Photo of the Day: Dinner of the Damned

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Here’s Mitt Romney having dinner with Donald Trump (at one of the restaurants Trump owns, of course), going for that Secretary of State job he clearly wants more than his own dignity.

You don’t need to be a body language expert to see what’s going on here. pic.twitter.com/e7logW7lbt

— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) November 30, 2016

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Our new president-elect. pic.twitter.com/KC6ydGRMuE

— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) November 30, 2016

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Don’t look too closely at what’s on Mitt’s plate. I have a sick feeling those are his own testicles.

Video: Excerpts From Mitt Romney’s Attack on Donald Trump

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Backwoods_Sleuth Nov 29, 2016 • 6:34:11pm

When you’re on a date waiting for your friend to call with a fake emergency pic.twitter.com/hQJWXEYEi0

— The Daily Edge (@TheDailyEdge) November 30, 2016

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Stanley Sea Nov 29, 2016 • 6:35:36pm

Romney’s having foie gras

Trump, chicken noodle soup.

Charles Johnson Nov 29, 2016 • 6:35:57pm

Remember when Mitt Romney said “Trump’s promises are as worthless as a Trump University degree?” https://t.co/M3nMWJy2NY pic.twitter.com/BiRmhtvmzj

— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) November 30, 2016

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b.d. Nov 29, 2016 • 6:36:34pm

Only the fanciest of restaurants have Mittens à l’orange

The Madness of King Orange (aka Sophist) Nov 29, 2016 • 6:36:40pm

Don’t look too closely at what’s on Mitt’s plate. I have a sick feeling those are his own testicles.

No, those are far too big.

Stanley Sea Nov 29, 2016 • 6:38:23pm

pic.twitter.com/sa4SpkMeY5

— Chris Moody (@moody) November 30, 2016

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“You knew damn well I was a snake before you took me in…” https://t.co/57AswBUmw9

— Jeet Heer (@HeerJeet) November 30, 2016

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HappyWarrior Nov 29, 2016 • 6:39:46pm

re: #3 Charles Johnson

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I always thought Trump was like Romney in a lot of ways so I guess I’m not too shocked that Mitt’s kissing his ass.

Barefoot Grin Nov 29, 2016 • 6:41:12pm

Off camera, Reince doing sake bombs.

The Vicious Babushka Nov 29, 2016 • 6:41:15pm

I don’t know what he’s just agreed to do for Trump but it looks bad: pic.twitter.com/ysVSRROBDH

— Murtaza Hussain (@MazMHussain) November 30, 2016

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From the lighting, this is THE BLAIR WITCH DINNER. https://t.co/YY95RagnUW

— Harold Itzkowitz (@HaroldItz) November 30, 2016

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Cheechako Nov 29, 2016 • 6:41:19pm

Is Mitt auditioning for the position as “Official Food Taster”?

thedopefishlives Nov 29, 2016 • 6:42:29pm

re: #10 Cheechako

Is Mitt auditioning for the position as “Official Food Taster”?

Any little scrap of dignity Trump will give him is good enough.

The Vicious Babushka Nov 29, 2016 • 6:43:00pm

Here’s what is on the plates

appetizer young garlic soup with thyme and sautéed frog legs. Next diver scallops with caramelized cauliflower & a caper raisin emulsion.

— Eric Lipton (@EricLiptonNYT) November 30, 2016

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klys (maker of Silmarils) Nov 29, 2016 • 6:43:39pm

re: #12 The Vicious Babushka

Glad the NYT is on top of the important reporting, here.

HappyWarrior Nov 29, 2016 • 6:44:16pm

re: #12 The Vicious Babushka

Here’s what is on the plates

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Snobby Dickbag’s for dessert I guess.

nines09 Nov 29, 2016 • 6:46:27pm

“Ah, yes. Monsieur Trump ordered for Senor Romney. It was a appetiser of lightly panko coated words, eaten by candlelight, dry, with a white whine. Followed by blackened Filet Of Sole, or as Monsieur Trump joked, “Filet Of Soul” with a black bean mango salsa with bitters swirled with melancholy and pathos. The main course was, of course, the Whole Enchilada with Tears Of The Vanquished fresca marinade a la Gauche. Senor Romney also had fried hot tears for desert.”

Interesting Times Nov 29, 2016 • 6:46:55pm

Multiple Choice Mitt pic.twitter.com/nbcpSXkEu6

— Gus Neoliberal™ (@Gus_802) November 30, 2016

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Timothy Watson Nov 29, 2016 • 6:47:41pm

re: #12 The Vicious Babushka

Here’s what is on the plates

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Why I could never be President, I would ask for a cheeseburger instead for a State Dinner.

Anymouse Nov 29, 2016 • 6:48:02pm

Mika Brzezinski Attends Mysterious Meeting at Trump Tower (goes to the Washington Post)

Short clip from the article:

“She was asked if the meeting was with PEOTUS, and the response was unclear,” Yahoo national correspondent Hunter Walker reported. “Brzezinski did not respond to a question from your pooler about whether she will be seeing Kellyanne Conway.”

Citing an unnamed source, Politico’s Dylan Byers reported Tuesday afternoon that Brzezinski met with Ivanka Trump to discuss Brzezinski’s “Know Your Value” seminar series for women.

The Madness of King Orange (aka Sophist) Nov 29, 2016 • 6:48:05pm

re: #12 The Vicious Babushka

@EricLiptonNYT Just a couple of outsiders chatting about how to protect the interests of the common man from the predations of the elite…

— Glock H. Palin, Esq. (@GlockPalin) November 30, 2016

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Stanley Sea Nov 29, 2016 • 6:48:24pm

re: #12 The Vicious Babushka

Here’s what is on the plates

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Trump just positioned his fork/spoon, that poser does not touch fine cuisine.

Interesting Times Nov 29, 2016 • 6:49:07pm

Ha:

Trump/Romney/Reince #MAGA menu at Jean-Georges, per pool: garlic soup w frog legs, scallops, prime sirloin (lamp chops 4 Mitt), choc cake

— Julie Davis (@juliehdavis) November 30, 2016

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Wait - are they EATING Pepe or Kermit? 🐸 https://t.co/KRGzQcCkUj

— (((sfpelosi))) (@sfpelosi) November 30, 2016

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Barefoot Grin Nov 29, 2016 • 6:49:44pm

re: #18 Anymouse

Mika Brzezinski Attends Mysterious Meeting at Trump Tower (goes to the Washington Post)

Short clip from the article:

One by one they’re being coopted with threats. Fuck em.

Scottishdragon Nov 29, 2016 • 6:49:46pm

Looking at that leering ghoul hunched over the table in his tower…this came to mind:

So blend the turrets and shadows there. That all seem pendulous in air,. While from a proud tower in the town. Death looks gigantically down.

Edgar Allen Poe, The City in the Sea

Myron Falwell (no relation) Nov 29, 2016 • 6:52:00pm

Trump: “Mitt, you know if you did it right, you would have been elected to your second term as president this year.”

Mitt: “…” pic.twitter.com/NrRoq6Dv1r

— Matt Haze (@MattHaze) November 30, 2016

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The Vicious Babushka Nov 29, 2016 • 6:52:56pm

re: #18 Anymouse

Citing an unnamed source, Politico’s Dylan Byers reported Tuesday afternoon that Brzezinski met with Ivanka Trump to discuss Brzezinski’s “Know Your Value” seminar series for women.

Here is a simple formula to calculate your value in these Trump Times.

EVERY WOMAN STARTS OUT AS A 10!

Subtract 1 point for every 10 years over 35.
Subtract 1 point for every 10 lbs. over 120.
Subtract 1 point for every inch you are under 5’9”

THE RESULT IS YOUR VALUE AS A HUMAN BEING.

allegro Nov 29, 2016 • 6:53:48pm

re: #2 Stanley Sea

Romney’s having foie gras

Trump, chicken noodle soup.

Only winners get soup.

Citizen K Nov 29, 2016 • 6:54:23pm

re: #23 Scottishdragon

Looking at that leering ghoul hunched over the table in his tower…this came to mind:

Edgar Allen Poe, The City in the Sea

His grin is the grin of a man who is savoring his petty revenge, and reveling in the humiliation of his enemies. He’s a sick motherfucker. He may very well imagine himself as death striking down his foes.

Scottishdragon Nov 29, 2016 • 6:55:49pm

re: #15 nines09

“Ah, yes. Monsieur Trump ordered for Senor Romney. It was a appetiser of lightly panko coated words, eaten by candlelight, dry, with a white whine. Followed by blackened Filet Of Sole, or as Monsieur Trump joked, “Filet Of Soul” with a black bean mango salsa with bitters swirled with melancholy and pathos. The main course was, of course, the Whole Enchilada with Tears Of The Vanquished fresca marinade a la Gauche. Senor Romney also had fried hot tears for desert.”

It’s an intense chalky white marked by overtones of lead and turpentine, with a bright, long lasting finish.

HappyWarrior Nov 29, 2016 • 6:57:04pm

I actually do hope it’s Romney for SOS. Romney would probably be the least bad of the names given so far and it will infuriate his followers who hate Mitt. Just sucks because I know Clinton probably had a really good choice in mind for the spot.

The Vicious Babushka Nov 29, 2016 • 6:57:21pm

Obama stopped a 800K job loss per month,has had economy of 73 straight months of job creation, 15M jobs created, BUT 1000 CARRIER jobs! 😂

— Tina Issa 🇺🇸 (@tinaissa) November 30, 2016

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Interesting Times Nov 29, 2016 • 6:59:03pm

I made the Trump/Romney photo black and white, and it looks like a Twilight Zone episode where a guy just made a foolish deal with the Devil pic.twitter.com/froiDYDJei

— Adam Murray (@Atom_Murray) November 30, 2016

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Eclectic Cyborg Nov 29, 2016 • 7:00:04pm

re: #2 Stanley Sea

Romney’s having foie gras

Trump, chicken noodle soup.

“Chicken Soup for the Fascist Soul”

Myron Falwell (no relation) Nov 29, 2016 • 7:00:08pm

I, for one, hope that this picture winds up on the cover of the hotly anticipated “Great Moments in Moderate Republican Courage.”

thedopefishlives Nov 29, 2016 • 7:00:16pm

And now I am invoking the Iron Fist rule. Good night, gentle lizardfolk.

Anymouse Nov 29, 2016 • 7:00:37pm

Off-topic: If the wind gets any stronger here, I’m going to have to go to the village park and run up the hurricane warning flags. /s

The Winter Strom Warning is in the county to our northeast and north into the Dakotas (the same place that Nazi rancher lives).

We’ve been getting light snow on and off all day, with strong winds (the first time I ever trouble driving my car due to wind).

Interesting Times Nov 29, 2016 • 7:01:52pm

pic.twitter.com/niRSdVXTDw

— Paul Pakler (@paulpakler) November 30, 2016

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Myron Falwell (no relation) Nov 29, 2016 • 7:02:09pm

re: #29 HappyWarrior

I actually do hope it’s Romney for SOS. Romney would probably be the least bad of the names given so far and it will infuriate his followers who hate Mitt. Just sucks because I know Clinton probably had a really good choice in mind for the spot.

He’s the only one who wouldn’t be classified as “pathologically insane.”

Which is pants-shittingly scary.

HappyWarrior Nov 29, 2016 • 7:02:46pm

re: #37 Myron Falwell (no relation)

He’s the only one who wouldn’t be classified as “pathologically insane.”

Which is pants-shittingly scary.

Yep Romney being the “best” of any group is scary shit.

Interesting Times Nov 29, 2016 • 7:04:36pm

Here’s Romney’s full remarks after dinner tonight with Trump pic.twitter.com/ufubPoDrZg

— Jon Passantino (@passantino) November 30, 2016

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Oh, no! As evidenced by this video, Mitt Romney is being held hostage. Somebody, please call 9-1-1! https://t.co/Z7bX5fDI8Z

— Ana Navarro (@ananavarro) November 30, 2016

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HappyWarrior Nov 29, 2016 • 7:05:17pm

re: #39 Interesting Times

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Heh.

Myron Falwell (no relation) Nov 29, 2016 • 7:06:22pm

If there was a caption contest, Mother Jones already won it, no questions asked.

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Charles Johnson Nov 29, 2016 • 7:06:46pm

Nope. Not going to cheer for Mitt Romney just because he’s not as horrible as the other goblins Trump is appointing. He’s still horrible.

— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) November 30, 2016

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HappyWarrior Nov 29, 2016 • 7:08:21pm

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It also speaks to what kind of person Romney is.

Scottishdragon Nov 29, 2016 • 7:08:29pm

@ananavarro instead of the family dog, he is now the one tied to the top of a car…

— Deirdre (@Celticlassy10) November 30, 2016

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Myron Falwell (no relation) Nov 29, 2016 • 7:09:08pm

re: #39 Interesting Times

@ananavarro He actually blinks out “S.O.S” in Morse Code

— Scoops Maroun (@ejmaroun) November 30, 2016

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HappyWarrior Nov 29, 2016 • 7:09:16pm

re: #44 Scottishdragon

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Except unlike Seamus, he seems to have done so willingly.

Interesting Times Nov 29, 2016 • 7:10:17pm

re: #42 Charles Johnson

Speaking of horrible goblins…

another @andrewrestuccia scoop… Sources: Oklahoma’s Fallin is leading candidate for Interior secretary https://t.co/BdyfAZYPEM

— Carrie Budoff Brown (@cbudoffbrown) November 30, 2016

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Oh, good. The fracking queen. You get an earthquake and you get an earthquake…. https://t.co/lefjJZ88ek

— Charles P. Pierce (@ESQPolitics) November 30, 2016

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Stanley Sea Nov 29, 2016 • 7:10:29pm

re: #37 Myron Falwell (no relation)

He’s the only one who wouldn’t be classified as “pathologically insane.”

Which is pants-shittingly scary.

Or a rich NYer who got the job because they kissed cheeto’s ass (Ross, Mnuchin)

Scottishdragon Nov 29, 2016 • 7:13:11pm

@ESQPolitics earthquakes for everybody!! (BTW…seismology is a bitch to get into. You need the geology degree AND a math degree)

— Deirdre (@Celticlassy10) November 30, 2016

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Barefoot Grin Nov 29, 2016 • 7:13:21pm

re: #44 Scottishdragon

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Hey, I made that joke a couple of days ago and nobody here laughed!

Stanley Sea Nov 29, 2016 • 7:13:23pm

These people have no soul.

Whatever goes, just save me money & give me power

Lol Trump once sued his incoming Treasury Secretary pic.twitter.com/30ckvMbEHc

— Joshua Green (@JoshuaGreen) November 30, 2016

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HappyWarrior Nov 29, 2016 • 7:13:45pm

re: #47 Interesting Times

Speaking of horrible goblins…

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And I thought they couldn’t do worse than Palin.

Charles Johnson Nov 29, 2016 • 7:14:04pm

another @andrewrestuccia scoop… Sources: Oklahoma’s Fallin is leading candidate for Interior secretary https://t.co/BdyfAZYPEM

— Carrie Budoff Brown (@cbudoffbrown) November 30, 2016

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Oh, good. The fracking queen. You get an earthquake and you get an earthquake…. https://t.co/lefjJZ88ek

— Charles P. Pierce (@ESQPolitics) November 30, 2016

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@ESQPolitics Trump is putting in place a far right political machine that’s going to wreak havoc on the United States and the world. https://t.co/WscWUdjkv3

— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) November 30, 2016

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Belafon Nov 29, 2016 • 7:14:53pm

re: #39 Interesting Times

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I want to ask people like Frum and Navarro what they are planning on doing to keep the Trump damage to a minimum.

Scottishdragon Nov 29, 2016 • 7:15:33pm

re: #50 Barefoot Grin

Hey, I made that joke a couple of days ago and nobody here laughed!

It is a good one ;)

HappyWarrior Nov 29, 2016 • 7:15:48pm

re: #54 Belafon

I want to ask people like Frum and Navarro what they are planning on doing to keep the Trump damage to a minimum.

They really need to clean up their damn party.

Scottishdragon Nov 29, 2016 • 7:16:00pm

re: #54 Belafon

I want to ask people like Frum and Navarro what they are planning on doing to keep the Trump damage to a minimum.

Leaving for other countries I guess?

The Vicious Babushka Nov 29, 2016 • 7:16:08pm

That’s a feature, not a bug.

A bank run by Donald Trump’s likely treasury secretary was accused of racial discrimination https://t.co/oeWkVEYLo4 pic.twitter.com/jPBUHT4gpV

— Mother Jones (@MotherJones) November 30, 2016

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Anymouse Nov 29, 2016 • 7:16:35pm

re: #31 Interesting Times

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On making the photo in black-and-white, you could also try it in either sepia tone, or with a cartoon-izing programme.

Stanley Sea Nov 29, 2016 • 7:17:05pm

re: #48 Stanley Sea

Or a rich NYer who got the job because they kissed cheeto’s ass (Ross, Mnuchin)

He ALWAYS wanted their approval.

Scottishdragon Nov 29, 2016 • 7:17:10pm

re: #51 Stanley Sea

These people have no soul.

Whatever goes, just save me money & give me power

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wednesday 13-gimmie gimmie bloodshed

HappyWarrior Nov 29, 2016 • 7:17:16pm

re: #58 The Vicious Babushka

That’s a feature, not a bug.

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Of course.

Apocalypse Nov 29, 2016 • 7:18:54pm

There is a reason why trumpty’s hands can’t be seen…

Scottishdragon Nov 29, 2016 • 7:19:32pm

re: #63 Apocalypse

There is a reason why trumpty’s hands can’t be seen…

I think we can just leave that right there….

Apocalypse Nov 29, 2016 • 7:21:13pm

re: #64 Scottishdragon

And Mittens never wants to remember it…

klys (maker of Silmarils) Nov 29, 2016 • 7:21:26pm

☕️ pic.twitter.com/GW3kwOxey4

— Adam Parkhomenko (@AdamParkhomenko) November 28, 2016

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will someone please dm the location of Hillary’s secret rebel base in the woods I’d like to join up thx https://t.co/J1IfnFCzPs

— Erin Brr, sir (@erinscafe) November 28, 2016

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Myron Falwell (no relation) Nov 29, 2016 • 7:23:18pm

re: #54 Belafon

I want to ask people like Frum and Navarro what they are planning on doing to keep the Trump damage to a minimum.

They’re better off leaving the party completely. The GOP is too far gone to be remotely saved… when they crash (and they will) it will be a devastating implosion.

Stanley Sea Nov 29, 2016 • 7:24:28pm

re: #66 klys (maker of Silmarils)

There’s a twitter acct (can’t find right now) that’s “Hillaryinthewoods” or something like it.

Enjoy & relax Hil. I’m sure they are not just sitting back.

Lidane Nov 29, 2016 • 7:24:33pm

Former VP Dan Quayle said the president-elect would “make America great again” after their Trump Tower meeting. https://t.co/JYJk6AAWR9

— Twitter Moments (@TwitterMoments) November 29, 2016

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Please let 2016 end now. https://t.co/I8eyZZTBRg

— Rick Wilson (@TheRickWilson) November 30, 2016

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jaunte Nov 29, 2016 • 7:26:19pm

re: #69 Lidane

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Grayer, but no smarter.

Charles Johnson Nov 29, 2016 • 7:27:29pm

Is America so traumatized we’re actually going to think Mitt Romney as Secretary of State is… a good thing?

— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) November 30, 2016

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Barefoot Grin Nov 29, 2016 • 7:27:45pm

Too bad it wasn’t a better Depauw grad like Lee Hamilton.

Anymouse Nov 29, 2016 • 7:28:35pm

re: #47 Interesting Times

Mary Fallin, oboy.

Since there is a working oil derrick on the statehouse lawn in Oklahoma City, perhaps she would like to put one on the south lawn of the White House, or maybe in the middle of the National Mall.

jaunte Nov 29, 2016 • 7:31:34pm

This is a stunning 180 from Mitt Romney on Trump. “He continues with a message of inclusion and bringing people together.” pic.twitter.com/vn0qEDDJdf

— Alexandra Jaffe (@ajjaffe) November 30, 2016

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Interesting Times Nov 29, 2016 • 7:32:38pm

re: #25 The Vicious Babushka

Oh hey, look who stole your joke:

Uday and Qusay https://t.co/dGF6IIFYox

— Rick Wilson (@TheRickWilson) November 29, 2016

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klys (maker of Silmarils) Nov 29, 2016 • 7:32:49pm

re: #74 jaunte

Oh look, I’m firmly back in the “furious” stage.

klys (maker of Silmarils) Nov 29, 2016 • 7:34:21pm

I’ll just let Molly say it for me: pic.twitter.com/x6YeaIpbXw

— anna hullum (@ahullum) November 29, 2016

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Charles Johnson Nov 29, 2016 • 7:35:05pm

Time for a reality check. The difference between Mitt Romney and Rudy Giuliani is minuscule.

— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) November 30, 2016

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Anyone who thinks Mitt is an improvement over Giuliani - I suggest you go back and look at the craziness he emitted in 2012.

— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) November 30, 2016

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Anymouse Nov 29, 2016 • 7:35:06pm

re: #77 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Damn straight.

Big Beautiful Door Nov 29, 2016 • 7:35:30pm

re: #71 Charles Johnson

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When compared to Rudy Guliani? I’m just hoping that when the first major international crisis next year hits, there will be someone in the situation room who isn’t an ignoramous, sycophant, lunatic or nazi.

Stanley Sea Nov 29, 2016 • 7:36:01pm

re: #71 Charles Johnson

Thing is, with a GOP president, we have no choice, only hope for moderates.

And YES, it can be worse than Romney. Romney is not insane. Especially with foreign policy.

Pray I don’t eat these words.

Skip Intro Nov 29, 2016 • 7:36:33pm

re: #74 jaunte

Trump is doing great work bringing the white billionaires and mere multi millionaires together in a common goal: looting the country and letting the pissants ESAD.

allegro Nov 29, 2016 • 7:36:52pm

Trump is blackmailing these guys. Listen to their comments after the meetings. Creepy. He’s going to make America great again? Inclusion?

Bad bad juju here.

Anymouse Nov 29, 2016 • 7:37:02pm

re: #81 Stanley Sea

Thing is, with a GOP president, we have no choice, only hope for moderates.

And YES, it can be worse than Romney. Romney is not insane. Especially with foreign policy.

Pray I don’t eat these words.

Romney only went and insulted the United Kingdom when he told them how they should be running the Summer Olympics. I’m sure he’ll be fine.

Stanley Sea Nov 29, 2016 • 7:37:45pm

re: #74 jaunte

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Mitt is only referring to the BS victory speech.

Nothing since then has been inclusive.

Myron Falwell (no relation) Nov 29, 2016 • 7:38:41pm

re: #81 Stanley Sea

Thing is, with a GOP president, we have no choice, only hope for moderates.

And YES, it can be worse than Romney. Romney is not insane. Especially with foreign policy.

Pray I don’t eat these words.

That he’s the least worst is still nightmare fuel.

Stanley Sea Nov 29, 2016 • 7:40:06pm

re: #86 Myron Falwell (no relation)

That he’s the least worst is still nightmare fuel.

Yeah. But we are stuck & fucked.

CuriousLurker Nov 29, 2016 • 7:41:10pm

Just dropping this off before I head for bed. Looks like even the Federalist is starting to freak out over the Flynn appointment. It seems buyer’s remorse is setting in with a vengeance, and the deplorables’ Tangerine God King hasn’t even been sworn in yet:

Michael Flynn Is The Wrong Man For Trump’s National Security Advisor
For a job that requires laser-sharp judgment, Michael Flynn seriously misjudges major world leaders like Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan and Russian President Vladimir Putin.

Flynn Is Paid to Flack for Turkey
The Hill op-ed called Turkey our “strongest ally” in the Middle East and criticized U.S. media for its coverage of Erdogan. In the article, Flynn failed to disclose that on September 14, The Flynn Intel Group signed a contract with Inovo BV to lobby on State and Defense Department appropriations bills. Inovo BV is a front organization for Inovo Turkije, a firm that works to strengthen “the transatlantic relationship and Turkey’s future in that alliance.” […]

Russia Isn’t Our Friend, Gen. Flynn
Flynn’s views on Russia are equally injudicious. Flynn’s desire to reset relationships with the North Atlantic Treaty Organization and with Russia has alarmed our European allies. Last December, when our Western allies were boycotting Putin, the Russian government paid Flynn to speak at a series of events in Moscow. At a celebration of a Kremlin-funded TV station, Flynn was photographed sitting next to Russian President Vladimir Putin, an image that blanketed the Russian media for days. […]

thefederalist.com

As for Mittens and the others sucking up to Von ClownStick, there’s this from the 14th century founder of one of the most influential Sufi orders, the Naqshbandi:

The ‘perfuming of a scorpion’ is a reference to a symbol used by Hadrat Bahaudin Naqshband of Bukhara when he taught about the ubiquitous problem of hypocrisy and self-deception in both individuals and institutions: “Whoever might perfume a scorpion will not thereby escape its sting”.

en.wikipedia.org

How perfectly apt that it’s orange. BTW, that’s an Indian red scorpion, one of the most lethal species in the world. (Photo credit: Shantanu Kuveskar)

There’s another one that goes something along the lines of, “If you can’t stand a scorpion’s sting, don’t stick your hand in its nest.”

