Fidel Castro Dies at Age 90

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The Miami Herald’s obituary for Fidel Castro is the most complete and unflinching picture of his life I’ve seen so far: Former Cuban President Fidel Castro dead at age 90.

Fidel Castro, who towered over his Caribbean island for nearly five decades, a shaggy-bearded figure in combat fatigues whose long shadow spread across Latin America and the world, is dead at age 90. His brother Raul announced the death late Friday night.

Millions cheered Fidel Castro on the day he entered Havana. Millions more fled the communist dictator’s repressive police state, leaving behind their possessions, their families, the island they loved and often their very lives. It’s part of the paradox of Castro that many people belonged to both groups.

Few national leaders have inspired such intense loyalty — or such a wrenching feeling of betrayal. Few fired the hearts of the world’s restless youth as Castro did when he was young, and few seemed so irrelevant as Castro when he was old — the last Communist, railing on the empty, decrepit street corner that Cuba became under his rule.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 26, 2016 • 11:31:48am
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PhillyPretzel  Nov 26, 2016 • 11:34:14am

re: #1 Backwoods_Sleuth

Our friend Gus has a way with words.

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Myron Falwell (no relation)  Nov 26, 2016 • 11:38:31am

JFC.

State government LEOs in potential armed combat with unarmed protesters and veterans (who are planning to deploy themselves in that area the day before said eviction notice)… this is a powder keg ready to explode well beyond North Dakota.

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Nov 26, 2016 • 11:42:03am

Trump Resisting Calls To Make Giuliani Secretary Of Snakes

cites conflict of interest over many decisions regarding other reptilian species

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Charles Johnson  Nov 26, 2016 • 11:46:19am
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unproven innocence  Nov 26, 2016 • 11:48:09am

Saw him as guest on Meet The Press with Huntley, Brinkley, etc (live TV news/talk) when I was young.

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Dave In Austin  Nov 26, 2016 • 11:50:29am

Morning all…. WTF has he said now. I just woke up. There must be something?

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Nov 26, 2016 • 11:50:52am

and i’m so tired of reich wingers getting their rocks off imagining that progressives would somehow idolize a dictator who threw his critics into jail

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Thanos  Nov 26, 2016 • 11:55:04am

Andy Garcia was really ham handed with his movie “The Lost City” about what happened to clubs, music, and musicians in Cuba post Castro, but there is a tale there to tell.

imdb.com

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Charles Johnson  Nov 26, 2016 • 11:55:40am

Our new president-elect shows once again how different he is from President Obama.

We are so fucked with Trump in the White House.

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nines09  Nov 26, 2016 • 11:59:40am

re: #10 Charles Johnson

America The Clod.

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Charles Johnson  Nov 26, 2016 • 12:00:40pm
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Dave In Austin  Nov 26, 2016 • 12:03:36pm

re: #12 Charles Johnson

Has Vegas started taking odds on first blood out of the new administration? I believe he will be spending our young blood within a year if not sooner.

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Dave In Austin  Nov 26, 2016 • 12:06:04pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 26, 2016 • 12:06:41pm

re: #10 Charles Johnson

Our new president-elect shows once again how different he is from President Obama.

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We are so fucked with Trump in the White House.

How long did it take Trump’s handlers to come up with that statement after his “statesmanly” tweet six hours ago?

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Nov 26, 2016 • 12:07:41pm

re: #13 Dave In Austin

Has Vegas started taking odds on first blood out of the new administration? I believe he will be spending our young blood within a year if not sooner.

he’s sure to bomb something straightaway he takes office just to make a point

if the entire administration is collectively stupid enough to send boots on the ground in is imho an open question

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 26, 2016 • 12:07:46pm
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retired cynic  Nov 26, 2016 • 12:09:47pm

re: #10 Charles Johnson

Our new president-elect shows once again how different he is from President Obama.

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We are so fucked with Trump in the White House.

Me Me Me Me Me Me Me Me Me Me

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 26, 2016 • 12:11:40pm
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makeitstop  Nov 26, 2016 • 12:12:40pm

re: #10 Charles Johnson

Our new president-elect shows once again how different he is from President Obama.

We are so fucked with Trump in the White House.

Just one non-stop appeal to fear and anger.

My greatest fear is that Americans as a whole will become conditioned, and this will be the new normal.

To a degree, it’s happened already.

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Myron Falwell (no relation)  Nov 26, 2016 • 12:15:48pm

re: #20 makeitstop

Just one non-stop appeal to fear and anger.

My greatest fear is that Americans as a whole will become conditioned, and this will be the new normal.

To a degree, it’s happened already.

It happened to the RWNJs with talk radio and Fox “News” as early as 25 years ago.

As for everyone else? Who knows.

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PhillyPretzel  Nov 26, 2016 • 12:17:02pm

WSJ: Cuban Strongman Fidel Castro Dies

NYT: Fidel Castro, Revolutionary Cuban Who Defied U.S., Dies at 90.

In this case I prefer the NYT. That title says it all.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 26, 2016 • 12:17:21pm
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Myron Falwell (no relation)  Nov 26, 2016 • 12:17:55pm

re: #16 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

if the entire administration is collectively stupid enough to send boots on the ground in is imho an open question

With theocrat nuts like Pence, et al, desiring a modern-day crusade? I wouldn’t put it past them.

