Right Wing Terrorist Who Wanted to “Self-Investigate Pizzagate” Arrested in Washington DC

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If you’re not familiar with the utterly deranged delusion called #PizzaGate that’s burning up the right wing’s Twitter and Facebook bandwidth these days, here’s a story with the full background.

All you really need to know is that the far right is caught up in a conspiracy theory that a pizzeria in Washington DC is a hub of child sex trafficking, and it involves Hillary Clinton, John Podesta and a bunch of their other favorite targets. It’s being hyped by Infowars, Gateway Pundit and a host of other right wing sources.

They’ve been going completely bonkers about this fake story for the past month, and today a man incited by this bad craziness entered the Comet Pizza restaurant with an assault rifle and terrorized the customers and employees before being arrested.

This story broke earlier today but I was holding off for confirmation that the gunman was actually inspired by the PizzaGate fake news; tonight we have that confirmation in a statement from the DC Police Department:

Fake news now has some very real consequences.

UPDATE at 12/4/16 7:01:12 pm by Charles Johnson

CBS News is labeling this white right wing terrorist a “victim.” I wish I were kidding.

UPDATE at 12/4/16 9:01:17 pm by Charles Johnson

And now details are emerging about the alleged gunman; he’s a fan of Alex Jones and Infowars, a registered Republican, and has posted anti-Muslim videos on his Facebook page.

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371 comments

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Anymouse  Dec 4, 2016 • 6:21:59pm

He can’t be a terrorist, he’s a white conservative. He is merely a “lone wolf” (rather than the stochastic terrorism being spun up by SMOTI, Gen. Flynn, and others).

Amazingly, nothing at Free Republic, GOPUSA, RedState, BarbWire (though they claim Cecile Richards of Planned Parenthood is about to be prosecuted), Town Hall, Drudge Report.

In the wingnutosphere, it’s as if nothing happened in DC at all.

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Jenner7  Dec 4, 2016 • 6:22:37pm
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The Madness of King Orange (aka Sophist)  Dec 4, 2016 • 6:24:25pm

So, what are the odds the media covers how he was radicalized? Zero? Less?

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thedopefishlives  Dec 4, 2016 • 6:26:23pm

re: #3 The Madness of King Orange (aka Sophist)

So, what are the odds the media covers how he was radicalized? Zero? Less?

They’ll misdirect and blow out of proportion the whole “PizzaGate” fake news story.

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Anymouse  Dec 4, 2016 • 6:27:44pm

re: #3 The Madness of King Orange (aka Sophist)

So, what are the odds the media covers how he was radicalized? Zero? Less?

Nope, there will be an amazing amount of discussion of his bad childhood, mental illness (spit), &c, and not a whit about two months of endless derp about a lie propagated by 4chan throughout the right-wing propaganda network.

If they called out right-wing propaganda for what it is and what it does, GOP politicians would not give their journalists “access,” and access is all that matters, not truth.

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William Lewis  Dec 4, 2016 • 6:28:04pm

re: #3 The Madness of King Orange (aka Sophist)

So, what are the odds the media covers how he was radicalized? Zero? Less?

Two words: email server.

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teleskiguy  Dec 4, 2016 • 6:30:28pm

OT, Paul Ryan is a festering sleazebag real-life cartoon villain.

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thedopefishlives  Dec 4, 2016 • 6:31:13pm

re: #5 Anymouse

Nope, there will be an amazing amount of discussion of his bad childhood, mental illness (spit), &c, and not a whit about two months of endless derp about a lie propagated by 4chan throughout the right-wing propaganda network.

If they called out right-wing propaganda for what it is and what it does, GOP politicians would not give their journalists “access,” and access is all that matters, not truth.

We saw this during the Iraq War, when journalists came out about how they were aware of the atrocities of the Hussein government, but kept silent because they valued their access to Baghdad over their integrity.

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Thanos  Dec 4, 2016 • 6:32:36pm

Everyone should be pounding at Gateway Pundit and Infowars to denounce this guy as they do to others….

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 4, 2016 • 6:32:37pm

I for one welcome our Celestial Overlords

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Anymouse  Dec 4, 2016 • 6:33:44pm

re: #10 The Vicious Babushka

That’s okay, Donald Trump will impose a thirty percent tariff on solar panels.

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 4, 2016 • 6:33:58pm

Slowly starting to trickle into the mainstream media

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 4, 2016 • 6:34:27pm
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Anymouse  Dec 4, 2016 • 6:34:49pm

re: #8 thedopefishlives

We saw this during the Iraq War, when journalists came out about how they were aware of the atrocities of the Hussein government, but kept silent because they valued their access to Baghdad over their integrity.

We also saw that they kept silent about our own atrocities, because they valued access to the Pentagon and President Bush over their integrity.

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thedopefishlives  Dec 4, 2016 • 6:35:58pm

re: #14 Anymouse

We also saw that they kept silent about our own atrocities, because they valued access to the Pentagon and President Bush over their integrity.

A fair point. In this world of free information, access is king, and the journalists know that having inside access is the only leverage they’ve got over the mindless hordes of bloggers who would usurp their throne.

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 4, 2016 • 6:36:42pm

Sleep well, Lizards

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Charles Johnson  Dec 4, 2016 • 6:37:09pm
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thedopefishlives  Dec 4, 2016 • 6:37:51pm

re: #16 The Vicious Babushka

Let’s be fair, here: Supposedly, the Soviet Union was set up with a similar system. Yet they failed to launch on at least one occasion. I have about 50% confidence that some well-meaning American serviceman would fail to pull the trigger, should Drumpf issue an order to Minot to let the birds fly.

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Targetpractice  Dec 4, 2016 • 6:38:38pm

re: #17 Charles Johnson

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Come on, Charles, you know better. Dim Jim’s gonna conclude this is either a “false flag” or that the guy’s a “liberal loon” who’s trying to make him and his marks…er, readers look bad.

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worldknot  Dec 4, 2016 • 6:38:38pm

If you’re in DC, please give them your support. I recommend the Smoky.

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Anymouse  Dec 4, 2016 • 6:38:43pm

re: #15 thedopefishlives

A fair point. In this world of free information, access is king, and the journalists know that having inside access is the only leverage they’ve got over the mindless hordes of bloggers who would usurp their throne.

I would not consider Mr. Johnson or others like Jim Wright mindless. They care about the truth.

Some media outlets care about the truth, such as Newsweek with Kurt Eichenwald, The Economist, and others, but they are being drowned in derp. Their thrones are already being usurped, so caving to propaganda serves them nothing.

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Charles Johnson  Dec 4, 2016 • 6:38:43pm

It’s not true that Flynn hyped the Pizzagate story, by the way. I removed his tweet from my article - it was about a different conspiracy theory.

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Belafon  Dec 4, 2016 • 6:38:56pm

re: #18 thedopefishlives

Let’s be fair, here: Supposedly, the Soviet Union was set up with a similar system. Yet they failed to launch on at least one occasion. I have about 50% confidence that some well-meaning American serviceman would fail to pull the trigger, should Drumpf issue an order to Minot to let the birds fly.

Imagine our government turning into the scene in Captain America: Civil War where they have to decide who to support.

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teleskiguy  Dec 4, 2016 • 6:39:15pm

re: #18 thedopefishlives

Let’s be fair, here: Supposedly, the Soviet Union was set up with a similar system. Yet they failed to launch on at least one occasion. I have about 50% confidence that some well-meaning American serviceman would fail to pull the trigger, should Drumpf issue an order to Minot to let the birds fly.

Didn’t Kubrick make a film about that?

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thedopefishlives  Dec 4, 2016 • 6:39:25pm

re: #21 Anymouse

I would not consider Mr. Johnson or others like Jim Wright mindless. They care about the truth.

Some media outlets care about the truth, such as Newsweek with Kurt Eichenwald, The Economist, and others, but they are being drowned in derp. Their thrones are already being usurped, so caving to propaganda serves them nothing.

Ah, you missed the sarcasm, I should have put the tags in. I find the blogosphere much more reliable than mainstream media, in all seriousness.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Dec 4, 2016 • 6:41:26pm

“Empassioned Trump voter”.

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Timothy Watson  Dec 4, 2016 • 6:41:40pm

I’ll save SMOTI the time:

Edgar Maddison Welch is listed at [full address redacted] and is affiliated with the Republican Party. He is a white male registered to vote in Rowan County, North Carolina.

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The fact that he was white is painfully obvious, any POC who discharged an assault rifle while also armed with another firearm would have been shot dead within 5 seconds of police responding.

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Anymouse  Dec 4, 2016 • 6:41:48pm

re: #18 thedopefishlives

Let’s be fair, here: Supposedly, the Soviet Union was set up with a similar system. Yet they failed to launch on at least one occasion. I have about 50% confidence that some well-meaning American serviceman would fail to pull the trigger, should Drumpf issue an order to Minot to let the birds fly.

I am surrounded by ICBM silos. FE Warren Air Force Base in Cheyenne is the command for those silos, but the orders go out to the individual silos, bombers, and submarines.

A fifty percent chance would mean only half of them would fail to comply with the order.

The way the nuclear armament of the nation is set up is only the President may authorise an attack. While military commands advise the President and the Pentagon on the status of the world, only the President has the authority to transmit those orders.

Fifty percent is not good.

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thedopefishlives  Dec 4, 2016 • 6:42:15pm

Kinda weird to think about, but 50 years ago, my town would probably be on DEFCON 1 at the current news, as a front-line anti-aircraft/anti-ICBM installation. The retirement of the Nike Hercules missile removed my town from the map of military installations.

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teleskiguy  Dec 4, 2016 • 6:43:14pm

re: #29 thedopefishlives

Kinda weird to think about, but 50 years ago, my town would probably be on DEFCON 1 at the current news, as a front-line anti-aircraft/anti-ABM installation. The retirement of the Nike Hercules missile removed my town from the map of military installations.

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thedopefishlives  Dec 4, 2016 • 6:46:36pm

re: #30 teleskiguy

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We would have fallen under the command of NORAD, as a facility on the intercept path between the American heartland and eastern Russia. The park in the center of town, the same that sports a deactivated Nike missile, details the history of our military installation and the tension that the town suffered at the hands of the Cold War.

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jaunte  Dec 4, 2016 • 6:49:37pm

re: #27 Timothy Watson

The fact that he was white is painfully obvious, any POC who discharged an assault rifle while also armed with another firearm would have been shot dead within 5 seconds of police responding.

Related media treatment:

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Myron Falwell (no relation)  Dec 4, 2016 • 6:49:41pm

re: #24 teleskiguy

Didn’t Kubrick make a film about that?

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 4, 2016 • 6:49:53pm

You kind of already know Trump will threaten to launch nukes on Twitter because he wants EVERYONE IN THE ENTIRE WORLD tuned in to his real life reality TV show AS IF THEIR LIVES DEPEND ON IT which they do.

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Anymouse  Dec 4, 2016 • 6:50:01pm

It might be a rather dystopian view, but if someone wants to go lobbing nuclear weapons around the world, I am happy I live where I do. I won’t have to survive the aftermath of a Mad Max world.

All my adult life I have lived in places that are targets for nuclear attack (Virginia Beach, Jacksonville, Charleston, Omaha, Chicago). There pretty much isn’t a place that is not a target or close to one.

At least with all the silos around me I know it won’t be a near miss and weeks of radiation sickness. Just lawn chairs and popcorn to watch the fireworks display.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 4, 2016 • 6:51:11pm

Guess which two DT tweets have disappeared?

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bratwurst  Dec 4, 2016 • 6:51:20pm

I long for a more innocent time when I didn’t even know “Pizzagate” existed…yesterday.

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thedopefishlives  Dec 4, 2016 • 6:52:23pm

re: #35 Anymouse

It might be a rather dystopian view, but if someone wants to go lobbing nuclear weapons around the world, I am happy I live where I do. I won’t have to survive the aftermath of a Mad Max world.

All my adult life I have lived in places that are targets for nuclear attack (Virginia Beach, Jacksonville, Charleston, Omaha, Chicago). There pretty much isn’t a place that is not a target or close to one.

At least with all the silos around me I know it won’t be a near miss and weeks of radiation sickness. Just lawn chairs and popcorn to watch the fireworks display.

Minneapolis is close enough that I’m pretty sure I would be a smoldering crater in the event of nuclear war. It’s not at the top of anybody’s target list, but it’s within range of enough nuclear powers and has enough population density and manufacturing/raw materials capacity to be worth dropping a single warhead on.

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Belafon  Dec 4, 2016 • 6:53:01pm

re: #32 jaunte

Someone does suggest that the pizza place may be who’s implied as the victim.

