Video: White Supremacists at Pro-Trump Conference in Washington DC Give Nazi Salutes and Shout “Hail Trump!”

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The election of Donald Trump has set loose some very dark forces in this country.

The white supremacist/neo-Nazi organization with the innocuous-sounding name “National Policy Institute” held a conference last weekend at the Ronald Reagan Building in Washington DC.

Today The Atlantic posted this video of the event, and it’s absolutely spine-chilling as the conference attendees respond to leader Richard Spencer’s cries of “Hail Trump, hail our people, hail victory!” with Nazi salutes.

The restaurant where these neo-Nazis held a meeting on Friday night apologized today, and pledged to donate their entire proceeds from that night to the Anti-Defamation League. Here’s their Facebook statement:

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UPDATE at 11/21/16 2:51:54 pm by Charles Johnson

Imagine my surprise to see a writer for Breitbart “News” actually trying to say these neo-Nazi “sieg heil” salutes were just pranks on the media.

Breitbart’s John Binder deleted his original tweet to Rosie Gray, but he proceeded to rant some more on this subject.

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scottslemmons  Nov 21, 2016 • 2:23:35pm

“Hail”? Or “Heil”?

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FormerDirtDart  Nov 21, 2016 • 2:25:18pm

Repost from downstairs

“…The order was handed down by District Judge Barbara Crabb, appointed by Jimmy Carter, and Circuit Judge Kenneth Ripple, appointed by Ronald Reagan, who wrote the decision. District Judge William Griesbach, appointed by George W. Bush, dissented.

The three judges found that Act 43, which carved out new districts for the state Assembly, was written to hurt Democrats.

“It is clear that the drafters got what they intended to get. There is no question that Act 43 was designed to make it more difficult for Democrats, compared with Republicans, to translate their votes into seats,” Ripple wrote…”

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jaunte  Nov 21, 2016 • 2:27:30pm
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 21, 2016 • 2:28:17pm

Just wait until his Victory Tour gets rolling. Of course, this will only be his first Victory Tour, we can just call it the V-1…

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Myron Falwell (no relation)  Nov 21, 2016 • 2:29:58pm

What’s exceptionally chilling is that (according to the Facebook post above) the Nutzi Propagation Institute deliberately lied and booked the restaurant under a fake name with only a few hours notice.

How can you prepare to properly respond to a tactic like that?

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Patricia Kayden  Nov 21, 2016 • 2:30:13pm

I received an email from Maggiano’s with the same language as highlighted in the post. The apology seems sincere so I’ll go back there. They have delicious Italian food so there is that.

re: #3 jaunte

Wouldn’t White Nationalism lead to White Separatism anyways? I’m sure that White Nationalists don’t want to live around brown/black folks. Not sure why making a distinction is important anyways.

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KGxvi  Nov 21, 2016 • 2:30:18pm

re: #2 FormerDirtDart

There is part of me that wonders if proportional representation in the legislature might actually be a better way.

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FormerDirtDart  Nov 21, 2016 • 2:31:27pm

“…”It was like a f—ing firing squad,” said one source.

“Trump started with Jeff Zucker and said I hate your network, everyone at CNN is a liar and you should be ashamed….

“The meeting was a total disaster. The TV execs and anchors went in there thinking they would be discussing the access they would get to the Trump administration, but instead they got a Trump-style dressing down,” the source added…”

“…A second source confirmed the encounter.

“The meeting took place in a big board room and there were about 30 or 40 people, including the big news anchors from all the networks…,” the source said.

“Trump kept saying, ‘We’re in a room of liars, the deceitful dishonest media who got it all wrong. He addressed everyone in the room calling the media dishonest, deceitful liars. He called out Jeff Zucker by name and said everyone at CNN was a liar, and CNN was network of liars…”

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jaunte  Nov 21, 2016 • 2:31:36pm

re: #6 Patricia Kayden

It’s the elimination part.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 21, 2016 • 2:32:00pm

re: #7 KGxvi

There is part of me that wonders if proportional representation in the legislature might actually be a better way.

Germans split their Parliament 50/50: half are elected directly from districts, half are assigned proportionally based on the share of votes their part receives in the election.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 21, 2016 • 2:32:09pm

Jesus Christ this disturbs the hell of me.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 21, 2016 • 2:33:06pm

re: #8 FormerDirtDart

Trump exploded at media bigs in an off-the-record Trump Tower powow

In response to my own question upthread…this is in no way normal in any sense of the word.

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makeitstop  Nov 21, 2016 • 2:33:13pm

re: #8 FormerDirtDart

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There’s your throwdown, Big Media. You gonna take this shit?

What am I saying? Of course you will.

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allegro  Nov 21, 2016 • 2:33:31pm

re: #11 HappyWarrior

Jesus Christ this disturbs the hell of me.

Trump’s treatment of the press? I think it’s kinda wonderful and freaking hilarious.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 21, 2016 • 2:33:45pm

Spencer is a more disturbing David Duke.

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freetoken  Nov 21, 2016 • 2:33:53pm

re: #8 FormerDirtDart

If true, this is a clear attempt at mind control.

The thing is, as I noted downstairs, these media folk are all part of a large corporation.

Note that Trump didn’t call in the execs of the companies. Just the news operation folk.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 21, 2016 • 2:33:59pm

re: #14 allegro

Trump’s treatment of the press? I think it’s kinda wonderful and freaking hilarious.

No, Spencer.

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allegro  Nov 21, 2016 • 2:34:36pm

re: #17 HappyWarrior

No, Spencer.

Ah. We agree on that one bigly.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 21, 2016 • 2:34:46pm

Spencer was at the RNC correct?

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jaunte  Nov 21, 2016 • 2:34:50pm
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ObserverArt  Nov 21, 2016 • 2:34:53pm

Well big TV media, you gave him all that free TV time, you danced around his issues while you were tough on Clinton emails, you created the monster to a large degree, so it is pretty hard to feel sorry for you in any way. So, I don’t.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 21, 2016 • 2:35:00pm

re: #18 allegro

Ah. We agree on that one bigly.

It’s like watching a Nazi speech, no joke.

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KGxvi  Nov 21, 2016 • 2:35:25pm

re: #10 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Germans split their Parliament 50/50: half are elected directly from districts, half are assigned proportionally based on the share of votes their part receives in the election.

I know a lot of European countries use some form of proportional representation. My concern with it, is that it tends to make parties stronger and my libertarian instincts are to distrust institutions, including political parties. So, I’m not sure that getting rid (or even limiting) district based first past the post elections. That’s obviously not to say that it has no value, but it something that would be quite foreign to the American experience.

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allegro  Nov 21, 2016 • 2:36:02pm

re: #22 HappyWarrior

It’s like watching a Nazi speech, no joke.

Because it is a Nazi speech.

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CuriousLurker  Nov 21, 2016 • 2:36:16pm

Hopefully Charles will add this—it was part of the conference and needs to be seen:

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HappyWarrior  Nov 21, 2016 • 2:36:44pm

re: #24 allegro

Because it is a Nazi speech.

I know. I mean damn. Now I know what the people who witnessed the rise of Hitler felt like.

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FormerDirtDart  Nov 21, 2016 • 2:37:19pm
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CuriousLurker  Nov 21, 2016 • 2:38:18pm

Speaking of Trump, learn this name: Rebekah Mercer

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ObserverArt  Nov 21, 2016 • 2:38:19pm

re: #15 HappyWarrior

Spencer is a more disturbing David Duke.

To me he is just the same. A younger version, but at one time Duke was sold as the younger version of classic 50s/60s Klan, less rough around the edges and a better speaker, doesn’t wear the robes, etc. etc.

What is disturbing is another generation is going to open their ears to the hatred. No one learns. Pretty sure that means no one wants to. Put it as another characteristic of “the original sin.”

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DanielKi  Nov 21, 2016 • 2:41:52pm

re: #10 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Germans split their Parliament 50/50: half are elected directly from districts, half are assigned proportionally based on the share of votes their part receives in the election.

Right, that change was one of many lessons we took from Weimar times, where it was 100% by party list.

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Myron Falwell (no relation)  Nov 21, 2016 • 2:42:20pm

re: #16 freetoken

If true, this is a clear attempt at mind control.

The thing is, as I noted downstairs, these media folk are all part of a large corporation.

Note that Trump didn’t call in the execs of the companies. Just the news operation folk.

It HAS to be mind-control. No one in his position should be dressing down CNN as a “network of liars,” when he’s been their biggest beneficiary of their bullshit propaganda.

It’s as if he’s in fucking self-destruct mode.

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allegro  Nov 21, 2016 • 2:45:28pm

re: #31 Myron Falwell (no relation)

It HAS to be mind-control. No one in his position should be dressing down CNN as a “network of liars.”

It’s as if he’s in fucking self-destruct mode.

He does not want that job. I’ve never been convinced that he will be sworn in on Jan. 20.

Evening news could be interesting this evening. Wonder how this will be played?

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freetoken  Nov 21, 2016 • 2:45:47pm

I guess we’ll see how the news coverage changes in the next day or so, in regards to the fallout from this meeting.

Rose and Dickerson are old hands at reporting on the DC crowd. I wonder what they thought of all of this.

Chuck Todd is probably the most easily influenced of the lot.

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Eventual Carrion  Nov 21, 2016 • 2:46:00pm

re: #8 FormerDirtDart

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And none of them had the balls to stand up and “Fuck you scumbag!”. Fucking cowards. Stepehen Colbert was right about those gutless fucks.

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darthstar  Nov 21, 2016 • 2:46:38pm

‘Off the record’ doesn’t mean what it used to, apparently.

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allegro  Nov 21, 2016 • 2:47:21pm

re: #34 Eventual Carrion

And none of them had the balls to stand up and “Fuck you scumbag!”. Fucking cowards. Stepehen Colbert was right about those gutless fucks.

I imagine they were stunned. Nobody has a playbook that addresses this insanity.

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goddamnedfrank  Nov 21, 2016 • 2:47:28pm

re: #8 FormerDirtDart

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LOL, serves Zucker right since he did the most to legitimize Trump as a candidate throughout the election, hired Lewandowski, etc. Seriously, I’m glad that he got an in his face dose of what he helped enable, fuck that guy.

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No Depression  Nov 21, 2016 • 2:47:38pm

re: #31 Myron Falwell (no relation)

It HAS to be mind-control. No one in his position should be dressing down CNN as a “network of liars.”

It’s as if he’s in fucking self-destruct mode.

I can see this backfiring on him. Before this meeting, I’m sure the cable media would’ve happily sucked him off for access, but now they might reconsider that. Media people might be spineless these days, but no one likes being yelled at. We shall see what happens.

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jhncsy  Nov 21, 2016 • 2:49:15pm

re: #8 FormerDirtDart

Jesus Christ. I wish I could say this gives me hope that Trump pissing on the media will give them an objective view of the situation, but I doubt it.

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freetoken  Nov 21, 2016 • 2:50:14pm

re: #38 No Depression

They’re all so desperate to get an advantage on each other that I suspect that Trump will be able to play one off the other easily.

He already has.

By calling all of them together at the same time, he’s already playing mind games with them.

The subtle message he sent them is this: You might be left out of this group next time if you don’t obey.

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No Depression  Nov 21, 2016 • 2:51:06pm

re: #40 freetoken

They’re all so desperate to get an advantage on each other that I suspect that Trump will be able to play one off the other easily.

He already has.

By calling all of them together at the same time, he’s already playing mind games with them.

The subtle message he sent them is this: You might be left out of this group next time if you don’t obey.

You’re probably right. The media can’t be counted on.

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jaunte  Nov 21, 2016 • 2:51:19pm
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Myron Falwell (no relation)  Nov 21, 2016 • 2:52:48pm

re: #42 jaunte

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It’s because they are one and the same.

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Charles Johnson  Nov 21, 2016 • 2:53:33pm
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Charles Johnson  Nov 21, 2016 • 2:54:09pm
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BeachDem  Nov 21, 2016 • 2:55:31pm

re: #38 No Depression

I can see this backfiring on him. Before this meeting, I’m sure the cable media would’ve happily sucked him off for access, but now they might reconsider that. Media people might be spineless these days, but no one likes being yelled at. We shall see what happens.

He yelled at them throughout the campaign, called them liars, singled out specific reporters, called on his hordes to intimidate the press corps. and still they covered his every move and word instead of investigating his bullshit when it would have mattered—exception for Fahrenthold and Eichenberg.

Now that they’ve helped make him president, they’re not about to stand up and be counted. (Here’s hoping I’m wrong, but I don’t think I am.)

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Barefoot Grin  Nov 21, 2016 • 2:55:49pm

Tepco says the cooling pool in reactor no.3 of the Dai-ni plant is off but no immediate danger.

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allegro  Nov 21, 2016 • 2:55:53pm

re: #45 Charles Johnson

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Don’t believe your lying eyes!

Getting real sick of this gaslighting shit.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Nov 21, 2016 • 2:56:57pm

re: #47 Barefoot Grin

Tepco says the cooling pool in reactor no.3 of the Dai-ni plant is off but no immediate danger.

mr. klys’s translation of the news coverage was “they’re saying it’s difficult see how it would actually develop into a problem.”

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jaunte  Nov 21, 2016 • 2:57:31pm

“I got a chuckle out of all the moralists in Congress and in the media who expressed public outrage at the president’s immoral behavior.

I happen to know that one U.S. senator leading the pack of attackers spent more than a few nights with his twenty-something girlfriend at a hotel I own. There’s also a conservative columnist, married, who was particularly rough on Clinton in this regard. He also brought his girlfriend to my resorts for the weekend.”

Who might we be talking about here? “My lips are permanently sealed,” Trump said when we called. Not even going to offer hints or any information about how he knows. But all these folks “are lucky it’s me,” and not someone less discreet, he opined.

When you check in, smile for the camera?
washingtonpost.com

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Charles Johnson  Nov 21, 2016 • 2:58:44pm
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Barefoot Grin  Nov 21, 2016 • 3:00:53pm

re: #49 klys (maker of Silmarils)

mr. klys’s translation of the news coverage was “they’re saying it’s difficult see how it would actually develop into a problem.”

