Video: John Oliver’s Funny but Sobering Post-Mortem on the Thing

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John Oliver devoted his entire show last night to the thing. You know the thing I’m talking about. Yes, that thing.

One of his main points is something we’re all going to have to take to heart: we must resist the inevitable attempts to normalize the Trump presidency and the white nationalism and xenophobia it embodies. It’s already starting on the cable news channels, where we’re seeing “alt-right” enabler Stephen Bannon (now Trump’s “chief strategist”) referred to as simply a “former Goldman Sachs executive.” We’re in for a pretty rough four years, but we can’t let this become the new normal for America.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 14, 2016 • 11:55:55am
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Lidane  Nov 14, 2016 • 12:03:42pm

First Amendment, how the fuck does it work?

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Kragar  Nov 14, 2016 • 12:05:03pm
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Belafon  Nov 14, 2016 • 12:09:21pm

re: #2 Lidane

First Amendment, how the fuck does it work?

How’s Trump expected to take over if reporters gain access?

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lawhawk  Nov 14, 2016 • 12:09:30pm

So, Clinton speaks at Goldman Sachs and gets paid for it, and that’s a bad evil thing.

Trump picks a former Goldman Sachs exec, who also happens to be a white supremacist and bigot whose claim to fame is running a white nationalist bigot brigade of a website (Breitbart) and he’s got the ear of the President-elect, and we get nothing but crickets.

Astounding/not astounding.

There’s some mighty massive double standards going on here. Supermassive black hole-gravity well sized double standards.

Clinton couldn’t do anything right according to the GOP, and the worst things they said about Clinton are literally the best things you can say about Trump’s inner circle - they worked for Goldman Sachs.

The media - especially the broadcast media - failed miserably in all of this.

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Franklin  Nov 14, 2016 • 12:10:45pm

Ha!

“Hindsight, much like the year we are looking forward to, is 20-20.”

— John Oliver

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Lidane  Nov 14, 2016 • 12:10:52pm

I’ll believe this when I see it:

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Skip Intro  Nov 14, 2016 • 12:11:35pm

re: #7 Lidane

I doubt that any GOP reps will say that.

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Kragar  Nov 14, 2016 • 12:12:14pm
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The Battle of Cable Street took place on Sunday 4 October 1936 in Cable Street in the East End of London. It was a clash between the Metropolitan Police, protecting a march by members of the British Union of Fascists,[1] led by Oswald Mosley, and various anti-fascist demonstrators, including local Jewish, Irish, socialist, anarchist and communist groups. The majority of both marchers and counter-protesters travelled into the area for this purpose. Mosley planned to send thousands of marchers dressed in uniforms styled on those of Blackshirts through the East End, which then had a large Jewish population.

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Sir John Barron  Nov 14, 2016 • 12:12:28pm

re: #5 lawhawk

So, Clinton speaks at Goldman Sachs and gets paid for it, and that’s a bad evil thing.

Trump picks a former Goldman Sachs exec, who also happens to be a white supremacist and bigot whose claim to fame is running a white nationalist bigot brigade of a website (Breitbart) and he’s got the ear of the President-elect, and we get nothing but crickets.

Astounding/not astounding.

There’s some mighty massive double standards going on here. Supermassive black hole-gravity well sized double standards.

Clinton couldn’t do anything right according to the GOP, and the worst things they said about Clinton are literally the best things you can say about Trump’s inner circle - they worked for Goldman Sachs.

The media - especially the broadcast media - failed miserably in all of this.

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Bannon’s a former Goldman Sachs person?

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Charles Johnson  Nov 14, 2016 • 12:12:59pm
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Sir John Barron  Nov 14, 2016 • 12:13:33pm

re: #2 Lidane

First Amendment, how the fuck does it work?

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Except for Fox News, Alex Jones, Sean Hannity himself—journalist, and breitbart.com.

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Charles Johnson  Nov 14, 2016 • 12:14:14pm

Oliver calls out Addicting Info in this video for publishing fake news. He’s right.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 14, 2016 • 12:16:21pm
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Mike Lamb  Nov 14, 2016 • 12:16:31pm

re: #2 Lidane

First Amendment, how the fuck does it work?

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I don’t think it would violate the first amendment. But if he thinks he’s surviving a second term with what would be the most hostile media in history or that most people will turn to Breitbart or Fox for news re: the administration, he’s insane.

I say do it. Please do it.

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Charles Johnson  Nov 14, 2016 • 12:17:13pm
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calochortus  Nov 14, 2016 • 12:17:36pm

re: #5 lawhawk

So, Clinton speaks at Goldman Sachs and gets paid for it, and that’s a bad evil thing.

Trump picks a former Goldman Sachs exec, who also happens to be a white supremacist and bigot whose claim to fame is running a white nationalist bigot brigade of a website (Breitbart) and he’s got the ear of the President-elect, and we get nothing but crickets.

Astounding/not astounding.

There’s some mighty massive double standards going on here. Supermassive black hole-gravity well sized double standards.

Clinton couldn’t do anything right according to the GOP, and the worst things they said about Clinton are literally the best things you can say about Trump’s inner circle - they worked for Goldman Sachs.

The media - especially the broadcast media - failed miserably in all of this. [bolding mine]

This.

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Timothy Watson  Nov 14, 2016 • 12:17:36pm

re: #11 Charles Johnson

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How much money would you need to pay off Lady Gaga?

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The Vicious Babushka  Nov 14, 2016 • 12:17:43pm

re: #13 Charles Johnson

Oliver calls out Addicting Info in this video for publishing fake news. He’s right.

There are some liberal (alt left) sites that promote fake news. AddictingInfo, BipartisanReport come to mind. Something called DailyNewsBin.

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Mike Lamb  Nov 14, 2016 • 12:18:45pm

re: #14 Backwoods_Sleuth

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That’s bigly swamp draining right there. We’re sure to increase our international stature with Bolton as SoS.

Oh, I’m also old enough to remember when it was HRC who was going to get us into wars…

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Sir John Barron  Nov 14, 2016 • 12:19:40pm

re: #16 Charles Johnson

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I wonder if John Mustache is pro-Putin enough.

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Nyet  Nov 14, 2016 • 12:19:42pm

re: #16 Charles Johnson

Pam his deputy on Muslim Affairs?

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Citizen K  Nov 14, 2016 • 12:19:48pm

re: #16 Charles Johnson

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“Drain the Swamp”, refill it with yesteryear’s sewage.

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Stanley Sea  Nov 14, 2016 • 12:20:21pm

re: #16 Charles Johnson

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Insane

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Jenner7  Nov 14, 2016 • 12:21:34pm

So, the guy who said he was against the Iraq war (lie) wants John Bolton for SOS?

I give up, America.

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Charles Johnson  Nov 14, 2016 • 12:21:49pm
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Timothy Watson  Nov 14, 2016 • 12:22:59pm

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 14, 2016 • 12:23:21pm
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Jenner7  Nov 14, 2016 • 12:23:56pm

re: #28 Backwoods_Sleuth

Except that one time, about a week ago.

Jesus.

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Jenner7  Nov 14, 2016 • 12:24:46pm

I need a drink.

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Timothy Watson  Nov 14, 2016 • 12:25:03pm

re: #30 Jenner7

I need a drink.

Just one?

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Sir John Barron  Nov 14, 2016 • 12:25:26pm

re: #28 Backwoods_Sleuth

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So, appeasement, then.

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Mattand  Nov 14, 2016 • 12:26:29pm

re: #20 Mike Lamb

That’s bigly swamp draining right there. We’re sure to increase our international stature with Bolton as SoS.

Oh, I’m also old enough to remember when it was HRC who was going to get us into wars…

I’m might get some grief for this, but over the last week, I’ve gotten more worried that by 2020, we’re going to nuke someone.

Trump is still angry about some pissing contest he had with Rosie O’Donnell 15 years ago. If someone like North Korea gets belligerent, and with monsters like Bolton whispering in Trump’s ear?

Honestly, I’m having hard time watching Walking Dead anymore, because I’m seeing it more as an instructional video of where we’re going to be 4 years from now.

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Sir John Barron  Nov 14, 2016 • 12:26:35pm

re: #28 Backwoods_Sleuth

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I wonder if by “internal affairs” Putin means all of the countries formerly a part of the Soviet Union.

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The Vicious Babushka  Nov 14, 2016 • 12:27:39pm

re: #32 Sir John Barron

So, appeasement, then.

Trump bends over to accept Putin’s shoe up his ass.

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Sir John Barron  Nov 14, 2016 • 12:27:56pm

Hard to imagine Trump on the phone with Putin, or any other world leader, and speaking with intelligence about any issue.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 14, 2016 • 12:28:07pm
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ETA: photo is apparently from October

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Timothy Watson  Nov 14, 2016 • 12:28:12pm

re: #32 Sir John Barron

So, appeasement, then.

Peace in our time!

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Mattand  Nov 14, 2016 • 12:28:38pm

re: #5 lawhawk

So, Clinton speaks at Goldman Sachs and gets paid for it, and that’s a bad evil thing.

Trump picks a former Goldman Sachs exec, who also happens to be a white supremacist and bigot whose claim to fame is running a white nationalist bigot brigade of a website (Breitbart) and he’s got the ear of the President-elect, and we get nothing but crickets.

Astounding/not astounding.

There’s some mighty massive double standards going on here. Supermassive black hole-gravity well sized double standards.

Clinton couldn’t do anything right according to the GOP, and the worst things they said about Clinton are literally the best things you can say about Trump’s inner circle - they worked for Goldman Sachs.

The media - especially the broadcast media - failed miserably in all of this.

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Noticed this as well.

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Franklin  Nov 14, 2016 • 12:28:58pm

Just watched the John Oliver episode above. That was cathartic. May I add “FUCK YOU 2016”!!!

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Sir John Barron  Nov 14, 2016 • 12:29:52pm

re: #36 Sir John Barron

Hard to imagine Trump on the phone with Putin, or any other world leader, and speaking with intelligence about any issue.

Hey, Put! See my Twitter page?! I’m the greatest. You’re pretty great, too. What did you call to talk about? Here, talk to my assistant, I gotta tweet that I talked to you.

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calochortus  Nov 14, 2016 • 12:32:23pm

re: #21 Sir John Barron

I wonder if John Mustache is pro-Putin enough.

Bolton is not popular with a lot of hard core Trump supporters. They don’t want Bush-era retreads and they don’t want to spend on the military as we’d have to if we were as hawkish as Bolton.

This is one of Trump’s (many) weak points politically. He was that Rorschach ink blot that people projected their dreams onto. Now that he is beginning to actually have to do something, he’s going to anger many. He had a coalition of the dissatisfied, rather than people sharing a specific idea of what to do.

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Charles Johnson  Nov 14, 2016 • 12:33:04pm
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Timothy Watson  Nov 14, 2016 • 12:33:11pm

Trump made some comment that a woman will just have to go across state lines if Roe v. Wade is overturned.

And when Congress makes it a crime to go across state lines to procure an abortion, what then?

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The Vicious Babushka  Nov 14, 2016 • 12:33:48pm

re: #44 Timothy Watson

Trump made some comment that a woman will just have to go across state lines if Roe v. Wade is overturned.

And when Congress makes it a crime to go across state lines to procure an abortion, what then?

Dead people in back alleys.

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The Vicious Babushka  Nov 14, 2016 • 12:34:31pm

re: #44 Timothy Watson

Trump made some comment that a woman will just have to go across state lines if Roe v. Wade is overturned.

And when Congress makes it a crime to go across state lines to procure an abortion, what then?

Rich women will always have the option to take a vacation to the Netherlands.

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calochortus  Nov 14, 2016 • 12:34:35pm

re: #44 Timothy Watson

Trump made some comment that a woman will just have to go across state lines if Roe v. Wade is overturned.

And when Congress makes it a crime to go across state lines to procure an abortion, what then?

They won’t. Their female family members need access. Poor people who can’t afford to do so? Well, I think we all know that they need to learn personal responsibility.
/ (do I really need to?)

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Kragar  Nov 14, 2016 • 12:34:42pm
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lawhawk  Nov 14, 2016 • 12:36:02pm

re: #44 Timothy Watson

Trump made some comment that a woman will just have to go across state lines if Roe v. Wade is overturned.

And when Congress makes it a crime to go across state lines to procure an abortion, what then?

With Trump and GOP in charge, expect the following:

1) There will be GOP states that will make it illegal to have abortion after 20 weeks.
2) Some states will push that to 16 or 12 weeks.
3) A few will make no exceptions for health of the mother, rape, etc.
4) One or more may go for an outright ban.

Any/all will be challenging Roe on any number of grounds. Multiprong attack.

At same time, the GOP control of state legislature means that it’s possible that by 2018 they’d have enough legislatures to try and push a constitutional amendment to make abortion illegal nationally - Roe be damned.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 14, 2016 • 12:37:05pm

Bolton? Egads.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 14, 2016 • 12:37:23pm
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The Vicious Babushka  Nov 14, 2016 • 12:37:24pm

re: #49 lawhawk

With Trump and GOP in charge, expect the following:

1) There will be GOP states that will make it illegal to have abortion after 20 weeks.
2) Some states will push that to 16 or 12 weeks.
3) A few will make no exceptions for health of the mother, rape, etc.
4) One or more may go for an outright ban.

Any/all will be challenging Roe on any number of grounds. Multiprong attack.

At same time, the GOP control of state legislature means that it’s possible that by 2018 they’d have enough legislatures to try and push a constitutional amendment to make abortion illegal nationally - Roe be damned.

Then they will complain that the non-whites are breeding too fast.

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Charles Johnson  Nov 14, 2016 • 12:38:14pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 14, 2016 • 12:39:16pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 14, 2016 • 12:41:32pm
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HappyWarrior  Nov 14, 2016 • 12:42:51pm

re: #55 Backwoods_Sleuth

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HappyWarrior  Nov 14, 2016 • 12:44:00pm

I’m thinking Brewer and not Palin gets Sec of Int.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 14, 2016 • 12:45:38pm
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Sir John Barron  Nov 14, 2016 • 12:46:17pm

re: #55 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Hmmmm. Interesting. All that sucking up and nothing. Stabbed in the back by GOP Elites! Drain the Swamp!

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calochortus  Nov 14, 2016 • 12:47:29pm

re: #58 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Except that it’s why we won’t back out of NAFTA, and everyone will forget about the promise.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 14, 2016 • 12:48:02pm

re: #58 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Yay gunz!

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ObserverArt  Nov 14, 2016 • 12:50:39pm

I haven’t been able to keep up today, but I just saw that tweet From Bernie Sanders about being humiliated about Dems not speaking for the White Working Class people from where he lives.

Fuck you Sanders.

And I don’t know if Darthstar is around or not, but damn man do you need anymore proof that Sanders is tone deaf? Am I to think you support that tweet after I saw the comment that came right after BackwoodsSleuth’s post of the tweet.

You have anything you want to tell us?

I am so glad that ass didn’t get the nomination…and it doesn’t matter if he had a “D” by his name or not. He really wants a “B”…for both being a damn old blockhead and dare I say a bigot too. Grrrrrr.

This country is losing it. We have fractures all over the damn place.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Nov 14, 2016 • 12:51:04pm

Damn, missed my 20,000th comment somewhere in there.

In roughly 4 years.

Okay, I probably just talk a lot.

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Mike Lamb  Nov 14, 2016 • 12:52:07pm

re: #42 calochortus

Bolton is not popular with a lot of hard core Trump supporters. They don’t want Bush-era retreads and they don’t want to spend on the military as we’d have to if we were as hawkish as Bolton.

This is one of Trump’s (many) weak points politically. He was that Rorschach ink blot that people projected their dreams onto. Now that he is beginning to actually have to do something, he’s going to anger many. He had a coalition of the dissatisfied, rather than people sharing a specific idea of what to do.

From the department of redundancy department, Trump supporters are fucking idiots. He stated several times he was going to increase the size of the military if he was elected.

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Dr. Matt  Nov 14, 2016 • 12:52:38pm

re: #2 Lidane

Sean Hannity wants Donald Trump to ban the press from the White House salon.com

— Salon (@Salon) November 14, 2016

And Lumpy is the first to shit himself when someone calls him a fascist scum.

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Edge of a dream AKA Cankles Mccellulite  Nov 14, 2016 • 12:53:50pm

re: #2 Lidane

First Amendment, how the fuck does it work?

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Why is he worried about the media? It’s not like they do their job or anything.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Nov 14, 2016 • 12:58:06pm

Lots of people really happy to preach to others about what went wrong.

I’m tired of preaching.

