Trump Joins Forces With the Eurofascists

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I’ve been writing about the convergence of US and European far right parties for years. Now here it is, out in the open, at the highest level of US government.

The far right party Kyle Griffin is referring to is France’s Front National, which started as an openly Nazi-sympathizing, Holocaust-denying hate group. Marine Le Pen has cleaned up the image somewhat, but the hatred and xenophobia remain the same.

It’s deeply disturbing that the Trump campaign is making alliances with these Eurofascist groups. Who’s next? Jobbik? (That’s a Jobbik supporter pictured above.) Golden Dawn? Vlaams Belang? Sweden Democrats? The British National Party?

Trump also met today with another far right leader, the former head of the UKIP, Nigel Farage. And Dutch Muslim-hater Geert Wilders has been invited to several Trump events recently. This is no fluke. Stephen Bannon is very deliberately bringing some of the worst political forces in the world into alignment with the upcoming Trump administration.

It appears we’re in for some very dark times, folks.

UPDATE at 11/12/16 2:26:00 pm by Charles Johnson

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450 comments

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TedStriker  Nov 12, 2016 • 1:58:07pm

You know that Trump and Wilders will become fast friends…

*spit*

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Stanley Sea  Nov 12, 2016 • 1:58:38pm

Nigel Farage is at trump tower today.

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freetoken  Nov 12, 2016 • 1:59:46pm

Well, here’s one European who has no doubts about Trump:

Trump election: Juncker warns president may upset US ties with Europe

[…]

“We will need to teach the president-elect what Europe is and how it works,” Mr Juncker told students in Luxembourg.

The Commission chief predicted that two years would be wasted while Mr Trump “tours a world he doesn’t know”.

[…]

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Charles Johnson  Nov 12, 2016 • 2:00:36pm
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EPR-radar  Nov 12, 2016 • 2:01:01pm

About that demographics thing that’s supposed to eventually help the Democrats?

Trump is aligning with people who have ‘final solutions’ to deal with that.

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electrotek  Nov 12, 2016 • 2:02:00pm

How much longer before Trump pressures Norway to free Anders Breivik from prison?

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Velvet Elvis  Nov 12, 2016 • 2:02:33pm

re: #1 TedStriker

You know that Trump and Wilders will become fast friends…

*spit*

Actually, Wilders was at the Republican Convention as a guest of the Tennessee delegation.

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Citizen K  Nov 12, 2016 • 2:06:13pm

Anyone holding any illusions about the media actually bringing this to light the same way they tried to tie the stupid Rev. Wright bullshit around Obama, or the usual Soros boogeyman?

Of course not, because these are just nice white patriots worried about their respective countries and their economic health, right?

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Clearly a Country For Sick Old Haters  Nov 12, 2016 • 2:07:05pm

re: #6 electrotek

How much longer before Luthor pressures Norway to free Anders Breivik from prison?

I’m going to say now there’s no way that could happen, and hope I don’t look back on how naive I was right now. I think killing white kids is still frowned upon.

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austin_blue  Nov 12, 2016 • 2:07:55pm

Birds of a feather hate together.

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Charles Johnson  Nov 12, 2016 • 2:08:23pm
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bratwurst  Nov 12, 2016 • 2:08:31pm

re: #6 electrotek

How much longer before Trump pressures Norway to free Anders Breivik from prison?

I think there is more than enough to worry about without fantasizing about the new POTUS requesting that a foreign country release a mass murderer from prison.

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electrotek  Nov 12, 2016 • 2:08:36pm

re: #9 Clearly a Country For Sick Old Haters

I’m going to say now there’s no way that could happen, and hope I don’t look back on how naive I was right now. I think killing white kids is still frowned upon.

Not when they’re declared “race traitors” by them.

Remember, the NF praised Breivik’s ideas.

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Charles Johnson  Nov 12, 2016 • 2:09:25pm

re: #11 Charles Johnson

I did a reverse image search on this photo to try to make sure it wasn’t a fake from some other rally — looks like it’s real.

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JasonA  Nov 12, 2016 • 2:09:57pm

Old news by the standards we now have, but this should not be allowed to go away.

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jaunte  Nov 12, 2016 • 2:10:20pm

re: #14 Charles Johnson

I tried that too, but couldn’t get a match. Where else are you seeing it?

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stpaulbear  Nov 12, 2016 • 2:11:09pm

I still can’t read the news yet. It’s all I can do to read LGF without getting too depressed to function.

I wound up binge watching all of Ken Burns’ ‘The Civil War’ yesterday (it’s all on YouTube). I had never watched it before. I finished it thinking that we’re barely more enlightened now than we were back then. At least Lincoln won re-election.

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Citizen K  Nov 12, 2016 • 2:11:12pm

re: #16 jaunte

I tried that too, but couldn’t get a match. Where else are you seeing it?

I don’t think he is seeing it anywhere else, which is why he’s figuring it’s the real deal.

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TedStriker  Nov 12, 2016 • 2:11:19pm

re: #7 Velvet Elvis

Actually, Wilders was at the Republican Convention as a guest of the Tennessee delegation.

Yeah, I know…as a Tennessean, it pissed me off to no end, but, considering that Wilders spoke at a megachurch here in Nashville not even five miles away from my house back in 2011, I honestly can’t say I was surprised.

While most of metro Nashville/Davidson County is pretty blue, there are some pockets of red (generally where the money lives, such as Oak Hill, Green Hills, and Belle Meade) and many of our surrounding counties and exurbs are blood-red.

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Charles Johnson  Nov 12, 2016 • 2:11:33pm

re: #16 jaunte

I tried that too, but couldn’t get a match. Where else are you seeing it?

Nowhere else - that’s why I think it’s probably genuine. Not certain, of course, but there definitely are large protests going on in LA today.

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We're Way Beyond Snark  Nov 12, 2016 • 2:11:37pm

Hi, everyone,

I have to leave for a social event (!), but I wanted to mention, on the Constitutional Amendment front, that it doesn’t only take 3/4 of the states to ratify, it takes 2/3 of each house to pass them.

So be afraid, but not very afraid. Yet.

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JasonA  Nov 12, 2016 • 2:12:44pm

re: #21 We’re Way Beyond Snark

Hi, everyone,

I have to leave for a social event (!), but I wanted to mention, on the Constitutional Amendment front, that it doesn’t only take 3/4 of the states to ratify, it takes 2/3 of each house to pass them.

So be afraid, but not very afraid. Yet.

Wait, I thought you didn’t need Congress to do anything if the states came together to do it by themselves.

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jaunte  Nov 12, 2016 • 2:13:24pm
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Charles Johnson  Nov 12, 2016 • 2:14:16pm
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EPR-radar  Nov 12, 2016 • 2:15:19pm

re: #22 JasonA

Wait, I thought you didn’t need Congress to do anything if the states came together to do it by themselves.

IIRC there’s two ways to change the constitution.

1) Normal amendments: 2/3 of both houses in congress, 3/4 of the states.

2) New constitutional convention convened by the states (2/3). Any amendments proposed by this convention would still need to be approved by 3/4 of the states.

Nutjobs fantasize about #2, but nobody has ever pulled the pin on that grenade.

Edited to correct the fraction of states needed to call a convention.

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Citizen K  Nov 12, 2016 • 2:15:59pm

re: #24 Charles Johnson

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I feel like the lynching threats deserved headline space there. That’s just not racist, that’s violent threat and incitement there.

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We're Way Beyond Snark  Nov 12, 2016 • 2:17:52pm

re: #22 JasonA

Wait, I thought you didn’t need Congress to do anything if the states came together to do it by themselves.

True, but Constitutional Convention is a different animal — I find it hard to believe that 3/4 of the states would agree to call one, because of all the uncertainties associated with it.

(Really have to run now, sorry!)

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HappyWarrior  Nov 12, 2016 • 2:18:08pm

re: #24 Charles Johnson

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JasonA  Nov 12, 2016 • 2:18:26pm

re: #25 EPR-radar

IIRC there’s two ways to change the constitution.

1) Normal amendments: 2/3 of both houses in congress, 3/4 of the states.

2) New constitutional convention convened by the states (3/4 IIRC).

Nutjobs fantasize about #2, but nobody has ever pulled the pin on that grenade.

Ah, quite correct now that I pore over the details. Missed that it was a different percentage then for the proposal.

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thedopefishlives  Nov 12, 2016 • 2:20:14pm

re: #27 We’re Way Beyond Snark

True, but Constitutional Convention is a different animal — I find it hard to believe that 3/4 of the states would agree to call one, because of all the uncertainties associated with it.

(Really have to run now, sorry!)

It’s basically a nuclear option if the states feel like they need to bulldoze the federal government on some issue. I don’t think even Drumpf will push us so far as to trigger that particular fail-safe.

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baileylamb  Nov 12, 2016 • 2:22:00pm

I really have no words. I mean I’m not surprised. And knowing American history…

Okay maybe I do have two words: Surprise Me. Surprise me majority America and don’t fall back into old habits. Surprise me and don’t tell me “it’s not time yet” or “its too soon”. Surprise me and take this threat as seriously as you would an issue related to yourself. Because eventually this will infringe on your rights too (just like as before).

And before you say, “not me” or “not all”, surprise me and listen. Both of my grandfather’s were almost lynched despite living in different area of the country (North and South) and totally different means (rich pillars of the community vs poor).

I’ve seen attitudes change already with talk of “identity politics less” surprise me and realize it’s not how I identify, but how others identify me.
So yea those are my only words right now.
“Surprise Me”.

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Citizen K  Nov 12, 2016 • 2:23:26pm

re: #31 baileylamb

I really have no words. I mean I’m not surprised. And knowing American history…

Okay maybe I do have two words: Surprise Me. Surprise me majority America and don’t fall back into old habits. Surprise me and don’t tell me “it’s not time yet” or “its too soon”. Surprise me and take this threat as seriously as you would an issue related to yourself. Because eventually this will infringe on your rights too (just like as before).

And before you say, “not me” or “not all”, surprise me and listen. Both of my grandfather’s were almost lynched despite living in different area of the country (North and South) and totally different means (rich pillars of the community vs poor).

I’ve seen attitudes change already with talk of “identity politics less” surprise me and realize it’s not how I identify, but how others identify me.
So yea those are my only words right now.
“Surprise Me”.

“Less identity politics” is pretty much code for ‘only straight white people issues pls’.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 12, 2016 • 2:25:06pm

re: #31 baileylamb

I really have no words. I mean I’m not surprised. And knowing American history…

Okay maybe I do have two words: Surprise Me. Surprise me majority America and don’t fall back into old habits. Surprise me and don’t tell me “it’s not time yet” or “its too soon”. Surprise me and take this threat as seriously as you would an issue related to yourself. Because eventually this will infringe on your rights too (just like as before).

And before you say, “not me” or “not all”, surprise me and listen. Both of my grandfather’s were almost lynched despite living in different area of the country (North and South) and totally different means (rich pillars of the community vs poor).

I’ve seen attitudes change already with talk of “identity politics less” surprise me and realize it’s not how I identify, but how others identify me.
So yea those are my only words right now.
“Surprise Me”.

Man, both your grandfathers were almost lynched? See, that’s what a lot of white people and I say this as a white man don’t get when people talk about white privilege. That your grandfathers and many other men like them had to fear that is just something that so many whites cannot relate to, I can’t relate to it but I do want to be able to understand and empathize. The history has me worried. We really did take a big step back Tuesday night.

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TedStriker  Nov 12, 2016 • 2:25:23pm

re: #30 thedopefishlives

It’s basically a nuclear option if the states feel like they need to bulldoze the federal government on some issue. I don’t think even Drumpf will push us so far as to trigger that particular fail-safe.

Well, we didn’t think that President Play-Doh would actually win, so all bets are off.

Ever vigilant, brothers and sisters, ever vigilant…

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HappyWarrior  Nov 12, 2016 • 2:25:34pm

re: #32 Kryptik in Mourning

“Less identity politics” is pretty much code for ‘only straight white people issues pls’.

Which is funny because straight white Christians do nothing but engage in identity politics.

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Stanley Sea  Nov 12, 2016 • 2:26:44pm

re: #14 Charles Johnson

I did a reverse image search on this photo to try to make sure it wasn’t a fake from some other rally — looks like it’s real.

Hollywood reporter posted one as well earlier.

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Joe Bacon  Nov 12, 2016 • 2:26:50pm

re: #30 thedopefishlives

It’s basically a nuclear option if the states feel like they need to bulldoze the federal government on some issue. I don’t think even Drumpf will push us so far as to trigger that particular fail-safe.

Meanwhile Cenk and his WolfPAC is pushing to call a Constitutional Convention to overturn Citizens United. If he gets that the door is open for anything. That scares me. What will they go after in such a convention? Will they gut everything in the Bill of Rights except the 2nd Amendment?

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Charles Johnson  Nov 12, 2016 • 2:27:03pm
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thedopefishlives  Nov 12, 2016 • 2:28:13pm

re: #37 Joe Bacon

Meanwhile Cenk and his WolfPAC is pushing to call a Constitutional Convention to overturn Citizens United. If he gets that the door is open for anything. That scares me. What will they go after in such a convention? Will they gut everything in the Bill of Rights except the 2nd Amendment?

We don’t need a full goddamn Constitutional Convention just to get rid of Citizens. There’s got to be a better way. Well, there is - by not electing dipshits to state and federal positions - but that appears to be a long, long way away.

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Citizen K  Nov 12, 2016 • 2:28:15pm

re: #38 Charles Johnson

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Gee, I wonder why Neo-Nazis in other countries would be celebrating the election of an American president. What do you think, American Media, what’s with this weird and assuredly unconnected phenomenon?

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HappyWarrior  Nov 12, 2016 • 2:28:50pm

re: #38 Charles Johnson

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Sigh and my one brother who though not a Trump fan thinks I’m overreacting when I talk about how Trump has emboldened something very ugly here.

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No Depression  Nov 12, 2016 • 2:28:52pm

re: #38 Charles Johnson

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No place is safe from fascism it appears.

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Joe Bacon  Nov 12, 2016 • 2:30:20pm

re: #40 Kryptik in Mourning

Gee, I wonder why Neo-Nazis in other countries would be celebrating the election of an American president. What do you think, American Media, what’s with this weird and assuredly unconnected phenomenon?

They’re too busy covering the latest Kardashian caper. And in the meanwhile our bribed and corrupted press will use 30 seconds to saying naughty things about all those un-American sore loser rioters…

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baileylamb  Nov 12, 2016 • 2:30:48pm

re: #33 HappyWarrior

Yea the one in the North was in the Midwest state I can’t say the county or state bc someone would definitely know who I am.

Grandpa, well to do from a family with deep roots in the county, found the body (suicide) of a white woman in the creek that ran through his farm.

He alerted authorities, and my mom says it was a tense 4 days. They didn’t take him in put they sorta put my grandfather and his family under house arrest/protection. Which was humiliating. Also this was the 50s.

In the end, everyone decided it was definitely a suicide, and just unfortunate that the body came to rest where it did.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 12, 2016 • 2:30:55pm

re: #42 No Depression

No place is safe from fascism it appears.

It all feels like the 1930’s again. Fascism everywhere. Crazy as it sounds, I might rethink some of my positions on guns. I’m still in favor of background checks and things like that obviously.

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TedStriker  Nov 12, 2016 • 2:31:16pm

re: #35 HappyWarrior

Which is funny because straight white Christians do nothing but engage in identity politics.

Because theirs is the only ones that matter!

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Decatur Deb  Nov 12, 2016 • 2:31:32pm

re: #31 baileylamb

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HappyWarrior  Nov 12, 2016 • 2:32:53pm

re: #44 baileylamb

Yea the one in the North was in the Midwest state I can’t say the county or state bc someone would definitely know who I am.

Grandpa, well to do from a family with deep roots in the county, found the body (suicide) of a white woman in the creek that ran through his farm.

He alerted authorities, and my mom says it was a tense 4 days. They didn’t take him in put they sorta put my grandfather and his family under house arrest/protection. Which was humiliating. Also this was the 50s.