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Myron Falwell (no relation)  Dec 4, 2016 • 6:53:42pm

re: #35 Anymouse

It might be a rather dystopian view, but if someone wants to go lobbing nuclear weapons around the world, I am happy I live where I do. I won’t have to survive the aftermath of a Mad Max world.

All my adult life I have lived in places that are targets for nuclear attack (Virginia Beach, Jacksonville, Charleston, Omaha, Chicago). There pretty much isn’t a place that is not a target or close to one.

At least with all the silos around me I know it won’t be a near miss and weeks of radiation sickness. Just lawn chairs and popcorn to watch the fireworks display.

The Day After more or less showed Laurence, Kansas being turned into a smoldering crater, especially after the bombs flew.

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jaunte  Dec 4, 2016 • 6:54:19pm

Gun-brandishing man sought to investigate conspiracy theory, police say

“…Eyewitness Sharif Silmi was at the restaurant with his wife and three children — ages 7,9 and 12, when the suspect walked in.
“He walked right past us holding a shotgun, when we realized what was going on we gathered our young ones and started moving toward the exit,” Silmi told CNN. “It was very swift, quick exit, everybody moved out very smoothly.”
Silmi, who lives in Maryland, told CNN he and his family are Muslim and that he blamed those who were spreading “false rumors [about Comet Ping Pong] online. They put our children’s lives in danger today.”
cnn.com

Because of course you conduct a child-endangerment investigation by endangering children.

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Anymouse  Dec 4, 2016 • 6:54:42pm

re: #38 thedopefishlives

Minneapolis is close enough that I’m pretty sure I would be a smoldering crater in the event of nuclear war. It’s not at the top of anybody’s target list, but it’s within range of enough nuclear powers and has enough population density and manufacturing/raw materials capacity to be worth dropping a single warhead on.

Assuming there is a single nuke targeted on each silo here, that mean within fifty miles I get about fifty nukes. Say goodnight, Gracie.

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Timothy Watson  Dec 4, 2016 • 6:54:57pm

re: #35 Anymouse

It might be a rather dystopian view, but if someone wants to go lobbing nuclear weapons around the world, I am happy I live where I do. I won’t have to survive the aftermath of a Mad Max world.

All my adult life I have lived in places that are targets for nuclear attack (Virginia Beach, Jacksonville, Charleston, Omaha, Chicago). There pretty much isn’t a place that is not a target or close to one.

At least with all the silos around me I know it won’t be a near miss and weeks of radiation sickness. Just lawn chairs and popcorn to watch the fireworks display.

I am probably far enough south of D.C. to die a slow, painful death. Unless they decide to wipe out the local Army base (which doesn’t have that much stuff there).

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The Madness of King Orange (aka Sophist)  Dec 4, 2016 • 6:55:04pm

re: #39 Belafon

Someone does suggest that the pizza place may be who’s implied as the victim.

No, the man with the rifle is the subject of that sentence.

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 4, 2016 • 6:55:30pm
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thedopefishlives  Dec 4, 2016 • 6:55:40pm

re: #42 Anymouse

Assuming there is a single nuke targeted on each silo here, that mean within fifty miles I get about fifty nukes. Say goodnight, Gracie.

Yeah, at least Minot is far enough away that I don’t have to worry about getting lit up by the first-strike nukes. Now if we still had our anti-aircraft installation, then we would probably be doing the old school nuclear bombing drills every month.

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jaunte  Dec 4, 2016 • 6:55:42pm
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Targetpractice  Dec 4, 2016 • 6:56:17pm

re: #35 Anymouse

It might be a rather dystopian view, but if someone wants to go lobbing nuclear weapons around the world, I am happy I live where I do. I won’t have to survive the aftermath of a Mad Max world.

All my adult life I have lived in places that are targets for nuclear attack (Virginia Beach, Jacksonville, Charleston, Omaha, Chicago). There pretty much isn’t a place that is not a target or close to one.

At least with all the silos around me I know it won’t be a near miss and weeks of radiation sickness. Just lawn chairs and popcorn to watch the fireworks display.

I’m living in VB now and live close enough to NAS Oceana that anything bigger than a baby nuke means I’m going to have a very bad day. Between the blast wave, the fires, and the radiation, my chances of survival are between “WTF!?” and “OMFG!!!”

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makeitstop  Dec 4, 2016 • 6:59:34pm

re: #36 Backwoods_Sleuth

Guess which two DT tweets have disappeared?

Waaaaaaaaaaay too late.

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Myron Falwell (no relation)  Dec 4, 2016 • 7:00:01pm

re: #47 jaunte

NOOOOOOOOO!!! HOW IN THE HELL DID OLIVIA NUZZI GET MY PHONE NUMBER???
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thedopefishlives  Dec 4, 2016 • 7:00:09pm

re: #49 makeitstop

Waaaaaaaaaaay too late.

One can only hope that they thought to confiscate his phone, as well.

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jaunte  Dec 4, 2016 • 7:00:24pm
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Belafon  Dec 4, 2016 • 7:00:27pm

re: #48 Targetpractice

I’m living in VB now and live close enough to NAS Oceana that anything bigger than a baby nuke means I’m going to have a very bad day. Between the blast wave, the fires, and the radiation, my chances of survival are between “WTF!?” and “OMFG!!!”

Gotta love having talks that I stopped having after the Berlin wall fell. Add that to the list of things we thought we’d never have to do again.

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teleskiguy  Dec 4, 2016 • 7:00:44pm

re: #47 jaunte

Yeah, he’ll have a response on his radio show tomorrow, calling her all sorts of nasty names and a member of the globalist cabal that is intent on destroying everything righteous we know all around us.

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jaunte  Dec 4, 2016 • 7:01:54pm

Yeah, sure.

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thedopefishlives  Dec 4, 2016 • 7:02:39pm

re: #55 jaunte

Did he even stop to realize what happened in the Carrier deal? No, of course not… I’m still counting the days until Jones turns on Drumpf, though.

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Targetpractice  Dec 4, 2016 • 7:03:01pm

re: #55 jaunte

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Yeah, sure.

You know, if you just ignore those 1,300 jobs which are still going to Mexico. And the fact that there is nothing on paper saying Carrier can’t just move the other 800 in six months.

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A Cranky One  Dec 4, 2016 • 7:03:25pm

Heh!

Okay. We’ve finally reached the point. No need for civilization to continue. It’s reached its pinnacle.

“Hot glue” gun for cheese!

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Anymouse  Dec 4, 2016 • 7:03:51pm

re: #48 Targetpractice

I’m living in VB now and live close enough to NAS Oceana that anything bigger than a baby nuke means I’m going to have a very bad day. Between the blast wave, the fires, and the radiation, my chances of survival are between “WTF!?” and “OMFG!!!”

If you live near NAS Oceana (I spent a lot of my Navy career stationed there), you might want to consider changing your name here at LGF. /s

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Timothy Watson  Dec 4, 2016 • 7:03:51pm

For anyone curious, the guy apparently has an IMDB profile. Looks like production work on D-rate horror films:
imdb.com

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thedopefishlives  Dec 4, 2016 • 7:04:17pm

re: #59 Anymouse

If you live near NAS Oceana (I spent a lot of my Navy career stationed there), you might want to consider changing your name here at LGF. /s

DANGER CLOSE!

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teleskiguy  Dec 4, 2016 • 7:04:28pm

Sounds like an upstanding character.

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jaunte  Dec 4, 2016 • 7:04:56pm

re: #56 thedopefishlives

re: #57 Targetpractice

It’s that acute political and economic analysis his listeners have come to expect.

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Citizen K  Dec 4, 2016 • 7:05:17pm

Victim.

Victim.

Victim?! Fucking really, CBS? Even if you’re talking about him falling for a bullshit conspiracy, that’s not being a victim, that’s being a fucking willfully gullible dangerous lunatic.

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teleskiguy  Dec 4, 2016 • 7:07:10pm
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jaunte  Dec 4, 2016 • 7:07:57pm

We’re going to need a lot of parenthetical explainers in the next few years.

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Anymouse  Dec 4, 2016 • 7:08:08pm

re: #51 thedopefishlives

One can only hope that they thought to confiscate his phone, as well.

As has been noted in the past, when Mr. Trump makes some sort of egregious tweet or commentary on television, you should be looking for what he is trying direct your attention away from.

Could it be this awful socialism-for-business that is the Carrier deal, or something else?

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calochortus  Dec 4, 2016 • 7:08:24pm

re: #58 A Cranky One

Heh!

Okay. We’ve finally reached the point. No need for civilization to continue. It’s reached its pinnacle.

“Hot glue” gun for cheese!

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I’m pretty sure the quotes should be on “cheese” rather than “hot glue” gun. If they should be anywhere, which is a whole ‘nother question.

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jaunte  Dec 4, 2016 • 7:08:32pm

“Yet another fictitious conspiracy theory”

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teleskiguy  Dec 4, 2016 • 7:08:46pm

re: #62 teleskiguy

At least he stayed at the scene of the crash and waited for police.

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BeachDem  Dec 4, 2016 • 7:09:47pm

re: #32 jaunte

The fact that he was white is painfully obvious, any POC who discharged an assault rifle while also armed with another firearm would have been shot dead within 5 seconds of police responding.

Related media treatment:

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That CBS headline is in contention for worst bullshit of the year in my running tally. Not only was the guy a “victim” but they even wedged CLINTON into the headline. What a crock o’crap.

Edited to add: And note, he only “entered” the building—wonder how they would have described his actions had he been of a more melanin-rich shade.

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BlueSpotinAL  Dec 4, 2016 • 7:12:45pm

re: #42 Anymouse

Assuming there is a single nuke targeted on each silo here, that mean within fifty miles I get about fifty nukes. Say goodnight, Gracie.

“Goodnight, Gracie” - Gracie Allen

Couldn’t resist.

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Myron Falwell (no relation)  Dec 4, 2016 • 7:13:08pm

re: #71 BeachDem

That CBS headline is in contention for worst bullshit of the year in my running tally. Not only was the guy a “victim” but they even wedged CLINTON into the headline. What a crock o’crap.

The media is emerging as every bit the enemy here.

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teleskiguy  Dec 4, 2016 • 7:13:33pm

No wonder trust in big media outlets is at all time lows, they peddle bullshit like calling the terrorist at a DC pizzeria a “victim.”

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Anymouse  Dec 4, 2016 • 7:13:40pm

re: #71 BeachDem

“There’s no such thing as facts.” - Scottie Nell Hughes, Trump surrogate.

CBS is just following the lead of the minority not-yet President-elect.

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Belafon  Dec 4, 2016 • 7:13:50pm
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Targetpractice  Dec 4, 2016 • 7:13:56pm

White guy walked into pizza place to “investigate” fake news story allegations, the media portrays him as the victim.

Black people protest against the controversial death of a black man, media coverage is all about isolated incidents of violence and pictures of “angry black men.”

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Anymouse  Dec 4, 2016 • 7:15:27pm

re: #77 Targetpractice

White guy walked into pizza place to “investigate” fake news story allegations, the media portrays him as the victim.

Black people protest against the controversial death of a black man, media coverage is all about isolated incidents of violence and pictures of “angry black men.”

So when is CBS going to hire Alex Jones? They already have Cory Lewandowski.

They need to guarantee their access to the next President.

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Belafon  Dec 4, 2016 • 7:15:28pm

re: #69 jaunte

Yet another fictitious conspiracy theory”

YAFCOT.

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jaunte  Dec 4, 2016 • 7:16:02pm

re: #71 BeachDem

It’s a fake story, but let’s say “Clinton-trafficking.”

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Anymouse  Dec 4, 2016 • 7:16:34pm
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Single-handed sailor  Dec 4, 2016 • 7:17:50pm

These were the ground zeros in my neighborhood in 1964. Most of the military bases are now gone but the refineries still surround me, so I’m still in range of 3 targets.

1 MT ground blasts
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teleskiguy  Dec 4, 2016 • 7:18:46pm

Still resting in NZ.

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thedopefishlives  Dec 4, 2016 • 7:19:23pm

re: #82 Single-handed sailor

These were the ground zeros in my neighborhood in 1964. Most of the military bases are now gone but the refineries still surround me, so I’m still in range of 3 targets.

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In the 1960’s, the target was at the top of the hill behind my neighborhood. Of course, my neighborhood itself did not exist in the 1960’s; the town was a bare shell of itself, supporting the local Christian college and the military base.

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Charles Johnson  Dec 4, 2016 • 7:19:29pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 4, 2016 • 7:20:07pm

re: #81 Anymouse

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That story is actually about Anthony Weiner.

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Anymouse  Dec 4, 2016 • 7:20:17pm

re: #82 Single-handed sailor

These were the ground zeros in my neighborhood in 1964. Most of the military bases are now gone but the refineries still surround me, so I’m still in range of 3 targets.

