Donald Trump Calls Conspiracy-Monger Alex Jones to Thank Him, Promises to Go on His Show Soon

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For the past decade I’ve been watching in horror as the conservative movement grew closer and closer to the conspiracy-peddling lunacy of Alex Jones and his InfoWars website. Matt Drudge added a permanent link to InfoWars on Drudge Report; Rand Paul made numerous appearances on the Alex Jones radio and Internet shows; right wing bloggers began routinely citing the bizarre and frequently false stories that appeared on Jones’ websites.

And in this campaign season, Donald Trump, his sons, and numerous advisers frequently tweeted links to posts at InfoWars and PrisonPlanet, Jones’ two main sites.

Now tonight, Alex Jones says president-elect Donald Trump called him personally to thank him for his support during the election — and promised to appear on his conspiracy-mongering show soon to thank the Alex Jones audience.

A deranged conspiracy-monger will now have the ear of the President of the United States, folks. This is the kind of connection that used to be considered a complete disqualifier for holding high office. Now…

This just keeps getting more nightmarish.

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696 comments

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teleskiguy  Nov 13, 2016 • 8:58:21pm
2
retired cynic  Nov 13, 2016 • 8:59:42pm

re: #1 teleskiguy

Has it been 8 years??? I’m old….

3
austin_blue  Nov 13, 2016 • 9:02:04pm

Does that man look 42 years old? Does he sound 42 years old? Maybe hate does that to you.

He’s an evil little troll. He’s a shit stain on the underwear of humanity.

Drumpf on his show? Perfect! Please proceed.

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teleskiguy  Nov 13, 2016 • 9:02:38pm

re: #2 retired cynic

It has been over eight years.

I still cherish a personal irony involving George Carlin: I found out that he had passed on Fox News.

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retired cynic  Nov 13, 2016 • 9:03:31pm

re: #4 teleskiguy

It has been over eight years.

I still cherish a personal irony involving George Carlin: I found out that he had passed on Fox News.

And you get to tweet with Kelly, right?

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HappyWarrior  Nov 13, 2016 • 9:03:38pm

re: #3 austin_blue

Does that man look 42 years old? Does he sound 42 years old? Maybe hate does that to you.

He’s an evil little troll. He’s a shit stain on the underwear of humanity.

Drumpf on his show? Perfect! Please proceed.

I like to joke he’s Limbaugh’s long lost son. TBH, I can’t believe he’s that young too. Doesn’t look or sound healthy st all.

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Lancelot Link  Nov 13, 2016 • 9:03:42pm

re: #1 teleskiguy

I wonder how many people use Carlin to rationalize why they didn’t bother to vote.

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teleskiguy  Nov 13, 2016 • 9:04:21pm

re: #5 retired cynic

And you get to tweet with Kelly, right?

Kelly *follows* me! Has for a couple of years now.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 13, 2016 • 9:04:29pm

re: #2 retired cynic

Has it been 8 years??? I’m old….

I can’t help but to wonder what George would say about all this.

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Charles Johnson  Nov 13, 2016 • 9:04:47pm

Wow. My tweet about the LA protest march was just retweeted by Lady Gaga.

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Belafon  Nov 13, 2016 • 9:05:10pm

re: #3 austin_blue

Does that man look 42 years old? Does he sound 42 years old? Maybe hate does that to you.

He’s an evil little troll. He’s a shit stain on the underwear of humanity.

Drumpf on his show? Perfect! Please proceed.

He really is the worst part of this whole thing. Oh, the rest of them are going to screw things up, but he’s really set to go after people. He’s bent on destroying everything.

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retired cynic  Nov 13, 2016 • 9:05:30pm

re: #10 Charles Johnson

Wow. My tweet about the LA protest march was just retweeted by Lady Gaga.

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Can we touch the hem of your garment?

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Charles Johnson  Nov 13, 2016 • 9:05:38pm

64 million followers. Oh man. My mentions are gonna be nuts tomorrow morning.

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teleskiguy  Nov 13, 2016 • 9:05:55pm

re: #7 Lancelot Link

I wonder how many people use Carlin to rationalize why they didn’t bother to vote.

I want to ask his daughter Kelly this! But I won’t. Kelly is going to great lengths to distance herself from her father on social media.

Maybe later …

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HappyWarrior  Nov 13, 2016 • 9:06:51pm

re: #13 Charles Johnson

64 million followers. Oh man. My mentions are gonna be nuts tomorrow morning.

Positive Karma, I bet Gaga’s fans are much nicer than Lowry’s.

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teleskiguy  Nov 13, 2016 • 9:07:16pm

re: #10 Charles Johnson

Dude, Lada Gaga has a zillion Twitter followers!

Hey UpChuck, you see this shit you fuckin’ floor-shitting failure?

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retired cynic  Nov 13, 2016 • 9:08:35pm

re: #16 teleskiguy

Dude, Lada Gaga has a zillion Twitter followers!

Hey UpChuck, you see this shit you fuckin’ floor-shitting failure?

Irrelevant.

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teleskiguy  Nov 13, 2016 • 9:09:45pm

re: #17 retired cynic

Irrelevant.

IRRELLLEVANNTTT!!!!
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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Nov 13, 2016 • 9:12:15pm

Now we’re getting meta and I love it.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 13, 2016 • 9:12:25pm

Shit it just hit me Obama’s first year was the summer I was in Ireland. So many people excited and curious about our new president. I’m planning on going to Germany and the Netherlands next summer. I’m expecting a lot of questions.

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Lancelot Link  Nov 13, 2016 • 9:13:13pm

“I agreed with about 90% of what George Carlin had to say”
-Alex Jones

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TedStriker  Nov 13, 2016 • 9:13:56pm

re: #21 Lancelot Link

“I agreed with about 90% of what George Carlin had to say”
-Alex Jones

Fuck Jones in his stanky-ass ear hole…

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HappyWarrior  Nov 13, 2016 • 9:16:50pm

re: #19 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Now we’re getting meta and I love it.

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The Obama-Biden partnership may go down as one of the best between a president and his VP. There’s not just respect between these two guys but a lot of warmth. I hope they still hang out in retirement. I’m really happy that Biden after a wonderful life of public service will be able to spend time with his family full time. If anyone deserves a great retirement, it’s him.

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We're Way Beyond Snark  Nov 13, 2016 • 9:18:08pm

re: #20 HappyWarrior

Shit it just hit me Obama’s first year was the summer I was in Ireland. So many people excited and curious about our new president. I’m planning on going to Germany and the Netherlands next summer. I’m expecting a lot of questions.

“Don’t blame me, I’m from California.” (I travel abroad too.)

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Lancelot Link  Nov 13, 2016 • 9:18:57pm

re: #24 We’re Way Beyond Snark

“Don’t blame me, I’m from California.” (I travel abroad too.)

Had to say that a lot in March 2003

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HappyWarrior  Nov 13, 2016 • 9:19:30pm

re: #24 We’re Way Beyond Snark

“Don’t blame me, I’m from California.” (I travel abroad too.)

I have a non regional accent, brilliant!

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TedStriker  Nov 13, 2016 • 9:19:43pm

Given the events of the past few days, I’m sure that everyone could use a bit of a sanity break (as well as something more uplifting), so here’s a little something from JT:

JAMES TAYLOR - YOU’VE GOT A FRIEND

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Timothy Watson  Nov 13, 2016 • 9:21:24pm

re: #26 HappyWarrior

I have a non regional accent, brilliant!

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN  Nov 13, 2016 • 9:21:57pm

re: #27 TedStriker

Dude, I’m trying to stay awake.

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teleskiguy  Nov 13, 2016 • 9:22:16pm

Lady Gaga retweet.

On Twitter, that’s a big fuckin’ deal.

I’m smug at the moment.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Nov 13, 2016 • 9:22:44pm

re: #26 HappyWarrior

I have a non regional accent, brilliant!

Very few people abroad can recognize American accents anyway.

Hell, a lot of Americans have trouble with regional accents.

…if I practice I can sound Canadian. (Well, the WI/MN accent can be close enough that there’s only a few tells.)

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN  Nov 13, 2016 • 9:24:37pm

re: #31 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Once upon a time, I was watching a Who concert on TV and Roger Daltrey introduces the song “Water” with “..or as they say it in Philadelphia, ‘Wooder’”

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HappyWarrior  Nov 13, 2016 • 9:25:52pm

re: #31 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Very few people abroad can recognize American accents anyway.

Hell, a lot of Americans have trouble with regional accents.

…if I practice I can sound Canadian. (Well, the WI/MN accent can be close enough that there’s only a few tells.)

Yeah that’s true. All my accents I can do are exaggerated anyhow.

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wheat-dogg  Nov 13, 2016 • 9:26:06pm

Downstairs I mentioned a Facebook friend had responded to my blog post about racism under Trump. My WordPress blog automatically posts to my FB TL, so it was only seen by my FB friends. Curiously, when I went to respond to her comment today, I found she had deleted it. I guess I’ll need to answer her privately, but I wanted to share her comment here, to get lizard reactions.

Here’s my blog post for context. wheatdogg.com

Pot calling the kettle black. I read the blog twice just to make sure what you were saying. America has never really been “safe”. Safety is an illusion. Your personal safety is up to you (always be aware of your surroundings).\There have always been racists and there will always be racists. For you to call the 60 million people who voted for Trump, stupid and racist, is somewhat bigoted (racist?) just because they don’t agree with your point of view. BTW I voted for Gary Johnson because he was the only one with a stated platform. Obviously, you didn’t see that those 60 million voters were tired of the same old, same old government where nothing got done or was done by executive orders which were overturned by the Supreme Court (same as nothing getting done). Similar to when Jimmy Carter became president in 1976 because the public wanted someone from outside of Washington DC. (I voted for him.) I, too, am a student of history and Trump’s hate-filled campaign scared me. But Hillary had just too much baggage to be acceptable to all of the country or me. As to what President-Elect Trump’s policies will be, we will all just have to wait and see. Considering that the US is in debt to China for $1.24 TRILLION, I am more concerned about the national debt than China’s economy. True, we are part of the global economy these days where each country is dependent upon the other. Something the new president will soon learn. And, he has already started to scale back the rhetoric.

Another friend commented that America is safe, because his university has some academics from a Chinese uni visiting and they’re OK.

Both of them are missing the point I was trying to make. Probably I need to find another way to state it.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Nov 13, 2016 • 9:26:49pm

re: #33 HappyWarrior

Yeah that’s true. All my accents I can do are exaggerated anyhow.

I don’t have much of one on a regular basis, unless I have recently talked to family in WI.

I can mock the “NJ” accent but don’t actually know anyone who talked like that in real life.

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teleskiguy  Nov 13, 2016 • 9:26:50pm
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wheat-dogg  Nov 13, 2016 • 9:28:24pm

re: #35 klys (maker of Silmarils)

I don’t have much of one on a regular basis, unless I have recently talked to family in WI.

I can mock the “NJ” accent but don’t actually know anyone who talked like that in real life.

I’ll put you in touch with my cousin in northern NJ. He’s got it.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 13, 2016 • 9:28:37pm

re: #35 klys (maker of Silmarils)

I don’t have much of one on a regular basis, unless I have recently talked to family in WI.

I can mock the “NJ” accent but don’t actually know anyone who talked like that in real life.

Yeah accents are never quite what they’re exaggerated as. The good impressions are subtle and not over the top.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Nov 13, 2016 • 9:29:00pm

re: #34 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Downstairs I mentioned a Facebook friend had responded to my blog post about racism under Trump. My WordPress blog automatically posts to my FB TL, so it was only seen by my FB friends. Curiously, when I went to respond to her comment today, I found she had deleted it. I guess I’ll need to answer her privately, but I wanted to share her comment here, to get lizard reactions.

Here’s my blog post for context. wheatdogg.com

Another friend commented that America is safe, because his university has some academics from a Chinese uni visiting and they’re OK.

Both of them are missing the point I was trying to make. Probably I need to find another way to state it.

I found your point relatively clear, but I will admit that I’m coming at it from the same ideological positions you are so…

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Nov 13, 2016 • 9:29:52pm

re: #37 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

I’ll put you in touch with my cousin in northern NJ. He’s got it.

It really does seem to be a northern Jersey thing.

I mean clearly people do have it, because it has to come from somewhere. But where I grew up it was most definitely not a thing.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 13, 2016 • 9:31:10pm

My grandfather did retain his Western Pa dialect till the day he died. I can’t hear the Pittsburgh accent and not think of him saying you’ins or yinz to my brothers and I. I miss him.

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teleskiguy  Nov 13, 2016 • 9:32:27pm
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HappyWarrior  Nov 13, 2016 • 9:32:40pm

I’m told by some I have a slight southern accent but I’ve never seen it.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Nov 13, 2016 • 9:34:26pm

>.>

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teleskiguy  Nov 13, 2016 • 9:34:43pm

re: #43 HappyWarrior

I’m told by some I have a slight southern accent but I’ve never seen it.

I’ve been told by some that I’m crazy and stupid to *telemark* ski.

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wheat-dogg  Nov 13, 2016 • 9:35:53pm

re: #39 klys (maker of Silmarils)

I found your point relatively clear, but I will admit that I’m coming at it from the same ideological positions you are so…

I suspect it’s a matter of sensitivity. Oddly, the woman who wrote the comment has a Spanish surname, but I don’t know her well enough IRL to know whether she’s Anglo married to a Hispanic guy, or Hispanic herself. I would have thought she’d get what I meant. Oh well.

The university guy is a middle aged, liberal white man like me. Also, I thought he’d understand what I was getting at. Nope.

It’s that white privilege thing getting in the way. Sigh

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HappyWarrior  Nov 13, 2016 • 9:36:44pm

re: #44 klys (maker of Silmarils)

>.>

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Their QB did too. Not knowing there’s already a putting green on the WH lawn, thanks Taft!

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No Depression  Nov 13, 2016 • 9:38:36pm

re: #44 klys (maker of Silmarils)

>.>

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Perfect response.

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IngisKahn  Nov 13, 2016 • 9:38:58pm

This is the first time I’ve ever watched Alex Jones:

Goblins (Alex Jones REMIX)

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We're Way Beyond Snark  Nov 13, 2016 • 9:39:52pm

re: #34 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Frankly this sounds like more of the same MBF shit we’ve been hearing from the alt left, normalizing Trump and his bigots, and claiming that nothing has changed with his election, when we can see that the incidence of attacks and open bigotry has gone way up.

On the question of a Chinese student’s safety, I’d suggest that they should pay attention to what school they choose, but there are plenty of areas where they’d be as safe as they were before. (Crime is not nonexistent anywhere, and there are bigots everywhere too, but I think they’ll be no less safe today than they were before Trump in, e.g. Northern California.)

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wheat-dogg  Nov 13, 2016 • 9:41:17pm

re: #40 klys (maker of Silmarils)

It really does seem to be a northern Jersey thing.

I mean clearly people do have it, because it has to come from somewhere. But where I grew up it was most definitely not a thing.

Long Island is like that. North Shore people sound more like New Englanders than “Sout’ Shaw” people. It may be a socioeconomic thing, because the North Shore is more upper class white than the south, generally speaking. My mom had a distinct Brooklyn accent (terlet = toilet) but my dad from Queens had a more generic accent, as his father had lived in Montreal and Chicago, and his mother was a Swedish immigrant. I’ve lived away from the Island so many years that whatever NYC/LI accent I had is mostly gone, but now and again I can hear myself saying “dawg” and “law” with a strong dipthong like N’Yawkuz do.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 13, 2016 • 9:41:40pm

re: #50 We’re Way Beyond Snark

Frankly this sounds like more of the same MBF shit we’ve been hearing from the alt left, normalizing Trump and his bigots, and claiming that nothing has changed with his election, when we can see that the incidence of attacks and open bigotry has gone way up.

On the question of a Chinese student’s safety, I’d suggest that they should pay attention to what school they choose, but there are plenty of areas where they’d be as safe as they were before. (Crime is not nonexistent anywhere, and there are bigots everywhere too, but I think they’ll be no less safe today than they were before Trump in, e.g. Northern California.)

Alt left eh, how would you define them?

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Nov 13, 2016 • 9:43:13pm

re: #52 HappyWarrior

I would define them as the BernieBros.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Nov 13, 2016 • 9:44:39pm

re: #51 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Long Island is like that. North Shore people sound more like New Englanders than “Sout’ Shaw” people. It may be a socioeconomic thing, because the North Shore is more upper class white than the south, generally speaking. My mom had a distinct Brooklyn accent (terlet = toilet) but my dad from Queens had a more generic accent, as his father had lived in Montreal and Chicago, and his mother was a Swedish immigrant. I’ve lived away from the Island so many years that whatever NYC/LI accent I had is mostly gone, but now and again I can hear myself saying “dawg” and “law” with a strong dipthong like N’Yawkuz do.

I do the long o with the weird swallow thing like the upper Midwest/Canadian accent if I’m exposed or think about it. (“Sooo-da. Doooncha know.”)

There’s probably a proper way to describe this but.

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teleskiguy  Nov 13, 2016 • 9:46:18pm
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wheat-dogg  Nov 13, 2016 • 9:46:44pm

re: #50 We’re Way Beyond Snark

Frankly this sounds like more of the same MBF shit we’ve been hearing from the alt left, normalizing Trump and his bigots, and claiming that nothing has changed with his election, when we can see that the incidence of attacks and open bigotry has gone way up.

On the question of a Chinese student’s safety, I’d suggest that they should pay attention to what school they choose, but there are plenty of areas where they’d be as safe as they were before. (Crime is not nonexistent anywhere, and there are bigots everywhere too, but I think they’ll be no less safe today than they were before Trump in, e.g. Northern California.)

Definitely good advice on location. Left Coast or a big city anywhere would presumably be a safer environment than a uni in all white small town, but as the first commenter notes, racists are everywhere.

OTOH, people only acknowledge as real what they want to see. If you’re pretending that nothing has changed under Trump, you’ll be more likely to ignore evidence invalidating that pretense.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 13, 2016 • 9:47:30pm

re: #53 Ziggy_TARDIS

I would define them as the BernieBros.

Certainly quality.

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wheat-dogg  Nov 13, 2016 • 9:50:03pm

re: #54 klys (maker of Silmarils)

I do the long o with the weird swallow thing like the upper Midwest/Canadian accent if I’m exposed or think about it. (“Sooo-da. Doooncha know.”)

There’s probably a proper way to describe this but.

I read somewhere that the many Norwegians and Swedes who immigrated to those parts of North America were the origin of that particular sound, among others. “Oh yah” — as referenced in the movie Fargo — is one o’dem, too, you betcha.

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We're Way Beyond Snark  Nov 13, 2016 • 9:51:52pm

re: #52 HappyWarrior

Alt left eh, how would you define them?

The people we used to call dudebros, anyway. Plus anyone who decided that “they’re both the same,” and that they couldn’t vote for either.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 13, 2016 • 9:52:33pm

re: #59 We’re Way Beyond Snark

The people we used to call dudebros, anyway. Plus anyone who decided that “they’re both the same,” and that they couldn’t vote for either.

Yeah agreed.

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electrotek  Nov 13, 2016 • 9:52:46pm

Honest question: Has anyone else seen any rememberances of the Paris attacks on anyone’s social media feed?

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HappyWarrior  Nov 13, 2016 • 9:53:55pm

re: #58 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

I read somewhere that the many Norwegians and Swedes who immigrated to those parts of North America were the origin of that particular sound, among others. “Oh yah” — as referenced in the movie Fargo — is one o’dem, too, you betcha.

Doesn’t surprise me. American English is influenced by the people who settled in wherever.

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wheat-dogg  Nov 13, 2016 • 9:55:25pm

re: #52 HappyWarrior

Alt left eh, how would you define them?

Privileged white folks, well meaning liberals who have no clue what it’s like not to be white. So, their pet peeves revolve around burning white middle class issues like plastic shopping bags, tuna fishing and shoes for the dead, while ignoring major systemic problems affecting people of color and the poor.

I used to be alt left. Then I wised up.

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We're Way Beyond Snark  Nov 13, 2016 • 9:55:47pm

re: #56 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Definitely good advice on location. Left Coast or a big city anywhere would presumably be a safer environment than a uni in all white small town, but as the first commenter notes, racists are everywhere.

OTOH, people only acknowledge as real what they want to see. If you’re pretending that nothing has changed under Trump, you’ll be more likely to ignore evidence invalidating that pretense.

I live in Northern California, though, and I’ve been watching for signs of different behavior. I’ve heard of one or two incidents that included the “Trump is here, so we can do what we want” trope, but they’ve been few and the victims were defended by bystanders. That’s why I said that there probably isn’t any more threat than there ever was.

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Nov 13, 2016 • 9:56:29pm

2019

“frump went to washington to change it, but it changed him. he was captured by the establishment”

“the liberal elites screwed up manufacturing so bad even trump couldn’t save it. we’ve tried everything now, i tell you this country’s fucked. i may even have to go to college and move to california”

“trump went soft and wouldn’t cut the freeloaders loose. all you had to do was to look at all the insiders he loaded up his administration with. now he’s just like all the others. i never trusted him anyway”

“i thought trump was different, but it turned out he was just another insider. he lied to us!”

“geez, have you looked at the deficits? the kids went to the candy store alright. i guess all that building helped a lot of people, but between that and the tax cuts the larder is empty. what will happen when the next recession hits?”

“there’s just a kind of a feeling of a big letdown these days. after all those promises, what we are left with is a poorer, meaner country with fewer good jobs than three years ago. most of the illegal aliens are still here, health care is more expensive than ever, millions of women have to travel to another state to get birth control or abortions, not a single factory has come back to the midwest, no more coal miners are working than before, the ridiculous tax cuts have fucked the budget, and there are no more answers.

trump used up all the hope, and people don’t believe in answers anymore”

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VegasGolfer  Nov 13, 2016 • 9:56:57pm

reviewjournal.com

Mr. Whats Aleppo decides not to seek office again.
Well thanks a lot asshole for thinking of us for a change.

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BeachDem  Nov 13, 2016 • 9:57:20pm

re: #20 HappyWarrior

Shit it just hit me Obama’s first year was the summer I was in Ireland. So many people excited and curious about our new president. I’m planning on going to Germany and the Netherlands next summer. I’m expecting a lot of questions.

Just for you then:

Theres no one as Irish as Barack OBama- Corrigan Brothers

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wheat-dogg  Nov 13, 2016 • 9:58:25pm

re: #65 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

2019? I give them until autumn 2017 to sour on Trump. By then, his 100 days will be long gone and none of his promises will have come to pass.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 13, 2016 • 9:58:41pm

“next on Infowars, an exclusive interview with the President of the United States.”

THIS COULD ACTUALLY HAPPEN.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 13, 2016 • 9:58:44pm

re: #67 BeachDem

Just for you then:

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The neat thing is one of the guys I talked to was an African immigrant to Ireland. Irish cabbies are the best.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 13, 2016 • 9:59:30pm

re: #68 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

2019? I give them until autumn 2017 to sour on Trump. By then, his 100 days will be long gone and none of his promises will have come to pass.

We saw how easily people turned on Obama. May Trump find out the same thing.

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wheat-dogg  Nov 13, 2016 • 10:07:17pm

re: #71 HappyWarrior

We saw how easily people turned on Obama. May Trump find out the same thing.

Trump the narcissist is going to have a rough time as president, because nothing guarantees hatred or criticism more than serving as the leader of your country.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Nov 13, 2016 • 10:12:12pm

re: #61 electrotek

Honest question: Has anyone else seen any rememberances of the Paris attacks on anyone’s social media feed?

No.

Although I’ve spent very little time on social media today, and don’t believe I follow anyone from France.

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electrotek  Nov 13, 2016 • 10:12:15pm

Japanese-Americans and who they voted for

Interesting to see how the vast majority voted for HRC while one voted for Trump and another voted for Jill Stein.

Must read.

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BeachDem  Nov 13, 2016 • 10:36:05pm

re: #74 electrotek

Can’t remember what time zone you’re in, but where I am it is officially Monday, 11/14, so

Happy Birthday!

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Anymouse  Nov 13, 2016 • 10:47:51pm

Chili’s restaurant chain offers free meals to active duty military and veterans on Veterans Day.

When businesses do such things, it is not uncommon for the business to ask to see a military ID card (they aren’t stupid, a lot of people will claim to be active duty or a veteran).

An African-American was kicked out of a Chili’s for being an African-American (after he’d received his meal; the manager took it away from him).

Since the video of that went viral on the Internet, Chili’s corporate headquarters apologised and said they would be meeting with the man and his lawyer soon.

The man in question not only had his ID card, but a copy of his DD-214 (discharge papers).

The corporation has said they will “make it right” with him. (Betcha the manager doesn’t get fired.)

boingboing.net (with video of the incident)

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austin_blue  Nov 13, 2016 • 10:49:07pm

re: #24 We’re Way Beyond Snark

“Don’t blame me, I’m from California.” (I travel abroad too.)

Shit, dude, I’m from Texas and we go to England and Scotland every year to visit family and do a music festival.

In Scotland, I’m going to say “I love Nicola Sturgeon, believe me, and we need someone like her in the States to be the counterforce against the Drumpfkinder. It’s just the end of our Republic unless he can be contained.”

Oh, and if the English Parliament doesn’t vote against overturning Brexit, which was a non-binding referendum, Scotland is separating from the UK.

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wheat-dogg  Nov 13, 2016 • 10:54:28pm

re: #77 austin_blue

Oh, and if the English Parliament doesn’t vote against overturning Brexit, which was a non-binding referendum, Scotland is separating from the UK.

Example #15,789, 248 of the Law of Unintended Consequences. Separate from the EU, make the UK even smaller than before. Brilliant!

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No Depression  Nov 13, 2016 • 10:57:36pm

re: #76 Anymouse

Chili’s restaurant chain offers free meals to active duty military and veterans on Veterans Day.

When businesses do such things, it is not uncommon for the business to ask to see a military ID card (they aren’t stupid, a lot of people will claim to be active duty or a veteran).

An African-American was kicked out of a Chili’s for being an African-American (after he’d received his meal; the manager took it away from him).

Since the video of that went viral on the Internet, Chili’s corporate headquarters apologised and said they would be meeting with the man and his lawyer soon.

The man in question not only had his ID card, but a copy of his DD-214 (discharge papers).

The corporation has said they will “make it right” with him. (Betcha the manager doesn’t get fired.)

boingboing.net (with video of the incident)

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And they make it worse by questioning his service dog. Do companies not educate their employees on the rights of customers with disabilities?

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Anymouse  Nov 13, 2016 • 11:01:20pm

re: #79 No Depression

And they make it worse by questioning his service dog. Do companies not educate their employees on the rights of customers with disabilities?

My guess is the customers complaining about the dog (he was there for thirty-five minutes according to the article) were just trying to think up another excuse to get rid of the guy.

As for corporations training on such subtleties as service dogs? A large bunch of mega-corporations don’t teach their cashiers to count change (I can’t remember how many times I have had to help a cashier count my change because the cashier hit “total” rather than enter the amount I gave them and have the register tell them how much change I should get.)

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Dragonomics  Nov 13, 2016 • 11:01:44pm

How can Jones’s Infowars’ audience approve of this? Isn’t the orange fascist the one who’ll be in charge of poisoning us with chemtrails now?

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Kragar  Nov 13, 2016 • 11:02:58pm
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Anymouse  Nov 13, 2016 • 11:03:09pm

re: #81 Dragonomics

How can Jones’s Infowars’ audience approve of this? Isn’t the orange fascist the one who’ll be in charge of poisoning us with chemtrails now?

No, the government is going to use super secret chemtrails that will only poison “those people.”

Jones’s audience will love him; he has already been on his programme many times.

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No Depression  Nov 13, 2016 • 11:03:26pm

re: #81 Dragonomics

How can Jones’s Infowars’ audience approve of this? Isn’t the orange fascist the one who’ll be in charge of poisoning us with chemtrails now?

Nah. Trump will only poison those people with chemtrails now.

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Dragonomics  Nov 13, 2016 • 11:06:18pm

Those people? I think I might be one of those people, but I’m also a friend of the shape shifting illuminati lizard people so I ought to be good.

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We're Way Beyond Snark  Nov 13, 2016 • 11:06:50pm

re: #77 austin_blue

Oh, and if the English Parliament doesn’t vote against overturning Brexit, which was a non-binding referendum, Scotland is separating from the UK.

You mean vote FOR overturning Brexit, don’t you?

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No Depression  Nov 13, 2016 • 11:08:14pm

re: #85 Dragonomics

Those people? I think I might be one of those people, but I’m also a friend of the shape shifting illuminati lizard people so I ought to be good.

As long as you’re not a black, a Jew, or a goblin, you’re good.

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Dragonomics  Nov 13, 2016 • 11:09:38pm

All the crazy things Jones claims to believe the government is up to and he’s not going to claim to believe it of Trump? He’ll have no audience left. If they’re not being fed the special secret Infowars knowledge only they are smart enough to accept as truth, then they won’t be happy.

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goddamnedfrank  Nov 13, 2016 • 11:09:39pm
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Anymouse  Nov 13, 2016 • 11:12:04pm
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austin_blue  Nov 13, 2016 • 11:12:19pm

re: #78 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Example #15,789, 248 of the Law of Unintended Consequences. Separate from the EU, make the UK even smaller than before. Brilliant!

Yah, that should be the real lead on the front page. Cameron made a bet and it blew up in his face. He’s gone and the Tories are looking at Armageddon, desperately trying to spin it to their advantage. It’s a total omni-shambles.

The High Court ruling has actually given them a lifeline. If the High Court shoots down the Tories objection to the ruling in December and the Parliament votes against Brexit, the UK returns to the status quo ante and remains in the EU. Nicola can purr and drink cream waiting for the next Tory disaster. She is such a stud.

Night all. Yard work tomorrow. Lots. She Who Must Be Obeyed is cracking the whip. My poor aching back.

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austin_blue  Nov 13, 2016 • 11:17:44pm

re: #86 We’re Way Beyond Snark

You mean vote FOR overturning Brexit, don’t you?

Fucking Malbec. Yes.

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Anymouse  Nov 13, 2016 • 11:18:34pm
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No Depression  Nov 13, 2016 • 11:20:55pm

re: #93 Anymouse

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Wow, that’s my expression every time I see that psycho’s stupid mug.

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wheat-dogg  Nov 13, 2016 • 11:21:57pm

re: #93 Anymouse

Step 6. Rubber bullets
Step 7. If all else fails, real bullets. That’ll show ‘em!
//
half kinda sarcastic

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wheat-dogg  Nov 13, 2016 • 11:23:22pm

re: #94 No Depression

Wow, that’s my expression every time I see that psycho’s stupid mug.

Doesn’t Clarke have an actual job sheriffing somewhere? Who’s minding the shop while he’s shilling for Herr Trump?

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Anymouse  Nov 13, 2016 • 11:24:57pm

re: #94 No Depression

Wow, that’s my expression every time I see that psycho’s stupid mug.

Jim Wright replied to him on Twitter, which I can’t seem to embed here:

Whoa, whoa, whoa. Hold up, Henrich. You have to wait for Trump’s actual inauguration before going full fascist.

Another person noted on Twitter (I can’t find it now) that all those bellyaching against demonstrations are the same ones who whinge incessantly about the colour of a Starbuck’s holiday cup.

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Anymouse  Nov 13, 2016 • 11:28:01pm
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Anymouse  Nov 13, 2016 • 11:33:08pm
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EPR-radar  Nov 13, 2016 • 11:40:24pm

re: #89 goddamnedfrank

Nixon on this subject: ‘When the president does it, that means that it is not illegal.’

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Nov 13, 2016 • 11:43:23pm

Not sure what to make of this, but figured it should be seen/checked.

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Anymouse  Nov 13, 2016 • 11:50:14pm

re: #101 klys (maker of Silmarils)

I wouldn’t be terribly surprised to find the Chinese government supporting Mr. Trump … the goal of both China and the Soviet Union/Russia has been to try to sew division within the USA.

Making it appear that somehow it’s liberal demonstrators who are anti-Chinese would be a good way to do that (Weibo is heavily censored). It ensures the Chinese population sees Mr. Trump as a good thing and any attempt by liberals to try to oust his racist supporters from his inner circle as opposing the Chinese people.

A hoped for response might be Chinese citizens would turn against us.

Good job, GOP. Russia, China, and North Korea supporting you? Gaaaa. Ronald Reagan must be rolling in his grave.

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Anymouse  Nov 13, 2016 • 11:58:39pm
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wheat-dogg  Nov 14, 2016 • 12:12:32am

re: #102 Anymouse

I wouldn’t be terribly surprised to find the Chinese government supporting Mr. Trump … the goal of both China and the Soviet Union/Russia has been to try to sew division within the USA.

Making it appear that somehow it’s liberal demonstrators who are anti-Chinese would be a good way to do that (Weibo is heavily censored). It ensures the Chinese population sees Mr. Trump as a good thing and any attempt by liberals to try to oust his racist supporters from his inner circle as opposing the Chinese people.