In the end, everyone decided it was definitely a suicide, and just unfortunate that the body came to rest where it did.

I understand. Just awful. I can’t fathom what that must have been like. I’ve reading a wonderful book about the Great Migration and I have to say, it seems to me that many African-Americans were in a way more immigrants than actual immigrants. So many in white America either have no idea what men like your grandfathers went through for generations or they have no attempt to want to understand.

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baileylamb  Nov 12, 2016 • 2:34:36pm

re: #47 Decatur Deb

Thank you.

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Lancelot Link  Nov 12, 2016 • 2:34:54pm

I’m getting the sinking feeling that it won’t be long before we look back on 2016 with nostalgia.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Nov 12, 2016 • 2:36:41pm

re: #23 jaunte

RIOTERS! THUGS!

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baileylamb  Nov 12, 2016 • 2:36:56pm

re: #48 HappyWarrior

Well it was in some ways worse, bc my grandfather’s family were the first settlers in the county. So to say they were (still are) very proud people is an understatment.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 12, 2016 • 2:38:17pm

I’ve said it before but while I have no doubt that my ancestors who emigrated to the US had difficult lives and even experienced discrimination whether for being Catholic or being the wrong ethnic group, it wasn’t even close to what African-Americans have gone through especially from the start. Working in iron works as my great great grandfather and his brothers and in laws did was tough work as was the coal mining other members of the family later did but they were still free. And they didn’t have to worry if they looked at someone the wrong way being killed. I’ve seen some other white Americans of Irish descent say the Irish got picked on and never complained. Uh yeah, we did, we raised hell like BLM is trying to do and we got called the same names and shit. BLM isn’t complaining anyhow.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 12, 2016 • 2:39:14pm

re: #52 baileylamb

Well it was in some ways worse, bc my grandfather’s family were the first settlers in the county. So to say they were (still are) very proud people is an understatment.

Yeah I don’t blame them. It’s just so awful. I’m not an easily teared up person but it broke my heart when I first read about Emmett Till and thinking this was something that happened in my own father’s lifetime and for what? Whistling at a lady?

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ipsos  Nov 12, 2016 • 2:41:15pm

HE HAS BEEN TELLING US HE IS A SNAKE ALL ALONG.

When will we start listening?

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HappyWarrior  Nov 12, 2016 • 2:43:18pm

Clinton is blaming Comey for the loss and honestly I don’t blame her at all. She should be pissed and I don’t blame her if she holds a grudge against Comey for it. Comey’s a fuckign hypocrite. Discloses the Clinton info but didn’t dare disclose anything about Putin and Russia. Fuck him. Obama made a big, big mistake picking him to be FBI director but I can’t get too mad at Obama because Comey was said to have integrity which he evidently lacks.

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Barefoot Grin  Nov 12, 2016 • 2:44:45pm

re: #48 HappyWarrior

I understand. Just awful. I can’t fathom what that must have been like. I’ve reading a wonderful book about the Great Migration and I have to say, it seems to me that many African-Americans were in a way more immigrants than actual immigrants. So many in white America either have no idea what men like your grandfathers went through for generations or they have no attempt to want to understand.

One of the worst states for lynchings was Indiana. It was the national headquarters for the revival of the KKK and had many, many “sundown” towns. Of course, we also know that St. Louis was no picnic. Hell, a lot of the midwest remains very segregated.

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baileylamb  Nov 12, 2016 • 2:45:05pm

re: #55 ipsos

HE HAS BEEN TELLING US HE IS A SNAKE ALL ALONG.

When will we start listening?

Oh I’ve been listening, just caught off guard that he won (mainly bc family members said he could not). So now we are scrambling with how to leave and where to go.

I mean don’t get me wrong I feel like Franklin County is a green zone (and history bares that out), but still.

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sandralhanlon  Nov 12, 2016 • 2:45:09pm

I am not usually hair on fire alarmed, but this looks like fascism 101 to me. Trump will not denounce the racism, because this chaos works for him. He will bait the protesters and may even plant some “protesters” to start riots because it works for him. He has no problem letting the country become the hellhole he ranted about at his rallies. The more chaos, the more we will turn against each other and he will be able to justify grabbing all the power he desires. Next election talk is meaningless, if we don’t maintain our rights and the rights of each and everyone of us (and yes even the KKK!). So, plan. My plan, that needs work, cause I didn’t think I needed one until Florida & the Senate fell, is this.
(1) Protect all citizens as best you can. Wear the safety pin. Have a response ready before you confront a racist “I don’t accept that premise” “What would Jesus think?” “I am on the side of decency”. Record, but do not argue, just repeat your planned response. I am with Michael Moore. White folks have a special obligation to protect those most at risk. Stand in front, but let their voices carry through the lines. It isn’t about us.Wear a safety pin. Put a sign in your door. If you must, buy a gun. These will be dangerous times.
(2) Protest smart, nonviolent & expect someone to try to start something. Be prepared to leave, don’t let us become associated with fear. (3) Get ground alliances in place. Careful who you trust, don’t rely on labels. A small c conservative can be a better ally in fighting to protect Rights under the constitution, that a lefty yearning for a revolution. We can pick up the political skirmishes after the real threat is over. (4) Forget everything don’t waste your energy on anything but maintaining the Rights of all citizens and the Rule of Law. The press will be attacked first. Yes, they let us down, but you will have to defend them. They won’t step up to the plate, but we can’t give away any rights, or they could fall like dominoes. (5) Give to associations already in the fight. Give until it hurts. Planned Parenthood. NARAL. ACLU. Any organization committed to defending rights has the practice & they will need money. (6) Fly the American Flag. “yes, I am a patriot, I proudly pay my taxes, because I realize what a bargain I get.” “Yes I am a Patriot, because I proudly pay my taxes to ensure our Veterans are given back everything they deserve.” Propaganda big time. True, but we need to reclaim the flag & the label Patriot. Yes I am a Patriot, because I believe in equal rights for all citizens and believe this country should be safe for all visitors, no matter why they are here. (7) Purity politics is dead. There is no such thing as “corrupt” money. I don’t care where the money comes from as long as it ends up being used to defend our rights & the constitution.

Just a start. Feel free to attack, improve, suggest, add. Just don’t try to convince me there is no threat, because it is as clear as the words I am typing now. Just as clear as the knowledge I had that Hillary had lost before Florida was even called.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 12, 2016 • 2:45:29pm

re: #57 Barefoot Grin

One of the worst states for lynchings was Indiana. It was the national headquarters for the revival of the KKK and had many, many “sundown” towns. Of course, we also know that St. Louis was no picnic. Hell, a lot of the midwest remains very segregated.

I think I remember reading that in the 20’s, 1/3 Indiana white Protestant native born males was a KKK member.

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Charles Johnson  Nov 12, 2016 • 2:47:27pm
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Timothy Watson  Nov 12, 2016 • 2:48:03pm

re: #45 HappyWarrior

It all feels like the 1930’s again. Fascism everywhere. Crazy as it sounds, I might rethink some of my positions on guns. I’m still in favor of background checks and things like that obviously.

I am buying some ammunition once the prices start to go down.

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ipsos  Nov 12, 2016 • 2:48:43pm

re: #61 Charles Johnson

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baileylamb  Nov 12, 2016 • 2:49:46pm

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Kragar  Nov 12, 2016 • 2:52:22pm
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Decatur Deb  Nov 12, 2016 • 2:53:43pm

re: #59 sandralhanlon

Truly great points. In view of the seriousness of the situation the required pineapple question will be waived.

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Barefoot Grin  Nov 12, 2016 • 2:53:57pm

re: #60 HappyWarrior

I think I remember reading that in the 20’s, 1/3 Indiana white Protestant native born males was a KKK member.

I heard a funny story about Richmond, IN once. For some reason, Richmond had a thriving recording industry. Jazz and blues groups recorded there and of course had their own black hotels. On at least one occasion in the ’20s or ’30s, a famous jazz group* had just finished recording and was leaving the studio as a KKK group entered to record anthems (yes, the KKK cut records back then). Some uncomfortable exchanges, but they passed in peace. (Pretty sure Glenn Miller was from Richmond.)

*I want to say Louis Armstrong, but I don’t remember.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 12, 2016 • 2:54:28pm
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HappyWarrior  Nov 12, 2016 • 2:56:12pm

re: #67 Barefoot Grin

I heard a funny story about Richmond, IN once. For some reason, Richmond had a thriving recording industry. Jazz and blues groups recorded there and of course had their own black hotels. On at least one occasion in the ’20s or ’30s, a famous jazz group* had just finished recording and was leaving the studio as a KKK group entered to record anthems (yes, the KKK cut records back then). Some uncomfortable exchanges, but they passed in peace. (Pretty sure Glenn Miller was from Richmond.)

*I want to say Louis Armstrong, but I don’t remember.

Crazy. But yeah I knew the KKK had jingles back then. They very much tried to Americanize it. It’s not a coincidence that the KKK was its most successful when they marketed themselves that way rather than as a Southern vets group in the years of Reconstruction.

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makeitstop  Nov 12, 2016 • 2:56:34pm

re: #24 Charles Johnson

University of Oklahoma student suspended for sending racist messages

‘Suspended’ is nice.

You know what wold be really nice? ‘Arrested.’

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Stanley Sea  Nov 12, 2016 • 2:56:41pm
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JasonA  Nov 12, 2016 • 2:57:55pm

Does anyone have a source for this or is she just running her mouth off?

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HappyWarrior  Nov 12, 2016 • 2:58:30pm

re: #71 Stanley Sea

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It’s happening everywhere. Trump has really awoken something ugly in this country like I’ve never seen ebfore. You know when 9/11 happened, Bush to his credit went out of his way to condemn hatred against Muslims. Trump hasn’t come close to doing any thing like this. He’s created a new movement that truly scares me.

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Charles Johnson  Nov 12, 2016 • 3:01:15pm

re: #72 JasonA

Does anyone have a source for this or is she just running her mouth off?

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The latter. Sergey debunked this one: littlegreenfootballs.com

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sandralhanlon  Nov 12, 2016 • 3:01:15pm

re: #66 Decatur Deb
Go ahead, make my day.

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thedopefishlives  Nov 12, 2016 • 3:01:28pm

re: #73 HappyWarrior

It’s happening everywhere. Trump has really awoken something ugly in this country like I’ve never seen ebfore. You know when 9/11 happened, Bush to his credit went out of his way to condemn hatred against Muslims. Trump hasn’t come close to doing any thing like this. He’s created a new movement that truly scares me.

I still echo the sentiment that Drumpf didn’t awaken it - he merely legitimized it.

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Nyet  Nov 12, 2016 • 3:01:57pm

re: #72 JasonA

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HappyWarrior  Nov 12, 2016 • 3:02:20pm

re: #76 thedopefishlives

I still echo the sentiment that Drumpf didn’t awaken it - he merely legitimized it.

True, true.

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sandralhanlon  Nov 12, 2016 • 3:02:38pm

re: #73 HappyWarrior
Trump won’t because chaos helps in his attempt to grab all the power. That is just how I see it. It will get ugly.

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Don't Blame Me, I Voted for Kodos  Nov 12, 2016 • 3:02:53pm

I hate saying it but it is no longer a matter of “if” but a matter of “when” an alt-right/far-right act of large-scale (think hundreds of people affected) act of domestic terrorism happens. These people think of Anders Breivik, Dylan Roof, Jared Loughner, Eric Rudolph, and Timothy Mc Veigh as heroes, and are being emboldened by the election of Trump. What’s worse, when it does happen, they will openly celebrate the act.

Trump’s proud prediction of this being Brexit times 50, where there has been a massive upswing in assaults against non-whites since that vote is already showing itself to be true in the United States.

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JasonA  Nov 12, 2016 • 3:03:06pm

re: #74 Charles Johnson

I suspected as much. Thank you.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 12, 2016 • 3:03:14pm

re: #77 Nyet

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Sergey, I always respect that you strive for accuracy even if it’s something we may want to confirm something we believe to be true. We cant’ fall for doing what the assholes do.

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makeitstop  Nov 12, 2016 • 3:03:56pm

re: #59 sandralhanlon

Welcome, Hatchling. Good post.

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goddamnedfrank  Nov 12, 2016 • 3:05:15pm
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HappyWarrior  Nov 12, 2016 • 3:06:01pm

I am glad that I have my genealogical research and job to distract me from being totally despondent over the election results.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 12, 2016 • 3:06:51pm

And if anyone ever wants any tips or even a preliminary search, I’d be willing to help out. Obviously my interest is more in my own family but I like learning about other people’s family history too.

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sandralhanlon  Nov 12, 2016 • 3:07:15pm

re: #83 makeitstop

Is there something that revealed that is my first post? Yes, I am a lurker. But I need a plan in place. I never suspected I might be called to fight fascism and authoritarianism. 58, and I think I discovered my calling.

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thedopefishlives  Nov 12, 2016 • 3:07:51pm

re: #87 sandralhanlon

Is there something that revealed that is my first post? Yes, I am a lurker. But I need a plan in place. I never suspected I might be called to fight fascism and authoritarianism. 58, and I think I discovered my calling.

We can see your post count in your user profile. Also, we mostly know each other here.

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TedStriker  Nov 12, 2016 • 3:08:43pm

re: #62 Timothy Watson

I am buying some ammunition once the prices start to go down.

Good luck with that…gun makers might be taking a bit of a bath right now, but I’m sure ammo makers are still selling all they can make or import, so I wouldn’t look for that to change any time soon.

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Decatur Deb  Nov 12, 2016 • 3:08:54pm

re: #87 sandralhanlon

Is there something that revealed that is my first post? Yes, I am a lurker. But I need a plan in place. I never suspected I might be called to fight fascism and authoritarianism. 58, and I think I discovered my calling.

There is a way. We only share it with lizards who correctly answer the pineapple question.

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Stanley Sea  Nov 12, 2016 • 3:09:04pm
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thedopefishlives  Nov 12, 2016 • 3:09:16pm

re: #90 Decatur Deb

There is a way. We only share it with lizards who correctly answer the pineapple question.

Wait, I thought that was the recipe for the gamey troll buttocks.

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JasonA  Nov 12, 2016 • 3:09:28pm

re: #87 sandralhanlon

Is there something that revealed that is my first post? Yes, I am a lurker. But I need a plan in place. I never suspected I might be called to fight fascism and authoritarianism. 58, and I think I discovered my calling.

Welcome aboard!

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Kragar  Nov 12, 2016 • 3:09:51pm

re: #84 goddamnedfrank

Wouldn’t mind seeing Necromunda make a come back. I’d like to run an Arbites Team

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Romantic Heretic  Nov 12, 2016 • 3:09:58pm

re: #87 sandralhanlon

Welcome aboard.

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Skip Intro  Nov 12, 2016 • 3:12:39pm

re: #40 Kryptik in Mourning

Gee, I wonder why Neo-Nazis in other countries would be celebrating the election of an American president. What do you think, American Media, what’s with this weird and assuredly unconnected phenomenon?

American media is too busy doing Thanksgiving recepies now to deal with this. Then there’s Christmas, then New Years, and before you know it it’s Groundhog day again.

There just isn’t enough time to cover all of these important stories.

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Skip Intro  Nov 12, 2016 • 3:15:31pm

re: #50 Lancelot Link

I’m getting the sinking feeling that it won’t be long before we look back on 2016 with nostalgia.

Maybe 2015. 2016 has been a shitstorm of epic proportions since January.

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sandralhanlon  Nov 12, 2016 • 3:16:17pm

Thanks all.
I knew you all were welcoming, but never felt the need to post, until today. Not sure where to turn to, frankly.

Plus, you all are witty. Me? I need to work on that.

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thedopefishlives  Nov 12, 2016 • 3:16:59pm

re: #98 sandralhanlon

Thanks all.
I knew you all were welcoming, but never felt the need to post, until today. Not sure where to turn to, frankly.

Plus, you all are witty. Me? I need to work on that.