G’nite, lizards.

Stanley Sea Nov 29, 2016 • 7:41:26pm

Yep Allegro, blackmail

pic.twitter.com/mCeUgjuOrY

— Mathieu von Rohr (@mathieuvonrohr) November 30, 2016

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wheat-dogg Nov 29, 2016 • 7:42:30pm

re: #78 Charles Johnson

Charles, do you have a link to the Gawker response to Chuck’s lawsuit?

whitebeach Nov 29, 2016 • 7:42:35pm

I’m not entirely clear which of Trump’s restaurants this is. Is it the one at Berchtesgaden or the one in Munich?

Charles Johnson Nov 29, 2016 • 7:43:42pm

I thought Stockholm Syndrome took a little longer than 3 weeks to kick in.

— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) November 30, 2016

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Scottishdragon Nov 29, 2016 • 7:44:36pm

re: #91 whitebeach

I’m not entirely clear which of Trump’s restaurants this is. Is it the one at Berchtesgaden or the one in Munich?

Researched political, non-campaign victory rallies. Found 2: Trump’s & Reichsparteitag des Sieges. Yah, it took place in 1930s. In Germany.

— Kurt Eichenwald (@kurteichenwald) November 29, 2016

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Charles Johnson Nov 29, 2016 • 7:46:08pm

re: #90 wheat-dogg

Charles, do you have a link to the Gawker response to Chuck’s lawsuit?

cases.primeclerk.com

Stanley Sea Nov 29, 2016 • 7:46:47pm

Here it is

@HRCintheWild

wheat-dogg Nov 29, 2016 • 7:47:02pm

re: #94 Charles Johnson

cases.primeclerk.com

thx

Stanley Sea Nov 29, 2016 • 7:48:20pm

Hilary Clinton surprise appearance just now to intro @katyperry #SnowflakeBall #UnicefSnowflake pic.twitter.com/3wh2Zc2BwG

— David Ushery (@DavidUshery4NY) November 30, 2016

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Eclectic Cyborg Nov 29, 2016 • 7:50:51pm

re: #92 Charles Johnson

Depends on how many zeroes there are on the check.

stpaulbear Nov 29, 2016 • 7:55:37pm

re: #97 Stanley Sea

If people cheered, Trump is going to have to tweet.

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Stanley Sea Nov 29, 2016 • 7:57:22pm

re: #99 stpaulbear

If people cheered, Trump is going to have to tweet.

He’ll be home in his private gold toilet room soon.

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Stanley Sea Nov 29, 2016 • 7:58:23pm

Dangerous times ahead

“Ukrainian Defense Ministry: 55,000 Russian troops massing near Ukraine” https://t.co/MusUN2vI7Q

— Jacek Saryusz-Wolski (@JSaryuszWolski) November 30, 2016

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Testing the new administration? https://t.co/b5DniiHO1C

— Jim Sciutto (@jimsciutto) November 30, 2016

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allegro Nov 29, 2016 • 8:00:09pm

re: #101 Stanley Sea

Dangerous times ahead

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Pure coincidence. Really.

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Honey Punch! Nov 29, 2016 • 8:01:33pm

re: #84 Anymouse

Romney’s so crap at Foreign relations he made Boris Johnson look good.

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Lidane Nov 29, 2016 • 8:02:00pm

re: #101 Stanley Sea

What test? Trump will just shrug and let Putin do what he wants.

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Charles Johnson Nov 29, 2016 • 8:03:06pm

Participation is support. https://t.co/vBwRV13ayS pic.twitter.com/cYkcy59GsL

— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) November 30, 2016

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KGxvi Nov 29, 2016 • 8:03:09pm

Do we have a definitive list of Trump’s proposed Cabinet? I’m curious if Pence would have the 25th Amendment votes to declare Trump unfit. I’m guessing Romney would be in the “Yes” group.

Also… The palace intrigue that is about to happen in the Trump Administration is going to be the stuff of lore… Like ancient world royal court level.

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jaunte Nov 29, 2016 • 8:05:06pm

No Medicare means that about 50% of Trump supporters die before 2020, just saying

— Patrick (@QuadCityPat) November 30, 2016

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Stanley Sea Nov 29, 2016 • 8:05:18pm

My kit’s red dot just died.

We’ve got trouble.

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Belafon Nov 29, 2016 • 8:08:22pm

re: #105 Charles Johnson

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Which will be hard because so many people have built lives around the career they’ve taken in government.

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jaunte Nov 29, 2016 • 8:09:02pm

Price has called ACA’s provision requiring insurers accept beneficiaries w/ pre-ex conditions “a terrible idea” https://t.co/001DN1guhQ

— igorvolsky (@igorvolsky) November 29, 2016

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“Let them die” says Price.

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The Madness of King Orange (aka Sophist) Nov 29, 2016 • 8:09:58pm

re: #104 Lidane

What test? Trump will just shrug and let Putin do what he wants.

Yeah, calling it a “test” implies they don’t already know how Trump will respond.

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KGxvi Nov 29, 2016 • 8:11:05pm

Completely off topic, but the writers on Lucifer are fucking amazing.

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jaunte Nov 29, 2016 • 8:16:00pm

@realDonaldTrump Dad cares about the American worker - has already done more for you than Obama has in 8 years!

— Donald Trump Jr. (@DenaldJTrumpJr) November 30, 2016

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Four years of Spaulding Smails should be fun https://t.co/ZrB4S6LU0K

— Michael Cohen (@speechboy71) November 30, 2016

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teleskiguy Nov 29, 2016 • 8:16:23pm

“Malkovich?” pic.twitter.com/uq0PI9Dnte

— Matt Oswalt (@MattOswaltVA) November 30, 2016

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LastYearsMan Nov 29, 2016 • 8:16:37pm

re: #107 jaunte

I’ll be shocked if all these changes to Medicare and ACA aren’t timed to take effect Nov. 15, 2020. Or at least November 2018.

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Belafon Nov 29, 2016 • 8:16:59pm

I want to make a list so I can send it into my newspaper.
HHS: Tom Price - Doesn’t like the ACA. Requiring insurers take those with preexisting conditions a bad idea.
AG: Jeff Sessions, who tried to prevent blacks from voting, and thinks children with disabilities don’t belong in school

Who are the ones for these positions
Department of Education:
Treasury:
Commerce:
SoS:

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freetoken Nov 29, 2016 • 8:17:59pm

re: #116 Belafon

Who are the ones for these positions
Department of Education:

Isn’t that Amway?

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Belafon Nov 29, 2016 • 8:18:31pm

re: #117 freetoken

Isn’t that Amway?

Yeah, I was just hoping someone remembered her name.

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Belafon Nov 29, 2016 • 8:19:05pm

re: #113 jaunte

@DenaldJTrumpJr @realDonaldTrump He’s saved 3.5M jobs and added 10K points to the DOW? Impressive.

— (((Lonnie Mask))) (@LonnieMask) November 30, 2016

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jaunte Nov 29, 2016 • 8:19:46pm

re: #119 Belafon

It’s Denald again.

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Belafon Nov 29, 2016 • 8:20:39pm

re: #120 jaunte

It’s Denald again.

Saw that. It’s still worth a reply.

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teleskiguy Nov 29, 2016 • 8:21:08pm

re: #120 jaunte

It’s Denald again.

Fuckin’ Denald. I’ve fallen for him a couple of times.

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Stanley Sea Nov 29, 2016 • 8:23:22pm

re: #118 Belafon

Yeah, I was just hoping someone remembered her name.

DeVos

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Stanley Sea Nov 29, 2016 • 8:26:10pm

apprenticeusa.gov

SCOOP: Sec of state auditions aren’t over, I’m told. Romney to talk to Trump again tomorrow, as are Petraeus, Giuliani, Corker, Gen. Kelly.

— Jennifer Jacobs (@JenniferJJacobs) November 30, 2016

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Correction: Sec of state auditions aren’t over, I’m told. Finalists are Romney, Petraeus, Giuliani, Corker and Kelly, who’s coming back in. https://t.co/kMhgJs9dX4

— Jennifer Jacobs (@JenniferJJacobs) November 30, 2016

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allegro Nov 29, 2016 • 8:27:22pm

re: #124 Stanley Sea

apprenticeusa.gov

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When the winner is announced we’ll find out who swallowed.

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jaunte Nov 29, 2016 • 8:30:17pm

pic.twitter.com/ZSuNg5LPor

— Bill Corbett (@BillCorbett) November 30, 2016

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Charles Johnson Nov 29, 2016 • 8:32:08pm

Something pretty rare happened on Twitter tonight…

@sf49ersfan5249 You might be surprised to know that I also disapprove of flag-burning. But the Constitution protects…

— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) November 30, 2016

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@sf49ersfan5249 … this form of expression, and this is a better country because of that.

— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) November 30, 2016

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@sf49ersfan5249 You don’t have to accept that it’s OK. You just have to accept that people have a right to do it without being jailed.

— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) November 30, 2016

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@sf49ersfan5249 Well, that’s probably not the best idea, because assault and battery definitely will get you thrown in jail.

— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) November 30, 2016

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@sf49ersfan5249 But I appreciate you getting back to me on this and thinking about the issues. I wish it was less rare.

— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) November 30, 2016

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@Green_Footballs I appreciate a good debate. Just because we differ on method does not mean we disagree on principe. We’re all Americans.

— Proud Army Vet (@sf49ersfan5249) November 30, 2016

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Stanley Sea Nov 29, 2016 • 8:34:49pm

re: #126 jaunte

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LOL

That’s from the Shining, correct?

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jaunte Nov 29, 2016 • 8:35:38pm

re: #128 Stanley Sea

I think so, but I don’t remember it that well.

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Stanley Sea Nov 29, 2016 • 8:37:23pm

re: #129 jaunte

I think so, but I don’t remember it that well.

It is. It was a flash scene that no one got till later. For me, years later.

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Stanley Sea Nov 29, 2016 • 8:41:11pm

re: #129 jaunte

I think so, but I don’t remember it that well.

@BillCorbett One of these images is from a hellish horror story, the other from a movie based on a Stephen King book..

— The Cranky Tank (@MattFossen) November 30, 2016

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Stanley Sea Nov 29, 2016 • 8:43:39pm

Canada, love ya.

If you haven’t watched, do.

Meanwhile in Canada .. pic.twitter.com/nS8ZkzFnbq

— HASSAN (@HassanJ__) November 18, 2016

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Charles Johnson Nov 29, 2016 • 8:44:29pm

The difference between Romney and Giuliani is in style, not substance. On every substantial issue their ideologies are identical.

— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) November 30, 2016

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wheat-dogg Nov 29, 2016 • 8:49:30pm

re: #94 Charles Johnson

cases.primeclerk.com

I read through the response filed yesterday. It’s pretty obvious that Chuck has fools for lawyers again, and (if he paid money for them) he’s wasted his money again. His leaving the California complaint “lie fallow” for six months was a major tactical error on his part, and the NY bankruptcy court will not look kindly on his present action for that reason. He’s obviously grasping at straws, hoping to extract money from Nick Denton and/or Gawker to punishment for their saying unkind things about him.

I can see why Rage Furby loves Trump so much. They both have paper-thin skins when the object of criticism or ridicule.

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Myron Falwell (no relation) Nov 29, 2016 • 8:50:41pm

re: #128 Stanley Sea

LOL

That’s from the Shining, correct?

re: #129 jaunte

I think so, but I don’t remember it that well.

Wendy sees it for a brief second after fleeing the room that Jack storms in with an ax. (It’s pretty straightforward as to what the guy in the bear suit is doing.)

Still one of the most terrifying scenes I’ve ever seen.

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klys (maker of Silmarils) Nov 29, 2016 • 8:51:04pm

re: #107 jaunte

It would be fitting - but no, remember, every plan I’ve seen keeps Medicare as it is now for the current beneficiaries. They just screw over all the folks who don’t currently have it.

They’re evil, not stupid.

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Charles Johnson Nov 29, 2016 • 8:55:39pm

re: #134 wheat-dogg

I read through the response filed yesterday. It’s pretty obvious that Chuck has fools for lawyers again, and (if he paid money for them) he’s wasted his money again. His leaving the California complaint “lie fallow” for six months was a major tactical error on his part, and the NY bankruptcy court will not look kindly on his present action for that reason. He’s obviously grasping at straws, hoping to extract money from Nick Denton and/or Gawker to punishment for their saying unkind things about him.

I can see why Rage Furby loves Trump so much. They both have paper-thin skins when the object of criticism or ridicule.

I think Chuck’s lawyers are just soaking him for some quick cash, because they have to know this suit is going nowhere.

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jaunte Nov 29, 2016 • 8:56:14pm

“Sore winner” syndrome: Why are Donald Trump’s supporters still so angry? Abraham Lincoln understood https://t.co/w6A7Prr8mO via @Salon

— Allan Brauer (@allanbrauer) November 29, 2016

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Myron Falwell (no relation) Nov 29, 2016 • 8:59:46pm

re: #130 Stanley Sea

It is. It was a flash scene that no one got till later. For me, years later.

Out of curiosity, I found this interesting analysis of that flash scene.

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Pawn of the Oppressor Nov 29, 2016 • 9:00:07pm

re: #66 klys (maker of Silmarils)

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I don’t like Bill, and I’m not cozy to Hillary either. But if I ran into them in the woods, I would be cordial, and refer to them BOTH as “President Clinton”.

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wheat-dogg Nov 29, 2016 • 9:00:19pm

re: #137 Charles Johnson

I think Chuck’s lawyers are just soaking him for some quick cash, because they have to know this suit is going nowhere.

From what I can gather, Jay M. Wolman and the Randazza Legal Group seem fairly neutral politically. At least, I can’t find any obvious connection to RWNJ causes as there was for his Missouri attorney.

If he’s paying them money, I wonder where it’s coming from — maybe his WeSearchr slush fund?

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Pawn of the Oppressor Nov 29, 2016 • 9:04:20pm

re: #101 Stanley Sea

Dangerous times ahead

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Oh, huzzah. Do they need to manufacture a security incident for justification, or are they just going to roll in and take it?

Welcome to Planet Trump. America’s not here, man.

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klys (maker of Silmarils) Nov 29, 2016 • 9:08:00pm

re: #136 klys (maker of Silmarils)

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Shiplord Kirel Nov 29, 2016 • 9:08:47pm

Servile Donald Trump submits to US oligarch Willard Romney, in the fashion of a craven slave.

Marshal Kim Jong-Un bows before no living man pic.twitter.com/T8cRleE6zc

— DPRK News Service (@DPRK_News) November 30, 2016

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wheat-dogg Nov 29, 2016 • 9:09:40pm

Special Trump clock

And, there ya go! pic.twitter.com/EUi0B9ISwP

— philip harris (@pharris830) November 29, 2016

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Charles Johnson Nov 29, 2016 • 9:11:32pm

re: #145 wheat-dogg

Special Trump clock

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I get it!

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wheat-dogg Nov 29, 2016 • 9:12:31pm

NPR has picked up the story about the clause in the Trump DC hotel lease agreement preventing elected officials from being a party to the lease.

Via @NPR: Law Professor: Trump Can’t Hold Lease On His Hotel Near White House https://t.co/vQzlxWNvmd

— Tamara (@nunyurbiznis) November 30, 2016

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Myron Falwell (no relation) Nov 29, 2016 • 9:13:13pm

re: #107 jaunte

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The con job is then unveiled for all to see.

half //

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Stanley Sea Nov 29, 2016 • 9:13:17pm

re: #139 Myron Falwell (no relation)

Out of curiosity, I found this interesting analysis of that flash scene.

holy shit. Too deep. I just imagine people in the 20’s were as kinky as those in the 2000’s.

Nothing ever changes.

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Single-handed sailor Nov 29, 2016 • 9:19:41pm

re: #139 Myron Falwell (no relation)

Out of curiosity, I found this interesting analysis of that flash scene.

Hmmm, Man-Bear-Pig, or WTF did I just read?

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Stanley Sea Nov 29, 2016 • 9:22:00pm

re: #150 Single-handed sailor

Hmmm, Man-Bear-Pig, or WTF did I just read?

Furries have always existed.

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whitebeach Nov 29, 2016 • 9:26:16pm

re: #143 klys (maker of Silmarils)

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Myron Falwell (no relation) Nov 29, 2016 • 9:28:40pm

re: #150 Single-handed sailor

Hmmm, Man-Bear-Pig, or WTF did I just read?

Man-Bear-Pig!

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Myron Falwell (no relation) Nov 29, 2016 • 9:34:36pm

re: #149 Stanley Sea

holy shit. Too deep. I just imagine people in the 20’s were as kinky as those in the 2000’s.

Nothing ever changes.

Kubrick was a genius filmmaker. Only he could take a classic Stephen King horror story and turn it up to 11 with his pants-filling imagery.

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Single-handed sailor Nov 29, 2016 • 9:39:41pm

I was just reading the local city blog and somebody was just posting under the handle of ManBearPig. More anecdotes that support the theory that reality is a simulation.

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Myron Falwell (no relation) Nov 29, 2016 • 9:47:32pm

re: #155 Single-handed sailor

Can someone hack the simulation so that the 57 missing Doctor Who episodes can finally be found? And that the Cleveland Browns can win one game?

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Pawn of the Oppressor Nov 29, 2016 • 9:48:01pm

re: #134 wheat-dogg

I read through the response filed yesterday. It’s pretty obvious that Chuck has fools for lawyers again, and (if he paid money for them) he’s wasted his money again. His leaving the California complaint “lie fallow” for six months was a major tactical error on his part, and the NY bankruptcy court will not look kindly on his present action for that reason. He’s obviously grasping at straws, hoping to extract money from Nick Denton and/or Gawker to punishment for their saying unkind things about him.

I can see why Rage Furby loves Trump so much. They both have paper-thin skins when the object of criticism or ridicule.

Chucksie is living proof that white supremacy is bullshit, and nobody needs further evidence of that, but since this involves Bankruptcy (my area of expertise, sadly) and I’m a glutton for pain, I’m looking at the case in plain old PACER right now.

1st item - Gawker is in Chapter 11 so any hot air about them being “destroyed” is misdirected. I believe Ch11 operates like a collection of settlements and agreements to service debts while remaining in operation… I could be wrong, I’m used to consumer BKs (13 and 7), I’ve never serviced a Ch11 start to finish. This doesn’t mean Gawker isn’t hurting, but they’re not burned to the ground either.

2nd - Christ on a jet-ski, docket entry 452 is a 234-page response to Gawker’s objection to claim… I can’t begin to describe what a train wreck that is.

So, a Proof of Claim is nominally about two pages with some basic information that says “The Debtor owes us money, here is how much”, with justifying attachments, like a vehicle purchase contract or mortgage/Deed of Trust. The main claims in this BK come from Gawker’s electric bill and taxes owed, for example.

(Aside - Debt-cataloging documents like Claims and Schedules can be very interesting, if you look up sports team bankruptcies and read their Schedules or Claims you’ll find stuff like player’s salaries and how much it costs to buy baseballs in bulk. The Texas Rangers still owed Alex Rodriguez tens of millions of dollars when I looked at their old BK, for example… And poor Sinbad the comedian was upside down on his BMW and had only some promo copies of an old comedy special left lying around his apartment…)

A POC should be a claim for like, actual money owed… Stuff you can prove. Keep your receipts, kids! So, if Chucksie had won a lawsuit for defamation against Gawker and they owed him ten million in damages, in writing by a court ruling, that would be a legitimate claim.

I don’t know what Drumpf-SA Schuetze Bodenscheisser put on his POC but it certainly wasn’t anything real. So, Gawker would in turn object to this claim, saying, in brief, “Yo, this claim isn’t real.” And the objection would be upheld and that’s it.

Gawker objected in omnibus to a big pile of claims at once, which makes sense because they probably have a lot of cranks spending $100 for an hour of lawyering and ECF filing costs, filing bullshit claims to get a piece of the pie.

So in response to the objection, Dickless here responds with TWO HUNDRED AND THIRTY FOUR PAGES which is apparently the entire mass of every document that Chucksie’s lawyer from Bible Lawyer College ever wrote up for the case. I don’t know how much that costs to file, but I suspect it’s enough to buy a nice dinner and drinks. And, of course, the response is total crank horseshit that doesn’t actually address the matter at hand…

High IQ and genetic supremacy, you say? Huh.

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Pawn of the Oppressor Nov 29, 2016 • 10:01:52pm

Oh, and I almost missed this fun bit: Gawker’s objection to Floorshitter’s claim cites Fed. R. Civ. P. 12(B)(6).

Getting twelve-b-sixed is embarassing (Edit: Or rather, it should be, to anyone capable of feeling shame - and we’re not sure that they teach shame at Bible Jesus Lawyer Kollege). It’s law-speak for “Why are you here, and why aren’t you wearing pants?”

(b) How to Present Defenses. Every defense to a claim for relief in any pleading must be asserted in the responsive pleading if one is required. But a party may assert the following defenses by motion:

(1) lack of subject-matter jurisdiction;

(2) lack of personal jurisdiction;

(3) improper venue;

(4) insufficient process;

(5) insufficient service of process;

(6) failure to state a claim upon which relief can be granted; and

(7) failure to join a party under Rule 19.

This is like, basic basic, 1st-day-of-Paralegal-class stuff. If you mess up under FRCP 12, it means you failed badly at your job.

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wheat-dogg Nov 29, 2016 • 10:02:04pm

re: #157 Pawn of the Oppressor

Chucksie is living proof that white supremacy is bullshit, and nobody needs further evidence of that, but since this involves Bankruptcy (my area of expertise, sadly) and I’m a glutton for pain, I’m looking at the case in plain old PACER right now.

1st item - Gawker is in Chapter 11 so any hot air about them being “destroyed” is misdirected. I believe Ch11 operates like a collection of settlements and agreements to service debts while remaining in operation… I could be wrong, I’m used to consumer BKs (13 and 7), I’ve never serviced a Ch11 start to finish. This doesn’t mean Gawker isn’t hurting, but they’re not burned to the ground either.

2nd - Christ on a jet-ski, docket entry 452 is a 234-page response to Gawker’s objection to claim… I can’t begin to describe what a train wreck that is.

So, a Proof of Claim is nominally about two pages with some basic information that says “The Debtor owes us money, here is how much”, with justifying attachments, like a vehicle purchase contract or mortgage/Deed of Trust. The main claims in this BK come from Gawker’s electric bill and taxes owed, for example.

(Aside - Debt-cataloging documents like Claims and Schedules can be very interesting, if you look up sports team bankruptcies and read their Schedules or Claims you’ll find stuff like player’s salaries and how much it costs to buy baseballs in bulk. The Texas Rangers still owed Alex Rodriguez tens of millions of dollars when I looked at their old BK, for example… And poor Sinbad the comedian was upside down on his BMW and had only some promo copies of an old comedy special left lying around his apartment…)

A POC should be a claim for like, actual money owed… Stuff you can prove. Keep your receipts, kids! So, if Chucksie had won a lawsuit for defamation against Gawker and they owed him ten million in damages, in writing by a court ruling, that would be a legitimate claim.

I don’t know what Drumpf-SA Schuetze Bodenscheisser put on his POC but it certainly wasn’t anything real. So, Gawker would in turn object to this claim, saying, in brief, “Yo, this claim isn’t real.” And the objection would be upheld and that’s it.

Gawker objected in omnibus to a big pile of claims at once, which makes sense because they probably have a lot of cranks spending $100 for an hour of lawyering and ECF filing costs, filing bullshit claims to get a piece of the pie.

So in response to the objection, Dickless here responds with TWO HUNDRED AND THIRTY FOUR PAGES which is apparently the entire mass of every document that Chucksie’s lawyer from Bible Lawyer College ever wrote up for the case. I don’t know how much that costs to file, but I suspect it’s enough to buy a nice dinner and drinks. And, of course, the response is total crank horseshit that doesn’t actually address the matter at hand…

High IQ and genetic supremacy, you say? Huh.

I’ve only read Gawker’s most recent response, not Rage Furby’s 234-page claim. Should be a hoot, if it is anything like his 111-page complaint filed in federal court — the one the judge gave a F- to and told his lawyers to try again.

I’m saving that reading for later, after I do my teacherly duties and, like, teach classes.

