Video: An Awesome Lounge Jazz Version of Sublime’s “Santeria”

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Natalie Angst (from our “Just Like Heaven” remake) returns this week to put a classy big band - meets - classic Disney spin on Sublime’s 1996 hit, “Santeria.”

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HappyWarrior  Nov 12, 2016 • 8:04:27pm

nbcnews.com
Article about the DNC chair competition. Interesting to see that Sanders and Schumer both want Keith Ellison. I do like what I know about Ellison but as with DWS, I did worry that someone who is a sitting office holder may have some difficulty. We’ll see what happens with this honestly. Hopefully they make a good decision and the person who takes the job has a good strategy. Surprised to see no woman candidates honestly.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 12, 2016 • 8:09:31pm

Clinton’s popular vote percentage has been growing. This is going to be the greatest percentage a candidate that won the popular vote lost in the EC since Samuel Tilden in 1876 and that election had some shadiness. I’m more convinced than ever that the EC needs to be done away with. One man, one vote. That simple IMO.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Nov 12, 2016 • 8:17:46pm

OH GOD I JUST REALIZED WHO ELSE IS IN ON THIS GAME.

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Belafon  Nov 12, 2016 • 8:18:02pm

re: #2 HappyWarrior

Clinton’s popular vote percentage has been growing. This is going to be the greatest percentage a candidate that won the popular vote lost in the EC since Samuel Tilden in 1876 and that election had some shadiness. I’m more convinced than ever that the EC needs to be done away with. One man, one vote. That simple IMO.

I know it’s essentially impossible, but imagine if the final vote flipped some states her way.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Nov 12, 2016 • 8:18:26pm

re: #3 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Am dying here.

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Belafon  Nov 12, 2016 • 8:18:48pm

re: #3 klys (maker of Silmarils)

OH GOD I JUST REALIZED WHO ELSE IS IN ON THIS GAME.

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I wish that was really her account. It is pretty funny.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Nov 12, 2016 • 8:19:07pm

re: #3 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Also I am drunk and that is not really Jill Biden but I can dream.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 12, 2016 • 8:19:47pm

re: #5 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Am dying here.

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These are fun and knowing those two, they probably get a good laugh out of them too. See, that’s what I’ll miss. They have humanity that I don’t see with Trump and Pence. Trump is well Trump and Pence is the guy that called Mulan liberal propaganda.

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Belafon  Nov 12, 2016 • 8:20:43pm

The diarist here hints at a very important point: I will not support creating a “new” Democratic party to appeal to the racists we’ve been hearing about since the election.

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Belafon  Nov 12, 2016 • 8:22:50pm

re: #8 HappyWarrior

These are fun and knowing those two, they probably get a good laugh out of them too. See, that’s what I’ll miss. They have humanity that I don’t see with Trump and Pence. Trump is well Trump and Pence is the guy that called Mulan liberal propaganda.

The new Disney movie ought to freak him out. She’s not even looking for a boyfriend.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 12, 2016 • 8:23:35pm

re: #9 Belafon

The diarist here hints at a very important point: I will not support creating a “new” Democratic party to appeal to the racists we’ve been hearing about since the election.

I’m so sick of being told if I’m white and sensitive to issues important to minorities that I’m an elitist city slicker. I’d rather be that than what many of these so called progressives are.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 12, 2016 • 8:23:50pm

re: #10 Belafon

The new Disney movie ought to freak him out. She’s not even looking for a boyfriend.

I bet he hated Zootopia.

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Charles Johnson  Nov 12, 2016 • 8:26:26pm
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Belafon  Nov 12, 2016 • 8:26:45pm

re: #11 HappyWarrior

I’m so sick of being told if I’m white and sensitive to issues important to minorities that I’m an elitist city slicker. I’d rather be that than what many of these so called progressives are.

And I’m not saying the party shouldn’t try something new - oh how I wish it would try something new like working at local elections - but the appeal to those that are frustrated should be caveated on not giving in to the dark side.

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Charles Johnson  Nov 12, 2016 • 8:27:23pm
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Charles Johnson  Nov 12, 2016 • 8:29:42pm
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HappyWarrior  Nov 12, 2016 • 8:30:01pm

re: #14 Belafon

And I’m not saying the party shouldn’t try something new - oh how I wish it would try something new like working at local elections - but the appeal to those that are frustrated should be caveated on not giving in to the dark side.

That absolutely should be the goal. The goal as I said last night is to show people we Democrats are not some elites who are out to get you or your guns but we are your friends, neighbors, colleagues, etc. That’s how we’ll win. We don’t need to abandon our principles or pander to resentments to that. I am so sick and I say this as a straight white male progressive how many white progressives don’t get this. They really seem to think that if we just adapt what they think we should on economics that it will bring the working class that went for Trump back. It won’t. Those voters don’t like our party because we’re socially liberal and damn proud of it as we should be.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 12, 2016 • 8:30:41pm

re: #16 Charles Johnson

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Great NRO. I guarantee they’re lining up on the Trump Express to kiss his ass. Thankfully we don’t have to see since our favorite linker to NRO is gone for now.

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JasonA  Nov 12, 2016 • 8:30:45pm

And now SNL wants to make me cry with a Cohen tribute by McKinnon.

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First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Nov 12, 2016 • 8:32:26pm

re: #19 JasonA

But look on the bright side: Pat Robertson is still alive.

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ipsos  Nov 12, 2016 • 8:32:30pm

Was just gonna say - the SNL cold open is breaking my heart open all over again.

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No Depression  Nov 12, 2016 • 8:33:17pm

re: #15 Charles Johnson

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When you’re dissenting a fascist with no respect for our country’s founding values or democratic institutions, it is true patriotism, Rich. Something you know nothing about.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 12, 2016 • 8:33:45pm

re: #20 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce

But look on the bright side: Pat Robertson is still alive.

Too true but on the bright side, Leonard will be remembered in history as a great songwriter and musician. Pat? As a modern day Father Couhglin who said we deserved 9-11.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 12, 2016 • 8:34:48pm

re: #22 No Depression

When you’re dissenting a fascist with no respect for our country’s founding values or democratic institutions, it is true patriotism, Rich. Something you know nothing about.

NRO has always been hostile to democracy honestly. WFB didn’t think people in Africa and South America were smart enough to have it because of his elitist bullshit. WFB actually was an elitist unlike the fake liberal elites his magazine sceretches against.

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The Ghost of a Flea  Nov 12, 2016 • 8:35:08pm

re: #18 HappyWarrior

Great NRO. I guarantee they’re lining up on the Trump Express to kiss his ass. Thankfully we don’t have to see since our favorite linker to NRO is gone for now.

It’s not like they’re going to admit that there was a quantitative difference to wingnut “dissent”—on the basis of conspiracy theories (Birther) and general moral panic (socialism! death panels!) and other protests.

The only rule is: for me, not for thee.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 12, 2016 • 8:36:37pm

re: #25 The Ghost of a Flea

It’s not like they’re going to admit that there was a quantitative difference to wingnut “dissent”—on the basis of conspiracy theories (Birther) and general moral panic (socialism! death panels!) and other protests.

The only rule is: for me, not for thee.

Sort of like how the late Buckley viewed Democracy. Okay for whites like him but not for racial minorities. WFB and the founders of NRO were terrible, bigoted people.

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BeachDem  Nov 12, 2016 • 8:39:01pm

Damn—took a break to watch some “House of Lies,” thinking Don Cheadle would take my mind off things. Then turned on SNL, and the cold opening tore me apart.

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CleverToad  Nov 12, 2016 • 8:41:01pm

Okay, the Joe tweets made me laugh. Going to miss that man!

I’m back, not even going to attempt to catch up, so hope everyone’s well and there haven’t been too many more disasters. Haven’t looked at the news in days, have been skimming past and hiding various relatives on Facebook. Can’t say I feel any better.

My mom wakes me up in the middle of the night every night worrying about what Trump and the Republicans will do to her family. I lie and tell her we’ll all be okay. This morning she was crying because everything was so sad and Obama was dead. I reassured her it was only a dream and then checked the Obama Diary site real quick to reassure myself.

But I’m not one of the people who are already getting hit by the results of this disaster. Won’t come out it unscathed as they shred the safety net, but won’t be in fear for my life or my family. Time to take a deep breath and start walking again, long road ahead.

Phlbbbbbt.

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Kragar  Nov 12, 2016 • 8:41:18pm
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Charles Johnson  Nov 12, 2016 • 8:43:14pm
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HappyWarrior  Nov 12, 2016 • 8:43:43pm

re: #29 Kragar

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No conversion therapy only can make you straight. // Sigh thanks for reminding me about the most terrifying thing about Pence that would make me still worried if Trump did get removed. And those dumb Log Cabiners are begging that the protections be kept. Why the hell weren’t oyu guys campaigning for Clinton if you were so worried? Oh, you were too busy MBFing her and pretending like Trump actually cared about LGBT rights.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 12, 2016 • 8:44:00pm

re: #30 Charles Johnson

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Doesn’t surprise me.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 12, 2016 • 8:44:44pm

Had to update my avatar. Niece has grown a lot since the last photo I used and more personality too.

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retired cynic  Nov 12, 2016 • 8:46:17pm

re: #33 HappyWarrior

She is delightful!

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HappyWarrior  Nov 12, 2016 • 8:47:45pm

re: #34 retired cynic

She is delightful!

Thank you. She has her father’s smile and her mother’s beauty. Was talking to my brother the other day and he said his goal was for her to be a better snowboarder and skateboarder than he is.

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EPR-radar  Nov 12, 2016 • 8:48:00pm

re: #31 HappyWarrior

No conversion therapy only can make you straight. // Sigh thanks for reminding me about the most terrifying thing about Pence that would make me still worried if Trump did get removed. And those dumb Log Cabiners are begging that the protections be kept. Why the hell weren’t oyu guys campaigning for Clinton if you were so worried? Oh, you were too busy MBFing her and pretending like Trump actually cared about LGBT rights.

The Log Cabin Republicans are a bunch of deeply stupid Quislings that will richly deserve everything the RWNJs end up doing to them. The problem is that innocent people will also get caught up in the RWNJ crusade.

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Charles Johnson  Nov 12, 2016 • 8:48:28pm
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HappyWarrior  Nov 12, 2016 • 8:48:43pm

re: #36 EPR-radar

The Log Cabin Republicans are a bunch of deeply stupid Quislings that will richly deserve everything the RWNJs end up doing to them. The problem is that innocent people will also get caught up in the RWNJ crusade.

That is the only reason why I feel bad. Innocent people always get hurt.

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DC_Run  Nov 12, 2016 • 8:49:15pm

On the strip currently. A line of people are protesting Trump passing The LINQ. Headed to the Trump hotel here?

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HappyWarrior  Nov 12, 2016 • 8:50:16pm

re: #37 Charles Johnson

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Oh fuck off Lowry, they’re not protesting the legitimacy of Trump’s presidency, they’re protesting because of what his presidency means but I can see your Anti-Trump bullshit was like so much else at NRO, fake and hollow bullshit disguised as intellectual discourse. I hope your stupid magazine goes bankrupt because your readers will get bored of reading your tired defenses of Trump because they’d rather read about how Democrats are ruining the country.

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goddamnedfrank  Nov 12, 2016 • 8:52:45pm
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Teukka  Nov 12, 2016 • 8:54:13pm

re: #41 goddamnedfrank

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Also, remember the SVR (Russian Federation Foreign Intel Agency).

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HappyWarrior  Nov 12, 2016 • 8:54:17pm

re: #41 goddamnedfrank

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I’m tired of Greenwald’s concern trolling bullshit. Eat a bag of dicks, Glenn dipped in borscht and vodka, I’m sure Ed can help you find some.

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No Depression  Nov 12, 2016 • 8:55:25pm

re: #30 Charles Johnson

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They’re angry that their religion is losing its privileged status in our society. And their behavior only speeds that along.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 12, 2016 • 8:55:30pm

re: #42 Teukka

Also, remember the SVR (Russian Federation Foreign Intel Agency).

The SVR is more equivalent to the CIA right? I always get the FSB and SVR mixed up. In the USA, we have the CIA which does our espionage and the FBI handles counter Intel. In the UK, I believe it’s MI5 that does the spying and MI5 that does counter-intel.

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Teukka  Nov 12, 2016 • 8:56:15pm

re: #45 HappyWarrior

The SVR is more equivalent to the CIA right? I always get the FSB and SVR mixed up. In the USA, we have the CIA which does our espionage and the FBI handles counter Intel. In the UK, I believe it’s MI5 that does the spying and MI5 that does counter-intel.

IIRC, FSB is Domestic, SVR Foreign.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 12, 2016 • 8:56:40pm

The fact is for so many NeverTrump was insincere bullshit. Lowry and friends were only worried about Trump losing and ruining the conservative brand that they’ve spent years building up lies about. Now that he’s President, it’s all about Team Conservative President and how we can defend that from the liberals.

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Joe Bacon  Nov 12, 2016 • 8:56:45pm

re: #31 HappyWarrior

No conversion therapy only can make you straight. // Sigh thanks for reminding me about the most terrifying thing about Pence that would make me still worried if Trump did get removed. And those dumb Log Cabiners are begging that the protections be kept. Why the hell weren’t oyu guys campaigning for Clinton if you were so worried? Oh, you were too busy MBFing her and pretending like Trump actually cared about LGBT rights.

I guess Peter Thiel rebuked them in the name of Ayn Rand and her survival of the fittest bullshit!

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HappyWarrior  Nov 12, 2016 • 8:56:54pm

re: #46 Teukka

IIRC, FSB is Domestic, SVR Foreign.

Thanks, makes sense.

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KGxvi  Nov 12, 2016 • 8:57:53pm

re: #2 HappyWarrior

Clinton’s popular vote percentage has been growing. This is going to be the greatest percentage a candidate that won the popular vote lost in the EC since Samuel Tilden in 1876 and that election had some shadiness. I’m more convinced than ever that the EC needs to be done away with. One man, one vote. That simple IMO.

Numbers aren’t final, obviously, but looking at the difference in votes between 2008 and 2016. 1.2 million votes between Michigan, Ohio, Wisconsin, and Pennsylvania is the difference. And here’s the thing: if Clinton had the same numbers that Obama did in 2008 in each of those four states, she would have won. 300k in Michigan, 300k in Wisconsin, 100k in Pennsylvania, and a half million in Ohio.

Also, it looks like real turnout (actual votes cast) was down in Michigan, Ohio, and Wisconsin about 700k total. Wholly unbelievable.

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Charles Johnson  Nov 12, 2016 • 8:58:00pm
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ipsos  Nov 12, 2016 • 9:01:56pm

So the West Coasters (and you in your Mythical Mountain Time, anymouse) don’t have to wait for the “live” broadcast later… here’s the SNL cold open with McKinnon playing Cohen.

Youtube Video

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HappyWarrior  Nov 12, 2016 • 9:03:29pm

re: #50 KGxvi

Numbers aren’t final, obviously, but looking at the difference in votes between 2008 and 2016. 1.2 million votes between Michigan, Ohio, Wisconsin, and Pennsylvania is the difference. And here’s the thing: if Clinton had the same numbers that Obama did in 2008 in each of those four states, she would have won. 300k in Michigan, 300k in Wisconsin, 100k in Pennsylvania, and a half million in Ohio.

Also, it looks like real turnout (actual votes cast) was down in Michigan, Ohio, and Wisconsin about 700k total. Wholly unbelievable.

Yeah it looks like votes were down in those regions. Frustrating. Really thought we had this but oh well. The best thing we can do is fight Trump when we can and rebuild. We’re going to have a new generation of leaders. I’m curious in seeing how that turns out.

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Charles Johnson  Nov 12, 2016 • 9:04:13pm
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HappyWarrior  Nov 12, 2016 • 9:04:41pm

re: #54 Charles Johnson

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Moths to flames just like DF’s pal Lowry likes.

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Joe Bacon  Nov 12, 2016 • 9:06:01pm

re: #50 KGxvi

Numbers aren’t final, obviously, but looking at the difference in votes between 2008 and 2016. 1.2 million votes between Michigan, Ohio, Wisconsin, and Pennsylvania is the difference. And here’s the thing: if Clinton had the same numbers that Obama did in 2008 in each of those four states, she would have won. 300k in Michigan, 300k in Wisconsin, 100k in Pennsylvania, and a half million in Ohio.

Also, it looks like real turnout (actual votes cast) was down in Michigan, Ohio, and Wisconsin about 700k total. Wholly unbelievable.

Well, I wonder how many people were purged from the voter rolls and also denied their right to vote due to Ohio and Wisconsin’s Voter ID laws?

Thank you John Roberts and your corrupted Court for putting the slashes in the slogan over your clubhouse. We now live in a society where it is Equal Ju$ti¢e Under Law

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JasonA  Nov 12, 2016 • 9:07:17pm
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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Nov 12, 2016 • 9:07:33pm

re: #55 HappyWarrior

Moths to flames just like DF’s pal Lowry likes.

At least we don’t get links about how we should read this one “reasonable” article anymore.

(Not sorry.)

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 12, 2016 • 9:07:38pm
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HappyWarrior  Nov 12, 2016 • 9:07:53pm

re: #56 Joe Bacon

Well, I wonder how many people were purged from the voter rolls and also denied their right to vote due to Ohio and Wisconsin’s Voter ID laws?

Thank you John Roberts and your corrupted Court for putting the slashes in the slogan over your clubhouse. We now live in a society where it is Equal Ju$ti¢e Under Law

There’s a special place in infamy for Roberts for gutting VRA. This was something that was passed by Congress years ago and stood years scrutiny and Roberts threw that all away because of his crocodile tears for his bs belief that the VRA discriminates against Southern states.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Nov 12, 2016 • 9:08:23pm

re: #60 HappyWarrior

There’s a special place in infamy for Roberts for gutting VRA. This was something that was passed by Congress years ago and stood years scrutiny and Roberts threw that all away because of his crocodile tears for his bs belief that the VRA discriminates against Southern states Republicans.

Fixed it for you.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 12, 2016 • 9:08:28pm

re: #58 klys (maker of Silmarils)

At least we don’t get links about how we should read this one “reasonable” article anymore.

(Not sorry.)

Yeah I ain’t missing that at all. And no I’m not sorry at all. If anything, I’m sorry that I thought he was a better person.

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retired cynic  Nov 12, 2016 • 9:08:55pm

re: #57 JasonA

Oh. No.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 12, 2016 • 9:08:58pm

re: #61 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Fixed it for you.

I thought Roberts specifically lamented in his opinion that VRA discriminated against Southern states but point taken none the less.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 12, 2016 • 9:09:04pm

re: #60 HappyWarrior

Wasn’t the whole point of the VRA to STOP discrimination by the southern states?

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JasonA  Nov 12, 2016 • 9:09:39pm

Most incompetent government this nation has ever seen.

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retired cynic  Nov 12, 2016 • 9:10:04pm

re: #59 Eclectic Cyborg

Here’s that tear jerking SNL cold open:

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I can’t. It’s just too soon….

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HappyWarrior  Nov 12, 2016 • 9:10:12pm

re: #65 Eclectic Cyborg

Wasn’t the whole point of the VRA to STOP discrimination by the southern states.

Yes. And idiots like Roberts who have never actually traveled the South outside the VA burbs have no idea how the South really is. I’m not saying the North’s perfect but there’s a lot of bigotry in the South that does exist that Roberts ignored.

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TedStriker  Nov 12, 2016 • 9:10:17pm

re: #62 HappyWarrior

Yeah I ain’t missing that at all. And no I’m not sorry at all. If anything, I’m sorry that I thought he was a better person.

Did Dark finally flounce, is he still just avoiding us like the plague, or did Stinky get proactive?

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retired cynic  Nov 12, 2016 • 9:11:02pm

re: #66 JasonA

Most incompetent government this nation has ever seen.

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That’ll give Keith Olbermann something to holler about. Heil!

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HappyWarrior  Nov 12, 2016 • 9:11:07pm

re: #66 JasonA

Most incompetent government this nation has ever seen.

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Ann Coulter’s gonna be jealous. She wanted that job. This is simply pathetic. Make a bigoted right wing bully press secretary, sure. What job is Alex Jones going to get when this is over?

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Nov 12, 2016 • 9:11:09pm

re: #68 HappyWarrior

At this point though, it would need to be expanded to all 50 states.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 12, 2016 • 9:11:39pm

re: #69 TedStriker

Did Dark finally flounce, did Stinky get proactive, or is he still just avoiding us like the plague?

I think he’s just avoiding us. I can’t see him ever coming back though especially with a Trump win. I think he may have came back had Clinton won.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 12, 2016 • 9:11:59pm

re: #72 Ziggy_TARDIS

At this point though, it would need to be expanded to all 50 states.

Yeah it would.

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KGxvi  Nov 12, 2016 • 9:12:34pm

re: #56 Joe Bacon

Well, I wonder how many people were purged from the voter rolls and also denied their right to vote due to Ohio and Wisconsin’s Voter ID laws?

The new voter ID laws may have played a role. But the fact that the local party and campaign apparatus wasn’t in place to help get voters registered and to the polls also matters. Ohio turnout dropped from 5.49m to 5.10m. Turnout in Wisconsin went from 3.03m to 2.79m. Trump outperformed Romney by 110k in Ohio and 4k in Wisconsin. This was a campaign failure, particularly a GOTV failure.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Nov 12, 2016 • 9:12:37pm

re: #64 HappyWarrior

I thought Roberts specifically lamented in his opinion that VRA discriminated against Southern states but point taken none the less.

He did. I’m just full of snark right now.

re: #69 TedStriker

Did Dark finally flounce, is he still just avoiding us like the plague, or did Stinky get proactive?

We have the nasty woman plague.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 12, 2016 • 9:13:07pm

Would the federal government be within its power to craft a set of voting laws and regulations specifically for Federal elections or does the Constitution pretty much allow states to make their own laws for elections?

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HappyWarrior  Nov 12, 2016 • 9:13:23pm

re: #76 klys (maker of Silmarils)

He did. I’m just full of snark right now.

We have the nasty woman plague.

Good old snark!

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Nov 12, 2016 • 9:13:45pm

re: #66 JasonA

Well, I mean, she did do a good job with the salute at the Republican convention, right?

//

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BeachDem  Nov 12, 2016 • 9:14:23pm

re: #37 Charles Johnson

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Damn, I remember when Rich Lowry sat up a little straighter on his couch when he saw Sarah Palin, and got starbursts through his screen when she winked. And I thought we couldn’t sink any lower as a country. Fuck, how wrong was I?

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HappyWarrior  Nov 12, 2016 • 9:14:33pm

re: #77 Eclectic Cyborg

Would the federal government be within its power to craft a set of voting laws and regulations specifically for Federal elections or does the Constitution pretty much allow states to make their own laws for elections?

It’s tough since technically the presidential election is not a federal election at all but rather 51(I’m including DC) separate locally held elections. That’s another reason why I want to change the EC. The presidential election and the rules that govern it should be universal and by the federal government.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Nov 12, 2016 • 9:15:26pm

Donna Brazile is apparently at a David Horowitz event.

I think she needs to be replaced. She looks like she is about to sell out Muslims.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Nov 12, 2016 • 9:15:35pm

re: #80 BeachDem

Damn, I remember when Rich Lowry sat up a little straighter on his couch when he saw Sarah Palin, and got starbursts through his screen when she winked. And I thought we couldn’t sink any lower as a country. Fuck, how wrong was I?

I’ve learned there is no bottom.

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wheat-dogg  Nov 12, 2016 • 9:16:11pm

We had English Corner yesterday, and a student asked me if it were safe for a Chinese to study in the USA now.

I wrote about it on my blog. Comments are welcome.
wheatdogg.com

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BigPapa  Nov 12, 2016 • 9:16:14pm

re: #15 Charles Johnson

Wow. Wow wow wow.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 12, 2016 • 9:16:14pm

re: #80 BeachDem

Damn, I remember when Rich Lowry sat up a little straighter on his couch when he saw Sarah Palin, and got starbursts through his screen when she winked. And I thought we couldn’t sink any lower as a country. Fuck, how wrong was I?

He won’t be getting too many starbursts with Trump’s sausage party he’s going to call an administration. Then again Trump is considering Palin and we know how much Rich loves her.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 12, 2016 • 9:17:12pm

re: #82 Ziggy_TARDIS

Donna Brazile is apparently at a David Horowitz event.

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I think she needs to be replaced. She looks like she is about to sell out Muslims.

She’s going to be replaced. Don’t understand why she’d be at a Horowitz event. Disagree that means she’s going to sell out Muslims though.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 12, 2016 • 9:19:18pm

re: #84 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

We had English Corner yesterday, and a student asked me if it were safe for a Chinese to study in the USA now.

I wrote about it on my blog. Comments are welcome.
wheatdogg.com

I honestly have no idea how I’d answer that. It’s really too bad. We had plenty of Chinese students at GMU. I remember them quite well since while we all were gone for our Thanksgiving break, they stayed on campus since it was obviously too expensive to fly home and then be back in five days. I never got to know any of them too well but they all seemed like hard working kids.

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JasonA  Nov 12, 2016 • 9:19:19pm
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Ziggy_TARDIS  Nov 12, 2016 • 9:19:27pm

re: #87 HappyWarrior

She better have a good explanation, because that is the most likely explanation to me.

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jaunte  Nov 12, 2016 • 9:19:39pm
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Ziggy_TARDIS  Nov 12, 2016 • 9:20:32pm

The event in question:

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HappyWarrior  Nov 12, 2016 • 9:20:57pm

re: #90 Ziggy_TARDIS

She better have a good explanation, because that is the most likely explanation to me.

I’d like to know too honestly. David Horowitz is a toxic asshole.

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KGxvi  Nov 12, 2016 • 9:21:02pm

re: #77 Eclectic Cyborg

Would the federal government be within its power to craft a set of voting laws and regulations specifically for Federal elections or does the Constitution pretty much allow states to make their own laws for elections?

Fifteenth Amendment:

The right of citizens of the United States to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of race, color, or previous condition of servitude.

The Congress shall have power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation.

Nineteenth Amendment:

The right of citizens of the United States to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of sex.

Congress shall have power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation.

Twenty-fourth Amendment:

1. The right of citizens of the United States to vote in any primary or other election for President or Vice President, for electors for President or Vice President, or for Senator or Representative in Congress, shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or any state by reason of failure to pay any poll tax or other tax.

2. The Congress shall have power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation.

Twenty-Sixth Amendment:

1: The right of citizens of the United States, who are 18 years of age or older, to vote, shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or any state on account of age.

2: The Congress shall have the power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation.

Each of the voting rights amendments specifically gives Congress the power to pass laws protecting that right. The issue with voter ID laws has always been whether requiring a specific form of ID is effectively a poll tax or if its practical effect is racial discrimination. But Congress could, if it so chose, make voter ID laws universal within the confines of the above Amendments.

This would likely be in the form of some sort of national ID. Strangely (/sarc), this seems to be opposed by many Republicans.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 12, 2016 • 9:21:40pm

re: #92 Ziggy_TARDIS

The event in question:

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Why the hell would a DNC chair be at that event? Genuinely stumped.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 12, 2016 • 9:22:30pm

re: #91 jaunte

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In some ways, Clarke makes Arpaio look sane. I’m sure if he gets DHS, it will be a sigh of relief for Milwaukeeans but a big dread for the rest of us.

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BeachDem  Nov 12, 2016 • 9:22:44pm

re: #56 Joe Bacon

Well, I wonder how many people were purged from the voter rolls and also denied their right to vote due to Ohio and Wisconsin’s Voter ID laws?

Thank you John Roberts and your corrupted Court for putting the slashes in the slogan over your clubhouse. We now live in a society where it is Equal Ju$ti¢e Under Law

Here’s your answer in Ohio:

Ohio has a controversial practice of removing voters from the rolls who have not cast ballots in years. But just how many are deleted remains a mystery, raising questions about the care taken with the swing-state’s voter rolls…At best, these records reveal a lack of care by some election officials tracking voters taken off the rolls.

At worst, they point to a system of removing voters that’s far from uniform - meaning where you live could determine when, or if, your voter registration is deleted. And that could affect whose votes count, and whose don’t, in a critical battleground state that may determine the next president.

cincinnati.com

Fucking Jon Husted. I’m sure Ken Blackwell taught him well!

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JasonA  Nov 12, 2016 • 9:22:58pm

...

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Nov 12, 2016 • 9:23:02pm

Looks like Cenk Uygur might be a really deep cover rat-f**ker.

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ipsos  Nov 12, 2016 • 9:23:06pm

re: #74 HappyWarrior

Yeah it would.

That’s OK. There’s nothing we do in NY that isn’t already compliant with what a revived VRA would require.

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BeachDem  Nov 12, 2016 • 9:26:18pm

re: #66 JasonA

Most incompetent government this nation has ever seen.

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One more reason to never watch a tv news show again.

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JasonA  Nov 12, 2016 • 9:26:20pm
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HappyWarrior  Nov 12, 2016 • 9:26:25pm

re: #97 BeachDem

Here’s your answer in Ohio:

Ohio has a controversial practice of removing voters from the rolls who have not cast ballots in years. But just how many are deleted remains a mystery, raising questions about the care taken with the swing-state’s voter rolls…At best, these records reveal a lack of care by some election officials tracking voters taken off the rolls.

At worst, they point to a system of removing voters that’s far from uniform - meaning where you live could determine when, or if, your voter registration is deleted. And that could affect whose votes count, and whose don’t, in a critical battleground state that may determine the next president.

cincinnati.com

Fucking Jon Husted. I’m sure Ken Blackwell taught him well!

The policy of removing voters who haven’t voted in some time is really fucked the fucked up. I cannot believe that is legal. Honestly, I favor automatic registration once you turn 18 and then if you move states or districts, you should notify your state’s department of state so they know. What a fucking joke. It couldn’t be anymore obvious that Republicans like Husted and Blackwell do and did not want a lot of people voting.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 12, 2016 • 9:27:11pm

re: #102 JasonA

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Tough shit Donald.

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BeachDem  Nov 12, 2016 • 9:27:38pm

re: #68 HappyWarrior

Yes. And idiots like Roberts who have never actually traveled the South outside the VA burbs have no idea how the South really is. I’m not saying the North’s perfect but there’s a lot of bigotry in the South that does exist that Roberts ignored.

And how many states had their new discriminatory laws ready to go the very next day?

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HappyWarrior  Nov 12, 2016 • 9:28:48pm

re: #105 BeachDem

And how many states had their new discriminatory laws ready to go the very next day?

Like fucking clockwork. The people who wrote the Jim Crow laws were smiling in hell when that happened.

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mmmirele  Nov 12, 2016 • 9:29:07pm

re: #82 Ziggy_TARDIS

Donna Brazile is apparently at a David Horowitz event.

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I think she needs to be replaced. She looks like she is about to sell out Muslims.

Un.f***ing.believable. Seriously? Seriously? I mean, DONNA, for God’s sake…

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JasonA  Nov 12, 2016 • 9:29:16pm
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HappyWarrior  Nov 12, 2016 • 9:29:28pm

Teh people who insist we’ve become a nation of complainers elected the most complaining sob ever to the presidency.