NHK says the 2500 or so rods are in a pool of water and won’t reach upper limits (65 degrees c., I think) for about a week.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Nov 21, 2016 • 3:01:51pm

I don’t really see how “LOL they’re trolling” is a better argument.

re: #52 Barefoot Grin

NHK says the 2500 or so rods are in a pool of water and won’t reach upper limits (65 degrees c., I think) for about a week.

mr. klys informs me the news says the pump has restarted. I’m assuming he’s talking about the cooling pool pump.

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Barefoot Grin  Nov 21, 2016 • 3:01:52pm

re: #52 Barefoot Grin

NHK says the 2500 or so rods are in a pool of water and won’t reach upper limits (65 degrees c., I think) for about a week.

Not sure about my accuracy on temp., the one week part is accurate, I think.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Nov 21, 2016 • 3:02:50pm

re: #53 klys (maker of Silmarils)

mr. klys informs me the news says the pump has restarted. I’m assuming he’s talking about the cooling pool pump.

Confirmation from a less distracted source:

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No Depression  Nov 21, 2016 • 3:03:31pm

re: #53 klys (maker of Silmarils)

I don’t really see how “LOL they’re trolling” is a better argument.

mr. klys informs me the news says the pump has restarted. I’m assuming he’s talking about the cooling pool pump.

It isn’t. Even if they are “trolling”, it’s still normalizing a hateful ideology that should have no place in a pluralistic society.

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Barefoot Grin  Nov 21, 2016 • 3:03:44pm

Yes, I just saw that update.

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Patricia Kayden  Nov 21, 2016 • 3:06:07pm

re: #8 FormerDirtDart

CNN and other cable news outlets will have to kiss his buttocks more firmly and I’m sure they’re up to that task. It’s not as if they didn’t help him to get elected by publicizing his every fart and burp and by letting his surrogates get away with baldfaced lies. They’ll just have to try harder to appease him.

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Skip Intro  Nov 21, 2016 • 3:09:27pm

re: #58 Patricia Kayden

Sean Hannity is the standard they will all have to strive to attain.

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Nov 21, 2016 • 3:11:26pm

Donald Trump scolded media big shots during an off-the-record Trump Tower sitdown on Monday, sources told The Post.

“It was like a f-ing firing squad,” one source said of the encounter.

“Trump started with [CNN chief] Jeff Zucker and said ‘I hate your network, everyone at CNN is a liar and you should be ashamed,’ ” the source said.

“The meeting was a total disaster. The TV execs and anchors went in there thinking they would be discussing the access they would get to the Trump administration, but instead they got a Trump-style dressing down,” the source added.

A second source confirmed the fireworks.

“The meeting took place in a big board room and there were about 30 or 40 people, including the big news anchors from all the networks,” the other source said.

“Trump kept saying, ‘We’re in a room of liars, the deceitful dishonest media who got it all wrong.’ He addressed everyone in the room calling the media dishonest, deceitful liars. He called out Jeff Zucker by name and said everyone at CNN was a liar, and CNN was [a] network of liars,” the source said.

“Trump didn’t say [NBC reporter] Katy Tur by name, but talked about an NBC female correspondent who got it wrong, then he referred to a horrible network correspondent who cried when Hillary lost who hosted a debate - which was Martha Raddatz who was also in the room.”

The stunned reporters tried to get a word in edgewise to discuss access to a Trump Administration.

nypost.com

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HappyWarrior  Nov 21, 2016 • 3:11:58pm

re: #51 Charles Johnson

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Yeah I’m sure Binder would have the same reaction if left wingers “trolled” with Heil Obama or Clinton. Any Jewish person who continues to work for Breitbart is a useful idiot at best, a willing tool for bigots at worst.

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KGxvi  Nov 21, 2016 • 3:13:08pm

re: #8 FormerDirtDart

The media is all about rating, and I’m fairly certain the inevitable “President Trump has violated the Constitution and should be impeached” story they are all now working on, followed by the breathless coverage of Trump’s impeachment and trial, will be more than enough to stoke the ratings.

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freetoken  Nov 21, 2016 • 3:13:17pm

re: #60 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

The stunned reporters tried to get a word in edgewise to discuss access to a Trump Administration.

nypost.com

The operative word is “access”. DC news, and much of our hierarchical society, is all about access.

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electrotek  Nov 21, 2016 • 3:13:36pm

re: #61 HappyWarrior

Yeah I’m sure Binder would have the same reaction if left wingers “trolled” with Heil Obama or Clinton. Any Jewish person who continues to work for Breitbart is a useful idiot at best, a willing tool for bigots at worst.

Kind of like MuslimsForTrump

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wrenchwench  Nov 21, 2016 • 3:13:38pm
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BeachDem  Nov 21, 2016 • 3:13:48pm

HuffPo continues with strong headlines:

HATE WITH A NEW HAIRCUT
Inside The Trump-Loving, White Nationalist ‘Alt-Right’ Movement

I’m not even a big HuffPo fan, but they have been truly relentless on Trump throughout.

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jaunte  Nov 21, 2016 • 3:14:16pm

re: #60 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

CNN is downplaying it, but Kellyanne Conway called the meeting “cordial, candid and honest. which would tend to support the Post’s report.

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jaunte  Nov 21, 2016 • 3:14:51pm

“Honest” is when Trump gets to yell at people for something he doesn’t like.

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Skip Intro  Nov 21, 2016 • 3:15:30pm

re: #60 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

How long will it be before the media decides to have a daily pledge of allegiance to President Trump at 7am and 11pm?

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Charles Johnson  Nov 21, 2016 • 3:15:42pm
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Patricia Kayden  Nov 21, 2016 • 3:15:42pm

re: #59 Skip Intro

And that’s a pretty high standard since Hannity’s lips are permanently affixed to Trump’s backside. But I’m sure the Chuck Todds and Mark Halperins of cable news are more than up for that challenge. How low will they go to normalize Trump’s regime? We will soon see.

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Jenner7  Nov 21, 2016 • 3:16:25pm
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Charles Johnson  Nov 21, 2016 • 3:16:50pm
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freetoken  Nov 21, 2016 • 3:18:51pm

re: #70 Charles Johnson

But a source in the room said there was “real progress” made with regards to media access to Trump and his administration.

There are so many ways to interpret this.

Who was the source? What is “progress”.

If the source is part of the Trump machine, then “progress” might mean something quite different than it would for you and me.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Nov 21, 2016 • 3:19:52pm

Highest tsunami yet reported, 1m40cm in Sendai port.

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CuriousLurker  Nov 21, 2016 • 3:20:16pm

Okay, that’s enough Von ClownStick for me for today.

Later, lizards.

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Patricia Kayden  Nov 21, 2016 • 3:20:22pm

re: #72 Jenner7

Given how thin skinned Trump is, I tend to believe that he yelled at reporters/journalists for not praising him enough. Remember when he asked a CNN reporter why he hadn’t congratulated him on winning a state during the Republican primaries? He craves praise and I could see him going on a rant if he perceives that he’s not getting enough adoration.

Our fellow Americans have elected a raging narcissist. This is not going to end well.

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freetoken  Nov 21, 2016 • 3:20:51pm

Notice who claims it was a cordial meeting:

Conway said the meeting was “very cordial, candid and honest.”

And Baghdad Bob made claims too…

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 21, 2016 • 3:21:31pm

re: #77 Patricia Kayden

Our fellow Americans have elected a raging narcissist. This is not going to end well.

It will if the Narcissist in Chief has the Press to help him identify and persecute surrogate scapegoats for his failings.

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makeitstop  Nov 21, 2016 • 3:21:38pm

re: #62 KGxvi

The media is all about rating, and I’m fairly certain the inevitable “President Trump has violated the Constitution and should be impeached” story they are all now working on, followed by the breathless coverage of Trump’s impeachment and trial, will be more than enough to stoke the ratings.

You’ve got a lot more faith in that pack of weasels than I do.

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electrotek  Nov 21, 2016 • 3:21:56pm

re: #77 Patricia Kayden

Given how thin skinned Trump is, I tend to believe that he yelled at reporters/journalists for not praising him enough. Remember when he asked a CNN reporter why he hadn’t congratulated him on winning a state during the Republican primaries? He craves praise and I could see him going on a rant if he perceives that he’s not getting enough adoration.

Our fellow Americans have elected a raging narcissist. This is not going to end well.

And even if he is impeached and removed from office, we still have Pence to deal with.

We are truly screwed for the next 4 years.

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Skip Intro  Nov 21, 2016 • 3:23:21pm

re: #81 electrotek

We’ll be suffering the effects of Trump a lot longer than 4 years.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 21, 2016 • 3:24:03pm

re: #81 electrotek

And even if he is impeached and removed from office, we still have Pence to deal with.

We are truly screwed for the next 4 years.

Pence in some ways may even be worse. Really disturbs me how this still happened. We need to find a great candidate to run against Trump in 2020 and wipeout the Republicans on the state and federal level. The alt-right needs to be punched back.

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makeitstop  Nov 21, 2016 • 3:25:30pm

re: #73 Charles Johnson

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So we can conclude that CNN was sufficiently cowed, then.

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meteor  Nov 21, 2016 • 3:27:52pm

I was feeling positive for a while. Now I’m back to wishing I could remember enough French to scoot off to Quebec.

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electrotek  Nov 21, 2016 • 3:27:53pm

re: #83 HappyWarrior

Pence in some ways may even be worse. Really disturbs me how this still happened. We need to find a great candidate to run against Trump in 2020 and wipeout the Republicans on the state and federal level. The alt-right needs to be punched back.

No Sanders or Gabbards please.

If only Keith Ellison would run for President.

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BeachDem  Nov 21, 2016 • 3:28:19pm

re: #70 Charles Johnson

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Based on the way Trump behaved toward the press and how he talked about them throughout the campaign, which seems more likely?
A. The Post story, which totally replicates his previous behavior
or
B. Kellyanne Liar’s report that the meeting was “very cordial, candid and honest.” While there was “no need to mend fences,” she said, “from my own perspective, it is great to hit the reset button, it was a long, hard-fought campaign.”

I’m going with A.

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electrotek  Nov 21, 2016 • 3:28:37pm

re: #85 meteor

I was feeling positive for a while. Now I’m back to wishing I could remember enough French to scoot off to Quebec.

Hate to be the bearer of bad news, but Quebec isn’t immune from Trumpism either. In fact, Quebec is worse than the rest of Canada for its xenophobia and rampant Islamophobia.

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meteor  Nov 21, 2016 • 3:30:04pm

re: #88 electrotek

Oh, fromage. :(

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freetoken  Nov 21, 2016 • 3:30:19pm
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allegro  Nov 21, 2016 • 3:30:57pm

re: #85 meteor

I was feeling positive for a while. Now I’m back to wishing I could remember enough French to scoot off to Quebec.

I went through a box of old family stuff today and found my dad’s birth certificate that stated his father’s Canadian birth. Made me go hmmm. Don’t know what the immigration laws are there but I’m hanging on to that birth certificate.

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William Lewis  Nov 21, 2016 • 3:31:22pm

re: #88 electrotek

Hate to be the bearer of bad news, but Quebec isn’t immune from Trumpism either. In fact, Quebec is worse than the rest of Canada for its xenophobia and rampant Islamophobia.

How about Ontario if I should get desperate enough? I’d need to find a really liberal anglican parish though…

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HappyWarrior  Nov 21, 2016 • 3:31:54pm

re: #86 electrotek

No Sanders or Gabbards please.

If only Keith Ellison would run for President.

Believe me, both of those are low on my list. I do think Keith will do good as DNC chair though I am skeptical about a sitting member of Congress again but he can’t be worse than DWS.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 21, 2016 • 3:32:26pm

re: #90 freetoken

This is a headline:

Verify: Can Kanye West run for President in 2020?

Of course it is. Trump proved that any asshole no matter how unqualified can run.

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wrenchwench  Nov 21, 2016 • 3:32:41pm
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Unshaken Defiance  Nov 21, 2016 • 3:33:36pm

re: #14 allegro

Trump’s treatment of the press? I think it’s kinda wonderful and freaking hilarious.

What it is most importantly is that it is telling, indicative of how small that personality is under all the money and power. He is easily angered and that means easily manipulated.

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jhncsy  Nov 21, 2016 • 3:34:00pm

re: #62 KGxvi

The media is all about rating, and I’m fairly certain the inevitable “President Trump has violated the Constitution and should be impeached” story they are all now working on, followed by the breathless coverage of Trump’s impeachment and trial, will be more than enough to stoke the ratings.

“Republican Candidate Has Ties to White Supremacists”

“Republican Candidate Regularly Assaults Women and Teenagers”

“Republican Candidate Failed Rich Boy Businessman who Consumes Actual Hardworking Americans for Sustenance”

“Republican Candidate Subverted by Russians, Like It’s the Cold War Again”

Seriously, there were a hundred different scandals the media could have followed up. And this was the guy who regularly shit on the press and made them stand in a little box while his supporters howled for their blood. And even then, the media wanted to chase those goddamn emails. Trump could literally start pasting yellow stars on Jewish people and the media would try to talk about “both sides.”

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William Lewis  Nov 21, 2016 • 3:34:36pm

re: #86 electrotek

No Sanders or Gabbards please.

If only Keith Ellison would run for President.

This nation will not be ready in his lifetime, alas. Our best hope is for him to become Senate Majority Leader where he’d have real power to do good without the scum realizing what he’d done.

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Barefoot Grin  Nov 21, 2016 • 3:34:45pm

re: #95 wrenchwench

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Mr. Trump has continued to have in his name statements made claiming that he has always denounced racism, the accuracy of which this statement confirms….

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BeachDem  Nov 21, 2016 • 3:35:38pm

Tell us how you really feel about Spencer, HuffPo.
The ‘Alt-Right’ Is A Hate Movement, And It’s Scarier Than You Think
Even though he’s nearing 40, Spencer is so good at playing wonky millennial it makes you want to vomit. Think of him as an Ezra Klein for people who wouldn’t mind putting people named Ezra Klein on a train. He’s active on social media ― that is, until he’s kicked off of it for hate speech ― and loves calling mainstream Republicans “basic bitch conservatives.”
huffingtonpost.com
.

