Neil Finn - Edible Flowers (Live With Strings, Auckland 2015)

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One more excellent video from Neil Finn’s 2015 concert, because this is one of the greatest pop songwriters ever, at his best.

Neil Finn performing “Edible Flowers” at Auckland Town Hall, New Zealand, 18th July 2015.
Listen to RNZ National’s recording of the concert at radionz.co.nz
Recorded and mixed by Andre Upston. Video by Kontent, directed by Simon Mark-Brown.
String arrangement by Tony Visconti.
Percussion: Chris O’Connore. Backing vocals: Victoria Kelly,
Song originally on the 2001 Neil Finn & Friends album, “7 Worlds Collide”.
See over 200 videos and play all Neil’s albums in full at neilfinn.com

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Ace-o-aces Dec 4, 2016 • 10:46:20pm

Did they make the cats pay for it? @washingtonpost

— aceoaces (@aceoaces) December 5, 2016

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Anymouse Dec 4, 2016 • 10:52:07pm

Another fine performance by Mr. Finn. Thank you Mr. Johnson. This concert sounds like it would have been worth my while to travel to Auckland.

VegasGolfer Dec 4, 2016 • 11:12:50pm

Could any of you who are more eloquent than me give me an answer to the trump supporters who say I’m not like the vile people who voted for him. But their vote condones everything they stand for.

Anymouse Dec 4, 2016 • 11:18:54pm

re: #3 VegasGolfer

Could any of you who are more eloquent than me give me an answer to the trump supporters who say I’m not like the vile people who voted for him. But their vote condones everything they stand for.

I’m not sure what you’re asking here.

a) You voted for Mr. Trump but are unlike others who supported him?
b) You voted for someone else and they are claiming you are just like his supporters?

wheat-dogg Dec 4, 2016 • 11:23:20pm

re: #3 VegasGolfer

Could any of you who are more eloquent than me give me an answer to the trump supporters who say I’m not like the vile people who voted for him. But their vote condones everything they stand for.

If they voted for him, despite his racist statements against Muslims, Mexicans and refugees, and his sexist statements about women, and his veiled threats against a free press and particular journalists by name, then they are condoning and enabling such behavior. They are telling Trump and his supporters that such language and behavior is acceptable during a political campaign, and acceptable for a presidential candidate. It makes no difference what they believe themselves. They are implicitly agreeing with Trump by voting for him.

If the shoe fits, wear it.

We're Way Beyond Snark Dec 4, 2016 • 11:23:21pm

re: #4 Anymouse

I’m not sure what you’re asking here.

a) You voted for Mr. Trump but are unlike others who supported him?
b) You voted for someone else and they are claiming you are just like his supporters?

Punctuation matters: Could any of you who are more eloquent than me give me an answer to the trump supporters who say, “I’m not like the vile people who voted for him.” (But their vote condones everything they stand for.)

My take, anyway.

We're Way Beyond Snark Dec 4, 2016 • 11:25:30pm

re: #5 wheat-dogg

I would add, despite his manifest ignorance of policy, domestic (e.g. budget) and especially foreign — which was apparent long before we voted. They knowingly placed the US — and not only the US — in jeopardy by their actions.

We're Way Beyond Snark Dec 4, 2016 • 11:26:07pm

And on that note, I’m going to bed. Night, all.

dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸ Dec 4, 2016 • 11:28:37pm

i am a little confused by tbe attitudes of the trump voters i encounter online. they seem quite wary of discussing any specific issues, much more so than i expected

and trump told them what they wanted to hear but he’s “flawed”

so trump voters, i have some advice for you:

the president of the united states should not be “flawed”

wheat-dogg Dec 4, 2016 • 11:31:29pm

re: #9 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

i am a little confused by tbe attitudes of the trump voters i encounter online. they seem quite wary of discussing any specific issues, much more so than i expected

and trump told them what they wanted to hear but he’s “flawed”

so trump voters, i have some advice for you:

the president of the united states should not be “flawed”

Buyer’s remorse

The Madness of King Orange (aka Sophist) Dec 4, 2016 • 11:34:52pm

re: #3 VegasGolfer

Could any of you who are more eloquent than me give me an answer to the trump supporters who say I’m not like the vile people who voted for him. But their vote condones everything they stand for.

But they are like them in the only way that matters: they voted for Trump. A ballot voted by a literal NAZI who was thinking about how much he hates Black people as he filled in the bubbled next to “Trump” is indistinguishable from your ballot, and delivers the same message. You, like the NAZI, looked at the hateful, race-baiting, bigoted campaign run by Trump and declared by your act of voting that such behavior deserved to be rewarded with the most important political office in the country. What your intent was in sending this message is of no consequence. That is the message that you have sent.

dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸ Dec 4, 2016 • 11:35:21pm

my opinion of what is going to happen when trump is president tend to shift from day to day

today i’m thinking he might really lose it and become insupportable within a few months and the congress will just get rid of him

Anymouse Dec 4, 2016 • 11:36:53pm

re: #6 We’re Way Beyond Snark

Punctuation matters: Could any of you who are more eloquent than me give me an answer to the trump supporters who say, “I’m not like the vile people who voted for him.” (But their vote condones everything they stand for.)

My take, anyway.

Aha.

For months, Mr. Trump has called out specific segments of the populace:

Mexicans: Rapists and criminals, but some he assumed were good people
Muslims: Calling for deportations, “extreme vetting” (all of which stands against I Amendment protections of Freedom of Religion)
The Press: encouraging calls of “lugenpresse” (the Nazi term for “the lying press”), penning the press and allowing his supporters to curse and spit at them, calling specific reporters out by name (Katy Tur) such that the Secret Service had to escort her to safety
Retweeting Mussolini and Hitler statements, retweeting racist and white supremacist memes
Courting neo-Nazis, the Ku Klux Klan, and other civil society groups; either slow to denounce them or ignoring calls to do so
Calling to arrest political opponents (specifically Hillary Clinton) and encouraging chants of rally-goers of “lock her up”
Dabbling in conspiracy-mongering
Calling to build a wall and make someone else pay for it (Mexico) that even if he could do it, would work in the opposite direction (it would prevent people leaving).

I presume you could add a few more here.

Anyone who made the choice to pull the lever for Mr. Trump can only fall into two categories:

a) They knew nothing of this because they were not paying attention. I would charitably call that voter a fool for voting for someone they knew nothing about.

b) They knew some or all of this, and voted for him anyway. A person who stands in silence whilst evil stalks the land is a fifth columnist for evil. A person who actively supported this is just as evil.

The term for those in Nazi Germany who saw what was going on but chose to do or say nothing was “good Germans.” They didn’t participate in any atrocities of the Nazi government but they did nothing to oppose them.

A person who knowingly voted for Mr. Trump voted for all those things above. That doesn’t even make them a “good German,” it makes them participants in evil. They actively voted for evil, racism, hatred, division of the nation, suppression of rights, and did so eyes wide open.

But Hillary Benghaziemailspizza is not the same. That is the same conspiracy mongering that Mr. Trump engaged in.

The best we can hope for is that he either a) Mr. Trump lied to his voters, or b) he is too incompetent to implement that. Any voter who allowed themselves to be duped in such a fashion might not be evil, but certainly aren’t informed voters.

dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸ Dec 4, 2016 • 11:37:12pm

re: #10 wheat-dogg

Buyer’s remorse

“i bought this car because i like the noise the engine makes altho i admit that the brakes are flawed”

Anymouse Dec 4, 2016 • 11:40:34pm

I am off to bed. G’night y’all.

dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸ Dec 4, 2016 • 11:41:56pm

re: #10 wheat-dogg

Buyer’s remorse

have you ever looked into the etymology of the word ‘remorse’?

it’s from the latin and means ‘bite again’. basically the idea is that the guilt from the bad thing that you did is so bad that remembering it causes you to feel pain - your bad deed almost literally comes back to bite you

this word will be very apt in the near future

Dave In Austin Dec 4, 2016 • 11:42:08pm

This may get interesting

huffingtonpost.com

In efforts to secure the White House for Donald Trump, major members of his campaign – including Trump himself – engaged in a coordinated voter suppression campaign the likes of which haven’t been seen since the Civil War.

Charges for potential violation of these laws can only be brought by United States Attorney General Loretta Lynch. As such, the Strategic Institute for Intersectional Policy is asking for people to call her at the Department of Justice at[no phone numbers allowed] or TTY/ASCII/TDD:[no phone numbers allowed] and leave a message asking her to press charges against the members of the Trump Campaign for voter purging.

The Madness of King Orange (aka Sophist) Dec 5, 2016 • 12:13:57am

re: #10 wheat-dogg

Buyer’s remorse

Guilty conscience.

Single-handed sailor Dec 5, 2016 • 12:49:17am

To repeat what a friend said earlier tonight…

“holy shit, Westworld”

Dave In Austin Dec 5, 2016 • 1:05:37am

re: #19 Single-handed sailor

To repeat what a friend said earlier tonight…

“holy shit, Westworld”

On nite shift… In my list this morning. It has taken some bizarre turns.

teleskiguy Dec 5, 2016 • 1:17:43am

Nobel Laureate physicist Richard Feynman with his bongos pic.twitter.com/n5csi09x7I

— OnThisDay & Facts (@NotableHistory) December 5, 2016

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SteveMcG RN Dec 5, 2016 • 2:19:43am

re: #3 VegasGolfer

Could any of you who are more eloquent than me give me an answer to the trump supporters who say I’m not like the vile people who voted for him. But their vote condones everything they stand for.

Unfortunately, the burden is on the Trump voter to differentiate her/himself from the cesspool. Any attempt at rationalization that doesn’t include the appeal to racism and bigotry breaks down when when you try to reconcile the rationale with reason. That leaves the Trump voter with only emotional reasons, hence the association with the bigots and racists.
Sadly the typical Trump voter will never engage long enough to face reality.

freetoken Dec 5, 2016 • 2:49:52am

re: #17 Dave In Austin

It seems like a click-bait-y article, IMO. A way to stir up attention.

wheat-dogg Dec 5, 2016 • 3:14:09am

re: #19 Single-handed sailor

To repeat what a friend said earlier tonight…

“holy shit, Westworld”

Just saw it myself.

Holy shit.

Timothy Watson Dec 5, 2016 • 3:40:51am

Fuck it, I quit https://t.co/4h0q0icl5z via @WTOP

— Timothy Watson (@timothy_watson) December 5, 2016

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Dave In Austin Dec 5, 2016 • 3:47:35am

re: #25 Timothy Watson

Confirmation will be fun…..

Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light)) Dec 5, 2016 • 4:04:41am

re: #26 Dave In Austin

Confirmation will be fun…..

“What’s your favorite Paul Newman movie?”

William Lewis Dec 5, 2016 • 4:36:08am

re: #3 VegasGolfer

Could any of you who are more eloquent than me give me an answer to the trump supporters who say I’m not like the vile people who voted for him. But their vote condones everything they stand for.

Tell them that in voting for Trump, they may not be members of the lynch mob itself but they damn sure sold them the rope and are looking the other way while the rope is used. As a result they are just as bigoted, racist, sexist, islamophobic & homophobic as the rest of them despite their protestations of innocence. There is no room for a “Good German”.

Never again to anyone.

Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light)) Dec 5, 2016 • 4:40:55am

re: #28 William Lewis

Tell them that in voting for Trump, they may not be members of the lynch mob itself but they damn sure sold them the rope and are looking the other way while the rope is used. As a result they are just as bigoted, racist, sexist, islamophobic & homophobic as the rest of them despite their protestations of innocence. There is no room for a “Good German”.

Never again to anyone.

Trump is all about plausible deniability for such attitudes: “I voted for him because he is a successful businessman/he is not part of the Washington establishment/He tells it like it is!” etc., are lame excuses for not owning up to what he really is about.

Smith25's Liberal Thighs Dec 5, 2016 • 5:04:02am

Monday morning yall…

Need Moar Coffee…

Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light)) Dec 5, 2016 • 5:07:15am

re: #30 Smith25’s Liberal Thighs

Monday morning yall…

Need Moar Coffee…

there is not enough coffee to take the blunt edge off this Monday

Dave In Austin Dec 5, 2016 • 5:30:56am

So Cheetolini gave HUD to “The Keeper of the Grain Silos” yesterday.

With Ben Carson wanting to hit his mother on head with a hammer, stab a friend and Pyramids built for grain storage - don’t people get it?

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) November 6, 2015

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Joe Bacon Dec 5, 2016 • 5:38:06am

@realDonaldTrump How many times did he have to kiss your ass so you would give him HUD to play with?

— josephebacon (@josephebacon) December 5, 2016

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wheat-dogg Dec 5, 2016 • 5:44:01am

Donald Trump’s Shakedown of the American Dream
beta.theglobeandmail.com

By Sarah Kendzior

But we are still here, we the people, the inconvenient background players in Donald Trump’s self-serving shakedown of the American dream. We the people have been calling our representatives, demanding to know what is going on. We the people never did form that more perfect union, but we are not about to trade in the red, white and blue for the gold-plated facade of a tyrant tycoon.

We the people look out for each other – even when no one looks out for us.

Last week, the Uzbek man whom I helped get asylum contacted me again. He was worried that he was going to be put on the Muslim registry and become, for the second time in his life, a target of a brutal state. As was the case in Uzbekistan, my friend has done nothing to deserve this. My heart aches for him and all who fled dictatorships for the U.S., only to find themselves reliving old horrors.

Franklin Dec 5, 2016 • 5:44:58am

I’m old enough to remember when @realDonaldTrump paid $25 million to settle his Trump University fraud suit.

— Bad Hombre (@franklinftw) December 5, 2016

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Belafon Dec 5, 2016 • 5:47:01am

Full analysis of the election in one tweet: Too many democrats demand purity or wont vote, while most republicans want victory, and so vote.

— Kurt Eichenwald (@kurteichenwald) December 3, 2016

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wheat-dogg Dec 5, 2016 • 5:47:34am

Talk about horse sense

This horse did not sign up for a photo opportunity with Marine Le Pen, and he wants you to know it pic.twitter.com/34jLjeXoO7

— Anita Singh (@anitathetweeter) December 4, 2016

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jeffreyw Dec 5, 2016 • 5:54:14am

Imgur

Good morning!

lawhawk Dec 5, 2016 • 6:01:33am

So, it’s official that Trump nominated Carson for HUD. Carson, who had no experience and admitted as much, is now going to have the opportunity to gut the agency and its housing discrimination rules, along with game the system since HUD helps coordinate housing policy with state and local agencies, and the mortgage industry.

And yet Trump nuts are saying it’s a great pick because Carson is so smart or knowledgeable.

