Trump surrogates are already citing Japanese internment camps from WW II as “precedent” for Muslim registry pic.twitter.com/DVnjtom0mc
— Brendan Karet (@bad_takes) November 17, 2016
“No no no, I’m not proposing internment camps for Muslims at all, Megyn! I’m just sayin’!”
From below - will this further offend Shinzo Abe?
Give him a chance guys! He hasn’t been in office yet! He may be a kick-ass President, you never know!
Alex Jones warned us about the FEMA Camps, little did I know that he was going to be the one building them.
I got dead-threaded.
This is extraordinarily scary, because the Supreme Court in 1944 approved of the executive order which allowed for Japanese internment. The case was Korematsu v. U.S.:
When I was in law school back in the 1980s, it was noted that Korematsu had never been overturned. Wikipedia says:
The Korematsu decision has not been explicitly overturned although in 2011, the Department of Justice filed an official notice[4] conceding that the then Solicitor General’s defense of the internment policy to be in error. However, the Court’s opinion remains significant both for being the first instance of the Supreme Court applying the strict scrutiny standard to racial discrimination by the government and for being one of only a handful of cases in which the Court held that the government met that standard.
And it is this “strict scrutiny” and approval of the actions by the Court under “strict scrutiny” which makes this scary.
Seriously, folks, Trump could go into office and issue an executive order and he could probably get a majority of the Court to go along with it. We . are . so . fucked.
Fuckers. I’d like to see them try and register anyone to separate them into groups. I’ll register as whatever group is being targeted. I can be a Muslim, a Jew, an African-American, a Latina, an LGBT person. I am everyone.
re: #2 BlueSpotinAL
From below - will this further offend Shinzo Abe?
It’s not something a Japanese leader would wear on their sleeves.
The only way it would ever be raised if it was advantageous in a Japanese election.
I look forward to George Takei’s reaction to this.
sigh
i remember when it was common for nominees to be disqualified because they had hired illegal nannies
re: #6 Sionainn, the Nasty Devilbitch
Fuckers. I’d like to see them try and register anyone to separate them into groups. I’ll register as whatever group is being targeted. I can be a Muslim, a Jew, an African-American, a Latina, an LGBT person. I am everyone.
I think I’ll staying away from that Ancestry DNA test kit for a bit…..
Folks, these are trying and just plain awful times for a lot of people. I mentioned to a friend that we are all “grieving” in our own way.
On one hand, I truly wish to be tolerant of that. On the other hand, it is hard to ignore that the Pages here have become a magnet for dubious ideas about the way forward.
As tolerant and open as I wish to be, just please please promise me that nobody else is going to suggest that listening to Glenn Beck is going to be part of the process of turning things around.
Thanks in advance.
we can always suggest that obama pack the supreme court before he leaves
This is why a very nice Muslim family that lived in my apartment building for years packed up and left last Sunday. They told me they were leaving for Canada while they were still free people. They said if they stayed Trump would round them up and put them in concentration camps.
THIS IS NOT THE COUNTRY I GREW UP IN!
re: #7 freetoken
It’s not something a Japanese leader would wear on their sleeves.
The only way it would ever be raised if it was advantageous in a Japanese election.
Abe would need to downplay it; Japan’s version of “alt-right” will explode over it.
re: #8 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge
I look forward to George Takei’s reaction to this.
My heart breaks that we’re at the point where he needs to offer one.
re: #14 Barefoot Grin
Abe would need to downplay it; Japan’s version of “alt-right” will explode over it.
Yeah, they are disgustingly anti-Korean and anti-Chinese. Not to mention they downplay their wartime role and engage in a persecution narrative.
O/T I mostly just lurk here, mainly cause I feel I must start reading from where I left off last. With a limited time at night to read, by the time I catch up it’s time to go to bed. Anyway. I’m heading off tomorrow to the middle of nowhere, the rain forest in Costa Rica, where wifi can go from so-so to nil in a manner of minutes. Though a news junkie, the thought of having no wifi for a week, an entire week, fills me with joy. I’ve been so depressed since the election that I am hoping this will be a good reset for me to get back joining protests, donating when I can and speaking out when it needs to be said. I will look forward to coming back and reading your informative & thought provoking posts in a better frame of mind.
re: #15 klys (maker of Silmarils)
My heart breaks that we’re at the point where he needs to offer one.
And I’ll add, last Christmas I talked my parents into getting tickets to see Allegiance on Broadway for the whole family.
a) He was amazing.
b) It was not a comfortable show, in that it very much forces you to look at what was done to our fellow human beings.
c) It should not have been nearly as relevant as it was then (this was after some of trump’s initial remarks) and it’s only gotten more so.
re: #15 klys (maker of Silmarils)
My heart breaks that we’re at the point where he needs to offer one.
On the other hand, since we still have people living who were, in fact, incarcerated in the camps, I suspect that this is not actually likely to be seriously proposed.
If it is, then fine, we can all register and wear our natty green crescents, or whatever. There is just so much stuff coming out from friends, relatives, hangers on, wanna be types, etc. that I think we need to take a deep breath here.
re: #18 klys (maker of Silmarils)
And I’ll add, last Christmas I talked my parents into getting tickets to see Allegiance on Broadway for the whole family.
a) He was amazing.
b) It was not a comfortable show, in that it very much forces you to look at what was done to our fellow human beings.
c) It should not have been nearly as relevant as it was then (this was after some of trump’s initial remarks) and it’s only gotten more so.
You will recall that George invited Donald to any performance. He never took him up on it.
These people are insane. Trump isn’t even in office yet, and his surrogates are making me sick.
Meanwhile, I will attempt to restore my own sanity by drawing a flower so that I can embroider it.
I’ve been making noises about doing more embroidery, and I think I’ll try to make good on that. I don’t draw all that well, despite attempts to learn, but this is for no one’s enjoyment but my own, so who cares?
re: #17 ninja cat
Have a good trip! I want to visit Costa Rice sometime, too.
I just want to note that Hillary Clinton is the first U.S. Presidential Candidate to say “I’m Sorry” in a presidential concession speech.
re: #11 bratwurst
As tolerant and open as I wish to be, just please please promise me that nobody else is going to suggest that listening to Glenn Beck is going to be part of the process of turning things around.
Thanks in advance.
New data revealed, by the way…
re: #24 S’latch
I just want to note that Hillary Clinton is the first U.S. Presidential Candidate to say “I’m Sorry” in a presidential concession speech.
Probably because she’s a woman, and we’re conditioned to apologize for everything.
only half /
8 years making shit up about FEMA camps, and now the first thing they want to do is set up actual prison camps
Fuck every single one of them
re: #16 electrotek
Yeah, they are disgustingly anti-Korean and anti-Chinese. Not to mention they downplay their wartime role and engage in a persecution narrative.
I recently watched an NHK video about newly discovered photos by a propaganda outfit to promote the Greater East Asian Co-Prosperity Sphere. NHK is, compared to PBS or BBC, very conservative. But because it openly discussed the photos as propaganda and not actual representations of Chinese, Burmese, Indonesian, Filipino delight in their liberation from the white oppressors by Japanese hands, the comments were filled with “NHK are white appeasers”; and “white people will spit on you,” etc.
I understand that it’s the same “comment section” problem as around the world, but the worry is that it will gain traction. Abe is no sentimentalist. He just wants to use US power to his advantage for now (TPP, bases). But he is connected to less circumspect ultra-nationalists like Ishihara Shintaro. I love Japan, but I’ve never held any illusions about these folks.
First the Republicans came for the Muslims. And what did Americans do?
Then the Republicans came for “illegal Latinos” And what did Americans do?
Then Republicans came for the gays and lesbians. And what did Americans do?
Then Republicans came for the Jews. And what did Americans do?
Then Republicans gutted Social Security and Medicare. And what did Americans do?
Then Republicans came for Mormons. And what did Americans do?
Then Republicans came for non-Fundamentalist Christians. And what did Americans do?
Then Republicans reinstated Jim Crow. And what did Americans do?
Then Republicans destroyed labor unions. And what did Americans do?
Then Republicans came for Catholics. And what did Americans do?
Then they came for you. And you realized that too late they would come for you…
re: #27 Kragar
8 years making shit up about FEMA camps, and now the first thing they want to do is set up actual prison camps
Fuck every single one of them
And watch Alex Jones gloat when Trump makes him the director of those camps!
Didn’t batshit loony Michelle Malkin write a book justifying internment after 9/11?
These people are crazy.
re: #17 ninja cat
O/T I mostly just lurk here, mainly cause I feel I must start reading from where I left off last. With a limited time at night to read, by the time I catch up it’s time to go to bed. Anyway. I’m heading off tomorrow to the middle of nowhere, the rain forest in Costa Rica, where wifi can go from so-so to nil in a manner of minutes. Though a news junkie, the thought of having no wifi for a week, an entire week, fills me with joy. I’ve been so depressed since the election that I am hoping this will be a good reset for me to get back joining protests, donating when I can and speaking out when it needs to be said. I will look forward to coming back and reading your informative & thought provoking posts in a better frame of mind.
Safe and fun travels Ninja. XXOO.
re: #31 Lidane
Didn’t batshit loony Michelle Malkin write a book justifying internment after 9/11?
These people are crazy.
Why she sure did. I wonder what that shrew will do when the Trumpettes come for her!
re: #31 Lidane
Didn’t batshit loony Michelle Malkin write a book justifying internment after 9/11?
These people are crazy.
That’s why it’s a daunting task for me to look up the answer… I want to preserve my remaining brain cells.
I still can’t believe that Malkin went to Oberlin College, of all places.
re: #33 Joe Bacon
Why she sure did. I wonder what that shrew will do when the Trumpettes come for her!
She’ll ask for a job running one of the camps. She’s a raving lunatic.
re: #6 Sionainn, the Nasty Devilbitch
I am everyone.
Oh I like that concept. Little bit more Swiss Army Knife than “safety pin”.
re: #35 Lidane
She’ll ask for a job running one of the camps. She’s a raving lunatic.
And I’m sure she’ll get to run whichever one she wants.
re: #17 ninja cat
Godspeed, travel well.
We all could use a laugh, amirite?!?
5 Times Neil DeGrasse Tyson Threatened Someone With Halley’s Comet https://t.co/kajTvR4ic5 pic.twitter.com/lNctBiVZsy
— ClickHole (@ClickHole) November 17, 2016
re: #36 Unshaken Defiance
Oh I like that concept. Little bit more Swiss Army Knife than “safety pin”.
Is there a Swiss Army Knife emoji somewhere?
re: #5 mmmirele
Not if we resist. If they try this, I’ll be on the fucking streets.
re: #37 Joe Bacon
And I’m sure she’ll get to run whichever one she wants.
… and eventually sell it off to Salem Communications, who seems to buy practically every other bats—t website she’s started (I do remember she took credit for Breitbart’s relaunch as a hatemonger cesspool when Andrew died).
re: #41 GlutenFreeJesus
Not if we resist. If they try this, I’ll be on the fucking streets.
This is where their cockiness failed them. They couldn’t wait until the inauguration and had to crow about it to Fox “News,” thus giving us all advance notice.
re: #8 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge
I look forward to George Takei’s reaction to this.
From what I’ve seen of Takei’s facebook postings, he’s going to run out of “Oh My”s before Trump is even president.
re: #43 Myron Falwell (no relation)
This is where their cockiness failed them. They couldn’t wait until the inauguration and had to crow about it to Fox “News,” thus giving us all advance notice.
Hell. We’ve known since Trump’s first campaign speech during the primaries.
re: #41 GlutenFreeJesus
Not if we resist. If they try this, I’ll be on the fucking streets.
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‘This is our moment’: Trump’s win emboldens activist behind effort to ‘make rape legal’ https://t.co/hk686lzih8
— Kragar (@Kragar_LGF) November 17, 2016
re: #47 Kragar
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This is a story that I desperately wanted to have an Onion byline.
As it is, fuck all these MRAs. JFC.
re: #47 Kragar
I can’t look. Please don’t tell me about it.
re: #28 Barefoot Grin
I recently watched an NHK video about newly discovered photos by a propaganda outfit to promote the Greater East Asian Co-Prosperity Sphere. NHK is, compared to PBS or BBC, very conservative. But because it openly discussed the photos as propaganda and not actual representations of Chinese, Burmese, Indonesian, Filipino delight in their liberation from the white oppressors by Japanese hands, the comments were filled with “NHK are white appeasers”; and “white people will spit on you,” etc.
I understand that it’s the same “comment section” problem as around the world, but the worry is that it will gain traction. Abe is no sentimentalist. He just wants to use US power to his advantage for now (TPP, bases). But he is connected to less circumspect ultra-nationalists like Ishihara Shintaro. I love Japan, but I’ve never held any illusions about these folks.
Agreed. I’m as pro-Japan as they come, especially when it comes to Russian occupation of Kuril Islands and Sakhalin (Japanese would do a better job than the Russians anyways).
But I would not whitewash their past just because I love the country.
And don’t forget people like Tomomi Inada either!
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re: #26 klys (maker of Silmarils)
Probably because she’s a woman, and we’re conditioned to apologize for everything.
only half /
And I’m hoping her inner voice was saying, “Sorry (not sorry)”
re: #53 teleskiguy
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re: #53 teleskiguy
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re: #53 teleskiguy
Wish I was local to be by your side homie. I’m right there with you :(
We hang together and nobody can ever hang us separately. :-)
re: #36 Unshaken Defiance
Oh I like that concept. Little bit more Swiss Army Knife than “safety pin”.
Its what I have been saying since the election…
So after a week I’ve learned that the only people you absolutely cannot blame for Donald Trump are the people who voted for him.
— Roy Edroso (@edroso) November 17, 2016
re: #34 Myron Falwell (no relation)
That’s why it’s a daunting task for me to look up the answer… I want to preserve my remaining brain cells.
I still can’t believe that Malkin went to Oberlin College, of all places.
Oberlin? Damn. Never knew that.
If anyone says that no one rioted or attacked anybody after Obama won the first time, they should look at this article from that same year
Cross burnings. Schoolchildren chanting “Assassinate Obama.” Black figures hung from nooses. Racial epithets scrawled on homes and cars.
Incidents around the country referring to President-elect Barack Obama are dampening the postelection glow of racial progress and harmony, highlighting the stubborn racism that remains in America.From California to Maine, police have documented a range of alleged crimes, from vandalism and vague threats to at least one physical attack. Insults and taunts have been delivered by adults, college students and second-graders.
There have been “hundreds” of incidents since the election, many more than usual, said Mark Potok, director of the Intelligence Project at the Southern Poverty Law Center, which monitors hate crimes.One was in Snellville, Ga., where Denene Millner said a boy on the school bus told her 9-year-old daughter the day after the election: “I hope Obama gets assassinated.” That night, someone trashed her sister-in-law’s front lawn, mangled the Obama lawn signs and left two pizza boxes filled with human feces outside the front door, Millner said.
She described her emotions as a combination of anger and fear.
re: #29 Joe Bacon
First the Republicans came for the Muslims. And what did Americans do?
Then the Republicans came for “illegal Latinos” And what did Americans do?
Then Republicans came for the gays and lesbians. And what did Americans do?
Then Republicans came for the Jews. And what did Americans do?
Then Republicans gutted Social Security and Medicare. And what did Americans do?
Then Republicans came for Mormons. And what did Americans do?
Then Republicans came for non-Fundamentalist Christians. And what did Americans do?
Then Republicans reinstated Jim Crow. And what did Americans do?
Then Republicans destroyed labor unions. And what did Americans do?
Then Republicans came for Catholics. And what did Americans do?
Then they came for you. And you realized that too late they would come for you…
Tom Paxton’s liner notes for “We Didn’t Know” in 1965.
“Begun in the London subway on the way to a Trafalgar Square peace march, this song is a reflection of my preoccupation with fascism and what makes it tick, particularly in some quarters here in America. The traditional German cop-out is all too easy to spot. With the soldiers it was obedience to orders; with the civilians it was variations on a theme of ‘I was never a Nazi’ and ‘We had no idea of what was going on.’
In Mississippi we have families who ‘know nothing’ of lynchings, beatings and murders. In any case, there is ‘nothing they can do to stop it.’
Even our establishment press has published pictures of South Vietnamese troops ‘interrogating’ a captured Viet Cong with the help of the water torture, beating them and dispatching them with .45’s.
Tell me you support the government’s policy if you like, but don’t try to tell me you didn’t know what was going on.”
When are we ever going to learn and be better? Right now I feel as defeated as I ever have before in my life, because it feels even more hateful (and more stupid) than ever before.
re: #28 Barefoot Grin
I recently watched an NHK video about newly discovered photos by a propaganda outfit to promote the Greater East Asian Co-Prosperity Sphere. NHK is, compared to PBS or BBC, very conservative. But because it openly discussed the photos as propaganda and not actual representations of Chinese, Burmese, Indonesian, Filipino delight in their liberation from the white oppressors by Japanese hands, the comments were filled with “NHK are white appeasers”; and “white people will spit on you,” etc.