A hoped for response might be Chinese citizens would turn against us.

Good job, GOP. Russia, China, and North Korea supporting you? Gaaaa. Ronald Reagan must be rolling in his grave.

The Beijing government likes to stoke up nationalism among the population, and so would more than happy to use anything vaguely anti-Chinese to their advantage. Since most Chinese have no access to outside media and have little understanding of American society, the government can tell them any damned thing about the demonstrators and it will be believed. It’s like Fox News without any other sources to counterbalance the bullshit.

The recent protests in Hong Kong are one example. Pro-democracy protests are described as insurrectionary, while pro-Beijing protests are patriotic. The context of the protests — and the likelihood the pro-Beijing protests are bought and paid for by the CPC — are glossed over.

You can be sure any BS Trump tries which antagonizes China will be used as anti-American propaganda.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 14, 2016 • 12:46:53am

re: #31 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Very few people abroad can recognize American accents anyway.

Hell, a lot of Americans have trouble with regional accents.

…if I practice I can sound Canadian. (Well, the WI/MN accent can be close enough that there’s only a few tells.)

I have no problem with that, having grown up on the Great Lakes

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 14, 2016 • 12:47:56am

re: #35 klys (maker of Silmarils)

I don’t have much of one on a regular basis, unless I have recently talked to family in WI.

I can mock the “NJ” accent but don’t actually know anyone who talked like that in real life.

I had a girlfriend with one of those…she was a truly warm and wonder person but her accent was owaful.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 14, 2016 • 12:53:16am

re: #104 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

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Kragar  Nov 14, 2016 • 1:01:49am
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Anymouse  Nov 14, 2016 • 1:04:09am

Ontario Judge Dishonours His Courtroom by Presiding in a “Make America Great Again” Hat (goes to Boing Boing)

That would be the Ontario north of Lake Erie, not the one in California.

Ontario Judge Bernd Zabel displayed contempt for his position and its political impartiality by showing up for work the day after the US election in a Donald Trump “Make America Great Again” hat, which he wore, and then perched on his bench.

Osgoode Hall law professor Gus Van Harten has filed a formal complaint with the Ontario Judicial Council, saying the judge is now “tainted” and should not preside over cases where the litigants are “women, Mexicans, Muslims and persons with disabilities” because Trump campaigned by disparaging and attacking these groups.

Matthew Green, Hamilton’s first black councillor, commented on that implication that the judge’s authority is tainted, saying that if he’d been convicted by the judge, he’d be seeking an appeal. He, too, called on Zabel to step down from the bench.

“Given the divisive nature of the recent American election with its clear racism, sexism and xenophobia, if true, this alarming display by a Canadian judge only serves to underscore the distrust many Canadians feel in our own so-called ‘justice system,’” Green said.

A law professor wants Ontario to discipline the judge:

cbc.ca

An Osgoode Hall law professor is calling for an Ontario judge to be disciplined after the judge reportedly wore a hat showing support for Donald Trump while in a Hamilton courtroom.

Gus Van Harten, in a formal complaint faxed to the Ontario Judicial Council on Friday, alleges Judge Bernd Zabel of the Ontario Court of Justice in Hamilton was not maintaining his objectivity, was not treating his judicial office with dignity and was not being courteous to people in the courtroom, by wearing the Trump campaign baseball cap.

More at the CBC, where they continue with the professor’s formal complaint.

An example of “Canadian nice?”

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freetoken  Nov 14, 2016 • 1:05:29am

Slowly the various counties here are counting… results were updated Sunday night by adding a small number of votes.

The SD county precinct report is interesting, as the numbers show that many precincts had over 100% turnout, meaning many more people turned up for provisional ballots. All of these have to be hand checked for signature and address, like with the mail order.

It’s going to take a while.

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Kragar  Nov 14, 2016 • 1:17:07am
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Anymouse  Nov 14, 2016 • 1:21:22am

re: #110 freetoken

Slowly the various counties here are counting… results were updated Sunday night by adding a small number of votes.

The SD county precinct report is interesting, as the numbers show that many precincts had over 100% turnout, meaning many more people turned up for provisional ballots. All of these have to be hand checked for signature and address, like with the mail order.

It’s going to take a while.

I just looked at the California Secretary of State Website, I see Car Thief got re-elected.

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Anymouse  Nov 14, 2016 • 1:28:17am
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Anymouse  Nov 14, 2016 • 1:30:50am

For those that can’t see the video clip above because they are using Firefox like me, it is Bart Simpson writing on the classroom chalkboard “Being Right Sucks” (referring to The Simpsons’ prediction in 2000 that Donald Trump would become President)

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goddamnedfrank  Nov 14, 2016 • 1:33:00am
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Kragar  Nov 14, 2016 • 1:37:24am
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Edge of a dream AKA Cankles Mccellulite  Nov 14, 2016 • 2:03:02am

re: #103 Anymouse

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Now they just shave their head and call it a day.

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Edge of a dream AKA Cankles Mccellulite  Nov 14, 2016 • 2:10:37am

I can’t believe David Duke is back in our lives. Oh wait. yeah, I can believe it.

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freetoken  Nov 14, 2016 • 2:11:46am

re: #112 Anymouse

I just looked at the California Secretary of State Website, I see Car Thief got re-elected.

As it currently stands. It was the Orange county portion of his district that put him ahead.

But he’s losing the SD portion of is district by 8000 votes, and I believe there are more uncounted votes in SD than in Orange county, for his district.

The 49th Congressional District includes the very southern portion of Orange county. This is a swanky part of Orange county, expensive, the Nixon area, home of apartheid fans from Rhodesia who came here when that fell, etc.

The San Diego portion (the majority portion) is a mix of uber expensive iconic locations, plus high-tech, a few artsy areas, etc.

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Edge of a dream AKA Cankles Mccellulite  Nov 14, 2016 • 2:23:37am

Every time I wake up, I see Kelly Anne cackling like a witch. This would be so much easier if I was a masochist.

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Anymouse  Nov 14, 2016 • 2:26:08am

re: #119 freetoken

As it currently stands. It was the Orange county portion of his district that put him ahead.

But he’s losing the SD portion of is district by 8000 votes, and I believe there are more uncounted votes in SD than in Orange county, for his district.

The 49th Congressional District includes the very southern portion of Orange county. This is a swanky part of Orange county, expensive, the Nixon area, home of apartheid fans from Rhodesia who came here when that fell, etc.

The San Diego portion (the majority portion) is a mix of uber expensive iconic locations, plus high-tech, a few artsy areas, etc.

I was just looking at the Sec’y of State’s count for the 49th district (I assume it includes all counties that make up the district). However, I do not know exactly how vote counting proceeds in California.

In my own district, the election was a foregone conclusion (might as well not have held one), since it was just Adrian Smith (R-NE3) unopposed.

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Edge of a dream AKA Cankles Mccellulite  Nov 14, 2016 • 2:28:58am

STOP BEING INTELLIGENT. all you lgf people. Because apparently, it doesn’t matter.

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Edge of a dream AKA Cankles Mccellulite  Nov 14, 2016 • 2:33:58am

re: #122 Edge of a dream AKA Cankles Mccellulite

STOP BEING INTELLIGENT. all you lgf people. Because apparently, it doesn’t matter.

My grammar and punctuation would be better if Hillary was President.

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Anymouse  Nov 14, 2016 • 2:37:03am

re: #122 Edge of a dream AKA Cankles Mccellulite

STOP BEING INTELLIGENT. all you lgf people. Because apparently, it doesn’t matter.

Intelligence is overrated.

If the country valued intelligence, we might be doing something about climate change for example, rather than threatening to pull out of the Paris Accords. Louie Gohmert (R-TX1) wouldn’t be within a thousand miles of the US House.

Idiocracy seems to have been a documentary: Overall, intelligent people have fewer children. We’re being “outbred.”

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Anymouse  Nov 14, 2016 • 2:38:08am

re: #123 Edge of a dream AKA Cankles Mccellulite

My grammar and punctuation would be better if Hillary was President.

LOL. The only Nazi that won’t be welcome in the incoming administration will be Grammar Nazis, so you’ll be safe.

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Edge of a dream AKA Cankles Mccellulite  Nov 14, 2016 • 2:40:01am

re: #124 Anymouse

Intelligence is overrated.

If the country valued intelligence, we might be doing something about climate change for example, rather than threatening to pull out of the Paris Accords. Louie Gohmert (R-TX1) wouldn’t be within a thousand miles of the US House.

Idiocracy seems to have been a documentary: Overall, intelligent people have fewer children. We’re being “outbred.”

Quit making me feel better!

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 14, 2016 • 2:42:00am

re: #124 Anymouse

Intelligence is overrated.

If the country valued intelligence, we might be doing something about climate change for example, rather than threatening to pull out of the Paris Accords. Louie Gohmert (R-TX1) wouldn’t be within a thousand miles of the US House.

Idiocracy seems to have been a documentary: Overall, intelligent people have fewer children. We’re being “outbred.”

If we valued notions like citizenship and civics, our electorate would be better aware of how a government and an electoral system is supposed to function.

If we taught communications and media skills, our population would also be aware of how news is disseminated and why.

If we taught concepts of basic science, more people would understand what a scientific theory is and how it applies to studying life on Earth.

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Edge of a dream AKA Cankles Mccellulite  Nov 14, 2016 • 2:43:18am

Where is Carl Sagan when I need him?

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Anymouse  Nov 14, 2016 • 2:44:41am

re: #126 Edge of a dream AKA Cankles Mccellulite

Quit making me feel better!

No. That’s my job, to make people feel better, more self-assured, intelligent, pick a positive trait.

Even in what passes for a flame contest here, the intellectual level of discourse is parsecs ahead of what you might see on Disqus (and I don’t dare venture into that swill called Free Republic).

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joe90  Nov 14, 2016 • 2:46:26am

I guess I’m a couple of metres closer to Australia than what I was this time last night, too.

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Edge of a dream AKA Cankles Mccellulite  Nov 14, 2016 • 2:46:52am

re: #129 Anymouse

No. That’s my job, to make people feel better, more self-assured, intelligent, pick a positive trait.

Even in what passes for a flame contest here, the intellectual level of discourse is parsecs ahead of what you might see on Disqus (and I don’t dare venture into that swill called Free Republic).

Just don’t leave. We need you here.

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Anymouse  Nov 14, 2016 • 2:48:31am

re: #127 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

If we valued notions like citizenship and civics, our electorate would be better aware of how a government and an electoral system is supposed to function.

If we taught communications and media skills, our population would also be aware of how news is disseminated and why.

If we taught concepts of basic science, more people would understand what a scientific theory is and how it applies to studying life on Earth.

Well, there is a reason that academia and even school texts have been demonised as “liberal bias.”

If one can make the educational system look as though it is nothing more than another political opinion, why then any ol’ political opinion is as good as another.

If you can throw doubt on science (my favourite “X is just a theory”), then any ol’ opinion (like creationism) is true.

If you can throw doubt on the Fourth Estate (the liberal media), then anything reported is an opinion and not a fact.

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Anymouse  Nov 14, 2016 • 2:49:42am

re: #131 Edge of a dream AKA Cankles Mccellulite

Just don’t leave. We need you here.

Aw shucks. I’m not too hard to carry off (120#), but if I glue myself to my chair… .

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Dr Lizardo  Nov 14, 2016 • 2:51:09am

re: #130 joe90

I guess I’m a couple of metres closer to Australia than what I was this time last night, too.

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That looks like the kind of damage more normally associated with a subduction zone seismic event - a megathrust earthquake.

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Edge of a dream AKA Cankles Mccellulite  Nov 14, 2016 • 2:51:30am

I’m 5’9 and 125 pounds. So I can take you. Hahaha.

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Anymouse  Nov 14, 2016 • 2:54:37am

re: #135 Edge of a dream AKA Cankles Mccellulite

I’m 5’9 and 125 pounds. So I can take you. Hahaha.

I’m 5’10” so I do have an inch of height on you.

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Edge of a dream AKA Cankles Mccellulite  Nov 14, 2016 • 2:55:20am

re: #136 Anymouse

I’m 5’10” so I do have an inch of height on you.

Damnit.

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Anymouse  Nov 14, 2016 • 2:55:52am

re: #137 Edge of a dream AKA Cankles Mccellulite

Damnit.

Also have seventeen years of military training. Conversely, that makes me old. (56)

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 14, 2016 • 2:57:17am

re: #138 Anymouse

Also have seventeen years of military training. Conversely, that makes me old. (56)

Still a year younger than me, without any military training.

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Edge of a dream AKA Cankles Mccellulite  Nov 14, 2016 • 2:57:31am

re: #138 Anymouse

Also have seventeen years of military training. Conversely, that makes me old. (56)

Damnit. You win..

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Anymouse  Nov 14, 2016 • 2:59:59am

re: #140 Edge of a dream AKA Cankles Mccellulite

Damnit. You win..

Not necessarily. Men in my family do not live very long: I am the oldest in at least a century.

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Edge of a dream AKA Cankles Mccellulite  Nov 14, 2016 • 3:00:12am

re: #140 Edge of a dream AKA Cankles Mccellulite

Damnit. You win..

I hate love you

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wheat-dogg  Nov 14, 2016 • 3:02:01am

re: #130 joe90

I guess I’m a couple of metres closer to Australia than what I was this time last night, too.

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Yikes! Looks like you could have had an island or two subdivided.

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SirMixALot  Nov 14, 2016 • 3:02:10am

re: #31 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Very few people abroad can recognize American accents anyway.

Hell, a lot of Americans have trouble with regional accents.

…if I practice I can sound Canadian. (Well, the WI/MN accent can be close enough that there’s only a few tells.)

I live in the UK. Many Brits will assume you’re Canadian without even trying. They really can’t tell the difference between the non-regional American and Candian accents. To be far it can be hard. We are just separated slightly by how the Canadians emphasize certain vowels like the Scots.

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Anymouse  Nov 14, 2016 • 3:02:37am

re: #142 Edge of a dream AKA Cankles Mccellulite

I hate love you

Marry us.

I’m trying to figure out how to set up the new answering machine we got. Our old one dies and says things like “squeakSQEEEEEhisss.”

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wheat-dogg  Nov 14, 2016 • 3:03:28am

re: #142 Edge of a dream AKA Cankles Mccellulite

re: #141 Anymouse

OK, you too. Get a room already!

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Anymouse  Nov 14, 2016 • 3:04:17am

re: #144 SirMixALot

I live in the UK. Many Brits will assume you’re Canadian without even trying. They really can’t tell the difference between the non-regional American and Candian accents. To be far it can be hard. We are just separated slightly by how the Canadians emphasize certain vowels like the Scots.

I grew up about one hundred miles / 160 km from the border between Port Huron and Sarnia.

My wife (from Chicago and before that Missouri) insists I have a “Canadian-lite” accent that gets worse every time we go to Canada (rubs off on me).

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Edge of a dream AKA Cankles Mccellulite  Nov 14, 2016 • 3:06:07am

My nieces are gorgeous dark skinned, half Polynesians. And when I say gorgeous, I mean gorgeous. But they want to know what’s wrong with white American people.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 14, 2016 • 3:07:00am

re: #148 Edge of a dream AKA Cankles Mccellulite

My nieces are gorgeous dark skinned, half Polynesians. And when I say gorgeous, I mean gorgeous. But they want to know what’s wrong with white American people.

we aren’t white enough, but we are working on that…

/

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Edge of a dream AKA Cankles Mccellulite  Nov 14, 2016 • 3:08:32am

re: #149 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

we aren’t white enough, but we are working on that…

/

Wendell. If you make me smile one more time. Shits gonna’ hit the fan.

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Anymouse  Nov 14, 2016 • 3:10:03am

re: #148 Edge of a dream AKA Cankles Mccellulite

My nieces are gorgeous dark skinned, half Polynesians. And when I say gorgeous, I mean gorgeous. But they want to know what’s wrong with white American people.

Please tell them, “I didn’t do this.” There are eight whole people in my precinct that voted for Hillary Clinton. We’re not all bad, just apparently about 95% of us here.

(Those are still better odds than the Lotto, but I wouldn’t bank on that if I weren’t a white person.)

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Edge of a dream AKA Cankles Mccellulite  Nov 14, 2016 • 3:11:23am

re: #151 Anymouse

Please tell them, “I didn’t do this.” There are eight whole people in my precinct that voted for Hillary Clinton. We’re not all bad, just apparently about 95% of us here.

(Those are still better odds than the Lotto, but I wouldn’t bank on that if I weren’t a white person.)

We have to fight this. I cant say this enough. BANNON

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Dr Lizardo  Nov 14, 2016 • 3:17:20am

Here’s some photos out of New Zealand. They took a beating from Mother Nature.

radionz.co.nz

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Edge of a dream AKA Cankles Mccellulite  Nov 14, 2016 • 3:19:46am

re: #153 Dr Lizardo

Here’s some photos out of New Zealand. They took a beating from Mother Nature.

radionz.co.nz

New Zealand always makes everything better..

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Anymouse  Nov 14, 2016 • 3:25:27am

re: #152 Edge of a dream AKA Cankles Mccellulite

We have to fight this. I cant say this enough. BANNON

I don’t know how to fight Steve Bannon backed by Robert Mercer. They have way more money than I do. (I already symbolically broke the “in case of emergency break glass” case I had built a couple months ago to hold our Canadian money.

The demonstrations in the street are regrettably unorganised as far as I can tell, which makes them ripe for rodent copulation.

On the other hand, even in this very deeply red state, there have been demonstrations in Omaha.

I’m probably fortunate in that if they actually decide to round people up, I won’t be in the first group. (Then again, elected liberal. The state already has my name and address.)

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Anymouse  Nov 14, 2016 • 3:26:52am

re: #153 Dr Lizardo

Here’s some photos out of New Zealand. They took a beating from Mother Nature.

radionz.co.nz

Holy crap, they took a beating. My heart goes out to Kiwis.

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Anymouse  Nov 14, 2016 • 3:33:47am

And New Zealand still can’t catch a break:

Gales Up to 140 km/h to Hit Quake-Affected Areas Today

Quake recovery efforts will be hampered by the weather today, with severe gales gusting up to 140km/h expected to hit the upper South Island and lower North Island today.

MetService has issued a severe weather warning for Wellington, Marlborough and the Wairarapa, with severe gale north to northwest winds forecast to develop in exposed places.

The gales were expected to ease on Tuesday.

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wheat-dogg  Nov 14, 2016 • 3:34:13am

Oh boy! Rage Furby is gonna blow a gasket.

Naturally, he’ll ignore all the people currently working for Trump.

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SirMixALot  Nov 14, 2016 • 3:38:33am

re: #34 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Downstairs I mentioned a Facebook friend had responded to my blog post about racism under Trump. My WordPress blog automatically posts to my FB TL, so it was only seen by my FB friends. Curiously, when I went to respond to her comment today, I found she had deleted it. I guess I’ll need to answer her privately, but I wanted to share her comment here, to get lizard reactions.

Here’s my blog post for context. wheatdogg.com

Another friend commented that America is safe, because his university has some academics from a Chinese uni visiting and they’re OK.

Both of them are missing the point I was trying to make. Probably I need to find another way to state it.

What point were you trying to make? Was your point one of sarcasm and irony? If it was I apologize in advance because I completely missed it. If that was your neighbor who wrote that nonsense this post is directed at them.

America has never been safe for women, sexual and racial minority group true, but you have just made our lives a million times unsafer by helping to elect a man with ties to white supremacists, and Russia. In other words, you just helped elect a fascist traitor by voting for Gary Johnson. As I type there are Americans who have to look over their shoulders on a daily basis just going to school, walking down the street, taking a bus or getting gas. There are well-documented incidents of hate crimes being committed at each of those places in the past few days! The complete dismissiveness of other people safety is rooted in your white male privilege. There have always been racists is not the point. You just gave them a green light to engage in more hate crimes and harassment.

Americans were tired of nothing getting done? Well whose fault is that? The whole goal of the GOP the past 8 years was to get nothing done. To block everything Obama and the Democrats tried to do. Same thing happened under Clinton. So we continue to reward them with the entire government, where they can get a lot of stuff done, bad horrible stuff that screws the nation. Instead of us moving forward as a country and build on Democratic successes we are right back where we started under both Bushes and Reagan. Shite we are right back where we started under Hoover! Republicans screwing the economy has been going on that long.

Trump will tank the economy and this time the social safety net will have been completely gutted by Paul Ryan. The entire nation will look like Kansas. Well at least it is not business as usual! It will take another Democratic winning the White House and Congress (if it is ever possible again with voter suppression and gerrymandering) to clean up the mess of the Trump Administration. Rinse, recyle, repeat. I tired of wheel in the Game of Thrones, its time to break it as Kaleeshi says.

So Clinton had too much made up baggage for your liking, so you let Trump and his real baggage win. Great plan. Trump the man with a zillion laws suits against him for not paying his workers, his contractors, racial discrimination, mob ties, sexually harassing women, and fraud was pure as the driven snow.

Trump’s ties to Russia make him a dangerous to global national security. Oh but again not business as usual. The US is now doing Russia’s business. At least we got some change right!

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darthstar  Nov 14, 2016 • 3:39:52am

re: #158 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Oh boy! Rage Furby is gonna blow a gasket.

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Naturally, he’ll ignore all the people currently working for Trump.

Like with Ashley Madison, AFF is probably mostly dudes masturbating to fake female profiles made by other dudes. But now we have a new crop of political figures who could be on the list…so let’s see who our winners are! Johnny Olson, who is the next contestant on The Price is Right!?

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Anymouse  Nov 14, 2016 • 3:42:09am

re: #158 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

I’m glad I have this place and Wonkette for that sort of thing. /s

Fun fact: I met my wife on a specialised dating service. At the time I was homeless; she was working as a software engineer with the owner to try to uproot bogus accounts (Romance scammers, &c).

As it turned out, my Zip Code did not match the place I was living (my Zip Code was Liberty, MO and I was in Charleston, SC). That was because when I went to a Charleston area library, out of “nothing better to do” I updated a profile at the place where I had never, not once, gotten a hit on my insightful and intellectually-stimulating profile. (::

So the first hit I got was my now-wife, who it turned out was looking for Romance scammers to boot off, and my misaligned Zip Code with my stated location stood out as a flag to her.

Eventually she determined I was not a scammer, we developed an on-line conversation, I scrapped up all the pennies I’d saved and flew from Charleston to Wichita (on a one-way ticket because that was all I could afford) to meet her.

She married me, ending one homeless veteran’s homelessness.

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darthstar  Nov 14, 2016 • 3:45:31am

re: #161 Anymouse

That’s an awesome story.

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wheat-dogg  Nov 14, 2016 • 3:48:12am

re: #159 SirMixALot

What point were you trying to make? Was your point one of sarcasm and irony? If it was I apologize in advance because I completely missed it. If that was your neighbor who wrote that nonsense this post is directed at them.

America has never been safe for women, sexual and racial minority group true, but you have just made our lives a million times unsafer by helping to elect a man with ties to white supremacists, and Russia. In other words, you just helped elect a fascist traitor by voting for Gary Johnson. As I type there are Americans who have to look over their shoulders on a daily basis just going to school, walking down the street, taking a bus or getting gas. There are well-documented incidents of hate crimes being committed at each of those places in the past few days! The complete dismissiveness of other people safety is rooted in your white male privilege. There have always been racists is not the point. You just gave them a green light to engage in more hate crimes and harassment.

Americans were tired of nothing getting done? Well whose fault is that? The whole goal of the GOP the past 8 years was to get nothing done. To block everything Obama and the Democrats tried to do. Same thing happened under Clinton. So we continue to reward them with the entire government, where they can get a lot of stuff done, bad horrible stuff that screws the nation. Instead of us moving forward as a country and build on Democratic successes we are right back where we started under both Bushes and Reagan. Shite we are right back where we started under Hoover! Republicans screwing the economy has been going on that long.

Trump will tank the economy and this time the social safety net will have been completely gutted by Paul Ryan. The entire nation will look like Kansas. Well at least it is not business as usual! It will take another Democratic winning the White House and Congress (if it is ever possible again with voter suppression and gerrymandering) to clean up the mess of the Trump Administration. Rinse, recyle, repeat. I tired of wheel in the Game of Thrones, its time to break it as Kaleeshi says.

So Clinton had too much made up baggage for your liking, so you let Trump and his real baggage win. Great plan. Trump the man with a zillion laws suits against him for not paying his workers, his contractors, racial discrimination, mob ties, sexually harassing women, and fraud was pure as the driven snow.

Trump’s ties to Russia make him a dangerous to global national security. Oh but again not business as usual. The US is now doing Russia’s business. At least we got some change right!

Perhaps you could read my post to which she was responding. I included the link.

My point basically was the loss of my vision of Americans as friendly, welcoming people, who would reject Trump’s racism — and that of his followers — as antithetical to American values. That 60 million voted for him, despite those flaws, pretty much destroyed that vision for me, and makes it much harder to tell Chinese students that they’ll perfectly fine visiting or studying in the USA.

My FB friend instead concluded that I was labeling all 60 million as racists, because they disagreed with my point of view, and then went on to excuse Trump’s extremism as mere political rhetoric. She’s not my neighbor. In fact, I’m not even sure we’ve met IRL.

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Anymouse  Nov 14, 2016 • 3:48:52am

re: #34 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Downstairs I mentioned a Facebook friend had responded to my blog post about racism under Trump. My WordPress blog automatically posts to my FB TL, so it was only seen by my FB friends. Curiously, when I went to respond to her comment today, I found she had deleted it. I guess I’ll need to answer her privately, but I wanted to share her comment here, to get lizard reactions.

Here’s my blog post for context. wheatdogg.com

Another friend commented that America is safe, because his university has some academics from a Chinese uni visiting and they’re OK.

Both of them are missing the point I was trying to make. Probably I need to find another way to state it.

Well, as an American you are the direct face of our country they see.

Hell, I couldn’t answer that question if one of my Native American neighbours asked it of me.

I suppose you could give a couple different answers (for varying definitions of couple):

a) Honesty: I honestly don’t know. Six months ago I would have said “absolutely,” but now I just don’t know.

b) Lie: Sure you’ll be safe. (We’ve seen how that works out for American citizens already, and people like Rep. Steve King [R-Dumbster] and Ann Coulter want to enact an American version of the Nuremberg Laws.

c) Equivocate: I don’t really know. What Mr. Trump proposes is so outside the norms, I don’t know if the courts would accept or reject such things.

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wheat-dogg  Nov 14, 2016 • 3:55:43am

re: #164 Anymouse

Well, I had to answer IDK for the question about Trump’s China policy, because I’m sure even he doesn’t know right now. He could really fuck up relations if he doesn’t fully understand our policy toward Taiwan, the mainland, Tibet, Xinjiang and Hong Kong, not to mention the South and East China Sea tensions.

The trade policy issue was easier to answer, but of course Trump could change his mind on that any minute now. And the safety issue is, as I said, a tough one to answer, because I’m not sure how safe I’d be if I walked around with some “liberal” item of clothing, like my O’bama 2012 St. Patrick’s Day T-shirt.

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Anymouse  Nov 14, 2016 • 3:57:38am

re: #162 darthstar

That’s an awesome story.

It is unusual.

My wife’s brother also met his wife on a dating site. He is a school teacher in Texas who knows Russian as a second language, she was a physician who worked with the Soviet government as an immunologist.

They are married now, and although she doesn’t like the politics much, she loves Texas.

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darthstar  Nov 14, 2016 • 4:01:27am
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freetoken  Nov 14, 2016 • 4:02:06am

Major news outlets keep using terms like “firebrand” to label Bannon.

They’re afraid to use more accurate terms.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 14, 2016 • 4:03:16am

I expect Trump is going to make some moves on things like student debt or non-moves on things like abortion that will make him popular with a wider circle of the populace. On the other hand, he will nominate SCOTUS judges who will overturn much of the progress we have made in social issues over the past fifty years.

It will take years for the extent of the damage he inflicts to manifest itself or become clear to us.

We are in the age of alternate media reality: DT can screw up big time and he will be praised for his efforts and his failures blamed on minorities, the media or a cabal of (((bankers))).

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freetoken  Nov 14, 2016 • 4:03:38am

re: #167 darthstar

OPEC apparently isn’t going to do a production cut.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 14, 2016 • 4:03:48am

re: #168 freetoken

Major news outlets keep using terms like “firebrand” to label Bannon.

They’re afraid to use more accurate terms.

afraid or adapting to the New Alternate Reality

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wheat-dogg  Nov 14, 2016 • 4:10:04am

Who was it here who said Moldova was the next target after Ukraine?

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Anymouse  Nov 14, 2016 • 4:23:34am

re: #172 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Well, if Russia can take Moldova without a fight, that would be a plus for them.

Moldova has had a large Communist Party contingent ever since it gained independence in the dissolution of the Soviet Union.

Bulgaria would be more concerning to me. Bulgaria is part of the European Union.

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Edge of a dream AKA Cankles Mccellulite  Nov 14, 2016 • 4:32:53am

My friend from France said he has never seen so many men be so sexist than American men. I fought him hard.. Hahaha!

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Edge of a dream AKA Cankles Mccellulite  Nov 14, 2016 • 4:38:56am

can I get an up ding or is is it too honest?

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Anymouse  Nov 14, 2016 • 4:42:22am

re: #174 Edge of a dream AKA Cankles Mccellulite

My friend from France said he has never seen so many men be so sexist than American men. I fought him hard.. Hahaha!

There are plenty of sexist American men.

Strangely, the group of men I found least sexist were those I served in the US Navy with.

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Weaselone  Nov 14, 2016 • 4:49:40am

re: #148 Edge of a dream AKA Cankles Mccellulite

My nieces are gorgeous dark skinned, half Polynesians. And when I say gorgeous, I mean gorgeous. But they want to know what’s wrong with white American people.

I have a good idea what’s wrong. I want to know how to fix it.

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Edge of a dream AKA Cankles Mccellulite  Nov 14, 2016 • 4:51:57am

re: #176 Anymouse

There are plenty of sexist American men.

Strangely, the group of men I found least sexist were those I served in the US Navy with.

Ok. Quit being great. My Brother, ok never mind. it doesn’t matter.

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Anymouse  Nov 14, 2016 • 4:52:05am

re: #177 Weaselone

I have a good idea what’s wrong. I want to know how to fix it.

I wish I bloody knew.

OT: I finally got this answering machine with ninety-eight functions including a death ray and a kitchen sink set up.

Answering machine message: “You’re live on the Beth and James Show! Wat’cha got for our topic?”

My village gets a hoot out of some of the messages I put on our answering machine.

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Edge of a dream AKA Cankles Mccellulite  Nov 14, 2016 • 5:14:17am

I think its so cute how white people, Like me, even though I have African anerican ancestry,.are so horrified. is this surprising?

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Timothy Watson  Nov 14, 2016 • 5:29:20am

re: #169 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I expect Trump is going to make some moves on things like student debt or non-moves on things like abortion that will make him popular with a wider circle of the populace. On the other hand, he will nominate SCOTUS judges who will overturn much of the progress we have made in social issues over the past fifty years.

It will take years for the extent of the damage he inflicts to manifest itself or become clear to us.

We are in the age of alternate media reality: DT can screw up big time and he will be praised for his efforts and his failures blamed on minorities, the media or a cabal of (((bankers))).

He isn’t going to do anything about student debt. He’s not going to spend federal money to pay off the debt because there’s no support in Congress for it and he’s not going to cancel the debt because a lot of it has been securitized and the banks aren’t going to accept the lost.

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Anymouse  Nov 14, 2016 • 5:31:04am

re: #180 Edge of a dream AKA Cankles Mccellulite

I think its so cute how white people, Like me, even though I have African anerican ancestry,.are so horrified. is this surprising?

I’m horrified. I am white, in the sense my skin is melanin-deficient.

That said, I am of Slavic descent, a group that not long ago was not considered “white” in this country.

Steve King (R-IA) now has a green light for his “deport anyone who had grandparents who came in illegally - like my parental grandparents who fled the Nazis.”

I guess I better get on learning Polish, so I can resist a Russian invasion there.

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Anymouse  Nov 14, 2016 • 5:33:01am

John Oliver pillories Donald Trump on Last Week Tonight:

(29:00)

President-Elect Trump: Last Week Tonight with John Oliver (HBO)

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ObserverArt  Nov 14, 2016 • 5:36:27am

Morning!

Well, I feel so much better after having seen Reince Priebus on the Today Show.

When asked about Steve Bannon, Reince said he was a great guy and so smart with his college background at Georgetown (National Security Studies) and Harvard (Business).

Savannah Guthrie asked him about Bannon running Brietbart and “Slick” said that wasn’t written by him but others, almost mocking Savannah and the audience like no one knows how a “news” web site works.

