But some of the comments are worth wading through her sanctimonious bullshit, like:

You couldn’t “warm” to a candidate, so you helped one that “horrifies” and “sickens” you? That’s like saying you need to trim your toenails but don’t like clippers so you cut your feet off with a chainsaw.

You didn’t use a condom and now we’re all knocked up with the Rosemary’s baby of Presidents.

slate.com

Tire rims and anthrax. Tire rims and fucking anthrax.

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EPR-radar  Nov 11, 2016 • 11:32:21am

re: #3 Stanley Sea

Mos Eisley cantina, move over. This is the true “you will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy.”

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lawhawk  Nov 11, 2016 • 11:33:16am

In honor of Robert Vaughn. RIP:

The Magnificent Seven Theme • Elmer Bernstein

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 11, 2016 • 11:35:24am

I am already wondering what the SOTU speech will be like.

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Timothy Watson  Nov 11, 2016 • 11:36:35am

re: #9 Eclectic Cyborg

I am already wondering what the SOTU speech will be like.

There is not enough rum in the world for me to watch that.

And I’m a teetotaler.

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nines09  Nov 11, 2016 • 11:37:51am

re: #3 Stanley Sea

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Tigger2  Nov 11, 2016 • 11:40:05am

re: #8 lawhawk

In honor of Robert Vaughn. RIP:

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I sat through that move from the first showing until the last showing of the day at the theater when I saw it.

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EPR-radar  Nov 11, 2016 • 11:40:27am

re: #9 Eclectic Cyborg

I am already wondering what the SOTU speech will be like.

The Monty Python spam skit, after a search and replace to change ‘spam’ to ‘shit’.

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lawhawk  Nov 11, 2016 • 11:41:14am

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Myron Falwell (no relation)  Nov 11, 2016 • 11:42:26am

re: #9 Eclectic Cyborg

I am already wondering what the SOTU speech will be like.

If it’s anything like his disastrous RNC speech, the phrase “dumpster fire” may need to be retired for good.

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makeitstop  Nov 11, 2016 • 11:43:53am

re: #15 Myron Falwell (no relation)

If it’s anything like his disastrous RNC speech, the phrase “dumpster fire” may need to be retired for good.

Or as GDFrank so famously said - we’ll have to start calling actual dumpster fires ‘Trump speeches.’

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Myron Falwell (no relation)  Nov 11, 2016 • 11:43:53am

re: #10 Timothy Watson

There is not enough rum in the world for me to watch that.

And I’m a teetotaler.

I might have to drink a beer for the first time. And I turn 35 next month.

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Franklin  Nov 11, 2016 • 11:43:55am
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gocart mozart  Nov 11, 2016 • 11:44:13am
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Charles Johnson  Nov 11, 2016 • 11:44:22am
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Belafon  Nov 11, 2016 • 11:44:56am

re: #18 Franklin

Remember “blind trust”?

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I Would Prefer Not To  Nov 11, 2016 • 11:44:57am

re: #9 Eclectic Cyborg

I am already wondering what the SOTU speech will be like.

I’ll give someone ten bucks to yell “you lie” in the middle of the speech.

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lawhawk  Nov 11, 2016 • 11:46:47am

re: #22 I Would Prefer Not To

I’ll give someone ten bucks to yell “you lie” in the middle of the speech.

The state of the nation is great. And it’s great because I was elected.

Just you watch. It’s going to be a shitshow of lies and obfuscations that will require pretzel logic to follow.

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Franklin  Nov 11, 2016 • 11:47:01am

re: #21 Belafon

Remember “blind trust”?

Maybe they meant:

Blind. Trust?

Lionel Hutz as Press Sec:

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Myron Falwell (no relation)  Nov 11, 2016 • 11:47:11am

Not just sobering… depressing AF

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Charles Johnson  Nov 11, 2016 • 11:47:56am
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Myron Falwell (no relation)  Nov 11, 2016 • 11:49:42am

re: #24 Franklin

Maybe they meant:

Blind. Trust?

Lionel Hutz as Press Sec:

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“Let’s see… you’re under the charge of… MURDER ONE!

Wow! Even if I lose I’ll be famous!”

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 11, 2016 • 11:50:06am

re: #26 Charles Johnson

He’s going to hand out so many grants and gov’t contracts to his companies.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 11, 2016 • 11:51:06am

re: #27 Myron Falwell (no relation)

I still miss Phil Hartman.

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Charles Johnson  Nov 11, 2016 • 11:52:26am
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Charles Johnson  Nov 11, 2016 • 11:53:28am

“When they go low, we go high” sounds like a great slogan, and it made a lot of people feel good.

But guess what? The ones who went low WON the election.

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Tigger2  Nov 11, 2016 • 11:54:42am
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Timothy Watson  Nov 11, 2016 • 11:54:49am

re: #29 Eclectic Cyborg

I still miss Phil Hartman.

Me too.

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Slap  Nov 11, 2016 • 11:55:41am

Well, here we are. I’m still a bit at a loss for words.

Among many others, this one bubbled up in my musical consciousness lately. Shame that some things don’t seem to change much….

Steppenwolf - Monster

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nines09  Nov 11, 2016 • 11:56:24am

re: #31 Charles Johnson

Lost was the fact it was streetfight. The moral high ground means nothing when it’s a knife fight.

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Myron Falwell (no relation)  Nov 11, 2016 • 11:56:27am

re: #29 Eclectic Cyborg

I still miss Phil Hartman.

It’s never been the same without him. 😞

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Belafon  Nov 11, 2016 • 11:57:03am

re: #31 Charles Johnson

“When they go low, we go high” sounds like a great slogan, and it made a lot of people feel good.

But guess what? The ones who went low WON the election.

As Plouffe said, it’s a lot about personality, sadly. We thought we could win with the competent candidate.

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jeffreyw  Nov 11, 2016 • 11:57:09am

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darthstar  Nov 11, 2016 • 11:57:23am

re: #9 Eclectic Cyborg

I am already wondering what the SOTU speech will be like.

It’ll be the best. Especially if any Republicans get under his skin in the intervening year. He’ll call them out by name like a Mafia don taking his men to the woodshed in front of each other…And you, Louie…what the fuck were you thinking?

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wrenchwench  Nov 11, 2016 • 11:58:08am

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When they go low-carb, we go high!

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austin_blue  Nov 11, 2016 • 11:58:55am

re: #39 darthstar

It’ll be the best. Especially if any Republicans get under his skin in the intervening year. He’ll call them out by name like a Mafia don taking his men to the woodshed in front of each other…And you, Louie…what the fuck were you thinking?

No SOTU until 2018. The Inaugural Speech replaces it the first year.

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darthstar  Nov 11, 2016 • 11:59:42am

re: #41 austin_blue

No SOTU until 2018. The Inaugural Speech replaces it the first year.

Yep…hence intervening year. Inaugural speech will be bad enough.

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lawhawk  Nov 11, 2016 • 12:00:00pm

re: #26 Charles Johnson

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Teapot Dome meets Watergate. And a GOP pliant Congress that wont lift a finger to police Trump Admin as it runs roughshod over civil rights, separation of powers, etc.

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Skip Intro  Nov 11, 2016 • 12:00:10pm

re: #23 lawhawk

The state of the nation is great. And it’s great because I was elected.

Just you watch. It’s going to be a shitshow of lies and obfuscations that will require pretzel logic to follow.

Plus there will be a 30 minute fashion show for Ivanka to present her new Spring line.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 11, 2016 • 12:01:56pm
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Franklin  Nov 11, 2016 • 12:03:01pm
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STEP 1: DON’T!!
STEP 2: NOPE
STEP 3: GO TO STEP 1

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Charles Johnson  Nov 11, 2016 • 12:03:10pm
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Timothy Watson  Nov 11, 2016 • 12:03:31pm

re: #41 austin_blue

No SOTU until 2018. The Inaugural Speech replaces it the first year.

Obama gave an unofficial one in 2009.
en.wikipedia.org

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scottslemmons  Nov 11, 2016 • 12:06:39pm

re: #43 lawhawk

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Teapot Dome meets Watergate. And a GOP pliant Congress that wont lift a finger to police Trump Admin as it runs roughshod over civil rights, separation of powers, etc.

“Mr. Trump, where’s the Statue of Liberty?”

“Do you know how much money you can get selling copper?”

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Nov 11, 2016 • 12:08:33pm
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Skip Intro  Nov 11, 2016 • 12:08:50pm

Does anybody want to make a guess about how many more years the Congress keeps investigating Hillary Clinton?

I can’t give a date, but it won’t be before the GOP no longer controls Congress.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Nov 11, 2016 • 12:09:05pm

(Really bad side stitch. The run is currently just not happening. I’m going to try again tomorrow.)

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Skip Intro  Nov 11, 2016 • 12:09:55pm

re: #49 scottslemmons

“Mr. Trump, where’s the Statue of Liberty?”

“Do you know how much money you can get selling copper?”

How much do you think Trump could get Putin to pay for Yellowstone and Yosemite?

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lawhawk  Nov 11, 2016 • 12:10:15pm

re: #51 Skip Intro

Does anybody want to make a guess about how many more years the Congress keeps investigating Hillary Clinton?

I can’t give a date, but it won’t be before the GOP no longer controls Congress.

They’ll keep investigating because it will be easy news since they can’t blame Democrats for blocking legislation the way the GOP has done for the past 6 years. Investigations also divert attention away from Trump failures, and their own failures to stop Trump as he decimates the government safety net with a wink/nod from the same GOPers.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Nov 11, 2016 • 12:10:39pm
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lawhawk  Nov 11, 2016 • 12:10:58pm

re: #53 Skip Intro

Trump will balance the budget by selling Alaska back to the Russians. Good deal. Too cold. Russians like cold. Make them an offer they wont refuse.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Nov 11, 2016 • 12:12:12pm
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Belafon  Nov 11, 2016 • 12:12:44pm

re: #56 lawhawk

Trump will balance the budget by selling Alaska back to the Russians. Good deal. Too cold. Russians like cold. Make them an offer they wont refuse.

“Throw in Hawaii, and you’ve got a deal.”

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scottslemmons  Nov 11, 2016 • 12:14:34pm

Ahh, deleted. :/

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 11, 2016 • 12:15:30pm

re: #54 lawhawk

They’ll keep investigating because it will be easy news since they can’t blame Democrats for blocking legislation the way the GOP has done for the past 6 years. Investigations also divert attention away from Trump failures, and their own failures to stop Trump as he decimates the government safety net with a wink/nod from the same GOPers.

There will be some who demand it, but the rapid turn from ‘Benghazi was all Obama’s fault!’ to ‘Benghazi was all Clinton’s fault!’ highlights the entirely political nature of it. Tarring the reputation of someone you’re running against is effective politics. Pursuing witch hunts against the person you’ve defeated is - politically - a waste of time.

That said, there are some who will never be satisfied, and who see winning as a way to settle scores. They’re the ones whose voices you hear. They’re not necessarily the ones in control of events.

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Belafon  Nov 11, 2016 • 12:16:32pm

re: #60 Blind Frog Belly White

There will be some who demand it, but the rapid turn from ‘Benghazi was all Obama’s fault!’ to ‘Benghazi was all Clinton’s fault!’ highlights the entirely political nature of it. Tarring the reputation of someone you’re running against is effective politics. Pursuing witch hunts against the person you’ve defeated is - politically - a waste of time.

That said, there are some who will never be satisfied, and who see winning as a way to settle scores. They’re the ones whose voices you hear. They’re not necessarily the ones in control of events.

Wouldn’t be surprised if Chuck Schumer and Tammy Duckworth get added to a list.

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Barefoot Grin  Nov 11, 2016 • 12:16:35pm

re: #9 Eclectic Cyborg

I am already wondering what the SOTU speech will be like.

In my dream world it would be:

Trump statement, Dem chorus “you lie”; Trump statement, Dem chorus “you lie”; Trump statement, Dem chorus “you lie”; Trump statement, Dem chorus “you lie”; Trump statement, Dem chorus “you lie”; Trump statement, Dem chorus “you lie”….

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Single-handed sailor  Nov 11, 2016 • 12:16:37pm

Heh, the headline over at Crooks and Liars sums up my thoughts from yesterday on who should be DNC Chairman.

We Love Keith Ellison Too Much To Wish Him For DNC Chair
It’s a thankless, soul-sucking, policy-free job. Give it to Dean.
By Frances Langum

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freetoken  Nov 11, 2016 • 12:18:10pm

As expected, if one looks at the various stories on the battle for new DNC chair and that mentions Ellison the comments sections are overflowing with the usual Muslim bashing.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 11, 2016 • 12:19:24pm

I hope that the anger and fear driving the protests we’ve seen the last few days will give way to organized, resolute defiance.

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JasonA  Nov 11, 2016 • 12:19:56pm

re: #64 Single-handed sailor

Heh, the headline over at Crooks and Liars sums up my thoughts from yesterday on who should be DNC Chairman.

Honestly, it’s not a job that requires a friggin’ superstar.

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Citizen K  Nov 11, 2016 • 12:21:38pm

re: #65 freetoken

As expected, if one looks at the various stories on the battle for new DNC chair and that mentions Ellison the comments sections are overflowing with the usual Muslim bashing.

He’s black AND Muslim. That’s like doubleplusunamerican!

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Belafon  Nov 11, 2016 • 12:22:28pm

re: #67 JasonA

Honestly, it’s not a job that requires a friggin’ superstar.

It requires someone dedicated, willing to travel and shake hands, and be able to talk people into doing things. They have to be the ultimate cat herder.

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freetoken  Nov 11, 2016 • 12:22:43pm

re: #68 Kryptik in Mourning

He’s black AND Muslim. That’s like doubleplusunamerican!

Yup.

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Decatur Deb  Nov 11, 2016 • 12:23:33pm

The President’s Gallup approval rating reached 58% today.

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Myron Falwell (no relation)  Nov 11, 2016 • 12:24:15pm

re: #61 The Vicious Babushka

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And many Branch Trumpidians are using that “first time since 1928” as a good thing.

Although technically it isn’t correct: W had Cheney split the Senate tie in early 2001, and he had both the house and Senate in 2005-2006.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 11, 2016 • 12:25:05pm
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Skip Intro  Nov 11, 2016 • 12:25:54pm

re: #65 freetoken

As expected, if one looks at the various stories on the battle for new DNC chair and that mentions Ellison the comments sections are overflowing with the usual Muslim bashing.

Ellison would be a horrible choice for just that reason. Black and Muslim in a country that just elected Trump and a GOP Congress? Maybe in a century or so, if we’re still here.

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EPR-radar  Nov 11, 2016 • 12:25:57pm

re: #66 Blind Frog Belly White

I hope that the anger and fear driving the protests we’ve seen the last few days will give way to organized, resolute defiance.

Another thing I’d like to see is the Democratic party take more aggressive positions on economic issues. The status quo is a plutocracy combined with a chronic over-supply of labor and attrition of union power/influence. Small tweaks to this aren’t going to get it done, politically.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 11, 2016 • 12:27:20pm
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Myron Falwell (no relation)  Nov 11, 2016 • 12:27:38pm

re: #63 Barefoot Grin

In my dream world it would be:

Trump statement, Dem chorus “you lie”; Trump statement, Dem chorus “you lie”; Trump statement, Dem chorus “you lie”; Trump statement, Dem chorus “you lie”; Trump statement, Dem chorus “you lie”; Trump statement, Dem chorus “you lie”….

I would just as soon have deafening boos and openly turning their backs on him in unison.

But the RWNJs deified Joe Wilson with his “YOU LIE!”

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Nov 11, 2016 • 12:27:49pm
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Skip Intro  Nov 11, 2016 • 12:29:45pm

re: #76 Backwoods_Sleuth

Dammit, that could work. GOP Senators really want to get rid of Cruz and the base would love him.

Can this fucking year get any worse? Hell yes it can.

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TedStriker  Nov 11, 2016 • 12:30:52pm

re: #76 Backwoods_Sleuth

Of course he did…fucking spineless putz.

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gocart mozart  Nov 11, 2016 • 12:31:36pm
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Decatur Deb  Nov 11, 2016 • 12:33:47pm

re: #78 klys (maker of Silmarils)

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Joe Biden is a lawyer leaving 47 years of (mostly) government service with an estimated net worth of $500,000.

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JasonA  Nov 11, 2016 • 12:35:56pm
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TedStriker  Nov 11, 2016 • 12:36:32pm

re: #74 Skip Intro

Ellison would be a horrible choice for just that reason. Black and Muslim in a country that just elected Trump and a GOP Congress? Maybe in a century or so, if we’re still here.

You would think that Democrats would realize that having a sitting member of Congress as DNC chair helped, in part, to put us and the country in the position we are in right now.

Guess not…

SMDH

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 11, 2016 • 12:37:40pm
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Belafon  Nov 11, 2016 • 12:37:51pm

re: #75 EPR-radar

Another thing I’d like to see is the Democratic party take more aggressive positions on economic issues. The status quo is a plutocracy combined with a chronic over-supply of labor and attrition of union power/influence. Small tweaks to this aren’t going to get it done, politically.

The last couple of decades have seen Democrats become the party of social issues, mainly minorities and women’s rights (you know, 60+% of the country). They need to, but can they keep a message that large simple and clean? Can the average person parse that we need to improve the economic lives of everyone together, or it won’t work, and that includes ending discrimination and providing proper women’s health access?

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Nov 11, 2016 • 12:38:41pm

re: #82 Decatur Deb

Really this is about my love affair with the fictional take on the relationship between Joe and the Obamas, especially where Joe is in his Uncle Joe persona.

I’m taking what I can get right now.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Nov 11, 2016 • 12:39:08pm
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lawhawk  Nov 11, 2016 • 12:39:17pm

re: #83 JasonA

The Democrats didn’t turn out when the Supreme Court was on the line. Why would they when the Constitution itself is on the line?

These people. /pissed off like Superfly TNT. I’m the Mfin guns of the Navarone.

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baileylamb  Nov 11, 2016 • 12:39:46pm

re: #26 Charles Johnson

This is like bizarro world. Something about thus feels so wring. I mean even Bush got some push back in the media. Something is rotten.

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Decatur Deb  Nov 11, 2016 • 12:40:38pm

re: #87 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Really this is about my love affair with the fictional take on the relationship between Joe and the Obamas, especially where Joe is in his Uncle Joe persona.

I’m taking what I can get right now.

Ever since BFD, I’ve come to believe it’s real.

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Belafon  Nov 11, 2016 • 12:40:40pm

re: #90 baileylamb

This is like bizarro world. Something about thus feels so wring. I mean even Bush got some push back in the media. Something is rotten.

A black man became president.

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Tigger2  Nov 11, 2016 • 12:41:04pm

re: #90 baileylamb

This is like bizarro world. Something about thus feels so wring. I mean even Bush got some push back in the media. Something is rotten.

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Citizen K  Nov 11, 2016 • 12:41:24pm

re: #87 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Really this is about my love affair with the fictional take on the relationship between Joe and the Obamas, especially where Joe is in his Uncle Joe persona.

I’m taking what I can get right now.

Biden: It’d only be one thing, and they could…

Obama: Joe, no.

Biden: But it won’t even leave anything permanen-

Obama: Joe, we are not paying the housekeepers to shortsheet the beds on the way out.

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jeffreyw  Nov 11, 2016 • 12:41:37pm

re: #40 wrenchwench

When they go low-carb, we go high!

I like my apple a day wearing a coat!

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 11, 2016 • 12:42:34pm

Oh, my god. He’s like the President in “House of Cards”

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lawhawk  Nov 11, 2016 • 12:44:02pm

re: #96 Blind Frog Belly White

So Putin it is? /I wish it were sarcasm, but Russia’s hands are all over this election.

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Skip Intro  Nov 11, 2016 • 12:46:47pm

re: #83 JasonA

And in 2 years the Senate is in danger of turning deep red. I wonder if those of us still around will even recognize this country in 4 years?

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JasonA  Nov 11, 2016 • 12:48:00pm
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baileylamb  Nov 11, 2016 • 12:49:35pm

re: #86 Belafon

Wait, isnt this the thinking that brought us the 3rd way and Bill Clinton in the first place. Also, it’s nice to see on day 3 that you guys are ready to tell us “minorities” to pipe down, wait our turn, and be quit. This is how it spreads.

Stand for nothing, fall for anything.

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Skip Intro  Nov 11, 2016 • 12:49:44pm

re: #99 JasonA

Sure they will. Sorry, but the War on Christmas is about to begin again so they’ll be all tied up for a while.

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JasonA  Nov 11, 2016 • 12:50:30pm

[Can’t find this tweet right now: twitter.com ]

I don’t even want to look at America’s page.

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Khal Wimpo (no longer entitled to his own facts)  Nov 11, 2016 • 12:50:51pm

re: #97 lawhawk

So Putin it is? /I wish it were sarcasm, but Russia’s hands are all over this election.

Yeah, and the PutinTrollArmy are keeping the fires of divisiveness stoked on social media. The more we are at each other’s throats, the better it is for Putin.

Meanwhile, my friends in Ukraine are preparing for the worst in February. As are my friends in Lithuania and Estonia.

The Poles do NOT wanna go back under the iron Soviet fist. They will resist, although I wonder if Trump is capable of doing a “great deal, yuuuge deal, will be yuuuge for us” with Putin over Poland, i.e. theguardian.com

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 11, 2016 • 12:52:07pm
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Sherlock Hound  Nov 11, 2016 • 12:53:43pm

re: #55 klys (maker of Silmarils)

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I…can’t even. I KNOW disabled people who voted for Trump.

I’m all alone, too. I don’t want to hear about “standing with you” as I know a lot of those folks will just cover their own asses and say, “I just did as I was told!”

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Belafon  Nov 11, 2016 • 12:54:16pm

re: #100 baileylamb

Wait, isnt this the thinking that brought us the 3rd way and Bill Clinton in the first place. Also, it’s nice to see on day 3 that you guys are ready to tell us “minorities” to pipe down, wait our turn, and be quit. This is how it spreads.

Stand for nothing, fall for anything.

Well, that’s not the direction I was going in. I think they have to keep the social issues, and figure out how to include the economic ones.

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Sherlock Hound  Nov 11, 2016 • 12:54:46pm

re: #24 Franklin

Maybe they meant:

Blind. Trust?

Lionel Hutz as Press Sec:

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“Trust is blind. Right?”

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baileylamb  Nov 11, 2016 • 12:58:34pm

re: #103 Khal Wimpo (no longer entitled to his own facts)

Yeah, and the PutinTrollArmy are keeping the fires of divisiveness stoked on social media. The more we are at each other’s throats, the better it is for Putin.

Meanwhile, my friends in Ukraine are preparing for the worst in February. As are my friends in Lithuania and Estonia.

The Poles do NOT wanna go back under the iron Soviet fist. They will resist, although I wonder if Trump is capable of doing a “great deal, yuuuge deal, will be yuuuge for us” with Putin over Poland, i.e. theguardian.com

re: #103 Khal Wimpo (no longer entitled to his own facts)

Isn’t insanity doing the same thing an expecting a different result. What sense does I make to retake those areas, if they will eventually over extend your resouces?

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 11, 2016 • 12:58:41pm

Cripes, the way this Transition Team sounds, running against corruption in 2018 makes a lot of sense.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 11, 2016 • 12:59:43pm
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Skip Intro  Nov 11, 2016 • 1:00:58pm

re: #110 Backwoods_Sleuth

Another stupid question from the media.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 11, 2016 • 1:00:59pm

No, you jackass, it’s not hard at all…those jobs are NOT COMING BACK!

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 11, 2016 • 1:01:43pm

re: #110 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Of course. Say anything to make the sale. Once the ink is on the paper, do what you were going to do anyway.

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Franklin  Nov 11, 2016 • 1:02:11pm

Ahhh, these are a lovely diversion:

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EPR-radar  Nov 11, 2016 • 1:02:13pm

re: #86 Belafon

The last couple of decades have seen Democrats become the party of social issues, mainly minorities and women’s rights (you know, 60+% of the country). They need to, but can they keep a message that large simple and clean? Can the average person parse that we need to improve the economic lives of everyone together, or it won’t work, and that includes ending discrimination and providing proper women’s health access?

The Democrats have to find a way to deal effectively with both the social/identity issues and with economic issues. Sanders’ fatal flaw was concentrating on only the economic issues, and I think a reasonable case can be made that Clinton lost in part because of perceived weakness on economic issues.

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baileylamb  Nov 11, 2016 • 1:02:25pm

re: #106 Belafon

Offense wins games, dedense wins championships. Trump didn’t talk about economics or actual plans. Trump was a feeling, and expectation. Everything they claimed Obama was.
It’s not like Democrats ignored the economic argument…People didn’t like the messenger.

The media threw everything at Obama when he ran in 2008, but people like the messanger and ignored the media. The recipe for success is their, telling certain groups to pipe down, or becoming more like fictional republicans isn’t it.

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JasonA  Nov 11, 2016 • 1:02:43pm

So is this what the renegotiation part feels like?

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Skip Intro  Nov 11, 2016 • 1:03:19pm

re: #110 Backwoods_Sleuth

Or maybe he isn’t.

“Either Obamacare will be amended, or repealed and replaced,” Mr. Trump said.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Nov 11, 2016 • 1:04:08pm

re: #114 Franklin

I confess, I would have preferred Biden to Clinton.

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baileylamb  Nov 11, 2016 • 1:04:28pm

re: #99 JasonA

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People don’t want to talk about that story, because, it leads to more questions than answers.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 11, 2016 • 1:04:36pm

re: #117 JasonA

So is this what the renegotiation part feels like?

Leave off ‘-otiation’, and you’ve got it.
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makeitstop  Nov 11, 2016 • 1:05:58pm

Here’s a nice, sunny daydream for y’all…a thought I just had.

When Trump met with Obama yesterday, the president sat down and quietly, calmly told Trump that the US did a little hacking of its own, and they’ve got him dead to rights for violation of just about every espionage law on the books. Ties to Putin. Russian Mob. Violation of banking regulations. Tax evasion. They’ve even got a copy of that tape from when Trump went to Russia.

And unless Trump steered his administration straight down the center, every bit of it would be leaked to every media outlet in the world. And just to prove he wasn’t bluffing, Obama then drew the blinds and played the Russian tape.

It would explain that stunned look on Trump’s face as he sat with Obama yesterday.

Ah, daydreams. So pleasant sometimes.

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Skip Intro  Nov 11, 2016 • 1:06:02pm

re: #119 Ziggy_TARDIS

I confess, I would have preferred Biden to Clinton.

That times 1000.