Well, you came to the right place. As we say around these parts, better to be a smartass than a dumbass.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 12, 2016 • 3:17:09pm

re: #97 Skip Intro

Maybe 2015. 2016 has been a shitstorm of epic proportions since January.

Got off to a real bad start when we lost Bowie.

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JasonA  Nov 12, 2016 • 3:17:30pm
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thedopefishlives  Nov 12, 2016 • 3:18:21pm

re: #101 JasonA

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As my favorite saying goes, “What could POSSIBLY go wrong?!”

Disclaimer: The last time I said that, Donald Trump was elected President of the United States.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 12, 2016 • 3:18:39pm

;D

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JasonA  Nov 12, 2016 • 3:19:22pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 12, 2016 • 3:19:54pm

One of my Cohen favourites. VERY prescient this week:

Leonard Cohen - Democracy

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baileylamb  Nov 12, 2016 • 3:20:19pm

re: #104 JasonA

Well that’s always a good sign….

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thedopefishlives  Nov 12, 2016 • 3:20:56pm

re: #106 baileylamb

Well that’s always a good sign….

How many millions of dollars is the Republican-controlled Congress going to waste on more investigations of Benghazi!!! and Emailgate!!!?

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JasonA  Nov 12, 2016 • 3:21:03pm

re: #106 baileylamb

Well that’s always a good sign….

Hey, give them a chance!

*spit*

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HappyWarrior  Nov 12, 2016 • 3:21:07pm

re: #104 JasonA

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Oh but we should be understanding. // Really fuck them. You know what, maybe if we do, my one brother will stop believing that it was a fix and the Clintons and Trumps are all buddy-buddy.

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makeitstop  Nov 12, 2016 • 3:22:43pm

re: #87 sandralhanlon

Is there something that revealed that is my first post? Yes, I am a lurker. But I need a plan in place. I never suspected I might be called to fight fascism and authoritarianism. 58, and I think I discovered my calling.

If a name doesn’t look familiar, I look at the profile for a join date. I’m in the middle ground between Hatchling and Old Head, and a lot of times I’ll check a name that I don’t recognize and find out they’ve been here longer than I have.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 12, 2016 • 3:22:47pm

jeebus

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JasonA  Nov 12, 2016 • 3:22:50pm
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Tigger2005  Nov 12, 2016 • 3:23:51pm
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Tigger2005  Nov 12, 2016 • 3:24:46pm

re: #111 Backwoods_Sleuth

jeebus

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He needs the adulation.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 12, 2016 • 3:25:29pm

re: #111 Backwoods_Sleuth

jeebus

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And these are the same people who accused Obama of being ungracious. FFS, you won the presidency not the Super Bowl.

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makeitstop  Nov 12, 2016 • 3:25:35pm

re: #98 sandralhanlon

Thanks all.
I knew you all were welcoming, but never felt the need to post, until today. Not sure where to turn to, frankly.

Plus, you all are witty. Me? I need to work on that.

You’ll be fine.

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jaunte  Nov 12, 2016 • 3:25:46pm

re: #87 sandralhanlon

Welcome. If you click on the little icon to the left of each comment, you can see some information about the poster, including number of comments and registration date.
If anyone asks you about pineapple on pizza, take the fifth.

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Decatur Deb  Nov 12, 2016 • 3:25:57pm

re: #111 Backwoods_Sleuth

jeebus

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I want to be the slave that rides behind him on the chariot.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 12, 2016 • 3:25:58pm

This man is already making a mockery of the Presidency and he hasn’t even been President elect a week yet.

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Don't Blame Me, I Voted for Kodos  Nov 12, 2016 • 3:26:54pm

re: #103 Backwoods_Sleuth

;D

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realize that he’ll be in his late 70s when 2020 rolls around, but I really, REALLY want to see Uncle Joe make one serious run for the White House.

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Decatur Deb  Nov 12, 2016 • 3:27:07pm

re: #116 makeitstop

You’ll be fine.

Actually, I’d give up some witty for some of that coherence.

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Stanley Sea  Nov 12, 2016 • 3:28:13pm

I am just so depressed. So I’m going to catch up on Rectify.

A depressing, beautiful show. Ha.

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JasonA  Nov 12, 2016 • 3:28:31pm

I’m more curious than I was before to see what Dave Chappelle has to say on SNL tonight.

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Skip Intro  Nov 12, 2016 • 3:28:41pm

re: #107 thedopefishlives

Hey, who cares? Deficits and the National Debt no longer matter because the GOP controls everything.

That crap only comes out of the closet every two to four years anyway to rile up the rubes.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 12, 2016 • 3:28:49pm

re: #120 Don’t Blame Me, I Voted for Kodos

realize that he’ll be in his late 70s when 2020 rolls around, but I really, REALLY want to see Uncle Joe make one serious run for the White House.

The time to do it was 2016. I hear ya though. If he had ran in the primaries, I probably would have campaigned for him. Biden’s great. I am really hoping though he enjoys retirement with his family. He’s had a lifetime of public service and I hope his retirement years are good to him. He deserves it. I really hope I can meet him one day and thank him and President Obama for doing their best to make this country and world a better place.

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sandralhanlon  Nov 12, 2016 • 3:28:54pm

re: #119 HappyWarrior

He is ruthless and vindictive and he has control of the most powerful country in the world. He cares not one iota about anything but gathering more prestige.

He is America’s Kim Jong-Un.

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CuriousLurker  Nov 12, 2016 • 3:29:17pm

re: #71 Stanley Sea

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I was wondering earlier today of all these plans to attack women’s rights are an attempt to stuff the feminism genie back in the bottle and force women to stay home barefoot & pregnant so they can do their part to fight the demographic tide.

Won’t do much good though. Globally speaking, black, brown and yellow people have a big advantage in terms of numbers. Hell, China + India alone make up over 30% of the world’s population. worldometers.info

Also, even if the racists here in the U.S. wanted to implement some kind of “final solution,” who would be left to do all the jobs they consider themselves too good for? I’m guessing even if they could get rid of all the races & ethnicities they disapprove of, then they’d have to turn a portion of white people into an underclass.

Yay, feudalism! Who wants to volunteer to be the first serfs?

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Nyet  Nov 12, 2016 • 3:29:20pm

*eyeroll*
huffingtonpost.com

President Barack Obama and Vice President Joe Biden are reviewing the Democratic Coalition’s investigative report highlighting 10 “clear links” that the FBI failed to investigate about our President-elect’s business ties to Russia, and to the Putin regime.

It’s named “The Dworkin Report.”

“The FBI missed at least 10 key connections between President-elect Trump and Russia when they conducted their investigation and concluded that our President-elect had no links to the country,” said Scott Dworkin, Senior Advisor to the Democratic Coalition and author of the report. “It is imperative that the American people be made aware of this information.”

The Dworkin Report shows that Donald Trump has incorporated almost 250 registered businesses in Russia.

This hard evidence directly contradicts Trump’s prior statements about having no business ties to Russia over the summer.

These are the same guys who’ve been pushing this all along.

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CuriousLurker  Nov 12, 2016 • 3:31:32pm

re: #111 Backwoods_Sleuth

jeebus

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He’s sooooo effing NEEDY.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 12, 2016 • 3:32:38pm

re: #129 CuriousLurker

He’s sooooo effing NEEDY.

No airport hangar will be safe…

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Nyet  Nov 12, 2016 • 3:33:57pm
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makeitstop  Nov 12, 2016 • 3:34:31pm

re: #130 Backwoods_Sleuth

No airport hangar will be safe…

Only it’ll be fucking AF1 pulling up. I gotta go throw up.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 12, 2016 • 3:34:42pm

re: #128 Nyet

*eyeroll*
huffingtonpost.com

These are the same guys who’ve been pushing this all along.

You know, I really wish we wouldn’t do the same stuff that annoys us in wingers. I want us to win, be successful, implement our ideology, but I want us not to fall into pushing falsehoods and non truths.

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sandralhanlon  Nov 12, 2016 • 3:35:17pm

re: #127 CuriousLurker

The racism and purging and pitting one group against the other isn’t the point of this whole nightmare. He did what he thought would get him the Presidency. Now he will do whatever he thinks will give him more power.

He is a CEO, not a politician. He has no plans to share power with the GOP. He will use them like he used his supporters. We are all just pawns. The GOP will eventually catch on, and they are leery, but it might be too late.

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CuriousLurker  Nov 12, 2016 • 3:35:51pm

So anyway, I initially just came by to drop this tweet off since it’s on-topic WRT this article (part 2 of 2 was a link to the current LGF article):

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makeitstop  Nov 12, 2016 • 3:36:23pm

re: #133 HappyWarrior

You know, I really wish we wouldn’t do the same stuff that annoys us in wingers. I want us to win, be successful, implement our ideology, but I want us not to fall into pushing falsehoods and non truths.

It could potentially be worse. If the White House does look into it, it will be revealed as fake and could completely discredit Obama.

I really hope they’re smarter than this.

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Kragar  Nov 12, 2016 • 3:36:41pm
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HappyWarrior  Nov 12, 2016 • 3:36:47pm

re: #136 makeitstop

It could potentially be worse. If the White House does look into it, it will be revealed as fake and could completely discredit Obama.

I really hope they’re smarter than this.

Absolutely.

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CuriousLurker  Nov 12, 2016 • 3:40:11pm

re: #134 sandralhanlon

He’s in way, WAY over his head. That much is clear. I get the distinct feeling that before his first two years are up he’s going to screw up in a spectacular, massive way with the entire world watching. I just hope he doesn’t take too many of us down with him.

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JasonA  Nov 12, 2016 • 3:40:50pm

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 12, 2016 • 3:41:13pm
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jaunte  Nov 12, 2016 • 3:44:17pm
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baileylamb  Nov 12, 2016 • 3:44:42pm

re: #141 Backwoods_Sleuth

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That makes me want to weep. That seems worse than the harassment my friends recited on 9/11.

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Charles Johnson  Nov 12, 2016 • 3:45:13pm

The tweet storm feature of our super-extravagant LGF Connect tweet button now shows you a live preview of what the series of tweets will look like, as you type.

Tweet

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CuriousLurker  Nov 12, 2016 • 3:45:43pm

re: #141 Backwoods_Sleuth

They always target the women. Too chickenshit to target the men, and Muslim women are easily identifiable by their scarves. Maybe we should start sewing razor blades into the edges of them as a nasty little surprise for the next asshole that grabs one and tries to snatch it off a woman’s head.

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Feline Fearless Leader  Nov 12, 2016 • 3:45:46pm

re: #124 Skip Intro

Hey, who cares? Deficits and the National Debt no longer matter because the GOP controls everything.

That crap only comes out of the closet every two to four years anyway to rile up the rubes.

What? No more periodic monster debates over increasing the debt limit!?!

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Feline Fearless Leader  Nov 12, 2016 • 3:46:59pm

re: #127 CuriousLurker

I was wondering earlier today of all these plans to attack women’s rights are an attempt to stuff the feminism genie back in the bottle and force women to stay home barefoot & pregnant so they can do their part to fight the demographic tide.

Won’t do much good though. Globally speaking, black, brown and yellow people have a big advantage in terms of numbers. Hell, China + India alone make up over 30% of the world’s population. worldometers.info

Also, even if the racists here in the U.S. wanted to implement some kind of “final solution,” who would be left to do all the jobs they consider themselves too good for? I’m guessing even if they could get rid of all the races & ethnicities they disapprove of, then they’d have to turn a portion of white people into an underclass.

Yay, feudalism! Who wants to volunteer to be the first serfs?

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Won’t be volunteers. Will be mandated via our criminal justice system.

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Decatur Deb  Nov 12, 2016 • 3:47:35pm

re: #145 CuriousLurker

They always target the women. Too chickenshit to target the men, and Muslim women are easily identifiable by their scarves. Maybe we should start sewing razor blades into the edges of them as a nasty little surprise for the next asshole that grabs one and tries to snatch it off a woman’s head.

Watching The Peaky Blinders, are ye?

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BeachDem  Nov 12, 2016 • 3:47:52pm

re: #111 Backwoods_Sleuth

jeebus

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.@KellyannePolls says its possible Trump will go on a victory tour

More and more like The Hunger Games every day.

But, because the only thing he cares about are fans and recognition, not surprising. Nor was the tidbit about how he had not spared one minute to look at any policy papers or administrative info he’d been given.

He can’t read.
He’s not that bright.
He has a very short attention span.

But, hey—he told us that what he was going to do if he became president was let somebody else do the work while he was out making America great again—that’s what he thinks his rallies are.

Thanks American assholes and idiots. Excuse me while I go projectile vomit across the universe.

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CuriousLurker  Nov 12, 2016 • 3:48:22pm

OT - BTW, there was also this:

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Skip Intro  Nov 12, 2016 • 3:48:52pm

re: #146 Feline Fearless Leader

What? No more periodic monster debates over increasing the debt limit!?!

Or shutting down the government. No sir. No time to waste.

There’s a country to sell down the tubes now.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 12, 2016 • 3:49:36pm
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BeachDem  Nov 12, 2016 • 3:50:28pm

re: #126 sandralhanlon

He is ruthless and vindictive and he has control of the most powerful country in the world. He cares not one iota about anything but gathering more prestige.

He is America’s Kim Jong-Un.

With even more ridiculous hair and less of a grasp on reality.

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Skip Intro  Nov 12, 2016 • 3:51:35pm

re: #149 BeachDem

His first major speech as pres (and all subsequent ones) is going to be an international embarrassment, but our media will eat it up even if he calls for internment camps for people who have been unfair to him.

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Nyet  Nov 12, 2016 • 3:53:56pm

There is a mole stench around this Dworkin guy. Even the debunked claim aside, his report is ridiculous. I don’t mean untruthful, but the parts that are relevant we already knew about (Flynn and Stein dining with Putin, for example).

Take the part about Piotrovsky. Dworkin says Trump met with Piotrovsky and then inserts photos of Piotrovsky meeting with Putin and Putin giving him a medal.
Piotrovsky is a fucking director of the State Hermitage. Of course he would meet with Putin, of course Putin would give him a medal and of course he meets with a buttload of important people all over the world.

It’s like someone in Russia posting about evil Mr. X who the Librarian of the Congress met with, then posting her pics with Obama in order to tie Mr. X to Obama. I can’t even.

And all of these irrelevancies pile up to introduce the “bombshell” of the “250 businesses”.

Either this Dworkin guy is a pure imbecile, or it’s a deeper game.

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sandralhanlon  Nov 12, 2016 • 3:54:57pm

re: #139 CuriousLurker
I am not much more comforted by the thought that the GOP DOES recognize the threat, and effectively takes him out (impeachment or otherwise) and leaves us with Pence.

Pence doesn’t want to be Dictator of the whole world, but I do think he has wet dreams about a “Christian Nation”.

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Cheechako  Nov 12, 2016 • 3:54:58pm

Had a great dream last night. Dreamed that in the next 4 weeks, trump becomes very frustrated with the amount work (24/7, 365) is required to be the POTUS. He decides the hell with all that crap and directs his Electoral College to vote for Hillary. He considers this the “ultimate revenge” to stick her with all this real work.

A guy can dream can’t he? (Can dreams really come true?)

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Nyet  Nov 12, 2016 • 3:55:03pm

re: #150 CuriousLurker

If Bolton is somewhere in Trump’s cabinet, he’ll take Pamz with him.

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TedStriker  Nov 12, 2016 • 3:56:18pm

re: #158 Nyet

If Bolton is somewhere in Trump’s cabinet, he’ll take Pamz with him.

Oh, joy…

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sandralhanlon  Nov 12, 2016 • 3:57:53pm

re: #145 CuriousLurker

We could all start wearing scarfs. We could all register as Muslims if it comes to that. Divide & conquer is again, straight out of Fascism 101, but the populous as a whole can fight that.

Just don’t think Americans have it in them. But I am calling everyone in my life that insisted they would have fought the Nazis & telling them, now is the opportunity to prove it.

