And Now for Something Totally Weird: Moon Hooch, "EWI"

And Now for Something Totally Weird: Moon Hooch, “EWI”

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The first video from Moon Hooch’s brand new album THIS IS CAVE MUSIC, available September 16 via Hornblow Recordings / Palmetto Records.

Pre-order:
Direct from the band: http://bit.ly/1qAOxXF
iTunes: http://geni.us/iTCaveMusic (“EWI” available here now!)
Amazon: http://geni.us/CaveMusic
Find at your local record shop: http://bit.ly/3rdCaveMusic

http://www.moonhooch.com/
http://www.ptxstore.com/moonhooch/
https://www.facebook.com/moonhoochmusic
twitter.com/moonhooch
https://www.youtube.com/user/moonhooch
soundcloud.com/moon-hooch

Directed by Lucas McGowen (http://www.lucasmcgowen.com) and Julia Barrett Mitchell (http://juliabarrettmitchell.com)
Bride: Julia Barrett Mitchell
Groom: Ben Becher
Story by Lucas McGowen
Director of photography: Lucas McGowen
Second Camera: Zach Sky
Assistant Director: Matthew Pourviseh
Costumes by Jeffrey Williams (jeffreycwilliams.com)
Produced by Zach Sky in association with Avenue D Cinema

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Charles Johnson Nov 26, 2016 • 5:31:58pm

Fidel Castro was a symbol of the struggle for justice in the shadow of empire. Presente!

— Dr. Jill Stein (@DrJillStein) November 27, 2016

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Of course you’d be the one to tweet this. @DrJillStein https://t.co/0vyA13EFCt

— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) November 27, 2016

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darthstar Nov 26, 2016 • 5:34:42pm

Mike Pence - sounds like Trump if he’d made it through his sophomore year of high school.

Mike Pence speaks on Fidel Castro’s death https://t.co/E3HEM2pS1h pic.twitter.com/Glxr1UGgHk

— BuzzFeed News (@BuzzFeedNews) November 26, 2016

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Timothy Watson Nov 26, 2016 • 5:34:43pm

re: #1 Charles Johnson

“When someone shows you who they are, believe them the first time.” -Maya Angelou

Joe Bacon Nov 26, 2016 • 5:36:53pm

I wonder if this was the tune Jill Stein hummed when she dined with Mike Flynn and Putin…

betty davis he was a big freak

Charles Johnson Nov 26, 2016 • 5:37:02pm

On apartheid, Fidel Castro was on the right side of history. (And most US Republicans weren’t.) On pretty much everything else, not.

— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) November 27, 2016

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Emptor scriptor Remorse Nov 26, 2016 • 5:38:43pm

Reminds of that time on the bridge of the Event Horizon when they first tested an experimental gravity drive.

allegro Nov 26, 2016 • 5:41:36pm

re: #2 darthstar

Mike Pence - sounds like Trump if he’d made it through his sophomore year of high school.

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Does Pence realize that Castro hadn’t been in charge in a real long time?

teleskiguy Nov 26, 2016 • 5:44:18pm

Fidel Castro was a symbol of the struggle for justice in the shadow of empire. Presente!

— Dr. Jill Stein (@DrJillStein) November 27, 2016

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In which airhead former Presidential candidate for the Green Party praises a murderous tyrant that ruined Cuban society for generations. https://t.co/aypVaAp3nM

— Charlie Vogel (@teleskiguy) November 27, 2016

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KGxvi Nov 26, 2016 • 5:46:53pm

re: #2 darthstar

And how will you do that Mr. Pence? By continuing to ignore the existence of Cuba in foreign policy (because, honestly, that’s basically what our policy was before reproachment - Cuba effectively did not exist for most Americans)? Or are we actually going to try something other than a policy that didn’t work for half a fucking century?

KGxvi Nov 26, 2016 • 5:47:15pm

re: #7 allegro

Does Pence realize that Castro hadn’t been in charge in a real long time?

Probably not.

Charles Johnson Nov 26, 2016 • 5:48:00pm

Mike Flynn apparently told Japanese officials Trump’s campaign remarks were “rhetoric…to secure an election win.”https://t.co/k1sNvUdwgo

— Kyle Griffin (@kylegriffin1) November 27, 2016

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So was Trump lying then, or lying now? @kylegriffin1 https://t.co/cprBXRNHs5

— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) November 27, 2016

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darthstar Nov 26, 2016 • 5:50:15pm

re: #7 allegro

Does Pence realize that Castro hadn’t been in charge in a real long time?

Of course not. I told someone else earlier today that people were hating a memory of a caricature of Fidel…in other words, Pence is as big a fuckn’ retard as Trump (not mental retardation, or learning disabled, just the vulgar ‘fuckin’ retard’ interpretation with all its insensitivities).

jaunte Nov 26, 2016 • 5:51:35pm

EXCLUSIVE: Trump spent Thanksgiving dinner asking guests at Mar-a-Lago who he should make his secretary of state https://t.co/ko4kPY3ykb pic.twitter.com/NrLKLFmeyi

— Page Six (@PageSix) November 27, 2016

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BTW, Fabio? Does Trump know any celebrities from the current century? https://t.co/qgYtdscoBo

— Joy Reid (@JoyAnnReid) November 27, 2016

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Quiet Storm Nov 26, 2016 • 5:57:32pm

Don’t know if anyone has mentioned this but Ron Glass of Firefly has died.

freetoken Nov 26, 2016 • 5:58:29pm

re: #14 Quiet Storm

We lamented downstairs, and decided that 2016 is even a worse year than we thought previously.

Backwoods_Sleuth Nov 26, 2016 • 5:59:19pm

“Mine. Please no take. All mine…” pic.twitter.com/BNu4NOLOn2

— Animal Life (@MeetAnimals) November 27, 2016

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Eclectic Cyborg Nov 26, 2016 • 6:01:00pm

Fidel Castro was a symbol of the struggle for justice in the shadow of empire. Presente!

— Dr. Jill Stein (@DrJillStein) November 27, 2016

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Charles Johnson Nov 26, 2016 • 6:03:23pm

It’s good to know Trump is getting advice on his Sec. of State nomination from those well-known foreign policy experts, Fabio and Don King.

— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) November 27, 2016

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The Madness of King Orange (aka Sophist) Nov 26, 2016 • 6:04:42pm

@Green_Footballs @kylegriffin1 Yes.

— Glock H. Palin, Esq. (@GlockPalin) November 27, 2016

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Also, greetings from Flavor Country:

JasonA Nov 26, 2016 • 6:06:02pm

I feel like we need a “How fucked are we?” scale, but I just don’t know where it would end.

The Vicious Babushka Nov 26, 2016 • 6:06:45pm

re: #20 JasonA

I feel like we need a “How fucked are we?” scale, but I just don’t know where it would end.

Eleventy on a scale of 1-10.

teleskiguy Nov 26, 2016 • 6:07:01pm

re: #20 JasonA

I feel like we need a “How fucked are we?” scale, but I just don’t know where it would end.

In the meantime we have this:

Stanley Sea Nov 26, 2016 • 6:07:29pm

I mean, Fabio & Don King?

He has no friends.

mmmirele Nov 26, 2016 • 6:08:22pm

We had Thanksgiving today since my brother was sick on Thursday. Among other things, he made this pecan pie. And yes, he verrrry carefully arranged those pecan halves before baking.

Pie. Mmmmm. Pie….

GlutenFreeJesus Nov 26, 2016 • 6:10:22pm

re: #23 Stanley Sea

I mean, Fabio & Don King?

He has no friends.

This has always put up red flags for me. Hillary is still friends with people she knew throughout her childhood. Trump doesn’t have one. Single. Person. that’s come forward as a friend. And the guy is 70!

Bubblehead II Nov 26, 2016 • 6:17:37pm

re: #20 JasonA

I feel like we need a “How fucked are we?” scale, but I just don’t know where it would end.

Timothy Watson Nov 26, 2016 • 6:18:02pm

re: #20 JasonA

I feel like we need a “How fucked are we?” scale, but I just don’t know where it would end.

Charles Johnson Nov 26, 2016 • 6:18:20pm

This Thanksgiving weekend, I’m grateful to Netflix for distracting me from how completely fucked America is with Trump in the White House.

— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) November 27, 2016

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Charles Johnson Nov 26, 2016 • 6:18:55pm

I will not be tamed. I will die first…

— Charles M. Blow (@CharlesMBlow) November 27, 2016

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Preach. @CharlesMBlow https://t.co/k7ZLeR5EMk

— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) November 27, 2016

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William Lewis Nov 26, 2016 • 6:19:35pm

re: #29 Charles Johnson

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Myron Falwell (no relation) Nov 26, 2016 • 6:20:42pm

re: #23 Stanley Sea

I mean, Fabio & Don King?

He has no friends.

“I Can’t Believe It’s Not a Cabinet Appointment!”

Eclectic Cyborg Nov 26, 2016 • 6:28:21pm

re: #28 Charles Johnson

Just wait until the Trump movies roll out…

weave Nov 26, 2016 • 6:36:13pm

On apartheid, Fidel Castro was on the right side of history. (And most US Republicans weren’t.) On pretty much everything else, not.

— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) November 27, 2016

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@Green_Footballs Has anyone quoted you by only repeating the first sentence yet? https://t.co/unuXaiAkfe

— Weave (@diaper) November 27, 2016

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Charles Johnson Nov 26, 2016 • 6:37:03pm

The Rage Furby has posted his bizarre version of what happened at the NPI conference, denying it was a white supremacist event and denying he’s a white supremacist himself (laughably), and claiming he was “chased up the stairs” by protesters.

Here’s a taste of Chuck’s version of reality:

The facts of life are more complicated than any ideology. At least three of the guys at the dinner the other night are married to non-white women, including yours truly. Richard has himself dated Asian women. He is married though separated from a Russian-born immigrant. In a normal age that personal choice would protect him a bit from the lazy charges of xenophobia. Instead it indicts him in our Russophobic age.

Richard is a complicated man who I have met a few times but don’t quite have a handle on. My understanding of Richard’s politics is that he wants to create a sort of white NAACP, an advocacy group that sticks up for white people in much the same way every other ethnic group has a political arm. I wanted to ask him about these politics but ANTIFA started attacking us. It was so bad that some of us had to escape through the backdoor. The DC police wanted the restaurant to throw us out but to their credit they let us stay before condemning us in the media. Several of us tipped the restaurant staff extra anyway. This was, of course, after we gave a standing ovation to the mostly minority wait staff for protecting us while we had dinner.

Richard Spencer is “a complicated man.” Right. He wants to turn the US into a white nationalist ethno-state. That doesn’t really sound complicated to me.

Charles Johnson Nov 26, 2016 • 6:40:53pm

Chuck C. Johnson actually seems to think he’ll convince people there’s nothing wrong with Richard Spencer, he’s not a white supremacist, it’s all just some kind of meta-joke or something. And Chuck seems to think he can just pretend he’s never expressed racist views himself. Being married to an Asian exonerates him!

This is the perverse mindset Trump is legitimizing.

OK. Maybe I should start watching Dark Mirror now.

Bubblehead II Nov 26, 2016 • 6:42:33pm

Night Lizards. Going to get some sleep while the getting is good. Starting at 0700 28 November a 12+ hr/day grind begins with no days off until the job is done (13 Dec completion date). The pay checks will look great but I am going to be one hurting puppy when all is said and done.

AaronFromToronto Nov 26, 2016 • 6:43:46pm

I am digging that Moon Hooch number. They sorta remind me of a modernized version of Sadhappy.

Cheechako Nov 26, 2016 • 6:50:18pm

weave Nov 26, 2016 • 6:51:06pm

I posted about this earlier, but precious Redstate just aren’t giving up whining about the Wisconsin recount….

Hillary Clinton Joining The Recount In Wisconsin Is A Waste Of Time
Conway: Recounters Are A Pack Of Sore Losers
Obama Administration Undermines Hillary’s Sore Loser Recount

ORLY? Of course when a Democrat narrowly wins, it just MUST be voter fraud so recounts are fully justified and has NOTHING to do with being a sore loser.

LATEST: How Deep Does The Voter Fraud In North Carolina Run?
More NC Voter Fraud: Did Bladen County Democrats Run An Absentee Ballot Mill?

Big Beautiful Door Nov 26, 2016 • 6:55:25pm

re: #14 Quiet Storm

Don’t know if anyone has mentioned this but Ron Glass of Firefly has died.

A mild coincidence is that Ron Glass and Florence Henderson are two of the biggest TV celebrities to ever emerge from southwestern Indiana.

teleskiguy Nov 26, 2016 • 6:55:30pm

re: #37 AaronFromToronto

Hello hatchling! I see you’re from Canada, eh?

Welcome to the jungle.

Giphy

AaronFromToronto Nov 26, 2016 • 7:00:08pm

re: #41 teleskiguy

Thank you sir! It’s nice to be here!

teleskiguy Nov 26, 2016 • 7:02:18pm

re: #42 AaronFromToronto

Took you a few months to comment, I see.

We don’t bite. Although the arguments can get very intense when it comes to pineapple on pizza.

The Madness of King Orange (aka Sophist) Nov 26, 2016 • 7:04:08pm

re: #25 GlutenFreeJesus

This has always put up red flags for me. Hillary is still friends with people she knew throughout her childhood. Trump doesn’t have one. Single. Person. that’s come forward as a friend. And the guy is 70!

Sociopaths don’t have friends. Just enemies.

Colère Tueur de Lapin Nov 26, 2016 • 7:05:22pm

re: #38 Cheechako

Only 55 plepoe out of 100 can

And, 87.3% of all statistics are made up on the fly.

Charles Johnson Nov 26, 2016 • 7:05:41pm

Because hey - you really should know better by now than to help Russia subvert our democracy.

— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) November 27, 2016

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The Madness of King Orange (aka Sophist) Nov 26, 2016 • 7:08:44pm

re: #34 Charles Johnson

So according to LeChuck, if you put your penis in a person of color it inoculates you against all future charges of racism?

No. Just no.

The Madness of King Orange (aka Sophist) Nov 26, 2016 • 7:14:01pm

re: #45 Colère Tueur de Lapin

And, 87.3% of all statistics are made up on the fly.

An unsourced statistic that flatters the reader by suggesting they are special or above average in some way? Well, that must be true!

Charles Johnson Nov 26, 2016 • 7:17:39pm

re: #47 The Madness of King Orange (aka Sophist)

So according to LeChuck, if you put you penis in a person of color it inoculates you against all future charges of racism?

No. Just no.

That, in a nutshell, is his argument. Meanwhile, his white supremacist pals call him a “race traitor” for it. But he knows they need people like him for cover, so he doesn’t get upset about that.

Richard Spencer has expressed his utter contempt for Chuck several times, in comment sections at Takimag and other places. But Chuck keeps coming back and sucking up to him like an abused puppy dog. It’s gross.

Barefoot Grin Nov 26, 2016 • 7:18:26pm

re: #47 The Madness of King Orange (aka Sophist)

So according to LeChuck, if you put you penis in a person of color it inoculates you against all future charges of racism?

No. Just no.

My mother is from the deep south. My grandmother had black servants. One summer (had to be around 1953 or 1954) my mother traveled north to work and brought her Japanese-American roommate home to visit. My grandmother was furious. It wasn’t that she hated my mom’s new friend so much as “how will Lily May serve a yellow girl?” I think that is still a conundrum for the CCj’s of the world. “Ok, I hate brown people, but I have a thing for east Asian women, how do I solve this?”