Seriously.

Trump has led the anti-factual revolution, and we’re going to be dealing with this insanity for the foreseeable future.

Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light)) Dec 5, 2016 • 6:01:36am

re: #37 wheat-dogg

This horse did not sign up for a photo opportunity with Marine Le Pen, and he wants you to know it

egad…she really looks like my ex…who is a horse fanatic and has since moved to France.

wheat-dogg Dec 5, 2016 • 6:05:43am

re: #40 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

egad…she really looks like my ex…who is a horse fanatic and has since moved to France.

Does your ex also scare horses?

Eventual Carrion Dec 5, 2016 • 6:08:04am

re: #41 wheat-dogg

Does your ex also scare horses?

Frau Blücher

lawhawk Dec 5, 2016 • 6:12:01am

For the right wingers who were absolutely convinced that the Russian aircraft carrier entering the Med was showing how Obama was being pushed around and that the Russians meant business, the sad reality is that this carrier has been a thorn in Russia’s side for as long as it has had it.

It’s never lived up to its expectations, and it has spent more time at dock than patrolling. There’s a good reason for that, and those reasons also mean that pilots who fly on/off the ship lack the experience needed to handle sea-landings.

The ship has now lost two planes in the past month due to landing issues; one when the arrestor wire broke, and a second when the plane crashed short of the carrier:

Russian Aircraft Carrier Off Syria Loses Second Fighter Jet In Weeks https://t.co/tSxobS5s5X

— Richard Giragosian (@Richard_RSC) December 5, 2016

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light)) Dec 5, 2016 • 6:13:44am

re: #41 wheat-dogg

Does your ex also scare horses?

they are too afraid to show it…

b.d. Dec 5, 2016 • 6:18:53am

re: #43 lawhawk

For the right wingers who were absolutely convinced that the Russian aircraft carrier entering the Med was showing how Obama was being pushed around and that the Russians meant business, the sad reality is that this carrier has been a thorn in Russia’s side for as long as it has had it.

It’s never lived up to its expectations, and it has spent more time at dock than patrolling. There’s a good reason for that, and those reasons also mean that pilots who fly on/off the ship lack the experience needed to handle sea-landings.

The ship has now lost two planes in the past month due to landing issues; one when the arrestor wire broke, and a second when the plane crashed short of the carrier:

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Bummer, it will better when Trump’s new deal takes affect:

Russia will shoot our astronauts into space and we will carry out all aircraft carrier missions for Russia.

makeitstop Dec 5, 2016 • 6:19:06am

re: #3 VegasGolfer

Could any of you who are more eloquent than me give me an answer to the trump supporters who say I’m not like the vile people who voted for him. But their vote condones everything they stand for.

Scalzi’s Cinemax Theory always gets a reaction from Trumpers who swear they’re not racists.

Jayleia Dec 5, 2016 • 6:33:17am

re: #43 lawhawk

For the right wingers who were absolutely convinced that the Russian aircraft carrier entering the Med was showing how Obama was being pushed around and that the Russians meant business, the sad reality is that this carrier has been a thorn in Russia’s side for as long as it has had it.

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So you’re saying that, if the Russians are LUCKY, the whole damn thing will sink so they can build a non-broken carrier?

The Vicious Babushka Dec 5, 2016 • 6:34:27am

Trump’s rallies aren’t normal political events. They’re Internet comment sections come to life. https://t.co/3TWx8L6NZg pic.twitter.com/4k8dXeS9sU

— LOLGOP (@LOLGOP) December 5, 2016

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light)) Dec 5, 2016 • 6:35:12am

re: #43 lawhawk

For the right wingers who were absolutely convinced that the Russian aircraft carrier entering the Med was showing how Obama was being pushed around and that the Russians meant business, the sad reality is that this carrier has been a thorn in Russia’s side for as long as it has had it.

Are they still burning oily rags in the boilers?

Jayleia Dec 5, 2016 • 6:36:25am

re: #49 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Is not oily rags. Is advanced visual concealment device.

Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light)) Dec 5, 2016 • 6:37:31am

re: #50 Jayleia

Is not oily rags. Is advanced visual concealment device.

In Russia, screen smokes you!

lawhawk Dec 5, 2016 • 6:37:47am

re: #49 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Well, that’s how pilots are supposed to visually recognize that the carrier is nearby… /

Jayleia Dec 5, 2016 • 6:39:55am

BTW, I have watched this video about a half-dozen times in the past few days…

Meet Mischief – The New Warcraft Pet

A World of Warcraft pet, $10, all proceeds go to the Make-a-Wish Foundation, and it is adorbz.

Sir John Barron Dec 5, 2016 • 6:40:12am

re: #19 Single-handed sailor

To repeat what a friend said earlier tonight…

“holy shit, Westworld”

Yeah I’m still trying to sort out how I feel about it.

Overall, it was very good, very entertaining. They did a mostly good job of wrapping things up in about the way I kind of expected. But there are still some odd pieces laying around.

Jayleia Dec 5, 2016 • 6:42:00am

re: #52 lawhawk

The way I know a carrier is nearby is when I hear “Carrier has arrived”…

Belafon Dec 5, 2016 • 6:43:33am

re: #46 makeitstop

Scalzi’s Cinemax Theory always gets a reaction from Trumpers who swear they’re not racists.

And there’s a good conclusion in there: If you don’t like being called a racist, then imagine how to people who are about to be affected by Trump’s racist policies feel.

Franklin Dec 5, 2016 • 6:44:19am

re: #54 Sir John Barron

Yeah I’m still trying to sort out how I feel about it.

Overall, it was very good, very entertaining. They did a mostly good job of wrapping things up in about the way I kind of expected. But there are still some odd pieces laying around.

Loved the episode but you are right.

Click to Reveal

• Would love to know definitively that Elsie is dead, probably is at the hand of Bernard but she was a fan favorite that went out with a whimper
• Stubbs, gets bum-rushed and thats the last we see of him
• What/who was Ford creating in the secret lab under the house? If it was him to take the bullet at the end then I hate that kind of deception. Maybe they are going to see if Anthony Hopkins feels like a second season before they decide?

That being said my favorite part of the finale was William/Man-in-Black smiling when he got shot at the end. Like it was the first time he’s felt alive in years.

mmmirele Dec 5, 2016 • 6:57:08am

There is something hinky about this guy’s involvement in the kidnapping of Sherri Papini. The church he’s associated with also bears watching. (My response when I saw this: “Aw, Bethel’s on the periphery of this thing? Great.”) The church’s leadership was very supportive of Trump (even without the full endorsement).

thedailybeast.com

Emptor scriptor Remorse Dec 5, 2016 • 6:58:38am

Vibrant arts scene helped re-energize Oakland where 36 people perished, but fire spreads fear of crackdown

As they grieved for friends killed in the inferno at the Ghost Ship warehouse on 31st Avenue, artists, musicians and partygoers from east to west Oakland couldn’t help but worry about a backlash of building inspections at other warehouse collectives.

“There’s going to be a draconian overreaction to shut everything down,” said Dunn, 42, who has attended events at the collective in the Fruitvale neighborhood. “That would only add to the tragedy.”

“People are getting worried (the fire) is gonna be used against us,” said Katelyn Charvoz, of West Oakland. The 25-year-old said she’s been involved in the music/party scene since she was about 15. “The city’s gonna paint us as some ugly, crusty, punk kids that are up to no good. If they buy up all the warehouses on every street and kick everyone out, it will just hurt the arts community here.”

I think there is a word for this…

GlutenFreeJesus Dec 5, 2016 • 7:01:11am

re: #59 Emptor scriptor Remorse

But I thought regulations were bad?!

sagehen Dec 5, 2016 • 7:02:50am

re: #46 makeitstop

Scalzi’s Cinemax Theory always gets a reaction from Trumpers who swear they’re not racists.

As long as you’re feeding scalzi to Trumpers, point them also to

Straight white male: the lowest difficulty setting there is
whatever.scalzi.com

Sir John Barron Dec 5, 2016 • 7:04:27am

re: #57 Franklin

Loved the episode but you are right.

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Click to Reveal

Yeah, I hated them killing Elsie and not really following up about it. And the Theresa character who apparently was a host, but if so, why kill her? Why not just reprogram her if she was trying to get secrets out of the park? And why have Bernard kill himself in the prior episode? And while I appreciated the multiple time tracks with the William/M.I.B. character I can’t really make sense out of what the MIB dude was doing through all the prior episodes, if in the end, he just wanted the hosts to have greater freedom.

On the other hand, I did like that they made the Ford character’s agenda a bit more complex than it appeared to be at some earlier points, even earlier in this final episode. I hadn’t considered your point that Ford may have made a host version of himself for the final scene.

Backwoods_Sleuth Dec 5, 2016 • 7:13:42am

opinion piece in one of the area newspapers here in eastern Kentucky:

Trump supporters in for a rude awakening

(Betty, tell us how you really feel about Trump and his supporters…:D)

lawhawk Dec 5, 2016 • 7:14:14am

Right wing dumbassery after pointing out that Carson is unqualified to head HUD (and by his own admission at that).

.@lawhawk BHO had no presidential experience prior to his 1st term. Was in congress a very short time & prior to that a community organizer

— John A Stefani (@John_A_Stefani) December 5, 2016

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In all of US history, only one President had actual presidential experience when running for the WH. Grover Cleveland. Everyone else had no presidential experience because they were not president before that point. They had experience sufficient to be president, whether it was by being a US Senator, a General, or governor or representative in state/local legislatures, or were drafters of the US Constitution/Founders of the Nation.

Trump doesn’t have any of that. None. He doesn’t know/care what the Constitution says, and he’s clearly stated the only thing he seems to care about is shredding the 1A especially as it relates to criticism of his action.

So, claiming that Obama lacks experience shows that the fact-free nonsense continues to persist among the right wingers who support Trump mindlessly (or actively support Trump disabling the government’s ability to function with clearly incompetent/inexperienced personnel).

Targetpractice Dec 5, 2016 • 7:16:17am

re: #43 lawhawk

For the right wingers who were absolutely convinced that the Russian aircraft carrier entering the Med was showing how Obama was being pushed around and that the Russians meant business, the sad reality is that this carrier has been a thorn in Russia’s side for as long as it has had it.

It’s never lived up to its expectations, and it has spent more time at dock than patrolling. There’s a good reason for that, and those reasons also mean that pilots who fly on/off the ship lack the experience needed to handle sea-landings.

The ship has now lost two planes in the past month due to landing issues; one when the arrestor wire broke, and a second when the plane crashed short of the carrier:

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Apparently both are actually due to the same issue with the arrestor wires. The MiG-29K crashed last month because the system broke down (3 of 4 cables snapped) and they kept the notoriously short-legged fighter in a holding pattern while they tried to fix it then hesitated to guide him to an alternate landing strip. And now the Su-33 crashed when the wire it caught snapped and it went into the drink.

Hey China, you taking notes? This is how you don’t operate a carrier.

Anymouse Dec 5, 2016 • 7:17:30am

Ghana shuts down fake US Embassy that has been running for ten years.
washingtonpost.com

For a decade, an American flag flew outside a battered pink building in Ghana’s capital city, welcoming out-of-town visitors who, once inside, found a photo of President Obama hanging on the wall. Signs confirmed to travelers — who had been bused in from the most remote parts of West Africa — that they had arrived at the U.S. Embassy in Accra.

The “consular officers” working there were not Americans, but they spoke English and Dutch and issued official-looking visas and identification papers. They charged their customers $6,000.

Billboards and fliers advertised the official services.

But there was nothing official about them. The real U.S. Embassy in Accra is white, not pink, and it sits on a large piece of land inside security fences in one of the city’s wealthiest neighborhoods.

The battered building with the flag and Obama picture was a fake — ran by Ghanaian and Turkish organized crime rings and a Ghanaian lawyer practicing immigration and criminal law, the State Department said in a statement.

“For about a decade it operated unhindered,” the statement said. “The criminals running the operation were able to pay off corrupt officials to look the other way, as well as obtain legitimate blank documents to be doctored.”

More follows at the article. This case is really bizarre.

Belafon Dec 5, 2016 • 7:17:55am

re: #64 lawhawk

“But he has business experience!” I’m pretty sure you’d get as a reply.

“Yep, and he’s failed at it.”

The Vicious Babushka Dec 5, 2016 • 7:22:08am

re: #64 lawhawk

Right wing dumbassery after pointing out that Carson is unqualified to head HUD (and by his own admission at that).

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In all of US history, only one President had actual presidential experience when running for the WH. Grover Cleveland. Everyone else had no presidential experience because they were not president before that point. They had experience sufficient to be president, whether it was by being a US Senator, a General, or governor or representative in state/local legislatures, or were drafters of the US Constitution/Founders of the Nation.

Trump doesn’t have any of that. None. He doesn’t know/care what the Constitution says, and he’s clearly stated the only thing he seems to care about is shredding the 1A especially as it relates to criticism of his action.

So, claiming that Obama lacks experience shows that the fact-free nonsense continues to persist among the right wingers who support Trump mindlessly (or actively support Trump disabling the government’s ability to function with clearly incompetent/inexperienced personnel).

Wingnut dumbasses only “know” that Obama was a “community organizer” (whatever the fuck that even is) but don’t know he was an IL State Senator, a US Senator, and oh yeah A FREAKING CONSTITUTIONAL LAW PROFESSOR.

lawhawk Dec 5, 2016 • 7:22:18am

re: #65 Targetpractice

China appears to be taking lessons from how the US operates. Their first carrier is being used for training purposes, so that they can build a cadre of carrier pilots and crew who know how to operate the carrier, all while learning lessons to be incorporated in the next Chinese carrier, which is a home-built model based on the Liaoning (ex Varyag).

Anymouse Dec 5, 2016 • 7:22:23am

Kentucky newspaper op-ed tells Mr. Trump’s supporters they are going to be really disappointed.

maysville-online.com
(Goes to the Ledger-Independent

(Betty Coutant, Columnist)

It starts after a short intro (and o boy does it go on blast):

I have been accused of having sour grapes over the election, apparently a whole bunch of sour grapes.

Hmmm … sour grapes. Okay, that’s a term you could use, but I can think of better.

I am angry. I am livid. I think if you voted in favor of Trump, you voted against your country.

I think you may be the undoing of our constitutional form of government.

This has nothing to do with him being a “Republican” (he isn’t and you’re a fool for believing he really is).

I voted for Ronald Reagan, George H.W. Bush and George W. Bush, and I like them all even though I think Dubya killed people he didn’t have to. I believe he has a good heart.