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EPR-radar  Nov 11, 2016 • 1:07:10pm

re: #114 Franklin

Ahhh, these are a lovely diversion:

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Joe: We need to find a loving forever home for the US nukes. Germany? Japan?

Barack: …

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Nov 11, 2016 • 1:07:27pm

re: #119 Ziggy_TARDIS

I confess, I would have preferred Biden to Clinton.

That’s nice?

Biden didn’t want to run. That’s what matters. You deal with the reality you have, not the one you wished for.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 11, 2016 • 1:08:02pm

and the week here in the Backwoods keeps going down the toilet.

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Sherlock Hound  Nov 11, 2016 • 1:08:46pm

re: #126 Backwoods_Sleuth

{{{BWS}}}

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 11, 2016 • 1:09:31pm

re: #126 Backwoods_Sleuth

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makeitstop  Nov 11, 2016 • 1:09:46pm

re: #126 Backwoods_Sleuth

and the week here in the Backwoods keeps going down the toilet.

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Ugh. So sorry to hear.

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allegro  Nov 11, 2016 • 1:09:52pm

re: #126 Backwoods_Sleuth

{{{BWS}}} I’m so sorry.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 11, 2016 • 1:10:11pm

re: #128 Eclectic Cyborg

yes. it does.

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thedopefishlives  Nov 11, 2016 • 1:10:17pm

re: #126 Backwoods_Sleuth

and the week here in the Backwoods keeps going down the toilet.

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{{{BWS}}}

Evening Lizardim.

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EPR-radar  Nov 11, 2016 • 1:10:24pm

re: #122 makeitstop

I just had to click the upding button multiple times, even thought it only registers once. Such a wonderful fantasy.

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Stanley Sea  Nov 11, 2016 • 1:10:50pm

re: #126 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 11, 2016 • 1:11:32pm

So what does Obama do after leaving the White House? Go back to academics maybe?

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BeachDem  Nov 11, 2016 • 1:13:17pm

re: #76 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Just when I thought I could keep food down.

The only encouraging thought I have is that Trump hates Lindsey Graham, so I doubt he’ll listen to anything he has to say. (Besides, our other former UGH senator, the despicable Jim DeMint is now at Heritage, and is doing the main advising on who should be on the court—I’m sure Jim’s recommendations will be equally repulsive.)

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Decatur Deb  Nov 11, 2016 • 1:13:36pm

re: #135 Eclectic Cyborg

So what does Obama do after leaving the White House? Go back to academics maybe?

Many things, including running an advocacy organization.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Nov 11, 2016 • 1:14:25pm

re: #126 Backwoods_Sleuth

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JasonA  Nov 11, 2016 • 1:15:01pm
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freetoken  Nov 11, 2016 • 1:17:13pm

re: #135 Eclectic Cyborg

So what does Obama do after leaving the White House? Go back to academics maybe?

Supposedly, if one believes the columns in the newspapers, the original plan was for him to stay in DC until his youngest daughter is out of school. In the meantime he was going to work with Hillary in the transition.

Well, that latter bit is out the window now.

He can go on the speech-circuit and command a dear price.

But maybe he just wants to retire. To sit back or go out and play basketball. GWB took up painting. Maybe Obama will pick up ice-skating as a hobby. Who knows.

I will be pleased if he chooses to write about his views post-office. The 21st century Democratic party desperate needs an ideological masterpiece that can also inspire. Something not too long, but with enough depth to challenge the reader.

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Belafon  Nov 11, 2016 • 1:17:16pm

re: #116 baileylamb

Agree, except I don’t see where I am “telling certain groups to pipe down”.

But I have come to the conclusion that if you walked two doctors into a lot of peoples room and told them one could cure cancer, and the other would make them feel happy dying, they would choose the second doctor.

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Mike Lamb  Nov 11, 2016 • 1:19:51pm

Will Melania Trump be the least involved/least visible first lady in history?

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freetoken  Nov 11, 2016 • 1:20:03pm

re: #139 JasonA

Yeah, that’s why at each rally he would point to the cameras and make the “media” the villains.

That should have been obvious.

It was obvious.

If I may be allowed to be crude here….

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darthstar  Nov 11, 2016 • 1:21:03pm

re: #119 Ziggy_TARDIS

I confess, I would have preferred Biden to Clinton.

I’m going to miss Joe…a bunch.

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freetoken  Nov 11, 2016 • 1:21:43pm

re: #142 Mike Lamb

I bet she’ll go to the finest of parties, wearing the finest of cloth.

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Nyet  Nov 11, 2016 • 1:21:47pm

re: #96 Blind Frog Belly White

Hey, didn’t I say this was Obama’s strategy?

:P

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CuriousLurker  Nov 11, 2016 • 1:22:17pm

re: #142 Mike Lamb

Will Melania Trump be the least involved/least visible first lady in history?

<snark>Hopefully. I’d prefer to see & hear as little as possible from the entire clan.</snark>

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nines09  Nov 11, 2016 • 1:22:24pm

re: #142 Mike Lamb

You can see all of her in magazine spreads. Take a copy to church.

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A Cranky One  Nov 11, 2016 • 1:22:53pm

On topic post, so feel free to ignore. ;-)

That kid can play guitar! Wow. Some players just make it look so easy, when it’s anything but. Video’s like that both motivate me to work harder and discourage me, since I’ll never be that good, no matter how hard I practice.

Good thing I play only for my own enjoyment and stress relief. I’d hate to have to compete against great players like that professionally.

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electrotek  Nov 11, 2016 • 1:23:46pm
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CuriousLurker  Nov 11, 2016 • 1:24:04pm

For the Bernie/Star Wars fans:

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Nyet  Nov 11, 2016 • 1:25:39pm

re: #119 Ziggy_TARDIS

I confess, I would have preferred Biden to Clinton.

Pfft.
I understand Hillary’s weak places, but I won’t go shitting on the candidate I supported enthusiastically just because they lost.

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BeachDem  Nov 11, 2016 • 1:26:25pm

re: #139 JasonA

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And the press pack said nothing like this DURING the campaign because…?

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Mike Lamb  Nov 11, 2016 • 1:26:27pm

re: #145 freetoken

I bet she’ll go to the finest of parties, wearing the finest of cloth.

Right. I just can’t see her having a real cause. Would she really make cyber-decorum her ‘cause’? Could she really do that with a straight face (I mean if her face could still show emotion after the Botox).

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CuriousLurker  Nov 11, 2016 • 1:28:05pm

Alrighty then. Later.

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BeachDem  Nov 11, 2016 • 1:28:11pm

re: #142 Mike Lamb

Will Melania Trump be the least involved/least visible first lady in history?

We can only hope.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Nov 11, 2016 • 1:28:47pm

re: #152 Nyet

I loved Clinton. I just loved Biden more.

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Patricia Kayden  Nov 11, 2016 • 1:28:56pm

re: #31 Charles Johnson

“When they go low, we go high” sounds like a great slogan, and it made a lot of people feel good.

But guess what? The ones who went low WON the election.

But I wouldn’t want the Democratic Party to go low like Trump. I wouldn’t be a part of any entity like that. Our current POTUS is a classy dude and I would like our next Democratic President to be dignified and classy. Pretty much, the opposite of the President-elect.

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Myron Falwell (no relation)  Nov 11, 2016 • 1:28:56pm

re: #125 klys (maker of Silmarils)

That’s nice?

Biden didn’t want to run. That’s what matters. You deal with the reality you have, not the one you wished for.

Biden had than enough justification to not run. I respect him for it. (It saddened me, because I grew to respect him a lot.)

It does nothing to change the outcome, however.

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Nyet  Nov 11, 2016 • 1:30:29pm

re: #158 Ziggy_TARDIS

I remember VB expressing this sentiment many times. I don’t remember you doing it…

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Patricia Kayden  Nov 11, 2016 • 1:31:05pm

re: #32 Tigger2

Does O’Keefe have anything to say about NC Republicans boasting about how well their voter suppression tactics worked to depress the Black vote? If not, he needs to shut the hell up.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Nov 11, 2016 • 1:33:09pm

re: #152 Nyet

Pfft.
I understand Hillary’s weak places, but I won’t go shitting on the candidate I supported enthusiastically just because they lost.

Plus, if Biden had won this year, people would say “It’s time for a change” in 2020, a census, redistricting, and reapportionment year. Our only hope now is for Trump to screw up beyond all historical precedent—a good bet, I think—and precipitate a complete reversal in 2020.

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Patricia Kayden  Nov 11, 2016 • 1:33:28pm

re: #49 scottslemmons

“Mr. Trump, where’s the Statue of Liberty?”

“Do you know how much money you can get selling copper?”

Trump: “And the Statute of Liberty is only a 4. If she were a 10, I’d leave her up.”

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Myron Falwell (no relation)  Nov 11, 2016 • 1:34:13pm

re: #151 CuriousLurker

Pretty much.
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freetoken  Nov 11, 2016 • 1:35:02pm

Trump’s climate plan ‘catastrophic’: France’s Royal

Donald Trump’s plan to drop out of world cooperation on slowing climate change would be “absolutely catastrophic” and weaken the United States, France’s environment minister said on Friday.

But Segolene Royal, defending a 2015 Paris climate agreement she helped construct, told Reuters she believed the U.S. president-elect might switch track once he takes office.

[…]

Well, then, she’s not been paying attention. Trump hired as his EPA transition guy the head current wonk behind CEI’s climate change denial machine.

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Nyet  Nov 11, 2016 • 1:35:03pm

And DailyKos has become unreadable again, what with the whining BernieBros and a diary written by a caucus99 sociopath hanging at the top of the wreck list.

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The Vicious Babushka  Nov 11, 2016 • 1:37:19pm

re: #151 CuriousLurker

For the Bernie/Star Wars fans:

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2024: The Force Awakens (featuring Tammy Duckworth)

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darthstar  Nov 11, 2016 • 1:37:25pm

The Big Lebowski is on. My day just improved 1000%

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HappyWarrior  Nov 11, 2016 • 1:37:37pm

re: #163 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Plus, if Biden had won this year, people would say “It’s time for a change” in 2020, a census, redistricting, and reapportionment year. Our only hope now is for Trump to screw up beyond all historical precedent—a good bet, I think—and precipitate a complete reversal in 2020.

I have to admit having the same thought. Of course, it doesn’t change it really puts the next Dem standard bearer in a tough spot. Clinton ran a good campaign IMO so I’m not going to beat her up. I prefer Biden too but what happened happened. We gotta stop Trump whenever we can.

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Patricia Kayden  Nov 11, 2016 • 1:38:34pm

re: #85 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Someone had to say the truth even if it’s a foreigner. I wish some Dems would get up and say the same.

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Nyet  Nov 11, 2016 • 1:39:01pm

Also, fucking BernieBros are joking about Bernie in 2020, right?

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darthstar  Nov 11, 2016 • 1:40:12pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 11, 2016 • 1:40:55pm

re: #173 darthstar

I love these so much.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Nov 11, 2016 • 1:41:08pm

re: #161 Nyet

I was thinking it before he decided not to run.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 11, 2016 • 1:42:48pm

re: #172 Nyet

Also, fucking BernieBros are joking about Bernie in 2020, right?

No, they’re dead serious

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darthstar  Nov 11, 2016 • 1:42:51pm

re: #172 Nyet

Also, fucking BernieBros are joking about Bernie in 2020, right?

Let me guess. You think BernieBros lost the election for Hillary. You need to invent a better bogeyman.

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Patricia Kayden  Nov 11, 2016 • 1:42:52pm

re: #98 Skip Intro

And in 2 years the Senate is in danger of turning deep red. I wonder if those of us still around will even recognize this country in 4 years?

That’s what I wonder as well. I can’t imagine the damage Trump and his Rightwing VP can do in 4 years, while they have control of Congress for at least the first 2 of those 4 years. It’s horrifying.

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thedopefishlives  Nov 11, 2016 • 1:42:56pm

re: #172 Nyet

Also, fucking BernieBros are joking about Bernie in 2020, right?

Of course not, you know better.

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freetoken  Nov 11, 2016 • 1:43:17pm

Kerry is still in the denial stage:

JOHN KERRY TALKS CLIMATE CHANGE BUT NOT TRUMP IN ANTARCTICA

U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry didn’t comment on President-elect Donald Trump’s election victory on Friday while visiting Antarctica, but did say that citizens who care about limiting emissions might have to march in the streets to push for more aggressive action.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Nov 11, 2016 • 1:43:26pm

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 11, 2016 • 1:43:58pm

1. Bernie isn’t really a democrat
2. He’ll be closing in on 80 by the next election.

The Dems need someone younger and dynamic to build the kind of energy Obama did in 2008. If they are really lucky Trump and his buddies will shithole the economy like GWB and co did to improve Dem chances.

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Belafon  Nov 11, 2016 • 1:44:43pm

re: #172 Nyet

Also, fucking BernieBros are joking about Bernie in 2020, right?

I doubt he’ll be allowed to run as a Democrat again if he doesn’t change to the party.

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thedopefishlives  Nov 11, 2016 • 1:45:05pm

re: #181 klys (maker of Silmarils)

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Nyet  Nov 11, 2016 • 1:45:11pm

re: #177 darthstar

Let me guess.

Don’t quit your day job.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 11, 2016 • 1:45:35pm

re: #177 darthstar

Let me guess. You think BernieBros lost the election for Hillary. You need to invent a better bogeyman.

OFFS, DS - he’ll be 79 damn years old then! Trump at 70 is the oldest guy to win a first term.

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Nyet  Nov 11, 2016 • 1:45:40pm

re: #179 thedopefishlives

Apparently for some, once delusional, always delusional.

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TedStriker  Nov 11, 2016 • 1:46:13pm

re: #172 Nyet

Also, fucking BernieBros are joking about Bernie in 2020, right?

Probably not…I wondered out loud here on Wednesday about whether that lame-ass statement Bernie put out was an effort to get back in the BoBs’ good graces for another run.

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Patricia Kayden  Nov 11, 2016 • 1:46:24pm

re: #126 Backwoods_Sleuth

Very sorry to hear this. ((BS)).

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Myron Falwell (no relation)  Nov 11, 2016 • 1:46:45pm

re: #172 Nyet

Also, fucking BernieBros are joking about Bernie in 2020, right?

As much as we need oxygen to breathe…

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Nyet  Nov 11, 2016 • 1:47:25pm

re: #186 Blind Frog Belly White

AFAIC he was too old this time around. In 4 years? Pure madness.

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Patricia Kayden  Nov 11, 2016 • 1:47:49pm

re: #142 Mike Lamb

Didn’t Melania claim she wants to fight cyber bullying? LOL!! The answer to your question is a resounding yes.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 11, 2016 • 1:47:50pm

re: #177 darthstar

Let me guess. You think BernieBros lost the election for Hillary. You need to invent a better bogeyman.

It’s not that. It’s that heis going to be 79 in 2020.

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darthstar  Nov 11, 2016 • 1:48:07pm

re: #175 Ziggy_TARDIS

I was thinking it before he decided not to run.

Bernie ran his race. He knows that boat has sailed. Here’s an exchange I had with some Hillbro earlier today. They love piling on Bernie until you point out how dumb they sound.

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As if people would welcome honest criticism if Bernie was a Democrat. They’d call him a DINO.

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TedStriker  Nov 11, 2016 • 1:48:47pm

re: #191 Nyet

AFAIC he was too old this time around. In 4 years? Pure madness.

He had his ego stroked this year like it never had been before…I wouldn’t put it past him.

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EPR-radar  Nov 11, 2016 • 1:49:04pm

re: #151 CuriousLurker

I like the idea, but someone else in 2020. Sanders doesn’t have what it takes to win a Democratic party primary, or the general election after that.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 11, 2016 • 1:50:56pm

re: #194 darthstar

Bernie ran his race. He knows that boat has sailed. Here’s an exchange I had with some Hillbro earlier today. They love piling on Bernie until you point out how dumb they sound.

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As if people would welcome honest criticism if Bernie was a Democrat. They’d call him a DINO.

They have a point. If he wants to tell the Democratic Party what to do, he should fucking JOIN IT. Trying to drive a party he pretends he’s too good to join? Fuck that noise.

(If he HAS totally become a Democrat, ignore the above)

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HappyWarrior  Nov 11, 2016 • 1:51:41pm

To be fair, I’m not sold on Warren as presidential material either. I like Warren but I’m not sure if she’s can pres material.

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Charles Johnson  Nov 11, 2016 • 1:51:52pm

The Rage Furby is feeling pretty cocky right now.

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prairiefire  Nov 11, 2016 • 1:51:56pm

re: #126 Backwoods_Sleuth

((B_S))

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prairiefire  Nov 11, 2016 • 1:53:18pm

Howard Dean back in, 50 state strategy fired back up. Ask for every damn vote, every one.

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Patricia Kayden  Nov 11, 2016 • 1:53:28pm

re: #199 Charles Johnson

The Rage Furby is feeling pretty cocky right now.

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How can he or anyone else sue a private company and demand to be reinstated to a private platform? Twitter has the right to ban people from using its platform for any reason. I thought Rightwingers respected businesses to make their own decisions.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 11, 2016 • 1:53:38pm

re: #197 Blind Frog Belly White

They have a point. If he wants to tell the Democratic Party what to do, he should fucking JOIN IT. Trying to drive a party he pretends he’s too good to join? Fuck that noise.

(If he HAS totally become a Democrat, ignore the above)

Agree with that, if he’s officially a Democrat, by all means, if still not, then no. That said, I don’t think the DNC chair should be a sitting Congressperson, I felt the same way about DWS too.

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Charles Johnson  Nov 11, 2016 • 1:53:50pm

Breitbart and Infowars Become President Trump’s New Media Establishment

“A lot of my friends are going to be in the White House, so it’s very exciting, to put it mildly,” said Chuck Johnson, who confides that he spent much of election night in the Trump victory party’s VIP room at the New York Hilton, mingling with billionaires, and boasts access to members of the president-elect’s family.

“We were always connected to the Trump people at the very highest levels…It’s pretty crazy that Celebrity Apprentice is the preparation for having the nuke codes, but I’ll take it.”

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 11, 2016 • 1:54:09pm

FWIW, Bernie himself started all this 2020 speculation.
Sanders doesn’t rule out 2020 White House run

WASHINGTON — Bernie Sanders is leaving open the possibility of another presidential bid as shell-shocked liberals focus on helping the Democratic Party rebuild after Donald Trump’s victory.

“Four years is a long time from now,” said the 75-year-old Vermont independent, noting that he faces re-election to the Senate in 2018. But he added: “We’ll take one thing at a time, but I’m not ruling out anything.”

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Timothy Watson  Nov 11, 2016 • 1:54:35pm

re: #199 Charles Johnson

The Rage Furby is feeling pretty cocky right now.

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Please, proceed. Any money he gets will go to blow, and it’s money that some RWNJ might have given to a political candidate.

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thedopefishlives  Nov 11, 2016 • 1:54:36pm

re: #202 Patricia Kayden

How can he or anyone else sue a private company and demand to be reinstated to a private platform? Twitter has the right to ban people from using its platform for any reason. I thought Rightwingers respected businesses to make their own decisions.

He can’t, and he will be laughed out of court, but that won’t stop him from trying.

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darthstar  Nov 11, 2016 • 1:54:43pm

So, is Hillary going to run again in 2020? She came damn close to beating Trump.

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Myron Falwell (no relation)  Nov 11, 2016 • 1:56:12pm

re: #199 Charles Johnson

The Rage Furby is feeling pretty cocky right now.

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Any moron who donates money to Rage Furby doesn’t DESERVE to have that money.

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Patricia Kayden  Nov 11, 2016 • 1:56:14pm

re: #198 HappyWarrior

To be fair, I’m not sold on Warren as presidential material either. I like Warren but I’m not sure if she’s can pres material.

Elizabeth Warren would make a great President but I don’t think this country is ready for a woman President. I believe the fact that Secretary Clinton is a woman may have hurt her with some conservative Christians of color who don’t even want women in their pulpits. Warren has done a great job in the Senate so I don’t mind her staying there although she’s going to have a hard time getting anything done during Trump’s Presidency.

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No Depression  Nov 11, 2016 • 1:56:30pm

re: #208 darthstar

So, is Hillary going to run again in 2020? She came damn close to beating Trump.

I don’t think so. She’s already lost twice.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 11, 2016 • 1:56:34pm

re: #204 Charles Johnson

Breitbart and Infowars Become President Trump’s New Media Establishment

They are the establishment now. Gonna be amusing seeing Alex Jones suck up to the WH and maybe even part of it.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 11, 2016 • 1:57:41pm

re: #208 darthstar

So, is Hillary going to run again in 2020? She came damn close to beating Trump.

No and she shouldn’t.

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mmmirele  Nov 11, 2016 • 1:57:51pm

I am absolutely GOBSMACKED at the anti-Soros sentiment coming from the evangelical Protestant side. It’s unbelievable. This is not the first time I’ve seen this today, btw:

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And, for the record, Soros is open about who he does fund. His PAC dropped $2 million on ads for Paul Penzone, which helped Penzone win the Maricopa County sheriff’s race. The guy is not shy about spreading his money around.

politico.com

Lance Wallnau is someone to keep an eye on. He’s the creator of the “Seven Mountains Mandate,” where the charismatic sector of Protestant evangelicals believe they’re going to take over seven aspects of society. Before Tuesday, I would have said they were spouting shit, now we have to keep an eye on them.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Nov 11, 2016 • 1:58:07pm

re: #211 No Depression

I don’t think so. She’s already lost twice.

I think it almost doesn’t matter who runs in 2020. That election will be a referendum on Trump, pure and simple.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Nov 11, 2016 • 1:58:15pm

re: #177 darthstar

I think they might have.

Democratic Turnout was way down, and the Libertarians and Greens got a huge boost.

I’m really tired of the purity shit. I want to be able to make incremental change, and have Civil Rights.

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BigPapa  Nov 11, 2016 • 1:58:18pm

I’m going to enjoy watching Jones flip from anti establishment paranoid croaker to establishment goon.

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Myron Falwell (no relation)  Nov 11, 2016 • 1:58:45pm

re: #212 HappyWarrior

They are the establishment now. Gonna be amusing seeing Alex Jones suck up to the WH and maybe even part of it.

And you though Rush’s puff-piece softball interviews with Dick Cheney were insufferable…

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EPR-radar  Nov 11, 2016 • 1:58:55pm

re: #201 prairiefire

Howard Dean back in, 50 state strategy fired back up. Ask for every damn vote, every one.

Yes, but these things have to be realistic. No House race should ever be completely uncontested by the Democrats. Past that, hard choices will have to be made.

Clinton could have put the entire resources of her campaign into Nebraska. Yes, it would have moved the needle a bit. The most it could have possibly done for her is +1 EV. The other electoral votes in Nebraska were and remain as unreachable for Team D as the far side of the moon.

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thedopefishlives  Nov 11, 2016 • 1:58:58pm

re: #217 BigPapa

I’m going to enjoy watching Jones flip from anti establishment paranoid croaker to establishment goon.

He won’t. As soon as Drumpf takes office, he will say or do something to piss Jones off, and then he will be yet another establishment stooge.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 11, 2016 • 1:59:26pm

re: #210 Patricia Kayden

Elizabeth Warren would make a great President but I don’t think this country is ready for a woman President. I believe the fact that Secretary Clinton is a woman may have hurt her with some conservative Christians of color who don’t even want women in their pulpits. Warren has done a great job in the Senate so I don’t mind her staying there although she’s going to have a hard time getting anything done during Trump’s Presidency.

I’m just not sure if she is honest. I like her a lot but I’d like to see more FP gravitas from her before I’d support her in a primary. Now as a nominee, absolutely.

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Lidane  Nov 11, 2016 • 2:00:00pm

Pretty much this:

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Nov 11, 2016 • 2:00:01pm

re: #194 darthstar

I see very few Berniacs listening to Minority voices. Hell, I see them attacking John Lewis today.

WTF is wrong with the Berners!!??!?!

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HappyWarrior  Nov 11, 2016 • 2:00:37pm

re: #219 EPR-radar

Yes, but these things have to be realistic. No House race should ever be completely uncontested by the Democrats. Past that, hard choices will have to be made.

Clinton could have put the entire resources of her campaign into Nebraska. Yes, it would have moved the needle a bit. The most it could have possibly done for her is +1 EV. The other electoral votes in Nebraska were and remain as unreachable for Team D as the far side of the moon.

Agreed.

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wrenchwench  Nov 11, 2016 • 2:00:38pm
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That’s a quotation from Carl Sagan. Here’s one from the linked article.

[…yeah, go read it…]But such complaints will not change anything, certainly not history.

It is therefore up to the scientific and academic community itself to become a more powerful political constituency. As Dr. Sagan once said about our planet, help will not come from somewhere else.

What lessons do we take away from this as science communicators who care about public policy? Here are a few, which broadly apply to other experts, too.

[go ye, and read…]

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Nyet  Nov 11, 2016 • 2:00:56pm

re: #213 HappyWarrior

And nobody suggested she would. More trolling.

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darthstar  Nov 11, 2016 • 2:01:04pm

re: #197 Blind Frog Belly White

They have a point. If he wants to tell the Democratic Party what to do, he should fucking JOIN IT. Trying to drive a party he pretends he’s too good to join? Fuck that noise.

(If he HAS totally become a Democrat, ignore the above)

Bernie’s been a better democrat than a lot of people with Ds by their name.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 11, 2016 • 2:01:30pm

re: #216 Ziggy_TARDIS

I think they might have.

Democratic Turnout was way down, and the Libertarians and Greens got a huge boost.

I’m really tired of the purity shit. I want to be able to make incremental change, and have Civil Rights.

Do not draw conclusions on turnout till all the votes are counted. There were 4.3 Million uncounted in California alone as of yesterday afternoon. Raw turnout numbers will exceed 2012.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 11, 2016 • 2:01:35pm

re: #223 Ziggy_TARDIS

I see very few Berniacs listening to Minority voices. Hell, I see them attacking John Lewis today.

WTF is wrong with the Berners!!??!?!

Try to remember that a lot of those twitter accounts aren’t really Bernie supporters.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 11, 2016 • 2:01:39pm

re: #223 Ziggy_TARDIS

I see very few Berniacs listening to Minority voices. Hell, I see them attacking John Lewis today.

WTF is wrong with the Berners!!??!?!

Why are they’ve attacking Lewis?

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HappyWarrior  Nov 11, 2016 • 2:02:35pm

re: #227 darthstar

Bernie’s been a better democrat than a lot of people with Ds by their name.

That’s your right to believe that but if he wants to have a voice in the party’s future & chairmanship , he needs to be a full pledged member.

