US Media Are Unequipped to Handle Donald Trump’s Post-Truth Presidency

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Adam Serwer makes some excellent, frightening points about our upcoming post-truth presidency: The U.S. Media Is Completely Unprepared to Cover a Trump Presidency.

During the 2016 presidential campaign, reporters marveled at the ability of Donald Trump and his surrogates to create an alternate reality in which statements made by the candidate had not been made at all—from his view that global warming is a hoax, to his nonexistent opposition to the Iraq War, to his refusal to say he would concede in the event of a loss, to his remarks about his relationship to Russian strongman Vladimir Putin. These are people who could argue that the sky is green without a blink. They were able to win a presidential election while doing so. Now they will have the entire apparatus of the federal government to bolster their lies, and the mainstream press is woefully unprepared to cover them.

The first reason is that political journalism is highly dependent on official sources, which are chased with abandon. Miller’s defense of stenography seems absurd in hindsight, but there is a grain of truth in it. Government sources are granted a high degree of credibility, and official lies can be difficult to dispute. Contrary leaks from highly placed sources can offer an important check on the official story, but the breadth of the surveillance state built by Bush and Obama, a surveillance state now in Trump’s hands, will make such leaks difficult.

For Trump administration mouthpieces, both public and anonymous, lies will now come with an officiality that will be difficult to contest. The total Republican control of government means that Democrats will struggle to get their objections to carry much weight, much as they did prior to the Iraq War.

The entire weight of the federal government will now be behind Donald Trump, backing up his lies and evasions and rationalizations and horrible narcissistic personality. We’re in for a very rough ride, folks, and there’s no way to sugar-coat it.

We’re entering the Era of Bad Craziness.

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177 comments
1
GlutenFreeJesus  Nov 11, 2016 • 6:45:36pm

“Get over it libtard.”

I’m actually hearing that from people I thought were friends.

And they say I’m posting mean vicious things about Trump and his supporters. What have I been posting to get that reaction? Donald Trump’s own words.

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BigPapa  Nov 11, 2016 • 6:47:18pm

I read that a few hours ago and I’m glad you posted it. I kept thinking that Trumpworld was just gaslighting us. That they have normalized Gish Gallups as a rhetorical constant.

Strap up your waders. There is a wave of Noah’s Ark bullshit coming our way. Support real journalists.

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Charles Johnson  Nov 11, 2016 • 6:49:22pm
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Charles Johnson  Nov 11, 2016 • 6:51:52pm

SHOCKED

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Joe Bacon  Nov 11, 2016 • 6:53:32pm

NO WE WILL NOT FORGET!

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EPR-radar  Nov 11, 2016 • 6:53:35pm

The GOP has been post-truth for some time now. One of the Bushies even announced it this way:

The aide said that guys like me were “in what we call the reality-based community,” which he defined as people who “believe that solutions emerge from your judicious study of discernible reality.” … “That’s not the way the world really works anymore,” he continued. “We’re an empire now, and when we act, we create our own reality. And while you’re studying that reality—judiciously, as you will—we’ll act again, creating other new realities, which you can study too, and that’s how things will sort out. We’re history’s actors…and you, all of you, will be left to just study what we do.

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BigPapa  Nov 11, 2016 • 6:53:41pm

I had and still have no doubt that the vast majority of us, including Trump himself and the majority of his staff with a tenuous hold on reality, thought he was going to lose.

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TedStriker  Nov 11, 2016 • 6:54:31pm

re: #4 Charles Johnson

SHOCKED

It gives more credence to the theory that he wasn’t actually expecting to win it all, that he was just using his run to elevate his brand to launch Trump TV or whatever.

Whoops…

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Kragar  Nov 11, 2016 • 6:55:25pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 11, 2016 • 6:56:00pm

re: #4 Charles Johnson

He was ready to fire up Trump TV and bilk the rubes.

Now America has called his bluff and he actually has to lead.

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TedStriker  Nov 11, 2016 • 6:57:57pm

re: #10 Eclectic Cyborg

He was ready to fire up Trump TV and bilk the rubes.

Now America has called his bluff and he actually has to lead.

And everyone else gets fucked in the process.

Good job, Donny.

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Joe Bacon  Nov 11, 2016 • 7:00:13pm

The new symbol for the Republican Party is

THE CONDOM

It stands for inflation,
Halts production,
Protects Pricks…and…
Gives one a FALSE SENSE of SECURITY when they’re GETTING THE SHAFT!

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TedStriker  Nov 11, 2016 • 7:01:48pm

re: #9 Kragar

It’s starting to look like most everything he threw out to the base during the campaign was total kayfabe, at least I hope it turns out that way.

He’s still a bigoted boor, in any case.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 11, 2016 • 7:03:05pm

re: #9 Kragar

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they deserve him. Drain the swamp! Oh here’s some swamp monsters you thought you had seen the last of years ago but at least they’re not HITLERLY!

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teleskiguy  Nov 11, 2016 • 7:03:21pm

Thanks all for the condolences downstairs. We lost a good dude.

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Charles Johnson  Nov 11, 2016 • 7:06:41pm

I had to take a break from the insanity today. Not sure which stage of grieving I’m in, but I’m angry as a motherfucker about this election and needed to spend some time reading and watching things that have nothing to do with this goddamned clusterfuck.

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Joe Bacon  Nov 11, 2016 • 7:07:33pm

Whiskey Tango Foxtrot!!!!!!

A Texas elector may jump to Hillary?

politico.com

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Nov 11, 2016 • 7:09:21pm

re: #16 Charles Johnson

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calochortus  Nov 11, 2016 • 7:16:37pm

re: #16 Charles Johnson

I had to take a break from the insanity today. Not sure which stage of grieving I’m in, but I’m angry as a motherfucker about this election and needed to spend some time reading and watching things that have nothing to do with this goddamned clusterfuck.

A wise choice. I find it does wonders for my attitude.

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ipsos  Nov 11, 2016 • 7:16:59pm

re: #15 teleskiguy

(((((teleskiguy)))))

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Lidane  Nov 11, 2016 • 7:18:34pm

First the Detroit Pistons coach Stan Van Gundy went on a glorious rant after the election. Now my favorite NBA coach, Gregg Popovich from the San Antonio Spurs has followed suit:

Preach, Pop. I love this man and this team. :)

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Cheechako  Nov 11, 2016 • 7:18:50pm

re: #16 Charles Johnson

I had to take a break from the insanity today. Not sure which stage of grieving I’m in, but I’m angry as a motherfucker about this election and needed to spend some time reading and watching things that have nothing to do with this goddamned clusterfuck.

You need to go for a bike ride and take some photos. Haven’t seen any of your photos in a very long time.

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Barefoot Grin  Nov 11, 2016 • 7:20:43pm

re: #22 Cheechako

You need to go for a bike ride and take some photos. Haven’t seen any of your photos in a very long time.

Yes! and I’d like to see more of klys’s photos of the recent journey on the narrow road to the north (of Japan).

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Charles Johnson  Nov 11, 2016 • 7:20:46pm

re: #18 klys (maker of Silmarils)

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ipsos  Nov 11, 2016 • 7:20:49pm

re: #16 Charles Johnson

Spent a good chunk of the day listening to Leonard Cohen. Took my kid and my dad to a Veterans Day event and then spent a few nice hours helping the kid build a Lego model.

It really does help to tune the shit show out for a little while. It’ll still be there and just as shitty when you get back.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 11, 2016 • 7:21:22pm

re: #16 Charles Johnson

I had to take a break from the insanity today. Not sure which stage of grieving I’m in, but I’m angry as a motherfucker about this election and needed to spend some time reading and watching things that have nothing to do with this goddamned clusterfuck.