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Nyet  Nov 26, 2016 • 12:23:02pm

re: #1 Backwoods_Sleuth

Corbyn is an appeaser, as always.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 26, 2016 • 12:24:54pm

re: #25 Nyet

Corbyn is an appeaser, as always.

Gerry Adams is heavily laying on the Putin love today, as well.

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Nyet  Nov 26, 2016 • 12:25:16pm

There are some people in the world to whom de mortuis nihil nisi bonum doesn’t apply.
Dictators are a subset.

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Nyet  Nov 26, 2016 • 12:25:53pm

re: #26 Backwoods_Sleuth

Gerry Adams is heavily laying on the Putin love today, as well.

Nationalist. Figures.

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Nyet  Nov 26, 2016 • 12:26:09pm

Fuck nationalism.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 26, 2016 • 12:26:09pm

re: #26 Backwoods_Sleuth

Gerry Adams is heavily laying on the Putin love today, as well.

Oh, I meant Fidel, but Putin works too…

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 26, 2016 • 12:28:43pm
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Shiplord Kirel  Nov 26, 2016 • 12:36:31pm

Lubbock’s Mr. Conservative weighs in.
Gee, I thought we had all retreated to our puppy-equipped safe rooms to mourn the passing of Uncle Fidel.

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goddamnedfrank  Nov 26, 2016 • 12:37:13pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 26, 2016 • 12:40:53pm
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PhillyPretzel  Nov 26, 2016 • 12:40:58pm

re: #33 goddamnedfrank

lol

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PhillyPretzel  Nov 26, 2016 • 12:42:50pm

re: #34 Backwoods_Sleuth

“This is a scam…” Only another con-man would know.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 26, 2016 • 12:43:40pm

re: #36 PhillyPretzel

“This is a scam…” Only another con-man would know.

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KGxvi  Nov 26, 2016 • 12:43:54pm

On the one hand, fuck Fidel. On the other, no really fuck him.

He took everything from my family (and yes, I’m well aware of the irony that I would not exist but for Castro). I have zero respect for anyone that looks at him and sees a hero. None.

His death brings me no joy. And one one level, I kind of wish he would have lived long enough to see fully normalized relations with the US and the return of capitalism to Cuba

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Charles Johnson  Nov 26, 2016 • 12:47:26pm
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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Nov 26, 2016 • 12:48:06pm

by one calculation a full 1% of the entire population were employed as prostitutes in batista’s havana in the 50s. many more profited from the prostitution industry

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Nov 26, 2016 • 12:48:55pm

re: #39 Charles Johnson

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“hi brow”

well la di da di da!

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Nyet  Nov 26, 2016 • 12:50:11pm

re: #34 Backwoods_Sleuth

I know it’s opportunistic… but it makes me more in favor of the recount.

(I was already in favor.)

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Nyet  Nov 26, 2016 • 12:50:43pm

re: #38 KGxvi

On the one hand, fuck Fidel. On the other, no really fuck him.

He took everything from my family (and yes, I’m well aware of the irony that I would not exist but for Castro). I have zero respect for anyone that looks at him and sees a hero. None.

His death brings me no joy. And one one level, I kind of wish he would have lived long enough to see fully normalized relations with the US and the return of capitalism to Cuba

Yep.

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makeitstop  Nov 26, 2016 • 12:54:21pm

re: #41 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

“hi brow”

well la di da di da!

Makin’ with those hi-brow conservative salutes.
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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Nov 26, 2016 • 12:55:59pm

“This is a scam by the Green Party for an election that has already been conceded, and the results of this election should be respected instead of being challenged and abused, which is exactly what Jill Stein is doing,” the president-elect added.

as usual trump manages to sound terrified of any criticism or oversight

4 - 8 years of incessant mosquito whining?

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goddamnedfrank  Nov 26, 2016 • 12:56:25pm
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PhillyPretzel  Nov 26, 2016 • 12:57:34pm

re: #46 goddamnedfrank

I remember him on Barney Miller. He was very good.

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KGxvi  Nov 26, 2016 • 12:58:59pm

re: #46 goddamnedfrank

Had Firefy been allowed to run its course, the season long secondary story arch of Shepherd Book’s back story would have been amazing

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Charles Johnson  Nov 26, 2016 • 1:05:32pm

re: #38 KGxvi

Agreed. He’ll get no eulogy from me, either. And America now has its own Castro, a repressive authoritarian with dictatorial aspirations.

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Charles Johnson  Nov 26, 2016 • 1:06:18pm

Meanwhile, this fucking asshole…

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A Cranky One  Nov 26, 2016 • 1:07:11pm

So I’ve heard of a “turducken”, but next Thanksgiving I may decide to fix a “turalien”.

Instructions at:Boing Boing

Yah, I’m a sick puppy. ;-)

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PhillyPretzel  Nov 26, 2016 • 1:07:22pm

re: #50 Charles Johnson

I see we are going to have a lot of cases of pot and kettle.

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Charles Johnson  Nov 26, 2016 • 1:08:22pm
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PhillyPretzel  Nov 26, 2016 • 1:08:26pm

re: #51 A Cranky One

I rather have a turducken. At least I know what it is.

