Trump Team Prepares to Purge Government Employees Who Believe in Climate Change

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The incoming Trump administration is apparently planning to implement a purge of any Energy Department officials who have worked on issues related to climate change.

According to Bloomberg, the Trump transition team has presented the DOE with a 74-point questionnaire that asks for the names of employees and contractors who worked on the Obama administration’s efforts to address climate change.

Politico has a copy of the questionnaire, which seeks to identify anyone who attended United Nations climate change meetings or helped develop the Obama administration’s metrics on the social cost of carbon dioxide. The document also asks for information on research activities and loan programs.

Two Energy Department employees who spoke on condition of anonymity confirmed the questionnaire and said agency staff were unsettled by the Trump team’s information request.

This is the start of an anti-science purge unlike anything the US has ever seen. This country is in big, big trouble with a Trump administration, and it’s going to affect the entire world.

UPDATE at 12/9/16 12:42:56 pm by Charles Johnson

Here’s the questionnaire, posted online by the New York Times.

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Myron Falwell (no relation)  Dec 9, 2016 • 11:13:21am

We may be underestimating just how much the Republicans want this country to self-destruct from the inside out.

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Kragar  Dec 9, 2016 • 11:16:10am

re: #1 Myron Falwell (no relation)

Its almost like electing to people who fervently pray to be living during the End Times is a bad idea

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Barefoot Grin  Dec 9, 2016 • 11:16:13am

No, no. They just want to make sure that the public is aware of their names so that they can be properly commended for their work. /////////////

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unproven innocence  Dec 9, 2016 • 11:17:48am

I’m still predicting about 1001 civil wars, concurrently. But I’m an optimist.

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CriticalDragon1177  Dec 9, 2016 • 11:18:28am

Trump is not only going to be bad for America, but bad for the planet, and bad for our decedents! Trump is already shaping up to be a horrible president, and he hasn’t even been sworn in yet!

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gocart mozart  Dec 9, 2016 • 11:19:21am
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Kragar  Dec 9, 2016 • 11:19:38am
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Barefoot Grin  Dec 9, 2016 • 11:22:36am

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Wow, there is some seriously disturbing derp in that thread.

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Myron Falwell (no relation)  Dec 9, 2016 • 11:23:07am

re: #4 unproven innocence

I’m still predicting about 1001 civil wars, concurrently. But I’m an optimist.

With New York, California and other states pulling off Brexits of their own.

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Myron Falwell (no relation)  Dec 9, 2016 • 11:24:55am

re: #5 CriticalDragon1177

Trump is not only going to be bad for America, but bad for the planet, and bad for our decedents! Trump is already shaping up to be a horrible president, and he hasn’t even been sworn in yet!

Not just him. The Republican Party as a whole is inherently evil.

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EPR-radar  Dec 9, 2016 • 11:25:55am

This particular bit of evil isn’t specific to Trump. Any incoming Republican administration would conduct a climate change purge in the agencies.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 9, 2016 • 11:26:16am

It’s like Russian Roulette but he is pointing the gun at us instead of himself.

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EPR-radar  Dec 9, 2016 • 11:27:10am

re: #10 Myron Falwell (no relation)

Not just him. The Republican Party as a whole is inherently evil.

Yes. The whole damn Republican party is an ode to the healing powers of ‘and’ in connection with the question ‘Evil or Stupid?’

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Kragar  Dec 9, 2016 • 11:27:23am
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Citizen K  Dec 9, 2016 • 11:28:58am
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Sir John Barron  Dec 9, 2016 • 11:29:57am

re: #14 Kragar

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Trump/Pence acting like they won 49 states and 59% of the vote in 1984.

I hope Democrats remember this when one of ours next wins the presidency.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 9, 2016 • 11:30:39am

re: #15 Citizen K

But threaten to tear a Bible to shreds and watch the death threats roll in!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 9, 2016 • 11:30:44am

how did I manage to miss this about my congresscritter Tom Massie:

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HappyWarrior  Dec 9, 2016 • 11:30:47am

re: #16 Sir John Barron

Trump/Pence acting like they won 49 states and 59% of the vote in 1984.

I hope Democrats remember this when one of ours next wins the presidency.

No kidding. They lose the popular vote and win the EC by three states and they want to act like this is the biggest victory they’ve had in years? Fuck that.

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Mike Lamb  Dec 9, 2016 • 11:32:49am

I’m going to lose my shit when the Republicans run in 2018 on a platform that “government can’t solve probelms” after 2 years of dismantling every agency.

Also, too, I’d donate real money to any senator that asks Pruit what he thinks the “P” in EPA stands for…

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EPR-radar  Dec 9, 2016 • 11:33:36am

re: #20 Mike Lamb

I’m going to lose my shit when the Republicans run in 2018 on a platform that “government can’t solve probelms” after 2 years of dismantling every agency.

Also, too, I’d donate real money to any senator that asks Pruit what he thinks the “P” in EPA stands for…

Pillaging.

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Myron Falwell (no relation)  Dec 9, 2016 • 11:33:42am

re: #12 Eclectic Cyborg

It’s like Russian Roulette but he is pointing the gun at us instead of himself.

Assuming that secessions, civil war or violent disturbances take place as a result, he and the GOP rank-and-file are under the belief that they can quash such insurrections and rule by fiat.

A serious question: would countries like China or Mexico support a government ruled by Trump in the event of internal war or secession? Or would they recognize a splinter state like California as sovereign?

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HappyWarrior  Dec 9, 2016 • 11:34:21am

re: #21 EPR-radar

Pillage.

Plunder.

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Kragar  Dec 9, 2016 • 11:34:52am

re: #16 Sir John Barron

“We won more counties.”

Because winning Shithole county, Montana population 300 by 3 votes, beats losing CA by 3 million.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 9, 2016 • 11:35:09am

re: #20 Mike Lamb

I’m going to lose my shit when the Republicans run in 2018 on a platform that “government can’t solve probelms” after 2 years of dismantling every agency.

Also, too, I’d donate real money to any senator that asks Pruit what he thinks the “P” in EPA stands for…

Yeah it’s pretty pathetic to hear “Government doesn’t work” from people who when they get into government do everything to weaken the government’s ability to work.

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Timothy Watson  Dec 9, 2016 • 11:35:41am

re: #18 Backwoods_Sleuth

how did I manage to miss this about my congresscritter Tom Massie:

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I fully support the criminalization of the Jheri curl.

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Myron Falwell (no relation)  Dec 9, 2016 • 11:36:10am

re: #20 Mike Lamb

I’m going to lose my shit when the Republicans run in 2018 on a platform that “government can’t solve probelms” after 2 years of dismantling every agency.

They’ll do so after the Democrats filibuster every single cabinet pick, causing them to not name replacements and let the agencies go without any leadership whatsoever.

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BeachDem  Dec 9, 2016 • 11:36:15am

re: #18 Backwoods_Sleuth

how did I manage to miss this about my congresscritter Tom Massie:

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Well, he has been referred to as a “conservative firebrand” so…

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HappyWarrior  Dec 9, 2016 • 11:36:16am

re: #25 Kragar

“We won more counties.”

Because winning Shithole county, Montana population 300 by 3 votes, beats losing CA by 3 million.

Not only that but CA is much more representative of the nation as a whole. It’s the same thing with the Congressional districts too. For all their talk of “Real America”, Republican voters live in a country that doesn’t resemble America of 2016.

