Another Awesome Video From Regina Spektor’s New Album: “Bleeding Heart”

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Directed by Jack Dishel
Animation created & directed by Chris Tucci
Archival footage & photos by Ilya Spektor
Cinematography by George Wieser

Classical piece:
Sonatina 1st Movement
Written by Aram Khachaturian
Performed by Regina Spektor

Regina is tour this spring! Dates at http://reginaspektor.com
Her new album “Remember Us To Life” is out now!

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Lyrics:

What you got on tap
I’ll take two of that
I’m chasing a story I heard
When I was here last
At the back of the class
You pretended you never got lost

Yeah at the back of the class
In the back of the bus
Sitting out at the dance
Always saying no thanks
When they see you around
You look down at the ground
But when they walk away
You wish they’d stayed…

Never never mind, bleeding heart, bleeding heart
Never never mind your bleeding heart
Never never mind, bleeding heart, bleeding heart
Never never mind your bleeding heart

You can’t help but stare at everyone there
It’s you versus everyone else
Your outfit’s a crime
You feel their cold minds
Placing you under arrest
And you serve your time
Drinking all night long
Staring at the walls
Of your jail-like home
Listening to that song
’Cause it hurts just right
Till everything is gone tonight…

Never never mind, bleeding heart, bleeding heart
Never never mind your bleeding heart
Never never mind, bleeding heart, bleeding heart
Never never mind your bleeding heart

Someday you’ll grow up
And then you’ll forget
All of the pain you endured
Until you walk by a sad pair of eyes
And up will come back all the hurt
And you’ll see their pain
As they look away
And you want to help
But there’s just no way
’Cause you’ve won the war
So it’s not your turn
But everything inside still burns…

Never never mind, bleeding heart, bleeding heart
Never never mind your bleeding heart
Never never mind, bleeding heart, bleeding heart
Never never mind your bleeding heart

How long must I wait…
’til you learn that it’s not too late
How long must I cry…
’til you know that you really tried
How long must I try…
’til you learn that dreaming’s hard
How long must I dream…
’til you heal your bleeding heart
Never mind your bleeding heart…

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The Vicious Babushka  Nov 22, 2016 • 6:44:00pm

Life imitates cartoon

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HappyWarrior  Nov 22, 2016 • 6:50:46pm

re: #1 The Vicious Babushka

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And they call Obama’s supporters cultists.

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Nyet  Nov 22, 2016 • 6:52:14pm

re: #1 The Vicious Babushka

Do we know it’s a supporter and not a pranker?

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HappyWarrior  Nov 22, 2016 • 6:53:06pm

re: #3 Nyet

Do we know it’s a supporter and not a pranker?

Ah good point.

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Nyet  Nov 22, 2016 • 6:53:40pm

re: #4 HappyWarrior

It has happened before:

snopes.com

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Belafon  Nov 22, 2016 • 6:54:28pm

Right now, I’m doing the up and down thing with regard to the election (which is seriously wreaking havoc on my blood pressure), but I do keep these positive things in mind:
1. Way more people voted for her than Trump, and there are a lot of additional people who do not like Trump (they just couldn’t vote for Clinton).
2. When we hear reports of Trump supporters doing things, I’m hearing quite a few of the stories accompanied by people standing up to them.
3. There are a lot of people talking about how we’re going to deal with this together.
We have a lot to do, and a lot to fight, and elections in 2018 to win, but I feel we can win this. We’re just going to have to deal with a lot of shit in the mean time.

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meteor  Nov 22, 2016 • 6:54:35pm

My Mom and I just had a long talk about Trump. She’s a lot tougher than I am. She wants to dig in and fight. I still want to run away.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 22, 2016 • 6:55:08pm

re: #5 Nyet

It has happened before:

snopes.com

Yep.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 22, 2016 • 6:56:10pm

re: #6 Belafon

Right now, I’m doing the up and down thing with regard to the election (which is seriously wreaking havoc on my blood pressure), but I do keep these positive things in mind:
1. Way more people voted for her than Trump, and there are a lot of additional people who do not like Trump (they just couldn’t vote for Clinton).
2. When we hear reports of Trump supporters doing things, I’m hearing quite a few of the stories accompanied by people standing up to them.
3. There are a lot of people talking about how we’re going to deal with this together.
We have a lot to do, and a lot to fight, and elections in 2018 to win, but I feel we can win this. We’re just going to have to deal with a lot of shit in the mean time.

I feel good about it too. It sucks but we’re where we are. Can’t fight over the past. Just gotta deal what we got.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 22, 2016 • 6:56:35pm

Mississippi, y’all…

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retired cynic  Nov 22, 2016 • 6:58:22pm

re: #6 Belafon

I’m watching and donating to the Louisiana Senate Race and the NC Governor’s Race, which is really a snarl. McCrory is asking for a recount, and if he doesn’t like it, can ask that the governorship be submitted to the Legislature (if I am understanding correctly) and it is overwhelmingly Republican.

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teleskiguy  Nov 22, 2016 • 7:05:02pm
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The Vicious Babushka  Nov 22, 2016 • 7:05:28pm

KITTEH RESCUE

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retired cynic  Nov 22, 2016 • 7:05:51pm

re: #12 teleskiguy

One of my heroes!

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The Vicious Babushka  Nov 22, 2016 • 7:08:59pm

efusekay y u no liek kitteh?

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 22, 2016 • 7:09:10pm

re: #12 teleskiguy

How about that? All kinds of Hamiltons kicking ass lately!

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The Vicious Babushka  Nov 22, 2016 • 7:09:53pm

re: #16 Eclectic Cyborg

How about that? All kinds of Hamiltons kicking ass lately!

And she was also great in The Wizard of Oz! //

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 22, 2016 • 7:11:53pm
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Maternal instincts kick in and this kitty plays mom to ducklings causing ALL OF THE CUTENESS

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retired cynic  Nov 22, 2016 • 7:14:24pm

re: #13 The Vicious Babushka

One of my kittehs got washed away in a creek flood (along with several others we never found). Two weeks later I found him on top of a farm power pole (not nearly that tall — maybe 20’). He had been battered, back permanently damaged, big knot on his side. (BTW, he was 15 years old.) I got him to climb most of the way down, and then he ran from me into a corn field. I pursued him for a long time, but finally caught him and brought him in. He is now 16, going on 17 (no Sound of Music), and just walks very oddly. Paces, and crooked.

Tux, after ordeal
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Stanley Sea  Nov 22, 2016 • 7:20:04pm

YOU GUYS

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Single-handed sailor  Nov 22, 2016 • 7:22:01pm

Sixteen Going On Seventeen

I had to.

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Stanley Sea  Nov 22, 2016 • 7:23:26pm

Does anyone else here watch Rectify? I’m catching up on the last episode.

It is so good.

Makes me an emotional wreck.

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Lidane  Nov 22, 2016 • 7:23:36pm

ICYMI, this is the Hamilton/Beyonce mash-up you didn’t realize you needed:

#HAM4BEY

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whitebeach  Nov 22, 2016 • 7:23:58pm

Hi, lizards.

I’ve taken a few days off site, trying to understand this whole goddam mess and drinking substantially. Also rereading yet again Shirer’s Rise and Fall of the Third Reich, which bears a sickening familiarity to recent events. Let’s hope that the Fall part comes more quickly and with far less horror.

Oddly, my old Mom had been predicting the election’s outcome for several months. Her reasoning was simply that Trump was a TV personality and would attract lots of idiotic voters for that reason alone. I of course tried to argue differently.

After the results were known, she naturally gave me a few I-told-you-so’s. But then yesterday she made a truly chilling prediction: “You just watch, if one of those Kardashians runs next time, she’ll win.”

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retired cynic  Nov 22, 2016 • 7:25:30pm

Found the photo of Tux up the pole, just for the heck of it.

Tux up the Pole 2015
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 22, 2016 • 7:28:47pm
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No Depression  Nov 22, 2016 • 7:34:01pm

re: #26 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Sounds more like a HURT Committee to me.

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Unshaken Defiance  Nov 22, 2016 • 7:36:23pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 22, 2016 • 7:38:20pm
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retired cynic  Nov 22, 2016 • 7:40:26pm

re: #29 Backwoods_Sleuth

Good job, Igor Volsky!

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jaunte  Nov 22, 2016 • 7:41:31pm

Ari Melber & David Fahrenthold just now reporting on Trump Foundation self-dealing, Trump’s perjury on the Foundation tax forms. He might get a slap on the wrist. But how seriously should any American take the tax form when the president doesn’t?

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Stanley Sea  Nov 22, 2016 • 7:42:09pm

re: #25 retired cynic

Found the photo of Tux up the pole, just for the heck of it.

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High enough! Of course you took photo.

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Charles Johnson  Nov 22, 2016 • 7:42:31pm
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No Depression  Nov 22, 2016 • 7:42:38pm

re: #29 Backwoods_Sleuth

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The dumbfucks who voted for Trump voted for these assholes too. Tell me again how they’re sticking it to the establishment?

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retired cynic  Nov 22, 2016 • 7:43:09pm

re: #32 Stanley Sea

High enough! Of course you took photo.

Had to, of course! Thank goodness for phone in pocket! It was near dusk, and I thought it was an owl up there!

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Lidane  Nov 22, 2016 • 7:44:24pm

The gaslighting will continue until morale improves:

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retired cynic  Nov 22, 2016 • 7:45:47pm

re: #36 Lidane

The gaslighting will continue until morale improves:

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That lumpy face does remind me of DT, now doesn’t it?

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Charles Johnson  Nov 22, 2016 • 7:45:50pm
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Myron Falwell (no relation)  Nov 22, 2016 • 7:50:44pm

re: #38 Charles Johnson

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“We meant to target David Duke and WeSearchR instead.” //

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jaunte  Nov 22, 2016 • 7:51:00pm
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Myron Falwell (no relation)  Nov 22, 2016 • 7:51:59pm

re: #37 retired cynic

That lumpy face does remind me of DT, now doesn’t it?

He’s got a face that makes me want to pound it in with a golf shoe.

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stpaulbear  Nov 22, 2016 • 7:53:32pm

I know that Seth Meyers doesn’t pack much punch, but I’ve been watching his “Closer Look’ segments on YouTube and he always seems to be on top of things in a good way. This latest video is about how Trump U and his business conflicts got ignored in favor of what happened with Hamilton (and he comes up with an name for Trump’s story that made me LOL). I don’t watch his show but I do appreciate these segments. He’s attempting to get the word out.

Trump’s “Hamilton” Feud Distracts from Conflicts of Interest: A Closer Look

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Myron Falwell (no relation)  Nov 22, 2016 • 7:58:39pm

re: #32 Stanley Sea

I finally got a chance to read your comment from last week. It sadly doesn’t surprise me.

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EPR-radar  Nov 22, 2016 • 8:03:30pm

re: #41 Myron Falwell (no relation)

He’s got a face that makes me want to pound it in with a golf shoe.

Track cleats. I’m in a grumpy mood.

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scottslemmons  Nov 22, 2016 • 8:06:44pm

re: #45 EPR-radar

Track cleats. I’m in a grumpy mood.

Jackhammer.

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TedStriker  Nov 22, 2016 • 8:08:24pm

re: #36 Lidane

The gaslighting will continue until morale improves:

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re: #37 retired cynic

That lumpy face does remind me of DT, now doesn’t it?

re: #41 Myron Falwell (no relation)

He’s got a face that makes me want to pound it in with a golf shoe.

re: #45 EPR-radar

Track cleats. I’m in a grumpy mood.

re: #46 scottslemmons

Jackhammer.

Nah, a good, old-fashioned pistolwhipping:

Goodfellas pistol whipped

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Amory Blaine  Nov 22, 2016 • 8:10:17pm

UW-Madison falls from nation’s top five research universities

For the first time in nearly 45 years, the University of Wisconsin-Madison has fallen from its standing among the nation’s top five research universities, according to data from the National Science Foundation.

UW-Madison had been ranked among the top five in research expenditures since 1972, but a drop in research activity in fiscal year 2015 bumped the state’s flagship university from fourth to sixth among all U.S. private and public universities, according to the most recent figures compiled by the NSF.

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Stanley Sea  Nov 22, 2016 • 8:10:25pm

re: #36 Lidane

The gaslighting will continue until morale improves:

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I’ll repost Charles Blow’s response

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electrotek  Nov 22, 2016 • 8:11:31pm

Forgot to post this up:

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What do you know? A Muslim mayor helped re-open what is arguably a significant dance music institution in London after being shut down a couple of months ago.

And you still have wingnuts who think he’s going to turn London into the second Riyadh or something.

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teleskiguy  Nov 22, 2016 • 8:11:51pm

Here’s the keyboardist of my favorite touring rock ‘n’ roll band playing a song he wrote when he was 19 on the 16th Street Mall in Denver a few summers ago.

Joel Cummins plays ‘Orfeo’ on Denver’s 16th Street Mall

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Stanley Sea  Nov 22, 2016 • 8:19:09pm

Y’all, I have yet to turn on my CNN background noise since the election.

Ask me anything about open concept or purchasing a property in Italy for 300K.

I get enough from this site & the twitter. Esp Fahrenthold & Josh Marshall.

Not recovering, never will recover. Hope I make it these 4 years without personal loss. HA. 2017 is waiting for us.

I’m beyond sad & am not improving.

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teleskiguy  Nov 22, 2016 • 8:21:20pm

re: #52 Stanley Sea

Y’all, I have yet to turn on my CNN background noise since the election.

Ask me anything about open concept or purchasing a property in Italy for 300K.

I get enough from this site & the twitter. Esp Fahrenthold & Josh Marshall.

Not recovering, never will recover. Hope I make it these 4 years without personal loss. HA. 2017 is waiting for us.

I’m beyond sad & am not improving.

Every little bit helps, so here’s a bit:

HAPPY HAPPY JOY JOY
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Stanley Sea  Nov 22, 2016 • 8:21:58pm

re: #53 teleskiguy

Every little bit helps, so here’s a bit:

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I’ll take it. TY

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wheat-dogg  Nov 22, 2016 • 8:22:29pm

re: #51 teleskiguy

Here’s the keyboardist of my favorite touring rock ‘n’ roll band playing a song he wrote when he was 19 on the 16th Street Mall in Denver a few summers ago.

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Video

Cool! My son lives about four blocks from that piano.

I took a pic last summer of a construction worker playing another piano on the mall during his lunch break.

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allegro  Nov 22, 2016 • 8:23:09pm

Just enjoyed a delightful evening of puppy licks and eye candy. Two girlfriends/neighbors came over with their furry sons so our boys could play while we drank wine, ate chocolate, and drooled over Alexander Skarsgard as Tarzan. Love that movie!

I’m paying close attention to what’s happening and I’ll be right there to fight any way I can but Trump et al will not steal my joy. I’m pumping it up to 11ty.

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teleskiguy  Nov 22, 2016 • 8:24:29pm

re: #55 wheat-dogg

That’s a cool fuckin’ picture! Good show, wheatdogg!

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electrotek  Nov 22, 2016 • 8:25:48pm

Add this to the list of colossal fuck-ups vis-à-vis US foreign policy in the Muslim world during the Cold War era, and how it has manifested itself to this:

The key group behind the rally was the notorious Islamic Defenders Front (FPI). FPI accused Ahok of insulting the Quran when he encouraged a small audience, during his work visit, not to be deceived by those who sought to use Quranic verse of Al-Maidah 51 to prevent voters selecting a non-Muslim leader.

The allegation of blasphemy against Ahok was validated by a fatwa issued by National Ulama Council (MUI). This quasi-government institution was created under the authoritarian government of Suharto in the early 1970s, and it regularly seeks to express authoritative rulings on issues of public interest.

As we all know, Suharto was an extremely close and vital ally in SE Asia in the fight against Communism. Because of this, many Muslim allies of the U.S. during the Cold War initiated similar programs aimed at countering the leftist narrative, but inadvertently empowering Islamic extremists that have spiraled out of control as we all continue to witness to this day.

Such short-sightedness on our part. Sad thing is that wingnuts will never engage in any introspection and will justify it somehow.

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allegro  Nov 22, 2016 • 8:28:55pm

re: #52 Stanley Sea

I’m beyond sad & am not improving.

I was writing my comment as you were writing yours. I was right there for about a week after the election, paralyzed, scared, depressed. Then I got mad. Oh no, you will not, assholes. You will not take my laughter, my friends, my determination to enjoy every day I have left in this life. You. Will. Not.

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Joe Bacon  Nov 22, 2016 • 8:31:54pm

re: #34 No Depression

The dumbfucks who voted for Trump voted for these assholes too. Tell me again how they’re sticking it to the establishment?

The people who voted for Trump hate the black man in the White House. And they will gladly shoot themselves in both feet to get him out. Their racism TRUMPS everything else!

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Joe Bacon  Nov 22, 2016 • 8:35:00pm

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wheat-dogg  Nov 22, 2016 • 8:35:30pm

re: #57 teleskiguy

That’s a cool fuckin’ picture! Good show, wheatdogg!

Pure luck, and my handy cellphone camera. But thanks!

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freetoken  Nov 22, 2016 • 8:36:40pm

(My long essay. Not so novel, just a distillation of what has been said by many as well as by myself.)

Asymmetrical Ideological Warfare.

That’s the phrase that popped into my mind as I ruminate on why Trump “won”. I put that in quotes because we all know he did not win the popular vote, so not only did he not get the majority of votes but he didn’t even get a plurality.

But he still won because of our arcane electoral college system for selecting the chief executive of the Executive branch of the US government.

And Trump did this by flipping WI, MI, and PA.

How did Trump do that?

All three states are not part of the old Confederate South, not even close. Literacy is high in all three (WI, MI, PA.)

Rather, Trump offered an alternative to the contemporary ideology of the “liberal”, to use a term that I maintain is not really the best description to understand American politics, but which seems etched into the vocabulary of the both the talking-head crowd on TV and in the blogosphere.

One of the characteristics of the contemporary worldview found among those of us who might self-label as “progressive” or “modern Democrat” or “coastal elite”, is that we have very ambiguous views towards some things held dear by many traditionalists (those who want to self-label as “conservative”) in America.

One of those dear things is religion. Many of us here, if we’re not atheists or agnostics, hold religious beliefs that have been highly moderated by the past two centuries of philosophical dialogue. We don’t believe the Bible was literally dictated by God (even if we still practice a religion based on the sacred texts of the late antiquity Judaism or early Christianity). (I realize there are a few Muslim posters here, but in the context of working out what happened in WI, MI, and PA I do not believe that the Muslim populations in those states played an active role in getting Trump elected, even in MI with it’s noticeable Muslim population. There is a lot of Islamophobia in America, but for now I am considering the actions of the voters themselves, not Islam as an object of fear. I.e., the Muslim voter herself in Dearborn was unlikely to vote for Trump.)

Another characteristic typical of us progressive/liberal/elitists is that we like the nuances of history, what I will call the Conflicted Past. We see American history, for example, as one of both expansion and warfare, of opportunity and hegemony, of liberty and slavery, of idealism and crass opportunism. We accept that the US Constitution as originally written was highly flawed because it was written by highly flawed men. We accept that.

“Ideology” means literally the study of ideas, but in practice means a system of ideas, and that his how I will use it here.

Here is what Trump promised: assurance. Assurance about the goodness and intelligence of his followers. Trump emphasized over and over in his gatherings:

America is good.

America was great, and will be great again.

America is special.

You are good.

You are “the smart people”.

This is in contrast to, for example, my own “coastal elite” ideology:

America is neither good or bad, but has done both good and bad things.

America is one modern nation-state among many. Each nation-state has its plusses and minuses.

People, Americans, like the state, do both good and bad things. Some people do more of the latter than the former. Others do more good than bad and that is very fortunate for us all.

Most people are average, by definition. A few people appear to be quite intelligent, but that has nothing to do with the morality or value of that person. A few people seem to be a bit slower than others in grasping ideas, but again that has nothing to do with morality or value of that person. Most Americans are average, and that is quite ok. Exceptionalism is for the vain.

My observation is that Trump appealed quite a bit to the vanity of his followers. He himself is vain, as is obvious, but he also modeled that repeatedly for his followers. He intended, and worked at, making his followers feel good about themselves for being his followers.

And this is what was so asymmetrical to the approach by Clinton. Hillary offered policies that most people would agree are an extension of what has worked so far, a continuation of the modern ideas of governance. And her slogan of “together” raised the group over the individual.

Trump offered to make his voters feel good about themselves. The individual feel good about himself, in a very primal way. Trump’s campaign was not about governance.

I wonder if, in the final tally of votes, Clinton actually performed above her level of inherent favorability, because so many people were turned off by Trump. While I’ve written before about the Trump fans on my Facebook wall, there are also a few who traditionally vote Republican who refused to vote for Trump. One claimed to vote for Clinton. The others third party. I note how well Clinton did here in SoCal, carrying even Orange County, a traditional Republican stronghold.

I think we do a disservice to many to think that Hillary didn’t work hard enough, or that the Democratic platform was not good enough, etc.

I’ve concluded that this election was very much about traditionalism (almost tribal) versus the nuanced complexity of contemporary governance.

One very important difference between the coast regions which Clinton carried and the states of WI, MI, and PA is that those three states were formed and grew as part of the great expansion of America. (Remember, even during the Revolution, western PA was a wilderness. Southeast PA was the populated part of the colony and early state. And it is the later-settled areas of PA that Trump carried.)

What makes the Pacific coast states, and New York and New England, so “liberal” that even Trump’s appeal to vanity could not sway these regions to him?

That’s a good question. I will note that WI, MI, and PA all share a history of rapid industrial growth in the 19th and first half of the 20th centuries, and that was important culturally. While we can say that even though the post-industrial re-tooling of life in those states has reduced unemployment significantly, I think we ought not overlook the fundamental problem of change. The adaptation to the loss of the old jobs can be accounted for on the ledger books, for sure, but the cultural dynamic of changing expectations requires adaptation and with that comes angst arising out of the loss of certainty.

Into such an environment Trump conducted his ideological warfare, where he attacked the complexities of international diplomacy and economics (that brings such instruments such as NAFTA and TPP) not just in their substance but in the very foundation of why such efforts are undertaken at all.

Trump conducted warfare against the new, against having to adapt, using tactics out of the old playbooks of previous atavists.

Against this Clinton and the DNC had no counter because they were fighting a battle that was elsewhere in the mind-space of Americans. Clinton was attempting to come up with even better, new policies, when the war being fought was new vs. old.

And for those of us who don’t like the outcome (in the electoral college), I propose that we have to accept that voters in states like WI, MI, and PA went for the atavism rather than shiny new policies.

Trump is an ideological warrior, though I think too many people miss this, because his vanity is so bright and gilded it can obscure what is going on underneath. His current battle, now that he’s won the electoral college, is against the traditions of the press (today more generally “the media) that’s formed since the era of Edward Murrow instituted the audio-visual understanding of “news”.

We have to not shy away from fighting an ideological war. This is my biggest critique of Obama: he assumed the ideological war was won and didn’t fight for ideas as much as some of his predecessors in the Democratic party (see JFK, or HHH.)

We need to fight for concepts of identity, of the role of government, about a theory of liberty that can survive the 21st century , etc.

The people who fought for women’s suffrage, or for the right to unionize, and so forth, are now dead. Their great grandchildren have benefitted from their work, but did not experience what life was like before labor laws or non-discrimination laws.

So I don’t shy away from telling people that Social Security is socialism, as is the VA and so many other things Americans, including Trump voters, take for granted. It can be hard to argue that someone has benefited from the loss of individuality, but that doesn’t mean we give up trying to convince them that the progress since the 18th century, from which they have benefited, has been built on ideas their preachers and favorite talk-show hosts like to berate so often.

Other battles over ideology can be even harder. It is why I post on creationism so much. Modern science has demonstrated than the evolution of the fauna includes the emergence of humans. We are animals. That is what we are. We come from other animals, not from anything else. This is hard for many Americans, because it means their core belief system is flawed. But when Hillary took her pro-abortion stance in one of the debates, the underlying idea behind that position is that a zygote is just a cell. Not a special creation miracle by God. That is never stated out right by most politicians like Clinton, but it is the underlying concept behind accepting abortion as ethical. If you really believed a zygote was a person then of course you think abortion is murder. The war over abortion is most definitely a religious one, and in the latest battle in this war Hillary Clinton lost.