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makeitstop  Nov 12, 2016 • 3:57:59pm

re: #157 Cheechako

Had a great dream last night. Dreamed that in the next 4 weeks, trump becomes very frustrated with the amount work (24/7, 365) is required to be the POTUS. He decides the hell with all that crap and directs his Electoral College to vote for Hillary. He considers this the “ultimate revenge” to stick her with all this real work.

A guy can dream can’t he? (Can dreams really come true?)

That’s nearly as good as my ‘Obama reveals the goods on Trump’ daydream from yesterday. :)

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CuriousLurker  Nov 12, 2016 • 3:58:07pm

re: #148 Decatur Deb

Watching The Peaky Blinders, are ye?

Nope, never seen it, just getting fed up up with the reports of attacks on Muslim women and letting my brain wander down some rather dark paths.

That story with drunk guy with the lighter? Reminded me of a Nuyorican woman I met not too long after I first arrived up here. She’d done time in prison and wasn’t to be trifled with, but people see the hijab and make all sorts of assumptions, y’know? Anyway, not too long after 9/11 she was putting gas in her car and a man approached her holding his gas nozzle and threatening to douse her with it and set her on fire.

Her response? She dropped everything, threw herself at him, and wrapped her arms around him in a huge bear hug telling him to go ahead and do it, but know that he’d be coming with her if she did. He beat a fast path the hell outta there. Screaming at her that she was crazy. LOL.

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sandralhanlon  Nov 12, 2016 • 3:59:03pm

re: #153 BeachDem

Good point.

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Nyet  Nov 12, 2016 • 3:59:40pm

OK, so:

Scott Dworkin
@funder
Sr. Advisor @keepamergr8 CEO @bulldogfinance Dep. Director 2009 Obama Inaugural Cmte & 2012 Charlotte DNC convention; Obama Alum

Here is a list of lots of people from that committee. I don’t see Dworkin among them.

www2.gwu.edu

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 12, 2016 • 4:00:19pm
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BeachDem  Nov 12, 2016 • 4:01:43pm

re: #154 Skip Intro

His first major speech as pres (and all subsequent ones) is going to be an international embarrassment, but our media will eat it up even if he calls for internment camps for people who have been unfair to him.

But of course—they’ll gaze at their navels and talk about how he’s pivoting to be so presidential, and wasn’t it a shame about those emails and BENGHAZI. Trump tax returns? Oh, that’s all water under the bridge—did you see the new Ivanka Trump line yet? She’s so delightful and stylish—what’s that you say? She’s advising her father AND running his businesses? That can’t be true—she and her brothers said they’d never even talk to daddy about the businesses. And, coming up after the break, we’ll talk to next season’s Dancing With The Stars cast—you won’t believe who’ll be cutting a rug this time!

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KGxvi  Nov 12, 2016 • 4:01:57pm

re: #25 EPR-radar

IIRC there’s two ways to change the constitution.

1) Normal amendments: 2/3 of both houses in congress, 3/4 of the states.

2) New constitutional convention convened by the states (2/3). Any amendments proposed by this convention would still need to be approved by 3/4 of the states.

Nutjobs fantasize about #2, but nobody has ever pulled the pin on that grenade.

Edited to correct the fraction of states needed to call a convention.

I think the closest we came close in the 1970s at the height of Watergate. As I recall from my reading there was some sort of push to move to a Prime Minister system.

Things would have to break down completely for a convention to be called. And there’s no telling what the end result would be. Remember the last time we had one it was supposed to amend and fix the Articles of Confederation - instead we got a whole new system of government. And sadly, I don’t see Alexander Hamilton, James Madison, or Ben Franklin walking through that door anytime soon

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Feline Fearless Leader  Nov 12, 2016 • 4:04:20pm

re: #154 Skip Intro

His first major speech as pres (and all subsequent ones) is going to be an international embarrassment, but our media will eat it up even if he calls for internment camps for people who have been unfair to him.

I am sure that Trump’s First Inaugural is going to live a long time in the annals of Presidential speechmaking.

Unfortunately I think it’s going to be because it will be studied as an example of a very bad one.

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JasonA  Nov 12, 2016 • 4:04:30pm

re: #165 Backwoods_Sleuth

These are one of the few comforts I have right now.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 12, 2016 • 4:05:50pm

re: #169 JasonA

These are one of the few comforts I have right now.

Stuff like that is what’s helping me smile despite all the suckiness happening in the Backwoods this week.

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Skip Intro  Nov 12, 2016 • 4:06:08pm
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Barefoot Grin  Nov 12, 2016 • 4:06:20pm

My kid asked me to take him to a Smash Bros. “tournament” so I’m now sitting in the back of a games and comics store watching a small group of 20-something guys yelling and concentrating on multiple screens. I really don’t know this world. Is this the 4chan/gamergate demographic? My son’s friend (also 12) is here, so they’re kind of insulated from the other guys around them, but I’m not sure I want to do this again.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 12, 2016 • 4:06:42pm
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CuriousLurker  Nov 12, 2016 • 4:07:39pm

re: #156 sandralhanlon

I am not much more comforted by the thought that the GOP DOES recognize the threat, and effectively takes him out (impeachment or otherwise) and leaves us with Pence.

Pence doesn’t want to be Dictator of the whole world, but I do think he has wet dreams about a “Christian Nation”.

Of course he does. The Handmaid’s Tale is his utopia. The past 15 years of screaming & fearmongering about creeping Sharia and a Muslim 5th column infiltrating the U.S. (not to mention the more recent absurd claims of Christian persecution) was part distraction—SQUIRREL!—and part dislike of Islam being the “wrong” religion’s law.

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TedStriker  Nov 12, 2016 • 4:07:42pm

re: #162 CuriousLurker

Nope, never seen it, just getting fed up up with the reports of attacks on Muslim women and letting my brain wander down some rather dark paths.

That story with drunk guy with the lighter? Reminded me of a Nuyorican woman I met not too long after I first arrived up here. She’d done time in prison and wasn’t to be trifled with, but people see the hijab and make all sorts of assumptions, y’know? Anyway, not to long after 9/11 she was putting gas in her car and a man approached her holding his gas nozzle and threatening to douse her with it and set her on fire.

Her response? She dropped everything, threw herself at him, and wrapped her arms around him in a huge bear hug telling him to go ahead and do it, but know that he’d be coming with her if she did. He beat a fast path the hell outta there. Screaming at her that she was crazy. LOL.

Awesome…wish I could have seen that!

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BeachDem  Nov 12, 2016 • 4:08:07pm

re: #168 Feline Fearless Leader

I am sure that Trump’s First Inaugural is going to live a long time in the annals of Presidential speechmaking.

Unfortunately I think it’s going to be because it will be studied as an example of a very bad one.

Wonder if he’ll wear his MAGA hat? That would be classy.

Speaking of which, that MAGA necklace that one of the spawn gave to Kellyanneshills is the ugliest piece of jewelry I’ve ever seen.

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JasonA  Nov 12, 2016 • 4:08:09pm

To the point. A very sharp point that is actually bringing a tear to my eye as I type this.

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sandralhanlon  Nov 12, 2016 • 4:08:16pm

re: #167 KGxvi

True that. Burning down the house and expecting the Phoenix to arise from the ashes seems too risky to me. Even given the circumstances.

I come down on the conservative side here; trying to preserve as many Constitutional Rights as possible, trying to avoid the chaos that would give them an excuse to strip away even more of our rights as citizens and immigrants.

Osama Bin Laden laid out step by step what it would take to bring down the evil empire and we have been following that script to a T.

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Skip Intro  Nov 12, 2016 • 4:09:48pm
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JasonA  Nov 12, 2016 • 4:10:31pm

re: #174 CuriousLurker

Of course he does. The Handmaid’s Tale is his utopia. The past 15 years of screaming & fearmongering about creeping Sharia and a Muslim 5th column infiltrating the U.S. (not to mention the more recent absurd claims of Christian persecution) was part distraction—SQUIRREL!—and part dislike of Islam being the “wrong” religion’s law.

Should this…best case scenario… happen, I truly do hope it’s enough to tarnish the entire administration to the point where the populace protests every fucking thing it tries to do.

Tall order.

Best case.

Fuuuuuck.

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sandralhanlon  Nov 12, 2016 • 4:11:43pm

re: #177 JasonA

This. She has been exactly where I am, mentally.

I see folks mourning - I get that. I just don’t see signing a petition to overturn the electoral college, protesting or any of the other responses being equal to the threat.

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CuriousLurker  Nov 12, 2016 • 4:12:31pm

re: #175 TedStriker

Awesome…wish I could have seen that!

That was one fast thinking woman, I’ll tell ya. ;)

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jaunte  Nov 12, 2016 • 4:13:32pm
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JasonA  Nov 12, 2016 • 4:13:38pm

Too bad you fuckers couldn’t say more about it when it mattered, Chuck.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 12, 2016 • 4:15:42pm
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Skip Intro  Nov 12, 2016 • 4:15:53pm

re: #184 JasonA

[Embedded content]

Too bad you fuckers couldn’t say more about it when it mattered, Chuck.

Unless I missed it, this is the only thing they’ve said at all.

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CuriousLurker  Nov 12, 2016 • 4:16:18pm

I’m gonna go lose myself in in Mozart in the Jungle. I’ve got one ore episode of season one to go, then it’s on to season two!

Later, lizards.

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Nyet  Nov 12, 2016 • 4:16:43pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 12, 2016 • 4:17:32pm
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BeachDem  Nov 12, 2016 • 4:18:20pm

Truth no defense against Trumpism:

Mountain View High School placed teacher Frank Navarro on paid leave after a parent complained in an email about the lesson and statements that Navarro made in class.

Navarro — a 40-year classroom veteran and expert in Holocaust studies — said, “This feels like we’re trying to squash free speech. Everything I talk about is factually based. They can go and check it out. It’s not propaganda or bias if it’s based on hard facts.”

some of Navarro’s students (said) that his lessons were “one-sided” and that he used language that Trump supporters would find offensive.

rawstory.com

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KGxvi  Nov 12, 2016 • 4:18:22pm

re: #178 sandralhanlon

Regardless of what came out of a new convention, you could expect a real movement in several parts of the country to move for independence. The world without the United States would be a very different place

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 12, 2016 • 4:18:45pm
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Skip Intro  Nov 12, 2016 • 4:19:43pm
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Charles Johnson  Nov 12, 2016 • 4:19:45pm

This is a YUUUGE protest. Looks like tens of thousands of people.

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Decatur Deb  Nov 12, 2016 • 4:21:25pm
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Skip Intro  Nov 12, 2016 • 4:21:53pm

re: #192 Backwoods_Sleuth

Why is that Farage asshole always over here now?

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Nyet  Nov 12, 2016 • 4:21:57pm

re: #164 Nyet

In retrospect seems like this guy was trying to plant this rumor:

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austin_blue  Nov 12, 2016 • 4:23:33pm

re: #196 Skip Intro

Why is that Farage asshole always over here now?

He’s out of a job.

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Skip Intro  Nov 12, 2016 • 4:24:35pm

Remember this asshole? He’s never going to go away.

SANFORD, Fla. (AP) — Authorities say a sheriff’s deputy ordered George Zimmerman to leave a central Florida bar after Zimmerman accused a black customer of hitting him and used a racial slur.

Citing an incident report, news outlets report the bar manager asked Seminole County deputies to remove Zimmerman on Wednesday because he yelled at a female employee, snatched a credit card from her and used a racial slur.

When deputies arrived, Zimmerman demanded that a black man be arrested for hitting him. Authorities say bar video shows the man had given Zimmerman two friendly pats on the arm. No one was arrested.

talkingpointsmemo.com

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sandralhanlon  Nov 12, 2016 • 4:24:47pm

re: #191 KGxvi

California is already threatening. Can’t say I blame them.

The world already is a different place. It became a different place right after the results were in. American Exceptionalism is dead. The other superpowers are already jockeying for advantage. Our allies are frightened out of their wits.

We have become the country we used to condemn. A country where kids are afraid to go to school, because of the threats on their very existence. A country were the religious are hiding their religion.

I am so heartsick. This is worse than a dog dying kind of hurt. My country dying. I just thought our decline would be more gradual. I didn’t realize we’d just piss it all away instantly.

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Nyet  Nov 12, 2016 • 4:24:59pm
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Skip Intro  Nov 12, 2016 • 4:25:25pm

re: #198 austin_blue

Isn’t he still an MP?

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Decatur Deb  Nov 12, 2016 • 4:26:04pm

re: #196 Skip Intro

Why is that Farage asshole always over here now?

Gambia won the coin flip.

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austin_blue  Nov 12, 2016 • 4:26:22pm

A bit of Canadian trolling!

Justin Trudeau has announced that Mexican citizens will no longer need a visa to visit Canada starting in December, 2016.

teehee!

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austin_blue  Nov 12, 2016 • 4:27:36pm

re: #202 Skip Intro

Isn’t he still an MP?

I was just rolling a grenade into the crowd.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 12, 2016 • 4:28:03pm
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Nyet  Nov 12, 2016 • 4:28:27pm
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sandralhanlon  Nov 12, 2016 • 4:28:34pm

Now Turkey is warning it’s citizens not to travel to the US.

We’ve become THAT country.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Nov 12, 2016 • 4:30:13pm

Finished my run today. It was one of the grueling days, where it wasn’t fun and you just have to grind it out, one foot in front of the other.

Feels apt. I’m not giving up now.

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JasonA  Nov 12, 2016 • 4:30:57pm
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JasonA  Nov 12, 2016 • 4:32:17pm

Is it normal for the President-Elect to not go to any Veteran’s Day events?

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Decatur Deb  Nov 12, 2016 • 4:33:40pm

re: #211 JasonA

Is it normal for the President-Elect to not go to any Veteran’s Day events?

He visited the site of Studio 54.

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Skip Intro  Nov 12, 2016 • 4:33:46pm

re: #211 JasonA

Is it normal for the President-Elect to not go to any Veteran’s Day events?

Fuck ‘em. They got paid, didn’t they?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 12, 2016 • 4:34:13pm
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Joe Bacon  Nov 12, 2016 • 4:34:33pm

re: #211 JasonA

Gosh did our crack American Press mention anything about that??????

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austin_blue  Nov 12, 2016 • 4:35:54pm

re: #202 Skip Intro

Isn’t he still an MP?

Ah. Checked. He’s a member of the EU Parliament. He has never been an English MP.

en.wikipedia.org

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BeachDem  Nov 12, 2016 • 4:35:57pm

re: #211 JasonA

Is it normal for the President-Elect to not go to any Veteran’s Day events?

Why would he bother? He already got 61% of the veteran vote (which totally astounds me) They’re of no further use to him now.

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Skip Intro  Nov 12, 2016 • 4:36:57pm

re: #216 austin_blue

So he is out of a job then.

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austin_blue  Nov 12, 2016 • 4:36:58pm

re: #217 BeachDem

Why would he bother? He already got 61% of the veteran vote (which totally astounds me) They’re of no further use to him now.

This! This is the man.

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JasonA  Nov 12, 2016 • 4:37:01pm

re: #215 Joe Bacon

Gosh did our crack American Press mention anything about that??????

Truth is I’m not sure if it’s something they usually do or not. I see that Obama did in ‘08.

usatoday30.usatoday.com

And Bush Gore was still going on in ‘00.

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TedStriker  Nov 12, 2016 • 4:37:39pm

re: #210 JasonA

A two-fer for the anti-education, anti-foreigner “conservatives”: Trump being elected makes foreign students want to leave AND cripples those dreaded librul colleges.

*retches*

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Joe Bacon  Nov 12, 2016 • 4:37:39pm
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JasonA  Nov 12, 2016 • 4:38:00pm

re: #217 BeachDem

Why would he bother? He already got 61% of the veteran vote (which totally astounds me) They’re of no further use to him now.

And yet I have this feeling like he’s going to make more of them.

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JasonA  Nov 12, 2016 • 4:39:22pm

re: #222 Joe Bacon

I know this isn’t much against the fear of what’s going to happen, but friends, hear me. We are going to make Donald Trump’s life a living nightmare, and I for one take immense pleasure from that.