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I wonder how I would find a map of the Nebraska Panhandle like that. (Wait, I know what the targets are: every bloody missile silo.)

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BeachDem  Dec 4, 2016 • 7:20:20pm

re: #80 jaunte

It’s a fake story, but let’s say “Clinton-trafficking.”

Yeah—let’s make sure we get the CLINTON name in the headline. Spit.

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Charles Johnson  Dec 4, 2016 • 7:20:57pm

re: #86 Backwoods_Sleuth

That story is actually about Anthony Weiner.

The “sex crimes” part is about Jeffrey Epstein.

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Anymouse  Dec 4, 2016 • 7:21:28pm

re: #89 Charles Johnson

The “sex crimes” part is about Jeffrey Epstein.

Still all part of the “Clinton Crime Syndicate.”

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Single-handed sailor  Dec 4, 2016 • 7:23:14pm

re: #87 Anymouse

I wonder how I would find a map of the Nebraska Panhandle like that. (Wait, I know what the targets are: every bloody missile silo.)

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Nuke Map

I just put in the military bases and oil refineries.

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jaunte  Dec 4, 2016 • 7:23:54pm
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Stanley Sea  Dec 4, 2016 • 7:25:44pm
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thedopefishlives  Dec 4, 2016 • 7:26:16pm

re: #91 Single-handed sailor

Nuke Map

I just put in the military bases and oil refineries.

Yeah, I put a pin down at the historical location of our AA missile battery. Not only is my neighborhood ash, but so is the entirety of my town, the nearby Christian college, and a significant (and probably completely unsuspecting) population center directly to our east.

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Charles Johnson  Dec 4, 2016 • 7:28:24pm
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JasonA  Dec 4, 2016 • 7:29:55pm

re: #95 Charles Johnson

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But she had an email server…

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Anymouse  Dec 4, 2016 • 7:30:47pm

re: #91 Single-handed sailor

Nuke Map

I just put in the military bases and oil refineries.

There are too many missile silos around here for me to do that in one evening.

90th Missile Squadron at FE Warren AFB in Cheyenne says the missiles are scattered around in such a way that each would have to be targeted individually.

Wikipedia has a map of all the silos in the area. We would be well and truly toast.

Image: 319th_Missile_Squadron_-_MAF_-_LC.png

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thedopefishlives  Dec 4, 2016 • 7:31:54pm

re: #97 Anymouse

There are too many missile silos around here for me to do that in one evening.

90th Missile Squadron at FE Warren AFB in Cheyenne says the missiles are scattered around in such a way that each would have to be targeted individually.

Wikipedia has a map of all the silos in the area. We would be well and truly toast.

Image: 319th_Missile_Squadron_-_MAF_-_LC.png

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Single-handed sailor  Dec 4, 2016 • 7:34:30pm

re: #97 Anymouse

There are too many missile silos around here for me to do that in one evening.

90th Missile Squadron at FE Warren AFB in Cheyenne says the missiles are scattered around in such a way that each would have to be targeted individually.

Wikipedia has a map of all the silos in the area. We would be well and truly toast.

Image: 319th_Missile_Squadron_-_MAF_-_LC.png

Each silo gets a MIRV.

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Anymouse  Dec 4, 2016 • 7:35:36pm

re: #98 thedopefishlives

I’m not sure how to create a map using the Wikipedia data of the area here (considering all the missile silos).

I’m guessing we’d just be a big smoking hole in the Sandhills.

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thedopefishlives  Dec 4, 2016 • 7:37:12pm

re: #100 Anymouse

I’m not sure how to create a map using the Wikipedia data of the area here (considering all the missile silos).

I’m guessing we’d just be a big smoking hole in the Sandhills.

Yeah, at least the Nike base was a single installation and would take a single warhead (while another probably would target the Mississippi River facilities). You guys, on the other hand, would just get carpet-bombed with nuclear warheads.

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Anymouse  Dec 4, 2016 • 7:38:17pm

re: #101 thedopefishlives

Yeah, at least the Nike base was a single installation and would take a single warhead (while another probably would target the Mississippi River facilities). You guys, on the other hand, would just get carpet-bombed with nuclear warheads.

Al Rex - Hydrogen Bomb

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Belafon  Dec 4, 2016 • 7:39:27pm
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electrotek  Dec 4, 2016 • 7:39:58pm
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jaunte  Dec 4, 2016 • 7:40:19pm

re: #103 Belafon

And that was pushed by the Wall Street Journal.

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We're Way Beyond Snark  Dec 4, 2016 • 7:40:52pm

Who wants to survive a nuclear exchange, anyway? (I’m assuming that in my SF Bay Area location, I’d be a toasted little crisp after the first few minutes.)

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Belafon  Dec 4, 2016 • 7:41:27pm
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thedopefishlives  Dec 4, 2016 • 7:41:56pm

re: #106 We’re Way Beyond Snark

Who wantsto survive a nuclear exchange, anyway? (I’m assuming that in my SF Bay Area location, I’d be a toasted little crisp after the first few minutes.)

I think I’m with Anymouse in that I’d rather set up my lawn chair and enjoy the last few minutes with my wife before the end of the world. In that respect, it’s kind of too bad that I live in the shadow of Minot AFB and am thus unlikely to be directly targeted by a nuke with any kind of range to directly affect me.

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Targetpractice  Dec 4, 2016 • 7:43:46pm

re: #107 Belafon

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Ah good, the return of “If you’ve done nothing wrong, you’ve got nothing to hide,” the argument that saw our civil rights trampled on again and again during the Bush years.

Funny how the wingnuts are so up in arms if you bring it up with regards to the vote recounts…

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jaunte  Dec 4, 2016 • 7:43:48pm

re: #107 Belafon

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Anymouse  Dec 4, 2016 • 7:44:23pm

re: #107 Belafon

Gen. Flynn fails basic logic (unsurprising): He who advances a claim provides evidence for a claim.

So-called Pizzagate as a claim is no more believable than unicorns.

This has been a cheery thread, so let me add Doris Day to the thread to cheer you up.

Doris Day - Tic, Tic, Tic

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calochortus  Dec 4, 2016 • 7:44:36pm

re: #106 We’re Way Beyond Snark

Who wants to survive a nuclear exchange, anyway? (I’m assuming that in my SF Bay Area location, I’d be a toasted little crisp after the first few minutes.)

That’s pretty much my thought. And has been since I was in Jr. High. If there is a nuclear war, the SF Peninsula will be pretty much gone.

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Anymouse  Dec 4, 2016 • 7:45:01pm

re: #109 Targetpractice

Ah good, the return of “If you’ve done nothing wrong, you’ve got nothing to hide,” the argument that saw our civil rights trampled on again and again during the Bush years.

Funny how the wingnuts are so up in arms if you bring it up with regards to the vote recounts…

… or registering guns …

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thedopefishlives  Dec 4, 2016 • 7:45:04pm

re: #111 Anymouse

Gen. Flynn fails basic logic (unsurprising): He who advances a claim provides evidence for a claim.

So-called Pizzagate as a claim is no more believable than unicorns.

This has been a cheery thread, so let me add Doris Day to the thread to cheer you up.

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Ah, come on. What’s not cheery about discussing plans for surviving the nuclear winter?////

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We're Way Beyond Snark  Dec 4, 2016 • 7:45:16pm

re: #108 thedopefishlives

I could climb onto my roof and get a great view before the flash/radiation did their toasted little crisp work.

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Charles Johnson  Dec 4, 2016 • 7:45:31pm
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calochortus  Dec 4, 2016 • 7:45:35pm

re: #107 Belafon

Shouldn’t he have a blue check mark somewhere?

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Targetpractice  Dec 4, 2016 • 7:45:38pm

re: #114 thedopefishlives

Ah, come on. What’s not cheery about discussing plans for surviving the nuclear winter?////

I got my heirloom seeds and gold coins ready.

///

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teleskiguy  Dec 4, 2016 • 7:45:40pm

As a cannabis consumer in a fully legal state, a Trump administration will affect me and my habits very soon.

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thedopefishlives  Dec 4, 2016 • 7:46:38pm

re: #115 We’re Way Beyond Snark

I could climb onto my roof and get a great view before the flash/radiation did their toasted little crisp work.

I’d have a great view, but it’d be on the horizon. Minneapolis to my east, Minot to my northwest.

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Anymouse  Dec 4, 2016 • 7:47:13pm

re: #114 thedopefishlives

Ah, come on. What’s not cheery about discussing plans for surviving the nuclear winter?////

So that’s why my wife bought me an Arctic parka when we were in Churchill this summer.

/s

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Targetpractice  Dec 4, 2016 • 7:48:04pm

Sending one out to the Fallout fans in the house…

Five Stars - Atom Bomb Baby

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teleskiguy  Dec 4, 2016 • 7:49:24pm
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Anymouse  Dec 4, 2016 • 7:49:33pm

re: #117 calochortus

Shouldn’t he have a blue check mark somewhere?

Yes. The real General Flynn account has a check.

For example:

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Stanley Sea  Dec 4, 2016 • 7:49:39pm

OT but super interesting read w/more info


Yup, the guards were fired. And the suspect is meeting up with my Mom to do some laundering!

He is believed to have since fled to Orlando, Fla., Detective Pastor said.

The unusual theft raises many questions. For one: Was it an inside job?

“Absolutely not,” Mr. Harrington said. The two Loomis guards working that day, who have since been fired, “cooperated 100 percent” with investigators and have no links to the suspect, he said.

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Belafon  Dec 4, 2016 • 7:50:01pm

re: #124 Anymouse

Yes. The real General Flynn account has a check.

For example:

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The tweet’s from his son, not him.

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calochortus  Dec 4, 2016 • 7:51:55pm

re: #126 Belafon

The tweets from his son, not him.

Then that’s my fault. Even so, how do we know it’s actually his son?

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Myron Falwell (no relation)  Dec 4, 2016 • 7:52:41pm

re: #107 Belafon

Just realized that Flynn Jr. subtweeted the infamous “Jack Posobiec” …

I can’t even.

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jaunte  Dec 4, 2016 • 7:53:42pm

Some more detail about what Trump is playing with.

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Sherlock Hound  Dec 4, 2016 • 7:53:57pm

re: #114 thedopefishlives

Ah, come on. What’s not cheery about discussing plans for surviving the nuclear winter?////

HUR HUR GLOBAL WARMING! CHEXMIX, LIBTARDS!
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Targetpractice  Dec 4, 2016 • 7:54:45pm

re: #129 jaunte

Some more detail about what Trump is playing with.

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The sort of situation that is one itchy trigger finger away from becoming a shooting war.

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Anymouse  Dec 4, 2016 • 7:55:19pm
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jaunte  Dec 4, 2016 • 7:57:29pm

Radar pinging.

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Belafon  Dec 4, 2016 • 7:57:41pm

If he does get impeached, we may need to rethink the gap between the election and the swearing in.

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Anymouse  Dec 4, 2016 • 8:01:07pm

You get your facts wherever you can find them:

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 4, 2016 • 8:01:11pm

re: #133 jaunte

Radar pinging.

watching…

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jaunte  Dec 4, 2016 • 8:02:33pm
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Jenner7  Dec 4, 2016 • 8:05:23pm

I live about 10 min from where this is. It started at a Walmart, ended at a movie theater. One woman dead, suspect dead.

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Belafon  Dec 4, 2016 • 8:05:36pm

re: #137 jaunte

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As compared to, say, bribing Carrier?

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Stanley Sea  Dec 4, 2016 • 8:07:09pm

re: #139 Belafon

As compared to, say, bribing Carrier?

Seriously.

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jaunte  Dec 4, 2016 • 8:10:34pm
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jaunte  Dec 4, 2016 • 8:11:10pm

It’s false flags all the way down.

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Myron Falwell (no relation)  Dec 4, 2016 • 8:11:28pm

re: #137 jaunte

Evil Eddie Munster can go f— himself.

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Belafon  Dec 4, 2016 • 8:12:00pm

re: #142 jaunte

It’s false flags all the way down.

All false flags are false flags.

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makeitstop  Dec 4, 2016 • 8:12:35pm

Comment of the Day from Facebook.

An intelligence briefing isn’t going to make a dent anyway. He needs an intelligence transplant.

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jaunte  Dec 4, 2016 • 8:12:47pm

re: #143 Myron Falwell (no relation)

“This is big-government decision-making at its worst.”
And yet, I see no one died. Odd.

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Targetpractice  Dec 4, 2016 • 8:13:03pm

re: #137 jaunte

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“Anti-energy” is any policy that doesn’t allow energy companies to socialize the damage of the policies they use to reap ever larger profits.