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darthstar  Nov 11, 2016 • 2:02:47pm

re: #199 Charles Johnson

The Rage Furby is feeling pretty cocky right now.

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“a wesearchr bounty to crowd fund the lawsuit?” what the fuck does that even mean? He’s going to put a bounty on begging for money? He’s got to be the worst fucking grifter ever.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Nov 11, 2016 • 2:02:47pm

re: #227 darthstar

He has a history of being Anti-Immigrant.

He is not a good democrat if he is anti-Immigrant.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Nov 11, 2016 • 2:03:16pm

re: #230 HappyWarrior

They are saying he “sold out.”

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HappyWarrior  Nov 11, 2016 • 2:03:35pm

re: #112 Backwoods_Sleuth

No, you jackass, it’s not hard at all…those jobs are NOT COMING BACK!

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Miners got sold a bs Bill of goods.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 11, 2016 • 2:03:56pm

re: #234 Ziggy_TARDIS

They are saying he “sold out.”

Oh fuck them.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Nov 11, 2016 • 2:04:14pm

re: #184 thedopefishlives

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darthstar  Nov 11, 2016 • 2:04:37pm

re: #228 Blind Frog Belly White

Do not draw conclusions on turnout till all the votes are counted. There were 4.3 Million uncounted in California alone as of yesterday afternoon. Raw turnout numbers will exceed 2012.

Unless they change the electoral vote by 30, the remaining votes only count toward local measures and races. One in particular, Darrel Issa, is of particular interest in this state. I’d love to see that fucking car thief go back to the private sector.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Nov 11, 2016 • 2:04:39pm

Did a little arithmetic. It takes ~712,000 people to cast one Electoral vote in California. In Wyoming, ~195,000. If you live in California, your vote is worth 27% of a vote in Wyoming. This needs to change.

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Timothy Watson  Nov 11, 2016 • 2:04:56pm

re: #216 Ziggy_TARDIS

Inside baseball time:

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 11, 2016 • 2:05:50pm
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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Nov 11, 2016 • 2:09:57pm

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Myron Falwell (no relation)  Nov 11, 2016 • 2:10:33pm

re: #241 Backwoods_Sleuth

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The rate this is going, he might have to build a wall around his own building.

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thedopefishlives  Nov 11, 2016 • 2:10:36pm

re: #237 klys (maker of Silmarils)

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JasonA  Nov 11, 2016 • 2:10:42pm
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HappyWarrior  Nov 11, 2016 • 2:11:11pm

re: #245 JasonA

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I’m gonna miss those two.

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Charles Johnson  Nov 11, 2016 • 2:11:32pm

Well, here’s something good to report that has nothing to do with politics — I’m now using OpenCalais for the “Suggest Tags” feature of LGF Pages. And it’s a huge improvement over the other systems I’ve been using. The feature will now actually give you an amazingly usable list of suggestions based on the text of your post. I’m seriously impressed at how good the system is at extracting meaningful words and phrases, and proper names — much, much better than anything else I’ve tried.

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EPR-radar  Nov 11, 2016 • 2:11:37pm

re: #239 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Did a little arithmetic. It takes ~712,000 people to cast one Electoral vote in California. In Wyoming, ~195,000. If you live in California, your vote is worth 27% of a vote in Wyoming. This needs to change.

This is irritating but most unlikely to change. Only Republicans can dare to dream about constitutional amendments, and the National Popular Vote compact will never get enough votes to come into effect. Republicans aren’t going to give up their structural advantage in the electoral college.

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darthstar  Nov 11, 2016 • 2:11:42pm

re: #231 HappyWarrior

That’s your right to believe that but if he wants to have a voice in the party’s future, he needs to be a full pledged better.

I think he wants to have a voice in America’s future. It’s not just about party for him. Nor should it be.

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JasonA  Nov 11, 2016 • 2:11:42pm

re: #246 HappyWarrior

I’m gonna miss those two.

So say we all.

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thedopefishlives  Nov 11, 2016 • 2:11:49pm

re: #246 HappyWarrior

I’m gonna miss those two.

Deep down, I suspect that even the most hardened right-wing evangelical asshole will miss them by the time all is said and done.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Nov 11, 2016 • 2:14:40pm

re: #244 thedopefishlives

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HappyWarrior  Nov 11, 2016 • 2:14:40pm

re: #249 darthstar

I think he wants to have a voice in America’s future. It’s not just about party for him. Nor should it be.

I really believe if someone wants to take part in choosing a party’s chairman they should be members of that party. I’m not saying he should shut up about the issues, I just think he has no room to talk about issues effecting the party if he won’t be a member, if he is a member, I welcome his voice.

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EPR-radar  Nov 11, 2016 • 2:14:44pm

re: #251 thedopefishlives

Deep down, I suspect that even the most hardened right-wing evangelical asshole will miss them by the time all is said and done.

I’ll believe that when I see it. After all, NeverTrumpers bitch at least as much about Trump supposedly being a ‘liberal’ as they do about his fascism.

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Charles Johnson  Nov 11, 2016 • 2:15:14pm

re: #232 darthstar

“a wesearchr bounty to crowd fund the lawsuit?” what the fuck does that even mean? He’s going to put a bounty on begging for money? He’s got to be the worst fucking grifter ever.

But he’s selling his snake oil to the most gullible people ever. Right wingers these days are completely disconnected from the real world, and they’ll eagerly send their money to people like Chuck because he’s feeding them the hateful garbage they hunger for.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 11, 2016 • 2:15:34pm

re: #251 thedopefishlives

Deep down, I suspect that even the most hardened right-wing evangelical asshole will miss them by the time all is said and done.

I dunno.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 11, 2016 • 2:15:56pm

re: #238 darthstar

Unless they change the electoral vote by 30, the remaining votes only count toward local measures and races. One in particular, Darrel Issa, is of particular interest in this state. I’d love to see that fucking car thief go back to the private sector.

Right now, people are comparing the numbers from the complete counts in prior years to the INCOMPLETE count available today and drawing conclusions from them about turnout. It will be some days before all the votes are counted. It won’t make any difference in the results, but rather in the analysis of who did and didn’t show up.

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thedopefishlives  Nov 11, 2016 • 2:16:04pm

re: #256 HappyWarrior

I dunno.

There aren’t very many of them who actually liked Drumpf, I will remind. Only the ones who were openly racist.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Nov 11, 2016 • 2:16:06pm

re: #255 Charles Johnson

But he’s selling his snake oil to the most gullible people ever. Right wingers these days are completely disconnected from the real world, and they’ll eagerly send their money to people like Chuck because he’s feeding them the hateful garbage they hunger for.

Having a conscience (and morals and ethics) sucks.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 11, 2016 • 2:17:07pm
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HappyWarrior  Nov 11, 2016 • 2:17:23pm

re: #258 thedopefishlives

There aren’t very many of them who actually liked Drumpf, I will remind. Only the ones who were openly racist.

Right but many still hate Obama. My never Trump friend still hates Obama more.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 11, 2016 • 2:17:56pm

re: #259 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Having a conscience (and morals and ethics) sucks.

It’s easier to be an asshole.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 11, 2016 • 2:18:39pm

re: #262 HappyWarrior

It’s easier to be an asshole.

That’s the Dark Side for you - Quicker. Easier. More seductive.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Nov 11, 2016 • 2:19:04pm
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This is why the moderate outreach will need to continue.

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BeachDem  Nov 11, 2016 • 2:19:23pm

re: #227 darthstar

Bernie’s been a better democrat than a lot of people with Ds by their name.

No he hasn’t.

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EPR-radar  Nov 11, 2016 • 2:19:38pm

re: #259 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Having a conscience (and morals and ethics) sucks.

If people are sufficiently determined to believe what they want to believe, truth and reality both become completely irrelevant. What fraction of the electorate being like that is sufficient to doom democracy?

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Lidane  Nov 11, 2016 • 2:19:59pm

Holy shit this is amazing:

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Love love love this song. Wow.

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Jebediah, RBG  Nov 11, 2016 • 2:21:21pm

re: #237 klys (maker of Silmarils)

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Nyet  Nov 11, 2016 • 2:22:16pm

re: #264 Ziggy_TARDIS

And going far left Berniac may have the opposite effect on that than the one the BernieBros have in mind.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 11, 2016 • 2:22:25pm

re: #268 Jebediah, RBG

This alone has me discombobulated and depressed this week.
And then I start thinking about the repercussions for others not in as safe a position as myself…

Same, that’s why I’m bummed. Despair won over optimism.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 11, 2016 • 2:23:07pm

Doesn’t look there is a verdict yet.

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Timothy Watson  Nov 11, 2016 • 2:25:07pm

re: #240 Timothy Watson

Addendum: What I posted in the preceding comment is why I am so pissed at the protesters over the last two days.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Nov 11, 2016 • 2:25:12pm

re: #262 HappyWarrior

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JasonA  Nov 11, 2016 • 2:25:13pm
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Well I’m glad that’s all cleared up!

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mmmirele  Nov 11, 2016 • 2:26:12pm

re: #255 Charles Johnson

But he’s selling his snake oil to the most gullible people ever. Right wingers these days are completely disconnected from the real world, and they’ll eagerly send their money to people like Chuck because he’s feeding them the hateful garbage they hunger for.

Yeah, I came to the grim conclusion that I might be wasting my time picketing Mark Driscoll’s church on Sunday because these are the same people who voted for that liar Trump. That said, the numbers at the Driscoll outfit are way lower than he wanted at this point (he fully expected to have 1,000 attendees right now and he maybe has 500, including kids).

After thinking about it and consulting with people, I am going to do the following: a) lightning pickets—dropping by whenever I feel like it, which will keep it unpredictable*; b) car counts—got to make sure he’s still not getting anywhere near 1,000 and c) reserving regular picketing if his numbers creep upward.

*I used to drive Scientology bonkers with lightning pickets. Since I know the secret of OT 8, the highest Scientology level, they’d have to call their one local OT 8 to deal with me whenever I showed up. So this has promise.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Nov 11, 2016 • 2:26:18pm

re: #270 HappyWarrior

So I saw the quote there as private on my screen. Something may be going wonky with the private tag stuff, or else there was a change made after it was posted?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 11, 2016 • 2:26:28pm

re: #271 Backwoods_Sleuth

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William Lewis  Nov 11, 2016 • 2:26:49pm

re: #140 freetoken

Supposedly, if one believes the columns in the newspapers, the original plan was for him to stay in DC until his youngest daughter is out of school. In the meantime he was going to work with Hillary in the transition.

Well, that latter bit is out the window now.

He can go on the speech-circuit and command a dear price.

But maybe he just wants to retire. To sit back or go out and play basketball. GWB took up painting. Maybe Obama will pick up ice-skating as a hobby. Who knows.

I will be pleased if he chooses to write about his views post-office. The 21st century Democratic party desperate needs an ideological masterpiece that can also inspire. Something not too long, but with enough depth to challenge the reader.

I’d suggest a nice little chateau on the riviera with healthy bribes to keep the French from extraditing them.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 11, 2016 • 2:27:53pm

A point worth considering:

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Midwestern, PoC, progressive. Muslim, but with a nice, nonscary name.

The Democratic Party is the party of everyone who doesn’t identify as a Straight White Christian (not that there aren’t plenty of Democrats who are straight white Christians, but that’s not how they identify). We cannot become the party of the Straight White Christian identifiers, without losing our soul as the party of American diversity. So we shouldn’t try.

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BeachDem  Nov 11, 2016 • 2:29:06pm

re: #274 JasonA

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Well I’m glad that’s all cleared up!

Why are the fucking media accepting the Trump definition of a blind trust, when that is not what a blind trust is at all? Gah.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 11, 2016 • 2:29:55pm

re: #279 Blind Frog Belly White

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Midwestern, PoC, progressive. Muslim, but with a nice, nonscary name.

The Democratic Party is the party of everyone who doesn’t identify as a Straight White Christian (not that there aren’t plenty of Democrats who are straight white Christians, but that’s not how they identify). We cannot become the party of the Straight White Christian identifiers, without losing our soul as the party of American diversity. So we shouldn’t try.

I’m definitely itnrigued by Keith as party chair. I just have concerns about another party chair who is a sitting member of Congress. But your’e right. We are the party of diversity and we ought to be proud of that.

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EPR-radar  Nov 11, 2016 • 2:29:56pm

re: #270 HappyWarrior

Same, that’s why I’m bummed. Despair won over optimism.

Even if one buys the “economic distress” argument (which I don’t), the fact remains that Trump voters didn’t care about Trump being a hateful bigot who ran on a campaign of scapegoating ‘others’, and who is obviously and manifestly unfit for public office.

That’s ever so much better than Trump’s supporters all being white supremacists.//////

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William Lewis  Nov 11, 2016 • 2:30:23pm

re: #264 Ziggy_TARDIS

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This is why the moderate outreach will need to continue.

This is why being anti-gun costs elections because otherwise moderate Democrats will swallow the NRA lies. I know that most here hate hearing that but look at that map.

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darthstar  Nov 11, 2016 • 2:30:48pm

re: #255 Charles Johnson

But he’s selling his snake oil to the most gullible people ever. Right wingers these days are completely disconnected from the real world, and they’ll eagerly send their money to people like Chuck because he’s feeding them the hateful garbage they hunger for.

They got the White House back. That well is going to dry up fast. Chuck will be working at his namesake - Chuck E. Cheese - by the end of next year.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Nov 11, 2016 • 2:30:58pm

American Eclipse, Part 3: Into the Dark, Alone and Together

….

You need to understand this, if you understand nothing else this week: You have no idea how bad it’s going to get. Trump is going to get to ram what he wants through Congress because the members will be scared shitless of Trump’s idiot hordes turning on them. The easiest way to explain how fucked we are is that I’m hoping that complete dickholes like Lindsey Graham and a couple of other Republican senators are honorable enough to leave the filibuster in place.

But I’m not sure that the filibuster will be sufficient (especially when Democratic senators from states with Republican governors suddenly get sick with radiation poisoning or something). And even if a conservative Supreme Court declares some of Trump’s new laws or actions unconstitutional, I guarantee you that we will see the impeachment of one or more justices.

All the norms are gone now. Everything you thought about how the government ought to be run is going to get thrown out onto its ass. You are going to see citizens dragged before congressional committees in order to face interrogation for being Muslim. You are going to see immigrants turned into scapegoats for anything that Trump wants to do that fails. You are going to see an even greater proliferation of illegal guns and the rolling back of civil rights and environmental regulations and financial industry restrictions and food safety measures. That’s on top of the repeal of the Affordable Care Act.

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Nyet  Nov 11, 2016 • 2:31:03pm

Mmm, that was a tasty piece of cheese.
“It’s the small things.”

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 11, 2016 • 2:31:15pm

re: #280 BeachDem

Why are the fucking media accepting the Trump definition of a blind trust, when that is not what a blind trust is at all? Gah.

The Media pressed Trump repeatedly on the tax returns, the Trump Foundation, P*ss*-grabbing, lies, etc.

Enough voters in the right states voted for him anyway.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 11, 2016 • 2:31:35pm

re: #282 EPR-radar

Even if one buys the “economic distress” argument (which I don’t), the fact remains that Trump voters didn’t care about Trump being a hateful bigot who ran on a campaign of scapegoating ‘others’, and who is obviously and manifestly unfit for public office.

That’s ever so much better than Trump’s supporters all being white supremacists.//////

Exactly.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Nov 11, 2016 • 2:31:46pm

re: #286 Nyet

Mmm, that was a tasty piece of cheese.
“It’s the small things.”

I was desperate for good cheese after two weeks in Japan.

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Myron Falwell (no relation)  Nov 11, 2016 • 2:32:44pm

re: #255 Charles Johnson

But he’s selling his snake oil to the most gullible people ever. Right wingers these days are completely disconnected from the real world, and they’ll eagerly send their money to people like Chuck because he’s feeding them the hateful garbage they hunger for.

Exactly. Rage Furby is aiming this at the chronically stupid, and unfortunately, there’s a lot of them.

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wrenchwench  Nov 11, 2016 • 2:33:23pm

re: #286 Nyet

Mmm, that was a tasty piece of cheese.
“It’s the small things.”

I thought at first a comment above yours was being called cheese. Oh, well.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Nov 11, 2016 • 2:34:44pm

re: #269 Nyet

Yes! Exactly!

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Stanley Sea  Nov 11, 2016 • 2:35:35pm

Job well done

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JasonA  Nov 11, 2016 • 2:36:04pm

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Nov 11, 2016 • 2:36:27pm

re: #279 Blind Frog Belly White

That’s true for a public face, but we need a ground level organizer.

I want co-chairs. Ellison as public face, and Dean as the organizer.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Nov 11, 2016 • 2:36:53pm

re: #281 HappyWarrior

I like my solution.

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William Lewis  Nov 11, 2016 • 2:37:58pm

re: #269 Nyet

And going far left Berniac may have the opposite effect on that than the one the BernieBros have in mind.

Exactly what I think as well but the Bernie Bros keep shrieking how he had better polling against Trumpenfuhrer during the primary season, ignoring the difference and the mass that did not break till the end.

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BeachDem  Nov 11, 2016 • 2:38:00pm

re: #287 Blind Frog Belly White

The Media pressed Trump repeatedly on the tax returns, the Trump Foundation, P*ss*-grabbing, lies, etc.

Enough voters in the right states voted for him anyway.

They pressed him how? Eichenberg and Fahrenthold pursued his business ventures and foundation and the rest of the media looked the other way.

Pussy-grabbing was big because it was salacious and there was video.

You’re right-he got elected, and the fact that we know nothing about who he is in business with, who he owes money to, who he owes favors to is an even bigger concern now. His children saying they won’t talk to daddy about business is not a particularly reassuring guarantee that his governing decisions, particularly foreign policy decisions, will not be made for his own personal gain and betterment rather than that of this country. The media should be pursuing that issue every day.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 11, 2016 • 2:38:48pm

re: #296 Ziggy_TARDIS

I like my solution.

I missed it. Explain.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 11, 2016 • 2:39:08pm

re: #295 Ziggy_TARDIS

That’s true for a public face, but we need a ground level organizer.

I want co-chairs. Ellison as public face, and Dean as the organizer.

That’s an intriguing idea.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 11, 2016 • 2:41:01pm

re: #297 William Lewis

Exactly what I think as well but the Bernie Bros keep shrieking how he had better polling against Trumpenfuhrer during the primary season, ignoring the difference and the mass that did not break till the end.

The thing that pisses me off about that and I say this as someone who once upon a time supported Dennis Kucinich (yeah laugh!), anyhow they hate hypothetical polls when they’re used to push a candidate as more electable so it was funny as hell to me that they used that with Bernie. if you genuinely believed Bernie to be a better candidate, that’s your right but I felt insulted by these types saying Democrats should ignore the will of their voters and nominate Bernie because he polled better. Not to mention Bernie did not resonate with key elements of the party base.

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A Cranky One  Nov 11, 2016 • 2:41:02pm

Just got off the phone with my mom and I’m so angry I could spit.

My sister’s husband is of Iranian descent. They’ve lived in the same suburb of Denver for many years, raised their family there and attend a local Christian church. Both are retired school teachers (both won Teacher of the Year awards several times) and are active in helping the less fortunate in the community.

My mother says they’ve started getting death threats for being “dirty Muslims”. From people in their subdivision. Their neighbors of many years. This is what Trump has done to the country.

I thought I couldn’t detest Trump more than I did. Turns out I was wrong.

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JasonA  Nov 11, 2016 • 2:41:34pm

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Joe Bacon  Nov 11, 2016 • 2:41:50pm

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I am absolutely GOBSMACKED at the anti-Soros sentiment coming from the evangelical Protestant side. It’s unbelievable. This is not the first time I’ve seen this today, btw:

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And, for the record, Soros is open about who he does fund. His PAC dropped $2 million on ads for Paul Penzone, which helped Penzone win the Maricopa County sheriff’s race. The guy is not shy about spreading his money around.

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Lance Wallnau is someone to keep an eye on. He’s the creator of the “Seven Mountains Mandate,” where the charismatic sector of Protestant evangelicals believe they’re going to take over seven aspects of society. Before Tuesday, I would have said they were spouting shit, now we have to keep an eye on them.

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Myron Falwell (no relation)  Nov 11, 2016 • 2:42:13pm

re: #293 Stanley Sea

Job well done

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Well it’s not like CNN wanted a conflict of interest or something like that.
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HappyWarrior  Nov 11, 2016 • 2:43:06pm

re: #302 A Cranky One

Just got off the phone with my mom and I’m so angry I could spit.

My sister’s husband is of Iranian descent. They’ve lived in the same suburb of Denver for many years, raised their family there and attend a local Christian church. Both are retired school teachers (both won Teacher of the Year awards several times) and are active in helping the less fortunate in the community.

My mother says they’ve started getting death threats for being “dirty Muslims”. From people in their subdivision. Their neighbors of many years. This is what Trump has done to the country.

I thought I couldn’t detest Trump more than I did. Turns out I was wrong.

I’m worried about my boss. He like your brother in law is Iranian-American. He fortunately lives and works in a more liberal area than I live but still. We had a nice talk about the election today though. I told him how disillusioned I felt in 2004 when Bush won, he and I both agreed that this time was more shocker. That’s the thing. Immigrants are our co-worrkers and in my case even family.

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Belafon  Nov 11, 2016 • 2:43:32pm

re: #279 Blind Frog Belly White

A point worth considering:

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Midwestern, PoC, progressive. Muslim, but with a nice, nonscary name.

The Democratic Party is the party of everyone who doesn’t identify as a Straight White Christian (not that there aren’t plenty of Democrats who are straight white Christians, but that’s not how they identify). We cannot become the party of the Straight White Christian identifiers, without losing our soul as the party of American diversity. So we shouldn’t try.

How about Obama? He’s an organizer, has the ability to talk to people, and putting him on TV would give him the ability to poke Trump all the time. Plus, he’s not going to be doing anything else.

And yes, I know this is fantasy.

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Myron Falwell (no relation)  Nov 11, 2016 • 2:44:36pm

re: #295 Ziggy_TARDIS

That’s true for a public face, but we need a ground level organizer.

I want co-chairs. Ellison as public face, and Dean as the organizer.

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makeitstop  Nov 11, 2016 • 2:45:07pm

I’m old enough to remember when GHW Bush put his assets into a blind trust, and people said that wasn’t even enough.

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EPR-radar  Nov 11, 2016 • 2:45:47pm

re: #283 William Lewis

This is why being anti-gun costs elections because otherwise moderate Democrats will swallow the NRA lies. I know that most here hate hearing that but look at that map.

I’ve mentioned this before, but guns should be the easiest damn issue to deal with. It doesn’t involve religion, class, identity, or significant budgetary expenses.

It is impossible because the NRA has weaponized gun owner paranoia in this country.

And, no I’m not going to completely give up on this issue. I think most people who live in densely populated areas have had at least one encounter with a nutball who clearly should not be allowed to have guns. In my case, it was in LA where a rage-drunk driver most certainly would have taken shots at me if he’d had a loaded pistol in his glove box (as the NRA would wish).

Perhaps the idea that everyone can safely have guns is sustainable in rural areas. I wouldn’t know. But it is nonsense everywhere else.

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Nyet  Nov 11, 2016 • 2:46:02pm

re: #302 A Cranky One

Trump hasn’t done this to the country. It has been like that. You just didn’t see. Trump is the result of what your country is.

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TedStriker  Nov 11, 2016 • 2:46:39pm

re: #277 Backwoods_Sleuth

I’m calling it: Tensing’s gonna get off.

For killing an unarmed man on a bullshit stop.

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TedStriker  Nov 11, 2016 • 2:47:21pm

re: #284 darthstar

They got the White House back. That well is going to dry up fast. Chuck will be working at his namesake - Chuck E. Cheese - by the end of next year.

We’ve been saying that for months, but Chuck keeps failing up.

There is no God…

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Belafon  Nov 11, 2016 • 2:47:31pm

re: #283 William Lewis

This is why being anti-gun costs elections because otherwise moderate Democrats will swallow the NRA lies. I know that most here hate hearing that but look at that map.

If they’ll swallow NRA lies, they’ll swallow other lies.

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Jebediah, RBG  Nov 11, 2016 • 2:48:12pm

re: #294 JasonA

Me, too. Longest, most lucid nightmare ever…

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 11, 2016 • 2:49:01pm

re: #282 EPR-radar

Even if one buys the “economic distress” argument (which I don’t), the fact remains that Trump voters didn’t care about Trump being a hateful bigot who ran on a campaign of scapegoating ‘others’, and who is obviously and manifestly unfit for public office.

That’s ever so much better than Trump’s supporters all being white supremacists.//////

Trump supporters cover a range from hardcore KKK types to people who don’t believe he means it about Muslims, immigrants, etc but like his message about fighting a rigged system. The last are the ones who are movable. They voted for Obama in 2012 in PA and MI, and WI.

The problem is, a lot of them are tone deaf on diversity and privilege. They’re the ones who are prone to see ‘Black Lives Matter’ and reply that ‘All Lives Matter’ without thinking. They’re disinclined to accept that black Americans have very different experiences in dealing with the criminal justice system.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 11, 2016 • 2:49:56pm

re: #312 Nyet

Trump hasn’t done this to the country. It has been like that. You just didn’t see. Trump is the result of what your country is.

Hate to say it you’re right. It’s so very disillusioning though. I know it sounds naive but I thought we were better than that.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Nov 11, 2016 • 2:49:57pm

re: #317 Blind Frog Belly White

They can be taught gently. My parents would fall in that category, and they did learn.

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Myron Falwell (no relation)  Nov 11, 2016 • 2:50:03pm

re: #284 darthstar

They got the White House back. That well is going to dry up fast. Chuck will be working at his namesake - Chuck E. Cheese - by the end of next year.

I know Chuck E. Cheese allows beer sales, but they shouldn’t be THAT trashy. 🙀

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Nov 11, 2016 • 2:50:34pm

re: #309 Myron Falwell (no relation)

I’ve seen a few say that. Is there a way to make a campaign of sorts for that?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 11, 2016 • 2:51:54pm

re: #313 TedStriker

I’m calling it: Tensing’s gonna get off.

For killing an unarmed man by shooting him in the back head as he fled on a bullshit stop.

Fixed for accuracy.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 11, 2016 • 2:53:22pm
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A Cranky One  Nov 11, 2016 • 2:53:40pm

re: #312 Nyet

Trump hasn’t done this to the country. It has been like that. You just didn’t see. Trump is the result of what your country is.

I disagree. Oh, the racism and xenophobia surely existed, but it wasn’t so open or vicious. Trump has mainstreamed that hate and given people license to express it, something that wasn’t present before his candidacy.

