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Edge of a dream AKA Cankles Mccellulite  Nov 16, 2016 • 12:46:55pm

The answer is Non!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 16, 2016 • 12:47:38pm

NOPE

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unproven innocence  Nov 16, 2016 • 12:48:57pm

Ohm, ohm, ohm… but sometimes resistance is futile.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 16, 2016 • 12:50:01pm

Can we nominate Keith for a Pulitzer?

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Dr. Matt  Nov 16, 2016 • 12:51:41pm

We should give Drump the same chance and support as the GOP gave Obama over the last 8 years.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 16, 2016 • 12:52:39pm

Looking through history the question always arises “why didn’t anyone do anything to stop it?”

I’m hoping that this time around, we aren’t going to be quiet, no matter how often Trump supporters insult us and tell us to shut up.

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William Lewis  Nov 16, 2016 • 12:53:29pm

Of course not.

I have begun working on a pamphlet to encourage people to resist. I will share the draft here as soon as it’s done in the next day or so.

One page of the 6 is a list of online resources. I need to know what the best advocacy groups for our Muslim and Mexican neighbors are - is there anything on the level of the ADL or the NAACP?

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unproven innocence  Nov 16, 2016 • 12:54:26pm

re: #5 Dr. Matt

We should give Drump the same chance and support as the GOP gave Obama over the last 8 years.

Disagree. We should just shame him to hell and back with stuff that he has said, on the record.

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wrenchwench  Nov 16, 2016 • 12:57:00pm

re: #7 William Lewis

Of course not.

I have begun working on a pamphlet to encourage people to resist. I will share the draft here as soon as it’s done in the next day or so.

One page of the 6 is a list of online resources. I need to know what the best advocacy groups for our Muslim and Mexican neighbors are - is there anything on the level of the ADL or the NAACP?

MALDEF.

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William Lewis  Nov 16, 2016 • 12:57:34pm

re: #5 Dr. Matt

We should give Drump the same chance and support as the GOP gave Obama over the last 8 years.

He doesn’t deserve even that much.

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Frankie Five Angels  Nov 16, 2016 • 12:58:12pm

No.

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jaunte  Nov 16, 2016 • 12:58:52pm

Allred tweeted Tuesday, “NYPD just came to my house bc Rutgers Police told them I’m a threat based on political statements I’ve made on campus and on Twitter.”

Apparently a Trump fan on the Rutgers police force decided he would indulge in a little swatting against someone he disagreed with.

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William Lewis  Nov 16, 2016 • 12:59:50pm

re: #9 wrenchwench

MALDEF.

THANKS!

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Dr. Matt  Nov 16, 2016 • 1:00:57pm

re: #5 Dr. Matt

We should give Drump the same chance and support as the GOP gave Obama over the last 8 years.

I guess I should have include sarc tags considering the GOP spent 8 years undermining the POTUS…… :/

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Nyet  Nov 16, 2016 • 1:02:20pm

If he appoints a Democratic judge to the SCOTUS, if he doesn’t repeal Obamacare, if he doesn’t appease Putin, if if if…

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William Lewis  Nov 16, 2016 • 1:03:50pm

re: #14 Dr. Matt

I guess I should have include sarc tags considering the GOP spent 8 years undermining the POTUS…… :/

I knew what you meant - and I still think that’s too generous to the Trumpenfuhrer.

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Dr. Matt  Nov 16, 2016 • 1:04:13pm

Man cites Trump in threat to grab student ‘by the p*ssy’ at Georgia Waffle House: police report

A University of Georgia student told police that a man threatened to sexually assault her, justifying himself with the words of President-elect Donald Trump: “Grab them by the p*ssy.”

The Athens Banner-Herald reported on Wednesday that the UGA student said she was at a Waffle House when she heard white men in a booth behind her “making racial comments about Mexicans.”

According to the account in the police report, one of the men said that “he was going to grab (the student) by the p*ssy.”

These events are not outliers. These occurrences are now and will be commonplace in this country over the next 4 years.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 16, 2016 • 1:06:11pm

I see no reason to give him any chances.
Even though he’s a proven liar, he TOLD US what he would do if elected.

He TOLD US that stupid snake story over and over and over. The snake wasn’t the dreaded terrorist immigrants.

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Targetpractice  Nov 16, 2016 • 1:07:45pm

Within weeks of Obama winning the election, the GOP had already declared that their goal was to ensure he was a one-term president. And it wasn’t some no-name backbencher who made this announcement, it was the Minority Leader of the damned Senate. The same man who later said that the major legislative accomplishment of Obama’s presidency would be his “Waterloo.” When he actually sought their proposals for what became the Stimulus Bill and then rejected their calls for even more tax cuts, they made a huge public furor over his “arrogance” in saying “I won.”

So when I hear those same people now tell me I need to hold my criticisms of the man and “Give him a chance,” what I really hear is “You need to just forget the past 8 years and act as we’re anything but petulant assholes.” And no, I’m not prepared to do that. Especially not when those people saying it are now starting to get a bit worried by what they’re seeing him do even before he takes office.

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Pawn of the Oppressor  Nov 16, 2016 • 1:08:34pm

Hooray for America, we’re now all the way into an abusive relationship with Trump’s media presence. He gets to grope our well-being for the next four years.

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Archangelus  Nov 16, 2016 • 1:08:35pm

re: #17 Dr. Matt

Man cites Trump in threat to grab student ‘by the p*ssy’ at Georgia Waffle House: police report

These events are not outliers. These occurrences are now and will be commonplace in this country over the next 4 years.

IMHO they’ll subside sooner when met with eventual counter violence - sooner or later, the cowardly scumbags (who so far have targeted seemingly “weaker” targets, mostly women and kids) will meet the short end of a victim’s loaded gun.

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jaunte  Nov 16, 2016 • 1:08:36pm
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electrotek  Nov 16, 2016 • 1:08:56pm

re: #17 Dr. Matt

Man cites Trump in threat to grab student ‘by the p*ssy’ at Georgia Waffle House: police report

These events are not outliers. These occurrences are now and will be commonplace in this country over the next 4 years.

Disgusting!

Hope the women who voted for him are happy with what has been unleashed.

WHY DIDN’T ANYONE ELSE INTERVENE AND STAND UP FOR HER?

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MsJ  Nov 16, 2016 • 1:09:13pm

re: #19 Targetpractice

Within weeks of Obama winning the election, the GOP had already declared that their goal was to ensure he was a one-term president. And it wasn’t some no-name backbencher who made this announcement, it was the Minority Leader of the damned Senate. The same man who later said that the major legislative accomplishment of Obama’s presidency would be his “Waterloo.” When he actually sought their proposals for what became the Stimulus Bill and then rejected their calls for even more tax cuts, they made a huge public furor over his “arrogance” in saying “I won.”

So when I hear those same people now tell me I need to hold my criticisms of the man and “Give him a chance,” what I really hear is “You need to just forget the past 8 years and act as we’re anything but petulant assholes.” And no, I’m not prepared to do that. Especially not when those people saying it are now starting to get a bit worried by what they’re seeing him do even before he takes office.

Weeks? I think it was days.

And to those GOPers, I say; Fuck. You.

Trump will never be my president. Never.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 16, 2016 • 1:10:54pm

re: #12 jaunte

Four years of this America.

FOUR YEARS.

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Dr. Matt  Nov 16, 2016 • 1:11:54pm

re: #21 Archangelus

IMHO they’ll subside sooner when met with eventual counter violence - sooner or later, the cowardly scumbags (who so far have targeted seemingly “weaker” targets, mostly women and kids) will meet the short end of a victim’s loaded gun.

It pains me to say this, but women and minorities should strongly consider getting firearm training and a concealed weapons license.

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sagehen  Nov 16, 2016 • 1:11:58pm

I live on the UWS of Manhattan; years ago I had a beautiful panoramic view of the Hudson River, until 3 Trump buildings went up that blocked me. The development is called Trump Place, and they had the name in big gold letters across the top and painted in smaller letters near the entrances.

In response to an almost-unanimous tenant petition, the name’s been changed. The big letters up top removed, the paint scraped off the doors. The buildings are now known as 160 Riverside Blvd, 180 Riverside Blvd…..

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Archangelus  Nov 16, 2016 • 1:13:07pm

re: #25 Eclectic Cyborg

Four X days/years of this America.

Fixed for when X reflects a number pertaining to the time prior to tRump’s impeachment/resignation/heart attack…

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GlutenFreeJesus  Nov 16, 2016 • 1:13:42pm

re: #27 sagehen

Imagine if no Trump properties had any tenants.

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MsJ  Nov 16, 2016 • 1:14:36pm

re: #28 Archangelus

Fixed for when X reflects a number pertaining to the time prior to tRump’s impeachment/resignation/heart attack…

The light at the end of the tunnel is a super train heading directly for us.

President Pence is equally as bad for America as President Trump. The only upside is there is less a likelihood of nuclear annihilation.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 16, 2016 • 1:14:57pm

World leaders are known to phone polite congratulations.
Standing on its own as it is, the list is meaningless.

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sagehen  Nov 16, 2016 • 1:15:07pm

re: #29 GlutenFreeJesus

Imagine if no Trump properties had any tenants.

It was a licensing deal, he didn’t actually own the buildings (he lost the property in one of his bankruptcies).

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danarchy  Nov 16, 2016 • 1:15:15pm

re: #12 jaunte

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Apparently a Trump fan on the Rutgers police force decided he would indulge in a little swatting against someone he disagreed with.

So apparently his actual tweet was:

“Will the 2nd amendment be as cool when I buy a gun and start shooting at random white people or no…?” he asked, according to a screenshot obtained by the New Brunswick Patch.

Most schools these days have a zero tolerance policy on that kind of stuff.

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jaunte  Nov 16, 2016 • 1:15:50pm
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electrotek  Nov 16, 2016 • 1:16:11pm

re: #33 danarchy

So apparently his actual tweet was:

“Will the 2nd amendment be as cool when I buy a gun and start shooting at random white people or no…?” he asked, according to a screenshot obtained by the New Brunswick Patch.

Most schools these days have a zero tolerance policy on that kind of stuff.

In that case, then I can see why that would cause concern.

Common sense lacking there.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 16, 2016 • 1:17:05pm

This is what I am going to do with Trump:

I will accept him as the fairly and legally elected President of the United States once the Electoral College casts its votes and he is sworn in.

I will watch and listen carefully to who he appoints to work with him in the WH, what he outlines in the way of proposals, legislative action, policies and plans.

I will try to stick to reliable sources of information and keep news, commentary and analysis separate when forming my opinions.

And that is as much as any citizen owes the fellow.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 16, 2016 • 1:17:42pm

re: #31 Backwoods_Sleuth

Funny, I expected Putin to be at the top.

/

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GlutenFreeJesus  Nov 16, 2016 • 1:17:50pm

re: #32 sagehen

Oh I know. But damn. Why would anyone want to live in a place with his name on it to begin with?

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Targetpractice  Nov 16, 2016 • 1:18:15pm

re: #34 jaunte

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It’s amazing how, as soon as a Republican gets elected, suddenly the powers of the presidency begin to grow to the point that even the law no longer matters.

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jaunte  Nov 16, 2016 • 1:19:10pm

re: #33 danarchy

It would seem the appropriate response would be to have a school administrator talk to him, before the police come take him away to a psych evaluation.

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mr.fusion  Nov 16, 2016 • 1:20:25pm

Let’s give him a chance

He just appointed a white nationalist as a chief adviser

Let’s give him a chance starting now

He wants a Muslim registry

Ok, starting….now

He’s about to appoint John Bolton, who is dying to go to war with Iran, as his Sec of State

ok……start giving him a chance……now

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sagehen  Nov 16, 2016 • 1:22:16pm

re: #38 GlutenFreeJesus

Oh I know. But damn. Why would anyone want to live in a place with his name on it to begin with?

It’s a great location; I do love my neighborhood. And the buildings do look like they might have nice apartments (I’ve only ever seen the lobby, but it’s definitely more tasteful than if he had designed it).

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 16, 2016 • 1:22:24pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 16, 2016 • 1:23:01pm

He used up his chance when he not only didn’t kick Bannon to the curb, but actually put him in a position of power and influence. It clearly indicated that when he said he wanted to unite America, he didn’t mean it.

Not that I ever thought he did.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 16, 2016 • 1:23:07pm

re: #41 mr.fusion

There was an excellent tweet to this effect around the end of the campaign. I wish I could find it.

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danarchy  Nov 16, 2016 • 1:23:37pm

re: #40 jaunte

It would seem the appropriate response would be to have a school administrator talk to him, before the police come take him away to a psych evaluation.

Tell that to elementary school kids all over the country who get visits from the police and even arrested for bringing toy guns to school.

I think it is ridiculous myself, but this guy is an actual teacher, he should know better.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Nov 16, 2016 • 1:25:18pm

re: #36 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

This is what I am going to do with Trump:

I will accept him as the fairly and legally elected President of the United States once the Electoral College casts its votes and he is sworn in.

I will watch and listen carefully to who he appoints to work with him in the WH, what he outlines in the way of proposals, legislative action, policies and plans.

I will try to stick to reliable sources of information and keep news, commentary and analysis separate when forming my opinions.

And that is as much as any citizen owes the fellow.

Sorry, the hell with that. Nixon was never my President. Reagan was never my President. Neither Bush was ever my President. There was nothing I could do about any of them, but I’m looking for any measures I can take against the orange shit-gibbon.

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Dr. Matt  Nov 16, 2016 • 1:25:26pm

re: #34 jaunte

Prospective AttGen says they can start building wall w/o congress by shifting $ approved 4 other stuff. That’s illegal. And he doesn’t know?
— Kurt Eichenwald (@kurteichenwald) November 16, 2016

Its BASIC law that prez cannot redirect appropriated $ for other purposes. And the proposed Attorney General doesn’t know it. Lord help us.
— Kurt Eichenwald (@kurteichenwald) November 16, 2016

You know where this shit stupid “idea” came from? —> en.wikipedia.org

Dave (Movie) - Balancing the Budget (1993) HD

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gocart mozart  Nov 16, 2016 • 1:26:51pm

I am hate following this king of the ratfuckers. Here is a current ratfucker by the fucking ratfucker. p.s. fuck him. If the name doesn’t show up, It’s Roger Stone.

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makeitstop  Nov 16, 2016 • 1:26:51pm

re: #31 Backwoods_Sleuth

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World leaders are known to phone polite congratulations.
Standing on its own as it is, the list is meaningless.

And Josh Marshall reported that Trump had no diplomatic documents at hand while talking to all these leaders.

He may as well have been talking to a bunch of pizza parlors.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 16, 2016 • 1:29:26pm

re: #34 jaunte

Prospective AttGen says they can start building wall w/o congress by shifting $ approved 4 other stuff. That’s illegal. And he doesn’t know?]

He might well have based it on Frank Underwood in House of Cards, who redirected FEMA funds to an employment program, declaring unemployment a “national emergency”.

I am sure he had visions of Trump declaring illegal immigration a national emergency and doing the same…

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jaunte  Nov 16, 2016 • 1:30:25pm

EVERYTHING IS GOING SO SMOOTHLY

“…The State Department confirms that, like the Pentagon and the Justice Department, it has not heard from anyone on President-elect Trump’s team, a week after the election.

“We have not been contacted,” said John Kirby, the State Department press secretary.

nytimes.com

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 16, 2016 • 1:30:34pm

Question from a non Citizen (i.e me):

Should there be an expectation upon an individual American of loyalty and support for the President?