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A Cranky One  Nov 26, 2016 • 1:11:00pm

re: #54 PhillyPretzel

I rather have a turducken. At least I know what it is.

Well, a turalien might at least put an end to political discussions during the dinner. ;-)

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Charles Johnson  Nov 26, 2016 • 1:15:10pm
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makeitstop  Nov 26, 2016 • 1:15:35pm

I just heard this on the radio. It could almost be the Trump mob’s theme song.

King Crimson - Easy Money

Your admirers on the street
Gotta hoot and stamp their feet
In the heat from your physique
As you twinkle by mocassin sneakers

And I thought my heart would break
When you doubled up the stake
With your fingers all a shake
You could never tell a winner from a snake
But you always make money

Easy Money
With your figure and your face
Strutting out at every race
Throw a glass around the place
Show the colour of your crimson suspenders

We would take the money home
Sit around the family throne
My old dog could chew his bone
For two weeks we could appease the Almighty

Got to truck with the la-di-da
Keep my bread in an old fruit jar
Drive you out in a motor-car
Getting fat on your lucky star just making

Easy Money

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makeitstop  Nov 26, 2016 • 1:17:20pm

re: #53 Charles Johnson

Amusing to see liberals eulogising Fidel Castro

Most liberals I know are not doing that, but why work against your Twitter agenda, Piers?

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wrenchwench  Nov 26, 2016 • 1:24:57pm
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Dave In Austin  Nov 26, 2016 • 1:32:33pm
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Timothy Watson  Nov 26, 2016 • 1:33:10pm

re: #46 goddamnedfrank

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I take a nap and wake up to that.

Fuck 2016.

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Charles Johnson  Nov 26, 2016 • 1:37:06pm

re: #58 makeitstop

Most liberals I know are not doing that, but why work against your Twitter agenda, Piers?

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Dave In Austin  Nov 26, 2016 • 1:37:22pm

And then the actual Schtupids chime in. From TX of course.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Nov 26, 2016 • 1:40:13pm

re: #63 Dave In Austin

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Myron Falwell (no relation)  Nov 26, 2016 • 1:44:08pm
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William Lewis  Nov 26, 2016 • 1:46:09pm

re: #64 GlutenFreeJesus

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More like our own Batista: a corrupt crook & crook enabling thug who came to power via getting elected on on populist platform. Hopefully it won’t take a Castro to rid us of the Thief In Chief.

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Charles Johnson  Nov 26, 2016 • 1:48:08pm
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GlutenFreeJesus  Nov 26, 2016 • 1:48:19pm

re: #65 Myron Falwell (no relation)

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Timothy Watson  Nov 26, 2016 • 1:50:06pm

re: #67 Charles Johnson

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Also, most unoriginal as my Facebook wall would prove.

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goddamnedfrank  Nov 26, 2016 • 1:53:50pm
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Sionainn, the Nasty Devilbitch  Nov 26, 2016 • 1:54:56pm

Regarding SteelPH

He’s doing much better, working on his art, and staying away from politics for now. Thought you’d all like to know. I miss him.

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makeitstop  Nov 26, 2016 • 1:56:19pm

re: #71 Sionainn, the Nasty Devilbitch

Regarding SteelPH

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Thanks for the update.

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wrenchwench  Nov 26, 2016 • 1:57:03pm

re: #71 Sionainn, the Nasty Devilbitch

Regarding SteelPH

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Thanks for fetching the news.

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wrenchwench  Nov 26, 2016 • 1:58:20pm
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retired cynic  Nov 26, 2016 • 2:00:40pm

washingtonpost.com

Good opinion piece.

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Single-handed sailor  Nov 26, 2016 • 2:01:16pm

Wikipedia - As of April 2014, 17 states either have not yet formally repealed their laws against sexual activity among consenting adults, or have not revised them to accurately reflect their true scope in the aftermath of Lawrence v. Texas. Often, the sodomy law was drafted to also encompass other forms of sexual conduct such as bestiality, and no attempt has subsequently succeeded in separating them. Thirteen states’ statutes purport to ban all forms of sodomy, some including oral intercourse, regardless of the participants’ genders: Alabama, Florida, Georgia, Idaho, Louisiana, Maryland, Massachusetts, Michigan, Minnesota, Mississippi, North Carolina, Oklahoma, South Carolina, and Utah. Three states specifically target their statutes at same-sex relations only: Kansas,[17][18] Kentucky, and Texas.

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makeitstop  Nov 26, 2016 • 2:04:29pm

re: #62 Charles Johnson

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Does Jesse Ventura count?

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PhillyPretzel  Nov 26, 2016 • 2:04:50pm

re: #71 Sionainn, the Nasty Devilbitch

Thanks. I was wondering where he was.

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Charles Johnson  Nov 26, 2016 • 2:10:17pm
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Timothy Watson  Nov 26, 2016 • 2:12:06pm

re: #79 Charles Johnson

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Anytime Shapiro opens his mouth he should be immediately questioned about “Friends of HAMAS”.

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Dave In Austin  Nov 26, 2016 • 2:14:02pm

Did Issa lose his race?

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Charles Johnson  Nov 26, 2016 • 2:14:03pm

re: #77 makeitstop

Does Jesse Ventura count?