Charles Johnson Nov 26, 2016 • 7:23:18pm

Falwell says Trump offered him education secretary job https://t.co/wEdebfpOUA pic.twitter.com/VEzJrpyoo1

— Colin Campbell (@colincampbell) November 27, 2016

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Ok I give up. What’s Alex Jones getting? NSA director? FBI? https://t.co/wQuYUyjQdr

— Joy Reid (@JoyAnnReid) November 27, 2016

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Alex Jones will be appointed head of the newly created Ministry of Truth. @JoyAnnReid https://t.co/2hxIhlatrY

— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) November 27, 2016

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AaronFromToronto Nov 26, 2016 • 7:24:17pm

re: #43 teleskiguy

I’ve been in lurk mode. It seems wrong to comment here if I’m not gonna be polite and positive, and it’s difficult for me to be those things given the current political situation.

P.S. Pineapple on pizza is tolerable but far from ideal.

Charles Johnson Nov 26, 2016 • 7:25:02pm

Falwell says Trump offered him education secretary job https://t.co/wEdebfpOUA pic.twitter.com/VEzJrpyoo1

— Colin Campbell (@colincampbell) November 27, 2016

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Ok I give up. What’s Alex Jones getting? NSA director? FBI? https://t.co/wQuYUyjQdr

— Joy Reid (@JoyAnnReid) November 27, 2016

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Alex Jones will be appointed head of the newly created Ministry of Truth. @JoyAnnReid https://t.co/2hxIhlatrY

— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) November 27, 2016

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Asked and answered. Now, to find a job for the guy from Worldnetdaily… https://t.co/whQeWLx0VV

— Joy Reid (@JoyAnnReid) November 27, 2016

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Charles Johnson Nov 26, 2016 • 7:26:27pm

Holocaust themed skating performance by wife of spokesman for president #Putin. Beyond belief, no words😢 pic.twitter.com/bcPZdfh23R

— Rob S⬅︎Silver Surfer (@RobPulseNews) November 26, 2016

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Charles Johnson Nov 26, 2016 • 7:29:52pm

Falwell says Trump offered him education secretary job https://t.co/wEdebfpOUA pic.twitter.com/VEzJrpyoo1

— Colin Campbell (@colincampbell) November 27, 2016

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Ok I give up. What’s Alex Jones getting? NSA director? FBI? https://t.co/wQuYUyjQdr

— Joy Reid (@JoyAnnReid) November 27, 2016

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Alex Jones will be appointed head of the newly created Ministry of Truth. @JoyAnnReid https://t.co/2hxIhlatrY

— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) November 27, 2016

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Asked and answered. Now, to find a job for the guy from Worldnetdaily… https://t.co/whQeWLx0VV

— Joy Reid (@JoyAnnReid) November 27, 2016

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@JoyAnnReid Joseph Farah will head the newly created Ministry of Religious Re-Education. https://t.co/ArBnEyY935

— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) November 27, 2016

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GlutenFreeJesus Nov 26, 2016 • 7:32:39pm

DJ Cat

Myron Falwell (no relation) Nov 26, 2016 • 7:39:14pm

re: #51 Charles Johnson

At least Jerry Fucking Falwell had the sanity to turn the offer down. Which is more than I can say for ~~Trump~~ Pence making the goddam offer…

(Seriously, that had Pence’s fingerprints all over it.)

teleskiguy Nov 26, 2016 • 7:43:35pm

re: #57 Myron Falwell (no relation)

Betsy fucking DeVos.

Myron Falwell (no relation) Nov 26, 2016 • 7:47:17pm

re: #58 teleskiguy

Betsy fucking DeVos.

Every single one of them needs to have “Fucking” as their middle name.

Every. Single. One.

Big Beautiful Door Nov 26, 2016 • 7:48:53pm

re: #54 Charles Johnson

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That is just weird.

Unshaken Defiance Nov 26, 2016 • 7:58:39pm

re: #11 Charles Johnson

@Green_Footballs @kylegriffin1 That question is one of those ” x days without an injury” at a highly dangerous work site kinda thing.

— Daniel Ballard (@RW_Conspirator) November 27, 2016

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bratwurst Nov 26, 2016 • 8:03:00pm

Doesn’t have dinner with Don King and Fabio to focus on?

The Democrats, when they incorrectly thought they were going to win, asked that the election night tabulation be accepted. Not so anymore!

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) November 27, 2016

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wheat-dogg Nov 26, 2016 • 8:07:08pm

Seagal shaking hands with little Putin. Note the difference in hand size. Also height. And girth. (Yowzers!)

From Putin’s hands: A Russian passport for Steven Seagal https://t.co/iS0lKEin9w pic.twitter.com/yEoY2ttAHl

— New York Times World (@nytimesworld) November 26, 2016

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Maybe this is why Putin likes Trump so much. They have the same size hands.

Feline Fearless Leader Nov 26, 2016 • 8:10:30pm

Cats got a larger sized “Pootie Pad”* as part of a Kickstarter I helped with.

* - It’s a quilted pad stuffed with catnip (for cats) or lavender/thyme (for dogs or people).

Mmmmm….. Nippy!

Of course, they’re cats. So soon there is competition for the new most favored piece of real estate in the apartment.

Hey, I want to sit on the pad!

(Que Star Trek Fight Music)

BANZAI!

I iz fiercest kitteh! Quit biting my tail!

Iz Mine Neow! Bwahahaaha

(Not a real fight - just play fight/wrestling. And the black cat who is about 3lb heavier is pretty tolerant of the younger tabby.)

wheat-dogg Nov 26, 2016 • 8:13:01pm

I thought Cernovich had been suspended. Guess not.

What if someone in California ran for Congress with a campaign promise he would investigate pedophilia in Hollywood?

— Mike Cernovich 🇺🇸 (@Cernovich) November 27, 2016

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JasonA Nov 26, 2016 • 8:13:20pm

I think I might be avoiding events like Comic-Con for the next four years. I do not have any faith in this administration to keep us safe. I hate thinking like that, but here we are.

thedopefishlives Nov 26, 2016 • 8:16:22pm

I only just got here, but it’s already time to invoke the Iron Fist rule. Good night, gentle lizardfolk.

teleskiguy Nov 26, 2016 • 8:16:42pm

re: #66 JasonA

My sister, a hardcore gamer and noted CosPlayer in Denver, disconnected herself from Twitter and other forums when the GamerGate shit went down a couple of years ago. She was harassed to no end.

JasonA Nov 26, 2016 • 8:16:48pm

re: #66 JasonA

I think I might be avoiding events like Comic-Con for the next four years. I do not have any faith in this administration to keep us safe. I hate thinking like that, but here we are.

Hell, I might just avoid the city as much as possible.

JasonA Nov 26, 2016 • 8:18:11pm

re: #68 teleskiguy

My sister, a hardcore gamer and noted CosPlayer in Denver, disconnected herself from Twitter and other forums when the GamerGate shit went down a couple of years ago. She was harassed to no end.

Thank god Melania is going to do something about online bullying. (◔_◔)

Lidane Nov 26, 2016 • 8:21:24pm

Hola Lizards! Hope everyone had a good Thanksgiving. I got to play the resident liberal punching bag at my Trump-voting aunt and uncle’s house. Nobody wanted to “talk politics” but at the same time nobody had a problem ranting at me about Black Lives Matter, Colin Kaepernick kneeling during the National Anthem, and how dare anyone protest Trump because nobody protested when Obama won the election.

And I also got an earful about teh ebil gubmint pulling an herbal supplement that was curing cancer off the shelves. By that point I’d given up so I didn’t mention it was pulled because it was causing acute liver damage.

On the upside, I got to see my mom, who turns 80 in a few days. She’s doing well all things considered.

teleskiguy Nov 26, 2016 • 8:23:48pm

re: #71 Lidane

Dave In Austin Nov 26, 2016 • 8:26:06pm

pic.twitter.com/EC9aJv0Ica

— Kevin (@Inked1BNA) November 27, 2016

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teleskiguy Nov 26, 2016 • 8:32:47pm

Well, I see the YouTube I paged 22 days ago is getting some play in bigger media outlets.

NASA wants you to see this video of the Artic ice disappearing https://t.co/QYxNbNV47c pic.twitter.com/OPA44Qy3RA

— CNN (@CNN) November 3, 2016

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Grunthos the Flatulent Nov 26, 2016 • 8:35:37pm

On apartheid, Fidel Castro was on the right side of history. (And most US Republicans weren’t.) On pretty much everything else, not.

— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) November 27, 2016

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@Green_Footballs Has anyone quoted you by only repeating the first sentence yet? https://t.co/unuXaiAkfe

— Weave (@diaper) November 27, 2016

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@diaper @Green_Footballs Please! They’ll quote the second clause of the first sentence only. https://t.co/esuqiiKyfs

— Mentis Fugit (@MentisNZ) November 27, 2016

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Myron Falwell (no relation) Nov 26, 2016 • 8:37:59pm

re: #65 wheat-dogg

I thought Cernovich had been suspended. Guess not.

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Meathead Mike Cernovich tends to slip through the cracks.

FormerDirtDart Nov 26, 2016 • 8:42:31pm

re: #75 Grunthos the Flatulent

@Green_Footballs
“…Fidel Castro was on the right side of history. On pretty much everything…”

Joe Bacon Nov 26, 2016 • 8:44:00pm

re: #65 wheat-dogg

I thought Cernovich had been suspended. Guess not.

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Let him try. If that clown got elected he would drive even more people out of the Republikkklan Party!

Joe Bacon Nov 26, 2016 • 8:50:55pm

re: #49 Charles Johnson

That, in a nutshell, is his argument. Meanwhile, his white supremacist pals call him a “race traitor” for it. But he knows they need people like him for cover, so he doesn’t get upset about that.

Richard Spencer has expressed his utter contempt for Chuck several times, in comment sections at Takimag and other places. But Chuck keeps coming back and sucking up to him like an abused puppy dog. It’s gross.

Ginger Snapped and Benjyboy are two peas from the same pod—always begging for acceptance from people who smack them down time and time again!

darthstar Nov 26, 2016 • 8:57:40pm

So, I just read Hillary joined the recount brigade. Welcome to three weeks of outrage on all the news channels.

Lidane Nov 26, 2016 • 9:01:24pm

So is this the “New GOP’s nuanced nationalism” or just good ol’ socialist crankery? I can’t keep up anymore. https://t.co/FPrFnLGArx pic.twitter.com/qgAi1IOGDs

— Scott Lincicome (@scottlincicome) November 27, 2016

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Myron Falwell (no relation) Nov 26, 2016 • 9:07:53pm

re: #80 darthstar

So, I just read Hillary joined the recount brigade. Welcome to three weeks of outrage on all the news channels.

News outlets are freaking out with “BREAKING!!!!1!!eleventy!!!!” headlines over a simple procedural move that her camp made to lend lawyers to assist in the overall effort, knowing that it has little chance (in their opinion) of changing the outcome.

I refuse to watch cable news in general because of bulls—t like this.

Unshaken Defiance Nov 26, 2016 • 9:12:01pm

With all due respect to the views of others… This does not resemble “the right side of history”. hrw.org

“As other countries in the region turned away from authoritarian rule, only Fidel Castro’s Cuba continued to repress virtually all civil and political rights,” said José Miguel Vivanco, Americas director at Human Rights Watch. “Castro’s draconian rule and the harsh punishments he meted out to dissidents kept his repressive system rooted firmly in place for decades… …until he transferred power to his brother Raúl in July 2006, Fidel Castro held all three of the most powerful positions in Cuba’s government: president of the Council of State, president of the Council of Ministers, and first secretary of the Cuban Communist Party. “

He got some things right. But at an unconscionable price even at that.

Charles Johnson Nov 26, 2016 • 9:16:07pm

re: #83 Unshaken Defiance

With all due respect to the views of others… This does not resemble “the right side of history”. hrw.org

Uh, if that’s for me, here’s what I actually said:

On apartheid, Fidel Castro was on the right side of history. (And most US Republicans weren’t.) On pretty much everything else, not.

— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) November 27, 2016

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Clearly referring to Castro’s stance on apartheid, and nothing else.

FormerDirtDart Nov 26, 2016 • 9:17:09pm

As the RWNJ rage machine cries about the President’s statement on the death of Fidel Castro, Dick Nixon reminds us of Gerald Ford’s statement on the death of Mao…

I wouldn’t say the president’s statement today defies the imagination, no. pic.twitter.com/dUMgcpVaMN

— Richard M. Nixon (@dick_nixon) November 26, 2016

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Stanley Sea Nov 26, 2016 • 9:18:37pm

re: #85 FormerDirtDart

As the RWNJ rage machine cries about the President’s statement on the death of Fidel Castro, Dick Nixon reminds us of Gerald Ford’s statement on the death of Mao…

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Diplomacy has died with trump & we will pay. Fear for war-age youth.

darthstar Nov 26, 2016 • 9:20:08pm

re: #82 Myron Falwell (no relation)

News outlets are freaking out with “BREAKING!!!!1!!eleventy!!!!” headlines over a simple procedural move that her camp made to lend lawyers to assist in the overall effort, knowing that it has little chance (in their opinion) of changing the outcome.

I refuse to watch cable news in general because of bulls—t like this.

Yeah, I’m with you there…but it spills over into the Internet now and the whole information superhighway turns into a 3 billion car pile up of misinformed outrage, conspiracy theory, and jingoism.

And, to be honest, there is one ‘good’ thing about Trump taking office. We’ll all pay attention to his policies and go over every decision with a fine toothed comb. He won’t be able to have a state dinner without being raked over the coals.

Unshaken Defiance Nov 26, 2016 • 9:27:19pm

re: #84 Charles Johnson

I just personally think his motives at the time cynical enough that I don’t really buy that either. Pretensions of justice. But correct of course for you to say so I can’t disagree there.

I’m not celebrating his end, but his country would have been better off without him long long ago. And that counterproductive embargo. Empowered him and hurt the people needlessly.

Charles Johnson Nov 26, 2016 • 9:29:48pm

re: #88 Unshaken Defiance

I just personally think his motives at the time cynical enough that I don’t really buy that either. Pretensions of justice. But correct of course to say so I can’t disagree there.

I’m not celebrating his end, but his country would have been better off without him long long ago. And that counterproductive embargo. Empowered him and hurt the people needlessly.

His motives may have been driven by politics, but the fact is that far too many US politicians worked to perpetuate apartheid. Castro was on the right side of this one issue, regardless of his motives, but the Republican Party was driven purely by racism and money, and it was a shameful episode in our politics.

darthstar Nov 26, 2016 • 9:32:19pm

The Standing Rock protest site will be closed. Officials plan to create a “free speech zone.” https://t.co/fuJfqvmYIT

— The New York Times (@nytimes) November 26, 2016

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…in Oklahoma. Seriously…didn’t we end the laughable concept of “free speech zones” after asshole Bush left office in 2009? https://t.co/KlRtTgFlAg

— Sean McCabe (@darthstar99) November 27, 2016

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Unshaken Defiance Nov 26, 2016 • 9:40:10pm

re: #89 Charles Johnson

His motives may have been driven by politics, but the fact is that far too many US politicians worked to perpetuate apartheid. Castro was on the right side of this one issue, regardless of his motives, but the Republican Party was driven purely by racism and money, and it was a shameful episode in our politics.

I don’t disagree about Republican motives one bit. Admitted, I’m probably wrong to think his motivation more important than the result given what apartheid did. I really hope relations improve short of a series of Trump Casino Towers down there. Actually excited at the prospect of easy travel and the photo / documentary opportunities.

KGxvi Nov 26, 2016 • 10:08:20pm

re: #20 JasonA

I feel like we need a “How fucked are we?” scale, but I just don’t know where it would end.

On a scale of 1 to (insert favorite adult film star here)?

Charles Johnson Nov 26, 2016 • 10:21:09pm

I don’t want to belabor the point, but there’s a reason why Nelson Mandela remained friendly to Fidel Castro: because Castro came to the aid of black South Africans when almost every other country was content to sit back and let the apartheid regime brutalize and murder at will, and that includes the US.