Put another way: Can you be pro-America and anti-U.S. President?

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electrotek  Nov 16, 2016 • 1:30:49pm

On a lighter (or hammered) note:

If, for whatever reason, you just sucked down a quart of DOT 3 brake fluid, windshield washer fluid or antifreeze, get your butt to the hospital right away. But if you can’t get to the hospital quickly, it may be time to break out the booze.

We’ve probably all heard about the dangers of antifreeze, the sweet-tasting, pretty green fluid we pour into our radiators and overflow reservoirs. While touching coolant or getting it in your eyes isn’t great, the primary danger of antifreeze is ingestion, as it can cause kidney failure, and lead to coma or even death.

Because I wrench all the time, and would prefer to live a long, healthy life, I decided to read through a bunch of material safety data sheets to learn about the automotive fluids I work with on a regular basis. These material safety data sheets, which you can find online, describe toxicity and treatments associated with various fluid exposures.

Normally I’m not a drinker. But since I do work on cars a lot, I will need to keep some hard liquor in case I end up accidentally consuming automotive fluid (I’ve had some close calls with fluids so the safer, the better) and consume it in case I can’t receive immediate medical attention.

I’m already cautious enough when it comes to jacking my vehicles up. Hydraulic jack, two jack stands, and two wheels underneath the frame rails in case the jack stands fail. I shake the car to make sure it’s stable before I go underneath the car and work on it. I’ve heard way too many horror stories of people getting critically injured or losing their lives when their jack or jackstand fails while working on the car. I don’t want that to happen to me.

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Frankie Five Angels  Nov 16, 2016 • 1:30:53pm

re: #53 Eclectic Cyborg

Yes.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 16, 2016 • 1:30:59pm

re: #47 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Sorry, the hell with that. Nixon was never my President. Reagan was never my President. Neither Bush was ever my President. There was nothing I could do about any of them, but I’m looking for any measures I can take against the orange shit-gibbon.

He is not my President in the sense that I did not vote for him and never supported any of his positions, but the point is that I will not deny that he is the legally elected President, a favor that a lot of people could not bring themselves to grant to Obama…

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jaunte  Nov 16, 2016 • 1:31:44pm

“Jason Miller, a spokesman for Mr. Trump, told reporters Wednesday afternoon that the effort to fill staff positions in the new administration was “very calm, it’s very structured.” He said that reports of chaos were being spread by disgruntled former members of the transition or people bitter about the election results.”

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makeitstop  Nov 16, 2016 • 1:31:49pm

re: #53 Eclectic Cyborg

Question from a non Citizen (i.e me):

Should there be an expectation upon an individual American of loyalty and support for the President?

Put another way: Can you be pro-America and anti-U.S. President?

Yes, you can. I have been a few times in my life.

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makeitstop  Nov 16, 2016 • 1:33:28pm

re: #57 jaunte

“Jason Miller, a spokesman for Mr. Trump, told reporters Wednesday afternoon that the effort to fill staff positions in the new administration was “very calm, it’s very structured.” He said that reports of chaos were being spread by disgruntled former members of the transition or people bitter about the election results.”

Their go-to excuse until Trump is sworn in. Then everything will be blamed on Obama.

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jaunte  Nov 16, 2016 • 1:34:41pm

re: #59 makeitstop

“Bullshit has worked for us so far, let’s keep it up!”

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 16, 2016 • 1:34:50pm

re: #53 Eclectic Cyborg

Question from a non Citizen (i.e me):

Should there be an expectation upon an individual American of loyalty and support for the President?

Put another way: Can you be pro-America and anti-U.S. President?

Why is this a question after eight years of people vociferously and massively hating on Obama out of their professed Love of Country?

Oh, I know why…

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retired cynic  Nov 16, 2016 • 1:35:21pm

re: #53 Eclectic Cyborg

Question from a non Citizen (i.e me):

Should there be an expectation upon an individual American of loyalty and support for the President?

Put another way: Can you be pro-America and anti-U.S. President?

In my (non) expert opinion, absolutely!

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retired cynic  Nov 16, 2016 • 1:39:04pm

re: #54 electrotek

On a lighter (or hammered) note:

Normally I’m not a drinker. But since I do work on cars a lot, I will need to keep some hard liquor in case I end up accidentally consuming automotive fluid (I’ve had some close calls with fluids so the safer, the better) and consume it in case I can’t receive immediate medical attention. …

I believe I have told the story on here of having a goat that drank some anti-freeze, and our enjoyable efforts on holding him by horns and all four legs and putting a number of ounces of good whiskey down him by a stomach tube, along with a goodly amount of very fine powdered charcoal. We all lived, including the goat, but it should have been on America’s Funniest Home Videos.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Nov 16, 2016 • 1:39:15pm

re: #56 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

He is not my President in the sense that I did not vote for him and never supported any of his positions, but the point is that I will not deny that he is the legally elected President, a favor that a lot of people could not bring themselves to grant to Obama…

I don’t recognize this “Electoral College” jiggery-pokery, so no, I do deny that he was legitimately elected.

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jaunte  Nov 16, 2016 • 1:39:19pm
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Targetpractice  Nov 16, 2016 • 1:41:22pm

re: #65 jaunte

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Translation: The Congressional GOP doesn’t want to govern, they want to whine, because the only way they keep getting elected is bitching about how government doesn’t work.

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Jebediah, RBG  Nov 16, 2016 • 1:41:37pm

re: #65 jaunte

If that is true, it is good news.

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Belafon  Nov 16, 2016 • 1:41:44pm

re: #65 jaunte

So, if they try to pass a medicare repeal, and the Democrats block it, will Republicans try to claim credit or not?

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danarchy  Nov 16, 2016 • 1:42:04pm

re: #64 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

I don’t recognize this “Electoral College” jiggery-pokery, so no, I do deny that he was legitimately elected.

Apparently RWNJs aren’t the only ones who live in their own reality.

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jaunte  Nov 16, 2016 • 1:42:05pm

re: #66 Targetpractice

It’s important to have a scapegoat.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Nov 16, 2016 • 1:42:46pm

re: #65 jaunte

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Damn! If he’s right, that would save my life! And I have to be grateful to Orrin Hatch? Oh, well, any port in a storm.

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electrotek  Nov 16, 2016 • 1:44:55pm

re: #63 retired cynic

I believe I have told the story on here of having a goat that drank some anti-freeze, and our enjoyable efforts on holding him by horns and all four legs and putting a number of ounces of good whiskey down him by a stomach tube, along with a goodly amount of very fine powdered charcoal. We all lived, including the goat, but it should have been on America’s Funniest Home Videos.

lol ah the pre-Internet age.

Puts a whole new meaning to scapegoat now.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Nov 16, 2016 • 1:45:46pm

re: #69 danarchy

Apparently RWNJs aren’t the only ones who live in their own reality.

I’m fully aware that my recognition or lack of it has no bearing on what happens, but no—no EV winner/PV loser is legitimate. (That would unfortunately have applied to John Kerry if election fraud in Ohio hadn’t denied him the EC win.)

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retired cynic  Nov 16, 2016 • 1:46:16pm

re: #72 electrotek

lol ah the pre-Internet age.

Puts a whole new meaning to scapegoat now.

Hah!

Actually, we called the National Poison Hotline, and told them it was a goat. They told us what to do. Took about five people.

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stpaulbear  Nov 16, 2016 • 1:46:57pm

re: #65 jaunte

We will allow you to please save us from ourselves.

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electrotek  Nov 16, 2016 • 1:47:03pm

re: #74 retired cynic

Hah!

Actually, we called the National Poison Hotline, and told them it was a goat. They told us what to do. Took about five people.

Glad you guys took care of the goat unlike others who would have fed the goat to a Burmese python on tape and upload it to LiveLeak during those days.

*shudder*

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electrotek  Nov 16, 2016 • 1:47:44pm

Good luck with your goals of 2016 to defend Cheeto jesus

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Targetpractice  Nov 16, 2016 • 1:47:57pm

re: #70 jaunte

It’s important to have a scapegoat.

Ayep. It’s like I said, the leadership is basically between the proverbial rock and a hard place. The vote margin they have now means they can’t get anything passed on a partisan vote without keeping the loonies, but keeping the loonies means passing shit that will be political poison. So the leadership is taking option three: Just allow Democrats to keep killing bills via filibuster as a cover for shitty bills going nowhere.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Nov 16, 2016 • 1:49:19pm

re: #65 jaunte

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God, look at that expression on Ryan’s face! Talk about eine Backpfeifengesicht!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 16, 2016 • 1:49:33pm

re: #78 Targetpractice

Ayep. It’s like I said, the leadership is basically between the proverbial rock and a hard place. The vote margin they have now means they can’t get anything passed on a partisan vote without keeping the loonies, but keeping the loonies means passing shit that will be political poison. So the leadership is taking option three: Just allow Democrats to keep killing bills via filibuster as a cover for shitty bills going nowhere.

Right now, that works for me.

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Myron Falwell (no relation)  Nov 16, 2016 • 1:49:44pm

Rage Furby targeting DeRay AGAIN, clearly forgetting (or maybe not) how it turned out for him the last time.

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Sir John Barron  Nov 16, 2016 • 1:50:37pm

re: #57 jaunte

He said that reports of chaos were being spread by disgruntled former members of the transition

This sort of begs the question, doesn’t it, as to why there are disgruntled former members of the transition?

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jaunte  Nov 16, 2016 • 1:51:43pm

re: #81 Myron Falwell (no relation)

Just drop $27 & it’ll sit until a whistle is blown.

If he could write a sentence the world might know what he’s trying to say.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Nov 16, 2016 • 1:52:07pm

re: #80 Backwoods_Sleuth

Right now, that works for me.

They get the bad press for trying to kill Social Security, Medicare, etc., but don’t actually accomplish their goals. Please proceed….

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Sir John Barron  Nov 16, 2016 • 1:53:01pm

re: #81 Myron Falwell (no relation)

HATE @DERAY? Just drop $27 & it’ll sit until a whistle is blown. FUND IT NOW

Been wondering what to do with this $27 burning a hole in my pocket, I’m gonna go right ahead and send it to you…oh, wait, no I’m not.

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electrotek  Nov 16, 2016 • 1:55:28pm

re: #85 Sir John Barron

Been wondering what to do with this $27 burning a hole in my pocket, I’m gonna go right ahead and send it to you…oh, wait, no I’m not.

Rather send it to the Clinton Foundation…and then send the receipt of the donation to Rage Furby as the ultimate Fuck You to him.

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stpaulbear  Nov 16, 2016 • 1:55:31pm

re: #84 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

They get the bad press for trying to kill Social Security, Medicare, etc., but don’t actually accomplish their goals. Please proceed….

Imagine how maturely Trump will handle successful filibusters…

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 16, 2016 • 1:56:12pm

re: #87 stpaulbear

Imagine how maturely Trump will handle successful filibusters…

He’d have to actually care about the legislation.

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leftynyc  Nov 16, 2016 • 1:56:18pm

re: #42 sagehen

It’s a great location; I do love my neighborhood. And the buildings do look like they might have nice apartments (I’ve only ever seen the lobby, but it’s definitely more tasteful than if he had designed it).

My cousin lives in 180 - they are beautiful apartments with outstanding views but both cousin and his wife signed the petition.

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FormerDirtDart  Nov 16, 2016 • 1:56:59pm

re: #65 jaunte

Of course, they’re hoping the Democrats will give them cover for any completely outrageous legislation they feel compelled to put forward.

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Nov 16, 2016 • 2:00:07pm

dear mr paul ryan

NOBODY VOTED TO KILL MEDICARE SO STOP SAYING THEY DID

thank you

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Donkey With No Name  Nov 16, 2016 • 2:02:26pm
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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Nov 16, 2016 • 2:03:28pm

I’m looking forward to Obama being blamed for everything bad that happens during Trump’s (one) term, like he was responsible for Katrina. (And Bill Clinton was still President on 9/11/01.)

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electrotek  Nov 16, 2016 • 2:04:32pm

Ugh, can 2016 get any worse? How much lower can it go? Had so many memories listening to this alternative rock station since we moved to Texas from California in February ‘95 and was the basis for so many wonderful memories in the past

RIP KDGE

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 16, 2016 • 2:05:15pm

re: #92 Donkey With No Name

So, this is a thing:

Budget Android phones are secretly sending users’ text messages to China

Imagine all the Terabytes of complete shit they’re receiving…

“Dood, where U at?”

“Get milk”

“OMG! freals?”

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wrenchwench  Nov 16, 2016 • 2:05:22pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 16, 2016 • 2:06:21pm

re: #96 wrenchwench

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But, you know, our Generals are so stupid, so stupid. Believe me, folks!

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Tigger2005  Nov 16, 2016 • 2:08:12pm

No, he had his chance in the campaign. He’s not the President and never will be. He must be removed as soon as possible. The Constitution is not a suicide pact.

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electrotek  Nov 16, 2016 • 2:12:37pm
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GlutenFreeJesus  Nov 16, 2016 • 2:12:39pm

re: #65 jaunte

Hatch will receive death threats in 3… 2… 1…

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GlutenFreeJesus  Nov 16, 2016 • 2:13:41pm

re: #99 The Vicious Babushka

Trump just thought he could go in and take control of everything.

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EPR-radar  Nov 16, 2016 • 2:13:50pm

re: #56 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

He is not my President in the sense that I did not vote for him and never supported any of his positions, but the point is that I will not deny that he is the legally elected President, a favor that a lot of people could not bring themselves to grant to Obama…

Trump’s margins of victory in the critical states were all very small, and these states are run by Republicans. The Republicans may have gotten up to more than the usual vote suppression.

I see no particular reason to assume the results are legitimate.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 16, 2016 • 2:14:56pm

re: #100 electrotek

lolwut

GOP to Obama: We’re gonna miss you. Seriously.

It’s basically good bye guy who helped get us into office.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 16, 2016 • 2:15:06pm

re: #102 GlutenFreeJesus

Trump just thought he could go in and take control of everything.

Apparently, no one has yet told him that he can’t.

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EPR-radar  Nov 16, 2016 • 2:15:44pm

re: #65 jaunte

That’s good news, if true. If the filibuster stays, the worst GOP excesses (e.g., ending Medicare) can be stopped if the Democrats are disciplined and stand strong.

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plansbandc  Nov 16, 2016 • 2:17:00pm

The new Republican symbol…

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leftynyc  Nov 16, 2016 • 2:17:08pm

re: #102 GlutenFreeJesus

Trump just thought he could go in and take control of everything.

Even worse than that - he thought all the staff would stay and work for him after working with Pres Obama. He had no idea he had to hire 4000 people by inauguration day.

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jaunte  Nov 16, 2016 • 2:17:30pm

re: #105 Backwoods_Sleuth

I suspect that there is no such thing as “can’t” in Trumpville.

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The Vicious Babushka  Nov 16, 2016 • 2:19:49pm

re: #108 leftynyc

Even worse than that - he thought all the staff would stay and work for him after working with Pres Obama. He had no idea he had to hire 4000 people by inauguration day.

BUT HE WILL BE THE GREATEST JOBS CREATOR THE WORLD HAS EVER SEEN!!!!1!!!!

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makeitstop  Nov 16, 2016 • 2:20:10pm

re: #99 The Vicious Babushka

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This lends credence to the idea that they’re doing this on purpose, IMO.

Pence is the one with experience here, and he’s throwing one spanner after another into the works.