Yes, my sister and her family has experienced problems in the past. But not to the point where they were afraid to leave the house. Trump changed that.

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Nyet  Nov 11, 2016 • 2:54:48pm

re: #324 A Cranky One

To express the impulses that had already been there.

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JasonA  Nov 11, 2016 • 2:55:01pm
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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Nov 11, 2016 • 2:55:42pm

re: #325 Nyet

To express the impulses that had already been there.

Normalization is a change. I’m not going to claim the impulses are new, but the outward expression because there is no fear of consequences for their actions …yeah, that’s new.

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A Cranky One  Nov 11, 2016 • 2:56:41pm

re: #327 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Normalization is a change. I’m not going to claim the impulses are new, but the outward expression because there is no fear of consequences for their actions …yeah, that’s new.

This.

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JasonA  Nov 11, 2016 • 2:56:55pm

re: #326 JasonA

How are you dumb enough to do that in front of a witness? If they just assume that all of us white people are like them then they are making a terrible mistake.

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Nyet  Nov 11, 2016 • 2:57:15pm

re: #327 klys (maker of Silmarils)

re: #328 A Cranky One

Point taken.

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BeachDem  Nov 11, 2016 • 2:57:32pm

And now Omarosa is threatening Mitt Romney. Good times.

Her original obnoxious quote: “Every critic, every detractor, will have to bow down to President Trump,” Manigault said during a Frontline interview in September. “It’s everyone who’s ever doubted Donald, who ever disagreed, who ever challenged him. It is the ultimate revenge to become the most powerful man in the universe.”

And now…

“Let’s just say,” she continued, “the list of people who’ve turned on him, who’ve gone from friend to foe, is so incredibly long. The list of people who have mocked him—I mean, Mitt Romney held an entire press conference, and gave a 20 minute speech calling Donald Trump a con man and a fraud.”

Manigault went on to say Romney is the “one person who should read that quote over and over again.”

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JasonA  Nov 11, 2016 • 2:58:09pm

re: #331 BeachDem

And now Omarosa is threatening Mitt Romney. Good times.

Her original obnoxious quote: “Every critic, every detractor, will have to bow down to President Trump,” Manigault said during a Frontline interview in September. “It’s everyone who’s ever doubted Donald, who ever disagreed, who ever challenged him. It is the ultimate revenge to become the most powerful man in the universe.”

And now…

“Let’s just say,” she continued, “the list of people who’ve turned on him, who’ve gone from friend to foe, is so incredibly long. The list of people who have mocked him—I mean, Mitt Romney held an entire press conference, and gave a 20 minute speech calling Donald Trump a con man and a fraud.”

Manigault went on to say Romney is the “one person who should read that quote over and over again.”

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THIS
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Nyet  Nov 11, 2016 • 2:58:18pm

Basically that what the election where shamelessness won, then.

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Joe Bacon  Nov 11, 2016 • 2:59:37pm
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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Nov 11, 2016 • 3:00:26pm

re: #330 Nyet

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Lidane  Nov 11, 2016 • 3:00:44pm

re: #334 Joe Bacon

Trump’s full of shit as usual. His own transition website makes it clear the pre-existing conditions rule is going away:

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The Administration also will work with both Congress and the States to re-establish high-risk pools - a proven approach to ensuring access to health insurance coverage for individuals who have significant medical expenses and who have not maintained continuous coverage

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High-risk pools = more expensive insurance for people who are considered medically uninsurable - i.e., anyone with a pre-existing condition, or who develops an expensive disease like cancer.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 11, 2016 • 3:01:09pm

re: #334 Joe Bacon

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BeachDem  Nov 11, 2016 • 3:01:11pm

re: #332 JasonA

THIS
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NOT
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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 11, 2016 • 3:02:31pm

re: #338 BeachDem

Remember when a President who won reelection by a landslide was forced to resign not even 2 years later for abusing the power of the Presidency against political enemies?

Good times.

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Joe Bacon  Nov 11, 2016 • 3:02:44pm

re: #336 Lidane

Trump’s full of shit as usual. His own transition website makes it clear the pre-existing conditions rule is going away:

greatagain.gov

” The Administration also will work with both Congress and the States to re-establish high-risk pools - a proven approach to ensuring access to health insurance coverage for individuals who have significant medical expenses and who have not maintained continuous coverage.”

High-risk pools = more expensive insurance for people who are considered medically uninsurable - i.e., anyone with a pre-existing condition, or who develops an expensive disease like cancer.

What could be more Ayn Randian than codifying “survival of the fittest” into law?

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HappyWarrior  Nov 11, 2016 • 3:03:42pm

re: #326 JasonA

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William Lewis  Nov 11, 2016 • 3:04:12pm

re: #327 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Normalization is a change. I’m not going to claim the impulses are new, but the outward expression because there is no fear of consequences for their actions …yeah, that’s new.

This is why I keep saying the rest of have to become a Resistance - doing things like VB #1 in this thread & proving we are not all like “them”.

We must all be Mexican & Muslim. We must all oppose this regime.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 11, 2016 • 3:04:22pm

re: #334 Joe Bacon

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But I thought it was a DISASTER!

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Myron Falwell (no relation)  Nov 11, 2016 • 3:04:26pm

re: #312 Nyet

Trump hasn’t done this to the country. It has been like that. You just didn’t see. Trump is the result of what your country is.

Agreed. Doesn’t mean we shouldn’t be mad AF, but Trump is merely the personalization of this far-right thought process and lifestyle.

It may not have mattered WHO the GOP nominated, even as the other 15 candidates had far lesser degrees of theocratic thought and were more disciplined. The RWNJs were going to rise up anyway.

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gocart mozart  Nov 11, 2016 • 3:04:56pm
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freetoken  Nov 11, 2016 • 3:05:29pm

re: #312 Nyet

Trump hasn’t done this to the country. It has been like that. You just didn’t see. Trump is the result of what your country is.

There’s a feedback loop involved, too.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Nov 11, 2016 • 3:05:57pm

re: #342 William Lewis

This is why I keep saying the rest of have to become a Resistance - doing things like VB #1 in this thread & proving we are not all like “them”.

We must all be Mexican & Muslim. We must all oppose this regime.

I sure hope the moderate Dems are willing to step up and join. Even if that registry means they might risk their precious guns.

(You know it’s coming, that the undesirable groups will start to see restrictions on their second amendment rights.)

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Nyet  Nov 11, 2016 • 3:06:25pm

I guess, what I wanted to express is that these people are willing accomplices. It’s what Trump and a huge chunk of the Americans have done. He is on the high end of the power differential, so yeah, he has shown the way, served as a crystallization point, it’s undeniable. Could not have happened without so many willing to follow though. That’s the most depressing part.

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nines09  Nov 11, 2016 • 3:06:46pm

Off to see some live music with my wife. I hope I’m lifted. I’ve seen and heard great music and musicians and poets and madmen in my life. 2016 sucks. Leonard Cohen talked to me many times. He’s not for everyone, but without variety, what would it taste like? You know them songs, that when you are feeling down, seem to fit your little pity party? Then you have the ones that scream at you in a visceral way that you think only you can hear? They are dancing on the edge, and it’s not a pretty fall?

Yes. I do. Off to try and be distracted. My wife is a saint. Glad she rescued me 40 plus years ago. Hope I don’t bore her. And you all. Thanks for just being here.

Leonard Cohen The Future lyrics

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Joe Bacon  Nov 11, 2016 • 3:07:25pm

re: #314 TedStriker

We’ve been saying that for months, but Chuck keeps failing up.

There is no God…

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As long as the Right Wing Bullshit Machine finds Ginger Snapped useful they will keep him around. When he’s no longer of any use to them they will flush him down the john…

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thedopefishlives  Nov 11, 2016 • 3:08:37pm

re: #349 nines09

And I am going to be off to a comedy show here in a couple of hours. Also of note - I already received the check from my insurance for the pile of junk that used to be my car. Surprisingly, I actually got more than enough to cover the remainder of my loan! I have enough for a down payment on a respectable new(ish) car.

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wrenchwench  Nov 11, 2016 • 3:08:40pm

{{{A Mom Anon}}}, wherever you are, I’m sure you could use one of these.

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gocart mozart  Nov 11, 2016 • 3:10:03pm

The people in Germany in the 1930’s were perfectly “normal” too. They had the excuse of real economic hardship. What is America’s excuse? Do we lack the character of those Germans who only gave Hitler 38% of the vote?

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Joe Bacon  Nov 11, 2016 • 3:11:34pm

Oh my my…

A picture is worth a thousand words…
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 11, 2016 • 3:12:13pm
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Myron Falwell (no relation)  Nov 11, 2016 • 3:13:10pm

re: #331 BeachDem

And now Omarosa is threatening Mitt Romney. Good times.

Her original obnoxious quote: “Every critic, every detractor, will have to bow down to President Trump,” Manigault said during a Frontline interview in September. “It’s everyone who’s ever doubted Donald, who ever disagreed, who ever challenged him. It is the ultimate revenge to become the most powerful man in the universe.”

And now…

“Let’s just say,” she continued, “the list of people who’ve turned on him, who’ve gone from friend to foe, is so incredibly long. The list of people who have mocked him—I mean, Mitt Romney held an entire press conference, and gave a 20 minute speech calling Donald Trump a con man and a fraud.”

Manigault went on to say Romney is the “one person who should read that quote over and over again.”

rawstory.com

I always figured Omarosa to be an a-hole, but this is a new level of a-hole-ism.

She legitimately needs professional help.

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thedopefishlives  Nov 11, 2016 • 3:13:23pm

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HappyWarrior  Nov 11, 2016 • 3:13:40pm

re: #353 gocart mozart

The people in Germany in the 1930’s were perfectly “normal” too. They had the excuse of real economic hardship. What is America’s excuse? Do we lack the character of those Germans who only gave Hitler 38% of the vote?

What’s even worse is those Germans were new to the whole representative government thing. How the hell did we do this? Why the hell did we do this?

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BeachDem  Nov 11, 2016 • 3:13:42pm

And as Trump surrogates threaten people who do not bow down to Trump, Robby Mook’s thank you email says:

The dust is still settling from Tuesday’s election, and we don’t have all the answers yet. But for now, here are a few things to consider:

Run for office. If we’ve learned anything from our candidate, it’s that the best way to make change is simply to go out and do it. Get involved in a local or municipal race, whatever it takes to be that change you want to see in your community.

Get involved in your community in other ways. Join a board, help plan community days, volunteer with local progressive groups.

Fight for Democrats. Democrats across the country need your support now more than ever. They need your votes, if you live in their districts, but they also need your time and your resources to keep going.

Support women and girls. Reach out to the women and girls in your family and other circles and let them know that you value and support them. Ask them what their dreams are — then help them get there however you can.

Promote love and kindness where you live. Hillary has lived her life with the words “Do all the good you can, by all the means you can, in all the ways you can” — and it’s up to us to carry on her work in our communities.

Damn it—crying again.

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freetoken  Nov 11, 2016 • 3:14:39pm

So ripe for corruption:

Trump Organization Says Billionaire’s Children to Run Firm

It will be up to Congress to investigate any irregularities. Do you think the incoming Republican Congress will do so?

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JasonA  Nov 11, 2016 • 3:15:15pm
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Republicans. Always finding victory in defeat.

That said, this is not the worst thing I have heard today so why the hell not.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Nov 11, 2016 • 3:15:24pm

re: #357 thedopefishlives

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HappyWarrior  Nov 11, 2016 • 3:15:36pm

re: #359 BeachDem

And as Trump surrogates threaten people who do not bow down to Trump, Robby Mook’s thank you email says:

Damn it—crying again.

You done good Robby. We will regret doing what we did on Tuesday before long. I hate to say it because it goes against so much of my moral code but I’m going to have a hard time sympathizing with Trump voters who get the short end when his policies either fail or work exactly how he intended them.

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JasonA  Nov 11, 2016 • 3:16:22pm

re: #360 freetoken

So ripe for corruption:

Trump Organization Says Billionaire’s Children to Run Firm

It will be up to Congress to investigate any irregularities. Do you think the incoming Republican Congress will do so?

American foreign policy. For sale to the highest bidders.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 11, 2016 • 3:16:23pm

re: #361 JasonA

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Republicans. Always finding victory in defeat.

That said, this is not the worst thing I have heard today so why the hell not.

Better than Flynn I guess but I think Flynn will probably get Nat Sec Adviser.

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Shiplord Kirel  Nov 11, 2016 • 3:17:07pm

re: #312 Nyet

Trump hasn’t done this to the country. It has been like that. You just didn’t see. Trump is the result of what your country is.

I’ve said for quite a while that the base was driving the politicians, and not the other way around.

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JasonA  Nov 11, 2016 • 3:17:41pm

re: #360 freetoken

So ripe for corruption:

Trump Organization Says Billionaire’s Children to Run Firm

It will be up to Congress to investigate any irregularities. Do you think the incoming Republican Congress will do so?

Donald did tell us he makes the best deals.

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BeachDem  Nov 11, 2016 • 3:17:50pm

re: #360 freetoken

So ripe for corruption:

Trump Organization Says Billionaire’s Children to Run Firm

It will be up to Congress to investigate any irregularities. Do you think the incoming Republican Congress will do so?

Was that a rhetorical question?

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thedopefishlives  Nov 11, 2016 • 3:17:51pm

Oh, and just for the hell of it, behind the private tag (I hope!) is a picture of Mrs. Fish in front of the moldering wreckage.

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wrenchwench  Nov 11, 2016 • 3:18:27pm

re: #355 Backwoods_Sleuth

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So Angenette is a real name! When my nearest sister was a kid, she changed her name every week for a while. Her name is the one with the most variants and nicknames of all (Elizabeth) but that wasn’t enough, so she made some up. She stuck with Angenette for a couple of months.

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JasonA  Nov 11, 2016 • 3:18:59pm

re: #369 thedopefishlives

Holy crap!

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Shiplord Kirel  Nov 11, 2016 • 3:20:03pm

re: #366 Shiplord Kirel

I’ve said for quite a while that the base was driving the politicians, and not the other way around.

Addendum: RW politicos in particular don’t inspire, they pander.

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BeachDem  Nov 11, 2016 • 3:21:29pm

re: #364 JasonA

American foreign policy. For sale to the highest bidders.

Or to those who already hold Trump paper.

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Belafon  Nov 11, 2016 • 3:22:50pm

I just posted this to Facebook:

There are two things that worry me about this election. The first is immediate, and second is more long range. The hate has already begun to show itself. As a political junkie, I am already hearing reports of people being told this is “white America again”. A disabled person was told they needed to go because this is “Trump’s America.” Children have been told they’re going to have to leave. Swastikas have been left on businesses. A truck belonging to a transgender person was burned and Trumps name was spray painted on it. (Trump was supported by both the KKK - who released fliers in the South supporting him, and American Nazis, whose slogan “Make America Great Again” back in the 1930s).

While I would have liked for everyone to have voted for Clinton, I don’t really care about who you voted for. All I care about is that you oppose this bigotry. No human deserves to be treated this way. No faith says this is how others should be treated. No human should act like this toward another person. Do not let it go on, anywhere or it will get worse, and we’ll all be in danger.

The second thing that worries me are the changes that are about to come. Republicans have been stalling on judicial nominations, such as the Supreme Court, in order to put their people in and undo a lot of progress made over the last 75 years. There are some that hope to have Social Security, Medicare, and any other safety net program declared unconstitutional. For those more subtle, they want to have their changes declared OK. Let me explain.

In addition to repealing the Affordable Care Act (Obamacare), Paul Ryan, the speaker of the House, wants to use the opportunity to privatize Medicare. He likes to claim that Obamacare hurt Medicare, but it did the opposite: It extended its life without any other reforms by 11 years. Instead, what Ryan wants to do is give someone on Medicare a voucher to go into the same health care market working people are in. I guarantee you the voucher won’t increase each year at the rate insurance rates go up. Thus, each year, your health care will fall further and further behind. Plus, since you’re no longer purchasing through Medicare, it will no longer have the power to negotiate drug prices. Thus, costs will go up even faster.

The next thing they want to do is turn Medicaid into a block grant program to the states. What this means is that states get to spend it as they see fit. Sounds great, except that generally has been used throughout history to screw over one or more groups of people, normally minorities (did you know that the GI Bill, which was offered to military members after WW2, was created as a block grant program so that southern states could deny them to black service members?). Here are the two largest groups of Medicaid users: children, and the elderly, as a supplement to Medicare. Making it a block grant will allow states to choose who to cover, and as the federal government reduces the size of these grants, the states will be forced to choose. And what they’ll do, once again, is play it as minority children taking it away from your grandmothers, mothers, or you.

I worry about how people will be affected by these changes. Some of them will not affect me immediately, but they will affect people I know. And that bothers me.

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freetoken  Nov 11, 2016 • 3:22:52pm

Just don’t dare suggest bigotry is lurking here… just don’t dare do it…

Why did Trump win? Because Democrats stayed home

[…]

The Wall St. Journal presciently had focused on that region about a week before the election. Census data showed that during the past 15 years, counties in the region surrounding where Wisconsin, Minnesota, Iowa and Illinois meet had shown “among the fastest influxes of nonwhite residents of anywhere in the U.S.” — largely Latino immigrants starting to move into formerly all-white areas, they found.

Those same counties had shown great support for Trump in the GOP primaries. On election night, that area was where Trump made many of his biggest gains, accounting for his victories in Wisconsin and Iowa and the unexpectedly close result in Minnesota.

[…]

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Nyet  Nov 11, 2016 • 3:22:53pm

re: #361 JasonA

Hmm.

and has called for a tougher stance with Russia

Early to tell right now, but Putin may have a buyer’s remorse yet.

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EPR-radar  Nov 11, 2016 • 3:23:15pm

re: #325 Nyet

To express the impulses that had already been there.

It makes a difference when this shit is supported from the top.

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JasonA  Nov 11, 2016 • 3:23:53pm

re: #373 BeachDem

Or to those who already hold Trump paper.

They get a discount.

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gocart mozart  Nov 11, 2016 • 3:24:26pm

re: #366 Shiplord Kirel

Trump hasn’t done this to the country. It has been like that. You just didn’t see. Trump is the result of what your country is.

I’ve said for quite a while that the base was driving the politicians, and not the other way around.

The base is driving the politicians and the right wing propaganda machine is driving the base (Fox, Rush, Breitbart, Alex Jones) and now Ailes, Bannon and similar sociopaths will be running the country. The circle of hate is complete. Rinse and repeat.

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Nyet  Nov 11, 2016 • 3:24:57pm

re: #377 EPR-radar

Yes. See #348.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Nov 11, 2016 • 3:25:16pm

re: #369 thedopefishlives

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freetoken  Nov 11, 2016 • 3:25:55pm
Clinton lost not because of a Trump surge, but because she will end up with several million fewer votes than President Obama got in 2012.

As many of us here have been pointing out since Tuesday night.

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thedopefishlives  Nov 11, 2016 • 3:26:40pm

re: #381 klys (maker of Silmarils)

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ObserverArt  Nov 11, 2016 • 3:27:00pm

re: #126 Backwoods_Sleuth

and the week here in the Backwoods keeps going down the toilet.

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prairiefire  Nov 11, 2016 • 3:28:02pm

re: #289 klys (maker of Silmarils)

I was desperate for good cheese after two weeks in Japan.

Lol, when I’m with the Asian side of the family in HI, I craaave cheese. My brother in law craves mashed potatoes.

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Belafon  Nov 11, 2016 • 3:28:31pm

re: #382 freetoken

As many of us here have been pointing out since Tuesday night.

I’m going to suggest that we find these people and say “I wish you had voted last Tuesday, but, what we need now is for you to show up in 2018.”

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Nov 11, 2016 • 3:29:01pm

re: #383 thedopefishlives

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Skip Intro  Nov 11, 2016 • 3:29:48pm

re: #323 Backwoods_Sleuth

Surely CNN will hire Trump’s kids to fill in for losing Corey.

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Nyet  Nov 11, 2016 • 3:30:53pm

re: #388 Skip Intro

Surely CNN will hire Trump’s kids to fill in for losing Corey.

They can hire Trump himself. I mean, Chavez had a show.

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Skip Intro  Nov 11, 2016 • 3:31:26pm

re: #142 Mike Lamb

Will Melania Trump be the least involved/least visible first lady in history?

She’ll be busy polishing her diamonds.

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thedopefishlives  Nov 11, 2016 • 3:31:33pm

re: #387 klys (maker of Silmarils)

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Timothy Watson  Nov 11, 2016 • 3:32:57pm

The National - Fake Empire

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Stanley Sea  Nov 11, 2016 • 3:33:21pm

re: #369 thedopefishlives

Oh, and just for the hell of it, behind the private tag (I hope!) is a picture of Mrs. Fish in front of the moldering wreckage.

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Jebediah, RBG  Nov 11, 2016 • 3:34:02pm

re: #363 HappyWarrior

I’m going to have a hard time sympathizing with Trump voters who get the short end

Yeah, I’ll be saving my sympathy for folks who had the basic decency to not vote for a racist sexual predator.
If you voted for Trump, you fucking get what you get, and if you don’t like it, too fucking bad.

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Jebediah, RBG  Nov 11, 2016 • 3:35:46pm

re: #369 thedopefishlives

That car is going in too many directions at once.

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nines09  Nov 11, 2016 • 3:36:11pm

re: #369 thedopefishlives

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prairiefire  Nov 11, 2016 • 3:36:28pm

re: #393 Stanley Sea

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Was Mrs. Fish in a car accident? Yikes!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 11, 2016 • 3:38:56pm

MrBWS is home.

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prairiefire  Nov 11, 2016 • 3:38:59pm

re: #397 prairiefire

Was Mrs. Fish in a car accident? Yikes!

Just saw the photo, oh my goodness! I was hoping it wasn’t the older car you had been working on. (Dopefishfamily)

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Skip Intro  Nov 11, 2016 • 3:40:06pm

re: #274 JasonA

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Well I’m glad that’s all cleared up!

I don’t think any rules and regulations are applicable if they apply to Trump.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Nov 11, 2016 • 3:40:17pm

re: #398 Backwoods_Sleuth

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thedopefishlives  Nov 11, 2016 • 3:40:28pm

re: #399 prairiefire

Just saw the photo, oh my goodness! I was hoping it wasn’t the older car you had been working on. (Dopefishfamily)

Ahahaha, no. I would’ve committed seppuku if she had wrecked that thing. Of course, she probably wouldn’t BE here if she’d wrecked that thing, as 5000+ lbs of flipping car is probably not conducive to survival. Although it’d provide an interesting safety comparison between the big tank and the smaller, but safety-constructed daily driver.

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BlueSpotinAL  Nov 11, 2016 • 3:42:19pm

re: #77 Myron Falwell (no relation)

I would just as soon have deafening boos and openly turning their backs on him in unison.

But the RWNJs deified Joe Wilson with his “YOU LIE!”

Better than “You lie”, say “wrong” just like Alec Baldwin’s imitation of Trump.

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Skip Intro  Nov 11, 2016 • 3:43:45pm

re: #284 darthstar

They got the White House back. That well is going to dry up fast. Chuck will be working at his namesake - Chuck E. Cheese - by the end of next year.

Come on now. The right wing well supports hundreds of TV preachers, the advertisers on thousands of RW radio shows and web sites and the entire paranoid infrastructure of gun nuts who never stop buying more guns and ammo. It certainly can support a third tier grifter like CCJ.

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Jebediah, RBG  Nov 11, 2016 • 3:43:45pm

re: #398 Backwoods_Sleuth

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nines09  Nov 11, 2016 • 3:44:51pm

re: #398 Backwoods_Sleuth

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wrenchwench  Nov 11, 2016 • 3:45:40pm

re: #398 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Skip Intro  Nov 11, 2016 • 3:45:57pm

re: #287 Blind Frog Belly White

The Media pressed Trump repeatedly on the tax returns, the Trump Foundation, P*ss*-grabbing, lies, etc.

Enough voters in the right states voted for him anyway.

And he told them to fuck off and they said “ok”.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 11, 2016 • 3:46:03pm

re: #401 klys (maker of Silmarils)

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Skip Intro  Nov 11, 2016 • 3:46:38pm

re: #294 JasonA

You’re not alone.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Nov 11, 2016 • 3:47:31pm

re: #409 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 11, 2016 • 3:49:19pm

re: #408 Skip Intro

And he told them to fuck off and they said “ok”.

The biggest problem I have with the media is not that he wasn’t vetted, because he was and the stories got no traction. The problem I have is that they gave him so many hours of air time for free. That put him on the map, and let him get his message out.

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JasonA  Nov 11, 2016 • 3:49:20pm
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makeitstop  Nov 11, 2016 • 3:50:58pm

re: #376 Nyet

Hmm.

Early to tell right now, but Putin may have a buyer’s remorse yet.

I saw a story on Moscow Time today that pretty much said that.

The gist - they knew what they were getting if Clinton won, but they have no idea what Trump is going to do.

It might be simple ass-covering, might not.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 11, 2016 • 3:51:17pm

re: #411 klys (maker of Silmarils)

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Unshaken Defiance  Nov 11, 2016 • 3:51:38pm
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Skip Intro  Nov 11, 2016 • 3:53:11pm

re: #389 Nyet

They can hire Trump himself. I mean, Chavez had a show.

I wonder if all tv “news” shows will be required to run Trunmp’s tweets in a scroll at the bottom of the screen or lose access to him?

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 11, 2016 • 3:53:14pm

re: #410 Skip Intro

You’re not alone.

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makeitstop  Nov 11, 2016 • 3:53:34pm

re: #398 Backwoods_Sleuth

MrBWS is home.

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{{{both of you}}}

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 11, 2016 • 3:53:41pm
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Miami anti Trump rally just got huge. Taking over the street in downtown

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ObserverArt  Nov 11, 2016 • 3:53:56pm

re: #177 darthstar

Let me guess. You think BernieBros lost the election for Hillary. You need to invent a better bogeyman.

I don’t think Sergey was saying that at all. But for sure, they certainly did not help in the election, I know a few personally that either didn’t vote or went for nutcase Stein.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 11, 2016 • 3:55:42pm
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Skip Intro  Nov 11, 2016 • 3:55:53pm

re: #412 Blind Frog Belly White

The biggest problem I have with the media is not that he wasn’t vetted, because he was and the stories got no traction. The problem I have is that they gave him so many hours of air time for free. That put him on the map, and let him get his message out.