Human beings are complex animals. Fidel Castro was in many ways a monster and a murderer himself, but he helped bring the world kicking and screaming to renounce the horror of apartheid, when very few others cared.

Belafon Nov 26, 2016 • 10:22:23pm

re: #20 JasonA

I feel like we need a “How fucked are we?” scale, but I just don’t know where it would end.

When a white bearded Texan stands outside a mosque letting them know they are welcome here, I feel that we can battle Trump and his minions by working together. I would rather not have to do this, but maybe we need someone truly fucked up to get people up and fighting for what’s important.

BigPapa Nov 26, 2016 • 10:43:53pm

re: #52 AaronFromToronto

I’ve been in lurk mode. It seems wrong to comment here if I’m not gonna be polite and positive, and it’s difficult for me to be those things given the current political situation.

P.S. Pineapple on pizza is tolerable but far from ideal.

ALWAYS THE NEW GUY.

goddamnedfrank Nov 26, 2016 • 10:51:23pm

re: #88 Unshaken Defiance

I just personally think his motives at the time cynical enough that I don’t really buy that either. Pretensions of justice. But correct of course for you to say so I can’t disagree there.

I’m not celebrating his end, but his country would have been better off without him long long ago. And that counterproductive embargo. Empowered him and hurt the people needlessly.

Castro was a tyrannical piece of shit, but the system he helped overthrow was both corrupt and structurally racist as all fuck. There was a massive racial disparity between the Cubans who own property before the revolution and those who didn’t. That disparity was reflected in those who fled vs. who tended to stay. There’s a reason the Cuban expat population overwhelmingly trends white / light skinned, those are the people whose standards of living were disrupted the most under Castro. I’m not saying Cuba under Castro became a paradise for Black Cubans or some paragon of racial equality, but opposing apartheid was an entirely natural and organic policy in line with contemporary Communist ideology.

The Soviets viewed Western structural racism as a winning propaganda issue for them, a way of publicly distinguishing their own utopian ideas from what they presented as a decadent, unprincipled and most importantly an intrinsically exploitative West. Yes the motivation was almost certainly in large part cynical, so what? Half the damn time that’s how progress occurs, those in power never just wake up en masse one day and decide out of the goodness of their hearts to stop treating those different from themselves like garbage.

wheat-dogg Nov 26, 2016 • 10:55:40pm

re: #96 goddamnedfrank

Case in point, the people who enabled Trump to get the presidency.

teleskiguy Nov 26, 2016 • 11:02:31pm

The fake news phenomena continues unabated.

Now Ted Cruz thinks Giuliani is tweeting as “@xxxxxxx37583982.” pic.twitter.com/wWkAdz83WG

— southpaw (@nycsouthpaw) November 27, 2016

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Grunthos the Flatulent Nov 26, 2016 • 11:03:44pm

re: #77 FormerDirtDart

@Green_Footballs
“…Fidel Castro was on the right side of history. On pretty much everything…”

Nailed it.

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Dr Lizardo Nov 26, 2016 • 11:24:45pm

So, in memory of Ron Glass, here’s one my favorite Barney Miller episodes…..”Hash”:

Barney Miller Season 3 Episode 11 Hash

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wheat-dogg Nov 26, 2016 • 11:32:49pm

re: #98 teleskiguy

The fake news phenomena continues unabated.

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I’m waiting for a fake Ted Cruz account to retweet a fake Rudy G account.

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BigPapa Nov 26, 2016 • 11:47:02pm

Shot:

Fidel Castro was a symbol of the struggle for justice in the shadow of empire. Presente!

— Dr. Jill Stein (@DrJillStein) November 27, 2016

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Chaser:

Goodbye, Neoliberalism. Join the @GreenPartyUS to create a new future—one for the 99 percent. https://t.co/FDDth5mYL3

— Dr. Jill Stein (@DrJillStein) November 18, 2016

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wheat-dogg Nov 27, 2016 • 12:09:05am

re: #102 BigPapa

Shot:

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Fidel was a slight improvement over Batista. While it is true he helped the poor and non-white Cubanos, he suppressed dissent and screwed up the economy for everyone. Stein is romanticizing Fidelito as a brave revolutionary figure, like Che Guevara, while in fact he was as power hungry as Batista was. I wonder how much about Cuba she really knows.

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BigPapa Nov 27, 2016 • 12:13:40am

re: #103 wheat-dogg

I wonder how much about Cuba she really knows.

Probably about as much as any 20 something hipster with a Che sticker on the cover of his Macbook Air.

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wheat-dogg Nov 27, 2016 • 12:20:12am

re: #104 BigPapa

Probably about as much as any 20 something hipster with a Che sticker on the cover of his Macbook Air.

Yup, which is sad considering Jill Stein is well above 20-something in age.

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teleskiguy Nov 27, 2016 • 12:37:30am

re: #105 wheat-dogg

We got Nader’d (2000) in an ugly way.

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wheat-dogg Nov 27, 2016 • 12:50:02am

re: #106 teleskiguy

We got Nader’d (2000) in an ugly way.

I’d have to look at the totals for PA, WI and MI before I can declare Stein was a spoiler. I’m not all that convinced a Stein voter would have chosen Clinton, for the usual liberal reasons of Clinton being too Establishment. If Stein hadn’t been a choice, those people might have must left the presidential ballot blank.

The biggest problem was the Dems did not do an especially good job in wooing voters away from Trump in those states, either because they were too confident she’d win the coastal states easily or because they misread the situation in those states.

As much as it hurts to say it, the Democrats have to understand that most voters are not intellectuals. They don’t respond to measured, fair-minded policy statements and promises that everyone will benefit under Candidate X’s platform. As Trump has deftly demonstrated, candidates will also need to appeal to voters’ emotions, perhaps to the detriment of the intellectual aspects. Clinton tried, with the “deplorables” remark, but I wonder if that tactic backfired on her, as the deplorables took as it a sobriquet for their movement. She needed to remind voters of the long history of America welcoming people from different countries and backgrounds, and how Trump was abandoning those traditions with the help of his white supremacist minions.

IOW, the next presidential election will feature more mud-slinging and propaganda than ever before. Don’t count on the media to help voters sort out the mess.

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Targetpractice Nov 27, 2016 • 12:56:06am

re: #102 BigPapa

Shot:

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I’d consider joining the Green Party if A) it ever actually made an effort to be a political party rather than a “holier than thou” circle jerk and B) it actually ran candidates more often than once every 4 years.

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goddamnedfrank Nov 27, 2016 • 2:15:41am

re: #107 wheat-dogg

I’d have to look at the totals for PA, WI and MI before I can declare Stein was a spoiler. I’m not all that convinced a Stein voter would have chosen Clinton, for the usual liberal reasons of Clinton being too Establishment. If Stein hadn’t been a choice, those people might have must left the presidential ballot blank.

The biggest problem was the Dems did not do an especially good job in wooing voters away from Trump in those states, either because they were too confident she’d win the coastal states easily or because they misread the situation in those states.

As much as it hurts to say it, the Democrats have to understand that most voters are not intellectuals. They don’t respond to measured, fair-minded policy statements and promises that everyone will benefit under Candidate X’s platform. As Trump has deftly demonstrated, candidates will also need to appeal to voters’ emotions, perhaps to the detriment of the intellectual aspects. Clinton tried, with the “deplorables” remark, but I wonder if that tactic backfired on her, as the deplorables took as it a sobriquet for their movement. She needed to remind voters of the long history of America welcoming people from different countries and backgrounds, and how Trump was abandoning those traditions with the help of his white supremacist minions.

IOW, the next presidential election will feature more mud-slinging and propaganda than ever before. Don’t count on the media to help voters sort out the mess.

It wasn’t just Stein, or the national media, or Russia / Wikileaks, or viral fake news on Facebook, or Comey, or SCOTUS gutting the VRA, or even Clinton’s own legitimate stumbles and failure to appeal to younger idealistic (myopic) voters, it was the confluence of all that shit against a resurgence of baseless white angst and European cultural revanchism masquerading as economic anxiety. On top of all that Bill Weld should’ve scuttled the Libertarian ticket but didn’t, he saw the danger, knew what an idiot Johnson was and tried to half ass his way towards doing the right thing but never quite made it.

Lastly there’s the real cause, the Electoral College, which overturned the actual express will of the electorate for an abjectly ridiculous outcome due an archaic and frankly indefensible algorithm. An algorithm that was designed by long dead slave owning assholes to cajole the smaller and heavily slave populated colonies to ratify the Constitution and join the Union by giving them an increased amount of pull in both the Senate and Presidential elections relative to their population size. In any other democracy on this planet we’d be calling Hillary Clinton President Elect right now, because while several dozens of nations have patterned their own Constitutions on ours, literally none of them chose to adopt the intrinsically fucked Electoral College electoral model.

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wheat-dogg Nov 27, 2016 • 2:29:00am

re: #109 goddamnedfrank

Yup. You said it all.

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goddamnedfrank Nov 27, 2016 • 2:32:39am

After Donald Trump’s win, Yolanda Scott is upgrading the crowbar she keeps in her purse to a small-caliber pistol.
Scott, an African-American, is one of many minorities who have been flocking to gun stores to protect themselves, afraid Trump’s victory will incite more hate crimes.

“You feel that racists now feel like they can attack us just because the president is doing it,” Earl Curtis, the owner of Blue Ridge Arsenal in Chantilly, Virginia, told NBC News.

Gun store owners told NBC News that since November 8 they’re seeing up to four times as many black and minority customers — and black gun groups are reporting double the normal number of attendees at their meetings since the election.

This isn’t paranoia, for minorities this is a legitimate concern. I was about to say we’ve released white nationalism but truthfully that kind of racism has always been with us. We have however legitimized it and the results are absolutely horrifying.

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Nyet Nov 27, 2016 • 2:36:26am

I must ask how much the 99-percenters were at fault in such a “close” election.

And by 99-percenters I mean not the Steinites but the poll pundits who predicted Hillary’s win with about 99% probability.

How many people who disliked Hillary but hated Trump more stayed home because they, seeing the poll punditry, thought she had it in the bag?

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Single-handed sailor Nov 27, 2016 • 3:04:56am

Talking Heads - Life During Wartime LIVE Los Angeles ‘83

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Big Beautiful Door Nov 27, 2016 • 3:10:28am

re: #108 Targetpractice

I’d consider joining the Green Party if A) it ever actually made an effort to be a political party rather than a “holier than thou” circle jerk and B) it actually ran candidates more often than once every 4 years.

In our system of first past the post district elections, there simply isn’t any good reason to vote third party if the Democratic candidate has a good chance of victory unless the Democrat is too awful to vote for, and given what the GOP stands for, that would have to be pretty fucking awful. Now if there’s no chance of your vote affecting the outcome of the race, so you want to make some kind of statement by voting Green, or you live in an unusual district where the Green candidate has a significant chance of winning, go for it. Otherwise you are just helping the GOP by voting Green.

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Big Beautiful Door Nov 27, 2016 • 3:17:49am

re: #112 Nyet

I must ask how much the 99-percenters were at fault in such a “close” election.

And by 99-percenters I mean not the Steinites but the poll pundits who predicted Hillary’s win with about 99% probability.

How many people who disliked Hillary but hated Trump more stayed home because they, seeing the poll punditry, thought she had it in the bag?

I would think that most people who actually checked those kind of poll modelers are politically engaged enough that they would vote no matter what, but that is just my gut. I suspect the primary factors hurting Clinton was that she didn’t get as many African-American votes as Obama because unlikely voters who would’ve made the effort to vote for Obama weren’t as inclined to wait in three hour lines to vote for Clinton, and the very effective smear campaign trashing Clinton run by the unholy alliance of the GOP, the media, Russian intelligence and the FBI.

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Nyet Nov 27, 2016 • 3:29:00am

re: #115 Big Beautiful Door

I would think that most people who actually checked those kind of poll modelers are politically engaged enough that they would vote no matter wha

Doesn’t take that kind of dedication to read New York Times.

As an aside:

There may never be a safer election in which to vote for a third option. pic.twitter.com/5qqRsgCRe5

— Edward Snowden (@Snowden) October 21, 2016

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This tweet taught me political science is not a science. https://t.co/wL9n707piq

— Edward Snowden (@Snowden) November 15, 2016

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light)) Nov 27, 2016 • 3:48:28am

re: #113 Single-handed sailor

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never get tired of that film

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Colère Tueur de Lapin Nov 27, 2016 • 4:10:11am

re: #81 Lidane

There is no nuance to it; it is flat out, no bird whistle, Natioalism.

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Nyet Nov 27, 2016 • 4:24:45am

re: #118 Colère Tueur de Lapin

There is no nuance to it; it is flat out, no bird whistle, Natioalism.

So why is Sanders engaging in it?

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Big Beautiful Door Nov 27, 2016 • 4:36:45am

re: #116 Nyet

Doesn’t take that kind of dedication to read New York Times.

As an aside:

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I’d suspect the percentage of New York Times readers who vote is much higher than the national average.

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Jayleia Nov 27, 2016 • 4:43:30am

re: #119 Nyet

I’d guess its because it helps the White Working Class. Goddammit Bernie!

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Nyet Nov 27, 2016 • 4:54:16am

re: #120 Big Beautiful Door

I’d suspect the percentage of New York Times readers who vote is much higher than the national average.

Which would make the suggested effect, if it did take place, more significant, not less.

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Big Beautiful Door Nov 27, 2016 • 5:18:03am

re: #122 Nyet

Which would make the suggested effect, if it did take place, more significant, not less.

In post #112, you wondered how many people didn’t vote because the modelers said Clinton would win. I suspect, though I can’t prove it, that people like New York Times readers are highly likely to vote, so I think other factors played a much bigger role in her loss.

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Decatur Deb Nov 27, 2016 • 5:30:35am

re: #111 goddamnedfrank
After Donald Trump’s win, Yolanda Scott is upgrading the crowbar she keeps in her purse to a small-caliber pistol.

Scott, an African-American, is one of many minorities who have been flocking to gun stores to protect themselves, afraid Trump’s victory will incite more hate crimes.

“You feel that racists now feel like they can attack us just because the president is doing it,” Earl Curtis, the owner of Blue Ridge Arsenal in Chantilly, Virginia, told NBC News.

Gun store owners told NBC News that since November 8 they’re seeing up to four times as many black and minority customers — and black gun groups are reporting double the normal number of attendees at their meetings since the election.

This isn’t paranoia, for minorities this is a legitimate concern. I was about to say we’ve released white nationalism but truthfully that kind of racism has always been with us. We have however legitimized it and the results are absolutely horrifying.

It’s OK for blue-state liberals to STFU about guns now.

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William Lewis Nov 27, 2016 • 5:35:06am

re: #124 Decatur Deb

It’s OK for blue-state liberals to STFU about guns now.

They should but I’ll bet they won’t. It’s too religious an item for many of them. You’ll have as much success getting a Roman Catholic Bishop to go Pro-Choice as you will to get the city Democrats to let go of being anti-gun.

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Nyet Nov 27, 2016 • 5:40:21am

re: #123 Big Beautiful Door

In post #112, you wondered how many people didn’t vote because the modelers said Clinton would win. I suspect, though I can’t prove it, that people like New York Times readers are highly likely to vote, so I think other factors played a much bigger role in her loss.

If people who are usually likely voters don’t vote or vote for a third party because they are a) not enthusiastic about the candidate and b) get convinced that the candidate will win anyway, this has more significance than unlikely voters not voting.

Repeating that these people are likely voters doesn’t refute the hypothesis, quite the opposite in fact.