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ObserverArt  Nov 14, 2016 • 12:58:20pm

re: #2 Lidane

First Amendment, how the fuck does it work?

Salon ✔ @Salon
Sean Hannity wants Donald Trump to ban the press from the White House slnm.us
2:57 PM - 14 Nov 2016

What the hell is going on? I come to this new thread to post about Bernie Sanders stupid tone deaf tweet, and I have to see this too.

You know, instead of wondering when Sean Hannity is going to do the waterboarding demo, how about we take the board and slap him upside the head a few times.

Conservatives for Strict Interpretation of the U.S. Constitution they claim. Go back to Ireland you fucking Nazi. You are an illegal alien to me. You aren’t an American. You are not a Conservative. You are a radical talking asshole!

God damn…this stuff gets me steamed. We have four years of this bull to put up with.

And oh yeah. I saw those tweet comments from Dark_Falcon too in the previous thread. Has he joined the hater site yet? It shouldn’t be long. His ass is exposed. I’m sorry I held to the do not downding policy I had with him.

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Charles Johnson  Nov 14, 2016 • 12:58:33pm
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Sir John Barron  Nov 14, 2016 • 1:01:23pm

re: #60 calochortus

Except that it’s why we won’t back out of NAFTA, and everyone will forget about the promise.

Nobody gives a sh*t about NAFTA. Or “rebuilding the inner cities” or any of the other stuff. Just MAGA.

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calochortus  Nov 14, 2016 • 1:01:47pm

re: #64 Mike Lamb

From the department of redundancy department, Trump supporters are fucking idiots. He stated several times he was going to increase the size of the military if he was elected.

But he was also going to reduce our involvement abroad and make others pay for all our stuff!!!!!!! (See also: Rorschach Test.)

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 14, 2016 • 1:02:23pm
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The Vicious Babushka  Nov 14, 2016 • 1:03:14pm

PUTIN: I OWN YOUR ASS NOW, BITCH!

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Chrysicat  Nov 14, 2016 • 1:04:21pm
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I have to admit, in a way this is a pleasant surprise. He’s less-antisemitic than you’d have expected and it probably means that we’ll still obey our treaty requirements if Putin goes into the Baltics and Poland…

But like John said, it’s just trying to put up an illusion of normality. I’m just shocked that the effing Nuremberg Rallies aren’t giving even the normal Right the idea that this is an actual autocratic, authoritarian fascist…

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ObserverArt  Nov 14, 2016 • 1:04:27pm

re: #42 calochortus

Bolton is not popular with a lot of hard core Trump supporters. They don’t want Bush-era retreads and they don’t want to spend on the military as we’d have to if we were as hawkish as Bolton.

This is one of Trump’s (many) weak points politically. He was that Rorschach ink blot that people projected their dreams onto. Now that he is beginning to actually have to do something, he’s going to anger many. He had a coalition of the dissatisfied, rather than people sharing a specific idea of what to do.

They may not want him, but I bet they take him because TRUMP.

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ObserverArt  Nov 14, 2016 • 1:06:24pm

re: #46 The Vicious Babushka

Rich women will always have the option to take a vacation to the Netherlands.

They won’t need to. I bet they get the “procedure” done by their docs here in the US. It just won’t be labeled an abortion. Maybe they will go with the D&C name.

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BeachDem  Nov 14, 2016 • 1:09:08pm

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Sir John Barron  Nov 14, 2016 • 1:09:21pm

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teleskiguy  Nov 14, 2016 • 1:09:24pm

On the lighter side of things, spotted in Steamboat Springs, CO over the weekend:

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Edge of a dream AKA Cankles Mccellulite  Nov 14, 2016 • 1:09:43pm

Omg. My neighbors are going to party like it’s 1699.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 14, 2016 • 1:10:01pm

re: #30 Jenner7

I need a drink.

This could totally be our national slogan for the next 4 years.

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calochortus  Nov 14, 2016 • 1:10:29pm

re: #75 ObserverArt

They may not want him, but I bet they take him because TRUMP.

Yes, and they’ll try to find someone else to blame, but he hasn’t even taken office yet, and already those little spots are starting to form on his image. They’re tiny now, but when America doesn’t become magically Great Again, those bits of tarnish (or better yet, “pyrite disease”) will grow.

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Sir John Barron  Nov 14, 2016 • 1:11:01pm

re: #78 BeachDem

What exactly do they see as SSSSOROS’s end game in paying all these people?

Never mind, it’s a rhetorical question, simply answered by morons will be morons.

And I still haven’t gotten paid.

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BeachDem  Nov 14, 2016 • 1:11:22pm

re: #76 gocart mozart

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ObserverArt  Nov 14, 2016 • 1:13:28pm

re: #70 Sir John Barron

Nobody gives a sh*t about NAFTA. Or “rebuilding the inner cities” or any of the other stuff. Just MAGA.

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A cheap slogan is all they can comprehend in their little brains. Besides NAFTA is one letter too long. MAGA is only four letters.

Edit: Their! Typing is difficult because I can’t see through the steam coming out of my ears.

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Edge of a dream AKA Cankles Mccellulite  Nov 14, 2016 • 1:14:39pm

re: #86 BeachDem

Wait, a media outlet is going to cover something President Obama is doing? Was Trump on a lunch break or something?

The media: Trump has stayed on message and sounded Presidential for three days in a row!!11!!

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The Vicious Babushka  Nov 14, 2016 • 1:14:58pm

re: #87 ObserverArt

A cheap slogan is all they can comprehend in there little brains. Besides NAFTA is one letter too long. MAGA is only four letters.

They are waiting, waiting for God-Emperor to give the word so they can join the Deportation Force and start the roundup of the brown people.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 14, 2016 • 1:15:45pm

re: #69 Charles Johnson

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HappyWarrior  Nov 14, 2016 • 1:18:09pm

Can someone link me to some of the radical rulings and beliefs by Trump’s Supreme Court picks? My one brother thinks I’m overreacting when I talk about Eisenstadt being in jeopardy. His belief is that the people would never stand for that and maybe he’s right but I think he totally does not know the contempt many conservative jurists have for thigns like the legal right to contraception.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 14, 2016 • 1:19:19pm

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Eventual Carrion  Nov 14, 2016 • 1:19:36pm

re: #18 Timothy Watson

How much money would you need to pay off Lady Gaga?

More than a Florida governor.

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The Vicious Babushka  Nov 14, 2016 • 1:20:38pm

re: #96 HappyWarrior

Goddamn I am so sick of how fucking naively stupid people are. Trump isn’t a goddamn dove.

Trump says whatever shit he thinks will win the cheers of his marks.

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BeachDem  Nov 14, 2016 • 1:21:18pm

re: #91 HappyWarrior

Can someone link me to some of the radical rulings and beliefs by Trump’s Supreme Court picks? My one brother thinks I’m overreacting when I talk about Eisenstadt being in jeopardy. His belief is that the people would never stand for that and maybe he’s right but I think he totally does not know the contempt many conservative jurists have for thigns like the legal right to contraception.

I can’t answer that, but just look at the Republicans on the Judiciary committee and see where it will go. Also, how are “the people” not going to stand for anything when the Republicans control both houses and the presidency? Whoever he picks will be approved within days—they probably don’t even have to hold hearings.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 14, 2016 • 1:21:37pm

re: #89 The Vicious Babushka

I am worried Trump will legitimize the Militas and get them to do his bidding.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 14, 2016 • 1:22:18pm

re: #97 The Vicious Babushka

Trump says whatever shit he thinks will win the cheers of his marks.

Yep, he’ll claim to be anti- Iraq war to shit on HRC and then make an unquestioning supporter of that war his running mate and make one of its architects (if the Bolton rumors are true) his SoS.

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The Vicious Babushka  Nov 14, 2016 • 1:22:23pm

Here are Trump’s SCOTUS picks:

Judge Judy
Judge Napolitano
Judge Jeanine “Ducklips” Pirro

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BeachDem  Nov 14, 2016 • 1:22:37pm

re: #94 HappyWarrior

Yeah if they’re Hispanic and protesting Trump, they must be illegal! Fuck these nativistt shits. Trump’s own wife was an illegal but they don’t care because she was white.

But infowars has evidence that 3 million (or whatever the number) illegals voted! FACT11ty

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scottslemmons  Nov 14, 2016 • 1:22:50pm

re: #99 Eclectic Cyborg

I am worried Trump will legitimize the Militas and get them to do his bidding.

Militias typically vanish entirely when Republicans are in office. We’re not likely to hear a single peep out of the Bundys for at least four years.

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calochortus  Nov 14, 2016 • 1:23:03pm

BBL

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 14, 2016 • 1:23:14pm

re: #101 The Vicious Babushka

Here are Trump’s SCOTUS picks:

Judge Judy
Judge Napolitano
Judge Jeanine “Ducklips” Pirro

What? No Judge Dredd?

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HappyWarrior  Nov 14, 2016 • 1:23:17pm

re: #98 BeachDem

I can’t answer that, but just look at the Republicans on the Judiciary committee and see where it will go. Also, how are “the people” not going to stand for anything when the Republicans control both houses and the presidency? Whoever he picks will be approved within days—they probably don’t even have to hold hearings.

I’m not pushing too hard back since my brother’s literally just a kid. Smart but I think really underestimates what the GOP is really capable of. But thanks.

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ObserverArt  Nov 14, 2016 • 1:23:25pm

re: #96 HappyWarrior

Goddamn I am so sick of how fucking naively stupid people are. Trump isn’t a goddamn dove.

A new law should be made and passed. If you voted for Trump and own any AR or AK style rifle you get to make it into an automatic…and then you get to be sworn into the military and automatically sent to the Middle East to fight ISIS. No restriction on weight, intelligence, athletic ability, etc.

Just think how that will create jobs in this country!

Win Win!

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The Vicious Babushka  Nov 14, 2016 • 1:23:42pm

re: #105 Eclectic Cyborg

What? No Judge Dredd?

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Too liberal.

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scottslemmons  Nov 14, 2016 • 1:23:52pm

re: #105 Eclectic Cyborg

What? No Judge Dredd?

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Judge Dredd actually gave a damn about the law.

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Kragar  Nov 14, 2016 • 1:24:25pm

re: #105 Eclectic Cyborg

Judge Dredd strictly adheres to the law, and would have tossed Trump in a iso-cube long ago

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HappyWarrior  Nov 14, 2016 • 1:24:39pm

re: #101 The Vicious Babushka

Here are Trump’s SCOTUS picks:

Judge Judy
Judge Napolitano
Judge Jeanine “Ducklips” Pirro

No, it’s wores than that VB. He’s got in mind a guy named William Pryor who is both qualified and someone who is an avowed opponent of the Americans With Disability Act, an act spearheaed by Joe Biden no less and actually sgiend into law by H.W Bush. He’s actually going to have qualified picks likely but ones that will be awful.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 14, 2016 • 1:24:57pm

re: #108 The Vicious Babushka

Too liberal.

Thanks, now I have to explain to my coworkers why I was laughing so hard.

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I Would Prefer Not To  Nov 14, 2016 • 1:25:11pm

re: #99 Eclectic Cyborg

I am worried Trump will legitimize the Militas and get them to do his bidding.

HE DOESN’T HAVE TO. All he has to do is look the other way.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 14, 2016 • 1:25:53pm

Judge Reinhold or is he too Hollywood? Mike Judge? Maybe we’ll get some opinions written in the voice of Beavis or Butthead.

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The Vicious Babushka  Nov 14, 2016 • 1:25:57pm

re: #112 HappyWarrior

No, it’s wores than that VB. He’s got in mind a guy named William Pryor who is both qualified and someone who is an avowed opponent of the Americans With Disability Act, an act spearheaed by Joe Biden no less and actually sgiend into law by H.W Bush. He’s actually going to have qualified picks likely but ones that will be awful.

Judy, Napolitano & Ducklips are the only judges he can think of (aside from his own sister Maryanne who has said she wants nothing to do with him). Any other names are fed to him directly from Heritage.

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Sir John Barron  Nov 14, 2016 • 1:25:59pm

re: #92 Charles Johnson

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BeachDem  Nov 14, 2016 • 1:26:05pm

re: #110 Charles Johnson

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OK—I’ll ask it seriously now. What do these miscreants believe is Soros’ endgame in paying demonstrators?

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scottslemmons  Nov 14, 2016 • 1:26:44pm

re: #112 HappyWarrior

No, it’s wores than that VB. He’s got in mind a guy named William Pryor who is both qualified and someone who is an avowed opponent of the Americans With Disability Act, an act spearheaed by Joe Biden no less and actually sgiend into law by H.W Bush. He’s actually going to have qualified picks likely but ones that will be awful.

I’ve never understood what wingnuts have against the Americans with Disabilities Act. On the other hand, I’m not a psychotic nihilist with a penchant for cheering about the misfortunes of others, so I reckon it’s something I’m better off not being able to figure out…

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The Vicious Babushka  Nov 14, 2016 • 1:27:10pm

If they think Soros was a “Kapo” then what the fuck is Jared Kushner?

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HappyWarrior  Nov 14, 2016 • 1:27:48pm

re: #118 The Vicious Babushka

Judy, Napolitano & Ducklips are the only judges he can think of (aside from his own sister Maryanne who has said she wants nothing to do with him). Any other names are fed to him directly from Heritage.

Oh you meant ones that he would consider himself. Yeah then. But yeah Pryor was probably definitely one of the Heritage/NRO fed ones. He’s too ignorant to think about that on his own. In fact, I bet he’s probably never heard of hte Federalist Society.

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BeachDem  Nov 14, 2016 • 1:28:10pm

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Or Republicans. (I continue to believe alt-right vs. right is a distinction without a difference.)

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 14, 2016 • 1:28:15pm

re: #121 scottslemmons

They probably think Liberals are using it as an excuse to be lazy and live off the government.

Remember, these are people who think Mentally ill folks “just need to suck it up” and they’ll be fine.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 14, 2016 • 1:28:18pm

re: #121 scottslemmons

I’ve never understood what wingnuts have against the Americans with Disabilities Act. On the other hand, I’m not a psychotic nihilist with a penchant for cheering about the misfortunes of others, so I reckon it’s something I’m better off not being able to figure out…

I don’t either but like you I’m not a psychotic nihilist with yeah………

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HappyWarrior  Nov 14, 2016 • 1:29:18pm

re: #123 The Vicious Babushka

If they think Soros was a “Kapo” then what the fuck is Jared Kushner?

The guy was 15-16 years old when the war ended.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 14, 2016 • 1:31:12pm

re: #125 BeachDem

#BetterNameForAltRight

Or Republicans. (I continue to believe alt-right vs. right is a distinction without a difference.)

Look, sir, you talk about the High Command and the Luftwaffe, and then you talk about the Gestapo and the SS. To me, they’re the same! We’re fighting the bloody lot! There’s only one way to put it, sir: they are the common enemies of everyone who believes in freedom. If the High Command didn’t approve of Hitler, then why didn’t they throw him out?

Hyperbolic but my point is more so that the alt right and regular Republicans are fine with each other.

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Edge of a dream AKA Cankles Mccellulite  Nov 14, 2016 • 1:32:20pm

re: #118 The Vicious Babushka

Judy, Napolitano & Ducklips are the only judges he can think of (aside from his own sister Maryanne who has said she wants nothing to do with him). Any other names are fed to him directly from Heritage.

And that other judge. The Mexican Indianian.

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ObserverArt  Nov 14, 2016 • 1:32:46pm

Heh. ESPN has an article up that is interesting. What’s the matter Tommy…afraid of a little kickback for your political stance?

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After saying last week on sports radio WEEI’s “Kirk And Callahan Show” that he would discuss who he voted for in the presidential election, Brady reversed course Monday morning.

“I’m not talking politics anymore guys, I’m just not. I’ve got other things to worry about,” he said during his weekly interview coming about 12 hours after Sunday’s 31-24 loss to the Seattle Seahawks. “Just speaking with my family, it’s just a bad idea. So I know I told you I would, and after I told you I would, I changed my mind.”

Brady’s remarks echo what he said last week when reporters had asked him several questions about President-elect Donald Trump, whom he had previously described as a friend.

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Sir John Barron  Nov 14, 2016 • 1:33:10pm

So a Breitbart guy will be in the Oval Office. I wonder how they’ll like being responsible for all the sh*t. Before they could just criticize and whine, even with a Republican in the WH. But now…

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Belafon  Nov 14, 2016 • 1:33:49pm

re: #99 Eclectic Cyborg

I am worried Trump will legitimize the Militas and get them to do his bidding.

We used to call them the KKK.