They made him seem normal by doing that and not refuting the bullshit he spewed every 60 seconds or so.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Nov 11, 2016 • 3:56:54pm

re: #422 Ziggy_TARDIS

And this accomplishes …what, exactly?

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ObserverArt  Nov 11, 2016 • 3:58:15pm

re: #199 Charles Johnson

The Rage Furby is feeling pretty cocky right now.

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Frankie Five Angels  Nov 11, 2016 • 3:58:53pm

re: #392 Timothy Watson

Great band. “Fake Empire” was used in some Obama campaign commercials in 2008.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Nov 11, 2016 • 3:58:59pm
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Ziggy_TARDIS  Nov 11, 2016 • 3:59:19pm

re: #426 klys (maker of Silmarils)

I need to vent.

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JasonA  Nov 11, 2016 • 4:01:07pm

re: #430 Ziggy_TARDIS

I need to vent.

Write a letter to the editors to the New York Times demanding serious reporting on the Trump administration. That might be a better vent to start.

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ObserverArt  Nov 11, 2016 • 4:01:30pm

re: #208 darthstar

So, is Hillary going to run again in 2020? She came damn close to beating Trump.

Extremely doubtful. Hillary is smart, she knows her ‘baggage’ is an issue. And you do too, you held it against her early on.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Nov 11, 2016 • 4:01:30pm

re: #430 Ziggy_TARDIS

I need to vent.

I don’t think this is really accomplishing what you think it is, but okay. Maybe you do actually feel better after you get yourself worked up over arguments that change no one’s mind on the Internet.

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Timothy Watson  Nov 11, 2016 • 4:02:00pm

re: #428 Frankie Five Angels

Great band. “Fake Empire” was used in some Obama campaign commercials in 2008.

Wasn’t aware of that, I picked it up from an episode of Southland and it was on an episode of Person of Interest their final season.

I also loved The National’s rendition of “The Rains of Castamere” on Game of Thrones.

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Nyet  Nov 11, 2016 • 4:03:27pm
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But BernieBros are a myth or something.
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Frankie Five Angels  Nov 11, 2016 • 4:04:39pm

re: #434 Timothy Watson

Have you heard their cover of the Grateful Dead’s “Morning Dew”?

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 11, 2016 • 4:05:16pm

re: #432 ObserverArt

Extremely doubtful. Hillary is smart, she knows her ‘baggage’ is an issue. And you do too, you held it against her early on.

I think she knew this was her last shot. She did all she could, and won the popular vote by 1-2 Million votes. I think she stays home and plays with her grandchildren. She’s given enough.

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Frankie Five Angels  Nov 11, 2016 • 4:05:33pm

re: #434 Timothy Watson

The National - ‘Morning Dew’

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EmmaAnne  Nov 11, 2016 • 4:05:47pm

re: #408 Skip Intro

And he told them to fuck off and they said “ok”.

Yep. Asking questions isn’t vetting. Getting the answers is vetting. We haven’t seen his tax returns. We don’t know who he owes money to. We don’t know what business he has done in Russia. He has not been vetted.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Nov 11, 2016 • 4:06:01pm

re: #435 Nyet

People like that aren’t interested in a conversation. They’re not interested in fixing anything. They’re interested in saying “I told you so” and pretending they don’t bear any blame. Fuck that. We all have our share of the blame.

Sigh.

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prairiefire  Nov 11, 2016 • 4:06:11pm

re: #435 Nyet

A Russian customer of mine congratulated me on the results of our election. I said “thanks, but I didn’t vote for him.” She dropped the subject. Sometimes she is more articulate in English than others.

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Nyet  Nov 11, 2016 • 4:06:47pm

re: #437 Blind Frog Belly White

She fought a good fight.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Nov 11, 2016 • 4:07:25pm

re: #437 Blind Frog Belly White

I think she knew this was her last shot. She did all she could, and won the popular vote by 1-2 Million votes. I think she stays home and plays with her grandchildren. She’s given enough.

I haven’t heard any suggestions anywhere that she’s going to run anyway, which makes the question sound a lot more like passive-aggressive bitterness than anything else.

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Timothy Watson  Nov 11, 2016 • 4:07:37pm

re: #436 Frankie Five Angels

Have you heard their cover of the Grateful Dead’s “Morning Dew”?

I hadn’t heard it until you mentioned it. I think I had heard about that album on SiriusXM’s Alternative or Indie channel.

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Nyet  Nov 11, 2016 • 4:08:10pm

re: #443 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Of course it was.

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EPR-radar  Nov 11, 2016 • 4:08:41pm

re: #413 JasonA

That quiz was very disappointing. I took it and none of the questions asked for a choice between normal food (D) and deep fried whole human baby (R).

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Stanley Sea  Nov 11, 2016 • 4:10:30pm

From Amanda Marcotte, on salon.com:

“We cannot, it turns out, square the notion that a woman can be both ambitious and good. Ambition continues to be seen as an unnatural quality in a woman, an indication that she must be a wicked witch casting spells to destroy … any woman who has risen so high must have darkness in her soul. If we cannot find it, we will invent it.”

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JasonA  Nov 11, 2016 • 4:11:19pm
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The death of us all.

He put your reporters in cages, for Christ’s sake.

Edit: Well, they were more like pens, right? Whatever.

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Sionainn, the Nasty Devilbitch  Nov 11, 2016 • 4:11:42pm

re: #347 klys (maker of Silmarils)

I sure hope the moderate Dems are willing to step up and join. Even if that registry means they might risk their precious guns.

(You know it’s coming, that the undesirable groups will start to see restrictions on their second amendment rights.)

Was talking to my brother and mentioned that people were talking about registering themselves as ____ if registration ever becomes a requirement. His response, “Hmmm, that just might work.” LOL. I’d do it in a heartbeat.

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Skip Intro  Nov 11, 2016 • 4:12:13pm

Today in science news.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 11, 2016 • 4:12:33pm

re: #429 Ziggy_TARDIS

you aren’t going to make one lick of difference to someone who rants about “wigs”.
If it makes you feel better, carry on, but don’t drag it over here. You are arguing with an eejit.

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Nyet  Nov 11, 2016 • 4:13:15pm

re: #447 Stanley Sea

Hey Stanley Sea, turns out that that speculative bit about Obama trying to convince Trump not to get rid of ACA wholesale may have been true after all :P

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EPR-radar  Nov 11, 2016 • 4:13:42pm

re: #424 Skip Intro

They made him seem normal by doing that and not refuting the bullshit he spewed every 60 seconds or so.

The MSM should have covered Trump like this:

1) No analysis of his policy statements. Instead, just do a one-time analysis to show that he says whatever he thinks his audience wants to hear. That suffices to make all further Trump statements irrelevant.

2) With the coverage time thereby freed up, cover Trump’s innumerable disqualifying character flaws.

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Skip Intro  Nov 11, 2016 • 4:14:01pm

re: #448 JasonA

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The death of us all.

He put your reporters in cages, for Christ’s sake.

Yeah but he didn’t put the executives in them. Reporters are expendable, executives aren’t unless they fail to meet quarterly profit goals.

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Frankie Five Angels  Nov 11, 2016 • 4:14:57pm

re: #452 Nyet

I just saw that on Tweety. Of course, you can’t get rid of the mandate if you want to let people with pre-existing conditions to keep their plans.

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EPR-radar  Nov 11, 2016 • 4:15:44pm

re: #430 Ziggy_TARDIS

I need to vent.

Congratulations, you found an idiot on the internet. Is there a shortage of these?

Dragging your private twitter war here won’t help anyone.

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Nyet  Nov 11, 2016 • 4:15:50pm

re: #455 Frankie Five Angels

A bit of flattery, a bit of fake respect, and you can influence that big baby.

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Timothy Watson  Nov 11, 2016 • 4:16:10pm

re: #455 Frankie Five Angels

I just saw that on Tweety. Of course, you can’t get rid of the mandate if you want to let people with pre-existing conditions to keep their plans.

Sure you can, rates will double overnight and it will be all Obama’s fault.

/// (really, do I have to?)

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Skip Intro  Nov 11, 2016 • 4:17:16pm

re: #455 Frankie Five Angels

I just saw that on Tweety. Of course, you can’t get rid of the mandate if you want to let people with pre-existing conditions to keep their plans.

The entire foundation of the health insurance industry is to never sell a policy to anyone who might use it.

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Edge of a dream AKA Cankles Mccellulite  Nov 11, 2016 • 4:17:57pm

It is really sad that when I saw that video of him talking about grabbing puswa I told my Mother he was going to win.

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Decatur Deb  Nov 11, 2016 • 4:19:00pm

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Nov 11, 2016 • 4:21:31pm

re: #461 Decatur Deb

a) I’ve never claimed not to be young (especially relative to a lot of Lizards), but I think it’s not just about youth. For a lot of people, this has been a shock. If you want to think me naive, that’s fine. I probably still have some level of that. I prefer to think of at least some of it as idealism.

b) I’d like the respect of keeping what I post under a private tag there. Please.

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Decatur Deb  Nov 11, 2016 • 4:23:06pm

re: #462 klys (maker of Silmarils)

a) I’ve never claimed not to be young (especially relative to a lot of Lizards), but I think it’s not just about youth. For a lot of people, this has been a shock. If you want to think me naive, that’s fine. I probably still have some level of that. I prefer to think of at least some of it as idealism.

b) I’d like the respect of keeping what I post under a private tag there. Please.

You’re not particularly naive, just young. Welcome to the fight.

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Scout  Nov 11, 2016 • 4:23:54pm

Folks, I need help with a (very) minor emergency.

I posted a message on Huffington Post. It didn’t even occur to me it was through Facebook. Now that post shows my name — which I don’t mind at all — but it also says “works at XXXXX” with my company name. That could conceivably cause me problems with my employer.

Does anyone know how to change that setting???

Yes, I know it was a mistake to post that message, but I just wasn’t thinking straight (still devastated by the “election”).

Thank you in advance.

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prairiefire  Nov 11, 2016 • 4:24:20pm

re: #461 Decatur Deb

NPR tv critic was on Fresh Air yesterday and he played a clip from a Mr. Rodger’s prime time special from 1968 when Daniel the striped tiger asked “what is assasination?” More directness and truth from our media, my god what has happened to them?

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 11, 2016 • 4:24:26pm

re: #455 Frankie Five Angels

I just saw that on Tweety. Of course, you can’t get rid of the mandate if you want to let people with pre-existing conditions to keep their plans.

Remember, back before it was Obamacare it was Romneycare, and the very people who called the Mandate an intolerable socialistic burden are the ones who came up with it, calling it the ‘individual responsibility mandate.

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Timothy Watson  Nov 11, 2016 • 4:24:30pm

(Language warning if you’re at work or something)

Unkle - When things explode HD

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EPR-radar  Nov 11, 2016 • 4:25:02pm

re: #461 Decatur Deb

Ah, youth.

I’m so old (and white, and straight) that I remember when a bullet tore off MLK’s face. And I already knew about us then.

I’m too young to have direct experience of the traumas of the 1960s. I had hoped that the progress made then would be permanent (although incomplete).

Trump’s election has made it crystal clear that no progress is permanent. Trump’s first 100 days could see the dismantling/gutting of the entire safety net, and an end to all federal civil rights activity, and for these Republicans that would merely be a good start.

Look at what happened to anti-trust law. All kinds of useful laws are on the books regarding trusts and monopolies, and total lack of enforcement has made them all a dead letter.

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Timothy Watson  Nov 11, 2016 • 4:25:28pm

re: #464 Scout

Folks, I need help with a (very) minor emergency.

I posted a message on Huffington Post. It didn’t even occur to me it was through Facebook. Now that post shows my name — which I don’t mind at all — but it also says “works at XXXXX” with my company name. That could conceivably cause me problems with my employer.

Does anyone know how to change that setting???

Yes, I know it was a mistake to post that message, but I just wasn’t thinking straight (still devastated by the “election”).

Thank you in advance.

It’s in the privacy settings, and it might be that it’s showing just for you. You might want to open an incognito tab and see how the comment is displayed.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 11, 2016 • 4:26:13pm

re: #465 prairiefire

NPR tv critic was on Fresh Air yesterday and he played a clip from a Mr. Rodger’s prime time special from 1968 when Daniel the striped tiger asked “what is assasination?” More directness and truth from our media, my god what has happened to them?

They got pummelled for decades for reporting the truth, so they retreated from telling the truth and settled for balance. And it didn’t matter one bit.

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Edge of a dream AKA Cankles Mccellulite  Nov 11, 2016 • 4:26:16pm

re: #466 Blind Frog Belly White

I wanted to post a thank you to Hillary Clinton on FB, and wish

Remember, back before it was Obamacare it was Romneycare, and the very people who called the Mandate an intolerable socialistic burden are the ones who came up with it, calling it the ‘individual responsibility mandate.

STOP MAKING SENSE! That is not allowed in this country any more.

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prairiefire  Nov 11, 2016 • 4:26:21pm

re: #465 prairiefire

NPR tv critic was on Fresh Air yesterday and he played a clip from a Mr. Rodger’s prime time special from 1968 when Daniel the striped tiger asked “what is assasination?” More directness and truth from our media, my god what has happened to them?

Delete the message, ask to have it deleted? Change your Facebook profile to “works at: hardly working.” That shits for real, you have to be careful.

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Sionainn, the Nasty Devilbitch  Nov 11, 2016 • 4:27:32pm

re: #464 Scout

Folks, I need help with a (very) minor emergency.

I posted a message on Huffington Post. It didn’t even occur to me it was through Facebook. Now that post shows my name — which I don’t mind at all — but it also says “works at XXXXX” with my company name. That could conceivably cause me problems with my employer.

Does anyone know how to change that setting???

Yes, I know it was a mistake to post that message, but I just wasn’t thinking straight (still devastated by the “election”).

Thank you in advance.

That post should show up on your page, which means you can delete it.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 11, 2016 • 4:28:30pm

re: #464 Scout

Folks, I need help with a (very) minor emergency.

I posted a message on Huffington Post. It didn’t even occur to me it was through Facebook. Now that post shows my name — which I don’t mind at all — but it also says “works at XXXXX” with my company name. That could conceivably cause me problems with my employer.

Does anyone know how to change that setting???

Yes, I know it was a mistake to post that message, but I just wasn’t thinking straight (still devastated by the “election”).

Thank you in advance.

Go into settings and delete your works at info.

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gocart mozart  Nov 11, 2016 • 4:28:43pm
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Skip Intro  Nov 11, 2016 • 4:30:50pm

This is the way health insurance works now under the ACA.

Judge is asked to stop Anthem from ending out-of-network coverage for 500,000 Californians

A consumer group has asked a judge to immediately stop Anthem Blue Cross from switching 500,000 Californians to health plans offering no coverage for out-of-network care.

The dispute is over a change Anthem made to its 2017 plans known as preferred provider organizations, or PPOs, throughout much of the state.

In court papers filed this week, Santa Monica-based Consumer Watchdog said that Anthem broke the law by not properly informing consumers that it had changed the plan to one that no longer pays for any portion of care provided by out-of-network doctors and hospitals.

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I can hardly wait to see what TrumpNoCare is like.

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BeachDem  Nov 11, 2016 • 4:31:21pm

re: #437 Blind Frog Belly White

I think she knew this was her last shot. She did all she could, and won the popular vote by 1-2 Million votes. I think she stays home and plays with her grandchildren. She’s given enough.

I think she’ll do that for awhile, then find a cause that’s right for her—I’d guess involving women and children, and devote her energies to that.

Maybe the vicious folks who’ve been dogging her for years will finally let her live in peace. I think she deserves to.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Nov 11, 2016 • 4:31:21pm

re: #177 darthstar

Let me guess. You think BernieBros lost the election for Hillary. You need to invent a better bogeyman.

Who did they vote for?

Yeah. Exactly.

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Skip Intro  Nov 11, 2016 • 4:31:36pm

re: #475 gocart mozart

Or reports it?

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darthstar  Nov 11, 2016 • 4:31:46pm

re: #464 Scout

Folks, I need help with a (very) minor emergency.

I posted a message on Huffington Post. It didn’t even occur to me it was through Facebook. Now that post shows my name — which I don’t mind at all — but it also says “works at XXXXX” with my company name. That could conceivably cause me problems with my employer.

Does anyone know how to change that setting???

Yes, I know it was a mistake to post that message, but I just wasn’t thinking straight (still devastated by the “election”).

Thank you in advance.

Go to your facebook privacy settings

Privacy basics link: facebook.com

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Edge of a dream AKA Cankles Mccellulite  Nov 11, 2016 • 4:32:03pm

re: #476 JasonA

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HappyWarrior  Nov 11, 2016 • 4:33:23pm

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darthstar  Nov 11, 2016 • 4:33:23pm

re: #479 GlutenFreeJesus

Who did they vote for?

Yeah. Exactly.

I voted for Hillary. And were the rural counties of Michigan and Wisconsin and Pennsylvania and North Carolina really Bernie-bro hubs? I thought they were mostly white college kids.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Nov 11, 2016 • 4:34:04pm

I didn’t think it needed to be said, but apparently it does. If I post something behind a private tag, please don’t quote it publicly without asking me. I don’t care if it doesn’t seem to have any identifying information. I absolutely realize that the private tag is to some extent merely for show, but that doesn’t make it feel any better to have it ignored.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Nov 11, 2016 • 4:35:03pm

re: #484 darthstar

White college kids… thought that was part of Bernie’s demographic.

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darthstar  Nov 11, 2016 • 4:35:18pm

re: #481 darthstar

Go to your facebook privacy settings

Privacy basics link: facebook.com

Also go to your about you page, update your profile and remove your workplace.

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Decatur Deb  Nov 11, 2016 • 4:37:02pm

re: #485 klys (maker of Silmarils)

I didn’t think it needed to be said, but apparently it does. If I post something behind a private tag, please don’t quote it publicly without asking me. I don’t care if it doesn’t seem to have any identifying information. I absolutely realize that the private tag is to some extent merely for show, but that doesn’t make it feel any better to have it ignored.

I’ve done that once to VB, too. Once a Private is opened (FF/Linux), it loses the cover, and looks Open when revisited. A software fix could obviate that.

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Nyet  Nov 11, 2016 • 4:37:38pm

re: #484 darthstar

TBH I haven’t thought of you as a BernieBro, even considering your Hill-trolling.
But if you insist…

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JasonA  Nov 11, 2016 • 4:38:24pm

re: #485 klys (maker of Silmarils)

I didn’t think it needed to be said, but apparently it does. If I post something behind a private tag, please don’t quote it publicly without asking me. I don’t care if it doesn’t seem to have any identifying information. I absolutely realize that the private tag is to some extent merely for show, but that doesn’t make it feel any better to have it ignored.

You know what, I actually did that a few weeks ago. What happens is after you click it there’s a real chance you forget it was private in the first place if you don’t reply to it right away. After several minutes It struck me and I went back and deleted it. Charles, is there any way a reminder could be added?

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HappyWarrior  Nov 11, 2016 • 4:39:00pm

Well my wingnut friend who fucking wrote in Harambe is getting all smug and shit at the protesters because you know conservatives never act that way. // These are people legitimately worried for their friends who could have their rights trampled on by a Trump administration.

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Scout  Nov 11, 2016 • 4:39:16pm

To all who offered help with my stupid Facebook problem on Huffington Post:

THANK YOU

I’m going to let it stand, and take the consequences.

I’m never going to post on any site via Facebook again.

Allow me to say again:

THANK YOU

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Decatur Deb  Nov 11, 2016 • 4:39:49pm

re: #490 JasonA

I’ll go back and delete the Private.

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Nyet  Nov 11, 2016 • 4:39:49pm

re: #491 Skip Intro

He hasn’t yet fallen. January…

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Nov 11, 2016 • 4:40:23pm

re: #494 Decatur Deb

I’ll go back and delete the Private.

Or you can stick private tags around it - Charles did tweak how the private works with the pencil now.

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Skip Intro  Nov 11, 2016 • 4:40:36pm

re: #477 Skip Intro

Here’s the kicker.

“Anthem, like any health insurance provider, is entitled to adjust its rates as needed on a yearly basis,” the company’s lawyers wrote. They attributed the change in coverage “to the general rise of healthcare costs.”

Last year, Anthem Inc. reported a profit of $2.6 billion.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 11, 2016 • 4:40:39pm

re: #486 GlutenFreeJesus

White college kids… thought that was part of Bernie’s demographic.

No, that’s the point darth’s making. The voters that turned the tide in PA, WI, and MI weren’t the white college kids who had supported Bernie. It was white rural, exurban, and outer suburban voters who had voted for Obama.

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goddamnedfrank  Nov 11, 2016 • 4:41:16pm

re: #464 Scout

Folks, I need help with a (very) minor emergency.

I posted a message on Huffington Post. It didn’t even occur to me it was through Facebook. Now that post shows my name — which I don’t mind at all — but it also says “works at XXXXX” with my company name. That could conceivably cause me problems with my employer.

Does anyone know how to change that setting???

Yes, I know it was a mistake to post that message, but I just wasn’t thinking straight (still devastated by the “election”).

Thank you in advance.

This is why Facebook is fucking cancer and I deactivated my account. I also removed the login password from my browser memory. If I ever want to go back, which I won’t, I’ll have to deliberately go digging for it in 1Password.

Words cannot fucking convey how fucking much I fucking hate fucking Facebook.

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Sionainn, the Nasty Devilbitch  Nov 11, 2016 • 4:42:36pm

re: #499 goddamnedfrank

This is why Facebook is fucking cancer and I deactivated my account. I also removed the login password from my browser memory. If I ever want to go back, which I won’t, I’ll have to deliberately go digging for it in 1Password.

Words cannot fucking convey how fucking much I fucking hate fucking Facebook.

You’re really Lewis Black, aren’t you?

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Nyet  Nov 11, 2016 • 4:43:44pm

FB is OK for:

1. Certain specific social functions.
2. Non-serious conversational ephemera.

It sucks at everything else.

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BeachDem  Nov 11, 2016 • 4:43:47pm

re: #461 Decatur Deb

Ah, youth.

I’m so old (and white, and straight) that I remember when a bullet tore off MLK’s face. And I already knew about us then.

I saw that too; and watched as they killed John and Bobby Kennedy—saw that one live as it happened. But in the aftermath of those things happening, the righteousness of their causes and the commitment of people to do good in the aftermath made it bearable.

But this one is a double whammy to me. I really wanted Hillary to be president, both because I truly admire her and thought she would be a good president, but also because now I will likely not see a woman president in my lifetime. And to know that someone as truly disgusting as Trump will not only be president, but has pulled the lid off the sewer that was always there, but somewhat contained, and let the absolute scum of the earth feel vindicated in their hate and aberrant behavior just makes me sick.

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PhillyPretzel  Nov 11, 2016 • 4:44:44pm

…

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Frankie Five Angels  Nov 11, 2016 • 4:45:11pm

re: #501 Nyet

It does let you find out who the RWNJs are in your family.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Nov 11, 2016 • 4:45:24pm

re: #494 Decatur Deb

Also, thank you. Apologies if I was brusque. Maybe just a tweak that text that was in a private tag appears a different color even after revealed?

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Nyet  Nov 11, 2016 • 4:46:18pm

re: #504 Frankie Five Angels

One of the social functions. *sigh*

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 11, 2016 • 4:46:34pm

Testing an hypothesis.

LsoBWlc9ZZ1gvbWxvo/s/Q==

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darthstar  Nov 11, 2016 • 4:46:57pm

re: #489 Nyet

TBH I haven’t thought of you as a BernieBro, even considering your Hill-trolling.
But if you insist…

I’ve been accused of being a BenrieBro, and a troll, and maybe some people think I’m the reason she lost. I’m okay with whatever helps people get through their grief.

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Scout  Nov 11, 2016 • 4:47:01pm

re: #501 Nyet

I’ve found Facebook terrific for keeping up with former colleagues.

I work at a company in Tokyo that has lots of wonderful people from all over the world who come for a while and then move on or move home.

That’s all I’ve used it for — until my stupid move today, that is.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 11, 2016 • 4:47:01pm

re: #507 Blind Frog Belly White

Testing an hypothesis.

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Test 1

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 11, 2016 • 4:47:23pm

re: #507 Blind Frog Belly White

Testing an hypothesis.

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Test 2

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goddamnedfrank  Nov 11, 2016 • 4:47:37pm

re: #501 Nyet

FB is OK for:

1. Certain specific social functions.
2. For non-serious conversational ephemera.

It sucks at everything else.

Facebook is fantastic for finding out exactly how many of the people you work or went to school with are horrible monsters. It’s like the internet version of the sunglasses from They Live.

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Decatur Deb  Nov 11, 2016 • 4:48:11pm

re: #502 BeachDem

I saw that too; and watched as they killed John and Bobby Kennedy—saw that one live as it happened. But in the aftermath of those things happening, the righteousness of their causes and the commitment of people to do good in the aftermath made it bearable.

But this one is a double whammy to me. I really wanted Hillary to be president, both because I truly admire her and thought she would be a good president, but also because now I will likely not see a woman president in my lifetime. And to know that someone as truly disgusting as Trump will not only be president, but has pulled the lid off the sewer that was always there, but somewhat contained, and let the absolute scum of the earth feel vindicated in their hate and aberrant behavior just makes me sick.

You can watch the kids playing together, and the (relatively) unafraid mixed-race Alabama couples. It will not all be lost.

Trump did a service by airing this out. He got 25% of the electorate, from all motives.

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Nyet  Nov 11, 2016 • 4:48:17pm

re: #508 darthstar

Different people will differently assess things.
I’d like to think most Bernie supporters were not BernieBros. That’s a very special kind.

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Timothy Watson  Nov 11, 2016 • 4:48:20pm

Okay, this is awful, but also hilarious:

Facebook Post

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 11, 2016 • 4:48:31pm

Okay - it doesn’t matter whether the text between the tags is visible or not when you quote the post. It appears as “[Embedded content]” either way.

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Timothy Watson  Nov 11, 2016 • 4:48:38pm

Fuck, did Facebook embedding break again?

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JasonA  Nov 11, 2016 • 4:49:31pm

re: #512 goddamnedfrank

Facebook is fantastic for finding out exactly how many of the people you work or went to school with are horrible monsters. It’s like the internet version of the sunglasses from They Live.

Dude,

I am so sorry that I can only upding that once.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Nov 11, 2016 • 4:49:37pm

re: #516 Blind Frog Belly White

Okay - it doesn’t matter whether the text between the tags is visible or not when you quote the post. It appears as “[Embedded content]” either way.

Right, but if you want to just quote an excerpt from the post, for example, and you copy and paste it …that protection fails.

