Donald Trump Picks Climate Change Denier and Energy Industry Puppet to Head Environmental Protection Agency

Trump’s cabinet picks are going to wreck the world

The news from the Donald Trump Horror just keeps getting worse, every day.

Today Trump announced his pick to head the Environmental Protection Agency. Would it surprise you to learn that he’s a far right climate change denier in the pocket of the fossil fuel industries?

Scott Pruitt, a Republican, has been a key architect of the legal battle against Mr. Obama’s climate change policies, actions that fit with the president-elect’s comments during the campaign. Mr. Trump has criticized the established science of human-caused global warming as a hoax, vowed to “cancel” the Paris accord committing nearly every nation to taking action to fight climate change, and attacked Mr. Obama’s signature global warming policy, the Clean Power Plan, as a “war on coal.”

Mr. Pruitt, 48, who has emerged as a hero to conservative activists, is also one of a number of Republican attorneys general who have formed an alliance with some of the nation’s top energy producers to push back against the Obama regulatory agenda, a 2014 investigation by The New York Times revealed.

It’s no exaggeration to say that Pruitt as head of the EPA represents an existential threat to the future of planet Earth. This is so bad.

UPDATE at 12/7/16 12:41:24 pm by Charles Johnson

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HappyWarrior  Dec 7, 2016 • 11:49:55am

But but Trump met with Al Gore.//

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lawhawk  Dec 7, 2016 • 11:50:52am

It’s not like we need clean water to drink or clean air to breathe? Trump’s cabal seems to think that the world belongs to them to exploit and to ruin - shifting the burdens to those who can’t afford them.

This is just another example of why anyone who thought that Trump would have been better than Clinton on the environment [ed: or anything else] was suffering from a rectal cranial inversion.

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Kragar  Dec 7, 2016 • 11:51:03am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 7, 2016 • 11:52:35am

re: #2 lawhawk

It’s not like we need clean water to drink or clean air to breathe?

Yes, and those who can’t pay the going market rate have to live without…

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Belafon  Dec 7, 2016 • 11:52:40am

re: #3 Kragar

Gotta love how mandate means “support from white people.”

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austin_blue  Dec 7, 2016 • 11:52:44am

From Downstairs:

So who is the new nominated EPA Administrator?

Scott Pruitt, the AG in Oklahoma! Defender of the environment?

From Wiki:

Pruitt has also sued the United States Environmental Protection Agency on behalf of Oklahoma utilities unwilling to take on the burdens of additional regulation of their coal-fired plants, and criticized the agency in a congressional hearing. [19][20] This is one of several lawsuits Pruitt has failed against the EPA.[21]

Fuck 2016, and Fuck tRump.

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Kragar  Dec 7, 2016 • 11:55:04am

re: #5 Belafon

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lawhawk  Dec 7, 2016 • 11:55:29am

re: #6 austin_blue

Trump tapped a guy who will make sure that the rest of the country benefits from oil and gas exploration the way Oklahoma has.

You know - by the shaking it experiences on a very regular basis. And the oil spills. And the bad air. And water quality degradation, because farmers don’t need clean water or air for their crops either.

Trump’s tapping guys who will roll back fuel economy standards for cars (or further delay them - claiming it saves people money, when it does no such thing in the long run), etc.

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Kragar  Dec 7, 2016 • 11:58:00am
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Citizen K  Dec 7, 2016 • 12:03:04pm

re: #7 Kragar

Ah, “We won more counties”

Because winning Shithole county, AK, population 500, by 2 votes means you have a national mandate

Yet another reminder that land and property > people

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austin_blue  Dec 7, 2016 • 12:03:24pm

re: #8 lawhawk

Trump tapped a guy who will make sure that the rest of the country benefits from oil and gas exploration the way Oklahoma has.

You know - by the shaking it experiences on a very regular basis. And the oil spills. And the bad air. And water quality degradation, because farmers don’t need clean water or air for their crops either.

Trump’s tapping guys who will roll back fuel economy standards for cars (or further delay them - claiming it saves people money, when it does no such thing in the long run), etc.

Yeah, a guy who reps for extractive industries is now defending the Clean Air and Water Acts, CRCLA, SARA, the transport of HazWaste, including nuke waste, and the regulation of coal companies who love mountaintop removal mining.

What could possibly go wrong?

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Myron Falwell (no relation)  Dec 7, 2016 • 12:06:41pm

re: #10 Citizen K

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Yet another reminder that land and property > people

Only when you own the land (especially through illegal means) and are an old, angry male WASP that wants to rape it for personal wealth.

Otherwise fuck you.

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lawhawk  Dec 7, 2016 • 12:09:30pm

Shake shake shake Sinora, shake it all the time:

earthquake.usgs.gov

Oklahoma quake map - last 30 days. There’s a whole lot of shaking going on - and it’s directly attributable to fracking and injecting wastewater into the earth. Energy companies have gone out of their way to prevent state and fed authorities from knowing what’s in the water that they’re injecting as part of fracking (claiming trade secrets among other things).

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 7, 2016 • 12:14:13pm
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Citizen K  Dec 7, 2016 • 12:15:47pm

re: #14 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Again…expressly qualified to undermine the exact fucking office they’ve been offered.

re: #15 Charles Johnson

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Do I even want to ask what “royals” he’s babbling about?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 7, 2016 • 12:16:03pm
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Myron Falwell (no relation)  Dec 7, 2016 • 12:16:37pm

re: #3 Kragar

Not that I ever liked Pence, but I continue to absolutely hate him more and more with every passing thing he does (more often than not, the wrong thing).

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 7, 2016 • 12:21:25pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 7, 2016 • 12:22:38pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 7, 2016 • 12:24:16pm
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scottslemmons  Dec 7, 2016 • 12:26:35pm

re: #15 Charles Johnson

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Fuck Kansas City baseball!

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Charles Johnson  Dec 7, 2016 • 12:26:37pm

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Charles Johnson  Dec 7, 2016 • 12:27:59pm
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The Great Eye  Dec 7, 2016 • 12:28:57pm

re: #20 Charles Johnson

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I love this cover. Lorde said it’s her favorite cover of the song.

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SteveMcG RN  Dec 7, 2016 • 12:30:18pm

THere is some video ad running att he bottom of thee page that keeps me from scrolling up for more than a few seconds at a time

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Charles Johnson  Dec 7, 2016 • 12:31:23pm
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lawhawk  Dec 7, 2016 • 12:34:48pm

And for those keeping score, the GWB EPA screwed up royally, especially when it came to air quality safety after 9/11. It had former NJ Gov. Whitman at the helm, and they fucked up. She admits as much now. But back then, they were adamant there wasn’t any problem with the air - even though you could taste the smell from miles away. It was that potent and pungent every time the wind shifted direction.

So, if GWB EPA officials are saying this is bad news, you know it is going to be yet another shit show.

Which makes me wonder just what Trump’s trying to dump.

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Botsplainer  Dec 7, 2016 • 12:35:02pm

re: #2 lawhawk

It’s not like we need clean water to drink…

Water? Like from the toilet? Gross!

Why can’t they drink a Big Gulp or a Bud Light like everybody else?

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Charles Johnson  Dec 7, 2016 • 12:35:04pm

re: #27 SteveMcG RN

THere is some video ad running att he bottom of thee page that keeps me from scrolling up for more than a few seconds at a time

If you reload it should be gone now. These ads keep sneaking in with one of our suppliers, sorry.

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Barefoot Grin  Dec 7, 2016 • 12:36:58pm

And of course Wilbur Ross is a vulture capitalist extraordinaire:

nymag.com

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Interesting Times  Dec 7, 2016 • 12:37:18pm
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Kragar  Dec 7, 2016 • 12:37:24pm
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BeachDem  Dec 7, 2016 • 12:37:47pm

re: #19 Backwoods_Sleuth

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So, does Maggie think that comment is:
a. clever
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c. merely tweetable

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Shiplord Kirel  Dec 7, 2016 • 12:39:07pm

New Jersey Will No Longer Collect Loans From Families of Dead Students

Last July, an investigation from ProPublica and The New York Times found that New Jersey’s student loan agency aggressively sought repayment of loans with already onerous terms, even after some of the recipients had died. The efforts had traumatized grieving families, and forced some into financial ruin.

The state loan agency, known formally as the Higher Education Student Assistance Authority, is responsible for roughly $1.9 billion in outstanding loans.

The agency has not yet indicated whether it will dig up the dead deadbeats for the gold in their teeth.

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BeachDem  Dec 7, 2016 • 12:39:44pm

re: #25 Charles Johnson

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Or, you could just call it “Survivor”

The president-elect said he was paid a visit a day earlier by Mark Burnett, the executive producer of “The Apprentice,” the reality show that helped make the president-elect a household name. Mr. Trump told the crowd that Mr. Burnett proposed reinventing the inauguration with a helicopter taking off from New York City, according to an attendee.

Mr. Burnett, who is known for producing shows like “Survivor,” “The Voice” and “Shark Tank” as well, also told Mr. Trump that he should consider a parade up Fifth Avenue.

K-K-K-lassy.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Dec 7, 2016 • 12:39:51pm

re: #26 The Great Eye

I love this cover. Lorde said it’s her favorite cover of the song.

Have you heard this one? ;)

CAMPERS - Lorde ‘Royals’ Parody (Call of Duty: Ghosts)

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lawhawk  Dec 7, 2016 • 12:41:08pm

re: #20 Charles Johnson

I approve, other than the clown bit. We should have a clown as president elect, not singing songs. /wait, reverse it.

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Interesting Times  Dec 7, 2016 • 12:42:58pm
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retired cynic  Dec 7, 2016 • 12:44:22pm

re: #36 Shiplord Kirel

New Jersey Will No Longer Collect Loans From Families of Dead Students

The agency has not yet indicated whether it will dig up the dead deadbeats for the gold in their teeth.

We had friends who were bankrupted by that, while dealing with the loss of the son, who was still in college. They were charged with the full amount of the loans if he had finished his entire term. They were devastated in more ways that one. Horrible!!!

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lawhawk  Dec 7, 2016 • 12:46:33pm

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One has to wonder whether he’s exaggerating or not. Either way, cozying up to despots will bring nothing good.

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Charles Johnson  Dec 7, 2016 • 12:48:02pm
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HappyWarrior  Dec 7, 2016 • 12:48:27pm

re: #29 lawhawk

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And for those keeping score, the GWB EPA screwed up royally, especially when it came to air quality safety after 9/11. It had former NJ Gov. Whitman at the helm, and they fucked up. She admits as much now. But back then, they were adamant there wasn’t any problem with the air - even though you could taste the smell from miles away. It was that potent and pungent every time the wind shifted direction.

So, if GWB EPA officials are saying this is bad news, you know it is going to be yet another shit show.

Which makes me wonder just what Trump’s trying to dump.

Jesus this is bad.

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The Great Eye  Dec 7, 2016 • 12:48:29pm

re: #38 GlutenFreeJesus

Have you heard this one? ;)

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Video

That is most outstanding.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 7, 2016 • 12:52:14pm

re: #36 Shiplord Kirel

The state loan agency, known formally as the Higher Education Student Assistance Authority, is responsible for roughly $1.9 billion in outstanding loans.

I saw a map of countries whose GDP is less than total US student loan debt

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Charles Johnson  Dec 7, 2016 • 12:53:31pm
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Belafon  Dec 7, 2016 • 12:54:32pm

re: #44 HappyWarrior

Jesus this is bad.

A lot of people are counting on “checks-and-balances” to prevent some of these people from being confirmed. One of the narratives we’ll have to convey is Republicans not doing their jobs properly.

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Anymouse  Dec 7, 2016 • 12:54:49pm

re: #1 HappyWarrior

But but Trump met with Al Gore.//

But but we got two inches of snow today! It’s going to be really cold tonight!

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HappyWarrior  Dec 7, 2016 • 12:56:00pm

re: #49 Belafon

A lot of people are counting on “checks-and-balances” to prevent some of these people from being confirmed. One of the narratives we’ll have to convey is Republicans not doing their jobs properly.

