Major Advertising Supplier Bars Breitbart “News” for Hate Speech

Hopefully others will follow suit
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Anyone who’s aware of the vile content that’s standard fare at Breitbart “News” probably won’t be surprised by this development.

AppNexus Inc., a major advertising technology provider, has barred Breitbart News from using its ad-serving tools because the conservative online publisher violated its hate speech rules. 

AppNexus scrutinized Breitbart’s website after U.S. President-Elect Donald Trump tapped Steve Bannon, former executive chairman of Breitbart, to be White House chief strategist last week. The digital ad firm decided the publication had breached a policy against content that incites violence, said AppNexus spokesman Joshua Zeitz.

“We did a human audit of Breitbart and determined there were enough articles and headlines that cross that line, using either coded or overt language,” he said.

The website headed by the president-elect’s chief strategist is losing advertisers due to its virulent hate speech.

This is not normal.

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259 comments

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HappyWarrior  Nov 22, 2016 • 1:51:35pm

Should have happened years ago but whatever it takes. Breitbart is a disgusting hate rag. Hopefully NRO follows suit.

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electrotek  Nov 22, 2016 • 1:51:46pm

The chickens have come to roost for the hate-mongers, one website at a time.

May all the dominos fall from this point forward.

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FormerDirtDart  Nov 22, 2016 • 1:59:01pm
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Sir John Barron  Nov 22, 2016 • 1:59:27pm

Censorship! Boycott AppNexus!!! Boycott AppN…Wait, what the hell is it?

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Belafon  Nov 22, 2016 • 1:59:41pm

I wonder if there’s anything similar to the Flush Rush campaign we can do to Trump?

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Varek Raith  Nov 22, 2016 • 2:00:14pm

Good afternoon.

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Sir John Barron  Nov 22, 2016 • 2:00:53pm

re: #2 electrotek

The chickens have come to roost for the hate-mongers, one website at a time.

May all the dominos fall from this point forward.

Yeah but PEOTUS says Breitbart dot com is just a “news” site, like NYT. A little more conservative, but hey, just a “news” site.

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electrotek  Nov 22, 2016 • 2:01:12pm

Has anyone else here been accused of being “hateful” for posting actual facts about Cheeto Jesus on their social media platforms?

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Belafon  Nov 22, 2016 • 2:01:22pm

re: #3 FormerDirtDart

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electrotek  Nov 22, 2016 • 2:01:56pm

re: #7 Sir John Barron

Yeah but PEOTUS says Breitbart dot com is just a “news” site, like NYT. A little more conservative, but hey, just a “news” site.

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If there’s one conservative publication that has been critical of Trump, it’s The American Conservative, but shouldn’t be surprising to anyone.

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KGxvi  Nov 22, 2016 • 2:05:33pm

re: #5 Belafon

I wonder if there’s anything similar to the Flush Rush campaign we can do to Trump?

Generate massive turnout in 2018?

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while(1) worries++;  Nov 22, 2016 • 2:07:29pm

Wait, did Hillary kidnap everyone’s balls and now she released them?

Don’t get me wrong, this is the right thing to do. But did they have to wait for Trump to get elected to act?

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Belafon  Nov 22, 2016 • 2:12:23pm

re: #12 while(1) worries++;

Wait, did Hillary kidnap everyone’s balls and now she released them?

Don’t get me wrong, this is the right thing to do. But did they have to wait for Trump to get elected to act?

So many people, like 80% of the population, do not pay much attention to what’s going on around them until theyou get smacked upside the head.

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scottslemmons  Nov 22, 2016 • 2:13:42pm

re: #5 Belafon

I wonder if there’s anything similar to the Flush Rush campaign we can do to Trump?

It might be more useful to target Trump’s cabinet, staff, and enablers. I’d prefer to have Pence hurled from public life before he gets his hands on the Oval Office.

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Myron Falwell (no relation)  Nov 22, 2016 • 2:14:40pm

From the Bloomberg article:

Google’s DoubleClick service, the leader in digital display advertising, still powers ads on Breitbart’s website. That’s despite Google rules barring its ads from running next to “harassing or bullying content” and “content that incites or advocates for harm against an individual or group.” A spokeswoman for Google declined to comment.

Other ad tech companies whose networks work with Breitbart defended their partnerships as evidence of the web’s openness. Ad firm OpenX is “proud to support a free and vibrant internet,” said spokeswoman Lekha Rao.

“We do not make it our business to police editorial content,” said Jeffrey Hirsch, Chief Marketing Officer for Pubmatic, which offers tracking tools that appear on Breitbart . com.

So those are the other dominos.

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KGxvi  Nov 22, 2016 • 2:16:41pm

re: #3 FormerDirtDart

But I thought he knew more than the generals!

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wrenchwench  Nov 22, 2016 • 2:19:41pm

From the link at the top:

The digital ad firm decided the publication had breached a policy against content that incites violence, said AppNexus spokesman Joshua Zeitz.

“We did a human audit of Breitbart and determined…”

A Human Audit. And found none.

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Belafon  Nov 22, 2016 • 2:21:24pm

re: #15 Myron Falwell (no relation)

From the Bloomberg article:

So those are the other dominos.

We need to go after these companies to stop them as well.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 22, 2016 • 2:21:26pm

re: #9 Belafon

Which is why its so disturbing who he surrounds himself with.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 22, 2016 • 2:26:31pm

BISMARCK, N.D. (AP) — A New York woman seriously hurt protesting the Dakota Access oil pipeline faces multiple surgeries and could lose an arm, her father said Tuesday, and protesters and law enforcement gave conflicting accounts about what might have caused the explosion that injured her.

Sophia Wilansky, 21, was listed in serious condition and was undergoing surgery at a Minneapolis hospital.

Wilansky’s father, Wayne Wilansky, said his daughter was hurt when law enforcement threw a grenade. The Morton County Sheriff’s Office maintains authorities did not use concussion grenades or any devices that produce a flash or bang during a clash late Sunday and early Monday near the camp along the pipeline route in southern North Dakota where protesters have gathered for months.

The sheriff’s office suggested in a statement Monday that an explosion heard during the skirmish might have been caused by small propane tanks that authorities said protesters had rigged to explode.

Dallas Goldtooth, a protest organizer with the Indigenous Environmental Network, did not immediately respond to a request for comment Tuesday. Wayne Wilansky disputed the claim by authorities, saying “there’s multiple witnesses and my daughter, who was completely conscious, said they threw a grenade right at her.”

The North Dakota Highway Patrol in a statement Tuesday backed up the sheriff’s office’s version of events, saying officers during the skirmish spotted protesters with “multiple silver cylinder objects.”

“It was at this time an explosion occurred and several protesters ran to the area, pulled a female from under the burned vehicle, and fled the scene,” the patrol said.

Officers who investigated found 1-pound propane tanks “including one that appeared to be intentionally punctured,” the agency statement said.

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makeitstop  Nov 22, 2016 • 2:26:49pm

So…an editor from Politico doxxed Spencer?

A Politico editor has resigned after publishing what he said were addresses for prominent white nationalist Richard Spencer on Facebook.

The Daily Caller reported that national editor Michael Hirsh had resigned after publishing a Facebook post Tuesday that read “Stop whining about Richard B. Spencer, Nazi, and exercise your rights as decent Americans.”

“Here are his two addresses,” Hirsh continued, before listing two addresses he claimed belonged to Spencer. The post the Daily Caller piece referenced are no longer accessible on Hirsh’s public page.

Hirsh also had tweeted on Monday “it’s good that neo-Nazi Richard Spencer is moving to Washington. It’s important that we know where he lives.”

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Nyet  Nov 22, 2016 • 2:27:39pm

re: #3 FormerDirtDart

Malleable as a piece of shit. Oh wait…

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Nyet  Nov 22, 2016 • 2:29:54pm

re: #21 makeitstop

Seriously not cool.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 22, 2016 • 2:31:11pm

re: #23 Nyet

Seriously not cool.

Yep agreed.

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Nyet  Nov 22, 2016 • 2:32:48pm

re: #24 HappyWarrior

He was basically inciting violence, there is no other use in posting the addresses.

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Nyet  Nov 22, 2016 • 2:33:55pm

re: #25 Nyet

Oh. In fact he was open about violence:

“I wasn’t thinking of a fucking letter, Doug. He lives part of the time next door to me in Arlington. Our grandfathers brought baseball bats to Bund meetings. Want to join me?”

Jail-worthy IMHO.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 22, 2016 • 2:37:55pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 22, 2016 • 2:38:43pm
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makeitstop  Nov 22, 2016 • 2:39:14pm

To be clear: I posted the link above without comment. I don’t support what he did, just reporting the story.

Don’t jump to conclusions here, thanks.

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Charles Johnson  Nov 22, 2016 • 2:39:17pm
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Nyet  Nov 22, 2016 • 2:40:26pm

re: #29 makeitstop

I don’t think anybody will.;)

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HappyWarrior  Nov 22, 2016 • 2:40:27pm

re: #25 Nyet

He was basically inciting violence, there is no other use in posting the addresses.