Hi 5

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EPR-radar  Nov 12, 2016 • 4:39:47pm

re: #118 Decatur Deb

I want to be the slave that rides behind him on the chariot.

If Trump starts doing the Roman triumph thing, I want to be the person whispering in his ear that he’s mortal, just like everyone else.

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JasonA  Nov 12, 2016 • 4:42:15pm

Shocking!!

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BeachDem  Nov 12, 2016 • 4:44:02pm

re: #223 JasonA

And yet I have this feeling like he’s going to make more of them.

Well, I hope they don’t get captured—he likes people who don’t get captured.

Can anyone explain how he got 61% of veteran votes? (Hillary took active duty)

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JasonA  Nov 12, 2016 • 4:44:37pm

re: #227 BeachDem

Well, I hope they don’t get captured—he likes people who don’t get captured.

Can anyone explain how he got 61% of veteran votes? (Hillary took active duty)

Older? Maybe more money?

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Barefoot Grin  Nov 12, 2016 • 4:44:48pm

re: #212 Decatur Deb

He visited the site of Studio 54.

“Thank you for your cervix!”

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austin_blue  Nov 12, 2016 • 4:45:19pm

re: #227 BeachDem

Well, I hope they don’t get captured—he likes people who don’t get captured.

Can anyone explain how he got 61% of veteran votes? (Hillary took active duty)

Faux News viewers, I would expect.

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Decatur Deb  Nov 12, 2016 • 4:45:23pm

re: #229 Barefoot Grin

“Thank you for your cervix!”

Spectacular.

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austin_blue  Nov 12, 2016 • 4:46:15pm

re: #231 Decatur Deb

Spectacular.

That was good, wasn’t it?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 12, 2016 • 4:50:20pm
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EPR-radar  Nov 12, 2016 • 4:50:43pm

re: #200 sandralhanlon

California is already threatening. Can’t say I blame them.

The world already is a different place. It became a different place right after the results were in. American Exceptionalism is dead. The other superpowers are already jockeying for advantage. Our allies are frightened out of their wits.

We have become the country we used to condemn. A country where kids are afraid to go to school, because of the threats on their very existence. A country were the religious are hiding their religion.

I am so heartsick. This is worse than a dog dying kind of hurt. My country dying. I just thought our decline would be more gradual. I didn’t realize we’d just piss it all away instantly.

CA secession is a very stupid idea. CA would end up as the neighbor of a superpower ruled by heavily armed religious fanatics. It would not end well.

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JasonA  Nov 12, 2016 • 4:51:23pm

Visited a friend yesterday. We talked about the election and while he doesn’t like Trump he didn’t seem to care all that much. I didn’t go into the racism or even the fascist part of it all, but part of his line of thinking was “Hey, he’s going to lower your taxes. Wouldn’t you like to have a little extra scratch in your pocket?”

I mean, really.

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The Vicious Babushka  Nov 12, 2016 • 4:51:47pm

There is a little boutique on Ford Road called Hija-Bee. I used to pass it all the time on my way home from work, when I worked at the Ford Business Center 5 years ago.

It’s not far from the building I work at now.

I think I will go there after work and buy something, maybe some earrings or a bracelet, to show solidarity.

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JasonA  Nov 12, 2016 • 4:52:36pm

re: #234 EPR-radar

CA secession is a very stupid idea. CA would end up as the neighbor of a superpower ruled by heavily armed religious fanatics. It would not end well.

That’s what I have been saying. It’s ridiculous.

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Joe Bacon  Nov 12, 2016 • 4:54:22pm

re: #234 EPR-radar

CA secession is a very stupid idea. CA would end up as the neighbor of a superpower ruled by heavily armed religious fanatics. It would not end well.

My fear—California votes overwhelmingly for secession then Trump invades and bombs San Francisco and Los Angeles while the American Media cheers the destruction of Sodom and Gomorra…

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JasonA  Nov 12, 2016 • 4:55:00pm

That “afraid” number tells me not enough people were paying attention.

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The Vicious Babushka  Nov 12, 2016 • 4:57:59pm
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Belafon  Nov 12, 2016 • 4:58:42pm

Another thing we have to do is not let people go “Well that was just one thing, and it doesn’t affect me.” Anything his administration does will affect us all, because they will build on one another.

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JasonA  Nov 12, 2016 • 4:58:43pm

Captain on a plane had to tell his passengers not to argue over the election.

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JasonA  Nov 12, 2016 • 4:59:48pm

re: #240 The Vicious Babushka

Well, seeing that tells me I wasn’t terrified enough!

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BeachDem  Nov 12, 2016 • 5:01:35pm

And the hits just keep on coming:

Trump Moving To Quit Paris Climate Agreement — Quickly
Donald Trump is seeking quick ways of withdrawing from a global agreement to limit climate change, a source on his transition team said, defying widening international backing for the plan to cut greenhouse gas emissions.

huffingtonpost.com

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sandralhanlon  Nov 12, 2016 • 5:03:34pm

re: #234 EPR-radar

Ha, that’s an understatement! They could ask to join Mexico or Canada!

Of course, cooler heads should prevail.

2016 just sucks.

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philosophus invidius  Nov 12, 2016 • 5:03:56pm

re: #238 Joe Bacon

Plus, if CA leaves, then the electoral college and House looks pretty dismal for the rest of us.

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Charles Johnson  Nov 12, 2016 • 5:04:04pm
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Nyet  Nov 12, 2016 • 5:05:18pm

re: #247 Charles Johnson

It’s good that a person said this. I generally believe persons. ;)

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sandralhanlon  Nov 12, 2016 • 5:05:50pm

re: #235 JasonA

The deep sleep of the oblivious.

What universe do these folks inhabit? I can’t imagine.

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Nyet  Nov 12, 2016 • 5:06:59pm

re: #235 JasonA

Visited a friend yesterday. We talked about the election and while he doesn’t like Trump he didn’t seem to care all that much. I didn’t go into the racism or even the fascist part of it all, but part of his line of thinking was “Hey, he’s going to lower your taxes. Wouldn’t you like to have a little extra scratch in your pocket?”

I mean, really.

Ask him about electrolytes next time.

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sandralhanlon  Nov 12, 2016 • 5:09:10pm

re: #241 Belafon

Oh, absolutely! This! Divide and conquer. Scapegoating.

If one American doesn’t have rights, really none of us do.
I am thinking America ignoring, no denying, the warnings of Ferguson
will one day be seen as clear warning signs of what was to come.

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baileylamb  Nov 12, 2016 • 5:09:37pm

re: #244 BeachDem

And the hits just keep on coming:

Trump Moving To Quit Paris Climate Agreement — Quickly
Donald Trump is seeking quick ways of withdrawing from a global agreement to limit climate change, a source on his transition team said, defying widening international backing for the plan to cut greenhouse gas emissions.

huffingtonpost.com

Hey but Jill Stein, Green Party candidate, told me that Hillary was worse than Trump !!!11!!!

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makeitstop  Nov 12, 2016 • 5:11:20pm

re: #248 Nyet

It’s good that a person said this. I generally believe persons. ;)

Missing Persons - Destination Unknown

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De Kolta Chair  Nov 12, 2016 • 5:12:09pm

re: #226 JasonA

Shocking!!

Re that chart, here in NY both legislative houses will be majority Democrat.

nytimes.com

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Nov 12, 2016 • 5:16:00pm
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Citizen K  Nov 12, 2016 • 5:17:26pm

re: #255 Ziggy_TARDIS

[Embedded content]

Sweet jesus christ, Bernie.

You just do not fucking get it, do you? You honest to god do not get it, do you?

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bratwurst  Nov 12, 2016 • 5:17:39pm

You know what would make me feel better tonight?

Hearing another “I told you so!” from a Bernie Bro.

Oh wait, did I say that would make me feel better?

I mean to say that would make me homicidal.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 12, 2016 • 5:18:41pm

re: #255 Ziggy_TARDIS

[Embedded content]

Jesus Christ, Bernie, just stop it. My great grandparents and your own parents were immigrants who came here and “took” jobs. Stop being a nativist enabling jackass already. Sigh, this is exactly why I am glad he wasn’t the nominee. The man just doesn’t seem care about immigrants.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Nov 12, 2016 • 5:19:13pm

re: #256 Kryptik in Mourning

re: #258 HappyWarrior

The talk was in 2007, if that adds context.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 12, 2016 • 5:20:08pm

re: #257 bratwurst

You know what would make me feel better tonight?

Hearing another “I told you so!” from a Bernie Bro.

Oh wait, did I say that would make me feel better?

I mean to say that would make me homicidal.

I’m with you there. I am so tired of Bernie, who lives in a lily white state with few immigrants giving water to xenophobic bullshit. My boss is an immigrant. My sister in law is an immigrant. I have lots of friends and colleagues over the years who have been immigrants. Just stop it already Bernie.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 12, 2016 • 5:20:42pm

re: #259 Ziggy_TARDIS

The talk was in 2007, if that adds context.

Oh okay. Sorry thought it was tonight but it still does speak to why I don’t think too highly of him.

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stpaulbear  Nov 12, 2016 • 5:22:30pm

I heard word about my wingnut sister today from my younger sister who hasn’t blocked her on Facebook. She’s thanking her god that Trump has vanquished evil Hillary but is still in a rage that the devil Obama will be in office for another two months.

She didn’t get religion until about 18 months ago but someone got to her online with the most judgmental christianist bullshit and she’s just full of it now.

Our holiday get-together is not going to be fun for even a moment. My youngest sister and I will be on pins and needles trying not to say something that sets her off.

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goddamnedfrank  Nov 12, 2016 • 5:22:58pm
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Nyet  Nov 12, 2016 • 5:22:59pm

re: #235 JasonA

Visited a friend yesterday. We talked about the election and while he doesn’t like Trump he didn’t seem to care all that much. I didn’t go into the racism or even the fascist part of it all, but part of his line of thinking was “Hey, he’s going to lower your taxes. Wouldn’t you like to have a little extra scratch in your pocket?”

I mean, really.

In fact…

Idiocracy “I like money”

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Nov 12, 2016 • 5:23:01pm

re: #261 HappyWarrior

No, I still hold it against him. I will be getting involved with the Democrats, and while I am a Socialist, I am more concerned with Civil Rights.

I will not run for any office. My mental state is too weak.

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BeachDem  Nov 12, 2016 • 5:23:36pm

re: #255 Ziggy_TARDIS

[Embedded content]

Where/when is this conversation between Bernie and Dobbs supposed to have taken place? Can’t find anything current on this.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 12, 2016 • 5:24:46pm

re: #265 Ziggy_TARDIS

No, I still hold it against him. I will be getting involved with the Democrats, and while I am a Socialist, I am more concerned with Civil Rights.

I will not run for any office. My mental state is too weak.

No, I’m not saying that I don’t hold it against him as it was in fact a big reason why I am not a fan and didn’t give him my vote, I am saying I didn’t realize what you were talking about was from 2007. Believe me, Sanders willingness to do this infuriates me.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 12, 2016 • 5:25:24pm

re: #266 BeachDem

Where/when is this conversation between Bernie and Dobbs supposed to have taken place? Can’t find anything current on this.

It was from 2007 I imagine when Dobbs still had his own show. I remember in those days, my grandfather was a big Dobbs fan too unfortunately. Really sad since my grandfather’s parents were immigrants themselves.

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BeachDem  Nov 12, 2016 • 5:25:29pm

re: #259 Ziggy_TARDIS

The talk was in 2007, if that adds context.

Ya think?

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Stanley Sea  Nov 12, 2016 • 5:25:30pm

re: #248 Nyet

It’s good that a person said this. I generally believe persons. ;)

We are living the big con.

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JasonA  Nov 12, 2016 • 5:25:36pm

Former Senate staffer.

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stpaulbear  Nov 12, 2016 • 5:25:54pm

re: #263 goddamnedfrank

I’d need to know how someone feels about Trump before I’d even consider dating them. It’s just a deal-killer.

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Nyet  Nov 12, 2016 • 5:26:13pm

Trump’s cabinet.

Idiocracy - Electrolytes

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HappyWarrior  Nov 12, 2016 • 5:26:48pm

re: #268 Ziggy_TARDIS

2007.

75%+ of my friends are immigrants. So, I still hold this against him.

I do think he’s gotten better somewhat in the past nine years but if his people hold Clinton’s Iraq War vote against her, I think it’s perfectly legitimate of us to criticize him. As Rep. Gutierrez said in the primaries, Steve King of all people had given him praise on that issue, and if you’re getting praise from Steve King on any issue, that’s troubling.

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BeachDem  Nov 12, 2016 • 5:28:03pm

re: #268 Ziggy_TARDIS

2007.

75%+ of my friends are immigrants. So, I still hold this against him.

You can still hold it against him, but presenting it as if it happened today is a bit disingenuous.

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Nov 12, 2016 • 5:28:12pm

freeper glitter ponies!!

The table will be set for President Trump to really get the economy rolling. Just getting our allies to pay fairly for their defense and Mexico to get serious about putting a halt to drug smuggling will pay huge dividends. The corporate tax incentive to repatriate billions of dollars from overseas accounts will free up investment capital to fill every pot hole in the Country with gold if we wish.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 12, 2016 • 5:29:16pm

re: #273 stpaulbear

I’d need to know how someone feels about Trump before I’d even consider dating them. It’s just a deal-killer.

I normally don’t take politics into account when I date but it would be hard for me to date a Trump fan, I concede. Fortunately, a lot of the women I have gone out with are closer to me ideologically anyhow since my personality and interests really aren’t too much of an intersection for conservatives.

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Citizen K  Nov 12, 2016 • 5:29:27pm

re: #259 Ziggy_TARDIS

The talk was in 2007, if that adds context.

Ok, not as bad as it would have been if he were reiterating it now, but still pretty shit of him. Fuck him still.

re: #272 JasonA

Senate staffer.

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This is what separates us from them. A simple matter of inclusion vs. exclusion. They want to spite and destroy as many of the ‘other’ as possible because they can’t bother to fucking share or imagine ‘their’ pure-ass country being enjoyed by someone that isn’t them. Unfortunately, they may get what they want tenfold because they’re all so fucking intent on making life literal terror for us all.

They literally do not care to win long as we all lose. THey don’t care to feel joy long as we all suffer.

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Charles Johnson  Nov 12, 2016 • 5:29:43pm
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HappyWarrior  Nov 12, 2016 • 5:29:44pm

re: #276 BeachDem

You can still hold it against him, but presenting it as if it happened today is a bit disingenuous.

Yeah, I nearly had a damn heart attack over that. I’m still upset but in the future…………

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JasonA  Nov 12, 2016 • 5:31:27pm

re: #280 Charles Johnson

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Yeah, that’s what I say when I wake up now too.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Nov 12, 2016 • 5:31:33pm

re: #276 BeachDem

I will only trust him if he makes an unqualified apology showing contrition.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Nov 12, 2016 • 5:31:57pm

re: #280 Charles Johnson

What is that to?

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Decatur Deb  Nov 12, 2016 • 5:32:01pm

Results of the National Peanut Festival Pig Race are final. Donald Trumproast beat Hillary Rod-Ham Clinton.

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JasonA  Nov 12, 2016 • 5:32:42pm

re: #281 HappyWarrior

Yeah, I nearly had a damn heart attack over that. I’m still upset but in the future…………

If he said it now I would be incredibly upset. I’m not excusing it, and it may be used against him by the right in the future, but there are more pressing concerns.

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Charles Johnson  Nov 12, 2016 • 5:32:59pm
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HappyWarrior  Nov 12, 2016 • 5:33:28pm

re: #283 Ziggy_TARDIS

I will only trust him if he makes an unqualified apology showing contrition.

An apology isn’t what he needs to do, what he needs to do is be a leader on the issue. It’ll be hard to get progressive legislation passed on immigration in a Trump presidency but what Bernie needs to spend his time doing is being an advocate for them and stop enabling bigotry as “working class people angry at the system.”