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wheat-dogg Nov 29, 2016 • 10:04:23pm

re: #158 Pawn of the Oppressor

Oh, and I almost missed this fun bit: Gawker’s objection to Floorshitter’s claim cites Fed. R. Civ. P. 12(B)(6).

Getting twelve-b-sixed is embarassing. It’s law-speak for “Why are you here, and why aren’t you wearing pants?”

This is like, basic basic, 1st-day-of-Paralegal-class stuff. If you mess up under FRCP 12, it means you failed badly at your job.

I suspect Chuck found a lawyer who was willing to serve as his proxy and file the papers, which Chuck or his crazy Missouri lawyer pal wrote. Not sure if the lawyer in question, Jay M. Wolman, has any experience in bankruptcy law or proceedings.

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klys (maker of Silmarils) Nov 29, 2016 • 10:05:47pm

re: #152 whitebeach

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Pawn of the Oppressor Nov 29, 2016 • 10:13:41pm

re: #160 wheat-dogg

I suspect you’re right.

*reads docket some more*

Motion for The Lolz in re: I GOT UR MONEY DUMASS11! filed by Pepe T. Frog, Esq.

Hmmm…

I’d love to read his claims and responses FOR THE LOLZ, but it would cost me actual money and I’m not that committed. Everything on there is like 200+ pages. o_O

If this is what his superiority movement looks like, we’re all fucked.

I binge-watched Westworld earlier and now really need to get to bed, fingers crossed for some callbacks tomorrow because I need a jerb and there’s a nice opening at the Southern District of GA Bankruptcy court that I’m perfect for and I reaaaaally want them to get back to me… Need sleep now

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Stanley Sea Nov 29, 2016 • 10:28:17pm

I don’t go to Reddit.
Y’all can interpret.

Reddit is tearing itself apart. Blame the highly problematic r/The_Donald. https://t.co/0G0S5pUFEj

— (((Recount Now!))) (@Flyswatter) November 30, 2016

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klys (maker of Silmarils) Nov 29, 2016 • 10:37:43pm

re: #163 Stanley Sea

They’re failing to deal with their troll problem and it’s going to break them, potentially.

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William Lewis Nov 29, 2016 • 10:39:52pm

re: #164 klys (maker of Silmarils)

They’re failing to deal with their troll problem and it’s going to break them, potentially.

We can only pray that it does destroy them. The world will be a better place when reddit and its racists are gone.

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klys (maker of Silmarils) Nov 29, 2016 • 10:45:54pm

re: #165 William Lewis

We can only pray that it does destroy them. The world will be a better place when reddit and its racists are gone.

Let’s be clear: the difference between a message board like this and a message board like reddit (because that’s what it is, a glorified topic-segregated link message board) is moderation. As in, the active efforts of moderators to deal with elements of the community deemed undesirable.

reddit (and Twitter) are both lacking in this area, for the most part. Occasionally an effort is made. (Sometimes, in the case of reddit, there are moderators doing their best and so a subreddit may be usable - but the administration isn’t necessarily backing them up in the site as a whole.)

LGF isn’t, thanks to the hard work Charles has put in and continues to do.

But hey, blanket characterizations are fun.

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Kragar Nov 29, 2016 • 11:30:59pm

Trump bait & switch: Makes you think he’s going to burn down your house so you’re grateful when he just ransacks it instead

— Kragar (@Kragar_LGF) November 30, 2016

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Alyosha Nov 29, 2016 • 11:38:50pm

Flag burning is never an issue in America when things are running well.

— Schooley (@Rschooley) November 30, 2016

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teleskiguy Nov 30, 2016 • 12:10:02am

#NowPlaying Beck > Mutations > Cold Brains https://t.co/VzpLu4babh

— Charlie Vogel (@teleskiguy) November 30, 2016

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freetoken Nov 30, 2016 • 12:13:39am

Tino Rossi - Il est né le Divin Enfant - Paroles (Lyrics)

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Scout Nov 30, 2016 • 12:37:11am

Why did flag-burning become a thing all of sudden? Was there anything that prompted that fuckwad to tweet about it? If not, I fear we’re all being played.

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teleskiguy Nov 30, 2016 • 12:39:09am

I never in a million years thought I’d be tweeting something like this to a President-Elect. Fuck. All.

Nobody should be allowed to burn the American flag - if they do, there must be consequences - perhaps loss of citizenship or year in jail!

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) November 29, 2016

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Fuck you. If I’m ever in New York City I’m burning a flag right in front of your tower, you fucking jack off. https://t.co/JRUhOj7dER

— Charlie Vogel (@teleskiguy) November 29, 2016

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teleskiguy Nov 30, 2016 • 12:40:24am

re: #171 Scout

Why did flag-burning become a thing all of sudden? Was there anything that prompted that fuckwad to tweet about it? If not, I fear we’re all being played.

Something about flag burning came up on Fox News right before Donald tweeted his frightening idiocy.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light)) Nov 30, 2016 • 1:43:27am

re: #171 Scout

Why did flag-burning become a thing all of sudden? Was there anything that prompted that fuckwad to tweet about it? If not, I fear we’re all being played.

Diversion from the upcoming trainwreck of a Trump administration and ongoing conflicts of interest.

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teleskiguy Nov 30, 2016 • 1:53:20am

No regard for race, color, or creed. Beautiful. RT @BarnacreAlpacas: The morning rush hour at Barnacre Alpacas. pic.twitter.com/Rxgv9mS4tG

— Charlie Vogel (@teleskiguy) November 30, 2016

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Rocky-in-Connecticut Nov 30, 2016 • 3:58:51am

re: #101 Stanley Sea

Dangerous times ahead

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Backwoods_Sleuth Nov 30, 2016 • 3:59:19am

he’s awake and tweeting:

ISIS is taking credit for the terrible stabbing attack at Ohio State University by a Somali refugee who should not have been in our country.

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) November 30, 2016

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Backwoods_Sleuth Nov 30, 2016 • 4:00:23am

I will be holding a major news conference in New York City with my children on December 15 to discuss the fact that I will be leaving my …

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) November 30, 2016

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great business in total in order to fully focus on running the country in order to MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN! While I am not mandated to ….

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) November 30, 2016

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do this under the law, I feel it is visually important, as President, to in no way have a conflict of interest with my various businesses..

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) November 30, 2016

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Hence, legal documents are being crafted which take me completely out of business operations. The Presidency is a far more important task!

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) November 30, 2016

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He is soooo full of shit.

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Colère Tueur de Lapin Nov 30, 2016 • 4:07:19am

re: #178 Backwoods_Sleuth

Letter of the law, but not the spirit and all that. A legal document will appear that purportedly removes him from control. My guess, his chillins will be nominally in control, he will still be the final arbiter in all business decision.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light)) Nov 30, 2016 • 4:08:07am

re: #179 Colère Tueur de Lapin

Letter of the law, but not the spirit and all that. A legal document will appear that purportedly removes him from control. My guess, his chillins will be nominally in control, he will still be the final arbiter in all business decision.

As long as he cannot be legally prosecuted, then all is well in our Republic.

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Colère Tueur de Lapin Nov 30, 2016 • 4:09:46am

sounds about right.
do I need it? //

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Backwoods_Sleuth Nov 30, 2016 • 4:11:40am

Giving control of your business to your heirs who are also your closest political advisors does not eliminate any conflicts of interest.

— Matthew Yglesias (@mattyglesias) November 30, 2016

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Barefoot Grin Nov 30, 2016 • 4:14:33am

Dec. 15. I won’t be watching.

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Colère Tueur de Lapin Nov 30, 2016 • 4:21:23am

So, basically, we are going to be subjected to TV-like advertisements and expected to wait in breathless anticipation for every routine dump he takes? Yup, such presidential.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light)) Nov 30, 2016 • 4:23:58am

re: #184 Colère Tueur de Lapin

So, basically, we are going to be subjected to TV-like advertisements and expected to wait in breathless anticipation for every routine dump he takes? Yup, such presidential.

He has the media by the short hairs…whatever else you can say about the man, he is a master of the Tweet, the Sound Byte and the Talking Point.
He knows that he does not need a White House Press Corps to keep the public informed on his plans and activities; he can do that through Twitter.

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Barefoot Grin Nov 30, 2016 • 4:46:08am

I know how pissed I was every time RWNJs would criticize the first family for taking a vacation in Hawaii, but…. Are we paying for the “thank you” tour?

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light)) Nov 30, 2016 • 4:51:31am

re: #186 Barefoot Grin

I know how pissed I was every time RWNJs would criticize the first family for taking a vacation in Hawaii, but…. Are we paying for the “thank you” tour?

I do not think so, but we are paying for the Secret Service protection.

The man knows how to manipulate coverage. There will be a lot of protesters at all the stops and probably some degree of violence, which will be blown up out of all proportion to show how his supporters hateful the sore losers on the Left truly are…

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Romantic Heretic Nov 30, 2016 • 4:52:54am

re: #42 Charles Johnson

Goblins? They’re Uruk-Hai!

Edited to add another piece of geekery.

Trump is no Erlking.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light)) Nov 30, 2016 • 4:54:45am

re: #188 Romantic Heretic

Goblins? They’re Uruk-Hai!

And on January 20th, they will taste man-flesh!

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Barefoot Grin Nov 30, 2016 • 4:55:20am

re: #187 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I do not think so, but we are paying for the Secret Service protection.

The man knows how to manipulate coverage. There will be a lot of protesters at all the stops and probably some degree of violence, which will be blown up out of all proportion to show how his supporters hateful the sore losers on the Left truly are…

I didn’t even think about that. I hope not, but I’ll bet you’re right.

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Romantic Heretic Nov 30, 2016 • 4:56:26am

re: #54 Belafon

I want to ask people like Frum and Navarro what they are planning on doing to keep the Trump damage to a minimum.

Their reply?

Sorry. Can’t talk. I’m packing. I don’t want to end up like Gregor Strasser.

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Dr Lizardo Nov 30, 2016 • 5:07:52am

re: #191 Romantic Heretic

Their reply?

Sorry. Can’t talk. I’m packing. I don’t want to end up like Gregor Strasser.

Wasn’t he the unfortunate fellow that took the “socialism” part of “National Socialism” seriously? And paid for it with his life?

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Barefoot Grin Nov 30, 2016 • 5:08:32am

Trump will hold his news conference at the groundbreaking ceremony in Buenos Aires.

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jeffreyw Nov 30, 2016 • 5:10:56am

Imgur

Good morning!

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Romantic Heretic Nov 30, 2016 • 5:13:36am

re: #132 Stanley Sea

Alberta: Canada’s Texas.

When Canada was suffering in the Great Recession but Alberta was doing well because oil their attitude was, “It’s our money! Why should any of it go to you people who aren’t smart enough to sit on an ocean of oil?”

Now, when Canada is doing better and oil isn’t what it was? “Why are you so mean to us? Prop us up!”

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light)) Nov 30, 2016 • 5:15:06am

re: #195 Romantic Heretic

Alberta: Canada’s Texas.

When Canada was suffering in the Great Recession but Alberta was doing well because oil their attitude was, “It’s our money! Why should any of it go to you people who aren’t smart enough to sit on an ocean of oil?”

Now, when Canada is doing better and oil isn’t what it was? “Why are you so mean to us? Prop us up!”

good families don’t

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Romantic Heretic Nov 30, 2016 • 5:21:59am

re: #192 Dr Lizardo

Wasn’t he the unfortunate fellow that took the “socialism” part of “National Socialism” seriously? And paid for it with his life?

That’s the one.

Shot in the neck and left to bleed out.

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Colère Tueur de Lapin Nov 30, 2016 • 5:28:11am

There seem to be quite a number of RWNJs who think that the socialism part of the Nazi party was real. It is disturbing that their historical knowledge is so horrific.

I’ve read statement like the Nazis and Communists were enemies, but they are just minor branches off the same tree, why?. Luckily, I don’t run in RL crowds such as that.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light)) Nov 30, 2016 • 5:31:01am

re: #198 Colère Tueur de Lapin

There seem to be quite a number of RWNJs who think that the socialism part of the Nazi party was real. It is disturbing that their historical knowledge is so horrific.

I’ve read statement like the Nazis and Communists were enemies, but they are just minor branches off the same tree, why?. Luckily, I don’t run in RL crowds such as that.

Selective history, selective science, selective theology, selective sociology…

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The Vicious Babushka Nov 30, 2016 • 5:37:30am

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Myron Falwell (no relation) Nov 30, 2016 • 5:42:18am

re: #198 Colère Tueur de Lapin

There seem to be quite a number of RWNJs who think that the socialism part of the Nazi party was real. It is disturbing that their historical knowledge is so horrific.

I’ve read statement like the Nazis and Communists were enemies, but they are just minor branches off the same tree, why?. Luckily, I don’t run in RL crowds such as that.

Rush openly stated on his radio show for months and months back in 2009 and 2010 that Obama was a reincarnation of Hitler. These f—ers are beyond any hope.

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jeffreyw Nov 30, 2016 • 5:42:51am

re: #200 The Vicious Babushka

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The Vicious Babushka Nov 30, 2016 • 5:43:49am

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The Vicious Babushka Nov 30, 2016 • 5:44:47am

Somebody stole Trump’s breakfast.

A man stole a bucket full of gold flakes valued at $1.6 million from the back of a truck in New York City https://t.co/mToBtMDsCB pic.twitter.com/6zEIIclMng

— CNN (@CNN) November 30, 2016

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Belafon Nov 30, 2016 • 5:50:45am

An interesting section from a DK diary: Building A Party Of The Future, Part 1. Before You Advocate A Rural Strategy, Try Visiting.

Every Kansas Republican who ran for US Congress in 2016 supported TPP. Some loudly and in every way possible. Why not? Farm Bureau, one of the more powerful lobbying forces in rural America, was with them.

www.tnfarmbureau.org/…

A top U.S. trade official says now is the time for farmers to press their lawmakers to pass the Trans-Pacific Partnership trade agreement

Farm communities were pretty unified about the need for trade deals. They produce more agriculture than the US can absorb, and they need more of it to ship out of the country. What Trump did effectively was that he said “TPP is a bad deal.. I will get a better one!” It allowed rural communities to think: “damn Obama, saddling us with this bad trade deal… but I still need all my goods to get out of the country, Trump can negotiate a deal that is good for me..” They are not, as so many want to believe, ripped and eager to hear about “let’s end trade” they are eager to hear about trade deals that are lopsided in their favor; something that is unlikely to happen. Trump’s vague remarks allowed people on all sides of the issue to hear what they wanted to hear.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light)) Nov 30, 2016 • 5:52:36am

re: #205 Belafon

What Trump did effectively was that he said “TPP is a bad deal.. I will get a better one!” It allowed rural communities to think: “damn Obama, saddling us with this bad trade deal… but I still need all my goods to get out of the country, Trump can negotiate a deal that is good for me..” They are not, as so many want to believe, ripped and eager to hear about “let’s end trade” they are eager to hear about trade deals that are lopsided in their favor; something that is unlikely to happen. Trump’s vague remarks allowed people on all sides of the issue to hear what they wanted to hear.

and that is the advantage of not having any record of public service…you can say whatever you think the people need to hear and they will go along with it.

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Smith25's Liberal Thighs Nov 30, 2016 • 5:54:34am

I hope that everyone had a great thanksgiving.

As some of you know, I coach High School football at a school that is a contender for the championship in our classification every year. As an assistant coach, I’ve been a part of two state championship winners and a runner-up finish last year. Typically, we have a team that is at worst, ranked #5 in the state. Because the HS Football playoff bracket is set up geographically, the top teams will sometimes play each other before the State Championship game. For the last 6 seasons, we have advanced to at least the State Semi Finals- played day after thanksgiving. This year, we lost the week before the semi-finals. We were probably the 3rd best team in state this year, and lost to the 2nd best team(Just happens to be the Alma Mater of Muhammad Ali). So for the first time in a while, I didn’t have to worry about Thanksgiving day practice(although it is pretty cool). I didn’t have to rush home from my in-laws house, didn’t have to rush through dinner. So I got to relax, and drink a half bottle of red wine with Thanksgiving lunch. And of course, talk about the election. Long story short- my Brother-in-laws wife, a long time Republican. Enthusiastic W. Bush supporter. Lives in John Boehners district in Ohio. She is extremely upset about Trump being elected, and not just Trump. She did something I would never have thought when I met her 15 years ago. She proudly voted a straight Democratic ticket in the state of Ohio. Hopefully we can continue to reach people, not only about Trump, but about what today’s Republican Party has become.

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lawhawk Nov 30, 2016 • 5:57:44am

re: #200 The Vicious Babushka

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lawhawk Nov 30, 2016 • 5:58:36am

The people who yelled loudest over Goldman Sachs speeches are pathetically quiet now. You got played by a con artist. Get used to it

— lawhawk (@lawhawk) November 30, 2016

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Unshaken Defiance Nov 30, 2016 • 6:00:54am

re: #204 The Vicious Babushka

Somebody stole Trump’s breakfast.

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LLoyds of London will be most displeased with Loomis leaving buckets of gold unguarded. Sheesh that kind of truck gets guards with guns in hand looking around every time in the LA Jewelry district.

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mmmirele Nov 30, 2016 • 6:04:48am

re: #204 The Vicious Babushka

Somebody stole Trump’s breakfast.

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I worked at a department store with a huge jewelry counter in the late 1970s. One of the things they did was repair jewelry. The repair room had a trash can specifically for dust from the room. Every so often the jewelry manager would call an armored car to have the dust taken away to be burned up and the precious metals extracted. This was in the era when gold hit $850/oz, so the dust burning was profitable.

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Belafon Nov 30, 2016 • 6:11:00am

From Digby, writing at Salon: “Sore winner” syndrome: Why are Donald Trump’s supporters still so angry? Abraham Lincoln understood :

Who gets that mad after winning?

In fact, America has been divided along two moving tribal lines for a very long time, and this odd reaction has happened before when this political faction has come to power, although it doesn’t normally get this violent or ugly. The political right often seems to take little joy in its victories, instead remaining focused on its defeated enemies. Compromise is unacceptable: Right-wingers seem to demand total capitulation and when their adversaries continue to resist, they are enraged.

The best description of this phenomenon comes from Abraham Lincoln in his famous address at New York’s Cooper Union in 1860. Trying to explain how impossible it was to deal with the Southern slave states using normal democratic means, he asked, “What will it take to satisfy them?”

This, and this only: cease to call slavery wrong, and join them in calling it right. And this must be done thoroughly — done in acts as well as in words. Silence will not be tolerated — we must place ourselves avowedly with them. Senator Douglas’ new sedition law must be enacted and enforced, suppressing all declarations that slavery is wrong, whether made in politics, in presses, in pulpits, or in private. We must arrest and return their fugitive slaves with greedy pleasure. We must pull down our Free State constitutions. The whole atmosphere must be disinfected from all taint of opposition to slavery, before they will cease to believe that all their troubles proceed from us.

Lincoln had this to say to his fellow Unionists about how to proceed in a situation such as this:

Neither let us be slandered from our duty by false accusations against us, nor frightened from it by menaces of destruction to the Government nor of dungeons to ourselves. Let us have faith that right makes might, and in that faith, let us, to the end, dare to do our duty as we understand it.

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Unshaken Defiance Nov 30, 2016 • 6:11:22am

re: #211 mmmirele

That’s my day job. And I can tell you that my Great granddad was also careful with the sweeps and filings at only $19 per Toz in 1905 or so. Also that stolen gold will be untraceable once pure.

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HappyWarrior Nov 30, 2016 • 6:13:51am

re: #209 lawhawk

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She gets slammed for the emails, he’s considering Petraeus for a position. Trump is a con, end of story.

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mmmirele Nov 30, 2016 • 6:19:34am

re: #213 Unshaken Defiance

I wonder if the guy knew what he was taking? If he didn’t before he walked up to the truck, he surely did when he picked up the bucket.

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HappyWarrior Nov 30, 2016 • 6:19:38am

Meanwhile Republicans are saying the ACA replacement could take years. Oh so you guys were just forcing those ACA repeals without a plan? Imagine my shock. The Republican Party is a politically, morally, and ethically bankrupt party and we just handed them the keys to run a government they don’t care about.

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lawhawk Nov 30, 2016 • 6:19:38am

re: #214 HappyWarrior

She gets slammed for the emails, he’s considering Petraeus for a position. Trump is a con, end of story.

And apparently being a con artist is preferred by enough voters in enough places to make someone who is absolutely unqualified president.

Oh, and Trump’s statements that he’s going to address his businesses doesn’t pass the smell test either.

But please, let’s hear about the emails and how Clinton lied (even though Trump lied at a rate never before seen in modern politics - or ever).

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HappyWarrior Nov 30, 2016 • 6:20:57am

re: #217 lawhawk

And apparently being a con artist is preferred by enough voters in enough places to make someone who is absolutely unqualified president.

Oh, and Trump’s statements that he’s going to address his businesses doesn’t pass the smell test either.

But please, let’s hear about the emails and how Clinton lied (even though Trump lied at a rate never before seen in modern politics - or ever).

Yeah he lied a ton but so many people didn’t care. They actually believed he was a “straight shooter.” Goddamn, there’s a lot of stupid people out there and enough of them voted that we’re going to be stuck with this guy or his VP for the foreseeable future.

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wheat-dogg Nov 30, 2016 • 6:22:01am

re: #204 The Vicious Babushka

Somebody stole Trump’s breakfast.

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If the guy is smart, he’ll ditch those clothes pronto, get a haircut or a wig, and leave NYC with his loot, melted down into ingots.

But they’ll probably catch him, because lugging around an 86-pound bucket is rather conspicuous.

I think I might even know where it happened, just from the photos. Going to check now.

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Joe Bacon Nov 30, 2016 • 6:23:23am

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The Vicious Babushka Nov 30, 2016 • 6:23:25am

Donald Trump was very unhappy that millions of people blissfully never watched “The Apprentice” or listened to any of his antics on the Howard Stern show, they just went about their daily lives not giving a shit about him and his “deals.”

Now that has changed. EVERYONE will shake in their boots with his every Tweet.

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lawhawk Nov 30, 2016 • 6:27:17am

re: #216 HappyWarrior

Meanwhile Republicans are saying the ACA replacement could take years. Oh so you guys were just forcing those ACA repeals without a plan? Imagine my shock. The Republican Party is a politically, morally, and ethically bankrupt party and we just handed them the keys to run a government they don’t care about.

The guy Trump tapped said he’s been studying an ACA repeal for years. Yeah, the GOP plan has always been repeal and replace with vaporware. And the reality is that most people actually like Obamacare and what it offers - which is why the uninsured rate is the lowest ever.

It isn’t perfect, and the GOP has sabotaged its effectiveness at every step along the way, and yet the program is succeeding. The GOP alternative is to push millions off insurance, or to give them insurance that doesn’t cover nearly as much, leaves the insured holding the bag even when dealing with catastrophic costs, and costs more.

The CBO/JCT has repeatedly stated that it would cost more in the long run to repeal the ACA than making it better. The GOP doesn’t care.

But now that they’re facing a reckoning on what to do, some are realizing that their near decade of lying to the American public will have to be satisfied. The GOP will look at gutting the ACA, and a few more pragmatic members of the GOP are already suggesting that they have to first present a replacement before they can repeal - flipping the script as it were (see Bob Corker). That’s because if they do a repeal, which is the only thing the GOP caucus in the House agrees on, they’ll leave millions without insurance and would totally screw up the economy and health care for years on end (because the bill would ultimately screw hospitals and doctors, who would get reimbursed from who exactly for indigent care, which was one of the things that the ACA addresses by expanding coverage).

But when you poll people about various portions of the ACA, you realize that people - including self-identifying GOPers - like the program, whether it’s preexisting conditions or expanding age to dependents to access to birth control, etc.

The GOP adopted a scorched earth tactic, and they’ll look to burn it all down. In fact, Trump’s HHS pick would go further and gut Medicare and Medicaid, while his pick for HHS would enable states to game the system even further and reduce aid/coverage/spending, which ultimately leaves people paying more out of pocket while doing nothing to control costs.

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The Vicious Babushka Nov 30, 2016 • 6:27:43am

So this guy really belongs in jail.

Trump’s pick for Treasury Secretary made over $3 million from Bernie Madoff’s Ponzi scheme. https://t.co/32J1QrsDCz

— Judd Legum (@JuddLegum) November 30, 2016

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HappyWarrior Nov 30, 2016 • 6:27:50am

I’m still wrapping my head around the fact that school children will see Trump’s mug next to Washington, Lincoln, the Roosevelts, and even Nixon on our Presidents. We’re going to really regret this one. I just fear that the damage done will be hard to fix. We can overcome Trump I believe that but at the same time, my heart aches because of the progress made in the Obama years and how Clinton would have continued to that progress. We go from having attorney generals like Holder and Lynch who speak out against police brutality to a man like Jeff Sessions who is hostile to Civil Rights. We go from Obama to Trump. And people want me to understand the Trump voter? No, I can’t do that. Why should I? The Trump voter never even attempted to understand the Clinton voter and the Trump voter stupidly believed that we needed an “outsider.”