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Charles Johnson  Nov 21, 2016 • 3:35:59pm

Wow, that John Binder creep is a real piece of work. I just took a run through his Twitter timeline and it’s non-stop hate-spewing.

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Jebediah, RBG  Nov 21, 2016 • 3:36:07pm

re: #87 BeachDem

I’m going with A.

Yes. A douchebag doesn’t change his spots - especially when it has been working perfectly for him.

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wrenchwench  Nov 21, 2016 • 3:37:00pm

re: #99 Barefoot Grin

Mr. Trump has continued to have in his name statements made claiming that he has always denounced racism, the accuracy of which this statement confirms….

While his supporters say, ‘He’ll only give them more publicity by mentioning them.’

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William Lewis  Nov 21, 2016 • 3:37:02pm

re: #100 BeachDem

Tell us how you really feel about Spencer, HuffPo.
The ‘Alt-Right’ Is A Hate Movement, And It’s Scarier Than You Think
Even though he’s nearing 40, Spencer is so good at playing wonky millennial it makes you want to vomit. Think of him as an Ezra Klein for people who wouldn’t mind putting people named Ezra Klein on a train. He’s active on social media ― that is, until he’s kicked off of it for hate speech ― and loves calling mainstream Republicans “basic bitch conservatives.”
huffingtonpost.com
.

Never cared for them much but goddamn, I love how they’ve found their inner bulldog.

Resist!

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BeachDem  Nov 21, 2016 • 3:38:41pm

re: #95 wrenchwench

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Yeah—I was wondering when this big denoucement had happened.

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Mike Lamb  Nov 21, 2016 • 3:39:47pm

Why would the folks at the meeting sit through that shit?

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freetoken  Nov 21, 2016 • 3:41:42pm

re: #106 Mike Lamb

Why would the folks at the meeting sit through that shit?

Because they have needs.

They need access to Trump.

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Skip Intro  Nov 21, 2016 • 3:41:47pm

re: #106 Mike Lamb

Why would the folks at the meeting sit through that shit?

Because they all know they can easily be replaced by people with a more Trump-centric world view.

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BeachDem  Nov 21, 2016 • 3:44:47pm

re: #104 William Lewis

Never cared for them much but goddamn, I love how they’ve found their inner bulldog.

Resist!

They have been on Trump since the beginning, complete with their disclaimer that ran on every Trump article during the campaign.

“Note to our readers: Donald Trump is a serial liar, rampant xenophobe, racist, birther and bully who has repeatedly pledged to ban all Muslims — 1.6 billion members of an entire religion — from entering the U.S.,”

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 21, 2016 • 3:44:51pm

re: #106 Mike Lamb

Why would the folks at the meeting sit through that shit?

Because they were too shortsighted to see this moment coming when they were busy fawning over and shilling for Trump.

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jhncsy  Nov 21, 2016 • 3:46:07pm

re: #104 William Lewis

Never cared for them much but goddamn, I love how they’ve found their inner bulldog.

Resist!

Net Neutrality is on the chopping block, isn’t it? Do you think the Trump Regime is targeting actual journalists, or is it just a horrible coincidence?

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HappyWarrior  Nov 21, 2016 • 3:46:54pm

re: #101 Charles Johnson

Wow, that John Binder creep is a real piece of work. I just took a run through his Twitter timeline and it’s non-stop hate-spewing.

I think Breitbart intentionally seeks out the worst possible people to work for them.

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freetoken  Nov 21, 2016 • 3:48:44pm

Trump transition team appointments indicate a bid to dismantle net neutrality

[…]

[Jamison] and Eisenach are both “scholars” at the American Enterprise Institute, a non-partisan think tank (I put that in quotes because while both are in fact actually professors, the term scholar in that context is a bit difficult to pin down). They also both contribute regularly to Tech Policy Daily, a right-leaning tech policy blog composed mainly of grousing at the inefficacy of the current administration and organizations like the FCC.

[…]

It’s here where I will interject that of the 5 groups called in to kiss the ring today, the NBC folk work for Comcast, the largest cable distributor, a corporation which will be pleased with what Trump will do.

Will Chuck Todd work against the interests of his Comcast overlords?

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Charles Johnson  Nov 21, 2016 • 3:48:54pm
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Unshaken Defiance  Nov 21, 2016 • 3:49:13pm

re: #104 William Lewis

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freetoken  Nov 21, 2016 • 3:50:10pm

AEI is certainly salting the machinery of government under Trump with their own pawns.

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Patricia Kayden  Nov 21, 2016 • 3:52:01pm

re: #97 jhncsy

“Trump could literally start pasting yellow stars on Jewish people and the media would try to talk about ‘both sides.’”

Or Trump could literally set up a registry for Muslims and ban Muslim immigration and the media would point to some innocuous Obama policy as comparable.

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while(1) worries++;  Nov 21, 2016 • 3:52:58pm

re: #23 KGxvi

I know a lot of European countries use some form of proportional representation. My concern with it, is that it tends to make parties stronger and my libertarian instincts are to distrust institutions, including political parties. So, I’m not sure that getting rid (or even limiting) district based first past the post elections. That’s obviously not to say that it has no value, but it something that would be quite foreign to the American experience.

Puerto Rican law has at-large representatives (a quirk I’m not fond of). It also has a provision in case one party gets a super majority. When that situation happens, more at-large representatives are added until the ruling party doesn’t have the super majority. That can help keep a check against the worst excesses (not all of them, but it’s something).

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Unshaken Defiance  Nov 21, 2016 • 3:56:09pm

re: #104 William Lewis

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Patricia Kayden  Nov 21, 2016 • 3:56:33pm

re: #114 Charles Johnson

When Trump refused to denounce David Duke’s endorsement on CNN, that was a clear sign to Neo Nazis that he’s cool with them and they heard him very clearly.

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KGxvi  Nov 21, 2016 • 3:58:09pm

re: #118 (((This is the end)))

Puerto Rican law has at-large representatives (a quirk I’m not fond of). It also has a provision in case one party gets a super majority. When that situation happens, more at-large representatives are added until the ruling party doesn’t have the super majority. That can help keep a check against the worst excesses (not all of them, but it’s something).

I could see something like having the lower chamber be proportional representation and the high chamber being district based. Which I think is usually the format that many European nations settled on in their bicameral legislatures. Again, I remain skeptical of giving the parties more power, but it’s one of those little thought experiments that someone with a political science degree does every so often.

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freetoken  Nov 21, 2016 • 4:00:41pm

In the Trump-epoch, climate change will be shown to be a conspiracy, so it seems:

Exxon Mobil Accuses the Rockefellers of a Climate Conspiracy

Exxon Mobil, under fire over its past efforts to undercut climate science, is accusing the Rockefeller family of masterminding a conspiracy against it. Yes, that Rockefeller family.

The company, which has been accused of scheming to pay surrogates to deny the threat of climate change, is trying to turn the tables by calling its opponents the real conspirators. It is fighting state attorneys general, journalists and environmental groups in an all-out campaign to defend its image.

But the oil and gas giant has directed some of its fiercest fire at the descendants of John D. Rockefeller, who in 1870 founded Standard Oil, the company that became Exxon Mobil. […]

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Ripley Rules  Nov 21, 2016 • 4:01:52pm

Trump’s Neo-Nazi minions will be his Sturmbateilung, Brownshirts in all but name who will be called upon to intimidate and silence his opponents. Be afraid. Be very afraid.

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Nov 21, 2016 • 4:02:29pm

starry eyed optimist vision of amateur fascist administration

- obamacare replaced with slightly crueler version but containing 97% less black president
- paul ryan dont you fucking touch medicare you asshole
- turnip admin bombs the shit outta isis by continuing the obama program of bombing the shit outta isis
- turnip administration claims glorious credit for banning sharia law. also, wooly mammoths kept from stampeding washington DC for second year in a row
- heeding the large amounts of cash advice of big business and its desire to make america grape again by preserving cheap, exploitable labor, turnip admin cracks down on criminal aliens slightly more than another president known to many as the “deporter in chief”
- keep your fucking hands offa medicare, paul
- large tax breaks for wealthy people blows out deficit. who could imagine that such a thing would happen???
- random bombing campaign bolster the fragile egos of those defensive about their masculinity with the only side effect being the thousands of men, women, and children cruelly blown to bits. profit! win!
- sporadic construction at u.s.-mexico border
- preznit turnip angrily denies he ever said anything about impeding the ability of corporations to send jobs and factories anywhere they like, and anybody who claims he did is a goddamned liar who is against the god given rights of capitalism as enshrined in the 46th amendment

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Charles Johnson  Nov 21, 2016 • 4:02:54pm
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while(1) worries++;  Nov 21, 2016 • 4:05:09pm

re: #113 freetoken

Trump transition team appointments indicate a bid to dismantle net neutrality

It’s here where I will interject that of the 5 groups called in to kiss the ring today, the NBC folk work for Comcast, the largest cable distributor, a corporation which will be pleased with what Trump will do.

Will Chuck Todd work against the interests of his Comcast overlords?

I doubt it.

Adding this to the (long) list of worries for the next 4 years.

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wrenchwench  Nov 21, 2016 • 4:16:14pm

re: #126 while(1) worries++;

Dang nic changes. I’m going to assign you ‘permanent hatchling’ status!

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William Lewis  Nov 21, 2016 • 4:16:45pm

re: #111 jhncsy

Net Neutrality is on the chopping block, isn’t it? Do you think the Trump Regime is targeting actual journalists, or is it just a horrible coincidence?

Once is happenstance. Twice is coincidence. Three times, it’s enemy action.

We are long since past three times with these scum.

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jhncsy  Nov 21, 2016 • 4:17:23pm

re: #117 Patricia Kayden

“Trump could literally start pasting yellow stars on Jewish people and the media would try to talk about ‘both sides.’”

Or Trump could literally set up a registry for Muslims and ban Muslim immigration and the media would point to some innocuous Obama policy as comparable.

Yes, but Muslims don’t matter in America.

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stpaulbear  Nov 21, 2016 • 4:22:09pm

re: #110 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Because they were too shortsighted to see this moment coming when they were busy fawning over and shilling for Trump.

They need to realize that they’ll never get the truth from Trump or his official agents and get their back channel sources in place. I’m hoping that the WaPo is getting itself in a position to just blast Trump. They’re not perfect but they seem to be the only newspaper that’s even trying. The NYT hasn’t figured it out yet.

I get The New Yorker. It’s a rich peoples magazine but they seem to be on a tear about Trump and his people (a New Yorker subscription costs the same as a year of digital WaPo).

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Charles Johnson  Nov 21, 2016 • 4:23:01pm

Can’t you just smell the economic anxiety?

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Belafon  Nov 21, 2016 • 4:25:32pm

Is Ryan’s new health care plan going to require my company to raise my salary by the amount they pay into my health care plan?

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Charles Johnson  Nov 21, 2016 • 4:25:40pm
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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Nov 21, 2016 • 4:26:25pm

re: #132 Belafon

Is Ryan’s new health care plan going to require my company to raise my salary by the amount they pay into my health care plan?

LOL, that’s funny.

(I laugh because otherwise I cry.)

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William Lewis  Nov 21, 2016 • 4:27:16pm

re: #115 Unshaken Defiance

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while(1) worries++;  Nov 21, 2016 • 4:27:20pm

re: #127 wrenchwench

Dang nic changes. I’m going to assign you ‘permanent hatchling’ status!

Oops. 🙊 Sorry.

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Nov 21, 2016 • 4:28:26pm

re: #131 Charles Johnson

Can’t you just smell the economic anxiety?

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oh, but the nazis will say it’s not about them, cuz theyre not racists!! oh no!!

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William Lewis  Nov 21, 2016 • 4:28:44pm

re: #119 Unshaken Defiance

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wrenchwench  Nov 21, 2016 • 4:29:03pm

re: #137 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

oh, but the nazis will say it’s not about them, cuz theyre not racists!! oh no!!

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HappyWarrior  Nov 21, 2016 • 4:29:32pm

re: #131 Charles Johnson

Can’t you just smell the economic anxiety?

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They’re really not ashamed of what they are, are they? They should be.

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Skip Intro  Nov 21, 2016 • 4:29:46pm

Protecting Donald Trump costs New York City more than $1 million a day

What a deal. It should be billed directly to the red states.

money.cnn.com

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HappyWarrior  Nov 21, 2016 • 4:30:17pm

re: #139 wrenchwench

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They’re mostly guys too. I’m a white guy too but I don’t have my head up my ass when it comes to this.

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William Lewis  Nov 21, 2016 • 4:33:12pm

re: #123 Ripley Rules

Trump’s Neo-Nazi minions will be his Sturmbateilung, Brownshirts in all but name who will be called upon to intimidate and silence his opponents. Be afraid. Be very afraid.

This is why I renewed my CCL for another 5 years. I got my card again in Saturday’s mail and if one of his SA try to give me grief, they will find, at minimum, 18 rounds of .357 Magnum disagreement - I always have at least 2 reloads with me… ;)

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The Vicious Babushka  Nov 21, 2016 • 4:34:47pm
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Alyosha  Nov 21, 2016 • 4:35:14pm

A post and run.

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William Lewis  Nov 21, 2016 • 4:35:28pm

re: #126 while(1) worries++;

OT: Exquisite new nic.

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William Lewis  Nov 21, 2016 • 4:36:57pm

re: #144 The Vicious Babushka

Amen.

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jaunte  Nov 21, 2016 • 4:37:02pm

Looks like that meeting worked for Trump.

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EPR-radar  Nov 21, 2016 • 4:37:20pm

re: #146 William Lewis

OT: Exquisite new nic.

Indeed. A sadly derivative version would be: while(Trump) worries += 1e10.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 21, 2016 • 4:37:31pm

re: #145 Alyosha

A post and run.