I think I am still depressed. It’s going to be hard for me to overcome this disillusionment. It’s not so much about politics. To be honest, I’ve felt politically disillusioned in some way since 2004 but my disillusionment is with our people. They chose this guy. This man so bigoted, so unqualified, and who didn’t have a goddamn plan as their President over someone who was qualified.

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teleskiguy  Nov 11, 2016 • 7:21:49pm
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HappyWarrior  Nov 11, 2016 • 7:22:39pm

re: #21 Lidane

First the Detroit Pistons coach Stan Van Gundy went on a glorious rant after the election. Now my favorite NBA coach, Gregg Popovich from the San Antonio Spurs has followed suit:

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Preach, Pop. I love this man and this team. :)

Pop is great. I love the way he runs the Spurs. Second best NBA coach of all time after Red Auerbach for my money. The man just builds teams full of selfless players.

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b_sharp  Nov 11, 2016 • 7:23:16pm

re: #27 teleskiguy

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Any idea what happened?

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HappyWarrior  Nov 11, 2016 • 7:23:41pm

Anyone you ever hear of a MRA named Roosh something? One of my DAd’s wingnut friends loves sending him chain mails from this deranged sexist piece of shit. His letters almost sound like parodies of MRAs they’re that pathetically deranged.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Nov 11, 2016 • 7:23:52pm

re: #24 Charles Johnson

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Nov 11, 2016 • 7:24:34pm

re: #30 HappyWarrior

Anyone you ever hear of a MRA named Roosh something? One of my DAd’s wingnut friends loves sending him chain mails from this deranged sexist piece of shit. His letters almost sound like parodies of MRAs they’re that pathetically deranged.

Oh. Yes.

He thinks rape is just fine.

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Feline Fearless Leader  Nov 11, 2016 • 7:24:38pm

re: #27 teleskiguy

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I heard Lindsey Vonn got hurt again too and required surgery. Did you sent her flowers and deliver them personally?

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b_sharp  Nov 11, 2016 • 7:24:40pm

re: #30 HappyWarrior

Anyone you ever hear of a MRA named Roosh something? One of my DAd’s wingnut friends loves sending him chain mails from this deranged sexist piece of shit. His letters almost sound like parodies of MRAs they’re that pathetically deranged.

No parody.

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teleskiguy  Nov 11, 2016 • 7:24:45pm

re: #29 b_sharp

Any idea what happened?

He was hit by a car. Not sure the circumstances with the driver. Pronounced dead on the scene.

:(

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b_sharp  Nov 11, 2016 • 7:25:18pm

re: #35 teleskiguy

He was hit by a car. Not sure the circumstances with the driver. Pronounced dead on the scene.

:(

Fuck.

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mmmirele  Nov 11, 2016 • 7:25:40pm

re: #30 HappyWarrior

Anyone you ever hear of a MRA named Roosh something? One of my DAd’s wingnut friends loves sending him chain mails from this deranged sexist piece of shit. His letters almost sound like parodies of MRAs they’re that pathetically deranged.

Yeah, Roosh V.

en.wikipedia.org

He’s a regular target over at We Hunted The Mammoth.

wehuntedthemammoth.com

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HappyWarrior  Nov 11, 2016 • 7:26:03pm

re: #32 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Oh. Yes.

He thinks rape is just fine.

I googled him. I cannot believe a man with a daughter is sending my Dad this crap.

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Feline Fearless Leader  Nov 11, 2016 • 7:26:07pm

re: #35 teleskiguy

He was hit by a car. Not sure the circumstances with the driver. Pronounced dead on the scene.

:(

That sucks.

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teleskiguy  Nov 11, 2016 • 7:26:22pm

re: #36 b_sharp

Fuck.

I’ve been crying off and on for hours.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 11, 2016 • 7:26:31pm

re: #34 b_sharp

No parody.

Oh I know that it’s not, I’m saying it felt like a parody. The letter today expressed relief about having a President that rates women on 10 scales.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 11, 2016 • 7:27:00pm

re: #37 mmmirele

Yeah, Roosh V.

en.wikipedia.org

He’s a regular target over at We Hunted The Mammoth.

wehuntedthemammoth.com

Dad and I have taken to calling him Roosh the Doosh.

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teleskiguy  Nov 11, 2016 • 7:27:08pm

re: #33 Feline Fearless Leader

I heard Lindsey Vonn got hurt again too and required surgery. Did you sent her flowers and deliver them personally?

Heh, I wish.

Facebook Post

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HappyWarrior  Nov 11, 2016 • 7:27:49pm

re: #35 teleskiguy

He was hit by a car. Not sure the circumstances with the driver. Pronounced dead on the scene.

:(

Oh man, that’s awful. It’s always awful to lose a friend but terrible.

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TedStriker  Nov 11, 2016 • 7:30:52pm

re: #37 mmmirele

Yeah, Roosh V.

en.wikipedia.org

He’s a regular target over at We Hunted The Mammoth.

wehuntedthemammoth.com

Ain’t that the guy who got doxxed as saying all of this vile shit while living at his mom’s house?

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calochortus  Nov 11, 2016 • 7:30:56pm

On the plus side, Trump supporters are beginning to see just an inkling of how unreliable Trump is what with his back pedaling on the ACA repeal. Freepers are generally chalking the back pedaling up to dishonesty by the evil media-he didn’t really say that. But a few are grousing about it, and one even wondered exactly how it would be possible lower insurance premiums even without the ACA.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Nov 11, 2016 • 7:31:22pm

re: #35 teleskiguy

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BigPapa  Nov 11, 2016 • 7:31:45pm

This is where I’m at with my country right now.

Joe Jackson Breaking Us in Two HQ

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HappyWarrior  Nov 11, 2016 • 7:32:01pm

re: #45 TedStriker

Ain’t that the guy who got doxxed as saying all of this vile shit while living at his mom’s house?

Probably. If that is the case though, I’m to tell my Dad to mention that. My Dad’s not teh type to mince his words when dealing with right wing bullshit.

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Jebediah, RBG  Nov 11, 2016 • 7:32:23pm

re: #26 HappyWarrior

Yup. I was very disappointed with pretty much every election that didn’t go my way, but this is so far beyond sanity, shows so little respect for the office and so little care about the ramifications, at home and abroad, of electing a mentally ill spoiled toddler to a position that people around the world count on for stability, that I feel sometimes the last few days like I have been dosed surreptitiously with some nasty drug.
I don’t like it one bit.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 11, 2016 • 7:32:50pm

re: #46 calochortus

On the plus side, Trump supporters are beginning to see just an inkling of how unreliable Trump is what with his back pedaling on the ACA repeal. Freepers are generally chalking the back pedaling up to dishonesty by the evil media-he didn’t really say that. But a few are grousing about it, and one even wondered exactly how it would be possible lower insurance premiums even without the ACA.

This is hilarious.

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calochortus  Nov 11, 2016 • 7:33:19pm

re: #51 HappyWarrior

This is hilarious.

In a sad sort of way.

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Sherlock Hound  Nov 11, 2016 • 7:34:04pm

re: #16 Charles Johnson

You’re at my step #10, back to shock and tears.
/

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HappyWarrior  Nov 11, 2016 • 7:34:37pm

re: #50 Jebediah, RBG

Yup. I was very disappointed with pretty much every election that didn’t go my way, but this is so far beyond sanity, shows so little respect for the office and so little care about the ramifications, at home and abroad, of electing a mentally ill spoiled toddler to a position that people around the world count on for stability, that I feel sometimes the last few days like I have been dosed surreptitiously with some nasty drug.
I don’t like it one bit.