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Romantic Heretic  Nov 14, 2016 • 1:33:50pm

re: #16 Charles Johnson

I’ve heard it said that American diplomacy consists of showing up with a sandwich in one hand and a pistol in the other, then asking the other country’s diplomats which they prefer.

Bolton will not bother with the sandwich.

A lot of America’s kids will be dying in countries most of their fellow citizens can’t find on a map.

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ObserverArt  Nov 14, 2016 • 1:35:10pm

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Romantic Heretic  Nov 14, 2016 • 1:35:20pm

re: #32 Sir John Barron

So, appeasement, then.

That worked so well the last time.

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Sherlock Hound  Nov 14, 2016 • 1:35:32pm

re: #121 scottslemmons

If you read Lew Rockwell, who inspired the Pauls (Ron and Rand), you’ll get an idea. It is the standard Libertarian opposition to laws that serve a “special minority”.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Nov 14, 2016 • 1:35:36pm

re: #131 ObserverArt

Heh. ESPN has an article up that interesting. What’s the matter Tommy…afraid of a little kickback for your political stance?

Tom Brady says he’s no longer talking politics

I wonder how many of his teammates made it clear that they weren’t cool with supporting racism.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 14, 2016 • 1:36:06pm

re: #131 ObserverArt

Heh. ESPN has an article up that interesting. What’s the matter Tommy…afraid of a little kickback for your political stance?

Tom Brady says he’s no longer talking politics

Sorry BeachDem, I know you’re a big Patriots fan but this sort of validates why I dislike Brady. He’s a little weasel just like his candidate of choice.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 14, 2016 • 1:36:40pm

re: #138 Sherlock Hound

If you read Lew Rockwell, who inspired the Pauls (Ron and Rand), you’ll get an idea. It is the standard Libertarian opposition to laws that serve a “special minority”.

Lew Rockwell is one of the worst.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 14, 2016 • 1:36:52pm

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ObserverArt  Nov 14, 2016 • 1:36:58pm

re: #118 The Vicious Babushka

Judy, Napolitano & Ducklips are the only judges he can think of (aside from his own sister Maryanne who has said she wants nothing to do with him). Any other names are fed to him directly from Heritage.

I’m sure he thinks of the Judge that is “Mexican” from California - Gonzalo P. Curiel.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 14, 2016 • 1:38:23pm

re: #139 klys (maker of Silmarils)

I wonder how many of his teammates made it clear that they weren’t cool with supporting racism.

The guy’s own wife is an immigrant FFS.

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ObserverArt  Nov 14, 2016 • 1:38:27pm

re: #121 scottslemmons

I’ve never understood what wingnuts have against the Americans with Disabilities Act. On the other hand, I’m not a psychotic nihilist with a penchant for cheering about the misfortunes of others, so I reckon it’s something I’m better off not being able to figure out…

It’s easy.

$ $$$,$$$,$$$.$$

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Nov 14, 2016 • 1:40:11pm

re: #145 HappyWarrior

The guy’s own wife is an immigrant FFS.

So’s Trump’s.

Clearly this is not a barrier to anything.

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thedopefishlives  Nov 14, 2016 • 1:40:24pm

re: #121 scottslemmons

I’ve never understood what wingnuts have against the Americans with Disabilities Act. On the other hand, I’m not a psychotic nihilist with a penchant for cheering about the misfortunes of others, so I reckon it’s something I’m better off not being able to figure out…

It’s pretty easy. Wingnuts don’t think that these people should be allowed to live. I’m not trying to be hyperbolic here; wingnuts, by and large, generally believe that healthy people are godly, and that if you have a chronic illness or disability, you must be a sinner. Therefore, why cater to sinners, who are doomed to hell anyway? Kill ‘em all and let God sort ‘em out.

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ObserverArt  Nov 14, 2016 • 1:40:55pm

re: #126 Eclectic Cyborg

They probably think Liberals are using it as an excuse to be lazy and live off the government.

Remember, these are people who think Mentally ill folks “just need to suck it up” and they’ll be fine.

No, they think they should be taken care of by their families like the old days. You know when we had “institutions” that warehoused them in deplorable conditions. That’s where a lot of families took care of them.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 14, 2016 • 1:41:22pm

re: #148 klys (maker of Silmarils)

So’s Trump’s.

Clearly this is not a barrier to anything.

True. I do wonder if his teammates let him have it too.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 14, 2016 • 1:41:32pm

re: #147 Charles Johnson

Maybe it’s the same guy using 100 sock puppets??

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Sherlock Hound  Nov 14, 2016 • 1:42:05pm

re: #146 ObserverArt

It’s easy.

$ $$$,$$$,$$$.$$

In the short term.

In the long term, the ADA provides good will that Is immeasurable, and that also results in much profit, but never mind that. We are “special interests”.

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Mike Lamb  Nov 14, 2016 • 1:42:10pm

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Fuckety fucky fuck.

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Edge of a dream AKA Cankles Mccellulite  Nov 14, 2016 • 1:42:17pm

re: #145 HappyWarrior

The guy’s own wife is an immigrant FFS.

Yes. She is also a super model and from what I can tell, mostly or all white.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 14, 2016 • 1:42:19pm

re: #153 klys (maker of Silmarils)

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scottslemmons  Nov 14, 2016 • 1:42:45pm

re: #138 Sherlock Hound

If you read Lew Rockwell, who inspired the Pauls (Ron and Rand), you’ll get an idea. It is the standard Libertarian opposition to laws that serve a “special minority”.

And that’s part of what makes me crazy about it. If you’re a proper business-loving Libertarian, having a building that some customers can’t get into means you’re losing their business.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 14, 2016 • 1:42:46pm

re: #157 Edge of a dream AKA Cankles Mccellulite

Yes. She is also a super model and from what I can tell, mostly or all white.

Well he’s got that in common with Donnie.

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Belafon  Nov 14, 2016 • 1:43:43pm

re: #139 klys (maker of Silmarils)

I wonder how many of his teammates made it clear that they weren’t cool with supporting racism.

I believe it was his wife.

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Sherlock Hound  Nov 14, 2016 • 1:43:57pm

re: #159 scottslemmons

And that’s part of what makes me crazy about it. If you’re a proper business-loving Libertarian, having a building that some customers can’t get into means you’re losing their business.

But the Right Of Free Association!

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HappyWarrior  Nov 14, 2016 • 1:44:01pm

re: #159 scottslemmons

And that’s part of what makes me crazy about it. If you’re a proper business-loving Libertarian, having a building that some customers can’t get into means you’re losing their business.

Well it’s the same thing with being a business that admits it won’t sell to people of a certain group but to Rockwell and Paul and sons, that’s FREEDOM. There’s always been a hint of authoritarianism in their ideology and it’s especially there the way Paul and son have no regard at all for federal civil rights protections.

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BeachDem  Nov 14, 2016 • 1:44:02pm

re: #140 HappyWarrior

Sorry BeachDem, I know you’re a big Patriots fan but this sort of validates why I dislike Brady. He’s a little weasel just like his candidate of choice.

I mentioned last night that Trump even ruined football for me. Didn’t even stay for the end of the game—switched to John Oliver.

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Mike Lamb  Nov 14, 2016 • 1:45:06pm

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 14, 2016 • 1:45:33pm

I bet Trump thinks he gets to keep all the gifts he’ll be getting as POTUS.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 14, 2016 • 1:45:38pm

re: #164 BeachDem

I mentioned last night that Trump even ruined football for me. Didn’t even stay for the end of the game—switched to John Oliver.

I really am sorry. Sports is supposed to be our distraction from all this. That’s why I didn’t like the political ramifications of the WS being discussed. I was rooting for both the Indians and Cubs in a way- Indians since I played with one of their guys and my soft spot for Cleveland and the Cubs because of history. Glad we got comedians like Oliver though. The Obama-Biden stuff is killing me.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 14, 2016 • 1:46:12pm

re: #166 Backwoods_Sleuth

I bet Trump thinks he gets to keep all the gifts he’ll be getting as POTUS.

Knowing him, he’ll probably ship them off to his mansion with his bigoted butler.

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Sherlock Hound  Nov 14, 2016 • 1:46:27pm

re: #149 thedopefishlives

It’s pretty easy. Wingnuts don’t think that these people should be allowed to live. I’m not trying to be hyperbolic here; wingnuts, by and large, generally believe that healthy people are godly, and that if you have a chronic illness or disability, you must be a sinner. Therefore, why cater to sinners, who are doomed to hell anyway? Kill ‘em all and let God sort ‘em out.

The Just World Fallacy. You get the life you deserve. During the elder Bush’s administration, a staffer of theirs actually said it out loud.

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wrenchwench  Nov 14, 2016 • 1:46:55pm

re: #166 Backwoods_Sleuth

I bet Trump thinks he gets to keep all the gifts he’ll be getting as POTUS.

In the Spy, I read that as ‘all the grifts he’ll be getting’. Works.

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Sir John Barron  Nov 14, 2016 • 1:47:40pm

re: #137 Charles Johnson

The protests seem to be really bothering the deplorables. The protesters should definitely stop protesting then.

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BeachDem  Nov 14, 2016 • 1:47:53pm

re: #168 HappyWarrior

Knowing him, he’ll probably ship them off to his mansion with his bigoted butler.

Naw—he’ll “donate” them to his “foundation” and then have the “foundation” gift them to him in return for rounds of golf.

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goddamnedfrank  Nov 14, 2016 • 1:48:15pm

re: #147 Charles Johnson

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How much money do these asshole think George Soros has? I mean yeah he’s rich but they talk like he can literally print money. Soros has just become a code word for “vast Jewish conspiracy.”

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Chrysicat  Nov 14, 2016 • 1:49:01pm

<ere: #107 ObserverArt

A new law should be made and passed. If you voted for Trump and own any AR or AK style rifle you get to make it into an automatic…and then you get to be sworn into the military and automatically sent to the Middle East to fight ISIS. No restriction on weight, intelligence, athletic ability, etc.

Just think how that will create jobs in this country!

Win Win!

m>re: #107 ObserverArt

Well, hey, y’know they’ll be able to have real M16s and M4 Carbines by July, right? I mean, they’re apparently obsessed with removing even the FFA…

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Sir John Barron  Nov 14, 2016 • 1:49:02pm

re: #165 Mike Lamb

Amazing how these buses go undetected.

They bussed in all of them to vote illegally and now are bussing them all over the country to protest.

But again, why do the deplorables care about the protests? Trump will be inaugurated. The protesters will get tired and go back to their lives and the deplorables can go about…whatever it is they do.

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Lidane  Nov 14, 2016 • 1:49:29pm

I am being much more open about my displeasure at this election.

My FB friend who voted Trump still operates under the delusions that he is not a bigot and that he wants to unite the country. She posted about him calling gay marriage settled law and said she hoped it was enough to ease LGBT minds. I shot back that it was meaningless drivel, since what he says doesn’t matter. It’s the judges he appoints who will make that case, because if he appoints some batshit lunatics who fall for a particular argument in Court, then it will be over.

She also bleated about the “death tax” ending and I pointed out that most Americans will never pay it anyway or be affected by it because these days, you need a minimum of $5.5 million in total assets before it kicks in.

I’m done catering to the Trump voters in my life. I’ll be polite, but firm and push back against their stupidity.

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ObserverArt  Nov 14, 2016 • 1:49:33pm

re: #155 Sherlock Hound

In the short term.

In the long term, the ADA provides good will that Is immeasurable, and that also results in much profit, but never mind that. We are “special interests”.

If I remember correctly, I think Trump bitched about the costs when the ADA came out and tried to get around some of the laws in his developments.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 14, 2016 • 1:49:39pm

telegraph.co.uk
I could read these literally all day. They just make me smile and a little sad since these guys really worked so well together and you could tell it was a genuine friendship they built. Joe Biden will always be America’s awesome uncle. Not looking forward to Uncle Mike who won’t even let us watch G movies because he thinks women being heroic is encouraging bad behavior.

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Romantic Heretic  Nov 14, 2016 • 1:50:10pm

re: #105 Eclectic Cyborg

What? No Judge Dredd?

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I could live with Judge Dredd. He might be a hard ass but he never disrespects the law.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 14, 2016 • 1:50:10pm

re: #173 goddamnedfrank

How much money do these asshole think George Soros has? I mean yeah he’s rich but they talk like he’s can literally print money. Soros has just become a code word for “vast Jewish conspiracy.”

The Soros hate has always been Antisemitic in root. Ditto Saul Alinsky.

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Edge of a dream AKA Cankles Mccellulite  Nov 14, 2016 • 1:51:21pm

I for one have been hoping for this “vast Jewish conspiracy” for years. We at least would have a happier and well run world.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 14, 2016 • 1:52:28pm

re: #181 Edge of a dream AKA Cankles Mccellulite

I for one have been hoping for this “vast Jewish conspiracy” for years. We at least would have a happier and well run world.

What’s old is new again. I did see downstairs after I left the gym that there’s going to be a Muslim-Jewish group working together. That’s great. I’m neither but I wish them the best in that effort.

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William Lewis  Nov 14, 2016 • 1:55:14pm

re: #169 Sherlock Hound

The Just World Fallacy. You get the life you deserve. During the elder Bush’s administration, a staffer of theirs actually said it out loud.

Never mind that Christ explicitly rejects that in John 9:1-12 in the story of the man born blind.

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Romantic Heretic  Nov 14, 2016 • 1:55:14pm

re: #121 scottslemmons

I’ve never understood what wingnuts have against the Americans with Disabilities Act. On the other hand, I’m not a psychotic nihilist with a penchant for cheering about the misfortunes of others, so I reckon it’s something I’m better off not being able to figure out…

It’s simple.

Freedom means, to them, that everything is a choice. People who are disabled are disabled because they chose to be. They made a bad choice.

Helping people who made bad choices is wrong.

See? Very simple. Insane and cruel but simple.

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Nyet  Nov 14, 2016 • 1:55:28pm

Anybody here have access to the old World Almanacs from the 1940s?

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Archangelus  Nov 14, 2016 • 1:55:39pm

re: #45 The Vicious Babushka

Dead people in back alleys.

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Sherlock Hound  Nov 14, 2016 • 1:55:43pm

re: #177 ObserverArt

If I remember correctly, I think Trump bitched about the costs when the ADA came out and tried to get around some of the laws in his developments.

And he got sued more than once.

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Mike Lamb  Nov 14, 2016 • 1:56:45pm

re: #176 Lidane

I am being much more open about my displeasure at this election.

My FB friend who voted Trump still operates under the delusions that he is not a bigot and that he wants to unite the country. She posted about him calling gay marriage settled law and said she hoped it was enough to ease LGBT minds. I shot back that it was meaningless drivel, since what he says doesn’t matter. It’s the judges he appoints who will make that case, because if he appoints some batshit lunatics who fall for a particular argument in Court, then it will be over.

She also bleated about the “death tax” ending and I pointed out that most Americans will never pay it anyway or be affected by it because these days, you need a minimum of $5.5 million in total assets before it kicks in.

I’m done catering to the Trump voters in my life. I’ll be polite, but firm and push back against their stupidity.

The idea that Trump would find justices that would be willing to reverse Roe v. Wade, but somehow Griswold or Obergfell is a bridge too far is insane.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 14, 2016 • 1:57:05pm

re: #177 ObserverArt

If I remember correctly, I think Trump bitched about the costs when the ADA came out and tried to get around some of the laws in his developments.

Then claimed he was a champion of the disabled because he followed the law’s guidelines.

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BeachDem  Nov 14, 2016 • 1:57:41pm

re: #176 Lidane

Good for you!

BTW—if you haven’t watched the John Oliver video yet, he lists a lot of the groups that need support, which we were talking about yesterday.

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We're Way Beyond Snark  Nov 14, 2016 • 1:58:38pm

re: #164 BeachDem

I mentioned last night that Trump even ruined football for me. Didn’t even stay for the end of the game—switched to John Oliver.

Have you tried dystopian computer games?

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BeachDem  Nov 14, 2016 • 1:58:58pm

re: #177 ObserverArt

If I remember correctly, I think Trump bitched about the costs when the ADA came out and tried to get around some of the laws in his developments.

Worse, he presented his eventual compliance with ADA regs as an act of charitable concern, showing how much he cared. Spit.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 14, 2016 • 1:59:39pm

re: #188 Mike Lamb

The idea that Trump would find justices that would be willing to reverse Roe v. Wade, but somehow Griswold or Obergfell is a bridge too far is insane.