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Binder claims that his family fled the Nazis. Someone should ask him how he’d take it if Clinton or Obama supporters said Heil Clinton or Obama. Somehow the “We were just kidding aorund” excuse wouldn’t work. Oh and then there’s how Spencer feels about Jews. Yeah he’s just a kidder that Spencer. Fuck these Nazi pricks and those who enable them.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 21, 2016 • 4:37:51pm

re: #148 jaunte

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Looks like that meeting worked for Trump.

He has never done anything close to that.

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Eventual Carrion  Nov 21, 2016 • 4:37:59pm

Just picked off FB

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Scottishdragon  Nov 21, 2016 • 4:39:58pm

re: #143 William Lewis

This is why I renewed my CCL for another 5 years. I got my card again in Saturday’s mail and if one of his SA try to give me grief, they will find, at minimum, 18 rounds of .357 Magnum disagreement - I always have at least 2 reloads with me… ;)

I don’t blame you. The culture war is real fucking hot here in NC, and I have been considering getting my CCL. I really do not want to be another damned GLBT assault statistic. A church not 2 hours from my house actually advocated the Final Solution for folks like me. I haven’t forgotten that.

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Jenner7  Nov 21, 2016 • 4:41:01pm
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HappyWarrior  Nov 21, 2016 • 4:41:45pm

re: #153 Scottishdragon

I don’t blame you. The culture war is real fucking hot here in NC, and I have been considering getting my CCL. I really do not want to be another damned GLBT assault statistic. A church not 2 hours from my house actually advocated the Final Solution for folks like me. I haven’t forgotten that.

I have to admit. I’m probably one of the most anti-gun lizards here but these people are testing me. And man that’s awful. You shouldn’t forget that and that’s exactly why I want Bernie Sanders to shut the hell up when he tells people to stop engaging in “identity politics” and start thinking about the working class. The working class don’t have people in the pulpits wishing that on them.

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Scottishdragon  Nov 21, 2016 • 4:44:00pm

re: #155 HappyWarrior

I have to admit. I’m probably one of the most anti-gun lizards here but these people are testing me. And man that’s awful. You shouldn’t forget that and that’s exactly why I want Bernie Sanders to shut the hell up when he tells people to stop engaging in “identity politics” and start thinking about the working class. The working class don’t have people in the pulpits wishing that on them.

Re-quoted for truth.

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FormerDirtDart  Nov 21, 2016 • 4:46:01pm

“…The New York Post on Monday afternoon portrayed a much more heated meeting, including a quote from one source who said the encounter was “like a f-ing firing squad.” The Post also said Trump called CNN journalists “liars” and that they should be “ashamed.”

The source who spoke with POLITICO characterized the meeting as less intense, and said the discussion included Trump expressing the possibility of a “reset” of the tumultuous relationship between the president-elect and the media and that all he wants is “fairness.”

Asked how he defines fairness by a network executive, Trump said simply, “The truth.”

But aside from the few moments of contention in the beginning, the source said the meeting was largely substantive….”

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Scottishdragon  Nov 21, 2016 • 4:46:27pm

Here is the original story about that hate church down I-40 from me…

The barrage of anti-gay sermons delivered by North Carolina-based pastors to hit the blogosphere continues with yet another disturbing rant caught on tape.

The pastor, identified on YouTube as Charles L. Worley of Providence Road Baptist Church in Maiden, N.C., condemns President Obama’s much-publicized endorsement of same-sex marriage while calling for gays and lesbians to be put in an electrified pen and ultimately killed off.

“Build a great, big, large fence — 150 or 100 mile long — put all the lesbians in there,” Worley suggests in the clip, reportedly filmed on May 13.

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Targetpractice  Nov 21, 2016 • 4:47:02pm

Past 8 years:

Media: “President Obama needs to denounce this right away!”

Obama: “I denounce it!”

Media: “YOU TOOK TOO LONG! WE’RE GOING TO ASSUME YOU SUPPORT IT!”

This past year:

Media: “Some say Trump needs to denounce this racism!”

Trump: “I kinda, sorta denounce it, but not entirely.”

Media: “He’s denounced it! What more do you people want!?”

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William Lewis  Nov 21, 2016 • 4:47:33pm

re: #153 Scottishdragon

Do it. I would far rather read of you defending yourself than reading of you beaten or murdered. Please carry - and I know you will do it correctly - and stay safe.

Self defence is a human right. Period.

The left has often forgotten that in more pleasant times. But we can still use truth to help us.

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FormerDirtDart  Nov 21, 2016 • 4:48:12pm
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Pawn of the Oppressor  Nov 21, 2016 • 4:48:43pm

re: #123 Ripley Rules

Trump’s Neo-Nazi minions will be his Sturmbateilung, Brownshirts in all but name who will be called upon to intimidate and silence his opponents. Be afraid. Be very afraid.

Here’s the thing. I’m sick of hearing about being “afraid”.

“Why we’re afraid”
“These guys are scary”

Disturbing. Disgusting. Frightening, in an apprehension-for-the-future sense, yes. And I’m not including people feeling terrorized for real because of attacks.

But, if these guys cross the line into securing, or using, any kind of organized force… That’s when “second amendment solutions” should actually be used.

I’m armed and if some fucking Nazi comes at me thinking he’s going to cleanse the undesirables from his little Reich, even if I go down, I’m taking them with me. Simple as that.

Worried for the future of my country? Yes. Afraid? When it comes down to brass tacks - No. I will not cower.

We took care of these shitsticks once before, we can do it again.

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The Vicious Babushka  Nov 21, 2016 • 4:48:43pm

When Heil Trump says he wants “fairness” and “honesty” from the media, we know that what he really wants is to be followed around by adoring worshippers carrying little notebooks, just like Kim Jong Un but MOAR BIGLY.

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Nyet  Nov 21, 2016 • 4:51:10pm

re: #161 FormerDirtDart

And no doubt the anti-media hysterics on the left will be helping him all along.

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William Lewis  Nov 21, 2016 • 4:51:12pm

re: #162 Pawn of the Oppressor

Exactly.

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FormerDirtDart  Nov 21, 2016 • 4:52:28pm
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Scottishdragon  Nov 21, 2016 • 4:52:37pm

Going downstairs to work on a MkIV Space Wolves Dreadnought for my kid and Christmas.

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EPR-radar  Nov 21, 2016 • 4:53:30pm

re: #162 Pawn of the Oppressor

Apparently this is a current Facebook meme:

“First they came for the Muslims, and we said ‘Not this time, motherfucker.’”

Most excellent.

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jaunte  Nov 21, 2016 • 4:53:30pm
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Belafon  Nov 21, 2016 • 4:53:55pm

re: #144 The Vicious Babushka

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Anger and the desire to defeat it are the best options now.

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Charles Johnson  Nov 21, 2016 • 4:56:27pm
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Targetpractice  Nov 21, 2016 • 4:57:30pm

re: #166 FormerDirtDart

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So they’re actually going with the “it’s a joke, you humorless liberals!” defense yet again. They are nothing if not predictable.

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William Lewis  Nov 21, 2016 • 4:57:53pm

re: #164 Nyet

And no doubt the anti-media hysterics on the left will be helping him all along.

Question: when the media really is corrupted, like 9 humans who wore the rings of power till they became ring wraiths, what are the rest of us supposed to do? Pretend that the “anti-media hysterics on the left” are just drunk idiots rather that fuck heads who might just accidentally be right? I will not defend my idiot friends on the hard left but goddamn if I’ll at least wait for the shit they’re guilty of.

Sorry Sergy but the mess here stateside is not the same as the mess President Putin has created in the FSU. Our Viceroy of the US has an additional agenda along with his bosses agenda.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 21, 2016 • 4:58:15pm

re: #156 Scottishdragon

Re-quoted for truth.

If I ever see him, I’m going to ask him that. I doubt I ever will but I hope someone does ask him something to that effect. Listen, being working class isn’t easy. I know that. But I also know that other groups face other challenges too.

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Nyet  Nov 21, 2016 • 5:00:58pm

re: #171 Charles Johnson

It’s not funny (but at least qualifies as a joke, a very stupid joke) when some Jewish people do it. When white nationalists do it? LOL, forget it.

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Nyet  Nov 21, 2016 • 5:02:09pm

re: #173 William Lewis

Sorry, but the stupid generalizations and conspiracy theories do not qualify as reasoned criticism.

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retired cynic  Nov 21, 2016 • 5:04:03pm

re: #124 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

upding for president turnip! new favorite!

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William Lewis  Nov 21, 2016 • 5:07:33pm

re: #176 Nyet

Sorry, but the stupid generalizations and conspiracy theories do not qualify as reasoned criticism.

Not trying to do that but perhaps I just can’t see things that close to me.

Perhaps you could give me a more explicit and detailed argument to reply to?

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HappyWarrior  Nov 21, 2016 • 5:08:27pm

re: #166 FormerDirtDart

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Uh huh. Yeah we’re supposed to believe that. And even if it is true, it’s crass as hell. Face it Dick, you’re a Nazi, just embrace it fuckwit.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 21, 2016 • 5:09:01pm

re: #169 jaunte

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All cultural conservatives? No. Someone like Bannon? Abso-fucking-lutely.

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Nyet  Nov 21, 2016 • 5:09:01pm

re: #178 William Lewis

I’m not the one saying “the media does this” or “the media does that”, as if it were some sort of a monolith. Ask the people that do.

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN  Nov 21, 2016 • 5:10:41pm

From Jim Wright’s Facebook page (I don’t know how to do this right):
“2016: November 8th. Donald Trump is elected 45th President of the United States of America. He lost the popular vote, but won the Electoral College. There are 19 Electors from the State of Florida, all cast their vote for Donald Trump.
Pam Bondi, as it happens, is one of those electors.
2016: November 20th. Pam Bondi joins the Donald Trump Presidential Transition Team.
Tell me again about that swamp.
Because I fucking love that joke so hard.”

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EPR-radar  Nov 21, 2016 • 5:12:19pm

re: #181 Nyet

I’m not the one saying “the media does this” or “the media does that”, as if it were some sort of a monolith. Ask the people that do.

The mainstream US media is not a perfect monolith, but it is way too close to that for comfort.

Some few reporters are doing good work, but the overwhelming trend is to make money by turning news into entertainment.

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The Vicious Babushka  Nov 21, 2016 • 5:12:38pm

STFU NYTimes

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EPR-radar  Nov 21, 2016 • 5:14:11pm

re: #184 The Vicious Babushka

Another Liz Spayd special, I see. She is either a stealth wingnut or a useful idiot for the right. In any case, she needs to be sacked ASAP.

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William Lewis  Nov 21, 2016 • 5:15:39pm

re: #181 Nyet

I’m not the one saying “the media does this” or “the media does that”, as if it were some sort of a monolith. Ask the people that do.

Ah, I see, we’re supposed to just let sleeping dogs lie. Gotcha. Because after they’ve all been pulled in and told how to behave but they’ll all still be independant.

Sergy, I’m sorry, but this is one of the moments where your origin outside of the US really shows. I have a feeling we aren’t going to “get” it together on this one so I won’t worry about trying to continue to argue it tonight.

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William Lewis  Nov 21, 2016 • 5:20:02pm

re: #184 The Vicious Babushka

STFU NYTimes

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This is exactly why I said, downstairs, that the NYT hasn’t done shit for years.

They are no longer worth reading. May they go bankrupt.

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Nyet  Nov 21, 2016 • 5:20:31pm

re: #183 EPR-radar

As far as I’m concerned, what partisans on both sides (yes, both sides) are doing is taking some coverage that is flawed (or they think is flawed) and focusing on it in a misleading way to dismiss the whole. Too many partisans don’t understand that their political biases color their judgment. A political Dunning-Kruger, as it were.

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The Vicious Babushka  Nov 21, 2016 • 5:21:06pm

re: #187 William Lewis

This is exactly why I said, downstairs, that the NYT hasn’t done shit for years.

They are no longer worth reading. May they go bankrupt.

I like the food section.

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Nyet  Nov 21, 2016 • 5:21:11pm

re: #186 William Lewis

Ah, I see, we’re supposed to just let sleeping dogs lie.

Not sure what you’re on about, but not about anything I said.

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EPR-radar  Nov 21, 2016 • 5:22:36pm

re: #187 William Lewis

This is exactly why I said, downstairs, that the NYT hasn’t done shit for years.

They are no longer worth reading. May they go bankrupt.

This isn’t the first big WTF from Liz Spayd. I’ve repressed the details of the earlier incident, but it was on this order of stupidity. Since Spayd is the public editor of the NYT, it is reasonable to blame the paper as a whole for her grievous shortcomings.

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Targetpractice  Nov 21, 2016 • 5:22:58pm

re: #184 The Vicious Babushka

STFU NYTimes

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FFS, the paper that spearheaded the “EMAILS!!!!” charge and never once dropped that bone is now going “We didn’t do enough to be nice to Trump supporters”?

BULLSHIT!

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William Lewis  Nov 21, 2016 • 5:23:13pm

re: #190 Nyet

Not sure what you’re on about, but not about anything I said.

S’ok. We’ll let this one be.

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BeachDem  Nov 21, 2016 • 5:23:26pm

re: #184 The Vicious Babushka

STFU NYTimes

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they weren’t fair enough to Trump supporters—yeah, that was definitely the problem with their coverage. EMAILS!!!!!

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Nyet  Nov 21, 2016 • 5:24:16pm

The Dunning-Kruger folks on the left are welcome to sing “Lügenpresse!” in harmony with the right.

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William Lewis  Nov 21, 2016 • 5:24:31pm

re: #189 The Vicious Babushka

I like the food section.

I’ve got a lot of print outs from them too. Perhaps they could be spun off?

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EPR-radar  Nov 21, 2016 • 5:24:47pm

re: #188 Nyet

As far as I’m concerned, what partisans on both sides (yes, both sides) are doing is taking some coverage that is flawed (or they think is flawed) and focusing on it in a misleading way to dismiss the whole. Too many partisans don’t understand that their political biases color their judgment. A political Dunning-Kruger, as it were.

The US right bitches when the US media accurately quotes Donald Trump. The US left bitches when the US media does ‘where’s the plane’ on Clinton’s emails.