Absolutely we have to these nominations. Most will unfortunately be approved but we need to attack nominees like this.

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lawhawk  Dec 7, 2016 • 12:57:44pm

Given that the GOP just included waivers for generals like Flynn and Mattis to get around the prohibition on serving in a civilian role, the GOP is rolling over to give Trump his run of positions.

Expect the GOP to try and ram through Trump’s nominees regardless of their qualifications for the job.

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Interesting Times  Dec 7, 2016 • 12:58:49pm

I must confess I’m beginning to think the same thing:

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electrotek  Dec 7, 2016 • 12:59:15pm

Piggybacking from the NPR article:

And then suddenly he turned to me and asked in an accusatory tone what I thought of Charlie Hebdo.

I must have had this confused look on my face — because I was wondering how on Earth we got from Romney to France. But I sputtered something about being a journalist, and that I don’t think killing journalists is a good idea.

He then went further. He asked me: When are all of you Muslims going to have your “million-man Muslim march” to condemn terrorism? He said intently, almost friendly — it was what we “needed to do.”

Anytime some wingnut mentions that to me, I ask them when was the last time you denounced Norwegian terrorist Anders Breivik and his slaughter of children at a youth camp to fight Islam? Let alone conservatives holding a Million-Man march instead of taking refuge in conspiracy theories because they can’t handle the fact that their own are just as capable of violence? Besides, not like Trump supporters haven’t threatened their fair share of journalists either.

Either way, if he had mentioned Charlie Hebdo to me, I would make sure I have a cover of their recent issue lampooning Cheeto Jesus to turn the tables and ask him what he thinks of that.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 7, 2016 • 12:59:36pm

re: #52 lawhawk

Given that the GOP just included waivers for generals like Flynn and Mattis to get around the prohibition on serving in a civilian role, the GOP is rolling over to give Trump his run of positions.

Expect the GOP to try and ram through Trump’s nominees regardless of their qualifications for the job.

Does Kelly require the waiver too or has he been retired long enough?

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lawhawk  Dec 7, 2016 • 12:59:45pm

GOP lying about Sessions record on desegregation? Figures. Lies. Lies. And more lies.

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electrotek  Dec 7, 2016 • 1:01:37pm

re: #46 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

OT but I just wanted to re-quote what you said in the last thread in case you missed it from the NPR article:

compared to a lot of Islamophobes, that is an enormous amount of exposure.

But then there are Islamophobes who come from Muslim countries and often say they had exposure to Islam their entire lives and know first-hand how evil Muslims are and how they are not to be trusted (i.e. Middle Eastern Christians, Iranian exiles, Indian Hindus, etc.).

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Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 7, 2016 • 1:02:43pm

re: #51 HappyWarrior

Absolutely we have to these nominations. Most will unfortunately be approved but we need to attack nominees like this.

With GOP controlling both Houses can’t Trump just rubber stamp whoever the fuck he wants?

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Rocky-in-Connecticut  Dec 7, 2016 • 1:02:53pm

At this point, can we just have the President of the Flat Earth Society appointed Head of NASA and just be done with it?

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 7, 2016 • 1:06:09pm

re: #57 electrotek

OT but I just wanted to re-quote what you said in the last thread in case you missed it from the NPR article:

re: #57 electrotek

OT but I just wanted to re-quote what you said in the last thread in case you missed it from the NPR article:

But then there are Islamophobes who come from Muslim countries and often say they had exposure to Islam their entire lives and know first-hand how evil Muslims are and how they are not to be trusted (i.e. Middle Eastern Christians, Iranian exiles, Indian Hindus, etc.).

Those are people I would at least listen to, not some fellow who bases his world view on growing up in an all-white area and listening to Fox and AM talk radio.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 7, 2016 • 1:06:11pm

Also of note: stacking the cabinet with RWNJs all but guarantees Trump can’t be 25th Amendmented out of job.

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Belafon  Dec 7, 2016 • 1:06:13pm

re: #58 Eclectic Cyborg

With GOP controlling both Houses can’t Trump just rubber stamp whoever the fuck he wants?

It will require Republicans in the Senate preventing any chance of blocking and prevent any committee from doing a hearing.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 7, 2016 • 1:06:51pm

re: #62 Belafon

It will require Republicans in the Senate preventing any chance of blocking and prevent any committee from doing a hearing.

I hope that is harder than it sounds.

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electrotek  Dec 7, 2016 • 1:08:01pm

re: #60 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

But then there are Islamophobes who come from Muslim countries and often say they had exposure to Islam their entire lives and know first-hand how evil Muslims are and how they are not to be trusted (i.e. Middle Eastern Christians, Iranian exiles, Indian Hindus, etc.).

Those are people I would at least listen to, not some fellow who bases his world view on growing up in an all-white area and listening to Fox and AM talk radio.

Careful though. We shouldn’t take the word of people like Ayaan Hirsi Ali, Bat Ye’or, or Robert Spencer at their word because of that, right?

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HappyWarrior  Dec 7, 2016 • 1:08:31pm

re: #58 Eclectic Cyborg

With GOP controlling both Houses can’t Trump just rubber stamp whoever the fuck he wants?

It’s more about publicizing how awful people like this are.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 7, 2016 • 1:09:29pm

re: #56 lawhawk

GOP lying about Sessions record on desegregation? Figures. Lies. Lies. And more lies.

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Ignoring his terrible record on students with disabilities and his opposition to legal immigration as well. Fuck Sessions and his apologists.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 7, 2016 • 1:10:51pm

re: #64 electrotek

Careful though. We shouldn’t take the word of people like Ayaan Hirsi Ali, Bat Ye’or, or Robert Spencer at their word because of that, right?

I said I would be prepared to listen to them, not necessarily take them at face value.

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electrotek  Dec 7, 2016 • 1:11:29pm

re: #67 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

haha good point

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Anymouse  Dec 7, 2016 • 1:12:32pm

re: #67 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I said I would be prepared to listen to them, not necessarily take them at face value.

Would you be prepared to tell them they’re full of crap and a pack of liars?

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Kragar  Dec 7, 2016 • 1:12:35pm
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GlutenFreeJesus  Dec 7, 2016 • 1:14:00pm

re: #56 lawhawk

Actually. Hillary is the one who exposed segregation in southern schools, and without her, it would have been ignored back then.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 7, 2016 • 1:14:28pm

re: #70 Kragar

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Yikes.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 7, 2016 • 1:14:31pm

re: #69 Anymouse

Would you be prepared to tell them they’re full of crap and a pack of liars?

I don’t understand why you are even asking that question. Listening to someone and agreeing with them (or, conversely, calling them out on lies and bullshit) are entirely different matters.

Or have you confused me with a media outlet?

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Mike Lamb  Dec 7, 2016 • 1:15:17pm

Well, it’s really cold outside—-so, you know…

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HappyWarrior  Dec 7, 2016 • 1:15:25pm

re: #71 GlutenFreeJesus

Actually. Hillary is the one who exposed segregation in southern schools, and without her, it would have been ignored back then.

Knowing Sessions he was probably one of those that cheered Wallace on.

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Charles Johnson  Dec 7, 2016 • 1:17:04pm
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Sir John Barron  Dec 7, 2016 • 1:18:20pm

re: #76 Charles Johnson

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But Obama was a dictator.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 7, 2016 • 1:20:23pm

re: #76 Charles Johnson

Boeing promises Trump to control costs on Air Force One

Boeing depends on government contracts for around 1/3 of its revenue. They have to play nice.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 7, 2016 • 1:21:58pm

sigh

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HappyWarrior  Dec 7, 2016 • 1:22:07pm

So Trump picked Linda McMahon to head the Small Business Administration. Yeah because she knows so much about small businesss.

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lawhawk  Dec 7, 2016 • 1:22:17pm

Linda McMahon, who oversaw the WWE. Gee, who didn’t see that coming.

She helped get deregulation through a bunch of states where the WWE operated so that the company wouldn’t have to go through so much red tape or oversight (you know, like those pesky PEDs that resulted in a bunch of wrestler deaths and other incidents). Oh, and she made sure WWE got state tax credits, even as the company laid off workers (sound familiar folks?)

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Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 7, 2016 • 1:22:39pm

re: #76 Charles Johnson

Well when he can tank your stock with a Tweet…

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HappyWarrior  Dec 7, 2016 • 1:23:17pm

re: #79 Backwoods_Sleuth

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sigh

Nine seconds! Well this means I have some work to do tomorrow. My job does a small business newsletter and I know our readers are going to want to know who the next SBA admin will be.

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lawhawk  Dec 7, 2016 • 1:27:01pm

re: #78 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Boeing depends on government contracts for around 1/3 of its revenue. They have to play nice.

By the same token, if Boeing doesn’t play nice, who builds the bombers and aircraft, missiles, and rockets they are doing? Your options are Lockheed Martin or Boeing for aerospace. And if one has won the contract, you can’t just give it to the other without getting hit with a ton of extra costs.

It’s not like you can cancel a contract and those costs aren’t going to get absorbed by someone. Corporate shareholders shouldn’t be happy about this - whether they’re institutional investors or the guy on the street who watches his 401k. Trump games will cost both dearly.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 7, 2016 • 1:27:36pm
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Charles Johnson  Dec 7, 2016 • 1:27:38pm

Instagram

“My dog helped me cope with disability. Now she needed me.” #nytdisability

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HappyWarrior  Dec 7, 2016 • 1:28:40pm

re: #85 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Oh no. My Dad remembers meeting him after he first went to space. Glenn, Buzz, & all the astronauts are icons.

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Scottishdragon  Dec 7, 2016 • 1:28:48pm

re: #43 Charles Johnson

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So we are getting back into the business of supporting and training 3rd world death squads.

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mmmirele  Dec 7, 2016 • 1:28:56pm

re: #54 electrotek

Piggybacking from the NPR article:

Anytime some wingnut mentions that to me, I ask them when was the last time you denounced Norwegian terrorist Anders Breivik and his slaughter of children at a youth camp to fight Islam? Let alone conservatives holding a Million-Man march instead of taking refuge in conspiracy theories because they can’t handle the fact that their own are just as capable of violence? Besides, not like Trump supporters haven’t threatened their fair share of journalists either.

Either way, if he had mentioned Charlie Hebdo to me, I would make sure I have a cover of their recent issue lampooning Cheeto Jesus to turn the tables and ask him what he thinks of that.

When are Christians of all stripes going to have our Million Child March for the victims of clergy child abuse? (Not just Catholics, either.) What I’ve discovered over the years is that churches tend to back the abuser, and not the victims. And that’s just one problem. Too many churches treat women like dirt. Need I go on?

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lawhawk  Dec 7, 2016 • 1:29:41pm

Re: Linda McMahon at SBA -

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 7, 2016 • 1:30:09pm

re: #84 lawhawk

By the same token, if Boeing doesn’t play nice, who builds the bombers and aircraft, missiles, and rockets they are doing? Your options are Lockheed Martin or Boeing for aerospace. And if one has won the contract, you can’t just give it to the other without getting hit with a ton of extra costs.

It’s not like you can cancel a contract and those costs aren’t going to get absorbed by someone. Corporate shareholders shouldn’t be happy about this - whether they’re institutional investors or the guy on the street who watches his 401k. Trump games will cost both dearly.

You are assuming that Trump is not going let such rational considerations get in the way of his temper tantrums…

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 7, 2016 • 1:30:14pm
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Charles Johnson  Dec 7, 2016 • 1:30:19pm

Can anyone imagine Donald Trump ever doing something like this?

Instagram

April 2013. Greeting a young Crimson Tide fan after a celebration for the University of Alabama championship football team at the White House.

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Charles Johnson  Dec 7, 2016 • 1:31:01pm

Instagram

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Interesting Times  Dec 7, 2016 • 1:32:21pm

re: #93 Charles Johnson

Can anyone imagine Donald Trump ever doing something like this?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 7, 2016 • 1:33:42pm
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HappyWarrior  Dec 7, 2016 • 1:33:58pm

re: #92 Backwoods_Sleuth

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HappyWarrior  Dec 7, 2016 • 1:34:12pm

re: #96 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Good.