Yeah I was disappointed in 2004 when I was 17 but this just has me with dread. 2004 was a win some, lose some type feeling. This is something that has me questioning the very character of many of our countrymen and women and I hate feeling that way. I love our country but I think Trump created something terrible here and now he’s the 45th President of the United States. He’s in the history books. Children 100 years from now will see him beside Obama in their classrooms.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 11, 2016 • 7:34:47pm

re: #52 calochortus

In a sad sort of way.

Yeah.

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teleskiguy  Nov 11, 2016 • 7:35:07pm

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Sherlock Hound  Nov 11, 2016 • 7:35:56pm

re: #15 teleskiguy

{{{{Teleskiguy}}}}

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The Ghost of a Flea  Nov 11, 2016 • 7:36:50pm

re: #9 Kragar

Note that the “we’ll bring back coal jobs” assertion is being carefully sanded down to nothing, with Mitch McConnell taking the lead on artfully conceding that not many jobs will come back.

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gocart mozart  Nov 11, 2016 • 7:37:51pm
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HappyWarrior  Nov 11, 2016 • 7:38:02pm

re: #58 The Ghost of a Flea

Note that the “we’ll bring back coal jobs” assertion is being carefully sanded down to nothing, with Mitch McConnell taking the lead on artfully conceding that not many jobs will come back.

It was all a big fucking con. The fucked up thing is the Trump voters are going to predictably feel betrayed and they’re likely to take their anger out on the wrong people.

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Citizen K  Nov 11, 2016 • 7:38:20pm

re: #58 The Ghost of a Flea

Note that the “we’ll bring back coal jobs” assertion is being carefully sanded down to nothing, with Mitch McConnell taking the lead on artfully conceding that not many jobs will come back.

Why should it matter? They got what they wanted, and how many are going to remember that McConnell said that, or that the number of jobs ‘saved’ was minuscule to begin with?

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gocart mozart  Nov 11, 2016 • 7:38:30pm
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HappyWarrior  Nov 11, 2016 • 7:38:47pm

re: #59 gocart mozart

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The man’s not only a terrific coach but he’s a great guy too.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 11, 2016 • 7:39:23pm

re: #61 Kryptik in Mourning

Why should it matter? They got what they wanted, and how many are going to remember that McConnell said that, or that the number of jobs ‘saved’ was minuscule to begin with?

Well the miners may have something to say about that. The idiots who just went along with yeah, they’ll forget about it.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 11, 2016 • 7:40:11pm

re: #62 gocart mozart

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And nothing says Drain the Swamp like considering the honorable Jefferson Beauregard Sessions the third for Defense Secretary.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Nov 11, 2016 • 7:40:31pm

re: #59 gocart mozart

I’ve been reliably (and repeatedly) informed that the only people who are supposed to have empathy are the liberals on the coast for what the voters in the central part of the country are feeling.

And maybe the South.

We’re not supposed to expect any in return, which is good because there clearly isn’t any being offered.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 11, 2016 • 7:41:21pm

re: #66 klys (maker of Silmarils)

I’ve been reliably (and repeatedly) informed that the only people who are supposed to have empathy are the liberals on the coast for what the voters in the central part of the country are feeling.

And maybe the South.

We’re not supposed to expect any in return, which is good because there clearly isn’t any being offered.

That is what I was trying to say too. Alas we tried.

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jaunte  Nov 11, 2016 • 7:41:55pm

re: #46 calochortus

On the plus side, Trump supporters are beginning to see just an inkling of how unreliable Trump is

I heard a piece on the radio today about the coal miners who put their faith in Trump “bringing coal back.” An economist was explaining that market-driven forces like the efficiency of fracking for natural gas governed the value of coal, and there wasn’t much a president could do about it. So there’s another constituency the Republicans will disappoint.

And for some reason this inability to deliver on his promises is a surprise to celebrity news commentators like Chris Matthews.

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Kragar  Nov 11, 2016 • 7:42:15pm

Cheeto Benito is going to be a part time President

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HappyWarrior  Nov 11, 2016 • 7:42:37pm

re: #68 jaunte

I heard a piece on the radio today about the coal miners who put their faith in Trump “bringing coal back.” An economist was explaining that market-driven forces like the efficiency of fracking for natural gas governed the value of coal, and there wasn’t much a president could do about it. So there’s another constituency the Republicans will disappoint.

And for some reason this inability to deliver on his promises is a surprise to celebrity news commentators like Chris Matthews.

We heard the same thing.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 11, 2016 • 7:43:22pm

re: #69 Kragar

Cheeto Benito is going to be a part time President

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But Obama golf!

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Feline Fearless Leader  Nov 11, 2016 • 7:44:39pm

re: #69 Kragar

Cheeto Benito is going to be a part time President

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Pence, Ryan, and McConnell will be just fine with that. Just supply a secretary to show up with the forms for Donald to sign every morning and provide a nice well edited briefing.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Nov 11, 2016 • 7:45:14pm

re: #67 HappyWarrior

That is what I was trying to say too. Alas we tried.

To be fair, it’s not just here. Like BFBW said, there have been so many articles written about how liberals are supposed to try to understand Trump voters.

Never mind that Trump actually lost the popular vote. Never mind that when Obama won, all we got to hear about was how he needed to understand those who didn’t vote for him in order for the country to heal and unify.

It’s always on the liberals to understand the other side. Always. There are never any calls for conservatives to try to understand liberals. Or for folks in rural areas to understand the concerns of urban folks - it’s always that urban folks have to understand them. (Combine the two for the coastal elites game!)

I’m still way too tired for this shit.

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Stanley Sea  Nov 11, 2016 • 7:45:21pm
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HappyWarrior  Nov 11, 2016 • 7:45:36pm

Just give Donald a replica of the oval office in the Trump Tower, bring him out to make statements os he can show the country he’s the boss and he’s happy I guess. Man waht a fucking joke.

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jaunte  Nov 11, 2016 • 7:45:41pm

re: #70 HappyWarrior

I had to disconnect for a bit of anger management and meatspace responsibilities.

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calochortus  Nov 11, 2016 • 7:46:02pm

I’m really interested in what Trump supporters will view as success or failure on his part. Since I’m not going to go register at any wingnut sites (FR, I’m looking at you) I’ve asked a couple questions in largely non-political groups about that.
So far I’m not actually getting answers. The answer to “what will you consider success and what will you consider a disappointment” has been “What did Obama accomplish?” And “Trump can’t be worse.” Followed by “I couldn’t have said it better.”

So, basically, Trump supporters have no more idea what they want than Trump does. A match made in heaven apparently.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Nov 11, 2016 • 7:46:40pm

re: #77 calochortus

I’m really interested in what Trump supporters will view as success or failure on his part. Since I’m not going to go register at any wingnut sites (FR, I’m looking at you) I’ve asked a couple questions in largely non-political groups about that.
So far I’m not actually getting answers. The answer to “what will you consider success and what will you consider a disappointment” has been “What did Obama accomplish?” And “Trump can’t be worse.” Followed by “I couldn’t have said it better.”

So, basically, Trump supporters have no more idea what they want than Trump does. A match made in heaven apparently.

I see they think their health insurance is untouchable.

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Joe Bacon  Nov 11, 2016 • 7:46:46pm

re: #61 Kryptik in Mourning

Why should it matter? They got what they wanted, and how many are going to remember that McConnell said that, or that the number of jobs ‘saved’ was minuscule to begin with?

Just like McConnell told Kentucky voters that he would save Kynect by repealing Obamacare. Bevin kills Kynect and Trump gets even more votes from the fools than Bevin did…

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TedStriker  Nov 11, 2016 • 7:47:05pm

re: #58 The Ghost of a Flea

Note that the “we’ll bring back coal jobs” assertion is being carefully sanded down to nothing, with Mitch McConnell taking the lead on artfully conceding that not many jobs will come back.