That’s what I’m trying to tell my brother. He just thinks the people would be furious if that happened. Honestly, he’s got a lot of things going in his head that frustrated me with Senator Sanders. Of course, he’s also 60 years younger so I cut some slack there but yeah if Trump finds judges that are willing to reverse Roe, why wouldn’t they be open to reverseing Griswold, Obergfell, or Eisenstadt. I brought Engle v Vitale with him too given his staunch secularism and he thinks there would be no way that would be overturned because he doesn’t see a way a conservative Supreme Court justice would find to reverse it. God, he’s a smart kid but I think he underestimates how right wingers work.

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Romantic Heretic  Nov 14, 2016 • 2:00:19pm

re: #125 BeachDem

I wish we’d go with Jefferson.

Men by their constitutions are naturally divided into two parties: 1. Those who fear and distrust the people, and wish to draw all powers from them into the hands of the higher classes. 2. Those who identify themselves with the people, have confidence in them, cherish and consider them as the most honest and safe, although not the most wise depositary of the public interests. In every country these two parties exist, and in every one where they are free to think, speak, and write, they will declare themselves. Call them, therefore, liberals and serviles, Jacobins and Ultras, whigs and tories, republicans and federalists, aristocrats and democrats, or by whatever name you please, they are the same parties still and pursue the same object. The last appellation of aristocrats and democrats is the true one expressing the essence of all.

I also add ‘barbarians’ to the mix. As defined by H. Beam Piper these are people who, “don’t understand civilization and wouldn’t like it if they did.”

The GOP has consisted of little but aristocrats and barbarians for decades now.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 14, 2016 • 2:00:27pm

re: #192 BeachDem

Worse, he presented his eventual compliance with ADA regs as an act of charitable concern, showing how much he cared. Spit.

I still remember him bragging about his accomplishments as a response to Mr. and Mrs. Khan.

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Jebediah, RBG  Nov 14, 2016 • 2:00:54pm

re: #186 Archangelus

I think you are right. Many of these people have been going on for years now about “second amendment solutions.” If they get to that despairing point, some of them will pick up a gun and go after whoever let them down.
Unfortunately, with so many guns about, and so many states with open carry laws, many of these incidents will not be preventable. And there is a very good chance for lots of innocent bystander injuries/deaths.
god damn it.

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Lidane  Nov 14, 2016 • 2:01:11pm

re: #190 BeachDem

Good for you!

BTW—if you haven’t watched the John Oliver video yet, he lists a lot of the groups that need support, which we were talking about yesterday.

I started watching it this morning, but I’m pretty much at my data limit on my phone. I need to finish watching it. I’ll watch it in full tonight.I’m glad he mentions groups to donate to. That’ll definitely help so I know where to effectively target my money.

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BeachDem  Nov 14, 2016 • 2:01:45pm

re: #180 HappyWarrior

The Soros hate has always been Antisemitic in root. Ditto Saul Alinsky.

No, haven’t you heard? It’s just a “firebrand” reaction to Soros and Alinsky.
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 14, 2016 • 2:01:51pm

O_o

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BlueSpotinAL  Nov 14, 2016 • 2:02:40pm

re: #185 Nyet
According to my library catalog,
1942-1945
1947-1950

AY67.N5 W7 World almanac and book of facts. (Retired).

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Jenner7  Nov 14, 2016 • 2:05:38pm
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Sir John Barron  Nov 14, 2016 • 2:05:48pm

re: #199 Backwoods_Sleuth

O_o

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Family values.

What regulations are supposedly blocking such great family entertainment from your state?

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Barefoot Grin  Nov 14, 2016 • 2:06:14pm

Loved the press conference: “Mr. Trump really had a connection with his people and was impervious to things that would have sunk any other campaign” (anyone want to translate?).

And when asked about Tump’s temperament, the President opined that there aspects that ‘would not serve the president-elect well’ but that the office had a way of bringing focus…and…and (you could see he was struggling to find a way to make it somewhat positive).

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Thanos  Nov 14, 2016 • 2:06:18pm

It’s Bolton, CNN just tweeted.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 14, 2016 • 2:06:21pm

re: #201 Jenner7

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Yep. Wise words.

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Lidane  Nov 14, 2016 • 2:06:28pm

This asshole and his mustache again:

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HappyWarrior  Nov 14, 2016 • 2:06:56pm

re: #204 Thanos

It’s Bolton, CNN just tweeted.

Lovely. At least Bush gave us Powell.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 14, 2016 • 2:07:16pm

re: #206 Lidane

This asshole and his mustache again:

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I believe the proper term is Cheese-dick.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Nov 14, 2016 • 2:07:23pm

I keep sitting back and watching the responses to what happened and it’s been …interesting.

My biggest issue with deciding that oh, the Democratic Party needs to focus on its outreach to the white working class and it’s fine because these economic issues are the same for all of the working class is that it takes the votes of minorities for granted. Minorities that have been saying, vocally, no, it’s not just economics. And to their credit, the Democratic Party has been listening and acting on that, which is why minorities have been among the party’s staunchest supporters.

But Clinton lost and all of a sudden the most important thing is to win back those 150,000 white voters in the rust belt and so we should ignore these issues that matter to minorities because it might be turning off those white voters? Look at the underlying message to minorities: yeah, your issues are less important but we know you’re still going to vote for us because what else are you going to do, vote for the GOP? I don’t support that. I won’t support that.

Racism isn’t limited to the south. Or to the folks who lean Republican. And one of the ways it manifests is in the dismissal of minority concerns because white concerns are more important. Is it important for Democrats to win? Yes. But I don’t buy that to win, we have to stop talking about racism, sexism and bigotry. You want to make sure economics is there too, fine. But at some point, you need to confront the fact that some voters who might otherwise lean Democratic are more motivated by racism than they are by economics, and catering to them isn’t going to build the party up.

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Barefoot Grin  Nov 14, 2016 • 2:07:34pm

re: #204 Thanos

It’s Bolton, CNN just tweeted.

I knew something was up. I wrote this morning about how Fox was playing up Iran while everyone else was on Bannon. We’re fucked.

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Lidane  Nov 14, 2016 • 2:08:00pm

re: #204 Thanos

The first Trump voter who tries to babble at me about Trump being anti-war gets ruthlessly mocked. Naming Bolton is about as pro-war as it gets.

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Sir John Barron  Nov 14, 2016 • 2:08:06pm

re: #206 Lidane

This asshole and his mustache again:

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Newt: What the hell was I was doing on TV all the time defending your lame-ass? FU.

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teleskiguy  Nov 14, 2016 • 2:08:08pm

John Bolton, Secretary of State. Fuck me.

A lot of people are going to die.

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BeachDem  Nov 14, 2016 • 2:08:29pm

re: #197 Lidane

I started watching it this morning, but I’m pretty much at my data limit on my phone. I need to finish watching it. I’ll watch it in full tonight.I’m glad he mentions groups to donate to. That’ll definitely help so I know where to effectively target my money.

Here’s the list—

Planned Parenthood
Center for Reproductive Rights
Natural Resources Defense Council
International Refugee Assistance Project
NAACP Legal Defense Fund
The Trevor Project
Mexican American Legal Defense and Educational Fund

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William Lewis  Nov 14, 2016 • 2:08:57pm

re: #210 Barefoot Grin

I knew something was up. I wrote this morning about how Fox was playing up Iran while everyone else was on Bannon. We’re fucked.

Putin wants us to fight/embargo Iran and it’s oil that is depressing the price of Russian oil. That plus gutting NATO is the biggest victory for Russia since Berlin.

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Edge of a dream AKA Cankles Mccellulite  Nov 14, 2016 • 2:09:39pm

We all must remember, Trump did not win in spite of his horrible rhetoric but because of it.

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Barefoot Grin  Nov 14, 2016 • 2:10:28pm

re: #215 William Lewis

Putin wants us to fight/embargo Iran and it’s oil that is depressing the price of Russian oil. That plus gutting NATO is the biggest victory for Russia since Berlin.

Crap. This is so depressing.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 14, 2016 • 2:10:35pm

re: #202 Sir John Barron

Family values.

What regulations are supposedly blocking such great family entertainment from your state?

The Kentucky Public Protection Cabinet announced in a press release Monday that several “unnecessary” boxing and wrestling regulations had been “knocked out” as part of the governor’s Red Tape Reduction Initiative to make the state more business friendly. The changes were made by the Kentucky Boxing and Wrestling Commission, which Bevin created in May via an executive order that also abolished the former Kentucky Boxing and Wrestling Authority.

As IL reported last year, the now-abolished agency regulating pro wrestling was criticized by general managers of the KFC Yum! Center and Rupp Arena for resisting efforts to do away with the so-called “cut rule,” in which a match would have to be stopped if one of the wrestlers started to bleed. Though WWE has held smaller “house shows” in Kentucky over the past five years, these arena managers say WWE stopped holding their much larger nationally televised and pay-per-view live events due to this regulation in particular, even though non-choreographed sports such as boxing and mixed martial arts were exempt from such a rule.

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Romantic Heretic  Nov 14, 2016 • 2:10:42pm

re: #169 Sherlock Hound

The Just World Fallacy. You get the life you deserve. During the elder Bush’s administration, a staffer of theirs actually said it out loud.

I hate to say it for it shows I can be just as cruel as the wingnuts, but when I hear people talk like that I imagine putting soft-nosed .22s into their elbows and knees while shouting “Welcome to the world of the disabled, dirtbag! Enjoy your stay.”

It’s one of the reasons I live an isolated life. I’m scared one day I’ll act on impulse before my good sense can stifle it.

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makeitstop  Nov 14, 2016 • 2:10:46pm

re: #132 Sir John Barron

So a Breitbart guy will be in the Oval Office. I wonder how they’ll like being responsible for all the sh*t. Before they could just criticize and whine, even with a Republican in the WH. But now…

And you gotta wonder how much he wants to tear down the entire establishment, now that he’s in it.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 14, 2016 • 2:11:06pm

re: #209 klys (maker of Silmarils)

I keep sitting back and watching the responses to what happened and it’s been …interesting.

My biggest issue with deciding that oh, the Democratic Party needs to focus on its outreach to the white working class and it’s fine because these economic issues are the same for all of the working class is that it takes the votes of minorities for granted. Minorities that have been saying, vocally, no, it’s not just economics. And to their credit, the Democratic Party has been listening and acting on that, which is why minorities have been among the party’s staunchest supporters.

But Clinton lost and all of a sudden the most important thing is to win back those 150,000 white voters in the rust belt and so we should ignore these issues that matter to minorities because it might be turning off those white voters? Look at the underlying message to minorities: yeah, your issues are less important but we know you’re still going to vote for us because what else are you going to do, vote for the GOP? I don’t support that. I won’t support that.

Racism isn’t limited to the south. Or to the folks who lean Republican. And one of the ways it manifests is in the dismissal of minority concerns because white concerns are more important. Is it important for Democrats to win? Yes. But I don’t buy that to win, we have to stop talking about racism, sexism and bigotry. You want to make sure economics is there too, fine. But at some point, you need to confront the fact that some voters who might otherwise lean Democratic are more motivated by racism than they are by economics, and catering to them isn’t going to build the party up.

I agree with you and as I’ve said, I got as much ties if not more to the working class than Bernie Sanders those. It’s why I took big issue with the BBs and Sanders himself proposing to do away with closed primaries. Minority voters as you get at have been our party’s strongest supporters. Not only are their issues important but we owe to them for their loyalty in good times (Obama’s election) and bad (last week) to listen to them. And it really isn’t economics despite what people say. Clinton actually won voters who make less than 75 K and Trump did well with voters who say their lives have improved the past five years.

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Sir John Barron  Nov 14, 2016 • 2:11:21pm

re: #211 Lidane

The first Trump voter who tries to babble at me about Trump being anti-war gets ruthlessly mocked. Naming Bolton is about as pro-war as it gets.

Before Nov 8: Trump will keep us out of war!

After Jan 20: War is great! MAGA!

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HappyWarrior  Nov 14, 2016 • 2:11:58pm

re: #222 Sir John Barron

Before Nov 8: Trump will keep us out of war!

After Jan 20: War is great! MAGA!

We have always been at war with Eastasia.

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Sir John Barron  Nov 14, 2016 • 2:12:21pm

re: #218 Backwoods_Sleuth

Make America Bleed Again

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HappyWarrior  Nov 14, 2016 • 2:13:32pm

re: #214 BeachDem

Here’s the list—

Planned Parenthood
Center for Reproductive Rights
Natural Resources Defense Council
International Refugee Assistance Project
NAACP Legal Defense Fund
The Trevor Project
Mexican American Legal Defense and Educational Fund

Only so much I can donate to at the moment but once I get a steady salary, I will find one or two that I can help. I’m also hoping if I have time next fall and the following to work on the gubernatorial and senate election here. I really didn’t do as much for this campaign as I would have liked since I was looking for work. Now that I may have that, I can do this.

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thedopefishlives  Nov 14, 2016 • 2:13:52pm

re: #216 Edge of a dream AKA Cankles Mccellulite

We all must remember, Trump did not win in spite of his horrible rhetoric but because of it.

I’m going to argue that. There are a lot, and I mean a lot, of people who held their noses and voted for Trump for a variety of reasons, none of which had anything to do with the actual words coming out of his mouth.

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Sherlock Hound  Nov 14, 2016 • 2:14:04pm

re: #219 Romantic Heretic

The disabled are a minority group that anyone can join. Problem Is, when conservatives join the disabled, they are often no less selfish than before.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 14, 2016 • 2:14:52pm

re: #227 Sherlock Hound

The disabled are a minority group that anyone can join. Problem Is, when conservatives join the disabled, they are often no less selfish than before.

When conservatives join the disabled ranks, they often see their benefits as being good for them but everyone else who takes them as being moochers.

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Belafon  Nov 14, 2016 • 2:15:21pm

re: #227 Sherlock Hound

The disabled are a minority group that anyone can join. Problem Is, when conservatives join the disabled, they are often no less selfish than before.

See Abbott, Greg.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 14, 2016 • 2:15:30pm
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teleskiguy  Nov 14, 2016 • 2:15:42pm

Ground troops in Iraq and Syria. Embargo and invasion of Iran. On the table.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 14, 2016 • 2:16:13pm

re: #229 Belafon

See Abbott, Greg.

A normal person would have Abbott’s disability and be empathetic. An asshole like Abbott who cares more about being popular on TCOT than actually helping out people OTOH….

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Amory Blaine  Nov 14, 2016 • 2:16:38pm

re: #83 Eclectic Cyborg

This could totally be our national slogan for the next 4 years.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 14, 2016 • 2:16:43pm

re: #231 teleskiguy

Ground troops in Iraq and Syria. Embargo and invasion of Iran. On the table.

Fuck I’m glad I’m too old for this but i obviously worry about the kids.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 14, 2016 • 2:17:00pm

re: #233 Amory Blaine

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Lidane  Nov 14, 2016 • 2:17:54pm

re: #230 Backwoods_Sleuth

Republican supermajority in the Legislature. No Democrats in any statewide offices here in Texas.

That idiocy is as good as passed. It will be up to groups like the ACLU and Lambda Legal to get it overturned.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 14, 2016 • 2:18:00pm

re: #230 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Yet another cog in the bullshit idea that conservatives think local knows best. I was telling my Dad and youngest brother about how this happened in the Bush years too when Oregon tried to create its own law on physician aided suicide.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Nov 14, 2016 • 2:18:20pm

re: #226 thedopefishlives

I’m going to argue that. There are a lot, and I mean a lot, of people who held their noses and voted for Trump for a variety of reasons, none of which had anything to do with the actual words coming out of his mouth.

To some extent, that’s nice.

They don’t get to say “Oh but I didn’t mean to support that” when confronted with his shit if their actions were to in fact give their approval for it by voting for him. The whole package was there. It was clearly visible. It wasn’t hidden. There is no pass for this.

I saw, this week, someone complaining at Trump voters being called all these nasty names because she wasn’t any of those things and it was disrupting her peace of mind. My peace of mind has been gone since Tuesday night, where I realized that why yes, a large chunk of our country was in fact okay with sexually assaulting women, harassing minorities, stereotyping, and throwing people off their health insurance. Like, potentially, my sister. But why should there be consequences, right?

I get that you’re in a hard place because a lot of these folks are folks you know who are probably otherwise good people but that only goes so far. A lot of Germans were good people too.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 14, 2016 • 2:18:27pm

re: #236 Lidane

Republican supermajority in the Legislature. No Democrats in any statewide offices here in Texas.

That idiocy is as good as passed. It will be up to groups like the ACLU and Lambda Legal to get it overturned.

See point about Abbott not caring about what anyone but TCOT thinks.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 14, 2016 • 2:19:32pm

re: #238 klys (maker of Silmarils)

To some extent, that’s nice.