What else can we conclude at this point? The guy with all the government experience is the one who’s slowing this transition to a dead stop.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 16, 2016 • 2:20:52pm

re: #101 GlutenFreeJesus

Hatch will receive death threats in 3… 2… 1…

Death threats. Everybody gets them these days, and for such stupid shit - the black vet who had his free meal from Chili’s taken away has received death threats. The woman who ran into HRC a few days after the election and got a selfie and a conversation has received death threats.

How to LEO’s even deal with it anymore? How seriously do you take it? Politicians are probably used to it by now, but private citizens?

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Jenner7  Nov 16, 2016 • 2:21:08pm

I’m shocked, just shocked that an inexperienced, soon to be President doesn’t know dick about the process of transition.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 16, 2016 • 2:22:05pm

re: #112 Blind Frog Belly White

Death threats. Everybody gets them these days, and for such stupid shit - the black vet who had his free meal from Chili’s taken away has received death threats. The woman who ran into HRC a few days after the election and got a selfie and a conversation has received death threats.

How to LEO’s even deal with it anymore? How seriously do you take it? Politicians are probably used to it by now, but private citizens?

The rise in death threats is part of why I’ve grown so cynical.

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electrotek  Nov 16, 2016 • 2:22:39pm

re: #113 Jenner7

I’m shocked, just shocked that an inexperienced, soon to be President doesn’t know dick about the process of transition.

And still, people are dumb enough to be defeated and drink the Trump Kool-Aid.

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EPR-radar  Nov 16, 2016 • 2:22:43pm

re: #111 makeitstop

This lends credence to the idea that they’re doing this on purpose, IMO.

Pence is the one with experience here, and he’s throwing one spanner after another into the works.

What else can we conclude at this point? The guy with all the government experience is the one who’s slowing this transition to a dead stop.

Pence sabotaging the transition so that Trump gets the boot before the inauguration is a scenario that makes sense. The Powers That Be in the Republican party seem likely to decide that Trump is bad for business.

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unproven innocence  Nov 16, 2016 • 2:23:20pm

re: #113 Jenner7

I’m shocked, just shocked that an inexperienced, soon to be President doesn’t know dick about the process of transition.

“All I know is what I read on the internet.” —our president-elect

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jaunte  Nov 16, 2016 • 2:24:18pm

re: #116 EPR-radar

Pence sabotaging the transition so that Trump gets the boot before the inauguration is a scenario that makes sense. The Powers That Be in the Republican party seem likely to decide that Trump is bad for business.

How could he get the boot at this point?

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EPR-radar  Nov 16, 2016 • 2:25:52pm

re: #118 jaunte

How could he get the boot at this point?

Not by any normal process. I’m thinking more along the lines of Trump meeting the real rulers of the nation and being given orders to find a way to resign.

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Cheechako  Nov 16, 2016 • 2:25:59pm

One thing I would Like President Obama to do is give a “Farewell Address” to the Nation. He need to make an official, public record of what has been accomplished during his Administration. He needs to make clear just what condition the country was in when he took office compared to what it is when he leaves. Cover everything including unemployment rates, inflation rates, ACA program and participation, etc.

He needs to point out what he wanted to accomplish, what he actually accomplished, and where he was held back by an obstructionist Congress.

Give the Nation a record of where we are now to compare with what the future may bring.

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Belafon  Nov 16, 2016 • 2:26:36pm

re: #100 electrotek

lolwut

GOP to Obama: We’re gonna miss you. Seriously.

There’s something sad and truthful in there: We may have elected the first black president, but large portions of the country couldn’t handle it.

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electrotek  Nov 16, 2016 • 2:26:42pm

re: #120 Cheechako

One thing I would Like President Obama to do is give a “Farewell Address” to the Nation. He need to make an official, public record of what has been accomplished during his Administration. He needs to make clear just what condition the country was in when he took office compared to what it is when he leaves. Cover everything including unemployment rates, inflation rates, ACA program and participation, etc.

He needs to point out what he wanted to accomplish, what he actually accomplished, and where he was held back by an obstructionist Congress.

Give the Nation a record of where we are now to compare with what the future may bring.

Agreed, the era of sugarcoating is over. Time to drop the gauntlet and say it like it is Obama.

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lockjawcanbefun  Nov 16, 2016 • 2:28:10pm
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Sir John Barron  Nov 16, 2016 • 2:29:08pm

re: #96 wrenchwench

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How come Obama won’t do anything about ISIS?

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Sir John Barron  Nov 16, 2016 • 2:30:02pm

re: #100 electrotek

lolwut

GOP to Obama: We’re gonna miss you. Seriously.

Yup, GOP, and Hillary too I bet. Now you’re on your own. Good luck with that.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 16, 2016 • 2:30:41pm

re: #121 Belafon

There’s something sad and truthful in there: We may have elected the first black president, but large portions of the country couldn’t handle it.

For every person filled with hope by Obama’s election, another was filled with dread and the GOP took advantage of that.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Nov 16, 2016 • 2:31:10pm

re: #102 GlutenFreeJesus

Trump just thought he could go in and take control of everything.

He, and the nutbars in Congress, probably figure that with all the voter suppression measures they’ve set up, and the more they will set up, Trump can just implement their entire agenda by Executive Order, and there’ll never be another Democratic Congress or President to overturn them.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 16, 2016 • 2:31:30pm

re: #125 Sir John Barron

Yup, GOP, and Hillary too I bet. Now you’re on your own. Good luck with that.

Yep now you actually have to stand for something and not have Obama or Clinton to scapegoat to your base.

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electrotek  Nov 16, 2016 • 2:31:46pm

Trump’s first litmus test: Japan

This anxiety is reflected in post-election polls in which close to 70 percent of Japanese expressed negative views of a Trump presidency (meanwhile, half of Australians before the election said their country should distance itself from the United States if Trump is elected, despite record high support for alliance with the United States overall).

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 16, 2016 • 2:33:30pm
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cat-tikvah  Nov 16, 2016 • 2:33:39pm

re: #107 plansbandc

Except the trunk isn’t groping anything.

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electrotek  Nov 16, 2016 • 2:33:49pm

I have a gut feeling that Trump’s comments about costs of security to East Asian allies may inevitably create more nationalistic (and xenophobic) fervor in Japan and South Korea.

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electrotek  Nov 16, 2016 • 2:35:04pm

I never thought I’d say this but I hope Shinzo Abe will convince Trump to reconsider his stance on the TPP.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 16, 2016 • 2:35:35pm

re: #103 EPR-radar

Trump’s margins of victory in the critical states were all very small, and these states are run by Republicans. The Republicans may have gotten up to more than the usual vote suppression.

I see no particular reason to assume the results are legitimate.

In the end, ‘legitimate’ is meaningless. In the absence of real evidence of cheating, it doesn’t matter what we think about the legitimacy.

What matters is how we respond.

I believe one thing the Dems must do is accomodate themselves to the current reality that the GOP controls a lot of State Houses and Governorships, so we’ll be fighting this Voter ID shit for years, and we won’t always win. That being the case, the way to deal with it is to keep fighting it while making sure everyone even remotely inclined to vote Democratic has an ID that allows them to vote under whatever Voter ID regime is passed in their state. It’ll cost money and shoeleather, but it will reduce the disenfranchisement.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 16, 2016 • 2:37:01pm
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We're Way Beyond Snark  Nov 16, 2016 • 2:37:09pm

re: #106 EPR-radar

That’s good news, if true. If the filibuster stays, the worst GOP excesses (e.g., ending Medicare) can be stopped if the Democrats are disciplined and stand strong.

And there won’t be 15 SC justices. And the ones we do get will still be icky, but probably not batshit.

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jaunte  Nov 16, 2016 • 2:37:37pm

Joshua Foust:

“…The one thing authoritarians want you to do is to accept that their conduct is normal, even when it is not. They do not want you to yearn for a freer, less oppressive and less corrupt time, and they do not want you to think it odd when, say, a government agency is purged or a bunch of protesters are arrested and vanish into the prisons without ever seeing trial. They want you to think it is normal when the President is openly selling your interests out to a foreign power, or when he is using the levers of government to materially enrich and empower his family. The presumption of normality during abnormal times is one of the most powerful weapons the authoritarian has, and that is why it is so important to recognize how profoundly abnormal Donald J. Trump will be as president. So I assembled a list:
joshuafoust.com
/blockquote>

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Nov 16, 2016 • 2:39:06pm

re: #134 Blind Frog Belly White

In the end, ‘legitimate’ is meaningless. In the absence of real evidence of cheating, it doesn’t matter what we think about the legitimacy.

What matters is how we respond.

I believe one thing the Dems must do is accomodate themselves to the current reality that the GOP controls a lot of State Houses and Governorships, so we’ll be fighting this Voter ID shit for years, and we won’t always win. That being the case, the way to deal with it is to keep fighting it while making sure everyone even remotely inclined to vote Democratic has an ID that allows them to vote under whatever Voter ID regime is passed in their state. It’ll cost money and shoeleather, but it will reduce the disenfranchisement.

They’re counting on making registration and voting difficult to do the job of suppression for them. If anybody tries to help people overcome those difficulties, they will simply refuse to register the “wrong” people or allow them to vote, legalities be damned. Who’s going to stop them?

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EPR-radar  Nov 16, 2016 • 2:41:09pm

re: #134 Blind Frog Belly White

In the end, ‘legitimate’ is meaningless. In the absence of real evidence of cheating, it doesn’t matter what we think about the legitimacy.

What matters is how we respond.

I believe one thing the Dems must do is accomodate themselves to the current reality that the GOP controls a lot of State Houses and Governorships, so we’ll be fighting this Voter ID shit for years, and we won’t always win. That being the case, the way to deal with it is to keep fighting it while making sure everyone even remotely inclined to vote Democratic has an ID that allows them to vote under whatever Voter ID regime is passed in their state. It’ll cost money and shoeleather, but it will reduce the disenfranchisement.

I agree that there is no point in hooting and hollering about the election results, since there is no smoking gun.

But here’s an interesting thought experiment. Reverse (D) and (R) in the election of 2016. No way in hell would Republicans accept decisive and razor-thin margins of victory in several Democrat-run states as being legitimate, especially after an obvious ratfucking of their candidate by the FBI.

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Belafon  Nov 16, 2016 • 2:41:46pm

re: #138 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

They’re counting on making registration and voting difficult to do the job of suppression for them. If anybody tries to help people overcome those difficulties, they will simply refuse to register the “wrong” people or allow them to vote, legalities be damned. Who’s going to stop them?

We’re going to by overwhelming them, hopefully starting early, and making sure those of us who aren’t part of that group get our butts to the polls.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Nov 16, 2016 • 2:43:45pm

re: #120 Cheechako

Oh. That would just be so “uppity” of him.

I HOPE HE DOES EXACTLY THIS.

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Nov 16, 2016 • 2:45:19pm

re: #134 Blind Frog Belly White

In the end, ‘legitimate’ is meaningless. In the absence of real evidence of cheating, it doesn’t matter what we think about the legitimacy.

What matters is how we respond.

I believe one thing the Dems must do is accomodate themselves to the current reality that the GOP controls a lot of State Houses and Governorships, so we’ll be fighting this Voter ID shit for years, and we won’t always win. That being the case, the way to deal with it is to keep fighting it while making sure everyone even remotely inclined to vote Democratic has an ID that allows them to vote under whatever Voter ID regime is passed in their state. It’ll cost money and shoeleather, but it will reduce the disenfranchisement.

here is a detailed story about how voter supression stole the election for trump. on the other hand, it demonstrates that old principle of dirty politics, “you can’t steal a landslide”

thelondoneconomic.com

if democrats can keep the margins higher than the voter suppression efforts, the gop can go to hell

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 16, 2016 • 2:45:25pm

re: #138 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

They’re counting on making registration and voting difficult to do the job of suppression for them. If anybody tries to help people overcome those difficulties, they will simply refuse to register the “wrong” people or allow them to vote, legalities be damned. Who’s going to stop them?

Yeah, that’s a little too ‘Shadowy Conspiracy’ for my taste.

Who is the ‘they’ who will refuse to register people who have all the proper documentation? Or refuse to allow them to vote? The people who do the registration are officeworkers in city and county goverment, and pollworkers at precincts.

If the GOP legislatures are going to pass laws requiring a type of ID that many Democrats don’t have, then the Democratic Party needs to help them get those IDs.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 16, 2016 • 2:46:37pm
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makeitstop  Nov 16, 2016 • 2:47:01pm

re: #116 EPR-radar

Pence sabotaging the transition so that Trump gets the boot before the inauguration is a scenario that makes sense. The Powers That Be in the Republican party seem likely to decide that Trump is bad for business.

I don’t even know if it’s about sabotaging Trump at this point.

Trump’s coterie is so infested with Russian sympathizers at this point, they could be slow-walking the transition to sabotage the national defense itself.

That Kremlin flack’s statement yesterday - ‘Washington is ours now’ - is chilling. And after Russia successfully interfered in our election (with the help of Comey), is it so far of a stretch to think that people like Flynn are trying to bring down the country itself?

The US government has been compromised, as far as I’m concerned. And a lot of Trump’s people are complicit in that.

/tin foil hat off

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CuriousLurker  Nov 16, 2016 • 2:47:28pm

re: #7 William Lewis

Of course not.

I have begun working on a pamphlet to encourage people to resist. I will share the draft here as soon as it’s done in the next day or so.

One page of the 6 is a list of online resources. I need to know what the best advocacy groups for our Muslim and Mexican neighbors are - is there anything on the level of the ADL or the NAACP?

CAIR is really the only one that functions like the ADL/NAACP on a national level, but as I’m sure you know they were quite effectively—and IMO intentionally—tainted by the whole “unindicted co-conspirator” thing back in 2007. As a matter of fact, simply searching for unindicted co-conspirator will bring up a crapload of wingnuttery. They have been the target of much innuendo (not to mention outright smear campaigns), yet they’ve never been formally indicted for or convicted of terrorism or conspiracy charges. Odd, huh?

Oh, and in 2014 they were listed as a terrorist organization by the United Arab Emirates. The United States government declared that CAIR is not a terrorist organization. From the CAIR Wikipedia page:

The Washington Post wrote: “CAIR and the Muslim American Society are not alone in their shock. Diverse groups across Europe were also added to the list, leaving many observers perplexed at the scope and sheer scale of the list. Norway’s foreign ministry has already publicly requested an explanation as to why one of the country’s largest Islamic groups, the Islamic Organization, was included, and on Monday, the U.S. State Department said they would be seeking more information from the U.A.” washingtonpost.com

If you’ve never read the entire wiki page and looked closely at the cited sources (several of which are FAR from objective), then I’d suggest you do so before adding CAIR to any list. You’ll see some familiar names (e.g. Fox News, the Clarion Project, the Investigative Project on Terrorism, etc.), so be prepared to answer questions based on bullshit manufactured by those outlets.

I wish I could give you the names of more organizations, but as I’m sure you’re aware by now, there’s a entire industry dedicated to immediately moving to taint & discredit any organization that attempts to help Muslims.

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EPR-radar  Nov 16, 2016 • 2:47:55pm

re: #136 We’re Way Beyond Snark

And there won’t be 15 SC justices. And the ones we do get will still be icky, but probably not batshit.

Not so fast. The report in #65 refers to legislative filibuster. The filibuster for judicial nominees is a separate thing. I don’t see the Republicans allowing that to remain, since getting the most batshit crazy RWNJ judges onto SCOTUS is their holy grail.