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Nyet Nov 27, 2016 • 5:43:13am

re: #125 William Lewis

They should but I’ll bet they won’t. It’s too religious an item for many of them. You’ll have as much success getting a Roman Catholic Bishop to go Pro-Choice as you will to get the city Democrats to let go of being anti-gun.

Um, not being for guns sold like apples is not being anti-gun.

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Big Beautiful Door Nov 27, 2016 • 5:45:37am

re: #126 Nyet

If people who are usually likely voters don’t vote or vote for a third party because they are a) not enthusiastic about the candidate and b) get convinced that the candidate will win anyway, this has more significance than unlikely voters not voting.

Repeating that these people are likely voters doesn’t refute the hypothesis, quite the opposite in fact.

Granted, I just think they would’ve voted anyway. The only modeler who didn’t end up with egg on his face was Nate Silver, who gave Trump the highest odds of winning and warned a Trump victory was a very real possibility.

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William Lewis Nov 27, 2016 • 5:48:27am

re: #127 Nyet

Um, not being for guns sold like apples is not being anti-gun.

Might as well be to the rural folks because they see that as being “a little bit pregnant” at best. What you might consider common sense they see as step one to Australia or UK firearms policy, not (for an example of my preference) that of the Czech Republic. Combine that with all the people now at far greater risk to life and limb thanks to purity of ideology…

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jeffreyw Nov 27, 2016 • 5:49:15am

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Good morning!

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Patricia Kayden Nov 27, 2016 • 5:49:48am

re: #24 mmmirele

LGF needs a recipe section because some of you can really throw down in the kitchen. That pie looks delicious.

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harlequinade Nov 27, 2016 • 5:54:06am

re: #130 jeffreyw

Ok…that’s the weirdest breakfast I’ve seen in a long time.

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harlequinade Nov 27, 2016 • 5:54:27am

re: #131 Patricia Kayden

LGF needs a recipe section because some of you can really throw down in the kitchen. That pie looks delicious.

and a new cookbook!

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Colère Tueur de Lapin Nov 27, 2016 • 5:54:33am

re: #119 Nyet

So why is Sanders engaging in it?

re: #121 Jayleia

I’d guess its because it helps the White Working Class. Goddammit Bernie!

I would suggest that Bernie is an aging socialist who sees that egging on the WWC through nationalistic tendencies is the best to continue his power. I never saw him as a true socialist, anyway. He is an opportunist who will try to maintain power anyway, as I see it. He is not ‘pure’ in any sense of the word, which makes all the purity ponies even more annoying

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Patricia Kayden Nov 27, 2016 • 5:58:27am

re: #62 bratwurst

Doesn’t have dinner with Don King and Fabio to focus on?

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I wish Secretary Clinton had challenged Michigan and Pennsylvania too instead of just Wisconsin. If the situation was reversed, we already know Trump wouldn’t have accepted Secretary Clinton’s electoral win and popular vote loss. He already made it clear that he wouldn’t accept the election results if he lost. She’s well within her rights to challenge the close states.

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PhillyPretzel Nov 27, 2016 • 6:01:28am

re: #135 Patricia Kayden

So very true.

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Backwoods_Sleuth Nov 27, 2016 • 6:08:42am

Trump is tweet ranting this morning.

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PhillyPretzel Nov 27, 2016 • 6:09:49am

re: #137 Backwoods_Sleuth

It is his version of Meet the Press. /half

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jeffreyw Nov 27, 2016 • 6:13:16am

re: #132 harlequinade

Ok…that’s the weirdest breakfast I’ve seen in a long time.

Perhaps I was being too subtle. The cat’s name is Pineapple and the girl is not named Pizza. :)

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Backwoods_Sleuth Nov 27, 2016 • 6:21:16am

Nothing says you’re not mad quite like an 8-tweet rant spread over 12 hours. pic.twitter.com/i2x9XczFqJ

— Parker Molloy (@ParkerMolloy) November 27, 2016

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Patricia Kayden Nov 27, 2016 • 6:24:05am

re: #111 goddamnedfrank

I live in a very blue state (Maryland) but would buy a gun for protection if I was living in the states where racists are acting up because of Trump’s win. Or at the very least buy some mace. I understand the fear that those Black people in the linked article are expressing.

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Backwoods_Sleuth Nov 27, 2016 • 6:25:04am

Trump Tower turns into ‘Dump Tower’ on Google Maps https://t.co/6s8sRbZR2p #USNews #USRC pic.twitter.com/uuQ5ySh6oa

— U.S. Reality Check (@USRealityCheck) November 27, 2016

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Myron Falwell (no relation) Nov 27, 2016 • 6:30:01am

Trump’s Twitter feed soon to be sponsored by Brawndo, the Thirst Mutilator.

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harlequinade Nov 27, 2016 • 6:43:08am

re: #139 jeffreyw

If I didn’t have to get on a flight, I’d have said:

“Odd. Because the best place for pineapple is on pizza.”

But if I said that now, I’d miss all the fun…

See you all in a few :D

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baileylamb Nov 27, 2016 • 6:43:59am

re: #93 Charles Johnson

I know Castro was sickly but I have an insane theory that Fidel finding out that the Russians had become exporters of Neo Nazis (2.0) was the thing that killed him

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baileylamb Nov 27, 2016 • 6:47:27am

re: #96 goddamnedfrank

Castro was a tyrannical piece of shit, but the system he helped overthrow was both corrupt and structurally racist as all fuck. There was a massive racial disparity between the Cubans who own property before the revolution and those who didn’t. That disparity was reflected in those who fled vs. who tended to stay. There’s a reason the Cuban expat population overwhelmingly trends white / light skinned, those are the people whose standards of living were disrupted the most under Castro. I’m not saying Cuba under Castro became a paradise for Black Cubans or some paragon of racial equality, but opposing apartheid was an entirely natural and organic policy in line with contemporary Communist ideology.

The Soviets viewed Western structural racism as a winning propaganda issue for them, a way of publicly distinguishing their own utopian ideas from what they presented as a decadent, unprincipled and most importantly an intrinsically exploitative West. Yes the motivation was almost certainly in large part cynical, so what? Half the damn time that’s how progress occurs, those in power never just wake up en masse one day and decide out of the goodness of their hearts to stop treating those different from themselves like garbage.

And in 201 the Russians are using structural racism to spread the idea of facism and kelptocracy; what a truly odd world we live in.

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sagehen Nov 27, 2016 • 6:52:24am

TV rec:

New series on Syfy starts this week, ep 1 is online. They’ve modeled their dystopia on what if climate change and income inequality continue to increase on today’s trendlines, the story is set in 2074.

Visually stunning, the cast includes all the Vancouver-based genre actors you know from a zillion sci-fi shows already, from Affleck/Damon’s production company

INCORPORATED Season 1 FEATURETTE What’s Incorporated (2017) SyFy Series

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darthstar Nov 27, 2016 • 6:54:41am

re: #147 sagehen

TV rec:

New series on Syfy starts this week, ep 1 is online. They’ve modeled their dystopia on what if climate change and income inequality continue to increase on today’s trendlines, the story is set in 2074.

Visually stunning, the cast includes all the Vancouver-based genre actors you know from a zillion sci-fi shows already, from Affleck/Damon’s production company

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I watched most of the pilot on On Demand last week when I had an hour to kill. Looks like it could be a good show.

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Anymouse Nov 27, 2016 • 6:56:10am

re: #125 William Lewis

They should but I’ll bet they won’t. It’s too religious an item for many of them. You’ll have as much success getting a Roman Catholic Bishop to go Pro-Choice as you will to get the city Democrats to let go of being anti-gun.

Hit and run post here, because I have to go to bed.

I do not own a gun as a religious icon. I do not worship guns or think everyone old enough to hold one should have them. I would be in favour of titling guns much the same way as houses or cars are titled, to keep track of where the things are going.

A couple years ago, I ran off burglars from inside the church across the street from my house (God works in mysterious ways, even through shotgun-armed atheists).

This is not the least population density county in the nation by far, but it is plenty empty.

The sheriff has one car and one deputy. If that car and deputy are on the other side of the county when I need the sheriff, he is fifty miles from my house. Even if he is in the office, he is sixteen miles from my house.

I am not a fan of the NRA’s catchphrase “an armed society is a polite society,” because it is patently untrue. Nevertheless, there are more guns in this village (not counting the gun shop) than there are people. Anyone thinking this would be a good place to rob would be quickly disabused of that notion.

The last crime to occur here was in 1955. It actually did not occur here, but in Oshkosh, some forty miles away (three towns east). Two men from Omaha robbed and killed the owner of a restaurant there (as it turned out, the man was deaf and they killed him for not complying with their commands, not knowing he was deaf).

The killers escaped west. Like my county, Garden County’s sheriff’s deputy at the time was on the edge of the county when the call came in from his wife; the only people that could stop the murderers were my county.

They arrived at high speed, greeted by the village marshal and just about every adult that could bear a weapon. They surrendered without incident, while our own deputy trucked in some thirty miles to pick them up.

In a city perhaps, there is not much need for weapons (aside from target shooting or hunting). Out here where we have no protection, where hunting is the norm, &c, you aren’t going to get anyone to give up a weapon (even me).

What I think needs to be done is improve safety (including appropriate training), tracking (my title idea above or something else), and perhaps even testing (you have to take a test to drive a car, and yes cars used to be considered an inalienable right that could not be infringed even with plates or licenses) which the courts consistently upheld for decades.

How that can be done has to start with ending the “repeal the II Amendment” nonsense arguments, or other such things as viewed as “taking guns.”

Such education would not be easy, and might surely take a generation or more. That does not mean “well, shoot, it’s too hard so we won’t do it.” No one in my town thinks I am out to outlaw their guns. (Speaking of guns, gunfire just opened up on the river near my home; hunting season.) I likely would oppose such a thing myself.

That does not make me a fake liberal. (There is plenty of purity politics amongst Democrats as well.) I’m all for getting the NRA out of elections (as part of the broader strategy of public financing of elections). But a purity pony argument of ban all guns won’t even fly with all liberals, much less conservatives.

The Orphaned Right: The Right to Travel by Automobile: 1890-1950, Oklahoma Law Review, 2005

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darthstar Nov 27, 2016 • 7:15:11am

What kind of deal did Obama strike with Trump that he has decided to dump cold water on the recounts?

— Hesiod Theogeny (@Hesiod2k11) November 27, 2016

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Obama saying he doesn’t think hackers had an effect on election and that means he”s striking deals with Trump? #HillaryBoysAreFickle https://t.co/ntyIUJ2lca

— Sean McCabe (@darthstar99) November 27, 2016

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Anymouse Nov 27, 2016 • 7:22:41am

re: #150 darthstar

I am not sure why President Obama would dump cold water on a recount.

It is Dr. Stein’s absolute right to request a recount as long as she or her supporters are paying for it. Although the Wisconsin GOP claimed it was a waste of time, the State of Wisconsin is not paying for the recount.

I personally don’t think that a recount of the states in question are going to change the outcome by more than a handful of votes, but the last time the Greens and Libertarians asked for a recount in a state (Ohio, 2004), it ended with two elections officials going to jail.

Wisconsin was picked specifically because it still uses elections equipment banned in other states due to ease of hacking and no updates from the manufacturer.

If the recounts come in showing the election was on the up-and-up, it can do nothing more than strengthen the idea that our voting system is secure (and might also be armament against draconian voter-suppression laws in other states). If, like the Ohio recount in 2004 the recount turns up dirty elections officials, then the recount also serves a worthwhile purpose even though it will not likely change the result.

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darthstar Nov 27, 2016 • 7:28:29am

re: #151 Anymouse

He’s not dumping cold water on the recount. He’s just saying that the US government stands behind the will of the people. He really can’t say otherwise as President…unless there was some kind of blatant fraud that was noted during the voting.

FL, OH, PA aren’t changing. Neither is WI. Even if it did, Trump would remain the victor.

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(alpuz) Nov 27, 2016 • 7:32:17am

re: #152 darthstar

He’s not dumping cold water on the recount. He’s just saying that the US government stands behind the will of the people. He really can’t say otherwise as President…unless there was some kind of blatant fraud that was noted during the voting.

FL, OH, PA aren’t changing. Neither is WI. Even if it did, Trump would remain the victor.

I agree with all of this. At the same time there needs to be a good look into what’s been going on in Wisconsin. Maybe I’m paranoid, but things have been going south(no pun intended) since 2010.

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Anymouse Nov 27, 2016 • 7:34:11am

re: #152 darthstar

He’s not dumping cold water on the recount. He’s just saying that the US government stands behind the will of the people. He really can’t say otherwise as President…unless there was some kind of blatant fraud that was noted during the voting.

FL, OH, PA aren’t changing. Neither is WI. Even if it did, Trump would remain the victor.

Ah. I did not read President Obama’s specific statement on the recounts, so I only have fifth-hand information about it.

As I understand from Dr. Stein’s campaign Website, she intends to file for recounts in Wisconsin (done yesterday), Michigan, and Pennsylvania. I’m guessing that the recounts will not significantly change the vote counts, and will thus affirm the security of the vote (that is a good thing).

Dr. Stein specifically notes she is not interested in electing Hillary Clinton; the recounts are to ensure the integrity of the vote and the election officials. (If by some incredibly unlikely chance all three states did flip, Hillary Clinton would be the winner in the Electoral Collage, Donald Trump would cause Twitter to collapse into a black hole, and there would likely be a request from the Trump Campaign for another recount; which would be his right as long as he or his campaign are paying for it.)

Trumpistas would go ballistic. (Another reason I ain’t giving my shotgun up.)

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Donkey With No Name Nov 27, 2016 • 7:50:18am

Perhaps the people who insist that city Democrats should avoid taking about even the most light-touch of gun regulation, which probably would have been supported by the 1950s era NRA, would like to actually address their concerns with some recommendations.

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Belafon Nov 27, 2016 • 8:02:21am

Precinct maps of #TX32 (northeast Dallas). After a 17% swing, @PeteSessions now sits in a Clinton district. pic.twitter.com/UcjHXKkwTV

— J. Miles Coleman (@JMilesColeman) November 26, 2016

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Sessions ran unopposed.

As someone who lives near, but not in this area, I would be curious who would have run against him, but this is something to build on.

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Jenner7 Nov 27, 2016 • 8:11:25am

On @CNN, @KellyannePolls says Trump getting foreign intel from “many sources” - just not the daily US intelligence briefings. @MalcolmNance

— Reillybergs (@reillybergs) November 27, 2016

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On @CNN, @KellyannePolls says Trump getting foreign intel from “many sources” - just not the daily US intelligence briefings. @MalcolmNance

— Reillybergs (@reillybergs) November 27, 2016

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Asked xx if refusing US intel briefings, @KellyannePolls refused to answer, said talking w foreign ldrs& others to get info. @MalcolmNance https://t.co/1YZg2ygskY

— Reillybergs (@reillybergs) November 27, 2016

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This is just….

fucked up.

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Decatur Deb Nov 27, 2016 • 8:11:27am

re: #155 Donkey With No Name

Perhaps the people who insist that city Democrats should avoid taking about even the most light-touch of gun regulation, which probably would have been supported by the 1950s era NRA, would like to actually address their concerns with some recommendations.

There are only two pathways to meaningful gun regulation: confirming ‘friendly’ USSC Justices, or creating an electorate that would advance amendment of the Constitution. Abortive efforts to regulate, until the overwhelming mass of Americans reaches disgust or enlightenment, helped set the window for action back by a half-generation. We’ve just watched that happen. Before we can legislate, we must educate.

Can’t comment more than 1-2 times per day—eye meds. BBL

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makeitstop Nov 27, 2016 • 8:15:33am

re: #157 Jenner7

This is just….

fucked up.