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BeachDem  Nov 12, 2016 • 9:33:33pm

re: #86 HappyWarrior

He won’t be getting too many starbursts with Trump’s sausage party he’s going to call an administration. Then again Trump is considering Palin and we know how much Rich loves her.

Bannon also loves her. Remember, he was the one who wrote, directed and promoted the pathetic movie about her, “The Undefeated”—oddly titled, as she had just been defeated and then quit.

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JasonA  Nov 12, 2016 • 9:34:35pm
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HappyWarrior  Nov 12, 2016 • 9:35:22pm

There’s another thing Republicans do with voter laws is fucked up. They require a DMV issued ID and then close DMVs in those areas or as in Ohio, only have one place to early vote per county. Republicans want to do everything to make voting the modern equivalent of the old literacy tests and it needs to stop and be called out. Yet another reason why local elections matter:

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 12, 2016 • 9:35:39pm

Just saw this. Pretty much nails it.

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BeachDem  Nov 12, 2016 • 9:36:16pm

re: #92 Ziggy_TARDIS

The event in question:

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Geez—looks like a fine collection of crazies. Don’t know why Donna would go to it, but don’t get the anti-Muslim vibe you seem to be getting.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 12, 2016 • 9:36:17pm

re: #110 BeachDem

Bannon also loves her. Remember, he was the one who wrote, directed and promoted the pathetic movie about her, “The Undefeated”—oddly titled, as she had just been defeated and then quit.

Had actually forgotten that. Her in charge of the dept of interior, my God.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 12, 2016 • 9:38:14pm

Can I go ahead and assume there will be a lot of protests on Trumps inauguration day?

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BeachDem  Nov 12, 2016 • 9:38:44pm

re: #94 KGxvi

And weasel Roberts probably sleeps just fine at night because, hey guys, he didn’t say there should be no restrictions, just that congress merely had to redraw the map, knowing that had about as much chance of happening as my being crowned as Supreme Countess of the Galaxy.

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jaunte  Nov 12, 2016 • 9:39:07pm

re: #116 Eclectic Cyborg

Solid assumption.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 12, 2016 • 9:39:13pm

Forget about issues, I think one of the most important tasks the next party chair is emphasizing that all elections matter from the most local race to the presidency.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 12, 2016 • 9:39:44pm

re: #116 Eclectic Cyborg

Can I go ahead and assume there will be a lot of protests on Trumps inauguration day?

You’d be right.

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JasonA  Nov 12, 2016 • 9:39:53pm

re: #116 Eclectic Cyborg

Can I go ahead and assume there will be a lot of protests on Trumps inauguration day?

I need to make sure I take the day off.

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JasonA  Nov 12, 2016 • 9:41:01pm

re: #116 Eclectic Cyborg

Can I go ahead and assume there will be a lot of protests on Trumps inauguration day?

It’s like they tweeted this just for you.

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Lidane  Nov 12, 2016 • 9:41:24pm

OK. I need a list of good progressive groups to give money/time to.

I’m not interested in playing nice with Trump or the Republicans. I have no interest in normalizing this election or pretending that Trump is just another politician. I don’t see anything good or positive coming out of the next four years. I see a continuous assault on all of the social progress we’ve made in the last 50 years coming our way and I want to know who is best equipped to fight back against these assholes.

Any suggestions? I’m already planning on a recurring donation to the ACLU.

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BeachDem  Nov 12, 2016 • 9:41:57pm

re: #102 JasonA

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All-consuming duties of trying to whine his way into getting to hold a victory tour of rallies.

What. An. Asshole.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 12, 2016 • 9:42:11pm

re: #123 Lidane

OK. I need a list of good progressive groups to give money/time to.

I’m not interested in playing nice with Trump or the Republicans. I have no interest in normalizing this election or pretending that Trump is just another politician. I don’t see anything good or positive coming out of the next four years. I see a continuous assault on all of the social progress we’ve made in the last 50 years coming our way and I want to know who is best equipped to fight back against these assholes.

Any suggestions? I’m already planning on a recurring donation to the ACLU.

NAACP would be good.

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jaunte  Nov 12, 2016 • 9:43:23pm

I wonder who he voted for?

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HappyWarrior  Nov 12, 2016 • 9:43:26pm

re: #124 BeachDem

All-consuming duties of trying to whine his way into getting to hold a victory tour of rallies.

What. An. Asshole.

No kidding. Oh and can you imagine the reaction if Obama held victory rallies eight years ago.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 12, 2016 • 9:44:01pm

re: #126 jaunte

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I wonder who he voted for?

Dickhead needs a good ass kicking.

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No Depression  Nov 12, 2016 • 9:44:46pm

re: #123 Lidane

OK. I need a list of good progressive groups to give money/time to.

I’m not interested in playing nice with Trump or the Republicans. I have no interest in normalizing this election or pretending that Trump is just another politician. I don’t see anything good or positive coming out of the next four years. I see a continuous assault on all of the social progress we’ve made in the last 50 years coming our way and I want to know who is best equipped to fight back against these assholes.

Any suggestions? I’m already planning on a recurring donation to the ACLU.

Jezebel has a good one:

A List of Pro-Women, Pro-Immigrant, Pro-Earth, Anti-Bigotry Organizations That Need Your Support

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JasonA  Nov 12, 2016 • 9:45:37pm

re: #122 JasonA

Trump supporter Nicolas Quirico was traveling from South Beach to Miami. His car was among hundreds stopped when protesters blocked Interstate 395.

“Trump will be our president. There is no way around that, and the sooner people grasp that, the better off we will be,” he said. “There is a difference between a peaceful protest and standing in a major highway backing up traffic for 5 miles. This is wrong.”

So stop us.

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jaunte  Nov 12, 2016 • 9:45:47pm

When driving a concrete truck into a crowd of people just doesn’t satisfy the rage, carry a semi-automatic and shoot up the sky.

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JasonA  Nov 12, 2016 • 9:46:18pm
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Kragar  Nov 12, 2016 • 9:47:22pm

Sicarian Ruststalkers are the Adeptus Mechanicus’s Skitarii Legion’s stick-thin assassins driven to a bitter murderlust by the mutilations of their former lives. Known colloquially as “shivs” to the soldiers of the Astra Militarum due to the shivering, blurring appearance of their Transonic Weapons, Ruststalkers can dart across a battlefield with daunting speed and fight with a frantic energy. One who witnesses a pack of these metal-limbed killers attack might initially see their blows rain from Carapace Armour or layered ceramite with transonic shrieks. A few heartbeats later, their enemies suddenly seem to disintegrate — hacked limb from limb in showers of blood as the keening blades of the Ruststalkers locate the armour’s resonant frequency and their wielders howl in triumph.

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William Lewis  Nov 12, 2016 • 9:47:58pm

re: #123 Lidane

OK. I need a list of good progressive groups to give money/time to.

I’m not interested in playing nice with Trump or the Republicans. I have no interest in normalizing this election or pretending that Trump is just another politician. I don’t see anything good or positive coming out of the next four years. I see a continuous assault on all of the social progress we’ve made in the last 50 years coming our way and I want to know who is best equipped to fight back against these assholes.

Any suggestions? I’m already planning on a recurring donation to the ACLU.

dsausa.org

splcenter.org

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HappyWarrior  Nov 12, 2016 • 9:48:06pm

re: #130 JasonA

So stop us.

A lot of people think the 1st amendment doesn’t apply when they’re inconvenienced. I’m

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Nov 12, 2016 • 9:48:38pm

re: #114 BeachDem

Geez—looks like a fine collection of crazies. Don’t know why Donna would go to it, but don’t get the anti-Muslim vibe you seem to be getting.

So. I’m going to point out here that she doesn’t actually say she’s at the conference.

It’s a poorly written sentence, likely in part because of character limits. Maybe I’m wrong on that, but I’m not quite ready to crucify her over an interpretation of a sentence that is unclear.

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VegasGolfer  Nov 12, 2016 • 9:49:47pm

re: #112 HappyWarrior

There’s another thing Republicans do with voter laws is fucked up. They require a DMV issued ID and then close DMVs in those areas or as in Ohio, only have one place to early vote per county. Republicans want to do everything to make voting the modern equivalent of the old literacy tests and it needs to stop and be called out. Yet another reason why local elections matter:

I’ve said that downstairs. They dont play fair. They rig the system because they know when turnout is low, they win.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 12, 2016 • 9:49:51pm

re: #136 klys (maker of Silmarils)

So. I’m going to point out here that she doesn’t actually say she’s at the conference.

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It’s a poorly written sentence, likely in part because of character limits. Maybe I’m wrong on that, but I’m not quite ready to crucify her over an interpretation of a sentence that is unclear.

I think you’re right about that. Good eye.

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VegasGolfer  Nov 12, 2016 • 9:52:35pm

re: #126 jaunte

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I wonder who he voted for?

He’s just protecting his master trump, who is of course an investor in the pipeline.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Nov 12, 2016 • 9:53:01pm

re: #138 HappyWarrior

I think you’re right about that. Good eye.

I’m pretty sure the DNC interim chair has more on her plate than attending a nutcase conference in FL, but I could absolutely see her being at a hotel in FL and happening to encounter someone attending the conference.

But I dunno. This isn’t the reality I was familiar with anymore.

I opened up Instagram for the first time since the election to see a post from a stitcher with a big heart saying “No Hate” about how she was tired of the hate (okay) and to please stop calling Trump supporters mean names because she’s not any of those things and it’s threatening her peace of mind.

I bit my tongue real hard and deleted about 17 snarky and/or passive aggressive comments and moved on, because of the app. Sigh.

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BeachDem  Nov 12, 2016 • 9:53:11pm

re: #115 HappyWarrior

Had actually forgotten that. Her in charge of the dept of interior, my God.

Oh yeah, Bannon was everywhere promoting Palin and that ridiculous movie.

google.com

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Nov 12, 2016 • 9:53:59pm

re: #140 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Do you know that person?

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BeachDem  Nov 12, 2016 • 9:54:29pm

re: #121 JasonA

I need to make sure I take the day off.

Might be the next time I watch a tv news show.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Nov 12, 2016 • 9:56:43pm

re: #142 Ziggy_TARDIS

Do you know that person?

No. If I did, I would have a conversation in real life. As it is, very little I say right now would make any impact. Maybe in the future.

I could unfollow, and I might. I’m debating. This is someone who normally doesn’t talk politics, like most of us who post crafting photos on Instagram.

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No Depression  Nov 12, 2016 • 9:58:38pm

I have to admit, I derive a lot of perverse pleasure from wingnuts whining about the protests. We’re pissing all over their fascist parade and they hate it.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 12, 2016 • 9:59:47pm

re: #140 klys (maker of Silmarils)

I’m pretty sure the DNC interim chair has more on her plate than attending a nutcase conference in FL, but I could absolutely see her being at a hotel in FL and happening to encounter someone attending the conference.

But I dunno. This isn’t the reality I was familiar with anymore.

I opened up Instagram for the first time since the election to see a post from a stitcher with a big heart saying “No Hate” about how she was tired of the hate (okay) and to please stop calling Trump supporters mean names because she’s not any of those things and it’s threatening her peace of mind.

I bit my tongue real hard and deleted about 17 snarky and/or passive aggressive comments and moved on, because of the app. Sigh.

Yeah I think you’re absolutely right. I’m tired of Trump supporters complaining honestly. It’s not like they cared about how we felt and in fact mock us for it.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 12, 2016 • 10:02:21pm

I’m saving my conversations for real life too. I’ll talk here with y’all obviously but with close friends and family, I’ll discuss it irl or not at all.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Nov 12, 2016 • 10:02:32pm

Personal OT.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 12, 2016 • 10:03:39pm

All of their whining and complaining about Obama and they have the gall to expect us to sit down and play nice when Trump gets elected.

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Varek Raith  Nov 12, 2016 • 10:03:53pm

Dear White Progressives,
If the Dems talking about social justice issues and/or problems facing minorities makes you ‘uncomfortable’ or elicits feelings of ‘white guilt’, then it is time for you to do some serious introspection.

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JasonA  Nov 12, 2016 • 10:04:59pm

I love this man.

That said, I think the President felt he needed to say what he said in the interest of a peaceful transition.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 12, 2016 • 10:05:11pm

re: #148 klys (maker of Silmarils)

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Nov 12, 2016 • 10:05:13pm

re: #149 Eclectic Cyborg

All of their whining and complaining about Obama and they have the gall to expect us to sit down and play nice when Trump gets elected.

Hypocrisy only elicits a weary laugh at this point.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 12, 2016 • 10:05:36pm

re: #149 Eclectic Cyborg

All of their whining and complaining about Obama and they have the gall to expect us to sit down and play nice when Trump gets elected.

Yes!

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JasonA  Nov 12, 2016 • 10:05:59pm

re: #152 Eclectic Cyborg

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I’ve been learning that this past week, though not for the reasons I’d like.

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electrotek  Nov 12, 2016 • 10:09:08pm

Can someone shut Bill Maher up once for all and go fuck off to the wingnut side? He obviously has hostility for Muslims and will be among the first to kiss ass to Trump now that he’s President. Flip flopping fucking prick

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HappyWarrior  Nov 12, 2016 • 10:10:02pm

re: #150 Varek Raith

Dear White Progressives,
If the Dems talking about social justice issues and/or problems facing minorities makes you ‘uncomfortable’ or elicits feelings of ‘white guilt’, then it is time for you to do some serious introspection.

I’m sick of them playing the Republicans card and calling us elitists because we those concerns are more valid and realistic than selling people a bill of goods about trade deals and jobs that have been lost to either outsourcing, automation, or just inevitable change. Mines were declining when my grandfather left his hometown over 60 years ago. He saw a future in brickmasonry and took part in building many homes you see in Northern Virginia today.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 12, 2016 • 10:11:13pm

re: #156 electrotek

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Can someone shut Bill Maher up once for all and go fuck off to the wingnut side? He obviously has hostility for Muslims and will be among the first to kiss ass to Trump now that he’s President. Flip flopping fucking prick

This is the guy who bitches when we rightfully go after his buddy Coulter. No surprise here. He’s also a smug asshole too.

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BeachDem  Nov 12, 2016 • 10:11:48pm

re: #123 Lidane

OK. I need a list of good progressive groups to give money/time to.

I’m not interested in playing nice with Trump or the Republicans. I have no interest in normalizing this election or pretending that Trump is just another politician. I don’t see anything good or positive coming out of the next four years. I see a continuous assault on all of the social progress we’ve made in the last 50 years coming our way and I want to know who is best equipped to fight back against these assholes.

Any suggestions? I’m already planning on a recurring donation to the ACLU.

My main ones: Planned Parenthood and NARAL for women; No Kid Hungry (because you know cuts are coming any day now); League of Women Voters;

ActBlue (I don’t donate directly, but always do a 20% tip when I donate to candidates or groups)—here’s their TX page of organizations—maybe some of them will address specific concerns:

secure.actblue.com

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BeachDem  Nov 12, 2016 • 10:12:48pm

re: #126 jaunte

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I wonder who he voted for?

He looks nice.

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Varek Raith  Nov 12, 2016 • 10:14:08pm

Think I’m going to take a break from DailyKos.
So much derp there now.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Nov 12, 2016 • 10:14:27pm

re: #148 klys (maker of Silmarils)

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JasonA  Nov 12, 2016 • 10:16:28pm

TFW other members of the free world are protesting your election

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JasonA  Nov 12, 2016 • 10:17:46pm

dw.com

Berliners have taken to the streets to protest Donald Trump’s presidential ascension. US demonstrators continue to turn out for nationwide protests to oppose Trump’s win on an 18th-century technicality.

A lot of us agree with that sentiment.

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BeachDem  Nov 12, 2016 • 10:20:45pm

re: #137 VegasGolfer

I’ve said that downstairs. They dont play fair. They rig the system because they know when turnout is low, they win.

Turzai: Voter ID Will Allow Romney to Win Pa.

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BeachDem  Nov 12, 2016 • 10:23:26pm

re: #140 klys (maker of Silmarils)

I’m pretty sure the DNC interim chair has more on her plate than attending a nutcase conference in FL, but I could absolutely see her being at a hotel in FL and happening to encounter someone attending the conference.

But I dunno. This isn’t the reality I was familiar with anymore.

I opened up Instagram for the first time since the election to see a post from a stitcher with a big heart saying “No Hate” about how she was tired of the hate (okay) and to please stop calling Trump supporters mean names because she’s not any of those things and it’s threatening her peace of mind.

I bit my tongue real hard and deleted about 17 snarky and/or passive aggressive comments and moved on, because of the app. Sigh.

On part A—all the right wing nutcase sites are yabbering about a “confrontation” between Donna and O’Queefe.

On part B—you are a whole lot nicer and more controlled than I (which is why I avoid social media.) Also, I’m not trying to sell an ap, so there’s that.

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William Lewis  Nov 12, 2016 • 10:23:44pm

re: #161 Varek Raith

Think I’m going to take a break from DailyKos.
So much derp there now.

Let Me Guess
Bernie Would Have Won if Establishment Dems Hadnt Rigged The Primaries?

Or Perhaps It Will Be Goodvto Have A Trump Presidency To Purify The Psrty?

The Millions That Will Suffer Are Just The Cost Of the Revolution?

I Dont Do Kos But Those Are Themes Ive Seen Elsewhere.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Nov 12, 2016 • 10:24:38pm

re: #166 BeachDem

On part A—all the right wing nutcase sites are yabbering about a “confrontation” between Donna and O’Queefe.

On part B—you are a whole lot nicer and more controlled than I (which is why I avoid social media.) Also, I’m not trying to sell an ap, so there’s that.

I don’t even make money from it, but I don’t want shitty reviews on something that still might have professional relevance just because of my political views.

Sigh.

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William Lewis  Nov 12, 2016 • 10:25:08pm

Wtf Is My Phone Going Nuts With Caps? Probably The stupid UpdAte Earlier Tonight.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Nov 12, 2016 • 10:25:29pm

re: #166 BeachDem

On part A—all the right wing nutcase sites are yabbering about a “confrontation” between Donna and O’Queefe.

On part B—you are a whole lot nicer and more controlled than I (which is why I avoid social media.) Also, I’m not trying to sell an ap, so there’s that.

Oh, and on part A, she asked him if he’d bugged her offices or was recording their conversation and he said no to both. That was it. She tweeted about it (next one after the one linked).

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Varek Raith  Nov 12, 2016 • 10:25:56pm

re: #167 William Lewis

Let Me Guess
Bernie Would Have Won if Establishment Dems Hadnt Rigged The Primaries?

Or Perhaps It Will Be Goodvto Have A Trump Presidency To Purify The Psrty?

The Millions That Will Suffer Are Just The Cost Of the Revolution?

I Dont Do Kos But Those Are Themes Ive Seen Elsewhere.

That and ditching social justice and minority outreach because it ‘alienates’ white working class folks.
Or some such nonsense.
Now, it’s not Kos himself, it’s the derp in the diary section.

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JasonA  Nov 12, 2016 • 10:26:55pm

Good thread.

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ipsos  Nov 12, 2016 • 10:27:38pm

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BeachDem  Nov 12, 2016 • 10:27:53pm

re: #148 klys (maker of Silmarils)

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JasonA  Nov 12, 2016 • 10:30:24pm

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Nov 12, 2016 • 10:32:35pm

re: #174 BeachDem

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goddamnedfrank  Nov 12, 2016 • 10:33:13pm

re: #133 Kragar

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I’m really liking the Skittari / Mechanicus line of models and the way they’ve basically taken the Necron concept and inverted the ratio of man vs. machine.

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BeachDem  Nov 12, 2016 • 10:35:21pm

re: #170 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Oh, and on part A, she asked him if he’d bugged her offices or was recording their conversation and he said no to both. That was it. She tweeted about it (next one after the one linked).

Which means the wingers will have a four day orgasm about how O’Keefe CAUGHT her doing something nefarious, etc. etc. Those people just make me so tired.

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goddamnedfrank  Nov 12, 2016 • 10:36:04pm

re: #177 goddamnedfrank

I’m really liking the Skittari / Mechanicus line of models and the way they’ve basically taken the Necron concept and inverted the ratio of man vs. machine.

In other words the Ruststalkers are basically Flayed Ones, where the two armies meet at the bottom of the Uncanny Valley.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Nov 12, 2016 • 10:36:44pm

re: #173 ipsos

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William Lewis  Nov 12, 2016 • 10:39:09pm

Test of the keyboard after rebooting my phone. Sheesh.

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BeachDem  Nov 12, 2016 • 10:39:12pm

re: #176 klys (maker of Silmarils)

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Varek Raith  Nov 12, 2016 • 10:42:49pm

re: #181 William Lewis

Test of the keyboard after rebooting my phone. Sheesh.

stIlL BrokEn.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Nov 12, 2016 • 10:43:07pm

re: #182 BeachDem

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Varek Raith  Nov 12, 2016 • 10:44:24pm

re: #184 klys (maker of Silmarils)

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Nov 12, 2016 • 10:50:19pm

What to stitch tonight…

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Kragar  Nov 12, 2016 • 10:51:46pm
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Varek Raith  Nov 12, 2016 • 10:52:27pm

re: #186 klys (maker of Silmarils)

What to stitch tonight…

Pumpkins, turkey, apple pie…

Now I’m hungry.

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Kragar  Nov 12, 2016 • 10:52:47pm

re: #177 goddamnedfrank

Waiting to see what they do next year. Word is they’re going to put out a joint codex for both, which is what they should have done in the first place

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William Lewis  Nov 12, 2016 • 10:55:22pm

Ok another test ditched swift key.

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Varek Raith  Nov 12, 2016 • 10:55:40pm

It’s nice to have an H-Mart nearby.

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Kragar  Nov 12, 2016 • 10:58:32pm

re: #179 goddamnedfrank

In other words the Ruststalkers are basically Flayed Ones, where the two armies meet at the bottom of the Uncanny Valley.

A “Rust Stalker” in action…

“Hellboy” - Scene in library

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VegasGolfer  Nov 12, 2016 • 11:01:53pm

re: #187 Kragar

Right idea (fight back), wrong plan. We need to start winning at the bottom, local, city, state seats. Thats how the Koch brothers do it. Grover Norquist knows this as well. Thats how change happens. Dems get focused on the Presidency, and forget to vote in the mid terms, get slaughtered, and wonder what the hell is happening.
I pitched in a little here in Nevada and now the state is pretty much all blue. So it can be done. Its gonna be a lot harder in the midwest, south and now Ohio, Michigan, and Pennsylvania.

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Varek Raith  Nov 12, 2016 • 11:06:21pm

The coal mines are never coming back in any meaningful, no matter what anyone says.
Automation is making a lot of factory jobs obsolete.
We can’t isolate ourselves from world trade.
We can’t just pretend otherwise. Sad that so many who voted Trump do. Going to be hard as hell to convince these voters otherwise.

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freetoken  Nov 12, 2016 • 11:08:40pm

re: #194 Varek Raith

That the world doesn’t work the way Trump’s rhetoric promises may take time to settle into the minds of his voters.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Nov 12, 2016 • 11:08:40pm

re: #194 Varek Raith

The coal mines are never coming back in any meaningful, no matter what anyone says.
Automation is making a lot of factory jobs obsolete.
We can’t isolate ourselves from world trade.
We can’t just pretend otherwise. Sad that so many who voted Trump do. Going to be hard as hell to convince these voters otherwise.

How to teach when so many are convinced they know it all.

That’s the question, really. Well. One of them.

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William Lewis  Nov 12, 2016 • 11:12:37pm

re: #193 VegasGolfer

School boards are a good place to start. We need to protect them and the local campaigns are great practice.

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Kragar  Nov 12, 2016 • 11:14:10pm
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freetoken  Nov 12, 2016 • 11:16:38pm

re: #197 William Lewis

State Assemblies.

They are the ones which control the redistricting in many states. And even the states which supposedly have non-partisan redistricting agencies, those are influenced by people put on those boards.

However, except in a few states (like California), the Democrats need to significantly up their mid-term turnout if they are ever going to balance Republicans in those state Assemblies.

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Dr Lizardo  Nov 12, 2016 • 11:17:41pm

re: #194 Varek Raith

The coal mines are never coming back in any meaningful, no matter what anyone says.
Automation is making a lot of factory jobs obsolete.
We can’t isolate ourselves from world trade.
We can’t just pretend otherwise. Sad that so many who voted Trump do. Going to be hard as hell to convince these voters otherwise.

“The oldest and strongest emotion of mankind is fear, and the oldest and strongest kind of fear is fear of the unknown.” - H.P. Lovecraft

That’s what it comes down. People are afraid of a rapidly changing world and a future which is unknown. And in their fear, they seek to escape to the past.

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Kragar  Nov 12, 2016 • 11:22:14pm

re: #200 Dr Lizardo

See also…

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Cheechako  Nov 12, 2016 • 11:22:20pm

Even here in Alaska, the Democrats made a major improvement in the State House of Representatives. The House has 40 members and now have a Democrat majority plus several Republicans who are going to caucus with them. Voters were pissed over the inaction in last years Legislature.

Edited: Major Brain Fart

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freetoken  Nov 12, 2016 • 11:24:59pm

re: #202 Cheechako

Alaska - where even the Republicans embrace socialism, i.e., the redistribution of wealth from taxes on petroleum.

Yes?

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Varek Raith  Nov 12, 2016 • 11:26:52pm

re: #203 freetoken

SHUSH YOU!

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electrotek  Nov 12, 2016 • 11:28:07pm

Mona Eltahawy has been on receiving end of abuse from wingnuts and useful idiots like the one above for daring to criticize Asra Nomani’s endorsement of Trump.

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Dr Lizardo  Nov 12, 2016 • 11:32:27pm

I’mma thinking I’m gonna have to order myself a copy of Fromm’s Escape From Freedom; it’s been two decades since I read it last, but it might prove enlightening yet again given the current political climate that seems to be developing worldwide - the rush to embrace authoritarianism.

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freetoken  Nov 12, 2016 • 11:33:36pm

re: #205 electrotek

So I read her piece in WaPo.

She’s in for a surprise.

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Anymouse  Nov 12, 2016 • 11:34:30pm

re: #308 BeachDem

Spoken like a true coastal elite.
///////////////////////////////////////////////////////

I like AM but I swear he’s been acting like he’s the only guy in a red area of a red state. You are too as Klys pointed out last night. I keep on telling him. The way Democrats are going to be successful in your region isn’t through the DNC. It will be through people like him who convince his Republican neighbors that we’re not all elites out to get them. It was about as far as elitist as you could be but as I told Klys, alas we tried.

Well, I’m glad someone likes me. /s

My wife threw her hat into the ring for our open village board seat. (The board will have to vote on that in December; by law I have to abstain, so that means all the Republicans will have to vote in favour to put her on the village board. On the other side of the coin, if the board cannot fill its quota the Secretary of State will move to dissolve our village board - and seize the millions of dollars the village has in the bank - so out of self-preservation the Republicans may put a liberal on the board. We’ll see.) The next village board meeting is also the normal reorganisation after an election: we’ll see if I am installed as chair (mayor) since I am now the senior elected trustee.

I need to take a break from politics. I will not “flounce” from here, though I will refrain from commenting for awhile. My comments have been misconstrued, perhaps because I did not express them clearly enough. I will try one more time, in a single summary, and then sit back awhile. (You have not lost me, I just need to decompress for awhile. I’ll be back, and you have been warned.)

- I didn’t call anyone “coastal elites.” That is the attitude of many people in the Heartland. I merely noted that is the attitude, and somehow that got ascribed to me.

- I noted, repeatedly, I understand party activity has to be built from the ground up. What others have failed to acknowledge is if the national party or state party does not provide help, then the grassroots organising will fail. Every Republican trustee on my village board gets support from both the state and the national GOP: every thing from yard signs to bumper stickers. One even got a radio advert paid for by the GOP. Y’all keep telling me to keep on the state Democratic Party, and I called again today and left another message on an answering machine. The state party only seems to care about Omaha and NE-2. I cannot do it alone in my area: I need outside help. I don’t even know what help I need because I am not a political strategist. I do know I am never going to get outside help. It is only a matter of time until I am either voted out (2018 at the earliest) or I am simply too old to continue (I am fifty-six). Rather than lambasting me for living in a state with a large number of conservatives, how about some constructive ideas? (The only one I have heard is “engage your neighbours” which I have done. That resulted in my reëlection and continued belief that liberals are antithetical to American values, so everyone votes R up and down the ticket - but to be fair, only Rs were on offer. The Dems couldn’t be bothered to even look for a candidate for NE-3 House.)

- The Dems need to spend their money on where they have a chance of winning: Well, that’s why we have a one-party state here. The Dems didn’t even run a candidate for the House in this district. In the last election (2014), a rancher from Kimball ran as a Dem to try to unseat Adrian Smith, spending millions of dollars of his own money in a failed effort that was actually fairly close. Not a dime from the Democratic Party. Lesson learned: No Dem ran this time around.

- On the previous item: I mentioned before the idea of all those electoral votes the Dems cede even before an election begins. I only mentioned the count for Senators (2 each) but if you add up “safe R” seats that’s approximately two Californias. The Electoral College is how wins are determined, like it or not, and if you want to cede electoral votes because they are too hard, so be it. Electoral votes are precisely in the basket of the state and national parties. Are the Dems now going to start ceding Wisconsin and Pennsylvania because they went R as well, and are now too hard?

- And on that note, several making the argument about the “special snowflake” white people in rural areas voting R. Well, first, not everyone in rural areas are white and straight (remember Rush Limbaugh screaming about lesbian farmers only a couple months ago). Not every white person here voted for the R candidate. Although there are exactly two African-Americans in my county (per the last census), one of them is our county Democratic Party treasurer.

- I got a “well if you don’t like it, move” argument from someone, who also said he or she did so. Must be nice to be able to afford to do that; I cannot. Moreover, that conflicts with the first point, that liberals have to build a party from the ground up. Pretty tough to do if I had the money to move and left.

I am left with a few options in 2018:

- Fuck it. Why bother, since no one gives a damn outside where I live. I doubt I’ll take that stance, because I love working for lost causes.

- Run for my village board again. People know me here, for the most part I am a respected part of my community.

- Run for my county commission. If I do that, I am less certain of winning an election, and an R will take my place on my village board, making it a one-party town (unless my wife is appointed).

- Run for my Unicameral seat against the wingnut that holds it. Guaranteed no party support. Even if I can come up with the filing fee out of pocket, I cannot afford to be a state Senator on 12,000 dollars pay in Lincoln four hundred miles from my home.

- Run against Adrian Smith for House seat NE-3. Millionaire rancher who ran last time got no support from the state or national Dems and lost, so I suspect that I would get none either. Act Blue didn’t even bother to list him. There are lost causes, then there is economic suicide.

- Start a GoFundMe to raise money to move.

- My wife and I have a car trip planned to Yukon Territory in Canada next summer. If my Smart car borked and we couldn’t return, perhaps I can get asylum from the Trumpocalypse.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 12, 2016 • 11:38:19pm

re: #207 freetoken

So I read her piece in WaPo.

She’s in for a surprise.

Was she not listening when he said he would ban her entire religion from entering? When he said he’d consider making Muslims register? When he said, “The Muslim community knows who’s radicalized. They know. They know”?

smh.