I understand that it’s the same “comment section” problem as around the world, but the worry is that it will gain traction. Abe is no sentimentalist. He just wants to use US power to his advantage for now (TPP, bases). But he is connected to less circumspect ultra-nationalists like Ishihara Shintaro. I love Japan, but I’ve never held any illusions about these folks.
Can you link me to that video? I’m curious to watch it when I have free time.
New York City may erase ID card data to protect immigrants from Trump’s deportation plans https://t.co/iPv7O7SN3q pic.twitter.com/pOTabtDrGx
— Chicago Tribune (@chicagotribune) November 16, 2016
Cernovich sounding like Rage Furby.
Trump’s new National Security Advisor Flynn has tweeted at Cernovich over a dozen times and recommended his book Gorilla Mindset pic.twitter.com/nyL3VJBWu4
— Emmet O’Neal (@emmetoneal) November 17, 2016
Hate to brag, but I’m widely read and highly influential. Imagine who reads me in *private* and never says. Deal with it. https://t.co/pdSjcZaoSu
— Mike Cernovich 🇺🇸 (@Cernovich) November 17, 2016
re: #62 William Lewis
Its what I have been saying since the election…
Your White Rose meme was a revelation to me. Had not heard of that movement. It is called for again. Never before in my life have I had calm law abiding friends speak so angrily. Gotta redirect their energy just a little bit. Just keep it within the law.
Saw CL retweeted this
The State Department confirms that, like the Pentagon, it has not heard from anyone on Donald Trump’s team https://t.co/55zjaN6PUc
— NYT Politics (@nytpolitics) November 17, 2016
re: #65 retired cynic
Nature vs. Nurture?
Now I iz all confused. Maybe Oberlin is no longer the school I thought and they are nurturing…the wrong kind of people.
Just found this when I was doing a search on Oberlin, as I am familiar with the Ohio college but wanted to review something about it when it was mentioned by Myron in #34. I do believe this was already covered here at LGF…but I didn’t know it was Oberlin. As soon as I went to this link and saw her picture I remembered hearing about this case.
Oberlin College has dismissed Joy Karega, an assistant professor of rhetoric and composition, following an investigation into anti-Semitic and anti-Israel statements she made on social media — including her assertion that ISIS is really an arm of Israeli and U.S. intelligence agencies and that Israel was behind the Charlie Hebdo massacre in Paris.
The college initially affirmed Karega’s right to academic freedom when her inflammatory statements surfaced earlier this year, but placed her on leave in August, pending an investigation into her conduct. Beyond concerns about anti-Semitism, which fit into larger complaints about escalating anti-Jewish rhetoric on campus, Karega’s case has raised questions about whether academic freedom covers statements that have no basis in fact.
Oberlin’s Board of Trustees ultimately voted to dismiss Karega for “failing to meet the academic standards that Oberlin requires of its faculty and failing to demonstrate intellectual honesty,” the college said in a statement released late Tuesday. The vote followed “extensive consideration and a comprehensive review of recommendations from multiple faculty committees,” and from President Marvin Krislov.
Karega’s dismissal is effective immediately. Karega said via email on Wednesday morning that she intends to “challenge the college’s decision and assault on my substantive rights through all the avenues I have available to me.” She said that her Facebook posts were taken out of their original contexts and “grossly misrepresented” for political purposes.
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re: #64 ObserverArt
Oberlin? Damn. Never knew that.
Bachelor’s of Arts in English, 1992.
…and later described her alma mater as “radically left-wing.”
re: #74 Myron Falwell (no relation)
Bachelor’s of Arts in English, 1992.
…and later described her alma mater as “radically left-wing.”
So I imagine you are well aware of the assistant professor being dismissed too…as covered in #73 just above.
re: #74 Myron Falwell (no relation)
Bachelor’s of Arts in English, 1992.
…and later described her alma mater as “radically left-wing.”
She was a cheerleader there, IIRC.
re: #72 Unshaken Defiance
Saw CL retweeted this
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It is a shitshow.
I saw a fucking wikileak of Podesta’s email where they had plans. PLANS on how to talk to the foreign govts.
I’m not OK yet.
I went to Walmart to buy all of my staples. I smiled & talked to every person I saw. Mostly Latino. My dog this country.
Heard Lawrence O’Donnell this evening and he is saying it is being reported General Flynn is going to be National Security Adviser. Ugh. But, with this crazy process who knows, so we wait to see if this nut with questionable connections is going to be a fox in the chicken coup?
re: #66 electrotek
And the tea party protests…
re: #75 ObserverArt
So I imagine you are well aware of the assistant professor being dismissed too…as covered in #73 just above.
Most of the local attention over the past few days has been focused on protests at this Oberlin store.
To their credit, the Elyria Chronicle Telegram does have a story on this professor. But this is the first I’ve read in depth about it, honestly.
The monsters are no longer just due on Maple Street—they’ve arrived:
Andrew Provost, a Natick, Massachusetts resident posted on his Facebook over the weekend that he had received racist letters in his mailbox, apparently because Provost has Latino and black friends.
Provost wrote that he received the letters over the course of three days and that they “apparently” came from one of his neighbors on Maple street.
re: #76 wheat-dogg
She was a cheerleader there, IIRC.
Which is hilarious because Oberlin College is not known at all for their athletics department. (Their mascot is the Yeoman, for crying out loud.)
@Gus_802 Saw that in a nightmare that ended well pic.twitter.com/aQ7poU9t4H
— Manksy (@TheManksy) November 17, 2016
trump on how the muslim registry would be different from the jewish registry in Nazi Germany (@nytimes) pic.twitter.com/1XQxtKZSoY
— ADAM ROSE (@RealAdamRose) November 16, 2016
re: #71 Unshaken Defiance
I hope to have my resistance pamphlet draft done tomorrow. I would like you to look at it then.
re: #85 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸
trumpball is calvinball
Calvinball is too coherent and structured for the Trumpenfuhrer.
Woo Hoo!!
Hey @MLB I thought I was the only person allowed to fuck @JustinVerlander ?! What 2 writers didn’t have him on their ballot?
— Kate Upton (@KateUpton) November 16, 2016
We’re being taken over by shitstain meathead males who think of women as notches on a bed frame and unworthy if you’re “ugly.” Great.
— Charlie Vogel (@teleskiguy) November 17, 2016
re: #86 William Lewis
I hope to have my resistance pamphlet draft done tomorrow. I would like you to look at it then.
Honored and my pleasure to do so.
re: #87 William Lewis
Calvinball is too coherent and structured for the Trumpenfuhrer.
Trump is definitely a member of the Get Rid Of Slimy girlS club.
re: #84 Stanley Sea
Worth noting that is from last November.
OMG—Not only is Nikki Haley being talked about as SoS (her accounting background will really come in handy) another South Carolina loser, Henry McMaster, says he’s being considered as Attorney General (that makes how many names that have been floated for that post?)
Not to worry, though, the yam says everything’s going smoothly and only he knows the “finalists” in Apprentice 2.0, Celebrity Government.
We. Are. So. Fucked.
re: #92 klys (maker of Silmarils)
Worth noting that is from last November.
Sigh, thanks.
Nothing mattered then, nothing matters now.
re: #93 BeachDem
And yet another one—
Florida Governor Rick Scott, who has been rumored to be under consideration for secretary of health and human services, will meet with Trump on Thursday, the governor’s office said.
That’ll put him up close and personal for Medicaid fraud—that is, if Medicaid even survives.
re: #94 Stanley Sea
Sigh, thanks.
Nothing mattered then, nothing matters now.
It does matter, but I’ll agree on the sigh.
National Geographic awards an Adventurer of the Year prize each year. After reading about my favorite, the Nepali trail runner Mira Rai, I started reading about the nine other contenders.
Ashima Shiraishi is 15 years old and may become the world’s best boulderer and rock climber, male or female. She started climbing at age 6, when she saw some guys climbing Rat Rock in Central Park.
Our local diver might prefer cave diver Krzysztof Starnawski, who has found the world’s deepest underwater cave.
How about kite-skiing in Greenland for teleskiguy?
I read about these people and I’m reminded that the world is not just about politics and hate, but about wonders and challenges. I’m not much of a runner, climber, diver or skier, but I can be inspired by what others can do.
Charles Pierce’s description of The Hill:
The Hill, an old-school Capitol Hill tipsheet that seems to have repurposed itself as a kind of sewage treatment plant for stuff that isn’t good enough to appear on Breitbart.
esquire.com
Onward to class! My adventure of the moment. BBL
CatWoman!!
Julie Newmar pic.twitter.com/slL99qxex9
— OnThisDay & Facts (@NotableHistory) November 17, 2016
Waiting for Winter like… pic.twitter.com/D17i6YLg0i
— SNOCRU (@SNOCRU) November 17, 2016
re: #101 Dave In Austin
CatWoman!!
Oh my. I recall that back in the late sixties or early seventies Ms. Newmar was working on some tv show in Tucson that my dad was moonlighting as an extra on, and the cast and crew went out for drinks and darts after wrapping the shoot, and my tipsy pop came home bragging about hanging out with the sweet and sexy Julie Newmar and boy did my usually shy and demure mom go ballistic on the old man that night. My sister Mary and I were laughing about that memory just the other day.
Damn near everything I thought I knew was right is wrong.
— Charlie Vogel (@teleskiguy) November 17, 2016
re: #69 Kragar
The fact that even CONSIDERING something like this is a serious thing in 2016 is extremely sobering.
Sigh… NPR news. Not really any better than the typical for-profit media companies, I’ve concluded.
Here’s one of their headlines this evening:
USGS Announces Its Largest Oil And Gas Discovery Ever In The States
Sounds big… a discovery of oil!
The U.S. Geological Survey says it has found the largest continuous oil and gas deposit ever discovered in the United States.
But it’s not really a discovery at all. The existence of the location and material of the carbon resource has been known. It’s not something which has just been “found”.
What the USGS did was release an assessment of what can be produced, from a region in west Texas.
USGS Estimates 20 Billion Barrels of Oil in Texas’ Wolfcamp Shale Formation
This is the largest estimate of continuous oil that USGS has ever assessed in the United States.
The Wolfcamp shale in the Midland Basin portion of Texas’ Permian Basin province contains an estimated mean of 20 billion barrels of oil, 16 trillion cubic feet of associated natural gas, and 1.6 billion barrels of natural gas liquids, according to an assessment by the U.S. Geological Survey. This estimate is for continuous (unconventional) oil, and consists of undiscovered, technically recoverable resources.
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Note how the USGS uses the phrase “continuous oil”. That is important:
continuous oil accumulation - A “continuous” or “unconventional” oil accumulation means that the oil resource is dispersed throughout a geologic formation rather than existing as discrete, localized occurrences, such as those in conventional accumulations. Unconventional resources often require special technical drilling and recovery methods.
Also notice the USGS uses the phrase “undiscovered”, whilst the NPR headline says “discovered”.
undiscovered - Resources postulated, on the basis of geologic knowledge and theory, to exist outside of known fields or accumulations. Included also are resources from undiscovered pools within known fields to the extent that they occur within separate plays.
As the USGS notes, they are the only ones who make this kind of analysis public. By which they mean the companies already exploring this deposit do not. Which is the point of the USGS making it public.
NPR is just lazy in that they won’t go to the USGS lexicon and figure out what USGS is really saying.
Back to the NPR story:
The company Pioneer Natural Resources, which has drilling rights for 785,000 acres in the Wolfcamp area, says on its website that it shut down its vertical drilling operation there in 2015, in favor of developing more horizontal drilling into the Wolfcamp shale.
So why did Pioneer do that? Because the cheaper vertical drilling can not produce enough. More expensive techniques are needed.
The estimate of 20 billion barrels assumes additional advances in extraction technology.
There’s so much woo when it comes to “oil”. “Oil” is one of those magick words that is incanted in Americana. To many Americans oil = magically means to become wealthy.
At the end of the NPR story they throw in one paragraph about global warming. This after the whole story is about how wonderful this oil discovery is. In essence, NPR has taken the Trump line.
re: #106 Eclectic Cyborg
The fact that even CONSIDERING something like this is a serious thing in 2016 is extremely sobering.
I’d better re-read my copy of IBM and the Holocaust. I recommend that the rest of us lizards track down that book. I consider it mandatory reading for anyone in IT.
miamiherald.com
Has this been posted yet? (Think it was)
If I see this shit where I’m at, I dont care how big of badass the offender is, I will make a stand and make it known it is NOT acceptable. And if that means I might get my ass kicked, I dont care.
Reminds me of a scene in Casino is the way I see dealing with these people.
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re: #110 Sherlock Hound
I’d better re-read my copy of IBM and the Holocaust. I recommend that the rest of us lizards track down that book. I consider it mandatory reading for anyone in IT.
Lying to an immoral regime is an act of good. Especially when it FUBARs the data they need.
.@ClickHole has collated @neiltyson’s numerous Halley’s Comet Twitter threats. https://t.co/yYx2ogckW5 pic.twitter.com/VvyvLS1xvU
— Charlie Vogel (@teleskiguy) November 17, 2016
Charles, can pdf files be uploaded to lgf like our images and memes? My guess is no but i thought I’d check just in case.
Failing that, what is a good free host these days?
do you seriously believe we can befriend those who are racist, or excuse racism for their own betterment. evil is evil. @SusanSarandon
— Kate Montgomery (@Kate4Love) November 15, 2016
No, never excuse hatred, but how do you move forward in a climate of hate when you only expect the worst of an entire group of people? https://t.co/fdu1PuPwlP
— Susan Sarandon (@SusanSarandon) November 16, 2016
Now after your condoning of an abject racist created real world harm you seek to legitimize & find common ground w/ his bigoted supporters.
— Franksgiving (@goddamnedfrank) November 17, 2016
‘Useless’ = may one day have juristiction to throw my murderous ass in gaol.
Need a cigarette.
Philippines’ Duterte says may follow Russia’s withdrawal from ‘useless’ ICC https://t.co/9P3SWbfQik
— Reuters Top News (@Reuters) November 17, 2016
Lewandowski says Comey informed him 2 days before sending first letter. Proof of overt FBI collusion w/ Team Trump. https://t.co/KJRLfyJb3h pic.twitter.com/MihQKiikrt
— Franksgiving (@goddamnedfrank) November 17, 2016
Sorry folks, we live in a banana republic now.
Plus, the political establishment here is yukking it up about how the PM used golfer, Greg Norman’s contact with Trump in order to congratulate him before other, more consequential world leaders. Just gross.
Fuck this shit.
re: #118 goddamnedfrank
… so there was literally zero legitimate reason for Comey to be calling up Corey & giving him a heads up about potential future FBI actions.
— Franksgiving (@goddamnedfrank) November 17, 2016
James Comey literally conspired with the Trump Campaign to time his baseless renewed email investigation letter to inflict maximum damage.
— Franksgiving (@goddamnedfrank) November 17, 2016
re: #120 goddamnedfrank
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Yep, all too true; we now live in a banana republic.
A cheap, tawdry, gold-plated banana republic.
what scares me the most right now is that apparently the only thing keeping them from killing medicare is a senate filibuster, and they may even get rid of the filibuster before they vote on medicare repeal
your kids will have to buy their own health insurance on the regular market when they retire
re: #113 teleskiguy
I’m afraid I’m a bit leery of him after this tweet:
People who are anti-Trump are actually anti-Trump supporters — they oppose free citizens voting for the @realDonaldTrump.
— Neil deGrasse Tyson (@neiltyson) March 13, 2016
re: #117 Alyosha
‘Useless’ = may one day have juristiction to throw my murderous ass in gaol.
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That’s why neither US, nor Israel participate.
re: #118 goddamnedfrank
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Sorry folks, we live in a banana republic now.
Obama needs to appoint a special prosecutor while he still can to investigate Comey for Hatch Act violations and obstruction of justice.
I am sure that the Registry will not be based on religion per se, but be for people of any religion from a list of “countries with connections to terrorism”, which will be, naturally, predominantly Muslim.
That will be their end run around Separation of Church and State.
They really know how to toss out red herrings to get people throwing fits and distract them from their intentions.
We were too busy being upset about DT’s racism and misogyny to concentrate on the key point here: the man is utterly incompetent and unprepared for the job ahead of him, I fear that his incompetence is going to do more damage than any of his policies will do.
re: #68 electrotek
Can you link me to that video? I’m curious to watch it when I have free time.
Sorry, I went to bed last night before reading through. Here it is:
re: #101 Dave In Austin
Before she was Catwoman (briefly), Ms Newmar was the co-star of a fairly forgettable TV series with Bob Cummings. She played an android — a tall android. (She’s 5’11”.)
“no no, I’m not proposing a Nuremberg tribunal for right wing radio at all, Megyn! I’m just sayin’ that Streicher is a precedent!”
Idiot.
re: #118 goddamnedfrank
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So for those keeping score, we now know that the FBI, Russia, and Wikileaks were coordinating with the Trump campaign to keep hammering the Hillary with negative news in order to hamper her campaign. Again providing evidence that the things Trump accuses his critics of are so often the things he’s guilty of.
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re: #130 Targetpractice
So for those keeping score, we now know that the FBI, Russia, and Wikileaks were coordinating with the Trump campaign to keep hammering the Hillary with negative news in order to hamper her campaign. Again providing evidence that the things Trump accuses his critics of are so often the things he’s guilty of.