I think Trump has a black heart and an ego that may eat the world. I’d trust my grandson to make better decisions.

The Vicious Babushka Dec 5, 2016 • 7:23:40am

#UPDATE Second Russian jet crashes in failed carrier landing near Syria https://t.co/fCW3XKMTf1

— AFP news agency (@AFP) December 5, 2016

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lawhawk Dec 5, 2016 • 7:24:31am

re: #68 The Vicious Babushka

Wingnut dumbasses only “know” that Obama was a “community organizer” (whatever the fuck that even is) but don’t know he was an IL State Senator, a US Senator, and oh yeah A FREAKING CONSTITUTIONAL LAW PROFESSOR.

A community organizer that somehow managed to guide the US to an economic recovery from the worst economic crisis since the Great Depression, helped save the auto industry and housing industry from imploding completely, and did so despite opposition on all matters by the GOP whose driving policy was obstructionism and preventing Obama from acting at all.

Oh, and Obama enacted the ACA, which is based on Romneycare and the Heritage Fdn’s central notion of personal responsibility for health care with the individual mandate (which the GOP turned around and claimed were unconstitutional).

Apocalypse Dec 5, 2016 • 7:26:01am

re: #48 The Vicious Babushka

So the rallies were in essence a safe space to spout BS and not be challenged on it.

No admins in IRL land.

Jayleia Dec 5, 2016 • 7:26:11am

re: #66 Anymouse

Ghana shuts down fake US Embassy that has been running for ten years.

More follows at the article. This case is really bizarre.

I…what? 10 years?! Tell me their business cards had a tagline “I can’t believe its an Embassy”

Backwoods_Sleuth Dec 5, 2016 • 7:32:55am

Here’s the issues section of Ben Carson’s campaign website. What’s missing? Any mention of housing or urban development. pic.twitter.com/0vbzeorpaU

— David Corn (@DavidCornDC) December 5, 2016

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Belafon Dec 5, 2016 • 7:37:55am

re: #46 makeitstop

Scalzi’s Cinemax Theory always gets a reaction from Trumpers who swear they’re not racists.

An additional thing he could add: Let’s say you have a favorite show, like Sherlock on BBC America. But the only way you can get BBCA is to subscribe to Playboy. Would you do it?

Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light)) Dec 5, 2016 • 7:40:32am

re: #59 Emptor scriptor Remorse

Vibrant arts scene helped re-energize Oakland where 36 people perished, but fire spreads fear of crackdown

I think there is a word for this…

I am happy for vibrant arts, but there are reasons for fire safety standards…

lawhawk Dec 5, 2016 • 7:42:13am

re: #77 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

One of the problems seems to have been only one entrance/exit, which meant that if it became blocked, there was no other means of escaping the fire. So, if there is a crackdown against these kinds of venues, it’s hopefully going to result in safer experiences for all those who go to them.

Targetpractice Dec 5, 2016 • 7:44:38am

“And next, we need a nominee for HUD…”

“HUD? That sounds like a military term. Find me another general.”

“Uh, it’s Housing and Urban Development, Don.”

“”Urban’ you say? Get Ben on the phone, this is perfect for him.”

“Don, he’s a brain surgeon, wouldn’t he be better as Surgeon General?”

“Look, I got here by knowing what the people want! And ‘urban’ people want a black guy in charge! Now go call Ben to congratulate him for the nomination!”

Eventual Carrion Dec 5, 2016 • 7:50:28am

re: #60 GlutenFreeJesus

But I thought regulations were bad?!

Four regulations good, two regulations bad

Backwoods_Sleuth Dec 5, 2016 • 7:59:47am

Stunning quote from head of NC GOP: “Whether there’s widespread voter fraud or not, the people believe there is.” https://t.co/POzIUo5qtS pic.twitter.com/Hvmfz1um78

— Ari Berman (@AriBerman) December 5, 2016

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electrotek Dec 5, 2016 • 8:00:24am

It just keeps getting worse

70 per cent of the building still needs to be searched, reports CNN. https://t.co/v3Hj4FaNCj

— FACT (@FACTmag) December 5, 2016

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Belafon Dec 5, 2016 • 8:01:25am

re: #81 Backwoods_Sleuth

Just because your guy lost doesn’t imply voter fraud.

Timothy Watson Dec 5, 2016 • 8:02:08am

re: #81 Backwoods_Sleuth

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“Massive” illegalities that managed to flip the Governor’s race but not help Clinton?

HappyWarrior Dec 5, 2016 • 8:02:38am

re: #81 Backwoods_Sleuth

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danarchy Dec 5, 2016 • 8:03:00am

re: #78 lawhawk

One of the problems seems to have been only one entrance/exit, which meant that if it became blocked, there was no other means of escaping the fire. So, if there is a crackdown against these kinds of venues, it’s hopefully going to result in safer experiences for all those who go to them.

Also the party was on the second floor and the only way up was a rickety staircase built out of old wooden pallets. What I am hearing about the setup, it sounds like it would be hard to design a better death trap intentionally.

Targetpractice Dec 5, 2016 • 8:03:12am

re: #81 Backwoods_Sleuth

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HappyWarrior Dec 5, 2016 • 8:03:16am

re: #83 Belafon

Just because your guy lost doesn’t imply voter fraud.

Man it would have been even worse if she had actually won. Shit.

Backwoods_Sleuth Dec 5, 2016 • 8:04:14am

INFOWARS: Millions voted illegally
TRUMP: Millions voted illegally
REINCE: Millions may have voted illegally
NCGOP: People doubt the system!

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HappyWarrior Dec 5, 2016 • 8:04:20am

re: #87 Targetpractice

But if you ask him about whether or not there should be a recount in states where Hillary lost by the equivalent of a handful of votes, he’ll shift gears without a clutch to tell you that the results are totally valid and anybody suggesting there was irregularities are trying to deny Trump’s victory.

That’s the thing isn’t it? They insist there’s fraud. And then when a recount is suggested, they reject that. No one sees anything inconsistent with that? Really, if I’m the media, that’s what I am calling out those who insist there was fraud on.

HappyWarrior Dec 5, 2016 • 8:05:31am

the GOP’s contempt for elected government couldn’t be more obvious. They just can’t accept that even though Trump won the EC, he’s the popular vote loser. Sorry guys but it’s a goddamn fact that you’ve only won the popular vote once since 1992.

Targetpractice Dec 5, 2016 • 8:06:31am

re: #90 HappyWarrior

That’s the thing isn’t it? They insist there’s fraud. And then when a recount is suggested, they reject that. No one sees anything inconsistent with that? Really, if I’m the media, that’s what I am calling out those who insist there was fraud on.

When Gore wanted a recount, they called him a sore loser and knocked him for wanting a recount in a certain fashion in the hopes that he could scare up enough votes to shift the result, calling it everything from “illegal” to “unconstitutional.”

But, you know, IOKIYAR.

Blind Frog Belly White Dec 5, 2016 • 8:06:46am

re: #72 lawhawk

A community organizer that somehow managed to guide the US to an economic recovery from the worst economic crisis since the Great Depression, helped save the auto industry and housing industry from imploding completely, and did so despite opposition on all matters by the GOP whose driving policy was obstructionism and preventing Obama from acting at all.

Oh, and Obama enacted the ACA, which is based on Romneycare and the Heritage Fdn’s central notion of personal responsibility for health care with the individual mandate (which the GOP turned around and claimed were unconstitutional).

The other thing about Obama being a Community Organizer is that it was what he did between college and law school, for 3 years. By that measure, I suppose, it’s fair to call me a fruit processing plant worker, since that’s what I did between college and my one year in grad school.

Eventual Carrion Dec 5, 2016 • 8:07:42am

re: #89 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Yet we can’t even audit the election results to, you know, pinpoint where/how this MASSIVE voter fraud happened to keep it from happening again.

We're Way Beyond Snark Dec 5, 2016 • 8:09:47am

re: #64 lawhawk

In all of US history, only one President had actual presidential experience when running for the WH. Grover Cleveland.

You’re forgetting Lyndon Johnson. :)

Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light)) Dec 5, 2016 • 8:09:56am

re: #93 Blind Frog Belly White

The other thing about Obama being a Community Organizer is that it was what he did between college and law school, for 3 years. By that measure, I suppose, it’s fair to call me a fruit processing plant worker, since that’s what I did between college and my one year in grad school.

Nobody was about to recognize his accomplishments…coming from a non-privileged background, working hard and applying himself until he won the highest elective office in the country, where he was an exemplary father and family man…in other words, a textbook illustration of the American Dream come true and confirmation of what conservatives try to sell us when they thump their chests and swear allegiance to One Nation Under God.

But instead we get him called a Kenyan usurper, affirmative-action slacker, secret Muslim, etc.

Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light)) Dec 5, 2016 • 8:10:17am

re: #95 We’re Way Beyond Snark

You’re forgetting Lyndon Johnson. :)

Harry Truman

HappyWarrior Dec 5, 2016 • 8:11:44am

re: #92 Targetpractice

When Gore wanted a recount, they called him a sore loser and knocked him for wanting a recount in a certain fashion in the hopes that he could scare up enough votes to shift the result, calling it everything from “illegal” to “unconstitutional.”

But, you know, IOKIYAR.

Yep, I remember “Sore Loserman” quite well but it’s perfectly okay for Trump to claim there was fraud. Man this shit just pisses me off.

lawhawk Dec 5, 2016 • 8:12:40am

re: #95 We’re Way Beyond Snark

Not counting the VPs who became president and then ran for the office again.

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HappyWarrior Dec 5, 2016 • 8:14:45am

re: #93 Blind Frog Belly White

The other thing about Obama being a Community Organizer is that it was what he did between college and law school, for 3 years. By that measure, I suppose, it’s fair to call me a fruit processing plant worker, since that’s what I did between college and my one year in grad school.

Right, he wasn’t a career community organizer*
*Not that there’s anything wrong with being a community organizer.

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lawhawk Dec 5, 2016 • 8:14:47am

Trump supporter on Carson’s lack of experience. Hey anyone can pick up a book.

Right. Decades of studying housing policy, urban policy, etc., can be gleaned from a book.

Hey, lemme crack open a book on neurosurgery and I’ll be able to perform brain surgery in no time. After all, anyone can learn from a book especially if you stay at a Holiday Inn Express.

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electrotek Dec 5, 2016 • 8:15:21am

re: #95 We’re Way Beyond Snark

You’re forgetting Lyndon Johnson. :)

Same man that once infamously uttered “Fuck your parliament and your constitution” to the Greek Ambassador in 1964.

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Backwoods_Sleuth Dec 5, 2016 • 8:15:53am

If the press would cover me accurately & honorably, I would have far less reason to “tweet.” Sadly, I don’t know if that will ever happen!

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) December 5, 2016

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four years of this yet to come…

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HappyWarrior Dec 5, 2016 • 8:16:04am

re: #99 lawhawk

Not counting the VPs who became president and then ran for the office again.

I thought that was more in tribute to how brilliantly LBJ understood the Presidency due to being Majority Leader. Anyhow, Obama was an elected official when he was elected. He was a Senator and before that a State Senator and a law professor. Dismissing him as a mere community organizer is pretty damn dishonest.

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Targetpractice Dec 5, 2016 • 8:16:45am

re: #101 lawhawk

Trump supporter on Carson’s lack of experience. Hey anyone can pick up a book.

Right. Decades of studying housing policy, urban policy, etc., can be gleaned from a book.

Hey, lemme crack open a book on neurosurgery and I’ll be able to perform brain surgery in no time. After all, anyone can learn from a book especially if you stay at a Holiday Inn Express.

God, the confirmation hearings for the coming Trump admin are gonna be an absolute shit-show. I mean, it goes without saying that most if not all of his nominees will be confirmed. But if the DNC does not run these assholes through the wringer and pressure the GOP to do the same, then we as a party are well and truly fucked.

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HappyWarrior Dec 5, 2016 • 8:16:59am

re: #103 Backwoods_Sleuth

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four years of this yet to come…

This guy makes Nixon look like a grown up when it comes to the complaining about the press.

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Belafon Dec 5, 2016 • 8:17:24am

re: #103 Backwoods_Sleuth

four years of this yet to come…

Sorry, Donald, “fairly and accurately” does not mean “the way I want to be covered,” except maybe on Fox.

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HappyWarrior Dec 5, 2016 • 8:18:04am

The attacks on community organizers pissed me off big time and there was even a certain lizard that had no problem with them because he had something against CO’s for some reason.

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Targetpractice Dec 5, 2016 • 8:18:12am

re: #103 Backwoods_Sleuth

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four years of this yet to come…

The man is a textbook example for psych students on DARVO.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light)) Dec 5, 2016 • 8:18:28am

re: #103 Backwoods_Sleuth

If the press would cover me accurately & honorably, I would have far less reason to “tweet.” Sadly, I don’t know if that will ever happen!…

DT himself being the sole arbiter of accuracy and honor…

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We're Way Beyond Snark Dec 5, 2016 • 8:18:52am

re: #106 HappyWarrior

This guy makes Nixon look like a grown up when it comes to the complaining about the press.

Well, we don’t know what a Nixon treetstorm would have looked like.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light)) Dec 5, 2016 • 8:19:07am

re: #101 lawhawk

Trump supporter on Carson’s lack of experience. Hey anyone can pick up a book.

Right. Decades of studying housing policy, urban policy, etc., can be gleaned from a book.

Hey, lemme crack open a book on neurosurgery and I’ll be able to perform brain surgery in no time. After all, anyone can learn from a book especially if you stay at a Holiday Inn Express.

This is the attitude that an untainted outsider will do a better job than any “elitist” expert.

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The Vicious Babushka Dec 5, 2016 • 8:22:32am

re: #97 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Harry Truman

Gerald Ford

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HappyWarrior Dec 5, 2016 • 8:23:09am

re: #111 We’re Way Beyond Snark

Well, we don’t know what a Nixon treetstorm would have looked like.

Heh that would be something, wouldn’t it?

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The Vicious Babushka Dec 5, 2016 • 8:24:27am

re: #104 HappyWarrior

I thought that was more in tribute to how brilliantly LBJ understood the Presidency due to being Majority Leader. Anyhow, Obama was an elected official when he was elected. He was a Senator and before that a State Senator and a law professor. Dismissing him as a mere community organizer is pretty damn dishonest.

That is pretty much all we heard from the wingnut swarms. I don’t think they even knew he had a bunch of other stuff on his resume.

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ObserverArt Dec 5, 2016 • 8:27:24am

So, are we now to judge everything by “what we think” instead of by factual reality?

I need to know so I can recalibrate.