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Skip Intro  Dec 7, 2016 • 1:35:24pm

I hope Jill Stein and her voters are happy now.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 7, 2016 • 1:36:06pm
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HappyWarrior  Dec 7, 2016 • 1:36:30pm

re: #99 Skip Intro

I hope Jill Stein and her voters are happy now.

Hey they voted for the only true progressive their conscience is ckean.//

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Charles Johnson  Dec 7, 2016 • 1:37:11pm

re: #95 Interesting Times

Slightly different vibe there. Trump is incapable of producing a smile that doesn’t look menacing.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 7, 2016 • 1:37:25pm
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Anymouse  Dec 7, 2016 • 1:37:25pm

re: #73 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I don’t understand why you are even asking that question. Listening to someone and agreeing with them (or, conversely, calling them out on lies and bullshit) are entirely different matters.

Or have you confused me with a media outlet?

Sorry, should have added /s.

I need to get off here for now, as I have to go into town. Money won’t withdraw itself from the bank. (Trip begins tomorrow.)

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calochortus  Dec 7, 2016 • 1:40:20pm

re: #76 Charles Johnson

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I note that they didn’t say they were going to reduce costs in any way-they just said “yeah, we’ll keep an eye on it.”

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Anymouse  Dec 7, 2016 • 1:40:46pm

re: #89 mmmirele

When are Christians of all stripes going to have our Million Child March for the victims of clergy child abuse? (Not just Catholics, either.) What I’ve discovered over the years is that churches tend to back the abuser, and not the victims. And that’s just one problem. Too many churches treat women like dirt. Need I go on?

Massive list of Protestant clergy accused of sexual assault or rape, or child abuse:

reformation.com

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Anymouse  Dec 7, 2016 • 1:41:42pm

re: #106 Anymouse

Well, poo. The link no longer works for some reason.

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Rocky-in-Connecticut  Dec 7, 2016 • 1:42:22pm

re: #96 Backwoods_Sleuth

The confirmation hearings are going to be a sh*tshow of conspiracy nutloons trotting out hoax after hoax presented as truth. Sadly, I think the American public are so confused or disinterested about any sort of real evidence, real data, or simple facts and truth at this point these hearings will likely be a rubber stamp.

As far as I am concerned, America is now a non-scientific, fear-based agent of harm towards the world. The brain drain out of the country will be the next step down the sh*thole into mediocrity, similar to Russia right now.

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JasonA  Dec 7, 2016 • 1:42:41pm

Man, America is gonna pay through the nose for this election.

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Charles Johnson  Dec 7, 2016 • 1:43:10pm
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Myron Falwell (no relation)  Dec 7, 2016 • 1:43:24pm
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Interesting Times  Dec 7, 2016 • 1:45:06pm

re: #102 Charles Johnson

Slightly different vibe there. Trump is incapable of producing a smile that doesn’t look menacing.

I know. I posted it to confirm the subtext of “Can anyone imagine Donald Trump ever doing something like this without it looking contrived and creepy as hell?”

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Anymouse  Dec 7, 2016 • 1:45:45pm

re: #110 Charles Johnson

Twitter doesn’t want to lose Chuck’s business grift to Gab. Freeze Peach, y’know.

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Sir John Barron  Dec 7, 2016 • 1:46:00pm

re: #109 JasonA

Man, America is gonna pay through the nose for this election.

Conservatives have really hit the jackpot with this election. Trump’s nominees are basically all Reaganites.

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austin_blue  Dec 7, 2016 • 1:47:11pm

re: #103 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Let’s get ready to RUUUUMMMMBLLLE!

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austin_blue  Dec 7, 2016 • 1:48:23pm

re: #114 Sir John Barron

Conservatives have really hit the jackpot with this election. Trump’s nominees are basically all Reaganites.

No. Reagan’s Cabinet had sane people in it. These are rabid Reactionists.

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Belafon  Dec 7, 2016 • 1:48:40pm

re: #109 JasonA

Man, America is gonna pay through the nose for this election.

We’re going to find out that the voters were correct to reject him and what happens when you let the losing minority be in charge.

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Myron Falwell (no relation)  Dec 7, 2016 • 1:50:01pm

re: #103 Backwoods_Sleuth

Two words.

Chris.
Benoit.

en.wikipedia.org

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Scottishdragon  Dec 7, 2016 • 1:50:01pm
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Anymouse  Dec 7, 2016 • 1:50:58pm

re: #117 Belafon

We’re going to find out that the voters were correct to reject him and what happens when you let the losing minority be in charge.

Unfortunately, that includes the majority that didn’t vote for the minority President not-yet elect, and the damage will be a long time fixing (if it can be fixed).

As much as I dislike Governor Pence’s politics, if he had been the nominee I can’t seem him selecting this cabal of dangerous wingnuts and grifters.

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Arkansawyer  Dec 7, 2016 • 1:51:37pm

re: #119 Scottishdragon

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Bottoms Up is not sleazy, and Tish is a damn angel!

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Myron Falwell (no relation)  Dec 7, 2016 • 1:51:40pm

re: #114 Sir John Barron

Conservatives have really hit the jackpot with this election. Trump’s nominees are basically all Reaganites.

They make Reagan look like a Reagan Democrat.

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Scottishdragon  Dec 7, 2016 • 1:51:49pm
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HappyWarrior  Dec 7, 2016 • 1:52:27pm

re: #120 Anymouse

Unfortunately, that includes the majority that didn’t vote for the minority President not-yet elect, and the damage will be a long time fixing (if it can be fixed).

As much as I dislike Governor Pence’s politics, if he had been the nominee I can’t seem him selecting this cabal of dangerous wingnuts and grifters.

Honestly I can for a lot of them. Maybe not Bannon but guys like Ross, Sessions, and Price I can easily see in a Pence administration.

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Anymouse  Dec 7, 2016 • 1:52:41pm

re: #119 Scottishdragon

I know topless dancers (don’t ask). They actually work for a living. By-and-large they are honest.

A topless dancer has more ethics and morals in her pinky than this crew of misfits Mr. Trump is assembling.

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Charles Johnson  Dec 7, 2016 • 1:53:52pm
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Scottishdragon  Dec 7, 2016 • 1:56:59pm

re: #125 Anymouse

I know topless dancers (don’t ask). They actually work for a living. By-and-large they are honest.

A topless dancer has more ethics and morals in her pinky than this crew of misfits Mr. Trump is assembling.

I would imagine so. However, neither a dancer from a skin bar nor Linda McMahon have any business in the cabinet. I used such an example from my memory of time spent in Red State conservative Georgia where topless bars were just as common as churches, and frequented by the same men from Saturday night to Sunday morning. You could just as easily substitute a NASCAR pit crew guy instead, really.

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William Lewis  Dec 7, 2016 • 1:58:56pm

re: #126 Charles Johnson

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As long as they aren’t threatening famous people (IOW threatening the revenue stream) they don’t care. They did their eye wash pretend “clean up” , that’s all they’ll do. Twitter isn’t worth a cup of warm spit.

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Stanley Sea  Dec 7, 2016 • 2:00:22pm
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Sir John Barron  Dec 7, 2016 • 2:00:58pm

re: #122 Myron Falwell (no relation)

They make Reagan look like a Reagan Democrat.

Second coming of the Reagan Administration without the competence and without a Dem majority in at least one house of Congress to provide a check.

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Stanley Sea  Dec 7, 2016 • 2:01:49pm

We are so fucked.

Does she have to be confirmed?

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Charles Johnson  Dec 7, 2016 • 2:02:08pm

re: #128 William Lewis

As long as they aren’t threatening famous people (IOW threatening the revenue stream) they don’t care. They did their eye wash pretend “clean up” , that’s all they’ll do. Twitter isn’t worth a cup of warm spit.

But they are threatening lots of famous people. Take a look at their timeline.

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William Lewis  Dec 7, 2016 • 2:02:17pm

re: #130 Sir John Barron

Second coming of the Reagan Administration without the competence and without a Dem majority in at least one house of Congress to provide a check.

And it’ll only get worse in 2018 when the democrats lose seats in the Senate because of the usual midterm lack of turnout.

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Anymouse  Dec 7, 2016 • 2:02:20pm

re: #127 Scottishdragon

I would imagine so. However, neither a dancer from a skin bar nor Linda McMahon have any business in the cabinet. I used such an example from my memory of time spent in Red State conservative Georgia where topless bars were just as common as churches, and frequented by the same men from Saturday night to Sunday morning. You could just as easily substitute a NASCAR pit crew guy instead, really.

I suppose that would depend on what sort of knowledge the topless dancer has. One of those I know has a PhD in Psychology. (That is a useful set of knowledge for topless dancing.) She does it because she likes to, not because she needs to.

Heck, my town just installed a vice-mayor who is also an erotic Romance novel editor, so there is that. /s

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HappyWarrior  Dec 7, 2016 • 2:02:52pm

re: #131 Stanley Sea

We are so fucked.

Does she have to be confirmed?

McMahon? Yes.

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danarchy  Dec 7, 2016 • 2:03:43pm

re: #89 mmmirele

When are Christians of all stripes going to have our Million Child March for the victims of clergy child abuse? (Not just Catholics, either.) What I’ve discovered over the years is that churches tend to back the abuser, and not the victims. And that’s just one problem. Too many churches treat women like dirt. Need I go on?

So I seem to recall when looking into this a while back is that there is no more abuse by clergy than by any other group that tends to have close association with children(teachers, youth groups, coaches etc.) and the poor handling of it seams to be ubiquitous as well.

I guess clergy may be held to a higher standard, because well…they are clergy.

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I Would Prefer Not To  Dec 7, 2016 • 2:05:04pm

re: #134 Anymouse

I suppose that would depend on what sort of knowledge the topless dancer has. One of those I know has a PhD in Psychology. (That is a useful set of knowledge for topless dancing.) She does it because she likes to, not because she needs to.

Heck, my town just installed a vice-mayor who is also an erotic Romance novel editor, so there is that. /s

My country just voted for an narcissistic reality TV host…nevermind

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 7, 2016 • 2:05:15pm

re: #114 Sir John Barron

Conservatives have really hit the jackpot with this election. Trump’s nominees are basically all Reaganites.

He is their saint…this is the GOP Counter-Reformation, guess

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Scottishdragon  Dec 7, 2016 • 2:05:33pm

re: #134 Anymouse

I suppose that would depend on what sort of knowledge the topless dancer has. One of those I know has a PhD in Psychology. (That is a useful set of knowledge for topless dancing.) She does it because she likes to, not because she needs to.

Heck, my town just installed a vice-mayor who is also an erotic Romance novel editor, so there is that. /s

Point taken. I know several adult actresses have had advanced degrees. You find the work you like…and I was getting close to slut shaming, although that was not my intent.

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William Lewis  Dec 7, 2016 • 2:06:16pm

re: #132 Charles Johnson

But they are threatening lots of famous people. Take a look at their timeline.

But Twitter is not seeing a threat to their revenue. Look at what it took to get Rage Furby banned. Without that, Twitter doesn’t care - at the very least that is the only conclusion I can draw and it’s why I walked away from it a couple of years ago. What good it does cannot outweigh the harm it does by giving these kind of people a voice.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 7, 2016 • 2:07:09pm

re: #140 William Lewis

But Twitter is not seeing a threat to their revenue. Look at what it took to get Rage Furby banned. Without that, Twitter doesn’t care - at the very least that is the only conclusion I can draw and it’s why I walked away from it a couple of years ago. What good it does cannot outweigh the harm it does by giving these kind of people a voice.

You explain why I have not gone near it in any sense. I already see too much of it just following this site.

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William Lewis  Dec 7, 2016 • 2:08:37pm

re: #131 Stanley Sea

We are so fucked.