And yet, Hillary won the popular vote. It was the electoral votes that were her undoing.
2. Turns out paperwork is hard, so the transition team is cutting the worry by not filling out their security clearance forms. Smart!
— Linda Tirado (@KillerMartinis) November 17, 2016
4. A potential Cabinet pick is actually super-down with the Muslim list. Wants them to carry special cards. This isn’t meant to worry us.
— Linda Tirado (@KillerMartinis) November 17, 2016
Just heard on NPR that Trump is scheduled to meet with Abe Shinzo in NYC today (or tomorrow?). State Department has had no contact with Trump camp, no requests for information as is SOP.
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re: #134 Barefoot Grin
Just heard on NPR that Trump is scheduled to meet with Abe Shinzo in NYC today (or tomorrow?). State Department has had no contact with Trump camp, no requests for information as is SOP.
“I cut out the middleman! I don’t need those bureaucrats!”
On last night’s South Park, President-elect Garrison got plastic surgery and hair plugs to give him tiny hands, asshole mouth and golden ducktail. He still has Garrison’s voice.
@shannoncoulter do you know if Target is on the boycott list?
— Laura Siegmund (@aclsiegmund) November 17, 2016
.@Target is 100% free of Donald and Ivanka Trump’s fashion & home collections and has been since boycott began on October 11th. https://t.co/6OypZZyJuy
— Shannon Coulter (@shannoncoulter) November 17, 2016
re: #6 Sionainn, the Nasty Devilbitch
Fuckers. I’d like to see them try and register anyone to separate them into groups. I’ll register as whatever group is being targeted. I can be a Muslim, a Jew, an African-American, a Latina, an LGBT person. I am everyone.
Same.
re: #134 Barefoot Grin
Just heard on NPR that Trump is scheduled to meet with Abe Shinzo in NYC today (or tomorrow?). State Department has had no contact with Trump camp, no requests for information as is SOP.
Yet another example of Trump’s incompetence or his deliberate subversion of the normal chains of command. If the Republicans don’t want a major clusterfuck of disastrous proportions, someone is going to have control Trump somehow. He’s going to get some foreign government pissed off big time.
re: #140 wheat-dogg
Yet another example of Trump’s incompetence or his deliberate subversion of the normal chains of command. If the Republicans don’t want a major clusterfuck of disastrous proportions, someone is going to have control Trump somehow. He’s going to get some foreign government pissed off big time.
Of course, later in the day they will say “that’s not true at all; we called State but no one was answering!”
re: #140 wheat-dogg
He’s going to get some foreign government pissed off big time.
This is going to get someone killed.
re: #143 Colère Tueur de Lapin
This is going to get someone killed.
Lots of someones. Usually measured in squads, platoons, companies…
re: #144 William Lewis
Lots of someones. Usually measured in squads, platoons, companies…
I wasn’t actually going there, but that’s a very good point. His cavalier attitude towards protocol is dangerous from both a diplomatic POV and a personnel security POV.
re: #141 Barefoot Grin
Of course, later in the day they will say “that’s not true at all; we called State but no one was answering!”
Trump is acting like a CEO who’s already in charge, not waiting for the current CEO’s contract to expire. So, he assumes he doesn’t need to clear his activities with anyone in the office (so to speak). That works OK for the Trump Org, but government can’t work that way — unless Trump wants to be dictator. That’s certainly his frame of mind, and what his followers want.
re: #146 wheat-dogg
Trump is acting like a CEO who’s already in charge, not waiting for the current CEO’s contract to expire. So, he assumes he doesn’t need to clear his activities with anyone in the office (so to speak). That works OK for the Trump Org, but government can’t work that way — unless Trump wants to be dictator. That’s certainly his frame of mind, and what his followers want.
His followers want him to be their “God Emperor”
Are there any checks in place in the actual Constitution to prevent the POTUS from becoming a tyrant?
Obama has things to say in the Economist:
re: #145 Colère Tueur de Lapin
I wasn’t actually going there, but that’s a very good point. His cavalier attitude towards protocol is dangerous from both a diplomatic POV and a personnel security POV.
He’s meeting with Abe, who has very frosty relations with China now over the islands in the East China Sea. Trump is enough of an idiot to make some promise to Abe to help defend the islands from Chinese encroachment, which China is not going to sit still for.
That particular scenario makes me, as an American working in China, especially nervous.
NEW: The pretending must stop. Trump IS a fascist, Giuliani IS a political whore, deportation IS concentration camps pic.twitter.com/LyngLmNfBd
— Keith Olbermann (@KeithOlbermann) November 17, 2016
re: #144 William Lewis
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re: #148 The Vicious Babushka
Are there any checks in place in the actual Constitution to prevent the POTUS from becoming a tyrant?
Congress. SCOTUS. Restrictions on executive orders. But a serious terrorist attack — or even a small one — could convince Trump to demand emergency war powers, and then we’re fucked bad. Congress and SCOTUS are so evenly matched between potential yeas and nays that both could allow him to take control of the government.
I’m trying not to consider that possibility too much, or I’d never get to sleep at night.
re: #153 wheat-dogg
Congress. SCOTUS. Restrictions on executive orders. But a serious terrorist attack — or even a small one — could convince Trump to demand emergency war powers, and then we’re fucked bad. Congress and SCOTUS are so evenly matched between potential yeas and nays that both could allow him to take control of the government.
I’m trying not to consider that possibility too much, or I’d never get to sleep at night.
Could Obama assume emergency powers if it is determined that Trump & his minions present a clear and present danger? The Russian connections, the financial fuckups, the incompetence, etc?
re: #152 Decatur Deb
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re: #154 The Vicious Babushka
Could Obama assume emergency powers if it is determined that Trump & his minions present a clear and present danger? The Russian connections, the financial fuckups, the incompetence, etc?
Obama can assume emergency powers but his term would still end on January 20th. There is no legal remedy for that.
re: #153 wheat-dogg
Congress. SCOTUS. Restrictions on executive orders. But a serious terrorist attack — or even a small one — could convince Trump to demand emergency war powers, and then we’re fucked bad. Congress and SCOTUS are so evenly matched between potential yeas and nays that both could allow him to take control of the government.
I’m trying not to consider that possibility too much, or I’d never get to sleep at night.
And Congress has the power in the Constitution to suspend the writ of habeas corpus.
And if you’re waiting on the Supreme Court to fix a problem you might end up waiting 3 years in an internment camp like Mitsuye Endo.
The organizers of the change.org petition to the electors to vote their conscience now have a website, electoralcollegepetition.com
The principal organizer, who posted the petition as Elias Berg, has also revealed his real name, Daniel Brezenoff.
The petition now has more than 4.3 million signatures.
I’m unconvinced the Electoral College will choose Clinton, given Republican tendencies to choose party over country. It’s definitely a Hail Mary at this point, and it would throw the country into turmoil, as Trumpistas and militias are sure to take up arms to defend their God Emperor. It”s a bit like the old story about choosing to enter a cage with a tiger or one with a lion. Either way, it’s gonna be bad.
Russia is now blocking LinkedIn, because there is a new law requiring social media companies to house their data on Russian users on servers physically located in Russia. LinkedIn has as yet not complied.
“We are starting to hear from members in Russia that they can no longer access LinkedIn.” Russia blocks LinkedIn https://t.co/EFYP5U9Z7s 🔓
— Wall Street Journal (@WSJ) November 17, 2016
Incidentally, this tactic is the latest by nation states like Russia to subvert privacy and security measures on social media platforms.
Meanwhile, Trump is making it easy for foreign spy agencies to listen to his phone convos with foreign leaders.
This seems to confirm, incidentally, that Trump is doing diplomatic talks over non-secure phone lines.
— Matthew Yglesias (@mattyglesias) November 17, 2016
There is no WHCA set-up in Trump Tower and no temporary SCIF (yet), so it’s a reasonable assumption that everything he says is in the clear. https://t.co/G6ODcIe0es
— Marc Ambinder (@marcambinder) November 17, 2016
— The Cult Cat (@Elverojaguar) November 17, 2016
re: #150 wheat-dogg
He’s meeting with Abe, who has very frosty relations with China now over the islands in the East China Sea. Trump is enough of an idiot to make some promise to Abe to help defend the islands from Chinese encroachment, which China is not going to sit still for.
That particular scenario makes me, as an American working in China, especially nervous.
Accidental war with China is a real possibility. We need cool heads all around.
re: #159 wheat-dogg
Russia is now blocking LinkedIn, because there is a new law requiring social media companies to house their data on Russian users on servers physically located in Russia. LinkedIn has as yet not complied.
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Incidentally, this tactic is the latest by nation states like Russia to subvert privacy and security measures on social media platforms.
Wonder how Mr. Snowden is taking this….
re: #162 Barefoot Grin
Accidental war with China is a real possibility. We need cool heads all around.
TBH, China and Japan don’t really want to go to war over those islands. Despite their frosty relations, they are trade partners with substantial economic ties. But Trump could upset the apple cart by promising Japan the US Navy will defend the islands (for a fee, no doubt). I’m not sure how China would respond in such a case.
re: #163 Barefoot Grin
Wonder how Mr. Snowden is taking this….
Whatever his thoughts, he’s keeping them to himself for his own safety.
re: #164 wheat-dogg
TBH, China and Japan don’t really want to go to war over those islands. Despite their frosty relations, they are trade partners with substantial economic ties. But Trump could upset the apple cart by promising Japan the US Navy will defend the islands (for a fee, no doubt). I’m not sure how China would respond in such a case.
Or things could get really crazy by him encouraging South Korea or Japan to develop nuclear weapons.
re: #166 Timothy Watson
Or things could get really crazy by him encouraging South Korea or Japan to develop nuclear weapons.
That would piss off Kim, who is just itching for a fight with somebody. Not even China can keep him under control.
re: #167 wheat-dogg
That would piss off Kim, who is just itching for a fight with somebody. Not even China can keep him under control.
Has Kim called Orange Emperor Elect to offer his congratulations? You know that he would be BFFs with Kim.
re: #163 Barefoot Grin
Wonder how Mr. Snowden is taking this….
I probably shouldn’t be callous, but Mr. Ed helped land us in this situation.
re: #164 wheat-dogg
TBH, China and Japan don’t really want to go to war over those islands. Despite their frosty relations, they are trade partners with substantial economic ties. But Trump could upset the apple cart by promising Japan the US Navy will defend the islands (for a fee, no doubt). I’m not sure how China would respond in such a case.
I think we are obligated to by our treaty alliance with Japan. Not sure how that would be finessed if Japan attacked China, but if it’s the other way around we’re screwed.
If “We are so fucked” means anything other than “I’m trying to figure out what I can do to prevent this,” I would ask that you stop using the phrase.
re: #31 Lidane
As a person suffering from a severe mental illness it is my belief that they are evil rather than mentally ill.
That EC flip that some people are hoping for? Not gonna happen.
Michigan Electoral College voters cite threats over Trump vote. https://t.co/QdyZqy1dQD pic.twitter.com/Dv9ZLGm5ia
— The Detroit News (@detroitnews) November 17, 2016
re: #41 GlutenFreeJesus
Pro tip: Round dinner dishes placed upside down on a road bear a fair resemblance to antitank mines.
Morning!
I don’t know if this has been mentioned, need to catch up but…check this out. It’s starting. From Pence’s home state the fundies are getting active. I bet this is intended to get to the Supreme Court as a challenge to Roe v. Wade. Get some new Supreme Court Justices and everything changes.
How long before those White Women who went Trump have voters remorse.
Birth Control will be tested too. Men’s Rights!
I’m sick now…
Indy Star - Total abortion ban proposed in Indiana
An Indiana lawmaker plans to introduce a bill that would outlaw and criminalize all forms of abortion in Indiana.
State Rep. Curt Nisly said Wednesday he will file so-called “Protection at Conception” legislation when the General Assembly convenes in January.
Under his proposal, all abortions would be a crime and prosecutors could file charges against those who participate in the procedure.
“You would treat the death of an unborn child like you would any other human being,” the Goshen Republican said.
The measure would almost certainly be ruled unconstitutional. The U.S. Supreme Court’s 1973 ruling in Roe v. Wade and subsequent decisions have effectively established a woman’s right to an abortion before viability of the fetus.
“My position is that the Supreme Court is wrong with Roe v. Wade,” Nisly said, “and they don’t have jurisdiction in this manner. This is the state of Indiana asserting the powers that are given to them, specifically in the 9th and 10th Amendments of the U.S. Constitution.”
In situations in which a high-risk pregnancy endangers a woman’s life, he said the proposal would demand that a doctor try to save both mother and child.
“The idea here is always, always try to save the baby,” Nisly said.
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re: #174 The Vicious Babushka
That EC flip that some people are hoping for? Not gonna happen.
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The 22 year-old pictured above is what you’d expect from a typical GOP college student d-bag. F— him.
re: #174 The Vicious Babushka
That EC flip that some people are hoping for? Not gonna happen.
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Threats aside, those Republican electors were probably chosen by party loyalty.
People are thinking that R electors are a group of level-headed, somber people. Chances are better than good that they’re as deplorable as the rabble who voted for Trump.
re: #177 ObserverArt
This is exactly what I warned about. That states would pursue multiple measures, all with the intent of eventually overturning Roe.
re: #174 The Vicious Babushka
That EC flip that some people are hoping for? Not gonna happen.
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I would not be surprised that Trumpistas are threatening electors with mayhem if they instead vote for Hillary. Were I in that position, I admit I would have to think long and hard about the consequences of switching my vote, which would include some deep discussions with my family and loved ones.
re: #180 lawhawk
This is exactly what I warned about. That states would pursue multiple measures, all with the intent of eventually overturning Roe.
Ayep. What they see is that, by the time this law gets to SCOTUS’ doorstep, Pence will have succeeded in seating at least one wingnut justice and thus give them a 50/50 shot of overturning RvW.
re: #181 wheat-dogg
I would not be surprised that Trumpistas are threatening electors with mayhem if they instead vote for Hillary. Were I in that position, I admit I would have to think long and hard about the consequences of switching my vote, which would include some deep discussions with my family and loved ones.
Do you think these claims by GOP electors of threats from Hillary supporters are actually projections (as we have seen throughout this campaign) of threats coming from the opposite side?
re: #176 Tigger2
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And I’m old enough to remember when we thought Sasse was “sane.”
On the short list for Department of Homeland Security:
Infant dies in Trump-loving sheriff’s jail after guard laughs off inmate’s plea for help: lawsuit https://t.co/Nm3FXLSQOQ pic.twitter.com/X1vtdyAM5p
— Raw Story (@RawStory) November 17, 2016
re: #186 The Vicious Babushka
On the short list for Department of Homeland Security:
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Clarke is despicable.
Korematsu is the Supreme Court ruling that enabled the internment of Japanese Americans during WWII. It was never overturned.
— lawhawk (@lawhawk) November 17, 2016
Take the legal extremists who are looking to exploit Korematsu to go and impose a Muslim registry and combine it with the same extremists who are looking to overturn Roe and thereby outlaw abortion (except for the rich folks who can afford to do it on the down-low) and you’ve got an unprecedented assault on civil and human rights.
This is what the just concluded election was about. I warned people about this. They didn’t care enough to get out and vote. Millions of people decided that their rights weren’t infringed, or didn’t think that their vote would matter, or that Trump wouldn’t carry out his agenda - which included overturning Roe and imposing bans on Muslims entering the US and/or a Muslim registry.
Yup. This is what was always at stake, and people did nothing - or worse, they voted for Trump on BS reasons, including the bogus email controversy, stolen emails hacked by Russians and released by wikileaks (and I still see some claiming that these were released by whistleblowers - when that clearly isn’t the case).
Clinton was undone by any number of reasons, but the net effect is we’re watching Trump put in place the most bigoted, corrupt and extreme administration in our nation’s history. And that’s the keys to the government, the courts, and they’re about to throw out decades of civil rights progress because the right wing extremists are intent on restoring the primacy of angry white guys (who happen to be rich), while everyone else will suffer from the consequences of rolling back these rights, access to health insurance, and all the other safety net programs that the GOP has marked for death and dismemberment.
re: #183 The Vicious Babushka
Do you think these claims by GOP electors of threats from Hillary supporters are actually projections (as we have seen throughout this campaign) of threats coming from the opposite side?
I confess I didn’t read the article before posting. I assumed it was Trump supporters threatening electors, not Clinton supporters. Either way, threatening electors is inexcusable no matter who is doing it. Trying to reason with them would be a more useful tactic.
re: #183 The Vicious Babushka
Do you think these claims by GOP electors of threats from Hillary supporters are actually projections (as we have seen throughout this campaign) of threats coming from the opposite side?
That was my immediate takeaway. I mean, look at the following paragraph again:
The Detroit News verified one message containing a death wish and another containing a death threat, in which the person told Banerian he would “put a bullet” in his mouth. Banerian said he deleted the rest of the emails and messages “because as you can imagine they’re clogging up my email.”
re: #190 wheat-dogg
I confess I didn’t read the article before posting. I assumed it was Trump supporters threatening electors, not Clinton supporters. Either way, threatening electors is inexcusable no matter who is doing it. Trying to reason with them would be a more useful tactic.