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Cheechako  Nov 12, 2016 • 11:39:52pm

Recheck my #202. I had a major brain fart and had parties switched.

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freetoken  Nov 12, 2016 • 11:45:52pm

re: #209 Blind Frog Belly White

Coastal elite that I am, it’s hard for me to connect to people who are so self-defeating in their worldview, and self-defeated in their political choices, that they embrace politicians who inspires hatred against them.

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Cheechako  Nov 12, 2016 • 11:46:26pm

re: #203 freetoken

Alaska - where even the Republicans embrace socialism, i.e., the redistribution of wealth from taxes on petroleum.

Yes?

Yes. Our State Constitution mandates that the State Resources belong to the citizens of the State and must provide benefits to all citizens. Much of the oil comes from State land. The State gets a royalty from oil produced from Federal Lands.

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electrotek  Nov 12, 2016 • 11:52:45pm

re: #209 Blind Frog Belly White

Was she not listening when he said he would ban her entire religion from entering? When he said he’d consider making Muslims register? When he said, “The Muslim community knows who’s radicalized. They know. They know”?

smh.

She’s one of the good Muslims doe!

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freetoken  Nov 12, 2016 • 11:55:02pm

Continuing on: I know people make choices against their own interests. Happens all the time. Easiest examples are addicts.

But when I read someone who goes out of their way to explain a bad choice by using illogical arguments I begin to wonder what more is going on.

Reading Asra’s article I suspect this is just another case of an existential crisis, someone who has religious beliefs which are in conflict with their experiences and other beliefs.

In this particular case it sounds like she’d like to keep the label “Muslim” as a self-identifier and believes that Trump will help her rid her chosen religion of the people who also identify as “Muslim” but of whom she doesn’t approve.

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Kragar  Nov 13, 2016 • 12:11:12am
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Donkey With No Name  Nov 13, 2016 • 12:13:24am

I’ve encountered a couple of Trump-sympathetic, or at least Trump-curious, immigrants who keep saying “but he only wants to do something about illegal immigration!”. I so want to throttle them while shouting “you think you’re a good immigrant, and that will protect you?” (Also note these are H1B-types who seem to lean libertarian: sorry, the “illegal scum” are feeding us, which is at least as vital as programming cheaply.)

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freetoken  Nov 13, 2016 • 12:15:56am

re: #215 Varek Raith

This doesn’t mean that coastal Americans can’t empathize more with their fellow Americans and try to find solutions to these problems (nor does it mean that there aren’t many struggling working-class people in coastal states). And it certainly doesn’t mean coastal Americans haven’t contributed to this divisiveness.

I know enough about that part of America that when I had the chance after graduating college I left it, never to return to live, only to visit.

When I am really old perhaps I will return to see my last days in a nursing home and be buried in one of the cemeteries with my relatives. Don’t know. But having spent now many years away, I’m glad I left and went to see the world.

And that is the problem for all those states outlined by Nate Silver in his analysis of the “midwest” (for which he starts with PA and goes a thousand miles westward.)

The opportunities for growth since the 1970’s has been outside that area.

Florida now has as many electoral college votes as NY. It may surpass NY after the next census.

But Florida is “coastal” - very coastal, which is why sea level rise will be its undoing - yet it went for Trump.

By “coastal” something else is meant though, in the phrase “coastal elite”.

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goddamnedfrank  Nov 13, 2016 • 12:31:26am
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freetoken  Nov 13, 2016 • 12:32:44am

re: #219 goddamnedfrank

I suspect there will be a lot of that… but so far it is all hearsay.

We’ll know for sure if these people have had a change of heart come the midterm elections.

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wheat-dogg  Nov 13, 2016 • 12:38:02am

re: #219 goddamnedfrank

Trump is a pathological liar. Anyone who assumed he was going to deliver what he promised them is a sucker. Republicans stopped helping unions 60 years ago.

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Targetpractice  Nov 13, 2016 • 12:48:17am

re: #219 goddamnedfrank

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Well hey, Trump never said who the “best people” he was going to surround himself with would be. These fools only have themselves to blame if their visions of scholars, intellectuals, and visionaries being on the Trump cabinet have been replaced with the same pack of lobbyists and life-long politicians that every Republican has appointed without fail.

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Varek Raith  Nov 13, 2016 • 1:02:45am

I just finished watching something very creepy and disturbing.

Nuclear Attack UK Live Broadcast with intro program (updated July 2016)

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Varek Raith  Nov 13, 2016 • 1:17:37am

Ain’t I just rainbows and sunshine?
/:P

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freetoken  Nov 13, 2016 • 1:31:47am

re: #223 Varek Raith

I seem to remember that production causing some problems a few months back. Something about folk taking the program too seriously.

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Varek Raith  Nov 13, 2016 • 1:33:40am

re: #225 freetoken

I seem to remember that production causing some problems a few months back. Something about folk taking the program too seriously.

I can imagine.

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Kragar  Nov 13, 2016 • 1:47:15am
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freetoken  Nov 13, 2016 • 1:58:29am

It’s been 19 hours since his last tweet.

I wonder if Trump’s in twitter-withdrawal yet.

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Kragar  Nov 13, 2016 • 1:58:45am
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Single-handed sailor  Nov 13, 2016 • 2:02:44am
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Targetpractice  Nov 13, 2016 • 2:19:00am

re: #227 Kragar

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Media: “We can’t understand why people keep voting for fascist nutters. Now let’s go to our live interview with a fascist nutter.”

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Nyet  Nov 13, 2016 • 2:23:20am

re: #219 goddamnedfrank

I hope they rot.

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Targetpractice  Nov 13, 2016 • 2:24:49am

re: #223 Varek Raith

I just finished watching something very creepy and disturbing.

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Video

It’s 2016 and we’re seeing stuff that wouldn’t have been out of place in 1986.

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Targetpractice  Nov 13, 2016 • 2:33:24am

So after months of telling me you couldn’t be progressive and support Hillary, couldn’t be progressive and support the DNC, couldn’t be progressive and not vote for Stein…I’ve got Bros playing the victim because Democrats are being mean to them. “How dare you tell us how to vote?!” FFS.

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Nyet  Nov 13, 2016 • 2:37:22am

re: #234 Targetpractice

I see dozens and dozens of progressives on twitter falling for Dworkin’s 250 Russian businesses hoax and reacting aggressively to the debunking (I assume they’re mostly Clinton supporters tho). How is that diff. from the Trumpkin behavior? Intellectual honesty seems to be a scarce commodity these days.

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Odie Hugh Manatee  Nov 13, 2016 • 2:41:40am

re: #211 freetoken

Coastal elite that I am, it’s hard for me to connect to people who are so self-defeating in their worldview, and self-defeated in their political choices, that they embrace politicians who inspires hatred against them.

This coastal elite (I even can look out the window and see the Pacific!) pretty much keeps his head down to some degree in our rural town. Two-thirds of our county (Curry, Oregon) vote Republican and about a third Democrat. As a small businessman in a small town, I don’t allow my customers to drag me in to political arguments. My ‘trick’ diverting them is to use the media “both sides” argument, but with a twist of my own.

They usually like to try to talk about the latest stupid shit that they’re excited about (emails!) and I sort of agree with them (why waste time arguing with someone whose mind is made up?) and then point out that both sides do it (in this case the private White House server and deleted emails that Bush had). Before they can say much more I tell them that for every Democrat ‘thing’ I can some up with, I can find a Republican equivalent (and vice-versa), so with me it’s a wash and thus the reason I’m a small “i” independent (no party). Amazingly, this defuses them into thinking that I don’t lean liberal and from then on I only strategically argue certain points, backing them up with real information that they can look up for themselves. I’ve turned a couple of minds around here, as has my wife, but there’s a lot of work to be done and these aren’t people that you can’t just use logic and reason on.

They just don’t want to listen to liberals because they know that they are right. Sad.

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Varek Raith  Nov 13, 2016 • 2:41:41am

re: #235 Nyet

I see dozens and dozens of progressives on twitter falling for Dworkin’s 250 Russian businesses hoax and reacting aggressively to the debunking (I assume they’re mostly Clinton supporters tho). How I that diff. from the Trumpkin behavior? Intellectual honesty seems to be a scarce commodity these days.

Don’t know much about the report but from the little I’ve seen it smells like poo.

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Nyet  Nov 13, 2016 • 2:48:18am

Also the “you have a Russian name, so you must be a Russian troll” gambit is cute. If I were a St. Petersburg troll promoting Putin’s agenda, you wouldn’t see my real name, I would be a “housewife from Nebraska” to you.

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freetoken  Nov 13, 2016 • 2:50:51am

Radio silence from Trump Tower.

Tweetless for 20 hours.

Who stole the phone?

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Feline Fearless Leader  Nov 13, 2016 • 2:59:04am

re: #40 HappyWarrior

Oh fuck off Lowry, they’re not protesting the legitimacy of Trump’s presidency, they’re protesting because of what his presidency means but I can see your Anti-Trump bullshit was like so much else at NRO, fake and hollow bullshit disguised as intellectual discourse. I hope your stupid magazine goes bankrupt because your readers will get bored of reading your tired defenses of Trump because they’d rather read about how Democrats are ruining the country.

The NRO was anti-Trump simply because they thought he would lose. They had nothing against his rhetoric.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 13, 2016 • 3:13:48am

There is a semantic nuance that is buried in the discussion: these are not protesters, they’re demonstrators. They are not protesting any violation of rights or laws, their are demonstrating their dissatisfaction with the outcome.

A slight shade of difference in meaning, but it really affects the significance of things.

But for now, it is part of the media’s post-election narrative.

And btw, can you even begin to imagine what the Internet and streets would look like if Trump was the candidate who got a plurality of popular votes but lost the EC?

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Nyet  Nov 13, 2016 • 3:16:28am

What I gathered about Scott Dworkin so far (not much), aside from him very aggressively pushing the 250 businesses hoax (first as a standalone news item, then as a part of the “Dworkin Report” package):

1. Claims in the twitter profile that he was “Dep. Director 2009 Obama Inaugural Cmte”.

At linkedin:

“Deputy Director, Management Office
Presidential Inaugural Committee
January 2009 - February 2009 (2 months)
Worked as a liaison for President/President-elect Obama, and the Vice President-elect Biden.”

Not true acc. to www2.gwu.edu

2. Everywhere else the job description looks substantially different:

“Prior to starting Bulldog Finance Group, Scott served as the Deputy Director of the Real People Project for President Obama’s Inaugural Committee. “

I’ve been unable to find anything about this alleged RPP, seemingly everywhere the name appears on the internet it’s in the Dworkin bio.

3. He seemingly tried to plant a rumor about Pence leaving the ticket, claiming numerous sources and then promising to release some proof, which never came to pass:

I think he was betting on Pence dropping out and gaining some “insider cred” on this, didn’t work out.

If you internet sleuths find more, tell me plz.

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Edge of a dream AKA Cankles Mccellulite  Nov 13, 2016 • 3:35:23am

Right now, I would believe it if someone told me Unicorns existed.

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Nyet  Nov 13, 2016 • 3:37:33am

re: #243 Edge of a dream AKA Cankles Mccellulite

Right now, I would believe it if someone told me Unicorns existed.

Mutant unicorns do exist, albeit as mutants they have two horns…

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Edge of a dream AKA Cankles Mccellulite  Nov 13, 2016 • 3:39:34am

re: #244 Nyet

Mutant unicorns do exist, albeit as mutants they have two horns…

Quit making me smile!

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Edge of a dream AKA Cankles Mccellulite  Nov 13, 2016 • 3:44:52am

Every time I wake up now, I ask, “Is Trump President?”

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Nyet  Nov 13, 2016 • 3:45:17am

re: #245 Edge of a dream AKA Cankles Mccellulite

No.

Dog Smiling On Cue Will Make Your Day

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Anymouse  Nov 13, 2016 • 3:45:22am

re: #119 HappyWarrior

Forget about issues, I think one of the most important tasks the next party chair is emphasizing that all elections matter from the most local race to the presidency.

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Edge of a dream AKA Cankles Mccellulite  Nov 13, 2016 • 3:46:40am

re: #247 Nyet

No.

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Ok. Marry me. you have only yourself to blame.

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Anymouse  Nov 13, 2016 • 3:50:36am

re: #235 Nyet

I see dozens and dozens of progressives on twitter falling for Dworkin’s 250 Russian businesses hoax and reacting aggressively to the debunking (I assume they’re mostly Clinton supporters tho). How is that diff. from the Trumpkin behavior? Intellectual honesty seems to be a scarce commodity these days.

I am not familiar with that hoax, I don’t know anything about it. What is it?

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Nyet  Nov 13, 2016 • 3:52:39am

re: #250 Anymouse

Claim that Trump has 250 businesses regged in Russia:

littlegreenfootballs.com

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Amory Blaine  Nov 13, 2016 • 3:53:40am
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Edge of a dream AKA Cankles Mccellulite  Nov 13, 2016 • 3:53:51am

Russians and Americans have a lot more in common than they think they do.

I know this because my step dad was Russian.

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Anymouse  Nov 13, 2016 • 3:54:41am

re: #148 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Personal OT.
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Dr Lizardo  Nov 13, 2016 • 3:54:42am

Live-action Ghost In The Shell trailer dropped.

Youtube Video

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Edge of a dream AKA Cankles Mccellulite  Nov 13, 2016 • 3:56:53am

re: #253 Edge of a dream AKA Cankles Mccellulite

Russians and Americans have a lot more in common than they think they do.

I know this because my step dad was Russian.

ok I messed up. I tried to link this to a Russian article.

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Edge of a dream AKA Cankles Mccellulite  Nov 13, 2016 • 4:02:59am

Sooo….. is Trump still President?
(I’m just asking the hard questions)

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Edge of a dream AKA Cankles Mccellulite  Nov 13, 2016 • 4:06:11am

I just went through over 2 years of pain and losing my hair and I won!
But this seems harder.

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Edge of a dream AKA Cankles Mccellulite  Nov 13, 2016 • 4:10:13am

White women overwhelmingly voted for him. I am f****** pissed. But I’m not surprised.
I use to say “Treat women (white women) like shit and they will want you” unfortunately, I was raised by nice men.

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Anymouse  Nov 13, 2016 • 4:11:53am

re: #251 Nyet

Claim that Trump has 250 businesses regged in Russia:

littlegreenfootballs.com

Thanks. I haven’t heard that one. There is plenty of stuff about Mr. Trump that is true; I can’t imagine why someone would need to make up BS about him.

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Nyet  Nov 13, 2016 • 4:13:12am

re: #260 Anymouse

Thanks. I haven’t heard that one. There is plenty of stuff about Mr. Trump that is true; I can’t imagine why someone would need to make up BS about him.

I think that guy, Scott Dworkin, may be trying to make some money on that. He’s a fundraiser, PR is his thing, making a “career” you know.

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Edge of a dream AKA Cankles Mccellulite  Nov 13, 2016 • 4:17:59am

Is Trump still President? (I’m gonna’ be asking this for years)

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freetoken  Nov 13, 2016 • 4:22:41am

re: #262 Edge of a dream AKA Cankles Mccellulite

He’s not even really Elect until the electors elect him.

Then he’s not President until he’s sworn into office.

How long he’ll last is a good question. We don’t even really know what kind of health he is in. He might just blow off all the psyche-burdening decisions like meeting families of the dead, etc. I think he’s sociopathic enough to order military strikes without even thinking about all the people he will kill. Not being able to grope any woman he wants, though, might prove to be too big a burden for him.

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Anymouse  Nov 13, 2016 • 4:23:51am

re: #259 Edge of a dream AKA Cankles Mccellulite

White women overwhelmingly voted for him. I am f****** pissed. But I’m not surprised.
I use to say “Treat women (white women) like shit and they will want you” unfortunately, I was raised by nice men.

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Edge of a dream AKA Cankles Mccellulite  Nov 13, 2016 • 4:28:12am

re: #264 Anymouse

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I know. We need this reality shoved down our throats. But I thank you and everyone else here (sergy…wink I have a crush on you) for making me feel better.

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Dr Lizardo  Nov 13, 2016 • 4:31:55am

Looks like New Zealand just got hammered with a big earthquake: 7.4 preliminary moment magnitude, epicenter 59 miles (95 km) from Christchurch.

bbc.com

Edit; USGS has upgraded moment magnitude to 7.8

earthquake.usgs.gov

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Nyet  Nov 13, 2016 • 4:37:41am
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Edge of a dream AKA Cankles Mccellulite  Nov 13, 2016 • 4:38:21am

re: #266 Dr Lizardo

Looks like New Zealand just got hammered with a big earthquake - 7.4 preliminary moment magnitude, epicenter 59 miles (95 km) from Christchurch.

bbc.com

Well it doesn’t surprise me. I thought Canadians, Russians. Australians and New Zealanders were the sweetest people in the world. Now their world is going to shit because of Merica’ (Yes, we can link an earthquake to the election of Donald Trump.)

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Dr Lizardo  Nov 13, 2016 • 4:38:23am

re: #266 Dr Lizardo

Looks like New Zealand just got hammered with a big earthquake: 7.4 preliminary moment magnitude, epicenter 59 miles (95 km) from Christchurch.

bbc.com

Edit; USGS has upgraded moment magnitude to 7.8

earthquake.usgs.gov

Earthquake map: Image: BQCOQcc.jpg

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joe90  Nov 13, 2016 • 4:40:39am

re: #266 Dr Lizardo

Yup, woke me up and continued for around a minute. Long and rolling but not too violent with lots of aftershocks, although some are supposedly ghost shakes due to new kit reporting echos as separate events. So far only minimal damage reported but there has been a tsunami warning issued for the south east coast.

geonet.org.nz

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Nyet  Nov 13, 2016 • 4:41:16am

re: #270 joe90

Stay safe.

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Dr Lizardo  Nov 13, 2016 • 4:41:37am

re: #270 joe90

Yup, woke me up and continued for around a minute. Long and rolling but not too violent with lots of aftershocks, although some are supposedly ghost shakes due to new kit reporting echos as separate events. So far only minimal damage reported but there has been a tsunami warning issued for the south east coast.

geonet.org.nz

Yes, just saw that tsunami warning. Stay safe.

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Edge of a dream AKA Cankles Mccellulite  Nov 13, 2016 • 4:42:07am

re: #270 joe90

Yup, woke me up and continued for around a minute. Long and rolling but not too violent with lots of aftershocks, although some are supposedly ghost shakes due to new kit reporting echos as separate events. So far only minimal damage reported but there has been a tsunami warning issued for the south east coast.

geonet.org.nz

I don’t know what the hell you just said, but I agree.

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Dr Lizardo  Nov 13, 2016 • 4:44:03am

Here - tsunami warning apparently for the entire east coast of NZ.

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joe90  Nov 13, 2016 • 4:46:31am

re: #273 Edge of a dream AKA Cankles Mccellulite

I don’t know what the hell you just said, but I agree.

We’re all shook up.

stuff.co.nz

nzherald.co.nz

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HappyWarrior  Nov 13, 2016 • 4:46:57am

re: #215 Varek Raith

I’m a Coastal Elite From the Midwest: The Real Bubble is Rural America

Great article. My favorite part is when Patrick talks about his former roommate and realizes that to deny him marriage equality is to deny a friend.

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BigPapa  Nov 13, 2016 • 4:47:24am

Hawaii is currently saying no HI tsunami threat. I’ll have to keep checking if it changes.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 13, 2016 • 4:47:33am

re: #219 goddamnedfrank

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We warned them sigh.

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Nyet  Nov 13, 2016 • 4:48:53am

re: #278 HappyWarrior

As a policy matter, they should be pampered.

But on a personal front? Fuck them with a rusty fork.

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Nyet  Nov 13, 2016 • 4:53:17am

You know, I can at least understand people who don’t care about the minorities’ plight etc. if they are at least getting enough in return, like their jobs back etc. Cynical, amoral, but at least coldly rational.

Voting for a charlatan does nothing to bring the jobs back though. Fuck these people.

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Edge of a dream AKA Cankles Mccellulite  Nov 13, 2016 • 4:53:29am

re: #279 Nyet

As a policy matter, they should be pampered.

But on a personal front? Fuck them with a rusty fork.

QUIT MAKING ME WANT TO MARRY YOU!

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HappyWarrior  Nov 13, 2016 • 4:55:04am

re: #248 Anymouse

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Then we’re in agreement. Listen I’m sorry if I sounded like I didn’t care about your worries. I meant it, I really do respect the work you do. You’re showing your corner of the country that we are people who care about them and I really think that will be the catalyst for change in these regions. I just think there is some people who think everyone in blue states and regions are snobs and have no desire to listen to our presidential candidates especially.

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BigPapa  Nov 13, 2016 • 4:55:21am

After the Bernie Woulda Won narratives, I’m also sick of the Facebook posts that are essentially ‘we thought the world would end when Bush won’ and ‘it’s not that bad, we won’t turn into Nazi Germany.’

These are mostly white middle class or well to do people saying this. I say here, wear a safety pin.

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Nyet  Nov 13, 2016 • 4:55:52am

re: #281 Edge of a dream AKA Cankles Mccellulite

QUIT MAKING ME WANT TO MARRY YOU!

No prob! That’s my real photo!

/

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Edge of a dream AKA Cankles Mccellulite  Nov 13, 2016 • 4:56:47am

re: #283 BigPapa

After the Bernie Woulda Won narratives, I’m also sick of the Facebook posts that are essentially ‘we thought the world would end when Bush won’ and ‘it’s not that bad, we won’t turn into Nazi Germany.’

These are mostly white middle class or well to do people saying this. I say here, wear a safety pin.

I cant pudding this enough.

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Edge of a dream AKA Cankles Mccellulite  Nov 13, 2016 • 4:57:37am

omg I hate spell check

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Nyet  Nov 13, 2016 • 4:58:44am

re: #283 BigPapa

These “Bernie woulda won” posts are silly for one simple reason: Bernie was never the nominee so how the fuck would they know if he’d have won? Maybe would have, maybe he wouldn’t have: these idiots have NO IDEA.

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Edge of a dream AKA Cankles Mccellulite  Nov 13, 2016 • 4:59:10am

apparently “pudding” and “upding” are just alike.

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Amory Blaine  Nov 13, 2016 • 4:59:17am

re: #284 Nyet

I’ve seen that dude somewhere before.

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Nyet  Nov 13, 2016 • 4:59:36am

re: #285 Edge of a dream AKA Cankles Mccellulite

I cant pudding this enough.

re: #286 Edge of a dream AKA Cankles Mccellulite

omg I hate spell check

Dunno, I like pudding, so that sentence made sense to me :D

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Nyet  Nov 13, 2016 • 4:59:57am

re: #289 Amory Blaine

I’ve seen that dude somewhere before.

At a Trump rally…

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The Vicious Babushka  Nov 13, 2016 • 5:00:20am

re: #205 electrotek

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Mona Eltahawy has been on receiving end of abuse from wingnuts and useful idiots like the one above for daring to criticize Asra Nomani’s endorsement of Trump.

You should enjoy Wonkette’s smackdown of this stupid tool.

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BigPapa  Nov 13, 2016 • 5:00:57am

re: #288 Edge of a dream AKA Cankles Mccellulite

apparently “pudding” and “upding” are just alike.

Pudding is like an upding on a spoon.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 13, 2016 • 5:01:11am

re: #283 BigPapa

After the Bernie Woulda Won narratives, I’m also sick of the Facebook posts that are essentially ‘we thought the world would end when Bush won’ and ‘it’s not that bad, we won’t turn into Nazi Germany.’

These are mostly white middle class or well to do people saying this. I say here, wear a safety pin.

Which is exactly why privilege needs to be talked about. I’m what they call an invisible Clinton supporter. I’m a heterosexual white male living in a rural area. If you didn’t know me well, you’d probably assume I was either a Trumper or indifferent to him.

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Edge of a dream AKA Cankles Mccellulite  Nov 13, 2016 • 5:01:58am

re: #290 Nyet

Dunno, I like pudding, so that sentence made sense to me :D

“Upding a thousand times” or “pudding”

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BigPapa  Nov 13, 2016 • 5:02:54am

Hey, it won’t be Nazi Germany. It might be half or quarter as bad, but hey, we thought the world would end with Bush and we’re still here, right? Are you coming over for the game? I have nachos and beer.

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Nyet  Nov 13, 2016 • 5:03:23am

re: #295 Edge of a dream AKA Cankles Mccellulite

“Upding a thousand times” or “pudding”

I pudding that.

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Edge of a dream AKA Cankles Mccellulite  Nov 13, 2016 • 5:04:25am

re: #297 Nyet

I pudding that.

Yeah, your gonna marry moi. I won’t take no for an answer.

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Dr Lizardo  Nov 13, 2016 • 5:04:57am

Looks like tsunami waves are already hitting parts of NZ.

stuff.co.nz

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Edge of a dream AKA Cankles Mccellulite  Nov 13, 2016 • 5:05:23am

ok I will take non for an answer. Just because I’m a reasonable human being.

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Dr Lizardo  Nov 13, 2016 • 5:06:35am

For all interested, live streaming coverage here from Radio New Zealand.

radionz.co.nz

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Edge of a dream AKA Cankles Mccellulite  Nov 13, 2016 • 5:07:03am

re: #299 Dr Lizardo

Looks like tsunami waves are already hitting parts of NZ.

stuff.co.nz

OMG

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Nov 13, 2016 • 5:07:28am

re: #299 Dr Lizardo

Looks like tsunami waves are already hitting parts of NZ.

stuff.co.nz

Leftist propaganda! It’s just a coincidence—like CO2 going up and the temp going up.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 13, 2016 • 5:08:50am

re: #292 The Vicious Babushka

You should enjoy Wonkette’s smackdown of this stupid tool.

She’s right, they are worse. At least with Trump’s ultra loyalists, they knew what they wanted. People like her claim to be pro choice, pro ssm, etc and they still voted for him? Did she fucking miss Trump talking about punishing women who get abortions? Choosing a VP who used his state’s tax money that would have gone to people with AIDS on conversion therapy and who now has promised to roll back Obama’s LGBT protections. This isn’t within me usually to say but these people deserve it if bad shit happens to them, my only regret is good people will get hurt as they always to.

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Edge of a dream AKA Cankles Mccellulite  Nov 13, 2016 • 5:09:18am

re: #302 Edge of a dream AKA Cankles Mccellulite

OMG

OMG not New Zealand. Please no.

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Dr Lizardo  Nov 13, 2016 • 5:10:35am

re: #303 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Leftist propaganda! It’s just a coincidence—like CO2 going up and the temp going up.

IT’S ALL CHINESE COMMIE PROPAGANDA!!!

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Nyet  Nov 13, 2016 • 5:10:45am

re: #304 HappyWarrior

They’re enablers, but they’ll get offended when you call them that.

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Edge of a dream AKA Cankles Mccellulite  Nov 13, 2016 • 5:10:54am

New Zealanders do not think they are nice, so I have to remind them. Yeah you’re fucking sweet.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Nov 13, 2016 • 5:11:01am

re: #305 Edge of a dream AKA Cankles Mccellulite

OMG not New Zealand. Please no.

Well, there are no obsolete, worn-out nuclear reactors to be flooded out, so that’s something.

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The Vicious Babushka  Nov 13, 2016 • 5:11:23am

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joe90  Nov 13, 2016 • 5:11:44am

re: #299 Dr Lizardo

Unconfirmed reports of waves up to 2 metres

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Dr Lizardo  Nov 13, 2016 • 5:12:28am

re: #311 joe90

Unconfirmed reports of waves up to 2 metres

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Yeah, I just heard that. I’m listening to Radio New Zealand’s livestream.

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BigPapa  Nov 13, 2016 • 5:12:34am

I voted for the middle finger

Great job. Here’s my middle finger, asshole.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Nov 13, 2016 • 5:14:18am

re: #311 joe90

Unconfirmed reports of waves up to 2 metres

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Boy, I haven’t seen that triangle Civil Defense (Defence?) logo for 50 years, almost….

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Edge of a dream AKA Cankles Mccellulite  Nov 13, 2016 • 5:14:36am

Yep, Australians, New Zealanders, Russians, Irish, English….They don’t think they are “nice” I have to remind them.

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Decatur Deb  Nov 13, 2016 • 5:15:08am

Fun Fact: You are permitted to take a legal painkiller every four hours to fend off hideous kidney stone pain.

Fun Fact2: A legal painkiller fends off HKSP for 3 hours.

Fun Fact3: People with no medical insurance, living in railroad switch yards, get to do this without legal painkillers.

‘Morning, All.

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Edge of a dream AKA Cankles Mccellulite  Nov 13, 2016 • 5:16:20am

re: #315 Edge of a dream AKA Cankles Mccellulite

Yep, Australians, New Zealanders, Russians, Irish, English….They don’t think they are “nice” I have to remind them.

You are nice.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 13, 2016 • 5:16:27am

re: #307 Nyet

They’re enablers, but they’ll get offended when you call them that.

They are exactly that. They’re like the Republicans in Congress who condemned Trump but still insisted “Hillary is worse.” Guys like Duke, Jared Taylor, and Richard Spencer embraced Trump because they saw a kindred bigoted spirit. People like this know Trump is bad but they found trivial reasons to excuse voting for him whether it was party loyalty, a stupid belief that he wasn’t serious about that getting rid of that thing you value, or this lady who faults Obama and Clinton for not using “Radical Islam” while ignoring their actual record and voting for instead a man who arrogantly insists he knows more than the generals when it’s obvious he knows less than many of us do.

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Barefoot Grin  Nov 13, 2016 • 5:17:50am

re: #92 Ziggy_TARDIS

The event in question: Horowitz’s Restoration Weekend

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If ever we needed space junk to fall from the sky….

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HappyWarrior  Nov 13, 2016 • 5:19:09am

You mean the multimillionaire who never had actually shown a desire to help working people or makes his own products overseas isn’t the white working class hero we projected he was? Why I’m shocked and appalled! We warned them. And our reward was to be called a bunch of PC complainers.

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The Vicious Babushka  Nov 13, 2016 • 5:20:16am
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Edge of a dream AKA Cankles Mccellulite  Nov 13, 2016 • 5:21:25am

My only escape is an observatory. I may have won Prom Queen but all I want is to go to Mars..

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HappyWarrior  Nov 13, 2016 • 5:22:10am

re: #321 The Vicious Babushka

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Drain the swamp.///

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Anymouse  Nov 13, 2016 • 5:23:11am

re: #282 HappyWarrior

Then we’re in agreement. Listen I’m sorry if I sounded like I didn’t care about your worries. I meant it, I really do respect the work you do. You’re showing your corner of the country that we are people who care about them and I really think that will be the catalyst for change in these regions. I just think there is some people who think everyone in blue states and regions are snobs and have no desire to listen to our presidential candidates especially.

Well, I don’t know whether the work I do is worthy of respect. I just try to do what I do.

electionresults.sos.ne.gov

Thank you Jill Stein and Gary Johnson - NE2 fell to Donald Trump by a margin less than the number of those voters. (My assumption here is a bunch of “I can’t vote for either corrupt candidate” magic balance fairy BS came from Democrats voting for Johnson because “weed.” As for Jill Stein, she did a fine job of rodent copulating NE-2. That electoral vote by itself wouldn’t have turned the election, but it might have made the difference in the Democratic representative in that district that lost his seat.)