Does she have to be confirmed?

All the hearings in a GOP majority Senate:

Chair: Confirmation hearing open!
Chair: Are you a good Republican?
XXX: Yes!
Chair: Send to the floor for a vote!
Chair: Hearing closed!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 7, 2016 • 2:09:17pm

good grief

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 7, 2016 • 2:10:35pm

re: #143 Backwoods_Sleuth

Told by @terrymeiners that coal industry has to evolve, Bevin replied “why would it have to continue to evolve?” Said just get rid of regs

because without safety and environmental regulations, coal would prosper

the logic is irrefutable

/

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Anymouse  Dec 7, 2016 • 2:11:08pm

re: #139 Scottishdragon

Point taken. I know several adult actresses have had advanced degrees. You find the work you like…and I was getting close to slut shaming, although that was not my intent.

I understand you didn’t mean to stereotype. All of us do it from time to time (I seem to recall a crap-fest I started here last week over a stereotype I propagated here, even though it was not my stereotype.)

We’re good.

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TedStriker  Dec 7, 2016 • 2:11:38pm

re: #37 BeachDem

Or, you could just call it “Survivor”

The president-elect said he was paid a visit a day earlier by Mark Burnett, the executive producer of “The Apprentice,” the reality show that helped make the president-elect a household name. Mr. Trump told the crowd that Mr. Burnett proposed reinventing the inauguration with a helicopter taking off from New York City, according to an attendee.

Mr. Burnett, who is known for producing shows like “Survivor,” “The Voice” and “Shark Tank” as well, also told Mr. Trump that he should consider a parade up Fifth Avenue.

K-K-K-lassy.

The reality show-ification of our government proceeds apace.

May God have mercy on our souls…

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Skip Intro  Dec 7, 2016 • 2:12:15pm

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Skip Intro  Dec 7, 2016 • 2:13:20pm

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makeitstop  Dec 7, 2016 • 2:13:44pm

re: #146 TedStriker

The reality show-ification of our government proceeds apace.

May God have mercy on our souls…

Suddenly I want to vomit.

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 7, 2016 • 2:15:36pm

re: #54 electrotek

Anytime some wingnut mentions that to me, I ask them when was the last time you denounced Norwegian terrorist Anders Breivik and his slaughter of children at a youth camp to fight Islam?

The wingnut talking point is to blame Little Green Footballs.

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Scottishdragon  Dec 7, 2016 • 2:17:31pm

Read this. Take the time.

I grew up knowing that my great-grandfather smuggled guns into the Bialystok ghetto for the resistance, which staged an armed uprising there in August 1943. As an adult, researching a book about collaboration and resistance, using my own family history, I found out why my great-grandfather had been in a position to arm the resistance: he was one of the leaders of the Bialystok Judenrat, the Nazi-appointed Jewish council that ran the ghetto.

My great-grandfather’s story was at once an extreme and a typical example. Criminal regimes function in part by forcing the maximum number of subjects to participate in the atrocities. For nearly a century, individuals in various parts of the Western world have struggled with the question of how, and how much, we should engage politically and personally with governments that we find morally abhorrent.

With the election of Donald Trump—a candidate who has lied his way into power, openly embraced racist discourse and violence, toyed with the idea of jailing his opponents, boasted of his assaults on women and his avoidance of taxes, and denigrated the traditional checks and balances of government—this question has confronted us as urgently as ever. After I wrote a piece about surviving autocracy, a great many people have asked me about one of my proposed rules: “Do not compromise.” What constitutes compromise? How is it possible to avoid it? Why should one not compromise?…

…In Bialystok ghetto, my great-grandfather’s responsibility in the Judenrat was to ensure that the ghetto was supplied with food. He ran the trucks that brought food in and took garbage out, he ran the canteen and supervised the community gardens that a group of young socialists planted. He also discouraged the young socialists from trying to organize a resistance movement: it would be of no use and would only jeopardize the ghetto’s inhabitants. It took him almost two years to change his mind about the resistance efforts, as he slowly lost hope that the Judenrat, by generally following the rules and keeping the ghetto inhabitants in line, would be able to save at least some of them.

As in other ghettos, the Judenrat was ultimately given the task of compiling the lists of Jews to be “liquidated.” The Bialystok Judenrat accepted the job, and there is every indication that my great-grandfather took part in the process. The arguments in defense of producing the list, in Bialystok and elsewhere, were pragmatic: the killing was going to occur anyway; by cooperating, the Judenrat could try to reduce the number of people the Nazis were planning to kill (in Bialystok, this worked, though in the end the ghetto, like all other ghettos, was “liquidated”); by compiling the lists, the Judenrat could prevent random killing, instead choosing to sacrifice those who were already near death from disease or starvation. These were strong arguments. There is always a strong argument.

But what if the Jews had refused to cooperate?

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Anymouse  Dec 7, 2016 • 2:17:54pm

Be back later. (I just stepped outside, brrr wind. NWS says wind chill might reach -30 tonight and in the morning when we leave. I guess the Smart’s heater is going to get a workout.)

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Romantic Heretic  Dec 7, 2016 • 2:18:23pm

re: #42 lawhawk

It won’t be long before ‘Nanlaban’ will be happening to dissidents and Duterte’s opponents. If it isn’t already.

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thedopefishlives  Dec 7, 2016 • 2:19:06pm

Evening Lizardim.

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Charles Johnson  Dec 7, 2016 • 2:19:52pm

Instagram

💩

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 7, 2016 • 2:20:26pm

oh, why not….
*spit*

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wrenchwench  Dec 7, 2016 • 2:23:29pm

re: #154 thedopefishlives

Evening Lizardim.

It’s not evening yet. The owls would be out.

It’s evening.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 7, 2016 • 2:25:10pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 7, 2016 • 2:28:57pm
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Romantic Heretic  Dec 7, 2016 • 2:29:34pm

re: #109 JasonA

Man, America is gonna pay through the nose for this election.

And not just in money.

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Timothy Watson  Dec 7, 2016 • 2:29:58pm

New media narrative: Domestic terrorist in the Comet Pizza shooting was “aimless” but “well-meaning” who “sometimes had trouble detaching himself from the internet.”
wtop.com

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Timothy Watson  Dec 7, 2016 • 2:34:41pm
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Timothy Watson  Dec 7, 2016 • 2:36:12pm
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wrenchwench  Dec 7, 2016 • 2:37:46pm

I get it now. ‘Drain the swamp’ into the White House.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 7, 2016 • 2:40:31pm

O_o

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Sir John Barron  Dec 7, 2016 • 2:41:06pm

re: #161 Timothy Watson

New media narrative: Domestic terrorist in the Comet Pizza shooting was “aimless” but “well-meaning” who “sometimes had trouble detaching himself from the internet.”
wtop.com

jfc.

Our liberal media, everyone.

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ObserverArt  Dec 7, 2016 • 2:42:12pm

re: #76 Charles Johnson

@FRANCE24


4:16 PM - 7 Dec 2016
Charles Johnson ✔
@Green_Footballs
The largest corporations in the US are already knuckling under to Trump’s threats.

The Trump lovers are going to eat that up. To them knuckling under means those big companies have been screwing everyone for a long time and now that Trump is large and in charge that will stop.

Drain the business swamp!

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Sir John Barron  Dec 7, 2016 • 2:42:59pm

re: #165 Backwoods_Sleuth

O_o

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fake account?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 7, 2016 • 2:43:41pm

re: #168 Sir John Barron

fake account?

it has a blue checkmark

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William Lewis  Dec 7, 2016 • 2:43:43pm

re: #161 Timothy Watson

New media narrative: Domestic terrorist in the Comet Pizza shooting was “aimless” but “well-meaning” who “sometimes had trouble detaching himself from the internet.”
wtop.com

Nauseating. I emailed the GM at WTOP and called them out on that crap.

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Sir John Barron  Dec 7, 2016 • 2:44:33pm

re: #156 Backwoods_Sleuth

oh, why not….
*spit*

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let’s talk more about Hillary corruption.

/

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Citizen K  Dec 7, 2016 • 2:46:52pm

re: #161 Timothy Watson

New media narrative: Domestic terrorist in the Comet Pizza shooting was “aimless” but “well-meaning” who “sometimes had trouble detaching himself from the internet.”
wtop.com

What the hell is with media constantly trying to get us to relate to whackjobs who act violently on right-wing conspiracy shit? Jesus fucking christ.

Meanwhile BLM and like are treated like fucking History’s Greatest Monsters that personally created racism.

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William Lewis  Dec 7, 2016 • 2:47:36pm

Oh, lovely ad on the top of the right column right now for me:

“Voter Opinion Poll: Should Hillary STILL Be Indicted?”

I really wish I wasn’t too broke to support the site properly.

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ObserverArt  Dec 7, 2016 • 2:48:54pm

re: #85 Backwoods_Sleuth

clevelanddotcom✔
@clevelanddotcom
BREAKING: John Glenn has been hospitalized and is in poor health. s.cleveland.com
2:42 PM - 7 Dec 2016

Awwwww…no, not John Glenn. I knew this day was coming. Last time I saw anything of him he was looking like he had been losing weight and appeared frail.

2016. Damn.

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Scottishdragon  Dec 7, 2016 • 2:48:54pm

motherboard.vice.com

(Sociologist Johan) Galtung later began to apply his model to the United States. In 1996, he wrote a scientific paper published by George Mason University’s Institute for Conflict Analysis & Resolution warning that “the USA will soon go the same way as [previous] imperial constructions… decline and fall.”

Fascism?

But the main book setting out Galtung’s fascinating forecast for the US is his 2009 book, The Fall of the American Empire—and then What?

The book sets out a whopping 15 “synchronizing and mutually reinforcing contradictions” afflicting the US, which he says will lead to US global power ending by 2020—within just four years. Galtung warned that during this phase of decline, the US was likely to go through a phase of reactionary “fascism”.

He argued that American fascism would come from a capacity for tremendous global violence; a vision of American exceptionalism as the “fittest nation”; a belief in a coming final war between good and evil; a cult of the strong state leading the fight of good against evil; and a cult of the “strong leader”

.

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BeachDem  Dec 7, 2016 • 2:49:32pm

re: #161 Timothy Watson

New media narrative: Domestic terrorist in the Comet Pizza shooting was “aimless” but “well-meaning” who “sometimes had trouble detaching himself from the internet.” white.
wtop.com

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BeachDem  Dec 7, 2016 • 2:50:51pm

re: #166 Sir John Barron

jfc.

Our liberal media, everyone.

The Washington Post love letter was even more flowery.

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TedStriker  Dec 7, 2016 • 2:51:24pm

re: #174 ObserverArt

Awwwww…no, not John Glenn. I knew this day was coming. Last time I saw anything of him he was looking like he had been losing weight and appeared frail.

2016. Damn.

It’s time to kill 2016 with fire.

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Feline Fearless Leader  Dec 7, 2016 • 2:52:46pm

re: #159 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Drained that swamp… right into the White House.

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Citizen K  Dec 7, 2016 • 2:52:51pm

Every day, more and more, I’m running into the feeling that as a non-white person, as a liberal, as someone living on the ‘godless coastal liberal enclaves’, etc, that all of America hates me and wants to see me and anyone else like me (or even ‘worse’ by their estimation) burn alive for the good of ‘their country’.

This country hates us. It really does. It fucking wants us to die because we’re not ‘Real Americans’.

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Sir John Barron  Dec 7, 2016 • 2:54:37pm

re: #169 Backwoods_Sleuth

it has a blue checkmark

It’s a shame when celebrities get their twitter accounts hacked.

///

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Belafon  Dec 7, 2016 • 2:56:17pm

re: #175 Scottishdragon

motherboard.vice.com

.

Because too many white people believe they deserve to be rewarded.

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EPR-radar  Dec 7, 2016 • 2:56:43pm

re: #180 Citizen K

Every day, more and more, I’m running into the feeling that as a non-white person, as a liberal, as someone living on the ‘godless coastal liberal enclaves’, etc, that all of America hates me and wants to see me and anyone else like me (or even ‘worse’ by their estimation) burn alive for the good of ‘their country’.