Yeah. It’s just not cool to do that for obvious reasons.

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Myron Falwell (no relation)  Nov 22, 2016 • 2:41:44pm

re: #20 Backwoods_Sleuth

The sheriff’s office suggested in a statement Monday that an explosion heard during the skirmish might have been caused by small propane tanks that authorities said protesters had rigged to explode.

Is it wrong for me to assume that these LEOs are outright lying and could be engaging in defamation of character?

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The Vicious Babushka  Nov 22, 2016 • 2:42:57pm

re: #32 HappyWarrior

Yeah. It’s just not cool to do that for obvious reasons.

Not only is it not cool, it is positively criminal.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 22, 2016 • 2:44:07pm

That’s nice, Kristol. Go ahead and ruin something else for the rest of us. It’s bad enough that your prediction of a Clinton win gave us President Elect Trump.

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makeitstop  Nov 22, 2016 • 2:44:51pm

re: #34 The Vicious Babushka

Not only is it not cool, it is positively criminal.

It surprises me that the national editor of Politico did it.

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wrenchwench  Nov 22, 2016 • 2:46:00pm

re: #33 Myron Falwell (no relation)

Is it wrong for me to assume that these LEOs are outright lying and engaging in defamation of character?

An assumption could be wrong. A hypothetical conclusion based on past activities, less likely.

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Targetpractice  Nov 22, 2016 • 2:48:24pm

re: #35 Blind Frog Belly White

That’s nice, Kristol. Go ahead and ruin something else for the rest of us. It’s bad enough that your prediction of a Clinton win gave us President Elect Trump.

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“Now I’ve got a machine gun. Ho ho ho.”

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Skip Intro  Nov 22, 2016 • 2:50:22pm

re: #35 Blind Frog Belly White

That’s nice, Kristol. Go ahead and ruin something else for the rest of us. It’s bad enough that your prediction of a Clinton win gave us President Elect Trump.

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That was the moment when I started getting that sinking feeling in my gut, then Karl Rove steped in and agreed with him.

She never had a chance after that.

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Myron Falwell (no relation)  Nov 22, 2016 • 2:50:55pm

re: #35 Blind Frog Belly White

That’s nice, Kristol. Go ahead and ruin something else for the rest of us. It’s bad enough that your prediction of a Clinton win gave us President Elect Trump.

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Bill Kristol is to political prognostication as to what the Cleveland Browns are to the NFL.

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Scottishdragon  Nov 22, 2016 • 2:53:24pm

Rod Dreher has decided the liberal media cannot be trusted with anything, so they must be lying about Bannon…

I’ll tell you what was taking so long: I genuinely can’t get a handle on Bannon. As I started reading up on him, I realized that I had absorbed the narrative that he is a complete and total villain. But something about the stories and opinion pieces I was reading about him didn’t quite fit. I couldn’t put my finger on it. Then I read the transcript of a 2014 speech he gave at a Vatican conference, and it set me back.

...That war triggered a century of barbaric — unparalleled in mankind’s history — virtually 180 to 200 million people were killed in the 20th century, and I believe that, you know, hundreds of years from now when they look back, we’re children of that: We’re children of that barbarity. This will be looked at almost as a new Dark Age.

But the thing that got us out of it, the organizing principle that met this, was not just the heroism of our people — whether it was French resistance fighters, whether it was the Polish resistance fighters, or it’s the young men from Kansas City or the Midwest who stormed the beaches of Normandy, commandos in England that fought with the Royal Air Force, that fought this great war, really the Judeo-Christian West versus atheists, right? …
…And we’re at the very beginning stages of a very brutal and bloody conflict, of which if the people in this room, the people in the church, do not bind together and really form what I feel is an aspect of the church militant, to really be able to not just stand with our beliefs, but to fight for our beliefs against this new barbarity that’s starting, that will completely eradicate everything that we’ve been bequeathed over the last 2,000, 2,500 years

*****

Yes, right! A guy with this kind of insight is the white supremacist ogre moving into a White House office? Really? More, from the Q&A:

…when capitalism was I believe at its highest flower and spreading its benefits to most of mankind, almost all of those capitalists were strong believers in the Judeo-Christian West. They were either active participants in the Jewish faith, they were active participants in the Christians’ faith, and they took their beliefs, and the underpinnings of their beliefs was manifested in the work they did. And I think that’s incredibly important and something that would really become unmoored.

This is the anti-Semite troll I’ve been told so much about? Again: really? Bannon, a veteran of Goldman Sachs, spends a big part of the Q&A period criticizing crony capitalism, in particular conservative politicians who support it.

Read the whole thing. Note well that Bannon gave this speech, and answered questions about it (also in the transcript), in 2014. I agree with a lot of what he says here, though I fear that his belief that the racists and anti-Semites of the Alt-Right will “all burn away over time and you’ll see more of a mainstream center-right populist movement” — I fear that that is too naive.

Rod is looking for any reason he can find to justify going along with the alt right while still claiming his holier than all the rest of us status.

So he will blame the media and say Bannon was smeared by liberals.

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Scottishdragon  Nov 22, 2016 • 2:55:02pm

Dreher especially loves to blame (insert strawman culture war meme about liberals here) for why conservatives do whatever it is they just did or why Trump was elected.

Usually some story about college kids on a campus or something a liberal professor wrote in a journal that nobody had heard about until Dreher started screaming about it.

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Nyet  Nov 22, 2016 • 2:59:36pm

re: #41 Scottishdragon

But the thing that got us out of it, the organizing principle that met this, was not just the heroism of our people — whether it was French resistance fighters, whether it was the Polish resistance fighters, or it’s the young men from Kansas City or the Midwest who stormed the beaches of Normandy, commandos in England that fought with the Royal Air Force, that fought this great war, really the Judeo-Christian West versus atheists, right? …

Wait, in history according to Bannon America and Europe fought against the USSR?

half-/

I don’t have enough facepalms. Not only a bigot but also a complete ignoramus.

Yes, right! A guy with this kind of insight is the white supremacist ogre moving into a White House office?

This kind of insight!

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wrenchwench  Nov 22, 2016 • 2:59:43pm

re: #41 Scottishdragon

Rod Dreher has decided the liberal media cannot be trusted with anything, so they must be lying about Bannon…

Rod is looking for any reason he can find to justify going along with the alt right while still claiming his holier than all the rest of us status.

So he will blame the media and say Bannon was smeared by liberals.

And the impurities will all burn away over time. Lovely.

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Targetpractice  Nov 22, 2016 • 2:59:45pm

re: #41 Scottishdragon

Rod Dreher has decided the liberal media cannot be trusted with anything, so they must be lying about Bannon…

Rod is looking for any reason he can find to justify going along with the alt right while still claiming his holier than all the rest of us status.

So he will blame the media and say Bannon was smeared by liberals.

The “holier than thou,” “above it all” crowd have been hard at work for the last two weeks now, trying to normalize Trump and his racist cabal as just another new administration, any outrageous positions and views just “difference of opinion.” Dig deep enough into the metric tonne of shit and you can find some small speck of humanity that you can use to justify the argument that they’re not racist bigots, they’re just “normal” people.

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Pawn of the Oppressor  Nov 22, 2016 • 3:02:19pm

re: #21 makeitstop

I agree that Spencer and his ilk need to understand that they won’t go un-resisted, but that’s obviously not the way to do it.

What I think should be made public are the names and employers of everyone who attended that conference. Non-Nazi Americans have a right to know if their neighbors and co-workers are white nationalists.

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Scottishdragon  Nov 22, 2016 • 3:03:29pm

re: #43 Nyet

Wait, in history according to Bannon America and Europe fought against the USSR?

half-/

I don’t have enough facepalms. Not only a bigot but also a complete ignoramus.

This kind of insight!

Rod has a mancrush (I just couldn’t keep what I had here before) on anybody who says Christian religion and culture wins everything all the time and we are entering a NEW DARK AGE!!!!! because we are not doctrinally sound.

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Myron Falwell (no relation)  Nov 22, 2016 • 3:03:34pm

re: #41 Scottishdragon

Wait a minute. Bannon claims to be a Lenin devotee and loves Satan… and he didn’t burst into flames upon entering the Vatican?

🔥🔥🔥

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OhNoZombies!  Nov 22, 2016 • 3:04:14pm

re: #40 Myron Falwell (no relation)

Bill Kristol is to political prognostication as to what the Cleveland Browns are to the NFL.

:-P
So what if they’ve ruined every Sunday during the season that I can remember./

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Nyet  Nov 22, 2016 • 3:05:14pm

re: #47 Scottishdragon

Rod has a throbbing 5 inch hard on for anybody who says Christian religion and culture wins everything all the time and we are entering a NEW DARK AGE!!!!! because we are not doctrinally sound.

He can always go to Russia and perform aniligus on Patriarch Kirill for more doctrinal enlightenment.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 22, 2016 • 3:05:37pm

so, 2016 in the Backwoods continues to be sucky.