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HappyWarrior  Nov 12, 2016 • 5:34:19pm

re: #286 JasonA

If he said it now I would be incredibly upset. I’m not excusing it, and it may be used against him by the right in the future, but there are more pressing concerns.

True, no need to hold on to grudges about the past. That’s why I want him to be a leader on immigration issues.

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BeachDem  Nov 12, 2016 • 5:36:35pm

re: #283 Ziggy_TARDIS

I will only trust him if he makes an unqualified apology showing contrition.

That’t not the point. You posted two current tweets mentioning Trump, giving the impression that Bernie said these things recently. (And you answered my question quickly enough to indicate that you knew the conversation was in 2007)

The fact that you require an unqualified apology showing contrition (good luck with that) has nothing to do with it.

You know I’m not a Bernie fan, but this tactic is like SMOTI’s BREAKING NEWS headlines.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 12, 2016 • 5:38:22pm

re: #290 BeachDem

That’t not the point. You posted two current tweets mentioning Trump, giving the impression that Bernie said these things recently. (And you answered my question quickly enough to indicate that you knew the conversation was in 2007)

The fact that you require an unqualified apology showing contrition (good luck with that) has nothing to do with it.

You know I’m not a Bernie fan, but this tactic is like SMOTI’s BREAKING NEWS headlines.

Right, lord knows I’m critical of Bernie but you did present this to us in a way that suggested it was made recently.

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Weaselone  Nov 12, 2016 • 5:38:59pm

re: #272 JasonA

Senate staffer.

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Did she give the name somewhere else? If not, why not?

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JasonA  Nov 12, 2016 • 5:40:52pm

Any other white people find themselves acting even nicer to minorities when out and about? Since Tuesday I notice I’m constantly making eye contact and smiling, I guess hoping that maybe it’ll bring them some small comfort.

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BeachDem  Nov 12, 2016 • 5:40:52pm

re: #292 Weaselone

Did she give the name somewhere else? If not, why not?

And actually FORMER Senate staffer, so why not reveal who it is? Probably a lobbyist—maybe one on Trump’s transition team.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Nov 12, 2016 • 5:41:31pm

re: #293 JasonA

Yeah, I have been making sure to be very nice.

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JasonA  Nov 12, 2016 • 5:43:29pm

re: #294 BeachDem

And actually FORMER Senate staffer, so why not reveal who it is? Probably a lobbyist—maybe one on Trump’s transition team.

Oops.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 12, 2016 • 5:43:40pm

re: #293 JasonA

Any other white people find themselves acting even nicer to minorities when out and about? Since Tuesday I notice I’m constantly making eye contact and smiling, I guess hoping that maybe it’ll bring them some small comfort.

I have vowed to go out of my way to be friendly to those groups. I always make that kind of effort to be honest with you though. I want immigrants especially to feel welcome and appreciated in our country.

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electrotek  Nov 12, 2016 • 5:44:56pm
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BeachDem  Nov 12, 2016 • 5:45:30pm

re: #293 JasonA

Any other white people find themselves acting even nicer to minorities when out and about? Since Tuesday I notice I’m constantly making eye contact and smiling, I guess hoping that maybe it’ll bring them some small comfort.

I’ve been acting the same as usual, but have noticed a few times that I seem to get a relieved look or response from people I talk to—and, oddly enough, it’s not just from minority folks I encounter—down here in south by dog carolina, even other (sane) white people who recognize a non-Trump person are usually more relaxed.

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Stanley Sea  Nov 12, 2016 • 5:47:50pm

re: #292 Weaselone

Did she give the name somewhere else? If not, why not?

That’s where a reporter wussed out.

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Charles Johnson  Nov 12, 2016 • 5:48:19pm
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JasonA  Nov 12, 2016 • 5:49:38pm

re: #301 Charles Johnson

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Seeing how it’s driven every potential buyer away so far you’d think cleaning the place up a bit would be seen as a priority but what do I know.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 12, 2016 • 5:50:27pm

Honestly, I hate hearing immigrants take our jobs since your ancestors were definitely immigrants who were accused by people of doing the same. And before you give me but mine were legal!, that’s not the point and besides when yours likely came, there really wasn’t an issue of legality. In those days, in fact, women could become citizens simply by marriage. My grandmother was telling me recently her mother became a citizen simply by her mother’s marriage to my great grandfather. Today, it’s different.

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Stanley Sea  Nov 12, 2016 • 5:50:29pm

Time for a re-post then back to Rectify.

If you have not watched this. You must. 4th & last season.

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BeachDem  Nov 12, 2016 • 5:50:40pm

Jesus fucking christ—it’s only been four days, and the assholes are feeling so empowered with their hate, it just makes me puke.

‘Trump! Trump! Trump!’: Group of white men assault black woman student at Villanova University

Chanting the name of the president-elect, the men knocked the woman down, causing her to strike her head on the pavement. Her current condition is unknown and the names of the attackers have not been revealed.

rawstory.com

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JasonA  Nov 12, 2016 • 5:50:45pm

I don’t recall seeing this before.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 12, 2016 • 5:52:10pm

Later all. Watching a movie.

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Belafon  Nov 12, 2016 • 5:53:07pm

I may be white, but I am not a European-American.

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b_sharp  Nov 12, 2016 • 5:57:27pm

Changed the rotors on my Jeep this afternoon.

Not one political thought crossed my mind.

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JasonA  Nov 12, 2016 • 5:58:00pm

Well, yes, because all the GOP cares about is taking power, our Constitutional ideals of equality and justice be-damned.

I really want to know what the fuck it is they ever loved about this country.

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ObserverArt  Nov 12, 2016 • 5:58:28pm

re: #270 BeachDem

Ya think?

Well, if we are holding to the thinking that people are what they say they are… : )

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JasonA  Nov 12, 2016 • 6:00:47pm

So how bad can this get?

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Belafon  Nov 12, 2016 • 6:01:27pm

re: #310 JasonA

Well, yes, because all the GOP cares about is taking power, our Constitutional ideals of equality and justice be-damned.

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I really want to know what the fuck it is they ever loved about this country.

Being the most powerful country on earth.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Nov 12, 2016 • 6:01:42pm

One BernieBro prick said my worries about the Muslim Community made me a troll.

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JasonA  Nov 12, 2016 • 6:02:10pm
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JasonA  Nov 12, 2016 • 6:02:59pm

re: #313 Belafon

Being the most powerful country on earth.

Oh. Right. “Great.”

How about Make America Good Again, assholes?

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EPR-radar  Nov 12, 2016 • 6:03:00pm

re: #310 JasonA

Well, yes, because all the GOP cares about is taking power, our Constitutional ideals of equality and justice be-damned.

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I really want to know what the fuck it is they ever loved about this country.

There’s a direct line between today’s Trumpists and the assholes whose main motivation for joining in the American Revolution was to protect slavery from an increasingly hostile British government.

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Belafon  Nov 12, 2016 • 6:03:22pm

re: #312 JasonA

So how bad can this get?

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Was there video of him being beaten or he’s talking on video?

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JasonA  Nov 12, 2016 • 6:04:00pm

re: #318 Belafon

Was there video of him being beaten or he’s talking on video?

Yeah, there’s video of it.

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JasonA  Nov 12, 2016 • 6:04:51pm

Seriously, the kid’s got it bad enough as it is I’m sure.

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ObserverArt  Nov 12, 2016 • 6:05:47pm

re: #285 Decatur Deb

Results of the National Peanut Festival Pig Race are final. Donald Trumproast beat Hillary Rod-Ham Clinton.

Yeahbutt…Trumproast was greased!!!

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electrotek  Nov 12, 2016 • 6:06:11pm

Trump supporters in the comment section getting upset about being lumped with this woman

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Weaselone  Nov 12, 2016 • 6:07:09pm

re: #312 JasonA

So how bad can this get?

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He wasn’t actually beaten because he voted for Trump. He was in a slight vehicle altercation and the guys beat him to steal his vehicle. The bystanders were just being jerks. Doesn’t make it right, but the assault wasn’t actually politically motivated.

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JasonA  Nov 12, 2016 • 6:08:21pm

re: #323 Weaselone

He wasn’t actually beaten because he voted for Trump. He was in a slight vehicle altercation and the guys beat him to steal his vehicle. The bystanders were just being jerks. Doesn’t make it right, but the assault wasn’t actually politically motivated.

Just wait a couple of months and see how a Trump administration frames that.

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Barefoot Grin  Nov 12, 2016 • 6:09:28pm

re: #323 Weaselone

He wasn’t actually beaten because he voted for Trump. He was in a slight vehicle altercation and the guys beat him to steal his vehicle. The bystanders were just being jerks. Doesn’t make it right, but the assault wasn’t actually politically motivated.

Yes it was. And what I mean is, this has already gone in the catalogue of “who the real racists are” and there will be no explaining of context.

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EPR-radar  Nov 12, 2016 • 6:13:47pm

re: #323 Weaselone

He wasn’t actually beaten because he voted for Trump. He was in a slight vehicle altercation and the guys beat him to steal his vehicle. The bystanders were just being jerks. Doesn’t make it right, but the assault wasn’t actually politically motivated.

Is the driver’s name Horst Wessel?

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Belafon  Nov 12, 2016 • 6:15:05pm

re: #323 Weaselone

He wasn’t actually beaten because he voted for Trump. He was in a slight vehicle altercation and the guys beat him to steal his vehicle. The bystanders were just being jerks. Doesn’t make it right, but the assault wasn’t actually politically motivated.

What were the bystanders doing?

Never mind, figured it out.

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VegasGolfer  Nov 12, 2016 • 6:15:13pm

re: #320 JasonA

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Seriously, the kid’s got it bad enough as it is I’m sure.

You mean how nicely Fat Rush talked about Chelsea? You

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EPR-radar  Nov 12, 2016 • 6:15:38pm

re: #263 goddamnedfrank

It’s asinine to dance around Trump vs. non-Trump on a date. Trumpists and non-Trumpists will become different species, given enough time.

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Barefoot Grin  Nov 12, 2016 • 6:15:58pm

theonion.com

FBI Uncovers Al-Qaeda Plot To Just Sit Back And Enjoy Collapse Of United States

WASHINGTON—Putting the nation on alert against what it has described as a “highly credible terrorist threat,” the FBI announced today that it has uncovered a plot by members of al-Qaeda to sit back and enjoy themselves while the United States collapses of its own accord.

Multiple intelligence agencies confirmed that the militant Islamist organization and its numerous affiliates intend to carry out a massive, coordinated plan to stand aside and watch America’s increasingly rapid decline, with terrorist operatives across the globe reportedly mobilizing to take it easy, relax, and savor the spectacle as it unfolds.

“We have intercepted electronic communication indicating that al-Qaeda members are actively plotting to stay out of the way while America as we know it gradually crumbles under the weight of its own self-inflicted debt and disrepair,” FBI Deputy Director Mark F. Giuliano told the assembled press corps. “If this plan succeeds, it will leave behind a nation with a completely dysfunctional economy, collapsing infrastructure, and a catastrophic health crisis afflicting millions across the nation. We want to emphasize that this danger is very real.”

“And unfortunately, based on information we have from intelligence assets on the ground, this plot is already well under way,” he added….

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JasonA  Nov 12, 2016 • 6:16:14pm

re: #328 VegasGolfer

You mean how nicely Fat Rish talked about Chelsea?

Stop. Don’t do this. Please.

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EPR-radar  Nov 12, 2016 • 6:16:43pm

re: #328 VegasGolfer

You mean how nicely Fat Rish talked about Chelsea?

I’m as pissed as anyone about this election, but there’s still no excuse for taking Rush Limbaugh as a role model.

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Weaselone  Nov 12, 2016 • 6:17:26pm

re: #326 EPR-radar

Is the driver’s name Horst Wessel?

Not a dead Nazi, so I’m going with no.

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b_sharp  Nov 12, 2016 • 6:17:58pm

I need some chocolate.

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Barefoot Grin  Nov 12, 2016 • 6:18:36pm

re: #334 b_sharp

I need some chocolate.

Here, enjoy a “Victory” chocolate bar!

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mmmirele  Nov 12, 2016 • 6:18:56pm

re: #309 b_sharp

Changed the rotors on my Jeep this afternoon.

Not one political thought crossed my mind.

I discovered a new science fiction series today. I spent the afternoon reading books. I was the happiest I’ve been in five days.

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b_sharp  Nov 12, 2016 • 6:19:33pm

re: #336 mmmirele

I discovered a new science fiction series today. I spent the afternoon reading books. I was the happiest I’ve been in five days.

Brilliant escape.

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VegasGolfer  Nov 12, 2016 • 6:20:40pm

That’s why we lose. We play nice while the other side takes no prisoners. We turn the other cheeck, then thay slap it too.

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mmmirele  Nov 12, 2016 • 6:20:46pm

re: #337 b_sharp

Brilliant escape.

Yeah, I didn’t want to come back from the Moon, even though it was being ravaged by a killer virus.

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Emptor scriptor Remorse  Nov 12, 2016 • 6:22:14pm

re: #309 b_sharp

Changed the rotors on my Jeep this afternoon.

Not one political thought crossed my mind.

Pads too? I am amazed at how cheap brake parts are if you shop around online.

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JasonA  Nov 12, 2016 • 6:22:42pm

re: #338 VegasGolfer

That’s why we lose. We play nice while the other side takes no prisoners. We turn the other cheeck, then thay slap it too.

Yeah, talk shit about Barron Trump. That’s the path to victory.

/s

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scottslemmons  Nov 12, 2016 • 6:23:27pm

re: #336 mmmirele

I discovered a new science fiction series today. I spent the afternoon reading books. I was the happiest I’ve been in five days.

What’s the series?

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JasonA  Nov 12, 2016 • 6:23:50pm

Same.

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Belafon  Nov 12, 2016 • 6:26:23pm

re: #338 VegasGolfer

That’s why we lose. We play nice while the other side takes no prisoners. We turn the other cheeck, then thay slap it too.

As we all know, attacking children for their parent’s actions are the way to win. //

Seriously, there’s plenty of Trump to attack.

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JasonA  Nov 12, 2016 • 6:26:47pm
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Belafon  Nov 12, 2016 • 6:27:08pm

So, is the safety pin thing serious, as in, how many people would I expect to know about it?

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VegasGolfer  Nov 12, 2016 • 6:27:56pm

re: #341 JasonA

Yeah, talk shit about Barron Trump. That’s the path to victory.

/s

Where did I say ANYTHING bad about Barron Trump?
I just pointed where people are saying lay off him, and I pointed out how the other side never plays by the same rules.

I saw it was snark. But it needs saying we need to start playing the same game the do

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Belafon  Nov 12, 2016 • 6:28:01pm

re: #345 JasonA

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Why would he want a female he didn’t spawn on his team?

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JasonA  Nov 12, 2016 • 6:28:31pm

re: #346 Belafon

So, is the safety pin thing serious, as in, how many people would I expect to know about it?

My opinion? Expect no one to know about it and slap one on. If someone asks, tell them.

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Belafon  Nov 12, 2016 • 6:28:40pm

re: #347 VegasGolfer

Where did I say ANYTHING bad about Barron Trump?
I just pointed where people are saying lay off him, and I pointed out how the other side never plays by the same rules.

And then you said, that’s why we lose. Don’t leave that out.

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JasonA  Nov 12, 2016 • 6:29:19pm

re: #348 Belafon

Why would he want a female he didn’t spawn on his team?

Because they were at least a nine.

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TedStriker  Nov 12, 2016 • 6:30:12pm

re: #347 VegasGolfer

Where did I say ANYTHING bad about Barron Trump?
I just pointed where people are saying lay off him, and I pointed out how the other side never plays by the same rules.

It’s because we’re actually decent and have morals; that’s not to say we can’t fight fire with fire to an extent, but minor children should be off limits, as I’m sure you would agree.

We aren’t them and shouldn’t be them, we need to defeat them, but we don’t need to sell our souls to do so.

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JasonA  Nov 12, 2016 • 6:31:50pm

re: #347 VegasGolfer

Where did I say ANYTHING bad about Barron Trump?
I just pointed where people are saying lay off him, and I pointed out how the other side never plays by the same rules.