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CuriousLurker Nov 30, 2016 • 6:27:53am

Not staying this morning, but I ran across a nasty little nest of antisemites and thought I’d drop them off here in case anyone else wants to block them.

Click to Reveal

EXPOSE the (((#JewWorldOrder))) and its (((#ADL))) for being the #racist #hategroup it is, by design and modus operandi.#ExposeHate https://t.co/YBS3rrrsiQ

— Sean M. Madden (@SeanMMadden) November 29, 2016

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Jew controlled media is at war against @realDonaldTrump, our heritage & our people! There is no compromise with the #FarLeft @KellyannePolls pic.twitter.com/WCQ3aqrArc

— DonaldTrumpWall (@DonaldTrumpWall) November 29, 2016

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Fact: Jews have lobbied & schemed tirelessly for the past 75 years to flood the West w/ third world immigrant filth. #AltRight

— End Cultural Marxism (@genophilia_anew) November 29, 2016

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@purpandorange Henry Ford (American guy who invented cars named after him) had a book, “International Jew The World’s Problem.” Read it.

— Rene ☠ (@RampaigerRaven) November 26, 2016

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To signal that #Democrats aren’t the party for #Whites, after the Jew #DNC Chair was ousted, then an interim Black, now consider a #Muslim… https://t.co/9luup6t8Bu

— Netizen Nick (@NetizenNick) November 15, 2016

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Swastika Smoothies Reveal Ultimate Form of Jew Hatred https://t.co/I5muzNgWIi #AltRight #MAGA pic.twitter.com/mAg9a9GunF

— AltRight Watch (@Alt_Right_) November 29, 2016

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Almost every single problem facing the White West was created, instigated or exacerbated by Jews. https://t.co/4lmNqqvFyW

— Νίκος (@GasAJewForJesus) November 22, 2016

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S'latch Nov 30, 2016 • 6:29:09am

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HappyWarrior Nov 30, 2016 • 6:29:20am

re: #225 CuriousLurker

Not staying this morning, but I ran across a nasty little nest of antisemites and thought I’d drop them off here in case anyone else wants to block them.

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These fucking people.

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The Vicious Babushka Nov 30, 2016 • 6:35:50am

re: #225 CuriousLurker

Not staying this morning, but I ran across a nasty little nest of antisemites and thought I’d drop them off here in case anyone else wants to block them.

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I’m pretty sure all of them are already blocked and I don’t hate-follow #tcot anymore so I probably won’t see them in the Tweetdeck. Why haven’t they all scampered over to GAB dot ai?

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Dr Lizardo Nov 30, 2016 • 6:35:58am

re: #226 S’latch

Should be the other way around.

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Unshaken Defiance Nov 30, 2016 • 6:40:02am

re: #225 CuriousLurker

Not staying this morning, but I ran across a nasty little nest of antisemites and thought I’d drop them off here in case anyone else wants to block them.

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Added to my “gag & hurl” twitter list.

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Unshaken Defiance Nov 30, 2016 • 6:41:00am

Minor dilemma. Really hated the caricatures of Obama. And Bush. Not having that reaction at all this time.

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Joe Bacon Nov 30, 2016 • 6:41:12am

re: #225 CuriousLurker

Sick freaks—every one of them.

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wheat-dogg Nov 30, 2016 • 6:41:50am

re: #219 wheat-dogg

The gold bucket heist was in the Diamond District, according to CNN, in front of 48 W. 48th St. There’s an Irish pub right nearby, at 58. That’s what tipped me off.

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The Vicious Babushka Nov 30, 2016 • 6:42:52am

re: #231 Unshaken Defiance

Minor dilemma. Really hated the caricatures of Obama. And Bush. Not having that reaction at all this time.

The caricatures are tame compared to the real thing. It’s like you can’t even do parody anymore.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light)) Nov 30, 2016 • 6:43:34am

re: #225 CuriousLurker

Not staying this morning, but I ran across a nasty little nest of antisemites and thought I’d drop them off here in case anyone else wants to block them.

Almost every single problem facing the White West was created, instigated or exacerbated by Jews.

Babylon
Egypt
Rome
Spain
Austria-Hungary
Russia/USSR
Third Reich

all have two things in common: they all mistreated their Jews and they all wound up on the ash-heap of history.

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steve_davis Nov 30, 2016 • 6:46:07am

re: #12 The Vicious Babushka

Here’s what is on the plates

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in other words, food for the Common Man.

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The Vicious Babushka Nov 30, 2016 • 6:47:05am

re: #235 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Babylon
Egypt
Rome
Spain
Austria-Hungary
Russia/USSR
Third Reich

all have two things in common: they all mistreated their Jews and the all wound up on the ash-heap of history.

There is a famous Mark Twain quote about this:

“If the statistics are right, the Jews constitute but one quarter of one percent of the human race. It suggests a nebulous puff of star dust lost in the blaze of the Milky Way. Properly, the Jew ought hardly to be heard of, but he is heard of, has always been heard of. He is as prominent on the planet as any other people, and his importance is extravagantly out of proportion to the smallness of his bulk.

His contributions to the world’s list of great names in literature, science, art, music, finance, medicine and abstruse learning are also very out of proportion to the weakness of his numbers. He has made a marvelous fight in this world in all ages; and has done it with his hands tied behind him. He could be vain of himself and be excused for it. The Egyptians, the Babylonians and the Persians rose, filled the planet with sound and splendor, then faded to dream-stuff and passed away; the Greeks and Romans followed and made a vast noise, and they were gone; other people have sprung up and held their torch high for a time but it burned out, and they sit in twilight now, and have vanished.

The Jew saw them all, survived them all, and is now what he always was, exhibiting no decadence, no infirmities, of age, no weakening of his parts, no slowing of his energies, no dulling of his alert but aggressive mind. All things are mortal but the Jews; all other forces pass, but he remains. What is the secret of his immortality? “

- September 1897 (Quoted in The National Jewish Post & Observer, June 6, 1984)

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Timothy Watson Nov 30, 2016 • 6:56:16am

re: #237 The Vicious Babushka

There is a famous Mark Twain quote about this:

Trivia: Today is the 181st anniversary of Twain’s birth.

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The Vicious Babushka Nov 30, 2016 • 6:57:43am

re: #238 Timothy Watson

Trivia: Today is the 181st anniversary of Twain’s birth.

MOAR TRIVIA: Google is commemorating somebody else’s 158th birthday.

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The Vicious Babushka Nov 30, 2016 • 6:58:03am

Carrier is now sucking at the government teat like the rest of us welfare queens.

— Boney Hurdle (@eclecticbrotha) November 30, 2016

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Dr. Matt Nov 30, 2016 • 6:59:10am

Treasury nominee Mnuchin was Trump’s top fundraiser

After graduating from Yale in 1985. Mnuchin worked for Goldman Sachs for 17 years. His father, Robert Mnuchin, had himself worked for Goldman for three decades, becoming a partner in charge of equity trading.

The younger Mnuchin amassed his own fortune at the firm and then left in 2002. He worked briefly for Soros Fund Management, a hedge fund led by George Soros, before starting his own investment firm, Dune Capital Management.

Dear Trump deplorables,

Do you feel played yet? You should.

Sincerely,
America

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light)) Nov 30, 2016 • 7:04:45am

re: #240 The Vicious Babushka

Carrier is now sucking at the government teat like the rest of us welfare queens.

this from newsmax:

United Technologies Corp has reached a deal with President-elect Donald Trump and Vice President-elect Mike Pence to keep close to 1,000 jobs at its Carrier Corp air conditioner plant in Indianapolis, roughly halving the number of U.S. jobs it planned to move to Mexico.

so read closer: they are still exporting jobs, just not as many

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wheat-dogg Nov 30, 2016 • 7:06:07am

re: #241 Dr. Matt

Treasury nominee Mnuchin was Trump’s top fundraiser

Dear Trump deplorables,

Do you feel played yet? You should.

Sincerely,
America

I hope someone is tabulating Trump’s campaign promises with his real-life actions. The people who voted for him need to be reminded what suckers they were.

Drain the swamp, my ass. He just drained it long enough to find all the bottom feeders to install into Cabinet positions.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light)) Nov 30, 2016 • 7:07:32am

re: #243 wheat-dogg

I hope someone is tabulating Trump’s campaign promises with his real-life actions. The people who voted for him need to be reminded what suckers they were.

Drain the swamp, my ass. He just drained it long enough to find all the bottom feeders to install into Cabinet positions.

Nobody is listening to news about Trump anymore. Just reading his tweets.

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Belafon Nov 30, 2016 • 7:07:55am

re: #243 wheat-dogg

I hope someone is tabulating Trump’s campaign promises with his real-life actions. The people who voted for him need to be reminded what suckers they were.

Drain the swamp, my ass. He just drained it long enough to find all the bottom feeders to install into Cabinet positions.

He’s installing bigger alligators to make the swamp appear smaller. But they’ll need to make it bigger to satisfy their hunger.

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Belafon Nov 30, 2016 • 7:08:42am

re: #244 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Nobody is listening to news about Trump anymore. Just reading his tweets.

My goal this weekend is to write to the Dallas Morning News and describe everyone he’s selected, and how they’ll impact Americans.

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The Vicious Babushka Nov 30, 2016 • 7:09:27am

Carrier: We’re moving jobs to Mexico
Pence/Trump: Here’s some tax breaks.
Carrier: We’re moving SOME jobs to Mexico
Trump/Pence: VICTORY!

— Gary Legum (@GaryLegum) November 30, 2016

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Dr. Matt Nov 30, 2016 • 7:09:58am

re: #243 wheat-dogg

I hope someone is tabulating Trump’s campaign promises with his real-life actions. The people who voted for him need to be reminded what suckers they were.

Drain the swamp, my ass. He just drained it long enough to find all the bottom feeders to install into Cabinet positions.

The deplorables don’t care and won’t care because, “rah, rah, we won!”.

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ipsos Nov 30, 2016 • 7:10:21am

re: #203 The Vicious Babushka

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Franklin Nov 30, 2016 • 7:11:47am

re: #242 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

this from newsmax:

United Technologies Corp has reached a deal with President-elect Donald Trump and Vice President-elect Mike Pence to keep close to 1,000 jobs at its Carrier Corp air conditioner plant in Indianapolis, roughly halving the number of U.S. jobs it planned to move to Mexico.

so read closer: they are still exporting jobs, just not as many

United Technologies Corp? The defense contractor? That one? The one that exported illegal software to China that they used to create their first modern attack helicopter? Doesn’t ring a bell.

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Jebediah, RBG Nov 30, 2016 • 7:15:24am

re: #200 The Vicious Babushka

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wheat-dogg Nov 30, 2016 • 7:16:54am

re: #203 The Vicious Babushka

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ObserverArt Nov 30, 2016 • 7:17:37am

re: #200 The Vicious Babushka

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lawhawk Nov 30, 2016 • 7:19:41am

re: #233 wheat-dogg

The gold bucket heist was in the Diamond District, according to CNN, in front of 48 W. 48th St. There’s an Irish pub right nearby, at 58. That’s what tipped me off.

The local media is reporting that police think he’s already fled to Florida.

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Donkey With No Name Nov 30, 2016 • 7:20:22am

re: #242 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

this from newsmax:

United Technologies Corp has reached a deal with President-elect Donald Trump and Vice President-elect Mike Pence to keep close to 1,000 jobs at its Carrier Corp air conditioner plant in Indianapolis, roughly halving the number of U.S. jobs it planned to move to Mexico.

so read closer: they are still exporting jobs, just not as many

But Solyndra! Government subsidies are great when we do it!

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wheat-dogg Nov 30, 2016 • 7:20:33am

re: #254 lawhawk

The local media is reporting that police think he’s already fled to Florida.

And not Nantucket.

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ObserverArt Nov 30, 2016 • 7:29:06am

re: #221 The Vicious Babushka

Donald Trump was very unhappy that millions of people blissfully never watched “The Apprentice” or listened to any of his antics on the Howard Stern show, they just went about their daily lives not giving a shit about him and his “deals.”

Now that has changed. EVERYONE will shake in their boots with his every Tweet.

Yeah. And people that did not familiarize themselves with his bullshit con history, his racism, and his misogyny voted him into the most important office in this country.

And it is not like the information wasn’t readily available…even if our screwed up media did no education and review of it.

Yeah, we have problems with the politics of this country, but we have a lot of problems with the citizens and many of our institutions too and that is what leads to our political mess.

This country is in a world of hurt. Is anyone going to do anything about it? Or are we just going to rot…inside out?

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Belafon Nov 30, 2016 • 7:34:46am

re: #257 ObserverArt

This country is in a world of hurt. Is anyone going to do anything about it? Or are we just going to rot…inside out?

I believe that’s our job.

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The Vicious Babushka Nov 30, 2016 • 7:36:27am

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bratwurst Nov 30, 2016 • 7:38:52am

Would you do me a favor and downding this ridiculous spam of a page so we can get it to disappear?

This kind of thing is a slap in the face to those of us who invest time & thought into crafting pages here. I am also not real happy with it as someone who pays not to see advertising here.

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wheat-dogg Nov 30, 2016 • 7:42:21am

re: #257 ObserverArt

Yeah. And people that did not familiarize themselves with his bullshit con history, his racism, and his misogyny voted him into the most important office in this country.

And it is not like the information wasn’t readily available…even if our screwed up media did no education and review of it.

Yeah, we have problems with the politics of this country, but we have a lot of problems with the citizens and many of our institutions too and that is what leads to our political mess.

This country is in a world of hurt. Is anyone going to do anything about it? Or are we just going to rot…inside out?

By all rights, Trump should have been weeded out during the primary, if the Party and the bazillion other candidates had done their jobs and made clear how unqualified he was for the office. The media was no help, either, as they treated Trump as a sideshow during primary season, rather than a serious politician. Then, when he won the nomination, the GOP abandoned all semblance of responsible governance (well, they never had it, so nm) and fell in behind him. Again, the media treated Trump like a sideshow, while subjecting Clinton to ridiculous scrutiny.

Maybe, if the media had subjected Trump to the same scrutiny as they gave Hillary, maybe the voting public might have gotten a clue that Trump was unfit for office. Maybe they would have thought twice about voting for him. Maybe.

Fact is, Trump is so adept at making his loyalists believe the media is a bunch of crooked liars, that by the time the media woke up to his flimflam, it was too late. Nothing could persuade the loyalists that their God Emperor was flawed in any way.

As for the Dems, going high while Trump went low was a noble experiment, but in the end a bad choice. And where the hell were they with oppo research on Trump early on? Did they assume, like everyone else, that Trump was a sideshow act, so why bother digging up dirt on him? Another bad choice.

Trump gamed the system.

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The Vicious Babushka Nov 30, 2016 • 7:43:38am

re: #260 bratwurst

Would you do me a favor and downding this ridiculous spam of a page so we can get it to disappear?

This kind of thing is a slap in the face to those of us who invest time & thought into crafting pages here. I am also not real happy with it as someone who pays not to see advertising here.

This creature registered over a year ago and has posted exactly 6 spam pages and made no comments.

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weave Nov 30, 2016 • 7:47:06am

‘Castro was great’ tweets really just let us see there’s an alt-left as well as an alt-right.

— Benedict Evans (@BenedictEvans) November 26, 2016

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Gotta say I tend to agree with this as each side has their extremists, although the moderate Republicans these days were the extremists in the past and I fear the new normal for them now will encourage a new, even uglier group on that side of their bell curve.

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Belafon Nov 30, 2016 • 7:51:35am

re: #261 wheat-dogg

I know an awful lot about Trump in part because of Clinton’s team’s research. She put commercials out about him. People chose to ignore them because email.

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The Vicious Babushka Nov 30, 2016 • 7:51:52am

re: #263 weave

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Gotta say I tend to agree with this as each side has their extremists, although the moderate Republicans these days were the extremists in the past and I fear the new normal for them now will encourage a new, even uglier group on that side of their bell curve.

The alt-left cost us the election because of their “purity votes” for Jill Stein.

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Jayleia Nov 30, 2016 • 7:51:58am

I remember where I’ve seen the lighting from the top picture before…

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lawhawk Nov 30, 2016 • 7:52:39am

re: #266 Jayleia

Baltar from original BSG. +1 for the BSG shoutout.

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wheat-dogg Nov 30, 2016 • 7:56:05am

re: #264 Belafon

I know an awful lot about Trump in part because of Clinton’s team’s research. She put commercials out about him. People chose to ignore them because email.

Trump appealed to people’s emotions, while Clinton appealed to their intellects. That worked well, except apparently in those key states that gave him the EVs. Plus the freaking email bullshit with added dashes of Russian/Wikileaks dressing and Comey salt.

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The Vicious Babushka Nov 30, 2016 • 7:59:42am

re: #268 wheat-dogg

Trump appealed to people’s emotions, while Clinton appealed to their intellects. That worked well, except apparently in those key states that gave him the EVs. Plus the freaking email bullshit with added dashes of Russian/Wikileaks dressing and Comey salt.

Trump bet that there are more stupid people than smart people. The Idiocracy candidate.

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wheat-dogg Nov 30, 2016 • 8:00:43am

re: #268 wheat-dogg

Trump appealed to people’s emotions, while Clinton appealed to their intellects. That worked well, except apparently in those key states that gave him the EVs. Plus the freaking email bullshit with added dashes of Russian/Wikileaks dressing and Comey salt.

Honestly, the more I think about how this election proceeded, the more I get frustrated and upset. Trump gamed the system (such as it is). All the supposed checks to prevent a nutcase like Trump from winning the election failed miserably. Maybe politicians will learn from this debacle. But I have little confidence Republicans will consider nation before party anytime soon.

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Jayleia Nov 30, 2016 • 8:01:39am

re: #268 wheat-dogg

Not just “emotions”, he went for hate, anger, jealousy, envy, greed, pessimism…

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wheat-dogg Nov 30, 2016 • 8:02:56am

re: #271 Jayleia

Not just “emotions”, he went for hate, anger, jealousy, envy, greed, pessimism…

Hitting all the cardinal sins and the venal sins as well.

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Myron Falwell (no relation) Nov 30, 2016 • 8:03:51am

Christie head of Homeland Security? No way I get through airport security w/o being pulled aside for additional screening the next 4 years.

— Matt Haze (@MattHaze) November 30, 2016

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wheat-dogg Nov 30, 2016 • 8:05:10am

Midnight hour here, folks. I bid you all a good night. Or noon. Whatever.

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sagehen Nov 30, 2016 • 8:09:56am

re: #265 The Vicious Babushka

The alt-left cost us the election because of their “purity votes” for Jill Stein.

And the Bernie or Bust’ers who stayed home.

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ObserverArt Nov 30, 2016 • 8:10:40am

re: #258 Belafon

I believe that’s our job.

I always admire optimism and ethic. The problem is do we have the makeup in the citizens of this country to do the work needed? That is where I have doubts and mentioned rotten from the inside out.

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The Vicious Babushka Nov 30, 2016 • 8:11:48am

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— Matthew Yglesias (@mattyglesias) November 30, 2016

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light)) Nov 30, 2016 • 8:11:52am

re: #261 wheat-dogg

By all rights, Trump should have been weeded out during the primary, if the Party and the bazillion other candidates had done their jobs and made clear how unqualified he was for the office.

They were LL too eager to pick up his supporters once he flamed out…nobody understood that he he was flameproof

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light)) Nov 30, 2016 • 8:13:32am

re: #269 The Vicious Babushka

Trump bet that there are more stupid people than smart people. The Idiocracy candidate.

There weren’t but he had them where it counted: in the over-weighted electoral vote-wielding states

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light)) Nov 30, 2016 • 8:18:02am

re: #270 wheat-dogg

Honestly, the more I think about how this election proceeded, the more I get frustrated and upset. Trump gamed the system (such as it is). All the supposed checks to prevent a nutcase like Trump from winning the election failed miserably. Maybe politicians will learn from this debacle. But I have little confidence Republicans will consider nation before party anytime soon.

The GOP knows that they have enough votes in the right places to win a Presidential election. Nothing is going to change until demographics and voting rights finally catch up with them.

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sagehen Nov 30, 2016 • 8:20:39am

re: #280 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

The GOP knows that they have enough votes in the right places to win a Presidential election. Nothing is going to change until demographics and voting rights finally catch up with them.

Actually, they know they DON’T. That’s why they’re so focused on voter suppression.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light)) Nov 30, 2016 • 8:22:28am

re: #281 sagehen

Actually, they know they DON’T. That’s why they’re so focused on voter suppression.

They have enough votes, not necessarily enough voters. Hence the need to keep a lid on things. When a party sees increased voter participation as a net-loss proposal, what does that tell us about the party, its message and its constituency?

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Shiplord Kirel Nov 30, 2016 • 8:25:12am

re: #277 The Vicious Babushka

“several people that we have known for a long time”

That would probably be the self-recruited mole Flynn.

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lawhawk Nov 30, 2016 • 8:25:52am

re: #282 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

They have enough votes, not necessarily enough voters. Hence the need to keep a lid on things. When a party sees increased voter participation as a net-loss proposal, what does that tell us about the party, its message and its constituency?

And why are they scared by the fact that a growing number of states the number of white deaths are exceeding white births?

scholars.unh.edu

This is the thing of nightmares for the GOP. Demographics are against them, and they’re fighting the tide by making it increasingly difficult for minorities to vote and assume a greater role in governing, keeping the existing order in place.

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Dr. Matt Nov 30, 2016 • 8:31:51am

From: en.wikipedia.org
The Nazi Anti-Flag Desecration Law was not a Nazi law, but an amendment to the Second Reich Strafgesetzbuch signed into law as a Notverordnung in the Weimarer Republik on 19 December 1932 [1] by Reichspräsident Paul von Hindenburg and the cabinet of Reichskanzler Kurt von Schleicher, making it illegal to desecrate the flag by “insulting or maliciously and with intent belittling” the Reich, the Länder, their constitution, colors, or flags, or the Wehrmacht.2:3 Flag of Weimar Germany (1919-33)

Later legislation, on 12 March 1933, and the Reichsflaggengesetz of 15 September 1935, extended the protection to the Hakenkreuzfahne.

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gocart mozart Nov 30, 2016 • 8:32:25am

BREAKING EXCLUSIVE VIDEO Rudy Giuliani appears outside the restaurant where Trump and Romney are dining pic.twitter.com/55KSkomu0u

— Harold Itzkowitz (@HaroldItz) November 30, 2016

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darthstar Nov 30, 2016 • 8:36:04am

NEWS: Trump 3 adult children will “increase their responsibilities” in business as Trump works to avoid conflicts, Kellyanne Conway tells me

— Steve Peoples (@sppeoples) November 30, 2016

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They’re all in their thirties and the media still refers to them as “adult children”…that’s so sweet! https://t.co/ScqByVTSG5

— Sean McCabe (@darthstar99) November 30, 2016

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Myron Falwell (no relation) Nov 30, 2016 • 8:37:46am

re: #284 lawhawk

And why are they scared by the fact that a growing number of states the number of white deaths are exceeding white births?

scholars.unh.edu

This is the thing of nightmares for the GOP. Demographics are against them, and they’re fighting the tide by making it increasingly difficult for minorities to vote and assume a greater role in governing, keeping the existing order in place.

Throw in their promised overreaching to roll back every single program initiated since the Wilson administration… and they are still only delaying the inevitable.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light)) Nov 30, 2016 • 8:38:39am

re: #287 darthstar

NEWS: Trump 3 adult children will “increase their responsibilities” in business as Trump works to avoid conflicts, Kellyanne Conway tells me

Please fill me in on this: can a “blind” trust be run or managed by a first-degree relative?

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Dr. Matt Nov 30, 2016 • 8:39:49am

The most chill cat ever

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Big Beautiful Door Nov 30, 2016 • 8:39:56am

re: #289 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Please fill me in on this: can a “blind” trust be run or managed by a first-degree relative?

No, not really. But Trump’s “blind” trust will be. And his supporters won’t care.

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Myron Falwell (no relation) Nov 30, 2016 • 8:40:04am

re: #289 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Please fill me in on this: can a “blind” trust be run or managed by a first-degree relative?

It’s “blind” in the sense that they hope you are totally blind as to how much of a farce it is.

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Romantic Heretic Nov 30, 2016 • 8:41:59am

re: #212 Belafon

The absolute inability to handle any dissent is another reason I call the modern Right revolutionaries. It’s yet another sign they do not accept the society they live in and wish it destroyed so they can rebuild it to their specs.