Guthrie said, but he owned it and the “buck stops at the top” which Priebus managed to skip right over and babble about something else.

So no problems with Bannon. Move along now.

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Timothy Watson  Nov 14, 2016 • 5:46:55am

I really enjoyed Google’s Doodle for today for the birthday of Frederick Banting, who first isolated and used insulin to treat diabetes, especially since I am type 1 diabetic.

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Timothy Watson  Nov 14, 2016 • 5:54:23am

re: #163 wheat-dogg

Perhaps you could read my post to which she was responding. I included the link.

My point basically was the loss of my vision of Americans as friendly, welcoming people, who would reject Trump’s racism — and that of his followers — as antithetical to American values. That 60 million voted for him, despite those flaws, pretty much destroyed that vision for me, and makes it much harder to tell Chinese students that they’ll perfectly fine visiting or studying in the USA.

My FB friend instead concluded that I was labeling all 60 million as racists, because they disagreed with my point of view, and then went on to excuse Trump’s extremism as mere political rhetoric. She’s not my neighbor. In fact, I’m not even sure we’ve met IRL.

I was hesitant to say anything initially because I didn’t want to insult someone who was a personal friend or relative, but the commenter on Facebook seemed incredibly dense.

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wheat-dogg  Nov 14, 2016 • 5:56:29am

re: #187 Timothy Watson

I was hesitant to say anything initially because I didn’t want to insult someone who was a personal friend or relative, but the commenter on Facebook seemed incredibly dense.

She voted for Gary Johnson. That pretty much says it all.

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jeffreyw  Nov 14, 2016 • 5:57:57am
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Unshaken Defiance  Nov 14, 2016 • 6:03:44am
David Leonhardt, a columnist for The New York Times, noted on Friday that if current trends hold, Clinton will have a 1.7-percentage-point popular vote lead over Trump. That means Clinton will have a larger margin of victory than Richard Nixon had over Hubert Humphrey in 1968 or John F. Kennedy had over Nixon in 1960. (Her edge is also larger than Al Gore’s popular vote victory over George W. Bush in 2000, though he too was stymied by an electoral college loss.)

huffingtonpost.com

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darthstar  Nov 14, 2016 • 6:06:31am

re: #183 Anymouse

John Oliver pillories Donald Trump on Last Week Tonight:

(29:00)

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I’m glad he only pilloried Trump because earlier he destroyed him and he went on to win the presidency.

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Anymouse  Nov 14, 2016 • 6:06:40am

re: #186 Timothy Watson

I really enjoyed Google’s Doodle for today for the birthday of Frederick Banting, who first isolated and used insulin to treat diabetes, especially since I am type 1 diabetic.

Perhaps some day another research scientist (probably not in this country, because if they know what’s good for them they are going to flee now) will isolate or create a way to cure Type I diabetes.

My cat thanks him too.

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Belafon  Nov 14, 2016 • 6:07:43am

I agree with this, Stay angry. That’s the only way to uphold principles in Trump’s America.:

The demons that have haunted our society for decades and even centuries, the vile illiberalism that currently disgraces other governments in the West, will now inhabit the White House. Difficult times are giving way to dark times, and dark times require a special lucidity and a special vigilance and a special ferocity about principle. We must not lose our faith in moral progress and in social progress, but we must remember that moral progress and social progress are not linear and unimpeded and inevitable. […]

The prettification of Donald Trump has begun. When a crushed Hillary Clinton graciously asked that Trump be given “a chance to succeed,” I confess that I felt no such graciousness. This made me as small as Mitch McConnell, I know. But if Trump succeeds, America may fail; and it is America, its values and its interests, whose success matters most desperately to me. No cooling off, then. We must stay hot for America. The political liberty that we cherish in this precious republic is most purely and exhilaratingly experienced as the liberty to oppose.

I’m also angry, and frustrated, at how so many people are just going on as if nothing different is happening.

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wheat-dogg  Nov 14, 2016 • 6:13:36am

re: #193 Belafon

I agree with this, Stay angry. That’s the only way to uphold principles in Trump’s America.:

I’m also angry, and frustrated, at how so many people are just going on as if nothing different is happening.

Because most of the presidential transitions in recent memory have not created anything substantially different from the previous administration. True, there were some definite changes in policy, but we didn’t face the kind of wild-eyed radicalism that is present in the Trump contingent. Their complacency may start to waver once the GOP begins enacting the legislation they’ve been salivating over for 30 years.

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LastYearsMan  Nov 14, 2016 • 6:16:39am

Has no one posted about those Kiwi cows yet? Stranded after the earthquake…

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Sir John Barron  Nov 14, 2016 • 6:16:42am

I wonder what official post Trump will appoint Jones to?

half sarc

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wheat-dogg  Nov 14, 2016 • 6:18:59am

re: #195 LastYearsMan

Has no one posted about those Kiwi cows yet? Stranded after the earthquake…

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Yup. Our man in New Zealand shared it downstairs.

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LastYearsMan  Nov 14, 2016 • 6:20:39am

re: #197 wheat-dogg

Yup. Our man in New Zealand shared it downstairs.

Ah, drat. Missed it.

What are the redundancy protocols around here? Just move on? Or should I take it down and say something self-deprecating?

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wheat-dogg  Nov 14, 2016 • 6:21:40am

re: #198 LastYearsMan

Ah, drat. Missed it.

What are the redundancy protocols around here? Just move on? Or should I take it down and say something self-deprecating?

Leave it up. Not everyone compulsively reads through the threads.

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Anymouse  Nov 14, 2016 • 6:21:42am

re: #194 wheat-dogg

Because most of the presidential transitions in recent memory have not created anything substantially different from the previous administration. True, there were some definite changes in policy, but we didn’t face the kind of wild-eyed radicalism that is present in the Trump contingent. Their complacency may start to waver once the GOP begins enacting the legislation they’ve been salivating over for 30 years.

Actually we did, though it is not in the memories of most Americans.

Warren G. Harding ran the White House like a piggy bank.
Herbert Hoover presided over the run up to the Great Depression.
George Wallace ran a campaign much like Donald Trump, during dark times for the Civil Rights Movement, and Barry Goldwater’s campaign had the same sorts of endorsements then as Mr. Trump has now.
Richard Nixon was run from office lest he face impeachment.
Ronald Reagan ran the most corrupt White House in history (based on numbers of convictions of his staff).

[Funny how all those guys were conservatives. It’s almost as if it is part-and-parcel of conservative ideology, but I digress.]

In my own memory, Ronald Reagan ran up the debt to build up the military to sights unseen since WW2, when we were actually at war.

George W. Bush ran us into an entirely useless and unnecessary war against a nation that did ours no harm, and which we are still cleaning up.

Presidential transitions do make a difference, sometimes profound. (One thing that President Carter does not get credit for, especially from conservatives, was he never led our country into a war.)

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Timothy Watson  Nov 14, 2016 • 6:22:43am

re: #199 wheat-dogg

Leave it up. Not everyone compulsively reads through the threads.

Those bastards!

////

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Dr Lizardo  Nov 14, 2016 • 6:22:55am

Looks like Hayao Miyazaki is coming out of retirement and making one last film - and his first foray into CG animation.

independent.co.uk

Some good news for a change.

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Nov 14, 2016 • 6:29:16am

re: #199 wheat-dogg

Leave it up. Not everyone compulsively reads through the threads.

Uhmmm…… Whistles and quietly walks away.

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Emptor scriptor Remorse  Nov 14, 2016 • 6:30:34am

re: #201 Timothy Watson

I resemble that remark!

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Belafon  Nov 14, 2016 • 6:30:46am

re: #200 Anymouse

Actually we did, though it is not in the memories of most Americans.

Warren G. Harding ran the White House like a piggy bank.
George Wallace ran a campaign much like Donald Trump, during dark times for the Civil Rights Movement, and Barry Goldwater’s campaign had the same sorts of endorsements then as Mr. Trump has now.
Richard Nixon was run from office lest he face impeachment.
Ronald Reagan ran the most corrupt White House in history (based on numbers of convictions of his staff).

[Funny how all those guys were conservatives. It’s almost as if it is part-and-parcel of conservative ideology, but I digress.]

In my own memory, Ronald Reagan ran up the debt to build up the military to sights unseen since WW2, when we were actually at war.

George W. Bush ran us into an entirely useless and unnecessary war against a nation that did ours no harm, and which we are still cleaning up.

Presidential transitions do make a difference, sometimes profound. (One thing that President Carter does not get credit for, especially from conservatives, was he never led our country into a war.)

I would add Woodrow Wilson.

And there are some parallels to draw from those. The media was pretty compliant with a number of them. It only really changed against Nixon when the Watergate break-in was discovered.

It’s Bannon’s involvement that really pushes my buttons. I hate to say it, but there’s one person who I would not be sad if he dropped dead from a heart attack.

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Nov 14, 2016 • 6:31:18am

re: #200 Anymouse

…. (One thing that President Carter does not get credit for, especially from conservatives, was he never led our country into a war.)

Conservatives probably consider that another one of his failings.

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Anymouse  Nov 14, 2016 • 6:36:00am

re: #205 Belafon

It’s Bannon’s involvement that really pushes my buttons. I hate to say it, but there’s one person who I would not be sad if he dropped dead from a heart attack.

Throw in Darth Cheney and you have a deal. Daughter Liz is now the wingnut just to my west in the House, and Steve King in Iowa to the east of my House district on the east.

I am beginning to feel trapped here.

In good news, my wife made buckwheat pancakes with Vermont maple syrup (which costs a fortune in Nebraska so it is only a treat around here). Yum. I’m a lucky guy.

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Dr. Matt  Nov 14, 2016 • 6:37:24am

Next time a Bernie Bro starts yapping incoherently (which is 99% of the time)….

What If Democrats Actually DID Turn out. It’s Kinda Looking That Way.

[…]

But there’s a sufficient amount to put her within striking distance of Obama’s 2012 turnout, and help put an end to the argument that she simply didn’t work hard enough.

[…]

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Timothy Watson  Nov 14, 2016 • 6:38:54am

re: #208 Dr. Matt

Next time a Bernie Bro starts yapping incoherently (which is 99% of the time)….

What If Democrats Actually DID Turn out. It’s Kinda Looking That Way.

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They just didn’t turn out in the right states unfortunately.

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RinaX  Nov 14, 2016 • 6:39:04am

I just read a great post by Betty Cracker over at Balloon Juice, that had some stats that showed that ultimately, it was hate about the “others” that were driving voters and not “economic” concerns. So his first policy priorities are going to be things that will, or so his fan club thinks, only hurt “those” people. So the ACA will be butchered, and all sorts of police brutality tactics will get the full stamp of approval from the new administration cloaked in law and order against the troublesome blacks and Hispanics.

I think they’ll leave gay marriage and marijuana legalization alone. Quite frankly, those are two issues that might really mobilize white voters who don’t give a shit otherwise about people of color, and who buy into the bullshit that Medicare is going broke, and who even think it might be a good idea to have SS be tied to the stock market.

With this administration who knows, but that’s what my gut is telling me.

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Anymouse  Nov 14, 2016 • 6:40:25am

re: #209 Timothy Watson

They just didn’t turn out in the right states unfortunately.

That would be all fifty, correct?

My boss who fired me because he claimed “both sides were equal” and I objected to his vote for Vermin Supreme in Tennessee is part of the problem.

Even in places like Tennessee, there are enough voters that stayed away from the polls that may have swayed the election.

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Belafon  Nov 14, 2016 • 6:40:36am

re: #208 Dr. Matt

Next time a Bernie Bro starts yapping incoherently (which is 99% of the time)….

What If Democrats Actually DID Turn out. It’s Kinda Looking That Way.

I think it’s time we all stopped fighting amongst ourselves. We’ve got a way bigger problem now. What all of this does mean is that we can start every argument with “Trump lost the popular vote. Everything he and Republicans try will only make voters angrier.”

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Anymouse  Nov 14, 2016 • 6:41:42am

re: #210 RinaX

I just read a great post by Betty Cracker over at Balloon Juice, that had some stats that showed that ultimately, it was hate about the “others” that were driving voters and not “economic” concerns. So his first policy priorities are going to be things that will, or so his fan club thinks, only hurt “those” people. So the ACA will be butchered, and all sorts of police brutality tactics will get the full stamp of approval from the new administration cloaked in law and order against the troublesome blacks and Hispanics.

I think they’ll leave gay marriage and marijuana legalization alone. Quite frankly, those are two issues that might really mobilize white voters who don’t give a shit otherwise about people of color, and who buy into the bullshit that Medicare is going broke, and who even think it might be a good idea to have SS be tied to the stock market.

With this administration who knows, but that’s what my gut is telling me.

On cannabis: Rudy Giuliani hates cannabis. It is against Federal law. You don’t think he won’t go after that? Federal laws trump state laws.

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Dr. Matt  Nov 14, 2016 • 6:42:09am
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Anymouse  Nov 14, 2016 • 6:42:59am

On same-sex marriage, you don’t think VP Mike Pence, dominionist in chief, won’t work to overturn that? Good luck with that. He despises the idea of same-sex marriage and thinks gay conversion therapy is a thing.

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Belafon  Nov 14, 2016 • 6:43:25am

re: #210 RinaX

I just read a great post by Betty Cracker over at Balloon Juice, that had some stats that showed that ultimately, it was hate about the “others” that were driving voters and not “economic” concerns. So his first policy priorities are going to be things that will, or so his fan club thinks, only hurt “those” people. So the ACA will be butchered, and all sorts of police brutality tactics will get the full stamp of approval from the new administration cloaked in law and order against the troublesome blacks and Hispanics.

I think they’ll leave gay marriage and marijuana legalization alone. Quite frankly, those are two issues that might really mobilize white voters who don’t give a shit otherwise about people of color, and who buy into the bullshit that Medicare is going broke, and who even think it might be a good idea to have SS be tied to the stock market.

With this administration who knows, but that’s what my gut is telling me.

The problem Republicans are going to run into is that it’s actually going to be hard to hurt “others” without hurting their supporters. Yes, a lot of minorities got health care because of the ACA; but so did a whole lot of whites. Medicare changes are going to hurt their base, no matter how they try to finagle it. Whites receive most SNAP money.

We have to use that.

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Skip Intro  Nov 14, 2016 • 6:43:33am

re: #195 LastYearsMan

Dammit. They’re all going to die.

Even the animals can’t catch break in this most horrible of all years.

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wheat-dogg  Nov 14, 2016 • 6:43:54am

re: #200 Anymouse

Actually we did, though it is not in the memories of most Americans.

Warren G. Harding ran the White House like a piggy bank.
George Wallace ran a campaign much like Donald Trump, during dark times for the Civil Rights Movement, and Barry Goldwater’s campaign had the same sorts of endorsements then as Mr. Trump has now.
Richard Nixon was run from office lest he face impeachment.
Ronald Reagan ran the most corrupt White House in history (based on numbers of convictions of his staff).

[Funny how all those guys were conservatives. It’s almost as if it is part-and-parcel of conservative ideology, but I digress.]

In my own memory, Ronald Reagan ran up the debt to build up the military to sights unseen since WW2, when we were actually at war.

George W. Bush ran us into an entirely useless and unnecessary war against a nation that did ours no harm, and which we are still cleaning up.

Presidential transitions do make a difference, sometimes profound. (One thing that President Carter does not get credit for, especially from conservatives, was he never led our country into a war.)

Wallace was never president, so let’s ignore him.

I was not considering events during the administrations, but the transitions.

Nixon to Ford was dramatic because of the resignation, but as Ford was the VP, there were no substantial policy changes. Business as usual.
Carter to Reagan — the most dramatic, as RR was more right-wing than Nixon or the two Bushes. Still, the nation pretty carried on as nothing happened, even with all the Reagan scandals.
Reagan-Bush I-Clinton-Bush II - bouncing around the centerpoint after Bush I moderated some of Reagan’s policies.
Bush II to Obama — the shift was from center-right to center-left. Not terribly dramatic, unless you ask a RWNJ.

My point was, with the exception of Carter-Reagan, most the transitions were a matter of degree along the political spectrum.

Obama to Trump threatens to be a major regime change, if the RWNJs, neo-Nazis and granny-starvers get their way. It’s not going to be business as usual, as the threatened changes are going to affect Ma and Pa Everyman, and not in a good way.

With the exception of Reagan, we’ve not had a radical right-wing presidency since WWII. Most voters can’t remember that far back, even if they were alive then.

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Dr. Matt  Nov 14, 2016 • 6:44:10am

re: #214 Dr. Matt

It’s not the economy, stupid.

Gas prices and the employment rate are at a 7 year low. Median income is at a 7 year high. DJI is at an all-time high. Yet, Drump was able to convince the deplorables that America is a shit hole.

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Anymouse  Nov 14, 2016 • 6:44:18am

re: #212 Belafon

I think it’s time we all stopped fighting amongst ourselves. We’ve got a way bigger problem now. What all of this does mean is that we can start every argument with “Trump lost the popular vote. Everything he and Republicans try will only make voters angrier.”

It is already an article of faith in the wingnutophere that liberals are lying and Mr. Trump actually won the popular vote (see fever swamps like Free Republic and Twitter). Good luck with that.

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RinaX  Nov 14, 2016 • 6:45:57am

re: #213 Anymouse

On cannabis: Rudy Giuliani hates cannabis. It is against Federal law. You don’t think he won’t go after that? Federal laws trump state laws.

I think they’re cunning enough to make all sorts of noises about it, but not actually do anything that will piss off white voters who otherwise don’t give a shit. Think Log Cabin Republicans types, or the worst types of the reddit crowd.

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wheat-dogg  Nov 14, 2016 • 6:46:15am

re: #203 Colère Tueur de Lapin

Uhmmm…… Whistles and quietly walks away.

LOL. I’m usually online while most of the American lizards are sound asleep, and vice versa. I try to catch up on the threads, but when they exceed 500 comments, I just skip to the most recent post most of the time. I love you all, but I do have a job to tend to.

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Timothy Watson  Nov 14, 2016 • 6:47:45am

re: #211 Anymouse

That would be all fifty, correct?

I honestly don’t know. If you compare polls to the end result, Virginia ended up being pretty close to predicted after Northern Virginia got their results in.

Pennsylvania, North Carolina, Florida etc.? Not so much.

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wheat-dogg  Nov 14, 2016 • 6:47:57am

re: #205 Belafon

I would add Woodrow Wilson.

And there are some parallels to draw from those. The media was pretty compliant with a number of them. It only really changed against Nixon when the Watergate break-in was discovered.

It’s Bannon’s involvement that really pushes my buttons. I hate to say it, but there’s one person who I would not be sad if he dropped dead from a heart attack.

Bannon’s liver will probably give out first, from the looks of him.

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Belafon  Nov 14, 2016 • 6:47:59am

re: #220 Anymouse

It is already an article of faith in the wingnutophere that liberals are lying and Mr. Trump actually won the popular vote (see fever swamps like Free Republic and Twitter). Good luck with that.

And that might be a good way to start sewing some doubt. Ask them to prove it.

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RinaX  Nov 14, 2016 • 6:49:26am

re: #216 Belafon

The problem Republicans are going to run into is that it’s actually going to be hard to hurt “others” without hurting their supporters. Yes, a lot of minorities got health care because of the ACA; but so did a whole lot of whites. Medicare changes are going to hurt their base, no matter how they try to finagle it. Whites receive most SNAP money.

We have to use that.

We know that. But look at Paul Ryan repeating his “The ACA killed Medicare” lie with a straight face. Voters in Kentucky voted in a guy who told them he would take away their healthcare, and I guarantee you they will reelect them.

Their primary driver is pissing off liberals and getting back at non-white people. Believe all you want that they will turn on him for breaking campaign promises by essentially turning into the standard Republican administration, they will be right back to support him in two years.

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Anymouse  Nov 14, 2016 • 6:50:17am

re: #221 RinaX

I think they’re cunning enough to make all sorts of noises about it, but not actually do anything that will piss off white voters who otherwise don’t give a shit. Think Log Cabin Republicans types, or the worst types of the reddit crowd.

If you say so. The lawsuit from my state and Oklahoma against Colorado is still proceeding to the Supreme Court.

I fully expect Mr. Giuliani to throw the DOJ’s weight behind the Nebraska-Oklahoma case.

Our governor whinges about how Colorado is subverting Nebraska laws (never mind that cannabis was a thing before Colorado legalised weed - facts are immaterial to conservatives).

There is money to be made in cannabis being illegal, and it is under Federal law.

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Skip Intro  Nov 14, 2016 • 6:50:57am

re: #224 wheat-dogg

Bannon’s liver will probably give out first, from the looks of him.

He looks like a character out of a Charles Bukowski novel.

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Anymouse  Nov 14, 2016 • 6:51:04am

re: #225 Belafon

And that might be a good way to start sewing some doubt. Ask them to prove it.

They don’t need to; as I said above, it is an article of faith. Ask a Christian to prove their claims the Bible is true.

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Dr. Matt  Nov 14, 2016 • 6:51:23am

re: #220 Anymouse

It is already an article of faith in the wingnutophere that liberals are lying and Mr. Trump actually won the popular vote (see fever swamps like Free Republic and Twitter). Good luck with that.

There is an actual meme being spread around of a photoshopped CNN screen shot of the election results giving Drump the popular vote…..yet, a 2 second search on the internet would have easily debunked it. Deplorables are not just idiots, they are lazy idiots.

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LastYearsMan  Nov 14, 2016 • 6:52:20am

Regarding Trump’s apparent “compromises” and pivots… It’s worth remembering that inconsistency and chaos are hallmarks of authoritarian governments. The point is to create a situation that no one feels safe and never knows if they are in compliance or out. The opposition finds it harder to organize because there are no positions to triangulate. That unpredictability also corrodes parties more and puts more power in the person of the leader. All Putin 101 stuff.

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Dr. Matt  Nov 14, 2016 • 6:52:32am

re: #224 wheat-dogg

Bannon’s liver will probably give out first, from the looks of him.

One can only hope and pray.

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Jayleia  Nov 14, 2016 • 6:53:33am

re: #120 Edge of a dream AKA Cankles Mccellulite

Every time I wake up, I see Kelly Anne cackling like a witch. This would be so much easier if I was a masochist.

Trust me, that does NOTHING to help at all.

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Dr. Matt  Nov 14, 2016 • 6:55:57am

re: #231 LastYearsMan

I have no doubt that Trump will not follow through with the vast majority of his asinine campaign promises. My worry is that he’s going to filling his cabinet and the government with the most unsavory and dangerous wingnuts where he will allow them to rule their roost. He’s going to be completely checked out by spring time and will be nothing but a figure head/empty suit.

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Franklin  Nov 14, 2016 • 6:58:03am
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wheat-dogg  Nov 14, 2016 • 6:59:33am

re: #235 Franklin

6100 Pennsylvania Avenue — they were driving around for hours!

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Franklin  Nov 14, 2016 • 6:59:39am

Regarding Roe v Wade and Marriage Equality:

Once he installs his SCOTUS nominees, it is not up to Trump/Pence et al what happens. It depends on challenges to the law.

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Franklin  Nov 14, 2016 • 7:00:28am

re: #236 wheat-dogg

6100 Pennsylvania Avenue — they were driving around for hours!

There are a bunch of these memes going around but this one is my favorite. I can just hear Biden say “IDGAF what they call him”.

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Franklin  Nov 14, 2016 • 7:01:12am

re: #237 Franklin

Sorry, weird double post within a post. Refresh my 237 if it looks odd.

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wheat-dogg  Nov 14, 2016 • 7:01:32am

OK, people. Morning classes tomorrow, so I’m out for a while. Later!

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Timothy Watson  Nov 14, 2016 • 7:01:39am

re: #237 Franklin

Does he understand he has no control over such things outside of nominating SCOTUS appointees?

No.

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Franklin  Nov 14, 2016 • 7:03:09am
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Anymouse  Nov 14, 2016 • 7:03:29am

Massive increases in donations to Planned Parenthood, in the name of Governor Mike Pence:

bbc.com

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lawhawk  Nov 14, 2016 • 7:04:23am

Canaries in the coal mine.

That’s who we are. That’s what we’ve been all along. We’ve been warning about Trump’s bigotry and bigot brigade from day fucking one. Few heeded the call.

Trump retweets white supremacists and bigots. Few raised an eyebrow.

Trump consorts with white nationalists and bigots. Shrugged shoulders from the network media.

Trump wins, not on economic anxiety, but because he appeals to the bigots and racists and misogynists. What economic anxiety there is cannot be addressed with his claims you can wave your hand and coal jobs return to places that have seen coal jobs disappear due to economic reality - natural gas/fracking has put coal mines out of business. Manufacturing jobs aren’t coming back because they were lost not to China or India, but because automation makes it easier for fewer people to make more stuff.

Economic output has never been greater. The stock market is at or near all time highs. Wages are finally going up (thanks to the efforts of unions and employees pushing and demanding minimum wage hikes that have been long in coming).

No, what we’re seeing is that the places that have the highest percentage of white folks who never interact with minorities (race or religion) being misled into thinking that their lot in life is due to foreign immigration taking away their opportunities and jobs and that their way of life is under assault from The Other. Trump played this message masterfully because it’s simple.

Catchphrases work because they’re simple and easy to understand.

These people who voted for Trump have enabled the bigots to run wild, and they’re now in positions of power.

It’s no mistake that that hate crimes are up - anti-Semitic attacks/incidents are up, attacks against Muslims and blacks are up.

The bigot brigade is emboldened - and Trump is the progenitor of this. This is on him - and on those who voted for him (claiming economic anxiety, all while doing better than they’ve done in a decade or demanded that Obamacare be repealed, even if it means those same people might lose health insurance and protections should they have preexisting conditions - like anyone who has ever had cancer, or other chronic diseases, or is aged 18-26 who would not be picked up by their parents insurance, or anyone who couldn’t get insurance except for Medicare expansion, etc.)

There will be a reckoning with these people, but only well after the damage is done - such as with the supreme court picks - and lower court picks, who will do their worst to gut safety net protections, access to care, and access to the vote.

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mmmirele  Nov 14, 2016 • 7:04:44am

I’m just going to drop this here.

An analysis of Donald Trump’s election win and the prospects for his presidency

medium.com

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Sir John Barron  Nov 14, 2016 • 7:06:26am

re: #237 Franklin

During interview w/ 60 Minutes, Trump pledges to overturn Roe v Wade, but won’t touch gay marriage because SCOTUS already ruled on that.
— Tess Owen

SCOTUS already ruled on Roe v Wade, also. This guy….

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Franklin  Nov 14, 2016 • 7:07:37am

re: #246 Sir John Barron

Bingo.

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Sir John Barron  Nov 14, 2016 • 7:07:51am

re: #246 Sir John Barron

SCOTUS already ruled on Roe v Wade, also. This guy….

Does Trump not understand that his SCOTUS appointees might overturn gay marriage as well as Roe v Wade?

(rhetorical question)

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Eventual Carrion  Nov 14, 2016 • 7:08:13am

re: #133 Anymouse

Aw shucks. I’m not too hard to carry off (120#), but if I glue myself to my chair… .

Yeah, a little talked about fact is that fat people are harder to kidnap.

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Anymouse  Nov 14, 2016 • 7:08:46am

nydailynews.com

Investigation in Florida over signs that appeared in a high school “colored” and “whites only”

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Anymouse  Nov 14, 2016 • 7:09:41am

re: #248 Sir John Barron

Does Trump not understand that his SCOTUS appointees might overturn gay marriage as well as Roe v Wade?

(rhetorical question)

Do you think he cares? He is not in a same-sex marriage, it won’t affect him or his family.

My sister on the other hand is in real trouble over this election.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Nov 14, 2016 • 7:12:54am

re: #248 Sir John Barron

Does Trump not understand that his SCOTUS appointees might overturn gay marriage as well as Roe v Wade?

(rhetorical question)

He’s counting on anyone that didn’t vote for him to not understand that.

“Hey folks. I won’t touch SSM!” (but my Supreme court picks sure will!)

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RinaX  Nov 14, 2016 • 7:13:47am

re: #252 GlutenFreeJesus

He’s counting on anyone that didn’t vote for him to not understand that.

“Hey folks. I won’t touch SSM!” (but my Supreme court picks sure will!)

Exactly.

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Anymouse  Nov 14, 2016 • 7:14:13am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 14, 2016 • 7:14:48am

re: #252 GlutenFreeJesus

He’s counting on anyone that didn’t vote for him to not understand that.

“Hey folks. I won’t touch SSM!” (but my Supreme court picks sure will!)

This is his approach exactly: he is going to do a lot of things that make him seem “reasonable”, while the true extent of the damage he does will only manifest itself much farther down the line

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Belafon  Nov 14, 2016 • 7:16:07am

Talked to the one guy at work that I know is a Republican but we could at least have a discussion about the election. I asked him if he knew about Bannon. He said he’d only just heard about him. I told him to look Bannon up, and check out his website and his views on Lenin.

As for him, his hope is that checks and balances will keep Trump from doing anything too bad. I reminded him about Wilson, and his executive order barring blacks from federal employment, and how long it took to recover from that. I think that one of the things Democrats will have to use in the next election is whether their representative kept Trump under control the way the constitution envisions.

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lawhawk  Nov 14, 2016 • 7:16:43am

Van Jones is right - up until the point he downplays the fact that Trump has been a bigot in this campaign from day one. He’s surrounded himself with bigots and white nationalists.

Media types have cleaned up his bigot brigade - calling themselves alt-right, when they’re white nationalists and white supremacists. This is part and parcel of the Trump message. It’s inseparable.

It’s why Trump connected with people on the economic messaging - because Trump exploited The Other - Mexicans, illegals, PoC, Muslims, and the white nationalists/supremacists responded favorably and are among his loudest supporters.

And for him to claim that Bernie and Trump have a shared message ignores that the same bigotry was part of Bernie’s supporters too - they too dismissed and ignore PoC. That’s why Clinton won the nomination - and why she got more votes in the general election than Trump. They just didn’t get her the EC 270 needed to win.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Nov 14, 2016 • 7:21:04am

re: #253 RinaX

Exactly.

And we will fall for it. Then it’s too late.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Nov 14, 2016 • 7:23:03am

re: #255 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

This is his approach exactly: he is going to do a lot of things that make him seem “reasonable”, while the true extent of the damage he does will only manifest itself much farther down the line

That’s why he wants to hold Presidential rallies. To distract the masses with “reasoned talk”, while behind the scenes, he tears this country apart. He knows there will be protesters at his rallies. He will use that to his advantage too.

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lawhawk  Nov 14, 2016 • 7:25:22am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 14, 2016 • 7:25:22am

re: #259 GlutenFreeJesus

That’s why he wants to hold Presidential rallies. To distract the masses with “reasoned talk”, while behind the scenes, he tears this country apart. He knows there will be protesters at his rallies. He will use that to his advantage too.

I have never heard of a President holding rallies after winning the election.

But this, too, will be treated as perfectly normal.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 14, 2016 • 7:26:43am

re: #257 lawhawk

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Van Jones is right - up until the point he downplays the fact that Trump has been a bigot in this campaign from day one. He’s surrounded himself with bigots and white nationalists.

Media types have cleaned up his bigot brigade - calling themselves alt-right, when they’re white nationalists and white supremacists. This is part and parcel of the Trump message. It’s inseparable.

It’s why Trump connected with people on the economic messaging - because Trump exploited The Other - Mexicans, illegals, PoC, Muslims, and the white nationalists/supremacists responded favorably and are among his loudest supporters.

And for him to claim that Bernie and Trump have a shared message ignores that the same bigotry was part of Bernie’s supporters too - they too dismissed and ignore PoC. That’s why Clinton won the nomination - and why she got more votes in the general election than Trump. They just didn’t get her the EC 270 needed to win.

What too many progressives don’t see is the anti elitism stuff is a cover. It’s hollow bullshit. There’s no one more elite than Trump. And you’re right about how the dismissing people of color happened in the Sanders campaign too. Maybe it wasn’t as ugly as Trump’s but it certainly existed and Bernie reenforced that the other day when he talked about the results the same way he did Brexit. Bernie I feel lives a bigger bubble than people like Clinton, Kaine, or the other establishment D’s he fights.

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Timothy Watson  Nov 14, 2016 • 7:26:57am

re: #260 lawhawk

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Fox News didn’t have press access to the White House?

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Belafon  Nov 14, 2016 • 7:26:59am

re: #259 GlutenFreeJesus

That’s why he wants to hold Presidential rallies. To distract the masses with “reasoned talk”, while behind the scenes, he tears this country apart. He knows there will be protesters at his rallies. He will use that to his advantage too.

re: #261 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I have never heard of a President holding rallies after winning the election.

But this, too, will be treated as perfectly normal.

And we have to do everything we (meaning all Democrats) can to press the point that this is not normal.