Agree. Reason.
re: #191 Myron Falwell (no relation)
That was my immediate takeaway. I mean, look at the following paragraph again:
The Detroit News verified one message containing a death wish and another containing a death threat, in which the person told Banerian he would “put a bullet” in his mouth. Banerian said he deleted the rest of the emails and messages “because as you can imagine they’re clogging up my email.”
If they were serious threats why would he delete them and not report them to law enforcement?
re: #174 The Vicious Babushka
“You have people saying ‘you’re a hateful bigot, I hope you die,’ ” he said. “I’ve had people talk about shoving a gun in my mouth and blowing my brains out. And I’ve received dozens and dozens of those emails. Even the non-threatening-my-life emails are very aggressive.”
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But don’t you dare call these people deplorable.
EVERYTHING IS A DISASTER!!
JUST IN: Jobless claims in the U.S. decline to the lowest level in 4 decades https://t.co/X9Nd9I5Sr4 pic.twitter.com/pl9M7Uybmf
— Bloomberg (@business) November 17, 2016
re: #194 Eclectic Cyborg
“You have people saying ‘you’re a hateful bigot, I hope you die,’ ” he said. “I’ve had people talk about shoving a gun in my mouth and blowing my brains out. And I’ve received dozens and dozens of those emails. Even the non-threatening-my-life emails are very aggressive.”
——————————-But don’t you dare call these people deplorable.
That is a Trump supporter claiming he received these messages from Democrats.
re: #194 Eclectic Cyborg
“You have people saying ‘you’re a hateful bigot, I hope you die,’ ” he said. “I’ve had people talk about shoving a gun in my mouth and blowing my brains out. And I’ve received dozens and dozens of those emails. Even the non-threatening-my-life emails are very aggressive.”
——————————-But don’t you dare call these people deplorable.
You’re misreading. This guy is a Republican elector. That said, I condemn any threats but have to wonder why not present them to the police than to delete them?
re: #198 HappyWarrior
But economic anxiety.//
Trump supporters are so “anxious” about the economy, which is why they can’t be racists!
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re: #200 Targetpractice
Trump supporters are so “anxious” about the economy, which is why they can’t be racists!
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They’re anxious all right, they’re anxious that others may get the same benefits they do. Too many even many Democrats won’t say that.
re: #177 ObserverArt
“The idea here is always, always try to save the baby,” Nisly said.
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“But after they’re born, fuck ‘em.”
I see that Susan Sarandon wants us to understand Teump supporters. Did she even attempt to understand Clinton’s?
re: #9 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸
sigh
i remember when it was common for nominees to be disqualified because they had hired illegal nannies
Those were very simple times, weren’t they?
re: #199 Belafon
So what do we know about the race in Louisiana?
I must confess I don’t know much but I don’t feel any optimism about that one.
re: #195 The Vicious Babushka
EVERYTHING IS A DISASTER!!
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re: #195 The Vicious Babushka
Trump and the RWNJ media convinced Middle America that the American economy was going to hell in a handbasket, despite there being no evidence it was. No breadlines. No soup kitchens. No astronomical inflation. Stock market doing well. Bond markets, too. Home sales up. Unemployment low. Stores have plenty of food and stuff. In short, anyone with half a brain (or knowledge of the Great Depression) would have known a failing economy was a complete lie.
Maybe their local economy was in the dumpster, and that’s why they voted for Trump, but he’s not going to fix that problem at all.
re: #196 The Vicious Babushka
That is a Trump supporter claiming he received these messages from Democrats.
Oh I thought it was the GOP supporters threatening to go after him if he switched his vote.
re: #197 HappyWarrior
You’re misreading. This guy is a Republican elector. That said, I condemn any threats but have to wonder why not present them to the police than to delete them?
Because he’s lying. His story is inconsistent with the other Elector who did not report any death threats and the article itself indicates he’s prone to embellishment in order to bolster his side.
re: #202 Eclectic Cyborg
“The idea here is always, always try to save the baby,” Nisly said.
—-“But after they’re born, fuck ‘em.”
What makes you say that? Just because the United States is ranked between Serbia and Croatia in infant mortality?
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As a person suffering from a severe mental illness it is my belief that they are evil rather than mentally ill.
I concur. People that are severely mentally ill are mostly just a danger to themselves. These people are assholes.
re: #209 Weaselone
Because he’s lying. His story is inconsistent with the other Elector who did not report any death threats and the article itself indicates he’s prone to embellishment in order to bolster his side.
I would subscribe to that yes.
re: #203 HappyWarrior
I see that Susan Sarandon wants us to understand Teump supporters. Did she even attempt to understand Clinton’s?
AFAIC, Sarandon and others like her are asking us to normalize Trump and the people who voted for him. I’m not buying it. The people who voted for Trump, for whateve reason, have committed a grave error and they need to be held accountable for their choice. All the troubles the USA will face under Trump will be their fault, and I intend to remind them of it whenever troubles arise. You did this. Own it. Now try to fix it.
re: #213 wheat-dogg
AFAIC, Sarandon and others like her are asking us to normalize Trump and the people who voted for him. I’m not buying it. The people who voted for Trump, for whateve reason, have committed a grave error and they need to be held accountable for their choice. All the troubles the USA will face under Trump will be their fault, and I intend to remind them of it whenever troubles arise. You did this. Own it. Now try to fix it.
I will, however grudgingly, accept Trump as our legally elected President.
Even though Trump was a major spokesperson for a movement that did not recognize Obama’s legitimacy…
re: #210 Timothy Watson
All joking aside, I was talking with a friend last night and I said if these people were really pro-life they should focus on making adoptions less expensive and easier to complete.
My wife and I have struggled with infertility for years and we would LOVE to adopt but there’s no way we’ll be able to afford to anytime soon.
re: #214 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))
I will, however grudgingly, accept Trump as our legally elected President.
Even though Trump was a major spokesperson for a movement that did not recognize Obama’s legitimacy…
He is legimately elected, that’s what disturbs me the most.
re: #214 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))
I will, however grudgingly, accept Trump as our legally elected President.
Even though Trump was a major spokesperson for a movement that did not recognize Obama’s legitimacy…
Ditto. There’s no point in denying he will be the president, barring some miracle. We can’t ourselves try to subvert the electoral process even as he tries to subvert 240 years of normal governmental operations.
re: #213 wheat-dogg
AFAIC, Sarandon and others like her are asking us to normalize Trump and the people who voted for him. I’m not buying it. The people who voted for Trump, for whateve reason, have committed a grave error and they need to be held accountable for their choice. All the troubles the USA will face under Trump will be their fault, and I intend to remind them of it whenever troubles arise. You did this. Own it. Now try to fix it.
We’re all going to have to fix it but I’m sick of being told to understand people who never ever show anything close of that word for us. They just hate liberals and operate as much.
This popped up in my timehop today. Want to know how Trump won? Shit like this is why.
From last year:
re: #215 Eclectic Cyborg
All joking aside, I was talking with a friend last night and I said if these people were really pro-life they should focus on making adoptions less expensive and easier to complete.
My wife and I have struggled with infertility for years and we would LOVE to adopt but there’s no way we’ll be able to afford to anytime soon.
Spot on. Ditto immigration, make legal immigration easier if you’re so bothered by illegals.
re: #154 The Vicious Babushka
Could Obama assume emergency powers if it is determined that Trump & his minions present a clear and present danger? The Russian connections, the financial fuckups, the incompetence, etc?
I suppose its theoretically possible. The whole country would explode though, you’d have agents and army units refusing orders EVEN IF they were legal (see the NYC FBI office…), Trump partisans would be going nuts, violently.
Then smaller governments like states would fracture on similar fault lines…CA going with Obama…but their State Police fight the CA State…and then within that governments like cities fracture further, Austin TX going with Obama, but the city PD fights the city, that’s fighting the state that’s fighting the Feds that are fighting themselves…
And that’s not even counting the lone wolves and militias that would come out of the woodwork.
I think a peaceful, but totally fucked up transfer of power to President Cheeto Shitgibbon is a better choice.
re: #218 HappyWarrior
We’re all going to have to fix it but I’m sick of being told to understand people who never ever show anything close of that word for us. They just hate liberals and operate as much.
They hate the liberals as depicted by the media they watch and read. I’m not sure if they’ve ever met a real liberal in the flesh, or if they had, if they’d even recognize one. For example, a veteran who’s also a Democrat, or a farmer who’s an environmentalist. I understand such people exist.
re: #217 wheat-dogg
Ditto. There’s no point in denying he will be the president, barring some miracle. We can’t ourselves try to subvert the electoral process even as he tries to subvert 240 years of normal governmental operations.
Te media are big on focusing on anti-Trump demonstrations because it helps to promote the narrative that all Trump opponents are whiny, spoiled, oversensitive brats who need to be taught a lesson.
re: #223 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))
Te media are big on focusing on anti-Trump demonstrations because it helps to promote the narrative that all Trump opponents are whiny, spoiled, oversensitive brats who need to be taught a lesson.
In the future, those same protesters may be seen as heroes, assuming no one manages to rewrite history to make the protests disappear.
Time for bed for me, yo. Maintain course and direction, people.
re: #221 Jayleia
I suppose its theoretically possible. The whole country would explode though, you’d have agents and army units refusing orders EVEN IF they were legal (see the NYC FBI office…), Trump partisans would be going nuts, violently.
Then smaller governments like states would fracture on similar fault lines…CA going with Obama…but their State Police fight the CA State…and then within that governments like cities fracture further, Austin TX going with Obama, but the city PD fights the city, that’s fighting the state that’s fighting the Feds that are fighting themselves…
And that’s not even counting the lone wolves and militias that would come out of the woodwork.
I think a peaceful, but totally fucked up transfer of power to President Cheeto Shitgibbon is a better choice.
Yep. I don’t want Trump as president, but he’s been elected.
If Obama tried to do anything, there would be a civil war. If the electoral college went funny in this day and age, there would be a civil war. And in neither case would people learn how much they fucked up by either not voting or voting for Trump.
I am going to contribute as much as I can to stopping Trump and the Republicans. But people are just going to have to see it. And, to tell you the truth, the only way we’re going to reverse state trends toward Republican governance is to give them a chance to govern. Maybe Kansas will start realizing it’s Republican’s fault.
re: #207 wheat-dogg
Trump and the RWNJ media convinced Middle America that the American economy was going to hell in a handbasket, despite there being no evidence it was. No breadlines. No soup kitchens. No astronomical inflation. Stock market doing well. Bond markets, too. Home sales up. Unemployment low. Stores have plenty of food and stuff. In short, anyone with half a brain (or knowledge of the Great Depression) would have known a failing economy was a complete lie.
Maybe their local economy was in the dumpster, and that’s why they voted for Trump, but he’s not going to fix that problem at all.
And wages were finally starting to go up, in part because of the movement to raise minimum wages, and to push companies to raise wages in lieu of pushing profits to shareholders and the company’s highest levels.
re: #227 lawhawk
And wages were finally starting to go up, in part because of the movement to raise minimum wages, and to push companies to raise wages in lieu of pushing profits to shareholders and the company’s highest levels.
Wages are going to go down under Trump. Only CEOs and upper management are going to see any benefits. But try to get those voters to understand that.
OK, bed time
re: #228 wheat-dogg
Wages are going to go down under Trump. Only CEOs and upper management are going to see any benefits. But try to get those voters to understand that.
OK, bed time
well, that will be the fault of lazy minorities and (((bankers))), not Trump
re: #226 Belafon
I think Kansas is starting to wake up. Sure, they kept the Governor around the last time, but I believe the opposition did make some gains in the state legislature. It just seems like it is a slow, painful process and I don’t want to subject the entire nation to the decades it would take for a sufficient number of people to get a clue.
re: #228 wheat-dogg
Wages are going to go down under Trump. Only CEOs and upper management are going to see any benefits. But try to get those voters to understand that.
OK, bed time
What will happen is that Trump’s tax bill will reduce the spending of the poor and middle class, thus reducing over all spending. Which will put us in a recession.
re: #230 Weaselone
I think Kansas is starting to wake up. Sure, they kept the Governor around the last time, but I believe the opposition did make some gains in the state legislature. It just seems like it is a slow, painful process and I don’t want to subject the entire nation to the decades it would take for a sufficient number of people to get a clue.
I don’t either, but a number of people are not able to figure some things out on their own, and they don’t give a shit about others. The resident wacko here at work told another colleague that he thinks they dodged a bullet not electing Clinton. I’m saving that for when Trump decides we need to invade Iran.
re: #202 Eclectic Cyborg
“The idea here is always, always try to save the baby,” Nisly said.
—-“But after they’re born, fuck ‘em.”
Quoth Carlin: “If you’re pre-born, you’re fine, if you’re pre-school, you’re fuuuucked.”
Let’s try that again:
Owning Our Shit
I’m about to piss y’all off. I might even lose some friends because of this. If you’re too much of a (grab ‘em by the) pussy to handle it or tired of angry rants, maybe you should stop reading now because I’m going in on all of us. It’s been a week since the election and I’ve had some time to weep, rage, drink a bottle of wine, gather my thoughts, eat lots of carbs, weep again and drink two more bottles of wine, but still I have not yet been able to come to peace with the worst thing that has happened to this country since they made a standalone movie for Catwoman. But maybe bitching to you, my friends, my fellow progressives, may help bring some solace and help us understand where we went wrong so we can come together and kumbaya or whatever.
I’ve got one major thing to say to you. HILLARY CLINTON DID NOT FAIL US, WE FAILED HILLARY CLINTON.
(For some reason, Facebook privacy settings were causing problems.)
re: #231 Belafon
What will happen is that Trump’s tax bill will reduce the spending of the poor and middle class, thus reducing over all spending. Which will put us in a recession.
which will be Obama’s fault for wrecking the economy with ACA
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So, voters concerned with Hillary’s emails and “investigations”, voted for the man who is going to trial and 1/
— StillWithHer (@JetScoozr77) November 17, 2016
is talking to foreign leaders on an unsecured line. Just want to say: YOU. ARE. DUMB. AS. FUCK. 2
— StillWithHer (@JetScoozr77) November 17, 2016
re: #241 Jenner7
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re: #195 The Vicious Babushka
EVERYTHING IS A DISASTER!!
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But those are the wrong kind of jobs. REAL JOBS are coal jobs without any safety regulations!
re: #240 Jenner7
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And that is why I would never be president. My answer to the question of “How are you going to help me?” would be “Here’s the 20 page proposal I have written for just your town” when it obviously needs to be “I’m gonna make your town great.”
At the same time, we have to figure out a way to bridge that gap. And we’ll have to bridge that gap while preventing Republicans from destroying the things they actually talked about in the article.
re: #240 Jenner7
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For the life of me, I don’t understand how we’re supposed to get these voters. I suppose we could promise them what Bernie and Trump have but I want us to be honest with voters too. Those jobs aren’t coming back and part of the reason why they left in the first place was people like Trump.
It went from the upper 60’s to 30’s, with wind and snow. Ick.
re: #70 wheat-dogg
Hate to brag, but I’m widely read and highly influential. Imagine who reads me in *private* and never says. Deal with it.
Trump’s new National Security Advisor Flynn has tweeted at Cernovich over a dozen times and recommended his book Gorilla Mindset pic.twitter.com/nyL3VJBWu4
— Emmet O’Neal (@emmetoneal) November 17, 2016
— Mike Cernovich
And award-winning, too, I bet.
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I mean the decline of towns like Nelsonville and my grandparents hometown of Johnstown saddens me. Johnstown and Cambria County even went for Mondale over Reagan in 1984 but then went big for Trump this year. We should be empathetic to places like this and despite what some believe, I believe the national Democratic party is but we shouldn’t lie to them either. And honestly it’s not our fault if many people there are willing to over look racism and nativism.
re: #247 Sir John Barron
And award-winning, too, I bet.
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Jeebus. Flynn recommending we read Cernovich. No thanks Mike.
re: #245 HappyWarrior
For the life of me, I don’t understand how we’re supposed to get these voters. I suppose we could promise them what Bernie and Trump have but I want us to be honest with voters too. Those jobs aren’t coming back and part of the reason why they left in the first place was people like Trump.
People have been convinced that government regulations and renewable energies are their enemies in the War on Coal, when it is actually the market itself: low energy prices and cheap fracking.
What we were once able to deliver were good paying jobs for people with a minimum of training or education. Heck, we had that in the boom years of the 90’s and early naughts: even a slightly skilled laborer or tradesman could get a decent job in housing construction and someone with minimal office or business admin skills could do well in the home mortgage industry.
And that was what kept a lot of states’ economies afloat until 2008…
So we could make these towns false hope like Trump has and then we inevitably can’t deliver on those promises, they’ll be even more mad and upset or we could be honest and level with them and they still don’t like us. Sad to say as I hate to count anyone out of a coalition, maybe the white working class isn’t going to be part of our coalition in the years to come. It’s sad. I mean that. It was being working class that brought my family ot the Democratic Party in teh first first place but their descendants would appear to me prefer us give them simplistic lines, ignore racism and nativism and sexism, and act like we can reverse trends taht have been happening for years.
re: #148 The Vicious Babushka
Are there any checks in place in the actual Constitution to prevent the POTUS from becoming a tyrant?