They don’t get to say “Oh but I didn’t mean to support that” when confronted with his shit if their actions were to in fact give their approval for it by voting for him. The whole package was there. It was clearly visible. It wasn’t hidden. There is no pass for this.

I saw, this week, someone complaining at Trump voters being called all these nasty names because she wasn’t any of those things and it was disrupting her peace of mind. My peace of mind has been gone since Tuesday night, where I realized that why yes, a large chunk of our country was in fact okay with sexually assaulting women, harassing minorities, stereotyping, and throwing people off their health insurance. Like, potentially, my sister. But why should there be consequences, right?

I get that you’re in a hard place because a lot of these folks are folks you know who are probably otherwise good people but that only goes so far. A lot of Germans were good people too.

The road to hell is paved with indifference. I don’t care if you’re pesronally pro-choice, pro LGBT, believe in global warming, you chose to vote for someone hostile to all those.

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BeachDem  Nov 14, 2016 • 2:20:09pm

re: #209 klys (maker of Silmarils)

I keep sitting back and watching the responses to what happened and it’s been …interesting.

My biggest issue with deciding that oh, the Democratic Party needs to focus on its outreach to the white working class and it’s fine because these economic issues are the same for all of the working class is that it takes the votes of minorities for granted. Minorities that have been saying, vocally, no, it’s not just economics. And to their credit, the Democratic Party has been listening and acting on that, which is why minorities have been among the party’s staunchest supporters.

But Clinton lost and all of a sudden the most important thing is to win back those 150,000 white voters in the rust belt and so we should ignore these issues that matter to minorities because it might be turning off those white voters? Look at the underlying message to minorities: yeah, your issues are less important but we know you’re still going to vote for us because what else are you going to do, vote for the GOP? I don’t support that. I won’t support that.

Racism isn’t limited to the south. Or to the folks who lean Republican. And one of the ways it manifests is in the dismissal of minority concerns because white concerns are more important. Is it important for Democrats to win? Yes. But I don’t buy that to win, we have to stop talking about racism, sexism and bigotry. You want to make sure economics is there too, fine. But at some point, you need to confront the fact that some voters who might otherwise lean Democratic are more motivated by racism than they are by economics, and catering to them isn’t going to build the party up.

Brava! Where did this new “Democrats didn’t talk about economic issues” crap come from, anyway? (other than 24/7 from BoB folks and Bernie himself, but I digress.)

I guess because we didn’t lie straight to their faces—telling them industries that have been dead for 25-30 years are going to come roaring back with high-paying jobs and unicorns.

I’m of the “go home from the dance with the one who brought you” camp—don’t abandon the people who believe in your values and support you to woo the ones who don’t.

I don’t know the answer—but in my mind it sure isn’t jumping on the populist Trump train to soothe the feeling of “white working class” people at the expense of everyone else.

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wrenchwench  Nov 14, 2016 • 2:20:55pm

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The disabled are a minority group that anyone can everyone will at some point join. Problem Is, when conservatives join the disabled, they are often no less selfish than before.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Nov 14, 2016 • 2:21:14pm

re: #242 BeachDem

Brava! Where did this new “Democrats didn’t talk about economic issues” crap come from, anyway? (other than 24/7 from BoB folks and Bernie himself, but I digress.)

I guess because we didn’t lie straight to their faces—telling them industries that have been dead for 25-30 years are going to come roaring back with high-paying jobs and unicorns.

I’m of the “go home from the dance with the one who brought you” camp—don’t abandon the people who believe in your values and support you to woo the ones who don’t.

I don’t know the answer—but in my mind it sure isn’t jumping on the populist Trump train to soothe the feeling of “white working class” people at the expense of everyone else.

I figure it is my responsibility as a white woman to use my soapbox for something.

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Lidane  Nov 14, 2016 • 2:21:33pm

re: #239 HappyWarrior

See point about Abbott not caring about what anyone but TCOT thinks.

It’s shit like that which makes me totally unsympathetic to the Bernie Bros bleating about ZOMG TEH WHITE WORKING CLASS and about pushing hard to the left because “principles”.

Bernie lost the Texas Democratic primary by a 2-to-1 margin. Candidates that sound like him won’t win here either. But we NEED more Democrats in office in this state because this Republican stranglehold is getting seriously horrible.

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Sir John Barron  Nov 14, 2016 • 2:21:53pm

I wonder if John Mustache will have to release his tax returns for SoS confirmation?

I also assume that Bolton’s been vetted by people in Trump’s employ already?

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HappyWarrior  Nov 14, 2016 • 2:22:37pm

re: #242 BeachDem

Brava! Where did this new “Democrats didn’t talk about economic issues” crap come from, anyway? (other than 24/7 from BoB folks and Bernie himself, but I digress.)

I guess because we didn’t lie straight to their faces—telling them industries that have been dead for 25-30 years are going to come roaring back with high-paying jobs and unicorns.

I’m of the “go home from the dance with the one who brought you” camp—don’t abandon the people who believe in your values and support you to woo the ones who don’t.

I don’t know the answer—but in my mind it sure isn’t jumping on the populist Trump train to soothe the feeling of “white working class” people at the expense of everyone else.

I don’t get it either. But you’re right, it’s because we don’t lie to them about industry. The BB wing of the party wants us to lie to working class voters about that. I have no desire to lie to them about that. I want to tell them, I feel bad that you lost your job but economies transition all the time. Let’s rebuild your area with some new businesses that not only will get you working again but also protect the environment. Bernie’s an ass. I appreciated that he campaigned for Clinton but he showed why I don’t think highly of him immediately after. He’s very self serving and nowhere near the noble knight his delusional fans think he is.

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wrenchwench  Nov 14, 2016 • 2:22:54pm

re: #247 Sir John Barron

I wonder if John Mustache will have to release his tax returns for SoS confirmation?

I also assume that Bolton’s been vetted by people in Trump’s employ already?

Now there is a candidate for the extreme vetting. The extremest!

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HappyWarrior  Nov 14, 2016 • 2:22:58pm

re: #245 klys (maker of Silmarils)

I figure it is my responsibility as a white woman to use my soapbox for something.

Please continue to. You’re good.

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Sir John Barron  Nov 14, 2016 • 2:23:33pm

re: #249 wrenchwench

Now there is a candidate for the extreme vetting. The extremest!

I also want detailed reports about Bolton’s email practices.

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thedopefishlives  Nov 14, 2016 • 2:24:59pm

re: #238 klys (maker of Silmarils)

To some extent, that’s nice.

They don’t get to say “Oh but I didn’t mean to support that” when confronted with his shit if their actions were to in fact give their approval for it by voting for him. The whole package was there. It was clearly visible. It wasn’t hidden. There is no pass for this.

I saw, this week, someone complaining at Trump voters being called all these nasty names because she wasn’t any of those things and it was disrupting her peace of mind. My peace of mind has been gone since Tuesday night, where I realized that why yes, a large chunk of our country was in fact okay with sexually assaulting women, harassing minorities, stereotyping, and throwing people off their health insurance. Like, potentially, my sister. But why should there be consequences, right?

I get that you’re in a hard place because a lot of these folks are folks you know who are probably otherwise good people but that only goes so far. A lot of Germans were good people too.

I am not trying to justify anything. These people voted for a despicable man, and I am all for holding them to account for it. However, I want to be sure that we’re clear on what is going on, because a misdiagnosis runs the risk of another misfire in two or four years. These people are my friends and family, but they are terribly, terribly misguided - and I make no excuses for them.

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BeachDem  Nov 14, 2016 • 2:25:18pm

re: #232 HappyWarrior

A normal person would have Abbott’s disability and be empathetic. An asshole like Abbott who cares more about being popular on TCOT than actually helping out people OTOH….

Didn’t Abbott change the law about lawsuits after he won his big claim?

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lawhawk  Nov 14, 2016 • 2:25:48pm

re: #236 Lidane

Republican supermajority in the Legislature. No Democrats in any statewide offices here in Texas.

That idiocy is as good as passed. It will be up to groups like the ACLU and Lambda Legal to get it overturned.

States rights and local control, except when it means expanding or protecting civil rights of minorities, in which case, they’re for top-down control. The GOP can’t help but trample on civil rights. It’s in their DNA at this point. And people don’t care enough to protect the rights (mostly because they take them for granted up until the moment they disappear for them). They just blindly ignore (or worse - cheer) when others’ rights are deprived.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 14, 2016 • 2:26:14pm

re: #246 Lidane

It’s shit like that which makes me totally unsympathetic to the Bernie Bros bleating about ZOMG TEH WHITE WORKING CLASS and about pushing hard to the left because “principles”.

Bernie lost the Texas Democratic primary by a 2-to-1 margin. Candidates that sound like him won’t win here either. But we NEED more Democrats in office in this state because this Republican stranglehold is getting seriously horrible.

Yeah I’m beyond frustrated with the Bernie Bro assholes. First thing they did when Clinton officially lost was to do their stupid bullshit based on hypothetical polls that Bernie would have won. Do they not A) realize the hypocrisy of that given how much the activist wing hates that when it’s done against them and B) not realize that the RNC hadn’t started to attach Bernie when those polls were released. But you know what, not even that matters to me most, I honestly dont’ feel Bernie would made a good president and if me- a staunch liberal have those doubts, what were the voters we need to win elections going to say about that? I actually think Hillary would have made a good president because she’s smarter than Bernie is, she would have much better advisers than he would, make better appointments than he would, and would work with Congress better.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Nov 14, 2016 • 2:26:38pm

re: #248 HappyWarrior

I don’t get it either. But you’re right, it’s because we don’t lie to them about industry. The BB wing of the party wants us to lie to working class voters about that. I have no desire to lie to them about that. I want to tell them, I feel bad that you lost your job but economies transition all the time. Let’s rebuild your area with some new businesses that not only will get you working again but also protect the environment. Bernie’s an ass. I appreciated that he campaigned for Clinton but he showed why I don’t think highly of him immediately after. He’s very self serving and nowhere near the noble knight his delusional fans think he is.

Implicit in all of these pushes to go back to talking about economics is a “stop talking about these minority issues, dammit, they’re not important.” That’s if the person in question doesn’t just make an outright statement that having these issues as a focus lost us the election (which I have seen said, although not here) because the white voters in the Rust Belt don’t like to be made uncomfortable or guilty.

Even if you don’t think those issues are important, consider this: if the Democrats are willing to sacrifice minority issues in order to win elections, why should I trust them not to sacrifice any other issue that’s important to me? At what point are they willing to stop sacrificing and stand on their differences from Republicans?

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HappyWarrior  Nov 14, 2016 • 2:26:51pm

re: #251 Sir John Barron

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teleskiguy  Nov 14, 2016 • 2:28:43pm

Nope, not hypocritical at all.

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teleskiguy  Nov 14, 2016 • 2:30:10pm

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Nov 14, 2016 • 2:30:34pm

re: #254 thedopefishlives

I am not trying to justify anything. These people voted for a despicable man, and I am all for holding them to account for it. However, I want to be sure that we’re clear on what is going on, because a misdiagnosis runs the risk of another misfire in two or four years. These people are my friends and family, but they are terribly, terribly misguided - and I make no excuses for them.

It’s a sucky spot to be in.

At the moment, my plan for dealing with Trump voters is to highlight when he’s acting on his racist promises (like, oh, Bannon) and ask them if that is what they voted for and if not, how do they intend to communicate their displeasure.*

* Okay, this is the plan for when I can talk to them without derailing the discussion before it begins with lots of curse words. I do recognize where I would be doing more harm than help.

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BeachDem  Nov 14, 2016 • 2:31:00pm

re: #245 klys (maker of Silmarils)

I figure it is my responsibility as a white woman to use my soapbox for something.

I will stand behind that soapbox and help steady it.

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William Lewis  Nov 14, 2016 • 2:32:10pm

re: #264 Charles Johnson

Fucking Snowflake. His momma needs to spank him.

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BeachDem  Nov 14, 2016 • 2:33:28pm

re: #248 HappyWarrior

I don’t get it either. But you’re right, it’s because we don’t lie to them about industry. The BB wing of the party wants us to lie to working class voters about that. I have no desire to lie to them about that. I want to tell them, I feel bad that you lost your job but economies transition all the time. Let’s rebuild your area with some new businesses that not only will get you working again but also protect the environment. Bernie’s an ass. I appreciated that he campaigned for Clinton but he showed why I don’t think highly of him immediately after. He’s very self serving and nowhere near the noble knight his delusional fans think he is.

And now he’s becoming the John McCain of “news”/talk shows. Honest to dog, I for one do NOT want Bernie Sanders as the standard-bearer for the Democratic Party.

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Mike Lamb  Nov 14, 2016 • 2:33:29pm

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HappyWarrior  Nov 14, 2016 • 2:33:47pm

re: #259 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Implicit in all of these pushes to go back to talking about economics is a “stop talking about these minority issues, dammit, they’re not important.” That’s if the person in question doesn’t just make an outright statement that having these issues as a focus lost us the election (which I have seen said, although not here) because the white voters in the Rust Belt don’t like to be made uncomfortable or guilty.

Even if you don’t think those issues are important, consider this: if the Democrats are willing to sacrifice minority issues in order to win elections, why should I trust them not to sacrifice any other issue that’s important to me? At what point are they willing to stop sacrificing and stand on their differences from Republicans?

That’s exactly what the underlining theme is. And honestly since we are talking about Bernie, he loves to talk about what a proud son of Brooklyn he is, why did he leave it for one of the most white states in the Union? Not knocking Vermont, it’s a beautiful state but Bernie when Ted Cruz attacked Brooklyn was the first one to attack that and he was right but it just rang hollow to me since Bernie doesn’t seem to understand modern Brooklyn that well at all. And I agree with you, alot of rust belt voters don’t like to be made uncomfortable or feel guilty to which I honestly say, too damn bad. That doesn’t mean I think they’re racists of course but I think they need to understand the issues POC, women, and otehr minority groups experience. It’s not about guilt tripping them, it’s pointing out that their issues are valid.

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Stanley Sea  Nov 14, 2016 • 2:34:34pm

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thedopefishlives  Nov 14, 2016 • 2:34:36pm

re: #268 klys (maker of Silmarils)

It’s a sucky spot to be in.

At the moment, my plan for dealing with Trump voters is to highlight when he’s acting on his racist promises (like, oh, Bannon) and ask them if that is what they voted for and if not, how do they intend to communicate their displeasure.*

* Okay, this is the plan for when I can talk to them without derailing the discussion before it begins with lots of curse words. I do recognize where I would be doing more harm than help.

My sister temporarily quit Facebook because someone posted a FB meme about how Christians only hate Obama because he’s black. My response (in my head) was, well, sis, if you don’t want to be seen as racist, then why the fuck did you vote for one?

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HappyWarrior  Nov 14, 2016 • 2:36:10pm

re: #271 BeachDem

And now he’s becoming the John McCain of “news”/talk shows. Honest to dog, I for one do NOT want Bernie Sanders as the standard-bearer for the Democratic Party.

Yeah I see that. So much for the “movement’ he’s building eh. I’ve gone from someone who admired Bernie to wishing Al Giordano will make good on his promise to primary him but I think Al has a tough road ahead since Bernie’s loved in Vermont. I’m sorry, I know some lizards here backed him but I’ve become not a fan because I think he just doesn’t get key issues and worse, I think he has no desire to.

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lawhawk  Nov 14, 2016 • 2:37:59pm

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What’s with all the folks with numbers in the names. Walks like a bot. Talks like a bot. Sounds like a bunch of DARVO’ing don’t you think tovarich?

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re: #265 teleskiguy

Nope, not hypocritical at all.

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thedopefishlives  Nov 14, 2016 • 2:39:55pm

re: #286 BeachDem

I thought the day couldn’t get any worse after the Bolton announcement, but I was wrong, apparently.

Fuck a duck.

No thanks, I don’t really swing that way.///

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Jenner7  Nov 14, 2016 • 2:40:24pm

This is too god damn much.

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wrenchwench  Nov 14, 2016 • 2:40:28pm

re: #274 goddamnedfrank

[FUN FACT: Hillary Clinton won more votes than any white man who ever ran for President]

Damnit. She just forgot the ‘backwards and in heels’ part.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Nov 14, 2016 • 2:40:47pm

re: #287 thedopefishlives

No thanks, I don’t really swing that way.///

…so you’re saying I won’t see any fish/duck hybrids anytime soon?

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Targetpractice  Nov 14, 2016 • 2:41:18pm

So, let me see if I’ve got this straight: After years of endless bitching about how we “ran away” from confrontations with Putin in Ukraine, in Syria, in so many other places…now the president-elect is playing footsie with Vlad and the wingnuts are cool with this.