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William Lewis  Nov 16, 2016 • 2:48:47pm

re: #138 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

I tend to agree but it is a vital form of resistance to the regime so we must try and publicize it should we be foiled.

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Timothy Watson  Nov 16, 2016 • 2:50:51pm

Caught him on WTOP talking about this, might want to check it out:

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 16, 2016 • 2:51:19pm

re: #139 EPR-radar

I agree that there is no point in hooting and hollering about the election results, since there is no smoking gun.

But here’s an interesting thought experiment. Reverse (D) and (R) in the election of 2016. No way in hell would Republicans accept decisive and razor-thin margins of victory in several Democrat-run states as being legitimate, especially after an obvious ratfucking of their candidate by the FBI.

Yeah, and we make fun of them for it, because they make an accusation without any evidence.

Was the actual margin legitimate? Who cares? Without evidence to prove it wasn’t, it’s just pissing into the wind.

I’m sorry if I’m being dickish. I’m past the bargaining and denial stages. I got in trouble with Mrs. FBW the other day (and that lasted at least 24hrs) because she wanted me to read an article on how we can get the Electoral College to save us from Trump, but having already spent the time looking up ‘faithless electors’ and how the parties choose electors, and why despite the claims that it was designed for the small states it was really for the slave states, I was in no mood to listen to another pointless fantasy that WILL NEVER HAPPEN.

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We're Way Beyond Snark  Nov 16, 2016 • 2:51:42pm

re: #147 EPR-radar

Not so fast. The report in #65 refers to legislative filibuster. The filibuster for judicial nominees is a separate thing. I don’t see the Republicans allowing that to remain, since getting the most batshit crazy RWNJ judges onto SCOTUS is their holy grail.

I believe the SC is specifically excluded from the judicial apointment changes, though.

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William Lewis  Nov 16, 2016 • 2:52:26pm

re: #146 CuriousLurker

Thank you for this post. I have CAIR in my current draft because it is the only one I know of
Perhaps a line saying “Don’t believe the fascist lies?”

I just do not know.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 16, 2016 • 2:53:35pm

re: #144 Backwoods_Sleuth

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From the guy who did everything to handicap President Obama from day one, really fuck off Mitch. You knew this shit was coming though if they ever got the WH back.

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Pawn of the Oppressor  Nov 16, 2016 • 2:53:37pm

re: #121 Belafon

There’s something sad and truthful in there: We may have elected the first black president, but large portions of the country couldn’t handle it.

Think of Trump as their revenge for eight years of the liburl black guy.

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BeachDem  Nov 16, 2016 • 2:53:53pm

re: #111 makeitstop

This lends credence to the idea that they’re doing this on purpose, IMO.

Pence is the one with experience here, and he’s throwing one spanner after another into the works.

What else can we conclude at this point? The guy with all the government experience is the one who’s slowing this transition to a dead stop.

Per Matt Iglesius in 2008:
Mike Pence (R-IN) who I’ve seen on television today repeatedly discussing the Republican Study Group’s “plan” for the financial crisis. And I can tell you this about Mike Pence: he has no idea what he’s talking about. The man is a fool, who deserves to be laughed at. He’s almost stupid enough to work in cable television.

thinkprogress.org

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HappyWarrior  Nov 16, 2016 • 2:54:33pm

re: #132 electrotek

I have a gut feeling that Trump’s comments about costs of security to East Asian allies may inevitably create more nationalistic (and xenophobic) fervor in Japan and South Korea.

That is a legit worry.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Nov 16, 2016 • 2:55:17pm

re: #143 Blind Frog Belly White

Yeah, that’s a little too ‘Shadowy Conspiracy’ for my taste.

Who is the ‘they’ who will refuse to register people who have all the proper documentation? Or refuse to allow them to vote? The people who do the registration are officeworkers in city and county goverment, and pollworkers at precincts.

If the GOP legislatures are going to pass laws requiring a type of ID that many Democrats don’t have, then the Democratic Party needs to help them get those IDs.

“They” are Secretaries of State in red states and Election Department staff in red counties. Thousands of Kim Davises….

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CuriousLurker  Nov 16, 2016 • 2:57:30pm

re: #137 jaunte

Joshua Foust:

Link’s not working…

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Nov 16, 2016 • 2:59:02pm

And so the process goes. Today is definitely in the “rough day” category.

Also, exhausted, but ran my 8 miles today and had my best pace this week. I’ve run 26 miles in the past 5 days (8 Saturday, 5 Sunday, 5 yesterday, 8 today) and still have 3 to run on Friday and then 10 on Saturday. So, yay?

(I just. Yes. I am unlikely to be on topic today. Sorry Lizards.)

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jaunte  Nov 16, 2016 • 2:59:22pm

re: #158 CuriousLurker

Fixed! Thanks, I missed one /

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lawhawk  Nov 16, 2016 • 2:59:45pm

There’s a shock.

Really. Does it surprise anyone that Facebook (and media sites generally) saw people pushing all kinds of BS claims, nearly all of which were attack pieces against Clinton - all while ignoring hard journalism backed up by actual facts, especially when it attacked Trump.

It’s as though people have an aversion to facts and reality, and wanted to believe the worst there was about Clinton. Facts and reality be damned. We’ll just vote for the guy who’s going to enrich himself and his cronies, all while depleting the Treasury and gutting the safety net. Oh, and those jobs he promised? Vaporware. Eliminating and replacing Obamacare with something better? Vaporware and Malware.

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BeachDem  Nov 16, 2016 • 3:02:16pm

re: #125 Sir John Barron

Yup, GOP, and Hillary too I bet. Now you’re on your own. Good luck with that.

What comes next?
You’ve been freed
Do you know how hard it is to lead?

You’re on your own
Awesome. Wow
Do you have a clue what happens now?
Oceans rise
Empires fall
It’s much harder when it’s all your call…

When your people say they hate you
Don’t come crawling back to me

You’re on your own…

genius.com

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wrenchwench  Nov 16, 2016 • 3:03:53pm

re: #159 klys (maker of Silmarils)

And so the process goes. Today is definitely in the “rough day” category.

Also, exhausted, but ran my 8 miles today and had my best pace this week. I’ve run 26 miles in the past 5 days (8 Saturday, 5 Sunday, 5 yesterday, 8 today) and still have 3 to run on Friday and then 10 on Saturday. So, yay?

(I just. Yes. I am unlikely to be on topic today. Sorry Lizards.)

Yes, YAY! That’s a lotta miles. You could actually get somewhere with those. I do my 10 laps tomorrow.

I haven’t seen dangerman since the election. Did he say he’d be back or anything?

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Nov 16, 2016 • 3:08:01pm

re: #163 wrenchwench

Yes, YAY! That’s a lotta miles. You could actually get somewhere with those. I do my 10 laps tomorrow.

I haven’t seen dangerman since the election. Did he say he’d be back or anything?

I haven’t either. I am hoping it is just needing a break for a bit with the results. I can see where that space could be helpful. I hope he’s back soon.

Tomorrow is my off day and I am looking forward to it. >.>

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GlutenFreeJesus  Nov 16, 2016 • 3:09:35pm

Ok this is hilarious.

money.cnn.com

The President-Elect’s supporters are threatening to boycott Pepsi (PEP) over fabricated statements circulating on social media. Twitter users, many citing debunked news articles, claim PepsiCo (PEP) CEO Indra Nooyi told Trump fans to “take their business elsewhere.”

Sites designed to trick people, including Truthfeed and Gateway Pundit, published the fake quote while encouraging readers to stop buying Pepsi’s products. Gateway Pundit also incorrectly claimed PepsiCo’s stock plunged 5% because of the comment that Nooyi never actually made.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 16, 2016 • 3:09:42pm

re: #96 wrenchwench

Some Trump fans would cheer if those schools were bombed.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 16, 2016 • 3:10:01pm

re: #157 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

“They” are Secretaries of State in red states and Election Department staff in red counties. Thousands of Kim Davises….

Yeah, and we fight that battle, too - in the courts and if need be in the polling places.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Nov 16, 2016 • 3:11:20pm

Re: the voter suppression

The DNC needs to, at the same time, fight these laws while helping potential voters register so there is no doubt about their eligibility to vote in 2018.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 16, 2016 • 3:11:46pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 16, 2016 • 3:12:46pm

re: #169 Backwoods_Sleuth

What is AVR?

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Nov 16, 2016 • 3:13:07pm

re: #170 Eclectic Cyborg

What is AVR?

Automatic voter registration.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 16, 2016 • 3:13:15pm

re: #169 Backwoods_Sleuth

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This is an override of Rauner’s veto of automatic voter registration.

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Pawn of the Oppressor  Nov 16, 2016 • 3:13:45pm

re: #161 lawhawk

It needs to be understood that this is a religious war against people who regard the Other as subhuman. Until “liberal” strategy reflects the severity of this situation, it will fall short.

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Scout  Nov 16, 2016 • 3:15:32pm

re: #99 The Vicious Babushka
From that piece at Politico

Vice-president elect Mike Pence has gutted the transition’s so-called “landing teams,” the people responsible for going into federal agencies and helping to reshape them under a Trump administration, according to one source inside the transition and one downtown lobbyist close to it.

The gutting was part of Pence installing more campaign people in these slots and pushing aside members of the existing transition structure that’s been working on the federal agency issues for months..

I feel very strongly that all the hubbub about a sloppy transition is getting overblown (or I should say, is missing the point). The transition will eventually shake out.

What scares the living hell out of me is that Pence, by getting rid of the “landing teams,” is making sure that fanatical right-wing ideologues will be put into positions where they can do the utmost damage to the federal agencies, that, is destroy them.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Nov 16, 2016 • 3:16:00pm

Winger: WE NEED VOTER ID!!!!!!!

Anyone with common sense: IDs can be forged.

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CuriousLurker  Nov 16, 2016 • 3:17:19pm

re: #152 William Lewis

Thank you for this post. I have CAIR in my current draft because it is the only one I know of
Perhaps a line saying “Don’t believe the fascist lies?”

I just do not know.

You’re welcome and thanks for trying to help. The whole thing was basically a giant cluster****. There’s some follow-up in the article below if you’re interested. I could swear I read something more detailed somewhere else, but I can’t readily find it at the moment (maybe I’ll try looking for it at the weekend).

Judge: Feds violated U.S. Islamic group’s rights

U.S. District Court Judge Jorge Solis found that the Justice Department violated the Fifth Amendment rights of the North American Islamic Trust in 2007 by including it on the publicly filed co-conspirator list in a criminal case accusing the Holy Land Foundation and five of its officers of conspiring to support Hamas. Solis’s decision, issued in July 2009 and first reported in broad strokes on this blog last October, was confirmed in an opinion issued Wednesday by the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Fifth Circuit.

Solis also found that the government should not have included the other names on the list, including those of the Council on American-Islamic Relations and the Islamic Society of North America. The groups were never charged with any crime and they loudly complained in public that the federal government had unfaily tarnished their reputations. […]

politico.com

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electrotek  Nov 16, 2016 • 3:23:30pm

re: #165 GlutenFreeJesus

Ok this is hilarious.

money.cnn.com

HAHAHAHAHA that just made my day!!!

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Nov 16, 2016 • 3:24:55pm

i am shaving more often since i dont want to look anything like bannon the man who always looks like he hasnt shaved for 4 days

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Nyet  Nov 16, 2016 • 3:26:49pm

I don’t doubt that Bannon is a Zionist. What does that have to do with him being a white nationalist? Lots of them are Zionists.

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gocart mozart  Nov 16, 2016 • 3:27:56pm

Let’s all get our Irish up about Trump.

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The Vicious Babushka  Nov 16, 2016 • 3:28:06pm

re: #179 Nyet

I don’t doubt that Bannon is a Zionist. What does that have to do with him being a white nationalist? Lots of them are Zionists.

Yeah they hear “Zionism is Apartheid!” and they’re like, cool! I love Apartheid!

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electrotek  Nov 16, 2016 • 3:28:20pm

re: #179 Nyet

I don’t doubt that Bannon is a Zionist. What does that have to do with him being a white nationalist? Lots of them a Zionists.

They bastardized the term even more, and give ammunition to the hardcore pro-Palestine types that all Zionists are not to be trusted.

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electrotek  Nov 16, 2016 • 3:28:58pm

re: #181 The Vicious Babushka

Yeah they hear “Zionism is Apartheid!” and they’re like, cool! I love Apartheid!

They make it worse for decent Zionists who are more pragmatic and outspoken in their opposition to these demagogues.

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gocart mozart  Nov 16, 2016 • 3:29:12pm
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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Nov 16, 2016 • 3:29:31pm

re: #179 Nyet

I don’t doubt that Bannon is a Zionist. What does that have to do with him being a white nationalist? Lots of them a Zionists.

bannon’s beliefs are consonant with today’s nazis insistence that they have nothing against jews if they stay out of the u.s. and all go to israel

that’s what the stormer says flat out

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Timothy Watson  Nov 16, 2016 • 3:29:37pm

re: #181 The Vicious Babushka

Yeah they hear “Zionism is Apartheid!” and they’re like, cool! I love Apartheid!

Or the “The Jews can get out of America and go to Israel” talking point.

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Timothy Watson  Nov 16, 2016 • 3:30:20pm

re: #185 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

bannon’s beliefs are consonant with today’s nazis insistence that they have nothing against jews if they stay out of the u.s. and all go to israel

that’s what the stormer says flat out

6 frelling seconds.

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MsJ  Nov 16, 2016 • 3:30:25pm

OOC, if trump feels pence is screwing him, could trump fire pence and replace him with Ivanka for example?

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electrotek  Nov 16, 2016 • 3:30:53pm

re: #188 MsJ

OOC, if trump feels pence is screwing him, could trump fire pence and replace him with Ivanka for example?

No paid maternity for America then

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HappyWarrior  Nov 16, 2016 • 3:31:08pm

re: #180 gocart mozart

Let’s all get our Irish up about Trump.

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Buy that man a pint.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 16, 2016 • 3:32:43pm

re: #179 Nyet

I don’t doubt that Bannon is a Zionist. What does that have to do with him being a white nationalist? Lots of them are Zionists.

Why would an antisemite NOT be Zionist? The more Jews who move to Israel, the fewer in America to Control The Media And Run The International Banking Conspiracy.

I mean, fer chrissakes, it’s almost like saying that you can’t be racist if you tell blacks to move back to Africa,or Latinos to move back to Mexico.

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Nov 16, 2016 • 3:32:46pm

re: #180 gocart mozart

Let’s all get our Irish up about Trump.

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somebody tell trump that the irish will never be able to assimilate to the u.s. and that their religion demands that they pledge their first loyalty to a foreign potentate thus it makes them unpatriotic. before you know it they could be like one quarter of the population of the united states!

“ireland is not sending us their best people i can tell you that believe me”

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Nyet  Nov 16, 2016 • 3:32:48pm

re: #181 The Vicious Babushka

Yeah they hear “Zionism is Apartheid!” and they’re like, cool! I love Apartheid!

Wilders is a Zionist, etc.

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Nov 16, 2016 • 3:33:05pm

re: #187 Timothy Watson

6 frelling seconds.

hmm?

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Timothy Watson  Nov 16, 2016 • 3:33:11pm

re: #188 MsJ

OOC, if trump feels pence is screwing him, could trump fire pence and replace him with Ivanka for example?