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Eventual Carrion Dec 5, 2016 • 8:27:49am

re: #103 Backwoods_Sleuth

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He threatens to sue if they report on him accurately and honestly. The man is deranged and dangerous.

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HappyWarrior Dec 5, 2016 • 8:28:18am

re: #115 The Vicious Babushka

That is pretty much all we heard from the wingnut swarms. I don’t think they even knew he had a bunch of other stuff on his resume.

Well as I recall, they dismissed the Constitutional Law professor stuff while claiming he did not understand the Constitution.

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lawhawk Dec 5, 2016 • 8:29:04am

re: #112 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Yep. Starting to get responses on exactly that point too - who needs political hacks. We need outsiders. Right. Because they know the truth… or some such BS.

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HappyWarrior Dec 5, 2016 • 8:30:39am

re: #119 lawhawk

Yep. Starting to get responses on exactly that point too - who needs political hacks. We need outsiders. Right. Because they know the truth… or some such BS.

Maybe they can get Tom Brady to perform their surgery next time they need it since hey he’s an outsider. Or maybe get Ted Nugent to run the Marines since hey outsider. The whole we need outsiders is just the worst element of populism in government.

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The Vicious Babushka Dec 5, 2016 • 8:30:49am

re: #118 HappyWarrior

Well as I recall, they dismissed the Constitutional Law professor stuff while claiming he did not understand the Constitution.

And shared memes showing him burning, tearing up, trampling on the Constitution. What did he do to actually accomplish that? Other than Being POTUS While 3/5 of a Person.

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HappyWarrior Dec 5, 2016 • 8:31:55am

re: #121 The Vicious Babushka

And shared memes showing him burning, tearing up, trampling on the Constitution. What did he do to actually accomplish that? Other than Being POTUS While 3/5 of a Person.

And then they support the guy who literally has a problem with the 1st amendment and has talked about weakening it and they cheer because they hate the press that much. Goddamned fools.

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makeitstop Dec 5, 2016 • 8:34:24am

re: #103 Backwoods_Sleuth

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four years of this yet to come…

What a baby.

In other news - one of my Facebook wingnuts is chirping that he’s ‘actually saying Merry Christmas’ to people this year and there have been ‘no problems at all.’

These people are so desperate to hang their hats on something that will signify Trump making everything better. Pretty pathetic.

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lawhawk Dec 5, 2016 • 8:36:25am

re: #123 makeitstop

What a baby.

In other news - one of my Facebook wingnuts is chirping that he’s ‘actually saying Merry Christmas’ to people this year and there have been ‘no problems at all.’

These people are so desperate to hang their hats on something that will signify Trump making everything better. Pretty pathetic.

This past Friday, there was a gaggle of people outside my office building, saying Merry Christmas to whoever walked out the door. And I was very close to responding Merry frickin’ Hannukah to you too, especially since they were trying to hand people flyers for something or other.

What war on Christmas. With Trump, it’s a war on the 1A.

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HappyWarrior Dec 5, 2016 • 8:36:33am

re: #123 makeitstop

What a baby.

In other news - one of my Facebook wingnuts is chirping that he’s ‘actually saying Merry Christmas’ to people this year and there have been ‘no problems at all.’

These people are so desperate to hang their hats on something that will signify Trump making everything better. Pretty pathetic.

I’ve never been bothered by someone saying Merry Christmas to me. In fact, if I know someone celebrates Christmas as I do, I probably do say that, I might add the Happy Holidays too in case I know I won’t see them until after the New Year. They really do waste their time on the most trivial shit but hey SJWs are awful aren’t they. // Better a SJW than a stupid wingnut baby who cries about coffee cups.

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electrotek Dec 5, 2016 • 8:37:28am

re: #123 makeitstop

What a baby.

In other news - one of my Facebook wingnuts is chirping that he’s ‘actually saying Merry Christmas’ to people this year and there have been ‘no problems at all.’

These people are so desperate to hang their hats on something that will signify Trump making everything better. Pretty pathetic.

On another note, I’ve seen some of my right-leaning Christian friends share a Facebook video about fake news using the example of Sweden Christmas and Muslims, imploring others to scrutinize and research before sharing something that is too good to be true, and I found that quite heartening.

Maybe there is hope after all, proving that you can be a conservative and still be against bigotry.

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sagehen Dec 5, 2016 • 8:37:37am

re: #78 lawhawk

One of the problems seems to have been only one entrance/exit, which meant that if it became blocked, there was no other means of escaping the fire. So, if there is a crackdown against these kinds of venues, it’s hopefully going to result in safer experiences for all those who go to them.

People who used to hang out there have said that the layout was always confusing and maze-like; even under calm circumstances in daylight, finding your way out was a difficult thing.

(also? those artist and their paintings? It’s worth remembering that paint and turpentine and other artist supplies are *extremely* flammable, and emit heavy smoke and toxic chemicals. I’d give odds that the autopsies are going to show nobody burned to death, they breathed in enough poison to be dead before the flames ever got to them.)

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gocart mozart Dec 5, 2016 • 8:37:57am

Even his grown children! pic.twitter.com/KADQjFnwIq

— Roy Edroso (@edroso) December 5, 2016

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@edroso I’m surprised that let us criticize George H. W. Bush’s grown child.

— gocart mozart (@gocartmozart1) December 5, 2016

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Belafon Dec 5, 2016 • 8:40:40am

re: #123 makeitstop

What a baby.

In other news - one of my Facebook wingnuts is chirping that he’s ‘actually saying Merry Christmas’ to people this year and there have been ‘no problems at all.’

These people are so desperate to hang their hats on something that will signify Trump making everything better. Pretty pathetic.

How many times did he get attacked for saying “Merry Christmas”? I bet the answer’s less than one.

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The Vicious Babushka Dec 5, 2016 • 8:41:22am

Pence went on air and said Trump’s statement about millions of illegal votes was “refreshing.” No. Lies aren’t refreshing. They’re lies.

— George Takei (@GeorgeTakei) December 5, 2016

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sagehen Dec 5, 2016 • 8:41:44am

re: #92 Targetpractice

When Gore wanted a recount, they called him a sore loser and knocked him for wanting a recount in a certain fashion in the hopes that he could scare up enough votes to shift the result, calling it everything from “illegal” to “unconstitutional.”

But, you know, IOKIYAR.

See also, Norm Coleman v Al Franken. It took until July for Franken to get seated; a woman who got pregnant on election night would have delivered her baby by then.

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Jayleia Dec 5, 2016 • 8:41:58am

re: #123 makeitstop

I would be having problems about him making a point about not having problems. I am an atheist, but I’m not a dick about it…

I GIVE NO FUCKS AT ALL ABOUT HOW OR EVEN WHETHER YOU WISH SOMEONE SOME VERSION OF HAPPY <INSERT HOLIDAY HERE>!

JUST WISH THEM A HAPPY <INSERT HOLIDAY HERE> AND BE DONE WITH IT. If they are annoyed with your choice of <INSERT HOLIDAY HERE>, apologize and move on.

Sweet Jesus fucking Christ…how did this country survive this long when fully 1/4 of the population can’t even figure THAT much out?

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Blind Frog Belly White Dec 5, 2016 • 8:42:08am

re: #118 HappyWarrior

Well as I recall, they dismissed the Constitutional Law professor stuff while claiming he did not understand the Constitution.

And of course, because he’s black, and a Democrat, there’s no way he accomplished anything on his own without Affirmative Action pushing him ahead of more qualified white guys.

I had a discussion a few weeks back with my wingnut cousin and one of his wingnut friends. At one point the brought up the whole ‘Democratic Plantation’ thing. I tried to explain to them just how racist that idea is, that 90% of blacks vote Democratic because of ‘Free Stuff’ that is available to everyone, which the majority of them don’t even use, and how insulting and racist it is to say that blacks are not capable of determining which party best represents their interests, and that to say that 90% of blacks vote Democratic because they’re stuck in ‘a cycle of dependency’ ignores the fact that most blacks DO NOT live in poverty.

But they’re stuck in the idea that blacks, except maybe that guy they know, all live on welfare in the inner cities. And they can’t grasp that blacks ARE Democrats, that they form a substantial portion of the party.

Such willful ignorance. Makes me think we as a country are doomed till these fuckers are completely submerged, demographically.

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HappyWarrior Dec 5, 2016 • 8:44:20am

re: #133 Blind Frog Belly White

And of course, because he’s black, and a Democrat, there’s no way he accomplished anything on his own without Affirmative Action pushing him ahead of more qualified white guys.

I had a discussion a few weeks back with my wingnut cousin and one of his wingnut friends. At one point the brought up the whole ‘Democratic Plantation’ thing. I tried to explain to them just how racist that idea is, that 90% of blacks vote Democratic because of ‘Free Stuff’ that is available to everyone, which the majority of them don’t even use, and how insulting and racist it is to say that blacks are not capable of determining which party best represents their interests, and that to say that 90% of blacks vote Democratic because they’re stuck in ‘a cycle of dependency’ ignores the fact that most blacks DO NOT live in poverty.

But they’re stuck in the idea that blacks, except maybe that guy they know, all live on welfare in the inner cities. And they can’t grasp that blacks ARE Democrats, that they form a substantial portion of the party.

Such willful ignorance. Makes me think we as a country are doomed till these fuckers are completely submerged, demographically.

The most pathetic thing to me is when they try to “educate” African-Americans by telling them that the GOP was Abraham Lincoln’s party and African-Americans should support the GOP because of that and other things. The way they treat the African-American community is so damn insulting. And yeah the Dem Plantation bit is the worst. These are people who vote Democratic out of their own free will. They’re not slaves and comparing political allegiance to slavery is a bullshit move.

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The Vicious Babushka Dec 5, 2016 • 8:46:51am

re: #134 HappyWarrior

The most pathetic thing to me is when they try to “educate” African-Americans by telling them that the GOP was Abraham Lincoln’s party and African-Americans should support the GOP because of that and other things. The way they treat the African-American community is so damn insulting. And yeah the Dem Plantation bit is the worst. These are people who vote Democratic out of their own free will. They’re not slaves and comparing political allegiance to slavery is a bullshit move.

And of course Trump’s “WHAT HAVE YOU GOT TO LOSE!!!!”

Which in fact turns out they have all this to lose:
1. Voting rights
2. Access to good education
3. Medicaid
4. Medicare
5. Not living in a police state

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gocart mozart Dec 5, 2016 • 8:48:57am

@jbouie
Fortunately public/private real estate grifts are notoriously difficult to pull off.

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HappyWarrior Dec 5, 2016 • 8:49:37am

Carson may be the worst Trump pick yet and that’s saying something. A man who has never served in government, unqualified by his own admission, and someone who knows nothing about housing. He’s not qualified to run a locality’s housing department. I mean if Trump wanted to appoint him Surgeon General or even HHS, I wouldn’t like it obviously but it would make sense. Carson doesn’t know anything about housing policy in this country.

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Blind Frog Belly White Dec 5, 2016 • 8:51:11am

re: #137 HappyWarrior

Carson may be the worst Trump pick yet and that’s saying something. A man who has never served in government, unqualified by his own admission, and someone who knows nothing about housing. He’s not qualified to run a locality’s housing department. I mean if Trump wanted to appoint him Surgeon General or even HHS, I wouldn’t like it obviously but it would make sense. Carson doesn’t know anything about housing policy in this country.

In Trump’s mind “Urban” = “Black”, and Carson is “That Black Guy I Know”, so of course that means he’s the perfect guy for the job.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light)) Dec 5, 2016 • 8:51:28am

re: #137 HappyWarrior

Carson may be the worst Trump pick yet and that’s saying something. A man who has never served in government, unqualified by his own admission, and someone who knows nothing about housing. He’s not qualified to run a locality’s housing department. I mean if Trump wanted to appoint him Surgeon General or even HHS, I wouldn’t like it obviously but it would make sense. Carson doesn’t know anything about housing policy in this country.

Re-introduce redlining and deed covenants…

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HappyWarrior Dec 5, 2016 • 8:52:06am

I still remember Rand Paul going to Howard and “shocking” the student body by telling them that the founders of the NAACP were Republicans. African-Americans know that the GOP was once supportive of them. They also know that in the 60’s the GOP drew a line in the sand and stated they’d prefer the support of Strom Thurmond over people like MLK.

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HappyWarrior Dec 5, 2016 • 8:52:27am

re: #138 Blind Frog Belly White

In Trump’s mind “Urban” = “Black”, and Carson is “That Black Guy I Know”, so of course that means he’s the perfect guy for the job.

Pretty much.

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HappyWarrior Dec 5, 2016 • 8:52:49am

Gah and so help me but they’re going to call anyone opposed to Carson’s nomination as racist.

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gocart mozart Dec 5, 2016 • 8:54:28am

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Belafon Dec 5, 2016 • 8:55:09am

re: #142 HappyWarrior

Gah and so help me but they’re going to call anyone opposed to Carson’s nomination as racist.

“So, explain why Carson, who is a neurosurgeon, isn’t being nominated for HHS or Surgeon General.”

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Targetpractice Dec 5, 2016 • 8:56:22am

re: #142 HappyWarrior

Gah and so help me but they’re going to call anyone opposed to Carson’s nomination as racist.

Of course they are.

“The man is completely and utterly unqualified for the position.”

“It’s because he’s black, isn’t it?

“No, his race has nothing to do with it.”

“But if he wasn’t black, you’d be cool with his nomination, right?”

“No, because he has no idea how to execute the responsibilities of the job!”

“Oh, so because he’s black, he’s too stupid for the job, is that what you’re saying?”

“AAARRRGGGHHH!!!”

“Just admit I’m right because all you liberals are racists!”

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Colère Tueur de Lapin Dec 5, 2016 • 8:56:38am

re: #144 Belafon

“So, explain why Carson, who is a neurosurgeon, isn’t being nominated for HHS or Surgeon General.”

Those of us who work in HHS don’t want a half-wit running the show. He shouldn’t be in any cabinet position.

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sagehen Dec 5, 2016 • 8:57:16am

re: #134 HappyWarrior

The most pathetic thing to me is when they try to “educate” African-Americans by telling them that the GOP was Abraham Lincoln’s party and African-Americans should support the GOP because of that and other things. The way they treat the African-American community is so damn insulting. And yeah the Dem Plantation bit is the worst. These are people who vote Democratic out of their own free will. They’re not slaves and comparing political allegiance to slavery is a bullshit move.

After the Civil War, African-Americans DID support the GOP for more than sixty years. They were monolithically Republican because “party of Lincoln yay”.