The con man has become the mark. Who knows what bullshit Putin is feeding him at this point.

And you fucking know it’s Putin she’s talking about.

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Belafon Nov 27, 2016 • 8:16:17am

re: #157 Jenner7

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This is just….

fucked up.

Breitbart and Infowars are not sources, they’re lies.

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We're Way Beyond Snark Nov 27, 2016 • 8:17:25am

re: #158 Decatur Deb

Welcome back, DD. I hope everything went well.

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Belafon Nov 27, 2016 • 8:20:00am

I hadn’t seen this before. It’s from 2015, talking about getting involved in local precincts: dailykos.com.

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Unshaken Defiance Nov 27, 2016 • 8:22:52am

I could not believe my eyes here in California to see the extra long lines. Nobody will argue voter suppression here. Unless one might say to support the incumbents maybe? The Dems own this state.

So one could increase the vote a lot here. But there is no political incentive. What causes long lines? Not enough voting places. What causes that? Not enough money. The budget argument makes it easy to go cheap and take (leave?) ten or (?) percent of the voters out of the equation.

We need a stronger incentive to support the vote. GOTV aimed straight at recalcitrant states.

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Timothy Watson Nov 27, 2016 • 8:28:59am

re: #147 sagehen

TV rec:

New series on Syfy starts this week, ep 1 is online. They’ve modeled their dystopia on what if climate change and income inequality continue to increase on today’s trendlines, the story is set in 2074.

Visually stunning, the cast includes all the Vancouver-based genre actors you know from a zillion sci-fi shows already, from Affleck/Damon’s production company

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Just checked out its cast. Dennis Haysbert and David Hewlett?! I need to check this out.

(Next to see Hewlett getting some work after Stargate Atlantis.)

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Targetpractice Nov 27, 2016 • 8:43:08am

re: #157 Jenner7

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This is just….

fucked up.

Putin’s not the only guy who is probably loving this. There’s numerous world leaders out there who’d love some measure of influence over our president. All they have to do is massage his ego and feed him whatever he wants to hear and they’re in like Flint.

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BigPapa Nov 27, 2016 • 8:44:19am

Watching AMJoy right now where it seems they’re having an epiphany about Breitbart, calling it a cesspool.

I’m sorry. But I want to throw a fucking table at the TV right now. Where were the lot of you a few months ago?

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darthstar Nov 27, 2016 • 8:46:53am

Happy Sunday. #OptOutside pic.twitter.com/9XGealMfj5

— Sean McCabe (@darthstar99) November 27, 2016

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Jenner7 Nov 27, 2016 • 8:50:52am

My machete wielding Aunt, who voted for Trump, probably doesn’t even care that her glorious leader is ignoring intelligence.

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electrotek Nov 27, 2016 • 8:53:28am

How will the right-wingers argue against their Kurdish “allies” praising their enemy Castro?

YPG’s international volunteers commemorate Fidel Castro in Rojava, northern Syria #FidelCasto #Cuba pic.twitter.com/sw9892TIiv

— Rojava Defense Units (@DefenseUnits) November 26, 2016

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JasonA Nov 27, 2016 • 8:53:48am

Is anyone else feeling 99.999999% sure that Mitt won’t get the SoS job even if he apologizes?

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electrotek Nov 27, 2016 • 8:55:29am

This is pretty funny, I must say:

@man_in_radiator eliminated illiteracy and provided free health care for everyone?

— Sweet Daddy Dickslap (@cervixseasoning) November 26, 2016

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sagehen Nov 27, 2016 • 9:00:39am

re: #170 JasonA

Is anyone else feeling 99.999999% sure that Mitt won’t get the SoS job even if he apologizes?

He’ll be offered 3rd Assistant Undersecretary for some low-priority department, serving under a hack Cabinet official. He’ll turn it down. Which will be grounds for Trump to claim he reached out to his opponents, he offered them a chance to contribute, it’s not his fault they’re unwilling.

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Jenner7 Nov 27, 2016 • 9:02:53am

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darthstar Nov 27, 2016 • 9:03:29am

Damn…i was getting ready to default on my student loans under Trump and they took the last payment out four days ago. pic.twitter.com/cwyOl1lTlT

— Sean McCabe (@darthstar99) November 27, 2016

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darthstar Nov 27, 2016 • 9:04:31am

re: #174 darthstar

That includes an extra 15,000 dollars of debt I took off my ex-wife’s hands in order to get her to sign our divorce papers.

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Myron Falwell (no relation) Nov 27, 2016 • 9:05:29am

Heh.

The Democrats, when they incorrectly thought they were going to win, asked that the election night tabulation be accepted. Not so anymore!

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) November 27, 2016

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This is turning me in favor of the recount. The peaceful-transition-of-power playbook doesn’t usually include taunting your opponents. https://t.co/zp09H1tBYS

— Nate Silver (@NateSilver538) November 27, 2016

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Myron Falwell (no relation) Nov 27, 2016 • 9:07:21am

re: #176 Myron Falwell (no relation)

…and Nate’s Tweetstorm that follows is a simple affirmation of common sense. (What a concept!)

So it’s not really a “recount”. Not about a few votes here and there. It’s more like an audit or an investigation into possible fraud. (3/

— Nate Silver (@NateSilver538) November 27, 2016

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But I worry that people will grasp at straws, and claim to detect anomalies in perfectly normal results. Already been some of that. (5/

— Nate Silver (@NateSilver538) November 27, 2016

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…before your suspicions are aroused too much. Also look toward the Clinton campaign which will take a cautious view: https://t.co/Hs2XA4vT0E

— Nate Silver (@NateSilver538) November 27, 2016

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Anymouse Nov 27, 2016 • 9:09:02am

re: #155 Donkey With No Name

Perhaps the people who insist that city Democrats should avoid taking about even the most light-touch of gun regulation, which probably would have been supported by the 1950s era NRA, would like to actually address their concerns with some recommendations.

Well, I didn’t suggest that, and I offered recommendations above.

I also offered the Oklahoma Law Review paper which shows how driving unlicensed an unregistered automobile went from an absolute, inviolable right, to the most highly regulated aspect of modern life.

It took literal generations of effort to change minds and laws to show why regulation of autos and drivers was needed. I am under no illusions the same is required of gun regulations and shooters. I am convinced that if you simply tried to pass a law (as the turn of the last century legislatures tried to do with autos and drivers), that law would be slapped down by the courts on Constitutional grounds (just as auto laws were).

Changing hearts and minds about stricter regulation or registration and licensing and safety training is likely to be a multi-generational effort, just as cars were.

It’s kind of like a pound of M&Ms. Eat the whole pound in one sitting (pass sweeping gun reform), you’ll get violently ill (your gun regulations will be thrown out). Nibble a bit at a time (incrementally move the narrative on guns and laws), and you’ll be fine.

A purity pony argument of “all of our gun regulations right now” is doomed, every bit as much as any other purity pony issue. As much as leftier than thou types hate to admit it, incrementalism works far better than sweeping revolution.

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Anymouse Nov 27, 2016 • 9:10:43am

re: #168 Jenner7

My machete wielding Aunt, who voted for Trump, probably doesn’t even care that her glorious leader is ignoring intelligence.

Remind me not to go anywhere near your aunt (not because she voted for Mr. Trump, but because she wields a machete).

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Ace-o-aces Nov 27, 2016 • 9:12:06am

re: #169 electrotek

How will the right-wingers argue against their Kurdish “allies” praising their enemy Castro?

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Right-wing support for Kurds has always been an odd thing. Like most right-wing positions, it seems based on ignorance and wishful thinking.

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Jenner7 Nov 27, 2016 • 9:13:41am

re: #179 Anymouse

She thinks ISIS is coming.

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Ace-o-aces Nov 27, 2016 • 9:14:50am

He relies mostly on his daily instructions from Putin. @reillybergs @CNN @KellyannePolls @MalcolmNance

— aceoaces (@aceoaces) November 27, 2016

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Timothy Watson Nov 27, 2016 • 9:15:37am

re: #180 Ace-o-aces

Right-wing support for Kurds has always been an odd thing. Like most right-wing positions, it seems based on ignorance and wishful thinking.

They seem to ignore the “Workers” part of the Kurdistan Workers’ Party.

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Timothy Watson Nov 27, 2016 • 9:16:16am

re: #181 Jenner7

She thinks ISIS is coming.

And machete beats AK-47 in her world?

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Anymouse Nov 27, 2016 • 9:18:38am

re: #181 Jenner7

She thinks ISIS is coming.

Well, then, I don’t really know what to say about that. I suppose a machete is safer than a rifle (considerably lower chance of killing someone).

re: #184 Timothy Watson

And machete beats AK-47 in her world?

Perhaps she thinks she can lop off the barrel? /s

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We're Way Beyond Snark Nov 27, 2016 • 9:19:15am

re: #184 Timothy Watson

And machete beats AK-47 in her world?

Probably better at close quarters.

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BigPapa Nov 27, 2016 • 9:20:50am

Today the right mourns the death of another Whataboutism Sacred Cow, Fidel Castro. They won’t have the Fidel doll to beat progressives with.

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Ace-o-aces Nov 27, 2016 • 9:21:20am

Don’t know if any of you saw this interview with po’ widdle Ben Shapiro on Slate about the alt-right. Unsurprisingly, he fails to mention his own part in promoting Breitbart’s brand of racism when it suited his purposes. And he’s still pretending Andrew Breitbart was some kind of principled conservative and not a right-wing race baiter.

slate.com

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electrotek Nov 27, 2016 • 9:22:04am

re: #180 Ace-o-aces

Right-wing support for Kurds has always been an odd thing. Like most right-wing positions, it seems based on ignorance and wishful thinking.

Yeah they forget that majority of Kurds are Muslim and identify as such.

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Jenner7 Nov 27, 2016 • 9:22:31am

re: #185 Anymouse

Yeah, she’s nuts.

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Timothy Watson Nov 27, 2016 • 9:30:08am

re: #186 We’re Way Beyond Snark

Probably better at close quarters.

I would make an XCOM 2 joke, but it would probably be lost on most people.

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retired cynic Nov 27, 2016 • 9:30:44am

Fred Clark has a good Sunday post, which can be extended into textual criticism, but starts out with an anti-gay nut of a preacher: patheos.com

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We're Way Beyond Snark Nov 27, 2016 • 9:37:31am

re: #191 Timothy Watson

I would make an XCOM 2 joke, but it would probably be lost on most people.

Sadly, including me.

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DanielKi Nov 27, 2016 • 9:38:07am

re: #191 Timothy Watson

I would make an XCOM 2 joke, but it would probably be lost on most people.

Not on me! :) Great game.

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DanielKi Nov 27, 2016 • 9:40:26am

Actually the XCOM 2 storyline kind of models the current political situation. The evil guys have won, now what? It’s definitely an uphill battle.

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Timothy Watson Nov 27, 2016 • 9:44:09am

Bowie State study on lynching revisits Maryland’s dark past | WTOP https://t.co/FPPw9c145j via @WTOP

— Timothy Watson (@timothy_watson) November 27, 2016

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electrotek Nov 27, 2016 • 9:44:14am

This happened at a bar I hang out at frequently, know the staff there and they are lovely people. Pissed off that this happened there:

Facebook Post

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Donkey With No Name Nov 27, 2016 • 9:47:01am

re: #178 Anymouse

A purity pony argument of “all of our gun regulations right now” is doomed, every bit as much as any other purity pony issue. As much as leftier than thou types hate to admit it, incrementalism works far better than sweeping revolution.

See, from where I sit, there isn’t even a question of imposing any new regulations; in fact, what we see is a coordinated effort to roll back what regulations do exist now. In Texas, open carry of handguns and concealed carry on campuses wasn’t a thing until quite recently, and in fact isn’t supported by a majority of Texans - but it’s supported by the ones who vote in Republican primaries, and that’s what matters.

IMO it’s absolutely a culture war thing - the NRA & gun manufacturers have an obvious interest in making people as fearful as possible, so we have handgun ownership spiking as violent crime decreases, the expansion of Stand Your Ground laws, and so forth, due to those who are terrified entirely out of proportion to reality. So I’m not really convinced that “education” is going to do much. If we can find a way to figure out how to stop certain Americans from being so damned scared of everything all the time, that might help.

To be clear, I’m a city-dwelling liberal who has no objection to rural Nebraskans owning firearms. The thought of owning one has crossed my mind, but I don’t find that an honest, actual threat assessment weighed against the responsibility comes out on the side of making a purchase. I do object to the idea that computerized government tracking of gun ownership is a sign of the Antichrist, or that there shouldn’t be penalties for people who have their guns stolen or kill innocent people posing no threat solely because they say they were “afraid”. But until Birch Society Fever dies down I don’t really know what one can do.

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Donkey With No Name Nov 27, 2016 • 9:48:49am

re: #179 Anymouse

Remind me not to go anywhere near your aunt (not because she voted for Mr. Trump, but because she wields a machete).

Fact: it is more illegal in Texas to carry a machete in public than a handgun. (As to why, I think it should be obvious, which is why I tend to take the motivations of our Second Amendment freaks with a pinch of salt.)

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Anymouse Nov 27, 2016 • 9:49:41am

re: #190 Jenner7

Yeah, she’s nuts.

So am I but I don’t go swinging machetes around. I just write nonsensical comments at places like Little Green Footballs and Wonkette.

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sagehen Nov 27, 2016 • 9:49:57am

re: #192 retired cynic

Fred Clark has a good Sunday post, which can be extended into textual criticism, but starts out with an anti-gay nut of a preacher: patheos.com

Fred Clark and the regulars in his comment section are the main thing that keeps me from hating Christians.

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BigPapa Nov 27, 2016 • 9:53:12am

Is it wrong that every time I see culture war I think of people throwing buckets of yogurt at each other?

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retired cynic Nov 27, 2016 • 9:53:17am

re: #201 sagehen

Fred Clark and the regulars in his comment section are the main thing that keeps me from hating Christians.

Me, too. I wish I knew him.

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Dr. Matt Nov 27, 2016 • 9:53:47am

Pure class from America’s armpit.

Instagram

This is disgusting.

Stay Classy, Ohio.

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Anymouse Nov 27, 2016 • 9:57:07am

re: #197 electrotek

This happened at a bar I hang out at frequently, know the staff there and they are lovely people. Pissed off that this happened there:

I don’t understand why people want to be so awful in the first place, let alone in such a manner it could be made instantly public. (Good on you for calling out the name of the person. Many people obscure the name of such an evil person—evil should always be called out by name.)

I don’t give a hoot if a Caucasian, an African-American, or a freakin’ Martian provides my service in a restaurant or bar (well, a Martian might get my attention). All I care about is how attentive the service is.

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HappyWarrior Nov 27, 2016 • 9:58:32am

re: #197 electrotek

This happened at a bar I hang out at frequently, know the staff there and they are lovely people. Pissed off that this happened there:

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Infuriating.

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HappyWarrior Nov 27, 2016 • 9:58:52am

re: #204 Dr. Matt

Pure class from America’s armpit.

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Dr. Matt Nov 27, 2016 • 9:59:16am

re: #197 electrotek

This happened at a bar I hang out at frequently, know the staff there and they are lovely people. Pissed off that this happened there:

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To no surprise, he couldn’t even spell the n-word correctly at first.

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Dr. Matt Nov 27, 2016 • 10:00:59am

re: #207 HappyWarrior

Childish dicks but hey isn’t PC culture ruining everything? //

Yup. Americans should be able to loudly declare “Heil Trump” anytime we want.

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BigPapa Nov 27, 2016 • 10:01:41am

I’m saddened that one of the noblest and oldest of all professions, serving other people a meal, is so disparaged. I always respect somebody who puts in the work and makes delicious food and serves it to me, then cleans up the mess.