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freetoken  Nov 22, 2016 • 3:06:00pm

re: #42 Scottishdragon

I’ve already seen that sneaking into the memes the Trump supporters are posting to my Facebook wall. This came about in response to the protests on the west coast.

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Scottishdragon  Nov 22, 2016 • 3:07:48pm

Going to lay down for a bit. BBL.

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Skip Intro  Nov 22, 2016 • 3:07:58pm

re: #51 Backwoods_Sleuth

One reason is what a trip to the ER costs.

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We're Way Beyond Snark  Nov 22, 2016 • 3:08:08pm

{{{{BWS and Mr. BWS}}}}

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KGxvi  Nov 22, 2016 • 3:09:16pm

re: #33 Myron Falwell (no relation)

Is it wrong for me to assume that these LEOs are outright lying and could be engaging in defamation of character?

Defamation, legally speaking, usually has to specifically identify someone with the untruthful statement. Saying generally that “protesters did this or that” probably isn’t enough. Now, if they were to say this particular protester or protesters did this (and of course, they didn’t do this thing) then it would be defamation.

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jaunte  Nov 22, 2016 • 3:09:18pm
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HappyWarrior  Nov 22, 2016 • 3:10:34pm

re: #58 jaunte

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OFFS you lost the popular vote and won the states that provided your margin of victory barely. You won but don’t fucking act like you won in a landslide, Sean.

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Targetpractice  Nov 22, 2016 • 3:10:50pm

re: #51 Backwoods_Sleuth

so, 2016 in the Backwoods continues to be sucky.

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Because we’re hardwired to think that every emergency is either “overblown” or that there’s a cheap fix. Case in point, the HVAC unit in our house is on the fritz again and I just informed my father. Instead of agreeing with my assessment (which has been right the last 3 times we’ve had issues since this unit was installed), he gave the exact same line: “Just change the filters.”

Because, you know, just because it didn’t work the last 3 times doesn’t mean the 4th time won’t be the charm./////

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KGxvi  Nov 22, 2016 • 3:11:02pm

re: #58 jaunte

I think he meant “petty unanimously” as it “all the petty assholes voted for Trump”

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calochortus  Nov 22, 2016 • 3:11:54pm

re: #51 Backwoods_Sleuth

so, 2016 in the Backwoods continues to be sucky.

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Skip Intro  Nov 22, 2016 • 3:12:23pm

re: #58 jaunte

We’re all going to have to get used to translating Trumpspeak into English, I’m afraid.

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TedStriker  Nov 22, 2016 • 3:13:29pm

re: #63 Skip Intro

We’re all going to have to get used to translating Trumpspeak into English, I’m afraid.

Anyone make a Universal Translator yet?

///

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 22, 2016 • 3:13:34pm

re: #54 Skip Intro

One reason is what a trip to the ER costs.

doesn’t cost as much as a funeral.

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Targetpractice  Nov 22, 2016 • 3:13:51pm

re: #58 jaunte

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Obama was the first president to win by better than 50% of the popular vote and 300+ electoral college votes since ‘84. He not only did so twice, he won states that had been viewed as reliably red for generations. Wingnuts insisted he wasn’t elected by the “majority” of voters and argued that he had no mandate as a result.

But Trump wins by less than 300 EVs and loses the popular vote, but he’s treated as if he’s Reagan incarnate.

FFS.

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nines09  Nov 22, 2016 • 3:14:40pm

re: #51 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 22, 2016 • 3:15:05pm

re: #58 jaunte

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“Newspeak”… it haz arrived.

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Myron Falwell (no relation)  Nov 22, 2016 • 3:16:53pm

re: #57 KGxvi

Defamation, legally speaking, usually has to specifically identify someone with the untruthful statement. Saying generally that “protesters did this or that” probably isn’t enough. Now, if they were to say this particular protester or protesters did this (and of course, they didn’t do this thing) then it would be defamation.

Which is fair. It’s only the current behavior by the LEOs that don’t inspire any semblance of trust whatsoever (especially some of their recent tactics to redefine the terminology of pepper spray).

If they are embellishing to any degree (more likely than defamation) this could wind up becoming even more of a gigantic PR nightmare for them.

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wrenchwench  Nov 22, 2016 • 3:18:31pm

re: #51 Backwoods_Sleuth

so, 2016 in the Backwoods continues to be sucky.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 22, 2016 • 3:19:48pm

re: #62 calochortus

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 22, 2016 • 3:20:59pm

re: #67 nines09

LOL! That’s one of my all time favorite tombstone inscriptions.

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Skip Intro  Nov 22, 2016 • 3:21:04pm

re: #64 TedStriker

Anyone make a Universal Translator yet?

///

It would have to work on every surrogate since they all lie, but lie differently. Needs a GoFundMe page.

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CuriousLurker  Nov 22, 2016 • 3:21:39pm

Thanos, I see you in the user list for this thread—are you watching?

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Nyet  Nov 22, 2016 • 3:22:38pm

re: #59 HappyWarrior

OFFS you lost the popular vote and won the states that provided your margin of victory barely. You won but don’t fucking act like you won in a landslide, Sean.

I’ve been having an online discussion with a guy from Brazil who I had used to think was reasonable but who turned out to have an incurable case of the CDS, and one of his arguments was that the Am. election was a rejection of Clinton. Um, that would have only made sense if the election was decided on a popular vote…

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calochortus  Nov 22, 2016 • 3:23:48pm

Gah. KellyAnne on The News Hour blathering. Apparently it’s immigrants and minorities on fault that they’re frightened. They need to quit being negative and join the conversation, but if they demonstrate outside Trump Tower, it’s really frightening for the Trump people and they should stop.

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Skip Intro  Nov 22, 2016 • 3:24:05pm

re: #72 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Skip Intro  Nov 22, 2016 • 3:24:44pm

re: #76 calochortus

She’s never going to go away, is she?

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calochortus  Nov 22, 2016 • 3:25:50pm

re: #78 Skip Intro

She’s never going to go away, is she?

I suppose she will-eventually. Meanwhile we’d better get used to the perky flow of jibberish.

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Timothy Watson  Nov 22, 2016 • 3:26:19pm

One good thing about only having 40 friends on Facebook? It’s pretty easy to keep track of everybody.

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calochortus  Nov 22, 2016 • 3:27:31pm

re: #80 Timothy Watson

One good thing about only having 40 friends on Facebook? It’s pretty easy to keep track of everybody.

It’s easier if you’re not even on Facebook. ;)

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 22, 2016 • 3:28:27pm

re: #77 Skip Intro

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LOL!
MrBWS is on FB but he has no idea how to log into his account or even find FB to see anything.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 22, 2016 • 3:30:39pm

MrBWS has had me taking photos every evening since Sunday so he can show his superintendent and foreman what has been going on.

I am so sparing all of you by not sharing them here because they are really really scary looking.

;)

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KGxvi  Nov 22, 2016 • 3:32:05pm

re: #69 Myron Falwell (no relation)

Which is fair. It’s only the current behavior by the LEOs that don’t inspire any semblance of trust whatsoever (especially some of their recent tactics to redefine the terminology of pepper spray).

If they are embellishing to any degree (more likely than defamation) this could wind up becoming even more of a gigantic PR nightmare for them.

I do tend to believe that there has been a breakdown of trust in institutions in our society (not that I was ever really trusting of them to begin with), but the breakdown has been hastened by the institutions themselves. And a free society can only exist if it there is some basic trust that institutions act fairly. This may turn out to be another example, sadly, though, a rather large portion of the population isn’t paying attention.

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CuriousLurker  Nov 22, 2016 • 3:33:23pm

re: #83 Backwoods_Sleuth

MrBWS has had me taking photos every evening since Sunday so he can show his superintendent and foreman what has been going on.

I am so sparing all of you by not sharing them here because they are really really scary looking.

;)

I made the mistake of searching Google Images to see what it looks like. 😝

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wrenchwench  Nov 22, 2016 • 3:35:45pm

re: #80 Timothy Watson

One good thing about only having 40 friends on Facebook? It’s pretty easy to keep track of everybody.

Your comment made me go look. I have 48. That includes one dog, one non-human (a group of distant relatives) one deceased person, and three or so I have interacted with.

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Belafon  Nov 22, 2016 • 3:35:59pm

re: #85 CuriousLurker

I made the mistake of searching Google Images to see what it looks like. 😝

The one where part of the woman’s face is missing….

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wrenchwench  Nov 22, 2016 • 3:37:28pm

re: #85 CuriousLurker

I made the mistake of searching Google Images to see what it looks like. 😝

I googled the foot problem electrotek mentioned last week, and my toe got sore.

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freetoken  Nov 22, 2016 • 3:37:38pm

We’re still counting here… Clinton is now about 300k votes short of Obama 2012, and Trump is 800k short of Romney.