Mongo’s head hurts.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 14, 2016 • 2:42:02pm

Am I a cynical asshole for thinking the single reason why Bernie Sanders backs Keith Ellison for DNC chair is that Keith backed Bernie and Bernie quite honestly is showing some of his intersection with Trump’s personality that he wants loyalty rewarded no matter what? I really wanted to like Bernie but I can’t anymore. I just can’t when he tells people like me that our concerns are invalid because we didn’t kiss the asses of the white working class by lying to them about their jobs coming back. You guys know. I’m a son of a woman who worked herself through college, the grandson of a brickmason, and the great grandson of coal miners. I truly resent Bernie thinking he has a monopoly on what working class people feel when he’s far removed from their lives and he just has his state of Vermont to go by to take their temperature.

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thedopefishlives  Nov 14, 2016 • 2:43:14pm

re: #291 klys (maker of Silmarils)

…so you’re saying I won’t see any fish/duck hybrids anytime soon?

Ah, no. We’re already seeing the Apocalypse, there’s no sense in bringing about the end of the universe along with it.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Nov 14, 2016 • 2:44:50pm

re: #295 thedopefishlives

Ah, no. We’re already seeing the Apocalypse, there’s no sense in bringing about the end of the universe along with it.

Saw a car last night with a Giant Meteor 2016 bumper sticker.

Couldn’t disagree.

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thedopefishlives  Nov 14, 2016 • 2:45:24pm

re: #297 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Saw a car last night with a Giant Meteor 2016 bumper sticker.

Couldn’t disagree.

It’s not too late. There’s still a month and a half left in this miserable fucking year.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 14, 2016 • 2:46:07pm

And frankly I think we do pay attention to working class concerns. We support raising the minimum wage, we want to make post K-12 education affordable for anyone(my grandparents didn’t attend college but they always hoped their children and grandchildren would and my uncle, my mom, and myself have graduated while my one brother is an undergrad and our other brother will attend too), we want people to have safe work places, be able to unionize if they want to, etc. Now, we’re not going to give workers the economy that my grandparents grew up with but in a way, I think that’s a good thing, my two great grandfathers lived short lives because of the mines. My grandma has told me when her father died, he was healthy other than his lungs. The mines that Trump brags about how he wants to bring back, they killed him.

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Targetpractice  Nov 14, 2016 • 2:50:42pm

So, in less than a week, the wingnuts have demonstrated that the entirety of the last 8 years was totally partisan bullshit.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 14, 2016 • 2:51:09pm

re: #300 Targetpractice

So, in less than a week, the wingnuts have demonstrated that the entirety of the last 8 years was totally partisan bullshit.

Well we all knew it was going to happen. But this quickly is pretty impressive.

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thedopefishlives  Nov 14, 2016 • 2:51:31pm

re: #301 HappyWarrior

Well we all knew it was going to happen. But this quickly is pretty impressive.

Exactly this.

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Targetpractice  Nov 14, 2016 • 2:54:29pm

Trump hasn’t even taken the oath of office and they’re already making excuses for why nothing he’s said in the last year can be taken at face value. Generally you wait at least a year before you start excusing this shit, but his fan club decided why waste time?

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Edge of a dream AKA Cankles Mccellulite  Nov 14, 2016 • 2:54:52pm

Republican on the news right now who says there is no proof Trump and Bannon are racist.

Hahahaha.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 14, 2016 • 2:54:57pm

re: #302 thedopefishlives

Exactly this.

Trump has pretty much “apologized” to Putin too for the “awful” way we’ve been to him in the Obama years. I’m convinced now more than ever that the never Trumps existed for one reason, they were afraid he was going to lose and wanted cover if he did. Now that he’s won, it’s all gravy. Now there are some like Kasich’s guy Weaver, Glenn Beck surprisingly, and some others that are sticking with it but Ryan who couldn’t even bear to say Trump’s name a couple weeks ago now has his fellow Wisconsintie, Reince as Trump’s COS and you get the impression it could be the start of a beautiful friendship between Donald and Paul.

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Archangelus  Nov 14, 2016 • 2:55:15pm

Ugh, I keep seeing folks say that the end of the year can’t possibly get any worse than November has been so far… I mean, seriously? Do people just not know the meaning of the word ‘jinx’?

I can’t help but think of the following (from a SW parody):

Palpatine’s Trip | Robot Chicken | Adult Swim

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HappyWarrior  Nov 14, 2016 • 2:55:52pm

re: #304 Edge of a dream AKA Cankles Mccellulite

Republican on the news right now who says there is no proof Trump and Bannon are racist.

Hahahaha.

Okay, Trump I can get almost if I squint and try real hard, but Bannon? The guy is basically David Duke if David Duke had some polish to his craft.

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ObserverArt  Nov 14, 2016 • 2:59:10pm

re: #216 Edge of a dream AKA Cankles Mccellulite

We all must remember, Trump did not win in spite of his horrible rhetoric but because of it.

I don’t need to remember. It’s too hard to forget.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 14, 2016 • 2:59:23pm

re: #308 goddamnedfrank

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Varek Raith  Nov 14, 2016 • 3:00:22pm

re: #308 goddamnedfrank

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Skip Intro  Nov 14, 2016 • 3:01:26pm

re: #206 Lidane

This asshole and his mustache again:

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HappyWarrior  Nov 14, 2016 • 3:01:28pm

re: #311 Varek Raith

CORPORATIST SHILL

That’s Neo-Liberal Corporatist shill. I Swear to God, if I can go the rest of the year or even my life without hearing that word from some lefty purist asshole who doesn’t know a damn thing about reality outside their lefty bubble again.

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Archangelus  Nov 14, 2016 • 3:02:05pm

re: #310 HappyWarrior

I mean, it would be one thing if they took a step back and realized that maybe they were wrong that Hillary and Trump weren’t two sides of the same coin but no, many of them are still pushing WE SHOULD AHVE NOMINATED BERNIE!. I think a lot of these far lefty types are inherently anti-Democratic and honestly I have no desire to let them decide the party’s destiny for the future at all.

Decide on the party’s future? I wouldn’t let them decide on the lunch order!

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HappyWarrior  Nov 14, 2016 • 3:02:34pm

re: #314 Charles Johnson

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HappyWarrior  Nov 14, 2016 • 3:03:41pm

re: #315 Archangelus

Decide on the party’s future? I wouldn’t let them decide on the lunch order!

You wouldn’t get a lunch because you’d get nothing because they’d spend the time arguing with your sever about how Bernie was right, Bernie was right. It’s not all Sanders voters obviously but there are a lot of obnoxious ones that have no introspection at all and the candidate himself is one of them.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 14, 2016 • 3:05:20pm

You want to decide the Democratic Party’s future? First step is committing yourself to the party and not threatening or actually going to the Greens when you don’t get your way. Otherwise, you’re just an asshole who wants to use the Democratic Party’s position as one of our two major parties to push YOUR agenda.

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Charles Johnson  Nov 14, 2016 • 3:07:43pm

This is such a great album.

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Barefoot Grin  Nov 14, 2016 • 3:08:20pm

re: #314 Charles Johnson

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bratwurst  Nov 14, 2016 • 3:10:25pm
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ObserverArt  Nov 14, 2016 • 3:10:53pm

re: #266 teleskiguy

Oh, and Gwen Ifill died? Jeez …

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Lidane  Nov 14, 2016 • 3:12:01pm

The fact that Teen Vogue has an opinion and AIPAC doesn’t is disturbing.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 14, 2016 • 3:12:29pm

re: #321 bratwurst

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Targetpractice  Nov 14, 2016 • 3:12:48pm

re: #318 HappyWarrior

You want to decide the Democratic Party’s future? First step is committing yourself to the party and not threatening or actually going to the Greens when you don’t get your way. Otherwise, you’re just an asshole who wants to use the Democratic Party’s position as one of our two major parties to push YOUR agenda.

The Bros have no more desire to chart the course of the DNC’s fate than Bernie does. As more than one has told me over the months, their biggest desire is that the DNC falls apart. Why? Because they think that the Green Party will magically rise up and become the new port of call for liberals in America.

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teleskiguy  Nov 14, 2016 • 3:13:08pm

re: #321 bratwurst

Stephen Bannon has a stake in the television show “Seinfeld.” The world is cruel, indeed.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 14, 2016 • 3:13:33pm

I’m going to wake up and Bowie’s new album is going to be great and it’s not going to be a beautiful farewell right?

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Jebediah, RBG  Nov 14, 2016 • 3:14:55pm

re: #307 HappyWarrior

Okay, Trump I can get almost if I squint and try real hard

But to do that you have to disregard that Trump publicly claimed that “blacks are inherently lazy.”
Straight from the horse’s ass.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 14, 2016 • 3:15:05pm

re: #325 Targetpractice

The Bros have no more desire to chart the course of the DNC’s fate than Bernie does. As more than one has told me over the months, their biggest desire is that the DNC falls apart. Why? Because they think that the Green Party will magically rise up and become the new port of call for liberals in America.

I really hope they fail big time.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 14, 2016 • 3:15:52pm

re: #328 Jebediah, RBG

But to do that you have to disregard that Trump publicly claimed that “blacks are inherently lazy.”
Straight from the horse’s ass.

That’s what I mean. He is a racist. How anyone can deny either are astounds me. I’m just saying I don’t expect a Republican to admit that since he’s their man. But Bannon?

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ObserverArt  Nov 14, 2016 • 3:15:58pm

Where is all this Soros is paying demonstrators stuff coming from? I’ve seen little nazi soldiers fall in line before, but damn, this is like ants marching to a spilled bag of sugar.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 14, 2016 • 3:16:34pm

re: #330 Backwoods_Sleuth

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HappyWarrior  Nov 14, 2016 • 3:16:55pm

re: #332 ObserverArt

Where is all this Soros is paying demonstrators stuff coming from? I’ve seen little nazi soldiers fall in line before, but damn, this is like ants marching to a spilled bag of sugar.

Not sure where its genesis is but it’s usual right wing crap.

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mmmirele  Nov 14, 2016 • 3:17:55pm

re: #230 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Dr. Matt  Nov 14, 2016 • 3:18:16pm

Seriously, 2016 has to be the shittiest year in decades.

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scottslemmons  Nov 14, 2016 • 3:18:18pm

re: #325 Targetpractice

The Bros have no more desire to chart the course of the DNC’s fate than Bernie does. As more than one has told me over the months, their biggest desire is that the DNC falls apart. Why? Because they think that the Green Party will magically rise up and become the new port of call for liberals in America.

The wingnuts aren’t the only ones afflicted with gleeful nihilism. The Green Party goons want to dance in the ashes of the world just as much as the GOP or the Russians do.

Figuring out a way to get these nihilist fucks to kill themselves without harming normal people is going to be one of the biggest challenges going forward.

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calochortus  Nov 14, 2016 • 3:18:28pm

re: #266 teleskiguy

Oh, and Gwen Ifill died? Jeez …

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I know, I tuned into the Newshour to be greeted with that.
I haz a major sad.

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CuriousLurker  Nov 14, 2016 • 3:18:45pm

re: #321 bratwurst

Ugh, this article is largely whitewashing him, saying what a great guy he was in the Navy (never mind that his “career” only lasted 7 years and was almost 40 years ago): Trump’s controversial new adviser promoted conservatism even in the Navy

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Barefoot Grin  Nov 14, 2016 • 3:19:24pm

re: #332 ObserverArt

Where is all this Soros is paying demonstrators stuff coming from? I’ve seen little nazi soldiers fall in line before, but damn, this is like ants marching to a spilled bag of sugar.

There was a post on a community FB page about an anti-Trump protest near here over the weekend. The “Soros is paying these freeloaders” thing was repeated over and over along with “Trump actually won the popular vote, too.” These are trending in the lie-o-sphere.

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Jebediah, RBG  Nov 14, 2016 • 3:19:31pm

re: #331 HappyWarrior

A little while ago I would have guessed that Bannon would be too seedy and disreputable for the GOP to embrace.
I would have been wrong, apparently. And if Bannon isn’t too overtly racist for them, what actually is too much for them?

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Edge of a dream AKA Cankles Mccellulite  Nov 14, 2016 • 3:20:02pm

“On the bright side, since Trump was elected there’s never been a better time for atheist recruiting among ppl who suspected there is no god” ~Bill Maher

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HappyWarrior  Nov 14, 2016 • 3:20:13pm

re: #341 Jebediah, RBG

A little while ago I would have guessed that Bannon would be too seedy and disreputable for the GOP to embrace.
I would have been wrong, apparently. And if Bannon isn’t too overtly racist for them, what actually is too much for them?

I can’t tell you that. I really can’t.

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Dr. Matt  Nov 14, 2016 • 3:20:23pm

Still not enough to counter the giant turd they inflicted on America.

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contrary to popular belief, florida did make at least one good decision last tuesday.

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Skip Intro  Nov 14, 2016 • 3:20:28pm

re: #341 Jebediah, RBG

I see homeless people lined up to get refunds on cans and bottles who don’t look as seedy as Bannon.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 14, 2016 • 3:21:21pm

re: #344 Dr. Matt

Still not enough to counter the giant turd they inflicted on America.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 14, 2016 • 3:21:52pm

re: #345 Skip Intro

I see homeless people lined up to get refunds on cans and bottles who don’t look as seedy as Bannon.

Said it last night but the one photo of Bannon in the head set, he looks like central casting for the drunk bigoted football coach.

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN  Nov 14, 2016 • 3:22:05pm

re: #332 ObserverArt

Where is all this Soros is paying demonstrators stuff coming from? I’ve seen little nazi soldiers fall in line before, but damn, this is like ants marching to a spilled bag of sugar.

It isn’t directed at the protesters and their supporters, rather it is directed at the Trump supporters so they can dismiss the demonstrators’ legitimacy.

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mmmirele  Nov 14, 2016 • 3:22:23pm

re: #285 HappyWarrior

Knowing Pence, he probably has some porn confirmations that he’s embarrassed about. Okay, I kid there but fuck this hypocrite.

Naw, more likely collusion with various right-wing religious groups on his discrimnate against Teh Ghey bill from last year.

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CuriousLurker  Nov 14, 2016 • 3:22:51pm

re: #267 Backwoods_Sleuth

WTFF qualifies them to be national security advisors? Excuse me, but I need to go scream into a pillow.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 14, 2016 • 3:23:18pm

Well Bolton being official does make me even more glad that I didn’t get into the state department. That saddens me. This was honestly one of my dreams once. I studied for the FSOE. I didn’t pass and realized after I didn’t pass that it wasn’t a good fit but it was still an aspiration I once had.

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calochortus  Nov 14, 2016 • 3:23:24pm

re: #268 klys (maker of Silmarils)

It’s a sucky spot to be in.

At the moment, my plan for dealing with Trump voters is to highlight when he’s acting on his racist promises (like, oh, Bannon) and ask them if that is what they voted for and if not, how do they intend to communicate their displeasure.*

* Okay, this is the plan for when I can talk to them without derailing the discussion before it begins with lots of curse words. I do recognize where I would be doing more harm than help.

Asking questions can be helpful.
Do you think we should go with Trump’s infrastructure plan and create jobs? Yes? Is it OK to raise the deficit or do you prefer toll roads?

Should we raise tariffs on foreign goods? How much more are you willing to pay for stuff?

Shall we increase the number of mining and factory jobs by restricting mechanization? How much more are you willing to pay for stuff?

The trouble with this approach is that people do cut you off pretty fast…

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William Lewis  Nov 14, 2016 • 3:23:27pm

re: #308 goddamnedfrank

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HappyWarrior  Nov 14, 2016 • 3:23:35pm

re: #349 mmmirele

Naw, more likely collusion with various right-wing religious groups on his discrimnate against Teh Ghey bill from last year.

That would be it yeah.

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calochortus  Nov 14, 2016 • 3:24:04pm

re: #350 CuriousLurker

WTFF qualifies them to be national security advisors? Excuse me, but I need to go scream into a pillow.

Why a pillow? I’d recommend opening a window and letting rip.

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Edge of a dream AKA Cankles Mccellulite  Nov 14, 2016 • 3:25:36pm

Apparently Bannon is not a racist or anti-semite. He’s a revolutionary

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wrenchwench  Nov 14, 2016 • 3:26:33pm

re: #356 Edge of a dream AKA Cankles Mccellulite

Apparently Bannon is not a racist or anti-semite. He’s a revolutionary

OK. He can sit on it and rotate.