Everything we all heard President Play-Doh say he was going to do once he got elected, throw it out the window, but, beware: with Mike “Greg Stillson” Pence as his VP and the likelihood that the administration is going to be staffed with neo-con retreads from the past 30 years, it’s still going to be rough as hell.

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gocart mozart  Nov 11, 2016 • 7:47:25pm

re: #21 Lidane

“That’s what worries me. I get it, of course we want to be successful, we’re all going to say that. Everybody wants to be successful, it’s our country, we don’t want it to go down the drain. But any reasonable person would come to that conclusion, but it does not take away the fact that he used that fear mongering, and all of the comments, from day one, the race bating with trying to make Barack Obama, our first black president, illegitimate. It leaves me wondering where I’ve been living, and with whom I’m living.
“The fact that people can just gloss that over, start talking about the transition team, and we’re all going to be kumbaya now and try to make the country good without talking about any of those things. And now we see that he’s already backing off of immigration and Obamacare and other things, so was it a big fake, which makes you feel it’s even more disgusting and cynical that somebody would use that to get the base that fired up. To get elected. And what gets lost in the process are African Americans, and Hispanics, and women, and the gay population, not to mention the eighth grade developmental stage exhibited by him when he made fun of the handicapped person. I mean, come on. That’s what a seventh grade, eighth grade bully does. And he was elected president of the United States. We would have scolded our kids. We would have had discussions until we were blue in the face trying to get them to understand these things. He is in charge of our country. That’s disgusting.”

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calochortus  Nov 11, 2016 • 7:48:18pm

re: #73 klys (maker of Silmarils)

To be fair, it’s not just here. Like BFBW said, there have been so many articles written about how liberals are supposed to try to understand Trump voters.

Never mind that Trump actually lost the popular vote. Never mind that when Obama won, all we got to hear about was how he needed to understand those who didn’t vote for him in order for the country to heal and unify.

It’s always on the liberals to understand the other side. Always. There are never any calls for conservatives to try to understand liberals. Or for folks in rural areas to understand the concerns of urban folks - it’s always that urban folks have to understand them. (Combine the two for the coastal elites game!)

I’m still way too tired for this shit.

IMHO the liberals do need to understand conservatives. It’s easier to win if you do. You don’t have to like them, agree with them, or take them a soothing hot drink at bedtime, but you should make an effort to understand them or you will never reach them.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 11, 2016 • 7:48:53pm

re: #73 klys (maker of Silmarils)

To be fair, it’s not just here. Like BFBW said, there have been so many articles written about how liberals are supposed to try to understand Trump voters.

Never mind that Trump actually lost the popular vote. Never mind that when Obama won, all we got to hear about was how he needed to understand those who didn’t vote for him in order for the country to heal and unify.

It’s always on the liberals to understand the other side. Always. There are never any calls for conservatives to try to understand liberals. Or for folks in rural areas to understand the concerns of urban folks - it’s always that urban folks have to understand them. (Combine the two for the coastal elites game!)

I’m still way too tired for this shit.

Yeah I know. We’re always supposed to understand them and their resentments. They’re never expected to understand why we feel the way we do. Why there are white men like myself who worry for women losing the right to choose, Muslims and Hispanic immigrants being harassed, and LGBT Americans losing their hard earned rights due to Pence’s desire to roll back protections. And don’t get me started on the coastal elite stuff. I tried pointing out that a lot of the people telling him this were either red area residents like myself or even red state residents like BeachDem was last night. I’ll say again, it’s very hard to deal with people who find your party’s platform an affront to their values. But as I also suggested, if there are going to be gains made in conservative strongholds, it will be because of local candidates who the people there don’t see as national elites. As I said, we tried.

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Joe Bacon  Nov 11, 2016 • 7:48:55pm

re: #68 jaunte

I heard a piece on the radio today about the coal miners who put their faith in Trump “bringing coal back.” An economist was explaining that market-driven forces like the efficiency of fracking for natural gas governed the value of coal, and there wasn’t much a president could do about it. So there’s another constituency the Republicans will disappoint.

And for some reason this inability to deliver on his promises is a surprise to celebrity news commentators like Chris Matthews.

Tweety is surprised that Trump is backing away from his promises? I’m shocked!

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The Ghost of a Flea  Nov 11, 2016 • 7:49:04pm

re: #61 Kryptik in Mourning

I care because I’m a Kentuckian, and I very nearly married an Appalachian girl. I might not be of that world myself, but many of my neighbors and acquaintances are.

The current state of political play in those areas has been predicated on cruel deceptions for many, many years, and while I might be pissed and exhausted by the resultant miasma of resentment and anger, it’s still a slow-moving tragedy.

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Charles Johnson  Nov 11, 2016 • 7:49:33pm

My mind keeps circling back around to a hard truth: we’re in deep shit, no matter how you cut it. Trump and his far right cronies are going to have four years to lay waste to everything we love about this country. They’re already getting started. And they’ll have both houses of Congress on their side.

Climate change. The Supreme Court. Marriage equality. Reproductive rights. The separation of church and state. It’s all on the chopping block. And the changes Trump makes will be long-lasting and take a hell of a lot of work to reverse, assuming we ever get in a position to do that again.

Not trying to be a downer, but damn. This sucks really hard and I don’t see how we can do anything to stop it.

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calochortus  Nov 11, 2016 • 7:49:36pm

re: #78 klys (maker of Silmarils)

I see they think their health insurance is untouchable.

Their health insurance, their clean water and air, the legal system, etc.

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Pawn of the Oppressor  Nov 11, 2016 • 7:49:40pm

re: #43 teleskiguy

Heh, I wish.

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The image threw me for a second - that’s a 3D scan of her arm? Holy shit. D:

WARNING for the squeamish, stop reading here/

I was on the scene of a motorcycle vs. car crash last weekend (it happened right behind me on the road) and the victim’s shin was broken a lot like that. I didn’t leave the house for two days after seeing that in person.

I can’t imagine people risking those kinds of injuries as a regular part of their day job. It takes tougher stuff than what I’m made of, for sure.

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Nov 11, 2016 • 7:49:50pm

im waiting to find out which trump we’ll get:

1) only wants to make speeches trump who signs everything ryan puts on his desk and thinks he’s done

2) nationalist trump who gets rid of ryan, doesnt screw ss and medicare, passes a 35% tariff, clamps down on immigration, and hires half of texas to build the wall

3) fascist trump who clamps down on dissenting journalists and moves for increased “emergency” powers

4) crazy trump who gets increasingly erratic under the pressure and tweets his way into nuclear war or a strait jacket

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Nov 11, 2016 • 7:49:55pm

re: #82 calochortus

IMHO the liberals do need to understand conservatives. It’s easier to win if you do. You don’t have to like them, agree with them, or take them a soothing hot drink at bedtime, but you should make an effort to understand them or you will never reach them.

Oh, I know. But the drumbeat is currently relentless and has nothing to do with “so you can defeat them” and everything to do with blaming the loss on someone other than whoever is speaking at that point in time. Or trying to make the liberal in question out to be intolerant, to avoid acknowledging what electing Trump means.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Nov 11, 2016 • 7:50:54pm

re: #86 Charles Johnson

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goddamnedfrank  Nov 11, 2016 • 7:50:54pm
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HappyWarrior  Nov 11, 2016 • 7:50:56pm

re: #82 calochortus

IMHO the liberals do need to understand conservatives. It’s easier to win if you do. You don’t have to like them, agree with them, or take them a soothing hot drink at bedtime, but you should make an effort to understand them or you will never reach them.