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Citizen K  Dec 9, 2016 • 11:37:18am

re: #25 Kragar

“We won more counties.”

Because winning Shithole county, Montana population 300 by 3 votes, beats losing CA by 3 million.

Land and Property > People, once again.

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EPR-radar  Dec 9, 2016 • 11:37:21am

re: #22 Myron Falwell (no relation)

Assuming that secessions, civil war or violent disturbances take place as a result, he and the GOP rank-and-file are under the belief that they can quash such insurrections and rule by fiat.

A serious question: would countries like China or Mexico support a government ruled by Trump in the event of internal war or secession? Or would they recognize a splinter state like California as sovereign?

Why ask if foreign countries would diplomatically recognize breakaway parts of the US as sovereign? Such questions are settled by military force, not diplomacy, and no other nation on earth can meaningfully project power in the continental US.

This is one of many reasons secession talk is farcical.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 9, 2016 • 11:37:38am

re: #19 HappyWarrior

No kidding. They lose the popular vote and win the EC by three states and they want to act like this is the biggest victory they’ve had in years? Fuck that.

well, it is

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gocart mozart  Dec 9, 2016 • 11:38:01am
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EPR-radar  Dec 9, 2016 • 11:38:20am

re: #28 Myron Falwell (no relation)

They’ll do so after the Democrats filibuster every single cabinet pick, causing them to not name replacements and let the agencies go without any leadership whatsoever.

No leadership in the agencies is the best case scenario.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 9, 2016 • 11:39:09am

re: #34 gocart mozart

What would happen if the United States was run by a consortium of bankers and generals with a President who lacks the attention span to sit through an entire security breifing? What if some of them might be nuts? Let’s watch!

added that for effect

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calochortus  Dec 9, 2016 • 11:39:25am

re: #35 EPR-radar

No leadership in the agencies is the best case scenario.

I actually heard someone make that case for Carson and HUD yesterday-as in it could have been worse if Trump had picked someone competent.

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Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Dec 9, 2016 • 11:39:43am

re: #32 EPR-radar

Why ask if foreign countries would diplomatically recognize breakaway parts of the US as sovereign? Such questions are settled by military force, not diplomacy, and no other nation on earth can meaningfully project power in the continental US.

This is one of many reasons secession talk is farcical.

Yup. Was discussing this with a co-worker under a what if scenario and he made the same point. Secession necessitates a military to then defend the new borders.

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BeachDem  Dec 9, 2016 • 11:39:45am

re: #25 Kragar

“We won more counties.”

Because winning Shithole county, Montana population 300 by 3 votes, beats losing CA by 3 million.

Only 53% of Trump voters think that California’s votes should be allowed to count in the national popular vote. 29% don’t think they should be allowed to count, and another 18% are unsure.
publicpolicypolling.com

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Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Dec 9, 2016 • 11:40:33am

re: #39 BeachDem

Only 53% of Trump voters think that California’s votes should be allowed to count in the national popular vote. 29% don’t think they should be allowed to count, and another 18% are unsure.
publicpolicypolling.com

this is where part of me says “fuck em, let’s see how they deal without our tax dollars and all the food produced here”

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HappyWarrior  Dec 9, 2016 • 11:41:46am

re: #40 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

this is where part of me says “fuck em, let’s see how they deal without our tax dollars and all the food produced here”

I wish there was a way to do that somehow. I really do. They don’t feel CA’s vote should mean anything? Fine then they don’t get to enjoy any of the benefits that CA provides the nation as a whole.

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Kragar  Dec 9, 2016 • 11:42:12am

re: #39 BeachDem

If the other states don’t want us, maybe CA should just take its business elsewhere.
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EPR-radar  Dec 9, 2016 • 11:43:14am

re: #40 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

this is where part of me says “fuck em, let’s see how they deal without our tax dollars and all the food produced here”

The temptation is certainly real. All those GOP voting counties in 2016 account for about 1/3 of the GDP, and almost certainly are getting more in federal spending than they pay in federal taxes.

‘Makers and Takers’ 2016 edition.

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Charles Johnson  Dec 9, 2016 • 11:43:16am
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geosherman  Dec 9, 2016 • 11:43:33am

The State of Georgia says it’s traced an attempted voter hack to the Department of Homeland Security. An IP address from the agency was the source of an attempted breach of the state’s voter registration database, according to Georgia’s secretary of state. Seems to be some conflict between Georgia SoS and DHS. This intrusion is said to have taken place on November 5 - after the election. Fuel for wingnuts to fight back all the allegations of election tampering?
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gocart mozart  Dec 9, 2016 • 11:43:42am
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jaunte  Dec 9, 2016 • 11:45:45am
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President of the Assistant Night Managers

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BeachDem  Dec 9, 2016 • 11:45:49am

re: #43 EPR-radar

The temptation is certainly real. All those GOP voting counties in 2016 account for about 1/3 of the GDP, and almost certainly are getting more in federal spending than they pay in federal taxes.

‘Makers and Takers’ 2016 edition.

As someone currently living in a major taker state but whose heart and history is with the makers, PLEASE take me with you!!

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William Lewis  Dec 9, 2016 • 11:46:59am

re: #32 EPR-radar

Canada and Mexico would both make good staging points for an Allied Forces D-day against the new Nazis. I wonder, lately, how Canadian and German Leopard II tanks will do against M1s…

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Belafon  Dec 9, 2016 • 11:47:16am

Here’s more detail from Josh Marshall’s about Republican Social Security Changes:

We’ll have a story coming shortly on what I just mentioned a short time ago: that Republicans are now planning to pass major cuts to Social Security this year.

Until then let me cover the broad details of the plan.

Unlike the Bush-era plan to partially phase out Social Security and replace it with private investment accounts, this plan takes a different approach. Through a variety of mechanisms, this plan simply cuts benefits and introduces means testing. To look at specific cuts, changes in eligibility and so forth look at pages 2 and 3 on this official Social Security Administration scoring document analyzing the plan. The benefit cuts appear to hit everyone but are weighted toward more affluent recipients.

The big picture is that the current Social Security Trust Fund is predicted to be exhausted in the mid-late 2030s. So roughly in 20 years. People often refer to this as ‘bankruptcy’. But that’s not really accurate. At that point Social Security would only be able to pay 79% of benefits recipients will be entitled to in those years.

By 2090, that percentage falls to 74%. So it’s fairly stable after that drop-off in the 2030s.

Now there are a number of ways to cover that shortfall - the most obvious is to remove or alter the so-called ‘cap’ on Social Security taxes. Once you get over $118,500 of income per year you stop paying Social Security taxes. So your Social Security tax rate is much higher if you make $50,000 a year than if you make $500,000 a year. Change that and most of the problem disappears.

The plan with this new GOP bill is to proactively solve this problem entirely with cuts and really big cuts. Out over 75 years, the GOP proposal has the Trust Fund growing substantially out into the infinite horizon. In other words, a lot of the cuts are more than are necessary to pay for all benefits.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 9, 2016 • 11:48:12am

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 9, 2016 • 11:48:29am
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HappyWarrior  Dec 9, 2016 • 11:49:26am

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Charles Johnson  Dec 9, 2016 • 11:50:08am
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BeachDem  Dec 9, 2016 • 11:50:34am

re: #50 Belafon

Here’s more detail from Josh Marshall’s about Republican Social Security Changes:

the GOP proposal has the Trust Fund growing substantially out into the infinite horizon. In other words, a lot of the cuts are more than are necessary to pay for all benefits.