This country hates us. It really does. It fucking wants us to die because we’re not ‘Real Americans’.

That’s pretty much true of Republican voters, but they are less than half the 2016 electorate.

I’m not yet willing to concede that America is Republiklan fascism.

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Citizen K  Dec 7, 2016 • 2:58:19pm

re: #184 EPR-radar

That’s pretty much true of Republican voters, but they are less than half the 2016 electorate.

I’m not yet willing to concede that America is Republiklan fascism.

At some point, it really doesn’t matter how much of America they make up numerically. They pretty much own all the goddamn levers and institutions. The institution of America has rung out its voice and saying “You Don’t Fucking Belong, Leave or Die”

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 7, 2016 • 2:59:43pm
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BeachDem  Dec 7, 2016 • 3:00:05pm

re: #180 Citizen K

Every day, more and more, I’m running into the feeling that as a non-white person, as a liberal, as someone living on the ‘godless coastal liberal enclaves’, etc, that all of America hates me and wants to see me and anyone else like me (or even ‘worse’ by their estimation) burn alive for the good of ‘their country’.

This country hates us. It really does. It fucking wants us to die because we’re not ‘Real Americans’.

I know they’re the loudest and most visible, but please know that they’re not everyone—they’re not even the majority. And, although we can’t all relate directly to what you’re feeling, many of us belong to some other hated group, and we share an important common trait—empathy. Also, know that we will stand beside you (and in front of you if need be) to tell them FUCK NO.

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thedopefishlives  Dec 7, 2016 • 3:00:06pm

re: #174 ObserverArt

Awwwww…no, not John Glenn. I knew this day was coming. Last time I saw anything of him he was looking like he had been losing weight and appeared frail.

2016. Damn.

Goddamn it.

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(alpuz)  Dec 7, 2016 • 3:00:15pm

re: #180 Citizen K

To the ‘they’ you’re a caricature of well oiled right-wing propaganda mill. I’m a born and raised liberal Wisconsinite and have been watching the mill churn since at least ‘09 probably long before. ‘They’ don’t know what they hate… they just know they should hate something.

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whitebeach  Dec 7, 2016 • 3:01:11pm

Goddamit, I knew it was gonna be bad, and tried to prepare myself even before the results were in, just in case. But I never imagined that every single damned Trump appointee would be virtually the worst person in the country for the position.

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Timothy Watson  Dec 7, 2016 • 3:03:24pm

re: #189 (alpuz)

To the ‘they’ you’re a caricature of well oiled right-wing propaganda mill. I’m a born and raised liberal Wisconsinite and have been watching the mill churn since at least ‘09 probably long before. ‘They’ don’t know what they hate… they just know they should hate something.

It’s amazing how Pavlovian the conditioning is. Find a wingnut and say Hillary Clinton’s name and the response is so quick that there is no way they had the time to think through their response or why they said it.

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petesh  Dec 7, 2016 • 3:06:22pm

re: #190 whitebeach

Goddamit, I knew it was gonna be bad, and tried to prepare myself even before the results were in, just in case. But I never imagined that every single damned Trump appointee would be virtually the worst person in the country for the position.

Seems like he picks who he knows (and Generals)

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(alpuz)  Dec 7, 2016 • 3:06:58pm

re: #191 Timothy Watson

It’s amazing how Pavlovian the conditioning is. Find a wingnut and say Hillary Clinton’s name and the response is so quick that there is no way they had the time to think through their response or why they said it.

Yeah, I first witnessed that phenomenon back during the ‘W’ experiment with my dad. Then again with people I consider(ed) friends during Obama’s first term. It’s only gotten worse.

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Barefoot Grin  Dec 7, 2016 • 3:08:58pm

re: #182 William Lewis

Fuck this year.

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Thank you so much!
“take me to the dance and hold me tight”

Richard and Linda Thompson - Down Where The Drunkards Roll (montage)

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ObserverArt  Dec 7, 2016 • 3:09:16pm

re: #164 wrenchwench

I get it now. ‘Drain the swamp’ into the White House.

Sewer backup. Same thing.

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Myron Falwell (no relation)  Dec 7, 2016 • 3:10:28pm

re: #187 BeachDem

I know they’re the loudest and most visible, but please know that they’re not everyone—they’re not even the majority. And, although we can’t all relate directly to what you’re feeling, many of us belong to some other hated group, and we share an important common trait—empath. Also, know that we will stand beside you (and in front of you if need be) to tell them FUCK NO.

Exactly. The simpletons in the GOP rank-and-file expect us to roll over and immediately surrender to their theocratic dreams. It’s not going to happen without a fight.

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wrenchwench  Dec 7, 2016 • 3:11:59pm

Gotta be white. He was shot with beanbags and not arrested.

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BeachDem  Dec 7, 2016 • 3:14:54pm

WHAT THE FUCK (how did I miss this?)

Now, a group of advisors to President-elect Donald Trump on Native American issues wants to free those resources from what they call a suffocating federal bureaucracy that holds title to 56 million acres of tribal lands, two chairmen of the coalition told Reuters in exclusive interviews.

The group proposes to put those lands into private ownership - a politically explosive idea that could upend more than century of policy designed to preserve Indian tribes on U.S.-owned reservations, which are governed by tribal leaders as sovereign nations.

reuters.com

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 7, 2016 • 3:17:51pm

re: #199 BeachDem

The 56 million acres of tribal land contains about a fifth of the nation’s oil and gas reserves, which in 2009 were valued at $1.5 trillion,

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ObserverArt  Dec 7, 2016 • 3:20:33pm

re: #199 BeachDem

WHAT THE FUCK (how did I miss this?)

Now, a group of advisors to President-elect Donald Trump on Native American issues wants to free those resources from what they call a suffocating federal bureaucracy that holds title to 56 million acres of tribal lands, two chairmen of the coalition told Reuters in exclusive interviews.

The group proposes to put those lands into private ownership - a politically explosive idea that could upend more than century of policy designed to preserve Indian tribes on U.S.-owned reservations, which are governed by tribal leaders as sovereign nations.

reuters.com

Makes you wonder if the Native groups Trump fought with over casinos has caused him to label all Native Americans as worthy to be on one of his payback lists.

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Jebediah, RBG  Dec 7, 2016 • 3:21:16pm

re: #187 BeachDem

Also, know that we will stand beside you (and in front of you if need be) to tell them FUCK NO.

God damn right.

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Barefoot Grin  Dec 7, 2016 • 3:21:22pm

re: #201 ObserverArt

Makes you wonder if the Native groups Trump fought with over casinos has caused him to label all Native Americans as worthy to be on one of his payback lists.

He’s found tribal members who want to cash in. It will be divide and conquer.

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makeitstop  Dec 7, 2016 • 3:22:40pm

re: #169 Backwoods_Sleuth

it has a blue checkmark

Re-writing history. Now they can, unimpeded.

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Myron Falwell (no relation)  Dec 7, 2016 • 3:23:32pm

re: #199 BeachDem

This country is poised to explode in violence and bloodshed. Trump eagerly wants to light the spark and the GOP rank-and-file will rub their hands in approval.

I will turn my back on this country and fight for the First Nations. This is not hyperbole.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 7, 2016 • 3:24:26pm
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(alpuz)  Dec 7, 2016 • 3:25:09pm

re: #199 BeachDem

There’s money in them there lands. Wish this was snark.

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 7, 2016 • 3:25:20pm

re: #144 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

because without safety and environmental regulations, coal would prosper

the logic is irrefutable

/

Well yeah, whenever a bunch of miners die there are job openings!

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GlutenFreeJesus  Dec 7, 2016 • 3:26:29pm

re: #167 ObserverArt

But when they raise costs, and cut wages/jobs, it’s because of “too much government regulation”.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 7, 2016 • 3:27:11pm

re: #207 (alpuz)

There’s money in them there lands. Wish this was snark.

$1.5 Trillion as a starting point.

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Myron Falwell (no relation)  Dec 7, 2016 • 3:31:09pm

re: #207 (alpuz)

There’s money in them there lands. Wish this was snark.

Greed of the old white man has run forever. White supremacism unfortunately built this country.

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Targetpractice  Dec 7, 2016 • 3:31:35pm

re: #199 BeachDem

WHAT THE FUCK (how did I miss this?)

Now, a group of advisors to President-elect Donald Trump on Native American issues wants to free those resources from what they call a suffocating federal bureaucracy that holds title to 56 million acres of tribal lands, two chairmen of the coalition told Reuters in exclusive interviews.

The group proposes to put those lands into private ownership - a politically explosive idea that could upend more than century of policy designed to preserve Indian tribes on U.S.-owned reservations, which are governed by tribal leaders as sovereign nations.

reuters.com

“We only want some of your land for these beads, we won’t take all of it.”

“We only want a bit more of your land, but we promise this treaty will protect the rest.”

“We only want to move you to these reservations, but we’ll leave you with lands sacred to your people.”

“Yeah, about those sacred lands…”

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Dave In Austin  Dec 7, 2016 • 3:33:54pm

In other news, I stayed away from the puter most of the day. Christ on a cracker…

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BeachDem  Dec 7, 2016 • 3:35:01pm

re: #203 Barefoot Grin

He’s found tribal members who want to cash in. It will be divide and conquer.

Yep—and one of the looniest rightwingers, Markwayne Mullin, who is a member of the Cherokee Nation (but whose loyalties seem to lie more with Markwayne Mullin) is pushing it.

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FormerDirtDart  Dec 7, 2016 • 3:35:47pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 7, 2016 • 3:35:59pm
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Charles Johnson  Dec 7, 2016 • 3:40:39pm

Instagram

#Drumpf for the NYT

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GlutenFreeJesus  Dec 7, 2016 • 3:41:04pm

re: #213 Dave In Austin

In other news, I stayed away from the puter most of the day. Christ on a cracker…

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If you’re lucky, that parrot family may take up roots there. ;)

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FormerDirtDart  Dec 7, 2016 • 3:42:40pm

Stay away from the internet for a day, and this is what greets you on your return.
WTF…

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Feline Fearless Leader  Dec 7, 2016 • 3:42:53pm

And in environmental news - thousands of snow geese moving south ahead of a storm land on the wrong lake in Montana. And die.
(Said lake was an old open pit copper mine site. Oops. Sorry about all that toxic acidic water!)

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gocart mozart  Dec 7, 2016 • 3:43:48pm
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Myron Falwell (no relation)  Dec 7, 2016 • 3:45:38pm

re: #175 Scottishdragon

motherboard.vice.com

It’s very prescient. I believe him.

Consider the following passage WRT if when Trump greedily grabs First Nations land (and the violent war that will inevitably result as the country is further torn apart):

But this global collapse, also has potential domestic implications. Galtung warned that the decline of American power on the world stage would probably have a domestic impact that would undermine the internal cohesion of the United States:

“As a trans-border structure the collapse I am thinking of is global, not domestic. But it may have domestic repercussion, like white supremacists or even minorities like Hawaiians, Inuits, indigenous Americans, and black Americans doing the same, maybe arguing for the United States as community, confederation rather than a ‘union’.”

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FormerDirtDart  Dec 7, 2016 • 3:45:52pm

God damn you 2016. How about you just sit back and chill for a few weeks…

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allegro  Dec 7, 2016 • 3:45:56pm

re: #220 Feline Fearless Leader

And in environmental news - thousands of snow geese moving south ahead of a storm land on the wrong lake in Montana. And die.
(Said lake was an old open pit copper mine site. Oops. Sorry about all that toxic acidic water!)

But windmills! Killing all those birds!!

Too many regulations! Killing all those mines!

My disgust cannot be expressed.

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BeachDem  Dec 7, 2016 • 3:46:26pm

Go Ed Markey: (bolding mine, but probably Ed’s as well.)