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Targetpractice  Nov 14, 2016 • 7:27:51am

re: #260 lawhawk

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Sure, the press chose a side…they sided with Trump.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 14, 2016 • 7:28:06am

re: #260 lawhawk

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Oh so now Sean loves executive power again, go get waterbosrded again like you promised, asshole.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 14, 2016 • 7:28:40am

re: #263 Timothy Watson

Fox News didn’t have press access to the White House?

I guess he means him individually.

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Anymouse  Nov 14, 2016 • 7:29:04am

re: #258 GlutenFreeJesus

And we will fall for it. Then it’s too late.

You know what?

For a long while I thought that it might be necessary to flee to Canada or Mexico because I am just about everything the neo-Nazis in our incoming administration hates:

Liberal, atheist, &c.

I’ve changed my mind.

In the military, and in my current elected position, I swore an oath to uphold the Constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic.

While my family fled the Nazis just before they invaded Poland to come here, I will not flee. I will resist, because that is what I swore to do. I will not see my country fall to fascism. I will not.

If that means I am on the short end of a long train somewhere, or if it means I have to die to defend another I don’t even know, then so be it. Because that is what I affirmed - that oath I have taken every four years or so for almost my entire life means something to me.

I affirmed I would uphold the Constitution, not a politician; to the ideals that Constitution represents, not the histrionics du jour.

Moreover, I will stay in Nebraska and resist for what that oath of enlistment I took, and the oath of office I took, actually means. Even if I have no support from anywhere else in the country, my honour means something.

I would rather go down fighting for honour than succumb to any sort of populism.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 14, 2016 • 7:31:15am

Nothing about Trump is normal. He is quite honestly the most unqualified man ever elected president not just in his personal qualifications but also his judgment and wisdom.

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Anymouse  Nov 14, 2016 • 7:31:21am

re: #265 Targetpractice

Sure, the press chose a side…they sided with Trump.

Of course they did, the press is owned by those liberal bastions of thought known as “corporations.”

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Timothy Watson  Nov 14, 2016 • 7:33:25am

re: #267 HappyWarrior

I guess he means him individually.

Getting a press pass isn’t that hard:
foreignpolicy.com

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Belafon  Nov 14, 2016 • 7:33:56am

re: #270 Anymouse

Of course they did, the press is owned by those liberal bastions of thought known as “corporations.”

We do have those two reporters that kept investigating Trump. That’s another thing we have to do, encourage news people to investigate. Trump’s going to help a little. He can’t help going after the NY Times. I have heard that it and the Washington Post have seen a surge in subscriptions.

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William Lewis  Nov 14, 2016 • 7:34:47am

re: #268 Anymouse

Amen, (if you’ll pardon the expression ;)

There can be, will be, must be a resistance from day one.

I, too, took that oath & unlike the Oathbreakers who use it to justify their racism and bigotry, I will uphold the values of the constitution against all our enemies.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Nov 14, 2016 • 7:35:06am

re: #272 Belafon

We do have those two reporters that kept investigating Trump. That’s another thing we have to do, encourage news people to investigate. Trump’s going to help a little. He can’t help going after the NY Times. I have heard that it and the Washington Post have seen a surge in subscriptions.

Two. Let that sink in. Two.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 14, 2016 • 7:35:26am

re: #271 Timothy Watson

Getting a press pass isn’t that hard:
foreignpolicy.com

Yeah but this is Hannity who’s a crying baby just like Trump.

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Anymouse  Nov 14, 2016 • 7:37:37am

re: #272 Belafon

We do have those two reporters that kept investigating Trump. That’s another thing we have to do, encourage news people to investigate. Trump’s going to help a little. He can’t help going after the NY Times. I have heard that it and the Washington Post have seen a surge in subscriptions.

John Oliver in that final episode I linked above encouraged his listeners to subscribe to the Post, the Times, and local newspapers. He pointed out it is the newspapers that are doing investigative journalism, not cable news programmes.

Of note, when Mr. Oliver weighed in on the Net Neutrality fight, a massive surge in tens of millions of public opinions to the FCC caused the FCC to change its position and rule that Internet providers are subject to the Telecommunications Act.

Mr. Oliver may have been a driving force in the surge of subscriptions, which are what newspapers need to survive.

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Belafon  Nov 14, 2016 • 7:37:40am

One of the many things I like about the movie The Martian is that after a major setback, there’s dejection, and then determination to continue trying. That is generally how I do things, and how we all need to act.

Yes, we can all grouse about this and that, but I’m ready to move onto solutions. Last night, I signed up for a recurring donation to the ACLU. I’ll probably look for a couple of others, including the DNC. Then I have to find out how to get my voice heard in all of this. I also plan on regularly writing to the newspaper. I know people who read the Dallas Morning News.

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Belafon  Nov 14, 2016 • 7:39:00am

re: #274 GlutenFreeJesus

Two. Let that sink in. Two.

They were the two most well known, and that was because they went after Trump. There are other reporters at different levels. It’s time we encouraged them all, and maybe, when we see a report we like, write the newspaper telling them about it.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 14, 2016 • 7:41:56am

re: #277 Belafon

One of the many things I like about the movie The Martian is that after a major setback, there’s dejection, and then determination to continue trying. That is generally how I do things, and how we all need to act.

Yes, we can all grouse about this and that, but I’m ready to move onto solutions. Last night, I signed up for a recurring donation to the ACLU. I’ll probably look for a couple of others, including the DNC. Then I have to find out how to get my voice heard in all of this. I also plan on regularly writing to the newspaper. I know people who read the Dallas Morning News.

Only thing we can do is look forward. Cannot let old arguments I.e TPP distract from new battles.

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Anymouse  Nov 14, 2016 • 7:42:39am

re: #273 William Lewis

Amen, (if you’ll pardon the expression ;)

There can be, will be, must be a resistance from day one.

I, too, took that oath & unlike the Oathbreakers who use it to justify their racism and bigotry, I will uphold the values of the constitution against all our enemies.

Thank you Mr. Lewis. I know I am not the only veteran in the fight to uphold the Constitution. The Oath Keepers organisation is a minority; they just don’t know they are.

A conservative administration in the White House is not necessarily bad; that is the fortunes of politics.

The fascists and bigots that Mr. Trump is encircling himself with are anti-American.

While I do not support some sort of coup, I do support upholding the ideals of our Declaration of Independence and Constitution, and I expect those who represent me to uphold them as well, or I will call them out. I will resist conservatives trying to subvert our democracy in the name of profit, or party, or most especially Putin.

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lawhawk  Nov 14, 2016 • 7:48:15am

Do as I say, don’t do as I do (or would have done).

Right wingers who were threatening to take up arms are upset that people are protesting Trump. There’s so much entitlement wrapped up in this, that it’s crazy.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 14, 2016 • 7:49:15am

re: #281 lawhawk

Do as I say, don’t do as I do (or would have done).

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Right wingers who were threatening to take up arms are upset that people are protesting Trump. There’s so much entitlement wrapped up in this, that it’s crazy.

Typical.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 14, 2016 • 7:50:11am

It’s not different from how they lionized the Bundy Ranch douches and attacked Ferguson and Baltimore protesters.

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Anymouse  Nov 14, 2016 • 7:50:28am

re: #281 lawhawk

Do as I say, don’t do as I do (or would have done).

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Right wingers who were threatening to take up arms are upset that people are protesting Trump. There’s so much entitlement wrapped up in this, that it’s crazy.

Wonkette is a welcome pool of snark in a wingnut swamp full of gators.

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Eventual Carrion  Nov 14, 2016 • 7:51:36am

re: #192 Anymouse

Perhaps some day another research scientist (probably not in this country, because if they know what’s good for them they are going to flee now) will isolate or create a way to cure Type I diabetes.

My cat thanks him too.

There seems to have been some good research with stem cells coming out of the European medical research groups. So of course we will not lead on this and may not even be able to use these techniques, being stem cells and all.

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Anymouse  Nov 14, 2016 • 7:52:36am

re: #285 Eventual Carrion

There seems to have been some good research with stem cells coming out of the European medical research groups. So of course we will not lead on this and may not even be able to use these techniques, being stem cells and all.

Stem cells aren’t in the Bible!

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lawhawk  Nov 14, 2016 • 7:57:03am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 14, 2016 • 7:57:37am

jeebus.

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Franklin  Nov 14, 2016 • 7:59:14am

re: #281 lawhawk

Do as I say, don’t do as I do (or would have done).

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Right wingers who were threatening to take up arms are upset that people are protesting Trump. There’s so much entitlement wrapped up in this, that it’s crazy.

Instant classic

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 14, 2016 • 7:59:37am
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Franklin  Nov 14, 2016 • 8:02:36am
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Belafon  Nov 14, 2016 • 8:03:07am

re: #288 Backwoods_Sleuth

jeebus.

What does the picture show?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 14, 2016 • 8:03:39am

*thunk*

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Anymouse  Nov 14, 2016 • 8:03:40am

re: #288 Backwoods_Sleuth

Hundreds of miles from my home to the nearest liberal sanctuary.

I’ll stay and resist creeping fascism. It would do no good if I moved to Denver or Seattle to try and change this area. All it would do is my county would lose another liberal.

OT: I finally got the programming of the new answering machine done. It no longer speaks in Spanish to me (though I do understand Spanish). It is reporting the correct time and date (it is no longer January 1, 1900 here).

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 14, 2016 • 8:05:16am

re: #292 Belafon

What does the picture show?

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 14, 2016 • 8:07:26am

re: #292 Belafon

What does the picture show?

It shows the discrpancy between rural and urban America., namely that half the US population live in a few dozen counties

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Anymouse  Nov 14, 2016 • 8:07:34am

re: #288 Backwoods_Sleuth

Actually that meme is wrong. Half the population does not live in all those counties. (That is why Hillary Clinton is in excess of two million votes over Donald Trump and still counting.)

The meme is a lie. Moreover, square miles do not vote. The population density of my county, for example (shown in the Nebraska Panhandle) is 3.52 people per square mile.

population.us (with charts of population of Morrill County Nebraska over the last century)

In my area of the state, this is actually one of the more populous counties.

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Dr. Matt  Nov 14, 2016 • 8:07:37am

re: #260 lawhawk

They chose a side. With that logic I should have had a press pass for the Obama WH
— Sean Hannity (@seanhannity) November 14, 2016

These people are fucking idiots.

Sean Hannity: “I’m Not A Journalist”

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mmmirele  Nov 14, 2016 • 8:09:03am

re: #293 Backwoods_Sleuth

*thunk*

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Oh, I can guess. It probably shows that back when Pence was trying to legalize discrimination by businesses against LGBT persons, he was colluding with various church people. And that’s probably just the tip of the iceberg. Maybe he promised to bring back aversion therapy (which he has endorsed in the past).

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retired cynic  Nov 14, 2016 • 8:10:05am

re: #168 freetoken

Major news outlets keep using terms like “firebrand” to label Bannon.

They’re afraid to use more accurate terms.

I am way behind the thread, but NPR is reporting that there is widespread unhappiness with Trump’s selection of Bannon, noting that he was head of Breitbart, and had a history of racist, sexist etc. And I’ve heard that every hour on the hour.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 14, 2016 • 8:10:22am
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Anymouse  Nov 14, 2016 • 8:10:47am

re: #288 Backwoods_Sleuth

The urban areas of the United States for the 2010 Census contain 249,253,271 people, representing 80.7% of the population, and rural areas contain 59,492,276 people, or 19.3% of the population.

In Puerto Rico, 3,493,256 people, or 93.8% of the population, reside in urban areas, and 232,533 people, or 6.2% of the population, reside in rural areas.

In the Island Areas, 92.6% of the population, 347,487 people, live in urban areas, and 7.4% or the population, 27,678 people, live in rural areas.

Of course, the Census Bureau is just a government plot to take your property, your children, or something, whatever wingnuts are claiming this week.

ask.census.gov

That meme is not only a lie, it is a bald-faced lie.

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RinaX  Nov 14, 2016 • 8:12:12am

re: #293 Backwoods_Sleuth

This part made me laugh really, really hard:

Now that the presidential campaign and most of the furor over Hillary Clinton’s email scandal are behind us

Yes, now is the time to bring up these questions. I mean, what need was there to put emphasis on this before the election?!?

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Anymouse  Nov 14, 2016 • 8:12:54am

re: #299 mmmirele

Oh, I can guess. It probably shows that back when Pence was trying to legalize discrimination by businesses against LGBT persons, he was colluding with various church people. And that’s probably just the tip of the iceberg. Maybe he promised to bring back aversion therapy (which he has endorsed in the past).

E-mails only matter if your surname is Clinton.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 14, 2016 • 8:14:10am

re: #302 Anymouse

Of course, the Census Bureau is just a government plot to take your property, your children, or something, whatever wingnuts are claiming this week.

ask.census.gov

That meme is not only a lie, it is a bald-faced lie.

thus my “jeebus” comment that accompanied it.

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Belafon  Nov 14, 2016 • 8:14:20am

re: #300 retired cynic

I am way behind the thread, but NPR is reporting that there is widespread unhappiness with Trump’s selection of Bannon, noting that he was head of Breitbart, and had a history of racist, sexist etc. And I’ve heard that every hour on the hour.

I actually don’t think a lot of Republicans are going to like the bigotry that Bannon represents. Part of the problem, though, is that even if Bannon is somehow prevented from having his official position, how do we keep Trump from listening to him.

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ObserverArt  Nov 14, 2016 • 8:16:01am

re: #189 jeffreyw

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Nice kitty photo. I don’t know if you planned it to make a statement, but it sure does…black and white cats…race depiction.

Also, Black cat almost has white eye and the white cat appears like it has white. And if you draw a straight line down the image through the eyes they are in alignment.

Great image…of course I have to see things through “artist” eyes. I’m going to save that. Is it your image and if it is would you mind if I use it for anything?

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Donkey With No Name  Nov 14, 2016 • 8:16:46am

re: #300 retired cynic

Hell, Bannon has made Japan’s NHK World, not that so many people in the US watch that.

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Anymouse  Nov 14, 2016 • 8:18:15am

re: #305 Backwoods_Sleuth

thus my “jeebus” comment that accompanied it.

Over 80% of the populace resides in urban areas.

While Mrs. Clinton did not win 80% of the vote, that meme you posted is outright propaganda; it is false, it is a lie, it is meant to convince those who are unable or unwilling to do even the simplest research to see if it is true.

Those that see it will simply accept it if they are so inclined. It must be pushed back against or it will become another article of Conservative Religious Faith.

I can’t do it because I am not on social media platforms. It’s up to y’all to call out the liars as liars and make them own their lies.

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Anymouse  Nov 14, 2016 • 8:21:39am

re: #306 Belafon

I actually don’t think a lot of Republicans are going to like the bigotry that Bannon represents. Part of the problem, though, is that even if Bannon is somehow prevented from having his official position, how do we keep Trump from listening to him.

Oh yes they will: The only thing Republicans don’t like about Mr. Bannon’s bigotry is he is not using the approved Republican dog whistle.

Note how all the Republicans have lined up behind Mr. Trump and are equivocating on Mr. Bannon’s role with him.

The few Republicans who opposed Mr. Trump and Mr. Bannon (my own Senator Ben Sasse, Susan Collins of Maine, &c) will be primaried and forced out of office.

The hatred here in my little corner of Nebraska when Ben Sasse came to my county seat was incredible. He’s toast in 2020.

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Donkey With No Name  Nov 14, 2016 • 8:24:15am

re: #297 Anymouse

Even if the plot were true, the logic is very revealing. Why do the gray counties (with half the population) get to override the wishes of the blue counties (with half the population)? Because the people in the gray think that they’re Real America and their desires are automatically more important?

(I mean, yes, we have minority protections to prevent tyrannical majority rule - federalism, the Bill of Rights, etc. That’s Civics 101, and it applies as much to the gray trying to impose on the blue as vice versa.)

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 14, 2016 • 8:25:41am
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Tigger2  Nov 14, 2016 • 8:26:39am

re: #10 Charles Johnson

Wow. My tweet about the LA protest march was just retweeted by Lady Gaga.

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And here I thought my retweet for one of the lefts Icons Stephanie Miller last night was awesome, I bow to your greatness,

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 14, 2016 • 8:27:10am
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Belafon  Nov 14, 2016 • 8:27:56am

re: #310 Anymouse

They were OK with voting for it, because it didn’t rank very high on their list. But I do think it could be a bit like why TV cameras in the south were useful in getting the CRA and VRA passed: People where shamed into not wanting to be part of that.

I’m trying to suggest a way to divide those like my coworkers, low info voters who I think can be shamed, from those who obviously cannot.

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Anymouse  Nov 14, 2016 • 8:30:05am

re: #311 Donkey With No Name

Even if the plot were true, the logic is very revealing. Why do the gray counties (with half the population) get to override the wishes of the blue counties (with half the population)? Because the people in the gray think that they’re Real America and their desires are automatically more important?

(I mean, yes, we have minority protections to prevent tyrannical majority rule - federalism, the Bill of Rights, etc. That’s Civics 101, and it applies as much to the gray trying to impose on the blue as vice versa.)

There is no way the Electoral College is going to go away. That would require a Constitutional amendment; start counting states and when you get to seventeen that reject it, the amendment fails.

That is what the Democrats will have to face (and what I have been arguing here for days). Unless the Democrats are willing to invest time and money in our grey states, they will continue to lose them.

Like it or not, the Democratic Party must adopt a fifty-state strategy or it is only a regional party of coastal cities. The party will live or die by Electoral College math. Popular vote counts for nothing.

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Dr. Matt  Nov 14, 2016 • 8:33:23am

The MSM is now normalizing Trump and his deplorable administration picks. Just heard someone say that Bannon’s job was to push buttons by saying offensive things and keep the base satisfied. America is dying.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 14, 2016 • 8:33:34am

re: #288 Backwoods_Sleuth

jeebus.

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It’s such an absurdly stupid argument and Kurt (DF) knows it.

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Jayleia  Nov 14, 2016 • 8:33:49am

re: #295 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Something something…my team won, I don’t care if people die because of it, but my team won.

Oh, and D_F said that he thought that a Trump presidency would be less disastrous than a Clinton presidency.

I volunteer to hike through the radioactive wastelands in four years to ask him “Do you REALLY think Clinton could have done worse” (assuming I don’t fall to a Radscorpion or Deathclaw on the way).

Can you tell I’m not his biggest fan?

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Anymouse  Nov 14, 2016 • 8:34:07am

re: #315 Belafon

They were OK with voting for it, because it didn’t rank very high on their list. But I do think it could be a bit like why TV cameras in the south were useful in getting the CRA and VRA passed: People where shamed into not wanting to be part of that.

I’m trying to suggest a way to divide those like my coworkers, low info voters who I think can be shamed, from those who obviously cannot.

I’m working on the same here in my little village, but I do not have a national voice. My voice does not extend much past what articles I write for my local paper, and I fear doing that now (but I will continue to write them, because I stand for the Oath of Enlistment and Oath of Office I have affirmed my entire adult life).

May my epitaph read: He stood for freedom and democracy in the darkest of times.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 14, 2016 • 8:35:06am

re: #312 Backwoods_Sleuth

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The GOP-Bretibart marriage is complete. Make them own it.

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Belafon  Nov 14, 2016 • 8:36:56am

re: #317 Dr. Matt

The MSM is now normalizing Trump and his deplorable administration picks. Just heard someone say that Bannon’s job was to push buttons by saying offensive things and keep the base satisfied. America is dying.

Keep this in mind: By this standard, America has died before.

Here’s the optimism: There are, I think, way more of us willing to fight than, say, when Wilson screwed everything up.

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Dr. Matt  Nov 14, 2016 • 8:37:29am

re: #321 HappyWarrior

The GOP-Bretibart marriage is complete. Make them own it.

In the back rooms, they embrace it. The GOP only cares about power. Hence, Trump.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 14, 2016 • 8:37:34am
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HappyWarrior  Nov 14, 2016 • 8:38:25am

The fact of the matter is the EC gives more of a voice to those in less densely populated areas. Why should they have more of a voice than I do? As said, landmasses don’t vote. We don’t give Alaska more EVs because it’s a large state in size.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 14, 2016 • 8:39:11am

re: #323 Dr. Matt

In the back rooms, they embrace it. The GOP only cares about power. Hence, Trump.

They only worried about Trump because they worried about their name brand and electablity. NOw that Trump’s won, that’s no longer a concern for people like REicne and DF.

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Donkey With No Name  Nov 14, 2016 • 8:39:38am

re: #316 Anymouse

I’m merely making a technical observation that to even make this argument requires a presumption that rural voters should get what they like even when they’re in the minority, for reasons which go unstated.

As far as 50-state strategies go, can we give it a rest for a while? NE is extremely unlikely to ever be a tipping point state in the way that MI, NC, or FL were this time around, so even in the logic of the Electoral College we need to focus as far as presidential races go.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 14, 2016 • 8:39:56am

good grief…

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calochortus  Nov 14, 2016 • 8:40:30am

First, I’m happy to see people here are finally looking up and deciding to do whatever we can to preserve what we value. It is our best option. I hope we will be able to share ideas.

Meanwhile, I’ve been looking around and trying to get Trump voter’s assessment of what will make him a success or failure (not an easy task in this deep blue area.)
So far my take, based on a small and totally unscientific sample from random internet groups is that almost no Trump supporter has a metric for success or failure.

You ask what will be viewed as success and people tell you why they voted for him, or that the lack of a Dem. in the White House is success enough.

I asked about specifics-immigration, jobs, infrastructure and did get an actual reply or two. Basically, they want low taxes, lots of good jobs, cheap healthcare, and no illegal immigrants. Now, taxes may be lowered a bit, but not significantly for most. We won’t get the good (union?) jobs back without something like his massive infrastructure program, healthcare has been a problem for decades so he can’t fix it, and we won’t get rid of illegal immigrants unless he crashes the economy with, say, tariffs resulting in higher costs for all. Overall the “change” voters will lose out.
On infrastructure which I presented as something everyone wants to preserve-and a job producing program, I asked if folks wanted a higher deficit to fund it or public/private partnerships (which would mean tolls-and high ones in large, low population states.) The only response I got to that, was “I hadn’t thought about that.”
(I suspect Pence may have “thought about it” what with the lack of profit for investors in the toll road in Indiana.)

My take is that this may be very bad for the GOP in the long run. Trump is already walking back some of the promises that got him elected, he can’t deliver the really important things he promised, and he isn’t going to work well with the legislative branch. The temptation will be there to impeach Trump (who will undoubtedly provide grounds to do so) and replace him with their guy Pence. Half the Trump voters won’t care, but the half that does will be livid and blame the GOP establishment for every failure that ensues.

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Pawn of the Oppressor  Nov 14, 2016 • 8:40:54am

Being a Nazi used to be an impediment to being elected, maybe because people had an uncle or a father who fought them.

Now? Being a Nazi is cool and hip, and has its own Reddit and Hashtag.

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Targetpractice  Nov 14, 2016 • 8:41:33am

re: #328 Backwoods_Sleuth

good grief…

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Not even a fully week and already he’s gone back to form.

Hey Bernie, you haven’t been “white working class” in 30+ years.

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Belafon  Nov 14, 2016 • 8:42:24am

re: #328 Backwoods_Sleuth

good grief…

I’m angry, Bernie, that you cannot see that this wasn’t about economics.

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RinaX  Nov 14, 2016 • 8:43:11am

re: #328 Backwoods_Sleuth

good grief…

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There’s a debate right now over at Balloon Juice over how you stop distinguishing the working class as whites vs. non-whites. I pointed out that our Democratic surrogates have to stop doing this, for one. LOL.

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Dr. Matt  Nov 14, 2016 • 8:43:35am
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darthstar  Nov 14, 2016 • 8:43:39am

re: #328 Backwoods_Sleuth

good grief…

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I know. Peter Daou has been harping on Bernie’s having opinions as well, because he doesn’t have a D next to his name.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 14, 2016 • 8:43:54am

re: #328 Backwoods_Sleuth

good grief…

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I’m tired of him acting like we’ve lost the complete working calss vote. Bernie talk to Hispanic agricultural voters about who they voted for, African-American industrial workers, who they voted for. Stop blaming the fact that the white working class you fetishize wasn’t lost due ot their own resentments. Signed someone with just as much working class creds as you. BTW, maybe if you wanted Democrats to reach out to the working calss more, you could have joined their party more recently.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 14, 2016 • 8:44:54am

re: #331 Targetpractice

Not even a fully week and already he’s gone back to form.

Hey Bernie, you haven’t been “white working class” in 30+ years.

I wager to say Biden and Kaine have less net worth than Bernie yet Bernie thinks he’s this working clas hero who has a monopoly on the working class’s pulse.

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Dr. Matt  Nov 14, 2016 • 8:45:09am

re: #328 Backwoods_Sleuth

good grief…

I come from the white working class, and I am deeply humiliated that the Democratic Party cannot talk to the people where I came from.
— Bernie Sanders (@BernieSanders) November 14, 2016

And annoying, holier than thou, asshole Bernie returns.

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Targetpractice  Nov 14, 2016 • 8:45:47am

re: #335 darthstar

I know. Peter Daou has been harping on Bernie’s having opinions as well, because he doesn’t have a D next to his name.

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What good are Bernie’s “ideas” when he’s an indie who’s running for himself and himself alone?

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Tigger2  Nov 14, 2016 • 8:45:58am

re: #189 jeffreyw

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Anymouse  Nov 14, 2016 • 8:47:52am

re: #324 Backwoods_Sleuth

But there is no such thing as Islamophobia.

My wife played last night a recent YouTube video of Sam Harris arguing that liberals are whitewashing Muslims committing heinous acts in the name of religion.

I enjoyed reading Dr. Harris’s books on morality and faith, but he has a real blind spot concerning religion in general, mostly because despite being an atheist, he is foremost an American conservative.

Christianity’s horrors from abortion clinic bombings to the wingnuts that took over the Mahleur Wildlife Refuge get a pass. They are “lone wolves” or “disaffected Americans” or anything but what they really are; Christian terrorists.

Dr. Harris is like every other conservative (and despite his atheism, he is a “good atheist” so he thinks he will not be oppressed by Dominioinist governance). He expects and demands that every Muslim worldwide in one voice condemn the acts of a vanishingly small number, whilst ignoring what is going on in our country: subverting education, bombing the Atlanta Olympics, shooting abortion doctors, picketing veteran funerals, bombing the Colorado Springs NAACP and mass murder at Planned Parenthood there, &c. (Those aren’t terrorists, they are lone wolves or disturbed individuals: Sam Harris is a good conservative, and proof that education does not equal sensibility.)

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makeitstop  Nov 14, 2016 • 8:48:01am

re: #334 Dr. Matt

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Honestly? I’d rather have Obama doing it than some of the scum Trump has surrounded himself with.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 14, 2016 • 8:48:44am

re: #335 darthstar

I know. Peter Daou has been harping on Bernie’s having opinions as well, because he doesn’t have a D next to his name.

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Darth, sometimes I swear…

Want to make the Democratic Party a better place? Then jump in with both feet and work for changes. Want to be just a whiny dabbler who uses the party when it suits him? Then maintain your precious Independent status.

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retired cynic  Nov 14, 2016 • 8:48:59am

re: #328 Backwoods_Sleuth

good grief…

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grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr!

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Dr. Matt  Nov 14, 2016 • 8:50:11am

re: #342 makeitstop

Honestly? I’d rather have Obama doing it than some of the scum Trump has surrounded himself with.

I concur. But it’s downright embarrassing that he has to.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 14, 2016 • 8:50:54am

re: #342 makeitstop

Honestly? I’d rather have Obama doing it than some of the scum Trump has surrounded himself with.

I’m torn. I hope that Trump realizes that the crowd who got him elected have no clue how to run the country. He’s shown a willingness to fire people he finds incompetent.

OTOH, the whole idea that Obama has to do this….

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 14, 2016 • 8:51:29am

re: #320 Anymouse

May my epitaph read: He stood for freedom and democracy in the darkest of times.

That is assuming that we liberals don’t all wind up in unmarked graves…

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makeitstop  Nov 14, 2016 • 8:53:03am

re: #335 darthstar

I know. Peter Daou has been harping on Bernie’s having opinions as well, because he doesn’t have a D next to his name.

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I agree with Daou. It’s easy for Bernie to say whatever the fuck he wants now (and the ‘white working class’ bit bothers the fuck out of me right now). Trying to dictate how a party conducts itself without actually belonging to said party smacks of gadfly-ism.

Let him join up and maybe people will take what he says seriously. Right now, it looks like he took advantage of Democrats being accommodating to him and letting him run as a Democrat, and now he’s backing away.

Fuck that. Get some skin in the game, Old Man. Otherwise, go back to Vermont and shut the fuck up.

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Franklin  Nov 14, 2016 • 8:53:10am

RE: Coastal elites, Flyover States, Electoral College, Under/Over Representation.

Here is a decent take:

I’m a Coastal Elite From the Midwest: The Real Bubble is Rural America

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darthstar  Nov 14, 2016 • 8:53:25am

re: #343 Blind Frog Belly White

Darth, sometimes I swear…

Want to make the Democratic Party a better place? Then jump in with both feet and work for changes. Want to be just a whiny dabbler who uses the party when it suits him? Then maintain your precious Independent status.

What do you think Bernie is trying to do? He’s not running for President again. He’s still part of the 49 that Democrats count in the Senate. Or would you rather he caucused with the GOP and stopped trying to make the Democratic Party a better place even though he’s technically (on paper) an independent? Why is that label so fucking important to everyone?

I mean, if Trump came out and said he was for a ban on fracking would you be against it because he’s a racist asshole? Can’t agree with him! No sir!

Fuck it. I’ve got a huge project to work on today. I’d best go get on it.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 14, 2016 • 8:56:00am

re: #350 darthstar

What do you think Bernie is trying to do? He’s not running for President again. He’s still part of the 49 that Democrats count in the Senate. Or would you rather he caucused with the GOP and stopped trying to make the Democratic Party a better place even though he’s technically (on paper) an independent? Why is that label so fucking important to everyone?

I mean, if Trump came out and said he was for a ban on fracking would you be against it because he’s a racist asshole? Can’t agree with him! No sir!

Fuck it. I’ve got a huge project to work on today. I’d best go get on it.

He’s not? He didn’t rule it out so no you can’t say that. Why is that label important? Because by refusing to become a Democrat out right, he gives himself a cop out when things go wrong which is what he’s doing here. No, I’m tired of Bernie acting like only he understands the working class. Got news for him, he hasn’t been working class a long time and working class people in Vermont are different than working class people other places. He thinks it’s because “we lost our way” but he can never explain why working class minorities favor the Democrats stronger than ever. HOnestly, in a way Bernie’s just as full of shit as Trump is, making empty promises to run people to a mythological past.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 14, 2016 • 8:56:51am

re: #348 makeitstop

It’s easy for Bernie to say whatever the fuck he wants now (and the ‘white working class’ bit bothers the fuck out of me right now).

^^THIS^^

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Targetpractice  Nov 14, 2016 • 8:57:08am

re: #350 darthstar

What do you think Bernie is trying to do? He’s not running for President again. He’s still part of the 49 that Democrats count in the Senate. Or would you rather he caucused with the GOP and stopped trying to make the Democratic Party a better place even though he’s technically (on paper) an independent? Why is that label so fucking important to everyone?

I mean, if Trump came out and said he was for a ban on fracking would you be against it because he’s a racist asshole? Can’t agree with him! No sir!

Fuck it. I’ve got a huge project to work on today. I’d best go get on it.

Darth, this sore loser attitude is why nobody takes Bros seriously. You wanna change the party, then you gotta be part of the party. You gotta work the machinery, you gotta find people you agree with and nurture their candidacies so they can get into office and vote for change. You need to be there to vote to change the rules, even if (YES!) that means putting that (D) next to your name.

Bernie wants to change the DNC? Fine, he can start by finding some candidates running for lower offices that he supports and getting them elected. He can devote his remaining time in office to getting people out there, registered, and voting for those candidates. He can do something other than acting as if he is Muhammad and the mountain has no choice but to come to him!

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makeitstop  Nov 14, 2016 • 8:58:12am

re: #350 darthstar

What do you think Bernie is trying to do? He’s not running for President again. He’s still part of the 49 that Democrats count in the Senate. Or would you rather he caucused with the GOP and stopped trying to make the Democratic Party a better place even though he’s technically (on paper) an independent? Why is that label so fucking important to everyone?

Judging by recent quotes, his caucusing with Dems is by no means a guarantee.

Is he down with us? He needs to prove it AFAIC.

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Belafon  Nov 14, 2016 • 8:59:14am

(Agreeing with everyone else) Let’s cut off “white working class” at the knees. It’s “working class” period.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 14, 2016 • 9:00:16am

re: #334 Dr. Matt

Trump aides didn’t know entire West Wing had to be hired; Obama, after meeting Trump, plans to spend more time…

Don’t worry, this will be spun as Obama somehow having “sabotaged” WH operations to prevent Trump from hitting the ground running..