The number of votes cast for President looks like this year will top 2012 by a noticeable margin. It all depends upon the provisional ballots.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 22, 2016 • 3:38:28pm

re: #85 CuriousLurker

I made the mistake of searching Google Images to see what it looks like. 😝

Really freaky stuff. A friend of mine died of that back in the 1980s because it went full body sepsis after starting in one of her legs. That’s the one and only time I’d ever heard of it and totally forgot about it until today.

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teleskiguy  Nov 22, 2016 • 3:39:02pm

This is the funniest thing on Twitter today.

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BeachDem  Nov 22, 2016 • 3:40:27pm

re: #91 teleskiguy

This is the funniest thing on Twitter today.

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Weren’t the Bikers for Trump calling for ONE THOUSAND BIKERS TO PROTEST OUTSIDE THE HAMILTON THEATER!! Wonder how that turned out…

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electrotek  Nov 22, 2016 • 3:40:34pm

Why are Middle Eastern Christians so fucking naive?

In a conversation with Breitbart News, Christian leaders from the Chaldean Syriac Assyrian community in Iraq and Syria congratulated Trump on his electoral victory. They also called on the U.S. President-elect, who promised to defend Christians worldwide during his campaign, to help the Assyrians return to their homeland.

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Belafon  Nov 22, 2016 • 3:41:04pm

Some creative people at Arby’s have been doing some pretty good nerdy tie-ins. Here’s one for you Night Vale fans:

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Nov 22, 2016 • 3:41:43pm

re: #93 electrotek

After this election, the Assyrians can go piss off.

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Timothy Watson  Nov 22, 2016 • 3:42:31pm

re: #91 teleskiguy

I want a Harley so so bad!!

Or he could get three bikes from another manufacturer for the price of a Harley.

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electrotek  Nov 22, 2016 • 3:43:02pm

re: #95 Ziggy_TARDIS

After this election, the Assyrians can go piss off.

Did you see the video of an Assyrian woman in San Francisco being verbally abused by some crazed Trump-supporting wackjob in a BART train? And yet so many Assyrians voted for Trump /facepalm

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Skip Intro  Nov 22, 2016 • 3:43:38pm

re: #93 electrotek

They also called on the U.S. President-elect, who promised to defend Christians worldwide during his campaign, to help the Assyrians return to their homeland

How much are they willing to pay? The spawn will be taking bids to decide which side they’ll support.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 22, 2016 • 3:43:56pm

IMPEACH!!!!

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Myron Falwell (no relation)  Nov 22, 2016 • 3:44:54pm

re: #91 teleskiguy

This is the funniest thing on Twitter today.

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“Tings should go smoothly if they are present.”

The Ting Tings?

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BeachDem  Nov 22, 2016 • 3:45:15pm

I’m sorry, but I don’t think this is a condemnation as all of the media have been calling it. I’d call it a mild chastisement and a sorry/not sorry.

“I don’t want to energize the group, and I disavow the group,” Trump told a group of New York Times reporters and columnists during a meeting at the newspaper’s headquarters in New York. “It’s not a group I want to energize, and if they are energized, I want to look into it and find out why,” he added, according to one of the Times reporters in the room, Michael Grynbaum.

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Nyet  Nov 22, 2016 • 3:45:18pm

re: #91 teleskiguy

I would have tweeted this at him, but it requires a paragraph of explanations…

Generation P. Russia awaken! (Press CC for English subtitles)

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Skip Intro  Nov 22, 2016 • 3:45:32pm

re: #91 teleskiguy

This is the funniest thing on Twitter today.

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He makes $30 million a year and can’t afford to buy one?

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GlutenFreeJesus  Nov 22, 2016 • 3:45:42pm
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stpaulbear  Nov 22, 2016 • 3:45:56pm

re: #61 KGxvi

I think he meant “petty unanimously” as it “all the petty assholes voted for Trump”

Maybe he meant to say pretty anonymously. Like all of them that won’t admit to voting for him now that he’s going to be in office.

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electrotek  Nov 22, 2016 • 3:46:03pm

re: #98 Skip Intro

How much are they willing to pay? The spawn will be taking bids to decide which side they’ll support.

Good question, since they don’t have much clout to begin with. More from the link:

Assyrian Patriotic Party and Assyrian Christian militia Dwekh Nawsha leader Emanuel Khoshaba Youkhana said standing by the Assyrian people is tantamount to supporting those who share the Judeo-Christian values that helped shaped America.

“As an Assyrian Christian and as one of the leaders of the Assyrian people, I am reaching out to President-elect Trump to ask for his support in helping the Assyrian people to achieve their aspirations to reside in their historical homeland,” said Youkhana. “In doing so, I wish to assure President-elect Trump that a strong and viable Assyrian Christian community in the Middle East will be a stalwart friend and steadfast ally of the United States,” he continued

Syriac Catholic Patriarch Ignatius Ephrem Joseph III Younan, on the other hand, is hopeful that Trump will “help secure peace” and safeguard Christianity’s future in its historical cradle in the Middle East. He also expressed hope that American politicians will urge their people to not close their eyes to the ongoing atrocities, genocide, and persecution that Christians and other members of the minority in Iraq and Syria have experienced.

In an exclusive interview with Christian Broadcasting Network’s The Brody File before he ran for president, Trump said he will be the “greatest representative of the Christians they’ve had in a long time.”

Trump also expressed his outrage at the fact that many Christians in Iraq and Syria cannot come to the United States to escape persecution even if they want to, but Muslims from the same region can easily come. He said Christians are getting bad treatment because they have no one to represent them.

Make that what you will.

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Nyet  Nov 22, 2016 • 3:46:27pm

Yay, it’s another ethnic bigotry day in certain quarters.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Nov 22, 2016 • 3:47:37pm

re: #91 teleskiguy

Where’s that pic of that trucker protest a few years ago with the empty highway? lol

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electrotek  Nov 22, 2016 • 3:47:39pm

re: #106 electrotek

If Bush didn’t make things better for them, what in God’s name makes them believe a charlatan like El Trumpo would change course over there?

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teleskiguy  Nov 22, 2016 • 3:49:29pm

re: #91 teleskiguy

twitter.com

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nines09  Nov 22, 2016 • 3:50:45pm

re: #65 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 22, 2016 • 3:50:47pm

re: #103 Skip Intro

He makes $30 million a year and can’t afford to buy one?

He can buy one, but probably can’t actually ride one.

It would probably be something like Arte Johnson riding the tricycle on Laugh In.

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gocart mozart  Nov 22, 2016 • 3:54:30pm
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teleskiguy  Nov 22, 2016 • 3:56:53pm
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Timothy Watson  Nov 22, 2016 • 3:58:12pm

re: #114 teleskiguy

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NCAA will vacate wins over academic violations, but cover up three decades of child sexual abuse and it’s no problem.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Nov 22, 2016 • 3:58:43pm

re: #115 Timothy Watson

Priorities, dude!

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Timothy Watson  Nov 22, 2016 • 3:58:54pm

Since I have this song stuck in my head, I’m going to torture y’all with it:

The xx - On Hold (Official Audio)

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gocart mozart  Nov 22, 2016 • 3:59:05pm

re: #91 teleskiguy

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teleskiguy  Nov 22, 2016 • 4:00:06pm

No doubt on the way to D.C. to protect Trump.

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Pawn of the Oppressor  Nov 22, 2016 • 4:02:14pm

re: #109 electrotek

There’s been a talking point floating around the Wingnosphere for years about how KenyObummer is letting in eleventy billion raving scimitar-swinging Islamic head-choppers from Syria but the good pious Chrischuns are stuck in Gubmint Paperwork hell and evil Saytin Sekrit Mewzlim Obama is ignoring their plight because he is against Chrischuns. Or something.

Wouldn’t be surprised if it literally isn’t happening, I haven’t found any facts on the issue that don’t come from Freedomeaglenewsfreedom on Facebook.

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teleskiguy  Nov 22, 2016 • 4:04:48pm
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Pawn of the Oppressor  Nov 22, 2016 • 4:06:01pm

re: #91 teleskiguy

This is the funniest thing on Twitter today.

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“I want a Harley so bad” is the mating call of the mediocre middle-aged white boy.

Ride or ride not, there is no want.

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Timothy Watson  Nov 22, 2016 • 4:06:18pm
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makeitstop  Nov 22, 2016 • 4:06:34pm

re: #100 Myron Falwell (no relation)

“Tings should go smoothly if they are present.”

The Ting Tings?

I love The Ting Tings.

The Ting Tings - That’s Not My Name

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Skip Intro  Nov 22, 2016 • 4:07:18pm

GOP Christmas present.

Texas judge blocks Obama administration’s new overtime rule from taking effect

Ho-ho-ho.

latimes.com

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makeitstop  Nov 22, 2016 • 4:07:31pm

re: #103 Skip Intro

He makes $30 million a year and can’t afford to buy one?

I’m guessing the wife said nope.