Up to the electors right now, after he’s sworn in the President can’t fire the Vice President.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 16, 2016 • 3:33:48pm

re: #186 Timothy Watson

re: #186 Timothy Watson

re: #191 Blind Frog Belly White

Okay, you both beat me all hollow.

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Timothy Watson  Nov 16, 2016 • 3:34:05pm

re: #194 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

hmm?

I said pretty much the same thing that you did 6 seconds after you did. Happens a lot to me. :)

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 16, 2016 • 3:34:53pm

re: #197 Timothy Watson

I said pretty much the same thing that you did 6 seconds after you did. Happens a lot to me. :)

Touch typist? Or hunt ‘n’ pecker?

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Nov 16, 2016 • 3:35:10pm

re: #197 Timothy Watson

I said pretty much the same thing that you did 6 seconds after you did. Happens a lot to me. :)

ah

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Nyet  Nov 16, 2016 • 3:36:44pm

re: #191 Blind Frog Belly White

Why would an antisemite NOT be Zionist? The more Jews who move to Israel, the fewer in America to Control The Media And Run The International Banking Conspiracy.

I mean, fer chrissakes, it’s almost like saying that you can’t be racist if you tell blacks to move back to Africa,or Latinos to move back to Mexico.

Julius Streicher claimed to be a Zionist during the Nuremberg trial. He was still hanged lol.

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JasonA  Nov 16, 2016 • 3:38:27pm

re: #126 HappyWarrior

For every person filled with hope by Obama’s election, another was filled with dread and the GOP took advantage of that.

My own mother was one of them. She was rooting for Hillary in the ‘08 primary. When she lost, something changed. She hated the hell out of Obama. Watched Fox News. Read Hot Air.

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Nov 16, 2016 • 3:39:04pm

re: #198 Blind Frog Belly White

Touch typist? Or hunt ‘n’ pecker?

please dont tempt me to pun again

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Jebediah, RBG  Nov 16, 2016 • 3:39:53pm

re: #134 Blind Frog Belly White

it will reduce the disenfranchisement.

You’re right - that has to be a major priority.

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Nov 16, 2016 • 3:40:41pm

re: #201 JasonA

My own mother was one of them. She was rooting for Hillary in the ‘08 primary. When she lost, something changed. She hated the hell out of Obama. Watched Fox News. Read Hot Air.

happened to my cousin, too, but for some reason by the time this election was really underway he was swearing he had always been a democrat and a progressive and was for bernie

whatever

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Timothy Watson  Nov 16, 2016 • 3:43:47pm

re: #198 Blind Frog Belly White

Touch typist? Or hunt ‘n’ pecker?

80 wpm at least. My problem is typing something like “be” instead of “by” and forcing myself to spend the time to proofread it.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 16, 2016 • 3:44:33pm

Okay, so there’s one thing that bothers me. Trump is probably the one who put this most succinctly, and thus most closely juxtaposed the contradictions. To paraphrase:

1) Janet Yellen is keeping interest rates artificially low.

2) If she raised them, the economy would be worse off.

Okay, if raising them would make the economy worse, by what measure are they ‘artificially low’? If inflation were rampant, then, yeah, you could argue they were artificially low.

But it’s not. Even the usual, “But my gas cost more, so inflation is much higher than they tell you!” doesn’t work anymore.

Then again, who am I to demand logic?

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BlueSpotinAL  Nov 16, 2016 • 3:45:08pm

re: #168 GlutenFreeJesus

Re: the voter suppression

The DNC needs to, at the same time, fight these laws while helping potential voters register so there is no doubt about their eligibility to vote in 2018.

You know what would get those laws overturned in a New York minute? If the Dems could get ID and registrartion for all the minority voters, leaving the white economically anxious voters without ID and registered.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Nov 16, 2016 • 3:47:23pm

re: #207 BlueSpotinAL

Ditto with open carry.

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Nov 16, 2016 • 3:48:18pm

which reminds me um when is donhalt j trompfstein going to get the minions of the multinationals in congress to pass his 35% tariffs, leave nafta, and otherwise pressure corporations to stop moving factories to other countries and to start “bringing the jobs back”

because we’re gonna win so much yur gonna get tired a winnin

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JasonA  Nov 16, 2016 • 3:50:08pm

Preview of the next four years.

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electrotek  Nov 16, 2016 • 3:51:27pm

Oh my God, I keep getting drawn into FB arguments with idiots on my news feed who keep insisting the “alt-right” is not inherently anti-Semitic and homophobic. They live in their own little world.

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Timothy Watson  Nov 16, 2016 • 3:51:51pm

re: #210 JasonA

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Preview of the next four years.

Not mutually exclusive, the second story only says no paperwork has been submitted yet.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 16, 2016 • 3:52:24pm

re: #210 JasonA

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Timothy Watson  Nov 16, 2016 • 3:53:37pm

re: #213 Backwoods_Sleuth

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WTFITS

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The Vicious Babushka  Nov 16, 2016 • 3:54:30pm
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Myron Falwell (no relation)  Nov 16, 2016 • 3:54:35pm

re: #94 electrotek

Ugh, can 2016 get any worse? How much lower can it go? Had so many memories listening to this alternative rock station since we moved to Texas from California in February ‘95 and was the basis for so many wonderful memories in the past

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RIP KDGE

@radioinsight’s website is currently down, and that speaks to the magnitude of this news.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 16, 2016 • 3:54:48pm

re: #214 Timothy Watson

WTFITS

communication within the Trump Tower is hard…

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 16, 2016 • 3:55:47pm
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makeitstop  Nov 16, 2016 • 3:56:03pm

re: #211 electrotek

Oh my God, I keep getting drawn into FB arguments with idiots on my news feed who keep insisting the “alt-right” is not inherently anti-Semitic and homophobic. They live in their own little world.

I had one of those yesterday. Despite getting a ton of links from me and about 4 other people, this guy would simply not accept what was staring him in the face.

None so blind, etc.

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makeitstop  Nov 16, 2016 • 3:56:52pm

re: #213 Backwoods_Sleuth

Conway on Kushner clearance: “It’s appropriate for whoever’s going to get the presidential daily briefing to have a security clearance.”

Isn’t there a reason they call it that?

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electrotek  Nov 16, 2016 • 3:57:01pm

re: #216 Myron Falwell (no relation)

@radioinsight’s website is currently down, and that speaks to the magnitude of this news.

Jeez, that’s sad.

I have a few friends that worked there: Jeff K, DJ Merritt, Fletch, Ayo, Mark, and Josh, and it’s pretty hard to see a station that I grew up with just wither from the airwaves immediately.

Radio is a bitch of a business.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 16, 2016 • 3:57:27pm

re: #220 makeitstop

Isn’t there a reason they call it that?

pesky details…

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wrenchwench  Nov 16, 2016 • 3:58:21pm

re: #206 Blind Frog Belly White

Okay, so there’s one thing that bothers me. Trump is probably the one who put this most succinctly, and thus most closely juxtaposed the contradictions. To paraphrase:

1) Janet Yellen is keeping interest rates artificially low.

2) If she raised them, the economy would be worse off.

Okay, if raising them would make the economy worse, by what measure are they ‘artificially low’? If inflation were rampant, then, yeah, you could argue they were artificially low.

But it’s not. Even the usual, “But my gas cost more, so inflation is much higher than they tell you!” doesn’t work anymore.

Then again, who am I to demand logic?

They are artificially low by the measure that the Fed is artificial, therefore….

They just hate the Fed. And Yellen, while they’re at it.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 16, 2016 • 3:58:43pm

O_o

“Well look, you know, American campaigns are pretty robust,” McConnell said. “I think a lot of Americans don’t realize we’ve had a lot of elections like this in the past. I’m thinking of 1824 ― Andrew Jackson, Henry Clay, John Adams,” he said.

Jackson was a slaveowner and Clay’s compromises helped preserve slavery until not long before the Civil War.

“Almost anything I heard in the course of this campaign pales in comparison to what Adams and Jefferson said about each other, usually in unsigned documents,” McConnell said. “American campaigns are pretty spirited, pretty robust. What’s different is with the internet, and 24-hour TV, everybody [is] constantly confronted with all this.”

He went on to tell Americans to get over it and move on with their lives.

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retired cynic  Nov 16, 2016 • 4:01:04pm

re: #172 Backwoods_Sleuth

This is an override of Rauner’s veto of automatic voter registration.

It will be harder to get the House to override. It’s more evenly divided. Fingers crossed!

(Rauner is a sane Trump.)

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HappyWarrior  Nov 16, 2016 • 4:01:59pm

re: #224 Backwoods_Sleuth

O_o

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Get over it? Wonder where this rhetoric was when Obama won.//

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CuriousLurker  Nov 16, 2016 • 4:04:09pm

re: #193 Nyet

Wilders is a Zionist, etc.

And one can be a Jew and a white nationalist/supremacist, like David Yerushalmi who, apart from the ultra-Orthodox, also appears to despise many (most?) Israeli Jews. SANE is his Society of Americans for National Existence:

Today, the majority of SANE’s website is accessible only to members. But in a series of lengthy front-page articles, Yerushalmi, a native of New Orleans, spells out many of his controversial beliefs.

He emphasizes America’s roots as a white, male-dominated, Christian country. He rails against political correctness that does not allow “hard questions” about why “blacks in NYC are 2.5 times more overrepresented as murderers than any other race.” He also suggests that there may have been a good reason for the Founding Fathers to have allowed states to limit “the political franchise to a subset of the overall adult population,” referring to white male property owners.

In a February 2007 article, he also wrote: “One must admit readily that the radical liberal Jew is a fact of the West and a destructive one. Indeed, Jews in the main have turned their backs on the belief in G-d and His commandments as a book of laws for a particular and chosen people. These Jews, the overwhelming majority, have embraced modernity in its entirety.”

For Yerushalmi, Israel, as a liberal democracy, presents much the same problem. “There is much to despise about Zionist Israel,” he noted in the same 2007 essay. Except for the ultra-Orthodox, he added, “most Israelis are raging Leftists, and this includes the so-called nationalists who found a home in the ‘right-wing’ Likud political bloc or one of the other smaller and more marginal right-wing parties.” […]

forward.com

A real charming guy, that one. For anyone not familiar with his name, he’s the lawyer behind all the anti-Sharia laws.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 16, 2016 • 4:04:32pm

re: #226 HappyWarrior

Get over it? Wonder where this rhetoric was when Obama won.//

I am willing, although begrudgingly, to accept Donald Trump as our freely and legally elected President.

I recall, however, that Donald Trump was a major spokesperson for a movement that denied the legality and validity of Obama’s Presidency…

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 16, 2016 • 4:04:33pm

re: #223 wrenchwench

They are artificially low by the measure that the Fed is artificial, therefore….

They just hate the Fed. And Yellen, while they’re at it.

Gosh, remember when “Conservative Economist” meant you preferred monetary policy over fiscal policy to keep us balanced between recession and inflation? And believing in the Gold Standard meant you were an idiot?

Good times.

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The Vicious Babushka  Nov 16, 2016 • 4:08:58pm

BUT HEY, AT LEAST IT’S NOT A PRIVATE EMAIL SERVER

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FormerDirtDart  Nov 16, 2016 • 4:09:07pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 16, 2016 • 4:09:31pm

Ya know, for the ‘Get Over It’ crowd, I don’t hear a lot of folks on the Left crying “Voter Fraud!”, or denying Trump’s eligibility, or even many saying we should ignore the EC.

What I hear are that the EC could still overturn it (technically true, but never gonna happen); that the EC should be abolished (the Constitution tells us how to amend it, and many have said this for years); that both Trump’s rhetoric and his stated goals are unacceptable.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 16, 2016 • 4:10:54pm

re: #232 Blind Frog Belly White

Ya know, for the ‘Get Over It’ crowd, I don’t hear a lot of folks on the Left crying “Voter Fraud!”, or denying Trump’s eligibility, or even many saying we should ignore the EC.

What I hear are that the EC could still overturn it (technically true, but never gonna happen); that the EC should be abolished (the Constitution tells us how to amend it, and many have said this for years); that both Trump’s rhetoric and his stated goals are unacceptable.

Right. He won legitimately. But I’ve always had problems with the EC.

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Nyet  Nov 16, 2016 • 4:11:56pm

re: #227 CuriousLurker

Some Israeli ultra-Zionists find fellow souls among neo-Nazis.

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Charles Johnson  Nov 16, 2016 • 4:12:33pm

re: #227 CuriousLurker

And one can be a Jew and a white nationalist/supremacist, like David Yerushalmi who, apart from the ultra-Orthodox, also appears to despise many (most?) Israeli Jews. SANE is his Society of Americans for National Existence:

A real charming guy, that one. For anyone not familiar with his name, he’s the lawyer behind all the anti-Sharia laws.

I’ve written several times about this disgusting person: Yes, Another White Nationalist at National Review

Yerushalmi is Pamela Geller’s associate, and of course he’s horribly bigoted against Muslims; on his own site, he advocates criminalizing Islam itself and imposing 20-year sentences on practicing Muslims, an un-American violation of the First Amendment.

But this is also the man who, in an infamous article titled “On Race: A Tentative Discussion, Part II,” advocated a return to a pre-Bill of Rights Constitution and the restriction of voting rights to white male land-owners. Yes, really.

Yerushalmi deleted as much evidence of the “On Race” article as he could; he removed it from the Internet Archive and the Google cache, and put his entire website behind a registration wall. But here’s a PDF that contains the full article; Yerushalmi opens by calling Islam “an evil religion,” and “blacks … the most murderous of peoples.” A quote:

There is a reason the founding fathers did not give women or black slaves the right to vote. You might not agree or like the idea but this country’s founders, otherwise held in the highest esteem for their understanding of human nature and its affect on political society, certainly took it seriously. Why is that? Were they so flawed in their political reckonings that they manhandled the most important aspect of a free society - the vote? If the vote counts for so much in a free and liberal democracy as we “know” it today, why did they limit the vote so dramatically?

(That PDF is no longer online.)

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HappyWarrior  Nov 16, 2016 • 4:13:48pm

re: #235 Charles Johnson

I’ve written several times about this disgusting person: Yes, Another White Nationalist at National Review

(That PDF is no longer online.)

God I hate NRO.

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Nyet  Nov 16, 2016 • 4:15:42pm

re: #235 Charles Johnson

It’s at

http://web.archive.org/web/20100828035953/http://www.mcadamreport.org/The%20McAdam%20Report%28585%29-05-12-06.pdf
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EPR-radar  Nov 16, 2016 • 4:16:00pm

re: #236 HappyWarrior

God I hate NRO.

Noxious Racists Online

National Racist Orifice

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The Vicious Babushka  Nov 16, 2016 • 4:16:18pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 16, 2016 • 4:16:35pm

re: #233 HappyWarrior

Right. He won legitimately. But I’ve always had problems with the EC.

Same here, since before 2000, when the GOP were afraid the EC would give Gore the victory despite losing the PV. They were all ready to delegitimize the EC, till the opposite happened and suddenly it was the Wisdom Of The Founders.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 16, 2016 • 4:16:48pm

re: #238 EPR-radar

Noxious Racists Online

National Racist Orifice

Yep.

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The Vicious Babushka  Nov 16, 2016 • 4:17:26pm
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HappyWarrior  Nov 16, 2016 • 4:17:41pm

re: #240 Blind Frog Belly White

Same here, since before 2000, when the GOP were afraid the EC would give Gore the victory despite losing the PV. They were all ready to delegitimize the EC, till the opposite happened and suddenly it was the Wisdom Of The Founders.