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 14, 2016 • 9:01:25am
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HappyWarrior  Nov 14, 2016 • 9:03:08am

re: #357 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Good for Harry.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 14, 2016 • 9:04:49am

re: #355 Belafon

(Agreeing with everyone else) Let’s cut off “white working class” at the knees. It’s “working class” period.

This, I’m tired of white working class voters having their concerns treated like they’re so fucking special and I Say this as a descendant of them. Senator Sanders seems to think that he’s their only voice in Washington and he’s not. I’m tired of his arrogance. I really am. Do I appreciate that he campaigned for Clinton? Yes, but I sure as hell am tired of his lying and overlooking the real bigotry and resentments among the group he decries that we’ve lost.

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Anymouse  Nov 14, 2016 • 9:05:15am

re: #325 HappyWarrior

The fact of the matter is the EC gives more of a voice to those in less densely populated areas. Why should they have more of a voice than I do? As said, landmasses don’t vote. We don’t give Alaska more EVs because it’s a large state in size.

I agree: My vote in Nebraska should count no more or less than one in Massachusetts or California.

But the rules as constructed in the Constitution are electoral votes. Unless the Democrats want to run in our states, they are going to lose.

I don’t care if California goes to Hillary Clinton by twenty million votes over Donald Trump, it makes no difference under the Constitution. The Democratic Party has to run campaigns as the Constitution is constructed, not as liberals wish it is constructed.

Every state the party chooses to cede without a fight is more electoral votes for the Republicans. ID, MT, UT, ND, SD, NE, OK, KS, TX, LA, AR, KY, TN, LA, AL, MS.

I probably missed a few. That’s an awful lot of Electoral Votes that the Democrats say “fuck it.”

California is ofttimes mentioned as the “death star” of electoral politics. Guess what? That list of states that the party doesn’t try to compete in, because reasons (too hard, costs money, too many bigots, too many rednecks, pick an excuse) is way more electoral votes than CA.

The Democratic Party likes to claim it is the party of all the people. That is, except the people in the middle of the country. Too hard to represent those people.

I’ve made these arguments before and been pilloried for them here. Too bad. Liberals are just as bad as math as conservatives are when the math doesn’t serve liberal interests.

The math is clear. The Democrats are ceding a number of electoral votes bigger than Californian, then wonder why they lost. Popular votes don’t matter if Hillary Clinton wins by fifty million votes.

Fight for these states or try to win without them. The red wall of over a hundred electoral votes is twice the worth of California, and that is simple math. Everything I have heard here (too hard, too much money, &c ad nauseum) is an excuse.

The Democratic Party doesn’t care to fight here. That is the reality. The Democratic Party is in fact a regional party no matter how you care to deny it.

While that ridiculous map meme posted above about population is far from correct, it is more than correct about electoral votes.

If the Democrats think Nebraska is too hard to fight for, they ceded five electoral votes. Wyoming? Three more. North Dakota, three more. You start stacking up that pile for “strategic targeting” of swing areas, the Democrats will lose us. Constituents listen to who comes here, who advertises here. Democrats? Crickets.

One member of my village board got the GOP to pay for radio adverts. I can’t imagine the Democrats doing that for me, and I expect my time as the only elected Democrat in eleven counties is numbered. Precisely because the party writes off the state. Well, five electoral votes to the R party. That’s five the Dems have to make up somewhere else, and they can’t squeeze them out of Massachusetts or California.

The Democrats need to get out of their safe spaces.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 14, 2016 • 9:07:58am

re: #360 Anymouse

I agree: My vote in Nebraska should count no more or less than one in Massachusetts or California.

But the rules as constructed in the Constitution are electoral votes. Unless the Democrats want to run in our states, they are going to lose.

I don’t care if California goes to Hillary Clinton by twenty million votes over Donald Trump, it makes no difference under the Constitution. The Democratic Party has to run campaigns as the Constitution is constructed, not as liberals wish it is constructed.

Every state the party chooses to cede without a fight is more electoral votes for the Republicans. ID, MT, UT, ND, SD, NE, OK, KS, TX, LA, AR, KY, TN, LA, AL, MS.

I probably missed a few. That’s an awful lot of Electoral Votes that the Democrats say “fuck it.”

California is ofttimes mentioned as the “death star” of electoral politics. Guess what? That list of states that the party doesn’t try to compete in, because reasons (too hard, costs money, too many bigots, too many rednecks, pick an excuse) is way more electoral votes than CA.

The Democratic Party likes to claim it is the party of all the people. That is, except the people in the middle of the country. Too hard to represent those people.

I’ve made these arguments before and been pilloried for them here. Too bad. Liberals are just as bad as math as conservatives are when the math doesn’t serve liberal interests.

The math is clear. The Democrats are ceding a number of electoral votes bigger than Californian, then wonder why they lost. Popular votes don’t matter if Hillary Clinton wins by fifty million votes.

Fight for these states or try to win without them. The red wall of over a hundred electoral votes is twice the worth of California, and that is simple math. Everything I have heard here (too hard, too much money, &c ad nauseum) is an excuse.

The Democratic Party doesn’t care to fight here. That is the reality. The Democratic Party is in fact a regional party no matter how you care to deny it.

While that ridiculous map meme posted above about population is far from correct, it is more than correct about electoral votes.

If the Democrats think Nebraska is too hard to fight for, they ceded five electoral votes. Wyoming? Three more. North Dakota, three more. You start stacking up that pile for “strategic targeting” of swing areas, the Democrats will lose us. Constituents listen to who comes here, who advertises here. Democrats? Crickets.

One member of my village board got the GOP to pay for radio adverts. I can’t imagine the Democrats doing that for me, and I expect my time as the only elected Democrat in eleven counties is numbered. Precisely because the party writes off the state. Well, five electoral votes to the R party. That’s five the Dems have to make up somewhere else, and they can’t squeeze them out of Massachusetts or California.

The Democrats need to get out of their safe spaces.

When we win those states, we’re going to do it through building up a presence there over time. The National Democratic Party being involved there isn’t going to change that. That’s why I think the next party chair needs to emphasize what O’Neill so simply said about all politics being local.

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CriticalDragon1177  Nov 14, 2016 • 9:10:14am

Another possible Trump nominee that will make America worse.

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allegro  Nov 14, 2016 • 9:10:59am

re: #360 Anymouse

Democrats have been fighting for them all along. They got them healthcare, unemployment, SNAP, VA benefits, on and on. Red states have benefitted just like blue states. This “whaaaa! They didn’t come visit my little town so that means they don’t care” crap is just that, crap.

The endless whining is really annoying

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Jenner7  Nov 14, 2016 • 9:11:04am

I’m deeply humiliated that Bernie is scolding the Democratic party he isn’t a part of.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 14, 2016 • 9:11:27am

re: #362 CriticalDragon1177

Another possible Trump nominee that will make America worse.

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DRAIN THE SWAMP. // Seriously though, that’s fucking awful. Hope all the smug assholes who deluded themseles that Trump was “better” on FP than Clinton are fucking waching.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 14, 2016 • 9:12:03am

re: #363 allegro

Democrats have been fighting for them all along. They got them healthcare, unemployment, SNAP, VA benefits, on and on. Red states have benefitted just like blue states. This “whaaaa! They didn’t come visit my little town so that means they don’t care” crap is just that, crap.

The endless whining is really annoying

The Democrats did come along and abolish work safety and EPA rules to bring their mining and factory jobs back!

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Targetpractice  Nov 14, 2016 • 9:13:17am

re: #360 Anymouse

I agree: My vote in Nebraska should count no more or less than one in Massachusetts or California.

But the rules as constructed in the Constitution are electoral votes. Unless the Democrats want to run in our states, they are going to lose.

I don’t care if California goes to Hillary Clinton by twenty million votes over Donald Trump, it makes no difference under the Constitution. The Democratic Party has to run campaigns as the Constitution is constructed, not as liberals wish it is constructed.

Every state the party chooses to cede without a fight is more electoral votes for the Republicans. ID, MT, UT, ND, SD, NE, OK, KS, TX, LA, AR, KY, TN, LA, AL, MS.

I probably missed a few. That’s an awful lot of Electoral Votes that the Democrats say “fuck it.”

California is ofttimes mentioned as the “death star” of electoral politics. Guess what? That list of states that the party doesn’t try to compete in, because reasons (too hard, costs money, too many bigots, too many rednecks, pick an excuse) is way more electoral votes than CA.

The Democratic Party likes to claim it is the party of all the people. That is, except the people in the middle of the country. Too hard to represent those people.

I’ve made these arguments before and been pilloried for them here. Too bad. Liberals are just as bad as math as conservatives are when the math doesn’t serve liberal interests.

The math is clear. The Democrats are ceding a number of electoral votes bigger than Californian, then wonder why they lost. Popular votes don’t matter if Hillary Clinton wins by fifty million votes.

Fight for these states or try to win without them. The red wall of over a hundred electoral votes is twice the worth of California, and that is simple math. Everything I have heard here (too hard, too much money, &c ad nauseum) is an excuse.

The Democratic Party doesn’t care to fight here. That is the reality. The Democratic Party is in fact a regional party no matter how you care to deny it.

While that ridiculous map meme posted above about population is far from correct, it is more than correct about electoral votes.

If the Democrats think Nebraska is too hard to fight for, they ceded five electoral votes. Wyoming? Three more. North Dakota, three more. You start stacking up that pile for “strategic targeting” of swing areas, the Democrats will lose us. Constituents listen to who comes here, who advertises here. Democrats? Crickets.

One member of my village board got the GOP to pay for radio adverts. I can’t imagine the Democrats doing that for me, and I expect my time as the only elected Democrat in eleven counties is numbered. Precisely because the party writes off the state. Well, five electoral votes to the R party. That’s five the Dems have to make up somewhere else, and they can’t squeeze them out of Massachusetts or California.

The Democrats need to get out of their safe spaces.

FFS, get down off that soapbox. We get it, you’re bitter than Hillary didn’t visit every podunk town in the Midwest, because that surely would have flipped enough votes to yield your state to her. And we get that you don’t feel as though the DNC is doing anything to help you personally, that you feel isolated and along in a deep red district in a deep red state.

You want, I’ll trade places with you. You can come live in the deep red district I reside in in Virginia and see how the coast is ever so much more liberal, forgiving, and ready to listen to you.

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makeitstop  Nov 14, 2016 • 9:14:39am

re: #363 allegro

Democrats have been fighting for them all along. They got them healthcare, unemployment, SNAP, VA benefits, on and on. Red states have benefitted just like blue states. This “whaaaa! They didn’t come visit my little town so that means they don’t care” crap is just that, crap.

The endless whining is really annoying

Seconded. For the first time since I arrived at LGF, I find myself wishing for an ‘ignore’ button.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 14, 2016 • 9:14:49am
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Anymouse  Nov 14, 2016 • 9:14:50am

re: #361 HappyWarrior

When we win those states, we’re going to do it through building up a presence there over time. The National Democratic Party being involved there isn’t going to change that. That’s why I think the next party chair needs to emphasize what O’Neill so simply said about all politics being local.

I agree. All politics is local.

We have hundreds of registered Democrats in my county, though I am the only one that ran for office. The rest? They won’t because they know the party will not support them. The party did not support me; I won on my own. I might as well be an independent for all the support I got. A write-in candidate won an open village board seat in the recent election.

What the heck am I supposed to do, when the party actively ignores my state?

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HappyWarrior  Nov 14, 2016 • 9:16:10am

Again if the Dems are going to win those states, it’s not going to be through the national Democratic PArty and its candidates. It’s going to be a true grassroots effort. We talk a lot about the Southern strategy in regards to the GOP and yes it worked but it needs to be remembered that as early as the Truman years, Southern whites slowly began to see the Republican party as more welcoming ot them. My DAd remembers JOel BOryhill here in NOVA elected fifteen years before Nixon.

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Patricia Kayden  Nov 14, 2016 • 9:16:19am

re: #161 Anymouse

Movie, movie, movie!!!! That is over the top romantic. Hope you’ve kept a diary for your kids.

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sagehen  Nov 14, 2016 • 9:16:59am

re: #361 HappyWarrior

When we win those states, we’re going to do it through building up a presence there over time. The National Democratic Party being involved there isn’t going to change that. That’s why I think the next party chair needs to emphasize what O’Neill so simply said about all politics being local.

Also, the coastal/urban Dems (the party’s activist base) need to quit their damn whining about how Ben Nelson and Evan Bayh and Heidi Heitkamp and Joe Manchin and Claire McCaskill aren’t liberal enough. For fuck’s sake, if they were liberal enough to please New Yorkers and Californians they wouldn’t ever have been elected in their states.

A red state Dem senator who’s only a hairsbreadth to the left of a blue state Rep like Mark Kirk… is still a vote for who’ll be majority leader, and who’ll be committee chairs. Who gets to schedule hearings and what legislation ever comes to the floor.

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Anymouse  Nov 14, 2016 • 9:17:20am

re: #363 allegro

Democrats have been fighting for them all along. They got them healthcare, unemployment, SNAP, VA benefits, on and on. Red states have benefitted just like blue states. This “whaaaa! They didn’t come visit my little town so that means they don’t care” crap is just that, crap.

The endless whining is really annoying

Real encouragement for me to run again in 2018. Why do I bother? The job doesn’t pay anything, it takes up a huge amount of my time, and the party and members elsewhere do not care.

You make a fine argument for me to say to hell with it, neither my state nor me matter anyway.

I will seriously take under consideration whether I should bother to run again.

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CriticalDragon1177  Nov 14, 2016 • 9:17:40am

Trump’s election isn’t just emboldening extremists in the US and Europe, it turns out.

Yet Ironically many of Trump’s supporters here in the US are antisemitic and believe that he will stick it to Israel and the Jews. I’m not excusing that, but it is rather strange that he seems to be emboldening both Jewish extremists and Nazis at the same time.

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Jenner7  Nov 14, 2016 • 9:17:47am

Well, I picked a shitty time to show up….

Sigh…

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jeffreyw  Nov 14, 2016 • 9:18:57am

re: #307 ObserverArt

That photo was taken by my wife at the shelter where she volunteers. She says make whatever use of it you will, with her blessing.
Also available @ my Flicker page in various sizes

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CriticalDragon1177  Nov 14, 2016 • 9:19:12am

re: #376 Jenner7

Well, I picked a shitty time to show up….

Sigh…

Don’t be too upset. There’s still plenty we can do to make America and the world a better place, in spite of all this.

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plansbandc  Nov 14, 2016 • 9:19:13am

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Varek Raith  Nov 14, 2016 • 9:19:24am

re: #319 Jayleia

CAZADORS.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 14, 2016 • 9:20:00am

re: #370 Anymouse

I agree. All politics is local.

We have hundreds of registered Democrats in my county, though I am the only one that ran for office. The rest? They won’t because they know the party will not support them. The party did not support me; I won on my own. I might as well be an independent for all the support I got. A write-in candidate won an open village board seat in the recent election.

What the heck am I supposed to do, when the party actively ignores my state?

And I keep on saying taht needs to change. Honestly, when you’re running in an area so hostile to the national Democratic Party, I’d use it to my advantage that the national Democrats aren’t helping me and run as my own individual who happens ot be a Democrat.

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Varek Raith  Nov 14, 2016 • 9:21:29am

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HappyWarrior  Nov 14, 2016 • 9:21:51am

re: #373 sagehen

Also, the coastal/urban Dems (the party’s activist base) need to quit their damn whining about how Ben Nelson and Evan Bayh and Heidi Heitkamp and Joe Manchin and Claire McCaskill aren’t liberal enough. For fuck’s sake, if they were liberal enough to please New Yorkers and Californians they wouldn’t ever have been elected in their states.

A red state Dem senator who’s only a hairsbreadth to the left of a blue state Rep like Mark Kirk… is still a vote for who’ll be majority leader, and who’ll be committee chairs. Who gets to schedule hearings and what legislation ever comes to the floor.

I agree with that. We do have understand that tehse people do represnt their states. I’m not fond of Manchin though honestly. There’s being a conservative Dem and talking openly about splitting parties if there’s a tie in the SEnate. But the others, yes, I;m fine with.. I completely understand they have more conservative constituents than say Illinois or California does.

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Donkey With No Name  Nov 14, 2016 • 9:23:26am

re: #373 sagehen

Also, the coastal/urban Dems (the party’s activist base) need to quit their damn whining about how Ben Nelson and Evan Bayh and Heidi Heitkamp and Joe Manchin and Claire McCaskill aren’t liberal enough. For fuck’s sake, if they were liberal enough to please New Yorkers and Californians they wouldn’t ever have been elected in their states.

A red state Dem senator who’s only a hairsbreadth to the left of a blue state Rep like Mark Kirk… is still a vote for who’ll be majority leader, and who’ll be committee chairs. Who gets to schedule hearings and what legislation ever comes to the floor.

Joe Manchin, ugh: we don’t need people who will trash the rest of their party whenever possible to demonstrate how independent they are. But sure, I’ll take all the McCaskills we can get.

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allegro  Nov 14, 2016 • 9:23:49am

re: #374 Anymouse

Real encouragement for me to run again in 2018. Why do I bother? The job doesn’t pay anything, it takes up a huge amount of my time, and the party and members elsewhere do not care.

You make a fine argument for me to say to hell with it, neither my state nor me matter anyway.

I will seriously take under consideration whether I should bother to run again.

It appears that having your personal ego stroked is more important than the equal rights and safety net fought for by the Democratic party. You ignore all that and give paragraph after paragraph whining about the party not answering your personal calls.

It’s really not about you.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 14, 2016 • 9:25:18am

re: #384 Donkey With No Name

Joe Manchin, ugh: we don’t need people who will trash the rest of their party whenever possible to demonstrate how independent they are. But sure, I’ll take all the McCaskills we can get.

Yeah I’m fine with people like Claire but people like Manchin I really think only use the D party label since it still has an appeal at least locally in WV in a way the GOP label does not. Kind of like how a lot of the Dixiecrats were Democrats but very much separaet from the national party on the vast majority of the issues. Claire’s fine. She’s from a more conservative state but I don’t doubt her.

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RinaX  Nov 14, 2016 • 9:27:47am

re: #373 sagehen

Also, the coastal/urban Dems (the party’s activist base) need to quit their damn whining about how Ben Nelson and Evan Bayh and Heidi Heitkamp and Joe Manchin and Claire McCaskill aren’t liberal enough. For fuck’s sake, if they were liberal enough to please New Yorkers and Californians they wouldn’t ever have been elected in their states.

Blanche Lincoln, Ben Nelson, Evan Bayh, Mary Landrieu, and Max Baucus are the types of senators that you tend to get with a 50-state strategy. I remember the rage against all of them. There was a lot of in-fighting in blogs about the need for them, and how we needed to get better Democrats in those seats.

Let’s say we do make headway over the next two election cycles. How do we keep from blowing up again if these type of Dems replace the Republicans that hold those seats now?

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CriticalDragon1177  Nov 14, 2016 • 9:27:59am

And yet people will insist that Trump isn’t a racist even though he appointed this guy to be his chief adviser

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scottslemmons  Nov 14, 2016 • 9:28:13am

I’m honestly surprised Dark Falcon hasn’t been back here to gloat.

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CriticalDragon1177  Nov 14, 2016 • 9:29:10am

re: #389 scottslemmons

I’m honestly surprised Dark Falcon hasn’t been back here to gloat.

Why?

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makeitstop  Nov 14, 2016 • 9:30:38am

re: #389 scottslemmons

I’m honestly surprised Dark Falcon hasn’t been back here to gloat.

He ain’t coming back here. He knows the bridge to LGF has been well and truly burnt to the water line.

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scottslemmons  Nov 14, 2016 • 9:30:47am

re: #390 CriticalDragon1177

Why?

He seems the type.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 14, 2016 • 9:30:48am

re: #387 RinaX

Blanche Lincoln, Ben Nelson, Evan Bayh, Mary Landrieu, and Max Baucus are the types of senators that you tend to get with a 50-state strategy. I remember the rage against all of them. There was a lot of in-fighting in blogs about the need for them, and how we needed to get better Democrats in those seats.

Let’s say do make headway over the next two election cycles. How do we keep from blowing up again if these type of Dems replace the Republicans that hold those seats now?

They all were obviously far from my favorite Dems but they were Dems none the less. Obviously, a party’s gotta have principles but Nelson to his credit was one of the first people to endorse then Senator Obama for office. There’s a difference between being a conservative Dem and an outright fat fuck. People are going to have to accept that if we return to the 50 state strategy, we will have some Blue Dogs in office.

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Targetpractice  Nov 14, 2016 • 9:31:11am

re: #389 scottslemmons

I’m honestly surprised Dark Falcon hasn’t been back here to gloat.

To gloat, one has to have the balls to do so. And DF wouldn’t be able to get one such post in before he suddenly told us he had to duck off to work and that he’d be back later.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 14, 2016 • 9:31:23am
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HappyWarrior  Nov 14, 2016 • 9:31:34am

re: #389 scottslemmons

I’m honestly surprised Dark Falcon hasn’t been back here to gloat.

Nah, not like him to do that. He knows we’d tear into him. It’s why he was alwlay BBL when the tough got going.

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Emptor scriptor Remorse  Nov 14, 2016 • 9:31:36am

re: #391 makeitstop

It has? I missed the conflagration.

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Anymouse  Nov 14, 2016 • 9:31:48am

re: #376 Jenner7

Well, I picked a shitty time to show up….

Sigh…

Nah, stay. I’m out for the day (I need my sleep). Stay for the bashing of little villages in the Heartland, after all, our Electoral votes don’t matter - Mrs. Clinton won by four million or so popular votes after all.

Yup, I’ve pretty much decided it now. I am not going to waste my time running in my next village board election. We whining little villages don’t matter, and the Democrats apparently don’t want to do the heavy lifting to earn our votes.

One thing’s for sure that I’ve learned here in the last few days, it would appear Democrats in other areas really don’t care about us.

Democrats claiming they would like to represent all the people, at least reading this string from the last several days, is a lie.

You wonder why this state is a one-party state? Go back and look over your comments.

FFS, get down off that soapbox. We get it, you’re bitter than Hillary didn’t visit every podunk town in the Midwest, because that surely would have flipped enough votes to yield your state to her. And we get that you don’t feel as though the DNC is doing anything to help you personally, that you feel isolated and along in a deep red district in a deep red state.

Trump’s surrogates were all over this state. They made damn sure they would win it. FFS, Trump himself rallied in California and Massachusetts.

You think we’ll win elections by ignoring a huge portion of the Electoral College vote? Good luck with that. It ain’t the Republicans that are only one statehouse away from having the necessary number of states to pass Constitutional amendments.

I don’t care how math challenged you are, the party lives or dies by the Electoral college.

I’m out for the day. Feel free to berate me for complaining there is no party support here and why voters show up for the only party that does campaign here.

I will sleep on whether or not I should run again for office. I doubt it. It isn’t worth being attacked by both Democrats and Republicans.

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CriticalDragon1177  Nov 14, 2016 • 9:32:02am

Please media, could you please do your job?

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Jayleia  Nov 14, 2016 • 9:32:51am

re: #390 CriticalDragon1177

I don’t think he’s coming back…a few of us have paid visits to him on Twitter. He doesn’t reply, not even with his infamous BBL and bailout move.

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CriticalDragon1177  Nov 14, 2016 • 9:33:08am

re: #392 scottslemmons

He seems the type.

Okay than, but even so, what would he have to gloat about?

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Targetpractice  Nov 14, 2016 • 9:33:38am

re: #387 RinaX

Blanche Lincoln, Ben Nelson, Evan Bayh, Mary Landrieu, and Max Baucus are the types of senators that you tend to get with a 50-state strategy. I remember the rage against all of them. There was a lot of in-fighting in blogs about the need for them, and how we needed to get better Democrats in those seats.

Let’s say do make headway over the next two election cycles. How do we keep from blowing up again if these type of Dems replace the Republicans that hold those seats now?

Blue Dogs like those are the kind that succeed in the Midwest, in the South, in Appalachia. They’re the kind who got their asses ripped up one side and down the other for taking a gamble on the ACA. A 50 state strategy may give us back Congress, but it will not give us a glorious progressive revolution. It’s a one-or-the-other choice: A Democratic Congress or a progressive party. Can’t really have both.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 14, 2016 • 9:33:45am
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HappyWarrior  Nov 14, 2016 • 9:33:48am

re: #400 Jayleia

I don’t think he’s coming back…a few of us have paid visits to him on Twitter. He doesn’t reply, not even with his infamous BBL and bailout move.

Hard to do that on Twitter. On Twitter, he can just ignore y’all.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 14, 2016 • 9:34:06am

re: #401 CriticalDragon1177

Okay than, but even so, what would he have to gloat about?

His team won and I don’t mean the Cubs.

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RinaX  Nov 14, 2016 • 9:34:39am

re: #393 HappyWarrior

The only one I truly hated was Joe Lieberman. Fuck that guy to hell and back. The rest I could deal with more or less.

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makeitstop  Nov 14, 2016 • 9:34:56am

re: #397 Emptor scriptor Remorse

It has? I missed the conflagration.

There really was none. He did his bridge-burning on Twitter, and other Lizards noticed. A few of them called him out on it. As many people here predicted, he went all-in on Trump at the end of the day.

A bridge burned on another platform is still a bridge burned. He won’t be back.

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CriticalDragon1177  Nov 14, 2016 • 9:35:20am

re: #405 HappyWarrior

His team won and I don’t mean the Cubs.

He was a Trump supporter?

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HappyWarrior  Nov 14, 2016 • 9:35:34am

re: #402 Targetpractice

Blue Dogs like those are the kind that succeed in the Midwest, in the South, in Appalachia. They’re the kind who got their asses ripped up one side and down the other for taking a gamble on the ACA. A 50 state strategy may give us back Congress, but it will not give us a glorious progressive revolution. It’s a one-or-the-other choice: A Democratic Congress or a progressive party. Can’t really have both.

That’s what I’ve tried telling progressive purists for years. Okay, you want a progressive party, that’s good but if you want a majority in Congress, the way we’re set up, you will have some conservative Dems that you won’t like. I mean I do think there’s a dividing line somewhere and I guess that’s the real struggle.

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Emptor scriptor Remorse  Nov 14, 2016 • 9:35:48am

re: #407 makeitstop

Thank you for the reply, twitter is still dumb.

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Varek Raith  Nov 14, 2016 • 9:36:44am

Some cute comedy is in order.

RWBY Chibi – Episode 1

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GlutenFreeJesus  Nov 14, 2016 • 9:36:45am

re: #395 Backwoods_Sleuth

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HappyWarrior  Nov 14, 2016 • 9:37:05am

re: #406 RinaX

The only one I truly hated was Joe Lieberman. Fuck that guy to hell and back. The rest I could deal with more or less.

I feel awful that I once while I hated Lieberman’s past as censurer of music and video games defended him as a goodl, loyal Democrat. That all changed when he backed McCain over Obama AFTER Obama had been one of thew few Senate Dems to support his indy run. JOe has no loyalty nor appreciation for anyone. And then I ahd to hear it from Republicans who terat their turncoasts far worse about how the Dems were just awful to Joe Liebramn.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 14, 2016 • 9:37:17am

re: #408 CriticalDragon1177

He was a Trump supporter?

He was a RAH RAH TEAM supporter.

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scottslemmons  Nov 14, 2016 • 9:37:20am

re: #401 CriticalDragon1177

Okay than, but even so, what would he have to gloat about?

There ain’t a lot of logic in gloating. “My team won, and yours lost. Nyaaah.”

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RinaX  Nov 14, 2016 • 9:37:44am

re: #409 HappyWarrior

That’s what I’ve tried telling progressive purists for years. Okay, you want a progressive party, that’s good but if you want a majority in Congress, the way we’re set up, you will have some conservative Dems that you won’t like. I mean I do think there’s a dividing line somewhere and I guess that’s the real struggle.

I agree completely. And yes, there does have to be a line at some point. I’d give anything to still be bitching about those types who voted with us most of the time, though.

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Dr. Matt  Nov 14, 2016 • 9:38:53am

re: #389 scottslemmons

I’m honestly surprised Dark Falcon hasn’t been back here to gloat.

Gloating over the most unqualified candidate ever who is a flat-out hateful racist and mygonsist? Good riddance. IMO, I hope he doesn’t return.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 14, 2016 • 9:39:29am

re: #408 CriticalDragon1177

He was a Trump supporter?

Honestly, I’d say worse. Judging by what others posted on him from Twitter, he acknowledged Trump was bad but kept on harping about how Hillary was worse. I really have no respect for him anymore.

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makeitstop  Nov 14, 2016 • 9:39:34am

re: #398 Anymouse

Nah, stay. I’m out for the day (I need my sleep). Stay for the bashing of little villages in the Heartland, after all, our Electoral votes don’t matter - Mrs. Clinton won by four million or so popular votes after all.

Yup, I’ve pretty much decided it now. I am not going to waste my time running in my next village board election. We whining little villages don’t matter, and the Democrats apparently don’t want to do the heavy lifting to earn our votes.

One thing’s for sure that I’ve learned here in the last few days, it would appear Democrats in other areas really don’t care about us.

Democrats claiming they would like to represent all the people, at least reading this string from the last several days, is a lie.

You wonder why this state is a one-party state? Go back and look over your comments.

Trump’s surrogates were all over this state. They made damn sure they would win it. FFS, Trump himself rallied in California and Massachusetts.

You think we’ll win elections by ignoring a huge portion of the Electoral College vote? Good luck with that. It ain’t the Republicans that are only one statehouse away from having the necessary number of states to pass Constitutional amendments.

I don’t care how math challenged you are, the party lives or dies by the Electoral college.

I’m out for the day. Feel free to berate me for complaining there is no party support here and why voters show up for the only party that does campaign here.

I will sleep on whether or not I should run again for office. I doubt it. It isn’t worth being attacked by both Democrats and Republicans.

Yet you’ve been sitting here attacking Democrats since the election was called. You get to rag on us, but we can’t hurt your feels?

Like someone else said when you were ragging on Democrats three days ago (or was it four? Five? I’ve lost count), if Middle America wants respect from the coasts, they have to give a little respect in return.

You? You’ve been attacking people here non-stop, in your ongoing orgy of fucking self-pity. And you want us to sit and take it?

That ain’t how it works, pal. You get what you give.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 14, 2016 • 9:39:58am

re: #416 RinaX

I agree completely. And yes, there does have to be a line at some point. I’d give anything to still be bitching about those types who voted with us most of the time, though.

Right, I hated hearing the constant whining about the DLC when I Was on DU in the Bush years.

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Jayleia  Nov 14, 2016 • 9:40:07am

He repeatedly said that he wouldn’t vote for Trump, since his home state was so reliably blue that one vote wouldn’t change anything.

But…

…and other than that he voted for his team, as far as I know, which is all people that will support Trump’s ideas. So he’s a one-degree-of-separation Trump voter

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Dr. Matt  Nov 14, 2016 • 9:40:09am

re: #414 Backwoods_Sleuth

He was a RAH RAH TEAM supporter.

i.e., typical republican.

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CriticalDragon1177  Nov 14, 2016 • 9:40:54am

re: #411 Varek Raith

Thanks. That was funny!

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makeitstop  Nov 14, 2016 • 9:41:48am

re: #401 CriticalDragon1177

Okay than, but even so, what would he have to gloat about?

Right. If he came here to gloat it would be a tacit admission that he did exactly what he swore up and down he wouldn’t do - vote for Trump.

But I’m sure all’s well between him and his family, since he did the right thing.

//////

I’m in a fucking mood today, in case you haven’t noticed.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 14, 2016 • 9:41:51am

re: #421 Jayleia

He repeatedly said that he wouldn’t vote for Trump, since his home state was so reliably blue that one vote wouldn’t change anything.

But…

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…and other than that he voted for his team, as far as I know, which is all people that will support Trump’s ideas. So he’s a one-degree-of-separation Trump voter

I think he like Ryan was worried that Trump was hurting the GOP name brand and their chance s at winning, I think DF may not have voetd Trump this time but he certainly will in 2020 and convicne himself that whoever the nominee for the Dems is then is worse than Trump.. DF is a proud GOP hack.

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Jenner7  Nov 14, 2016 • 9:43:18am

Here’s the thing. I could give two fucks about the WWC that sat on their hands and couldn’t decide or those who voted for Trump.

“Trump is a racist, fascist sexual predator with absolutely no grasp of the issues, but Hillary had a private server. They’re both horrible. What to do?”

We didn’t go from over 20 straight months of job growth, lower uninsured rate, gay marriage, etc to Donald fucking Trump because the Democratic Party didn’t cater to white people enough.

Racists voted in record numbers.