Thus there will be more money in the pot for them to steal when they move to privatization.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 9, 2016 • 11:50:44am

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Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Dec 9, 2016 • 11:51:02am

re: #49 William Lewis

Canada and Mexico would both make good staging points for an Allied Forces D-day against the new Nazis. I wonder, lately, how Canadian and German Leopard II tanks will do against M1s…

At night, Leo’s have the advantage in infrared, M1’s show up all shiny given their engines. Both mount the Same gun (120 cal) and both are very maneuverable. I think the Abrams has better armor.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 9, 2016 • 11:51:59am

I think somebody has kidnapped Joe and replaced him with an imposter:

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Charles Johnson  Dec 9, 2016 • 11:52:19am
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Stanley Sea  Dec 9, 2016 • 11:53:00am

Read this timeline from the trial

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HappyWarrior  Dec 9, 2016 • 11:53:08am

re: #58 Backwoods_Sleuth

I think somebody has kidnapped Joe and replaced him with an imposter:

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He was also pissed off at how Comey handled things. I don’t like the Deadbeat Dad at all but not surprised to see this. He’s an ass for sure but I can see why this would bother even him.

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No Depression  Dec 9, 2016 • 11:53:50am

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HappyWarrior  Dec 9, 2016 • 11:54:59am

re: #62 No Depression

Rex Tiller has a Russia connection: As CEO of Exxon Mobil, he signed a $300 million agreement with Russia to drill in the Arctic. Hmmm.

Very interesting. That name really came out of left field. To be honest, a lot of names have so far.

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Myron Falwell (no relation)  Dec 9, 2016 • 11:56:18am

re: #32 EPR-radar

Why ask if foreign countries would diplomatically recognize breakaway parts of the US as sovereign? Such questions are settled by military force, not diplomacy, and no other nation on earth can meaningfully project power in the continental US.

This is one of many reasons secession talk is farcical.

What if those countries actually provide military assistance? That was the predominant reason behind the Emancipation Proclamation - to prevent European countries like France from recognizing the Confederacy, and thus providing trade and military support.

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No Depression  Dec 9, 2016 • 11:56:59am

re: #62 No Depression

Rex Tiller has a Russia connection: As CEO of Exxon Mobil, he signed a $300 million agreement with Russia to drill in the Arctic. Hmmm.

Got the number wrong. It’s actually $300 billion.

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BlueGrl21  Dec 9, 2016 • 11:57:47am

I fully intend to spend the next few months/years doing absolutely nothing Trump “tells me” to do. Acts big and small of civil disobedience…and the small ones get to him the most. I have chosen, for my own sanity, not to do a damn thing he or his toadies want. And to make my Congress Critters very familiar with my name.

I am curious as to how many of these people get past the Senate. Dems are going to drag them through the coals and make the Republicans own every single one of these people.

I can’t wait for the midterms.

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BeachDem  Dec 9, 2016 • 11:58:48am

OK—we need a good laugh (or a good cringe—yeah, it is cringe-worthy)

The Right to Lifer whackadoodle, Janet Porter has gone HOLLYWOOD—yep, she’s pushing an anti-abortion “rom-com” (and features quite the all-star cast!)

Yesterday, Porter released a trailer for the new movie, called “What’s a Girl to Do?,” confirming that it will feature cameos from former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee and Rep. Steve King of Iowa, and will include performances by Victoria Jackson as Porter’s best friend and Stephen Baldwin as her future husband, David Porter.

rightwingwatch.org

Will it surpass the Rotten Tomatoes score of zero that fellow traveler Kirk Cameron’s “Saving Christmas” amassed? Only time will tell.

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Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Dec 9, 2016 • 11:58:57am

re: #66 BlueGrl21

and any elections in between. We need to get dem’s elected down to being dog catcher.

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Citizen K  Dec 9, 2016 • 11:59:18am

There’s gotta be a specific term for what Trump is doing other than Oligarchy. A government literally for and by the richest of the rich, the “cream” of the business class.

I had thought of Mercantocracy, but looking it up, that seems to have some unfortunate loaded connotations in the past. Any ideas?

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William Lewis  Dec 9, 2016 • 12:00:37pm

re: #70 Citizen K

Kleptocracy. Government by Thieves.

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Jayleia  Dec 9, 2016 • 12:01:02pm

re: #70 Citizen K

kakocracy

Rule by the worst people.

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Myron Falwell (no relation)  Dec 9, 2016 • 12:01:16pm

re: #70 Citizen K

Trumpocracy

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Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Dec 9, 2016 • 12:01:39pm

re: #70 Citizen K

Trumparchy

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No Depression  Dec 9, 2016 • 12:01:44pm

re: #70 Citizen K

There’s gotta be a specific term for what Trump is doing other than Oligarchy. A government literally for and by the richest of the rich, the “cream” of the business class.

I had thought of Mercantocracy, but looking it up, that seems to have some unfortunate loaded connotations in the past. Any ideas?

Plutocracy, which literally translates to “rule by the wealthy”.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 9, 2016 • 12:02:03pm

re: #67 BeachDem

OK—we need a good laugh (or a good cringe—yeah, it is cringe-worthy)

The Right to Lifer whackadoodle, Janet Porter has gone HOLLYWOOD—yep, she’s pushing an anti-abortion “rom-com” (and features quite the all-star cast!)

Yesterday, Porter released a trailer for the new movie, called “What’s a Girl to Do?,” confirming that it will feature cameos from former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee and Rep. Steve King of Iowa, and will include performances by Victoria Jackson as Porter’s best friend and Stephen Baldwin as her future husband, David Porter.

rightwingwatch.org

Will it surpass the Rotten Tomatoes score of zero that fellow traveler Kirk Cameron’s “Saving Christmas” amassed? Only time will tell.

Hahahah that sounds so bad. But hey if she wants to throw her money away making stupid movies like that.

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goddamnedfrank  Dec 9, 2016 • 12:03:22pm

re: #70 Citizen K

There’s gotta be a specific term for what Trump is doing other than Oligarchy. A government literally for and by the richest of the rich, the “cream” of the business class.

I had thought of Mercantocracy, but looking it up, that seems to have some unfortunate loaded connotations in the past. Any ideas?

Kakistocracy, government of and by the absolute worst motherfuckers in a society.

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gocart mozart  Dec 9, 2016 • 12:04:12pm
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Citizen K  Dec 9, 2016 • 12:04:18pm

re: #75 No Depression

Plutocracy, which literally translates to “rule by the wealthy”.

Fair enough. Some reason thought the word had a different specific definition.

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unproven innocence  Dec 9, 2016 • 12:04:21pm

re: #62 No Depression

Rex Tiller has a Russia connection: As CEO of Exxon Mobil, he signed a $300 million agreement with Russia to drill in the Arctic. Hmmm.

re: #65 No Depression

Got the number wrong. It’s actually $300 billion.