Something along the line of Pinochet’s Chile.

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darthstar Nov 30, 2016 • 8:44:45am

re: #289 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Please fill me in on this: can a “blind” trust be run or managed by a first-degree relative?

Let me poke Don Jr’s beady little eyes out first and we can find out. I’m just waiting for Ivanka to pull Chelsea in to join the board of directors and lay waste to the old boy network daddy built.

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Franklin Nov 30, 2016 • 8:47:56am

re: #289 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Please fill me in on this: can a “blind” trust be run or managed by a first-degree relative?

No. It has to be an independant party that is managing the trust. And the official (Trump in this instance) cannot have any knowledge of the identity of the holdings.

He can’t put his hotel chain and golf courses into a blind trust without liquidating the assets and having a third party manage any new holding purchased (by the third party) from the sale of those assets.

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ObserverArt Nov 30, 2016 • 8:48:11am

re: #287 darthstar

Steve Peoples
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@sppeoples

NEWS: Trump 3 adult children will “increase their responsibilities” in business as Trump works to avoid conflicts, Kellyanne Conway tells me
11:21 AM - 30 Nov 2016

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“Kellyanne Conway tells me” should be a warning!

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Franklin Nov 30, 2016 • 8:49:46am

The trust is considered “blind” because eventually, through the sale of transferred assets and the purchase of new ones, the public officer will be shielded from knowledge of the identity of the specific assets in the trust. Without such knowledge, conflict of interest issues would be avoided because no particular asset in the trust could act as an influence upon the official duties that the officer performs for the Government.

Source: congressionalresearch.com

I have never used the linked site and can’t vouch for it’s accuracy. But that is the general gist.

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Anymouse Nov 30, 2016 • 8:51:51am

re: #127 Charles Johnson

Something pretty rare happened on Twitter tonight…

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Lets see if “Proud Army Vet” from Twitter is so charitable toward you after this. (I have to hit and run here because I have to go distribute boil water notices throughout the village in a few minutes).

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Flag-burning outside Trump International Hotel Tuesday night.

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lawhawk Nov 30, 2016 • 8:53:32am

re: #297 Franklin

In form, it looks like the site is copying/pasting from research reports produced by Congressional researchers.

A pdf of the original is here (itself reproduced by the fas.org):

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Anymouse Nov 30, 2016 • 8:56:08am

re: #259 The Vicious Babushka

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ObserverArt Nov 30, 2016 • 8:56:30am

Remember when Trump said all his businesses didn’t mean anything to him , that being president and making America great was what it was all about and the most important thing to him?

That was a good one wasn’t it?

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Anymouse Nov 30, 2016 • 8:59:37am

re: #301 ObserverArt

Remember when Trump said all his businesses didn’t mean anything to him , that being president and making America great was what it was all about and the most important thing to him?

That was a good one wasn’t it?

He found out President doesn’t pay enough. See y’all in a bit.

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gocart mozart Nov 30, 2016 • 9:00:35am

Thanks for the vote of support, @EricHolder https://t.co/2ofFFumq1I

— ACLU National (@ACLU) November 30, 2016

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gocart mozart Nov 30, 2016 • 9:02:10am

‘Warren: Mnuchin ‘Forrest Gump of the financial crisis” https://t.co/n7TD5KsS4x via @CNN pic.twitter.com/98xZq9La6x

— GONG! Politics (@Gong_Politics) November 30, 2016

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gocart mozart Nov 30, 2016 • 9:03:45am

There are many species of Trump voter, the dimmest being the Drain-the-Swamp folks. At least the Deplorables will get what they came for.

— Elliott Lusztig (@ezlusztig) November 30, 2016

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gocart mozart Nov 30, 2016 • 9:04:22am

Trump promises to run his business interests using only his left hand; will use his right hand to do Presidenting.

— Tom the Dancing Bug (@RubenBolling) November 30, 2016

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Sir John Barron Nov 30, 2016 • 9:04:45am

So after Kellyanne’s smearing him the other day, Romney met with The Don, again, over dinner, publicly.

This is not going to end well.

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Eventual Carrion Nov 30, 2016 • 9:09:18am

re: #240 The Vicious Babushka

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stpaulbear Nov 30, 2016 • 9:09:51am

‘Fascism’ is still our #1 lookup.

# of lookups = how we choose our Word of the Year.

There’s still time to look something else up.

— Merriam-Webster (@MerriamWebster) November 29, 2016

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Well,@MerriamWebster, once we get a handle on how this administration works, next year’s word might be kleptocracy. https://t.co/CZNJgQ2n6e

— 🇺🇸Joel🇺🇸 (@JoelNihlean) November 29, 2016

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Interesting Times Nov 30, 2016 • 9:10:04am

re: #305 gocart mozart

Oh, he’s good:

No Tweet of mine EVER generated so much hate posting as my claim that Alt-Right racism is fueled by sexual insecurity. Clearly hit a nerve.

— Elliott Lusztig (@ezlusztig) November 30, 2016

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_{I guess that answers, “Who will troll the trolls?”}

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Franklin Nov 30, 2016 • 9:11:48am

Pelosi will lead the Dems in the House.

#NancyPelosi wins by a convincing margin 134-63. The Caucus is united to take on Trump and the GOP in the weeks ahead… pic.twitter.com/y1XRzuYEUq

— Aaron Black (@BlackCatUnloads) November 30, 2016

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Interesting Times Nov 30, 2016 • 9:15:02am

re: #311 Franklin

Speaking of the economy, this is just beyond maddening:

😄😄🔫🔫🔫🔫 pic.twitter.com/QJ6VnWwiDO

— Hussain (@Chemzes) November 29, 2016

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WTF—what was Clinton thinking? Either she was totally incompetent or she really hated idea of progressive economic change, or both. https://t.co/A3JzaFd9un

— Apinak (@Apinak) November 29, 2016

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Was HRC deliberately trying to confirm Colin Powell’s remark that she “ruins everything she touches with hubris”?

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retired cynic Nov 30, 2016 • 9:15:21am

re: #225 CuriousLurker

Not staying this morning, but I ran across a nasty little nest of antisemites and thought I’d drop them off here in case anyone else wants to block them.

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Dear Lord! Deplorable was WAY too kind!

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makeitstop Nov 30, 2016 • 9:16:43am

re: #310 Interesting Times

Oh, he’s good:

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_{I guess that answers, “Who will troll the trolls?”}

I still want to know who he is. He is literally a man with no internet history outside of Twitter.

That said, his Twitter feed is fascinating.

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gocart mozart Nov 30, 2016 • 9:17:16am

President-elect Trump is following 41 people, the latest being an egg avatar with a phone number name. pic.twitter.com/2dG8zDkN43

— Bradd Jaffy (@BraddJaffy) November 30, 2016

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Sir John Barron Nov 30, 2016 • 9:17:27am

re: #311 Franklin

Pelosi will lead the Dems in the House.

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Ryan got more votes than I would have thought. I like him and would like a new leader, but we’ll see.

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stpaulbear Nov 30, 2016 • 9:17:30am

re: #311 Franklin

Pelosi will lead the Dems in the House.

YAY!!! We’ll probably never get back to the days of NANCY SMASH, but it’s heartening to know that we kept her in place to do battle. She is smart, strategic and knows how to count votes. She may be smarter than Ryan as to where individual republican legislators stand. You know she has a smarter staff than Ryan has.

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Sir John Barron Nov 30, 2016 • 9:19:07am

re: #315 gocart mozart

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unproven innocence Nov 30, 2016 • 9:19:30am

re: #178 Backwoods_Sleuth

He is soooo full of shit.

“in order to fully focus on running the country”

It’s painfully obvious now that he has never read the Constitution. Don’t know how he’s going to avoid grand mal perjury on Jan 20.

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Myron Falwell (no relation) Nov 30, 2016 • 9:19:32am

re: #225 CuriousLurker
Muted and blocked every one of them, along with many of those they follow.

Speaking of which, it looks like that “John Rivers” freak (apparently quoted in the last tweet) got suspended again from Twitter.

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Belafon Nov 30, 2016 • 9:21:04am

re: #312 Interesting Times

Speaking of the economy, this is just beyond maddening:

Was HRC deliberately trying to confirm Colin Powell’s remark that she “ruins everything she touches with hubris”?

What’s the picture?

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The Vicious Babushka Nov 30, 2016 • 9:21:09am

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Interesting Times Nov 30, 2016 • 9:26:41am

re: #321 Belafon

What’s the picture?

I went searching for the source article. This looks like it:

A post-election report by the pollster Stanley Greenberg confirms that Clinton’s decision to shun a progressive economic appeal was a fatal error. Greenberg found that “polls showed fairly resilient support with white working class women, until the Clinton campaign stopped talking about economic change.” When the Greenberg team tested a Democratic message attacking Trump for his character vs. a message “demanding big economic changes” and attacking Trump for “supporting for trickle-down and protecting corporate special interests,” they found that the economic message “performed dramatically better,” particularly among key voter groups like millennials, white unmarried women and white working class women.

Granted, the site on which it appears looks, at first glance, rather BoB-ish, but others have also pointed out how badly HRC’s campaign screwed up in the rust belt states.

Edited to add: Here’s the Stanley Greenberg report they quote (PDF)

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Sir John Barron Nov 30, 2016 • 9:32:54am

re: #323 Interesting Times

I went searching for the source article. This looks like it:

Granted, the site on which it appears looks, at first glance, rather BoB-ish, but others have also pointed out how badly HRC’s campaign screwed up in the rust belt states.

Edited to add: Here’s the Stanley Greenberg report they quote (PDF)

But as someone pointed out here the other day, more populist Senate candidates in the Rust Belt failed to win their elections—Feingold in WI, Strickland in OH.

Not necessarily disagreeing with the idea that a different focus for HRC would have been better. But Dems have already done much to appeal to the stereotypical working class voter (taxes, healthcare, child care, etc).

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gocart mozart Nov 30, 2016 • 9:32:56am

@sppeoples
Just because they lie and call it a “blind trust” doesn’t make it so. You don’t HAVE to repeat their lies. Stop.

— gocart mozart (@gocartmozart1) November 30, 2016

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ObserverArt Nov 30, 2016 • 9:33:25am

re: #311 Franklin

Pelosi will lead the Dems in the House.

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Hey, thanks for the news. Now I don’t have to turn to MSNBC.

I guess Tim Ryan didn’t have the backing he thought he had. It will be interesting to see if this causes a fracture or if they all get on the same page and work for the future as one big party team.

I thought it was pretty telling when Keith Ellison backed Pelosi.

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gocart mozart Nov 30, 2016 • 9:34:49am

As Trump Tests Legal Boundaries, Small DOJ Unit Poised for Big Role https://t.co/jAlBuk5EoG via @CTLawTribune

— gocart mozart (@gocartmozart1) November 30, 2016

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Belafon Nov 30, 2016 • 9:35:49am

re: #323 Interesting Times

OK. So it’s basically an analysis of why we lost those middle states. And an opinion.

I’ll have to go find the vox article I linked to yesterday, but one of the things they pointed out was that in places where Democratic Senators did better than Clinton, the Senators actually ran a more moderate campaign than Clinton. So, while it can be argued that economics might have been part of it, depending on location, it just wasn’t all of it.

I supported Clinton from the moment she announced for this campaign, but I think the following three things happened:
1. The baggage she carried was too much for low info voters to want to get through. Yes, I’m blaming Republicans (for their constant baseless attacks) and the voters, but I have to take responsibility for not seeing that it was too much.
2. Lot’s of people didn’t want a third Democratic term no matter what, because they’ve been convinced that a Democrat didn’t fix anything, all evidence to the contrary.
3. A lot of Democrats we’re content with where we’re at and rather than defending it, they chose to be idiots.

She won the popular vote, but in the US that’s not enough.

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gocart mozart Nov 30, 2016 • 9:36:27am

Dan Quayle looks now like a mid-action freeze frame of that Nazi who drinks from the wrong Grail pic.twitter.com/VY9jHLGNpI

— Jeremiah Tolbert (@jeremiahtolbert) November 30, 2016

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lawhawk Nov 30, 2016 • 9:37:20am

The Naked Cowboy just went through security at Trump Tower. pic.twitter.com/53tFHIZUCk

— Hunter Walker (@hunterw) November 30, 2016

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At times like this, we need a Twitter TrumpElevator account that’s active…

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lawhawk Nov 30, 2016 • 9:37:41am

I found the uncropped version of that Trump and Romney photo. pic.twitter.com/VdeLh3QnB1

— neontaster (@neontaster) November 30, 2016

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gocart mozart Nov 30, 2016 • 9:37:59am

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blueraven Nov 30, 2016 • 9:38:37am

My sad tale. The week before Thanksgiving, my son and daughter were both here with their dogs. They were playing in the yard and chased each other into the patio. Big dogs, but still basically puppies. Anyway with my back to them, never saw them coming. Got hit in the back of my knees and went down hard on the concrete. Knocked the wind out of me and took me 15 minutes to even try to get up. Twisted ankle and bad pain in left wrist. Thought it was a bad sprain. Long story shorter, yesterday surgery with plate and pins for broken radius in several places. Not a great holiday season so far. But very thankful for Mr blue. He is the best!

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Mike Lamb Nov 30, 2016 • 9:38:38am

This Dec. 15th announcement and the entire concept behind the “blind trust” just reinforces the complete and utter contempt Trump has for the intelligence of the general public. Unfortunately, all of his followers will buy into it whole hog, while watching video clips of Trump’s kids sitting on meetings in the White House….

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The Vicious Babushka Nov 30, 2016 • 9:38:46am

re: #330 lawhawk

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Which Cabinet position is Naked Cowboy up for?

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Backwoods_Sleuth Nov 30, 2016 • 9:39:27am

re: #325 gocart mozart

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light)) Nov 30, 2016 • 9:39:43am

re: #319 unproven innocence

“in order to fully focus on running the country”

It’s painfully obvious now that he has never read the Constitution. Don’t know how he’s going to avoid grand mal perjury on Jan 20.

He is going to avoid it by a GOP majority in Congress…until it becomes to blatant and embarrassing that even they cannot overlook it and still remain politically viable.

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The Vicious Babushka Nov 30, 2016 • 9:41:20am

re: #319 unproven innocence

“in order to fully focus on ~~running~~ ruining the country”

Corrected a spelling error for you.

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Belafon Nov 30, 2016 • 9:43:44am

You gotta see the picture at Balloon Juice: balloon-juice.com.

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darthstar Nov 30, 2016 • 9:44:00am

re: #292 Myron Falwell (no relation)

It’s “blind” in the sense that they hope you are totally blind as to how much of a farce it is.

Trump, and his far more eloquent bigot VP Pence, have said that he’s within the law to not divest himself. Sure, it might look bad. And yeah, there will be more insider dealing and corruption than you can prosecute in a single term, but we’ve re-entered the Reagan/Bush/Bush era…this is what Republicans do after Democrats fix the economy. They rape it as voraciously and openly as they desire, because when people get mad enough, they simply take their money and walk away.

What will be fun in the next few years is watching idiot-fuckwits like Gohmert and Farhenthold try to cash in and violate federal laws. They’ll be the ones who will get prosecuted.

Reagan had 138 indictments or convictions (35 convictions I think) in his admin.
Bush 43 had 41 Scandal-related exits. Only a 25% Indictment/Guilty plea rate there.

I think Trump can beat these numbers easily.

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klys (maker of Silmarils) Nov 30, 2016 • 9:46:08am

re: #311 Franklin

Tim Ryan says Dems need to “figure out” how a Ldr from San Francisco can speak to rural voters

— Chad Pergram (@ChadPergram) November 30, 2016

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I’m getting pretty tired of rhetoric like this, I have to admit.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light)) Nov 30, 2016 • 9:46:16am

re: #340 darthstar

Reagan had 138 indictments or convictions (35 convictions I think) in his admin.
Bush 43 had 41 Scandal-related exits. Only a 25% Indictment/Guilty plea rate there.

I think Trump can beat these numbers easily.

That will just be held up as proof of the extent to which he is being “politically persecuted”.

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Anymouse Nov 30, 2016 • 9:47:00am

re: #322 The Vicious Babushka

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light)) Nov 30, 2016 • 9:47:12am

re: #341 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Tim Ryan says Dems need to “figure out” how a Ldr from San Francisco can speak to rural voters.

You mean how a “coastal elite” can speak to “real Americans”?

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Anymouse Nov 30, 2016 • 9:49:00am

re: #337 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

He is going to avoid it by a GOP majority in Congress…until it becomes to blatant and embarrassing that even they cannot overlook it ~~and still remain politically viable.~~ find a way to suspend the Constitution

He has a cabal of neo-Nazis. His crew now only needs a Reichstag Fire.

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klys (maker of Silmarils) Nov 30, 2016 • 9:49:56am

re: #344 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

You mean how a “coastal elite” can speak to “real Americans”?

I’m looking more at the same bullshit of the need to go back to speaking to the “white working class” (since remember, urban is code for black - and in SF, probably gay people too).

Like one of the replies to that tweet said, why do we never hear about how lawmakers from rural areas need to understand the urban voters?

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Anymouse Nov 30, 2016 • 9:52:23am

re: #344 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

You mean how a “coastal elite” can speak to “real Americans”?

I don’t know about the “real Americans” part, but the Democratic Party has to deal with the same Electoral College the Republicans do.

I believe I went over this last week. If the Democratic Party doesn’t or cannot figure out how to spread its message here, then the Democratic Party is a dead letter.

Start adding up Electoral Votes: AL, MS, TN, AR, NE, OK, TX, SD, ND, WY, ID, GA, AZ, stop me when you’ve decided you don’t want to cede any more electoral votes without a fight… .

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light)) Nov 30, 2016 • 9:52:56am

re: #345 Anymouse

.

He has a cabal of neo-Nazis. His crew now only needs a Reichstag Fire.

Except that in his case, DT will be deposed and replaced by Pence.

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Anymouse Nov 30, 2016 • 9:53:54am

re: #348 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Except that in his case, DT will be deposed and replaced by Pence.

Or Spencer and Bannon (deposing Pence too).

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light)) Nov 30, 2016 • 9:55:14am

re: #349 Anymouse

Or Spencer and Bannon (deposing Pence too).

Don’t get ahead of things…that is already stage two.

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electrotek Nov 30, 2016 • 9:55:30am

Even when he left Breitbart, he still retains his bigotry:

Guys, it’s only the media putting bad thoughts in your head about Abdul Artan. He even says so. pic.twitter.com/mGcN7dnyrj

— Ben Shapiro (@benshapiro) November 28, 2016

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lawhawk Nov 30, 2016 • 9:55:39am

re: #335 The Vicious Babushka

Which Cabinet position is Naked Cowboy up for?

Court Jester.

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Sir John Barron Nov 30, 2016 • 9:55:57am

re: #347 Anymouse

I don’t know about the “real Americans” part, but the Democratic Party has to deal with the same Electoral College the Republicans do.

I believe I went over this last week. If the Democratic Party doesn’t or cannot figure out how to spread its message here, then the Democratic Party is a dead letter.

Start adding up Electoral Votes: AL, MS, TN, AR, NE, OK, TX, SD, ND, WY, ID, GA, AZ, stop me when you’ve decided you don’t want to cede any more electoral votes without a fight… .

Losing WI, MI and PA was a real blow. I’d thought those states were in the bag. Bad enough to lose OH and IA, where Dems had previously run reasonably well, makes the math going forward a lot harder.

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The Vicious Babushka Nov 30, 2016 • 9:56:21am

re: #340 darthstar

Reagan had 138 indictments or convictions (35 convictions I think) in his admin.
Bush 43 had 41 Scandal-related exits. Only a 25% Indictment/Guilty plea rate there.

I think Trump can beat these numbers easily.

In the first 10 days.

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Emptor scriptor Remorse Nov 30, 2016 • 9:58:37am

It’s good to see Pelosi keeps her leadership post

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Anymouse Nov 30, 2016 • 9:59:08am

re: #350 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Don’t get ahead of things…that is already stage two.

Off-topic: Yesterday’s windstorm (that I had the dubious pleasure of driving to Sidney and back in) destroyed a bunch of traffic lights and poles in Scottsbluff. A bunch of the streets there are blocked today.

Here we have a bunch of tree branches down in the streets (we’ll have to get the village maintenance mechanic to remove them, probably with the help of a farmer that has a tractor to tow them and equipment to cut them up).

When I was out distributing boil water notices, since I drove I found owning a Smart car useful to dodge impasses in the streets (small, easy to squeeze through).

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klys (maker of Silmarils) Nov 30, 2016 • 9:59:13am

Also, nope, can’t trick me into going back to that discussion.

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Smith25's Liberal Thighs Nov 30, 2016 • 10:01:14am

I think that to say that it takes a person “not from San Francisco” or not an “Urban/coastal elite” is what it takes to talk to rural america is just wrong. In order for Democrats to speak to these areas, it must be through Democratic Party principles. It should not matter who you are or where you are from. It would be against the principles of our party to limit who could represent what a Democrat is or should be.

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ObserverArt Nov 30, 2016 • 10:01:21am

re: #341 klys (maker of Silmarils)

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I’m getting pretty tired of rhetoric like this, I have to admit.

I agree. It is totally unneeded.

But it is equally unneeded and tiring to hear coastal people blow off a huge portion of this country with comments like “flyover county” and “armpit of America” and the like.

And I am not saying you do it Klys…far from it. But we all know people that say those types of “us and them” cliches.

Equally frustrating is hearing people from California and the rest of the West Coast say they should secede. How does that make all the people that would be left behind feel?

We need to work together. Surely the Republicans work all corners to cull their votes. Democrats needs to get to work doing the same.

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blueraven Nov 30, 2016 • 10:01:43am

re: #346 klys (maker of Silmarils)

I’m looking more at the same bullshit of the need to go back to speaking to the “white working class” (since remember, urban is code for black - and in SF, probably gay people too).

Like one of the replies to that tweet said, why do we never hear about how lawmakers from rural areas need to understand the urban voters?

Yeah pandering to the wwc is bullshit. The dems failed to bring the Obama coalition of young voters, people of color, educated voters, etc…too many went 3rd party or failed to vote at all. Not to say we shouldn’t appeal to the blue collar vote, but we haven’t won them for years.

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Anymouse Nov 30, 2016 • 10:01:45am

re: #353 Sir John Barron

Losing WI, MI and PA was a real blow. I’d thought those states were in the bag. Bad enough to lose OH and IA, where Dems had previously run reasonably well, makes the math going forward a lot harder.

And that’s the thing. No state should ever be assumed to “be in the bag,” and no state should ever be left uncontested.

My wingnut representative was reëlected because he ran unopposed for NE-3.

My mail ballot (we have the same system as Oregon) was mostly blank, because all the offices except for village board and President were unopposed ~~fascists~~ Republicans.

I have never turned in a ballot that was mostly blank before.

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ObserverArt Nov 30, 2016 • 10:06:05am

re: #357 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Also, nope, can’t trick me into going back to that discussion.

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Anymouse Nov 30, 2016 • 10:08:48am

re: #360 blueraven

Yeah pandering to the wwc is bullshit. The dems failed to bring the Obama coalition of young voters, people of color, educated voters, etc…too many went 3rd party or failed to vote at all. Not to say we shouldn’t appeal to the blue collar vote, but we haven’t won them for years.

And we have a county party that even here is inclusive. The only African-American I ever met in living four years here is our Democratic Party treasurer. He is originally from New York City, a very nice fellow. He moved here to get away from the city rat-race.

Our county party is controlled by its president and vice-president, 88 and 87 yo men respectively who refuse to do anything except apparently sit on their laurels.

Our state party won’t talk to us unless they want money. The same for the national party, the DSCC, and the DCCC.

It has been four years since I became the only elected Democrat in the ninety thousand square mile area of the Nebraska Panhandle, and I still can’t get the state party to return a single call. Not one. None. Nada. Zip. They don’t care. As long as they can get people elected in Omaha and Lincoln they’re fine with that. (Too bad the Democrats lost the NE-2 seat to a Republican this election. Funny how that works when you don’t campaign in rural areas, the rural area votes for the people who do, in this case Republicans.)

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light)) Nov 30, 2016 • 10:10:20am

re: #358 Smith25’s Liberal Thighs

I think that to say that it takes a person “not from San Francisco” or not an “Urban/coastal elite” is what it takes to talk to rural america is just wrong. In order for Democrats to speak to these areas, it must be through Democratic Party principles. It should not matter who you are or where you are from. It would be against the principles of our party to limit who could represent what a Democrat is or should be.

The folks in flyover country are somehow very receptive to the GOP message that “Democratic Party Principles” mean big government, more welfare state, secularism, PC run amok and LGBTs prowling public restroom and showers.

It is up to the Democrats to correct that image.