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Decatur Deb  Nov 11, 2016 • 4:49:40pm

re: #505 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Also, thank you. Apologies if I was brusque. Maybe just a tweak that text that was in a private tag appears a different color even after revealed?

Or a revert of the [private] text tag.

De nada.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 11, 2016 • 4:50:17pm

re: #512 goddamnedfrank

Facebook is fantastic for finding out exactly how many of the people you work or went to school with are horrible monsters. It’s like the internet version of the sunglasses from They Live.

Try your best friend.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Nov 11, 2016 • 4:50:22pm
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I know some folks are sharing my love of this.

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goddamnedfrank  Nov 11, 2016 • 4:50:41pm

Had to tweet that one.

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Anymouse  Nov 11, 2016 • 4:50:54pm

Mr. Johnson, thanks for that video. Wow, that teenager is amazing.

Chatted with my neighbour today (the one who yesterday was hoping liberals and Slavs would be run out of the country).

He apologised for his over-the-top statement. I accepted that apology.

I then noted to him Paul Ryan’s little news dump on privatising Medicare and Mitch McConnell’s on repealing the ACA, meaning it is likely that if that happens, Medicare patients like his mother will be thrown off (pre-existing conditions).

His response? Why didn’t any Democrats come to Nebraska and talk about these things?

(As I noted yesterday, no campaigning or even advertising cedes all those electoral votes without a fight. Is Nebraska worth spending as much time in as Ohio or Wisconsin? Probably not. But that’s five more electoral votes you have to make up somewhere else. Three more for Wyoming. Three more for North Dakota. That’s scores of electoral votes Dems didn’t even try to compete for, nor build a party apparatus for future elections. Stand by for more gerrymandering after the 2018 elections.

This fellow has a college degree and is delivering newspapers for a living. His mother is on Social Security and Medicare and has Type 1 diabetes.

Good job ignoring us out here.

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JasonA  Nov 11, 2016 • 4:51:50pm

re: #522 klys (maker of Silmarils)

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I know some folks are sharing my love of this.

Just wish it was under happier circumstances.

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JasonA  Nov 11, 2016 • 4:53:34pm
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darthstar  Nov 11, 2016 • 4:53:55pm

re: #498 Blind Frog Belly White

No, that’s the point darth’s making. The voters that turned the tide in PA, WI, and MI weren’t the white college kids who had supported Bernie. It was white rural, exurban, and outer suburban voters who had voted for Obama.

Oh, so now it’s Obama’s fault? (actually, I had someone on Twitter actually blame Obama for forcing Hillary to go negative at the end, saying he and Bernie boxed her into it…talk about whaddafuk?)

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Nov 11, 2016 • 4:54:16pm

re: #525 JasonA

Just wish it was under happier circumstances.

Oh I agree. But I will take my laughs where I can find them these days.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 11, 2016 • 4:56:02pm

re: #485 klys (maker of Silmarils)

I didn’t think it needed to be said, but apparently it does. If I post something behind a private tag, please don’t quote it publicly without asking me. I don’t care if it doesn’t seem to have any identifying information. I absolutely realize that the private tag is to some extent merely for show, but that doesn’t make it feel any better to have it ignored.

I would further point out that there is really no need to quote a private tag comment, a straight forward “reply” will suffice.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 11, 2016 • 4:56:36pm

re: #512 goddamnedfrank

Facebook is fantastic for finding out exactly how many of the people you work or went to school with are horrible monsters. It’s like the internet version of the sunglasses from They Live.

I use it to remind myself that the face of racism isn’t always Merl from The Walking Dead, that they can be great guys who will give you the shirt off their back, etc.

Conversely, it reminds me that great guys who will give you the shirt off their back, etc. can also be racist.

And sometimes you learn shit that leaves you wondering, like how your cousin who posts shit from Breitbart and worse worked for equal pay and employment opportunity for women and blacks in the early 1960s.

Then he tells you blacks are stuck on the Democratic Plantation of dependency on social programs, and that’s why they generally vote >90% Democratic.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Nov 11, 2016 • 4:56:38pm

My new favorite:

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darthstar  Nov 11, 2016 • 4:56:39pm

re: #501 Nyet

FB is OK for:

1. Certain specific social functions.
2. Non-serious conversational ephemera.

It sucks at everything else.

Facebook is great for oversharing personal information…which is exactly what I use it for…like getting a free Brazilian with my surgery:

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Donkey With No Name  Nov 11, 2016 • 4:57:30pm

re: #524 Anymouse

Good job ignoring us out here.

At the risk of beating a dead horse, this is much better addressed to our friendly Mr. Buffett and the Dems in Omaha than to those of us a thousand miles away. Nebraskans can’t dislike Coastal Elites and then complain that selfsame elites aren’t saving them from themselves.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 11, 2016 • 4:57:42pm

re: #527 darthstar

Oh, so now it’s Obama’s fault? (actually, I had someone on Twitter actually blame Obama for forcing Hillary to go negative at the end, saying he and Bernie boxed her into it…talk about whaddafuk?)

That part was a joke, right?

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Decatur Deb  Nov 11, 2016 • 4:58:02pm

re: #526 JasonA

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Hate to see the Million Nothing March meme picked up by the Left. It can’t happen, and it makes us look as lame as the RWNJs who failed at that regularly. We get rid of Trump in 2020 if we work hard and are a little lucky.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 11, 2016 • 4:58:36pm

re: #532 darthstar

Facebook is great for oversharing personal information…which is exactly what I use it for…like getting a free Brazilian with my surgery:

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A brazillion what? Is that a lot?
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Barefoot Grin  Nov 11, 2016 • 4:58:42pm

re: #358 HappyWarrior

What’s even worse is those Germans were new to the whole representative government thing. How the hell did we do this? Why the hell did we do this?

And the pictures of money in wheel barrows was from the early 1920s. The economy was already improving and didn’t take the hit from the Great Depression (it took a hit, don’t get me wrong) that the US economy did. But the middle class had been nursing their wounds and were ready to sign on.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Nov 11, 2016 • 4:58:52pm

re: #524 Anymouse

I agree with you. We at least need to get our message out. By doing this, we may not win, but we will cause people to question their candidates.

I will be talking to a friend about this, and depending on what she says, I might go to my counties Democratic Party.

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JasonA  Nov 11, 2016 • 4:59:29pm
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Ziggy_TARDIS  Nov 11, 2016 • 4:59:46pm

re: #534 Blind Frog Belly White

I guarantee that is a joke.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Nov 11, 2016 • 5:01:23pm

re: #533 Donkey With No Name

I would suggest he drive his butt over there and talk to them directly. There is a friend I am doing Dawah for, to help people understand what Islam actually is. I may be travelling to rural Nebraska myself.

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TedStriker  Nov 11, 2016 • 5:02:10pm

re: #512 goddamnedfrank

Facebook is fantastic for finding out exactly how many of the people you work or went to school with are horrible monsters. It’s like the internet version of the sunglasses from They Live.

Without the awesome fight between Roddy Piper and Keith David.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 11, 2016 • 5:02:33pm

re: #541 Ziggy_TARDIS

I would suggest he drive his butt over there and talk to them directly. There is a friend I am doing Dawah for, to help people understand what Islam actually is. I may be travelling to rural Nebraska myself.

That’s actually a really good idea. Put a human face onto Islam.

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EPR-radar  Nov 11, 2016 • 5:05:41pm

re: #524 Anymouse

There needs to be a sustained 50-state effort that, at a minimum, ensures that no Republican runs for a House seat unopposed. The lack of support you’ve had from the party is a real problem, but the solutions have to be realistic. Hoping for miracles because a POTUS candidate visits the state once or twice (or even 100 times) isn’t realistic.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 11, 2016 • 5:05:47pm

re: #517 Timothy Watson

Fuck, did Facebook embedding break again?

apparently most FB people are dead today.
At least according to FB statuses…or so I’ve read on the internet.

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EPR-radar  Nov 11, 2016 • 5:07:34pm

re: #535 Decatur Deb

Hate to see the Million Nothing March meme picked up by the Left. It can’t happen, and it makes us look as lame as the RWNJs who failed at that regularly. We get rid of Trump in 2020 if we work hard and are a little lucky.

If we end up with massive sustained protests vs. Trump, I think it will end up being useful.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Nov 11, 2016 • 5:07:40pm

Trump is not politically savvy. I wonder if this would work.

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darthstar  Nov 11, 2016 • 5:08:04pm

re: #545 Backwoods_Sleuth

apparently most FB people are dead today.
At least according to FB statuses…or so I’ve read on the internet.

That’s it. I’m dead to me.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 11, 2016 • 5:08:38pm

re: #547 Ziggy_TARDIS

Trump is not politically savvy. I wonder if this would work.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 11, 2016 • 5:08:48pm

re: #545 Backwoods_Sleuth

apparently most FB people are dead today.
At least according to FB statuses…or so I’ve read on the internet.

We are all Morgan Freeman.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 11, 2016 • 5:09:52pm

re: #547 Ziggy_TARDIS

Trump is not politically savvy. I wonder if this would work.

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I think I’m gonna stop underestimating him.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 11, 2016 • 5:10:46pm

re: #548 darthstar

That’s it. I’m dead to me.

So, no self-deprecation. De mortuis nil nisi bonum and all that.

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Decatur Deb  Nov 11, 2016 • 5:11:07pm

re: #546 EPR-radar

If we end up with massive sustained protest vs. Trump, I think it will end up being useful.

How many porta-potties do 1,000,000 women need on January 21st?

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HappyWarrior  Nov 11, 2016 • 5:11:30pm

re: #551 Blind Frog Belly White

I think I’m gonna stop underestimating him.

Yep that’s why I’m not seeing 2020 as a shoe in. There are no guarantees in politics.

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Stanley Sea  Nov 11, 2016 • 5:13:16pm
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darthstar  Nov 11, 2016 • 5:13:20pm

re: #547 Ziggy_TARDIS

Trump is not politically savvy. I wonder if this would work.

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Trump could be the most bipartisan president we’ve had in decades if people were smart and played him right. Easy to manipulate, so long as it gets framed as ‘a deal’…especially if you tell him it’ll make him look good.

Oh, and the sky’s really pretty right now.

557
teleskiguy  Nov 11, 2016 • 5:14:53pm

2016 is a horrible year. One of my ski buddies died last night in Denver.

Fuck all.

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darthstar  Nov 11, 2016 • 5:15:13pm

re: #556 darthstar

Someone remind me to get that surfboard wax off my sunroof on the wagon. It’s been there for a few months now and screwed up a perfectly good reflection.

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darthstar  Nov 11, 2016 • 5:15:44pm

re: #557 teleskiguy

2016 is a horrible year. One of my ski buddies died last night in Denver.

Fuck all.

Aw, shit, man. I’m sorry to hear that.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 11, 2016 • 5:15:49pm

re: #557 teleskiguy

2016 is a horrible year. One of my ski buddies died last night in Denver.

Fuck all.

Sorry man. Condolences to you and all his loved ones.

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austin_blue  Nov 11, 2016 • 5:15:53pm

Can a couple of you Angelenos walk outside and tell me if there is super-bright celestial object in the southern sky about 15 degrees above the horizon?

(I swear to God I saw it, Mr. Cox, and I’m not a drinking man!)

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Nov 11, 2016 • 5:16:18pm

re: #557 teleskiguy

I’m sorry. :’(

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prairiefire  Nov 11, 2016 • 5:16:28pm

re: #553 Decatur Deb

How many porta-potties do 1,000,000 women need on January 21st?

A lot.

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Anymouse  Nov 11, 2016 • 5:16:42pm

re: #369 thedopefishlives

Oh, and just for the hell of it, behind the private tag (I hope!) is a picture of Mrs. Fish in front of the moldering wreckage.

A good part of her fortune was actually not: It was the safety regulations put on the automobile industry over the years that made cars simply much safer in horrible accidents (why when I hit a deer at sixty miles an hour with my Smart there was no damage to my car or us).

I am glad your wife came out okay.

I wonder how much “excessive government regulation” of the auto industry is going to go away now?

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Decatur Deb  Nov 11, 2016 • 5:18:10pm

re: #563 prairiefire

A lot.

You wouldn’t believe what 250,000 of us created on the Mall for the Rally to Preserve sanity. Oh, the humanity!!!

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EPR-radar  Nov 11, 2016 • 5:18:22pm

re: #553 Decatur Deb

How many porta-potties do 1,000,000 women need on January 21st?

I don’t know, but it is a simple question of logistics. Anything seems simple compared to how to proceed after Nov 8, 2016, a day that shall live in infamy…

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gocart mozart  Nov 11, 2016 • 5:18:45pm

Sheriff David A. Clark is being considered to head the Department of Homeland Security because of course he is.
jsonline.com

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Nov 11, 2016 • 5:18:56pm

re: #564 Anymouse

A good part of her fortune was actually not: It was the safety regulations put on the automobile industry over the years that made cars simply much safer in horrible accidents (why when I hit a deer at sixty miles an hour with my Smart there was no damage to my car or us).

I am glad your wife came out okay.

I wonder how much “excessive government regulation” of the auto industry is going to go away now?

Emissions and Corporate Average Fuel Economy regulations will go away first.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 11, 2016 • 5:19:40pm

re: #567 gocart mozart

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Sheriff Clarke is a fascist.

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EPR-radar  Nov 11, 2016 • 5:20:24pm

re: #569 HappyWarrior

Sheriff Clarke is a fascist.

He’s just more blatant about it than his fellow Republicans.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 11, 2016 • 5:22:17pm

re: #570 EPR-radar

He’s just more blatant about it than his fellow Republicans.

He’s technically a Dem I believe but yes.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 11, 2016 • 5:22:39pm

Trump is apparently seriously considering him for National Security Dep’t Head.

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Decatur Deb  Nov 11, 2016 • 5:22:55pm

re: #567 gocart mozart

These riots are not protest and should be quelled quickly. These goon anarchists do not believe in the US Constitution or the rule of law.

Hate it when Sheriff Asshole is right. That photo is (likely) Antifa/Black Bloc types. A half dozen of them will turn any peaceful demonstration into a media shitshow. (In at least one case, Genoa, they were police-orchestrated and got demonstrators killed.)

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Single-handed sailor  Nov 11, 2016 • 5:23:12pm

re: #561 austin_blue

Can a couple of you Angelenos walk outside and tell me if there is super-bright celestial object in the southern sky about 15 degrees above the horizon?

(I swear to God I saw it, Mr. Cox, and I’m not a drinking man!)

Surely you’re talking about Sirius.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 11, 2016 • 5:23:45pm

re: #573 Decatur Deb

Hate it when Sheriff Asshole is right. That photo is (likely) Antifa/Black Bloc types. A half dozen of them will turn any peaceful demonstration into a media shitshow. (In at least one case, Genoa, they were police-orchestrated and got demonstrators killed.)

He’s being going after all protesters though DD.

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Decatur Deb  Nov 11, 2016 • 5:25:49pm

re: #574 Single-handed sailor

Surely you’re talking about Sirius.

Shirley, it’s not Serious. (It’s a planet, visible here last night.)

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Decatur Deb  Nov 11, 2016 • 5:26:28pm

re: #575 HappyWarrior

He’s being going after all protesters though DD.

That’s the “Asshole” part.

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Barefoot Grin  Nov 11, 2016 • 5:26:34pm

re: #489 Nyet

TBH I haven’t thought of you as a BernieBro, even considering your Hill-trolling.
But if you insist…

It wouldn’t have hurt to listen to the honest people who Hill-trolled while still in support of her against the alternative. They knew her weaknesses.

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Sionainn, the Nasty Devilbitch  Nov 11, 2016 • 5:28:11pm

re: #535 Decatur Deb

Hate to see the Million Nothing March meme picked up by the Left. It can’t happen, and it makes us look as lame as the RWNJs who failed at that regularly. We get rid of Trump in 2020 if we work hard and are a little lucky.

I actually just got on travelocity to check into flights and a hotel to see if it’s feasible. It is.

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Charles Johnson  Nov 11, 2016 • 5:28:46pm
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austin_blue  Nov 11, 2016 • 5:30:49pm

re: #574 Single-handed sailor

Surely you’re talking about Sirius.

Sirius is bright, but this thing was Mag -5. Unless it was a trick of the atmosphere (and I live a 1/2 mile south of downtown) it wasn’t Sirius. Bright as a Maglite.

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gocart mozart  Nov 11, 2016 • 5:31:37pm

re: #580 Charles Johnson

See Sherif Clark, the black who hates black people.

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austin_blue  Nov 11, 2016 • 5:31:41pm

re: #576 Decatur Deb

Shirley, it’s not Serious. (It’s a planet, visible here last night.)

WAY out of the ecliptic. Nova?

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HappyWarrior  Nov 11, 2016 • 5:32:10pm

re: #577 Decatur Deb

That’s the “Asshole” part.

I thought it was because he opened his mouth.

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Decatur Deb  Nov 11, 2016 • 5:32:55pm

re: #579 Sionainn, the Nasty Devilbitch

I actually just got on travelocity to check into flights and a hotel to see if it’s feasible. It is.

No, talking about the overhype. Nobody, not the DoD, is putting a million people into DC in 10 weeks. The nutcases from Klayman’s circle kept up that BS with motorcycles, trucks, veterans, etc. It would be shameful if they had the capacity for shame.

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teleskiguy  Nov 11, 2016 • 5:33:03pm
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retired cynic  Nov 11, 2016 • 5:33:13pm

re: #239 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Did a little arithmetic. It takes ~712,000 people to cast one Electoral vote in California. In Wyoming, ~195,000. If you live in California, your vote is worth 27% of a vote in Wyoming. This needs to change.

That is enough to finish the Electoral College for me. Period. I’m signing all the things.

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Myron Falwell (no relation)  Nov 11, 2016 • 5:34:00pm

re: #571 HappyWarrior

He’s technically a Dem I believe but yes.

He’s a Democrat only when he’s up for reelection.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Nov 11, 2016 • 5:34:57pm

re: #587 retired cynic

I signed the petition.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 11, 2016 • 5:35:17pm

re: #554 HappyWarrior

Yep that’s why I’m not seeing 2020 as a shoe in. There are no guarantees in politics.

Here’s how I see him.

First, he has no political ideology at all. NeverTrump folks hated that about him. He’s not wedded to ANY of their core issues. He doesn’t care about small government, or any of the other Evangelical issues.

Second, for him speech is not about communicating. It’s about selling, making the deal, getting the ink on the line. His campaign speeches were so extreme because he was feeding off the crowd, because he needed them. He doesn’t need them now.

Third, everything is about domination, about winning. He attacks all opponents with everything he has at his disposal, until they’re beaten. Then he can be gracious. Why? Because he doesn’t mean it either way. Ryan and McConnell weren’t really beaten, and Ryan stood up to him publicly. He won’t forget that, not as long as they challenge his ultimate authority.

Fourth, he wants to be loved, and to be TOLD how great he is. He pays close attention to the polls. His proposed policies are actually not very popular, and so are Paul Ryan’s. “Repealing Obamacare” is popular. Returning the healthcare system to status quo ante is not.

Fifth, he has no loyalty to the GOP. None.

Sixth, his attention span is too short for him to get much depth of knowledge, but he excels at figuring out what works best FOR HIM.

He probably realizes that the people who put him in office are only a minority of the population, and now that he’s elected, he doesn’t need to keep them happy - what are they gonna do, unvote for him? Deportation forces will make him hugely unpopular, which he won’t like. OTOH, protests against him will threaten his dominance, which he’ll hate - how can he be the strongman if there are protestors defying him?

So, I keep coming back to him being completely unpredictable, but comforting myself with the knowledge that there’s no reason to think he means to do anything he said he’d do. Meanwhile, I drive myself bonkers with the knowledge that open defiance will enrage him, and he’ll be armed with the might of the United States.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 11, 2016 • 5:35:20pm

re: #588 Myron Falwell (no relation)

He’s a Democrat only when he’s up for reelection.

That’s why I said technically. Anyhow, criminal justice issues are going to be a big issue in the days to come. Saddens me that we get rid of Arpaio and we have Clarke replacing him pretty much as the wingnut dickhead sheriff from hell.

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Decatur Deb  Nov 11, 2016 • 5:35:32pm

re: #583 austin_blue

WAY out of the ecliptic. Nova?

Ours was a planet, extremely bright, with no scintillation. Checking astro sites.

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Sionainn, the Nasty Devilbitch  Nov 11, 2016 • 5:35:35pm

re: #585 Decatur Deb

No, talking about the overhype. Nobody, not the DoD, is putting a million people into DC in 10 weeks. The nutcases from Klayman’s circle kept up that BS with, motorcycles, trucks, veterans, etc. It would be shameful if they had the capacity for shame.

I don’t know that they’d get a million, but I’d be willing to bet a good 250,000. That’s not too shabby.

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gocart mozart  Nov 11, 2016 • 5:35:56pm
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Fuck it! Why not David Duke as Attorney General.
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Anymouse  Nov 11, 2016 • 5:35:58pm

re: #465 prairiefire

NPR tv critic was on Fresh Air yesterday and he played a clip from a Mr. Rodger’s prime time special from 1968 when Daniel the striped tiger asked “what is assasination?” More directness and truth from our media, my god what has happened to them?

I was listening to that show on Wyoming Public Radio yesterday driving home from Cheyenne.

Mr. Rogers was addressing to children what they were hearing around the dinner table and on television and did not understand.

NPR now is financed mostly by corporate foundations, you won’t hear that kind of stuff today.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 11, 2016 • 5:37:06pm

re: #594 gocart mozart

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Fuck it! Why not David Duke as Attorney General.

And this gets rewarded with cabinet talk. Clarke can fuck off for that pathetic statement. He knows BLM aren’t ISIS supporters but he knows who loves to hear that shit.

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Myron Falwell (no relation)  Nov 11, 2016 • 5:37:54pm

re: #567 gocart mozart

Sheriff David A. Clark is being considered to head the Department of Homeland Security because of course he is.
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He’ll need a bigger cowboy hat to contain that serious ego trip he’ll be on.

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Decatur Deb  Nov 11, 2016 • 5:38:10pm

re: #593 Sionainn, the Nasty Devilbitch

I don’t know that they’d get a million, but I’d be willing to bet a good 250,000. That’s not too shabby.

That’s roughly what we had for the Stewart/Colbert gig. Took a lot of logistics.

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austin_blue  Nov 11, 2016 • 5:38:15pm

re: #586 teleskiguy

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For you. Turn it up. Get tissues.

Adagio for Strings (Samuel Barber)

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gocart mozart  Nov 11, 2016 • 5:38:31pm
Saddens me that we get rid of Arpaio and we have Clarke replacing him pretty much as the wingnut dickhead sheriff from hell.

What makes you think Arpaio won’t head ICE?

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Charles Johnson  Nov 11, 2016 • 5:38:39pm

re: #517 Timothy Watson

Fuck, did Facebook embedding break again?

Nope. You just found yet another Facebook URL format, that my regular expressions weren’t accounting for yet.

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Decatur Deb  Nov 11, 2016 • 5:38:46pm

Grandkid here—BBL.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 11, 2016 • 5:39:10pm

re: #600 gocart mozart

What makes you think Arpaio won’t head ICE?

Goddamnit man, I was sort of having a good day.

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Don't Blame Me, I Voted for Kodos  Nov 11, 2016 • 5:39:16pm

re: #600 gocart mozart

What makes you think Arpaio won’t head ICE?

I’m hoping that a felony conviction against Joe Stormfront will prevent that from happening.

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Sionainn, the Nasty Devilbitch  Nov 11, 2016 • 5:39:49pm

re: #598 Decatur Deb

That’s roughly what we had for the Stewart/Colbert gig. Took a lot of logistics.

I was there! Did the same thing back then…got on travelocity and said, to hell with it, sign me up!

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philosophus invidius  Nov 11, 2016 • 5:40:54pm
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Charles Johnson  Nov 11, 2016 • 5:41:50pm

Let’s try that Facebook link now…

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Decatur Deb  Nov 11, 2016 • 5:43:46pm

re: #605 Sionainn, the Nasty Devilbitch

I was there! Did the same thing back then…got on travelocity and said, to hell with it, sign me up!

I was a bus captain from Atlanta. We had a folk-singing rabbi.

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Frankie Five Angels  Nov 11, 2016 • 5:43:54pm
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Charles Johnson  Nov 11, 2016 • 5:44:21pm

OK, the “permalink” type of Facebook URL will now work.

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darthstar  Nov 11, 2016 • 5:46:33pm

re: #561 austin_blue

Can a couple of you Angelenos walk outside and tell me if there is super-bright celestial object in the southern sky about 15 degrees above the horizon?

(I swear to God I saw it, Mr. Cox, and I’m not a drinking man!)

I just put Night Sky on my new Googly Nexus 5x, went outside, and got a screenshot (we have a bit of marine layer, so this isn’t the actual sky)…don’t want to fuck with 12 megapixels so here’s a link. Looks like a bunch of planets are lined up to move to Canada.

Private tagged as it’s my personal googs.

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Joe Bacon  Nov 11, 2016 • 5:47:26pm

re: #477 Skip Intro

What’s Trump NoCare going to be like?

Why Joni Ernst has the answer! If you’re in need ask for help from a church!

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darthstar  Nov 11, 2016 • 5:47:59pm

re: #609 Frankie Five Angels

Hey, has anybody asked Trump for his tax returns?

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Sionainn, the Nasty Devilbitch  Nov 11, 2016 • 5:50:30pm

re: #608 Decatur Deb

I was a bus captain from Atlanta. We had a folk-singing rabbi.

That sounds cool! My aunt and uncle flew from Vegas on a different airline than I did, and they said that there were a whole lot of people on the plane headed to the rally and they had a blast.

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Joe Bacon  Nov 11, 2016 • 5:50:47pm

My home town was once solidly Democratic

It voted overwhelmingly for Trump…

Makes me weep. Heartbroken…

nytimes.com

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Anymouse  Nov 11, 2016 • 5:52:23pm

re: #533 Donkey With No Name

At the risk of beating a dead horse, this is much better addressed to our friendly Mr. Buffett and the Dems in Omaha than to those of us a thousand miles away. Nebraskans can’t dislike Coastal Elites and then complain that selfsame elites aren’t saving them from themselves.

Sure they can.

a) Coastal elites ignore us.
b) Coastal elites don’t care about our problems.

therefore

c) Why should I vote for someone who doesn’t care about my problems?

Republicans argue they are the party of small-business, even though that is not true.

As we continue to see our small businesses and towns hollowed out, with a constant barrage of “liberal elites and repressive regulations” are doing that, with no push back at all, not from anyone, with Republicans criss-crossing our states every week, what the hell else do you think people here will believe?