I think we do try to understand them honestly a lot more than they do us. We’ve never had dozens of Limbaugh clones telling us in an echo chamber that conservatives are evil and traitors.

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jaunte  Nov 11, 2016 • 7:52:00pm

re: #89 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

I’m starting to think “Lazy Trump” is our best option, and that just leaves the field open for his praetorians.

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calochortus  Nov 11, 2016 • 7:52:39pm

re: #90 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Oh, I know. But the drumbeat is currently relentless and has nothing to do with “so you can defeat them” and everything to do with blaming the loss on someone other than whoever is speaking at that point in time. Or trying to make the liberal in question out to be intolerant, to avoid acknowledging what electing Trump means.

I try to avoid listening to those people. Along with anything that starts with the phrase “both sides.”

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HappyWarrior  Nov 11, 2016 • 7:52:41pm

The fact of the matter is the Democrats DID campaign in Omaha, Arizona, Georgia, and Texas. And the idea that the Trump campaign was truly 50 state was uh nonsense. From what I understand, there wasn’t even a GOP Senate candidate in California.

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calochortus  Nov 11, 2016 • 7:54:06pm

re: #96 HappyWarrior

The fact of the matter is the Democrats DID campaign in Omaha, Arizona, Georgia, and Texas. And the idea that the Trump campaign was truly 50 state was uh nonsense. From what I understand, there wasn’t even a GOP Senate candidate in California.

That’s because we take the top 2 vote getters from the primary regardless of party. The Republican senate candidate was not one of those 2.

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The Ghost of a Flea  Nov 11, 2016 • 7:54:16pm

re: #68 jaunte

I heard a piece on the radio today about the coal miners who put their faith in Trump “bringing coal back.” An economist was explaining that market-driven forces like the efficiency of fracking for natural gas governed the value of coal, and there wasn’t much a president could do about it. So there’s another constituency the Republicans will disappoint.

And for some reason this inability to deliver on his promises is a surprise to celebrity news commentators like Chris Matthews.

Appalachian coal can’t even compete with other coal fields. Other locations, like Utah, have lower-sulfur coal that’s easier to extract.

There’s also just the fact that coal mining hemorrhaged jobs when it started getting more automated in the eighties, plus the ease of mountaintop removal versus old-school pits. The trendline of coal jobs is a 45’ descent from 1983 to 1997, then just sort of bobs up and down year by year.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 11, 2016 • 7:54:33pm

re: #97 calochortus

That’s because we take the top 2 vote getters from the primary regardless of party. The Republican senate candidate was not one of those 2.

Ohhhhh, I see.

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teleskiguy  Nov 11, 2016 • 7:54:41pm

re: #88 Pawn of the Oppressor

The image threw me for a second - that’s a 3D scan of her arm? Holy shit. D:

She was operated on in Vail, Colorado, home of some of the best orthopedic surgeons on Earth. They have all the best technologies, and they were one of the first hospitals to use the machine that goes *BING*.

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Unshaken Defiance  Nov 11, 2016 • 7:54:51pm

re: #46 calochortus

On the plus side, Trump supporters are beginning to see just an inkling of how unreliable Trump is what with his back pedaling on the ACA repeal. Freepers are generally chalking the back pedaling up to dishonesty by the evil media-he didn’t really say that. But a few are grousing about it, and one even wondered exactly how it would be possible lower insurance premiums even without the ACA.

I hit that right where it hurts. They said words not actions. I said words matter. It’s fair to assess by the words of a candidate. They say, they insist he won fair. Is bait and switch fair? Is an FBI leak fair? Surely it depends on who you ask these days.

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EPR-radar  Nov 11, 2016 • 7:55:25pm

re: #82 calochortus

IMHO the liberals do need to understand conservatives. It’s easier to win if you do. You don’t have to like them, agree with them, or take them a soothing hot drink at bedtime, but you should make an effort to understand them or you will never reach them.

This is a no-brainer, but the media’s both-siderism goes far beyond that. We’re supposed to somehow give Trump a chance? Fuck that noise with a well-used dildo from the Malheur occupation.

I think part of the story here is that a significant number of voters will prefer change (or lies about change) to the status quo pretty much independently of anything else. In 2008 that factor helped Obama, and in 2016 it helped Trump. This is a dangerous situation which the Democrats can’t afford to ignore.

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Nov 11, 2016 • 7:55:35pm

re: #94 jaunte

I’m starting to think “Lazy Trump” is our best option, and that just leaves the field open for his praetorians.

i dont like lazy trump becuz then ss & medicare die

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Nov 11, 2016 • 7:55:52pm

re: #99 HappyWarrior

Ohhhhh, I see.

That being said, part of the reason is there were like 7 GOP candidates on the ballot in the primary (which was open, at least for statewide offices) and they split their vote. If they’d organized and had just one, maaaaaaaaaaaaybe they would have been on the general ballot.

Maybe.

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calochortus  Nov 11, 2016 • 7:56:38pm

re: #102 EPR-radar

This is a no-brainer, but the media’s both-siderism goes far beyond that. We’re supposed to somehow give Trump a chance? Fuck that noise with a well-used dildo from the Malheur occupation.

I think part of the story here is that a significant number of voters will prefer change (or lies about change) to the status quo pretty much independently of anything else. In 2008 that factor helped Obama, and in 2016 it helped Trump. This is a dangerous situation which the Democrats can’t afford to ignore.

And worryingly, so far the media doesn’t seem to have learned anything.

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Skip Intro  Nov 11, 2016 • 7:56:52pm

re: #77 calochortus

Success will be getting a
Supreme Court that will overturn Roe and declare the only True Religion in the US is the one with the blonde, blue eyed Jesus.

All others are false and will have no Constitutional protections. If he can do that he could loot the Treasury and make every Friday night orgy night at the White House and they couldn’t care less.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 11, 2016 • 7:57:27pm

I mean do I feel bad seeing towns and places that once boomed in the industrial era? Sure, I do. My grandparents hometown’s population has dropped a lot since the time they lived there. But economies are constantly changing and I don’t care if this sounds patronizing, economic resentment is no excuse for bigotry. Now what I like the idea of doing is investing in alternative energy. I was having a great conversation with my brother about how he thinks a lot of the unused federal land in Nevada could be used for windfarms and about an algae that apparently is a great fuel source. He also talked about it’s a crying shame that Germany far outpaces us in solar energy even though we have much more sunlight than they do.

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makeitstop  Nov 11, 2016 • 7:57:37pm

re: #21 Lidane

First the Detroit Pistons coach Stan Van Gundy went on a glorious rant after the election. Now my favorite NBA coach, Gregg Popovich from the San Antonio Spurs has followed suit:

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Preach, Pop. I love this man and this team. :)

Go, Pop. Class act all the way.

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calochortus  Nov 11, 2016 • 7:57:41pm

re: #103 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

i dont like lazy trump becuz then ss & medicare die

I doubt it. I think the GOP is about to walk into a buzzsaw if they actually go after either of these programs. Old white people like them a lot. And they vote.

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EPR-radar  Nov 11, 2016 • 7:57:46pm

re: #93 HappyWarrior

I think we do try to understand them honestly a lot more than they do us. We’ve never had dozens of Limbaugh clones telling us in an echo chamber that conservatives are evil and traitors.

It’s an efficiency thing. Supplying that information via media would be superfluous. GOP actions speak for themselves.

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calochortus  Nov 11, 2016 • 7:59:31pm

re: #106 Skip Intro

Success will be getting a
Supreme Court that will overturn Roe and declare the only True Religion in the US is the one with the blonde, blue eyed Jesus.