As for statewide turnout, it was darn near 80% (that I presume can be attributed to our mail voting). The GOP makes it easy to vote here.

But the numbers of this state aren’t all bad: In NE-3 (my district), Mr. Trump actually underperformed the estimates. (He got 74.94% of the vote, meaning a bunch of GOPers crossed over to vote for Mrs. Clinton. My wife said she was surprised at the strong turnout for Mrs. Clinton.)

In my district, my county (Morrill) did about what was expected in NE-3, as Mr. Trump took 78.7% of the vote (1,256 votes to Mrs. Clinton’s 279). Mr. Johnson and Dr. Stein together took 61 votes.

electionresults.sos.ne.gov (county level results)

In my precinct (the Township of Broadwater, not to be confused with the Village of Broadwater - for voting they are the same except people with village addresses get to vote for village board members and village referenda, whilst outlying voters get different ballots without those choices).

I cut in a little to Mr. Trumps margin, as did my wife (she was stumping for Republicans who couldn’t bring themselves to vote for Mrs. Clinton to instead cast their votes for Mr. Johnson).

Mr. Trump took 129 votes to Mrs. Clinton’s 10. Mr. Johnson took 8 (there is zero Libertarian presence in this village so my wife did have an effect) and Dr. Stein took 2.

electionresults.sos.ne.gov (Precinct level results for Morrill County, I live in Broadwater township)

So we have something to build with here anyway. There are Democratic voters in my county. There were some upset Republican voters that crossed party lines to vote for Hillary Clinton. The real goal of our county party should be to try to reach out to those disaffected Republicans, and build on the Democratic base we already have.

Regrettably, the very high voter turnout in my county indicates there aren’t a whole lot of non-voting people left to reach, but we need to identify them and try to reach them with the Democratic Party’s message.

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Dr Lizardo  Nov 13, 2016 • 5:26:09am

re: #323 HappyWarrior

Drain the swamp.///

You know, I’d like to think that Trump’s supporters will soon come to realize they’ve been hustled. But then I also realize that the vast bulk of his supporters are a lot like mushrooms; kept in the dark and fed nothing but shit.

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Nyet  Nov 13, 2016 • 5:26:57am
Go ahead: Label me a racist, a bigot, a hate-filled misogynistic, an uneducated redneck. But I turned down Yale, motherfuckers, I ain’t who you think I am.

No prob, maybe you’re not any of those things. You’re just a sociopath.

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Edge of a dream AKA Cankles Mccellulite  Nov 13, 2016 • 5:29:58am

re: #326 Nyet

No prob, maybe you’re not any of those things. You’re just a sociopath.

Ok, so correct me if I’m wrong. I need to label you a racist, misogynist and all other “nists” that are out there? Right?

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HappyWarrior  Nov 13, 2016 • 5:30:00am

re: #325 Dr Lizardo

You know, I’d like to think that Trump’s supporters will soon come to realize they’ve been hustled. But then I also realize that the vast bulk of his supporters are a lot like mushrooms; kept in the dark and fed nothing but shit.

My bet is some will be disappointed but when Trump is up for reelection, he’ll use the whistles that endeared him to them in the first place and demonized his next Dem opponent the same way he did Hillary and this time he will have the GOP fully backing him.

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joe90  Nov 13, 2016 • 5:30:33am

Wellington, NZ.

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Edge of a dream AKA Cankles Mccellulite  Nov 13, 2016 • 5:31:30am

re: #327 Edge of a dream AKA Cankles Mccellulite

Ok, so correct me if I’m wrong. I need to label you a racist, misogynist and all other “nists” that are out there? Right?

Not you, Nyet, my future husband.

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Nyet  Nov 13, 2016 • 5:31:47am

re: #327 Edge of a dream AKA Cankles Mccellulite

It’s a quote from a dudebro.

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Dr Lizardo  Nov 13, 2016 • 5:32:27am

re: #329 joe90

Wellington, NZ.

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Holy shit; that’s like something out of a disaster flick.

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The Vicious Babushka  Nov 13, 2016 • 5:32:30am
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Anymouse  Nov 13, 2016 • 5:32:46am

re: #292 The Vicious Babushka

You should enjoy Wonkette’s smackdown of this stupid tool.

Damn straight. I can’t believe the number of airy-fairy “well, I like some of the things he said so I will ignore one of the most rabid anti-LGBT forced birth Republicans he made his VP pick.”

Stupid is on both sides of the political divide, but the GOP knows how to weaponise stupid to advance their agenda. Gaa.

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joe90  Nov 13, 2016 • 5:35:55am

re: #332 Dr Lizardo

Holy shit; that’s like something out of a disaster flick.

It’s a wee bit of a worry.

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Edge of a dream AKA Cankles Mccellulite  Nov 13, 2016 • 5:36:03am

I Cant believe this is real.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 13, 2016 • 5:37:36am

re: #324 Anymouse

Well, I don’t know whether the work I do is worthy of respect. I just try to do what I do.

electionresults.sos.ne.gov

Thank you Jill Stein and Gary Johnson - NE2 fell to Donald Trump by a margin less than the number of those voters. (My assumption here is a bunch of “I can’t vote for either corrupt candidate” magic balance fairy BS came from Democrats voting for Johnson because “weed.” As for Jill Stein, she did a fine job of rodent copulating NE-2. That electoral vote by itself wouldn’t have turned the election, but it might have made the difference in the Democratic representative in that district that lost his seat.)

As for statewide turnout, it was darn near 80% (that I presume can be attributed to our mail voting). The GOP makes it easy to vote here.

But the numbers of this state aren’t all bad: In NE-3 (my district), Mr. Trump actually underperformed the estimates. (He got 74.94% of the vote, meaning a bunch of GOPers crossed over to vote for Mrs. Clinton. My wife said she was surprised at the strong turnout for Mrs. Clinton.)

In my district, my county (Morrill) did about what was expected in NE-3, as Mr. Trump took 78.7% of the vote (1,256 votes to Mrs. Clinton’s 279). Mr. Johnson and Dr. Stein together took 61 votes.

electionresults.sos.ne.gov (county level results)

In my precinct (the County of Broadwater, not to be confused with the Village of Broadwater - for voting they are the same except people with village addresses get to vote for village board members and village referenda, whilst outlying voters get different ballots without those choices).

I cut in a little to Mr. Trumps margin, as did my wife (she was stumping for Republicans who couldn’t bring themselves to vote for Mrs. Clinton to instead cast their votes for Mr. Johnson).

Mr. Trump took 129 votes to Mrs. Clinton’s 10. Mr. Johnson took 8 (there is zero Libertarian presence in this village so my wife did have an effect) and Dr. Stein took 2.

electionresults.sos.ne.gov (Precinct level results for Morrill County, I live in Broadwater township)

So we have something to build with here anyway. There are Democratic voters in my county. There were some upset Republican voters that crossed party lines to vote for Hillary Clinton. The real goal of our county party should be to try to reach out to those disaffected Republicans, and build on the Democratic base we already have.

Regrettably, the very high voter turnout in my county indicates there aren’t a whole lot of non-voting people left to reach, but we need to identify them and try to reach them with the Democratic Party’s message.

I think it is and here’s why. You’re a human face, a name they will associate with the Democratic Party. I again when I said the national Democratic Party had an uphill battle, it was because they are distant from y’all. I do agree they could do more and we need to run candidates everywhere. But anyhow when your Republican neighbors see you and that you’re a Democrat, that helps. Agree about getting people out to vote too. We’re good. I think we’re in agreement on a lot of things that the party needs to work on. I just wish longtime Republican Party voters would unde Our values mean a lot to us too and the vast majority if us are trying to live our lives.

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Decatur Deb  Nov 13, 2016 • 5:38:32am

re: #336 Edge of a dream AKA Cankles Mccellulite

I Cant believe this is real.

Really rather it were NZ in CGI again.

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joe90  Nov 13, 2016 • 5:38:36am

Thankfully the weather is mild.

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Edge of a dream AKA Cankles Mccellulite  Nov 13, 2016 • 5:42:39am

And fuck Jimmy Fallon for saying skinny, attractive women aren’t funny. are you serious??? The whole world is upside down. I may be skinny but I do not think I am more attractive than other women.

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joe90  Nov 13, 2016 • 5:44:15am

Shit’s getting real.

edit:

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Anymouse  Nov 13, 2016 • 5:44:43am

re: #337 HappyWarrior

I think it is and here’s why. You’re a human face, a name they will associate with the Democratic Party. I again when I said the national Democratic Party had an uphill battle, it was because they are distant from y’all. I do agree they could do more and we need to run candidates everywhere. But anyhow when your Republican neighbors see you and that you’re a Democrat, that helps. Agree about getting people out to vote too. We’re good. I think we’re in agreement on a lot of things that the party needs to work on. I just wish longtime Republican Party voters would unde Our values mean a lot to us too and the vast majority if us are trying to live our lives.

Well, my neighbours see that I mow my lawn (well, this summer I paid my neighbour to do it because we were in Canada and later my elbow surgery), pay my bills and taxes, overtip at the local restaurants, and do almost all of my shopping locally.

Maybe it will be thirty years or past my lifetime before my county or my state flips to the Dems, but it will never happen unless someone tries. (It’s awfully lonely though to fight on out here alone. It doesn’t help I haven’t gotten any support from the state party, but it’s not like I am asking for money; just some hints on how to GOTV and present the Democratic message more clearly.)

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Edge of a dream AKA Cankles Mccellulite  Nov 13, 2016 • 5:45:08am

I have actually had men tell me I need to gain some weight.

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Dr Lizardo  Nov 13, 2016 • 5:45:15am

You know, these back-to-back quakes; it sounds to my amateur ear like a fault line is unzipping from one end to another. This is something I’d expect to see as more likely in a subduction zone megathrust earthquake.

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Anymouse  Nov 13, 2016 • 5:45:46am

re: #343 Edge of a dream AKA Cankles Mccellulite

I have actually had men tell me I need to gain some weight.

My wife tells me the same thing. I would say “marry me,” but my wife might object. /s

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Anymouse  Nov 13, 2016 • 5:46:42am

re: #343 Edge of a dream AKA Cankles Mccellulite

I have actually had men tell me I need to gain some weight.

My wife just said after I read that to her, “I’ll marry both of you.”

My wife is very open-minded. /s

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jeffreyw  Nov 13, 2016 • 5:47:33am

Imgur


It’s Memorex!

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HappyWarrior  Nov 13, 2016 • 5:47:42am

re: #340 Edge of a dream AKA Cankles Mccellulite

em>re: #342 Anymouse

Well, my neighbours see that I mow my lawn (well, this summer I paid my neighbour to do it because we were in Canada and later my elbow surgery), pay my bills and taxes, overtip at the local restaurants, and do almost all of my shopping locally.

Maybe it will be thirty years or past my lifetime before my county or my state flips to the Dems, but it will never happen unless someone tries. (It’s awfully lonely though to fight on out here alone. It doesn’t help I haven’t gotten any support from the state party, but it’s not like I am asking for money; just some hints on how to GOTV and present the Democratic message more clearly.)

And that’s where we are in 100% agreement, things do need to change. They do need to support more and recruit more.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 13, 2016 • 5:48:52am

re: #340 Edge of a dream AKA Cankles Mccellulite

And fuck Jimmy Fallon for saying skinny, attractive women aren’t funny. are you serious??? The whole world is upside down. I may be skinny but I do not think I am more attractive than other women.

What brought him saying that on? It’s not as if he’s particularly funny himself.

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Edge of a dream AKA Cankles Mccellulite  Nov 13, 2016 • 5:48:55am

re: #346 Anymouse

My wife just said after I read that to her, “I’ll marry both of you.”

My wife is very open-minded. /s

Haha. So am I.

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The Vicious Babushka  Nov 13, 2016 • 5:51:21am
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Edge of a dream AKA Cankles Mccellulite  Nov 13, 2016 • 5:51:31am

re: #349 HappyWarrior

What brought him saying that on? It’s not as if he’s particularly funny himself.

Haha. No he isn’t,I agree. But then again I’m not surpised. ,maybe sarcasm? I don’t know. Nothing surprises me anymore. NOTHING.

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Edge of a dream AKA Cankles Mccellulite  Nov 13, 2016 • 5:54:32am

This is all a joke. Right?

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wheat-dogg  Nov 13, 2016 • 5:56:32am

re: #351 The Vicious Babushka

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Hardly a mandate, if you ask me. Plus, there were 100 million or so eligible voters who just didn’t, or couldn’t.

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joe90  Nov 13, 2016 • 5:59:02am

Tsunami sirens in Wellington and Christchurch


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Dr Lizardo  Nov 13, 2016 • 6:00:49am

re: #355 joe90

Tsunami sirens in Wellington and Christchurch

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Sounds like the air raid sirens they test every month here.

Every first Wednesday of the month, at noon sharp.

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Anymouse  Nov 13, 2016 • 6:00:54am

re: #350 Edge of a dream AKA Cankles Mccellulite

Haha. So am I.

Marry us. /s /half /well, maybe eighth

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joe90  Nov 13, 2016 • 6:02:10am

re: #356 Dr Lizardo

We’ve been well drilled.

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Dr Lizardo  Nov 13, 2016 • 6:02:59am

Livestream from Lyall Bay, Wellington, NZ:

Lyall Bay, Wellington, New Zealand - Live Stream

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joe90  Nov 13, 2016 • 6:03:15am

It was a biggie.

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Anymouse  Nov 13, 2016 • 6:04:52am

re: #358 joe90

We’ve been well drilled.

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Stay safe.

Tsunami sirens are the same as our tornado siren. I presume New Zealand doesn’t have to worry much about tornadoes, just as we don’t have to worry too much about tsunamis.

Capitalism: standardisation of sirens, apparently.

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Dr Lizardo  Nov 13, 2016 • 6:06:07am

re: #360 joe90

It was a biggie.

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USGS is reporting it as 7.8; that’s a whopper.

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joe90  Nov 13, 2016 • 6:08:03am

On high ground on the coast 200 kilometres north of the capital so we’re all good.

However in the capital.-

re: #361 Anymouse

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BigPapa  Nov 13, 2016 • 6:10:16am

This is for all the white middle finger fakas that said ‘I voted for Trump, I’m not a racist or bigot!’

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Anymouse  Nov 13, 2016 • 6:12:10am

re: #301 Dr Lizardo

For all interested, live streaming coverage here from Radio New Zealand.

radionz.co.nz

You can see in the video stream the water pulling away from the coastline.

I sincerely hope that the city will be all right.

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joe90  Nov 13, 2016 • 6:16:27am

re: #365 Anymouse

On the west coast 20 or so kilometres north of Wellington

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Anymouse  Nov 13, 2016 • 6:17:57am

re: #366 joe90

On the west coast 20 or so kilometres north of Wellington

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weatherwatch.co.nz

WeatherWatch in New Zealand suggests the tsunami may have been triggered by an underwater landslide, due to the fact the earthquake itself was so far inland.

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joe90  Nov 13, 2016 • 6:20:13am

re: #367 Anymouse

Yeah, lots of reports coming in about landslips and rockfalls, too.

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Anymouse  Nov 13, 2016 • 6:20:40am

Off topic: Felix Diabetic Randomkitty is trying to eat my pizza. I think pizza is off his diet.

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The Vicious Babushka  Nov 13, 2016 • 6:22:32am

Wow such Presidential very leadership

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joe90  Nov 13, 2016 • 6:25:17am
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The Vicious Babushka  Nov 13, 2016 • 6:25:57am

I’m keeping my NT Times subscription but I let my WashPost subscription lapse. Maybe I should renew it.

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freetoken  Nov 13, 2016 • 6:27:22am

re: #370 The Vicious Babushka

After many hours of silence, he must have wrested the phone away from Ivanka…

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Nov 13, 2016 • 6:28:39am

re: #333 The Vicious Babushka

Democrats need to KISS (Keep it simple, silly).

Here’s a message we can promote: We will bring new jobs to you.

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The Vicious Babushka  Nov 13, 2016 • 6:28:58am
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Barefoot Grin  Nov 13, 2016 • 6:29:24am

re: #373 freetoken

After many hours of silence, he must have wrested the phone away from Ivanka…

He promised restraint after he becomes president. For now he can do nanni-nanni-boo-boo all he wants.

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joe90  Nov 13, 2016 • 6:29:30am

Liquefaction in the capital.

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joe90  Nov 13, 2016 • 6:32:50am
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b.d.  Nov 13, 2016 • 6:41:17am

re: #373 freetoken

After many hours of silence, he must have wrested the phone away from Ivanka…

I remember Obama had to get a special CIA approved Blackberry phone for him to use, I guess that doesn’t matter with Trump since no hacker could say anything more outlandish than he might?

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 13, 2016 • 6:44:01am

So it seems that Chris Christie is getting the Trump Dump. And to think that there was a time I considered him a GOP candidate I might even think about voting for…

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Anymouse  Nov 13, 2016 • 6:45:55am

re: #380 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

So it seems that Chris Christie is getting the Trump Dump. And to think that there was a time I considered him a GOP candidate I might even think about voting for…

Was that before or after Bridgegate? Before or after he apparently diverted Hurricane Sandy funds into projects he promoted instead?

When was there ever a time Chris Christie was not corrupt?

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wheat-dogg  Nov 13, 2016 • 6:45:56am

My blog post about the safety of Chinese students in America has gotten its first comment on Facebook — from a Gary Johnson supporter. She calls me a racist for calling the 60 million who voted for Trump racists, and says my calling them stupid because they “disagree with my point of view” is also wrong. Besides, she says, Trump is toning down the rhetoric already, so it’ll all be OK.

smdh

I’m not going to respond right away, because it’s late and I need to answer coolly, not angrily.

Also, she kind of missed the main point of my post. Whatever.

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b.d.  Nov 13, 2016 • 6:46:19am

I have 9 cable “news” channels and I not a one of them are covering the potential tsunami or earthquake in NZ?

1 guess what they’re talking about.

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wheat-dogg  Nov 13, 2016 • 6:46:59am

Bedtime. Hope NZ will still be afloat when I awake.

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Anymouse  Nov 13, 2016 • 6:48:02am

re: #382 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

My blog post about the safety of Chinese students in America has gotten its first comment on Facebook — from a Gary Johnson supporter. She calls me a racist for calling the 60 million who voted for Trump racists, and says my calling them stupid because they “disagree with my point of view” is also wrong. Besides, she says, Trump is toning down the rhetoric already, so it’ll all be OK.

smdh

I’m not going to respond right away, because it’s late and I need to answer coolly, not angrily.

Also, she kind of missed the main point of my post. Whatever.

You’re the real racist for calling out racism. /s not really.

That does seem to be the conservative argument, and Libertarians are only Republicans who want legal weed. Well, with AG Giuliani, they won’t get that either. Good-bye state marihuana legailsation; he’ll be after every state that legalised.

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Dr Lizardo  Nov 13, 2016 • 6:51:33am

NZ is rockin’ and rollin’; two more sizeable aftershocks a minute ago, in the 5.5 magnitude range.

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Jayleia  Nov 13, 2016 • 6:52:44am
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Dr Lizardo  Nov 13, 2016 • 6:52:44am

re: #385 Anymouse

You’re the real racist for calling out racism. /s not really.

That does seem to be the conservative argument, and Libertarians are only Republicans who want legal weed. Well, with AG Giuliani, they won’t get that either. Good-bye state marihuana legailsation; he’ll be after every state that legalised.

Best thing those states can do is just say, “LOL go pound sand, Rudy.” Let him enforce it - if he tries, refuse to cooperate.

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joe90  Nov 13, 2016 • 6:54:47am

re: #386 Dr Lizardo

Somewhere near Kaikura

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Anymouse  Nov 13, 2016 • 6:59:36am

re: #388 Dr Lizardo

Best thing those states can do is just say, “LOL go pound sand, Rudy.” Let him enforce it - if he tries, refuse to cooperate.

The Federal government has the Marshal’s service, the FBI, and the military if necessary. Do you think for a second that the Posse Comitatus act applies to Democratic-run states?

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The Vicious Babushka  Nov 13, 2016 • 7:01:46am
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Teukka  Nov 13, 2016 • 7:03:13am

re: #364 BigPapa

This is for all the white middle finger fakas that said ‘I voted for Trump, I’m not a racist or bigot!’

[Embedded content]

Never hire union people, they are only out to scam you out of your money!

*ducks*

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freetoken  Nov 13, 2016 • 7:03:51am

re: #391 The Vicious Babushka

I suspect that Fox News executives probably wanted Clinton to win, because it would have been good for their business model. They desperately need Clinton/Obama stories to keep their most rabid viewers glued to the channel.

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The Vicious Babushka  Nov 13, 2016 • 7:05:21am

re: #393 freetoken

I suspect that Fox News executives probably wanted Clinton to win, because it would have been good for their business model. They desperately need Clinton/Obama stories to keep their most rabid viewers glued to the channel.

You mean worshipful tongue baths of Dear Leader won’t do it for them?

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freetoken  Nov 13, 2016 • 7:06:56am

re: #394 The Vicious Babushka

You mean worshipful tongue baths of Dear Leader won’t do it for them?

It’s going to get old real quick, as far as entertainment to draw in the viewers.

Fox need scandals so they can continue to be outraged.

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BigPapa  Nov 13, 2016 • 7:08:32am
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Jayleia  Nov 13, 2016 • 7:08:47am

re: #394 The Vicious Babushka

No. You know these people, they need to hate people the way you need to bake pies.

And if they spend all there time fawning over the Vulgar Talking Yam-in-Chief, there’s no hate there…and then people might get bored and click on over to…Iunno, HGTV and maybe see brown people that aren’t throwing molotovs…

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Archangelus  Nov 13, 2016 • 7:10:00am

re: #395 freetoken

It’s going to get old real quick, as far as entertainment to draw in the viewers.

Fox need scandals so they can continue to be outraged.

Oh have no doubt that there WILL be scandals aplenty - they’ll just be Republican scandals, which won’t be as appealing/rating-worthy to Faux by comparison….

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Nyet  Nov 13, 2016 • 7:11:12am
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Eventual Carrion  Nov 13, 2016 • 7:18:18am

re: #398 Archangelus

Oh have no doubt that there WILL be scandals aplenty - they’ll just be Republican scandals, which won’t be as appealing/rating-worthy to Faux by comparison….

They just label the repub perp with a “D” beside their name, by accident, a lot.

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Teukka  Nov 13, 2016 • 7:18:30am

re: #396 BigPapa

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scottslemmons  Nov 13, 2016 • 7:18:50am

re: #397 Jayleia

No. You know these people, they need to hate people the way you need to bake pies.

And if they spend all there time fawning over the Vulgar Talking Yam-in-Chief, there’s no hate there…and then people might get bored and click on over to…Iunno, HGTV and maybe see brown people that aren’t throwing molotovs…

They’ll find some scandals the wingnuts will groove to — mainly “OMG, here’s someone who doesn’t approve of Trump! Here are black people! And Mexicans! Oh god, gay people! Muslims are still allowed to exist! DESTROY THE INFIDELS!”

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Anymouse  Nov 13, 2016 • 7:22:19am

Aside from not understanding what protests and demonstrations across the nation are about, here is your potential Homeland Security representative weighing in on your I Amendment rights:

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Nov 13, 2016 • 7:26:44am
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darthstar  Nov 13, 2016 • 7:26:53am
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Belafon  Nov 13, 2016 • 7:28:35am

Stolen from Balloon Juice. A simple message for people to understand:

What are Republicans? CUT TAXES AND SERVICES.
What are Democrats? TAKE CARE OF PEOPLE.

Now, the fun part is how to convey that through the propaganda.

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Frankie Five Angels  Nov 13, 2016 • 7:30:41am

Oh no…

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freetoken  Nov 13, 2016 • 7:32:26am

re: #407 Frankie Five Angels

We’re holding out for Alex Jones…

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The Vicious Babushka  Nov 13, 2016 • 7:32:50am

re: #407 Frankie Five Angels

Oh no…

[Embedded content]

She’s way hotter than Steve Bannon, to be honest with you.

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Anymouse  Nov 13, 2016 • 7:32:59am

re: #391 The Vicious Babushka

[Embedded content]

(Chelsea Clinton reportedly being groomed for a run at the House, per FOX News Channel)

Okay, I gave FOX a click, they cite no source for this except the New York Post. So I went over to the New York Post, and it’s precisely the same article, except they cite no source at all (not even “close contacts with Chelsea Clinton” or other unverifiable stuff).

Could Chelsea Clinton consider running for the House? Why not? Hell, I considered it, and no one at all knows me.

But there is zero information here that is verifiable; so at least so far, this is nothing but speculation based on nothing at all.

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Jayleia  Nov 13, 2016 • 7:37:36am

re: #409 The Vicious Babushka

A bag of bacon jerky is hotter than Bannon.

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b.d.  Nov 13, 2016 • 7:38:46am

re: #407 Frankie Five Angels

Oh no…

[Embedded content]

Fine, get Laura off the radio and news TV. It is just cutting out the middle man at this point. The WHPC and the Press Secretary aren’t nearly as important as a source as they used to be.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Nov 13, 2016 • 7:40:18am

Looks like this is over. The Establishment and Progressive Wings seem to be uniting behind Ellison.

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Belafon  Nov 13, 2016 • 7:41:26am

I was thinking about self driving trucks, and here’s another interesting tie in: Around the time trucks become self driving, fuel cell technology will probably get pretty efficient. So, not only will we no longer need the 3.5 million truck drivers, we’ll need even fewer oil workers.

I image a “truck stop” consisting of a place where a truck drives in, it’s fuel cell is swapped with a charged one, and then it is sent on its way. And then the whole country will become one big assembly line. We’ll probably even raise taxes to pay for truck only roads.

About the only thing I haven’t figured out is if trucks will stay the same size or get smaller.

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The Vicious Babushka  Nov 13, 2016 • 7:45:31am

re: #414 Belafon

I was thinking about self driving trucks, and here’s another interesting tie in: Around the time trucks become self driving, fuel cell technology will probably get pretty efficient. So, not only will we no longer need the 3.5 million truck drivers, we’ll need even fewer oil workers.

I image a “truck stop” consisting of a place where a truck drives in, it’s fuel cell is swapped with a charged one, and then it is sent on its way. And then the whole country will become one big assembly line. We’ll probably even raise taxes to pay for truck only roads.

About the only thing I haven’t figured out is if trucks will stay the same size or get smaller.

And what are those 3.5 million unemployed truck drivers and their families supposed to live on?

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Belafon  Nov 13, 2016 • 7:46:06am

re: #413 Ziggy_TARDIS

Looks like this is over. The Establishment and Progressive Wings seem to be uniting behind Ellison.

From a DNC member to Josh Marshall, On Ellison at the DNC:

I am a DNC Member from [REDACTED] and I will be voting on the next DNC Chair. I am responding to your recent post suggesting that Keith Ellison is a “done deal” as the next DNC Chair. I believe that this is a much more difficult choice than what you suggest.

In fact, when I ran for DNC, I earned the support of many Bernie supporters because I vowed to do what I can to ensure that our next DNC Chair did not have another full-time job. The DNC is too important to leave up to a part-timer, especially a sitting elected official who may have dozens of potential conflicts of interest.

I have spoken with a few other Clinton-supporting DNC Members around the country, and the general feeling is that the next Chair should not be a sitting elected official. Period. Full stop.

As background, some entire state DNC delegations, especially in the midwest, lost to Bernie supporters in the last DNC election. Virtually all of these new DNC Members were elected to support Bernie and other progressives at the DNC and, among other priorities, ensure that we had a new DNC Chair that was full-time.

Interestingly enough, it is the new Bernie-supporting DNC Members that may find themselves between a rock and a hard place. They are caught between supporting the Bernie-endorsed Keith Ellison and violating one of their major campaign pledges, or snubbing Bernie and voting for someone else for DNC Chair.

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Dr Lizardo  Nov 13, 2016 • 7:46:20am

USGS is saying that the NZ earthquake may be indicative of a subduction zone event if I’m reading this right; that certainly explains why people are saying the shaking seem to last a long time and “felt different” than previous quakes they’ve experienced.

Subduction zone events are nothing to sneeze at, that’s for damn sure.

The November 13, 2016 M 7.8 earthquake in North Canterbury, New Zealand, occurred as the result of shallow oblique-reverse faulting on or near the boundary between the Pacific and Australia plates in South Island, New Zealand. At the location of this earthquake, the Pacific plate moves to the west-southwest with respect to the Australia plate at a rate of approximately 40 mm/yr. The epicenter of the earthquake is about 30-45 km south-southeast of the main surface expression of the plate boundary in the region—the Hope Fault, part of the Marlborough Fault system that connects a subduction zone (the Hikurangi Trough) to the primary plate boundary in the South Island—the Alpine Fault. The plate boundary in the region of the earthquake is complex, involving a transition from subduction along the Hikurangi Trough to the east of the North Island, to transform faulting through the South Island. The shallow crustal region to the south of the Alpine and Hope faults is thought to involve mainly thin-skinned shortening and fold and thrust belt tectonics. The size, depth (~25 km) and faulting orientation of the November 13 event suggest a larger, subduction-related structure, though the subduction zone interface is not thought to extend this far to the south of the Alpine fault system. The complexity of the event, involving a main energy release delayed by about 40 s, combined with an early aftershock distribution extending about 150 km to the north-northeast of the mainshock, suggests the potential for triggered slip on the Pacific-Australia subduction zone interface.

earthquake.usgs.gov

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Amory Blaine  Nov 13, 2016 • 7:47:06am

re: #415 The Vicious Babushka

Trump steaks.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Nov 13, 2016 • 7:48:05am

re: #416 Belafon

Tweet was not included.

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Belafon  Nov 13, 2016 • 7:48:27am

re: #415 The Vicious Babushka

And what are those 3.5 million unemployed truck drivers and their families supposed to live on?

I lost my train of thought. The ultimate point was to bring up not only them, but people who’ve built their lives around truck drivers, such as truck stop owners. And fuel cells will reduces the need for oil workers.

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darthstar  Nov 13, 2016 • 7:50:30am

re: #414 Belafon

I was thinking about self driving trucks, and here’s another interesting tie in: Around the time trucks become self driving, fuel cell technology will probably get pretty efficient. So, not only will we no longer need the 3.5 million truck drivers, we’ll need even fewer oil workers.

I image a “truck stop” consisting of a place where a truck drives in, it’s fuel cell is swapped with a charged one, and then it is sent on its way. And then the whole country will become one big assembly line. We’ll probably even raise taxes to pay for truck only roads.

About the only thing I haven’t figured out is if trucks will stay the same size or get smaller.

Fuel cell swap could easily be automated. To reduce risk of damage to shipments, automated vehicle only lanes could be installed (no unpredictable human intervention)…in fact, we could just make Interstate 80 the self-driving super highway. Push people off to the side roads. Hell, why do people even exist? Oh…someone has to put this thing back together after a solar flare sends a large magnetic pulse that fries the whole system.

