Here’s Why It’s Fair—and Necessary—to Call Trump’s Chief Strategist a White Nationalist Champion

He said it himself
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David Corn is absolutely on target with this commentary, reminding us that we must resist the normalization of the alt-right we’re already seeing in US media.

Bannon is indeed a champion of white nationalists and white supremacists. And this is according to an expert on this matter: Stephen Bannon.

In July, Bannon, who soon would leave Breitbart to become a top campaign aide to Trump, was interviewed by journalist Sarah Posner. He proudly declared of Breitbart, “We’re the platform for the alt-right.” The alt-right is an extreme but not well-defined wing of the conservative movement that rants against immigrants, Muslims, the globalist agenda, and multiculturalism and that generally advocates white nationalism (if not white supremacism—in this world, there is a difference). The alt-right also generates a hefty amount of anti-Semitism. (For more on the alt-right, see here and here.)

In that interview, Bannon did claim that not all alt-righters were racists and anti-Semites. “Look, are there some people that are white nationalists that are attracted to some of the philosophies of the alt-right?” he said. “Maybe. Are there some people that are anti-Semitic that are attracted? Maybe. Right? Maybe some people are attracted to the alt-right that are homophobes, right? But that’s just like, there are certain elements of the progressive left and the hard left that attract certain elements.” But that was whitewashing. How do we know? Because of Breitbart’s own coverage.

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nines09  Nov 15, 2016 • 10:31:50am

Sounds like a real story in there. A dangerous man in a position of power and influence in an administration who hasn’t even taken office yet and has alienated allies of ours. Maybe the press should pull out the stops and do some investigative journalism and splash it all over Page 1 in bold type for about the time it takes to remove this tumor.
Did someone say something about more emails? Nevermind. I don’t expect the media, outside of a few strong brave souls, to do much. They need passes to kiss the ass of King Pimp.

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Belafon  Nov 15, 2016 • 10:35:15am

re: #1 nines09

That’s why we have to reward those papers and news organizations that do go after Trump.

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Charles Johnson  Nov 15, 2016 • 10:35:55am
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Charles Johnson  Nov 15, 2016 • 10:36:22am
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Charles Johnson  Nov 15, 2016 • 10:36:47am
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HappyWarrior  Nov 15, 2016 • 10:37:22am

re: #3 Charles Johnson

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This fucking guy.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 15, 2016 • 10:37:51am

re: #4 Charles Johnson

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That son of a bitch.

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nines09  Nov 15, 2016 • 10:38:11am

re: #2 Belafon

“For God so loved the world he…..read the comments……and………Nevermind.”

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HappyWarrior  Nov 15, 2016 • 10:38:15am

Oh man now I just feel sad all over again. Fucking Comey.

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Charles Johnson  Nov 15, 2016 • 10:39:01am

re: #3 Charles Johnson

When a guy like Snowden who’s a hero to millennials with more than 2 million Twitter followers and even more on Facebook tells people, “Hey, go ahead and vote third party! It’s cool!” … there’s absolutely no doubt that he helped elect Donald Trump.

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lawhawk  Nov 15, 2016 • 10:39:53am

re: #10 Charles Johnson

Snowden’s comments probably sounded better in the original Russian.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 15, 2016 • 10:40:27am

re: #10 Charles Johnson

When a guy like Snowden who’s a hero to millennials with more than 2 million Twitter followers and even more on Facebook tells people, “Hey, go ahead and vote third party! It’s cool!” … there’s absolutely no doubt that he helped elect Donald Trump.

This millennial has never liked Snowden but he’s definitely a hero with many. I’m also weird in that I never fell for Ron Paul or Bernie Sanders the way many have too.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 15, 2016 • 10:40:35am

reposting from downstairs since it’s on topic:

“Breitbart News Network, a pro-America, conservative website, is preparing a multi-million dollar lawsuit against a major media company for its baseless and defamatory claim that Breitbart News is a ‘white nationalist website,’” the statement reads.

“Breitbart News cannot allow such vicious racial lies to go unchallenged, especially by cynical, politically-motivated competitors seeking to diminish its 42 million monthly readers and its number one in the world political Facebook page. Breitbart News rejects racism in all its varied and ugly forms. Always has, always will,” the statement continues.

“The diversity of the company’s news coverage and its staff continue to embody Andrew Breitbart’s colorblind, distinctly American commitment to ‘E pluribus unum’—out of many, one.”

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HappyWarrior  Nov 15, 2016 • 10:41:07am

re: #11 lawhawk

Snowden’s comments probably sounded better in the original Russian.

Мне нравится водку, голосовать Трампа.

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nines09  Nov 15, 2016 • 10:41:31am

re: #10 Charles Johnson

But if you listen to them same people on Twitter they had nothing to do with it. Their consciences are clear. Hillary was flawed. They are innocent. They can sleep well now. Morals and all.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 15, 2016 • 10:41:44am

re: #13 Backwoods_Sleuth

and the harpie from up north has an opinion:

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lawhawk  Nov 15, 2016 • 10:42:46am

I know it’s early for an OT, but I know a few people were trying to figure out health insurance coverage for 2017. Just got an email from Costco indicating that they have health insurance plans for individuals.

Might be worth checking to see if this helps if the ACA marketplace plans were too costly and didn’t have sufficient subsidies.

costcoquote.com

We now return to our regularly scheduled programming.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 15, 2016 • 10:42:59am

re: #15 nines09

But if you listen to them same people on Twitter they had nothing to do with it. Their consciences are clear. Hillary was flawed. They are innocent. They can sleep well now. Morals and all.

Some of the BoBers I know are trying to say get together and shit and I just want to say FU to them considering they did everything possible to falsely equate Trump and Clinton because Clinton had the audacity to run to win against Bernie and more over the DNC had the nerve to favor someone that’s been part of their party for a long time. I could understand the outrage if SAnders were a lifelong Dem but he’s not and yes that matters.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 15, 2016 • 10:43:27am

re: #16 Backwoods_Sleuth

and the harpie from up north has an opinion:

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Not surprised from the book banner, Sarah doesn’t like the 1st amendment.

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The Vicious Babushka  Nov 15, 2016 • 10:44:09am

re: #17 lawhawk

I know it’s early for an OT, but I know a few people were trying to figure out health insurance coverage for 2017. Just got an email from Costco indicating that they have health insurance plans for individuals.

Might be worth checking to see if this helps if the ACA marketplace plans were too costly and didn’t have sufficient subsidies.

costcoquote.com

We now return to our regularly scheduled programming.

In addition to Obamacare repeal, Paul Ryan is throwing in Medicare repeal at no extra charge.

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retired cynic  Nov 15, 2016 • 10:44:22am

I signed up for NYT, and will also for WP. Gotta keep after them.

IMO, a LOT of things caused the disaster, but the one that was the most horrifying was Comey. That alone would have done it; the others would have just increased the margin in her favor.

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Big Beautiful Door  Nov 15, 2016 • 10:44:52am

re: #13 Backwoods_Sleuth

reposting from downstairs since it’s on topic:

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Please sue, Breitbart. Lets turn that rock over with discovery and see what’s squirming underneath.

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nines09  Nov 15, 2016 • 10:45:21am
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HappyWarrior  Nov 15, 2016 • 10:45:25am

re: #21 retired cynic

I signed up for NYT, and will also for WP. Gotta keep after them.

IMO, a LOT of things caused the disaster, but the one that was the most horrifying was Comey. That alone would have done it; the others would have just increased the margin in her favor.

Jim Comey is a name that will go down in infamy. Really, what he did was pathetic and it really does appear to have influenced the election. Disgraceful.

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Decatur Deb  Nov 15, 2016 • 10:45:37am

re: #17 lawhawk

I know it’s early for an OT, but I know a few people were trying to figure out health insurance coverage for 2017. Just got an email from Costco indicating that they have health insurance plans for individuals.

Might be worth checking to see if this helps if the ACA marketplace plans were too costly and didn’t have sufficient subsidies.

costcoquote.com

We now return to our regularly scheduled programming.

When Wife and I trained as navigators, we opened dummy ACA accounts for training exercises. We’ve been getting solicitations ever since, including today. Apparently they’re mucking on in the face of McConnell and Ryan’s threat.

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retired cynic  Nov 15, 2016 • 10:46:12am

re: #24 HappyWarrior

Jim Comey is a name that will go down in infamy. Really, what he did was pathetic and it really does appear to have influenced the election. Disgraceful.

It ought to go down in a Hatch Violation!!!

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FormerDirtDart  Nov 15, 2016 • 10:47:52am

“…The three rental buildings — at 140, 160 and 180 Riverside Blvd. — will be renamed for their street addresses, landlord Equity Residential said Tuesday in an e-mail. “We are assuming a more neutral building identity that will appeal to all current and future residents,” the Chicago-based company said. The Trump Place name is emblazoned on the apartment buildings in gold letters, which are set to be removed this week…”

“…Equity Residential spokesman Marty McKenna said Tuesday that the company had a contractual obligation regarding the use of the name, and that the period of the contract has ended. The landlord has never paid the Trump Organization for use of the name, McKenna said in an e-mail…”

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Big Beautiful Door  Nov 15, 2016 • 10:48:48am

re: #25 Decatur Deb

When Wife and I trained as navigators, we opened dummy ACA accounts for training exercises. We’ve been getting solicitations ever since, including today. Apparently they’re mucking on in the face of McConnell and Ryan’s threat.

The dog has caught the car. Is the GOP ready to face the political firestorm of taking healthcare coverage away from 20 million Americans?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 15, 2016 • 10:51:40am

re: #28 Big Beautiful Door

The dog has caught the car. Is the GOP ready to face the political firestorm of taking healthcare coverage away from 20 million Americans?

Not just taking it away from 20 million Americans, but screwing everyone else when the ACA protections like pre-existing conditions and lifetime caps disappear.

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The Vicious Babushka  Nov 15, 2016 • 10:52:36am

re: #28 Big Beautiful Door

The dog has caught the car. Is the GOP ready to face the political firestorm of taking healthcare coverage away from 20 million Americans?

It will be more than 20 million because Paul Ryan is taking away Medicare as well.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 15, 2016 • 10:54:15am

re: #29 Backwoods_Sleuth

Not just taking it away from 20 million Americans, but screwing everyone else when the ACA protections like pre-existing conditions and lifetime caps disappear.

The pre-existing conditions being done away with worries me and Ryan probably wanting to cut social services that have helped make employment finding easier for me. Now ot be fair a lot of them are on the state level but we got a gubernatorial election coming up too.

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Sir John Barron  Nov 15, 2016 • 10:55:29am

re: #19 HappyWarrior

Not surprised from the book banner, Sarah doesn’t like the 1st amendment.

But if Obama or some liberal website had threatened to sue then….TYRANNY!

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lawhawk  Nov 15, 2016 • 10:56:14am

re: #30 The Vicious Babushka

And health care costs will balloon because Medicare forces costs down by negotiating power of millions of people - 55 million in fact.

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FormerDirtDart  Nov 15, 2016 • 10:56:42am
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HappyWarrior  Nov 15, 2016 • 10:57:20am

Well I did it. I decided to stop following my friend on facebook. He posted something really stupid that if the Dems had a majority in both houses that it would reflect what Trump’s doing. Yeah dude because that’s totally what happened when the Dems did have a majority in Congress eight years ago when you didn’t pay attention to politics. Sigh. This is one of my best friends and this is the only way I can deal with it without telling him that he’s being a dishonest hack. Sigh, god help me.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 15, 2016 • 10:57:42am
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HappyWarrior  Nov 15, 2016 • 10:58:01am

re: #34 FormerDirtDart

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HappyWarrior  Nov 15, 2016 • 10:58:23am

re: #36 Backwoods_Sleuth

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And by big he means fucking people over just like his hero Ayn Rand would have wanted.

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Charles Johnson  Nov 15, 2016 • 10:59:04am
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Big Beautiful Door  Nov 15, 2016 • 11:00:09am

re: #30 The Vicious Babushka

It will be more than 20 million because Paul Ryan is taking away Medicare as well.

That is something all middle class Americans can unite to fight. Ryan will find out that a huge block of Republican voters will be extremely upset if he tries to voucherize their medicare.

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The Vicious Babushka  Nov 15, 2016 • 11:02:08am

re: #40 Big Beautiful Door

That is something all middle class Americans can unite to fight. Ryan will find out that a huge block of Republican voters will be extremely upset if he tries to voucherize their medicare.

He laugh and say SUX 2BU

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HappyWarrior  Nov 15, 2016 • 11:02:14am

re: #40 Big Beautiful Door

That is something all middle class Americans can unite to fight. Ryan will find out that a huge block of Republican voters will be extremely upset if he tries to voucherize their medicare.

Hopefully it leads to a lot of backlash. I’d love to see Ryan have what happened to Tom Foley in 1994 and that’s become a rare speaker that lost his job. I’d like ot see him at least sweat and deal with angry people in his crowds so the little Rand fan boy might think twice about fucking people over to satisfy his fucked up desires.

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Sir John Barron  Nov 15, 2016 • 11:02:45am

re: #36 Backwoods_Sleuth

BREAKING: House Republicans nominate Paul Ryan speaker for next Congress.
— The Associated Press

They must really hate him.

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nines09  Nov 15, 2016 • 11:02:46am
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leftynyc  Nov 15, 2016 • 11:03:09am

Hey Charles, just became a subscriber - I realized I’m coming here more and more in the last 6 months as LGF is a refuge from the utter insanity that is happening in our country. I’m surrounded by NYers who are so angry, so depressed, so aggravated that this carnival barker has been elected that I’m pointing them here for their reality check. Thanks for all you do.

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Charles Johnson  Nov 15, 2016 • 11:03:25am
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leftynyc  Nov 15, 2016 • 11:03:58am

re: #2 Belafon

That’s why we have to reward those papers and news organizations that do go after Trump.

I’d be happy to. Do you know any?

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Charles Johnson  Nov 15, 2016 • 11:04:04am

re: #45 leftynyc

Hey Charles, just became a subscriber - I realized I’m coming here more and more in the last 6 months as LGF is a refuge from the utter insanity that is happening in our country. I’m surrounded by NYers who are so angry, so depressed, so aggravated that this carnival barker has been elected that I’m pointing them here for their reality check. Thanks for all you do.

Thank you very much for subscribing!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 15, 2016 • 11:04:17am

OTOH, Rand always likes to be the resident contrarian no matter the topic.

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nines09  Nov 15, 2016 • 11:04:47am

re: #49 Backwoods_Sleuth

Untouchable.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 15, 2016 • 11:05:00am

re: #49 Backwoods_Sleuth

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OTOH, Rand always likes to be the resident contrarian no matter the topic.

Aww Rand thinks that’s going to get him points.

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Decatur Deb  Nov 15, 2016 • 11:06:00am

re: #28 Big Beautiful Door

The dog has caught the car. Is the GOP ready to face the political firestorm of taking healthcare coverage away from 20 million Americans?

With maybe 80 million friends and family, all to satisfy a pack of Freeper nuts.

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Sir John Barron  Nov 15, 2016 • 11:06:24am

re: #36 Backwoods_Sleuth

It is a tremendous honor to be nominated by my colleagues to serve as Speaker of the House. Now it’s time to go big. pic.twitter.com
— Paul Ryan

Bigly. Race to the bottom goes national.

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Belafon  Nov 15, 2016 • 11:06:27am

re: #47 leftynyc

I’d be happy to. Do you know any?

The two that dogged Trump during the election work for the Washington Post and Time Magazine Newsweek.

Fixed.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 15, 2016 • 11:06:54am

re: #54 Belafon

The two that dogged Trump during the election work for the Washington Post and Time Magazine.

Thought that was Newsweek. Didn’t see much from Time.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 15, 2016 • 11:07:25am

Ryan was renominated unanimously. They’re all friends now.

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Sir John Barron  Nov 15, 2016 • 11:07:31am

re: #49 Backwoods_Sleuth

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OTOH, Rand always likes to be the resident contrarian no matter the topic.

OK, Ron Paul for SoS.

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Belafon  Nov 15, 2016 • 11:07:35am

re: #51 HappyWarrior

Aww Rand thinks that’s going to get him points.

As much fun as it might seem, I’ll take any of the Republicans opposing these guys.

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Myron Falwell (no relation)  Nov 15, 2016 • 11:07:42am

Instagram

It’s so good to be back in the loving, compassionate United States of America.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 15, 2016 • 11:07:45am

re: #33 lawhawk

And health care costs will balloon because Medicare forces costs down by negotiating power of millions of people - 55 million in fact.

Because a “level playing field” to Paul Ryan means that individual and families with limited incomes and assets get to negotiate one-to-one with multi-million/billion-dollar companies for terms of insurance coverage.

Because that is what the Free Market calls for. Anything else is creeping socialism.

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Belafon  Nov 15, 2016 • 11:08:06am

re: #55 HappyWarrior

Thought that was Newsweek. Didn’t see much from Time.

You’re right. Fixed it.

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lawhawk  Nov 15, 2016 • 11:08:28am

And now, there’s word that ALEC stalwart and extremist Kris Kobach may be tapped for AG.

This aint good at all.

twitter.com

He’s got a very long history of rolling back civil and voting rights. And he’s been featured at LGF in the past for his extremist ways.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 15, 2016 • 11:08:37am

re: #58 Belafon

As much fun as it might seem, I’ll take any of the Republicans opposing these guys.

Oh I will too. I just have no respect for Rand Paul.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 15, 2016 • 11:09:07am

re: #62 lawhawk

And now, there’s word that ALEC stalwart and extremist Kris Kobach may be tapped for AG.

This aint good at all.

twitter.com

He’s got a very long history of rolling back civil and voting rights. And he’s been featured at LGF in the past for his extremist ways.

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Kobach. Jesus Christ. Hey thanks for giving him credibility there Mitt.

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Charles Johnson  Nov 15, 2016 • 11:09:27am
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HappyWarrior  Nov 15, 2016 • 11:09:38am

re: #61 Belafon

You’re right. Fixed it.

I always remember Time because Luce was quite right wing back in the day.

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thecommodore  Nov 15, 2016 • 11:10:07am

Don’t know if someone has posted this or not, but it looks like the “snowflakes” have taken The Donald’s advice (h/t Seth MacFarlane):

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 15, 2016 • 11:10:30am
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Sir John Barron  Nov 15, 2016 • 11:11:14am

re: #62 lawhawk

And now, there’s word that ALEC stalwart and extremist Kris Kobach may be tapped for AG.

This aint good at all.

twitter.com

He’s got a very long history of rolling back civil and voting rights. And he’s been featured at LGF in the past for his extremist ways.

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“Hey Black people, LGBT, vote for Trump. What do you have to lose?”

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HappyWarrior  Nov 15, 2016 • 11:12:53am

If Kobach is being considered for DOJ. I don’t even want to know what these guys have in mind for the Supreme Court.

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Big Beautiful Door  Nov 15, 2016 • 11:13:40am

re: #52 Decatur Deb

With maybe 80 million friends and family, all to satisfy a pack of Freeper nuts.