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retired cynic Nov 27, 2016 • 10:01:57am

re: #197 electrotek

This happened at a bar I hang out at frequently, know the staff there and they are lovely people. Pissed off that this happened there:

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I was afraid of what Trump had called out during the last 18 months, afraid of what would happen if he lost. When he ‘won,’ I was afraid of what would happen if the election was overturned. Since we seem to be seeing hatred unleashed, I suppose I want the election overturned, by recount or faithless electors, or any legal way. If we have the hatred anyway, we might as well earn it.

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KGxvi Nov 27, 2016 • 10:02:06am

re: #149 Anymouse

The answer on guns may well lie in something akin to “home rule.” We see it in some states where there is one particularly large city/county in an otherwise rural state (Nevada passed a home rule law last year).

Local regulation of guns, with certain specific federal and/or state level baselines, actually makes sense. The need/usefulness of guns in your community is highly different from mine, in Long Beach, California (2010 population 262,257). Hell, the need/usefulness of guns here is probably a lot different than it is in Inyo County (2010 population: 18,546) here in California.

There are of course still issues with this approach. For example, what is to stop someone from buying a gun in one place with lax regulation and taking (and then using) in a place with stricter regulations?

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HappyWarrior Nov 27, 2016 • 10:02:22am

re: #209 Dr. Matt

Yup. Americans should be able to loudly declare “Heil Trump” anytime we want.

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Eclectic Cyborg Nov 27, 2016 • 10:02:44am

re: #205 Anymouse

I am sure there’s an actual term for it but the reality is some people get their jollies by pissing others off.

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BigPapa Nov 27, 2016 • 10:02:45am

re: #209 Dr. Matt

Yup. Americans should be able to loudly declare “Heil Trump” anytime we want.

I’ve noticed the deafening lack crying about ‘Liberal plants!’

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HappyWarrior Nov 27, 2016 • 10:04:53am

The thing about guns and the reason why many urbanites do favor stricter gun laws is that gun violence is something that happens in their cities. Not trying to pick on rural residents here but people who witness gun violence in their backyards are naturally going to be in favor of more regulations. Honestly, the frustrating thing to me is the polls suggest that many Americans including many gun owners do in fact agree with our position but the NRA/gun lobby is able to turn anything proposed including things they once supported into “They’re out for your guns.” Honestly, I don’t care if it’s unpopular, I am still going to believe in common sense measures because I do want to and still think we can reduce tragedies with guns in this country.

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Dr. Matt Nov 27, 2016 • 10:05:22am

Adolf Drump went on a tweet shitstorm about the recounts. Just imagine if he had 2.5 million more votes than Hillary. He would be going apeshit the entire MSM would be giving his rants unfettered coverage and support. The media fucking sucks.

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HappyWarrior Nov 27, 2016 • 10:05:29am

re: #215 BigPapa

I’ve noticed the deafening lack crying about ‘Liberal plants!’

Well they can’t claim that so they’re using the BS- They were just joking. Because you know “Heil Obama or Heil Clinton” with a Nazi salute would go so well.

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BigPapa Nov 27, 2016 • 10:05:32am

This person seems to be keeping up on fake news:
Tweets by katestarbird

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Anymouse Nov 27, 2016 • 10:06:48am

re: #198 Donkey With No Name

See, from where I sit, there isn’t even a question of imposing any new regulations; in fact, what we see is a coordinated effort to roll back what regulations do exist now. In Texas, open carry of handguns and concealed carry on campuses wasn’t a thing until quite recently, and in fact isn’t supported by a majority of Texans - but it’s supported by the ones who vote in Republican primaries, and that’s what matters.

And there is the problem: A majority of Texans think this should not be a thing, but aren’t organised enough to vote in elections. As the Auto Orphaned Right article above illustrates, it is a multi-generational strategy that wins the day. Texas (and my own state) will have to dig in for the long haul.

“Stand your ground” laws are nothing more than a license to kill without repercussions. (We do not have one in this state.) That is part of the culture that needs to be changed through multi-generational strategy.

To be clear, I’m a city-dwelling liberal who has no objection to rural Nebraskans owning firearms. The thought of owning one has crossed my mind, but I don’t find that an honest, actual threat assessment weighed against the responsibility comes out on the side of making a purchase. I do object to the idea that computerized government tracking of gun ownership is a sign of the Antichrist, or that there shouldn’t be penalties for people who have their guns stolen or kill innocent people posing no threat solely because they say they were “afraid”. But until Birch Society Fever dies down I don’t really know what one can do.

I have no objection to the government tracking firearms any more than I have to them tracking my car or house. That paper I cited again “Auto: Orphaned Right” talks about how cars were viewed from 1890 on the same way guns are now (guns weren’t always a thing the Supreme Court considered should be so unregulated - even DC v Heller did not provide a blanket ownership right). That paper is well-worth reading, because the strategies used in bringing drivers and cars under regulation (both successful and failed) would also work with firearms.

As for conservative wingnuts, everything is a sign of the Antichrist. Perhaps if the left could somehow paint their failed prophecy (and be clear, conservative claims of One World Government (tm) and seizure of private firearms and who knows what else) is just as much a religious belief as any other faith: Not based in fact.

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Timothy Watson Nov 27, 2016 • 10:07:55am

re: #212 KGxvi

The answer on guns may well lie in something akin to “home rule.” We see it in some states where there is one particularly large city/county in an otherwise rural state (Nevada passed a home rule law last year).

Local regulation of guns, with certain specific federal and/or state level baselines, actually makes sense. The need/usefulness of guns in your community is highly different from mine, in Long Beach, California (2010 population 262,257). Hell, the need/usefulness of guns here is probably a lot different than it is in Inyo County (2010 population: 18,546) here in California.

There are of course still issues with this approach. For example, what is to stop someone from buying a gun in one place with lax regulation and taking (and then using) in a place with stricter regulations?

The problem is when people who want to sell guns illegally in D.C. or Maryland decide to go down to Virginia where they can purchase as many guns are they want, or just break into houses and steal them.

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Anymouse Nov 27, 2016 • 10:08:29am

re: #202 BigPapa

Is it wrong that every time I see culture war I think of people throwing buckets of yogurt at each other?

LOL. I hate yoghurt (I’ll have to use that on my wife, because she loves the stuff).

Culture war: Yoghurt balloon fight of rotted milk products.

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William Lewis Nov 27, 2016 • 10:08:51am

re: #158 Decatur Deb

There are only two pathways to meaningful gun regulation: confirming ‘friendly’ USSC Justices, or creating an electorate that would advance amendment of the Constitution. Abortive efforts to regulate, until the overwhelming mass of Americans reaches disgust or enlightenment, helped set the window for action back by a half-generation. We’ve just watched that happen. Before we can legislate, we must educate.

Can’t comment more than 1-2 times per day—eye meds. BBL

Think Tobacco.

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Targetpractice Nov 27, 2016 • 10:11:35am

re: #217 Dr. Matt

Adolf Drump went on a tweet shitstorm about the recounts. Just imagine if he had 2.5 million more votes than Hillary. He would be going apeshit the entire MSM would be giving his rants unfettered coverage and support. The media fucking sucks.

If Trump had lost the EC but won the PV by 2.5 (and counting) votes, for one thing he would have not conceded the race on Election Night. He would have demanded a congressional investigation, he would have immediately begun drafting litigation to challenge the state-level results, and he would have not stop talking in the media about how the election had been “stolen.” Not simply from him, but from “the American people.” And the media would go along with it, they’d talk about “discrepancies” at the polls, they’d talk about “rumors” of polling machines being hacked or potential “voter fraud.” For at least a week after the election, talk that Hillary’s win was not “legitimate” would dominate the airwaves.

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Anymouse Nov 27, 2016 • 10:12:15am

re: #221 Timothy Watson

The problem is when people who want to sell guns illegally in D.C. or Maryland decide to go down to Virginia where they can purchase as many guns are they want, or just break into houses and steal them.

The only solution is a Federal one.

Dealing with theft of firearms would be the same as dealing with the theft of an automobile under current law. If your titled and registered automobile is stolen and later appears in a crime, and you failed to report the theft, you are in a heap of trouble even if you did nothing more than fail to report the theft.

Likewise firearms: If they were titled or registered and you failed to report a theft, you might be on the hook for a crime committed with it. Under current laws, it is difficult to know how many stolen firearms there are that are not reported stolen. (I would certainly report my shotgun, those things are expensive. With many gun owners that don’t want the government within a mile of knowledge of their firearms, who knows if one would report a theft?)

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KGxvi Nov 27, 2016 • 10:13:58am

re: #221 Timothy Watson

The problem is when people who want to sell guns illegally in D.C. or Maryland decide to go down to Virginia where they can purchase as many guns are they want, or just break into houses and steal them.

As I said, there would still be issues with a system like this. But this would be one of those places where state and/or federal regulation would be needed. I’m also on board with Anymouse’s suggestion of a title system for guns - they already have serial numbers, so it really shouldn’t be that hard to implement.

But it’s worth recognizing that guns are a commodity that will likely always engender something of a black market. Like anything else that creates a black market, the goal should be to develop a system that marginalizes the black market and makes the costs of doing business there too high (something that strict prohibition usually doesn’t do, as we’ve seen with alcohol and drugs).

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Eclectic Cyborg Nov 27, 2016 • 10:14:57am

Question: would a law that limits the number of assualt rifles one could legally own to say, 2, be in violation of the 2nd Amendment?

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HappyWarrior Nov 27, 2016 • 10:15:44am

re: #221 Timothy Watson

The problem is when people who want to sell guns illegally in D.C. or Maryland decide to go down to Virginia where they can purchase as many guns are they want, or just break into houses and steal them.

Which is the problem with shaming D.C, Chicago, and NYC for their gun laws because it ignores that in the case of Indiana and Virginia, those two are literally a short drive from D.C. and Chicago. I don’t know what the ultimate solution it but I don’t feel we can do nothing either. I know a lot of gun owners are uncomfortable with it but it bothers me moer that we let the NRA push around on this debate. I’m willing to make some compromises on the issue but I will always favor strict background checks and things like that.

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Anymouse Nov 27, 2016 • 10:16:29am

re: #226 KGxvi

As I said, there would still be issues with a system like this. But this would be one of those places where state and/or federal regulation would be needed. I’m also on board with Anymouse’s suggestion of a title system for guns - they already have serial numbers, so it really shouldn’t be that hard to implement.

But it’s worth recognizing that guns are a commodity that will likely always engender something of a black market. Like anything else that creates a black market, the goal should be to develop a system that marginalizes the black market and makes the costs of doing business there too high (something that strict prohibition usually doesn’t do, as we’ve seen with alcohol and drugs).

Well, there is always a black market; there is a black market in automobiles and auto parts, despite titling and registration. No solution is perfect, someone will always find a way around the law (our simply flout it).

The trick here is like any other law: As its implementation shows how well it is working, it is further tweeked to fix the inevitable loopholes or blind spots that will appear.

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Eventual Carrion Nov 27, 2016 • 10:16:53am

re: #227 Eclectic Cyborg

Question: would a law that limits the number of assualt rifles one could legally own to say, 2, be in violation of the 2nd Amendment?

That would be too much like regulating the militia.

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KGxvi Nov 27, 2016 • 10:17:03am

re: #225 Anymouse

The only solution is a Federal one.

Dealing with theft of firearms would be the same as dealing with the theft of an automobile under current law. If your titled and registered automobile is stolen and later appears in a crime, and you failed to report the theft, you are in a heap of trouble even if you did nothing more than fail to report the theft.

Likewise firearms: If they were titled or registered and you failed to report a theft, you might be on the hook for a crime committed with it. Under current laws, it is difficult to know how many stolen firearms there are that are not reported stolen. (I would certainly report my shotgun, those things are expensive. With many gun owners that don’t want the government within a mile of knowledge of their firearms, who knows if one would report a theft?)

Title and registration laws, for real property and automobiles is done at the state level. Most work under a Model Code developed by the American Law Institute (they’ve done a lot of good work with model codes in order to create consistency throughout the country on a lot of issues).

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Dr. Matt Nov 27, 2016 • 10:17:13am

re: #227 Eclectic Cyborg

Question: would a law that limits the number of assualt rifles one could legally own to say, 2, be in violation of the 2nd Amendment?

The right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed. Check Mate, libtard!

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Unshaken Defiance Nov 27, 2016 • 10:17:42am

re: #227 Eclectic Cyborg

Question: would a law that limits the number of assualt rifles one could legally own to say, 2, be in violation of the 2nd Amendment?

Precedent says not. Lots of it.

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Donkey With No Name Nov 27, 2016 • 10:18:03am

re: #220 Anymouse

Also, just so you know, I did read the auto paper :-) What frustrates me is that, with guns, it’s not at this moment a matter of a long-term plan for better regulation for something new that we haven’t yet figured out; it’s more running as fast as we can to stay in the same place. (Which, to be fair, probably describes almost everything for the next four years…)

And, of course, the fear, which perverts everything.

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HappyWarrior Nov 27, 2016 • 10:19:32am

The question I really simply have is how do we prevent tragedies involving guns if so many gun owners see any legislation as a threat? How do we preserve a constitutional right while also reducing the number of children who accidentally find Daddy’s gun and shoot themselves or someone else. That to me is the biggest problem of all.

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Backwoods_Sleuth Nov 27, 2016 • 10:19:34am

This is remarkable. Conway isn’t just going after Romney’s past anti-Trump stance. She is also wondering whether he is qualified to be SOS. pic.twitter.com/pzzPUirk5n

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sagehen Nov 27, 2016 • 10:19:43am

re: #223 William Lewis

Think Tobacco.

Or drunk driving.

It used to be a .15 is what it took to face any legal consequences at all, and even then it was a mild fine. Now .08 is more than enough in most places, and penalties are harsh.

I remember reading an article awhile ago about how the “designated driver” was a deliberately promoted idea by MADD, they persuaded all the networks and producers on shows or movies that have scenes in bars to write it into the script, make it a cultural meme…

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Anymouse Nov 27, 2016 • 10:20:05am

re: #228 HappyWarrior

Which is the problem with shaming D.C, Chicago, and NYC for their gun laws because it ignores that in the case of Indiana and Virginia, those two are literally a short drive from D.C. and Chicago. I don’t know what the ultimate solution it but I don’t feel we can do nothing either. I know a lot of gun owners are uncomfortable with it but it bothers me moer that we let the NRA push around on this debate. I’m willing to make some compromises on the issue but I will always favor strict background checks and things like that.

The solution is Federal regulations that are applicable in every locale. That goes back to the automobile paper I posted above. It will take many years to move the narrative from “guns everywhere” to “highly regulated,” just as it did to move the narrative from “autos everywhere” to “highly regulated.”

This is an issue that will take decades to move the needle, but until we start working on a Federal solution, just as cases went to the Supreme Court over cars, we will get nowhere. As long as states are left with the ability to set minimum standards rather than the Federal Government, we will be left with the Iron Highway from Virginia to New York, or from Indiana to Chicago.

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HappyWarrior Nov 27, 2016 • 10:20:17am

re: #236 Backwoods_Sleuth

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HappyWarrior Nov 27, 2016 • 10:20:51am

re: #238 Anymouse

The solution is Federal regulations that are applicable in every locale. That goes back to the automobile paper I posted above. It will take many years to move the narrative from “guns everywhere” to “highly regulated,” just as it did to move the narrative from “autos everywhere” to “highly regulated.”

This is an issue that will take decades to move the needle, but until we start working on a Federal solution, just as cases went to the Supreme Court over cars, we will get nowhere. As long as states are left with the ability to set minimum standards rather than the Federal Government, we will be left with the Iron Highway from Virginia to New York, or from Indiana to Chicago.