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Amory Blaine  Nov 13, 2016 • 7:50:51am

re: #414 Belafon

The self driving truck is at the very tippy top of the list. Cute pics of surprised grandma “behind the wheel” of a self driving car gives america the warm fuzzies. Reality is, business is going to do whatever it takes to get these millions of highly paid drivers off the payroll. Probably be like a shepherd situation with one or two technicians controlling dozens of headless trucks.

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Emptor scriptor Remorse  Nov 13, 2016 • 7:51:22am

re: #413 Ziggy_TARDIS

I would agree with Ellison.

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Anymouse  Nov 13, 2016 • 7:51:42am

re: #421 darthstar

Fuel cell swap could easily be automated. To reduce risk of damage to shipments, automated vehicle only lanes could be installed (no unpredictable human intervention)…in fact, we could just make Interstate 80 the self-driving super highway. Push people off to the side roads. Hell, why do people even exist? Oh…someone has to put this thing back together after a solar flare sends a large magnetic pulse that fries the whole system.

Hey, I need to use Interstate 80 to get to Cheyenne, unless I want to use a hundred miles of bad paved two lane roads and dirt roads.

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BigPapa  Nov 13, 2016 • 7:52:29am

re: #408 freetoken

We’re holding out for Alex Jones…

I’ve long thought of an AM Radio wingnut ran administration… now it’s here.

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gwangung  Nov 13, 2016 • 7:52:49am

re: #413 Ziggy_TARDIS

Looks like this is over. The Establishment and Progressive Wings seem to be uniting behind Ellison.

Grimace.

I like Ellison the person as DNC head. I just don’t like Representative Ellison as DNC head.

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ObserverArt  Nov 13, 2016 • 7:53:13am

Morning! Confusion reigns…still. The more I read here and elsewhere the more confused I get. This is going to go for some time I fear.

Couple of points that have been bugging me from so much of what I am reading.

Jobs - Did jobs suddenly go away in 1992/93 with NAFTA? Sure seems like it. However the Ohio city I grew up in started to lose jobs with factory closures in the mid to late 70s.

Similarly…did the fly over country/small town failure of vast parts of America happen in 2008 with the election of Barack Obama? Again, in Ohio which I always say is a smaller version of all of America in many ways, small towns all began to fail in those same 70s. The only small areas of Ohio that have thrived are ones that are within one hour drive time to Ohio 4 major metro areas of Columbus, Cincinnati, Cleveland and Toledo as they were saved by becoming bedroom communities to those metro areas.

Lastly…growth in new technologies that have kept some blue states blue is not regulated to the coastal areas of this country. The lists I see show cities from all over. But the key word is city. So, just like in Ohio, the major areas grow the small areas away fail.

Did people just wake up in 2015 and see what has been going over for 40 years??? Or did something keep them placated and in line until now when they have gotten angry with it all?

I am not getting all this. Seems to me the difference is just flat out anger and they needed to aim it at someone now. Trump stepped in and hit the sweet spot. We can list all the targets American anger is directed at…we talk about that daily. But what is up with this timing?

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Nov 13, 2016 • 7:53:21am

re: #420 Belafon

I lost my train of thought. The ultimate point was to bring up not only them, but people who’ve built their lives around truck drivers, such as truck stop owners. And fuel cells will reduces the need for oil workers.

So where does the hydrogen for fuel cells come from? Partial combustion of natural gas? How do the trucks carry it? Compressed, liquid, adsorbed in (really heavy) metal hydrides? I’m just not seeing it. Maybe when we have enough nuclear or solar capacity to electrolyze water…still awfully awkward to carry, though.

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Belafon  Nov 13, 2016 • 7:53:45am

re: #425 Anymouse

Hey, I need to use Interstate 80 to get to Cheyenne, unless I want to use a hundred miles of bad paved two lane roads and dirt roads.

Your car isn’t nearly as important as the next shipment.

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Teukka  Nov 13, 2016 • 7:54:00am

re: #414 Belafon

I was thinking about self driving trucks, and here’s another interesting tie in: Around the time trucks become self driving, fuel cell technology will probably get pretty efficient. So, not only will we no longer need the 3.5 million truck drivers, we’ll need even fewer oil workers.

I image a “truck stop” consisting of a place where a truck drives in, it’s fuel cell is swapped with a charged one, and then it is sent on its way. And then the whole country will become one big assembly line. We’ll probably even raise taxes to pay for truck only roads.

About the only thing I haven’t figured out is if trucks will stay the same size or get smaller.

Another concept is vehicles where the drive system is modular, you have an electric motor, an optional storage pack (batteries) and a generator (diesel, gas (not petrol)) with associated tank(s), where the latter is optional.

I think that for trucks, there will be a move towards diesel(+gas) electric or hybrid approaches.

As to the gas plus diesel fuel, it’s basically mixing gas into the air intake of the diesel (this has to be done safely and the engine block needs to be built to hack the increased stress tho). It still burns diesel, but only at a fraction of the pure diesel rate (it’s called pilot fuel in these specialty engines). But from what I recall when I last read about it, it’s much more efficient than gas in a petrol-type engine, approaching diesel efficiencies (which basically make gasoline efficiencies their b***h).

So, biodiesel for the pilot fuel and a renewable source of gas. Won’t be as clean, but it will be decent in terms of carbon footprint compared to conventional drives.

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Belafon  Nov 13, 2016 • 7:55:40am

re: #428 ObserverArt

People have trouble with cause and effect, and it goes in both directions. Not only do they think that two things happening one after another means the first caused the second, but they will think that only recent events explain what is happening to them. There are plenty of people who think that Obamacare is causing their yearly health insurance rate increases.

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Unshaken Defiance  Nov 13, 2016 • 7:55:51am

I feel like I’m getting severely played. The press and online newsy blogs got ratings drunk. They want to keep that buzz going. Right now any right wing rag or blog will say about anything to keep the traffic. And they are.

Slate and Huffpo have that majority of voters on their side but apparently can’t get enough clicks today either. Because floating unpopular names for powerful positions is todays cheap click bait play, and kinda demeaning to us all except where well sourced. Not a lot of that today.

Call me grumpy but I’m in no mood for those distractions. Got work to do figuring out how to force an upcoming Federal illegal immigration push to play by the rules in Los Angeles. In a city where the Feds got the weapons and surveillance to fight a major terror battle.

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scottslemmons  Nov 13, 2016 • 7:56:39am

You know who I’d like in charge of the DNC? Barack Obama.

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darthstar  Nov 13, 2016 • 7:57:13am

re: #425 Anymouse

Hey, I need to use Interstate 80 to get to Cheyenne, unless I want to use a hundred miles of bad paved two lane roads and dirt roads.

Here’s a great song for Cheyenne.

James McMurtry & the Heartless Bastards Lights of Cheyenne

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Belafon  Nov 13, 2016 • 7:57:52am

re: #434 scottslemmons

You know who I’d like in charge of the DNC? Barack Obama.

I thought about that, too. It’s not like he has another job, and he has the skills and connections for it.

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b.d.  Nov 13, 2016 • 8:00:18am

My bet is that Trump offers Sen. Manchin a cabinet spot. That way he will claim bipartisanship and he’ll get another Republican in the senate.

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Anymouse  Nov 13, 2016 • 8:00:41am

re: #430 Belafon

Your car isn’t nearly as important as the next shipment.

That reminds me of all the hype about self-driving cars.

Self-driving cars require maps of some sort that have the actual existing roads on them.

If you look at something like Google Maps or Mapquest, most of the dirt roads in my county are not shown. (My dirt village streets are.)

You have two choices I suppose for where the car would source the map: a) On-board storage, or b) wireless via the Internet.

B) doesn’t work here (no cell service).

As for the self-driving aspect, if the self-driving car doesn’t have our roads (and I am sure my county would not be the only one with the problem), how the heck would you get home?

If I drove my “I drive it” car to a place trying very hard to make self-driving cars a reality (California, say), would I be ticketed, fined, or caused to pay some sort of fee just because I have to drive my car because there is no chance in the next century anyone is going to upgrade our infrastructure (regardless of which party is in power)?

Just curious how this self-driving thing would work outside of major cities. And, I-80 across much of Nebraska has no cell service, including in this area.

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Anymouse  Nov 13, 2016 • 8:05:15am

re: #435 darthstar

Here’s a great song for Cheyenne.

[Embedded content]

Video

Thanks for that. Appropriate.

Church bell just rang across the street; I guess they won’t miss me since I have never been in the church since I moved here, except for one funeral and one time I ran off a robber with my (then still alive) dog and my shotgun.

(The minister thanked me later for that.)

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darthstar  Nov 13, 2016 • 8:10:14am

Leaderlessness. That’s an important word because, in addition to the people who are just using protests as cover so they can be petty vandals and not get caught, a lot of people are showing up because, hey, protest! They don’t even know why they’re angry.

That’s not to say the protests aren’t important. They are. And maybe someone will see the opportunity here to rise up and be a cult leader. But what we’re seeing right now is not effective protest. It could become so, but it’s mostly just people blowing off steam.

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Bass Reeves  Nov 13, 2016 • 8:10:40am

Hey, can someone explain to me the new talking point that Obama lost the popular vote in 2012, but it doesn’t matter because Trump won it in 2016?

I’m not talking about I’m just seeing it on the internet. Someone in my wife’s college course specifically said that Romney won the popular vote in 2012. It’s obviously false, but I’m seeing it pop up more and more this week as a casual aside.

Edit: I mean to say, people are giving specific vote counts for Trump being 500k votes ahead:

TRUMP 306, CLINTON 232. FINAL!!!!

TRUMP 62,972,226, Hillary Clinton 62,277,750 FINAL POPULAR VOTE TOTALS JUST IN.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Nov 13, 2016 • 8:11:15am

Shit! Now Leon Russell! Damnit!

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Dr Lizardo  Nov 13, 2016 • 8:12:06am

Looks like the Ring of Fire is a-poppin’.

A large earthquake with a magnitude of 6.2 has struck northwestern Argentina, but there are no immediate reports of damage or injuries.

The earthquake struck just after 8am local time and was centered about 16 miles (26km) north of the community of Chilecito in La Rioja province, near the border with Chile.

The quake had a depth of around 62 miles (100km).

independent.co.uk

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freetoken  Nov 13, 2016 • 8:12:30am

re: #441 Bass Reeves

Haven’t seen it. Clearly false.

Usually those types believe that Obama stole the election via fraud somehow, ACORN!, and so forth.

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Bass Reeves  Nov 13, 2016 • 8:13:26am

re: #444 freetoken

I edited the 441 to reflect the last numbers for Trump, like I said someone actually said it out loud in my wife’s class.

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darthstar  Nov 13, 2016 • 8:14:17am

re: #438 Anymouse

Self-driving cars require maps of some sort that have the actual existing roads on them.

If you look at something like Google Maps or Mapquest, most of the dirt roads in my county are not shown. (My dirt village streets are.)

What, you can’t tell a self-driving car to turn left after the third mailbox and go past the field where the sheep barn used to be before the fire and around the back of Johnson’s old place and straight for a couple of miles…can’t miss it?

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Dr Lizardo  Nov 13, 2016 • 8:14:33am

re: #442 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Shit! Now Leon Russell! Damnit!

2016 can go eat a bag of dicks.

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Unshaken Defiance  Nov 13, 2016 • 8:14:57am

California is about to have a states rights fight. Will we as a state we allowed to be as kind or as tough as we wish on immigration over our border with Mexico and through our airports. This is why over the years I have made some posts about preserving those rights at some level, preferably a high level and compliant with equal rights, due process etc. At the time the issue was states and the commerce clause.

Next year calls for that states rights fight. Californias right to oppose a Federal policy we don’t want or like. Kamala Harris and Gov Brown are on our side. Every likely contender for the Governors office is on our side.

The official fight starts with the law, policy and regulations.

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darthstar  Nov 13, 2016 • 8:16:34am

re: #442 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Shit! Now Leon Russell! Damnit!

Yeah…that one hurts and I’m still trying to get through the Leonard Cohen material.

This is a great song by Leon Russell.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 13, 2016 • 8:19:22am

re: #441 Bass Reeves

Hey, can someone explain to me the new talking point that Obama lost the popular vote in 2012, but it doesn’t matter because Trump won it in 2016?

I’m not talking about I’m just seeing it on the internet. Someone in my wife’s college course specifically said that Romney won the popular vote in 2012. It’s obviously false, but I’m seeing it pop up more and more this week as a casual aside.

My only guess is one of the wingnut talking head heads claimed that and it’s spreading.

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Anymouse  Nov 13, 2016 • 8:19:48am

re: #435 darthstar

Here’s a great song for Cheyenne.

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Here’s another one, “Old Buddy Goodnight,” or “The Wind Blows Cold in Wyoming” by U. Utah Phillips:

Old Buddy Goodnight Utah Phillips with Lyrics

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retired cynic  Nov 13, 2016 • 8:20:33am

re: #424 Nyet

Oh, VOMIT!

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HappyWarrior  Nov 13, 2016 • 8:20:49am

re: #442 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Shit! Now Leon Russell! Damnit!

He has a beautiful song called The Union with Elton John and Neil Young.

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Bass Reeves  Nov 13, 2016 • 8:22:06am

70news.wordpress.com

Seems to be the originator, I left the whole link so you could see the pit from which the slime originates. Seriously, it’s a wordpress site. That the guy pulled the numbers from his ass Twitter research ass. FML I hate these people.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 13, 2016 • 8:22:25am

re: #437 b.d.

My bet is that Trump offers Sen. Manchin a cabinet spot. That way he will claim bipartisanship and he’ll get another Republican in the senate.

Wouldn’t surprise me or tries to get hi him switch parties.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Nov 13, 2016 • 8:22:55am
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Belafon  Nov 13, 2016 • 8:23:16am

re: #441 Bass Reeves

Hey, can someone explain to me the new talking point that Obama lost the popular vote in 2012, but it doesn’t matter because Trump won it in 2016?

I’m not talking about I’m just seeing it on the internet. Someone in my wife’s college course specifically said that Romney won the popular vote in 2012. It’s obviously false, but I’m seeing it pop up more and more this week as a casual aside.

Edit: I mean to say, people are giving specific vote counts for Trump being 500k votes ahead:

TRUMP 306, CLINTON 232. FINAL!!!!

TRUMP 62,972,226, Hillary Clinton 62,277,750 FINAL POPULAR VOTE TOTALS JUST IN.

False on both accounts. Obama won over 50% of the popular vote in both elections, so, I’m not sure how he lost the popular vote.

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freetoken  Nov 13, 2016 • 8:24:20am

re: #448 Unshaken Defiance

Immigration is a federal issue and the California delegation can do little about it as the Democrats are now a minority in both chambers of Congress.

The election appears to tell us that middle America doesn’t want any more brown people. Little us Californians can do about that.

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Belafon  Nov 13, 2016 • 8:24:47am

re: #455 HappyWarrior

Wouldn’t surprise me or tries to get hi him switch parties.

Manchin will be the Democrat that will make “Democrats stay together” hard.

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Anymouse  Nov 13, 2016 • 8:26:37am

re: #454 Bass Reeves

70news.wordpress.com

Seems to be the originator, I left the whole link so you could see the pit from which the slime originates. Seriously, it’s a wordpress site. That the guy pulled the numbers from his ass Twitter research ass. FML I hate these people.

We live in a post-factual world, because facts have a liberal bias.

There is a reason conservatives have to make up their own “facts.” Reality does not support their narrative.

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Anymouse  Nov 13, 2016 • 8:28:13am

re: #448 Unshaken Defiance

California is about to have a states rights fight. Will we as a state we allowed to be as kind or as tough as we wish on immigration over our border with Mexico and through our airports. This is why over the years I have made some posts about preserving those rights at some level, preferably a high level and compliant with equal rights, due process etc. At the time the issue was states and the commerce clause.

Next year calls for that states rights fight. Californias right to oppose a Federal policy we don’t want or like. Kamala Harris and Gov Brown are on our side. Every likely contender for the Governors office is on our side.

The official fight starts with the law, policy and regulations.

States’ rights are only for conservative run states. Didn’t you read the Constitution? /s

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Teukka  Nov 13, 2016 • 8:28:30am
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HappyWarrior  Nov 13, 2016 • 8:28:34am

re: #456 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

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No kidding.

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scottslemmons  Nov 13, 2016 • 8:28:37am

re: #459 Belafon

Manchin will be the Democrat that will make “Democrats stay together” hard.

It’s already going to be hard. I hear so many people screaming that the only way to save the Democratic Party is to bar any Clinton supporters — purity ponies only.

We’re gonna be like Labour in the UK — nothing but fighting with each other while the lunatics burn shit down.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Nov 13, 2016 • 8:29:28am

re: #458 freetoken

I’m not so sure. To me, it looks more like Democrats did not turn out in a number of states.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 13, 2016 • 8:29:37am

re: #464 scottslemmons

It’s already going to be hard. I hear so many people screaming that the only way to save the Democratic Party is to bar any Clinton supporters — purity ponies only.

We’re gonna be like Labour in the UK — nothing but fighting with each other while the lunatics burn shit down.

Oh fuck the purity bullshit.

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Bass Reeves  Nov 13, 2016 • 8:33:59am

re: #448 Unshaken Defiance

California is about to have a states rights fight. Will we as a state we allowed to be as kind or as tough as we wish on immigration over our border with Mexico and through our airports. This is why over the years I have made some posts about preserving those rights at some level, preferably a high level and compliant with equal rights, due process etc. At the time the issue was states and the commerce clause.

Next year calls for that states rights fight. Californias right to oppose a Federal policy we don’t want or like. Kamala Harris and Gov Brown are on our side. Every likely contender for the Governors office is on our side.

The official fight starts with the law, policy and regulations.

Yeah, but civil rights at the state level has historically been about reducing rights rather than enhancing them (see NC). I mean, I get what you’re saying, but the argument against Arizona was exactly on this same topic, they just went in the opposite direction than California. In the long term, I can’t see allowing individual states to determine who gets civil rights to be healthy. But then I guess that depends on how long Republicans maintain control over the levers of disenfranchisement.

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Anymouse  Nov 13, 2016 • 8:34:23am

Comment over at Wonkette on folk who voted for Mr. Trump because of “his policies” (whatever the hell those are):

Rachel Book Harlot

Exactly. Saying you’re not racist and just voted for Trump because of other policies is like saying you buy Playboy for the articles.

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Amory Blaine  Nov 13, 2016 • 8:35:25am

re: #446 darthstar

That’s funny, but it is a legal means of property description.

Metes and bounds

A typical description for a small parcel of land would be: “beginning with a corner at the intersection of two stone walls near an apple tree on the north side of Muddy Creek road one mile above the junction of Muddy and Indian Creeks, north for 150 rods to the end of the stone wall bordering the road, then northwest along a line to a large standing rock on the corner of the property now or formerly belonging to John Smith, thence west 150 rods to the corner of a barn near a large oak tree, thence south to Muddy Creek road, thence down the side of the creek road to the starting point.”

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freetoken  Nov 13, 2016 • 8:35:30am

I missed this, but Wednesday the American Physical Society put out a release that was quickly retracted, congratulating Trump:

Make America Retract Again: Physics group yanks release that quoted Trump, angered scientists

Apparently it was the normalization of the MAGA slogan that set people off:

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Dr Lizardo  Nov 13, 2016 • 8:39:03am

Looks like dawn is breaking in NZ, so I suppose soon we’re gonna being seeing the extent of the damage due to the earthquakes.

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Bass Reeves  Nov 13, 2016 • 8:39:35am

re: #465 Ziggy_TARDIS

This still seems false. It looks more like targeted voter disenfranchisement was successful, as well as recentering white Straight Christians more than anything else. There are more white people in this country than everyone else combined, right? And that’s who won this election.

The turning on ourselves for running a good campaign because we lost is probably going to contribute more to the irrelevancy of the Democratic party than anything else. Bernie Sanders and Jill Stein are definitely agents of negative change for the Party (not progressivism or whatever, but the DNC). But we lost this election because there are just more shitty people in this country than not.

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darthstar  Nov 13, 2016 • 8:39:43am

re: #469 Amory Blaine

That’s funny, but it is a legal means of property description.

Metes and bounds

150 rods is about a a half mile. 5.5 yards to the rod. Nice sized piece of property you’ve got there.

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Teukka  Nov 13, 2016 • 8:40:44am

JUST IN:
Apparently, tRump will deport 3 mn people as soon as he is sworn in:
dn.se
More to come according to article.

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freetoken  Nov 13, 2016 • 8:42:23am

re: #474 Teukka

Numbers have been kicked around for a while. The question is whether Trump will go after the DACA (i.e., “dreamers”) first or not.

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Anymouse  Nov 13, 2016 • 8:43:25am

re: #474 Teukka

JUST IN:
Apparently, tRump will deport 3 mn people as soon as he is sworn in:
dn.se
More to come according to article.

Well, since Rep. Steve King (R-IA) will be emboldened to pass his version of the Nuremberg Laws, I guess I better take to my cyclone cellar for the next four years… .

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freetoken  Nov 13, 2016 • 8:43:42am

Trump taped an interview for 60 minutes. That must be from where that Swedish headline gets its info.

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freetoken  Nov 13, 2016 • 8:45:06am

Supposedly in that interview Trump also promises to moderate his outburst on twitter.

But we see this morning that tweet of anger at NYT.

So Trump is as mercurial as ever.

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Dr. Matt  Nov 13, 2016 • 8:50:02am
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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 13, 2016 • 8:52:55am

re: #217 Donkey With No Name

I’ve encountered a couple of Trump-sympathetic, or at least Trump-curious, immigrants who keep saying “but he only wants to do something about illegal immigration!”. I so want to throttle them while shouting “you think you’re a good immigrant, and that will protect you?” (Also note these are H1B-types who seem to lean libertarian: sorry, the “illegal scum” are feeding us, which is at least as vital as programming cheaply.)

I am a legal immigrant myself. I have the advantage of being white but I’d be lying if I said I wasn’t a bit worried about this.

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Amory Blaine  Nov 13, 2016 • 8:52:55am

Is there any analysis of how many millions of votes could go towards the popular vote while still losing the electoral vote?

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freetoken  Nov 13, 2016 • 8:54:15am

re: #481 Amory Blaine

The SoS here doesn’t give a realtime count of what is left. I don’t know how soon it will be before all the ballots are counted.

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freetoken  Nov 13, 2016 • 8:54:34am

It may take until the December deadline.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 13, 2016 • 8:55:07am

re: #479 Dr. Matt

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Fuck off Cenk.

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Amory Blaine  Nov 13, 2016 • 8:55:27am

I mean for example, is it “possible” for one candidate to get 10 million more votes and still lose the electoral vote? 15 million? 20 million?

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Dr. Matt  Nov 13, 2016 • 8:55:42am

re: #484 HappyWarrior

Fuck off Cenk.

And Ed Schultz

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Decatur Deb  Nov 13, 2016 • 8:55:51am

re: #415 The Vicious Babushka

And what are those 3.5 million unemployed truck drivers and their families supposed to live on?

The lettuce-harvesting jobs left by the disappeared Mexicans.

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mmmirele  Nov 13, 2016 • 8:56:23am

Stopped by the House of Mark Driscoll (aka “The Trinity Church”) to do a first service car count. There were 109 cars in the lot. The usual cop was not on the scene, so it was probably a very good thing that I had decided not to picket. However, I did notice that the losers now have a speaker system out on the front steps to drown me out. I walked by ostentatiously filming on my GoPro and taking pictures with my phone, and verbally let the church security leader (o yes, they have volunteer security in addition to paying for a cop) I thought they were a bunch of losers.

Yeah, they’re afraid of a fat, middle-aged woman

Remember, these are the people who voted for Trump. In some ways, they’re not worthy of my time, because they will listen to a liar like Driscoll and vote for a liar like Trump. But if I can keep the level of paranoia ramped up by just showing up whenever I feel like it, that’s a win.

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freetoken  Nov 13, 2016 • 8:56:38am

Running contra to the alleged Trump statement on 60 Minutes:

Ryan says he and Trump ‘not planning’ mass deportations

[…]

On CNN’s “State of the Union,” host Jake Tapper played a clip of Trump saying during the campaign that “we’re going to have a mass deportation force … they’re going back where they came.” Tapper juxtaposed that with a clip of Ryan telling college students in April that “we have to come up with a solution that doesn’t include mass deportations, that involves getting people to earn a legal status while we fix the rest of illegal immigration.”

Asked for his response, Ryan said on the show, “We should put people’s minds at ease, that is not what our focus is. We’re focused on securing the border.” The interview grew a bit testy when Ryan was pressed on whether Congress could pursue a mass deportation initiative in a second or third year of Trump’s term.

“We’re not focused on, we are not planning on erecting a deportation force,” Ryan said, adding: “Donald Trump’s not planning on that.”

[…]

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Decatur Deb  Nov 13, 2016 • 8:57:52am

re: #472 Bass Reeves

This still seems false. It looks more like targeted voter disenfranchisement was successful, as well as recentering white Straight Christians more than anything else. There are more white people in this country than everyone else combined, right? And that’s who won this election.

The turning on ourselves for running a good campaign because we lost is probably going to contribute more to the irrelevancy of the Democratic party than anything else. Bernie Sanders and Jill Stein are definitely agents of negative change for the Party (not progressivism or whatever, but the DNC). But we lost this election because there are just more shitty people in this country than not.

Only if you define those who could vote, and didn’t as “shitty”…checking…OK, that’s a good working definition for now.

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Amory Blaine  Nov 13, 2016 • 8:57:58am
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HappyWarrior  Nov 13, 2016 • 8:58:00am

re: #486 Dr. Matt

And Ed Schultz

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Yep.

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ObserverArt  Nov 13, 2016 • 8:58:10am

re: #374 Ziggy_TARDIS

Democrats need to KISS (Keep it simple, silly).

Here’s a message we can promote: We will bring new jobs to you.

Zigg…love that you are trying to see a way forward. But, I have to ask, is that a promise that can be said honestly?

I’m not trying to start a big disagreement, but what type of jobs can anyone promise in this political climate. This may be the downfall of Trump in 2 years. Big promises are real nice until you can’t back them up.

And this may also be a problem that Hillary faced (as well as a Democratic issue overall). Dems tend not to promise the world and want to be realistic. It cost us this race most likely. It could be something that brings us a victory next time.

This all fits into my new world of political confusion.

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Teukka  Nov 13, 2016 • 8:58:37am

re: #489 freetoken

Running contra to the alleged Trump statement on 60 Minutes:

Ryan says he and Trump ‘not planning’ mass deportations

Is Ryan believable?

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Dr. Matt  Nov 13, 2016 • 8:58:47am
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Anymouse  Nov 13, 2016 • 8:59:02am

re: #480 Eclectic Cyborg

I am a legal immigrant myself. I have the advantage of being white but I’d be lying if I said I wasn’t a bit worried about this.

Well, you wanna follow me in a caravan to Canada? I’ll pitch in for poutine. /s

Saskatchewan is nice this time of year, and the border agents at the Regway station in Montana are familiar with me, my wife, and our Smart car with the strange registration number (“87”).

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freetoken  Nov 13, 2016 • 9:00:35am

re: #494 Teukka

Is Ryan believable?

Trump is an unstable. There will be daily contradictory messages.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 13, 2016 • 9:01:11am

wondering if he’s making them all sign NDAs, too….

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HappyWarrior  Nov 13, 2016 • 9:01:23am

re: #495 Dr. Matt

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We warned them but they wanted a “straight talker” aka a man who cries about every single criticism of him.

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Anymouse  Nov 13, 2016 • 9:02:31am

re: #493 ObserverArt

Zigg…love that you are trying to see a way forward. But, I have to ask, is that a promise that can be said honestly?

I’m not trying to start a big disagreement, but what type of jobs can anyone promise in this political climate. This may be the downfall of Trump in 2 years. Big promises are real nice until you can’t back them up.

And this may also be a problem that Hillary faced (as well as a Democratic issue overall). Dems tend not to promise the world and want to be realistic. It cost us this race most likely. It could be something that brings us a victory next time.

This all fits into my new world of political confusion.

Remember, it’s Democrats that promise everyone “free stuff.” /s

Perhaps a campaign strategy going into 2018 might be something along the lines of “where is all the stuff the GOP promised you? Let’s work together to make happen what they can’t deliver.”

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ObserverArt  Nov 13, 2016 • 9:03:06am

re: #393 freetoken

I suspect that Fox News executives probably wanted Clinton to win, because it would have been good for their business model. They desperately need Clinton/Obama stories to keep their most rabid viewers glued to the channel.

Maybe they will have plenty to cover in a year when those same people start seeing the threats to their retirements. Now that will be interesting in a pathetic way.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Nov 13, 2016 • 9:03:42am

re: #483 freetoken

It may take until the December deadline.

WTH is with California that it takes them so long to count votes? I mailed my ballot, KCE would have gotten it the next day, the day after that I checked online:

Your ballot has been received, the signature has been verified, and it will be counted. Thanks for voting!

Then on election night they had the total within hours. King County handles the second most ballots in the country after Los Angeles County. It’s like California doesn’t realize there’s such a thing as mail-in ballots till election day.

It would be nice to have that final total with HRC 2 or 3 million votes ahead right away to wave in people’s faces—now the election will be ancient history before we get it.

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Decatur Deb  Nov 13, 2016 • 9:03:54am

re: #491 Amory Blaine

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Video

We can probably still find enough of those truckers.

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jamesfirecat  Nov 13, 2016 • 9:06:40am

Well, I now have the problem in Blood Bowl that after one of my Chaos Warririors has managed to clawpomb his way to legendary status with nothing but tackle, clawpomb, and block (yes I’m such a noob with chaos that I’m not building killer goats, I’ll do it with my next time), he proceeds to boxcars his level up roll, so I guess I gotta make him strength five and use him as more of a roadblock piece, only take advantage of the claw mighty blow aspect of it.

Oh what else is going on?

Oh yeah, America got pulled into the Mists and we’re now a domain in Ravenloft, and as such will be ruled over by a someone who will be given everything he wants, except for that which he most truly desires….

We’ve seen how being president ages even young healthy people like Obama.

Presidents don’t get to have time to fly around the country giving speeches before cheering crowds just because, presidents don’t get to write the laws, only decide what to pass and what to veto, presidents get to experience the entire country blaming them every time they can’t live up to their promises or somebody stubs his toe…

Presidents have to actually f**king work.

Enjoy Donald… we’re all going to suffer, and that includes you.

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Belafon  Nov 13, 2016 • 9:07:00am

re: #485 Amory Blaine

I mean for example, is it “possible” for one candidate to get 10 million more votes and still lose the electoral vote? 15 million? 20 million?

Collect the states with the smallest population that would put a person over 270 EVs, and have the candidate win each of those states by just one vote. Then have the candidate not get a single vote in any of the other states. That’s how lopsided the vote could theoretically end up.

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Anymouse  Nov 13, 2016 • 9:07:17am

re: #502 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

WTH is with California that it takes them so long to count votes? I mailed my ballot, KCE would have gotten it the next day, the day after that I checked online:

Then on election night they had the total within hours. King County handles the second most ballots in the country after Los Angeles County. It’s like California doesn’t realize there’s such a thing as mail-in ballots till election day.

It would be nice to have that final total with HRC 2 or 3 million votes ahead right away to wave in people’s faces—now the election will be ancient history before we get it.