I fail to see any partisan equivalence here.

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Targetpractice  Nov 21, 2016 • 5:25:07pm

It’s good to see that the “above it all” mindset is bipartisan. ///

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Belafon  Nov 21, 2016 • 5:25:57pm

re: #195 Nyet

The Dunning-Kruger folks on the left are welcome to sing “Lügenpresse!” in harmony with the right.

You should look up how they covered Trump $25M payment vs Clinton’s emails. You might also look up how they have been covering Trump’s new Saudi businesses.

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Nyet  Nov 21, 2016 • 5:26:44pm

re: #197 EPR-radar

The US right bitches when the US media accurately quotes Donald Trump. The US left bitches when the US media does ‘where’s the plane’ on Clinton’s emails.

I fail to see any partisan equivalence here.

The idiots on both sides throw the baby away with the bathwater.

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Sherlock Hound  Nov 21, 2016 • 5:27:05pm

re: #187 William Lewis

This is exactly why I said, downstairs, that the NYT hasn’t done shit for years.

They are no longer worth reading. May they go bankrupt.

When they built their new palace 10 years ago, I knew I would never pay for a subscription. I’m sad because I love Krugman and I read them in print for years.

But 10 years ago, the Times knew damned well the economics were fucked for newspapers. On top of that, they bought the Boston Globe and nearly ran that paper into the ground.

I vote no-confidence for their management.

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BeachDem  Nov 21, 2016 • 5:27:21pm

re: #197 EPR-radar

The US right bitches when the US media accurately quotes Donald Trump. The US left bitches when the US media does ‘where’s the plane’ on Clinton’s emails.

I fail to see any partisan equivalence here.

And as one of the harshest critics of the news media here, I will say that when I bitch about the coverage, I generally cite specific examples of bad reporting, deceptive headlines, and ill-chosen words.

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stpaulbear  Nov 21, 2016 • 5:27:35pm

Looks like a good time to go to the store…

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Nyet  Nov 21, 2016 • 5:28:09pm

re: #202 BeachDem

And as one of the harshest critics of the news media here, I will say that when I bitch about the coverage, I generally cite specific examples of bad reporting, deceptive headlines, and ill-chosen words.

Which is how it should be.

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William Lewis  Nov 21, 2016 • 5:28:45pm

re: #200 Nyet

The idiots on both sides throw the baby away with the bathwater.

Pity US media isn’t the same as elsewhere, but hey, why let that disturb our thinking!

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William Lewis  Nov 21, 2016 • 5:29:45pm

re: #201 Sherlock Hound

When they built their new palace 10 years ago, I knew I would never pay for a subscription. I’m sad because I love Krugman and I read them in print for years.

But 10 years ago, the Times knew damned well the economics were fucked for newspapers. On top of tgat, they bought the Boston Globe and nearly ran that paper into the ground.

I vote no-confidence for their management.

I do miss Krugman but when they paywalled, I walked away. I haven’t read a single article legally since.

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Nyet  Nov 21, 2016 • 5:29:49pm

re: #205 William Lewis

Pity US media isn’t the same as elsewhere, but hey, why let that disturb our thinking!

The US media is certainly better than in a whole lotta countries.

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teleskiguy  Nov 21, 2016 • 5:30:26pm
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The Vicious Babushka  Nov 21, 2016 • 5:32:12pm
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Charles Johnson  Nov 21, 2016 • 5:34:41pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 21, 2016 • 5:35:23pm

re: #210 Charles Johnson

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Blood And Irony.

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Nyet  Nov 21, 2016 • 5:35:34pm

re: #209 The Vicious Babushka

Hmm, that reminds me of a few recent twitter exchanges I’ve had with antisemites. Actually, it reminds me of all of them.

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William Lewis  Nov 21, 2016 • 5:35:37pm

re: #207 Nyet

The US media is certainly better than in whole lotta countries.

Not by much and getting worse daily.

Please, if you would, compare the reporting about the Trump transition on the BBC vs any US media outlet. Only on one of them will you learn anything useful.

(Hint: It won’t be US based.).

Now perhaps you have a need to believe in a US that remains good to salve your cold war ego but we won that once and are now about to piss it away thanks to Trump and our puppet media.

If you want real news about the reality in this world, Sergy, listen to the leader of the Free World Angela Merkel on the BBC or DW. You will not hear truth on any US media channel anytime in the next decade or three (depending on how WWIII plays out)

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The Vicious Babushka  Nov 21, 2016 • 5:36:22pm

re: #212 Nyet

Hmm, that reminds me of a few recent twitter exchanges I’ve had with antisemites. Actually, it reminds me of all of them.

IT WAS JUST A JOKE. CAN’T YOU TAKE A JOKE!!!

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EPR-radar  Nov 21, 2016 • 5:37:57pm

re: #214 The Vicious Babushka

IT WAS JUST A JOKE. CAN’T YOU TAKE A JOKE!!!

Right-wing/conservative humor always has cruelty as its essential point.

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Nyet  Nov 21, 2016 • 5:39:30pm

re: #213 William Lewis

Please, if you would, compare the reporting about the Trump transition on the BBC vs any US media outlet. Only on one of them will you learn anything useful.

I’m not going to search around various sites about this specific topic, but reporting on Trump?
Let’s see, off the top of my head:

1. Trump’s tax returns revealed by the NYT.
2. Trump’s tape revealed by WaPo.
3. Trump’s Russian ties written about extensively by Eichenwald at Newsweek.

All American media. Funny, that.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 21, 2016 • 5:39:32pm

re: #215 EPR-radar

Right-wing/conservative humor always has cruelty as its essential point.

IT’S JUST SATIRE, LIBTARD. And then when they get exposed to actual satire, they get offended.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 21, 2016 • 5:39:46pm

twitter ad. Are taxpayers paying for this?

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freetoken  Nov 21, 2016 • 5:39:49pm

It’s probably been about 40 years since we’ve had such an openly aggressive dynamic between a President (almost elect, in this case) and “the press”, as it was called back then.

The Nixon/press dynamic was a rough one at the end. Remember, PaleoPat entered this arena as one of Nixon’s wordsmiths, and PaleoPat was a leading anti-Press figure ever since.

So I don’t blame people for thinking the current Trump/media dynamic is wrong. It is wrong, in my opinion, but the halls of power in this country have a long history of either openly hostile attitudes towards journalism, on one hand, and manipulating it on the other.

Trump is more caustic than any other President in our lifetime. And his basic urge is to serve himself, not his country, which makes it all the more worse.

Waving my hands here… but I suspect the media will have a field day once Trump is in office, with a never ending parade of scandals.

As for stopping Trump - the most efficient way to do that is to lobby your Senators. In my case my two Senators will be strongly anti-Trump, but for those of you in parts of the country where your Senators may have less resistance to Trump, or openly support him, I think a constant stream of well written letters regarding this or that issue, as well as petitions you can get signed and sent to them, could bear fruit.

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jaunte  Nov 21, 2016 • 5:40:17pm

re: #209 The Vicious Babushka

“…they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words.”
“They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert.”

Sounds just like Trump.

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ObserverArt  Nov 21, 2016 • 5:40:50pm

Trump to media: I want the truth

Media to Trump (In Jack Nicholson voice): YOU CAN”T HANDLE THE TRUTH!!!

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Belafon  Nov 21, 2016 • 5:41:41pm

re: #215 EPR-radar

Right-wing/conservative humor always has cruelty as its essential point.

And probably the best way to defeat them is to return it to them. I’ll have to work on my stand-up.

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Charles Johnson  Nov 21, 2016 • 5:43:01pm
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William Lewis  Nov 21, 2016 • 5:43:10pm

re: #216 Nyet

All American media. Funny, that.

Eichenwald is the only one making any progress. Funny that. We’re in different worlds on this. I’m going to let it go because it isn’t worth the fight with some one who is usually right.

Later!

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FormerDirtDart  Nov 21, 2016 • 5:43:20pm

Well, there goes his Ambassadorship to North Korea
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SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN  Nov 21, 2016 • 5:44:54pm

re: #215 EPR-radar

Right-wing/conservative humor always has cruelty as its essential point.

I once observed here that right wing humor lacked humanity. Most funny things are universal. One time in Paris some guy wearing his local clothes (clearly from someplace far away) and I were watching some lady having too much fun putting hot dogs into the buns (while she was grooving to some sort of polka). Neither of us said a word to each other but we were able to share in the humor of the scene. Then he pointed out to me some guys selling Eiffel Tower souvenirs who were trying to brace the base of the little statue against their groin while press fitting the top piece with both hands.

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Nyet  Nov 21, 2016 • 5:46:05pm

re: #224 William Lewis

Your point apparently was that one can’t learn anything useful from the US media. This has been debunked. But it won’t stop the hyperbole (which does not equal actual responsible media criticism, which is of course necessary).

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN  Nov 21, 2016 • 5:47:04pm

re: #216 Nyet

I don’t get the dissatisfaction with the media. The media did its job. The voters had everything they needed to know to know what they were voting for. His election wasn’t a win for ignorance, it was a win for malice.

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Belafon  Nov 21, 2016 • 5:47:59pm

At Balloon Juice, when one of the trolls showed up and started spewing stuff, we accused it of being one of Doug’s sock puppets. That really got it annoyed.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 21, 2016 • 5:48:07pm
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William Lewis  Nov 21, 2016 • 5:48:08pm

re: #227 Nyet

Your point apparently was that one can’t learn anything useful from the US media. This has been debunked. But it won’t stop the hyperbole (which does not equal actual responsible media criticism, which is of course necessary).

No that wasn’t the point. Do you wish to try again, do you wish to tell me or shall we just call it a night?

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BeachDem  Nov 21, 2016 • 5:48:09pm

re: #207 Nyet

The US media is certainly better than in a whole lotta countries.

Well, that’s damning with faint praise.

I have a huge problem with the laziness, both is going after stories and in sloppy writing. Words matter, and many of our current crop of journalists don’t seem to care. They want to be first, and they want to be clever and in my mind, it’s become a race to the bottom.

Example, the tweet from the NYT reporter earlier today wherein he asked Kellyanne Conway if Trump was doing anything illegal with his businesses. His big reveal was that she told him he was being negative. That was his big scoop.

Why would a reporter ask his campaign manager that question in the first place? Her answer would serve no purpose of advancing any fact—it would just let him quote someone who would either have no idea what the answer was and whose opinion does not have any bearing on the issue.

Maybe, instead of chatting with Conway and tweeting, a real reporter would have been doing some investigation on the issue and finding documentation.

The soundbite circus that has replaced actual reporting in many cases does nothing to inform the electorate or serve any purpose other than to increase the corporate coffers.

I have always joked about putting my journalism education to work in the more honorable profession of advertising. I’m still saying it, but I’m no longer joking. You can’t get away in advertising with some of the serious bullshit that the news media get away with. Many of the former journalism schools were merged with communications platforms, with communications as the umbrella (happened to the one I attended) and courses like “Ethics in Journalism” were totally deleted from the curriculum. We are the worse for those changes.

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN  Nov 21, 2016 • 5:49:41pm

re: #228 SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN

I was trying to find the right word and settled on malice. I found apathy, indifference, incoherence to be inadequate. Heck, the only reason he won the damn thing at all was the electoral college.

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EPR-radar  Nov 21, 2016 • 5:50:01pm

re: #228 SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN

I don’t get the dissatisfaction with the media. The media did its job. The voters had everything they needed to know to know what they were voting for. His election wasn’t a win for ignorance, it was a win for malice.

Among other things, the Trump candidacy and upcoming presidency is a media creation. Trump got something like $2 billion in free coverage during the GOP primary. That should not have happened.

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Belafon  Nov 21, 2016 • 5:53:12pm

I wonder if I’m spending too much time reading politics and not enough time doing politics.

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Scottishdragon  Nov 21, 2016 • 5:55:25pm
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Nyet  Nov 21, 2016 • 5:55:49pm

re: #231 William Lewis

No that wasn’t the point. Do you wish to try again, do you wish to tell me or shall we just call it a night?

Then your comment wasn’t really meaningful, since even if it were granted that you were right about this single datapoint (which I won’t be checking because I don’t really have any desire to chase random herrings in the night time), it would be just that.

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BeachDem  Nov 21, 2016 • 5:56:45pm

re: #216 Nyet

I’m not going to search around various sites about this specific topic, but reporting on Trump?
Let’s see, off the top of my head:

1. Trump’s tax returns revealed by the NYT.
2. Trump’s tape revealed by WaPo.
3. Trump’s Russian ties written about extensively by Eichenwald at Newsweek.

All American media. Funny, that.

1. Tax returns revealed by the NYT because somebody mailed them to a reporter, NOT because the NYT was hot on the case.

2. Tape revealed by WaPo, after NBC and Access Hollywood sat on it for weeks, as they passed it back and forth like a hot potato. (Props to Fahrenthold—he’s a good one—no argument)

3. Serious props to Eichenwald, who also explored other Trump failings in depth—but shame on the rest of the media for letting those stories die without digging deeper.

Just look at this past week—the fucking Hamilton non-story (or minor story) has been covered non-stop for three days, pushing the Trump U. settlement story, the meetings with Indian partners story, the what was Ivanka doing at the meeting with the Japanese story, the holding a marketing event for foreign diplomats at the DC hotel story, etc. to “below-the-fold” or totally ignoring them.

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN  Nov 21, 2016 • 5:57:27pm

re: #232 BeachDem

“Example, the tweet from the NYT reporter earlier today wherein he asked Kellyanne Conway if Trump was doing anything illegal with his businesses. His big reveal was that she told him he was being negative. That was his big scoop.”

Actually the big reveal is that the campaign (administration) can’t deny illegality. That IS a big reveal.

“Why would a reporter ask his campaign manager that question in the first place?”
Because even in high school we were taught that journalists have to be thorough and try to get the target’s side of the story.

If you don’t think anybody’s trying to document illegal activity by Trump or his businesses you’re out of your mind. Sometimes I think people want to see journalism played out in front of them like some reality show or ball game.