Until 1927. The Mississippi River was having one of those slow-moving floods, see it coming weeks ahead, and President Coolidge sent his Secretary to Commerce (Herbert Hoover) to coordinate the federal response. His actions and choices during that episode is what turned black Americans into Democrats.

Decades later Eisenhower was able to win back about 1/3 of them; but LBJ and Goldwater made that a short-lived thing.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light)) Dec 5, 2016 • 8:57:23am

re: #146 Colère Tueur de Lapin

Those of us who work in HHS don’t want a half-wit running the show. He shouldn’t be in any cabinet position.

idiot savant is a better term

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HappyWarrior Dec 5, 2016 • 8:58:02am

re: #147 sagehen

After the Civil War, African-Americans DID support the GOP for more than sixty years. They were monolithically Republican because “party of Lincoln yay”.

Until 1927. The Mississippi River was having one of those slow-moving floods, see it coming weeks ahead, and President Coolidge sent his Secretary to Commerce (Herbert Hoover) to coordinate the federal response. His actions and choices during that episode is what turned black Americans into Democrats.

Yeah the origins of African-Americans going ot the Democratic Party happened in that flood.

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HappyWarrior Dec 5, 2016 • 8:59:13am

re: #146 Colère Tueur de Lapin

Those of us who work in HHS don’t want a half-wit running the show. He shouldn’t be in any cabinet position.

Absolutely. The guy by all accounts is a capable neurosurgeon. Okay, that’s admirable but that doesn’t mean he should be in a presidential cabinet especially with the knowledge or there lack of he showed in the debates. What a joke of an appointment this is.

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HappyWarrior Dec 5, 2016 • 8:59:35am

re: #145 Targetpractice

Of course they are.

“The man is completely and utterly unqualified for the position.”

“It’s because he’s black, isn’t it?

“No, his race has nothing to do with it.”

“But if he wasn’t black, you’d be cool with his nomination, right?”

“No, because he has no idea how to execute the responsibilities of the job!”

“Oh, so because he’s black, he’s too stupid for the job, is that what you’re saying?”

“AAARRRGGGHHH!!!”

“Just admit I’m right because all you liberals are racists!”

Yep, it’s what they do whenever a Democrat opposes a minority conservative.

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Blind Frog Belly White Dec 5, 2016 • 8:59:45am

re: #148 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

idiot savant is a better term

According to my brother the Nurse Anesthetist, Carson is the perfect example of a Neurosurgeon - a great meat mechanic who thinks that makes him smarter than everyone else, about everything else.

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Colère Tueur de Lapin Dec 5, 2016 • 9:01:24am

How do you get a surgeon to open a textbook?

Put a $100 bill inside it.

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gocart mozart Dec 5, 2016 • 9:01:29am

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makeitstop Dec 5, 2016 • 9:03:55am

re: #129 Belafon

How many times did he get attacked for saying “Merry Christmas”? I bet the answer’s less than one.

Exactly. The dude is blowing smoke.

Like I said, he’s pretty desperate to mention something positive about this impending shit show.

What’s even worse is his wingnut friends are all ‘That’s great - finally we have freedom of speech again.’ Morons, every last one of them.

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HappyWarrior Dec 5, 2016 • 9:04:57am

By comparision:
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en.wikipedia.org

Both Obama and Bush’s HUD secretaries had extensive experience with housing. This really is a terrible pick and another example of why Trump himself is unqualified.

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electrotek Dec 5, 2016 • 9:04:57am

Wingnuts should give Obama credit for making this possible:

Shinzo Abe to visit Pearl Harbor later this month, becoming the first Japanese leader to visit since the attack https://t.co/4PFbOYdEDK

— Washington Post (@washingtonpost) December 5, 2016

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gocart mozart Dec 5, 2016 • 9:05:20am

This are emergency times so Democrats need something new: a leader of the opposition. I argue the case here: https://t.co/ln56yz9FQ4

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lawhawk Dec 5, 2016 • 9:05:50am

Flynn’s son had previously peddled conspiracies claiming Marco Rubio was a closeted homosexual who abused cocaine. https://t.co/iFqzaBdLT2 pic.twitter.com/p40Ohe7uQo

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Jayleia Dec 5, 2016 • 9:06:14am

re: #152 Blind Frog Belly White

So, basically, this guy…

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HappyWarrior Dec 5, 2016 • 9:06:16am

re: #157 electrotek

Wingnuts should give Obama credit for making this possible:

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They won’t. That’s a huge deal though. And that’s what they don’t get about the statements Obama made in regards to Hiroshima and Nagasaki. And it’s nuance like this that Trump nor his Secretary of State will never get.

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HappyWarrior Dec 5, 2016 • 9:06:50am

re: #159 lawhawk

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Flynn’s son is an Alex Jones fanboy.

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Belafon Dec 5, 2016 • 9:10:00am

re: #160 Jayleia

So, basically, this guy…

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At least that guy changed by the end.

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Colère Tueur de Lapin Dec 5, 2016 • 9:11:47am

re: #160 Jayleia

What game is that from and who is it?

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Belafon Dec 5, 2016 • 9:12:41am

re: #164 Colère Tueur de Lapin

What game is that from and who is it?

That’s from Doctor Strange.

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lawhawk Dec 5, 2016 • 9:13:16am

re: #164 Colère Tueur de Lapin

Benedict Cumberbatch from Marvel’s Doctor Strange. He plays the title character of Doctor Stephen Strange - a brain surgeon who gets into a car crash that severely damages his hands, and he goes on a search to find a cure, and finds spiritual enlightenment along the way.

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Jayleia Dec 5, 2016 • 9:13:28am

re: #163 Belafon

Although, Doctor Strange was a lot more…lively and animated than Dr. Ben “Sleepy” Carson

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Targetpractice Dec 5, 2016 • 9:13:51am

And (of course) the GOP will think that by supporting Carson’s nomination and defending him from criticism, they look good to the black community. “We’re sticking up for the black guy, that’s gotta win us brownie points!” re: #157 electrotek

Wingnuts should give Obama credit for making this possible:

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They’re not, they’re liable to instead bitch if Abe doesn’t drop to his knees and beg forgiveness for Japan ever raising a hand to us.

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Jayleia Dec 5, 2016 • 9:14:54am

re: #166 lawhawk

~~spiritual enlightenment~~ becomes a badass along the way.

*ahem*

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electrotek Dec 5, 2016 • 9:16:17am

re: #161 HappyWarrior

They won’t. That’s a huge deal though. And that’s what they don’t get about the statements Obama made in regards to Hiroshima and Nagasaki. And it’s nuance like this that Trump nor his Secretary of State will never get.

re: #168 Targetpractice

Ironic thing is that this will actually anger Japanese conservatives even more, who believe in their own fairy tales about their role in World War 2.

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HappyWarrior Dec 5, 2016 • 9:18:03am

re: #170 electrotek

Ironic thing is that this will actually anger Japanese conservatives even more, who believe in their own fairy tales about their role in World War 2.

Yeah, that’s what I point out when we try to deny our history that it’s something we dislike in the Japanese right denying or minimizing what was done in WWII or the Turks denying the Armenian genocide.

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Targetpractice Dec 5, 2016 • 9:18:41am

BREAKING: North Carolina Gov. McCrory concedes he lost re-election bid, clearing way for Democrat Cooper to be declared winner.

— The Associated Press (@AP) December 5, 2016

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NC GOP bitches about voter fraud, hour later McCrory throws in the towel. I guess there was no way they could recount the votes that wouldn’t just extend Cooper’s lead.

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HappyWarrior Dec 5, 2016 • 9:19:15am

Well I have a neat work from home assignment today. I’m to learn a lot about Google Earth. Stupid question but you can access businesses in real time on GE? I’m only really familiar with Google Earth’s basics.

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HappyWarrior Dec 5, 2016 • 9:19:55am

re: #172 Targetpractice

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NC GOP bitches about voter fraud, hour later McCrory throws in the towel. I guess there was no way they count recount the votes that wouldn’t just extend Cooper’s lead.

Good. McCrory was a world class shithead for scapegoating Transpeople for votes.

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Belafon Dec 5, 2016 • 9:21:04am

re: #173 HappyWarrior

Well I have a neat work from home assignment today. I’m to learn a lot about Google Earth. Stupid question but you can access businesses in real time on GE? I’m only really familiar with Google Earth’s basics.

What do you mean by “access businesses in real time”?

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light)) Dec 5, 2016 • 9:22:15am

re: #173 HappyWarrior

Well I have a neat work from home assignment today. I’m to learn a lot about Google Earth. Stupid question but you can access businesses in real time on GE? I’m only really familiar with Google Earth’s basics.

Do you mean to see what is going on in or outside a store in real time? I think not, they have “street view” but that is only a still photo taken at some recent point in time.

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HappyWarrior Dec 5, 2016 • 9:22:23am

re: #175 Belafon

What do you mean by “access businesses in real time”?

Like the buildings and such. Say that business is a lot for a car dealership. I want to know if one can use GE to view changes in a short amount of time.

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HappyWarrior Dec 5, 2016 • 9:22:48am

re: #176 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Do you mean to see what is going on in or outside a store in real time? I think not, they have “street view” but that is only a still photo taken at some recent point in time.

Yeah, that’s what I thought. I wonder how often they update Street View.

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The Vicious Babushka Dec 5, 2016 • 9:22:56am

re: #147 sagehen

After the Civil War, African-Americans DID support the GOP for more than sixty years. They were monolithically Republican because “party of Lincoln yay”.

Until 1927. The Mississippi River was having one of those slow-moving floods, see it coming weeks ahead, and President Coolidge sent his Secretary to Commerce (Herbert Hoover) to coordinate the federal response. His actions and choices during that episode is what turned black Americans into Democrats.

Decades later Eisenhower was able to win back about 1/3 of them; but LBJ and Goldwater made that a short-lived thing.

Martin Luther King Jr. WOULD NEVER SUPPORT TRUMP #tcot #UniteBlue #BlackLivesMatter pic.twitter.com/s0nFlROtN7 https://t.co/QzAsH0po09

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lawhawk Dec 5, 2016 • 9:23:11am

About damned time.

BREAKING: North Carolina Gov. McCrory concedes he lost re-election bid, clearing way for Democrat Cooper to be declared winner.

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Still have to watch that McCrory doesn’t try to pack the court with a bunch of right wing extremists or other actions on his way out the door.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light)) Dec 5, 2016 • 9:23:30am

re: #177 HappyWarrior

Like the buildings and such. Say that business is a lot for a car dealership. I want to know if one can use GE to view changes in a short amount of time.

I do not know how often they update their Street View photos, but given the number of streets to view, it cannot be all too often.

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HappyWarrior Dec 5, 2016 • 9:25:12am

re: #179 The Vicious Babushka

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Reagan only reluctantly signed the MLK birthday holiday I believe. Hell it may have been overturned by a majority in Congress. Thing is about civil rights, it wasn’t so much about party but about ideology, Liberals from both parties were the strongest supporters of Civil Rights. And that’s a historical fact. A lot of the Conservative Dems who opposed Civil Rights later became Republicans.

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Belafon Dec 5, 2016 • 9:25:33am

re: #177 HappyWarrior

Like the buildings and such. Say that business is a lot for a car dealership. I want to know if one can use GE to view changes in a short amount of time.

No. Google Street View involves Google driving vans with cameras mounted everywhere driving around. I suspect their priority is on getting new streets mapped over dealing with existing roads, though I suspect they update any road they have to drive down.

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HappyWarrior Dec 5, 2016 • 9:26:06am

re: #181 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I do not know how often they update their Street View photos, but given the number of streets to view, it cannot be all too often.

Yeah I was thinking the same as well. Hmmm. Definitely think it’s a good thing for a business to have though. My boss wanted me to look at GE and see if it would be a good thing to recommend to clients to use.

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The Vicious Babushka Dec 5, 2016 • 9:26:45am

re: #181 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I do not know how often they update their Street View photos, but given the number of streets to view, it cannot be all too often.

I just check my own address on Google Street view and there is a car parked in front that we have not owned since 2014.

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HappyWarrior Dec 5, 2016 • 9:26:53am

re: #183 Belafon

No. Google Street View involves Google driving vans with cameras mounted everywhere driving around. I suspect their priority is on getting new streets mapped over dealing with existing roads, though I suspect they update any road they have to drive down.

Thanks, that does make sense. That’s what I suspected.

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HappyWarrior Dec 5, 2016 • 9:27:50am

re: #185 The Vicious Babushka

I just check my own address on Google Street view and there is a car parked in front that we have not owned since 2014.

My own home isn’t on Street View. I do like Street View. I’ve used it to see what the childhood homes of my grandparents look like presently.

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Belafon Dec 5, 2016 • 9:28:47am

Thinking about HUD. Maybe the 2020 party can propose repurposing the department to development over the entire country, and change the name. This would be a department in charge of getting fiber to every home in the country, and every school. It could be in charge of helping businesses find optimal locations that aren’t necessarily right up against a major urban area. Etc.

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Stanley Sea Dec 5, 2016 • 9:31:02am

re: #184 HappyWarrior

Yeah I was thinking the same as well. Hmmm. Definitely think it’s a good thing for a business to have though. My boss wanted me to look at GE and see if it would be a good thing to recommend to clients to use.

I believe when you use Google Maps it will show businesses in the area. Is that what you are looking for?

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light)) Dec 5, 2016 • 9:31:42am

re: #188 Belafon

Thinking about HUD. Maybe the 2020 party can propose repurposing the department to development over the entire country, and change the name. This would be a department in charge of getting fiber to every home in the country, and every school. It could be in charge of helping businesses find optimal locations that aren’t necessarily right up against a major urban area. Etc.

Housing and Residential Development.

And yes, they can also look into things like fire safety in artist warehouses. Not with the intent of closing them down, just for the sake of getting them up to code.

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Backwoods_Sleuth Dec 5, 2016 • 9:32:13am

Rep. Elijah Cummings out w/ statement calling Ben Carson “woefully unqualified” to run HUD: pic.twitter.com/VNpzs68z8o

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HappyWarrior Dec 5, 2016 • 9:32:35am

re: #189 Stanley Sea

I believe when you use Google Maps it will show businesses in the area. Is that what you are looking for?

Yeah something like that. I think I got what I was looking for. I basically have to have a good knowledge of the program by the end of the week so I can explain how Google Earth works to my boss and any clients. I’m really only looking at the street view and man made structures because I doubt being able to view the oceans, moon, and Mars is relevant.

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Belafon Dec 5, 2016 • 9:32:59am

re: #190 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Housing and Residential Development.

And yes, they can also look into things like fire safety in artist warehouses. Not with the intent of closing them down, just for the sake of getting them up to code.