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nines09  Nov 22, 2016 • 4:09:35pm

Dear Sean……

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electrotek  Nov 22, 2016 • 4:10:39pm

re: #120 Pawn of the Oppressor

There’s been a talking point floating around the Wingnosphere for years about how KenyObummer is letting in eleventy billion raving scimitar-swinging Islamic head-choppers from Syria but the good pious Chrischuns are stuck in Gubmint Paperwork hell and evil Saytin Sekrit Mewzlim Obama is ignoring their plight because he is against Chrischuns. Or something.

Wouldn’t be surprised if it literally isn’t happening, I haven’t found any facts on the issue that don’t come from Freedomeaglenewsfreedom on Facebook.

Spot on. I know I mentioned this before, but I can’t help but to note the immense cognitive dissonance displayed here by wingnuts.

On one hand they purport to be the vanguard of Middle Eastern Christianity, even though they supported an illegal invasion that directly contributed to the destruction of it. They keep advocating more Christians to arrive in this country from there. They already contributed to destroying Japanese Christianity by nuking Nagasaki, so what’s the big deal in the Middle East, right?

But on the other, when it comes to Christians from Central America, where they are fleeing not from Muslim extremists but from drug cartels? Not a pint of outrage from these self-described guardians of the Cross. When it came to allowing Dominicans to settle in America, this was the response by our own beloved Jeff Sessions:

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Timothy Watson  Nov 22, 2016 • 4:11:47pm
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nines09  Nov 22, 2016 • 4:13:45pm

re: #129 Timothy Watson

He saw Ben’s resume…….

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Myron Falwell (no relation)  Nov 22, 2016 • 4:13:53pm

re: #125 Skip Intro

GOP Christmas present.

Texas judge blocks Obama administration’s new overtime rule from taking effect

Ho-ho-ho.

latimes.com

YOU’LL SHOOT YER EYE OUT, KID!

Merry Christmas.

HO HO HOOOOOOOOOO

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gocart mozart  Nov 22, 2016 • 4:14:15pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 22, 2016 • 4:14:23pm

re: #125 Skip Intro

GOP Christmas present.

Texas judge blocks Obama administration’s new overtime rule from taking effect

Ho-ho-ho.

latimes.com

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wrenchwench  Nov 22, 2016 • 4:15:28pm
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Skip Intro  Nov 22, 2016 • 4:16:02pm

re: #128 electrotek

We have a critical shortage of young strippers from Eastern Europe. Fixing this should be a priority of the Trump WH.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Nov 22, 2016 • 4:17:15pm
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gocart mozart  Nov 22, 2016 • 4:17:21pm
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InfidelOfFreedom  Nov 22, 2016 • 4:17:26pm

re: #128 electrotek

Other than being a beady-eyed Klan apologist, what exactly is Jeff Sessions’ skill?

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electrotek  Nov 22, 2016 • 4:18:16pm

re: #138 InfidelOfFreedom

Other than being a beady-eyed Klan apologist, what exactly is Jeff Sessions’ skill?

Being an ass-kisser to El Trumpo perhaps?

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ObserverArt  Nov 22, 2016 • 4:18:40pm

re: #135 Skip Intro

We have a critical shortage of young strippers from Eastern Europe. Fixing this should be a priority of the Trump WH.

I get the chills when I see “Trump” and “fixing” together. I fear the actual definition of “fix” in this context.

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wrenchwench  Nov 22, 2016 • 4:19:15pm
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ObserverArt  Nov 22, 2016 • 4:20:05pm

re: #138 InfidelOfFreedom

Other than being a beady-eyed Klan apologist, what exactly is Jeff Sessions’ skill?

History reenactment.

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gocart mozart  Nov 22, 2016 • 4:21:11pm
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electrotek  Nov 22, 2016 • 4:21:37pm

re: #136 GlutenFreeJesus

lol classic

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The Vicious Babushka  Nov 22, 2016 • 4:23:17pm

US Presidents at the beginning and end of their terms

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thedopefishlives  Nov 22, 2016 • 4:31:43pm

Evening Lizardim.

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Charles Johnson  Nov 22, 2016 • 4:33:16pm
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gocart mozart  Nov 22, 2016 • 4:33:34pm
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InfidelOfFreedom  Nov 22, 2016 • 4:33:58pm

re: #145 The Vicious Babushka

Presidenting - It’s like meth with better furniture.

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Charles Johnson  Nov 22, 2016 • 4:41:45pm
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HappyWarrior  Nov 22, 2016 • 4:43:46pm

re: #150 Charles Johnson

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I was saying boo-urns.

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nines09  Nov 22, 2016 • 4:46:09pm

re: #138 InfidelOfFreedom

Original Deplorable. Charter member.

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Charles Johnson  Nov 22, 2016 • 4:49:10pm
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HappyWarrior  Nov 22, 2016 • 4:50:10pm

re: #153 Charles Johnson

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If I can die without ever hearing the word “cuck” again, I’ll be happy. It’s so juvenile and sutpid.

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thedopefishlives  Nov 22, 2016 • 4:51:19pm

re: #154 HappyWarrior

Yeah, that’s not likely to happen. That would require the idiots saying it to go away, and while I would have imagined that their heads would have collapsed by now under the force of gravity, clearly there must be some kind of vacuum pressure keeping them intact.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 22, 2016 • 5:11:57pm
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Myron Falwell (no relation)  Nov 22, 2016 • 5:13:36pm

re: #157 jaunte

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Remind me again why they don’t want to be called “deplorable?” //

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 22, 2016 • 5:14:10pm
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Stanley Sea  Nov 22, 2016 • 5:14:49pm

Must watch

*sniff*

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thedopefishlives  Nov 22, 2016 • 5:16:08pm

re: #163 Backwoods_Sleuth

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SOYLENT GREEN CHEMTRAILS IS PEOPLE!!!!

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Charles Johnson  Nov 22, 2016 • 5:17:18pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 22, 2016 • 5:19:39pm

re: #166 Charles Johnson

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Statistical analyses, absent actual evidence of manipulation/hacking/fraud, is the garden path to madness.

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William Lewis  Nov 22, 2016 • 5:23:38pm

For those in need of something fun to follow on Twitter, may I offer this?

Almost funny enough to get me to sign up for that dumpster fire service.

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Myron Falwell (no relation)  Nov 22, 2016 • 5:24:44pm

re: #169 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Spray tan residue, 80’s hair mousse and Nazism never smelled so attractive. //

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Charles Johnson  Nov 22, 2016 • 5:32:56pm
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InfidelOfFreedom  Nov 22, 2016 • 5:38:53pm

I realize why we have to pay congresspeople relatively well, but boy would it be nice to see these assholes try to live on the minimum wage, or even median wage for their district.

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scottslemmons  Nov 22, 2016 • 5:40:35pm

re: #170 William Lewis

For those in need of something fun to follow on Twitter, may I offer this?

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Almost funny enough to get me to sign up for that dumpster fire service.

By Crom, I followed that account without hesitation!

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jaunte  Nov 22, 2016 • 5:41:05pm

“…The heart of Thiel’s case for Trump was that America has become a risk-averse society, frightened of the radical change necessary for its survival. It needs disruption. But Trump is not a disruptor: he is a spiteful mischief-maker. The people who voted for him did not believe they were taking a huge gamble; they simply wished to rebuke a system on which they still rely for their basic security. That is what the vote for Trump has in common with Brexit. By choosing to quit the European Union, the majority of British voters may have looked as if they were behaving with extraordinary recklessness. But in reality their behaviour too reflected their basic trust in the political system with which they were ostensibly so disgusted, because they believed that it was still capable of protecting them from the consequences of their choice. It is sometimes said that Trump appeals to his supporters because he represents the authoritarian father figure who they want to shield them from all the bad people out there making their lives hell. That can’t be right: Trump is a child, the most childish politician I have encountered in my lifetime. The parent in this relationship is the American state itself, which allows the voters to throw a tantrum and join forces with the worst behaved kid in the class, safe in the knowledge that the grown-ups will always be there to pick up the pieces.

This is where the real risks lie. It is not possible to keep behaving like this without damaging the basic machinery of democratic government. It takes an extraordinarily fine-tuned political intelligence to target popular anger at the parts of the state that need reform while leaving intact the parts that make that reform possible. Trump - and indeed Brexit - are not that. They are the bluntest of instruments, indiscriminately shaking the foundations with nothing to offer by way of support.”

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The Vicious Babushka  Nov 22, 2016 • 5:43:32pm

re: #170 William Lewis

For those in need of something fun to follow on Twitter, may I offer this?

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Almost funny enough to get me to sign up for that dumpster fire service.

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ObserverArt  Nov 22, 2016 • 5:48:14pm

re: #176 jaunte

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Wow. Nice read…in a baffling way.

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InfidelOfFreedom  Nov 22, 2016 • 5:48:44pm

re: #176 jaunte

I remember hearing a Brit econ or poli sci expert on BBC after the Brexit vote say something that really stuck with me: “Political stability is like air, you only miss it when it’s gone.”