I don’t know if anyone makes it to the end of this ramble, but my summary is simply this:

Do not ignore that you are in an ideological war. It is a battle for ideas, that has run for a very long time and will continue into the future past your demise. It is wrong to think there is one “enemy”. Rather, you are fighting a collection of traditions, echoes of the past. In American politics we have to think beyond tactical minutiae such as massive computer databases mined for the addresses to which to send the latest flyers. We have to convince people to let go of old ideas and accept new ones.

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jaunte  Nov 22, 2016 • 8:37:49pm

Aggies used to kill Nazis. Now they invite them to speak.

Richard Spencer, White nationalist and creator of the term “alt-right,” will be speaking in Rudder Tower this December.

Spencer will be speaking on the alt-right movement, a radical offshoot of conservatism which promotes white identity and white nationalism. Spencer’s speech will be focusing on explaining what the alt-right is, and how he believes this movement will affect the United States.
……..

“…Preston Wiginton, white nationalist, organizer of the event and member of the alt-right, said the movement is not about saying white people are better than other races, but that white people should be able to separate themselves and have pride. Wiginton has brought white nationalist speakers to the university in the past, and attended the Texas A&M University from 2006 to 2007 before withdrawing to go to Russia.

“If we want to have a white state, or a white community or a white homeland we should be able to have that,” Wiginton said. “We respect that for all people. If we look at the NAACP, black people have the right to have that. Why can’t white people have a WAACP?”
thebatt.com

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wheat-dogg  Nov 22, 2016 • 8:38:36pm

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CuriousLurker  Nov 22, 2016 • 8:39:24pm

re: #59 allegro

I was writing my comment as you were writing yours. I was right there for about a week after the election, paralyzed, scared, depressed. Then I got mad. Oh no, you will not, assholes. You will not take my laughter, my friends, my determination to enjoy every day I have left in this life. You. Will. Not.

This. I went into thoroughly pissed off mode today:

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Unshaken Defiance  Nov 22, 2016 • 8:39:44pm

re: #59 allegro

I was writing my comment as you were writing yours. I was right there for about a week after the election, paralyzed, scared, depressed. Then I got mad. Oh no, you will not, assholes. You will not take my laughter, my friends, my determination to enjoy every day I have left in this life. You. Will. Not.

THIS THIS THIS

If ever the California spirit had relevance, well today it does again. Trump gets zero California EC votes. Our state government will not help with any deportation program more unkind than what we choose. Our counties and cities will follow suit. And enjoy the beach.

I see it like this. No point in stressing over worst scenarios. The law is on our side if imperfectly and unevenly. I hear talk of unwise desperate measures. Too soon. We have the law and it can delay and put off and appeal and file continuances… The majority of us can act in support of those most threatened. Like I said before nothing fancy. Just say hello and be a neighbor. Hostile people come calling we can help like PP escorts. Bear witness and tweet and FB live stand up and say no. So much possible before anyone has to bend a law let alone become some kind of outlaw.

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electrotek  Nov 22, 2016 • 8:40:46pm

re: #64 jaunte

Aggies used to kill Nazis. Now they invite them to speak.

Holy shit, I had no idea A&M produced so many combat troops during WW2.

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electrotek  Nov 22, 2016 • 8:41:42pm

Right wingers had a freak-out over one of the Obama daughters smoking weed at Lollapalooza, so there goes their hypocrisy.

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jaunte  Nov 22, 2016 • 8:45:39pm

re: #68 electrotek

“During WWII a total of 20,229 Aggies served in World War II, 14,123 served as officers and 953 died in service.”
today.tamu.edu

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Unshaken Defiance  Nov 22, 2016 • 8:47:18pm

re: #66 CuriousLurker

Windows 10 Stepford wife look with that one.

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Myron Falwell (no relation)  Nov 22, 2016 • 8:47:45pm

re: #64 jaunte

“Why can’t white people have a WAACP?”
It already exists, Preston Wingnut. It’s called the Republican Party.

Preston Wingnut also apparently forgot what NAACP stands for, as WAACP loosely translates to White Association for the Advancement of Colored People.

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jaunte  Nov 22, 2016 • 8:54:15pm

re: #72 Myron Falwell (no relation)

WAACP.
Not sure if he’s really worked out what that acronym means.

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jaunte  Nov 22, 2016 • 8:56:10pm

National Association For People Who Don’t Spell Too Good.

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Charles Johnson  Nov 22, 2016 • 8:56:34pm

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scottslemmons  Nov 22, 2016 • 8:57:45pm

re: #75 Charles Johnson

Oh brother. Get a load of this one.

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“Johnson” is such an exotic name.

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Belafon  Nov 22, 2016 • 8:58:39pm

re: #76 scottslemmons

“Johnson” is such an exotic name.

Google Charles Johnson. There’s almost one for each letter of the alphabet for middle initial.

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Kragar  Nov 22, 2016 • 8:59:50pm

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Myron Falwell (no relation)  Nov 22, 2016 • 9:02:13pm

re: #75 Charles Johnson

Oh brother. Get a load of this one.

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Ah yes… part of the Bluehand Brigade of Utter Morons. (Her banner on Twitter is an automatic blocking function activation.)

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whitebeach  Nov 22, 2016 • 9:02:51pm

re: #70 jaunte

“During WWII a total of 20,229 Aggies served in World War II, 14,123 served as officers and 953 died in service.”
today.tamu.edu

As a Louisianian who has heard—and made—any number of Aggie jokes, I honor the service and sacrifice represented by these numbers, but I must point out that the egregious redundancy in the first clause is typical of Aggies.

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jaunte  Nov 22, 2016 • 9:03:47pm

re: #80 whitebeach

As a UT Austin alum, I hear you.

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teleskiguy  Nov 22, 2016 • 9:06:40pm

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blueraven  Nov 22, 2016 • 9:07:46pm

re: #52 Stanley Sea

Y’all, I have yet to turn on my CNN background noise since the election.

Ask me anything about open concept or purchasing a property in Italy for 300K.

I get enough from this site & the twitter. Esp Fahrenthold & Josh Marshall.

Not recovering, never will recover. Hope I make it these 4 years without personal loss. HA. 2017 is waiting for us.

I’m beyond sad & am not improving.

(((SS)))

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jaunte  Nov 22, 2016 • 9:10:22pm
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allegro  Nov 22, 2016 • 9:11:48pm

Yesterday I finally went through a small suitcase of old family pictures and stuff thinking it was just all duplicates and nothing much of interest in there. I was wrong. I found a bundle of letters tied together with string - probably tied before I was born. They were letters written by my dad to his parents starting in 1941 when he was in army boot camp through WWII until he was on a ship in August 1945 on the way to invade Japan. I didn’t read all of them yet, having trouble seeing through all that liquid filling my eyeballs, but I will.

Then there were the letters exchanged by my mom and dad from their meeting, falling in love, and marriage in 1949. I “met” two people I realize I never really knew, so bright, funny, hopeful of their future.

It has really helped me put the current events into perspective.

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wheat-dogg  Nov 22, 2016 • 9:11:52pm

re: #63 freetoken

Well said, and right on the money. You can see the traditional vs. modern views of history and America’s place in it in the conservative furor last year about the new AP US History framework, which encourages teachers and students to apply historical analysis and interpretation to US history. Conservatives are horrified at this concept, because they want all high school students to learn about American exceptionalism and the City on the Hill version of history as much as they want biology students to learn about creationism/ID. No matter that history and biology are academic fields that strive to combat myth and legend with facts and scientific analysis. Such professionalism attacks the core beliefs of the conservatives — they know what is True within their hearts, and anything contrary to that Truth is the Enemy.

Trump, consciously or not, tapped into that emotional reaction to modernity. He played those traditionalists like fiddles, and some of them could not see through his political charade and voted for him.

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freetoken  Nov 22, 2016 • 9:16:46pm

Delius Appalachia Part 2 of 4

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freetoken  Nov 22, 2016 • 9:25:37pm

Delius Appalachia Part 3 of 4

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freetoken  Nov 22, 2016 • 9:32:58pm

Delius Appalachia Part 4 of 4

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Kragar  Nov 22, 2016 • 9:40:26pm
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freetoken  Nov 22, 2016 • 9:47:03pm

Meanwhile, here in California, we are still counting… Hillary is now only 6k short of Obama 2012:

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61.8%
Donald J. Trump
4,117,354
32.4%

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electrotek  Nov 22, 2016 • 10:08:26pm
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Single-handed sailor  Nov 22, 2016 • 10:45:22pm

re: #91 freetoken

Meanwhile, here in California, we are still counting… Hillary is now only 6k short of Obama 2012:

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about 1.79 million ballots left to count according to the California SOS website.

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Cheechako  Nov 22, 2016 • 11:20:28pm

This new administration is going to be just like the movie Sting.

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teleskiguy  Nov 22, 2016 • 11:30:06pm

re: #95 Cheechako

This new administration is going to be just like the movie Sting.

I was thinking more Duck Soup.

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Lupin  Nov 22, 2016 • 11:31:07pm

I see the US has just officially signed up to join the kleptocratic ranks:

dailykos.com

and

nytimes.com

If this isn’t challenged, we have become Zimbabwe with nuclear weapons.,

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Lupin  Nov 22, 2016 • 11:44:23pm

I’m old enough to have been in Spain as a student under Franco in 1970-71.

I’m pretty sure that no broken promises, no economic catastrophe will drive the fascists away from their Beloved leader. They’ll huddle together around him and will fight the outside world like wolverines on meth to retain their grasp on power.

Transitioning back to a normal regime is a long, hazardous, risky and fraught with violence.

We haven’t even begun to consider some of the possible paths ahead including a passing of the torch from Trump to one of his children as president. Elections can be managed, especially with 60 million supporters.

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VaughnIAM  Nov 22, 2016 • 11:53:31pm

re: #26 Backwoods_Sleuth

Dumbass Tom Cotton said that this overtime rule ( that is only for salaried employees)
would have prohibited Arkansas workers from becoming salaried workers until they earn more than $47,000 a year- which is higher than the median income in Arkansas.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 23, 2016 • 12:01:04am

That OT thing pisses me off. One of the reasons I like being Union. They can’t fuck with our OT unless they want to face the music in court.

Of course the contract is up for renegotiation next year so who knows what will happen then.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 23, 2016 • 12:04:14am

Vanilla Ice and Rick Perry performing together on DWTS? Hell.

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Single-handed sailor  Nov 23, 2016 • 12:25:02am

re: #99 VaughnIAM

Dumbass Tom Cotton said that this overtime rule ( that is only for salaried employees)
would have prohibited Arkansas workers from becoming salaried workers until they earn more than $47,000 a year- which is higher than the median income in Arkansas.

I think that’s the whole point.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 23, 2016 • 1:05:25am

re: #66 CuriousLurker

<blockquoteJUST IN: Federal judge blocks Obama overtime rule

Cathy McMorris Rodgers:
This is just another example of our overreaching executive and why we must restore the people to the center of government.

The people who will be working unpaid overtime?

Only lazy people turn down a chance to show their boss how well they can work, paid or not…

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 23, 2016 • 1:12:19am

re: #105 Kragar

Cutting off OT pay doesn’t create jobs.

Workers will have to work unpaid OT to keep their jobs, or be fired & replaced by worker who will

…and why just hire another worker when you can force current staff to take up the slack?

But again, only lazy workers refuse to take the chance to show how well (and how long) they can work.

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Tigger2  Nov 23, 2016 • 2:06:03am

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wheat-dogg  Nov 23, 2016 • 2:30:55am

re: #107 Tigger2

I’m in a rather special situation, working in China on a monthly salary, but even I get paid “overtime” for additional duties. For example, if I’m judging an English speaking contest, I’m paid for those two hours over and above my monthly pay. Or, if I coach students who will participate in the provincial English speaking contest, I’m paid for those 6 extra hours of teaching. It’s something I never expected, but certainly appreciate, and it’s one reason why I have stayed at the same uni for 8 going on 9 years.

So, if a public university in a communist country can see the value in remunerating its staff for extra duties performed, why can’t employers in capitalist America see it, too?

OTOH, China has no labor unions, so hourly workers are regularly taken advantage of. In that aspect, the USA is still miles ahead of the land of the “workers’ revolution.”

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Timothy Watson  Nov 23, 2016 • 2:35:08am

re: #108 wheat-dogg

So, if a public university in a communist country can see the value in remunerating its staff for extra duties performed, why can’t employers in capitalist America see it, too?

Since the systematic destruction of labor unions, American workers are supposed to appreciate being treated like serfs.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 23, 2016 • 2:37:41am

re: #109 Timothy Watson

Since the systematic destruction of labor unions, American workers are supposed to appreciate being treated like serfs.

I ran across a story of a company in which employees were expected to put in four hours of unpaid overtime per week. An employee came back from his two weeks’ vacation and was informed by HR that he owed the company eight hours of overtime from those two weeks…

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Timothy Watson  Nov 23, 2016 • 2:42:01am

Reports: SC Gov. Haley nominated to be UN ambassador

Had some fun with the file photo they used:

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wheat-dogg  Nov 23, 2016 • 2:48:51am

re: #110 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

re: #109 Timothy Watson

Before I came to China, I was teaching in a private high school in the States for a fairly decent salary. We were paid extra if we served as department chair or as an advisor to a student club or activity, but not for working past “closing time,” or for coming to the evening parent activities or (dog forbid) prom. It was those extra duties for no additional pay that kinda wore me down, because they were expected of us — and you of course got “brownie points” if you volunteered — but were not a formal contractual requirement.

People have this impression that teachers have it easy — we get those long vacations, for example. But they don’t see all the extra work we do “off the clock” for no additional pay.

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wheat-dogg  Nov 23, 2016 • 2:51:17am

re: #111 Timothy Watson

Reports: SC Gov. Haley nominated to be UN ambassador

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William Lewis  Nov 23, 2016 • 3:34:07am

re: #113 wheat-dogg

In some ways, I’d rather she be UN ambassador than in a Cabinet post where she could do some real, lasting damage. That is, so long as she doesn’t say or do anything to provoke WWIII.

Better her than that idiot Bolton again.

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wheat-dogg  Nov 23, 2016 • 4:06:10am

re: #114 William Lewis

Better her than that idiot Bolton again.

Who might be Secretary of State or Defense. Jeez.

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weave  Nov 23, 2016 • 4:20:42am

Oh look what I found…..

People Boo’ing the the first lady at NASCAR.

NASCAR Crowd Boos Michelle Obama

Here’s Rush Limbaugh defending it, and as a bonus, even whines about her taking vacations and wasting taxpayer dollars. Even called her uppity….

I’ll tell you something else. We don’t like paying millions of dollars for Mrs. Obama’s vacations. The NASCAR crowd doesn’t quite understand why when the husband and the wife are going to the same place, the first lady has to take her own Boeing 757 with family and kids and hangers-on four hours earlier than her husband, who will be on his 747. NASCAR people understand that’s a little bit of a waste. They understand it’s a little bit of uppity-ism.

Somehow I’m guessing all the flying back and forth Trump is going to be doing between DC and NY and the dual protection required to keep his family in NYC is not going to be considered uppity by Rush. I wonder why…

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Myron Falwell (no relation)  Nov 23, 2016 • 4:28:23am

re: #111 Timothy Watson

Reports: SC Gov. Haley nominated to be UN ambassador

Heh.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 23, 2016 • 4:37:02am

re: #117 Myron Falwell (no relation)

Reports: SC Gov. Haley nominated to be UN ambassador

Seems that crow will be replacing turkey as the bird of choice for a lot of Trump appointees this Thanksgiving…

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The Vicious Babushka  Nov 23, 2016 • 4:44:01am

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HappyWarrior  Nov 23, 2016 • 4:44:38am

re: #111 Timothy Watson

Reports: SC Gov. Haley nominated to be UN ambassador

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HappyWarrior  Nov 23, 2016 • 4:45:20am

re: #114 William Lewis

Better her than that idiot Bolton again.

That’s true too. I don’t know what a governor of South Carolina has experience wise in FP matters though.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 23, 2016 • 4:46:24am

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HappyWarrior  Nov 23, 2016 • 4:49:32am

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HappyWarrior  Nov 23, 2016 • 4:55:20am

re: #85 allegro

Yesterday I finally went through a small suitcase of old family pictures and stuff thinking it was just all duplicates and nothing much of interest in there. I was wrong. I found a bundle of letters tied together with string - probably tied before I was born. They were letters written by my dad to his parents starting in 1941 when he was in army boot camp through WWII until he was on a ship in August 1945 on the way to invade Japan. I didn’t read all of them yet, having trouble seeing through all that liquid filling my eyeballs, but I will.

Then there were the letters exchanged by my mom and dad from their meeting, falling in love, and marriage in 1949. I “met” two people I realize I never really knew, so bright, funny, hopeful of their future.

It has really helped me put the current events into perspective.

That’s beautiful. Glad you looked through. I felt like I got to know my grandmother better when I read her journal that she wrote in retrospective.

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Myron Falwell (no relation)  Nov 23, 2016 • 4:55:56am

re: #119 The Vicious Babushka

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 23, 2016 • 4:57:57am

re: #124 HappyWarrior

Hope the Arizonans that gave this bitter old bastard another chance are proud of themselves. Really fuck you McCain to cheer this on the day before Thanksgiving.

My nephew in Arizona had to leave Thanksgiving dinner early to go work at Best Buy, where, in order to avoid any resentment among the staff, everybody was required to come in.

And since he is not on full-time, he got no overtime, either.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 23, 2016 • 5:00:33am

re: #128 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

My nephew in Arizona had to leave Thanksgiving dinner early to go work at Best Buy, where, in order to avoid any resentment among the staff, everybody was required to come in.

And since he is not on full-time, he got no overtime, either.

And McCain is proud of that? Agh.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 23, 2016 • 5:01:01am

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wheat-dogg  Nov 23, 2016 • 5:03:38am

Found in Twitter, a WaPo article

A Muslim girl wasn’t allowed to box in a hijab, so her opponent shared victory with her

[Aamiya] Zafar, a devout Muslim from Oakdale, Minn., wears a hijab under her headgear as well as a shirt and leggings under her shorts and top. Such apparel has been deemed a violation of uniform regulations set by the International Boxing Association for reasons USA Boxing executive director Michael Martino called “clearly a safety issue.”

As a result, Zafar was disqualified, and her opponent, Aliyah Charbonier, was declared the winner — though that didn’t quite sit right with Charbonier. So she approached Zafar.

“This girl comes up to me then and puts her belt in my lap and says, ‘This is yours. They disqualified you. You’re the true winner. This is unfair,’ ” Zafar recalled over the phone Tuesday morning. “Then we started hugging each other, and the owner [of the event] came and got me to make sure I got [a belt.]”

The international boxing association requires bare arms and legs “for safety reasons,” presumably so refs and officials can see if the boxer has injuries. Considering the Olympics has allowed Muslim women to play beach volleyball in head-to-toe clothing, it seem reasonable for boxing to make some allowance for Muslim boxers.

When I was in Malaysia last winter, there was an indie film out of Singapore called Banting (Slam). The main character is a twenty-something woman who secretly is a wrestler during the evenings. Funny how life imitates art.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 23, 2016 • 5:06:23am

re: #131 wheat-dogg

Found in Twitter, a WaPo article

A Muslim girl wasn’t allowed to box in a hijab, so her opponent shared victory with her

The international boxing association requires bare arms and legs “for safety reasons,” presumably so refs and officials can see if the boxer has injuries. Considering the Olympics has allowed Muslim women to play beach volleyball in head-to-toe clothing, it seem reasonable for boxing to make some allowance for Muslim boxers.

When I was in Malaysia last winter, there was an indie film out of Singapore called Banting (Slam). The main character is a twenty-something woman who secretly is a wrestler during the evenings. Funny how life imitates art.

Yeah, I’m sure they could accommodate for the reasons you say.Pretty cool that her opponent was that way though. A much needed break from a lot of ugliness we’ve seen.

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Anymouse  Nov 23, 2016 • 5:10:28am

re: #98 Lupin

I’m old enough to have been in Spain as a student under Franco in 1970-71.

I’m pretty sure that no broken promises, no economic catastrophe will drive the fascists away from their Beloved leader. They’ll huddle together around him and will fight the outside world like wolverines on meth to retain their grasp on power.

Transitioning back to a normal regime is a long, hazardous, risky and fraught with violence.

We haven’t even begun to consider some of the possible paths ahead including a passing of the torch from Trump to one of his children as president. Elections can be managed, especially with 60 million supporters.

When I was stationed in Spain in the early Nineties, there were still plenty of people around who supported Franco’s regime (including my landlady).

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Timothy Watson  Nov 23, 2016 • 5:17:05am

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wheat-dogg  Nov 23, 2016 • 5:17:33am

re: #132 HappyWarrior

Yeah, I’m sure they could accommodate for the reasons you say.Pretty cool that her opponent was that way though. A much needed break from a lot of ugliness we’ve seen.

True sportsmanship.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 23, 2016 • 5:17:34am

re: #129 HappyWarrior

And McCain is proud of that? Agh.

family values and all…families that shop at Best Buy together (on Thanksgiving) stay together

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HappyWarrior  Nov 23, 2016 • 5:20:24am

re: #135 wheat-dogg

True sportsmanship.

Yep good to see.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 23, 2016 • 5:23:29am

re: #133 Anymouse

When I was stationed in Spain in the early Nineties, there were still plenty of people around who supported Franco’s regime (including my landlady).

There was an article about that recently. I’m honestly surprised Franco still has that many admirers after 41 years.

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darthstar  Nov 23, 2016 • 5:24:18am

re: #134 Timothy Watson

Thank God I am not going anywhere this holiday:

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darthstar  Nov 23, 2016 • 5:24:51am

re: #138 HappyWarrior

There was an article about that recently. I’m honestly surprised Franco still has that many admirers after 41 years.

He’s still dead, right?

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HappyWarrior  Nov 23, 2016 • 5:26:12am

re: #140 darthstar
Yeah as of the article being published but I have to see if anything changed since.

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Big Beautiful Door  Nov 23, 2016 • 5:26:20am

re: #11 retired cynic

I’m watching and donating to the Louisiana Senate Race and the NC Governor’s Race, which is really a snarl. McCrory is asking for a recount, and if he doesn’t like it, can ask that the governorship be submitted to the Legislature (if I am understanding correctly) and it is overwhelmingly Republican.

It will be interesting to see if the NC GOP actually has the gall to anoint McCrory Governor despite his actually having lost the election.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 23, 2016 • 5:30:13am

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darthstar  Nov 23, 2016 • 5:32:11am

re: #144 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

wanna bet that is deleted soon if not already?

The Internet is forever.

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The Vicious Babushka  Nov 23, 2016 • 5:32:44am

Hair Leader talks about climate change. We are so fucked.

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Myron Falwell (no relation)  Nov 23, 2016 • 5:35:28am

The only other “not batshit insane” potential cabinet pick is being met with butthurt from the Branch Trumpidian crowd.

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN  Nov 23, 2016 • 5:37:45am

re: #146 The Vicious Babushka

I think they misspelled “Palin”

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wheat-dogg  Nov 23, 2016 • 5:39:00am

re: #147 Myron Falwell (no relation)

The only other “not batshit insane” potential cabinet pick is being met with butthurt from the Branch Trumpidian crowd.

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I like this term. Will use in future. Thanks.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 23, 2016 • 5:42:18am

re: #147 Myron Falwell (no relation)

The only other “not batshit insane” potential cabinet pick is being met with butthurt from the Branch Trumpidian crowd.

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They seem to think SOS should be based off loyalty.

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wheat-dogg  Nov 23, 2016 • 5:44:10am

re: #150 HappyWarrior

They seem to think SOS should be based off loyalty.

Of all the names floated for SoS, I’d be happiest with Romney. He’s smart and not insanely Tea Partyish.