I think its possible that Obamacare survives largely intact, because the Insane Caucus will prevent the House GOP from passing “replace” to go with “repeal.” The problem is that exchanges could start to break down as insurers bail out due to the uncertainty. Its conceivable that if the House Democrats play it right, a bill could pass with some adjustments to the ACA so that the GOP has the fig leaf of claiming it “repealed and replaced” Obamacare. We can only wait and watch to see what happens; the GOP will find out that there is a big difference between governing and obstructing.

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electrotek  Nov 15, 2016 • 11:14:35am

It amazes me about people’s historical amnesia about Trump, even here in Dallas.

A lot of the Trump supporters here have forgot about his reaction to the Garland cartoon exhibit by what I call the Three Stooges of Islamophobia. I pointed out how he actually condemned them for “taunting Muslims”, and that’s even with a Fox News interview doing so, and they still can’t realize that.

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Decatur Deb  Nov 15, 2016 • 11:14:41am

re: #48 Charles Johnson

Thank you very much for subscribing!

I deliberately don’t subscribe because I’d miss the cute Asian girls who like older men.

(Actually, I do use the tipjar, so you can get ad revenue too.)

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Citizen K  Nov 15, 2016 • 11:14:48am

re: #70 HappyWarrior

If Kobach is being considered for DOJ. I don’t even want to know what these guys have in mind for the Supreme Court.

Why not David Duke? Just stop hiding what they are, since no one can stop them anyway?

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Charles Johnson  Nov 15, 2016 • 11:15:34am

Here we go.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 15, 2016 • 11:15:41am

re: #72 electrotek

It amazes me about people’s historical amnesia about Trump, even here in Dallas.

A lot of the Trump supporters here have forgot about his reaction to the Garland cartoon exhibit by what I call the Three Stooges of Islamophobia. I pointed out how he actually condemned them for “taunting Muslims”, and that’s even with a Fox News interview doing so, and they still can’t realize that.

And yet people I talk to even some who admit tehy don’t like him say that he’s honest about who he is and what he stands for. NO, he’s not. He’s a blatant opportunist.

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Bass Reeves  Nov 15, 2016 • 11:15:58am

re: #72 electrotek

Can’t look it up (at work), but are you saying he was anti-Islamphobia at the time?

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HappyWarrior  Nov 15, 2016 • 11:16:00am

re: #74 Citizen K

Why not David Duke? Just stop hiding what they are, since no one can stop them anyway?

Yeah why the hell not at this point.

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scottslemmons  Nov 15, 2016 • 11:16:23am

re: #28 Big Beautiful Door

The dog has caught the car. Is the GOP ready to face the political firestorm of taking healthcare coverage away from 20 million Americans?

If they do pull the trigger, what’ll happen to them? They’ve got years to dodge the shrapnel and find someone else to blame. They’ll be suppressing the vote of non-whites and likely Democrats. They might get a few people yelling at them, briefly, and then they’ll be re-elected again.

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electrotek  Nov 15, 2016 • 11:16:36am

re: #76 HappyWarrior

And yet people I talk to even some who admit tehy don’t like him say that he’s honest about who he is and what he stands for. NO, he’s not. He’s a blatant opportunist.

I’m not going to lie. At that time, I commended him for condemning those idiots with their provocative act and even he got a lot of flack from the far-right for bowing down to Islam lol

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Decatur Deb  Nov 15, 2016 • 11:18:06am

re: #54 Belafon

The two that dogged Trump during the election work for the Washington Post and Time Magazine Newsweek.

Fixed.

The NY Daily News (bless their souls) were the most out-front. I remember them mostly as the ‘bad’ Dem paper of the 60s, voice of the Hardhat anti-kid movement.

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Big Beautiful Door  Nov 15, 2016 • 11:18:51am

re: #79 scottslemmons

If they do pull the trigger, what’ll happen to them? They’ve got years to dodge the shrapnel and find someone else to blame. They’ll be suppressing the vote of non-whites and likely Democrats. They might get a few people yelling at them, briefly, and then they’ll be re-elected again.

We’ll see, because right now Trump is saying repeal has to be accompanied by replace, and I don’t think the House GOP can unite around a replace bill.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 15, 2016 • 11:19:31am

re: #80 electrotek

I’m not going to lie. At that time, I commended him for condemning those idiots with their provocative act and even he got a lot of flack from the far-right for bowing down to Islam lol

I honestly don’t remember it. He’s just so confusing. I just don’t know how anyone can look at him and see a straight shooter.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 15, 2016 • 11:20:09am

re: #82 Big Beautiful Door

We’ll see, because right now Trump is saying repeal has to be accompanied by replace, and I don’t think the House GOP can unite around a replace bill.

This actually makes it sound like Trump is being the smarter party between him and Congressional Republicans then.

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Charles Johnson  Nov 15, 2016 • 11:20:23am
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HappyWarrior  Nov 15, 2016 • 11:21:08am

re: #85 Charles Johnson

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What a bunch of childish dipshits.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 15, 2016 • 11:21:14am
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Sir John Barron  Nov 15, 2016 • 11:21:14am

re: #84 HappyWarrior

This actually makes it sound like Trump is being the smarter party between him and Congressional Republicans then.

Frightening, isn’t it?

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Decatur Deb  Nov 15, 2016 • 11:21:20am

re: #82 Big Beautiful Door

We’ll see, because right now Trump is saying repeal has to be accompanied by replace, and I don’t think the House GOP can unite around a replace bill.

Perhaps Trump’s first veto will be a GOP defunding of ACA because it has no replacement provisions.

(Remember, I’m on pain meds.)

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HappyWarrior  Nov 15, 2016 • 11:22:28am

re: #87 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Run, Dr. Lizardo, run! My cousins will keep you safe in Jarabina.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 15, 2016 • 11:22:59am

re: #88 Sir John Barron

Frightening, isn’t it?

Quite. He may be more pragmatic minded on a lot of them on some social policies too.

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Dr. Matt  Nov 15, 2016 • 11:23:27am

re: #36 Backwoods_Sleuth

It is a tremendous honor to be nominated by my colleagues to serve as Speaker of the House. Now it’s time to go big. pic.twitter.com

— Paul Ryan (@SpeakerRyan) November 15, 2016

When Eddie Munster says “it’s time to go big”, he means: Let’s royally fuck over the idiots that voted for Trump by cutting their medicaid, SS, medicare, etc…..and sadly, they will be happy because “they won”.

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thecommodore  Nov 15, 2016 • 11:24:21am

A post from the Facebook group “Pantsuit Nation:”

My friend’s wife campaigned for Obama and for Hillary. She joined a call with him today and he shared a few excerpts:
- Your President feels your pain.
- Surprising losses are worse than the ones you see coming.
- Progress doesn’t always follow a straight line.
- I’m giving you a whole week and a half to get over this. But come Thanksgiving, it’s time to stop moping and get organizing - something I know a little about.
- I’m constrained in what I can do until I’m a private citizen.
- But come February (maybe a little later after a vacation), Michelle and I will be right there with you.
- In the meantime, stay involved locally.
- I’m still fired up and I’m still ready to go.
ETA: Please feel free to share this post with other groups if you like, but don’t include my personal information or share directly from PSN. Thanks!

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Kragar  Nov 15, 2016 • 11:24:34am
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Big Beautiful Door  Nov 15, 2016 • 11:24:39am

re: #84 HappyWarrior

This actually makes it sound like Trump is being the smarter party between him and Congressional Republicans then.

Trump promised to cover everyone for less money with his bright shiny new plan. Just repealing Obamacare doesn’t get the job done.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 15, 2016 • 11:24:53am

re: #92 Dr. Matt

When Eddie Munster says “it’s time to go big”, he means: Let’s royally fuck over the idiots that voted for Trump by cutting their medicaid, SS, medicare, etc…..and sadly, they will be happy because “they won”.

They will of course be for a time and then when things go south, the Republicans will do what they always do and blame the Democrats and sadly a lot of these people will fall for it AGAIN.

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electrotek  Nov 15, 2016 • 11:25:43am

re: #83 HappyWarrior

I honestly don’t remember it. He’s just so confusing. I just don’t know how anyone can look at him and see a straight shooter.

May 2015, he accused Pamela Geller of “taunting Muslims” in Fox & Friends. Even back then not everybody on Fox News was on board with Pamela Geller for that stunt.

And the tweets:

Yeah, twilight zone man.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 15, 2016 • 11:25:57am

So have any other staff been named outside Bannon and Preibus?

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BeachDem  Nov 15, 2016 • 11:26:24am

re: #54 Belafon

The two that dogged Trump during the election work for the Washington Post and Time Magazine Newsweek.

Fixed.

Yeah, the WP and Time were on his crap—not understanding the love for the NYT, which ran a ton of horrible crap about the Clinton Foundation, some really bogus stuff about the “investigations,” some seriously ridiculous articles after some of the debates (which they kept changing without mentioning that there were changes and finally pulled and replaced with other articles), kept the Comey crap front and center, and is the home of Maureen Dowd.

I’d give more credit to the Huffington Post, which, although they have a ton of bullshit, has been relentless from the beginning against Trump.

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Myron Falwell (no relation)  Nov 15, 2016 • 11:26:25am

re: #82 Big Beautiful Door

We’ll see, because right now Trump is saying repeal has to be accompanied by replace, and I don’t think the House GOP can unite around a replace bill.

That might well happen. Of course the GOP never gave two shits about the “replace” portion because that would take brainpower.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 15, 2016 • 11:26:28am

re: #97 electrotek

May 2015, he accused Pamela Geller of “taunting Muslims” in Fox & Friends. Even back then not everybody on Fox News was on board with Pamela Geller for that stunt.

And the tweets:

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Yeah, twilight zone man.

Man, that’s insane.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 15, 2016 • 11:27:40am

re: #79 scottslemmons

If they do pull the trigger, what’ll happen to them? They’ve got years to dodge the shrapnel and find someone else to blame. They’ll be suppressing the vote of non-whites and likely Democrats. They might get a few people yelling at them, briefly, and then they’ll be re-elected again.

You sum up my most *optimistic* scenario. We are living in the Great American Idiocracy and the Alternate Media Reality: DT can screw up more bigly than he ever did in business and be praised for it, while we happily accept the offer of scapegoats in the form of minorities, foreign interests, liberal media and (((bankers)))

It will take years and years for the true damage to come to light or at least to be made clear to the majority of Americans.

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electrotek  Nov 15, 2016 • 11:28:04am

re: #77 Bass Reeves

Can’t look it up (at work), but are you saying he was anti-Islamphobia at the time?

Yeah, he was extremely harsh on Pamela Geller for that stunt. Even I was shocked.

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Kragar  Nov 15, 2016 • 11:28:19am
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Weaselone  Nov 15, 2016 • 11:28:54am

re: #84 HappyWarrior

This actually makes it sound like Trump is being the smarter party between him and Congressional Republicans then.

Honestly, the actual Republicans may be more dangerous than Trump. We keep harping on the fact that we most likely put a fascist in the White House, but keep forgetting that the Republicans in Congress may be as bad or worse than he is.

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Sherlock Hound  Nov 15, 2016 • 11:29:35am

re: #93 thecommodore

Yeah, I listened to the call yesterday. It’s here:

President Obama’s Call With Supporters

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jaunte  Nov 15, 2016 • 11:29:40am

re: #82 Big Beautiful Door

We’ll see, because right now Trump is saying repeal has to be accompanied by replace, and I don’t think the House GOP can unite around a replace bill.

They haven’t yet thought of the language to use to tell everyone with pre-existing conditions that they’ll just have settle for whatever life they have left when they can’t get insured.

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gocart mozart  Nov 15, 2016 • 11:29:50am
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electrotek  Nov 15, 2016 • 11:29:54am

re: #101 HappyWarrior

Man, that’s insane.

And I was very afraid for myself so I didn’t even go out for a couple of weeks after that happened. I was already living under the edge after the Charlie Hebdo attacks occurred, which immediately got me off Facebook for 7 months. I didn’t even want to see the reaction to that on my FB because I didn’t want to go through what I did in early 2006 over the stupid Danish cartoon protests and its aftermath.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 15, 2016 • 11:29:55am

re: #104 Kragar

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I have to confess I’m a ltitle worried about my brother. I don’t know if he’s turning right wing or not but he seems a little insensitive to how racism, homophobia, and sexism effect their targets. Not worried about my other brother(father of my niece) since he’s actually probably the most empathetic of any of us towards people of other cultural backgrounds to be completely honest.

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The Vicious Babushka  Nov 15, 2016 • 11:30:07am

re: #82 Big Beautiful Door

We’ll see, because right now Trump is saying repeal has to be accompanied by replace, and I don’t think the House GOP can unite around a replace bill.

Trump wants to be adulated and worshipped by the masses, and it will be hard to sustain that if the first thing that happens with his administration, even before deporting all the illeagles & containing all the inner city African-Americans, is taking away the healthcare of millions of people who voted for him.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 15, 2016 • 11:30:22am

re: #105 Weaselone

Honestly, the actual Republicans may be more dangerous than Trump. We keep harping on the fact that we most likely put a fascist in the White House, but keep forgetting that the Republicans in Congress may be as bad or worse than he is.

Yes and the two combined together could be don’t even want to think about it.

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BeachDem  Nov 15, 2016 • 11:32:17am

re: #91 HappyWarrior

Quite. He may be more pragmatic minded on a lot of them on some social policies too.

Correct me if I’m wrong, but he’s said he wants to keep the pre-existing conditions part and the kids stay on their parents’ plan part, but he hasn’t mentioned the mandate, which the GOP has been after since day one, so how is he going to fund his new “plan?”

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Barefoot Grin  Nov 15, 2016 • 11:32:31am

re: #105 Weaselone

Honestly, the actual Republicans may be more dangerous than Trump. We keep harping on the fact that we most likely put a fascist in the White House, but keep forgetting that the Republicans in Congress may be as bad or worse than he is.

This is a great point. Even if he’s an empty vessel, he’s still a vessel for what is now an extremely right-wing party.

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Decatur Deb  Nov 15, 2016 • 11:32:41am

re: #93 thecommodore

A post from the Facebook group “Pantsuit Nation:”

Best news of the day.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 15, 2016 • 11:33:20am

re: #111 The Vicious Babushka

Trump wants to be adulated and worshipped by the masses, and it will be hard to sustain that if the first thing that happens with his administration, even before deporting all the illeagles & containing all the inner city African-Americans, is taking away the healthcare of millions of people who voted for him.

You have highlighted the only possible source of good news in the future: that Trump will do a lot of things to make himself popular even at the expense of GOP ideology with regards to social issues. And health care is also a social issue…

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HappyWarrior  Nov 15, 2016 • 11:33:34am

re: #113 BeachDem

Correct me if I’m wrong, but he’s said he wants to keep the pre-existing conditions part and the kids stay on their parents’ plan part, but he hasn’t mentioned the mandate, which the GOP has been after since day one, so how is he going to fund his new “plan?”

I honestly have no idea.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 15, 2016 • 11:34:10am

re: #113 BeachDem

Correct me if I’m wrong, but he’s said he wants to keep the pre-existing conditions part and the kids stay on their parents’ plan part, but he hasn’t mentioned the mandate, which the GOP has been after since day one, so how is he going to fund his new “plan?”

tax cuts, of course…

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ObserverArt  Nov 15, 2016 • 11:34:26am

re: #42 HappyWarrior

Hopefully it leads to a lot of backlash. I’d love to see Ryan have what happened to Tom Foley in 1994 and that’s become a rare speaker that lost his job. I’d like ot see him at least sweat and deal with angry people in his crowds so the little Rand fan boy might think twice about fucking people over to satisfy his fucked up desires.

Sounds to me like the whole party is going into bunker mentality mode. Refusing to speak to reporters is a first sign. I doubt they do much actual talking to people…they will be talking at them.

They will let their supporters become the flying monkeys that will be used to shut down any talks, meetings, speeches, protests. A lot of them are already at work and they don’t even know it. Useful fools. Twitter, comments sections, etc.; if you think they are/were bad before, it will be worse.

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lawhawk  Nov 15, 2016 • 11:35:46am
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Charles Johnson  Nov 15, 2016 • 11:37:25am

re: #113 BeachDem

Correct me if I’m wrong, but he’s said he wants to keep the pre-existing conditions part and the kids stay on their parents’ plan part, but he hasn’t mentioned the mandate, which the GOP has been after since day one, so how is he going to fund his new “plan?”

How is he going to fund anything he’s proposing? His whole campaign was based on absurd pie-in-the-sky promises he can’t possibly keep, designed to appeal to the lowest common denominator of the right because he knew they were so degraded by years of indoctrination they’d believe anything.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 15, 2016 • 11:38:02am

re: #121 Charles Johnson

How is going to fund anything he’s proposing? His whole campaign was based on absurd pie-in-the-sky promises he can’t possibly keep, designed to appeal to the lowest common denominator of the right because he knew they were so degraded by years of indoctrination they’d believe anything.

It’s everything the right said and mocked about Obama running on just hope and change except Obama had actual plans.

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Citizen K  Nov 15, 2016 • 11:38:47am

re: #121 Charles Johnson

How is going to fund anything he’s proposing? His whole campaign was based on absurd pie-in-the-sky promises he can’t possibly keep, designed to appeal to the lowest common denominator of the right because he knew they were so degraded by years of indoctrination they’d believe anything.

He’s promising to keep the pre-conditions part…while aiming to strip away everything that allows the pre-existing conditions part to work. That’s fundamentally no different in result than striking it to begin with. He’s playing a shell game that sadly many will fall for anyway.

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The Vicious Babushka  Nov 15, 2016 • 11:38:54am

I can see how they will sell this.

“You have to give up your healthcare TEMPORARILY until we can figure out just what the hell is going on!”

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HappyWarrior  Nov 15, 2016 • 11:40:06am

re: #123 Citizen K

He’s promising to keep the pre-conditions part…while aiming to strip away everything that allows the pre-existing conditions part to work. That’s fundamentally no different in result than striking it to begin with. He’s playing a shell game that sadly many will fall for anyway.

I’m confused. Are you saying the mandate is what allows for the ban on pre-existing conditions being denied or am I misunderstanding you?

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BeachDem  Nov 15, 2016 • 11:40:06am

re: #121 Charles Johnson

How is going to fund anything he’s proposing? His whole campaign was based on absurd pie-in-the-sky promises he can’t possibly keep, designed to appeal to the lowest common denominator of the right because he knew they were so degraded by years of indoctrination they’d believe anything.

Well, when you put it THAT way//

But I’m becoming distressed that he’s being given credit for wanting to do something “good” about Obamacare, when it’s the same the crap the GOP has been spewing—we’re going to keep the good parts, get rid of the bad parts and the magic unicorn in the sky will pay for it.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 15, 2016 • 11:40:15am

re: #113 BeachDem

Correct me if I’m wrong, but he’s said he wants to keep the pre-existing conditions part and the kids stay on their parents’ plan part, but he hasn’t mentioned the mandate, which the GOP has been after since day one, so how is he going to fund his new “plan?”

People with pre-existing conditions get to buy prohibitively expensive high risk pool coverage.