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Citizen K Nov 30, 2016 • 10:12:06am

Since we’re back on this subject:

How do you propose we speak to “rural America” when we can talk policy all we like and it gets overwhelmed by ‘emails’ and ‘lock her up’?

How do you speak to population set that has been given policies to help them and have it spat back in your face because it didn’t ONLY help them, or they didn’t feel specifically pandered to?

How do you win back voters who shit on you for your ‘conflict of interests’ and celebrate your enemies when they do exactly what they accused you of?

Our problem is we live and play on a field completely and utterly tilted toward assholes and bullshit, on lies and deceit, and I simply don’t know how we pierce through that. Look at just how much absolute deference Trump has gotten before his inauguration, and compare that to the treatment of Obama for 8 years running.

Our message and outreach mean bupkis if it gets played through the same distorting lens we always get treated with.

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Targetpractice Nov 30, 2016 • 10:12:11am

re: #347 Anymouse

I don’t know about the “real Americans” part, but the Democratic Party has to deal with the same Electoral College the Republicans do.

I believe I went over this last week. If the Democratic Party doesn’t or cannot figure out how to spread its message here, then the Democratic Party is a dead letter.

Start adding up Electoral Votes: AL, MS, TN, AR, NE, OK, TX, SD, ND, WY, ID, GA, AZ, stop me when you’ve decided you don’t want to cede any more electoral votes without a fight… .

The issue is not whether or not a fight should be waged, it’s how hard do we fight. Getting people on the ballot is not an end-point of a fight, it’s the beginning of one. Because then you have to devote resources to that person, gotta work to get voters to support them and get them to turn out on Election Day. Otherwise we get people like you, who sit here and bellyache about how they’re willing to run but the DNC won’t spend the resources to get you elected. I’ve lost track of the number of candidates who I’ve heard immediately fault the lack of support from the party for why they failed. “Oh if we’d had more money, more advertising, more flyers, more rallies, more big-name Democrats coming down to shake our hand and stump for us, we would have won.”

Even with Dean and his 50 state strategy, we managed to hold onto a Congressional supermajority for a combined total of nine months. What we did in that nine months was passed a piece of legislation that led to that majority being gutted over the next 4 years, so that now the best we can hope for is that we keep the GOP to a 1 vote majority in 2 years.

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retired cynic Nov 30, 2016 • 10:12:31am

re: #287 darthstar

What happened to Tiffany? //

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klys (maker of Silmarils) Nov 30, 2016 • 10:14:25am

re: #359 ObserverArt

I agree. It is totally unneeded.

But it is equally unneeded and tiring to hear coastal people blow off a huge portion of this country with comments like “flyover county” and “armpit of America” and the like.

And I am not saying you do it Klys…far from it. But we all know people that say those types of “us and them” cliches.

Equally frustrating is hearing people from California and the rest of the West Coast say they should secede. How does that make all the people that would be left behind feel?

We need to work together. Surely the Republicans work all corners to cull their votes. Democrats needs to get to work doing the same.

I agree, but the caveat is understanding is a two way street. How many times have you heard that Clinton’s lead in the popular vote should be disregarded because it came from CA? Because votes from CA apparently don’t matter? (I mean, I get that from the standpoint of the EC my vote is pretty tiny but I still bother to vote.)

I’m with nsmith. The outreach needs to be through existing principles, not through compromising those principles (by say, focusing on economics and ignoring civil rights issues, for example, ignoring the reliable supporters that would hurt) to chase after the “rural” vote.

Anyway, time to get today’s run in. Back in a bit.

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Backwoods_Sleuth Nov 30, 2016 • 10:15:18am

looks like they’re mad…

Breitbart — and its new conservative allies — declares ‘war’ after Kellogg pulls ads from website https://t.co/AsNKo6SW22 pic.twitter.com/y0jCHyUckp

— Raw Story (@RawStory) November 30, 2016

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Breitbart and some of its right-wing audience are now declaring a war on advertisers who are dropping the site. The site’s CEO Larry Solov said, “We’ll handle this the way we always do — war.”

Solov added, “What you’re seeing is Kellogg’s and others buying into a false, left-wing narrative that our 45 million readers are deplorables … Our readers are mainstream America and, frankly, that’s who these advertisers risk alienating. They’re creating economic censorship of conservative discourse. They say we don’t represent their values — but we represent American values.”

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Anymouse Nov 30, 2016 • 10:15:47am

re: #364 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

The folks in flyover country are somehow very receptive to the GOP message that “Democratic Party Principles” mean big government, more welfare state, secularism, PC run amok and LGBTs prowling public restroom and showers.

It is up to the Democrats to correct that image.

That would mean they have to campaign here. Republicans do. Trump surrogates were all over my House district. No Clinton surrogates.

I hardly expected Hillary Clinton to come campaign in Scottsbluff (population 14,000). I did expect someone, anyone other than me to posit the Democratic message here.

No one. Nada. Zip. Nothing. Our state governor, our representative, our state senator, both US senators managed to get here. No Democrats. No surprise that the area went overwhelmingly for Trump. His people were the only ones campaigning here.

I doubt this district would have swung Democratic (in this election). But it wouldn’t have been such a blowout, and changing people’s minds means engaging with them. The state and national parties have written us off. Five electoral votes lost without a fight (including the one President Obama won the last time here).

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makeitstop Nov 30, 2016 • 10:15:59am

re: #367 retired cynic

What happened to Tiffany? //

Ambassador to some remote, insignificant country somewhere.

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Targetpractice Nov 30, 2016 • 10:17:18am

re: #370 Anymouse

That would mean they have to campaign here. Republicans do. Trump surrogates were all over my House district. No Clinton surrogates.

I hardly expected Hillary Clinton to come campaign in Scottsbluff (population 14,000). I did expect someone, anyone other than me to posit the Democratic message here.

No one. Nada. Zip. Nothing. Our state governor, our representative, our state senator, both US senators managed to get here. No Democrats. No surprise that the area went overwhelmingly for Trump. His people were the only ones campaigning here.

I doubt this district would have swung Democratic (in this election). But it wouldn’t have been such a blowout, and changing people’s minds means engaging with them. The state and national parties have written us off. Five electoral votes lost without a fight (including the one President Obama won the last time here).

And what happened differently in 2012?

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blueraven Nov 30, 2016 • 10:17:40am

re: #363 Anymouse

And we have a county party that even here is inclusive. The only African-American I ever met in living four years here is our Democratic Party treasurer. He is originally from New York City, a very nice fellow. He moved here to get away from the city rat-race.

Our county party is controlled by its president and vice-president, 88 and 87 yo men respectively who refuse to do anything except apparently sit on their laurels.

Our state party won’t talk to us unless they want money. The same for the national party, the DSCC, and the DCCC.

It has been four years since I became the only elected Democrat in the ninety thousand square mile area of the Nebraska Panhandle, and I still can’t get the state party to return a single call. Not one. None. Nada. Zip. They don’t care. As long as they can get people elected in Omaha and Lincoln they’re fine with that. (Too bad the Democrats lost the NE-2 seat to a Republican this election. Funny how that works when you don’t campaign in rural areas, the rural area votes for the people who do, in this case Republicans.)

On the other hand…dems were up considerably over 2012 in GA, TX and AZ.

docs.google.com

Resources will go to where there is better opportunity.

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Belafon Nov 30, 2016 • 10:18:49am

I agree we should stop using the terms “flyover country” and “coastal elite”. They do kind of show the ignorance of each side.

But the division that these represents is pretty close to the parties. When most rural people complain about coastal elites, they’re conveniently ignoring that states like California and New York are paying the taxes that are turned into the subsidies those states receive. People in states like Iowa believe that minorities are being concentrated on at their expense, when in fact no policy created by Democrats benefits only blacks. Could Democrats do a better job of arguing that? Possibly, but you’d first have to get through the false impressions that the economy is doing bad and that it’s Democrats that are ruining everything. When people are unwilling to look at the evidence that debt soars under Republicans and the economy does worse, how are you going to talk to them.

How do you tell people who are opposed to abortion that making it illegal won’t stop it?

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Backwoods_Sleuth Nov 30, 2016 • 10:20:11am

Preet Bharara, US attorney Southern District New York, arrived in lobby of Trump Tower at 12:43pm, boarded the elevator. Intrigue ensued.

— Eric Lipton (@EricLiptonNYT) November 30, 2016

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Targetpractice Nov 30, 2016 • 10:20:47am

re: #373 blueraven

On the other hand…dems were up considerably over 2012 in GA, TX and AZ.

docs.google.com

Resources will go to where there is better opportunity.

And when it looked like AZ might be in play, Hillary immediately devoted resources there, made personal appearances and had surrogates make appearances. A state that had viewed as a “safe” state for Trump months prior was now looking like it was on the fence and she took the opportunity. She didn’t win there, but she made an attempt.

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Belafon Nov 30, 2016 • 10:22:28am

I am going with Rev. Barber on this:

You cannot address America’s economic issues without addressing racism and you cannot address racism without addressing economics.

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Anymouse Nov 30, 2016 • 10:23:01am

re: #368 klys (maker of Silmarils)

I agree, but the caveat is understanding is a two way street. How many times have you heard that Clinton’s lead in the popular vote should be disregarded because it came from CA? Because votes from CA apparently don’t matter? (I mean, I get that from the standpoint of the EC my vote is pretty tiny but I still bother to vote.)

I’m with nsmith. The outreach needs to be through existing principles, not through compromising those principles (by say, focusing on economics and ignoring civil rights issues, for example, ignoring the reliable supporters that would hurt) to chase after the “rural” vote.

Anyway, time to get today’s run in. Back in a bit.

I haven’t heard it here. No one here has told me “California should be disregarded.” (Maybe because the only one in my township with Internet service is me.)

Pitching real solutions might help, but someone has to come here and pitch them first.

We have a Google fibre line that runs down the edge of our town. We can’t use it. Now the Democrats can’t make Google provide us service, but surely pitching real infrastructure and technology changes would be useful. Iowa and Nebraska at one time were the states with the most automobiles. Both these states were progressive states.

Then the Democrats decided that we weren’t worth fighting for (at the national level), and everyone is so surprised at LGF that people here now vote for Republicans?

You know why? Even if Republican policies are entirely BS, Republicans listen to the voters here. The GOP talks to them. Dems, you have me.

Where were the Dems when the referendum went on the state ballot (paid for entirely by the Governor) to re-instate the death penalty? Nowhere to be found. Not one Democrat bothered to come here and give our pitch on why that’s a bad idea.

Now not only do we have a reinstated death penalty, we have a Unicameral that is going to advance a death penalty drug secrecy bill. Where are the Dems campaigning against that? Oh right, as far as voters here can see, our party does not care about it.

That is why we lose us so-called flyover states. Because no Democrats come to pitch our policies and programmes, and Republicans make sure they always do. In every county.

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Dr Lizardo Nov 30, 2016 • 10:23:45am

re: #371 makeitstop

Ambassador to some remote, insignificant country somewhere.

Uzbekibekibekistan?

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Interesting Times Nov 30, 2016 • 10:24:01am

re: #324 Sir John Barron

But as someone pointed out here the other day, more populist Senate candidates in the Rust Belt failed to win their elections—Feingold in WI, Strickland in OH.

I saw the vox article about this, and even they pointed out other factors (e.g. Strickland being sunk by a bad campaign and relentless smears against his prior record as OH governor). Feingold? I’d say collateral damage from this sort of thing (which, again, boils down to problems with the top of the ticket).

And here’s the message-testing experiment that was referred to in the pollster report:

welp. https://t.co/M9MtAY2bbV pic.twitter.com/6w9F2XLqRh

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The ad text on the right is the economic message, and exactly the type of thing that SHOULD have been pounded relentlessly at the DNC (when Dems had the maximum megaphone - instead, they mostly wasted it on absurd outreach to so-called “moderate” GOPers, trying to give them a way to distance themselves from trump instead of tying him like an anchor to core GOP policy)

All HRC needed was 100k votes across MI, WI, and PA :(

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Anymouse Nov 30, 2016 • 10:24:02am

re: #372 Targetpractice

And what happened differently in 2012?

Democrats campaigned in 2012 in NE-2 from the national party. That electoral vote went for President Obama.

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Backwoods_Sleuth Nov 30, 2016 • 10:24:50am

Oh God, this is an actual readout of a phone call between Trump and Pakistan’s Prime Minister. via @rezhasan https://t.co/2Azj8FAmNH pic.twitter.com/RvascIjFqs

— DavidKenner (@DavidKenner) November 30, 2016

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Targetpractice Nov 30, 2016 • 10:27:19am

re: #381 Anymouse

Democrats campaigned in 2012 in NE-2 from the national party. That electoral vote went for President Obama.

Didn’t you just get done gripping that all the DNC does is campaign in NE-2? Isn’t one of your grievances with Hillary that she only showed up to stump in Omaha, that she didn’t venture down to your neck of the woods?

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sagehen Nov 30, 2016 • 10:27:31am

re: #328 Belafon

3. A lot of Democrats we’re content with where we’re at and rather than defending it, they chose to be idiots.

She won the popular vote, but in the US that’s not enough.

When the economy is crap, people vote the economy.

When the economy is in good shape, people vote culture war/social issues.

This is how 42, 43, 44 and now 45 all got elected.

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The Vicious Babushka Nov 30, 2016 • 10:28:15am

NOW YOU GET BOTH!!

2016: a choice between Donald Trump and Goldman Sachs.

— Edward Snowden (@Snowden) February 28, 2016

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Anymouse Nov 30, 2016 • 10:28:45am

re: #383 Targetpractice

Didn’t you just get done gripping that all the DNC does is campaign in NE-2? Isn’t one of your grievances with Hillary that she only showed up to stump in Omaha, that she didn’t venture down to your neck of the woods?

Yup that is one of my gripes, although as I noted above I didn’t expect Mrs. Clinton to campaign in NE-3 but I did expect someone. No one came. The voters in this electoral district voted for the only person running for President.

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Belafon Nov 30, 2016 • 10:30:07am

re: #385 The Vicious Babushka

NOW YOU GET BOTH!!

The joke yesterday was Trump saying that if you voted for Hillary, the country would be run by Goldman Sachs, and he was right.

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electrotek Nov 30, 2016 • 10:30:22am

re: #382 Backwoods_Sleuth

The standards just keep sinking.

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Targetpractice Nov 30, 2016 • 10:30:31am

re: #386 Anymouse

Yup that is one of my gripes, although as I noted above I didn’t expect Mrs. Clinton to campaign in NE-3 but I did expect someone. No one came. The voters in this electoral district voted for the only person running for President.

Did someone show up in 2012? 2008? Just how much of a difference was there in the effort between past elections and now?

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sagehen Nov 30, 2016 • 10:32:02am

re: #382 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Is that the American or Pakistani release? It reads like a bad translation.

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The Vicious Babushka Nov 30, 2016 • 10:33:01am

re: #390 sagehen

Is that the American or Pakistani release? It reads like a bad translation.

I am pretty certain that the PE said “fantastic” multiple times because his adjective collection is limited.

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Backwoods_Sleuth Nov 30, 2016 • 10:33:02am

re: #390 sagehen

Is that the American or Pakistani release? It reads like a bad translation.

It’s from the Pakistan government page.

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electrotek Nov 30, 2016 • 10:35:24am

re: #392 Backwoods_Sleuth

More proof of the incompetence of Nawaz Sharif and his party of Punjabi feudal land owners.

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blueraven Nov 30, 2016 • 10:35:35am

re: #386 Anymouse

Yup that is one of my gripes, although as I noted above I didn’t expect Mrs. Clinton to campaign in NE-3 but I did expect someone. No one came. The voters in this electoral district voted for the only person running for President.

The last time a D won NE was 1964 (LBJ) before that, 1936 (FDR).
Your expectation for Ds to spend resources there is not reasonable.

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Backwoods_Sleuth Nov 30, 2016 • 10:38:42am

re: #393 electrotek

More proof of the incompetence of Nawaz Sharif and his party of Punjabi feudal land owners.

I’m guessing that the subject of halting all immigration from Pakistan (since it’s one of those places…) didn’t come up during the conversation.

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Backwoods_Sleuth Nov 30, 2016 • 10:40:08am

oh………

NEW: Sarah Palin under consideration for Secretary of Veterans Affairs, sources tell @ABC News. -@shushwalshe

— ABC News Politics (@ABCPolitics) November 30, 2016

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electrotek Nov 30, 2016 • 10:40:36am

re: #395 Backwoods_Sleuth

I’m guessing that the subject of halting all immigration from Pakistan (since it’s one of those places…) didn’t come up during the conversation.

Or the Kashmir disputes.

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Colère Tueur de Lapin Nov 30, 2016 • 10:40:36am

re: #396 Backwoods_Sleuth

Why would it? tRump’s knowledge of foreign demographics doesn’t extend that far. He’s just going to say ‘ban ‘em, I don’t care about the details’re: <a

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Targetpractice Nov 30, 2016 • 10:41:14am

re: #394 blueraven

The last time a D won NE was 1964 (LBJ) before that, 1936 (FDR).
Your expectation for Ds to spend resources there is not reasonable.

We should spend resources, but we should be realistic about our chances. Sending surrogates into every backwood burge and flooding the airwaves with campaign ads isn’t going to flip the state overnight. Focusing on the votes we can turn, largely in liberal enclaves (which increasingly tend to be city centers), is a surer path to future victories than trying to flip votes in districts where the wildlife outnumber the people.

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Citizen K Nov 30, 2016 • 10:41:48am

re: #396 Backwoods_Sleuth

oh………

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It makes about as much sense as every other pick Trump’s made. IOW, it only makes sense if you imagine his goal is to undermine every single position from within.

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Targetpractice Nov 30, 2016 • 10:42:49am

re: #396 Backwoods_Sleuth

oh………

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lawhawk Nov 30, 2016 • 10:43:34am

Media reporting that Trump’s seeing Linda McMahon and Gen. John Kelly along with Phreet Bharara and Sonny Perdue.

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Anymouse Nov 30, 2016 • 10:45:05am

re: #389 Targetpractice

Did someone show up in 2012? 2008? Just how much of a difference was there in the effort between past elections and now?

I didn’t live here in 2008, and only moved here in 2012. I can’t say if anyone was here (but I doubt it).

In 2014, when I ran (village elections are non-partisan), I was known as an atheist, as an erotic Romance editor, as a long-haired hippie (well, I’m not really a hippie but my hair is down to my waist), and I beat the freakin’ gun shop owner in an open-carry state and unseated him from the village board.

We are not all just one monolith culture out here. Every employee of our village is an atheist. Our last village clerk was a lesbian rancher (poor Rush Limbaugh shuddered over those some months ago). The only monolithic thing about here is lots of sand dunes, cattle, and corn.

But my district ran Rep. ~~Wingnut~~ Adrian Smith unopposed. Next door to me in Wyoming, Liz Cheney ran unopposed. We won’t win if we don’t try, and our view has to be more than just the next election or the last election.

So we don’t have much of a presence here now (when we used to)? How do we build that so in six, twelve, or twenty years we can compete effectively?

“Well, NE-3 is too hard, so we will let Rep. Smith run unopposed (again)” doesn’t really get our message across.

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Backwoods_Sleuth Nov 30, 2016 • 10:45:51am

good freaking grief:

It appears the Ark Park will soon have an exhibit where people are fighting dinosaurs in the Roman Colosseum (80AD): https://t.co/591uTh9bLZ

— Joe Sonka (@joesonka) November 30, 2016

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Citizen K Nov 30, 2016 • 10:46:33am

Don’t look now, but the twitter account for the Office of Government Ethics has gone a bit…off.

.@realDonaldTrump this divestiture does what handing over control could never have done.

— U.S. OGE (@OfficeGovEthics) November 30, 2016

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10 or so such messages slobbering over Trump and his ‘divesting’, after extremely rare tweeting of the usual staid kind you’d expect from the office.

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Belafon Nov 30, 2016 • 10:47:52am

So, Anymouse, what do your neighbors want from a party? Do they just want someone to complain to? Do they want help with their problems?

When I hear a lot of people complain about what they’re having to deal with, it tends to boil down to:
1. Worried about my future,
2. Worried about my kids futures,
3. Worried about what to do in an emergency.

So, Obama and Democrats push through the ACA, SNAP, expand Medicaid and control costs under Medicare, push a tax credit for education. And the response is for more states to become Republican. And, sad to say, the reason is that the people in these states feel that those “others” are getting something.

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The Vicious Babushka Nov 30, 2016 • 10:47:59am

re: #404 Backwoods_Sleuth

good freaking grief:

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Yes but will it show the dinosaurs eating Christians?

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Anymouse Nov 30, 2016 • 10:48:03am

re: #396 Backwoods_Sleuth

Sarah Palin for VA? Aaack, these announcements seem more in keeping with the idea of Trump wants to stay in the news, not that any of them are serious. Throw out a name (Palin was last thrown out only a couple weeks ago for Interior), the so-called liberal media comes running like they heard a dinner bell.

How about if the media quit reporting on every burp from minority not-yet-President Elect Trump until there is actually something to report?

(If Sarah Palin were appointed to the VA, I would take up homoeopathy as probably safer for me.)

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Targetpractice Nov 30, 2016 • 10:48:38am

re: #403 Anymouse

I didn’t live here in 2008, and only moved here in 2012. I can’t say if anyone was here (but I doubt it).

In 2014, when I ran (village elections are non-partisan), I was known as an atheist, as an erotic Romance editor, as a long-haired hippie (well, I’m not really a hippie but my hair is down to my waist), and I beat the freakin’ gun shop owner in an open-carry state and unseated him from the village board.

We are not all just one monolith culture out here. Every employee of our village is an atheist. Our last village clerk was a lesbian rancher (poor Rush Limbaugh shuddered over those some months ago). The only monolithic thing about here is lots of sand dunes, cattle, and corn.

But my district ran Rep. ~~Wingnut~~ Adrian Smith unopposed. Next door to me in Wyoming, Liz Cheney ran unopposed. We won’t win if we don’t try, and our view has to be more than just the next election or the last election.

So we don’t have much of a presence here now (when we used to)? How do we build that so in six, twelve, or twenty years we can compete effectively?

“Well, NE-3 is too hard, so we will let Rep. Smith run unopposed (again)” doesn’t really get our message across.

So we get someone on the ballot in 2018. Then what? Do you we magically win that seat?

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The Vicious Babushka Nov 30, 2016 • 10:49:01am

re: #408 Anymouse

Sarah Palin for VA? Aaack, these announcements seem more in keeping with the idea of Trump wants to stay in the news, not that any of them are serious. Throw out a name (Palin was last thrown out only a couple weeks ago for Interior), the so-called liberal media comes running like they heard a dinner bell.

How about if the media quit reporting on every burp from minority not-yet-President Elect Trump until there is actually something to report?

(If Sarah Palin were appointed to the VA, I would take up homoeopathy as probably safer for me.)

We are watching “The Apprentice: USA Government!” in real time.

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Targetpractice Nov 30, 2016 • 10:49:45am

re: #410 The Vicious Babushka

We are watching “The Apprentice: USA Government!” in real time.

With a guarantee that not everybody who wins will still be there in 2020.

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lawhawk Nov 30, 2016 • 10:50:07am

After a meeting with @realDonaldTrump, @PreetBharara says he has agreed to stay on as U.S. attorney for the Southern District of New York.

— David Gura (@davidgura) November 30, 2016

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Considering that Bharara has been going after corrupt politicians in NYS, including those close to Cuomo, this isn’t surprising.

Trump should be worried that Bharara doesn’t start poking around Trump’s actions though. Bharara is quite effective at rooting out corruption.

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Backwoods_Sleuth Nov 30, 2016 • 10:50:22am

.@AlexNBCNews reports Sarah Palin is interested in VA Secretary job and the Trump team has been in touch with her about it

— Kasie Hunt (@kasie) November 30, 2016

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She’ll quit halfway through, so no worries. https://t.co/XzDKDGIbfB

— Laffy (@GottaLaff) November 30, 2016

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Colère Tueur de Lapin Nov 30, 2016 • 10:50:39am

re: #411 Targetpractice
I think you mean August, 2017.

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Franklin Nov 30, 2016 • 10:51:39am

re: #405 Citizen K

Don’t look now, but the twitter account for the Office of Government Ethics has gone a bit…off.

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10 or so such messages slobbering over Trump and his ‘divesting’, after extremely rare tweeting of the usual staid kind you’d expect from the office.

I have a feeling the OGE account is trolling Trump. The OGE account is talking from the point of view that Trump will totally divest from his companies and holdings. Has Trump actually said that?

.@realDonaldTrump OGE applauds the “total” divestiture decision. Bravo!

— U.S. OGE (@OfficeGovEthics) November 30, 2016

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.@realDonalTrump As we discussed with your counsel, divestiture is the way to resolve these conflicts.