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I’m not sure what Jesse Ventura is, but he ain’t no liberal.

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makeitstop  Nov 26, 2016 • 2:18:59pm

re: #82 Charles Johnson

I’m not sure what Jesse Ventura is, but he ain’t no liberal.

OTOH, he’s about the only person from either side I’ve seen actually eulogizing Uncle Fidel.

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PhillyPretzel  Nov 26, 2016 • 2:19:45pm

re: #77 makeitstop

Hmm. Maybe Gov Ventura has had a few too many body slams.

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Myron Falwell (no relation)  Nov 26, 2016 • 2:21:05pm

re: #79 Charles Johnson

Baby Whiplash’s “renouncement” has been disingenuous at best.

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Myron Falwell (no relation)  Nov 26, 2016 • 2:22:42pm

re: #77 makeitstop

Does Jesse Ventura count?

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Pretty much.
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Belafon  Nov 26, 2016 • 2:31:24pm

re: #75 retired cynic

On the left, a lot of people don’t want to acknowledge they fell for it. More disturbing, though, is the fact that those on the right are OK with it because they won.

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Charles Johnson  Nov 26, 2016 • 2:31:30pm

Just when I was starting to get ready to acknowledge she was doing something good for once, she reverts to her usual assholishness.

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allegro  Nov 26, 2016 • 2:35:46pm

re: #88 Charles Johnson

Just when I was starting to get ready to acknowledge she was doing something good for once, she reverts to her usual assholishness.

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Sooo Stein is the one who’s doing it for democracy (so she sez) but Hillary is anti-democracy for saying cool, go for it. O_o

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 26, 2016 • 2:39:54pm

She still doesn’t know how Google works…

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Timothy Watson  Nov 26, 2016 • 2:42:19pm

re: #90 Backwoods_Sleuth

She still doesn’t know how Google works…

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Can’t use Google, owned by an evil corporation. They have to use freerangewebsearch DOT com.

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Myron Falwell (no relation)  Nov 26, 2016 • 2:47:52pm

re: #88 Charles Johnson

Just when I was starting to get ready to acknowledge she was doing something good for once, she reverts to her usual assholishness.

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Anything to keep her street crud with the A—hole Bros, I guess.

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BigPapa  Nov 26, 2016 • 2:48:02pm

Been reading her TL:

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BigPapa  Nov 26, 2016 • 2:51:16pm

I’m ambivalent that there was any real hacking or widespread voter fraud. The more unnerving is the legal fraud: voter ID and gerrymandering. That’s where the real work is.

But the disinformation campaign this election is shocking. It appears nobody is leading to get to the bottom of it.

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Jebediah, RBG  Nov 26, 2016 • 2:53:10pm

re: #71 Sionainn, the Nasty Devilbitch

Thanks

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Charles Johnson  Nov 26, 2016 • 2:55:46pm
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GlutenFreeJesus  Nov 26, 2016 • 3:02:43pm

re: #88 Charles Johnson

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jaunte  Nov 26, 2016 • 3:03:55pm
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freetoken  Nov 26, 2016 • 3:07:02pm

re: #82 Charles Johnson

I’m not sure what Jesse Ventura is, but he ain’t no liberal.

Ventura is quite the opportunist. He’ll go on Alex Jones one moment, then turn around and speak highly of people about whom the likes of Jones rant endlessly.

I asserted yesterday that we are in a WWE universe now. The carny will say anything to get the seats filled for the show, even if that means flipping positions tomorrow to fill seats in another town.

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Charles Johnson  Nov 26, 2016 • 3:07:44pm
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Charles Johnson  Nov 26, 2016 • 3:12:55pm

Instagram

That moment before the handshake as the President congratulates Bruce Springsteen prior to today’s Medal of Freedom ceremony. @springsteen

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freetoken  Nov 26, 2016 • 3:19:45pm

Didn’t see a lot about this:

PUTIN GIVES STEVEN SEAGAL RUSSIAN PASSPORT

Russia’s President Vladimir Putin shakes hands with American actor Steven Seagal during a meeting at the Kremlin in Moscow, Russia, November 25, 2016. Putin presented a Russian passport to Seagal on Friday and said he hoped it would serve as a symbol of how the fractious ties between Moscow and Washington are starting to improve.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 26, 2016 • 3:20:15pm

Well I saw my Facebook and shocker not one liberal is “mourning” Castro. If the right wants to play that game, I’ll happily point out that Margaret Thatcher wanted the Brits to give Pinochet exile in Chile. Castro was a dictator. End of story. And yes there is something funny about the conservatives who pretend to be outraged by his homophobia ignoring that Castro’s homophobic policies mirror what many of htem want to do.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 26, 2016 • 3:21:18pm

re: #82 Charles Johnson

I’m not sure what Jesse Ventura is, but he ain’t no liberal.

He’s a CT nutjob. Never been a liberal at all. Some people on the left just wrongly thought he had some common ground due to his opposition to Bush era FP.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 26, 2016 • 3:22:05pm

re: #103 freetoken

Didn’t Seagal make a movie that started off like this?

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Timothy Watson  Nov 26, 2016 • 3:22:37pm

re: #105 HappyWarrior

He’s a CT nutjob. Never been a liberal at all. Some people on the left just wrongly thought he had some common ground due to his opposition to Bush era FP.