All others are false and will have no Constitutional protections. If he can do that he could loot the Treasury and make every Friday night orgy night at the White House and they couldn’t care less.

For some yes, but there are others who voted for him because they were angry, frustrated, hate Clinton, whatever. I’m interested in that demographic because if they are unhappy fast enough the mid term elections could be significant.

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EPR-radar  Nov 11, 2016 • 7:59:33pm

re: #96 HappyWarrior

The fact of the matter is the Democrats DID campaign in Omaha, Arizona, Georgia, and Texas. And the idea that the Trump campaign was truly 50 state was uh nonsense. From what I understand, there wasn’t even a GOP Senate candidate in California.

The lack of a CA GOP Senate candidate had nothing to do with Trump’s campaign or GOP preferences. The top two vote getters in a unified primary election go on to the general election.

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Kragar  Nov 11, 2016 • 7:59:42pm

re: #86 Charles Johnson

Its going to be ugly the next few years. I’m seriously expecting long term open violence to break out before the next election

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HappyWarrior  Nov 11, 2016 • 7:59:52pm

I tried saying it downstairs when the whole idea about coastal elites not caring about the heartland thing came up but there’s one region whose representatives do support disaster relief funds when disaster hits and another region whose representatives pretty much say fuck you. For that reason, I really don’t have a lot of sympathy for people who continue to vote for these people being derided. Maybe that’s a little mean but you know what, I don’t like being told because I’m pro SSM that I want to ban Christianity or because I’m pro-choice, I favor infanticide either. You get the picture.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 11, 2016 • 8:00:05pm

re: #112 EPR-radar

The lack of a CA GOP Senate candidate had nothing to do with Trump’s campaign or GOP preferences. The top two vote getters in a unified primary election go on to the general election.

Yeah I see that now.

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Jebediah, RBG  Nov 11, 2016 • 8:00:25pm

re: #54 HappyWarrior

Children 100 years from now will see him beside Obama in their classrooms.

And that just makes me so angry. That a man so hardworking, intelligent, learned, and DECENT, should ever be considered Trump’s equal in any way is both saddening and infuriating. I feel like it is so immensely disrespectful to a man who worked so goddamn hard to make things better for everyone, even those who despise him.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 11, 2016 • 8:00:32pm

re: #113 Kragar

Its going to be ugly the next few years. I’m seriously expecting long term open violence to break out before the next election

It’s the new normal and Trump owns it for the shit he encouraged at his rallies but hey aren’t those people protesting just awful? //

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jaunte  Nov 11, 2016 • 8:01:02pm

re: #82 calochortus

IMHO the liberals do need to understand conservatives. It’s easier to win if you do. You don’t have to like them, agree with them, or take them a soothing hot drink at bedtime, but you should make an effort to understand them or you will never reach them.

I had lunch today with a bunch of conservatives (at a managed-care facility) and the impression I gathered was that they were happy to screw their grandchildrens’ futures for the sake of winning the game.

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EPR-radar  Nov 11, 2016 • 8:01:34pm

re: #109 calochortus

I doubt it. I think the GOP is about to walk into a buzzsaw if they actually go after either of these programs. Old white people like them a lot. And they vote.

All the GOP has to do is keep the programs intact for people above a certain age and kill them for younger people.

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Unshaken Defiance  Nov 11, 2016 • 8:01:53pm

We have nothing to be ashamed of. We have the Bill of Rights on our side. All of it. We have a body of law on our side. Se have a crapton of voters that threw down for HRC on our side. “Minority” politics is well understood as in how that alters tactics and ground level work. We have the moral weight of defending rights as applied to the widest measure of people.

Those thing sum up to a check on the balance of power if and where well applied.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 11, 2016 • 8:02:05pm

re: #116 Jebediah, RBG

And that just makes me so angry. That a man so hardworking, intelligent, learned, and DECENT, should ever be considered Trump’s equal in any way is both saddening and infuriating. I feel like it is so immensely disrespectful to a man who worked so goddamn hard to make things better for everyone, even those who despise him.

History will be kind to President Obama. I hope he lives long enough to know it and see that many of us do appreciate him. I’ll always be proud that he was the first person I ever cast a presidential vote for. He really is a good president but he’s also a genuinely good person too.

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Stanley Sea  Nov 11, 2016 • 8:02:15pm

re: #48 BigPapa

Such a beautiful sad song.

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Nov 11, 2016 • 8:02:34pm

re: #109 calochortus

I doubt it. I think the GOP is about to walk into a buzzsaw if they actually go after either of these programs. Old white people like them a lot. And they vote.

paul ryan has made it his life’s work

im not sure whether or not they could pull it off without the aforementioned buzzsaw, however

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calochortus  Nov 11, 2016 • 8:02:36pm

re: #118 jaunte

I had lunch today with a bunch of conservatives (at a managed-care facility) and the impression I gathered was that they were happy to screw their grandchildrens’ futures for the sake of winning the game.

What a lovely group of people.

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Nov 11, 2016 • 8:03:27pm

re: #119 EPR-radar

All the GOP has to do is keep the programs intact for people above a certain age and kill them for younger people.

dat’s the plan, man

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EPR-radar  Nov 11, 2016 • 8:03:47pm

re: #118 jaunte

I had lunch today with a bunch of conservatives (at a managed-care facility) and the impression I gathered was that they were happy to screw their grandchildrens’ futures for the sake of winning the game.

I’d be willing to bet that every single dedicated conservative in the US is a sociopath. How else can people be that happy about screwing others?

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jaunte  Nov 11, 2016 • 8:05:07pm

re: #124 calochortus

The only “balanced” comment from the group was “we’ll have to wait and see if Trump can do the things he promised, but I just couldn’t bear to vote for Hillary.”

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zephirus  Nov 11, 2016 • 8:05:51pm

re: #16 Charles Johnson

re: #73 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Right. I don’t want to hear about unity after what that fucker did. He’s not my president. Period. The words “President Trump” will never pass my lips.

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EPR-radar  Nov 11, 2016 • 8:06:37pm

I’ve said before that the Republican party is a cancer upon the nation. I’ve had to rethink that.

The Republican party is a giant sucking chest wound upon the nation.

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Kragar  Nov 11, 2016 • 8:06:56pm
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Charles Johnson  Nov 11, 2016 • 8:07:02pm
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Stanley Sea  Nov 11, 2016 • 8:07:02pm

re: #58 The Ghost of a Flea

Note that the “we’ll bring back coal jobs” assertion is being carefully sanded down to nothing, with Mitch McConnell taking the lead on artfully conceding that not many jobs will come back.

DAY 3

It’s being sanded down on day 3

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calochortus  Nov 11, 2016 • 8:07:12pm

re: #127 jaunte

Sad.

Well, I’m out for the evening. My brother is coming over. There will be wine and conversation (avoiding politics for the most part.)

134
Pawn of the Oppressor  Nov 11, 2016 • 8:07:15pm

I’m just angry, and it’s not going to go away.

- I’m disgusted and ferociously angry that a man who owes favors to the Russian security state apparatus is now chief Executive. That, by itself, is a giant steaming Dump on every bit of sacrifice and spending this country poured into the Cold War (justified or not). This guy is so fucking compromised that he’d never be able to get a security clearance under normal circumstances. Hey Wing-numbnuts, want to see what a REAL Manchurian candidate looks like? YOU JUST FUCKING VOTED FOR HIM.