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Big Beautiful Door  Nov 15, 2016 • 11:40:41am

re: #113 BeachDem

Correct me if I’m wrong, but he’s said he wants to keep the pre-existing conditions part and the kids stay on their parents’ plan part, but he hasn’t mentioned the mandate, which the GOP has been after since day one, so how is he going to fund his new “plan?”

With unicorn rainbow farts, of course.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 15, 2016 • 11:40:58am

re: #127 Backwoods_Sleuth

People with pre-existing conditions get to buy prohibitively expensive high risk pool coverage.

Hoo-fucking-ray.//

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Franklin  Nov 15, 2016 • 11:41:06am

re: #113 BeachDem

Correct me if I’m wrong, but he’s said he wants to keep the pre-existing conditions part and the kids stay on their parents’ plan part, but he hasn’t mentioned the mandate, which the GOP has been after since day one, so how is he going to fund his new “plan?”

The mandate is required if you keep preexisting conditions. Otherwise you would only buy insurance if you got sick. Like allowing you to get car insurance after you wrap your car around a tree.

or this…

re: #127 Backwoods_Sleuth

People with pre-existing conditions get to buy prohibitively expensive high risk pool coverage.

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BeachDem  Nov 15, 2016 • 11:42:26am

re: #127 Backwoods_Sleuth

People with pre-existing conditions get to buy prohibitively expensive high risk pool coverage.

Yep—and we’ve already discussed just how well that works out. Sigh.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 15, 2016 • 11:43:09am

According to a representative for shoes.com, the website dropped her products because they “were not selling well.” cleveland.com reports the move was a response to the #GrabYourWallet campaign that encourages consumers to boycott businesses selling Trump products.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 15, 2016 • 11:43:48am

re: #132 Charles Johnson

Such lovely people.

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Oh an Apartheid fan, William F. Buckley would be proud.

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BeachDem  Nov 15, 2016 • 11:43:49am

re: #130 Franklin

The mandate is required if you keep preexisting conditions. Otherwise you would only buy insurance if you got sick. Like allowing you to get car insurance after you wrap your car around a tree.

Exactamentally—which is why his new bullshit is the same as the GOP’s ongoing bullshit.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 15, 2016 • 11:44:54am

re: #135 BeachDem

Exactamentally—which is why his new bullshit is the same as the GOP’s ongoing bullshit.

Thanks, I get it now. Fucking frustrating.

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electrotek  Nov 15, 2016 • 11:47:32am

I wonder how many former posters of LGF unanimously voted for Trump after they left when Charles’ highly-publicized decision to part with the Right many years ago.

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Kragar  Nov 15, 2016 • 11:48:09am
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HappyWarrior  Nov 15, 2016 • 11:48:50am

re: #138 Kragar

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Oh lovely. Glad they’re taking this so so seriously. Bastards are probably hungover.

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Thanos  Nov 15, 2016 • 11:49:27am

re: #10 Charles Johnson

When a guy like Snowden who’s a hero to millennials with more than 2 million Twitter followers and even more on Facebook tells people, “Hey, go ahead and vote third party! It’s cool!” … there’s absolutely no doubt that he helped elect Donald Trump.

The wikileaks / RT / Anonymous / Greenwald / Paleolibertarian Prison Planet / Murray Rothbard crowd is set on tearing down the foundations of our democracy and they could care less if it’s the left or right that gets gored. When they can’t break it, they suppress the vote - it’s the only way “libertarians” have a shot at anything. That’s why they encourage all fights, between parties and inside parties.

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Decatur Deb  Nov 15, 2016 • 11:49:44am

re: #113 BeachDem

Correct me if I’m wrong, but he’s said he wants to keep the pre-existing conditions part and the kids stay on their parents’ plan part, but he hasn’t mentioned the mandate, which the GOP has been after since day one, so how is he going to fund his new “plan?”

He’s not a ‘detail’ man.

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lawhawk  Nov 15, 2016 • 11:49:49am

re: #138 Kragar

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Well, that’ll go over well from day 1. If you’ve got no one from the incoming administration to take over from the outgoing admin, it’s going to be a shitshow (more than the usual variety).

This is the exact opposite of professionalism. It’s a clown car, and Trump’s inattention to detail and all the moving parts of running the US Govt are going to come shining through, and our national security will suffer for it.

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The Vicious Babushka  Nov 15, 2016 • 11:50:47am

re: #133 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Wait for the Department of Justice to go after shoes.com.

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Belafon  Nov 15, 2016 • 11:50:55am

re: #136 HappyWarrior

Thanks, I get it now. Fucking frustrating.

“We have a new plan that completely replaces Obamacare. It allows you to keep your current doctor and insurance. It requires all Americans to enroll, via a small incentive on your taxes. We’ll even provide help to those who don’t quite make enough. All good patriotic citizens will be covered.”

As long as those points go out, and FOX repeats them, it’ll become mantra that Republicans fixed health care.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 15, 2016 • 11:51:35am

re: #142 lawhawk

Well, that’ll go over well from day 1. If you’ve got no one from the incoming administration to take over from the outgoing admin, it’s going to be a shitshow (more than the usual variety).

This is the exact opposite of professionalism. It’s a clown car, and Trump’s inattention to detail and all the moving parts of running the US Govt are going to come shining through, and our national security will suffer for it.

Hey Bruh, Sorry I’m late for this DOD thing. We just got waaaaaaaaaaaasted last night. Surely you’d understand right? Now tell me when do I get to fire a nuke?

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HappyWarrior  Nov 15, 2016 • 11:51:59am

re: #144 Belafon

“We have a new plan that completely replaces Obamacare. It allows you to keep your current doctor and insurance. It requires all Americans to enroll, via a small incentive on your taxes. We’ll even provide help to those who don’t quite make enough. All good patriotic citizens will be covered.”

As long as those points go out, and FOX repeats them, it’ll become mantra that Republicans fixed health care.

Lovely.

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Kragar  Nov 15, 2016 • 11:52:09am
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Decatur Deb  Nov 15, 2016 • 11:52:59am

re: #132 Charles Johnson

Such lovely people.

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That’s his Christian Mingle profile photo.

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Franklin  Nov 15, 2016 • 11:54:11am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 15, 2016 • 11:54:36am

re: #138 Kragar

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The White House says Vice President-elect Mike Pence has yet to sign a key document governing the presidential transition, prompting a delay in the process of turning over power to President-elect Donald Trump.

New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie, who formerly served as Trump’s transition chief, had signed a memorandum of understanding to kick off transition work as soon as the election was over.

But Christie was abruptly replaced last Friday by Pence, causing a temporary pause in the process.

“We are now in the process of working with the new transition team chair, Vice President-elect Mike Pence, to sign the memorandum of understanding, which governs the process by which transition officials work with current administration staff,” White House spokeswoman Brandi Hoffine said in response to questions about the leadership change.

Until the memorandum is signed, Trump’s so-called landing teams, tasked with implementing his policies, will not be able to access federal agency employees or documents for an update on their projects.

The memorandum is required under federal law.

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Lidane  Nov 15, 2016 • 11:56:26am

Breitbart, 2008- 11/8/2016: “LOL LIBTARDZ ARE EASILY TRIGGERED!”

Breitbart, now: “HOW DARE U CALL US RACIST! ELEVENTY!”

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HappyWarrior  Nov 15, 2016 • 11:56:28am

re: #149 Franklin

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I remember her moderating the Biden-Palin debate. She did a good job. I was wondering why she didn’t moderate between Kaine and Pence. Poor lady had cancer. RIP Gwen.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 15, 2016 • 11:56:42am

re: #150 Backwoods_Sleuth

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supposedly they are tinkering with the legalese in the transition paperwork (which BTW includes NDAs — oh the irony).

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HappyWarrior  Nov 15, 2016 • 11:57:09am

re: #151 Lidane

Breitbart, 2008- 11/8/2016: “LOL LIBTARDZ ARE EASILY TRIGGERED!”

Breitbart, now: “HOW DARE U CALL US RACIST! ELEVENTY!”

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Don’t want ot be called white supremacist? Don’t fucking act like it, you fuckwads.

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Franklin  Nov 15, 2016 • 11:57:34am

Can’t remember if I posted this already or just retweeted it. Apologies if a repeat, but it was worth it :)

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HappyWarrior  Nov 15, 2016 • 11:59:11am

re: #155 Franklin

Can’t remember if I posted this already or just retweeted it. Apologies if a repeat, but it was worth it :)

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I really like that message.

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electrotek  Nov 15, 2016 • 11:59:25am

re: #10 Charles Johnson

When a guy like Snowden who’s a hero to millennials with more than 2 million Twitter followers and even more on Facebook tells people, “Hey, go ahead and vote third party! It’s cool!” … there’s absolutely no doubt that he helped elect Donald Trump.

People like that make me embarrassed to a millennial (1984 born, aptly enough).

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electrotek  Nov 15, 2016 • 12:00:46pm

re: #151 Lidane

Breitbart, 2008- 11/8/2016: “LOL LIBTARDZ ARE EASILY TRIGGERED!”

Breitbart, now: “HOW DARE U CALL US RACIST! ELEVENTY!”

I’ve been telling them to go seek their safe spaces instead if they can’t handle the heat.

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Sir John Barron  Nov 15, 2016 • 12:00:49pm

re: #144 Belafon

“We have a new plan that completely replaces Obamacare. It allows you to keep your current doctor and insurance. It requires all Americans to enroll, via a small incentive on your taxes. We’ll even provide help to those who don’t quite make enough. All good patriotic citizens will be covered.”

As long as those points go out, and FOX repeats them, it’ll become mantra that Republicans fixed health care.

Sounds like a great plan. How come Obama couldn’t have come up with something like that?

///

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Lidane  Nov 15, 2016 • 12:01:03pm

re: #155 Franklin

FYI: The lady holding that sign is Ani DiFranco:

Instagram

a fellow protester let me borrow her sign - Ani
(quote by Angela Davis photo by Susan Alzner)

The quote is by Angela Davis. :)

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electrotek  Nov 15, 2016 • 12:01:39pm

re: #160 Lidane

FYI: The lady holding that sign is Ani DiFranco:

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The quote is by Angela Davis. :)

Stuff like that is why I will always be a lifetime fan of Ani, forever and ever.

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The Vicious Babushka  Nov 15, 2016 • 12:02:03pm

re: #159 Sir John Barron

Sounds like a great plan. How come Obama couldn’t have come up with something like that?

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HURR HURR OBAMA SEDD U KUD KEEP UR DOCTOR & WE COULDN’T KEEP ARE DOKTERS!!!!1!!!!! OBUMMA LIED HE LIED HE LIED HE LIED!!!!!11!

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Sir John Barron  Nov 15, 2016 • 12:02:54pm

re: #141 Decatur Deb

He’s not a ‘detail’ man.

Whatevs. Can’t wait to tweet from the oval office place I see on TV. Putin’ll be so jealous. I’ll invite him over some time.

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Decatur Deb  Nov 15, 2016 • 12:03:02pm

re: #160 Lidane

FYI: The lady holding that sign is Ani DiFranco:

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The quote is by Angela Davis. :)

Heh. Ani and Utah Phillips never did accept the things they could not change.

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Weaselone  Nov 15, 2016 • 12:03:06pm

re: #147 Kragar

That has to be BS. Why would they ever retire the existing missiles without a replacement? It would be better to scrap the ships and replace them with missile equipped speedboats.

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BeachDem  Nov 15, 2016 • 12:04:24pm

Voter suppression? A good article here:
thinkprogress.org

And it emphasizes why SoS positions are crucial.

After last week’s election, these barriers — and others like them — will likely multiply. Missouri, for example, voted last week to enshrine a voter ID law in its state constitution. State officials estimate that 220,000 otherwise eligible voters could be disenfranchised by the policy. Republican Jay Ashcroft, the son of George W. Bush’s Attorney General John Ashcroft, will take over as Missouri’s Secretary of State, and has promised to strictly enforce the voter ID requirement.

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Nyet  Nov 15, 2016 • 12:05:24pm

re: #14 HappyWarrior

Мне нравится водку, голосовать Трампа.

That’s not Russian.

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wrenchwench  Nov 15, 2016 • 12:05:48pm

re: #164 Decatur Deb

Heh. Ani and Utah Phillips never did accept the things they could not change.

With the exception of (in Utah Phillips’ case) Mooseturd Pie.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 15, 2016 • 12:05:53pm

So, i’m writing that Spanish Civil War short story that I’m using as a parellel for what’s oging on now. Working title is Guerra. For those who you don’t know Spanish, simply war.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 15, 2016 • 12:06:26pm

re: #167 Nyet

That’s not Russian.

Meant to be a joke using google translate. :).

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electrotek  Nov 15, 2016 • 12:06:38pm

The only positive I can think of with a Trump administration is that punk rock will become more relevant again.

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Franklin  Nov 15, 2016 • 12:06:54pm

re: #160 Lidane

Thanks!

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HappyWarrior  Nov 15, 2016 • 12:09:37pm

re: #171 electrotek

The only positive I can think of with a Trump administration is that punk rock will become more relevant again.

I’m definitely going to be using my artistic skills here. I doubt I’ll get published in the New Yorker or anything like that but I want to use my dual skills as a paralegal to help people out but also my artistic skills to write as well.

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Dr. Matt  Nov 15, 2016 • 12:09:54pm

Instagram

Staring in trembling awe at her suddenly blank desktop, local woman Chelsea Greene was reportedly presented a rare chance at a new life Tuesday after accidentally closing her browser window with 23 open tabs. “Oh, my God. I’m free,” said a stunned and wide-eyed Greene, fully realizing that the abrupt disappearance of the Firefox window displaying tabs from Facebook, Reddit, CNN, OkCupid, Gmail, and 18 other websites would allow her to venture in a completely fresh direction and never look back. “Everything is going to be different from this point on. I can be anyone I want to be—I have a blank slate. Life truly begins right now.” According to sources, Greene moments later clicked “Restore Previous Session” in a brand-new browser window. #TheOnion

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Myron Falwell (no relation)  Nov 15, 2016 • 12:12:28pm

re: #171 electrotek

The only positive I can think of with a Trump administration is that punk rock will become more relevant again.

Make Pere Ubu Relevant Again

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Charles Johnson  Nov 15, 2016 • 12:12:41pm

It looks like the “major media company” Breitbart is supposedly suing may be CNN.

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Nyet  Nov 15, 2016 • 12:12:56pm

re: #174 Dr. Matt

It doesn’t, you can go to history and restore…

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electrotek  Nov 15, 2016 • 12:13:37pm

re: #174 Dr. Matt

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hahahaha that’s great

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electrotek  Nov 15, 2016 • 12:14:15pm

re: #175 Myron Falwell (no relation)

Make Pere Ubu Relevant Again

haha yup!

All I got to say is that music festivals like Coachella will never be the same again after Trump gains office.

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Barefoot Grin  Nov 15, 2016 • 12:15:27pm

re: #171 electrotek

The only positive I can think of with a Trump administration is that punk rock will become more relevant again.

Was it ever not?

EESTI LAUL 2013: Winny Puhh - “Meiecundimees üks Korsakov läks eile Lätti”

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ObserverArt  Nov 15, 2016 • 12:16:18pm

Paul Ryan economic plan.***

Let people at the bottom of our society fend for themselves. If poor health and crappy conditions make for early deaths among a sector of our society (poor and older people…many of color) it is good for the economy. Creates job demands and lessens government spending. Call it eliminating “dead weight.”

I wish I were joking, but sometimes it just feels like the conservative thinking is just that cold and calculating. They want a reset on government spending and it is done by eliminating social programs put in place after The Great Depression and currently in operation until the Republicans can stamp them all out.

***Plan explanation to those affected. Sorry you brought a family into this world and thought you could get by on government support. You were mislead by liberal and progressive policies. Those are over now. Do you get the message? Have a nice day.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 15, 2016 • 12:18:19pm

re: #176 Charles Johnson

It looks like the “major media company” Breitbart is supposedly suing may be CNN.

LOL

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HappyWarrior  Nov 15, 2016 • 12:18:26pm

Okay, very raw opening for my story but tell me what you think.
Miguel Juan Lopez had been captured by the Nationalist forces. He and his squadron of Republicans had started out the Civil War as just defenders of the Republic but two long years of Civil War had radicalized them. The Nationalists that caught them reviewed them as they prepared to execute them. A familiar face approached Lopez. Where did he know this face from? He figured he would soon breathe his last so he felt no harm in yelling out “Pedro, Pedro Iglesias, is that really you?” A vaguely familiar face turned and starred. The fascist’s face, undistinguishable before became friendly.
“Miguel, what are you doing among this socialist lot?”, asked Pedro
“I could ask the same of why you fight for fascists who want to take away the rights of the people.”, Miguel replied.
The two men had known each other as boys. Both their fathers were part of Spain’s pre-Republican elite but Pedro’s father’s job had taken him to far away from where they grew up and they had lost touch. Miguel had embraced Marxism in college. He wanted to be a lawyer, a fighter for the people. Pedro had presumably joined the army as his father before him and joined the officers rebellion against the Republic two years ago.

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ObserverArt  Nov 15, 2016 • 12:18:31pm

re: #175 Myron Falwell (no relation)

Make Pere Ubu Relevant Again

Hey! I have an original vinyl copy of The Modern Dance.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 15, 2016 • 12:19:03pm

re: #176 Charles Johnson

It looks like the “major media company” Breitbart is supposedly suing may be CNN.

That will be interesting to watch. CNN’s been honestly pretty soft on Breitbart.

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Kragar  Nov 15, 2016 • 12:20:15pm
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electrotek  Nov 15, 2016 • 12:20:55pm

re: #186 Kragar

Don’t forget Serbia in 2012.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 15, 2016 • 12:21:03pm

re: #186 Kragar

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Nice vetting you got there.

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Big Beautiful Door  Nov 15, 2016 • 12:21:05pm

re: #183 HappyWarrior

Okay, very raw opening for my story but tell me what you think.
Miguel Juan Lopez had been captured by the Nationalist forces. He and his squadron of Republicans had started out the Civil War as just defenders of the Republic but two long years of Civil War had radicalized them. The Nationalists that caught them reviewed them as they prepared to execute them. A familiar face approached Lopez. Where did he know this face from? He figured he would soon breathe his last so he felt no harm in yelling out “Pedro, Pedro Iglesias, is that really you?” A vaguely familiar face turned and starred. The fascist’s face, undistinguishable before became friendly.
“Miguel, what are you doing among this socialist lot?”, asked Pedro
“I could ask the same of why you fight for fascists who want to take away the rights of the people.”, Miguel replied.
The two men had known each other as boys. Both their fathers were part of Spain’s pre-Republican elite but Pedro’s father’s job had taken him to far away from where they grew up and they had lost touch. Miguel had embraced Marxism in college. He wanted to be a lawyer, a fighter for the people. Pedro had presumably joined the army as his father before him and joined the officers rebellion against the Republic two years ago.

Its a start.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 15, 2016 • 12:23:02pm

re: #189 Big Beautiful Door

Its a start.

Thanks, very raw obviously but a start as you say. Bill had a great idea suggesting that I do it in frame with the start with one of the guys being among the captured. You really don’t see too much if any at all American written fiction set during the Spanish Civil War. Maybe it’s my background as a history major but I’ve always felt more comfortable writing in the past.