I think only in reference to the length of time he can be one (if the constitution survives the tyrant).
The irony though? Clinton actually beat Obama pretty good in these areas when they ran against each other in the 2008 primaries.
Trump team says “appropriate precautions” being taken to ensure calls with world leaders are secure but won’t say if they’re secured lines
— Sam Stein (@samsteinhp) November 17, 2016
Add this asshole from Dallas to the growing list of things that continue to make Texas a national embarrassment.
re: #254 HappyWarrior
The irony though? Clinton actually beat Obama pretty good in these areas when they ran against each other in the 2008 primaries.
Hillary was the “White” candidate then.
You don’t like being otld you’re racist by voting for Trump. Fine, you may think you’re voting to get your job back but you’re also voting for normalizing racism by POTUS and for policies that will definitely advresly effect racial minorities If you don’t like that, actually look up what your vote actually means.
re: #252 HappyWarrior
“Guys. Your coal and manufacturing jobs aren’t coming back. But guess what? We have new jobs in clean energy for you.”
Here’s my coming to reality thought: While I think a good chunk of the vote was due to her gender, we’re just going to have to find people that can speak “We’re going to bring your jobs back.” There is nothing that actually prevents that from addressing the concerns of minorities (and any candidate that tries to make the distinction will lose my vote), but people really want to feel that they’ve been listened to rather than having direct solutions given.
re: #255 Jenner7
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re: #260 GlutenFreeJesus
“Guys. Your coal and manufacturing jobs aren’t coming back. But guess what? We have new jobs in clean energy for you.”
Clinton said that. She got raked over the…well, you know… for it.
re: #256 electrotek
Add this asshole from Dallas to the growing list of things that continue to make Texas a national embarrassment.
I think, with Trump as our leader, we can stop singling out individual states as being embarrassments.
re: #262 Sir John Barron
Well, since Trump doesn’t actually know anything
yet, we might be safe for now./
FTFY
re: #264 Belafon
I think, with Trump as our leader, we can stop singling out individual states as being embarrassments.
Not with Texas, I can assure you of that.
Texas is competing with Florida a lot more now.
re: #260 GlutenFreeJesus
“Guys. Your coal and manufacturing jobs aren’t coming back. But guess what? We have new jobs in clean energy for you.”
We tell them that and they just shit on us as being a bunch of damn hippie environmentalists. Maybe we do need to communicate better but when I read these people quoted, it really seems to me they’d rather us offer them false hope than to level with them.
re: #256 electrotek
Add this asshole from Dallas to the growing list of things that continue to make Texas a national embarrassment.
Spencer prefers to call himself an “identitarian” but will accept white nationalist. He is adamant that he’s not a white supremacist, which implies a desire for whites to rule over nonwhites. Such a hierarchy would be “disastrous,” he said.
…
He envisions a white ethno-state utopia, devoid of black people, Muslims, Jews, Asians or anyone else without a common European heritage and culture. He believes white people in America have become rootless wanderers, displaced by immigrants who are now waging a kind of proxy war against the European cultural foundation upon which the U.S. was built.
He doesn’t want to rule over minorities, he wants to completely get rid of them.
re: #252 HappyWarrior
So we could make these towns false hope like Trump has and then we inevitably can’t deliver on those promises, they’ll be even more mad and upset or we could be honest and level with them and they still don’t like us.
And when Trump fails to deliver, they will still love him and accept the scapegoats offered for his failures.
We are in the Alternate Media Reality. All we can do is wait for conditions on the ground to overshadow it…
re: #263 Blind Frog Belly White
I know. Of course she did. But she didn’t go far enough. I don’t recall hearing her say why clean energy jobs would have been better/safer/more profitable.
re: #269 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))
And when Trump fails to deliver, they will still love him and accept the scapegoats offered for his failures.
We are in the Alternate Media Reality. All we can do is wait for conditions on the ground to overshadow it…
Yep.
re: #260 GlutenFreeJesus
“Guys. Your coal and manufacturing jobs aren’t coming back. But guess what? We have new jobs in clean energy for you.”
What we hear is: “We ruined your jobs and they are not coming back. Now learn to live in lean-tos and wipe your butts with leaves because Eco-Nazis are taking over!!!”
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Those of you who are too young to remember Reagan might not realize what this means. Republicans are too smart to simply end programs - that stirs up too much opposition. They return the responsibility to the states with block grants that are insufficient and shrink over time. They grandfather in people over a certain age so older people (who vote reliably) aren’t moved to action. They assign activities to agencies who are bad at them and are led by people hostile to the activities.
Right now Paul Ryan is threatening to end Medicare for everyone. He won’t do this. The threat is so people are relieved when he only ends if for people under 55.
This is why waiting to see what the Republicans do is such a bad idea. It will be a slow motion train wreck full of tripwires and poison pills. Each item is bad but not terrible and there are a million of them, so people get worn out and can’t figure out when and where to get upset. We need to be the tea party - protest, flood town halls, write letters and call our representitives. Liberals tend to be wonky and want to calmly discuss the policy implications of each proposal. This will not work. We need to go full bore on not touching Medicare in any way, not privaitizing Social Security, not putting any laws in place that effect only Muslims.
What I think will be interesting is how soon and how often Trump’s cabinet members start resigning. And then the inevitable leaks about the goings-on behind the scenes followed by the inevitable Trump insults of the departed cabinet official, etc.
re: #272 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))
What we hear is: “We ruined your jobs and they are not coming back. Now learn to live in lean-tos and wipe your butts with leaves because Eco-Nazis are taking over!!!”
And these types do fall for it. They find more common ground with the corporate shithead like Trump that has actually taken their jobs than the environmentalist who talks about transforming their local economy because they’ve come to see environmentalists as sinister outsiders who want to destroy their way of life. As I said, maybe we do need ot work on how we communicate but the message isn’t the issue.
re: #273 EmmaAnne
Agreed.
I’m starting to get tired of being the Mr. Nice Guy.
Let’s stand our ground and not allow them to walk all over us.
re: #270 GlutenFreeJesus
I know. Of course she did. But she didn’t go far enough. I don’t recall hearing her say why clean energy jobs would have been better/safer/more profitable.
It’s more that the other guy promised to wind back the clock for them, which everyone knew wasn’t gonna happen. Except, apparently, the marks.
re: #272 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))
Not that it’s for me to judge, but if I had a choice…
Sanders won’t join Democratic Party despite spot in Senate leadership https://t.co/2DvV2YJdJp pic.twitter.com/HGl7Dn2y9U
— The Hill (@thehill) November 17, 2016
re: #255 Jenner7
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“I’ve got my best guys, top guys, the best security. Fred, Sam, and Barney set up my phones, it even says so right on here, look!”
re: #279 Jenner7
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So he’ll kindly fuck off on his party building and organization suggestions then?
re: #280 Pawn of the Oppressor
“I’ve got my best guys, top guys, the best security. Fred, Sam, and Barney set up my phones, it even says so right on here, look!”
“Fisher and Price. The best!”
re: #274 Sir John Barron
What I think will be interesting is how soon and how often Trump’s cabinet members start resigning. And then the inevitable leaks about the goings-on behind the scenes followed by the inevitable Trump insults of the departed cabinet official, etc.
Trump will be upset when he finds out he cannot force cabinet members to sign non-disclosure agreements…
re: #281 GlutenFreeJesus
We don’t want him.
Apparently the Senate Dems did though. I’m through with Bernie. I’m definitely going to be tuning him out whenever he talks about what the Democratic Party has ought to do to win electorally when he can’t even bother joining the party formally.
re: #283 Timothy Watson
So he’ll kindly fuck off on his party building and organization suggestions then?
Of course. Now he can go back to his quiet corner of the country and continue to bitch and moan without actually doing any work.
re: #283 Timothy Watson
So he’ll kindly fuck off on his party building and organization suggestions then?
Fat chance.
re: #278 GlutenFreeJesus
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Not that it’s for me to judge, but if I had a choice…
real men vs wimpy eco-mice
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re: #286 HappyWarrior
Apparently the Senate Dems did though. I’m through with Bernie. I’m definitely not going to be tuning him out whenever he talks about what the Democratic Party has ought to do to win electorally when he can’t even bother joining the party formally.
Hope the DNC has learned their lesson. No outsiders who will only fuck you over in the long run.
re: #289 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))
Eco-mice beta males without lung cancer!
re: #270 GlutenFreeJesus
I know. Of course she did. But she didn’t go far enough. I don’t recall hearing her say why clean energy jobs would have been better/safer/more profitable.
But she did say all of that, over and over. I’d really like us to give up this idea that if the candidate just reworded things or emphisized things a little differently these people would listen and be persuaded. Our wonky rational souls resist the idea, but sometimes emotion and tribal identity completely outweigh ideas and reasoning.
You know, there’s another Indy who caucuses with the Dems in the Senate, Angus King, I have more respect for Angus King because he doesn’t try to tell the Dems what they should and shouldn’t do while playing a passive aggressive childish game.
re: #177 ObserverArt
And by the time Trump is finished stocking SCOTUS with Rightwing Christianists, Roe v. Wade will be good and done. It will be back alleys, coat hangers, trips to Canada/Mexico/Europe and other nightmarish scenarios to end unwanted/life-endangering pregnancies.
We are going back to the 60s in so many different ways.
re: #293 EmmaAnne
Big part of the problem. A woman was telling them they could have better lives.
re: #290 GlutenFreeJesus
Hope the DNC has learned their lesson. No outsiders who will only fuck you over in the long run.
I’m for that and making all primaries, closed primaries for now on in. Democrats and only Democrats should be able to decide the party’s future. If you want to join, please join but if you’re going to be like Bernie and act like we should listen to you while not even having the desire to even formally join our party, well you’re just another guy with an opinion as far as I’m concerned. Bernie’s as far as I’m concerned proving the DNC was exactly right to favor Clinton over him.
re: #279 Jenner7
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re: #295 Patricia Kayden
We are going back to the 60s is so many different ways.
The only question is which 60s for which issue. 1960s, 1860s, 1660s, 1460s, 1260s…
re: #296 GlutenFreeJesus
Big part of the problem. A woman was telling them they could have better lives.
Yes, sexism certainly does play a role here.
re: #256 electrotek
Add this asshole from Dallas to the growing list of things that continue to make Texas a national embarrassment.
He’s a slimy one. I heard him interviewed on the radio program “Reveal.”
re: #247 Sir John Barron
Someone should send that to CNN so that journalists can do their job and actually ask Flynn about his ties to Cernovich and other White Supremacists.
The media should be all over this. Remember how they harassed President Obama over Rev Wright? I do.
re: #172 Belafon
If “We are so fucked” means anything other than “I’m trying to figure out what I can do to prevent this,” I would ask that you stop using the phrase.
I used the phrase and I’ll own it. My personal stand is I will register as a Muslim, Jew, Mormon, whatever, when the time comes. But from a legal perspective, we have good lawyers who would fight this. I am just pointing out that Korematsu is still good precedent. Unlike Dred Scott v. Sanford, it has not been overturned by a constitutional amendment.
re: #303 mmmirele
I used the phrase and I’ll own it. My personal stand is I will register as a Muslim, Jew, Mormon, whatever, when the time comes. But from a legal perspective, we have good lawyers who would fight this. I am just pointing out that Korematsu is still good precedent. Unlike Dred Scott v. Sanford, it has not been overturned by a constitutional amendment.
It sounds like we agree.
re: #202 Eclectic Cyborg
“The idea here is always, always try to save the baby,” Nisly said.
—-“But after they’re born, fuck ‘em.”
Yeah, what about the women? No better than living meat lockers to these asshats.
re: #303 mmmirele
I used the phrase and I’ll own it. My personal stand is I will register as a Muslim, Jew, Mormon, whatever, when the time comes. But from a legal perspective, we have good lawyers who would fight this. I am just pointing out that Korematsu is still good precedent. Unlike Dred Scott v. Sanford, it has not been overturned by a constitutional amendment.
This is all red herring. They will register “Immigrants from nations with a close association with terrorism”. It will not be a religious test in the strict sense: in theory it would apply to citizens of any religion from whose countries, but the intent will be clear.
They already have enough sense to steer clear of a First Amendment challenge.
And yeah, we are pretty fucked.
re: #267 HappyWarrior
We tell them that and they just shit on us as being a bunch of damn hippie environmentalists. Maybe we do need to communicate better but when I read these people quoted, it really seems to me they’d rather us offer them false hope than to level with them.
People want hope and they’ll take people offering false hope over those who would”level with them” every day and twice a day on Sunday.
re: #305 mmmirele
Yeah, what about the women? No better than living meat lockers to these asshats.
#RightWingLogic A fetus is a “person” but a grown woman is a hotel room made of meat. #tcot #UniteBlue #Roe43 pic.twitter.com/LnyKIXCnHJ
— Vicious Babushka (@viciousbabushka) February 3, 2016
re: #307 jeffreyw
People want hope and they’ll take people offering false hope over those who would”level with them” every day and twice a day on Sunday.
Yeah they will and that’s exactly how Reagan before Trump rose too. These voters are going to regret this decision as soon as they realize they’ve been had. I stil want to help them but I’m done sympathizing with them either.
re: #307 jeffreyw
People want hope and they’ll take people offering false hope over those who would”level with them” every day and twice a day on Sunday.
“He tells it like it is!” = “He tells it the way I wanna hear it!”
re: #218 HappyWarrior
We’re all going to have to fix it but I’m sick of being told to understand people who never ever show anything close of that word for us. They just hate liberals and operate as much.
Actually, I think we DO understand them. The “move forward” types are asking us to pretend we don’t.
re: #309 HappyWarrior
Yeah they will and that’s exactly how Reagan before Trump rose too. These voters are going to regret this decision as soon as they realize they’ve been had.
That is the catch: they won’t realize what has been done to them.
re: #311 We’re Way Beyond Snark
Actually, I think we DO understand them. The “move forward” types are asking us to pretend we don’t.
Yeah I think we do too.
Sounds like a big deal to me…
Director of National Intelligence James Clapper says he submitted his letter of resignation Wednesday night. https://t.co/4kGo890W5U
— CNN Breaking News (@cnnbrk) November 17, 2016
re: #312 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))
That is the catch: they won’t realize what has been done to them.
Right. Sigh. I mean if it were this simple, Clinton wins in the biggest electoral landslide of my lifetime. Instead, 8 days after the election, we’re wondering why.
re: #309 HappyWarrior
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re: #315 Smith25’s Liberal Thighs
Sounds like a big deal to me…
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My mom’s old boss. She thinks highly of Clapper.
re: #315 Smith25’s Liberal Thighs
Sounds like a big deal to me…
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He’s been saying he would retire at the end of Obama’s term for awhile.
re: #317 Bass Reeves
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re: #319 Timothy Watson
He’s been saying he would retire at the end of Obama’s term for awhile.
Ah yeah, that’s right.
How was Clinton’s speech last night though? I didn’t catch it since I was tired after work.
re: #319 Timothy Watson
He’s been saying he would retire at the end of Obama’s term for awhile.
That does make me feel better. Don’t want a mass exodus. The last thing we need are intelligent people of good will leaving positions for those whom I have no faith in.
I’ve been thinking about those DNA tests that are all the rage and one that I myself have taken. I concede they’re not 100% accurate but they in their own little ways show that no one is “pure.” I don’t see myself as white. I see myself as pre-predominately European in my heritage and background. It does NOT make me superior to anyone. It just makes me who I am. Thousands of people over the course of hundreds of years in their own small way contributed to make me. And for that reason, I will never ever be sympathetic to the idea of racial superiority because we invent our differences in race and it’s always been that way.
re: #177 ObserverArt
Morning!
I don’t know if this has been mentioned, need to catch up but…check this out. It’s starting. From Pence’s home state the fundies are getting active. I bet this is intended to get to the Supreme Court as a challenge to Roe v. Wade. Get some new Supreme Court Justices and everything changes.
How long before those White Women who went Trump have voters remorse.
Birth Control will be tested too. Men’s Rights!
I’m sick now…
Then take out life insurance policy on the “child” as soon as conception is proven. Since only 30% of conception results in a live birth your chances of payoff is WAY higher than playing the lottery.
re: #307 jeffreyw
People want hope and they’ll take people offering false hope over those who would”level with them” every day and twice a day on Sunday.
Possibly. Alternatively, people who fear a future in which their sole advantage - whiteness - is less of an advantage may prefer someone who tells them he’ll bring back the past than someone who looks forward to that future.
IOW, the WWC largely does not welcome a future of inclusion, because they give up their one advantage.
re: #324 HappyWarrior
Thousands of
peoplecultures over the course of hundreds of years in their own small way contributed to makemeus.And for that reason, I will never ever be sympathetic to the idea of
racialcultural superiority because we invent our social differences and it’s always been that way.
not really corrected, just amended and applied to a wider sphere…
re: #327 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))
not really corrected, just amended and applied to a wider sphere…
Yes, that works as well.
bipartisanreport.com
But hey don’t call them deplorable.