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retired cynic  Nov 21, 2016 • 5:58:28pm

re: #239 SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN

I sure hope you are right, and that it is a wide-spread effort!

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William Lewis  Nov 21, 2016 • 5:58:59pm

re: #232 BeachDem

Nah, be a prostitute. Far more honorable than either journalism OR advertising. At least then you

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Nyet  Nov 21, 2016 • 5:59:34pm

re: #232 BeachDem

Well, that’s damning with faint praise.

Yes and no. You know what is worse than having even very flawed media independent from the state? Not having any.

There is a difference between sharp criticism and destructive nihilism. I’m afraid I’m seeing more of the latter nowadays.

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freetoken  Nov 21, 2016 • 6:00:37pm

re: #232 BeachDem

Example, the tweet from the NYT reporter earlier today wherein he asked Kellyanne Conway if Trump was doing anything illegal with his businesses. His big reveal was that she told him he was being negative. That was his big scoop.

That’s a good example.

A journalist who would be more into digging than tweeting could have asked Conway about the alleged businesses of Trump in the KSA, and ask how Trump’s other business dealings in the Middle East would affect his handling of Iran, Iraq, etc.

That is, ask detailed questions. Questions of fact, questions of connections. The “what” in the five W’s.

As you point out, what we got instead was a statement about the journalist (or his company) himself. The answer we ended up with was not about Trump but about the journalist.

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN  Nov 21, 2016 • 6:00:39pm

re: #234 EPR-radar

Among other things, the Trump candidacy and upcoming presidency is a media creation. Trump got something like $2 billion in free coverage during the GOP primary. That should not have happened.

Remember all that free coverage boosted him to a 2 million vote popular vote defeat. What did you want to hear, Anderson Cooper call Trump a racist buffoon or see Trump show you what a racist buffoon he is? I think Trump exposed himself as everything we know him to be. All that free coverage didn’t portray him as anything else.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 21, 2016 • 6:01:01pm
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freetoken  Nov 21, 2016 • 6:03:35pm

re: #244 SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN

Anecdotally, the Trump supporters on my Facebook wall appear to not have concerns about the actual facts presented. They love Trump because of his bigotry, not because they are ignorant of it.

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EPR-radar  Nov 21, 2016 • 6:03:46pm

re: #244 SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN

Remember all that free coverage boosted him to a 2 million vote popular vote defeat. What did you want to hear, Anderson Cooper call Trump a racist buffoon or see Trump show you what a racist buffoon he is? I think Trump exposed himself as everything we know him to be. All that free coverage didn’t portray him as anything else.

The $2 billion in free coverage was in the GOP primary, and IMO that was clearly beneficial to Trump.

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teleskiguy  Nov 21, 2016 • 6:04:03pm

We all could use a laugh. Bill Walton in Maui everybody.

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Charles Johnson  Nov 21, 2016 • 6:04:29pm
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Charles Johnson  Nov 21, 2016 • 6:05:56pm

I’m absolutely not defending Richard Spencer, who is a vile and overt antisemite, but he didn’t actually say “Are Jews even people” in that video. Watch it - he’s referring to the media, not to Jews. This time, anyway. Once again, CNN is wrong.

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Nyet  Nov 21, 2016 • 6:10:14pm

re: #238 BeachDem

1. Tax returns revealed by the NYT because somebody mailed them to a reporter, NOT because the NYT was hot on the case.

NYT a) published them, b) is a part of American media.

2. Tape revealed by WaPo, after NBC and Access Hollywood sat on it for weeks, as they passed it back and forth like a hot potato. (Props to Fahrenthold—he’s a good one—no argument)

WaPo a) published it, b) is a part of American media.

3. Serious props to Eichenwald, who also explored other Trump failings in depth—but shame on the rest of the media for letting those stories die without digging deeper.

Let’s randomly search at CNN.

edition.cnn.com
edition.cnn.com
edition.cnn.com
edition.cnn.com

A total blackout…/

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Belafon  Nov 21, 2016 • 6:10:53pm

History question for people with more knowledge than me: In the 1940s and 1950s, before the protests and marches started showing people what was going on in the country, were there states where laws existed that protected blacks, or were there states that made sure blacks weren’t segregated against, at least by state standards?

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Charles Johnson  Nov 21, 2016 • 6:11:49pm

In other news, Tom Nichols is still a disingenuous douchebag.

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Charles Johnson  Nov 21, 2016 • 6:14:36pm
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The Vicious Babushka  Nov 21, 2016 • 6:15:54pm
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Nyet  Nov 21, 2016 • 6:16:47pm

re: #253 Charles Johnson

I don’t get his logic. Bannon is intimately connected to these Nazi “kids”…

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Charles Johnson  Nov 21, 2016 • 6:17:26pm

re: #256 Nyet

He’s so full of shit his eyes are brown.

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The Vicious Babushka  Nov 21, 2016 • 6:18:39pm

Well, we know who is crooked.

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Nyet  Nov 21, 2016 • 6:19:13pm

re: #257 Charles Johnson

He’s so full of shit his eyes are shirt is brown.

Sorry, I had to.//

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The Vicious Babushka  Nov 21, 2016 • 6:19:15pm
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Nyet  Nov 21, 2016 • 6:19:55pm

re: #258 The Vicious Babushka

I agree with Trump, fuck that corrupt crooked media! ///

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lockjawcanbefun  Nov 21, 2016 • 6:20:56pm

re: #259 Nyet

At least he’s colour-coordinated.

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Charles Johnson  Nov 21, 2016 • 6:21:30pm
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freetoken  Nov 21, 2016 • 6:21:54pm

re: #252 Belafon

I am not sure, outside of the US military and government, if much was done.

Even as late as 1964, non-discrimination was being fought against here in California, in a proposition that won:

California Proposition 14

You might look at some New England states to see if they were more progressive.

Hawaii might prove to be an interesting test case, if you want to do some research. The “white” population there were a minority for a long time (before statehood.)

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Nyet  Nov 21, 2016 • 6:24:41pm

Nichols seems to seriously think that these neo-Nazis did this as some sort of a sekrit serious political strategery thingamajig to help Bannon.

Um no, they did it because they’re dumb neo-Nazis.

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Charles Johnson  Nov 21, 2016 • 6:26:57pm
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HappyWarrior  Nov 21, 2016 • 6:27:34pm

re: #265 Nyet

Nichols seems to seriously think that these neo-Nazis did this as some sort of a sekrit serious political strategery thingamajig to help Bannon.

Um no, they did it because they’re dumb neo-Nazis.

Right. Anyhow, I got some of CNN’s coverage when I was making my lunch for tomorrow. Gergen, veteran of both Republican and Dem administrations is pretty horrified and rightfully so by these guys. Meanwhile, it seems that Trump has completely shut himself off from the media. This really isn’t normal. The worst thing we can do is let ourselves be convinced that what Trump is doing is normal. In other news, Trump is apparently consider retired general Mathis for Sec-Def. Don’t know a lot about him. I do know they’d have to go around the seven year retirement period for former military members.

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Nyet  Nov 21, 2016 • 6:28:27pm

“This pigeon shat on me to distract me from that dog that stole my hamburger!”

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HappyWarrior  Nov 21, 2016 • 6:28:36pm

re: #266 Charles Johnson

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It again is NOT normal for a President elect to be advocating for an ambassador spot in a foreign country especially someone like Farange. Man this whole world is going insane.

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Scottishdragon  Nov 21, 2016 • 6:28:39pm

re: #256 Nyet

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I don’t get his logic. Bannon is intimately connected to these Nazi “kids”…

His point is that their antics still serve to normalize Bannon…who is a white nationalist scum but at least he isn’t making Nazi salutes!!

He may be right.

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Belafon  Nov 21, 2016 • 6:28:49pm

re: #256 Nyet

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freetoken  Nov 21, 2016 • 6:28:53pm

re: #266 Charles Johnson

That’s such a stupidly anti-Presidential public statement if there ever was one. US Presidents don’t pick the ambassadors of other countries, and the PM and Parliament of the UK ought to be rightly miffed at it.

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Charles Johnson  Nov 21, 2016 • 6:29:09pm
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HappyWarrior  Nov 21, 2016 • 6:29:25pm

re: #270 Scottishdragon

His point is that their antics still serve to normalize Bannon…who is a white nationalist scum but at least he isn’t making Nazi salutes!!

He may be right.

Bannon just saves his pathetic shit for his shit rag called Breitbart.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 21, 2016 • 6:29:28pm

re: #256 Nyet

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I don’t get his logic. Bannon is intimately connected to these Nazi “kids”…

His logic?

What did we talk about this weekend? Hamilton, and Trump’s hate-tweeting.

What didn’t we talk about? Trump settling a fraud lawsuit for $25 Million.

What are we talking about today? Richard Spencer and his Hitlerjugend.

What aren’t we talking about today? Steven Fucking Bannon. Jeff Fucking Sessions. Kris Fucking Kobachs.

He’s saying that we go after these outrage stories - and they are outrageous - and the stories like the lawsuit settlement, the extremist nominations, and the unbelievable level of corruption don’t get any oxygen. Look at the nominating process so far - I swear, they float batchit crazy names, so we’re relieved when they appoint someone who’s merely terrible. There’s so much chaff in the air that it obscures the target - the shit he’s actually doing.

I’m starting to agree with Nichols on this. Trump et al. are running a real-life Gish Gallop on us and trying to distract us and exhaust our outrage.

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The Vicious Babushka  Nov 21, 2016 • 6:30:51pm

WHOA

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Nyet  Nov 21, 2016 • 6:30:55pm

re: #270 Scottishdragon

His point is that their antics still serve to normalize Bannon…who is a white nationalist scum but at least he isn’t making Nazi salutes!!

He may be right.

I would get it if they weren’t the folks he admitted giving a platform to…

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HappyWarrior  Nov 21, 2016 • 6:32:39pm

re: #277 Nyet

I would get it if they weren’t the folks he admitted giving a platform to…

What was it he said about himself and Breitbart? That they’re the mouthpiece of the alt-right? Bannon needs to be linked to Spencer. I want that drunk Nazi fuckwit to be what he and his hatefilled publication have attemped to do to people on the left.

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Scottishdragon  Nov 21, 2016 • 6:32:54pm

re: #275 Blind Frog Belly White

I’m starting to agree with Nichols on this. Trump et al. are running a real-life Gish Gallop on us and trying to distract us and exhaust our outrage.

Yep. The media has no idea how to even handle this. Nobody has ever seen anything like it before in this country, and the shit is coming so fast nobody can keep up.

We are worse trouble than most Americans realize. By trouble I mean Putin style or Erdogan style trouble.

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Weaselone  Nov 21, 2016 • 6:33:58pm

re: #275 Blind Frog Belly White

Ummm…did anyone ever really doubt this was the case? One of Trump’s key strategies in dealing with the media was to keep tossing out so much chum that the media was never able to focus on an individual story. Things that would have torpedoed an ordinary candidate just disappeared after one day, replaced by the next new outrage.

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Scottishdragon  Nov 21, 2016 • 6:34:21pm

re: #277 Nyet

I would get it if they weren’t the folks he admitted giving a platform to…

The fucking media have already moved past him. He is now part of the background noise.

Meet The Press will have him on within a month.

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Nyet  Nov 21, 2016 • 6:34:49pm

re: #278 HappyWarrior

What was it he said about himself and Breitbart? That they’re the mouthpiece of the alt-right? Bannon needs to be linked to Spencer. I want that drunk Nazi fuckwit to be what he and his hatefilled publication have attemped to do to people on the left.

Yep, “the platform of the alt-right movement”. This leads directly back to Bannon…

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HappyWarrior  Nov 21, 2016 • 6:35:54pm

re: #282 Nyet

Yep, “the platform of the alt-right movement”. This leads directly back to Bannon…

Thanks, I had just forgotten the exact phrase he used. Absolutely it goes back to Bannon. Spencer is more of a philosopher type and Bannon is the newsman.

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The Vicious Babushka  Nov 21, 2016 • 6:36:24pm

*VOMITS*

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HappyWarrior  Nov 21, 2016 • 6:36:58pm

We’er talking about a guy who ran a publication that no joke ran a headline “Would you rather your daughter get cancer or feminism?” and there are plenty more examples of Bannon’s sexism, racism, and general ugliness as a human in action from his time there.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 21, 2016 • 6:37:20pm

re: #284 The Vicious Babushka

*VOMITS*

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Is that what appointing Sessions and Bannon is called?

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Charles Johnson  Nov 21, 2016 • 6:37:26pm

GAH

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Belafon  Nov 21, 2016 • 6:37:50pm

re: #281 Scottishdragon

The fucking media have already moved past him. He is now part of the background noise.

Meet The Press will have him on within a month.

So, a question: Can we do anything to make them stay focused? I consider these kids a result of Bannon, and must be tied to him, but can we force any paper to stay on that track?

And I’d like ideas. I know some people want to say “no.”

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jaunte  Nov 21, 2016 • 6:39:02pm

re: #287 Charles Johnson

He’s committed to reaching out and squeezing some cash out of anyone on earth.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 21, 2016 • 6:39:05pm

re: #288 Belafon

So, a question: Can we do anything to make them stay focused? I consider these kids a result of Bannon, and must be tied to him, but can we force any paper to stay on that track?

And I’d like ideas. I know some people want to say “no.”

Well I would suggest writing your local papers. Maybe they won’t publish you but it would be worth a try. Honestly, I’m for a little hardball back, I remember how Breitbart through outright lies attempted to discredit people like Shirley Sherrod, I want to ruin Bannon with his own words and actions as Breitbart’s editor.

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Belafon  Nov 21, 2016 • 6:39:17pm

re: #284 The Vicious Babushka

*VOMITS*

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re: #287 Charles Johnson

GAH

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He probably is, until bashing Muslims stops being useful.

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nines09  Nov 21, 2016 • 6:39:57pm

re: #287 Charles Johnson

It really is a fucking disease. And I think it is terminal. JFC.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 21, 2016 • 6:40:06pm

re: #291 Belafon

He probably is, until bashing Muslims stops being useful.