Want something to attack Dem party? When they start minimizing what a Trump win really is. And some within the party have already started.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Nov 14, 2016 • 9:43:34am

re: #421 Jayleia

Good thing Dold and Kirk lost. ;)

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Dr. Matt  Nov 14, 2016 • 9:44:05am

On an unrelated note, has anyone spent time in the UK driving on “the wrong side”? I’m heading there in a few weeks and a bit anxious. Any tips?

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Anymouse  Nov 14, 2016 • 9:45:12am

re: #385 allegro

It appears that having your personal ego stroked is more important than the equal rights and safety net fought for by the Democratic party. You ignore all that and give paragraph after paragraph whining about the party not answering your personal calls.

It’s really not about you.

You’re right, it’s not about me.

As for personal calls, it isn’t whining. I am an elected member of the party, the only one in an eleven-county area. The party doesn’t answer my calls about anything. They literally do not care if I am reëlected or not. I ain’t paid for this.

You want to call a plea for help whining and claim it is all about me? Fine. Another reason why I should not bother to run for reëlection, because if I am holding office because it is about me, I shouldn’t be there at all.

You’re all correct and I am wrong. I should not be asking for state or national party help. If I can’t pull up myself by my own bootstraps for a job that pays nothing and takes scores of hours of my time, that is my own fault and on no one else.

I would never run for office because I thought I could serve my village, it is all about me.

I am still sleeping with a loaded shotgun under my bed after the elections. Thank you for your concern.

Little Green Footballs is not the Democratic Party; it is only an echo chamber of its members. I guess I am not towing the line sufficiently to be acceptable here.

I have been more convinced by people here than anywhere else that running for reëlection is a waste of my time. That’s okay, Democrats don’t care if my village becomes a one-party town anyway, at least Democrats here don’t.

I’m out. See y’all sometime in the future maybe. I’ll continue reading, though not logged in, why our states and our people don’t matter. I won’t use a term like “coastal liberal elites,” that is the conservative slur here against every Democrat in places like New York or California. I will just use “math challenged” because our electoral votes don’t matter.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 14, 2016 • 9:45:37am

re: #427 GlutenFreeJesus

Good thing Dold and Kirk lost. ;)

And hopefully Rauner will in a couple years too. That way, the only GOP representation DF will have will be Trump. Honestly, what frustrated me to no end and I mean no end about DF was how he acted like he had a sene of family duty to keep supporting the Republicans. Now, you guys know, I come from a staunchly Democratic family butI know that many of you have Republican relatives or even were Republican once yoursel so I really had no pateicne for Kurt using that as an excuse.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 14, 2016 • 9:45:44am

re: #428 Dr. Matt

On a unrelated note, has anyone spent time in the UK driving on “the wrong side”? I’m heading there in a few weeks and a bit anxious. Any tips?

It really does help having the steering wheel on the opposite side.

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Jenner7  Nov 14, 2016 • 9:45:51am
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Dr Lizardo  Nov 14, 2016 • 9:46:15am

re: #428 Dr. Matt

On a unrelated note, has anyone spent time in the UK driving on “the wrong side”? I’m heading there in a few weeks and a bit anxious. Any tips?

Did that in Cyprus (the Greek part of the island) a number of years back. The ex and I had rented a car, an Opel Astra.

Pro Tip: Rent a car with an automatic transmission. Less to think about and you can pay more attention to your driving.

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Sir John Barron  Nov 14, 2016 • 9:46:17am

re: #369 Backwoods_Sleuth

Absurd comparison: Our #TeaParty movement has never been violent, never threatened violence, never damaged property in name of cause.#tcot


— Michael Johns

Except for the 2nd Amendment Solution, Operation American Spring, If Hillary Wins We Riot, etc.

//

Also, what protesters are threatening violence?

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Belafon  Nov 14, 2016 • 9:46:42am

re: #395 Backwoods_Sleuth

And, yes, we’ve been called communists.

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scottslemmons  Nov 14, 2016 • 9:48:08am

re: #435 Belafon

And, yes, we’ve been called communists.

…which is amazing, considering the extremely close ties between the Trump campaign and Vladimir Putin.

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wrenchwench  Nov 14, 2016 • 9:49:05am

re: #428 Dr. Matt

On a unrelated note, has anyone spent time in the UK driving on “the wrong side”? I’m heading there in a few weeks and a bit anxious. Any tips?

I was there in 1980 visiting some old friends of a college exchange student roommate. They offer to let me drive their Alfa Romeo on the country roads outside of Nottingham. I turned down the opportunity. I have a bit of trouble with left and right as it is.

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Targetpractice  Nov 14, 2016 • 9:49:51am

My district was an open race this year, as the incumbent Republican chose to retire rather than run for reelection. Hillary and Trump both visited Hampton Roads, but while Hillary visited Norfolk, Trump came down here and held a rally in Virginia Beach. She won the state, but he won my district in a walk. And the Democrat running here lost by double digits.

Now, I could sit here and feel sorry for myself, say that if only Hillary had come to Virginia Beach to campaign, if only the DNC had given the Democrat more support, we might have made this seat competitive this year and possibly turned it blue.

OR I could just acknowledge that no amount of politicking by the DNC would have turned my district blue, that Hillary’s presence would not have shifted opinions, and accept that I live in a deep red district that hasn’t gone blue in almost 20 years.

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The Vicious Babushka  Nov 14, 2016 • 9:50:52am

Did a flounce just go by?

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lawhawk  Nov 14, 2016 • 9:51:08am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 14, 2016 • 9:52:01am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 14, 2016 • 9:52:30am
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Belafon  Nov 14, 2016 • 9:52:31am

re: #438 Targetpractice

Virginia Beach is like Rockwall. Middle and upper middle class. There’s no economic issue to convince them with.

I would actually rather the party concentrate on places like rural PA, and MI, than try to convert where I live.

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Anymouse  Nov 14, 2016 • 9:53:00am

re: #439 The Vicious Babushka

Did a flounce just go by?

Yes, from one of your alleged allies.

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Emptor scriptor Remorse  Nov 14, 2016 • 9:54:00am

re: #428 Dr. Matt

Watch the movie A Fish Called Wanda for driving tips.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 14, 2016 • 9:54:59am

re: #440 lawhawk

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I must confess I got annoyed when Larry Whitmore had him on to respond ot Cruz’s attacks on New York. I agreed with the sentiment he espoused but I felt like saying Bernie, if you loved New York so much, why did you leave it for Vermont? And yes his home turf of Brooklyn is more her vision of modern America than his even though she grew up in suburban Chicago.

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Emptor scriptor Remorse  Nov 14, 2016 • 9:55:22am

re: #433 Dr Lizardo

Pro Tip: Rent a car with an automatic transmission. Less to think about and you can pay more attention to your driving.

I prefer driving stick, but for the life of me I would never be able to shift with my left hand.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 14, 2016 • 9:57:11am

Yes, Laura, he can be that stupid.
Or just deliberately obtuse.

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Dr. Matt  Nov 14, 2016 • 9:57:32am

re: #433 Dr Lizardo

Did that in Cyprus (the Greek part of the island) a number of years back. The ex and I had rented a car, an Opel Astra.

Pro Tip: Rent a car with an automatic transmission. Less to think about and you can pay more attention to your driving.

Yup. I did that.

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Dr Lizardo  Nov 14, 2016 • 9:57:44am

re: #447 Emptor scriptor Remorse

I prefer driving stick, but for the life of me I would never be able to shift with my left hand.

That’s why we rented an automatic; we both figured it’d be easier considering we were going to be driving on the opposite side of the roads we’re used to.

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Edge of a dream AKA Cankles Mccellulite  Nov 14, 2016 • 9:59:18am

“No puppet” “No puppet’ My President challenged by the English language.

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Dr. Matt  Nov 14, 2016 • 9:59:58am

Bernie is back to his true, original form and dividing the Democratic Party. Asshole.

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Lidane  Nov 14, 2016 • 10:00:54am
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HappyWarrior  Nov 14, 2016 • 10:01:06am

re: #448 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Yes, Laura, he can be that stupid.
Or just deliberately obtuse.

He’s not stupid. He’s dishonest.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 14, 2016 • 10:02:00am

re: #454 HappyWarrior

He’s not stupid. He’s dishonest.

I was trying to be polite…

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Franklin  Nov 14, 2016 • 10:02:04am

re: #373 sagehen

Also, the coastal/urban Dems (the party’s activist base) need to quit their damn whining about how Ben Nelson and Evan Bayh and Heidi Heitkamp and Joe Manchin and Claire McCaskill aren’t liberal enough. For fuck’s sake, if they were liberal enough to please New Yorkers and Californians they wouldn’t ever have been elected in their states.

A red state Dem senator who’s only a hairsbreadth to the left of a blue state Rep like Mark Kirk… is still a vote for who’ll be majority leader, and who’ll be committee chairs. Who gets to schedule hearings and what legislation ever comes to the floor.

This is SO important and what we need to get back to. 50 state strategy is what gets this done. NO…the Democrats are not (necessarily) going to start campaigning for President in all 50 states. But putting up D candidates that can relate to the states population is critical. They won’t be uber progressive and may not be progressive at all, but the bolded above is why that doesn’t matter right now.

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Sir John Barron  Nov 14, 2016 • 10:02:28am

re: #448 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Yes, Laura, he can be that stupid.
Or just deliberately obtuse.

Math. How does it work?

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HappyWarrior  Nov 14, 2016 • 10:03:24am

re: #455 Backwoods_Sleuth

I was trying to be polite…

Sorry, it’s the Aspergers. Literal mind :). Really, I’m tired of Mike’s excuses for the white working class. Again like Bernie, he seems to think he has a monopoly on understanding them. He doesn’t. And to be honest, both of them live in a bigger bubble than the party elites they hate on.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 14, 2016 • 10:03:28am

re: #428 Dr. Matt

On an unrelated note, has anyone spent time in the UK driving on “the wrong side”? I’m heading there in a few weeks and a bit anxious. Any tips?

The driving part is easy, but shifting with your left hand takes a lot of getting used to. I often found myself in a roundabout, reaching down to shift gears and instead rolling down the damn window…

And in the US, cars are supposed to park in the direction of the flow of traffic…that is optional in the UK, so you are driving down the street, just getting used to the “wrong” side of the street, and you cannot orient yourself by the direction of the cars parked along it as they are all random.

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Chrysicat  Nov 14, 2016 • 10:03:46am

re: #26 HappyWarrior

Too bad a Californian one really isn’t. I still have the likes of “pool” and “school” as two-syllable words that rhyme with “cruel” because my pronunciation patterns had locked in by the time my family left for Colorado.

Which isn’t a bad thing, but might be hard to fake from a non-regional accent

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Edge of a dream AKA Cankles Mccellulite  Nov 14, 2016 • 10:04:21am

Well, the Jew hating racist, Steve Bannon, is rumored to be made the head of Trumps cabinet. Hahahaha.(nervous laugh while crying)

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Dr. Matt  Nov 14, 2016 • 10:05:12am

re: #459 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I made sure to reserve an automatic so I had one less than to relearn backward.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 14, 2016 • 10:05:21am

I’m guessing nobody told those protesters that Bernie already said he’s going to work with Trump.

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Emptor scriptor Remorse  Nov 14, 2016 • 10:05:31am

re: #445 Emptor scriptor Remorse

Asshooooole!!!!

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allegro  Nov 14, 2016 • 10:05:39am

re: #424 makeitstop

Right. If he came here to gloat it would be a tacit admission that he did exactly what he swore up and down he wouldn’t do - vote for Trump.

But I’m sure all’s well between him and his family, since he did the right thing.

//////

I’m in a fucking mood today, in case you haven’t noticed.

Seems to be going around. Perhaps we should go sit in the corner. Want a Mohito?

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Chrysicat  Nov 14, 2016 • 10:05:52am

re: #461 Edge of a dream AKA Cankles Mccellulite

“No, no, it’s all right, he’s not Chief of Staff, just co-equal”–the MBF’ing cable media, even MSNBC. I have no idea what AJA would be doing if it hadn’t been shut down, though.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 14, 2016 • 10:05:53am

re: #456 Franklin

This is SO important and what we need to get back to. 50 state strategy is what gets this done. NO…the Democrats are not (necessarily) going to start campaigning in all 50 states. But putting up D candidates that can relate to the states population is critical. They won’t be uber progressive and may not be progressive at all, but the bolded above is why that doesn’t matter right now.

WE should campaign in all 50 states locally and for Congress but IMO it would be a fool’s errand to do it in the presidential election. IF we had unlimited funds and time, sure. But we don’t have unlimited funds and ANd I must take issue with the idea the Dems just played it safe They went ot Arizona, Georgia, and ran ads in places like Utah.

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Dr. Matt  Nov 14, 2016 • 10:06:02am

Instagram

Last night’s so called “Supermoon” was the closest the moon’s been to earth since 1948. @kevin_schulz used its glow for an early morning dawn patrol in San Clemente. Photo: @miahklein

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Targetpractice  Nov 14, 2016 • 10:06:58am

re: #456 Franklin

This is SO important and what we need to get back to. 50 state strategy is what gets this done. NO…the Democrats are not (necessarily) going to start campaigning in all 50 states. But putting up D candidates that can relate to the states population is critical. They won’t be uber progressive and may not be progressive at all, but the bolded above is why that doesn’t matter right now.

We had a 50 state strategy, we supported Blue Dogs up and down the dial, and we got them into office n the argument that so long as they were gonna vote for Harry and for Nancy then it didn’t matter what their politics were. So we won Congress, we won power…and then the party disintegrated. Suddenly all those Blue Dogs started running for reelection in purple and red districts, and those leadership votes were used against them. These Blue Dogs had run in opposition to the party platform, but now were being tarred and feathered with it.

So come the midterms after we worked our asses off to make that 50 state strategy work, we lost seats left and right because the Blue Dogs lost support for not being progressive enough but also being too progressive for voters back home.

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Anymouse  Nov 14, 2016 • 10:07:02am

re: #443 Belafon

Virginia Beach is like Rockwall. Middle and upper middle class. There’s no economic issue to convince them with.

I would actually rather the party concentrate on places like rural PA, and MI, than try to convert where I live.

ID, MT, ND, SD, WY, NE, OK, KS, AL, MS, LA, TX, AZ, UT, keep adding up the places you don’t want to concentrate or campaign. Keep writing off those electoral votes without a fight.

I’m fifty-six years old. I am both disabled and a vet. I don’t need this crap from both the Republicans and supposed allied Democrats. I’ll continue the fight against fascism, but I don’t have to do that as a village trustee with absolutely no support even from alleged allies.

Keep concentrating on areas you think you can win rather than representing all the people, and see how that works out. Like it or not, the party has to play by the rules (the Electoral College).

There is one thing about that meme map posted above that is true: All that grey area is area ceded by the Democratic Party as “too hard” to campaign. We are only one statehouse away from the required amount to pass constitutional amendments against same-sex marriage, against women’s reproductive rights, against prayer in school, name a conservative hobby horse.

“But campaigning in those red states is too hard.” Every argument here boils down to that.

When you choose to come out of the liberal bubble (and that exists just as much as the conservative bubble does), let me know. Two hundred million people living in blue states do not matter: The Electoral College matters. That is what the party should be campaigning on - it doesn’t matter if Hillary Clinton wins in California by ten million more votes - they are meaningless.

Our million or so matter here so much more, and you can complain all you want how I am whining, but that is the truth. If the Democrats do not fight to the death for our five electoral votes, they are lost and cannot be made up anywhere else. Look at that list of states above our party has ceded as “too hard.” Now find those electoral votes somewhere else.

Nighty night. Thank you all for helping me decide whether I should file for reëlection.

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Timothy Watson  Nov 14, 2016 • 10:07:07am

re: #438 Targetpractice

My district was an open race this year, as the incumbent Republican chose to retire rather than run for reelection. Hillary and Trump both visited Hampton Roads, but while Hillary visited Norfolk, Trump came down here and held a rally in Virginia Beach. She won the state, but he won my district in a walk. And the Democrat running here lost by double digits.

Now, I could sit here and feel sorry for myself, say that if only Hillary had come to Virginia Beach to campaign, if only the DNC had given the Democrat more support, we might have made this seat competitive this year and possibly turned it blue.

OR I could just acknowledge that no amount of politicking by the DNC would have turned my district blue, that Hillary’s presence would not have shifted opinions, and accept that I live in a deep red district that hasn’t gone blue in almost 20 years.

You had Glenn Nye for two years thanks to the Obama coattails.

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makeitstop  Nov 14, 2016 • 10:07:17am

re: #465 allegro

Seems to be going around. Perhaps we should go sit in the corner. Want a Mohito?

Sounds lovely. Which corner would you prefer?

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HappyWarrior  Nov 14, 2016 • 10:07:32am

re: #463 Backwoods_Sleuth

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I’m guessing nobody told those protesters that Bernie already said he’s going to work with Trump.

Bernie in fact has been more accommodating ot Trump than the Dem leadership has thus far. outside Obama who kind of has to since he has to show Trump around the WH.

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Edge of a dream AKA Cankles Mccellulite  Nov 14, 2016 • 10:08:02am

So the media has now decided to look closer at what appears to be racists surrounding Trump. WHAT ABOUT HILLARYS EMAILS?////

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Targetpractice  Nov 14, 2016 • 10:09:06am

re: #471 Timothy Watson

You had Glenn Nye for two years thanks to the Obama coattails.

Yep, he got swept in as part of that 50 state strategy…and he got ran out on a rail 2 years later because he voted for the ACA.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 14, 2016 • 10:11:11am

re: #475 Targetpractice

Yep, he got swept in as part of that 50 state strategy…and he got ran out on a rail 2 years later because he voted for the ACA.

Tom Periello who I met from Charlottesville too. But Tom to his credit didn’t run away from his ACA vote like Nye did but still I’d rather and I know you’d rather have Nye than Rigell and whomever was elected last week. It’s a delicate balance that elected officials in conservative areas walk. Certainly not one I envy. Speaking of violence, I remember someone cut a gas leak in PEriello’s property.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 14, 2016 • 10:11:30am

re: #474 Edge of a dream AKA Cankles Mccellulite

So the media has now decided to look closer at what appears to be racists surrounding Trump. WHAT ABOUT HILLARYS EMAILS?////

Hillary isn’t President, jackasses.

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Belafon  Nov 14, 2016 • 10:12:52am

re: #470 Anymouse

I see you didn’t comprehend at all what I wrote. You’ve gotten so testy, you see “concentrate somewhere else” and think we’re talking about you. The point is that it would be a waste of resources to do a lot of campaigning in upper middle class places like Rockwall where the sole voting issue is “keep the Democrat out of office.” You are not going to convince families that make $200K+ a year to change their vote. These Christians don’t even care for the poor.

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Belafon  Nov 14, 2016 • 10:14:51am

re: #474 Edge of a dream AKA Cankles Mccellulite

So the media has now decided to look closer at what appears to be racists surrounding Trump. WHAT ABOUT HILLARYS EMAILS?////

I wish they’d done it before the election, but that’s the past, so I’ll take them going after Bannon now.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 14, 2016 • 10:14:53am

re: #470 Anymouse

ID, MT, ND, SD, WY, NE, OK, KS, AL, MS, LA, TX, AZ, UT, keep adding up the places you don’t want to concentrate or campaign. Keep writing off those electoral votes without a fight.

I’m fifty-six years old. I am both disabled and a vet. I don’t need this crap from both the Republicans and supposed allied Democrats. I’ll continue the fight against fascism, but I don’t have to do that as a village trustee with absolutely no support even from alleged allies.

Keep concentrating on areas you think you can win rather than representing all the people, and see how that works out. Like it or not, the party has to play by the rules (the Electoral College).

There is one thing about that meme map posted above that is true: All that grey area is area ceded by the Democratic Party as “too hard” to campaign. We are only one statehouse away from the required amount to pass constitutional amendments against same-sex marriage, against women’s reproductive rights, against prayer in school, name a conservative hobby horse.

“But campaigning in those red states is too hard.” Every argument here boils down to that.

When you choose to come out of the liberal bubble (and that exists just as much as the conservative bubble does), let me know. Two hundred million people living in blue states do not matter: The Electoral College matters. That is what the party should be campaigning on - it doesn’t matter if Hillary Clinton wins in California by ten million more votes - they are meaningless.

Our million or so matter here so much more, and you can complain all you want how I am whining, but that is the truth. If the Democrats do not fight to the death for our five electoral votes, they are lost and cannot be made up anywhere else. Look at that list of states above our party has ceded as “too hard.” Now find those electoral votes somewhere else.

Nighty night. Thank you all for helping me decide whether I should file for reëlection.

You keep on saying we wrote certain areas off. I keep on telling the Dem party doesn’t have unlimtied funds and time, sure we could campaign in parts of the country that are overwhelmingly Republican but that would mean we wouldn’t be able to do as much in places that are more closer to us. And I got news for you, we did just that, Clinton campaigned in Georgia, Arizona, and ran ads in Utah even. And you again vastly overstate the extent of how the Republicans campaigned in all 50 states. I’m not saying we shouldn’t do more, we should so I don’t want you write me off as saying I’m giving those states up, I’m saying a campaign with limited time and money has to prioritize and in the EC system, they’re going to choose the states and regions they’re more competitive in.

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sagehen  Nov 14, 2016 • 10:15:01am

re: #443 Belafon

Virginia Beach is like Rockwall. Middle and upper middle class. There’s no economic issue to convince them with.

I would actually rather the party concentrate on places like rural PA, and MI, than try to convert where I live.

Why is it either/or? FFS, the party needs to operate EVERYWHERE. There needs to be a D on the ballot in all 435 congressional districts, every mayor’s race or city council or school board, every everything.

I’d rather the party stop pretending President is the only campaign that matters. Nobody says they should expect to “convert” your district, but shaving the margin is valuable too.

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Barefoot Grin  Nov 14, 2016 • 10:15:55am

This morning while CNN and MSNBC were fixating on Bannon and Reibus, I stopped quickly to look at Fox. It was a long series on overturning the Iran nuclear deal; Tom Cotton was featured. So that’s in the works.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 14, 2016 • 10:17:30am

re: #481 sagehen

Why is it either/or? FFS, the party needs to operate EVERYWHERE. There needs to be a D on the ballot in all 435 congressional districts, every mayor’s race or city council or school board, every everything.

I’d rather the party stop pretending President is the only campaign that matters. Nobody says they should expect to “convert” your district, but shaving the margin is valuable too.

I think everyone agrees with that sentiment. I want the next DNC chair to emphaisze that all politics is local and encourage people if they have the heart and guts to, run for local office and show their neighbors what it means to be a Democrat.I think the disagreement is that the presidential campaigns should be everywhere. Honestly, the EC creates a situation where you have to prioritize. It in effect makes some states worth more than others. Now, to be fair, this would probably happen if we had the popular vote too I concede.

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Edge of a dream AKA Cankles Mccellulite  Nov 14, 2016 • 10:17:35am

re: #479 Belafon

I wish they’d done it before the election, but that’s the past, so I’ll take them going after Bannon now.

Unfortunately, the media going after Bannon is “”Is he racist?” They are interviewing a southern politician right now who is talking about what a sweetheart he is.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 14, 2016 • 10:18:27am

re: #484 Edge of a dream AKA Cankles Mccellulite

Unfortunately, the media going after Bannon is “”Is he racist?” They are interviewing a southern politician right now who is talking about what a sweetheart he is.

I’m sure there were plenty of Southern politicians that thought George Wallace was a swell guy too.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 14, 2016 • 10:18:31am

re: #478 Belafon

Also, I keep noticing the lack of acknowledging the massive impact voter suppression efforts had on turnout in several states.

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Belafon  Nov 14, 2016 • 10:18:31am

re: #481 sagehen

Why is it either/or? FFS, the party needs to operate EVERYWHERE. There needs to be a D on the ballot in all 435 congressional districts, every mayor’s race or city council or school board, every everything.

I’d rather the party stop pretending President is the only campaign that matters. Nobody says they should expect to “convert” your district, but shaving the margin is valuable too.

Money, and time. But there’s also this: If you want the party to figure out what kind of message it needs to put together to convince rural areas to vote for us, an upper middle class suburb of a major city with 40K people isn’t where you’re going to get it.

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Eventual Carrion  Nov 14, 2016 • 10:19:30am

re: #261 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I have never heard of a President holding rallies after winning the election.

But this, too, will be treated as perfectly normal.

Gotta keep things going until you can get it down to just 5 minutes of hate a day. Or so I have read.

[Edit] I like my hate in larger chunks.

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Lidane  Nov 14, 2016 • 10:20:11am

Can I just say that I’m sick of the “BUT WHAT ABOUT TEH WHITE WORKING CLASS” garbage from Bernie and the rest of the far left?

They’re basically saying that my concerns as a Latina matter less than the angry white people that Trump won. And that the Dems should focus on angry whites instead of POC. Fuck that noise.

What the Demomcrats NEED to do right now is find a younger, fully woke chair who can dedicate 24/7/365 to bringing in new talent in all 50 states. We need a 50-state strategy. Fuck ideological purity to whatever the far left wants. We need a pragmatic liberalism that SHOWS people all the gains and all the benefits they get with Democrats in office. We need to rebuild the party from the ground up, not get caught up in making sure that every leftist white kid is in their safe space.

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Targetpractice  Nov 14, 2016 • 10:20:42am

We’ve seen so many different responses to the loss on Tuesday, but the self-pity has gotta be one of the worst. “I don’t know why I do it, nobody seems to care, nobody supports me, I should just give up.” The neighbors are giving you mean looks, you feel isolated in your town, nobody in the national party seems to care, you feel as though nothing you do matters.

FUCK YOU! For the past four days I’ve had to deal with the stress and worry that my own father is gonna find out who I voted for, who I supported, and kick me out of my own home. I’m one of those millennials that the last economic downturn fucked over, I don’t have the money or resources to strike out on my own tomorrow. If I get kicked out of my own home, I have no recourse, no place to go, because all of my other family lives several states away and the only vehicles I have access to are in my parent’s name.

So cry me a fucking river that you have the time and energy to run for local office. Me? I’m too busy trying to get through day by day, wondering when it’s gonna be that my entire life situation is gonna get turned upside down. I don’t sleep with a shotgun under my bed, but that’s only because I can’t afford one.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 14, 2016 • 10:20:49am

re: #489 Lidane

Can I just say that I’m sick of the [dudebro]”BUT WHAT ABOUT TEH WHITE WORKING CLASS”[/wingnut] garbage from Bernie and the rest of the far left?

They’re basically saying that my concerns as a Latina matter less than the angry white people that Trump won. And that the Dems should focus on angry whites instead of POC. Fuck that noise.

What the Demomcrats NEED to do right now is find a younger, fully woke chair who can dedicate 24/7/365 to bringing in new talent in all 50 states. We need a 50-state strategy. Fuck ideological purity to whatever the far left wants. We need a pragmatic liberalism that SHOWS people all the gains and all the benefits they get with Democrats in office. We need to rebuild the party from the ground up, not get caught up in making sure that every leftist white kid is in their safe space.

Here, here.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 14, 2016 • 10:21:05am

this should work out well…

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Sir John Barron  Nov 14, 2016 • 10:22:09am

re: #474 Edge of a dream AKA Cankles Mccellulite

So the media has now decided to look closer at what appears to be racists surrounding Trump. WHAT ABOUT HILLARYS EMAILS?////

Media: What new do we have with Hillary’s emails?

Boss: Hillary didn’t get elected

Media: ??

Boss: What about Trump? What do we know about him?

Media: …

///

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HappyWarrior  Nov 14, 2016 • 10:22:43am

re: #492 Backwoods_Sleuth

this should work out well…

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I’ll give her credit for at least attempting to run but I’m not sold on her at all.

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Anymouse  Nov 14, 2016 • 10:22:57am

re: #480 HappyWarrior

You keep on saying we wrote certain areas off. I keep on telling the Dem party doesn’t have unlimtied funds and time, sure we could campaign in parts of the country that are overwhelmingly Republican but that would mean we wouldn’t be able to do as much in places that are more closer to us. And I got news for you, we did just that, Clinton campaigned in Georgia, Arizona, and ran ads in Utah even. And you again vastly overstate the extent of how the Republicans campaigned in all 50 states. I’m not saying we shouldn’t do more, we should so I don’t want you write me off as saying I’m giving those states up, I’m saying a campaign with limited time and money has to prioritize and in the EC system, they’re going to choose the states and regions they’re more competitive in.

The campaign ran for eighteen bloody months. As for money? How much does an advert for a newspaper cost (I brought that up before). The GOP ran full-page adverts in my newspaper, an area where we don’t have cable television.

Again with the “choose which state to prioritise” as in “those other states are too hard to campaign in.”

I see I am not making any headway here, and I won’t be able to. The party campaigns as a national party, or it campaigns as a regional party. It doesn’t matter if Hillary Clinton were to win by fifty million votes, it only matters if she won by one electoral college vote.

I really am done. Find another Democrat to run for office here (that is, if the party wants to bother spending money here - after all, there are only limited funds and the Democratic Party only has hundreds of millions of dollars to spend).

I can’t do it alone. I really can’t.

Betcha you aren’t sleeping with a shotgun under your bed.

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makeitstop  Nov 14, 2016 • 10:25:18am

Yeah, moar self-pity. Sick of it. I’m out, gonna get some work done.

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Edge of a dream AKA Cankles Mccellulite  Nov 14, 2016 • 10:25:22am

re: #485 HappyWarrior

I’m sure there were plenty of Southern politicians that thought George Wallace was a swell guy too.

Yes, but he wasn’t put into power by a President.

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Anymouse  Nov 14, 2016 • 10:26:27am

re: #481 sagehen

Why is it either/or? FFS, the party needs to operate EVERYWHERE. There needs to be a D on the ballot in all 435 congressional districts, every mayor’s race or city council or school board, every everything.

I’d rather the party stop pretending President is the only campaign that matters. Nobody says they should expect to “convert” your district, but shaving the margin is valuable too.

I wish the Dems had thought of that rather than letting our wingnut R Adrian Smith run unopposed for reëlection for the US House.

I could have gotten behind a D candidate; stumped for him or her locally, donated time and money, &c.

The party ceded my district without a fight. One name on the ballot. There is a reason I turned in a blank ballot except for a vote for Hillary Clinton and Tim Kaine.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Nov 14, 2016 • 10:26:37am

re: #492 Backwoods_Sleuth

Too bad it’s not the economy. But RACE.

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Sir John Barron  Nov 14, 2016 • 10:27:00am

re: #441 Backwoods_Sleuth

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So, here is another hot take on last week’s election:

Benghazi. GOP scandal-mongering in general, and about Benghazi in particular, sunk us/Hillary. GOP shameful behavior was successful. And the Benghazi rage-a-thon led to OMG EMAILS!!!!1

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HappyWarrior  Nov 14, 2016 • 10:27:15am

re: #495 Anymouse

The campaign ran for eighteen bloody months. As for money? How much does an advert for a newspaper cost (I brought that up before). The GOP ran full-page adverts in my newspaper, an area where we don’t have cable television.

Again with the “choose which state to prioritise” as in “those other states are too hard to campaign in.”

I see I am not making any headway here, and I won’t be able to. The party campaigns as a national party, or it campaigns as a regional party. It doesn’t matter if Hillary Clinton were to win by fifty million votes, it only matters if she won by one electoral college vote.

I really am done. Find another Democrat to run for office here (that is, if the party wants to bother spending money here - after all, there are only limited funds and the Democratic Party only has hundreds of millions of dollars to spend).

I can’t do it alone. I really can’t.

Betcha you aren’t sleeping with a shotgun under your bed.

You keep on missing where I agree that more could have been done. FFS man. Oh and you increase your odds of winning the electoral vote if you win the popular voet. There’s a reason why it’s only happened four other times. No, I don’t sleep with a shotgun under my bed but as someone with a pre-existing condition, I worry about not being able to get insurance in the future. As someone with a mental disability, I worry it about being harder for me to find work since a Trump administration certainly will cut the programs that have made resources for people like me on the spectrum easier to find work. Stop it with the goddamn martyr bullshit when I of all people have been pretty understanding of your concerns and have even agreed we could and should do more.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 14, 2016 • 10:27:25am

LO fecking L. No kidding??!!??

these people here in Kentucky…

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HappyWarrior  Nov 14, 2016 • 10:28:02am

re: #502 Backwoods_Sleuth

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LO fecking L. No kidding??!!??

these people here in Kentucky…

Miners done got conned.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 14, 2016 • 10:28:43am

re: #503 HappyWarrior

Miners done got conned.

And you know what? Fuck ‘em.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 14, 2016 • 10:29:14am

Kentucky, where even the Dems aren’t real Dems and the voters are always surprised whenever they get screwed.

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Kragar  Nov 14, 2016 • 10:29:36am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 14, 2016 • 10:29:49am

re: #503 HappyWarrior

Miners done got conned.