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Dr. Matt  Nov 14, 2016 • 3:26:34pm

re: #346 HappyWarrior

Yeah I’m happy those referendums passed but yeah…

Yeah, we can get stoned while Drump destroys our country…..hooray.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 14, 2016 • 3:26:58pm

re: #356 Edge of a dream AKA Cankles Mccellulite

Apparently Bannon is not a racist or anti-semite. He’s a revolutionary

Revolutionary racist anti-semite who is on record praising V.I. Lenin. Meanwhile if my fascinating with Tito were known getting a key presidential job, I’d be attacked by every right wing media outlet including Bannon’s Breitbart for being a communist.

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Skip Intro  Nov 14, 2016 • 3:27:06pm

re: #351 HappyWarrior

Well Bolton being official does make me even more glad that I didn’t get into the state department. That saddens me. This was honestly one of my dreams once. I studied for the FSOE. I didn’t pass and realized after I didn’t pass that it wasn’t a good fit but it was still an aspiration I once had.

He isn’t official unless, from the same site, is official.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 14, 2016 • 3:27:49pm

re: #360 Skip Intro

He isn’t official unless, from the same site, is official.

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Skip Intro  Nov 14, 2016 • 3:28:36pm

re: #361 HappyWarrior

Still it’s going to be someone that would be totally at odds with what I wanted to do for DOS.

Well, yeah. I think that’s pretty clear.

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Romantic Heretic  Nov 14, 2016 • 3:33:14pm

re: #276 Stanley Sea

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William Lewis  Nov 14, 2016 • 3:33:37pm

Well, I’ve done something right as a parent - I was on the phone to my son and in the light of last Tuesday’s results we spent the 10 minutes he gets for calls riffing on Illuminati, aliens, mind control & chemtrail conspiracy theories :) It’s good he understands reality enough to laugh at the stupidity of these idiotic ideas.

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN  Nov 14, 2016 • 3:35:11pm

I haven’t been out much the last couple days, but I’ve been hearing something about safety pins being a sign of solidarity. Is that a real thing going on?

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EPR-radar  Nov 14, 2016 • 3:36:39pm

re: #242 BeachDem

Brava! Where did this new “Democrats didn’t talk about economic issues” crap come from, anyway? (other than 24/7 from BoB folks and Bernie himself, but I digress.)

I guess because we didn’t lie straight to their faces—telling them industries that have been dead for 25-30 years are going to come roaring back with high-paying jobs and unicorns.

I’m of the “go home from the dance with the one who brought you” camp—don’t abandon the people who believe in your values and support you to woo the ones who don’t.

I don’t know the answer—but in my mind it sure isn’t jumping on the populist Trump train to soothe the feeling of “white working class” people at the expense of everyone else.

I think it’s fair to say that economic populism is missing from the Democratic party compared to what it was in the past. The best example may be anti-trust, which is a totally moribund area of law and policy these days. Democrats used to be against the concentration of vast power in the hands of monopolists, but not any more.

So I would like to see the Democratic party maintain its existing commitments to diversity in full, while adding some badly needed populist zest to its economic policies.

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BeachDem  Nov 14, 2016 • 3:38:00pm

Oh my, stop the presses. Kellyanne is “offended” that anyone would think she would manage a campaign where that (Bannon being a white-nationalist anti semitic dickwit) would be one of the going philosophies.

And, as Hunter points out: one of the top Google hits right now for Kellyanne Conway’s “personally offended” speech is a neo-Nazi website, which put the story under the title “Faggots and Jews Whining About Bannon Appointment.” They’re quite pleased with Conway. As, of course, they should be.

dailykos.com

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Jack Burton  Nov 14, 2016 • 3:38:28pm

re: #336 Dr. Matt

Seriously, 2016 has to be the shittiest year in decades.

THIS… So much this. The only 2 years that were remotely close to being as bad as this year in my past were 1994 and 2011.

1994 was a clusterfuck of extraordinary magnitude involving the end of a relationship, deaths, dropping out of college, finding out my mother was cheating on my father, someone I got into a car accident with tried to sue me for 100 grand when she didn’t like what her insurance company told her, and getting accused of theft (while being the victim of wage theft myself by a racist wingnut store owner) at a shitty job I hated.

2011 was some legal trouble from a *really* stupid mistake I won’t go into (and no didn’t involve drugs or violence), that eventually came to almost nothing, but it was some of the worse stress in my life at the time.

This year made both of them look like too good to be true great years in comparison. I should have been celebrating those years. Trump winning is a big bad part of it, but it’s just the last thing in a series of ‘You gotta be shitting me’s” that have occurred. This year’s bullshit is actually starting to negatively affect my health. I’ve got a list of things wrong with me so long now that I don’t know where to start.

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Romantic Heretic  Nov 14, 2016 • 3:38:37pm

re: #315 Archangelus

They’d spend hours arguing whether a menu Item was vegan or not.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 14, 2016 • 3:39:10pm
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William Lewis  Nov 14, 2016 • 3:39:32pm

re: #366 SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN

I haven’t been out much the last couple days, but I’ve been hearing something about safety pins being a sign of solidarity. Is that a real thing going on?

It is but I prefer the White Rose with it’s connections to real Resistance to the last time the fascists were in power. I ordered a patch to put on my hat - perhaps I could hold it on with safety pins???

The White Rose

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Nov 14, 2016 • 3:40:03pm
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calochortus  Nov 14, 2016 • 3:40:15pm

re: #366 SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN

I haven’t been out much the last couple days, but I’ve been hearing something about safety pins being a sign of solidarity. Is that a real thing going on?

Sorta. It started with the anti-immigrant sentiment after the Brexit vote and people are trying to get it going here. I’m not sure it will really go anywhere. A safety pin indicates a lovely sentiment, but just being alert to people being in uncomfortable situations and being there to support them is the practical version.

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Charles Johnson  Nov 14, 2016 • 3:41:00pm
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ObserverArt  Nov 14, 2016 • 3:41:44pm

re: #299 HappyWarrior

And frankly I think we do pay attention to working class concerns. We support raising the minimum wage, we want to make post K-12 education affordable for anyone(my grandparents didn’t attend college but they always hoped their children and grandchildren would and my uncle, my mom, and myself have graduated while my one brother is an undergrad and our other brother will attend too), we want people to have safe work places, be able to unionize if they want to, etc. Now, we’re not going to give workers the economy that my grandparents grew up with but in a way, I think that’s a good thing, my two great grandfathers lived short lives because of the mines. My grandma has told me when her father died, he was healthy other than his lungs. The mines that Trump brags about how he wants to bring back, they killed him.

Here is how I am going to treat Sanders. I’m going to mark him down as an arrogant ass that now thinks the reason the Democrats lost the election is because they didn’t nominate him. It is further proof he was never a team player from the get go and he signals one week after the election the proof that he is an Independent and only cares about himself. It’s sour grapes shit out from a damn sour puss.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Nov 14, 2016 • 3:42:17pm

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calochortus  Nov 14, 2016 • 3:42:32pm

re: #369 Jack Burton

I hope things will improve for you. {{{Jack Burton}}}

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CuriousLurker  Nov 14, 2016 • 3:43:34pm

re: #355 calochortus

Why a pillow? I’d recommend opening a window and letting rip.

LOL, I have a really loud voice—it might cause buildings to collapse.

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Charles Johnson  Nov 14, 2016 • 3:44:21pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 14, 2016 • 3:44:38pm

re: #355 calochortus

Why a pillow? I’d recommend opening a window and letting rip.

I confess, when I read that line, the first thing that came to mind was NOT screaming.

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wrenchwench  Nov 14, 2016 • 3:44:41pm

re: #381 CuriousLurker

LOL, I have a really loud voice—it might cause buildings to collapse.

Urban renewal!

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calochortus  Nov 14, 2016 • 3:44:41pm

re: #372 William Lewis

It is but I prefer the White Rose with it’s connections to real Resistance to the last time the fascists were in power. I ordered a patch to put on my hat - perhaps I could hold it on with safety pins???

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Ooooh. I like that.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Nov 14, 2016 • 3:45:21pm

re: #384 wrenchwench

Urban renewal!

I know some real estate that could use some new interior decor…

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN  Nov 14, 2016 • 3:45:42pm

re: #374 calochortus

I’m kind of thinking of a way to say I’m with you.

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calochortus  Nov 14, 2016 • 3:46:16pm

re: #378 klys (maker of Silmarils)

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN  Nov 14, 2016 • 3:47:21pm

re: #375 Charles Johnson

If they can’t handle a bunch of “sore losers” how they gonna handle ISIS?

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EPR-radar  Nov 14, 2016 • 3:48:19pm

re: #389 SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN

If they can’t handle a bunch of “sore losers” how they gonna handle ISIS?

Poorly. Of course. Every interaction these RWNJs will have with reality will go badly.

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wrenchwench  Nov 14, 2016 • 3:50:47pm

I saw my landlady/next door neighbor this morning for the first time since the election. She was wearing a button that said, ‘Planned Parenthood; Don’t Fuck With Us, Don’t Fuck Without Us.’ She said she may go to DC for the after-inauguration demo. She’s pissed.

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William Lewis  Nov 14, 2016 • 3:51:09pm

re: #385 calochortus

Ooooh. I like that.

I ordered a patch like this:

From this place: White Rose Patch

I’ll review it when it gets here.

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calochortus  Nov 14, 2016 • 3:53:06pm

re: #387 SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN

I’m kind of thinking of a way to say I’m with you.

Yeah, I understand, I don’t know about the safety pins, it’s kind of clever but it doesn’t speak to me. If it works for you, great. Also, around here most people assume you’re used to gays, muslims, brown people, whatever, so it’s less of a statement.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 14, 2016 • 3:54:45pm

Okay, here’s what I don’t get about the Bolton pick - Bolton has been loudly critical of pretty much every aspect of Trump’s stated FP goals, whether it’s weakening NATO, sucking up to Russia, or supporting Assad in Syria.

Somehow, I don’t see him going along with Trump’s vision quietly. So, which gives way first - Trump’s vision? Or Bolton’s?

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William Lewis  Nov 14, 2016 • 3:56:30pm

re: #393 calochortus

Yeah, I get that. I post this comment earlier out of similar thinking…

littlegreenfootballs.com

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN  Nov 14, 2016 • 3:57:31pm

re: #393 calochortus

In the Philadelphia area, I thought we were used to everybody.

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jeffreyw  Nov 14, 2016 • 3:57:55pm

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calochortus  Nov 14, 2016 • 3:58:24pm

re: #396 SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN

In the Philadelphia area, I thought we were used to everybody.

You may well be.

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ObserverArt  Nov 14, 2016 • 3:59:00pm

re: #340 Barefoot Grin

There was a post on a community FB page about an anti-Trump protest near here over the weekend. The “Soros is paying these freeloaders” thing was repeated over and over along with “Trump actually won the popular vote, too.” These are trending in the lie-o-sphere.

I didn’t catch the details, but I think I heard the Today Show report that 60% of the American voters get their news from Facebook and other social media. Your comments kinda ices that report. And I think Face Book’s owner said there was nothing wrong with that and he couldn’t do anything about it. Then a media specialists chimes in the only was to defeat bad news is with good news. Yeah, who’s is going to make that clear?

A sure sign that media is in a real sad shape. Not good for this country/world. It actually might signal that the truth isn’t important. Maybe that really was already reflected in the coverage of the election.

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calochortus  Nov 14, 2016 • 3:59:46pm

re: #394 Blind Frog Belly White

Okay, here’s what I don’t get about the Bolton pick - Bolton has been loudly critical of pretty much every aspect of Trump’s stated FP goals, whether it’s weakening NATO, sucking up to Russia, or supporting Assad in Syria.

Somehow, I don’t see him going along with Trump’s vision quietly. So, which gives way first - Trump’s vision? Or Bolton’s?

He has to actually be appointed to the position before we find out. Stability and focus haven’t been the strong points of the campaign and many things could change before January 20th.

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CuriousLurker  Nov 14, 2016 • 4:00:52pm

Just changed my Amazon Smile charity from the ASPCA (sorry Layla) to Planned Parenthood as I think they’re gonna need it more.

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CuriousLurker  Nov 14, 2016 • 4:01:52pm

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ObserverArt  Nov 14, 2016 • 4:02:34pm

re: #348 SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN

It isn’t directed at the protesters and their supporters, rather it is directed at the Trump supporters so they can dismiss the demonstrators’ legitimacy.

Yeah right. And this is why they are bombing Charles with all those tweets. Hello!

And Tweety Matthews just opened his fucking show by saying “Warning Signs!”

Too late you fucking idiot. Didn’t you see that 18 months ago.

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William Lewis  Nov 14, 2016 • 4:02:35pm

re: #397 jeffreyw

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Stanley Sea  Nov 14, 2016 • 4:03:03pm

omg. They gave trump plastic surgery.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Nov 14, 2016 • 4:04:11pm

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William Lewis  Nov 14, 2016 • 4:04:39pm

re: #402 CuriousLurker

Just changed my Amazon Smile charity from the ASPCA (sorry Layla) to Planned Parenthood as I think they’re gonna need it more.

I’m leaving mine alone - it’s the local food pantry. A look at the lines there every Monday tells me how it’s needed and it’ll only get worse with the &)&(*@^@%!%!!! granny starver in charge of the house and no one to stop him.

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calochortus  Nov 14, 2016 • 4:05:47pm

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN  Nov 14, 2016 • 4:05:48pm

re: #404 ObserverArt

You’re misunderstanding me. The people sending those messages to Charles are the intended users of the Soros smear. Put yourself in Bannon’s seat. You could care less what your opponents believe, but you gotta keep the fresh meat flowing to your attack dogs to distract them from the fact that they just voted to screw themselves.

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Charles Johnson  Nov 14, 2016 • 4:07:17pm
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GlutenFreeJesus  Nov 14, 2016 • 4:09:27pm

So that David Wilcox guy who was beaten by those idiots yelling anti trump stuff… a convicted felon who had been in state/federal prison 9 times in 30 years.

Cue the Rightwing cries of “he deserved what he got”. Any moment now. Right?

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 14, 2016 • 4:10:38pm

So finally yesterday evening, I was able to bring myself to watch Kate McKinnon’s cold open from Saturday’s SNL. Now I can’t get the last verse out of my head, and every time it repeats in my mind, I start tearing up.

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ObserverArt  Nov 14, 2016 • 4:11:57pm

re: #368 BeachDem

Oh my, stop the presses. Kellyanne is “offended” that anyone would think she would manage a campaign where that (Bannon being a white-nationalist anti semitic dickwit) would be one of the going philosophies.

And, as Hunter points out: one of the top Google hits right now for Kellyanne Conway’s “personally offended” speech is a neo-Nazi website, which put the story under the title “Faggots and Jews Whining About Bannon Appointment.” They’re quite pleased with Conway. As, of course, they should be.

dailykos.com

Wait. Did I not hear Ms. Kellyanne say Bannon was a nice guy and misunderstood just this morning in reports?

Okay, that’s it. Time to go. Mind blown for one day…anything more and I might damage my keyboard from anger typing. See you later good Lizards and carry the flag!

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The Vicious Babushka  Nov 14, 2016 • 4:14:31pm
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Jebediah, RBG  Nov 14, 2016 • 4:15:57pm

re: #393 calochortus

jeezuz I just got a little shudder for what might have happened…

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calochortus  Nov 14, 2016 • 4:18:58pm

re: #417 Jebediah, RBG

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Jack Burton  Nov 14, 2016 • 4:19:07pm

re: #411 Charles Johnson

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Is the exact location that video was taken.

Thats…. SOOOOOOOOOOOOO much Venezuela…
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Skip Intro  Nov 14, 2016 • 4:19:48pm

re: #416 The Vicious Babushka

It makes it easier for them to get and sell intelligence to the highest bidder, that’s why.

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stpaulbear  Nov 14, 2016 • 4:20:59pm

We have a program at work for donating directly from our paycheck to local charities, and this morning we all got an email that the enrollment period for the program had been extended until today - it’s the first time this has happened in the 12 years I’ve been at work and I think it happened because of the election results. I went in and upped my donation to a half dozen charity programs in MN to about $500 for next year.

Before I even watched this, I started putting together a list of charities I want to donate to (it felt more constructive than getting my work done). Setting up monthly donations to PP and the SPLC are high on the list. A subscription to the WaPo is on the list too (the NYT is not). I was glad to get more recommendations via John Oliver, and I found this website from CharityWatch that looks like it may be useful.

I feel so helpless about what is about to happen but I want to try to help people that know how to fight. I wish I could afford more. I’m in the middle income range that’s going to get brutalized when Ryan/Trump tax plans are adopted, so I may as well try to dump as much income as I can afford into stuff I can deduct (if that’s going to be allowed anymore).