That’s probably why they don’t like him.

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The Vicious Babushka  Nov 23, 2016 • 5:44:23am

READ THIS TIMELINE==>

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The Vicious Babushka  Nov 23, 2016 • 5:45:01am

re: #151 wheat-dogg

Of all the names floated for SoS, I’d be happiest with Romney. He’s smart and not insanely Tea Partyish.

That’s probably why they don’t like him.

Did you even imagine yourself saying this 4 years ago?

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HappyWarrior  Nov 23, 2016 • 5:46:02am

re: #151 wheat-dogg

Of all the names floated for SoS, I’d be happiest with Romney. He’s smart and not insanely Tea Partyish.

That’s probably why they don’t like him.

Exactly

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wheat-dogg  Nov 23, 2016 • 5:46:34am

re: #153 The Vicious Babushka

Did you even imagine yourself saying this 4 years ago?

Not at all. I figured Romney was gone from political life entirely.

I also figured Trump hadn’t a ghost of chance of being president. We know how that turned out.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 23, 2016 • 5:47:04am

re: #153 The Vicious Babushka

Did you even imagine yourself saying this 4 years ago?

Nope but there was no President elect Trump four years ago. I don’t like Romney but he’d be better than Rudy or Bolton.

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wheat-dogg  Nov 23, 2016 • 5:48:05am

Hey, I haven’t seen Ziggy_TARDIS lately. Has he been here while I’m away, or what?

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wheat-dogg  Nov 23, 2016 • 5:50:39am

re: #156 HappyWarrior

Nope but there was no President elect Trump four years ago. I don’t like Romney but he’d be better than Rudy or Bolton.

Rudy would be a disaster as SoS. He’s not a diplomat, and AFAIC, too old and loudmouthed for the job.

Bolton would just as soon initiate World War III as negotiate a peace treaty. He’d be a worldwide disaster.

So, Romney by comparison is acceptable.

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Barefoot Grin  Nov 23, 2016 • 5:51:01am

re: #127 Myron Falwell (no relation)

“Quaffing Gravy?” What a horrible hipster-ish name.

I’m going to name my beer “Fickle Anus.”

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Anymouse  Nov 23, 2016 • 5:52:33am

re: #138 HappyWarrior

There was an article about that recently. I’m honestly surprised Franco still has that many admirers after 41 years.

Well, I don’t know if he still has that admiration, as it has been more than twenty years since I lived in Rota.

What got me about it was, during the Spanish Civil War, the region of Andalucia strongly opposed Gen. Franco. Franco economically punished Andalucia for decades after that, yet people supported him. (Perhaps it was the relative stability of Spain under the fascist regime, I don’t know exactly. As an American living in a neighbourhood with no other Americans, I stayed out of political discussion.)

re: #140 darthstar

He’s still dead, right?

Last I heard, he was.

In the Nineties, Juan Carlos I was on the throne, but peseta coins from the Franco era still circulated.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 23, 2016 • 5:52:53am

re: #158 wheat-dogg

Rudy would be a disaster as SoS. He’s not a diplomat, and AFAIC, too old and loudmouthed for the job.

Bolton would just as soon initiate World War III as negotiate a peace treaty. He’d be a worldwide disaster.

So, Romney by comparison is acceptable.

Yeah.

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Dave In Austin  Nov 23, 2016 • 5:53:13am
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darthstar  Nov 23, 2016 • 5:55:44am

re: #119 The Vicious Babushka

HIPSTER BEER FAIL

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I’d cut that down to “Get some awesomeness in your drink hole.” Words to live by.

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Barefoot Grin  Nov 23, 2016 • 5:57:07am

So to whom with the first Presidential Medal of Freedom go in the Trump White House:

Donald, Jr. or Ivanka?

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 23, 2016 • 5:57:37am

re: #98 Lupin

I’m pretty sure that no broken promises, no economic catastrophe will drive the fascists away from their Beloved leader. They’ll huddle together around him and will fight the outside world like wolverines on meth to retain their grasp on power.

Transitioning back to a normal regime is a long, hazardous, risky and fraught with violence.

We have entered into the Great American Idiocracy and the Alternate Media Reality.

I cannot imagine that our mainstream press is going to have the guts to take on Trump; they will find it safer to normalize and rationalize his behavior by superficially attacking his outrageous acts and utterances while ignoring the key issues (incompetence, conflicts of interest, support for and from fascists and extremists).

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The Vicious Babushka  Nov 23, 2016 • 5:58:15am

re: #164 Barefoot Grin

So to whom with the first Presidential Medal of Freedom go in the Trump White House:

Donald, Jr. or Ivanka?

Himself.

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Dave In Austin  Nov 23, 2016 • 5:58:19am

re: #164 Barefoot Grin

So to whom with the first Presidential Medal of Freedom go in the Trump White House:

Donald, Jr. or Ivanka?

Wayne Newton….

(weeps)

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The Vicious Babushka  Nov 23, 2016 • 5:59:06am

re: #166 The Vicious Babushka

Himself.

And then Putin.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 23, 2016 • 5:59:14am

re: #167 Dave In Austin

Wayne Newton….

(weeps)

Ted Nugent, Bob Knight, and Chachi!

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Myron Falwell (no relation)  Nov 23, 2016 • 6:00:49am

re: #140 darthstar

He’s still dead, right?

Garrett Morris, Headmaster of the New York School for the Hard of Hearing, is warming up in the bullpen.

OUR TOP STORY TONIGHT… GENERALISSIMO FRANCISCO FRANCO… IS STILL DEAD!!!
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Myron Falwell (no relation)  Nov 23, 2016 • 6:01:54am

re: #167 Dave In Austin

Wayne Newton….

(weeps)

🎶 “Donkashane…” 🎶

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Dave In Austin  Nov 23, 2016 • 6:03:46am

re: #164 Barefoot Grin

So to whom with the first Presidential Medal of Freedom go in the Trump White House:

Donald, Jr. or Ivanka?

This has the possibility of a trending Tweet…..

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Anymouse  Nov 23, 2016 • 6:04:03am

re: #142 Big Beautiful Door

It will be interesting to see if the NC GOP actually has the gall to anoint McCrory Governor despite his actually having lost the election.

The bill they passed last year that allows for the legislature to simply appoint the winner in case there was significant doubt about the electoral process (not the number of votes) almost makes this look like it was planned.

Pat McCrory has now filed for a statewide recount (which is his right), but is alleging voter fraud. There was an article I cannot find now that also alleged that filings in every county were pretty much cookie cutter filings, that were traced back to the NC State Board of Elections. The Democrat on that board challenged the state IT department of generating those filings. The board then absolved itself of wrongdoing.

It would appear that a slo-mo coup is going on in the NC Governor’s race. All the hullaboo could cause the state legislature to declare a lack of confidence in the election, then last year’s law is employed to simply declare a winner, regardless of the votes.

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Myron Falwell (no relation)  Nov 23, 2016 • 6:04:34am

re: #164 Barefoot Grin

So to whom with the first Presidential Medal of Freedom go in the Trump White House:

Donald, Jr. or Ivanka?

Lumpy.

half //

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Sir John Barron  Nov 23, 2016 • 6:04:58am

re: #164 Barefoot Grin

So to whom with the first Presidential Medal of Freedom go in the Trump White House:

Donald, Jr. or Ivanka?

Steve Bannon. Nice guy. Used to run a “news” website.

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Myron Falwell (no relation)  Nov 23, 2016 • 6:06:02am

re: #175 Sir John Barron

Steve Bannon. Nice guy. Used to run a “news” website.

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Along with SMOTI and Bill Mitchell.

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Anymouse  Nov 23, 2016 • 6:06:08am

re: #165 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

We have entered into the Great American Idiocracy and the Alternate Media Reality.

I cannot imagine that our mainstream press is going to have the guts to take on Trump; they will find it safer to normalize and rationalize his behavior by superficially attacking his outrageous acts and utterances while ignoring the key issues (incompetence, conflicts of interest, support for and from fascists and extremists).

Remember his threat to “open up libel laws,” which sounds an awful lot like an autocratic regime shutting down critical news outlets.

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jeffreyw  Nov 23, 2016 • 6:06:32am

Flickr


Good morning!

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b.d.  Nov 23, 2016 • 6:06:35am

re: #164 Barefoot Grin

So to whom with the first Presidential Medal of Freedom go in the Trump White House:

Donald, Jr. or Ivanka?

Jon Voight, James Woods, Nick Searcy or that Dilbert guy.

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The Vicious Babushka  Nov 23, 2016 • 6:07:36am

re: #179 b.d.

Jon Voight, James Woods, Nick Searcy or that Dilbert guy.

James O’Queef III

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 23, 2016 • 6:07:43am

re: #177 Anymouse

Remember his threat to “open up libel laws,” which sounds an awful lot like an autocratic regime shutting down critical news outlets.

That was just his way of making sure they behave…the equivalent of “Don’t make me come upstairs!”

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 23, 2016 • 6:08:19am

re: #180 The Vicious Babushka

James O’Queef III

I assume he will also be put in charge of the Ministry of Fairness and Balance

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Sir John Barron  Nov 23, 2016 • 6:08:24am

Another victory for the White working cl….oh wait.

A Texas judge ruled Tuesday to put the brakes on federal rules that would have expanded overtime pay to more than 4 million workers.

A rule from the Department of Labor that was supposed to take effect next week would have made overtime pay available to full-time salaried employees earning up to $47,476 a year, more than doubling the current threshold of $23,660 a year.

Employees earning below that threshold would qualify to earn one and a half times pay for any time worked beyond 40 hours a week. The rule was set to go into effect Dec. 1.

I expect an avalanche of pundit analysis about how this relates to the Great White Working Class.

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b.d.  Nov 23, 2016 • 6:08:47am

re: #180 The Vicious Babushka

James O’Queef III

re: #182 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I assume he will also be put in charge of the Ministry of Fairness and Balance

The NSA

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The Vicious Babushka  Nov 23, 2016 • 6:09:02am

re: #182 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I assume he will also be put in charge of the Ministry of Fairness and Balance

MINISTRY OF TROOF!!!!!!

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Myron Falwell (no relation)  Nov 23, 2016 • 6:09:10am

re: #180 The Vicious Babushka

James O’Queef III

Followed by Omarosa and “Diamonds and Silk.”

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darthstar  Nov 23, 2016 • 6:11:10am

re: #178 jeffreyw

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Good morning!

That”s a breakfast burrito for people who don’t know what a breakfast burrito should look like.

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Sir John Barron  Nov 23, 2016 • 6:11:16am

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Sir John Barron  Nov 23, 2016 • 6:11:42am

re: #188 Sir John Barron

John Barron and John Miller, Trump spokesmen, who play important, behind-the-scene roles.

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Anymouse  Nov 23, 2016 • 6:15:04am

re: #186 Myron Falwell (no relation)

Followed by Omarosa and “Diamonds and Silk.”

The National Rifle Association.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 23, 2016 • 6:17:20am

Gingrich? Giuliani? Palin? For lifetime of “service.”

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Myron Falwell (no relation)  Nov 23, 2016 • 6:20:14am

re: #191 HappyWarrior

Gingrich? Giuliani? Palin? For lifetime of “service.”

Then Rush has to be thrown into that flaming bag of dog poop.

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Anymouse  Nov 23, 2016 • 6:20:32am

I found the article on the NC Board of Elections IT folk filing cookie cutter complaints in every precinct at another site, Daily Kos (skip a short way down the page)

The section of the article dealing with this links to the complaint (a PDF file) filed, which runs to 651 pages.

dailykos.com

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darthstar  Nov 23, 2016 • 6:21:01am

Only 3 years and 50 weeks of “What ifs” to go…

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lawhawk  Nov 23, 2016 • 6:21:03am
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But right wingers want people to think that Obama unleashed racism? Sorry, but racism and bigotry never went away. Obama’s presidency revealed that the bigotry and racism is alive and well, and Trump’s win showed that there’s a lot of pushback to minorities gaining rights and equality.

And the bigotry extends beyond racism, to include anti-Semitism, Islamophobia, and we see it in Trump’s immigration policies (banning Muslims and others from entering US) - basically a white supremacists’ wet dream of stopping non-white immigration to the US, in the perverse hope that they can stem the tide of being demographically outnumbered by minorities in a few generations. Race war and all that craziness is still their ultimate goal, and Trump’s policies feed this hate. Elevating Bannon and other extremists to key roles further cements the white supremacists beliefs in key policy positions.

We see it with a likely Trump inner circle extremist Kobach’s voter restrictions that make it tougher for minorities to vote - depriving them of the rights that so many take for granted.

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lawhawk  Nov 23, 2016 • 6:22:35am

Diversionary tactics - Nikki Haley accepts role as Ambassador to the UN.

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darthstar  Nov 23, 2016 • 6:24:43am

re: #196 lawhawk

Diversionary tactics - Nikki Haley accepts role as Ambassador to the UN.

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Is this to divert us from the Wind Farm thing or the refusal to divest thing?

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The Vicious Babushka  Nov 23, 2016 • 6:25:18am

re: #195 lawhawk

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But right wingers want people to think that Obama unleashed racism? Sorry, but racism and bigotry never went away. Obama’s presidency revealed that the bigotry and racism is alive and well, and Trump’s win showed that there’s a lot of pushback to minorities gaining rights and equality.

And the bigotry extends beyond racism, to include anti-Semitism, Islamophobia, and we see it in Trump’s immigration policies (banning Muslims and others from entering US) - basically a white supremacists’ wet dream of stopping non-white immigration to the US, in the perverse hope that they can stem the tide of being demographically outnumbered by minorities in a few generations. Race war and all that craziness is still their ultimate goal, and Trump’s policies feed this hate. Elevating Bannon and other extremists to key roles further cements the white supremacists beliefs in key policy positions.

We see it with a likely Trump inner circle extremist Kobach’s voter restrictions that make it tougher for minorities to vote - depriving them of the rights that so many take for granted.

Michael Twitty is also gay and Jewish, so he’s a “Threefer”

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 23, 2016 • 6:25:42am

re: #197 darthstar

Is this to divert us from the Wind Farm thing or the refusal to divest thing?

From the Total Incompetency thing

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darthstar  Nov 23, 2016 • 6:27:12am
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Timothy Watson  Nov 23, 2016 • 6:28:01am

re: #196 lawhawk

NEW: South Carolina Gov. Nikki Haley accepts President-elect Donald Trump’s offer of UN ambassador

Jesus H. Christ, Claire Underwood had more qualifications than Nikki Haley does.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 23, 2016 • 6:28:31am

re: #196 lawhawk

Diversionary tactics - Nikki Haley accepts role as Ambassador to the UN.

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She’s not the worst person he could have chosen for the job but this is still an odd pick IMO.

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Nov 23, 2016 • 6:29:29am

re: #134 Timothy Watson

It’s the American Legion Bridge. Fucking Ch. 5 morons.

Legion Bridge, WTF?

And, during morning rush hour, no less. Yikes. If you’re coming into MD from VA, on that side, you’re fucked.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 23, 2016 • 6:30:13am

re: #200 darthstar

In The Rocketeer, even the fucking Mafia switched sides when they realized they’d been working with Nazis.

As the last of the people for whom German National Socialism is a living memory die off, the more that ideology will experience a resurgence. Much the same can be said for any totalitarian ideology that we thought had died out…

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Myron Falwell (no relation)  Nov 23, 2016 • 6:30:59am

re: #201 Timothy Watson

Jesus H. Christ, Claire Underwood had more qualifications than Nikki Haley does.

South Carolina also produced this MENSA member.

Miss Teen USA 2007 - South Carolina answers a question


Never forget.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 23, 2016 • 6:31:06am

re: #202 HappyWarrior

She’s not the worst person he could have chosen for the job but this is still an odd pick IMO.

So he can claim more ideological distance from his alt-right base of support.

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jeffreyw  Nov 23, 2016 • 6:31:28am

re: #187 darthstar

That”s a breakfast burrito for people who don’t know what a breakfast burrito should look like.

LOL! I remember hearing “breakfast burrito” and thinking “what the fuck is a breakfast burrito? Hmm… well , it has to have at least an egg…”

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The Vicious Babushka  Nov 23, 2016 • 6:32:18am

re: #205 Myron Falwell (no relation)

South Carolina also produced this MENSA member.

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Never forget.

She has a good shot at getting a Trump admin position, because she’s at least a 9.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 23, 2016 • 6:32:40am

re: #206 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

So he can claim more ideological distance from his alt-right base of support.

Sure but couldn’t he found someone with actual FP experience or a background in it? I mean the Governor of South Carolina, very odd pick for Ambassador to the UN.

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darthstar  Nov 23, 2016 • 6:33:03am
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HappyWarrior  Nov 23, 2016 • 6:33:09am

re: #207 jeffreyw

LOL! I remember hearing “breakfast burrito” and thinking “what the fuck is a breakfast burrito? Hmm… well , it has to have at least an egg…”

We make ours with potatoes and green salsa. New Mexico style!

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Timothy Watson  Nov 23, 2016 • 6:33:20am

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lawhawk  Nov 23, 2016 • 6:34:12am

re: #197 darthstar

Is this to divert us from the Wind Farm thing or the refusal to divest thing?

Both.

The wind farm thing is just another attempt to try and get the UK to stop wind farms from being built within view of one of his golf courses. Because his personal profit comes before everything else.

Divesting? He doesn’t do divesting. He sees no conflicts of interest because he’s President, and he can do anything he damn well pleases. Besides, who’s going to stop him?

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Anymouse  Nov 23, 2016 • 6:34:17am

Christian Identity pastor Mark Downey of Florence, Kentucky, is suggesting the incoming minority-President’s administration should start cracking down on Jews right away.

“The wolves in evangelical clothing will not tell you the following things to do, because for the most part, they are shabbez goi, which means they are the lackies for their Jewish masters,” wrote Downey, who essentially encourages Trump to recast himself as a religious leader.

“If you want to make America great again, it is imperative that we isolate ourselves from a world gone crazy,” Downey wrote. “It is madness to impose other morals and values upon this once great Christian nation. Think of it: a White Christian America as envisioned by our founding fathers or a third world melting pot that has no identity, no heritage and thus no future of greatness. No other religion will make America great again. Have you ever heard ‘No King but Jesus’?”

I can’t wait for the Christian Identity church up the road from my house to go full metal wingnut. I am not really in a position to get away from them if they choose to come after my very public ass.

rawstory.com

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darthstar  Nov 23, 2016 • 6:38:09am

re: #207 jeffreyw

LOL! I remember hearing “breakfast burrito” and thinking “what the fuck is a breakfast burrito? Hmm… well , it has to have at least an egg…”

Scrambled eggs & chorizo, jalapenos, a little rice or potatoes, a little cheese, some pico de gallo, and it should weigh a good pound, be wrapped in foil, and held in both hands at chest height so you can reach down with your head and take fully open mouthed bites without grossing out your neighbor.

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Nov 23, 2016 • 6:38:55am

re: #178 jeffreyw

Your presentation is always so well done.

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darthstar  Nov 23, 2016 • 6:40:05am

re: #213 lawhawk

Both.

The wind farm thing is just another attempt to try and get the UK to stop wind farms from being built within view of one of his golf courses. Because his personal profit comes before everything else.

Divesting? He doesn’t do divesting. He sees no conflicts of interest because he’s President, and he can do anything he damn well pleases. Besides, who’s going to stop him?

This stud.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 23, 2016 • 6:41:14am

re: #212 Timothy Watson

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You know the funny thing is. My grandfather had no desire to work in the mines. I think he preferred working above ground anyhow but I think he also saw that the mines really did take their toll on his father and father in law’s health. I was talking with my grandmother just last night about this and she was talking about how towards the end of her father’s life, he could barely breath and walk. I’m sure he was proud of his work but he didn’t do it because he loved coal, he did it because he was an immigrant with a limited education and mining was the best thing he could have done. He did it so his descendants could have a better future. One of his daughters, my godmother went to college but nearly all his grand children and great grand children have.

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Patricia Kayden  Nov 23, 2016 • 6:41:49am

re: #122 HappyWarrior

We are fighters for the working class Bernie. Stop fucking acting like we aren’t.

Exactly. Why is Senator Sanders slandering Democrats by implying that we aren’t fighting for the working class? And why is he implying that we can’t be concerned about both the working class (all races) and the problems faced by various groups in this country (racism, sexism, homophobia, Islamophobia, anti-Semitism)? It is not an either or proposition.

Someone needs to push back on Sanders’ arguments and force him to stop spreading lies about the Democratic Party.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 23, 2016 • 6:42:08am

re: #217 darthstar

This stud.

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To be fair though, Joe Biden is no ordinary 69 year old man heh.

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Timothy Watson  Nov 23, 2016 • 6:42:50am

re: #203 Colère Tueur de Lapin

It’s the American Legion Bridge. Fucking Ch. 5 morons.

Legion Bridge, WTF?

I think they may have ran out of space on the tweet.

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jeffreyw  Nov 23, 2016 • 6:42:58am

re: #211 HappyWarrior

We make ours with potatoes and green salsa. New Mexico style!

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HappyWarrior  Nov 23, 2016 • 6:44:48am

re: #222 jeffreyw

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Could go for one of those right now. Instead it’s just granola, bananas, and milk.

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Patricia Kayden  Nov 23, 2016 • 6:47:45am

re: #152 The Vicious Babushka

I’m glad he filed a complaint with the Montgomery County police department. I’m kind of surprised because Montgomery County is pretty deep blue but I guess racist cops are everywhere. Sigh.

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Big Beautiful Door  Nov 23, 2016 • 6:48:49am

re: #158 wheat-dogg

Rudy would be a disaster as SoS. He’s not a diplomat, and AFAIC, too old and loudmouthed for the job.

Bolton would just as soon initiate World War III as negotiate a peace treaty. He’d be a worldwide disaster.

So, Romney by comparison is acceptable.

If Romney is the selection for SoS, I’d be relieved that there would be at least one level headed adult in the Situation Room when there is a crisis.

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Nov 23, 2016 • 6:49:24am

re: #221 Timothy Watson

I think they may have ran out of space on the tweet.

Abbreviate American. Anything but that. Now I have “I am Legend” running through my brain. Possibly one of the worst films ever.

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darthstar  Nov 23, 2016 • 6:49:38am

re: #222 jeffreyw

Okay…now I’m getting hungry. I fuckin’ love breakfast burritos.

Here…let’s look at last night’s dinner again. Friend’s folks visiting from out of town…so we broke out the good Chinette. She rented a house for them over by the harbor across the street from us and picked up 10 crabs from one of the boats. I asked if she needed an extra crab pot for boiling and she said “Yes!” - so I brought two…then I cooked the crabs, cleaned them, served them…but I do enjoy eating them so it was worth it.

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darthstar  Nov 23, 2016 • 6:50:44am

re: #227 darthstar

We had a nice sunset as well.

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Nov 23, 2016 • 6:51:57am

re: #227 darthstar

then I cooked the crabs, cleaned them, served them…but I do enjoy eating them so it was worth it.

You left-coasters are weird with your lesser-than-blue point crabs. Prep them for your guests? That’s just wrong.

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Patricia Kayden  Nov 23, 2016 • 6:52:58am

re: #214 Anymouse

“Think of it: a White Christian America as envisioned by our founding fathers or a third world melting pot that has no identity, no heritage and thus no future of greatness.”

When was America ever “White”? Native Americans have always been here and African Americans were brought here in the 1600s. This is not now and has never been and will never be in the future a “White Christian ” country, except in the imagination of racists.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 23, 2016 • 6:53:06am

re: #212 Timothy Watson

The promise of coal mining or any other traditional industry is that a man with minimal education or training can work hard and support a family, own a house and put his kids through college while his wife stays home or works part-time.

That is the rose-colored vision of America that Trump successfully sold to the disenfranchised white American heartland.

We all know those (unionized) jobs are gone and that unskilled work and single-earner households are a thing of the past, but we still long for that era.

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darthstar  Nov 23, 2016 • 6:53:23am

re: #229 Colère Tueur de Lapin

You left-coasters are weird with your lesser-than-blue point crabs. Prep them for your guests? That’s just wrong.