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Edge of a dream AKA Cankles Mccellulite  Nov 15, 2016 • 12:26:15pm

re: #59 Myron Falwell (no relation)

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“Staying in America? Let us Bulldoze your house”

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Lidane  Nov 15, 2016 • 12:26:18pm

re: #176 Charles Johnson

It looks like the “major media company” Breitbart is supposedly suing may be CNN.

I’m going to enjoy the discovery phase in that lawsuit.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 15, 2016 • 12:26:38pm
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Varek Raith  Nov 15, 2016 • 12:26:42pm

How goes things?

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lawhawk  Nov 15, 2016 • 12:27:48pm

re: #186 Kragar

Cabal of Cronies. I’m saving that one for a band name.

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Dr. Matt  Nov 15, 2016 • 12:28:06pm

Food for thought: Has Nate Silver damaged his brand permanently? Will his models ever have the same level of mystique as they did prior to Nov 8th?

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Nyet  Nov 15, 2016 • 12:28:07pm

Emmm.

A Muslim woman in Louisiana who told police she was attacked with a metal object and robbed of her headscarf and wallet by two men wearing Donald Trump clothing just hours after Trump was elected president admitted to police today that she made it up, Lafayette police told ABC News.

“She made up the entire story about being attacked, about her hijab being taken. There was no truth to any of it,” Lafayette Police Department spokesman Cpl. Karol Ratcliff said.

abcnews.go.com

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HappyWarrior  Nov 15, 2016 • 12:29:00pm

re: #197 Nyet

Emmm.

abcnews.go.com

I hate it when stuff like that happens because it discredits real things that have occurred.

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Lidane  Nov 15, 2016 • 12:29:09pm

We are so, so screwed:

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HappyWarrior  Nov 15, 2016 • 12:29:36pm

re: #196 Dr. Matt

Food for thought: Has Nate Silver damaged his brand permanently? Will his models ever have the same level of mystique as they did prior to Nov 8th?

I dunno. Nate actually gave Trump the best chance of anyone out there.

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Nyet  Nov 15, 2016 • 12:29:37pm

re: #196 Dr. Matt

Food for thought: Has Nate Silver damaged his brand permanently? Will his models ever have the same level of mystique as they did prior to Nov 8th?

The state polls were more flawed than usual, but Silver’s model still provided for a lot of uncertainty, which makes him the most accurate of the bunch. Not sure how that’s called damaging a brand.

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leftynyc  Nov 15, 2016 • 12:29:44pm

re: #198 HappyWarrior

I hate it when stuff like that happens because it discredits real things that have occurred.

That’s why they need to charge her with a crime - false report or something. This kind of nonsense has to be HEAVILY discouraged.

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Edge of a dream AKA Cankles Mccellulite  Nov 15, 2016 • 12:29:49pm

Why isn’t the “liberal media” wringing their hands over Hillary’s emails anymore?

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electrotek  Nov 15, 2016 • 12:29:58pm

BTW, we should make it 100% clear to other people distraught over the election that no matter how emotionally wrecked you are, do not resort to calling for Trump’s assassination. Period.

That makes things so much worse!

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HappyWarrior  Nov 15, 2016 • 12:30:00pm

re: #199 Lidane

We are so, so screwed:

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They reached out to Putin too. But America First, right?

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The Vicious Babushka  Nov 15, 2016 • 12:30:57pm

re: #199 Lidane

We are so, so screwed:

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And they also reached out to Putin.

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Charles Johnson  Nov 15, 2016 • 12:32:42pm
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Lidane  Nov 15, 2016 • 12:33:05pm

That sound you just heard is my brain begging for mercy:

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Eventual Carrion  Nov 15, 2016 • 12:33:08pm

re: #40 Big Beautiful Door

That is something all middle class Americans can unite to fight. Ryan will find out that a huge block of Republican voters will be extremely upset if he tries to voucherize their medicare.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 15, 2016 • 12:33:11pm

What I think a lot of people underestimated was how big Trump’s turnout would really be in those areas. It’s going to actually be interesting to see if they come out again in the midterms. Weird as it sounds, we might actually make more gains in the House than the Senate when said in 2018. But I’m not focused on that. I’m focused on VA’s gubernatorial race.

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lawhawk  Nov 15, 2016 • 12:34:03pm

re: #196 Dr. Matt

Food for thought: Has Nate Silver damaged his brand permanently? Will his models ever have the same level of mystique as they did prior to Nov 8th?

Not likely. After all, he wasn’t giving Clinton the win - unlike say PEC and Upshot, and the others that were far more bullish on Clinton winning. He took a lot of heat for not giving Clinton a landslide and 100% chance of winning (wishful thinking versus looking at the data objectively). At state level, there’s alot of data that still has to be evaluated as what happened - and how pollsters got this wrong such as whether people were lying about their intentions/biases, the role of the Comey letter, etc.

But the real loser is all those polls that underrepresented what Trump was doing, or overestimated Clinton winning at the state level. State level polls were off by a bigger margin as compared to the national level polls, that were pretty close with Clinton eking out a win in popular vote.

If you’ve got garbage in, you’ll get garbage out.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 15, 2016 • 12:34:07pm

re: #208 Lidane

That sound you just heard is my brain begging for mercy:

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Reagan’s election was obviously a vote against Saturday Night Fever.

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Nyet  Nov 15, 2016 • 12:34:23pm
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HappyWarrior  Nov 15, 2016 • 12:35:26pm

re: #213 Nyet

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They really think free speech means we have to tolerate their fucked up racist bullshit. Twitter can do what they want. So sick of whiny conservative assholes who don’t like that private entities like Twitter or Facebook can call them on their shit when they act like bigoted little fucks.

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Charles Johnson  Nov 15, 2016 • 12:35:35pm

Some sources who frequently email me from the Washington DC area are telling me that many national security careerists are turning down Trump administration jobs.

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Nyet  Nov 15, 2016 • 12:35:58pm

re: #214 HappyWarrior

I’m waiting for a “monopoly” argument.

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electrotek  Nov 15, 2016 • 12:36:05pm

Now I’m wondering what would have happened and if it was best that the Access Hollywood tapes wouldn’t have been released until just a few days prior to the election to tilt the favor towards Hillary.

Did the month-long span in between fuck us over?

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Edge of a dream AKA Cankles Mccellulite  Nov 15, 2016 • 12:36:10pm

“Keep my government out of my government. Eleventy times!!!!!”

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Charles Johnson  Nov 15, 2016 • 12:36:13pm

re: #213 Nyet

And of course, I didn’t “decide” anything about Dickinson being suspended.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 15, 2016 • 12:36:31pm

re: #215 Charles Johnson

Some sources who frequently email me from the Washington DC area are telling me that many national security careerists are turning down Trump administration jobs.

That’s because it’s a clown show. Doesn’t surprise me at all. Rogers being out of the running for Sec-Def this early was a big flag to me.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 15, 2016 • 12:37:04pm

re: #216 Nyet

I’m waiting for a “monopoly” argument.

Hahaha like Cerno, yes, I did see that this morning.

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electrotek  Nov 15, 2016 • 12:37:20pm

re: #214 HappyWarrior

They really think free speech means we have to tolerate their fucked up racist bullshit. Twitter can do what they want. So sick of whiny conservative assholes who don’t like that private entities like Twitter or Facebook can call them on their shit when they act like bigoted little fucks.

I see that shit all the time whenever I post something on my FB. I delete comments that are personal attacks against other commenters and they start crying “censorship”, it’s fucking annoying.

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Nyet  Nov 15, 2016 • 12:37:26pm

re: #217 electrotek

Now I’m wondering what would have happened and if it was best that the Access Hollywood tapes wouldn’t have been released until just a few days prior to the election to tilt the favor towards Hillary.

Did the month-long span in between fuck us over?

Yes.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 15, 2016 • 12:38:02pm

re: #217 electrotek

Now I’m wondering what would have happened and if it was best that the Access Hollywood tapes wouldn’t have been released until just a few days prior to the election to tilt the favor towards Hillary.

Did the month-long span in between fuck us over?

I dunno. Important thing to do now is not live in the past but the future. We are where we are. It sucks but we have to make the best of what we got.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 15, 2016 • 12:38:25pm

re: #222 electrotek

I see that shit all the time whenever I post something on my FB. I delete comments that are personal attacks against other commenters and they start crying “censorship”, it’s fucking annoying.

It is so fucking stupid.

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Big Beautiful Door  Nov 15, 2016 • 12:38:38pm

re: #190 HappyWarrior

Thanks, very raw obviously but a start as you say. Bill had a great idea suggesting that I do it in frame with the start with one of the guys being among the captured. You really don’t see too much if any at all American written fiction set during the Spanish Civil War. Maybe it’s my background as a history major but I’ve always felt more comfortable writing in the past.

I guess it would be daunting for anyone to go where Hemingway has already treaded. Historical fiction is extremely popular; I hope the writing goes well for you!

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electrotek  Nov 15, 2016 • 12:39:00pm

re: #224 HappyWarrior

I dunno. Important thing to do now is not live in the past but the future. We are where we are. It sucks but we have to make the best of what we got.

I agree with you on that. I just want to see what actions we can take so we can ensure it can never be repeated again.

The October Surprise means jack shit now thanks to this election.

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The Vicious Babushka  Nov 15, 2016 • 12:39:01pm

OK can someone explain, if they are so “proud of the White race” why are their feels hurt when someone calls them “racist”?

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lawhawk  Nov 15, 2016 • 12:39:44pm

re: #215 Charles Johnson

Some sources who frequently email me from the Washington DC area are telling me that many national security careerists are turning down Trump administration jobs.

The good news keeps rolling in. That means the core natsec positions will go unfilled, or filled by less qualified people who don’t have the institutional knowledge to do their jobs efficiently and professionally.

And this is another reason that the Trump admin is going to be a shit show. They simply don’t have qualified and reasonable people to do the job. Any of the jobs.

They’ve picked ideologues and extremists, and the careerists know this is bad. The problem though is that someone has to do the job - and who do we want - people who can’t do the job properly, or people who are reluctantly going to be roped into do it.

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Nyet  Nov 15, 2016 • 12:39:54pm

re: #224 HappyWarrior

I dunno. Important thing to do now is not live in the past but the future. We are where we are. It sucks but we have to make the best of what we got.

Also true, but some things should be stowed away in the root cellar of our memories. E.g. Comey should get his comeuppance eventually, even if in 10 years. We should not forget that.

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Big Beautiful Door  Nov 15, 2016 • 12:40:23pm

re: #196 Dr. Matt

Food for thought: Has Nate Silver damaged his brand permanently? Will his models ever have the same level of mystique as they did prior to Nov 8th?

He was the only modeler who thought Trump had a good chance of winning the election. I’d say its all his competitors whose brands have been badly damaged.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 15, 2016 • 12:40:35pm

re: #226 Big Beautiful Door

I guess it would be daunting for anyone to go where Hemingway has already treaded. Historical fiction is extremely popular; I hope the writing goes well for you!

Thakns. I actually took a creative writing course this winter. Really enjoyed it. Hemingway is actually one of my inspirations.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 15, 2016 • 12:40:48pm

re: #227 electrotek

I agree with you on that. I just want to see what actions we can take so we can ensure it can never be repeated again.

The October Surprise means jack shit now thanks to this election.

I know, sigh.

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Sir John Barron  Nov 15, 2016 • 12:41:12pm

re: #215 Charles Johnson

Some sources who frequently email me from the Washington DC area are telling me that many national security careerists are turning down Trump administration jobs.

Transition Team: Mr. Trump, we have a number of national security positions to fill, but many of our best choices are declining to serve.

Trump: So. Call up NBC and the Apprentice people. They have to know somebody. Or call Rudy. What’s he doing these days?

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HappyWarrior  Nov 15, 2016 • 12:41:22pm

re: #230 Nyet

Also true, but some things should be stowed away in the root cellar of our memories. E.g. Comey should get his comeuppance eventually, even if in 10 years. We should not forget that.

Agreed.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Nov 15, 2016 • 12:41:48pm

re: #229 lawhawk

The good news keeps rolling in. That means the core natsec positions will go unfilled, or filled by less qualified people who don’t have the institutional knowledge to do their jobs efficiently and professionally.

And this is another reason that the Trump admin is going to be a shit show. They simply don’t have qualified and reasonable people to do the job. Any of the jobs.

They’ve picked ideologues and extremists, and the careerists know this is bad. The problem though is that someone has to do the job - and who do we want - people who can’t do the job properly, or people who are reluctantly going to be roped into do it.

Depends on whether you feel that competently presenting intelligence to the trump administration will do more harm than allowing incompetence into the interpretation/analysis, I guess.

I can see an argument either way.

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sagehen  Nov 15, 2016 • 12:42:36pm

re: #183 HappyWarrior

Okay, very raw opening for my story but tell me what you think.

I posted some links at the end of a dead thread when you first mentioned this story; a movie that treads emotional territory you may find similar enough to be helpful

imdb.com
en.wikipedia.org

Two lifelong best friends, a Serb and a Muslim, sharpshooters who’d been teammates on Yugoslavia’s Olympic riflery team — end up as top snipers on opposing sides of the war in Bosnia.

Based on a true story that was also told in an award-winning magazine article and an episode of Dateline.

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electrotek  Nov 15, 2016 • 12:42:39pm

re: #229 lawhawk

The good news keeps rolling in. That means the core natsec positions will go unfilled, or filled by less qualified people who don’t have the institutional knowledge to do their jobs efficiently and professionally.

And this is another reason that the Trump admin is going to be a shit show. They simply don’t have qualified and reasonable people to do the job. Any of the jobs.

They’ve picked ideologues and extremists, and the careerists know this is bad. The problem though is that someone has to do the job - and who do we want - people who can’t do the job properly, or people who are reluctantly going to be roped into do it.

Don’t expect to work for the State Department during his administration either!

I won’t be taking the FSO exam anymore.

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Sir John Barron  Nov 15, 2016 • 12:42:48pm

re: #231 Big Beautiful Door

He was the only modeler who thought Trump had a good chance of winning the election. I’d say its all his competitors whose brands have been badly damaged.

I can’t remember an election when the polling was this bad. I do seem to remember most polls having George W. Bush in the lead in 2000, some by quite a lot. But I don’t recall what the polls were like immediately before election day.

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electrotek  Nov 15, 2016 • 12:43:33pm

re: #237 sagehen

I posted some links at the end of a dead thread when you first mentioned this story; a movie that treads emotional territory you may find similar enough to be helpful

imdb.com
en.wikipedia.org

Two lifelong best friends, a Serb and a Muslim, sharpshooters who’d been teammates on Yugoslavia’s Olympic riflery team — end up as top snipers on opposing sides of the war in Bosnia.

Based on a true story that was also told in an award-winning magazine article and an episode of Dateline.

Holy shit, I remember watching that film when it first came on HBO 18 years ago. I had forgot about the name of the title but knew about the contents until now.

Thank you so much!!

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HappyWarrior  Nov 15, 2016 • 12:44:11pm

re: #237 sagehen

I posted some links at the end of a dead thread when you first mentioned this story; a movie that treads emotional territory you may find similar enough to be helpful

imdb.com
en.wikipedia.org

Two lifelong best friends, a Serb and a Muslim, sharpshooters who’d been teammates on Yugoslavia’s Olympic riflery team — end up as top snipers on opposing sides of the war in Bosnia.

Based on a true story that was also told in an award-winning magazine article and an episode of Dateline.

Thanks. Speaking of snipers, one of my other inspirations for this story is Liam O’Flaherty’s The Sniper. I wont’ spoil if no one’s ever read it but I recommend it for a good quick read.

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Sherlock Hound  Nov 15, 2016 • 12:45:49pm

re: #227 electrotek

I agree with you on that. I just want to see what actions we can take so we can ensure it can never be repeated again.

The October Surprise means jack shit now thanks to this election.

Comey sprung the true October Surprise. Nate Silver was saying that true October surprises did not move the polls much. He may have to revisit this.

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Edge of a dream AKA Cankles Mccellulite  Nov 15, 2016 • 12:46:20pm

Bannon? Really people? He wants to destroy all libs, Jewish, black and Mexican people. I guess they are ok with that. Don’t come across me because I will beat you down. I may look innocent. But looks are deceiving.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 15, 2016 • 12:46:21pm

re: #240 electrotek

Holy shit, I remember watching that film when it first came on HBO 18 years ago. I had forgot about the name of the title but knew about the contents until now.

Thank you so much!!

It’s actually really interesting since I told you I’m of Yugolav(Slovene) origin and my grandfather’s best friend was Serbian-American. Did you or any one else see Once Brothers, an ESPN documentary about Vlade Divac and Drazden Petrovec, Vlade is Serbian while Drazden is Croatian. They were great friends on the Yugoslavian national basketball team but grew apart due to the Yugoslav Civil War. That’s also sort of inspiring my story here too a bit though neither went to war though Petrovec did tragically die in a car accident.

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Kragar  Nov 15, 2016 • 12:46:23pm
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lawhawk  Nov 15, 2016 • 12:46:43pm

Maybe start with dropping Breitbart from news. And any clear click bait pieces.

Then again, journalism should go back to basics - who what when why and how. And headlines that match content, instead of screaming click bait that is unsupported by the body of the article.

We saw all of this during the campaign, and nearly all of it was tilted against Clinton, whether it was the email nonsense, or Benghazi, or AP making claims in headlines and tweets that weren’t supported by their underlying article.

Clearly, editors think the bottom line is goosed by running click bait headlines, but they’re misinforming the public, and doing a disservice to the journalists doing the research.

We need more people like Kurt Eichenwald, Sopan Deb, Katy Tur, and David Fahrenthold who are willing to do investigative journalism and the day to day political coverage, and fewer fluff pieces.

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makeitstop  Nov 15, 2016 • 12:46:46pm

re: #176 Charles Johnson

It looks like the “major media company” Breitbart is supposedly suing may be CNN.

Wow. And after they were so accommodating to the Trump campaign.

Nobody’s safe.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 15, 2016 • 12:47:16pm

re: #242 Sherlock Hound

Comey sprung the true October Surprise. Nate Silver was saying that true October surprises did not move the polls much. He may have to revisit this.

Yeah Nate did think that the Comey thing wasn’t that big of a deal. Still, I think Nate was more right than he wasn’t and I was wrong to think he was too bullish on Trump.

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electrotek  Nov 15, 2016 • 12:47:37pm

re: #246 lawhawk

Maybe start with dropping Breitbart from news. And any clear click bait pieces.

Then again, journalism should go back to basics - who what when why and how. And headlines that match content, instead of screaming click bait that is unsupported by the body of the article.

We saw all of this during the campaign, and nearly all of it was tilted against Clinton, whether it was the email nonsense, or Benghazi, or AP making claims in headlines and tweets that weren’t supported by their underlying article.

Clearly, editors think the bottom line is goosed by running click bait headlines, but they’re misinforming the public, and doing a disservice to the journalists doing the research.

We need more people like Kurt Eichenwald, Sopan Deb, Katy Tur, and David Fahrenthold who are willing to do investigative journalism and the day to day political coverage, and fewer fluff pieces.