Report: Trump considering Exxon CEO for Secretary of State
Dec 5, 2016, 1:05pm CST
Evan Hoopfer Excerpt:
Tillerson is known for having a relationship with Russia’s Vladimir Putin. Even on Tillerson’s biography on the Exxon website, it notes that in 2013 Tillerson was awarded the Order of Friendship by Putin.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 9, 2016 • 12:04:49pm
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Belafon  Dec 9, 2016 • 12:05:29pm

re: #80 unproven innocence

Report: Trump considering Exxon CEO for Secretary of State
Dec 5, 2016, 1:05pm CST
Evan Hoopfer Excerpt:
Tillerson is known for having a relationship with Russia’s Vladimir Putin. Even on Tillerson’s biography on the Exxon website, it notes that in 2013 Tillerson was awarded the Order of Friendship by Putin.

Which, constitutionally, ought to keep him from office.

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calochortus  Dec 9, 2016 • 12:05:42pm

re: #81 Backwoods_Sleuth

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BeachDem  Dec 9, 2016 • 12:06:27pm

re: #76 HappyWarrior

Hahahah that sounds so bad. But hey if she wants to throw her money away making stupid movies like that.

Wish that was all she was doing—she’s also trying to get a federal “heartbeat” 6-week abortion bill—with the lovely Steve King’s help.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 9, 2016 • 12:06:58pm

re: #85 BeachDem

Wish that was all she was doing—she’s also trying to get a federal “heartbeat” 6-week abortion bill—with the lovely Steve King’s help.

OFFS.

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Barefoot Grin  Dec 9, 2016 • 12:10:27pm

re: #88 Backwoods_Sleuth

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 9, 2016 • 12:11:20pm

re: #70 Citizen K

There’s gotta be a specific term for what Trump is doing other than Oligarchy. A government literally for and by the richest of the rich, the “cream” of the business class.

I had thought of Mercantocracy, but looking it up, that seems to have some unfortunate loaded connotations in the past. Any ideas?

Plutocracy

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calochortus  Dec 9, 2016 • 12:11:29pm

What is on my to-do list is making chocolate truffles. Time to break out the heavy cream and bittersweet chocolate. Sadly Fortunately I won’t be eating them all myself. I’ll be taking them to a Christmas party tomorrow.

BBL (if I don’t lick enough chocolate off my fingers to result in a chocolate coma.)

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Tyrion  Dec 9, 2016 • 12:13:02pm

re: #70 Citizen K

There’s gotta be a specific term for what Trump is doing other than Oligarchy. A government literally for and by the richest of the rich, the “cream” of the business class.

Asshatery

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darthstar  Dec 9, 2016 • 12:13:56pm

re: #90 goddamnedfrank

What a low-life piece of shit. Taking random shots at brown people for entertainment.

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gocart mozart  Dec 9, 2016 • 12:16:16pm
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Belafon  Dec 9, 2016 • 12:18:20pm

re: #91 gocart mozart

Could that mean something, please.

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Charles Johnson  Dec 9, 2016 • 12:19:09pm
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goddamnedfrank  Dec 9, 2016 • 12:19:49pm

re: #95 darthstar

What a low-life piece of shit. Taking random shots at brown people for entertainment.

I don’t mind the homicidal ideation against ISIS so much as his reckless need to seek applause for acting on it. He’s endangering journalists far more dedicated to the profession than he is.

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darthstar  Dec 9, 2016 • 12:21:25pm

re: #99 goddamnedfrank

I don’t mind the homicidal ideation against ISIS so much as his reckless need to seek applause for acting on it. He’s endangering journalists far more dedicated to the profession than he is.

He’s shooting people for sport.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 9, 2016 • 12:21:56pm

hmmm…sounds like Trump might be just a bit worried about the EC:

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gocart mozart  Dec 9, 2016 • 12:22:31pm
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HappyWarrior  Dec 9, 2016 • 12:22:35pm

re: #101 Backwoods_Sleuth

hmmm…sounds like Trump might be just a bit worried about the EC:

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Cry much Donnie?

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darthstar  Dec 9, 2016 • 12:22:55pm

re: #99 goddamnedfrank

I don’t mind the homicidal ideation against ISIS so much as his reckless need to seek applause for acting on it. He’s endangering journalists far more dedicated to the profession than he is.

Also, he’s shooting at people who are obviously not a threat as the other guys aren’t exactly in safety mode. He could be shooting at women for all we know.

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 9, 2016 • 12:27:52pm

re: #101 Backwoods_Sleuth

hmmm…sounds like Trump might be just a bit worried about the EC:

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Well why are his lawyers stopping the recount, if he’s so positive there were shenanigans?

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Kragar  Dec 9, 2016 • 12:28:55pm
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O_o

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Franklin  Dec 9, 2016 • 12:32:50pm

re: #100 darthstar

He’s shooting people for sport.

Couldn’t he be prosecuted for war crimes? Joe 6-pack can’t just buy a round trip ticket to Iraq and start shooting people right?

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Charles Johnson  Dec 9, 2016 • 12:32:56pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 9, 2016 • 12:34:41pm

guessing he ran out of words for stupid:

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HappyWarrior  Dec 9, 2016 • 12:35:15pm

re: #110 Backwoods_Sleuth

guessing he ran out of words for stupid:

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Barefoot Grin  Dec 9, 2016 • 12:35:33pm

re: #106 Kragar

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ATF?

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EPR-radar  Dec 9, 2016 • 12:37:03pm

re: #110 Backwoods_Sleuth

guessing he ran out of words for stupid:

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I often have that problem in relation to that felcher of wet farts from dead pigeons, Trump.

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Belafon  Dec 9, 2016 • 12:37:15pm

re: #112 Barefoot Grin

ATF?

Alcohol Tobacco and Firearms.

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Jayleia  Dec 9, 2016 • 12:39:37pm

re: #114 Belafon

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I beat y’all on Twitter by two minutes! WOOHOO!

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darthstar  Dec 9, 2016 • 12:40:28pm

re: #109 Charles Johnson

Oh, don’t give that thieving fucker credit for Trump.

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Barefoot Grin  Dec 9, 2016 • 12:42:07pm

re: #114 Belafon

Alcohol Tobacco and Firearms.

That was my understanding. I was suggesting this as a possible position for the liquor commissioner who got busted for DUI.

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Citizen K  Dec 9, 2016 • 12:42:52pm

Don’t look now, but Trump is back on his hobby horse for punishing flag burning:

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Timothy Watson  Dec 9, 2016 • 12:42:53pm

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MsJ  Dec 9, 2016 • 12:42:59pm

re: #70 Citizen K

There’s gotta be a specific term for what Trump is doing other than Oligarchy. A government literally for and by the richest of the rich, the “cream” of the business class.

I had thought of Mercantocracy, but looking it up, that seems to have some unfortunate loaded connotations in the past. Any ideas?

Corporatocracy.

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Belafon  Dec 9, 2016 • 12:43:02pm

re: #117 Barefoot Grin

That was my understanding. I was suggesting this as a possible position for the liquor commissioner who got busted for DUI.

OK. I thought you were asking what it stood for.

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Charles Johnson  Dec 9, 2016 • 12:43:43pm

Here’s the Trump Climate Change Purge Questionnaire.

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Charles Johnson  Dec 9, 2016 • 12:44:27pm

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HappyWarrior  Dec 9, 2016 • 12:46:10pm

re: #118 Citizen K

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Unshaken Defiance  Dec 9, 2016 • 12:49:23pm

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Charles Johnson  Dec 9, 2016 • 12:50:17pm

Here’s that document again, rotated so it’s readable.