Funny. As one of the visiting right coasters was crowing about how tasty they were, I put my bias on full display and said, “Best crabs on the planet.”

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Nov 23, 2016 • 6:54:25am

Bah.

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darthstar  Nov 23, 2016 • 6:54:34am

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The Vicious Babushka  Nov 23, 2016 • 6:54:47am

re: #231 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

The promise of coal mining or any other traditional industry is that a man with minimal education or training can work hard and support a family, own a house and put his kids through college while his wife stays home or works part-time.

That is the rose-colored vision of America that Trump successfully sold to the disenfranchised white American heartland.

We all know those (unionized) jobs are gone and that unskilled work and single-earner households are a thing of the past, but we still long for that era.

Also: the retail dream, that you would open your own little store.

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Anymouse  Nov 23, 2016 • 6:55:00am

re: #221 Timothy Watson

I think they may have ran out of space on the tweet.

Members of the American Legion frequently refer to it as “The Legion,” as do other veterans organisations like the VFW and DAV. It may be nothing more than that.

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Patricia Kayden  Nov 23, 2016 • 6:55:43am

re: #234 darthstar

He played at Limbaugh’s latest marriage ceremony so he has a record for entertaining Rightwingers. Not too surprised.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 23, 2016 • 6:55:44am

re: #230 Patricia Kayden

“Think of it: a White Christian America as envisioned by our founding fathers or a third world melting pot that has no identity, no heritage and thus no future of greatness.”

When was America ever “White”? Native Americans have always been here and African Americans were brought here in the 1600s. This is not now and has never been and will never be in the future a “White Christian ” country, except in the imagination of racists.

Point is that for a long time, White Christians ruled the country: blacks and minorities either served it or were systematically excluded from it. Christianity was the default and de facto state religion and nobody dared challenge it.

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lawhawk  Nov 23, 2016 • 6:56:06am

re: #237 Patricia Kayden

Paychecks are paychecks.

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Franklin  Nov 23, 2016 • 6:56:31am

Yikes, memes and screen caps can hurt…

…remember this guy:

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That is Matt Viser from the Boston Globe. The unfortunate recipient of an incendiary chyron and a snapshot in time.

Even though my title and affiliation with The Boston Globe were included, at first glance, some thought I was the alt-right founder. And that I was questioning whether Jews are people. And that CNN was giving me a platform to air those views.

“You are an alt-right douchebag,” someone wrote to me on Twitter.

Another said that I am “a well known white supremacist hidden behind @BostonGlobe. I’m thankful that he was finally calld out.”

Wrote a third: “I always suspected Matt Viser of the Boston Globe was a closet Neo-Nazi —- or at least a sympathizer. Sieg Heil, Matt!”

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HappyWarrior  Nov 23, 2016 • 6:56:48am

re: #230 Patricia Kayden

“Think of it: a White Christian America as envisioned by our founding fathers or a third world melting pot that has no identity, no heritage and thus no future of greatness.”

When was America ever “White”? Native Americans have always been here and African Americans were brought here in the 1600s. This is not now and has never been and will never be in the future a “White Christian ” country, except in the imagination of racists.

When they say America’s “white”, they mean ruled by whites, and when you really really press them, they admit they mean White Christian Protestant males of Northern and Western European descent. That’s why it’s so funny to see names like Cernovitch and otehrs involved in the alt-right.

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b.d.  Nov 23, 2016 • 6:57:51am

re: #234 darthstar

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lawhawk  Nov 23, 2016 • 6:58:32am

Worst economy ever:

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Meanwhile, Trump voters who thought that the GOP would help them are ignorant while watching GOP elected officials cheer at a judge blocking Obama’s overtime rules that would have benefited these same voters.

And they’ll go on cheering the GOP while their paychecks get sapped, their rights get restricted, and the rich get richer.

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Anymouse  Nov 23, 2016 • 6:58:52am

re: #230 Patricia Kayden

“Think of it: a White Christian America as envisioned by our founding fathers or a third world melting pot that has no identity, no heritage and thus no future of greatness.”

When was America ever “White”? Native Americans have always been here and African Americans were brought here in the 1600s. This is not now and has never been and will never be in the future a “White Christian ” country, except in the imagination of racists.

But they aren’t Americans.

Ayn Rand noted that Native Americans deserved to lose their lands because they “weren’t doing anything with them.”

While African-Americans have been part of the USA since colonial days, they did not become citizens until after the Civil War. (Sovereign Citizen nonsense thus claims that African-Americans belong to the State but SCs are “free men.”)

Immigrant families (meaning “those people”) didn’t found the country, why do they want to have a say in how it’s run?

Since white Americans in fact controlled the levers of power in Colonial America and beyond, it must “always be that way.” (It is very much like religion.)

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Timothy Watson  Nov 23, 2016 • 7:01:38am

re: #224 Patricia Kayden

I’m glad he filed a complaint with the Montgomery County police department. I’m kind of surprised because Montgomery County is pretty deep blue but I guess racist cops are everywhere. Sigh.

Montgomery County Police Department has had issues going back almost a decade:

On February 17, 1997, the local Fraternal Order of Police (FOP) body voted overwhelmingly in passing a resolution of no confidence in Mehrling’s abilities as chief, claiming that she was not doing enough to defend MCPD officers against accusations of misconduct and abuse by the NAACP. As a result of these allegations, the United States Department of Justice (DOJ) launched an investigation into the operations of the MCPD. On November 17, 1998, Mehrling announced that she would retire from the MCPD and did so on February 3, 1999, with Thomas Evans becoming the acting chief.

Throughout much of the 1990s, the MCPD faced numerous allegations of abuse, excessive force, and misconduct, including fatal officer-involved shootings in Wheaton and Silver Spring in April 1999 and March 1999, respectively. These accusations resulted in the U.S. Justice Department investigating the department for three years.[23][5][24][25][26][27][28][29][30][31][32]

[…]

On January 14, 2000, a Memorandum of Agreement (MOA) was signed between the U.S. Department of Justice and the MCPD regarding abuses and misconduct committed by the latter. The agreement detailed how the MCPD was to address and correct the misconduct and abuses committed by its officers.[34]

en.wikipedia.org

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makeitstop  Nov 23, 2016 • 7:03:50am

re: #202 HappyWarrior

She’s not the worst person he could have chosen for the job but this is still an odd pick IMO.

You have to put all of his nominations through the ‘The best and brightest all said no’ filter, and then they make (slightly) more sense.

If this were an NBA draft, he’d be restricted to picking second rounders and undraftables.

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Anymouse  Nov 23, 2016 • 7:04:30am

Oregon Councilman: I’m Not Racist for Sharing Video of Driver Running Over Black People, You Are (goes to Raw Story)

An Oregon city councilman tried the “I’m rubber, you’re glue” defense after he posted a racially charged video encouraging violence against black protesters.

Daniel Benjamin, a city councilor in Salem, posted the violent video on his personal Facebook page showing a vehicle plowing into several black people as ominous music plays, reported KATU-TV.

The post includes a description from a conservative blogger complaining that “people are starting to get tired of the Black Lives Matter bullies blocking the roadways.”

Civil rights activists have called for Benjamin to resign, saying the post was “sickening.”

“You’re promoting racial intimidation and harassment and possibly murder,” said Teressa Raiford, lead organizer for Don’t Shoot Portland. “Ask him to resign or just go ahead and get done with him.”

The article continues there.

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Skip Intro  Nov 23, 2016 • 7:04:56am

re: #164 Barefoot Grin

So to whom with the first Presidential Medal of Freedom go in the Trump White House:

Donald, Jr. or Ivanka?

Ivanka, so he can feel her up in public again.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 23, 2016 • 7:06:09am

re: #247 Anymouse

Oregon Councilman: I’m Not Racist for Sharing Video of Driver Running Over Black People, You Are (goes to Raw Story)

The article continues there.

Remember, this is a totally effective approach in the Age of Alternate Media Reality.

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wheat-dogg  Nov 23, 2016 • 7:06:16am

re: #246 makeitstop

You have to put all of his nominations through the ‘The best and brightest all said no’ filter, and then they make (slightly) more sense.

If this were an NBA draft, he’d be restricted to picking second rounders and undraftables.

Good point. I’d read that quite a few Republicans had told the Trumpistas, thanks for the offer, but I have to wash my hair for the next four years, tyvm.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 23, 2016 • 7:08:12am

re: #250 wheat-dogg

Good point. I’d read that quite a few Republicans had told the Trumpistas, thanks for the offer, but I have to wash my hair for the next four years, tyvm.

There are still a handful of people in the party who do are trying to avoid tarnishing their reputation by too close an association with him.

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Anymouse  Nov 23, 2016 • 7:08:18am

Montana Trump Electoral College elector: Execute Gays, Hang Them Up Where They Can Be Seen (goes to Raw Story)

Scranton took things a bit further. “I think fruits are decorative. Hang up where they can be seen and appreciated. Call Wyoming for display instructions,” he said. Wyoming is the site where Matthew Shepard was severely beaten, tied to a fence and left for dead just outside of Laramie in the late 1990s.

When he spoke to The Gazette this week, he didn’t back down from his remarks, however.

“Don’t forget, I’m 93 years old. I come from a different era. I hadn’t heard of anyone being homosexual until I joined the Navy, and then I encountered them,” Scranton said. “We were raised with good morals.”

More at Raw Story

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Skip Intro  Nov 23, 2016 • 7:08:32am

re: #234 darthstar

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Didn’t he do one of Limbaugh’s weddings as well?

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Timothy Watson  Nov 23, 2016 • 7:09:22am

Already seeing the narrative from conservatives and the media forming:
UN Ambassadors in the ’60s and ’70s didn’t need any experience, why does Nikki Haley?

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Myron Falwell (no relation)  Nov 23, 2016 • 7:09:29am

re: #253 Skip Intro

Didn’t he do one of Limbaugh’s weddings as well?

His most recent one.

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The Vicious Babushka  Nov 23, 2016 • 7:09:32am

re: #252 Anymouse

Montana Trump Electoral College elector: Execute Gays, Hang Them Up Where They Can Be Seen (goes to Raw Story)

More at Raw Story

But don’t sell Boeings to Iran Airlines.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 23, 2016 • 7:09:52am

re: #252 Anymouse

Montana Trump Electoral College elector: Execute Gays, Hang Them Up Where They Can Be Seen (goes to Raw Story)

More at Raw Story

No excuse for being 93 years old and believing that. I don’t expect everyone to share my views on gay people but no one should talk about human beings needing to be hanged for who they are.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 23, 2016 • 7:10:03am

re: #253 Skip Intro

Didn’t he do one of Limbaugh’s weddings as well?

Yes.

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The Vicious Babushka  Nov 23, 2016 • 7:11:03am
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lawhawk  Nov 23, 2016 • 7:12:06am
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Anymouse  Nov 23, 2016 • 7:13:23am

re: #257 HappyWarrior

No excuse for being 93 years old and believing that. I don’t expect everyone to share my views on gay people but no one should talk about human beings needing to be hanged for who they are.

As he said in the article, it was bad morals. He doesn’t want to hang people for who they are, he wants to hang people because they don’t conform to his idea of morality.

I’m guessing Christian.

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Myron Falwell (no relation)  Nov 23, 2016 • 7:14:39am

re: #252 Anymouse

Montana Trump Electoral College elector: Execute Gays, Hang Them Up Where They Can Be Seen (goes to Raw Story)

More at Raw Story

That should be a slam-dunk disqualification, but for the Branch Trumpidians, it’s a résumé enhancement.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 23, 2016 • 7:15:29am

re: #261 Anymouse

As he said in the article, it was bad morals. He doesn’t want to hang people for who they are, he wants to hang people because they don’t conform to his idea of morality.

I’m guessing Christian.

Yeah that’s fucked up.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 23, 2016 • 7:18:23am

re: #263 HappyWarrior

Yeah that’s fucked up.

It’s in Leviticus!

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HappyWarrior  Nov 23, 2016 • 7:20:26am

re: #264 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

It’s in Leviticus!

My favorite are the anti-gay people who have Levitcus tattooed on them.

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lawhawk  Nov 23, 2016 • 7:20:59am

Ralph Branca has passed at age 90.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 23, 2016 • 7:23:02am

re: #267 lawhawk

Ralph Branca has passed at age 90.

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TedStriker  Nov 23, 2016 • 7:23:14am

re: #239 lawhawk

Paychecks are paychecks.

And, last I heard, EJ needs them, because he’s a bit of a spendthrift.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 23, 2016 • 7:23:42am

Man there’s not too many of the Boys of Summer left. I am glad I finally read that one. I think Carl Erskine may be one of the only ones left that I know of.

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Timothy Watson  Nov 23, 2016 • 7:24:30am

Is it bad that I can’t wait for the next season of House of Cards because I need some escapist fiction?

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HappyWarrior  Nov 23, 2016 • 7:25:49am

re: #271 Timothy Watson

Is it bad that I can’t wait for the next season of House of Cards because I need some escapist fiction?

I need to get caught up on last season.

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Anymouse  Nov 23, 2016 • 7:28:24am

re: #259 The Vicious Babushka

Nice idea, won’t happen for several reasons:

a) The Executive Branch heads are the first to declare the President is unable to discharge his duties. Those would be the heads Mr. Trump and his team are picking now.

b) Trump voters would go off the rails, because they are all for the Constitution right up until they are not.

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lawhawk  Nov 23, 2016 • 7:30:31am
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Anymouse  Nov 23, 2016 • 7:31:10am

re: #266 HappyWarrior

My favorite are the anti-gay people who have Levitcus tattooed on them.

Never mind all that other stuff in Leviticus (eating shellfish, marrying your brother’s widow, &c) then the explanation is “that was all superseded by the New Testament.”

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 23, 2016 • 7:31:44am

I am engaging in some serious Wishful Thinking here, but I can see already see signs GOP civil war brewing between the fundamentalist Christians who want to toss out Trump and put in President Pence and the die-hard Trump fans of the alt-right.

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The Vicious Babushka  Nov 23, 2016 • 7:32:05am

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 23, 2016 • 7:32:25am

re: #275 Anymouse

Never mind all that other stuff in Leviticus (eating shellfish, marrying your brother’s widow, &c) then the explanation is “that was all superseded by the New Testament.”

St. Paul hated gays, too, so that’s alright.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 23, 2016 • 7:32:36am

re: #275 Anymouse

Never mind all that other stuff in Leviticus (eating shellfish, marrying your brother’s widow, &c) then the explanation is “that was all superseded by the New Testament.”

Tattoos are prohibited in the Levitcus too. That’s why it amuses me.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 23, 2016 • 7:33:02am

re: #276 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I am engaging in some serious Wishful Thinking here, but I can see already see signs GOP civil war brewing between the fundamentalist Christians who want to toss out Trump and put in President Pence and the die-hard Trump fans of the alt-right.

Wouldn’t surprise me.

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Anymouse  Nov 23, 2016 • 7:33:15am

re: #276 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I am engaging in some serious Wishful Thinking here, but I can see already see signs GOP civil war brewing between the fundamentalist Christians who want to toss out Trump and put in President Pence and the die-hard Trump fans of the alt-right neo-Nazis.

Fixed for you. I will not allow by me the mainstreaming of the minority President’s favoured terminology without correcting it.

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lawhawk  Nov 23, 2016 • 7:38:20am

re: #275 Anymouse

(not directed at you specifically Anymouse)
So, you take the Bible literally. Old Testament even?
Yes.
Gays must be stoned/killed?
Yup. That’s in Leviticus.

Okay, so you don’t eat shellfish?
Wait, what? Where’s that?
Leviticus (11:9).
Nope, that’s superseded by NT

What about digging on swine?
What? Bacon’s good.
Um, no. It’s not. And that’s in Leviticus (Leviticus 11:7 and Deuteronomy 14:8)
Superseded by NT too.

Mixing clothing fabric types? Fringes on clothing? Eating milk and meat? Proper slaughtering of animals? Eating only certain prescribed animals in a certain fashion?

*crickets*

That’s all in Leviticus too - Leviticus 11 deals specifically with food that can or can’t be eaten - Kashruth is based on all this.

Oh really? So, you get to play pick and choose about what’s followed and what isn’t based on how you feel about a specific portion of text? Interesting. So, I guess you ignore that the NT doesn’t feel the same way you do about gays.

These folks engage in the pick and roll - they pick what they want, and roll however they damn well please, no matter the consequences to others.

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Anymouse  Nov 23, 2016 • 7:40:43am

re: #282 lawhawk

Pretty much like the Constitution. Worship it, don’t read it.

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lawhawk  Nov 23, 2016 • 7:41:28am

re: #283 Anymouse

Pretty much like the Constitution. Worship it, don’t read it.

Let alone understand it and the way it is interpreted.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 23, 2016 • 7:42:14am

re: #283 Anymouse

Pretty much like the Constitution. Worship it, don’t read it.

It’s the same mindset really. Literalism is dangerous especially for a book over a thousand years old. It’s bad enough that they do it with the Constitution.

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Charles Johnson  Nov 23, 2016 • 7:42:46am
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HappyWarrior  Nov 23, 2016 • 7:45:04am

re: #286 Charles Johnson

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Anymouse  Nov 23, 2016 • 7:46:13am

www (dot) constitutionmythbusters (dot) org

The wingnut Christian Identity church up the road from me has a blog post on “Constitutional Idolatry”

Election day is the Constitutional Republic’s national idol’s high holy day by which its god We the People6 are empowered and further entrenched in their constitutional idolatry. Why would any Christian want to perpetuate this idolatry?

Constitutionalists often contrast the divine right of kings with the divine right of the people…. The only difference between the divine right of kings and the divine right of the people is the number of people involved. Whether ruled by one or many, it is still humanism. The “divine right” of the people to elect whomever they wish replaced not only the divine right of kings and parliament, but also the divine right of Yahweh as God, King, Judge, and Lawgiver.7 James Wilson, one of Pennsylvania’s delegates to the Constitutional Convention, labeled this divine attribute “sovereignty”:

Election is the exercise of original sovereignty in the people….

There is only one Sovereign and it is certainly not the people:

…He who is the blessed and only Sovereign, the King of kings and Lord of lords…. (1 Timothy 6:15, NASB)

It’s for this reason constitutional elections represent treason against Yahweh. How could it be otherwise? Constitutional elections, perhaps more than anything else, perpetuate this ungodly system, which was created by freemasons, enlightenment thinkers, and legalers when they replaced the 17th-century Colonial governments of, by, and for God established upon His immutable moral law.

For Christians, this amounts to drinking from the cup of the Lord and the cup of devils at the same time. It’s essentially the same as if an Old Covenant Israelite participated in electing a Baal priest.

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Myron Falwell (no relation)  Nov 23, 2016 • 7:50:27am

re: #240 Franklin

Yikes, memes and screen caps can hurt…

…remember this guy:

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That is Matt Viser from the Boston Globe. The unfortunate recipient of an incendiary chyron and a snapshot in time.

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The non-stop usage of lower third headlines graphics to endlessly reinforce what’s being covered (like you, the viewer, are a goddam moron) is one of the other reasons why I refuse to watch cable news.

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The Vicious Babushka  Nov 23, 2016 • 7:53:05am

What kind of pie should I make for Thanksgiving? Lemon Meringue or Key Lime?

Please don’t say “both” because there are only two of us and we can’t each eat a whole pie.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 23, 2016 • 7:54:05am

re: #290 The Vicious Babushka

What kind of pie should I make for Thanksgiving? Lemon Meringue or Key Lime?

Please don’t say “both” because there are only two of us and we can’t each eat a whole pie.

Oh man, two of my favorites. Go with Lemon meringue though.

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(alpuz)  Nov 23, 2016 • 7:54:05am

Both?

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wheat-dogg  Nov 23, 2016 • 7:54:10am

re: #290 The Vicious Babushka

What kind of pie should I make for Thanksgiving? Lemon Meringue or Key Lime?

Please don’t say “both” because there are only two of us and we can’t each eat a whole pie.

Key lime.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 23, 2016 • 7:54:18am

re: #290 The Vicious Babushka

What kind of pie should I make for Thanksgiving? Lemon Meringue or Key Lime?

Please don’t say “both” because there are only two of us and we can’t each eat a whole pie.

but we can
if a choice then the key line

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wheat-dogg  Nov 23, 2016 • 7:55:07am

Now I will go to bed, and probably dream of key lime pie.

{Sigh}

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Nov 23, 2016 • 7:55:28am

re: #236 Anymouse

Members of the American Legion frequently refer to it as “The Legion,” as do other veterans organisations like the VFW and DAV. It may be nothing more than that.

That may be true, but we are talk information on traffic. The Montgomery County alerts sent by text all refer to is as the American Legion Bridge. The shortening is not a help to people who aren’t in the know of VFW and DAV lingo.

And, BTW the alert I just received says it is all clear on the bridge, now. But, the beltway being what it is, I would expect the backup to still be clearing up when afternoon rush hour begins and Thanksgiving day traffic continues. Avoid that area at all costs.

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Timothy Watson  Nov 23, 2016 • 7:55:46am

re: #290 The Vicious Babushka

What kind of pie should I make for Thanksgiving? Lemon Meringue or Key Lime?

Please don’t say “both” because there are only two of us and we can’t each eat a whole pie.

Skip the other portions of the meal and eat half a pie each. :)

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lawhawk  Nov 23, 2016 • 7:56:06am

re: #290 The Vicious Babushka

What kind of pie should I make for Thanksgiving? Lemon Meringue or Key Lime?

Please don’t say “both” because there are only two of us and we can’t each eat a whole pie.

I’m a key lime fan. But you could combine the two recipes - into a lemon-lime meringue pie!

Like this one (not tested by the Mrs. so take with grain of salt):
tablespoon.com

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Nov 23, 2016 • 7:56:11am

re: #290 The Vicious Babushka

Please don’t say “both” because there are only two of us and we can’t each eat a whole pie.

Blink, blink. Does not compute.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 23, 2016 • 7:56:58am

re: #290 The Vicious Babushka

What kind of pie should I make for Thanksgiving? Lemon Meringue or Key Lime?

Please don’t say “both” because there are only two of us and we can’t each eat a whole pie.

maybe not at one sitting…

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Lidane  Nov 23, 2016 • 7:58:30am

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Ace-o-aces  Nov 23, 2016 • 7:59:54am

re: #287 HappyWarrior

But hey he said!

Who cares what the empty suit says. This is the Pence administration.

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Anymouse  Nov 23, 2016 • 8:00:17am

re: #290 The Vicious Babushka

What kind of pie should I make for Thanksgiving? Lemon Meringue or Key Lime?

Please don’t say “both” because there are only two of us and we can’t each eat a whole pie.

I’m all in for Key Lime. If they could be mailed, I would pay you to send me one. (My wife is allergic to citrus fruit so she won’t bake any such thing.)

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HappyWarrior  Nov 23, 2016 • 8:00:47am

re: #302 Ace-o-aces

Who cares what the empty suit says. This is the Pence administration.

Sarcasm. Sorry should have done a sarc tag.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 23, 2016 • 8:02:46am

re: #302 Ace-o-aces

Who cares what the empty suit says. This is the Pence administration.

Which is why, for as little enthusiasm as I have for Trump, the alternative is even worse…

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Anymouse  Nov 23, 2016 • 8:02:59am

re: #304 HappyWarrior

Sarcasm. Sorry should have done a sarc tag.

Not sarcasm. Mr. Trump the minority President said already he would prefer to act as a CEO and devolve day-to-day operations of the White House to Mike Pence.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 23, 2016 • 8:03:48am

re: #306 Anymouse

Not sarcasm. Mr. Trump the minority President said already he would prefer to act as a CEO and devolve day-to-day operations of the White House to Mike Pence.

That sounds like the offer he was said to have made to John Kasich.

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Nov 23, 2016 • 8:04:26am

Jim Wright get a 24 hour faceplace ban for criticizing Nazis

I’ve been banned from Facebook.

My account has been suspended supposedly for violation of community standards.