Add the Breitbart of the left, USUncut, and OccupyDemocrats while they are at it.

They are just as complicit in having Trump win.

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Mike Lamb  Nov 15, 2016 • 12:47:42pm

The lack of forethought from Drumpf is amazing and frightening. I have zero doubt that HRC had short lists for every appointment and key “hires” that she would need to make. I understand HRC has more experience in this regard, but its equally clear that Drumpf didn’t spend a second considering these types of things. Christ, look at the leaks that are coming out about possible cabinet appointments. Shit is just being thrown against the wall.

Newt for SecState. No…Bolton. No wait! Giuliani! What the fuck would Giuliani know about being Secretary of State?

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electrotek  Nov 15, 2016 • 12:48:13pm

re: #247 makeitstop

Wow. And after they were so accommodating to the Trump campaign.

Nobody’s safe.

So many people think CNN is “liberal” and was always critical of Trump.

They are clearly in bizarro world there.

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Big Beautiful Door  Nov 15, 2016 • 12:48:36pm

re: #239 Sir John Barron

I can’t remember an election when the polling was this bad. I do seem to remember most polls having George W. Bush in the lead in 2000, some by quite a lot. But I don’t recall what the polls were like immediately before election day.

I would cut them some slack. As Silver pointed out, there were a lot of undecided, and they apparently broke heavily for Trump late. That large percentage of undecideds was one of the major reasons he thought there was a lot of uncertainty in the race and Trump had a decent chance of winning it.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 15, 2016 • 12:48:37pm

re: #245 Kragar

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See, that would have been an appointment I would have gone along with. I probably have a lot of disagreeements with Rogers but he would be a good choice for the job in a Republican admin. The fact that Giuliani is the favorite for SOS should bother people. He’s not qualified for it at all. Pains me to say it but Bolton would be better.

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Nyet  Nov 15, 2016 • 12:48:47pm

re: #242 Sherlock Hound

Comey sprung the true October Surprise. Nate Silver was saying that true October surprises did not move the polls much. He may have to revisit this.

It was Harry Enten, and here is what he actually wrote:

Some of the October surprises listed above (the halt in bombing in North Vietnam and Bush’s DWl) appeared to have a modest effect on the polls. Others, less so. All told, these surprises moved the polls — from the week before to the final week — about 1 or 2 percentage points, on average. None of the surprises on this list moved the polls by more than 2 points.

Again, this isn’t a full list, but it makes sense that late campaign news would have a limited impact. The later in a campaign an external shock occurs, the more voters have already made up their mind and the more impressions of the candidates are fixed. October surprises, in other words, may have less of an effect because they come in October.

That doesn’t mean, however, that the 2016 presidential race is decided. Clinton currently has a national polling lead of about 5 points, according to FiveThirtyEight’s forecast. In three of the campaigns listed here (1980, 2000 and 2012), the final polling average was off by 3 percentage points or more. Even if the polls don’t move, they could just be wrong.

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Belafon  Nov 15, 2016 • 12:49:55pm

re: #166 BeachDem

Voter suppression? A good article here:
thinkprogress.org

And it emphasizes why SoS positions are crucial.

After last week’s election, these barriers — and others like them — will likely multiply. Missouri, for example, voted last week to enshrine a voter ID law in its state constitution. State officials estimate that 220,000 otherwise eligible voters could be disenfranchised by the policy. Republican Jay Ashcroft, the son of George W. Bush’s Attorney General John Ashcroft, will take over as Missouri’s Secretary of State, and has promised to strictly enforce the voter ID requirement.

I know they destroyed ACORN, but we need some organizations to do voter registration efforts that would include validation.

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sagehen  Nov 15, 2016 • 12:50:52pm

re: #217 electrotek

Now I’m wondering what would have happened and if it was best that the Access Hollywood tapes wouldn’t have been released until just a few days prior to the election to tilt the favor towards Hillary.

Did the month-long span in between fuck us over?

Not as much as Comey did.

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lawhawk  Nov 15, 2016 • 12:51:35pm

re: #250 Mike Lamb

The lack of forethought from Drumpf is amazing and frightening. I have zero doubt that HRC had short lists for every appointment and key “hires” that she would need to make. I understand HRC has more experience in this regard, but its equally clear that Drumpf didn’t spend a second considering these types of things. Christ, look at the leaks that are coming out about possible cabinet appointments. Shit is just being thrown against the wall.

Newt for SecState. No…Bolton. No wait! Giuliani! What the fuck would Giuliani know about being Secretary of State?

Bolton at least has diplomatic experience. Newt and Giuliani have none.

Now repeat this up and down the line for every cabinet level position. And all the undersecretary level positions. 100s of political appointments in positions of sensitivity.

If they’re botching the national security one - you know - the one where they say they’ll beat IS in days after getting a plan from the generals - just imagine how they’ll screw up the FDA and HHS and HUD and all the rest.

It’ll be Mike Brown up and down the chain of command - people who have no business being in a position of power who have no idea what the position entails.

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leftynyc  Nov 15, 2016 • 12:52:47pm

Sigh:

politico.com

Clinton’s lead in the popular vote passes 1 million

Hillary Clinton’s lead in the popular vote over President-elect Donald Trump has surpassed 1 million, according to Dave Wasserman of the nonpartisan Cook Political Report.

As the final vote counts continue to trickle in a week after Election Day, Wasserman’s tally found that Clinton had 61,963,234 votes to Trump’s 60,961,185 as of Tuesday afternoon.

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Interesting Times  Nov 15, 2016 • 12:53:19pm

To be filed under “Laugh or Cry”:

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HappyWarrior  Nov 15, 2016 • 12:54:14pm

re: #258 leftynyc

Sigh:

politico.com

Clinton’s lead in the popular vote passes 1 million

Hillary Clinton’s lead in the popular vote over President-elect Donald Trump has surpassed 1 million, according to Dave Wasserman of the nonpartisan Cook Political Report.

As the final vote counts continue to trickle in a week after Election Day, Wasserman’s tally found that Clinton had 61,963,234 votes to Trump’s 60,961,185 as of Tuesday afternoon.

Biggest gap by a popular vote winner and EC loser in 140 years people. And that one was certainly rigged.

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leftynyc  Nov 15, 2016 • 12:54:27pm

re: #250 Mike Lamb

The lack of forethought from Drumpf is amazing and frightening. I have zero doubt that HRC had short lists for every appointment and key “hires” that she would need to make. I understand HRC has more experience in this regard, but its equally clear that Drumpf didn’t spend a second considering these types of things. Christ, look at the leaks that are coming out about possible cabinet appointments. Shit is just being thrown against the wall.

Newt for SecState. No…Bolton. No wait! Giuliani! What the fuck would Giuliani know about being Secretary of State?

The only two “experiences” I can think of was him throwing Arafat out of Lincoln Center and turning down $10 million from Saudi Arabia after 9/11.

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Edge of a dream AKA Cankles Mccellulite  Nov 15, 2016 • 12:54:28pm

Oh… CNBC is giggling with Duck dynasty liars about how truthy they are.
CNBC reporters are all over them. American Women love hairy, ignorant men with no fashion sense.

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electrotek  Nov 15, 2016 • 12:54:31pm

re: #244 HappyWarrior

It’s actually really interesting since I told you I’m of Yugolav(Slovene) origin and my grandfather’s best friend was Serbian-American. Did you or any one else see Once Brothers, an ESPN documentary about Vlade Divac and Drazden Petrovec, Vlade is Serbian while Drazden is Croatian. They were great friends on the Yugoslavian national basketball team but grew apart due to the Yugoslav Civil War. That’s also sort of inspiring my story here too a bit though neither went to war though Petrovec did tragically die in a car accident.

One of my close friends that I have known ever since he was new to my high school (1999) as his family just arrived in the states was from the Balkans. I was a sophomore and he was a freshman and we bonded over some common interests. The funny part? I had always thought he was Croat since he told me he came from there when we first met until he told me 2-3 years ago that he’s half-Croat, half-Serb. Did it change how I viewed him? Hell no! We spent a lot of great time hanging out that I can’t be fucked with viewing him differently for that. He’s always been neutral and been critical of the war crimes on the Serb side and his parents are sweet and kind-hearted people that I couldn’t change my view of them because of it.

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EPR-radar  Nov 15, 2016 • 12:54:45pm

re: #256 sagehen

Not as much as Comey did.

Comey’s acts were the worst rat-fucking of all time. From beginning to end, the entire thing was political theater having only one goal — sink Hillary Clinton.

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Belafon  Nov 15, 2016 • 12:55:15pm

re: #258 leftynyc

Sigh:

politico.com

Clinton’s lead in the popular vote passes 1 million

Hillary Clinton’s lead in the popular vote over President-elect Donald Trump has surpassed 1 million, according to Dave Wasserman of the nonpartisan Cook Political Report.

As the final vote counts continue to trickle in a week after Election Day, Wasserman’s tally found that Clinton had 61,963,234 votes to Trump’s 60,961,185 as of Tuesday afternoon.

So, she will win the popular vote by more than the populations of at least five states.

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sagehen  Nov 15, 2016 • 12:55:15pm

re: #228 The Vicious Babushka

OK can someone explain, if they are so “proud of the White race” why are their feels hurt when someone calls them “racist”?

If they weren’t racists, the cultural heritage they’re so proud of would be French or Spanish or English or Irish or Swedish or Greek or Russian or German or some other *specific* thing other than “white”.

Each of these cultures has a language, a religion, a history, a cuisine — they are not at all interchangeable, and people who self-identify as any of these would be insulted as hell at being lumped into a category with any of the others.

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Jebediah, RBG  Nov 15, 2016 • 12:55:35pm

re: #230 Nyet

E.g. Comey should get his comeuppance eventually, even if in 10 years. We should not forget that.

Yes. I’ll take slow justice over no justice.

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makeitstop  Nov 15, 2016 • 12:56:32pm

I hate to sounds paranoid here, but…

We’re all looking at how fucked up the transition is so far and attributing it to incompetence.

What if this is the plan?

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 15, 2016 • 12:57:29pm

You know who else will really benefit from a Trump admin? Lawyers.

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lawhawk  Nov 15, 2016 • 12:57:53pm

re: #268 makeitstop

I hate to sounds paranoid here, but…

We’re all looking at how fucked up the transition is so far and attributing it to incompetence.

What if this is the plan?

If that’s the plan, *deleted* doesn’t begin to cover it.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 15, 2016 • 12:58:15pm

re: #263 electrotek

One of my close friends that I have known ever since he was new to my high school (1999) as his family just arrived in the states was from the Balkans. I was a sophomore and he was a freshman and we bonded over some common interests. The funny part? I had always thought he was Croat since he told me he came from there when we first met until he told me 2-3 years ago that he’s half-Croat, half-Serb. Did it change how I viewed him? Hell no! We spent a lot of great time hanging out that I can’t be fucked with viewing him differently for that. He’s always been neutral and been critical of the war crimes on the Serb side and his parents are sweet and kind-hearted people that I couldn’t change my view of them because of it.

Right on. But yeah my grandfather and his friend always bonded, they had similar political beliefs and they both had a shared pride in the role of the resistance in Yugoslavia durign war. Family lore is that one of grandpa’s cousins in Yugoslavia was killed by the Germans and the surviving family joined the resistance. Don’t know how true that is. Hopefully I get in touch with some relatives in Slovenia one day and find out.

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The Vicious Babushka  Nov 15, 2016 • 12:58:58pm

re: #269 Eclectic Cyborg

You know who else will really benefit from a Trump admin? Lawyers.

Not if they don’t get paid.

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Lidane  Nov 15, 2016 • 12:59:12pm
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Mattand  Nov 15, 2016 • 12:59:37pm

re: #268 makeitstop

I hate to sounds paranoid here, but…

We’re all looking at how fucked up the transition is so far and attributing it to incompetence.

What if this is the plan?

I think it’s the plan in the sense that it’s how Trump operates. He just says “Get this done” and then watches as his servants stab each other in the eye until there’s some kind of shaky consensus.

Basically the Joker’s tryout for his gang in The Dark Knight.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 15, 2016 • 12:59:57pm

re: #266 sagehen

If they weren’t racists, the cultural heritage they’re so proud of would be French or Spanish or English or Irish or Swedish or Greek or Russian or German or some other *specific* thing other than “white”.

Each of these cultures has a language, a religion, a history, a cuisine — they are not at all interchangeable, and people who call themselves any of these would be insulted as hell at being lumped into a category with any of the others.

And some of them I must add were once told they weren’t really white. Hell I even have a 1910 census record with my Slovakian born great grandfather listed as a mulatto. My one grandfather remembered being scaerd when the KKK went through their town. I’m not “white.” I’m German-Irish-Slovak-Slovene and I’m proud of thoes cultures, yes but I don’t think it makes me superior in any shape or form.

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Belafon  Nov 15, 2016 • 1:00:12pm

re: #273 Lidane

I’m convinced he inferred he wouldn’t be accepted because he’s not white.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 15, 2016 • 1:00:27pm

re: #273 Lidane

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I think he forgot that part.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 15, 2016 • 1:01:03pm

re: #276 Belafon

I’m convinced he inferred he wouldn’t be accepted because he’s not white.

I dunno. Sheriff Clarke is the only other African-American name I’m seeing get consideration for the cabinet. Kenny Blackwell is part of the transition team though.

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Stanley Sea  Nov 15, 2016 • 1:01:19pm

re: #273 Lidane

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He decided he could make more money on the wingnut grift.

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lawhawk  Nov 15, 2016 • 1:01:35pm

Oh, another pair of charitable groups came to mind for donating to in these troubled times -

Union of Concerned Scientists
Consumers Union (the folks behind Consumer Reports).

Because we know the GOP will try to gut science in classroom, enable homeschooling and continue to deny climate change and global warming are real and threaten most of the coastal US directly with sea level rises, and the rest of the nation will be affected with more extreme weather events - droughts, weather pattern changes, etc.

CU will try to keep the focus on protecting consumers against dangerous products, and fight to reduce cost of pharmaceuticals and demand better cars (better safety, higher fuel economy, etc.)

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Edge of a dream AKA Cankles Mccellulite  Nov 15, 2016 • 1:01:37pm

Steve Bannon. really people? Ok. So you are masochists. Good. I like masochists.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 15, 2016 • 1:01:44pm

re: #272 The Vicious Babushka

Not if they don’t get paid.

I was thinking more ACLU lawyers but good point.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 15, 2016 • 1:02:02pm

re: #279 Stanley Sea

He decided he could make more money on the wingnut grift.

Wingnut grifting is harder though when the party’s in the WH though. Can’t write about how the Democrats are ruining everything.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 15, 2016 • 1:02:08pm

There are more than 4,000 positions that need to be filled by the Trump Administration.
Those applicants all need to be vetted/investigated.

By the FBI.

Comey can still fuck up things bigly.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 15, 2016 • 1:02:26pm

Does anyone have a link to that Trump triumphant cartoon?

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Belafon  Nov 15, 2016 • 1:02:27pm

re: #281 Edge of a dream AKA Cankles Mccellulite

Steve Bannon. really people? Ok. So you are masochists. Good. I like masochists.

Who are you talking to?

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Dave In Austin  Nov 15, 2016 • 1:02:43pm

re: #273 Lidane

And this should assure us that he will never attempt to run again.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 15, 2016 • 1:03:03pm

re: #284 Backwoods_Sleuth

There are more than 4,000 positions that need to be filled by the Trump Administration.
Those applicants all need to be vetted/investigated.

By the FBI.

Comey can still fuck up things bigly.

Can I just say again how glad I’m not in the federal government right now. I really wanted it but I couldn’t in good faith work for a Trump State Departmetn especially.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 15, 2016 • 1:03:30pm

re: #287 Dave In Austin

And this should assure us that he will never attempt to run again.

Hopefully he pinky swore.

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Edge of a dream AKA Cankles Mccellulite  Nov 15, 2016 • 1:04:15pm

re: #286 Belafon

Who are you talking to?

I don’t know any more.

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makeitstop  Nov 15, 2016 • 1:04:22pm

re: #270 lawhawk

If that’s the plan, *deleted* doesn’t begin to cover it.

Well, his Chief Strategist is on the record saying he wants to tear it all down. The Moron-Elect wants to ‘normalize’ relations with Russia, and a good number of his associates are already in Putin’s pocket.

It borders on the unthinkable. But the term ‘unthinkable’ pretty much became inoperative a week ago.

Anything can happen at this point and I’d have trouble working up a surprised face.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 15, 2016 • 1:04:35pm
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Lidane  Nov 15, 2016 • 1:05:00pm
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HappyWarrior  Nov 15, 2016 • 1:05:25pm

re: #292 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Got something you’re hiding Mikey?

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Decatur Deb  Nov 15, 2016 • 1:05:25pm

re: #231 Big Beautiful Door

He was the only modeler who thought Trump had a good chance of winning the election. I’d say its all his competitors whose brands have been badly damaged.

No problem, they can live on bugs.

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Big Beautiful Door  Nov 15, 2016 • 1:05:38pm

re: #282 Eclectic Cyborg

I was thinking more ACLU lawyers but good point.

The Kentucky House just went Republican, giving the GOP unified control of the state. This means all the crazy anti-choice legislation bottled up session after session will bubble to the surface and become law, creating a lot of work for ACLU lawyers.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 15, 2016 • 1:05:49pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 15, 2016 • 1:06:16pm

re: #294 HappyWarrior

Got something you’re hiding Mikey?

emails….

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Kragar  Nov 15, 2016 • 1:06:32pm

Eliot A. Cohen, who wrote one of the “Never Trump” pieces this year that called Mr. Trump’s view of American power and influence in the world “wildly inconsistent and unmoored in principle,” said in an interview on Tuesday that a Trump transition aide had asked him for recommendations for the national security team.

But when Mr. Cohen suggested the caveat that many foreign policy hands would enlist only if there were credible people leading national security agencies and departments, he said he received a vituperative email in response.

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Sir John Barron  Nov 15, 2016 • 1:07:01pm

re: #283 HappyWarrior

Wingnut grifting is harder though when the party’s in the WH though. Can’t write about how the Democrats are ruining everything.

Yeah but now they can write about now Democrats are totes blocking all obstruction and stuff that Trump wants to do and gee the GOP never obstructed Obama and give give give us your money.

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sagehen  Nov 15, 2016 • 1:07:08pm

re: #246 lawhawk

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We saw all of this during the campaign, and nearly all of it was tilted against Clinton, whether it was the email nonsense, or Benghazi, or AP making claims in headlines and tweets that weren’t supported by their underlying article.

Google and Facebook suddenly remember they’re global companies; if they enable the ratfucking of American elections, the rest of the world has ways to shut them down.

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Sir John Barron  Nov 15, 2016 • 1:07:44pm

re: #297 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Oh, this is gonna be good….

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Edge of a dream AKA Cankles Mccellulite  Nov 15, 2016 • 1:07:59pm

Lidane for President!