They are convinced that their enemies in the “War on Coal” were government work safety and environmental legislation. They fail to understand that time and the economy are working against them

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Birth Control Works  Nov 14, 2016 • 10:30:13am

VOCABULARY WORD FOR THE DAY:

Avoirdupois

The avoirdupois system (English pronunciation: /ˌævərdəˈpɔɪz/; abbreviated avdp)[1] is both an updated modern[2] as well as an historic measurement system of weights (using units such as pounds and ounces)[3] that became commonly used in the 13th century, but was updated (1959) to represent, (by law[2]) mass in line with SI based units.

The avoirdupois weight system’s general attributes were originally developed for the international wool trade in the Late Middle Ages era when trade was in recovery, and historically based on a physical standardized pound or ‘prototype weight’ that could be partitioned into 16 ounces.[a] There were a number of such competing measures, and the fact the avoirdupois pound had three even numbers as multiples (half and half and half again) caused much of its popularity so that the system won out over systems with 12 or ten or 15 subdivisions.[3] The use of this unofficial system gradually stabilized and evolved with only slight changes in the reference standard or prototype’s actual mass.
. .
In 1959 by international agreement, the definition of such pound and ounce units became standardized among countries using the pound-based mass units.[3] The International Avoirdupois Pound so created is the everyday system of weight used in the United States and is still used to varying degrees in everyday life in the United Kingdom, Canada and some other former British colonies despite the official adoption of the metric system.

not to be confused with the Troy ounce which has 12 per pound

I’ve been watching the gold market.

I’m listening to Alice Cooper VERY LOUD.

Is there a commune anywhere else in the English Speaking world accepting old ladies?

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Anymouse  Nov 14, 2016 • 10:30:48am

re: #496 makeitstop

Yeah, moar self-pity. Sick of it. I’m out, gonna get some work done.

I have to get some sleep. G’night (or g’day).

I promise, in the future I won’t post about local and state troubles or lack of party presence here. I’ll stick to diabetic cat updates. Hopefully those won’t be controversial, as I really don’t want to alienate y’all.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 14, 2016 • 10:31:06am

Oh and also AM, I have to worry about a lot of my SiL’s extended family having their immigration status threatened due to Trump’s immigration views. You talk about how you worry about Steve King’s crazy Nuremberg citizenship litmus test. Well, there are plenty of people who I actually know who could realistically have their status threatened by this guy’s presidency. So, no, I don’t sleep with a shotgun under my bed. I worry for myself and other peopel that I love. And I really resent you acting like you’re the only one with something at stake here. For a better lack of the word, you chose to make the Nebraska panhandle your home. I can’t help that I was born with a heart condition or Asperger’s Syndrome so stop teratign me like I’m some elitist who has nothing at stake ehre too.

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Birth Control Works  Nov 14, 2016 • 10:31:51am

I donated to NARAL.

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Kragar  Nov 14, 2016 • 10:32:12am
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HappyWarrior  Nov 14, 2016 • 10:32:54am

re: #509 Anymouse

I have to get some sleep. G’night (or g’day).

I promise, in the future I won’t post about local and state troubles or lack of party presence here. I’ll stick to diabetic cat updates. Hopefully those won’t be controversial, as I really don’t want to alienate y’all.

You could just not be patronizing like you claim other people are being. You have every right to want the Democratic Party to do more in your neck of the woods. I think nearly everyone agrees with you on that but when you accuse the party of just playing it safe, your’e being dishoenst and you’re being an ass when you act like none of us have anythign at stake here too. Take it easy, I mean that but please do not act like just because some of your neighbors are assholes that I don’t have concerns of my own.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 14, 2016 • 10:33:56am

re: #504 Blind Frog Belly White

And you know what? Fuck ‘em.

I hate saying it as a miner’s great grandson but I can’t feel too bad for them. We tried to warn them. We did. They didn’t listen or wanna listen.

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Sir John Barron  Nov 14, 2016 • 10:34:18am

re: #512 Kragar

I’m sure wikileaks will get right on it! @AdamParkhomenko @Fishbooom pic.twitter.com
— Kragar

I wonder what their next assignment from Putin is.

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Targetpractice  Nov 14, 2016 • 10:35:11am

“The DNC won’t support me, they won’t run ads in my district, they won’t do anything to make my job easier, BUT this isn’t about me, it’s about the party.”

Sure, totally, we believe ya./////

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scottslemmons  Nov 14, 2016 • 10:35:27am

re: #515 Sir John Barron

I wonder what their next assignment from Putin is.

Supposedly, Putin and Breitbart are ready to take Germany down next. So doctored Merkel emails will probably be their next production.

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Sir John Barron  Nov 14, 2016 • 10:36:11am

re: #502 Backwoods_Sleuth

Head of the Kentucky Coal Association: “I would not expect to see a lot of growth because of the Trump presidency” kentucky.com
— Blake Hounshell

Oh. Oh well. At least you put Bannon in the WH. Thanks.

/

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Birth Control Works  Nov 14, 2016 • 10:36:17am
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CuriousLurker  Nov 14, 2016 • 10:37:11am

Extensive criticism of LGF members buried in the Pages (emphasis mine):

I had believed that my previous page regarding my post-election thoughts would be my last. That I had laid-out and refined everything I had to say. But now I feel the need to elaborate more on political polarization among us liberals. I won’t name anybody. And I’ll be paraphrasing some of the arguments I’ve heard, since I’ve heard more than variant of each. […]

littlegreenfootballs.com

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HappyWarrior  Nov 14, 2016 • 10:37:15am

re: #517 scottslemmons

Supposedly, Putin and Breitbart are ready to take Germany down next. So doctored Merkel emails will probably be their next production.

Yep, good guess.

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Edge of a dream AKA Cankles Mccellulite  Nov 14, 2016 • 10:37:42am

re: #506 Kragar

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At least Robert Byrd changed his mind many years ago.

“I know now I was wrong. Intolerance had no place in America. I apologized a thousand times … and I don’t mind apologizing over and over again. I can’t erase what happened.”

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BeachDem  Nov 14, 2016 • 10:37:44am

re: #230 Dr. Matt

There is an actual meme being spread around of a photoshopped CNN screen shot of the election results giving Drump the popular vote…..yet, a 2 second search on the internet would have easily debunked it. Deplorables are not just idiots, they are lazy idiots.

Then the face of Big Brother faded away again and instead the three slogans of the Party stood out in bold capitals:
WAR IS PEACE
FREEDOM IS SLAVERY
IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH

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Timothy Watson  Nov 14, 2016 • 10:38:43am

re: #519 Birth Control Works

I DON’T know this organization:

Election results may provide opportunities for major tax law changes in 2017

PricewaterhouseCoopers, a major accounting firm.

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makeitstop  Nov 14, 2016 • 10:38:52am

re: #509 Anymouse

I have to get some sleep. G’night (or g’day).

I promise, in the future I won’t post about local and state troubles or lack of party presence here. I’ll stick to diabetic cat updates. Hopefully those won’t be controversial, as I really don’t want to alienate y’all.

You could do both, you know. A little less blaming Lizards for what the DNC is doing might help.

We don’t pull the levers at the DNC. We’re a bunch of schlubs just like you. Schlubs that you’re already well on your way to alienating (speaking for myself here).

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HappyWarrior  Nov 14, 2016 • 10:39:01am

re: #522 Edge of a dream AKA Cankles Mccellulite

At least Robert Byrd changed his mind many years ago.

“I know now I was wrong. Intolerance had no place in America. I apologized a thousand times … and I don’t mind apologizing over and over again. I can’t erase what happened.”

Byrd never missed an opportunity to apologize. The KKK connection would have made it very hard for me to support him had I lived in WV to vote for him but as a man, he did his part to atone for his past. Bannon? Still a racist cumbucket.

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Anymouse  Nov 14, 2016 • 10:39:03am

re: #501 HappyWarrior

You keep on missing where I agree that more could have been done. FFS man. Oh and you increase your odds of winning the electoral vote if you win the popular voet. There’s a reason why it’s only happened four other times. No, I don’t sleep with a shotgun under my bed but as someone with a pre-existing condition, I worry about not being able to get insurance in the future. As someone with a mental disability, I worry it about being harder for me to find work since a Trump administration certainly will cut the programs that have made resources for people like me on the spectrum easier to find work. Stop it with the goddamn martyr bullshit when I of all people have been pretty understanding of your concerns and have even agreed we could and should do more.

You don’t think when the GOP comes after the VA I’ll be in the same boat with epilepsy? My wife in the same boat with her closed head injury?

Goddammit it isn’t about me. Work? I haven’t had any since the VA declared me unemployable. That is public record. I can’t get a job as a store clerk.

I don’t know why this is so hard to get through: If you don’t campaign for over a million votes in one state, you don’t get those million votes. If you don’t campaign for those five electoral votes you don’t get em. What’s so hard about that to understand? The other side was all over this state, in the news every bloody week, surrogates for the campaign blanketed this state to make sure they got out the vote in a mail in vote state that had nearly an 80% turnout in the election.

I feel like I am arguing with a brick wall. As shown in the last election, NY, CA, OR, WA, MA, ME, NH, VT, CT, RI, DC, &c are not enough to win an election.

The party campaigns in places it has low likelihood of winning, or it cedes those places.

Sam Wang had Mrs. Clinton at 99%, Nate Silver at 75%. How’d that turn out?

I don’t know why everyone here keeps claiming I am whining about myself: I am whining about why the party writes off a million voters as either “not worth the time,” “too hard,” or “not worth our effort.”

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lawhawk  Nov 14, 2016 • 10:39:15am

re: #519 Birth Control Works

I DON’T know this organization:

Election results may provide opportunities for major tax law changes in 2017

PWC? They’re one of the big 3 accounting firms. They do tons of tax work. And considering that the GOP has been pushing for their radical revision of the tax code that favors the rich, expect it to get approved with great fanfare for the common man, but the burden will inevitably fall on the same people as the wealthy get huge tax breaks and the revenues fall off a cliff because the economy doesn’t respond to trickle down.

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Citizen K  Nov 14, 2016 • 10:39:19am

Well, if there’s one thing this shitshow of an election has done, it’s given me the bug to write at length that I haven’t had in a long time.

First Page I’ve done here, I believe: “I Am An American, Too”

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Nov 14, 2016 • 10:41:16am

re: #480 HappyWarrior

I’m going to side with Anymouse on this one.

We did best when we had Howard Dean’s 50 state strategy in 2006 and 2008. Everyone else dropped the ball since then.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 14, 2016 • 10:41:56am

re: #519 Birth Control Works

I DON’T know this organization:

Election results may provide opportunities for major tax law changes in 2017

Yunno, DT never did release his tax returns, and now that he is President, I find that those things are vital to America’s interests. But fat chance of us ever seeing them unless they are subpoenaed by a court as evidence…

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Anymouse  Nov 14, 2016 • 10:42:04am

re: #510 HappyWarrior

Oh and also AM, I have to worry about a lot of my SiL’s extended family having their immigration status threatened due to Trump’s immigration views. You talk about how you worry about Steve King’s crazy Nuremberg citizenship litmus test. Well, there are plenty of people who I actually know who could realistically have their status threatened by this guy’s presidency. So, no, I don’t sleep with a shotgun under my bed. I worry for myself and other peopel that I love. And I really resent you acting like you’re the only one with something at stake here. For a better lack of the word, you chose to make the Nebraska panhandle your home. I can’t help that I was born with a heart condition or Asperger’s Syndrome so stop teratign me like I’m some elitist who has nothing at stake ehre too.

You wanna fund my move somewhere else? I have to live somewhere, I got tired of living under bridges and cardboard boxes in Charleston SC, and VA disability won’t make it in a place like MA or NY.

I could have my citizenship threatened by this crazy guy’s election and the wingnuts that surround him.

By the way, you didn’t answer my question if you were sleeping with a loaded shotgun under your bed. You aren’t feeling that threatened right now? I am.

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William Lewis  Nov 14, 2016 • 10:42:08am

re: #508 Birth Control Works

If you find one that likes little old ladies see they take fat older guys too…

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Citizen K  Nov 14, 2016 • 10:42:35am

Hrm…quick question. My page ended up tweeting out on my old Twitter account, though I thought I updated to connect my LGF account to my new twitter. What should I do to fix that.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Nov 14, 2016 • 10:42:36am

As a CA Lizard, I have to say that I didn’t really see much advertising for the Presidential race here.

Maybe I need to complain to the DNC.

///

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Nov 14, 2016 • 10:42:36am

re: #470 Anymouse

I would urge you to file for re-election. I sympathize and largely agree with your points, especially because of the constitution thing.

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Jenner7  Nov 14, 2016 • 10:43:08am

They are laughing all the way to the WH.

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Birth Control Works  Nov 14, 2016 • 10:43:23am

re: #520 CuriousLurker

Extensive criticism of LGF members buried in the Pages (emphasis mine):

What went wrong?

Well, for starters: Hillary is a strong woman and therefore dangerous. This was recognized back int he 1990’s and her detractors have been feeding negativity about her to the public for 25 years.

I guess it worked.

SECOND:

WE ARE NOT GOING BACK

WHITE WOMEN

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Nov 14, 2016 • 10:43:56am

re: #475 Targetpractice

I think we did a piss-poor job of campaigning since 2008, 2012 being a partial exception.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Nov 14, 2016 • 10:44:19am

re: #532 Anymouse

You wanna fund my move somewhere else? I have to live somewhere, I got tired of living under bridges and cardboard boxes in Charleston SC, and VA disability won’t make it in a place like MA or NY.

I could have my citizenship threatened by this crazy guy’s election and the wingnuts that surround him.

By the way, you didn’t answer my question if you were sleeping with a loaded shotgun under your bed. You aren’t feeling that threatened right now? I am.

Happy actually did answer your question IN THE QUOTED SEGMENT. But you’re making it really clear to a lot of people that right now, you’re not really reading anything we’re saying beyond looking for confirmation of whatever-it-is you’re looking for.

It gets really hard to engage with someone at that point.

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Birth Control Works  Nov 14, 2016 • 10:44:47am

I am honest about white women (of which I am one).

They have become much to complacent. I guess they may have to wake-up soon.

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Targetpractice  Nov 14, 2016 • 10:44:51am

re: #530 Ziggy_TARDIS

I’m going to side with Anymouse on this one.

We did best when we had Howard Dean’s 50 state strategy in 2006 and 2008. Everyone else dropped the ball since then.

And, as I noted, most of that success got washed away in the first “wave” election of 2010 when the candidates the Anymouses of the party insisted we needed to support got branded with scarlet “ACA”s. One thing or another has to give, either we become a party obsessed about winning everywhere, or we become a party about winning on good ideas and bringing people around to supporting them. We get this feast/famine cycle every few years of winning power, getting a few things accomplished, and then watching the party eviscerated at the polls for the things we got accomplished.

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I Would Prefer Not To  Nov 14, 2016 • 10:45:02am

As President, is Donald Trump going to have to release his 2017 tax returns?

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 14, 2016 • 10:45:14am

re: #513 HappyWarrior

You could just not be patronizing like you claim other people are being. You have every right to want the Democratic Party to do more in your neck of the woods. I think nearly everyone agrees with you on that but when you accuse the party of just playing it safe, your’e being dishoenst and you’re being an ass when you act like none of us have anythign at stake here too. Take it easy, I mean that but please do not act like just because some of your neighbors are assholes that I don’t have concerns of my own.

To me the problem is something Josh Marshall wrote about months ago - as the economy has changed, as manufacturing employed fewer people to make more goods, the White Working Class, which had benefited hugely from white privilege, began losing the benefits of it. And a lot of them live cloistered in places where their interactions with anyone not like them are limited. There’s been resentment for decades of Affirmative Action and any other steps taken to address systemic discrimination. So, they blame minorities for getting stuff they don’t deserve, and immigrants for taking their jobs, and foreign countries for stealing our factories.

But the thing is, EVERYBODY is in the same damn boat. It’s not just the White Working Class, it’s ALL the Working Class. And increasingly the Middle Class, of every variety.

I don’t know how one does it, but that message has to get through. We’re all in this together.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 14, 2016 • 10:45:40am
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BeachDem  Nov 14, 2016 • 10:45:49am

re: #260 lawhawk

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What a joke—every time someone has said something about Hannity’s journalistic cred, he’s responded that he’s not a journalist—the only true thing the asshole has ever said.

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Edge of a dream AKA Cankles Mccellulite  Nov 14, 2016 • 10:45:53am

I just heard the stupid lady on the news say “Steve Bannon, Chief strategist” and then I drank.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 14, 2016 • 10:45:58am

re: #527 Anymouse

You don’t think when the GOP comes after the VA I’ll be in the same boat with epilepsy? My wife in the same boat with her closed head injury?

Goddammit it isn’t about me. Work? I haven’t had any since the VA declared me unemployable. That is public record. I can’t get a job as a store clerk.

I don’t know why this is so hard to get through: If you don’t campaign for over a million votes in one state, you don’t get those million votes. If you don’t campaign for those five electoral votes you don’t get em. What’s so hard about that to understand? The other side was all over this state, in the news every bloody week, surrogates for the campaign blanketed this state to make sure they got out the vote in a mail in vote state that had nearly an 80% turnout in the election.

I feel like I am arguing with a brick wall. As shown in the last election, NY, CA, OR, WA, MA, ME, NH, VT, CT, RI, DC, &c are not enough to win an election.

The party campaigns in places it has low likelihood of winning, or it cedes those places.

Sam Wang had Mrs. Clinton at 99%, Nate Silver at 75%. How’d that turn out?

I don’t know why everyone here keeps claiming I am whining about myself: I am whining about why the party writes off a million voters as either “not worth the time,” “too hard,” or “not worth our effort.”

No, I know it. Again, you keep on saying the Dems only played it safe. Tell me, did you not see the big Clinton rally in Arizona on election day eve? Tehy didn’t just count on those staunchly blue states you mentioned. I will concede they underestimated MI, WI, and PA. I agree with that 100%. I didn’t even accuse you of being selfish. I just said that you seemed to imply that I had nothing at stake when you amde the shotgun under my bed comment and by the way, part of why I don’t own a gun is my disability which makes hand eye coordination and dexterity. I’m someone who has struggled to find work in the Obama years too. For much of Obama’s second term until just last month I was either unemployed or underemployed. Even Democrats can only do so much to help people on the spectrum. I’m trying to be as gentle with you as possible here, I really am.

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Anymouse  Nov 14, 2016 • 10:46:07am

re: #536 Ziggy_TARDIS

I would urge you to file for re-election. I sympathize and largely agree with your points, especially because of the constitution thing.

Nope, thanks but no. No support even from my county party; the Democratic Party could care less about this seat.

I’m done giving up twenty hours a week or more unpaid for literally no support. Suphose give more support than the Democratic Party.

There are plenty of rabid R’s here who would like to run for my seat for no pay with plenty of support from their party.

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I Would Prefer Not To  Nov 14, 2016 • 10:46:50am

I think that the worst job in the US is the man/woman who is auditing Trump’s tax returns. Like fishing for barracudas.

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sagehen  Nov 14, 2016 • 10:47:14am

re: #498 Anymouse

I wish the Dems had thought of that rather than letting our wingnut R Adrian Smith run unopposed for reëlection for the US House.

I could have gotten behind a D candidate; stumped for him or her locally, donated time and money, &c.

You also could have stepped up to BE that candidate. You’d probably have lost, but the people in Omaha would have taken you more seriously and maybe thrown you a few bucks. Even a 27% showing would be noticed; maybe a few of the issues you concentrated on would be things your neighbors would pressure Adrian to come around on.

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Sir John Barron  Nov 14, 2016 • 10:48:14am

re: #543 I Would Prefer Not To

As President, is Donald Trump going to have to release his 2017 tax returns?

Hahahah. Haha.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Nov 14, 2016 • 10:48:26am

re: #542 Targetpractice

We didn’t throw enough support to state parties and marginal seats. We could have not let Republicans win the messaging argument.

We have had crap DNC leadership since Dean. Simple as that. Kaine included.

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Anymouse  Nov 14, 2016 • 10:48:52am

re: #540 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Happy actually did answer your question IN THE QUOTED SEGMENT. But you’re making it really clear to a lot of people that right now, you’re not really reading anything we’re saying beyond looking for confirmation of whatever-it-is you’re looking for.

It gets really hard to engage with someone at that point.

I am sorry, I missed the line where you in fact answered my question. My sincere apology for accusing you of not answering my question when you in fact did. It wasn’t that I didn’t read your answer, I didn’t read it completely. That is my fault, not yours.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 14, 2016 • 10:49:06am

re: #530 Ziggy_TARDIS

I’m going to side with Anymouse on this one.

We did best when we had Howard Dean’s 50 state strategy in 2006 and 2008. Everyone else dropped the ball since then.

I haven’t disagreed with that but even when we had that strategy, we still weren’t doing presidential rallies in areas that overwhelmingly aren’t friendly to us. We should be building up the party locally there adn (AM, if you’ve listened to me, you’ll know we’re both on the same page here), if we do that, we’ll do better in the presidential elections in those places. But that change isn’t going to happen overnight and it wasn’t going to happen this time by having a rally. As I said, we only have so many resources and funds. When we can’t get presidential candidates or top ranking Dems, we should be running people locally. I don’t think most people disagree with AM that the party needs to be in all 50 states and all goddamn however many counties we got, we need to be everyhwere but it’s a bridge too far to expect the party to devote equal resources to places that historically aren’t as Dem friendly.

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Edge of a dream AKA Cankles Mccellulite  Nov 14, 2016 • 10:49:18am

re: #552 Sir John Barron

Hahahah. Haha.

Haha.

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CuriousLurker  Nov 14, 2016 • 10:49:23am

re: #541 Birth Control Works

I am honest about white women (of which I am one).

They have become much to complacent. I guess they may have to wake-up soon.

I swear sometimes I think these guys want to make abortion illegal and birth control difficult (if not impossible) as a way to keep white women barefoot & pregnant to try to turn the demographic tide. The thing is, it would also cause more non-white babies to be born, but these guys don’t seem to think much about unintended consequences.

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freetoken  Nov 14, 2016 • 10:49:30am

Reuters keeps using “firebrand” instead of more to-the-point words:

Trump’s pick of right-wing firebrand for White House job sparks outrage

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ipsos  Nov 14, 2016 • 10:50:13am

I, for one, hope Anymouse doesn’t flounce. I have family in Nebraska, albeit way at the other end of I-80 from him, and they’re good people who are fighting hard to make the state a better place for all of us.

We have 2020 bearing down on us faster than most of us realize. We have seen, beyond a doubt, what a lack of focus on state-level races in the 2006-2010 cycle meant when it came time to redistrict after the 2010 Census. If we’d worked harder to keep Dems in the governor’s mansions and legislatures of WI and NC, I have no doubt - ZERO - that those heinous voter suppression efforts would have been thwarted, those EVs would be Democratic and we’d be having a totally different set of conversations now.

This is also the biggest argument there is against third-party efforts. It’s a question Johnson and Stein supporters have trouble answering - if your candidate gets the White House, who will they have on their side to work with in Congress and the statehouses? I’d have so much more respect for Libertarians and Greens if they started with local races and worked up instead of trying to start from the top and work down.

So I’m with Anymouse, in principle at least, that there has to be some better national effort out there to make sure there’s some sort of Democratic presence in as many jurisdictions as possible. You never know when a random R candidate in some deep-red House district is going to implode during the campaign and present an unexpected pickup opportunity.

Yes, resources are limited (which, on the other side, is why the New York GOP was almost a non-presence in my blue upstate county in races that were hopeless for them, like Schumer’s). I’d sure as hell give more to a DNC that’s out there fighting harder to get more Dems in a big tent. Even - especially - if it means we end up with more Manchins and Heitkamps who are at least on our side when voting for majority leaders and running committees. And especially in the statehouses that Democrats seem to be rapidly surrendering. Imagine what the NC House districts will look like in 2022. Or FL. Or MI. Or…

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HappyWarrior  Nov 14, 2016 • 10:50:45am

re: #532 Anymouse

You wanna fund my move somewhere else? I have to live somewhere, I got tired of living under bridges and cardboard boxes in Charleston SC, and VA disability won’t make it in a place like MA or NY.

I could have my citizenship threatened by this crazy guy’s election and the wingnuts that surround him.

By the way, you didn’t answer my question if you were sleeping with a loaded shotgun under your bed. You aren’t feeling that threatened right now? I am.

I told you why I’m not sleeping under the bed with a shotgun, it’s because I don’t have the dexterity to fire a fucking weapon. Goddamn man, sotp acting like you’re the only one who has experienced hardship. I’m a fucking 29 year old who had to have a defibrator installed in my heart, I have to get SSI which I could well lose due to my neurological condition. I haev just as much if not more at stake than you do.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Nov 14, 2016 • 10:50:47am

re: #549 Anymouse

Please reconsider. We cannot afford to lose anything more. Please. This is how bad things happen.

I’ll even call the Nebraska Democratic Party.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Nov 14, 2016 • 10:50:53am

Also while occasionally the whole “leave behind a topic with a new thread” custom is frustrating, because a conversation isn’t done or was finished before I woke up or whatever, right now I could really appreciate it.

Pretty much everyone has gotten to say their piece, it’d honestly be a lot better for everyone involved to step back and take a break from it.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 14, 2016 • 10:51:10am

re: #543 I Would Prefer Not To

As President, is Donald Trump going to have to release his 2017 tax returns?

He will have plenty of time to hide, defer or downright lie on them. It is the ones up to 2107 that I would like to see.

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Citizen K  Nov 14, 2016 • 10:51:12am

re: #558 freetoken

Reuters keeps using “firebrand” instead of more to-the-point words:

Trump’s pick of right-wing firebrand for White House job sparks outrage

I didn’t realize ‘firebrand’ was a synonym for ‘raging xenophobe and anti-semite’

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Anymouse  Nov 14, 2016 • 10:51:29am

re: #551 sagehen

You also could have stepped up to BE that candidate. You’d probably have lost, but the people in Omaha would have taken you more seriously and maybe thrown you a few bucks. Even a 27% showing would be noticed; maybe a few of the issues you concentrated on would be things your neighbors would pressure Adrian to come around on.

As I mentioned in a previous article, a millionaire rancher here ran in the 2014 election as a Democrat against Adrian Smith and lost. He spent his own money with some additional locally-raised funds, but zero party support.

The lesson learned was do not run here because you will not be supported.

I can’t afford the state filing fee. I certainly can’t afford to campaign in a House race when a millionaire lost it funding it by himself.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Nov 14, 2016 • 10:52:03am

re: #555 HappyWarrior

If you put people there, at least we get heard, and campaigning locally could bring dividends, especially in the long term.

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The Vicious Babushka  Nov 14, 2016 • 10:52:12am

re: #550 I Would Prefer Not To

I think that the worst job in the US is the man/woman who is auditing Trump’s tax returns. Like fishing for barracudas.

I don’t think he is actually being audited at all, it’s just been his bogus excuse. You can release your returns while under audit.

568
Edge of a dream AKA Cankles Mccellulite  Nov 14, 2016 • 10:52:31am

re: #557 CuriousLurker

I swear sometime I think these guys want to make abortion illegal and birth control difficult (if not impossible) as a way to keep white women barefoot & pregnant to try to turn the demographic tide. The thing is, it would also cause more non-white babies to be born, but these guys don’t seem to think much about unintended consequences.

No. Conservative men are just jealous that lefty men have more of an active sex life.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 14, 2016 • 10:53:53am

re: #540 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Happy actually did answer your question IN THE QUOTED SEGMENT. But you’re making it really clear to a lot of people that right now, you’re not really reading anything we’re saying beyond looking for confirmation of whatever-it-is you’re looking for.

It gets really hard to engage with someone at that point.

Yes, I did both times. Even explained why. I don’t have the hand eye coordination to shoot a fucking gun. And as odd as this may sound to you AM, I’m also afraid of blasting myself or due to my anxieties and depression blasting myself too. I feel for you being a disabled vet in a bright red area, I erally, really do but you’re being a patronizing jerk and acting like I’m completely ignoring your concerns. I completely agree with you that the Dems need more of a presence in your area. I completely agree with that. I just don’t think the national Democratic Party taking out ads or having their natioanl candidates is oging ot help in an area that is hostile to the Democratic PArty at the moment. We’re going to change our area from the ground up if we do it and I ohpe we can even if you think I’m just some snob.

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CuriousLurker  Nov 14, 2016 • 10:53:56am

re: #558 freetoken

Reuters keeps using “firebrand” instead of more to-the-point words:

Trump’s pick of right-wing firebrand for White House job sparks outrage

Yeah, they love their euphemisms. Team Pussy-Grabber shouldn’t mind being named for what they are since they’re anti-PC.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 14, 2016 • 10:54:29am

re: #557 CuriousLurker

I swear sometime I think these guys want to make abortion illegal and birth control difficult (if not impossible) as a way to keep white women barefoot & pregnant to try to turn the demographic tide. The thing is, it would also cause more non-white babies to be born, but these guys don’t seem to think much about unintended consequences.

It is also about antiquated views of a patriarchal society where women are chattel to be protected against lustful urges. Only the fear of pregnancy will prevent them from using their womanly wiles to expolit menfolk.

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Targetpractice  Nov 14, 2016 • 10:54:34am

re: #553 Ziggy_TARDIS

We didn’t throw enough support to state parties and marginal seats. We could have not let Republicans win the messaging argument.

We have had crap DNC leadership since Dean. Simple as that. Kaine included.

The messaging argument was lost the moment Blue Dogs started running from their votes. It became herding cats after that point, trying to get everybody on the same message while the GOP is capitalizing on the division to argue that even the people who voted for the ACA didn’t support it.

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Anymouse  Nov 14, 2016 • 10:55:10am

re: #568 Edge of a dream AKA Cankles Mccellulite

No. Conservative men are just jealous that lefty men have more of an active sex life.

LOL.

I picture people like RooshV jealous of us… .

and with that happy though, I bid you goodnight (for varying definitions of “night”)

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wrenchwench  Nov 14, 2016 • 10:55:40am

re: #534 Citizen K

Hrm…quick question. My page ended up tweeting out on my old Twitter account, though I thought I updated to connect my LGF account to my new twitter. What should I do to fix that.

I was gonna suggest that which you already did. My next suggestion would be to do it again. If that doesn’t do it, flag your comment to Charles (with the exclamation point).

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William Lewis  Nov 14, 2016 • 10:57:07am

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HappyWarrior  Nov 14, 2016 • 10:57:15am

re: #562 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Also while occasionally the whole “leave behind a topic with a new thread” custom is frustrating, because a conversation isn’t done or was finished before I woke up or whatever, right now I could really appreciate it.

Pretty much everyone has gotten to say their piece, it’d honestly be a lot better for everyone involved to step back and take a break from it.

I’m headed out shortly anyhow. Going to the gym. I’m not really that upset. I just want AM to understand that I have a lot at stake here too and I resent being painted as this snob. Life with Asperger’s isn’t always easy regardless of who is President but I always try my best to persevere. I finally have a job that fits my skill set but that’s an uncertainty too. I feel I have to go the extra mile to prove myself.

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CuriousLurker  Nov 14, 2016 • 10:57:20am

re: #574 wrenchwench

I was gonna suggest that which you already did. My next suggestion would be to do it again. If that doesn’t do it, flag your comment to Charles (with the exclamation point).

Seconded.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 14, 2016 • 10:57:56am
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Citizen K  Nov 14, 2016 • 10:58:07am

re: #574 wrenchwench

I was gonna suggest that which you already did. My next suggestion would be to do it again. If that doesn’t do it, flag your comment to Charles (with the exclamation point).

Figured it out eventually, had to disconnect from my old one and unauthorize it, then reconnect with the new one.

C’est La Vie. Retweeted the page from my new account anyway, so we’ll see.

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William Lewis  Nov 14, 2016 • 10:58:56am

re: #578 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Damn. Didn’t know the reason last week was her last.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 14, 2016 • 10:59:05am

re: #566 Ziggy_TARDIS

If you put people there, at least we get heard, and campaigning locally could bring dividends, especially in the long term.

That’s what I’ve been saying. If you get more people there, they’ll stop seeing the Democratic PArty as a foreign entity. That’s where AM and I agree I think. I think where we disagree is his and I apologize if I read this wrong that the Dems just played it safe and only campaigned in areas that have been friendly to them. I disagree with that. We campaigned in Arizona, Georgia, Omaha, and ran ads in places iike Utah.

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Timothy Watson  Nov 14, 2016 • 10:59:07am

re: #532 Anymouse

You wanna fund my move somewhere else? I have to live somewhere, I got tired of living under bridges and cardboard boxes in Charleston SC, and VA disability won’t make it in a place like MA or NY.

I could have my citizenship threatened by this crazy guy’s election and the wingnuts that surround him.

By the way, you didn’t answer my question if you were sleeping with a loaded shotgun under your bed. You aren’t feeling that threatened right now? I am.