My profile is still active, you can still access the page and comment on posts that haven’t been deleted by Facebook. But I myself am locked out.

The community standard I violated is apparently the one where you’re not allowed to criticize actual, no fooling, Nazis.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 23, 2016 • 8:05:07am

re: #306 Anymouse

Not sarcasm. Mr. Trump the minority President said already he would prefer to act as a CEO and devolve day-to-day operations of the White House to Mike Pence.

No, I meant my remark about how Trump appeared to acknowledge Climate Change.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 23, 2016 • 8:05:24am

re: #308 Colère Tueur de Lapin

Jim Wright get a 24 hour faceplace ban for criticizing NAZIs

FFS. Facebook.

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Ace-o-aces  Nov 23, 2016 • 8:08:05am

re: #306 Anymouse

Not sarcasm. Mr. Trump the minority President said already he would prefer to act as a CEO and devolve day-to-day operations of the White House to Mike Pence.

Trump will concentrate on receiving illegal favors from foreign governments and domestic lobbyists. The graft will be YOOOOGE! At this point we might as well install a deposit box at the entrance to Trump Tower that says “insert bribes here”.

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The Vicious Babushka  Nov 23, 2016 • 8:09:06am
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HappyWarrior  Nov 23, 2016 • 8:11:20am

re: #312 The Vicious Babushka

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Shiplord Kirel  Nov 23, 2016 • 8:13:36am
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Myron Falwell (no relation)  Nov 23, 2016 • 8:13:53am

re: #306 Anymouse

Not sarcasm. Mr. Trump the minority President said already he would prefer to act as a CEO and devolve day-to-day operations of the White House to Mike Pence.

Pence is simply counting down the days until Trump quits by his own volition, then claim “a seamless transition.”

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freetoken  Nov 23, 2016 • 8:14:12am

re: #312 The Vicious Babushka

I guess I don’t find that so convincing, as many wingnuts did appear to think that Obama had in principle picked Wright, Ayers, and Alinsky.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 23, 2016 • 8:14:27am

re: #314 Shiplord Kirel

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Lupin  Nov 23, 2016 • 8:15:10am

re: #133 Anymouse

When I was stationed in Spain in the early Nineties, there were still plenty of people around who supported Franco’s regime (including my landlady).

Oh yes. They’re kind of getting old now, but there were there in the 80s and 90s. I remember an old f*rt in Toledo telling me the weather was better under Franco. No kidding.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 23, 2016 • 8:15:12am

re: #316 freetoken

I guess I don’t find that so convincing, as many wingnuts did appear to think that Obama had in principle picked Wright, Ayers, and Alinsky.

Indeed though, every Obama appoitnee was made out to be a radical America hater. Chuck Hagel was attacked for crying out loud.

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The Vicious Babushka  Nov 23, 2016 • 8:15:18am

re: #317 HappyWarrior

He’s seriously considering Huckabee for Secretary of State? And I thought it couldn’t be worse than Bolton and Giuliani.

Parody account.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 23, 2016 • 8:15:59am

re: #320 The Vicious Babushka

Parody account.

No, I know but I always thought this one had some grains of truth in it.

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Ace-o-aces  Nov 23, 2016 • 8:16:31am
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HappyWarrior  Nov 23, 2016 • 8:17:03am

re: #318 Lupin

Oh yes. They’re kind of getting old now, but there were there in the 80s and 90s. I remember an old f*rt in Toledo telling me the weather was better under Franco. No kidding.

There’s a really good documetnary on the Civil War that’s on YouTube that the BBC did I believe. It has interviews with a lot of people who participated on both sides. Reminds me. I need ot update my short story I’m doing on the Spanish Civil War. Haven’t updated it in a few days since I’ve had some busy work.

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Anymouse  Nov 23, 2016 • 8:17:04am

re: #310 HappyWarrior

FFS. Facebook.

Their automated system for reporting abuse does not allow for appeals (such as YouTube). Mark Zuckerberg could impose an appeal system, but that would involve hiring people to review the appeals. As a libertarian he doesn’t care to hire anyone he doesn’t have to. Moreover, Peter Theil is on Facebook’s board of directors.

Twitter is no different. (That is one of three reasons I have never had a social media account other than places like this.)

Social media platforms are going to go right along with the press in normalising the minority president and his neo-Nazi followers.

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Lupin  Nov 23, 2016 • 8:17:20am

re: #165 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

We have entered into the Great American Idiocracy and the Alternate Media Reality.

I cannot imagine that our mainstream press is going to have the guts to take on Trump; they will find it safer to normalize and rationalize his behavior by superficially attacking his outrageous acts and utterances while ignoring the key issues (incompetence, conflicts of interest, support for and from fascists and extremists).

I couldn’t agree more. Unlike the Bush era which transitioned back to Obama normally, I honestly believe that we’ve undergone an irreversible change — or if reversible, at a cost we can’t estimate yet.

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Dr Lizardo  Nov 23, 2016 • 8:18:03am

re: #321 HappyWarrior

No, I know but I always thought this one had some grains of truth in it.

I did read earlier that Jerry Falwell, Jr was being considered for Secretary of Education.

independent.co.uk

Take it for what it’s worth.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 23, 2016 • 8:18:11am

re: #324 Anymouse

Their automated system for reporting abuse does not allow for appeals (such as YouTube). Mark Zuckerberg could impose an appeal system, but that would involve hiring people to review the appeals. As a libertarian he doesn’t care to hire anyone he doesn’t have to. Moreover, Peter Theil is on Facebook’s board of directors.

Twitter is no different. (That is one of three reasons I have never had a social media account other than places like this.)

Social media platforms are going to go right along with the press in normalising the minority president and his neo-Nazi followers.

I don’t think Zuck is a libertarian. But they really do need work.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 23, 2016 • 8:18:46am

re: #326 Dr Lizardo

I did read earlier that Jerry Falwell, Jr was being considered for Secretary of Education.

independent.co.uk

Take it for what it’s worth.

Yeah I saw that here lats night. That’d be worse than Carson somehow since Falwell actually has experience undermining education in this coutnry.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 23, 2016 • 8:21:42am

re: #308 Colère Tueur de Lapin

Jim Wright get a 24 hour faceplace ban for criticizing Nazis

What was I saying about the Great American Idiocracy and the Age of Alternate Media Reality?

We are in it deeper that you can imagine and nowhere near hitting bottom.

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Joe Bacon  Nov 23, 2016 • 8:21:52am

re: #234 darthstar

I didn’t know Elton John was a fuckin’ Nazi.
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I gave up on Elton when he sang at Rush Limbaugh’s latest wedding…

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HappyWarrior  Nov 23, 2016 • 8:22:33am

re: #330 Joe Bacon

I gave up on Elton when he sang at Ruch Limbaugh’s latest wedding…

I still like Elton but it amazed me that he did that with all the fucked up shit Limbaugh has said about gay people.

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Lupin  Nov 23, 2016 • 8:23:42am

re: #323 HappyWarrior

There’s a really good documetnary on the Civil War that’s on YouTube that the BBC did I believe. It has interviews with a lot of people who participated on both sides. Reminds me. I need ot update my short story I’m doing on the Spanish Civil War. Haven’t updated it in a few days since I’ve had some busy work.

What I never forgot from my visits in the 70s is the atmosphere of fear that permeated even the most casual contacts between natives and foreigners. You quickly realized you were in a dictatorship. I was 16, 17 at the time. Never forgot it.

Yes, things are different now, but the sheer amount of death threats one actually receives on the net for daring attack Kim Jong Trump is (to me) an echo of that. The lady who was suing Drumpf for raping her when she was 13 withdrew her suit (from what i understand) because of death threats and actually being hacked. In a word: fear.

Not too different from Franco’s Spain.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 23, 2016 • 8:23:49am

re: #331 HappyWarrior

I still like Elton but it amazed me that he did that with all the fucked up shit Limbaugh has said about gay people.

I can only assume that his AIDS treatment meds are very expensive…

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Anymouse  Nov 23, 2016 • 8:24:32am

re: #327 HappyWarrior

I don’t think Zuck is a libertarian. But they really do need work.

He is not a Libertarian Party member (at least according to my wife, ex-Libertarian Party member) but his ideas sure are in keeping with the LP.

The only way Twitter and Facebook are going to get it (vis. Jim Wright, &c) is if people en masse give up Twitter and Facebook. (I don’t mean stop posting, I mean close accounts.)

That isn’t going to happen, because the overwhelming majority of their users just don’t give a hoot.

a) I use Facebook to keep in contact with my family and friends.

- I write letters and make phone calls, or visit them in person.

b) I use Facebook to follow the news.

- I have newspaper and magazine subscriptions (real ones, not on-line)

c) I use Facebook to meet like-minded people with my interests.

- There are many other ways to do that.

&c

Until such time as their users say “this far and no farther,” they don’t care. They will only understand their pocketbooks being hit.

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Nov 23, 2016 • 8:26:16am

re: #329 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

As many have noted, the normalizing of fascist tendencies is happening. It is happening very quickly. And, for Anymouse (and everyone else) a grammar tutorial to help you keep the language proper.

Note: I may have actually gotten the original from here, can’t recall.

Oxford Comma
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HappyWarrior  Nov 23, 2016 • 8:26:41am

re: #332 Lupin

What I never forgot from my visits in the 70s is the atmosphere of fear that permeated even the most casual contacts between natives and foreigners. You quickly realized you were in a dictatorship. I was 16, 17 at the time. Never forgot it.

Yes, things are different now, but the sheer amount of death threats one actually receives on the net for daring attack Kim Jong Trump is (to me) an echo of that. The lady who was suing Drumpf for raping her when she was 13 withdrew her suit (from what i understand) because of death threats and actually being hacked. In a word: fear.

Not too different from Franco’s Spain.

Yeah the rise of death threats disturbs me. Honestly, the rise of Trump reminds me more of the Spanish Civil War than Nazi Germany. It’s just a disturbign new world. I’ve never been in a country that was a dictatorship before so I have no idea what that’s like but I imagine as you got it, it’s something you feel immediately.

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Ace-o-aces  Nov 23, 2016 • 8:26:46am
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HappyWarrior  Nov 23, 2016 • 8:27:49am

re: #334 Anymouse

He is not a Libertarian Party member (at least according to my wife, ex-Libertarian Party member) but his ideas sure are in keeping with the LP.

The only way Twitter and Facebook are going to get it (vis. Jim Wright, &c) is if people en masse give up Twitter and Facebook. (I don’t mean stop posting, I mean close accounts.)

That isn’t going to happen, because the overwhelming majority of their users just don’t give a hoot.

a) I use Facebook to keep in contact with my family and friends.

- I write letters and make phone calls, or visit them in person.

b) I use Facebook to follow the news.

- I have newspaper and magazine subscriptions (real ones, not on-line)

c) I use Facebook to meet like-minded people with my interests.

- There are many other ways to do that.

&c

Until such time as their users say “this far and no farther,” they don’t care. They will only understand their pocketbooks being hit.

Well speaking for myself, the reason why I keep my Facebook is to stay in touch with a lot of people in a way I would otherwies not be able to. Didn’t know that about Zuckerberg though.

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Sir John Barron  Nov 23, 2016 • 8:27:49am

Nikki Haley for UN Ambassador? Why would she want that job?

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Joe Bacon  Nov 23, 2016 • 8:28:04am

re: #290 The Vicious Babushka

What kind of pie should I make for Thanksgiving? Lemon Meringue or Key Lime?

Please don’t say “both” because there are only two of us and we can’t each eat a whole pie.

There is a nice little coffee shop in my area that does a “7-Up Pie”—a mixture of Key Limes and Meyer Lemons in a graham cracker crust!

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Nov 23, 2016 • 8:28:39am

re: #335 Colère Tueur de Lapin

Note, my comment was for Anymouse because he might find it amusing, not that his grammar needs fixing

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b.d.  Nov 23, 2016 • 8:28:50am

re: #339 Sir John Barron

Nikki Haley for UN Ambassador? Why would she want that job?

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The Vicious Babushka  Nov 23, 2016 • 8:29:02am

re: #337 Ace-o-aces

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HappyWarrior  Nov 23, 2016 • 8:29:46am

re: #337 Ace-o-aces

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i’m honestly tired of whining about political correctness. Does some of it go too far? Sure but the oppostie is true too and assholes like Shapiro never consider that.

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Lupin  Nov 23, 2016 • 8:30:07am

re: #306 Anymouse

Not sarcasm. Mr. Trump the minority President said already he would prefer to act as a CEO and devolve day-to-day operations of the White House to Mike Pence.

The Republicans will not overthrow Trump because they think he is a useful idiot. But Trump is cunning and will outsmart them. Plis he has the mob behind him. Once enough crimes have been committed, they won’t be able to face the consequences of relinquishing power. At that point we’ll end up with Trump Jr as new president. Or Gotterdammerung.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 23, 2016 • 8:30:10am

re: #343 The Vicious Babushka

Baby Whiplash has learned nothing from being “The #1 Target of Anti-Semitic Memes on Twitter”

He doesn’t learn anything because he’s an useless idiot.

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Dr Lizardo  Nov 23, 2016 • 8:30:17am

re: #335 Colère Tueur de Lapin

As many have noted, the normalizing of fascist tendencies is happening. It is happening very quickly. And, for Anymouse (and everyone else) a grammar tutorial to help you keep the language proper.

Note: I may have actually gotten the original from here, can’t recall.

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So, does that mean we can now normalize Bolshevik rhetoric? I wonder if the wingnuts would need fainting couches, pearls to clutch and smelling salts if someone posted a modified version of Lenin’s ‘Hanging Order’.

“Comrades! The insurrection of five kulak districts should be pitilessly suppressed. The interests of the whole revolution require this because ‘the last decisive battle’ with the kulaks is now under way everywhere. An example must be demonstrated.

Hang (and make sure that the hanging takes place in full view of the people) no fewer than one hundred known landlords, rich men, bloodsuckers.
1) Publish their names.
2) Seize all their grain from them.
3) Designate hostages in accordance with yesterday’s telegram.

Do it in such a fashion that for hundreds of kilometres around the people might see, tremble, know, shout: “they are strangling, and will strangle to death, the bloodsucking kulaks”.

Telegraph receipt and implementation.

Yours, Lenin.

Find some truly hard people”

I think the wingnuts would blow a gasket. Or shit themselves. Maybe both.

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Sir John Barron  Nov 23, 2016 • 8:31:00am

Apropos of nothing, but I drive into my humble park-n-ride and guess whose campaign signs are still up, two weeks after November frcking 8th? Dr. Jill Stein’s. I guess the Green Party can’t be bothered with such basics of standard political party operations, such as gathering up your crappy signs from public places after the election. I guess they’re already in hibernation until 2020 when they’ll emerge to tell us again what sell-outs the Democratic Party is and why not vote Green?

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makeitstop  Nov 23, 2016 • 8:31:13am

re: #308 Colère Tueur de Lapin

Jim Wright get a 24 hour faceplace ban for criticizing Nazis

Wow. Maybe I should go and see if I got suspended. I pretty much went off on the whole alt-right/Nazi thing yesterday.

OTOH, it’s Facebook and I’ve got work to get out the door today, so maybe fuck it.

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Targetpractice  Nov 23, 2016 • 8:31:16am

re: #344 HappyWarrior

i’m honestly tired of whining about political correctness. Does some of it go too far? Sure but the oppostie is true too and assholes like Shapiro never consider that.

Those who whine the hardest about “political correctness” tend to be the assholes of society who are angry that they can’t speak their minds without consequence.

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jeffreyw  Nov 23, 2016 • 8:32:12am

re: #227 darthstar

Mmm… I live about as far from an ocean as you can get, crabs are exotic fare that cost an arm and a leg, if you can get them. Pretty!

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HappyWarrior  Nov 23, 2016 • 8:33:59am

re: #350 Targetpractice

Those who whine the hardest about “political correctness” tend to be the assholes of society who are angry that they can’t speak their minds without consequence.

Exactly. Honestly, I’ve been on a college campus in the Obama presidency. It’s not nearly what people say it is. Are there some college students that are a little zealous? Certainly but you know what, the fact that we have a man like Bannon advising the President bothers me a bit more than some college students. But maybe that’s just me! Honestly, so many of the “anti-PC” people are awfully PC when it comes to things they want i.e. the Starbucks cups or Christianity or their ideology being lampooned. What so much of these people decry as PC run amok is simply being a good person and considerate of other people.

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Lupin  Nov 23, 2016 • 8:34:18am

re: #336 HappyWarrior

Yeah the rise of death threats disturbs me. Honestly, the rise of Trump reminds me more of the Spanish Civil War than Nazi Germany. It’s just a disturbign new world. I’ve never been in a country that was a dictatorship before so I have no idea what that’s like but I imagine as you got it, it’s something you feel immediately.

When I was at the Sorbonne (late 70s now), my Spanish-language TA was a young academic who had managed to escape from Pinochet’s Chile. He was totally convinced that, had he remained a few more months, he would have been disappeared too. He told us stories. Contrary to popular belief, they don’t knock…

This golden age is over, and I don’t envy the younger generation. I can but pray I’m an old fart and totally wrong on this.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 23, 2016 • 8:35:32am

re: #353 Lupin

When I was at the Sorbonne (late 70s now), my Spanish-language TA was a young academic who had managed to escape from Pinochet’s Chile. He was totally convinced that, had he remained a few more months, he would have been disappeared too. He told us stories. Contrary to popular belief, they don’t knock…

This golden age is over, and I don’t envy the younger generation. I can but pray I’m an old fart and totally wrong on this.

I learned about the Dirty WAr in neighboring Argentina. Terrible stuf really.

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Sir John Barron  Nov 23, 2016 • 8:36:29am

And how much does Big Orange hate Dr. Real Ben Carson to want to stick him at the Department of Housing and Urban Development (HUD)? That’s like banishing someone to Siberia.

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Anymouse  Nov 23, 2016 • 8:37:08am

re: #338 HappyWarrior

Well speaking for myself, the reason why I keep my Facebook is to stay in touch with a lot of people in a way I would otherwies not be able to. Didn’t know that about Zuckerberg though.

- I write letters. The ones that use paper and stamps. I make phone calls. I visit in person (where I can).

That goes back to my original argument, people do not care enough to send Zuck a message in sufficient numbers (close accounts) to make a difference.

I realise Facebook is “more convenient.” A letter might take three or four days to get to someone.

It really comes down to convenience, even though Facebook collects every last little privacy thing it can about you (another reason I don’t use it). It is more convenient to have Facebook’s newsfeed foist off a bunch of nonsense than actually read magazines or newspapers. It is more convenient to write a message for twenty people to read than send twenty postcards.

Maybe it’s just me. I grew up without Facebook, Twitter, or even dial telephone service. No television in the house (there were only three stations we could have gotten anyway).

While technology hasn’t passed me by (I understand how Facebook works, I just refuse to participate in being a marketing target), I stick to old-fashioned personal methods of communication.

(I’ll be mailing out holiday cards right after Thanksgiving, including everyone in my village. Gives the Post Office business - after my wife and I fought so long to prevent its closure, we make sure we use it.)

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 23, 2016 • 8:38:08am

re: #352 HappyWarrior

What so much of these people decry as PC run amok is simply being a good person and considerate of other people.

And selecting a few really spoiled and sensitive college kids and holding their arguments up as the very paragon of “liberal” thought.

That is like taking people like Duke or Spencer and holding them up as examples of mainstream conserv…

…ah forget it.

We are fucked and things will have to get worse before they can even start to get any better.

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Anymouse  Nov 23, 2016 • 8:38:29am

re: #342 b.d.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 23, 2016 • 8:40:14am

re: #338 HappyWarrior

Well speaking for myself, the reason why I keep my Facebook is to stay in touch with a lot of people in a way I would otherwies not be able to. Didn’t know that about Zuckerberg though.

Jeez, FB is for finding out what your friends and family are up to, not what your country or the rest of the world are up to.

I ignore or outright block people who get too political.

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Franklin  Nov 23, 2016 • 8:40:28am

re: #301 Lidane

We are so, so fucked:

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Donald Trump is poised to eliminate all climate change research conducted by Nasa as part of a crackdown on “politicized science”, his senior adviser on issues relating to the space agency has said.

Nasa’s Earth science division is set to be stripped of funding in favor of exploration of deep space, with the president-elect having set a goal during the campaign to explore the entire solar system by the end of the century.

This is real life going to be the prequel to Interstellar.

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The Vicious Babushka  Nov 23, 2016 • 8:41:26am

re: #360 Franklin

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This is real life going to be the prequel to Interstellar Wall-E.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 23, 2016 • 8:41:43am

re: #360 Franklin

This is real life going to be the prequel to Interstellar.

Just watched that last nite.

And I would not be surprised to see that scenario play out in my lifetime or that of my kids/granndkids

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 23, 2016 • 8:42:47am

re: #361 The Vicious Babushka

This is real life going to be the prequel to Interstellar Wall-E Don-J.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 23, 2016 • 8:42:55am

re: #356 Anymouse

- I write letters. The ones that use paper and stamps. I make phone calls. I visit in person (where I can).

That goes back to my original argument, people do not care enough to send Zuck a message in sufficient numbers (close accounts) to make a difference.

I realise Facebook is “more convenient.” A letter might take three or four days to get to someone.

It really comes down to convenience, even though Facebook collects every last little privacy thing it can about you (another reason I don’t use it). It is more convenient to have Facebook’s newsfeed foist off a bunch of nonsense than actually read magazines or newspapers. It is more convenient to write a message for twenty people to read than send twenty postcards.

Maybe it’s just me. I grew up without Facebook, Twitter, or even dial telephone service. No television in the house (there were only three stations we could have gotten anyway).

While technology hasn’t passed me by (I understand how Facebook works, I just refuse to participate in being a marketing target), I stick to old-fashioned personal methods of communication.

(I’ll be mailing out holiday cards right after Thanksgiving, including everyone in my village. Gives the Post Office business - after my wife and I fought so long to prevent its closure, we make sure we use it.)

I have some family that live overseas. It’s really not mere convenience, it’s necessity.

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electrotek  Nov 23, 2016 • 8:43:10am

Take a load of this bullshit someone wrote on a friend’s FB:

It is amazing how some feel it is their duty to condemn a duly elected President elect and Vice President based upon what they project they might (or might not) do.

It is this same perspective that caused them to INCORRECTLY anticipate the outcome of the election. And sadly, they cannot see that this is a continuation of that same failed mental process.

The left cannot accept the fact that most people in the Heartland of America don’t share the values of the people living on the East Coast or the West Coast. And there are many more people who live outside of the top 10 cities than who reside in them.

I did not vote for Trump. But as president, I will give the man in the office the respect to which he is entitled. And the benefit of the doubt that he may well do good in that role.

I am loyal to the Constitution and the system of governance it prescribes. That is the definition of a loyal American.

We are a republic, not a democracy. And if popular vote is something you want, then you can either:
(a) Change the Constitution
(b) Bitch about it pointlessly and become “that” personality (it’s like drinking poison and hoping someone else dies)
(c) Move to another country (which many people promised, but no one has had the guts to do)
(d) Learn why the Constitution was constructed as such, or
(e) Shut the fuck up.

Those are the options.

*scratches my head here

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HappyWarrior  Nov 23, 2016 • 8:43:28am

re: #358 Anymouse

Deport Nikki Haley? She was born in South Carolina. Oh, that’s right, like Rep. Steve King, Ann Coulter wants a US version of the 1935 Nuremberg Laws.

Which would make her own president elect illegible but no one said Coulter thinks her Nazi bullshit out.

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Targetpractice  Nov 23, 2016 • 8:43:45am

re: #360 Franklin

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This is real life going to be the prequel to Interstellar.

The administration says it will oppose “politicized science,” instead wishing to embrace “corporate science” where companies can pay for scientists to issue whatever findings they wish. Next up, a scientific study showing plants grow better when watered with sports drinks.