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Unshaken Defiance  Dec 9, 2016 • 12:50:34pm

re: #118 Citizen K

Don’t look now, but Trump is back on his hobby horse for punishing flag burning:

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Yeah well I plan to test his will on that “say anything you want” every damn day. ‘Cause I’m trash talking that tyrant at each opportunity.

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Franklin  Dec 9, 2016 • 12:51:21pm

Twinsies!!

Frank Shirley - Gifter of Jelly-of-the-Month Club
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Unshaken Defiance  Dec 9, 2016 • 12:51:43pm

re: #71 William Lewis

Kleptocracy. Government by Thieves.

That’s the one.

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MsJ  Dec 9, 2016 • 12:51:45pm

re: #123 Charles Johnson

How do we export more nuclear material. I stopped reading there.

Holy shit.

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Stanley Sea  Dec 9, 2016 • 12:51:59pm
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HappyWarrior  Dec 9, 2016 • 12:53:14pm

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But his people says there’s no need for a recount because there was no fraud…

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Citizen K  Dec 9, 2016 • 12:53:36pm

re: #133 Stanley Sea

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Shit like this should be commended. Instead, they’re told their vote literally counts less because ‘TRUMP WON MORE COUNTIES!’

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Belafon  Dec 9, 2016 • 12:54:44pm

re: #135 Backwoods_Sleuth

But his people says there’s need for a recount because there was no fraud…

Here in a very red part of Texas, the white voters were seriously enjoying voting early.

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 9, 2016 • 12:55:32pm

re: #124 Backwoods_Sleuth

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EPR-radar  Dec 9, 2016 • 12:56:08pm

re: #122 Charles Johnson

Here’s the Trump Climate Change Purge Questionnaire.

nytimes.com

There needs to be resistance to this. Minimally, all of the questionnaires should be returned blank.

Preferably they would all be completely filled out with entertaining suggestions as to how Trump and his goon squad can fuck themselves.

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Kragar  Dec 9, 2016 • 12:57:02pm
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Stanley Sea  Dec 9, 2016 • 12:58:46pm
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Myron Falwell (no relation)  Dec 9, 2016 • 1:02:04pm

re: #90 goddamnedfrank

Please keep this tweet in file when Glenn Beck gripes about how evil Trump and Bannon are. He’s employing this nutjob AND Tomi Lahren.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 9, 2016 • 1:02:29pm

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Citizen K  Dec 9, 2016 • 1:02:42pm

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Romantic Heretic  Dec 9, 2016 • 1:03:26pm

re: #34 gocart mozart

What would happen if the United States was run by a consortium of bankers and generals? What if some of them might be nuts? But I repeat myself.

I believe that this is closer to the truth. ;)

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wrenchwench  Dec 9, 2016 • 1:07:08pm

Lizard being eaten by a snake.

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Arkansawyer  Dec 9, 2016 • 1:09:12pm

re: #146 Backwoods_Sleuth

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The Sound and the Fury was easier to follow than him speaking.

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MsJ  Dec 9, 2016 • 1:11:13pm

re: #151 Arkansawyer

The Sound and the Fury was easier to follow than him speaking.

The genealogy in the Bible is easier to follow.

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mmmirele  Dec 9, 2016 • 1:13:38pm

re: #81 Backwoods_Sleuth

Oh that pastor can kiss my fat white female fundament. Fuck that shit.

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unproven innocence  Dec 9, 2016 • 1:14:24pm

re: #144 Charles Johnson

Several states have very expensive delivery systems, but most of them are untested. /

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Arkansawyer  Dec 9, 2016 • 1:16:22pm

re: #152 MsJ

The genealogy in the Bible is easier to follow.

Probably more grounded in reality too.

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Romantic Heretic  Dec 9, 2016 • 1:18:51pm

re: #38 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

I was considering that when brainstorming my novel set after the Second America Civil War.

First I assumed that the Armed Forces would split along the same lines as the country. That is The True States of America (Red States) and The First States of America (Blue States). Additional volunteers came in from all over the world to form International Brigades ala the Spanish Civil War. Most went to the First States.

Then it became a case of the elephant vs the whale.

The First States are highly urbanized. So every offence by the True States became a series of Stalingrads.

The True States are highly rural. So every offence by the First States became like Operation Barbarossa. Every attack had to travel huge distances causing massive supply problems while partisans caused havoc in the rear.

In addition weapons manufacture is scattered all over the States. So neither side could properly maintain their weapons. Canada and Mexico made out like bandits. They’d buy parts from one side cheap and sell them dear to the other side. At least until the gold and oil ran out since the currencies of both sides were pretty worthless.

After about fives years both sides collapsed and in 2030 the US is gone.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Dec 9, 2016 • 1:21:12pm

This purge is eerily reminiscent of what Erdogan has been doing in Turkey. It wouldn’t surprise me to see mass arrests throughout Trump’s first year. I doubt even he would go that far, BUT…

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Translation: Rudy figured out that it will be much better for him financially. (plus none of the pesky background questions that come up with confirmation hearings.)

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wrenchwench  Dec 9, 2016 • 1:22:57pm

I just fixed a bike for a guy who said he spent 15 years in darkness. Satan was trying to get his soul. But Jesus came and bought it back. Or something. I got $20 and a blessing. He got a bike that will stop better than it will go. (Safety first!)

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Myron Falwell (no relation)  Dec 9, 2016 • 1:23:10pm

re: #101 Backwoods_Sleuth

hmmm…sounds like Trump might be just a bit worried about the EC:

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Romantic Heretic  Dec 9, 2016 • 1:23:25pm

re: #49 William Lewis

Canada only has Leopard Is I’m afraid. Ours is meant to be a ‘peacekeeping force’ rather than a ‘war fighting force’.

Such an attack would be from Central America anyway since if it gets that bad I’m Canada and Mexico will be conquered by then.

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wrenchwench  Dec 9, 2016 • 1:24:01pm

re: #160 GlutenFreeJesus

This purge is eerily reminiscent of what Erdogan has been doing in Turkey. It wouldn’t surprise me to see mass arrests throughout Trump’s first year. I doubt even he would go that far, BUT…

I’ve thought of Erdogan more than once. He has hundreds of journalists in jail.

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BeachDem  Dec 9, 2016 • 1:26:04pm

re: #146 Backwoods_Sleuth

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lawhawk  Dec 9, 2016 • 1:26:22pm

re: #161 Backwoods_Sleuth

Bernie Kerik couldn’t be reached for comment.

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Myron Falwell (no relation)  Dec 9, 2016 • 1:26:58pm

re: #164 Romantic Heretic

Canada only has Leopard Is I’m afraid. Ours is meant to be a ‘peacekeeping force’ rather than a ‘war fighting force’.

Such an attack would be from Central America anyway since if it gets that bad I’m Canada and Mexico will be conquered by then.

Lest we forget that China would want payback for Trump 1) being a Russian puppet, 2) threatening to pull out of TPP and wanting to impose massive tariffs, and 3) cozying to Taiwan for a resort deal.

Payback’s a bitch.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 9, 2016 • 1:28:09pm

re: #165 wrenchwench

I’ve thought of Erdogan more than once. He has hundreds of journalists in jail.

and university professors

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BeachDem  Dec 9, 2016 • 1:28:44pm

re: #151 Arkansawyer

The Sound and the Fury was easier to follow than him speaking.