I remember when the GOP loved him because he wouldn’t appoint a Democrat to replace Paul Wellstone in the Senate.

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wrenchwench  Nov 26, 2016 • 3:23:19pm

[…]

But beyond those facts, it turns out Bearden, of Colorado Springs, has a detailed history as a racer that is helping answers the questions presented by transgender women in cycling and athletics in general.

Under the name Jonathan Bearden in 2012, she was a Category 1 racer on the verge of turning professional when Bearden started grappling with gender questions and, as she put it, “found myself.”

[…]

The most informative article I’ve seen on a topic of long interest.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 26, 2016 • 3:23:44pm

re: #107 Timothy Watson

I remember when the GOP loved him because he wouldn’t appoint a Democrat to replace Paul Wellstone in the Senate.

Yep. On the flip side, I remember when conservatives acted like Ron Paul was a liberal since he was against Bush FP.

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freetoken  Nov 26, 2016 • 3:25:05pm

re: #106 Eclectic Cyborg

I’m sort of concluding that our society has been so anesthetized that what are clear and obvious statements and actions that ought to cause some serious questioning… are just being ignored.

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Charles Johnson  Nov 26, 2016 • 3:30:04pm
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PhillyPretzel  Nov 26, 2016 • 3:38:42pm

re: #111 Charles Johnson

That reminds me of a fellow English major in college. He had been published by several local newspapers and the Philadelphia Inquirer wanted to “teach him how to write real news.” He listened to their offers and then walked away. All he said to me is that the “Inky” had everything backwards.

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wrenchwench  Nov 26, 2016 • 3:43:28pm
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PhillyPretzel  Nov 26, 2016 • 3:44:06pm

re: #113 wrenchwench

That is a lovely sunset. :)

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Charles Johnson  Nov 26, 2016 • 3:49:38pm

Instagram

The classic TV sitcom “Skullfeld”

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Charles Johnson  Nov 26, 2016 • 3:52:27pm

Instagram

June 2012. Chicago.

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darthstar  Nov 26, 2016 • 3:52:48pm

Went to the Sacramento River Delta yesterday and spent a night on a friend’s houseboat. Driving through Black Friday traffic sucked and with the rain today 580 looked like the same shit-show it was yesterday so I showed my wife the still amazingly lightly traveled Altamont Pass Rd - this is where the Rolling Stones had a big concert forty-something years ago.

Look at all that traffic.

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wrenchwench  Nov 26, 2016 • 3:53:00pm

It’s a crinoid.

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Charles Johnson  Nov 26, 2016 • 4:01:59pm

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PhillyPretzel  Nov 26, 2016 • 4:03:14pm

re: #119 Charles Johnson

It looks like he needs a change.

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darthstar  Nov 26, 2016 • 4:09:47pm
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wrenchwench  Nov 26, 2016 • 4:10:00pm

Whew. No pineapple.

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Charles Johnson  Nov 26, 2016 • 4:11:01pm

re: #122 wrenchwench

BLASPHEMY

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TedStriker  Nov 26, 2016 • 4:12:50pm

re: #122 wrenchwench

Whew. No pineapple.

*hurls*

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jaunte  Nov 26, 2016 • 4:12:53pm

re: #122 wrenchwench

“Convenience store in a crust.”

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wrenchwench  Nov 26, 2016 • 4:13:02pm

re: #123 Charles Johnson

BLASPHEMY

It has that.

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Timothy Watson  Nov 26, 2016 • 4:14:27pm

re: #122 wrenchwench

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Whew. No pineapple.

I agree with Trump now that we need to get rid of our free-trade deal with South Korea. We don’t want stuff like that infiltrating into our country.

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jaunte  Nov 26, 2016 • 4:14:28pm

I’ve never considered grape jam and mayo on a hot dog, but 2016 isn’t over.

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freetoken  Nov 26, 2016 • 4:17:52pm

Lots of accommodationism going on for the new bigotry. Media corporations are, of course, in business to make money and that means selling advertisements and that means making sure not to turn off possible viewers/readers.

Trump has successfully staged an ideological coup over the entrenched NY-DC axis of talking heads. Not only did the media corporations do his bidding before the election, because he was good for ratings, they are now sanitizing the very nature of the likes of Bannon, the past statements and actions of Trump, Flynn, and the like.

I’m not surprised at America’s sudden lurch to the hate-right. There are libraries of writers who have expounded on America’s tendencies towards fascism, racism, and most of all fundamentalism. So none of this is new.

Still, it’s discouraging. Where I live I can walk around and realize that I’m in a group of people who are pretty much a society unto ourselves out here. San Diego is a mixed lot and a recent melting pot. The majority of people around here, by far, did not vote for Trump. But I can see from the national data that there are regions of this country where Trump got over two thirds of the vote, or even more. I’m sure any single voter can justify their vote by some elaborate mental gymnastics, but I doubt most of them even do that.

This election was about some very, very deeply seated emotions and prejudices.

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wrenchwench  Nov 26, 2016 • 4:22:32pm

re: #128 jaunte

I’ve never considered grape jam and mayo on a hot dog, but 2016 isn’t over.

Stranger things keep happening.