Regardless of the state, I would prefer “accurate” to “quick.”

It wasn’t too long ago that “quick” didn’t exist. My very first ballot was a “mark X in the box” paper that had to be hand counted (Michigan). Kids these days, expecting instant gratification, iPhones and twerking, get off my lawn… .

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 13, 2016 • 9:07:47am

so sad…

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 13, 2016 • 9:08:57am
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HappyWarrior  Nov 13, 2016 • 9:09:25am

re: #507 Backwoods_Sleuth

so sad…

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Oh Rudy means that the Trumpkin may actually have to do what the rest of us do and actually find work based on our merits and not our Daddy’s name and connections? Cry me a fucking river Rudy.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 13, 2016 • 9:09:55am

re: #496 Anymouse

Well if I ever did go back it would be to Western Canada but I have decided unless they kick my ass out I’m here for the long haul.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 13, 2016 • 9:10:29am

re: #508 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Pence is basically DIck Cheney without the accidental decency on same sex marriage.

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Belafon  Nov 13, 2016 • 9:10:31am

re: #508 Backwoods_Sleuth

Edit: I don’t want to normalize Trump through fear of Pence.

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Decatur Deb  Nov 13, 2016 • 9:10:44am

re: #479 Dr. Matt

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Cenk was born in Istanbul.

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jamesfirecat  Nov 13, 2016 • 9:11:02am

re: #511 HappyWarrior

Pence is basically DIck Cheney without the accidental decency on same sex marriage.

He’s also Dick Cheney without the actual intelligence.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 13, 2016 • 9:12:19am

re: #514 jamesfirecat

He’s also Dick Cheney without the actual intelligence.

That’s true too.

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Shiplord Kirel  Nov 13, 2016 • 9:13:10am

Now, Leon Russell too.
Southern-rock legend Leon Russell dies at 74

The world I knew is disappearing before my eyes. I am becoming a stranger in a strange land.

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ObserverArt  Nov 13, 2016 • 9:13:10am

re: #414 Belafon

I was thinking about self driving trucks, and here’s another interesting tie in: Around the time trucks become self driving, fuel cell technology will probably get pretty efficient. So, not only will we no longer need the 3.5 million truck drivers, we’ll need even fewer oil workers.

I image a “truck stop” consisting of a place where a truck drives in, it’s fuel cell is swapped with a charged one, and then it is sent on its way. And then the whole country will become one big assembly line. We’ll probably even raise taxes to pay for truck only roads.

About the only thing I haven’t figured out is if trucks will stay the same size or get smaller.

And just think what that will do to the jobs of truck drivers who probably were a large faction of Trump voters.

This is why people need to figure out that old job are not coming back. A lot of current jobs may be going away too.

Do we stop technology for jobs, and if another country goes with tech America will really slow growth?

Messy times. The world is advancing and you can’t hold that back especially when the people with the big bucks can install tech that takes away all the hassles that come with jobs and make even more money.

Aye aye aye!!!

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Belafon  Nov 13, 2016 • 9:14:10am

re: #517 ObserverArt

And just think what that will do to the jobs of truck drivers who probably were a large faction of Trump voters.

This is why people need to figure out that old job are not coming back. A lot of current jobs may be going away too.

Do we stop technology for jobs, and if another country goes with tech America will really slow growth?

Messy times. The world is advancing and you can’t hold that back especially when the people with the big bucks can install tech that takes away all the hassles that come with jobs and make even more money.

Aye aye aye!!!

Now, you have 12 seconds to explain it.

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jaunte  Nov 13, 2016 • 9:14:38am

re: #507 Backwoods_Sleuth

That shot of Rudy looks like a villain out of an older Batman movie.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 13, 2016 • 9:14:51am

re: #507 Backwoods_Sleuth

so sad…

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Oh, for fuck’s sake. When I was in college, my Dad got me a job every summer. After I graduated, I had to get my own damn job. Cry me a fucking river, Rudy.

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Dr Lizardo  Nov 13, 2016 • 9:15:59am

re: #494 Teukka

Is Ryan believable?

Well if I somehow ran into Paul Ryan - and he’s instantly recognizable, at least to me - and he said, “Hi, I’m Paul Ryan”, I’d believe him. On the other hand, if I ran into Donald Trump, and he said, “Hi, I’m Donald Trump” I’d ask to see his ID because I don’t believe a single fucking thing that man says.

So there’s that.

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jaunte  Nov 13, 2016 • 9:16:02am

Actually having to find a job would put the Trump kids in touch with most other Americans.

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ObserverArt  Nov 13, 2016 • 9:16:39am

re: #425 Anymouse

Hey, I need to use Interstate 80 to get to Cheyenne, unless I want to use a hundred miles of bad paved two lane roads and dirt roads.

I think we’ve been over this ground. You don’t count!

I don’t count.

We all don’t count.

What ends a Monopoly game?

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Nov 13, 2016 • 9:17:01am

re: #520 Blind Frog Belly White

Oh, for fuck’s sake. When I was in college, my Dad got me a job every summer. After I graduated, I had to get my own damn job. Cry me a fucking river, Rudy.

At least he seems to realize that the TrumpSpawn running TrumpCorp does not constitute a “blind trust”.

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Decatur Deb  Nov 13, 2016 • 9:17:35am

re: #516 Shiplord Kirel

Now, Leon Russell too.
Southern-rock legend Leon Russell dies at 74

The world I knew is disappearing before my eyes. I am becoming a stranger in a strange land.

Making America Lawrence Welk Again.

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jaunte  Nov 13, 2016 • 9:17:36am

Kellyanne Conway showing her fascist cards.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 13, 2016 • 9:19:19am

*blink*

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HappyWarrior  Nov 13, 2016 • 9:19:38am

re: #526 jaunte

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Kellyanne Conway showing her fascist cards.

Kellyanne is a principle-less hack.

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Anymouse  Nov 13, 2016 • 9:19:38am

re: #508 Backwoods_Sleuth

On Cotton Mather, at least witch burning is an ethos, man. /s

On an interesting note: Cotton Mather is not remembered for two other things besides witch trials that were actually good for Massachusetts Bay:

a) A smallpox outbreak occurred in Boston (apparently brought by trade ships). Cotton Mather was very interested in scientific learning from other nations, and hit the books to try to stop the potential plague in Massachusetts. He came across writings from Islamic scholars in the Ottoman Empire that spoke of the effectiveness of inoculation with ground-up smallpox scabs via inhalation. As governor, he imposed a mandatory inoculation programme throughout Massachusetts, backed by physicians but opposed by the Congregational Church (the Puritans, of which he was a member). He basically told the Puritans to piss off, and his mandatory inoculation programme coupled with quarantine of ships in Boston Harbour is thought to have nipped the smallpox outbreak to a small number of people. (The Congregational Church was of the opinion that the outbreak was the work of God and should not be impeded.)

He also did a study of corn, to determine why some corn had blue kernels and most were yellow. He did experiments with corn plots and determined that the blue kernel trait was passed on as a recessive gene (though genes were not known yet), and only occurred with yellow corn when the blue kernel corn was upwind (the blue kernels were passed on by breeding, not occurring out of the blue as it were). His work laid the groundwork for genetic study.

He was still a dick.

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Targetpractice  Nov 13, 2016 • 9:19:54am

re: #526 jaunte

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Kellyanne Conway showing her fascist cards.

Something I’m sure we can look forward to for the next four years: The White House responding to criticisms or insults with threats of legal action. Can anyone remember President Obama ever threatening to sue his critics? I sure as fuck can’t.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 13, 2016 • 9:20:12am

re: #527 Backwoods_Sleuth

*blink*

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Words of a true douchebag who doesn’t care about his wife and daughters at all.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Nov 13, 2016 • 9:20:21am

re: #519 jaunte

That shot of Rudy looks like a villain out of an older Batman movie.

He always looked like a chucklehead, but lately it seems like he’s just gone totally out of his fucking mind.

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Decatur Deb  Nov 13, 2016 • 9:20:43am

re: #527 Backwoods_Sleuth

*blink*

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Jan 20, 2017 Inauguration Day PCOD.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 13, 2016 • 9:20:50am

re: #530 Targetpractice

Something I’m sure we can look forward to for the next four years: The White House responding to criticisms or insults with threats of legal action. Can anyone remember President Obama ever threatening to sue his critics? I sure as fuck can’t.

No, I can’t. Trump is everything Obama’s detractors say he is. Well not Kenyan I guess.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 13, 2016 • 9:20:58am
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Timothy Watson  Nov 13, 2016 • 9:21:14am

re: #479 Dr. Matt

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What a fucking piece of shit.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 13, 2016 • 9:21:30am

re: #532 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

He always looked like a chucklehead, but lately it seems like he’s just gone totally out of his fucking mind.

And he’s likely to be AG or SOS in a Trump administration, isn’t the world great?

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jaunte  Nov 13, 2016 • 9:21:50am
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Belafon  Nov 13, 2016 • 9:21:57am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 13, 2016 • 9:22:24am

re: #538 jaunte

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Anymouse  Nov 13, 2016 • 9:22:45am

re: #518 Belafon

Now, you have 12 seconds to explain it.

It has to fit on a bumper sticker.

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jaunte  Nov 13, 2016 • 9:23:43am

“I trust Donald’s judgment.”

Tattoo that on every Republican.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 13, 2016 • 9:24:15am

re: #538 jaunte

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Of course not, bros like Ryan aren’t threatened by Trump so why should Mr. I lied about marathon times worry. This is showing me that Ryan’s only real worry about Trump was his elect-ability. Now that Trump has proven he’s won, Ryan and a lot of the Trump skeptics within the GOP don’t have that to worry about.

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ObserverArt  Nov 13, 2016 • 9:24:29am

re: #429 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

So where does the hydrogen for fuel cells come from? Partial combustion of natural gas? How do the trucks carry it? Compressed, liquid, adsorbed in (really heavy) metal hydrides? I’m just not seeing it. Maybe when we have enough nuclear or solar capacity to electrolyze water…still awfully awkward to carry, though.

Ohio State University’s Center for Automotive Research has worked on some kind of a technology that created hydrogen between layers of a this material (unknown due to patents and secrets!) that when the material is charged hydrogen gases are produced and then immediately used in a small engine. Somewhat self sustaining too as part of the engine’s power is used to generate electricity to drive the process.

Note: This info is very generalized by me because I have a very basic understanding. I might need to see if I can find out more and do a page. I used to have better connections when I was involved in racing. OSU operates land speed record cars to test these technologies and it is always changing.

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Targetpractice  Nov 13, 2016 • 9:24:44am

re: #527 Backwoods_Sleuth

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It’s so not worth talking about, the GOP waged a huge battle several years ago, including convening hearings where they sat several clergymen before the nation to ramble on about how wrong it was to expect religious institutions to allow insurance polices that covered birth control for their female employees who are not of the faith, publicly destroyed a young college student for daring to give testimony about how her friend needed those pills due to a real medical condition, and then waged a legislative battle to strip any such requirements from the ACA.

But hey, that happened years ago, so most Americans have already forgotten about it. And no, that’s not sarcasm, that’s a factual observation. I doubt if you asked most people on the street who Sandra Fluke was they’d be able to tell you.

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Anymouse  Nov 13, 2016 • 9:24:45am

re: #523 ObserverArt

I think we’ve been over this ground. You don’t count!

I don’t count.

We all don’t count.

What ends a Monopoly game?

Flipping the board over, scattering the pieces and money, and declaring “Monopoly is a dumb game?” /s

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HappyWarrior  Nov 13, 2016 • 9:25:01am

re: #540 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Shouldn’t you know meet the guy before you say you have no concerns.

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Timothy Watson  Nov 13, 2016 • 9:25:31am

re: #527 Backwoods_Sleuth

Paul Ryan: Access to birth control for women is ‘nitty-gritty detail’ not worth talking about

“We’re not going to talk about it, we’re just going to sneak it a bill with no fanfare.”

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Nov 13, 2016 • 9:25:31am

re: #541 Anymouse

It has to fit on a bumper sticker.

“THE OLD JOBS ARE GONE FOR GOOD—WE’LL TRAIN YOU FOR NEW ONES”

Too long?

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Targetpractice  Nov 13, 2016 • 9:26:44am

re: #538 jaunte

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Well hey, WaPo published an editorial from a Muslim single-mother who says she voted for Trump and isn’t concerned, so that should be all we need to know that he’s not a threat to anyone.

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Shiplord Kirel  Nov 13, 2016 • 9:27:36am

No jobs for the Trump family?
The 4 adult Trump children are all eligible to join the armed forces.

Sign here, please.

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Amory Blaine  Nov 13, 2016 • 9:27:37am

Oh SMOD, where art thou?

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jaunte  Nov 13, 2016 • 9:27:39am

re: #550 Targetpractice

I didn’t see that. Do you recall her rationale?

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Nov 13, 2016 • 9:27:50am

re: #523 ObserverArt

I think we’ve been over this ground. You don’t count!

I don’t count.

We all don’t count.

What ends a Monopoly game?

Boredom. I’ve never seen a game completed.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Nov 13, 2016 • 9:27:54am

re: #493 ObserverArt

For one, you might be able to move Green Energy Jobs into the area. In addition, especially in the Coal-Mining areas, the environment has been wrecked, and you could have work done towards restoration and remediation, which could take a long time.

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Decatur Deb  Nov 13, 2016 • 9:28:35am

re: #549 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

“THE OLD JOBS ARE GONE FOR GOOD—WE’LL TRAIN YOU FOR NEW ONES”

Too long?

“DROP DEAD, SCAB 2018”

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HappyWarrior  Nov 13, 2016 • 9:28:55am

re: #555 Ziggy_TARDIS

For one, you might be able to move Green Energy Jobs into the area. In addition, especially in the Coal-Mining areas, the environment has been wrecked, and you could have work done towards restoration and remediation, which could take a long time.

I like that idea a lot. It would improve both the economy and environment in those places.

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jaunte  Nov 13, 2016 • 9:29:07am

The Trump™ kids could be employed collecting royalties from anyone who uses the name Trump™ in any written or broadcast communication.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Nov 13, 2016 • 9:29:10am

re: #500 Anymouse

I think there is work to be done.

Also, the US is so huge, we will constantly be doing infrastructure work. Hell, to get high speed internet into rural areas will require large amounts of work.

It can happen.

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Amory Blaine  Nov 13, 2016 • 9:29:35am

re: #556 Decatur Deb

“Unemployed? FOAD”

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Targetpractice  Nov 13, 2016 • 9:29:47am

re: #553 jaunte

I didn’t see that. Do you recall her rationale?

Basically same rationale as that story about Hitler from 1922: (paraphrased) “It’s all talk, he doesn’t really believe any of it, so I have no reason to worry about it.”

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Decatur Deb  Nov 13, 2016 • 9:29:48am

re: #551 Shiplord Kirel

No jobs for the Trump family?
The 4 adult Trump children are all eligible to join the armed forces.

Sign here, please.

Bone spurs are a congenital condition.

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jaunte  Nov 13, 2016 • 9:30:25am

re: #561 Targetpractice

“And no one else will believe or act on what he says.”

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Nov 13, 2016 • 9:30:42am

re: #557 HappyWarrior

I like that idea a lot. It would improve both the economy and environment in those places.

This is where people idle their SUVs all day on Earth Day “to piss off liberals”.

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Anymouse  Nov 13, 2016 • 9:31:53am

re: #510 Eclectic Cyborg

Well if I ever did go back it would be to Western Canada but I have decided unless they kick my ass out I’m here for the long haul.

Well, if you ever come to the Nebraska Panhandle, my wife learned how to make poutine from an Iranian-Canadian restaurant owner in The Pas, Manitoba that makes a delicious version of it.

As it turns out, you can buy the correct cheese curds for poutine right here in my county. If you ever find yourself hopelessly lost or completely unhinged in my part of the world, stop on by.

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Belafon  Nov 13, 2016 • 9:32:37am

Because of Jeet Heer, I wondered over to the New Republic. They had an interesting article, and something to think about: Democrats Should Lie Like Donald Trump

To fight Trump-style politics, Democrats will have to steal at least a page or two from Trump’s playbook by making more audacious promises, as Sanders did with his call for free college education for all and a $15 minimum wage—both of which Clinton balked at. While her plan might have been more fiscally responsible, Sanders better understood the power of raising expectations, especially during a populist wave and change year in American politics. To go the full Trump would be nihilistic, but Democrats need to stop worrying about the fine print and start forging their own unrealistic utopia.

Personally, I’d rather hear that it’s going to take some time to get things to where you want them to be, but maybe there’s a good point in there. I’ll take my life history, for instance. If someone had come up to me and said, right before I graduate, that “You’ll start college as a physics major but drop out due to stressing out, you’ll go into the Navy and almost try to kill yourself. When you get out, you’ll work full time and go to college and earn a bachelors 17 years after you started college and a masters a few years later,” I’m not sure I would have been all that excited, and I might even be less excited now. And the reason I’d rather here more details now is that I’m kind of in a place where I don’t need a huge promise as a lifeline.

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Targetpractice  Nov 13, 2016 • 9:33:36am

re: #561 Targetpractice

Basically same rationale as that story about Hitler from 1922: (paraphrased) “It’s all talk, he doesn’t really believe any of it, so I have no reason to worry about it.”

Oh, and I forgot that she says she’s an immigrant from the Middle East who came over as a child, so she feels the threat of “radical Islam” from nations like Qatar and Saudi Arabia are great enough to support Trump.

And that she thinks that Trump’s Islamophobia is largely a creation of Democrats, hence why she doesn’t believe he really means what he says.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Nov 13, 2016 • 9:33:38am

re: #557 HappyWarrior

It would also be something similar to the kind of work that they were doing before.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 13, 2016 • 9:33:38am

re: #564 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

This is where people idle their SUVs all day on Earth Day “to piss off liberals”.

I know but if we can somehow make the argument to these people, easier said than done I’ll be the first to acknowledge that, make the argument that green jobs could both revitalize their economy and make their environment better. Of course, as my brother has observed, so many conservatives don’t care about environmental impact. I told him that as soon as he’s done with his college education, he should look at becoming an environmental activist, he understands the issues so much better than I do and can explain them better too. Not sure what he’s going to do though since he’s got a family and obviously bills gotta be paid but of all the people I personally know, he’s probably one of the most articulate on environmental issues, he’s a little bit of a radical but he’s got a good heart too.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Nov 13, 2016 • 9:34:31am

re: #564 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

A job is a job, and a lot of these areas need that.

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sagehen  Nov 13, 2016 • 9:34:55am

re: #553 jaunte

I didn’t see that. Do you recall her rationale?

washingtonpost.com

Because she thinks health insurance would be cheaper if Obamacare is repealed, because she didn’t qualify for the mortgage-modification program after the economic collapse, and because Hillary doesn’t talk enough about Muslim extremism.

No, it doesn’t make sense.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 13, 2016 • 9:34:58am

re: #568 Ziggy_TARDIS

It would also be something similar to the kind of work that they were doing before.

Right. It’s just going to be a challenge to talk environment to peopel who as said drive SUVs on Earth Day to “piss off liberals.”

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freetoken  Nov 13, 2016 • 9:35:36am

In 2012 there were 1.19 million votes for President (all candidates) in San Diego county.

Current total is about 770k.

So yes, there are many more to count, one would presume.

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freetoken  Nov 13, 2016 • 9:36:59am

Let me correct that… the registrar’s website is still behind the state’s website…

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ObserverArt  Nov 13, 2016 • 9:37:21am

re: #478 freetoken

Supposedly in that interview Trump also promises to moderate his outburst on twitter.

But we see this morning that tweet of anger at NYT.

So Trump is as mercurial as ever.

AMERICA…listen up.

YOU ARE NOT GOING TO CHANGE A 70 YEAR OLD MAN.

Especially one that now has all the power he thinks he needs to do what ever the hell he wants to Make America Great.

Now, down on your knees and kiss the fucking ring.

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Targetpractice  Nov 13, 2016 • 9:37:22am

re: #566 Belafon

Because of Jeet Heer, I wondered over to the New Republic. They had an interesting article, and something to think about: Democrats Should Lie Like Donald Trump

Personally, I’d rather hear that it’s going to take some time to get things to where you want them to be, but maybe there’s a good point in there. I’ll take my life history, for instance. If someone had come up to me and said, right before I graduate, that “You’ll start college as a physics major but drop out due to stressing out, you’ll go into the Navy and almost try to kill yourself. When you get out, you’ll work full time and go to college and earn a bachelors 17 years after you started college and a masters a few years later,” I’m not sure I would have been all that excited, and I might even be less excited now. And the reason I’d rather here more details now is that I’m kind of in a place where I don’t need a huge promise as a lifeline.

Here’s the thing: Democrats can’t make audacious promises because the media will crucify them for failing to meet those promises. Take the ACA for example. It’s over 5 years since its passage, millions of people have managed to get insurance for the first time…but the media still brings up promises like “If you like your doctor, you’ll be able to keep them.” When a Republican makes such promises and then fails to meet them, the media shrugs and says “You can’t expect a politician to accomplish everything they promise.” But when a Democrat does the same thing, the media will keep tabs on every single aspect of the promise and consider it “broken” if it is not met to the letter.

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Anymouse  Nov 13, 2016 • 9:37:51am

re: #564 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

This is where people idle their SUVs all day on Earth Day “to piss off liberals”.

I’d heard about “coal-rolling” many months ago, and I thought “why would anyone bother to spend money on such a system just to piss off liberals/economy car owners/whatever.”

Then a few months ago in Cheyenne I was at a traffic light next to a humungous pickup truck, and lo! The truck belched a cloud of diesel exhaust so thick I couldn’t see through it. I had to wait some seconds before I could proceed through the light.

I commented to my wife “well, we get fifty miles to the gallon in our car, I wonder what he gets doing that.”

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freetoken  Nov 13, 2016 • 9:38:35am

…. nope, the state website is showing the same numbers for SD county as does the county registrar’s website.

We’ll just have to wait and see what happens.

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Targetpractice  Nov 13, 2016 • 9:38:40am

re: #571 sagehen

washingtonpost.com

Because she thinks health insurance would be cheaper if Obamacare is repealed, because she didn’t qualify for the mortgage-modification program after the economic collapse, and because Hillary doesn’t talk enough about Muslim extremism.

No, it doesn’t make sense.

Really, it sounds like the standard mish-mash of excuses we’ve heard that, in the end, come back to the same real answer: “I don’t like Hillary.”

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HappyWarrior  Nov 13, 2016 • 9:38:51am

re: #576 Targetpractice

Here’s the thing: Democrats can’t make audacious promises because the media will crucify them for failing to meet those promises. Take the ACA for example. It’s over 5 years since its passage, millions of people have managed to get insurance for the first time…but the media still brings up promises like “If you like your doctor, you’ll be able to keep them.” When a Republican makes such promises and then fails to meet them, the media shrugs and says “You can’t expect a politician to accomplish everything they promise.” But when a Democrat does the same thing, the media will keep tabs on every single aspect of the promise and consider it “broken” if it is not met to the letter.

This is so true. Republicans as we saw in this election can get away with pretty much anything. Democrats can’t. I wish I knew why that was but we can’t. I sort of get the argument but at the same time, this is absolutely true too.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Nov 13, 2016 • 9:40:21am

re: #572 HappyWarrior

Just promote as being decent, reasonably long term jobs that could later provide tourist money, if done correctly.

You can be environmentalist, without mentioning the environment.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 13, 2016 • 9:40:37am

re: #579 Targetpractice

Really, it sounds like the standard mish-mash of excuses we’ve heard that, in the end, come back to the same real answer: “I don’t like Hillary.”

And, honestly, there’s nothing about being educated, or Muslim, or an immigrant, or a woman, or all of that, that prevents you making stupid self-defeating choices.

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jaunte  Nov 13, 2016 • 9:40:41am

re: #571 sagehen

So, now I’ve read her thoughts. I don’t see any reason Trump is going to be able to solve her “making ends meet” problem, and as a bonus he’s made her a target for bigots.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 13, 2016 • 9:41:18am

re: #577 Anymouse

I’d heard about “coal-rolling” many months ago, and I thought “why would anyone bother to spend money on such a system just to piss off liberals/economy car owners/whatever.”

Then a few months ago in Cheyenne I was at a traffic light next to a humungous pickup truck, and lo! The truck belched a cloud of diesel exhaust so thick I couldn’t see through it. I had to wait some seconds before I could proceed through the light.

I commented to my wife “well, we get fifty miles to the gallon in our car, I wonder what he gets doing that.”

It’s really messed up but so many of these people make decisions that revolve around pissing off imaginary liberals. REmember when we saw a surge in Chik-A-Fila in response to their ownership’s homophobia? Or when conservatives in general talk about buying more guns to “piss off liberals.” That’s the kind of childish mindset we’re dealing with here. I don’t know how we change that unfortunately. These people hate liberals that much.

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Targetpractice  Nov 13, 2016 • 9:42:15am

re: #582 Blind Frog Belly White

And, honestly, there’s nothing about being educated, or Muslim, or an immigrant, or a woman, or all of that, that prevents you making stupid self-defeating choices.

There were a lot of Jews who voted for the Nazis while lying to themselves that the antisemitism was all talk.

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ObserverArt  Nov 13, 2016 • 9:42:45am

re: #489 freetoken

Running contra to the alleged Trump statement on 60 Minutes:

Ryan says he and Trump ‘not planning’ mass deportations

Ryan’s trying to save his ass…from Trump and from the voters. I hope he and McConnell both find themselves jammed between both and lose their jobs.

I will laugh.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 13, 2016 • 9:42:47am

re: #581 Ziggy_TARDIS

Just promote as being decent, reasonably long term jobs that could later provide tourist money, if done correctly.

You can be environmentalist, without mentioning the environment.

That’s true as well. Just sucks that to some people talking about the environment is a non starter. When I’ve talked about keeping our oceans clean, I always talk about my personal joys as a lifelong swimmer in the seas and wanting my children and grandchildren to be able to enjoy the ocean as much as I did when I was a kid.

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BeachDem  Nov 13, 2016 • 9:43:24am

re: #530 Targetpractice

Something I’m sure we can look forward to for the next four years: The White House responding to criticisms or insults with threats of legal action. Can anyone remember President Obama ever threatening to sue his critics? I sure as fuck can’t.

And let’s not forget Omarosa and the enemies list comments—she’s now threatened both Mitt Romney and Lindsey Graham:

“Let’s just say,” she continued, “the list of people who’ve turned on him, who’ve gone from friend to foe, is so incredibly long… Manigault went on to say Romney is the “one person who should read that quote over and over again.”

“If [Graham] felt his interests was with that candidate, God bless him. I would never judge anybody for exercising their right to and the freedom to choose who they want. But let me just tell you, Mr. Trump has a long memory and we’re keeping a list.”

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freetoken  Nov 13, 2016 • 9:43:46am

re: #571 sagehen

See my post earlier this morning about this. Her reasons are illogical. Something more is at play. I presume a religious internal conflict of some sort.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 13, 2016 • 9:44:15am

re: #588 BeachDem

And let’s not forget Omarosa and the enemies list comments—she’s now threatened both Mitt Romney and Lindsey Graham:

“Let’s just say,” she continued, “the list of people who’ve turned on him, who’ve gone from friend to foe, is so incredibly long… Manigault went on to say Romney is the “one person who should read that quote over and over again.”

“If [Graham] felt his interests was with that candidate, God bless him. I would never judge anybody for exercising their right to and the freedom to choose who they want. But let me just tell you, Mr. Trump has a long memory and we’re keeping a list.”

At least Nixon had the decency to keep his pettiness private.

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Belafon  Nov 13, 2016 • 9:45:58am

re: #576 Targetpractice

Here’s the thing: Democrats can’t make audacious promises because the media will crucify them for failing to meet those promises. Take the ACA for example. It’s over 5 years since its passage, millions of people have managed to get insurance for the first time…but the media still brings up promises like “If you like your doctor, you’ll be able to keep them.” When a Republican makes such promises and then fails to meet them, the media shrugs and says “You can’t expect a politician to accomplish everything they promise.” But when a Democrat does the same thing, the media will keep tabs on every single aspect of the promise and consider it “broken” if it is not met to the letter.

True, but the voters don’t punish you for making outrageous promises. We just need to couch ours in making people’s lives better by taking care of each other.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Nov 13, 2016 • 9:45:59am

re: #588 BeachDem

And let’s not forget Omarosa and the enemies list comments—she’s now threatened both Mitt Romney and Lindsey Graham:

“….Mr. Trump has a long memory and we’re keeping a list.”

Hahaha! Trump’s memory can’t last from the beginning to the end of a sentence!

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Nov 13, 2016 • 9:46:30am

re: #587 HappyWarrior

We are not going to be able to restore some of these areas back to what they were, but we can make them natural environments again, and perhaps provide a few natural tourist attractions in the mix to boost the local economy. Along with getting infrastructure out there.

Also, see if we can create local bus lines in the areas.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 13, 2016 • 9:46:39am

I am glad people aren’t losing their senses of humor. I love the Obama-Bidens that I’m seeing. Here’s a good one from this morning I saw on Facebook:
Biden: I changed the door knobs.
Obama: Joe.
Biden: The new ones look like cats.
Obama: Stop
Biden: Every time he goes to the John, he’ll have to grab the……

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Targetpractice  Nov 13, 2016 • 9:46:51am

re: #590 HappyWarrior

At least Nixon had the decency to keep his pettiness private.

Nixon was a piker next to Trump. And in keeping with their history of wanting to act as if Nixon’s impeachment was an act of petty partisan politics rather than actual criminal actions, the GOP will now totally ignore that one of the reasons he was impeached was because he was using the government to go after his “enemies.”

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Nov 13, 2016 • 9:47:33am

re: #589 freetoken

SHe is one of the “Useful Idiots.” She is like Zuhdi Jasser, Tarek Fatah, and Maajid Nawaz.

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ObserverArt  Nov 13, 2016 • 9:47:36am

re: #500 Anymouse

Remember, it’s Democrats that promise everyone “free stuff.” /s

Perhaps a campaign strategy going into 2018 might be something along the lines of “where is all the stuff the GOP promised you? Let’s work together to make happen what they can’t deliver.”

Me likey!

I might do up some Photoshop images of ads that are like that and then send them off to the Democratic party here in Ohio. Might as well get started and since I am graphic artist with a career in advertising and public relations designs…right up my alley.

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Timothy Watson  Nov 13, 2016 • 9:48:32am

re: #594 HappyWarrior

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HappyWarrior  Nov 13, 2016 • 9:48:43am

re: #593 Ziggy_TARDIS

We are not going to be able to restore some of these areas back to what they were, but we can make them natural environments again, and perhaps provide a few natural tourist attractions in the mix to boost the local economy. Along with getting infrastructure out there.

Also, see if we can create local bus lines in the areas.

Right, of course not. It just sucks that environmentalism which should sell to everyone regardless of their ideology is a tough sell. I gave my beach example because that’s something that personally means a lot to me. Maybe we could talk about how cleaning up their rivers and bodies of water will mean the fish they enjoy fishing for will be better to eat. A lot of outdoorsmen have a stronger environmentalist bent than they may realize.