The coasts really have written us off, and the voters here know it.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Nov 11, 2016 • 5:52:37pm
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TedStriker  Nov 11, 2016 • 5:54:26pm

re: #582 gocart mozart

See Sherif Clark, the black who hates black people.

A real-life Clayton Bigsby, except he isn’t blind and is a fucking sheriff.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 11, 2016 • 5:54:50pm

re: #615 Joe Bacon

My home town was once solidly Democratic

It voted overwhelmingly for Trump…

nytimes.com

I’ve seen that town in my family tree for some of my more distant relatives before. I hear your sadness. My grandparents home county (Cambria) once went for Mondale 55-44, it went for Trump 68-29. Really saddens me honestly. I have such a big place in my heart for Johnstown because of my fond memories visiting my great aunts and uncles who still lived there when I was a kid. My grandmother did tell me that her one surviving sister voted for Clinton but was unfortunately canceled out by her kids, in laws, and even grandchildren. These aren’t bad people sigh.

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Charles Johnson  Nov 11, 2016 • 5:56:09pm
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Anymouse  Nov 11, 2016 • 5:56:29pm

re: #544 EPR-radar

There needs to be a sustained 50-state effort that, at a minimum, ensures that no Republican runs for a House seat unopposed. The lack of support you’ve had from the party is a real problem, but the solutions have to be realistic. Hoping for miracles because a POTUS candidate visits the state once or twice (or even 100 times) isn’t realistic.

Didn’t say POTUS candidate. Any surrogate. I guarantee you if a surrogate appeared in a town hall in Scottsbluff every damn paper, radio, and television station in the whole Panhandle and eastern Wyoming would have covered it.

They sure covered all the Republicans that came to Scottsbluff, even our county seat (Bridgeport, population 1,100).

A national politician paying attention to us here is big news. The Republicans made sure they were in the news every week.

We had a Democratic representative here, elected in 2014 because of the hated Lee Terry. (He is famous for saying during the government shutdown engineered by Ted Cruz “why should I have to give up my paycheck? I have a mortgage and kids in college.”)

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 11, 2016 • 5:58:43pm

re: #616 Anymouse

Sure they can.

a) Coastal elites ignore us.
b) Coastal elites don’t care about our problems.

therefore

c) Why should I vote for someone who doesn’t care about my problems?

Republicans argue they are the party of small-business, even though that is not true.

As we continue to see our small businesses and towns hollowed out, with a constant barrage of “liberal elites and repressive regulations” are doing that, with no push back at all, not from anyone, with Republicans criss-crossing our states every week, what the hell else do you think people here will believe?

The coasts really have written us off, and the voters here know it.

Oh, cry me a fucking river, with your endless ‘Coastal Elites’ whining. I grew up in a rural town, where there were no jobs in my field. Know what I did?

I MOVED.

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Anymouse  Nov 11, 2016 • 5:59:59pm

Our one Democratic representative will be replaced by a Teavangelical in January. He got no support. None.

The party gave away his seat without a fight.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Nov 11, 2016 • 6:01:29pm

re: #622 Blind Frog Belly White

And then we can’t win the electoral college. We just saw that Tuesday.

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Anymouse  Nov 11, 2016 • 6:01:33pm

re: #622 Blind Frog Belly White

Oh, cry me a fucking river, with your endless ‘Coastal Elites’ whining. I grew up in a rural town, where there were no jobs in my field. Know what I did?

I MOVED.

Good for you. I am a disabled veteran, the field of which I trained I can no longer work in.

You offering to pay for my move, because I sure don’t have the money, like tens of millions of people in our country.

And your elitism right there shows: I Moved. Good for you.

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Franklin  Nov 11, 2016 • 6:01:40pm

re: #620 Charles Johnson

Can you build that into an individual comment on an article? Then it can post the entire comment in multiple tweets and then add a permalink URL on the last tweet to get right to the comment.

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Jebediah, RBG  Nov 11, 2016 • 6:01:55pm

re: #586 teleskiguy

Very sorry about your friend.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 11, 2016 • 6:02:37pm

I’m going to say something that might get a downding but here goes. A lot of people in the heartland don’t care about my concerns either. They don’t seem to care that my Hispanic in laws and many others like them get harassed by bigots for not having the right skin tone or speaking English with an American accent. They don’t seem to care that many Republicans want to do away with things like birth right citizenship. I;m no coastal elite. My father had to declare bankruptcy when I was a kid and I’ve struggled finding meaningful work for myself too. People in the heartland should be listened to, I concede but they have to be willing to listen to us “snobs” too and let me be blunt so many of them do not since many of them have this idea that everyone who lives in a city or a blue state is a snob who is anti-religion or out ot get their guns which gets perpuated by Republican politicians.

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gocart mozart  Nov 11, 2016 • 6:02:39pm
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HappyWarrior  Nov 11, 2016 • 6:04:38pm

I didn’t even get started on the homophobia that does exist in some of these areas too. Whre Kim Davis becomes a folk hero because she REFUSED to follow the Constitution. Not every rural or heartland person is a bigot obviously and I don’t mean to imply that but so many of them simply don’t see things like LGBT rights, the right to choose, immigrant rights as their problem.

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Anymouse  Nov 11, 2016 • 6:06:19pm

re: #628 HappyWarrior

I’m going to say something that might get a downding but here goes. A lot of people in the heartland don’t care about my concerns either. They don’t seem to care that my Hispanic in laws and many others like them get harassed by bigots for not having the right skin tone or speaking English with an American accent. They don’t seem to care that many Republicans want to do away with things like birth right citizenship. I;m no coastal elite. My father had to declare bankruptcy when I was a kid and I’ve struggled finding meaningful work for myself too. People in the heartland should be listened to, I concede but they have to be willing to listen to us “snobs” too and let me be blunt so many of them do not since many of them have this idea that everyone who lives in a city or a blue state is a snob who is anti-religion or out ot get their guns which gets perpuated by Republican politicians.

I won’t downding it.

In the early part of the XX Century, this was the Progressive area of the county. Conservatives played the long game here and won.

You’re still left with Electoral Votes: MT-2, ND-2, SD-2, NE-2, KS-2, ID-2, OK-2, UT-2, &c &c &c.

If the party is not willing to fight for every vote, it will only get the votes it does fight for.

The Democratic Party has a bunch of money. What the hell are they saving it for, to leave the country and us holding the bag?

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Nov 11, 2016 • 6:07:14pm

Can someone define what makes someone a coastal elite for me?

Thanks.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Nov 11, 2016 • 6:07:50pm

re: #628 HappyWarrior

I think part of this is that they don’t meet many of us in real life. I aim to change that.

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EPR-radar  Nov 11, 2016 • 6:08:30pm

re: #632 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Can someone define what makes someone a coastal elite for me?

Thanks.

The boogieman.

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Anymouse  Nov 11, 2016 • 6:08:45pm

re: #630 HappyWarrior

I didn’t even get started on the homophobia that does exist in some of these areas too. Whre Kim Davis becomes a folk hero because she REFUSED to follow the Constitution. Not every rural or heartland person is a bigot obviously and I don’t mean to imply that but so many of them simply don’t see things like LGBT rights, the right to choose, immigrant rights as their problem.

My village had a same-sex married village clerk, with four Republicans and me on the village board who hired her.

A couple months ago she resigned, and moved to California. In her resignation letter, she said that her wife had job opportunities there, so she sold her ranch for her wife to get that job.

I don’t have such a luxury.

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darthstar  Nov 11, 2016 • 6:08:48pm

re: #620 Charles Johnson

Right fucking on. Thanks Charles.

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gocart mozart  Nov 11, 2016 • 6:09:01pm

re: #605 Sionainn, the Nasty Devilbitch

I forgot about that.

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makeitstop  Nov 11, 2016 • 6:09:36pm

re: #632 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Can someone define what makes someone a coastal elite for me?

Thanks.

Live near a coast? There ya go.
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BigPapa  Nov 11, 2016 • 6:10:06pm

re: #632 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Can someone define what makes someone a coastal elite for me?

Thanks.

I can see the ocean from my house. I’m better than alla youse.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 11, 2016 • 6:10:09pm

re: #631 Anymouse

I won’t downding it.

In the early part of the XX Century, this was the Progressive area of the county. Conservatives played the long game here and won.

You’re still left with Electoral Votes: MT-2, ND-2, SD-2, NE-2, KS-2, ID-2, OK-2, UT-2, &c &c &c.

If the party is not willing to fight for every vote, it will only get the votes it does fight for.

The Democratic Party has a bunch of money. What the hell are they saving it for, to leave the country and us holding the bag?

See, this is where I think you’re wrong. They are using that money in areas where they think they have more of a shot to win. If you want to blame anything, blame the electoral college for making some states have more greater importance than others. A party is not going to spend a lot of time in states that they typically get beat by 20% in. It’s just not smart logistics. I agree with you that we should run candidates everywhere and that should be a goal of the next chair but I just don’t see how we address concerns of regions who with some exceptions are very hostile to our beliefs. You do a wonderful job in your village and I mean every word of that but I think you’re at an advantage too because it’s a local position that doesn’t really involve too much hot button issues too. Thanks for not DD-ing. I just think people in rural areas and remember I live in one too never take the time to consider the issues that matter to many people in the cities and a lot of those people in the cities are about as far as elite as you can get.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Nov 11, 2016 • 6:10:21pm

Also, I do think that most people in this country would benefit from moving at least once in their life. At least one state away from where they were born.

I recognize that there are a lot of reasons this doesn’t happen, but people in ALL PARTS of the country would benefit by living a little bit somewhere else for a while and understanding that all parts of the country are going to have different but valid concerns.

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gocart mozart  Nov 11, 2016 • 6:10:21pm

re: #628 HappyWarrior

I would have upvoted it twice if I could.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 11, 2016 • 6:10:31pm

re: #633 Ziggy_TARDIS

I think part of this is that they don’t meet many of us in real life. I aim to change that.

I do think that’s definitely part of it.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Nov 11, 2016 • 6:10:31pm

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Anymouse  Nov 11, 2016 • 6:10:34pm

re: #632 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Can someone define what makes someone a coastal elite for me?

Thanks.

To conservatives here? The exact same thing liberals say about conservatives:

I got mine, f you.
You don’t like it move.

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lawhawk  Nov 11, 2016 • 6:11:16pm

re: #620 Charles Johnson

Since the election, that’s a great idea.

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Joe Bacon  Nov 11, 2016 • 6:11:17pm

re: #619 HappyWarrior

I’ve seen that town in my family tree for some of my more distant relatives before. I hear your sadness. My grandparents home county (Cambria) once went for Mondale 55-44, it went for Trump 68-29. Really saddens me honestly. I have such a big place in my heart for Johnstown because of my fond memories visiting my great aunts and uncles who still lived there when I was a kid. My grandmother did tell me that her one surviving sister voted for Clinton but was unfortunately canceled out by her kids, in laws, and even grandchildren. These aren’t bad people sigh.

Thank you HappyWarrior and Anymouse. A friend posted that link on Facebook. It hurts me so much to see my hometown turn to Trump.

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Barefoot Grin  Nov 11, 2016 • 6:11:34pm

I feel for anymouse and understand Blind. But the truth is that to win in anymouse land the Dems are going to have to give the villagers a reason to vote for them. This may be a critical time to take advantage of that. Trump can’t follow through on his pledges and Ryan wants to privatize their entitlements. The Dems need to push hard on anti-privatization and support the people in the countryside who feel lost.

How to revitalize those communities through industry or in other ways? I don’t think it can be done if fracking leases aren’t already the devil’s bargain many have made.

I’m sorry. I’m short on ideas. No one who promises jobs to Americans living in the hinterlands will be able to fulfill those promises right now.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 11, 2016 • 6:11:49pm

re: #625 Anymouse

Good for you. I am a disabled veteran, the field of which I trained I can no longer work in.

You offering to pay for my move, because I sure don’t have the money, like tens of millions of people in our country.

And your elitism right there shows: I Moved. Good for you.

And the chip on your shoulder is fucking ginormous.

Dude, I’ve been reading article after article on why we need to understand the folks in the rural areas, their hopes, fears, etc, that the American Dream seems unreachable to them, that the small factories have all moved out and aren’t coming back. That there are no good jobs that pay well and have a future.

Hey, guess what! It’s the same story here! Lots of jobs in retail with no future. Young adults living two to a room, 4-6 to an apartment because they can’t get a job that pays enough to rent anything more.

So, excuse me if I don’t feel uniquely sad for people who live in rural areas and find their prospects limited. Everybody’s in the same damn boat. But you know something we of the Coastal Elite DON’T do? We don’t sit around whining that the people in Nebraska don’t care about us.

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BigPapa  Nov 11, 2016 • 6:12:01pm

re: #620 Charles Johnson

That’s seriously badassery right there. I see more tweetstorms in my future.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 11, 2016 • 6:12:08pm

re: #635 Anymouse

My village had a same-sex married village clerk, with four Republicans and me on the village board who hired her.

A couple months ago she resigned, and moved to California. In her resignation letter, she said that her wife had job opportunities there, so she sold her ranch for her wife to get that job.

I don’t have such a luxury.

Good for your village. I’m just saying there are a lot of people in the heartland who are whether we want to admit it or not hostile to our values. You think it makes me feel good knowing that the people who stayed in my grandparents part of Pennsylvania would probably treat me like a Communist because I’m not sad the mines have declined or that I think we need sensible gun laws.

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b_sharp  Nov 11, 2016 • 6:13:01pm

re: #557 teleskiguy

2016 is a horrible year. One of my ski buddies died last night in Denver.

Fuck all.

{{{teleskiguy}}}

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darthstar  Nov 11, 2016 • 6:13:14pm

re: #620 Charles Johnson

I got the word ‘Storm!’ but an error saying I was over 140 when I posted.

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darthstar  Nov 11, 2016 • 6:13:56pm

re: #639 BigPapa

I can see the ocean from my house. I’m better than alla youse.

You don’t have a coast. You have a perimeter.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 11, 2016 • 6:14:06pm

re: #631 Anymouse

I won’t downding it.

In the early part of the XX Century, this was the Progressive area of the county. Conservatives played the long game here and won.

You’re still left with Electoral Votes: MT-2, ND-2, SD-2, NE-2, KS-2, ID-2, OK-2, UT-2, &c &c &c.

If the party is not willing to fight for every vote, it will only get the votes it does fight for.

The Democratic Party has a bunch of money. What the hell are they saving it for, to leave the country and us holding the bag?

Not to put too fine a point on it, but the love of the Heartland for Progressive politics began to die when those progressive politics started helping people who aren’t white.

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Anymouse  Nov 11, 2016 • 6:14:53pm

re: #640 HappyWarrior

See, this is where I think you’re wrong. They are using that money in areas where they think they have more of a shot to win. If you want to blame anything, blame the electoral college for making some states have more greater importance than others. A party is not going to spend a lot of time in states that they typically get beat by 20% in. It’s just not smart logistics. I agree with you that we should run candidates everywhere and that should be a goal of the next chair but I just don’t see how we address concerns of regions who with some exceptions are very hostile to our beliefs. You do a wonderful job in your village and I mean every word of that but I think you’re at an advantage too because it’s a local position that doesn’t really involve too much hot button issues too. Thanks for not DD-ing. I just think people in rural areas and remember I live in one too never take the time to consider the issues that matter to many people in the cities and a lot of those people in the cities are about as far as elite as you can get.

Back to the “its too hard so we won’t try” argument. I wonder how much a single advert, one, would have cost on local radio or the local newspaper.

So a party might get beat here by 20%, they will continue to do so if they do not play a long game to build a base and get a message out.

Republicans spent money everywhere.

There is one thing you can say about the GOP whether you agree with their policies or no: They didn’t ignore anyone. They put out a message saying they wanted to represent all the people.

The Democrats couldn’t be bothered, and you wonder why the state is so red. You wonder why we lost our Democratic representative from this state. You wonder why the Electoral vote here that went for Obama went for Trump.

You message for all the people, or you are a regional party.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 11, 2016 • 6:16:13pm

re: #656 Anymouse

Back to the “its too hard so we won’t try” argument. I wonder how much a single advert, one, would have cost on local radio or the local newspaper.

So a party might get beat here by 20%, they will continue to do so if they do not play a long game to build a base and get a message out.

Republicans spent money everywhere.

There is one thing you can say about the GOP whether you agree with their policies or no: They didn’t ignore anyone. They put out a message saying they wanted to represent all the people.

The Democrats couldn’t be bothered, and you wonder why the state is so red. You wonder why we lost our Democratic representative from this state. You wonder why the Electoral vote here that went for Obama went for Trump.

You message for all the people, or you are a regional party.

Not here, they didn’t.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 11, 2016 • 6:16:15pm

A lot of us live in rural areas ourselves. I go to the barber shop and hear barbers not too older than I am talk about black kids as “colored.” I hear my own brother’s girlfriend’s father refer to the ACLU as the American Criminal Liberties Union. I hear stories about kids using racist language in school to describe minorities. I’m sorry AM. I really am. I don’t mean to sound like I’m insulting you or the Heartland but I think it’s over-glamorized sometimes. I’m all for having more candidates throughout the country. I won’t disagree with you at all on that and I think it’s really disappointing that the DNC didn’t listen to you when you emailed them asking about the filing fee but at the same time, I really want these heartland people to attempt to understand me too and I’ve never seen so much as an attempt. A lot of them were just rah rah REPEAL OBAMACARE and they don’t seem to care if osmeone like me may lose their insurance due to a pre-existing condition I have zero control over.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 11, 2016 • 6:16:45pm

re: #655 Blind Frog Belly White

Not to put too fine a point on it, but the love of the Heartland for Progressive politics began to die when those progressive politics started helping people who aren’t white.

Yes. That’s very true too. I’m sorry but it just is.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 11, 2016 • 6:19:24pm

re: #656 Anymouse

Back to the “its too hard so we won’t try” argument. I wonder how much a single advert, one, would have cost on local radio or the local newspaper.

So a party might get beat here by 20%, they will continue to do so if they do not play a long game to build a base and get a message out.

Republicans spent money everywhere.

There is one thing you can say about the GOP whether you agree with their policies or no: They didn’t ignore anyone. They put out a message saying they wanted to represent all the people.

The Democrats couldn’t be bothered, and you wonder why the state is so red. You wonder why we lost our Democratic representative from this state. You wonder why the Electoral vote here that went for Obama went for Trump.

You message for all the people, or you are a regional party.

The GOP ignored plenty of people. As I said, where are the conservatives concerns for people like myself who worry about our immigrant, LGBT, friends and family? Never there. I’m not saying we shouldn’t try there. I’m saying the electoral college creates a system which inevitably means you won’t compete in some areas and I think you vastly overstate how much work the GOP did in the bright blue states. We need to do more in your part of the country, I agree but many people in your part of the country need to stop treating liberalism like socialism too.

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b_sharp  Nov 11, 2016 • 6:19:44pm

FOOD FIGHT!!!!

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Skip Intro  Nov 11, 2016 • 6:19:49pm

Gosh, was it just last week that we were all talking about how the GOP was finished as a national party? And now we’re talking about who to run in 2020?

Maybe we should just reflect a little and steel ourselves for what’s coming once the orange Facist sizes power.

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makeitstop  Nov 11, 2016 • 6:20:29pm

Oh good, Night Three of that one long note.

Maybe I’ll go look at animal pics. This week has been long enough already.

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EPR-radar  Nov 11, 2016 • 6:20:45pm

re: #657 Blind Frog Belly White

Not here, they didn’t.

The Republican party in CA is probably as bad off as the Democrats in Nebraska. There are real difference of opinions between liberals and conservatives in the US, and you aren’t going to get a wave of conversions from conservative to liberal just by spreading the good news.

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darthstar  Nov 11, 2016 • 6:21:32pm

Okay, sometimes LOLGOP is fucking funny.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Nov 11, 2016 • 6:21:53pm

re: #663 makeitstop

Oh good, Night Three of that one long note.

Maybe I’ll go look at animal pics. This week has been long enough already.

It’s always good to recognize when a discussion is going nowhere. I’m stitching. It’s soothing.

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Stanley Sea  Nov 11, 2016 • 6:22:47pm
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Charles Johnson  Nov 11, 2016 • 6:22:54pm

re: #653 darthstar

I got the word ‘Storm!’ but an error saying I was over 140 when I posted.

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Were you using one of the “Reply” buttons? The storm feature is intended to be used with new tweets, not replies.

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EPR-radar  Nov 11, 2016 • 6:23:09pm

re: #663 makeitstop

Oh good, Night Three of that one long note.

Maybe I’ll go look at animal pics. This week has been long enough already.

Here’s a bit of Driftglass to lighten the mood:

The deepest irony here is that, by 2016, the changes the Kenyan Usurper put in place despite unified Republican opposition had eased the unbearable economic torque to their sense of identity just enough that they felt they could finally get back to the important business of openly hating the shit out of Liberals and everything they believe we stand for.

Ergo, Trump: A giant, primal “Fuuuuck You!” from a mob of economically scalded bigots and imbeciles bellowed at a political party that dared to put a black man in a position of political dominance over them for eight, bitter years, and then dared to try to replace him with a mouthy, know-it-all bitch-in-pants they had already spent 20 years learning to hate with an unquenchable, unhinged fury.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 11, 2016 • 6:23:13pm

re: #664 EPR-radar

The Republican party in CA is probably as bad off as the Democrats in Nebraska. There are real difference of opinions between liberals and conservatives in the US, and you aren’t going to get a wave of conversions from conservative to liberal just by spreading the good news.

That’s what I’m trying to say. I don’t think all these people are bad people but the fact is a lot of what they believe is against what the Democratic Party stands for. AM, yes of course we should run Democrats in Nebraska but Democrats aren’t going to become competitive in Nebraska from the up down, they’re going to do it from the ground up. And that means, more people like yourself honestly. Your neighbors aren’t going to listen to the National Democratic Party who you say yourself they see as coastal elites but they might listen to their neighbor who they think is a good guy who just happens to be a Democrat.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 11, 2016 • 6:23:47pm

re: #667 Stanley Sea

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Fuck this.

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Anymouse  Nov 11, 2016 • 6:24:19pm

re: #649 Blind Frog Belly White

And the chip on your shoulder is fucking ginormous.

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So, excuse me if I don’t feel uniquely sad for people who live in rural areas and find their prospects limited. Everybody’s in the same damn boat. But you know something we of the Coastal Elite DON’T do? We don’t sit around whining that the people in Nebraska don’t care about us.

a) flyover country
b) inbred hicks
c) uneducated voters
d) racists (there are apparently none in New York and California)
e) gun-humpers (my shotgun is still loaded under my bed as I still fear for my safety now)
f) rednecks
g) sister-f’ers

Yeah you do. Folks on both coasts whine about us all the time. They just don’t see their whining as such. They see it as “we’re right, of course.”

I’m out for the night. I leave you with Jim Wright’s post from a couple days ago. You don’t have to read it. All you have to do is look at the county-level voting maps about two-thirds down the page. More and more territory over elections being ceded to the GOP.

That is the definition of a regional party. One that only cares for a specific region.

I notice no one has addressed all those electoral votes I keep bringing up with anything other than cost or they’re too hard to get. Fine, you don’t want them. Then you wonder why people here think you don’t care about us.

stonekettle.com

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darthstar  Nov 11, 2016 • 6:24:34pm

re: #668 Charles Johnson

Were you using one of the “Reply” buttons? The storm feature is intended to be used with new tweets, not replies.

I used the blue Tweet button on the front page.

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BigPapa  Nov 11, 2016 • 6:25:06pm

I’m done with the ‘Democrats aren’t reaching out’ platitudes. It’s no secret how DT connected with the rural white voter: talk shit about brown/black folk, I’ll protect you from scary people not brown/black (‘the media’), he’ll stick it to others that challenge your way of life.

Sorry, let’s call it what it is. Racism and xenophobia. White rural America voted bigly, the rest of America did not.

The Democrats do not need to reach out to backwards ass snowflakes: they need to reach out and smack upside the head millennials that only sorta show up for presidential elections: mid terms you punks. Get some.

Should they try? Sure. But it will only go so far. They need to focus on who they could win and try to win a few percentage points more. Walks and singles can win a series, you don’t need to swing for the bleachers every 4 years.

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No Depression  Nov 11, 2016 • 6:25:33pm

re: #667 Stanley Sea

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This right here is why the anti-Trump protests are righteous and necessary. We cannot allow this shit to become normalized.

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makeitstop  Nov 11, 2016 • 6:25:53pm

re: #672 Anymouse

Folks on both coasts whine about us all the time. They just don’t see their whining as such. They see it as “we’re right, of course.”

Bull. Shit.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Nov 11, 2016 • 6:27:07pm

re: #676 makeitstop

Bull. Shit.

But calling us coastal elitists is just fine and not name-calling at all.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 11, 2016 • 6:27:10pm

re: #672 Anymouse

a) flyover country
b) inbred hicks
c) uneducated voters
d) racists (there are apparently none in New York and California)
e) gun-humpers (my shotgun is still loaded under my bed as I still fear for my safety now)
f) rednecks
g) sister-f’ers

Yeah you do. Folks on both coasts whine about us all the time. They just don’t see their whining as such. They see it as “we’re right, of course.”

I’m out for the night. I leave you with Jim Wright’s post from a couple days ago. You don’t have to read it. All you have to do is look at the county-level voting maps about two-thirds down the page. More and more territory over elections being ceded to the GOP.

That is the definition of a regional party. One that only cares for a specific region.

I notice no one has addressed all those electoral votes I keep bringing up with anything other than cost or they’re too hard to get. Fine, you don’t want them. Then you wonder why people here think you don’t care about us.

stonekettle.com

We’re also the first to support disaster relief funds when your area is hit by tornados or other disasters but when our areas are hit, the representatives and even some of the people are like “Well fuck them.” We saw it with Sandy and then when Louisiana got hit with a hurricane of their own, Jindal begged Obama to help and he helped as he should have but please don’t act like it’s the poor heartland being victimized by elites. It’s not that simple. And I got news for you, you’re not the only one here who lives in a red area. I respect you, I really do but you’re simplifying things big time to push an inaccurate narrative.

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The Ghost of a Flea  Nov 11, 2016 • 6:27:56pm

re: #662 Skip Intro

People need to stop declaring the GOP dead or terminally riven in twain.

Because the party runs on fear, and operates on the assumption that they are the only legitimate governors of the nation, their internal culture is durable: the existential threat of everybody else that’s different will make them pile back together, no matter how they seem to tear. The religious right was never going to bail because of Trump; their internal operating logic largely accommodates gross, venal men already, and it was just an extra tiny step to re-frame Trump in acceptable terms…since he was still not the nasty secular other that any Democrat candidate would be.