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Dr. Matt  Nov 23, 2016 • 8:43:58am

Hillary’s lead now exceeds 2 million. I never buy into conspiracy theories, but I’m starting to have a tough time accepting these results as just some odd unprecedented event.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 23, 2016 • 8:44:10am

re: #364 HappyWarrior

I have some family that live overseas. It’s really not mere convenience, it’s necessity.

and I post nothing on FB unless I am comfortable with possibility of the entire world finding out about it.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 23, 2016 • 8:44:20am

re: #359 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Jeez, FB is for finding out what your friends and family are up to, not what your country or the rest of the world are up to.

I ignore or outright block people who get too political.

That’s exactly what I use it for. I haven’t made a political post on my timeline in a long time.

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Targetpractice  Nov 23, 2016 • 8:45:05am

re: #365 electrotek

Take a load of this bullshit someone wrote on a friend’s FB:

*scratches my head here

“He’s not the guy I voted for, but I’m gonna bust my ass to defend him” is really not a great branch to perch oneself on.

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Lupin  Nov 23, 2016 • 8:45:08am

American neo-nazis connected to British Brexit terrorist.

Link to Huffpost UK

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HappyWarrior  Nov 23, 2016 • 8:45:27am

re: #372 Lupin

American neo-nazis connected to British Brexit terrorist.

Link to Huffpost UK

Shocker.

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Belafon  Nov 23, 2016 • 8:45:59am

re: #365 electrotek

It is amazing how some feel it is their duty to condemn a duly elected President elect and Vice President based upon what they project they might (or might not) do.

So, we should either take them at their word or not take them at their word?

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Targetpractice  Nov 23, 2016 • 8:46:09am

re: #368 Dr. Matt

Hillary’s lead now exceeds 2 million. I never buy into conspiracy theories, but I’m starting to have a tough time accepting these results as just some odd unprecedented event.

When the same happened in 2000, Gore’s lead was narrow enough that we could buy that he’d just had shitty luck.

But 2 million and growing? Something smells rotten in the state of Denmark.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 23, 2016 • 8:46:26am

What bothers me is he’s spent more time complaining about the Hamilton actors (Pence wasn’t even offended) or SNL poking fun (it’s what they do to every president regardless of party), I certainly don’t think every Trump supporter/voter is a bigot but Trump is someone these people like and he needs to condemn them in the loudest possible way and honestly I think he gave legitimacy to them when he brought Bannon on board his administration

I did post this in regards to a friend posting about how Trump needs to do more to condemn the alt-right. I rarely comment on political matters on fB but I felt it neededto be said.

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Targetpractice  Nov 23, 2016 • 8:47:21am

re: #374 Belafon

So, we should either take them at their word or not take them at their word?

For a year: “Trump says what he means! He stands by what he says!”

Now: “You can’t take anything that Trump says at face value. All those promises he made during the campaign won’t come true. Wait and see!”

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HappyWarrior  Nov 23, 2016 • 8:47:54am

re: #375 Targetpractice

When the same happened in 2000, Gore’s lead was narrow enough that we could buy that he’d just had shitty luck.

But 2 million and growing? Something smells rotten in the state of Denmark.

It’s the biggest margin a popular vote but electoral loser has lost by since Samuel Tilden and Tilden actually did have the election stolen from him. It’s fucked up big time. Really bothers me those 50,000 voters in Michigan, Wisconsin, and PA will somehow mitigate that 2 million plus lead she has nationally.

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Dr. Matt  Nov 23, 2016 • 8:49:39am

re: #378 HappyWarrior

It’s the biggest margin a popular vote but electoral loser has lost by since Samuel Tilden and Tilden actually did have the election stolen from him. It’s fucked up big time. Really bothers me those 50,000 voters in Michigan, Wisconsin, and PA will somehow mitigate that 2 million plus lead she has nationally.

And her lead is greater than 25 previous presidential winners.

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electrotek  Nov 23, 2016 • 8:50:42am

re: #374 Belafon

So, we should either take them at their word or not take them at their word?

They want to have their cake and eat it.

He’s the same guy that had no problem bitching about Obama for the past 8 years.

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Dr. Matt  Nov 23, 2016 • 8:52:20am

Instagram

Don’t be THAT guy. #DMA

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Anymouse  Nov 23, 2016 • 8:52:38am

re: #364 HappyWarrior

I have some family that live overseas. It’s really not mere convenience, it’s necessity.

I was an exchange student to Brazil in the Seventies. I have friends in Spain from my time there in the Nineties. I also have friends in Canada, Switzerland, Germany, and Poland.

The Post Office will accept letters to those places. The telephone company will let me call them.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 23, 2016 • 8:58:22am

re: #382 Anymouse

I was an exchange student to Brazil in the Seventies. I have friends in Spain from my time there in the Nineties. I also have friends in Canada, Switzerland, Germany, and Poland.

The Post Office will accept letters to those places. The telephone company will let me call them.

I know. I admit it’s part of because I’ve grown up with this technology that makes me loathe to stop using it. Plus I use it for communicating my finds in my genealogical research as well. It’s very hard to do that than just mail, person, and letters.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 23, 2016 • 8:59:02am

New paragraphs from my short story set in the Spanish Civil War.
Juan Miguel starred at Pedro intently. The eyes of the boy that had once been his best friend now were the eyes of a fascist enemy. An odd silence quickly ensued. Finally one of the other Nationalist soldiers broke the long silence,
“Iglesias, you know this man?”
Pedro nodded and explained that long before the Republic was founded, the two had been friends as boys. Pedro wanted to know what made Juan Miguel embrace socialism and Juan Miguel likewise wanted to know what made his friend turn to Fascism. Juan Miguel’s thoughts flashed back to his childhood. In those days, there were no republicans or fascists; everyone was a subject of the king. Even though both men’s political views were far apart now, they both could look at that time period as a simple and idyllic time. After the Republic was declared, Juan Miguel, always bookish had taken to reading about Republics around the world. He had read about the American one and it did bring him some pride as a Spainard knowing that the Spanish had helped the Americans achieve victory in their war for independence even though his uncle had fought the Americans in the Spanish-American war. But it was the French Revolution that captured his imagination the most. The principles of “Liberté, égalité, fraternité” resonated with him. He had decided he would go to university and not become a soldier as his father had but a lawyer and champion the rights of all. He chose to go university in the great city of Barcelona.

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Anymouse  Nov 23, 2016 • 9:01:21am

re: #364 HappyWarrior

I have some family that live overseas. It’s really not mere convenience, it’s necessity.

I’m not trying to say here “don’t use Facebook.” If you want to use it, that’s your prerogative.

I’m just pointing out all those that say “Facebook sucks” and then rationalise why they continue to use it as something other than convenience.

There isn’t anything wrong with convenience. But using Facebook or Twitter because it is convenient means you accept the bad with the good. You can work to change the culture at those corporations, but the only thing they understand is money. Look how long Twitter went (years) before they even paid lip service to harassment.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 23, 2016 • 9:02:29am

re: #385 Anymouse

I’m not trying to say here “don’t use Facebook.” If you want to use it, that’s your prerogative.

I’m just pointing out all those that say “Facebook sucks” and then rationalise why they continue to use it as something other than convenience.

There isn’t anything wrong with convenience. But using Facebook or Twitter because it is convenient means you accept the bad with the good. You can work to change the culture at those corporations, but the only thing they understand is money. Look how long Twitter went (years) before they even paid lip service to harassment.

Oh, I don’t think FB sucks. I think it sucks when people use it as their personal political platform and get pissy when you call them out on it.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 23, 2016 • 9:03:15am

re: #386 HappyWarrior

Oh, I don’t think FB sucks. I think it sucks when people use it as their personal political platform and get pissy when you call them out on it.

And I think it is stupid when people use it as a source of news other than about your friends and family.

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Anymouse  Nov 23, 2016 • 9:03:56am

re: #383 HappyWarrior

I know. I admit it’s part of because I’ve grown up with this technology that makes me loathe to stop using it. Plus I use it for communicating my finds in my genealogical research as well. It’s very hard to do that than just mail, person, and letters.

Well, lemme stop busting on you; you don’t need that from me.

I would note that if by some incredible coincidence you found me in your genealogical research as your long-lost identical cousin or something, you could not communicate with me that way. (You could find my mail address in a search engine and send me a letter though.)

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makeitstop  Nov 23, 2016 • 9:05:53am

Just checked Facebook, not suspended. Shut it down again, back to work.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 23, 2016 • 9:06:46am

re: #388 Anymouse

Well, lemme stop busting on you; you don’t need that from me.

I would note that if by some incredible coincidence you found me in your genealogical research as your long-lost identical cousin or something, you could not communicate with me that way. (You could find my mail address in a search engine and send me a letter though.)

Oh I know, it’s more for talking with my immediate family who don’t have the time. Would be cool if we were related. You know where in Poland your fam’s from? It’s a possibility. You can literally walk from Poland in my great grandfather’s home town in Slovakia.

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(alpuz)  Nov 23, 2016 • 9:08:31am

I loathe Facebook. I was on for about 24 hours and bailed. They still send me emails about ‘people i might know’ or something. My better half is on it and is constantly upset w/ her friends and family for posting fake political outrage bullshit.

Sorry, i get why people do it, but no way in hell I’m ever going into that dark, dark place again. :)

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allegro  Nov 23, 2016 • 9:09:11am

I’m sitting here on my bed drinking goooood coffee and snapping green beans while enjoying y’all’s company. Got guests starting to arrive this evening and more coming over tomorrow for an orphan party Thanksgiving feast. Since my little oven is too small to fit even a whole chicken I decided to take a different approach to the traditional feast: smoked turkey. (I’ve never smoked a turkey so hilarity is very likely to ensue.)

Menu:
Smoked turkey
Homemade BBQ sauce
Scalloped potatoes
Fresh green beans
Crock pot sweet taters with pecans
Homemade cranberry sauce with fresh ginger and Amaretto
Jalapeno cornbread muffins
Pecan and Dutch apple pies

What are y’all fixin?

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 23, 2016 • 9:09:21am

re: #390 HappyWarrior

Oh I know, it’s more for talking with my immediate family who don’t have the time. Would be cool if we were related. You know where in Poland your fam’s from? It’s a possibility. You can literally walk from Poland in my great grandfather’s home town in Slovakia.

My Grandad is from Davidov, Slovakia, also right up in your ancestral Neck of the Woods

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HappyWarrior  Nov 23, 2016 • 9:09:49am

re: #391 (alpuz)

I loathe Facebook. I was on for about 24 hours and bailed. They still send me emails about ‘people i might know’ or something. My better half is on it and is constantly upset w/ her friends and family for posting fake political outrage bullshit.

Sorry, i get why people do it, but no way in hell I’m ever going into that dark, dark place again. :)

I think it’s easier for people to not do it if they can’t imagine not being on it. I got on FB in 2005 back when it was college kids only. I blame the old farts for turning it into their political soap boxes heh.

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Belafon  Nov 23, 2016 • 9:10:32am

re: #387 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

And I think it is stupid when people use it as a source of news other than about your friends and family.

Most people don’t question what they read, they just assume it’s true. We’re much more in tune with the idea that there are stories that are lies, and we even get fooled. Imagine someone not paying attention.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 23, 2016 • 9:11:15am

re: #393 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

My Grandad is from Davidov, Slovakia, also right up in your ancestral Neck of the Woods

Image: File:Okres_vranov.png
Not too far. Grandma’s parents were from Stara Lubovna.

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(alpuz)  Nov 23, 2016 • 9:11:16am

re: #394 HappyWarrior

Yeah. I can appreciate that.

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Belafon  Nov 23, 2016 • 9:11:34am

re: #391 (alpuz)

I loathe Facebook. I was on for about 24 hours and bailed. They still send me emails about ‘people i might know’ or something. My better half is on it and is constantly upset w/ her friends and family for posting fake political outrage bullshit.

Sorry, i get why people do it, but no way in hell I’m ever going into that dark, dark place again. :)

The flip side is, the only way these people are going to be corrected is if those of us who can find out the truth respond. It’s very much like correcting your friend in public.

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lawhawk  Nov 23, 2016 • 9:12:09am

re: #392 allegro

I’m going to family, so it’s whatever they’re prepping.

This has me curious:

Homemade cranberry sauce with fresh ginger and Amaretto

I love cranberry sauce, and this sounds awesome.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 23, 2016 • 9:12:28am

re: #398 Belafon

The flip side is, the only way these people are going to be corrected is if those of us who can find out the truth respond. It’s very much like correcting your friend in public.

I really would prefer to correct in person. I think it has more of an effect.

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(alpuz)  Nov 23, 2016 • 9:12:32am

re: #398 Belafon

I’ll stick to public.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 23, 2016 • 9:13:14am

re: #392 allegro

What are y’all fixin?

We have to wait for the weekend here in Deutschland, but we will be doing the standard turkey and stuffing with potatoes and gravy, cranberry sauce and roasted Brussels sprouts on Saturday…keeping it simple.

My expat girlfriend and I have invited one American, One Taiwanese, an Australian, an Italian and a token German.

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Anymouse  Nov 23, 2016 • 9:14:56am

re: #390 HappyWarrior

Oh I know, it’s more for talking with my immediate family who don’t have the time. Would be cool if we were related. You know where in Poland your fam’s from? It’s a possibility. You can literally walk from Poland in my great grandfather’s home town in Slovakia.

They are from Danzig Free State (now Gdansk). Most of my family left right before Germany invaded Danzig, the rest scattered to the south.

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Dr. Matt  Nov 23, 2016 • 9:15:59am

re: #392 allegro

What are y’all fixin?

I’m not cooking for the first time in over a decade! GF and I made reservations at our favorite steakhouse that has special Thanksgiving menu. No mess! No leftovers to throw away!

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HappyWarrior  Nov 23, 2016 • 9:16:08am

re: #392 allegro

I’m sitting here on my bed drinking goooood coffee and snapping green beans while enjoying y’all’s company. Got guests starting to arrive this evening and more coming over tomorrow for an orphan party Thanksgiving feast. Since my little oven is too small to fit even a whole chicken I decided to take a different approach to the traditional feast: smoked turkey. (I’ve never smoked a turkey so hilarity is very likely to ensue.)

Menu:
Smoked turkey
Homemade BBQ sauce
Scalloped potatoes
Fresh green beans
Crock pot sweet taters with pecans
Homemade cranberry sauce with fresh ginger and Amaretto
Jalapeno cornbread muffins
Pecan and Dutch apple pies

What are y’all fixin?

Our usual is:
Turkey
Mashed potatoes
Stuffing
Cranberry Sauce
Sweet Potatoes
Green bean casserole
Rolls
Sparkling cider
Pumpkin Pie and this year Pecan instead of Apple Pie.
Can’t wait. It’s the best meal of the year. With the leftovers, I like to use stuffing, turkey, and cranberry sauce on a sandwich.

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Stanley Sea  Nov 23, 2016 • 9:17:10am

re: #392 allegro

Sounds delish.

I’m going to friends. My contribution is cream of mushroom soup, going to make tonight.

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Belafon  Nov 23, 2016 • 9:17:12am

re: #400 HappyWarrior

I really would prefer to correct in person. I think it has more of an effect.

A few years ago, my cousin kept putting stuff up on facebook, a cousin I do not interact with in public because she’s too far away. I would rebut it time and time again with a link from Snopes. She either stopped because she figured out the source was doing a lousy job or she got tired of being proven wrong. In either case, it turned off a source of bad information.

In public would be best, but there are also a who lot of other people that will see that bad information that you can keep from being misinformed.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 23, 2016 • 9:17:14am

re: #403 Anymouse

They are from Danzig Free State (now Gdansk). Most of my family left right before Germany invaded Danzig, the rest scattered to the south.

Yeah Gdansk is far away from where we are. Very much in the Carpathians on my Mom’s Mom’s side.

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Anymouse  Nov 23, 2016 • 9:17:18am

re: #399 lawhawk

I’m going to family, so it’s whatever they’re prepping.

This has me curious:

I love cranberry sauce, and this sounds awesome.

My wife has been making cranberry sauce every day for three days (with cashew nuts). We keep eating it all, so she makes it again. We’re going to turn into cranberries.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 23, 2016 • 9:18:04am

re: #407 Belafon

A few years ago, my cousin kept putting stuff up on facebook, a cousin I do not interact with in public because she’s too far away. I would rebut it time and time again with a link from Snopes. She either stopped because she figured out the source was doing a lousy job or she got tired of being proven wrong. In either case, it turned off a source of bad information.

In public would be best, but there are also a who lot of other people that will see that bad information that you can keep from being misinformed.

Well your cousin seemed to see the light. My one wingnut friend hasn’t changed even though my brother calls him out on his shit and his friends have posted Snopes (he doesn’t trust Snopes).

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electrotek  Nov 23, 2016 • 9:18:56am

I miss the days when Facebook was ‘thefacebook’ and only exclusive to college students.

Those were the days :(

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The Vicious Babushka  Nov 23, 2016 • 9:19:28am

re: #410 HappyWarrior

Well your cousin seemed to see the light. My one wingnut friend hasn’t changed even though my brother calls him out on his shit and his friends have posted Snopes (he doesn’t trust Snopes).

HURR HURR SNOAPS IS TEH SOREOUS!!!!!!!

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(alpuz)  Nov 23, 2016 • 9:20:10am

re: #405 HappyWarrior

“Can’t wait. It’s the best meal of the year. With the leftovers, I like to use stuffing, turkey, and cranberry sauce on a sandwich.”

Oh, yeah. Where’s jeffryw with a pic?!?

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allegro  Nov 23, 2016 • 9:20:11am

re: #399 lawhawk

I’m going to family, so it’s whatever they’re prepping.

This has me curious:

I love cranberry sauce, and this sounds awesome.

It is. It’s a recipe I found years ago that has become a staple. I’ll put the recipe in a hidey box so it can be viewed or not.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 23, 2016 • 9:20:57am

re: #411 electrotek

I miss the days when Facebook was ‘thefacebook’ and only exclusive to college students.

Those were the days :(

I am glad it’s more universal now but at the same time, I hate the politics 24/7 aspect many do. That said, it’s great seeing my cousins who I don’t get to see that often. It’s also a great platform for promoting business. My one cousin in the UK knits clothes and I even got a skirt from her for my niece.

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Anymouse  Nov 23, 2016 • 9:21:02am

re: #410 HappyWarrior

Well your cousin seemed to see the light. My one wingnut friend hasn’t changed even though my brother calls him out on his shit and his friends have posted Snopes (he doesn’t trust Snopes).

Snopes is liberal bias! It doesn’t confirm what I read on my wingnut Facebook feed!

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HappyWarrior  Nov 23, 2016 • 9:22:02am

re: #412 The Vicious Babushka

HURR HURR SNOAPS IS TEH SOREOUS!!!!!!!

He’s so frustrating. He insists he doesn’t like Trump and i do believe him but he’s also one of these idiots like Baby Whiplash (who shocker he likes) that believes Trump is actually a leftist. I stopped following him and man am I glad I did because he’s probably bitching up a storm about Hamilton. He already was about people protesting after Trump won.

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Belafon  Nov 23, 2016 • 9:22:02am

Nelson Cunningham, writing for the Washington Post, is suggesting that Biden become the head of the DNC (he used to work for Biden):

Son of Scranton, Pa., former internationalist chair of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, champion of civil rights and women’s rights, friend of cops and of Black Lives Matter protesters, supporter of the working man who commands the respect of chief executives, wildly popular vice president who was encouraged to run for president himself this time around — Biden should be our immediate and consensus choice.

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allegro  Nov 23, 2016 • 9:22:18am

re: #404 Dr. Matt

I’m not cooking for the first time in over a decade! GF and I made reservations at our favorite steakhouse that has special Thanksgiving menu. No mess! No leftovers to throw away!

But leftovers are the best part! I’m planning toasted smoked turkey and pepper jack cheese sandwiches with Broccoli Cheese soup for the weekend. Nom.

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Anymouse  Nov 23, 2016 • 9:22:52am

re: #411 electrotek

I miss the days when Facebook was ‘thefacebook’ and only exclusive to college students.

Those were the days :(

Maybe that’s why I never heard of it until it went national, since I never attended college.

I did run a BBS in the Eighties though (from a Commodore 64, geez I am old)

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HappyWarrior  Nov 23, 2016 • 9:22:57am

re: #418 Belafon

Nelson Cunningham, writing for the Washington Post, is suggesting that Biden become the head of the DNC (he used to work for Biden):

He’s not a bad choice honestly.

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Belafon  Nov 23, 2016 • 9:23:44am

re: #420 Anymouse

Maybe that’s why I never heard of it until it went national, since I never attended college.

I did run a BBS in the Eighties though (from a Commodore 64, geez I am old)

Most of us finished college long before Facebook. I only joined so that I could stay in contact with my family while on trips.

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Myron Falwell (no relation)  Nov 23, 2016 • 9:23:50am

I’m very happy that my alma mater, Cleveland State University, wised up and cancelled Milo’s tour stop hate gathering next month.

And the butthurt is so delicious.

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Barefoot Grin  Nov 23, 2016 • 9:24:23am

re: #402 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

We have to wait for the weekend here in Deutschland, but we will be doing the standard turkey and stuffing with potatoes and gravy, cranberry sauce and roasted Brussels sprouts on Saturday…keeping it simple.

My expat girlfriend and I have invited one American, One Taiwanese, an Australian, an Italian and a token German.

Tokin’ German would be a hoot.

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Belafon  Nov 23, 2016 • 9:24:38am

re: #421 HappyWarrior

He’s not a bad choice honestly.

If you wanted a face that says “working man” he would be it.

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Anymouse  Nov 23, 2016 • 9:25:41am

re: #423 Myron Falwell (no relation)

Couldn’t billionaire thousandaire Donald Trump hire security for Mr. Yiannopolis?

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 23, 2016 • 9:26:00am

re: #403 Anymouse

They are from Danzig Free State (now Gdansk). Most of my family left right before Germany invaded Danzig, the rest scattered to the south.

Paternal Grandmother was from Bohemia, left at the turn of the last century. Mom’s family from Croatia, although I guess my great-grandma was Hungarian.

My favorite soccer joke:

“Grandpa, come down, the soccer match just started!”

“Who’s playing?”

“Austria-Hungary”

“Against whom?”

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HappyWarrior  Nov 23, 2016 • 9:26:18am

re: #425 Belafon

If you wanted a face that says “working man” he would be it.

Yeah, I just don’t know if he wants it. He just turned 73 and I think would like to retire from politics after a lifetime of public service but if he wants it, he is someone who has a lot of people who like and respect him across the party.

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Anymouse  Nov 23, 2016 • 9:28:16am

re: #422 Belafon

Most of us finished college long before Facebook. I only joined so that I could stay in contact with my family while on trips.

On my last trip (to Churchill, Manitoba), I stayed in contact via E-mail and letters (and one telephone call). I sent my mother and my aunt a bunch of printed photographs of our trip.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 23, 2016 • 9:28:39am

re: #423 Myron Falwell (no relation)

I’m very happy that my alma mater, Cleveland State University, wised up and cancelled Milo’s tour stop hate gathering next month.

And the butthurt is so delicious.

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I remember being in college when Youth for Western Civilization had a chapter and Tom Tancredo was invited. I have no idea what became of that. Fuck Milo.

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lawhawk  Nov 23, 2016 • 9:31:19am

*facepalm*

Conflicts of interest. Check
Putting personal business above all else: Check
Bending over backwards to give Russia a blank check in ME and world affairs? Check

This is the Trump cabal in action:

Donald Trump’s eldest son, emerging as a potential envoy for the president-elect, held private discussions with diplomats, businessmen and politicians in Paris last month that focused in part on finding a way to cooperate with Russia to end the war in Syria, according to people who took part in the meetings.

Thirty people, including Donald Trump Jr., attended the Oct. 11 event at the Ritz Paris, which was hosted by a French think tank. The founder of the think tank, Fabien Baussart, and his wife, Randa Kassis, have worked closely with Russia to try to end the conflict.

Ms. Kassis, who was born in Syria, is a leader of a Syrian opposition group endorsed by the Kremlin. The group wants a political transition in Syria—but in cooperation with President Bashar al-Assad, Moscow’s close ally.