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jaunte  Dec 4, 2016 • 8:14:16pm

We blew trillions in the Mideast after 9/11, but re-routing a pipeline is the WORST.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Dec 4, 2016 • 8:14:41pm

re: #138 Jenner7

Sigh. Looks like an ex/estranged bf thing to me. :(

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Belafon  Dec 4, 2016 • 8:15:14pm

It will be interesting, but I think Trump is starting to wake something in the media:

Brian Stelter:

Let’s tell some truths about lying, because the way Donald Trump lies has people rethinking some of the basic premises of journalism, like the assumption that everything a president says is automatically news. When President-elect Trump lies so casually, so cynically, the news isn’t so much the false thing he said, it’s that he felt like he could just go ahead and say it, go ahead and lie to you. That’s the story. […]

Court cases involving Trump have shown that he lies even when the truth is really easy to discern. And that’s what we’re seeing all again now. That’s why I think fact-checking is important, but the framing of these stories is even more important.

Take Trump’s promotion of this voter fraud conspiracy idea. He said on Twitter “I won the popular vote if you deduct the millions of people who voted illegally.” The journalistic impulse was to say something like “Trump claims he won the popular vote.” I would suggest to you that better framing is “Trump lies again, embracing a far-right-wing conspiracy theory.”

See, focusing on the falsehood creates more confusion and gives the lie even more life. And that’s the wrong way to go. Focusing on Trump’s tendency to buy into BS gets to what’s really going on here. This calls for more reporting and for reporters to show our work, to show that we actually know the truth.

And that’s also a good starting point for us. When we see a lie, not only call it a lie, but ask why Trump feels the need to lie. I’m pretty sure you’ll take some heat for it, but it gets the discussion on the real topic.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Dec 4, 2016 • 8:17:05pm

re: #137 jaunte

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Myron Falwell (no relation)  Dec 4, 2016 • 8:23:06pm

Paul Ryan needs to save all this whining for when Trump and his cronies start screwing the House GOP over and over.

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E Deploribus Unum  Dec 4, 2016 • 8:24:22pm

I’ve been lurking here for many years, never posted.
I must say, it’s a little bit sad to observe you all just losing your minds over the results of this election.
Maybe just chill out a little and stop throwing shade at anyone you disagree with and who doesn’t see the world in exactly the same way that you do.
I’ve been married to my sweetheart, a legal immigrant from Iraq, for 19 years now. We have two amazing kids. We’re both PRO legal immigration. I’m part Choctaw Indian.
We live in California. We work hard, pay our bills, our taxes and try to live a decent, honest life.
We both voted for Trump.
Gasp! We must be racist rednecks then right? We are if you read this blog. But wait, that doesn’t add up does it? My Grandfather (God rest his soul) parachuted into the south of France and took a piece of shrapnel from a German 88mm shell that exploded in the tree above him while he was digging a foxhole during the Battle of the Bulge. I hate Nazis, or National Socialists, and I’m sick and tired of being labeled one by people like you who are so filled with hate (apparently) that you can’t see past the leftist rhetoric that I read here on a daily basis. Anyway, we are all Americans here and we’re all gonna be just fine. Let’s just maybe start talking to each other instead of at each other for a while.
But then again, what do I know right? I’m just a stupid Trump supporter. Peace.

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jaunte  Dec 4, 2016 • 8:25:18pm

re: #153 E Deploribus Unum

Why did you vote for Trump?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 4, 2016 • 8:25:26pm

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Lidane  Dec 4, 2016 • 8:26:16pm

I had no idea what the fuck Pizzagate was until just now and I wish I didn’t know now.

Trump’s administration is going to be a 4-year episode of The Apprentice, D.C. Edition while he distracts the stupid with fake stories like this and gets them to lash out and get violent.

It’s going to be a loooooooooooooong four years.

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Targetpractice  Dec 4, 2016 • 8:26:23pm

re: #150 Belafon

It will be interesting, but I think Trump is starting to wake something in the media:

Brian Stelter:

And that’s also a good starting point for us. When we see a lie, not only call it a lie, but ask why Trump feels the need to lie. I’m pretty sure you’ll take some heat for it, but it gets the discussion on the real topic.

The thing is, we’ve seen moments like this where the media seemed to have a flash of realization and began to call out Trump. But then he or one of his minions made disagreeable noises about how the media are all a bunch of “liars” and the flash dims back into the dull light of “both sides.” The media’s instinct for years has been that if you’re not the first one to be talking about a story, then you’re losing readers to somebody else. So every time Trump spews one of these conspiracy theories, instead of taking a moment to analyze, the media just rushes forward with “Trump says” headlines and then plays CYA after people have already bought into the CT.

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Joe Bacon  Dec 4, 2016 • 8:26:31pm

re: #153 E Deploribus Unum

Alex Jones, is that you again????

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BeachDem  Dec 4, 2016 • 8:26:33pm

re: #107 Belafon

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Still would like to know what sewer this Jack Posobiec crawled out of—cannot find any historical info on him (claims to be a former CBS news something or other etc., but other than him being in the heat of every twitter conspiracy, can’t find any background on the asshole.

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teleskiguy  Dec 4, 2016 • 8:27:09pm

re: #154 jaunte

Why did you vote for Trump?

Yes, Mr. E Deploribus Unum, enlighten us.

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Belafon  Dec 4, 2016 • 8:28:38pm

re: #153 E Deploribus Unum

Yeah, whatever. My grandfather and his brothers all fought in WW2, and were racist. I’ve seen men who were upstanding, run into a burning building to save a kitten types be racist. I’ve also seen people vote for a guy who is going to screw them over big time, like the woman who lost her home to Mnuchin, who is going to be treasury secretary.

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jaunte  Dec 4, 2016 • 8:28:49pm

We’re a long way from the Checkers speech.

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austin_blue  Dec 4, 2016 • 8:29:40pm

re: #62 teleskiguy

Sounds like an upstanding character.

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“You’ve got to remember that these are just useful idiots. These are people of the land. The common clay of the Trump base. You know… morons.”

Modified for clarity and relevance.

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Targetpractice  Dec 4, 2016 • 8:29:53pm

re: #153 E Deploribus Unum

So you’re not a racist, but you condone racism. What is the operative difference?

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Lidane  Dec 4, 2016 • 8:30:06pm

re: #153 E Deploribus Unum

TL;DR

Do you have anything useful to say or is this just more Trump voter whining? I got my fill of that at Thanksgiving. No thanks.

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jaunte  Dec 4, 2016 • 8:31:44pm

re: #164 Targetpractice

So you’re not a racist, but you condone racism. What is the operative difference?

And don’t forget condoning the corruption. By which Republicans are purportedly disgusted.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 4, 2016 • 8:32:04pm

so adorable….

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teleskiguy  Dec 4, 2016 • 8:32:05pm

My grandfather was in the Air Force during WWII, participated in bombing campaigns in France, Belgium, and Germany. Awarded the Distinguished Flying Cross.

He was racist as all hell and probably would have voted for Trump if he were still alive (died 1999, RIP). That doesn’t make it right.

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jaunte  Dec 4, 2016 • 8:32:06pm

Government corruption.

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Jenner7  Dec 4, 2016 • 8:34:05pm

Update: Woman called from a Costco, said someone was shooting at her. They found her car and body at WalMart. They chased the suspect to a movie theater, where he either was shot by cops or self inflicted wound.

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blueraven  Dec 4, 2016 • 8:34:21pm

re: #153 E Deploribus Unum

OMG. How about you practice what you preach.

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E Deploribus Unum  Dec 4, 2016 • 8:34:41pm

re: #154 jaunte

Because we liked his straight talk about the issues that we care about. Protecting our borders, growing the economy, enforcing the laws of our country, respecting our LEOs and military, etc. My wife, who is a lifetime Democrat was fed up with what she saw as an endless stream of the Clinton’s lies and corruption. We both viewed Trump as a strong, albeit flawed leader.

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E Deploribus Unum  Dec 4, 2016 • 8:35:27pm

re: #158 Joe Bacon

See what I mean?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 4, 2016 • 8:35:29pm

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Jenner7  Dec 4, 2016 • 8:35:49pm

re: #153 E Deploribus Unum

Yep, you’re a racist.

Peace.

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Anymouse  Dec 4, 2016 • 8:35:56pm

re: #153 E Deploribus Unum

I’ve been lurking here for many years, never posted.
I must say, it’s a little bit sad to observe you all just losing your minds over the results of this election.
Maybe just chill out a little and stop throwing shade at anyone you disagree with and who doesn’t see the world in exactly the same way that you do.
I’ve been married to my sweetheart, a legal immigrant from Iraq, for 19 years now. We have two amazing kids. We’re both PRO legal immigration. I’m part Choctaw Indian.
We live in California. We work hard, pay our bills, our taxes and try to live a decent, honest life.
We both voted for Trump.
Gasp! We must be racist rednecks then right? We are if you read this blog. But wait, that doesn’t add up does it? My Grandfather (God rest his soul) parachuted into the south of France and took a piece of shrapnel from a German 88mm shell that exploded in the tree above him while he was digging a foxhole during the Battle of the Bulge. I hate Nazis, or National Socialists, and I’m sick and tired of being labeled one by people like you who are so filled with hate (apparently) that you can’t see past the leftist rhetoric that I read here on a daily basis. Anyway, we are all Americans here and we’re all gonna be just fine. Let’s just maybe start talking to each other instead of at each other for a while.
But then again, what do I know right? I’m just a stupid Trump supporter. Peace.

Trump supporters are flying Nazi flags around my area. Dixie Swastikas are flying all over Western Nebraska, but I am sure none of that has anything to do with racism.

Nazis and the Klan, Richard Spencer and Steve Bannon all endorsed Mr. Trump. When someone shows you who they are believe them the first time.

His campaign manager in New York called all Gold Star Families terrorism supporters because we spoke out against Mr. Trump’s treatment of Ghazala Khan’s right to free speech. Mr. Trump pens the media and encourages his supporters to shout “lugenpresse” at them.

A supporter of a Nazi is a Nazi. My family members died fighting fascists and Nazis. You are just arguing you are one of the “good Germans.”

Hitler did good things (for example, encouraging the building of the Autobahn network). That does not relieve him of the horrors he inflicted on Europe.

He is using his position to further his business interests, so far with India, with Argentina, and with Taiwan. He is not acting in the interest of the nation, he is acting in the interest of himself.

You don’t get out of saying “I’m not a Nazi” if you went forth and supported a Nazi. Sorry. My grandfather fought and died to defend the world from Nazis and uphold our Constitution, even though he was a refugee from Nazi evil.

Bye.

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Targetpractice  Dec 4, 2016 • 8:36:03pm

re: #172 E Deploribus Unum

Then you got rolled like the rest of the rubes.

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jaunte  Dec 4, 2016 • 8:36:29pm

re: #172 E Deploribus Unum

Have you read David Cay Johnston’s book about Trump?

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Unshaken Defiance  Dec 4, 2016 • 8:36:42pm

Grasshopper Chillin

Front yard earlier today.

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Charles Johnson  Dec 4, 2016 • 8:37:11pm
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teleskiguy  Dec 4, 2016 • 8:37:43pm

re: #172 E Deploribus Unum

You’re either a complete rube or embody Trump’s worst ways in some way shape or form.

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Sherlock Hound  Dec 4, 2016 • 8:38:08pm

re: #172 E Deploribus Unum

Because we liked his straight talk about the issues that we care about. Protecting our borders, growing the economy, enforcing the laws of our country, respecting our LEOs and military, etc. My wife, who is a lifetime Democrat was fed up with what she saw as an endless stream of the Clinton’s lies and corruption. We both viewed Trump as a strong, albeit flawed leader.

Toddlers are strong, as any parent knows. But we don’t give them a gun to play with. Trump’s a child. What he can’t do, WILL be done by his cronies in secret. OK?

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Targetpractice  Dec 4, 2016 • 8:38:16pm

There’s always amusement to be had in watching a conman’s marks try to insist that they weren’t conned.

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jaunte  Dec 4, 2016 • 8:39:28pm
In 2016, Johnston released The Making of Donald Trump, a journalistic account of the rise of businessperson-turned-presidential candidate Donald J. Trump, with Melville House Publishing.[13] At the time he wrote the book, Johnston had known Trump for 28 years. The book soon became a New York Times bestseller.
en.wikipedia.org

Well researched and comprehensive, it will let all of us know what kind of man was just elected president.

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Charles Johnson  Dec 4, 2016 • 8:39:30pm

What’s that smell?

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Targetpractice  Dec 4, 2016 • 8:40:09pm

re: #185 Charles Johnson

What’s that smell?

I skipped my shower today. Didn’t think anybody would notice.

//

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 4, 2016 • 8:40:18pm

time to drag out the grill…

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Lidane  Dec 4, 2016 • 8:40:22pm

re: #185 Charles Johnson

What’s that smell?