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Decatur Deb  Nov 15, 2016 • 1:08:14pm

re: #275 HappyWarrior

And some of them I must add were once told they weren’t really white. Hell I even have a 1910 census record with my Slovakian born great grandfather listed as a mulatto. My one grandfather remembered being scaerd when the KKK went through their town. I’m not “white.” I’m German-Irish-Slovak-Slovene and I’m proud of thoes cultures, yes but I don’t think it makes me superior in any shape or form.

When the Klan moved in PA, they were generally moving against the (Irish) Catholics and the union members.

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Interesting Times  Nov 15, 2016 • 1:10:07pm

re: #304 Decatur Deb

On another note, I was looking at Ana Navarro’s twitter feed, and it occurs to me you’re in an ideal position to comment on the appropriateness of this sentiment:

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Decatur Deb  Nov 15, 2016 • 1:10:21pm

re: #292 Backwoods_Sleuth

The missing Pence paperwork is reported as a Memorandum of Understanding between the Pence team and the Obama administration team. Christie’s MOU died with him.

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Decatur Deb  Nov 15, 2016 • 1:11:41pm

re: #305 Interesting Times

On another note, I was looking at Ana Navarro’s twitter feed, and it occurs to me you’re in an ideal position to comment on the appropriateness of this sentiment:

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Don’t get me started.

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Sir John Barron  Nov 15, 2016 • 1:12:19pm

re: #306 Decatur Deb

the missing Pence paperwork is reported as a Memorandum of Understanding between the Pence team and the Obama asministration team. Christie’s MOU died with him.

So, Obama’s fault then.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 15, 2016 • 1:12:35pm

re: #293 Lidane

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It’s long but it’s really really good. Too most But Bernie types won’t read it because they’re convinced that Bernie and only Bernie understands the WWC.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 15, 2016 • 1:13:05pm
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Charles Johnson  Nov 15, 2016 • 1:13:48pm
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HappyWarrior  Nov 15, 2016 • 1:13:57pm

re: #304 Decatur Deb

When the Klan moved in PA, they were generally moving against the (Irish) Catholics and the union members.

Yeah, Grandma and Grandpa’s fathers were both UMWA men. Not Irish but Eastern European.

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Decatur Deb  Nov 15, 2016 • 1:13:58pm

re: #308 Sir John Barron

So, Obama’s fault then.

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Heh. Described as required by an existing law. It sets the ground rules for who will do what to who and who is responsible for Joe Biden.

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Varek Raith  Nov 15, 2016 • 1:14:25pm

re: #311 Charles Johnson

/You must be super rich!

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Nyet  Nov 15, 2016 • 1:14:49pm

re: #310 Backwoods_Sleuth

It’s cool that the ape has resigned. Back to the zoo with her.

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Sir John Barron  Nov 15, 2016 • 1:14:52pm

re: #310 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Wouldn’t be surprised to see the mayor of this town run again and win and the other woman be rehired in a week or two after the dust clears and they think no one’s paying attention.

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Sir John Barron  Nov 15, 2016 • 1:15:16pm

re: #315 Nyet

It’s cool that the ape has resigned. Back to the zoo with her.

Into the deplorables basket…

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lawhawk  Nov 15, 2016 • 1:15:28pm

re: #306 Decatur Deb

the missing Pence paperwork is reported as a Memorandum of Understanding between the Pence team and the Obama asministration team. Christie’s MOU died with him.

Christie causes another massive backup on his way out the door.

How utterly predictable.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 15, 2016 • 1:15:34pm
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Nyet  Nov 15, 2016 • 1:15:47pm

re: #317 Sir John Barron

Into the deplorables basket…

She was always in there…

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Sir John Barron  Nov 15, 2016 • 1:16:02pm

re: #311 Charles Johnson

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ask them why they care about the protesters. What are the protesters doing wrong?

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HappyWarrior  Nov 15, 2016 • 1:16:24pm

re: #319 Backwoods_Sleuth

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We’re gonna miss Harry.

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sagehen  Nov 15, 2016 • 1:16:46pm

re: #268 makeitstop

I hate to sounds paranoid here, but…

We’re all looking at how fucked up the transition is so far and attributing it to incompetence.

What if this is the plan?

theonion.com

FBI Uncovers Al-Qaeda Plot To Just Sit Back And Enjoy Collapse Of United States

A recent al-Qaeda video shows a militant training to carry out his mission of lying back and watching America’s status as a superpower erode
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Interesting Times  Nov 15, 2016 • 1:17:59pm

re: #315 Nyet

It’s cool that the ape has resigned. Back to the zoo with her.

Of course, it just goes to show that the mayor of some podunk West Virginia town is held to higher standards of behavior than the US President-elect o_O

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William Lewis  Nov 15, 2016 • 1:20:00pm

Got back from my tuesday service and lunch. Our guy who calls himself a bircher & said he voted for Trump even though he wasn’t good enough was blatting about how we’ll all be prosperous! Soon! Didn’t want to hear that Trump inherited his wealth or about the 6 bankruptcies because everything will be Fine! Prosperous!

The two older ladies who are old style republicans and couldn’t vote otherwise for any reason (though the one did comment about how many democratic women she knew that said the couldn’t vote for Hillary out of hate) hadn’t heard about the plans of Granny-Starver for Medicare & Social Security and were going to write our Republican congressional incompetent to complain (triple facepalm).

There are some severe disappointments coming, especially when the economy goes south seriously in, I’m gonna guess, 18 months. No jobs, higher taxes for everyone but the rich, and no more safety net is going to be a nasty mess.

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(alpuz)  Nov 15, 2016 • 1:21:19pm

re: #325 William Lewis

Especially where you’re living.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 15, 2016 • 1:21:26pm
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Edge of a dream AKA Cankles Mccellulite  Nov 15, 2016 • 1:22:12pm

What about the emails, Mika and Joe?

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HappyWarrior  Nov 15, 2016 • 1:22:43pm

re: #327 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Glad Kander is still speaking out. He’s more conservative than many of us are I imagine but he would have been a welcome voice to the Dem Senate Caucus.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 15, 2016 • 1:23:54pm

Really…this is EPIC.

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Nyet  Nov 15, 2016 • 1:25:20pm

re: #330 Backwoods_Sleuth

I wanted to write “accomplishes zilch tho”, but then thought better of it: pressure needs to be kept.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 15, 2016 • 1:26:05pm
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Charles Johnson  Nov 15, 2016 • 1:27:21pm
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HappyWarrior  Nov 15, 2016 • 1:27:37pm

re: #332 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Awesome. It’s too bad he’s leaving but I hear good things about his successor.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 15, 2016 • 1:27:58pm
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HappyWarrior  Nov 15, 2016 • 1:28:08pm

re: #333 Charles Johnson

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But it was economic axieties!

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leftynyc  Nov 15, 2016 • 1:29:01pm

re: #294 HappyWarrior

Got something you’re hiding Mikey?

I read someplace they’re wanting to change the wording. We can only imagine why.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 15, 2016 • 1:29:10pm
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HappyWarrior  Nov 15, 2016 • 1:29:20pm

re: #335 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Fuck Cornyn. Breitbart and Trump are everything Reid says they are. Tough shit, Senator, your party nominated and elected a racist asshole and Breitbart has never shown itself ot be anything but racist.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 15, 2016 • 1:29:56pm

re: #338 Backwoods_Sleuth

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That’s pretty much exactly what they’re saying. Really fuck them.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 15, 2016 • 1:30:33pm

BTW hate to ask again but where is the man we supposedly should have nominated?

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Edge of a dream AKA Cankles Mccellulite  Nov 15, 2016 • 1:31:07pm

Most of us pro Zionists .omg… I don’t care anymore.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 15, 2016 • 1:31:11pm

If Sanders wants to be a legitimate leader in this party, it’d be a good time to start instead of trashing the party’s results with a demographic that has been running away from them for a while onw.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 15, 2016 • 1:31:38pm

re: #342 Edge of a dream AKA Cankles Mccellulite

Most of us pro Zionists .omg… I don’t care anymore.

They really think Israel is the only way you can determine someone’s position on Jews. Pathetic.

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Charles Johnson  Nov 15, 2016 • 1:34:11pm
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Edge of a dream AKA Cankles Mccellulite  Nov 15, 2016 • 1:37:06pm

re: #344 HappyWarrior

They really think Israel is the only way you can determine someone’s position on Jews. Pathetic.

Unfortunately, you rock. If you suck, more women will want you. I hate that I’m right.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 15, 2016 • 1:38:45pm

re: #346 Edge of a dream AKA Cankles Mccellulite

Unfortunately, you rock. If you suck, more women will want you. I hate that I’m right.

I’m not Jewish but I have researched Antisemitism and did my college term paper on the pogroms. So many right wingers in this country are in denial about the right’s historical role in shaping Antisemitism.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 15, 2016 • 1:39:21pm

re: #345 Charles Johnson

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Oh that’s nice to know. No wonder why Sean Hannity likes them so much. Maybe Sean will get a job. He’s not a journalist as he said. //

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Barefoot Grin  Nov 15, 2016 • 1:39:56pm

re: #234 Sir John Barron

Transition Team: Mr. Trump, we have a number of national security positions to fill, but many of our best choices are declining to serve.

Trump: So. Call up NBC and the Apprentice people. They have to know somebody. Or call Rudy. What’s he doing these days?

See, it’s a breath of fresh air as they drain the swamp and stop the same old way of doing business….

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Edge of a dream AKA Cankles Mccellulite  Nov 15, 2016 • 1:40:06pm

re: #347 HappyWarrior

I’m not Jewish but I have researched Antisemitism and did my college term paper on the pogroms. So many right wingers in this country are in denial about the right’s historical role in shaping Antisemitism.

I hope you are right sweetheart. because you are a sweetheart.

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Kragar  Nov 15, 2016 • 1:41:16pm

re: #345 Charles Johnson

See #299

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Nyet  Nov 15, 2016 • 1:41:46pm

KIEV, Nov 15 (Reuters) - U.S. President-elect Donald Trump and Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko agreed during a telephone call to hold a bilateral meeting, Poroshenko’s office said on Tuesday.

It said Poroshenko also stressed the need for resolute U.S. support of Ukraine in countering what it called Russian aggression. It did not specify when a meeting could take place.

Ukrainian authorities are laying the groundwork for Poroshenko to visit Washington early next year, hoping to shore up U.S. support against Russia and allay concerns about what a Trump presidency means for Kiev. (Reporting by Matthias Williams; editing by Mark Heinrich)

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Belafon  Nov 15, 2016 • 1:42:39pm

re: #352 Nyet

It means you should have kept the nukes.

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Edge of a dream AKA Cankles Mccellulite  Nov 15, 2016 • 1:43:03pm

re: #351 Kragar

See #299

Kragar, Stop being intelligent!

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Nyet  Nov 15, 2016 • 1:43:31pm

re: #353 Belafon

It means you should have kept the nukes.

Yep.

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lawhawk  Nov 15, 2016 • 1:44:04pm

Legal analogies. How do they work.

Depriving people of their civil and human rights (aka Dred Scott) is same as overturning Obergefell.

In this respect, it works - Dred Scott being imposed and overturning Obergefell are meant to protect the status quo ante - namely preserving rights for a privileged few. Expanding rights is bad, especially when it comes to minorities and LGBT.

Winning elections have consequences - and selecting judges is one of them. Being able to confirm them is another - and the GOP controls the process in a majority of states, and now they can do the same at the federal level.

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Nyet  Nov 15, 2016 • 1:44:13pm

re: #354 Edge of a dream AKA Cankles Mccellulite

Kragar, Stop being intelligent!

Don’t we need more intelligence in these dark times, not less?

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HappyWarrior  Nov 15, 2016 • 1:46:37pm

re: #356 lawhawk

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Legal analogies. How do they work.

Depriving people of their civil and human rights (aka Dred Scott) is same as overturning Obergefell.

In this respect, it works - Dred Scott being imposed and overturning Obergefell are meant to protect the status quo ante - namely preserving rights for a privileged few. Expanding rights is bad, especially when it comes to minorities and LGBT.

Winning elections have consequences - and selecting judges is one of them. Being able to confirm them is another - and the GOP controls the process in a majority of states, and now they can do the same at the federal level.

It takes a sick son of a bitch to compare Obergefell to Dred Scott. Goddamnit Staver, you’re a fucked bastard. There’s the tough guy conservative again though. So insecure about same sex marriage that he has compare it to literally the worst Supreme Court decision in history becaues he’s so insecure about his own sexuality.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 15, 2016 • 1:46:53pm

re: #350 Edge of a dream AKA Cankles Mccellulite

I hope you are right sweetheart. because you are a sweetheart.

I know I’m right heh.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 15, 2016 • 1:48:06pm

re: #352 Nyet

Man I do not envy Poroshenko. I wouldn’t be able to trust anything Trump said or listen to him speak without getting angry the way Trump has shown his total ignorance of what has gone in Ukraine.

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Nyet  Nov 15, 2016 • 1:48:52pm

re: #358 HappyWarrior

Staver is still smarter than Trump though because in practical terms he is right.

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Edge of a dream AKA Cankles Mccellulite  Nov 15, 2016 • 1:49:20pm

re: #357 Nyet

Don’t we need more intelligence in these dark times, not less?

Intelligence. Ok. My step dad was Russian. Now Putin is a hero.

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Decatur Deb  Nov 15, 2016 • 1:50:06pm

re: #353 Belafon

re: #355 Nyet

Seems so in hindsight, but unless you are very, very rich the care and feeding of them is a freakn’ nightmare.

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Belafon  Nov 15, 2016 • 1:50:27pm

re: #362 Edge of a dream AKA Cankles Mccellulite

Intelligence. Ok. My step dad was Russian. Now Putin is a hero.

Don’t quite get what you’re aiming for there.

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Jenner7  Nov 15, 2016 • 1:50:39pm
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 15, 2016 • 1:52:59pm

re: #197 Nyet

A Muslim woman in Louisiana who told police she was attacked with a metal object and robbed of her headscarf and wallet by two men wearing Donald Trump clothing just hours after Trump was elected president admitted to police today that she made it up, Lafayette police told ABC News.

so there we have it folks, proof that any and all news about racist attacks or vandalism are made up or false flags.

why so much hate on the left?

/

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 15, 2016 • 1:53:00pm
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Edge of a dream AKA Cankles Mccellulite  Nov 15, 2016 • 1:53:08pm

re: #364 Belafon

Don’t quite get what you’re aiming for there.

Forgive moi, Belofan. but trust me, I am on your side.

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Nyet  Nov 15, 2016 • 1:53:42pm

re: #365 Jenner7

Missing Rudy yet?

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EPR-radar  Nov 15, 2016 • 1:53:51pm

re: #365 Jenner7

That would be logical. Kobach is a loyal GOP party hack and dedicated vote suppressor. What better qualifications can exist for attorney-general in RWNJ-land?

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electrotek  Nov 15, 2016 • 1:54:02pm

re: #197 Nyet

Emmm.

abcnews.go.com

I hate her so much.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 15, 2016 • 1:55:05pm

re: #229 lawhawk

The good news keeps rolling in. That means the core natsec positions will go unfilled, or filled by less qualified people who don’t have the institutional knowledge to do their jobs efficiently and professionally.

.

And a lot more will be quitting when they see what they have let themselves be talked into….

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EPR-radar  Nov 15, 2016 • 1:56:00pm

re: #367 Backwoods_Sleuth

Sanders really is being an idiot. The worst case scenario under Trump is that the US starts World War III while implementing domestic ‘final solutions’ vs. targets of the Trump regime.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 15, 2016 • 1:58:47pm

How you can tell Trump is running out of people to convince to be part of his administration:

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HappyWarrior  Nov 15, 2016 • 1:59:42pm

re: #361 Nyet

Staver is still smarter than Trump though because in practical terms he is right.

I do have to admit, I was very confused by how Trump talks about going after Roe which is much more settled law than Obergefell.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 15, 2016 • 2:00:18pm

re: #365 Jenner7

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Same thought as Armando.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 15, 2016 • 2:01:02pm

re: #367 Backwoods_Sleuth

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How very white of him, pun intended. No respect at all for this man anymore.

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Belafon  Nov 15, 2016 • 2:01:03pm

re: #375 HappyWarrior

I do have to admit, I was very confused by how Trump talks about going after Roe which is much more settled law than Obergefell.

Because Republicans have been whittling away at Roe.

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electrotek  Nov 15, 2016 • 2:01:07pm

re: #373 EPR-radar

Sanders really is being an idiot. The worst case scenario under Trump is that the US starts World War III while implementing domestic ‘final solutions’ vs. targets of the Trump regime.

So bringing back World War 2 era tax rates should be the least of our worries if that’s the case.

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Decatur Deb  Nov 15, 2016 • 2:01:26pm

re: #375 HappyWarrior

I do have to admit, I was very confused by how Trump talks about going after Roe which is much more settled law than Obergefell.

Do you get the sense that every concept that is not “Trump” is very much the same to him?

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EPR-radar  Nov 15, 2016 • 2:01:29pm

Here’s an excellent analysis of Trump’s win and upcoming presidency:medium.com

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HappyWarrior  Nov 15, 2016 • 2:01:47pm

re: #373 EPR-radar

Sanders really is being an idiot. The worst case scenario under Trump is that the US starts World War III while implementing domestic ‘final solutions’ vs. targets of the Trump regime.

Sanders wants to continue to act like if we just listen to him on the WWC, all will be gravy. I’ve had it with him and his fucking ego.

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BlueSpotinAL  Nov 15, 2016 • 2:01:58pm

In Jon McNaughton’s (wingnut painter) masterpeice “Wake Up America” Putin is applauding the election of Barack Obama (presumably a bad thing). Will Putin be in a painting applauding Trump (and Jesus - must have Jesus!)?

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HappyWarrior  Nov 15, 2016 • 2:02:05pm

re: #378 Belafon

Because Republicans have been whittling away at Roe.

True that.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 15, 2016 • 2:02:07pm
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Decatur Deb  Nov 15, 2016 • 2:02:46pm

re: #381 EPR-radar

Here’s an excellent analysis of Trump’s win and upcoming presidency:medium.com

Left out a few “fucks”.

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Charles Johnson  Nov 15, 2016 • 2:02:48pm
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EPR-radar  Nov 15, 2016 • 2:03:18pm

re: #378 Belafon

Because Republicans have been whittling away at Roe.

If we get 5 RWNJ ‘justices’ that will overturn Roe, everything is on the table, up to and including Brown v Board of Education.

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EPR-radar  Nov 15, 2016 • 2:03:40pm

re: #386 Decatur Deb

Left out a few “fucks”.

I liked the pie chart. Very informative.

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Stanley Sea  Nov 15, 2016 • 2:04:13pm

Kushner took out a family revenge on Christie.

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The Vicious Babushka  Nov 15, 2016 • 2:04:44pm

This is my congress person==>

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Jack Burton  Nov 15, 2016 • 2:04:50pm

re: #367 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Still a one trick pony.

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Decatur Deb  Nov 15, 2016 • 2:05:50pm

re: #387 Charles Johnson

…(as the Trump admin surely will be), *participation is support*.

They will only be following orders.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 15, 2016 • 2:06:26pm

re: #390 Stanley Sea

Kushner took out a family revenge on Christie.