Lots of African-American Muslims though.

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William Lewis  Nov 21, 2016 • 6:40:18pm

re: #282 Nyet

Yep, “the platform of the alt-right movement”. This leads directly back to Bannon…

But of course complaints about how the media was corrupted and complicit in the alt right coming to power in the first place are wrong…

Always amusing to see how different people make the things they want to see play out…

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The Vicious Babushka  Nov 21, 2016 • 6:41:22pm

These people just fucked themselves in the ass with a ditch witch==>

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Belafon  Nov 21, 2016 • 6:41:39pm

re: #293 HappyWarrior

Lots of African-American Muslims though.

True. I just see this as an attempt to split the left.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 21, 2016 • 6:42:27pm

re: #295 The Vicious Babushka

These people just fucked themselves in the ass with a ditch witch==>

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You had a choice. Sigh.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 21, 2016 • 6:42:41pm

re: #296 Belafon

True. I just see this as an attempt to split the left.

True.

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calochortus  Nov 21, 2016 • 6:43:35pm

re: #249 Charles Johnson

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Well that certainly explains why my Jewish neighbors have been joining us for Christmas Eve dinner for the past 2 decades…

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Nyet  Nov 21, 2016 • 6:43:39pm

re: #294 William Lewis

But of course complaints about how the media was corrupted and complicit in the alt right coming to power in the first place are wrong…

Thankfully I haven’t heard anyone making such an unhinged claim, or I would have pointed out to them that being a part of the media is not the same as being the media as a whole.

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Belafon  Nov 21, 2016 • 6:44:17pm

re: #295 The Vicious Babushka

These people just fucked themselves in the ass with a ditch witch==>

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Very true, but Democrats really are going to have to take a lesson from this: If you have to explain your candidate, you’ve lost. I readily admit I’m having to learn this lesson.

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Nyet  Nov 21, 2016 • 6:44:20pm

re: #297 HappyWarrior

“You had one job…”

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HappyWarrior  Nov 21, 2016 • 6:45:34pm

re: #302 Nyet

“You had one job…”

Honestly, I’m tired of people complaining that they were “forced” to choose between Clinton and Trump. They could have registered in the primaries and voted and campaigned for a candidate of their choice. Oh, so you’re disappointed that a candidate isn’t to your liking? Well, welcome to how elections are.

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BeachDem  Nov 21, 2016 • 6:46:21pm

re: #251 Nyet

NYT a) published them, b) is a part of American media.

WaPo a) published it, b) is a part of American media.

Let’s randomly search at CNN.

edition.cnn.com
edition.cnn.com
edition.cnn.com
edition.cnn.com

A total blackout…/

First of all, I’ve never said that all the coverage is wrong or that nothing is covered. I just want the media held to a higher standard.

Irony—that first CNN article comes with an editor’s note about the author: Ben Nimmo is a UK-based analyst of disinformation and information warfare. He is a former journalist for Deutsche Presse-Agentur, and worked from 2011 to 2014 as a press officer at NATO, specializing in relations with Russia and Ukraine. He is a senior fellow of the Institute for Statecraft in London and the Atlantic Council in Washington. The opinions expressed in this article are solely those of the author.

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Charles Johnson  Nov 21, 2016 • 6:46:37pm
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HappyWarrior  Nov 21, 2016 • 6:47:00pm

And if given the choice between Clinton and Trump, I vote Clinton 101 times out of 100 if given the chance. Someone who actually understands our government, respects it, and has a record of helping people versus a self serving asshole was an easy choice. This was arguably even easier for me than Obama versus McCain and Romney, and I actually like Obama more than I do Clinton.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 21, 2016 • 6:47:26pm

re: #305 Charles Johnson

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You and me both.

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The Vicious Babushka  Nov 21, 2016 • 6:47:28pm

TRUMP DECLARES WAR ON SCOTLAND

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HappyWarrior  Nov 21, 2016 • 6:49:04pm

re: #308 The Vicious Babushka

TRUMP DECLARES WAR ON SCOTLAND

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The Scots already hate his ass. That move is going to make things os much better. //

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Nyet  Nov 21, 2016 • 6:50:06pm

re: #304 BeachDem

First of all, I’ve never said that all the coverage is wrong or that nothing is covered. I just want the media held to a higher standard.

Who doesn’t?

Irony—that first CNN article comes with an editor’s note about the author: Ben Nimmo is a UK-based analyst of disinformation and information warfare. He is a former journalist for Deutsche Presse-Agentur, and worked from 2011 to 2014 as a press officer at NATO, specializing in relations with Russia and Ukraine. He is a senior fellow of the Institute for Statecraft in London and the Atlantic Council in Washington. The opinions expressed in this article are solely those of the author.

Wait, real experts appear in the US media? Even foreign ones? Would have never believed it if I accepted certain claims at face value.//

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ObserverArt  Nov 21, 2016 • 6:50:28pm

re: #282 Nyet

Yep, “the platform of the alt-right movement”. This leads directly back to Bannon…

Clearly they are trying to separate the two sides of Bannon.

The Brietbart Bannon was there to make money…new media…explore sides of politics heretofore left unexamined!

The kids are an ugly offshoot of it. Not Bannon’s problem…you always have your kooks.

The new Bannon is the Trump Good People Cabinet Member…who will be a mean lean responsible government worker machine.

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retired cynic  Nov 21, 2016 • 6:52:35pm

re: #311 ObserverArt

Richard Spencer is no “kid.” He just plays one publicly.

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Targetpractice  Nov 21, 2016 • 6:52:49pm

re: #295 The Vicious Babushka

These people just fucked themselves in the ass with a ditch witch==>

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To quote Geddy Lee, “If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice.”

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nines09  Nov 21, 2016 • 6:53:26pm

re: #295 The Vicious Babushka

They both the same. They are the same. What does it have to do with me? I’m not liking anyone. It’s all bullshit. Nothing gets done anyway. It’s all the same. Both sides do it. Why should I vote? It doesn’t matter. It’s all fixed. I can’t make a difference. When’s the last time any politician helped you? They all crooked. It’s all bullshit. They are out to get your guns. Gonna take your rights. You won’t have any rights. TO THE FUCKING NTH DEGREE.

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darthstar  Nov 21, 2016 • 6:53:28pm

I don’t know why people keep pointing out possibly impeachable offenses by Trump. Who is going to impeach him? Paul fucking Ryan?

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nines09  Nov 21, 2016 • 6:54:01pm

re: #315 darthstar

Not the fucking press, that’s for certain.

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Nyet  Nov 21, 2016 • 6:56:14pm

re: #311 ObserverArt

Clearly they are trying to separate the two sides of Bannon.

The Brietbart Bannon was there to make money…new media…explore sides of politics heretofore left unexamined!

The kids are an ugly offshoot of it. Not Bannon’s problem…you always have your kooks.

The new Bannon is the Trump Good People Cabinet Member…who will be a mean lean responsible government worker machine.

Remember what he said recently?

“It’s everything related to jobs,” Mr. Bannon said. “The conservatives are going to go crazy. I’m the guy pushing a trillion-dollar infrastructure plan. With negative interest rates throughout the world, it’s the greatest opportunity to rebuild everything. Ship yards, iron works, get them all jacked up. We’re just going to throw it up against the wall and see if it sticks. It will be as exciting as the 1930s, greater than the Reagan revolution — conservatives, plus populists, in an economic nationalist movement.”

Why, it sounds almost like… National Socialism? ///

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Mattand  Nov 21, 2016 • 6:56:23pm

Hey, all:

Hope everyone is doing well.

A little late to the party, and probably stating the obvious, but is anyone else upset by the fact that:

A) A President-elect demanded a meeting with the supposedly free press

B) They acquiesced

C) The next guy charged with defending the First Amrndnent spent the majority of the meeting complaining that they were being mean to him?

Jesus Fucking Christ, why is this not the lead for every paper in the country?

Rhetorical question, by the way…

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calochortus  Nov 21, 2016 • 6:56:42pm

re: #315 darthstar

I don’t know why people keep pointing out possibly impeachable offenses by Trump. Who is going to impeach him? Paul fucking Ryan?

Possibly. It depends on whether Trump does what they want-if he’s impeached they get Pence. A match made in heaven. If you don’t like people much, anyway.

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Nyet  Nov 21, 2016 • 6:57:03pm

re: #315 darthstar

I don’t know why people keep pointing out possibly impeachable offenses by Trump. Who is going to impeach him? Paul fucking Ryan?

Maybe in a couple of years they will want Pence as president, who knows.

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BeachDem  Nov 21, 2016 • 6:57:19pm

re: #283 HappyWarrior

Thanks, I had just forgotten the exact phrase he used. Absolutely it goes back to Bannon. Spencer is more of a philosopher type and Bannon is the newsman.

Even though he’s nearing 40, Spencer is so good at playing wonky millennial it makes you want to vomit. Think of him as an Ezra Klein for people who wouldn’t mind putting people named Ezra Klein on a train. He’s active on social media ― that is, until he’s kicked off of it for hate speech ― and loves calling mainstream Republicans “basic bitch conservatives.”

huffingtonpost.com

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Targetpractice  Nov 21, 2016 • 6:57:56pm

re: #318 Mattand

Hey, all:

Hope everyone is doing well.

A little late to the party, and probably stating the obvious, but is anyone else upset by the fact that:

A) A President-elect demanded a meeting with the supposedly free press

B) They acquiesced

C) The next guy charged with defending the First Amrndnent spent the majority of the meeting complaining that they were being mean to him?

Jesus Fucking Christ, why is this not the lead for every paper in the country?

Rhetorical question, by the way…

Remember when Obama called the press to his office, they all came, and he bitched about how mean they were to him with absolutely no consequences?

Yeah, me neither.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 21, 2016 • 6:58:52pm

re: #321 BeachDem

Even though he’s nearing 40, Spencer is so good at playing wonky millennial it makes you want to vomit. Think of him as an Ezra Klein for people who wouldn’t mind putting people named Ezra Klein on a train. He’s active on social media ― that is, until he’s kicked off of it for hate speech ― and loves calling mainstream Republicans “basic bitch conservatives.”

huffingtonpost.com

Don’t know why I thought Spencer was younger. Knew he was older than me but I thought he was more mid 30’s. He really is a pathetic little fuck.

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Skandal  Nov 21, 2016 • 7:01:19pm
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Nyet  Nov 21, 2016 • 7:02:07pm

re: #267 HappyWarrior

In other news, Trump is apparently consider retired general Mathis for Sec-Def. Don’t know a lot about him. I do know they’d have to go around the seven year retirement period for former military members.

Hmm, first impression (yes, wiki) is not bad.

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Charles Johnson  Nov 21, 2016 • 7:02:21pm
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stpaulbear  Nov 21, 2016 • 7:02:21pm

re: #309 HappyWarrior

The Scots already hate his ass. That move is going to make things os much better. //

They can wake up every morning and go “Thank god he’s not our fuckin’ president.” I hope they find a reason to confiscate his golf course.

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ObserverArt  Nov 21, 2016 • 7:03:56pm

re: #300 Nyet

Thankfully I haven’t heard anyone making such an unhinged claim, or I would have pointed out to them that being a part of the media is not the same as being the media as a whole.

Do you really see many of the LGF members criticism of “the media” in the U.S. as being directed at the whole?

If so, you may be taking what is a casual comment as being specific. I think you calling it Nihilistic was an indication you are taking it all too serious.

Much of it is just an overall frustration that there does not seem to be a truth or fact based on a consensus view. It is all over the place and often colored and directed for a story. Look at the TV Cable news people and how one story is told from MSNBC to FOX News… and the weight given in comparison with Hillary’s “scandals.”

But when people say “I’ve had it with the media” I don’t think they are saying ALL of the media…it’s the frustration speaking.

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Belafon  Nov 21, 2016 • 7:04:24pm

re: #327 stpaulbear

They can wake up every morning and go “Thank god he’s not our fuckin’ president.” I hope they find a reason to confiscate his golf course.

Maybe they can pass a law stating that no foreign leader can own land in their country.

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ObserverArt  Nov 21, 2016 • 7:06:53pm

re: #312 retired cynic

Richard Spencer is no “kid.” He just plays one publicly.

Just running with the commentary! : )

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jaunte  Nov 21, 2016 • 7:07:45pm

Maybe Trump is grabbing everything he can grab before he abdicates to Pence.

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jaunte  Nov 21, 2016 • 7:08:32pm

He obviously doesn’t want to do the work of being President. He’s already admitted that.

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Nyet  Nov 21, 2016 • 7:10:33pm

re: #328 ObserverArt

I can’t read people’s minds. What I can is say that such generalizing rhetoric is destructive, regardless of intent.

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Belafon  Nov 21, 2016 • 7:11:39pm

My son said that some people are wondering if 2016 is the result of too many time travelers trying to fix things. It reminded him of Ray Bradbury’s A Sound of Thunder:

In the year 2055, time travel has become a practical reality, and the company Time Safari Inc. offers wealthy adventurers the chance to travel back in time to hunt extinct species such as dinosaurs. A hunter named Eckels pays $10,000 to join a hunting party that will travel back to the late Jurassic Era, on a guided safari to kill a Tyrannosaurus rex. As the party waits to depart, they discuss the recent presidential elections in which an apparently fascist candidate, Deutscher, has been defeated by the more moderate Keith, to the relief of many concerned. When the party arrives in the past, Travis (the hunting guide) and Lesperance (Travis’s assistant) warn Eckels and the two other hunters, Billings and Kramer, about the necessity of minimizing the events they change before they go back, since tiny alterations to the distant past could snowball into catastrophic changes in history. Travis explains that the hunters are obliged to stay on a levitating path to avoid disrupting the environment, that any deviation will be punished with hefty fines, and that prior to the hunt, Time Safari scouts had been sent back to select and tag their prey, which would have died within minutes anyway, and whose death has been calculated to have minimal impact on the future.