The disclosure of a meeting between the younger Mr. Trump and pro-Russia figures—even if not Russian government officials—poses new questions about contacts between the president-elect, his family and foreign powers. It is also likely to heighten focus on the elder Mr. Trump’s stated desire to cooperate with the Kremlin once in office.

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Belafon  Nov 23, 2016 • 9:31:47am

re: #428 HappyWarrior

Yeah, I just don’t know if he wants it. He just turned 73 and I think would like to retire from politics after a lifetime of public service but if he wants it, he is someone who has a lot of people who like and respect him across the party.

We’ll find out after January 20th. This is one of those things where he’d probably like to retire, but might also want to make sure that Democrats regain control of Congress. I would like to encourage him if he’s thinking about it.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 23, 2016 • 9:32:57am

re: #424 Barefoot Grin

Tokin’ German would be a hoot.

that’s why we invited the Italian…

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electrotek  Nov 23, 2016 • 9:33:23am

re: #420 Anymouse

Maybe that’s why I never heard of it until it went national, since I never attended college.

I did run a BBS in the Eighties though (from a Commodore 64, geez I am old)

BBS, hot damn!

I miss message boards too. Especially ones that were running on the UBB platform in the late 90s.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 23, 2016 • 9:34:01am

re: #432 Belafon

We’ll find out after January 20th. This is one of those things where he’d probably like to retire, but might also want to make sure that Democrats regain control of Congress. I would like to encourage him if he’s thinking about it.

Yeah I wouldn’t mind encouraging him to consider it.

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The Vicious Babushka  Nov 23, 2016 • 9:34:20am

re: #431 lawhawk

*facepalm*

Conflicts of interest. Check
Putting personal business above all else: Check
Bending over backwards to give Russia a blank check in ME and world affairs? Check

This is the Trump cabal in action:

Trump wants to partner with Putin so that Russia can commit the actual war crimes that it’s too “politically incorrect” for the US to do.

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Nov 23, 2016 • 9:35:10am

re: #434 electrotek

I miss message boards too. Especially ones that were running on the UBB platform in the late 90s.

What about the UBB ones that are still up and running?

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Targetpractice  Nov 23, 2016 • 9:35:21am

re: #431 lawhawk

*facepalm*

Conflicts of interest. Check
Putting personal business above all else: Check
Bending over backwards to give Russia a blank check in ME and world affairs? Check

This is the Trump cabal in action:

So since federal laws prevent Don Jr. from serving in his administration, Don Sr. will just have him act in an “unofficial” manner.

But emails!!!!/////

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electrotek  Nov 23, 2016 • 9:37:26am

re: #437 Colère Tueur de Lapin

What about the UBB ones that are still up and running?

I have no clue about those since all the ones I used to post on had already migrated from uBB to vBulletin by 2002 or so.

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Nov 23, 2016 • 9:38:43am

re: #438 Targetpractice

So since federal laws prevent Don Jr. from serving in his administration, Don Sr. will just have him act in an “unofficial” manner.

With a family running the executive branch of government, one who displays all signs of being an autocrat, who has no compunction against skirting flat our breaking the law, who else sees transfer of power in 2021 to be a serious potential problem?

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Skip Intro  Nov 23, 2016 • 9:39:55am

How to deal with guests who just won’t leave.

Florida Woman Accused of Shooting at House Guests Who Stayed Too Long

There are rules, of course.

The boyfriend allegedly told authorities that he told Savell that if someone is told to leave their property three times, she is to get the gun and shoot it at the ground. If that doesn’t work, she’s supposed to shoot them in the leg.

nbcmiami.com

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Skip Intro  Nov 23, 2016 • 9:40:59am

re: #440 Colère Tueur de Lapin

With a family running the executive branch of government, one who displays all signs of being an autocrat, who has no compunction against skirting flat our breaking the law, who else sees transfer of power in 2021 to be a serious potential problem?

No, I think Queen Ivanka’s ascension to the throne will run smoothly.

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Nov 23, 2016 • 9:42:20am

re: #442 Skip Intro

No, I think Queen Ivanka’s ascension the the throne will run smoothly.

Sigh. You’re probably correct. All the proper paperwork and laws will be in place by then.

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lawhawk  Nov 23, 2016 • 9:46:24am

re: #442 Skip Intro

Mad King Trump, succeeded by Queen Regent Trump (who is also mad).

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Skip Intro  Nov 23, 2016 • 9:46:37am

re: #438 Targetpractice

So since federal laws prevent Don Jr. from serving in his administration, Don Sr. will just have him act in an “unofficial” manner.

But emails!!!!/////

You folks are starting to crack me up. “Federal laws prevent”?

Sez who? When DJT is pres he is the law and will do anything he damn well pleases. Who’s going to stop him, the Republicans?

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electrotek  Nov 23, 2016 • 9:47:22am

re: #445 Skip Intro

You folks are starting to crack me up. “Federal laws prevent”?

Sez who? When DJT is pres he is the law and will do anything he damn well pleases. Who’s going to stop him, the Republicans?

As Lisa once famously asked, “who will police the police?”

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Targetpractice  Nov 23, 2016 • 9:49:45am

re: #445 Skip Intro

You folks are starting to crack me up. “Federal laws prevent”?

Sez who? When DJT is pres he is the law and will do anything he damn well pleases. Who’s going to stop him, the Republicans?

Valid point. On the one hand, Pence is the guy that the business and evangelical wings of the party want. On the other, Trump is the guy who the white supremacist wing of the party elected. Running him out of office will basically ignite the GOP civil war that was beginning to flare up prior to Election Day.

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makeitstop  Nov 23, 2016 • 9:50:25am

re: #426 Anymouse

Couldn’t billionaire thousandaire Donald Trump hire security for Mr. Yiannopolis?

I think they’re probably more concerned about the people that Milo wold attract than providing security for him. A valid concern, IMO.

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ObserverArt  Nov 23, 2016 • 9:52:18am

re: #308 Colère Tueur de Lapin

Jim Wright get a 24 hour faceplace ban for criticizing Nazis

You know when I read crap like this I am glad I have nothing to do with Facebook.

Sad too that it’s main founder, Mark Zuckerberg, was raised Jewish. But then I think he claimed he was an atheist…but maybe because of his wife (don’t know) he messes with Buddhism. So, I guess none of it means anything to him. All that matters is the cash stream.

I will say though, is it okay from me to wish stuff like this brought Facebook down?

Ahh crap, maybe I am just an anti-socialist. This past election and a lot of the stuff going on in America right now sure isn’t helping.

Reading through this thread has bummed me out. So much of it just brings a person down. Sigh.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 23, 2016 • 9:52:34am

re: #447 Targetpractice

Valid point. On the one hand, Pence is the guy that the business and evangelical wings of the party want. On the other, Trump is the guy who the white supremacist wing of the party elected. Running him out of office will basically ignite the GOP civil war that was beginning to flare up prior to Election Day.

And there will be no good outcome for America.

So for now it is MAD: Mutually Assured Donald.

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Dr. Matt  Nov 23, 2016 • 9:56:26am
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I’ve been purging Trump deplorables from my facebook over the last week. Apparently, one of them got my personal phone number and is spamming me Trump pics as text messages. And they wonder why we look down on them.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 23, 2016 • 9:59:26am

re: #451 Dr. Matt

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Because you have no sense of humor?

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The Vicious Babushka  Nov 23, 2016 • 10:03:11am

This is bad

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ObserverArt  Nov 23, 2016 • 10:04:11am

re: #355 Sir John Barron

And how much does Big Orange hate Dr. Real Ben Carson to want to stick him at the Department of Housing and Urban Development (HUD)? That’s like banishing someone to Siberia.

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That’s like a good job for a Black guy isn’t it???

(EDIT: Fergot the / jus’ in case!)

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electrotek  Nov 23, 2016 • 10:06:20am

re: #453 The Vicious Babushka

This is bad

How bad are we talking? Have no idea who she is :(

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The Vicious Babushka  Nov 23, 2016 • 10:07:41am

re: #455 electrotek

How bad are we talking? Have no idea who she is :(

We are talking “Close all public schools and give the money to private schools with no accountability” bad.

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Barefoot Grin  Nov 23, 2016 • 10:07:57am

re: #455 electrotek

How bad are we talking? Have no idea who she is :(

Says “Amway heir” and tireless advocate for scrapping national standards and promoting school choice.

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electrotek  Nov 23, 2016 • 10:08:39am

re: #456 The Vicious Babushka

re: #457 Barefoot Grin

What a disaster in the making.

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The Vicious Babushka  Nov 23, 2016 • 10:10:35am

re: #457 Barefoot Grin

Says “Amway heir” and tireless advocate fro scrapping national standards and promoting school choice.

“School choice” is a bogus term. There really is no choice for people if public schools are shut down and no private schools will accept students from the inner city, assuming there is even transportation to take them there.

It’s just a scam to transfer money from public schools into private schools who practice segregation.

“What have you got to lose” indeed.

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freetoken  Nov 23, 2016 • 10:11:24am

re: #459 The Vicious Babushka

It’s just a scam to transfer money from public schools into private schools who practice segregation.

As well as religious indoctrination.

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Sir John Barron  Nov 23, 2016 • 10:11:27am

re: #453 The Vicious Babushka

This is bad

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I think the correct term is “nominates” or “intends to nominate” rather than “appoints”. I’ve noticed this a lot in media coverage lately.

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Anymouse  Nov 23, 2016 • 10:11:55am

re: #451 Dr. Matt

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freetoken  Nov 23, 2016 • 10:12:13am

re: #461 Sir John Barron

In the Trump-epoch, he appoints whoever he wants to whatever positions he wants them in.

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ObserverArt  Nov 23, 2016 • 10:13:09am

re: #423 Myron Falwell (no relation)

I’m very happy that my alma mater, Cleveland State University, wised up and cancelled Milo’s tour stop hate gathering next month.

And the butthurt is so delicious.

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Looks like CSU needs to have some of their students take a class on The U.S. Constitution and maybe toss in some history and civics too.

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Anymouse  Nov 23, 2016 • 10:13:40am

re: #456 The Vicious Babushka

We are talking “Close all public schools and give the money to private schools with no accountability” bad.

The DeVos family is the family that founded Amway. They also bought Governor Rick Snyder’s way into the statehouse in Michigan, along with an appropriate number of wingnuts to support him.

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Targetpractice  Nov 23, 2016 • 10:14:07am

re: #459 The Vicious Babushka

“School choice” is a bogus term. There really is no choice for people if public schools are shut down and no private schools will accept students from the inner city, assuming there is even transportation to take them there.

It’s just a scam to transfer money from public schools into private schools who practice segregation.

“What have you got to lose” indeed.

“School choice” is about as Orwellian as you can get without quoting directly from his works. There is no choice, there’s the illusion of choice when the reality is that the government is not going to cut a check big enough to make a real difference to millions of poor Americans. But they will make a huge difference to the profit margins of diploma mills that will sprout up like weeds to suck up all those checks.

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freetoken  Nov 23, 2016 • 10:14:41am

re: #465 Anymouse

The Trump-epoch is the Amway-ization of America.

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lawhawk  Nov 23, 2016 • 10:15:20am

re: #461 Sir John Barron

I think the correct term is “nominates” or “intends to nominate” rather than “appoints”. I’ve noticed this a lot in media coverage lately.

It’s taken as a given that they’ll be approved? But you’re right. These are all nominations that have to be approved by Congress (typically following confirmation hearings). You know, the way Merrick Garland’s nomination was supposed to be handled, but wasn’t.

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Sir John Barron  Nov 23, 2016 • 10:15:23am

re: #463 freetoken

In the Trump-epoch, he appoints whoever he wants to whatever positions he wants them in.

Yes, we are in a new age.

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Anymouse  Nov 23, 2016 • 10:18:24am

re: #469 Sir John Barron

Yes, we are in a new age.

They might as well be appointments, because the GOP sure isn’t going to stop them.

For as long as the Libertarian Party has been arguing for dismantling the government’s regulatory powers and such, the GOP is a whole lot better at it. (Maybe that’s why Ayn Rand called the LP poseurs.)

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Dr. Matt  Nov 23, 2016 • 10:18:54am

re: #462 Anymouse

They are a blessing AND a curse at the same time.

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ObserverArt  Nov 23, 2016 • 10:21:24am

re: #459 The Vicious Babushka

“School choice” is a bogus term. There really is no choice for people if public schools are shut down and no private schools will accept students from the inner city, assuming there is even transportation to take them there.

It’s just a scam to transfer money from public schools into private schools who practice segregation.

“What have you got to lose” indeed.

And where will those people be when the people in the inner cities grow sick and tired of their lot in life and decide those protected white enclaves elsewhere would be good places to attack, take stuff and burn ‘em down?

Damn…I guess Trump and his supporters are really interested to see if they can get the French Revolution to occur here in the U.S.

And no I am not justifying people getting pissed and rioting and looting, but box ‘em in, leave them with nothing and you create your own situations.

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jeffreyw  Nov 23, 2016 • 10:22:12am

re: #413 (alpuz)

“Can’t wait. It’s the best meal of the year. With the leftovers, I like to use stuffing, turkey, and cranberry sauce on a sandwich.”

Oh, yeah. Where’s jeffryw with a pic?!?

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Rib roast from Xmas last, iirc. I had never done one before but it turned out edible. Spatchcocked turkey tomorrow, herbed butter ala Serious Eats. Sides will be mashed potatoes and gravy, roasted Brussels sprouts, honey roasted sweet potatoes, roasted heirloom potatoes (three colors from one bag), dressing, sweet potato pie with sugared pecans, and cherry pie.

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wrenchwench  Nov 23, 2016 • 10:24:35am

re: #473 jeffreyw

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Rib roast from Xmas last, iirc. I had never done one before but it turned out edible. Spatchcocked turkey tomorrow, herbed butter ala Serious Eats. Sides will be mashed potatoes and gravy, roasted Brussels sprouts, honey roasted sweet potatoes, roasted heirloom potatoes (three colors from one bag), dressing, sweet potato pie with sugared pecans, and cherry pie.

J. Kenji López-Alt is the best. A link to him is a link to something good.

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The Vicious Babushka  Nov 23, 2016 • 10:25:12am
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(alpuz)  Nov 23, 2016 • 10:26:15am

re: #453 The Vicious Babushka

Really, really bad.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 23, 2016 • 10:26:59am

re: #459 The Vicious Babushka

“School choice” is a bogus term. There really is no choice for people if public schools are shut down and no private schools will accept students from the inner city, assuming there is even transportation to take them there.

It’s just a scam to transfer money from public schools into private schools who practice segregation.

“What have you got to lose” indeed.

Comparing public schools to private ones is truly apples and oranges: unless “charter” schools who take government funding also accept students on a first-come, first-serve basis and can only expel them by the same rules that apply to any public school.

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gocart mozart  Nov 23, 2016 • 10:27:10am
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Dr. Matt  Nov 23, 2016 • 10:27:35am

Betsy DeVos says she wants to “make America education great again”. Guess what, it was great until Republicans started meddling with it 4 decades ago. Everything they touch goes to shit.

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Anymouse  Nov 23, 2016 • 10:28:00am

re: #472 ObserverArt

And where will those people be when the people in the inner cities grow sick and tired of their lot in life and decide those protected white enclaves elsewhere would be good places to attack, take stuff and burn ‘em down?

Damn…I guess Trump and his supporters are really interested to see if they can get the French Revolution to occur here in the U.S.

And no I am not justifying people getting pissed and rioting and looting, but box ‘em in, leave them with nothing and you create your own situations.

That’s what the National Guard and police are for.

One man with a gun can control 100 without one.—Vladimir Lenin

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ObserverArt  Nov 23, 2016 • 10:28:05am

I gotta run out and do some grocery shopping…and now I am totally depressed from this thread.

One point about Facebook…Mark Zuckerberg doesn’t care about anything ‘social’ regarding Facebook.

What he does care about is that he has created (along with the help of all his subscribers) the worlds largest database filled with all kinds of instant information that he can sell to all kinds of interests to do studies on trends, thinking, etc.

What a clearing house for political parties, the government, huge corporations, etc. Is there a more concise database anywhere else?

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wrenchwench  Nov 23, 2016 • 10:28:09am

re: #475 The Vicious Babushka

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‘Eyeroll’ is not the best expression for a skull.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 23, 2016 • 10:28:31am

re: #467 freetoken

The Trump-epoch is the Amway-ization of America.

Don’t forget what the name Amway means “American Way”.

Namely, the pyramid scheme

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The Vicious Babushka  Nov 23, 2016 • 10:28:51am

re: #477 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Comparing public schools to private ones is truly apples and oranges: unless “charter” schools who take government funding also accept students on a first-come, first-serve basis and can only expel them by the same rules that apply to any public school.

Charter and private schools do not have to take any students, they can reject anyone for any reason. Inability to pay tuition is one of the reasons. Skin color is another.

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Myron Falwell (no relation)  Nov 23, 2016 • 10:28:51am

re: #453 The Vicious Babushka

This is bad

Another moron absolutely unqualified for the position (this time because she wants to destroy education outright). Why am I not surprised.

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ObserverArt  Nov 23, 2016 • 10:29:45am

re: #478 gocart mozart

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And don’t you dare eat the dog after you run out of muffins!

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 23, 2016 • 10:29:48am

re: #479 Dr. Matt

Betsy DeVos says she wants to make America education great again. Guess what, it was great until Republicans started meddling with in 4 decades ago. Everything they touch goes to shit.

If my math is on point you are referring to the Reagan years?

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(alpuz)  Nov 23, 2016 • 10:30:08am

re: #479 Dr. Matt

From what I know of her, and her family, they’ve been behind the privatization of public schools for years. They’re players here in Wisconsin. This is really bad.

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Myron Falwell (no relation)  Nov 23, 2016 • 10:30:28am

re: #483 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Don’t forget what the name Amway means “American Way”.

Namely, the pyramid scheme

Paul Harvey was also it’s main pitchman for decades. Pretty much sums it up.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 23, 2016 • 10:30:39am

re: #484 The Vicious Babushka

Charter and private schools do not have to take any students, they can reject anyone for any reason. Inability to pay tuition is one of the reasons. Skin color is another.

and often somehow related…

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Feline Fearless Leader  Nov 23, 2016 • 10:31:28am

re: #392 allegro

I’m sitting here on my bed drinking goooood coffee and snapping green beans while enjoying y’all’s company. Got guests starting to arrive this evening and more coming over tomorrow for an orphan party Thanksgiving feast. Since my little oven is too small to fit even a whole chicken I decided to take a different approach to the traditional feast: smoked turkey. (I’ve never smoked a turkey so hilarity is very likely to ensue.)

Menu:
Smoked turkey
Homemade BBQ sauce
Scalloped potatoes
Fresh green beans
Crock pot sweet taters with pecans
Homemade cranberry sauce with fresh ginger and Amaretto
Jalapeno cornbread muffins
Pecan and Dutch apple pies

What are y’all fixin?

Smoked Turkey Breast (just have to reheat)
Spaghetti Squash Carbonera Casserole (prep tonight - cook tomorrow)
Pie (probably Apple - brother will make that)
Stuffing (cooked outside the bird) - probably exotic flavored; like oyster and chestnuts
If necessary, backed sweet potatoes as well

Just three of us, and one is celiac and can’t do any gluten.

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Sir John Barron  Nov 23, 2016 • 10:32:06am

re: #483 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Don’t forget what the name Amway means “American Way”.

Namely, the pyramid scheme

I was once a “distributor”.

Went to one of their quarterly “functions”: lots and lots of wingnut jarblebarble. Basically a Tea Party convention before there was a Tea Party.

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ObserverArt  Nov 23, 2016 • 10:32:22am

re: #483 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Don’t forget what the name Amway means “American Way”.

Namely, the pyramid scheme scam.

Just a little change…and if said quickly it goes right on by!

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Dr. Matt  Nov 23, 2016 • 10:33:59am

re: #487 Eclectic Cyborg

If my math is on point you are referring to the Reagan years?

Bingo.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 23, 2016 • 10:35:13am

So DeVos for Education. Yikes not liking that either.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 23, 2016 • 10:35:24am

re: #479 Dr. Matt

Betsy DeVos says she wants to make America education great again. Guess what, it was great until Republicans started meddling with in 4 decades ago. Everything they touch goes to shit.

Donald Trump being elected President is one of the long-term results of what Reagan started doing to our education system.

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allegro  Nov 23, 2016 • 10:37:26am

re: #496 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Donald Trump is one of the long-term results of what Reagan started doing to our education system.

He’s older than I am and I got an excellent public school education. He has no excuse.

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Pawn of the Oppressor  Nov 23, 2016 • 10:37:50am

re: #488 (alpuz)

From what I know of her, and her family, they’ve been behind the privatization of public schools for years. They’re players here in Wisconsin. This is really bad.

Another acolyte of the Koch Project to Ruin Wisconsin?

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allegro  Nov 23, 2016 • 10:37:56am

re: #496 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Donald Trump is one of the long-term results of what Reagan started doing to our education system.

Or I mis-interpreted your comment. Likely too.

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Feline Fearless Leader  Nov 23, 2016 • 10:38:43am

re: #436 The Vicious Babushka

Trump wants to partner with Putin so that Russia can commit the actual war crimes that it’s too “politically incorrect” for the US to do.

So Jerry Pournelle was just off by a few years on when the Co-Dominium was going to form.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 23, 2016 • 10:39:11am

re: #499 allegro

Or I mis-interpreted your comment. Likely too.

I think he means his success electorally.

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Interesting Times  Nov 23, 2016 • 10:39:11am

re: #499 allegro

Or I mis-interpreted your comment. Likely too.

Yes, I believe he meant “trump’s ascendancy”

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(alpuz)  Nov 23, 2016 • 10:39:36am

re: #498 Pawn of the Oppressor

Pretty much. I’ve held off saying this until now, but we’re fucked.

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Nyet  Nov 23, 2016 • 10:39:54am

re: #240 Franklin

Everything is wrong with that tweet: wrong photo, false chyron. A Takei fail.

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Dr. Matt  Nov 23, 2016 • 10:39:56am

re: #492 Sir John Barron

I was once a “distributor”.

Went to one of their quarterly “functions”: lots and lots of wingnut jarblebarble. Basically a Tea Party convention before there was a Tea Party.

When I was in high school looking for a part-time job, I answered a newspaper ad: “I’m looking for highly motivated youth to help with my new company”, etc., etc., etc. I make the phone call, a lady answers and says there are “job interviews” next Saturday morning at a hotel. I put on my Sunday best and show up. Fucking cult. No other way to describe it. I excused myself to the restroom and ended up going home.

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The Vicious Babushka  Nov 23, 2016 • 10:40:34am

“SCHOOL CHOICE”= take educational control out of the hands of corrupt public school boards (like those you-know-whats who run the Detroit Public School system) and give it to wealthy white people.

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lawhawk  Nov 23, 2016 • 10:40:40am

Some people are determined to prove that Ben Carson deserves to run a govt agency he knows absolutely nothing about:

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Mind you, I grew up in NYC. I lived in a house (even a Trump apartment for a few years). That doesn’t make me an expert on housing and housing policy.

It doesn’t make me an expert on Section 8 or Mitchell Lama or any of the other housing programs around the nation. It doesn’t make me an expert on Nehemiah housing (affordable housing), or how to help nonprofits like Habitat for Humanity build homes for underserved populations, or that there’s all kinds of complicating factors, such as homeownership rates and how various home mortgage programs affect all of this - Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac, and the programs launched to help homeowners after the financial crisis like HAMP and HARP.

Carson knows nothing from any of this. He’s a neurosurgeon. He doesn’t know what it takes to run a federal bureaucracy. But that isn’t stopping Trump from picking extremists (clueless and otherwise) for jobs they aren’t qualified for.

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Anymouse  Nov 23, 2016 • 10:40:42am

re: #503 (alpuz)

Pretty much. I’ve held off saying this until now, but we’re fucked.

I wonder how a Somali-style government will work in a First World nation? Disaster doesn’t even begin to cover it.

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Pawn of the Oppressor  Nov 23, 2016 • 10:41:10am

re: #500 Feline Fearless Leader

So Jerry Pournelle was just off by a few years on when the Co-Dominium was going to form.