Dude, I spent a couple hours working the polling site, in between GOTV, and got literal death glares in my rural ass area.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Nov 14, 2016 • 10:59:12am

re: #576 HappyWarrior

The gym is good. (Today is a between runs day for me.)

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BeachDem  Nov 14, 2016 • 10:59:35am

re: #312 Backwoods_Sleuth

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On MSNBC, Reince Priebus defends Steve Bannon, calling him “a force for good” and a “generous, hospitable, wise person to work with.”

And what was the response from the MSNBC “spokesmodels?” Crickets?

(Sorry, I need to rely on others, because I cannot even stand to watch the tv “news” shitshow yet.)

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Lidane  Nov 14, 2016 • 10:59:44am

#NeverTrump write-in candidate for POTUS:

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Sir John Barron  Nov 14, 2016 • 10:59:57am

re: #578 Backwoods_Sleuth

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WTF?

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HappyWarrior  Nov 14, 2016 • 11:00:36am

re: #583 klys (maker of Silmarils)

The gym is good. (Today is a between runs day for me.)

Teh gym is always good. Wouldn’t have lost all the weight I did without it.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 14, 2016 • 11:00:53am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 14, 2016 • 11:01:07am

re: #586 Sir John Barron

WTF?

cancer

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HappyWarrior  Nov 14, 2016 • 11:01:15am

re: #586 Sir John Barron

WTF?

Everyone’s dying.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 14, 2016 • 11:01:42am

re: #589 Backwoods_Sleuth

cancer

Probably explains why she didn’t moderate any of the debates. I understood Lehrer since he’s up there in age and probably retired.

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Edge of a dream AKA Cankles Mccellulite  Nov 14, 2016 • 11:02:00am

Rice Peebus just said that Steve Bannon is a “Force for good”

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Timothy Watson  Nov 14, 2016 • 11:02:17am

re: #578 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Ongoing health problems apparently. From May:
usnews.com

And wasn’t on election night:
foxnews.com

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Sir John Barron  Nov 14, 2016 • 11:02:33am

re: #589 Backwoods_Sleuth

cancer

I had no idea. Too bad. At least she won’t have to see the mess DT makes of Obama’s legacy. R.I.P.

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Anymouse  Nov 14, 2016 • 11:02:37am

re: #569 HappyWarrior

Yes, I did both times. Even explained why. I don’t have the hand eye coordination to shoot a fucking gun. And as odd as this may sound to you AM, I’m also afraid of blasting myself or due to my anxieties and depression blasting myself too. I feel for you being a disabled vet in a bright red area, I erally, really do but you’re being a patronizing jerk and acting like I’m completely ignoring your concerns. I completely agree with you that the Dems need more of a presence in your area. I completely agree with that. I just don’t think the national Democratic Party taking out ads or having their natioanl candidates is oging ot help in an area that is hostile to the Democratic PArty at the moment. We’re going to change our area from the ground up if we do it and I ohpe we can even if you think I’m just some snob.

I’ll quit patronising then, my apologies … keep on keepin’ on.

I don’t know what to do about my area being hostile to the Democrats: I do know that simply withdrawing from the fight won’t fix that.

Perhaps that is why I am neither a party strategist nor an pundit. Bill Kristol is wrong about nearly everything and gets paid tens of millions of dollars to be wrong.

I do better with editing erotic Romances. I really think I ought to leave the heavy lifting of politics to those who understand it better, like why one area should be targeted with adverts or surrogates and others completely ignored. I don’t understand the reasoning, I only see it isn’t working and I don’t know how to fix it.

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Sir John Barron  Nov 14, 2016 • 11:03:03am

re: #592 Edge of a dream AKA Cankles Mccellulite

Rice Peebus just said that Steve Bannon is a “Force for good”

Vomit

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gocart mozart  Nov 14, 2016 • 11:04:12am

This happened yesterday. Someone influential is reading my tweets, should I be honored or a bit concerned?

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Nov 14, 2016 • 11:04:20am

Amid Fear From Left Trump Might Govern As Fascist And Fears From Right He Will Be A Moderate, Trump Declares He Will Govern As A Moron

has entire gop in congress to draw on in support of this goal

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HappyWarrior  Nov 14, 2016 • 11:04:43am

Anyhow, AM, if you’re still here. I have no beef with you. I just wanted you to know who I am too. No, I don’t sleep with guns nearby. And no unlike you I don’t worry about my citizenship being invalidated but you know what, I might actually in a way since I don’t know if my mom’s paternal grandparents came illegally or not so I guess if she loses her citizenship, I would too? I dunno. My point is we all have our anxieties. Mine aren’t worth more than yours but they are mine. Hopefully the Dems do more in your area and I encourage you to run again. Who cares about the national Democratic party, be yourself, that’s what we should be doing ot build up in those areas. There have been plenty of Democrats elected over the years with little help from the higehr ups.

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Sir John Barron  Nov 14, 2016 • 11:04:47am

re: #592 Edge of a dream AKA Cankles Mccellulite

Rice Peebus just said that Steve Bannon is a “Force for good”

I can’t see Rice Peebus lasting as CoS.

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Anymouse  Nov 14, 2016 • 11:04:49am

re: #576 HappyWarrior

I’m headed out shortly anyhow. Going to the gym. I’m not really that upset. I just want AM to understand that I have a lot at stake here too and I resent being painted as this snob. Life with Asperger’s isn’t always easy regardless of who is President but I always try my best to persevere. I finally have a job that fits my skill set but that’s an uncertainty too. I feel I have to go the extra mile to prove myself.

I didn’t paint anyone as a snob. I didn’t even use the word or any synonyms for it. I am sorry if my frustration appeared to indicate I implied you are a snob; I have never met a snob here in my short time at LGF.

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Birth Control Works  Nov 14, 2016 • 11:05:10am

re: #557 CuriousLurker

I swear sometime I think these guys want to make abortion illegal and birth control difficult (if not impossible) as a way to keep white women barefoot & pregnant to try to turn the demographic tide. The thing is, it would also cause more non-white babies to be born, but these guys don’t seem to think much about unintended consequences.

and rich white women.

Hey, it’s all about eliminating competition. As long as they have money or a powerful white man, they are exempt.

People think of themselves as nobility.

Yes, and I think they are scared shitless of the future demographics. Not realizing, of course, they they themselves will be dead by the time white people are a minority and those that will be alive at that time will not have a big problem with it.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Nov 14, 2016 • 11:05:33am

re: #565 Anymouse

re: #569 HappyWarrior

Hey, I don’t want to make people angry, but I think both sides need to cool down here, wait, and talk later. I hate to see all of us fighting, and I just want peace.

Both of you have points, though I lean toward Anymouse. After work, can we all have a more calm talk? Please?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 14, 2016 • 11:06:07am

re: #597 gocart mozart

This happened yesterday. Someone influential is reading my tweets, should I be honored or a bit concerned?

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That’s not Corey. Last name is spelled different in the @ handle.

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Birth Control Works  Nov 14, 2016 • 11:06:10am

re: #567 The Vicious Babushka

I don’t think he is actually being audited at all, it’s just been his bogus excuse. You can release your returns while under audit.

and why would you elect someone whose taxes are being audited?

Never mind.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 14, 2016 • 11:06:27am

re: #595 Anymouse

I’ll quit patronising then, my apologies … keep on keepin’ on.

I don’t know what to do about my area being hostile to the Democrats: I do know that simply withdrawing from the fight won’t fix that.

Perhaps that is why I am neither a party strategist nor an pundit. Bill Kristol is wrong about nearly everything and gets paid tens of millions of dollars to be wrong.

I do better with editing erotic Romances. I really think I ought to leave the heavy lifting of politics to those who understand it better, like why one area should be targeted with adverts or surrogates and others completely ignored. I don’t understand the reasoning, I only see it isn’t working and I don’t know how to fix it.

Thanks, we’re good. Hopefully we get more people like you elected in your neck of the woods. Your neighbors do need to see that the Democratic Party does have their interests at heart. Sure, we may not share the same positions on some things but we care about people from the youngest child to the oldest woman who can remember a time when women couldn’t vote. And that’s why I’ll always be a Democrat and liberal.

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Edge of a dream AKA Cankles Mccellulite  Nov 14, 2016 • 11:06:56am

Now the news is surprised that Donald and Steve have said some controversial things.

WHAT ABOUT EMAILGAHZI??

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Stanley Sea  Nov 14, 2016 • 11:06:57am

re: #578 Backwoods_Sleuth

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WTH

2016

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Sir John Barron  Nov 14, 2016 • 11:07:13am

re: #588 Backwoods_Sleuth

White nationalists gush over Stephen Bannon in the White House: “This is our dream” mediamatters.org pic.twitter.com
— Media Matters

Just a “firebrand”. A “force for good”.

/

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Nov 14, 2016 • 11:07:16am

re: #581 HappyWarrior

I think he is criticizing that the Democrats cede, and don’t even really try, in rural areas.

Which is sad, because I think we could have a wing of the party oriented towards them. It is not difficult.

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Birth Control Works  Nov 14, 2016 • 11:07:18am

re: #603 Ziggy_TARDIS

Hey, I don’t want to make people angry, but I think both sides need to cool down here, wait, and talk later. I hate to see all of us fighting, and I just want peace.

Both of you have points, though I lean toward Anymouse. After work, can we all have a more calm talk? Please?

Cool down? fuck you.

When your entire gender is still not acknowledged as human under the law —you tell me to calm down.

That would be 1/2 the population —what is it about power and control?

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Belafon  Nov 14, 2016 • 11:07:18am

re: #567 The Vicious Babushka

I don’t think he is actually being audited at all, it’s just been his bogus excuse. You can release your returns while under audit.

But he is required by law to be audited, every year, as president.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 14, 2016 • 11:07:22am

re: #601 Anymouse

I didn’t paint anyone as a snob. I didn’t even use the word or any synonyms for it. I am sorry if my frustration appeared to indicate I implied you are a snob; I have never met a snob here in my short time at LGF.

You’re good. We all get frustrated. I know that your heart’s in the right place.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Nov 14, 2016 • 11:07:44am

re: #587 HappyWarrior

Teh gym is always good. Wouldn’t have lost all the weight I did without it.

I have to sort out what I want to do gym-wise moving forward. I did a 20 visit pass to the local one for weights and finished that. I need to do weights (more again) as part of the training for the heavy athletics stuff.

The problem with the place I went is the hours and equipment are very limited (although it does cover most of what I need, I think, so really it’s more the hours) but the price is excellent. Thinking about doing that again on a 10 visit pass, which would get me through to the new year and then I can look at the new year’s deals at some of the other places that might have better hours.

The good thing about running is all I need are my shoes and a path.

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The Vicious Babushka  Nov 14, 2016 • 11:07:56am

re: #605 Birth Control Works

and why would you elect someone whose taxes are being audited?

Never mind.

BECAUSE BENGHAZI EMAILS!!!1!!1!11!!!

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HappyWarrior  Nov 14, 2016 • 11:07:57am

re: #603 Ziggy_TARDIS

Hey, I don’t want to make people angry, but I think both sides need to cool down here, wait, and talk later. I hate to see all of us fighting, and I just want peace.

Both of you have points, though I lean toward Anymouse. After work, can we all have a more calm talk? Please?

We’er good dude. I am. Y tu AM?

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Sir John Barron  Nov 14, 2016 • 11:08:06am

re: #607 Edge of a dream AKA Cankles Mccellulite

Now the news is surprised that Donald and Steve have said some controversial things.

WHAT ABOUT EMAILGAHZI??

I hear Bannon worked at some website.

/

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Nov 14, 2016 • 11:08:28am

re: #595 Anymouse

No, we need to be involved, even me, though not in actual elections. I am too unstable for any elected office.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 14, 2016 • 11:09:52am

re: #610 Ziggy_TARDIS

I think he is criticizing that the Democrats cede, and don’t even really try, in rural areas.

Which is sad, because I think we could have a wing of the party oriented towards them. It is not difficult.

I do agree we could do more in those areas. It’s just tough because living in a rural area, myself I still how hostile so many people here are to basic principles of liberalism even though our policies would certainly benefit them but when we say that, we get accusd of telling them we know what’s better for them. I want us to be honest with voters. Maybe I’m still idealistic but I’d rather be honest about how industrialization has changed things then giev people false hope about certain jobs coming back that never will. Deosn’t mean we ignore those regions of course.

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Timothy Watson  Nov 14, 2016 • 11:10:12am

re: #610 Ziggy_TARDIS

I think he is criticizing that the Democrats cede, and don’t even really try, in rural areas.

Which is sad, because I think we could have a wing of the party oriented towards them. It is not difficult.

I can’t speak to Nebraska, but there was a Democrat running in every one of Virginia’s congressional districts.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Nov 14, 2016 • 11:10:20am

re: #611 Birth Control Works

I was speaking to those 2 only. Those two seemed to be at each other’s throats over a legit problem in the Democratic Party.

I agree on Women’s Rights, because I am in a similar boat. Muslims are threatened here, and all minority and women’s groups need to band together.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 14, 2016 • 11:11:53am

re: #621 Ziggy_TARDIS

I was speaking to those 2 only. Those two seemed to be at each other’s throats over a legit problem in the Democratic Party.

I agree on Women’s Rights, because I am in a similar boat. Muslims are threatened here, and all minority and women’s groups need to band together.

We’re fine. Just sort of lost it when I felt he made the remark about sleeping with a shotgun to be hoenst. I also felt he was saying I feel we should ignore his area which I don’t feel. But if he’s good, I’m good. I know his heart is in the right place and we all have frustrations.

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William Lewis  Nov 14, 2016 • 11:12:17am

re: #621 Ziggy_TARDIS

I was speaking to those 2 only. Those two seemed to be at each other’s throats over a legit problem in the Democratic Party.

I agree on Women’s Rights, because I am in a similar boat. Muslims are threatened here, and all minority and women’s groups need to band together.

Which is exactly why my mantra since election night has been “We are all Mexican and Muslim” because that’s what we must understand in order to Resist these Latter Day Fascists.

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Edge of a dream AKA Cankles Mccellulite  Nov 14, 2016 • 11:12:42am

re: #617 Sir John Barron

I hear Bannon worked at some website.

/

Hes a force for good!111!!!!!!!11

As long as good means we all get our heads beat in by Lucille.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 14, 2016 • 11:13:11am

re: #620 Timothy Watson

I can’t speak to Nebraska, but there was a Democrat running in every one of Virginia’s congressional districts.

We had the most competitive race in years here in VA-10. In the end, unfortunately people here are used to GOP representation on a Congressional level and that sort of won the day in the end.

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Stanley Sea  Nov 14, 2016 • 11:14:08am

for GGT

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HappyWarrior  Nov 14, 2016 • 11:15:20am

re: #626 Stanley Sea

for GGT

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Heh add peas to racist guac while your’e at it too. Disclose I love both guac and pumpkin spice and I don’t caer what people say.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 14, 2016 • 11:15:37am
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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Nov 14, 2016 • 11:15:40am

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Birth Control Works  Nov 14, 2016 • 11:16:11am

I’m going back to Science Fiction.

later all

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 14, 2016 • 11:17:03am
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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Nov 14, 2016 • 11:17:18am
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HappyWarrior  Nov 14, 2016 • 11:17:42am

re: #631 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Goddamn even when they win, they’re still whining.

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Edge of a dream AKA Cankles Mccellulite  Nov 14, 2016 • 11:18:18am

Oh god. journalist Gwen Ifill passed away.

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Targetpractice  Nov 14, 2016 • 11:18:36am

re: #613 HappyWarrior

You’re good. We all get frustrated. I know that your heart’s in the right place.

Fuckin’ A. We’re all dealing with the election in our own ways, we’re all looking at the way it played out and thinking about how we can fix it, and we all are looking for somebody or something to blame. I honestly don’t think we’ve all had time to even really process everything that happened on Tuesday. What I do know, however, is this being at each others throats business isn’t helping anybody. What’s going on in LGF right now is sort of a snapshot of the party, of the country, as a whole. We all have our own problems, all are dealing without own stress and issues, and we need to understand that even if the guy next to us isn’t showing it…he can still be hurting inside.

I’m sorry if I come off as a hateful asshole, Anymouse. That I’m not taking your concerns seriously. But I’ve got my own shit going on in my life, so when I come on and get basically told that I and people like me are in some way responsible for Tuesday…shit like that is hard to process.

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The Vicious Babushka  Nov 14, 2016 • 11:19:03am

re: #634 Edge of a dream AKA Cankles Mccellulite

Oh god. journalist Gwen Ifill passed away.

2016 sucks like a black hole.

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Sir John Barron  Nov 14, 2016 • 11:19:38am

re: #631 Backwoods_Sleuth

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1. Democrat Party stole popular vote.
2. Trump actually won popular vote—media is lying.
3. Electoral vote is most democratic.
4. Popular vote just represents big cities and those people.
5. Jade Helm 17 is coming.

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allegro  Nov 14, 2016 • 11:19:49am

re: #559 ipsos

I, for one, hope Anymouse doesn’t flounce. I have family in Nebraska, albeit way at the other end of I-80 from him, and they’re good people who are fighting hard to make the state a better place for all of us.

We have 2020 bearing down on us faster than most of us realize. We have seen, beyond a doubt, what a lack of focus on state-level races in the 2006-2010 cycle meant when it came time to redistrict after the 2010 Census. If we’d worked harder to keep Dems in the governor’s mansions and legislatures of WI and NC, I have no doubt - ZERO - that those heinous voter suppression efforts would have been thwarted, those EVs would be Democratic and we’d be having a totally different set of conversations now.

This is also the biggest argument there is against third-party efforts. It’s a question Johnson and Stein supporters have trouble answering - if your candidate gets the White House, who will they have on their side to work with in Congress and the statehouses? I’d have so much more respect for Libertarians and Greens if they started with local races and worked up instead of trying to start from the top and work down.

So I’m with Anymouse, in principle at least, that there has to be some better national effort out there to make sure there’s some sort of Democratic presence in as many jurisdictions as possible. You never know when a random R candidate in some deep-red House district is going to implode during the campaign and present an unexpected pickup opportunity.

Yes, resources are limited (which, on the other side, is why the New York GOP was almost a non-presence in my blue upstate county in races that were hopeless for them, like Schumer’s). I’d sure as hell give more to a DNC that’s out there fighting harder to get more Dems in a big tent. Even - especially - if it means we end up with more Manchins and Heitkamps who are at least on our side when voting for majority leaders and running committees. And especially in the statehouses that Democrats seem to be rapidly surrendering. Imagine what the NC House districts will look like in 2022. Or FL. Or MI. Or…

THIS is the way to present the case, one in which I think most all of us agree with. It also gives us some good ideas to discuss and implement as a party. Thank you.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Nov 14, 2016 • 11:20:18am

re: #632 klys (maker of Silmarils)

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Targetpractice  Nov 14, 2016 • 11:20:19am

re: #636 The Vicious Babushka

2016 sucks like a black hole.

I’m convinced the script for 2016 was written by George R.R. Martin. And that every time we complain, he kills off another celebrity.

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Sir John Barron  Nov 14, 2016 • 11:20:35am

re: #633 HappyWarrior

Goddamn even when they win, they’re still whining.

The popular vote is rigged.

//

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The Vicious Babushka  Nov 14, 2016 • 11:21:17am

re: #640 Targetpractice

I’m convinced the script for 2016 was written by George R.R. Martin. And that every time we complain, he kills off another celebrity.

We won’t care when the meteor strikes on New Year’s Eve.

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Citizen K  Nov 14, 2016 • 11:21:24am

re: #633 HappyWarrior

Goddamn even when they win, they’re still whining.

It’s never enough to win. They have to dominate and subjugate.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Nov 14, 2016 • 11:21:25am

re: #622 HappyWarrior

I think he has a right to be pissed at the Nebraska Democratic Party.

One thing for Rural Areas that might help. Deregulate GMOs. Though RationalWiki has gotten bad, it still has a good explanation of this.

Ironically, it seems that Monsanto gained a near monopoly position in the GM seed market because of onerous regulation of GM crops, which effectively prevents any publicly funded research project or a small start-up from successfully navigating a product through the bureaucracy.[36] These regulations were mainly brought about in response to public concern manufactured by anti-GMO groups. Monsanto is, therefore, a nemesis of their own making.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 14, 2016 • 11:21:49am

meanwhile in West Virginia:

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Amory Blaine  Nov 14, 2016 • 11:22:22am

re: #535 klys (maker of Silmarils)

As a CA Lizard, I have to say that I didn’t really see much advertising for the Presidential race here.

Maybe I need to complain to the DNC.

///

That’s because you paid the subscription. Or else the toenail fungus ads crowded out the political ads.
/

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Nov 14, 2016 • 11:22:27am

re: #639 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Really if you’re not following her on Twitter just fix that already. You get things like this, the occasional foray into bugs and/or gardening, tweetstorms on the history of corn, and writing bits. Also animals and stories about what she overhears at the coffee shop.

I may be biased but her tweets always make my day better even when they’re on a subject like this.

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Sir John Barron  Nov 14, 2016 • 11:22:59am

re: #640 Targetpractice

I’m convinced the script for 2016 was written by George R.R. Martin. And that every time we complain, he kills off another celebrity.

Anybody else watching Westworld?

Last night slammed me. I was totally fooled, even though apparently True Watchers of the show suspected something was up with that character.

Bernard was revealed as being a Host.

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Chrysicat  Nov 14, 2016 • 11:23:21am

re: #527 Anymouse

It wrote them off because everybody knew they would break about 60% for the fascist.

I don’t care how retail your politics get; that’s too big a hole to fill.

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Edge of a dream AKA Cankles Mccellulite  Nov 14, 2016 • 11:24:06am

Trump is backing down from building the “wall” I’m not going to let him.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 14, 2016 • 11:24:31am
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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Nov 14, 2016 • 11:25:19am

re: #642 The Vicious Babushka

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No Depression  Nov 14, 2016 • 11:25:55am

re: #634 Edge of a dream AKA Cankles Mccellulite

Oh god. journalist Gwen Ifill passed away.

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The Vicious Babushka  Nov 14, 2016 • 11:26:05am

re: #652 klys (maker of Silmarils)

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How many people will it kill on the way down?

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William Lewis  Nov 14, 2016 • 11:28:27am

re: #633 HappyWarrior

Goddamn even when they win, they’re still whining.

It’s after 5 somewhere & I don’t work till 10 pm Tuesday. Where’s my beer and whiskey?

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Sir John Barron  Nov 14, 2016 • 11:28:33am

re: #645 Backwoods_Sleuth

Following the results of the presidential election, Taylor posted the following on her Facebook page: “It will be refreshing to have a classy, beautiful, dignified First Lady in the White House. I’m tired of seeing an ape in heels.”

(snip)

Taylor says she has been reprimanded at her job and is unsure whether she will be able to keep her position. She was also on Clay County’s pageant festival committee but tells WSAZ she does not hold any leadership positions in pageantry.

Taylor says she is working with her attorney to file a lawsuit against individual(s) who have slandered her.

She says she is sorry for everything that has happened but says she now believes the situation has turned into a “hate crime against me.”

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electrotek  Nov 14, 2016 • 11:29:02am

re: #428 Dr. Matt

On an unrelated note, has anyone spent time in the UK driving on “the wrong side”? I’m heading there in a few weeks and a bit anxious. Any tips?

Just tell yourself to stay left and you’ll be fine.

If I can drive a Honda NSX or a Nissan Skyline GTR R-34 in the mountains of Japan, you will be fine over in the UK.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Nov 14, 2016 • 11:29:12am

re: #644 Ziggy_TARDIS

This is also an area where we need to confront the world, along with any countries that fully accept GMOs and research, to stop the GMO hysteria. Studies have been done for decades, and we have not found evidence of major issues with GMOs.

I do think there needs to be an expiration on the Patents though, on GMOs. Like, say, 20-years?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 14, 2016 • 11:29:23am

but do not dare call them deplorable:

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 14, 2016 • 11:30:18am

re: #656 Sir John Barron

bless her heart….

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Nov 14, 2016 • 11:30:23am

re: #655 William Lewis

It’s after 5 somewhere & I don’t work till 10 pm Tuesday. Where’s my beer and whiskey?

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Citizen K  Nov 14, 2016 • 11:30:28am

re: #656 Sir John Barron

….being held accountable for your own words is not a fucking hate crime, you dim piece of crap. Sweet Lord, lady.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Nov 14, 2016 • 11:31:03am

re: #656 Sir John Barron

The DARVO is strong with this one.

664
ipsos  Nov 14, 2016 • 11:33:22am

re: #657 electrotek

In visits to the UK and Ireland, I’ve found the “stay left” part isn’t really the most confusing. The roads, even small ones in rural areas, tend to be very generously marked with directional arrows that make it surprisingly hard to find yourself in the wrong lane. The use of roundabouts instead of crossroad intersections helps, too.

The part that does throw me is, for lack of a better word, “dimensional perception.” When I’m sitting on the left side of the car and driving on the right side of the road, I have decades of experience that tells me instinctively where the right side of the car is and where I need to be positioned in the lane so that I don’t graze the side of the road or the side of the house or whatever.

Sitting on the right side of the car, I don’t have that same instinct to the left. THAT took some learning.

665
CuriousLurker  Nov 14, 2016 • 11:34:04am

re: #647 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Really if you’re not following her on Twitter just fix that already. You get things like this, the occasional foray into bugs and/or gardening, tweetstorms on the history of corn, and writing bits. Also animals and stories about what she overhears at the coffee shop.

I may be biased but her tweets always make my day better even when they’re on a subject like this.

Just followed her. I need the chuckles, heh.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Nov 14, 2016 • 11:34:28am

re: #665 CuriousLurker

Just followed her. I need the chuckles, heh.

She’s still going! Now swapping parasite horror stories with the nurse!

667
Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 14, 2016 • 11:34:46am
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ipsos  Nov 14, 2016 • 11:35:20am

re: #664 ipsos

Oh, also: study up a wee bit on the differences in signage between here and there. 90 percent of it will be obvious, but the other 10 percent very much will not.

669
Timothy Watson  Nov 14, 2016 • 11:36:14am

re: #667 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Linking to MediaMatters of all places too.

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BeachDem  Nov 14, 2016 • 11:39:47am

re: #393 HappyWarrior

They all were obviously far from my favorite Dems but they were Dems none the less. Obviously, a party’s gotta have principles but Nelson to his credit was one of the first people to endorse then Senator Obama for office. There’s a difference between being a conservative Dem and an outright fat fuck. People are going to have to accept that if we return to the 50 state strategy, we will have some Blue Dogs in office.

And Mary Landrieu was out on the stump for Hillary.

Sure, it would be great to have progressive Dems everywhere, but I would be thrilled to have ANY Dems win office here in SC. We had so freaking many seats with uncontested Republicans running it was ridiculous. And yet, we had Dems primarying each other. Yeah, that’s a great way to go about it.

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CuriousLurker  Nov 14, 2016 • 11:41:55am

re: #667 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Is it just me or has Duke become incredibly creepy looking over the past few years? He looks like he’s had bad plastic surgery or something. Or maybe his inner reality is finally manifesting itself physically. Either way, he’s not aging well… *shudder*

672
Kragar  Nov 14, 2016 • 11:42:16am
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The Vicious Babushka  Nov 14, 2016 • 11:42:55am

re: #671 CuriousLurker

Is it just me or has Duke become incredibly creepy looking over the past few years? He looks like he’s had bad plastic surgery or something. Or maybe his inner reality is finally manifesting itself physically. Either way, he’s not aging well… *shudder*

He has the white skin around his eyes just like Trump.

674
CuriousLurker  Nov 14, 2016 • 11:44:37am

re: #673 The Vicious Babushka

He has the white skin around his eyes just like Trump.

His whole face looks “off,” like he’s wearing a mask or something.

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Timothy Watson  Nov 14, 2016 • 11:44:46am

re: #673 The Vicious Babushka

He has the white skin around his eyes just like Trump.

Maybe they’re alien-human hybrids for a species that went back in time in an attempt to destroy Earth.

Shit, I think I just referenced a Star Trek: Enterprise plot. I’ll show myself out.

676
The Vicious Babushka  Nov 14, 2016 • 11:45:34am

re: #674 CuriousLurker

His whole face looks “off,” like he’s wearing a mask or something.

Maybe he is just a bunch of cannibal crabs in a skin suit.

677
Sir John Barron  Nov 14, 2016 • 11:47:34am

re: #669 Timothy Watson

Linking to MediaMatters of all places too.

Ah, the center of the Jewish media conspiracy.

//

678
Kragar  Nov 14, 2016 • 11:47:38am
679
Bass Reeves  Nov 14, 2016 • 11:48:20am

re: #648 Sir John Barron

I’m not reading your spoiler! Just for that, I’m leaving! Good Day!!*

*I said GOOD DAY!

680
CuriousLurker  Nov 14, 2016 • 11:51:58am

re: #676 The Vicious Babushka

Maybe he is just a bunch of cannibal crabs in a skin suit.

LOL, maybe you’re right!

Here are two examples that show what I’m talking about: 1 & 2. The crappy toupee makes it even worse.

681
CuriousLurker  Nov 14, 2016 • 11:53:56am

re: #678 Kragar

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I like his follow-up comment:

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CuriousLurker  Nov 14, 2016 • 11:54:52am

Out for now—gotta get some work done.

Laters.

683
Ziggy_TARDIS  Nov 14, 2016 • 11:55:42am

End of thread, but something else to think about for Democrats.

Nuclear Power may be the most effective way to grind climate change to a halt. Promote it, and the construction of Nuclear Reactors, and breeder reactors to process the vast majority of wast.

684
Nyet  Nov 14, 2016 • 12:01:58pm

re: #683 Ziggy_TARDIS

End of thread, but something else to think about for Democrats.

Nuclear Power may be the most effective way to grind climate change to a halt. Promote it, and the construction of Nuclear Reactors, and breeder reactors to process the vast majority of wast.

Stupid people threw a monkey wrench into it in Germany, which gave a bad example to many others.

685
BeachDem  Nov 14, 2016 • 12:06:27pm

re: #492 Backwoods_Sleuth

this should work out well…

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Yeah, she was SO successful in her last (and first) statewide run.

And Ohio got/kept Jon Husted, voter suppressor supreme, as SoS. Thanks, Nina.

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Edge of a dream AKA Cankles Mccellulite  Nov 14, 2016 • 12:08:39pm

Now that Trump is President, people are starting to question he and Bannons racist views.
Hahaha!

Come on liberal media! Back to the Hillary emails and Kim Kardashian drama!11!!

687
William Lewis  Nov 14, 2016 • 12:08:41pm

re: #684 Nyet

Stupid people threw a monkey wrench into it in Germany, which gave a bad example to many others.

Pity as the Throium breeders are a really good tech to get us off of carbon.

688
ObserverArt  Nov 14, 2016 • 12:41:50pm

re: #335 darthstar

I know. Peter Daou has been harping on Bernie’s having opinions as well, because he doesn’t have a D next to his name.

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Are you ever going to stop making excuses for Bernie?

This is as tone deaf as it gets.

Fuck Sanders. He just proved what many have thought all along.

689
makeitstop  Nov 14, 2016 • 12:57:11pm

re: #674 CuriousLurker

His whole face looks “off,” like he’s wearing a mask or something.

Remember he had cosmetic surgery back in the day…

690
Eventual Carrion  Nov 14, 2016 • 1:14:05pm

re: #676 The Vicious Babushka

Maybe he is just a bunch of cannibal crabs in a skin suit.

Crab people, crab people, crab people …

691
We're Way Beyond Snark  Nov 14, 2016 • 1:24:52pm

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meteor  Nov 14, 2016 • 3:42:25pm

There’s no way Alex Jones is only 42. He’s at least 15 more than that if he’s a day.

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Lancelot Link  Nov 14, 2016 • 3:42:56pm

re: #609 Sir John Barron

Just a “firebrand”. A “force for good”.

/

The “firebrand” is what they use to light the cross.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Nov 14, 2016 • 6:21:56pm

re: #179 Anymouse

My village gets a hoot out of some of the messages I put on our answering machine.

When I had an answering machine some 20 years ago, I used a clip from “Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan”:

Khan’s Bridge Officer: “She still hasn’t raised her shields”
Khan: “Raise ours”
Spock: “Their shields have gone up”
Khan: “Lock phasers on target.”
Spock: “They’re locking phasers.”
Kirk: “Raise shields.”
Khan: “FIRE!”
(6 seconds of phaser fire and ship destruction sounds)

Me: “I’m a little busy right now, can you please leave your name and number and I’ll get back to you as soon as this crises is over?”

695
Dave In Austin  Nov 15, 2016 • 4:31:23am

……. Never Mind

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Edge of a dream AKA Cankles Mccellulite  Nov 16, 2016 • 8:02:36am

re: #125 Anymouse

LOL. The only Nazi that won’t be welcome in the incoming administration will be Grammar Nazis, so you’ll be safe.

Yeah my grammar sucks. F you! Hahahahaha!


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