Troll. A particularly stinky one.

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Jenner7  Dec 4, 2016 • 8:40:26pm

There is no talking to Trump supporters. None. The are truly deplorable.

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Jenner7  Dec 4, 2016 • 8:40:41pm

And if that’s not nice, I. DON’T. CARE.

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wheat-dogg  Dec 4, 2016 • 8:40:50pm

re: #29 thedopefishlives

Kinda weird to think about, but 50 years ago, my town would probably be on DEFCON 1 at the current news, as a front-line anti-aircraft/anti-ICBM installation. The retirement of the Nike Hercules missile removed my town from the map of military installations.

My school for first grade (1962-1963) was right next to a Nike missile base. I think it was abandoned at the time. Not that it would made much difference — it probably still would have been a target for incoming ICBMs.

I’d prefer not to re-live those fears of imminent nuclear destruction, tyvm.

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jaunte  Dec 4, 2016 • 8:41:05pm

Buy it via Charles’ Amazon link:

amazon.com

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Timothy Watson  Dec 4, 2016 • 8:41:31pm

re: #180 Charles Johnson

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No chance Sam Hyde is playing with Poe’s Law?

Because invoking the similarities with the “Satanic ritual abuse” of the ’80s and early ’90s seems to be mocking to me.

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Stanley Sea  Dec 4, 2016 • 8:42:16pm

re: #180 Charles Johnson

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Too fucking much.

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BeachDem  Dec 4, 2016 • 8:42:32pm

re: #150 Belafon

It will be interesting, but I think Trump is starting to wake something in the media:

Brian Stelter:

And that’s also a good starting point for us. When we see a lie, not only call it a lie, but ask why Trump feels the need to lie. I’m pretty sure you’ll take some heat for it, but it gets the discussion on the real topic.

could someone forward Stelter’s article to the headline writers at ABC, CBS, (his own network CNN), etc.

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jaunte  Dec 4, 2016 • 8:42:36pm

Hey, it’s trademarked!

E Deploribus Unum­™

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Anymouse  Dec 4, 2016 • 8:43:08pm

re: #191 wheat-dogg

My school for first grade (1962-1963) was right next to a Nike missile base. I think it was abandoned at the time. Not that it would made much difference — it probably still would have been a target for incoming ICBMs.

I’d prefer not to re-live those fears of imminent nuclear destruction, tyvm.

I’m not afraid despite the hundreds of missiles around me. Just put on my swimming trunks and go to the Sandhills (the inland beach) because it will be a warm day. /s

Actually, my wife wants to sit out in the backyard with popcorn and watch big giant Minuteman III Roman candles go up.

I would prefer they wait until after the total eclipse here next year though.

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E Deploribus Unum  Dec 4, 2016 • 8:43:15pm

re: #189 Jenner7

I’m sorry you feel that way. I’m not a troll, I really don’t even know what that means.

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blueraven  Dec 4, 2016 • 8:43:38pm

re: #185 Charles Johnson

What’s that smell?

Mendacity tinged with quite a bit of hypocrisy and arrogance. A noxious mixture.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 4, 2016 • 8:43:51pm

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Targetpractice  Dec 4, 2016 • 8:44:11pm

So a long-time lurker who has all his “uber liberal” merit badges registers two days ago and his first post is a whine about how mean we are to people like him for engaging in a conservative action (voting Republican, supporting Republican demagogue, etc) and how wrong we are for doing so.

Never has that happened at this blog before.///////

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Stanley Sea  Dec 4, 2016 • 8:44:47pm

re: #196 jaunte

Hey, it’s trademarked!

E Deploribus Unum­™
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Ah, so an islamophobe.

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Timothy Watson  Dec 4, 2016 • 8:45:15pm

What happened to the cat picture with the turfy hair?

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Dec 4, 2016 • 8:45:35pm

re: #153 E Deploribus Unum

I’ve been lurking here for many years, never posted.
I must say, it’s a little bit sad to observe you all just losing your minds over the results of this election.
Maybe just chill out a little and stop throwing shade at anyone you disagree with and who doesn’t see the world in exactly the same way that you do.
I’ve been married to my sweetheart, a legal immigrant from Iraq, for 19 years now. We have two amazing kids. We’re both PRO legal immigration. I’m part Choctaw Indian.
We live in California. We work hard, pay our bills, our taxes and try to live a decent, honest life.
We both voted for Trump.
Gasp! We must be racist rednecks then right? We are if you read this blog. But wait, that doesn’t add up does it? My Grandfather (God rest his soul) parachuted into the south of France and took a piece of shrapnel from a German 88mm shell that exploded in the tree above him while he was digging a foxhole during the Battle of the Bulge. I hate Nazis, or National Socialists, and I’m sick and tired of being labeled one by people like you who are so filled with hate (apparently) that you can’t see past the leftist rhetoric that I read here on a daily basis. Anyway, we are all Americans here and we’re all gonna be just fine. Let’s just maybe start talking to each other instead of at each other for a while.
But then again, what do I know right? I’m just a stupid Trump supporter. Peace.

i would be very happy to hear you explain why, and, even more, what specific things you are hoping trump will do that will make america a better place

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austin_blue  Dec 4, 2016 • 8:46:08pm

re: #153 E Deploribus Unum

I’ve been lurking here for many years, never posted.
I must say, it’s a little bit sad to observe you all just losing your minds over the results of this election.
Maybe just chill out a little and stop throwing shade at anyone you disagree with and who doesn’t see the world in exactly the same way that you do.
I’ve been married to my sweetheart, a legal immigrant from Iraq, for 19 years now. We have two amazing kids. We’re both PRO legal immigration. I’m part Choctaw Indian.
We live in California. We work hard, pay our bills, our taxes and try to live a decent, honest life.
We both voted for Trump.
Gasp! We must be racist rednecks then right? We are if you read this blog. But wait, that doesn’t add up does it? My Grandfather (God rest his soul) parachuted into the south of France and took a piece of shrapnel from a German 88mm shell that exploded in the tree above him while he was digging a foxhole during the Battle of the Bulge. I hate Nazis, or National Socialists, and I’m sick and tired of being labeled one by people like you who are so filled with hate (apparently) that you can’t see past the leftist rhetoric that I read here on a daily basis. Anyway, we are all Americans here and we’re all gonna be just fine. Let’s just maybe start talking to each other instead of at each other for a while.
But then again, what do I know right? I’m just a stupid Trump supporter. Peace.

Ooh! A Concern Troll! Haven’t seen one of them recently while I’ve been reading a thread.

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retired cynic  Dec 4, 2016 • 8:46:45pm

After seeing that Twitter feed, and hearing that he doesn’t even know what “troll” means, I think I smell gamey buttocks.

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Timothy Watson  Dec 4, 2016 • 8:47:07pm

re: #205 austin_blue

Ooh! A Concern Troll! Haven’t seen one of them recently while I’ve been reading a thread.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Dec 4, 2016 • 8:47:37pm

“straight talk”

Yeah. Sorry but I don’t believe one single detail of his story. All so convenient.

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Stanley Sea  Dec 4, 2016 • 8:48:16pm

re: #204 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

i would be very happy to hear you explain why, and, even more, what specific things you are hoping trump will do that will make america a better place

Deport Muslims.

One trademarked hate issue. Making $ off of hate.

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jaunte  Dec 4, 2016 • 8:48:33pm

re: #202 Stanley Sea

Ah, so an islamophobe.

Don’t know if it’s the same person, but what a clever nickname, right?
Very entrepreneurial.

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E Deploribus Unum  Dec 4, 2016 • 8:48:51pm

re: #201 Targetpractice

What do you want me to say? I’ve been reading this blog off and on for many years. My buddy Bill turned me on to it back when we would go have a drink after work to talk politics and listen to classic Elton John on the jukebox. I’m just a regular dude. I have a job, I play a little guitar and I love to go hiking with my kids. I’m just tired of all the finger pointing and name calling. I’m not crying, I can take it. You can ridicule me all you like if it makes you feel better..

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Stanley Sea  Dec 4, 2016 • 8:48:57pm

re: #210 jaunte

Don’t know if it’s the same person, but what a clever nickname, right?
Very entrepreneurial.

Silence so….

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BeachDem  Dec 4, 2016 • 8:49:03pm

re: #177 Targetpractice

Then you got rolled like the rest of the rubes.

Stupid or hateful or both.
The end.

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jaunte  Dec 4, 2016 • 8:49:57pm

re: #211 E Deploribus Unum

You should read Johnston’s book.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Dec 4, 2016 • 8:50:31pm

“Bill”!

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E Deploribus Unum  Dec 4, 2016 • 8:50:58pm

re: #206 retired cynic

That’s not my twitter feed. I’m not even on twitter. I made up the name and thought it was clever. Apparently it wasn’t all that original :/

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teleskiguy  Dec 4, 2016 • 8:51:24pm

re: #198 E Deploribus Unum

I’m sorry you feel that way. I’m not a troll, I really don’t even know what that means.

Uh, who said “troll” in this exchange?

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Charles Johnson  Dec 4, 2016 • 8:51:26pm

re: #193 Timothy Watson

No chance Sam Hyde is playing with Poe’s Law?

Because invoking the similarities with the “Satanic ritual abuse” of the ’80s and early ’90s seems to be mocking to me.

“Sam Hyde” is the name used by 4chan trolls when they want to spread false stories.

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Sherlock Hound  Dec 4, 2016 • 8:52:36pm

re: #211 E Deploribus Unum

If you’ve been lurking, you should know what Charles is about. He’s held his current politics for a long time in Internet terms. Do the lurkers support you in email?

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retired cynic  Dec 4, 2016 • 8:52:37pm

re: #216 E Deploribus Unum

That’s not my twitter feed. I’m not even on twitter. I made up the name and thought it was clever. Apparently it wasn’t all that original :/

If I am wrong, I apologize.

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Lidane  Dec 4, 2016 • 8:52:59pm

re: #211 E Deploribus Unum

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stpaulbear  Dec 4, 2016 • 8:53:39pm

Adam Silverman at Balloon Juice has a piece on security relations that ends with a 95 minute BBC Documentary about the Able Archer 1983 The Brink of Apocalypse were we just about wound up in a nuclear war. I shouldn’t have watched it before going to bed. The synth-pop soundtrack is cool but it doesn’t make it suck any less.

Able Archer 1983 The Brink of Apocalypse

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blueraven  Dec 4, 2016 • 8:53:45pm

re: #211 E Deploribus Unum

What do you want me to say? I’ve been reading this blog off and on for many years. My buddy Bill turned me on to it back when we would go have a drink after work to talk politics and listen to classic Elton John on the jukebox. I’m just a regular dude. I have a job, I play a little guitar and I love to go hiking with my kids. I’m just tired of all the finger pointing and name calling. I’m not crying, I can take it. You can ridicule me all you like if it makes you feel better..

Yet you come here and start off with an attack…pointing fingers.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 4, 2016 • 8:54:00pm
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E Deploribus Unum  Dec 4, 2016 • 8:54:10pm

re: #220 retired cynic

You are wrong, but no need to apologize my friend.

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jaunte  Dec 4, 2016 • 8:54:31pm
“…When Fred Sr. died, Freddy’s children sued, claiming that the will “had been ‘procured by fraud and undue influence’ by Donald and the other surviving siblings,” according to Johnston.

Johnston writes that medical insurance had consistently been provided to the family through Fred Sr.’s company. This coverage was crucial for Freddy’s grandson (Donald’s grandnephew), who suffered from seizures and later developed cerebral palsy. So crucial, in fact, that a letter sent from a Trump lawyer to the insurer after the patriarch’s death in 1999 said that “all costs” for the sick child’s care should be covered, regardless of caps on the plan or medical necessity, according to Johnston. That didn’t last long.

A week after the lawsuit was filed in court, Freddy’s son (Donald’s nephew) received a letter informing him that the health insurance would be discontinued, meaning his ill son would be left without coverage. Donald openly admitted to the New York Daily News that he and his siblings took this action out of revenge.

“Why should we give him medical coverage?” Trump said, adding, “They sued my father, essentially. I’m not thrilled when someone sues my father.”

motherjones.com

He’s a very strong man, denying a sick child medical care.
Who wouldn’t respect a person for voting for a man like that?

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E Deploribus Unum  Dec 4, 2016 • 8:54:37pm

re: #223 blueraven

How did I attack anyone?

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Pawn of the Oppressor  Dec 4, 2016 • 8:54:37pm

re: #153 E Deploribus Unum

Your boy is about 30% supported by actual fucking Nazis and white supremacists, and plays dog-whistle politics to the absolute worst instincts of the human race on a regular basis. I watched on video as his security chief TWICE, on two different occasions, committed battery, at least once with the specific intent of starting a fight in a crowd of already-angry people. That’s before we even get to his entanglements with the Russians. The guy owes favors to the fucking Russian security apparatus, and that’s somehow OK with you. So, frankly, you’re pissing on your ancestor’s service voting for this guy. Don’t talk about patriotism. Just don’t.