Yeah. For me, it’s a belief that one man, one vote should decide the election.

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JasonA  Nov 16, 2016 • 4:17:54pm
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CuriousLurker  Nov 16, 2016 • 4:18:23pm

re: #237 Nyet

It’s at

Oooh, thank you! I’d just gone off in search of it, so you saved me some time.

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Nyet  Nov 16, 2016 • 4:23:29pm

Ultra-right nationalism more or less inevitably merges with fascism. It doesn’t matter if it’s Jewish or Russian.

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meteor  Nov 16, 2016 • 4:29:39pm

re: #242 The Vicious Babushka

Holy crimony, I agree with Lindsay Graham for once.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 16, 2016 • 4:31:59pm

re: #246 Nyet

Ultra-right nationalism more or less inevitably merges with fascism. It doesn’t matter if it’s Jewish or Russian.

Correct.

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Nov 16, 2016 • 4:33:07pm

corker says under trump the kurds can have their way

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jeffreyw  Nov 16, 2016 • 4:34:17pm
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Nyet  Nov 16, 2016 • 4:34:45pm

On twitter I meet a lot of pro-Palestinian activists who are basically neo-Nazis. Holocaust denying, antisemitic scum. But then… then some ultra-Zionists chime in with counter-propaganda. I look at their TLs and see Trump, Trump Trump (among other “nice” things).

Pox on both of their houses.

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The Vicious Babushka  Nov 16, 2016 • 4:35:33pm

re: #250 jeffreyw

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Nov 16, 2016 • 4:35:48pm

>.>

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HappyWarrior  Nov 16, 2016 • 4:36:43pm

re: #251 Nyet

On twitter I meet a lot of pro-Palestinian activists who are basically neo-Nazis. Holocaust denying, antisemitic scum. But then… then some ultra-Zionists chime in with counter-propaganda. I look at their TLs and see Trump, Trump Trump (among other “nice” things).

Pox on both of their houses.

So many think it’s gotta be one or the other. World has never worked that way.

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Belafon  Nov 16, 2016 • 4:37:54pm

re: #161 lawhawk

One of the things we have to tell people is how much they got played.

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electrotek  Nov 16, 2016 • 4:38:10pm

re: #249 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

corker says under trump the kurds can have their way

That explains why some Kurds voted for Trump. They’ll basically vote for anyone that promises them a Kurdish state.

Can’t blame them, I suppose. But given their history of being deceived and screwed over countless times, you’d figure they would be more suspicious of Trump than anyone else.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 16, 2016 • 4:39:49pm

re: #253 klys (maker of Silmarils)

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Belafon  Nov 16, 2016 • 4:40:29pm

re: #167 Blind Frog Belly White

Yeah, and we fight that battle, too - in the courts and if need be in the polling places.

Which is why I’m donating monthly to the ACLU and the SPLC.

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Amory Blaine  Nov 16, 2016 • 4:43:00pm

Republicans aim to start Obamacare repeal in January

Republicans on Capitol Hill are growing confident that they can begin to repeal Obamacare once President-elect Donald Trump is sworn in, along with a pledge to replace it later.

“We have an Obamacare emergency right now,” said Sen. Lamar Alexander (R-Tenn.), the chairman of the Senate HELP Committee. “I think we could move forward in January on some aspects of repeal but we need to make sure that we are helping people and that we do no harm.”

Discussions among GOP lawmakers and with the Trump transition team are still taking shape. But the goal is to move aggressively, getting points on the board against President Barack Obama’s health care law right away — as early as Inauguration Day itself, Jan. 20.

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FormerDirtDart  Nov 16, 2016 • 4:43:07pm
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Charles Johnson  Nov 16, 2016 • 4:43:22pm

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HappyWarrior  Nov 16, 2016 • 4:44:53pm

re: #260 FormerDirtDart

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More than a few states…

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Nyet  Nov 16, 2016 • 4:46:30pm

re: #260 FormerDirtDart

Anybody wants to defend the EC?

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mmmirele  Nov 16, 2016 • 4:46:48pm

re: #136 We’re Way Beyond Snark

And there won’t be 15 SC justices. And the ones we do get will still be icky, but probably not batshit.

Warren Throckmorton (an evangelical college professor who did not vote for Trump) has been told that Ted Cruz is being considered for a cabinet position or SCOTUS. I consider Throckmorton to be reliable because he’s busted open some festering evangelical money scandals, including my picketing target Mark Driscoll.

patheos.com

My response was that if Cruz got that kind of power, he’d try to implement “The Handmaid’s Tale.” *shudder*

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HappyWarrior  Nov 16, 2016 • 4:50:24pm

re: #264 mmmirele

Warren Throckmorton (an evangelical college professor who did not vote for Trump) has been told that Ted Cruz is being considered for a cabinet position or SCOTUS. I consider Throckmorton to be reliable because he’s busted open some festering evangelical money scandals, including my picketing target Mark Driscoll.

patheos.com

My response was that if Cruz got that kind of power, he’d try to implement “The Handmaid’s Tale.” *shudder*

Cruz is awful. And it’s something I could see happening too.

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Donkey With No Name  Nov 16, 2016 • 4:54:12pm

re: #206 Blind Frog Belly White

Okay, if raising them would make the economy worse, by what measure are they ‘artificially low’? If inflation were rampant, then, yeah, you could argue they were artificially low.

They’re artificially low by the standards of “I can’t just lend out money in no-risk investments and get a large return”?

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Charles Johnson  Nov 16, 2016 • 4:58:37pm

Had one of those incredibly frustrating exchanges with David Frum today, about his incredibly wrong-headed column in the Atlantic: Suspending Alt-Right Twitter Accounts Doesn’t Fix Anything.

BULLSHIT. Yes, it does fix something.

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FormerDirtDart  Nov 16, 2016 • 4:58:50pm

re: #262 HappyWarrior

More than a few states…

New numbers
69,447,566 American voters rejected Donald Trump
Clinton: 62,568,373 (47.8%)
Trump: 61,336,159 (46.9%)
Others: 6,879,193 (5.3%)
Total: 130,783,725


You should take a look at the google doc., interesting numbers.
Like 2016 saw a total 130,783,725 votes compare to 2012’s 129,075,630 total.
An increase of only 1,708,095 (1.3%)
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electrotek  Nov 16, 2016 • 4:59:56pm

Man I’m paying the price for eating that Chick’n’Shack sandwich from Shake Shack this afternoon.

Ugh I feel like I’m going to throw up. What a horrible feeling.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Nov 16, 2016 • 5:00:56pm

re: #268 FormerDirtDart

New numbers
69,447,566 American voters rejected Donald Trump
Clinton: 62,568,373 (47.8%)
Trump: 61,336,159 (46.9%)
Others: 6,879,193 (5.3%)
Total: 130,783,725

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You should take a look at the google doc., interesting numbers.
Like 2016 saw a total 130,783,725 votes compare to 2012’s 129,075,630 total.
An increase of only 1,708,095 (1.3%)

Just remember, all that lead is from CA. All 62 million people who voted for her come from CA.

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EPR-radar  Nov 16, 2016 • 5:03:29pm

re: #263 Nyet

Anybody wants to defend the EC?

I can’t think of a single reason for the electoral college to continue to exist.

However, getting rid of it by constitutional amendment or making it moot with the National Popular Vote Compact both seem to be impossible.

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Charles Johnson  Nov 16, 2016 • 5:04:05pm

And then… this guy.

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FormerDirtDart  Nov 16, 2016 • 5:05:06pm

re: #270 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Just remember, all that lead is from CA. All 62 million people who voted for her come from CA.

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One of the interesting numbers on the google doc. was that California saw a 16.8% decrease in votes cast compared to 2012

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Nov 16, 2016 • 5:06:05pm

re: #270 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Just remember, all that lead is from CA. All 62 million people who voted for her come from CA.

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All we need is for Superman to reverse the rotation of the Earth so that the polls close first on the West Coast—then they wouldn’t have that talking point….

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EPR-radar  Nov 16, 2016 • 5:06:31pm

re: #267 Charles Johnson

I used to think Germany’s state censorship of Naziism etc. was troublesome from a free speech point of view.

Then I got a clue. Some crap like this absolutely has to be suppressed.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Nov 16, 2016 • 5:08:12pm

re: #273 FormerDirtDart

One of the interesting numbers on the google doc. was that California saw a 16.8% decrease in votes cast compared to 2012

Well, given that we’re still counting votes here, I’m not going to bank on that being the final result.

Might still be down, but I don’t think it will be that far down.

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Donkey With No Name  Nov 16, 2016 • 5:08:14pm

re: #263 Nyet

Anybody wants to defend the EC?

Not necessarily defending the Electoral College, but the fundamental problem with “one man, one vote” in the US is that we don’t have a uniform national voting system. As long as states get to decide who’s on the voter register, where to place voting stations, etc., it’ll still be possible to manipulate things on a national level, and now you give all states controlled by one party an incentive to suppress the other.

(Not to mention that the very fact that the popular vote totals are adjusting this long after the election would be terrifying if were deciding based solely on popular vote and the vote were in fact close…)

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dell*nix  Nov 16, 2016 • 5:08:32pm

re: #12 jaunte

Be prepared for more of this shit.

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Charles Johnson  Nov 16, 2016 • 5:08:36pm

re: #275 EPR-radar

I used to think Germany’s state censorship of Naziism etc. was troublesome from a free speech point of view.

Then I got a clue. Some crap like this absolutely has to be suppressed.

I still don’t believe the US government should try to suppress speech. But Twitter and Facebook absolutely should stop white supremacists and neo-Nazis from using their services to spread their poison.

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Nyet  Nov 16, 2016 • 5:08:37pm
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The Vicious Babushka  Nov 16, 2016 • 5:09:59pm

I LOVE THIS

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Nyet  Nov 16, 2016 • 5:10:52pm

re: #277 Donkey With No Name

Not necessarily defending the Electoral College

Good.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Nov 16, 2016 • 5:11:06pm

re: #281 The Vicious Babushka

Someone’s grandma probably had to change her cell phone number today. :/

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freetoken  Nov 16, 2016 • 5:12:26pm

re: #276 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Well, given that we’re still counting votes here, I’m not going to bank on that being the final result.

Might still be down, but I don’t think it will be that far down.

Agree.

Clinton is closing in on the Obama 2012 number:

Hillary Clinton
(Party: DEM) 6,678,927
61.5%
Donald J. Trump
(Party: REP, AI) 3,575,340
32.9%

Latest unprocessed ballot report from this evening:

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Nyet  Nov 16, 2016 • 5:12:43pm

re: #283 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Ya, that was dumb.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Nov 16, 2016 • 5:13:21pm

re: #284 freetoken

Hey, no county has over a million outstanding by themselves anymore! Progress!

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freetoken  Nov 16, 2016 • 5:14:57pm

re: #286 klys (maker of Silmarils)

My bad, I wrote 2008 instead of 2012.

I’m so unready for it be 2017 already.

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Nov 16, 2016 • 5:15:10pm

the democratic party needs to be messaging Big Time that the second trump was elected he abandoned the blue collar base and the promises he made to them and immediately began to give away the store to the elites and the republican party establishment

whatever racism and xenophobia was involved, they did NOT vote for destroying medicare, tax cuts for the wealthy, and even more wall st in the oval office

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Stanley Sea  Nov 16, 2016 • 5:15:31pm

re: #285 Nyet

Bah

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electrotek  Nov 16, 2016 • 5:16:16pm

re: #288 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

the democratic party needs to be messaging Big Time that the second trump was elected he abandoned the blue collar base and the promises he made to them and immediately began to give away the store to the elites and the republican party establishment

whatever racism and xenophobia was involved, they did NOT vote for destroying medicare, tax cuts for the wealthy, and even more wall st in the oval office

I’m not so keen on making false promises to the blue collar base. It seems like they don’t want to progress when it comes to the economy and expect the same jobs they held prior.

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Kaessa  Nov 16, 2016 • 5:16:37pm

re: #26 Dr. Matt

It pains me to say this, but women and minorities should strongly consider getting firearm training and a concealed weapons license.

Already done. I’m just carrying more often now.

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teleskiguy  Nov 16, 2016 • 5:18:01pm

Here’s something light ‘cause shit’s so heavy.

Most dangerous GoPro Footage – captured in Obergurgl-Hochgurgl

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Nov 16, 2016 • 5:18:52pm

I just don’t understand why it takes California so long to count votes. My ballot was verified and accepted the day after it was received, and we knew our total within a couple of hours on election night. King County, WA is second only to Los Angeles County in the country in number of ballots handled.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 16, 2016 • 5:19:56pm

this shouldn’t cause any diplomatic misunderstandings…

One day before U.S. President-elect Donald Trump’s first meeting with a foreign leader, Japanese Prime Minister Shinzo Abe, Japanese officials said they had not finalized when or where in New York it would take place, who would be invited, or in some cases whom to call for answers.

Uncertainty over the talks shows the difficulties in turning Trump from a freewheeling businessman into a sitting president with a watertight schedule and a fully functioning administration by his inauguration on Jan. 20.

Japanese and U.S. officials said on Wednesday the State Department had not been involved in planning the meeting, leaving the logistical and protocol details that normally would be settled far in advance still to be determined.

“There has been a lot of confusion,” said one Japanese official.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 16, 2016 • 5:20:15pm

re: #267 Charles Johnson

Will they scream “censorship?” Of course./blockquote>

Yes. But they won’t be screaming it on Twitter.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Nov 16, 2016 • 5:20:24pm

re: #293 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

I just don’t understand why it takes California so long to count votes. My ballot was verified and accepted the day after it was received, and we knew our total within a couple of hours on election night. King County, WA is second only to Los Angeles County in the country in number of ballots handled.

Because CA insists on the manual validation of the signature on the absentee ballot against the registration record.

It’s not the election day votes that are taking this long to process.

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Charles Johnson  Nov 16, 2016 • 5:20:50pm

This guy then proceeded to subtweet me.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Nov 16, 2016 • 5:21:26pm

re: #296 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Because CA insists on the manual validation of the signature on the absentee ballot against the registration record.

It’s not the election day votes that are taking this long to process.

And yes, I realize that WA is all absentee.

The state probably made a few changes at that point to allow for faster processing of absentee ballots as well.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 16, 2016 • 5:22:20pm

re: #271 EPR-radar

I can’t think of a single reason for the electoral college to continue to exist.

However, getting rid of it by constitutional amendment or making it moot with the National Popular Vote Compact both seem to be impossible.

Because some asshole in Wyoming is 7 times more important than I am.

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Charles Johnson  Nov 16, 2016 • 5:22:20pm

re: #297 Charles Johnson

I started to type a reply to this insulting bullshit. But then I realized there’s no point.

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Charles Johnson  Nov 16, 2016 • 5:23:26pm

“Paternalism.” Right, that’s me, Mr. Paternal.

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electrotek  Nov 16, 2016 • 5:24:06pm

re: #297 Charles Johnson

This guy then proceeded to subtweet me.

He’s a living example of how humans can act irrationally against their own interests. Like you mentioned a few days ago on Twitter.

After all, they are right wingers heh

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 16, 2016 • 5:24:18pm
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The Vicious Babushka  Nov 16, 2016 • 5:24:23pm

CLUELESS DIMWIT HAS NO CLUE & LESS WIT

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EPR-radar  Nov 16, 2016 • 5:24:37pm

re: #296 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Because CA insists on the manual validation of the signature on the absentee ballot against the registration record.