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freetoken  Nov 26, 2016 • 4:23:33pm

re: #130 wrenchwench

Stranger things keep happening.

If I had a time machine, I’d go back to try and make sure 2016 turned out a whole lot different.

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FormerDirtDart  Nov 26, 2016 • 4:25:51pm

Well, we all knew there would be a third…

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wrenchwench  Nov 26, 2016 • 4:27:12pm

re: #131 freetoken

If I had a time machine, I’d go back to try and make sure 2016 turned out a whole lot different.

Personally, I’d have to work on one day in 2014.

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Jack Burton  Nov 26, 2016 • 4:27:57pm

re: #122 wrenchwench

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Whew. No pineapple.

ABOMINATION!

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wrenchwench  Nov 26, 2016 • 4:28:57pm

re: #134 Jack Burton

ABOMINATION!

It has that. Several flavors.

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Dave In Austin  Nov 26, 2016 • 4:29:27pm

re: #103 freetoken

Didn’t see a lot about this:

PUTIN GIVES STEVEN SEAGAL RUSSIAN PASSPORT

Cannot be unseen……

Steven Seagal dances lezginka

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darthstar  Nov 26, 2016 • 4:32:01pm
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Jack Burton  Nov 26, 2016 • 4:33:11pm

re: #133 wrenchwench

Personally, I’d have to work on one day in 2014.

One day in 2011. Would save me thousands of dollars in legal fees and losing the house I was trying to buy.

Then sit down and have a very long chat with myself a few months later about my next relationship and how to not fuck it up no matter how great it seems to be going. Including Admiral Ackbar memes for good measure.

Then I’d whip out the Election results videos and show to someone in the DNC and say “FIX THIS, BEFORE WERE DOOMED!”

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teleskiguy  Nov 26, 2016 • 4:36:19pm
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teleskiguy  Nov 26, 2016 • 4:37:04pm

re: #133 wrenchwench

Personally, I’d have to work on one day in 2014.

We’re all glad you’re still around!

:)

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teleskiguy  Nov 26, 2016 • 4:39:24pm

Donald has the gall to call Democrats “badly defeated” when we’re witnessing quite possibly the most disparate popular vote/electoral college call in our nation’s history. 2.1 million more people voted for Hillary than Donald, and counting.

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wrenchwench  Nov 26, 2016 • 4:42:19pm

re: #140 teleskiguy

We’re all glad you’re still around!

:)

Thanks, me too. Even when it feels like I’m on a bouncy, swinging pedestrian suspension bridge that needs some retensioning. Which is whenever I walk. Here I go! Later, lizards.

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FormerDirtDart  Nov 26, 2016 • 4:48:26pm

What the hell have we humans done to the animals on this planet?

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prairiefire  Nov 26, 2016 • 4:52:17pm

re: #129 freetoken

Please stick around here for the next 4 years, your posts help in interpreting the zeitgeist quite a bit.

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Charles Johnson  Nov 26, 2016 • 4:55:59pm

This is how pizza should be.

Imgur

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Charles Johnson  Nov 26, 2016 • 4:56:30pm

Hmm. Imgur galleries are suddenly no worky.

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jeffreyw  Nov 26, 2016 • 5:03:35pm
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Charles Johnson  Nov 26, 2016 • 5:04:33pm

Let’s try that again…

Imgur

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Charles Johnson  Nov 26, 2016 • 5:04:55pm

There we go.

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jaunte  Nov 26, 2016 • 5:05:23pm

re: #147 jeffreyw

re: #148 Charles Johnson

That’s more like it!

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darthstar  Nov 26, 2016 • 5:06:38pm

Our kitten, Eartha, has many nicknames. One of them is Assholetta. She bites our other cat, Craig, who is trying his best to love her and have her love him back, and then when he leaves the couch in frustration she takes over his spot.

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Joe Bacon  Nov 26, 2016 • 5:07:50pm

re: #122 wrenchwench

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Whew. No pineapple.

I live in the Koreatown section of Los Angeles. That pizza is mild compared to others! One of the places serves “The Grand Sea Feast” with squid, calamari and mussels topped with kimchi…

…no pineapple…

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darthstar  Nov 26, 2016 • 5:07:52pm

re: #146 Charles Johnson

Hmm. Imgur galleries are suddenly no worky.

Worked for me. That’s one big cheeseball.

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darthstar  Nov 26, 2016 • 5:08:50pm

re: #151 darthstar

She’s got a long fuckin’ tail.

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William Lewis  Nov 26, 2016 • 5:11:09pm

So, looking for something else, and found this really cool video. It’s really just an ad for his signature Telecaster but the stuff about people he played with and how and why he did things makes this little love note to a single type of guitar well worth the 20 minutes I think. Hope fully the guitar players will enjoy it.

GE Smith on the Telecaster.

The G.E. Smith Telecaster®

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Scottishdragon  Nov 26, 2016 • 5:11:51pm

re: #1 Backwoods_Sleuth

Eric Loomis at LGM pressing a similar line:

Sure Fidel Castro was bad for gays but REAGAN WAS GENOCIDAL TOWARDS GAYS SO BOTH SIDES DO IT!!!!!!

Sometimes I think Loomis serves as the example of liberalism that conservatives try to use to paint everyone else as a flaming insane nut.