Like the Republicans used to say about Bill Clinton - “character counts”. Trump’s character is shit, and it’s been shit for most of his adult life, amply testified to by pretty much everybody who’s come in contact with him.

Trump support boils down to “he’s the asshole I wish I could be”. This would be fine, except what he does affects people who aren’t as foolish as you.

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Charles Johnson  Dec 4, 2016 • 8:54:50pm
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Jenner7  Dec 4, 2016 • 8:55:05pm

There are dozens of things Donald Trump has said and done that are far more reprehensible than this site being meanies to Trump voters.

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Targetpractice  Dec 4, 2016 • 8:55:58pm

re: #211 E Deploribus Unum

You’ve been reading this blog for years off-and-on and the hostility towards Trump supporters is new to you? Well shit, son, I got news for ya. Whatever reasons you voted for Trump, however legitimate you may believe that they are, you’re rubbing shoulders with the Stormfront crowd. You voted for a guy who gave David Duke a stiffy that lasted way longer than four hours. You can tell yourself whatever you like to assuage yourself, but you voted for a racist alongside other racists. At this point, you’re arguing that you’re a “Good German,” which is never a good spot to be in.

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austin_blue  Dec 4, 2016 • 8:56:11pm

re: #211 E Deploribus Unum

What do you want me to say? I’ve been reading this blog off and on for many years. My buddy Bill turned me on to it back when we would go have a drink after work to talk politics and listen to classic Elton John on the jukebox. I’m just a regular dude. I have a job, I play a little guitar and I love to go hiking with my kids. I’m just tired of all the finger pointing and name calling. I’m not crying, I can take it. You can ridicule me all you like if it makes you feel better..

You support a man who embodies nothing that makes America great. He is selfish, narcissistic, willfully ignorant, and a useful idiot to Vlad Putin, If that is too much for you to grasp, just go outside and yell “Maga! Maga!” at the top of your lungs to reinforce your horrid attitude toward the rest of the polity that beat Trump by over two million votes because they saw a clear and present danger in his candidacy.

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Charles Johnson  Dec 4, 2016 • 8:56:13pm

re: #201 Targetpractice

So a long-time lurker who has all his “uber liberal” merit badges registers two days ago and his first post is a whine about how mean we are to people like him for engaging in a conservative action (voting Republican, supporting Republican demagogue, etc) and how wrong we are for doing so.

Never has that happened at this blog before.///////

NEVAR.

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E Deploribus Unum  Dec 4, 2016 • 8:56:20pm

re: #228 Pawn of the Oppressor

Geez dude.

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Stanley Sea  Dec 4, 2016 • 8:56:34pm

re: #226 jaunte

He’s a very strong man, denying a sick child medical care.
Who wouldn’t respect a person for voting for a man like that?

Trumpers don’t believe the stories right in front of their faces.

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jaunte  Dec 4, 2016 • 8:57:46pm

re: #235 Stanley Sea

Trumpers don’t believe the stories right in front of their faces.

So, nasty misanthropes, or credulous idiots? Why not both.

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Sherlock Hound  Dec 4, 2016 • 8:58:08pm

re: #229 Charles Johnson

A nice man. I’d like to commit an act culminating with his rifle being “accidentally” discharged in his ass.

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E Deploribus Unum  Dec 4, 2016 • 8:58:10pm

re: #231 Targetpractice

I guess I should have known this would be the response here, sheesh.

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teleskiguy  Dec 4, 2016 • 8:58:13pm

re: #229 Charles Johnson

Yup, a meathead good ol’ boy from North Carolina who loves his semi-auto long rifle. Color me surprised.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 4, 2016 • 8:58:44pm

LOLOLOLOL!

Oh, the grill is almost ready…

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jaunte  Dec 4, 2016 • 8:58:46pm

re: #238 E Deploribus Unum

Stop with the fake shock and defend your guy.

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retired cynic  Dec 4, 2016 • 8:59:14pm

re: #238 E Deploribus Unum

I guess I should have known this would be the response here, sheesh.

If you have been lurking for quite a while, yes, I’d suppose you should have known.

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teleskiguy  Dec 4, 2016 • 8:59:21pm

re: #234 E Deploribus Unum

Life comes at you fast, eh?

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blueraven  Dec 4, 2016 • 8:59:59pm

re: #227 E Deploribus Unum

How did I attack anyone?

Well, this aint no kiss my friend.

We must be racist rednecks then right? We are if you read this blog.
I hate Nazis, or National Socialists, and I’m sick and tired of being labeled one by people like you who are so filled with hate (apparently) that you can’t see past the leftist rhetoric that I read here on a daily basis.

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Dec 4, 2016 • 9:00:33pm

i’ve been hanging out at The Hill comment section where i can interact with trump voters who hang out there. that particular crowd seems to be interested mostly in these issues:

1. hillary is a bitch
2. hillary will be jailed soon
3. when voter laws are in place, democrats will never win any more elections
4. you democrats are scared, arent you? please tell us that you’re scared
5. we won so history is over now and all we have left to do is look at our trophy and make fun of how scared democrats are cuz they lost
6. democrats should stop criticizing trump and trump voters because this shows they are just full of hate (i think our commenter mentioned that one)

i was unable to evoke a response on the issues of ryan’s medicare killing plan or trump’s proposed 35% tariff

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BeachDem  Dec 4, 2016 • 9:01:11pm

re: #229 Charles Johnson

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But, but their new cry is he’s an ACTOR, so hence a crisis actor so hence a Soros plant (ultimately paid by the Clintons, probably.) I read it CONFIRMED in a Jack Posobiec (whoever the hell he is) tweet!!!11ty

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Sherlock Hound  Dec 4, 2016 • 9:02:34pm

re: #238 E Deploribus Unum

I guess I should have known this would be the response here, sheesh.

I won’t apologize for my cynicism. I’ve been on the net since 1994. I know all the ways people act in bad faith. Three weeks ago, I lost my country to these folks.

If I take you at your face, you got a box from Trump with a turd inside. Yet, you hate us when we point out the smell!

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E Deploribus Unum  Dec 4, 2016 • 9:02:55pm

re: #241 jaunte

You’re right, im not shocked. Just foolish enough to believe we can still talk (type) to each other in a civilized manner. I’m on my phone, so it’s tough to type with one finger. I’m no spring chicken and can’t do the two thumb thing. Anyway, goodnight. Maybe I’ll be back.

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Targetpractice  Dec 4, 2016 • 9:03:19pm

re: #238 E Deploribus Unum

You tossed a grenade into the middle of the room and now have the audacity to bitch that people are getting on your case for doing so.

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Charles Johnson  Dec 4, 2016 • 9:04:00pm
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Sherlock Hound  Dec 4, 2016 • 9:04:09pm

re: #245 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

Forgot,
7. SUCK IT UP BUTTERCUP!!!!!

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wheat-dogg  Dec 4, 2016 • 9:04:10pm

re: #248 E Deploribus Unum

You’re right, im not shocked. Just foolish enough to believe we can still talk (type) to each other in a civilized manner. I’m on my phone, so it’s tough to type with one finger. I’m no spring chicken and can’t do the two thumb thing. Anyway, goodnight. Maybe I’ll be back.

I swear, this guy talks like a ‘bot.

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jaunte  Dec 4, 2016 • 9:04:13pm

re: #248 E Deploribus Unum

We’re plenty civilized here. That’s why we’re concerned, to put it in the mildest terms, about Trump’s incapacity for the job less than half the voters have thrust him into.

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retired cynic  Dec 4, 2016 • 9:04:13pm

re: #248 E Deploribus Unum

You’re right, im not shocked. Just foolish enough to believe we can still talk (type) to each other in a civilized manner. I’m on my phone, so it’s tough to type with one finger. I’m no spring chicken and can’t do the two thumb thing. Anyway, goodnight. Maybe I’ll be back.

Good night. It’s been real.

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teleskiguy  Dec 4, 2016 • 9:04:47pm

re: #248 E Deploribus Unum

You are so oblivious as to how LGF functions as to be pitied by me at this point. I think you’re lying when you say you’ve been lurking for years.

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Myron Falwell (no relation)  Dec 4, 2016 • 9:04:54pm

To cleanse the palate…

I’m not sure if everyone saw my Tweetstorm re: DAP, which was in the last thread just before it died. A quick aside: I’m majority Polish heritage, so that explains the significance of the last tweet. (That photo Anymouse took in Gdansk is awesome BTW.)

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Targetpractice  Dec 4, 2016 • 9:05:01pm

re: #248 E Deploribus Unum

“Shit and run” is not a way to win friends and influence people around here. Just FYI.

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E Deploribus Unum  Dec 4, 2016 • 9:05:10pm

re: #249 Targetpractice

You’re right. I guess I did toss a grenade without realizing it. Sorry if I came across like an ass.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 4, 2016 • 9:05:44pm

*yawn*

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Dec 4, 2016 • 9:06:10pm

re: #211 E Deploribus Unum

What do you want me to say? I’ve been reading this blog off and on for many years. My buddy Bill turned me on to it back when we would go have a drink after work to talk politics and listen to classic Elton John on the jukebox. I’m just a regular dude. I have a job, I play a little guitar and I love to go hiking with my kids. I’m just tired of all the finger pointing and name calling. I’m not crying, I can take it. You can ridicule me all you like if it makes you feel better..

well i’m serious about my question and i’d sincerely like to hear about your hopes for the trump administration, but you know us liberal types have gotten used to the vilest shitstorm of degrading insults any of us are likely to experience in our lives from republicans of all types, so we are not particularly inclined to be sympathetic to trump voters who are displeased with what people say about them and i’d advise locating your big girl panties on that particular aspect of the next 4 - 8 years

no amount of complaining about it will change a thing about it anyway

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teleskiguy  Dec 4, 2016 • 9:06:31pm

re: #258 E Deploribus Unum

You are so fucking clueless about this place.

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retired cynic  Dec 4, 2016 • 9:07:02pm

re: #250 Charles Johnson

Serrrprize, Serrrprize!

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Belafon  Dec 4, 2016 • 9:08:11pm

re: #261 teleskiguy

You are so fucking clueless about this place.

His “long time lurking” has to consist solely of counting the number of pages Charles puts up each day.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Dec 4, 2016 • 9:08:16pm

re: #155 Backwoods_Sleuth

Giant sunfish never gets old.

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Targetpractice  Dec 4, 2016 • 9:08:23pm

re: #250 Charles Johnson

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Which means he’s a “lone wolf,” no doubt a “false flag” meant to make the Alex Jones crowd look bad. Because they’re just asking questions, you know…

//

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jaunte  Dec 4, 2016 • 9:08:30pm

Trump ushers in new era of gaslights.

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Interesting Times  Dec 4, 2016 • 9:08:42pm

re: #258 E Deploribus Unum

Leaving Trump aside for the moment, how do you feel about Paul Ryan’s plan to privatize Medicare and Social Security?

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Belafon  Dec 4, 2016 • 9:08:57pm

re: #266 jaunte

Trump ushers in new era of gaslights.

It’s his energy policy.

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wheat-dogg  Dec 4, 2016 • 9:09:38pm

Honestly, I think E Deploribus Unum is a bot. Ask it a direct question, and all you get is argle-bargle that doesn’t even address the question.

Let’s ask it the turtle question to see if it’s human or a replicant.

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Dec 4, 2016 • 9:09:46pm

re: #211 E Deploribus Unum

I’m just tired of all the finger pointing and name calling.

oh ferkrissakes

maybe he just parachuted in from mars

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jaunte  Dec 4, 2016 • 9:10:33pm

re: #269 wheat-dogg

I have to save the line about classic Elton John on the jukebox with buddy Bill.

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teleskiguy  Dec 4, 2016 • 9:11:04pm

The conspiracy nutters (maybe even Alex Jones himself) will paint this terrorist as some kind of John Brown, that he’ll usher in a great revolution, that he was humane ‘cause he didn’t kill anybody, that he’s some kind of Paul Revere truth-to-power figure. Has a GoFundMe for his legal defense been set up yet?

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jaunte  Dec 4, 2016 • 9:11:17pm

Billy And The Jets

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Jenner7  Dec 4, 2016 • 9:11:33pm

“I’m tired of the name calling. Oh, and I voted for Trump.”

Yeaaahh, no. Nope.

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Dave In Austin  Dec 4, 2016 • 9:11:44pm

re: #153 E Deploribus Unum

Lurk here no more. You are part of the problem. Get on back to Freeper or whatever hole you came out of.