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calochortus  Nov 14, 2016 • 4:21:03pm

re: #419 Jack Burton

google.com

Is the exact location that video was taken.

Thats…. SOOOOOOOOOOOOO much Venezuela…
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You have to admit it’s pretty easy to confuse the two, what with the billboards being in English and all.
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Jebediah, RBG  Nov 14, 2016 • 4:21:33pm

re: #418 calochortus

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The Vicious Babushka  Nov 14, 2016 • 4:21:56pm

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EPR-radar  Nov 14, 2016 • 4:23:45pm

re: #416 The Vicious Babushka

Referring to Trump’s eldest two sons as Uday and Qusay was meant to be an insult, not instructions.

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ObserverArt  Nov 14, 2016 • 4:24:10pm

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calochortus  Nov 14, 2016 • 4:25:39pm

Sometimes I am dense. I just saw a headline about adult website credentials being hacked and thought “Oh dear, I hope it isn’t a site I frequent…” And then the actual meaning of “adult website” hit me. Oh. They don’t mean Reuters, or that cool embroidery website, or here do they? LOL

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Nov 14, 2016 • 4:26:25pm

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Nov 14, 2016 • 4:27:14pm

re: #428 calochortus

Sometimes I am dense. I just saw a headline about adult website credentials being hacked and thought “Oh dear, I hope it isn’t a site I frequent…” And then the actual meaning of “adult website” hit me. Oh. They don’t mean Reuters, or that cool embroidery website, or here do they? LOL

Three stitches you can’t live without!

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Charles Johnson  Nov 14, 2016 • 4:27:38pm
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The Vicious Babushka  Nov 14, 2016 • 4:27:51pm

Fuck you NYTimes

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stpaulbear  Nov 14, 2016 • 4:30:28pm

I need to go out to buy some groceries, laundry soap, and mousetraps. I caught four of them over the weekend and I want to try to get rid of them before winter sets in for real.

BBL

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freetoken  Nov 14, 2016 • 4:30:37pm

re: #426 Backwoods_Sleuth

Everyone is counting…

Here in California, Clinton has gone over six million today. She has an almost 2.8 million lead today.

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calochortus  Nov 14, 2016 • 4:31:12pm

re: #430 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Three stitches you can’t live without!

Needlenthread.com I’ve seen some work there that has gotten me a bit excited. ;)

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calochortus  Nov 14, 2016 • 4:32:39pm

re: #434 freetoken

Everyone is counting…

Here in California, Clinton has gone over six million today. She has an almost 2.8 million lead today.

You must be mistaken. I have been assured by conservatives that Trump won in a landslide of the popular vote. They then link to a map of the electoral college to prove it.

Head? Desk!

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Nov 14, 2016 • 4:33:11pm

re: #435 calochortus

Needlenthread.com I’ve seen some work there that has gotten me a bit excited. ;)

Oooo, that autumn leaf mandala she’s got going…

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Charles Johnson  Nov 14, 2016 • 4:34:43pm
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calochortus  Nov 14, 2016 • 4:35:18pm

re: #437 klys (maker of Silmarils)

I don’t do a ton of embroidery because I can’t just sit all day and play with fiber (I have to share my wisdom here, for example) but Mary Corbett has definitely got me moving in that direction.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Nov 14, 2016 • 4:36:32pm

re: #439 calochortus

I don’t do a ton of embroidery because I can’t just sit all day and play with fiber (I have to share my wisdom here, for example) but Mary Corbett has definitely got me moving in that direction.

It is normally not my thing at all (ironically, given what I do do) but for a piece like that I could make an exception.

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Timothy Watson  Nov 14, 2016 • 4:36:42pm

re: #421 stpaulbear

I am looking into what political candidates/committees I can afford to contribute to going into Virginia’s elections next year.

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retired cynic  Nov 14, 2016 • 4:37:11pm

re: #377 ObserverArt

I just heard him [Bernie Sanders] do an interview on NPR, and son of a gun, he already has a book published about this campaign, and he was, um, rather patronizing in my opinion, saying Trump spoke to Obama voters better than Hillary did, and the Democratic party needed to be rebuilt from the ground up. My understanding of what he was saying was that it should be in his own image. My teeth are ground to nubbins.

[Edited to add who the heck I was talking about!]

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William Lewis  Nov 14, 2016 • 4:37:37pm

re: #440 Backwoods_Sleuth

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calochortus  Nov 14, 2016 • 4:38:54pm

Must go do stuff again. Laterz…

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Nyet  Nov 14, 2016 • 4:40:24pm

re: #432 The Vicious Babushka

Fuck you NYTimes

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Skip Intro  Nov 14, 2016 • 4:41:05pm

re: #440 Backwoods_Sleuth

First good news - I think - in a week.

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Timothy Watson  Nov 14, 2016 • 4:41:10pm

re: #443 retired cynic

I just heard him do an interview on NPR, and son of a gun, he already has a book published about this campaign, and he was, um, rather patronizing in my opinion, saying Trump spoke to Obama voters better than Hillary did, and the Democratic party needed to be rebuilt from the ground up. My understanding of what he was saying was that it should be in his own image. My teeth are ground to nubbins.

What the flying fuck does Sanders know about national political party structure or organization?

And, yeah, I might be a little defensive about a campaign I volunteered on.

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Nyet  Nov 14, 2016 • 4:41:52pm

re: #440 Backwoods_Sleuth

OK at this point I think we should disregard anything anon “sources” say.

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MsJ  Nov 14, 2016 • 4:43:37pm

re: #402 CuriousLurker

Just changed my Amazon Smile charity from the ASPCA (sorry Layla) to Planned Parenthood as I think they’re gonna need it more.

Thanks for posting this. I’m going to do that too.

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Skip Intro  Nov 14, 2016 • 4:43:49pm

re: #449 Nyet

OK at this point I think we should disregard anything anon “sources” say.

There’s no question that we’re being fucked with bigly by the Trump disinformation network.

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Nyet  Nov 14, 2016 • 4:44:39pm

re: #451 Skip Intro

There’s no question that we’re being fucked with bigly by the Trump disinformation network.

Either that or they’re in chaos…

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Skip Intro  Nov 14, 2016 • 4:45:54pm

re: #452 Nyet

Either that or they’re in chaos…

The result is the same.

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Emptor scriptor Remorse  Nov 14, 2016 • 4:46:18pm

re: #433 stpaulbear

I highly recommend the plastic mousetraps.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 14, 2016 • 4:47:53pm

re: #449 Nyet

OK at this point I think we should disregard anything anon “sources” say.

What anon sources? This is actually Rudy saying this at the WSJ CEO Council.

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teleskiguy  Nov 14, 2016 • 4:49:38pm

Facebook Post

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retired cynic  Nov 14, 2016 • 4:49:39pm

re: #443 retired cynic

Edited to add who the heck I was talking about!

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Nyet  Nov 14, 2016 • 4:50:10pm

re: #455 Backwoods_Sleuth

What anon sources?

The ones that floated the idea he was going to be AG.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 14, 2016 • 4:51:31pm

re: #458 Nyet

The ones that floated the idea he was going to be AG.

ah

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Skip Intro  Nov 14, 2016 • 4:55:01pm

So Ghouliani’s going to be SOS and Chris Christie is A.G.?

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Timothy Watson  Nov 14, 2016 • 4:55:48pm

re: #460 Skip Intro

So Ghouliani’s going to be SOS and Chris Christie is A.G.?

Giuliani as Secretary of Homeland Security.

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CuriousLurker  Nov 14, 2016 • 4:56:37pm

re: #455 Backwoods_Sleuth

What anon sources? This is actually Rudy saying this at the WSJ CEO Council.

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Oh now they want to be fair about criticisms.

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Timothy Watson  Nov 14, 2016 • 4:58:06pm

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN  Nov 14, 2016 • 5:01:41pm

re: #456 teleskiguy

There’s a guy in my building with a license plate that reads in part 1488* . I don’t want to put the whole plate up (I don’t want to think of myself as a doxxer or something like that) but I find it hard to believe it’s just by chance.

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electrotek  Nov 14, 2016 • 5:03:02pm

Anyone know much about Richard Grenell? He’s being considered for the post to the UN, supposedly he’s gay and we all know how Trump supporters will gloat about it.

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Timothy Watson  Nov 14, 2016 • 5:03:42pm

re: #467 electrotek

Anyone know much about Richard Grenell? He’s being considered for the post to the UN, supposedly he’s gay and we all know how Trump supporters will gloat about it.

He was on Romney’s campaign until Bryan Fischer got him fired.

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The Vicious Babushka  Nov 14, 2016 • 5:05:06pm

re: #467 electrotek

Anyone know much about Richard Grenell? He’s being considered for the post to the UN, supposedly he’s gay and we all know how Trump supporters will gloat about it.

Trump does love his tokens.

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Timothy Watson  Nov 14, 2016 • 5:05:06pm

re: #466 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Honestly, what fucking qualifications does Giuliani have to be Secretary of State? He has absolutely no in-office foreign policy experience.

Although, in Trump’s Cabinet being completely unqualified for a position is a plus in his book.

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Decatur Deb  Nov 14, 2016 • 5:06:16pm

On Topic:

Today a demented robot pounded on my kidney until a 7mm stone turned to bloody beach sand, and it still wasn’t the worst day of 2016.

By far.

472
Skip Intro  Nov 14, 2016 • 5:06:26pm

Woody Allen has the right idea here.

Woody Allen on Nazis

473
electrotek  Nov 14, 2016 • 5:06:51pm

re: #468 Timothy Watson

He was on Romney’s campaign until Bryan Fischer got him fired.

Cheers. How much longer before Bryan Fischer makes a big stink about that again?

474
electrotek  Nov 14, 2016 • 5:07:38pm

BTW anyone seen this?

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Timothy Watson  Nov 14, 2016 • 5:08:00pm

re: #467 electrotek

Anyone know much about Richard Grenell? He’s being considered for the post to the UN, supposedly he’s gay and we all know how Trump supporters will gloat about it.

Grenell also worked for Bolton when Bolton was UN Ambassador.

476
Emptor scriptor Remorse  Nov 14, 2016 • 5:10:31pm

re: #471 Decatur Deb

I wish you a speedy recovery.

This too shall pass.

477
electrotek  Nov 14, 2016 • 5:11:27pm

re: #475 Timothy Watson

Grenell also worked for Bolton when Bolton was UN Ambassador.

Can’t believe I missed that, but there’s only so much information I can absorb and remember.

Thanks for helping me out man!

478
The Vicious Babushka  Nov 14, 2016 • 5:12:06pm

re: #474 electrotek

BTW anyone seen this?

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That’s insane.

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Kragar  Nov 14, 2016 • 5:13:22pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 14, 2016 • 5:13:25pm
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barf

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electrotek  Nov 14, 2016 • 5:14:21pm

re: #478 The Vicious Babushka

That’s insane.

That’s got me all riled up so much that I would be glad to go to jail to beat the snot out of that asshole that tackled him.

482
BeachDem  Nov 14, 2016 • 5:15:04pm

re: #474 electrotek

BTW anyone seen this?

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That’s at Ohiio State, in case it wasn’t clear. Sigh.

483
Decatur Deb  Nov 14, 2016 • 5:15:15pm

re: #476 Emptor scriptor Remorse

I wish you a speedy recovery.

Yeah. Gotta heal enough for Friday’s eye surgery. Did I mention 2016 sucked?

OTOH, this round of mortal catastrophes will clear before the dead-eyed granny starver gets to screw with my Medicare.

484
CuriousLurker  Nov 14, 2016 • 5:16:10pm

re: #480 Backwoods_Sleuth

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barf

Seconded. He sure as hell didn’t speak to this job holder.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 14, 2016 • 5:16:28pm
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I got nothing…

486
CuriousLurker  Nov 14, 2016 • 5:16:56pm

re: #483 Decatur Deb

Yeah. Gotta heal enough for Friday’s eye surgery. Did I mention 2016 sucked?

OTOH, this round of mortal catastrophes will clear before the dead-eyed granny starver gets to screw with my Medicare.

Yikes. Hope you recover quickly from both.

487
SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN  Nov 14, 2016 • 5:16:59pm

re: #480 Backwoods_Sleuth

I wonder how much they’ll pay her…

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BeachDem  Nov 14, 2016 • 5:17:25pm

re: #485 Backwoods_Sleuth

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I got nothing…

I got less…

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nines09  Nov 14, 2016 • 5:17:51pm

re: #474 electrotek

Expect to see more. Trump wants to hold rallies. After he’s in office. What can go wrong?

490
CuriousLurker  Nov 14, 2016 • 5:18:40pm

re: #485 Backwoods_Sleuth

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I got nothing…

Me neither…

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Decatur Deb  Nov 14, 2016 • 5:19:00pm

re: #486 CuriousLurker

Yikes. Hope you recover quickly from both.

Thanks—there’s always Thanksgiving/Christmas and the salmonella gravy.

492
Weaselone  Nov 14, 2016 • 5:20:07pm

re: #474 electrotek

BTW anyone seen this?

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It’s an example of why you want professional protesters, perhaps even paid organizers to help organize and lead these types of rallies and protests. It minimizes the chance of things getting out of hand and escalating into something ugly.

493
BeachDem  Nov 14, 2016 • 5:21:09pm

re: #485 Backwoods_Sleuth

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I got nothing…

Well, I got this:

And if all others accepted the lie which the Party imposed -if all records told the same tale — then the lie passed into history and became truth. ‘Who controls the past,’ ran the Party slogan, ‘controls the future: who controls the present controls the past.’

And yet the past, though of its nature alterable, never had been altered. Whatever was true now was true from everlasting to everlasting. It was quite simple. All that was needed was an unending series of victories over your own memory. ‘Reality control’, they called it: in Newspeak, ‘doublethink’.—1984

494
Decatur Deb  Nov 14, 2016 • 5:21:11pm

re: #492 Weaselone

It’s an example of why you want professional protesters, perhaps even paid organizers to help organize and lead these types of rallies and protests. It minimizes the chance of things getting out of hand and escalating into something ugly.

We called ours ‘shop stewards’. Things rarely got out of hand.

495
The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Nov 14, 2016 • 5:21:51pm

re: #471 Decatur Deb

On Topic:

Today a demented robot pounded on my kidney until a 7mm stone turned to bloody beach sand, and it still wasn’t the worst day of 2016.

By far.

Gah! Get well quick.

They don’t use sound waves to break up kidney stones any more?

496
Decatur Deb  Nov 14, 2016 • 5:23:26pm

re: #495 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Gah! Get well quick.

They don’t use sound waves to break up kidney stones any more?

Yup. Demented robot litho generators leave extensive bruising.

497
EPR-radar  Nov 14, 2016 • 5:24:59pm

re: #485 Backwoods_Sleuth

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I got nothing…

Holy shit. There are normal lies. Then there are the whoppers reserved for special occasions. After that, we have the totalitarian Big Lie. And now this.

A Republican lie so vast and all-consuming that it might just extinguish truth in the entire galaxy, forever.

498
CuriousLurker  Nov 14, 2016 • 5:35:19pm

re: #497 EPR-radar

Holy shit. There are normal lies. Then there are the whoppers reserved for special occasions. After that, we have the totalitarian Big Lie. And now this.

A Republican lie so vast and all-consuming that it might just extinguish truth in the entire galaxy, forever.

Bravo! That one’s going in my “Keeper” file.

499
stpaulbear  Nov 14, 2016 • 6:30:57pm

re: #454 Emptor scriptor Remorse

I highly recommend the plastic mousetraps.

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That is the exact mousetrap that I just came home with.

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Jay in Oregon  Nov 14, 2016 • 6:35:12pm

So is anyone going to follow up on that GOP office that was firebombed, that one official claimed had completed absentee ballots in it?

Anyone?

501
unproven innocence  Nov 15, 2016 • 3:11:08am

re: #366 SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN

I haven’t been out much the last couple days, but I’ve been hearing something about safety pins being a sign of solidarity. Is that a real thing going on?

I’m gonna use mine to hold a white rose. Maybe get a tat, too.

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unproven innocence  Nov 15, 2016 • 3:57:29am

re: #472 Skip Intro

Woody Allen has the right idea here.

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Video

Costume party down south:

Woody Allen- Stand up comic: Down South

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meteor  Nov 15, 2016 • 8:54:33am

re: #2 Lidane

Sean Hannity, Dumbest Person in the World.

504
Edge of a dream AKA Cankles Mccellulite  Nov 16, 2016 • 8:19:19am

re: #212 Sir John Barron

Newt: What the hell was I was doing on TV all the time defending your lame-ass? FU.

I hate that I’m in love with Lidadane.


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