Hopefully we won’t all be asphyxiating in 4 years…

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Targetpractice  Nov 22, 2016 • 5:51:36pm

re: #172 Charles Johnson

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As Josh Marshall noted the other day, the term “conflict of interest” is wholly inadequate for the simple reason that Trump’s interests are to make as much money as possible and he sees political office as the means to do so. Hence why he feels the law is on his side, because he doesn’t see his interest as serving the American people.

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Eventual Carrion  Nov 22, 2016 • 5:51:36pm

re: #38 Targetpractice

“Now I’ve got a machine gun. Ho ho ho.”

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Nyet  Nov 22, 2016 • 5:53:57pm

re: #184 Eventual Carrion

At least Pres. Camacho truly cared about his country and knew when to go away.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 22, 2016 • 5:54:38pm

re: #178 Charles Johnson

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Aw hell no. But it fits with Trump rewarding ass kissers and Falwell jr was one of em.

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Nyet  Nov 22, 2016 • 5:55:00pm

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HappyWarrior  Nov 22, 2016 • 5:55:48pm

re: #174 InfidelOfFreedom

I realize why we have to pay congresspeople relatively well, but boy would it be nice to see these assholes try to live on the minimum wage, or even median wage for their district.

Especially those so adamantly opposed to a minimum or living wage.

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EPR-radar  Nov 22, 2016 • 5:56:51pm

I wish I had Driftglass’ way with words: driftglass.blogspot.com

Right off the bat, Mr. Brooks tells his readers to completely ignore the tens of millions of actual Trump supporters, and what they actually think and say and do, and instead… (From the NYT):

I’ve been thinking a lot about the best imaginable Trump voter. This is the Trump supporter who wasn’t motivated by racism or bigotry. This is the one who cringed every time Donald Trump did something cruel, vulgar or misogynistic.

But this voter needed somebody to change the systems that are failing her…

And just like that we’re all mounted up and ready to go for another of Mr. David Brooks’ famous Unicorn Safaris. But this year, instead of hunting for the elusive “Reasonable Republican” or the wily “Late Blooming Independent”, Mr. Brooks will be leading his band of wealthy deluded shut-ins even deeper up his own ass in In Search Of…

…the Noble Trump Voter.

The best imaginable Trump voter is totally indifferent to Trump’s bigotry, and is also indifferent to Trump’s other innumerable and show-stopping character flaws.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 22, 2016 • 5:59:17pm

re: #187 Nyet

done

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Nyet  Nov 22, 2016 • 6:00:03pm

I’m tired of the buggy Windows system with its constant malfunctions, viruses and slow speed. So I’m gonna shake my computer up my smashing it with a hammer and throwing it in a lake. I hope in the end I will find Linux installed on it.

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Nyet  Nov 22, 2016 • 6:00:13pm

re: #190 Backwoods_Sleuth

Thanks.

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retired cynic  Nov 22, 2016 • 6:00:22pm

re: #189 EPR-radar

He’s finally getting more of a readership, I think. Charlie Pierce has helped him out with hat tips pretty frequently.

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thedopefishlives  Nov 22, 2016 • 6:00:28pm

re: #191 Nyet

I’m tired of the buggy Windows system with its constant malfunctions, viruses and slow speed. So I’m gonna shake my computer up my smashing it with hammer and throwing it in a lake. I hope in the end I will find Linux installed on it.

No, that road only ends in OS/2.

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Targetpractice  Nov 22, 2016 • 6:02:49pm

re: #189 EPR-radar

I wish I had Driftglass’ way with words: driftglass.blogspot.com

The best imaginable Trump voter is totally indifferent to Trump’s bigotry, and is also indifferent to Trump’s other innumerable and show-stopping character flaws.

Pretty much. Pundits like Brooks had put all their chips on Trump losing, so his victory has left them in the very uncomfortable position of explaining how in the holy fuck their party could have elected such a conman to the White House. Their only conclusion? The loonies are a very loud minority, that the majority of Trump supporters are good and honest people whose reasons for voting for Trump were noble and thus his presidency will not be one built upon a foundation of hate and bigotry.

It helps to remember that the same nimrods are the ones who spent 2002-2005 cheerleading for the Iraq War, then once they realized it had become a major political boondoggle began making excuses about how Democrats had forced them to go to war.

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Myron Falwell (no relation)  Nov 22, 2016 • 6:02:56pm

re: #178 Charles Johnson

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Jerry Fucking Falwell. The only choice that would make Ben Carson look normal by comparison.

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William Lewis  Nov 22, 2016 • 6:03:08pm

re: #194 thedopefishlives

No, that road only ends in OS/2.

Hey, now, I still have my OS/2 cd’s. Even my developer’s kits and native apps. I really ought to find a laptop that can run them for old time’s sake.

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thedopefishlives  Nov 22, 2016 • 6:04:11pm

re: #198 William Lewis

Hey, now, I still have my OS/2 cd’s. Even my developer’s kits and native apps. I really ought to find a laptop that can run them for old time’s sake.

I used to have a 3.5” floppy in my tower machine as recently as the late 2000’s. One time, on a whim, I installed MS-DOS 6.0 and Windows for Workgroups 3.11. It ran blazingly fast on an Athlon64!

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Belafon  Nov 22, 2016 • 6:04:20pm

re: #198 William Lewis

Hey, now, I still have my OS/2 cd’s. Even my developer’s kits and native apps. I really ought to find a laptop that can run them for old time’s sake.

It would probably be easier to run it in a virtual environment.

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Nyet  Nov 22, 2016 • 6:05:10pm

re: #197 Myron Falwell (no relation)

True, but a good rule this season has been not to trust the first news items about Trump’s specific appointees, esp. coming from anon. sources. I think almost every “first news item” was debunked afterwards.

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Myron Falwell (no relation)  Nov 22, 2016 • 6:05:29pm

re: #195 Charles Johnson

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Well THAT escalated quickly.

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Nyet  Nov 22, 2016 • 6:06:27pm

re: #195 Charles Johnson

Twitter suicide. /

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William Lewis  Nov 22, 2016 • 6:06:44pm

re: #200 Belafon

It would probably be easier to run it in a virtual environment.

Far more fun to run it on hardware and have it on the LAN. Especially given how bad the web browsers were even then ;)

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retired cynic  Nov 22, 2016 • 6:06:47pm

re: #201 Nyet

True, but a good rule this season has been not to trust the first news item about Trump’s specific appointees, esp. coming from anon. sources. I think almost every “first news item” was debunked afterwards.

Dollars to donuts, that is deliberate.

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Nyet  Nov 22, 2016 • 6:06:47pm

Is Jack moving to Gab? /sorry

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Belafon  Nov 22, 2016 • 6:08:00pm

Bernie posted a message to the New Republic:

It should be clear to every Democrat by now that when we’ve lost the presidency, the Senate, the House, and two-thirds of state legislatures, we need to seriously rethink who we are and how we best go forward.

The Democratic Party is the party of diversity. We have proudly led the fight against racism, sexism, homophobia, xenophobia, and for the rights of immigrants. Especially under a Trump administration, we are not turning back. We are going forward. There can be no compromise on bigotry.

Our job is to expand diversity. We want more women, more African-Americans, more Latinos, and individuals of all ages, colors and creed to be involved in the political process. But to think of diversity purely in racial and gender terms is not sufficient.

Yes, we need more candidates of diversity, but we also need candidates - no matter what race or gender - to be fighters for the working class and stand up to the corporate powers who have so much power over our economic lives. We need all of our candidates to have the courage to stand up to the Koch Brothers, Wall Street, drug companies, insurance companies, oil companies, and fight for working families — not just the top one percent.

Our rights and economic lives are intertwined. Now, more than ever, we need a Democratic Party that is committed to fulfilling, not eviscerating, Dr. Martin Luther King’s dream of racial, social, and economic justice for all.

And while I’m torn about what to do about Bernie remaining an independent, I have to agree with this comment at Daily Kos in response to the issue:

That’s fine but if that is you take the purity approach, you must also purge the DINOS that vote with Republicans far more than Bernie Sanders ever has or you have no leg to stand on.

Think Manchin.

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Charles Johnson  Nov 22, 2016 • 6:08:03pm
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thedopefishlives  Nov 22, 2016 • 6:08:32pm

re: #208 Charles Johnson

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Because whaaaaaaaaaambulance.

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Charles Johnson  Nov 22, 2016 • 6:09:06pm

I suspect @jack’s account may have been hacked and they shut it down until it’s straightened out.

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stpaulbear  Nov 22, 2016 • 6:09:15pm

This evening I came home to an Amazon order on my porch with the Ron Howard DVD about the Beatles on tour, the DVD of ‘Eyes On The Prize”, and CDs by Dusty Springfield and Steeleye Span. This long weekend is going to be spent escaping to the 60’s.

It’s just astonishing watching Trump assemble his advisors and cabinet. You couldn’t put a worse team in place even as a joke. It’s like a who’s who of miserable wretches and morons. Carson just said last week that he doesn’t know enough to be able to serve in government. Now he changes his mind? Did he forget what he said? He’s senile.