“I will vigorously oppose Scott Pruitt’s nomination and urge President-elect Trump to stop nominating science-denying, oil-soaked, climate change-causing polluter allies to his cabinet.”

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 7, 2016 • 3:46:27pm

re: #220 Feline Fearless Leader

And in environmental news - thousands of snow geese moving south ahead of a storm land on the wrong lake in Montana. And die.
(Said lake was an old open pit copper mine site. Oops. Sorry about all that toxic acidic water!)

collateral damage. it’s to be expected….

////////////////////

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Dec 7, 2016 • 3:47:17pm

/looks at news
/looks at world
/goes back to bed

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goddamnedfrank  Dec 7, 2016 • 3:48:04pm
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ObserverArt  Dec 7, 2016 • 3:48:39pm

re: #220 Feline Fearless Leader

And in environmental news - thousands of snow geese moving south ahead of a storm land on the wrong lake in Montana. And die.
(Said lake was an old open pit copper mine site. Oops. Sorry about all that toxic acidic water!)

With news of the day about the proposed head of the EPA, this may not be a rare occurrence in the future.

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Charles Johnson  Dec 7, 2016 • 3:48:41pm
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gocart mozart  Dec 7, 2016 • 3:48:51pm
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ObserverArt  Dec 7, 2016 • 3:49:52pm

re: #223 FormerDirtDart

God damn you 2016. How about you just sit back and chill for a few weeks…

[Embedded content]

More comments about that back up the thread when it was originally reported.

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wrenchwench  Dec 7, 2016 • 3:50:56pm

re: #220 Feline Fearless Leader

And in environmental news - thousands of snow geese moving south ahead of a storm land on the wrong lake in Montana. And die.
(Said lake was an old open pit copper mine site. Oops. Sorry about all that toxic acidic water!)

Link? I’m surrounded by open pit copper mines (OK, there are two in the county.)

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JasonA  Dec 7, 2016 • 3:51:38pm

re: #223 FormerDirtDart

God damn you 2016. How about you just sit back and chill for a few weeks…

[Embedded content]

Can’t really fault the man if he wants to check out now. He’s done enough.

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Feline Fearless Leader  Dec 7, 2016 • 3:52:24pm

re: #233 wrenchwench

Link? I’m surrounded by open pit copper mines (OK, there are two in the county.)

latimes.com

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Dec 7, 2016 • 3:52:39pm

re: #230 Charles Johnson

They missed Teen Vogue.

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(alpuz)  Dec 7, 2016 • 3:54:31pm

re: #230 Charles Johnson

You knew that was coming.

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wrenchwench  Dec 7, 2016 • 3:55:08pm

re: #235 Feline Fearless Leader

latimes.com

Thank you.

Yikes.

Officials are still determining the total number of dead birds. The task is complicated because boats cannot go out onto the water, so counts can be obtained only via telescope and drone or aircraft footage.

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Jebediah, RBG  Dec 7, 2016 • 3:56:12pm

re: #220 Feline Fearless Leader

god damn it

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Nyet  Dec 7, 2016 • 3:57:14pm

Charles and the Lizards, is there any interest in a further expose of Preston Wiginton based on Russian sources? If there is, I could attempt something during the weekend.

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Charles Johnson  Dec 7, 2016 • 3:58:07pm
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Charles Johnson  Dec 7, 2016 • 4:01:39pm
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gocart mozart  Dec 7, 2016 • 4:01:40pm
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KGxvi  Dec 7, 2016 • 4:01:47pm

re: #219 FormerDirtDart

While I take issue with calling her a co-founder of the WWE (yes, she and Vince owned the company that bought the company that his father and grandfather built, but the product was long established)… it’s not entirely surprising. Trump has been playing the spoils game - that’s why a donor has been tapped for the Dept of Education. And the McMahons have donated a hefty amount to Trump. On the bright side, she may at least be fairly qualified for the job, given the growth of the WWE since 1980.

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Jebediah, RBG  Dec 7, 2016 • 4:02:21pm

re: #240 Nyet

I would def. be interested.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Dec 7, 2016 • 4:05:00pm

re: #240 Nyet

Charles and the Lizards, is there any interest in a further expose of Preston Wiginton based on Russian sources? If there is, I could attempt something during the weekend.

I vote yes. More evidence to point people at is always good, especially for those who can actually be persuaded by fact-based evidence.

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gocart mozart  Dec 7, 2016 • 4:05:08pm
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KGxvi  Dec 7, 2016 • 4:05:57pm

So, apparently, Michele Malkin has made a documentary that argues the OKC cop convicted of 18 (out of 36) counts of sexual assault is actually innocent. Which of course means that millions of wingnuts are now going to believe this guy is some sort of political prisoner and innocent but somehow railroaded by Black Lives Matter, or something…

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Jebediah, RBG  Dec 7, 2016 • 4:07:00pm

re: #248 KGxvi

Isn’t there anything useful she could be doing with her time? Or at least not harmful?

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Charles Johnson  Dec 7, 2016 • 4:08:45pm
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Charles Johnson  Dec 7, 2016 • 4:09:17pm

re: #240 Nyet

Charles and the Lizards, is there any interest in a further expose of Preston Wiginton based on Russian sources? If there is, I could attempt something during the weekend.

Absolutely. Would love to get your perspective on this.

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electrotek  Dec 7, 2016 • 4:10:05pm

re: #165 Backwoods_Sleuth

O_o

Has the backlash been significant enough yet to derail his career this time around? Imagine if BO or HC said this?

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Myron Falwell (no relation)  Dec 7, 2016 • 4:10:26pm

re: #249 Jebediah, RBG

Isn’t there anything useful she could be doing with her time? Or at least not harmful?

Trying on her old Oberlin College Yeoman cheerleading outfit?

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gocart mozart  Dec 7, 2016 • 4:12:09pm
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wrenchwench  Dec 7, 2016 • 4:12:14pm
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Nyet  Dec 7, 2016 • 4:13:28pm

OK, I’ll try to write a post on Friday or Saturday. There is some interesting stuff on him.

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scottslemmons  Dec 7, 2016 • 4:14:00pm

re: #249 Jebediah, RBG

Isn’t there anything useful she could be doing with her time? Or at least not harmful?

Malkin is a bog-standard wingnut — she’s a racist and a sadist. Making a documentary like this lets her cause pain for people who aren’t white, so she’s over-fucking-joyed to do it.

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Myron Falwell (no relation)  Dec 7, 2016 • 4:15:23pm
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KGxvi  Dec 7, 2016 • 4:17:30pm

re: #249 Jebediah, RBG

Isn’t there anything useful she could be doing with her time? Or at least not harmful?

I just tried reading some of her arguments. She argues that the forensic evidence doesn’t support the victim’s claims, and that the detectives went out searching for other potential victims. What I don’t understand is why the cops would so vigorously investigate one of their own? We’ve seen time and time again, that cops and prosecutors tend to take it easy on other cops. And he maintained his innocence throughout (but of course, Red was the only guilty man in Shawshank).

Of course, the real point of her latest endeavor (shockingly enough) is to show that SJW are hypocrites for not even listening to her arguments. I don’t know anything about the case, beyond what I’ve read in the last half hour or so, so I can’t really say whether her arguments actually have merit. But I’ve seen enough of Malkin over the years to be skeptical of anything she says.

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Myron Falwell (no relation)  Dec 7, 2016 • 4:18:38pm

re: #257 scottslemmons

Malkin is a bog-standard wingnut — she’s a racist and a sadist. Making a documentary like this lets her cause pain for people who aren’t white, so she’s over-fucking-joyed to do it.

Standard operating procedure within the GOP rank-and-file. Anyone who isn’t an old, angry male WASP can go f— themselves.

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KGxvi  Dec 7, 2016 • 4:19:55pm

re: #258 Myron Falwell (no relation)

wait, are the seriously offering government appointments in exchange for lining up performances? Gotdam, that’s some serious third world banana republic grade bullshit right there.

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Shiplord Kirel  Dec 7, 2016 • 4:20:07pm

re: #165 Backwoods_Sleuth

FOAD, you fascist secesh lickspittle. The attacks worked because layer upon layer of institutionalized racism led the allies to ignore the danger at almost every level.

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Skip Intro  Dec 7, 2016 • 4:22:20pm

re: #168 Sir John Barron

fake account?

It’s him. So is this.

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Charles Johnson  Dec 7, 2016 • 4:22:44pm

re: #256 Nyet

OK, I’ll try to write a post on Friday or Saturday. There is some interesting stuff on him.

Check out this guy’s timeline - he seems to have some relevant info too: @SkeddyRuxypin

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Dragonomics  Dec 7, 2016 • 4:23:23pm

The best thing about Trump: nuclear winter may temporarily assuage global warming.

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Myron Falwell (no relation)  Dec 7, 2016 • 4:24:32pm

re: #262 Shiplord Kirel

It was widest surprise attack in history

And Newt is a prolonged wide attack that is not a surprise.

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Charles Johnson  Dec 7, 2016 • 4:25:12pm

Forgot I could do this - here’s that timeline:

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plansbandc  Dec 7, 2016 • 4:26:02pm

re: #93 Charles Johnson

Can anyone imagine him giving the medal of freedom out? Can anyone imagine him doing any of the traditional PR and people oriented things a President has always done?

I watched the medal of freedom ceremony a couple of weeks ago. The President eloquently explained why he chose each recipient. I thought of combover giving the medal to people like The Nuge and Chachi. And it made me cry.

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Alyosha  Dec 7, 2016 • 4:27:12pm

re: #263 Skip Intro

So is this. Deep thoughts.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 7, 2016 • 4:27:34pm

re: #268 plansbandc

Can anyone imagine him giving the medal of freedom out? Can anyone imagine him doing any of the traditional PR and people oriented things a President has always done?

I watched the medal of freedom ceremony a couple of weeks ago. The President eloquently explained why he chose each recipient. I thought of combover giving the medal to people like The Nuge and Chachi. And it made me cry.

Trump will charge a huge fee.

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Nyet  Dec 7, 2016 • 4:28:12pm

oh come on

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HappyWarrior  Dec 7, 2016 • 4:30:57pm

re: #263 Skip Intro

It’s him. So is this.

[Embedded content]

Too bad you were never voted out of Washington, Newt. Stop acting like you’re an outsider when you’re not.

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Charles Johnson  Dec 7, 2016 • 4:31:06pm
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Alyosha  Dec 7, 2016 • 4:33:35pm

re: #271 Nyet

oh come on

[Embedded content]

A mixture of sodden dough, flaccid meat and salty sauce, Newt Gingrich is a former Speaker of the House.

See yas later :)

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Skip Intro  Dec 7, 2016 • 4:33:47pm

re: #198 wrenchwench

[Embedded content]

Gotta be white. He was shot with beanbags and not arrested.

Just needs counselling and a big hug.

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Myron Falwell (no relation)  Dec 7, 2016 • 4:34:28pm

re: #271 Nyet

oh come on

Twitter should have ended operations permanently after that back-and-forth.

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Nyet  Dec 7, 2016 • 4:34:59pm

I have long given up on Michael Shermer (and exposed some apparent plagiarism by him). But this is a new low.

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FormerDirtDart  Dec 7, 2016 • 4:36:26pm
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HappyWarrior  Dec 7, 2016 • 4:37:28pm

re: #278 FormerDirtDart

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Bet he’s fine with doing that to those who he dislikes though.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 7, 2016 • 4:37:47pm

re: #277 Nyet

I have long given up on Michael Shermer (and exposed some apparent plagiarism by him). But this is a new low.

[Embedded content]

Yeah sharp and Ben Shapiro don’t belong in the same sentence.

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ObserverArt  Dec 7, 2016 • 4:38:13pm

re: #240 Nyet

Charles and the Lizards, is there any interest in a further expose of Preston Wiginton based on Russian sources? If there is, I could attempt something during the weekend.

Yes.

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gocart mozart  Dec 7, 2016 • 4:38:14pm
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Myron Falwell (no relation)  Dec 7, 2016 • 4:38:24pm

re: #277 Nyet

I have long given up on Michael Shermer (and exposed some apparent plagiarism by him). But this is a new low.