You did not say anything bad about Barron Trump. Let’s look at the conversation.

re: #320 JasonA

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Seriously, the kid’s got it bad enough as it is I’m sure.

re: #328 VegasGolfer

You mean how nicely Fat Rish talked about Chelsea?

That right there strongly implies that you think it is okay to attack the kid because Rush did so to Chelsea. If I read it wrong then I owe you an apology, but I need some convincing on that point.

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Jayleia  Nov 12, 2016 • 6:31:57pm

re: #342 scottslemmons

What’s the series?

Yes, I need more good sci-fi in my life too now.

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VegasGolfer  Nov 12, 2016 • 6:32:28pm

re: #350 Belafon

And then you said, that’s why we lose. Don’t leave that out.

It is.
nydailynews.com

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JasonA  Nov 12, 2016 • 6:33:49pm

re: #352 TedStriker

It’s because we’re actually decent and have morals; that’s not to say we can’t fight fire with fire to an extent, but minor children should be off limits, as I’m sure you would agree.

Donald Jr., Ivanka, and Eric are 100% fair game. They are part of the transition team and will be running his corporation. That’s three Trump children. More than enough.

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VegasGolfer  Nov 12, 2016 • 6:35:07pm

re: #353 JasonA

You did not say anything bad about Barron Trump. Let’s look at the conversation.

That right there strongly implies that you think it is okay to attack the kid because Rush did so to Chelsea. If I read it wrong then I owe you an apology, but I need some convincing on that point.

Wrong, i said the other side doesnt give a shit about the rules. That includes going after children. I didnt even bother looking up what they said about the obama children, which was horrible as well

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Stanley Sea  Nov 12, 2016 • 6:35:35pm

re: #346 Belafon

So, is the safety pin thing serious, as in, how many people would I expect to know about it?

It doesn’t hurt, that’s what I’m taking from it.

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Belafon  Nov 12, 2016 • 6:36:01pm

re: #358 Stanley Sea

It doesn’t hurt, that’s what I’m taking from it.

Works for me.

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scottslemmons  Nov 12, 2016 • 6:39:08pm

re: #346 Belafon

So, is the safety pin thing serious, as in, how many people would I expect to know about it?

There are rumors that alt-righters are talking about wearing the pins and then attacking anyone who asks them for help.

I wish more nihilists would just quietly commit suicide instead of trying to drag the rest of the world down with them.

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JasonA  Nov 12, 2016 • 6:40:14pm

re: #357 VegasGolfer

Wrong, i said the other side doesnt give a shit about the rules. That includes going after children. I didnt even bother looking up what they said about the obama children, which was horrible as well

We are fighting *for* the rules. When the Left doesn’t give a shit about the rules you kind of just end up with a Socialist Dictator instead of what we have now.

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Stanley Sea  Nov 12, 2016 • 6:41:05pm

It is so raw. It will be raw for a long time.

Give leeway to fellow LGFers expressions at this time.

Group therapy and discussion - which is what we are going through, requires that. You are not supposed to jump on how someone else is dealing with a situation.

Please. We are together.

Laugh at me. I’m having a really hard time & LGF has made it bearable.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 12, 2016 • 6:42:58pm

re: #338 VegasGolfer

That’s why we lose. We play nice while the other side takes no prisoners. We turn the other cheeck, then thay slap it too.

I see no percentage in being an prick, just because somebody else was a prick.

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JasonA  Nov 12, 2016 • 6:43:09pm

re: #360 scottslemmons

There are rumors that alt-righters are talking about wearing the pins and then attacking anyone who asks them for help.

I wish more nihilists would just quietly commit suicide instead of trying to drag the rest of the world down with them.

I kinda want to throw the term “alt-right” in the trash and call them White Nationalist at this point.

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JasonA  Nov 12, 2016 • 6:44:56pm

re: #362 Stanley Sea

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mmmirele  Nov 12, 2016 • 6:47:01pm

re: #342 scottslemmons

RecoveryRetrieval Artist, by Kristine Kathryn Rusch. I’m an ex-lawyer and the first book “The Disappeared” attracted my attention because of the way conflicts of law are handled between human and non-human cultures. It’s what gives rise to the conflict of the book. But it’s not all lawyering, not at all.

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mmmirele  Nov 12, 2016 • 6:48:01pm

re: #343 JasonA

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Same.

Jeez, I know this for sure. I keep thinking everything is going to be OK, and then something bumps up and I cover my face or moan or something.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 12, 2016 • 6:48:17pm

I’ve adopted the safety pin. But it occurred to me - if I were someone being victimized by white racists, and I saw a white guy with a safety pin, why would I trust him?

Why should any of them trust me?

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Stanley Sea  Nov 12, 2016 • 6:48:36pm

re: #365 JasonA

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Stanley Sea  Nov 12, 2016 • 6:50:54pm

re: #362 Stanley Sea

It is so raw. It will be raw for a long time.

Give leeway to fellow LGFers expressions at this time.

Group therapy and discussion - which is what we are going through, requires that. You are not supposed to jump on how someone else is dealing with a situation.

Please. We are together.

Laugh at me. I’m having a really hard time & LGF has made it bearable.

I mean this comment for everyone here. Be cognizant of others.

I hate to be so dramatic, but this is not easy. trump is not normal.

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Belafon  Nov 12, 2016 • 6:51:05pm

Dallas Sous Chef Told “Get Out of My Country! We Won!” After Speaking Spanish to His Grandmother:

Christian Koelling is white. He’s also a DFW native, graduating from Plano High School and working at restaurants like Tei-An and Ten Ramen before taking a sous chef position at Braindead Brewing. Despite his “super Caucasian” background, he says, yesterday, a Donald Trump supporter verbally attacked Koelling in the parking lot of a Plano Walmart, telling him “get out of [my] country! We won! You lose! Now get back across the wall,” Koelling recounts.

At the time, Koelling says, he was on the phone with his grandmother, who is also white. “I’m not super great (at speaking Spanish), but my grandmother wants to learn, so we talk in Spanish when she calls,” he says. “Apparently my accent is on point, though.”

The guys who said this to him were, he estimated, in their 20s.

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JasonA  Nov 12, 2016 • 6:51:47pm

re: #369 Stanley Sea

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Belafon  Nov 12, 2016 • 6:52:23pm

re: #368 Blind Frog Belly White

I’ve adopted the safety pin. But it occurred to me - if I were someone being victimized by white racists, and I saw a white guy with a safety pin, why would I trust him?

Why should any of them trust me?

The pin should only be considered a sign that people stand with you. I wouldn’t go running to someone with a pin. If they’re wearing it correctly, they’ll help you.

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JasonA  Nov 12, 2016 • 6:52:33pm

Patrick Karlsson ‏@Patrickesque 21h21 hours ago
a preview of what Trump’s inauguration will look like

Gore won popular vote by 500K, Hillary is expected to win by 2M

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Stanley Sea  Nov 12, 2016 • 6:52:34pm

re: #371 Belafon

Dallas Sous Chef Told “Get Out of My Country! We Won!” After Speaking Spanish to His Grandmother:

The guys who said this to him were, he estimated, in their 20s.

The young white male asshole has been released into the city.

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Stanley Sea  Nov 12, 2016 • 6:53:41pm

re: #372 JasonA

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JasonA  Nov 12, 2016 • 6:56:03pm

re: #374 JasonA

I had totally forgotten about that.

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scottslemmons  Nov 12, 2016 • 6:56:38pm

re: #366 mmmirele

RecoveryRetrieval Artist, by Kristine Kathryn Rusch. I’m an ex-lawyer and the first book “The Disappeared” attracted my attention because of the way conflicts of law are handled between human and non-human cultures. It’s what gives rise to the conflict of the book. But it’s not all lawyering, not at all.

Looks really keen — I’m adding the first book to my Christmas wishlist. :)

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Stanley Sea  Nov 12, 2016 • 6:56:53pm

re: #374 JasonA

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That was nothing.

trump is in for a surprise of the non-fanatical response he’s going to get from “all of America”

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The Vicious Babushka  Nov 12, 2016 • 6:58:45pm

re: #374 JasonA

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scottslemmons  Nov 12, 2016 • 6:59:41pm

re: #378 scottslemmons

Looks really keen — I’m adding the first book to my Christmas wishlist. :)

Actually, it’s three dollars on the Kindle, so I just bought it…

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Belafon  Nov 12, 2016 • 6:59:57pm

re: #379 Stanley Sea

That was nothing.

trump is in for a surprise of the non-fanatical response he’s going to get from “all of America”

It would be great if there was a way to make the response to every one of his speeches be *yawn* from the American public. An occasional “Yeah, we know you’re not actually running things” would get him twisted.

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JasonA  Nov 12, 2016 • 7:00:33pm

In the “not helping” category:

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Nov 12, 2016 • 7:01:53pm

I have been lurching between hope for the next 2 elections and despair for the future, for the last 3 days. I feel a bit worn out, and nothing is enjoyable.

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JasonA  Nov 12, 2016 • 7:02:32pm

I need to do some self-care but nothing else seems important.

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Feline Fearless Leader  Nov 12, 2016 • 7:03:39pm

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JasonA  Nov 12, 2016 • 7:04:10pm

re: #386 Feline Fearless Leader

That totally reminds me that I have Bailey’s in the fridge.

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baileylamb  Nov 12, 2016 • 7:04:52pm

re: #364 JasonA

Has anybody asked them why don’t they (white Nationalist) move to Russia?

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Belafon  Nov 12, 2016 • 7:05:02pm

re: #383 JasonA

In the “not helping” category:

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Maybe this is what VegasGolfer means by playing by their rules.

Trump supporters are a minority in New York. Someone should point that out to them.

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JasonA  Nov 12, 2016 • 7:06:35pm

Ok, Kragar, you made me laugh out loud.

I’m still giggling, damn it.

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Feline Fearless Leader  Nov 12, 2016 • 7:06:41pm

re: #388 baileylamb

Has anybody asked them why don’t they (white Nationalist) move to Russia?

Because then they’d be immigrants stealing jobs from native-born Russians?

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Nov 12, 2016 • 7:08:10pm

re: #391 Feline Fearless Leader

Because Russia is a withered country.

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Charles Johnson  Nov 12, 2016 • 7:10:05pm
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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Nov 12, 2016 • 7:10:11pm

re: #385 JasonA

I need to do some self-care but nothing else seems important.

Self care is important. Period.

We’re in this for the long haul. You have to take care of yourself accordingly. Especially now.

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Romantic Heretic  Nov 12, 2016 • 7:11:12pm

re: #310 JasonA

Well, yes, because all the GOP cares about is taking power, our Constitutional ideals of equality and justice be-damned.

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I really want to know what the fuck it is they ever loved about this country.

They don’t love this country.

They love the one that will come about when it is ‘purified.’

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steve_davis  Nov 12, 2016 • 7:12:13pm

re: #17 stpaulbear

I still can’t read the news yet. It’s all I can do to read LGF without getting too depressed to function.

I wound up binge watching all of Ken Burns’ ‘The Civil War’ yesterday (it’s all on YouTube). I had never watched it before. I finished it thinking that we’re barely more enlightened now than we were back then. At least Lincoln won re-election.

then we assassinated him. then we followed him with a guy we impeached. and then we followed HIM with a guy who ran the most corrupt administration of the 19th century. We’ve actually been in bad straits before as a nation. Believe it or not, other than my losing health insurance during the first reconciliation package, I’m moderately hopeful that we can hold out for two years, and then perhaps have generated so much disgust in the Republican brand that we pick up 3 senate seats.

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JasonA  Nov 12, 2016 • 7:13:55pm

re: #394 klys (maker of Silmarils)

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bratwurst  Nov 12, 2016 • 7:14:23pm

Wow, my 80th page here (on the topic of soda taxes) received more retweets in 20 minutes than my last page has in 11 days!

It was really nice to immerse myself in researching and writing on a topic for a couple of hours and not thinking about anything else.

I can highly recommend this to everyone looking for distraction.

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Belafon  Nov 12, 2016 • 7:14:34pm

re: #394 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Self care is important. Period.

We’re in this for the long haul. You have to take care of yourself accordingly. Especially now.

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I’m struggling to maintain my blood pressure, and this week has sent it through the roof. I finally got to talk about it in meatspace with my parents, and that seriously helped. One of the problems I do have is that I don’t really know of any liberals at my job (all of the two dozen or so I come into regular contact with are conservatives) and so I can’t really talk about it at work.

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Romantic Heretic  Nov 12, 2016 • 7:14:35pm

re: #336 mmmirele

I discovered a new science fiction series today. I spent the afternoon reading books. I was the happiest I’ve been in five days.

Which series? I’m always looking for new reads.

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makeitstop  Nov 12, 2016 • 7:17:26pm

re: #379 Stanley Sea

That was nothing.

trump is in for a surprise of the non-fanatical response he’s going to get from “all of America”

How long before he gets pissy about the criticism and calls his opposition something that will make ‘basket of deplorables’ sound like a friendly greeting?

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JasonA  Nov 12, 2016 • 7:19:09pm

re: #396 steve_davis

then we assassinated him. then we followed him with a guy we impeached. and then we followed HIM with a guy who ran the most corrupt administration of the 19th century. We’ve actually been in bad straits before as a nation. Believe it or not, other than my losing health insurance during the first reconciliation package, I’m moderately hopeful that we can hold out for two years, and then perhaps have generated so much disgust in the Republican brand that we pick up 3 senate seats.

I think my problem is that I tend to see the worst-case scenario.

If Trump voters think we’re only worried about losing abortion rights, gay rights, and the VRA then quite frankly they aren’t imagining hard enough.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Nov 12, 2016 • 7:19:56pm

re: #397 JasonA

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Romantic Heretic  Nov 12, 2016 • 7:20:42pm

re: #366 mmmirele

Cool. I like that sort of thing.

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JasonA  Nov 12, 2016 • 7:21:56pm

re: #401 makeitstop

How long before he gets pissy about the criticism and calls his opposition something that will make ‘basket of deplorables’ sound like a friendly greeting?

I saw that story about how he’s going to use his Twitter more sparingly and gave it a big fat whatever. This man has to be heard. It’s a part of his character. It will happen. I do not think it will take very long at all.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 12, 2016 • 7:23:33pm

I think what the DNC needs to do is to spend a lot of money working with all registered Democrats in every state with Voter ID to assist any who lack the Gestapo-required papers to get them, including driving them to the DMV, helping with filling out paperwork, etc.

Of course we continue to fight the laws in court, but we haven’t always won, and it may get worse.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Nov 12, 2016 • 7:24:31pm

re: #399 Belafon

I’m struggling to maintain my blood pressure, and this week has sent it through the roof. I finally got to talk about it in meatspace with my parents, and that seriously helped. One of the problems I do have is that I don’t really know of any liberals at my job (all of the two dozen or so I come into regular contact with are conservatives) and so I can’t really talk about it at work.

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JasonA  Nov 12, 2016 • 7:24:39pm

re: #403 klys (maker of Silmarils)

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JasonA  Nov 12, 2016 • 7:26:05pm

Bernie fans, please tell your buddy that cheering on planks in Trump’s platform is seriously not helping one fucking bit. It’s not.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 12, 2016 • 7:29:17pm

re: #409 JasonA

Bernie fans, please tell your buddy that cheering on planks in Trump’s platform is seriously not helping one fucking bit. It’s not.

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This is why I don’t want them deciding our party’s future. That’s definitely not helping at all.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Nov 12, 2016 • 7:29:18pm

Offered for sanity.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 12, 2016 • 7:29:55pm

Caught Sausage Party. I admit it won’t be efor everyone here but if you’re in the mood for something silly, it’s fun.

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Barefoot Grin  Nov 12, 2016 • 7:30:39pm

re: #412 HappyWarrior

Caught Sausage Party. I admit it won’t be efor everyone here but if you’re in the mood for something silly, it’s fun.

I’ve heard that it’s surprisingly funny.

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scottslemmons  Nov 12, 2016 • 7:31:21pm

We should be doing book recommendations more often.