But this is a tale told by an idiot, signifying nothing.

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mmmirele  Dec 9, 2016 • 1:32:48pm

re: #142 Backwoods_Sleuth

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I live in Arizona, but my local Safeway has a Whooping Cough sign in the front window (they offer vaccinations). You know, we didn’t have those signs when I was younger, because, fuck it, people got their kids vaccinated. It only was a problem when there was a measles outbreak at the university where I was going to law school, and I had to get a booster to go back for the next semester. And that was thirty years ago!

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lawhawk  Dec 9, 2016 • 1:33:30pm

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Myron Falwell (no relation)  Dec 9, 2016 • 1:33:48pm

re: #160 GlutenFreeJesus

This purge is eerily reminiscent of what Erdogan has been doing in Turkey. It wouldn’t surprise me to see mass arrests throughout Trump’s first year. I doubt even he would go that far, BUT…

With just a pinch of Durante for good measure.

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Stanley Sea  Dec 9, 2016 • 1:34:23pm

Infowars

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scottslemmons  Dec 9, 2016 • 1:36:11pm

re: #165 wrenchwench

I’ve thought of Erdogan more than once. He has hundreds of journalists in jail.

The NYTimes think they can stay out of the camps if they kiss Trump’s ass. Won’t work — Trump hates them, and their fellow prisoners will hate them just as much.

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Myron Falwell (no relation)  Dec 9, 2016 • 1:37:46pm

re: #161 Backwoods_Sleuth

I’ll bet that Rudy is looking to save face if everyone tied to the Trump campaign is implicated in espionage with Russia.

Someone like him just doesn’t pass up on a golden opportunity to be in the Trump Regime.

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Belafon  Dec 9, 2016 • 1:37:59pm

re: #169 Myron Falwell (no relation)

Lest we forget that China would want payback for Trump 1) being a Russian puppet, 2) threatening to pull out of TPP and wanting to impose massive tariffs, and 3) cozying to Taiwan for a resort deal.

Payback’s a bitch.

I don’t think China cares too much about the TPP since it’s goals was to consolidate US partnerships with other Asian countries as an action against growing Chinese influence.

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wrenchwench  Dec 9, 2016 • 1:38:31pm

re: #174 Myron Falwell (no relation)

With just a pinch of Durante for good measure.

Durante scared me when I was a kid. Duterte scares me now.

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Shiplord Kirel  Dec 9, 2016 • 1:43:51pm

re: #180 Myron Falwell (no relation)

I’ll bet that Rudy is looking to save face if everyone tied to the Trump campaign is implicated in espionage with Russia.

Someone like him just doesn’t pass up on a golden opportunity to be in the Trump Regime.

Seems likely. Giuliani is a highly experienced sleazeball. He very well could see something wrong, something big.

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gocart mozart  Dec 9, 2016 • 1:43:56pm

Giuliani Ponders His Future

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wrenchwench  Dec 9, 2016 • 1:46:34pm

The rate of these tweets is accelerating.

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Arkansawyer  Dec 9, 2016 • 1:46:52pm

re: #171 BeachDem

But this is a tale told by an idiot, signifying nothing.

Let us sit upon the ground and tell sad stories of the death of kings.

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Myron Falwell (no relation)  Dec 9, 2016 • 1:48:32pm

re: #181 Belafon

I don’t think China cares too much about the TPP since it’s goals was to consolidate US partnerships with other Asian countries as an action against growing Chinese influence.

Gotcha. Brain fart.

Still, though … as Trump commits horrible foreign policy disasters … he and his ilk is just asking for trouble. And China can exact pain like none other, from finances and beyond.

That would also include going against the United States in the event of war, be it here or elsewhere.

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Belafon  Dec 9, 2016 • 1:49:13pm

re: #189 Myron Falwell (no relation)

I agree with the other two points you made for sure.

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Shiplord Kirel  Dec 9, 2016 • 1:49:47pm

Note: John and Annie Glenn had been married 73 years, since April 6th, 1943. Annie is a year older than John.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 9, 2016 • 1:50:50pm

The thing to realize about Trump’s appointment of Generals and Billionaires to his cabinet is that while it is ACTUALLY elitist, his supporters won’t see it as elitist, because they consider Generals and Billionaires to be their natural rulers. They WANT to be ruled by them. They worship the military, and they worship the rich.

What they hate is being governed by people they THINK OF as ‘elites’ - they guys who did better than they did in school, or who went on to college and beyond to learn about things. They take “If you’re so smart, why aren’t you rich?” to heart.

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Rocky-in-Connecticut  Dec 9, 2016 • 1:56:24pm

re: #128 Charles Johnson

I think this is the first official anti-Science purge this country has ever had. The Scopes Monkey era wasn’t a centrally-planned attack on science but rather a generalized attack by local trials here and there. Nothing compared to an actual President of the United States personally initiating a Witch Hunt on a particular branch of scientific research. This is truly terrifying at a fundamental level. It is now official that non-scientists get to determine what is and what is not actual real life science, and actively punish those for their activity in this science.

We have now officially joined the ranks amongst authoritarian cesspools from medieval Papal rule to modern Russia. Science is now the enemy of our incoming government. And fully 35% or so of our total population applauds and claps with joy about it.

This is beyond scary at this point.

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Myron Falwell (no relation)  Dec 9, 2016 • 1:56:39pm

re: #184 Shiplord Kirel

Seems likely. Giuliani is a highly experienced sleazeball. He very well could see something wrong, something big.

Remember that Rudy teased the Comey announcement on Fox mere days before it was made.

There’s smoke in them hills.

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CuriousLurker  Dec 9, 2016 • 2:00:18pm

re: #191 Shiplord Kirel

I was just thinking of you about an hour ago. This is not quite in your neck of the woods, but it’s on the way (Waco area):

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Myron Falwell (no relation)  Dec 9, 2016 • 2:03:40pm

From Salon the Friday before the election:
Rudy Giuliani is now openly boasting that the Trump campaign got advance notice of James Comey’s letter

And now Rudy declines the SOS job - offered to him on a goddam silver platter - mere hours after President Obama’s announcement demanding an investigation into possible Russian tampering. On a Friday night, no less.

JFC.

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Scottishdragon  Dec 9, 2016 • 2:05:45pm

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b.d.  Dec 9, 2016 • 2:09:20pm

LOL, works for me…

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Joe Bacon  Dec 9, 2016 • 2:09:43pm

re: #196 Myron Falwell (no relation)

From Salon the Friday before the election:
Rudy Giuliani is now openly boasting that the Trump campaign got advance notice of James Comey’s letter

And now Rudy declines the SOS job - offered to him on a goddam silver platter - mere hours after President Obama’s announcement demanding an investigation into possible Russian tampering. On a Friday night, no less.

JFC.

I’m wondering why Red Button’s “HI-Ho” song is playing in my head

Strange things are happening…

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Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 9, 2016 • 2:09:54pm

Happy 100th birthday to Kirk Douglas! Nice to know a few good things happened in 2016.

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Barefoot Grin  Dec 9, 2016 • 2:12:48pm

re: #198 b.d.

LOL, works for me…

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Myron Falwell (no relation)  Dec 9, 2016 • 2:14:47pm

re: #198 b.d.

That tactic didn’t work for Ben Carson, though.