— U.S. OGE (@OfficeGovEthics) November 30, 2016

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.@realDonaldTrump OGE is delighted that you’ve decided to divest your businesses. Right decision!

— U.S. OGE (@OfficeGovEthics) November 30, 2016

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TedStriker Nov 30, 2016 • 10:52:24am

re: #412 lawhawk

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Considering that Bharara has been going after corrupt politicians in NYS, including those close to Cuomo, this isn’t surprising.

Trump should be worried that Bharara doesn’t start poking around Trump’s actions though. Bharara is quite effective at rooting out corruption.

That is, until Trump decides to do his version of the Saturday Night Massacre.

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blueraven Nov 30, 2016 • 10:52:34am

re: #405 Citizen K

Don’t look now, but the twitter account for the Office of Government Ethics has gone a bit…off.

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10 or so such messages slobbering over Trump and his ‘divesting’, after extremely rare tweeting of the usual staid kind you’d expect from the office.

WTF

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gocart mozart Nov 30, 2016 • 10:52:42am

@ezlusztig @danmonaghan pic.twitter.com/cPRdi1tdHl

— Jarica Davis 🔗 (@jaricadavis) November 30, 2016

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Colère Tueur de Lapin Nov 30, 2016 • 10:53:16am

As an employee of a different fed agency, I know that our Twit account would never do that, but it kinda does look like the OGE is poking tRump.

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Backwoods_Sleuth Nov 30, 2016 • 10:53:22am

re: #405 Citizen K

re: #415 Franklin

This is … very interesting from @OfficeGovEthics. Presumably hacked, but, who knows. I’ve inquired via email. (Can’t get anyone on phone). pic.twitter.com/JbRMBtGggL

— Chris Geidner (@chrisgeidner) November 30, 2016

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Citizen K Nov 30, 2016 • 10:53:25am

re: #415 Franklin

I have a feeling the OGE account is trolling Trump. The OGE account is talking form the point of view that Trump will totally divest from his companies and holdings. Has Trump actually said that?

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I’m frankly leaning toward the account being hacked rather than trolling. The tone shift and frequency is just too much.

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Skip Intro Nov 30, 2016 • 10:53:40am

re: #405 Citizen K

Did Trump promise them a lap dance with Ivanka?

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sagehen Nov 30, 2016 • 10:53:40am

re: #399 Targetpractice

We should spend resources, but we should be realistic about our chances. Sending surrogates into every backwood burge and flooding the airwaves with campaign ads isn’t going to flip the state overnight. Focusing on the votes we can turn, largely in liberal enclaves (which increasingly tend to be city centers), is a surer path to future victories than trying to flip votes in districts where the wildlife outnumber the people.

It’s not the top of the ticket’s job to go everywhere; but it is the party chair’s job to FIND appropriate locals in every backwood burg to do local work; to give them advice on how to seek out persuadables, a selection of links (editorials, DoL stats, youtube links of both parties’ candidates’ campaign speeches, congressional floor speeches from both parties, to support the preferred narrative on whatever issues are of local concern, etc), and maybe an invitation to regional training seminars.

Example: Obama’s 2008 campaign had an app, that anybody who wants to call themselves a campaign volunteer can pull up issue-specific persuasive material on their phone to show the guy they’ve been chatting to in line at the grocery store.

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Colère Tueur de Lapin Nov 30, 2016 • 10:54:35am

re: #419 Colère Tueur de Lapin

As an employee of a different fed agency, I know that our Twit account would never do that, but it kinda does look like the OGE is poking tRump.

Ok, a hack seems more realistic.

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Backwoods_Sleuth Nov 30, 2016 • 10:57:34am

re: #404 Backwoods_Sleuth

good freaking grief:

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Also, it appears that the fighting dinosaur has been blinged: pic.twitter.com/wLMGVHIzT9

— Joe Sonka (@joesonka) November 30, 2016

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ObserverArt Nov 30, 2016 • 10:57:39am

re: #365 Citizen K

Since we’re back on this subject:

How do you propose we speak to “rural America” when we can talk policy all we like and it gets overwhelmed by ‘emails’ and ‘lock her up’?

How do you speak to population set that has been given policies to help them and have it spat back in your face because it didn’t ONLY help them, or they didn’t feel specifically pandered to?

How do you win back voters who shit on you for your ‘conflict of interests’ and celebrate your enemies when they do exactly what they accused you of?

Our problem is we live and play on a field completely and utterly tilted toward assholes and bullshit, on lies and deceit, and I simply don’t know how we pierce through that. Look at just how much absolute deference Trump has gotten before his inauguration, and compare that to the treatment of Obama for 8 years running.

Our message and outreach mean bupkis if it gets played through the same distorting lens we always get treated with.

Good point. But it isn’t helped when the actual Democrats get ignored in those parts of the country.

To me you just have to gather up the guts to go at them at the same time you strengthen the people you already have…give the Democrats in those areas the tools to stand up to the Republican BS.

They need to listen to the Anymouse types that are obviously out there and facing the same helpless situations.

It is sounding like the Democrats need to get back to some grassroots. The DNC needs to have some kind of a bus tour that hits the small locals in the ignored states to let people know they care. Those people must think the Republicans care. Time for some small scale re-education to show The Democrats care more and show the proof. And it needs to be done with party principals so they actually see those types of Democrats are not ignoring them.

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gocart mozart Nov 30, 2016 • 10:58:04am

Has this been confirmed as authentic or not?

@ezlusztig pic.twitter.com/QrcrNShwgG

— Gail (@stillgailslater) November 30, 2016

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@ezlusztig did you know about trump and his xxy syndrome? pic.twitter.com/pcL0ZN8j1W

— Gail (@stillgailslater) November 30, 2016

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Myron Falwell (no relation) Nov 30, 2016 • 10:59:33am

re: #404 Backwoods_Sleuth

good freaking grief:

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My ex-girlfriend and her husband went to that… place… a few months ago. As a work of outright fiction, it’s fine. But when you assert that it was for real… well, there’s a reason why she’s my ex-girlfriend…

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Anymouse Nov 30, 2016 • 10:59:54am

re: #406 Belafon

So, Anymouse, what do your neighbors want from a party? Do they just want someone to complain to? Do they want help with their problems?

When I hear a lot of people complain about what they’re having to deal with, it tends to boil down to:
1. Worried about my future,
2. Worried about my kids futures,
3. Worried about what to do in an emergency.

So, Obama and Democrats push through the ACA, SNAP, expand Medicaid and control costs under Medicare, push a tax credit for education. And the response is for more states to become Republican. And, sad to say, the reason is that the people in these states feel that those “others” are getting something.

This state was Republican before the ACA went through. Dems gave up on this state long before I moved here. When one of our local out-of-town ranchers lost her husband to cancer and she the ranch to medical bills, she became a full on supporter of the ACA when it was proposed. She now rents a house in the village, where once she was a millionaire rancher.

The state government blocked Medicaid expansion and insurance exchanges. Now the GOP is after Medicare and Social Security, and she is rightly pissed.

The only person who is addressing her issues here is me. (She was one of the eight people who voted for Hillary Clinton in town, though she is a Republican by registration.)

If the Democrats want to leave ninety thousand square miles of messaging to just me, I’d like a little help from the state and national parties on that. I can only write so many newspaper articles a week.

Everyone here seems to keep missing what I am saying here: You have to campaign to get votes.

Everyone in my village knows me. Everyone. (I just saw half the people in town this morning explaining our water boil order.) They know what our party broadly stands for because I am out here campaigning locally practically every day (without any party support whatsoever).

It would be a lot easier for me to move back to my home state of Michigan or to California or somewhere there are other people who will listen to the Democrats message because the party bothers to support their candidates.

I am up for reëlection in 2018. We’ll have to see if I am up for another run (I’ll be fifty-eight years old then). I’m not much willing to fight another campaign where my own county party ignores me.

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gocart mozart Nov 30, 2016 • 11:00:18am

@ezlusztig Umberto Eco,1995, ‘Ur-Fascism’ - this isn’t news to anyone but themselves! pic.twitter.com/6ZQvwrlNYE

— L. Austyan Julian (@LAustyanJulian) November 30, 2016

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gocart mozart Nov 30, 2016 • 11:00:44am

@ezlusztig It’s right there in Umberto Eco’s 1995 list of the diagnostic traits of fascism, point 12:https://t.co/FtSBom3iHx

— L. Austyan Julian (@LAustyanJulian) November 30, 2016

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Pawn of the Oppressor Nov 30, 2016 • 11:01:39am

Democrats will never reach large chunks of Republicans because Democrats don’t appear to believe in Evil as a concept.

Conservatives see themselves as warriors against Evil - ISIS, Big Gubmint, Mooslims, Globalization, Progressives, Commies, Soshulists, blah blah. Pick a bogeyman and they’re on it. Think about it, what’s the #1 charge that Republicans make against Dems?

Wussy liberals! Won’t fight! SJWs! Safe space wussies! Delusional! Pussies! Peaceniks! Sissies! Afraid of guns! Afraid of war! Wishy-washy! Panty-waists! Whiners! Bureacrats! They care about fags and girls while mewzlims are gonna come slit all our throats! War, war, war!

(Pick any invective you like, or try combinations. They’re fun!)

Consider how much of the so-called heartland literally believes there’s a war going on between God and The Devil, and that their government is supposed to pick a side. Guess which side they think the Democrats are on? TURMP TELLS IT LIIKE IT IS! HE AIN’T NO WUSSY MAN!

It doesn’t matter if liberals and Democrats are right, or have pesky things like “facts” and “long term trends” on their side.

This is the animus behind all the bullshit kerfuffles and psychological dingle-ornaments that ring and jangle on the Christmas Tree of Crazy that is the Republican party.

“Why do they care about flag pins?”
“Why do they think Radical Islamic Terrorism is a magic term?”
“Why do they love their guns more than people?”
“Why are they so paranoid?”
“Why do they hate the different?”

…Because they’re at war with pretty much everything, and they see evil everywhere. Until Democrats can frame their message in terms of gods and devils, and put aside the “Well, actually…” impulse to correct, they’re never going to reach the poor, blighted folks in the hills who really need help the most.

The Republican party figured out the psychology of its base decades ago. They have it down to a science so that the machine runs on its own, with just a bit of red meat thrown in now and again to keep it running. We all know it’s a fraud out here in the real world, but their base is imprisoned so deep in that psychological dungeon, that it’s going to take radical changes in language for the Democrats to ever reach those people.

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gocart mozart Nov 30, 2016 • 11:02:21am

Ha Ha

That moment when the alt-right started to realize that they were just the latest of Trump’s contractors to be stiffed: pic.twitter.com/Gs0lT2e6Zf

— (((Yair Rosenberg))) (@Yair_Rosenberg) November 30, 2016

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Stanley Sea Nov 30, 2016 • 11:04:42am

re: #396 Backwoods_Sleuth

omg

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Myron Falwell (no relation) Nov 30, 2016 • 11:04:43am

Heh

“Blind trust” pic.twitter.com/S4W3NOAJNL

— Domenico Montanaro (@DomenicoNPR) November 30, 2016

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gocart mozart Nov 30, 2016 • 11:06:21am

Maybe the DNC should hire Sen. Warren’s press-release writers to teach them how to talk to the American people pic.twitter.com/uSteZbET2p

— Adam Weinstein (@AdamWeinstein) November 30, 2016

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Targetpractice Nov 30, 2016 • 11:06:57am

re: #433 gocart mozart

Ha Ha

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“Trump appeals to homosexuals because of his liberal stan…oh, he just brought on Pence as his VP. Well, Trump is cool with black voters because he’s worried about the…ah, he just hired Steve Bannon. Well, he’s in good with working class voters because he’s not beholden to bankers and…he just hired a banker, didn’t he? FUCK!”

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Anymouse Nov 30, 2016 • 11:07:17am

re: #409 Targetpractice

So we get someone on the ballot in 2018. Then what? Do you we magically win that seat?

And the point missed again.

Go back and read what I wrote. We need to look at more than just the next election or the last one. We need a bloody plan.

Do we win the seat? Maybe not. Probably not. Who knows? I know we don’t win it if we don’t run anyone.

So in 2018, “So we get someone on the ballot in 2020”. Do you think we magically win that seat?” “So, we get someone on the ballot in 2022. Do you think we magically win that seat?”

I guarantee you we don’t win that seat if we don’t run anyone ever.

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jaunte Nov 30, 2016 • 11:07:29am

Pakistani media loving Trump’s promise of a visit; @POTUS never went there. Last visit was GWB in 2006. https://t.co/o9NajW07Kg

— Glenn Kessler (@GlennKesslerWP) November 30, 2016

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Already, Trump has made a risky promise to a foreign state. Consequences with India if he fulfilled. Consequences with Pak if he reneges. https://t.co/nLQsiMm47O

— Max Fisher (@Max_Fisher) November 30, 2016

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Foreign policy works, to a real extent, on signaling. Whether he’s aware or not, Trump is sending big splashy signals to a tense region.

— Max Fisher (@Max_Fisher) November 30, 2016

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gocart mozart Nov 30, 2016 • 11:07:56am

As Trump appoints a 17-year veteran of Goldman Sachs to run the US Treasury, I have only one message for the alt-right at this trying time: pic.twitter.com/0MnQgYdhhU

— (((Yair Rosenberg))) (@Yair_Rosenberg) November 30, 2016

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Backwoods_Sleuth Nov 30, 2016 • 11:10:10am

Radar confirmed tornado touchdown in northern Atlanta suburbs… pic.twitter.com/CWSx4CtK0v

— SevereStudios (@severestudios) November 30, 2016

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Lidane Nov 30, 2016 • 11:11:38am

*headdesk*

Sarah Palin Reportedly Under Consideration for Secretary of Veterans Affairs https://t.co/qwOyIPBXw2 pic.twitter.com/3Apr1HIMU3

— Mediaite (@Mediaite) November 30, 2016

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Franklin Nov 30, 2016 • 11:12:39am

re: #438 Anymouse

And the point missed again.

Go back and read what I wrote. We need to look at more than just the next election or the last one. We need a bloody plan.

Do we win the seat? Maybe not. Probably not. Who knows? I know we don’t win it if we don’t run anyone.

So in 2018, “So we get someone on the ballot in 2020”. Do you think we magically win that seat?” “So, we get someone on the ballot in 2022. Do you think we magically win that seat?”

I guarantee you we don’t win that seat if we don’t run anyone ever.

Bingo.

The good people of NE (or insert another red state) that would like to join the Democratic party are not going to up and run for School Committee, Town Selectman, City Council, Governors Council, State Senate without a plan. And THAT is where it starts.

You don’t just run a candidate for NE-3 against Adrian Smith. Wile that would be great, they’d likely get shellacked. You have to get people in at the ground floor. That’s what the other side did. Then they gerrymandered the shit out of it.

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Backwoods_Sleuth Nov 30, 2016 • 11:12:46am

Trump is urging his Cincinnati event goers to bring with them a “contract” that calls for an end to all federal funding to NYC, DC, and LA. pic.twitter.com/eikLI9iYbB

— Matt McDermott (@mattmfm) November 30, 2016

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gocart mozart Nov 30, 2016 • 11:14:03am

We are so fucked.

Oh God, this is an actual readout of a phone call between Trump and Pakistan’s Prime Minister. via @rezhasan https://t.co/2Azj8FAmNH pic.twitter.com/RvascIjFqs

— DavidKenner (@DavidKenner) November 30, 2016

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“fantastic country, fantastic place, fantastic people” @DavidKenner @Rezhasan pic.twitter.com/zHURIt1qDQ

— Tasneem N (@TasneemN) November 30, 2016

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Belafon Nov 30, 2016 • 11:14:32am

re: #444 Backwoods_Sleuth

Then NY and LA can keep their taxes and watch the federal government lose money.

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Backwoods_Sleuth Nov 30, 2016 • 11:15:49am

Priebus confirms that climate denial will be the official policy of Trump’s administration https://t.co/d8ps5jtGQU pic.twitter.com/MGdubGTOGC

— ThinkProgress (@thinkprogress) November 30, 2016

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Anymouse Nov 30, 2016 • 11:17:55am

re: #432 Pawn of the Oppressor

Democrats will never reach large chunks of Republicans because Democrats don’t appear to believe in Evil as a concept.

Bull. I believe in evil as a concept and I am not religious. I believe starving grannies and taking health care from the sick is evil, and I call it out as such, publicly, where I live. As for the rest… .

Try again with your broad brush of everyone in the heartland. As I mentioned above, every employee of our village is an atheist. Our last village clerk was a lesbian rancher.

Aside from me, there is another atheist on the village board (though she is a nominal Republican).

You know, everyone out here is not an inbred hick. In my own village, over half the village adults have at least a bachelor’s degree. (My wife had to hunt that information up when she was the librarian.) Most of the adult men are veterans. Most of the adults in town would love to have Internet service for their children in the local schools (or even in their homes). We might even spring for cable service if someone offered it.

But there is one party that makes sure it campaigns here in every last election. They plan ahead for future elections. They make sure they run candidates for every seat from school board to public power district to the US House to my village board. Then there is a party that runs no candidates and does not support the ones that run on their own.

So they are the party that wins here, primarily because the Democratic Party doesn’t care.

(Anyone in the party complaining about our upcoming death penalty drug secrecy bill? No. The party doesn’t care, so the voters will support the party that has a position on it. The one that campaigns on it.)

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Belafon Nov 30, 2016 • 11:19:40am

re: #448 Anymouse

Bull. I believe in evil as a concept and I am not religious. I believe starving grannies and taking health care from the sick is evil, and I call it out as such, publicly, where I live. As for the rest… .

Try again with your broad brush of everyone in the heartland. As I mentioned above, every employee of our village is an atheist. Our last village clerk was a lesbian rancher.

Aside from me, there is another atheist on the village board (though she is a nominal Republican).

You know, everyone out here is not an inbred hick. In my own village, over half the village adults have at least a bachelor’s degree. (My wife had to hunt that information up when she was the librarian.) Most of the adult men are veterans. Most of the adults in town would love to have Internet service for their children in the local schools (or even in their homes). We might even spring for cable service if someone offered it.

But there is one party that makes sure it campaigns here in every last election. They plan ahead for future elections. They make sure they run candidates for every seat from school board to public power district to the US House to my village board. Then there is a party that runs no candidates and does not support the ones that run on their own.

So they are the party that wins here, primarily because the Democratic Party doesn’t care.

(Anyone in the party complaining about our upcoming death penalty drug secrecy bill? No. The party doesn’t care, so the voters will support the party that has a position on it. The one that campaigns on it.)

Republicans are the party that properly stokes their fears. Caring, that’s something completely different.

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jaunte Nov 30, 2016 • 11:20:04am

Per @Max_Fisher, unbriefed improvisation in foreign policy can be terribly dangerous pic.twitter.com/9nkEIDj9dG

— Brendan Nyhan (@BrendanNyhan) November 30, 2016

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Stanley Sea Nov 30, 2016 • 11:20:42am

re: #441 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Guy I work with is in La Grange. (South of Atl) Power is out.

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Pawn of the Oppressor Nov 30, 2016 • 11:21:21am

re: #442 Lidane

*headdesk*

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I think some of these “sources say” leaks with outrageous news are canary traps set by the incoming “administration”.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light)) Nov 30, 2016 • 11:21:38am

re: #369 Backwoods_Sleuth

They’re creating economic censorship of conservative discourse. They say we don’t represent their values — but we represent American values

there is no such fucking thing as “economic censorship” - it is called the “free market” and the “marketplace of ideas”

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light)) Nov 30, 2016 • 11:23:45am

re: #428 Myron Falwell (no relation)

My ex-girlfriend and her husband went to that… place… a few months ago. As a work of outright fiction, it’s fine. But when you assert that it was for real… well, there’s a reason why she’s my ex-girlfriend…

and a great example of how to grift the state for tax subsidies

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Targetpractice Nov 30, 2016 • 11:23:52am

re: #438 Anymouse

And the point missed again.

Go back and read what I wrote. We need to look at more than just the next election or the last one. We need a bloody plan.

Do we win the seat? Maybe not. Probably not. Who knows? I know we don’t win it if we don’t run anyone.

So in 2018, “So we get someone on the ballot in 2020”. Do you think we magically win that seat?” “So, we get someone on the ballot in 2022. Do you think we magically win that seat?”

I guarantee you we don’t win that seat if we don’t run anyone ever.

“Keep banging your head against the wall” may be a plan, but it’s not a very good one. There’s entire industries in Vegas devoted to emptying the pockets of suckers who think that the next pull at the slot machine will be the jackpot. This plan isn’t going to do much over the short term besides make a bunch of advertising companies very rich.

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gocart mozart Nov 30, 2016 • 11:25:03am

Sarah Palin as VA Secretary seems completely insane until you remember that Donald Trump was just elected President.

— Dan Pfeiffer (@danpfeiffer) November 30, 2016

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Anymouse Nov 30, 2016 • 11:25:22am

re: #453 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

there is no such fucking thing as “economic censorship” - it is called the “free market” and the “marketplace of ideas”

I suspect Breitbart’s (presumed) boycott of Kellogg will go about as well as conservative boycotts of Target, Starbucks, &c &c &c.

Perhaps a campaign similar to Flush Rush would work with Breitbart? While Rush is plenty wealthy, his programme is losing money hand over fist and a number of radio stations have dropped it.

While no Internet provider is going to block Breitbart, it would be nice to see the Mercers pour money down a hole. They might cut him off if Bannon loses too much money, then Breitbart would be in trouble.

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gocart mozart Nov 30, 2016 • 11:26:02am

Trumpocracy
/trump äkrəsē/
noun

A system of government in which nobody really knows what the dumbass orange shitgibbon will do next.

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ObserverArt Nov 30, 2016 • 11:26:21am

Heh, it just hit me…

I wonder what all those people that hate liberal big cities like New York think about Trump using Trump Tower as The White House North? All these reports of political people having to come to Trump Tower and take the elevator to kiss Trump Rump is not at all about small town, ignored America.

Closer to Wall Street than ever!

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Barefoot Grin Nov 30, 2016 • 11:26:27am

re: #442 Lidane

*headdesk*

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Well, you’re never gonna solve the VA’s problems through competence.

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Backwoods_Sleuth Nov 30, 2016 • 11:26:29am

re: #451 Stanley Sea

Guy I work with is in La Grange. (South of Atl) Power is out.

*Approximate* #Tornado track in North #Atlanta today (based on radar) #gawx pic.twitter.com/3t7OJYLXJ8

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makeitstop Nov 30, 2016 • 11:28:11am

San Francisco officially gives Trump the finger. Good for them.

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Pawn of the Oppressor Nov 30, 2016 • 11:28:42am

re: #448 Anymouse

React as hard as you want, it’s not bullshit. I just left a state where I was neck-deep in people who can’t stand the soft language of Democrats WRT islamic terrorism. I was RAISED by someone from Schuylkill County, Pennsylvania, and I literally grew up soaked in the language and idioms that the Republican party speaks.

What’s the charge you hear the most about the Democrat party?

Soft, soft, soft. Weak. Intellectual. Talks too much.

You’re absolutely right that Democrats believe in evil, hence my word “APPEAR”. But until a Democrat is willing to stand up across from a Republican on national TV and shout “Bullshit! Wrong! You’re lying!” as hard as the Republicans do to them, there won’t be a breakthrough.

Speak as mean and plain as they do, or be ignored.

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Citizen K Nov 30, 2016 • 11:28:44am

re: #459 ObserverArt

Heh, it just hit me…

I wonder what all those people that hate liberal big cities like New York think about Trump using Trump Tower as The White House North? All these reports of political people having to come to Trump Tower and take the elevator to kiss Trump Rump is not at all about small town, ignored America.

Closer to Wall Street than ever!

Again, literally every single thing that Trump and supporters have accused or said about Clinton or Obama is applicable to Trump by several factors. And people just don’t fucking care, because IOKIYAR is now and forever the operative law in this country. Republicans are treated as goddamn gilded saints for all eternity, and Dems are the fucking Super Satans meant to be denied and denigrated for the evils they all represent.

How the fuck do you pierce through that kind of cognitive dissonance, gaslighting, and mass Stockholm’s Syndroming?

re: #463 Pawn of the Oppressor

Speak as mean and plain as they do, or be ignored.

Do you honest to god believe this would work? With the blatant double standards we have?

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light)) Nov 30, 2016 • 11:29:14am

re: #457 Anymouse

I suspect Breitbart’s (presumed) boycott of Kellogg will go about as well as conservative boycotts of Target, Starbucks, &c &c &c.

.

I am not a fan of Kellogg, I just buy whatever cornflakes are on sale that week. But I did send them a mail saying that I support their move.

Point is that these guys take everything as a personal affront and as a slight against the America that they claim to represent.