It’s not the election day votes that are taking this long to process.

That seems to be a silly part of the process in CA. I don’t believe handwritten signatures can be verified with high accuracy.

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Nyet  Nov 16, 2016 • 5:24:43pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 16, 2016 • 5:25:05pm

re: #273 FormerDirtDart

One of the interesting numbers on the google doc. was that California saw a 16.8% decrease in votes cast compared to 2012

There are millions of votes yet to count. Make no conclusions yet. Turnout - which everyone had been saying was so awfully low - has already exceeded 2012.

There’s no real need to rush into making conclusions about the election, once you know the winner. Everything else is best left till the data are all in.

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Charles Johnson  Nov 16, 2016 • 5:25:17pm
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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Nov 16, 2016 • 5:25:26pm

re: #305 EPR-radar

That seems to be a silly part of the process in CA. I don’t believe handwritten signatures can be verified with high accuracy.

I think it’s stupid. But it’s probably the main reason this is taking so long, because how many people are you going to hire to do something that has no impact on the outcome?

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Belafon  Nov 16, 2016 • 5:25:58pm

re: #280 Nyet

Adultery is legal, and causes big problems.

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electrotek  Nov 16, 2016 • 5:26:05pm

re: #308 Charles Johnson

Please put a digital wall around it.

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Nyet  Nov 16, 2016 • 5:26:24pm
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ObserverArt  Nov 16, 2016 • 5:29:32pm

re: #300 Charles Johnson

I started to type a reply to this insulting bullshit. But then I realized there’s no point.

That dude is more or less saying it is okay for the KKK to decide to meet, surround his house, burn their crosses in the street, hurl racial insults and even call for his family to “come on out N!&%$” and is it just fine and legal right up until they drag someone out and lynch them.

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Charles Johnson  Nov 16, 2016 • 5:32:06pm
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Charles Johnson  Nov 16, 2016 • 5:32:36pm
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Sherlock Hound  Nov 16, 2016 • 5:33:18pm

re: #313 ObserverArt

Because people who witness bullying are well-balanced individuals, and remain that way. Because Twitter is “just words”, just words that don’t have impact in the wider world. Because these ideas are not spread. Not at all.

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The Vicious Babushka  Nov 16, 2016 • 5:33:53pm

Ucccch

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Charles Johnson  Nov 16, 2016 • 5:35:05pm

re: #317 The Vicious Babushka

Ucccch

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They’ve been doing this for a while.

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allegro  Nov 16, 2016 • 5:35:45pm

re: #249 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

corker says under trump the kurds can have their way

Tell me I’m not the only one who read a pun here.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 16, 2016 • 5:36:19pm

re: #314 Charles Johnson

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“I expect and apology”? English not his first language? He can’t tell articles from conjunctions.

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Nov 16, 2016 • 5:36:46pm

re: #319 allegro

Tell me I’m not the only one who read a pun here.

finally! :-)

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Nov 16, 2016 • 5:37:10pm

re: #320 Blind Frog Belly White

“I expect and apology”? English not his first language? He can’t tell articles from conjunctions.

That’s the sort of thing that screams autocorrect to me. >.>

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 16, 2016 • 5:37:22pm

re: #321 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

finally! :-)

Hey, I updinged you. What more do you want from me?

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lockjawcanbefun  Nov 16, 2016 • 5:38:44pm

re: #317 The Vicious Babushka

At least they’re now distinguishing there’s no difference between Republicans and Stormfronters.

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Charles Johnson  Nov 16, 2016 • 5:39:02pm
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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Nov 16, 2016 • 5:39:04pm

re: #323 Blind Frog Belly White

Hey, I updinged you. What more do you want from me?

:-) :-)

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 16, 2016 • 5:41:14pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 16, 2016 • 5:42:00pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 16, 2016 • 5:43:53pm

My niece, who posts all these motivational things on FB, just posted

So I said, “Yeah, but when I found out he wasn’t real, I was CRUSHED! What if I believe in myself, and I turn out not to be real either?”

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Charles Johnson  Nov 16, 2016 • 5:44:51pm

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stpaulbear  Nov 16, 2016 • 5:44:53pm

Christ. Trevor Noah compares the US under Trump to South Africa under Jacob Zuma and realizes we may be in worse shape. This is painful.

The Daily Show - How South Africa Could Prepare the U.S. for President Trump

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 16, 2016 • 5:45:10pm

IIRC, this was one of VB’s faves and it’s still funny:

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 16, 2016 • 5:46:14pm

re: #330 Charles Johnson

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I wonder how quickly they’ll tire of backslapping and circlejerking, since there are no normal humans to swarm there?

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Charles Johnson  Nov 16, 2016 • 5:48:11pm
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Belafon  Nov 16, 2016 • 5:52:04pm

More importantly, we would not accept that stuff in public. We would shout it down, and have them thrown of businesses.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 16, 2016 • 5:55:33pm

“I still believe that we can make the impossible possible.” — HRC speaking at the Children’s Defense Fund

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b_sharp  Nov 16, 2016 • 5:57:37pm

re: #271 EPR-radar

I can’t think of a single reason for the electoral college to continue to exist.

However, getting rid of it by constitutional amendment or making it moot with the National Popular Vote Compact both seem to be impossible.

If the EC didn’t exist, small states like ND and SD would have little to no voting impact. I live in a small Canadian province where up until recently the population has been less than 1,000,000. Every election that doesn’t result in conservative parties being elected we have separatist groups clamoring for a new western country. Up here Ontario, Quebec, Alberta & to a lesser extent, BC control which federal party is in control.

Any province smaller than Manitoba has little input.

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retired cynic  Nov 16, 2016 • 5:58:43pm

re: #337 b_sharp

But a voter there should not have many times the power of a voter here in Illinois.

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Charles Johnson  Nov 16, 2016 • 5:59:06pm
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electrotek  Nov 16, 2016 • 5:59:30pm
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EPR-radar  Nov 16, 2016 • 6:01:45pm

re: #337 b_sharp

If the EC didn’t exist, small states like ND and SD would have little to no voting impact. I live in a small Canadian province where up until recently the population has been less than 1,000,000. Every election that doesn’t result in conservative parties being elected we have separatist groups clamoring for a new western country. Up here Ontario, Quebec, Alberta & to a lesser extent, BC control which federal party is in control.

Any province smaller than Manitoba has little input.

The interests of small states are protected in the Senate. For the presidential election, there is no apparent reason to deviate from all voters having equal effect, especially when the differences are so large (e.g., 7x between WY and CA).

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 16, 2016 • 6:01:51pm

re: #339 Charles Johnson

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Single-handed sailor  Nov 16, 2016 • 6:02:45pm

re: #327 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Now, every time I hear her mentioned this picture immediately flashes into my brain.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 16, 2016 • 6:05:08pm

“The divisions laid bare by this election run deep, but pls listen to me when I say this: America is worth it”

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Charles Johnson  Nov 16, 2016 • 6:05:25pm
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Donkey With No Name  Nov 16, 2016 • 6:07:17pm

re: #341 EPR-radar

The interests of small states are protected in the Senate. For the presidential election, there is no apparent reason to deviate from all voters having equal effect, especially when the differences are so large (e.g., 7x between WY and CA).

I do wonder about this 7x number. Does a voter in Wyoming have 7x more probability of influencing the outcome of the election? Obviously, this year, the marginal impact of an extra vote in Michigan or North Carolina, moderately-sized states both, was enormously more than an extra vote in Wyoming…

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retired cynic  Nov 16, 2016 • 6:07:39pm

re: #344 Backwoods_Sleuth

Boy, she looks exhausted. I wish her rest.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 16, 2016 • 6:09:46pm

re: #341 EPR-radar

The interests of small states are protected in the Senate. For the presidential election, there is no apparent reason to deviate from all voters having equal effect, especially when the differences are so large (e.g., 7x between WY and CA).

Indeed. Wyoming has about 60% as many people as San Francisco County, but they get TWO Senators, so one Senator per 292,000 people. California has 38.8 Million, so we get one Senator per 19,400,000 people, or 66 times our representation in the Senate.

Residents of the Big Empty States are overrepresented already. The EC exacerbates that.

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Charles Johnson  Nov 16, 2016 • 6:09:59pm
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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Nov 16, 2016 • 6:10:37pm

remember after 9/11 all of us clever inventive americans came up w all these ways that terrorists could really fuck with us? a bomb in the middle of a major bridge, a bomb at a big sporting event, biological warfare

never happened

this is what we are doing with trump. we are imagining he has almost already done all of the worst things we can imagine. no wonder there’s so much despair

he aint done em yet. stop what he tries to do. dont freeze in despair because you’ve already imagined how he can destroy american democracy not to mention human life on earth

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 16, 2016 • 6:13:32pm

re: #350 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

remember after 9/11 all of us clever inventive americans came up w all these ways that terrorists could really fuck with us? a bomb in the middle of a major bridge, a bomb at a big sporting event, biological warfare

never happened

this is what we are doing with trump. we are imagining he has almost already done all of the worst things we can imagine. no wonder there’s so much despair

he aint done em yet. stop what he tries to do. dont freeze in despair because you’ve already imagined how he can destroy american democracy not to mention human life on earth

Well, to be fair, there WAS a biological attack a month or so later that killed 5 people. And it’s not completely certain it was Bruce Ivins (though the evidence is pretty good).

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b_sharp  Nov 16, 2016 • 6:13:53pm

re: #338 retired cynic

But a voter there should not have many times the power of a voter here in Illinois.

Your choice. If you want Texas, California, and New York to decide who gets elected then dump the EC. You’ll just end up moving the problem.

353
EPR-radar  Nov 16, 2016 • 6:14:04pm

re: #346 Donkey With No Name

I do wonder about this 7x number. Does a voter in Wyoming have 7x more probability of influencing the outcome of the election? Obviously, this year, the marginal impact of an extra vote in Michigan or North Carolina, moderately-sized states both, was enormously more than an extra vote in Wyoming…

As I understand it, the 7x is just a straight calculation of how many people correspond to 1 EV in CA and to 1 EV in WY. I see it as a good illustration of how far the electoral college system deviates from having all votes be equally important.

The fact that only some states are in play each cycle is a further complicating factor.

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retired cynic  Nov 16, 2016 • 6:14:58pm

re: #352 b_sharp

Your choice. If you want Texas, California, and New York to decide who gets elected then dump the EC. You’ll just end up moving the problem.

Guess we’ll have to disagree there!

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 16, 2016 • 6:18:12pm

I’d also argue that in the absence of information, we were right to be worried in 2001, and to prepare for the worst.

With Trump, it’s not even IMAGINING what he might do. It’s a question of what he SAID he will do - round up and deport 11 Million people, shut down mosques, ban Muslim immigration, register Muslims, abandon any agreements on Climate Change and all regulations on carbon emissions.

With Al Qaeda, we were trying to imagine what they might do. Here, we’re left trying to figure out what, of all that he promised, he won’t try to do.

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Myron Falwell (no relation)  Nov 16, 2016 • 6:18:36pm

re: #349 Charles Johnson

[Embedded content]

Meathead Mike Cernovich, DICK-enson and Floor-Shitter Rage Furby clearly flunked normal human relations lessons, if they ever bothered to take the classes.

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allegro  Nov 16, 2016 • 6:18:55pm

re: #352 b_sharp

Your choice. If you want Texas, California, and New York to decide who gets elected then dump the EC. You’ll just end up moving the problem.

Some of us are looking for people to elect the president, not states. Every person has a single and equally important vote regardless of address.

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Romantic Heretic  Nov 16, 2016 • 6:19:01pm

re: #275 EPR-radar

Allowing such people to spread their ideology is encouraging them to start a fire in a theatre. Not just preventing them from shouting, “Fire!” in a theatre.

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Belafon  Nov 16, 2016 • 6:19:45pm

re: #350 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

remember after 9/11 all of us clever inventive americans came up w all these ways that terrorists could really fuck with us? a bomb in the middle of a major bridge, a bomb at a big sporting event, biological warfare

never happened

this is what we are doing with trump. we are imagining he has almost already done all of the worst things we can imagine. no wonder there’s so much despair

he aint done em yet. stop what he tries to do. dont freeze in despair because you’ve already imagined how he can destroy american democracy not to mention human life on earth

Agree. Do what you can, but also, as someone said the other day, take care of yourself or you won’t be able to fight the big fights.

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b_sharp  Nov 16, 2016 • 6:20:00pm

re: #354 retired cynic

Guess we’ll have to disagree there!

You guys have one system, we have a different one. Neither system is perfect.

361
Charles Johnson  Nov 16, 2016 • 6:20:53pm
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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Nov 16, 2016 • 6:21:09pm

re: #352 b_sharp

Your choice. If you want Texas, California, and New York to decide who gets elected then dump the EC. You’ll just end up moving the problem.

it wouldnt be texas, california, and new york

every voter in the united states would have exactly the same opportunity to cast the deciding vote for the candidate of their choice

it wouldnt make big states more powerful, just the opposite - the whole concept of ‘states’ would be completely removed from the issue

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Belafon  Nov 16, 2016 • 6:22:47pm

re: #362 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

it wouldnt be texas, california, and new york

every voter in the united states would have exactly the same opportunity to cast the deciding vote for the candidate of their choice

it wouldnt make big states more powerful, just the opposite - the whole concept of ‘states’ would be completely removed from the issue

It would make markets important.

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Donkey With No Name  Nov 16, 2016 • 6:22:50pm

re: #362 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

every voter in the united states would have exactly the same opportunity to cast the deciding vote for the candidate of their choice

it wouldnt make big states more powerful, just the opposite - the whole concept of ‘states’ would be completely removed from the issue

As I said, not the case unless every voter has the same opportunity to vote. And that will require federal control of the election.

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Nov 16, 2016 • 6:23:12pm

re: #355 Blind Frog Belly White

I’d also argue that in the absence of information, we were right to be worried in 2001, and to prepare for the worst.

With Trump, it’s not even IMAGINING what he might do. It’s a question of what he SAID he will do - round up and deport 11 Million people, shut down mosques, ban Muslim immigration, register Muslims, abandon any agreements on Climate Change and all regulations on carbon emissions.

With Al Qaeda, we were trying to imagine what they might do. Here, we’re left trying to figure out what, of all that he promised, he won’t try to do.

making a campaign promise is one thing

actually lifting a finger to make good on it by trying to get it made into law is another

and succeeding is yet another thing entirely

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 16, 2016 • 6:24:04pm

re: #353 EPR-radar

As I understand it, the 7x is just a straight calculation of how many people correspond to 1 EV in CA and to 1 EV in WY. I see it as a good illustration of how far the electoral college system deviates from having all votes be equally important.

The fact that only some states are in play each cycle is a further complicating factor.

First, I apparently overstated it at 7x.

It’s a straight calculation of eash state’s population divided by number of EVs. That gives you how many people each EV represents. For Wyoming, each EV represents 194,666 people. For California, its 705,454, so each Wyoming voter’s vote counts 3.6 times as much as mine in choosing the President.

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Charles Johnson  Nov 16, 2016 • 6:25:54pm
368
dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Nov 16, 2016 • 6:26:22pm

re: #364 Donkey With No Name

As I said, not the case unless every voter has the same opportunity to vote. And that will require federal control of the election.

i think you’re right, and i think that would be an excellent idea

personally i believe in universal compulsory voting, with ballots marked with the voters blood written on parchment, and one copy left with the authorities and another with the voter so that the tallies can be double checked

no, im not kidding

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Unshaken Defiance  Nov 16, 2016 • 6:26:52pm
370
Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 16, 2016 • 6:30:34pm

...