HaRD. I like it. :)

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HappyWarrior Dec 5, 2016 • 9:33:12am

re: #191 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Boom. I really like Cummings. He’s one of our best.

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lawhawk Dec 5, 2016 • 9:34:16am

Of course SMOTI retweets:

Trump’s biggest scandals post-election

Had dinner with family.

Took call from democratically elected world leader. https://t.co/zkSY9Yjee3

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No, nominating Carson - a completely unprepared and who admitted he’s not up to doing the job of HUD is the scandal of the day.

Another scandal?

Considering Petraeus for any position - especially considering he needs to contact his probation officer every time he travels out of state.

Still another?
Considering Mattis for Secretary of Defense, even though he’s currently not eligible for the position.

That he doesn’t care about the law, or the rules that are in place, is a scandal.

And then there’s the pick of Bannon. And that his kids are having access to his govt dealings and his refusal to set up a blind trust or divest from his holdings, all while having/taking calls from those officials who are in a position to approve his foreign business dealings.

Lying about the Carrier jobs he saved is another scandal, but ranks lower.

Every day it’s another scandal, not that Trump supporters care. They’re busy baffling with BS.

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Romantic Heretic Dec 5, 2016 • 9:35:03am

re: #34 wheat-dogg

One more time.

Nite Owl: What’s happened to us? What happened to The American Dream?

Comedian: What happened to The American Dream? It came true! You’re looking at it.

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lawhawk Dec 5, 2016 • 9:35:40am

Reminder: Trump thought Carson was pathological and had no business being in government.

.@CarlyFiorina Ben Carson said in his own book that he has a pathological temper & pathological disease. I didn’t say it, he did. Apology?

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Belafon Dec 5, 2016 • 9:36:32am

re: #195 lawhawk

Of course SMOTI retweets:

No, nominating Carson - a completely unprepared and who admitted he’s not up to doing the job of HUD is the scandal of the day.

Another scandal?

Considering Petraeus for any position - especially considering he needs to contact his probation officer every time he travels out of state.

Still another?
Considering Mattis for Secretary of Defense, even though he’s currently not eligible for the position.

That he doesn’t care about the law, or the rules that are in place, is a scandal.

And then there’s the pick of Bannon. And that his kids are having access to his govt dealings and his refusal to set up a blind trust or divest from his holdings, all while having/taking calls from those officials who are in a position to approve his foreign business dealings.

Lying about the Carrier jobs he saved is another scandal, but ranks lower.

Every day it’s another scandal, not that Trump supporters care. They’re busy baffling with BS.

How about negotiating business deals for his company with foreign leaders?

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HappyWarrior Dec 5, 2016 • 9:36:57am

re: #195 lawhawk

Of course SMOTI retweets:

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No, nominating Carson - a completely unprepared and who admitted he’s not up to doing the job of HUD is the scandal of the day.

Another scandal?

Considering Petraeus for any position - especially considering he needs to contact his probation officer every time he travels out of state.

Still another?
Considering Mattis for Secretary of Defense, even though he’s currently not eligible for the position.

That he doesn’t care about the law, or the rules that are in place, is a scandal.

And then there’s the pick of Bannon. And that his kids are having access to his govt dealings and his refusal to set up a blind trust or divest from his holdings, all while having/taking calls from those officials who are in a position to approve his foreign business dealings.

Lying about the Carrier jobs he saved is another scandal, but ranks lower.

Every day it’s another scandal, not that Trump supporters care. They’re busy baffling with BS.

So sick of these simplistic morons. Oh and if they want to play the reached out to dictator game, who reached out to the PRC in teh first place? Hint it was a Republican. The issue is that Trump did something profusely stupid in regards to Taiwan that put their nation’s safety in danger and it wasn’t even done out of solidarity with the Taiwanese people, it was because Trump has a business project in Taiwan. If Obama or any Democrat had these conflicts the way Trump does, Dim Jim would be going ballistic but because Turmp can literally do no wrong according to Jim, he doesn’t caer.

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Stanley Sea Dec 5, 2016 • 9:38:40am

re: #192 HappyWarrior

Yeah something like that. I think I got what I was looking for. I basically have to have a good knowledge of the program by the end of the week so I can explain how Google Earth works to my boss and any clients. I’m really only looking at the street view and man made structures because I doubt being able to view the oceans, moon, and Mars is relevant.

Note that “maps” is different from “earth”

If I look up my address I see all the businesses around my area.

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The Vicious Babushka Dec 5, 2016 • 9:40:33am

Bookmark this one now: A tracking system for Donald Trump’s 662 executive branch appointments. https://t.co/GeXhSYlCL0

— Jenna Johnson (@wpjenna) December 5, 2016

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light)) Dec 5, 2016 • 9:40:42am

re: #199 HappyWarrior

So sick of these simplistic morons. Oh and if they want to play the reached out to dictator game, who reached out to the PRC in teh first place? Hint it was a Republican. The issue is that Trump did something profusely stupid in regards to Taiwan that put their nation’s safety in danger and it wasn’t even done out of solidarity with the Taiwanese people, it was because Trump has a business project in Taiwan. If Obama or any Democrat had these conflicts the way Trump does, Dim Jim would be going ballistic but because Turmp can literally do no wrong according to Jim, he doesn’t caer.

You have to wonder if Trump is aware of the political and diplomatic history between the USA, PRC and Taiwan.

No, actually, you probably don’t…the answers is no.

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HappyWarrior Dec 5, 2016 • 9:41:14am

re: #200 Stanley Sea

Note that “maps” is different from “earth”

If I look up my address I see all the businesses around my area.

Would it be accurate to say something like this- Google Earth has everything in Google Maps like street view but Google Maps does not have the actual Earth views like if one wanted to view 3D imagery?

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HappyWarrior Dec 5, 2016 • 9:41:39am

re: #202 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

You have to wonder if Trump is aware of the political and diplomatic history between the USA, PRC and Taiwan.

No, actually, you probably don’t…the answers is no.

Mao? Nice guy. I saw his photo everywhere when I was in Chyna!

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HappyWarrior Dec 5, 2016 • 9:43:25am

re: #201 The Vicious Babushka

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That’s actually very useful for me, thanks. I need to keep track on who he’s going to be picking for SBA. We do a newsletter at my office and Trump’s appointment for SBA admin will definitely be newsletter worthy. Right now, I have a story on the injunction on the Overtime EO by Obama.

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Stanley Sea Dec 5, 2016 • 9:44:55am

re: #203 HappyWarrior

Would it be accurate to say something like this- Google Earth has everything in Google Maps like street view but Google Maps does not have the actual Earth views like if one wanted to view 3D imagery?

When you are in maps you can select earth to see the terrain etc. But with maps only you can see the different business names. Try it.

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lawhawk Dec 5, 2016 • 9:45:51am

Last night a former Breitbart reporter claimed on Facebook he planted Clinton hecklers at her rallies… has since deleted the post. pic.twitter.com/wbsI5Szsbi

— Hadas Gold (@Hadas_Gold) December 5, 2016

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HappyWarrior Dec 5, 2016 • 9:46:16am

re: #206 Stanley Sea

When you are in maps you can select earth to see the terrain etc. But with maps only you can see the different business names. Try it.

Thanks. Makes sense.Right now, I’ll probably recommend that our clients get Google Earth Advanced.

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HappyWarrior Dec 5, 2016 • 9:46:47am

re: #207 lawhawk

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And yet these same people acted all outraged by the O’Keefe bullshit.

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makeitstop Dec 5, 2016 • 9:47:41am

re: #191 Backwoods_Sleuth

Rep. Elijah Cummings out w/ statement calling Ben Carson “woefully unqualified” to run HUD

He’s being kind.

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gocart mozart Dec 5, 2016 • 9:48:37am

Nancy Pelosi on Ben Carson as HUD Secretary: “Disturbingly Unqualified” https://t.co/ZngF1K8cPt

— #TheResistance (@SocialPowerOne1) December 5, 2016

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HappyWarrior Dec 5, 2016 • 9:50:22am

re: #211 gocart mozart

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Okay Senate Dems, say something.

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Stanley Sea Dec 5, 2016 • 9:51:06am

re: #211 gocart mozart

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His confirmation hearing will be a doozy. They will just need to ask him a question about the structure of the dept. He won’t know.

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Eventual Carrion Dec 5, 2016 • 9:51:17am

re: #129 Belafon

How many times did he get attacked for saying “Merry Christmas”? I bet the answer’s less than one.

And how many people have used “Merry Christmas” as a verbal attack?

southpark.cc.com

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Sir John Barron Dec 5, 2016 • 9:58:50am

re: #211 gocart mozart

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Yeah but look who the president-elect is….

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Eventual Carrion Dec 5, 2016 • 9:59:32am

re: #137 HappyWarrior

Carson may be the worst Trump pick yet and that’s saying something. A man who has never served in government, unqualified by his own admission, and someone who knows nothing about housing. He’s not qualified to run a locality’s housing department. I mean if Trump wanted to appoint him Surgeon General or even HHS, I wouldn’t like it obviously but it would make sense. Carson doesn’t know anything about housing policy in this country.

But he can make things laxer on tRump’s slum buildings regulations.

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Sir John Barron Dec 5, 2016 • 9:59:59am

re: #205 HappyWarrior

That’s actually very useful for me, thanks. I need to keep track on who he’s going to be picking for SBA. We do a newsletter at my office and Trump’s appointment for SBA admin will definitely be newsletter worthy. Right now, I have a story on the injunction on the Overtime EO by Obama.

You at SBA?

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Sir John Barron Dec 5, 2016 • 10:01:53am

re: #195 lawhawk

Trump’s biggest scandals post-election

Had dinner with family.

Took call from democratically elected world leader. cnsnews.com

— Paul Joseph Watson (@PrisonPlanet) December 5, 2016

There was that Trump U pay off, $25 mill/bill, whatever.

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Sir John Barron Dec 5, 2016 • 10:03:04am

re: #172 Targetpractice

BREAKING: North Carolina Gov. McCrory concedes he lost re-election bid, clearing way for Democrat Cooper to be declared winner.
— The Associated Press

Good-by. Have a nice day.

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Targetpractice Dec 5, 2016 • 10:05:10am

re: #195 lawhawk

Of course SMOTI retweets:

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No, nominating Carson - a completely unprepared and who admitted he’s not up to doing the job of HUD is the scandal of the day.

Another scandal?

Considering Petraeus for any position - especially considering he needs to contact his probation officer every time he travels out of state.

Still another?
Considering Mattis for Secretary of Defense, even though he’s currently not eligible for the position.

That he doesn’t care about the law, or the rules that are in place, is a scandal.

And then there’s the pick of Bannon. And that his kids are having access to his govt dealings and his refusal to set up a blind trust or divest from his holdings, all while having/taking calls from those officials who are in a position to approve his foreign business dealings.

Lying about the Carrier jobs he saved is another scandal, but ranks lower.

Every day it’s another scandal, not that Trump supporters care. They’re busy baffling with BS.

Again, the Trump cabal makes it clear that they have absolutely no fucking clue the forces that they are messing with. In the eyes of the PRC, there’s only one president and he resides in Beijing, not in Taipei. Their official position, the position that the US has entertained for 40+ years, is that the leader of Taiwan is not a president but instead the equivalent of a provincial leader. We may maintain relations with Taipei, we may have diplomatic and military ties with them, but we do not act as if they are the legitimate government of a sovereign nation. Doing so risks the PRC deciding that we’re encouraging an independence movement, which endangers rather than strengthens Taiwan’s future.

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makeitstop Dec 5, 2016 • 10:05:59am

So, Gore is meeting with Ivanka about climate change.

Don’t be a sucker, Big Al.

1. It’s already clear that Ivanka’s role in her father’s administration will be liberal outreach efforts like this. https://t.co/zlvU5vlfZi

— Elliott Lusztig (@ezlusztig) December 5, 2016

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lawhawk Dec 5, 2016 • 10:06:27am

re: #221 makeitstop

Al Gore tells reporters at Trump Tower he met with President-elect Trump today.

— Jennifer Jacobs (@JenniferJJacobs) December 5, 2016

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Gore says he met with Trump, not with Ivanka.

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The Vicious Babushka Dec 5, 2016 • 10:07:37am

re: #218 Sir John Barron

There was that Trump U pay off, $25 mill/bill, whatever.

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Ivanka sitting in on the meeting with the Japanese PM in order to sell her shmattas on the Ginza.

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lawhawk Dec 5, 2016 • 10:07:51am

So, last week, the Charleston church shooter wanted to represent himself, and the court allowed that.

Today? The shooter decided it was probably better to have a legal team after all.

Alleged Charleston shooter Dylann Roof will be allowed to hire his lawyers back — for now https://t.co/jlkz9ub1kv pic.twitter.com/NvyP3bMWRn

— BI Politics (@bi_politics) December 5, 2016

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Sir John Barron Dec 5, 2016 • 10:09:15am

re: #157 electrotek

Wingnuts should give Obama credit for making this possible:

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Obama another apology tour going to foreign country again how come he travels so much wasting are tax dollars???!?

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BeachDem Dec 5, 2016 • 10:11:30am

re: #3 VegasGolfer

Could any of you who are more eloquent than me give me an answer to the trump supporters who say I’m not like the vile people who voted for him. But their vote condones everything they stand for.

Late to this thread, but if nobody has posted this, it has some good comebacks, i.e.:

So, if you are not a racist and you voted for Trump, you must be courageous enough to interrupt the bias and stand for the respect and the dignity of all humans whether you see that bias on social media, at your dinner table, your locker room, your company or your town meeting—whether it means speaking up to your family, your friends, your religious leaders or a stranger. You can interrupt this repugnant behavior in a way that I cannot. I know you voted for your own interest last week, but I pray you remember there is a larger interest at stake, one that connects and affects us all -the preservation of the common good. Your election of Trump has made that harder. So STAND UP
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GlutenFreeJesus Dec 5, 2016 • 10:13:18am

Y’all know Trump hired Ben Carson for HUD because when Trump hears “urban”, he thinks black people. So who better for the job than Ben Carson!

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light)) Dec 5, 2016 • 10:14:10am

re: #227 GlutenFreeJesus

Y’all know Trump hired Ben Carson for HUD because when Trump hears “urban”, he thinks black people. So who better for the job than Ben Carson!

I seem to recall reading that Ben turned down the offer of job as Secretary of Education because he felt unqualified.

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makeitstop Dec 5, 2016 • 10:21:12am

re: #222 lawhawk

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Figures, the report Lusztig cited was from CNN. They can’t get anything right.