I’d like to thank everyone here for the venting and arguing and introspection over the course of the past week or so. The flu hit my entire house for about a two week period, and if I wasn’t sick myself, then I was helping to take care of at least one sick person. Now everyone has recovered from the flu, but still are somewhat sick to our stomachs due to Agent Orange.
re: #326 Blind Frog Belly White
So, it’s about race in a way that isn’t so much about racism.
Obama and Romney didn’t really offer that much difference to the WWC, but Obama was more hopeful, AND Romney was that asshole with the company that took over your company and laid you off.
Clinton offered hope in a new, inclusive era you could be a part of. Trump offered hope of a return to a NON-inclusive era you where you could get your old job, and your old future back.
re: #235 Timothy Watson
Let’s try that again:
(For some reason, Facebook privacy settings were causing problems.)
And the comments are STILL full of purity ponies rehashing all the ways in which Hillary just wasn’t good enough, wasn’t progressive enough, wasn’t deserving enough, blah blah blah, and because of that somehow the exponentially worse things Trump is and will do are now Hillary’s fault.
re: #329 HappyWarrior
bipartisanreport.com
But hey don’t call them deplorable.
I wouldn’t take Bipartisanreport as a news source unless it can be backed up with another source. They have a history of bogus stories.
What America needs a is a big war to decimate the manufacturing base of Europe and a good chunk of Asia. A YUGE war, almost world wide in scope you might say. That will make us great again.
re: #333 The Vicious Babushka
I wouldn’t take Bipartisanreport as a news source unless it can be backed up with another source. They have a history of bogus stories.
Thanks. Kept in mind for the future but I know that Emmy has taken a lot of shit for calling out right wing shit.
re: #336 Kilroy was here
First post since the election so I figured I give a new tool for Trump’s America.
Feel free to used as needed.
I am sure it will be usable as such on a daily basis
re: #332 sagehen
And the comments are STILL full of purity ponies rehashing all the ways in which Hillary just wasn’t good enough, wasn’t progressive enough, wasn’t deserving enough, blah blah blah, and because of that somehow the exponentially worse things Trump is and will do are now Hillary’s fault.
These people just piss me off. They don’t want a president. They want someone to affirm their purity. God, I wasn’t enthusiastic about Clinton when she first declared she was running either but I did something, I learned about what she PLANNED to do and saw that she was ready for the job. I didn’t focus on old grudges i.e. the Iraq War resolution vote or that she wasn’t always for SSM (Do these asses forget how Bush got re-elected in the first place), etc, no I learned about Clinton the woman who has accomplished a great deal in her career of public service and who has actually accomplished a lot more than the Purity Pony they latched themselves to. A lot of progressives (not people here) have their heads up their asses because they think the Presidency is something it’s not nor has it ever been. No, Hillary wouldn’t have solved all the progressive issues but she would have stayed us on the right path and started new paths that Obama wasn’t able to do.
re: #337 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))
Should I make one that is hourly?
/s
re: #336 Kilroy was here
First post since the election so I figured I give a new tool for Trump’s America.
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What’s the point? As long as Trump’s President that number is never moving off zero.
re: #335 HappyWarrior
Thanks. Kept in mind for the future but I know that Emmy has taken a lot of shit for calling out right wing shit.
There are a lot of fake news sites on the liberal side, it is not just a wingnut phenomenon. Here are some to avoid off the top of my head:
AddictingInfo
BipartisanReport
IfYouOnlyNews
OccupyDemocrats
PoliticusUsa
AmericanNewsX
To me, progressivism is a journey. I don’t know if there’s such thing as an ideal world but what we can do is make each year a little better than the last. 2004 when I first really got into presidential politics, the idea of SSM nationwide was hard to believe. 10 years later, it was legalized nationwide in large part because we had a President who advocated for LGBT people not just himself but through his appointees. I grew up watching anti-Marijuana propaganda in school. Now, several states have legalized it. Now is everything perfect? No, but we have PROGRESSED. My own mother’s father’s worked with Richard Loving while Mr. Loving waited to hear whether the United States Supreme Court would find the ban of his marriage to a black woman, Mildred Loving unconstitutional. The Supreme Court in their wisdom did find it to be that. That wasn’t even 50 years ago. So many progressives think rabid change now or bust should be our mantra. It just shouldn’t or else we risk losing so much of what we have accomplished as we stand today with President elect Trump.
re: #339 Kilroy was here
Should I make one that is hourly?
/s
or “Number of national embarrassments endured today”
re: #341 The Vicious Babushka
There are a lot of fake news sites on the liberal side, it is not just a wingnut phenomenon. Here are some to avoid off the top of my head:
AddictingInfo
BipartisanReport
IfYouOnlyNews
OccupyDemocrats
PoliticusUsa
AmericanNewsX
Thanks. I’ll keep those in mind too.
Hooray! GOP pushes a bill to block Boeing’s sale of planes to Iran.
So, how many thousands of American jobs are in jeopardy at Boeing and its subcontractors b/c of this? @SpeakerRyan
— lawhawk (@lawhawk) November 17, 2016
Yeah, about that.
The GOP and their cheerleaders don’t want people to understand that stopping those sales hurts American jobs too. There’s 1000s of American workers who rely on the sale of those planes. It’s in the supply chain too - so we’re talking about people across the country who indirectly rely on the sale of those planes for their very employment.
The licensing deal allowing the sale to Iran is for 80 Boeing aircraft (and up to 118 Airbus planes).
80 Boeing planes. We’re talking about Boeing 747s, as well as 777 and upgraded 777X wide-body jets under a $17.6 billion order for 80 Boeing aircraft. Boeing is also helping Iran Air line up another 29 planes from leasing companies.
re: #345 lawhawk
Hooray! GOP pushes a bill to block Boeing’s sale of planes to Iran.
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So now those manufacturing jobs are going to Airbus.
re: #345 lawhawk
Hooray! GOP pushes a bill to block Boeing’s sale of planes to Iran.
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Yeah, about that.
The GOP and their cheerleaders don’t want people to understand that stopping those sales hurts American jobs too. There’s 1000s of American workers who rely on the sale of those planes. It’s in the supply chain too - so we’re talking about people across the country who indirectly rely on the sale of those planes for their very employment.
The licensing deal allowing the sale to Iran is for 80 Boeing aircraft (and up to 118 Airbus planes).
80 Boeing planes. We’re talking about Boeing 747s, as well as 777 and upgraded 777X wide-body jets under a $17.6 billion order for 80 Boeing aircraft. Boeing is also helping Iran Air line up another 29 planes from leasing companies.
What does blocking the sale of commercial airplanes help a damn? Typical Republican bullshit.
They will get news jobs in the Trump administration
Two men charged with kickback scheme at Valeant https://t.co/ueoJZOpASi pic.twitter.com/m4thpIYf0B
— Reuters Top News (@Reuters) November 17, 2016
re: #341 The Vicious Babushka
There are a lot of fake news sites on the liberal side, it is not just a wingnut phenomenon. Here are some to avoid off the top of my head:
AddictingInfo
BipartisanReport
IfYouOnlyNews
OccupyDemocrats
PoliticusUsa
AmericanNewsX
Don’t forget USUncut and TheFreeThoughtProject.
re: #349 electrotek
Don’t forget USUncut and TheFreeThoughtProject.
I’m not familiar with them. I just listed the ones I could think of right away. I’m sure there are more.
re: #349 electrotek
Don’t forget USUncut and TheFreeThoughtProject.
Thanks guys. BTW USAToday is reporting it.
usatoday.com
I wouldn’t include blogs or op-ed sites as “fake news sources” because they are not news sources at all, but there are probably folks out there who think they are.
re: #353 The Vicious Babushka
I wouldn’t include blogs or op-ed sites as “fake news sources” because they are not news sources at all, but there are probably folks out there who think they are.
You mean like HuffPost or Kos?
re: #345 lawhawk
Hooray! GOP pushes a bill to block Boeing’s sale of planes to Iran.
Yeah, about that.
The GOP and their cheerleaders don’t want people to understand that stopping those sales hurts American jobs too. There’s 1000s of American workers who rely on the sale of those planes. It’s in the supply chain too - so we’re talking about people across the country who indirectly rely on the sale of those planes for their very employment.
The licensing deal allowing the sale to Iran is for 80 Boeing aircraft (and up to 118 Airbus planes).
80 Boeing planes. We’re talking about Boeing 747s, as well as 777 and upgraded 777X wide-body jets under a $17.6 billion order for 80 Boeing aircraft. Boeing is also helping Iran Air line up another 29 planes from leasing companies.
Wonder how many Boeing employees voted for Trump.
re: #354 HappyWarrior
You mean like HuffPost or Kos?
I would say Huffington Post should be treated as a news site because it wants to be one. Daily Kos, is more of a blog.
Just used my annual United Way donation to have my payroll deductions sent to Planned Parenthood. Couldn’t be more pleased.
re: #309 HappyWarrior
Yeah they will and that’s exactly how Reagan before Trump rose too. These voters are going to regret this decision as soon as they realize they’ve been had. I stil want to help them but I’m done sympathizing with them either.
And when exactly do you think they’ll realize? They still don’t understand what Reagan did 30 years ago.
re: #350 The Vicious Babushka
I’m not familiar with them. I just listed the ones I could think of right away. I’m sure there are more.
I see it shared a lot on my FB feed and I had to call them out for sharing highly partisan bullshit that makes liberals the mirror image of wingnut conservatives.
re: #356 electrotek
Wonder how many Boeing employees voted for Trump.
He will more than make up for it in defense orders…
(God, I wish I could put a sarc tag there!)
re: #343 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))
or “Number of national embarrassments endured today”
As requested
re: #341 The Vicious Babushka
There are a lot of fake news sites on the liberal side, it is not just a wingnut phenomenon. Here are some to avoid off the top of my head:
AddictingInfo
BipartisanReport
IfYouOnlyNews
OccupyDemocrats
PoliticusUsa
AmericanNewsX
Didn’t realize how bad AddictingInfo and BipartisanReport were until this election. They are off my FB feed forever.
re: #359 sagehen
And when exactly do you think they’ll realize? They still don’t understand what Reagan did 30 years ago.
That’s true.
re: #363 Dr. Matt
Didn’t realize how bad AddictingInfo and BipartisanReport were until this election. They are off my FB feed forever.
Clickbait has really ruined everything.
Perfect!
Megyn Kelly didn’t like this, obviously because she is stuck in a pre-11/9 mindset https://t.co/04mLabQHHs
— Wonkette (@Wonkette) November 17, 2016
re: #360 electrotek
I see it shared a lot on my FB feed and I had to call them out for sharing highly partisan bullshit that makes liberals the mirror image of wingnut conservatives.
I have seen it go both ways: my liberal Nephew fell for the fake Trump quote about “I would run for President as a Republican because they are that stupid”, while my conservative brother fell for the fake story that the White House was lit up in purple to honor Prince’s passing…
Trump: not normal. This is just part of a beyond-disturbing list: https://t.co/xXxUO1RQbI Even a couple of these w/ Obama: they’d impeach. pic.twitter.com/YJtP6OQYBG
— Dan Gillmor (@dangillmor) November 16, 2016
I know, everyone’s seen it before. But it bears repeating.
re: #360 electrotek
I see it shared a lot on my FB feed and I had to call them out for sharing highly partisan bullshit that makes liberals the mirror image of wingnut conservatives.
What I see a lot of these days is people just posting self re-enforcing bullshit rather than actually critically thinking. Told ya about my one wingnut friend who posts nothing but Shapiro and Crowder’s bs without giving any critical thought to it. My lefty friends have that too with OccupyDems.
re: #359 sagehen
And when exactly do you think they’ll realize? They still don’t understand what Reagan did 30 years ago.
They still see him through rose-tinted glasses bring us Morning in America.
My personal theory is that all the cuts in basic education that he initiated have finally come home to roost in the latest election.
re: #295 Patricia Kayden
We are going back to the 60s in so many different ways.
1860’s if the wingnuts have their way.
re: #368 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))
I have seen it go both ways: my liberal Nephew fell for the fake Trump quote about “I would run for President as a Republican because they are that stupid”, while my conservative brother fell for the fake story that the White House was lit up in purple to honor Prince’s passing…
And is there any wonder why some “liberals” have engaged in self-defeating mode and happily embrace Trump?
I’ve seen the usual Bernie supporters who suddenly change face and voted for Gary Johnson (even though they are the polar opposite of each other in everything), because they didn’t like “either candidate”, and now they are embracing Trump in full.
What’s the common denominator? They are all white.
Obama says he’ll do all that he can to help Trump.
Man, that’s embarrassing….
For Trump.
re: #368 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))
I have seen it go both ways: my liberal Nephew fell for the fake Trump quote about “I would run for President as a Republican because they are that stupid”, while my conservative brother fell for the fake story that the White House was lit up in purple to honor Prince’s passing…
I mean it’s easy to see how people fall for these but often times, when you do point out hey you fell for some bad info, they get pissy. My one right wing friend posts easily debunked crap but when you link him to something like Snopes that explains quite fairly why it’s wrong, he just dismisses it. Frustrating.
I asked for evidence to back up his claim that 3 million illegal aliens voted. Instead of evidence I got a line of herp and a line of derp. pic.twitter.com/V1iC8dipeG
— TheLiberalOgre (@TheTruePooka) November 17, 2016
.@debunkdenialism #LOL! Just like evolution ;) - @TheTruePooka pic.twitter.com/7SjlZtbPav
— CriticalDragon1177 (@CriticalDragon1) November 17, 2016
re: #373 electrotek
And is there any wonder why some liberals have engaged in self-defeating mode and happily embrace Trump?
I’ve seen the usual Bernie supporters who suddenly change face and voted for Gary Johnson (even though they are the polar opposite of each other in everything), because they didn’t like “either candidate”, and now they are embracing Trump in full.
What’s the common denominator? They are all white.
Doesn’t surprise me unfortunately. A lot of white people who embraced Bernie are the same people or at least the same types of minds that embraced Ron Paul. They just want radical change and will accept that rhetoric from anyone even those with as differing positions as Bernie, Ron Paul/Gary Johnson, and Trump offer.
re: #347 HappyWarrior
What does blocking the sale of commercial airplanes help a damn? Typical Republican bullshit.
I think they’ve somehow convinced themselves that if Iran can’t buy planes from us they won’t be able to buy planes.
Which is obviously absurd, but people believe what they want to believe. Facts be damned.
Don’t just decry the norm-breaking. Defend the norm. https://t.co/I77dkntBwU pic.twitter.com/YOuawmFE5q
— Brian Beutler (@brianbeutler) November 17, 2016
re: #377 HappyWarrior
Doesn’t surprise me unfortunately. A lot of white people who embraced Bernie are the same people or at least the same types of minds that embraced Ron Paul. They just want radical change and will accept that rhetoric from anyone even those with as differing positions as Bernie, Ron Paul/Gary Johnson, and Trump offer.
Yeah that’s why I didn’t fall for Bernie this time around like I did with RP.
Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me. And I’ll be damned if I fool myself twice this time around!
Homeopathic medicine may get a reality check from the FTC, stat. https://t.co/2L0kIhatIU
— Ars Technica (@arstechnica) November 17, 2016
I have only one thing to say about that, good!
re: #380 electrotek
Yeah that’s why I didn’t fall for Bernie this time around like I did with RP.
Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me. And I’ll be damned if I fool myself twice this time around!
I was once a Kucinich supporter 12 years ago. I’ve come to see that candidates like promise a lot but really offer little to nothing. There will be others like them in the years to come and I will continue to be skeptical of them.
re: #373 electrotek
I’m wobbling back towards giving up and leaving the US.
My Republican friend who did not vote for Trump is telling me to stay, that we need more Liberals like me, but I am simply tired of fighting. Fighting myself, the Dallas Muslim community, and the other side politically.
I just want feel tired.
re: #382 HappyWarrior
I was once a Kucinich supporter 12 years ago. I’ve come to see that candidates like promise a lot but really offer little to nothing. There will be others like them in the years to come and I will continue to be skeptical of them.
Ironic enough, I never supported Kucinich back then. I was a supporter of Wesley Clark because I naively thought by having someone with military experience would help win the election (it was during the Iraq war after all), but when John Kerry was nominated I through my entire support behind him.
I learned that military experience alone does not make a great Commander-in-Chief enough to get elected then.
A Trump fan on Twitter just tried to insult Lawhawk by calling him an “imbasil.”
re: #383 Ziggy_TARDIS
I’m wobbling back towards giving up and leaving the US.
My Republican friend who did not vote for Trump is telling me to stay, that we need more Liberals like me, but I am simply tired of fighting. Fighting myself, the Dallas Muslim community, and the other side politically.
I just want feel tired.
I’m with you dude. Have you thought about applying to be an English teacher overseas? Japan will need a lot of it as they are hosting the Olympics in 4 years.
re: #385 jaunte
A Trump fan on Twitter just tried to insult Lawhawk by calling him an “imbasil.”