That is true as well.

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Anymouse Nov 27, 2016 • 10:22:38am

re: #232 Dr. Matt

The right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed. Check Mate, libtard!

A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state… .

The membership of the NRA is a distinct minority. Even within the NRA’s membership, polls indicate a need for better laws.

As for the wingnut minority? Screw ‘em. The batshit insane wing is a tiny minority of the populace. We need to seize the narrative, starting with “A well regulated milita, … .”

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BigPapa Nov 27, 2016 • 10:24:07am

Our media is totally not prepared for a Trump presidency. They’re still focused on easy low hanging fruit of $2m per ~~year~~ day for Trump Tower security yet seem to ignore his main SpokesTrumpkin despot comments that ‘he’s being gracious not prosecuting Clinton even though she’s challenging the election.’

Full fucking stop. Trump has no power to prosecute anybody for anything. Does Conway know this? I’ve not seen her asked by an intrepid reporter.

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Anymouse Nov 27, 2016 • 10:24:30am

Perhaps the solution would be the creation of real state militias. “You want a gun? Sign here.”

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Skip Intro Nov 27, 2016 • 10:25:53am

re: #242 BigPapa

Our media is totally not prepared for a Trump presidency. They’re still focused on easy low hanging fruit of $2m per year for Trump Tower security yet seem to ignore his main SpokesTrumpkin despot comments that ‘he’s being gracious not prosecuting Clinton even though she’s challenging the election.’

Full fucking stop. Trump has no power to prosecute anybody for anything. Does Conway know this? I’ve not seen her asked by an intrepid reporter.

You mean $1 million per day, don’t you?

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William Lewis Nov 27, 2016 • 10:26:47am

re: #237 sagehen

Or drunk driving.

It used to be a .15 is what it took to face any legal consequences at all, and even then it was a mild fine. Now .08 is more than enough in most places, and penalties are harsh.

I remember reading an article awhile ago about how the “designated driver” was a deliberately promoted idea by MADD, they persuaded all the networks and producers on shows or movies that have scenes in bars to write it into the script, make it a cultural meme…

Exactly. Change the culture over a generation or perhaps even two and then the laws will change. But until then, nothing will change.

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Unshaken Defiance Nov 27, 2016 • 10:26:55am

re: #241 Anymouse

A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state… .

The membership of the NRA is a distinct minority. Even within the NRA’s membership, polls indicate a need for better laws.

As for the wingnut minority? Screw ‘em. The batshit insane wing is a tiny minority of the populace. We need to seize the narrative, starting with “A well regulated milita, … .”

The militia no longer matters for home protection. Never really did but now it’s clear. That having been said of all the gun laws from loose to strict, Heller only took down one law in one small place. Nobody’s fantasies or worst fears of decimated gun control were realized with that decision.

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Backwoods_Sleuth Nov 27, 2016 • 10:27:28am

re: #244 Skip Intro

You mean $1 million per day, don’t you?

And that’s just the cost to NYC. Secret Service is even more on top of that.

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ObserverArt Nov 27, 2016 • 10:27:45am

re: #176 Myron Falwell (no relation)

Heh.

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This is turning me in favor of the recount. The peaceful-transition-of-power playbook doesn’t usually include taunting your opponents.

The Democrats, when they incorrectly thought they were going to win, asked that the election night tabulation be accepted. Not so anymore!

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Sore winner.

A total loser.

And he’s our president. So sad.

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BigPapa Nov 27, 2016 • 10:27:52am

re: #244 Skip Intro

Yeah, sorry. I’ll fix it, thanks.

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electrotek Nov 27, 2016 • 10:28:19am

re: #205 Anymouse

I don’t understand why people want to be so awful in the first place, let alone in such a manner it could be made instantly public. (Good on you for calling out the name of the person. Many people obscure the name of such an evil person—evil should always be called out by name.)

I don’t give a hoot if a Caucasian, an African-American, or a freakin’ Martian provides my service in a restaurant or bar (well, a Martian might get my attention). All I care about is how attentive the service is.

Especially when you’re a white guy that is from one of the most whitest AND prosperous cities in America: Highland Park, TX.

You know, same city that Angie Harmon also hails from?

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HappyWarrior Nov 27, 2016 • 10:28:52am

re: #248 ObserverArt

Sore winner.

A total loser.

And he’s our president. So sad.

Whiny in victory, whiny in defeat, just a plain fucking whiner. But hey he’s got a penis so he’s good. //

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Blind Frog Belly White Nov 27, 2016 • 10:29:01am

re: #129 William Lewis

Might as well be to the rural folks because they see that as being “a little bit pregnant” at best. What you might consider common sense they see as step one to Australia or UK firearms policy, not (for an example of my preference) that of the Czech Republic. Combine that with all the people now at far greater risk to life and limb thanks to purity of ideology…

So, they’re dumb as fucking stumps. We should kowtow to them for that?

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Eclectic Cyborg Nov 27, 2016 • 10:29:22am

re: #233 Unshaken Defiance

Precedent says not. Lots of it.

That’s what I was thinking. That might be the best way to go after the problem. No outright bans, just some common sense limitations on certain classes of weapons.

Not that this will ever happen while Trump is President…

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Dr. Matt Nov 27, 2016 • 10:29:43am

huh?

I cannot believe that Theodore is 8 months old today! Happy birthday little teddy bear! 🐻🍰🍼 pic.twitter.com/j6EpYVQDSd

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BigPapa Nov 27, 2016 • 10:32:38am

re: #254 Dr. Matt

huh?

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Eclectic Cyborg Nov 27, 2016 • 10:33:58am

re: #254 Dr. Matt

This from the same woman who sits in on classified meetings with foreign dignitaries.

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William Lewis Nov 27, 2016 • 10:34:00am

re: #252 Blind Frog Belly White

So, they’re dumb as fucking stumps. We should kowtow to them for that?

They gave us Trump. Next question?

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Skip Intro Nov 27, 2016 • 10:34:08am

re: #254 Dr. Matt

huh?

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Trump math.

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Unshaken Defiance Nov 27, 2016 • 10:34:31am

re: #253 Eclectic Cyborg

That’s what I was thinking. That might be the best way to after the problem. No outright bans, just some common sense limitations on certain classes of weapons.

Not that this will ever happen while Trump is President…

And again, this becomes the rather um, awkward states rights argument. California for example can and will regulate guns as she sees fit short of bans like DC. Will also be as humane and supportive of non documented immigrants as we decide. Will be as close to our sovereign neighbor to the south as we choose for cultural, trade and economic purposes. #resist

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Blind Frog Belly White Nov 27, 2016 • 10:37:51am

Yesterday on FB, my wingnut cousin posted a Greg Gutfield tweet, that only a communist could turn a tropical island paradise into a hell hole.

I thought, “Didn’t Columbus pretty much do that to the entire Caribbean?” Indeed, isn’t it pretty much what European countries did all over the world for centuries?

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ObserverArt Nov 27, 2016 • 10:38:26am

re: #204 Dr. Matt

Pure class from America’s armpit.

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It’s not all Ohioans…so try to be somewhat fair.

And you don’t know if a lot of those are college attendees from surrounding states. Add in drunken college behavior after a fucking sportsball game.

And fuck the armpit noise too. Where you from? I’m sure I could find some issues there too.

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Blind Frog Belly White Nov 27, 2016 • 10:40:19am

re: #257 William Lewis

They gave us Trump. Next question?

I keep hearing we need to understand them and their concerns, and respect them, but they just fell for a transparent con man who promised them the impossible and appealed to their worst instincts. Not really sure what there is to respect in that. I know the guy they elected doesn’t respect them - the con man never respects his marks.

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Stanley Sea Nov 27, 2016 • 10:41:37am

On @CNN, @KellyannePolls says Trump getting foreign intel from “many sources” - just not the daily US intelligence briefings. @MalcolmNance

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Ah I see. Trump is being briefed by many governments, just not ours. https://t.co/F9FUy8o6eA

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HappyWarrior Nov 27, 2016 • 10:42:21am

re: #260 Blind Frog Belly White

Yesterday on FB, my wingnut cousin posted a Greg Gutfield tweet, that only a communist could turn a tropical island paradise into a hell hole.

I thought, “Didn’t Columbus pretty much do that to the entire Caribbean?” Indeed, isn’t it pretty much what European countries did all over the world for centuries?

Gutfield is an idiot. Your point works too and it’s not as if Cuba was somehow thriving before Castro either. Make no mistake, the guy was a dictator but it wasn’t exactly utopia before the revolution. There’s a reason why a reactionary like Ted Cruz’s father even took part in the revolution.

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Targetpractice Nov 27, 2016 • 10:44:05am

re: #263 Stanley Sea

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Donkey With No Name Nov 27, 2016 • 10:44:24am

re: #260 Blind Frog Belly White

Well, to be honest, I doubt there were very many “paradises” around to begin with. (Certainly Batista Cuba wasn’t one.)

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Blind Frog Belly White Nov 27, 2016 • 10:45:21am

re: #264 HappyWarrior

Gutfield is an idiot. Your point works too and it’s not as if Cuba was somehow thriving before Castro either. Make no mistake, the guy was a dictator but it wasn’t exactly utopia before the revolution. There’s a reason why a reactionary like Ted Cruz’s father even took part in the revolution.

It was a tropical paradise if you were rich, but revolutions don’t happen where people are happy.

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HappyWarrior Nov 27, 2016 • 10:45:40am

re: #266 Donkey With No Name

Well, to be honest, I doubt there were very many “paradises” around to begin with. (Certainly Batista Cuba wasn’t one.)

That was what always bothered me about the attitude of some of the Cuban exiles. I hope I’m not sounding unsympathetic to what those who fled Cuba experienced. I certainly am but Pre-Fidel Cuba wasn’t a wonderful place just like a lot of the Eastern European countries pre-Communism in the Cold War weren’t either.

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HappyWarrior Nov 27, 2016 • 10:46:17am

re: #267 Blind Frog Belly White

It was a tropical paradise if you were rich, but revolutions don’t happen where people are happy.

Exactly. I mean to me the revolution is a complicated thing. Most revolutions are.

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Dr. Matt Nov 27, 2016 • 10:46:52am

re: #260 Blind Frog Belly White

Yesterday on FB, my wingnut cousin posted a Greg Gutfield tweet, that only a communist could turn a tropical island paradise into a hell hole.

Someone needs a history lesson on creating hell holes:

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HappyWarrior Nov 27, 2016 • 10:47:28am

re: #270 Dr. Matt

Someone needs a history lesson on creating hell holes:

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electrotek Nov 27, 2016 • 10:48:34am

re: #268 HappyWarrior

Not just Cuban exiles, but the same traits are also found with Vietnamese in Garden Grove, CA. They will always claim the Vietcong were the most horrible people but on the planet but say absolutely jack shit about Ngo Dinh Diem’s wretched rule and how he allowed a Catholic minority to exploit the Buddhist majority.

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jaunte Nov 27, 2016 • 10:49:44am

On #CNNSOTU Kellyanne Conway says Trump has been “gracious” by not prosecuting Clinton while recount underway https://t.co/HqwIHYGUis

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jaunte Nov 27, 2016 • 10:50:40am

Gracious. Well bless their hearts.

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PhillyPretzel Nov 27, 2016 • 10:51:15am

re: #273 jaunte

Who’s definition are we using?

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Dave In Austin Nov 27, 2016 • 10:51:51am

re: #274 jaunte

Gracious. Well bless their hearts.

All teh Desks……….

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HappyWarrior Nov 27, 2016 • 10:52:35am

re: #272 electrotek

Not just Cuban exiles, but the same traits are also found with Vietnamese in Garden Grove, CA. They will always claim the Vietcong were the most horrible people but on the planet but say absolutely jack shit about Ngo Dinh Diem’s wretched rule and how he allowed a Catholic minority to exploit the Buddhist majority.

Yes, that’s an apt analogy. I mean don’t get me wrong. I understand why they fled and I am glad we were able to take them in but those revolutions didn’t just happen for no reason. Anyhow, I really would love to get my relatives in Slovenia and Slovakia’s perspective of life under Communism. Should be very interesting since the Slovenes had some independence of the Soviets where as the Slovaks did not.

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Backwoods_Sleuth Nov 27, 2016 • 10:53:10am

Report: Kellyanne Conway needs 27 more Dalmation puppies to complete her fur coat. pic.twitter.com/nt7evtYfYv

— Orange Leader (@OrangeLeaderUSA) November 27, 2016

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HappyWarrior Nov 27, 2016 • 10:53:15am

re: #273 jaunte

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There she goes again. Making veiled threats. She’s so pathetic.

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ObserverArt Nov 27, 2016 • 10:53:37am

Are we really going to have to listen to and read the sweet nothings of Kellyanne Conway for four years?

No can do.

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HappyWarrior Nov 27, 2016 • 10:53:59am

re: #280 ObserverArt

Are we really going to have to listen to and read the sweet nothings of Kellyanne Conway for four years?

No can do.

It could actually be worse.

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Backwoods_Sleuth Nov 27, 2016 • 10:54:53am

re: #273 jaunte

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On #CNNSOTU Kellyanne Conway says Trump has been “gracious” by not prosecuting Clinton while recount underway https://t.co/HqwIHYGUis

— State of the Union (@CNNSotu) November 27, 2016

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Presidents don’t prosecute. Neither do president-elects. This is ridiculous. Team Trump doesn’t under the basics. https://t.co/DF1HAEBA19

— David Corn (@DavidCornDC) November 27, 2016

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electrotek Nov 27, 2016 • 10:57:15am

My buddy had to take his previous post down because he was threatened with legal action by the racist patron at Beauty Bar last night:

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HappyWarrior Nov 27, 2016 • 10:57:48am

I do remember my brother telling me about a conversation he had once with an older Cuban man who owned a restaurant he went to. The guy was definitely part of the pre-revolution Cuban elite and light skinned. As I said, I don’t disbelieve that people like him and his family suffered and had to flee but he did paint an I think overly rosy picture of pre-revolution life to my brother. As already said, life was good in Cuba pre-1959 if you were well off and less so if you weren’t especially if you were poor. One can acknowledge the complex reality of where Cuba was before the revolution and where it’s been since. That doesn’t make one a Castro admirer. It just means one sees the nuance. Hell I’m the last one to praise Mao Zedong but my studies of Chinese history tell me that women made great strides in Chinese society under Mao. It doesn’t change that Mao was a totalitarian anymore than the increasing of literacy and health care under Fidel changes his being a dictator in Cuba.

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ObserverArt Nov 27, 2016 • 10:58:27am

re: #281 HappyWarrior

It could actually be worse.

I don’t know. I think we are already at the absolute worst and having to put up with some of the Trumper People is just piling on. Her syrupy BS delivered with a forced smile is just too much.

I guess I have just grown to hate ‘em all. It’s going to take a lot to elevate my feelings. A whole lot. There is nothing to like about any of them.

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HappyWarrior Nov 27, 2016 • 10:59:40am

re: #285 ObserverArt

I don’t know. I think we are already at the absolute worst and having to put up with some of the Trumper People is just piling on. Her syrupy BS delivered with a forced smile is just too much.

I guess I have just grown to hate ‘em all. It’s going to take a lot to elevate my feelings. A whole lot. There is nothing to like about any of them.

Aren’t they considering Laura Ingraham for press secretary? I was sort of joking though. It’s amazing how much stupid she says and no one calls her out on it.

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PhillyPretzel Nov 27, 2016 • 10:59:42am

re: #282 Backwoods_Sleuth

Corn is correct.

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electrotek Nov 27, 2016 • 11:00:10am

re: #284 HappyWarrior

The same thing with Iranian exiles too. As we all know, they always try to paint Iran as a bastion of liberalism where “free thought” roamed and arts was flourishing and that women had rights, blah blah blach, prior to 1979. But as we all know, that is a load of bullshit. Only ones who had the great life were those who benefited from the shah’s excesses.