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Mike Lamb Dec 5, 2016 • 10:24:25am

re: #136 gocart mozart

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Listened to Armstrong Williams on NPR this morning explain that Carson knows all about housing issues, from subsidized housing to urban development, based upon he and his family’s personal experience and that he’s remained “connected” to the inner cities.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light)) Dec 5, 2016 • 10:26:07am

re: #230 Mike Lamb

Listened to Armstrong Williams on NPR this morning explain that Carson knows all about housing issues, from subsidized housing to urban development, based upon he and his family’s personal experience and that he’s remained “connected” to the inner cities.

That is some pretty impressive turd polishing there, Armstrong.

But there is no point in arguing or discussing any of this. The talking points just write themselves…

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light)) Dec 5, 2016 • 10:27:48am

Okay people! 74K + updings… 900-odd more and we reach our intermediate goal of 75K

and then ON TO 100K!!!

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lawhawk Dec 5, 2016 • 10:27:56am

re: #230 Mike Lamb

Listened to Armstrong Williams on NPR this morning explain that Carson knows all about housing issues, from subsidized housing to urban development, based upon he and his family’s personal experience and that he’s remained “connected” to the inner cities.

Osmosis? Yeah, that’s a great way to know all about Mitchell Lama, Section 8, affordable housing rules, zoning, urban renewal, gentrification, housing discrimination, etc., let alone all the nonprofit housing efforts, Habitat, etc., who try to deal with shortages of affordable housing.

And then there’s the issue of how people pay for housing, percentage of income going to housing, and mortgage rules, all of which are intertwined in HUD policies.

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Belafon Dec 5, 2016 • 10:28:16am

re: #230 Mike Lamb

Listened to Armstrong Williams on NPR this morning explain that Carson knows all about housing issues, from subsidized housing to urban development, based upon he and his family’s personal experience and that he’s remained “connected” to the inner cities.

All cancer patients are fully qualified physicians. //

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Barefoot Grin Dec 5, 2016 • 10:30:07am

re: #197 lawhawk

Reminder: Trump thought Carson was pathological and had no business being in government.

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He got better.

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Mike Lamb Dec 5, 2016 • 10:32:16am

re: #233 lawhawk

Osmosis? Yeah, that’s a great way to know all about Mitchell Lama, Section 8, affordable housing rules, zoning, urban renewal, gentrification, housing discrimination, etc., let alone all the nonprofit housing efforts, Habitat, etc., who try to deal with shortages of affordable housing.

And then there’s the issue of how people pay for housing, percentage of income going to housing, and mortgage rules, all of which are intertwined in HUD policies.

And everyone should be comforted to know that Carson has been reading a lot of books on housing issues and talking to a lot of knowledgeable people…so, there you go.

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BeachDem Dec 5, 2016 • 10:34:15am

re: #137 HappyWarrior

Carson may be the worst Trump pick yet and that’s saying something. A man who has never served in government, unqualified by his own admission, and someone who knows nothing about housing. He’s not qualified to run a locality’s housing department. I mean if Trump wanted to appoint him Surgeon General or even HHS, I wouldn’t like it obviously but it would make sense. Carson doesn’t know anything about housing policy in this country.

I don’t know—I think Betsy DeVos for education might be even worse as she has no education experience but also has a track record of being totally anti-public education among other disgusting traits. (And we still don’t know who he’s going to name to the VA)

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Mike Lamb Dec 5, 2016 • 10:34:36am

And at what point can we expect some blowback in the confirmation process? It appears Sessions is somehow a shoo-in. But Carson? DeVos? What’s a brother got to do to get a filibuster in here?

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The Vicious Babushka Dec 5, 2016 • 10:35:07am

@docrocktex26 If the EC was about what the Founders said it was about, it’d be used to block a demagogue, not overturn the popular vote.

— Ed Overbeek (@EdOverbeek) December 5, 2016

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Stanley Sea Dec 5, 2016 • 10:35:55am

re: #229 makeitstop

Figures, the report Lusztig cited was from CNN. They can’t get anything right.

I’m sure she was in the meeting.

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Targetpractice Dec 5, 2016 • 10:37:03am

re: #230 Mike Lamb

Listened to Armstrong Williams on NPR this morning explain that Carson knows all about housing issues, from subsidized housing to urban development, based upon he and his family’s personal experience and that he’s remained “connected” to the inner cities.

That’s going to be all we’ll hear between now and the confirmation vote: “He’s from the inner city, so he knows all about what they need!” The man hasn’t lived in the inner city in decades. And he thinks the problems in housing are that people won’t grab their bootstraps and lift, because he succeeded in-spite of government assistance and everybody can do the same if they want to.

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Stanley Sea Dec 5, 2016 • 10:37:55am

Flynn or his son didn’t return comment request, but he updated Twitter bio to “my comments are my own ” from “son of @GenFlynn.” pic.twitter.com/boEUF9E3Ss

— andrew kaczynski (@KFILE) December 5, 2016

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wrenchwench Dec 5, 2016 • 10:38:03am

If you’ve ever taken any medication for anything, you might want to thank some women for standing up for their health care. Not always Americans, either.

.@broadly reminds us of the racist and sexist history of keeping birth control side effects a secret: https://t.co/ifR8XOAqal

— Renee Bracey Sherman (@RBraceySherman) December 5, 2016

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“Senator Nelson wanted a patient’s right-to-know bill,” says National Women’s Health Network executive director Cindy Pearson. The pill was his entry point for making the medical industry more transparent to consumers. Nelson convened Senate hearings in January 1970 to investigate the link between pill usage and decrease in libido, depression, and blood clots. No women were asked to speak at the hearings. Members of the D.C. Women’s Liberation collective, led by Alice Wolfson, protested the lack of female participation in the hearings. “It must be admitted that women make superb guinea pigs,” said Wolfson at the hearings. “They don’t cost anything, they feed themselves, they clean their own cages, pay for their own pills, and remunerate the clinical observer. We will no longer tolerate intimidation by white-coated gods antiseptically directing our lives.”

The Nelson Pill Hearings led to the amount of hormones being greatly decreased in oral contraceptives, as well as a 100-word insert on the potential side effects added to every package of the pill.

While it’s easy to laugh now at the long list of potential side effects listed at the end of every pharmaceutical commercial, it was those who fought for transparency over the birth control pill that gave the people the right to know the risks with each drug we put in our bodies. Additionally, the ethically reprehensible and deeply racist Puerto Rican clinical trials led directly to the informed consent procedures that all medical studies must adhere to today.

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Pearson was also very enthused by the Danish data. “God bless the Scandinavians for having universal health care and keeping really good statistics!” she says. “It provides really good leads that can be further investigated.” One such lead that needs further investigation: why comparatively low-hormone birth control like IUD’s and vaginal rings correlated with more depression than higher-hormoned pill takers.

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Sir John Barron Dec 5, 2016 • 10:38:52am

re: #238 Mike Lamb

And at what point can we expect some blowback in the confirmation process? It appears Sessions is somehow a shoo-in. But Carson? DeVos? What’s a brother got to do to get a filibuster in here?

Democratic filibusters are illegal.

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Targetpractice Dec 5, 2016 • 10:39:04am

re: #238 Mike Lamb

And at what point can we expect some blowback in the confirmation process? It appears Sessions is somehow a shoo-in. But Carson? DeVos? What’s a brother got to do to get a filibuster in here?

I don’t expect any blowback to go farther than “I don’t feel comfortable.” Trump’s going to get his nominees confirmed, even if McConnell has to pistol whip his caucus to make it happen.

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Sir John Barron Dec 5, 2016 • 10:40:14am

re: #237 BeachDem

I don’t know—I think Betsy DeVos for education might be even worse as she has no education experience but also has a track record of being totally anti-public education among other disgusting traits. (And we still don’t know who he’s going to name to the VA)

I’d say Sessions. He’s Stone Age. Uniquely awful and his awfulness would have potentially far-reaching effects.

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gocart mozart Dec 5, 2016 • 10:41:03am

I’m starting to believe that #pizzagate was a deflection story from Trump ACTUAL sex trafficking of underage models from Eastern EU.

— Boycott Trump SCION (@puppymnkey) December 5, 2016

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Backwoods_Sleuth Dec 5, 2016 • 10:41:37am

Former Vice President Al Gore meets with Trump, says it was a “sincere search for common ground.” https://t.co/64KgmpYPzh’

— AP Politics (@AP_Politics) December 5, 2016

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Former Vice President Al Gore says he had a “productive” meeting with President-elect Donald Trump.

Gore met with Trump at Trump Tower on Monday and spoke briefly to reporters afterward. He categorized his meeting as a “sincere search for common ground.”

He also dubbed it “an extremely interesting conversation” but when asked what was discussed he only said “to be continued” before leaving.

Gore says he also met with Ivanka Trump, the president-elect’s daughter. Transition officials said earlier Monday that the two would discuss climate change, which is Gore’s signature issue.

The president-elect called man-made climate change a hoax and has pledged to undo a number of regulations to protect the environment.

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BlueGrl21 Dec 5, 2016 • 10:43:01am

re: #226 BeachDem

Late to this thread, but if nobody has posted this, it has some good comebacks, i.e.:

So, if you are not a racist and you voted for Trump, you must be courageous enough to interrupt the bias and stand for the respect and the dignity of all humans whether you see that bias on social media, at your dinner table, your locker room, your company or your town meeting—whether it means speaking up to your family, your friends, your religious leaders or a stranger. You can interrupt this repugnant behavior in a way that I cannot. I know you voted for your own interest last week, but I pray you remember there is a larger interest at stake, one that connects and affects us all -the preservation of the common good. Your election of Trump has made that harder. So STAND UP

I look at it this way….I don’t care why someone voted for Trump and it’s not my job or desire to try and validate for them that they’re an OK person. Maybe they are, maybe they’re not, but I’m not interested in making them feel better about their choices. I don’t know what’s in their heart and won’t know. Words are not actions and their actions by voting for Trump aren’t impressive to me.

They voted for him, they own him. Every cringe-worthy tweet, every ridiculous cabinet post, every conspiracy theory they fell for. The fact that he is by far the least popular president in history about to take office, working with the least-popular Congress. It’s going to be an embarrassment of riches of incompetence and he’s THEIRS.

Meanwhile, basketball season has started and we’ve got a group of black and Muslim young men to keep safe and fearless and help navigate the world that Donald Trump and his ilk have made a little less hopeful for them. So, I don’t care why someone voted for Trump. Come spend a day with me and my husband and these kids, then go online and read the KKK and Trump white supremacist crap painted on walls, then go to 4CHAN and Breitbart and their crazy uncle’s “White Lives Matter” Facebook feed.

Then explain to our kids why they voted for Trump and they’re not like everyone else.

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ObserverArt Dec 5, 2016 • 10:48:21am

re: #224 lawhawk

So, last week, the Charleston church shooter wanted to represent himself, and the court allowed that.

Today? The shooter decided it was probably better to have a legal team after all.

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makeitstop Dec 5, 2016 • 10:48:24am

re: #248 Backwoods_Sleuth

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I really hope Gore realizes he’s just a prop here. Trump and his boys probably laughed at him after he left.

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BeachDem Dec 5, 2016 • 10:49:22am

re: #203 HappyWarrior

Would it be accurate to say something like this- Google Earth has everything in Google Maps like street view but Google Maps does not have the actual Earth views like if one wanted to view 3D imagery?

Not sure exactly what you’re looking for, but you might want to check Google Traffic as well.

en.wikipedia.org

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gocart mozart Dec 5, 2016 • 10:49:53am

The Latest: Judge orders Michigan recount to begin Monday. https://t.co/3spS0scZSb

— The Associated Press (@AP) December 5, 2016

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Belafon Dec 5, 2016 • 10:50:29am

re: #251 makeitstop

I really hope Gore realizes he just a prop here. Trump and his boys probably laughed at him after he left.

A number of people are trying to figure out what they can do to minimize the damage Trump is about to cause. Some will protest, some will hopefully slow down what is coming down, and some will try to convince him to not do what he thinks he should do. We’re going to need them all.

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Stanley Sea Dec 5, 2016 • 10:51:55am

Boris Johnson, Britain’s top diplomat, flees live interview after being asked to name South Korean presidenthttps://t.co/7rttQ2ZCuX

— Washington Post (@washingtonpost) December 5, 2016

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Backwoods_Sleuth Dec 5, 2016 • 10:56:30am

omg…the stupid is overwhelming:

It is disingenuous to be outraged about “Fake News” without acknowledging the impact of the Daily Show and Colbert Report.

— Jack McCain (@McCainJack) December 5, 2016

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jaunte Dec 5, 2016 • 10:57:30am

re: #256 Backwoods_Sleuth

It all started with Carnac the Magnificent.

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Backwoods_Sleuth Dec 5, 2016 • 10:59:01am

uh oh…

Former FL US Rep Allen West at Trump Tower today. His @PolitiFactFL scorecard: https://t.co/whdPxeenAt pic.twitter.com/0tnRM7g0xX

— PolitiFact Florida (@PolitiFactFL) December 5, 2016

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BeachDem Dec 5, 2016 • 11:01:59am

re: #249 BlueGrl21

I agree with everything you said, and I stick by my anyone who voted for Trump is stupid or hateful or both. I repeated that mantra to my wingnut brother many times Thanksgiving Day.

(I was just offering the info requested )

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gocart mozart Dec 5, 2016 • 11:02:37am

The Latest: Judge orders Michigan recount to begin Monday. https://t.co/3spS0scZSb

— The Associated Press (@AP) December 5, 2016

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gocart mozart Dec 5, 2016 • 11:03:12am

RT @funder: #TRUMPLEAKS: Ltr from Hon Elijah Cummings asking Chaffetz to Investigate Trump biz conflicts #resist pic.twitter.com/HNwdAWUQUD

— Dr Kelly Sennholz (@MtnMD) December 5, 2016

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Blind Frog Belly White Dec 5, 2016 • 11:03:18am

re: #259 BeachDem

I agree with everything you said, and I stick by my anyone who voted for Trump is stupid or hateful or both. I repeated that mantra to my wingnut brother many times Thanksgiving Day.

(I was just offering the info requested )

“You must think I’m stupid!”

“Not necessarily. You might be a hateful bigot instead. Or both.”

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makeitstop Dec 5, 2016 • 11:03:32am

re: #254 Belafon

A number of people are trying to figure out what they can do to minimize the damage Trump is about to cause. Some will protest, some will hopefully slow down what is coming down, and some will try to convince him to not do what he thinks he should do. We’re going to need them all.

Fair point.