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teleskiguy  Nov 26, 2016 • 5:13:56pm

re: #145 Charles Johnson

This is how pizza should be.

Where are the toppings? I’d rather eat jeffreyw’s pizza.

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allegro  Nov 26, 2016 • 5:14:44pm

re: #157 teleskiguy

Where are the toppings? I’d rather eat jeffreyw’s pizza.

I’d rather eat any pizza. I’m sick of smoked turkey and leftovers already.

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allegro  Nov 26, 2016 • 5:15:45pm

re: #158 allegro

I’d rather eat any pizza. I’m sick of smoked turkey and leftovers already.

Though this rum spiked Wassail is de bomb.

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Timothy Watson  Nov 26, 2016 • 5:16:55pm

Can anyone confirm this?

Facebook Post

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freetoken  Nov 26, 2016 • 5:18:24pm

re: #144 prairiefire

I’ve been here for 10 years, as I think LGF is one of the better run corners of the internet.

But if I do invent a time machine…. I just might feel it’s worth rewriting the past 10,000 years or so.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 26, 2016 • 5:20:06pm

Make America Great Again (TM)!

Story here: m.huffpost.com

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Scottishdragon  Nov 26, 2016 • 5:20:18pm

The only thing I can say about Castro is I sincerely hope he is being anally violated by Satan in an infernal cell next to Pol Pot.

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Whack-A-Mole  Nov 26, 2016 • 5:21:42pm

re: #132 FormerDirtDart

Well, we all knew there would be a third…

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“That is not dead which can eternal lie”…

until 2016 comes along and kicks it’s ass like it’s doing to everything else.

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prairiefire  Nov 26, 2016 • 5:22:47pm

re: #161 freetoken

I’ve been here for 10 years, as I think LGF is one of the better run corners of the internet.

But if I do invent a time machine…. I just might feel it’s worth rewriting the past 10,000 years or so.

We are all living in the Freetoken world now, baby.

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Timothy Watson  Nov 26, 2016 • 5:22:56pm
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Scottishdragon  Nov 26, 2016 • 5:23:09pm
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teleskiguy  Nov 26, 2016 • 5:24:28pm

re: #161 freetoken

I’ve been here for 10 years, as I think LGF is one of the better run corners of the internet.

But if I do invent a time machine…. I just might feel it’s worth rewriting the past 10,000 years or so.

Yeah, the whole violence thing and keeping people incurious through religion. freetoken, if you had a time machine you’d have a tall order in front of you to rid humans of their most glaring ills.

If it were me I’d give the Arawaks in the Caribbean some modern weaponry (machine guns, flame throwers, grenade launchers and the like) around the year 1491 and I would warn them of three ships that will land there next year.

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Timothy Watson  Nov 26, 2016 • 5:24:58pm

Oh God, Jewel Staite’s post brought a tear to my eye:

Instagram

This is me acting like an idiot just so I could hear Ron Glass laugh.
He was the kind of person that remembered the details, that asked about your family’s well-being. He hugged hard and often. He would laugh till he cried at a sick joke and top it with a worse one. He loved a Grey Goose crantini and spilled one on my white jeans in the heat of telling a story, and then just said, “Girl, those were ugly pants anyway.” I adored him. Everybody did. I love you, Ron. Can’t wait to see you again. “I don’t care what you believe. Just believe it.”

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FormerDirtDart  Nov 26, 2016 • 5:27:09pm
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KGxvi  Nov 26, 2016 • 5:27:49pm

re: #81 Dave In Austin

Did Issa lose his race?

According to the California Secretary of State’s website, he won by 2,690 votes (which was good enough for 50.4% of the vote in the two-person run off). I read an article a week or two ago, don’t know where, about Orange County trending blue - they pointed to Issa’s race and apparently according to their analysis, he won because of voters in San Diego County (his district splits south Orange County and north San Diego County).

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 26, 2016 • 5:29:51pm
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Charles Johnson  Nov 26, 2016 • 5:30:03pm
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freetoken  Nov 26, 2016 • 5:30:15pm

This whole Castro thing is really exposing the weaknesses of the old-guard socialists, especially European socialists.

As I wrote in my little essay a couple of days ago, a contemporary thinker will accept that a people do both good and bad things. To try and paint a person as just a “good” person or a “bad” person is too simple.

Fidel Castro was not especially bad when it comes to 20th century dictators (seriously - look at all the world leaders since 1960), but he did abuse people and cause a great deal pain and suffering. And he helped his people too. It’s not just a black and white thing.

I judge Fidel Castro in light of his predecessors (mostly authoritarians also) and his contemporaries (a mixed bag of post-colonial movements.)

I believe the onus was one us, the US, to seize the moment when Fidel rose up and instead of trying to isolate Cuba we should have embraced Cuba and moderated Castro and his movement. But our decisions were made by the old guard military-industrial complex, and instead of trying to redeem the chaos in a revolution they chose to up the ante and fight a cold war.

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William Lewis  Nov 26, 2016 • 5:30:42pm

re: #168 teleskiguy

There was a story in Analog a few years back where the Aztec fighter pilots in the late 20th century were defending their northern edge of their empire against European invaders. In that time line they defeated Cortez and never let the follow ups get a foot hold in the areas the controlled. After the disease storm passed, the Incas and the Aztec united and created a unified Western Hemisphere. A lot of things that were unlikely but a fun story nonetheless.