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b.d.  Nov 22, 2016 • 6:09:31pm

re: #178 Charles Johnson

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Hey Donnie;

You really shouldn’t stack your cabinet with people who would rather have Pence……just sayin.

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Nyet  Nov 22, 2016 • 6:10:07pm

re: #210 Charles Johnson

I suspect @jack’s account may have been hacked and they shut it down until it’s straightened out.

First idea: “He lost his phone”.

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Eventual Carrion  Nov 22, 2016 • 6:10:14pm

re: #92 BeachDem

Weren’t the Bikers for Trump calling for ONE THOUSAND BIKERS TO PROTEST OUTSIDE THE HAMILTON THEATER!! Wonder how that turned out…

They did. But then a chorus of YMCA broke out and everyone was dancing in the streets.

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stpaulbear  Nov 22, 2016 • 6:10:48pm

re: #193 retired cynic

He’s finally getting more of a readership, I think. Charlie Pierce has helped him out with hat tips pretty frequently.

Driftglass is a she.

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Targetpractice  Nov 22, 2016 • 6:11:20pm

re: #207 Belafon

Bernie posted a message to the New Republic:

And while I’m torn about what to do about Bernie remaining an independent, I have to agree with this comment at Daily Kos in response to the issue:

Think Manchin.

You wanna march the party further into political obscurity, running the remaining Blue Dogs out of the party is a good start. I may not like Joe Manchin all that much, I thought his remarks before the election of changing parties if the Senate ended up tied were disgusting, but we need guys like him if we ever want to retake seats in red and purple districts.

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VegasGolfer  Nov 22, 2016 • 6:11:20pm

Watching las vegas unveil their new hockey team name, and trump fans yelling crap and disrupting the speakers. Classy all the way.

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retired cynic  Nov 22, 2016 • 6:11:50pm

re: #215 stpaulbear

Driftglass is a she.

Nope.

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Charles Johnson  Nov 22, 2016 • 6:12:16pm
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thedopefishlives  Nov 22, 2016 • 6:12:16pm

re: #217 VegasGolfer

Watching las vegas unveil their new hockey team name, and trump fans yelling crap and disrupting the speakers. Classy all the way.

Vegas is getting a hockey team? Who next, Hell?///

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HappyWarrior  Nov 22, 2016 • 6:13:06pm

re: #216 Targetpractice

You wanna march the party further into political obscurity, running the remaining Blue Dogs out of the party is a good start. I may not like Joe Manchin all that much, I thought his remarks before the election of changing parties if the Senate ended up tied were disgusting, but we need guys like him if we ever want to retake seats in red and purple districts.

Manchin to me is pretty much where Zell Miller was twelve years ago but moderates like McCaskill and others, I understand.

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Nyet  Nov 22, 2016 • 6:13:19pm

re: #219 Charles Johnson

Pretty sure it was against the rules for a banned person to appear in any other form?

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HappyWarrior  Nov 22, 2016 • 6:13:40pm

re: #220 thedopefishlives

Vegas is getting a hockey team? Who next, Hell?///

They may get the Raiders too.

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Charles Johnson  Nov 22, 2016 • 6:14:03pm
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EPR-radar  Nov 22, 2016 • 6:15:43pm

re: #211 stpaulbear

This evening I came home to an Amazon order on my porch with the Ron Howard DVD about the Beatles on tour, the DVD of ‘Eyes On The Prize”, and CDs by Dusty Springfield and Steeleye Span. This long weekend is going to be spent escaping to the 60’s.

It’s just astonishing watching Trump assemble his advisors and cabinet. You couldn’t put a worse team in place even as a joke. It’s like a who’s who of miserable wretches and morons. Carson just said last week that he doesn’t know enough to be able to serve in government. Now he changes his mind? Did he forget what he said? He’s senile.

Trump’s cabinet is going to make the Mos Eisley cantina look like the US Constitutional Convention.

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Belafon  Nov 22, 2016 • 6:18:17pm

re: #216 Targetpractice

You wanna march the party further into political obscurity, running the remaining Blue Dogs out of the party is a good start. I may not like Joe Manchin all that much, I thought his remarks before the election of changing parties if the Senate ended up tied were disgusting, but we need guys like him if we ever want to retake seats in red and purple districts.

I would love to have a representative that frustrates the hell out of me over votes like the AG but gives the Democrats a majority. Being in Texas will do that to you.

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EPR-radar  Nov 22, 2016 • 6:19:22pm

re: #216 Targetpractice

You wanna march the party further into political obscurity, running the remaining Blue Dogs out of the party is a good start. I may not like Joe Manchin all that much, I thought his remarks before the election of changing parties if the Senate ended up tied were disgusting, but we need guys like him if we ever want to retake seats in red and purple districts.

(D) has to stand for something more than not-(R). The realities of competing in tough states and Congressional districts can’t be ignored, but Republicans pretending to be Democrats aren’t going to help very much.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 22, 2016 • 6:19:58pm

re: #226 Belafon

I would love to have a representative that frustrates the hell out of me over votes like the AG but gives the Democrats a majority. Being in Texas will do that to you.

Honestly, to me there’s a difference between Manchin and a moderate to conservative Dem. But the question has to be asked, do we want a Progressive party or do we want a party that competes nationally? Because if we want the latter, we won’t get the former without some compromises and electing people like that.

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stpaulbear  Nov 22, 2016 • 6:20:09pm

re: #218 retired cynic

Nope.

Gah. I was thinking of Digby instead. Oops. I haven’t been to those sites for a long time…

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retired cynic  Nov 22, 2016 • 6:20:51pm

re: #229 stpaulbear

<grin>

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Targetpractice  Nov 22, 2016 • 6:21:42pm

re: #227 EPR-radar

(D) has to stand for something more than not-(R). The realities of competing in tough states and Congressional districts can’t be ignored, but Republicans pretending to be Democrats aren’t going to help very much.

I’d love to live in a perfect world too, but we don’t so we have to pick our fights. A conservative Democrat who will vote for the party 50% of the time is still better than a wingnut Republican who will vote for his party 100% of the time. As HW noted, we can either be a national party or we can be a progressive party, we can’t be both in the present political environment.

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Smith25's Liberal Thighs  Nov 22, 2016 • 6:22:13pm

re: #207 Belafon

Bernie posted a message to the New Republic:

And while I’m torn about what to do about Bernie remaining an independent, I have to agree with this comment at Daily Kos in response to the issue:

Think Manchin.

Why is it that whenever Sanders has spoken about the election, and is speaking about the issue of economics, it just still gets to me. He speaks as if Clinton did not “stand up to Wall Street” and whose policies did not speak to the working class. I still see and read blame in his statement. Maybe it is more me being a Hillbot/

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Belafon  Nov 22, 2016 • 6:24:01pm

re: #228 HappyWarrior

Honestly, to me there’s a difference between Manchin and a moderate to conservative Dem. But the question has to be asked, do we want a Progressive party or do we want a party that competes nationally? Because if we want the latter, we won’t get the former without some compromises and electing people like that.

And, once again, you then run into the Democratic problem of getting people to turn out. If we could get voters to turn out, we could have done the following:
1. Pass the ACA as it is now.
2. A couple of years later, realize that drug prices are going up too fast, and adding the ability to negotiate prices.
3. A few years later, ___________.

But we ran into the wall of a small group saying they didn’t go far enough, and another group saying they’re doing pretty good, they don’t need my help.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 22, 2016 • 6:24:14pm

re: #232 Smith25’s Liberal Thighs

Why is it that whenever Sanders has spoken about the election, and is speaking about the issue of economics, it just still gets to me. He speaks as if Clinton did not “stand up to Wall Street” and whose policies did not speak to the working class. I still see and read blame in his statement. Maybe it is more me being a Hillbot/

He totally ignores Clinton adapted a lot of his platform.

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teleskiguy  Nov 22, 2016 • 6:25:12pm

@jack getting suspended from Twitter. That’s like barring John Elway from entering Mile High Stadium.

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Belafon  Nov 22, 2016 • 6:26:17pm

re: #232 Smith25’s Liberal Thighs

Why is it that whenever Sanders has spoken about the election, and is speaking about the issue of economics, it just still gets to me. He speaks as if Clinton did not “stand up to Wall Street” and whose policies did not speak to the working class. I still see and read blame in his statement. Maybe it is more me being a Hillbot/

I agree that there’s probably still a core, but, right now, I’m at the siding-with-Stalin-to-defeat-Hitler phase. No, Sanders is not Stalin, and, to tell you the truth, Sanders is still better than a number of Democrats. I don’t think Sanders will go along with Sessions as AG.

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teleskiguy  Nov 22, 2016 • 6:30:04pm
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HappyWarrior  Nov 22, 2016 • 6:30:54pm

re: #236 Belafon

I agree that there’s probably still a core, but, right now, I’m at the siding-with-Stalin-to-defeat-Hitler phase. No, Sanders is not Stalin, and, to tell you the truth, Sanders is still better than a number of Democrats. I don’t think Sanders will go along with Sessions as AG.