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Charles Johnson  Nov 11, 2016 • 6:28:05pm

re: #673 darthstar

I used the blue Tweet button on the front page.

OK, try again. I discovered the reason for that, and it should be fixed now.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Nov 11, 2016 • 6:28:24pm

Also, citation needed on people here saying there are no racists in CA and NY. Please.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Nov 11, 2016 • 6:29:26pm

Kamala Harris?

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BigPapa  Nov 11, 2016 • 6:29:59pm

re: #662 Skip Intro

Gosh, was it just last week that we were all talking about how the GOP was finished as a national party? And now we’re talking about who to run in 2020?

Maybe we should just reflect a little and steel ourselves for what’s coming once the orange Facist sizes power.

I believed that the GOP could not win nationally but was going to be strong regionally for some time. No more. I’ve realized that there is no national politics vs regional politics: the old adage ‘all politics is local’ comes to mind. Hoping for 2020 seems naive: people should be focused on 2018 now to get a few more seats here and there. This builds momentum for 2020. I just recently heard that the GOP has picked up 900 various local and state seats in the last few years: this does influence policy and law.

We need to forget about every 4 years and think every election. They do.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 11, 2016 • 6:30:01pm

re: #681 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Also, citation needed on people here saying there are no racists in CA and NY. Please.

Yeah I don’t think anyone has ever said anything close to that here. And also,, a lot of us live in red states or in red areas. My own state senator has denied spousal rape can happen so I really resent this we’re all a bunch of coastal elitists canard.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 11, 2016 • 6:30:02pm

re: #664 EPR-radar

The Republican party in CA is probably as bad off as the Democrats in Nebraska. There are real difference of opinions between liberals and conservatives in the US, and you aren’t going to get a wave of conversions from conservative to liberal just by spreading the good news.

We used to have moderate Republicans. Hell, since I moved here in 1982, we’ve had three Republican governors! But the GOP here really started dying when Term Limits came. Because the cities are largely Democratic, there’s always a pool of experienced politicians to replace the folks who get ‘termed out’. Republicans? Not so much. Pretty soon, the CAGOP in the legislature was dominated by ideologues, who made it impossible to pass a budget (2/3 majority required). People got disgusted and eventually Republicans fell below 1/3.

Moderate Republicans were killed off by the Republican Party. So were Heartland Liberal Democrats.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Nov 11, 2016 • 6:30:27pm

re: #681 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Yeah, looking at the map, Upstate NY is lousy with them, and I know there are bad places in California.

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Charles Johnson  Nov 11, 2016 • 6:30:41pm

re: #679 The Ghost of a Flea

People need to stop declaring the GOP dead or terminally riven in twain.

Because the party runs on fear, and operates on the assumption that they are the only legitimate governors of the nation, their internal culture is durable: the existential threat of everybody else that’s different will make them pile back together, no matter how they seem to tear. The religious right was never going to bail because of Trump; their internal operating logic largely accommodates gross, venal men already, and it was just an extra tiny step to re-frame Trump in acceptable terms…since he was still not the nasty secular other that any Democrat candidate would be.

Well said, as always, Ghost of a Flea. But time is not on their side, and these victories will be fewer and fewer as the years go by.

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EPR-radar  Nov 11, 2016 • 6:30:52pm

re: #672 Anymouse

…
I notice no one has addressed all those electoral votes I keep bringing up with anything other than cost or they’re too hard to get. Fine, you don’t want them. Then you wonder why people here think you don’t care about us.

This is really getting irritating. Nothing the Democrats could have done this year in Nebraska could have done more than possibly get 1 EV, and that only because Nebraska splits its electoral votes.

So stop with this “Fine, you don’t want them” rancid pigshit. You know better than that.

We’ve said over and over and over again that the Democrats do need to have a better long term efforts in all parts of the country, but even if implemented that will take decades to make changes in Nebraska, even if it succeeds.

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Anymouse  Nov 11, 2016 • 6:32:03pm

re: #664 EPR-radar

The Republican party in CA is probably as bad off as the Democrats in Nebraska. There are real difference of opinions between liberals and conservatives in the US, and you aren’t going to get a wave of conversions from conservative to liberal just by spreading the good news.

Yet Donald Trump himself campaigned in California. The GOP and Trump both knew they would lose the state. But they did anyway, because in the long run that is how you build a support base.

Your two senatorial electoral votes count for just as much as the two here do. Advertising and campaigning are way cheaper in the strip of states down the middle than it is in California, yet the GOP took time to campaign in your state.

Since there is no cable here, newspapers are still the primary means of news. I wonder how much -one- advert during the entire election season would have cost in the largest paper in the region? About a thousand dollars.

Surely the DNC could have scrapped up a thousand dollars?

I belong to a regional party that does not represent my region. I am not sure what to do next, because I sure won’t get support for my next campaign in 2018.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Nov 11, 2016 • 6:32:07pm

re: #685 Blind Frog Belly White

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Donkey With No Name  Nov 11, 2016 • 6:33:49pm

re: #656 Anymouse

One last post on this, then I move on…

“The Democrats” aren’t some kind of alien species out of Washington that shows up in their flying saucers to advocate for health care and gun control, or whatever. The Democrats are YOU, and people like you. Progressive movement absolutely needs to come from the ground up. Nobody’s going to be convinced to change their minds because of a TV ad from people they’re already primed to despise, but they might if they talk to friends, neighbors, and local folk.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 11, 2016 • 6:35:12pm

I’ll say it again. The way to positive impact political change in your region is to start locally. You know how the Republicans actually got the South? It started locally really. When people there stopped seeing Republicans as being from that party of Lincoln they loathed and more as their neighbors, they went along and that sort of thing doesn’t require big chunks of cash. It requires time and patience. AM, as I said, I really do commend the work you do in a heavily Republican area, I really do but if Democrats are going to be competitive in your area, it’s not going to be because Obama or the natoinal Democratic party took an ad out in the paper. It’s going to be because your neighbors started running as a Democrats and showing your Republican neighbors that we’re not the devil.

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Anymouse  Nov 11, 2016 • 6:35:22pm

re: #674 BigPapa

I’m done with the ‘Democrats aren’t reaching out’ platitudes. It’s no secret how DT connected with the rural white voter: talk shit about brown/black folk, I’ll protect you from scary people not brown/black (‘the media’), he’ll stick it to others that challenge your way of life.

Sorry, let’s call it what it is. Racism and xenophobia. White rural America voted bigly, the rest of America did not.

The Democrats do not need to reach out to backwards ass snowflakes: they need to reach out and smack upside the head millennials that only sorta show up for presidential elections: mid terms you punks. Get some.

Should they try? Sure. But it will only go so far. They need to focus on who they could win and try to win a few percentage points more. Walks and singles can win a series, you don’t need to swing for the bleachers every 4 years.

Fine. Cede those electoral votes. Don’t play a long political game, just keep focusing in the areas where the party knows it can win (Penna. Mich. Wisc.) and we’ll see how that works out in the future.

Ceding all those states in the middle without even trying is a bunch of senatorial electoral votes (forget the house votes) half the size of California’s count, but if you don’t need them, fine.

Did Car Thief get re-elected in California? Haven’t heard yet. (If he did, the GOP is certainly not dead in California.)

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EPR-radar  Nov 11, 2016 • 6:35:33pm

re: #687 Charles Johnson

Well said, as always, Ghost of a Flea. But time is not on their side, and these victories will be fewer and fewer as the years go by.

I’ll dispense with the time is not on their side arguments until I see some real evidence for that. The GOP has been steadily gaining power for decades, with their only real recent difficulty being getting the presidency after the W Bush disasters. That difficulty is gone.

It was no accident that the key states in Clinton’s loss are Republican-ruled at the state level (MI, WS, PA).

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BigPapa  Nov 11, 2016 • 6:35:37pm

I lied. I can’t really see the ocean from my house. Too many palm trees and vacation condos in the way.

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makeitstop  Nov 11, 2016 • 6:36:13pm

re: #690 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Click to Reveal

Give that man a cookie! Welcome him to the Dark Side for us.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 11, 2016 • 6:36:15pm

re: #689 Anymouse

Look at a map. Both parties are regional.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Nov 11, 2016 • 6:36:26pm

The thing about blaming the loss of the EVs from the central part of the country on the national Democrats is that it conveniently absolves any blame from the people in those states.

Sorry. Everyone shares the blame.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Nov 11, 2016 • 6:37:37pm

re: #697 makeitstop

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HappyWarrior  Nov 11, 2016 • 6:37:48pm

They campaigned heavily in a state they hadn’t won since 1992. I really dislike this idea that the Dems just played it safe. Hell from what I understand the Democrats were even in Omaha this year. Believe me, I’ve seen the national Democratic Party be poor with its strategy. Kerry’s 2004 comes ot mind but this wasn’t that.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 11, 2016 • 6:39:58pm

re: #694 Anymouse

Fine. Cede those electoral votes. Don’t play a long political game, just keep focusing in the areas where the party knows it can win (Penna. Mich. Wisc.) and we’ll see how that works out in the future.

Ceding all those states in the middle without even trying is a bunch of senatorial electoral votes (forget the house votes) half the size of California’s count, but if you don’t need them, fine.

Did Car Thief get re-elected in California? Haven’t heard yet. (If he did, the GOP is certainly not dead in California.)

Sorry, but I don’t buy the idea that a state that went by 26 points for Trump would be ours if only we visited. Stop talking facetime, and start talking policy.

What do you propose the Democrats offer that Nebraskans would want that wouldn’t go against the core principles of the Democratic Party?

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Joe Bacon  Nov 11, 2016 • 6:39:59pm

re: #687 Charles Johnson

Oh, Charles I hope you are right. But my heart is broken when I read the NY Times article showing how my home town became a hotbed of Trumpettes.

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BigPapa  Nov 11, 2016 • 6:40:08pm

re: #694 Anymouse

Pray tell how the Democratic party can connect with all those rural white voters that voted for Trump, beyond a TV ad, than can lead to more electoral votes. I’ve been reading but getting a lot of smoke and no fire. A Dem party that can increase local/regional seats and increase national votes by 5-10%, why should they waste limited resources on locations that are 60-70% rural Trump wastelands?

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Anymouse  Nov 11, 2016 • 6:40:47pm

re: #691 Donkey With No Name

One last post on this, then I move on…

“The Democrats” aren’t some kind of alien species out of Washington that shows up in their flying saucers to advocate for health care and gun control, or whatever. The Democrats are YOU, and people like you. Progressive movement absolutely needs to come from the ground up. Nobody’s going to be convinced to change their minds because of a TV ad from people they’re already primed to despise, but they might if they talk to friends, neighbors, and local folk.

My last post, then I will log off for the night.

The Democrats are all of us. I can’t make all the arguments for the whole party by myself. As a local politician, I have to focus on local issues.

Something like national policy (build a Mexican wall, repeal same-sex marriage, pick a hobby horse) doesn’t answer the question “Is the fee for garbage going up” or “when is the village going to smooth the streets again”

National politics is the province of national politicians. I can make national arguments as a private person, not as a local politician. National arguments are meaningless in a discussion about how much money we are putting in our local library.

As someone else said, I could move. I guess I will need to start a go fund me account, I am sure everyone here will help with that. /s

On the other hand, with all the folk who want to institute the American version of the Nuremberg Laws, perhaps the US Government will pay for my move, right to Poland.

Night y’all.

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Anymouse  Nov 11, 2016 • 6:42:16pm

re: #698 Blind Frog Belly White

Look at a map. Both parties are regional.

Go back and look at that link to Stonekettle Station I posted up the page. Nope, only one party is regional.

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Charles Johnson  Nov 11, 2016 • 6:43:27pm

re: #695 EPR-radar

I’ll dispense with the time is not on their side arguments until I see some real evidence for that. The GOP has been steadily gaining power for decades, with their only real recent difficulty being getting the presidency after the W Bush disasters. That difficulty is gone.

It was no accident that the key states in Clinton’s loss are Republican-ruled at the state level (MI, WS, PA).

Demographics is a relentless force.

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EPR-radar  Nov 11, 2016 • 6:44:11pm

re: #706 Anymouse

Go back and look at that link to Stonekettle Station I posted up the page. Nope, only one party is regional.

I remember that map reasonably well. It is urban vs. rural. How exactly is that regional?

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EPR-radar  Nov 11, 2016 • 6:45:29pm

re: #707 Charles Johnson

Demographics is a relentless force.

Let’s hope so. This GOP is the kind of monster that needs to be staked and seen to turn to dust before it can safely be declared dead.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 11, 2016 • 6:46:36pm

re: #708 EPR-radar

I remember that map reasonably well. It is urban vs. rural. How exactly is that regional?

The fact of the matter is urban areas of Republican states have often more in common with urban areas of Democratic states just like rural areas of Democratic states have more in common with rural areas of Republcian ones. We have a diverse base which is predominately residing in urban and suburban areas. That’s the real reason there’s not much focus in the country. It’s not snobbery, it’s because those demographics don’t have much of a desire to support our party.

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Feline Fearless Leader  Nov 11, 2016 • 6:47:10pm

re: #590 Blind Frog Belly White

While it’s true that Trump himself might not actually espouse or want to go to bat for the various policies his election has still empowered the GOP with control of both houses and an executive that will probably not veto when they start pushing through those policies rolling back the progress of the previous 80 years. Plus allowing them to full the backlog of vacant judicial positions with conservative ideologues as well.

And with his transition team and Cabinet loaded with GOP reactionaries there is a decent chance that they keep Trump occupied with minor and trivial baubles while they go about being the actual governors of the country.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 11, 2016 • 6:47:31pm

If the parties aren’t regional, how come the maps keep looking so similar?

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Lidane  Nov 11, 2016 • 6:48:02pm

Of all the mind-numblingly stupid shit that Dim Hoft has fallen for, this seriously takes the fucking cake:

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Hillary won Travis County by almost 40 points over Trump. There is literally ZERO need for anybody to bus in anti-Trump protesters.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 11, 2016 • 6:48:39pm

And again it’s absolutely true that a lot of less well off whites turned away from progressivism once progressivism became about racial equalitarianism too. You can call that elitist but it’s true.

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Donkey With No Name  Nov 11, 2016 • 6:49:01pm

re: #705 Anymouse

The Democrats are all of us. I can’t make all the arguments for the whole party by myself. As a local politician, I have to focus on local issues.

Something like national policy (build a Mexican wall, repeal same-sex marriage, pick a hobby horse) doesn’t answer the question “Is the fee for garbage going up” or “when is the village going to smooth the streets again”

See, this I don’t understand at all. Of course you have to focus on local issues, but what’s the point of running as a Democrat unless that is to signal an alignment with a set of state and national policy positions? And to be at least mildly interested in the impact they will have in your community?

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HappyWarrior  Nov 11, 2016 • 6:49:10pm

re: #713 Lidane

Of all the mind-numblingly stupid shit that Dim Hoft has fallen for, this seriously takes the fucking cake:

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Hillary won Travis County by almost 40 points over Trump. There is literally ZERO need for anybody to bus in anti-Trump protesters.

You’d think he just shut up and enjoy his hero’s victory.

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William Lewis  Nov 11, 2016 • 6:49:12pm

re: #662 Skip Intro

Gosh, was it just last week that we were all talking about how the GOP was finished as a national party? And now we’re talking about who to run in 2020?

Maybe we should just reflect a little and steel ourselves for what’s coming once the orange Facist sizes power.

That’s why I am far more interested in Resistance than giving a flying fuck about 2020. We have people to help, protect & even actively defend NOW.

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EPR-radar  Nov 11, 2016 • 6:49:39pm

re: #710 HappyWarrior

The fact of the matter is urban areas of Republican states have often more in common with urban areas of Democratic states just like rural areas of Democratic states have more in common with rural areas of Republcian ones. We have a diverse base which is predominately residing in urban and suburban areas. That’s the real reason there’s not much focus in the country. It’s not snobbery, it’s because those demographics don’t have much of a desire to support our party.

For example, CA on that map is half red by area, and I guarantee that the cultural divide between red and blue within CA is as large as it is anywhere else.

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Feline Fearless Leader  Nov 11, 2016 • 6:50:08pm

re: #611 darthstar

I just put Night Sky on my new Googly Nexus 5x, went outside, and got a screenshot (we have a bit of marine layer, so this isn’t the actual sky)…don’t want to fuck with 12 megapixels so here’s a link. Looks like a bunch of planets are lined up to move to Canada.

Private tagged as it’s my personal googs.

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So you’re implying that the stars were right on Tuesday?

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HappyWarrior  Nov 11, 2016 • 6:50:36pm

re: #718 EPR-radar

For example, CA on that map is half red by area, and I guarantee that the cultural divide between red and blue within CA is as large as it is anywhere else.

Correct.

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Anymouse  Nov 11, 2016 • 6:51:33pm

re: #708 EPR-radar

I remember that map reasonably well. It is urban vs. rural. How exactly is that regional?

Republicans campaigned in the blue areas, even though they didn’t win them. Democrats did not campaign in the red areas.

Only one party is regional, the one that only campaigns in some areas.

I turned in a ballot with only one bubble blacked in for one candidate: President. There were no Democrats running anywhere else on the ballot for anything from public power district to US House.

I keep saying I’m off for now… . My wife is listening to a podcast right now (we are the only people for miles around with Internet service) on why the Democratic Party is in fact a regional party and how that might be improved. She is so saddened she left the Libertarian Party for a party that didn’t campaign here. The Libertarians did.

The Libertarian Party campaigned here. Had a rally in Scottsbluff. Got tons of coverage in the local papers.

Yup, if the Democratic Party won’t talk to their only elected official over an area of 90,000 square miles, it sure does look like they don’t care.

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Feline Fearless Leader  Nov 11, 2016 • 6:52:27pm

re: #616 Anymouse

Yep. Written off. I guess healthcare coverage getting to Nebraska via the ACA was just an accident.

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Anymouse  Nov 11, 2016 • 6:55:49pm

re: #715 Donkey With No Name

See, this I don’t understand at all. Of course you have to focus on local issues, but what’s the point of running as a Democrat unless that is to signal an alignment with a set of state and national policy positions? And to be at least mildly interested in the impact they will have in your community?

I do care, but when I am in the village hall as a village trustee, I am acting on local issues. I can and have brought in national issues (like raising the minimum wage, which we did here, well above the state wage).

No place in a village board meeting for a discussion on abortion (the nearest abortion clinic in my state is almost four hundred miles away). No place in those meetings for discussions on immigration policy.

Outside of board meetings, the village does not see me as Democratic Village Trustee. They see me as James, the hippie with the trilby hat in a sea of cowboy hats.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 11, 2016 • 6:56:09pm

So what if they do show up? Those national Democrats are unpopular anyhow. I said it again. The way you’re going to get Democrats elected in the Panhandle of Nebraska or honestly anywhere staunchly Republican is regular people. Obama nor Clinton isn’t going to do it nor the DNC but regular people who these people will not see as “Democrat Party Intruders” but people they know to be their neighbors and even friends. Sure, not all elections will be won. I agree that it’s a joke that tehre were so few Dem candidates in AM’s neck of the woods but at the same time, I don’t really know how the ticket was supposed to do much in an area that really had no desire to support them. And that’s not writing them off at all.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 11, 2016 • 6:57:25pm

re: #723 Anymouse

I do care, but when I am in the village hall as a village trustee, I am acting on local issues. I can and have brought in national issues (like raising the minimum wage, which we did here, well above the state wage).

No place in a village board meeting for a discussion on abortion (the nearest abortion clinic in my state is almost four hundred miles away). No place in those meetings for discussions on immigration policy.

Outside of board meetings, the village does not see me as Democratic Village Trustee. They see me as James, the hippie with the trilby hat in a sea of cowboy hats.

See, that’s my point. You’re their neighbor. Obama and Clinton wouldn’t have that same effect. This is where I do agree with oyu that more Democrats need to be found to run and that is on the party I agree but it’s something that a lot of people need to take up their own too.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 11, 2016 • 6:58:11pm

AM, I really think there’s more common ground on this than we realize. I really do believe that.

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Anymouse  Nov 11, 2016 • 6:58:48pm

re: #724 HappyWarrior

So what if they do show up? Those national Democrats are unpopular anyhow. I said it again. The way you’re going to get Democrats elected in the Panhandle of Nebraska or honestly anywhere staunchly Republican is regular people. Obama nor Clinton isn’t going to do it nor the DNC but regular people who these people will not see as “Democrat Party Intruders” but people they know to be their neighbors and even friends. Sure, not all elections will be won. I agree that it’s a joke that tehre were so few Dem candidates in AM’s neck of the woods but at the same time, I don’t really know how the ticket was supposed to do much in an area that really had no desire to support them. And that’s not writing them off at all.

And they will stay unpopular here, precisely because they do not show up and put forth an alternative message to the GOP message. Gee, we do have Democrats here, certainly not as many as Republicans, but we do have them.

Well, we got the death penalty back, because the party didn’t try to campaign against it. Yay?

It’s too hard. I don’t know how many of the posts here boil down to that single statement.

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Barefoot Grin  Nov 11, 2016 • 7:01:07pm

re: #638 makeitstop

Live near a coast? There ya go.
/

Volvo-driving, New York Times-reading, Latte-drinking…..

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HappyWarrior  Nov 11, 2016 • 7:02:07pm

re: #727 Anymouse

And they will stay unpopular here, precisely because they do not show up and put forth an alternative message to the GOP message. Gee, we do have Democrats here, certainly not as many as Republicans, but we do have them.

Well, we got the death penalty back, because the party didn’t try to campaign against it. Yay?

It’s too hard. I don’t know how many of the posts here boil down to that single statement.

Are you not seeing what I’m saying? I’m saying we make the Democratic Party more competitive in your region by more people there running. We agere with that. The solution isn’t to get the national party involved. It’s to get regular citizens who happen to be Democrats. FFS man, I’m trying to be civil but you’re making it hard for me when you’re making it seem like I think we shouldn’t recruit candidates to run in your area which is not true at all. I’ll say it again, you build a party from the ground up in an area. Real grassroots. That means as I said more people like yourself and that’s something I agree with you should be faulted with the national party for not encouraing that but I disagree with you that not campaigning for the EVs was a mistake and again they did focus on non tradiotnal Dem strongholds, Clinton went to Arizona, she went to Georgia. I

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Feline Fearless Leader  Nov 11, 2016 • 7:03:03pm

re: #655 Blind Frog Belly White

Not to put too fine a point on it, but the love of the Heartland for Progressive politics began to die when those progressive politics started helping people who aren’t white.

And that article about the people in Ambridge included a quote from a bottling plant worker about not wanting to support those who don’t want to work. That’s a dogwhistle line, and the sort of rhetoric that has been churned out since Reagan was running.

Welfare and extended unemployment laws were fine in a lot of places until the CRA made it so that non-whites could get it to. Then it suddenly turned into a stigma. And a lot of these depressed rural and rust belt areas are being heavily subsidized as well, but no one talks about that since all that money apparently only goes to the minorities in the inner cities.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Nov 11, 2016 • 7:03:17pm

re: #727 Anymouse

It’s too hard. I don’t know how many of the posts here boil down to that single statement.

When you’re determined to read a specific message out of something, it’s amazing how easy it is to see.

A lot of people have expressed agreement with the need to have more of a presence in NE. However, a lot of people have also expressed that this is going to take time and is not something that is going to happen overnight. A lot of people seem to recognize that time and money are not limitless in a political campaign.

But this conversation isn’t getting anywhere, because that’s nuance and nuance appears to be a dirty word right now.

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EPR-radar  Nov 11, 2016 • 7:03:42pm

re: #727 Anymouse

And they will stay unpopular here, precisely because they do not show up and put forth an alternative message to the GOP message. Gee, we do have Democrats here, certainly not as many as Republicans, but we do have them.

Well, we got the death penalty back, because the party didn’t try to campaign against it. Yay?

It’s too hard. I don’t know how many of the posts here boil down to that single statement.

National Democrats could show up every week in Nebraska for rallies or whatever from now until the end of time and not make much of a difference, if that’s the only work that is done.

Ongoing local and state-level Democratic work is much more valuable, and if there’s enough of that then it would make perfect sense for some visits from national Democrats to be added to the mix.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 11, 2016 • 7:05:43pm

re: #732 EPR-radar

National Democrats could show up every week in Nebraska for rallies or whatever from now until the end of time and not make much of a difference, if that’s the only work that is done.

Ongoing local and state-level Democratic work is much more valuable, and if there’s enough of that then it would make perfect sense for some visits from national Democrats to be added to the mix.

Thanks, that’s what I’m trying to say. National Democrats aren’t going to change Nebraska. Local Dems like yourself are and once again, I really appreciate the work you do too because you’re making one small corner of the country see Democrats as something other than the stereotype. And that’s how the region if it is to be won will be won. It won’t be through top party figures. It will be through local people who show their neighbors that the Democratic Party is not the boogeyman they think it is.

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gocart mozart  Nov 11, 2016 • 7:34:16pm
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darthstar  Nov 12, 2016 • 3:43:48am

re: #680 Charles Johnson

OK, try again. I discovered the reason for that, and it should be fixed now.

Thanks. But now I have nothing to say. I’ll check it out after I get my load test running and go to Twitter and find the right inspiration.

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Eventual Carrion  Nov 12, 2016 • 5:24:39am

re: #370 wrenchwench

So Angenette is a real name! When my nearest sister was a kid, she changed her name every week for a while. Her name is the one with the most variants and nicknames of all (Elizabeth) but that wasn’t enough, so she made some up. She stuck with Angenette for a couple of months.

In my head it sounds like when I called my aunt Jeanette. And yes I do have an aunt Jeanette and Jeanette was also my grandma’s middle name. My mother hated her middle name (Idella) so would never have given it to one of my sisters.

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Eventual Carrion  Nov 12, 2016 • 5:31:42am

re: #400 Skip Intro

I don’t think any rules and regulations are applicable if they apply to Trump.

That’s what Nixon said.

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Romantic Heretic  Nov 12, 2016 • 5:57:24am

re: #126 Backwoods_Sleuth

Sending strength and positive vibes your way.

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Tigger2  Nov 12, 2016 • 6:02:30am

re: #667 Stanley Sea

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Someone needs to add sucks behind Trump.

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sagehen  Nov 12, 2016 • 8:43:12am

re: #571 HappyWarrior

He’s technically a Dem I believe but yes.

He’s about as “Dem” as Zell Miller. Less Dem than even Joe Lieberman.


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