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That’s definitely not a good sign. I probably wouldn’t have liked a lot of Rogers policies as Def Sec but he’s qualified and would probably be competent sort of how I felt about Bob Gates when Bush picked him after Rumsfeld left.

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electrotek  Nov 15, 2016 • 2:06:35pm

Anyone remember the days when Chris Christie stood up to Islamophobia?

Man I miss those days.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 15, 2016 • 2:06:42pm
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EPR-radar  Nov 15, 2016 • 2:06:42pm

re: #392 Jack Burton

Still a one trick pony.

Sanders should just become a Republican. To put forth campaign finance as a worst case scenario under Trump is a Republican-level disconnect from reality.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 15, 2016 • 2:07:32pm

re: #397 EPR-radar

Sanders should just become a Republican. To put forth campaign finance as a worst case scenario under Trump is a Republican-level disconnect from reality.

At this point, I’m actually hoping for a serious challenge to him that calls him out on his total insensitivity to the issues of minorities in this country.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 15, 2016 • 2:08:27pm

re: #395 electrotek

Anyone remember the days when Chris Christie stood up to Islamophobia?

Man I miss those days.

And to think there was a time when I might have considered him as a candidate

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HappyWarrior  Nov 15, 2016 • 2:08:47pm

re: #396 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Well my bet is they’re going to hate D.C since D.C. is so diverse so I ebt a lot of them will go to Virginia and then cry up a storm when they find we in NOVA and our SOMD neighbors are just as diverse. So glad I’m not working for the Feds. Never ever thought I’d say that!

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Belafon  Nov 15, 2016 • 2:08:54pm

re: #397 EPR-radar

Sanders should just become a Republican. To put forth campaign finance as a worst case scenario under Trump is a Republican-level disconnect from reality.

Here’s a worst case: Due to Trump’s agreement with Putin, the US pulls its troops from countries sharing a border with Russia. Russia takes the opportunity to “reassert itself” in those countries, including those that are now NATO countries. As this occurs, the rest of NATO gets together to defend the countries, starting a major war in Europe.

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electrotek  Nov 15, 2016 • 2:09:08pm

re: #399 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

And to think there was a time when I might have considered him as a candidate

You’re not the only one.

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electrotek  Nov 15, 2016 • 2:09:30pm

re: #396 Backwoods_Sleuth

That’s one way to fight the effects of gentrification I suppose.

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Edge of a dream AKA Cankles Mccellulite  Nov 15, 2016 • 2:09:54pm

Now that Donald Trump is President, the media is worried he might be a racist asshole.

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Myron Falwell (no relation)  Nov 15, 2016 • 2:10:39pm

re: #381 EPR-radar

Here’s an excellent analysis of Trump’s win and upcoming presidency:medium.com

It also featured one of the more relevant pie charts I’ve seen in a long time.

Fuck fuck fuck.
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HappyWarrior  Nov 15, 2016 • 2:10:59pm

re: #405 Myron Falwell (no relation)

It also featured one of the more relevant pie charts I’ve seen in a long time.

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Fuck? :(

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Jebediah, RBG  Nov 15, 2016 • 2:11:10pm

re: #398 HappyWarrior

At this point, I’m actually hoping for a serious challenge to him that calls him out on his total insensitivity to the issues of minorities in this country.

Might be tough, though, since Vermont is one of the whitest places on Earth.

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The Vicious Babushka  Nov 15, 2016 • 2:11:16pm
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EPR-radar  Nov 15, 2016 • 2:11:34pm

re: #396 Backwoods_Sleuth

Brothels in DC will see an uptick in their business, but they will have to hire more bouncers etc. to handle abusive customers.

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Decatur Deb  Nov 15, 2016 • 2:12:07pm

re: #406 HappyWarrior

Fuck? :(

You have to read the entire text to get the nuance.

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electrotek  Nov 15, 2016 • 2:12:30pm

re: #401 Belafon

Here’s a worst case: Due to Trump’s agreement with Putin, the US pulls its troops from countries sharing a border with Russia. Russia takes the opportunity to “reassert itself” in those countries, including those that are now NATO countries. As this occurs, the rest of NATO gets together to defend the countries, starting a major war in Europe.

Georgia is going to get fucked over twice in a decade-long span.

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Charles Johnson  Nov 15, 2016 • 2:12:59pm
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Nyet  Nov 15, 2016 • 2:13:05pm

re: #390 Stanley Sea

Buried in the text is the scary bit: Flynn in charge of selecting natsec people.

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I Would Prefer Not To  Nov 15, 2016 • 2:13:06pm

re: #409 EPR-radar

Brothels in DC will see an uptick in their business, but they will have to hire more rent boys bouncers etc. to handle repressed abusive customers.

Fixed

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Barefoot Grin  Nov 15, 2016 • 2:13:31pm

re: #410 Decatur Deb

You have to read the entire text to get the nuance.

I like my fuck to be represented in towercharts.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 15, 2016 • 2:13:57pm

re: #407 Jebediah, RBG

Might be tough, though, since Vermont is one of the whitest places on Earth.

Yeah certainly will be. It’s not something I want to prioritize obviously but I won’t shed any tears if Bernie has to worry about a Democrat taking his seat either.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 15, 2016 • 2:14:12pm

re: #410 Decatur Deb

You have to read the entire text to get the nuance.

I got the nuance.

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Barefoot Grin  Nov 15, 2016 • 2:14:13pm

re: #414 I Would Prefer Not To

Fixed

Bring the diapers!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 15, 2016 • 2:14:30pm

gaaahhhh

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electrotek  Nov 15, 2016 • 2:14:32pm

For all the talk of political correctness, we may see MORE of it with their refusal to call it for what it is: white supremacy.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 15, 2016 • 2:15:02pm

re: #413 Nyet

Buried in the text is the scary bit: Flynn in charge of selecting natsec people.

Flynn might just get Sec-Def.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 15, 2016 • 2:16:04pm

re: #419 Backwoods_Sleuth

gaaahhhh

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35 bucks for a t-shirt?!?!?! And that probably doens’t include shipping. Damn the concert tee I’m wearing was cheaper than that and concert t’s are notoriously overpriced.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 15, 2016 • 2:16:39pm

re: #420 electrotek

For all the talk of political correctness, we may see MORE of it with their refusal to call it for what it is: white supremacy.

That’s an irony. “White nationalist” is PC talk for white supremacist.

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Decatur Deb  Nov 15, 2016 • 2:17:00pm

re: #422 HappyWarrior

35 bucks for a t-shirt?!?!?! And that probably doens’t include shipping. Damn the concert tee I’m wearing was cheaper than that and concert t’s are notoriously overpriced.

Can your band launch a bunch of Minutemen?

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HappyWarrior  Nov 15, 2016 • 2:17:36pm

re: #424 Decatur Deb

Can your band launch a bunch of Minutemen?

No but it can make a Friday night kick ass.

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lawhawk  Nov 15, 2016 • 2:17:53pm

re: #412 Charles Johnson

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electrotek  Nov 15, 2016 • 2:18:02pm

re: #423 HappyWarrior

That’s an irony. “White nationalist” is PC talk for white supremacist.

But they cry about BLM lol

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Jebediah, RBG  Nov 15, 2016 • 2:18:20pm

re: #424 Decatur Deb

What if your band is the Minutemen, though?

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HappyWarrior  Nov 15, 2016 • 2:18:21pm

re: #427 electrotek

But they cry about BLM lol

Because they’re fucking wimps.

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Decatur Deb  Nov 15, 2016 • 2:19:16pm

re: #425 HappyWarrior

No but it can make a Friday night kick ass.

That made me think of Trump’s state entertainment events. Ted Nugent is going to be in the Kennedy Center Honors.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 15, 2016 • 2:20:12pm

re: #430 Decatur Deb

That made me think of Trump’s state entertainment events. Ted Nugent is going to be in the Kennedy Center Honors.

Oh man the inauguration day music is going to suck. Nugent, uhh Wayne Newton, and not sure who else in music supports him.

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Jebediah, RBG  Nov 15, 2016 • 2:20:50pm

re: #431 HappyWarrior

Skrewdriver?

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Belafon  Nov 15, 2016 • 2:20:55pm

re: #431 HappyWarrior

Oh man the inauguration day music is going to suck. Nugent, uhh Wayne Newton, and not sure who else in music supports him.

I bet a few country stars.

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Nyet  Nov 15, 2016 • 2:21:01pm

re: #401 Belafon

Here’s a worst case: Due to Trump’s agreement with Putin, the US pulls its troops from countries sharing a border with Russia. Russia takes the opportunity to “reassert itself” in those countries, including those that are now NATO countries. As this occurs, the rest of NATO gets together to defend the countries, starting a major war in Europe.

Improbable though. Moves against Ukraine and Belarus realistic though.

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CuriousLurker  Nov 15, 2016 • 2:21:20pm

re: #176 Charles Johnson

It looks like the “major media company” Breitbart is supposedly suing may be CNN.

Ginger Snapped claims credit in 5, 4, 3…

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Decatur Deb  Nov 15, 2016 • 2:21:36pm

re: #433 Belafon

I bet a few country stars.

Please tell me Meatloaf hasn’t gone that weird.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 15, 2016 • 2:21:38pm
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HappyWarrior  Nov 15, 2016 • 2:21:44pm

re: #433 Belafon

I bet a few country stars.

But none of the good ones. We always have the cool ones like Willie, Steve Earle, Lucinda Williams, and others.

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electrotek  Nov 15, 2016 • 2:22:00pm

re: #429 HappyWarrior

Because they’re fucking wimps.

Good thing all the musical avenues I’m into are pro-justice.

re: #419 Backwoods_Sleuth

gaaahhhh

LMFAO

If Depeche Mode of all groups can’t get me to pay $40 for their t-shirt (and I’m a HUGE fan of DM), how the fuck does Cheeto Jesus think I will spend $5 less to “Make America Great Again”?

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Decatur Deb  Nov 15, 2016 • 2:22:21pm

re: #435 CuriousLurker

Ginger Snapped claims credit in 5, 4, 3…

With this gang of idiots he might have been the instigator.

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sagehen  Nov 15, 2016 • 2:22:25pm

re: #375 HappyWarrior

I do have to admit, I was very confused by how Trump talks about going after Roe which is much more settled law than Obergefell.

Because Peter Thiel cares about Obergefell. There’s nobody in Trump’s orbit who cares about preserving Roe.

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The Vicious Babushka  Nov 15, 2016 • 2:22:29pm

More suck from 2016

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HappyWarrior  Nov 15, 2016 • 2:22:41pm

re: #437 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Oh really Mitch? You’re playing this. God that takes balls. Balls McConnell never shows when dealing with his own party.

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Belafon  Nov 15, 2016 • 2:22:42pm

re: #437 Backwoods_Sleuth

Don’t even try to pull that bullshit, Mitch.

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The Vicious Babushka  Nov 15, 2016 • 2:23:25pm
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Edge of a dream AKA Cankles Mccellulite  Nov 15, 2016 • 2:23:38pm

re: #436 Decatur Deb

Please tell me Meatloaf hasn’t gone that weird.

Meatloaf has gone that weird.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 15, 2016 • 2:23:39pm

re: #441 sagehen

Because Peter Thiel cares about Obergefell. There’s nobody in Trump’s orbit who cares about preserving Roe.

That is true.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Nov 15, 2016 • 2:23:40pm

re: #434 Nyet

Russia won Muldova with the election the other day too. This will mostly be their strategy. Puppet leaders in ex-Soviet states. And the US.

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Jenner7  Nov 15, 2016 • 2:23:47pm

re: #437 Backwoods_Sleuth

Get fucked, Mitch!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 15, 2016 • 2:23:57pm
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HappyWarrior  Nov 15, 2016 • 2:24:38pm

re: #446 Edge of a dream AKA Cankles Mccellulite

Meatloaf has gone that weird.

At least when Meatloaf supported Romney, eh wasn’t a dick about it. Stupid, yes but not a hateful prick like Nugent. Not a fan of Meatloaf’s music really but he seems okay. Joe Perry of Aerosmith is conservative but seems alright. He seemed genuinely excited to meet Obama.

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Decatur Deb  Nov 15, 2016 • 2:24:53pm

re: #446 Edge of a dream AKA Cankles Mccellulite

Meatloaf has gone that weird.

He would do anything for Trump?

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wrenchwench  Nov 15, 2016 • 2:25:05pm

re: #442 The Vicious Babushka

More suck from 2016

Mose Allison - Your Mind Is On Vacation

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HappyWarrior  Nov 15, 2016 • 2:25:20pm

re: #452 Decatur Deb

He would do anything for Trump?

But he won’t do that (hang out with Steve Bannon).

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Belafon  Nov 15, 2016 • 2:25:36pm

re: #452 Decatur Deb

He would do anything for Trump?

Not…going….to…respond….

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BeachDem  Nov 15, 2016 • 2:25:42pm

re: #335 Backwoods_Sleuth

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I’m sure Harry is horribly worried about Cornyn’s rebuke. Why—he might lose his re-election bid!!!
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EPR-radar  Nov 15, 2016 • 2:25:44pm

re: #441 sagehen

Because Peter Thiel cares about Obergefell. There’s nobody in Trump’s orbit who cares about preserving Roe.

That is going to mean nothing at all in practice, unless Thiel is personally put on SCOTUS by Trump.

Any normal RWNJ jurist that would overturn Roe is also a guaranteed vote against Obergefell.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 15, 2016 • 2:25:52pm
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Myron Falwell (no relation)  Nov 15, 2016 • 2:26:24pm

re: #430 Decatur Deb

That made me think of Trump’s state entertainment events. Ted Nugent is going to be in the Kennedy Center Honors.

Ted Nugent, Stephen Baldwin, Omorosa, the Robertson clan, Wayne Newton, James F—ING Woods, Jon F—ING Voight…

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HappyWarrior  Nov 15, 2016 • 2:27:00pm

re: #439 electrotek

Good thing all the musical avenues I’m into are pro-justice.

LMFAO

If Depeche Mode of all groups can’t get me to pay $40 for their t-shirt (and I’m a HUGE fan of DM), how the fuck does Cheeto Jesus think I will spend $5 less to “Make America Great Again”?

My favorite venue in D.C is probably the 9:30 Club or Black Cat. I don’t like stadium like venues. Ideally, I’d see a band in a bar and get to chat with the musicians afterwards. I’m no musician myself but I love talking music. One of my former camp counselors is a songwriter baesd out of Portland.

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Sir John Barron  Nov 15, 2016 • 2:27:59pm

re: #405 Myron Falwell (no relation)

It also featured one of the more relevant pie charts I’ve seen in a long time.

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seems complicated. Can’t you make it simpler?

/

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EPR-radar  Nov 15, 2016 • 2:28:46pm

re: #461 Sir John Barron

seems complicated. Can’t you make it simpler?

/

We’re fucked!

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HappyWarrior  Nov 15, 2016 • 2:29:03pm

re: #458 Backwoods_Sleuth

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What a painfully stupid map. Hey Breitbart assholes, if you like the “Heartland” so much, why don’t you actually live there? Oh wait, you’re elitist dipshits who could never live there just like the National Review which hates on liberal “elites” despite being founded by an elitist douchebag who spoke with a transatlantic accent,

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HappyWarrior  Nov 15, 2016 • 2:29:49pm

re: #459 Myron Falwell (no relation)

Ted Nugent, Stephen Baldwin, Omorosa, the Robertson clan, Wayne Newton, James F—-ING Woods, Jon F—-ING Voight…

Confession I actally used to like Woods even when I knew he was a wingnut. He’s become quite an asshole about it though.

465
Decatur Deb  Nov 15, 2016 • 2:30:45pm

re: #464 HappyWarrior

Confession I actally used to like Woods even when I knew he was a wingnut. He’s become quite an asshole about it though.

Jon Voight has come a long way from Midnight Cowboy.

466
CuriousLurker  Nov 15, 2016 • 2:31:10pm

re: #335 Backwoods_Sleuth

[Embedded content]

Wait—I thought being PC was bad, gotta tell it like it is.

467
sagehen  Nov 15, 2016 • 2:31:51pm

re: #431 HappyWarrior

Oh man the inauguration day music is going to suck. Nugent, uhh Wayne Newton, and not sure who else in music supports him.

Lee Greenwood? Charlie Daniels?

468
Myron Falwell (no relation)  Nov 15, 2016 • 2:31:56pm

re: #465 Decatur Deb

Jon Voight has come a long way from Midnight Cowboy.

I’d rather have John Voight the Dentist.

469
HappyWarrior  Nov 15, 2016 • 2:32:10pm

re: #467 sagehen

Lee Greenwood? Charlie Daniels?

Yeah good picks.

470
Edge of a dream AKA Cankles Mccellulite  Nov 15, 2016 • 2:32:31pm

Good thing, all right wing assholes hate me.

471
HappyWarrior  Nov 15, 2016 • 2:32:39pm

re: #465 Decatur Deb

Jon Voight has come a long way from Midnight Cowboy.

Sure has. He’s another one I liked but has shown himself to be a bit of a jerk.

472
electrotek  Nov 15, 2016 • 2:32:51pm

Can we start terraforming Mars already? Earth is already fucked with wingnuts the world over.

Can we start fresh?

473
GlutenFreeJesus  Nov 15, 2016 • 2:33:42pm

re: #472 electrotek

Can we start terraforming Mars already? Earth is already fucked with wingnuts the world over.

Can we start fresh?

Uh. Mars was Earth.

(at least that’s my take on it)

474
Myron Falwell (no relation)  Nov 15, 2016 • 2:33:55pm

re: #467 sagehen

Lee Greenwood? Charlie Daniels?

Throw in Toby Keith for good measure.

475
Teukka  Nov 15, 2016 • 2:33:57pm

re: #434 Nyet

Improbable though. Moves against Ukraine and Belarus realistic though.

A move against Finland, what’s the probability on that? It would be a place unexpected, that’s for sure.

476
sagehen  Nov 15, 2016 • 2:34:00pm

re: #451 HappyWarrior

At least when Meatloaf supported Romney, eh wasn’t a dick about it. Stupid, yes but not a hateful prick like Nugent. Not a fan of Meatloaf’s music really but he seems okay. Joe Perry of Aerosmith is conservative but seems alright. He seemed genuinely excited to meet Obama.

I am a fan of Meatloaf’s music; it’s only when he speaks his opinions that he irritates me.

477
HappyWarrior  Nov 15, 2016 • 2:34:17pm

Honestly, I find a lot of conservative actors hilarious becaues they’re constantly whining about how tough it is for htem to find work. Many of them just aren’t talented or have no range. Like R Lee Ermey. Man he was perfect as the drill sergeant in Full Metal Jacket but the man’s 70 now, there’s not that big of a market for roles he can play unless they made a movie about a retired drill sergeant. And Voight is doing well in Ray Donovan from what I understand.

478
HappyWarrior  Nov 15, 2016 • 2:34:43pm

re: #474 Myron Falwell (no relation)

Throw in Toby Keith for good measure.

Toby Keith actually isn’t as conservative as people think. I still think he’s a bit of an ass though.