Watching Ben Shapiro LIVE at Yeshiva University. This guy is very sharp. Worth watching.

Baby Whiplash is as sharp as a pile of Play-Doh.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 7, 2016 • 4:38:49pm
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Nyet  Dec 7, 2016 • 4:39:44pm

Shermer has long been a libertarian (though he came around on AGW), and it shows.

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Barefoot Grin  Dec 7, 2016 • 4:40:20pm

re: #242 Charles Johnson

[Embedded content]

Trump is the virgin who brags about all the chicks he’s banged.

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Stanley Sea  Dec 7, 2016 • 4:40:39pm

re: #248 KGxvi

So, apparently, Michele Malkin has made a documentary that argues the OKC cop convicted of 18 (out of 36) counts of sexual assault is actually innocent. Which of course means that millions of wingnuts are now going to believe this guy is some sort of political prisoner and innocent but somehow railroaded by Black Lives Matter, or something…

She is a pig to take this stance.

He raped black women.

Give the wingnuts what they want.

spit.

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TedStriker  Dec 7, 2016 • 4:40:59pm

re: #268 plansbandc

Can anyone imagine him giving the medal of freedom out? Can anyone imagine him doing any of the traditional PR and people oriented things a President has always done?

I watched the medal of freedom ceremony a couple of weeks ago. The President eloquently explained why he chose each recipient. I thought of combover giving the medal to people like The Nuge and Chachi. And it made me cry.

Hah, Uncle Ted and Baio getting the PMoF will be pretty damn tame, considering how bad it may get over the next four years, at least. If you will, think about this very distinct possibility: Richard Spencer, Pam Geller, or someone in that circle receiving the PMoF from President Tribblehair.

Makes me want to sob uncontrollably while projectile vomiting…

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Charles Johnson  Dec 7, 2016 • 4:41:00pm

LOL! The Wesearchr scam is very thorough. They even make people PAY to submit answers to their bounties. I can’t believe even the stupidest right winger would fall for this con, but obviously they do.

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TedStriker  Dec 7, 2016 • 4:42:29pm

re: #277 Nyet

I have long given up on Michael Shermer (and exposed some apparent plagiarism by him). But this is a new low.

Yeah, Ben of the Corn is sharp alright…sharp as a bag of wet mice.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 7, 2016 • 4:42:44pm

re: #284 Backwoods_Sleuth

[Embedded content]

I think Trump just heard the nickname an was impressed. He’s a star fucker when it comes to generals.

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BeachDem  Dec 7, 2016 • 4:44:32pm

re: #241 Charles Johnson

[Embedded content]

So glad he was “soft-spoken,” because I would have thought less of him had he been brash. Gah.

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Nyet  Dec 7, 2016 • 4:44:54pm

re: #290 TedStriker

Then again, Shermer wrote this:

Scribd Document

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ObserverArt  Dec 7, 2016 • 4:46:32pm

re: #269 Alyosha

So is this. Deep thoughts.

Newt Gingrich
@newtgingrich
McDonald’s grilled chicken mcwrap at 250 calories is both a dollar and pound bargain
1:48 PM - 3 May 2013
7,905 7,905 Retweets
8,014

Not when you eat 15 of them Newt.

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Myron Falwell (no relation)  Dec 7, 2016 • 4:46:40pm

re: #289 Charles Johnson

LOL! The Wesearchr scam is very thorough. They even make people PAY to submit answers to their bounties. I can’t believe even the stupidest right winger would fall for this con, but obviously they do.

[Embedded content]

This genius had to pay $1.00?

If irony isn’t dead, it’s in hospice care right about now.

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Charles Johnson  Dec 7, 2016 • 4:46:48pm
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BeachDem  Dec 7, 2016 • 4:47:06pm

re: #240 Nyet

Charles and the Lizards, is there any interest in a further expose of Preston Wiginton based on Russian sources? If there is, I could attempt something during the weekend.

Yes, please. The piece from SPLC just whet my appetite. (Also, if possible, more on his Moscow landlord, David Duke’s Russian connections?)

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GlutenFreeJesus  Dec 7, 2016 • 4:47:08pm

re: #242 Charles Johnson

He was too much of a coward to actually do anything remotely military-ish, so surrounding himself with subservient generals makes him feel like he has.

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Nyet  Dec 7, 2016 • 4:48:02pm

re: #297 BeachDem

I’ll see what I can find.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 7, 2016 • 4:50:03pm

re: #296 Charles Johnson

oh, shit is gonna hit the fan now.

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freetoken  Dec 7, 2016 • 4:50:10pm

Another pick, in case anyone missed it:

Linda McMahon picked to be Small Business administrator

Besides the obvious WWE connection, what many people don’t know is that WWE “donated” millions of dollars to Trump’s “charity”:

sportsgrid.com

In return for these “donations”, Trump over the years has appeared on WWE programming.

It was a minor scandal that didn’t get the attention it deserves. What WWE did allowed them to write off the money as a gift for charity, and why Trump didn’t have to call it income.

Though it was clearly quid-pro-quo for Trump appearing on the for-profit WWE products.

This is pay-for-play government at its most crass.

Yet where is the outrage?

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HappyWarrior  Dec 7, 2016 • 4:51:05pm

re: #296 Charles Johnson

[Embedded content]

He’s a petty dick.

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Pawn of the Oppressor  Dec 7, 2016 • 4:51:22pm

re: #15 Charles Johnson

[Embedded content]

Kansas City baseball runs climate change?

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HappyWarrior  Dec 7, 2016 • 4:52:07pm

re: #301 freetoken

Another pick, in case anyone missed it:

Linda McMahon picked to be Small Business administrator

Besides the obvious WWE connection, what many people don’t know is that WWE “donated” millions of dollars to Trump’s “charity”:

sportsgrid.com

In return for these “donations”, Trump over the years has appeared on WWE programming.

It was a minor scandal that didn’t get the attention it deserves. What WWE did allowed them to write off the money as a gift for charity, why Trump didn’t have to call it income.

Though it was clearly quid-pro-quo for Trump appearing on the for-profit WWE products.

This is pay-for-play government at its most crass.

Yet where is the outrage?

I saw that not because I’m interested in WWE but because my job writes a small business newsletter and I figuerd the readers will be interesting in who Trump is appointing for this position. McMahon, what an awful pick for that post.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 7, 2016 • 4:54:48pm

re: #230 Charles Johnson

[Embedded content]


As someday it may happen that a victim must be found,
I’ve got a little list!
I’ve got a little list!
Of society’s offenders who might well be underground,
and who never would be missed!
They never would be missed!

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freetoken  Dec 7, 2016 • 4:55:36pm

re: #304 HappyWarrior

Well, she kept WWE as a company running for her crazy husband, but these “donations” to the Trump charity shows how she does business.

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Nyet  Dec 7, 2016 • 4:55:50pm

Sex-Predator-In-Chief.

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Myron Falwell (no relation)  Dec 7, 2016 • 4:56:14pm

re: #301 freetoken

Another pick, in case anyone missed it:

Linda McMahon picked to be Small Business administrator

Besides the obvious WWE connection, what many people don’t know is that WWE “donated” millions of dollars to Trump’s “charity”:

sportsgrid.com

In return for these “donations”, Trump over the years has appeared on WWE programming.

It was a minor scandal that didn’t get the attention it deserves. What WWE did allowed them to write off the money as a gift for charity, why Trump didn’t have to call it income.

Though it was clearly quid-pro-quo for Trump appearing on the for-profit WWE products.

This is pay-for-play government at its most crass.

Yet where is the outrage?

IT’S NOT SPORTS! IT’S ENTERTAINMENT!!!1!!1!!!!eleventy!!!

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Stanley Sea  Dec 7, 2016 • 4:56:18pm

re: #301 freetoken

Another pick, in case anyone missed it:

Linda McMahon picked to be Small Business administrator

Besides the obvious WWE connection, what many people don’t know is that WWE “donated” millions of dollars to Trump’s “charity”:

sportsgrid.com

In return for these “donations”, Trump over the years has appeared on WWE programming.

It was a minor scandal that didn’t get the attention it deserves. What WWE did allowed them to write off the money as a gift for charity, and why Trump didn’t have to call it income.

Though it was clearly quid-pro-quo for Trump appearing on the for-profit WWE products.

This is pay-for-play government at its most crass.

Yet where is the outrage?

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Stanley Sea  Dec 7, 2016 • 4:58:14pm

SO, in my quest for non-news TV…..

I’m watching the Leah Remini series on scientology.

VERY UPLIFTING. not.

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wheat-dogg  Dec 7, 2016 • 4:58:31pm

re: #240 Nyet

Charles and the Lizards, is there any interest in a further expose of Preston Wiginton based on Russian sources? If there is, I could attempt something during the weekend.

Go for it

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TedStriker  Dec 7, 2016 • 4:59:50pm

re: #284 Backwoods_Sleuth

re: #291 HappyWarrior

I think Trump just heard the nickname an was impressed. He’s a star fucker when it comes to generals.

Considering that The Donald of the 80s is known to have been the inspiration for this version of Biff Tannen:

I somehow don’t think that he’d like this “Mad Dog”:

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freetoken  Dec 7, 2016 • 5:00:30pm

re: #309 Stanley Sea

McMahon took WWE public and raised a bunch of money (McMahon’s greatest “work”, IMO), but remained a dominant, majority shareholder (him and his family’s trust.) Over the years McMahon made sure that WWE paid dividends (much of which went to him) that some thought were too generous, because WWE was left with diminished cash on hand.

It’s with these millions that he worked his deal with Trump.

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BeachDem  Dec 7, 2016 • 5:05:34pm

re: #313 freetoken

McMahon took WWE public and raised a bunch of money (McMahons greatest “work”, IMO), but remained a dominant, majority shareholder (him and his family’s trust.) Over the years McMahon made sure that WWE paid dividends (much of which went to him) that some thought were too generous, because WWE was left with diminished cash on hand.

It’s with these millions that he worked his deal with Trump.

Let’s not forget that Linda spent $97 million, supposedly of her own money, to lose two Senate bids. Yeah, I’ll take whatever advice she’s doling out.
/

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 7, 2016 • 5:06:21pm
316
klys (maker of Silmarils)  Dec 7, 2016 • 5:07:33pm
317
GlutenFreeJesus  Dec 7, 2016 • 5:08:34pm

re: #315 Backwoods_Sleuth

Stein really cashed in from the rubes.

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gocart mozart  Dec 7, 2016 • 5:11:16pm

re: #314 BeachDem

I live in Connecticut and she carpet bombed the airwaves with TV ads in 2012 and 2014 and all of them were vacuous. Still don’t have any idea what her views are on any major issues. Is she pro choice? Dunno. Climate change denier? Dunno. Foreign policy views? Who knows. Gun control? Dunno. It was all “I’m an outsider, not a career politician” blah blah blah.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 7, 2016 • 5:12:10pm

re: #296 Charles Johnson

[Embedded content]

Steelworkers Local 1999 represent Carrier workers. Chuck Jones is president of that Local, not the entire USW.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 7, 2016 • 5:14:30pm

Trump is going after the Carrier workers now who dared to called him a liar.

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gocart mozart  Dec 7, 2016 • 5:16:13pm
324
Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 7, 2016 • 5:17:39pm

“CNN is completely unwatchable! And there are too many commercials!”

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BeachDem  Dec 7, 2016 • 5:17:57pm

Heh—

Megyn Kelly talking about giving Trump a chance “I have high hopes for him, despite the tweets and all the rest of it,” Kelly said. “There is much to admire about Donald Trump.”

Kathy Griffin boos her.

Megyn tells her to stop.

Griffin yells, “Fuck him.”

Oh, but Megyn had such serious advice about when and if the dark forces rear their ugly heads

Earth to Megyn, they already have.

“We must maintain our dignity as a people and as women.”