Comments like this is why we need more options for reactions than a Upding/Downding.
A simple upding is not enough to show how hilarious this is hahaha
re: #384 electrotek
Ironic enough, I never supported Kucinich back then. I was a supporter of Wesley Clark because I naively thought by having someone with military experience would help win the election (it was during the Iraq war after all), but when John Kerry was nominated I through my entire support behind him.
I learned that military experience alone does not make a great Commander-in-Chief enough to get elected then.
Yeah, I threw my full support behind Kerry too and it was seeing how many on the left bitched about Kerry not being pure enough soured me. Funny you bring up Clark because it was Michael Moore supporting him for the same reasons you describe yourself as having done so that made me think less of Moore given how he loves to sell himself as Mr. Ideals. But yeah that was a great lesson.
re: #222 wheat-dogg
They hate the liberals as depicted by the media they watch and read. I’m not sure if they’ve ever met a real liberal in the flesh, or if they had, if they’d even recognize one. For example, a veteran who’s also a Democrat, or a farmer who’s an environmentalist. I understand such people exist.
That last sentence describes my husband: veteran, Democrat, farmer, environmentalist. I’m the same without the veteran status.
re: #383 Ziggy_TARDIS
I’m wobbling back towards giving up and leaving the US.
My Republican friend who did not vote for Trump is telling me to stay, that we need more Liberals like me, but I am simply tired of fighting. Fighting myself, the Dallas Muslim community, and the other side politically.
I just want feel tired.
Political fatigue is something I know all too well. In some ways, I’m energized to fight and do more but in other ways, I’m simply exhausted by it all. I’ve never seriously considered leaving to be honest.
re: #334 Eventual Carrion
I imagine myself trying to explain why that wouldn’t work this time.
Me: Donald, America was far, far away from the fighting that time. Now, thanks to modern technology, that is no longer the case. Even if nukes aren’t used a few dozen cruise missiles can do tremendous damage.
And we won’t be fighting on small islands in the Pacific or part of Europe. We’ll be fighting the Russians and Chinese this time, and we won’t have any more success than the Axis.
Donald: Wasn’t the Axis an evil organization in a James Bond movie? You know that one with the woman with the really nice tits? She was a nine at least.
re: #389 Gindy51
That last sentence describes my husband: veteran, Democrat, farmer, environmentalist. I’m the same without the veteran status.
And there’s a lot of people like you and your husband. It’s not that they don’t know liberals. It’s just they do know liberals and then think the average liberal is something else. My one wingnut friend bitches about liberals all the time very unaware even though I’ve told him I’m a liberal that one of his best friends (me) is one of those liberals. Now, maybe I’m guilty of the same to some extent with conservatives but I believe I have made much more of an effort to attempt to understand conservatives and their mindest than they ever have mine. Welcome btw even though I see you’ve been registered since July 2013.
re: #386 electrotek
I want to be with other Muslims.
And I have no idea where I could go for that and be accepted. :’(
re: #385 jaunte
A Trump fan on Twitter just tried to insult Lawhawk by calling him an “imbasil.”
Moran! Busted, libtard!
re: #388 HappyWarrior
Yeah, I threw my full support behind Kerry too and it was seeing how many on the left bitched about Kerry not being pure enough soured me. Funny you bring up Clark because it was Michael Moore supporting him for the same reasons you describe yourself as having done so that made me think less of Moore given how he loves to sell himself as Mr. Ideals. But yeah that was a great lesson.
I didn’t pay too much attention to what the left said about Kerry, because I was fixated on proving conservatives about Kerry and his military service.
The smears against him, comparing him to Jane Fonda, it was fucked up.
Now fast-forward 12 years later, I don’t give a fuck what Jane Fonda did in 1973. It was over 4 decades ago, get the fuck over it. If you curse Jane Fonda, but praise William Calley, then you are the problem.
Truth in advertising. pic.twitter.com/crBFes0EPx
— ian bremmer (@ianbremmer) November 17, 2016
re: #345 lawhawk
Hooray! GOP pushes a bill to block Boeing’s sale of planes to Iran.
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Yeah, about that.
The GOP and their cheerleaders don’t want people to understand that stopping those sales hurts American jobs too. There’s 1000s of American workers who rely on the sale of those planes. It’s in the supply chain too - so we’re talking about people across the country who indirectly rely on the sale of those planes for their very employment.
The licensing deal allowing the sale to Iran is for 80 Boeing aircraft (and up to 118 Airbus planes).
80 Boeing planes. We’re talking about Boeing 747s, as well as 777 and upgraded 777X wide-body jets under a $17.6 billion order for 80 Boeing aircraft. Boeing is also helping Iran Air line up another 29 planes from leasing companies.
Airbus CEO thanks you
re: #395 electrotek
I didn’t pay too much attention to what the left said about Kerry, because I was fixated on proving conservatives about Kerry and his military service.
The smears against him, comparing him to Jane Fonda, it was fucked up.
Now fast-forward 12 years later, I don’t give a fuck what Jane Fonda did in 1973. It was over 4 decades ago, get the fuck over it. If you curse Jane Fonda, but praise William Calley, then you are the problem.
Gotcha. Absolutely right, if you’re bitching about Fonda but think Calley was a hero, then fuck you.
re: #341 The Vicious Babushka
There are a lot of fake news sites on the liberal side, it is not just a wingnut phenomenon. Here are some to avoid off the top of my head:
AddictingInfo
BipartisanReport
IfYouOnlyNews
OccupyDemocrats
PoliticusUsa
AmericanNewsX
yeah got tired of all the politicsusa showing up in my TL, often times the news was out of date or just BS of some kind or another.
re: #393 Ziggy_TARDIS
I want to be with other Muslims.
And I have no idea where I could go for that and be accepted. :’(
And then what? Be under suspicious because you’re a white convert by the majority? I know how you feel but Muslim countries in general aren’t utopias either.
This is seriously a wake-up call for Muslims in general to see how we treat minorities in our own countries. Part of why I got irate the other day with my tweet is because it brought back memories of my trips back home to Pakistan and seeing even my own well-off relatives treat the masih like garbage, as if they are subhuman. The masih are menial workers who are all Christians who were descended from lower-caste Hindus during the British colonial times and it seems like they can’t loosen the shackles of caste baggage even after all these years by everyone there.
Now they are the same people who cry about anti-Muslim bigotry here in America.
I wish I was more aware enough to stand up for them, because whether it happens here or there, we should speak out against it.
But the problem with me is that the way I speak out is not productive, I end up doing the same thing some Islamophobes do when they speak out on treatment of minorities in Muslim countries: I end up generalizing the entire community. The way I speak about it makes it seem like I’m self-loathing, and I’m trying hard not to present it that way. My heart shows that I genuinely want change, but I have to realize that I can’t alienate those who are genuinely ignorant about the injustice surrounding them.
re: #401 electrotek
And then what? Be under suspicious because you’re a white convert by the majority? I know how you feel but Muslim countries in general aren’t utopias either.
This is seriously a wake-up call for Muslims in general to see how we treat minorities in our own countries. Part of why I got irate the other day with my tweet is because it brought back memories of my trips back home to Pakistan and seeing even my own well-off relatives treat the masih like garbage, as if they are subhuman. The masih are menial workers who are all Christians who were descended from lower-caste Hindus during the British colonial times and it seems like they can’t loosen the shackles of caste baggage even after all these years by everyone there.
Now they are the same people who cry about anti-Muslim bigotry here in America.
I wish I was more aware enough to stand up for them, because whether it happens here or there, we should speak out against it.
But the problem with me is that the way I speak out is not productive, I end up doing the same thing some Islamophobes do when they speak out on treatment of minorities in Muslim countries: I end up generalizing the entire community.
That is something that a lot of people who glamorize (not trying to knock oyu Zigs) don’t understand. A lot of places where people would go would present their own problems. I mean yeah as much as I’ve had this fantasy of going back to Ireland (a country where I actually lived briefly studying abroad) and being an exile writer, I have no guarantee that would work for me and I’d be pretty much screwed if that didn’t work out. I’m a trained paralegal but I don’t know Irish law. I could hypothetically take a course for that in Ireland but I’m already at a huge disadvantage here working in the legal field without a law degree and my Asperger’s making certain things more difficult.
re: #403 HappyWarrior
For me, I am just tired of everything being so difficult.
re: #400 Sir John Barron
yeah got tired of all the politicsusa showing up in my TL, often times the news was out of date or just BS of some kind or another.
I want to hear what people think not what people think about what someone else thinks. Wingnut pal posted a link of someone bitching about what George Takei said. On election day, I gave my original thoughts. I’d like to see more of that these days rather than people who consider themselves political philosophers because they got some self re-enforcing bs from “Louder with Crowder” or Occupy Dems.
re: #404 Ziggy_TARDIS
For me, I am just tired of everything being so difficult.
I hear ya totally. I think being on the spectrum though, it’s going to be difficult regardless of where you end up though. We’re forever the outsiders in this world no matter what. The best we can do is to adjust.
There’s now a CSPAN feed of the Trump Tower lobby https://t.co/LWEhKT5MdV pic.twitter.com/mtbl6XeE89
— Oliver Darcy (@oliverdarcy) November 17, 2016
re: #176 Tigger2
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Why don’t we have more reporting on paid rioting?
Who pays for it?
How much?
Why?
Through what orgs?
Who are the “workers”?
Who recruits?— Ben Sasse (@BenSasse) November 17, 2016
Evidence? “His campaign mgr posted my story about a protester getting paid $3,500 as fact. Like, I made that up!” https://t.co/GKDIq5IvI0 https://t.co/f3raroAIhu
— Jonathan Weisman (@jonathanweisman) November 17, 2016
re: #408 Backwoods_Sleuth
Why don’t we have more reporting on paid rioting?
Who pays for it?
How much?
Why?
Through what orgs?
Who are the “workers”?
Who recruits?— Ben Sasse
Maybe you could be a little less dumb and credulous, Senator of the U.S.
Just had a 15-minute conversation with President-elect Donald Trump.
He was on great form & very excited about the challenges ahead.— Piers Morgan (@piersmorgan) November 17, 2016
yeah thats a great use of the president-elects time https://t.co/N7mIQ4HDD0
— darth™ (@darth) November 17, 2016
Someone commenting over at Wonkette had an excellent response to this.
I guess the second amendment trumps everything. ( No pun intended )
re: #409 Sir John Barron
Maybe you could be a little less dumb and credulous, Senator of the U.S.
Sasse gets credit for opposing Trump, but other than that he remains a standard-issue Republican meathead.
Awwww look! The Republicans just posed for their whitey-white-white selfie. pic.twitter.com/KKxzo5PvDK
— Cornelia (@PaladinCornelia) November 17, 2016
re: #410 Backwoods_Sleuth
Just had a 15-minute conversation with President-elect Donald Trump.
He was on great form & very excited about the challenges ahead.
— Piers Morgan
Good tweet. Informative.
///
re: #410 Backwoods_Sleuth
Just had a 15-minute conversation with President-elect Donald Trump.
He was on great form & very excited about the challenges ahead.
— Piers Morgan
What flavor was the Kool-Aid?
re: #413 Backwoods_Sleuth
When your group selfie captures 1 of 2 black guys in the room but not the LITERAL white supremacist 5 ft to ur left pic.twitter.com/KsPHLUOUgu
— Zeddonymous (@ZeddRebel) November 17, 2016
‘I think Trump is in the White House because of me,’ fake news writer sayshttps://t.co/9oNba6D4lv pic.twitter.com/dd1tcapxHJ
— Bluegrass Politics (@BGPolitics) November 17, 2016
What do the Amish lobby, gay wedding vans and the ban of the national anthem have in common? For starters, they’re all make-believe - and invented by the same man.
Paul Horner, the 38-year-old impresario of a Facebook fake-news empire, has made his living off viral news hoaxes for several years. He has twice convinced the Internet that he’s British graffiti artist Banksy; he also published the very viral, very fake news of a Yelp vs. “South Park” lawsuit last year.
In March, Donald Trump’s son Eric and his then-campaign manager, Corey Lewandowski, tweeted links to one of Paul Horner’s faux-articles. His stories have also appeared as news on Google.But in recent months, Horner has found the fake-news ecosystem growing more crowded, more political and vastly more influential: In March, Donald Trump’s son Eric and his then-campaign manager, Corey Lewandowski, even tweeted links to one of Horner’s faux-articles. His stories have also appeared as news on Google.
In light of concerns that stories like Horner’s may have affected the presidential election, and in the wake of announcements that both Google and Facebook would take action against deceptive outlets, The Washington Post called Horner to discuss his perspective on fake news.
more at the link
The Expat
He stood at the ship’s rear. His whole life was contained in a bag. To say goodbye to home is never an easy proposition. His cigarette is lit and he lets out a cough. The seagulls squeak and the whales lament. The ship sets out and slowly the only land he’s ever known disappears from his eyes. The only thing ahead of his eyes is a vast ocean of blue. And then the sun goes down for the expat.
Wrote this for a contest Esquire had a couple years back when they were doing a 79 word contest for their 79th annivesary. It had to be exactly 79 words.
re: #417 HappyWarrior
Wow, that’s even whiter than my family!
I am so white that those goth vampire types come up to me and are like “dude…you look really pale”…and *I* am not as white as THAT
re: #422 Jayleia
I am so white that those goth vampire types come up to me and are like “dude…you look really pale”…and *I* am not as white as THAT
Heh.
re: #413 Backwoods_Sleuth
The New White Bread!
A Sikh friend of mine was being harassed yesterday and almost got in a fight — until a bystander intervened and took a stand against hate. pic.twitter.com/L48m2VwPZv
— Simran Jeet Singh (@SikhProf) November 17, 2016
re: #425 Backwoods_Sleuth
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I haven’t seen anything yet in person but if i do, I’m going to speak out.
re: #397 Kilroy was here
Airbus CEO thanks you
The fellow on the left is Reiner Brüderle, a politician who was involved in a bit of a “locker room talk” scandal himself a few years back.
David Duke attacks Democratic senator for being Jewish while defending Trump win: https://t.co/xTVJDTwRdK pic.twitter.com/RR0V6tj7aW
— MSNBC (@MSNBC) November 17, 2016
re: #404 Ziggy_TARDIS
For me, I am just tired of everything being so difficult.
Bro, things will be just as difficult, if not more, being in a Muslim country as well.
You should follow @penofumar on Twitter. He’s also a fellow white convert (been a Muslim since 1992) and he can definitely help you out given the similar background. He keeps it real a lot of times and there was a brief bout where I once disowned him from 2011-2014 but turned back around when he came to his senses and became realistic.
He is a well known name in the Muslim blogosphere so you might want to hit him up and seek some advice brother.
re: #428 Backwoods_Sleuth
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Of course. Duke can’t go a day without letting his hatred of the Jewish people fly.
re: #430 HappyWarrior
Of course. Duke can’t go a day without letting his hatred of the Jewish people fly.
And Trumpmorons are unable to see that.
oh…
JUST IN: Donald Trump will meet with Mitt Romney, one of his fiercest critics, to discuss potential Cabinet role https://t.co/Mbv8CyuCCO pic.twitter.com/MHm5hy2OT1
— CNN (@CNN) November 17, 2016
re: #434 Backwoods_Sleuth
JUST IN: Donald Trump will meet with Mitt Romney, one of his fiercest critics, to discuss potential Cabinet role cnn.com pic.twitter.com
— CNN (@CNN) November 17, 2016
At this point, I would much rather have Romney as POTUS.
re: #437 Dr. Matt
At this point, I would much rather have Romney as POTUS.
I would too but we don’t have that choice.
re: #434 Backwoods_Sleuth
JUST IN: Donald Trump will meet with Mitt Romney, one of his fiercest critics, to discuss potential Cabinet role
Keep your friends close and your enemies closer.
re: #437 Dr. Matt
At this point, I would much rather have Romney as POTUS.
Me too. At least he can present himself in a Presidential manner.
re: #434 Backwoods_Sleuth
oh…
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Mitt Romney is actually competent (I never thought I would say that)
Highlining the Supermoon |
Photo by @chrisburkard
#naturegeography
re: #434 Backwoods_Sleuth
oh…
As promised, we are gonna rip out Obamacare by the roots. But we need a replacement plan. So tell me about Romneycare.
/
re: #420 Backwoods_Sleuth
I know this asshat. Back in the earlier ’00s, he lived in Mesa, Arizona and tried to make himself out to be a big playa on the anti-Scientology scene. He also went by the name “Fred Durks.” He got chased off by other anti-Scientology activists. But he was all hat, no cattle. I’m so not surprised he ended up in fake news.
Hmm, first Carson, then Cruz, now Romney … Anyone get the feeling the Trump camp is finding it difficult to get cabinet members with the suitable amount of experience for their positions?
Copy/Paste job from Facebook:
A message from former Governor Deval Patrick on the presidential election:
Dear Friends,
I spent election night in a hotel room at the Detroit airport, dozing fitfully and awaking on Wednesday morning to breathless reports of the outcome. I thought I was dreaming.