479
HappyWarrior  Nov 15, 2016 • 2:35:40pm

re: #476 sagehen

I am a fan of Meatloaf’s music; it’s only when he speaks his opinions that he irritates me.

I don’t hate. Just not my kind of music. He’s far from the worst conservative in music though. Nuge and Gene Simmons take that prize for me since they’re total assholes. I don’t think ML has ever called people parasites or mocked people with depression the way those two have.

480
Thanos  Nov 15, 2016 • 2:35:42pm

Meanwhile Instapukeit is whinging about safe spaces at universities and calling them exclusionary to Trump voters…

481
electrotek  Nov 15, 2016 • 2:35:58pm

re: #477 HappyWarrior

Honestly, I find a lot of conservative actors hilarious becaues they’re constantly whining about how tough it is for htem to find work. Many of them just aren’t talented or have no range. Like R Lee Ermey. Man he was perfect as the drill sergeant in Full Metal Jacket but the man’s 70 now, there’s not that big of a market for roles he can play unless they made a movie about a retired drill sergeant. And Voight is doing well in Ray Donovan from what I understand.

Apu should NEVER tried to sacrifice his life for James Woods.

482
Belafon  Nov 15, 2016 • 2:36:27pm

re: #434 Nyet

Improbable though. Moves against Ukraine and Belarus realistic though.

I was going for worst case.

483
HappyWarrior  Nov 15, 2016 • 2:36:40pm

re: #481 electrotek

Apu should NEVER tried to sacrifice his life for James Woods.

ROFLMAO. At least Peter Griffin got him eventually though. Ooohj piece of candy.

484
HappyWarrior  Nov 15, 2016 • 2:37:10pm

re: #480 Thanos

Meanwhile Instapukeit is whinging about safe spaces at universities and calling them exclusionary to Trump voters…

From the people who brought us Reaganbook and Conserveopedia.

485
Eventual Carrion  Nov 15, 2016 • 2:37:30pm

re: #332 Backwoods_Sleuth

[Embedded content]

And that WAS meant to be a factual statement.

486
BeachDem  Nov 15, 2016 • 2:37:55pm

re: #382 HappyWarrior

Sanders wants to continue to act like if we just listen to him on the WWC, all will be gravy. I’ve had it with him and his fucking ego.

I thought it was terrible when we had to listen to the losing presidential candidate (McCain) 24/7 (and it was)—now we’ve sunk to the losing primary candidate as our go-to guy.

Still haven’t watched anything on TV but cooking shows and John Oliver.

487
Decatur Deb  Nov 15, 2016 • 2:38:37pm

re: #475 Teukka

A move against Finland, what’s the probability on that? It would be a place unexpected, that’s for sure.

Walk in the park, like the last time. They’d all be home safe by Orthodox Christmas.

488
electrotek  Nov 15, 2016 • 2:39:08pm

re: #483 HappyWarrior

ROFLMAO. At least Peter Griffin got him eventually though. Ooohj piece of candy.

Makes me so mad.

489
Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Nov 15, 2016 • 2:39:30pm

re: #176 Charles Johnson

Not MSNBC?

490
Nyet  Nov 15, 2016 • 2:40:01pm

re: #475 Teukka

A move against Finland, what’s the probability on that? It would be a place unexpected, that’s for sure.

The operative theory behind the Ukr. invasion - it’s a part of the “Russian world” (in an ethnic sense)/triune Russia (Great Russia, White Russia (Belarus) and Small Russia (Ukraine)). Finland is ethnically alien so an occupation would be unsustainable in the modern world.

491
HappyWarrior  Nov 15, 2016 • 2:40:25pm

re: #486 BeachDem

I thought it was terrible when we had to listen to the losing presidential candidate (McCain) 24/7 (and it was)—now we’ve sunk to the losing primary candidate as our go-to guy.

Still haven’t watched anything on TV but cooking shows and John Oliver.

Yeah I really don’t want to hear from Bernie the next four years. I really don’t. If he wants to do stuff in the Senate, great, but if he’s just going to turn the next four years of why the Democrats totally ignored the working class and should listen to me, I’ve got no desire for it. He hasn’t said a damn thing about Bannon yet. Granted many other Senate Democrats haven’t either but this is a man some people on the left say should be seen as a party leader. Reid as you saw is. I really think p[olitical success was the worst thing that could ever happen to Bernie if you get what I mean.

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BeachDem  Nov 15, 2016 • 2:40:42pm

re: #385 Backwoods_Sleuth

[Embedded content]

So the three amigos ( or two amigos and “where’s the girl”—I’m sure McCain will join in the fun) will be back together for one final swan song before Ayotte rides off into the sunset. How touching.

But wait—wasn’t somebody saying something about Ayotte being offered a cabinet position, or was I dreaming nightmaring?

493
makeitstop  Nov 15, 2016 • 2:40:44pm

re: #413 Nyet

Buried in the text is the scary bit: Flynn in charge of selecting natsec people.

They may as well outsource the selection to Putin at this point.

half/

494
The Vicious Babushka  Nov 15, 2016 • 2:41:50pm

Automatic Blocking Function Triggered==>

495
HappyWarrior  Nov 15, 2016 • 2:41:58pm

re: #492 BeachDem

So the three amigos ( or two amigos and “where’s the girl”—I’m sure McCain will join in the fun) will be back together for one final swan song before Ayotte rides off into the sunset. How touching.

But wait—wasn’t somebody saying something about Ayotte being offered a cabinet position, or was I dreaming nightmaring?

No, you’re right. Ayotte’s name has been mentioned for Sec-Def or UN Ambassador by other sources. I don’t think anything’s ever come from the Trump camp itself.

496
wrenchwench  Nov 15, 2016 • 2:42:12pm

re: #491 HappyWarrior

Yeah I really don’t want to hear from Bernie the next four years. lifetimes if you get what I mean.

497
Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 15, 2016 • 2:42:32pm
498
HappyWarrior  Nov 15, 2016 • 2:43:29pm

re: #496 wrenchwench

Ha, harsh. Honestly, it really is too bad. I actually really wanted to give him a chance but the more I see with Bernie the more I disliked especially as he grew into a more popular and cult like figure. (not saying his supporters are all cultist but using the word in the cult movie sense).

499
Myron Falwell (no relation)  Nov 15, 2016 • 2:44:26pm

re: #481 electrotek

Apu should NEVER tried to sacrifice his life for James Woods.

That wasn’t Apu’s only misstep in that episode:

The Simpsons: Who Needs the Kwik-E-Mart? (Apu Nahasapeemapetilon)


“Hey he’s not happy at all! He lied to us through song! I hate when people do that!”

500
BlueSpotinAL  Nov 15, 2016 • 2:44:27pm

re: #448 GlutenFreeJesus

Russia won Muldova with the election the other day too. This will mostly be their strategy. Puppet leaders in ex-Soviet states. And the US.

501
EPR-radar  Nov 15, 2016 • 2:44:34pm

Here’s an impossible job — a CIA spymaster trying to keep their human intelligence sources in Russia from having their covers blown by the incoming administration.

502
jaunte  Nov 15, 2016 • 2:45:00pm
503
Edge of a dream AKA Cankles Mccellulite  Nov 15, 2016 • 2:45:09pm

I’m trying to learn to be more submissive. I know my men like this.

504
jaunte  Nov 15, 2016 • 2:45:19pm
505
electrotek  Nov 15, 2016 • 2:45:23pm

re: #499 Myron Falwell (no relation)

That wasn’t Apu’s only misstep in that episode:

[Embedded content]

“Hey he’s not happy at all! He lied to us through song! I hate when people do that!”

Imagine if Apu had listened to Homer about the history of the United States of America in “Much Apu About Nothing”.

506
Belafon  Nov 15, 2016 • 2:45:45pm

re: #501 EPR-radar

Here’s an impossible job — a CIA spymaster trying to keep their human intelligence sources in Russia from having their covers blown by the incoming administration.

The moment one of them gets outed, every Democrat needs to raise hell.

507
klys (maker of Silmarils)  Nov 15, 2016 • 2:46:24pm

re: #501 EPR-radar

Here’s an impossible job — a CIA spymaster trying to keep their human intelligence sources in Russia from having their covers blown by the incoming administration.

At this point I have to hope that there were plans in place for extraction and that they’ve been put into play. In an agency that paranoid, surely there’s a plan for when the top becomes compromised.

508
wrenchwench  Nov 15, 2016 • 2:49:35pm

re: #498 HappyWarrior

Ha, harsh. Honestly, it really is too bad. I actually really wanted to give him a chance but the more I see with Bernie the more I disliked especially as he grew into a more popular and cult like figure. (not saying his supporters are all cultist but using the word in the cult movie sense).

I was involved in a third party attempt that committed suicide rather than cause any trouble for the unsuccessful campaign of Jesse Jackson for the Democratic Party’s nominee for President. I’ve recently become proud of that suicide, although I was not in favor of it at the time. (Citizens Party)

509
Sir John Barron  Nov 15, 2016 • 2:51:40pm

re: #504 jaunte

[Embedded content]

Everything is fine
/

510
electrotek  Nov 15, 2016 • 2:52:17pm

So Trump’s win has rekindled very bad memories for my Armenian friend and her family. They had flashbacks to the suffering they endured when the Iranian hostage crisis was undergoing (her family are Iranian Armenians, she was born in Tehran in ‘74) and her parents were even on ABC’s Nightline in ‘79. She told me her mother has the tape recorded on VHS but she really wants to get a copy directly from ABC News.

Is there any way she can get a copy from them? She was telling that they don’t go that far back, but surely there has to be a way?!

511
HappyWarrior  Nov 15, 2016 • 2:52:47pm

re: #508 wrenchwench

I was involved in a third party attempt that committed suicide rather than cause any trouble for the unsuccessful campaign of Jesse Jackson for the Democratic Party’s nominee for President. I’ve recently become proud of that suicide, although I was not in favor of it at the time. (Citizens Party)

We all grow up.

512
klys (maker of Silmarils)  Nov 15, 2016 • 2:53:11pm

re: #511 HappyWarrior

We all grow up.

Citation needed.

(Bernie is how old?)

513
HappyWarrior  Nov 15, 2016 • 2:53:44pm

re: #502 jaunte

[Embedded content]

This really is bad and it’s really bad that Jared is getting a big say on National Security matters. Flynn is bad enough but Jared probably knows about as much as National Security as we do.

514
Stanley Sea  Nov 15, 2016 • 2:53:54pm

3/Xs1jGzs5LUbOnXwH8+M9Y0pg6Re3tRf/JFaMZ5gvN+YwXAiap0aPbDJkwFD6F8mEiEGvtVwMPzGvtXUJL1fubKdUDGLhbyWxsagUh4AIV81MrByQixsaUUDRPMsCh/Ee97M8J5l+Q=

515
BeachDem  Nov 15, 2016 • 2:54:26pm

re: #437 Backwoods_Sleuth

[Embedded content]

Well that didn’t post anything like what I was trying to say…I seem to be having an electronics breakdown day

516
HappyWarrior  Nov 15, 2016 • 2:54:28pm

re: #512 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Citation needed.

(Bernie is how old?)

Okay, most of us do. But you’re reminding me why I go easier on the college kids who supported Bernie than the older people who should remember 2000 and its lessons.

517
Edge of a dream AKA Cankles Mccellulite  Nov 15, 2016 • 2:55:53pm

That I have no upding’s, does not surprise me.

518
Teukka  Nov 15, 2016 • 2:56:37pm

re: #487 Decatur Deb

Walk in the park, like the last time. They’d all be home safe by Orthodox Christmas.

Look at the kill ratios for the Winter and Continuation Wars…

519
Decatur Deb  Nov 15, 2016 • 2:58:21pm

Interesting: This is a 2-page Politico article on the stress in the Trump transition teams. There is no mention of Giuliani.

politico.com

520
HappyWarrior  Nov 15, 2016 • 2:58:54pm

Just looked. Kushner wasn’t even in ROTC. What on earth qualifies him to have anything to do with national security? I mean I know the answer but man that’s bad. As I said, Rogers would be someone I would have disagreements with but he’d be someone that would be competent and not stupid on policy.

521
HappyWarrior  Nov 15, 2016 • 2:59:43pm

My bet? Sessions gets Sec-Def and Flynn gets Nat-Sec Adviser and Def Sec down the road.

522
jaunte  Nov 15, 2016 • 3:01:08pm
523
HappyWarrior  Nov 15, 2016 • 3:01:09pm

The sources regarding Flynn and Kushner pushing Rogers out are primarily conservative ones right? My brother was very skeptical when I told him what they’re doing. He just couldn’t believe that Trump’s son in law has that much influence? And to be fair I don’t blame him but that shows you again how we can’t accept this as the new normal.

524
HappyWarrior  Nov 15, 2016 • 3:03:06pm

re: #522 jaunte

[Embedded content]

Rudy had the never to say that if the Trump kids lost their work at the Trump Org, they’d have to find jobs. Oh you’d mean they’d have to do what the rest of have been doing since I don’t know when. My father nor mother isn’t a lawyer. I enrolled in a paralegal course because I thought it was good for my skillset. I passed and finally did find a firm that was a good fit for me but it was through my own merits. Ivanka, Donald Jr, and Eric should have do what the rest of us do.

525
BeachDem  Nov 15, 2016 • 3:03:22pm

re: #493 makeitstop

Speaking of which, has anyone heard if Manafort is going to be offered a position? Because that would really be special.

526
jaunte  Nov 15, 2016 • 3:03:51pm
527
Edge of a dream AKA Cankles Mccellulite  Nov 15, 2016 • 3:04:43pm

re: #525 BeachDem

Speaking of which, has anyone heard if Manafort is going to be offered a position? Because that would really be special.

Just kill me already.

528
Edge of a dream AKA Cankles Mccellulite  Nov 15, 2016 • 3:06:53pm

Liberal media saying Juliana is a great guy.

529
HappyWarrior  Nov 15, 2016 • 3:08:07pm

re: #526 jaunte

[Embedded content]

One of my favorite parts of Band of Brothers is when the guys are looting the Eagles Nest for souvenirs and the one guy gets Hitler’s personal photo album. And of course, Nix was thrilled to locate Goering’s liquor cellar next door.

530
HappyWarrior  Nov 15, 2016 • 3:08:46pm

re: #528 Edge of a dream AKA Cankles Mccellulite

Liberal media saying Juliana is a great guy.

I heard that Rand Paul to his credit talked about putting a block on him. If Rand does that, I might get a tiny amount of respect for him.

531
BeachDem  Nov 15, 2016 • 3:09:06pm

re: #514 Stanley Sea

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532
dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Nov 15, 2016 • 3:10:11pm

the biggest myth of the 2016 election: “Democrats Lost”

hillary won the popular vote. democrats gained in the house and senate - tell me the last time the party that won the presidency lost ground in both the house and the senate. democrats got more votes total for both house seats and senate seats, but the last round of gerrymandering has yet to be reversed, so yet again republicans held the house when they got less than democrats in total votes

also, by all indications we are about to see a certain overly confident person fuck up Big League

be patient: the current situation will not last

533
Edge of a dream AKA Cankles Mccellulite  Nov 15, 2016 • 3:12:25pm

re: #530 HappyWarrior

I heard that Rand Paul to his credit talked about putting a block on him. If Rand does that, I might get a tiny amount of respect for him.

I have gained respect for some conservatives, this election.

534
jaunte  Nov 15, 2016 • 3:12:56pm
535
wrenchwench  Nov 15, 2016 • 3:13:11pm

re: #532 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

the biggest myth of the 2016 election: “Democrats Lost”

hillary won the popular vote. democrats gained in the house and senate - tell me the last time the party that won the presidency lost ground in both the house and the senate. democrats got more votes total for both house seats and senate seats, but the last round of gerrymandering has yet to be reversed, so yet again republicans held the house when they got less than democrats in total votes

I like that part.

also, by all indications we are about to see a certain overly confident person fuck up Big League

be patient: the current situation will not last

That part, not so much.

536
HappyWarrior  Nov 15, 2016 • 3:14:39pm

re: #533 Edge of a dream AKA Cankles Mccellulite

I have gained respect for some conservatives, this election.

Lost more than gained honestly but I’d love to see Giuliani get denied. He’s not qualified for the job and he’s a dick.

537
dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Nov 15, 2016 • 3:15:34pm

re: #535 wrenchwench

I like that part.

That part, not so much.

why not?

538
Edge of a dream AKA Cankles Mccellulite  Nov 15, 2016 • 3:17:07pm

The “liberal” media thinks Bannon should be explained” Hahahah! What about the emails????!!!!!

539
wrenchwench  Nov 15, 2016 • 3:18:58pm

re: #537 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

why not?

He can fuck up things he has no idea of the existence of, not to mention the ones he WANTs to fuck up.

540
makeitstop  Nov 15, 2016 • 3:19:47pm

re: #517 Edge of a dream AKA Cankles Mccellulite

That I have no upding’s, does not surprise me.

You’re cracking me up over here, though. :)

541
Mike Lamb  Nov 15, 2016 • 3:21:23pm

re: #441 sagehen

Because Peter Thiel cares about Obergefell. There’s nobody in Trump’s orbit who cares about preserving Roe.

But where are you going to find a judge that would be willing to take on Roe, but not Obergfell? I don’t think that’s possible.

542
HappyWarrior  Nov 15, 2016 • 3:24:29pm

re: #541 Mike Lamb

But where are you going to find a judge that would be willing to take on Roe, but not Obergfell? I don’t think that’s possible.

Idiot Thiel never thought of that. Yet he thinks he can be on the court.

543
Decatur Deb  Nov 15, 2016 • 3:25:39pm

re: #518 Teukka

That was history snark.

544
Patricia Kayden  Nov 15, 2016 • 3:37:27pm

re: #247 makeitstop

Wow. And after they were so accommodating to the Trump campaign.

Nobody’s safe.

LOL!! Yeah. Even coddling Trump supporters and letting Trump call in at will to push his agenda, you still could get your behind sued by his campaign manager. That’s the thanks you get for getting Trump elected. Sad world we live in.

545
unproven innocence  Nov 15, 2016 • 3:42:47pm

re: #504 jaunte

This is what Orwell meant about destroying language. “Blind trust” now holds no meaning whatsoever.

546
Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 15, 2016 • 3:51:00pm

re: #532 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

the biggest myth of the 2016 election: “Democrats Lost”


be patient: the current situation will not last

I know, but I fear that news has to get worse before it starts to get better

547
Lancelot Link  Nov 15, 2016 • 4:22:06pm

re: #436 Decatur Deb

Please tell me Meatloaf hasn’t gone that weird.

Meat Loaf, Should i Run for President


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In Lynwood, Advanced Placement Classes Are No Longer Only for the Elite The school district’s hope is that the challenging AP courses inspire students to go straight from high school to college and help them do better when they get there. Research suggests that students who take more difficult high school ...
Birth Control Works
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the Capital Region Yearns for More Ethnic Delis!blog.timesunion.com For pictures and videos, please click on the link above. Thanks.We’ve been living in the Capital Region of New York State for almost 24 years., and I really don’t have a lot of complaints. Oh sure, the Route 7 ...
rhoffman
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