“They’re doing a great job over there, those guys. A great job. I love that new iron wall they’re building”

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 23, 2016 • 10:42:20am

re: #499 allegro

Or I mis-interpreted your comment. Likely too.

I fixed it to clarify.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 23, 2016 • 10:42:50am

re: #507 lawhawk

Some people are determined to prove that Ben Carson deserves to run a govt agency he knows absolutely nothing about:

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Mind you, I grew up in NYC. I lived in a house (even a Trump apartment for a few years). That doesn’t make me an expert on housing and housing policy.

It doesn’t make me an expert on Section 8 or Mitchell Lama or any of the other housing programs around the nation. It doesn’t make me an expert on Nehemiah housing (affordable housing), or how to help nonprofits like Habitat for Humanity build homes for underserved populations, or that there’s all kinds of complicating factors, such as homeownership rates and how various home mortgage programs affect all of this - Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac, and the programs launched to help homeowners after the financial crisis like HAMP and HARP.

Carson knows nothing from any of this. He’s a neurosurgeon. He doesn’t know what it takes to run a federal bureaucracy. But that isn’t stopping Trump from picking extremists (clueless and otherwise) for jobs they aren’t qualified for.

It’s stupid. And HUD is so much more than just urban housing as you getat. It’s something that Carson is flat out unqualified for. And to Ben’s credit, he acknowledges this though for some reason, he thought he cold be president too.

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Feline Fearless Leader  Nov 23, 2016 • 10:43:24am

re: #472 ObserverArt

And where will those people be when the people in the inner cities grow sick and tired of their lot in life and decide those protected white enclaves elsewhere would be good places to attack, take stuff and burn ‘em down?

Damn…I guess Trump and his supporters are really interested to see if they can get the French Revolution to occur here in the U.S.

And no I am not justifying people getting pissed and rioting and looting, but box ‘em in, leave them with nothing and you create your own situations.

But that can then be publicized as the race war that was foretold of by the nut pundits. So they create the self-fulfilling prophecy that cements their authoritarian control.

Which is why I am a backer of the safety net, minimum wage, etc. etc. I would rather pay taxes and have a stable and relatively open society than pay roughly the same in order to live in a quasi-stable police state where the odds of being in the wrong place at the wrong time are much higher.

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Big Beautiful Door  Nov 23, 2016 • 10:44:18am

re: #331 HappyWarrior

I still like Elton but it amazed me that he did that with all the fucked up shit Limbaugh has said about gay people.

Limbaugh’s money spends as well as anyone else’s.

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Anymouse  Nov 23, 2016 • 10:44:58am

re: #512 Feline Fearless Leader

But that can then be publicized as the race war that was foretold of by the nut pundits. So they create the self-fulfilling prophecy that cements their authoritarian control.

Which is why I am a backer of the safety net, minimum wage, etc. etc. I would rather pay taxes and have a stable and relatively open society than pay roughly the same in order to live in a quasi-stable police state where the odds of being in the wrong place at the wrong time are much higher.

Taxes are the price of civilisation.

515
The Vicious Babushka  Nov 23, 2016 • 10:45:21am

We will become a society like Brazil in which the 1% will live in their fortified, guarded by paramilitary security compounds, and everyone else is in the favelas.

516
Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 23, 2016 • 10:46:03am

re: #514 Anymouse

Taxes are the price of civilisation.

they want neither…

517
(alpuz)  Nov 23, 2016 • 10:46:41am

re: #508 Anymouse

The appointment of Betsy DeVos is a Priebus move all the way. He’s WisGop. The legislature, Guv and State Supreme court must be having an orgasm.

518
Anymouse  Nov 23, 2016 • 10:46:57am

re: #513 Big Beautiful Door

Limbaugh’s money spends as well as anyone else’s.

Elton John is a private person. He can get hired by anyone, and could have told Limbaugh to take a flying leap.

It is possible Mr. John did not know all there is to know about Mr. Limbaugh. He cannot claim to not know about Mr. Trump.

Who was it that got pilloried for performing for a central Asian dictator recently?

519
Belafon  Nov 23, 2016 • 10:47:21am

re: #507 lawhawk

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Feline Fearless Leader  Nov 23, 2016 • 10:47:23am

re: #515 The Vicious Babushka

We will become a society like Brazil in which the 1% will live in their fortified, guarded by paramilitary security compounds, and everyone else is in the favelas.

Citizens and Welfare Islands.

521
Anymouse  Nov 23, 2016 • 10:48:45am

re: #517 (alpuz)

The appointment of Betsy DeVos is a Priebus move all the way. He’s WisGop. The legislature, Guv and State Supreme court must be having an orgasm.

Betsy DeVos lives in Grand Rapids, Michigan (the DeVos family is from Michigan). I don’t know about the Wisc. GOP, but I am sure the Mich. GOP is doing handsprings.

522
jeffreyw  Nov 23, 2016 • 10:49:31am

re: #474 wrenchwench

Yes, I quite concur. He is showing me the tricks of the sous vide trade.

523
harlequinade  Nov 23, 2016 • 10:49:56am

re: #431 lawhawk

Everyone, but particularly Lawhawk, help me out with this one:

Every day we see … let’s say irregularities. Ivanka on calls with PE. Is that legal? Is that a mishandling of potentially confidential material, if she doesn’t have clearance?
If she does - what about his business? Is that legal?
As PE, can someone FOI his tax return?

But - more importantly, I see talk about “Congress won’t…” and “The GOP haven’t the spine to…” Can a private citizen? Can someone say “this act, that has been reported, is in violation of these things, I want to bring charges”? Is that a thing that can’t happen?

What _can_ The People do?

524
Big Beautiful Door  Nov 23, 2016 • 10:49:58am

re: #362 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Just watched that last nite.

And I would not be surprised to see that scenario play out in my lifetime or that of my kids/granndkids

The money NASA saves scrapping climate research better go to Mars colonization. No sarc tag, because I’m not kidding.

525
The Vicious Babushka  Nov 23, 2016 • 10:50:55am

re: #523 harlequinade

What _can_ The People do?

Grab your ankles.

526
Stanley Sea  Nov 23, 2016 • 10:51:04am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 23, 2016 • 10:51:55am

re: #526 Stanley Sea

Trump is selling “make America great again” Christmas tree ornaments for $149.

you’ll get yours soon enough

528
Big Beautiful Door  Nov 23, 2016 • 10:52:27am

re: #375 Targetpractice

When the same happened in 2000, Gore’s lead was narrow enough that we could buy that he’d just had shitty luck.

But 2 million and growing? Something smells rotten in the state of Denmark.

Running up massive margins in California doesn’t help Clinton one bit in the Midwest. No reason to suspect voter fraud, other than the vote suppression efforts we already know about.

529
harlequinade  Nov 23, 2016 • 10:52:32am

re: #525 The Vicious Babushka

is that really it?

That seems…like a failing on the part of the founders :)

530
(alpuz)  Nov 23, 2016 • 10:52:36am

re: #521 Anymouse

Yep, they may live in Michigan but they still have huge ties to the WisGop. Look up Scott Jensen from Wisconsin.

531
Anymouse  Nov 23, 2016 • 10:52:55am

re: #523 harlequinade

Everyone, but particularly Lawhawk, help me out with this one:

Every day we see … let’s say irregularities. Ivanka on calls with PE. Is that legal? Is that a mishandling of potentially confidential material, if she doesn’t have clearance?
If she does - what about his business? Is that legal?
As PE, can someone FOI his tax return?

But - more importantly, I see talk about “Congress won’t…” and “The GOP haven’t the spine to…” Can a private citizen? Can someone say “this act, that has been reported, is in violation of these things, I want to bring charges”? Is that a thing that can’t happen?

What _can_ The People do?

Not a legal scholar, but pretty much every case where a person has violated laws that is subject to Congressional oversight, the courts will rule it is Congress’s job. (If the voter doesn’t like Congress, supposedly the Congress can be voted out.)

I am not sure what “PE” is in your example.

532
lawhawk  Nov 23, 2016 • 10:53:19am
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More than $4 billion a ship. For a destroyer. We’re not even talking an aircraft carrier or a heavy cruiser or amphibious assault ship.

I’ll chalk some of this up to teething problems on a new class of ship and working out the bugs, but this isn’t exactly an auspicious start to the ship’s service.

And then there’s the cost.

533
harlequinade  Nov 23, 2016 • 10:53:32am

re: #531 Anymouse

I am not sure what “PE” is in your example.

Pres Elect

534
Barefoot Grin  Nov 23, 2016 • 10:54:28am

re: #526 Stanley Sea

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Talk about “war on Christmas!”

535
Anymouse  Nov 23, 2016 • 10:56:30am

re: #533 harlequinade

Pres Elect

As for Mr. Trump’s tax returns, no one can simply request them. There is no law that requires a candidate to release tax returns, that is merely customary by candidates. Mr. Trump’s tax returns are in theory just as private as my tax returns.

If one had evidence of tax fraud or whatnot, one could turn that evidence over to the appropriate authorities, and they could request the tax forms. If his current wife or previous wives chose to release them (as they are also signatories on those forms) they could do so.

Other than that, those tax forms will remain just as secret as your tax forms.

536
Belafon  Nov 23, 2016 • 10:56:43am

I want to keep up with this stuff, but we don’t want to give in to despair and defeat. There are still nomination hearings and it will take time to implement some of this. Figure out who to contact and let your friends know. There are a lot of people who won’t like school choice. We will have to work on regaining congress.

537
freetoken  Nov 23, 2016 • 10:57:27am

re: #532 lawhawk

The problem with ships in the 21st century is that they are easy targets. If one can’t make a ship stealthy then any technological savvy enemy will be able to neutralize it.

The existence of the Zumwalt is an admission by the Navy that the 21st century offers tremendous challenges to any Navy fighting a battle against an militarily advanced foe.

538
lawhawk  Nov 23, 2016 • 10:58:00am

re: #523 harlequinade

Everyone, but particularly Lawhawk, help me out with this one:

Every day we see … let’s say irregularities. Ivanka on calls with PE. Is that legal? Is that a mishandling of potentially confidential material, if she doesn’t have clearance?
If she does - what about his business? Is that legal?
As PE, can someone FOI his tax return?

But - more importantly, I see talk about “Congress won’t…” and “The GOP haven’t the spine to…” Can a private citizen? Can someone say “this act, that has been reported, is in violation of these things, I want to bring charges”? Is that a thing that can’t happen?

What _can_ The People do?

There simply isn’t much a private person can do to address these issues. You have to have standing to sue, and on a lot of these issues, they fall into the realm of political questions - and the courts don’t address those.

If there are issues with security clearances, mishandling classified info, etc., that’s an issue that should be directed to the federal prosecutors who might choose to act on them. That would likely fall to the prosecutors in the SDNY (covers Manhattan) to consider.

Considering how opaque the entire process is with Trump, there’s no guessing what the heck is really going on and who’s in the room when these decisions are made. All of the evidence points to questionable acts.

Once he becomes President, you can call your federal representatives to launch investigations into it - ultimately seeking impeachment, but that’s about the extent of what a person can do.

539
Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 23, 2016 • 10:58:17am

re: #532 lawhawk

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More than $4 billion a ship. For a destroyer. We’re not even talking an aircraft carrier or a heavy cruiser or amphibious assault ship.

I’ll chalk some of this up to teething problems on a new class of ship and working out the bugs, but this isn’t exactly an auspicious start to the ship’s service.

And then there’s the cost.

No-bid, cost-plus military contract = license to print money.

540
(alpuz)  Nov 23, 2016 • 10:59:08am

re: #530 (alpuz)

Yep, they may live in Michigan but they still have huge ties to the WisGop. Look up Scott Jensen from Wisconsin.

urbanmilwaukee.com

541
Sherlock Hound  Nov 23, 2016 • 11:00:43am

re: #489 Myron Falwell (no relation)

Paul Harvey was also it’s main pitchman for decades. Pretty much sums it up.

Must-read:
archive.org

One man’s experience with AMO’s—Amway Motivational Organizations.

When I was on Reddit’s EnoughLibertarianSpam, I drew a line from libertarian tropes directly to (or from) AMO tropes (“JOB: Just Over Broke!”)

542
Anymouse  Nov 23, 2016 • 11:03:28am

re: #537 freetoken

The problem with ships in the 21st century is that they are easy targets. If one can’t make a ship stealthy then any technological savvy enemy will be able to neutralize it.

The existence of the Zumwalt is an admission by the Navy that the 21st century offers tremendous challenges to any Navy fighting a battle against an militarily advanced foe.

Plus, anti-ship missiles are a lot cheaper than ships.

In my career in the US Navy, we were pretty much trained with the idea that if we went into serious combat, our job on an aircraft carrier was to get the planes off the deck before we were sunk.

543
lawhawk  Nov 23, 2016 • 11:03:38am
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So, Carson’s decided that he’s qualified to run an agency he has zero experience addressing ever.

You’re not qualified to be HUD Secretary just because you live in a home.

544
The Vicious Babushka  Nov 23, 2016 • 11:06:42am
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Myron Falwell (no relation)  Nov 23, 2016 • 11:07:03am

re: #526 Stanley Sea

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I thought it would be a dog whistle.

546
freetoken  Nov 23, 2016 • 11:07:10am

re: #543 lawhawk

He’s flip-flopping. As you noted, Carson himself said a few days ago that his life experience didn’t prepare him to run a Department.

547
allegro  Nov 23, 2016 • 11:08:00am

re: #543 lawhawk

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So, Carson’s decided that he’s qualified to run an agency he has zero experience addressing ever.

You’re not qualified to be HUD Secretary just because you live in a home.

Wasn’t it like two weeks ago that he said he wasn’t qualified to head any government agency?

548
Sir John Barron  Nov 23, 2016 • 11:08:10am

re: #543 lawhawk

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So, Carson’s decided that he’s qualified to run an agency he has zero experience addressing ever.

You’re not qualified to be HUD Secretary just because you live in a home.

A couple of these appointments seem designed to get people out of the way: Haley for UN, Carson for HUD. Either might still choose to challenge Trump in 2020. But it looks to me like he’s attempting to head off potential opponents, particularly Haley.

549
Anymouse  Nov 23, 2016 • 11:08:14am

re: #545 Myron Falwell (no relation)

I thought it would be a dog whistle.

Mr. Trump didn’t use dog whistles, he used bull horns.

550
gocart mozart  Nov 23, 2016 • 11:08:53am

re: #535 Anymouse

Other than that, those tax forms will remain just as secret as your tax forms.

Is there a patriotic whistleblower at the IRS who can do his/her country proud?

551
freetoken  Nov 23, 2016 • 11:09:13am

re: #548 Sir John Barron

Trump is looking for token non-white-folk so he can pretend he’s not a bigot.

552
Big Beautiful Door  Nov 23, 2016 • 11:09:19am

re: #466 Targetpractice

“School choice” is about as Orwellian as you can get without quoting directly from his works. There is no choice, there’s the illusion of choice when the reality is that the government is not going to cut a check big enough to make a real difference to millions of poor Americans. But they will make a huge difference to the profit margins of diploma mills that will sprout up like weeds to suck up all those checks.

With the extra bonus that those schools with be staffed by non-union teachers; the GOP is always looking for ways to break unions.

553
Sir John Barron  Nov 23, 2016 • 11:09:32am

re: #548 Sir John Barron

A couple of these appointments seem designed to get people out of the way: Haley for UN, Carson for HUD. Either might still choose to challenge Trump in 2020. But it looks to me like he’s attempting to head them off potential opponents, particularly Haley.

With Carson, I doubt Trump fears Carson would actually run against him in 2020, but it’s a way to keep Carson in the fold, rather than him being off somewhere, setting up some kind of “conservative network” or whatever the good doctor was talking about.

554
allegro  Nov 23, 2016 • 11:11:42am

re: #551 freetoken

Trump is looking for token non-white-folk so he can pretend he’s not a bigot.

So he’s found one black guy and one woman, both of whom are unqualified and unprepared for the jobs. Nice way to “prove” minorities and women are incompetent so governmenting needs to be left to the old white guys, amirite?

555
Sir John Barron  Nov 23, 2016 • 11:12:29am

re: #554 allegro

So he’s found one black guy and one woman, both of whom are unqualified and unprepared for the jobs. Nice way to “prove” minorities and women are incompetent so governmenting needs to be left to the old white guys, amirite?

“At least” Trump isn’t nominating Carson for HHS. That would be far worse, IMO.

556
Anymouse  Nov 23, 2016 • 11:13:24am

Newt Gingrich seems to think Jared Kushner could get around the anti-nepotism law and serve directly in the upcoming minority administration.

politico.com

More at Politico:

“I think they would have to get a waiver to the anti-nepotism law,” Gingrich, a longtime Trump surrogate, said on “Fox and Friends” on Wednesday. “That might be a little tricky, although I think if they worked at it, they could do it.”

Trump reignited the speculation over Kushner’s role in his administration when Trump floated the possibility that the 35-year-old could become a key broker for peace talks during an interview with the New York Times on Tuesday.

“I would love to be able to be the one that made peace with Israel and the Palestinians,” Trump said. He added that Kushner “would be very good” at such a job, and that “he knows the region.”

Congress passed the anti-nepotism law in 1967, possibly motivated by President Kennedy’s nomination of his brother Robert to become attorney general, but the law appears to apply to government posts far below the Cabinet level. Legal experts say Kushner’s appointment to a senior White House role would most likely trigger a debate over the statute. Kushner could be protected, however, by an obscure passage from a 1990s federal court decision related to Hillary Clinton’s role in trying to pass health-care reform.

Calling him one of the “smartest people I’ve worked with,” [ GAG ]Gingrich praised how Kushner, whose experience, like Trump, is primarily in real estate, could add a fresh perspective to peace negotiations.

557
Big Beautiful Door  Nov 23, 2016 • 11:13:45am

re: #523 harlequinade

Everyone, but particularly Lawhawk, help me out with this one:

Every day we see … let’s say irregularities. Ivanka on calls with PE. Is that legal? Is that a mishandling of potentially confidential material, if she doesn’t have clearance?
If she does - what about his business? Is that legal?
As PE, can someone FOI his tax return?

But - more importantly, I see talk about “Congress won’t…” and “The GOP haven’t the spine to…” Can a private citizen? Can someone say “this act, that has been reported, is in violation of these things, I want to bring charges”? Is that a thing that can’t happen?

What _can_ The People do?

Vote his ass out of office in 2020.

558
gocart mozart  Nov 23, 2016 • 11:14:08am
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allegro  Nov 23, 2016 • 11:14:31am

re: #555 Sir John Barron

“At least” Trump isn’t nominating Carson for HHS. That would be far worse, IMO.

I dunno. Who has Trump put forth at HHS? There’s more barrel bottom to scrape I suspect.

560
Sir John Barron  Nov 23, 2016 • 11:15:57am

re: #559 allegro

I dunno. Who has Trump put forth at HHS? There’s more barrel bottom to scrape I suspect.

Well that’s the trouble, isn’t it? There’s so much bad floating around the GOP, any pick for HHS is liable to really be horrible.

561
Feline Fearless Leader  Nov 23, 2016 • 11:19:18am

re: #537 freetoken

The problem with ships in the 21st century is that they are easy targets. If one can’t make a ship stealthy then any technological savvy enemy will be able to neutralize it.

The existence of the Zumwalt is an admission by the Navy that the 21st century offers tremendous challenges to any Navy fighting a battle against an militarily advanced foe.

And spending some effort researching the next step in naval developments* is something the US should do if it intends on remaining a global power. Naval units is probably the most dependable means of force projection since it does not require foreign basing rights, over water navigation is not simple and often trained, etc. And it has proven useful in the previous small conflicts since World War II.

* - Better means of protecting against detection and attacks from submarines, aircraft, etc. Thus work towards stealthier ships, more automation (allowing smaller crews), better defense/offense (stuff like railguns), etc.

And you see projects like this “between wars” were there are prototypes, one-off designs, etc. as various things are tried out. For instance, look at US submarine design work in the 1920s-30s as they worked through and towards the technologies necessary for a working “fleet boat”. Series of designs under a limited budget that looked at different sizes and tasks, engines, targeting computers (TDCs), air conditioning, etc. (And you also get the complete clusterf*ck that was the Mark 14 torpedo and its magnetic exploder.)

562
Unshaken Defiance  Nov 23, 2016 • 11:20:12am

Photo Break? Caught this morning at 7:30.

Flickr

563
lawhawk  Nov 23, 2016 • 11:22:00am

re: #559 allegro

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allegro  Nov 23, 2016 • 11:23:04am

Maybe, okay likely, I’m naive but are there really not just a few sensible Republicans in Congress who see this catastrophe in the works and will vote with Democrats to stop it or at least slow it down?

565
The Vicious Babushka  Nov 23, 2016 • 11:24:44am

Um, Gerald Ford?

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freetoken  Nov 23, 2016 • 11:26:04am

re: #564 allegro

Who knows what is going on in the minds of the never-Trump Republicans in Congress right now.

What I have noticed is how quiet they have been. Hardly a peep from anyone except Ryan.

567
Big Beautiful Door  Nov 23, 2016 • 11:26:27am

re: #564 allegro

Maybe, okay likely, I’m naive but are there really not just a few sensible Republicans in Congress who see this catastrophe in the works and will vote with Democrats to stop it or at least slow it down?

There are some who have made encouraging sounds, like suggesting healthcare reform and tax reform need to proceed on a bipartisan basis, rather than just shoving through the zombie-eyed granny starver’s Randian fantasies.

568
Patricia Kayden  Nov 23, 2016 • 11:27:32am

re: #556 Anymouse

Who in their right mind believes that Trump could negotiate “peace” anywhere, especially in the Middle East? I can’t even laugh at the ridiculousness of that suggestion.

569
allegro  Nov 23, 2016 • 11:28:30am

re: #568 Patricia Kayden

Who in their right mind believes that Trump could negotiate “peace” anywhere, especially in the Middle East? I can’t even laugh at the ridiculousness of that suggestion.

I think they just want “piece”.

570
Sir John Barron  Nov 23, 2016 • 11:31:02am

re: #565 The Vicious Babushka

Um, Gerald Ford?

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I see what you did there.

571
Feline Fearless Leader  Nov 23, 2016 • 11:31:04am

re: #568 Patricia Kayden

Who in their right mind believes that Trump could negotiate “peace” anywhere, especially in the Middle East? I can’t even laugh at the ridiculousness of that suggestion.

I was actually thinking that the silver lining of the Trump Administration was that we might have a POTUS who was not going to spend any resources chasing that unicorn.

Though I don’t think Obama ever went down the rabbit hole either.

572
Myron Falwell (no relation)  Nov 23, 2016 • 11:31:50am

re: #566 freetoken

Who knows what is going on in the minds of the never-Trump Republicans in Congress right now.

What I have noticed is how quiet they have been. Hardly a peep from anyone except Ryan.

Despite their red-hat unity, the Republican majorities easily could turn out to be a dumpster fire in their own right. Who knows.

573
Anymouse  Nov 23, 2016 • 11:36:58am

re: #564 allegro

Maybe, okay likely, I’m naive but are there really not just a few sensible Republicans in Congress who see this catastrophe in the works and will vote with Democrats to stop it or at least slow it down?

I can think of my own senator, Ben Sasse. Any other sensible Republicans?

574
Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 23, 2016 • 11:46:14am

re: #573 Anymouse

I can think of my own senator, Ben Sasse. Any other sensible Republicans?

Rand Paul will oppose any nomination because that’s what Rand Paul does.

575
Anymouse  Nov 23, 2016 • 11:57:06am

re: #574 Backwoods_Sleuth

Rand Paul will oppose any nomination because that’s what Rand Paul does.

I don’t think Sen. Paul would oppose a nominee who wants to do the same things he does.

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William Lewis  Nov 23, 2016 • 12:12:50pm

re: #500 Feline Fearless Leader

So Jerry Pournelle was just off by a few years on when the Co-Dominium was going to form.

I still say Heinlein was off by only 4 years for Nehemiah Pence.


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