Yes, Megyn, because that is certainly the main thing to worry about when Trump is blowing up the world, you insipid, privileged asshole.
huffingtonpost.com

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 7, 2016 • 5:18:01pm

Champion of the Common Man

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Skip Intro  Dec 7, 2016 • 5:18:07pm

re: #320 Backwoods_Sleuth

Trump is going after the Carrier workers now who dared to called him a liar.

Next year he’ll have the IRS do it for him.

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gocart mozart  Dec 7, 2016 • 5:18:31pm
329
Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 7, 2016 • 5:19:29pm

re: #323 gocart mozart

pretty much what I said.

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gocart mozart  Dec 7, 2016 • 5:19:46pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 7, 2016 • 5:21:56pm

re: #330 gocart mozart

[Embedded content]

Noot’s not getting a cabinet position, so he’s sucking up to Japan?

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gocart mozart  Dec 7, 2016 • 5:22:40pm
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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Dec 7, 2016 • 5:23:48pm

re: #319 Backwoods_Sleuth

Steelworkers Local 1999 represent Carrier workers. Chuck Jones is president of that Local, not the entire USW.

So you have to wonder at what point does someone sue for defamation given the use of the bully pulpit because of mere (truthful) criticism?

I know, I know.

At least I’ve made progress on today’s to do list, ignoring the major item of finishing this book draft.

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gocart mozart  Dec 7, 2016 • 5:24:11pm
335
Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 7, 2016 • 5:26:19pm

What kind of country is run by a strongman, who fills his cabinet with billionaires and generals, and whose legislature rubberstamps everything?

336
TedStriker  Dec 7, 2016 • 5:27:47pm

re: #332 gocart mozart

In regards to those who expected the media to do their fucking jobs this election:

You Fucked Up. You Trusted Us.

337
HappyWarrior  Dec 7, 2016 • 5:28:08pm

re: #333 klys (maker of Silmarils)

So you have to wonder at what point does someone sue for defamation given the use of the bully pulpit because of mere (truthful) criticism?

I know, I know.

At least I’ve made progress on today’s to do list, ignoring the major item of finishing this book draft.

It would be nice to see him have to swear that out. I’m tired of him insulting anyone who doesn’t kiss his ring.

338
HappyWarrior  Dec 7, 2016 • 5:28:33pm

re: #335 Blind Frog Belly White

What kind of country is run by a strongman, who fills his cabinet with billionaires and generals, and whose legislature rubberstamps everything?

[Embedded content]

He just isn’t normal. He really isn’t.

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gocart mozart  Dec 7, 2016 • 5:28:38pm

Not surprising. Wonder if our banana republicans will honor it.

340
Stanley Sea  Dec 7, 2016 • 5:28:39pm

re: #325 BeachDem

Heh—

Megyn Kelly talking about giving Trump a chance “I have high hopes for him, despite the tweets and all the rest of it,” Kelly said. “There is much to admire about Donald Trump.”

Kathy Griffin boos her.

Megyn tells her to stop.

Griffin yells, “Fuck him.”

Oh, but Megyn had such serious advice about when and if the dark forces rear their ugly heads

Earth to Megyn, they already have.

“We must maintain our dignity as a people and as women.”

Yes, Megyn, because that is certainly the main thing to worry about when Trump is blowing up the world, you insipid, privileged asshole.
huffingtonpost.com

Megyn has full time armed guards for her & her family due to Trump tweets.

She’s a collaborator in the worst sense.

341
The Vicious Babushka  Dec 7, 2016 • 5:30:28pm
342
Timothy Watson  Dec 7, 2016 • 5:31:50pm

re: #340 Stanley Sea

Megyn has full time armed guards for her & her family due to Trump tweets.

She’s a collaborator in the worst sense.

I hope she’s the first one in a concentration camp, she got fat off of Fox News and being a complete wingnut (‘Pepper spray is basically a food product’ and ‘Santa Claus is white’).

343
TedStriker  Dec 7, 2016 • 5:32:03pm

re: #341 The Vicious Babushka

Brownshirts in the age of Twitter…

344
HappyWarrior  Dec 7, 2016 • 5:34:23pm

re: #341 The Vicious Babushka

[Embedded content]

Lovely guy that Trump. Fuck this bullying prick.

345
Joe Bacon  Dec 7, 2016 • 5:35:58pm

re: #175 Scottishdragon

motherboard.vice.com

.

SvrSOsNgIq/WHoWLgp4o4Z7oEOjSh07I9laVV4SxmKLk+Oz3oEs1pyG/BThpkuxTl/jkQ4Vnhs/kPvBOJTECj2GusrCL0DLyQElbjOAK3D0rDI8As+Wd6uCA3XU7JhX5UwCCGjPN98zgR30DN36Trh2Y+JDZb962A4aBQAFxZR/+mWbbPW+rEADPqHQLwEa06suWQ/uzH4dlG8YT0R+XgToKnqkaUJaweIFhY9u5GxKnHV6TrEikIK/XVLTVlky7DYvMNQrqMHAsZ3lpankSBsT94jVR9IpBDABOHXzGFZ4o0WgsEpEe7qQLpdoQzSnro6DyTDLYwrbLqvs1ogPkiZ++vxMBPAf5s/6J+VfP+xuDhW8ga7GJ+eKmFB8KBBhWjBYpcEYfw6jnZNv985B8bg==

346
Dave In Austin  Dec 7, 2016 • 5:36:30pm

Without comment……

Facebook Post

347
Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 7, 2016 • 5:37:01pm

apparently union workers should be willing to work for minimum wage (if they are lucky) and no benefits if they want to keep their jobs.

Carrier stashing billions of dollars in profits overseas is such a hardship…

348
HappyWarrior  Dec 7, 2016 • 5:37:09pm

re: #346 Dave In Austin

Without comment……

[Embedded content]

Mmmmm disgraced donut.

349
gocart mozart  Dec 7, 2016 • 5:37:59pm
350
Sherlock Hound  Dec 7, 2016 • 5:38:48pm

re: #346 Dave In Austin

ALLAHU SNACKBAR!

351
gocart mozart  Dec 7, 2016 • 5:39:04pm
353
BeachDem  Dec 7, 2016 • 5:40:16pm

re: #332 gocart mozart

[Embedded content]

Great article—thanks.
Most chilling, the way the interview about Flynn was handled on NPR and the way the majors led with “diversity” instead of “totally inexperienced and unsuitable” when talking about Haley and DeVos.

We are so fucked.

354
TedStriker  Dec 7, 2016 • 5:40:24pm

re: #342 Timothy Watson

I hope she’s the first one in a concentration camp, she got fat off of Fox News and being a complete wingnut (‘Pepper spray is basically a food product’ and ‘Santa Claus is white’).

I’m not gonna go that far, but, OTOH, I’m having a real hard time ginning up any sympathy for the media vultures when Trump or his jackals go after them, I really am.

355
HappyWarrior  Dec 7, 2016 • 5:40:29pm

This is just typical Trump. Can’t handle any criticism without attacking that person. It’s going to be a long four years with this thin skinned prick.

356
HappyWarrior  Dec 7, 2016 • 5:41:00pm

re: #354 TedStriker

I’m not gonna go that far, but, OTOH, I’m having a real hard time ginning up any sympathy for the media vultures when Trump or his jackals go after them, I really am.

I feel sorry for her kids but not for her all things considered.

357
gocart mozart  Dec 7, 2016 • 5:42:06pm
358
BeachDem  Dec 7, 2016 • 5:42:59pm

re: #340 Stanley Sea

Megyn has full time armed guards for her & her family due to Trump tweets.

She’s a collaborator in the worst sense.

Yep—but she didn’t reveal any of that crap until her book tour AFTER the election (the article Gocart Mozart linked above has much more about the lovely Megyn.)

359
gocart mozart  Dec 7, 2016 • 5:43:12pm
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Timothy Watson  Dec 7, 2016 • 5:45:17pm

re: #354 TedStriker

I’m not gonna go that far, but, OTOH, I’m having a real hard time ginning up any sympathy for the media vultures when Trump or his jackals go after them, I really am.

She’s the classic Disney monster that thought she could berate the monster that she helped create.

She doesn’t get points from me for going after Trump at the debates, just like most of us, she thought he wasn’t going to win and she thought she get some respectability by attacking him and maybe end up at one of the real news networks.

361
electrotek  Dec 7, 2016 • 5:45:58pm

Great piece in the Wall Street Journal about the need for Asia to stand up for the ruthlessly-persecuted Rohingyas. This part of the piece says it all:

Neglecting their plight, I feared, would entrench the segregation of Rakhine state along ethnic and religious lines, breed conflict, and potentially radicalize a desperate minority. And it would not be Burma’s problem alone; security concerns and an outflow of refugees would implicate the entire region.

I wish I was wrong. Two months ago, a small group of alleged Rohingya militants stormed a Burmese border post in the town of Maungdaw, near Bangladesh. They staged several more attacks in the following days and weeks, killing a number of security personnel and looting weapons. This is the first time in decades that any Rohingya are suspected of taking up arms.

The Burmese military responded in force, killing dozens of suspected militants. In some cases, it burned homes in a security-clearance operation. Human-rights groups and some of the thousands of Rohingya who have fled to Bangladesh in recent weeks have said that the military response is indiscriminate and excessive, with disturbing reports of mass killings and rape.

The security operation also prevented the United Nations and other humanitarian agencies from providing lifesaving aid to tens of thousands of Rohingya. They depend on that aid because, being stateless, they have no regular access to livelihoods.

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calochortus  Dec 7, 2016 • 5:47:02pm

re: #346 Dave In Austin

Without comment……

[Embedded content]

Just a drive by since I have to go make dinner, but if that is, in fact writing with frosting, I’m really, really impressed. It couldn’t be easy, and if a school district can afford to have that sort of artistry going into their donuts, I’m equally impressed with their funding.
(Except for the part where I don’t believe the bit about the school serving them.)

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Joe Bacon  Dec 7, 2016 • 5:49:30pm

re: #346 Dave In Austin

Without comment……

[Embedded content]

I actually got an email from a wacko relative which had that insane meme…

364
calochortus  Dec 7, 2016 • 5:52:27pm

re: #362 calochortus

Also, looks like it could be a parody account, but I lack time to check it out in detail.

365
Stanley Sea  Dec 7, 2016 • 5:55:10pm

Gotta put your name in tho

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Timothy Watson  Dec 7, 2016 • 5:56:05pm
367
Myron Falwell (no relation)  Dec 7, 2016 • 5:56:23pm

re: #341 The Vicious Babushka

Trump is trying to channel Henry Clay Frick.

en.wikipedia.org

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Unshaken Defiance  Dec 7, 2016 • 5:58:18pm

re: #346 Dave In Austin

Without comment……

[Embedded content]

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Pawn of the Oppressor  Dec 7, 2016 • 5:58:33pm

re: #364 calochortus

Also, looks like it could be a parody account, but I lack time to check it out in detail.

I think it’s a parody too. “Muslamic” is pretty mangled even for a Grade A RWNJ Facebook reactionary.

And I thought the same about the frosting. That’s some serious skill with the baking implements to replicate Some Sort of Elvish on a donut!

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BeachDem  Dec 7, 2016 • 5:59:44pm

re: #349 gocart mozart

[Embedded content]

You’re on a roll tonight! The Driftglass article was the perfect counterpoint to the Perlstein piece—even quoting it!

371
Bubblehead II  Dec 7, 2016 • 6:03:11pm

Lizards, time to call it a night.

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Clearly a Country For Sick Old Haters  Dec 7, 2016 • 6:16:25pm

re: #341 The Vicious Babushka

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Don't Blame Me, I Voted for Kodos  Dec 7, 2016 • 6:21:21pm

re: #346 Dave In Austin

Without comment……

[Embedded content]

The one doughnut to rule them all?

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cat-tikvah  Dec 7, 2016 • 9:52:27pm

re: #258 Myron Falwell (no relation)

Ain’t gonna play Sun City!
I hope the only “talent” available is Nugent.


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