Here’s one I read a few weeks back:

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I just finished reading “Spiderlight” by Adrian Tchaikovsky. Yay for reading! :)

“Spiderlight” by Adrian Tchaikovsky. Sets itself up as a standard fantasy plot — adventurers (a cleric, a fighter, a rogue, a wizard, and a ranger) on a quest against the Dark Lord — until we meet the final member of the band — a giant spider who’s been shapeshifted into a mostly human form.

And some graphic novels:

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Quick overnight trip to Amarillo = new graphic novels starring the Black Panther, Squirrel Girl, and Mockingbird!

The first volume of Ta-Nehisi Coates’ Black Panther series, the first volume of Chelsea Cain’s wonderful Mockingbird series, and the first Squirrel Girl graphic novel, which is as great as you’d expect.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 12, 2016 • 7:32:39pm

re: #413 Barefoot Grin

I’ve heard that it’s surprisingly funny.

Yeah it was actually. I needed a comedy tonight. Good choice by my brother.

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Belafon  Nov 12, 2016 • 7:33:26pm

re: #414 scottslemmons

Some coworkers were asking who Doctor Strange was. As I was explaining, one of them said that they’d read that Strange was the most powerful hero in the Marvel Universe. And I said yes, except for Squirrel Girl.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 12, 2016 • 7:33:46pm

re: #414 scottslemmons

We should be doing book recommendations more often.

Here’s one I read a few weeks back:

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The first volume of Ta-Nehisi Coates’ Black Panther series, the first volume of Chelsea Cain’s wonderful Mockingbird series, and the first Squirrel Girl graphic novel, which is as great as you’d expect.

I agree. I’m not finished with it but i really recommend The Warmth of Other Suns. Fascinating book about the Great Migration. Did not know that Coates did Graphic Novels.

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TedStriker  Nov 12, 2016 • 7:33:52pm

re: #409 JasonA

Bernie fans, please tell your buddy that cheering on planks in Trump’s platform is seriously not helping one fucking bit. It’s not.

Who are you kidding? Many of the Bros, I’m sure, have no problem with Trump winning the election, because they want him to fuck the country up so hard as to bring along the Glorious Revolution in 2020.

Fuck them and fuck Bernie for cultivating those Bros.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Nov 12, 2016 • 7:35:43pm

re: #412 HappyWarrior

Caught Sausage Party. I admit it won’t be efor everyone here but if you’re in the mood for something silly, it’s fun.

While we are talking movies and TV, Doctor Strange was fun and I enjoyed Guardians of the Galaxy. Zootopia was good but (haha) rather directly relevant to the whole politics of fear thing so if you are currently sensitive to those undercurrents maybe wait on that. (Assuming you are like me and soooooooooooooooo far behind.)

I’m all ears on recommendations for mr. klys. He’s enjoyed Deadwood (Profanity Western, as it is known in our house), Americans (waiting on a price decrease for the current season), Justified, and Man in a High Castle. Recently watched the pilot for Gotham and isn’t sure if it is worth what Amazon wants for the season. Enjoyed the pilot for Supergirl but is definitely sure it isn’t worth the season price.

Given that the only thing I am currently looking forward to watching on TV is Planet Earth II, I am not the person to give him recommendations but if someone else wants to offer I am very happy to pass along. We don’t currently have Netflix but if there is a really good reason to consider it it could happen.

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JasonA  Nov 12, 2016 • 7:36:18pm

re: #418 TedStriker

Who are you kidding? Many of the Bros, I’m sure, have no problem with Trump winning the election, because they want him to fuck the country up so hard as to bring along the Glorious Revolution in 2020.

Fuck them and fuck Bernie.

Like I said, some people just are not imagining hard enough.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 12, 2016 • 7:36:29pm

re: #418 TedStriker

Who are you kidding? Many of the Bros, I’m sure, have no problem with Trump winning the election, because they want him to fuck the country up so hard as to bring along the Glorious Revolution in 2020.

Fuck them and fuck Bernie.

They’re a bunch of smug jerks. They’ve really disappointed me. I consider myself a staunch liberal but I want nothing to do with them because they’re so insufferably smug and treat everyone not like them like “Neo-lib shills.”

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scottslemmons  Nov 12, 2016 • 7:37:46pm

re: #417 HappyWarrior

Did not know that Coates did Graphic Novels.

The Black Panther series is the first comics writing he’s done. It’s a really cool book, though I worry the Panther is one of those characters with enough backstory baggage that he’d be hard for new readers to get into. I’m glad Marvel gave him a shot with this one — I’d love to see him write a little fiction here and there. :)

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HappyWarrior  Nov 12, 2016 • 7:37:50pm

re: #419 klys (maker of Silmarils)

While we are talking movies and TV, Doctor Strange was fun and I enjoyed Guardians of the Galaxy. Zootopia was good but (haha) rather directly relevant to the whole politics of fear thing so if you are currently sensitive to those undercurrents maybe wait on that. (Assuming you are like me and soooooooooooooooo far behind.)

I’m all ears on recommendations for mr. klys. He’s enjoyed Deadwood (Profanity Western, as it is known in our house), Americans (waiting on a price decrease for the current season), Justified, and Man in a High Castle. Recently watched the pilot for Gotham and isn’t sure if it is worth what Amazon wants for the season. Enjoyed the pilot for Supergirl but is definitely sure it isn’t worth the season price.

Given that the only thing I am currently looking forward to watching on TV is Planet Earth II, I am not the person to give him recommendations but if someone else wants to offer I am very happy to pass along. We don’t currently have Netflix but if there is a really good reason to consider it it could happen.

We watched Zootopia when my niece visited. She loved that even though she’s too young to understand the issues in it. As for Mr. Klys, I’ve really liked the first two seasons of Fargo. Is he a Coen brothers fan? If he enjoyed that movie and likes how they do things, I think he might enjoy that.

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First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Nov 12, 2016 • 7:38:01pm

re: #412 HappyWarrior

Given that I think Family Guy and Seth Rogen are to humor as stage 4 brain cancer is to grilled cheese sandwiches, how am I likely to rate it?

Go on, guess

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HappyWarrior  Nov 12, 2016 • 7:38:46pm

re: #422 scottslemmons

The Black Panther series is the first comics writing he’s done. It’s a really cool book, though I worry the Panther is one of those characters with enough backstory baggage that he’d be hard for new readers to get into. I’m glad Marvel gave him a shot with this one — I’d love to see him write a little fiction here and there. :)

Until this past spring, I had only wrote non-fiction (I was a history major in college) but I wrote some short stories for a creative writing course I took. I rather enjoyed that.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 12, 2016 • 7:39:21pm

re: #424 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce

Given that I think Family Guy and Seth Rogen are to humor as stage 4 brain cancer is to grilled cheese sandwiches, how am I likely to rate it?

Go on, guess

Yeah you probably wouldn’t like it honestly. As I said, not for everyone but it’s silly and in good fun and you might some laughs so who knows.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Nov 12, 2016 • 7:39:38pm
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William Lewis  Nov 12, 2016 • 7:40:47pm

re: #419 klys (maker of Silmarils)

The Expanse is great if you haven’t already watched it.

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Belafon  Nov 12, 2016 • 7:42:47pm

re: #412 HappyWarrior

Caught Sausage Party. I admit it won’t be efor everyone here but if you’re in the mood for something silly, it’s fun.

Speaking of Seth Rogen movies, my favorite part of This is the End is when Emma Watson, given the opportunity to stay with Seth, James Franco, and Jay Baruchel (and they’re playing themselves), decides she’d rather face the apocalypse.

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First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Nov 12, 2016 • 7:43:09pm

re: #419 klys (maker of Silmarils)

“Justified” is a great example of an extremely skilled cast being subjected to some of the goofiest writing since “The A-Team”.

I thought “The Fall” was exceptionally good, especially the first season. It got a little wobbly in the 2nd and 3rd seasons, but all in all it’s worth a watch.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 12, 2016 • 7:43:29pm

re: #429 Belafon

Speaking of Seth Rogen movies, my favorite part of This is the End is when Emma Watson, given the opportunity to stay with Seth, James Franco, and Jay Baruchel (and they’re playing themselves), decides she’d rather face the apocalypse.

Yeah that was pretty funny.

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Belafon  Nov 12, 2016 • 7:44:31pm

re: #427 Ziggy_TARDIS

German message from Daily Kos.

this made me laugh:

You dream big, ‘Murrica, and you fall hard. Get up again. You’ve done this before, you will do it again. You are a horrible nuisance, you drive us nuts 6 times out of 10, and the simplest concepts seem to appear to you as arcane as quantum field theory, while the hardest problems seem to barely make you even hesitate - you are obnoxious like that. But we still need you. We still believe in you.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Nov 12, 2016 • 7:44:36pm

My list of movies I am currently looking forward to:

Rogue One, because Star Wars
Lego Batman
the live action Beauty and the Beast

I make no apologies for who I am.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Nov 12, 2016 • 7:45:20pm

re: #433 klys (maker of Silmarils)

…but I do encourage mr. klys to go see the movies he wants to see without me. Because I’m not heartless.

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We're Way Beyond Snark  Nov 12, 2016 • 7:47:41pm

re: #394 klys (maker of Silmarils)

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JasonA  Nov 12, 2016 • 7:47:51pm

re: #419 klys (maker of Silmarils)

While we are talking movies and TV, Doctor Strange was fun and I enjoyed Guardians of the Galaxy. Zootopia was good but (haha) rather directly relevant to the whole politics of fear thing so if you are currently sensitive to those undercurrents maybe wait on that. (Assuming you are like me and soooooooooooooooo far behind.)

I’m all ears on recommendations for mr. klys. He’s enjoyed Deadwood (Profanity Western, as it is known in our house), Americans (waiting on a price decrease for the current season), Justified, and Man in a High Castle. Recently watched the pilot for Gotham and isn’t sure if it is worth what Amazon wants for the season. Enjoyed the pilot for Supergirl but is definitely sure it isn’t worth the season price.

Given that the only thing I am currently looking forward to watching on TV is Planet Earth II, I am not the person to give him recommendations but if someone else wants to offer I am very happy to pass along. We don’t currently have Netflix but if there is a really good reason to consider it it could happen.

I had been thinking of watching Man in the High Castle, but the timing seems a little off for me to enjoy it…

Now, I would definitely recommend Netflix for a couple of things like Black Mirror, a show that explores the negative consequences of our accelerating technology, but again, it’s a show that would have played better a week ago.

Luke Cage is a Marvel show they have about a superhero in Harlem. The story could definitely have been told better, but the neighborhood itself is like a character unto itself. I love when when a film/TV show really immerses you in a setting, and this pulls it off exceptionally well, especially with the music.

Jessica Jones is probably the best of the Marvel shows. It’s about a woman who had been traumatized and now has to deal with her attacker coming back. It’s a well-told story that revolves around how people deal with trauma in their own ways.

Since you have Amazon I can also throw Hannibal in here. Mads Mikkelsen (the oone who played the villain in Dr. Strange) does such a good job that I don’t even picture Anthony Hopkins in the role anymore. His relationship with Will is very well done.

That’s all for now.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 12, 2016 • 7:49:18pm

I think I’m going to catch more movies and start reading more again. I need some distractions. Already got some music, ancestral research, tv shows, and my job to but I’d like some more.

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JasonA  Nov 12, 2016 • 7:52:56pm

re: #433 klys (maker of Silmarils)

My list of movies I am currently looking forward to:

Rogue One, because Star Wars
Lego Batman
the live action Beauty and the Beast

I make no apologies for who I am.

I am so sad right now that there is a Mr. Klys.

439
We're Way Beyond Snark  Nov 12, 2016 • 7:55:17pm

And dammit, I haven’t seen a hijab since the election. Depressing… though not awfully surprising, even in California.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 12, 2016 • 8:00:36pm

re: #439 We’re Way Beyond Snark

And dammit, I haven’t seen a hijab since the election. Depressing… though not awfully surprising, even in California.

I just hope Muslim-Americans know that a lot of us have their back. A violation of their rights and harassment of them is for all of us.

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sandralhanlon  Nov 12, 2016 • 8:31:48pm

re: #402 JasonA

Yep. The lack of imagination. Except they actually fantastically believe they will be able to ethnically cleanse the United States of America in 2016.

Trump used them. His goals and his supporters goals are barely aligned.

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wheat-dogg  Nov 12, 2016 • 9:08:13pm

re: #419 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Gotham is well written, and dark in many ways — as befits the backstory of The Batman. The acting is also quite good. I recommend it.

Supergirl is lighter in almost all aspects, more of a kid’s show I suppose, but I still watch it. They’re addressing immigration and prejudice under the guise of ETs living on Earth, and season two is gently dealing with same-sex relationships.

If Mr klys is a comics fan, he’ll enjoy them.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Nov 12, 2016 • 9:11:40pm

re: #442 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Gotham is well written, and dark in many ways — as befits the backstory of The Batman. The acting is also quite good. I recommend it.

Supergirl is lighter in almost all aspects, more of a kid’s show I suppose, but I still watch it. They’re addressing immigration and prejudice under the guise of ETs living on Earth, and season two is gently dealing with same-sex relationships.

If Mr klys is a comics fan, he’ll enjoy them.

Passed along. He likes comics stuff somewhat but mostly in the movie/adaptation sense. I think he’ll probably spring on Gotham though, and wait on Supergirl to see if it hits Amazon Prime.

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sagehen  Nov 13, 2016 • 1:08:47am

re: #396 steve_davis

then we assassinated him. then we followed him with a guy we impeached. and then we followed HIM with a guy who ran the most corrupt administration of the 19th century. We’ve actually been in bad straits before as a nation. Believe it or not, other than my losing health insurance during the first reconciliation package, I’m moderately hopeful that we can hold out for two years, and then perhaps have generated so much disgust in the Republican brand that we pick up 3 senate seats.

Ulysses S Grant was *NOT* corrupt.

He was whitewater/travelgate/bengazi/etc’d by people who couldn’t stand that not only was he the General who won the war, but then as President he passed the Klan Act and sent the army out to kick their asses. The 19th century equivalent of gateway/gotnews/wnd published many thousands of pages of revisionist bullshit to tarnish his legacy.

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Feline Fearless Leader  Nov 13, 2016 • 2:52:08am

re: #440 HappyWarrior

I just hope Muslim-Americans know that a lot of us have their back. A violation of their rights and harassment of them is for all of us.

I have seen some women wearing headscarves, but not veiled.

What has upset me is seeing people acting like asses in the local Philadelphia area. Especially the universities - we have the incident at UPenn (though that apparently traced to Oklahoma) and also one at Villanova, which is nearby. Makes me start to wonder what their parents, teachers, and professors have taught them. (Though I also know from experience that groups of young males act like they have single digit IQs anyways. Which partially explains the successful comedy careers of Seth Rogan and Adam Sandler.)

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SirMixALot  Nov 13, 2016 • 6:42:49am

re: #3 freetoken

Well, here’s one European who has no doubts about Trump:

Trump election: Juncker warns president may upset US ties with Europe

I have to wonder what Melania’s views on Eastern Europe being potentially taken over again by the Russians? Is she concerned about her homeland? Will she speak up?

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SirMixALot  Nov 13, 2016 • 6:47:59am

re: #441 sandralhanlon

Yep. The lack of imagination. Except they actually fantastically believe they will be able to ethnically cleanse the United States of America in 2016.

Trump used them. His goals and his supporters goals are barely aligned.

I don’t know about that? Trump was raised by a white supremacist. Trump does not have actual plans to build camps because he’s just not a planner, but his supporters are going to drive out and kill as many people as they can. He will sit back and let it happen.

448
meteor  Nov 13, 2016 • 9:21:39am

In the headline picture, what does it say on that guy’s head?

449
meteor  Nov 13, 2016 • 5:16:52pm

Never mind, I found it.

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Edge of a dream AKA Cankles Mccellulite  Nov 16, 2016 • 2:24:21am

re: #77 Nyet

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quit being right, Nyet.


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