Of course, that doesn’t mean we automatically love Khomeini as a result. But many people can’t grasp that.

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Dr. Matt Nov 27, 2016 • 11:01:47am

re: #283 electrotek

My buddy had to take his previous post down because he was threatened with legal action by the racist patron at Beauty Bar last night:

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At least the racist’s name is out there and he has been exposed.

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Targetpractice Nov 27, 2016 • 11:02:05am

re: #282 Backwoods_Sleuth

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This is a well the Trump campaign will go back to again and again, using the veiled threat of criminal or civil charges as a means to shut up opposition. “Oh, look how nice we are, not dragging you into court for your crimes!”

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Myron Falwell (no relation) Nov 27, 2016 • 11:03:31am

re: #278 Backwoods_Sleuth

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I normally don’t make fun of people based on appearances and would discourage it… so hopefully I can be excused for noting how her nose is oh so archvillain-worthy.

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electrotek Nov 27, 2016 • 11:03:38am

re: #289 Dr. Matt

He’s going to get his “legal team” on him LOL

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ObserverArt Nov 27, 2016 • 11:03:52am

re: #286 HappyWarrior

Aren’t they considering Laura Ingraham for press secretary? I was sort of joking though. It’s amazing how much stupid she says and no one calls her out on it.

Why not Ingraham. Trump seems to be messing around with a lot of the extreme wingers. But I get the feeling Donnie The Boy President is enamored and now loyal to a fault to Kellyanne and we are going to see her around.

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Stanley Sea Nov 27, 2016 • 11:07:06am

re: #283 electrotek

My buddy had to take his previous post down because he was threatened with legal action by the racist patron at Beauty Bar last night:

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What happened?

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Dr. Matt Nov 27, 2016 • 11:08:32am

re: #292 electrotek

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He’s going to get his “legal team” on him LOL

The law firm of Rage Furby, Milo, and Dickinson.

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HappyWarrior Nov 27, 2016 • 11:08:46am

re: #288 electrotek

The same thing with Iranian exiles too. As we all know, they always try to paint Iran as a bastion of liberalism where “free thought” roamed and arts was flourishing and that women had rights, blah blah blach, prior to 1979. But as we all know, that is a load of bullshit. Only ones who had the great life were those who benefited from the shah’s excesses.

Of course, that doesn’t mean we automatically love Khomeini as a result. But many people can’t grasp that.

Exactly. And you know what, I understand why it’s a little hard for them to grasp since it’s an emotional and personal issue for many. I just didn’t like how many in the Cuban-American exile community seemed to act like it was just the worst possible thing to do to open relations with the Castro government when as an American who also has relatives that lived in a totalitarian state that we still did business with them and there are even those who fled places like Chile who we propped up while at the same time condemning Castro for being a dictator.

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HappyWarrior Nov 27, 2016 • 11:09:38am

re: #295 Dr. Matt

The law firm of Rage Furby, Milo, and Dickinson.

I’d rather have Lionel Hutz.

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electrotek Nov 27, 2016 • 11:09:48am

re: #294 Stanley Sea

What happened?

That Highland Park dickhead left the N-word under the Tip line on a bartender’s receipt at Beauty Bar Dallas and my buddy that is a DJ there on Saturday nights posted it up to spread awareness.

Word got out super quick and he got threatened with “legal action” by the Highland Park white aristocrat if he didn’t take his post down.

Since my buddy didn’t want to deal with legal action he took it down.

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jaunte Nov 27, 2016 • 11:12:33am

@zeynep @DavidCornDC @chrislhayes @nickconfessore it isn’t the media’s job to run a campaign against Trump. That was Clinton’s role.

— Maggie Haberman (@maggieNYT) November 27, 2016

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It is our job to expose conflict, corruption, character (accidental alliteration) & thus inform the electorate. https://t.co/DP8G5JWyEh

— Jeff Jarvis (@jeffjarvis) November 27, 2016

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jaunte Nov 27, 2016 • 11:13:52am

As if covering Trump’s massive conflicts would be “running a campaign against Trump.”

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HappyWarrior Nov 27, 2016 • 11:14:13am

re: #299 jaunte

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She did do exactly that but Maggie and those like her were too busy MBFing every goddamned thing. So, no it’s not the media’s job to attack Trump for Clinton but it is certainly their job to point out that he’s unqualified, unethical, and down right unprepared.

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HappyWarrior Nov 27, 2016 • 11:14:26am

re: #300 jaunte

As if covering Trump’s massive conflicts would be “running a campaign against Trump.”

But hey emails!

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electrotek Nov 27, 2016 • 11:14:45am

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Myron Falwell (no relation) Nov 27, 2016 • 11:15:20am

re: #297 HappyWarrior

I’d rather have Lionel Hutz.

“I Can’t Believe It’s a Law Firm!”

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jaunte Nov 27, 2016 • 11:15:31am

HEY HABERMAN NYT, THAT’S NOT A BLIND TRUST.

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HappyWarrior Nov 27, 2016 • 11:16:04am

re: #304 Myron Falwell (no relation)

“I Can’t Believe It’s a Law Firm!”

You’re the judge and I’m the law talking guy!

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jaunte Nov 27, 2016 • 11:17:26am

No More Business as Usual, Mr. Trump by @peggynoonannyc https://t.co/TfnklK8Ihl via @WSJ

— Peggy Noonan (@Peggynoonannyc) November 25, 2016

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Wishful thinking, since Trump has made it clear he intends to use White House as his self-enrichment HQ. https://t.co/3SS2kqipXB

— Dan Gillmor (@dangillmor) November 27, 2016

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electrotek Nov 27, 2016 • 11:18:21am

Dallas’ Highland Park in a nutshell:

The official “You can arrest me but my daddy is a lawyer” uniform pic.twitter.com/ahsrwlrWcv

— She Wants The D (@SheswantstheD) September 5, 2014

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jaunte Nov 27, 2016 • 11:20:00am

Peggy Noonan is stoned again.

The press does not believe, not for a second, and Democrats do not believe, not for a second, that Mr. Trump will be able to change the habits of a lifetime. They are relying on it.

Mr. Trump shocked them by winning. He should shock them now with rectitude.

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Backwoods_Sleuth Nov 27, 2016 • 11:21:33am

re: #309 jaunte

Trump can’t define or even pronounce “rectitude”.

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PhillyPretzel Nov 27, 2016 • 11:22:30am

re: #310 Backwoods_Sleuth

He may have a dictionary but it has never used.

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Eventual Carrion Nov 27, 2016 • 11:23:27am

re: #310 Backwoods_Sleuth

Trump can’t define or even pronounce “rectitude”.

He thinks that is a position he has to pay the hooker extra for.

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Barefoot Grin Nov 27, 2016 • 11:35:20am

I’m no “snowflake” but I’m at the point where I need trigger warnings before any image of Kellyanne Conway appears.

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jaunte Nov 27, 2016 • 11:35:44am

Oh look: Trump Ed Sec Betsy DeVos, a billionaire, was ordered to pay back taxes because she tried to avoid paying school district taxes pic.twitter.com/02r1F4TzUN

— Adam Khan (@Khanoisseur) November 24, 2016

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jaunte Nov 27, 2016 • 11:36:46am

re: #313 Barefoot Grin

It’s that Grima Wormtongue allergy that’s going around.

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Blind Frog Belly White Nov 27, 2016 • 11:38:08am

re: #307 jaunte

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Nooners is shocked - Shocked! - to find that a guy who’s always been corrupt to the very depths of his soul turns out to be…corrupt.

It’s not like nobody warned you, Nooners.

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jaunte Nov 27, 2016 • 11:40:19am

re: #316 Blind Frog Belly White

Lately, I wonder where the hell all these people who don’t seem to know what kind of man Trump is were during the 80’s and 90’s.

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jaunte Nov 27, 2016 • 11:41:18am

He’s a greedy scamming bully who enjoys punching down, and he’s always been.

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jaunte Nov 27, 2016 • 11:43:58am

Trump hires two net neutrality opponents to oversee FCC transition https://t.co/MDNni1saLu

— Tarkloon (@Tarkloon) November 27, 2016

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Belafon Nov 27, 2016 • 11:46:20am

h/t John Cole:

On Wednesday, she woke up inconsolable. On Thursday, angry. But on the Friday after the presidential election, as she prepared posters to join thousands in protesting Donald Trump’s victory, Mia Hernández came to a quiet realization: If she found her country’s direction intolerable, she would have to try to change it.

She would change it not just by signing petitions, or protesting, or calling her legislators. For the first time, she sketched out a plan to run for elected office.

In 2020, Hernández intends to make a bid for a seat on the San Jose City Council or the Santa Clara County Board of Supervisors. Her focus will be reproductive rights and community empowerment, she said.

“Everybody says organize, don’t mourn, make a change,” said Hernández, 22, a student at the University of California at Santa Cruz. “So I said to myself, ‘How am I going to be an active member in this? You know what, I need to run for office. I need to be a part of that decision-making. I need to make sure Trump’s voice is not the only voice out there.’ ”

Among young, liberal women who expected to see the country elect its first female president Nov. 8, Hernández is not alone; many are responding to Hillary Clinton’s defeat with a new sense of obligation to seek political power. After years of never imagining a career in the public eye or only vaguely entertaining the idea of working in politics, these women are determined to run for elected office.

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BigPapa Nov 27, 2016 • 11:50:20am

re: #320 Belafon

That is a wonderful thing.

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ObserverArt Nov 27, 2016 • 11:51:19am

re: #310 Backwoods_Sleuth

Trump can’t define or even pronounce “rectitude”.

Peggy gonna try to nice him into reason.

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Blind Frog Belly White Nov 27, 2016 • 11:52:01am

It seems as if Castro’s death allows us to continue with the fiction that he was somehow uniquely bad, just as we continued the Embargo as if Cuba was really worse than any number of countries we befriended because we saw advantage, or even dictatorships we actively supported because ‘it was in our national interest’.

A ruthless brutal dictator, but that hardly makes him unique. No, he had the misfortune to rule an island 90 miles away, that was small enough that we could do nicely without trading with them. It didn’t really pose any threat, at least not after 1962. We could embargo Cuba and suffer not a bit. So we did.

And now that he’s dead, everyone can piss on his grave with impunity, much as they couldn’t do with lots of other dead dictators whose countries were more valuable to us. It’s kind of unseemly.

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Belafon Nov 27, 2016 • 11:54:32am

re: #321 BigPapa

That is a wonderful thing.

Yep. I hope this really catches on. As Cole put in the title: If This Is Hillary’s Legacy, It Will Be a Good One.

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Dr. Matt Nov 27, 2016 • 11:54:55am

re: #309 jaunte

Peggy Noonan is stoned again.

Yeah, a 70 year old pussy grabbing, racist, who never held a public office in his life, is suddenly going to change his ways. Indeed, Noonan is stoned.

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Myron Falwell (no relation) Nov 27, 2016 • 11:59:40am

re: #320 Belafon

That’s ultimately how you effect change. I hope that there are more of her out there.

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ObserverArt Nov 27, 2016 • 12:03:55pm

re: #323 Blind Frog Belly White

It seems as if Castro’s death allows us to continue with the fiction that he was somehow uniquely bad, just as we continued the Embargo as if Cuba was really worse than any number of countries we befriended because we saw advantage, or even dictatorships we actively supported because ‘it was in our national interest’.

A ruthless brutal dictator, but that hardly makes him unique. No, he had the misfortune to rule an island 90 miles away, that was small enough that we could do nicely without trading with them. It didn’t really pose any threat, at least not after 1962. We could embargo Cuba and suffer not a bit. So we did.

And now that he’s dead, everyone can piss on his grave with impunity, much as they couldn’t do with lots of other dead dictators whose countries were more valuable to us. It’s kind of unseemly.

How much American hate for Cuba is still based on Cuba cold war era history still factoring in? In other words how much of it is about The Cuban Missile Crisis and the long scare of Cuba having “Russian Nukes” and not so much about The Plight of the Cuban People?

I’m not downplaying what happened to the Cuban people, just trying to judge how much America is still pissed off about that past history and hold that against Castro and Cuba more than his treatment of the Cuban people.

I get the feeling the typical American might never have been worried about the Cuban people and their suffering. Why would they…they don’t care about the suffering in certain American people.

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Belafon Nov 27, 2016 • 12:04:13pm

re: #326 Myron Falwell (no relation)

That’s ultimately how you effect change. I hope that there are more of her out there.

I would like to figure out how to get more Democrats to run. I often wonder how many people on the blogs actually run for stuff, or even just participate in our local political activities, or do we just sit around reading and hoping someone else will do it.

I’m not candidate material, but I am going to get more involved in my local party. I wouldn’t mind starting out by finding those who voted this year and trying to get them to vote in 2018. In addition, no Democrat ran against the House Representative here. We have to find a way to run someone against that person.

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Dr. Matt Nov 27, 2016 • 12:08:43pm

He was a~~nother gun-humping fanatic~~ good guy with a gun, right up to the point when he wasn’t.

2nd Amendment fan kills mom, wife and 8-week-old in apparent motel room murder-suicide: police

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Unshaken Defiance Nov 27, 2016 • 12:08:50pm

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Interesting Times Nov 27, 2016 • 12:09:37pm

Ha (you’ll get it if you’re a René Magritte fan ^_^)

ICYMI:
via @PanikCollective pic.twitter.com/03P0K1gCLJ

— Rabih Alameddine (@rabihalameddine) November 27, 2016

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Romantic Heretic Nov 27, 2016 • 12:15:41pm

re: #331 Interesting Times

I’m a pipe smoker but I’ll never add that to my very small collection.

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Backwoods_Sleuth Nov 27, 2016 • 12:16:55pm

I didn’t expect to cry when my Chinese food was delivered. The (perhaps Arabic-speaking?) man at the door looked at our sign and said, pic.twitter.com/g3NWbbeaMM

— Jason Crane (@JasonDCrane) November 27, 2016

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“I want to shake your hand.” He did, then gave me a hug. He had tears in his eyes and so did I. We’re all in this together.

— Jason Crane (@JasonDCrane) November 27, 2016

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BigPapa Nov 27, 2016 • 12:17:21pm

I wonder what what I can do in a deep blue state 2500 miles deep in the Pacific. I can give some some $ but am otherwise stuck. I hvvhave figured out the phone is still effective and will be using it.

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Backwoods_Sleuth Nov 27, 2016 • 12:19:32pm

The only thing God and Satan can agree upon? Christmas songs shall play 24/7 for eternity in *all* Circles of Hell! #FakeChristmasSongFacts pic.twitter.com/Yb784bFUul

— Mrs. Betty Bowers (@BettyBowers) November 27, 2016

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Backwoods_Sleuth Nov 27, 2016 • 12:20:42pm

dammit

Tonight we have no house, it’s bombed & I got in rubble. I saw deaths and I almost died. - Bana #Aleppo pic.twitter.com/arGYZaZqjg

— Bana Alabed (@AlabedBana) November 27, 2016

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jaunte Nov 27, 2016 • 12:45:32pm

In addition to winning the Electoral College in a landslide, I won the popular vote if you deduct the millions of people who voted illegally

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) November 27, 2016

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Hey @ElectoralCollge, you might want to seriously consider the possibility that a delusional paranoid man is not fit to be president. https://t.co/dsGyHR493s

— skullsinthestars (@drskyskull) November 27, 2016

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The Vicious Babushka Nov 27, 2016 • 1:51:55pm

re: #295 Dr. Matt

The law firm of Rage Furby, Milo, and Dickinson.

Dewey, Cheathem & Howe

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