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freetoken  Nov 26, 2016 • 5:32:14pm

re: #171 KGxvi

Issa overwhelmingly lost the SD portion of his district.

There are still a few votes to be counted in SD. Car Thief’s victory margin might be a bit less than the number you show.

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prairiefire  Nov 26, 2016 • 5:32:26pm

re: #173 Charles Johnson

yikes, mooaarrr extremists

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KGxvi  Nov 26, 2016 • 5:33:17pm

re: #99 freetoken

Ventura is quite the opportunist. He’ll go on Alex Jones one moment, then turn around and speak highly of people about whom the likes of Jones rant endlessly.

I asserted yesterday that we are in a WWE universe now. The carny will say anything to get the seats filled for the show, even if that means flipping positions tomorrow to fill seats in another town.

Ok, so I chuckled at that, because… yes, I “still” watch wrestling. WWE has started referring to fans and the kayfabe world of WWE shows as… wait for it…

“THE WWE UNIVERSE”

On their shows, they tend to talk about it as a name for fans, but among smarks (smart marks, fans (sadly, like me) who read internet gossip/news) it’s come to mean the entirety of WWE kayfabe. I’m going to have to think about it some, and there’s probably a page in it when I finally get my thoughts in order, but the concept of kayfabe might be incredibly important to understanding the world over the next four years.

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freetoken  Nov 26, 2016 • 5:34:12pm

re: #168 teleskiguy

Yeah, the whole violence thing and keeping people incurious through religion. .

Introduce a few key inventions - writing, glass, iron - a few millennia before they actually happened, and the world would be quite a different place.

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freetoken  Nov 26, 2016 • 5:35:28pm

re: #178 KGxvi

I find myself so turned off by McMahon and his product that I cringe at it. Don’t mean to belittle you if “sports entertainment” is your thing. In that genre, I much prefer the Japanese.

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prairiefire  Nov 26, 2016 • 5:37:17pm

re: #179 freetoken

So it would be China? I kid

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William Lewis  Nov 26, 2016 • 5:38:57pm

re: #179 freetoken

Introduce a few key inventions - writing, glass, iron - a few millennia before they actually happened, and the world would be quite a different place.

You do realize that all three were actually quite early inventions and came about as soon as there was sufficient infrastructure to support them? Iron requires considerably more infrastructure than bronze for example even though the raw materials are easier to find than the tin for bronze.

Things like that are always going to the controlled by whomever has the power. Magically attempting to introduce them early will not change anything but the starting dates of the first empires.

The bigger change and what made those inventions possible/necessary was the acceptance of agriculture by large chunks of populations which necessitated stability and protection over other considerations.

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KGxvi  Nov 26, 2016 • 5:43:22pm

re: #180 freetoken

I find myself so turned off by McMahon and his product that I cringe at it. Don’t mean to belittle you if “sports entertainment” is your thing. In that genre, I much prefer the Japanese.

I think we had this discussion a while back, but I’m kind of all over the board with wrestling. I tend to watch WWE stuff because it’s the most prevalent, but I’ve really enjoyed Lucha Underground, and keep meaning to go to some Indy shows here in Southern California. And I do get the feeling that Vince has given up some control (you can still see his fingerprints on stuff) when you look at the fact that AJ Styles holds the World Title and Kevin Owens (Steen on the Indies) holds the new Universal Title (which was previously held by Finn Balor (who was Prince Devitt on the Indies)).

There’s a lot of stuff out there now, and it’s a lot easier to get, I just don’t necessarily have to the time and/or energy to go searching for it.

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freetoken  Nov 26, 2016 • 5:50:01pm

re: #183 KGxvi

Yes, IIRC, you want to go to Reseda and the American Legion hall to see PWG.

I just get turned off by the nature of McMahon, his love of big (chemically enhanced) bodies, his easy manipulation of the crowds (and how he despises his own customers), and how his own produced shows really are not very good.

In that genre, if I were to watch anything, it’d be this:

WRESTLE KINGDOM 11 in TOKYO DOME TV-CM ver.2

However, I’m even getting turned off of the whole “shoot” style Japanese matches, and MMA.

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VegasGolfer  Nov 26, 2016 • 5:55:10pm

re: #155 William Lewis

Dude is a huge wingnut.

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Myron Falwell (no relation)  Nov 26, 2016 • 6:02:51pm

re: #170 FormerDirtDart

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Fabio? FFS.

“I can’t believe it’s not a Secretary of State!”

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freetoken  Nov 26, 2016 • 6:08:01pm

re: #183 KGxvi

Here, if you’ve not seen this, give it a try, two of the best worked-match professionals in a very non-McMahon environment:

dailymotion.com

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William Lewis  Nov 26, 2016 • 6:15:35pm

re: #185 VegasGolfer

Dude is a huge wingnut.

Could be. I ignore that when I can learn a bit more about playing guitar.

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sagehen  Nov 26, 2016 • 8:55:29pm

re: #48 KGxvi

Had Firefy been allowed to run its course, the season long secondary story arch of Shepherd Book’s back story would have been amazing

This year’s most appropriate Firefly quote:


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