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freetoken  Nov 13, 2016 • 9:49:07am

Here is the 10 Nov PM update on the uncounted ballots in California:

Note there were counts on the 11th, the day after that report.

The counties have 28 days to get in the final count, after the election.

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Anymouse  Nov 13, 2016 • 9:49:51am

re: #584 HappyWarrior

It’s really messed up but so many of these people make decisions that revolve around pissing off imaginary liberals. REmember when we saw a surge in Chik-A-Fila in response to their ownership’s homophobia? Or when conservatives in general talk about buying more guns to “piss off liberals.” That’s the kind of childish mindset we’re dealing with here. I don’t know how we change that unfortunately. These people hate liberals that much.

We need more liberals here in the middle of the country. Perhaps the only way to flip the electoral votes in some of our states is to overwhelm them with liberals.

For all you folk complaining about the cost of living in places like San Francisco or New York, it is way cheaper to live here.

We have pretty much the cheapest electricity in the country. My wife and I bought our house for the same price it originally sold for in 1914 (twenty $20 gold pieces, or $400 - we sold twenty $20 gold pieces to buy the house). Food is very inexpensive.

There isn’t a whole lot of cultural activity around here other than local town parades and rodeos, but I would presume a huge influx of liberals would bring in arts and culture and all that other stuff.

Quit congregating in little clumps in major cities! Be adventurous! Lots of elbow room out here!

(Signed: Nebraska Panhandle Development Corp. This is not a Twenties Florida land deal. Bring business and enterprise, win hearts in the Heartland. Free cow to the first five thousand respondents.)

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ObserverArt  Nov 13, 2016 • 9:50:16am

re: #514 jamesfirecat

He’s also Dick Cheney without the actual intelligence.

James…nice to see you!

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HappyWarrior  Nov 13, 2016 • 9:50:30am

re: #598 Timothy Watson

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Hahahhaa I could read these all days. Is Joe planning to go back to Delaware for his retirement? I sort of selfishly hope he stays in the D.C area in the off chance I get to meet him and thank him for his public service and just being one of the best people as well as public servants in our lives.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Nov 13, 2016 • 9:51:54am

re: #601 Anymouse

That’s a decent idea too.

I do admit, for some areas I am talking about, even a Bus System would be implausible.

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BeachDem  Nov 13, 2016 • 9:53:33am

re: #577 Anymouse

I’d heard about “coal-rolling” many months ago, and I thought “why would anyone bother to spend money on such a system just to piss off liberals/economy car owners/whatever.”

Then a few months ago in Cheyenne I was at a traffic light next to a humungous pickup truck, and lo! The truck belched a cloud of diesel exhaust so thick I couldn’t see through it. I had to wait some seconds before I could proceed through the light.

I commented to my wife “well, we get fifty miles to the gallon in our car, I wonder what he gets doing that.”

Colbert’s rolling coal bit is a classic:

Comedy Central

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HappyWarrior  Nov 13, 2016 • 9:54:24am

re: #601 Anymouse

We need more liberals here in the middle of the country. Perhaps the only way to flip the electoral votes in some of our states is to overwhelm them with liberals.

For all you folk complaining about the cost of living in places like San Francisco or New York, it is way cheaper to live here.

We have pretty much the cheapest electricity in the country. My wife and I bought our house for the same price it originally sold for in 1914 (twenty $20 gold pieces, or $400 - we sold twenty $20 gold pieces to buy the house). Food is very inexpensive.

There isn’t a whole lot of cultural activity around here other than local town parades and rodeos, but I would presume a huge influx of liberals would bring in arts and culture and all that other stuff.

Quit congregating in little clumps in major cities! Be adventurous! Lots of elbow room out here!

(Signed: Nebraska Panhandle Development Corp. This is not a Twenties Florida land deal. Bring business and enterprise, win hearts in the Heartland. Free cow to the first five thousand respondents.)

It’s really not a bad idea. Honestly though, a lot of people like cities not because of the fact that we’re surrounded by like minded folks, it’s because we enjoy not having to rely on cars and in a big metro area, there’s always an adventure to be had somewhere. I do like the idea though because it speaks to what I’ve been saying about rural conservatives seeing us their friends and neighbors. That won’t change immediately if a bunch moved in but it would over time.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 13, 2016 • 9:57:15am

washingtonpost.com

In my own backyard, sigh.

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Anymouse  Nov 13, 2016 • 9:59:08am

re: #597 ObserverArt

Me likey!

I might do up some Photoshop images of ads that are like that and then send them off to the Democratic party here in Ohio. Might as well get started and since I am graphic artist with a career in advertising and public relations designs…right up my alley.

Me likey!

Political activism doesn’t consist of just cold-calls on the phone or knocking on doors. Any skill might be useful.

If the Ohio Democratic Party thinks such an idea is useful, they might pass it on to the DNC. Ohio’s former manufacturing and steel industry areas are not the only areas hurting from the inevitable march of technological progress.

Others:
“New world economy seeks applicants looking for skills and jobs.”
“Your family matters to us.”
“Farmers need world trade to survive.”

Heck, thinking outside the box, the Democratic Party could even sponsor things like job fairs and technical or collegiate training sessions.

“Democratic Job Fair, 300 Main St. 7 PM. All Welcome.”

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Nov 13, 2016 • 10:00:28am

re: #607 HappyWarrior

But everyone rallied around the man being harassed.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 13, 2016 • 10:02:16am

re: #609 Ziggy_TARDIS

But everyone rallied around the man being harassed.

It’s the fact that the harassment happened in the first place that bothers me. That part was re-assuring, believe me but these incidents just trouble me. I’m going to keep an eye for this kind of shit next time I’m on Metro.

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Targetpractice  Nov 13, 2016 • 10:03:18am

The thing about the WaPo “female Muslim single-mother immigrant” story is that you could probably find some backwoods hillybilly hick who voted for Reagan twice and thinks God has a mullet…who still voted for Hillary because he thinks Trump is a loon. 300 million people in this country, you’re liable to run against one or more people who defy the stereotypes.

But that’s why the phrase “there’s an exception to every rule” exists, because there are those people out there. She has her reasons for voting Trump, whether they be what she said or something else. She could be lying her ass off or not even exist, it would not surprise me at this point. So the point of the article, as one friend pointed out to me, is not to show that such people exist. It’s the media forming a narrative, that “The people who should be afraid of Trump aren’t, so don’t believe what people say about him.” The editorial is just the beginning of the effort we’re going to see over the next few months to “humanize” Trump, to get us to see him as just a guy who said a lot of shit for months that he never really meant and shouldn’t be taken at face value.

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ObserverArt  Nov 13, 2016 • 10:03:42am

re: #546 Anymouse

Flipping the board over, scattering the pieces and money, and declaring “Monopoly is a dumb game?” /s

Heh.

In college (art students fueled by psychedelic drugs on a Friday night/Saturday morning) we used to play with two boards placed such you had a figure eight. We put a black dot on all the properties on one board and all the property cards for that board. This created more money by being able to pass go two times each move around the boards and more property to extend the game, etc.

Then we went with an honor bank where every player was responsible for their own transactions and then we would go to it. It was a blast…

Maybe we can fix our economy just like that!

Maybe I need to go back to psychedelic drugs…due to this freaking election.

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jaunte  Nov 13, 2016 • 10:03:53am
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Amory Blaine  Nov 13, 2016 • 10:03:54am

re: #580 HappyWarrior

I know why. Those with the gold make the rules.

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Targetpractice  Nov 13, 2016 • 10:05:23am

re: #613 jaunte

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NDAs and no doubt loyalty oaths coming next. Because he probably also doesn’t want anybody working for him that isn’t totally dedicated to him.

So I guess the swastika armbands are on order for Inauguration Day.

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Timothy Watson  Nov 13, 2016 • 10:05:56am

re: #613 jaunte

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From April, also unconstitutional.

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ObserverArt  Nov 13, 2016 • 10:06:37am

re: #566 Belafon

Because of Jeet Heer, I wondered over to the New Republic. They had an interesting article, and something to think about: Democrats Should Lie Like Donald Trump

Personally, I’d rather hear that it’s going to take some time to get things to where you want them to be, but maybe there’s a good point in there. I’ll take my life history, for instance. If someone had come up to me and said, right before I graduate, that “You’ll start college as a physics major but drop out due to stressing out, you’ll go into the Navy and almost try to kill yourself. When you get out, you’ll work full time and go to college and earn a bachelors 17 years after you started college and a masters a few years later,” I’m not sure I would have been all that excited, and I might even be less excited now. And the reason I’d rather here more details now is that I’m kind of in a place where I don’t need a huge promise as a lifeline.

This is no time to be reasonable!!! /

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Anymouse  Nov 13, 2016 • 10:06:43am

re: #605 BeachDem

Colbert’s rolling coal bit is a classic:

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I’m afraid I see nothing but a blank where there should be a video in your post.

In the meantime, Felix Randomkitty just slashed open my hand for not paying attention to him and I am bleeding all over the place. Be right back

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HappyWarrior  Nov 13, 2016 • 10:06:51am

re: #611 Targetpractice

The thing about the WaPo “female Muslim single-mother immigrant” story is that you could probably find some backwoods hillybilly hick who voted for Reagan twice and thinks God has a mullet…who still voted for Hillary because he thinks Trump is a loon. 300 million people in this country, you’re liable to run against one or more people who defy the stereotypes.

But that’s why the phrase “there’s an exception to every rule” exists, because there are those people out there. She has her reasons for voting Trump, whether they be what she said or something else. She could be lying her ass off or not even exist, it would not surprise me at this point. So the point of the article, as one friend pointed out to me, is not to show that such people exist. It’s the media forming a narrative, that “The people who should be afraid of Trump aren’t, so don’t believe what people say about him.” The editorial is just the beginning of the effort we’re going to see over the next few months to “humanize” Trump, to get us to see him as just a guy who said a lot of shit for months that he never really meant and shouldn’t be taken at face value.

Yes, I remember on the way home from work one day, NPR was in a small town in North Carolina. They talked to two people, one a 32 year old woman who was a computer programmer and who by her own admission voted Obama twice and the other a 60 year old man, a retired ironworker who had a CSA flag on his truck. The latter was the Clinton supporter and the former a Trump. There are always exceptions to the rule as you say. It doesn’t mean this woman’s opinion is not legitimate (in the sense that she’s not entitled to it) but she was far from most of the people who vote Trump and the Post knwos that.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 13, 2016 • 10:07:36am

re: #613 jaunte

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I am so glad my mom just retired from the federal government and I myself have never been gladder I did not get into the federal government.

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Targetpractice  Nov 13, 2016 • 10:08:38am

re: #620 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

End off the world? Texas community plans $300 million luxury underground bunker to ride out Doomsday

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Yeah, grand idea, publish the location so you can be sure that hundreds of people will try to storm that fucker as soon as Doomsday arrives.

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sagehen  Nov 13, 2016 • 10:09:29am

re: #601 Anymouse

We need more liberals here in the middle of the country. Perhaps the only way to flip the electoral votes in some of our states is to overwhelm them with liberals.

[snip]

Quit congregating in little clumps in major cities! Be adventurous! Lots of elbow room out here!

(Signed: Nebraska Panhandle Development Corp. This is not a Twenties Florida land deal. Bring business and enterprise, win hearts in the Heartland. Free cow to the first five thousand respondents.)

If that “fiber-optic everywhere” initiative had been pushed through, that’s what would bring the libs. Get a 3-bedroom house on 5 acres for less than the cost of that SF studio apt, work on-line from home, have a big enough yard for 3 dogs and a flower garden…

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Timothy Watson  Nov 13, 2016 • 10:10:26am

re: #622 Targetpractice

Yeah, grand idea, publish the location so you can be sure that hundreds of people will try to storm that fucker as soon as Doomsday arrives.

Vault-Tec has security protocols.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 13, 2016 • 10:10:50am

I mean of course, there are exceptions to the rule. My Dad’s a 65 year old, high school graduate who did mostly blue collar and some gray collar work when he worked. He was staunchly for Clinton and against Trump but he’s not the typical 65 year old white high school graduate voter in the South and I am glad for that honestly since my Dad’s always been his own man. His father in law, my late grandfather was if you didn’t know him the kind of man you’d expect to become a Reagan Democrat but Grandpa to his last days hated the Reagan presidency and liked to joke that he wasn’t even that good of an actor in the first place.

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Targetpractice  Nov 13, 2016 • 10:12:03am

re: #624 Timothy Watson

Vault-Tec has security protocols.

Yeah, the giant steel “fuck off” door tends to serve to dissuade potential raiders.

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BeachDem  Nov 13, 2016 • 10:12:12am

re: #618 Anymouse

I’m afraid I see nothing but a blank where there should be a video in your post.

In the meantime, Felix Randomkitty just slashed open my hand for not paying attention to him and I am bleeding all over the place. Be right back

Weird—I checked the link and it works here. Google
Colbert rolling coal
The video is the first thing that comes up—it’s the Colbert Report, July 17, 2014

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Nov 13, 2016 • 10:13:43am

re: #623 sagehen

And to do that will require an epic amount of work. Shovel-ready jobs.

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Belafon  Nov 13, 2016 • 10:13:52am

re: #613 jaunte

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jaunte  Nov 13, 2016 • 10:14:04am

re: #620 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

End off the world? Texas community plans $300 million luxury underground bunker to ride out Doomsday

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“O’Connor said the first wave of move-ins may start sometime in 2018 if everything goes according to plan. The CEO said surveying and basic engineering is underway now and construction could start in 2017. “

Sounds as reliable as a Trump development in Baja California.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 13, 2016 • 10:15:17am

So all that talk about “crony capitalism”, that’s Trump in a nutshell but you of course won’t see Sarah Palin or Rick Perry calling it at that since Sarah will be one of the cronies and Rick will be cheering it on because go team GOP! go!

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ObserverArt  Nov 13, 2016 • 10:16:15am

re: #590 HappyWarrior

At least Nixon had the decency to keep his pettiness private.

No tape needed for Trump.

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lizardofid  Nov 13, 2016 • 10:16:31am

re: #523 ObserverArt

I think we’ve been over this ground. You don’t count!

I don’t count.

We all don’t count.

What ends a Monopoly game?

The game ends when one player has all the money. ; (

Hello all. i’ve been lurking, but shock and disappointment have left me unable to find words to post. I feel sadness and concern for all the vulnerable of our country, and appreciation for all who care.

back to lurk mode.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 13, 2016 • 10:16:32am
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BeachDem  Nov 13, 2016 • 10:17:47am

re: #630 jaunte

“O’Connor said the first wave of move-ins may start sometime in 2018 if everything goes according to plan. The CEO said surveying and basic engineering is underway now and construction could start in 2017. “

Sounds as reliable as a Trump development in Baja California.

And Glenn Beck’s utopian city plan.

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Targetpractice  Nov 13, 2016 • 10:18:12am

re: #631 HappyWarrior

So all that talk about “crony capitalism”, that’s Trump in a nutshell but you of course won’t see Sarah Palin or Rick Perry calling it at that since Sarah will be one of the cronies and Rick will be cheering it on because go team GOP! go!

Basically every single attack on the present administration from the last 8 years is now set to go down the memory hole. Like how wrong it is to pack your administration with lobbyists or veteran politicians. Or having any sort of connection with anything bigger than a Ma & Pa shop in some knothole in Montana. And definitely the idea that the President should remain in the Oval Office for every single day of his presidency and not play a single round of golf else he is totally shirking the responsibilities of his job.

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Weaselone  Nov 13, 2016 • 10:18:50am

re: #601 Anymouse

The movement is mostly in the other direction though and that movement is being driven by economic, cultural and social issues neither the urban or rural areas really have much control over. Isn’t part of the problem that in many cases those occupations that have provided good livings for generations are either disappearing or simply don’t pay as well as they used to?

Plus, would it really be fair for city liberals to move to a rural area and dominate the local politics? If the locals are upset and angry about urban areas looking down on them and ignoring them, how much more resentful will they be when those liberals show up, start electing democratic politicians and enacting liberal policies over their objections?

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HappyWarrior  Nov 13, 2016 • 10:19:34am

re: #636 Targetpractice

Basically every single attack on the present administration from the last 8 years is now set to go down the memory hole. Like how wrong it is to pack your administration with lobbyists or veteran politicians. Or having any sort of connection with anything bigger than a Ma & Pa shop in some knothole in Montana. And definitely the idea that the President should remain in the Oval Office for every single day of his presidency and not play a single round of golf else he is totally shirking the responsibilities of his job.

Yep and then when we elect a Democrat again, the cycle will start fresh and Dinesh D’Sousa and Jerome Corsi will be hard at work making documentaries and books about how “Democrat Name Here” will ruin America.

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Belafon  Nov 13, 2016 • 10:21:04am

re: #601 Anymouse

We need more liberals here in the middle of the country. Perhaps the only way to flip the electoral votes in some of our states is to overwhelm them with liberals.

For all you folk complaining about the cost of living in places like San Francisco or New York, it is way cheaper to live here.

We have pretty much the cheapest electricity in the country. My wife and I bought our house for the same price it originally sold for in 1914 (twenty $20 gold pieces, or $400 - we sold twenty $20 gold pieces to buy the house). Food is very inexpensive.

There isn’t a whole lot of cultural activity around here other than local town parades and rodeos, but I would presume a huge influx of liberals would bring in arts and culture and all that other stuff.

Quit congregating in little clumps in major cities! Be adventurous! Lots of elbow room out here!

(Signed: Nebraska Panhandle Development Corp. This is not a Twenties Florida land deal. Bring business and enterprise, win hearts in the Heartland. Free cow to the first five thousand respondents.)

I tried arguing that recently. No one would take the bait.

re: #623 sagehen

If that “fiber-optic everywhere” initiative had been pushed through, that’s what would bring the libs. Get a 3-bedroom house on 5 acres for less than the cost of that SF studio apt, work on-line from home, have a big enough yard for 3 dogs and a flower garden…

Anecdote: When I moved to Rockwall in 2001, there was no high speed internet in the city (it was still dial up). At the same time, the city was building an industrial park, and one of the businesses that was trying to move in was Pilgrim’s Pride. But they required the city to allow high speed internet to be installed. Guess what, we got it.

Businesses can drive good changes if they are willing to.

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Amory Blaine  Nov 13, 2016 • 10:21:06am

re: #620 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

But they’ll fight to the death against a tax increase for infrastructure anything!

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Nov 13, 2016 • 10:21:28am

re: #637 Weaselone

how much more resentful will they be when those liberals show up, start electing democratic and enacting liberal policies over their objections?

I no longer give a flying fuck about their pwecious widdle fee-fees. In fact, I want to cause them as much mental anguish as possible. Unfortunately, we’d also be saving them from themselves, but no plan’s perfect.

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Anymouse  Nov 13, 2016 • 10:22:15am

re: #611 Targetpractice

Fifteen hundred miles away from Washington, I wonder if the woman in this article is really a Muslim.

FOR ZIGGY:

I promised I would contact the Islamic Center of Lexington (in Nebraska) in response to your concerns about the city council questionably using the city’s zoning ordinances to restrict expansion of the Laundromat-turned-mosque.

The mosque pointed me to an Omaha World-Herald article that details the resolution of the case without spending a whole lot of time chatting on the phone with some guy they never heard of one hundred miles away. (To be clear, I noted I supported them in their fight, because I never want to see the law used to infringe on anyone’s religious views.)

The article is from July, and explains the city’s total capitulation

omaha.com

LEXINGTON, Neb. — After previous controversy, the Lexington Planning Commission has recommended approving a conditional-use permit for the Islamic Center of Lexington.

The conditional-use permit grants the Islamic Center permission to expand into the entirety of the building at 401 N. Grant St. The mosque occupied a portion of the building for a number of years before applying to expand.

The article continues at the Omaha World-Herald, where the newspaper explains the background of the case between the city and the mosque, and how the resolution came about (hint: the city was on the wrong side of the I Amendment).

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BeachDem  Nov 13, 2016 • 10:22:56am

re: #636 Targetpractice

Basically every single attack on the present administration from the last 8 years is now set to go down the memory hole. Like how wrong it is to pack your administration with lobbyists or veteran politicians. Or having any sort of connection with anything bigger than a Ma & Pa shop in some knothole in Montana. And definitely the idea that the President should remain in the Oval Office for every single day of his presidency and not play a single round of golf else he is totally shirking the responsibilities of his job.

They’ve already convinced themselves that Obama was responsible for Katrina (and for 9/11 to some extent) and that it was the Dems who shut down the government, so it will be a piece of cake for them to rewrite all of their views from the past 8 years—much like they deny having said things that are on tape.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 13, 2016 • 10:23:27am

re: #381 Anymouse

Was that before or after Bridgegate? Before or after he apparently diverted Hurricane Sandy funds into projects he promoted instead?

When was there ever a time Chris Christie was not corrupt?

there was I time when I admired him for standing up to people who gave him a hard time for appointing a Muslim judge. I at least found him a GOP candidate worth consideration…but not for very long

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Weaselone  Nov 13, 2016 • 10:23:50am

re: #641 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

I no longer give a flying fuck about their pwecious widdle fee-fees. In fact, I want to cause them as much mental anguish as possible. Unfortunately, we’d also be saving them from themselves, but no plan’s perfect.

OK. I was sort of dancing around the issue of violence. Unless these liberals who move out to these locations are retired Seals, Rangers

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Edge of a dream AKA Cankles Mccellulite  Nov 13, 2016 • 10:24:06am

Apparently, The liberal media thinks I need to try to understand the suffering white man.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Nov 13, 2016 • 10:25:37am

re: #636 Targetpractice

Basically every single attack on the present administration from the last 8 years is now set to go down the memory hole. Like how wrong it is to pack your administration with lobbyists or veteran politicians. Or having any sort of connection with anything bigger than a Ma & Pa shop in some knothole in Montana. And definitely the idea that the President should remain in the Oval Office for every single day of his presidency and not play a single round of golf else he is totally shirking the responsibilities of his job.

At least Trump won’t commit the greatest sin of all: Putting his feet on the desk. He’d never bend that far.

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Edge of a dream AKA Cankles Mccellulite  Nov 13, 2016 • 10:26:19am

I love all men. Trust me. But give me a break.

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ObserverArt  Nov 13, 2016 • 10:26:55am

re: #643 BeachDem

They’ve already convinced themselves that Obama was responsible for Katrina (and for 9/11 to some extent) and that it was the Dems who shut down the government, so it will be a piece of cake for them to rewrite all of their views from the past 8 years—much like they deny having said things that are on tape.

How do you reach these types of people with anything that is normal?

That is the real problem and it sure was reflected in this election.

And with that…later lizards. Got to do something with this day.

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Belafon  Nov 13, 2016 • 10:27:53am

re: #646 Edge of a dream AKA Cankles Mccellulite

Apparently, The liberal media thinks I need to try to understand the suffering white man.

This white man has done a lot of suffering through the years. When I was a kid, my dad and I would go mow people’s yards to earn money for dinner. I understand their suffering, probably more suffering than a lot of them.

Having said that, CBS This Morning did a piece on a coal town in West Virginia, and how it went heavily for Trump, and all I could think was that they’re going to get screwed by the person they voted for. The story even mentioned that most of them were on public assistance.

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Targetpractice  Nov 13, 2016 • 10:28:16am

re: #646 Edge of a dream AKA Cankles Mccellulite

Apparently, The liberal media thinks I need to try to understand the suffering white man.

Oh yes, the last four days have been a long procession of media stories about how we need to stop being so mean to Trump voters, we need to understand their plight, their “anxiety,” and how we need to join hands with them and sing “Kumbaya”…until they slap us across the face and call us a “faggot.”

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Edge of a dream AKA Cankles Mccellulite  Nov 13, 2016 • 10:30:05am

re: #650 Belafon

This white man has done a lot of suffering through the years. When I was a kid, my dad and I would go mow people’s yards to earn money for dinner. I understand their suffering, probably more suffering than a lot of them.

Having said that, CBS This Morning did a piece on a coal town in West Virginia, and how it went heavily for Trump, and all I could think was that they’re going to get screwed by the person they voted for. The story even mentioned that most of them were on public assistance.

I am half Yankee and half Belle. So I understand.

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Anymouse  Nov 13, 2016 • 10:30:09am

re: #620 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

End off the world? Texas community plans $300 million luxury underground bunker to ride out Doomsday

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The Raw Story page comes up entirely blank for me (except the headline).

However, an Internet search yielded a bunch of sites all reporting the same, with no attributions and precisely the same text. For example:

valdostadailytimes.com

DALLAS (AP) — A Texas investor group is planning for a doomsday scenario by building a $300 million luxury community replete with underground homes and air-lock blast doors designed for people worried about a dirty bomb or other disaster.

The Trident Lakes community has begun with a flourish northeast of Dallas near the Oklahoma border: A statue of Poseidon, the Greek god of the sea, holding a golden trident will stand some 50 feet above a massive fountain billed as one of the largest in the world.

Subtlety won’t do for Texas.

This has the smell of a hoax that the stenographers media didn’t bother to follow up.

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Varek Raith  Nov 13, 2016 • 10:32:30am

I don’t like how some progressives are trying to deflect the election into being about economic hardships and anxiety for why we lost.
I’m white.
I’m poor.
Yet, I didn’t lose my fucking mind and vote for Trump.
Why did they?
/Rhetorical

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BigPapa  Nov 13, 2016 • 10:33:42am

re: #629 Belafon

Does he actually have power to ask federal employees to sign NDAs?

He truly doesn’t understand the way this works. Or he does and doesn’t give a shit.

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Anymouse  Nov 13, 2016 • 10:33:43am

re: #644 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

there was I time when I admired him for standing up to people who gave him a hard time for appointing a Muslim judge. I at least found him a GOP candidate worth consideration…but not for very long

Stood up to uppity teachers too, with not-so-nice language.

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Edge of a dream AKA Cankles Mccellulite  Nov 13, 2016 • 10:35:36am

re: #650 Belafon

This white man has done a lot of suffering through the years. When I was a kid, my dad and I would go mow people’s yards to earn money for dinner. I understand their suffering, probably more suffering than a lot of them.

Having said that, CBS This Morning did a piece on a coal town in West Virginia, and how it went heavily for Trump, and all I could think was that they’re going to get screwed by the person they voted for. The story even mentioned that most of them were on public assistance.

Trust me when I tell. you. I have defended white American men in Asia , Europe, south America. I have been your biggest defender.

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Anymouse  Nov 13, 2016 • 10:36:23am

re: #648 Edge of a dream AKA Cankles Mccellulite

I love all men. Trust me. But give me a break.

Okay. You get ten minutes. /s

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Amory Blaine  Nov 13, 2016 • 10:36:55am

Rage is a good motivator. An unrelenting campaign against the rich might work for progressives.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 13, 2016 • 10:36:59am

re: #651 Targetpractice

Oh yes, the last four days have been a long procession of media stories about how we need to stop being so mean to Trump voters, we need to understand their plight, their “anxiety,” and how we need to join hands with them and sing “Kumbaya”…until they slap us across the face and call us a “faggot.”

Yeah fuck that. We try being nice to them. We really do. Our elected officials are the first to support aid when their areas are hit by natural disasters. Can’t say the same about their officials when our areas are hit. I remember the attitude by the Steve Kings of the world when Sandy happened and I’ll never forget it. I’ve had enough of feeling sorry for them when they have never made a real effort to try to understand our values at all. So no, I’m not going to play nice with people who assume I’m out to get theri guns because they have fallen for the same NRA lies for decades or that think I’m out to criminalize their religion because I believe in marriage equality or that I support terrorism and crime because I support immigrants being treaetd with respect. Hell no.

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jaunte  Nov 13, 2016 • 10:37:44am

re: #653 Anymouse

So far they’ve built a driveway and part of a big fountain.
ntxe-news.com

But the company behind it (Vintuary Holdings Corp) has 10 employees and estimated annual revenues of $321,055.

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Edge of a dream AKA Cankles Mccellulite  Nov 13, 2016 • 10:37:49am

re: #658 Anymouse

Okay. You get ten minutes. /s

Ok, you and me are going to meet over some drinks.

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Weaselone  Nov 13, 2016 • 10:38:18am

re: #650 Belafon

Having said that, CBS This Morning did a piece on a coal town in West Virginia, and how it went heavily for Trump, and all I could think was that they’re going to get screwed by the person they voted for. The story even mentioned that most of them were on public assistance.

Right. Because time after time they vote for the candidate that says they will bring the coal jobs back by getting rid of those pesky regulations. It’s a pleasant dream and I suspect deep down that these people do not actually believe it.

Deep down they just want what was to come back, to live as they always live. A plan to create jobs in some other field, funds for technical training, etc. just does not offer the ability to live as their father’s and grandfathers and grandfather’s fathers did. The other part of this is that job retraining and technical skill development likely spells the death of these communities as assuredly and possibly even more quickly than the coal industry burning up and blowing a way. The newly skilled and retrained workers will in many cases still need to relocate, possibly to cities like so many members of the community already have.

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BeachDem  Nov 13, 2016 • 10:38:51am

re: #654 Varek Raith

I don’t like how some progressives are trying to deflect the election into being about economic hardships and anxiety for why we lost.
I’m white.
I’m poor.
Yet, I didn’t lose my fucking mind and vote for Trump.
Why did they?
/Rhetorical

From the progs’ views I’ve read (mostly at kos) it goes like this:
1. It was all about economic hardships and anxiety
2. BERNIE was all about econominc hardships and anxiety
3. If we’d nominated BERNIE, we would have won
4. Hillary is the debil

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Belafon  Nov 13, 2016 • 10:39:15am

re: #657 Edge of a dream AKA Cankles Mccellulite

Trust me when I tell. you. I have defended white American men in Asia , Europe, south America. I have been your biggest defender.

I didn’t mean to imply I was getting onto you.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 13, 2016 • 10:39:19am

re: #654 Varek Raith

I don’t like how some progressives are trying to deflect the election into being about economic hardships and anxiety for why we lost.
I’m white.
I’m poor.
Yet, I didn’t lose my fucking mind and vote for Trump.
Why did they?
/Rhetorical

As a matter of fact, I was unemployed for most of the Obama’s second term. Did I blame minorities for that? I understand people are frustrated about lost jobs but we don’t need to lie to them or patronize them, we need to be honest with them. Immigrants aren’t taking your jobs. The trade deals you hate were supported equally by the same party you’re going for. And the mines and steel mills started closing years ago before Hillary and Obama could even vote. Economies change. There aer solutions but you have to understand that things like green energy are part of the future and shitting on environmentalists isn’t a way to do it.

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JasonA  Nov 13, 2016 • 10:40:37am

Edit: NM, I didn’t notice the date

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Amory Blaine  Nov 13, 2016 • 10:40:43am

We’ve been spoiled by 8 years of Obama. All he did was throw a wrench in the works. Trump is the natural progression of america. A country filled with greedy pigs.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 13, 2016 • 10:40:55am

re: #664 BeachDem

From the progs’ views I’ve read (mostly at kos) it goes like this:
1. It was all about economic hardships and anxiety
2. BERNIE was all about econominc hardships and anxiety
3. If we’d nominated BERNIE, we would have won
4. Hillary is the debil

Bernie if he were the nominee would have been called an out of touch socialist from a predominately white state and I hate saying it but there may be some validity to that and if I’m thinking that, I can’t imagine what some people who aren’t staunch Democratic voters might think. I said it last night but I think Bernie lives in a bigger bubble than the party elites his base despises. That Roll Call article about “Real America” by an Ohio born guy was spot goddamn on.