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FormerDirtDart  Nov 16, 2016 • 6:33:07pm
372
Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 16, 2016 • 6:33:26pm

re: #352 b_sharp

Your choice. If you want Texas, California, and New York to decide who gets elected then dump the EC. You’ll just end up moving the problem.

Those 3 states hold only 27% of the Voting Age Population, so I’m not sure what you mean.

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mmmirele  Nov 16, 2016 • 6:33:33pm

re: #304 The Vicious Babushka

I fucking ripped into a friend of mine on Facebook for posting that. I told her I did not give a flying fuck about Susan Sarandon, that Sarandon could leave the country whenever she wanted to, yet there are millions of Americans who are terrified by the presidential election. I got bullshit in return and one of her friends told me to “stop terrifying people.” I don’t have to do any terrifying.

Good God, but Berniebros and the rest, I just want to smack the everloving crap out of them.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 16, 2016 • 6:36:41pm

re: #372 Blind Frog Belly White

Those 3 states hold only 27% of the Voting Age Population, so I’m not sure what you mean.

Also, a little bit less than 40% of California voters chose Trump. 43% of Texas voters chose Clinton. 37% of New Yorkers chose Trump.

It’s not like these big states vote uniformly for one party, so, again - what are you talking about?

375
Charles Johnson  Nov 16, 2016 • 6:36:51pm
376
Myron Falwell (no relation)  Nov 16, 2016 • 6:40:05pm

re: #370 Backwoods_Sleuth

[Can’t find this tweet right now: twitter.com ]

ABC deleted this tweet, but not before I got a screenshot:


And here’s the reposted tweet:
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EPR-radar  Nov 16, 2016 • 6:40:55pm

re: #375 Charles Johnson

A white supremacist version of Gilligan’s Island won’t show up on Netflix. That would be pointless, since it’s already scheduled to start Jan 20, 2017 in real life. Ugh.

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Charles Johnson  Nov 16, 2016 • 6:42:04pm
379
Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 16, 2016 • 6:42:05pm
380
b_sharp  Nov 16, 2016 • 6:42:51pm

re: #372 Blind Frog Belly White

Those 3 states hold only 27% of the Voting Age Population, so I’m not sure what you mean.

That the bigger states will wield undue power to elect POTUS. It was just a guess that those 3 are among the biggest.

You’re taking my mentioning just 3 far too literally.

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Charles Johnson  Nov 16, 2016 • 6:43:29pm
382
The Vicious Babushka  Nov 16, 2016 • 6:43:59pm
383
The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Nov 16, 2016 • 6:44:21pm

re: #377 EPR-radar

A white supremacist version of Gilligan’s Island won’t show up on Netflix. That would be pointless, since it’s already scheduled to start Jan 20, 2017 in real life. Ugh.

I gotta charter a boat and rescue Mary Ann from those nuts….

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EPR-radar  Nov 16, 2016 • 6:44:27pm

re: #380 b_sharp

That the bigger states will wield undue power to elect POTUS. It was just a guess that those 3 are among the biggest.

You’re taking my mentioning just 3 far too literally.

Why is this a problem? Small states already have their representation in the Senate.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 16, 2016 • 6:46:45pm
386
Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 16, 2016 • 6:47:49pm
387
b_sharp  Nov 16, 2016 • 6:50:29pm

re: #384 EPR-radar

Why is this a problem? Small states already have their representation in the Senate.

Was my original comment difficult to understand?

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TedStriker  Nov 16, 2016 • 6:50:57pm

re: #376 Myron Falwell (no relation)

ABC deleted this tweet, but not before I got a screenshot:

[Embedded content]

Could just be me, but Flynn has more than a passing resemblance to General Sline from Spies Like Us

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wheat-dogg  Nov 16, 2016 • 6:51:11pm

Trump’s lack of political experience and self-control will result in some geopolitical crisis or another within his first year in office. He just disrespected PM Abe by failing to make definitive arrangements for a meeting. Telling Abe to wait is not the way to handle another state leader.

390
Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 16, 2016 • 6:51:17pm

oh….

391
Myron Falwell (no relation)  Nov 16, 2016 • 6:52:59pm

re: #385 Backwoods_Sleuth

[Embedded content]

But they’re only the greatest, most luxurious non-secure phone lines!
//

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b_sharp  Nov 16, 2016 • 6:53:05pm

re: #374 Blind Frog Belly White

Also, a little bit less than 40% of California voters chose Trump. 43% of Texas voters chose Clinton. 37% of New Yorkers chose Trump.

Should I have listed the following?
California
Texas
Florida
New York
Illinois
Pennsylvania
Ohio
Georgia
North Carolina

It’s not like these big states vote uniformly for one party, so, again - what are you talking about?

And that is different than other states how?

393
Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 16, 2016 • 6:53:45pm
394
Cheechako  Nov 16, 2016 • 6:57:18pm

The proportional distribution of Representatives in the House also effects the small population States. For example look at land use allocations. If the majority of the CA Representatives want to create a wilderness in Wyoming, it happens. No matter what the Wyoming Representative wants. This is just a part of the distrust the smaller populated states have against the more populated states.

Having been a resident of Wyoming and Alaska I have seen this happen many times. The larger states just steamroll legislation against what the smaller population states feel is their best interest.

You know….the “We’re a Big State and we know whats best for you little states”.

This is probably one of the reasons trump did so well in the states with fewer EV’s.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 16, 2016 • 6:58:36pm

A video of an encounter at a Starbucks near the University of Miami Wednesday afternoon showing a man screaming “Trump” (referring to President-elect Donald Trump) at an employee after he said it took too long for his order was gaining traction on Twitter.

Jorge de Cárdenas posted the video at about 5 p.m. with the message: “#trump supporter in #miami @Starbucks attacks & threatens patrons & staff bc coffee took too long, blames anti-white “discrimination.”

The nearly two-minute video starts with a man, dressed in a button-down shirt with a vest and jeans and carrying what appeared to be files, asking for his money back.

“You’re trash,” he said to the female cashier. “Cause I voted for Trump. Trump. You lost, now give me my money back. You’re garbage. You’re complete trash.”

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Nov 16, 2016 • 6:58:40pm

re: #394 Cheechako

The proportional distribution of Representatives in the House also effects the small population States. For example look at land use allocations. If the majority of the CA Representatives want to create a wilderness in Wyoming, it happens. No matter what the Wyoming Representative wants. This is just a part of the distrust the smaller populated states have against the more populated states.

Having been a resident of Wyoming and Alaska I have seen this happen many times. The larger states just steamroll legislation against what the smaller population states feel is their best interest.

You know….the “We’re a Big State and we know whats best for you little states”.

This is probably one of the reasons trump did so well in the states with fewer EV’s.

I’ll point out that, in theory, this is why we have the Senate.

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freetoken  Nov 16, 2016 • 6:58:57pm

re: #374 Blind Frog Belly White

Also, a little bit less than 40% of California voters chose Trump.

Below 33%. Where it will end up will be interesting, as the majority of unprocessed ballots are in Democratic leaning counties.

Trump is, in California, the least liked Republican candidate for President since, well, forever.

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wheat-dogg  Nov 16, 2016 • 6:59:47pm

re: #367 Charles Johnson

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399
TedStriker  Nov 16, 2016 • 7:01:49pm

re: #395 Backwoods_Sleuth

Sounds like somebody needed to get their ass beat…and I’m not talking about the barista.

400
freetoken  Nov 16, 2016 • 7:02:51pm

re: #382 The Vicious Babushka

Trump voters don’t care. Indeed, I gather many of them are vicariously venting their anger, at being lost in the 21st century, through Trump.

401
Myron Falwell (no relation)  Nov 16, 2016 • 7:04:03pm

re: #390 Backwoods_Sleuth

oh….

[Embedded content]

It almost sounds like a sorry attempt at grandstanding. What are the legitimate chances that such a bill could be passed in the Washington state government?

402
Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 16, 2016 • 7:04:12pm

Trump surrogates are already citing Japanese internment camps from WW II as “precedent” for Muslim registry

403
freetoken  Nov 16, 2016 • 7:05:00pm

re: #379 Backwoods_Sleuth

Floyd Mayweather… yet another WWE tie-in. Mayweather was a featured attraction in one of the Wrestlemanias.

404
bratwurst  Nov 16, 2016 • 7:09:27pm

Here you have a Trump fan on Fox citing Japanese internment camps as “precedent” for a Muslim registry.

Precedent!

405
Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 16, 2016 • 7:09:51pm
406
teleskiguy  Nov 16, 2016 • 7:13:44pm

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Nov 16, 2016 • 7:14:51pm

re: #406 teleskiguy

0l7k68bctNwr6/gmnsLH5d/Ut3vwKs9sHG9UpUT7RlLCLecDCNWtj+roC0gkj7lC5OH2fxr385o72kqm9EYVamNcktT58VwLUGZ5gqVSgtURzrNqSgLQXkLIhDy1AFne

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wheat-dogg  Nov 16, 2016 • 7:16:59pm

A tweet from a Chinese woman I follow.

She and two of her classmates at U Wisconsin started a YouTube account called Channel C a few years back. It dealt with the problems faced by international students, particularly Chinese, studying in the USA. Now that they’ve graduated, the Channel is updated less often, but they are all present on Twitter and elsewhere.

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BlueSpotinAL  Nov 16, 2016 • 7:17:56pm

re: #402 Backwoods_Sleuth

[Embedded content]

Great time to mention that, right before Abe is supposed to visit! Dumbasses.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Nov 16, 2016 • 7:18:42pm

re: #401 Myron Falwell (no relation)

It almost sounds like a sorry attempt at grandstanding. What are the legitimate chances that such a bill could be passed in the Washington state government?

Zero. Ferndale’s close to Lynden, that weird little Dutch Reformed enclave that I swear the town in Footloose was modeled after. He couldn’t even pass such a law in Whatcom County unless somebody nukes Bellingham.

411
Stanley Sea  Nov 16, 2016 • 7:21:04pm

Posting again. because.

412
calochortus  Nov 16, 2016 • 7:21:20pm

re: #406 teleskiguy

lY7eUR5r0hKejN/xfJsh9q4Y3e9Z+AQEh/Z9pU/OzDSDmf2KwbA8wmeQuVhBxhON7mfpHlVxpTado+vdgZJz8HiNHOX4XAdYbNuBBPfMW/vupTWuWbarQIZSvN1J5seIRzzPz91G/DHo3zxjq0DJtmWOJFUJu8uP

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Myron Falwell (no relation)  Nov 16, 2016 • 7:21:44pm

re: #410 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Zero. Ferndale’s close to Lynden, that weird little Dutch Reformed enclave that I swear the town in Footloose was modeled after. He couldn’t even pass such a law in Whatcom County unless somebody nukes Bellingham.

Great to hear! 😺

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mmmirele  Nov 16, 2016 • 7:22:59pm

re: #404 bratwurst

Here you have a Trump fan on Fox citing Japanese internment camps as “precedent” for a Muslim registry.

[Embedded content]

Precedent!

The precedent is Korematsu v. U.S. (1944), which has never been overturned.

en.wikipedia.org

It approved of the constitutionality of an executive order allowing internment. This should chill everyone’s heart.

I don’t know about anyone else, but when they have the Muslims signing up, I will be there too, signing up, even though I am of a different faith. This pisses me off so much.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Nov 16, 2016 • 7:24:39pm

re: #406 teleskiguy

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416
Stanley Sea  Nov 16, 2016 • 7:25:24pm

re: #347 retired cynic

Boy, she looks exhausted. I wish her rest.

She dgaf anymore on her “presentation”

Which is fine.

417
Sherlock Hound  Nov 16, 2016 • 7:37:19pm

re: #406 teleskiguy

{{{}}}

418
wheat-dogg  Nov 16, 2016 • 7:42:55pm

This is Mardini Ysra, the refugee who swam in the last Olympics. She did some kind of modeling photo shoot, and if you read the comments, she’s taking some flak from fellow Muslims upset with her modeling.

Instagram

📸 : @adriano.s.w

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baileylamb  Nov 16, 2016 • 7:45:04pm

re: #272 Charles Johnson
I can’t with that guy, and yet I know his train of thought is (sadly) not totally unheard of among African Americans.

A lot of ppl now days, seem to think they are more clever than their ancestors (with every thing). Sigh, my brother in law (African American as I am), voted for Trump. There’s a lot if wrong with a lot if ppl.

420
baileylamb  Nov 16, 2016 • 7:51:30pm

re: #297 Charles Johnson

He’s a victim of propaganda and doesn’t even know it…

421
baileylamb  Nov 16, 2016 • 8:02:54pm

re: #379 Backwoods_Sleuth

I just can’t even.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Nov 16, 2016 • 8:08:19pm

re: #421 baileylamb

I just can’t even.


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Tune-Yards - ABC 123 (Official Video) 'ABC 123' by Tune-Yards. New album 'I can feel you creep into my private life' is released January 19th 2018: smarturl.it Director: Dear Mr QuistgaardProducer: Abi Atkinson, LS ProductionsCommissioner: Gabe Spierer, Beggars GroupExec Producer: Saskia Whinney, SomesuchDOP: Deepa KeshvalaEditor: ...
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Funding Restrictions Have Made Gun Violence Researchers Get Creative A study published Thursday concludes that a subsequent increase in gun exposure led to more accidental firearm deaths than otherwise would have occurred in the months after the school shooting. "It was the spike [in sales] itself that sort ...
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Recycling Chaos in U.S. As China Bans ‘Foreign Waste’ Like many Portland residents, Satish and Arlene Palshikar are serious recyclers. Their house is coated with recycled bluish-white paint. They recycle their rainwater, compost their food waste and carefully separate the paper and plastic they toss out. But recently, ...
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Trump Jerusalem Move: Tear Gas at Lebanon US Embassy Protest There have been violent clashes near the US embassy in Lebanon, in the latest protest against President Donald Trump's decision to recognise Jerusalem as the capital of Israel. Security forces fired tear gas and water cannon to force back ...
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Trump Says He and Trudeau Disagree on Trade Deficit. U.S. Stats Seem to Be on the PM’s SideHair Furor just can't seem to catch a break these days....Despite Trump's insistence the U.S. has a trade deficit with Canada, statistics from the website of the office of the U.S. Trade Representative -- the office handling NAFTA negotiations -- ...
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Blondie - Doom or Destiny (Official Video)Blondie performing "Doom or Destiny" from the new album "Pollinator".Out Now: blondie.lnk.to Follow Blondiefacebook.cominstagram.com@BlondieOfficial vevo.ly
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Beth Hart & Joe Bonamassa - Black Coffee (Official Music Video) Official video for Black Coffee from the new Beth Hart & Joe Bonamassa album Black Coffee. Pre-order: smarturl.it BLACK COFFEE is available to pre-order on CD and vinyl. The limited CD box includes 2 coasters, a postcard and an ...
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Sparks - ‘This Town Ain’t Big Enough for Both of Us’ (Live at WFUV) wfuv.org • Follow @wfuv: ow.ly Sparks (allsparks.com) performs "This Town Ain't Big Enough For Both of Us" live in Studio A. Recorded 10.12.17. Host: Darren DeVivoAudio: Jim O'HaraCameras: Dan Tuozzoli, Kristal Ho, Monica Fafaul, Alexandra Brennan and Liz CarrEditor: ...
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