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allegro  Dec 4, 2016 • 9:13:54pm

re: #271 jaunte

I have to save the line about classic Elton John on the jukebox with buddy Bill.

That was a precious touch.

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Targetpractice  Dec 4, 2016 • 9:15:03pm

Now hey, I’m willing to believe our new friend is genuine and honest…but I’m not sure it’s possible for him to have been any more of a stereotype.

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Joe Bacon  Dec 4, 2016 • 9:15:27pm

re: #269 wheat-dogg

Hmmmm, something tells me if you ask him the Turtle Question, he will respond by singing Devo’s “Puppet Boy”…

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jaunte  Dec 4, 2016 • 9:15:50pm

re: #276 allegro

These are the backstories that would get spies killed but seem fine as troll blabber.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Dec 4, 2016 • 9:16:56pm

re: #258 E Deploribus Unum

You’re right. I guess I did toss a grenade without realizing it. Sorry if I came across like an ass.

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E Deploribus Unum  Dec 4, 2016 • 9:17:18pm

re: #271 jauntere: #271 jaunte
Bill is probably still reading this blog.re: #270 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸
You should man, those were good times. The bar was called The Tiki Lounge. It was a tiny little bar with lots of bamboo and paintings of nude Polynesian women. We got held up at gunpoint one night, second scariest moment of my life. I’m not a bot, nor am I a troll.
re: #269 wheat-dogg</ere: #271 jaunte

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jaunte  Dec 4, 2016 • 9:17:33pm
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E Deploribus Unum  Dec 4, 2016 • 9:17:41pm

re: #273 jaunte

Benny

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jaunte  Dec 4, 2016 • 9:18:11pm

re: #283 E Deploribus Unum

Benny’s not here, man.

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jaunte  Dec 4, 2016 • 9:18:28pm

Defend Trump.

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E Deploribus Unum  Dec 4, 2016 • 9:18:57pm

re: #280 GlutenFreeJesus

I don’t support that kind of behavior. That’s exactly what I’m opposed to!

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jaunte  Dec 4, 2016 • 9:18:58pm

Defend the business conflicts.

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jaunte  Dec 4, 2016 • 9:19:12pm

Defend the racist advisers.

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jaunte  Dec 4, 2016 • 9:19:31pm

Defend the Muslim registry.

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jaunte  Dec 4, 2016 • 9:19:56pm

Just three things, should be easy.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Dec 4, 2016 • 9:20:05pm

re: #286 E Deploribus Unum

I don’t support that kind of behavior. That’s exactly what I’m opposed to!

Yet you voted for the guy who embodies that very behavior. That is support.

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Anymouse  Dec 4, 2016 • 9:20:15pm

Defend the Nazi flags and Dixie Swastikas. (Nebraska was such a lynchpin of the Confederacy during the Civil War.)

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jaunte  Dec 4, 2016 • 9:20:55pm

Or alternatively, defend not taking intelligence briefings.

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NoSoapForYou  Dec 4, 2016 • 9:21:00pm

re: #172 E Deploribus Unum

No. Not buying it. You voted for Trump because “Liberals” make you feel like they’re better than you while you know you’re the real American. So you vote for a candidate that you know they hate and you don’t mind that he contradicts himself in the space of one sentence. It makes you feel like a strong man to vote for someone who speaks like one of the guys.

Problem is he’s not a success story unless you count all the people he’s fucked over in the last 30 years as a success. He give zero fucks about you. I live 20 minutes south of Atlantic City. Donald Trump is all about Donald Trump. It would behoove you to learn this — quickly.

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Anymouse  Dec 4, 2016 • 9:21:49pm

re: #286 E Deploribus Unum

I don’t support that kind of behavior. That’s exactly what I’m opposed to!

Nazi bigot upset he is being called a Nazi bigot. Whining he wants politically correct speech and safe spaces?

Always projection from right wingers. Always. Obama round up your guns yet? Trump has said he wants to restrict gun ownership… .

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retired cynic  Dec 4, 2016 • 9:22:03pm

re: #293 jaunte

Or alternatively, defend not taking intelligence briefings.

This would be a real good place to start.

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teleskiguy  Dec 4, 2016 • 9:22:38pm

Defend his irresponsible contacts with Taiwan. Defend his serial misogyny. Defend his hypocrisy as a man of the people who lives in a gold-plated penthouse in a building named after himself.

Hey E Deploribus Unum, do you consider yourself a Christian?

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jaunte  Dec 4, 2016 • 9:22:40pm

None of it is defensible, so, silence or deflection.

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Belafon  Dec 4, 2016 • 9:22:53pm

re: #294 NoSoapForYou

You voted for Trump because “Liberals” make you feel like they’re better than you while you know you’re the real American.

Revenge voting is one of the dumbest ways to vote. “I don’t like you so I’m going to cut my arm off.” Awesome.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Dec 4, 2016 • 9:22:56pm

Oh man, the BBL!

I’ve missed that!

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Targetpractice  Dec 4, 2016 • 9:23:39pm

re: #286 E Deploribus Unum

And yet you voted for a guy who encourages that, who has encouraged the worst elements of the American Right and done so with a shit-eating grin on his face for months. Those sort of people lapped up the “straight talk” that you say sold you on Trump, everything from “Mexicans are rapists and murderers” to “We can’t trust Muslims because they’re terrorists” to “Inner cities are blighted hellholes.”

You vote for this shit, now OWN IT!

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Dec 4, 2016 • 9:23:45pm

Also they’ve logged out for now.

School tomorrow, maybe.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Dec 4, 2016 • 9:25:52pm

Why do they all have to time this for when I’m cooking dinner? Sadface.

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teleskiguy  Dec 4, 2016 • 9:26:10pm

Will this be the last comment from hatchling E Deploribus Unum? Only time will tell.

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jaunte  Dec 4, 2016 • 9:26:13pm

Three of twenty.

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ipsos  Dec 4, 2016 • 9:26:44pm

re: #214 jaunte

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Anymouse  Dec 4, 2016 • 9:27:17pm

re: #303 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Why do they all have to time this for when I’m cooking dinner? Sadface.

My wife is making poutine at the moment. *Yum

Did you miss the boring Trump slogan generator when you were cooking, Ms. Klys?

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Charles Johnson  Dec 4, 2016 • 9:27:34pm

re: #287 jaunte

Defend the business conflicts.

Defend the racist advisers.

Defend the Muslim registry.

And he logs off.

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blueraven  Dec 4, 2016 • 9:27:58pm

re: #295 Anymouse

Nazi bigot upset he is being called a Nazi bigot. Whining he wants politically correct speech and safe spaces?

Always projection from right wingers. Always. Obama round up your guns yet? Trump has said he wants to restrict gun ownership… .

Nice job playing his tune.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Dec 4, 2016 • 9:28:30pm

re: #305 jaunte

But hey, he talks straight!

That’s what you call serving up complete bullshit with a straight face, right?

re: #307 Anymouse

My wife is making poutine at the moment. *Yum

Did you miss the boring Trump slogan generator when you were cooking, Ms. Klys?

Not really. But I like playing with my food.

Tonight was a chili mac and cheese made with ground turkey. Leftovers for the next two days for lunch. Tomorrow is Brussels sprouts and bacon with pasta.

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jaunte  Dec 4, 2016 • 9:28:34pm

re: #308 Charles Johnson

There’s just going to be more of Trump’s incompetence to excuse later.

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Targetpractice  Dec 4, 2016 • 9:29:14pm

All I’ve heard for close to a month now is “I’m not a racist bastard, stop calling me that!” concern troll, “Good German” shit from people who should know better. I don’t give a fuck how badly your feelings are hurt, because you voted for a man who is endangering me and everything I love about this nation. You can lie to yourself as much as you like about how your reasons were noble, but don’t lie to me because I’m done listening to it.

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jaunte  Dec 4, 2016 • 9:29:29pm

I hope I was polite enough.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Dec 4, 2016 • 9:29:58pm

re: #313 jaunte

I hope I was polite enough.

You’re always nice and polite, jaunte.

I just mock.

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Anymouse  Dec 4, 2016 • 9:30:27pm

re: #309 blueraven

Nice job playing his tune.

[bows]

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Charles Johnson  Dec 4, 2016 • 9:30:46pm

We wouldn’t want to be meanies to someone who helped elect the most dangerous, most deranged and egomaniacal president this country has ever seen.

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jaunte  Dec 4, 2016 • 9:31:25pm

Handy for Trump voters to concentrate on their paying work.

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BeachDem  Dec 4, 2016 • 9:31:32pm

re: #265 Targetpractice

Which means he’s a “lone wolf,” no doubt a “false flag” meant to make the Alex Jones crowd look bad. Because they’re just asking questions, you know…

//

Well, of course—because don’t ya know the Washington Post article is time-stamped 3 hours before the incident happened—obviously the false-flaggers are only capable of running an underground tunnel satanic pedophile operation out of a popular pizza shop, but unable to realize that they should not publish articles until after events occur. It only stands to reason…
////

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Targetpractice  Dec 4, 2016 • 9:31:59pm

re: #314 klys (maker of Silmarils)

You’re always nice and polite, jaunte.

I just mock.

While my chief weapon is biting sarcasm. And swearing. My two weapons are biting sarcasm and swearing…and analogies. My three weapons are biting sarcasm, swearing, and analogies…and an almost fanatical devotion to the Pope. Among my weapons…I’ll just come back in.

//

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wheat-dogg  Dec 4, 2016 • 9:32:43pm

re: #316 Charles Johnson

We wouldn’t want to be meanies to someone who helped elect the most dangerous, most deranged and egomaniacal president this country has ever seen.

Many of whom doubted that Obama was in fact an American, and some of whom likened the Obamas to monkeys.

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jaunte  Dec 4, 2016 • 9:33:00pm
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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Dec 4, 2016 • 9:33:21pm

So one of the local parks puts up a big light display every year. Normally you drive through it, but this year (and maybe they’ve done it previously, I don’t know) they opened it up this weekend to pedestrians. We thought it would be fun, so we went.

They don’t allow cars at the park itself so they were talking about how they were running a free shuttle from the parking lots for one of the big tech firms down the street. Figured okay, well, we’ll do that, since it’s just a little too far to walk from home.

Hah. Hahahahahaha. HAHAHAHAHA.

Apparently the event sold out (and when I bought the tickets there were over 2k remaining SO) and the line for the shuttle was probably 40+ minutes long. We left, went and drove closer, parked, and walked in. It was enjoyable once we did that, at least.

Also there was a food truck selling cupcakes.

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teleskiguy  Dec 4, 2016 • 9:33:59pm

Hey Anymouse, I bet you’re glad you didn’t leave LGF for good now, eh?!? We have *fun* here!

:-P

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jaunte  Dec 4, 2016 • 9:34:51pm
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Dave In Austin  Dec 4, 2016 • 9:35:12pm

re: #305 jaunte

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Three of twenty.

Pence is going to all of them. Pence will be the administrator of all things wingnut. Pence will be the actual President in shadow.
Trump on the other hand will just be Trump. Rallies and Twitter.

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jaunte  Dec 4, 2016 • 9:36:03pm

re: #325 Dave In Austin

Until someone tells Trump the Veep is stealing his thunder.

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retired cynic  Dec 4, 2016 • 9:36:14pm

re: #325 Dave In Austin

He can cause plenty of trouble with just rallies and twitter. Just what we don’t need.

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Targetpractice  Dec 4, 2016 • 9:36:34pm

re: #321 jaunte

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One of the smartest things done in the immediate aftermath of WWII was having the various politicians of the former Reich motored into the camps and shown the horrors that they had allowed to fester like an infected wound while a looping audio track beat them over the heads again and again that this was what their willingness to look the other way had wrought. Just rubbing their noses in the putrid shit that their deliberate indifference had brought into being and making it clear that there was no way to argue away their complicity. That they could not just go through the rest of their days arguing that they’d done nothing wrong, that it had been the Nazis who had run the camps, they were just “Good Germans” who’d done what they were told.

I get the very bad feeling we’re gonna need our own round of that in 4 years time.

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Interesting Times  Dec 4, 2016 • 9:36:39pm

re: #267 Interesting Times

Leaving Trump aside for the moment, how do you feel about Paul Ryan’s plan to privatize Medicare and Social Security?

Cricket Sound

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Anymouse  Dec 4, 2016 • 9:36:39pm

re: #312 Targetpractice

All I’ve heard for close to a month now is “I’m not a racist bastard, stop calling me that!” concern troll, “Good German” shit from people who should know better. I don’t give a fuck how badly your feelings are hurt, because you voted for a man who is endangering me and everything I love about this nation. You can lie to yourself as much as you like about how your reasons were noble, but don’t lie to me because I’m done listening to it.