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CuriousLurker  Dec 9, 2016 • 2:23:31pm

Also this—pissed me off. Flat-out straw man bullshit, from the LA Times op-ed article linked to in the tweet below:

President Obama on Tuesday delivered his final defense of the nation’s counter-terrorism strategy. He rightfully claimed progress on a number of fronts, including the death of Osama bin Laden, an end to waterboarding and the effective use of drones to kill terrorists. Just one week after the Islamic State-inspired attack in Columbus, Ohio, he also reiterated that there is no “war between the United States and Islam.” Islamic State and Al Qaeda, he said, do not speak for Muslims everywhere.

To me and many of my former colleagues at the Central Intelligence Agency, such pronouncements reflect Obama’s greatest blind spot in his fight against terrorism: he has been unwilling to acknowledge that Islamic ideology plays a role in what motivates terrorists to strike. Meanwhile, men like Imam Bujar Hysa, a jailed cleric in Albania, frame the war on terrorism quite succinctly: “Islam can coexist with other religions, but with democracy? No!” […]

That’s NOT what he said, asshole. In fact, if you go back to your own opening effing paragraph he said exactly what you’re claiming below in the next to the last one. WTF? Are you so stupid you can’t see that, or do you think we are?

Are we at war with the whole of Islam, or should we be? Of course not. But Islam is a faith in crisis, and to deny that certain strains of the religion are contributing to global instability is to deny reality.

After eight years as president, Obama still doesn’t understand that.

Show me where in the hell POTUS said what you claim. You CAN’T because he DIDN’T. I freaking HATE their lying right to our faces like that. If he’s a Democrat, then I’m the Queen of merry effing England.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 9, 2016 • 2:25:27pm
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CuriousLurker  Dec 9, 2016 • 2:28:17pm

re: #197 Scottishdragon

I am on the list. The GOP school board guy who threatened my job will be in his position soon.

Most of us here are would land on one or the other of their purported lists. Fuck ‘em, I refuse to be terrified. I’m so furious I could spit.

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electrotek  Dec 9, 2016 • 2:29:46pm

re: #205 Backwoods_Sleuth

Facepalm

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Myron Falwell (no relation)  Dec 9, 2016 • 2:32:40pm

re: #199 Joe Bacon

I’m wondering why Red Button’s “HI-Ho” song is playing in my head

Strange things are happening…

Are they ever… yikes.

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wrenchwench  Dec 9, 2016 • 2:34:41pm

re: #204 CuriousLurker

Also this—pissed me off. Flat-out straw man bullshit, from the LA Times op-ed article linked to in the tweet:

That’s NOT what he said, asshole. In fact. if you back to your own opening effing paragraph he said exactly what you’re claiming below in the next to the last one. WTF? Are you so stupid you can’t see that, or do you think we are?

Show me where in the hell POTUS said what you claim. You CAN’T because he DIDN’T. I freaking HATE their lying right to our faces like that. If he’s a Democrat, then I’m the Queen of merry effing England.

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gocart mozart  Dec 9, 2016 • 2:35:39pm
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electrotek  Dec 9, 2016 • 2:35:45pm

re: #209 wrenchwench

LA Times can go to hell for giving that man a forum.

Who is Bryan Dean Wright anyways???

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William Lewis  Dec 9, 2016 • 2:36:49pm

re: #164 Romantic Heretic

Canada only has Leopard Is I’m afraid. Ours is meant to be a ‘peacekeeping force’ rather than a ‘war fighting force’.

Such an attack would be from Central America anyway since if it gets that bad I’m Canada and Mexico will be conquered by then.

Taking Wiki for what it’s worth…

Canada: The Canadian Army acquired 80 Leopard 2A4 and 20 Leopard 2A6 tanks from the Netherlands in 2007. Twenty Leopard 2A6M were borrowed from the German Army beginning in mid-2007 to support the Canadian deployment in Afghanistan,[113] with the first tank handed over after upgrading by KMW on August 2, 2007,[115][133] and arriving in Afghanistan on August 16, 2007.[117] Two Bergepanzer 3 Büffel were purchased from the German Army for use with the Canadian deployment in Afghanistan.[134] An additional fifteen Leopard 2A4 tanks were purchased from the German Army as Logistic Supply Vehicles (for spare parts).[135] A further 12 surplus Pz 87 were purchased from Switzerland in 2011 for conversion to armoured recovery vehicles.[136] A final total of 112 tanks of all variants is to be fielded by the Canadian Army: 82 gun tanks (42 2A4+, 20 2A4M CAN and 20 2A6M CAN - all delivered as of March 2016), 12 ARVs (11 of 12 delivered as of March 2016) and 18 AEVs (conversion of which is ongoing)

But more seriously, the bigger problem would be which side the A-10 pilots came down on because maybe, and only maybe, the only tank that can stand up to them is the T-14 Armata prototype.

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gocart mozart  Dec 9, 2016 • 2:37:16pm
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Arkansawyer  Dec 9, 2016 • 2:40:48pm

re: #213 William Lewis

Taking Wiki for what it’s worth…

But more seriously, the bigger problem would be which side the A-10 pilots came down on because maybe, and only maybe, the only tank that can stand up to them is the T-14 Armata prototype.

One of the coolest things I’ve ever seen was a pair of A-10s flying low over Beaver Lake in northwest AR. I wanted to fly them when I was younger, so I was thrilled. They were so low it seemed like I could hit them if I threw a rock.

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Belafon  Dec 9, 2016 • 2:40:50pm

re: #195 CuriousLurker

I was just thinking of you about an hour ago. This is not quite in your neck of the woods, but it’s on the way (Waco area):

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The is an attempt to put churches that are helping refugees on the defensive. Some of the churches here in Texas stood up to Abbott’s attempt to block refugees from coming here.

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gocart mozart  Dec 9, 2016 • 2:41:00pm

Someone thinks I’m wicked smaat.

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Unshaken Defiance  Dec 9, 2016 • 2:41:34pm
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Scottishdragon  Dec 9, 2016 • 2:41:56pm

re: #164 Romantic Heretic

Canada only has Leopard Is I’m afraid. Ours is meant to be a ‘peacekeeping force’ rather than a ‘war fighting force’.

Such an attack would be from Central America anyway since if it gets that bad I’m Canada and Mexico will be conquered by then.

What’s the matter with the Leopard MBT? The Leopard 1A4 is fine for anything short of fighting brand new Russian AFV’s and the Leopard 2 is in the same class as the M1A1 Abrams. Current upgrades probably make it equal to the M1A2 block.

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Unshaken Defiance  Dec 9, 2016 • 2:42:14pm

re: #218 gocart mozart

Someone thinks I’m wicked smaat.

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Like this graphic too

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 9, 2016 • 2:42:15pm
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I am still laughing.

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gocart mozart  Dec 9, 2016 • 2:43:50pm
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baileylamb  Dec 9, 2016 • 2:45:08pm

There goes Florida. I hope the Green Party is proud of itself. Has anyone interviewed Stein, or any of the Green Party bigwigs?

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CuriousLurker  Dec 9, 2016 • 2:45:37pm

re: #217 Belafon

The is an attempt to put churches that are helping refugees on the defensive. Some of the churches here in Texas stood up to Abbott’s attempt to block refugees from coming here.

Yes, that much was readily apparent.

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CriticalDragon1177  Dec 9, 2016 • 2:47:34pm

Just the type of creature that will thrive in Trump’s America!