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Edge of a dream AKA Cankles Mccellulite  Nov 13, 2016 • 10:41:18am

re: #665 Belafon

I didn’t mean to imply I was getting onto you.

I know. I have too much respect for you to imply that.

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Amory Blaine  Nov 13, 2016 • 10:41:32am

re: #667 JasonA

That’s an old article. I’m sure he’s flipped 8 or 9 times since then.

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Belafon  Nov 13, 2016 • 10:42:19am

re: #655 BigPapa

Does he actually have power to ask federal employees to sign NDAs?

He truly doesn’t understand the way this works. Or he does and doesn’t give a shit.

He doesn’t have the power if someone stops him from using it.

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JasonA  Nov 13, 2016 • 10:42:21am

re: #671 Amory Blaine

That’s an old article. I’m sure he’s flipped 8 or 9 times since then.

Yeah, I noticed that and deleted it fast. You were just too damn quick for me!

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HappyWarrior  Nov 13, 2016 • 10:43:24am

Sorry, I’m not trying to “pick” on Bernie but it’s a natural reflex when his diehards crap on Clinton and her supporters and do this bs about “economic frustration” being why Clinton lost. Clinton lost because a lot of those white blue collar workers that the Sanders campaign thought were up for the taking have a lot of hate in their hearts. It’s sad and man I hate saying it because I’m descended from those types but it’s true.

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BeachDem  Nov 13, 2016 • 10:43:30am

re: #660 HappyWarrior

Yeah fuck that. We try being nice to them. We really do. Our elected officials are the first to support aid when their areas are hit by natural disasters. Can’t say the same about their officials when our areas are hit. I remember the attitude by the Steve Kings of the world when Sandy happened and I’ll never forget it…

You don’t even have to go as far inland as Steve King to find asshole Republicans who were against Sandy relief. South by dog carolina is obviously a hurricane-prone state and our Republican assholes voted against it.

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Anymouse  Nov 13, 2016 • 10:43:46am

re: #646 Edge of a dream AKA Cankles Mccellulite

Apparently, The liberal media thinks I need to try to understand the suffering white man.

I’ve suffered.

I was made a war orphan when I was seven.

I had my college benefits stripped by the VA because I was declared “unemployable” due to epilepsy.

I was homeless for eleven years.

None of that convinced me to vote for Mr. Trump. None of my angst taught me to hate my fellow American neighbours.

All of that convinced me I need to work for a USA that works for all, even if my wife has to share me with you. /s

I envision an America that works for as many as possible, an America that values the contributions of all, whether a billionaire entrepreneur such as Elon Musk, or a homeless vet who is simply trying to find his next meal, or an immigrant trying to find that “shining city on the hill” to improve her life.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 13, 2016 • 10:43:56am

re: #655 BigPapa

Does he actually have power to ask federal employees to sign NDAs?

He truly doesn’t understand the way this works. Or he does and doesn’t give a shit.

He does not seem to grasp the notion that everything he says or does in the White House is a matter of public record, hence his announcement that he will not be residing there full-time.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 13, 2016 • 10:43:58am

I said this the other day - the white folks in the rural and exurban counties who we’re supposed to understand and sympathize with? Their problems are really just the same as everyone else’s. We’re all in the same goddam boat.

The world keeps changing and the jobs that may have sustained generations were never going to last forever. That’s true of the little shoe factory in a small town, and the enormous steel mill in a big city.

The city I work in, South San Francisco, used to have a steel plant. Fabrication, I think, not steelmaking. On a prominent hillside, which you can see all the way from the airport, it announces “South San Francisco The Industrial City” Guess what? All that industry left. There will never be another steel plant there. Instead, another industry grew - Biotech. Now, on the East side of 101, you can’t throw a rock without hitting a Biotech company. The city saw its old industry dying, so it promoted the nascent Biotech industry.

This is how the future is going to play out, and it probably won’t bring back jobs to the small towns. And that’s too bad, but it’s the truth. Populations adjust, they move to where the jobs are. 150 years ago, 90% of the population farmed, so they lived in the country. Now, it’s 1%. The population distribution changed, which is to say people had to move. And that, too was too bad, but it was the truth.

Manufacturing jobs that pay a good middle class income, enough to buy a house and send the kids to college? Those are gone. Some moved offshore, but mostly they simply vanished because of automation. Coal mining jobs also went away, because deep mining is too expensive, and because there are cheaper sources of energy. Even if we ever went back to the same levels of production, we’d employ far fewer people.

So on the one hand Hillary got raked over the coals(haha) for saying the coal jobs aren’t coming back, so we need to provide training so that the folks who won’t get THOSE jobs back can get others. And on the other you have Trump promising to undo history. How do you appeal to people who choose the comforting lie over the hard truth with the promise/offer to help find a better future?

But what I keep running into is that sure, maybe the “Coastal Elites” need to understand those folks, but THEY need to understand US. We’re not smarter, or better, but we have experiences they don’t. We have Muslim friends, Latino friends, Black friends, LGBT friends. We know they’re just people like us. They want the same things as us. They don’t want to make us like them, they want to be allowed to be themselves.

How can we bridge that experience gap? People in monocultural areas will always be prone to xenophobia, and under the stress of lost hope, blaming people you don’t know is easy. But it’s not the way forward.

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Jebediah, RBG  Nov 13, 2016 • 10:44:00am

re: #284 Nyet

I did not imagine what a handsome devil you are!

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Edge of a dream AKA Cankles Mccellulite  Nov 13, 2016 • 10:44:06am

I just worked out for 3 hours. . No one should ever work out that long.

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JasonA  Nov 13, 2016 • 10:44:47am

We are so so fucked.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 13, 2016 • 10:45:09am

re: #675 BeachDem

You don’t even have to go as far inland as Steve King to find asshole Republicans who were against Sandy relief. South by dog carolina is obviously a hurricane-prone state and our Republican assholes voted against it.

Yep and then when y’all got hit, guess who supported disaster relief? I’m proud of that. I have no regrets at all about our President and party members supporting disaster relief no matter where it hits because a disaster that hits any of our states or regions is a disaster that hits all of us. Too abd the party of “Family Values” doesn’t get that because they’er too busy caring more about trans gendered people going ot the bathroom.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Nov 13, 2016 • 10:45:27am

re: #651 Targetpractice

Oh yes, the last four days have been a long procession of media stories about how we need to stop being so mean to Trump voters, we need to understand their plight, their “anxiety,” and how we need to join hands with them and sing “Kumbaya”…until they slap us across the face and call us a “faggot.”

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Edge of a dream AKA Cankles Mccellulite  Nov 13, 2016 • 10:45:38am

re: #676 Anymouse

I’ve suffered.

I was made a war orphan when I was seven.

I had my college benefits stripped by the VA because I was declared “unemployable” due to epilepsy.

I was homeless for eleven years.

None of that convinced me to vote for Mr. Trump. None of my angst taught me to hate my fellow American neighbours.

All of that convinced me I need to work for a USA that works for all, even if my wife has to share me with you. /s

I envision an America that works for as many as possible, an America that values the contributions of all, whether a billionaire entrepreneur such as Elon Musk, or a homeless vet who is simply trying to find his next meal, or an immigrant trying to find that “shining city on the hill” to improve her life.

Can I hug you please. …Please?

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 13, 2016 • 10:46:51am

re: #620 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

End off the world? Texas community plans $300 million luxury underground bunker to ride out Doomsday

[Embedded content]

Is there a Damien Dahrk on the Board of Directors?

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Anymouse  Nov 13, 2016 • 10:46:53am

re: #661 jaunte

So far they’ve built a driveway and part of a big fountain.
ntxe-news.com

But the company behind it (Vintuary Holdings Corp) has 10 employees and estimated annual revenues of $321,055.

Libertaira-grift. So many Libertarians seem to fall for nonsensical schemes which mostly exist to take their money …

This supposed “sanctuary” is planned to have a golf course. In some hellscape apocalyptic post-nuclear world.

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Amory Blaine  Nov 13, 2016 • 10:47:10am

The average (white) worker gives no shit for you or your neighbors good health or fortune. On the contrary. Jesus, am I the only one who works and lives with Ayn Rand assholes? Cause I gotta tell you, love doesn’t motivate people. Hate does.

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JasonA  Nov 13, 2016 • 10:47:30am
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freetoken  Nov 13, 2016 • 10:48:10am

More on the WWE - Trump connection:

Back in 2012/2013, WWE had a pair of characters based off of the Tea Party rhetoric, and I noted them in a Page:

Zeb Colter and Jack Swagger break kayfabe to educate, taunt wingnut Glenn Beck

The manager Zeb Colter was played by long-time wrestling personality Dutch Mantell. Mantell was recently interviewed, and he revealed something very interesting:

The 2013 pro wrestling promo that Donald Trump said he liked which ended up perhaps inspiring his entire Presidential campaign

Dutch Mantel (a/k/a Zeb Colter) told me earlier this year on the July 14 episode of the PWTorch Livecast that Donald Trump owes him because he lifted his campaign speeches from his WrestleMania 29 promo.

“I got a bone to pick with Donald Trump,” he told me. “At WrestleMania 29 in New Jersey, I went out in front of 82,000 people - it was Jack Swagger vs. Alberto Del Rio. And Donald Trump was there. After the match, I didn’t know he was there, but I sat down in the viewing area. A match or two later, Donald Trump walked in the viewing area with his daughter and his two sons. He walked up to me and tapped me on the shoulder and I looked up and it’s Donald Trump. He stuck out his hand and we started shakings hands and he said, ‘I really, really enjoyed your speech. It was fantastic.’ Then he walked off. And then I got to thinking when he started running, what he did is he stole my gimmick. He just renamed it ‘Make America Great again’ instead of ‘We the People.’ I think he owes me. He needs to Tweet my name or something. I need some sort of recognition for helping him out.”

[…]

Yes, Trump is a wrestling gimmick.

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jaunte  Nov 13, 2016 • 10:48:31am

re: #686 Anymouse

Looks like a condo-builder with a big imagination who thinks a giant fountain will be enough to get people to move to Ector, Tx.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 13, 2016 • 10:48:38am

re: #678 Blind Frog Belly White

I said this the other day - the white folks in the rural and exurban counties who we’re supposed to understand and sympathize with? Their problems are really just the same as everyone else’s. We’re all in the same goddam boat.

The world keeps changing and the jobs that may have sustained generations were never going to last forever. That’s true of the little shoe factory in a small town, and the enormous steel mill in a big city.

The city I work in, South San Francisco, used to have a steel plant. Fabrication, I think, not steelmaking. On a prominent hillside, which you can see all the way from the airport, it announces “South San Francisco The Industrial City” Guess what? All that industry left. There will never be another steel plant there. Instead, another industry grew - Biotech. Now, on the East side of 101, you can’t throw a rock without hitting a Biotech company. The city saw its old industry dying, so it promoted the nascent Biotech industry.

This is how the future is going to play out, and it probably won’t bring back jobs to the small towns. And that’s too bad, but it’s the truth. Populations adjust, they move to where the jobs are. 150 years ago, 90% of the population farmed, so they lived in the country. Now, it’s 1%. The population distribution changed, which is to say people had to move. And that, too was too bad, but it was the truth.

Manufacturing jobs that pay a good middle class income, enough to buy a house and send the kids to college? Those are gone. Some moved offshore, but mostly they simply vanished because of automation. Coal mining jobs also went away, because deep mining is too expensive, and because there are cheaper sources of energy. Even if we ever went back to the same levels of production, we’d employ far fewer people.

So on the one hand Hillary got raked over the coals(haha) for saying the coal jobs aren’t coming back, so we need to provide training so that the folks who won’t get THOSE jobs back can get others. And on the other you have Trump promising to undo history. How do you appeal to people who choose the comforting lie over the hard truth with the promise/offer to help find a better future?

But what I keep running into is that sure, maybe the “Coastal Elites” need to understand those folks, but THEY need to understand US. We’re not smarter, or better, but we have experiences they don’t. We have Muslim friends, Latino friends, Black friends, LGBT friends. We know they’re just people like us. They want the same things as us. They don’t want to make us like them, they want to be allowed to be themselves.

How can we bridge that experience gap? People in monocultural areas will always be prone to xenophobia, and under the stress of lost hope, blaming people you don’t know is easy. But it’s not the way forward.

Brooklyn famously had a big naval yard too and was a big Clinton area as well and has rebuilt itself too. Industries come and go. When my first relatives from Ireland came to this country, they worked in iron works. As iron declined and steel rose, the men found new lines of work. Honestly and I’m pretty much quoting my grandmother whose father was a coal miner directly here but she doesn’t get why anyone would want to go back to the mines. Her husband, my grandfather saw that the mines were hard on the health of his father and father in law. He saw a future for himself in construction and brick masonry. Ended up making a good living. NOt wealthy by any means but a good life and lived a good one.

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Targetpractice  Nov 13, 2016 • 10:49:30am

re: #654 Varek Raith

I don’t like how some progressives are trying to deflect the election into being about economic hardships and anxiety for why we lost.
I’m white.
I’m poor.
Yet, I didn’t lose my fucking mind and vote for Trump.
Why did they?
/Rhetorical

When we’re in a time of economic hardship, we tend to drop the color barriers and talk about how everybody’s suffering and everybody needs help. We’re willing to accept any help we can get, no matter who is offering it, to get back on our feet.

But in times of economic plenty, we immediately become greedy and choosy. We start to wonder why “those people” are getting help and we’re not. We look for reasons to believe that we’re getting the short end of the stick. And so politicians who offer us more than “those people” find greater appeal.

Let’s be honest, Bernie appealed to a lot of the same people that Trump did. You watched his rallies, you looked in on his town halls, you saw audiences that were about as white as those Trump had surrounding him. The difference was Bernie was attracting people who thought that the money needed to be spread around equally, while Trump attracted those who thought the money was being spread around too much.

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Varek Raith  Nov 13, 2016 • 10:49:40am

re: #661 jaunte

So far they’ve built a driveway and part of a big fountain.
ntxe-news.com

But the company behind it has 10 employees and estimated annual revenues of $321,055.
buzzfile.com

Vault-Tec they are not.

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Edge of a dream AKA Cankles Mccellulite  Nov 13, 2016 • 10:49:52am

Put fork in me. I’m done.

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Amory Blaine  Nov 13, 2016 • 10:50:05am

It wasn’t love that motivated america to invade Iraq. It was a quenching of a blood thirst, no matter the guilt.

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Belafon  Nov 13, 2016 • 10:50:24am

Since I’m thinking about automated trucking, an interesting observation popped into my head. A big reason Republicans can get away with “foreigners are taking away your jobs” is that the automation is hiding away in buildings and no one can see it actually going on. Trying to claim that “foreigners are taking your trucking jobs” as an automated truck drives by won’t quite work as well. Now, I know some people will be fooled - they’ll claim it’s true right after marveling at the truck staying on its route - but it’ll be a lot easier to point at the roads.

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Anymouse  Nov 13, 2016 • 10:51:20am

re: #684 Edge of a dream AKA Cankles Mccellulite

Can I hug you please. …Please?

Only if I can hug you back. My wife wants a hug too, by the way. We share here. /s

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Edge of a dream AKA Cankles Mccellulite  Nov 13, 2016 • 10:51:27am

I cant even use verbs properly anymore.

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Stanley Sea  Nov 13, 2016 • 10:51:43am

re: #681 JasonA

We are so so fucked.

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Sherlock Hound  Nov 13, 2016 • 10:51:57am

re: #686 Anymouse

Libertaira-grift. So many Libertarians seem to fall for nonsensical schemes which mostly exist to take their money …

This supposed “sanctuary” is planned to have a golf course. In some hellscape apocalyptic post-nuclear world.

Watch out for the craters. Radioactive water hazard on hole 14. Hole 6 is skipped after the last foursome all died of leukemia.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Nov 13, 2016 • 10:52:29am

re: #678 Blind Frog Belly White

I’m trying to convince a friend of mine in Nebraska (Norfolk, I think?) to allow me to explain Islam and its history to the Church she is a part of.

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Edge of a dream AKA Cankles Mccellulite  Nov 13, 2016 • 10:52:30am

re: #697 Anymouse

Only if I can hug you back. My wife wants a hug too, by the way. We share here. /s

Thank you. and tell her I said thank you.

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DuckDharma  Nov 13, 2016 • 10:52:42am

Here is the clip from 60 Minutes on the wall/deportations
gothamist.com

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Varek Raith  Nov 13, 2016 • 10:53:20am

I’ve always been fascinated by people who want to survive a nuclear holocaust.
Yeah, no thanks.

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darthstar  Nov 13, 2016 • 10:53:26am
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Amory Blaine  Nov 13, 2016 • 10:53:42am

A community that erects a 50 foot gold statue in a state filled with poor children should be taxed until they learn some fucking humility.

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Belafon  Nov 13, 2016 • 10:53:58am

re: #688 JasonA

Maybe we should include the Start of David, or the gay pride flag, with it.

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darthstar  Nov 13, 2016 • 10:55:08am

One of the advantages of winning…you don’t have to be honest about why it happened.

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Anymouse  Nov 13, 2016 • 10:55:36am

re: #694 Edge of a dream AKA Cankles Mccellulite

Put fork in me. I’m done.

(poke) (poke)

Still too rare for my taste. Needs moar basting.

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Varek Raith  Nov 13, 2016 • 10:56:07am

re: #708 darthstar

One of the advantages of winning…you don’t have to be honest about why it happened.

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You’re just jealous that you can’t speach.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 13, 2016 • 10:56:14am

re: #701 Ziggy_TARDIS

I’m trying to convince a friend of mine in Nebraska (Norfolk, I think?) to allow me to explain Islam and its history to the Church she is a part of.

We have more in common than we we have differences.

That was the lesson my brother learned, while living in North Carolina, taking part in ‘Racial Reconciliation’ discussions. The biggest discovery was that blacks and whites have the same likes, the same worries, the same hope and dreams. They live side by side and don’t understand this.

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Targetpractice  Nov 13, 2016 • 10:57:39am

A Bernie/Trump race would have followed much the same trajectory, dissolving into an ad hominem fight over who was the least objectionable to voters. Bernie would have attacked Trump as a tool of Wall St. who was a greedy bastard bent on enriching himself, and Trump would have attacked Bernie as an out-of-touch old hippie from New England who had no idea about the plight of workers in “Real America.” Since they were pretty much matched on economics, the distinctions being who they felt the wealth should flow to, it would have devolved into an argument over social issues. And Bernie would have gotten his ass kicked on those because his record was either lackluster or a minefield of politically convenient yet objectionable votes.

Anybody telling you with any level of authority that Bernie would have won against Trump is at best wishfully thinking and at worst absolutely delusional.

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JasonA  Nov 13, 2016 • 10:57:53am
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Charles Johnson  Nov 13, 2016 • 10:58:20am
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Barefoot Grin  Nov 13, 2016 • 10:58:36am

re: #698 Edge of a dream AKA Cankles Mccellulite

I cant even use verbs properly anymore.

I often say “well, fork me!”

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Nov 13, 2016 • 10:58:59am

re: #711 Blind Frog Belly White

She thinks her church might be a bit too traditional for that.

I might be able to provide a point that the Lutherans were at one time supported by the last Caliphate, the Ottomans.

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Varek Raith  Nov 13, 2016 • 10:59:30am

Would love me a Soros check.

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JasonA  Nov 13, 2016 • 10:59:44am

re: #713 JasonA

Does the “Life comes at you fast” meme work as well if you only have one image?

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Anymouse  Nov 13, 2016 • 11:00:57am

re: #698 Edge of a dream AKA Cankles Mccellulite

I cant even use verbs properly anymore.

I use verbs for blurbs; sometimes I use them for curbs.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 13, 2016 • 11:01:54am

re: #716 Ziggy_TARDIS

She thinks her church might be a bit too traditional for that.

I might be able to provide a point that the Lutherans were at one time supported by the last Caliphate, the Ottomans.

We on the spectrum expect people to be swayed by facts. They’re generally not.

I’d caution you that it only takes one asshole in the crowd to mess it up, and prone as you are to anger and lashing out, that one asshole could make the entire enterprise counterproductive.

721
Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 13, 2016 • 11:02:20am

re: #719 Anymouse

I use verbs for blurbs; sometimes I use them for curbs.

Chop them finely, and you can use them as herbs.

722
Ziggy_TARDIS  Nov 13, 2016 • 11:02:34am

re: #720 Blind Frog Belly White

True. I am talking to my Imam on this, and he knows I am a hothead.

723
Anymouse  Nov 13, 2016 • 11:03:22am

re: #721 Blind Frog Belly White

Chop them finely, and you can use them as herbs.

Serbs use herbs as well as verbs and blurbs, so they are interchangeable, ispo facto.

724
Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 13, 2016 • 11:03:45am

re: #712 Targetpractice

A Bernie/Trump race would have followed much the same trajectory, dissolving into an ad hominem fight over who was the least objectionable to voters. Bernie would have attacked Trump as a tool of Wall St. who was a greedy bastard bent on enriching himself, and Trump would have attacked Bernie as an out-of-touch old hippie from New England who had no idea about the plight of workers in “Real America.” Since they were pretty much matched on economics, the distinctions being who they felt the wealth should flow to, it would have devolved into an argument over social issues. And Bernie would have gotten his ass kicked on those because his record was either lackluster or a minefield of politically convenient yet objectionable votes.

Anybody telling you with any level of authority that Bernie would have won against Trump is at best wishfully thinking and at worst absolutely delusional.

It’s like I said yesterday - counterfactuals are stupid because under different circumstances, different things happen.

725
Barefoot Grin  Nov 13, 2016 • 11:04:22am

re: #717 Varek Raith

Would love me a Soros check.

Soros, whose wealth was derived from his father’s work building oil refineries for Stalin and whose father was a founding member of the John Birch Society… Oh, wait….

726
Varek Raith  Nov 13, 2016 • 11:05:03am

re: #725 Barefoot Grin

Soros, whose wealth was derived from his father’s work building oil refineries for Stalin and whose father was a founding member of the John Birch Society… Oh, wait….

Haha, boom.

727
JasonA  Nov 13, 2016 • 11:06:39am

oh my god

I just checked it. This is true. If you search for Final Election Numbers google.com

THE TOP RESULT IS A FUCKING WORDPRESS BLOG

728
Anymouse  Nov 13, 2016 • 11:08:36am

re: #727 JasonA

How does one tell Google they are promoting counterfactual information?

Oh wait. They don’t have a reporting method, because all they care about is clicks.

729
TedStriker  Nov 13, 2016 • 11:08:49am

re: #712 Targetpractice

A Bernie/Trump race would have followed much the same trajectory, dissolving into an ad hominem fight over who was the least objectionable to voters. Bernie would have attacked Trump as a tool of Wall St. who was a greedy bastard bent on enriching himself, and Trump would have attacked Bernie as an out-of-touch old hippie from New England who had no idea about the plight of workers in “Real America.” Since they were pretty much matched on economics, the distinctions being who they felt the wealth should flow to, it would have devolved into an argument over social issues. And Bernie would have gotten his ass kicked on those because his record was either lackluster or a minefield of politically convenient yet objectionable votes.

Anybody telling you with any level of authority that Bernie would have won against Trump is at best wishfully thinking and at worst absolutely delusional.

One tiny detail: the race would up being all about personalities and enthusiasm, as much as a referendum on bigotry, racism, and sexism. Hillary or Bernie, it ultimately wouldn’t have mattered against Trump.

We know who won, in just the right way to prevail.

730
Edge of a dream AKA Cankles Mccellulite  Nov 13, 2016 • 11:11:21am

re: #676 Anymouse

I’ve suffered.

I was made a war orphan when I was seven.

I had my college benefits stripped by the VA because I was declared “unemployable” due to epilepsy.

I was homeless for eleven years.

None of that convinced me to vote for Mr. Trump. None of my angst taught me to hate my fellow American neighbours.

All of that convinced me I need to work for a USA that works for all, even if my wife has to share me with you. /s

I envision an America that works for as many as possible, an America that values the contributions of all, whether a billionaire entrepreneur such as Elon Musk, or a homeless vet who is simply trying to find his next meal, or an immigrant trying to find that “shining city on the hill” to improve her life.

Trust me. I could tell you my story. …I know. You have my respect.

731
HappyWarrior  Nov 13, 2016 • 11:11:35am

re: #725 Barefoot Grin

Soros, whose wealth was derived from his father’s work building oil refineries for Stalin and whose father was a founding member of the John Birch Society… Oh, wait….

Zing.

732
Ziggy_TARDIS  Nov 13, 2016 • 11:12:21am

So, Glenn Beck said this:

“If our Mr. Trump, or any future president, should decide to round up Muslims (or any group) as America did with Japanese during World War II under Franklin D. Roosevelt, I will declare, ‘I am a Muslim.’ My values, honor, integrity and the Bill of Rights demand I stand for those most unlike me — that is when it counts.” -Glenn Beck

What happened?

733
Feline Fearless Leader  Nov 13, 2016 • 11:13:11am

Up at 5:30am today and left house at 6:30 to meet friend at 7:30am to walk along the Delaware River. Did an 8 mile loop that included a stop halfway for a croissant and a cup of coffee. Lugged the camera along since early morning light and autumn leaves was going to generate some good photo subjects.

Frosty Leaves

And we stumbled into the middle of the Bucks County Marathon.

Marathon being run along the towpath
Large Pigeons in New Hope, PA*
Something about runners I guess

Birds and such along the canal and river as well. Which included this particular specimen.

Male Wood Duck

* - Those are not pigeons. They are Turkey Vultures.

734
Archangelus  Nov 13, 2016 • 11:13:48am

re: #732 Ziggy_TARDIS

So, Glenn Beck said this:

What happened?

Anyone check the temperature in hell? Pretty sure they’ve just hit Absolute Zero… /

735
CuriousLurker  Nov 13, 2016 • 11:15:28am

re: #701 Ziggy_TARDIS

I’m trying to convince a friend of mine in Nebraska (Norfolk, I think?) to allow me to explain Islam and its history to the Church she is a part of.

re: #720 Blind Frog Belly White

I’d caution you that it only takes one asshole in the crowd to mess it up, and prone as you are to anger and lashing out, that one asshole could make the entire enterprise counterproductive.

THIS. I was just going to caution the same thing: Unless you’re trained in public speaking and/or have sufficient knowledge to answer questions about Islam that may come out of left field, avoid it. If you state something that’s incorrect or lose control of the situation (or yourself) you could do far more harm than good.

I know you want to help, Ziggy_TARDIS, but please find a less risky way of doing so, like approaching people one-on-one. If you’re not comfortable with a one-on-one approach, then you’re not going to be good with a crowd either.

736
JasonA  Nov 13, 2016 • 11:16:35am

I don’t know what is happening anymore.

737
Anymouse  Nov 13, 2016 • 11:17:27am

re: #730 Edge of a dream AKA Cankles Mccellulite

Trust me. I could tell you my story. …I know. You have my respect.

I would be interested if you were willing to tell it. On the other hand, if you are not willing, then I certainly don’t want to drag it out of you.

(I ain’t telling most of my story on a public forum, just sayin’)

738
CuriousLurker  Nov 13, 2016 • 11:17:58am

re: #734 Archangelus

Anyone check the temperature in hell? Pretty sure they’ve just hit Absolute Zero… /

Yeah, I’m pretty sure I just saw a pig fly past my window…

739
Varek Raith  Nov 13, 2016 • 11:20:29am

re: #738 CuriousLurker

Yeah, I’m pretty sure I just saw a pig fly past my window…

This may help explain a bit;
thedailybanter.com

740
Ziggy_TARDIS  Nov 13, 2016 • 11:20:49am

re: #735 CuriousLurker

I’m good with one on one.

I do have trouble in front of crowds, and start stuttering. But I feel I have to do something. I have made many people around me have peace towards Islam, so I can do it.

741
Edge of a dream AKA Cankles Mccellulite  Nov 13, 2016 • 11:21:03am

What happens to us who have undocumented Mexican American and legal Muslim American family????

742
HappyWarrior  Nov 13, 2016 • 11:26:03am

re: #732 Ziggy_TARDIS

So, Glenn Beck said this:

What happened?

If Glenn means this, I’m ready to welcome him as an ally against Trump. Doesn’t mean we have to be friends or find common ground on other issues but I’ll welcome anyone who wants to be a sincere voice against Trump. I’ve already told some of my Libertarian friends that I hope we can find some common ground on our opposition to Trump’s criminal justice policies.

743
The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Nov 13, 2016 • 11:29:27am

re: #742 HappyWarrior

If Glenn means this, I’m ready to welcome him as an ally against Trump. Doesn’t mean we have to be friends or find common ground on other issues but I’ll welcome anyone who wants to be a sincere voice against Trump. I’ve already told some of my Libertarian friends that I hope we can find some common ground on our opposition to Trump’s criminal justice policies.

I always thought his Mormon conversion was just schtick—but maybe he’s sincere about it and realizes what starts with persecution of Muslims will spread to Mormons eventually.

Basically, if you’re not Southern Baptist—watch out.

744
HappyWarrior  Nov 13, 2016 • 11:32:07am

re: #743 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Ialways thought his Mormon conversion was just schtick—but maybe he’s sincere about it and realizes what starts with persecution of Muslims will spread to Mormons eventually.

Basically, if you’re not Southern Baptist—watch out.

I dunno. But at this point, I’m willing to listen. Now Erick Erickson who immediately has started attacking the people protesting, fuck him, he’ll be defending Trump as soon as Pence starts doing the so-con shit Erick loves but I think Beck could be a potential ally.

745
Edge of a dream AKA Cankles Mccellulite  Nov 13, 2016 • 11:34:41am

Omg.

746
CuriousLurker  Nov 13, 2016 • 11:35:09am

re: #740 Ziggy_TARDIS

I’m good with one on one.

I do have trouble in front of crowds, and start stuttering. But I feel I have to do something. I have made many people around me have peace towards Islam, so I can do it.

Dude, don’t. I obviously can’t stop you, but if you do it you’re going to be representing all Muslims. I’m gonna be blunt: You don’t have sufficient knowledge, Islamically speaking, to guarantee all your answers will be 100% correct, nor do you have the presentation or debate skills that might be needed.

As for crowds, your behavior here with this crowd doesn’t inspire any confidence whatsoever in your ability to pull off representing 1.6 billion people in front of a crowd of followers of a different religion, some of whom may be hostile to you. Hell, I’ve been a practicing Muslim for over 25 years now and I’m comfortable speaking to groups of people, but I would NOT attempt to go speak at a church, not in a touchy situation like the current one. I know my limits and know full well I don’t have the chops for it.

747
CuriousLurker  Nov 13, 2016 • 11:36:20am

re: #739 Varek Raith

This may help explain a bit;
thedailybanter.com

Thanks.

748
Edge of a dream AKA Cankles Mccellulite  Nov 13, 2016 • 11:36:59am

That’s all I have to say. OMG.


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