Damn straight. (Unfortunately, my whole town voted for Mr. Trump other than 10 for Hillary Clinton, 8 for Gary Johnson, and 2 for Jill Stein (who the heck here voted for her?) - the other 129 voted for Donald Trump (that would be the whole township, not just the village)

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wheat-dogg  Dec 4, 2016 • 9:39:04pm

Duterte has lost his vice president: she’s resigned.

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blueraven  Dec 4, 2016 • 9:40:35pm
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Anymouse  Dec 4, 2016 • 9:40:57pm

re: #323 teleskiguy

Hey Anymouse, I bet you’re glad you didn’t leave LGF for good now, eh?!? We have *fun* here!

:-P

Yup, as I noted in a previous thread, I was being a jerk in someone else’s (on-line) home, thought about what I did, and publicly admitted my behaviour here.

Now I got to see a troll whining we weren’t being PC enough for his taste. Was that Mr. Johnson’s reward? /s

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BeachDem  Dec 4, 2016 • 9:41:23pm

re: #316 Charles Johnson

We wouldn’t want to be meanies to someone who helped elect the most dangerous, most deranged and egomaniacal president this country has ever seen.

Stupid or hateful or both. The end.

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Romantic Heretic  Dec 4, 2016 • 9:42:01pm

re: #331 wheat-dogg

Duterte has lost his vice president: she’s resigned.

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And tomorrow Duterte will paint a bullseye on her by announcing she’s in league with the drug cartels.

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BeachDem  Dec 4, 2016 • 9:43:36pm

re: #319 Targetpractice

While my chief weapon is biting sarcasm. And swearing. My two weapons are biting sarcasm and swearing…and analogies. My three weapons are biting sarcasm, swearing, and analogies…and an almost fanatical devotion to the Pope. Among my weapons…I’ll just come back in.

//

Other than the pope thing, we share the same skill sets!

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Anymouse  Dec 4, 2016 • 9:45:33pm

re: #336 BeachDem

Other than the pope thing, we share the same skill sets!

I’m not so good with the analogies. My analogies are sort of like my shoe size.

huffingtonpost.com

Fireworks photos from Standing Rock tonight after the Army Corps of Engineers halted construction of the Dakota Access Pipeline segment.

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teleskiguy  Dec 4, 2016 • 9:50:23pm

re: #333 Anymouse

Yup, as I noted in a previous thread, I was being a jerk in someone else’s (on-line) home, thought about what I did, and publicly admitted my behaviour here.

It happens. I was an egregious violator of the - eh, we’ll call it the “jerk clause.”

Anger is a self-perpetuating thing. One thing leads to another and the next thing you know you’ve alienated your best friends. I’ve been there at LGF and IRL. Owning up to the irrational shit is a positive step and as I’ve discovered, a way to endear yourself to those folks who placed you in that cycle of anger in the first place.

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Targetpractice  Dec 4, 2016 • 9:50:38pm

Here EUD, let me make it simple: If you don’t like that we call you a racist for voting for Trump, think of how millions of our fellow Americans feel being told that they are rapists and murderers because they hail from Mexico. Or that a judge born, raised, and educated in this country is untrustworthy because of his heritage and not anything he has done. Or that being a member of a particular faith makes your suspect and is grounds for denying you entry/reentry to this country. Or that you can’t live in an inner city without worry that you’ll be shot or stabbed every time you step out of your house and you need Big Daddy Trump there to protect you through racially-biased policies enforced by police departments with deplorable records.

See, you voted for all that shit. So it’s a little late to whine about your feelings.

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retired cynic  Dec 4, 2016 • 9:52:14pm

re: #338 teleskiguy

Speaking of anger, where is PLL?

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Targetpractice  Dec 4, 2016 • 9:52:33pm

re: #333 Anymouse

Yup, as I noted in a previous thread, I was being a jerk in someone else’s (on-line) home, thought about what I did, and publicly admitted my behaviour here.

Now I got to see a troll whining we weren’t being PC enough for his taste. Was that Mr. Johnson’s reward? /s

I want ya to know AM that I don’t hold anything that was said between us against you and admit that I was talking out of my ass a few times. My emotions got the better of me and I apologize for my behavior.

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jaunte  Dec 4, 2016 • 9:52:42pm

Gen. Michael Flynn’s son is also nuts.

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goddamnedfrank  Dec 4, 2016 • 9:52:47pm

re: #172 E Deploribus Unum

Because we liked his straight talk about the issues that we care about. Protecting our borders, growing the economy, enforcing the laws of our country, respecting our LEOs and military, etc.

Authoritarianism.

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wheat-dogg  Dec 4, 2016 • 9:53:33pm

re: #340 retired cynic

Speaking of anger, where is PLL?

He popped his head in yesterday or day before with some cryptic report on dealing with his sister.

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Targetpractice  Dec 4, 2016 • 9:54:48pm

re: #343 goddamnedfrank

Authoritarianism.

“I want somebody to protect me!” A sentiment that has never steered nations down dark paths, right?

//////

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retired cynic  Dec 4, 2016 • 9:55:38pm

re: #344 wheat-dogg

He popped his head in yesterday or day before with some cryptic report on dealing with his sister.

Thanks. I worry about him.

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teleskiguy  Dec 4, 2016 • 9:57:32pm

re: #340 retired cynic

Speaking of anger, where is PLL?

His last tweet:

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Dec 4, 2016 • 9:58:00pm

So there was that building collapse Friday that pictures of got posted here. An update:

Facebook Post

There’s a possibility (slight sarcasm alert) that may have been a load bearing wall.

One person died (presumably one of the construction workers), one woman injured but alive (as well as her dog). Article here has a few more updates.

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wheat-dogg  Dec 4, 2016 • 9:58:51pm

re: #343 goddamnedfrank

Authoritarianism.

A couple of people in my FB feed have also praised Trump’s so-called straight talk, ignoring that most of what he says is utter nonsense. He’s parroting what the supporters are thinking or maybe saying at home, but that’s not straight talk. That’s called rephrasing what your mark has said in order to close a sale.

Voter: “We need to keep out all these Mexican immigrants!”
Trump: “So you’re thinking we should build a wall or something like that.”
Voter: “Right, we should build a wall!”
Trump: “Well, you’re in luck. We happen to have a great wall proposal, and best of all, it won’t cost you a dime!”

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Anymouse  Dec 4, 2016 • 10:00:11pm

re: #338 teleskiguy

It happens. I was an egregious violator of the - eh, we’ll call it the “jerk clause.”

Anger is a self-perpetuating thing. One thing leads to another and the next thing you know you’ve alienated your best friends. I’ve been there at LGF and IRL. Owning up to the irrational shit is a positive step and as I’ve discovered, a way to endear yourself to those folks who placed you in that cycle of anger in the first place.

No one here placed me in a cycle of anger, I did that to myself.

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BeachDem  Dec 4, 2016 • 10:01:18pm

re: #322 klys (maker of Silmarils)

So one of the local parks puts up a big light display every year. Normally you drive through it, but this year (and maybe they’ve done it previously, I don’t know) they opened it up this weekend to pedestrians. We thought it would be fun, so we went.

They don’t allow cars at the park itself so they were talking about how they were running a free shuttle from the parking lots for one of the big tech firms down the street. Figured okay, well, we’ll do that, since it’s just a little too far to walk from home.

Hah. Hahahahahaha. HAHAHAHAHA.

Apparently the event sold out (and when I bought the tickets there were over 2k remaining SO) and the line for the shuttle was probably 40+ minutes long. We left, went and drove closer, parked, and walked in. It was enjoyable once we did that, at least.

Also there was a food truck selling cupcakes.

I crack on south by dog carolina a lot, but I have to say Brookgreen Gardens (the largest outdoor sculpture garden in the US) is a truly fabulous place and their holiday Night of a Thousand Candles (now up to 10 nights) is truly breathtaking. Pics don’t do it justice, but…

Nights of a Thousand Candles - Brookgreen Gardens

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The Madness of King Orange (aka Sophist)  Dec 4, 2016 • 10:02:23pm

re: #172 E Deploribus Unum

Because we liked his straight talk about the issues that we care about.

Bull. Shit.

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teleskiguy  Dec 4, 2016 • 10:03:13pm

re: #350 Anymouse

No one here placed me in a cycle of anger, I did that to myself.

Me too. Me too.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Dec 4, 2016 • 10:03:33pm

re: #351 BeachDem

That’s like all pretty and traditional.

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Anymouse  Dec 4, 2016 • 10:09:00pm

re: #354 klys (maker of Silmarils)

That’s like all pretty and traditional.

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The Madness of King Orange (aka Sophist)  Dec 4, 2016 • 10:10:40pm

re: #211 E Deploribus Unum

I’m just tired of all the finger pointing and name calling.

Says the Trump voter.

Start fucking off, and never stop.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Dec 4, 2016 • 10:10:46pm

re: #355 Anymouse

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retired cynic  Dec 4, 2016 • 10:11:50pm

re: #357 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Happy Holidays!

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Anymouse  Dec 4, 2016 • 10:12:40pm

re: #172 E Deploribus Unum

Because we liked his straight talk about the issues that we care about. Protecting our borders, growing the economy, enforcing the laws of our country, respecting our LEOs and military, etc. My wife, who is a lifetime Democrat was fed up with what she saw as an endless stream of the Clinton’s lies and corruption. We both viewed Trump as a strong, albeit flawed leader.

re: #352 The Madness of King Orange (aka Sophist)

Bull. Shit.

Those issues would be protecting the borders rebuilding the Berlin Wall, growing the economy destroying the economy, enforcing the laws of our country violating the Constitution and using the Power of the State to enrich Mr. Trump, respecting our LEOs except the minority ones, etc plus fascism and racism.

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The Madness of King Orange (aka Sophist)  Dec 4, 2016 • 10:13:18pm

re: #227 E Deploribus Unum

How did I attack anyone?

Go read your first post again, dickweasel.

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Citizen K  Dec 4, 2016 • 10:13:26pm

The things I miss when I’m doing video work.

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teleskiguy  Dec 4, 2016 • 10:14:40pm

re: #360 The Madness of King Orange (aka Sophist)

Go read your first again, dickweasel.

Hey! We’re trying to be polite and listen to and respect this obvious troll’s POV. Be nice, asshole!

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The Madness of King Orange (aka Sophist)  Dec 4, 2016 • 10:17:55pm

re: #238 E Deploribus Unum

I guess I should have known this would be the response here, sheesh.

You guaranteed that this would happen with your idiotic first post. Deal. With. It.

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The Madness of King Orange (aka Sophist)  Dec 4, 2016 • 10:25:08pm

re: #248 E Deploribus Unum

You’re right, im not shocked. Just foolish enough to believe we can still talk (type) to each other in a civilized manner. I’m on my phone, so it’s tough to type with one finger. I’m no spring chicken and can’t do the two thumb thing. Anyway, goodnight. Maybe I’ll be back.

You started out whining about what a buch of hate filled bigots we all are. That’s not how someone interested in a “civilized” debate broaches the topic. That is, however, how grievance-mongering Trumpfuckers have been acting for weeks.

If you don’t want to be treated like a duck, don’t quack.

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The Madness of King Orange (aka Sophist)  Dec 4, 2016 • 10:29:28pm

re: #258 E Deploribus Unum

You’re right. I guess I did toss a grenade without realizing it. Sorry if I came across like an ass.

You told us we were full of hate. You didn’t come across as an ass, you were an ass.

And until you knock off this “sorry if you were offended” notpology bullshit and admit it, you will continue to be an ass.

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Charles Johnson  Dec 4, 2016 • 10:31:12pm
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Anymouse  Dec 4, 2016 • 10:34:05pm

re: #366 Charles Johnson

So we get a fascist state under Mr. Trump, or a theocratic one under Gov. Pence.

Decisions, decisions …

And purity voters were saying they didn’t want to vote for the lesser of two evils. So they are fine with either of these guys then?

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The Madness of King Orange (aka Sophist)  Dec 4, 2016 • 10:51:57pm

re: #350 Anymouse

No one here placed me in a cycle of anger, I did that to myself.

I think the entire country decending into suicidal insanity might also have had a hand in it.

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Dave In Austin  Dec 4, 2016 • 10:52:46pm

Like I said……

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Anymouse  Dec 4, 2016 • 10:52:59pm

re: #368 The Madness of King Orange (aka Sophist)

I think the entire country decending into suicidal insanity might also have had a hand in it.

nah, I was just being a jerk. I can do that on my own, I don’t need Mr. Trump to help me with that. (::

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Jebediah, RBG  Dec 5, 2016 • 7:29:09am

re: #271 jaunte

And that is how we know I’m Deplorable Unum is lying. Bill has shit taste in music and only owns Kenny G albums. He would never listen to Elton John.


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