Although Eckels is initially excited about the hunt, when the monstrous Tyrannosaur approaches, he loses his nerve. Travis tells him he cannot leave, but Eckels panics, steps off the path and runs into the forest. Eckels hears shots, and on his return he sees that the two guides have killed the dinosaur, and shortly afterward the falling tree that would have killed the T-Rex has landed on top of it. Realizing that Eckels has fallen off the path, Travis threatens to leave him in the past unless he removes the bullets from the dinosaur’s body, as they cannot be left behind. Eckels obeys, but Travis remains furious, threatening on the return trip to shoot him.

Upon returning to 2055, Eckels notices subtle changes - English words are now spelled and spoken strangely, people behave differently, and Eckels discovers that Deutscher has won the election instead of Keith. Looking at the mud on his boots, Eckels finds a crushed butterfly, whose death has apparently set in motion a series of subtle changes that have affected the nature of the alternative present to which the safari has returned. He frantically pleads with Travis to take him back into the past to undo the damage, but Travis had previously explained that the time machine cannot return to any point in time that it has already visited (so as to prevent any paradoxes). Travis raises his gun, and there is “a sound of thunder”.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 21, 2016 • 7:14:06pm

Trump will continue to pimp his businesses while President and the GOP congress will just smile and nod.

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Charles Johnson  Nov 21, 2016 • 7:14:29pm
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Targetpractice  Nov 21, 2016 • 7:15:54pm

re: #335 Eclectic Cyborg

Trump will continue to pimp his businesses while President and the GOP congress will just smile and nod.

Thus further driving America down the road of open bribery and corruption despite all the talk about how we don’t approve of such things in our politicians.

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Nyet  Nov 21, 2016 • 7:17:16pm

In a slightly better world Trump’s election would galvanize the liberals, the sane left, the moderates against the forces of proto-fascism and fascism that are gathering all around Europe. But with the luck we have it will probably have the opposite effect…

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Barefoot Grin  Nov 21, 2016 • 7:19:44pm

This needs to be a theme that follows him through his presidency, inspired by someone here:

Here’s a fun game. Mr. Trump once said something like, ‘I could shoot someone on 5th Ave. and my supporters would still be there for me’; How about a fill-in-the-blank game: I could_____, and my supporters would still be there for me. I’ll start, “I could openly mock a disabled reporter and my supporters would still be there for me.”

Or how about: “I could proudly proclaim that my celebrity allows me to ‘grab [women] by the pussy’ and my supporters would still be there for me.”

Or, “I could watch an Neo-Nazi outfit with ties to my campaign CEO and now main advisor move to a Virginia location and have a conference celebrating my victory, and my supporters would still be there for me.”

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Charles Johnson  Nov 21, 2016 • 7:21:22pm
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Belafon  Nov 21, 2016 • 7:22:02pm

I’m assuming others got the email from Obama I did:

When I arrived in Washington in 2005, Republicans controlled the Senate and the House, and the Presidency. Things were looking pretty bleak. But then two years later, Democrats were taking over Congress. And four years later, I was getting sworn in as President of the United States.

So I’ve seen Democrats fight back and make the kind of change we want to see — and the reason that happens is because of folks like you. Because we can learn our lessons, brush ourselves off, and get back to work more fired up and committed than ever before. I hope you’re ready, Lonnie — because we need you standing by our side now more than ever.

Losses are tough. Unexpected losses are even tougher. But when we’re ready — and that time is going to be sooner rather than later — we are going to come together and focus on our way ahead.

Because even when I become a private citizen in a few months, I’m not going to stop working on behalf of the things I care about. And I hope you won’t stop either. We’ve come so far together — and this notion that somehow all the work we’ve done suddenly gets stripped away is simply not true. We’ve done so much that, even if the next administration rolls back 20 percent of that, we’re still 80 percent ahead. And even that is not going to be as easy as some people think — especially if folks like you continue to make the case and mobilize.

I get the impression that he won’t be sitting back after the presidency.

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ObserverArt  Nov 21, 2016 • 7:22:37pm

re: #333 Nyet

I can’t read people’s minds. What I can is say that such generalizing rhetoric is destructive, regardless of intent.

Well, I for one have a much clearer view of how serious you do take it. And I can appreciate your thoroughness and studied comments.

There is however always a casualness to all forms of communications. This isn’t clinical. That takes away some of the fun.

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Nyet  Nov 21, 2016 • 7:25:01pm

re: #342 ObserverArt

No prob.

PS: Have a kitten. Or a bunch ;)

Kittens see / do things for the first time - Funny and cute cat compilation

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stpaulbear  Nov 21, 2016 • 7:29:02pm

I was watching random stuff on YouTube yesterday and caught one of those disaster programs that was focusing on earthquake preparedness along the coast in northern California, Oregon and Washington. It got me to wondering what Trump’s FEMA is going to be like. How is this republican led government going to cope with any major disaster over the next couple years? This is going to be so ugly.

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William Lewis  Nov 21, 2016 • 7:29:25pm

re: #343 Nyet

No prob.

PS: Have a kitten. Or a bunch ;)

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Kitteh is where we fully agree.

I dearly wish my landlord would let me keep a kitteh, I so badly miss the previous ones in my life…

Forgive me…

Thank you.

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Charles Johnson  Nov 21, 2016 • 7:30:50pm
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Scottishdragon  Nov 21, 2016 • 7:31:38pm

Our corporate overlords and the police will not let the plebes go unpunished.

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Nyet  Nov 21, 2016 • 7:32:24pm
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jaunte  Nov 21, 2016 • 7:34:06pm

Oh, hi Nigel Farage.

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Scottishdragon  Nov 21, 2016 • 7:34:18pm
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stpaulbear  Nov 21, 2016 • 7:35:55pm
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Scottishdragon  Nov 21, 2016 • 7:36:01pm
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Don't Blame Me, I Voted for Kodos  Nov 21, 2016 • 7:37:16pm

For those of you who might have any doubt whatsoever that white supremacists don’t have the ear of Donald Trump, the Associated Press was able to get a hi-res photo of two of the pages of noted racist (and likely DHS nominee) Kris Kobach presented to Trump during their meeting this weekend:

usatoday.com

First page: Deport record number of criminal aliens in the first year - if you read the text it is to actually deport any non-citizen who is ACCUSED of a crime.
Second page: Draft amendments to the National Voting Rights Act

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teleskiguy  Nov 21, 2016 • 7:37:19pm

re: #350 Scottishdragon

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jaunte  Nov 21, 2016 • 7:41:15pm

Chiseler-in-chief

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Kragar  Nov 21, 2016 • 7:42:28pm
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Charles Johnson  Nov 21, 2016 • 7:43:19pm

re: #350 Scottishdragon

The operators of the Ronald Reagan Building released a statement saying they were legally obligated to rent space to whoever asks for it and can pay the fees, because it’s a federally operated facility.

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Charles Johnson  Nov 21, 2016 • 7:48:15pm
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Scottishdragon  Nov 21, 2016 • 7:51:45pm

re: #357 Charles Johnson

The operators of the Ronald Reagan Building released a statement saying they were legally obligated to rent space to whoever asks for it and can pay the fees, because it’s a federally operated facility.

Yeah, I thought something like that might be the case. A restaurant of some sort in DC got caught up in this also, and apologized for renting space for a victory party.

vanityfair.com

No restaurateur wants to start off his or her week by apologizing for accidentally hosting a group of neo-Nazis for a dinner party, but it was, apparently, an inevitability when a large group of self-described white nationalists met over the weekend in Washington, D.C., to celebrate the election of Donald Trump.

Maggiano’s Little Italy profusely apologized after hosting a pre-convention event Friday night for the National Policy Institute, which held its annual confab the following day at the Ronald Reagan Building in downtown D.C.

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Scottishdragon  Nov 21, 2016 • 7:55:52pm

Rod Dreher just posted a fawning letter praising Jeff Sessions for AG and complaining about the mean liberals on Facebook.

Of course.

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Scottishdragon  Nov 21, 2016 • 7:56:34pm

Good night lizards

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ObserverArt  Nov 21, 2016 • 7:59:39pm

re: #352 Scottishdragon

Laura M. Holson @lauramholson
Donald Trump’s Business Dealings Test a Constitutional Limit nyti.ms
10:02 PM - 21 Nov 2016

Who is being called on to check to see how much a test it is? Will Republicans start special investigative committees within the first 100 days? Heh, right.

Or is this the job of our wobbly-kneed media? Are they prepared to go after Trump in light of getting a tongue lashing from The Donald today? Or are they ready to steel themselves and go in digging knowing there is going to be pushback?

December through early January is going to be an interesting month and a half. Is it coronation or castigation time?

And since there is media discussion tonight, what tone will the media take from the get-go now that the election is past?

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freetoken  Nov 21, 2016 • 8:08:57pm

re: #362 ObserverArt

The whole emolument thing in the “Nobility Clause” has not, that I know of, been tested in action, in the Congress. And it would be Congress who would have to investigate.

I guess it’s more by tradition than anything else, but in modern times Presidents have done the blind trust thing to prove they don’t have knowledge of how their decisions would benefit them. Perhaps even then that is not enough, I don’t know, but it doesn’t appear as if any previous Congresses have thought it worthwhile to go sifting through these trusts for proof that a President is benefiting from his decisions.

Trump will probably claim all his predecessors were hypocrites, that of course they benefited from being in office because after leaving office they still have the connections they built while being in office. It’s be an interesting defense and might be enough.

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freetoken  Nov 21, 2016 • 8:12:07pm

That NYPost opinion piece is rather lame.

The MBF added at the end equates the Clinton Foundation to the various Trump enterprises.

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FormerDirtDart  Nov 21, 2016 • 8:13:19pm

re: #345 William Lewis

Kitteh is where we fully agree.

I dearly wish my landlord would let me keep a kitteh, I so badly miss the previous ones in my life…

Forgive me…

Thank you.

Some people keep a few too many

Firefighters in Fresno, California, rescued more than 30 dogs and cats trapped in a burning duplex on Monday morning

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FormerDirtDart  Nov 21, 2016 • 8:14:45pm
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Belafon  Nov 21, 2016 • 8:16:15pm

re: #364 freetoken

That NYPost opinion piece is rather lame.

The MBF added at the end equates the Clinton Foundation to the various Trump enterprises.

Of which they promised to disconnect from, and they weren’t profiting from anyway.

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teleskiguy  Nov 21, 2016 • 8:27:41pm

21-year-old woman drove her car off a cliff onto the interstate in the middle of a snowstorm. That makes nine deaths by suicide in Summit County, CO this year.

So sad.

Jeezum crow, fuck this year.

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darthstar  Nov 21, 2016 • 8:33:40pm

re: #295 The Vicious Babushka

These people just fucked themselves in the ass with a ditch witch==>

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I believe that, to these people, they can’t be any more fucked than they already are. I mean, they didn’t see measurable improvement under Obama. That’s the thing about poverty. Good luck convincing them that Hillary or Trump or Bernie or anyone will make their lives better…until someone does.

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darthstar  Nov 21, 2016 • 8:35:48pm

re: #319 calochortus

Possibly. It depends on whether Trump does what they want-if he’s impeached they get Pence. A match made in heaven. If you don’t like people much, anyway.

Yes, but what is the bridge too far that Trump has to cross before he’s impeached? Pence already started making excuses for Trump not putting his shit in a blind trust, so don’t hold your breath for that to happen.

One of the joys of absolute power is the ability to wield it absolutely…and that’s exactly what Republicans will do. They’ll fuck over as many people as they can and cry foul when you complain about it.

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Unshaken Defiance  Nov 21, 2016 • 9:07:10pm

.

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SirMixALot  Nov 22, 2016 • 2:12:30am

re: #200 Nyet

The idiots on both sides throw the baby away with the bathwater.

Not that there aren’t idiots on the Left. See Bernie Bros. But only one side is yelling Nazi slogans and beating up other Americans. The both-siderism at the moment is bizarre.

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SirMixALot  Nov 22, 2016 • 2:15:07am

re: #350 Scottishdragon

[Embedded content]

The Reagan Federal Building which is wonderfully symbolic. If its true that the organization lied about who they were to set up the meeting. Every meeting place in DC better do a better job of vetting organizations.

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SirMixALot  Nov 22, 2016 • 2:16:13am

re: #357 Charles Johnson

The operators of the Ronald Reagan Building released a statement saying they were legally obligated to rent space to whoever asks for it and can pay the fees, because it’s a federally operated facility.

Sure they are. Let’s see if Black Lives Matters, a Muslim organization or even Occupy Wall Street gets to rent out space.

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SirMixALot  Nov 22, 2016 • 2:22:37am

re: #207 Nyet

The US media is certainly better than in a whole lotta countries.

ROFL. According to whom. The U.S. media does not report real news anymore. Its click bait, propaganda and opinion pieces.

I live in the UK. Our newspapers are terrible, but you don’t get people screaming and yelling at each other on TV and radio.

I recently went on a cruise around Northern Europe. We had news from several European countries (UK, France, Italy, Germany and Spain). All of them had straight news readers. No opinion pieces. No talking heads screaming at each other. The only one that reported fake news was Russia.

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SirMixALot  Nov 22, 2016 • 2:35:55am

re: #334 Belafon

My son said that some people are wondering if 2016 is the result of too many time travelers trying to fix things. It reminded him of Ray Bradbury’s A Sound of Thunder:

No time travel needed to explain 2016. Its the force of history at work. Nothing we can do to stop it. Its like the force of nature. Read the 4th Turning by Strauss and Howe. Tom Hartmann has talked about this book a lot. They have a free website that explains their theory.

We are in the crisis era of our 80 year historical cycle. 20 years of a high/spring. 20 years of awakening/summer. 20 years of unraveling/fall. 20 years of winter/fall. Its hard to pinpoint the exact moment when the crisis era began, but 911 seems like the best guesstimate. Howe and Strauss predicted it to start in 2005, that is when Katrina happened. It is projected to end in 2020. Whether or not liberal forces will be the victors I can not say and neither can the authors. But every time the U.S. faced its previous crisis eras liberals came out the victors (American Revolution, Civil War and WW2). Its looking pretty damn bleak at the moment.

We must strategize a way to fight back in both convention and unconventional ways.


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