- I am spitting mad at the notion that a bunch of Christian fascist ghouls are lining up to strip, abuse, and hurt women and LGBTQ people. One of my new friends out here is a brilliant young woman who happens to be transgender, with only the surgery remaining for transition, and I told her mother on Wednesday that if anybody comes to hurt her, they’re getting a bullet. This young lady is easily smarter than 99% of the people I have ever met in my life, working on an aeronautical engineering degree with an interest in rocketry. She is in the middle stages of her education and youth, on the cusp of moving up to do great work for a startup like SpaceX… This girl is going to help get us to Mars. She IS what the future should look like, a true 21st-Century heroine, and to think that a bunch of backwards-ass honky Taliban fucknauts in suits want to grind her out of existence slowly because they see her as an inhuman abomination, in the name of their bullshit god, is nearly enough to make me take up arms just by itself.

- What Would Jesus Do? Deny people health insurance, surely! SAID NOBODY EVER.

- Our nuclear and conventional arsenals, and all the people that operate them, and all the people that might be victimized by them, are in the hands of a guy with a two-minute attention span who can’t speak in complete sentences.

- Every cretinous, pin-dicked sadist racist piece of shit in this great nation feels emboldened to puke their filth out on the world because TURMP IS PERSIDENT NOW HUR HUR.

BUT WAIT, THERE’S MORE! But I’ll stop typing, because I’m not going anywhere we haven’t already been.

I’m just waiting to see how the Resistance takes shape, and how hard it’s going to be. New political party? Revitalized Democrats? Underground movement? Will we need to go dark and off the grid, and form militias to protect minorities and the vulnerable? We just don’t know yet how bad it’s truly going to be, but we know for sure there’s nothing good coming.

135
Unshaken Defiance  Nov 11, 2016 • 8:08:25pm

re: #131 Charles Johnson

From a good friend today. “I don’t want him in my airplane. In my White House. Sleeping is my sheets. Walking in my Rose Garden. He diminishes it all with his presence.”

136
Feline Fearless Leader  Nov 11, 2016 • 8:09:39pm

Not what you normally expect to dodge on the bike trail

Took this picture while taking a walk today. Wedding parties often take pictures in this area between the Art Museum, old Waterworks, and the nearby Azalea Garden.

137
Charles Johnson  Nov 11, 2016 • 8:09:51pm
138
Feline Fearless Leader  Nov 11, 2016 • 8:10:09pm

re: #129 EPR-radar

I’ve said before that the Republican party is a cancer upon the nation. I’ve had to rethink that.

The Republican party is a giant sucking chest wound upon the nation.

It’s a pre-existing condition so we can’t get insurance coverage for it.

139
Skip Intro  Nov 11, 2016 • 8:10:27pm

re: #135 Unshaken Defiance

That’s going to complicate those 3am calls that he said Hillary wasn’t up to.

140
gocart mozart  Nov 11, 2016 • 8:10:49pm
141
Pawn of the Oppressor  Nov 11, 2016 • 8:10:59pm

re: #139 Skip Intro

That’s going to complicate those 3am calls that he said Hillary wasn’t up to.

I HAVE THE GREATEST STAMINA

…when I’m at home with my gold bwankie.

142
The Ghost of a Flea  Nov 11, 2016 • 8:11:00pm

re: #126 EPR-radar

I’d be willing to bet that every single dedicated conservative in the US is a sociopath. How else can people be that happy about screwing others?

Really easily.

You can teach people who’s in-group and who’s out-group, and in turn they’ll be thrilled by the discomfort of the latter.

What unites the various sections of the GOP is a picture of “others”—the out-group—as qualitatively not of the same nature or substance as those of the in-group. For some this is a spiritual distinction, but for others it’s a racial or class-based one, and for some it’s a sort of Social Darwinist judgement of who’s a loser. Once you’re assigned to the out-group, you’re no longer as real or as human as if you were in the in-group, and it’s okay to be unsympathetic, or even cruel. The only good thing you can do for an out-group person is demand they comply with the in-group’s wishes…becoming acceptable, assimilated, but not truly afforded in-group status.

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EPR-radar  Nov 11, 2016 • 8:11:35pm

re: #139 Skip Intro

That’s going to complicate those 3am calls that he said Hillary wasn’t up to.

I can only imagine the security nightmare for the Secret Service if Trump Tower ends up being White House #2.

144
jaunte  Nov 11, 2016 • 8:12:10pm

re: #137 Charles Johnson

On top of his every other ridiculous, dangerous and disgusting aspects, Trump is afraid of using anyone else’s toilet.

145
bratwurst  Nov 11, 2016 • 8:12:49pm

Dumbass.

146
Pawn of the Oppressor  Nov 11, 2016 • 8:13:10pm

re: #142 The Ghost of a Flea

“N-words ain’t people. And everybody who ain’t us, is a n-word, or a n-word lover.”

Sadism. Dehumanization. Validation of self through abuse of others. We’re partying like it’s 1859.

147
EPR-radar  Nov 11, 2016 • 8:13:32pm

re: #142 The Ghost of a Flea

Really easily.

You can teach people who’s in-group and who’s out-group, and in turn they’ll be thrilled by the discomfort of the latter.

What unites the various sections of the GOP is a picture of “others”—the out-group—as qualitatively not of the same nature or substance as those of the in-group. For some this is a spiritual distinction, but for others it’s a racial or class-based one, and for some it’s a sort of Social Darwinist judgement of who’s a loser. Once you’re assigned to the out-group, you’re no longer as real or as human as if you were in the in-group, and it’s okay to be unsympathetic, or even cruel. The only good thing you can do for an out-group person is demand they comply with the in-group’s wishes…becoming acceptable, assimilated, but not truly afforded in-group status.

Too true. So sociopaths or ‘good Germans’ then.

148
Belafon  Nov 11, 2016 • 8:14:46pm

re: #131 Charles Johnson

One of the replies:

149
Cheechako  Nov 11, 2016 • 8:14:51pm

re: #137 Charles Johnson

[Embedded content]

Once trump moves to the trump tower he can rent the vacant office space to the Government for all the White House Staff. Make a profit on being POTUS.

And, we can mothball the White House to save tax dollars.

A double win!!

150
jaunte  Nov 11, 2016 • 8:15:16pm

re: #142 The Ghost of a Flea

for some it’s a sort of Social Darwinist judgement of who’s a loser

This is the element that came through most clearly at lunch today with some Greatest Generation conservatives.

151
klys (maker of Silmarils)  Nov 11, 2016 • 8:15:23pm

There was, several years back now, a discussion about Hitler’s Germany.

I remember it, although I cannot find a link to it (I’ve tried) in part because I remember what a specific Lizard said at the time. (I have no surprise upon seeing how that Lizard behaved post election, as a result.)

I will not be a good German.

152
BeenHereAwhile  Nov 11, 2016 • 8:15:31pm

re: #69 Kragar

Cheeto Benito is going to be a part time President

[Embedded content]

Blazing Saddles 1974 Ping Pong

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EPR-radar  Nov 11, 2016 • 8:16:11pm

re: #134 Pawn of the Oppressor

- Every cretinous, pin-dicked sadist racist piece of shit in this great nation feels emboldened to puke their filth out on the world because TURMP IS PERSIDENT NOW HUR HUR.

I wish I could multiply upding this delightfully accurate characterization of the ambulating malignant colon polyps that support Trump.

154
Unshaken Defiance  Nov 11, 2016 • 8:16:45pm

Gotta love Gus

155
William Lewis  Nov 11, 2016 • 8:16:52pm

re: #134 Pawn of the Oppressor

re: #134 Pawn of the Oppressor

156
HappyWarrior  Nov 11, 2016 • 8:17:18pm

re: #145 bratwurst

Dumbass.

[Embedded content]

Where has Trump been condemning the violence and bullying done by Trump supporters Fuck off Jeff.