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Belafon  Dec 9, 2016 • 2:49:49pm

Tonight I will call my Congresspeople and tell them to stop Trump’s use of the questionnaire.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 9, 2016 • 2:50:44pm

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Shocking as in “I’m shocked - shocked! - to find gambling going on here!”? Because it surprises me not in the least.

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Rocky-in-Connecticut  Dec 9, 2016 • 2:52:43pm

..next will be turning the ATF into not an enforcement agency , but a marketing and promotional one.

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Unshaken Defiance  Dec 9, 2016 • 2:52:52pm

Charles W. Caldwell for head of Alchohol, Tobacco and Firearms.

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Charles Johnson  Dec 9, 2016 • 2:52:56pm
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Belafon  Dec 9, 2016 • 2:53:28pm
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Myron Falwell (no relation)  Dec 9, 2016 • 2:55:06pm

re: #231 Rocky-in-Connecticut

..next will be turning the ATF into not an enforcement agency , but a marketing and promotional one.

A subsidiary of the NRA.

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Unshaken Defiance  Dec 9, 2016 • 2:55:15pm

re: #231 Rocky-in-Connecticut

..next will be turning the ATF into not an enforcement agency , but a marketing and promotional one.

I used to roll with this shirt at big shooting matches. It had the ATF logo and then If you bring Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms, I’ll bring the chips.

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Rocky-in-Connecticut  Dec 9, 2016 • 2:56:42pm

re: #234 Belafon

Hopeless argument. merely triggers a knee-jerk reflex to “beware of false prophets” failsafe warning mode among the deplorables. They have their Bibilical talking points down to an anti-science.

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Unshaken Defiance  Dec 9, 2016 • 2:59:49pm

re: #206 CuriousLurker

, I refuse to be terrified.

This, this forever.
If they get lawyers I’ll trust the law and get my own. If they hate blog I can smart blog. If they get loud I can yell with the best. If they get violent it will be only very very briefly.

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Belafon  Dec 9, 2016 • 3:00:55pm

re: #238 Rocky-in-Connecticut

Hopeless argument. merely triggers a knee-jerk reflex to “beware of false prophets” failsafe warning mode among the deplorables. They have their Bibilical talking points down to an anti-science.

True, but the counterargument is that there was a lot of trouble that came from not listening to the prophets.

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CuriousLurker  Dec 9, 2016 • 3:02:29pm

re: #209 wrenchwench

LA Times can go to hell for giving that man a forum.

The other part that pissed me off was this:

Islamic State and Al Qaeda are terrorist groups built on Wahhabi ideology. They want to govern the world under sharia law, and they are more than willing to achieve their goals through force. Islamic State is known for beheading its victims or burning them alive. And as we saw in Columbus, they’re inspiring legions of supporters.

Legions? Really? Then why aren’t we seeing attacks every-fricking-day, FFS? There are at least a couple of million Muslims in the U.S. “Legions” clearly doesn’t mean what he thinks it means. Effing scare-mongers.

Da’esh is hiding under your bed—be very afraid!
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BeachDem  Dec 9, 2016 • 3:04:51pm

re: #222 Backwoods_Sleuth

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I am still laughing.

I am still dreaming of my plan for all the actual talented performers, who are all Dems, plan a charity concert somewhere else at the same time as the inauguration and see which event the networks cover—they’ve all said it’s all about ratings and money, right?

So what would be the bigger draw? Katie Perry, Bruce Springsteen, Bon Jovi, Mary J. Blige, Bey, James Taylor, etc. etc. or the vulgar talking yam (with a side of Scott Baio?)

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William Lewis  Dec 9, 2016 • 3:07:16pm

re: #206 CuriousLurker

Most of us here are on one of the other of their purported lists. Fuck ‘em, I refuse to be terrified. I’m so furious I could spit.

Oh, I have no doubt I’m already on a watch list as well. DSA member & calling openly for resistance to the fascists? Yep.

Never again. To anyone.

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wrenchwench  Dec 9, 2016 • 3:08:37pm

re: #242 CuriousLurker

The other part that pissed me off was this:

Legions? Really? Then why aren’t we seeing attacks every-fricking-day, FFS? There are at least a couple of million Muslims in the U.S. “Legions” clearly doesn’t mean what he thinks it means. Effing scare-mongers.

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Makes me ashamed that they published a letter I wrote them in 1970.

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William Lewis  Dec 9, 2016 • 3:09:04pm

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CuriousLurker  Dec 9, 2016 • 3:13:41pm

re: #242 CuriousLurker

Okay, mental health break before I go do my timesheet for the week.

Monsters Inc Boo’s Introduction

Later, lizards.

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Myron Falwell (no relation)  Dec 9, 2016 • 3:17:50pm

re: #238 Rocky-in-Connecticut

Hopeless argument. merely triggers a knee-jerk reflex to “beware of false prophets” failsafe warning mode among the deplorables. They have their Bibilical talking points down to an anti-science.

It’s funny because the Evangelicals effectively fell for a false prophet in Trump.

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William Lewis  Dec 9, 2016 • 3:18:01pm

Hmm. Don’t know this “National Post” though the authorship is attributed to The Telegraph. Interesting article though about a nation with even more to fear from Putin that we do:

fearing it could be putins next target estonia prepares for guerrilla warfare with russia that could usher in wwiii

Kaidi Peterkop doesn’t think of herself as a solider. And with her studies and her recent move to Tallinn, Estonia’s picturesque capital, the 22-year old student certainly doesn’t have much time to think about a Third World War.

But Peterkop — with her training in small unit tactics, vehicle identification, and battlefield medicine — is one of thousands of unlikely volunteers who have answered the call to duty in response to a confrontation that NATO generals fear could lead to war with Russia.

“Of course we think about it,” said Peterkop, a volunteer in the Estonian Defence League, the country’s equivalent of Britain’s Territorial Army, a crucial element of this tiny country’s deterrent.

“But we don’t worry about it, because we know what we can do,” she said at a meeting in the group’s Tallinn headquarters.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Dec 9, 2016 • 3:21:33pm

re: #249 William Lewis

The thing about guerrilla warefare, it only works if there are people left…

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William Lewis  Dec 9, 2016 • 3:23:58pm

re: #250 GlutenFreeJesus

The thing about guerrilla warefare, it only works if there are people left…

Also requires a third party, preferably at least as powerful as the invader, to provide supplies. The only successful insurgencies of the past hundred years have had that. Otherwise they’re just speed bumps.

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Unshaken Defiance  Dec 9, 2016 • 3:25:52pm

re: #242 CuriousLurker

The other part that pissed me off was this:

Legions? Really? Then why aren’t we seeing attacks every-fricking-day, FFS? There are at least a couple of million Muslims in the U.S. “Legions” clearly doesn’t mean what he thinks it means. Effing scare-mongers.

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He should have said legend not legion. As in mythical.

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Myron Falwell (no relation)  Dec 9, 2016 • 3:27:59pm

re: #251 William Lewis

Also requires a third party, preferably at least as powerful as the invader, to provide supplies. The only successful insurgencies of the past hundred years have had that. Otherwise they’re just speed bumps.

Oh hai China!

In all seriousness, China isn’t going to sit back and let Putin just take over everything. They’ll want to get a piece of the action.

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You know who ELSE was confident in his actions?
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