He won’t. I am fine with Bernie contributing ideologically to beating Trump but honestly I wish he would butt out of her interparty battle. There’s another Indy in the Senate who caucuses with the Dems who doesn’t. I admit King didn’t run for President like Bernie did but I really feel if Bernie wants to contribute to the talk on the Democratic Party’s future. He needs ot join them first.

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Charles Johnson  Nov 22, 2016 • 6:31:25pm

I’m just asking questions.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 22, 2016 • 6:31:30pm

Really annoyed that Gabbard can’t fucking condemn Bannon. Cannot believe that some people actually thought she was a bright star in the party goign forward. Uh no.

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Belafon  Nov 22, 2016 • 6:32:25pm

re: #238 HappyWarrior

He won’t. I am fine with Bernie contributing ideologically to beating Trump but honestly I wish he would butt out of her interparty battle. There’s another Indy in the Senate who caucuses with the Dems who doesn’t. I admit King didn’t run for President like Bernie did but I really feel if Bernie wants to contribute to the talk on the Democratic Party’s future. He needs ot join them first.

The party put him in a leadership position, so maybe we should just put (ID) next to his name.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 22, 2016 • 6:33:28pm

re: #241 Belafon

The party put him in a leadership position, so maybe we should just put (ID) next to his name.

I guess so. I’m going to continue to disagree with him though on approach. I think he’s very much mistaken about “identity politics.”

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Smith25's Liberal Thighs  Nov 22, 2016 • 6:33:31pm

I also think that we need to understand that the Democratic Coalition still must include the working class voters who are reactionary voters. I think a large part of the White working class that voted for President Obama twice were voting as angry and as against something as many of us probably feel they did this year. I think that they’ve been conditioned to be reactionary. Democratic and Republican politicians have used their fears over the course of time. We try to convince them with policies that should speak to them, but this time fear won out. Bernies speak to the working class by trying to end income inequality and other ideas won’t work if these voters worry about the fear and not the policy.

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Nyet  Nov 22, 2016 • 6:34:33pm

re: #236 Belafon

It’s not the time to be choosy, which also means tolerating conservadems and Bernie.
Making him a “leader” would be a bad idea.

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Stanley Sea  Nov 22, 2016 • 6:35:02pm

re: #240 HappyWarrior

Really annoyed that Gabbard can’t fucking condemn Bannon. Cannot believe that some people actually thought she was a bright star in the party goign forward. Uh no.

Power corrupts, blah blah blah.

We’re watching it live.

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Nyet  Nov 22, 2016 • 6:36:06pm

re: #240 HappyWarrior

Really annoyed that Gabbard can’t fucking condemn Bannon. Cannot believe that some people actually thought she was a bright star in the party goign forward. Uh no.

Maybe it’s just me, but it almost seems like Gabbard gives off a Trumpy whiff of self-promoting charlatanry.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 22, 2016 • 6:36:24pm

re: #243 Smith25’s Liberal Thighs

I also think that we need to understand that the Democratic Coalition still must include the working class voters who are reactionary voters. I think a large part of the White working class that voted for President Obama twice were voting as angry and as against something as many of us probably feel they did this year. I think that they’ve been conditioned to be reactionary. Democratic and Republican politicians have used their fears over the course of time. We try to convince them with policies that should speak to them, but this time fear won out. Bernies speak to the working class by trying to end income inequality and other ideas won’t work if these voters worry about the fear and not the policy.

The fact of the matter is, the way you get to those voters is through hollow promises i.e. bringing the mines and steel mills back or how Reagan did with empty rhetoric. What Senator Sanders doesn’t realize or acknowledge is we lost a lot of white working class voters when we became nationally a pro civil rights party and the Republicans took advantage of anger about that fact. Now are there whtie working class voters that aren’t hostile to civil rights? Of course, there are but the Republicans got this group by playing to their resentments. Despite what Sanders says, adapting his positions on economics isn’t going to win them back. Did Clinton underachieve with these voters? Sure she did but at the same time, I was glad that she was honest with them about the reality of trade and things like coal mines rather than lying to them too.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 22, 2016 • 6:38:38pm

re: #246 Nyet

Maybe it’s just me, but it almost seems like Gabbard gives off a Trumpy whiff of self-promoting charlatanry.

I’d need to see her interviewed more to tell you the truth but I am just not impressed with her. And before someone says it’s because she backed Bernie, Raul Grijalava and Keith Ellison were both Bernie backers and are excellent. Tulsi’s got the hostility against the Iran deal and the support for Assad/Putin in Syria as big strikes against her. She also was hostile to LGBT rights overall for a long time not merely gay marriage though I do give her points for working hard to change on that and even co-sponsor pro LGBT legislation.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 22, 2016 • 6:39:08pm

re: #245 Stanley Sea

Power corrupts, blah blah blah.

We’re watching it live.

A-yup.

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No Depression  Nov 22, 2016 • 6:41:17pm

re: #240 HappyWarrior

Really annoyed that Gabbard can’t fucking condemn Bannon. Cannot believe that some people actually thought she was a bright star in the party goign forward. Uh no.

Can’t say I’m that surprised. After all, the Hindu nationalists in the BJP she loves so much have quite a few things in common with the white nationalists we have here.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 22, 2016 • 6:50:14pm

re: #250 No Depression

Can’t say I’m that surprised. After all, the Hindu nationalists in the BJP she loves so much have quite a few things in common with the white nationalists we have here.

That actually was something I didn’t know about in regards to her. I guess the DNC saw her war record and youth and was impressed. Gimme Tammy Duckworth any day.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 22, 2016 • 6:52:22pm

re: #239 Charles Johnson

Not gonna happen. The GOP controlled congress will let him skate.

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wheat-dogg  Nov 22, 2016 • 7:13:47pm

re: #124 makeitstop

I love The Ting Tings.

[Embedded content]

Hey, I like these people! Thanks for the tip. Their videos are pretty good, too.

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Jebediah, RBG  Nov 22, 2016 • 7:25:53pm
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ckkatz  Nov 22, 2016 • 7:25:54pm

re: #211 stpaulbear

Now I’m feeling old. My Steeleye Span collection is on vinyl. :(

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Myron Falwell (no relation)  Nov 22, 2016 • 7:39:54pm

Allegedly there is a Google Chrome extension that will spell ‘Alt-Right’ as ‘Rebranded White Nationalism’?

IF this is true, someone please please PLEASE come out with this for iOS Safari.

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Donkey With No Name  Nov 22, 2016 • 11:28:05pm

re: #200 Belafon

It would probably be easier to run it in a virtual environment.

OS/2 is actually surprisingly difficult to virtualize; when I tried I needed a whole bunch of strange options. I think it relies on odd features of 286-era Intel hardware that are, ahem, highly deprecated today.

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SirMixALot  Nov 23, 2016 • 5:51:55am

re: #232 Smith25’s Liberal Thighs

Why is it that whenever Sanders has spoken about the election, and is speaking about the issue of economics, it just still gets to me. He speaks as if Clinton did not “stand up to Wall Street” and whose policies did not speak to the working class. I still see and read blame in his statement. Maybe it is more me being a Hillbot/

Same here. What I’m seeing from Bernie and his bros is to pretend “identity politics” lost the Dems the election. Not gerrymandering, not voter suppression, leaking, hacking, biased media coverage and fake news. Pretending it was a normal election gives Right wing rigging a pass. Bernie and his bros solution is to adopt white male identity politics while throwing the majority of Dem voters under the bus. Fuck them. They can not be allowed to take over the part.

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SirMixALot  Nov 23, 2016 • 6:02:37am

re: #243 Smith25’s Liberal Thighs

I also think that we need to understand that the Democratic Coalition still must include the working class voters who are reactionary voters. I think a large part of the White working class that voted for President Obama twice were voting as angry and as against something as many of us probably feel they did this year. I think that they’ve been conditioned to be reactionary. Democratic and Republican politicians have used their fears over the course of time. We try to convince them with policies that should speak to them, but this time fear won out. Bernies speak to the working class by trying to end income inequality and other ideas won’t work if these voters worry about the fear and not the policy.

I’m tired of hearing about the white working class. They hurt the gay working class, the brown and black working class and the female working class, by electing assholes to take away our rights or prevent reforms from being enacted that would improve the lives of everyone. Its the white working class that keeps electing Republicans that outsource their jobs too. Making women buy for birth control is an economic issue. Forcing women to have children they can not afford to have is an economic issue. Taking away gay marriage rights or firing gay people for being gay is an economic issue. Having crappy schools in brown and black neighbors is an economic hurdle. The prison industrial complex that targets black and brown men is an economic issue because once they are hit with a felony its impossible to get a decent paying job. Not having paid child care and family leave is again an economic issue for women and families. Our entire economy is geared toward paying women, and people of color less money too. Bernie did not address any of these concerns, and instead dismissed the organizations and leadership that represent us as inconsequential or worse part of the establishment. I will never support Bernie and his class based appropriate because it leaves me and everyone who isn’t a white straight male out of the equation of full income equality.


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