I’m still absorbing the result. My coping drifts between ignoring the news “analyses” to obsessing over them. Many of you have asked for my reflections and insights. The truth is I’m still trying to understand.I am sad, disturbed, embarrassed — but not surprised. I have always believed that Candidate Trump was emphatically “on trend” - globally, where intolerance and bully style leadership are on the rise; nationally, where wealth worship is epidemic and reality TV has turned a lack of decorum into entertainment; and even in the Republican Party, where Trump just said out loud what they’ve been saying in code for years. The pearl clutching of establishment Republicans always seemed a little hollow to me. Notice how many of the Party’s leaders came home in the end.
Surprised or not, we lost the election. The question “why” has been the subject of lots of commentary by better-qualified observers than me. As odious as Trump’s behavior and many of his positions may be, he spoke to voters and not at them or over them. And he made many feel heard. Meanwhile we seem to be running against something rather than for something.
Like it or not, the Trump campaign must be credited for giving voice to the yearnings and anxiety of working people. Not just whites, though that seemed to be the target of his message. The displacement and frustration and voicelessness of working people in all corners of the country are real. If we care about those realties in the lives of our fellow citizens, we ought to be glad that someone stood up for them.
So why is that I am so uneasy?
It’s not just that the messenger was a pretender, with no record of empathy and no regard for truth. Insincerity in politics is not new.
It’s not just that white working class voters placed their confidence in a party whose policies have significantly contributed to their predicament, rather than the Democratic Party, which calls itself the champion of just such voters. That’s more than a bitter irony but a profound reminder to us of how important it is for Democrats to stand for what we say we believe.
The reason I’m uneasy is that the Trump campaign also unleashed something dark. At the same time it gave voice to the voiceless worker, the Trump campaign gave voice, without hesitation or apology, to contempt: the contempt of black and brown people, the contempt of immigrants, the contempt of Muslims, the contempt of women. He acknowledged real anxieties and shortcomings, and then blamed them on “the other.” If, as some say, he has been speaking what’s on the minds of many Americans, how I am supposed to separate empathy for justifiable economic grievances from condemnation of and resistance to hate?
The answer for me is as it has always been for me: community. Community gets built one person at a time. The challenge in building community, whether in public or private life, is to let others in, to try to listen for what you may not want to hear. Lord knows, I am still working on that in my own life. But I think the effort matters, and I don’t think it means leaving one’s conscience behind. I met lots of people in the decade I spent in politics who told me they agreed with little I said or did, but who supported us anyway. I think it was because we took the time to try to hear them, adjusted where warranted, still stood up for what we believed — and still tried to govern for the greater good. And we tried never to give up on kindness.
I want to believe that lots of people - not all but many - voted for the President-elect not because of what he said but in spite of it. I want to believe that a big part of Trump’s support came from people who heard him say “Make America Great Again” and did not think about a time when women stayed home and African-Americans were second-class citizens. I wonder if what they thought about was a time when they could do business with a handshake; when they knew they could graduate from high school and find a good-paying job, buy a house and support a family in the town where they grew up; when they could walk outside and talk with and count on their neighbors; when we turned to each other and not on each other. These are the people who deserve the special attention and respect of government today. These are the people we tried to hear and to serve, the ones without lobbyists and connections. We can’t give up on them now just because their perceived champion was coarse and boorish.
I am not willing to declare myself in opposition to everything the Trump administration does before he even takes office. It was repugnant and unpatriotic for Mitch McConnell to do that to President-elect Obama, especially in an hour of national crisis, and I will not repeat the transgression. I will, as the kids say, “stay woke.” I will remain vigilant and informed. And I will listen, the way Louis Pasteur admonished the educated person always to listen, without losing my temper or my self-confidence.
If you’re uneasy like me, use it as fuel. Use it to involve yourself in local service, like our Project 351. Use it to speak (publicly and privately) and write on issues of economic and social justice, and how the fundamentally American values of equality, freedom, opportunity and fair play should inform what our policy choices should be and how we implement them. Use it to organize locally for local and state races, and to take the United States Senate and even the House in 2018. Use it to run for something yourself. Use it to remind yourself to stay in touch with what you know to be right, instead of what’s expedient or clever or conventional. Use it to stay connected to each other and to build community.
Keep the faith, friends. America remains a work in progress. It’s up to us, in the ways we can, to do the work.
Be well,
DLP
re: #434 Backwoods_Sleuth
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Whut? Romney called him a “con-man”.
Yeah, Dump must be having a hard time filling slots.
Is Scott Dworkin the guy who is spreading a bunch of bogus anti-Trump misinformation?
re: #449 The Vicious Babushka
Is Scott Dworkin the guy who is spreading a bunch of bogus anti-Trump misinformation?
Believe so.
This readout from the Trump transition team seems a strong hint that Jeff Sessions will be AG pic.twitter.com/G40vMoODVD
— Ben Jacobs (@Bencjacobs) November 17, 2016
re: #452 Backwoods_Sleuth
This just shows how ridiculously incompetent Cheeto Jesus has shown. How the fuck could he not have prepared this from the moment he announced his run for President with the GOP???
re: #453 electrotek
This just shows how ridiculously incompetent Cheeto Jesus has shown. How the fuck could he not have prepared this from the moment he announced his run for President with the GOP???
OT: don’t know if you saw it, but I linked that Japanese NHK video much earlier in this thread.
re: #455 Barefoot Grin
OT: don’t know if you saw it, but I linked that Japanese NHK video much earlier in this thread.
Yeah I upding’d you for that when I woke up this morning lol
Cheers.
re: #456 electrotek
Yeah I upding’d you for that when I woke up this morning lol
Cheers.
Missed it as usual. Thanks.
WRT: NZ “church”: if I thought I could have tectonic-plate-moving seismic orgasms I might give homosexual love a try, too.
re: #451 electrotek
Another “church” blames the recent NZ earthquake on homosexuality
So sick of these bastards.
Bernie Sanders: If Trump has the ‘guts’ to take on corporate America, he’s got an ally with me https://t.co/XtllRjJa3C pic.twitter.com/M3ArZwdH7b
— CNN (@CNN) November 17, 2016
Right, Bernie. Who gives a shit what he does to minorities and women. So principled. @CNN https://t.co/clBUh1v7J4
— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) November 17, 2016
re: #459 Charles Johnson
I’m so done with Bernie Sanders after last week. He should be treated worse than Joseph Lieberman was.
re: #396 lawhawk
Absolutely perfect. Just read a great article about how to deal with Trump which advises that we take him at his word.
re: #447 Franklin
Sounds like he could gear up for 2020.
re: #459 Charles Johnson
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I’m so done with Bernie Sanders. He obviously doesn’t give a shit about minority communities. And if he thinks Trump is actually serious about “taking on corporate America” then he’s an even bigger fool than I thought he was.
re: #464 HappyWarrior
I’m so done with Bernie Sanders. He obviously doesn’t give a shit about minority communities. And if he thinks Trump is actually serious about “taking on corporate America” then he’s an even bigger fool than I thought he was.
He’s still trying to pander to bigoted white working class communities that put Trump in power.
re: #383 Ziggy_TARDIS
My Dad is a big supporter of people leaving someplace where they’re not happy and moving elsewhere. That’s how he went from Jamaica to England to Canada and I followed his advice from Canada to the U.S. Follow your heart. If you’re not happy here, find somewhere that suits you better. I expect that the U.S. is going to get scarier for minorities like me before it gets better now that we have a White Supremacist ally in the most powerful job.
re: #447 Franklin
Can you create a populism without the racism? Just as important, can you create a populism yet expect everyone to be mature enough to want to take care of others?
Per @ivancouronne pool report, Trump advance director told press Trump will embark on a “victory tour” of states he won
— Rosie Gray (@RosieGray) November 17, 2016
re: #466 electrotek
He’s still trying to pander to bigoted white working class communities that put Trump in power.
He thinks those communities are just voting that way because of economics. He totally ignores the real racism and sexism that does exist in those communities. I am just so fucking sick of him turning a blind eye to it.
re: #469 Backwoods_Sleuth
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Yeah that’s totally normal and the asshole had the nerve to get his Trump U trial delayed because he had to “transition”. President elects don’t do victory tours. Glad he lost my state.
Putin’s foreign policy adviser says after 30-min phone call w/ Trump, the Kremlin’s still not entirely sure what his position is on Ukraine
— Thomas Grove (@tggrove) November 17, 2016
re: #469 Backwoods_Sleuth
I iz so sad he isn’t coming to MD, then.
re: #467 Patricia Kayden
My Dad is a big supporter of people leaving someplace where they’re not happy and moving elsewhere. That’s how he went from Jamaica to England to Canada and I followed his advice from Canada to the U.S. Follow your heart. If you’re not happy here, find somewhere that suits you better. I expect that the U.S. is going to get scarier for minorities like me before it gets better now that we have a White Supremacist ally in the most powerful job.
I’m all for it as well, but the problem is the false assumption that Muslim countries will be welcoming to any Muslim, which is patently false.
There’s a lot of xenophobia involving other Muslim migrants within the Muslim world. We can’t pretend that it’s non-existent.
re: #469 Backwoods_Sleuth
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Does he think that he won’t face any anti-Trump demonstrations in states he won? Is he the President of only the states he won? He didn’t win D.C. so perhaps he should move his inauguration to a state he won.
Still waiting for him to bring us all together. **rolls eyes**
What Bernie will never ever acknowledge is that the white working class started trending to the Republicans early as the late 60’s when Nixon embraced the Southern Strategy. The Southern Strategy wasn’t just Southern though in its scope, it also brought in a lot of blue collar Northern Dems too. Reagan had a big role in that too. And Trump ahs perfected it. So many white working class voters think that they should get economic benefits but “those people” shouldn’t. Bernie isn’t helping.
re: #462 Patricia Kayden
Absolutely perfect. Just read a great article about how to deal with Trump which advises that we take him at his word.
Reminds me of this, from Tablet magazine (emphasis mine):
The first, and most obvious, is this: Treat every poisoned word as a promise. When a bigoted blusterer tells you he intends to force members of a religious minority to register with the authorities—much like those friends and family of Siegfried’s who stayed behind were forced to do before their horizon grew darker—believe him. Don’t try to be clever. Don’t lean on political intricacies or legislative minutia or historical precedents for comfort. Don’t write it off as propaganda, or explain it away as just an empty proclamation meant simply to pave the path to power. Take the haters at their word, and assume the worst is imminent. […]
re: #473 Backwoods_Sleuth
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He probably still doesn’t know what Ukraine is. He probably confused them by acting like Ukraine was some province.
re: #475 electrotek
I wasn’t even thinking about Muslim countries. I was thinking about a more liberal country like Canada or Western Europe or perhaps even the Caribbean. But that’s just me.
re: #473 Backwoods_Sleuth
Putin’s foreign policy adviser says after 30-min phone call w/ Trump, the Kremlin’s still not entirely sure what his position is on Ukraine
— Thomas Grove
Trump talked with Putin for 30 minutes? Sounds long for someone uninformed like Dump.
re: #481 Patricia Kayden
I wasn’t even thinking about Muslim countries. I was thinking about a more liberal country like Canada or Western Europe or perhaps even the Caribbean. But that’s just me.
I hear ya, but he said he wanted to be with other Muslims though.
re: #393 Ziggy_TARDIS
I want to be with other Muslims.
And I have no idea where I could go for that and be accepted. :’(
re: #481 Patricia Kayden
I wasn’t even thinking about Muslim countries. I was thinking about a more liberal country like Canada or Western Europe or perhaps even the Caribbean. But that’s just me.
Zig’s got his heart set on Muslim countries which is why they’re being discussed.
I am awaiting for Trump’s first conversation with the Slovak amabssador or PM and him going “You know my wife’s from your country.”*
*Fun fact, I’m among a select few of Americans who can trace their ancestry to both Slovakia and Slovenia
re: #469 Backwoods_Sleuth
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re: #478 CuriousLurker
From your link: “His simple heart advised him to take the thugs at their word and leave.”
That is powerful. Thanks for another article that I’m going to bookmark so I can read over and over as I survive Trump.
Seems to me that Sessions would be even worse than Ashcroft.
Right wing “comedy” incoming:
If Trump wants an Indian Sec of State, how about Tonto?
— Ann Coulter (@AnnCoulter) November 17, 2016
jeebus
Donald Trump’s Lawyers Demand Details on Jury Screening in Trump University Case https://t.co/krtsfRJxjg @realDonaldTrump #trump2016 #potus pic.twitter.com/mpQlllDjiT
On Wednesday, Donald Trump’s lawyers at O’Melveny & Myers filed an unusual motion to take a closer look at the more than 100 prospective jurors who will be considered for the panel in San Diego federal court. The O’Melveny team wants to know how the jurors were summoned and selected, any lists, questionnaires or documents that were used, transcripts, who conducted the screening and whether jurors were given the “name or nature of the case.”
The motion, which invokes the 1968 Jury Selection and Service Act, comes after Trump’s lead attorney, Daniel Petrocelli, insisted at a hearing last week that he be allowed more time to review juror questionnaires. Petrocelli also asked for a chance to conduct voir dire outside the presence of the other jurors “given the unique circumstances in this case.”
re: #473 Backwoods_Sleuth
That’s because they spent 20 minutes trying to translate “Bigly” and “Buhlieveme”.
re: #490 HappyWarrior
Seems to me that Sessions would be even worse than Ashcroft.
Sessions: OK, I’m in! AG rules! Let’s do this! Who else we got?
Trump: For what?
Sessions: The other cabinet posts.
Trump:
Sessions: Who we got for Treasury, State? Defense?
Trump: Think you can do one of those, too? That’s legal, right?
re: #492 Backwoods_Sleuth
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more:
According to the lead plaintiffs’ attorney in the case, Patrick Coughlin, who is of counsel at Robbins Geller Rudman & Dowd, Trump’s motion is just another attempt to get out of the trial.
Trump’s lawyers have a pending request to delay the trial until after his inauguration on Jan. 20, and the Jury Act allows civil litigants to stay the proceedings prior to voir dire should the process fail to select a “fair cross section of the community.”
U.S. District Judge Gonzalo Curiel, who has denied previous attempts to delay the trial, has set a hearing on that request this Friday.
Coughlin also noted the initial jury pool gets selected based on voter registration records.
“You know whether they voted or not, because that’s a matter of public record, and you know if they’re registered Democrat or Republican,” said Coughlin, who is due to respond to Trump’s request on Thursday.
That information could be critical in this case, especially since the general rules are that lawyers can’t ask direct questions about a juror’s political affiliations or whom they voted for, Ferguson said. Even so, Ferguson said there is a wealth of public information about jurors, such as their political donations.
re: #494 nines09
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That car looks a little better than I think we’ll end up after Dumpster.
re: #118 goddamnedfrank
Either Mr. Rothwell is an incredibly bad journalist even by the modern low standards of the profession or there’s a coverup going on. The Telegraph changed the quote in that article without any explanation given whatsoever.
.@JamesERothwell Can you explain why the Lewandowski quote in the linked article was altered without notice given? https://t.co/KJRLfyJb3h pic.twitter.com/1UzO8PMGD9
— Franksgiving (@goddamnedfrank) November 17, 2016
re: #469 Backwoods_Sleuth
Per @ivancouronne pool report, Trump advance director told press Trump will embark on a “victory tour” of states he won
Praise Jebus, we won’t see his ass here in Virginia.
re: #494 nines09
Too much of the car is still visible. We’re talking about a wreck where all that is left is a pile of metal so twisted that it’s unrecognizable as a car.
re: #503 Patricia Kayden
Sorry about that. That’s what I get for jumping into a conversation before reading all the comments!! Perhaps Morocco? I have a SIL fro there and from what she says, it seems like a laid back country although it is majority Muslim.
It’s cool. No worries. I don’t know too much about Muslim countries and which would be good.
re: #503 Patricia Kayden
Sorry about that. That’s what I get for jumping into a conversation before reading all the comments!! Perhaps Morocco? I have a SIL fro there and from what she says, it seems like a laid back country although it is majority Muslim.
Like people/countries everywhere, some are laid back and some are not.
Muslim countries may share a religion, but they each practice it in their own way based on their unique culture, outlook and political situation—it can be as rigid or flexible as any religion.
re: #484 HappyWarrior
Zig’s got his heart set on Muslim countries which is why they’re being discussed.
How about Tunisia?
That’s the big success story of Arab spring, they’ve grasped the basics of pluralistic society with minority rights, etc. Also, they have very nice beaches.
re: #503 Patricia Kayden
Sorry about that. That’s what I get for jumping into a conversation before reading all the comments!! Perhaps Morocco? I have a SIL fro there and from what she says, it seems like a laid back country although it is majority Muslim.
I honestly think he should look into teaching English overseas for a few years.
re: #482 Sir John Barron
Trump talked with Putin for 30 minutes? Sounds long for someone uninformed like Dump.
He probably never shut up.
re: #325 Eventual Carrion
Then take out life insurance policy on the “child” as soon as conception is proven. Since only 30% of conception results in a live birth your chances of payoff is WAY higher than playing the lottery.
I like to call the ones that don’t make it “God’s Abortions,” and point out that either I am right about that or God designed a very inefficient reproduction system 😝
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