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gocart mozart Dec 5, 2016 • 11:03:54am

#Pizzagate is a deflection from Trump’s very real child rape case and sex trafficking of underage Eastern EU models https://t.co/wTn2ipzNbg

— Boycott Trump SCION (@puppymnkey) December 5, 2016

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BeachDem Dec 5, 2016 • 11:05:33am

re: #262 Blind Frog Belly White

“You must think I’m stupid!”

“Not necessarily. You might be a hateful bigot instead. Or both.”

I like it—reminds me of my response to people who say, “I’m socially liberal, but fiscally conservative.” I smile and say, “Oh, so you’re a Democrat, right?”

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Blind Frog Belly White Dec 5, 2016 • 11:05:39am

re: #254 Belafon

A number of people are trying to figure out what they can do to minimize the damage Trump is about to cause. Some will protest, some will hopefully slow down what is coming down, and some will try to convince him to not do what he thinks he should do. We’re going to need them all.

Apparently the trick is to be the last person to talk to him. He’s like the weak-willed, ill-fated President in ‘House of Cards’, who always went with whatever the last person to talk to him advised, so it Frank was always angling to be that person.

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gocart mozart Dec 5, 2016 • 11:06:25am

@funder #TrumpLeaks Court Deposition: Trump admits he told friends to buy his Bally’s stock before public #InsiderTrading #cnn #msnbc #DCAT pic.twitter.com/YCyLo3hiyd

— Scott Dworkin (@funder) December 1, 2016

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gocart mozart Dec 5, 2016 • 11:07:21am

@funder #TrumpLeaks Letter from Don Jr. confirms Donald Trump’s longtime Russian mob ties #wednesdaywisdom #DCAT #cnn #msnbc #dems #AMJoy pic.twitter.com/SEEx1xKuLO

— Scott Dworkin (@funder) December 1, 2016

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jaunte Dec 5, 2016 • 11:08:16am

Conspiracy theorist natsec adviser
Racist AG
Racist chief counselor
Unqualified HUDSec
Foreclosure king SecTreas
Public school-hating EdSec

— Jesse Berney (@jesseberney) December 5, 2016

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gocart mozart Dec 5, 2016 • 11:08:32am

@funder Trump had sanctions placed on him by US Atty after he destroyed docs that had been subpoenaed #TrumpLeaks #cnn #msnbc #maddow #obama pic.twitter.com/KHMEGF1A4Z

— Scott Dworkin (@funder) December 1, 2016

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The Vicious Babushka Dec 5, 2016 • 11:08:44am

re: #268 gocart mozart

Scott Dworkin makes shit up.

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KGxvi Dec 5, 2016 • 11:11:36am

re: #255 Stanley Sea

foreign policy briefings are important

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Backwoods_Sleuth Dec 5, 2016 • 11:12:21am

BREAKING: Our statement on the nomination of Dr. Ben Carson to lead HUD. https://t.co/P7MdSZm3lS

— Sherrilyn Ifill (@Sifill_LDF) December 5, 2016

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“All publicly available info connecting Dr. Carson to federal housing policy indicates a deep incomprehension of its significance and scope” https://t.co/azaLpblNaV

— Laffy (@GottaLaff) December 5, 2016

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gocart mozart Dec 5, 2016 • 11:13:46am

“The Pussygrabbing Potentate”*

*The new reality or the worst children’s book ever.

— gocart mozart (@gocartmozart1) December 5, 2016

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wrenchwench Dec 5, 2016 • 11:14:29am

This is the one I visited in 1993:

The forgotten horror of Ravensbrück, the all-women Nazi concentration camp https://t.co/CIYTYuVHmH pic.twitter.com/C6sGSWwMPk

— Broadly (@broadly) December 5, 2016

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“We’re talking about a really patriarchal society, from the time in general and from the Nazi regime. We have to remember that,” Dr Rochelle G. Saidel tells me over the phone. She is the executive director of the Remember the Women Institute in New York and author of The Jewish Women of Ravensbrück Concentration Camp. “People say ‘SS guards’ but women couldn’t belong to the SS; they were auxiliary. The SS was for men. Many of those women were very brutal… They were often from a lower to middle class background. [Being guards]gave them some status and they liked the status.”

[…]

“Women are perceived as caring, nurturing, mother-like figures for obvious reasons—how do you square that with the reality of the Holocaust?” Daniel Patrick Brown asks as we discuss what happened at Ravensbrück. He is the author of The Camp Women, one of the first studies into the role of women in the Third Reich. “I always come back to the fact that training and background have so much to do with how people act and react. The Nazis created a system whereby you were encouraged to be the most horrific human being imaginable. The training was all designed to get these women to be hard and to do what needed to be done. In many cases, it was very successful. Having said that, I think it’s a huge mistake to let people off the hook by saying, ‘Oh, I was trained to do that.’”

[…]

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gocart mozart Dec 5, 2016 • 11:14:39am

“It was just pages and pages about the ocean and ships. At least the whale was white. Good American whale.” #trumpbookreports

— Elliott Lusztig (@ezlusztig) December 5, 2016

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Backwoods_Sleuth Dec 5, 2016 • 11:16:27am

David Duke haz opinions

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Backwoods_Sleuth Dec 5, 2016 • 11:19:07am

In an anti-recount filing, Donald Trump’s lawyers say the election was “not tainted by fraud or mistake.” https://t.co/aT4tTlfRXr

— Jenna Johnson (@wpjenna) December 5, 2016

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But, but, but, but he said….. https://t.co/1hihKDCyu9

— David Corn (@DavidCornDC) December 5, 2016

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jaunte Dec 5, 2016 • 11:21:01am

Ppl gotta know.#FBEducationWithEb pic.twitter.com/oeUVcCK3SR

— Eb (@erabrand) December 5, 2016

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jaunte Dec 5, 2016 • 11:26:49am

So Ivanka Trump, apparently taking control of “blind” trust, is also:
- moving to DC
- taking transition meetings
- meeting foreign leaders

— Matt McDermott (@mattmfm) December 5, 2016

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Invasion of the Leeches.

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calochortus Dec 5, 2016 • 11:26:56am

re: #265 BeachDem

I like it—reminds me of my response to people who say, “I’m socially liberal, but fiscally conservative.” I smile and say, “Oh, so you’re a Democrat, right?”

Why yes, I am!
Fiscally conservative includes:
Doing maintenance on infrastructure because it’s cheaper than waiting for stuff to fail.
Providing healthcare for all because it’s cheaper than the ER or lost productivity.
A good education for all because…wait for it…it’s cheaper than ignorance.
Need I go on?

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Franklin Dec 5, 2016 • 11:31:57am

re: #265 BeachDem

I like it—reminds me of my response to people who say, “I’m socially liberal, but fiscally conservative.” I smile and say, “Oh, so you’re a Democrat, right?”

That was me. I always aligned with Republicans for the “fiscally conservative” part of that mantra. And this aside (which is well said):

re: #281 calochortus

Why yes, I am!
Fiscally conservative includes:
Doing maintenance on infrastructure because it’s cheaper than waiting for stuff to fail.
Providing healthcare for all because it’s cheaper than the ER or lost productivity.
A good education for all because…wait for it…it’s cheaper than ignorance.
Need I go on?

…it was a wrong headed approach. Because when you try to balance the rights of the marginalized (socially liberal) with lower taxes and more efficient spending (fiscally conservative) and let the money angle win, you’ve lost as a human.

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Eventual Carrion Dec 5, 2016 • 11:32:14am

re: #256 Backwoods_Sleuth

omg…the stupid is overwhelming:

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Everything those shows made fun of was actual facts, not fake. Funny how they can’t realize that. Or they are so far gone that they don’t even know what is real and what is made up anymore.

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lawhawk Dec 5, 2016 • 11:35:02am

Trump’s choice for national security adviser has a well-established penchant for pushing conspiracy theories https://t.co/To5OedHoGa

— The New York Times (@nytimes) December 5, 2016

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Just like @realdonaldtrump and his kids. He’s surrounded himself with conspiracy nuts. And gets his news from another CT nut - Alex Jones. https://t.co/NhRzzyVJac

— lawhawk (@lawhawk) December 5, 2016

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Trump wants conspiracy nuts like himself because this is the worldview he has. Doesn’t want people who will challenge him, because that’d be bad. He’s so insecure that he needs people around him to support him no matter how crazy he gets or what batcrap insane things he says.

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BeachDem Dec 5, 2016 • 11:35:49am

re: #283 Eventual Carrion

Everything those shows made fun of was actual facts, not fake. Funny how they can’t realize that. Or they are so far gone that they don’t even know what is real and what is made up anymore.

Well, they’ve never understood satire, or humor, or analogies or, well, much of anything…

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Lidane Dec 5, 2016 • 11:37:09am

Raving Freakazoid Nut Sandwich is bleating again:

Glenn Beck Defends Breitbart, Says Kellogg’s Is ‘Dividing Our Country’ https://t.co/sZL3XQt3eg (VIDEO) pic.twitter.com/2iVxq2e9vz

— Mediaite (@Mediaite) December 5, 2016

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Belafon Dec 5, 2016 • 11:38:24am

re: #286 Lidane

Raving Freakazoid Nut Sandwich is bleating again:

Of course they are. I don’t see how anyone can like corn flakes.

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calochortus Dec 5, 2016 • 11:39:23am

re: #286 Lidane

Raving Freakazoid Nut Sandwich is bleating again:

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A desperate search for relevancy (and $$$)?

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jaunte Dec 5, 2016 • 11:40:48am

re: #286 Lidane

He should know it’s a losing move to support Conspiracy when it’s fighting Pop-Tarts.

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Franklin Dec 5, 2016 • 11:41:59am

re: #287 Belafon

Of course they are. I don’t see how anyone can like corn flakes.

Divided between those that like cornflakes and those that hate consuming cardboard.

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The Vicious Babushka Dec 5, 2016 • 11:42:28am

re: #290 Franklin

Divided between those that like cornflakes and those that hate consuming cardboard.

I like Rice Krispies.

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Blind Frog Belly White Dec 5, 2016 • 11:42:43am

re: #287 Belafon

Of course they are. I don’t see how anyone can like corn flakes.

Yeah, but if you coat them with sugar, they’re apparently gr-r-r-reat.

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The Vicious Babushka Dec 5, 2016 • 11:43:27am

Actually I don’t even like breakfast cereal but I bought a box of Rice Krispies yesterday because it was on sale at Meijer for less than the store brand.

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Franklin Dec 5, 2016 • 11:44:02am

re: #291 The Vicious Babushka

I like Rice Krispies.

Me too. But only when I put in WAY too much sugar. Nasty habit of mine.

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The Vicious Babushka Dec 5, 2016 • 11:45:46am

re: #294 Franklin

Me too. But only when I put in WAY too much sugar. Nasty habit of mine.

All breakfast cereal contains added sugar, even the “non sweetened” ones. Even shredded wheat *gag* has added sugar.

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jaunte Dec 5, 2016 • 11:47:01am

Breitbart vs. Sugar and Corn. Wonder who’ll win?

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Lidane Dec 5, 2016 • 11:49:28am

re: #290 Franklin

I like Frosted Flakes and Frosted Mini-Wheats.

Mostly I just buy either granola or a muesli cereal that I really enjoy. Breakfast for me is usually yogurt and fruit, so I want something that blends with the yogurt.

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The Vicious Babushka Dec 5, 2016 • 11:49:35am

I was like THE WORST MOTHER EVER back in the ‘80’s I didn’t let my kids eat sugared cereal (I read Consumer Reports to find out which cereal had the least sugar) and I didn’t let them watch TV.

They just went to hang out at their friends to eat cereal & watch TV.

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Lidane Dec 5, 2016 • 11:51:11am

What. The. Actual. Fuck.

Are Jews white? https://t.co/dgzdFGi3aD pic.twitter.com/bUhSTiX3jE

— The Atlantic (@TheAtlantic) December 5, 2016

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Blind Frog Belly White Dec 5, 2016 • 11:51:56am

How I prefer my Sugar and Corn….

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Blind Frog Belly White Dec 5, 2016 • 11:53:12am

re: #297 Lidane

I like Frosted Flakes and Frosted Mini-Wheats.

Mostly I just buy either granola or a muesli cereal that I really enjoy. Breakfast for me is usually yogurt and fruit, so I want something that blends with the yogurt.

Yogurt, walnuts, and dried cherries for me. Breakfast Of … whatever it is that I am.

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calochortus Dec 5, 2016 • 11:53:49am

re: #299 Lidane

What. The. Actual. Fuck.

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“Are Jews white?” And why do we care? Are we trying to decide which SPF of sunscreen to buy for them?

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The Vicious Babushka Dec 5, 2016 • 11:54:55am

re: #299 Lidane

What. The. Actual. Fuck.

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[Sheila Broflovski]WHAT WHAT WHAT[/Sheila Broflovski]

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Blind Frog Belly White Dec 5, 2016 • 11:55:24am

re: #302 calochortus

“Are Jews white?” And why do we care? Are we trying to decide which SPF of sunscreen to buy for them?

I suppose it’s a step up from asking whether they’re people.

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We're Way Beyond Snark Dec 5, 2016 • 11:55:49am

re: #302 calochortus

“Are Jews white?” And why do we care? Are we trying to decide which SPF of sunscreen to buy for them?

Click bait headline. Article worth a read.

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Backwoods_Sleuth Dec 5, 2016 • 11:55:52am

re: #299 Lidane

What. The. Actual. Fuck.

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See my #277

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jaunte Dec 5, 2016 • 11:58:25am

re: #304 Blind Frog Belly White

I suppose it’s a step up from asking whether they’re people.

David Duke codespeak.

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Eventual Carrion Dec 5, 2016 • 12:00:48pm

re: #278 Backwoods_Sleuth

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That is exactly what is so damn infuriating. They are afraid of something.

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calochortus Dec 5, 2016 • 12:00:53pm

re: #305 We’re Way Beyond Snark

Click bait headline. Article worth a read.

And therein lies the trouble with click-bait. I’m not likely to bother with it, so it can hide what you correctly identified as a worth while article.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light)) Dec 5, 2016 • 12:52:51pm

re: #287 Belafon

Of course they are. I don’t see how anyone can like corn flakes.

not to mention those three little guys in funny hats who live together

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Jebediah, RBG Dec 5, 2016 • 1:25:56pm

If the press would cover me accurately & honorably, I would have far less reason to “tweet.” Sadly, I don’t know if that will ever happen!

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) December 5, 2016

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@realDonaldTrump Or you could just grow the fuck up. https://t.co/j9b5p2AQ1m

— Jebediah Springfield (@JebediahRBG) December 5, 2016

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