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Anymouse Nov 30, 2016 • 11:29:24am

re: #455 Targetpractice

“Keep banging your head against the wall” may be a plan, but it’s not a very good one. There’s entire industries in Vegas devoted to emptying the pockets of suckers who think that the next pull at the slot machine will be the jackpot. This plan isn’t going to do much over the short term besides make a bunch of advertising companies very rich.

AL, MS, AR, TN, KY, TX, OK, NE, KS, ND, SD, ID, WY, MT, keep counting unchallenged electoral votes.

One party competes for all of them, and their house districts. (I see Rep. Car Thief was reëlected in California. Oh, that’s right, he represents a primarily conservative area of California, so it doesn’t matter to the Dems.) Well, it did matter to the Dems because they ran Doug Applegate against him. He didn’t win, but the message is out there that Issa can no longer assume he is in a safe seat.

In the meantime, that list of safe seats and electoral votes keep growing. When would you like to start a national party? The 2018 election will determine many state legislatures for the 2020 census and redistricting.

Or do the Dems just wanna complain about GOP gerrymandering again? You run candidates, or you don’t win seats. That is how elections work.

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Anymouse Nov 30, 2016 • 11:30:52am

re: #463 Pawn of the Oppressor

React as hard as you want, it’s not bullshit. I just left a state where I was neck-deep in people who can’t stand the soft language of Democrats WRT islamic terrorism. I was RAISED by someone from Schuylkill County, Pennsylvania, and I literally grew up soaked in the language and idioms that the Republican party speaks.

What’s the charge you hear the most about the Democrat party?

Soft, soft, soft. Weak. Intellectual. Talks too much.

You’re absolutely right that Democrats believe in evil, hence my word “APPEAR”. But until a Democrat is willing to stand up across from a Republican on national TV and shout “Bullshit! Wrong! You’re lying!” as hard as the Republicans do to them, there won’t be a breakthrough.

Speak as mean and plain as they do, or be ignored.

So why aren’t our Democratic candidates doing that? “Wrong, bullshit, you’re lying” is quite accurate in many cases. It isn’t libel if it is true.

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Belafon Nov 30, 2016 • 11:30:53am

re: #464 Citizen K

Again, literally every single thing that Trump and supporters have accused or said about Clinton or Obama is applicable to Trump by several factors. And people just don’t fucking care, because IOKIYAR is now and forever the operative law in this country. Republicans are treated as goddamn gilded saints for all eternity, and Dems are the fucking Super Satans meant to be denied and denigrated for the evils they all represent.

How the fuck do you pierce through that kind of cognitive dissonance, gaslighting, and mass Stockholm’s Syndroming?

In the early 1900s it required a global economic collapse, most of the country unemployed, and a world war. In the 1800s it required a civil war.

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Barefoot Grin Nov 30, 2016 • 11:32:47am

re: #465 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I am not a fan of Kellogg, I just buy whatever cornflakes are on sale that week. But I did send them a mail saying that I support their move.

Point is that these guys take everything as a personal affront and as a slight against the America that they claim to represent.

Like the time Subway went bankrupt after they partnered with FLOTUS for a healthy options campaign.

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Backwoods_Sleuth Nov 30, 2016 • 11:33:19am

re: #466 Anymouse

AL, MS, AR, TN, KY, TX, OK, NE, KS, ND, SD, ID, WY, MT, keep counting unchallenged electoral votes.

Do not include Kentucky as part of your argument, because it does not apply here.

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Anymouse Nov 30, 2016 • 11:33:55am

Well, I said I was going to take a nap, and then I got involved in answering more stuff.

Damn this place is addictive. As soon as I can get a mail address for Mr. Johnson, I will send a cheque to support his efforts. (No credit cards.)

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Anymouse Nov 30, 2016 • 11:34:11am

re: #470 Backwoods_Sleuth

Do not include Kentucky as part of your argument, because it does not apply here.

Matt Bevin.

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Belafon Nov 30, 2016 • 11:34:18am

re: #463 Pawn of the Oppressor

React as hard as you want, it’s not bullshit. I just left a state where I was neck-deep in people who can’t stand the soft language of Democrats WRT islamic terrorism. I was RAISED by someone from Schuylkill County, Pennsylvania, and I literally grew up soaked in the language and idioms that the Republican party speaks.

What’s the charge you hear the most about the Democrat party?

Soft, soft, soft. Weak. Intellectual. Talks too much.

You’re absolutely right that Democrats believe in evil, hence my word “APPEAR”. But until a Democrat is willing to stand up across from a Republican on national TV and shout “Bullshit! Wrong! You’re lying!” as hard as the Republicans do to them, there won’t be a breakthrough.

Speak as mean and plain as they do, or be ignored.

From what I saw of the debates, Clinton came pretty close on that without actually using the word bullshit.

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Targetpractice Nov 30, 2016 • 11:34:29am

re: #466 Anymouse

AL, MS, AR, TN, KY, TX, OK, NE, KS, ND, SD, ID, WY, MT, keep counting unchallenged electoral votes.

One party competes for all of them, and their house districts. (I see Rep. Car Thief was reëlected in California. Oh, that’s right, he represents a primarily conservative area of California, so it doesn’t matter to the Dems.) Well, it did matter to the Dems because they ran Doug Applegate against him. He didn’t win, but the message is out there that Issa can no longer assume he is in a safe seat.

In the meantime, that list of safe seats and electoral votes keep growing. When would you like to start a national party? The 2018 election will determine many state legislatures for the 2020 census and redistricting.

Or do the Dems just wanna complain about GOP gerrymandering again? You run candidates, or you don’t win seats. That is how elections work.

You can’t seem to make up your mind. One minute you say that just running somebody is what matters, the next you bitch that people run but don’t get support from the party. Is it enough to just run somebody on every ballot in the nation or do they all have to be given as much support as possible as if every race was in play and we might win more than we’d lose?

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Backwoods_Sleuth Nov 30, 2016 • 11:35:35am

re: #472 Anymouse

Matt Bevin.

Totally not relevant to your argument.

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Pawn of the Oppressor Nov 30, 2016 • 11:36:01am

re: #467 Anymouse

So why aren’t our Democratic candidates doing that? “Wrong, bullshit, you’re lying” is quite accurate in many cases. It isn’t libel if it is true.

That’s what I don’t understand. Simply put, Democrats need a warrior. This is a marketing issue and I’m not sure what it is in the party’s character that keeps people from coming across as “warlike”. The reliance on consensus and the inclusiveness, maybe?

Look at Jon Stewart, John Oliver, and Samantha Bee. They’re arguably better spokes-people for the Democrats than most politicians are, and we love them for it because they don’t pull punches.

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Anymouse Nov 30, 2016 • 11:36:30am

re: #474 Targetpractice

You can’t seem to make up your mind. One minute you say that just running somebody is what matters, the next you bitch that people run but don’t get support from the party. Is it enough to just run somebody on every ballot in the nation or do they all have to be given as much support as possible as if every race was in play and we might win more than we’d lose?

Don’t run someone, don’t win. period. Even a bad candidate is better than no candidate.

On Kentucky: Mitch McConnell, Rand Paul. Kim Davis.

How’s Kynect doing these days? Oh that’s right, it’s going away.

G’night yall.

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Targetpractice Nov 30, 2016 • 11:37:30am

re: #477 Anymouse

Don’t run someone, don’t win. period. Even a bad candidate is better than no candidate.

On Kentucky: Mitch McConnell, Rand Paul. Kim Davis.

How’s Kynect doing these days? Oh that’s right, it’s going away.

G’night yall.

Then please, in the future, drop this “The DNC won’t take my calls” bit, because you’re running. Isn’t that enough?

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Backwoods_Sleuth Nov 30, 2016 • 11:38:31am

re: #477 Anymouse

Don’t run someone, don’t win. period. Even a bad candidate is better than no candidate.

On Kentucky: Mitch McConnell, Rand Paul. Kim Davis.

How’s Kynect doing these days? Oh that’s right, it’s going away.

G’night yall.

jeebus. There were good Dem candidates to run in each of those Kentucky elections.
You really have no clue as to the reasons why things happened here they way they did.

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Barefoot Grin Nov 30, 2016 • 11:39:28am

re: #382 Backwoods_Sleuth

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“felicitated him” heh heh.

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Pawn of the Oppressor Nov 30, 2016 • 11:40:00am

re: #473 Belafon

From what I saw of the debates, Clinton came pretty close on that without actually using the word bullshit.

In rare moments, she did, and she practically came alive when she went off-script. But look at how SNL played her fallback onto the kids-and-families speech, in the sketch with Tom Hanks. “Yes, we know, Hillary.”

I’d also argue that Hillary was starting with a handicap because of her name, history, and - sadly - gender. If she really had come out swinging as the Evil Bitch that the Republicans imagined her to be, maybe she’d have done better? I don’t know, maybe not. She’s a special case IMO.

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Backwoods_Sleuth Nov 30, 2016 • 11:40:31am

re: #480 Barefoot Grin

“felicitated him” heh heh.

That amused me very much as well.

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Barefoot Grin Nov 30, 2016 • 11:41:10am

re: #482 Backwoods_Sleuth

That amused me very much as well.

Probably a lot of that going around.

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klys (maker of Silmarils) Nov 30, 2016 • 11:42:45am

I was sort of hoping for a new thread when I got back.

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Belafon Nov 30, 2016 • 11:43:23am

re: #479 Backwoods_Sleuth

jeebus. There were good Dem candidates to run in each of those Kentucky elections.
You really have no clue as to the reasons why things happened here they way they did.

Yep, Bevin beat the Democrat, wasn’t it the Lt. Governor, by running on ending Kynect.

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lawhawk Nov 30, 2016 • 11:43:23am

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Targetpractice Nov 30, 2016 • 11:44:34am

re: #485 Belafon

Yep, Bevin beat the Democrat, wasn’t it the Lt. Governor, by running on ending Kynect.

Thus proving that, no matter how good the ACA may seem, there are plenty of voters who will vote against it because they see “those people” as benefiting from something they think should be exclusive to them.

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wrenchwench Nov 30, 2016 • 11:45:07am

re: #484 klys (maker of Silmarils)

I was sort of hoping for a new thread when I got back.

More miles! Make it happen!

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Barefoot Grin Nov 30, 2016 • 11:45:30am

re: #484 klys (maker of Silmarils)

I was sort of hoping for a new thread when I got back.

Suddenly a Stones song came to mind….

Actually, it’s funny how Trump’s campaign subliminally mocked his supporters with that song.

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klys (maker of Silmarils) Nov 30, 2016 • 11:45:33am

re: #488 wrenchwench

More miles! Make it happen!

Nooooooooooo, today is only a 5 mile day.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light)) Nov 30, 2016 • 11:45:44am

re: #487 Targetpractice

Thus proving that, no matter how good the ACA may seem, there are plenty of voters who will vote against it because they see “those people” as benefiting from something they think should be exclusive to them.

and it’s from the government, which is always evil, and not from the private sector, which is always benevolent…

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lawhawk Nov 30, 2016 • 11:45:52am

You’ve been conned. Get used to the feeling. @WalshFreedom pic.twitter.com/5vGUlVpli8

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wrenchwench Nov 30, 2016 • 11:47:56am

re: #490 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Nooooooooooo, today is only a 5 mile day.

My calendar says something about 30. Oh, it’s the date.

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klys (maker of Silmarils) Nov 30, 2016 • 11:48:48am

re: #493 wrenchwench

My calendar says something about 30. Oh, it’s the date.

You want to run 30 miles today? Wow. My longest so far is 10.

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Citizen K Nov 30, 2016 • 11:49:12am

re: #487 Targetpractice

re: #491 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

And again, how do you pierce through that? How do you make headway when the opportunity is so narrow, reaching out to groups so willing to cut off their nose to spite their face, to willingly submit themselves to economic and political pain just so they can make their neighbors of the ‘others’ suffer even worse? How do you get that? Because no matter this hubbub about the reemergence of the ‘White working class’, that’s where a lot of the animus is. Not from being ignored, but by having to share the goddamn pot with those evil undeserving ‘others’. You will know them by their actions, not their words.

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wrenchwench Nov 30, 2016 • 11:49:33am

re: #494 klys (maker of Silmarils)

You want to run 30 miles today? Wow. My longest so far is 10.

30 minute nap.

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Targetpractice Nov 30, 2016 • 11:49:55am

So for the second time in two decades, wingnuts voted for a “plain-talking” businessman that they thought was gonna get rid of all the corruption and back-scratching in D.C., then found out after the election that he’s a bullshit artist who scammed their asses into electing a new whole different cabal of corrupt assholes.

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klys (maker of Silmarils) Nov 30, 2016 • 11:50:31am

re: #496 wrenchwench

30 minute nap.

Ooo! Ooo! I like this option.

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Backwoods_Sleuth Nov 30, 2016 • 11:50:51am

re: #485 Belafon

Yep, Bevin beat the Democrat, wasn’t it the Lt. Governor, by running on ending Kynect.

Bevin was going to make Kynect “better” (sound familiar?)

There are a whole lot more registered Democrats in Kentucky than Republicans.
The problem is that there are a whole lot of proudly ignorant people who are easily frightened and willing to listen to candidates who say what they want to hear. In the case of Bevin it was a preview of “Drain the Swamp” because he was a businessman/not a politician/insider, and Obamacare was bad because black man in the White House, and Coal! Coal! Coal!

There’s more to the issue but I’ll just stop with those brief observations.

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Citizen K Nov 30, 2016 • 11:50:56am

re: #497 Targetpractice

So for the second time in two decades, wingnuts voted for a “plain-talking” businessman that they thought was gonna get rid of all the corruption and back-scratching in D.C., then found out after the election that he’s a bullshit artist who scammed their asses into electing a new whole different cabal of corrupt assholes.

And how many will just shrug and not give a fuck because the amorphous ‘they’ of their enemies lost even worse?

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Targetpractice Nov 30, 2016 • 11:51:19am

re: #495 Citizen K

And again, how do you pierce through that? How do you make headway when the opportunity is so narrow, reaching out to groups so willing to cut off their nose to spite their face, to willingly submit themselves to economic and political pain just so they can make their neighbors of the ‘others’ suffer even worse? How do you get that? Because no matter this hubbub about the reemergence of the ‘White working class’, that’s where a lot of the animus is. Not from being ignored, but by having to share the goddamn pot with those evil undeserving ‘others’. You will know them by their actions, not their words.

That’s a question that has beguiled minds since the concept of politics began. But I can tell you right now that this is not a new phenomenon in US history. The roots of this debate stretch all the way back to the passage of the Great Society and the beginning of the government supporting more than just the “working class.”

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Myron Falwell (no relation) Nov 30, 2016 • 11:54:42am

re: #457 Anymouse

I suspect Breitbart’s (presumed) boycott of Kellogg will go about as well as conservative boycotts of Target, Starbucks, &c &c &c.

Perhaps a campaign similar to Flush Rush would work with Breitbart? While Rush is plenty wealthy, his programme is losing money hand over fist and a number of radio stations have dropped it.

TBH, it might be more successful.

Thing to understand about Rush… his show is set up in a vertical distribution scheme. iHeartMedia, who owns the majority of his affiliates, also owns the syndicator that distributes him… and those non-iHeart-owned affiliates much pay iHeart a carriage fee equivalent to the market size. WRKO in Boston paid iHeart millions of dollars yearly and couldn’t recoup the cost, thus, they dropped him… but most iHeart-owned talkers (such as his replacement Boston affiliate, WKOX 1430) pass the fee from one department in the company to another.

Breitbart’s doesn’t have that big of a safety net outside the Mercers. Target the remaining advertisers and content providers (and anyone else who steps in to fill that void), and it will hurt them.

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unproven innocence Nov 30, 2016 • 11:55:35am

re: #428 Myron Falwell (no relation)

My ex-girlfriend and her husband went to that… place… a few months ago. As a work of outright fiction, it’s fine. But when you assert that it was for real… well, there’s a reason why she’s my ex-girlfriend…

My ex gf took me to a local AIG event where David Barton and Ken Ham shared the stage (w/ about 4 other American Taliban wannabees), and later gifted me an autograft (sic) copy of Ham’s Dinosaurs of Eden —for my teenage daughters. Book went promptly to the local landfill.

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makeitstop Nov 30, 2016 • 11:55:57am

So, Trump already has an extremely low approval ratings among Democrats.

As the depth and breadth of The Big Con sinks in on conservatives, he cold possibly be looking at the lowest approval ratings ever by Inauguration Day.

Give him time, and a lot of his supposed ‘base’ could end up hating the guy as much as we do. Won’t Twitter just be a barrel of laughs at that point…

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(alpuz) Nov 30, 2016 • 11:57:06am

re: #497 Targetpractice

So for the second time in two decades, wingnuts voted for a “plain-talking” businessman that they thought was gonna get rid of all the corruption and back-scratching in D.C., then found out after the election that he’s a bullshit artist who scammed their asses into electing a new whole different cabal of corrupt assholes.

And they’ll back him(Trump) all the way. Remember the ‘miss me yet’ Bush signs?

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gocart mozart Nov 30, 2016 • 11:57:22am

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Backwoods_Sleuth Nov 30, 2016 • 11:58:16am

And, for the record, for this most recent general election, Hillary campaigned in Kentucky. So did Bill, and Chelsea, and Elizabeth Warren.
There WERE very good and decent Dem candidates running, both this time around and last time.
So, among other factors, equating what happened in Kentucky with states like Nebraska is not even apples and oranges, it’s chalk and cheese.

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lawhawk Nov 30, 2016 • 11:58:39am

re: #504 makeitstop

It’ll be a nonstop I told you so chorus from the left and the “never” Trumpers who went Trump and back again (without the trip to Middle Earth) all while Trump leads us straight into a trap in Mordor.

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Backwoods_Sleuth Nov 30, 2016 • 12:03:57pm

*blink*

Sec. Condoleezza Rice has entered the DC transition office to meet with VP-Elect Pence—> pic.twitter.com/Y3OHUtYf5X

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Backwoods_Sleuth Nov 30, 2016 • 12:05:24pm

babee!!!!

Awww. Anana, the newest polar bear @CincinnatiZoo made her public debut today. https://t.co/amM8fO5DdX pic.twitter.com/qjiGVJMSNk

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darthstar Nov 30, 2016 • 12:05:49pm

Heard some pundit gleefully talking about how Trump took Romney to dinner in NYC because he knew they’d get their pictures taken and wasn’t he playing the media like a puppet on a string! Totes adorbs!

Jesus fucking christ…they have no idea what they’re doing. It’s all just a game of ratings to them.

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Myron Falwell (no relation) Nov 30, 2016 • 12:07:32pm

re: #504 makeitstop

So, Trump already has an extremely low approval ratings among Democrats.

As the depth and breadth of The Big Con sinks in on conservatives, he cold possibly be looking at the lowest approval ratings ever by Inauguration Day.

Give him time, and a lot of his supposed ‘base’ could end up hating the guy as much as we do. Won’t Twitter just be a barrel of laughs at that point…

Even better when they start turning on their red-hat-wearing representatives and senators in full-blown mutiny.

That’s again the thing we’re not realizing here. The GOP legislative branch is just as dysfunctional as Trump and his acolytes… and then you have the rank-and-file wingnuts. As threatening as they are as a unified body, it’s not a healthy alliance in the least and could collapse in spectacular fashion.

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darthstar Nov 30, 2016 • 12:08:59pm

re: #510 Backwoods_Sleuth

babee!!!!

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Normally, I’d say let her go in the wild, but given the loss of hunting grounds they face with global warming, maybe Trump’s Ohio is a better place to be.

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William Lewis Nov 30, 2016 • 12:11:54pm

re: #509 Backwoods_Sleuth

*blink*

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Unlike the mittens/Trumpenfuhrer meeting, that one is dangerous for the nation’s future.

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DC_Run Nov 30, 2016 • 12:20:24pm

Good to see runners here. Marathon training starts next week. Why did I have to sign up for a April marathon (thus making long miles in winter a certainty)???

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light)) Nov 30, 2016 • 12:20:52pm

re: #495 Citizen K

And again, how do you pierce through that? How do you make headway when the opportunity is so narrow, reaching out to groups so willing to cut off their nose to spite their face, to willingly submit themselves to economic and political pain just so they can make their neighbors of the ‘others’ suffer even worse? How do you get that?

This is what we get when we cut corners on basic public education. A class that knows just enough to do the bidding of those who can afford to educate their children better.

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klys (maker of Silmarils) Nov 30, 2016 • 12:22:20pm

re: #515 DC_Run

Good to see runners here. Marathon training starts next week. Why did I have to sign up for a April marathon (thus making long miles in winter a certainty)???

My half is in January. Trying to figure out what comes after that.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light)) Nov 30, 2016 • 12:23:03pm

re: #512 Myron Falwell (no relation)

Even better when they start turning on their red-hat-wearing representatives and senators in full-blown mutiny.

That’s again the thing we’re not realizing here. The GOP legislative branch is just as dysfunctional as Trump and his acolytes… and then you have the rank-and-file wingnuts. As threatening as they are as a unified body, it’s not a healthy alliance in the least and could collapse in spectacular fashion.

there are those who are trying to make it a controlled implosion that thy can use to their advantage…sort a a political analog to the collapse of 2008

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DC_Run Nov 30, 2016 • 12:29:13pm

re: #517 klys (maker of Silmarils)

I have a local half marathon in March also. I’m okay with halfs (did one in Oct and one in Nov) but worried about the full as my legs have this annoying habit of giving up at mile 11 or 12 and I have to go the rest of the way on pure determination. Not the most fun to be had.

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Eventual Carrion Nov 30, 2016 • 12:53:33pm

re: #369 Backwoods_Sleuth

looks like they’re mad…

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klys (maker of Silmarils) Nov 30, 2016 • 12:55:44pm

re: #519 DC_Run

I have a local half marathon in March also. I’m okay with halfs (did one in Oct and one in Nov) but worried about the full as my legs have this annoying habit of giving up at mile 11 or 12 and I have to go the rest of the way on pure determination. Not the most fun to be had.

This is my first half (I started running in June) and I’m looking forward to it. I do want to do a full at some point but I figure finishing a half is a good starting place.

I do my first 12 mile run next week, so we’ll see how that goes.

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DC_Run Nov 30, 2016 • 12:59:44pm

re: #521 klys (maker of Silmarils)

I started in September of this year. I ran Denver in October and Vegas in November and I probably had no business running either of them. I did decently and it worked out in the end though.

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klys (maker of Silmarils) Nov 30, 2016 • 1:16:26pm

re: #522 DC_Run

I started in September of this year. I ran Denver in October and Vegas in November and I probably had no business running either of them. I did decently and it worked out in the end though.

I have had reasonable success with alternating run/walk, for what that is worth. Didn’t hurt my pace (which is relatively slow anyway, but actually improved once I started the run/walk stuff) and I feel a lot better after my runs in terms of energy.

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leftynyc Nov 30, 2016 • 1:49:31pm

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sagehen Nov 30, 2016 • 1:54:58pm

re: #495 Citizen K

And again, how do you pierce through that? How do you make headway when the opportunity is so narrow, reaching out to groups so willing to cut off their nose to spite their face, to willingly submit themselves to economic and political pain just so they can make their neighbors of the ‘others’ suffer even worse? How do you get that?

You pierce through it by not expecting your plans to lead to victory in 18 months, and not expecting each (or any) victory to be permanent.

The labor movement took DECADES to achieve near-full unionization. And a shit-ton more work to keep it vital for decades more. Then they stopped bothering.

When I was young, liberal activists were really goddamn active. They were energetic, they were organized, they were relentless. Which is why in the space of 10 years (64-74) we got

Civil Rights Act
Voting Rights Act
fair housing and employment laws
a series of laws separating church/state
Medicare
EPA
OSHA
Title IX, Title X
affirmative action
Amendment to lower the voting age
Roe v Wade
Agnew resigned, Nixon resigned
end the draft

Once the draft ended, the liberals cheered “MISSION ACCOMPLISHED” and went home. They thought it was won, forever. They lost interest.

That’s when conservatives said “okay, it’s halftime” and went back to the locker room to strategize for what’s next. When they returned to the playing field, they were unopposed. That’s how we got Reagan. And every bit of right-ward movement since then.

The way to pierce through that is to MAKE an opportunity. Through a long, slow, never-give-up slog. Through not being a bunch of lazy-ass special snowflakes who think if they just whine “it’s not faaaaaiiiirr!” it’ll be persuasive. Liberals need to GET FUCKING INVOLVED. and STAY INVOLVED for more than just the duration of a presidential campaign. Conservatives have the money to hire people to do this work for them; liberals need to apply the elbow grease to do it their damn selves.

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Eventual Carrion Nov 30, 2016 • 2:02:15pm

re: #404 Backwoods_Sleuth

good freaking grief:

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