157
Pawn of the Oppressor  Nov 11, 2016 • 8:17:53pm

re: #148 Belafon

One of the replies:

[Embedded content]

I can’t wait for Obama’s tell-all memoir, if we’re still around to read it. It may be printed in secret on the back of cigarette carton cardboard, and shared around trash-can fires in the dark nights of The Wastes, but it ought to be juicy.

158
Belafon  Nov 11, 2016 • 8:18:35pm

re: #134 Pawn of the Oppressor

I’m just angry, and it’s not going to go away.

- I’m disgusted and ferociously angry that a man who owes favors to the Russian security state apparatus is now chief Executive. That, by itself, is a giant steaming Dump on every bit of sacrifice and spending this country poured into the Cold War (justified or not). This guy is so fucking compromised that he’d never be able to get a security clearance under normal circumstances. Hey Wing-numbnuts, want to see what a REAL Manchurian candidate looks like? YOU JUST FUCKING VOTED FOR HIM.

- I am spitting mad at the notion that a bunch of Christian fascist ghouls are lining up to strip, abuse, and hurt women and LGBTQ people. One of my new friends out here is a brilliant young woman who happens to be transgender, with only the surgery remaining for transition, and I told her mother on Wednesday that if anybody comes to hurt her, they’re getting a bullet. This young lady is easily smarter than 99% of the people I have ever met in my life, working on an aeronautical engineering degree with an interest in rocketry. She is in the middle stages of her education and youth, on the cusp of moving up to do great work for a startup like SpaceX… This girl is going to help get us to Mars. She IS what the future should look like, a true 21st-Century heroine, and to think that a bunch of backwards-ass honky Taliban fucknauts in suits want to grind her out of existence slowly because they see her as an inhuman abomination, in the name of their bullshit god, is nearly enough to make me take up arms just by itself.

- What Would Jesus Do? Deny people health insurance, surely! SAID NOBODY EVER.

- Our nuclear and conventional arsenals, and all the people that operate them, and all the people that might be victimized by them, are in the hands of a guy with a two-minute attention span who can’t speak in complete sentences.

- Every cretinous, pin-dicked sadist racist piece of shit in this great nation feels emboldened to puke their filth out on the world because TURMP IS PERSIDENT NOW HUR HUR.

BUT WAIT, THERE’S MORE! But I’ll stop typing, because I’m not going anywhere we haven’t already been.

I’m just waiting to see how the Resistance takes shape, and how hard it’s going to be. New political party? Revitalized Democrats? Underground movement? Will we need to go dark and off the grid, and form militias to protect minorities and the vulnerable? We just don’t know yet how bad it’s truly going to be, but we know for sure there’s nothing good coming.

I told my wife and parents that I will be upfront in confronting any bigotry I see. If I can’t force it back into the bottle, I’ll force the bottle down their throats.

159
Kragar  Nov 11, 2016 • 8:19:00pm
160
Stanley Sea  Nov 11, 2016 • 8:20:28pm

re: #143 EPR-radar

I can only imagine the security nightmare for the Secret Service if Trump Tower ends up being White House #2.

They have sand filled dump trucks surrounding it now. NYers are pissed.

161
Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 11, 2016 • 8:20:34pm

re: #137 Charles Johnson

Precisely. To Trump the White House decor is a downgrade.

162
Belafon  Nov 11, 2016 • 8:20:35pm

re: #159 Kragar

163
Lidane  Nov 11, 2016 • 8:21:23pm

I’m frankly disgusted by the whole idea that I need to go out of my way to have empathy for Trump voters, or somehow try to understand where they’re coming from. Fuck that.

Trump ran a campaign that was so openly bigoted and xenophobic that he’s emboldened the fucking Klan. Racists are so confident that they can come out of the woodwork now that shit like this is happening in America:

THIS. THIS IS WHAT TRUMP SUPPORTERS VALIDATED. I’ve seen a lot of Trump voters online bleating about how they’re not racist or bigoted. Fuck that. They voted for someone who IS and who exploited that kind of hatred to become President. Yeah, you say you’re not racist, but you’re okay with voting for one? Pfft.

I’m not going to be very forgiving of Trump voters anytime soon, if at all. Even friends and family. This election has literally poisoned my view of a lot of people I thought I knew.

164
Cheechako  Nov 11, 2016 • 8:22:19pm

Anyone see any comments/statements from trump about Veterans Day?

I’m not disappointed as I never expected anything anyways.

165
BeenHereAwhile  Nov 11, 2016 • 8:23:47pm

re: #86 Charles Johnson

My mind keeps circling back around to a hard truth: we’re in deep shit, no matter how you cut it. Trump and his far right cronies are going to have four years to lay waste to everything we love about this country. They’re already getting started. And they’ll have both houses of Congress on their side.

Climate change. The Supreme Court. Marriage equality. Reproductive rights. The separation of church and state. It’s all on the chopping block. And the changes Trump makes will be long-lasting and take a hell of a lot of work to reverse, assuming we ever get in a position to do that again.

Not trying to be a downer, but damn. This sucks really hard and I don’t see how we can do anything to stop it.

Not to mention the 2nd iteration of the Harding administration.

166
klys (maker of Silmarils)  Nov 11, 2016 • 8:23:48pm

I can’t remember the text to cut off the first bit, but it’s definitely all about the reply here.

167
zephirus  Nov 11, 2016 • 8:24:42pm

re: #94 jaunte

We’re now hearing that Trump wants to enact his policy on this or that. No. He has no policies. He’s a puppet and is being told what to do because he knows nothing. I hate him.

168
KGxvi  Nov 11, 2016 • 8:28:55pm

re: #131 Charles Johnson

Gen apparently doesn’t realize that as president you can’t just stroll down to the corner coffee shop and get a cup, does he?

The Secret Service is going to fucking love this shit

169
EPR-radar  Nov 11, 2016 • 8:29:09pm

re: #163 Lidane

100% agree. Anyone who voted for Trump voted for an incredibly, dangerously unqualified piece of human garbage who is a serial sexual abuser and who ran a campaign of bigotry and scapegoating.

That really is unforgivable.

170
zephirus  Nov 11, 2016 • 8:31:02pm

re: #131 Charles Johnson

re: #143 EPR-radar

Maybe Melania will do over the Oval Office in gold so he feels more at home.

171
teleskiguy  Nov 11, 2016 • 8:33:24pm

re: #166 klys (maker of Silmarils)

I can’t remember the text to cut off the first bit

Just add ?hide to the end of the tweet URL.

172
zephirus  Nov 11, 2016 • 8:42:23pm
173
klys (maker of Silmarils)  Nov 11, 2016 • 8:48:18pm

re: #171 teleskiguy

Just add ?hide to the end of the tweet URL.

I’ll have to remember that for next time.

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Sherlock Hound  Nov 11, 2016 • 9:20:48pm

re: #135 Unshaken Defiance

[Embedded content]

From a good friend today. “I don’t want him in my airplane. In my White House. Sleeping is my sheets. Walking in my Rose Garden. He diminishes it all with his presence.”

Works for me.

Pence keeps the Football, though. I don’t trust the guy further than I can punch him, but he’s housebroken. No way does Trump keep it at his place. No.

175
Varek Raith  Nov 12, 2016 • 1:17:56am

re: #43 teleskiguy

*SHUDDERS AT XRAY*

176
Edge of a dream AKA Cankles Mccellulite  Nov 12, 2016 • 1:27:23am

My mom keeps asking me, “How did you know he was going to win?
I am asking, How did you not know??

177
MegPasadena  Nov 12, 2016 • 8:09:56am

re: #5 Joe Bacon

Ironical they will show up in Trump’s enemies list as well.


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